| 00:00:43 | joshin | jhMikeS: thanks so much for the e200 work. It is rather fun watching the port progress with each SVN commit and reading about it here. |
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| 00:13:08 | AceNik | hey ive finished the programming part of my new wps based on vista , i need someone's help on the graphics |
| 00:14:51 | AceNik | can anyone also uide me to make a patch for setting a menu font , & browser font , like the user decides which font he wants |
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| 00:21:28 | jhMikeS | joshin: hey np...always glad to hear things are working |
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| 00:29:19 | habana | wow, i'm amazed by the work done on sansa target since one or two weeks. |
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| 00:30:23 | habana | plugins are really more stable and faster than before, congrats |
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| 00:32:01 | daniel2023 | i'll also chime in −− thanks to everyone for the great work on the sansa port - i love using rockbox and hang on every new development and improvement |
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| 00:32:21 | DarkSoul | rawr. |
| 00:33:00 | DarkSoul | you guys should get SVN updating for rockbox |
| 00:33:01 | DarkSoul | x.x |
| 00:33:31 | Llorean | What? |
| 00:34:20 | DarkSoul | that or a little less confusing download page x.x |
| 00:34:44 | Insectoid | DarkSoul... We have svn... |
| 00:35:03 | DarkSoul | really now |
| 00:35:10 | DarkSoul | *looks around* |
| 00:35:18 | Llorean | DarkSoul: What *exactly* are you asking for. We've been on SVN for a while, and the download page just requires you look for a picture of your device... |
| 00:35:45 | habana | personally happy with daily current build, svn is good for regular hackers |
| 00:36:13 | Llorean | habana: "Daily" and "current" are two different things |
| 00:36:22 | Llorean | Please don't refer to the current build as the daily, or the daily build as current. |
| 00:36:27 | habana | ok |
| 00:36:31 | DarkSoul | Well right now it its hard to tell when each ipod information was actually changed. |
| 00:36:42 | jimbobuk | hi folks... I'm on the look out for a new "mp3" player and am seriously considering buying one to mod with rockbox... whats the best actual player to use now or in the near future? |
| 00:36:45 | Llorean | habana: The daily build is only made once per day, as an archive, the current build is made every SVN update |
| 00:37:05 | DarkSoul | the list tells which errors are still present and junk... |
| 00:37:06 | Llorean | DarkSoul: Look at the very front page of the site: See the changelog? Any time that changes, do does the current build... |
| 00:37:46 | Llorean | What does the error table have to do with SVN or dowloads? That's compiler output, and completely irrelevant to most normal users. |
| 00:37:53 | habana | Llorean: o know but meant "personally happy with downloaded current build each day of my life" ;) |
| 00:38:09 | Insectoid | jimbobuk: Look at the different port's pages. See which are the most stable, the most featured. I personally am quite happy with my iPod 5g. |
| 00:38:16 | Llorean | jimbobuk: In relationship to what's available, I'd suggest the Gigabeat F or X series |
| 00:38:29 | Llorean | The iPods still have a long way to go before they're as good as the other Rockbox players. |
| 00:38:36 | DarkSoul | more of the fact that i'd rather only download when something effecting overall performance or fixes+additions for ipod video not to find out when you |
| 00:38:42 | DarkSoul | change anything on any system. x.x |
| 00:38:44 | jimbobuk | thanks guys |
| 00:38:49 | Llorean | DarkSoul: Then learn to read. |
| 00:39:02 | Llorean | DarkSoul: Most things affect all targets, there are very, VERY few just-iPod changes. |
| 00:39:23 | Llorean | And it'd be a waste of developer time to spend time sorting out which changes affect exactly which targets every time any little thing changes. |
| 00:39:38 | safetydan | and if there are iPod specific changes, the commit message tends to mention them (or at least say "arm" or "portalplayer") |
| 00:39:46 | Llorean | Yep |
| 00:39:56 | jimbobuk | i'm torn really. still using my creative jukebox3 which i modded with a 60gig drive years ago.. I make binaural field recordings using it, though haven't for years... I used to be a big fan of the MPC format and may be tempted to use it on rockbox to keep sizes down... would love to mod the player with a large ~150gig ... could then be tempted to using .flac though i guess that would be a real battery hit. |
| 00:40:31 | Llorean | jimbobuk: There are no Rockbox players than can be upgraded greater than 80gb and also support FLAC at the moment |
| 00:40:44 | Llorean | All software codec players use either microdrives, 1.8" HDs, or flash |
| 00:41:07 | jimbobuk | oh right, wasn't aware of that |
| 00:41:25 | safetydan | flac isn't much of a battery hit, though disk spinup because of larger files is |
| 00:41:55 | jimbobuk | are quoted battery lives generally best case where potentially hardware playback of mp3 is being done, such that if i did use MPC for example, it being decoded in software would cause a hit? |
| 00:42:06 | jimbobuk | yeah its the spin ups that would worry i guess. |
| 00:43:08 | jimbobuk | why is it that software codec players use those storage types.. nothing inherent in the process just those are the machines that have the most powerful CPUs or more developed rockbox firmware? |
| 00:43:42 | Llorean | jimbobuk: None of the targets that play MPC use hardware playback. |
| 00:44:11 | Llorean | The players that use software playback are more modern. Modern players tend to emphasize physical player size over storage capacity. |
| 00:45:40 | jimbobuk | right ok... I'll try to pick my way through the page of players then... to be honest I went looking for a 3.5" hdd based version to use at work.. I DO use my PC but it would be cleaner if i could use a player on my desk.. the 3.5" would allow up to 500gig .. sadly it seems no such device exists, though some can work they're mostly targeted to video playback in a hdd caddy, and as such dont really work nicely without an attached tv. |
| 00:45:48 | DarkSoul | Yeah, im talking more of an SVN for users so they can easily update, not get all the source and everything. Something more that would update with compiled stuff. |
| 00:46:11 | Llorean | DarkSoul: That doesn't make *any* sense. |
| 00:46:19 | Llorean | DarkSoul: For a user to easily update, download the current rockbox.zip for your player. |
| 00:46:24 | DarkSoul | OKay... |
| 00:46:26 | Llorean | How much easier than that can you get? |
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| 00:46:42 | DarkSoul | i have SVN which i originally got to update a game i play |
| 00:47:01 | Llorean | SVN is a source-code revision control system. |
| 00:47:01 | DarkSoul | instead of downloading the whole file over and over again |
| 00:47:40 | DarkSoul | only if you have it managed like that. |
| 00:47:47 | Llorean | No, that's what it's *for* |
| 00:47:50 | Llorean | That's what it was programmed to do |
| 00:47:51 | DarkSoul | i know |
| 00:47:52 | DarkSoul | lol |
| 00:47:57 | Llorean | Rockbox is binary files |
| 00:48:12 | DarkSoul | okay |
| 00:48:17 | Llorean | The binaries would need to be redownloaded each time |
| 00:48:20 | DarkSoul | how about i show you instead of trying to explain |
| 00:48:29 | Llorean | No, I know what you mean |
| 00:48:31 | safetydan | DarkSoul: if you're talking about providing just the binary files that changed between builds that would just make things complicated. |
| 00:48:32 | Llorean | It wouldn't work for Rockbox. |
| 00:48:40 | safetydan | Grabbing one file and unzipping all of it is much simpler. |
| 00:48:52 | Llorean | Any recompiled binary would seem to be a new file |
| 00:49:07 | Llorean | SVN would end up downloading all of Rockbox one file at a time rather than as one smaller, single ip |
| 00:49:08 | Llorean | zip |
| 00:49:08 | DarkSoul | oh joy the websites down i cant show you. |
| 00:49:15 | Llorean | DarkSoul: You assume we're stupid. |
| 00:49:19 | Llorean | We know what you're talking about |
| 00:49:25 | Llorean | It doesn't work when EVERY file changes each compile |
| 00:49:41 | Llorean | It only works when you can manually or automatically denote which files have changed: There is no good way to do this with Rockbox. |
| 00:50:02 | DarkSoul | x.x |
| 00:50:36 | DarkSoul | never mind too much work and im not in the mood |
| 00:51:17 | Llorean | Not in the mood to create a vast automatic system to detect changes in binary files and maintain multiple SVN branches so that only those files that are different in binary are sent to users? |
| 00:51:56 | DarkSoul | its more of the fact that you have to go onto the website every day check if anything worth downloading has happened |
| 00:52:26 | DarkSoul | instead of just having SVN the whole file every day when i start up my computer i dont care if it download everything |
| 00:52:41 | Llorean | Then make a simple tool to download the .zip every day. |
| 00:52:58 | Llorean | Get the RSS feed of the changelog, so your RSS reader tells you if there's interesting changes. |
| 00:53:08 | Llorean | Pick a simple solution, rather than trying to invent a complicated one. |
| 00:53:08 | Llorean | :) |
| 00:53:23 | TrueJournals_ | There's a RSS feed of the changelog? |
| 00:53:52 | Llorean | There's a couple |
| 00:53:56 | Llorean | I suggest this one: sexxxyoungcouple |
| 00:53:59 | Llorean | Dammit |
| 00:54:03 | TrueJournals_ | lol |
| 00:54:05 | Llorean | http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/rockbox/.rss |
| 00:54:15 | safetydan | DarkSoul: stick "curl -O http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipodvideo/rockbox.zip" in a cron job that runs daily then |
| 00:54:17 | Llorean | Such is life. |
| 00:54:24 | TrueJournals_ | Neat! |
| 00:54:25 | TrueJournals_ | Thanks |
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| 00:54:32 | Llorean | Anyway, the one that's actually an RSS feed works nicely |
| 00:54:40 | Llorean | There's an 'official' RSS feed, but I find it kinda sucks |
| 00:54:55 | Llorean | I want to find out who set up the navi.cx site, because I want to make sure it doesn't vanish |
| 00:55:23 | TrueJournals | Oooohhh... that is a very nice feed :-D |
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| 00:55:35 | Llorean | It's clear and concise. |
| 00:55:40 | DarkSoul | Except then i have to unzip and everything which i wont remember to do |
| 00:55:48 | DarkSoul | and i'll end up wasting twice the bandwidth |
| 00:56:19 | safetydan | Hah, according to that cia site, there's an average of 1.87 hours between commits |
| 00:56:23 | Llorean | DarkSoul: I thought you said you didn't care if it downloaded everything. |
| 00:56:39 | safetydan | so to ensure that you always get the latest update, your cron job should run every two hours :) |
| 00:56:57 | DarkSoul | Yeah llorean |
| 00:56:59 | Llorean | safetydan: You'll still miss one or two every now and then. |
| 00:57:02 | DarkSoul | if i dont unzip it |
| 00:57:06 | DarkSoul | then it is wasted bandwidth |
| 00:57:08 | DarkSoul | ;) |
| 00:57:33 | Llorean | So make it unzip as well |
| 00:57:39 | Llorean | No matter what you're going to have to copy it to the player |
| 00:57:47 | safetydan | DarkSoul: so what you're after is some sort of tool that will automatically update your Rockbox install? But only if there's something interesting to you? |
| 00:58:02 | Llorean | And only if his player is plugged in, apparently, so that he can't forget to copy it over. |
| 00:59:07 | TrueJournals | Just an idea... couldn't you make a tool that when you plug in your player, it will update it automatically? |
| 00:59:31 | DarkSoul | Not exactly safety, id rather it up to date, but right now im only doing it when something interesting happens or the fact that its a month old |
| 00:59:43 | DarkSoul | Yeah true thats kinda what i was thinking |
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| 01:00:05 | Llorean | Then make a tool that gets the .zip and extracts it when you plug in your player? |
| 01:00:05 | DarkSoul | or with SVN i could of just right clicked and told it when to update. |
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| 01:00:40 | Llorean | DarkSoul: SVN wouldn't work, I told you. It'd be exactly the same as redownloading the .zip, just having to download multiple files instead of one, multiple uncompressed files. |
| 01:01:04 | BHSPitMonkey | Llorean, sexxxyyoungcouple?? |
| 01:01:21 | DarkSoul | well why would you recompile every file if nothing changed in it |
| 01:01:23 | TrueJournals | Plus, with SVN you'd then have to have your computer compile it... making an all-around slower process |
| 01:01:24 | Llorean | BHSPitMonkey: I could go through the hassle of explaining the conversation that led to that being in my clipboard, but you wouldn't believe me anyway. ;) |
| 01:01:25 | DarkSoul | then it would be the same size. |
| 01:01:36 | BHSPitMonkey | Llorean, you're right |
| 01:01:40 | BHSPitMonkey | ... proceed |
| 01:01:47 | Llorean | DarkSoul: The same size does not guarantee the same contents. |
| 01:02:23 | Llorean | DarkSoul: Rockbox uses a distributed build system. Every file is compiled fresh, because it's not always compiled on the same computer, and it ensure that changes don't get missed by bad dependencies. |
| 01:02:43 | Llorean | DarkSoul: So, every update, every file is "new", the only way to verify it's not new is with a checksum or binary comparison with an old file. |
| 01:02:43 | safetydan | DarkSoul: I'm a little confused about your statement "with svn I could just right click". Subversion is a command line program on most systems. |
| 01:02:45 | DarkSoul | not quiet sure of the options on the other end of the SVN but couldnt you have last updated time instead of size |
| 01:03:00 | Llorean | DarkSoul: The time is always new as well, as I said. |
| 01:03:03 | Llorean | DarkSoul: Please, pay attention. |
| 01:03:13 | Llorean | The files are "new" every build. |
| 01:03:16 | DarkSoul | I was in the middle of typing when you said that |
| 01:03:16 | DarkSoul | ;D |
| 01:03:23 | Llorean | Then don't hit enter... |
| 01:03:41 | TrueJournals | DarkSoul: Ah, so you only want it to even download if there's a newer build than you have? |
| 01:04:27 | DarkSoul | safetydan, if you get a more complex version of SVN like TourtiseSVN, it checks each file for a later version |
| 01:04:30 | Llorean | BHSPitMonkey: Simply put, the easiest way to make sure you don't make a typo while setting usernames for a ban is to copy and paste that username around. :) |
| 01:04:35 | DarkSoul | and puts an X or check mark over it |
| 01:04:43 | DarkSoul | depending if its up to date. |
| 01:04:44 | Llorean | Though this one wasn't relative to the Rockbox forums. |
| 01:04:57 | DarkSoul | Then you can right click on a file or folder and update it. |
| 01:05:02 | TrueJournals | Trying to sort through the conversation here, you want something that will, when you plug in your DAP, check if there is a newer revision of rockbox, if there is, download it and extract it to your player, all automatically? |
| 01:05:08 | Llorean | DarkSoul: And it's irrelevant, it would think all the files are new. |
| 01:05:10 | safetydan | DarkSoul: yes... it's called typing "svn update" on the command line. Tortoise is just awrapper around the command line (or svn library) tools. |
| 01:05:38 | safetydan | or actually "svn status" but anyway |
| 01:05:41 | DarkSoul | I know safety |
| 01:06:01 | Llorean | DarkSoul: Does your client not have tab completion? |
| 01:06:24 | DarkSoul | ? |
| 01:06:46 | Llorean | Well you don't seem to type out whole names, which suggests you either don't have tab completion, or don't use it. |
| 01:06:51 | Llorean | Try typing safe and hitting tab. |
| 01:06:54 | safetydan | basically when compiling things we can't be certain that a binary file hasn't been affected by a change so there's no easy way to say "just update speex.codec because that's all that changed" for example |
| 01:07:32 | DarkSoul | oh yeah i know i just dont like doing that because i start to get lazy and end up saying someone else's name |
| 01:08:28 | DarkSoul | any people who have annoying little scripts that notify them with a beep or anything when they're name is said |
| 01:08:47 | DarkSoul | end up coming to check on something thats no really needed. |
| 01:09:12 | Llorean | DarkSoul: And people who work on things in other windows and wait for this window to flash to show you've responded don't know that you have without checking back constantly. |
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| 01:10:57 | DarkSoul | Llorean Well sorry, i'll try doing this. |
| 01:11:25 | safetydan | So anyway, DarkSoul, your idea seems like it would be a net win, it would be incredibly complicated to do and prone to breaking easily. |
| 01:11:48 | Llorean | Prone to break easily, and probably put a lot more load on the SVN server. |
| 01:12:29 | daniel2023 | kinda like windows |
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| 01:16:18 | safetydan | it might work for other projects that have a single build server and only one or two targets, but not for Rockbox |
| 01:17:11 | Llorean | safetydan: Well I imagine if a game uses it, a lot of the files are also resources, or scripts, both things SVN can manage a lot better since they're human updated rather than compiled. |
| 01:20:10 | safetydan | Llorean: true |
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| 01:29:15 | jimbobuk | Llorean, do you have a gigabeat player for your rockbox player? |
| 01:29:31 | Llorean | jimbobuk: I've got several Rockbox players, one of them is a Gigabeat yes. |
| 01:29:37 | TrueJournals | JdGordon: I'm glad you're here... I'm still having trouble with your loadable icons patch, and it's even worse right now |
| 01:29:46 | JdGordon | ? |
| 01:30:00 | jimbobuk | Llorean: heh.. what are your others? :) |
| 01:30:18 | TrueJournals | I apply the patch, update my build (I even delete the .rockbox directory), but when I go to the quick menu for a bmp file, the option use as iconset isn't there |
| 01:30:31 | TrueJournals | Even if I load a theme file that should change the iconset, nothing happens |
| 01:30:35 | Llorean | jimbobuk: Archos Recorder V1, iHP-120, iPod Nano, Sandisk Sansa e270, and Gigabeat F40 |
| 01:30:36 | jimbobuk | Llorean: It looks good.. its not complete i gather from the page, are any ports i wonder.. not sure how you can get hold of them though, i'll start googling. |
| 01:30:50 | Llorean | jimbobuk: "not complete"? |
| 01:31:01 | jimbobuk | and u prefer the F40 over the others at the end of the day |
| 01:31:10 | JdGordon | TrueJournals: you have to load from the config file now |
| 01:31:11 | jimbobuk | well i was trying to find pages for the ports.. found the gigabeat one i think |
| 01:31:20 | jimbobuk | and it just said some things were at less than 100% |
| 01:31:25 | jimbobuk | LCD driver |
| 01:31:27 | jimbobuk | USB |
| 01:31:32 | Llorean | That just means it's not as good as we'd like it. |
| 01:31:53 | TrueJournals | JdGordon: Ah, OK, didn't realize that... but as I said, even loading from the config file seems to do nothing... |
| 01:31:56 | Llorean | Every aspect of Rockbox on Gigabeat is better than the original firmware, for example. Except that you can't yet hook up digital cameras or external hard disk and browse / copy from them. |
| 01:32:04 | Llorean | And no WMA support. |
| 01:32:05 | markun | jimbobuk: also, we didn't really update those numbers :) |
| 01:32:15 | JdGordon | TrueJournals: send me your config file |
| 01:32:27 | odz | is there any noticable improvement with the sound quality going from apples firmware to rockbox? (5.5g video) |
| 01:32:28 | jimbobuk | markun: what when things get fixed that page goes a bit stale? :) |
| 01:33:01 | jimbobuk | coming from the position of buying brand new, the gigabeat is the best choice tho for rockbox functionality, sound quality, battery life etc.. |
| 01:33:21 | Llorean | odz: Depends, Rockbox itself can't magically make the hardware better, but we do have more in the way of Equalizer flexibility |
| 01:33:32 | markun | jimbobuk: yes, but it doesn't have radio and recording |
| 01:33:59 | jimbobuk | i've done some googling and noticed that there is a variety of options for supporting submitting your playing habits to last.fm.. this would be a nice feature for me as i listen at work and my last.fm handle goes stale with no updates. |
| 01:34:17 | TrueJournals | http://pastebin.ca/440347 |
| 01:34:19 | Llorean | jimbobuk: Rockbox has last.fm support, yes. |
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| 01:34:28 | TrueJournals | JdGordon: http://pastebin.ca/440347 |
| 01:34:48 | JdGordon | TrueJournals: icons must be in /.rockbox/icons/ |
| 01:34:52 | jimbobuk | markun: radio and recording may interest me, but perhaps even in another player.. tbh my jukebox3 will hopefully still work, and it works recording into 48khz PCM.. its only really its form factor and battery life (even with the two batteries) thats a bit lacking |
| 01:34:59 | JdGordon | and the icon height setting isnt needed anymore |
| 01:35:03 | TrueJournals | ok |
| 01:35:05 | TrueJournals | let me try that |
| 01:35:10 | PaulJam | JdGordon: have you read the irc logs? i wrote something to you earlier. |
| 01:35:22 | JdGordon | not yet |
| 01:35:22 | jimbobuk | Llorean: thats good to know on last.fm support.. and thats just in there from the beginning or is that something that i'd download a plugin/patch compile in to get it to work? |
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| 01:37:14 | Llorean | jimbobuk: When I say "Rockbox supports blah" it means it's built in. :) |
| 01:37:35 | TrueJournals | Hooray :-D Worked... but it didn't change the icon height correctly... Do I just need to change to a font that will have the correct height? |
| 01:38:34 | jimbobuk | Llorean: great.. |
| 01:38:43 | JdGordon | TrueJournals: yes |
| 01:38:57 | JdGordon | PaulJam: well, your right, but fr convienience, its better to ato-detect |
| 01:39:00 | TrueJournals | JdGordon: Thanks for the help :-D |
| 01:39:07 | midkay | JdGordon: that'll be fixed, right? |
| 01:39:57 | JdGordon | what will? |
| 01:39:58 | jimbobuk | I'm a bit of a hifi/headphone nut but i guess i'm kind of in remission.. i realise its a highly subjective thing audio quality.. but at a glance would you say the gigabeat sounds fine.. good even.. i take it the amp will be allowed to operate at full power under rockbox firmware rather than official mp3 players in the EU having the EU volume cap applied.. (great in theory to protect kiddies ears, but not so much when u want to use differe |
