| 00:00:14 | Bagder | now unregret! ;-) |
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| 00:01:10 | linuxstb_ | There's still the PP5002... |
| 00:01:35 | linuxstb_ | I wonder how many seconds per frame the 3g needs... |
| 00:01:39 | amiconn | Taking the function out of iram increases boost ratio by 1% |
| 00:02:23 | amiconn | (49%->50%, same album of course) |
| 00:02:54 | linuxstb_ | Sounds like the real solution will be to build libmad separately for mpegplayer - we'll probably want to start using IRAM for libmpeg2 anyway, balancing it with libmad. |
| 00:03:27 | preglow | oh yes |
| 00:03:32 | preglow | for sure |
| 00:03:33 | amiconn | true |
| 00:03:43 | amiconn | ...and perhaps also differencing by target |
| 00:03:48 | preglow | but cmon, you've gotta have loadable codecs :> |
| 00:04:01 | amiconn | Mini G2 and Sansa can use more iram than the other pp targets |
| 00:04:12 | * | preglow jumps behind a rock |
| 00:04:20 | amiconn | ? |
| 00:04:26 | * | amiconn doesn't understand |
| 00:04:40 | amiconn | What does that have to do with iram usage |
| 00:04:41 | amiconn | ? |
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| 00:05:10 | preglow | just the fact that balancing iram usage between every codec and libmpeg2 will be hell |
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| 00:05:19 | amiconn | linuxstb: Hmm, couldn't we use the same technique as for main codec and voice codec in mpegplayer? |
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| 00:05:57 | linuxstb_ | On single core targets, yes. But I don't think it makes sense on PP. |
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| 00:09:15 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The .h files in target tree should always be named *-target.h |
| 00:09:28 | amiconn | (referring to the one for gigabeat) |
| 00:10:28 | amiconn | If there is more than one xyz-target.h in the path for a target, the more specific one will be used |
| 00:11:19 | jhMikeS | the problem is the duplication with holding that rule holy |
| 00:11:53 | amiconn | And not all PPs are register compatible, only the PP502x ones are. The PP5002 is different |
| 00:12:01 | jhMikeS | it means I have to duplicate stuff that's shared at multiple levels |
| 00:12:24 | amiconn | Yes, some duplication happens in target tree |
| 00:12:44 | jhMikeS | urgh...so much easier to have a master file and a specific file |
| 00:13:09 | amiconn | Still better than excessive ifdefing... |
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| 00:14:51 | jhMikeS | what's considered excessive? there's hardly any and it could be limited to just the more specific header actually |
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| 00:16:03 | preglow | duplication is one of the worst things, imho |
| 00:16:10 | preglow | it should be avoided by all means |
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| 00:16:40 | preglow | jhMikeS: any work on the low latency dsp stuff, btw? |
| 00:17:25 | * | linuxstb_ works on build libmad separately for mpegplayer |
| 00:17:32 | linuxstb_ | ^building |
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| 00:19:54 | jhMikeS | preglow: yes...did some. working this mpegplayer thing may give me more ideas about it |
| 00:20:35 | MxxCon | hey folks is there any major features missing from toshiba gigabeat F firmware? |
| 00:20:45 | preglow | jhMikeS: no rush, just wondering if you had any more great ideas, heh |
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| 00:21:55 | jhMikeS | I mean if I can't convince anyone to refine how target/ works in order to avoid pasting in identical routines that can be used on all the cpus in a particular cpu branch, then, ok but imho it's a bit more of a maintenence nightmare than just including a more specific file within the target header. |
| 00:22:01 | Llorean | MxxCon: Rockbox works pretty much identically across all players, except where either the hardware doesn't allow it or we don't have a driver for a piece of hardware yet. |
| 00:22:02 | markun | MxxCon: the original firmware or rockbox? |
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| 00:22:07 | markun | and in what way missing? |
| 00:22:20 | MxxCon | rockbox missing vs original |
| 00:22:27 | markun | MxxCon: WMA |
| 00:22:38 | MxxCon | good, don't care for that ;) |
| 00:22:44 | amiconn | jhMikeS: You could do it the other way round, then the names included from outside target tree would be fixed |
| 00:23:07 | markun | and transfering files from a USB stick / camera without a computer doesn't work either |
| 00:23:37 | amiconn | I.e. call the most specific file xyz-target.h, and let it e.g. include a more general xyz-arm.h |
| 00:23:53 | MxxCon | markun, how likely is that to be implemented in the future? |
| 00:24:12 | markun | MxxCon: the interface looks less polished at first sight, but overall rockbox is way better if I may say so |
| 00:24:13 | jhMikeS | amiconn: true...isn't that just semantics? :) |
| 00:24:19 | markun | MxxCon: quite likely |
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| 00:24:34 | markun | as someone is being payed this summer to write a USB stack for rockbox |
| 00:24:39 | amiconn | jhMikeS: No, it saves ifdefing #include statements |
| 00:24:58 | jhMikeS | if that will be satisfactory then yeah, why not...and true it does that |
| 00:25:01 | MxxCon | google summer of code? |
| 00:25:06 | markun | yes |
| 00:25:12 | MxxCon | nice |
| 00:25:15 | amiconn | One specific file would always include the same more general one, so no ifdefing, and the firmware code outside target tree would always include the -target version, so no ifdefing here as well |
| 00:25:19 | markun | MxxCon: why are you asking all this? Are you planning to buy a Gigabeat? |
| 00:25:25 | MxxCon | indeed |
| 00:25:34 | MxxCon | officedepot has 40gig model for $90 |
| 00:25:45 | markun | I think they are sold out |
| 00:25:46 | jhMikeS | yeah, that is better...doh...shoulda thought of it myself! :P |
| 00:25:56 | markun | 4000 players in 1 day I was told |
| 00:25:57 | l2eM1x | 40 gig gigabeat for 90$$$?!?! |
| 00:26:08 | MxxCon | http://www.officedepot.com/ddSKU.do?level=SK&id=734578&Ntt=toshiba%20gigabeat&uniqueSearchFlag=true&An=text |
| 00:26:14 | markun | l2eM1x: yes, but you are too late :) |
| 00:26:21 | MxxCon | shows in stock here.. |
| 00:26:23 | jhMikeS | ok, easy shuffle around to do |
| 00:26:28 | markun | MxxCon: try to order onw |
| 00:26:37 | markun | then they are not in stock anymore |
| 00:26:38 | l2eM1x | is there a known bug with uisimulator that the lines are not accurate to the actual player |
| 00:26:42 | MxxCon | dang |
| 00:26:48 | MxxCon | :( |
| 00:26:49 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Heh, I didn't have that idea earlier either; there are probably some places in target/sh/archos/ and target/coldfire/ where duplication could be reduced |
| 00:26:55 | markun | or maybe they are, try it |
| 00:26:59 | MxxCon | nope |
| 00:27:14 | markun | it would be nice if they found another 4000 somewhere :) |
| 00:27:19 | Llorean | markun: They aren't only not in stock, but if you ordered one while they were, chances are your order won't be filled. |
| 00:27:27 | markun | wow |
| 00:27:29 | toffe82 | I have one to sell :) |
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| 00:27:40 | Llorean | I ordered one wed, and they just left it in "processing" until I called and found out that they weren't *ever* going to be able to ship it (according to them) |
| 00:27:57 | markun | incredible that a out-of-production DAP which was never very popular sells so well now.. |
| 00:28:00 | Llorean | Of course, they couldn't just cancel the order and send a polite email, I had to call and find out manually. |
| 00:28:15 | * | Llorean wanted another 40gb of storage, and wouldn't have minded it with a screen. |
| 00:28:15 | Bagder | markun: at 90USD I'm not surprised |
| 00:28:17 | grndslm | tons of people are complaining on head-fi.org today that they will not be receiving their gigabeat! :-( |
| 00:28:29 | markun | Bagder: true :) |
| 00:28:34 | jhMikeS | another thing id like to know is if the PP bootloaders depend in any way could depend on the cpu core array order in the scheduler in the rb core |
| 00:28:35 | toffe82 | nobody want to buy mine ;) |
| 00:28:40 | grndslm | nope |
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| 00:28:44 | grndslm | is it new? |
| 00:28:51 | toffe82 | loks new |
| 00:28:55 | toffe82 | looks |
| 00:28:58 | markun | toffe82: I want to buy one of your X60s :) |
| 00:29:03 | grndslm | hah...no gracias, i don't trust hard drives as it is... |
| 00:29:05 | toffe82 | :) |
| 00:29:05 | markun | when you finally get them |
| 00:29:24 | MxxCon | oh, maybe you guys can help me w/ my other mp3 player? |
| 00:29:25 | * | jhMikeS 's toffe82 special is chugging along just fine :) |
| 00:29:42 | MxxCon | it's one of those no-name chinese "mp4" players.. |
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| 00:29:59 | markun | MxxCon: help you in what way? |
| 00:30:00 | grndslm | oh...how is the sound quality on those, btw? |
| 00:30:02 | toffe82 | hard dirve is like everything else can work one day or 10 years |
| 00:30:19 | MxxCon | find out who made it and possibly fix some bugs? :) |
| 00:30:21 | grndslm | i want one of those mp4 8gb nano ripoffs...if they sound ok of course |
| 00:30:34 | MxxCon | this one looks more like a camera.. |
| 00:30:54 | Llorean | This isn't really the channel for discussing non-Rockbox related devices. |
| 00:30:55 | grndslm | hmm...does it sound good? |
| 00:31:16 | Llorean | Most of the people working on the various chinese knockoffs seem to center around the s1mp3 project |
| 00:31:21 | MxxCon | i'd love rockbox to be compatible w/ that device :) |
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| 00:31:36 | Llorean | MxxCon: Feel free to start working on it then. |
| 00:31:45 | Llorean | Ports happen when those who want it, do it. :) |
| 00:31:53 | MxxCon | it has a cellphone quality camera, fm radio, can record/playback video, has video out, even lyrics support |
| 00:32:26 | MxxCon | but bloody thing doesn't support directories and shows only unsorted 8.3 filenames |
| 00:34:29 | grndslm | MxxCon: and the sound quality? |
| 00:34:30 | kkurbjun | toffe82, do you have any black shell for the gigabeat that you want to sell? I want to convert my silver case to a half silver, half black. |
| 00:34:50 | MxxCon | barely acceptable |
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| 00:35:05 | grndslm | wow...what else did i expect to hear? |
| 00:35:10 | Llorean | grndslm, MxxCon: Seriously, if you're not actually planning on working on this, and just discussing players, you can take it to PM. |
| 00:35:10 | MxxCon | hehe |
| 00:35:18 | grndslm | i just had one question |
| 00:35:26 | grndslm | no mas, senor! |
| 00:36:17 | toffe82 | kkurbjun: I have to check , I might have one but I am not sure of the transparent windows , if there are scratch or not |
| 00:36:39 | kkurbjun | can you move the window with the rest of the internals? |
| 00:36:51 | toffe82 | kkurbjun: ? |
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| 00:37:47 | kkurbjun | you said the window may be scratched right? Is it fixed to the shell, or can I pull it off my silver case and put it on the black? Looking at it I'm guessing it's glued though |
| 00:37:51 | toffe82 | kkurbjun: the front case is in 2 parts, the outside frame and the inside which is glued with double face tape |
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| 00:39:38 | toffe82 | kkurbjun: I have to check but on some model (F10) the windows cover all the inside and on the F20 and F40 , the window is just the size of the lcd |
| 00:40:25 | toffe82 | kkurbjun: perhaps I misunderstand, you want to change the outside or the inside |
| 00:40:26 | kkurbjun | ahh, I didn't realize. Well let me know if you have a case that you can/will part with. I'd be interested. |
| 00:40:32 | kkurbjun | the outside |
| 00:41:10 | kkurbjun | so the outside front face, the sides, top and bottom that are sliver to black |
| 00:41:19 | toffe82 | kkurbjun: just the top case or the side also, the back doesn't exist for the F40 in black |
| 00:41:41 | toffe82 | kkurbjun: do you want a black croos too ? |
| 00:41:47 | toffe82 | cross^^ |
| 00:41:52 | markun | toffe82: which colour is the X60? |
| 00:42:10 | toffe82 | black I think |
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| 00:42:16 | kkurbjun | as I understand you can't fit the back.. yes, the cross would be nice. with the black sides fit? |
| 00:42:31 | toffe82 | yes |
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| 00:42:57 | kkurbjun | ok, that's what I'm interested in doing, top, bottom, sides and front with the cross if possible |
| 00:43:13 | kkurbjun | If not I may just buy a broken one on ebay |
| 00:43:13 | toffe82 | you have a F40 ? |
| 00:43:16 | markun | toffe82's pimp my DAP shop |
| 00:43:22 | kkurbjun | : ) |
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| 00:43:23 | toffe82 | :) |
| 00:43:28 | kkurbjun | yes, I have an F40 |
| 00:43:41 | toffe82 | so you have to keep the silver back |
| 00:45:05 | toffe82 | kkurbjun: I will ook tonight, but the main problem will bet the top and bottom clip, I often get then broken so I don't know now |
