| 00:00:39 | Llorean | Hey, how'd 6949 get in. Specifically, how come we're letting a change of the commit message, and the exact same code but with two variable names changed allow a bypassing of the "strict" no anonymous code rule? |
| 00:01:13 | linuxstb | Llorean: The patch itself is trivial - you can't really implement the feature in any other way IIUC... |
| 00:01:32 | linuxstb | Read the IRC logs for some brief discussions... |
| 00:03:36 | Llorean | Is the code so important we couldn't have just rejected it, and waited to see if the author changed their mind? |
| 00:03:54 | pearldiver | PaulJam well i cant make them displayed |
| 00:04:36 | petur | without reading the logs, I would like to treat anonymous patches as being owned by the committer - no credits and the committer takes full responsability of the code as if he wrote it himself. (don't want to start a discussion on this, just expressing my feelings) |
| 00:04:39 | linuxstb | Llorean: I think Slasheri handled it badly, but what he did in the end was right - i.e. reject the patch and implement the same feature himself. |
| 00:05:44 | Llorean | linuxstb: I'd rather that had waited at least a few weeks, to try to talk the author into following our guidelines. |
| 00:06:20 | Llorean | I don't like that a precedent has been set for anonymous code to be accepted if we just rename the variables. I know in this case it was trivial, and there's not really another way to implement it, but it still just doesn't sit right in my stomach |
| 00:06:48 | preglow | petur: i think i agree |
| 00:07:02 | Llorean | petur: I don't think you're going to get the Real-name policy overturned. |
| 00:07:29 | petur | Llorean: I don't try to do that |
| 00:07:40 | linuxstb | Llorean: I don't think it's set any precedent. |
| 00:07:56 | Llorean | petur: Oh, I thought you were suggesting anonymous patches could be accepted. |
| 00:08:24 | Llorean | linuxstb: I think it has only in the sense that we've said "Well, this one time it's okay since it was so trivial" |
| 00:08:37 | Llorean | But it's me being stubborn, I'll drop it before we argue too much. |
| 00:08:39 | linuxstb | We haven't said that. We rejected the patch. |
| 00:08:54 | linuxstb | But the feature idea was accepted. |
| 00:09:20 | * | petur thinks he could put this on the devcon agenda |
| 00:09:29 | preglow | go go! |
| 00:09:57 | preglow | it could be two separate issues. the real-name policy stands, but anonymous code can be "adopted" by another commiter |
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| 00:10:07 | Soap | I don't mean to stir shit - but how can a "no anon. code" policy be claimed w/o checking government photo ID? |
| 00:10:09 | preglow | i don't think it's that ban an idea |
| 00:10:13 | Llorean | linuxstb: If you diff the patched versions of the files with the "reimplemented" files, the only difference is WPS_TOKEN_DATABASE_SCORE is now WPS_TOKEN_DATABASE_AUTOSCORE |
| 00:10:28 | Llorean | And %rs vs %ra |
| 00:10:31 | preglow | Llorean: should we implement it in a more complicated way and waste bytes to avoid it? |
| 00:10:32 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes, because there's no other way to do it... |
| 00:10:38 | preglow | Llorean: it's a straightforward feature |
| 00:10:41 | PaulJam | Llorean: the patch i posted was itself basically just a copy and paste fron another wps tag (%rr). so i didn't really think it would matter if i post it annonymous. |
| 00:10:47 | Llorean | I know it's straightforward |
| 00:11:41 | Llorean | But it's also hardly a very important feature. |
| 00:11:59 | Llorean | I think the problem is that the patch was accepted in the first place. |
| 00:12:08 | preglow | but important enough to make an issue out of it? |
| 00:12:18 | Llorean | The feature isn't the issue, the policy is. |
| 00:12:32 | preglow | the policy really hasn't been breached |
| 00:12:38 | preglow | the feature is so simple it might look like it, but it's not |
| 00:12:47 | Llorean | preglow: The code is word for word, space for space, character for character identical to that in the patch. |
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| 00:13:36 | preglow | but look at how basic it is... |
| 00:13:36 | Llorean | It is trivial yes, but is it trivial or copy and pasted? |
| 00:13:40 | preglow | how can't it be nearly identical |
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| 00:13:52 | preglow | in this case, it's very possible it's been manually typed over again |
| 00:13:53 | linuxstb | Llorean: As PaulJam said - it's copy and pasted from existing Rockbox code. |
| 00:13:59 | | Nick guy_formerly_kno is now known as qwm (n=qwm@h162n1fls34o1010.telia.com) |
| 00:14:03 | preglow | it's just too simple to really know |
| 00:14:08 | Llorean | I'd just rather if we waited a week, is all |
| 00:14:09 | linuxstb | i.e. both PaulJam and Slasheri would have based it on the similar %rr tag. |
| 00:14:23 | Llorean | I really don't like it sitting right there by the commit message. |
| 00:14:33 | Llorean | "I removed this patch, and then put the exact code back in again claimed as my own" |
| 00:14:37 | Llorean | Even if it really is reimplemented. |
| 00:15:10 | Llorean | But as I said, I don't want to argue. If you guys are okay with it, then fine. |
| 00:15:15 | preglow | so it's just a cosmetic issue? |
| 00:15:21 | preglow | it would have been ok if he waited a week then commited? |
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| 00:15:42 | Soap | Isn't the point of a no anonomous code policy to force people to take accountability, take responsibility for the code - to prevent people from breaking NDAs and the like? |
| 00:16:01 | preglow | mostly, i guess |
| 00:16:16 | preglow | but i guess it's also partly just a way to express how we want things to work |
| 00:16:49 | Llorean | preglow: It's a case of: although this code is so trivial you can't really call PaulJam's code original code anyway, it's got the potential to cause problems later if people who HAVE been rejected for anonymity get upset about it. |
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| 00:17:17 | preglow | Llorean: it's happened plenty of times before, so this won't be the case that breaks anything |
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| 00:17:37 | preglow | Llorean: linus himself has commited code from the notorously anonymous bluechip, for example |
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| 00:18:10 | * | amiconn hopes that his commit msg is appropriate |
| 00:18:13 | Llorean | Reimplemented though, or the same code but with a different name? |
| 00:18:19 | preglow | Llorean: his code |
| 00:18:21 | preglow | as is |
| 00:18:29 | Llorean | =/ |
| 00:18:38 | preglow | afaik, can't remember exactly |
| 00:18:48 | preglow | would be wise to search the issue out before pointing any fingers |
| 00:18:53 | Llorean | Though, if bluechip has released it under the GPL somewhere else, it's the same as using it from another project. |
| 00:19:00 | qwm | how serious sounding is my nickname? |
| 00:19:03 | preglow | i've been known to make blunders "now and then" |
| 00:19:10 | preglow | qwm: extremely |
| 00:19:15 | amiconn | Bluechip's code was removed |
| 00:19:40 | preglow | then hooray! |
| 00:19:41 | amiconn | The most notably one was the othelo game |
| 00:19:43 | qwm | preglow: i was beginning to worry. |
| 00:19:52 | qwm | what's the progress on mpegplayer btw? |
| 00:19:57 | preglow | amiconn: looks good to me |
| 00:19:59 | qwm | been a few months since my last update now. |
| 00:20:11 | preglow | amiconn: ah, what i was thinking about was a smaller code snippet, i think |
| 00:20:16 | qwm | someone told me i need to update the bootloader as well now. is that.. true? |
| 00:20:23 | markun | qwm: the only major feature missing is seeking support |
| 00:20:32 | qwm | markun: indeed.. |
| 00:20:40 | qwm | missing with a big m |
| 00:20:42 | qwm | :p |
| 00:20:48 | qwm | and all bold letters. |
| 00:20:54 | qwm | zooming would be sweet as well. |
| 00:21:12 | bluebrother | qwm, COP support got into the core and requires an updated bootloader |
| 00:21:13 | amiconn | Nico_P: Warning is gone :) |
| 00:21:17 | linuxstb | qwm: You mean upscaling? |
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| 00:21:24 | Nico_P | amiconn: yes, thanks :) |
| 00:21:27 | Soap | and subtitles |
| 00:21:30 | markun | I believe people were claiming they would be happy if rebuffering was added |
| 00:21:41 | qwm | linuxstb: probably.. you're the expert(s). :p |
| 00:21:43 | linuxstb | markun: You believed that? |
| 00:21:44 | bluebrother | but ipodpatcher got somewhat mature −− it's really easy installing a new bootloader |
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| 00:21:50 | markun | linuxstb: no, of course not :) |
| 00:21:52 | qwm | bluebrother: ahhh |
| 00:22:06 | Llorean | markun: I'd personally prefer a "resume" feature to seeking anyway |
| 00:22:08 | linuxstb | qwm: I mean resizing a small video to fullscreen or resizing a large video to fullscreen? |
| 00:22:11 | bluebrother | maybe you want to have a look at the RecentChanges wiki page ;-) |
| 00:22:27 | preglow | grep -i bluechip svnlog|wc -l gives six hits |
| 00:22:42 | markun | Llorean: but then you never fall asleep while watching a movie on your Gigabeat :) |
| 00:23:03 | qwm | linuxstb: i meant both, i think.. :) |
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| 00:23:08 | preglow | saratoga: oy? |
| 00:23:55 | preglow | markun: any work done on the gigabeat s thus far? |
| 00:23:57 | Llorean | markun: The big problem is that if I pause a movie, and it idle poweroffs, and I was 30 minutes from the end... |
| 00:24:04 | linuxstb | qwm: Downscaling a large video isn't practical - your device (whatever it is) will struggle to decode the larger video. i.e. you'll get a reduced framerate due to more data to decode, and then a further slowdown for the scaling itself. |
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| 00:24:34 | qwm | right. |
| 00:25:27 | markun | preglow: I think that ptw419 and Zunepet are only discussing progress in private |
| 00:25:42 | preglow | markun: now why'd they want to do that? |
| 00:25:53 | markun | maybe they are afraid the Zune-linux guys want to steal their code? :) |
| 00:26:01 | preglow | hahaha |
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| 00:30:22 | markun | preglow: amazing, no progress from Zune-linux. Maybe they thought by claiming it worked long enough it would magically happen |
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| 00:34:32 | preglow | the files are getting really huge |
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| 00:35:28 | perldiver | PaulJam do the viewer icons need something like "iconset: /.rockbox/icons/<your iconset>.bmp" as well? |
| 00:36:02 | PaulJam | yes, "viewers iconset: /.rockbox...." |
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| 00:36:36 | perldiver | aha |
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| 00:45:32 | perldiver | markun did you have a chance to finish the POWER - A switch patch? |
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| 00:59:21 | perldiver | real time clock wps tags are broken? |
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| 01:03:21 | PaulJam | perldiver: they were changed some day ago |
| 01:05:33 | perldiver | PaulJam do you happen to know the new ones? |
| 01:07:26 | PaulJam | they are documented in the wiki on the CustomWPS page. |
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| 01:17:00 | perldiver | PaulJam thats what i tried just now |
| 01:17:57 | perldiver | for example this line "%cH:%cM:%cS" just display ": :" |
| 01:19:50 | PaulJam | the line looks correct, i have no idea. |
| 01:20:28 | PaulJam | i haven't updated my build today, and with a build from yesterdas the clock tags work |
| 01:21:09 | perldiver | yes, happened today actually |
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| 02:04:15 | pearldiver | JdGordon! |
| 02:05:32 | JdGordon | morning |
| 02:07:36 | pearldiver | JdGordon took me awhile to figure out how viewer icons work |
| 02:07:40 | pearldiver | but i got there |
| 02:08:09 | JdGordon | :) oh ood |
| 02:09:52 | pearldiver | i think the FS page has become confusing a bit |
| 02:10:15 | JdGordon | just a liitle :) |
| 02:10:39 | JdGordon | i was hoping to commit this arvo, but didnt get answers on the dev ml i needed |
| 02:12:10 | pearldiver | anyway, aliask's icons are great |
| 02:16:42 | PaulJam | JdGordon: i noticed, that when the lineselection is set to cursor and you use custom icons, the cursor might overlap the text in the recording screen (cant test right now with only your patch applied). |
| 02:17:39 | PaulJam | propably only if the custom icons are larger than the default ones |
| 02:17:45 | JdGordon | there is a cursor in the rec screen? |
| 02:18:48 | PaulJam | only if you don't use the inverse bar selection |
| 02:20:45 | PaulJam | And a little request: could the Database have its own icon? currently it shares the icon with the sound settings. |
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| 02:25:43 | Llorean | JdGordon: Hey, with your patch, can I give .aac, .mp3, and .flac different icons even though they'd normally use the same builtin one? |
| 02:25:57 | Llorean | Basically, differentiate on extension despite they're all normally just "audio file"? |
| 02:25:58 | JdGordon | yes |
| 02:26:01 | Llorean | Okay, cool |
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| 02:26:37 | JdGordon | Llorean: was about to ping you actually :) can you use use sansa as a mSD card reader for your computer? |
| 02:26:45 | Llorean | JdGordon: Yes |
| 02:26:57 | Llorean | It gets its own drive letter |
| 02:27:02 | JdGordon | great, then i might just buy a 1gb card today |
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| 02:28:56 | linuxstb | Llorean: Have you read anything more anywhere about problems with sansapatcher not checking the correct partition types? |
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| 02:29:42 | Llorean | linuxstb: Not in quite a while |
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| 02:33:40 | amiconn | JdGordon: Imho the best way to handle viewer icons will be to always load them from a .bmp, falling back to a generic 'unknown' icon in case the bitmap isn't loadable |
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| 02:34:08 | amiconn | The built-in filename default should then point to the shipped version |
| 02:34:19 | JdGordon | I think so too, but do we leave the icon number in viewers.config? or move them to a seperate file? |
| 02:34:28 | amiconn | This would have the advantage that we could ship different default icons per target if desired |
| 02:34:52 | amiconn | Icon number in viewers.config sounds ok |
| 02:35:33 | JdGordon | ok cool. so then the last point is, wich build acript moves the bmp into the zip? |
| 02:36:06 | amiconn | buildzip.pl I'd say. It's not wps |
| 02:37:14 | JdGordon | righto |
| 02:37:20 | amiconn | Looks like we need to think about placement of target/resolution/whatever-specific bitmaps for as-is shipment (as opposed to the bitmap build system) in the source tree |
| 02:37:56 | JdGordon | the apps/bitmaps/native folder is fine |
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| 02:38:12 | amiconn | No it's not |
| 02:38:15 | JdGordon | dont know where the virewers.bpm file should be stored though |
| 02:38:17 | JdGordon | why not? |
| 02:38:28 | amiconn | apps/bitmaps/native is for processing during build |
| 02:39:04 | JdGordon | oh.. hmm.. your talking about viewers.bmp? |
| 02:39:10 | amiconn | yes |
| 02:39:52 | JdGordon | apps/plugins/bitmaps/viewers_bmps ? |
| 02:39:54 | * | amiconn thinks the fallback icon should resemble a 'broken icon' icon |
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| 02:41:26 | JdGordon | fallback icon for supported tyes without an icon set? |
| 02:41:34 | JdGordon | or unsupported types? |
| 02:42:02 | amiconn | supported type when the specified viewer icons .bmp is missing |
| 02:43:48 | JdGordon | save an icon and use the question mark icon? |
| 02:45:00 | PaulJam | JdGordon: little question, is the length of the file extension in the .icons file limited to 4 characters? |
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| 02:45:36 | JdGordon | no |
| 02:48:36 | PaulJam | hmm, i tried to assign an icon to .codec files and this didn't work. maybe i did something wrong. |
| 02:50:03 | amiconn | .codec files don't fall under the 'supported' category, as you cannot load them directly |
| 02:50:03 | JdGordon | there souldnt be a limit to the ext anywhere... |
| 02:50:35 | JdGordon | maybe they could have the rockbox icon though? |
| 02:51:18 | PaulJam | oh, i thought with the .icons file you could also assign icons to unsufforted filetypes. |
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| 02:51:33 | JdGordon | you can |
| 02:58:45 | PaulJam | oh, i'm not using the latest patch, maybe that's the problem. |
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| 03:01:36 | amiconn | .icons file? |
| 03:01:49 | amiconn | That's a new idea I don't know yet... |
| 03:05:25 | amiconn | Hmm, does that mean we don't need 2 bitmaps to theme both builtin types and viewers? |
| 03:10:17 | JdGordon | its a text file which lets you give an icon to an extension |
| 03:10:26 | JdGordon | same idea as the 3rd column in viewers.config |
| 03:10:36 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Could you create a short wiki page (e.g. CustomIcons) describing the formats of all the required files for icons/viewers etc? |
| 03:10:53 | * | JdGordon was hoping someone else would :p |
| 03:10:57 | JdGordon | i hate usng the wiki |
| 03:11:17 | JdGordon | but yeah, ill do that today |
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| 03:12:09 | linuxstb | Thanks. I think it would be easier for people to see what you're proposing, and to answer your questions. |
| 03:12:21 | hen3rz | Hello everyone |
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| 03:14:29 | JdGordon | hmm... it seems i have an assignment due in 13 hours! |
| 03:14:43 | JdGordon | we might not be seeing a commit from me today then ;p |
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| 03:34:13 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomIcons is a start |
| 03:34:32 | JdGordon | except, in the patches "b" is used instead of "m", but i tihnk m is better |
| 03:34:42 | JdGordon | unless someone comes up with a better char to use? |
| 03:36:56 | Llorean | What does it stand for? |
| 03:39:59 | Llorean | I'm not really fond of a letter/number combination at all, honestly |
| 03:39:59 | Llorean | But I can't see a better way at the moment |
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| 03:47:34 | JdGordon | b was for built-in.. m is main icons set... |
| 03:47:51 | JdGordon | its to use the index for the man icon set instead of the viewers iconset |
| 03:52:09 | Llorean | Since there's only 32 main icons, couldn't you just use 0-31 as the builtin, and 32+ as not? |
| 03:54:17 | JdGordon | thats annoying |
| 03:54:56 | JdGordon | also means if we add a main icon the .icons file would need updating also |
| 03:56:01 | Llorean | Are there actually 32 even main icons? |
| 03:56:07 | Llorean | Or is 32 the current maximum? |
| 03:56:35 | * | Llorean shrugs |
| 03:56:40 | JdGordon | currwently 32 |