| 01:39:58 | jimbobuk | impedance headphones with your hardware) |
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| 01:40:44 | midkay | JdGordon: as it soundsfrom what TrueJournals said, if the icons are larger than the font they'll be clipped or overlapping? |
| 01:41:06 | Llorean | jimbobuk: Yes, Rockbox doesn't have any arbitrary volume limitations. |
| 01:41:07 | JdGordon | yes, its not up tot he icon drawing code to positions them orrectly |
| 01:41:28 | JdGordon | and its too ard for this to happen in the list.. well, easly... |
| 01:41:29 | Llorean | jimbobuk: And the sound quality on the Gigabeat is decent. |
| 01:41:44 | markun | some even claim it's great |
| 01:41:53 | midkay | JdGordon: i guess it would be a little hard to code.. alright. never mind. :) |
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| 01:42:56 | jimbobuk | and there aren't any real differences between a gigabeat F or X .. i guess if you can use the same rockbox firmware that speaks volumes.. a wikipedia page claims that they have OLED screen tech.. so getting an F60 or X60 isn't really a big decision. |
| 01:43:23 | markun | jimbobuk: that wikipedia article is full of shit |
| 01:43:48 | markun | only the flash based Gigabeats have a OLED display, maybe that confused the guy how wrote that |
| 01:44:48 | toffe82 | jimbobuk: the X has a bigger screen and is smaller in size |
| 01:44:56 | jimbobuk | i take it the skins as well can drastically change the operation of your player, or is it generally just an asthetic thing.. be interested to see how it works, you know how you use it.. obviously an ipod interface is pretty slick.. my aging jukebox3 is a bit clunky.. but it did do playlists on the player years before the pod, and i do like how you can step back through pages, so go from now playing, now playing playlist, and back into the |
| 01:44:56 | jimbobuk | artist/album pages you came from.. popping them off a stack... is there a document, anim, mockup anywhere showing how it works to do things in rockbox. |
| 01:45:04 | jimbobuk | sorry, typing too much and my client is splitting lines |
| 01:45:20 | jimbobuk | markun: heh.. i did wonder about that. |
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| 01:45:25 | markun | jimbobuk: also, so far the X users reported a lower runtime, but we don't know if that was just coincidence |
| 01:45:35 | markun | compared to the F |
| 01:45:49 | midkay | jimbobuk: it will work the same, themes are just aesthetic. |
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| 01:46:10 | jimbobuk | are the batteries in either something that you can replace once they get exhausted. |
| 01:46:10 | toffe82 | markun: the X is in the box of the S so the battery is smaller , I will confirm when I will receive mine |
| 01:46:46 | jimbobuk | hmm battery life is a good thing, that may tempt me to an F |
| 01:46:53 | markun | toffe82: I know that the X' battery is 830mAh, do you have any idea how much the one in the F is? |
| 01:47:19 | markun | jimbobuk: I don't hink they are easy to replace |
| 01:47:30 | jimbobuk | what kind of prices are we looking at paying for these things.. the F is discontinued now isn't it? the X was only available in eastern markets (again according to that wikipedia page) |
| 01:47:34 | markun | but maybe we find batteries from another device which work as well |
| 01:48:05 | markun | 2 days ago 4000 Gigabeat F40's were sold for 99 USD each |
| 01:48:15 | joshin | The 40G F-series was just on Amazon (& Office Depot) for $100 |
| 01:48:19 | joshin | I ordered 1 |
| 01:48:20 | markun | but normally it's not so easy to find new ones |
| 01:48:34 | Llorean | joshin: You'll get notification it's out of stock. |
| 01:48:43 | Llorean | joshin: Office Depot's been out of stock since Wed. |
| 01:48:49 | joshin | So there are going to be a flood of them on eBay within a week |
| 01:49:30 | jimbobuk | ahh sorry, i'm in the UK too |
| 01:49:35 | Llorean | jimbobuk: Expect about US $180 for a new one from a retailer, as low as US $70 if you find it on ebay and bidding doesn't get bad. |
| 01:49:39 | jimbobuk | just found an F60 but it was EXPENSIVE |
| 01:49:48 | Llorean | Those prices I listed are for F40s, btw. |
| 01:49:53 | jimbobuk | right |
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| 01:50:05 | jimbobuk | and u can upgrade the drive to 80gig? or thats not for this player? |
| 01:50:31 | markun | should be possible |
| 01:50:43 | markun | but take care that you don't buy the one with the ZIF connector |
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| 01:51:10 | jimbobuk | whats that and how could you tell? |
| 01:51:27 | markun | toffe82: which one should he buy? |
| 01:51:49 | Llorean | MK8007 I believe. |
| 01:51:55 | Llorean | Er MK8007GAH, right? |
| 01:52:06 | toffe82 | yes |
| 01:52:38 | Llorean | Toshiba 80gb ATA-100 1.8" dual platter, it's basically the big brother of the 40gb drive Toshiba tends to use. |
| 01:54:40 | jimbobuk | ah sorry, when buying replacement hdd.. gotcha |
| 01:55:12 | jimbobuk | and potentially if they release a larger size one with the same connector in the future it may be possible to stick one of those in as well |
| 01:56:03 | joshin | $732 for that drive on eBay (item 120099065349). I feel sore just from reading the listing. |
| 01:56:21 | Llorean | joshin: You can find 'em for less, and will be able to much moreso in the near future. |
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| 01:56:44 | joshin | Oh, I know. I was just shocked to see it listed for that much. |
| 01:56:58 | Llorean | joshin: CNET shopper lists it at $500 |
| 01:57:18 | jimbobuk | i see one coming soon in a local shop |
| 01:57:43 | jimbobuk | its perpendicular magnetic recording type.. very modern |
| 01:57:49 | Llorean | jimbobuk: Basically, as long as the connector and interface are fine. |
| 01:58:07 | Llorean | jimbobuk: Just watch the Toshiba MK-blah series, and make sure they're not the ZIF ones (Zero Insertion Force connector) |
| 01:58:46 | Llorean | The Gigabeat F40 and above expect a dual platter disk, the F20 and below expect single platter (this affects the disk's size slightly, which would result in it not fitting, too loose or tight) |
| 01:59:09 | jimbobuk | right |
| 01:59:34 | jimbobuk | well trying to do some ebay browsing but it looks mostly US based.. complete with the import duty and this one guy atm saying no warranty beyond DOA |
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| 02:01:10 | toffe82 | jimbobuk: where do you live ? |
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| 02:04:04 | jimbobuk | toffe82: in the UK |
| 02:04:19 | jimbobuk | hence the suffix :) |
| 02:04:47 | toffe82 | :) |
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| 02:07:14 | JdGordon | PaulJam: well, i thought about removing the autoheight, and it sorta does mak sense, although it would only alow new builds to load older bmps... not the other way around |
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| 02:24:04 | AceNik | can anyone tell me how to simulate the hold on/off button & hdd led in the simulator & how to take screenshots |
| 02:25:08 | tchan | screenshots would be a function provided by some other gui tool other than rockbox. scrot works nicely here. Your distro probably provides one of many choices. |
| 02:25:19 | safetydan | AceNik: hold I think is the 'h' key |
| 02:25:53 | AceNik | safetydan: thanks 'h' works |
| 02:26:00 | safetydan | j for remote hold |
| 02:26:03 | rotator | AceNik: IIRC the 0 numpad key makes a screen dump |
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| 02:26:29 | AceNik | can any one tell me if i have resized n made some changes to a wps , what should i do to get it approved , like onsult the main author , or what |
| 02:26:31 | JdGordon | f5 for screenshots |
| 02:26:44 | AceNik | cool thanks a lot guys |
| 02:26:56 | JdGordon | you cant simulate the hdd activity tho.. i dont tinhk the led is "wired up" :p |
| 02:27:18 | AceNik | k |
| 02:27:43 | TrueJournals | JdGordon: I'm trying to make a custom icon set... do you have a rundown of what each icon is? |
| 02:28:21 | JdGordon | apps/gui/incon.h |
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| 02:28:58 | AceNik | TrueJournals: there is a patch in the sparay section on icon sets |
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| 02:30:36 | TrueJournals | JdGordon: Arggg... closed the room on accident... what was that file again? |
| 02:30:43 | JdGordon | apps/gui/incon.h |
| 02:30:49 | JdGordon | gui/icon.h |
| 02:30:55 | TrueJournals | ok, thanks |
| 02:30:58 | * | JdGordon back in 20 |
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| 02:33:58 | AceNik | uys i have re-done the cabbie theme of the ipod originally for gigabeat for the h10[20GB] do i need to trake permission to modify it , & post it for the h10 |
| 02:36:36 | jimbobuk | Llorean mentioned that rockbox supported last.fm .. how does that work? is there a program you run in windows that talks to the rockbox player and uploads to last.fm? |
| 02:38:06 | spiorf | jimbobuk, i use this http://paulstead.com/scrob/ |
| 02:38:32 | AceNik | jimbobuk: you need to enable last fm support in your player , read manual for that , then after that , a .scrobbler file is create din the root of your player , use the link above to upload that file information to your account |
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| 02:43:44 | jimbobuk | spiorf: thanks i'd seen that earlier.. i guess the only issue would be one of putting your details into a remote webpage.. u appear to be able to get the php yourself so you could put it on your own site if you needed |
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| 03:27:45 | aliask | JdGordon: With the viewers icons, is the first one the folder thing, or the chip8 icon? |
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| 03:30:29 | JdGordon | aliask: the chip8 icon should be the first in the viewers |
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| 03:30:46 | JdGordon | and the .icons file starts at 1 not 0 |
| 03:30:52 | JdGordon | (and the viewers.config) |
| 03:31:40 | aliask | What's the .icons file? |
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| 03:32:08 | aliask | Oh, nvm |
| 03:32:30 | JdGordon | the not-really-documented way to give an extension an icon |
| 03:32:37 | JdGordon | daurnimator: stilll wanna swap today? |
| 03:32:49 | daurnimator | yeah, sure |
| 03:33:02 | aliask | Swap? |
| 03:33:11 | JdGordon | drugs... |
| 03:33:12 | JdGordon | :D |
| 03:33:16 | funky | :D |
| 03:33:28 | aliask | Don't forget your trenchcoat and shady glasses |
| 03:33:55 | aliask | By the way, I found my H300 remote (after I sold the player)... anyone want it? |
| 03:33:59 | ze | aliask: what're you an 80's DARE commercial? |
| 03:34:00 | ze | :p |
| 03:34:21 | aliask | :) |
| 03:34:26 | ze | don't forget your trash can lid with the selection neatly arranged and glued to the inside |
| 03:34:29 | ze | :p |
| 03:35:00 | aliask | Sneaky. I'll have to remember that one for next time. |
| 03:35:37 | JdGordon | aliask: lcd or non-lcd one? |
| 03:36:16 | aliask | Well... both really. I got a h100 for $30 two days ago |
| 03:37:02 | JdGordon | a h100 or the remote for a h100? $30 is cheap1 |
| 03:37:27 | aliask | Both. It was pretty badly scratched up, and the OF wasn't booting properly. Rockbox works fine :) |
| 03:38:25 | JdGordon | :) |
| 03:39:54 | JdGordon | aliask: why so many double ups in your viewer.bmp? |
| 03:40:16 | aliask | I got lazy. MIDI, Wavview, VBRFIX |
| 03:40:57 | aliask | They're all audio IMO... |
| 03:40:58 | JdGordon | you should only have 1 version and map all those plugins to the same icon... that way you get to put more in your bmp |
| 03:41:18 | JdGordon | infact, if they just use the inbuilt audio icon you dont need them at all... |
| 03:41:29 | aliask | Yeah, that's what I was thinking... |
| 03:41:33 | JdGordon | just use b<number> in the icons file |
| 03:41:42 | aliask | Oh is that what that is. |
| 03:41:44 | * | JdGordon hopes someone will start a wiki page |
| 03:41:51 | aliask | I thought that was hex or something... |
| 03:42:14 | JdGordon | no, b<number> for inbuilt, <number> for viewers.bmp, and - for none |
| 03:42:28 | aliask | Cool |
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| 03:49:24 | AceNik | hey guys i made changes to the cabie theme, how do i notify the author & upload the new one for the h10[20GB] |
| 03:51:04 | JdGordon | aliask: is the 5th icon down supposed to be an old-school movie reel? |
| 03:52:26 | aliask | Yep |
| 03:52:48 | aliask | Also, are the base (b0 etc) 0 based? And the viewers 1 based? |
| 03:53:41 | JdGordon | both are 0 based |
| 03:53:53 | JdGordon | just fixed that (new file being uploaded in a min) |
| 03:53:59 | aliask | Ok. |
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| 03:57:11 | daurnimator | JdGordon: where, when, (what, who, how much :) ) |
| 03:57:21 | Lady | Hello |
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| 04:00:18 | Nico_P | JdGordon: I love the loadable icons patch ! |
| 04:00:20 | aliask | JdGordon: Hrm, could you edit my flyspray post to say that it is compatible with your new patch, not the old one? |
| 04:00:29 | Nico_P | when are you planning on committing it ? |
| 04:00:47 | JdGordon | Nico_P: today or tomorow hoipefully.... |
| 04:00:55 | Nico_P | cool |
| 04:01:12 | JdGordon | aliask: back in a while.. i will then, cant oyu edit your own posts?? (wierd) |
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| 04:01:36 | aliask | JdGordon: I need to be admin, which I'm not. |
| 04:05:55 | AceNik | uys where can i ask mr.Yohann Miquitta permission for modifyin & uploading his wps |
| 04:06:26 | JdGordon | aliask: ok done |
| 04:07:12 | Llorean | AceNik: If he hasn't left an email address on his user page, it's really impossible to say. |
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| 04:11:01 | AceNik | im making a thread , attaching 2 screenshots , need help with his approval & some help with bakground |
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| 04:24:23 | Reyuth | I'd like some help, please. I just installed Rockbox on an IPod Nano and about 3 minutes after that it's frozen. I can't reset, I can't boot to apple firmware. The USB device won't show up on the computer. I have the latest bootloader and daily build from today. |
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| 04:30:28 | AceNik | is this fine http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9919.msg76184#msg76184 |
| 04:30:29 | Llorean | Reyuth: You can reboot it with the Menu+Select method |
| 04:30:36 | Llorean | Reyuth: How did it freeze? |
| 04:31:27 | AceNik | Reyuth:the worst case scenario is , the harware is stuck , i remember i took it to the service center al he did was just open n reset it |
| 04:31:38 | Reyuth | I was turning it on after I'd turned it off to reload the voice files. It wouldn't do anything after that. |
| 04:31:38 | Llorean | AceNik: Honestly, do you think five exclamation marks does any more than one? |
| 04:31:50 | Llorean | Reyuth: Turn on hold, turn off hold, hold menu+select for 15-30seconds |
| 04:32:35 | AceNik | Llorean: anythin else |
| 04:33:13 | Reyuth | iThanks, Llorean. That worked. |
| 04:34:12 | Llorean | AceNik: Well, other than the fact that you've repeatedly got the name of the theme wrong, and your grammar terrifies me, no, not really. |
| 04:34:41 | Reyuth | I appreciate not having to tell my friend his Ipod is bricked. Thanks for the help. |
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| 04:37:41 | AceNik | Llorean:fixed dont shout i was up all night |
| 04:37:56 | Llorean | I didn't shout. |
| 04:38:57 | AceNik | Llorean: k thanks for the help , im off now will return in some hrs to check up if anyone replied , which i feel you still would , on the forum , anyways thanks for your support i hope it continues |
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| 06:02:43 | mitch04 | hi |
| 06:02:55 | mitch04 | anyone here working on proting zen vision m? |
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| 06:31:54 | Llorean | mitch04: If someone had been they would've answered you. |
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| 06:52:03 | Sna[E] | hi |
| 06:52:26 | Sna[E] | where can i found rockckander for the last version? |
| 06:53:02 | Llorean | Do you mean rockcalender? |
| 06:53:12 | Sna[E] | yep.. |
| 06:53:19 | Llorean | Er, rockcalendar even. |
| 06:53:30 | Llorean | You should search the patch tracker |
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| 06:53:50 | Sna[E] | and thats mean what? |
| 06:54:05 | Llorean | It means the patch tracker... The link on the left side of the site that says "patches" |
| 06:54:14 | Sna[E] | ok |
| 06:54:20 | Sna[E] | ant than? |
| 06:54:42 | Llorean | As I said, search it. |
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| 06:59:31 | Sna[E] | well |
| 06:59:38 | Sna[E] | i found the patch |
| 06:59:51 | Sna[E] | but i dont know who to use it |
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| 07:00:06 | Llorean | Read the SimpleGuideToCompiling page in the wiki |
| 07:00:11 | Llorean | You will have to compile your own build |
| 07:01:39 | Sna[E] | m. |
| 07:01:47 | Sna[E] | thats to much for me |
| 07:06:49 | Sna[E] | is there any way to d/l the rockcalendar? |
| 07:07:05 | Sna[E] | witout this patch? |
| 07:07:11 | Llorean | It has to be compiled for your player specifically |
| 07:07:28 | Llorean | Meaning you either have to compile it yourself, or find someone who's compiled it for the same player, such as an unsupported build that includes it |
| 07:08:14 | Sna[E] | but why its not in the rockbox file like the atoher versions? |
| 07:08:50 | Llorean | What other versions? |
| 07:09:14 | Llorean | It's not included in Rockbox because it wasn't considered ready last time someone looked at it. |
| 07:09:28 | Sna[E] | ok |
| 07:09:32 | Sna[E] | thsnks |
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| 07:51:37 | muthu | any support for archos 604? |
| 07:51:49 | Llorean | Is it listed? |
| 07:52:03 | muthu | nope.. wondering if any one is working on it. |
| 07:52:33 | Llorean | That's a different question entirely. But no. |
| 07:52:45 | muthu | k |
| 07:52:48 | muthu | thx |
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| 09:55:07 | scorche | "<+Random> if you don't have malloc you can hardly call it "C""...haha |
| 09:55:31 | petur | wtf... |
| 09:56:31 | scorche | pretty much |
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| 10:02:25 | Amblin | Anyone else get a Rockbox error: -1 message upon boot of today's build? |
| 10:02:46 | Llorean | Error: -1 means that the bootloader can't find your rockbox.ipod |
| 10:02:49 | Llorean | Or rockbox.iriver |
| 10:02:54 | Llorean | Or whatever player you have |
| 10:03:11 | bluebrother | Amblin, that error is explained in the manual ... |
| 10:03:24 | Amblin | Llorean: The latest builds no longer included the bootloader? |
| 10:03:36 | Llorean | Amblin: Uh, what? |
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| 10:03:38 | bluebrother | the builds never included the bootloader |
| 10:03:42 | Llorean | Amblin: You install the bootloader once, ever. |
| 10:03:45 | Llorean | Unless you need to update it. |
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| 10:03:56 | bluebrother | you need to download and install the bootloader separately. |
| 10:03:57 | Amblin | Ah. |
| 10:04:04 | Amblin | Ok |
| 10:04:06 | bluebrother | except for the archos boxes |
| 10:04:09 | Llorean | Amblin: What player do you have? |
| 10:04:12 | Amblin | I got it. |
| 10:04:15 | bluebrother | but I guess you're not referring to one of them ;-) |
| 10:04:43 | Amblin | I just went to download.rockbox.org and got the latest bootloader. |
| 10:05:09 | Amblin | Llorean: A e200. |
| 10:05:47 | Llorean | If you've got an outdated bootloader on that, then you need to uninstall the bootloader entirely first. |
| 10:06:16 | Llorean | Restore the original firmware by putting an official Sandisk update on it (PP5022.MI4) then restart into the original firmware a few times until it says it's updating |
| 10:06:21 | Llorean | Then follow the manual to properly install the bootloader |
| 10:07:03 | Amblin | Oh fun. Ok, thanks for the help, Llorean. |
| 10:08:10 | Llorean | Well, you installed the bootloader prior to our release of the Sansapatcher tool |
| 10:13:28 | Amblin | And all is well; no more static in the audio during use of mpeg player. |
| 10:15:19 | JdGordon | scorche: who said that? |
| 10:17:45 | Amblin | Between the 12th and today's build, does anyone know if there was any audio quality improvements made on the e200? |
| 10:18:08 | scorche | JdGordon: just a random (no pun intended) person in #freenode-social |
| 10:18:33 | JdGordon | ah ok :) |
| 10:19:36 | Llorean | Amblin: The changelog is still where it always has been. |
| 10:21:14 | Amblin | Llorean: Unfortunately, I do not know what most of it means. |
| 10:21:27 | Amblin | Nevermind. |
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| 10:38:31 | rift | hello, I'have mad a new rockbox theme for ipod nano, if anyone want to test it, send me a private message |
| 10:40:04 | JdGordon | put it on the wiki and.or rockbox-themes.org |
| 10:41:08 | rift | hmm |
| 10:41:08 | rift | ok |
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| 10:44:25 | PaulJam | svn question: how can i remove a folder from my sorce, that it doesn't get redownloaded on the next svn up? i tried "svn rm wps/" and then renamed the dir, but on next svn up it gets redownloaded. |
| 10:44:41 | Llorean | Why do you need to remove it permanently? |
| 10:45:25 | PaulJam | i don't want to include the wps files in the .zip |
| 10:46:10 | Llorean | Well then you also have other options: Editing the make zip script for example. |
| 10:46:23 | Llorean | I'm not familiar with SVN, but that might be an easier alternative |
| 10:46:49 | PaulJam | good idea, haven't thought of that. |
| 10:50:55 | PaulJam | seems as if it worked, thanks Llorean. |
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| 10:58:01 | bluebrother | svn downloads the state of the repository. That's the purpose. |
| 10:58:17 | bluebrother | you can svn up apps firmware tools to update only those folders |
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| 11:03:40 | bluebrother | Llorean, what do you think about FS #7019? IMO we can reject it as the copy / paste does the job. |
| 11:06:55 | Llorean | bluebrother: I think it can be rejected, yes. There's no need to complicate that function further, as it just makes it easier for someone to screw something up. |
| 11:07:04 | bluebrother | good. |
| 11:07:09 | linuxstb__ | IMO it's a valid request - IIUC, the poster is asking for renaming files to support moving... |
