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| 00:12:56 | Nico_P | are there objections about http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7033 (custom line height in the WPS) ? |
| 00:13:35 | bluebrother | I'm really wondering if that is necessary |
| 00:14:11 | bluebrother | it will mostly only solve a user problem (and I doubt it will get used much) |
| 00:14:26 | pixelma | I bet this will become superfluent once there are viewports |
| 00:14:43 | Nico_P | pixelma: I don't think so |
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| 00:15:06 | bluebrother | with viewports you could put every line in a separate viewport |
| 00:15:09 | pixelma | what would you use it for then? |
| 00:15:18 | bluebrother | which would have the desired effect |
| 00:15:28 | Nico_P | bluebrother: I see it as a good way to avoid things like http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9946.msg76230#new |
| 00:15:32 | pixelma | exactly |
| 00:15:49 | Nico_P | bluebrother: IMHO one viewport per line is overkill |
| 00:15:56 | bluebrother | IMO we should rather thing about a packaged themes format so the needed fonts come bundled |
| 00:15:58 | amiconn | Hmm, petur is gone :\ |
| 00:16:21 | bluebrother | instead of fixing a symptom |
| 00:16:28 | pixelma | what? but that tag would have to do the same (define a height for each line) |
| 00:16:42 | Nico_P | bluebrother: and it would also fix dancepuffduo |
| 00:16:51 | amiconn | Anyone wants to test the win32 sim unicode patch? |
| 00:16:52 | Nico_P | pixelma: it's one tag in the WPS |
| 00:16:53 | bluebrother | Nico_P, it might be overkill, but people will do it ;-) |
| 00:17:08 | bluebrother | dancepuffduo should get fixed properly |
| 00:17:19 | Nico_P | pixelma: it defines the height no just for one line, but for the entire WPS |
| 00:17:24 | pixelma | Nico_P: the correct fix for DancePuffDuo is a nimbus-13 |
| 00:17:32 | bluebrother | i.e. by adjusting a font to it or adjusting dancepuffduo to a different font |
| 00:17:56 | bluebrother | that task seems like fixing a symptom instead of a problem to me |
| 00:18:09 | pixelma | I started that - but it's only nimbus-12 with an extra blank line |
| 00:18:29 | pixelma | (I'm not sure if it's worth committing) |
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| 00:20:08 | Nico_P | bluebrother, pixelma: it shouldn't add a lot to the binsize... it's quite a trivial patch |
| 00:20:36 | Nico_P | and I remember ot being requested at least once in the forums |
| 00:20:37 | bluebrother | yes, but it adds complexity one way or another |
| 00:20:42 | Nico_P | bluebrother: not much |
| 00:20:51 | Nico_P | it's just one optional tag |
| 00:20:52 | bluebrother | scrolling margins has been requested much more often ... |
| 00:21:16 | Llorean | %lh helps with viewports too. |
| 00:21:26 | Nico_P | bluebrother: agreed but that's a much more complex patch, that is perfectly adressed by viewports |
| 00:21:28 | bluebrother | and adding to the bin size still adds to the bin size ... |
| 00:21:28 | Llorean | It makes the vertical alignment no longer dependent on font size. |
| 00:21:52 | bluebrother | you can do vertical alignment completely with viewports |
| 00:22:00 | Llorean | With viewports to accomplish the same thing you'd need a viewport for every line in the WPS |
| 00:22:01 | bluebrother | and I bet most theme designers will use that |
| 00:22:16 | pixelma | I'm not sure what amiconn has in mind how to handle this... |
| 00:22:48 | bluebrother | most of these fancy themes don't have much text lines either. |
| 00:22:54 | Llorean | I think a single wps tag, especially one that is a very minimal modification to the code, is preferable to 30 viewports just to accomplish the same effect. |
| 00:22:55 | bluebrother | Much more conditional images |
| 00:23:10 | Nico_P | bluebrother: if they have a simpler way of doing it, they won't use one viewport per line |
| 00:23:26 | bluebrother | I don't think so. |
| 00:23:54 | bluebrother | if you have a tag that creates a viewport and positions absolutely, they will use it because they need to use it anyway |
| 00:24:05 | bluebrother | instead of looking up another tag. |
| 00:24:25 | Llorean | bluebrother: But what if I want my WPS to have a viewport for "Artist: Album: Track" (3 lines), spaced a certain way, but don't want to care what font they use? |
| 00:24:43 | Llorean | I could do 3 viewports, or I could do one since the %lh tag exists. |
| 00:24:50 | amiconn | Anyway, here's the patch: amiconn.dyndns.org/win32unicode.diff">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/win32unicode.diff |
| 00:25:05 | bluebrother | you will still get problems with the font size |
| 00:25:17 | pixelma | Nico_P: also a minor thing %lh is already used... |
| 00:25:18 | bluebrother | if the font is too big it will crop at the bottom |
| 00:25:26 | bluebrother | regardless of any height tag. |
| 00:25:26 | pixelma | it's the virtual led tag |
| 00:25:42 | Llorean | bluebrother: Yes, but it'll be clearer the font is too big to the user, rather than looking like an alignment/rendering problem |
| 00:25:51 | Nico_P | pixelma: oops... then I might need to change that |
| 00:26:04 | bluebrother | I don't think that would make anything clearer |
| 00:26:20 | amiconn | I didn't try to build on linux with that patch applied, but I don't expect problems |
| 00:26:20 | elinenbe | Nico_P: You should aim for pixel placement −− sort of like viewports... for all text, etc in the WPS |
| 00:26:20 | bluebrother | especially if you set a font bigger than the selected height. Then the lines will overlap |
| 00:26:32 | Llorean | bluebrother: How many times do people think that bad WPS rendering is a bug because the fields don't align with the boxes used in the backdrop? |
| 00:26:47 | Nico_P | elinenbe: that's too complex and not wanted currently |
| 00:26:52 | elinenbe | the whole "lines" thing is getting a little bit out of control. |
| 00:27:06 | bluebrother | yes, but the proper fix to this user problem is to create a theme format that contains everything needed |
| 00:27:11 | Llorean | bluebrother: Assuming use of the %al/r/c tag, a too large font would cause them to overlap the background fields but clearly be too long, and cropped at the bottom, I think that's a less subtle hint than them being in a completely different screen position as they are now. |
| 00:27:17 | bluebrother | instead of the multiple-files approach |
| 00:27:39 | Llorean | What does the multiple-files approach have to do with line-based text positioning? |
| 00:27:39 | Nico_P | bluebrother: I agree on the contained themes, but that's really unrelated |
| 00:27:42 | bluebrother | you really think the average user will understand that? |
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| 00:28:05 | Llorean | bluebrother: I think *more* users will, since most users don't think of "Font size" as the same thing as "Text positioning" |
| 00:28:14 | Nico_P | bluebrother, pixelma: the patch currently adds ~200 bytes to the gigabeat binsize |
| 00:28:16 | bluebrother | I think contained themes are pretty much related: once we have contained theme files the "wrong font" issue won't appear anymore |
| 00:28:17 | Llorean | So if the text is positioned in the same place, but too big, that's clearer than if it's in the wrong place. |
| 00:28:31 | Llorean | bluebrother: You suggest including a copy of the font for every theme that uses it then? |
| 00:28:36 | bluebrother | yes. |
| 00:28:48 | Llorean | I don't see that as a very positive solution |
| 00:29:03 | bluebrother | that's much easier to the average user, and there is one thing we have plenty of on the player: disk space |
| 00:29:16 | elinenbe | bluebrother: agreed... fonts are so small anyway |
| 00:29:24 | Nico_P | bluebrother: with the tag, WPS creators will stop designing themes around a font, but only around a max line height... that'll give much more flexibility to users in their font choice |
| 00:29:27 | Llorean | bluebrother: Some of our players are 2gb, or 1gb |
| 00:29:35 | Llorean | On those, a 500k-1mb font is not insignificant. |
| 00:29:38 | elinenbe | a theme should be entirely contained |
| 00:29:42 | bluebrother | you could also create a theme file excluding fonts and use the default fonts folder as fallback |
| 00:29:51 | pixelma | that also has its problems - if a few wps use the same font you'll end up with unneeded copies |
| 00:29:54 | amiconn | elinenbe: Fonts are small?? Check the size of e.g. unifont.fnt ... |
| 00:30:03 | Llorean | bluebrother: And then the same thing happens, a theme that doesn't have a font present in the default, and the author didn't want to duplicate it. |
| 00:30:25 | Llorean | bluebrother: As soon as you allow the user to opt-out of including the font, you reintroduce the possibility of the problem, meaning it's not "solved". Users can already include the font in their theme zip, and don't. |
| 00:30:28 | bluebrother | the themes could also be distributed in a format that gets installed by a plugin |
| 00:30:44 | bluebrother | I already created a plugin to do so, but it doesn't seem there was much interest. |
| 00:30:50 | Nico_P | amiconn: what do you think about line height in relation to viewports ? would viewports make it unnecessary ? |
| 00:30:52 | amiconn | Llorean: The Ondio has just 128MB of built-in storage, and that's where /.rockbox and hence themes reside |
| 00:31:19 | bluebrother | Llorean, a theme file can always be broken by some missing files |
| 00:31:24 | Llorean | amiconn: Ah, yes, I *knew* there was something smaller, but my brain isn't quite moving yet (if it ever is, I seem to overlook the Ondio often, but I intend to try to get one) |
| 00:31:43 | Llorean | bluebrother: Yes, but the line height patch means it can't be broken as easily. |
| 00:31:54 | bluebrother | I tend to disagree :) |
| 00:32:03 | amiconn | I would still say that disk space is a rather large resource on our targets, but wasting it isn't good |
| 00:32:05 | elinenbe | unifont is the largest at 1.4MB but for the most part they are much, much smaller. |
| 00:32:05 | bluebrother | there are enough other places to break a theme |
| 00:32:10 | Llorean | bluebrother: But you're wrong, the evidence is there. |
| 00:32:25 | elinenbe | you can fit every font into the space of less than one song. |
| 00:32:27 | bluebrother | evidence for what exactly? |
| 00:32:39 | Llorean | bluebrother: If even one less theme is broken by missing fonts, then my statement is true: They can still be broken, but not as easily, because leaving off fonts is the most common install mistake that still allows rockbox to run. |
| 00:32:46 | elinenbe | themes are always broken by missing fonts. |
| 00:32:58 | Llorean | elinenbe: Not with the line-height patch. |
| 00:32:58 | bluebrother | then create a format that installs itself on the player |
| 00:32:59 | elinenbe | and on the WPS page, it requires you to upload the font with the WPS. |
| 00:33:02 | elinenbe | Why is that? |
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| 00:33:11 | bluebrother | and include the font in that theme package. |
| 00:33:18 | elinenbe | Make sure to give the font you use (or include a theme file) to view your WPS with. Otherwise it won't look right to anyone else. |
| 00:33:21 | amiconn | Btw, collecting the ton of small files (read: wps bitmaps) belonging to a theme nowadays into one file will save significant amounts of disk space |
| 00:33:30 | Llorean | elinenbe: Because any theme that uses %al/c/r for positioning (not spaces) will work with any font smaller or equal than its current one with the line height. Currently it has to be equal only |
| 00:33:48 | amiconn | Even a 1-byte file occupies a whole cluster on a fat(32) volume, and a cluster can be as large as 32KB |
| 00:33:48 | elinenbe | yes... if a centered font is what you are looking for? |
| 00:33:52 | bluebrother | the installation problem caused of fonts is more related because we ship themes with the builds but fonts separately |
| 00:33:55 | elinenbe | let's say you want something bottom justified? |
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| 00:34:10 | amiconn | But fonts are definitely not suitable to be put into a theme file |
| 00:34:12 | bluebrother | there shouldn't be themes in the builds but a separate extras package that includes fonts and themes IMO |
| 00:34:32 | elinenbe | amiconn: fonts are part of the theme though? Themes on Windows include fonts... same with kde if you want. |
| 00:34:42 | Llorean | elinenbe: I didn't say it would necessarily look the same, just that it won't be "broken", as in, it can still functionally be used. |
| 00:35:03 | bluebrother | still, if you have some format that installs itself duplicates won't be a prlblem |
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| 00:35:23 | elinenbe | eh... I think a theme/wps should be designed for a certain font. Who is really using different fonts then what is supposed to be used/what comes with it? |
| 00:35:24 | bluebrother | as replacing a font by the same font unsurprisingly doesn't make a difference. |
| 00:35:44 | amiconn | Yes, but having several themes which use the same font would mean the font is stored multiple times on disk - and fonts can be rather large files |
| 00:35:56 | elinenbe | amiconn: only in a couple cases. |
| 00:35:58 | bluebrother | Llorean, users will still consider it broken (because it's different than the screenshots) and whine about it. |
| 00:36:00 | Llorean | elinenbe: I have several themes I'd like to use with different fonts (smaller) so that I get more in the menus, and the line height patch keeps the WPS from breaking (specifically progress bar position, etc) |
| 00:36:07 | amiconn | Besides, the font file is accessed dynamically, so not easy to stuff into another file |
| 00:36:25 | Llorean | bluebrother: I still think "The font looks different" is a much more intuitive problem than "the words are under the album art" |
| 00:36:34 | bluebrother | amiconn, then what's the problem with creating theme installation packages? |
| 00:37:00 | bluebrother | Llorean, the current situation at least shows clearly there's something wrong |
| 00:37:03 | Llorean | elinenbe: I also have several themes that I *do* use with other fonts, because they're text-only (no images) |
| 00:37:16 | elinenbe | look at the WPSs on the WPS page... most (all?) come with fonts −− we are looking at 50k... 150k for the most part. That's not a big deal. |
| 00:37:21 | bluebrother | we had a bug report in the tracker once from a user with zezayer and rockbox_default.fnt |
| 00:37:30 | Llorean | bluebrother: I think if the user can make the connection to "fonts" they're more likely to investigate the right area without filing a bug report first, though |
| 00:37:59 | bluebrother | he claimed the Rockbox logo in the lower right edge to be too big |
| 00:37:59 | Llorean | elinenbe: Most come with fonts? On which WPS page? |
| 00:37:59 | bluebrother | the theme itself works fine with the default font ... |
| 00:38:19 | bluebrother | I don't believe an average user will make the connection to the font |
| 00:38:27 | elinenbe | the mistic river forums and our forums are also filled with "why doesn't my WPS look like that?" type questions. |
| 00:38:37 | bluebrother | rather display a splash when the required font isn't found while loading a theme |
| 00:38:41 | elinenbe | I agree with bluebrother. |
| 00:39:12 | Llorean | bluebrother: That still doesn't cover the *added* functionality of the line-height patch. |
| 00:39:13 | elinenbe | I don't think anyone minds the extra hard drive space... if it ends up "just working" |
| 00:39:15 | bluebrother | but adding some strange workaround will only create new side effects, and users will be somewhat "surprised" by them and not understand. |
| 00:39:20 | Llorean | elinenbe: Yes, we do. |
| 00:39:26 | Llorean | elinenbe: Or at least I do, and I'm someone. |
| 00:39:29 | bluebrother | do we need that functionality? Do we even want it? |
| 00:39:32 | Llorean | bluebrother: I do. |
| 00:39:55 | bluebrother | ok, but how about the others? I don't consider this functionality useful |
| 00:39:55 | Llorean | bluebrother: I have several themes (one per player) all of which would benefit from allowing me to choose a smaller font, and would not break positioning because of it. |
| 00:40:15 | amiconn | Something is wrong with the icons stuff |
| 00:40:25 | amiconn | Viewer icons don't work right on H1x0 |
| 00:40:26 | Nico_P | bluebrother: I don't consider this a workaround... actually I wonder why it wasn't there frome the start |
| 00:40:40 | bluebrother | there are no viewer icons for greyscale yet |
| 00:40:46 | Llorean | bluebrother: If you have line-based positioning, you should absolutely be able to define line-height instead of leaving it dependent. |
| 00:40:55 | bluebrother | and I don't think JdGordon made it fall back to the mono bitmaps |
| 00:41:08 | amiconn | midi files should have a single note icon, but on the main lcd they have no icon at all and on the remote they have a question mark ??!! |
| 00:41:40 | bluebrother | I still disagree. |
| 00:41:41 | elinenbe | Llorean: I am talking about the "average" user, and you can seriously say you care about 50kb? 100kb? |
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| 00:42:04 | bluebrother | with like a line based curses interface you can't set the spacing as well |
| 00:42:28 | Llorean | elinenbe: No, the caring starts at 500kb wasted or more. |
| 00:42:45 | Llorean | elinenbe: But fonts do pass that mark, especially the useful ones (more unicode) |
| 00:42:58 | amiconn | elinenbe: I do, at least for the installation packages, on Ondio |
| 00:43:01 | bluebrother | then consider on-device theme installation packages ;-) |
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| 00:43:39 | bluebrother | amiconn, caring for theme size too? Or only binary size? |
| 00:43:49 | amiconn | And that's not because of the file size of, say, 500KB, but due to the slow writing. It takes quite some time to unzip a build to the Ondio (note: I'm not talking about fullzips!) |
| 00:44:27 | bluebrother | I proposed removing the themes from current build zips on the ml recently ... |
| 00:44:32 | Llorean | Nico_P: How much more would it add to make the line-height tag also allow specification of centered, top, or bottom? |
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| 00:45:05 | bluebrother | the disk in my h120 is kinda slow too, so not overwriting the themes on every update would be nice for me too (though I guess the ondio is slower ;-) |
| 00:45:21 | Nico_P | Llorean: you do mean for all the lines ? not much |
| 00:45:22 | amiconn | h120 is blazingly fast compared to the Ondio |
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| 00:45:30 | amiconn | Even when you use an USB1.1 port |
| 00:45:37 | bluebrother | hehe. I knew that :) |
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| 00:45:51 | alienbiker99 | hey does anybody have an extra working H120 motherboard that they would be willing to seel |
| 00:45:59 | Llorean | Nico_P: Yeah, for all lines. |
| 00:46:15 | bluebrother | anyway, I'm planning to make a patch to do that change when I find time. Still waiting for comments on that mail |
| 00:46:25 | Llorean | Nico_P: That solves elinenbe's "what if you want bottom justified" question, and I think does make it a little nicer possibly. |
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| 00:46:41 | Nico_P | Llorean: pretty easy... just one char more and in the code it would be quite trivial |
| 00:46:49 | Llorean | bluebrother: I haven't seen your email. Is it in the mailing list archive? |
| 00:46:58 | Llorean | Nico_P: I thought so. |
| 00:47:17 | bluebrother | Llorean, yes: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2007-04/0031.shtml |
| 00:47:32 | elinenbe | I think instead of adding all the kludges, focus should be on viewports, or x,y positioning for anything on the WPS... |
| 00:47:47 | Llorean | Nico_P: Well, I'm strongly in favour of it, because I at least think it would be useful as a themeing tool (even ignoring whether or not it reduces confusion from missing fonts) |
| 00:48:03 | Nico_P | elinenbe: I'm not working on viewports... time I spend on this won't be lost for them |
| 00:48:13 | bluebrother | it would help for theming if it would only affect the current line imo. |
| 00:48:27 | Llorean | elinenbe: As well, the line height thing is still useful with viewports, as it reduces the number of viewports that will need to be defined. |
| 00:48:34 | Llorean | And I can almost guarantee more viewports == worse performance. |
| 00:48:45 | Nico_P | bluebrother: it could quite easily |
| 00:48:48 | Llorean | I can't imagine it not being the case. |
| 00:49:07 | Llorean | bluebrother: Are you saying it's absolutely useless as is now? |
| 00:49:36 | Llorean | Or did you mean "it would help more for theming"? |
| 00:49:54 | bluebrother | as far as I understood amiconn viewports shouldn't be slower than the current wps |
| 00:50:06 | bluebrother | Llorean, I don't think it would help more for theming |
| 00:50:33 | Llorean | Llorean: No, I mean, do you think current-line only is the only way it could help |
| 00:50:45 | Llorean | I can see many uses, just in my own themes, for line height, so I can't imagine it not helping. |
| 00:50:59 | elinenbe | I have a question... we already have x,y positioning for bmps −− how much effort is necessary for x,y positioning of text and fonts? |
| 00:51:09 | Llorean | elinenbe: Much more |
| 00:51:17 | Llorean | elinenbe: Also, you can't position a font. :-P |
| 00:51:24 | bluebrother | I can imagine it helping more if it does affect only the current line instead of all lines |
| 00:51:25 | amiconn | Llorean: The number of viewports should have no influence on performance as long as the calling code doesn't redefine them continuously (which would drain power in the caller, btw. The lcd code still wouldn't care) |
| 00:51:25 | Llorean | elinenbe: The problem with absolute positioning is line scrolling. |
| 00:51:48 | bluebrother | if it affects only one line it only cures a symptom, but not the issue itself |
| 00:52:10 | Nico_P | bluebrother: it affects all lines ATM |
| 00:52:16 | Llorean | amiconn: I would expect the constant extra bounds checking to at least be an issue? |
| 00:52:29 | Llorean | bluebrother: Stop calling it a "cure" |