| 03:56:58 | Llorean | It could go the other way around. 0-31 are the user-icons, and 32+ are the main ones. |
| 03:58:39 | Llorean | I just don't like the use of a letter like that. But that's probably just me. |
| 03:59:03 | JdGordon | same problem.. and i agree... but we could use any character |
| 03:59:13 | JdGordon | but i gtg now, back in a fw hours |
| 03:59:48 | Llorean | Well, maybe _ |
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| 04:44:25 | cadu | hello guys, i'm using the 'Tranquil' WPS and part of the date and hours is showing only chars (maybe old tags) instead of actual information, where can i find new tags/changed tags to correct my WPS ? |
| 04:44:54 | Llorean | cadu: The new tag format is on the CustomWPS page |
| 04:45:37 | cadu | thanks :) |
| 04:45:41 | pearldiver | Llorean the new tags for real time clock didnt work for me with today's build |
| 04:47:05 | Llorean | pearldiver: What revision broke 'em? |
| 04:52:19 | pearldiver | can you check if it works for you? |
| 04:54:15 | pearldiver | but i did the svn update when the autoscore tag was commited |
| 04:54:31 | Llorean | pearldiver: What revision do you have right now then, that's not working? |
| 04:54:45 | elinenbe | JdGordon: I love the patch... looks GREAT! |
| 04:54:50 | Llorean | pearldiver: And, why are you even bringing it up if you aren't using the most up to date version? |
| 04:55:03 | pearldiver | Llorean i am now |
| 04:55:37 | Llorean | Then you should've said that, instead of saying the daily was broken. |
| 04:56:20 | Llorean | Since the autoscore tag was committed after the daily, I was looking in things pre-it that might be relevant. |
| 04:56:25 | pearldiver | my mistake |
| 04:56:49 | pearldiver | im on r13169M |
| 04:57:25 | Llorean | Which is not the current build |
| 04:57:45 | Llorean | I already asked you why you're bringing it up if you aren't using the most up to date version, and you said "I am now"... |
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| 04:58:40 | pearldiver | just noticed that im not already |
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| 05:03:44 | Llorean | pearldiver: And, does it work? |
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| 05:07:39 | pearldiver | will test in a few |
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| 05:08:10 | Llorean | It works fine for me, at least. |
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| 05:16:53 | pearldiver | well, instead of "%cH:%cM:%cS" line i see ": :" |
| 05:17:11 | Llorean | And is this with a current build? |
| 05:17:14 | pearldiver | yes |
| 05:17:49 | Llorean | Using %cI:%cM:%cS worked fine for me. |
| 05:17:55 | Llorean | With the "Current build" |
| 05:18:09 | Llorean | Have you set your clock? |
| 05:18:24 | Llorean | Even if it's showing "a time", have you actually manually SET it since your last battery power off? |
| 05:19:34 | pearldiver | Llorean yes i did |
| 05:20:13 | Llorean | pearldiver: Odd, because mine showed :: until I went and actually set the time, then it was fine. |
| 05:20:22 | Llorean | Could you double check that? |
| 05:20:30 | pearldiver | checking now |
| 05:20:40 | pearldiver | ha, setting it again solved it! |
| 05:22:03 | pearldiver | thanks |
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| 06:19:40 | Alonea | is there a way to just download the svn version of 1 file? I am trying to remove a patch and I keep getting hunks failed. trying to reset the files that are messed up to clean versions |
| 06:20:00 | Llorean | svn revert filename |
| 06:20:20 | Alonea | Llorean: thanks. will try that right now |
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| 06:26:54 | Alonea | yay! it compiled. w00t! |
| 06:35:53 | hen3rz | Hello |
| 06:36:25 | hen3rz | Llorean: should i fill in a bug report on flyspray for the backlight issue? |
| 06:36:40 | Llorean | hen3rz: Sure, if there's not one. |
| 06:37:48 | hen3rz | Hrmm it appears there isnt |
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| 06:50:30 | * | JdGordon returns |
| 06:51:25 | hen3rz | Llorean: I filled in the bug report, I hope it makes sense. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7037 |
| 06:52:31 | JdGordon | Llorean: picked up a 1b mSD card today for about $10 us :) |
| 06:52:37 | JdGordon | 1gb eve |
| 06:52:38 | JdGordon | n |
| 06:52:51 | Llorean | JdGordon: Nice, let me know when you have it working perfectly. :-P |
| 06:52:53 | Llorean | And chop, chop |
| 06:53:00 | JdGordon | hehe |
| 06:53:36 | JdGordon | any idea how to rename a partition in linux? |
| 06:53:55 | krazykit | rename? |
| 06:53:58 | krazykit | like, where it's mounted? |
| 06:54:09 | JdGordon | no, the name of the actual partition... |
| 06:54:19 | tchan | partitions don't have names |
| 06:54:28 | JdGordon | yes they do! |
| 06:54:31 | tchan | your stuck in a dos world |
| 06:54:31 | Llorean | tchan: The volume name. |
| 06:54:32 | JdGordon | brb |
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| 06:55:16 | webguest41 | hello |
| 06:55:40 | webguest41 | hello |
| 06:55:50 | hen3rz | Is this backlight bug classified as "high" cause it kind of is a core feature, case i cant read anything on the screen |
| 06:55:59 | Llorean | webguest41: This isn't really a social channel. |
| 06:56:04 | Llorean | webguest41: Did you have a question? |
| 06:56:12 | webguest41 | umm |
| 06:56:18 | webguest41 | i have an ipod 5th gen |
| 06:56:49 | webguest41 | and i was wondering if i install does the media that i added with itunes become useless to the rock box os |
| 06:57:06 | Llorean | webguest41: Rockbox can't play songs from the iTunes store, but any other songs should be fine. |
| 06:58:14 | webguest41 | so once i install rock box |
| 06:58:24 | webguest41 | how do i add skins |
| 06:58:33 | Llorean | webguest41: See the manual for that one |
| 06:58:49 | webguest41 | okay |
| 06:59:06 | hen3rz | webguest41: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ |
| 06:59:51 | webguest41 | and if i install it or uninstall do i risk a hard reset(all media erased) |
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| 07:01:14 | krazykit | webguest41, it's possible, though that's true about anything. if you remotely care about your data, it should be backed up anyway.. |
| 07:01:23 | Llorean | webguest41: It's only possible if you do something crazy. |
| 07:01:36 | Llorean | webguest41: Though if you have a Mac-iPod, you have to reformat it, which by definition wipes the data. |
| 07:02:00 | webguest41 | is it similair to linux giving u a choice bewteen rock box os and aplle os |
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| 07:02:26 | Llorean | You can hold down a button to start the Apple OS instead of Rockbox |
| 07:02:41 | johnnyoc3 | or flip the hold switch on boot |
| 07:03:54 | webguest41 | and i have my firmware updated with a skin using ipod wizard should i return to apples firmware when using rock box |
| 07:04:26 | Llorean | It shouldn't matter |
| 07:04:27 | johnnyoc3 | my ipod has a skin and it works fine with rockbox |
| 07:05:52 | JdGordon | wtf? the OF cant read jpg's from the mSD card? |
| 07:10:04 | Llorean | The OF doesn't let you do anything with it but music, I believe |
| 07:10:38 | JdGordon | lame! |
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| 07:14:38 | Slasheri | Llorean: btw, i did rewrite that autoscore feature again from scratch without looking at the patch while doing it but it just became almost different |
| 07:14:54 | Slasheri | *identical |
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| 07:16:59 | Llorean | Slasheri: That's fine. |
| 07:17:37 | Llorean | Really, I'm just upset that the image it puts forth (because the patch was accepted first, then identical code except for variablenames was checked in immediately after). |
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| 07:18:06 | Llorean | Because the whole "non anonymous code" argument comes up often enough without something like that which someone can reference next time the issue is brought up. |
| 07:18:22 | webguest41 | i think my ipod is stuck *moving images to create roomfor new firmware* for 4 mins |
| 07:18:25 | JdGordon | Llorean: meh, its no big deal, the patch in question was tiny |
| 07:18:51 | Llorean | webguest41: That shouldn't take 4 minutes, no. |
| 07:19:00 | Llorean | JdGordon: It's the principle more than anything else. |
| 07:19:12 | scorche | JdGordon: well, the issue is that our policy is no anonymous code...not little pieces are ok |
| 07:19:30 | Llorean | If the original code had never been checked in, it wouldn't have been as much a problem. |
| 07:19:41 | JdGordon | I know, but its not like any of us couldnt have put the patch together in 3 min anyway.. |
| 07:19:50 | Llorean | But right now anyone can put those two revisions side by side, and see that the only difference is the variable names. |
| 07:19:54 | Llorean | JdGordon: Then someone should've up front. |
| 07:20:22 | JdGordon | Slasheri: revert it, then in 2 weeks commit it without mentioneing the fs# :p |
| 07:20:32 | Llorean | It's too late to really do anything about it now |
| 07:21:08 | Llorean | I just wanted to make my feelings on the issue heard earlier, because it is more "gray area" than previous things. |
| 07:22:01 | Slasheri | Llorean: in fact the original patch had extra brackets as well which i already cleaned out before i did the first commit |
| 07:22:25 | Slasheri | so it wasn't 100% original at the first place either |
| 07:22:59 | Llorean | Slasheri: I'm really not that upset about it, I promise. |
| 07:23:16 | Slasheri | :) |
| 07:23:59 | * | JdGordon gone again |
| 07:27:44 | webguest41 | ummmm bootloader is taking long or its unsucessful |
| 07:27:59 | webguest41 | its keeps saying moving images |
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| 08:16:43 | webguest30 | can anyone assist me? |
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| 08:17:07 | GodEater | webguest30: perhaps, but only if we know what the problem is |
| 08:17:18 | aliask | webguest30: If you just ask your question straight out you'll have a better chance that someone will respond. |
| 08:17:25 | webguest30 | well |
| 08:17:32 | webguest30 | i tryed installing |
| 08:17:36 | webguest30 | rock box |
| 08:17:50 | webguest30 | i did all that your manuel said |
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| 08:17:58 | webguest30 | but when i used boot |
| 08:17:59 | GodEater | try keeping the question all on one line too... |
| 08:18:02 | webguest30 | it failed |
| 08:18:07 | webguest30 | kept staying on |
| 08:18:12 | webguest30 | making space |
| 08:18:15 | webguest30 | so i quit |
| 08:18:21 | webguest30 | i disconnected |
| 08:18:29 | webguest30 | and now my ipod is |
| 08:18:32 | webguest30 | resetiing |
| 08:18:45 | webguest30 | sorry |
| 08:18:54 | GodEater | restore it in iTunes |
| 08:19:06 | webguest30 | will it erase my data |
| 08:19:06 | webguest30 | ? |
| 08:19:14 | GodEater | unfortunately yes |
| 08:20:33 | webguest30 | painful cause i have no backup. ive been using media monkey since my old labby died out. i have 40 gigs of music that i dont have anymore |
| 08:20:53 | webguest30 | any other suggestion |
| 08:21:06 | GodEater | boot it into disk mode, backup the contents |
| 08:21:11 | GodEater | and THEN restore it with iTunes |
| 08:21:29 | webguest30 | what should i use to back up |
| 08:21:39 | GodEater | windows explorer ? |
| 08:21:50 | hen3rz_ | Just copy them over to your hard drive |
| 08:22:00 | webguest30 | wont i get weird # or letters |
| 08:22:06 | GodEater | yes |
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| 08:22:19 | GodEater | but if you copy over the old itunes database from the iPod too |
| 08:22:25 | GodEater | it won't matter when you put it back on the iPod |
| 08:22:28 | webguest30 | when i send it back to my ipod will it work again |
| 08:22:55 | GodEater | should do |
| 08:24:24 | krazykit | the files ought to be tagged properly, too, unless itunes does something insanely stupid like stripping the files of tags |
| 08:24:33 | krazykit | when transferring. |
| 08:25:18 | Llorean | krazykit: It doesn't strip the tags, but if you tag them in iTunes, the tags may only be written to the database, not the files (this seems possibly inconsistent, maybe some versions of iTunes do, some don't) |
| 08:25:24 | webguest30 | i dont under stand so if i just rip the old ipods database then restore it then put the ripped database back in it will work just like before with no misspelled music |
| 08:25:50 | GodEater | webguest30: that's the theory yes |
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| 08:26:04 | webguest30 | hmmmmm |
| 08:26:14 | webguest30 | any app out there that can rip music |
| 08:26:21 | krazykit | only tons. |
| 08:26:42 | Llorean | webguest30: We said "copy", you don't need to "rip" off the iPod. |
| 08:26:43 | krazykit | EAC, CDEX, the list goes on and on. |
| 08:26:58 | webguest30 | k |
| 08:27:30 | webguest30 | what do you guys suppose happen to my ipod during this process |
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| 08:28:20 | GodEater | without seeing an error message that's impossible to say webguest30 |
| 08:28:30 | webguest30 | hm |
| 08:28:42 | GodEater | you haven't even said what sort of iPod you've got |
| 08:29:04 | webguest30 | 5g 60 gig |
| 08:29:39 | webguest30 | its been heaviley protected and has been used to go to school car and work |
| 08:30:07 | webguest30 | never used it for my more active things i have a photo ipod for that |
| 08:30:26 | webguest30 | so dropping it couldnt be the prolbem |
| 08:30:42 | webguest30 | its when i used bootloader |
| 08:30:52 | webguest30 | i had the prob |
| 08:32:02 | GodEater | you mean when you were installing it. Not when you were using it. |
| 08:32:17 | webguest30 | right after i gave up and i disconnected it(properley) it went to apple start up then off then off and on off and on until i put into disk mode |
| 08:32:25 | webguest30 | yeah |
| 08:32:51 | webguest30 | it was stuck on moving images for sumtin room |
| 08:33:09 | webguest30 | i think moving images for firmware room but im really not sure |
| 08:33:31 | webguest30 | i gave up after 9 min of it saying that |
| 08:34:06 | webguest30 | and with only 20 gigs of hd space i wont be apple to save my music |
| 08:34:35 | webguest30 | and with a crappy computer with wd2k a celeron and 512 mb of ram |
| 08:34:43 | webguest30 | itunes crashes often |
| 08:35:35 | webguest30 | plus i dont have usb 2.0 |
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| 08:38:09 | webguest30 | and it reads perfectly in itunes |
| 08:38:26 | webguest30 | so do u now of a way not destroyin my media |
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| 08:40:50 | GodEater | webguest30: given those constraints (mostly the only 20 gigs of space), then no - there isn't a way to save it. |
| 08:41:14 | webguest30 | thx for your help admins |
| 08:41:37 | Llorean | Actually |
| 08:41:54 | webguest30 | yes Llorean |
| 08:42:25 | webguest30 | i will try any solution u might have in mind |
| 08:42:53 | Llorean | webguest30: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore if you're feeling up to some more technical stuff |
| 08:43:08 | webguest30 | k |
| 08:43:10 | Llorean | You can skip step 3 |
| 08:43:15 | Llorean | step 3 will delete everything on the iPod |
| 08:43:25 | Llorean | But if you do that wrong, AT ALL, even just a little bit wrong, you'll lose everything |
| 08:43:41 | webguest30 | k |
| 08:43:45 | Llorean | So you're probably better off just backing up your iPod somehow and restoring |
| 08:43:50 | webguest30 | i dont have linux on my computer |
| 08:44:26 | Llorean | Well, it's up to you how to solve your problem then. :) |
| 08:45:03 | Llorean | You're going to need to restore. |
| 08:45:07 | webguest30 | thx tho |
| 08:45:33 | webguest30 | so do i rip the hidden folder ipod control |
| 08:45:34 | webguest30 | ? |
| 08:45:42 | Llorean | Why do you keep saying "rip"? |
| 08:45:50 | Llorean | You're just copying a folder. |
| 08:45:50 | GodEater | if by "rip" you mean "copy", then yes |
| 08:46:00 | webguest30 | yes |
| 08:46:23 | webguest30 | im sorry about the misunderstanding what does rip actually meen |
| 08:46:24 | webguest30 | ? |
| 08:46:27 | krazykit | actually, there should be a dd for windows. definitely in cygwin, probably in some kind of unix tools for windows packages |
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| 08:46:37 | krazykit | webguest30, "rip" means to copy off of a CD |
| 08:46:42 | GodEater | Llorean: did you watch the whole of that dl.tv episode featuring Rockbox ? |
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| 08:47:06 | Llorean | krazykit: The DD in windows doesn't seem to work quite as well at recognizing partition boundaries, in my test. |
| 08:47:13 | amiconn | http://www.chrysocome.net/dd |
| 08:47:13 | JdGordon | morning B4gder |
| 08:47:21 | webguest30 | sorrys |
| 08:47:29 | krazykit | Llorean, that's pretty lame. |
| 08:47:46 | krazykit | well, there's always Knoppix |
| 08:47:53 | krazykit | a LiveCD if you're REALLY intent on it |
| 08:48:52 | Galois | I wonder how a dd in windows would even be useful. Windows doesn't have raw block device files. |
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| 08:49:13 | webguest30 | one more question should i leave my ipod connected to my comp |
| 08:49:16 | scorche | GodEater: i only watched the 4 or so min that applied to rockbox |
| 08:49:18 | amiconn | Galois: It does. |
| 08:49:22 | Galois | really? |
| 08:49:41 | krazykit | iirc, it's just hidden by the drive-letter thing |
| 08:49:53 | GodEater | scorche: were you left with the opinion that both presenters were idiots ? |
| 08:49:57 | JdGordon | B4gder: ok, when your awake... do you have any idea how to get the width/height from a bmp.h file which is made with bmp2rb in buildzip.pl? |
| 08:50:01 | Galois | in which case, copy.exe would work too (just as cp /dev/hda1 <somewhere> works) |
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| 08:50:09 | scorche | and incapable of reading the manual, yes |
| 08:50:15 | amiconn | Galois: They're of the form \\?\Device\Harddisk0\Partition0 |
| 08:50:21 | Llorean | GodEater: I haven't watched it at all, actually |
| 08:50:26 | GodEater | scorche: I'm glad it wasn't just me. |
| 08:50:35 | Galois | is there a windows equivalent for /proc/kcore? |
| 08:50:56 | * | amiconn wonders what that is |
| 08:51:14 | Galois | image of system memory |
| 08:51:27 | GodEater | that's not a block device though |
| 08:51:32 | scorche | Llorean: it isnt worth watching really...it is the typical article where they get crap wrong...they sit there and show a picture of what "rockbox could look like", but "we are still trying to figure out how to customize it this way" |
| 08:51:37 | Galois | sure sure |
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| 08:52:06 | Llorean | scorche: Hahaha |
| 08:52:13 | GodEater | Llorean: yeah don't bother - they're both morons. If you could hope for a worse review of rockbox's features, I'm not sure what else it would include. |
| 08:52:34 | linuxstb | webguest30: Does ipodpatcher still recognise your ipod (when you force your ipod into disk mode and attach it to your computer) ? |
| 08:52:43 | Galois | okay, so dd is half-useful on windows (it would need character devices too in order to qualify as full-useful) |