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| 11:07:30 | Llorean | linuxstb: We already have much more convenient move functions. |
| 11:08:20 | Llorean | linuxstb: I think having the rename show the whole path will just confuse users, as well as making it hard to clear a filename. |
| 11:08:57 | linuxstb | I guess I'm a command-line person... |
| 11:09:07 | bluebrother | ok, I just closed the task. Feel free to reopen if you disagree ;-) |
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| 11:09:30 | bluebrother | I'm a command line person too. But without a real keyboard it isn't too comfortable |
| 11:09:48 | Llorean | linuxstb: I think for the vast majority it'll be an option that isn't even known about, and with potential to cause easily misplaced files. |
| 11:10:11 | Llorean | But I'm not really strongly against it, I'm just not for it at all. :) |
| 11:10:21 | bluebrother | I'd rather replace the cut / paste with a real move / copy function, i.e. you select "move" and then select the target folder instead of using some strange clipboard |
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| 11:11:16 | linuxstb | That needs a proper "choose directory" widget, which we don't have, but would be nice. |
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| 11:11:32 | JdGordon | we need a proper choose dir and choose folder function |
| 11:12:05 | JdGordon | but.. i see no problem with showing th eufll path in the rename screen so it can be moved like that |
| 11:12:19 | bluebrother | yes. But wouldn't it be sufficient to use the list view and simply filter out all files? I.e. show directories only? |
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| 11:12:46 | Llorean | bluebrother: We need a way to differentiate between "enter" and "select" folders |
| 11:12:48 | Llorean | Which I've said for a while |
| 11:13:05 | bluebrother | hmm, right. Missed that ... |
| 11:13:11 | Llorean | I think "Right" should be enter, and "Select" allow you to actually select folders, without a context menu. Right now they're duplicates. |
| 11:13:32 | Llorean | Once you split their functionality, one of them could be easy "insert" and the other keep the old functionality. |
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| 11:13:33 | safetydan | Yeah I'd love to redo cut/copy to be move/copy but the dir browser can't support what we need at the moment. |
| 11:13:48 | bluebrother | safetydan: go! go! go! ;-) |
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| 11:14:16 | JdGordon | I think the tree viewer should be redone so it can be given a action handler so we can do this more easily.. |
| 11:15:03 | bluebrother | action handler for what to do on select? |
| 11:15:10 | safetydan | bluebrother: no time! no time! no time! :) |
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| 11:15:54 | bluebrother | safetydan, too bad. Same issue here :( |
| 11:15:54 | JdGordon | imo the tree viewer is done very badly :p |
| 11:16:37 | * | bluebrother is still searching for time to get the code known better |
| 11:16:50 | bluebrother | always this students with too much time ... |
| 11:17:03 | bluebrother | I'm definitely studying at the wrong university. |
| 11:17:22 | safetydan | I'd love to be a student again. I had so much spare time back then :) |
| 11:18:45 | JdGordon | what id like is to be able to give it a directory to browse, a filter, and an action handler (which for te tree would be onplay.c), but that would allow us to have a very easy to use open-file or save-as func |
| 11:19:29 | * | JdGordon has been meaning to do this since root menu, but cbf :p |
| 11:20:09 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Can I ask you about the keymaps files - a few things look odd to me... |
| 11:20:34 | JdGordon | shhot |
| 11:20:36 | JdGordon | shoot even |
| 11:20:39 | bluebrother | cbf? |
| 11:20:49 | JdGordon | cant be <bothered> |
| 11:20:57 | linuxstb | I'm looking at the h1x0/h3x0 keymap as an example. In the settings context, you define actions like ACTION_STD_PREV - why not ACTION_SETTINGS_PREV? |
| 11:22:12 | linuxstb | Similarly, in a few contexts, you have ACTION_STD_OK defined. |
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| 11:23:09 | JdGordon | umm... how else do you think std_ok should be done in those contexts? |
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| 11:24:01 | JdGordon | the setting context isnt really used anymore (except the colour picker and the eq display), the new setting screens use the list context iirc |
| 11:24:32 | linuxstb | I would expect it to be called something related to the context - i.e. ACTION_TREE_OK for the tree context. |
| 11:24:58 | linuxstb | Or if it's the same as the standard context, then why redefine it? |
| 11:25:30 | JdGordon | no, the idea of actions is to do as little work as possible, if that were the case, every keymap file would have to define tree_ok and std_ok even if they are the same button, the current way uses the context chaining thing to do the same |
| 11:25:42 | JdGordon | where is std_ok redefined in 2 contexts? |
| 11:26:27 | linuxstb | Just search the keymap file, and you'll find it - it appears many times in the h1x0/h3x0 keymap file. |
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| 11:28:52 | JdGordon | usually, the only time it needs to be redefined (any action) is 1) if the context doesnt chain to context_std, or 2) the definition in context_std uses some combo which isnt needed for this context |
| 11:30:00 | JdGordon | it is very possible though that there is lots of extra items in the keymap files... but it needs someone with time to go through them and check |
| 11:30:31 | linuxstb | So why have an "_XXX_" part in the names of the actions? i,e, just have ACTION_OK |
| 11:31:26 | JdGordon | i dont know... i guess I started with it in the first incarnation of acitons and they just stuck |
| 11:31:49 | JdGordon | but I think it makes it a bit clearer exactly which screen should return which set of actions with that |
| 11:32:18 | JdGordon | maybe they are completly redundant |
| 11:33:26 | JdGordon | Llorean: can you chane a users nick ont he forums? help.me.spam.me@gmail.com makes the table look wierd |
| 11:34:12 | JdGordon | linuxstb: oh, i remember reading in the logs you ad second thoughts about about the root menu context menus? |
| 11:34:53 | linuxstb | It seems most others are against, and I agree with their arguments... |
| 11:35:56 | Llorean | JdGordon: The table? And I'd rather not ask people to change their usernames without a really good reason. |
| 11:36:55 | JdGordon | Llorean: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?board=25.0 looks funny because of his nick |
| 11:37:09 | JdGordon | linuxstb: because of the menus they point to? or other reason? |
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| 11:38:13 | bluebrother | the table looks right here ... |
| 11:38:19 | Llorean | Looks fine to me. |
| 11:38:54 | bluebrother | long nicks break the view of a thread, but that's a diffferent place |
| 11:38:56 | JdGordon | must be must 1024x768 display then |
| 11:39:09 | * | bluebrother has 1024x768 |
| 11:39:28 | bluebrother | but allowing the forums to break long user names might be an idea |
| 11:39:49 | bluebrother | no idea how hard that would be though. I guess it's not a standard feature of the forums software |
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| 11:41:41 | webguest04 | anyone speak english here? |
| 11:41:55 | davina | ja |
| 11:41:56 | bluebrother | this channel is english |
| 11:41:58 | safetydan | ja, si, oui |
| 11:42:01 | Llorean | webguest04: Considering the channel guidelines say it's an English speaking channel, it's a good bet. |
| 11:42:16 | linuxstb | We could just delete that thread - the poster's problem was solved and there are many many other threads with the same question and answer. |
| 11:42:21 | bluebrother | nooo! I only think I speak english *g* |
| 11:42:32 | bluebrother | or am I dreaming? |
| 11:42:43 | bluebrother | webguest04, anyway, how may we help you? |
| 11:42:50 | davina | you are in a rockbox emulation bluebrother ;) |
| 11:42:52 | webguest04 | ok... after about 30min of searching through many help threads... im going to have to ask here |
| 11:42:54 | Llorean | linuxstb: I'll do that, for now |
| 11:43:02 | webguest04 | im trying o get my ipod to play flac files |
| 11:43:15 | bluebrother | must ... resist ... speaking ... the ... c ... language ... |
| 11:43:36 | Llorean | webguest04: Okay, that's not yet a question. |
| 11:43:40 | linuxstb | But the forum page looks fine to me, even when resizing the window to something narrow. |
| 11:43:43 | davina | lol |
| 11:43:57 | webguest04 | " how can i get my ipod to play .FLAC files? " ^^ |
| 11:44:00 | Llorean | webguest04: They're treated no different than any other audio file in Rockbox. |
| 11:44:09 | bluebrother | webguest04, just play them ;-) |
| 11:44:20 | davina | yeah should just work with rockbox installed |
| 11:44:20 | safetydan | webguest04, it should just work. They may need to have an extension of .flac though |
| 11:44:44 | webguest04 | but i cant get itunes to open it in the library ( or am i just a noob and not supposed to be using itunes? ) |
| 11:44:57 | linuxstb | You are just a noob and not supposed to be using itunes... |
| 11:45:07 | safetydan | harsh, but fair :) |
| 11:45:08 | webguest04 | arrr.... thought that might be the case |
| 11:45:09 | linuxstb | At least, not for FLAC files. Just copy them. |
| 11:45:24 | bluebrother | itunes being broken is not a Rockbox problem ;-) |
| 11:45:25 | * | davina does use itune anymore and has written a shell script to sync the library |
| 11:45:29 | davina | *doesnt |
| 11:45:46 | linuxstb | Yes, itunes should be aware of Rockbox and sync all formats Rockbox supports... |
| 11:46:12 | bluebrother | it should also play all those formats. Like sid *g* |
| 11:46:36 | webguest04 | ok all ive done is download rockox 2.5 for windows and ( supposibly ) installed it on my ipod |
| 11:46:43 | bluebrother | eeek. |
| 11:46:48 | bluebrother | error. |
| 11:46:52 | safetydan | webguest04: I think you've taken a wrong turn somewhere. |
| 11:46:56 | linuxstb | webguest04: You should read the manual - see the link on the right-side of the Rockbox website. |
| 11:47:06 | bluebrother | Did you read the top of the page where you downloaded "rockbox 2.5"? |
| 11:47:07 | linuxstb | And then follow the install instructions in the manual. |
| 11:47:22 | bluebrother | 2.5 wasn't released for ipods. It won't run. |
| 11:47:25 | linuxstb | I mean left-side of the website... |
| 11:47:34 | bluebrother | http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 11:47:41 | webguest04 | Oh man, im such a noob... ill read up before i make an even bigger ass of myself |
| 11:48:03 | bluebrother | webguest04, don't worry ... noob != ass |
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| 11:49:57 | bluebrother | (!= means "not equal" in case you don't know that syntax) |
| 11:50:01 | Llorean | I think "ass" starts right about at the point someone insists they did everything right, and the instructions must be wrong. :) |
| 11:50:54 | desowin | "/home/desowin/iPod/rockbox/build/librockbox.a(thread.o): In function `switch_thread': |
| 11:50:54 | desowin | thread.c:(.icode+0x370): undefined reference to `start_thread'" |
| 11:51:01 | desowin | when compiling latest svn |
| 11:51:41 | Llorean | desowin: Compiles fine on our servers, as you could see if you looked at the build table. |
| 11:51:45 | bluebrother | desowin, do you have the recommended compiler version? |
| 11:52:11 | bluebrother | you need 4.0.3 for ipod builds |
| 11:52:12 | desowin | 4.1.1 - I haven't changed it |
| 11:52:28 | bluebrother | I don't think we recommend 4.1.1, do we? |
| 11:52:29 | Llorean | The recommended version is 4.0.3, as it has been for some time. It was never 4.1.anything |
| 11:52:33 | * | davina is away: back laters |
| 11:52:51 | bluebrother | desowin, is 4.1.1 the version of arm-elf-gcc or the host gcc? |
| 11:53:08 | desowin | I havecross-arm-elf/gcc-4.1.1-r3 since 2007-02-10 and it worked |
| 11:53:18 | Llorean | Doesn't matter if it used to work |
| 11:53:33 | safetydan | desowin: also try a make clean first |
| 11:53:38 | Llorean | It was never the recommended version, and if you're using it, you're doing different steps from those we claim work. |
| 11:53:43 | bluebrother | safetydan: beat me |
| 11:54:22 | desowin | safetydan: it was fresh checkout |
| 11:54:36 | safetydan | desowin: yes, but was it a clean build directory? |
| 11:54:45 | desowin | yes |
| 11:55:04 | webguest04 | " There has not yet been a stable release for the Ipod Video " am I just better off waiting for a stable buiold to come out rather than messing around with all of these SVN patches? |
| 11:55:06 | safetydan | Well then you'll need to use 4.0.4 or you'll get wackiness like you're seeing. |
| 11:55:12 | Llorean | safetydan: 4.0.3 |
| 11:55:12 | desowin | I'll emerge 4.0.3 |
| 11:55:38 | Llorean | webguest04: What SVN patches? |
| 11:56:02 | Llorean | webguest04: Use of SVN is not involved in any way to the regular use of Rockbox. |
| 11:56:07 | safetydan | desowin: uh, you'll need a special Rockbox version of arm-elf-gcc 4.0.3 |
| 11:56:07 | Llorean | Same with patches |
| 11:56:44 | webguest04 | so i dont need to install the boot loader onto my ipod? |
| 11:56:49 | safetydan | desowin: just use the tools/rockboxdev.sh script to get a working (and supported) arm compiler |
| 11:56:56 | JdGordon | Bagder: (or anyone who knows buildzip.pl) around? |
| 11:57:02 | linuxstb | webguest04: You have to do exactly what the manual says... |
| 11:57:08 | Llorean | safetydan: I thought the standard arm-elf-gcc 4.0.3 was fine as long as you weren't doing the thumb interworking. |
| 11:57:31 | daurnimator | JdGordon! |
| 11:57:38 | JdGordon | uh oh! |
| 11:58:04 | Llorean | desowin: Looking at it, the CrossCompiler page even explicitly states 4.1.0 at least isn't expected to work properly, by the way. |
| 11:58:07 | safetydan | Llorean: that's entirely possible. I don't have an arm target to check such things :) |
| 11:58:20 | daurnimator | JdGordon: get over here |
| 11:58:38 | desowin | Llorean: ok, just it's crazy, because I used it since beginning, time to downgrade |
| 11:58:49 | Llorean | safetydan: I know it *used* to be a vanilla arm-elf-gcc, but that was about the same week we got sound working on the iPod. It's been a while since I've even had that same computer. :) |
| 11:59:09 | Llorean | desowin: Well, you were just lucky then. Next time, read the instructions. :-P |
| 11:59:16 | safetydan | Llorean: all I know is that the rockboxdev.sh script does apply the thumb interworking patch. Whether it's required in all cases I don't know. |
| 11:59:21 | linuxstb | desowin: Maybe the issue isn't your compiler - have you done the usual "make clean", reconfigure etc steps? |
| 11:59:37 | bluebrother | desowin, or fix the code so it compiles fine with 4.1.1. ;-) |
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| 12:00:02 | * | desowin approves bluebrother, but don't think like I'll be able to do this |
| 12:02:31 | Llorean | safetydan: I don't believe we use thumb interworking yet, I think it's just there so we're ready in the future if we do. |
| 12:02:33 | * | Llorean isn't sure |
| 12:02:54 | Llorean | linuxstb: He said it was a clean build folder. |
| 12:03:08 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes, I've since read that... |
| 12:03:30 | webguest04 | ok... think i just broke my ipod... forum time lol |
| 12:04:16 | rift | it's normal if %ac%cH:Mc i view 12:Mc |
| 12:04:36 | linuxstb | The clock tags have changed recently. |
| 12:04:37 | Llorean | rift: Yes, the tag format has changed. |
| 12:05:48 | rift | ok |
| 12:05:49 | rift | thx |
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| 12:07:50 | JdGordon | linuxstb: do you know buildzip.pl at all? |
| 12:08:02 | linuxstb | We're not close, no. |
| 12:08:11 | linuxstb | But I can probably help... |
| 12:08:49 | linuxstb | I assume you want to include some icon bmp files? |
| 12:09:11 | JdGordon | trying to figure out how to get it to know if there is a lcd remote in the build |
| 12:10:23 | linuxstb | For the icons? |
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| 12:11:04 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 12:11:18 | JdGordon | need to somehow get it to put the correct viewer bmp into the zip |
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| 12:11:51 | linuxstb | Wouldn't that make more sense as part of the wpsbuild.pl script? i.e. extend that to include the other theme components such as the icons? |
| 12:12:25 | JdGordon | would it? |
| 12:13:28 | Llorean | I think it would |
| 12:13:47 | Llorean | wpsbuild.pl is basically themebuild.pl now, since it includes backdrops. |
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| 12:14:06 | * | Llorean wonders if we could make it include fonts, so rockbox.zip at least included the fonts for the included themes. |
| 12:14:07 | JdGordon | oh? it does backdrops also? in that case ill look |
| 12:14:12 | rift | Llorean: do you have a web page where the this tag is explain ? |
| 12:14:14 | * | JdGordon figured out buildzip.pl :) |
| 12:14:19 | Llorean | JdGordon: Well, something has to include backdrops. |
| 12:14:41 | Llorean | I'm assuming it's what does the job, we do have some included right? |
| 12:15:07 | Llorean | rift: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#Real_Time_Clock |
| 12:15:41 | JdGordon | Llorean: no, i dont think we include any backdrops |
| 12:15:45 | * | JdGordon cant find qpsbuild.pl |
| 12:15:49 | JdGordon | wpsbuild.pl even |
| 12:16:01 | rift | thx |
| 12:16:11 | JdGordon | and its in /wps :p |
| 12:16:19 | Llorean | JdGordon: I know some of our WPSes have a %X, I don't know if we have menu backdrops now that I think about it. |
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| 12:17:37 | linuxstb | Main backdrops aren't in /wps - so at the moment it is still strictly wps-only. |
| 12:17:40 | JdGordon | im not really sure which file would be best for this... wpsbuild.pl seems to only deal with the wps and its cfg, buildzip.pl copies it all |
| 12:17:59 | JdGordon | hmm, no, wpsbuild does copy them in |
| 12:18:11 | Llorean | wpsbuild.pl should extend to themes, I think |
| 12:18:16 | linuxstb | wpsbuild.pl creates the theme.cfg file |
| 12:18:41 | linuxstb | as well as the .wps/.rwps file and choosing which bmp files to include for the WPS. |
| 12:19:09 | linuxstb | But on the other hand, buildzip.pl creates the fonts... |
| 12:19:25 | Llorean | Well, right now no fonts are included by default |
| 12:19:26 | JdGordon | all i was plannign on doing is copying the correct viewer.bmp into /.rockbox/icons/. Without any set in a cfg it will be read automatically |
| 12:19:32 | linuxstb | Although maybe the fonts used by the default themes should be included... |
| 12:19:41 | Llorean | I think it'd be good if we included the fonts necessary for the included themes, as a minimum, no matter what. |
| 12:19:56 | * | JdGordon agrees |
| 12:20:01 | PaulJam | i just noticed that the description of the crossfade taf is wrong (in the wiki and in the manual): the order is Off, Shuffle, Skip, Shuffle & Skip, Always (the skip & Shuffle option was added in december) |
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| 12:21:48 | linuxstb | JdGordon: So even the default icons are loaded from an external bmp? |
| 12:22:14 | JdGordon | just the viewer icons |
| 12:22:19 | JdGordon | the main set are inbuilt |
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| 12:25:12 | safetydan | hrm, can't get this eq graphing stuff working again |
| 12:26:43 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Looking at your latest patch, why do the different entries for "wav" in viewers.config have different icons? i.e. "-", "-", "b0", 10 Which one is given to a wav file in the browser? |
| 12:27:31 | JdGordon | neither :p wav is built in, so the builtin icon is used, unless there is a .icons file |
| 12:28:27 | linuxstb | So built-in formats shouldn't have an icon entry? |
| 12:28:59 | JdGordon | yeah |
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| 12:29:47 | JdGordon | it doesnt use any extra space though, so its no big deal if it does have an entry |
| 12:30:16 | linuxstb | It's just confusing to have them in the vewers.config - if they're not processed, then why have them? |
| 12:30:37 | JdGordon | to make sure the plugin is put in the right folder |
| 12:31:00 | linuxstb | What's that got to do with the icon? |
| 12:31:07 | JdGordon | oh nothing |
| 12:31:20 | linuxstb | I'm only talking about the icon entry in viewers.config |
| 12:31:22 | JdGordon | the line has to be there... i guess i used different ones to show how the file can be used |
| 12:31:45 | * | JdGordon doesnt like the letter b.. whats a better char for its use? |
| 12:34:38 | * | Nico_P just had the idea of a WPS tag to define what line height to use... It would allow the use of fonts smaller than what the WPS was intented for |
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| 12:36:30 | Nico_P | how does that sound ? |
| 12:36:37 | Llorean | I like it. |
| 12:36:51 | Llorean | If a too-high font was used, could it use Rockbox_default (sysfont) in its place, too? |
| 12:37:18 | linuxstb | It seems that viewers.config is used for two things - 1) adding new filetypes and assigning icons to them; 2) Registering viewers associated with certain extensions. I'm wondering if it would be cleaner to separate these two functions. |
| 12:37:35 | PaulJam | Nico_P: using a different font wouldn't work for many wps, that use spaces to adjust the position of the text on the line. |
| 12:37:54 | Nico_P | Llorean: That would be a bit more code but probably... I suppose you know what gave me the idea ;) |
| 12:37:58 | Llorean | PaulJam: It'd still improve the situation. |
| 12:38:16 | linuxstb | You could then have a filetypes.cfg with one line per filetype, and the icon file would simply need to contain icons in the same format as the entries in filetypes.cfg. You then have a separate viewers.cfg which has nothing to do with icons. |
| 12:38:23 | Llorean | Nico_P: Well, I think if we start including a minimal font set (only fonts used in included themes) that'll help somewhat too. |
| 12:39:32 | Llorean | linuxstb: I was against viewers.cfg having anything to do with icons too. Themeing and functional aspects should be kept separate. |
| 12:39:41 | JdGordon | linuxstb: well, thats pretty much what i have done with the .icons file |
| 12:40:33 | * | JdGordon wonders if the open with screen could use the viewer's icon instead of the standard dot |
| 12:40:42 | linuxstb | Uh? There's a .icons file as well as a viewers.config? |
| 12:40:50 | JdGordon | no, its optional |