| 00:52:34 | Llorean | bluebrother: It offers new functionality as well. |
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| 00:52:45 | bluebrother | I still consider it a such. |
| 00:52:46 | amiconn | Llorean: Why? It checks bounds against the current viewport. |
| 00:53:16 | amiconn | I think the line height tag is unnecessary, as defining that for every line adds many tags to a wps |
| 00:53:25 | Llorean | amiconn: I guess I don't know. I apologize. |
| 00:53:38 | Llorean | amiconn: The current one is an absolute line height, it sets the height for the whole WPS. |
| 00:53:59 | amiconn | Viewports won't make line-based layout superfluous; the advantage of lined-based layout is that the caller doesn't have to care much about line hieght |
| 00:54:02 | Llorean | I think it makes vertical positioning much more flexible. |
| 00:54:29 | Llorean | amiconn: And I think being able to say "The line height for this WPS is 12px, no matter which font you use (even if it's only 8)" is something that is needed with line-based layout. |
| 00:54:36 | amiconn | If someone wants to place certain lines differently, he will be able to use a viewport. |
| 00:54:59 | Llorean | All it does is untie the line height of the WPS from the font-height, currently |
| 00:55:17 | amiconn | Why would you ever want to do that? |
| 00:55:28 | bluebrother | and ties it to some arbitrary value (which might cause other problems) |
| 00:55:30 | Llorean | amiconn: So I can use smaller fonts in several of my WPSes? |
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| 00:56:03 | amiconn | Making the line higher than the font wastes space, and making it smaller makes the text unreadable because of overlap |
| 00:56:40 | Llorean | amiconn: Making the line height the same as the set font means the WPS looks the same. But allows users to pick a smaller font if they like the layout of the WPS, don't want to have to design new graphics, and want more lines in the menu. |
| 00:57:11 | Nico_P | amiconn: some people like light design |
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| 00:57:43 | Llorean | It makes WPSes less dependent on font |
| 00:57:43 | amiconn | Gah, the icon code can't work properly as it is :( |
| 00:57:47 | bluebrother | which could be done with viewports |
| 00:57:49 | Llorean | It doesn't remove the dependency but it does lessen it. |
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| 00:58:21 | Llorean | bluebrother: With viewports, EVERY WPS would have to make one viewport for every single line, for the same effect as this patch. |
| 00:58:23 | Nico_P | I've tossed the idea in the ML... I have to go to bed now |
| 00:58:52 | Llorean | bluebrother: With this patch a user can add it to their WPS with one tag if they decide they want to add it to an existing WPS, rather than rewriting every single line to include a viewport definition |
| 00:59:12 | amiconn | Casting remote icons to fb_data is wrong for sure |
| 00:59:31 | Llorean | bluebrother: As far as I'm concerned, defining 20 viewports is the workaround. |
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| 01:00:11 | Nico_P | that's how I feel too... viewports can't be the answer to *everything* |
| 01:00:39 | Nico_P | and this is a eally simple but useful feature |
| 01:00:39 | amiconn | Llorean: Just to clarify, viewport will allow to define variable sub-rectangles of the lcd. Rectangles. There won't be a z-order or something like that |
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| 01:00:55 | pixelma | Nico_P: did you already change the "name" of the new tag? Otherwise I won't be able to test as my wps uses the virtual led tag... |
| 01:01:01 | bluebrother | I don't think ther will be themes with 20 lines anyway |
| 01:01:14 | Nico_P | pixelma: I'll post a new patch |
| 01:01:30 | amiconn | That implies that the result of drawing into overlapping viewports will be undefined (well, it will be defined in that the last drawing operation wins) |
| 01:01:34 | Llorean | bluebrother: It doesn't affect only one line. |
| 01:01:37 | pixelma | maybe I'll test then |
| 01:01:44 | Llorean | bluebrother: Shoot, I was scrolled up, wrong response, sorry |
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| 01:02:48 | bluebrother | I just was referring to mentioning a "workaround" using 20 viewports. I don't think a theme will use 20 lines anyway |
| 01:03:09 | Llorean | bluebrother: Even for 6 lines, it's less effort to add %lh 20 than to go through the WPS and adding a viewport definition for each and every line. |
| 01:03:15 | alienbiker99 | doesnt that depend on the player, like the gigabeats have a long screen |
| 01:03:21 | Nico_P | ideas for the new name of the tag ? |
| 01:03:25 | Llorean | alienbiker99: He means "Lines that contain visible text" |
| 01:03:29 | alienbiker99 | oh ok |
| 01:03:37 | bluebrother | most of these fancy themes use like 5 lines and use icons for the rest. And they will use absolute positioning with viewports anyway because it's completely independent of the font or some tag |
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| 01:04:04 | Nico_P | ok, it's %ls for now |
| 01:04:14 | Llorean | bluebrother: You're making an assumption based on the majority of themes. |
| 01:04:30 | Llorean | bluebrother: The majority of themes don't use the replaygain tag, the "album artist" tag, and a host of others. |
| 01:04:33 | bluebrother | yes. On what should I base my assumption otherwise? |
| 01:04:47 | Llorean | All themes. |
| 01:04:50 | andrewy | my iriver h320 won't power on unless it's plugged in when rockbox and the rockbox bootloader is installed. i've tried the 1.30eu, 1.28eu, and 1.28k firmware, but all have the same problem. anyone know how to fix this? |
| 01:04:58 | bluebrother | viewports will have much more flexibility, so the themes will use that. |
| 01:05:00 | Llorean | bluebrother: You're generalizing and saying "because it's not overall useful, it's not useful at all" |
| 01:05:13 | Nico_P | I have to go, gnight |
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| 01:05:35 | Llorean | bluebrother: Viewports have much more flexibility, but are not the best tool for the problem. They're just the most flexible one. |
| 01:05:36 | bluebrother | no, I think the result can get differently without adding some new tag that also has some limitations |
| 01:05:47 | Llorean | bluebrother: There is a WPS buffer limit, yes? |
| 01:05:56 | bluebrother | why are they not the best solution for the problem? |
| 01:06:07 | Llorean | Because you need MORE THAN ONE, to solve the problem |
| 01:06:16 | Llorean | The more you use, the less WPS size you have for anything else. |
| 01:06:19 | bluebrother | this heavily depends on the theme |
| 01:06:34 | Llorean | bluebrother: Any theme that needs just ONE viewport, needs none. |
| 01:06:37 | bluebrother | do we already strip comments in the wps file when reading? |
| 01:06:48 | Llorean | What does stripping comments have to do with it? |
| 01:07:05 | bluebrother | it will be rendered as viewport anyway, so it doesn't make that much of a difference. |
| 01:07:30 | Llorean | My point is that if you have the problem, you either need a second viewport to solve it, or you need the %lh tag. |
| 01:07:33 | bluebrother | it's just a question. Because if we don't we can still regain some buffer space |
| 01:07:39 | Llorean | If you need a third viewport, then the %lh tag becomes more efficient. |
| 01:07:43 | Llorean | bluebrother: We do strip comments. |
| 01:07:55 | Llorean | bluebrother: And people still run into the limit on how large the WPS can be. |
| 01:07:56 | bluebrother | good. Questions solved. |
| 01:08:21 | bluebrother | yeah, but on what players? Anything that is non-color non-huge-lcd? |
| 01:08:44 | Llorean | bluebrother: The buffers size allocated is based upon the screen size. |
| 01:08:52 | Llorean | Larger screens get more. |
| 01:09:30 | bluebrother | speaking of image buffers or text buffer? |
| 01:09:30 | Llorean | My point is that you can either tell users "you have to waste space in your buffer on defining multiple viewports" or you can say "here, use this one tag that doest the exact same thing more efficiently" |
| 01:09:34 | Llorean | bluebrother: Text |
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| 01:09:44 | Llorean | Image buffer is really easy to use up |
| 01:09:53 | bluebrother | I know. |
| 01:10:02 | Llorean | Partially because we don't expand it when we add new codecs. |
| 01:10:12 | bluebrother | but I'm kinda used to other code ATM. |
| 01:10:27 | Llorean | I just think that you're assuming that since viewports is flexible enough to allow for a solution, that it's a good solution. |
| 01:10:36 | Llorean | Viewports is a good solution for absolute positioning. |
| 01:10:39 | bluebrother | no. |
| 01:10:51 | Llorean | But for reducing the WPS dependence on font height, it's very well not. |
| 01:11:06 | bluebrother | I don't think this is a good solution and I think it will be used rarely only, if it will be used at all. |
| 01:11:40 | Llorean | bluebrother: There are plenty of WPSes in our gallery already that could make use of it effectively |
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| 01:12:10 | bluebrother | I don't think we will get to a point with this discussion. |
| 01:12:12 | andrewy | how do you build the bootloader from svn? |
| 01:12:29 | Llorean | Whether the author chooses to is different, but plenty of WPSes _could_ benefit from it, and that's as good as you get with the replaygain tags. |
| 01:12:29 | bluebrother | andrewy, like the build, just choose "bootloader" when configuring |
| 01:12:46 | bluebrother | Llorean, plus, it's late here. Let's wait what the others say about this. |
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| 01:12:57 | bluebrother | but I'm still not convinced. |
| 01:13:00 | andrewy | bluebrother: thanks |
| 01:13:13 | bluebrother | it's always a tradeoff between flexibility and complexity. |
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| 01:13:51 | bluebrother | and, as a professor said in some lecture I attended, "You need to die one death anyway" |
| 01:14:17 | amiconn | bluebrother: Viewports are not only for wps, by far |
| 01:14:45 | Llorean | bluebrother: Yes, it always is. |
| 01:14:53 | Llorean | I agree, we're probably going to stay disagreeing on this one. :) |
| 01:15:04 | Llorean | And it's odd, I'm the one arguing to add "fluff" :-P |
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| 01:15:25 | bluebrother | that's indeed kinda odd ;-) |
| 01:15:40 | Llorean | But it's entirely self-serving fluff! |
| 01:15:55 | amiconn | bleh |
| 01:16:01 | bluebrother | but I'm out for some sleep now. It's quite late and I need to do some Java programming tomorrow (man, do I hate this) |
| 01:16:21 | amiconn | Why does gcc not like my intended workaround for the screen bitmap functions? |
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| 01:28:56 | amiconn | hi JdGordon |
| 01:29:10 | amiconn | Why are there no viewer icons displayed on my H180? |
| 01:29:24 | amiconn | The main unit shows nothing, and the remote just shows question marks... |
| 01:29:42 | JdGordon | have you got a viewers.bmp file in icons? |
| 01:29:55 | JdGordon | you didnt fix screen_access.c last night :( |
| 01:30:09 | amiconn | I am about to; it's still nbight here |
| 01:30:17 | amiconn | 1:30 am |
| 01:30:28 | amiconn | I also cleaned up icon.c |
| 01:30:41 | JdGordon | :) |
| 01:30:45 | amiconn | Using fb_data for the remote doesn't sound like the right way... |
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| 01:31:06 | amiconn | Btw, is there a reason why the question mark should only be displayed on the remote? |
| 01:31:26 | amiconn | fb_remote_data is a different type than fb_data |
| 01:32:08 | amiconn | I am using void* now, this at least points out that these pointers are generic, and no assumptions should be made about the data format |
| 01:32:13 | JdGordon | well.. its just a pointer really.. |
| 01:33:00 | amiconn | What about the question mark? |
| 01:33:05 | JdGordon | the ? iss there because unless we introduce 2 .icons file (one for main and one for remote) its very possible that you load a main viewers.bmp but not remote so the icons are not available |
| 01:33:14 | JdGordon | but showing no icon looks bad |
| 01:33:16 | amiconn | And why is get_icon_width() defined to return 6 for charcell? |
| 01:33:44 | amiconn | If needed at all, it should return 1, everything else is wrong |
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| 01:34:26 | amiconn | Why don't I have a viewers.bmp after installing the latest build (from a zip)? |
| 01:34:58 | amiconn | This is going to confuse users... |
| 01:35:38 | JdGordon | you should ave viewers.bmp |
| 01:35:48 | amiconn | Then why isn't it used? |
| 01:35:59 | JdGordon | and woops (get_icon_width()) |
| 01:36:03 | JdGordon | it is used.. |
| 01:36:14 | JdGordon | whats your viewers iconset: line in the cfg? |
| 01:36:43 | amiconn | none |
| 01:37:41 | JdGordon | and you definatly have the bmp in icons/? |
| 01:37:43 | pixelma | JdGordon: I see no apps/plugins/bitmaps/viewer_defaults/viewers.6x8x2.bmp in your commit - maybe that's the problem with greyscale targets (?) |
| 01:37:46 | JdGordon | this isnt charcell right? |
| 01:38:04 | amiconn | No, only remote_viewers.bmp |
| 01:38:14 | amiconn | But remote viewer icons don't work either |
| 01:38:40 | JdGordon | bah, pixelma is crrect |
| 01:38:52 | pixelma | iirc Lear already pointed that out earlier |
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| 01:40:27 | pixelma | funny it worked in the M5-sim |
| 01:41:31 | pixelma | hmm... maybe I haven't looked close enough |
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| 01:43:56 | amiconn | gah |
| 01:44:03 | JdGordon | seems to be working almost correctly now in the sim with the added bmp |
| 01:44:12 | JdGordon | remote viewer icon is off tho |
| 01:44:15 | * | amiconn confused his recorder and H180, and unzipped th erecorder build to the H180 :( |
| 01:44:26 | JdGordon | well done :D |
| 01:44:46 | amiconn | Too many usb ports problem ;{ |
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| 01:45:14 | pixelma | well... wouldn't have happened that easily with the mini... :P |
| 01:45:40 | pixelma | although... I take that back |
| 01:46:38 | JdGordon | what you need is a chep laptop with only 2 usb ports and which doesnt like usb hubs! |
| 01:46:42 | JdGordon | then it doesnt happen |
| 01:48:06 | amiconn | viewer icons don't work on recorder either. All blank |
| 01:48:14 | amiconn | (but it doesn't crash anymore) |
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| 01:48:52 | JdGordon | something wierd is happening with the remote viewer icons which wasnt hapening last night :( |
| 01:48:56 | andrewy | anyone use an iriver h320 with rockbox? |
| 01:49:01 | amiconn | viewers.bmp is there |
| 01:49:18 | JdGordon | amiconn: and viewers.config is correct? |
| 01:50:06 | amiconn | Looks like it is |
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| 01:55:28 | JdGordon | amiconn: sorry, i gotta get to uni now, ill have a look later today |
| 01:56:06 | * | amiconn just committed the crash fix & cleanup |
| 01:57:27 | job_ | hey does anyone have any experience with the mp3 encoder chip (the micronas MAS3587F)? |
| 02:00 |
| 02:02:11 | job_ | anyone there? |
| 02:02:36 | Llorean | job_: If someone had the information you wanted, they'd have answered. |
| 02:03:07 | Llorean | If they're around, that is |
| 02:03:25 | amiconn | job_: I know the mas a bit, but I won't be around for long now, as it's already 2 am |
| 02:03:58 | amiconn | JdGordon: Should the .bmp extension be part of the setting (i.e. in the .cfg) or not? |
| 02:04:08 | JdGordon | yes |
| 02:04:14 | JdGordon | full path |
| 02:04:29 | amiconn | Okay, so appending .bmp a second time can't be right... |
| 02:04:36 | JdGordon | hehe no |
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| 02:04:45 | job_ | amiconn: do you know if there is anything tricky with powering up the chip? |
| 02:05:39 | JdGordon | amiconn: yellow :) |
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| 02:06:14 | amiconn | Bah, sure |
| 02:06:36 | amiconn | I knew I would be trapped by -Wundef one day... |
| 02:08:08 | amiconn | JdGordon: Lear's change caused the non-working default icons, but I don't really get which places should store the path in what way atm |
| 02:10:18 | JdGordon | ah ok. they are standard filename settings.. so only the name is stored, the path and extension are added when they need to be used |
| 02:10:43 | JdGordon | if the setting[0] == - or \0 it should load the defaults.. |
| 02:10:47 | * | JdGordon gone |
| 02:12:10 | * | amiconn thinks that a target with no main lcd will be fun to get warning-free with -Wundef in place... :\ |
| 02:15:43 | Hammer89 | can anyone here help me figure out what I'm doing wrong with trying to install a custom icon set? |
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| 02:18:30 | kkurbjun | anyone around who has a gigabeat X? |
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| 02:26:41 | Hammer89 | *bangs head on table* |
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| 02:27:21 | aliask | Haha, hammerhead... |
| 02:27:27 | Hammer89 | :) |
| 02:27:44 | Hammer89 | it's all these custom icons fault :P |
| 02:28:23 | Llorean | Hammer89: Have you tried looking at one of the completed sets and just modifying it? |
| 02:28:49 | Hammer89 | I tried using the "Tango Theme" from here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IconSets |
| 02:29:17 | Hammer89 | I put both .bmp files and the .icons file in a folder called "icons" in the .rockbox folder |
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| 02:29:45 | Hammer89 | and I ran the .cfg file... but it didn't do a thing |
| 02:30:04 | aliask | Tried restarting, sometimes that helps. |
| 02:30:10 | Hammer89 | tried it |
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| 02:30:23 | Llorean | Hammer89: And what SVN revision are you running? |
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| 02:30:47 | Hammer89 | the most recent... well... at least recent enough that it should have included the custom icons |
| 02:31:20 | Hammer89 | I suppose I could try installing *the* latest version.... |
| 02:31:49 | Llorean | Are your current icons the same color as your font, or black? |
| 02:31:57 | Llorean | Assuming non-black font |
| 02:32:03 | Hammer89 | my font is black |
| 02:32:22 | Llorean | Change its color real quick, to just dark gray, and see if the current icons change color. |
| 02:32:24 | Hammer89 | the current (default?) icons are also black |
| 02:32:29 | Hammer89 | okay |
| 02:33:05 | Llorean | kkurbjun: They can, or most of them would've been asking how to revert to an older build (most people don't know about the bootloader USB mode on Gigabeat, it's not automatic) |
| 02:33:20 | Llorean | kkurbjun: Or I'd guess they can, unless they're uninstalling Rockbox entirely each time |
| 02:34:01 | Hammer89 | Llorean: it didn't work |
| 02:34:13 | Llorean | Hammer89: What didn't work? |
| 02:34:17 | Llorean | You can't change the font color? |
| 02:34:22 | Hammer89 | oh... wait |
| 02:34:29 | Hammer89 | to see if the default icons change color? |
| 02:34:37 | Hammer89 | sorry |
| 02:34:42 | Hammer89 | misread what you wrote :) |
| 02:34:55 | kkurbjun | Llorean, I was wondering if they are using the bootloader feature that allows them to swap the fwimg01.dat file so they can boot with the old fw |
| 02:35:11 | Hammer89 | the font color and icon color changed |
| 02:35:16 | Llorean | kkurbjun: It's possible, I hadn't thought of that until right after I typed the line. |
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| 02:35:21 | Llorean | Hammer89: You aren't using a build with custom icons. |
| 02:35:26 | Hammer89 | Hmmm |
| 02:35:30 | Hammer89 | odd... |
| 02:35:35 | Hammer89 | let me go update then |
| 02:35:40 | Llorean | Well, you did say you had to make an icons folder |
| 02:35:43 | Llorean | That was my first clue |
| 02:35:48 | Hammer89 | mmhmm... |
| 02:35:59 | Llorean | Seeing as it's included, 'n all. :-P |
| 02:36:09 | Llorean | It's generally a good idea to make sure you're SVN current before asking for help |
| 02:36:12 | Hammer89 | that could do it, I guess... ;) |
| 02:36:31 | Hammer89 | I figured it was... I uploaded a new one late-ish today |
| 02:36:44 | Llorean | Did you do the daily? |
| 02:36:46 | kkurbjun | Llorean, I can't seem to track anyone down who has a gigabeat X to actually discuss/test anything |
| 02:36:51 | Hammer89 | no... not the daily |
| 02:36:53 | Llorean | kkurbjun: Yeah, there aren't many of them. |
| 02:36:59 | Hammer89 | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/sansae200/rockbox-sansae200.zip |
| 02:37:06 | Hammer89 | errrr.... maybe it is? |
| 02:37:07 | Llorean | Hammer89: See the word "daily"? |
| 02:37:08 | kkurbjun | you don't happen to know who has one or when they might be available |
| 02:37:14 | krazykit | kkurbjun, i have a gigabeat f, which is mostly the same |
| 02:37:25 | Llorean | Hammer89: Use the one from the "Current Build" page, or you're always going to be out of date. |
| 02:37:31 | Llorean | krazykit: It's an X-only problem |
| 02:37:35 | krazykit | ah. |
| 02:37:36 | Llorean | kkurbjun: Toffe82 |
| 02:37:58 | Llorean | markun: Know anyone else besides Toffe with an X? |
| 02:38:04 | kkurbjun | Llorean, yeah, he has a broken one, hopefully he'll have a fully working one at the end of the week |
| 02:38:21 | Hammer89 | wow... how dumb of me |
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| 02:40:49 | Hammer89 | it worked... thanks for the help :) |
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| 02:45:20 | aliask | Does rockbox support ID3 2.4 tags? |
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| 02:47:27 | Llorean | aliask: Yes. |
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| 02:48:08 | aliask | Jolly good then :) |
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| 02:55:08 | Good_Apollo | hello |
| 02:55:38 | Good_Apollo | Booted up my ipod..didnt boot up as rockbox |
| 02:56:10 | Llorean | Good_Apollo: You're not telling us very much. First time install, after an apple update, or what? |
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| 03:09:17 | Good_Apollo | heres the thing |