| 08:52:52 | scorche | GodEater: it is hard to top the bar that popular science made |
| 08:53:08 | GodEater | scorche: I don't know - I thought this one was worse actually. |
| 08:53:25 | scorche | but the "it can do cool things, but we dont know how to make it do all this" really doesnt work |
| 08:53:35 | GodEater | it's less than ideal |
| 08:53:47 | scorche | this was worse in "selling point"...popsci was worse in misinfo |
| 08:54:08 | webguest30 | hey guys thanks for the solutions and help u guys have a nice night |
| 08:54:11 | GodEater | at least these two didn't attempt the install in front of the audience |
| 08:54:21 | GodEater | can't imagine how badly that would have gone |
| 08:54:29 | krazykit | that would've been exciting |
| 08:54:37 | krazykit | "aaaand we're copying some files" |
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| 08:54:50 | scorche | "is this a permanent change?" " |
| 08:55:09 | GodEater | "only if you hit it with a hammer afterwards" |
| 08:55:10 | scorche | "i dont think so...but i dont knwo how you would uninstall it"..."cool!" |
| 08:55:31 | scorche | not direct quotes of course, but it is close enough |
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| 09:18:36 | hen3rz_ | Are there any rockbox gigabeat users active? |
| 09:19:31 | Llorean | What for? |
| 09:19:47 | hen3rz_ | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7038 |
| 09:21:03 | JdGordon | LinusN: hey, do you know buildzip.pl? |
| 09:21:17 | LinusN | JdGordon: a little, why? |
| 09:21:22 | hen3rz_ | I was browsing through a bunch of pdf pages converted to jpeg files to see if they were readable on the gigabeat screen and it became a real nuisence having the short menu and long menu push to zoom in and out |
| 09:21:57 | JdGordon | LinusN: I need to get it to copy the correct bmp for the viewers into the archive, but I dont know how to get the dimentions from the build |
| 09:22:03 | hen3rz_ | and was thinking how much easier it would be if the fucntion was mapped to the volume buttons |
| 09:22:20 | JdGordon | I tried playing with the >gcctemp bit but failed |
| 09:22:48 | LinusN | JdGordon: what dimensions do you want? |
| 09:23:33 | LinusN | hen3rz_: i think it sounds like a good idea |
| 09:23:45 | JdGordon | the default icon size for the build, without having to explicitly define it in config-<target.> ... I can get it from <default_icons.h> but gcc cant find that file |
| 09:24:49 | hen3rz_ | LinusN: Thanks, I filled in a feature request so I guess I'll see what happens from there. |
| 09:25:03 | Llorean | I wish I'd thought of it. |
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| 09:25:24 | Llorean | I'd noticed the controls weren't great, but never really use it (just demonstrated it for a friend) |
| 09:27:03 | hen3rz_ | Hahaha yay! I finally did something helpful |
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| 09:28:16 | crop | I have some questions about the pitch screen. 1. Why isn't it under the sound menu (it's sound related IMO) 2. Why isn't the setting permanent 3. What is the "nudge" feature good for? I can't hear any difference. To produce the bend effect, the delta should be increased. And if not, we could just remove the feature (and thus reduce the binary size) |
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| 09:28:49 | hen3rz_ | By the way, has anyone used their rockbox as like an ebook reader? It took adobe acrobat reader a couple minutes to convert about a 100 + pages to jpeg but they come up alright on the screen. |
| 09:29:15 | LinusN | JdGordon: where is default_icons.h ? |
| 09:29:29 | JdGordon | <build-dir>/bitmaps aparently |
| 09:29:36 | LinusN | ok |
| 09:30:22 | JdGordon | if i do -I./bitmaps/ it works.. but is that ok? |
| 09:30:23 | Llorean | crop: Nudge isn't supposed to be audible. |
| 09:30:24 | XavierGr | Linus: Do you happen to have an open H300 at the moment? |
| 09:30:35 | Llorean | crop: It's supposed to be a very small change used for getting beats into sync. |
| 09:30:48 | LinusN | JdGordon: add a $bitmapsdir just like the $firmdir |
| 09:31:13 | JdGordon | ok |
| 09:31:13 | LinusN | XavierGr: what do you want to know? |
| 09:31:29 | * | petur sits up and listens |
| 09:32:05 | XavierGr | well my USB OTG broke again and while I was trying to fix it I may have short circuit the USB OTG jack casing with the capacitor just left from it |
| 09:32:22 | XavierGr | but I am not sure if it was short circuited or not before I touch it |
| 09:32:29 | crop | Llorean: ah... to compensate for small tempo drift? |
| 09:32:37 | LinusN | crop: the answer to all these questions is that the pitch screen was originally intended for dj use |
| 09:32:53 | Llorean | crop: When mixing with two devices, for example, while DJing, apparently |
| 09:32:59 | XavierGr | now every time I connect a USB OTG device H300 will just reset automatically |
| 09:33:12 | Llorean | hen3rz_: I'd rather OCR it to .txt |
| 09:33:49 | XavierGr | petur: didn't you want Linus to check a pin or something for you, now is the right time to remind it to him :P |
| 09:33:53 | crop | Ok, so it's something special and doesn't belong to sound settings despite of the fact that it's sound related |
| 09:34:02 | B4gder | coffee coffee coffee |
| 09:34:22 | Llorean | crop: Well, the other aspect of pitch is that it's really "playback speed", it's just the dirtiest method of adjusting it, also increasing the pitch. |
| 09:34:28 | XavierGr | "coffee" the most common drug (narcotic) nowadays :P |
| 09:34:53 | * | petur whispers ID and VBUS to Linus :) |
| 09:34:58 | LinusN | XavierGr: which capacitor is it, and what do you want to know? |
| 09:35:10 | crop | Is it the only DJ aimed fature? I've heard something about sound effects (echo and such) |
| 09:35:31 | LinusN | petur: exactly what do you want to find out? |
| 09:35:41 | crop | But I don't think RB is a full geared sound machine, and it isn't also the intention |
| 09:35:48 | Llorean | crop: There is the possibility of other DSP effects. |
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| 09:36:15 | crop | Llorean: where would they sit if implemented (menu wise?) |
| 09:36:25 | Llorean | crop: Probably a DSP plugin. |
| 09:36:44 | JdGordon | this isnt going to work :'( have to put the icon sizes in config.h |
| 09:36:49 | crop | Llorean: then the pitch screen should also go there IMHO |
| 09:36:50 | petur | LinusN: if the portpinassignment page is correct: is ID really only connected to that pin, and how is VBUS generated: by the ISP1362 or by an external chargepump |
| 09:37:13 | Llorean | crop: The pitch screen is useful for audiobooks and other uses. |
| 09:37:19 | crop | Llorean: ...as it's a simple DSP effect |
| 09:37:22 | B4gder | JdGordon: that's probably _one way_ yes, but not the only alternative |
| 09:37:34 | B4gder | builzip can do just about anything you want to figure it out |
| 09:37:54 | XavierGr | Linus: http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4945/h300frontbg2.jpg |
| 09:37:54 | * | petur will bring his usbotg code to devcon for some h300 hacking :) |
| 09:38:25 | XavierGr | Linus: I just want to know if the USB OTG casing is short circuited with the capacitor in the circle |
| 09:38:34 | LinusN | that's a diode |
| 09:38:42 | XavierGr | ah... well |
| 09:39:01 | JdGordon | B4gder: I tried to get it to read apps/gui/icon.h but it kept trying to include screen_access.h (even if I manually define _SCREEN_ACCESS_H_ ) any ideas how to get around that? |
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| 09:39:12 | XavierGr | from the picture it seems it isn't but I just want to be sure |
| 09:39:49 | B4gder | JdGordon: I don't have the details in front of me, but it sounds like you're on the right track |
| 09:40:32 | LinusN | XavierGr: it is not |
| 09:40:34 | crop | Llorean: ok. But it's still a DSP effect. We could introduce a DSP filter (a sequence of DSPs). And even save them (the names). This could be a general platform for DSP's. But it's probably a story for the future. |
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| 09:40:53 | B4gder | I would check if it is a bitmap lcd, then include the correct file(s) and scan for the size(s) in the output |
| 09:40:58 | XavierGr | Linus: thought so, thanks |
| 09:41:06 | XavierGr | I was too silly to touch that part |
| 09:41:07 | crop | I only asked because everyone talks much about binary size and removing unneeded features |
| 09:41:25 | XavierGr | now I wonder how I will manage to take the solder out with that damn solder pump I have |
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| 09:41:44 | B4gder | crop: that's mostly an issue for the hwcodec targets and they can't have dsp effects anyway |
| 09:41:45 | Llorean | crop: Not removing unneeded features. |
| 09:41:59 | Llorean | crop: Not duplicating existing features, or adding features that are larger than they need to be. |
| 09:42:00 | B4gder | (the size issue I mean) |
| 09:42:12 | XavierGr | but I won't open it again, next time I will wait for working USB OTG on rockbox to be able to disable overcurrent protection from the USB OTG chip |
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| 09:45:19 | JdGordon | B4gder: does it just run through the preproccessor? so I cant get enum values back? |
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| 09:46:04 | B4gder | JdGordon: yes, it only preprocesses it. But you could extend that if you really have to. Are the sizes enums?? |
| 09:46:44 | JdGordon | no, the icon count is at the end of an enum, which I need to get the hieght |
| 09:47:04 | B4gder | ah |
| 09:47:05 | JdGordon | but if its easier, ill just change it to a #define in config.h |
| 09:47:35 | B4gder | if you have a define for it, it'll be a lot easier to get using the preprocess approach |
| 09:48:09 | JdGordon | I'll do it as a default unless a target config defines it manually |
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| 09:55:03 | JdGordon | is apps/plugins/bitmaps/viewer_defaults/ an OK place to store the default bmps for the viewer icons? |
| 09:55:26 | LinusN | think so |
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| 10:07:42 | JdGordon | ok, build script fixed up, any last complaints before commit? |
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| 10:08:39 | LinusN | JdGordon: i think the only complaints you will get are about binary size |
| 10:08:58 | petur | heh |
| 10:08:59 | * | JdGordon can live with that :) |
| 10:09:04 | * | B4gder has no opinions as he's not keeping up with the details |
| 10:09:06 | JdGordon | I was thinking code wise... but ok |
| 10:09:19 | Llorean | Yeah, I haven't even tried the patch yet. So I'll refrain from commenting. :) |
| 10:09:27 | LinusN | i wonder if we could even disable loadable icons on the archos targets |
| 10:09:47 | JdGordon | .. this is how we all got stuck into mmmm last night... |
| 10:09:55 | Llorean | LinusN: I don't see any reason not to disable them. |
| 10:10:05 | JdGordon | LinusN: meh, they barely take up space in the bin... |
| 10:10:28 | petur | what's a few KB anyway :p |
| 10:10:30 | LinusN | +1kbyte according to the FS entry |
| 10:10:50 | JdGordon | thats more the inbuilt bmp's which have to be there anyway |
| 10:10:58 | Llorean | I mean there's only what, 16.7 million possible 1bpp icons? |
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| 10:11:10 | Llorean | No, wait. |
| 10:11:12 | Llorean | That's wrong. |
| 10:11:13 | JdGordon | ill comment out the customizable code and see how it affects it |
| 10:11:14 | Llorean | Ignore me |
| 10:12:46 | petur | JdGordon: can't you just not show any icons if the bmp's aren't found? |
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| 10:13:47 | JdGordon | petur: ? we have to hardcode some icons... thats what svn does now anyway |
| 10:14:54 | petur | we could do without if the loadable ones aren't there, no? |
| 10:16:00 | JdGordon | well, we dont use viewers.config anymore to load a viewer icon, so, if everyone is happy to have the ? icon for all files supported by viewers.config then the loading can be removed.. otherwise its too hard to split the coed |
| 10:16:13 | JdGordon | and not worth it, seen as the viewers.bmp file needs to be loaded anyway |
| 10:16:39 | petur | I'd show no icon at all, not a ? |
| 10:17:06 | JdGordon | well, currently no icon means we dont support the filetype |
| 10:18:06 | petur | no loadable icons found => no icons to see at all |
| 10:19:30 | pondlife | JdGordon: Forgive me for being late to the game, but does the loadable icons patch not potentially reduce the cods size? If someone doesn't want icons, there's no need for ANY to be in memory (loaded or fixed)... |
| 10:19:42 | petur | brb |
| 10:21:13 | JdGordon | pondlife: no, because we still compile in a default set of icons |
| 10:21:20 | pondlife | Why? |
| 10:21:35 | hen3rz_ | Oh i forgot to mention this but rockbox got a mention in one of Australia largest computing Magazines |
| 10:21:36 | JdGordon | we _could_ load all 40 odd icons from bmps, but having a built in set is better |
| 10:21:43 | JdGordon | hen3rz_: which one? |
| 10:21:49 | hen3rz_ | APC |
| 10:21:53 | pondlife | Hmm, seems simpler to only load icons. |
| 10:22:15 | pondlife | I mean, if I want to use nice colour icons, why waste memory on the mono ones? |
| 10:22:30 | pondlife | Or indeed, if I decide not to show icons. |
| 10:22:40 | hen3rz_ | They listed it as like a firmware replacement for MP3 Players |
| 10:22:43 | pondlife | Could actually gain a bit of audio buffer |
| 10:22:51 | hen3rz_ | and gave a bit of a spin on it |
| 10:23:03 | B4gder | hen3rz_: cool |
| 10:23:29 | JdGordon | pondlife: I was persuaded very early on to use a static buffer, not dynamic... but yeah, they could disable the image buffer easily |
| 10:24:06 | pondlife | Seems wasteful to me to have fixed default icons, that's all. |
| 10:24:24 | pondlife | So is the icon buffer size fixed, or user-configurable? |
| 10:24:29 | JdGordon | fixed |
| 10:24:29 | pondlife | Or fixed at load time |
| 10:24:39 | JdGordon | fixed at compile time |
| 10:24:47 | pondlife | So with a tiny set of icons there is some waste |
| 10:25:16 | JdGordon | yes |
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| 10:26:19 | pondlife | Can the iconset be changed through the UI now - the version I tried required that the CFG file was edited. |
| 10:26:36 | JdGordon | no, you have to use the cfg... keeps the ui neater and bin size down |
| 10:26:50 | Llorean | pondlife: Just create a theme that just loads your iconset, when you create the icons. |
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| 10:27:26 | pondlife | I was thinking it would be reasonable to size the buffer at load time... if the buffer isn't big enough, then prompt the user to reboot. |
| 10:27:34 | JdGordon | Llorean: did ou come up with a better char than m for the icons file? |
| 10:27:54 | JdGordon | pondlife: I started doing that, but was forcibly changed to static buffer :D |
| 10:27:59 | pondlife | Pity |
| 10:28:01 | Llorean | JdGordon: Not really. I would like maybe _ rather than a letter, but I'm not sure how others would feel about it. :) |
| 10:28:10 | * | pondlife rates spare audio buffer above a nice UI |
| 10:28:17 | Llorean | pondlife: You shouldn't have to reboot to load themes. |
| 10:28:19 | JdGordon | Llorean: # or $ ? |
| 10:28:41 | pondlife | Llorean: Well if it frees up buffer then why not? Themes aren't changed very often.. |
| 10:28:46 | Llorean | JdGordon: # tends to denote comments (in the WPS and Tagnavi already, so it may confuse) |
| 10:28:57 | Llorean | pondlife: You might be surprised. A lot of people change them way too often (imho) |
| 10:29:00 | pondlife | I mean, who seriously changes their icons more than once a month. |
| 10:29:13 | JdGordon | Llorean: @ ? |
| 10:29:17 | pondlife | This is an audio player... |
| 10:29:22 | JdGordon | pondlife: themers... |
| 10:29:32 | Llorean | JdGordon: I honestly don't like a character at all, really, as I said. :) I won't object though. |
| 10:29:34 | pondlife | Well a reboot is hardly difficult. |
| 10:29:42 | JdGordon | hehe ok |
| 10:30:04 | pondlife | If it could give a simple dynamic buffer that doesn't waste space then it's surely worthwhile. |
| 10:30:15 | Llorean | pondlife: Surely? |
| 10:30:22 | pondlife | IMHO :) |
| 10:30:31 | Llorean | pondlife: How often, on average, would you say you skip a song? |
| 10:30:48 | pondlife | Not often, about 1 in 6 tracks maybe |
| 10:30:49 | JdGordon | LinusN: B4gder: http://rafb.net/p/4q7TNL16.html is the diff for buildzip.pl if you want to make sure its OK? |
| 10:31:05 | Llorean | pondlife: 1 in 6 tracks is probably more damage to your battery life than this patch. |
| 10:31:12 | JdGordon | pondlife: which target do you use? |
| 10:31:13 | pondlife | But any loss of audio buffer will have a proportional effect. |
| 10:31:16 | pondlife | H340 |
| 10:31:28 | Llorean | pondlife: You're flushing several MB of audio data, rather than maybe 300 bytes. |
| 10:31:42 | JdGordon | ok, so its got a fairly lare buffer... but its has 29MB of audio buffer... its not really wasting much |
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| 10:31:56 | LinusN | JdGordon: no complaints |
| 10:31:56 | pondlife | Hmm, I thought I lost about 0.5MB when I tried the patch |
| 10:31:56 | Llorean | pondlife: Here's a tip |
| 10:32:23 | pondlife | And... what about the Archos targets? |
| 10:32:25 | Llorean | pondlife: Make your playlists, then set the "max files in folder" to the absolute minimum to recover that memory, and that can make up for the static sized buffer. |
| 10:32:48 | pondlife | Llorean: I tend to use a single playlist of all tracks. 22000 |
| 10:33:02 | pondlife | I don't wish to change that. |
| 10:33:07 | Llorean | I didn't say to change that |
| 10:33:17 | Llorean | I said to change the "Max files in folder" option (and related options) |
| 10:33:22 | pondlife | Well, I already have set my playlist and folder size |
| 10:33:24 | pondlife | s |
| 10:33:34 | Llorean | Do you have the folder size set at the minimum? |
| 10:33:45 | pondlife | Yes, for me. 500. |
| 10:33:46 | * | petur once tried random playback of all his songs and felt the different music styles didn't quite fit |
| 10:33:51 | Llorean | pondlife: 500 is not the minimum |
| 10:33:58 | pondlife | It is for my root folder :) |
| 10:34:08 | Llorean | pondlife: Then you're wasting more RAM than this patch should. |
| 10:34:23 | Llorean | pondlife: Organize your folders so you can set it lower, and you can recover buffer space. |
| 10:34:23 | SliMM | which is better: using bitmaps or drawing smth by code? |
| 10:34:31 | pondlife | Yes, but I need that to play audio. I don't even have icons displayed normally. |
| 10:34:43 | Llorean | pondlife: Or just set it lower. If you've already created a playlist, and you only use it, you don't need to be able to see the whole folder (those limits don't keep the playlist from working) |
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| 10:35:02 | Llorean | pondlife: You need a 500 folder root to play audio? You can't organize it? |
| 10:35:18 | pondlife | No, I choose to have an artist/album structure |
| 10:35:26 | pondlife | It has served me well for many years |
| 10:35:44 | Llorean | So, your point is "I'm not willing to make a simple change to recover audio buffer, but you should make other people have to restart their player to change to bigger icons" |