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| 00:47:28 | kkurbjun | toffe82, thanks for checking, if you hav ethparts it would be great, otherwise I may just buy a broken one on ebay |
| 00:47:48 | kkurbjun | good luck on that X by the way |
| 00:48:25 | toffe82 | 1 1/2 hour to go ;) |
| 00:48:33 | toffe82 | I still win |
| 00:48:53 | kkurbjun | :) |
| 00:50:54 | kkurbjun | toffe82, if you find that you have the parts tonight email me and let me know. I will have access to email, but it's unlikely that I'll be on freenode. |
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| 00:51:52 | * | jhMikeS wonders why there's no x5 parts broker around here |
| 00:52:41 | toffe82 | kkurbjun: ok |
| 00:55:36 | markun | Wow, a pretty sick DAP from Cowon: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2007/04/cowon-q5-pmp-packed-with-connectivity.php |
| 00:55:57 | jhMikeS | >:[ |
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| 01:00:02 | markun | well, not really a DAP |
| 01:00:11 | linuxstb_ | I was about to say that... |
| 01:01:18 | linuxstb_ | A 5" 800x600 screen with Windows CE is hardly a DAP. |
| 01:01:28 | linuxstb_ | Sorry, 800x480. |
| 01:01:32 | jhMikeS | well, it's Cowon anyway :_| |
| 01:01:32 | markun | indeed not |
| 01:01:46 | Llorean | It's basically a PDA with an HD. |
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| 01:04:54 | DerPapst | linuxstb: would a −−fix-checksum option useful for ipodpatcher (useful if e.g. the firmware gets hexedited or something like that) |
| 01:05:15 | DerPapst | *be useful |
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| 01:06:40 | linuxstb_ | Why would a firmware get hex edited? But I guess it wouldn't hurt... |
| 01:09:21 | DerPapst | for various reasons ;) e.g. string replacement or ... other stuff... ;-) Actually i've made one and it worked for me. but i'm pretty sure it's not very... accurate (don't know a better word) |
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| 01:10:19 | DerPapst | if you are interested in it i can make a patch. |
| 01:10:26 | linuxstb_ | Can't you just do something like read-firmware-binary followed by write-firmware-binary ? |
| 01:10:57 | Llorean | Couldn't the editing program (I assume iPodWizard) rewrite the checksum? |
| 01:11:06 | DerPapst | mmhh... not tired. |
| 01:11:26 | DerPapst | i've not used iPodWizard. |
| 01:11:28 | linuxstb_ | ipodpatcher's main focus is installing Rockbox, so I'm not "interested" in it as such. But I don't mind comitting patches like that - as long as they don't interefere with the core purpose. |
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| 01:12:07 | DerPapst | true. i just thought i ask you about it. |
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| 01:13:44 | linuxstb_ | The read/write binary options don't include a checksum, so ipodpatcher will calculate a checksum when you write the modified firmware back. It's possibly missing the read-firmware-binary option though. |
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| 01:16:51 | DerPapst | yeah.. -rf doesn't include that checksum either doesn't it? |
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| 01:18:23 | linuxstb_ | rf will include the Rockbox ".ipod" header - with a checksum. |
| 01:18:31 | linuxstb_ | So an rfb option could be added... |
| 01:19:26 | DerPapst | but -rf only includes the checksum in the .ipod header not the one the apple bootloader checks in the first place |
| 01:20:48 | linuxstb_ | Yes. But ipodpatcher will create the apple-format checksum when writing the firmware back. |
| 01:21:05 | DerPapst | ok. then i understood it correctly :) |
| 01:22:08 | kkurbjun | markun, did you comment this disassembly? |
| 01:22:21 | kkurbjun | that you linked to me earlier? |
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| 01:23:18 | DerPapst | linuxstb: are you going to implement -rfb? if not i could do it and then send you the patch. but is so it'll take a few days (not much time the next 4 days) |
| 01:23:37 | DerPapst | s/is/if |
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| 01:25:21 | linuxstb_ | DerPapst: Yes, just testing it now... |
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| 01:27:15 | DerPapst | ok :) |
| 01:28:37 | linuxstb_ | Committed. |
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| 01:29:39 | DerPapst | cool :D |
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| 01:41:17 | amiconn | The old-menu wrapper has a one-off bug somewhere |
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| 01:41:32 | amiconn | It's clearly noticeable in the debug menu (which uses the old system in svn) |
| 01:41:48 | amiconn | s/one-off/off by one/ |
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| 01:44:57 | DerPapst | linuxstb: this is my (now a little obsolete) −−fix-checksum patch. i case you might want to look at it. http://web.inf.tu-dresden.de/~s5242253/iPL/Loader/ipodpatcher/fix-chksum.diff |
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| 01:56:17 | linuxstb_ | DerPapst: Thanks, but I don't think it's useful enough to commit. |
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| 02:02:51 | DerPapst | ok |
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| 02:03:28 | austriancoder | some sansa owner here? |
| 02:04:09 | Llorean | austriancoder: Yes |
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| 02:04:39 | austriancoder | Llorean: time to test a little patch? |
| 02:04:46 | Llorean | austriancoder: Sure |
| 02:06:41 | linuxstb_ | USB support? :) |
| 02:07:00 | Llorean | "get_it__louder_try" |
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| 02:07:54 | Llorean | austriancoder: Booting vmware now, it's a bit slow as I'm very multitasking at the moment |
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| 02:08:32 | austriancoder | Llorean: i haved changed the way we set the volume. Headphone vol is set to a default and we regulate now dac volume, because it has a bigger gain value |
| 02:08:37 | austriancoder | Llorean: i have time :) |
| 02:09:29 | austriancoder | Llorean: oh.. and there are some parts of not working recording in the patch - I was too lazy to remove this stuff |
| 02:10:47 | austriancoder | can somebody name a tool for linux to compare the sounds of two firmwares? |
| 02:12:01 | Llorean | austriancoder: Is there a version of RMAA for Linux? |
| 02:12:30 | austriancoder | RMAA... never heard of it.. will google it |
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| 02:16:50 | saratoga | RMAA would probably run under wine, at least well enough to use it to compare prerecorded files |
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| 02:27:00 | Llorean | austriancoder: It's louder, but there are some problems with it. There's sorta a tinny quality to the sound, I'm not sure about. And the volume adjustment only seems to affect the right channel. |
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| 02:27:58 | Llorean | austriancoder: But it sounds quite close to the volume levels on my Gigabeat. |
| 02:28:07 | Llorean | And I'm not 100% sure about the tinniness, it may just be this song. |
| 02:29:08 | austriancoder | Llorean: cool :) RMAA shows that both channels are changed.. |
| 02:29:16 | Llorean | Hm, no, theres definitely some issues. |
| 02:29:28 | Llorean | Well, I'm not hearing increased volume in my left ear. |
| 02:29:59 | austriancoder | hmm.. i have no headphones at the moment.. |
| 02:30:06 | * | austriancoder is searching |
| 02:30:14 | Llorean | Let me try an official build on it |
| 02:30:26 | Llorean | make sure my Sansa hasn't just given up |
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| 02:33:11 | Llorean | austriancoder: Yes, reverting back to SVN the problem with it being in just one ear is gone. |
| 02:33:19 | Llorean | Let me revert back to your build again, just to be sure. |
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| 02:35:57 | Llorean | austriancoder: Okay, now it's adjusting both ears fine. |
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| 02:36:29 | Llorean | austriancoder: The Sansas seem to have some issues across reboots that are quite odd occasionally |
| 02:37:15 | austriancoder | Llorean: shall i commit my changes? |
| 02:37:15 | Llorean | It's still quite a bit quieter than the Gigabeat, but other than that sounds fine. |
| 02:37:28 | Llorean | And it's definitely louder than it was before |
| 02:38:58 | Llorean | I think as long as you call it an improvement, so it's clear it might not quite be done yet, yeah, I'd say this makes the Sansa a lot more listenable (for me at least) |
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| 02:40:00 | austriancoder | Later we can commit http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6908 mybe |
| 02:40:05 | austriancoder | maybe |
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| 02:42:38 | Llorean | austriancoder: That one seems to work well for me, though I didn't experience the audio glitches during my brief test with your patch. |
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| 02:43:29 | austriancoder | Llorean: but some channel switching?! |
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| 02:46:48 | NeedHelpWithSans | hi |
| 02:46:55 | NeedHelpWithSans | hello? |
| 02:47:09 | NeedHelpWithSans | can anyone help me? |
| 02:47:24 | saratoga | once you ask a question, maybe |
| 02:47:37 | NeedHelpWithSans | okay |
| 02:47:51 | NeedHelpWithSans | i want to install rockbox onto my sansa e270 |
| 02:47:57 | NeedHelpWithSans | can you help me? |
| 02:48:19 | linuxstb_ | What's the problem? |
| 02:48:25 | NeedHelpWithSans | i dont know howw |
| 02:48:38 | saratoga | you should read the manual until you do know how |
| 02:48:49 | Llorean | austriancoder: I'm not sure what caused that. But I guess that patch could probably help |
| 02:48:58 | NeedHelpWithSans | could you tell me where it is |
| 02:49:01 | Hammer89 | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 |
| 02:49:13 | linuxstb_ | NeedHelpWithSans: Go to http://www.rockbox.org then click on the manual link on the left. |
| 02:49:13 | NeedHelpWithSans | cool thanks |
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| 03:03:50 | courtc | Hello fellow persons. |
| 03:04:01 | capo327 | hello |
| 03:04:09 | austriancoder | hi |
| 03:04:18 | courtc | Is this patch correct? http://web.inf.tu-dresden.de/~s5242253/iPL/Loader/ipodloader2.patch |
| 03:04:57 | Llorean | courtc: That patch has nothing to do with Rockbox. |
| 03:05:18 | Llorean | It's for loader2, so you should be asking them about whether it's correct for their software |
| 03:05:18 | courtc | Sure it does. |
| 03:05:23 | Llorean | It's just loading Rockbox. |
| 03:05:27 | Llorean | But it's a patch for non-Rockbox software. |
| 03:05:34 | courtc | Thanks, but I would be the one applying the patch. |
| 03:05:50 | Llorean | If you mean "is it looking in the right place", well, yes, /.rockbox/rockbox.ipod is where your binary should be now. |
| 03:06:06 | courtc | That's what I needed to know, thanks. |
| 03:06:15 | NeedHelpWithSans | ive installed rockbox onto my sansa |
| 03:06:25 | Llorean | And you didn't know that from simply looking at the contents of the latest rockbox.zip? |
| 03:06:26 | NeedHelpWithSans | how do i load music and stuff onto it |
| 03:06:34 | Llorean | NeedHelpWithSans: Please try reading the manual some more. |
| 03:06:37 | courtc | DerPapst brought it to my attention. I was just verifying. |
| 03:06:46 | linuxstb_ | courtc: Yes, that patch looks fine to me. |
| 03:06:57 | courtc | Should it also be backwards compatible? |
| 03:07:36 | linuxstb_ | The Rockbox bootloader looks in .rockbox first, and then the root, so you could do the same to be consistent. |
| 03:08:01 | courtc | Sounds good, will do. |
| 03:08:05 | courtc | Thanks. |
| 03:08:07 | linuxstb_ | But all new rockbox builds come with the rockbox.ipod file inside the .rockbox folder. |
| 03:08:19 | courtc | Alright. |
| 03:10:11 | Llorean | WTF |
| 03:10:14 | Llorean | My Gigabeat just shipped |
| 03:10:19 | Llorean | The order that they "cancelled" |
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| 03:10:42 | linuxstb_ | courtc: Are you planning a new official release of loader? It's been a while since 2.4. |
| 03:10:49 | linuxstb_ | ^loader2 |
| 03:11:30 | courtc | slowcoder and Tempel have pretty much dropped development as of recently. |
| 03:12:50 | courtc | I'm working on a iPod OS of my own, so I may be able to contribute some fixes back to loader2. I found a couple minro bugs in it and the iPL kernel. |
| 03:13:32 | linuxstb_ | Why another OS? Just for the fun of it? |
| 03:13:38 | courtc | Not really sure in which direction ipodloader2 is aimed though.. |
| 03:14:29 | linuxstb_ | From what I can tell, it's just been bugfixes since 2.4, plus 2048-byte sector support. |
| 03:14:41 | courtc | linuxstb_: Well, as a learning process, debugging, and an attempt to optimize lcd output−−right now it's fairly slow. |
| 03:14:52 | linuxstb_ | I'm not sure what more you can add to a bootloader... |
| 03:15:00 | courtc | Exactly. |
| 03:15:38 | linuxstb_ | Which ipod(s) are you working on? |
| 03:16:17 | courtc | photo currently, for debugging purposes. |