| 12:41:08 | daurnimator | JdGordon: i want your iriver nowish ;) |
| 12:41:28 | JdGordon | daurnimator: on ya bike then :) |
| 12:41:46 | daurnimator | it needs oiling :( |
| 12:45:47 | daurnimator | hmm, just looking at wpses for the iriver h3xx - iCatcher isn't bad... |
| 12:45:57 | JdGordon | Nico_P: and another idea for the wps... allow it to display an icon from the builtins (once my patch is commited of course) |
| 12:46:09 | Nico_P | JdGordon: good idea |
| 12:46:32 | Llorean | My biggest problem with iCatcher is just that the volume display is nearly useless (to me) |
| 12:46:59 | Llorean | Nico_P: Could I make a suggestion regarding the Volume enumeration? |
| 12:47:18 | Nico_P | Llorean: I'm listening, but I'm aware of your feature request about it :) |
| 12:47:34 | Llorean | The <0|1|...|Full|Red> one? |
| 12:47:42 | Nico_P | yes |
| 12:47:44 | Llorean | Okay |
| 12:47:54 | Llorean | I wasn't sure I'd filed that request, or imagined I'd filed it. |
| 12:48:26 | Llorean | I have to hack a numeric volume display into any pretty looking WPS because everyone seems to like these graphical ones, and I like to use external speakers. |
| 12:48:26 | Nico_P | Llorean: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6780 |
| 12:49:34 | Llorean | Nico_P: Okay, glad to see I actually posted it. |
| 12:50:07 | * | Llorean wonders why "Tasks reported by me" doesn't work |
| 12:50:53 | Nico_P | Llorean: are you clicking on "show" after having selected that ? |
| 12:51:43 | Llorean | Nico_P: Yes. |
| 12:51:48 | Llorean | It works fine for Tasks I watch |
| 12:51:50 | Llorean | Oh. |
| 12:51:52 | Llorean | Never mind |
| 12:51:56 | Llorean | I just realized why it doesn't work. |
| 12:52:09 | Nico_P | why's that ? |
| 12:52:14 | Llorean | My flyspray ID wasn't Llorean, and I recently created Llorean, and am logged in as that. |
| 12:52:22 | Nico_P | :) |
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| 12:52:34 | * | Llorean is slightly slow sometimes. |
| 12:53:07 | JdGordon | linuxstb: so... should I move the icons completly out of viewers.config? |
| 12:53:38 | JdGordon | they are convinient there for the defaults, but yeah, not really relevant there |
| 12:56:03 | linuxstb | I'm also wondering if filetypes supported by viewers included in the official builds should be considered standard filetypes, and not user-configured filetypes... |
| 12:57:04 | linuxstb | I'm thinking about when users actually modify viewers.config |
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| 12:58:52 | JdGordon | the user would almost never edit it |
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| 13:01:53 | Nico_P | http://nicolas.pennequin.free.fr/rockbox/dump%20070415-130013.bmp |
| 13:01:59 | Nico_P | versus http://nicolas.pennequin.free.fr/rockbox/dump%20070415-130035.bmp |
| 13:02:08 | daurnimator | when making a wps, is it possible to use the same inmage more than once? |
| 13:02:28 | Llorean | Nico_P: Aligns with the top of the line? |
| 13:02:33 | Nico_P | daurnimator: no, unless you want it in the same position twice |
| 13:02:41 | daurnimator | lol |
| 13:02:43 | Nico_P | Llorean: yes, I'll tweak that after lunch |
| 13:03:12 | SliMM | daurnimator: i think you can load the same image twice |
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| 13:03:39 | daurnimator | sure, but wouldn't it make more sense to use the same loaded image twice |
| 13:03:48 | daurnimator | - rather than reading it off the hdd twice |
| 13:04:21 | SliMM | it wouldn't |
| 13:04:32 | Llorean | daurnimator: What image do you need to use twice in different places? |
| 13:04:41 | SliMM | because the image is read and also the position |
| 13:04:42 | daurnimator | various design elements |
| 13:04:51 | Llorean | daurnimator: Why can't they be backdrop? |
| 13:05:15 | SliMM | if you specify the position in the wps itself, it's quite cpu-intensive |
| 13:05:39 | Llorean | SliMM: You've tested this, or been told this by someone who has? |
| 13:05:57 | SliMM | llorean: just supposing :P |
| 13:06:05 | SliMM | how can i test it if it's not possible |
| 13:06:07 | SliMM | ? |
| 13:06:11 | daurnimator | man, wps is too simple |
| 13:06:17 | Llorean | SliMM: Write code to allow it. |
| 13:06:18 | daurnimator | i want to do more |
| 13:06:20 | Llorean | SliMM: And then test. |
| 13:06:32 | Llorean | SliMM: But the point is, don't state something as fact unless you have reason to know it is. |
| 13:06:33 | SliMM | llorean: that's a bit too much for me |
| 13:06:42 | SliMM | ok |
| 13:06:49 | daurnimator | Is there any way to retheme the browser(s)? |
| 13:07:08 | Llorean | I'm pretty sure loading images at positions is more an artifact of how images being included in WPSes was introduced more than an efficiency concern, at least I should think it's equally possible to draw them at arbitrary positions. |
| 13:07:10 | SliMM | daurnimator: backdrop, fonts |
| 13:07:52 | daurnimator | linky? |
| 13:07:56 | SliMM | daurnimator: JdGordon is currently working at coloured icons |
| 13:08:12 | daurnimator | sorry, i don't know much about the UI |
| 13:08:17 | daurnimator | i've only used rockbox once |
| 13:08:23 | daurnimator | for about 30 mins |
| 13:08:43 | SliMM | daurnimator: use a .cfg file |
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| 13:09:00 | Llorean | daurnimator: It's a good idea to read the manual then. |
| 13:09:13 | daurnimator | Llorean: i still don't have a rockboxable target ;P |
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| 13:09:44 | SliMM | daurnimator: try ui sim builds |
| 13:09:45 | Llorean | daurnimator: You ARE asking how to do things. |
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| 13:11:26 | SliMM | llorean: what's the link for the sim builds? |
| 13:14:15 | Llorean | SliMM: They're at rasher.dk/rockbox somewhere. |
| 13:14:20 | Llorean | But those are often outdated by a few days |
| 13:14:39 | SliMM | llorean: it's good for wps testing |
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| 13:15:56 | Nico_P | Llorean: you're right, it would be quite easy to allow the position to be changed dynmically |
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| 13:16:58 | Nico_P | sure, it would be a little more CPU intensive but not by too much |
| 13:19:14 | SliMM | Nico_P: my ipod still drains much battery, noo need of extra drain |
| 13:19:29 | Llorean | Nico_P: Why is it more CPU intensive? |
| 13:19:40 | Nico_P | SliMM: the extra drain would be negligible... There's not much the WPS code can do to improve that |
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| 13:20:35 | Nico_P | Llorean: it would mean reading the coord values each time the WPS is refreshed instead of just once... but that's not much |
| 13:21:12 | Llorean | Nico_P: Ah, okay. |
| 13:21:34 | * | JdGordon back |
| 13:22:24 | Nico_P | Llorean: now it's centered. Got to go for lunch :) |
| 13:22:35 | JdGordon | Nico_P: your screenshots look nice, but if the text is smaller than the line eight it should be cenetered vertically imo |
| 13:23:15 | Llorean | JdGordon: He's just done that 12 seconds before you asked. :-P |
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| 13:23:24 | JdGordon | hehe |
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| 13:29:36 | JdGordon | Nico_P: you have a 64bit (?) warning in the sim to fix :) |
| 13:39:45 | Llorean | Nico_P: Just a question: Is it a good idea to close unclosed conditionals for people? I just see that causing more reports of unexpected behaviour. |
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| 13:45:16 | JdGordon | has anyone got a patch to change the root directory for the sim? |
| 13:52:37 | Llorean | JdGordon: Like, /device instead of /archos? |
| 13:53:26 | JdGordon | ./rockboxui −−root ../sim_root |
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| 13:55:27 | PaulJam | why do you want to do that? |
| 13:56:18 | JdGordon | when you need to test stuff which doesnt need plugins/codecs but a set of files |
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| 13:58:26 | * | JdGordon wishes he had a final answer to the viewers.config question so he can gett his patch commited :p |
| 13:58:37 | JdGordon | ... and which pl this should all go in |
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| 14:15:36 | daurnimator | JdGordon: where do i download the sim? |
| 14:15:52 | austriancoder | hi all |
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| 14:19:26 | Nico_P | JdGordon: do you have an idea how I can fix it ? |
| 14:19:51 | Nico_P | Llorean: unclosed conditionals are evil :) |
| 14:20:19 | Nico_P | and they are closed automatically only when there should be none left open |
| 14:21:54 | Llorean | Nico_P: I'd just personally prefer if their WPS had the conditional bad (a subline marked inside one for example) it splashed an error instead of silently ignoring it and possibly leading to an unexpected WPS behaviour. |
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| 14:23:09 | Llorean | Or maybe I'm misunderstanding what happens. |
| 14:23:29 | Llorean | A line like tag?<stuff;other stuff> would close before the ;, right? |
| 14:23:44 | Nico_P | Llorean: they are only closed on line or subline endings |
| 14:23:47 | Nico_P | yes |
| 14:23:52 | Llorean | Which leaves a hanging > |
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| 14:24:01 | Llorean | And a conditional that doesn't work as expected. |
| 14:24:10 | Nico_P | Llorean: that one will be ignored/treated as a character |
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| 14:24:36 | Nico_P | Llorean: conditionals can't spread across lines or sublines |
| 14:24:40 | Llorean | Yep. |
| 14:25:00 | Nico_P | so there isn't much to expect from such a line anyway |
| 14:25:39 | Llorean | But a lot of people seem to not know they can't spread across sublines. To me, telling them with a splash is better than closing it for them. |
| 14:26:03 | Nico_P | Llorean: yes, I could probably add a warning |
| 14:26:09 | Llorean | I think that would be best. |
| 14:26:12 | Llorean | Less bug reports for me. :) |
| 14:26:18 | Llorean | Maybe I'm just selfish. ;) |
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| 14:36:46 | daurnimator | JdGordon: http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/3305/rimg0001hv4.jpg |
| 14:37:52 | aliask | Learning jap daurnimator? |
| 14:38:14 | daurnimator | aliask: thats a zaurus you nub :S |
| 14:38:33 | aliask | o rly... thought it was a pocket dictionary |
| 14:38:57 | daurnimator | its the peak of pda creation |
| 14:39:05 | aliask | So they say... |
| 14:39:13 | daurnimator | they were only made in japan |
| 14:39:33 | aliask | Explains the japanese on the keyboard. |
| 14:40:20 | daurnimator | another pic :P http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/8984/rimg0002sl4.jpg |
| 14:40:34 | daurnimator | (thats sitting on my leg) |
| 14:40:55 | Nico_P | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7033 |
| 14:43:20 | Llorean | Nico_P: With oversized fonts does it crop? |
| 14:44:41 | bluebrother | wouldn't it be easier to have a tag for insert a arbitrary distance? |
| 14:45:16 | bluebrother | so you can move text like 2 pixels down by adding an empty "line" of height 2? |
| 14:45:41 | daurnimator | Nico_P: will scrolling still work? |
| 14:45:55 | Llorean | bluebrother: Different idea. |
| 14:46:05 | daurnimator | - will it take into account the (in/de)creased widths? |
| 14:46:06 | bluebrother | or add a placement tag to place text at any given position |
| 14:46:08 | Llorean | bluebrother: This patch keeps missing fonts from breaking the layout. |
| 14:46:17 | bluebrother | hmm. |
| 14:46:22 | Llorean | bluebrother: Arbitrary text positioning is waiting on viewports |
| 14:46:39 | Llorean | And an inserted line of empty pixels would still leave lines font-height dependent. |
| 14:46:43 | bluebrother | the idea still looks to complicated to me. |
| 14:47:23 | JdGordon | which idea is this? |
| 14:47:25 | bluebrother | missing fonts will mess up the layout anyway. Just imagine a different character spacing |
| 14:48:12 | bluebrother | and if we introduce something that can change the positioning of text anyway, why not use absolute positioning? Viewports will only position the viewports itself |
| 14:48:46 | Llorean | bluebrother: It's still line based, it just makes the line height independent of the font height, it's still a long way for absolute positioning I think. |
| 14:49:30 | bluebrother | what's the difference between absolute positioning (maybe only for the y coordinate?) and changing the height of the font? |
| 14:49:50 | Llorean | Absolute positioning means that your screen is no longer divided into a fixed number of equal height lines. |
| 14:50:23 | daurnimator | JdGordon: see the pic? |
| 14:50:34 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 14:50:38 | Llorean | daurnimator: Is there some reason you feel you have to be off-topic in our channel? |
| 14:50:49 | JdGordon | Llorean: well.. its not really offtopic |
| 14:50:53 | Llorean | The Zaurus isn't? |
| 14:50:55 | bluebrother | yes. But if you can change the height of a line the lines on the screen won't be a fixed number of equal height anymore |
| 14:50:56 | daurnimator | Llorean: I'm playing with the idea of rockbox running on it |
| 14:51:10 | Llorean | bluebrother: The LH sets the height of all lines |
| 14:51:22 | bluebrother | it does? Oh. |
| 14:51:22 | Llorean | bluebrother: It's like saying "Pretend the font is 16 pixels tall, no matter how tall the real font is" |
| 14:51:24 | JdGordon | Bagder: ping? |
| 14:51:48 | Llorean | bluebrother: That way if they don't have the right font installed, and it uses Rockbox Default instead, it still does one line every 16 pixels, instead of one line every umm... 8 is it? |
| 14:52:17 | bluebrother | but how about the width? It will break the layout too. |
| 14:52:37 | Llorean | Depends on the theme, but yes it often will |
| 14:52:52 | Llorean | Themes that use spaces to pad positioning won't work. |
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| 14:53:38 | Llorean | But if the Y positioning stays aligned, I think it'll be clearer to users that the font is the problem when a theme is broken, rather than Rockbox being broken, because they can see the lines at the right height, just small text and in the wrong horizontal position. |
| 14:54:10 | bluebrother | hmm. But do we really need / want the added code only because of users failing to install the fonts? |
| 14:54:28 | Llorean | It does allow you to pick different fonts for a lot of themes. |
| 14:54:52 | Llorean | Many themes use %ar, %ac and %al as their only positioning, making them safe for that patch. |
| 14:55:09 | JdGordon | and on that note, should i fix wpsbuild.pl to install the wps fonts in the zip even if its a nofonts zip? |
| 14:55:26 | Llorean | JdGordon: Ask the people whose bandwidth that is. ;) |
| 14:56:19 | bluebrother | JdGordon, no. The svn builds are supposed to not include the fonts. |
| 14:56:34 | bluebrother | there is "make fullzip" for including the fonts to the zip |
| 14:56:39 | Llorean | bluebrother: He'd only be including the fonts required by the included WPSes |
| 14:56:43 | bluebrother | so in the current state it isn't broken at all ;-) |
| 14:56:44 | Llorean | Basically, non-optional fonts. |
| 14:56:47 | JdGordon | bluebrother: right, but then why put the wps' in that build also? |
| 14:57:01 | Llorean | We should either remove the WPSes from the main build, or make them complete. |
| 14:57:05 | Llorean | Right now they're halfway. |
| 14:57:12 | daurnimator | JdGordon: still, where do i get the uploader source :S |
| 14:57:13 | bluebrother | that indeed is questionable. But buildzip.pl was changed to not include the fonts |
| 14:57:27 | Llorean | bluebrother: Yep, because the fonts are large. But we'd only be including 3 fonts, I think. |
| 14:57:29 | bluebrother | so I'd rather remove the wps from the svn builds. |
| 14:57:56 | JdGordon | daurnimator: the sim source you mean? svn... svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox |
| 14:58:12 | daurnimator | arg |
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| 14:58:21 | daurnimator | i forgot, i'll need to setup a compile env again |
| 14:58:33 | JdGordon | just grab the vmware image |
| 14:58:41 | hen3rz | hello |
| 14:58:46 | bluebrother | it's 4 fonts. Just checked ... |
| 14:58:50 | daurnimator | not just that |
| 14:58:53 | daurnimator | oh |
| 14:58:54 | daurnimator | wait |
| 14:59:07 | daurnimator | do we have the platform that zaurus is :P |
| 14:59:21 | daurnimator | some.. sort... of ... arm |
| 14:59:21 | hen3rz | hey guys i just installed the latest build on my gigabeat and the backlight has completley switched off |
| 14:59:36 | JdGordon | if gcc-arm-elf can compile for it we are good |
| 14:59:47 | Llorean | hen3rz: Are you sure you've got the latest official build? And have you tried resetting your settings? |
| 14:59:54 | hen3rz | and i can barely see the screen so i cant navigate back to the settings to set it up higher |
| 14:59:56 | Nico_P | Llorean: yes, it crops when fonts are too big. I can change that quit easily |
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| 15:00:05 | Nico_P | daurnimator: of course, scrolling still works |
| 15:00:12 | Llorean | Nico_P: I just wanted to make sure it cropped, rather than drawing them on top of the line below. :) |
| 15:00:24 | Llorean | Overlap would be bad with scrolling, I imagine. |
| 15:01:01 | Nico_P | Llorean: actually now that you say it I'm not quite sure |
| 15:01:07 | hen3rz | Llorean: yes ive tried resetting my gigabeat but when i turn it back on the backlight is still switched off. |
| 15:01:08 | markun | hen3rz: you can reset them by switching on HOLD while rockbox is booting |
| 15:01:09 | Nico_P | maybe they overlap |
| 15:01:14 | hen3rz | and it is the current build |
| 15:01:22 | Llorean | Nico_P: Overlapping is not good. :) |
| 15:01:33 | hen3rz | markup: ohh ok ill try that |
| 15:01:44 | Llorean | hen3rz: Rockbox had a bug regarding the backlight a couple days ago, but it should be resolved in the most recent builds |
| 15:02:00 | markun | markup? :) nice typo |
| 15:02:34 | daurnimator | JdGordon: finally, found somewhere that I can upload the full image :P http://denvish.net/ulf/150407/82372_RIMG0001.JPG |
| 15:02:53 | daurnimator | now you have my fingerprint :S |
| 15:02:54 | bluebrother | adding the fonts used by the shipped wps will add ~1.3MiB (uncompressed) |
| 15:02:57 | hen3rz | Llorean: im pretty sure this is i copied it over a couple secconds ago but ill do it again incase. |
| 15:02:58 | bluebrother | unifont is quite big. |
| 15:03:21 | Llorean | bluebrother: One of our WPSes requires unifont? |
| 15:03:26 | * | Llorean did not know that. |
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| 15:04:14 | bluebrother | yes, UniCatcher |
| 15:04:15 | JdGordon | daurnimator: that key layout would be ok for rockbox.. you have the arrows and a few func keys... its close to the sansa layout, or you could use the hxxx layout |
| 15:04:27 | hen3rz | Llorean: ive just copied over the latest build |
| 15:04:37 | bluebrother | the other fonts are quite small, so it wouldn't be that an issue. But unifont is large. |
| 15:04:41 | Llorean | hen3rz: Make sure to reset the settings as Markun said. |
| 15:04:58 | daurnimator | JdGordon: on the back of the device is a slider that does up/down, ok and cancel. |
| 15:05:00 | hen3rz | Llorean: is that done while the the logo splash screen appears |
| 15:05:10 | hen3rz | Llorean: or while the gigabeat bar loads |
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| 15:05:32 | Llorean | hen3rz: As soon as you turn on the Gigabeat, turn it on and leave it on. |
| 15:05:34 | daurnimator | JdGordon: iaudio could be ok? |
| 15:05:55 | JdGordon | dunno... /me doesnt know its keypad |
| 15:06:04 | daurnimator | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Iaudio_x5.jpg |
| 15:06:34 | hen3rz | Llorean: the backlight is still completely switched off. |
| 15:07:15 | Llorean | hen3rz: And if you go back to the old build? |
| 15:07:35 | hen3rz | also i do believe the settings have been reset as i can see that the height of the line selector has become alot smaller |
| 15:08:00 | JdGordon | daurnimator: ah yes, but the x5 lacks keys... with the sansa or hxxx you have a few more making it easier to use |
| 15:08:15 | daurnimator | true |
| 15:09:41 | JdGordon | first step is getting the cross compiling sdl working :) |
| 15:10:20 | hen3rz | Llorean: im trying them now, im going from the last working build to the latset one so far the build commited on the 9th works. |
| 15:10:49 | daurnimator | dambn |
| 15:10:54 | daurnimator | it seems my DNS server is down |
| 15:10:58 | daurnimator | i can't do anything :( |
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| 15:12:47 | daurnimator | yay, its back |
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| 15:16:06 | Mmmm | Right...I'm going to commit the recording countdown timer/repeat timer....any last minute objections? :) |
| 15:17:34 | bluebrother | Mmmm, are there any conflicts with the timers? |
| 15:17:41 | hen3rz | Llorean: the last working build for my player was released 2007-04-11 all the others switch my backlight off completeley |
| 15:17:57 | Mmmm | bluebrother: which timers? |
| 15:18:21 | bluebrother | I remember there were timer conflicts once ... like reusing hardware timers |
| 15:18:39 | bluebrother | or was that a different patch? |
| 15:18:45 | Llorean | hen3rz: You tried the 12th ,13th, 14th, 15th, and "Current" or did you stop updating after you found where it stopped? |
| 15:19:01 | hen3rz | 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th and current |
| 15:19:17 | Mmmm | bluebrother: ahh yes..that was the one...you have a long memory grasshopper.... It's ok now! |
| 15:19:47 | bluebrother | fine. Just want to prevent it getting reverted shortly ;-) |
| 15:19:49 | Llorean | hen3rz: Strange, I have no problems with one newer than the 11th. |
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| 15:19:55 | hen3rz | the 11th is the only build that loads with the back light switched on |
| 15:20:03 | hen3rz | i have a toshiba gigabeat s30 |
| 15:20:09 | hen3rz | is yours the f series? |
| 15:20:14 | Mmmm | bluebrother: :) |
| 15:20:16 | bluebrother | btw, did you do the recording trigger screen? |
| 15:20:24 | Mmmm | yep |
| 15:20:39 | Llorean | hen3rz: You don't have an S |
| 15:20:43 | Mmmm | well, I converted the trigger to SWtargets anyway |
| 15:20:46 | bluebrother | why is that screen completely different to all others? It doesn't comply to any style |
| 15:20:56 | hen3rz | argh i mean x |
| 15:21:05 | Mmmm | its been like that for aeons...for the HWtargets |
| 15:21:16 | Mmmm | I quite like it! |
| 15:21:23 | hen3rz | Llorean: sorry i mean x series |