| 10:36:00 | pondlife | No. My point is this should be dynamic. |
| 10:36:15 | Llorean | And we told you, dynamic would require restarting the player for larger icons. |
| 10:36:24 | pondlife | Honestly, why would somebody change to bigger icons more than once a day |
| 10:36:47 | pondlife | A reboot is absolutely trivial. |
| 10:36:47 | Llorean | Honestly, why wouldn't someone divide their Artists up by Letter? |
| 10:36:54 | Llorean | A reboot is "annoying" to most users. |
| 10:37:08 | pondlife | To you maybe |
| 10:37:14 | B4gder | yeah, browsing through "themes" will be very painful |
| 10:37:15 | pondlife | I don't see the stats. |
| 10:37:19 | B4gder | if we require reboots |
| 10:37:28 | petur | windows users are used to it :p |
| 10:37:34 | pondlife | OK, you win.. |
| 10:37:44 | Llorean | pondlife: My point is, why aren't YOU willing to accept a little annoyance? |
| 10:37:45 | * | pondlife grumbles in his corner |
| 10:37:49 | Llorean | You say "Others should" not "I will" |
| 10:37:52 | pondlife | No |
| 10:37:55 | Llorean | Organize your folders by letter |
| 10:38:14 | pondlife | That's not a little annoyance, that's pretty fundamental to the way I organise my PC and DAPs |
| 10:38:16 | JdGordon | grrr... bloody rec screen! |
| 10:38:23 | Llorean | pondlife: I don't think it's fundamental |
| 10:38:32 | Llorean | pondlife: It means you can scroll to where you want to be much quicker. Better efficiency |
| 10:38:41 | Llorean | It's a matter of opinion |
| 10:38:42 | roolku | JdGordon: can you change the "Save Theme Settings" to include the icon set? |
| 10:38:45 | pondlife | Yes |
| 10:38:52 | Llorean | pondlife: The point is, you want to impose your opinion on others |
| 10:38:56 | pondlife | Not at all. |
| 10:38:58 | Llorean | pondlife: And you won't accept my opinion imposed on you. |
| 10:39:02 | JdGordon | roolku: they should be in that file... |
| 10:39:03 | Llorean | pondlife: You want to impose it on me. |
| 10:39:05 | pondlife | No |
| 10:39:10 | Llorean | Yes |
| 10:39:12 | roolku | :) |
| 10:39:18 | pondlife | OK, why not make it configurable |
| 10:39:19 | Llorean | You said that *I* should accept having my player need to reboot to choose larger icons. |
| 10:39:23 | pondlife | No, |
| 10:39:28 | Llorean | Yes, you did. |
| 10:39:34 | pondlife | We haven't committed the patch yet :p |
| 10:39:41 | * | scorche gives Llorean and pondlife each a set of boxing gloves |
| 10:39:47 | Llorean | What does whether it's committed or not have to do with it. |
| 10:40:00 | Llorean | You said that it should be dynamic, which requires a reboot for size changes. |
| 10:40:07 | pondlife | Not necessarily |
| 10:40:13 | pondlife | Why not make it configurable too? |
| 10:40:18 | Llorean | Make what configurable? |
| 10:40:19 | pondlife | i.e. part of the theme |
| 10:40:35 | petur | what a silly idea |
| 10:40:40 | pondlife | OK |
| 10:40:42 | Llorean | pondlife: What "it" should be made configurable? |
| 10:40:46 | Llorean | You've not given a noun to associate it with. |
| 10:40:56 | Llorean | Unless you mean "it" as "whether you need to reboot" |
| 10:41:18 | * | pondlife waves white flag |
| 10:41:38 | JdGordon | anyone know which file the recording screen is in? |
| 10:41:44 | pondlife | ...and runs back to release 2.5 |
| 10:41:55 | petur | JdGordon: apps/recorder/recording.c |
| 10:42:08 | JdGordon | bah, thanks, forgot about recorder/ |
| 10:42:10 | Llorean | pondlife: It's just your argument makes no sense. Why not argue for dynamic buffers for Plugins, WPSes, and the voice codec while you're at it? |
| 10:42:15 | pondlife | Yes, |
| 10:42:23 | Llorean | Which requires malloc, or reboots |
| 10:42:25 | petur | oh no... |
| 10:42:35 | * | petur hides under a rock |
| 10:42:35 | pondlife | They should all be dynamic ideally |
| 10:42:41 | pondlife | But no malloc argument from me |
| 10:42:43 | Llorean | pondlife: Figure out how without malloc or reboots then. |
| 10:43:10 | pondlife | Well, I don't actually see the problem with reboots.... personally, but as you said that is subjective.. |
| 10:43:23 | Llorean | I don't see the problem with organizing your music properly (by my standard) |
| 10:43:29 | pondlife | If you hate it so much that you don't mind wasting audio buffer then fine. |
| 10:44:07 | pondlife | Well, I can reorganise my music if you so choose - but I would still want to maximise audio buffer. |
| 10:44:28 | Llorean | pondlife: You aren't right now |
| 10:44:31 | Llorean | Why start? |
| 10:44:56 | pondlife | I'm talking about the general principle. |
| 10:45:26 | Llorean | Rockbox's architecture assumes static buffers. |
| 10:45:29 | pondlife | #1 KISS = good, #2 more audio buffer = good |
| 10:45:48 | Llorean | pondlife: Prove the latter, thanks. |
| 10:45:50 | pondlife | And #0 stability = good |
| 10:45:58 | Llorean | More audio buffer is ONLY good if you have certain listening habits. |
| 10:46:01 | JdGordon | rec screen doesnt use the UI font :'( |
| 10:46:04 | pondlife | Llorean: You don't use an Archos recorder |
| 10:46:08 | Llorean | pondlife: Yes, I do. |
| 10:46:14 | pondlife | ? |
| 10:46:29 | pondlife | Sorry didn't get the ? in... I wasn't asserting that |
| 10:46:37 | petur | jdGordon: it's waiting for a WRS |
| 10:46:39 | Llorean | But the point is, more audio buffer on the majority of our targets is bad under certain listening habits. |
| 10:47:08 | Llorean | For "browsers", more audio buffer is worse. |
| 10:47:14 | petur | JdGordon even |
| 10:47:37 | JdGordon | enums default to ints right? |
| 10:47:37 | Llorean | While it is ideal to keep as much free as possible, nitpicking over a few kilobytes because we're using a static buffer is ridiculous. |
| 10:47:39 | pondlife | Hmm, so our buffering algorithm has a weakness. |
| 10:47:51 | petur | JdGordon: yes |
| 10:47:52 | * | pondlife is officially ridiculous |
| 10:47:55 | Llorean | Our buffering algorithm fills the buffer with what's coming up next. |
| 10:47:57 | JdGordon | petur: ok ta |
| 10:48:00 | pondlife | I know |
| 10:48:09 | Llorean | That's a strength if the user follows one listening habit |
| 10:48:13 | Llorean | And a weakness following another. |
| 10:48:38 | Llorean | And you can't make one that favours both, one way would sacrifice the other. |
| 10:48:38 | pondlife | So you are saying that for a "browser" we shouldn't bother reading so much stuff - and could perhaps save disk power? |
| 10:49:13 | Llorean | You can't really do anything for a browser. |
| 10:49:19 | pondlife | Exactly. |
| 10:50:05 | pondlife | So focus on improving for the non-browser, whilst not making things worse for the browser. |
| 10:50:30 | pondlife | Anyway, you won |
| 10:50:52 | Llorean | You reorganized your music? ;) |
| 10:50:54 | pondlife | No |
| 10:51:00 | petur | rofl |
| 10:51:13 | pondlife | But I shall carry on not trying to worry about buffer space (until amiconn mentions it) :) |
| 10:51:24 | pondlife | That should give me 2 days of happines |
| 10:51:24 | pondlife | s |
| 10:51:48 | pondlife | I should add that I really want to see loadable icons committed. |
| 10:52:51 | Llorean | pondlife: At 1bpp, a buffer for 32 loadable icons is 18k I believe. |
| 10:53:24 | pondlife | OK, so that should basically be the same size as the default icons used before, right? |
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| 10:54:01 | Llorean | Well now you have defaults + maximum number of tagnavi icons, I believe. |
| 10:54:09 | Llorean | So, defaults + 32, I think? |
| 10:54:10 | amiconn | Llorean: ?? Should be far less |
| 10:54:11 | * | Llorean doesn't know. |
| 10:54:21 | Llorean | amiconn: 24x24x32x1? |
| 10:54:30 | pondlife | OK, fair enough if we gain functionalilty. |
| 10:54:40 | amiconn | You forgot /8 |
| 10:54:47 | amiconn | 1bpp is bits, not bytes |
| 10:54:47 | Llorean | Ah |
| 10:54:53 | Llorean | Yes, I completely forgot 8 |
| 10:54:54 | Llorean | Or /8 |
| 10:55:05 | Llorean | So, 2.25k |
| 10:56:04 | hen3rz_ | For those interested B4gder, JdGordon Here are some links to the article: hen3rz/APC_Mag_May_2007_02.jpg">http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p169/hen3rz/APC_Mag_May_2007_02.jpg , http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p169/hen3rz/APC_Mag_May_2007_01.jpg |
| 10:56:13 | JdGordon | cheers |
| 10:56:17 | pondlife | Thanks |
| 10:56:56 | hen3rz_ | Woops i linked the first page second sorry |
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| 10:57:38 | JdGordon | they recommend 150mb free space! |
| 10:57:40 | JdGordon | wtf? |
| 10:57:54 | hen3rz_ | Hahaha yeah i was wondering the same |
| 10:58:11 | B4gder | to make room for 10 downloaded copies! ;-P |
| 10:58:24 | pondlife | Better safe than sorry!! |
| 10:58:34 | Llorean | JdGordon: Doom, Doom 2, TNT, Plutionia, Freedoom, it all adds up. :-P |
| 10:58:43 | B4gder | yeah, it's not very likely to be a problem to people anyway |
| 10:58:54 | scorche | well, besides that and the outdated installation instructions, it seems to be a decent article |
| 10:58:57 | amiconn | Llorean: Btw, malloc or reboot aren't the only alternatives |
| 10:59:08 | Llorean | amiconn: Use the plugin buffer? |
| 10:59:15 | * | JdGordon has no idea how the rec screen draws its icons... so commits and hopes noone notices |
| 10:59:16 | pondlife | You can stop playback |
| 10:59:23 | pondlife | and resize the audio buffer. |
| 10:59:35 | JdGordon | causing mem leaks |
| 10:59:40 | scorche | hrm?...they call the connector from the HD to the ipod IDE.. |
| 10:59:43 | amiconn | In the past an idea showed up several times to implement a way to re-alloc all dynamic allocations from the buffer |
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| 11:00:05 | Llorean | amiconn: I really wouldn't mind just having to stop playback at all. |
| 11:00:21 | amiconn | Yes, that would need to happen, but no reboot |
| 11:00:29 | * | Llorean would be all for that. |
| 11:00:48 | markun | amiconn: nice work on moving all the SH1 stuff to target tree |
| 11:00:56 | * | JdGordon doesnt like that idea so much |
| 11:00:57 | amiconn | markun: It's not yet finished |
| 11:01:04 | pondlife | Erm, I should have been much more precise earlier... for "reboot" I was actually thinking of stopping/restarting playback... |
| 11:01:19 | amiconn | JdGordon: Would you mind if I just close your patch for moving the archos player to target tree? |
| 11:01:20 | pondlife | Still it's early Monday morning here :( |
| 11:01:41 | amiconn | It's superseded by the all-archos move except power.c now |
| 11:01:56 | JdGordon | amiconn: no, go for it |
| 11:02:10 | markun | amiconn: after that it's mainly the pnx0101 stuff which needs moving, right? |
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| 11:02:32 | Llorean | pondlife: See, "reboot" to me means "Spend 3-5 seconds holding poweroff, release, and then hold it for 2 more, then wait 7" on the gigabeat (as a worst case) |
| 11:02:48 | Llorean | Since RoLo doesn't work yet, and the power button takes a while, and the flash loader takes a while... etc. |
| 11:02:56 | amiconn | power.c will follow soon. I was hoping to do that in conjunction with a powermgmt cleanup, but that probably won't happen just now. Too many other pending stuff atm |
| 11:02:57 | Llorean | Of course, on the Nano, it's like, 2.5 seconds |
| 11:03:12 | amiconn | Perhaps I'll work a little bit on runcurrent() for the targets I have though |
| 11:03:37 | amiconn | markun: That, and it looks like some s3c2440 stuff isn't moved (iirc) |
| 11:03:42 | pondlife | Yup. I've only used H340 and Archos Recorder. Both of those are pretty quick starters. |
| 11:04:23 | markun | amiconn: oh, oops |
| 11:04:24 | amiconn | pondlife: Even if archoses boot quick there's an annoyance in having to reboot, at least for targets with rombox |
| 11:04:44 | pondlife | No problem. See my later comment... I meant "restart playback". |
| 11:04:57 | Llorean | pondlife: Rebooting on the Gigabeat leaves me plenty of spare time to get other things done. Taxes, cleaning the apartment, you name it. :) |
| 11:05:03 | pondlife | lol |
| 11:05:04 | amiconn | If you want to continue running from rom you can't just rolo, you need to shut down + restart. And first disconnect the charger if it's connected |
| 11:05:32 | pondlife | So.. the reason my tax return was late was that I didn't do enough rebooting... |
| 11:05:39 | amiconn | haha |
| 11:07:10 | pondlife | JdGordon: Whereabouts do the loaded icons fit into http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxMemoryLayout ? |
| 11:07:38 | pondlife | After cuesheet buffer? |
| 11:07:56 | JdGordon | pondlife: static buffer... at compile time... |
| 11:08:17 | pondlife | Yes, but where in memory? |
| 11:08:33 | JdGordon | wherever gcc puts them |
| 11:08:54 | JdGordon | static unsigned char icon_buffer[IMG_BUFSIZE][NB_SCREENS]; |
| 11:09:01 | pondlife | OK |
| 11:09:11 | amiconn | petur: I wonder about your DevCon2007 edit. I am unaware of any target that doesn't build... (except the pending ones linuxstb keeps forgetting about ;) ) |
| 11:09:12 | pondlife | So part of the binary size |
| 11:09:22 | Llorean | amiconn: iFP? |
| 11:09:30 | Llorean | I know someone tried recently and said it failed. |
| 11:09:56 | amiconn | pondlife: bss isn't part of the binary size |
| 11:10:10 | petur | amiconn: I meant the binary size issue some builds have |
| 11:10:35 | Stalwart | does anyone know what's the latest appleos for nano 1g? |
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| 11:10:58 | Stalwart | a little bit off topic here, but i dunno where else i can ask |
| 11:11:08 | pondlife | amiconn: Maybe it should be included in the delta table if possible? |
| 11:11:13 | JdGordon | holy crap! power problem at uni today, put to electrical contractors into hospital when they went to check the problem :( |
| 11:11:19 | Llorean | Stalwart: Apple tells you their version numbers with their updates... |
| 11:11:31 | Stalwart | i don't have windows and itunes |
| 11:11:32 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 11:11:34 | Stalwart | i use rockbox |
| 11:11:40 | Stalwart | ^_^ |
| 11:12:05 | Llorean | It's on their website |
| 11:12:12 | Llorean | But if you don't intend to use it, it's rather irrelevant. |
| 11:12:12 | Stalwart | oh, where? |
| 11:12:25 | Llorean | I don't know, I just know I've seen it before. Try searching a bit. |
| 11:12:51 | Stalwart | one of many reasons to switch to rockbox for me was bug in 1.3 firmware - nano didn't turn off |
| 11:13:08 | JdGordon | is there (or will the be) a schedule or the rough times devcon ppl would be ttalking about different topics? |
| 11:13:20 | * | JdGordon would like to attend over skype for some discussion |
| 11:14:11 | scorche | oooo...that is a good idea |
| 11:14:20 | scorche | skype + webcam |
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| 11:15:10 | JdGordon | B4gder: would skype be possible? |
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| 11:15:19 | SliMM | Stalwart: ipods generally don't turn off, they just go into standby |
| 11:15:20 | JdGordon | I remember you had a webcam last year setup |
| 11:15:39 | pondlife | Yep, but 2 way links would be great |
| 11:16:20 | scorche | does skype allow you to have a video conference?....i know it will let you have an audio conference |
| 11:16:34 | Stalwart | SliMM: mine didn't go even to standby |
| 11:16:34 | scorche | not sure if more than 2 can stream video though.. |
| 11:16:36 | * | JdGordon doesnt have a webcam.. so only need voice :p |
| 11:16:58 | bluebrother | if this works it tempts me to buy a webcam ... |
| 11:17:01 | Stalwart | scorche: skype allows video conversations |
| 11:17:05 | SliMM | stalwart: ok :) anyway, rockbox is far better |
| 11:17:07 | Stalwart | windows and mac versions |
| 11:17:18 | scorche | Stalwart: i know it does...i said that...but a conference? |
| 11:17:30 | Stalwart | scorche: yes, conference |
| 11:17:40 | Stalwart | afaik... |
| 11:17:44 | * | Stalwart gone to check |
| 11:17:48 | scorche | hrm....2 others with skype and a webcam willing to test? ;) |
| 11:17:51 | Stalwart | i use linux version, no video here ;[ |
| 11:18:10 | * | petur votes for gizmo |
| 11:18:18 | JdGordon | first hit on google says yes |
| 11:18:27 | Stalwart | google talk rules anyway ;) |
| 11:18:31 | Stalwart | xmpp ftw! |
| 11:19:10 | scorche | regardless, a voice only conference would be desired =) |
| 11:19:31 | pondlife | Yep, voice conference + webcam out for all... |
| 11:19:42 | bluebrother | can google talk do video conferences? |
| 11:19:50 | Stalwart | afaik it can with latest versions |
| 11:19:56 | * | JdGordon keeps that saturday night free :p |
| 11:20:48 | bluebrother | xmpp sounds better than skype ;-) |
| 11:21:07 | scorche | it doesnt matter to me as long as it works |
| 11:21:59 | scorche | isnt xmpp text only though? |
| 11:22:17 | Stalwart | xmpp is extensible only :) |
| 11:22:24 | petur | it's used for the connection setup iirc |
| 11:22:26 | bluebrother | xmpp works quite well for chatting ... and google talk uses it ;-) |
| 11:22:49 | Stalwart | libjingle implements voice calls over xmpp |
| 11:22:52 | bluebrother | afaik it uses RTP anyway but replaces SIP with xmpp / jingle |
| 11:23:39 | scorche | well, point is, be ready for a few conference calls (it is already decided...you are doing it B4gder ;) |
| 11:24:02 | * | scorche moves behind bluebrother |
| 11:24:18 | bluebrother | why behind me? |
| 11:24:24 | * | bluebrother starts to fear ... |
| 11:24:28 | scorche | because you are there! |
| 11:24:33 | bluebrother | damn. |
| 11:25:06 | petur | binsize results are in .... |
| 11:25:09 | Stalwart | xmpp is very nice, but next few years skype will rule VoIP |
| 11:25:50 | * | petur removed skype as their stupid masternode was eating all his bandwidth |
| 11:26:06 | bluebrother | woah. Quite red deltas ... |
| 11:26:36 | Stalwart | petur: just restart skype every ~6 hours and you won't get supernode status ;) |
| 11:26:40 | bluebrother | maybe the deltas should use more different colors. Dark red for delta > 500 bytes or so ;) |
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| 11:28:45 | amiconn | Compared to what it does, the deltas are ok. Not nice, but ok :/ |
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| 11:29:17 | JdGordon | 500bytes isnt bad :) |
| 11:29:36 | petur | or 4800 on h300 |
| 11:29:38 | bluebrother | JdGordon: did you forget to set some svn properties? The bitmaps aren't shown correctly with viewvc |
| 11:29:52 | hen3rz_ | Wow this custom icon thing will be pretty cool |
| 11:30:05 | JdGordon | i asked the other day about adding them correctly and was told you dont need to do anything special |
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| 11:30:15 | amiconn | It's ~1K on all bitmap archoses. The binsizes for recorder are misleading |
| 11:30:27 | JdGordon | bluebrother: can you fix them for me please? /me going back to dinner |
| 11:30:50 | bluebrother | afaik you need to set the properties yourself unless you enabled autoprops |
| 11:30:54 | bluebrother | can do that. |
| 11:32:35 | bluebrother | JdGordon: strange, svn tells me they are set. Maybe it's just viewvc choking around |
| 11:33:19 | bluebrother | thought it should cope with that as it works fine with the png images in the manual |
| 11:34:04 | Llorea1 | Why does the e200 have the worst delta? |
| 11:34:04 | bluebrother | ok, it _is_ viewvc to blame. Sorry for causing confusion. |