| 03:17:41 | courtc | Once I get it more useful, all color ipods. |
| 03:18:44 | austriancoder | time to go to bed.. god night all |
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| 03:48:01 | webguest15 | my pc wont reconize my device |
| 03:49:15 | webguest15 | can anyone help? |
| 03:50:17 | Llorean | What device? |
| 03:50:57 | grndslm | Llorean: let's say I did wanna start working on e200 support...what would i need to know C & how to write device drivers? what kinda cable would I need to tinker with it? (i am new to programming, but I could try and hack it) |
| 03:51:23 | Llorean | grndslm: You would need to know C and probably some lower level stuff as well. |
| 03:51:47 | grndslm | Llorean: any pointers to this type of lower level stuff? |
| 03:51:59 | Llorean | And you'd probably need to splice a USB cable for your device to a USB keyboard or make a generic USB adapter. |
| 03:52:27 | webguest15 | sansa e260 |
| 03:52:36 | Llorean | grndslm: Start small. Trying to tackle something like getting the serial port or USB working up front is probably way too big. |
| 03:52:44 | Llorean | webguest15: USB only works in the original firmware, boot into that |
| 03:52:53 | webguest15 | oh okay |
| 03:52:56 | webguest15 | thanks |
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| 04:13:26 | webguest84 | where can i download plugins for rockbox? |
| 04:14:25 | webguest84 | for the e200's |
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| 04:14:40 | Llorean | webguest84: It comes with all the official ones. |
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| 04:20:24 | webguest84 | what do you mean? |
| 04:21:12 | BHSPitMonkey | it comes with basically all of the plugins you can get. |
| 04:21:14 | Insectoid | The plugins that come with Rockbox are probably the only really working ones −− at least I don't know of any others. |
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| 04:21:26 | BHSPitMonkey | there are very few out there that don't ship with rockbox. |
| 04:21:44 | BHSPitMonkey | (and they're generally not worth having) |
| 04:21:54 | TrueJournals | The only thing I've seen is the improvements inside FS... |
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| 04:24:07 | premier_ | hello, I'm trying to install rockbox on my system which already has ipodlinux and loader 2. I was told I could just extract the files and loader 2 would pick them up, but it doesnt work |
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| 04:24:45 | Insectoid | premier_: Ipodpatcher installs the bootloader. Just use the link I gave you, the bootloader is integrated. |
| 04:25:14 | premier_ | Insectoid: what if I want to keep loader 2? |
| 04:26:56 | Insectoid | Well I know nothing of iPL so ... yeah. |
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| 04:32:01 | TrueJournals | Argg... still having trouble with the loadable icons patch |
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| 04:54:39 | BHSPitMonkey | premier_, when rockbox.ipod is in your fat partition's root, it should Just Work and get added to your loader2 menu. |
| 04:54:44 | BHSPitMonkey | Does it not?\ |
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| 04:57:19 | BHSPitMonkey | how did the talks with AMS ever pan out? |
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| 05:01:34 | scorche | BHSPitMonkey: we have sound on sansa ;) |
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| 05:02:29 | BHSPitMonkey | cool |
| 05:02:45 | BHSPitMonkey | I only just got around to reading the wikipage on those talks |
| 05:02:56 | BHSPitMonkey | it's really cool. |
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| 05:53:40 | Cam | hey can someone help me out with WPS? |
| 05:54:03 | Cam | Can someone help me out with WPS |
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| 06:16:29 | Vic-Viper | Just discovered RockBox 30 minutes ago. Read the manuals, forums, etc. Noticed that it had a SNES music player. Any other formats supported? Looking for .MOD / Tracker, and other game systems. |
| 06:17:01 | Vic-Viper | I will be using this on my Ipod Nano 1stGen |
| 06:17:38 | safetydan | Vic-Viper: nsf, spc, and sid are it at the moment for game formats. There is a patch for mod playback but I've no idea how well that works at the moment. |
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| 06:20:19 | Vic-Viper | sounds great, thanks for the quick reply |
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| 06:45:07 | Insectoid | I am a blind iPod user and I am curious as to how much battery power the backlight uses/would I gain any advantages from disabling it? |
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| 06:50:05 | INFAMOUS | =/ 80gb ipod no go |
| 06:50:06 | INFAMOUS | =( |
| 06:50:28 | Vic-Viper | same for nano, its plugged in, but not charging |
| 06:50:31 | Vic-Viper | nothing on screen |
| 06:53:15 | INFAMOUS | i just got this 80 gig |
| 06:54:00 | Llorean | Vic-Viper: Try turning hold on then off again, then holding Menu+Select |
| 06:54:32 | Llorean | Vic-Viper: The Nanos (all iPods really, but the Nanos show it the most) occasionally don't like to come back from power down. It happens in the retail firmware too, but since the retail firmware doesn't power fully down until you leave it for like 2 days, you don't see the problem as often. |
| 06:54:43 | Vic-Viper | ah |
| 06:54:45 | Vic-Viper | works now |
| 06:54:46 | Vic-Viper | thanks |
| 06:54:51 | Vic-Viper | trying to setup a dual boot :/ |
| 06:55:16 | Llorean | If you've installed Rockbox, you have a dual boot... |
| 06:55:22 | Vic-Viper | oh? |
| 06:55:27 | Vic-Viper | its installed and running |
| 06:55:30 | Llorean | Turn it off |
| 06:55:37 | Llorean | Then turn it on, and immediately flip on the hold switch |
| 06:56:34 | Vic-Viper | nice |
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| 07:02:52 | Vic-Viper | There, got it dual booting via the linux loader so I get a pretty menu at startup |
| 07:03:19 | aliask | Insectoid: I would suggest turning it off, as I have done. I would guess that it adds at least an hour to playback. |
| 07:04:13 | Insectoid | Aliask: just take out the #define from firmware/export/ipodvideo.h? |
| 07:05:07 | aliask | Oh, you mean completely removing the backlight code. This might actually leave the backlight permanently on... |
| 07:05:30 | Insectoid | That's probably not what I'm looking to do :( −− What did you do to disable it? |
| 07:05:40 | aliask | I set backlight time to 0 |
| 07:05:47 | Insectoid | Ah... That's rather easier. |
| 07:06:31 | aliask | Perhaps a small boost in battery life could be gained by switching the LCD off completely, but I'm not sure how much power it takes. Or how to actualy do this. |
| 07:07:06 | Insectoid | That's just asking for trouble if I break the thing with my tinkering and need someone to tell me what it says. |
| 07:07:20 | aliask | Yes, a valid point. |
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| 07:20:13 | Vic-Viper | think I just locked Rockbox by trying to play a SNES song :p |
| 07:21:37 | Vic-Viper | there it goes |
| 07:21:39 | Vic-Viper | much better |
| 07:23:44 | Vic-Viper | this kicks ass! Any support for 2nd Gen Nanos yet? My bud would love this. |
| 07:24:04 | BHSPitMonkey | Vic-Viper, nope |
| 07:24:45 | Vic-Viper | oh well, too bad for him. Time to load some SID music |
| 07:25:12 | BHSPitMonkey | hcs did good on the chiptune players |
| 07:26:27 | Vic-Viper | no kidding, its spot on. My friend owns a real sid station. I cheaped out and got the MIDI_NES instead |
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| 07:51:27 | l2eM1x | how can i look up bug reports for the uisimulator? |
| 07:51:59 | aliask | l2eM1x: What do you mean? |
| 07:52:13 | l2eM1x | for example in uisimulator for sansa i am testing a WPS |
| 07:52:25 | l2eM1x | i create the WPS it looks great−−everything is positioned |
| 07:52:30 | l2eM1x | put it on my sansa |
| 07:52:32 | l2eM1x | the lines are off |
| 07:52:35 | l2eM1x | its way different |
| 07:52:46 | aliask | Did you build the simulator yourself? |
| 07:52:47 | l2eM1x | the pictures etc are correctly placed |
| 07:52:52 | l2eM1x | no |
| 07:53:03 | aliask | You might be running and old version of the sim |
| 07:53:03 | l2eM1x | I cant get a rockbox build environment to work |
| 07:53:14 | l2eM1x | i just downloaded it today−−but i suppose its possible |
| 07:53:24 | l2eM1x | i doubt it gets updated much |
| 07:53:27 | l2eM1x | lemme find the version |
| 07:53:31 | scorche | l2eM1x: did you also put the fonts pack on the device? |
| 07:54:11 | l2eM1x | yes the fonts are on my sansa |
| 07:54:27 | l2eM1x | actually |
| 07:54:29 | l2eM1x | now that you mention it |
| 07:54:33 | l2eM1x | i should check that |
| 07:55:10 | l2eM1x | yes the fonts are on my sansa |
| 07:55:54 | l2eM1x | but look at that |
| 07:56:00 | l2eM1x | they arent on my simulator |
| 07:56:01 | l2eM1x | your amazing |
| 07:56:16 | * | scorche deletes his inquiry to that effect |
| 07:56:29 | l2eM1x | goddamn im stupid |
| 07:56:52 | l2eM1x | waht is the default font? |
| 07:56:56 | scorche | on a side note, please type in one line when you can |
| 07:56:56 | l2eM1x | it looked good with it |
| 07:57:08 | l2eM1x | sorry yeah thats really obnoxious now that I look at it |
| 07:57:19 | scorche | rockbox_default.fnt ;) |
| 07:57:31 | l2eM1x | well that would just make sense now wouldnt it :P |
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| 08:01:28 | * | l2eM1x wondering why my sansa screen just turned bright red |
| 08:02:20 | scorche | did you try and flirt with its girl? |
| 08:02:38 | l2eM1x | yeah she was cute |
| 08:02:49 | scorche | that would do it |
| 08:03:26 | l2eM1x | your so smart |
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| 08:50:01 | ptw419 | anyone have the wiki page for new target builds |
| 08:50:28 | ptw419 | nm |
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| 11:49:38 | JdGordon | is there a midkay in the hourse? |
| 11:49:47 | midkay | there is.. what's up? |
| 11:50:37 | JdGordon | nm... just wondering if you can come up wth a 6x8x1 icon for supported files that havnt got a icon set? |
| 11:51:21 | midkay | what? a single generic icon? |
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| 11:51:26 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 11:51:46 | JdGordon | or is showing no icon good for that? |
| 11:51:59 | midkay | well, any thoughts? hmm... |
| 11:52:15 | amiconn | On charcell we use that mirrored question mark |
| 11:53:07 | amiconn | (currently for all supported files because there isn't a way yet to dynamically define icons) |
| 11:53:19 | amiconn | For dynamically supported files I mean |
| 11:53:41 | midkay | just a small X is all i can really think of... midkay.net/hmm.bmp">http://www.midkay.net/hmm.bmp |
| 11:53:42 | amiconn | JdGordon: Do we have a 4-gray icon set yet? |
| 11:53:53 | JdGordon | dont think so |
| 11:54:35 | amiconn | Did you see my latest remarks regarding charcell and dynamic icons btw? |
| 11:54:52 | JdGordon | in irc? unless i was highlighted i didnt |
| 11:55:25 | amiconn | I think that the best way will be to implement a (limited) bmp loader for charcell, so that the viewers.config mechanism will be the same |
| 11:55:32 | JdGordon | we definatly want the viewer icons sepearate from the inbuilts? |
| 11:55:36 | amiconn | yes |
| 11:55:57 | amiconn | The loader would only load 1-bit BMPs, and onl 7 pixels wide ones |
| 11:56:04 | amiconn | Erm, 5 pixels |
| 11:56:08 | JdGordon | sounds ok |
| 11:57:20 | JdGordon | how about using the text version that viewer.config uses now? |
| 11:57:38 | JdGordon | bmp is easier to fiddle with though |
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| 12:01:34 | amiconn | Using the text version makes it harder to maintain viewers.config |
| 12:01:46 | amiconn | Otoh this doesn't apply to too many viewers... |
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| 12:05:22 | * | JdGordon remembers why he put viewers on the ned of the builtin bmp.... they are a massive PITA as a seperate bmp |
| 12:07:43 | amiconn | ? |
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| 12:08:15 | amiconn | Just use some flag bit to distinguish fixed/variable icons... |
| 12:08:56 | amiconn | Or check like this if (icon > LAST_BUILTIN_ICON) ... |
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| 12:12:11 | amiconn | On a related note, I think we don't need those .bmp context items for icons. Setting themable icons exclusively from .cfg should be ok. WPS bitmaps are also only loadable from .wps files |
| 12:12:52 | amiconn | With more and more theming stuff coming, all those set as... items will clutter the context menu and confuse the user |
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| 12:14:14 | amiconn | And the icon width and height setting is unnesssary if the icon strip bitmaps follow a naming convention that encodes width and height in the filename |
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| 12:17:48 | PaulJam | can i compile a simulator that runs under windows with linux? |
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| 12:27:48 | JdGordon | amiconn: yeah, you said that yerstarday and i agree |
| 12:27:55 | JdGordon | PaulJam: yep |