| 03:09:38 | Good_Apollo | I restored my ipod to original settiings..cause im going to switch from database to file tree |
| 03:09:50 | Good_Apollo | And i put Rockbox back onto the hard drive |
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| 03:09:55 | Good_Apollo | and it will not boot into rockbox |
| 03:10:08 | Good_Apollo | i am sure im missing something..but not sure what |
| 03:10:14 | aliask | When you restored the iPod, it deleted the bootloader, you'll need to reinstall it |
| 03:10:24 | Good_Apollo | link for the bootloader? |
| 03:10:38 | aliask | http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 03:10:53 | Good_Apollo | thank you sir =] |
| 03:10:57 | aliask | :) |
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| 03:12:07 | Good_Apollo | is the bootloader incuded in the .Zip? |
| 03:12:13 | Good_Apollo | included* |
| 03:12:49 | aliask | What I linked were the manuals. If you just want to quickly check it, select whichever ipod you have, and look under the "installation" section. It'll link you to the bootloader installer from there. |
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| 03:15:18 | w0lfie | heya |
| 03:15:20 | Good_Apollo | okay..im there |
| 03:15:23 | Good_Apollo | need the installer |
| 03:15:53 | aliask | hey there w0lfie |
| 03:16:04 | w0lfie | yo :) |
| 03:17:18 | w0lfie | for the iaudio port, the power handling is listed at a status of 10%. can anyone elaborate any further on this? |
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| 03:18:22 | w0lfie | does anyone run rockbox on an iaudio? |
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| 03:19:02 | Good_Apollo | Bootloader link? on the manual =] |
| 03:19:23 | Llorean | Good_Apollo: The link is in the manual... |
| 03:19:33 | Good_Apollo | i dont see it |
| 03:19:36 | Llorean | amiconn: Either your change or JDGordon's change seems to have broken something with icons. |
| 03:19:36 | * | Good_Apollo is blind |
| 03:20:06 | Llorean | amiconn: All of my builtin filetypes (both m3u and audio files) seem to be using the "System" icon. |
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| 03:21:06 | * | Good_Apollo punches self |
| 03:21:13 | Good_Apollo | im stupid, dont see a link |
| 03:21:54 | aliask | Are you looking int he "installing the boot loader" section? |
| 03:22:40 | Good_Apollo | im looking at installing rockbox |
| 03:22:45 | Good_Apollo | than it talks abut the bootloader |
| 03:22:49 | Good_Apollo | about* |
| 03:23:04 | Good_Apollo | Ahh found it |
| 03:23:09 | Good_Apollo | Thanks! =D |
| 03:23:17 | aliask | :P enjoy |
| 03:23:21 | Good_Apollo | i will |
| 03:23:25 | Good_Apollo | gotta get this File tree goin |
| 03:23:28 | aliask | :) |
| 03:23:46 | Good_Apollo | Database= too slow, gotta get away from the Devil we call "itunes" lol |
| 03:24:06 | aliask | A wise choice in my opinion. |
| 03:25:16 | Good_Apollo | now..lets see if she boots up |
| 03:25:32 | Good_Apollo | yup =D |
| 03:25:35 | Good_Apollo | themes now |
| 03:26:24 | w0lfie | so no one runs the rockbox on an iaudio x5? |
| 03:26:32 | w0lfie | come on...there must be someone ;) |
| 03:26:38 | Llorean | Jdgordon: Assuming you might see it in the logs: Icon #16, denoted as "Question Mark", is being used for the System menu on my player. As well, it's being used for all inbuilt file types (.mp3, .m3u, .flac) |
| 03:28:11 | Llorean | Oops, forgot "System" and "System Menu" are two different things. |
| 03:28:47 | aliask | w0lfie: It's currently the middle of the night for most of europe, so quite a few people around here are asleep. |
| 03:28:47 | Llorean | w0lfie: What question did you have, beyond the one regarding the out of date IaudioPort page? |
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| 03:33:02 | w0lfie | aliask: ahh right, that doesn't help huh :) |
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| 03:34:23 | w0lfie | Llorean: well, i just spotted on the iaudio port page that the power handling is at 10% and was wondering if that's still the case and if it's a big downside about using an iaudio? |
| 03:34:49 | w0lfie | basically, i'm wanting to get an iaudio and just want to see what people think about it |
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| 03:37:57 | Llorean | Rockbox works quite well on it. |
| 03:38:14 | Llorean | And battery life is on par to the original firmware, I believe. |
| 03:41:29 | w0lfie | oh ok, that's good to know :) |
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| 03:45:04 | Good_Apollo | one more question |
| 03:45:24 | Good_Apollo | on rockbox..it totally kills my battery life, a friend said i need something enabled but i cant remember |
| 03:45:28 | Good_Apollo | any ideas? |
| 03:46:57 | Llorean | Good_Apollo: On the iPod, battery life is pretty bad. See the IpodRuntime page for comparisons. |
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| 03:47:17 | Good_Apollo | it was fine before..life is 14 hrs |
| 03:47:32 | Llorean | And in Rockbox, it's bad. |
| 03:47:41 | Good_Apollo | yeah |
| 03:47:50 | Llorean | As I said, on the iPod battery life is pretty bad. |
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| 03:47:55 | Llorean | This is #Rockbox, I'm referring to Rockbox. |
| 03:48:08 | Good_Apollo | my friend san, said that something about the hard drive loading every song, something in disk settings |
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| 03:48:27 | Good_Apollo | ill just ask him tomorrow |
| 03:48:32 | Good_Apollo | hes got the ipod like mine |
| 03:48:43 | Good_Apollo | he said after he enabled it, everything was peachy |
| 03:49:03 | Llorean | Look, if you don't believe me fine. |
| 03:49:21 | Llorean | We have thousands of users, and they all get somewhere between 1/2 and 2/3 of their normal battery life while running Rockbox. |
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| 03:49:54 | Good_Apollo | nah dude, i beleve you |
| 03:49:54 | Good_Apollo | this just might make it a tiny bit better |
| 03:50:14 | Llorean | There are settings that can make it better (or worse), depending on how you use your player. |
| 03:50:26 | Good_Apollo | kk |
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| 04:10:08 | BHSPitMonkey | off-topic, but someone might know: |
| 04:10:44 | BHSPitMonkey | would it be a common ordeal to get a piece that condenses both channels on a headphone jack into mono? |
| 04:10:56 | BHSPitMonkey | (some kind of pass-thru adapter) |
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| 04:31:20 | Hammer89 | something like this? http://www.musician.com/product/Planet-Waves-3.5mm-Stereo-Female-3.5mm-Mono-Male-Adapter?sku=335222&src=GWNTWXX |
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| 04:44:33 | saratoga | Llorean: did you get a chance to run RMAA load tests on the Sansa? |
| 04:48:15 | Llorean | saratoga: Not yet, no, sorry. |
| 04:49:23 | Llorean | saratoga: I'd really like to wait until Rockbox's sound setup is stable anyway, it's still not good without patches. |
| 04:55:55 | saratoga | I thought results were the same now? |
| 04:56:15 | saratoga | will take a second look at what you posted |
| 04:56:43 | Llorean | saratoga: Rockbox without a patch is bad, Rockbox with a patch is similar to the Gigabeat. |
| 04:58:35 | saratoga | oh sorry, missed the "out" in "without patches" |
| 04:59:06 | Llorean | Ah |
| 04:59:24 | Llorean | Right now I couldn't get Rockbox to a suitable volume without clipping. |
| 04:59:54 | saratoga | makes sense |
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| 05:00:02 | saratoga | i noticed Toni put up yet another sansa patch |
| 05:00:42 | Llorean | Yeah, kinda a combination patch, I wish he'd separate things more clearly |
| 05:06:20 | saratoga | its not clear to me what he means |
| 05:06:29 | saratoga | does this obviate the previous changes in the antiglitch patch |
| 05:06:37 | saratoga | or are they rolled into what this patch needs to apply |
| 05:08:21 | Llorean | That's the problem, I'm not sure. |
| 05:08:29 | Llorean | If it's to fix power consumption, it shouldn't include any of those |
| 05:08:42 | Llorean | And if there are new changes to the anti-glitch they should've been posted to it, separately |
| 05:09:07 | saratoga | I'll ask him |
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| 05:10:37 | saratoga | whats the issue on 6908 anyway? |
| 05:10:55 | saratoga | I was under the impression it fixed the issue |
| 05:11:50 | Llorean | I'm not sure, honestly |
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| 05:12:19 | saratoga | i guess that its a little hackish |
| 05:12:27 | saratoga | disabling cache flushes |
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| 07:01:58 | tsuyoshi | no |
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| 07:06:04 | Good_Apollo | Hey guys..quick question |
| 07:06:11 | Good_Apollo | where to i extract my themes? |
| 07:06:28 | Good_Apollo | =] |
| 07:08:14 | aliask | In the themes directory? |
| 07:08:29 | perldiver | with a properly zipped them the root will do |
| 07:08:33 | perldiver | theme* |
| 07:09:09 | Good_Apollo | i put them in there..nothing shows in the Browse themes |
| 07:09:09 | perldiver | hey aliask, great set of icons :P |
| 07:09:10 | perldiver | using them since day one |
| 07:10:16 | aliask | Cheers. Gotta say I love em too :) |
| 07:10:33 | Good_Apollo | so .rockbox/themes ? |
| 07:10:37 | perldiver | Good_Apollo |
| 07:10:47 | perldiver | inside .rockbox there should be 3 folders |
| 07:10:53 | perldiver | backdrops |
| 07:10:54 | perldiver | themes |
| 07:10:55 | perldiver | wps |
| 07:11:07 | Good_Apollo | ok |
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| 07:11:13 | perldiver | when you download a theme, a proper zipped one keeps the structure |
| 07:11:19 | perldiver | if not, you have to do it manually |
| 07:11:25 | Good_Apollo | okay |
| 07:11:27 | Good_Apollo | thnx |
| 07:11:46 | Good_Apollo | aliask, you wouldnt happen to live in the UK would you? |
| 07:11:57 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 07:12:05 | aliask | Melbourne, Australia actually. |
| 07:12:09 | Good_Apollo | ahh |
| 07:12:23 | Good_Apollo | you seem like someone i know from the UK..just wondering ;] |
| 07:12:35 | perldiver | aliask navigating is a blast with them really |
| 07:12:36 | aliask | Heh. Sorry to disappoint. |
| 07:12:52 | Good_Apollo | its fine |
| 07:13:16 | aliask | Oops, lost track of time. Gotta run! |
| 07:13:16 | perldiver | now if only i could make this new dict patch to work |
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| 07:14:55 | Good_Apollo | i extracted it and all..i dont see it in "Browse themes" |
| 07:16:34 | perldiver | do see those 3 folders inside your /.rockbox folder ? |
| 07:16:43 | Good_Apollo | yeah |
| 07:16:47 | perldiver | check whats inside |
| 07:16:57 | Good_Apollo | theres a lose file, .DS_store |
| 07:17:02 | Good_Apollo | what do i do with that one? |
| 07:17:08 | perldiver | do you see cfg and other related files to the themse you just unpacked? |
| 07:17:17 | Good_Apollo | yes |
| 07:17:53 | perldiver | ds_store, are you on a mac? |
| 07:18:00 | Good_Apollo | nope |
| 07:18:22 | perldiver | how did you get one then heh |
| 07:18:29 | Good_Apollo | not sure.. |
| 07:18:31 | Good_Apollo | lol |
| 07:18:37 | perldiver | aha |
| 07:18:47 | perldiver | probably from the theme author |
| 07:18:47 | Good_Apollo | 0_o |
| 07:19:12 | Good_Apollo | what do you reccomend i do than? |
| 07:19:25 | perldiver | did you try with different themes? |
| 07:19:30 | Good_Apollo | yeah |
| 07:19:30 | Good_Apollo | 2 |
| 07:19:45 | perldiver | do you see both of them insides those folders? |
| 07:20:09 | Good_Apollo | yeah..on the computer, but not on my ipod |
| 07:20:29 | perldiver | what do you mean? |
| 07:20:56 | perldiver | for example |
| 07:21:05 | Good_Apollo | im looking at the files in the drive, USB connected..but then when i unplug it and reboot, it doesnt show up in "browse themes" |
| 07:21:09 | perldiver | inside your /.rockbox/wps folder you should see |
| 07:21:31 | perldiver | a file called whatevertheme.wps |
| 07:21:42 | perldiver | and a folder with the images used |
| 07:21:44 | perldiver | with the same name |
| 07:22:14 | Good_Apollo | let me try extracting it again |
| 07:23:25 | perldiver | insides /.rockbox/themes should be a .cfg file with the same name |
| 07:23:37 | Good_Apollo | hmm..this is very odd |
| 07:23:42 | perldiver | and inside /.rockbox/backdrop an image |
| 07:23:48 | Good_Apollo | i extracted it..its not showing at all now.. |
| 07:23:51 | perldiver | all with the theme name |
| 07:24:05 | Good_Apollo | I understand what you are saying though ^_^ |
| 07:24:07 | perldiver | then you're extracting somewhere else |
| 07:24:14 | perldiver | try this |
| 07:24:24 | perldiver | extract them 1st to a separate folder |
| 07:24:35 | perldiver | make sure you see 3 folders, like i said |
| 07:24:42 | perldiver | if eveything is alright |
| 07:24:47 | perldiver | copy them to your player |
| 07:24:57 | perldiver | in /.rockbox |
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| 07:28:41 | Good_Apollo | yeah..i think i got it d00d, thanks! |
| 07:29:21 | Good_Apollo | the now playing screen doesnt look correct though..must have missed something |
| 07:30:11 | perldiver | did you download the font pack? |
| 07:30:39 | perldiver | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts.zip |
| 07:30:40 | Good_Apollo | not yet |
| 07:30:42 | Good_Apollo | thanks |
| 07:30:43 | perldiver | might help |
| 07:30:56 | Good_Apollo | i just extract that to/.rockbox correct? |
| 07:31:01 | perldiver | yep |
| 07:31:05 | Good_Apollo | kk |
| 07:33:25 | Good_Apollo | still doesnt look right.. |
| 07:34:14 | Good_Apollo | the now playing screen is supposed to look diff |
| 07:35:13 | perldiver | browse to the themes and select it again |
| 07:35:21 | perldiver | reload it |
| 07:35:56 | perldiver | if that doesn't help, then it needs a "custom" build with various patches |
| 07:36:14 | Good_Apollo | didnt work =[ |
| 07:37:53 | Good_Apollo | what kinda patch? |
| 07:37:59 | perldiver | link me to the theme |
| 07:38:13 | Good_Apollo | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts.zip |
| 07:38:16 | Good_Apollo | called Cobalt |
| 07:40:02 | Good_Apollo | find it? |
| 07:41:22 | perldiver | hold on |
| 07:42:09 | perldiver | Requires a build with Album Art and Scrolling Margins I suggest either Senab's build or EvilG's build |
| 07:42:28 | Good_Apollo | where can i find it? |
| 07:42:30 | perldiver | you can find more info here |
| 07:42:34 | perldiver | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?board=36.0 |
| 07:42:51 | Good_Apollo | ok thanks |
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| 07:43:04 | webguest46 | Hello |
| 07:43:17 | Good_Apollo | hi webgeust |
| 07:43:18 | webguest46 | I've got a question please |
| 07:43:43 | Good_Apollo | shoot |
| 07:44:13 | webguest46 | I'm trying to get those icons working: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IconSets |
| 07:44:37 | webguest46 | but it seems that there is just the first one usable |
| 07:44:48 | perldiver | true |
| 07:44:51 | webguest46 | the 2 others need more files, no? |
| 07:44:56 | perldiver | they do |
| 07:45:07 | webguest46 | how can I do please? |
| 07:45:15 | perldiver | its easy to make them yourself though |
| 07:45:28 | perldiver | just look at the 1st one as an example :P |
| 07:45:55 | webguest46 | I just wanted to test now before to go (no time atm for finish the thing) |
| 07:46:30 | webguest46 | how can I get Untitled 12x13x16 working? |
| 07:46:31 | perldiver | then you have to wait till authors update them |
| 07:46:43 | Good_Apollo | whitch post do i see in the link you sent me perldiver? |
| 07:47:05 | perldiver | Good_Apollo try EvilG's |
| 07:47:25 | perldiver | Senab's hasnt been updated for awhile |
| 07:47:38 | Good_Apollo | EvilG-Ice-30G-200704016? |
| 07:47:46 | webguest46 | I'm trying to find some little icons |
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| 07:48:13 | webguest46 | is there any other link that the gallery yet? |
| 07:48:32 | Good_Apollo | Ice build updated SVN April 14 |
| 07:48:32 | Good_Apollo | EvilG-Ice-30G-20070414 |
| 07:49:13 | perldiver | Good_Apollo i dont use ipod so you're on your own there hehe |
| 07:49:19 | Good_Apollo | i already got the .Zip for the first..extract to /.rockbox? |
| 07:49:31 | ptw419 | scramble.c is the tool used to encode a targets firmware right? |
| 07:49:37 | Good_Apollo | nvm |
| 07:49:44 | perldiver | Good_Apollo yes, if there are no additional instructions |
| 07:50:10 | Good_Apollo | it has the folders like a theme..extract to those folders? or just to rockbox |
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| 07:50:59 | perldiver | Good_Apollo just keep the same folder structure |
| 07:52:30 | Good_Apollo | okay..ill have to pick this up tomorrow |
| 07:52:32 | Good_Apollo | bye everyone |
| 07:52:39 | Good_Apollo | and thnx perldiver |
| 07:52:42 | perldiver | np |
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| 07:53:52 | t3chth1rt3n | is anyone here? |
| 07:54:48 | webguest46 | perldriver: any hint please? |
| 07:55:02 | rift | how version of gcc do you use to compile rockboxdev.sh ? |
| 07:55:26 | rift | i have tried with gcc 3.3, gcc 4.1 gcc 3.4 it doesn't work |
| 07:55:32 | perldiver | webguest46 you need an .icon file |
| 07:55:35 | rift | /var/tmp//ccmfhh5o.s:131: Error: no such instruction: `ldr pc,[sp],' |
| 07:55:36 | rift | gmake[3]: *** [crtbegin.o] Error 1 |
| 07:55:37 | rift | gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/root/build-rbdev/build-gcc/gcc' |
| 07:55:53 | ptw419 | can someone tell me what scramble does? |
| 07:55:58 | t3chth1rt3n | so what needs to be done to port rockbox to a different mp3 player? |
| 07:56:02 | scorche | rift: go to CrossCompiler |
| 07:56:04 | perldiver | webguest46 .icons rather |
| 07:56:18 | webguest46 | how shall I made it? |
| 07:56:26 | webguest46 | with on of the wiki set |
| 07:56:44 | perldiver | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/IconSets/tango_viewers.20x16x16.icons |
| 07:56:58 | webguest46 | too big for my screen |
| 07:57:11 | perldiver | thats just an example |
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| 07:57:13 | webguest46 | I was looking for Stephan's one |
| 07:57:14 | perldiver | edit that one |
| 07:57:36 | perldiver | 0 - 1st icon in the viewers bmp |
| 07:57:48 | perldiver | m stands for "main" bmp set |
| 07:58:20 | webguest46 | I must have to wait for an wiki update then, thanks anyway |
| 07:58:29 | webguest46 | (I've got no time atm) |
| 07:58:41 | perldiver | its easier than you think but ok |
| 07:58:59 | * | webguest46 have to go to work ;) |
| 07:59:11 | webguest46 | but feel free to made it for me ;p |
| 07:59:18 | perldiver | hehe |
| 07:59:21 | perldiver | going to bed |
| 07:59:54 | webguest46 | good night then (morning here in europe) |
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| 08:00:32 | perldiver | have fun at work :P |
| 08:00:52 | webguest46 | isn't StefanSaftescu around? |
| 08:00:57 | webguest46 | thanks |
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| 08:03:07 | webguest46 | JdGordon: maybe you can help me please; I'm trying to use StefanSaftescu's cons on the gallery but some files missing, any hint please? |
| 08:03:17 | webguest46 | icons |
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| 08:05:14 | JdGordon | whats the problem? |
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| 08:07:29 | webguest46 | need some files, refering to the explanation, no? |
| 08:08:09 | webguest46 | there are just 2 bmps files |
| 08:08:34 | JdGordon | yes, it needs a .cfg and possibly a .icons file |
| 08:09:13 | webguest46 | is the icons file really needed |
| 08:09:21 | JdGordon | no |
| 08:09:26 | webguest46 | for the config can edit one |
| 08:09:40 | webguest46 | then I can use it just with those 2 files? |
| 08:09:48 | JdGordon | yes |
| 08:10:02 | webguest46 | nice, let's try |
| 08:10:12 | webguest46 | thanks for the hint |
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| 08:13:19 | webguest46 | what is his? :http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/IconSets?rev=1;filename=silk.18x17x16.bmp |
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| 08:16:17 | JdGordon | right click - save as |
| 08:17:50 | * | webguest46 is trying... |
| 08:18:29 | perldiver | JdGordon .icons file is not needed? |
| 08:18:35 | webguest46 | wow working, that's nice |
| 08:18:36 | perldiver | erm |
| 08:18:40 | JdGordon | perldiver: its optinoal |
| 08:18:43 | webguest46 | with just those 2 bmps |
| 08:18:50 | webguest46 | I didn't know |
| 08:18:51 | JdGordon | if your ok with viewers.config then you dont need .icons |
| 08:19:00 | webguest46 | I made one |
| 08:19:29 | perldiver | JdGordon ah i see |
| 08:19:45 | webguest46 | JdGordon: nice works man, thanks again |
| 08:19:49 | webguest46 | bye all |
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| 08:22:58 | * | JdGordon doesnt get magnus's commit :'( |
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| 08:39:58 | pondlife | JdGordon: Sorry, can you explain what the .icons file does again? Is it only required where a non-standard viewers.config is used? |
| 08:40:13 | pondlife | The wiki page isn't very clear on this. |
| 08:40:29 | JdGordon | its to give a supported extension a different icon from either the built in icon or the viewers.config icon |
| 08:42:12 | pondlife | Hmm, so it's like a user-extension of viewers.config, right? |
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| 08:52:56 | hen3rz | Hi guys i was wondering if anyone has looked into the backlight bug in X series players? FS #7037 |
| 08:52:59 | hen3rz | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7037 |
| 08:54:07 | hen3rz | Also are there any Gigabeat X series users online who are experiencing the same problem? |
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| 09:27:25 | linuxstb_ | hen3rz: Very few people (and no developers afaik) own an X - but I think kkurbjun is looking into the problems and needs an X owner to help him test. |
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| 09:29:04 | hen3rz | linuxstb: Im more then willing to help! although im not quite sure on how to apply patches but I'm more then willing to learn. |