| 11:34:18 | bluebrother | Llorea1: I guess because of the mi4 thing |
| 11:34:24 | Llorea1 | I thought the X5 and H300 would be the worst due to their color screens plus LCD remote. |
| 11:34:58 | Llorea1 | bluebrother: But it added 700 more to the e200 than any other MI4 target... |
| 11:35:01 | * | Llorea1 shrugs |
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| 11:35:15 | * | bluebrother is just guessing :P |
| 11:35:26 | Llorean | It could very well be, but it seems curious to me. |
| 11:37:14 | * | Llorean sees no icons. |
| 11:37:24 | GodEater | Llorean: I didn't either till I changed theme |
| 11:37:31 | GodEater | that seemed to force them to draw |
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| 11:38:36 | markun | anyone in here who speaks Russian? |
| 11:38:54 | Llorean | GodEater: Ah, I detect a MAJOR problem. |
| 11:39:12 | Llorean | The default icons are black and white, but they aren't treated as "mono" |
| 11:39:18 | Llorean | IE, they don't match the font color. |
| 11:39:25 | Llorean | No icons for me, because I've a black background |
| 11:39:58 | GodEater | ah same here |
| 11:40:02 | GodEater | I *was* using cabbie |
| 11:40:18 | Llorean | I was using a slightly modified cabbie. :) |
| 11:40:19 | GodEater | switched to something with a light background and then they became visisble |
| 11:43:59 | GodEater | same deal in 7words, the icons are only barely visible |
| 11:44:06 | GodEater | dark blue background |
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| 11:47:59 | crop | Why is #define NOICON Icon_NOICON (icon.h:27 and :30) repeated? To be easier to chnge in the future? |
| 11:49:08 | crop | There is also a typo in the comment icon.h:35. Is it cmp or bmp? |
| 11:50:30 | Llorean | JdGordon: Currently the default iconset doesn't change with the font color. IMHO this is very bad. |
| 11:51:03 | * | GodEater agrees with Llorean |
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| 11:53:15 | JdGordon | Llorean: they dont? |
| 11:53:28 | Llorean | JdGordon: Nope |
| 11:53:39 | Llorean | JdGordon: You made them bitmap native instead of bitmap mono, I assume |
| 11:55:02 | Llorean | Also, the first image in my viewers bmp is being used for my playlists, even though my .icons file actually never references image 0. |
| 11:55:41 | markun | JdGordon: nice work, looks great here with aliask's icons |
| 11:56:12 | JdGordon | Llorean: one thing at a time :p |
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| 11:57:03 | pondlife | JdGordon: When you're ready, I have a bit of minor breakage to report too... |
| 11:57:30 | * | JdGordon thinks transparent_bitmap_part doesnt do the forground coolour changing... |
| 11:57:37 | JdGordon | pondlife: shoot, i was beign silly |
| 11:57:42 | Llorean | JdGordon: It's never supposed to |
| 11:57:53 | Llorean | JdGordon: If you need a transparent bitmap, that means it's not Mono, and only Mono does foreground/background |
| 11:58:00 | JdGordon | so we either have black icons, or colour and purple |
| 11:58:09 | pondlife | make install on a sim build gives an error: "cp: cannot stat ./home/Steve/rockbox/apps/plugins/bitmaps/viewer_defaults/remote_viewers.6x6x1.bmp': |
| 11:58:09 | pondlife | No such file or directory" |
| 11:58:23 | JdGordon | 6x6? |
| 11:58:31 | pondlife | Yep! |
| 11:58:39 | pondlife | I thought that was odd too |
| 11:58:54 | pondlife | This is an H300 simulator |
| 11:59:11 | JdGordon | bah, fixed |
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| 12:00:05 | JdGordon | Llorean: can you put your icons file up somewhere? and the bmp you use? |
| 12:00:52 | Llorean | JdGordon: I used elisherers with the m3u entry removed from the .icons file |
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| 12:01:27 | roolku | what does "wav,viewers/wavplay,*0" in viewer.config mean? (I assume - is no icon?) |
| 12:01:44 | JdGordon | Llorean: did you replace the 'b' with * ? |
| 12:01:58 | JdGordon | roolku: it means use the first icon in the main set instead of the viewers iconset |
| 12:02:09 | spiorf | just a little build question: there is a way to tell configure that i want the normal ipod nano build from the command line? |
| 12:02:14 | Llorean | JdGordon: I removed the line entirely. |
| 12:02:33 | pondlife | JdGordon: Did you consider making icon sets have an .icn extension, and allowing the iconset to be configured in a similar way to fonts |
| 12:02:53 | JdGordon | pondlife: how do you mean? |
| 12:03:07 | roolku | JdGordon: considering that there are 3 different entries for wav (-, *0 and 10) which one is going to be used? |
| 12:03:15 | pondlife | i.e. allow browsing to a file to set the current icons? |
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| 12:03:44 | pondlife | FWIW Browsing to Eli's BMP files actually crashes the sim at the moment... |
| 12:04:03 | JdGordon | roolku: none :D wav is inbuilt, so that number is ignored completly |
| 12:04:44 | roolku | JdGordon: how very intuitive :) |
| 12:04:52 | Llorean | JdGordon: I think there are problems with changing from one iconset to another perhaps. |
| 12:05:10 | pondlife | Yes |
| 12:05:21 | pondlife | I am seeing odd heights when changing... |
| 12:05:48 | Llorean | JdGordon: I'm seeing Audio files (MP3, flac) showing my playlist icon for some reason, now. |
| 12:06:41 | Llorean | And this was after I manually added an m3u line back into the .icons file, and reloaded the theme |
| 12:07:25 | JdGordon | your one up on me... Im not getting any icon shown for my mp3s... this was all working before :'( |
| 12:07:39 | * | JdGordon wonders what he changed in the last 2 hours |
| 12:07:42 | Llorean | JdGordon: It looks like built in filetypes aren't working. |
| 12:09:58 | Llorean | JdGordon: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm *not* supposed to be able to change, say, MP3 with my .icons file? |
| 12:10:01 | JdGordon | hmm... something broke the icons file handlign |
| 12:10:36 | JdGordon | Llorean: you are supposed to be allowed to |
| 12:10:36 | Llorean | Ah |
| 12:10:37 | Llorean | The problem seems to be if you have it in the icons file, then load one without it. |
| 12:10:41 | JdGordon | well, it sort of happened that way, i didnt add extra code to allow it :) |
| 12:11:05 | pondlife | Can someone else do a quick check for me with a SVN build...? i.e. not icon-related, so don't want to distract JDGordon... |
| 12:11:18 | Llorean | If I have mp3 at the beginning, then remove it, mp3 gets to share an icon with something else, it seems |
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| 12:12:57 | pondlife | Llorean: Do you have a copy of Eli's custom_icons.16x16x16.bmp (or 6x8x16) on your DAP? |
| 12:13:39 | Llorean | 16x16x16 |
| 12:14:01 | pondlife | OK, just try browsing to the BMP file and selecting it. |
| 12:14:05 | pondlife | What happens? |
| 12:14:19 | crop | He-he. We now have the time of great delta commits |
| 12:14:47 | bluebrother | when was we-want-rombox-back-time scheduled again? ;-) |
| 12:14:48 | Llorean | pondlife: "Can't open" and then some garbage |
| 12:15:25 | Llorean | pondlife: It's trying to open something in /.rockbox/rocks/ |
| 12:15:35 | pondlife | Llorean: OK, I get a segfault in filetype_get_plugin |
| 12:15:53 | pondlife | In snprintf to be precise. |
| 12:16:01 | Llorean | pondlife: Have you tried opening a .txt? |
| 12:16:07 | pondlife | Nope, good idea |
| 12:16:33 | * | Llorean doesn't have one on his player |
| 12:16:45 | pondlife | COPYING.txt? |
| 12:17:05 | Llorean | Okay, I didn't *think* I had one |
| 12:17:26 | pondlife | Seems to work ok |
| 12:17:32 | Llorean | Yep |
| 12:17:36 | Llorean | So it's just the bitmap viewer? |
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| 12:17:52 | pondlife | Maybe try some other bitmaps? |
| 12:18:22 | Llorean | pondlife: No bitmaps seem to work |
| 12:18:27 | pondlife | OK |
| 12:18:29 | Llorean | but rockpaint runs fine on its own |
| 12:19:04 | Llorean | Icons slightly bigger than the font size actually look kinda cool |
| 12:19:20 | Llorean | They overlap but it doesn't look horrible. |
| 12:19:34 | Llorean | Now, if I didn't have to have a .icons file that included very filetype on my player... |
| 12:21:33 | JdGordon | pondlife: i have a sneaking feeling this has been broken since i redid filetypes.c |
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| 12:22:18 | Llorean | JdGordon: Why does just .bmp get the shaft though? |
| 12:22:50 | pondlife | JdGordon: It's not a new bug today |
| 12:22:50 | JdGordon | because its the only one that is built in but not handled by onplay.c |
| 12:22:58 | Llorean | Aaaah |
| 12:23:06 | * | pondlife loves special cases :( |
| 12:23:25 | Llorean | Well, if we removed the ability to manually set backdrops, it would go away wouldn't it? |
| 12:23:26 | Llorean | :-P |
| 12:23:43 | JdGordon | it would... but ill fix the problem properly |
| 12:23:51 | JdGordon | just want to fix these icons |
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| 12:24:15 | pondlife | Is it a sensible idea to browse to an .iconset file? |
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| 12:24:30 | pondlife | (or whatever extension you choose) |
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| 12:24:47 | JdGordon | its a .cfg :) |
| 12:24:53 | pondlife | True! |
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| 12:51:22 | amiconn | JdGordon, pondlife: That happens when doing steps out of order... |
| 12:51:36 | JdGordon | which? |
| 12:51:47 | amiconn | Bitmap drawing will soon auto-select mono/native depending on the bitmap, but not just yet |
| 12:52:02 | * | amiconn is referring to the black-on-black icons |
| 12:52:03 | JdGordon | ah, great |
| 12:52:45 | amiconn | JdGordon: Just a hint regarding wavplay. .wav files are supposed to have a different icon than the audio files supported by the core on hwcodec |
| 12:53:40 | JdGordon | ok, the wavplay icon isnt using the inbuilt icon anymore |
| 12:53:41 | pondlife | amiconn: ? What's it got to do with me? ;p |
| 12:54:03 | amiconn | Just for info, as you pointed out the problem |
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| 12:54:53 | pondlife | I didn't... I spotted the broken BMP, but Llorean spotted the mono/native stuff |
| 12:55:15 | pondlife | Anyway, I'm no longer confused so will make the most of it |
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| 13:02:15 | JdGordon | Llorean: im not 100% i fixed the problem but i cant work on it any more untill later tonight |
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| 13:04:20 | amiconn | JdGordon: No proper default icons for main lcd grayscale? |
| 13:05:12 | JdGordon | grey is using b+w untill someone comes along with some skill... |
| 13:05:16 | * | JdGordon busy for next while |
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| 13:09:25 | Llorean | JdGordon: Warnings, and not an okay one. |
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| 13:11:06 | spiorf | there is already an "official" plave where to put icon themes? |
| 13:11:17 | spiorf | *place |
| 13:11:22 | Llorean | spiorf: No. |
| 13:11:24 | JdGordon | CustomIcons when someone fixes it up to look nice :p |
| 13:11:32 | Llorean | JdGordon: You've got a warning to fix |
| 13:11:33 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 13:11:38 | Llorean | I think you did == NULL instead of == false, but I'm not sure |
| 13:11:49 | JdGordon | no i did viewer instead of plugin |
| 13:11:53 | Llorean | Ah |
| 13:11:53 | JdGordon | same diff :p |
| 13:11:57 | Llorean | I was close. |
| 13:11:59 | Llorean | :-P |
| 13:12:05 | * | JdGordon really really gone.. or gonna fail this assingment |
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| 13:13:36 | Llorean | amiconn: If a 24-bit bitmap is loaded on a 1-bit display, is it reduced to 1-bit (though it'd look mostly quite bad) or will it cause problems other than looking bad? |
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| 13:14:22 | amiconn | The bmp loader always converts to native depth (or mono if requested - that's a do-nothing on mono targets) |
| 13:14:57 | Llorean | spiorf: There should probably just be an IconSets wiki page, since they can be used on all targets equally (though how they look may differ if they're color and used on a non-color target) |
| 13:17:14 | spiorf | Llorean, we should put there a zip containing all the needed files or only bmp files? |
| 13:18:55 | Llorean | I would suggest that it have a .cfg file named Icons_Name.cfg in /.rockbox/themes (for example Icons_RedandBlue.cfg) |
| 13:19:42 | Llorean | It should have only the 1-4 lines necessary to load the iconsets, and change nothing else. |
| 13:19:53 | bluebrother | why not in a folder called icons/? |
| 13:20:13 | Llorean | bluebrother: The /.rockbox/icons folder is for the actual icon files |
| 13:21:10 | bluebrother | sure, but the icons need a configuration too |
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| 13:21:24 | bluebrother | and that configuration is specific to the icon file |
| 13:21:30 | Llorean | What? |
| 13:21:39 | Llorean | Icons are loaded by two lines in a .cfg file |
| 13:21:47 | Llorean | One for the normal icons, and one for the viewer icons. |
| 13:21:55 | bluebrother | ah, you mean loading a icon set separately? |
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| 13:22:10 | Llorean | An icon set should always be a part of a theme |
| 13:22:15 | Llorean | Even if the whole theme is *just* the icon set. :) |
| 13:22:29 | Llorean | You can't load just the .bmp, or load the .icon file |
| 13:22:40 | bluebrother | I thought you meant the icon -> file mapping configuration |
| 13:22:46 | Llorean | Ah, no |
| 13:22:48 | bluebrother | i.e. the .icon file. |
| 13:22:48 | Llorean | The .cfg |
| 13:22:56 | Llorean | The .icon file goes in /.rockbox/icons |
| 13:23:06 | bluebrother | ok, then I got you wrong. Sorry. |
| 13:23:33 | Llorean | I probably wasn't as clear as I could've been |
| 13:23:47 | bluebrother | but shouldn't icons always be "bundled" with a theme anyway? |
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| 13:25:19 | Llorean | Yes, but that theme could just be a foreground and background color change, font change, and icon set, for use with any text-based WPS you feel like (as long as the font doesn't break it) for example |
| 13:25:42 | Llorean | I don't think we're going to get people to not make "just" icon sets. |
| 13:26:24 | bluebrother | no. But we also don't need to announce it ;) |
| 13:26:42 | bluebrother | the people knowing it's possible may do, the others won't care about it |
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| 13:27:19 | Llorean | Yeah, but people are going to want to post their full iconsets somewhere, and either we should ban them from 'official' locations outright, or come up with a good policy in advance. :) |
| 13:27:24 | bluebrother | to be exactly, a theme could also set e.g. icon settings. But I don't think it's intended to do this |
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| 13:27:47 | Llorean | I think themes *should* set whether menus display icons, and possibly load an icon set. |
| 13:27:59 | Llorean | And pick if there's a line-selector, and whether it's the full line or the image, etc. |
| 13:28:13 | Llorean | People don't make use of all the theme options, I think. |
| 13:28:17 | bluebrother | with the customizeable icons this becomes to make sense |
| 13:28:40 | bluebrother | but I wouldn't e.g. like it if a theme sets the line selector to something I don't want |
| 13:28:41 | Llorean | The line-selector image should be treated as an icon... |
| 13:28:53 | Llorean | bluebrother: Make a small change to the theme? |
| 13:29:24 | Llorean | I'm going to have to change some of these icons, for example, because I'm pretty sure I don't like a few of 'em. |
| 13:29:33 | bluebrother | ok, replace theme by "official theme" ;) |
| 13:30:22 | Llorean | Jd|NOT_HERE: Looks good so far at least. |
| 13:30:48 | Llorean | bluebrother: create a simple .cfg file that just has the line "Line Pointer: my_pointer.bmp" |
| 13:30:49 | Llorean | :-P |
| 13:31:04 | Llorean | Then you can fix *any* theme by resetting your pointer. |
| 13:31:35 | Llorean | I just like the idea of not cluttering the "Open With" menu with theme options. |
| 13:31:36 | bluebrother | hehe |
| 13:31:50 | bluebrother | yeah, that's right. |
| 13:32:24 | Llorean | It'd be nice if Browse Themes could show subfolders then, though. |
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| 13:32:29 | Llorean | One day, one day. |
| 13:33:55 | JdGordon | Llorean: that commit fixed the icon wierdness? |
| 13:33:59 | * | JdGordon can play again |
| 13:34:45 | Llorean | JdGordon: It seems to at least |
| 13:39:34 | PaulJam | i'm having problems with the viewers icons, it lools like the first few icons are overlayed by the contents of the remote_viewers.bmp . does someone see something wrong with the icons: www.stud.uni-goettingen.de/~s291827/test/PJ_icons.zip |
| 13:40:05 | Llorean | PaulJam: Are you running the very newest revision? |
| 13:40:18 | Llorean | Because there was a problem like that with the initial commit, but it should be fixed. |
| 13:40:47 | PaulJam | ah, i'll do an update then. |
| 13:41:38 | pondlife | JdGordon: I get some warnings when building a sim now: "gui/icon.c:58: warning: excess elements in array initializer" for example |
| 13:42:20 | Llorean | pondlife: The build table doesn't show warnings in the sims. |
| 13:42:39 | pondlife | Indeed. But that's no excuse for adding warnings... |
| 13:43:07 | * | pondlife is being picky (again) |
| 13:43:29 | Llorean | I'm confused. My point was "there don't seem to be warnings for the build servers" |
| 13:43:43 | pondlife | Ah, ok. I understand you now. |
| 13:44:19 | pondlife | OK, must be me and my Cygwin. Maybe I need a make clean... |
| 13:45:05 | * | JdGordon wonders why pondlife is getting that warning |
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| 13:45:29 | PaulJam | i don't get that warnin when building the h300 sim |
| 13:45:50 | Llorean | JdGordon: Maybe the make clean will fix it. |
| 13:45:57 | JdGordon | should do |
| 13:45:58 | Llorean | PaulJam: All better with the current build, then? |
| 13:46:09 | PaulJam | still compiling.. |
| 13:46:15 | Llorean | You could just download it... |
| 13:46:41 | PaulJam | oh, mybe i should have mentione, that this was with the uisim. |
| 13:47:04 | * | JdGordon looks forward to being able to rolo onto the build on my mSD card :'( |
| 13:47:35 | * | petur points JdGordon to misc.c |
| 13:47:55 | petur | ah wait, you can't access that card yet :) |
| 13:48:00 | JdGordon | yeah :D |
| 13:50:29 | Llorean | JdGordon: If no .icons file is present, does it just use the assignments from the existing tagnavi? |
| 13:50:30 | pondlife | JdGordon: Yep, make clean fixed it |
| 13:50:32 | PaulJam | Llorean: the problem is still there in the sim |
| 13:51:06 | JdGordon | Llorean: if by tagnavi you mean viewers then it should.. figuring out why its not now |
| 13:52:20 | Llorean | PaulJam: What exactly happens |
| 13:52:23 | Llorean | JdGordon: Yeah, viewers. |
| 13:52:58 | Llorean | PaulJam: By which I mean, which icon shows for which type of file that it shouldn't? |
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| 13:53:07 | Llorean | JdGordon: It's not? |
| 13:53:10 | pondlife | Should BMP files open in Rockpaint? |