| 12:28:05 | JdGordon | look for crosscompile sdl for windows |
| 12:28:39 | JdGordon | amiconn: the loading the viewer icons into a buffer is the had part, vieweing is simple |
| 12:28:47 | JdGordon | s/hard/complicated |
| 12:29:07 | amiconn | Why? |
| 12:29:17 | amiconn | You just have 2 buffers instead of one |
| 12:29:31 | JdGordon | 4 instead of two.. |
| 12:29:43 | JdGordon | might need to redo the whole loading code |
| 12:30:06 | amiconn | PaulJam: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator#Building_Windows_sim_in_Linux |
| 12:30:37 | PaulJam | JdGordon, amiconn: thank you |
| 12:32:36 | * | JdGordon does a svn revert and stars again |
| 12:32:54 | amiconn | JdGordon: Ah, yes, 4 for targets with remote lcd |
| 12:33:40 | JdGordon | the viewer iconset has to have the same dimensions as the main icons, so can they be loaded onto the end of the main icons buffer? |
| 12:34:36 | JdGordon | that qould simplify things a fair bit |
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| 12:35:38 | amiconn | Perhaps, but then load order becomes important |
| 12:36:38 | amiconn | Hmm, it won't work for vertical-packed pixel format |
| 12:37:42 | JdGordon | ok, scrapping that idea |
| 12:37:52 | JdGordon | we'll just have to do it with 4 buffers |
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| 12:59:37 | PaulJam | which files are needed to run the simulator under windows? are the rockboxui.exe and the archos dir enough or do i need something else from the build directory? |
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| 13:00:13 | JdGordon | thats enough... unless you want to play music |
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| 13:03:18 | PaulJam | no, i just want to try to design some icons, and i prefer windows for that, because mspaint doesn't work good with wine |
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| 13:06:49 | amiconn | PaulJam: You need sdl.dll installed somewhere in your path, and if you want the sim background, you need UI256.bmp from the build dir |
| 13:07:11 | amiconn | Maybe that's required even when running without background - I usually don't do that |
| 13:07:20 | bluebrother | mspaint? Urgh. How about The Gimp? |
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| 13:07:45 | amiconn | bluebrother: Are you serious? |
| 13:08:05 | amiconn | Gimp is the single graphics program I never managed to use |
| 13:08:06 | bluebrother | yes. I used Gimp e.g. for the new jewels icons |
| 13:08:31 | amiconn | I can't even do the most simple things in gimp... |
| 13:08:53 | PaulJam | i tried gimp once, but i didnt like it. mspaint is simple and easy to understand. |
| 13:09:01 | bluebrother | it's quite easy once you recognized the idea behind the interface |
| 13:09:30 | bluebrother | and the last releases improved the GUI for new users quite a bit |
| 13:09:36 | amiconn | I totally failed using gimp. It might be powerful, but the UI goes against anything intuition tells me |
| 13:09:59 | * | amiconn didn't even manage to load an image in gimp |
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| 13:10:37 | bluebrother | I find it quite intuitive It's just different to about all other image programs |
| 13:11:00 | bluebrother | I failed when I tried using Photoshop. In that terms that is not intuitive either ;-) |
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| 13:12:32 | amiconn | For simple things I sometimes use mspaint, and for more serious things photoshop (elements) or corel photopaint |
| 13:12:55 | amiconn | photopaint and photoshop are quite different in concepts, but they're both intuitive to me |
| 13:13:33 | bluebrother | just read a basic introduction and Gimp becomes intuitive in its own way too ;-) |
| 13:13:43 | amiconn | Haha |
| 13:14:01 | bluebrother | do I hear some frustration? |
| 13:14:02 | * | JdGordon got slightly further with gimp than amiconn, but couldnt do anything with the loaded image |
| 13:14:39 | bluebrother | the right mouse button is quite important |
| 13:15:56 | * | davina is slowly getting better with GIMP |
| 13:16:01 | linuxstb | amiconn: You pinged? |
| 13:17:40 | davina | having ditch WindowsXP for Ubuntu linux, I am determined to make things like GIMP work for me |
| 13:17:41 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes. Since we have mpegplayer for grayscale, we need the demo video in another resolution (or two): for mini |
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| 13:18:03 | amiconn | Following the multiple-of-16 rule, fullscreen would be 144x112 |
| 13:18:11 | SliMM | what is the rockbox blue |
| 13:18:21 | SliMM | ? |
| 13:18:50 | bluebrother | rockbox blue? |
| 13:18:57 | bluebrother | what are you taking about? |
| 13:19:15 | SliMM | the default bg colour |
| 13:19:31 | bluebrother | of the website? |
| 13:19:35 | JdGordon | (182, 198, 229) |
| 13:19:38 | amiconn | linuxstb: Oh, and I tried current mpegplayer with the demos on H300 and X5. Performance leaves a lot to be desired :( |
| 13:19:40 | * | JdGordon had lcd.h open :p |
| 13:19:41 | SliMM | no, the os |
| 13:19:50 | linuxstb | amiconn: OK, I'll produce some later. |
| 13:20:09 | bluebrother | the os? |
| 13:20:21 | * | bluebrother doesn't have any color targets |
| 13:20:27 | SliMM | JdGordon, thanks |
| 13:20:36 | linuxstb | amiconn: Did you measure the unrestricted FPS? |
| 13:20:39 | amiconn | (all tests with frame skip and frame rate limiting enabled) H300 fullscreen ~6.5fps, H300 widescreen ~8fps, X5 fullscreen ~10fps, X5 widescreen ~18fps |
| 13:20:43 | SliMM | bluebrother: that's ok :P |
| 13:21:06 | amiconn | And except X5 widescreen it looks really jumpy as it seems mpegplayer skips whole gops |
| 13:21:11 | bluebrother | but that's the same values as the website uses (just checked the css) |
| 13:22:08 | linuxstb | amiconn: Those aren't realistic tests - mpegplayer need to decode all 24fps, it's just skipping the display. AFAIK, jhMikeS's changes only skip decoding of B-frames, and my encodes don't have any B frames. |
| 13:22:26 | linuxstb | So the files should be encoded at far less - e.g. 12fps |
| 13:22:58 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: no, it will skip I and P frames if desperately behind and just dropping frames in rendering can't keep up. There's no choice or you'll just fall behind. |
| 13:23:16 | linuxstb | You would expect that to be happening on the H300? |
| 13:23:55 | * | davina is away: in the bath |
| 13:25:47 | jhMikeS | so, if you drop I or P in the decoder, nothing can be drawn again until the next I so that's it's last resort. Order: B->Render->P or I |
| 13:26:17 | amiconn | Without frame skip, H300 fullscreen starts at around 10.5fps, then drops to ~9 with increasing complexity |
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| 13:27:02 | linuxstb | That's good IMO - the original firmware only manages 10fps IIRC, and there is still a lot of optimisation possible on Coldfire. |
| 13:27:16 | jhMikeS | Possible, but sync in the short term is it's goal |
| 13:28:18 | jhMikeS | I have a video that can average the video framerate in the long term, but in the short term it must drop frames to keep synchronized |
| 13:28:28 | amiconn | Widescreen starts above 12fps, then drops to ~11 |
| 13:29:19 | amiconn | Framerate varies a lot in "elephants dream" on coldfire - does this also happen on arm? |
| 13:29:52 | linuxstb | One problem is that the valid mpeg framerates are 10, 12, 15, 23.976, 24, 25, 29.97, and 30. So a big gap between 15 and 24 - which is probably where most targets lie. |
| 13:30:12 | linuxstb | I guess encoding with lots of B frames is the solution... |
| 13:30:22 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes. |
| 13:31:01 | linuxstb | Although not on gigabeat - I think it can now play the full-screen version with no skipping. |
| 13:33:16 | amiconn | Regarding mpegplayer on coldfire, there is more optimisation potential on X5 (and M5) than on the irivers - more iram |
| 13:33:28 | jhMikeS | well, that video I mention on the gigabeat keeps up with only b frames dropped. the best solutions are: faster decoder and B frames since they can just not be decoded arbitrarily and they also take a lot of CPU to decode |
| 13:33:42 | preglow | jhMikeS: mov %0, #0x60000000 is four bytes smaller than what you just commited :> |
| 13:33:53 | preglow | and two cycles faster |
| 13:34:42 | jhMikeS | preglow: hmmm...this is true...hehe...that rotateable |
| 13:35:14 | preglow | indeedey |
| 13:35:19 | jhMikeS | good spot...will tweak it up :) |
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| 13:35:47 | JdGordon | amiconn: how are we going to supply default icons for the viewers? just in the zip? or ... |
| 13:36:06 | linuxstb | Is anyone working on committing the libmad optimisations? |
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| 13:37:31 | preglow | i assumed amiconn was on it |
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| 13:38:35 | amiconn | preglow: No I don't because of the iram issue |
| 13:39:11 | preglow | isn't libmad compiled seperately for mpegplayer now? |
| 13:39:19 | * | JdGordon has viewer icons working from a seperate buffer :) |
| 13:39:21 | jhMikeS | yup |
| 13:39:37 | linuxstb | Yes, but we still need to decide which bits of libmad are least beneficial in IRAM... |
| 13:39:39 | preglow | btw: before commiting, i would try to disable the new imdct on portalplayer and see if it has any impact |
| 13:39:46 | amiconn | It is, but now someone needs to go thought libmad and make some iram assignments conditional... |
| 13:40:04 | linuxstb | Is the extra IRAM enabled for those targets with 128KB? |
| 13:40:22 | linuxstb | Could be useful to do that first. |
| 13:40:23 | PaulJam | JdGordon: is loadable icons patch supposed to take care of the linespacings, so the icons don't overlap when using small text? |
| 13:40:44 | preglow | no, it's not |
| 13:41:07 | JdGordon | PaulJam: no, the list is responsable for that... not icons |
| 13:42:01 | amiconn | linuxstb: Only for MCF5250, i.e. X5 + M5 |
| 13:43:11 | amiconn | But on coldfire there is no iram issue in mpegplayer even with that patch applied... |
| 13:43:37 | * | jhMikeS has to implement a proper core lock and the processor IDs seem chosen to assist that |
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| 13:46:19 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Could you use the PP mailboxes for locking? |
| 13:46:47 | jhMikeS | Maybe but I don't think it's needed |
| 13:46:56 | linuxstb | amiconn: Do you know where the changes are needed? From what I can see, the IRAM size and location is only in the linker scripts - app.lds, boot.lds and plugin.lds. |
| 13:47:45 | * | jhMikeS wonders why the random channel swapping occurs in playback but not in the mpegplayer on sansa |
| 13:49:00 | amiconn | linuxstb: Hmm, lemme check... |
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| 13:51:58 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Have you looked inside libmpeg2 enough to see if just decoding the luma would be easy or hard? (for the greyscale targets) |
| 13:51:58 | * | JdGordon broke the list for charcells :'( |
| 13:52:41 | PaulJam | is there a way to revert to the default iconset without editing the configfile? |
| 13:52:45 | jhMikeS | I haven't looked at that yet but was going to. I was gonna give it going over for anything to cut decoding overhead or to customize it. |
| 13:52:56 | JdGordon | PaulJam: no |
| 13:53:10 | PaulJam | thanks |
| 13:53:41 | amiconn | linuxstb: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=11482 and http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=11495 |
| 13:54:06 | jhMikeS | I also have a video that starts in sync but snaps out a bit a few seconds in...I want to correct that bug cause it's buggin me that it's there. |
| 13:54:20 | linuxstb | amiconn: :) I would have made the same oops... |
| 13:54:41 | amiconn | Hehe |
| 13:54:44 | linuxstb | Seems it should be done properly and moved to the config files... |
| 13:55:20 | amiconn | Don't forget to bump the api versions (including the minimum) when doing that move |
| 13:55:34 | linuxstb | A second oops... |
| 13:56:00 | linuxstb | And playback.c even uses different names... |
| 13:56:02 | amiconn | The case of X5 was special because the core IRAM was decreased, so the old plugins and codecs could still work without interfering with the core |
| 13:56:40 | SliMM | apart otimisation, what should i do for my code to be included in the svn? |
| 13:56:43 | amiconn | But if you increase both core and plugin iram to 64KB, the old plugin iram would partially overlap what now belongs to the core... |
| 13:56:52 | SliMM | apart from optimisation* |
| 13:57:33 | linuxstb | Does config.h seem the best place for those definitions? Based on the target CPU defined in config-target.h |
| 13:57:57 | amiconn | The cpu types will probably need a slight rework as well |
| 13:58:09 | amiconn | We don't have PP5022 as a separate type yet |
| 13:58:37 | linuxstb | I was thinking about that as well... Nothing's straightforward. |
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| 14:00:22 | amiconn | No, but hopefully we can make it more straightforward |
| 14:00:47 | linuxstb | And if we move the IRAM definitions, DRAM should probably be moved as well... |