| 15:21:29 | Llorean | hen3rz: Unfortunately, if it only affects Xs, you're going to have to track down the specific revision. |
| 15:21:31 | Llorean | It works fine on Fs |
| 15:21:32 | bluebrother | while I like editing settings from the menus (like that patch of A_M did once) it should have the same appearance as all other settings screens |
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| 15:21:48 | bluebrother | (and someone please add the functionality of that settings patch again ;-) |
| 15:23:10 | Mmmm | I dont know who originally made the trigger menu. I think that they have long since vanished. Its been there since before my time I think 2-3 years! |
| 15:23:37 | hen3rz | Llorean: well it seems there was a massive baclight revision made on the 12th |
| 15:23:48 | bluebrother | that's no excuse for that menu to not comply to the overall menu standard. It should get converted IMO. |
| 15:24:20 | hen3rz | 12 Apr 22:12Jens Arnold |
| 15:24:26 | Llorean | hen3rz: If it was made ON the 12th, it happened AFTER the daily build for the 12th |
| 15:24:29 | Mmmm | bluebrother: yeah, probably |
| 15:25:04 | hen3rz | so em i looking for changes made on the 11th |
| 15:25:08 | Llorean | hen3rz: Odds are it was one of kkurbjun's commits. |
| 15:25:12 | markun | hen3rz: which Gigabeat do you have? |
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| 15:25:23 | markun | Llorean: yes, I was thinking that as well |
| 15:25:25 | hen3rz | markun: x30 |
| 15:25:41 | Llorean | hen3rz: Which SVN revision is your 11th build? |
| 15:25:44 | Mmmm | ok.. here goes.... |
| 15:25:45 | markun | hen3rz: congrats for having a X :) |
| 15:26:01 | markun | but it looks like they are slightly different from the F. We had problems already with the USB code |
| 15:26:26 | hen3rz | Llorean: im not sure, i got this from the archived builds section |
| 15:26:26 | markun | took us a while before we has USB code which worked on both F and X |
| 15:26:43 | Llorean | hen3rz: Yes, go into the menu and CHECK for me. |
| 15:26:52 | Llorean | hen3rz: System->Version |
| 15:27:01 | austriancoder | Should stuff like: audiohw_set_lineout_vol be implemented in an audio driver, when no target using this codec has a lineout (codec supports it)? |
| 15:27:19 | hen3rz | r13102-070411 |
| 15:27:29 | Llorean | austriancoder: Assuming you mean the Sansa, are you sure the dock port doesn't have a lineout? |
| 15:27:54 | austriancoder | Llorean: dock port? |
| 15:28:18 | Llorean | The plug on the bottom. |
| 15:28:29 | Llorean | That you most commonly connect the USB cable to |
| 15:29:03 | austriancoder | ah.. okay.. i will dont touch the line out code |
| 15:29:07 | Llorean | markun: Looks like it could be either one of kkurbjun's commits. I was hoping it could be narrowed to one, but his first of the two was 13103 |
| 15:29:25 | Llorean | austriancoder: The iPods, and I think the H10 as well, have line-outs through that connector. |
| 15:29:53 | markun | Llorean: yes, probably. Pretty anoying that we don't have devs with both a F and X |
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| 15:30:17 | markun | still secretly hoping that toffe can get his hands on some X60s :) |
| 15:31:27 | Llorean | markun: It's possible we may need separate builds for the F and X, in the end. |
| 15:31:38 | markun | Llorean: yes |
| 15:31:47 | markun | not a big problem really |
| 15:32:35 | markun | hen3rz: maybe you could talk to kkurbjun about is when he gets back |
| 15:32:50 | Llorean | markun: What Kkurbjun changed was USB, maybe you should check on that, since you mentioned USB problems with the X already |
| 15:33:28 | Mmmm | Hmmm cant commit: "apps/recorder/icons.h' remains in conflict" but there is no conflict..... very strange... |
| 15:34:19 | JdGordon | Mmmm: what are you commiting to that file?! |
| 15:34:37 | Mmmm | just some new 7x7 icons |
| 15:34:46 | hen3rz | markun: ok, well its quite late here in australia and i think its time to get some sleep, ill leave my IRC open so i can check back when i wake up to see if any information is needed |
| 15:34:47 | JdGordon | oh ok.. your allowd to do that :) |
| 15:34:51 | markun | well, he also made some changes to the setup of the GPIO pins, right? Or why did the button LEDs act weird? |
| 15:34:54 | Mmmm | oh ta :D |
| 15:35:07 | markun | hen3rz: maybe he will not even be here today |
| 15:35:11 | markun | good night |
| 15:35:17 | hen3rz | thanks for your help Llorean and markun |
| 15:35:21 | hen3rz | cyas later |
| 15:35:22 | austriancoder | for what is used BIAS in audio codecs? |
| 15:35:39 | Llorean | markun: Yeah, he did, but the intent was for USB and ATA, he wasn't *trying* to do anything LED related. |
| 15:35:43 | Llorean | He just ended up doing so. |
| 15:36:54 | Llorean | markun: The bigger problem was that if the LED backlight went off while USB was connected, it wouldn't come back on until you reconnected USB or shut down the player. |
| 15:37:05 | Llorean | Somewhat similar to "the LED backlight is constantly off" for the Xs. |
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| 15:49:43 | JdGordon | grrrrrrrr! |
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| 15:50:15 | markun | JdGordon: you're starting to sound like amiconn :) |
| 15:50:28 | Mmmm | this isn't funny anymore...how come I cant commit. I've done an svn update, there are no conflicts with icons.h, everything compiles nicely and yet "apps/recorder/icons.h' remains in conflict" |
| 15:50:49 | JdGordon | Mmmm: have you got icons.h.* ? |
| 15:51:01 | JdGordon | .rxxxxx and .mine |
| 15:51:33 | Mmmm | yes |
| 15:51:44 | Mmmm | doesnt it like those? |
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| 15:52:04 | JdGordon | it doesnt.. delete them both |
| 15:52:08 | JdGordon | then your good to go |
| 15:52:17 | Mmmm | hokey de dokedy... |
| 15:52:30 | JdGordon | sounds like your going to break my icons patch :( |
| 15:53:23 | Mmmm | nah..it is a truly tiny change! |
| 15:56:56 | Lear | Run "svn resolved" on the files it complains about (after fixing them, ofcourse). |
| 15:57:07 | Mmmm | God, that was tedious...having to delete all thos .mine and .rxxxxx files |
| 15:57:22 | Mmmm | it worked though |
| 15:57:39 | Mmmm | Lear: what does svn resolved do? |
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| 15:58:12 | Lear | It tells svn that you have fixed the conflicts. |
| 15:58:59 | Mmmm | ahh right, would that automatically delete the files then? |
| 15:59:07 | Lear | Maybe all it does is deleting the extra files. Might do something more though. |
| 15:59:23 | Mmmm | after deleting it worked |
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| 16:00:55 | * | bluebrother awaits the red size delta ... |
| 16:02:40 | PaulJam | JdGordon: with the icons patch, is it possible to assign an icon to unknown filetypes (so every file has an icon)? |
| 16:03:11 | JdGordon | I might add two icons for that, one for unknown files and one for known file without a icon |
| 16:04:38 | Lear | Slasheri: Do we accept anonymous code now of a sudden? :) |
| 16:05:19 | Lear | Not that it was much code... |
| 16:07:31 | daurnimator | JdGordon: i've got the vmware image now :D |
| 16:07:46 | JdGordon | goodo :) |
| 16:07:59 | daurnimator | now to extract :P |
| 16:08:18 | Mmmm | red size delta in orbit |
| 16:08:30 | bluebrother | Mmmm, hide before amiconn comes back ;-) |
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| 16:08:37 | Slasheri | Lear: hmm, in fact not sure about that. However, as author also said, it was mainly a copy/paste addition |
| 16:08:52 | bluebrother | but why is there even that much red delta even for the player? |
| 16:09:26 | Mmmm | I added a multi int setting for everybody to handle the menu |
| 16:09:57 | markun | Lear, Slasheri: actually I don't think it's such a big problem now I think about it again. It's just like taking any other piece of GPL code and including it. |
| 16:10:30 | markun | We didn't put the guys who made the various audio decoders in our credit file either |
| 16:10:32 | daurnimator | JdGordon: booting :P |
| 16:11:17 | bluebrother | Mmmm, why do you store the time in h/m/s instead of a long holding the seconds only? |
| 16:11:53 | bluebrother | looks a bit like waste to me |
| 16:11:54 | Lear | Only reason I mentioned it was because of all the discussions when certain patches weren't accepted when the author refused to reveal his real name... |
| 16:11:58 | JdGordon | 3k deltas! |
| 16:12:07 | Mmmm | it was just easier to handle |
| 16:12:07 | markun | Lear: yes, I remember those |
| 16:12:19 | markun | maybe we shouldn't care so much |
| 16:12:25 | Mmmm | bluebrother: |
| 16:12:36 | Mmmm | maybe ill think about changing it... |
| 16:12:47 | bluebrother | easier to handle? that trigger_listener looks quite overcomplicated to me ... |
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| 16:13:10 | bluebrother | with all this if / else if clauses |
| 16:13:15 | Mmmm | trigger_listener? |
| 16:13:54 | Mmmm | you mean the tick task? |
| 16:14:13 | JdGordon | revert!!! revert1!! |
| 16:14:24 | Lear | Changing existing .lang strings? (And not completely change them too.) |
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| 16:15:00 | Mmmm | oh dear....it seems to be going down like a lead balloon |
| 16:15:14 | Mmmm | it is quite heavy i suppose |
| 16:15:42 | bluebrother | yes, I mean tick_task. Looks like viewvc was fooling me |
| 16:15:44 | JdGordon | int value[varcount]; <- you can do that? |
| 16:15:53 | preglow | holy shit |
| 16:15:53 | preglow | ahahaha |
| 16:15:56 | preglow | 3k for that feature |
| 16:16:04 | bluebrother | JdGordon: yes, with c99 |
| 16:16:25 | bluebrother | but I'm not exactly sure how it's supposed to allocate the space. |
| 16:16:36 | Mmmm | for the lang string, should I change the source too? |
| 16:16:51 | JdGordon | bluebrother: i guess on the stack, |
| 16:17:11 | JdGordon | FOR_NB_SCREENS(i) screens[i].getstringsize("3", &w, &h); <- wtf? that wont work |
| 16:17:20 | bluebrother | hmm. Right, but then it would only work when creating variables on the stack. Should re-read the explanation for that again ;-) |
| 16:17:20 | JdGordon | well.. the for is pointless |
| 16:17:21 | Mmmm | why not? |
| 16:17:35 | preglow | really though |
| 16:17:47 | preglow | i think we should have an embargo on adding new features that eat space until romboxes are back |
| 16:17:51 | bluebrother | shouldn't getstringsize() return the same value regardless of the screen? |
| 16:17:53 | JdGordon | well, either you store both sizes to the same variables, or the sizes will be the same |
| 16:17:55 | preglow | this will be a neverending battle |
| 16:18:26 | bluebrother | hmm, a feature freeze might be nice |
| 16:18:34 | preglow | not a feature-freeze as such |
| 16:18:40 | bluebrother | to work on space saving for a while ... |
| 16:18:41 | JdGordon | pretty much it would be |
| 16:18:49 | preglow | but if we want to have rombox back, we can't just add features |
| 16:18:53 | bluebrother | yes, it would be more like a size-freeze :) |
| 16:19:11 | preglow | so either we declare that we don't want rombox, or we stop adding features until it's back, at which point we have some serious discussing to do |
| 16:19:41 | bluebrother | isn't "no one is allowed to add new features" commonly called "feature freeze"? |
| 16:19:53 | JdGordon | Mmmm: is the set_multi_int function 2k? did that patch affect the sansa at all? |
| 16:19:56 | Lear | Mmmm: source and dest should be the same for English. But better not change the meaning of a string like that. Confusing for voice file users. |
| 16:19:58 | preglow | bluebrother: features that don't eat size is ok |
| 16:20:05 | preglow | eating 3k for a feature almost no one will use just like that sure doesn't help things |
| 16:20:12 | bluebrother | so call it "soft freeze" maybe? |
| 16:20:23 | preglow | "we want rombox back freeze" :> |
| 16:20:32 | bluebrother | :D |
| 16:20:54 | bluebrother | such a freeze could also get used for concentrating on bugfixing |
| 16:21:05 | preglow | sure |
| 16:21:09 | preglow | we could use some of that now |
| 16:22:06 | bluebrother | maybe freeze between devcon-EU and devcon-US? Then we just need enough time between both ;-) |
| 16:22:13 | * | JdGordon suggested that last week and got shouted down :D |
| 16:22:31 | JdGordon | what about devcon-melb ? |
| 16:22:39 | bluebrother | nah, too far |
| 16:22:50 | daurnimator | lol |
| 16:22:55 | daurnimator | we can have ours whenever really |
| 16:22:55 | bluebrother | but I would like to visit SYD once again. Great city. |
| 16:23:07 | preglow | i really also miss some discussion around when features are added. right now, people can just add whatever they like, and i don't know if that's what's best for rockbox |
| 16:23:16 | daurnimator | how bout you also have a devcon-air |
| 16:23:18 | daurnimator | - on the flight |
| 16:23:28 | preglow | just my opinion, of course |
| 16:23:33 | bluebrother | preglow: agreed |
| 16:23:37 | JdGordon | Mmmm: why would anyone want to set a recroding a week in advance? |
| 16:23:53 | daurnimator | :( |
| 16:24:02 | daurnimator | this is taking AGES to checkout rockbx |
| 16:24:03 | JdGordon | remove set_multi_int, store the record time in a single int and the size delta wont look so bad |
| 16:24:12 | preglow | i think this feature is waaay too elaborate |
| 16:24:17 | JdGordon | you can use the formatter to make it still look nice |
| 16:24:17 | bluebrother | maybe we should have more discussion of new features on the dev-ml? |
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| 16:24:24 | preglow | bluebrother: i sure think so |
| 16:24:50 | JdGordon | bluebrother: i agree, but even there we dont usually come to an agreement |
| 16:25:02 | preglow | agreement is too much to hope for |
| 16:25:04 | JdGordon | we need a heavy handed dictator ! |
| 16:25:16 | * | markun votes for LinusN |
| 16:25:19 | preglow | but at least the times when absolutely no one thinks a thing is a good idea gets through |
| 16:25:24 | * | JdGordon secnds markun |
| 16:25:26 | preglow | and some modifications might be done as a result |
| 16:25:33 | * | JdGordon also wonder shwere Mmmm vanished to :D |
| 16:25:39 | * | preglow votes for anyone i approve of which wants the job:> |
| 16:25:43 | bluebrother | right. But currently if you're out of irc for a while you're like cut from development. And reading discussions on the ml is much more handy than reading the logs |
| 16:26:04 | preglow | doing it on irc doesn't work |
| 16:26:23 | preglow | so dev-ml indeed |
| 16:26:27 | preglow | it doesn't see enough use anyway |
| 16:26:41 | * | bluebrother seconds preglow |
| 16:26:50 | JdGordon | Mmmm: or at the very least, move set_multi_int into recordering_menu.c untill a non recording target needs it |
| 16:27:01 | Mmmm | JdGordon: soory...cooking. A few people have asked for a week! mad eh? |
| 16:27:26 | JdGordon | overkill if you ask me :p |
| 16:27:28 | Mmmm | yes i thought about that but then i thought maybe it'd be usefull for clock setting etc |
| 16:27:34 | Mmmm | and other timers |
| 16:27:34 | JdGordon | 24 hours would be a sane max imo |
| 16:27:46 | Mmmm | i tried that and there was an outcry! :D |
| 16:27:55 | bluebrother | I would store the value in a long and only support to the maximum value it can get |
| 16:28:14 | JdGordon | which is a crazy amount of years! |
| 16:28:16 | * | bluebrother hands Mmmm some earplugs :D |
| 16:28:22 | JdGordon | no wait... 32 days |
| 16:28:24 | Mmmm | :D |
| 16:28:35 | * | JdGordon checks... |
| 16:28:36 | * | bluebrother hasn't checked LONG_MAX |
| 16:28:42 | JdGordon | yes 32 days is longer than a week |
| 16:28:43 | preglow | 2^31 - 1 |
| 16:29:24 | JdGordon | Mmmm: the other thing i dont like is you brought back the options sturct.... settings_list.c is supposed to handle all this |
| 16:29:42 | preglow | please massage this patch further, though, 3k added for this is just crazy |
| 16:29:48 | Mmmm | better check the pilchards arent burning.... |
| 16:29:49 | preglow | now, it's bikey time for me |
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| 16:30:51 | bluebrother | hmm, 2^32-1 yields 49 days for me ... |
| 16:31:03 | daurnimator | 31 |
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| 16:32:08 | daurnimator | 50 for me |
| 16:32:13 | daurnimator | wait |
| 16:32:15 | daurnimator | 49 |
| 16:32:15 | daurnimator | :P |
| 16:32:24 | bluebrother | still 49.7 days here ... does anyone know about a good RPN calculator for linux? |
| 16:32:37 | * | bluebrother hates non-RPN calculators |
| 16:32:37 | JdGordon | my 1st year cs assignemnt :p |
| 16:33:04 | JdGordon | good way to teach trees in c :p |
| 16:33:07 | daurnimator | do we minus 1 before or after? :P |
| 16:33:17 | JdGordon | (2^32) -1 |
| 16:33:49 | daurnimator | ok, 48.71 - assuming the regular 1000/60/60/24 |
| 16:34:43 | JdGordon | or... the max number of days win98 could run before crashing for sure :D |
| 16:34:47 | bluebrother | 1000? it's 3600s / h ... |
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| 16:34:57 | bluebrother | wasn't that NT4 too? |
| 16:35:01 | JdGordon | probably |
| 16:35:55 | rift | i have a question about ipod's nano batterie |
| 16:36:07 | rift | when i plug the batterie loader on the ipod |
| 16:36:18 | rift | it happend nothing |
| 16:36:33 | daurnimator | ugh |
| 16:36:39 | daurnimator | STILL getting checked out |
| 16:38:20 | bluebrother | rift, explain "nothing" |
| 16:38:43 | rift | the batterie metter doesn"t moove |
| 16:38:48 | JdGordon | battery loader == carger? |
| 16:38:58 | bluebrother | which "meter" are you referring to? wps? Statusbar? |
| 16:39:06 | rift | wps |
| 16:39:20 | bluebrother | the wps doesn't need to do that. This depends on the wps |
| 16:39:40 | bluebrother | go to the menu and look at the status bar icon. Does it show some charging animation? |
| 16:39:54 | rift | no animation |
| 16:40:13 | bluebrother | do you have some charger icon in the status bar? |
| 16:40:42 | rift | ha |
| 16:40:56 | rift | i think it is charging the batterie |
| 16:41:03 | rift | but it have no animation |
| 16:41:43 | bluebrother | hmm, the mini doesn't seem to detect the power from usb as charger connection. Maybe it's the same issue |
| 16:42:00 | bluebrother | if you have a charger icon in the statusbar it is charging. |
| 16:42:00 | rift | probably |
| 16:42:16 | rift | i havent charger icon, but the % on wps up |
| 16:42:53 | bluebrother | the wps doesn't need to show the default status bar (and most wps don't show it) |
| 16:43:10 | bluebrother | I don't think there is a wps tag to indicate a connected charger. |
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| 16:43:50 | rift | it's no tag but after it was a 40% and now it's 50% |
| 16:43:51 | bluebrother | now I know why the runtime was never reset on my mini :o |
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| 16:45:21 | * | linuxstb wonders if Slasheri is aware of the "no anonymous contributions" rule... |
| 16:45:38 | chips[zof] | hey, i'm having an issue installing the bootloader on an ipod. When i run ipodpatcher (0.9) it gives "image movement failed" |
| 16:45:55 | chips[zof] | ive had a search through irc logs and the wiki but there doesnt seem to have been much resolution |
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| 16:47:21 | bluebrother | chips[zof], do you have any other bootloader installed? Like Loader2 of IPL? |
| 16:47:46 | chips[zof] | bluebrother: nope, fresh 30gig video ipod |
| 16:47:53 | chips[zof] | according to itunes it has the latest firmware on |
| 16:47:55 | bluebrother | hmm. |
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| 16:48:39 | linuxstb | chips[zof]: What OS are you using? |
| 16:48:49 | chips[zof] | sorry, winxp, with admin privs |
| 16:49:03 | linuxstb | Does it display anything else before that message? |
| 16:49:35 | chips[zof] | [INFO] Moving images to create room for new firmware... |
| 16:49:36 | chips[zof] | Error reading from disk: The request could not be performed because of an I/O d |
| 16:49:36 | chips[zof] | evice error. |
| 16:49:48 | linuxstb | OK, that's more informative... |
| 16:49:59 | chips[zof] | does this channel have flood protection? |
| 16:50:06 | linuxstb | So it sounds like an I/O error for some reason. |
| 16:50:18 | Soap | scorche is all the flood protection needed. |
| 16:50:25 | linuxstb | :) |
| 16:50:37 | linuxstb | floods are frowned upon... |
| 16:50:58 | bluebrother | if you want to paste multiple lines use a pastebin ... if that is the reason for your question ;-) |
| 16:51:03 | daurnimator | STILL getting checked out |
| 16:51:07 | daurnimator | hoq long does it take? |
| 16:51:20 | daurnimator | been 40mins so far |
| 16:51:51 | JdGordon | wtf? its only 30mb... |
| 16:52:00 | JdGordon | is it actually doing anything? |
| 16:52:05 | daurnimator | yeah |
| 16:52:15 | daurnimator | starts a new file every second or so |
| 16:52:27 | JdGordon | which is it up to? |
| 16:52:37 | bluebrother | daurnimator, running on cygwin maybe? |
| 16:52:41 | daurnimator | currently on rockbox/uisimulator/sdl/timefuncs.h |
| 16:52:48 | chips[zof] | http://pastebin.ca/441129 |
| 16:52:49 | chips[zof] | there |
| 16:53:16 | JdGordon | daurnimator: so your almost done... |
| 16:53:28 | linuxstb | chips[zof]: As I said, there's an I/O error which is your problem... |
| 16:53:56 | chips[zof] | hrm. is there any way to tell where that is? on the ipod, usb, OS? |
| 16:54:00 | bluebrother | maybe there is a hub between ipod and pc that causes trouble? |
| 16:54:18 | chips[zof] | no hub, ill try a different usb port. the ipod works otherwise, i transferred the rockbox file onto it just before |
| 16:54:22 | bluebrother | you could also run a live linux system and try to use ipodpatcher from there |
| 16:54:30 | linuxstb | The text "The request could not be performed because of an I/O device error." is from windows. Maybe google would help. |
| 16:54:50 | daurnimator | JdGordon: its not alphabetical... |
| 16:54:54 | daurnimator | WOOT done |
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| 16:56:12 | chips[zof] | ok. it just worked |
| 16:56:19 | chips[zof] | thanks, i moved it to a different usb port |
| 16:56:19 | spiorf_ | hi, there are two songs in database without the corresponding files. how can i delete them without losing all play stats? |
| 16:56:41 | spiorf_ | i tried to manually update the database, but didn't worked |
| 16:57:12 | bluebrother | iirc you need to have dircache enabled for that to work |
| 16:57:56 | spiorf_ | ok thanks, i think i disabled it, since its a flash player i thought it wasn't necessary |
| 16:58:42 | bluebrother | hmm. Good point for flash players. |
| 16:59:08 | Slasheri | spiorf_: you can export the database to database_changelog.txt |
| 16:59:24 | Slasheri | spiorf_: that way you don't lose stats when re-initializing the db |