| 13:53:15 | Llorean | pondlife: Yes |
| 13:53:27 | pondlife | OK, it doesn't any more.. |
| 13:53:34 | JdGordon | Llorean: doesnt appear to |
| 13:53:34 | pondlife | but at least it doesn't crash |
| 13:54:16 | pondlife | I mean by default |
| 13:54:16 | pondlife | Not using Open With |
| 13:54:16 | Llorean | Yeah. |
| 13:54:16 | dionoea | You need to use open with |
| 13:54:17 | pondlife | Ah, now that DOES crash! |
| 13:54:35 | Llorean | PaulJam: Everything seems to be working fine with your iconset here, I need to know what exactly I'm looking for. |
| 13:54:49 | dionoea | And i'm not sure that you can open files bigger than the screen (in any direction) with rockpaint |
| 13:54:55 | dionoea | (although it shouldn't crash) |
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| 13:55:06 | pondlife | dionoea: That's my take on it too |
| 13:55:12 | PaulJam | Llorean: i'll upload a screendump... |
| 13:55:27 | dionoea | I originaly planed to make that possible but never got to actualy coding it |
| 13:55:40 | dionoea | (The code needs some heavy cleanup too) |
| 13:55:55 | JdGordon | dionoea: does it use the standard bmp loader function? |
| 13:56:08 | dionoea | As far as i remember it does |
| 13:56:24 | PaulJam | Llorean: www.stud.uni-goettingen.de/~s291827/test/dump 070416-135307.bmp |
| 13:56:31 | Mmmm | hello Amiconn....are you about? |
| 13:57:09 | dionoea | it uses rb->read_bmp_file |
| 13:57:18 | dionoea | that looks standard to me |
| 13:57:24 | Llorean | PaulJam: My flacs look fine. |
| 13:57:30 | Llorean | With your iconset even. |
| 13:57:44 | JdGordon | dionoea: ok, then it wont let you open a file wider than the screen... but higher is fine |
| 13:57:57 | dionoea | ah, pondlife, it should crop the file if it's bigger than the screen |
| 13:58:01 | PaulJam | hmm, maybe then i should try it on the target |
| 13:58:02 | markun | Mmmm: too bad he isn't here right now |
| 13:58:08 | dionoea | so it definitively shouldn't crash (unless the core function crashes) |
| 13:58:08 | Llorean | PaulJam: Which simulator are you using, and can I assume it's unpatched? |
| 13:58:09 | markun | we thought you would be back after the revert |
| 13:58:32 | PaulJam | yes, unpatched h300 sim |
| 13:58:55 | Mmmm | markun: yeah...always missing each other ;) |
| 13:59:40 | Llorean | PaulJam: Okay, compiling one now |
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| 14:00:14 | Mmmm | Unfortunately I cant hang about for long, just 30 mins or so. |
| 14:00:51 | JdGordon | FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!! no wonder my sim isnt working... viewers.config is empty :'( |
| 14:00:53 | markun | Mmmm: maybe better to email him then? |
| 14:01:10 | Llorean | JdGordon: That's somewhat of a problem, yes. |
| 14:01:15 | markun | where's Bagder when you need him to kick someone.. |
| 14:01:30 | * | Bagder hides |
| 14:01:37 | markun | :) |
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| 14:03:41 | Llorean | PaulJam: It looks like the remote icons are being used on the main screen in the sim for some reason. |
| 14:03:53 | Llorean | PaulJam: Dunno if it'll happen on-target or not |
| 14:04:05 | Mmmm | if amiconn gets here after I've gone. The timer patch needs a complete rewrite from scratch to minimize its size. Proportional fonts didnt even cross my mind, I've never used them. Was that the only problem with getting it to work on the Ondio? Yes Null pointer...oops. |
| 14:04:16 | Mmmm | :) |
| 14:05:38 | JdGordon | Llorean: where is this happening? |
| 14:05:43 | markun | Mmmm: at least your commit got a big discussion going that committers should discuss their patches more before committing |
| 14:06:01 | PaulJam | Llorean: on the target this happens for me too. |
| 14:06:05 | Llorean | JdGordon: Compile an H300 sim, and try the .zip PaulJam provided. |
| 14:06:40 | Mmmm | markun: the only problem is that when I have tried to get people to test patches on IRC in the past, noone is interested! |
| 14:07:11 | Mmmm | the only way to get a response (for testing) is in the forums |
| 14:07:22 | Mmmm | or has been for me anyway... |
| 14:07:24 | * | dionoea suggests writing doom patches to get people interested |
| 14:07:32 | markun | Mmmm: there was some talk about using the dev ml more |
| 14:07:38 | Mmmm | heh heh.. yeah, that'd do it! |
| 14:07:41 | Llorean | The dev-ml needs to be used more a lot, yeah. |
| 14:07:56 | Bagder | well, I believe amiconn is one of those who don't use it enough... |
| 14:08:03 | markun | Mmmm: anyway, just committing is not a nice way to make people pay attention to your work |
| 14:08:08 | JdGordon | Mmmm: i guarentee if you said it was a 3k delta we would have given you more attention :p |
| 14:08:18 | Mmmm | :D |
| 14:08:25 | Llorean | markun: In his defense, it had been pretty widely used, in theory, by people in the forums. |
| 14:08:49 | Mmmm | lots tested it and i improved it from their comments! |
| 14:08:54 | Mmmm | just not devs! |
| 14:09:11 | Llorean | Because devs don't read the forums (and aren't really expected to :)) |
| 14:09:12 | markun | .. who are the evil rulers in the end :) |
| 14:09:22 | JdGordon | PaulJam: nice cd btw... |
| 14:09:37 | JdGordon | those icons are screwed tho :D im not getting that |
| 14:09:46 | Llorean | PaulJam: By chance did you keep track of which icon numbers go to what, I notice that you used numbers papers initially. |
| 14:09:59 | markun | sometimes I'm anoyed by people thinking in devs and non-devs, but maybe it makes things a lot easier |
| 14:10:23 | Llorean | JdGordon: It happens in the H300 sim, but not in the menus |
| 14:10:44 | Mmmm | the problem is is that not many devs are really interested in recording features and so arent really interested in testing patches (Petur is a very busy man :)) |
| 14:10:52 | Llorean | markun: Well "devs" are traditionally the people who care about "doing it right" while non-devs are the people who care about "it works for me" :) |
| 14:12:11 | Mmmm | I care about doing it right......it's just that I did it wrong! |
| 14:12:21 | pixelma | Mmmm: I would have tested on my Ondio if asked here or in the dev-ml (I've seen that thread in the forum too if you do remember but didn't know about commit plans) |
| 14:12:35 | Llorean | Mmmm: I didn't say you did it wrong |
| 14:12:41 | Mmmm | :) |
| 14:12:41 | PaulJam | Llorean: the list can be found in apps/gui/icon.h |
| 14:12:58 | Llorean | Mmmm: I meant that your testers mostly cared that it worked for them, rather than how it was done in the code. |
| 14:13:12 | Llorean | PaulJam: Yeah, I just discovered that. Why the #s then? |
| 14:13:27 | amiconn | Mmmm: There were multiple problems, like not being able to set anything but the day value on Ondio |
| 14:13:30 | markun | ffmpeg is having some problems right now with different opinions on what should be committed (and what not) |
| 14:13:39 | Mmmm | Pixelma: yeah, I remember now...I'll at least attempt to ask for a few days in the future just in case there is someone like yourself about :) |
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| 14:14:26 | Mmmm | amiconn: really? that's strange...I tested the recorder, iaudio, irivers and ipods... |
| 14:14:26 | PaulJam | Llorean: i used the numbers, and lader saw where i could find the list. |
| 14:14:32 | Llorean | PaulJam: Ah, okay. |
| 14:14:33 | amiconn | To rephrase, I am not against a recording timer at all, just this thing had multiple problems which aren't easily fixable and it was huge for what it does |
| 14:14:34 | Mmmm | must be a keymap thing! |
| 14:15:04 | dionoea | markun: "problems" is kind of an understatement :) Baptiste even considered forking the project |
| 14:15:06 | Llorean | JdGordon: Is the last themable icon a placeholder or is it actually displayed somewhere? |
| 14:15:10 | Mmmm | yeah, I was surprised at the size.... Twas a lot bigger than I thought |
| 14:15:17 | JdGordon | Llorean: placeholder |
| 14:15:22 | Llorean | JdGordon: Okay, just making sure. |
| 14:15:35 | markun | dionoea: you never know how serious people really are |
| 14:15:47 | dionoea | yeah... |
| 14:16:06 | amiconn | Mmmm: Press PLAY to accept... but there is no separate PLAY on Ondio |
| 14:16:15 | * | JdGordon isnt getting the icon wierdness PaulJam is getting |
| 14:16:16 | * | markun is wondering about amiconn's recurring plans on leaving rockbox for example.. |
| 14:16:46 | amiconn | On Ondio we need to use Mode to accept in such a screen, if we need left/right for navigation |
| 14:16:53 | Llorean | JdGordon: Did you use his iconset, in an h300 sim, and browse to where you can see an actual music file? |
| 14:17:03 | JdGordon | yes yes yes |
| 14:17:06 | Llorean | Weird |
| 14:17:09 | Llorean | It happens for me just fine. |
| 14:17:12 | Mmmm | amiconn: I admit, I missed out the Ondio - sorry, bit of an oversight there...anyway, to slim it down will need a completely different approach I think |
| 14:17:42 | markun | Mmmm: what was the reason it became so big? |
| 14:17:47 | JdGordon | Llorean: you getting it also? PaulJam, do an svn up... i think you may have missed one |
| 14:18:21 | Llorean | JdGordon: Yeah, I'm definitely getting it with the most recent revision. |
| 14:18:27 | Mmmm | markun: god knows... the set_multi_int function was the biggest I think |
| 14:18:51 | Llorean | All I did was compile an h300s, copy over his icons, launch the sim, load the icons, realize I had no files, close the sim, copy over some songs to the root of the sim, run the sim again, browse to the root, and see the weird icons. |
| 14:19:23 | amiconn | There were other problems with that multi-int screen... like large parts being off screen for users with a large font and small display (also hits e.g. on the iriver remotes), or off screen at all (player) |
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| 14:20:13 | amiconn | The latter isn't such a big problem as it currently has no use for such screen, and if it will, then it can get its own minimal implementation |
| 14:20:36 | Mmmm | amiconn: I suppose a solution to that would be to use sysfont...as long as there arent massed of integers |
| 14:20:47 | amiconn | Then the non-working proportional fonts... I almost exclusively use proportional fonts as they are much nicer to look at |
| 14:20:47 | Mmmm | masses |
| 14:21:04 | amiconn | That's no solution |
| 14:21:20 | Mmmm | Yes..that is a problem not so easy to fix....I had completely overlooked that as I have never even used one |
| 14:21:25 | amiconn | We need to make all screens user font aware instead of introducing more fixed-font dependencies |
| 14:21:36 | Mmmm | ok |
| 14:21:59 | Mmmm | so some sort of line wrap |
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| 14:25:10 | Mmmm | I think a screen for this would be necessary as having such a large range of times would mean some hefty scrolling without splitting into days/hrs/mins |
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| 14:27:01 | JdGordon | PaulJam: Llorean: all fixed |
| 14:27:17 | PaulJam | nice, thanks |
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| 14:31:07 | JdGordon | ok, can anyone who doesnt mind playing in the wiki make CustonIcons nice for themers please? |
| 14:31:11 | * | JdGordon going to watch tv |
| 14:33:32 | PaulJam | hmm, for me the icons are still broken in the sim JdGordon |
| 14:33:41 | JdGordon | no they arnt! |
| 14:33:44 | JdGordon | your imagning it |
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| 14:34:16 | JdGordon | im using the .cfg from the zip (and the bmps and .icons) and it works fine |
| 14:34:19 | JdGordon | svn up |
| 14:34:56 | c0utta | do we have any original ajbr owners online? |
| 14:35:08 | Bagder | "original" ? |
| 14:35:19 | Bagder | as in v1 you mean? |
| 14:35:41 | c0utta | Bagder: v1 - correct. |
| 14:35:45 | JdGordon | barrywardell_: you around? |
| 14:35:58 | JdGordon | or dan_a |
| 14:36:01 | Bagder | I own a recorder v1, haven't used it in a long while though |
| 14:36:01 | PaulJam | i did a svn up before compiling (it updated icon.c and filetypes.c) |
| 14:36:04 | * | Mmmm has to go and get on with earning a crust......bye... |
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| 14:36:33 | JdGordon | PaulJam: are you trying to load it with a remote viewers? |
| 14:36:34 | c0utta | Bagder: do you remember how to reset the config block on startup? |
| 14:36:51 | Bagder | no, I don't think I've ever done that... |
| 14:37:47 | c0utta | i just changed the setting to show MBR on startup and now I get I04:IllInstr |
| 14:37:55 | PaulJam | JdGordon: no, there is no remote viewers icons specified in the config (if that's what you meant) |
| 14:38:10 | JdGordon | that is :) ok then we have the same setup going |
| 14:38:21 | JdGordon | still the same as the dump from before? |
| 14:38:32 | PaulJam | yes |
| 14:38:54 | JdGordon | make clean && make ? |
| 14:39:13 | PaulJam | no make clean, i'll try that |
| 14:41:13 | elinenbe_ | JdGordon: nice work on the patch... I like it. a lot. |
| 14:41:27 | JdGordon | :) |
| 14:41:47 | PaulJam | JdGordon: have you tried if you can reproduce if you reset settings and restart the sim before loading the icons? |
| 14:41:52 | elinenbe_ | JdGordon: Now all we need is animated bmps for icons :-) |
| 14:43:11 | JdGordon | PaulJam: just did that and works ok |
| 14:43:23 | JdGordon | elinenbe_: animaed gifs .. :) |
| 14:44:05 | PaulJam | JdGordon: make clean didn't help |
| 14:44:56 | JdGordon | bugger |
| 14:45:03 | elinenbe_ | JdGordon: well, yes... animated gifs would be nice, but bmps are already supported by rockbox, and I figured we could do different state bmps like we have in the WPS screens... animated gifs may add unnecessary overhead |
| 14:45:11 | pixelma | animated gifs to get it as nice as flashed html sites? ... ... |
| 14:45:58 | moos | JdGordon: time to update:http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges , I didn't made it myself cause better to let's the author |
| 14:46:17 | moos | cool enhancement |
| 14:46:25 | JdGordon | bah :p |
| 14:47:15 | PaulJam | JdGordon: wich filetypes do you have, for me only the first 6 icons of the viewers icon are broken, the other work. |
| 14:48:26 | JdGordon | txt works fine |
| 14:48:46 | JdGordon | thats in the top 6.. |
| 14:50:31 | * | JdGordon hopes that was the last commit for icons tonight |
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| 14:52:26 | elinenbe_ | JdGordon: where do you live? |
| 14:52:38 | JdGordon | Bagder: I tihnk i asked you before, but cant remember the answer... do you have any ideas where to start playing to try to read the sd card on the sansa? |
| 14:52:42 | JdGordon | elinenbe_: australia |
| 14:52:57 | Bagder | JdGordon: only the sd document mrh wrote |
| 14:53:30 | JdGordon | any chance you can give him a buzz and see if he can come up wit some more magic? |
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| 14:54:38 | elinenbe_ | JdGordon: I don't know if you follow cycling, but Stuart O'Grady won Paris-Roubaix yesterday |
| 14:54:52 | JdGordon | who? |
| 14:55:53 | elinenbe_ | eh... he's an Aussie cyclist. |
| 14:56:22 | elinenbe_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_O%27Grady |
| 14:56:27 | amiconn | c0utta: With a half-recent recorder build you won't need a special config block reset. |
| 14:56:31 | elinenbe_ | if you don't follow the sport, you probably haven't heard of him. |
| 14:56:47 | amiconn | We switched to file-based config quite a while ago |
| 14:57:29 | elinenbe_ | amiconn: what are you currently working on? You usually have something exciting in the plans... |
| 14:58:49 | c0utta | amiconn: i'm using the latest build and i still get the i04:illinstr |
| 14:59:03 | pearldiver | 2007-03-16: Add customizable icons |
| 14:59:06 | pearldiver | the date? |
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| 15:00:16 | moos | fixed |
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| 15:00:55 | JdGordon | isnt it march? |
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| 15:01:26 | Bagder | maybe that's a time zone thing :-P |
| 15:01:34 | moos | haha :D |
| 15:04:13 | amiconn | c0utta: Oh, then it happens while/after loading the config |
| 15:04:49 | amiconn | Just connect usb, and delete /.rockbox/config.cfg |
| 15:05:15 | amiconn | Ideally copy it before for analysis |
| 15:05:33 | c0utta | amiconn: i thought it read the config from the block before config.cfg |
| 15:08:09 | c0utta | removing config.cfg made no difference |
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| 15:10:39 | pearldiver | JdGordon i think aliask's and eli's icons could be moved to wiki? |
| 15:11:18 | JdGordon | well.. yes and no... i cant remeber which... but at least one was wrong |
| 15:11:26 | JdGordon | it had the viewers bmp starting at the wrong place |
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| 15:11:41 | linuxstb_ | pearldiver: Maybe the authors (i.e. copyright holders) of the icons should add them to the wiki... |
| 15:17:42 | amiconn | c0utta: The config block is no longer used with a current build. |
| 15:19:56 | c0utta | amiconn: ah, i am way behind the times. so removing config.cfg should have cleared my settings? |
| 15:20:29 | PaulJam | JdGordon: don't know if this helps, but if i load my viewers icons for the remote too, then the icons show up right on the main screen (but on the remote they are broken (as expexted)) |
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| 15:39:07 | crop | JdGordon: have you seen my msgs from today, 11:47 (irc log time)? |
| 15:40:02 | * | crop suggests to introduce the new time zone: ILT (for irc log time) |
| 15:40:46 | JdGordon | crop: no |
| 15:40:49 | * | JdGordon checks log |
| 15:41:40 | JdGordon | ah yes, i had seen them |
| 15:42:24 | crop | Are they correct/sensible? |
| 15:43:52 | JdGordon | checking.. |
| 15:44:48 | JdGordon | yeah, NOICON only needs to be defined oncce... and its definatly meant to me bmp |
| 15:46:51 | JdGordon | anyone know how to use the sansa emulator? |
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| 15:49:19 | spiorf | can custom icons be included in themes now? |
| 15:50:57 | JdGordon | yes |
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| 15:52:41 | crop | JdGordon: and one more question: why isn't icon_file and viewers_icon_file #ifdef'd in settings.h? |
| 15:53:18 | JdGordon | icon_file? |
| 15:53:31 | crop | JdGordon: and in setting_list they are nested #ifdef'd |
| 15:53:33 | PaulJam | JdGordon: maybe it would be a good idea to include the default main icons in the zip too, and a configfile that loads the default icons. or mybe make it like with the wps, where you have a dummy file that loads the default. |
| 15:54:20 | crop | JdGordon: yes, settings.h:711 |
| 15:55:09 | JdGordon | ah, for lcd_bitmap... good point |
| 15:55:23 | JdGordon | PaulJam: default main icons? they are built in... |
| 15:55:48 | crop | JdGordon: and settings_list.c:1165. The nested #ifdef's are wrong IMHO |
| 15:56:10 | crop | JdGordon: I mean they should be independent |
| 15:56:10 | JdGordon | your mean |
| 15:57:01 | crop | JdGordon: I mean :-) |
| 15:57:06 | PaulJam | JdGordon: yes, but there is afaik no way to revert to the default icons without clearing the settings or editing the config.cfg . |
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| 15:59:36 | JdGordon | PaulJam: your right that you cant actually go back to the default except by clearnig settings.. |