| 09:30:43 | linuxstb | hen3rz: OK. Just hang around and try and catch kkurbjun next time he's online. |
| 09:31:08 | hen3rz | okilie |
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| 10:07:04 | SliMM | JdGordon: I have an iconset, but the icons' height is greater than the font's height. What should i do? |
| 10:07:26 | JdGordon | change font |
| 10:07:34 | LinusN | SliMM: shrink the icons or use a larger font |
| 10:07:50 | SliMM | LinusN: damn.. |
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| 10:08:11 | linuxstb | SliMM: How would you expect it to work? |
| 10:09:12 | SliMM | linuxstb: the line's height should be at least the same height as the icon's height |
| 10:09:27 | JdGordon | no, the lines work on the font height |
| 10:09:40 | SliMM | yes, that's the problem.. :) |
| 10:09:54 | JdGordon | not so easy to "fix" though |
| 10:10:08 | SliMM | why's that? |
| 10:10:35 | * | SliMM is shrinking some icons :) |
| 10:10:47 | linuxstb | screen->line_height = MAX(icon_height,font_height); ??? |
| 10:11:35 | JdGordon | oh so it is easy to fix :p |
| 10:11:45 | JdGordon | no there is more than that... |
| 10:11:52 | linuxstb | No, I doubt screen->line_height exists... |
| 10:12:04 | JdGordon | screen->nb_lines is closer... |
| 10:12:17 | JdGordon | but yeah, the lcd driver needs to know the line height iirc |
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| 10:13:03 | SliMM | and what's the sapcing between the lines? |
| 10:13:16 | JdGordon | assuming there is no bad sideeffects with 7036, is there any reason other than it has 2 patches in it to not comit it? |
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| 10:13:28 | JdGordon | SliMM: 1px, i tinhk |
| 10:13:33 | JdGordon | either 1 or 0 |
| 10:13:41 | SliMM | i'll go for one :) |
| 10:14:34 | linuxstb | I thought it was 0 - and fonts have padding in them. But I could be wrong... |
| 10:14:51 | JdGordon | oh, if fonts have padding then its 0 |
| 10:15:11 | linuxstb | As I said, I'm not 100% sure. |
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| 10:23:32 | JdGordon | is cpu boosting "expensive"? I mean, if the oost ratio while playing is 75%+ is there even point enabling the scaling? |
| 10:24:38 | JdGordon | or even 50% (constantly boost - unboosting) |
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| 10:30:13 | amiconn | JdGordon: Did you check my icon fixes? |
| 10:30:49 | JdGordon | I had a quick look, looked find |
| 10:30:52 | JdGordon | fine* |
| 10:30:59 | JdGordon | had to fix lear's commit though |
| 10:31:04 | amiconn | And yes, cpu scaling is useful even if boost ratio is high |
| 10:31:22 | JdGordon | 16bit remote lcd? anyone have one already or just a pipe dream? :) |
| 10:31:40 | amiconn | What's somewhat expensive is the actual switching, so it shouldn't be done too often |
| 10:31:52 | JdGordon | yeah, thats whats happening |
| 10:31:58 | JdGordon | 50% constantly switching |
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| 10:32:37 | amiconn | 16 bit remote lcd is for completeness, and to avoid unexpected effects later. The multi-screen api is designed to be flexible |
| 10:33:14 | linuxstb | If TV-Out support is ever added to Rockbox (e.g. some of the ipods have the ability), then 16-bit second screens will be needed. |
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| 10:35:04 | JdGordon | so we could expect ~3fps on 640x480 ? :D |
| 10:35:20 | linuxstb | If you're lucky. |
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| 10:36:02 | B4gder | 720x576! ;*) |
| 10:36:42 | amiconn | linuxstb: Is this ipod tv out handled as a separate display or does it just mirror the lcd? |
| 10:37:10 | linuxstb | It's a separate framebuffer - in the Apple firmware it doesn't display the main UI, just photos or videos IIUC. |
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| 10:41:34 | amiconn | linuxstb: Do we know the resolution, and how to use it? |
| 10:42:38 | JdGordon | I assume it would be standard tv res.. 640x480 (or 400?) to keep the chip cheap? |
| 10:42:47 | daurnimator | hey all (jd) |
| 10:43:08 | PaulJam | JdGordon: is it normal, that some inbuilt filetypes now only show the correct icon when i specify them in the .icons file? for example fonts use the questionmark/system icon unless i add the line "fnt:*6" to the .icons file. |
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| 10:43:45 | JdGordon | hey daurnimator |
| 10:43:51 | JdGordon | PaulJam: no, thats a bug if thats happening |
| 10:44:17 | JdGordon | can you update your icon pack to show the rockbox logo instead of the music note? and a few icons are just numbers? |
| 10:44:30 | * | JdGordon loves your icon set btw... works well with the icatcher theme |
| 10:45:12 | PaulJam | JdGordon: it is still a work in progress |
| 10:45:53 | amiconn | TV resolution is either 704x480 (ntsc) or 704x576 (pal) afaik |
| 10:46:05 | B4gder | 720x576 |
| 10:46:07 | JdGordon | LinusN: I'm only a small fella, you reckon if I got on a barge now I'd be in sweden on time? Im sure it would cost less than 100 euro :D |
| 10:46:10 | B4gder | for pal |
| 10:46:24 | JdGordon | since when? isnt tv 640x480?? /me was lied to! |
| 10:46:29 | B4gder | nope |
| 10:46:32 | B4gder | it never was |
| 10:46:41 | B4gder | that's VGA |
| 10:46:44 | LinusN | JdGordon: wonderful idea |
| 10:47:21 | * | JdGordon unlearns |
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| 10:47:42 | scorche | JdGordon: find one form the west-coast of north america while you are at it please |
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| 10:48:08 | B4gder | what's a "barge" ? |
| 10:48:12 | t3chth1rt33n | hello? |
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| 10:48:30 | * | B4gder 's poor language skills show |
| 10:48:31 | t3chth1rt33n | ok...where can I find rockbox source code? |
| 10:48:40 | daurnimator | barge = big boat (not massive) for transporting.... stuff |
| 10:48:44 | JdGordon | B4gder: a blank of iron that floats and usually carries rubbish up a river |
| 10:48:58 | daurnimator | "a blank"? |
| 10:49:08 | B4gder | thanks |
| 10:49:12 | JdGordon | bah, plank |
| 10:49:15 | scorche | t3chth1rt33n: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingSVN |
| 10:49:22 | t3chth1rt33n | thanks... |
| 10:49:47 | scorche | "1.a capacious, flat-bottomed vessel, usually intended to be pushed or towed, for transporting freight or passengers; lighter." |
| 10:50:08 | LinusN | t3chth1rt33n: or http://build.rockbox.org/ |
| 10:50:42 | JdGordon | B4gder: do you still have a contact at sandisk? (even if they wernt much help before)? |
| 10:51:17 | B4gder | yeah, I do |
| 10:51:23 | daurnimator | like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b6/CrushedStoneBarge.jpg/250px-CrushedStoneBarge.jpg |
| 10:51:48 | t3chth1rt33n | ok...another question, what do i have to do to port out rockbox? |
| 10:52:06 | B4gder | port out? |
| 10:52:12 | t3chth1rt33n | to the psp |
| 10:52:14 | JdGordon | do you think it would be worth trying once more to get info on how to talk to the mSD card.. explain that at least a few devs want to buy them, but dont see the point if we cant use it? |
| 10:52:28 | B4gder | t3chth1rt33n: doesn't that run linux already? |
| 10:52:30 | * | JdGordon stops beating the dead horse :'( |
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| 10:52:50 | bluebrother | JdGordon: do we know how the card is connected? |
| 10:52:50 | B4gder | JdGordon: totally pointless, they never answered any technical question |
| 10:53:00 | scorche | t3chth1rt33n: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
| 10:53:07 | t3chth1rt33n | yeah...i think so, but the music player sucks |
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| 10:53:26 | * | [IDC]Dragon just wants to say hi, after a while |
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| 10:53:28 | scorche | if it already runs linux, then you have a decent chunk already done for you |
| 10:53:39 | scorche | [IDC]Dragon: well, hey there =) |
| 10:53:46 | JdGordon | bluebrother: iirc the only thing we know is which bit changes when its plugged in |
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| 10:53:57 | scorche | any progress on bootbox? |
| 10:54:05 | t3chth1rt33n | yeah, but i have no clue my way around C or C++ so, this is gona be really hard |
| 10:54:15 | [IDC]Dragon | sniff, no, so many other stuff |
| 10:54:19 | bluebrother | that's not too much :( |
| 10:54:19 | scorche | t3chth1rt33n: well, then learn! ;) |
| 10:54:25 | t3chth1rt33n | plus i need to make it an app, not a firmware |
| 10:54:25 | t3chth1rt33n | yeah...really |
| 10:54:33 | t3chth1rt33n | this is how i plan to leard |
| 10:54:36 | t3chth1rt33n | *learn |
| 10:54:44 | scorche | t3chth1rt33n: well, rockbox is a replacement firmware...not an application |
| 10:54:50 | [IDC]Dragon | I need to rework the bootloader for my house, before that |
| 10:54:56 | t3chth1rt33n | yeah...thats what i have to change |
| 10:55:14 | t3chth1rt33n | have no clue how yet though, but ill figure it out |
| 10:55:14 | B4gder | t3chth1rt33n: so build the simulator and run that on the psp |
| 10:55:17 | linuxstb | scorche: The Rockbox UI sim is an application... |
| 10:55:20 | bluebrother | t3chth1rt33n: it's not intended for that, and I don't think this is feasible at all |
| 10:55:20 | B4gder | all you need is sdl |
| 10:55:21 | [IDC]Dragon | (I'm coming closer to opensource my home control stuff) |
| 10:55:35 | scorche | linuxstb: i was getting to that, but i was beaten ;) |
| 10:55:37 | t3chth1rt33n | whats the UI sim? |
| 10:55:49 | bluebrother | see the UiSimulator wiki page |
| 10:55:55 | linuxstb | A version of Rockbox built to run as an application on your PC. |
| 10:55:59 | bluebrother | it's main purpose is for debugging. |
| 10:56:21 | t3chth1rt33n | cool...so what do i have to change as far as button controls and stuff? |
| 10:56:22 | bluebrother | it replaces the device hardware specific stuff with calls to the OS |
| 10:56:48 | t3chth1rt33n | what else do i have to change/modify? |
| 10:57:15 | * | bluebrother doesn't understand why people want to port Rockbox to an application |
| 10:57:29 | amiconn | hi [IDC]Dragon :) |
| 10:57:33 | * | scorche is reminded of the windows CE guy |
| 10:57:37 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Because good media players are hard to find. |
| 10:57:38 | t3chth1rt33n | have u tryed the psps music player? |
| 10:57:55 | bluebrother | scorche: did he succeed in any way? |
| 10:58:07 | [IDC]Dragon | Hi Jens! |
| 10:58:10 | bluebrother | linuxstb: I know why I prefer a dap for playing music ;-) |
| 10:58:15 | scorche | bluebrother: i dont think he even made an effort beyond extolling the virtues of CE in here |
| 10:58:17 | JdGordon | bluebrother: a few portable devices run sdl apps and have crap audio players.. gp2x people want it also |
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| 10:58:35 | t3chth1rt33n | so...how do i do this? |
| 10:58:40 | bluebrother | hmm... me doesn't own such a device. |
| 10:58:41 | t3chth1rt33n | how do i get started? |
| 10:58:43 | t3chth1rt33n | lol |
| 10:58:47 | JdGordon | figure out how to cross compile sdl for you device |
| 10:58:54 | t3chth1rt33n | ??? |
| 10:58:58 | bluebrother | no need for it, and no money for playing around ;-) |
| 10:59:02 | JdGordon | once youve got that working come back for next step |
| 10:59:15 | linuxstb | t3chth1rt33n: You should start by downloading the Rockbox source, building a UI simulator for a random device, and start playing... |
| 10:59:16 | t3chth1rt33n | wtf r u talking about? |
| 10:59:28 | bluebrother | maybe add step 0, be able compiling and running your own code on the device |
| 10:59:32 | [IDC]Dragon | I can't join devcon 2007, I'm on holiday then (besides being rockbox-passive almost since last devcon) |
| 10:59:37 | B4gder | t3chth1rt33n: please write proper english |
| 10:59:50 | t3chth1rt33n | ok, sorry |
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| 11:00:27 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Will you attend devcon? |
| 11:00:47 | t3chth1rt33n | bluebrother: i want to start big...i dont like making my own stuff |
| 11:00:57 | Llorean | JdGordon: I'm seeing all of my builtin filetypes (mp3, m3u, flac, etc) as ? icons (or rather the icon I've set to replace the ?) |
| 11:00:58 | JdGordon | daurnimator: did you get anywhere with the zaurus and the sim? |
| 11:01:07 | bluebrother | t3chth1rt33n: starting big is condemned to fail |
| 11:01:09 | daurnimator | my zaurus broke |
| 11:01:14 | scorche | amiconn: see up a few lines |
| 11:01:15 | bluebrother | unless you have enough experience |
| 11:01:15 | daurnimator | it... won't turn on |
| 11:01:35 | t3chth1rt33n | true...but this is my goal i guess |
| 11:01:35 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: see 3 lines above ;-) |
| 11:01:44 | amiconn | :/ |
| 11:01:45 | JdGordon | Llorean: do you know if my last commit did this? or since when? |
| 11:01:56 | bluebrother | and if you can't run your own code on the device you won't be able getting the sim to run on it too |
| 11:02:21 | t3chth1rt33n | yeah, ok so i need to get the psp running my code |
| 11:02:41 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: you guys are compensating, two Arnolds |
| 11:03:37 | Llorean | JdGordon: It was somewhere between svn revision 13180 and 13190 I think. It worked fine yesterday, I got on as you and Amiconn were fixing things, downloaded shortly after you left, had the problem, left a message for you in the logs, slept, came back now, still have the problem with the current SVN. |
| 11:03:41 | t3chth1rt33n | but the thing about that is i like to see other peoples work before I start my own...thats why I wanted to see RockBoxs code, then it just snowballed from there |
| 11:03:42 | bluebrother | a simple hello world program should be enough. |
| 11:04:01 | bluebrother | it would also ensure that your toolchain is working properly ;-) |
| 11:04:05 | t3chth1rt33n | yeah...but i cant get any dev programs to work...lol |
| 11:04:15 | t3chth1rt33n | i mean laugh out loud |
| 11:04:22 | LinusN | :-) |
| 11:04:39 | JdGordon | Llorean: ok ta, ill have a looksie |
| 11:04:56 | B4gder | t3chth1rt33n: rockbox is only some 370000 lines of code, should keep you busy for a while if you want to read it ;-) |
| 11:05:12 | Llorean | JdGordon: I can set them in the .icons file, but if I don't set any of the built in filetypes, all of them (or at least all of the files on my device that I know are built in types) use the ? icon. Menus seem fine though. |
| 11:05:22 | t3chth1rt33n | I need a good tutorial on getting cygwin running? |
| 11:05:34 | Llorean | JdGordon: And now that I think of it, plugins and themes are fine... =/ |
| 11:05:35 | JdGordon | Llorean: ok, yeah, PaulJam (?) mentioned it before |
| 11:05:43 | LinusN | t3chth1rt33n: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex |
| 11:05:46 | B4gder | t3chth1rt33n: you'll find almost everyting Rockbox-related documented in our wiki |
| 11:05:47 | t3chth1rt33n | 8-0 |
| 11:05:49 | Llorean | JdGordon: It's just music, and m3us |
| 11:06:05 | JdGordon | which are not in your .icons file probably? |
| 11:07:07 | Llorean | Not in my icons, no |
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| 11:07:20 | Llorean | If I add them to the .icons file, I can make them display |
| 11:08:36 | PaulJam_ | JdGordon: it seems to happen to all inbuilt filetypes, that are not in the viewers.config |
| 11:09:03 | Llorean | PaulJam_: Go to "Browse Plugins" |
| 11:09:09 | Llorean | Do those have the plugin icon, or the ? |
| 11:09:56 | t3chth1rt33n | ok...im going to go look into the wiki, download the sourcecode, and learn psp coding...good night! |
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| 11:10:41 | LinusN | well, at least he has ambition... |
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| 11:11:21 | PaulJam_ | Llorean: they show up as system/questionmark if i remove the entry from the .icons |
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| 11:12:54 | Llorean | Oh wow, I'm completely blind. |
| 11:12:55 | JdGordon | Ah, i know the problem |
| 11:13:02 | * | Llorean should be half ignored. |
| 11:13:48 | Llorean | PaulJam_: I was using your .icons file, since I had overwritten your viewers icons (they're the right size for what I'm doing, and it was easier to recognize them and overwrite them than recognize the builtin bmp's purposes) |
| 11:14:04 | Llorean | And I'm just completely blind to the fact that rock and cfg were in it, even though I looked for them. =/ |
| 11:16:13 | JdGordon | easy fix |
| 11:16:13 | * | amiconn just uses the default icons, which work fine now |
| 11:16:20 | amiconn | No .icons file |
| 11:16:33 | JdGordon | no .icons == no problem :) |
| 11:17:32 | JdGordon | fixed in svn |
| 11:20:49 | * | [IDC]Dragon reads PSP |
| 11:20:58 | | Quit inversions (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) |
| 11:20:59 | [IDC]Dragon | I missed the first part of it |
| 11:21:20 | [IDC]Dragon | is it "open", as in running own code? |
| 11:23:14 | scorche | http://df38.dot5hosting.com/~remember/chris/ |
| 11:23:38 | Llorean | [IDC]Dragon: Yes, and no |
| 11:23:53 | * | scorche points to the link above |
| 11:24:03 | Llorean | [IDC]Dragon: Ever month or two someone figures out how to get code running on a slightly newer firmware version, and Sony releases a newer, more restrictive firmware. |
| 11:24:27 | Llorean | If you run the original 1.5 firmware (or 1.0 in Japan) you're pretty much restriction free on what you can run on it. |
| 11:24:38 | scorche | yeah...that one points to 1.5 |
| 11:25:10 | LinusN | how do they force the users to use the newer firmwares? |
| 11:25:16 | Llorean | LinusN: New games require them. |
| 11:25:20 | LinusN | i see |
| 11:25:30 | Llorean | When a new firmware comes out, newer games start complaining if you're not running it. |
| 11:25:38 | Llorean | So of course the community creates ways around this. |
| 11:25:42 | bluebrother | "initial port of SDL" sounds like there is quite some work left |
| 11:25:43 | Llorean | It's all a big, pointless war. |
| 11:26:28 | Llorean | But Sony honestly seems to be lightening up (in a slightly related way). One of the big benefits of Homebrew is that you could run video at the full PSP resolution, rather than the 320x240 sony limited you to (so that their UMD disks were actually worth buying) |
| 11:27:06 | Llorean | They recently updated to allow users to watch 720x480 H.264 movies, scaled to the PSP's screen (or native-PSP resolution ones), which kinda suggests to me that Sony's rethinking their strategy on it after 2 years. |
| 11:27:16 | Llorean | Since the PS3 runs Linux, they might consider opening it up. |
| 11:29:54 | PaulJam_ | JdGordon: do the remote viewers icons use the .icons file from the main viewers icons? in other words, if i change the order of the viewers icons, do i have to provide the remote viewers icons with the same order |
| 11:30:06 | JdGordon | yes |
| 11:30:12 | JdGordon | and no easy way around that |
| 11:30:18 | PaulJam_ | ok |
| 11:30:43 | Llorean | I don't think it's a large hindrance anyway |
| 11:30:57 | JdGordon | ... because filetypes.c doesnt know which screen the icon is for... |
| 11:31:15 | * | JdGordon back later |
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| 11:32:16 | Sna[E] | hi |
| 11:32:35 | Sna[E] | who do i aplly rockcalendar.patch |
| 11:32:52 | bluebrother | you need to compile your own build |
| 11:33:03 | Sna[E] | mm |
| 11:33:07 | bluebrother | see the wiki, look for the SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 11:33:09 | Sna[E] | thats mean that? |
| 11:33:25 | bluebrother | that means some work |
| 11:33:41 | bluebrother | you apply a patch to the source code, then you need to recompile the source |
| 11:33:54 | bluebrother | which requires you to setup a complete development environment |
| 11:34:41 | Sna[E] | its sound hard |
| 11:34:56 | Llorean | JdGordon: Yeah, fixed, thanks. :) |
| 11:35:13 | bluebrother | it isn't too hard if you have done such stuff before, but if you are a user without any programming experience it might be hard |
| 11:35:32 | LinusN | then again, patchers are for developers, not users |
| 11:35:36 | LinusN | patches |
| 11:35:55 | bluebrother | right ... patches in our terms means source patches, not binary patches |
| 11:36:00 | Sna[E] | i haved done it b4 |
| 11:36:22 | Sna[E] | i just want a rockcalendar.patch to my 340 |
| 11:36:37 | LinusN | i'm sure you do |
| 11:36:52 | bluebrother | done "it" before means compiling from source? |
| 11:37:10 | Sna[E] | i havent done. |
| 11:37:23 | bluebrother | ah. ok. |
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| 11:38:03 | bluebrother | you might want to look around for an experimental build that includes the patch. But I don't think there is a recent one around. |
| 11:38:44 | Sna[E] | i try n old version |
| 11:38:49 | Sna[E] | but it didnt fit. |
| 11:39:09 | bluebrother | you can't just try an older version. You need a build that ships the plugin |
| 11:39:36 | bluebrother | but what exactly did you try? Using a binary plugin with a different build it was compiled for? |
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| 11:39:50 | Sna[E] | no |
| 11:40:06 | Sna[E] | i had n old rocokbox verion |
| 11:40:17 | Sna[E] | so i copy the rockclander from her |
| 11:40:40 | bluebrother | you can't just copy binary plugins. You'll get an "incompatible version" message |
| 11:41:04 | Sna[E] | yep. |
| 11:41:15 | Sna[E] | well im not a computer men. |
| 11:41:33 | Sna[E] | so its kind of hard for me |
| 11:41:54 | bluebrother | well, in that case you could only search for a build that ships the plugin. |
| 11:42:10 | bluebrother | but as I already said, I don't think there is a recent one around. I might be wrong about this though. |
| 11:42:23 | Sna[E] | ok |
| 11:42:26 | Sna[E] | thanks |
| 11:42:30 | bluebrother | search the "unsupported builds" in the forums, might have some information |
| 11:42:34 | bluebrother | about this. |
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| 12:18:44 | crop | WPS experts here? Is there an explanation about what wps lines really produce a line on the screen? E.g. the tag for the status bar doesn't (iirc). Are there other such tags? |