| 14:01:01 | amiconn | That's another reason why it's imho worth to keep support for old targets in the trunk - having more targets forces you to think about proper abstraction |
| 14:01:19 | amiconn | ...and hence helps adding new targets |
| 14:01:57 | TrueJournals_ | JdGordon: Should I try the version of loadable icons you just posted, and see if that works before posting my rockbox.map? |
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| 14:02:22 | preglow | linuxstb: i refuse to believe decoding just luma should be hard |
| 14:02:28 | preglow | if so, the libmpeg2 coders have done a poor job |
| 14:02:59 | preglow | the only thing differing from the way jpeg.c handles it, would be in motion compensation |
| 14:03:06 | preglow | afaik |
| 14:03:17 | amiconn | Btw, were there some thoughts about alternative (mpeg2) video decoders which might be faster? |
| 14:03:45 | jhMikeS | I'm sure our own would be :) |
| 14:03:46 | preglow | i think i heard some talk about the ffmpeg one |
| 14:03:49 | amiconn | Thinking about the libflac -> ffmpegflac move for audio... |
| 14:03:51 | PaulJam | JdGordon: why have you changed the space between the icon and the text? with svn there are 3 pixels between text and icon in browser and menus, and with your patch ther are 2 pixels in menus and 1 pixel in the browser. (with default font and icons) |
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| 14:04:58 | amiconn | libflac struggled like hell, and now flac is our fastest (compressed) audio codec... |
| 14:07:26 | linuxstb | I think mirak found a (quite old) comparison showing that (at least on x86), ffmpeg's mpeg2 decoder was significantly faster. |
| 14:08:35 | linuxstb | Although I remember the difference not being enough to motivate me to try and use it... |
| 14:09:35 | linuxstb | Although libflac is a difference case - it's a reference library, rather than something designed for speed. |
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| 14:10:22 | amiconn | I also wonder about the performance requirements of mpeg4 vs. mpeg2. |
| 14:11:03 | amiconn | One should think mpeg2 is easier to decode because of less complexity, but then why do dap/pmp manufacturers often choose mpeg4 for video support? |
| 14:11:14 | preglow | popularity? |
| 14:11:24 | amiconn | hmm? |
| 14:11:37 | preglow | most videos you will find floating around already are mpeg4 |
| 14:11:42 | amiconn | In what way is mpeg4 more popular? All dvds out there are mpeg2... |
| 14:11:47 | linuxstb | I think one advantage of mpeg4 is more flexible framerates - which is useful on low-powered devices. |
| 14:11:56 | jhMikeS | there seems to be junk in the decoder we can just strip away perhaps |
| 14:12:06 | preglow | amiconn: dvds aren't just files floating around, you have to rip them |
| 14:12:10 | linuxstb | It's also marketed (rightly or wrongly) as being targeted for low-resolution and low bitrate... |
| 14:12:34 | amiconn | hmmmm |
| 14:12:44 | jhMikeS | preglow: I've just copied VOB file off a DVD to my HD and played em |
| 14:13:08 | linuxstb | Or it's simply a case of "mpeg 4 is newer, so it must be better" |
| 14:13:08 | amiconn | Doesn't the of of the H300 or X5 (really don't remember) support mpeg4? |
| 14:13:25 | jhMikeS | x5 uses MPEG4 in OF yes |
| 14:13:50 | linuxstb | Do I remember correctly that it's 15fps? |
| 14:13:55 | jhMikeS | 12 |
| 14:14:42 | linuxstb | What can mpegplayer currently do with limit fps disabled? |
| 14:15:22 | jhMikeS | ugh, we can strip out that CPU save state stuff |
| 14:15:53 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The manual says 15fps... |
| 14:16:01 | jhMikeS | I seemed to get around 12.5fps on elephants dream |
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| 14:16:25 | amiconn | XviD MPEG-4, CBR ~256 kbit/s, up to 160x128, 15fps |
| 14:16:29 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: That's with the sync turned off? i.e. not skipping anything? |
| 14:16:38 | jhMikeS | or wait, no that's sync on |
| 14:16:48 | linuxstb | The wiki page says 18fps for 160x128 on the X5. |
| 14:17:20 | linuxstb | And that's without EMAC or IRAM for video decoding... |
| 14:17:35 | amiconn | JdGordon: Do you have an idea why hwcodec always jumps to the main menu instead of the set start screen when playback ends normally? |
| 14:17:57 | * | linuxstb afk |
| 14:18:09 | jhMikeS | I guess I can pull a quick check |
| 14:18:45 | PaulJam | JdGordon: an addition to my previos comment: the 1 pixel between icon and text in the browser is only with titles disabled. with title the spacing is 2 pixels like in the menus. |
| 14:19:10 | jhMikeS | some parts are so light on decoding though that they really inflate the value |
| 14:19:13 | preglow | jhMikeS: doesn't just sounds like any dvd, then |
| 14:19:39 | jhMikeS | it was a commercial one |
| 14:19:52 | amiconn | linuxstb: The 18fps were probably from before audio support |
| 14:20:00 | preglow | then whatever player you used decrypted it for you |
| 14:20:20 | jhMikeS | probably |
| 14:20:53 | linuxstb | amiconn: I don't think so, but it was before the overhead of proper framerate control and a/v sync. |
| 14:20:56 | jhMikeS | just the CyberLink DVD drivers |
| 14:21:19 | linuxstb | (and before rebuffering) |
| 14:21:33 | amiconn | preglow: Some comercial dvds aren't css "protected" |
| 14:21:57 | jhMikeS | I'm not sure framerate control and rebuffering are really much in the overhead equation |
| 14:22:20 | linuxstb | Anyone know the current unlimited fps on the X5? |
| 14:22:36 | amiconn | Fullscreen? |
| 14:22:38 | * | jhMikeS is about to check |
| 14:22:45 | jhMikeS | with current svn |
| 14:22:50 | preglow | amiconn: i know, i even have a couple, but they're usually pretty small scale releases |
| 14:23:06 | linuxstb | The wiki says 18fps for fullscreen and 25fps for 16:9 |
| 14:23:09 | JdGordon | amiconn: no, i guess there is a GO_TO_ROOT which isnt accessable to swcodec that is beign reached |
| 14:23:17 | jhMikeS | one was a Harry Potter movie and the other a Muppet flick |
| 14:23:28 | preglow | almost certainly cssed |
| 14:23:30 | JdGordon | PaulJam: 1 pixel is enough... i can get it to 3 if nescaceru |
| 14:24:18 | jhMikeS | I am finding fewer Macrovisioned releases...even major ones |
| 14:25:33 | amiconn | linuxstb: ~16fps X5 fullscreen |
| 14:26:10 | linuxstb | That's still better than Cowon's mpeg4 decoder can manage then... |
| 14:27:05 | jhMikeS | perhaps but cowon's decoder is playing frames at an even rate |
| 14:27:59 | linuxstb | True. But our decoder is far from optimised. |
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| 14:30:15 | jhMikeS | the real framerate should be considered to be the slowest short term rate actually |
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| 14:30:56 | TrueJournals | OK, I'm currently compiling a new build to see if the latest loadable icons patch fixes the problems I was having |
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| 14:31:38 | TrueJournals | I'm just curious what is meant by "you need to remove the viewer icons before loading the above iconsets" |
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| 14:37:49 | PaulJam | TrueJournals: i think it means, that you have to remove the last 14 icons form the custom bmp files that were posted earlier |
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| 14:38:47 | TrueJournals | ah... hmm... so if I want to test it, should I just try loading the default icon set? |
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| 14:44:14 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: I hit about 17.5 average running it to the end...but audio stops early |
| 14:47:01 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: should I start stripping unneeded code? :) |
| 14:47:13 | PaulJam | JdGordon: would it be possible to use the choosen foregroundcolour to draw the default icons? (for users who use a dark backgroundimage) |
| 14:49:16 | amiconn | The icons will be treated as (transparent) images, so no, at least not yet |
| 14:49:49 | amiconn | It might be possible to add this in a 100% transparent way later, when reworking the bitmap drawing |
| 14:50:24 | TrueJournals | Hmm... I just downloaded latest SVN, patched, and compiled, and it seems like there are no custom icons |
| 14:50:28 | TrueJournals | Unfortunately, I have to go |
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| 14:50:35 | amiconn | Then the colour depth of the BMP would decide whether it's treated as mono bitmap, and hence drawn in the foreground colour, or as a transparent native bitmap |
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| 14:51:30 | JdGordon | amiconn: have you had a look at te latest version? |
| 14:51:46 | SliMM | where is the loadable icon patch, JdGordon? |
| 14:52:03 | amiconn | No timea tm |
| 14:52:04 | JdGordon | fs 7013 |
| 14:52:12 | SliMM | k, 10x |
| 14:52:28 | * | JdGordon hates the abrev. 10x and n8 :p |
| 14:52:39 | JdGordon | they dont even bloody work! |
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| 14:52:56 | aliask | What's n8? |
| 14:53:11 | JdGordon | night! |
| 14:53:22 | PaulJam | n8 works in german |
| 14:53:51 | aliask | Hrm. Quite right... doesn't work :P |
| 14:54:02 | SliMM | JdGordon: sorry, i should get used to not using 10x anymore |
| 14:54:08 | JdGordon | :) |
| 14:55:10 | JdGordon | amiconn: on charcell, the cursor is always shows int he list right? |
| 14:55:28 | JdGordon | and there is no scrollbar? |
| 14:55:43 | aliask | JdGordon: I had an idea for the icons, I think it should be possible for .rocks to have an icon by having the rock's name + .bmp in /rocks |
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| 14:56:12 | JdGordon | aliask: na, that gets too messy :p |
| 14:56:14 | SliMM | i'll ask again, what should i do for my opacity lib to be included in the svn (apart from optimistions) |
| 14:56:14 | * | JdGordon brb |
| 14:56:20 | jhMikeS | I want to just put everything in a single header and delete lots of files...we should just get rid of all the separate lib headers the libmad too |
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| 14:58:49 | jhMikeS | the state_save stuff shouldn't be needed, right...not even on the sim I hope |
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| 15:07:55 | PaulJam | JdGordon: with the new patch, how do you select an iconset? the contextmenuentry seems to be gone. |
| 15:08:17 | JdGordon | you have to use the config |
| 15:08:25 | PaulJam | ok |
| 15:08:25 | JdGordon | icon set: and viewers icon set: |
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| 15:09:00 | * | aliask thinks rockbox needs a good "select file" interface |
| 15:09:11 | * | JdGordon agrees |
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| 15:10:37 | amiconn | JdGordon: Yes, charcell has no scrollbar for obvious reasons, and also always uses the pointer list cursor because it cannot invert the line |
| 15:10:56 | amiconn | Looks a bit funny with those 2-line-selected lists... |
| 15:11:14 | JdGordon | yeah, so hardcoding the icon positions is ok? |
| 15:11:28 | * | JdGordon wonders why it thinks all file types are unknown :p |
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| 15:14:08 | * | jhMikeS is just gonna rip the guts out of the video decoder :) |
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| 15:16:24 | JdGordon | :'( the stupid code is correct |
| 15:16:32 | JdGordon | just the player is being stupid :'( |
| 15:17:13 | JdGordon | oh bloody hell :p |
| 15:17:18 | JdGordon | stupid copy+paste bug |
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| 15:17:27 | ashes | hello |
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| 15:19:14 | ashes | i use my iriver with my home stereo. its not the best home stereo, but its not bad. so, im wondering what quality level i should use with ogg vorbis |
| 15:19:28 | PaulJam | JdGordon: is the iconheight now determined automatically? (sorry if i'm annoying you with so many questions) |
| 15:19:36 | ashes | the same track is 1.9MB at quality 5, and 6.3MB at quality 10 |
| 15:19:41 | JdGordon | yes, and your not :) |
| 15:21:01 | PaulJam | ashes: you should encode some tracks at different quality levels and then decide yourself what is good for your ears |
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| 15:21:11 | daurnimator | hey JdGordon |
| 15:21:16 | JdGordon | hey |
| 15:21:25 | ashes | using quality 10 means that one day my iriver will be full. using quality 5 means i can fit over 3 times more tracks in it. what sort of hardware/speakers are needed to hear the affects of quality 5 or 10? |
| 15:22:00 | daurnimator | ashes: try it for yourself |
| 15:22:20 | ashes | almost all my cds are vocal, so i think they need better quality encoding |
| 15:23:35 | ashes | if i understand correctly, something like Queen wouldn't benefit from higher quality than something like Bjrk |
| 15:23:36 | JdGordon | if they are vocal they dont need high quality at all.. |
| 15:23:40 | SliMM | JdGordon: what if i want to make an icon for my php files? |
| 15:23:55 | JdGordon | SliMM: ? |
| 15:24:02 | ashes | something like elvis wasn't recorded with very good quality to begin with |
| 15:24:35 | SliMM | JdGordon: can i just add the new icon at the bottom of the other icons? |