| 15:59:48 | JdGordon | would setting iconset: - be good enough? |
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| 16:02:56 | crop | Bagder: when may the copyright statement in a file be changed? I.e. you have a copyrighted file and edit it massively. Can you then change the CR statement? |
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| 16:07:17 | JdGordon | PaulJam: reset_icons.cfg ? |
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| 16:11:41 | JdGordon | PaulJam: last chance... |
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| 16:13:08 | JdGordon | PaulJam: ! i saw the bug you were complaining of! |
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| 16:13:18 | amiconn | JdGordon: For wps there's the "magic" name rockbox_default.wps |
| 16:13:37 | JdGordon | right, but we dont use a seperate file for icon loading... |
| 16:13:41 | amiconn | Loading that doesn't actualy load it, but revert to the builtin default |
| 16:13:41 | | Part ctaf |
| 16:13:48 | JdGordon | rockbox_default_icons or reset_icons.cfg ? |
| 16:14:03 | amiconn | hmm... |
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| 16:19:42 | AceNik | id like to ask is the scrolling on h10 good or addig the smooth scroll path makes a difference |
| 16:19:42 | AceNik | patch |
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| 16:22:27 | * | JdGordon doesnt like that the filetype icons are handled in 3 different modules/files |
| 16:22:35 | JdGordon | tree.c gui/icon.c and filetypes.c |
| 16:23:44 | pondlife | JdGordon: Can they be all moved to filetypes.c some how? |
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| 16:24:35 | JdGordon | not really :( |
| 16:26:28 | AceNik | uys what if the author of a theme does not reply to the permission to modify his theme, can i then just modify it & upload it |
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| 16:28:54 | JdGordon | this isnt backwards is it? icon_buffer[IMG_BUFSIZE][NB_SCREENS] |
| 16:29:05 | * | JdGordon always gets confsed with 2d arrays |
| 16:29:33 | pondlife | Pah, only 2D! |
| 16:29:37 | pondlife | :) |
| 16:29:42 | amiconn | It is backwards... |
| 16:30:20 | JdGordon | that would explain the damn bug then |
| 16:30:40 | * | JdGordon embarresed |
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| 16:33:41 | JdGordon | PaulJam_: fixed! |
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| 16:34:40 | * | JdGordon gets his #1 commiter spot back on http://cia.vc/stats/project/rockbox :D |
| 16:34:58 | JdGordon | just incase you all thought all these "mistakes" were me being stupid :p |
| 16:35:12 | pondlife | lol |
| 16:35:26 | pondlife | The thought never crossed my mind |
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| 16:37:26 | * | JdGordon slaps aliask around with the .cfg file he forgot to upload! |
| 16:37:52 | JdGordon | aliask: and just to be difficult.. you need to replace the 'm's with '*' in the icons file |
| 16:39:18 | aliask | Yesss massterrr |
| 16:39:32 | aliask | And I was making the screenshot at the time :) |
| 16:39:48 | AceNik | im syncing th new volume limiter patch , vlimit :http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6555 can someone please sync this to the svn , its really greart & works perfect |
| 16:40:51 | PaulJam__ | JdGordon: it is fixed, thank you. |
| 16:41:45 | AceNik | can anyone pelase add this patch |
| 16:41:56 | PaulJam__ | ..but something seems to be still wrong, the folders have the wrong icon now. |
| 16:43:32 | JdGordon | no they dont! |
| 16:44:03 | JdGordon | hmm... ok, so they do :p |
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| 16:44:15 | * | JdGordon should stop coding for tonight |
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| 16:44:47 | AceNik | JdGordon so that was ur last change for today rite |
| 16:45:09 | JdGordon | no, that was my first for today... |
| 16:45:19 | JdGordon | [00:45:09] here :D |
| 16:45:48 | AceNik | JdGordon: well i was thinkin of compiling a build for myself now , any major chanes that you plan to make sir |
| 16:46:11 | aliask | JdGordon: What size icons did you want for sansa/h300? |
| 16:46:30 | pondlife | 16x16 look good on H300 |
| 16:46:36 | JdGordon | 16x16 looks good on them, but i dont have a decent wps for that size font :p |
| 16:47:39 | crop | JdGordon: I'm happy now :-) |
| 16:47:46 | JdGordon | sweet :) |
| 16:47:48 | aliask | So should I bother making another icon set? |
| 16:48:33 | JdGordon | na |
| 16:48:50 | aliask | Sweet. |
| 16:50:58 | amiconn | JdGordon: Looks like the crash on archos c0utta is experiencing *might* be related to the icon stuff... |
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| 16:51:27 | JdGordon | ho hum :( whats the problem? |
| 16:51:49 | amiconn | IllInstr at 00000000 i.e. NULL pointer access somewhere |
| 16:52:05 | pondlife | JdGordon: 8th time's the charm ;p |
| 16:52:35 | aliask | Hehe |
| 16:52:59 | JdGordon | :'( |
| 16:53:01 | amiconn | Latest daily is fine, current build crashes afaiu |
| 16:53:13 | pondlife | Sorry Jd, couldn't resist a cheap gag |
| 16:53:20 | JdGordon | thats ok.... |
| 16:53:20 | aliask | AceNik: Glad you like my patch :) |
| 16:53:35 | pondlife | It'll be worth it in the end, y'know. |
| 16:53:51 | JdGordon | I was going to put a nice long complaint in that commit... but thouht better not |
| 16:53:53 | * | pixelma going to test an Ondio svn build... |
| 16:54:47 | JdGordon | amiconn: does the ondio have display->bitmap_part ? |
| 16:54:59 | JdGordon | thats the only place where NULL could be set to a fnction... |
| 16:56:02 | JdGordon | hmm... :'( doesnt look like it... |
| 16:56:37 | amiconn | Oh, then that's it |
| 16:56:53 | amiconn | But it could and should have it; looks like an oversight in screen_access.c |
| 16:57:57 | JdGordon | yay.. so someone else can fix it so i dont look any worse than i already do :p |
| 16:58:30 | pixelma | should I bother waiting for the end of the build round (for warnings/errors) or is it worth to test at all? |
| 16:58:30 | JdGordon | yep, thats the bug |
| 16:58:44 | JdGordon | pixelma: dont bother at all.... |
| 16:58:56 | JdGordon | amiconn: can you fix it in screen_access,.c? |
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| 17:00:02 | amiconn | JdGordon: I'll do if nobody beats me to it, but can't do so right now |
| 17:00:56 | JdGordon | great, then im going to bed |
| 17:00:57 | JdGordon | cyas |
| 17:01:00 | pondlife | night |
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| 17:26:43 | spiorf | where i have to define directories icons? http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/2967/dump070416171425vk8.png |
| 17:27:10 | spiorf | all other icons are ok |
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| 17:34:02 | spiorf | lol 'ive just seen the commit "make the folder icons play nice....." |
| 17:34:59 | AceNik | can anyone help me add this line in the viewers config file cause i think the whole format has changed sok,rocks/sokoban, 00 48 7E 7E 48 00 |
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| 17:36:10 | AceNik | sok,rocks/sokoban, 00 48 7E 7E 48 00 will adding it like this work or do i need to change something |
| 17:36:58 | PaulJam | AceNik: i think you have to replace the " 00 48 7E 7E 48 00" by the iconnumber |
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| 17:37:24 | AceNik | where do i find the icon number for sokoban now |
| 17:39:04 | PaulJam | you propably have to add the icon to the viewers.bmp and viewers_remote.bmp. the number is the position of the icon in this file starting with 0 |
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| 17:40:33 | AceNik | PaulJam: so will it work if i replace it with the same icon as suoku , after all sudoku is also a pluin rite |
| 17:40:37 | AceNik | plugin |
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| 17:41:16 | PaulJam_ | should work |
| 17:41:33 | AceNik | PaulJam: k shall try it now |
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| 17:54:20 | RFA | hello i have some problems with Rockbox ipodpatcher installation |
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| 17:56:49 | bluebrother | RFA: care to tell some details? |
| 17:57:12 | RFA | ipodpatcher cant find my ipod |
| 17:59:03 | bluebrother | what OS are you using? Windows? |
| 17:59:30 | RFA | debian |
| 17:59:42 | bluebrother | I assume you are root? |
| 17:59:55 | RFA | yes |
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| 18:00:24 | bluebrother | is the ipod mounted? |
| 18:00:32 | bluebrother | or, can you access the ipod otherwise? |
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| 18:01:55 | RFA | i yes i can |
| 18:03:21 | linuxstb_ | RFA: Have you done anything to your ipod? e.g. repartitioned it? |
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| 18:03:30 | RFA | yes |
| 18:03:31 | dionoea | does fdisk -l /dev/sda (or sdb or whatever show the 2 partitions?) |
| 18:03:31 | bluebrother | hmm. Do you know the device of your ipod? |
| 18:04:16 | RFA | yes it fdisk show me |
| 18:04:30 | linuxstb | RFA: That's likely to be the problem. One of the checks ipodpatcher does (it errs on the side of caution) is to check for magic strings in original ipod partition tables. If you've repartitioned, you may have removed that magic. |
| 18:05:19 | RFA | this is the message |
| 18:05:19 | RFA | debian:/home# ./ipodpatcher |
| 18:05:19 | RFA | ipodpatcher v0.9 with v1.0 bootloaders - (C) Dave Chapman 2006-2007 |
| 18:05:19 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK RFA |
| 18:05:19 | RFA | This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO |
| 18:05:19 | RFA | warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. |
| 18:05:20 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 18:05:20 | RFA | [INFO] Scanning disk devices... |
| 18:05:22 | RFA | [ERR] No ipods found, aborting |
| 18:05:24 | RFA | [ERR] Please connect your ipod and ensure it is in disk mode |
| 18:05:26 | RFA | [ERR] Please refer to the Rockbox manual if you continue to have problems. |
| 18:05:28 | RFA | Press ENTER to exit ipodpatcher : |
| 18:05:51 | linuxstb | RFA: There was no need for that... |
| 18:06:13 | RFA | sorry linuxstb |
| 18:06:20 | dionoea | can't you force the device command line ? |
| 18:06:44 | linuxstb | No. |
| 18:06:54 | RFA | can you explain |
| 18:06:58 | linuxstb | You can specify a device, but it still does the same checks. |
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| 18:07:42 | bluebrother | if you have the partition marked empty you can simply dd the apple update image to that partition |
| 18:07:43 | linuxstb | RFA: I'll build you an ipodpatcher without that check. Are you on 32-bit Linux? |
| 18:07:50 | RFA | yes |
| 18:08:03 | RFA | great |
| 18:08:06 | linuxstb | bluebrother: That's not the issue - it's magic in the paritition table itself (i.e. the MBR - sector 0). |
| 18:08:33 | linuxstb | I'm assuming of course that the ipod is currently working - i.e. the Apple firmware boots? |
| 18:09:06 | bluebrother | oh, there is some more magic too? |
| 18:09:09 | RFA | no sorry its broken by the last try on saturday |
| 18:09:10 | bluebrother | nice to know ;-) |
| 18:09:20 | linuxstb | bluebrother: ipods have magic everywhere.... |
| 18:09:36 | bluebrother | hehe |
| 18:09:43 | linuxstb | RFA: In which case ignore what I've said. You need to make your ipod boot the Apple firmware first - ipodpatcher requires a working ipod. |
| 18:10:28 | RFA | ok and this only works on windows or mac right |
| 18:10:32 | linuxstb | There are some (very concise) instructions here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore |
| 18:10:52 | linuxstb | The page I linked you to is for Linux. On windows and Mac, just run itunes. |
| 18:11:29 | ColdSphinX^ | http://www.digitimes.com/systems/a20070403PD200.html |
| 18:12:22 | linuxstb | ColdSphinX^: I'm being asked to register... |
| 18:12:22 | RFA | ok i try |
| 18:12:25 | RFA | thanks |
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| 18:13:18 | ColdSphinX^ | ok, sorry |
| 18:14:07 | ColdSphinX^ | it's just a news about the next ipod gen |
| 18:14:21 | bluebrother | hmm. No greyscale icons yet :( |
| 18:14:55 | linuxstb | ColdSphinX^: news or rumour? There's been talk of new ipods for over a year... |
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| 18:15:26 | ColdSphinX^ | will see |
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| 18:16:44 | bluebrother | ColdSphinX^: Sorry, the page you are trying to open is available only for our paid subscribers. |
| 18:19:45 | ColdSphinX^ | oh, hmm, I could read it. hmm, perhaps an write error by me but I saw that this channe lisn't the right place. |
| 18:20:45 | RFA | linuxstd i run the firmware patch but its stops with hieroglyphs |
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| 18:23:32 | linuxstb | RFA: What do you mean by "run the firmware patch" ? What commands did you type? |
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| 18:25:04 | RFA | dd if=iPod_14.1.3.1.ipsw of=/dev/sdb1 |
| 18:25:22 | linuxstb | You need to do "unzip iPod_14.1.3.1.ipsw" first |
| 18:25:42 | linuxstb | That will give you a Firmware-X.Y.Z (I don't know the numbers) file. You then dd that Firmware-X.Y.Z file to /dev/sdb1 |
| 18:25:49 | RFA | ok |
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| 18:27:47 | RFA | ipod reboot works |
| 18:28:07 | linuxstb | So the Apple firmware is working again? |
| 18:28:12 | RFA | yes |
| 18:28:28 | linuxstb | Now see if ipodpatcher recognises it. You may still get the same problem as before... |
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| 18:29:07 | RFA | now it runs |
| 18:29:27 | RFA | thanks |
| 18:29:32 | linuxstb | You're welcome. |
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| 18:50:23 | SliMM | yey, colour icons :) |
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| 18:51:02 | SliMM | where can i download a build with these icons? |
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| 18:51:44 | Juice^ | is there a screenshot? |
| 18:52:34 | ColdSphinX^ | is comitted to the official builds or what do you mean? |
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| 18:53:49 | Juice^ | i just saw a screenshot. sweet... are they commited to the official builds? |
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| 18:53:59 | ColdSphinX^ | yes |
| 18:54:36 | Juice^ | kool |
| 18:54:42 | Juice^ | will update my sansa now :) |
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| 18:55:06 | ColdSphinX^ | there http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7013 |
| 18:55:06 | ColdSphinX^ | and there http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IconSets |
| 18:55:06 | ColdSphinX^ | you can find some sets |
| 18:55:25 | SliMM | some as in one :) |
| 18:55:41 | SliMM | where is the bleeding edge build? |
| 18:55:43 | bushblows | I have the .rockbox folder in the root directory of my ipod and rockbox @ (hd0,1) /.rockbox/rockbox.ipod in the ipodloader.conf and when I select rockbox it fails |
| 18:55:48 | bushblows | any ideas why? |
| 18:56:02 | SliMM | because the daily build doesn't include icons i think |
| 18:56:09 | AceNik | guys a problem with the icons , on a black backdrop they not visible , secondly they use to take the color of the foreground color earlier now they dont , probbly because they loaded from a .rmp now , but there has to be a fix for this |
| 18:56:42 | linuxstb | bushblows: Obvious question - do you have a rockbox.ipod file inside the .rockbox folder on your ipod? |
| 18:57:03 | ColdSphinX^ | at the tracker there is an remake of the current default icons in white color and a colorised set in the defaultsize by me |
| 18:57:06 | SliMM | linuxstb: /.rockbox/rockbox.ipod |
| 18:57:08 | ColdSphinX^ | AceNik |
| 18:57:14 | bushblows | ya looking at it now |
| 18:57:27 | linuxstb | SliMM: ? |
| 18:57:45 | SliMM | he said he has the rockbox.ipod in the .rockbox folder :) |
| 18:57:48 | AceNik | ColdSphinX^: k will check it out , i think the colorised set is remarkable |
| 18:58:06 | linuxstb | SliMM: No he didn't. |
| 18:58:24 | SliMM | quote: "I have the .rockbox folder in the root directory of my ipod and rockbox @ (hd0,1) /.rockbox/rockbox.ipod in the ipodloader.conf and when I select rockbox it fails" |
| 18:58:45 | bushblows | ya SliMM i am sorry but I did leave that out of my comment |
| 18:59:23 | SliMM | bushblows: what comment? :-s |
| 18:59:26 | ColdSphinX^ | AceNik i know but i hadn't had much ideas for the small display of my iax5 |
| 18:59:45 | bushblows | my first comment, the comment you quoted, it isnt important though, nm |
| 18:59:53 | SliMM | ok.. |
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| 19:00:08 | SliMM | linuxstb: do i use the current build for iconsets? |
| 19:00:19 | AceNik | ColdSphinX^:will be abck in a few minutes , want to know how to use tango , c ya in 10mins |
| 19:00:27 | linuxstb | SliMM: I guess so. I don't understand the new icons though. |
| 19:01:05 | Juice^ | My sansa wont load the new theme with icons.. nothing happends when i load the theme |
| 19:01:36 | markun | Juice^: which new theme? |
| 19:02:06 | Juice^ | markun: not new.. but they named a theme "rockbox_default_icons" |
| 19:02:16 | Juice^ | and one "rockbox_default" |
| 19:03:13 | PaulJam | it just loads the defailt balck icons, as the name implies |
| 19:03:52 | Juice^ | yeah .. |
| 19:03:53 | PaulJam | you need to download or ceate additional iconsets yourself |
| 19:03:58 | Juice^ | ok ok |
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| 19:22:54 | AceNik | uys there is a desperate need to have the ability to set different menu font , n wps font |
| 19:23:14 | nls | there is? |
| 19:23:22 | AceNik | since custom icons are based on particular fonts , & certain wps's will not support the same font |
| 19:24:59 | AceNik | nls: ? |
| 19:25:05 | SliMM | custom icons aren't based on particular fonts |
| 19:25:26 | nls | AceNik: My point was that the need can hardly be "desperate" |
| 19:25:33 | AceNik | SliMM: tango font used with jack font |
| 19:25:52 | AceNik | nls: ok but i just like the new feature so |
| 19:26:01 | SliMM | tango icons work great with arial too |
| 19:26:32 | nls | and I think the idea is for wps and icons to be part of a theme that will work nicely with the same font in menuaes and wps |
| 19:26:52 | AceNik | ok |
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| 19:39:49 | AceNik | blubrother you there |
| 19:40:32 | Hammer89 | I'm having a hard time figuring out what to do with the .cfg file on this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IconSets. Do I just add the lines of text to an existing theme .cfg file? |
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| 19:41:12 | AceNik | Hammer89:ya the.icon, .viewer text |
| 19:41:15 | bluebrother | you can also run that file separately |
| 19:41:21 | Hammer89 | hmmm |
| 19:41:26 | bluebrother | it only sets the values that are present in the files |
| 19:41:45 | AceNik | bluebrother: what do you mean by whitespace changes |
| 19:41:46 | bluebrother | but these lines can also be present in any other configuration file, most likely a theme file |
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| 19:42:09 | Hammer89 | I moved the .bmp and .icons file to the folder .rockbox/icons... and ran that .cfg file... but the icons still aren't appearing |