| 12:19:33 | Topic | "Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcGuidelines | Rockbox Devcon 2007 - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevCon2007 | DevCon-West: Static Info - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevConWest2007 Discussion - On the Dev-ML" by scorche (i=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
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| 12:20:13 | Llorean | crop: The only tags that should take up lines are ones that produce text, or ones that are a whole line (progress bar, peakmeters) I believe. |
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| 12:21:33 | pixelma | ooh another of scorche's famous long topics... ;) |
| 12:21:42 | scorche | hush, you =P |
| 12:21:48 | crop | Llorean: but an empty line also takes up a line. So it's not obvious. |
| 12:21:53 | scorche | most of the topics have been mine lately... |
| 12:23:47 | Llorean | crop: I think that's pretty obvious. Real text also takes up space. |
| 12:24:03 | Llorean | crop: If you insert an empty line, it's assumed to be an intentional empty line, ie, spacer. |
| 12:24:10 | Llorean | Remember, WPSes use line-based positioning. |
| 12:24:38 | Llorean | The only lines that don't add lines are lines that are nothing but non-text/non-bar tags |
| 12:26:52 | pondlife | ...If only the Rockbox fund contained hours as well as Euros.... |
| 12:26:58 | Llorean | Hahaha |
| 12:27:15 | Llorean | They'd be flying out faster than they came in, if people could donate 'em. :) |
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| 12:27:42 | pondlife | Well some people must have "spare time". An alien concept to me sadly. |
| 12:27:49 | B4gder | if poeple would donate a whole lot more, we could hire people to work for Rockbox! ;-) |
| 12:28:07 | pondlife | lol |
| 12:28:30 | Llorean | Ah, this is true. |
| 12:28:35 | pondlife | I was looking at the new lure on the DevCon page.... but cash itself isn't the problem. |
| 12:28:36 | Llorean | You can buy time, if you try hard enough |
| 12:28:41 | B4gder | with the current fund i bet we can get a week from someone |
| 12:29:05 | scorche | B4gder: what is it up to now? |
| 12:29:07 | Llorean | The new lure is nice, but it's late enough in the game that prices have increased to match the lure. ;) Planning on it for next year might be nice though. |
| 12:29:10 | pondlife | Hah, a week wouldn't even get the playback work off the ground... |
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| 12:29:15 | B4gder | ~4000 USD iirc |
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| 12:29:20 | scorche | not bad.. |
| 12:29:29 | crop | Llorean: I still find it a bit confusing. |
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| 12:29:52 | Llorean | crop: Any text, including newlines, will be treated as text, unless the ONLY thing on the line is a newline and a non-text tag. |
| 12:30:16 | Llorean | If the tag generates text, or generates a "bar" (progress, peakmeter), these also generate lines. |
| 12:30:59 | crop | Llorean: and images aren't considered text? |
| 12:31:05 | pondlife | Time is worthless to those who have plenty to donate, but priceless to those who don't. So the exchange rate is chaotic. |
| 12:31:18 | Llorean | crop: An image isn't text... |
| 12:31:29 | B4gder | pondlife: indeed one of life's ironies |
| 12:31:48 | pondlife | Oh to be unemployed again... ;p |
| 12:31:54 | B4gder | hahaha |
| 12:31:55 | * | pondlife shouldn't make wishes like that |
| 12:32:07 | scorche | pondlife: want to trade? ;) |
| 12:32:11 | pondlife | But when I was last unemployed I hadn't heard of Rockbox. |
| 12:32:18 | pondlife | scorche: Tempting. |
| 12:32:30 | pondlife | In fact it probably didn't exist. |
| 12:32:52 | pondlife | Did Rockbox exist before 2001? |
| 12:33:00 | B4gder | no |
| 12:33:12 | pondlife | Obviously not named Rockbox :) |
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| 12:34:05 | B4gder | we started in dec 2001 |
| 12:34:22 | pondlife | I see that from the ML, but wondered if there had been much prior hacking. |
| 12:34:50 | B4gder | it hadn't, there was some but that was only a few days before the mails started |
| 12:35:11 | B4gder | afair |
| 12:35:16 | pondlife | And it has been non-stop busy-ness ever since. Awesome. |
| 12:36:40 | * | B4gder recalls the devcon 2002 in linusn's appartment... |
| 12:37:06 | preglow | hah |
| 12:37:11 | pondlife | I thought DevCon was a "recent" thing. |
| 12:37:12 | preglow | had plenty of "devcons" like that |
| 12:37:22 | preglow | trying to do scene stuff :> |
| 12:37:51 | B4gder | pondlife: well, it was more of a fun thing to call it devcon back then and it only recently became "real" devcons, yes |
| 12:38:47 | pondlife | You mean real devcons are not fun?? |
| 12:38:58 | B4gder | correct, just hard work and sweat! |
| 12:39:01 | B4gder | :-P |
| 12:39:08 | pondlife | Thank goodness I can't make it then!! |
| 12:39:22 | pondlife | I thought it would be all beer pizza and hacking. |
| 12:39:37 | pondlife | Erm. beer, pizza... not beer pizza |
| 12:39:44 | crop | Llorean: I was always uncertain about what my wps would look like. In the end I got it right but the was no self confidence from the beginning on. |
| 12:39:57 | crop | Llorean: I've modified the wiki page |
| 12:40:19 | Llorean | crop: I've never found it particularly confusing, but then I used it pre-graphics. |
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| 12:40:32 | B4gder | pondlife: it was more like the word "developer conference" was a bit of an overstatement when it was just us Swedens gathering one day |
| 12:40:42 | B4gder | Swedes |
| 12:40:50 | scorche | bork bork! |
| 12:40:53 | pondlife | Hey, Swedes can be developers too, right? |
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| 12:41:07 | B4gder | no, we can only make meatballs and say bork |
| 12:41:15 | pondlife | Of course! |
| 12:41:24 | Llorean | And form giant companies that sell constructible furniture? |
| 12:41:36 | pondlife | And three people is surely enough for a conference... hence "conference call". |
| 12:41:46 | B4gder | Llorean: they sell meatballs too you know ;-) |
| 12:41:51 | pondlife | Or two... hence "conference pair" (groan) |
| 12:42:04 | Llorean | B4gder: I discovered that recently. They opened one in my town, so I decided to visit. |
| 12:42:05 | pondlife | Constructible meatballs |
| 12:42:12 | scorche | Llorean: apparently a place named H&M opened up around here recently too...described as a cheap swedish retailer of clothing |
| 12:42:32 | pondlife | We have H&M... Mrs pondlife tried to take me there once. |
| 12:42:44 | scorche | IKEA is the saviour of many future dorm-goes |
| 12:42:44 | Llorean | B4gder: I learned an important lesson. Swedes are 5 feet / 150cm tall. Or at least, every chair in the store seemed built to that assumption. |
| 12:42:51 | safetydan | Iteresting "fact" for the day. According to sloccount, Rockbox cost USD$16,000,000 to develop and took 36.04 developers 3.29 years |
| 12:42:53 | B4gder | haha |
| 12:42:55 | safetydan | interesting even |
| 12:43:04 | * | B4gder is 6 feet 4 |
| 12:43:07 | pondlife | I want my money back :) |
| 12:43:58 | Llorean | Maybe you guys are so tall, we just look shorter than we are in comparison then. |
| 12:44:00 | Llorean | :) |
| 12:44:09 | B4gder | *g* |
| 12:44:30 | B4gder | "those guys over there are so short we export the kids furniture that way" |
| 12:44:56 | pondlife | Perhaps they keep the good chairs and export the stunted ones |
| 12:44:56 | * | scorche points to japan |
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| 12:45:38 | Llorean | Seriously, I walked through the entire store thinking "I wish they made these in grownup sizes" |
| 12:45:46 | pondlife | In 2004, Ikea (allegedly) gave all their employees MP3 players.... there, almost back on topic. Ref: http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article2079345.ece |
| 12:45:47 | * | safetydan used to live in a flat entirely furnished by Ikea |
| 12:46:06 | preglow | many do |
| 12:46:06 | pixelma | /join #ikea ;) |
| 12:46:25 | Llorean | pondlife: It would've been neat if it was loaded with an Ikea themed Rockbox |
| 12:46:30 | B4gder | it doesn't say which mp3 player it was |
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| 12:46:33 | safetydan | Wasn't my choice, good ol' pre-furnished rental flats |
| 12:46:33 | Llorean | Extra, extra Swedish. |
| 12:46:41 | pondlife | Yes, maybe they can sell Rockbox worldwide |
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| 12:46:47 | pondlife | Rockborks |
| 12:47:20 | scorche | pondlife++ |
| 12:47:21 | JdGordon | there is a bork bork translation on FS btw... |
| 12:47:39 | pondlife | Have you tried using it though? |
| 12:47:53 | * | JdGordon doesnt speak bork! |
| 12:47:57 | preglow | klingon translation, please |
| 12:48:08 | safetydan | JdGordon: really? Now we just need a esperanto and a klingon translation |
| 12:48:16 | JdGordon | we have esparonto |
| 12:48:24 | markun | was just about to say that :) |
| 12:48:29 | safetydan | well I'll be darned |
| 12:48:34 | JdGordon | klignon could be done easily if there is a script like bork bork |
| 12:49:19 | safetydan | Just need a klingon font. I have a vague recollection that the klingon characters actually made it in to the Unicode spec. |
| 12:49:25 | pixelma | JdGordon: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6360 |
| 12:49:28 | markun | JdGordon: you mean a fake klingon translation? |
| 12:49:38 | JdGordon | thats the one pixelma |
| 12:49:55 | pondlife | Anyone know anything about this?... http://store.makezine.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=MKMP3KIT |
| 12:50:06 | pondlife | A DIY open-source MP3 player |
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| 12:50:23 | JdGordon | markun: there is a real klingon? |
| 12:50:33 | scorche | pondlife: i saw that, but is basically a simplified shuffle |
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| 12:50:42 | Llorean | pondlife: That the CompactFlash based one? |
| 12:50:50 | pondlife | Yes, I think so |
| 12:51:01 | B4gder | Microchip PIC18F45j10 based |
| 12:51:02 | pondlife | It was "open-source" that got me. |
| 12:51:21 | markun | JdGordon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klingon_language |
| 12:51:54 | markun | sometimes it is even claimed that there are more klingon speakers than esperanto speakers |
| 12:51:54 | JdGordon | WTF? it got ISO? |
| 12:52:05 | JdGordon | bunch of nerds! |
| 12:52:20 | markun | JdGordon: http://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klingona_lingvo |
| 12:52:23 | markun | :) |
| 12:52:27 | B4gder | I like it how the "here is the source code" points to a single C source file |
| 12:52:41 | pondlife | Yep. KISS at its best |
| 12:52:51 | * | preglow goes to have some qagh for lunch |
| 12:53:11 | markun | I vote for a single C source file for rockbox as well, with a lot of ifdefs :) |
| 12:53:19 | pondlife | Hehe |
| 12:53:34 | pondlife | SVN fun indeed |
| 12:53:41 | B4gder | http://www.walrus.com/~raphael/mp3/Daisy_mp3/daisy1.2_1.3Frozen.c |
| 12:53:53 | B4gder | we can replace rockbox with that instead |
| 12:54:06 | B4gder | see the last function, that's the best one |
| 12:54:17 | Llorean | B4gder: Or offer it as "Rockbox Lite" |
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| 12:54:26 | markun | :) |
| 12:54:47 | markun | B4gder: what a rediculous easter egg :) |
| 12:55:00 | B4gder | I agree |
| 12:55:18 | pondlife | lolololol |
| 12:55:33 | scorche | haha....oh wow... |
| 12:55:48 | pondlife | We need a void king_of_france(char) in playback.c |
| 12:56:04 | pondlife | And now I want pie for lunch |
| 12:56:11 | scorche | he would eat all of our pie though.... |
| 12:56:38 | [IDC]Dragon | those PIC projects are nice for learning how to code a minimalistic file system (/me thinks bootbox again :-) |
| 12:56:39 | B4gder | it uses an mp3/wav decoder chip |
| 12:56:53 | B4gder | VS1011 |
| 12:57:14 | markun | cheaters |
| 12:57:25 | [IDC]Dragon | very common, it took over the MAS market |
| 12:57:44 | B4gder | the PIC is running at 40MHz |
| 12:57:48 | [IDC]Dragon | since it's still avail, MAS isn't |
| 12:57:51 | JdGordon | [IDC]Dragon: have you got something working for bootbox? so if you dont have time for it others can pick it up? |
| 12:58:32 | [IDC]Dragon | not really. I have a stripped down code tree of Rockbox, which cut the bootbox size in half |
| 12:58:45 | [IDC]Dragon | but I don't like that way any more |
| 12:58:52 | preglow | well, it works now |
| 12:58:53 | preglow | heh |
| 12:59:03 | preglow | and we rather drastically need size cuts |
| 12:59:25 | [IDC]Dragon | instead, I wanted to code new from scratch, with "codesize matters" written all over the place |
| 12:59:28 | scorche | ...to make up for all the recent bloating? ;) |
| 12:59:35 | pondlife | #ifdef HAVE_CONFIGURABLE_ICONS...? |
| 12:59:46 | pondlife | ;) |
| 12:59:56 | [IDC]Dragon | rockbox has a "bloat rate" of 500 bytes per week, or so |
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| 13:00:14 | scorche | this has been a large week... |
| 13:00:50 | pondlife | I'd like to see a graph of code size over the years. |
| 13:00:51 | JdGordon | 500bytes is not bad per week... and pondlife there is far bigger wastes than icons |
| 13:00:59 | pondlife | JdGordon: Just joking |
| 13:01:07 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, a graph would be über-cool |
| 13:01:09 | pondlife | I like the icon feature |
| 13:01:29 | pondlife | [IDC]Dragon: Is it growing linearly, or better, or worse? |
| 13:01:42 | [IDC]Dragon | dunno, see the graph |
| 13:01:50 | * | scorche would like some weekly, monthly, and yearly links ;) |
| 13:01:56 | [IDC]Dragon | bagder, are those values kept? |
| 13:02:11 | B4gder | nope |
| 13:02:12 | * | pondlife thinks that monthly builds would be more use than daily ones all round |
| 13:02:28 | JdGordon | yearly is silly, but last week, fortnight and month would be nice to have |
| 13:02:48 | B4gder | feel free to provide such services ;-) |
| 13:03:20 | pondlife | I have HD space, but the most useless outbound speed. |
| 13:03:21 | JdGordon | where is the raw data? |
| 13:03:39 | B4gder | for what? the bin sizes? |
| 13:04:00 | JdGordon | yeah, ah its linked |
| 13:04:04 | pixelma | B4gder: didn't tucoz provide such a graph (or something like this)? But I bet it's way out-of-date... |
| 13:04:25 | B4gder | he made the svnstat thing |
| 13:04:33 | B4gder | but that was just a single-shot run |
| 13:04:53 | pixelma | ah yes - that's what I remembered |
| 13:05:15 | B4gder | http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/svn/ |
| 13:06:23 | * | scorche attempts to guess the large jumps |
| 13:06:50 | B4gder | http://build.rockbox.org/dist/listsizes.cgi lists all tables with bin sizes |
| 13:06:56 | pondlife | April 2006 was a big one |
| 13:06:56 | B4gder | that currently exists |
| 13:06:57 | * | JdGordon was thinking the same thing |
| 13:07:10 | scorche | yeah... |
| 13:07:29 | B4gder | codec imports |
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| 13:07:47 | pondlife | So no core BIN increase. |
| 13:08:06 | B4gder | the svn page is about source code, not bin size |
| 13:08:07 | pondlife | lol ... http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/svn/dir_firmware_malloc.html |
| 13:09:19 | JdGordon | B4gder: how often are the size logs deleted? |
| 13:09:22 | linuxstb | Are the sizes the build system calculates the "real" (i.e. important wrt rombox etc) sizes? |
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| 13:09:47 | B4gder | linuxstb: they are the "main" binary file's actual size as listed by unzip |
| 13:10:08 | [IDC]Dragon | hey, I wrote 3.4% of Rockbox |
| 13:10:32 | JdGordon | 0.8% here :) |
| 13:10:57 | * | scorche guesses 0.003% for himself |
| 13:10:59 | [IDC]Dragon | wth did dave do? |
| 13:11:15 | B4gder | dave is linuxstb |
| 13:11:17 | markun | import the codecs maybe? :) |
| 13:11:20 | B4gder | kind of the codec importers ;-) |
| 13:11:22 | B4gder | king |
| 13:11:28 | [IDC]Dragon | cheater |
| 13:11:33 | markun | for me it was only Tremor :) |
| 13:11:33 | scorche | and doom |
| 13:11:42 | JdGordon | so you guys owe me 1.2million bux :) |
| 13:11:46 | JdGordon | no that cant be right |
| 13:12:07 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 13:12:09 | scorche | not near.. |
| 13:12:47 | * | B4gder cancels the payment then |
| 13:12:47 | markun | jethead71 is jhMikeS right? |
| 13:12:47 | B4gder | yes |
| 13:12:47 | JdGordon | yeah, 100x off... 12800$ |
| 13:13:42 | markun | a now google will add another $2000 to our treasure chest |
| 13:13:55 | scorche | provided they are successful |
| 13:13:57 | linuxstb | So how many lines of code are our students required to produce? |
| 13:14:00 | markun | scorche: no |
| 13:14:22 | scorche | markun: well, provided mentors are successful i should say |
| 13:14:23 | markun | we'll get it even if they are not successful |
| 13:14:46 | scorche | if the mentors get horrible "reviews" then we do not get it |
| 13:15:21 | markun | ah, I'll better do my best then |
| 13:15:25 | pondlife | Who writes the reviews, the students? |
| 13:15:33 | scorche | pondlife: yup |
| 13:15:51 | markun | so far I'm getting along quite well with mine |
| 13:15:54 | pondlife | Imagine if Real Life university was like that... |
| 13:15:55 | scorche | the mentors write about the students, and the students write about the mentors |
| 13:16:05 | Llorean | linuxstb: I don't believe there's a set number of lines, so much as whether they progress effectively. |
| 13:16:05 | scorche | and B4gder gets to read them all ;) |
| 13:16:18 | pondlife | and LinusN gets to rewrite them all ;) |
| 13:16:37 | scorche | and in the darkness bind them... |
| 13:16:53 | B4gder | I'll edit them all to mention me in favourable ways |
| 13:17:00 | linuxstb | Llorean: I was joking about the "cost" of producing Rockbox ($16,000,000) and the number of current lines of code (558339 in Jan 2007).... |
| 13:18:01 | linuxstb | Which I think means $4500 is 140 lines of code... |
| 13:18:07 | pondlife | $28/line? That had better be a joke |
| 13:18:39 | scorche | return; |
| 13:18:44 | scorche | where can i collect my check? |
| 13:18:44 | JdGordon | B4gder: Llorean: can I commit a fix so the scroll wheel only triggers one per click (like the OF?) instead of twice? |
| 13:19:33 | JdGordon | pondlife: i was tought that IRL, coders only net about 5 lines/hour... so $28 doesnt sound too far wrong |
| 13:19:53 | Llorean | linuxstb: Oh, sorry, only half paying attention. :) |
| 13:19:56 | B4gder | yeah, you need to take the whole engineering process into account |
| 13:19:58 | pondlife | I suppose there are lots of other lines that have been deleted too. |
| 13:20:10 | Llorean | JdGordon: Yes. |
| 13:20:23 | preglow | and in something as big as rockbox, you can't just think that one line written stays forever |
| 13:20:27 | Llorean | JdGordon: Since the scrollwheel has "positions", those positions should be 1 "click" |
| 13:20:28 | pondlife | If I were to simplify playback.c and remove half of the code, would I owe Rockbox lots of $? |
| 13:20:36 | JdGordon | I think it will make SCROLL|BUTTON_REPEAT impossible though |
| 13:20:51 | JdGordon | pondlife: haha, thats why LOC is such a stupid metric |
| 13:20:57 | Llorean | JdGordon: Ah, well, um, then hold off until there's a better way, I think |
| 13:21:04 | markun | JdGordon: a fix or a hack? |
| 13:21:16 | Llorean | Sounds like a hack if it breaks REPEAT |
| 13:21:23 | JdGordon | markun: you say potato, i say potato... |
| 13:21:28 | JdGordon | wait.. that doesnt work on irc :p |
| 13:21:40 | markun | ;) |
| 13:22:27 | scorche | pot.a.to' pot.a'.to would work |
| 13:22:36 | JdGordon | http://rafb.net/p/3JZOrt26.html is the diff |
| 13:22:57 | pondlife | jdgordon: No idea why but you put "manah manah" in my head. |
| 13:23:06 | pondlife | 'tis witchcraft |
| 13:23:17 | scorche | do doooooo do do do |
| 13:23:46 | markun | scorche: I thought the idea was that the 'a' was pronounced differently, not the stress.. |
| 13:24:14 | scorche | markun: i attempted to come close |
| 13:24:15 | markun | ah no, that's with tomato :) |
| 13:24:52 | * | JdGordon is a dill... you cant test button values in the sim :p |
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| 13:25:23 | * | scorche realizes he is only capable of outputting "noise" at this hour and so goes to sleep |
| 13:26:58 | JdGordon | Llorean: yeah, it does break repeat.. |
| 13:27:05 | * | JdGordon gets back to the drawing board |
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| 13:28:50 | * | JdGordon doesnt actually know if button_repeat is ever triggered anyway for the scroll wheel |
| 13:29:05 | Llorean | JdGordon: Isn't button-repeat used to keep it from going past the top/bottom of lists? |
| 13:29:36 | JdGordon | yes |
| 13:29:49 | JdGordon | but that doesnt work on the sansa does it? |
| 13:30:05 | pondlife | That reminds me... H300 PLAY+UP/DOWN doesn't stop at the top or bottom... it probably should. |
| 13:30:34 | JdGordon | yep... the sansa doesnt trigger repeat ont he wheel anyway |
| 13:33:06 | Llorean | JdGordon: Ah, =/ |
| 13:33:37 | JdGordon | ill commit this, then see about getting that working... unless there is a reason it doesnt trigger? |
| 13:35:40 | PaulJam_ | hmm, is there a list of which icon is used for which filetype with the default viewer icons? |
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| 13:36:31 | JdGordon | viewers.config |
| 13:37:00 | PaulJam_ | thanks |
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| 13:38:44 | JdGordon | btn = btn&(~(BUTTON_SCROLL_UP|BUTTON_SCROLL_DOWN)); will set those 2 bits to 0 and leave the others right? |
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| 13:46:42 | pondlife | JdGordon: Yes, but btn &= ~(BUTTON_SCROLL_UP|BUTTON_SCROLL_DOWN); is shorter |
| 13:47:18 | JdGordon | ok |
| 13:47:38 | linuxstb | Is anyone apart from bluebrother against Nico_P committing his WPS line-height patch? (FS #7033) |
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| 13:48:34 | Llorean | linuxstb: Amiconn seemed to have some doubts about its usefulness too, I believe. |
| 13:48:44 | pondlife | No objection here, I think it's useful. |
| 13:49:11 | linuxstb | As viewports will still be line-based, I don't see the conflict... |
| 13:49:17 | PaulJam_ | JdGordon: in the viewes.config, why is the 10 in the line "wav,viewers/wavview,10" ? wav uses a builtin icon. |