| 16:59:52 | spiorf_ | so the "changelog" means play stats? |
| 17:00 |
| 17:00:42 | Slasheri | it contains almost everything the db has |
| 17:00:51 | Slasheri | but just playstats are imported atm |
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| 17:04:54 | spiorf_ | anyway, enabling dircache worked :) |
| 17:06:52 | spiorf_ | these ghost track made me really sad, since i abandoned shitunes and apple's firmware because of ghost tracks |
| 17:07:13 | spiorf_ | at least with rockbox i don't have to delete everything and copy again |
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| 17:11:14 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 17:15:30 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Anonymous contribution? |
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| 17:22:09 | Slasheri | linuxstb: please check earlier what i said for Lear about that |
| 17:22:55 | linuxstb | I have. |
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| 17:23:20 | linuxstb | But I disagree. AFAIK, Rockbox doesn't accept anonymous contributions, so the patch should have been rejected. |
| 17:23:42 | Slasheri | hmm, i can revert that then. However, then i need to do similar one myself |
| 17:23:50 | Slasheri | and that is going to be almost identical |
| 17:24:03 | linuxstb | I think that's the right thing, given the policy. |
| 17:24:14 | Slasheri | ok, i will revert it |
| 17:25:04 | markun | :) |
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| 17:27:39 | tHEkIND | Is anyone here ? |
| 17:27:46 | markun | yes |
| 17:27:46 | austriancoder | yes |
| 17:28:04 | tHEkIND | On the MPEGPlayer plugin page |
| 17:28:28 | tHEkIND | The FPS for Iriver H10 5/6GB isn't displayed |
| 17:28:41 | markun | tHEkIND: maybe you can try it and fill in the values |
| 17:28:43 | tHEkIND | I assume you don't have the scores: |
| 17:28:49 | tHEkIND | I just done it |
| 17:28:52 | markun | ah :) |
| 17:28:54 | markun | good |
| 17:29:09 | tHEkIND | For 128x96 it's 39/40 |
| 17:29:18 | tHEkIND | 39.0 |
| 17:29:27 | tHEkIND | and 128x128 |
| 17:29:31 | tHEkIND | 27.5 i think |
| 17:29:45 | PaulJam | Sorry for causing this much trouble by posting this patch anonymously, i thougt it was no big deal... |
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| 17:30:35 | tHEkIND | 29.6fo 128x128 |
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| 17:31:27 | tHEkIND | and nice job ! |
| 17:31:32 | markun | tHEkIND: does the H10 screen have a 4:3 aspect ratio or 1:1? |
| 17:31:57 | tHEkIND | The screen is 128x128 |
| 17:32:11 | tHEkIND | When i read a 128x128 mpeg i see 128x128 |
| 17:32:19 | tHEkIND | And 128x96 i see 128x128 |
| 17:32:23 | tHEkIND | 128x96 sorry |
| 17:32:25 | markun | I mean, is the screen square? |
| 17:32:40 | markun | or rectangular |
| 17:32:48 | markun | maybe I should just google for it |
| 17:32:49 | tHEkIND | Yes, the 5/6GB have a square screen |
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| 17:34:32 | linuxstb | markun: I don't think I did a 16:9 ratio elephants dream for the H10/5GB - it would have only been 128x72... |
| 17:35:07 | tHEkIND | I can test a 128x72 if you want |
| 17:35:36 | linuxstb | It's OK, I would need to encode it first... It seems the H10 5GB won't struggle for full-screen video. |
| 17:35:53 | linuxstb | Although the user might... |
| 17:36:22 | markun | yes, it's not the best screen to watch videos |
| 17:36:29 | tHEkIND | +1 |
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| 17:37:11 | linuxstb | About 10% the number of pixels of the Gigabeat... |
| 17:37:25 | markun | linuxstb: I was thinking we maybe could replace transparent plastic of the Gigabeat case with a fresnel lense, what do you think? |
| 17:37:27 | tHEkIND | What the price of the gigabeat :D ? |
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| 17:37:45 | markun | tHEkIND: it was under $100 a few days ago |
| 17:37:51 | tHEkIND | o_O |
| 17:37:54 | markun | but all of them were sold (4000) |
| 17:38:10 | markun | that was the F40 |
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| 17:39:10 | linuxstb | markun: You've lost me... |
| 17:39:33 | markun | linuxstb: a flat magnifying glass |
| 17:39:49 | markun | like used in overhead projectors, but I've also seen them in credit card sizes |
| 17:40:06 | linuxstb | Google found me this picture :) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/MuseeMarine-phareFresnel-p1000466.jpg/180px-MuseeMarine-phareFresnel-p1000466.jpg |
| 17:40:27 | tHEkIND | Yeah fresnel it's a fresnel lens |
| 17:40:36 | tHEkIND | My college is named "fresnel" |
| 17:40:37 | markun | linuxstb: exactly the one I was looking for :) |
| 17:41:34 | tHEkIND | So MPEGPLayer rebuffers now ? |
| 17:41:41 | markun | yes |
| 17:41:47 | tHEkIND | And |
| 17:41:52 | tHEkIND | I had some MPEG |
| 17:42:21 | tHEkIND | With a frame for around 20 seconds on the beginning |
| 17:42:22 | XavierGr | I suppose that the only thing missing on mpegplayer is seeking (save optimisations) |
| 17:42:37 | linuxstb | Playlists, resume, bookmarking etc |
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| 17:43:15 | linuxstb | And obviously people will want visual seeking... |
| 17:43:39 | tHEkIND | yes :D |
| 17:43:46 | tHEkIND | WIth a progress bar ^^ |
| 17:43:53 | * | tHEkIND slaps himself |
| 17:44:06 | markun | linuxstb: jhMikeS already has some nice ideas for overlay |
| 17:44:23 | XavierGr | linuxstb: well yeah all that would be great, but seeking is the most important IMHO right now. Playlist? as a plugin? |
| 17:45:10 | linuxstb | Playlist as in being able to play a sequence of videos |
| 17:46:14 | * | linuxstb afk |
| 17:47:17 | markun | linuxstb: I was talking about something like this: http://www.grannysstore.com/Wilderness_Survival/Fresnel_Lens_Fire_Starter.htm |
| 17:48:47 | markun | or http://www.3dlens.com/shop/credit-card-magnifier-fresnel-lens.php |
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| 17:49:56 | markun | for only $0.69 it could be worth a try |
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| 18:00:59 | Soap | just don't leave your gigabeat out in the sun ;) |
| 18:01:20 | markun | :) |
| 18:01:34 | markun | I wonder how bad the image quality will be |
| 18:01:57 | markun | and maybe the distance between the screen and the case is not big enough |
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| 18:06:41 | rogermudd | Having some troubles with my rockbox/ipod mini/ubuntu combination. Rockbox was working fine and then I plugged the device into a another machine running KDE. Now when I go back to *my* Ubuntu/Gnome machine the device is not recognized. Tried lsusb and dmesg and neither of those commands seem to indicate a working mass storage device. Any ideas? |
| 18:07:10 | yossa | holla, I just saw talk about fresnel lenses from markun in the logs. Just thought I'd tell from my experience |
| 18:07:28 | markun | yossa: please do |
| 18:08:00 | yossa | they won't work at all as a replacement for the plastic covering the screen |
| 18:08:05 | yossa | on any player |
| 18:08:12 | yossa | it's too close |
| 18:08:16 | markun | aha, too bad |
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| 18:08:45 | yossa | however, with a credit card sized lens, ou could manage a contraption that gives quite good results |
| 18:09:01 | markun | yossa: yes, I was also thinking about that |
| 18:09:08 | yossa | if you construct a high enough base |
| 18:09:32 | markun | did you do something like that? |
| 18:09:34 | yossa | 2-3 cm should suffice for a lens that size, and I believe it actually was a product sold for gameboys |
| 18:09:56 | yossa | I have an A4 sized fresnel sheet |
| 18:10:26 | yossa | it;s not the optical quality of the credit card ones, but it works - not portable of course :D |
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| 18:10:53 | markun | yossa: thanks for the info. I think I'll order a few |
| 18:11:25 | yossa | there will be distortions in the corners most likely |
| 18:11:44 | yossa | but it is an improvement (I tested on sansa) |
| 18:12:04 | markun | rogermudd: maybe you can reboot the ipod into disk mode |
| 18:12:29 | markun | or did you try that already? |
| 18:13:13 | markun | yossa: it's a lot more fun to watch videos on my Gigabeat than I imagined :) |
| 18:13:30 | rogermudd | markun: how do you do that? Menu+Select and then Select+Play immediately afterward? |
| 18:13:52 | markun | rogermudd: I'm not sure, but it should be in the IpodFAQ wiki page |
| 18:14:17 | rogermudd | markun: Okay. I'll check. Thanks. |
| 18:14:26 | markun | yossa: about to watch episode 4 of Twin Peaks :) |
| 18:14:51 | yossa | love the series, twin peaks on the run sounds good : |
| 18:14:54 | yossa | :) |
| 18:15:19 | preglow | twin peaks rocks |
| 18:15:22 | markun | I fell asleep during the pilot (because it was very late) and without seeking support that sucks |
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| 18:19:30 | yossa | markun: I just checked the 3dlens.com website - the credit card sized ones have focal lenght of 160 mm - which means that best optical results will be achieved when you hold the lens at that distance from subject. |
| 18:20:02 | yossa | it probably means just a lesser magnification when it's closer than that, but I would check with the company |
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| 18:20:43 | yossa | and ask what is the closest distance you can use it without blurring |
| 18:21:45 | rogermudd | markun: Doesn't seem to be working. Just stuck at the boot screen with the Apple logo. (BTW - to boot into Apple firmware you switch on the hold switch immediately after resetting). |
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| 18:32:54 | schizm | been wanting to rockbox my sansa e260 for a while, i see a version is up now, anyone here tried it out? |
| 18:33:12 | rogermudd | markun: okay. was able to get into disk mode resetting and holding down select and play after resetting.unfortunately, i'm getting this error as described by dmesg "can't set config #1, error -32" |
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| 18:36:47 | yossa | schizm: what do you want to know, I've got e250 |
| 18:37:14 | schizm | just opinions on whether it's a good upgrade? No brainer to do? |
| 18:37:31 | schizm | im relatively happy with the current setup after a lot of twiddling and a 3rd party playlist generator |
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| 18:41:03 | yossa | schizm: well, sound is still better in original firmware (at high volume settings), but with yesterday's commit rockbox on sansa sounds really good. Plus you'll have all the other nice features. |
| 18:41:40 | schizm | yossa: what do you consider "nice features". ive skimmed the release docs and dont see anything super applicable, but im probably missing a bunch |
| 18:42:29 | rogermudd | Eureka. Seem to have fixed the problem. Had to make sure it was plugged into a powered USB port. I thought my monitor's (Dell 2005fpw) ports were powered. Evidently not. Plugged it into the front of my tower while in disk mode and I'm now able to access the contents of the ipod. Thanks all for your help. |
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| 18:43:35 | yossa | schizm: depends on what you want to get out of your player. Rockbox has some really robust controls for audio playback. I'm sure you know about games and other plugins. |
| 18:44:11 | schizm | aye |
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| 18:44:46 | schizm | yossa: I guess I might as well try it out...from what I gather it's easy to go back to default firmware should I need to? ie. I'm not risking bricking my player anymore with the contemporary releases? |
| 18:45:01 | yossa | here's a page listing rockbox features in comparision to other firmwares (no sansa): http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison |
| 18:45:31 | yossa | as long as you follow the installation guidelina |
| 18:45:38 | yossa | *guideline |
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| 18:47:08 | schizm | thanks yossa, appreciated |
| 18:47:24 | yossa | no problem |
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| 18:54:05 | preglow | loadable icons looks nice |
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| 19:01:20 | pearldiver | preglow it seems the patch doesn't work anymore |
| 19:04:01 | spiorf_ | pearldiver, i had the same problem |
| 19:04:18 | spiorf_ | if you want i can give you a fixed patch |
| 19:04:28 | pearldiver | spiorf_ would be nice |
| 19:05:29 | pearldiver | spiorf_ do you also patch with the new dict patch by any chance? |
| 19:05:55 | spiorf_ | pearldiver, no, only that and wps_line_height |
| 19:06:05 | pearldiver | okies |
| 19:07:03 | spiorf_ | pearldiver, http://rafb.net/p/t8mIaO85.txt |
| 19:07:16 | pearldiver | thanks |
| 19:07:18 | toffe82 | for the ones who want a gigabeat F60 : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280103213068&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:middle:us |
| 19:07:25 | spiorf_ | it's only "extern const unsigned char bitmap_icons_7x7[Icon7x7Last][7];" added at line 103 |
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| 19:08:51 | pearldiver | spiorf_ somehow the latest version gave me an error with bookmarks.c while compiling |
| 19:09:06 | spiorf_ | it worked fine here |
| 19:09:17 | spiorf_ | (ipod nano) |
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| 19:12:17 | spiorf_ | pearldiver, the thing that i don't really understand is why that patch applied until today, because the rejected file didn't changed in some weeks |
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| 19:15:24 | rift | i tried to run rockboy on ipod nano, but when i am in this screen i didn't find the key to select |
| 19:15:28 | rift | http://dayzof.info/index/ipod/dump 070415-190910.bmp |
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| 19:16:31 | pearldiver | spiorf_ that worked |
| 19:19:45 | spiorf_ | rift, try tapping the scrollwheel in different position |
| 19:19:58 | spiorf_ | not pressing, only put finger on |
| 19:20:04 | rift | ok |
| 19:21:13 | rift | it doesn't work |
| 19:21:24 | rift | but i have tried to change the key with the menu |
| 19:21:59 | rift | how to reset the key config ? |
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| 19:28:38 | pearldiver | spiorf_ what set of icons do you use? |
| 19:29:10 | pearldiver | i find it a bit confusing now since the viewers icons became the separate file |
| 19:29:47 | pearldiver | lets say i want to use aliask's icons |
| 19:30:13 | pearldiver | in in /.rockbox/icons i have |
| 19:30:18 | pearldiver | aliask.bmp |
| 19:30:28 | pearldiver | aliask_viewers.bmp |
| 19:30:39 | pearldiver | aliask_viewers.config |
| 19:30:41 | spiorf_ | i use this http://79.1.217.136/uploads/default_icons.6x8x16.bmp |
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| 19:30:55 | spiorf_ | but since trying to load a icon theme made my player crash |
| 19:31:22 | spiorf_ | i copy that file before compiling in apps/bitmaps/native/ |
| 19:32:50 | spiorf_ | pearldiver, where did you find that icon theme? |
| 19:33:06 | pearldiver | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7013 |
| 19:33:21 | pearldiver | it seems *.config should be *.icons |
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| 19:37:06 | pearldiver | well i cant get viewers icons to work |
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| 19:40:28 | telliott | I have a question about the newer Archos V1 recorder builds, with the new menu. |
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| 19:41:36 | telliott | The "save poweroff" function doesn't work from the main menu |
| 19:42:53 | telliott | I meant "safe poweroff" |
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| 19:48:39 | pearldiver | preglow how did you go about viewers icons? |
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| 19:50:48 | stripwax | if only the custom icons supported alpha blending too |
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| 19:51:24 | preglow | pearldiver: by watching a screenshot |
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| 19:53:14 | rift | which version of gcc do you use to compile rockbox ? |
| 19:54:13 | TrueJournals | rift: Read the CrossCompiler page on the wiki |
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| 20:00:12 | rift | yes but i'am using gcc-3.4.6 and it fail |
| 20:01:08 | TrueJournals | Did you read the page? You need special version of gcc for different targets. Use the rockboxdev script to set up a good environment |
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| 20:05:59 | pearldiver | preglow HA |
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| 20:19:23 | scorche | Soap: but i cant be here 24/7 ;) |
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| 20:25:10 | flyinghippo | Hello, I have a quick question. |
| 20:25:31 | ampleyfly | aren't you going to ask for permission to ask it first? |
| 20:25:33 | flyinghippo | Do plugins such as the GnuBoy port and Doom plugin come included with Rockbox, or are they acquired from a different source? |
| 20:25:49 | flyinghippo | P.S. May the above question be asked? |
| 20:26:06 | ampleyfly | haha |
| 20:26:34 | ampleyfly | sorry, I couldn't help myself :/ |
| 20:26:55 | bluebrother | flyinghippo, yes, they do |
| 20:27:13 | bluebrother | just use the "Browse Plugins" menu entry and see yourself ... |
| 20:27:34 | SliMM | bluebrother: that's for doom |
| 20:27:52 | SliMM | for rockboy, just click the .gb or .gbc file |
| 20:28:00 | bluebrother | doom is included. Rockboy too. |
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| 20:28:10 | TrueJournals | However, you'll need extra files to actually play doom |
| 20:28:11 | bluebrother | you still need additional game files, but the plugin itself is included. |
| 20:28:42 | SliMM | i've just finished playing pokemon on py ipod :D |
| 20:28:43 | bluebrother | for doom you can find needed files following the "extras" link on the site menu |
| 20:31:29 | davina | does anyone know if the midplayer plugin is supposed to work? I loaded the patchset for the instruments, but every time I play something I get the first few notes then it just goes crazy with "BUffer Miss!" errors |
| 20:32:06 | bluebrother | it works fine for me |
| 20:32:40 | davina | is that on an iPod? |
| 20:32:49 | bluebrother | no, on h120 |
| 20:32:56 | bluebrother | but I could try on the mini |
| 20:33:38 | SliMM | daviana: midi files play two times slower than the ipod can play |
| 20:33:49 | SliMM | davina* |
| 20:34:20 | SliMM | so the ipod plays them too fast, and the buffer gets empty |
| 20:34:34 | davina | ah i thought it was sounding like a speeded up record |
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| 20:35:27 | davina | oh well at least I know. i was just curious to get it working. |
| 20:35:42 | SliMM | i don't think you can |
| 20:35:54 | davina | but at least the zx spectrum emulator plugin works :) |
| 20:36:12 | SliMM | rockboy also works :) |
| 20:37:05 | davina | yeah i havent tried that. i've tried doom and pacbox they're cool. would be nice to have sound tho, but I saw some1 has already requested that |
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| 20:37:54 | SliMM | it was hard to figure out the keybindings for rockboy |
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| 20:39:43 | * | davina deletes the .mid files and patchset from the ipod |
| 20:41:18 | bluebrother | davina, I get tons of Buffer Miss! on the midi when trying to play a midi too. |
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| 20:42:20 | davina | ah ok. thx for testing it out |
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| 20:42:49 | davina | its not a major problem. i only really use the .mid file on my phone |
| 20:43:14 | davina | although my current ringtone is an mp3 of sonic the hedgehog intro lol |
| 20:43:59 | pearldiver | does anyone remember any good spectrum games? |
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| 20:44:24 | SliMM | i don't think i was even born when spectrum was out :)) |
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| 20:44:41 | pearldiver | i have very bad memory about them |
| 20:44:43 | * | scorche pushes the off-topic conversation off the table |
| 20:44:48 | pearldiver | hardly can name 3 or 4 |
| 20:44:55 | scorche | whoops...missed a piece |
| 20:45:00 | * | scorche pushes that one off too |
| 20:45:03 | pearldiver | ok ok |
| 20:45:14 | scorche | =) |
| 20:45:19 | davina | i had a Sinclair ZX80, i was 13 at the time ;) |
| 20:45:36 | scorche | bah!...i thought i had them all! |
| 20:45:47 | * | scorche pushes davina off the table too |
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| 20:46:50 | SliMM | why don't you join #rockbox-offtopic for chatting (more or less related to rockbox) |
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| 20:47:13 | scorche | #rockbox-community actually |
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| 20:47:51 | SliMM | i just made that up, i didn't think there was a special chan for off-topic discussions |
| 20:48:17 | TrueJournals | Nor did I :-p |
| 20:48:20 | linuxstb | SliMM: The midi problem is that the plugin plays the midi files at 22.050KHz, but the ipod audio driver only handles 44.1KHz. So apart from it sounding wrong, the midi plugin needs to work twice as fast as it should to keep up with the DAC, which I'm guessing is the cause for the "Buffer Miss!" errors (i.e. buffer underruns). |
| 20:48:55 | yipe | lol, after being around 0C for so long, 15C feels HOT HOT HOT |
| 20:48:57 | SliMM | linuxstb: and was i wrong? |
| 20:49:13 | yipe | so fat.... like I'm wearing a winter coat of blubber 24/7 |
| 20:49:48 | SliMM | yipe: ? |
| 20:49:59 | linuxstb | SliMM: I didn't understand your sentence "midi files play two times slower than the ipod can play" |
| 20:50:06 | Hammer89 | rockbox plays midi...? |
| 20:50:21 | davina | :P |
| 20:50:24 | yipe | ah, this isn't the chan I thought it was! |
| 20:50:27 | TrueJournals | only on some targets, I believe |
| 20:50:45 | yipe | sorry |
| 20:50:50 | bluebrother | Hammer89, yes. Seems to not work nicely on ipods though |
| 20:51:00 | SliMM | isn't 22.050KHz two times slower than 44.1KHz? |
| 20:51:00 | bluebrother | but I used it on h120 and it was fine. |
| 20:51:10 | Hammer89 | Cool... anyone know if it works on the sansa? |
| 20:51:22 | scorche | SliMM: that is not a measure of speed... |
| 20:51:51 | linuxstb | SliMM: I think you were trying to say the same as me, it's just I didn't understand you... |
| 20:52:39 | SliMM | linuxtb: i'll re-read the wiki for better understainding :) and the old phisics manual for frequencys |
| 20:52:47 | pearldiver | im little confused about key mapping for zxbox |
| 20:54:16 | SliMM | frequencies* |