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| 19:42:39 | AceNik | Hammer89: no need for .icons file to be added , only add the .bmp's |
| 19:42:50 | Hammer89 | oh... |
| 19:42:56 | AceNik | Hammer89: add the .icon, .viewers code to the .cfg file |
| 19:43:04 | Hammer89 | oh... okay |
| 19:43:43 | PaulJam | AceNik: the .icons file is needed to assign the icons to filetypes |
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| 19:44:20 | AceNik | ] PaulJam: where do u place the file ? , i tried it my way , everythin works fine |
| 19:45:00 | PaulJam | the .icons file goes to the same folder like the .bmp files |
| 19:45:16 | Hammer89 | that's what I did... but it didn't work |
| 19:45:28 | AceNik | oh sorry yes i placed bboth the files in that folder |
| 19:45:45 | AceNik | Hammer89: add .icons & .bmp to the foldere sorry |
| 19:45:52 | Hammer89 | okay... |
| 19:45:58 | AceNik | Hammer89: its just that both showed pictures so i thought |
| 19:46:04 | Hammer89 | and what about the .cfg file? |
| 19:46:50 | AceNik | Hammer89: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/IconSets/config.cfg here c how to add the last 2 lines in a .cfg file |
| 19:47:08 | Hammer89 | I've done that... |
| 19:47:25 | pixelma | hmm... trying to figure the customisable icons out - could someone tell me what the cursor icon is used for (usually I use the line selector)? |
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| 19:55:57 | SliMM | pixelma: it is used for those that don't use the line selector :) |
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| 19:57:07 | pixelma | thanks... so with my line selector setting it won't be used at all? |
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| 20:00:43 | PaulJam | is anyone else having the problem, that the icon for fm-presets is wrong when using custon icons? |
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| 20:15:19 | pondlife | PaulJam: Looks like an EQ preset icon here. |
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| 20:20:12 | PaulJam | for me it shows the icon_questionmark |
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| 20:25:00 | Lars_G | damn rockbox |
| 20:25:22 | Lars_G | it's so good I'm thinking on changing my iPod's setup mode in amarok from ipod to generic player so I work with rockbox's file schema |
| 20:25:23 | Lars_G | lol |
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| 20:35:40 | Lear | apps/plugins/bitmaps/viewer_defaults/viewers.6x8x2.bmp seems to be missing. Or is it just me (and the Web interface)? :) |
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| 20:36:21 | Lars_G | Hey all |
| 20:36:48 | Lars_G | question, are there any docs in wiki about the last.fm log AND database statistics log? or none and I should read the source? |
| 20:37:02 | Lars_G | I want to code an amarok plugin to integrate these logs into amarok's statistics |
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| 20:42:08 | nls | Lear: I have it in my checkout... |
| 20:42:23 | Lear | That's weird... |
| 20:42:39 | nls | no wait, I don't ;-) |
| 20:43:21 | nls | I guess someone forgott ot svn add something |
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| 20:46:03 | pixelma | I believe there is no greyscale iconset... |
| 20:46:06 | pixelma | yet |
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| 20:54:14 | Lear | Hm, seems like I can shave ~400 bytes from gui/icon.c (on ColdFire). |
| 20:56:24 | SliMM | damn you're right |
| 20:56:33 | SliMM | the icons are font-dependent |
| 20:56:36 | SliMM | :(( |
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| 21:02:39 | spiorf | anyone knows if elisherer's theme can not be modified? |
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| 21:02:56 | spiorf | i modified it and would like to add to the icons page |
| 21:07:09 | amiconn | Lear: 400bytes? |
| 21:07:31 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 21:07:31 | * | amiconn wonders which coldfire that is, and whether the saving is display depth dependent |
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| 21:08:30 | Lear | Depends on wether there is a remote, but not otherwise, I think. And using gcc 4.0.4 with non-standard optimizations, so it is not an exact figure. :) |
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| 21:09:17 | amiconn | 404 is a strange version number... </ot> |
| 21:10:00 | PaulJam | does the playlist viewer not support unicode? |
| 21:11:03 | Lear | Should do UTF-8, but maybe not codepage stuff... |
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| 21:12:31 | amiconn | Filenames are always utf-8 internally anyway |
| 21:13:08 | amiconn | PaulJam: Are you trying this on a windows simulator? |
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| 21:13:41 | PaulJam | yes. just saw that it is the same in the filebrowser |
| 21:15:35 | amiconn | Yes, the windows sim doesn't support unicode filenames. No easy way to work around that afaik |
| 21:16:03 | PaulJam | ok, thanks for the info. |
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| 21:18:33 | kkurbjun | markun, there's a problem with usb mode on the gigabeat X's now? |
| 21:18:49 | PaulJam | does anyone know where the reverse cursor icon is used in rockbox? |
| 21:19:10 | kkurbjun | do you know someone I can work with to fix the bugs that are now occurring? |
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| 21:20:45 | kkurbjun | markun, let me know. I will be available in another 4 hours if you are still around then. |
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| 21:21:33 | cronic`da | hi |
| 21:21:38 | kkurbjun | as a note, I think it has to do with the change I made to gpg12. nothing else should have changed the functionality |
| 21:21:39 | cronic`da | i need german support... |
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| 21:24:57 | cronic`da | hmm anyone here? |
| 21:25:03 | xwaydoublecode12 | me here |
| 21:25:04 | BiptoN | linuxstb: have you looked at my post about recording yet? I thought i would get some more info to ya in case you wanted to know more |
| 21:25:06 | xwaydoublecode12 | )) |
| 21:25:07 | cronic`da | kk, |
| 21:25:12 | BiptoN | linuxstb: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6989 |
| 21:25:14 | cronic`da | ehm... sry my english is bad :P |
| 21:25:44 | amiconn | Hmm, seems like I found the solution how to support unicode in the win32 sim |
| 21:25:46 | cronic`da | also... when i play a song from a album on my ipod 5g (video) i will see the album picture.. |
| 21:26:11 | amiconn | Can we safely assume that nobody wants to build / run the win32 sim on win 95? |
| 21:26:18 | * | amiconn guesses we can |
| 21:26:24 | cronic`da | what is the name of the album picutre? how i must rename it |
| 21:26:44 | Lear | Can probably check via ifdef, if we want to allow building for it. |
| 21:26:45 | xwaydoublecode12 | read the manual as cool people say |
| 21:27:03 | roolku | cronic`da: there are serveral options - check the wiki |
| 21:27:24 | roolku | xwaydoublecode12: it is not in the manual (not an official feature) |
| 21:27:25 | cronic`da | i always check it ;) |
| 21:27:35 | cronic`da | but i dont find the right topic... |
| 21:27:54 | xwaydoublecode12 | sorry... wiki ^) |
| 21:27:54 | petur | amiconn: as far as I'm concerned, we can also ditch win98 |
| 21:28:01 | PaulJam | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=AlbumArt |
| 21:28:18 | roolku | cronic`da: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt |
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| 21:28:39 | amiconn | petur: It's just that if we compile an unicode version, it will only run on NT based windows and winme, plus win98 if unicode support is installed |
| 21:29:16 | amiconn | What we need is just two #defines, plus some filename translation between utf-8 and ucs2 in io.c |
| 21:29:23 | petur | amiconn: I know, and for win95 there's some workaround but imho it's not worth it |
| 21:29:29 | cronic`da | also the name of the picture must be cover.bmp ? |
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| 21:30:10 | xwaydoublecode12 | i have a question.... why rb games have such poor graphics? is this because of the weak hardware of the player or nobody wants/can/have free time to improve them? |
| 21:30:23 | roolku | cronic`da: check the link you were given. as I said there are several versions |
| 21:30:30 | amiconn | Hmm, something isn't right yet |
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| 21:31:02 | pixelma | Lear: nice green line in the delta table :) |
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| 21:31:16 | Lear | Thanks. |
| 21:32:17 | cronic`da | hmm ok its not easy xD |
| 21:32:43 | xwaydoublecode12 | i have a question.... why rb games have such poor graphics? is this because of the weak hardware of the player or nobody wants/can/have free time to improve them? i can help with it, but i dont know if somebody will use my work |
| 21:32:58 | Galois | you mean like doom? |
| 21:33:08 | xwaydoublecode12 | no ^) doom rockz |
| 21:33:15 | xwaydoublecode12 | spider |
| 21:33:18 | xwaydoublecode12 | solitare |
| 21:33:27 | xwaydoublecode12 | they look boring |
| 21:33:35 | Galois | probably lack of improvement, but I think doom is the upper limit of the hardware |
| 21:33:52 | xwaydoublecode12 | XOBOX |
| 21:33:57 | pixelma | spider solitaire isn't even part of official rockbox yet |
| 21:34:04 | xwaydoublecode12 | i think it has not reach the limit yet |
| 21:34:15 | xwaydoublecode12 | HA they ARE |
| 21:34:27 | xwaydoublecode12 | they are in the daily builds |
| 21:34:40 | xwaydoublecode12 | am i wrong |
| 21:35:00 | pixelma | "plain" solitaire is part - but not spider |
| 21:36:06 | xwaydoublecode12 | so... if ill draw some kind of the concept... will it be useful? |
| 21:36:07 | amiconn | Interesting coincidence that only coldfire targets have lcd remotes - and all of them do... |
| 21:36:34 | pixelma | you could check the patch tracker and ask the author of the plugin how you could improve the graphics... |
| 21:37:16 | pixelma | (for spider solitaire I mean) |
| 21:38:19 | xwaydoublecode12 | thanks for idea ^) i am a bit slow... head |
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| 21:45:27 | SliMM | since i have an obssesion with semi-transparency, can i make alpha-blending icons? |
| 21:45:40 | SliMM | as in edit the icon.c :) |
| 21:46:50 | dionoea | won't that slow list scrolling ? |
| 21:47:44 | SliMM | it certanly will :) |
| 21:48:41 | amiconn | Do whatever you want in your plugin, but true alpha is a big no-no in the core unless someone comes up with some really clever code |
| 21:49:19 | SliMM | hey, i didn't say that i want to make smth to be included in the svn |
| 21:49:37 | amiconn | And with clever code I don't mean stuff that slows down text drawing 10 times or more. Even without alpha the text drawing isn't exactly fast on 16 bit targets |
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| 21:52:08 | SliMM | amiconn: can i post an iconset with several backgrounds, beside the magenta (transparent) one, fore better looking icons? |
| 21:52:21 | SliMM | for* |
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| 21:58:15 | SliMM | ok, i'll do that :P |
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| 22:30:33 | * | XavierGr becomes silly and builds his own tower of rockbox based on the idea of the previous Rockbox Devcon! |
| 22:31:06 | Bagder | that's not silly, that's very important research! ;-P |
| 22:31:25 | XavierGr | Bagder: picture incoming :P |
| 22:32:08 | amiconn | Hmm, io.c starts looking like a real mess, but I have at least the simulated root working with unicode on win32 :) |
| 22:32:46 | * | amiconn wonders whether _wopendir exists on linux |
| 22:33:03 | amiconn | (and likewise, _wopen, _wreaddir etc) |
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| 22:34:56 | Bagder | what's the purpose of it? provide wide characters directly instead of "encoded"? |
| 22:34:56 | XavierGr | http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/5b98558198.jpg |
| 22:35:09 | XavierGr | heh I like it! :D |
| 22:35:28 | amiconn | Yes, _wopendir & friends work on wchar_t "strings" |
| 22:35:37 | XavierGr | strange the link doesn't have the pic? |
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| 22:36:03 | amiconn | If that would be available on linux, it would save a lot of ifdefs |
| 22:36:28 | XavierGr | http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/5959/img0204zh4.jpg |
| 22:36:29 | Bagder | I don't think it is |
| 22:37:57 | XavierGr | risky tower though, the gigabeat is very close to collapse, and there are no rubber bumpers for it like the archos |
| 22:38:20 | toffe82 | XavierGr: I will sell you a new one if you break it ;) |
| 22:38:58 | XavierGr | heh :) |
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| 22:41:26 | roolku | toffe82: you wouldn't have a spare lcd display for a gigabeat, would you? |
| 22:42:17 | pixelma | XavierGr: hope you didn't install a recent svn build for that thing in the lower middle :/ |
| 22:43:20 | XavierGr | pixelma: well I don't use the ondio too much, so no it has on old build, why is the new builds broken? |
| 22:45:06 | pixelma | it's broken since JdGordon's icon commit - check today's log at around 17:00 |
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| 22:46:35 | XavierGr | well the new icons look sweet on the wiki |
| 22:46:47 | toffe82 | roolku: for a F or X ? |
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| 22:46:54 | XavierGr | so I am going to update all my other targets |
| 22:47:18 | roolku | toffe82: for an F (unless they are pincompatible) |
| 22:47:32 | toffe82 | there are not |
| 22:47:48 | roolku | pity |
| 22:48:12 | roolku | got a player with a broken display here :( |
| 22:48:36 | toffe82 | I might have a good one ( I know that I have one with a dead pixel and another one with some scratch) but I should have a good one |
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| 22:49:07 | toffe82 | you need the case also ? |
| 22:49:46 | roolku | toffe82: not really |
| 22:50:11 | roolku | toffe82: I would even take a dead pixel one |
| 22:50:53 | roolku | toffe82: maybe we should take this to pm, as it is not of general interest |
| 22:52:23 | toffe82 | yes |
| 22:54:21 | ashes | playing '-q 10' ogg's is pretty heavy on my iriver |
| 22:55:31 | SliMM | what is the username for the twiki? |
| 22:56:02 | * | preglow doesn't really see the point with menu entry icons |
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| 22:57:45 | petur | SliMM: you need to register with your real name first and then come here and ask for write access |
| 22:58:20 | SliMM | yes, i want to upload an icon set, i have already registered, but what's the username? |
| 22:58:45 | petur | no, what's *your* username |
| 22:59:35 | XavierGr | wow eli's icons are quite cool |
| 22:59:51 | SliMM | yes, what's *my* username? |
| 22:59:54 | petur | SliMM: are you StefanSaftescu ? |
| 22:59:58 | SliMM | yes |
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| 23:00:04 | petur | one sec |
| 23:00:07 | SliMM | ok |
| 23:01:08 | petur | SliMM: done |
| 23:02:05 | SliMM | what is my username now? :) |
| 23:02:12 | petur | StefanSaftescu |
| 23:02:14 | SliMM | ok |
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| 23:08:21 | amiconn | Hah! |
| 23:08:34 | amiconn | This will be macro heavy, but it works :D |
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| 23:16:56 | SliMM | so how do i edit the wiki? |
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| 23:19:45 | petur | SliMM: press the edit button? |
| 23:20:09 | SliMM | what about the iconset? |
| 23:20:30 | petur | what about it? |
| 23:22:59 | petur | SliMM: check how the current page is written and learn |
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| 23:29:47 | rift | hum |
| 23:30:00 | rift | all the patch on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=4 aren't include on the svn |
| 23:30:03 | rift | ? |
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| 23:31:33 | petur | rift: no, they aren't |
| 23:32:35 | rift | ok |
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| 23:37:39 | petur | hmmm those silk icons look nice, bit big for my h300 though |
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| 23:41:35 | rift | hum |
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| 23:41:58 | rift | when i make the svn i have the same error : http://pastebin.ca/273268 |
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| 23:42:37 | Bagder | is that a clean svn checkout? |
| 23:42:44 | rift | yes |
| 23:43:10 | petur | wrong gcc version? |
| 23:43:23 | rift | gcc 4.1.2 |
| 23:43:49 | Bagder | the path in the pastebin says 4.0.3 |
| 23:44:01 | Bagder | and 4.0.3 is what you should use |
| 23:44:04 | rift | wrong past bin |
| 23:44:12 | rift | ok |
| 23:44:37 | linuxstb | rift: Your arm-elf-gcc is 4.1.2 ? |
| 23:44:38 | Bagder | rockboxdev.sh is your friend |
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| 23:45:02 | petur | it isn't mine anymore |
| 23:45:12 | rift | 3.4.3 |
| 23:45:13 | * | linuxstb gives rockboxdev.sh a cookie |
| 23:45:41 | Bagder | petur: forgot to pat it nicely? ;-) |
| 23:45:45 | * | amiconn gets closer to a fully working unicode-enabled win32 sim |
| 23:46:25 | petur | Bagder: nah, something went wrong buidling the arm crosscompiler |
| 23:46:38 | petur | and it takes ages under cygwin :( |
| 23:46:45 | Bagder | indeed it does |
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| 23:47:52 | rift | where rockboxdev.sh install gcc ? |
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| 23:48:10 | Bagder | rift: read/edit the top comments of the script |
| 23:48:25 | Bagder | well, edit the assignments not the comments :-) |
| 23:49:04 | bluebrother | petur, use linux :P |
| 23:50:01 | petur | bluebrother: it's hard to get used to it... |
| 23:50:28 | bluebrother | I managed it, so it's definitely doable ;-) |
| 23:50:47 | bluebrother | but I agree, it's quite different. Might be a strength of linux though. |
| 23:51:18 | petur | well not for tonight, I'm off |
| 23:51:24 | | Quit petur ("Zzzzz") |
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| 23:51:40 | Lars_G | Oh yes I forgot to ask |
| 23:51:42 | * | linuxstb breaks into petur's house and steals his mouse |
| 23:51:53 | bluebrother | reminds me of this quote ... |
| 23:51:54 | Lars_G | how many teenager slaves did you guys get? |
| 23:52:09 | linuxstb | 4 |
| 23:52:14 | Lars_G | Not bad. |
| 23:52:19 | Lars_G | I hope you use them well |
| 23:52:21 | bluebrother | petur, when reading logs: Linux has been pretty secure against hackers for years now. The trouble is that until recently it was just as secure against normal users. −− Andrew Brown, The Guardian, 2007 |
| 23:52:32 | Lars_G | So far, I'm about %99.9999 satisfied with RB |
| 23:52:47 | bluebrother | what's the missing .0001%? |
| 23:53:52 | Lars_G | The minor stuff, basically battery life on the iPod (can live with it) and better support for complex and broken .m4a based podcasts (Not really needed, i am listening to most of my podcasts in the Palm with Kinoma 4 over wifi) |
| 23:55:23 | Lars_G | But in general, rockbox makes me die with glee |
| 23:55:34 | Lars_G | I would like a special plugin/program but I might make it myself someday |
| 23:59:01 | | Quit Nibbier (Remote closed the connection) |
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