| 13:49:55 | Llorean | linuxstb: Nico_P did say it would be a minor change to add a "Justify top" and "Justify bottom" option to it, instead of just centering, as well. |
| 13:49:56 | JdGordon | amiconn(?) said that wav was meant to have a seperate icon for archos |
| 13:50:19 | PaulJam_ | ok, thanks |
| 13:50:50 | linuxstb | Llorean: I'm not sure I can think of a need for that though... |
| 13:51:11 | JdGordon | well thats odd... my commit didnt touch the sansa bin size, but afffected the mini's! |
| 13:51:20 | Llorean | linuxstb: Someone did complain that visual styles may assume that text lines are justified to the bottom of something (a line/field) |
| 13:51:26 | Llorean | linuxstb: I personally don't see a use for it, though. |
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| 13:52:10 | JdGordon | imo if the patch goes in, and its no big deal to add, then the justify options should be added also |
| 13:52:39 | Llorean | Well, top-justify is just not doing the centering it currently does. |
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| 13:54:39 | pixelma | why does it matter if you already use a wrong height for the font how it is justified? |
| 13:54:51 | Llorean | pixelma: You're seeing it as a "fix" again. |
| 13:54:55 | crop | I think the line height tag would be useful. But it should not center lines by default IMHO. Centering should be an extra option. |
| 13:55:15 | Llorean | pixelma: WPSes could very easily be designed to be font-independent, instead simply saying "Use a font 12px or less" |
| 13:55:34 | crop | Text should be "typeset" on the base line, the font is specially designed for it |
| 13:56:03 | Llorean | crop: For most WPSes, centering is more appropriate. |
| 13:56:30 | Llorean | Or at least, for most WPSes where multiple fonts could work effective (as in, fonts where it's a style choice rather than a 'fix') |
| 13:58:07 | PaulJam_ | btw, it would be nice, if all fonts would include theyr height in the filename. |
| 13:58:32 | Llorean | I'd personally prefer it if the filenames started with the height. :) |
| 13:59:19 | pixelma | Llorean: no - just couldn't imagine that it matters if the line is a few pixels up or down, especially for wps's the will use a line height tag. For heavily designed wps the author will ponder using this one font he/she chose anyways (that's how I'd imagine) |
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| 14:01:04 | Llorean | pixelma: Well, if you're substituting a font that's half the size of the usual one, it can make a difference in the overall appearance, though I suppose that you shouldn't be doing that often. |
| 14:02:54 | Llorean | But I'd settle for just "centered" |
| 14:03:11 | crop | Llorean: I don't know what "all" or "most" WPS's look like. But the natural typesetting for a text is aligned to its font's base line. This is like swwitching font size in Word. |
| 14:03:30 | pixelma | Llorean: it'll look differently. But as I said I just couldn't imagine that it'll be really important to those wps |
| 14:03:39 | Llorean | pixelma: Yeah. |
| 14:03:48 | Llorean | crop: Yes, and that's for documents, not graphical layouts. |
| 14:04:24 | linuxstb | crop: I think you're over-estimating fonts in Rockbox. IIUC, a glyph is just a fixed-height bitmap in Rockbox, so is rendered relative to the top of that bitmap. |
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| 14:05:11 | PaulJam_ | hmm, the font win_crox6hbo seems to be broken (at least in the h300 sim) |
| 14:05:28 | Llorean | And the most recent version of the patch centers the line instead of rendering from the top of the line, since in the test files that looks a good deal better (text that's supposed to be "halfway down the page" looks like it is, instead of being off by an apparent half line) |
| 14:05:35 | JdGordon | PaulJam_: yeah, has been for ages |
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| 14:06:37 | crop | I'm not sure. It depends on what you consider lines to be. If you think of them as of stripes or banners where you "paint" the text then centering would be natural. If OTOH you consider them as lines where you write the text (as in school) then the base line should be used. |
| 14:06:51 | Llorean | crop: And I consider them stripes or banners. |
| 14:06:56 | Llorean | crop: Look at how they scroll. |
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| 14:07:05 | linuxstb | Rockbox considers them stripes/banners... |
| 14:07:33 | crop | linuxstb: who stated that and when? :-) |
| 14:07:41 | linuxstb | The code states that... |
| 14:07:58 | linuxstb | I'm just describing how fonts are rendered in Rockbox. |
| 14:08:22 | JdGordon | crop: well, rockbox can only display 1 font per line (and 2 fonts per screen) anyway, so it doesnt really matter.. |
| 14:09:46 | amiconn | whoa |
| 14:10:17 | amiconn | Those stats say I wrote 10.4% of rockbox... |
| 14:10:47 | Llorean | crop: You'll notice a lot of WPSes follow one of two designs: Centered text, basically banners for each tag, or "Fields", boxes (using scroll margins) that again are spaced and essentially very limited width text banners. |
| 14:10:54 | Llorean | crop: It's not a traditional "document" style display |
| 14:11:15 | * | [IDC]Dragon congratulates amiconn \o/ |
| 14:11:32 | * | linuxstb wonders what his real contribution is |
| 14:11:38 | B4gder | haha |
| 14:11:49 | Llorean | Where do these percentages come from, and what's the minimum value? |
| 14:12:11 | B4gder | 'statsvn' checks every revision and counts lines |
| 14:12:27 | B4gder | I think |
| 14:12:36 | crop | linuxstb: I think the code now aligns to the top, not center |
| 14:13:00 | [IDC]Dragon | and amiconn actually wrote that 10.4% code, didn't import it |
| 14:13:05 | Llorean | crop: Rockbox aligns to the top, but since line-height matches font-height, it's the same as if it were center or bottom. |
| 14:13:13 | [IDC]Dragon | so he should be #1 |
| 14:14:02 | crop | Llorean: yes, but if we'd have changed the value of line height and wouldn't otherwise touch the code it would align to the top. |
| 14:14:18 | JdGordon | [IDC]Dragon: no, he committed it... doesnt mean he wrote it :p |
| 14:14:39 | crop | I think it's in gwps-common.c, the line with "ypos = (line * string_height) + display->getymargin();" |
| 14:14:50 | JdGordon | and I should be higher... Linus got the point for my actions patch :'( |
| 14:14:52 | Llorean | crop: Yes, but "the code currently does it" doesn't seem a very good reason to do it. |
| 14:15:01 | Llorean | crop: The code currently does it, because currently no attempt at aligning is necessary. |
| 14:15:27 | linuxstb | crop: We're discussing a new "line-height" patch which allows a line-height to be set which is different to the font height. Hence the new need for justification. |
| 14:15:28 | Llorean | Right now it doesn't actually "align to top", it just draws the text in the reserved space. No attempt is made for alignment, it's just the simplest drawing method. |
| 14:15:55 | linuxstb | Or rather, alignment. |
| 14:16:38 | Llorean | B4 |
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| 14:17:35 | crop | linuxstb: yes. I was referring to your phrase "the code does it". I thought you were speaking about the current RB code, not about the patched code. |
| 14:18:18 | crop | But in the tag, we should have an option for top/center/bottom alignment |
| 14:18:29 | Llorean | B4gder: Are there certain conditions for showing up on the svnstats page or does it just not like me? (My changes could all have been under ignorable circumstances, for example) |
| 14:18:50 | crop | linuxstb: sorry, it was "the code states that" |
| 14:19:08 | pixelma | Llorean: I think the table is just too old |
| 14:19:08 | B4gder | Llorean: I don't know, and those stats were generated back in.. was it january? |
| 14:19:22 | pixelma | (or stats) |
| 14:19:25 | Llorean | B4gder: Ah, okay then. Nevermind. |
| 14:19:31 | linuxstb | crop: I was talking about the current code. |
| 14:19:40 | Llorean | B4gder: I was looking to be the minimum contributor, but I did my minimal change after that. :) |
| 14:20:09 | B4gder | http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/svn/user_flanz.html |
| 14:20:15 | B4gder | beat that! ;-) |
| 14:21:13 | Llorean | B4gder: Yeah, actually I think I'd have about 6 |
| 14:21:21 | * | Llorean can't even come first at coming last. |
| 14:21:31 | crop | linuxstb: then I think we have top alignment now |
| 14:21:45 | Llorean | crop: We don't have *any* alignment now. |
| 14:21:51 | Llorean | Lines are the exact same height as the font. |
| 14:23:00 | crop | Llorean: yes, you're right. But (see above) if we'd changed the string_height we'd have top alignment. |
| 14:23:26 | Llorean | crop: Only if we didn't make an attempt to choose an alignment. |
| 14:24:02 | Llorean | That's what we've been saying, once you add arbitrary line heights, then someone has to choose the alignment. |
| 14:24:22 | Llorean | The current design suggest "center" is the right one if it's not user configurable |
| 14:24:27 | Llorean | At least in my opinion "center" is right |
| 14:25:43 | JdGordon | bottom of right also |
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| 14:26:09 | crop | Llorean: exactly. I was trying to understand what lines are considered to be in RB now. linuxstb said that the code states that the lines are centered. And I'm saying the the code-wise they are rather top aligned. |
| 14:26:22 | Llorean | crop: Linuxstb never said lines were centered |
| 14:26:28 | Llorean | crop: He said they're treated like banners. |
| 14:26:43 | crop | Anyway, with the patch we'll have all options |
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| 14:26:58 | crop | Banners were associated with centering |
| 14:27:09 | crop | ...in our talk |
| 14:27:16 | Llorean | crop: You associated them, only in the sense that "If the paradigm is banners, centering makes sense" |
| 14:27:24 | Llorean | You never said that banners had to be centered. |
| 14:27:35 | Llorean | At least I didn't get that from it. |
| 14:27:52 | linuxstb | But anyway, I think we all understand each other now... |
| 14:28:01 | Llorean | Yeah, it's clear, I think, now. |
| 14:28:05 | Llorean | At least, what happens, what could happen. |
| 14:28:06 | crop | Ok, this discussion is leading to nowhere. I propose to close it and to commit the patch instead. |
| 14:28:47 | crop | We only have to agree on the default alignment :-))) |
| 14:28:48 | Llorean | crop: Well, the current patch *just* centers lines. |
| 14:29:06 | crop | Llorean: then it's not ready yet IMHO |
| 14:29:20 | Llorean | And IMHO it's fine. |
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| 14:29:30 | Llorean | But an option could be added, with minimal work. |
| 14:29:37 | Llorean | At least according to the author |
| 14:30:17 | crop | Llorean: yes. %lh|height|[t/c/b|]. Right? Or what was the tag? |
| 14:31:31 | Llorean | %lh can't be used. |
| 14:31:39 | Llorean | It's the tag for the virtual disk LED apparently |
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| 14:32:14 | crop | Ok, another tag but same general syntax |
| 14:33:04 | Llorean | Assuming t/c/b is decided to be worth adding to it. |
| 14:34:43 | crop | I thought that was agreed upon, no? |
| 14:35:22 | Llorean | I don't think it's necessary. |
| 14:35:34 | Llorean | I think it might be nice, but I'm not really sure if it's nice enough to matter. |
| 14:36:37 | Llorean | Viewports are meant for very specific positioning, the LH patch could, in my opinion, just untie "line height" from "font height" and leave anything beyond that to what viewports chooses as its domain. |
| 14:36:57 | crop | I don't change and play with WPS's much. I only care about purity and "fuctional completeness" :-) |
| 14:37:08 | crop | *functional |
| 14:37:21 | B4gder | we're not generally much for "completeness" |
| 14:37:24 | Llorean | In terms of functional completeness, the line height patch is entirely unnecessary. Its functionality can be duplicated with what's planned for viewports. |
| 14:37:49 | Llorean | But line-height is a much more elegant solution for some things, and does offer some additional flexibility at a really minimal cost. |
| 14:38:14 | B4gder | I think we could start with it without alignment and see how it works out |
| 14:38:25 | Llorean | B4gder: It looks quite bad top-aligned, imho. |
| 14:38:28 | B4gder | I mean without option, just use center |
| 14:38:30 | * | Llorean saw the early patch. |
| 14:38:43 | linuxstb | I agree with that. |
| 14:38:46 | Llorean | Center works quite nicely though, I think. |
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| 14:40:58 | crop | Apart from all the arguments: it would be fun for Nico_P to implement and would make his rating jump very high :-) |
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| 14:42:02 | Llorean | crop: I think Nico_P's rating is going to be as high as it needs, there's a very good chance he'll be responsible for us to having Album Art by the end of summer. |
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| 14:47:55 | JdGordon | scorche: why do you have 3 recorders? |
| 14:52:33 | bluebrother | double-backup? ;-) |
| 14:52:48 | B4gder | lots of paper that need weights? |
| 14:53:07 | B4gder | and doors to stop |
| 14:53:12 | JdGordon | linuxstb: oh, I tried opennig elephants dream on my sansa and it starts to open, screen goes blank, then closes straight away? |
| 14:53:13 | bluebrother | hmm, then I should get a recorder |
| 14:54:33 | JdGordon | If my stupid car radio had aux in I'd get one and a nice big hard disk for it |
| 14:56:02 | B4gder | no cassette either then? |
| 14:56:11 | JdGordon | nup |
| 14:56:20 | JdGordon | have to use fm transmitter which sounds horrible |
| 14:56:23 | bluebrother | hack an aux in :) |
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| 14:56:39 | JdGordon | closest it has is phone-in, which I assume is mono |
| 14:56:55 | bluebrother | phone-in? |
| 14:57:13 | bluebrother | ah, scrap that. |
| 14:57:38 | JdGordon | as in... mobile phone handsfree |
| 14:58:05 | bluebrother | yeah, noticed that myself shortly after ;-) |
| 14:58:20 | bluebrother | doing three things at once isn't always a good idea. |
| 14:58:30 | * | bluebrother wants a second monitor on this machine |
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| 14:59:56 | * | B4gder currently runs some fancy linux desktop thing over two screens |
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| 15:00:03 | B4gder | with 3d rotation and stuff |
| 15:00:13 | B4gder | totally insane waste |
| 15:00:40 | bluebrother | the second screen or the 3d stuff? |
| 15:00:46 | B4gder | the 3d stuff |
| 15:00:57 | B4gder | two screens is pretty neat |
| 15:00:59 | bluebrother | yeah ... but it looks really nice. |
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| 15:01:08 | B4gder | at least when you're stuck with loress screens |
| 15:01:16 | Llorean | Two screens has proved pretty useful to me a few times. |
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| 15:01:36 | bluebrother | me too ... quite useful for coding. |
| 15:01:42 | B4gder | I have this "shaky" effect on windows when dragged too |
| 15:01:47 | B4gder | very useful |
| 15:01:49 | B4gder | :-P |
| 15:01:51 | bluebrother | and for LaTeX too. One screen for preview and another for coding |
| 15:02:06 | B4gder | everything's like jello on my desktop |
| 15:02:10 | * | JdGordon wants two screens back |
| 15:02:32 | JdGordon | bluebrother: what ever happened with the cleaning up the rocks folder patch? |
| 15:02:40 | B4gder | in fact, my current code is rather shaky too... |
| 15:02:52 | bluebrother | I saw xfree with 16 screens on a linux expo ... quite impressing. You get an idea what xeyes is good for :) |
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| 15:03:17 | B4gder | haha |
| 15:03:25 | bluebrother | JdGordon: still on my todo, but no time for the next 3 weeks. Presentation in less than 2 weeks and I need more numbers until then ... |
| 15:03:38 | bluebrother | I'm praying my PCB will work when it arrives tomorrow |
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| 15:12:30 | elinenbe_ | did anyone order the Gigabeat Fs from Office Depot? |
| 15:12:49 | perldiver | yes |
| 15:12:57 | Llorean | elinenbe_: Yes, by way of an affiliate website. |
| 15:13:14 | perldiver | elinenbe ups tracking number shows today's delivery |
| 15:15:26 | Llorean | I expect to have a package in about 5-6 hours. |
| 15:15:33 | Llorean | Though I don't know what I'll find in it. |
| 15:15:59 | Llorean | They told me they were out of stock and had to cancel my order. And then they shipped it. |
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| 15:16:32 | perldiver | im quite suprised they're shipping them in champaign color |
| 15:16:52 | Llorean | perldiver: The one I ordered claimed silver. |
| 15:17:20 | perldiver | people on fatwallet started to recieve theirs |
| 15:17:29 | perldiver | and its champaign |
| 15:17:37 | perldiver | which is strange |
| 15:18:12 | perldiver | i wanted a champaign one though |
| 15:18:15 | Llorean | Well, they seem to have had inventory issues. |
| 15:18:37 | Llorean | Seeing as they were "out of stock" on Wed, and still showed in-stock Thurs on some of their websites. |
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| 15:19:27 | perldiver | if anyone still wants one, fatwallet people got extras they're willing to sell |
| 15:19:58 | * | JdGordon wishes he had the cash for one :') |
| 15:20:01 | JdGordon | :'( even |
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| 15:21:00 | JdGordon | Llorean: you put up a request for a 2nd quickscreen? how about customizable one? |
| 15:21:03 | * | Llorean will settle for champaign colored, it's more or less a gift for his mom. |
| 15:21:22 | Llorean | JdGordon: When did I do that? |
| 15:21:32 | JdGordon | wasnt it you? |
| 15:21:42 | Llorean | I may have a long time ago.. |
| 15:22:14 | JdGordon | 5622 |
| 15:22:23 | JdGordon | ok, so 10 months ago :D |
| 15:22:37 | * | JdGordon going through tracker looking for something to code |
| 15:22:55 | Llorean | JdGordon: Ah, that was more or less a unification of features idea. |
| 15:23:15 | Llorean | JdGordon: The Recorders have a second quickscreen, having F1, F2, and F3 buttons. |
| 15:23:33 | Llorean | The idea was A) to allow access to this screen on any quickscreen target, and B) to reconsider what's on it,. |
| 15:24:20 | roolku | perldiver: has anyone put rockbox on it yet? Just in case it is something like the outpost batch of h120 |
| 15:24:29 | JdGordon | I personally hate the options in the quickscreen :p and now with the way settings are done I tihnk it should be fairly trivial to make it possible for any setting to be on the quickscreen |
| 15:24:50 | perldiver | roolku yes, no problems, people enjoying them |
| 15:25:04 | Llorean | perldiver: Any clue the serial number range of Gigabeat Fs? |
| 15:25:10 | perldiver | Llorean what makes it strange that champaign was never a US color |
| 15:25:11 | * | roolku wants the quickscreen like it used to be - without explicit enter and exit button presses |
| 15:25:15 | JdGordon | does that sound like an idea worth playing with? |
| 15:25:35 | roolku | similar to how the pitch screen is done now |
| 15:25:58 | * | linuxstb has forgotten how it used to work |
| 15:26:08 | Llorean | perldiver: Maybe it was, but Office Depot got all of them, and forgot to sell them. :-P |
| 15:26:12 | perldiver | Llorean nope, havent seen them mentioned anywhere |
| 15:26:23 | linuxstb | roolku: Did pressing the button show the quick screen, and then releasing that same button exit it? |
| 15:26:25 | perldiver | Llorean ha |
| 15:26:32 | roolku | linuxstb: yes |
| 15:26:41 | linuxstb | roolku: That gets my vote too... |
| 15:26:46 | roolku | linuxstb: and while holding it you could adjust the settings |
| 15:27:00 | linuxstb | Obviously... :) |
| 15:27:00 | Llorean | perldiver: According to the page, my incoming one's serial number starts with a Y, my current one starts with a 6, so I'm wondering if what I'm getting is really an F40. |
| 15:27:05 | roolku | :) |
| 15:27:21 | Llorean | roolku: That doesn't work well on several of our SWCodec players |
| 15:27:27 | Llorean | roolku: Which player were you referring to? |
| 15:27:35 | linuxstb | Llorean: Which ones won't it work on? |
| 15:27:39 | Llorean | linuxstb: H100? |
| 15:27:45 | Llorean | Only the play button can be combined with other buttons |
| 15:27:54 | Llorean | H300 has the same restriction, I believe |
| 15:27:58 | perldiver | Llorean yes, thats an US number for F40, my F20 has 5 and F60 has 7 |
| 15:27:58 | roolku | depending on target (h120 comes to mind) this required some clever state machine |
| 15:28:09 | Llorean | And if I recall the X5 has only two buttons (maybe) that can be combined? (Could very easily have that one wrong. |
| 15:28:14 | perldiver | i dont know what Y us |
| 15:28:15 | perldiver | is |
| 15:28:18 | linuxstb | I thought I remember it working on the h1x0 in the past... |
| 15:28:47 | roolku | yes, it works on the h120 - you just have to be careful about your actions |
| 15:28:50 | Llorean | linuxstb: On the h100 most of the buttons can't be combined, so if it did, there was something clever doing it. |
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| 15:29:08 | Llorean | roolku: How, holding down Menu conflicts with pressing other buttons. |
| 15:29:13 | perldiver | im missing an F10 though hehe |
| 15:29:17 | roolku | I think amiconn figured it out and then Kevin couldn't replicate it when he did the multi screen api |
| 15:29:33 | linuxstb | Ah, so it was the multi-screen api that broke it? |
| 15:29:37 | Llorean | roolku: Or is it a case of long-press takes you in, and release takes you out, and since you press other buttons, release doesn't trigger? |
| 15:30:07 | Llorean | Of course, that would assume that Menu is a lower value than the stick. |
| 15:30:15 | roolku | yes, and then it gor even worse with the action code - now you need to press a button even to enter it |
| 15:30:35 | Llorean | perldiver: I'm guessing those numbers are mostly consistent then. Office Depot did *not* ship my order the day after I ordered it, despite guaranteed next day shipping. |
| 15:30:51 | roolku | after the multi-screen api, at least you could adjust while holding the button |