| 15:25:25 | JdGordon | SliMM: add it to the end of the bmp for the viewers, then add the .icons file, you also need to add php to viewers.config |
| 15:25:29 | aliask | ashes: But that quality degradation is different to the quality degradation of ogg compression, so it'll sound different. |
| 15:25:52 | SliMM | JdGordon: ok :) |
| 15:26:28 | * | SliMM will be back later |
| 15:26:32 | ashes | instrumental needs higher quality than vocal? |
| 15:26:45 | daurnimator | ashes: yes |
| 15:26:50 | daurnimator | voice is easy to compress |
| 15:28:12 | * | dionoea wonders what php files would be used for on rockbox ... |
| 15:28:12 | ashes | flater sounds are easier to compress.. like elvis, compared to a piano? |
| 15:28:25 | SliMM | i have a problem lately with my ipod 30gb 5g |
| 15:28:35 | JdGordon | dionoea: php hacking on the bus to work? :p |
| 15:28:43 | SliMM | from time to time, it re-commits the tagcache database |
| 15:29:05 | SliMM | dionea: it was just an example |
| 15:29:12 | dionoea | ;) |
| 15:29:18 | SliMM | dionoea* |
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| 15:30:53 | Rift | hi |
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| 15:31:24 | Rift | i'am using rockbox on ipod nano, and i want t know if it's possible to view the tag of the files on playlist menu ? |
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| 15:32:06 | lachlan | Rift: As opposed to file names? |
| 15:32:20 | Rift | yes |
| 15:32:59 | SliMM | which is better? mp3 or ogg? |
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| 15:33:18 | lachlan | If you are using Database, then yes, you should see the tags |
| 15:33:29 | lachlan | SliMM: It depends |
| 15:34:01 | SliMM | lachlan: on what |
| 15:34:05 | SliMM | ? |
| 15:34:22 | lachlan | SliMM: Ogg is supposedly superior in terms of quality to size ratio, however it is harder to decode (more battery drain on DAP's) |
| 15:34:42 | dionoea | that would be vorbis |
| 15:34:51 | SliMM | i'll stick to mp3 then |
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| 15:34:58 | Rift | lachlan: i see "XJED" "PRFR".... |
| 15:35:08 | moos | MUSEPACK ! :) |
| 15:35:31 | SliMM | why does rockbox re-commit my database? |
| 15:35:40 | lachlan | Rift: Thats odd. Have you initialised Database? |
| 15:35:59 | Rift | yes |
| 15:36:02 | lachlan | SliMM; What do you mean by 're-commit'? |
| 15:36:06 | Rift | i'am using database |
| 15:36:57 | SliMM | lachlan: from time to time, when starting rockbox, it says "commiting database/tagcache [x/8]" |
| 15:37:05 | lachlan | Rift: I'd suggest you ask someone more knowledgeable than myself- Llorean would be an ideal choise if he were here |
| 15:37:24 | Rift | k |
| 15:37:27 | Rift | thx |
| 15:37:45 | SliMM | and i can only use the database for several minutes, after that the database becomes "not ready" |
| 15:37:50 | lachlan | SliMM? It actually says 'tagcache'. All references to tagcache should be gone from RB |
| 15:38:32 | SliMM | it doesn't say tagcahe, i didn't know whether it said database or tagcache, that's why the slash is there |
| 15:39:39 | lachlan | Linuxstb or midkay may be able to help you out, try asking them |
| 15:40:29 | SliMM | lachlan: ok. i don't use the database frequently, but i noticed that :) |
| 15:40:50 | SliMM | anyone would find a periodic table plug-in useful? |
| 15:41:16 | lachlan | I think there already is one. Have you checked the tracker? |
| 15:41:26 | aliask | SliMM: A what? |
| 15:41:27 | SliMM | no |
| 15:41:46 | SliMM | aliask: mendeleev's periodic table. chemistry |
| 15:41:58 | * | JdGordon shudders at the though of chemistry |
| 15:42:10 | aliask | Oh right... I was thinking like timetable for some reason... |
| 15:42:32 | * | aliask loved chemistry until this year |
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| 15:42:43 | SliMM | lachlan: there is none |
| 15:42:55 | * | SliMM didn't love chemistry until this year |
| 15:43:57 | SliMM | i'll use a vista-style semi-transparent window :) |
| 15:44:18 | SliMM | a cubis plugin needs more work, so i'll go for this one |
| 15:44:26 | lachlan | Make one if you want, I suppose. I can't really think of a practical use for it however. |
| 15:44:56 | SliMM | lachlan: io've got a point there |
| 15:45:16 | SliMM | you* :*) |
| 15:46:00 | * | SliMM is really away this time |
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| 15:51:00 | Rift | lachlan: http://dayzof.info/index/DSCN3372.JPG it's wat i view |
| 15:51:04 | Rift | what |
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| 15:53:32 | moos | Rift: do you wana see the tag of the playing track? |
| 15:53:41 | lachlan | Rift: Did you add your music throuhg iTunes? |
| 15:54:06 | lachlan | s/throuhg/through |
| 15:54:13 | Rift | i add the music with itunes |
| 15:54:46 | moos | no more need of this evil itunes |
| 15:55:02 | Rift | yes but i like the order of the music |
| 15:55:14 | Rift | ordered by artist, album... |
| 15:55:25 | moos | if you are planing to use just rockbox, then just use our own database instead (far better) |
| 15:55:37 | lachlan | I would say that is where your problems are stemming from- iTunes renames all files to random crap lie the stuff you are seeing |
| 15:55:40 | moos | you can with rockbox |
| 15:55:57 | lachlan | s/lie/like |
| 15:56:36 | moos | Rift: do you already tried the rockbox database yourself? |
| 15:56:44 | PaulJam | JdGordon: have you taken the default viewer icons out completely? when no custom iconset is loaded for example .jpg files don't have an icon anymore. |
| 15:56:50 | Rift | no |
| 15:57:17 | moos | Rift: then just try it out, and see the difference with itunes ;) |
| 15:58:04 | moos | that will get rid of itunes for you |
| 15:58:17 | Rift | i put the music on the disk ? |
| 15:58:21 | Rift | only like that ? |
| 15:58:24 | moos | yeah directly |
| 15:58:27 | Rift | ok |
| 15:58:28 | moos | drag and drop |
| 15:59:05 | JdGordon | PaulJam: yes, we need to figure out how we are going to include them in the builds... probably as viewers.bmp in the zip |
| 15:59:19 | PaulJam | ok |
| 16:00 |
| 16:00:03 | moos | Rift: you have to be aware that on rockbox, you can use a browser view (wiith directories and files...) or the database view fully custumizable |
| 16:00:15 | * | aliask just finished his last assignment! |
| 16:00:42 | moos | Rift: then if you will want to use file browser, you may organize a bit your collection |
| 16:01:01 | Rift | ha ok |
| 16:01:20 | * | JdGordon congrats aliask and realises how much work he should have done last week |
| 16:01:25 | Rift | i was thinking it's only possible to use the file browser |
| 16:01:55 | moos | both are possible filebrowser or custumizable database browser |
| 16:02:05 | Rift | i like the database :) |
| 16:02:22 | moos | you can read the manual for full infos |
| 16:02:29 | aliask | Time to waste time making pretty icons and finishing that game. |
| 16:02:29 | moos | then just use it instead |
| 16:03:19 | moos | time to go here :) |
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| 16:04:07 | Rift | ok |
| 16:04:09 | Rift | it work |
| 16:04:13 | Rift | thanks |
| 16:04:47 | moos | np |
| 16:05:28 | PaulJam | hmm. trying to rename a file in the simulator seems to cause a freeze. |
| 16:06:27 | moos | Rift: enjoy with it, and check the tagnavi.config syntax if you want to cutomize the database browser |
| 16:07:14 | mattzz | Hi, i submitted a patch to FS, regarding Sansa scroll wheel speed/sensitivity (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6996). Did somebody have the chance to look into it? |
| 16:07:48 | Rift | ok |
| 16:08:34 | lachlan | aliask: what game are you working on? |
| 16:08:51 | aliask | It's a really old dos game, I'm making a rockbox clone |
| 16:09:20 | aliask | http://www.prophecybbs.org/usrfiles/CDROM002/GAMES/SUPERDOM.ZIP |
| 16:09:49 | Stalwart | zomg, dos games |
| 16:10:35 | Rift | moos: it's possible to boot apple os when i install rockbox bootloader ? |
| 16:10:36 | Stalwart | what's exact game? |
| 16:10:38 | Stalwart | *name? |
| 16:10:46 | aliask | Super Domination |
| 16:10:56 | Stalwart | Rick: yes, turn on and switch keylock immediately |
| 16:11:08 | Stalwart | my fav. rockbox game is chopper |
| 16:11:20 | Rift | okok |
| 16:11:38 | lachlan | aliask: sounds cool |
| 16:12:04 | aliask | I just know I'm going to hit a wall once I need to make AI. |
| 16:14:05 | JdGordon | super domination in google shows some intersting links :p |
| 16:14:13 | lachlan | Google isn't giving me any info on the game, what genre is it? |
| 16:14:52 | * | JdGordon wants a scroched earth clone |
| 16:15:02 | lachlan | drop the 'super' from the search if you want really interesting links |
| 16:15:41 | lachlan | While we are fantasising, a battle tanks kind of game would slay- especially with the click wheel |
| 16:17:34 | JdGordon | aliask: 20x16? some of us want text on the screen also! :p |
| 16:17:42 | JdGordon | but they look shweet |
| 16:17:50 | aliask | Sorry, I was looking at gigabeat |
| 16:17:59 | aliask | I guess for H300 it wouldn't be so good. |
| 16:18:07 | aliask | Also the tango Icons are 16x16 :P |
| 16:18:09 | JdGordon | or the poor sansa |
| 16:18:28 | JdGordon | I tihnk 12x12 and 12x16 for the h300 and sansa would be about as big as you would want |
| 16:18:48 | aliask | lachlan: It's a turn based strategy game |
| 16:19:26 | aliask | Why 12x16? 1:1 looks nicer imo. (those ratios were leftovers from charcell iirc) |
| 16:20:32 | aliask | I'll take a stab at making some 12x12 ones (likely I'll just scale and cleanup the 16x16's) |
| 16:20:45 | PaulJam | aliask: why didn't you post the viewers iconset in your last comment too? (they can be loaded with "viewers iconset:" in the .cfg) |
| 16:21:00 | aliask | Oh... didn't realise that. |
| 16:21:19 | JdGordon | yeah, the viewers bmp can hold up to 32 icons, |
| 16:21:24 | aliask | Nice |
| 16:21:51 | aliask | But why do we have icons for files that already have icons (ie MP3 with vbrfix) |
| 16:22:06 | JdGordon | which can replace the built in filetype icons (diff icons for .mp3, flac, ogg :) ) so it needs a <iconset>.icons file to go with it |
| 16:22:47 | JdGordon | aliask: in viewers.config? thats so it can register it.. its actually pointless :p |
| 16:23:37 | * | JdGordon tries aliask's icons on the sansa |
| 16:24:01 | JdGordon | no /me doesnt... /me doesnt have a good theme to go wit the large font needed |
| 16:25:01 | aliask | There's only really one nice 16px font... jackash16 |
| 16:25:43 | lachlan | aliask: cool, I love TBS. Good luck with the enemy AI |
| 16:25:53 | aliask | Thanks :) |
| 16:26:23 | JdGordon | aliask: these icons look great.. they arnt too big for the h300 |
| 16:26:37 | JdGordon | the plugins icon is a bit wierd.. but ok :p |
| 16:27:57 | aliask | I originally had the game icon for it, but then I realised that it didn't fit all plugins... |
| 16:28:06 | aliask | Do you think I should change the colour of the icon? |
| 16:29:17 | JdGordon | its not so much the colour... i dunno |
| 16:29:23 | JdGordon | its abstract :D |
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| 16:30:08 | aliask | I agree it isn't the best, but I couldn't really decide on anything better from tango. |
| 16:31:21 | JdGordon | these icons are gpl right? |
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| 16:32:24 | aliask | Uh, I think so. |
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| 16:34:50 | aliask | http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/ |
| 16:35:08 | aliask | I don't know what implications that has on using them in rockbox. |
| 16:35:52 | JdGordon | as long as the CC license is gpl compatible they should be ok |
| 16:40:36 | dionoea | by-sa/2.5 is GPL compatible in it's UK: scotland version. Some other versions are kind of unclear (so debian doesn't consider them as GPL compatible) |
| 16:43:03 | aliask | Gotta love legal ambiguity :( |
| 16:43:57 | dionoea | ;) |
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| 16:47:28 | SliMM | does rockbox support 2bpp fonts? |
| 16:47:53 | JdGordon | no |
| 16:47:56 | JdGordon | 1bpp only iirc |
| 16:48:06 | * | JdGordon making assumptions |
| 16:48:33 | aliask | I believe you are correct. |
| 16:50:52 | SliMM | iir = ? |
| 16:50:57 | SliMM | iirc* |
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| 16:51:24 | aliask | If I recall correctly |
| 16:51:29 | aliask | Or remember... |
| 16:51:36 | SliMM | oh :) |
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| 17:00:57 | * | JdGordon bored |
| 17:03:25 | * | daurnimator says something about a swap |
| 17:05:07 | * | JdGordon says something about it being 1am :p |
| 17:05:51 | daurnimator | you' still not asleep |
| 17:06:01 | JdGordon | i know... im not tired :'( |
| 17:06:15 | JdGordon | but im going to bed anyway... gnite all |
| 17:06:21 | aliask | ugh i've been asleep at 3 last few days |
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| 17:06:37 | aliask | damn, i was about to ask him something. |
| 17:08:07 | daurnimator | lol |
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| 17:08:22 | daurnimator | alisk: what do you think of this australian devcon? ;) |
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| 17:09:43 | daurnimator | *aliask |