| 20:55:17 | TrueJournals | SliMM: "physics"? |
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| 20:55:43 | TrueJournals | ;-) |
| 20:56:02 | SliMM | yes, yes |
| 20:56:08 | SliMM | >:P |
| 20:57:20 | SliMM | scorche: i've read about frequencies |
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| 21:00:47 | SliMM | how many decimals should i use for the fixed-point representation of sqrt(3) in my cubis game? |
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| 21:08:38 | pearldiver | how do i map gigabeat controls for the zxbox? |
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| 21:10:32 | davina | not sure pearldiver , i'm having problems getting vkeyboard to get a game started at the mo |
| 21:11:08 | davina | does the gigabeat have a hold switch, as that seems to bring up the menus if that what u were after |
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| 21:11:19 | pearldiver | heh |
| 21:11:35 | pearldiver | i see the options |
| 21:11:59 | pearldiver | but how do i actually map up down left right |
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| 21:13:10 | fm2 | Aua! A commit with +3K binary size! |
| 21:13:13 | davina | well that is kinda my problem right now too. the game i am trying to start allows for a kempston joystick, so I enabled that option but I cant get the game started |
| 21:13:16 | fm2 | Nico_P: ping |
| 21:13:43 | pearldiver | davina lets keep trying |
| 21:15:33 | Nico_P | fm2: pong |
| 21:16:28 | fm2 | Nico_P: I think we shouldn't make the wps parser that tolerant. I think it should be very minimalistic and stick to "fast death", i.e. if something is not OK just not load the WPS. But we could provide a plugin that would check a WPS and tell whether it's ok and if not provide meaningful error maessages |
| 21:17:27 | davina | pearldiver, ok i'll try a bit more |
| 21:18:01 | fm2 | This would save binary size and would bein line with the UNIX philosophy: do exactly one thing but do it well |
| 21:18:33 | linuxstb | Wouldn't that mean writing two parsers though? |
| 21:18:34 | fm2 | petur: here? |
| 21:19:46 | Nico_P | fm2: I think we need a compromise. I assume you're referring to the conditinal closing when you say "too tolerant"... I don't think it's too much |
| 21:21:31 | linuxstb | So you've basically made the closing tag optional? |
| 21:21:35 | roolku | Nico_P: people might get lax with the wps design and when the syntax is changed and suddenly requires closed tags (to distinguis from a different meaning) it will break |
| 21:21:40 | fm2 | Nico_P: I think checks are made elsewhere as well (but I'm not sure). What about picture tags? |
| 21:22:00 | * | linuxstb was about to say the same as roolku - just look at the mess html parsers are today |
| 21:22:05 | * | preglow agrees |
| 21:22:10 | preglow | strict syntax, please |
| 21:23:35 | roolku | Nico_P: I would splash a minimal error message: "syntax error in line xx" to help with the debugging |
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| 21:24:42 | Nico_P | The implicit closing was mainly intended for cases where we don't parse the whole code |
| 21:25:23 | Nico_P | e.g. too many sublines or a comment |
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| 21:25:34 | amiconn | :( |
| 21:25:51 | Nico_P | but I agree the syntax should be strict |
| 21:25:59 | davina | pearldiver, what player are you using? |
| 21:26:06 | pearldiver | gigabeat |
| 21:26:17 | fm2 | I like fast death. Also if there are too many strings etc |
| 21:26:46 | davina | i managed to get the vkeybaord to do something but not sure how you'd do it on gigabeat. |
| 21:26:49 | Nico_P | fm2: in some cases the WPS can still be displayed |
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| 21:26:57 | pearldiver | davina tell me |
| 21:27:13 | Nico_P | so a splash saying the parsing wasn't completely successful would be good ? |
| 21:27:17 | fm2 | Nico_P: but it's still not clean -> death |
| 21:27:42 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I think we're saying that if it's not 100% perfect, reject it... |
| 21:27:50 | davina | in the vkeyboard, once the ursor is over the character you want to use, I press play/pause, then select and that seems to send the key to zxbox |
| 21:27:51 | fm2 | Nico_P: yes. Without a reason. But a plugin for in depth analysis with meaningful messages would be good |
| 21:27:56 | bluebrother | why a splash in all cases? That could be part of the sim build |
| 21:28:07 | amiconn | Why does this obscure timer feature add so much, even for targets without recording? |
| 21:28:22 | bluebrother | but I don't think it's useful on the target −− you won't edit the wps on the target anyway |
| 21:28:41 | bluebrother | and an additional splash only consumes additional bytes ... |
| 21:28:45 | fm2 | bluebrother: but you can try to load a bad WPS |
| 21:28:54 | preglow | amiconn: i think he added some settings code which will be left in for other targets too, in case someone wants to use them |
| 21:28:57 | bluebrother | yes, but then the parser could simply fail |
| 21:28:59 | preglow | amiconn: the clock settings was mentioned |
| 21:29:03 | fm2 | bluebrother: and you will wonder why nothing happens |
| 21:29:07 | preglow | amiconn: but i agree it's way too large for what it does |
| 21:29:12 | amiconn | Then there's a 64 bit sim warning that needs to be fixed |
| 21:29:22 | preglow | if every feature were to be this size, rockbox would be huge |
| 21:29:32 | amiconn | And this multi-value int setting doesn't look like it received a lot of testing |
| 21:29:35 | Nico_P | amiconn: it's one of mine but I don't know how to dix it :( |
| 21:29:50 | bluebrother | fm2, maybe a user will wonder. But he will also learn that something is wrong ... |
| 21:30:08 | bluebrother | we didn't had a warning if the font for a theme was not present for like ages. |
| 21:30:37 | pearldiver | davina in the vkeybaord if i press select over the character it doesnt give me any further menu, just goes back to the game screen |
| 21:30:43 | fm2 | bluebrother: may be. I don't know. But my first thought was "display a message" |
| 21:31:12 | fm2 | What is if a font file has bad format? What happens then? I've never tried. |
| 21:31:18 | Nico_P | I'd say fail and display a message saying so |
| 21:31:22 | bluebrother | I don't know. |
| 21:31:42 | fm2 | We could do the same for a WPS as we do for a font |
| 21:31:57 | Nico_P | but in some case we can simply warn, e.g. when the string buffer is full |
| 21:32:33 | amiconn | screens[i].puts(0, 5, buf); <= this is going to break in a lot of cases |
| 21:32:45 | amiconn | (break == being invisible) |
| 21:33:01 | Nico_P | amiconn: it's a buffer for constant string |
| 21:33:12 | fm2 | Nico_P: I agree with linuxstb: not 100% perfect -> fail (I mean 100% and not 99.9%) |
| 21:33:13 | Nico_P | like "paused", "stopped", spaces |
| 21:33:25 | amiconn | I'm not talking about the buffer |
| 21:33:51 | amiconn | I mean the position will be out of view |
| 21:33:58 | XavierGr | wow! 2800 bytes for v2 recorder! |
| 21:34:45 | XavierGr | 5120 for H10 strange numbers |
| 21:34:48 | amiconn | Yes, and over 4K for arm targets with recording |
| 21:35:10 | amiconn | The H10 and sansa number can be nearly ignored since the mi4 move |
| 21:35:32 | amiconn | They always go up or down in 1K blocks |
| 21:35:41 | linuxstb | preglow: I agree with what you said earlier about features needing to be discussed before committing... |
| 21:35:41 | fm2 | Nico_P: or, in case of not 100% perfect, call a fixed plugin (like System->Version) to gather error messages. But this is already too much luxus |
| 21:36:13 | bluebrother | does mi4 always pad up to 1k blocks? |
| 21:36:20 | amiconn | Looks like it |
| 21:36:31 | Nico_P | I'll make some changes ASAP but won't be able this evening... anyway I'm not too much in favor of the plugin |
| 21:36:48 | davina | pearldiver, press the play key first, then press select |
| 21:36:50 | Nico_P | a small message won't be too much and for more details the creator can use the sim |
| 21:37:35 | bluebrother | why not add such messages on sim builds only? |
| 21:37:44 | bluebrother | I really don't see a reason why this is needed on the target. |
| 21:37:46 | fm2 | Nico_P: ok on my side. But this would mean a new entry in the lang file... But this will be a good UI. |
| 21:38:06 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Yes, there's a 512 byte header, and it rounds the size (including header) up to the nearest 1K. |
| 21:38:58 | bluebrother | fm2, Nico_P: I just broke a font by adding some nonsense at the beginning of the file. It loads something (but the font doesn't look like expected) and doesn't display a message |
| 21:39:18 | fm2 | bluebrother: imagine you're a normal user, not very familiar with all the wps details. And you get a wps file from someone and try to load it. |
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| 21:39:31 | fm2 | bluebrother: ... and nothing happens. |
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| 21:39:48 | bluebrother | then you decide the theme is broken because other themes work |
| 21:40:00 | bluebrother | or you installed it wrongly |
| 21:40:05 | markun | linuxstb: I think that 'not discussing features before commit' was also the reason why people has problems with sloth and he left |
| 21:40:14 | markun | had |
| 21:40:26 | petur | jhMikeS ? |
| 21:40:30 | fm2 | bluebrother: the font loader can't know that the font is broken if the header (I think there's one) is ok. |
| 21:40:51 | bluebrother | I messed up the first characters to break the header in my test ... |
| 21:41:10 | bluebrother | so if there is a header (which I assume) I most likely broke it. |
| 21:41:18 | fm2 | bluebrother: ah, then that's an error in the font loader I'd say |
| 21:41:24 | linuxstb | Or maybe just broke it in a legal way... |
| 21:42:18 | fm2 | petur: have you seen my last comment in FS #7030? |
| 21:42:34 | petur | re sprintf? |
| 21:43:03 | * | markun remembers he still wants to reimplement the font code |
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| 21:43:04 | fm2 | petur: yes. I was pretty sure that factoring out that funcs would reduce the bin size (not checked though) |
| 21:43:26 | bluebrother | is the font loader supposed to warn on broken fonts at all? |
| 21:43:48 | petur | fm2: well it didn't, not even before I inlined them (delta was 152 bytes for h300) |
| 21:44:04 | fm2 | bluebrother: I'd fall back to the system font then. And to the built in WPS. |
| 21:44:07 | bluebrother | ok, the sim displayed "Failed font header load" |
| 21:44:10 | amiconn | ggrrrr |
| 21:44:22 | bluebrother | on the console that is. |
| 21:44:26 | petur | fm2: leaving out %p didn't make much of a difference |
| 21:44:38 | amiconn | This feature bloats the binary so much - and I even can't find the promised timer???? |
| 21:45:06 | fm2 | petur: hmm... weird. Maybe because type conversion (int->long) is performed where it's not needed? But that shouldn't be the case on H300 since int=long there |
| 21:45:10 | petur | fm2: I'm looking into something else now, will come back to it later |
| 21:45:11 | amiconn | Ah, it's under split settings |
| 21:45:29 | * | amiconn wouldn't have expected it there |
| 21:45:45 | petur | fm2: did your last patch work from my changes? |
| 21:46:12 | amiconn | ...and it's not possible to set the timer!!!! |
| 21:46:35 | * | amiconn is tempted to revert it asap |
| 21:46:37 | fm2 | petur: you mean was your patch OK? Frankly said, I haven't tested (hide) |
| 21:46:51 | | Quit bospaadje ("great minds run in great circles") |
| 21:47:06 | markun | amiconn: I think reverting is a good idea |
| 21:47:12 | petur | fm2: I had cleaned it up a bit and optimized a bit too |
| 21:47:19 | amiconn | mmmm isn't even here :( |
| 21:47:32 | markun | lets tell him first |
| 21:47:33 | linuxstb | Wouldn't it be more diplomatic to ask the committer to revert? |
| 21:47:38 | markun | linuxstb: yes |
| 21:47:43 | fm2 | petur: I would remove %i but add %p since RB makes heavy use of pointers. But OTOH we could just convert them to long and then use %lx. |
| 21:48:20 | bluebrother | oh, nice. Segfault when playing around with the recording timer settings in the h120 sim :o |
| 21:48:29 | petur | fm2: all our targets are 32bit for now anyway ;) |
| 21:48:30 | amiconn | linuxstb: It would, but he isn't here |
| 21:48:32 | fm2 | petur: yes, I've noticed that you removed (l)sign. Nice improvement |
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| 21:49:05 | petur | fm2: if only binsize would go down ;) |
| 21:49:19 | bluebrother | fm2, what is %p supposed to do anyway? I never saw that in printf syntax |
| 21:49:36 | bluebrother | s/anyway/exactly/ |
| 21:49:38 | dionoea | pointer |
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| 21:49:43 | dionoea | it prints an address |
| 21:49:48 | fm2 | petur: I think a pointer can be converted to long on all platforms. So I'm not really sure now. I just wanted to print some pointer values and was struck by the fact RB doesn't support %p. |
| 21:49:56 | bluebrother | yes, but what with that pointer? Print the address the pointer is pointing to? |
| 21:50:07 | petur | I'd use %lX |
| 21:50:08 | bluebrother | or the address of the pointer itself? |
| 21:50:18 | dionoea | the address it's pointing to |
| 21:50:29 | petur | and also: stick with upper case hex |
| 21:50:30 | dionoea | in hex |
| 21:50:33 | bluebrother | hmm. Is that in some way standard? |
| 21:50:45 | bluebrother | or common? |
| 21:50:46 | dionoea | it is |
| 21:50:50 | dionoea | AFAIK |
| 21:50:51 | fm2 | petur: %x and %X do the same (I've taken back the difference) |
| 21:51:02 | bluebrother | oh. Never stumbled across that. |
| 21:51:46 | amiconn | amiconn.dyndns.org/rectimer.png">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/rectimer.png <= this is all I see on Ondio FM. And it's impossible to set a value |
| 21:51:49 | bluebrother | hmm. man printf doesn't know %p, at least on my box. |
| 21:51:52 | fm2 | petur: but then you must not forget to write (long) p in the param list, i.e. do explicit type cast. Otherwise you can get serious problems if sizeof(void*) != sizeof(long) |
| 21:52:08 | preglow | amiconn: i'm pro-revert |
| 21:52:08 | petur | fm2: sure |
| 21:52:28 | preglow | i think the feature bloats too much for such a seldomly used feature |
| 21:52:30 | amiconn | All I can do is increase/decrease The half-visible number to the far left, and cancel the screen (both with Off and Mode) |
| 21:52:34 | fm2 | petur: so I think it would be a helpful addition |
| 21:53:17 | fm2 | petur: but %x and %X can still do the same and we really don't need %i. That was too much |
| 21:53:30 | amiconn | We surely want a recording timer, but somehow this doesn't look like the right way to me |
| 21:53:49 | pearldiver | davina figured it out! |
| 21:53:59 | preglow | all targets should have rtc! |
| 21:54:19 | pearldiver | would be nice to have the zxbox in landscape mode on gigabeat though |
| 21:54:24 | amiconn | (plus the setting doesn't work at all, and it causes NULL pointer accesses) |
| 21:54:43 | davina | pearldiver, yeah, it works well on the ipod |
| 21:54:48 | fm2 | petur: and factoring out funs should decrease bin size. It probably depens on the build environment (compiler version etc) So one has to make a clean build and then a patched one |
| 21:54:55 | amiconn | preglow: We don't exactly need a rtc for a working recording timer |
| 21:54:59 | fm2 | I'll try now |
| 21:55:05 | * | davina is away: off to watch TV |
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| 21:55:59 | linuxstb | petur: You're keeping quiet about Mmm's patch... |
| 21:55:59 | preglow | amiconn: i know, but if every target had rtc, we could just use the already existing record on wakeup ;) |
| 21:56:15 | amiconn | True |
| 21:56:21 | * | petur knows nothing about the timer patch |
| 21:56:31 | amiconn | This should already work on rtc targets iiuc |
| 21:56:36 | preglow | yup |
| 21:56:53 | amiconn | petur: Doesn't look like this patch was discussed much, or even at all |
| 21:57:11 | petur | from what I read in the forum it's not very accurate too... |
| 21:57:27 | amiconn | It was opened by mmmm and updated several times. No other comments, and I didn't see any discussion here in the channel either |
| 21:57:44 | petur | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7610.0 ? |
| 21:58:22 | amiconn | Hmmm |
| 21:58:36 | amiconn | The forum seems so unrelated to the tracker ... |
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| 21:59:08 | * | amiconn doesn't want to check a hundred places for developer-related things |
| 21:59:14 | preglow | sure, but all discussion can't happen on the tracker |
| 21:59:20 | amiconn | There's the tracker, the channel, and the mailing lists |
| 21:59:35 | preglow | and the forums |
| 21:59:45 | preglow | they're there, so we have to expect people will use them |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:01 | preglow | and i don't see how it's any more unrelated to the tracker than the mailing list |
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| 22:00:52 | markun | maybe we need a special forum section to discuss new ideas/code? |
| 22:00:54 | bluebrother | maybe we should try moving such discussions more to the ml. The forums have quite some non-dev related stuff |
| 22:01:14 | preglow | the forums are a nice place for non-dev people to talk about patches |
| 22:01:45 | preglow | if we move such discussions to the ml, less people will comment, i'm pretty sure about that |
| 22:01:50 | amiconn | The forums are so much jabber that I honestly don't take the time to read them unless someone points me to a specific thread |
| 22:02:07 | pearldiver | is it worth adding a feature request to make the zxbox for landscape mode (gigabeat target)? |
| 22:02:08 | linuxstb | How accurate is the 100Hz tick on Coldfire? |
| 22:02:23 | preglow | i usually just browse it pretty superficially |
| 22:02:30 | preglow | watch for threads i'm interested in |
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| 22:02:57 | amiconn | linuxstb: Long-term accuracy is quite good, but single ticks might be delayed |
| 22:03:09 | amiconn | (when boosting or unboosting) |
| 22:03:12 | markun | pearldiver: I would prefer a request for general rotation support |
| 22:03:22 | linuxstb | So in principle is fine to use for long-term (i.e. many days) timed recordings? |
| 22:03:27 | * | petur finds the forums easier to read/comment on online |
| 22:03:41 | markun | petur: me too |
| 22:03:44 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes. |
| 22:04:16 | preglow | i find the forums decent enough, but i just watch specific sections of it |
| 22:04:30 | preglow | it's a bit too much to read all of it |
| 22:04:54 | * | petur too |
| 22:05:01 | bluebrother | if a discussion gets lenghy the forums can get quite confusing. Email is much nicer |
| 22:05:06 | pearldiver | markun yes |
| 22:05:08 | markun | can't we have a dev only section? |
| 22:05:23 | * | amiconn agrees with bluebrother |
| 22:05:27 | bluebrother | no small edit boxes and weird html-like syntax. Plain text :) |
| 22:05:46 | amiconn | And it would be even better if all people would thread & quote properly |
| 22:05:48 | preglow | sure, ml is nicer, but that on the other hand forces me to go through tons of stuff i really don't care about |
| 22:05:57 | * | bluebrother seconds amiconn |
| 22:06:11 | * | preglow hands out pros and cons to everyone |
| 22:06:17 | preglow | markun: what would that help, really? |
| 22:06:55 | bluebrother | there is already a section that is only visible to members of the staff group (or similar, don't know about the details) |
| 22:07:01 | markun | preglow: then amiconn can collapse the other sections |
| 22:07:02 | preglow | like this thread, it didn't start off as a dev thread, it became one. should it be moved, then? |
| 22:07:38 | preglow | should we start catering to people who can't be bothered to read every ml post either, then? :) |
| 22:07:59 | markun | I don't read every ml post |
| 22:08:11 | preglow | if amiconn doesn't choose to read the forums, that's his problem, not ours. i like the way it's sectioned |
| 22:08:24 | preglow | me neither, but i don't ask for features to make them not be sent to me, heh |
| 22:08:35 | scorche | the only section that is visible to everyone on the staff is Administration / Forum business |
| 22:08:44 | bluebrother | I don't read every ml post too, but it's nicer to keep track of interesing conversations |
| 22:09:01 | amiconn | I stopped reading the forums after the big resturcture |
| 22:09:24 | markun | amiconn: why? |
| 22:09:41 | scorche | heh...that is when i started reading the entire forums |
| 22:10:23 | amiconn | Before the restructure, the interesting posts were closer together |
| 22:10:37 | markun | amiconn: for me it's the other way around |
| 22:10:42 | amiconn | Now I'd have to wade through the whole forum to maybe find some interesting ones |
| 22:10:58 | markun | I can now ignore all the installation questions for example |
| 22:11:20 | preglow | the same for me |
| 22:11:24 | preglow | i never read those |
| 22:11:30 | preglow | i mostly stick to general, audio playback and recording |
| 22:11:36 | preglow | which is what i care about, so hooray |
| 22:12:03 | amiconn | By target allowed to check specifically for the targets I have. Like e.g. I could help with installation questions for Ondio, but not for gigabeat |
| 22:12:21 | markun | amiconn: and you can't now? |
| 22:12:39 | amiconn | I can, if I check the whole sub-forum for relevant posts |
| 22:13:00 | markun | you mean the whole "Archos - Installation/Removal/Flashing" ? |
| 22:13:01 | preglow | amiconn: you don't really have to do that each time, you know... |
| 22:13:03 | scorche | well, installation topics are set by "family" now...not much of a difference...just you have *only* installation topics in there instead of ones about games, hardware, other random threads |
| 22:13:14 | preglow | there aren't so many posts each day that you can't easily spot new ones |
| 22:13:16 | amiconn | Back when the restructure happened, I thought it was for the better, but at least for me the opposite is true |
| 22:13:43 | bluebrother | only the installation sections are separated by model now. |
| 22:13:48 | * | preglow wonders if it's possible to maintain a list of topics i care about with the forums |
| 22:14:22 | markun | preglow: yes, like like the 'star' function in gmail (if you are familiar with it) |
| 22:14:31 | scorche | having threads that are relevant to all targets be hidden in an ipod thread was most definitely not the way to go imo |
| 22:14:43 | * | bluebrother wants to set flags on arbitrary post like he can do in his email client |
| 22:15:01 | preglow | markun: i'm not, but i think i'll figure it out :) |