| 15:30:56 | Llorean | perldiver: When I called them the day after that, when it still hadn't shipped, their phone person told me they were out of them, and would never be receiving 'em again, and cancelled my order for me. |
| 15:31:04 | Llorean | perldiver: Then I got a shipping confirmation email 5 hours later. |
| 15:31:09 | roolku | even though you needed an explicit press to exit |
| 15:31:09 | * | Llorean has no idea what they've shipped him |
| 15:31:28 | roolku | now it is enter/release - adjust - enter/release |
| 15:31:33 | perldiver | Llorean did you order the paper clips too? :P |
| 15:31:47 | perldiver | cause they shipped them seperately |
| 15:31:52 | Llorean | perldiver: Paper clips? |
| 15:31:57 | perldiver | separately* |
| 15:32:09 | perldiver | yes, to get an 15% discount |
| 15:32:13 | Llorean | Ah, no. |
| 15:32:20 | Llorean | The site I ordered from didn't mention such a thing. |
| 15:32:30 | perldiver | hmm than it must be the player |
| 15:32:34 | * | linuxstb wonders how long "Global Priority Mail" from the US Postal Service takes between the US and the UK. |
| 15:32:36 | Llorean | Well they charged me the $99 |
| 15:32:40 | Llorean | So I *hope* it's the player |
| 15:32:41 | * | amiconn wonders what roolku was referring to... |
| 15:34:06 | roolku | let me see if I can find the commit |
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| 15:42:03 | amiconn | roolku: [15:29:33] <roolku> I think amiconn figured it out and then Kevin couldn't replicate it when he did the multi screen api <== what is this referring to? |
| 15:42:55 | linuxstb | The old quick-screen behaviour where you pressed a button to enter, and released the same button to leave. |
| 15:43:13 | amiconn | Quickscreens used to be usable in 2 ways |
| 15:44:01 | amiconn | (1) press quickscreen button to enter. Select option(s) with left/down/right. Press quickscreen button again to leave |
| 15:44:33 | amiconn | (2) press *and hold* quickscreen button. While holding, set options with left/down/right. Release quickscreen button to leave |
| 15:45:17 | amiconn | (2) Is the real quick way, but it only works on targets where the quickscreen button and the directions used for options are detectable at the same time |
| 15:45:46 | amiconn | This is the main reason why there is no option associated with the Up button in the quickscreen, btw |
| 15:46:02 | bluebrother | (2) does not work on h100. It seems to can hang the player :o |
| 15:46:12 | linuxstb | Are we remembering correctly that 2) used to work on the h100? |
| 15:47:01 | amiconn | (2) cannot work on irivers and iaudios |
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| 15:47:48 | bluebrother | hmm. Press Menu + before the quick menu comes up left. Screen hangs. Shutdown on long stop still works though ... |
| 15:47:59 | Llorean | linuxstb: I don't remember that (2) ever did, at least for me. |
| 15:49:22 | amiconn | Llorean: (2) *cannot* work on iriver, due to hardware constraints |
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| 15:50:23 | Llorean | amiconn: That's what I said, but someone claimed there had once been some clever solution to that. |
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| 15:52:49 | PaulJam_ | JdGordon: i have a strange behaviour with the icons for music files: all music files get the icon i specified for .mp3 in the .icons file even if i specify a different icon for them (tested with wav,flac,m4a,mpc) |
| 15:53:00 | roolku | amiconn: I remember vaguely that it was you who did the quickscreen on the h120, but looking at the log it was christy r6910 (unless you/someone fixed it later) |
| 15:53:22 | Llorean | PaulJam_: I noticed that too, actually, I'd forgotten to bring it up |
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| 15:55:00 | roolku | I swear (2) used to work on h120, because the mode button has a lower priority then the up/down and you can detect the BUTTON_MODE to BUTTON_UP/LEFT/RIGHT/DOWN transition |
| 15:55:50 | JdGordon | PaulJam_: hmm... this shouldnt happen :p |
| 15:56:07 | Llorean | JdGordon: But it does. |
| 15:56:10 | roolku | maybe I mis-remember amiconn having anything to do with it, but it definitly worked |
| 15:57:03 | PaulJam_ | JdGordon: btw. it seems as if it is still not possible to pecify an icon to a filetype that is not supported by rockbox (even though i'm not sure if this would make sense) |
| 15:57:19 | JdGordon | correct, you cant |
| 15:57:28 | Llorean | So the filetype has to have a viewer associated? |
| 15:57:46 | JdGordon | yeah, or built in |
| 15:57:51 | Llorean | Yeah, that's what I meant. |
| 15:59:13 | JdGordon | bugger... I know the problem.. I was wrong about icons_init not needing filetypes_init to be run |
| 15:59:16 | * | JdGordon fixes |
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| 16:00:00 | roolku | amiconn: look at http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl?date=20050629 where you discussed the issue with cassandra. She confirms that the quickscreen works at 10:08 |
| 16:04:46 | Febs | I propose to make the following changes to the installation instructions in the manual: |
| 16:05:12 | Febs | 1. Move the description of the 3 types of builds from section 2.2.2 to the introduction in section 2.2.3 so that section 2.2.2 is more streamlined and easier to follow. |
| 16:05:12 | JdGordon | PaulJam_: Llorean: hmm... maybe it isnt such a simple fix |
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| 16:05:50 | Febs | 2. Create a separate section 2.2.4 with instructions for downloading extras. Currently, this is the fonts package, but may include themes depending on the outcome of the discussion currently being held on the mailing list. |
| 16:06:06 | Llorean | Febs: Fonts, and the Doom Wads can be mentioned in 2.2.4 |
| 16:06:26 | Llorean | Febs: But how would moving them to 2.2.3 make things easier, unless we're just going to have 2.2.2 arbitrarily tell them to use the current build? |
| 16:06:33 | Llorean | "them" being the build descriptions |
| 16:08:21 | Febs | Llorean: for one, on platforms that have not had a formal release, the instructions could just read "Download a current build," with "current build" being link to the appropriate page. |
| 16:08:47 | Llorean | Febs: I agree, but what about for the few targets that do have a formal release? |
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| 16:09:40 | Llorean | I suppose there's not *really* a need to mention it there, honestly |
| 16:09:48 | Febs | Those instructions could say: "Download the latest release or a current build." |
| 16:10:21 | Llorean | Actually... |
| 16:10:33 | Llorean | We shouldn't mention the Release in the manual at all. |
| 16:10:54 | Llorean | There is a version of the manual for the release (sorta), and because of the huge discrepancy between features offered, there's no real reason to. |
| 16:11:06 | Llorean | A release-edition of the manual could go with 3.0 if/when it happens, anyway. |
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| 16:12:08 | Febs | Good point. The last "release edition" manual was for 2.4, not 2.5, but the fact remains that this manual relates to the current build, not the 2.5 release. |
| 16:13:12 | XavierGr | quickscreen just worked for me on both H100 and H300 |
| 16:13:45 | XavierGr | ah but didn't try to hold the button |
| 16:13:56 | XavierGr | but as amiconn said it shouldn't work on H100 |
| 16:14:17 | roolku | XavierGr: read my justification why it did work |
| 16:15:20 | XavierGr | roolku: to tell you the truth I never really used quick screen that way (holding the mode button) |
| 16:15:26 | roolku | if you still don't believe it, build revision 6910 and try :) |
| 16:15:43 | XavierGr | but right now it only works like (1) |
| 16:15:49 | roolku | yeah, I know. Nobody seems to :( |
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| 16:16:03 | Llorean | roolku: You are free to fix it, you know |
| 16:16:26 | XavierGr | well I tried with latest build and (2) doesn't work, but I never knew it worked that way too |
| 16:17:08 | XavierGr | the same applies with H300 (which the mode button is independent from the directional ones) |
| 16:17:08 | linuxstb | roolku: I believed you :) |
| 16:17:21 | roolku | linuxstb: :) |
| 16:17:42 | linuxstb | Rockbox can always achieve the impossible... |
| 16:18:01 | XavierGr | indeed :D |
| 16:18:03 | roolku | yep. |
| 16:18:10 | Hammer89 | is the mpegplayer plugin supposed to automatically start the next mpeg file in a folder? |
| 16:18:10 | Llorean | Well, as long as you watch for transitions without releases in between, you could manage something like that. |
| 16:18:16 | Llorean | Hammer89: No. |
| 16:18:24 | Hammer89 | okay, thanks :) |
| 16:18:50 | Hammer89 | will that be implemented in future versions? |
| 16:18:59 | * | linuxstb is reminded of the quote "ALGOL 60 was a great improvement on its successors" |
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| 16:19:07 | Llorean | Hammer89: If someone implements it, yes. |
| 16:19:19 | Hammer89 | okay :) |
| 16:19:22 | Llorean | Hammer89: Remember: Open source project, volunteers, no solid plans. |
| 16:19:28 | Hammer89 | I know ;) |
| 16:19:37 | Llorean | But basic playlisting support of some sort seems a likely feature for *someone* to implement. |
| 16:19:46 | Hammer89 | definitely |
| 16:19:51 | * | Llorean has already stated his preferred 'next feature' for it. |
| 16:20:57 | linuxstb | Llorean: A resume feature would mean remembering the entire state of the decoder, which isn't trivial. especially as audio is decoded a few seconds in advance of video. I think seeking would be simpler. |
| 16:21:38 | linuxstb | Especially as jhMikeS seems to have rewritten mpegplayer with a view to making seeking straightforward. |
| 16:22:45 | Llorean | Oh, well seeking would make me happy too. |
| 16:23:03 | Llorean | My desire is for "any method that allows me to accidentally let it idle power off, then not have to watch an hour of a video to see the last 20 minutes" |
| 16:23:35 | Hammer89 | it'll automatically power off while playing a video? |
| 16:24:51 | Llorean | It'll automatically power off if you pause the video and put it in your pocket. |
| 16:24:55 | Hammer89 | ah |
| 16:25:29 | * | Llorean wonders what the maximum video runtime is now, with jhMike's improvements. |
| 16:25:57 | Hammer89 | usually if I have a long video I split it into chapter or time divisions... so some sort of playlisting is most important to me... seeking would definitely be nice too, though ;) |
| 16:28:11 | linuxstb | Llorean: Have you thought about a video forum? I'm not sure if we need one yet though... |
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| 16:29:01 | Llorean | linuxstb: I've considered it, but I'm not sure if it needs its own forum, at least not yet. |
| 16:29:55 | Llorean | I'm not sure what exactly would be discussed though, in the end. |
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| 16:31:20 | Llorean | I'm also toying with the idea of making "Audio Playback" into general "Playback" or "Audio and Video Playback" (for clarity) |
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| 16:34:08 | joshin | I'd think that many people wouldn't bother with Video Playback on small screen devices and video playback posts would get lost in the noise |
| 16:36:02 | Llorean | joshin: As a general rule, if a post isn't answered by the time it gets off page 1, it's probably not getting answered at all, anyway. |
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| 16:39:48 | Topy44 | hello |
| 16:41:30 | Topy44 | i use a cowon iaudio x5l running rockbox and the original firmware (with recording time hack) using the dual bootloader |
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| 16:42:27 | Topy44 | i just found out about the "Recording Enhancements Pack" on the forum |
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| 16:43:07 | Topy44 | are there any precompiled builds for the x5 available that already include the REP? |
| 16:43:32 | Topy44 | i would like to avoid having to compile it myself |
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| 16:44:21 | B4gder | check around the unofficial builds |
| 16:44:22 | Topy44 | also, i am having a lot of trouble recording for prolonged times - i get "warning:0000002" warnings after some time |
| 16:45:00 | Topy44 | but i was using the release builds up to now, gotta try again using the nightly builds |
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| 16:45:13 | Llorean | There have been no release builds. |
| 16:45:42 | Topy44 | right, i mixed stuff up, just forget my last post. :) |
| 16:45:50 | B4gder | Topy44: if you want to test a patch that isn't in the svn builds then using an svn build is kind of not a choice ;-) |
| 16:47:06 | Topy44 | B4gder, what i ment was: i did not test if the "warning:0000002" error occures with any other build |
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| 16:47:35 | Topy | argh, got disconnected |
| 16:47:51 | B4gder | Topy: if there is no bug report for it and if you can repeat the problem, filing a new entry would be a good idea |
| 16:48:49 | Topy | i will try to find the exact conditions where the warning shows up. i had some serious trouble two weeks ago when i recorded a whole festival, i had major FAT corruption |
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| 16:49:13 | Topy | ended up loosing some of the recorded material and having to manually reconstruct the recordings by loading a disk image as raw wave... |
| 16:50:47 | Topy | is there a list of unofficial builds other than the threads in the forum? i can only find one single X5 build there |
| 16:52:44 | Llorean | Topy: That forum is the list. |
| 16:52:53 | Llorean | As far as what people care to come and post about. |
| 16:53:10 | Llorean | Build maintainers don't always care to have a forum thread, or even announce their build outside of their own forums. |
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| 16:54:42 | Topy | i will try that "ColdSphinX csBuild" then |
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| 17:02:46 | JdGordon | PaulJam: Llorean: remind me tomorow about the bug you wanted me to fix... not gonna happen tonight |
| 17:04:14 | Llorean | JdGordon: The mp3 represents all music files issue? |
| 17:04:33 | JdGordon | umm... yeah |
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| 17:04:42 | JdGordon | im going to bed in a min and gonna forget |
| 17:05:46 | PaulJam | you could fix it by calling it a feature (so the user doesn't have to specify every audiofile extension in the .icons file) |
| 17:06:06 | JdGordon | im not M$ :D |
| 17:07:23 | Llorean | I bet fixing it would involve a lot of the same work for allowing filetypes not built-in and not in viewers.config (or at least, I bet it could) |
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| 17:07:45 | JdGordon | no, it should be working... my very quick debug session before didnt show up anything |
| 17:07:52 | JdGordon | then i was taken awak from the comp |
| 17:07:58 | Llorean | Ah |
| 17:08:08 | pondlife | Did the mono problem get fixed yet (i.e black background) |
| 17:08:47 | Llorean | Nope |
| 17:08:55 | pondlife | Just wondered |
| 17:11:11 | Topy | what is the battery capacity of the iaudio X5L? |
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| 17:15:47 | Topy | ah found it myself. search-lazy me |
| 17:18:37 | PaulJam | heh, finally i found out where the reverse cursor icon is used in rockbox: in the virtual keyboard |
| 17:18:39 | bluebrother | you're aware that the battery capacity setting in Rockbox is only used for the remaining runtime estimate? |
| 17:18:55 | spiorf | Little WPS question: Can i put two conditionals one inside another? |
| 17:20:39 | PaulJam | spiorf: yes |
| 17:22:12 | PaulJam | spiorf: if you maen something like: %?mh<%?mr<%xdD|%xdB>|%?mr<%xdC|>> |
| 17:22:49 | spiorf | PaulJam, yes, i meant like that |
| 17:22:53 | spiorf | thanks |
| 17:25:08 | Topy | bluebrother, yes, and since i use the unit mainly for recording that is quite a useful feature |
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| 17:25:38 | Llorean | Topy: It's not so helpful with recording, the estimate is based on playback time. |
| 17:26:04 | Topy | hm, ok then... whatever, cant be a bad thing to set it correctly anyway :) |
| 17:26:37 | * | Llorean wonders if maybe it would be good to remove that "feature" entirely, with so many different platforms and codecs now. |
| 17:26:56 | Llorean | It really doesn't serve much useful purpose as long as the % degrades linearly over time. |
| 17:27:19 | pondlife | Without it would there be any chance of a runtime estimate? |
| 17:27:35 | pondlife | (Not that it's accurate for most targets anyway) |
| 17:27:40 | Llorean | I meant removing the whole runtime estimate feature. |
| 17:27:45 | Llorean | It's mostly pointless. |
| 17:27:52 | pondlife | Yes, it's a MAS-only feature at best. |
| 17:27:56 | Llorean | It only works if your battery is newer than a certain age *and* you playback under certain conditions. |
| 17:28:20 | pondlife | Maybe it could learn from one charge to the next? |
| 17:28:39 | Llorean | If anything, the screen should just ask for "expected battery runtime" and give your estimate by using the current level % as applied to what you think the runtime will be. :-P |
| 17:28:44 | pondlife | i.e. Assume a particular user's usage pattern is fairly regular |
| 17:29:05 | pondlife | Maybe it should work based on a previous battery_bench output? |
| 17:29:31 | Llorean | I'd rather just see the feature scrapped entirely. |
| 17:29:50 | Llorean | It's (mostly) misleading, requires calibration, and we could recover a (small) bit of code size. |
| 17:30:31 | Llorean | I mean the mental math to estimate how much runtime you've got left based off the battery percentage isn't exactly college level. |
| 17:31:46 | * | Llorean wonders if removing a feature qualifies as a feature request. |
| 17:32:05 | pondlife | Request to simplify and hence improve Rockbox.... |
| 17:32:11 | Topy | an option to see the current battery voltage instead of the percentage would be nice.. i guess the percentage isnt anywhere near linear? |
| 17:32:23 | Llorean | Topy: The percentage is calibrated to be linear. |
| 17:32:34 | Llorean | Or at least, we try, when we can, to calibrate it. |
| 17:32:39 | pondlife | The voltage is not linear for sure |
| 17:32:41 | Topy | as in, 0% is "the unit turns off now"? |
| 17:32:41 | Llorean | The voltage is generally much less useful. |
| 17:33:01 | Topy | ok, then it makes sence. i thought the percentage would just be based on the voltage |
| 17:33:03 | Llorean | 50% means "you're halfway through with your allotted time", 0% means "It's turning off now", etc, when calibration is right. |
| 17:33:12 | Llorean | It's based off a voltage curve. |
| 17:33:41 | Topy | (sorry if what i say does not make much sence, my english isnt as good as it used to be) |
| 17:33:55 | Llorean | Nah, I think I've got it. |
| 17:35:17 | Topy | setting up to compile rockbox myself now, the "csBuild" does not work for me (it seems the included REP does not include AGC) |
| 17:36:44 | Llorean | Topy: AGC should be in SVN Rockbox now... it must be a pretty old build? |
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| 17:37:35 | Topy | Llorean, oh, really? where are its options? meaby i am just to stupid to use rockbox :) |
| 17:38:14 | Llorean | Topy: Dunno, honestly, I never record, but I'm almost sure (not 100%) that it got committed. |
| 17:38:40 | Topy | well, where SHOULD the options be? |
| 17:38:47 | Topy | like, setting it to live/dj/whatever mode |
| 17:38:52 | amiconn | AGC is in SVN (but swcodec only) |
| 17:38:58 | Llorean | Topy: See the manual. |
| 17:41:05 | Topy | Llorean, i might seem like a total idiot/noob now, but: i cannot find any reference to AGC in the manual at all. could it be that the manual for the X5 version is outdated? |
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| 17:41:59 | Llorean | Topy: Actually, it looks like it may not have been added to the manual. |
| 17:42:12 | Llorean | Topy: But as I said, I don't record, I have no idea where the setting should be in the various recording settings. |
| 17:42:22 | amiconn | hmm.... |
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| 17:42:30 | Topy | phew, so at least its not my fault for not finding it :) |
| 17:43:04 | pixelma | the manual is pitily not very desriptive about recording at all |
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| 17:43:28 | Llorean | pixelma: I just noticed while looking. |
| 17:43:53 | linuxstb | Topy: It seems only the H300/H100 manuals describe AGC... |
| 17:44:06 | linuxstb | I don't know if that means it's not implemented for the X5. |
| 17:44:34 | linuxstb | If you can't see it in the Recording settings menu, then I would guess it isn't available. |
| 17:44:36 | AdministratorTom | hey guys, i have a iriver h10 5gb, i havnt really used my iriver cause the battery was so poor with the rockbox program. I was wondering if the code has become beter in the past 5 months, has the battery improved at all |
| 17:45:15 | linuxstb | Topy: Yes, I've just checked the code, and AGC is only for H100/H300 |
| 17:46:08 | AdministratorTom | ?? what u reckon guys |
| 17:46:12 | linuxstb | AdministratorTom: Rockbox has improved in the last 5 months, but the battery issue on H10 and ipods hasn't been solved. |
| 17:46:33 | AdministratorTom | ok what improvments have been made? |
| 17:46:43 | pixelma | hmm... I'm not sure but I think that there is no AGC on the iaudios - I _believe_ they only have two gain settings so not much to adjust for AGC |
| 17:46:45 | AdministratorTom | i have bad vision and i love how i can change the colours so i can read it and the voice. |
| 17:46:49 | Llorean | linuxstb: Is that an issue of hardware or just someone leaving it out of hte defines? |
| 17:46:49 | linuxstb | AdministratorTom: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges |
| 17:47:14 | linuxstb | Llorean: I'm guessing it's a hardware issue, but I don't know. |
| 17:47:17 | pixelma | but better ask someone with more knowledge |
| 17:47:21 | Topy | linuxstb, that explains it. only implemented on h100/h300 builds or wont it work on x5 at all? |
| 17:47:44 | Topy | as in: can i integrate the patch myself without extensive coding knowledge? |