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| 17:11:46 | aliask | as long as it involves beer |
| 17:11:49 | aliask | and lots of it |
| 17:11:51 | aliask | anyway i'm out |
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| 17:13:48 | petur | *trigger* |
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| 17:42:38 | toni1 | jhMikeS: you're there? |
| 17:43:22 | toni1 | jhMikeS: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6908 gives the answer to your question, why mpegplayer does no channel swapping |
| 17:44:11 | pearldiver | is anyone patching with loadable icons and new dict patches? |
| 17:44:18 | toni1 | mpegplayer does yuv_blit without which in turn does not call cache_iflush() |
| 17:44:32 | toni1 | -which |
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| 17:59:03 | jhMikeS | toni1: yes...I'll read that too, thanks |
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| 18:01:06 | jhMikeS | toni1: what does that have to do with swapping channels? the dropout problem seems to have disappeared as well since I can play my normal +200kbit mp3s without audio drops |
| 18:01:41 | jhMikeS | woops he left...logged then :) |
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| 18:31:01 | ColdSphinX^ | How can an initialised database affect scrollinglines in the menu, filewiev and databaseview? |
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| 18:35:16 | toni1 | jhMikeS: Are dropouts really gone now? Which fix did the job? |
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| 18:36:23 | toni1 | jhMikeS: This morning I did a fresh svn with frequency scaling enabled ... and still dropouts + channel swapping |
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| 18:37:40 | toni1 | jhMikeS: So the basic problem to my understanding is still the cache_iflush(), which can be elimanated in two ways: |
| 18:38:08 | toni1 | jhMikeS: (1) as proposed in patch #6908 |
| 18:38:30 | jhMikeS | toni1: not sure actually |
| 18:38:44 | toni1 | jhMikeS: (2) by writing lcd frame data to uncached memory (as dan_a proposed) |
| 18:38:45 | jhMikeS | it seems to come after the audio driver update |
| 18:39:20 | jhMikeS | hmmm...I don't even know what's to worry about with that |
| 18:39:26 | toni1 | when did you do that? |
| 18:40:12 | jhMikeS | revision 13150...wasn't me |
| 18:40:20 | toni1 | problem: while the flush is inprogress the fiq accesses memory (dram) |
| 18:40:38 | toni1 | which can cause memory stalls |
| 18:41:05 | toni1 | which leads to the audio dropouts + channel swapping |
| 18:41:10 | jhMikeS | so why even bother flushing lcd updated? |
| 18:41:13 | jhMikeS | updates |
| 18:41:29 | toni1 | ? |
| 18:42:17 | jhMikeS | or you're saying in general having the two memory accesses isn't a problem...I thought it might be related to flushing the cache on every update |
| 18:42:30 | jhMikeS | is the problem |
| 18:43:13 | toni1 | yes, while the flush is in progress, it seems it is very dangerous to do another dram memory access |
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| 18:43:15 | jhMikeS | any more progress on the emulator btw? |
| 18:43:46 | toni1 | no, working on the real device is more fun :) |
| 18:44:02 | jhMikeS | :) |
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| 18:44:55 | jhMikeS | so just drop the flush or will parts of the screen be left not updated? |
| 18:46:13 | toni1 | dropping the flush during audio playback does not create screen artifacts (to my experience) |
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| 18:47:01 | toni1 | but meanwhile I prefer dan_a's solution: writing to uncached memory for the lcd frame |
| 18:48:00 | toni1 | this wirks well by adding 64MB to the frame buffer address |
| 18:48:07 | toni1 | works |
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| 18:49:32 | toni1 | only problem: dma for some reasons seems to move the baseaddress ahead, which results in a vertically splitted screen display |
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| 18:50:05 | Camjpn | can someone help me out with a rockbox problem? |
| 18:50:30 | toni1 | Camjpn: shoot |
| 18:50:45 | Camjpn | ok, |
| 18:50:56 | Camjpn | well i just loaded Rockbox onto my Gigabeat F20 |
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| 18:51:05 | Camjpn | and i wantt o sync |
| 18:51:26 | jhMikeS | I've seen it appear rotated vertically a few times, yes |
| 18:51:28 | d03boy | does anyone have a sansa e200? I am trying to figure out how I can automatically remove songs from my player which I remove from a playlist. at the current time it does not check for this |
| 18:51:32 | Camjpn | with mediamonkey, but it wont let me because mediamonkey just detects it as a hard drive and not a mp3 player |
| 18:52:36 | toni1 | Canlpn: sorry, I have no idea with F20 and mediamonkey |
| 18:52:44 | jhMikeS | I think using cached memory gets the screen writes done a little sooner though |
| 18:52:50 | Camjpn | o ok |
| 18:53:08 | Camjpn | has anyone else had problems with mediamonkey using any mp3 playeR? |
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| 18:53:32 | jhMikeS | framebuffer writes...or whatever you want to call them :) |
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| 18:54:08 | SliMM | i don't like patching, so when will JdGordon's icon thing will be commited? |
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| 18:55:16 | bernie_ | can anyone tell me how to get album art to show up on my gigabeat? |
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| 18:55:56 | SliMM | bernie_ do you have the album art patch? |
| 18:57:02 | SliMM | oh, he left |
| 18:57:08 | toni1 | jhMikeS: But the overall performance should not change by using uncached memory, right? |
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| 18:58:47 | jhMikeS | I don't know. A test would tell...it seems like the write behind is just a few pixels looking at the old mpegplayer screen garbage. |
| 18:59:21 | toni1 | ok |
| 18:59:24 | Camjpn | hey ihave a question |
| 18:59:40 | Camjpn | this might be the problem to the F20? |
| 18:59:49 | Camjpn | everytime i connect it says picture, |
| 18:59:57 | Camjpn | like show, add, etc |
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| 19:00:09 | Camjpn | how would i make it say like MP3 device |
| 19:00:51 | SliMM | Camjpn: i didn't really understaind you |
| 19:01:07 | Camjpn | yea ^^ |
| 19:01:18 | Camjpn | ok, well in windows, when u connect a USB device, |
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| 19:01:34 | SliMM | yes |
| 19:01:42 | Camjpn | it pops up a window saying |
| 19:01:43 | SliMM | what is your problem? |
| 19:01:55 | jhMikeS | it's just that it can get done and start executing code again around 32 bytes sooner or so (it looks like). |
| 19:01:57 | Camjpn | well, i cannot sync my F20 with mediamonkey |
| 19:02:07 | Camjpn | or WMP |
| 19:02:20 | Camjpn | because they dont detect it as a mp3 device |
| 19:02:49 | SliMM | since i don't know what mediamonkey is, i don't know how to help you |
| 19:03:05 | Camjpn | o well, it cant sync with WMP |
| 19:03:11 | Camjpn | so could u help me with that? |
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| 19:03:18 | SliMM | but you shoud be able to see your mp3player as a drive |
| 19:03:30 | Camjpn | yea its I drive |
| 19:03:32 | Camjpn | yes.. |
| 19:03:48 | SliMM | and just drag>drop music however you want |
| 19:04:02 | Camjpn | o thats wut u do with rockbox? |
| 19:04:08 | Camjpn | so u cannot sync with WMP or anything? |
| 19:04:23 | SliMM | yes, just like other memory stick or storing device |
| 19:04:32 | Camjpn | o ok |
| 19:04:35 | SliMM | and you can vrowse the files on your mp3player |
| 19:04:41 | SliMM | browse* |
| 19:04:52 | Camjpn | what about playlist, like i have a playlist made already? is there someway i can move it to |
| 19:04:56 | Camjpn | the drive? |
| 19:05:26 | SliMM | well, playlists are text files |
| 19:05:43 | toni1 | jhMikeS: this maybe also related to the issue with the reported e280 screen problems in the forum (top most one or two lines show garbage) |
| 19:05:50 | SliMM | you coud open up notepad and do some find and replace |
| 19:06:08 | Camjpn | o ok |
| 19:06:09 | Camjpn | thanks |
| 19:06:12 | Camjpn | =) |
| 19:06:19 | SliMM | supposing you keep the same folder structure on your mp3 playes as in your computer |
| 19:06:24 | SliMM | or a similar one |
| 19:06:44 | SliMM | do you know anything about relative paths? |
| 19:06:56 | Camjpn | uh no |
| 19:06:57 | Camjpn | :D |
| 19:07:33 | SliMM | then just put your playlist in a folder called "Playlists" on your mp3player |
| 19:08:12 | SliMM | and use '../' before the path to the mp3 file, when find&replacing |
| 19:08:36 | Camjpn | o ok |
| 19:08:54 | SliMM | if your file is in x:\music\x.mp3, in your playlist it should look like ../music/x.mp3 |
| 19:09:24 | SliMM | use slashes (/) instead of backslashes (\) |
| 19:09:24 | Camjpn | hmm |
| 19:09:25 | Camjpn | ok |
| 19:09:30 | Camjpn | k |
| 19:09:34 | SliMM | but you can create playlists in rockbox |
| 19:10:26 | SliMM | press the select button (for 1-2 sec) > playlist catalog > add to [new] playlist |
| 19:10:40 | jhMikeS | hmmm...I'd think the continued activity on the CPU would finish the writes...can't say I see garbage on any lines anymore |
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| 19:11:12 | SliMM | press the select button while the cursor is over the music file you want to add in the playlist |
| 19:12:48 | toni1 | during playback it is ok, but simply scrolling lines without playback shows the effect |
| 19:12:53 | SliMM | what do you think of some meta tags for the rockbox site |
| 19:12:55 | SliMM | ? |
| 19:13:09 | SliMM | SEO is pretty good |
| 19:13:29 | Camjpn | ok thanks |
| 19:14:14 | SliMM | camjpn: that's ok |
| 19:14:33 | Camjpn | ok so i have one last question =D |
| 19:14:40 | SliMM | please |
| 19:14:41 | Camjpn | how do i load on WPS or themes? |
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| 19:14:53 | Camjpn | like i found one−−zune one |
| 19:14:56 | Camjpn | i liked it |
| 19:15:02 | Camjpn | so how would i load this on? |
| 19:15:30 | SliMM | well, what is in the zip file? a .rockbox folder or not? |
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| 19:16:09 | Camjpn | uh one sec |
| 19:16:58 | SliMM | if it's a .rockbox folder, extract it to the root of your device (directly on the drive, x:\) |
| 19:17:20 | SliMM | if not, extract it's contents to x:\.rockbox\ |
| 19:17:39 | SliMM | by 'it' i mead the archive |
| 19:17:43 | SliMM | mean* |
| 19:18:22 | Camjpn | ok |
| 19:18:24 | Camjpn | thanks |
| 19:18:40 | Camjpn | and then once i disconnect, go to the themes, choose it |
| 19:18:42 | Camjpn | and it should work? |
| 19:18:47 | SliMM | i suppose you know how to apply it |
| 19:18:55 | SliMM | yes |
| 19:19:42 | SliMM | camjpn: wait several days, colour icons are almost in rockbox :) |
| 19:20:14 | Camjpn | ok so how do i apply it T_T |
| 19:20:22 | Camjpn | i just extracted it |
| 19:20:27 | Camjpn | into the |
| 19:20:32 | Camjpn | .rockbox file folder |
| 19:20:54 | SliMM | what was the content of your archive again? |
| 19:20:55 | SliMM | :D |
| 19:21:03 | Camjpn | wait wut T_T |
| 19:21:09 | Camjpn | it didnt have a .rockbox folder |
| 19:21:17 | Camjpn | so i extracted it to the rockbox one |
| 19:21:19 | Camjpn | like u said? |
| 19:21:26 | Camjpn | so now wut should i do? |
| 19:21:40 | SliMM | then it probably told you that the folders alrady existed, right? |
| 19:22:01 | Camjpn | hmm no |
| 19:22:05 | Camjpn | it just extracted to it |
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| 19:22:24 | Hilikus | hey guys |
| 19:22:33 | Camjpn | hey |
| 19:22:34 | SliMM | ok, please tell me the folders that were in the archive :D |
| 19:22:44 | Camjpn | that were in the zune zip folder? |
| 19:22:53 | SliMM | yes |
| 19:23:03 | Camjpn | backdrops |
| 19:23:07 | Camjpn | fonts |
| 19:23:08 | Camjpn | themese |
| 19:23:09 | Camjpn | wps |
| 19:23:29 | SliMM | perfect |
| 19:23:35 | Camjpn | ok ? |
| 19:23:38 | Camjpn | so i just extracted it |
| 19:23:46 | Camjpn | to the .rockbox folder, it went where is supposed to T_T |
| 19:23:51 | Camjpn | so should i try it out now? |
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| 19:23:54 | SliMM | yes |
| 19:24:10 | Camjpn | o wow |
| 19:24:12 | Camjpn | =D |
| 19:24:15 | Camjpn | beautiful! |
| 19:24:15 | Camjpn | XD |
| 19:24:17 | Hilikus | quick question, im plannig on setting up a development station here, ive looked at a lot of compiling tutorials for rockbox and all of them say you need either vmware or cygwin, i hate emulators, i want to do it in a real linux box but i havent found any tutorials about it, is it not possible to do it in true linux? is there a reason why it HAS TO be in vmware or cygwin? |
| 19:24:26 | pearldiver | ColdSphinX^ here? |
| 19:24:31 | Insectoid | True Linux is just dandy. |
| 19:24:44 | Camjpn | hey, but now for the album art, i got this marajuana leaf T_T |
| 19:25:08 | SliMM | you need a special rockbox build |
| 19:25:23 | Camjpn | ok well, now how do i load up some album art =D |
| 19:25:28 | SliMM | but you're better off without the album art |
| 19:25:39 | Camjpn | well, i dont want to look like a stoner T_T |