| 22:15:16 | markun | amiconn: if you tell us which subjects interest you which can't be found maybe we can split up some sections even further |
| 22:16:03 | | Part yipe ("I changed my default message instead of doing homework") |
| 22:17:38 | preglow | doesn't the entire point of the forum restructure vanish if we start splitting up by target again? |
| 22:17:49 | amiconn | Somehow the forum should have a way to display new posts. |
| 22:17:54 | markun | yes, and I wasn't suggestion that |
| 22:18:02 | petur | amiconn: it has |
| 22:18:08 | bluebrother | hmm. There is this "new topics" button at the top |
| 22:18:27 | bluebrother | but I'm missing some ignore function |
| 22:18:34 | amiconn | ?? |
| 22:18:40 | petur | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=unread |
| 22:18:47 | pearldiver | if anyone's interested, the keys for zxbox on gigbeat are 67890 |
| 22:19:01 | petur | but it doesn't quite work the way I expected |
| 22:19:13 | markun | bluebrother: funny, I never tried that button :) |
| 22:19:16 | amiconn | Hmm, it's one of those buttons with nearly unreadable text :\ |
| 22:19:28 | amiconn | Wouldn't have spotted it without hint |
| 22:19:36 | bluebrother | depending on your screen resolution ;-) |
| 22:19:52 | linuxstb | petur: It claims I have no unread topics, but I'm sure I haven't read everything... |
| 22:19:57 | bluebrother | but it's placed a bit strange −− didn't spot it the first time myself |
| 22:20:05 | petur | linuxstb: exactly |
| 22:20:28 | markun | linuxstb: maybe you are not logged in? |
| 22:20:29 | bluebrother | especially as the other buttons are rather larger |
| 22:20:34 | * | amiconn has 43 pages of "new" topics, haha :\ |
| 22:20:43 | linuxstb | markun: I am. |
| 22:20:45 | preglow | they're just unread |
| 22:21:19 | linuxstb | Another link - http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=recent |
| 22:21:21 | amiconn | The button is labeled <small><small>"NEW TOPICS"</small></small> |
| 22:21:28 | bluebrother | but I discovered some strange behaviour a while ago too: while it works as expected from my machine at home the pc at uni doesn't display all unread messages |
| 22:21:36 | scorche | smf actually handles new posts much better than any other open forum software i have seen |
| 22:22:23 | bluebrother | urgh. That button for the recent posts is really hard to fing. |
| 22:22:42 | scorche | it is just at the top... |
| 22:22:54 | markun | amiconn: why do you want to see all unread posts if it includes things like gigabeat installation problems which doesn't interest you? |
| 22:23:48 | amiconn | markun: How can I tell whether it interests me or not with the new structure? |
| 22:24:21 | markun | amiconn: by looking only in te sections which interest you |
| 22:24:40 | scorche | amiconn: from the old structure, how could you even know about relevant topics in, say, the ipod forum that you would want to pay attention to? |
| 22:24:48 | amiconn | There are no such specific sections, so I need to look at the thread title |
| 22:25:02 | markun | amiconn: which sections are you missing? |
| 22:25:15 | * | bluebrother likes thread titles like "help" really much :( |
| 22:25:16 | amiconn | But browsing the 1st four pages of "new" posts, I can't find anything that sounds interesting... |
| 22:25:54 | linuxstb | That's just because there are very few interesting threads... |
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| 22:26:42 | linuxstb | I don't think the forum structure could be changed - unless we create a moderated "interesting threads" forum. |
| 22:26:56 | markun | amiconn: and with the old structure you found more interesting threads? |
| 22:27:02 | amiconn | markun: yes |
| 22:27:15 | markun | how? |
| 22:27:27 | amiconn | There was quite a number where I even posted to |
| 22:27:42 | amiconn | I stopped posting to the forum since then... |
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| 22:28:06 | amiconn | gahbah |
| 22:28:54 | * | amiconn is annoyed more than enough for today and a few more days :( |
| 22:29:01 | Hammer89 | quick question... is there an RSS feed anywhere for the changelog/daily-builds? |
| 22:29:13 | markun | amiconn: sorry |
| 22:29:38 | * | amiconn should perhaps reconsider stopping rockbox development |
| 22:30:11 | moos | just for those rare commits? |
| 22:30:24 | moos | revert is always possible |
| 22:30:28 | linuxstb | amiconn: I think everyone has agreed with what you've said today... |
| 22:30:56 | preglow | if you'll read the logs you'll even find i have said more |
| 22:30:57 | preglow | haha |
| 22:31:13 | preglow | not something you see every day |
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| 22:33:34 | scorche | eek...my have_tagcache is pretty broken |
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| 22:33:53 | preglow | scorche: is that going to be removed when we have rombox again, btw? |
| 22:34:19 | preglow | i find ifdefs we don't strictly need mildly annoying :> |
| 22:35:05 | amiconn | preglow: It looks like we won't get rombox back for all archoses. Maybe for a while, with [IDC]Dragon's changes (if we ever see them committed, that it) |
| 22:35:34 | preglow | he should post a work in progress somewhere |
| 22:35:41 | amiconn | It's not so much about this, but rather about testing features before committing |
| 22:36:01 | preglow | yeah, and if you read the logs, you'll find i have already proposed that new features be announced on the ml for discussionm |
| 22:36:06 | scorche | preglow: well, the problem is, for how long will we have rombox?...if we end up forking it, then of course it will be removed in the fork...otherwise, only unless there is a large consensus about removing it, as it seems other people have been using it on other devices as well for various reasons |
| 22:36:07 | amiconn | This timer thing simply doesn't work on the 1st arbitrary target I used for testing |
| 22:36:10 | moos | amiconn: let's mmmm came back for revert |
| 22:36:14 | preglow | something jdgordon to my great delight has already started doing |
| 22:36:47 | amiconn | Yes, JdGordon now usually asks for testing new code before committing it |
| 22:37:05 | moos | mmmm isn't here much |
| 22:37:11 | moos | JdGordon is |
| 22:37:19 | preglow | someone revert the commit and i bet he'll show up :> |
| 22:37:20 | linuxstb | moos: That's the problem... |
| 22:37:23 | moos | yeah |
| 22:37:30 | moos | that's what I meant |
| 22:37:51 | linuxstb | IMO, it should pretty much be required to be around IRC before, during and after committing things. |
| 22:37:55 | preglow | i'm pretty tired of features just suddenly appearing in rockbox, so i'd really like it if people announced stuff like new features on the dev-ml |
| 22:37:58 | preglow | it's what it's for, after all |
| 22:38:07 | moos | linuxstb: amen |
| 22:38:08 | amiconn | linuxstb: Thing is he even was here today around his commit |
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| 22:38:45 | amiconn | But he just briefly asked for objections instead of testing on various targets... |
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| 22:39:07 | moos | and you aren't around :( |
| 22:39:18 | preglow | but anywho, if it doesn't work on some targets, there's one more reason to revert it (size being the other one) |
| 22:39:19 | moos | your are our policie :) |
| 22:39:40 | amiconn | moos: No, as I enjoyed the nice weather outside the city... |
| 22:39:41 | preglow | so someone could just go ahead |
| 22:40:01 | * | preglow even had nice weather inside the city today |
| 22:40:14 | moos | but imho too much talk, for a commit that will be revert in few hours, and then I supose mmm will not make things like this again |
| 22:40:23 | moos | amiconn: hehe :) |
| 22:40:27 | moos | same here |
| 22:40:37 | pixelma | there's also a 64-bit warnung but rather due to the wps tag commit - what about that? |
| 22:40:50 | pixelma | ^I guess |
| 22:40:54 | preglow | pixelma: nico said he didn't know how to fix it |
| 22:42:00 | preglow | looks like a simple format string bug |
| 22:42:01 | pixelma | hmmm.. ok - trying to get familiar with what happend the last day |
| 22:42:43 | * | pixelma can't type |
| 22:42:43 | moos | preglow: feel free to fix :) |
| 22:42:46 | amiconn | Yes, format string problem. What's the official return type of strlen() ? |
| 22:43:16 | preglow | size_t |
| 22:43:26 | preglow | so the real specifier is %zu |
| 22:43:26 | amiconn | hmm |
| 22:43:32 | preglow | which rockbox doesn't support |
| 22:45:02 | amiconn | No, but googling for size_t tells me it should be equal to unsigned long |
| 22:45:09 | preglow | yes |
| 22:45:19 | preglow | it mostly should |
| 22:45:31 | amiconn | So we could just cast to unsigned long and then use %ld (or %lu, if that's supported) in the format string |
| 22:45:49 | preglow | or we could just switch off format string warnings :> |
| 22:46:24 | preglow | our printf doesn't have one tenth of what the standard requires anyway |
| 22:46:35 | amiconn | I think they're mostly helpful; I found a couple of bugs due to enabling them |
| 22:47:14 | petur | jhMikeS: if you read the log, can you check http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2513.735 ? |
| 22:47:17 | amiconn | It would be helpful to be able to select which type of mismatch it should display |
| 22:47:35 | amiconn | ...e.g. not warn about displaying int with %ld |
| 22:47:39 | preglow | i don't think it can |
| 22:48:15 | amiconn | The length check is the most useful imho; there were a few places with extraneous arguments... |
| 22:48:22 | preglow | in our case, yes |
| 22:48:31 | preglow | i like the format string warnings, but they're just a bit annoying in rockbox |
| 22:48:52 | preglow | so far, i don't think i've ever seen it report something that isn't just a 64 bit warning |
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| 22:49:10 | preglow | then again, raising awareness of 64 bit programming is something i'd personally want... |
| 22:49:31 | * | amiconn wonders whether we'll ever see a 64 bit dap |
| 22:49:33 | jhMikeS | petur: I'm here, I just have my nose buried in MPEG crud |
| 22:50:18 | * | preglow wipes jhMikeS' nose |
| 22:50:51 | * | petur tries to imagine that |
| 22:50:58 | petur | visually |
| 22:52:59 | petur | desowin: it would be nice if qtscrobbler removed the lines it has submitted from the log file when something goes wrong. And when it goes wrong, it tends to hang around without warning until you stop it. |
| 22:53:03 | * | amiconn wonders how this timer should work |
| 22:53:12 | * | preglow goes to read |
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| 22:53:39 | amiconn | On recorder I get a little further as in I can set all 3 parts of the time, but I can't read anything I set except the seconds |
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| 22:53:48 | amiconn | And if I press Play, nothing changes... |
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| 22:54:20 | desowin | petur: I thought about this too, but I think that caching unscrobbled items would be better (and easier to implement as it also support iTunesDB) |
| 22:54:30 | amiconn | ...as in I get no indication in the status bar, but the patch looks like something should change... |
| 22:54:59 | amiconn | Hmm, I need to start it explicitly... |
| 22:55:20 | jhMikeS | petur: Is mmmm's build from after the more recent big update? |
| 22:55:21 | amiconn | Ah no, those are minutes, not seconds |
| 22:56:11 | amiconn | petur: Dunno how it behaves on swcodec because I didn't try, but on hwcodec it's unreliable at best |
| 22:56:21 | petur | jhMikeS: I think so, but I asked the poster to test with SVN |
| 22:56:34 | * | petur has nothing to do with that recording patch |
| 22:56:42 | amiconn | After enabling I got no log for weeks, then all at a sudden it logged one track (twice, and with a few chars missing in one line) |
| 22:56:55 | amiconn | Last week it just out of nowhere logged another album.... |
| 22:57:00 | jhMikeS | petur: so I take it you've never seen these warnings yourself? How many takes have you done by now? |
| 22:57:16 | amiconn | petur: Oh, I was talking about the scrobbler thing |
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| 22:57:42 | markun | Would tags.c or metadata.c be better names for id3.c? |
| 22:57:56 | persept | anyone here have a gigabeat - F series while using rockbox, I'm really considering buying one |
| 22:58:05 | amiconn | I just enabled the logging because I wanted to see whether it works at all. I have no plans to actually use these logs for anything but testing |
| 22:58:06 | petur | jhMikeS: 10+ times, and if they stay on the display until you stop recording then no, I haven't seen them myself |
| 22:58:10 | pearldiver | persept yes, a lot of people |
| 22:58:12 | markun | en what about mp3entry? |
| 22:58:47 | markun | persept: yes, quite a few people in here have one I think |
| 22:58:56 | markun | pearldiver: oops :) |
| 22:58:57 | petur | amiconn: there are two paches for scrobbling that maybe should be committed, must test a bit more first maybe |
| 22:59:16 | persept | i heard that rockbox can decrease the battery life, is the patch incorperated with the dev build that enables precessor throttleing |
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| 22:59:31 | markun | persept: that doesn't apply to the Gigabeat |
| 22:59:37 | persept | oh ok thanks |
| 22:59:40 | jhMikeS | they stay until you leave the screen or stop then restart |
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| 23:00:10 | Soap | persept: and just to clarify - there is no "dev build" vs "user build" dichotomy. |
| 23:00:10 | persept | does rockbox sort by artist and album, or is it only by the folders that are placed in it |
| 23:00:24 | pearldiver | markun after messing with zxbox and rockboy i really wish for the landscape orientation heh |
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| 23:00:45 | * | amiconn has a suspicion why this setting screen doesn't work at all like intended |
| 23:00:47 | Soap | persept: Rockbox both allows file-tree navigation (by folders) and a Database view (by Tags) |
| 23:01:08 | persept | nice, all my doubts are gone, hopefully i'll order one soon |
| 23:01:17 | persept | my 8gb ipod nano is filled completly |
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| 23:01:42 | amiconn | Ah, yes |
| 23:01:54 | amiconn | The screen breaks when using proportional fonts |
| 23:02:07 | linuxstb | markun: Maybe the code not related to id3 should be moved out of id3.[ch]. But a lot of it is the id3 parsing code IIUC, so the name seems appropriate. |
| 23:02:14 | * | petur tried to do some off the price of new F40's on ebay but they refused :( 190 euro |
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| 23:03:07 | amiconn | So, how to proceed now? |
| 23:03:31 | petur | persept: I recently upgraded my h340 from 40 to 80 GB so I know the feeling ;) |
| 23:04:01 | linuxstb | amiconn: As Mmmm is very rarely around, I say just revert it. |
| 23:05:14 | persept | petur: do you have your music in lossless, i can't imagine having over 40 gigs of compressed music |
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| 23:06:12 | petur | persept: it's all 320kbps vbr mp3, right now 38.6GB |
| 23:06:22 | pearldiver | persept how about 300gb of compressed music |
| 23:06:29 | persept | wow |
| 23:06:32 | markun | linuxstb: ok, I'll try to split it up |
| 23:06:33 | pearldiver | its never enough |
| 23:06:40 | persept | you can't have 320 kbps vbr |
| 23:06:44 | * | petur waves at austriancoder :) |
| 23:06:56 | markun | linuxstb: it's one of the bigger files in system anyway |
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| 23:07:18 | pixelma | bluebrother: 20.41.18 # <bluebrother> davina, I get tons of Buffer Miss! on the midi when trying to play a midi too. <- was that with remote or without? |
| 23:08:13 | amiconn | Canceling the repeat timer causes a NULL pointer access. 100% reproducable. |
| 23:08:18 | * | pixelma discovered today that a plugged in remote has a strange effect on midiplay |
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| 23:09:12 | bluebrother | pixelma, that was on my mini −− I don't have any remote for that ... |
| 23:09:18 | austriancoder | petur: hi mentor :) |
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| 23:09:51 | pixelma | bluebrother: ah ok... try with H1x0 and you'll see... |
| 23:09:55 | * | amiconn has a remote for his mini |
| 23:10:04 | amiconn | Not usable with rockbox though |
| 23:11:11 | bluebrother | I was wondering if I should get one of these cheap remotes of ebay |
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| 23:11:53 | bluebrother | and maybe look into the serial communication when I've finished uni (which is in a couple of weeks if everything works fine) |
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| 23:14:18 | * | amiconn now has a rectimer reversal patch |
| 23:14:43 | moos | just go ahead ! |
| 23:15:28 | bluebrother | pixelma, midi works fine for me with remote. But I also don't experience the ticking issue |
| 23:16:42 | jhMikeS | combining rectimer and reversal in the same sentence sounds a bit funny :) |
| 23:16:44 | amiconn | bluebrother: In my tests, midiplay starts spitting buffer misses over and over as soon as I have the remote plugged, even if no button is pressed, and regardless whether remote hold is enabled |
| 23:17:00 | amiconn | (H180) |
| 23:17:01 | pixelma | that's strange... I didn't refer to any ticking problems - just that I got endless lines of "Buffer miss!"while the remote was plugged in |
| 23:17:08 | pixelma | on M5 |
| 23:17:46 | pixelma | (I also get a bunch when pressing "right" while playing midi) |
| 23:17:48 | * | jhMikeS goes to wash off the MPEG crud |
| 23:18:28 | petur | jhMikeS: beer does it very good ;) |
| 23:18:30 | amiconn | I also have (at least) one midi that freezes rockbox. Paper clip or similar needed on iriver |
| 23:19:14 | Bagder | austriancoder: "* +6 to -45.43dB" in the .c file is a typo, isn't it? |
| 23:19:41 | Bagder | as the .h file now says -40.5 as minimum |
| 23:23:56 | jhMikeS | petur: indeed...then the shower |
| 23:25:28 | amiconn | bluebrother: It also happens on X5 and H300, I just checked |
| 23:25:51 | bluebrother | interesting. |
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| 23:28:04 | amiconn | whoa |
| 23:28:23 | bluebrother | pixelma, sorry, was a bit distracted reading the last hour. Is that dependent on whether you plug the remote before starting midiplay? |
| 23:28:50 | amiconn | One of my mids that plays just fine on H180, H340 and X5 spits buffer misses like crazy on mini g2, and sounds like crap |
| 23:28:57 | * | preglow has an orval |
| 23:29:14 | preglow | amiconn: ipod doesn't support anyting but 44.1khz, afaik |
| 23:29:32 | * | amiconn also wonders how to stop midiplay on ipod |
| 23:29:42 | * | preglow never used midiplay |
| 23:29:48 | pixelma | bluebrother: haven't tested for that... but I believe I plugged it in before |
| 23:29:49 | amiconn | Ah, the combo it is |
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| 23:30:00 | * | pearldiver wonders how to use viewer icons with loadable icons patch |
| 23:30:20 | austriancoder | Bagder: will check it |
| 23:30:23 | bluebrother | *grrr* |
| 23:30:33 | * | bluebrother wants rockbox.iriver in the root back |
| 23:30:37 | amiconn | bluebrother: Doesn't matter |
| 23:31:05 | amiconn | preglow: That's probably it |
| 23:31:25 | amiconn | midiplay uses 22.05kHz iirc |
| 23:31:40 | bluebrother | hmm. Can't reproduce it. |
| 23:31:50 | bluebrother | but maybe my midi file isn't complex enough? |
| 23:32:48 | amiconn | Happens with a lot of my files. The file only 'defined' how many 'buffer miss' lines are thrown at once |
| 23:33:02 | preglow | amiconn: that almost certainly is it |
| 23:33:41 | * | amiconn didn't try all files, but saw groups of 1 thorugh 10 lines of buffer miss thrown per second |
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| 23:37:02 | * | bluebrother found a demo midi in the timidity source tree |
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| 23:38:48 | PaulJam | pearldiver: you need to create a .icons file with the same name like the .bmp file and in the icons file you specify which filetype is assigned to which icon. for example the line "ch8:0" will show the first icon in the bmp for .ch8 files. |
| 23:40:51 | pearldiver | PaulJam im trying to do so with aliask's icons and he supplied the .config files instead of .icons which i assume the same thing |
| 23:41:43 | pearldiver | i place 3 files into /.rockbox/icons folder (aliask.bmp, aliask_viewers.bmp, aliask_viewers.icons) |
| 23:42:52 | PaulJam | the .config file has a different format, so just renaming isn't enough, you need to edit it too. |
| 23:42:53 | bluebrother | hmm, seems my midi files aren't complex enough. |
| 23:43:19 | pearldiver | PaulJam let me check |
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| 23:45:59 | pearldiver | PaulJam so the line "wav,viewers/wav2wv,b0" |
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| 23:46:43 | pearldiver | should look like "wav:b0" ? |
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| 23:48:11 | PaulJam | yes, i think so (i'm not sure if the builtin icons can be used in the .icons file) |
| 23:48:21 | pearldiver | hmm |
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| 23:52:35 | pearldiver | PaulJam do you use the new dict patch by any chance? |
| 23:52:48 | PaulJam | no |
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| 23:54:21 | Nico_P | amiconn: I saw some talk about the 64 bit warning in the log |
| 23:54:40 | amiconn | yes |
| 23:54:49 | Nico_P | do you have an idea how to fix it ? |
| 23:54:52 | amiconn | Bagder: Still around? |
| 23:55:16 | amiconn | [22:45:47] <amiconn> So we could just cast to unsigned long and then use %ld (or %lu, if that's supported) in the format string |
| 23:55:53 | Nico_P | amiconn: ok, thanks |
| 23:56:58 | preglow | looks like %lu is supported |
| 23:57:00 | * | amiconn is still undecided whether he should just revert, or wait and discuss with mmmm first :\ |
| 23:57:04 | petur | %lu is supported |
| 23:57:18 | preglow | amiconn: like it's been said, i don't think he's often online |
| 23:57:23 | amiconn | The drawback is that it becomes harder to revert if the dailies are out with the .lanfg changes |
| 23:57:27 | amiconn | * .lang |
| 23:57:53 | preglow | you can pretty much be sure he'll show up online if you revert, heh |
| 23:57:53 | amiconn | Just to clarify, I am for having a recording timer... |
| 23:58:01 | preglow | mention it in the commit msg |
| 23:58:24 | preglow | i don't think i'll ever use one... |
| 23:58:47 | amiconn | Me neither, but I can see that it's useful for people who actually record |
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