| 19:25:47 | SliMM | you find a build with album art in the forums |
| 19:25:48 | Camjpn | all the songs have a marajuana leaf as the album art |
| 19:25:56 | SliMM | that's the first step |
| 19:26:24 | SliMM | then, you just have to make album art for every album |
| 19:26:32 | Hilikus | so can i not do it with linux or what? |
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| 19:26:33 | Camjpn | -.- |
| 19:26:41 | Camjpn | wow thats a lot of work! |
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| 19:27:08 | SliMM | a .bmp (i think) file, named after the album name, filename or named "cover.bmp" |
| 19:27:16 | Camjpn | ok so i alraedy have all the album art |
| 19:27:19 | SliMM | but it isn't worth all that work |
| 19:27:23 | Camjpn | so can u explain this uploading thing |
| 19:27:23 | Camjpn | ? |
| 19:27:30 | Camjpn | or how to put it on? |
| 19:27:37 | markun | We'll probably have proper album art after the summer |
| 19:27:40 | SliMM | hilikus: you have to install linux first |
| 19:27:45 | markun | just wait until then and ejoy your music |
| 19:27:48 | Hilikus | i have linux already |
| 19:27:49 | markun | enjoy even |
| 19:27:59 | Camjpn | o ook |
| 19:28:02 | Hilikus | thats why i want to use it instead of cygwidn |
| 19:28:07 | Camjpn | but can i get rid of the default album art? |
| 19:28:09 | SliMM | good |
| 19:28:15 | Camjpn | its just 1 picture? |
| 19:28:20 | Camjpn | and i can see it in the folder WPS |
| 19:28:24 | Camjpn | do i just delete that? |
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| 19:28:49 | SliMM | camjpn, edit the images in .rockbos/wps/zune however you want |
| 19:28:59 | Camjpn | o cool |
| 19:29:06 | Insectoid | Hilikus: Just check out the source from svn, run the script as root um... rockboxdev.sh methinks from tools, then mkdir build from the rockbox dir, cd do that, ../tools/configure and make |
| 19:29:20 | Insectoid | to, not do |
| 19:29:22 | SliMM | hilikus, there should be a script somewhere to install all the tools needed for compiling |
| 19:29:24 | Hilikus | oh gruat |
| 19:29:32 | Hilikus | thanks guys |
| 19:29:44 | Camjpn | ok |
| 19:29:59 | Camjpn | now i have all this music? but i would like to put it into seperate folders by Artist? |
| 19:30:03 | SliMM | hilikus: after that, you can find all the help you need in the wiki |
| 19:30:07 | Camjpn | do i just do this in the Music folder of .Rockbox? |
| 19:30:10 | Hilikus | excellent |
| 19:30:13 | SliMM | i think that that script is in the wiki too |
| 19:30:51 | SliMM | camjpn: don't put it in the rockbox folder |
| 19:30:53 | Insectoid | Camjpn: Try musicbrainz: musicbrainz.org |
| 19:31:01 | Insectoid | It will sort your music. |
| 19:31:03 | pearldiver | would love to see this one committed: |
| 19:31:04 | pearldiver | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6697 |
| 19:31:17 | Camjpn | o ok |
| 19:31:23 | SliMM | camjpn: you can have any folder structure you want, but the .rockbox folder isn't fit for music |
| 19:31:43 | Camjpn | yea yea, i noticed =D |
| 19:31:51 | Camjpn | thanks, u guys helping me out alot |
| 19:32:20 | SliMM | camjpn: just think of yourfiles on mp3 player like on any other computer |
| 19:32:33 | Camjpn | yea |
| 19:32:39 | Camjpn | ok so this musicbrainz? |
| 19:32:43 | Camjpn | i just download and run it? |
| 19:33:26 | Hilikus | is the contacts plugin commited to the main distribution line yet? |
| 19:33:45 | SliMM | hilikus: i don't think so |
| 19:33:57 | Hilikus | ok, so ill have to compile that too |
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| 19:35:00 | SliMM | hilikus: yes. you can try out my opacity functions if you are willing to write plugins. leave feedback |
| 19:35:14 | SliMM | :d |
| 19:35:16 | SliMM | :D |
| 19:35:27 | Hilikus | las question, can you customize the menu orders in rockbox, so that you put the items that you use the most up in the list and stuff like that? |
| 19:35:37 | SliMM | Camjpn: that is for aranging your music :) |
| 19:35:46 | Camjpn | huh T_T |
| 19:35:46 | Hilikus | i am planning on writing plugins, where can i find your functions |
| 19:35:51 | Camjpn | im running it rite now |
| 19:35:57 | Camjpn | in the music folder? |
| 19:35:58 | SliMM | yes, you can, but i don't know how |
| 19:36:02 | Camjpn | of the Gigabeat |
| 19:36:07 | SliMM | camjpn :dunno |
| 19:36:13 | Camjpn | lol |
| 19:36:16 | Camjpn | hope it works |
| 19:36:17 | Camjpn | xD |
| 19:36:54 | SliMM | hilikus: in the apps folder somewhere |
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| 19:38:46 | SliMM | hilikus: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7022 |
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| 20:08:03 | PaulJam | JdGordon if you read the logs: it just came to my mind, that it is propably not such a good idea, that the height of the icons is detected automatically (assuming the height is determined by dividing the height of the bitmap by the number of icons) |
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| 20:12:58 | PaulJam | JdGordon: if new icons get added, with autodetection of the height, the old custom icons wouldn't work correctly anymore. If the height is determined by for example the filename (like someone else suggested) it would propably be possible to just not show that particular icon which is not present in the bitmap. |
| 20:13:50 | Nico_P | PaulJam: have you seen this : http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6949#comment14443 ? |
| 20:16:57 | PaulJam | Nico_P: yes, and i told Slasheri i dont think that it is neccessary to have my realname in the credits, because the patch is mainly copy and paste (from the %rr tag) |
| 20:19:38 | Nico_P | PaulJam: what did he say ? |
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| 20:20:27 | Nico_P | crap I'm already late... bye |
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| 20:22:38 | PaulJam | Nico_P: 21.28.03 # <Slasheri> PaulJam: if you really think you want to remain uncredited, i think that is then ok. But i have no idea why anyone would ever want that |
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| 20:26:26 | pearldiver | so whats gonna happen with the viewer icons? |
| 20:29:21 | PaulJam | they will propably added to the zip as .bmp file |
| 20:32:52 | pearldiver | ah |
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| 20:42:09 | BiptoN | hey there, if i were to remove the usb code in the config file for my ipod video, would it leave the usb chip off or asleep? |
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| 21:07:41 | linuxstb | Interesting email? |
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| 21:12:19 | preglow | nah, just a notice i've been added to the mentor's list, apparently |
| 21:13:01 | * | petur throws another interesting gsoc link in the channel: http://googlesummerofcode.blogspot.com/ |
| 21:14:06 | * | scorche thought people knew about that |
| 21:14:14 | linuxstb | Never assume... |
| 21:14:16 | petur | ah well |
| 21:14:30 | * | scorche shrugs |
| 21:14:36 | * | linuxstb hadn't seen it, but hasn't been looking... |
| 21:15:03 | * | scorche communicated all relevant info to people anyway |
| 21:15:45 | petur | do we need a second communication channel, like a subforum for gsoc stuff? |
| 21:16:25 | linuxstb | No, I don't think we want to separate soc from the rest of Rockbox |
| 21:16:34 | scorche | well, part of GSoC is to learn how the community functions and use their communication methods and such, so i wouldnt say so |
| 21:17:19 | linuxstb | Anyone thought about SVN access for the students? |
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| 21:17:45 | petur | austiancoder and nico_p already have |
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| 21:18:53 | preglow | haha |
| 21:18:56 | preglow | convenient |
| 21:19:04 | linuxstb | I think the others should probably get access the same way anyone else does - i.e. after other people get fed up of committing their patches... |
| 21:19:15 | petur | lol |
| 21:19:28 | scorche | for those that dont, they should use the patch tracker and....ermmm..../me sees linuxstb's line |
| 21:21:55 | preglow | linuxstb: i think i agree |
| 21:22:32 | preglow | we really shouldn't treat gsoc students any different than we do with new people |
| 21:22:34 | petur | desowin: are you TwilightSymph? |
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| 21:24:03 | ashes | does a voice like Bjrk's fall into the same ogg vorbis quality as Elvis's voice? |
| 21:24:48 | * | petur thinks Bjrks voice is way better :) |
| 21:24:48 | preglow | eh |
| 21:25:02 | ashes | its not the same spectrum |
| 21:25:05 | BiptoN | linuxstb: if you disable the usbtg in the config file for ipodvideo will it leave the chip asleep? |
| 21:25:24 | ashes | Elvis's voice should be easier to encode, because there are fewer extremes |
| 21:25:26 | desowin | petur: yes |
| 21:26:57 | petur | desowin: you have one of the largest personal texts on last.fm that I have seen up to now ;) |
| 21:27:02 | linuxstb | BiptoN: I don't know. AFAIK, the Rockbox driver puts the chip to sleep, so I don't know what happens when that code isn't run. |
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| 21:28:12 | ashes | im using -q5 for everything old, like bobby darin and queen and richie havens, and -q8 for Bjrk. but im wondering if i should bump Bjrk to -q10 |
| 21:28:22 | BiptoN | just curious if I could get rid of it and have longer battery life |
| 21:29:48 | linuxstb | BiptoN: Try it and let us know... |
| 21:30:15 | BiptoN | it won't compile when i comment out that option |
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| 21:30:27 | BiptoN | it also won't compile when i leave out the tagcache now also |
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| 22:17:49 | secleinteer | hi, does anyone know where i can download the alternate rockbox bootloader (that boots the default firmware first)? |
| 22:19:08 | Bagder | not from any rockbox official place |
| 22:19:41 | petur | ok if I close this one? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6947 |
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| 22:22:28 | scorche | BiptoN: what about leaving out tagcache? |
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| 22:25:54 | BiptoN | when i comment it out it won't build |
| 22:25:57 | BiptoN | gives me an error |
| 22:27:20 | scorche | hmph... |
| 22:27:29 | * | scorche plans out a bit of checking |
| 22:29:41 | BiptoN | it gives me an error when i comment out usbotg also |
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| 22:31:49 | davina | with the new RTC tokens in place, how easy would it be to make some of them conditional. such as %cw, it returns a value 0 to 6 where 0 is equivalent to Sunday and 6 Saturday. On it's own this value isnt very useable, but as a conditional such as %?cw<%xdA|%xdB|%xdC|%xdD|%xdE|%xdF|%xdG> it would be some much more useful |
| 22:32:58 | midgey | petur: i think that can be closed |
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| 22:40:20 | petur | must be saturday evening |
| 22:40:41 | davina | you are correct in that assumption |
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| 23:18:35 | job_ | anyone here? |
| 23:19:03 | petur | nope |
| 23:20:15 | job_ | hey |
| 23:21:35 | job_ | you wouldn't happen to know anything about the mp3 encoder chip (MAS3587F) would you? |
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| 23:21:54 | petur | sorry |
| 23:23:16 | job_ | yeah no problem, I've been trying to talk to the manufacture but they're being elusive... |
| 23:26:13 | jhMikeS | The datasheet is available so what's the problem? I don't really know much about it though. |
| 23:31:27 | job_ | I have the datasheet, I can't get the chip to power up consistently. I think it may be a problem with how I'm doing the power-on reset but the datasheet has about two sentences on it. |
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| 23:32:19 | jhMikeS | ah, amiconn would probably be your man to talk to on this one |
| 23:33:42 | linuxstb_ | Have you looked at the Rockbox source? |
| 23:37:00 | job_ | yeah the reset code looks similar to mine. Do you know how I could get ahold of amiconn? or would the forums and mailinglist be the best option? |
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| 23:37:26 | petur | amiconn is online here a lot |
| 23:37:28 | linuxstb_ | Here's here often, so your best option is to just wait until he reads the logs |
| 23:37:59 | linuxstb_ | LinusN is probably worth asking as well if he appears. |
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| 23:43:16 | job_ | cool, thanks. |
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| 23:48:34 | rift | hi |
| 23:49:19 | rift | i want to take screen of rockbox like that http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpodNano |
| 23:49:29 | rift | anybody know ? |
| 23:49:56 | Llorean | Turn on the screen capture option in the Debug menu. Then, every time you plug in USB it'll take a screendump. |
| 23:50:04 | Llorean | Turn it off when you're ready to use USB like normal again |
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| 23:50:18 | rift | ok |
| 23:50:20 | rift | thx |
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