| 17:47:46 | linuxstb | Topy: You're talking to people who don't know the recording code in Rockbox... |
| 17:48:05 | linuxstb | petur and jhMikeS are probably the people to ask. |
| 17:48:14 | pixelma | Llorean: I can only set 0db or +20dB as gain in the recording screen (M5) |
| 17:48:45 | linuxstb | pixelma: Then it does sound like a hardware limitation. |
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| 17:49:03 | Llorean | pixelma: Then that makes sense for why there's no AGC. |
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| 17:49:23 | bluebrother | Topy: the x5 doesn't have AGC because the hardware isn't precise enough |
| 17:50:04 | pixelma | that's what I think too, and I vaguely remember hearing something about this |
| 17:50:20 | bluebrother | I definitely remember this being the issue ;-) |
| 17:50:22 | Topy | not precice enough? |
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| 17:50:46 | Topy | i can select the recording gain in finer steps on mine |
| 17:50:56 | bluebrother | yes, the gain control is not fine grained enough for that feature to make sense |
| 17:51:03 | Topy | aah |
| 17:51:03 | amiconn | X5 and M5 don't have AGC for microphone |
| 17:51:17 | Topy | so the changes would be to harsh? |
| 17:51:24 | amiconn | For line in AGC should be possible, but I don't remember whether it's implemented |
| 17:51:32 | bluebrother | I don't know the details, but that was the explanation, at least what I understood ;) |
| 17:51:37 | Topy | (i only use line in) |
| 17:51:40 | pixelma | ah... that's the only thing I tried (and am able to here ATM) |
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| 17:52:12 | bluebrother | IIRC there was a (not so long) time with AGC enabled on X5 builds. |
| 17:53:32 | pixelma | (i.e. no subpack - no line-in :/ ) |
| 17:53:41 | * | Llorean doesn't see AGC mentioned in relation to X5 in the changelog at all |
| 17:54:03 | Llorean | At least not in the comments containing "AGC" or "gain control" |
| 17:55:46 | linuxstb | The logs for config-iaudiox5.h (where it would need to be enabled) don't show it either... |
| 17:55:52 | Topy | yes, the x5 only has 2 gain settings for the internal mic, but proper gain control for the line in (same with the original firmware, 2 steps for mic, 10 steps for line) |
| 17:56:02 | Topy | meaby just noone ever tried it :) |
| 17:56:11 | linuxstb | Only 10 steps? That seems low. |
| 17:56:17 | Topy | well, there are more in rockbox |
| 17:56:36 | Topy | but probably cowon just didnt implement more in their firmware |
| 17:56:50 | Topy | default is 7, which seems to be rougly 0db |
| 17:57:28 | Topy | i have other strange problems with recording in rockbox, but i guess its not much use discussing these when noone is around that actually uses the recording feature :) |
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| 17:58:13 | Topy | in general, the x5l is a very nice machine for taping, especially because of its immense battery capacity |
| 17:59:10 | Topy | i recorded about 15 hours live without charging, and the battery wasnt completely flat yet |
| 17:59:52 | Topy | the subpack sucks though... i ordered a plug from gomadic.com now to make a custom line in cable to connect to the mic preamp |
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| 18:00:42 | linuxstb | Unless I'm misunderstanding sound.c, the H100/H300 seem to allow gain from -128 to 96 in steps of 1 for line-in and -128 to 108 for mic. The X5 allows from 0 to 31 for line-in and 0 to 1 for mic. |
| 18:01:13 | Topy | i am using soundprofessionals' SP-CMC4 (audio technica capsules) through a SP-Preamp (preamp and battery pack) connected to the x5 for recording live metal concerts. the results are brilliant, except for the problems mentioned |
| 18:01:27 | Topy | linuxstb, uff, thats a difference alright... |
| 18:02:22 | Topy | i recorded using both the original firmware and rockbox, the original firmware supports mp3 recording only (up to 320kbit) |
| 18:02:42 | Topy | it seems that i have more trouble with distortion when using rockbox, but i could not make direct comparsions yet |
| 18:02:54 | Topy | i will do some more testing tonight at our band rehearsal |
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| 18:23:34 | PaulJam | is there somewhere a complete list of the file extensions that are supported by rockbox? |
| 18:25:40 | nls | firmware/id3.c and apps/pluginsviewers.config |
| 18:26:04 | nls | insert / between plugins and viewers.config |
| 18:26:13 | PaulJam | thanks |
| 18:27:54 | PaulJam | what about extension like .fnt or . lng? |
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| 18:30:07 | nls | PaulJam: in apps/tree.c there's a better list |
| 18:30:19 | PaulJam | thank you |
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| 18:44:56 | pondlife | PaulJam: You'd think that would be in filetypes.c, wouldn't you ;) |
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| 19:17:13 | PaulJam | is there a reason why rockbox_flash is compiled for the H300 and associated to .iriver files? |
| 19:17:40 | Llorean | Because it's expected that we'll be able to flash them like we do the h100s, I assume. |
| 19:18:01 | Llorean | They should still RoLo unless you "Open With" |
| 19:18:46 | roolku | no that is a bug (should not be compiled for h100 either) |
| 19:19:48 | roolku | whoops rockbox_flash is archos only, isn't it? |
| 19:19:49 | PaulJam | looks like it is compiled on targets |
| 19:20:08 | Llorean | roolku: Well, it depends on whether he means "firmware_flash" or "iriver_flash" |
| 19:20:11 | * | roolku was thinking about iriver_flash |
| 19:20:23 | Llorean | roolku: But iriver_flash is compiled for H100, and why shouldn't it be? |
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| 19:21:26 | roolku | PaulJam: from rockbox_flash: #if !defined(SIMULATOR) && (CONFIG_CPU == SH7034) /* Only for SH targets */ |
| 19:22:22 | linuxstb_ | PaulJam: Are you using a sim? |
| 19:22:45 | PaulJam | yes |
| 19:23:16 | PaulJam | h300 sim for windows |
| 19:23:26 | linuxstb_ | Try a real build... |
| 19:26:51 | amiconn | PaulJam: Maybe it's compiled, but it's empty |
| 19:27:04 | amiconn | If you try to run it you'll get incompatible model |
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| 19:30:10 | PaulJam | yes, the zip for the actual darget doen't contain it. sorry for the confusion. |
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| 19:34:31 | amiconn | 'make zip' leaves out zero-byte files, but empty sim plugins aren't zero-byte files |
| 19:35:03 | amiconn | So 'make install' even installs those empty plugins... looks like apps/plugins/SOURCES needs some fixing |
| 19:37:13 | linuxstb_ | Seems there are two such empty plugins - rockbox_flash and firmware_flash |
| 19:39:01 | Llorean | Why're there two flashing plugins? |
| 19:40:23 | amiconn | firmwar_flash does the initial flash (flash loader + bootbox + space for a second image), rockbox_flash is a viewer and handles updating the second (main) image (.ucl) |
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| 19:43:30 | Cojy | hi guys |
| 19:43:36 | Cojy | can I ask somethin'? |
| 19:44:10 | Cojy | does anybody know if the firmware of the creative zen vision m can be modified? |
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| 19:46:16 | linuxstb_ | Cojy: Anything can be modified if you try hard enough... |
| 19:46:29 | * | roolku notices some interesting gigabeat stuff in the hardware forum http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9846.msg76503 |
| 19:46:58 | linuxstb_ | Cojy: Seen this thread? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3320.0 |
| 19:47:50 | Cojy | ok...thanks |
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| 19:51:51 | desowin | Gigabeat F firmware hacking information (Read 404 times) |
| 19:51:54 | desowin | nice number |
| 19:54:59 | * | moos is reading too ... :) |
| 19:55:10 | moos | really interesting posts |
| 19:57:26 | linuxstb_ | Anyone downloaded the files? I can't face rapidshare.de.... |
| 19:58:52 | moos | which ones do you want? |
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| 20:05:03 | linuxstb_ | Moos: It's OK, thanks. rapidshare.de isn't too bad compared to some of the other free download sites. |
| 20:05:20 | moos | hehe, no problems :) |
| 20:06:06 | linuxstb_ | Although I lost my connection during a download and now it thinks I'm still downloading a file... |
| 20:15:20 | preglow | anyone know when soc final allocations are made? |
| 20:15:23 | preglow | or are they already? |
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| 20:18:27 | desowin | preglow: those are already |
| 20:19:04 | desowin | preglow: only if student can't take part, he still can tell it to google, so he's place will be taken by someone else |
| 20:19:53 | desowin | atleast it's what was written in "congratulations" email ... |
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| 20:27:00 | * | roolku has "Powerup on AC plugin" and "Shorted delay on POWER" on his gigabeat now. :) |
| 20:27:07 | roolku | excellent stuff |
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| 20:33:18 | amiconn | How long does the gigabeat (normally) need from pressing power to resuming playback in rockbox? |
| 20:35:31 | Llorean | amiconn: If you leave all the original firmware files on disk (don't replace them with the minimalized ones), you end up with if I recall about 7-8 seconds? |
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| 20:36:16 | Llorean | Well, that's to "filetree", I don't have resume on startup enabled. |
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| 20:48:20 | roolku | amiconn: I never measured, but a very long press was needed to initiate the boot - IIUC this is what has been shortened |
| 20:48:55 | roolku | car adapter mode is working as advertised with the mod - now i just need a car :) |
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| 21:03:13 | Llorean | perldiver: Mine just arrived, the box claims it's champagne aluminum, but side by side with my silver the only really noticeable differences are that it's a bit shinier, and the words "Toshiba" and "Gigabeat F40" on the front are dark instead of white. |
| 21:03:36 | Llorean | It also doesn't have the holographic sticker on the back that my other one has, I'm not sure if that's standard or not, though. |
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| 21:07:46 | markun | roolku: nice |
| 21:08:05 | markun | next will be to have our own bootloader in flash |
| 21:08:40 | * | Llorean looks forward to that. |
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| 21:10:04 | markun | Llorean: with sleep mode support! |
| 21:10:15 | SliMM | hello |
| 21:10:23 | markun | hi SliMM |
| 21:10:25 | Llorean | markun: I'd just like fast boot times, and no stupid Toshiba progress bar. :) |
| 21:11:15 | markun | Llorean: it's also nice if you pause too long, it enters sleep mode (which it does now anyway) and you can turn it on and continue your music without rebuffering |
| 21:11:39 | markun | should be a very fast boot time |
| 21:12:16 | Llorean | That ought to be nice. |
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| 21:22:07 | * | linuxstb_ is happy to see shoora's realname in his source files... |
| 21:23:41 | markun | yes, that's a nice start |
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| 21:29:23 | pixelma | that's strange - for the greyscale remote everything is set up so that it can use greyscale default icons (there is a ...x2.bmp and it's referenced in SOURCES) - but for the greyscale main lcds there is no ..x2.bmp and in the respective SOURCES it's defined to use the mono bitmap... |
| 21:30:15 | SliMM | is it 'useless' or 'useles'? |
| 21:30:30 | SliMM | and 'harmful' or 'harmfull'? |
| 21:30:32 | markun | SliMM: www.m-w.com |
| 21:30:51 | SliMM | markun: thanks |
| 21:31:00 | markun | I have to use it a lot too :) |
| 21:31:29 | * | markun is not great at spelling in most languages |
| 21:32:09 | Llorean | pixelma: What target has a 2bpp remote? |
| 21:32:17 | pixelma | X5/M5 |
| 21:35:44 | pixelma | should I "fix" this (also add a dummy icons.bmp and change SOURCES respectively)? I mean it will be only a copy of the mono icons but that's what's used for colour screens too (almost) |
| 21:35:58 | Llorean | Probably |
| 21:37:59 | markun | SliMM: useful site? |
| 21:38:21 | SliMM | markun: indeed |
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| 21:49:58 | SliMM | may i take ColdSphinX's gif viewer andmake it avaiable for grayscale targets too? |
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| 21:59:17 | Spec | so what's the easiest way to get album art for a bunch of music? is there a cddb-like-thing for album art? :p |
| 21:59:39 | Domonoky | is there a way to resize the vmware image ?? |
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| 22:00:05 | * | Domonoky found something.. |
| 22:00:10 | obo | Spec: apt-get install albumart |
| 22:00:43 | Spec | heh |
| 22:01:22 | Spec | also, when i'm done playing music...is it best to hold down play to turn it off, or is there a suspend-to-ram/sleep type option? |
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| 22:01:55 | Bagder | there's no suspend function |
| 22:03:02 | Spec | wouldn't that eat less power than booting every time i turn it on? |
| 22:03:13 | Bagder | no |
| 22:03:30 | Bagder | the most power-eating things are the harddrive and LCD anyway |
| 22:04:18 | SliMM | fine, i'll wait for coldsphinx |
| 22:04:24 | Spec | isn't the harddrive used extensively on bootup? |
| 22:04:35 | Spec | err, i take that back, reading the ram from the hd is gonna be the same -.- |
| 22:04:52 | SliMM | anyway, how many bpp has a "grayscale" target? |
| 22:04:54 | preglow | Bagder: i thought lcd hardly east anything |
| 22:04:57 | preglow | couple of miliamps or something |
| 22:04:59 | preglow | eats |
| 22:05:05 | Bagder | I meant backlight |
| 22:05:16 | preglow | then we're in agreement after all :> |
| 22:05:21 | Llorean | SliMM: The H100, iPod 4G, and M5 I believe are all 2bpp |
| 22:05:26 | * | Llorean isn't 100% sure about the M5 |
| 22:05:56 | SliMM | so should i make the gifviewer work with the famous grayscale lib? |
| 22:06:08 | Llorean | If you're going to adapt it, yes. |
| 22:06:35 | SliMM | and does the grayscale lib work on 1bpp lcds? |
| 22:06:50 | Domonoky | SliMM: would be good, the jpeg viewer also uses the grayscalelib |
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| 22:06:56 | Llorean | SliMM: Yes, it does. |
| 22:07:03 | Domonoky | and it works on 1bpp display |
| 22:07:03 | moos | Lorean: the iaudio remote is yeah |
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| 22:07:17 | SliMM | i'll take a look over the grayscale lib then |
| 22:07:45 | * | SliMM will be back in 10 |
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| 22:08:00 | Spec | and one final question....what's the best way to convert music already on the iPod in iTunes format into rockbox-goodness? I built the database on rockbox, but some of the song names/titles are like "DZSP", etc, and sometimes the song names are correct... |
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| 22:08:28 | markun | Spec: do you still have the files on you computer? |
| 22:08:43 | Spec | markun: yes and no....the files are in existances, but it might take me a week to get to 'em |
| 22:09:01 | markun | well, I don't know the easiest way |
| 22:09:03 | Spec | does a weird-filename imply there is no id3 tag for the file? |
| 22:09:22 | markun | the reason you are seeing the weird titles is because they are not all properly tagged |
| 22:09:25 | markun | yes |
| 22:09:34 | Spec | ok, so manually tagging each file = the solution :-/ |
| 22:09:55 | webguest77 | hi all... anyone know why some tracks should show under <untagged> in the database but playing the track and "show ID3 info" gives the correct tag |
| 22:09:57 | markun | just the files wich show strange names |
| 22:10:18 | Spec | of the thousands of files, i don't know exactly which ones show strange names |
| 22:10:24 | markun | webguest77: no, not really |
| 22:10:27 | Spec | but i can write a script that'll tell me if there's no id3tag present |
| 22:10:55 | Bagder | webguest77: sounds like a database bug if so |
| 22:11:10 | PaulJam | webguest77: were the tags incorrect when you initialized the database? |
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| 22:11:40 | webguest77 | PaulJam: possibly but I believe I reinitialised it? |
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| 22:12:07 | crop | Shouldn't "Reset settings" also set the WPS to the default one? It just hasn't on the gigabeat sim. |
| 22:12:30 | markun | crop: yes, I it should |
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| 22:13:21 | Spec | so there is no decent album art database? |
| 22:13:23 | webguest77 | Spec: have you tried something like http://www.mp3tag.de/en/ |
| 22:13:37 | Spec | no |
| 22:13:50 | crop | markun: hm... it didn't work for me. Could you also test it? |
| 22:13:57 | Spec | oh wow, renames files based on tags |
| 22:14:08 | markun | crop: in the sim? |
| 22:14:11 | Spec | webguest77: does it run on linux? |
| 22:14:22 | pixelma | Llorean: yes the M5 has a 2bpp screen |
| 22:14:22 | webguest77 | Spec: dunno, sorry |
| 22:14:22 | crop | And one more thing: how can I (re)set the WPS to the default one without resetting all the settings? |
| 22:14:24 | Spec | nope :p |
| 22:15:00 | crop | markun: yes, I only tested on the sim. But I'll test on target as well. I think it doesn't depend on the platform. |
| 22:15:03 | Llorean | crop: Choose "rockbox_default" from browse themes, or browse .wps |
| 22:15:19 | obo | Spec: have a look at picard - another apt-gettable one |
| 22:15:31 | crop | Llorean: is there such theme? Or only font? |
| 22:15:31 | Spec | obo: you weren't kidding about albumart? |
| 22:15:40 | Spec | obo: what distro/repository? it's not on my ubuntu repo |
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| 22:15:45 | Llorean | crop: There's a wps for it at least. |
| 22:15:48 | obo | no, I use it here |
| 22:15:50 | Llorean | crop: There might also be a theme. |
| 22:16:22 | obo | Spec: it's in edgy and feisty |
| 22:16:25 | Spec | are there any plugins that visualize audio output other than the oscilloscope? |
| 22:16:38 | Spec | obo: ah hah, i believe i checked on a dapper |
| 22:16:42 | webguest77 | PaulJam: did you have something in mind - files to try deleting or something like that? |
| 22:17:29 | crop | Llorean: yes, on target (not the latest build though) there is rockbox_default theme, but not on the sim (latest build) |
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| 22:17:56 | PaulJam | you could delete the *.tcd files from the .rockbox directory and reinitioalize the database. export your runtimeinfo before if you use that. |
| 22:18:15 | PaulJam | this was for webguest77 |
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| 22:18:29 | webguest77 | PaulJam: ok, willing to try it |
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| 22:19:29 | Spec | so are there any configuration tips/tricks for getting the music to switch tracks faster (ie: pushing "next" in the middle of a song has a noticable delay) |
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| 22:20:11 | PaulJam | Spec: do you have crossfading enabled? |
| 22:20:19 | Spec | i disabled it |
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| 22:21:25 | Spec | oh yeah, on an ipod 5g (video), shouldn't i be able to plug in the output of another mp3 player, and record the input? |
| 22:21:30 | crop | How can I install the packaged themes on the sim? I did make && make install but find no themes on the sim |
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| 22:23:28 | crop | Oh, themes are not in SVN? |
| 22:23:53 | SliMM | crop: just rockboxed, ichatcher and boxes |
| 22:24:04 | pixelma | depends on the target |
| 22:24:06 | SliMM | unicatcher and the rockbox default |
| 22:24:27 | SliMM | depends on the target, as pixelma said |
| 22:24:47 | webguest77 | PaulJam: well that worked :) |
| 22:25:17 | webguest77 | (it seems that reinitialising doesn't work very well - or I messed it up) |
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| 22:26:13 | crop | SliMM: I see many WPS's in SVN but none is installed (copied to archos) by make install. Is it ok? |
| 22:26:39 | PaulJam | webguest77: did you use "update now" or "initialize now" after you changed the tags? |
| 22:27:04 | SliMM | well, in the ipod 5g sim, there is rockboxed, i/uni catcher and boxes |
| 22:27:08 | webguest77 | I believe I tried both - as you do |
| 22:27:37 | crop | SliMM: after make install? Or is there another make target? |
| 22:27:49 | SliMM | no, after make install |
| 22:28:56 | crop | Hrm. Not for me. At least not for gigabeat and h120 |
| 22:29:15 | Spec | what is the "bindiretional scroll limit"? |
| 22:29:36 | Spec | and is there a way to "accelerate" scrolling, ie: step up the scrolling speed if you keep scrolling down a long list |
| 22:30:20 | crop | Fonts are all installed (copied) but not the WPS's |
| 22:30:30 | Rincewind | Spec: it should accelerate automatically |
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| 22:31:10 | Spec | it seems to get slower :-/ |
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| 22:32:09 | Spec | definitely seems like it has a negative acceleration :p |
| 22:32:23 | SliMM | i'll see what i can do with the gif viewer tommorow |
| 22:32:46 | SliMM | will it be comitted if i add grayscale support? |
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| 22:33:41 | Domonoky | SliMM: depends .. :-) |
| 22:33:50 | Bagder | SliMM: possibly, yes |
| 22:33:54 | SliMM | depends on what? |
| 22:34:13 | Domonoky | SliMM: it should match the coding styles, work on every possible target.. |
| 22:34:54 | SliMM | i will just add some #ifdefs and use the grayscale lib, it's not my work |
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| 22:35:25 | Domonoky | there is no garantie for commiting.. :-) |
| 22:35:40 | SliMM | ok |
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| 22:36:22 | SliMM | i have a difficult time in understainding someone else's code, that's why i can't do more than add grayscale support |
| 22:37:42 | Domonoky_ | its fine, add it, and somebody else can improve it more, if it needs more work.. just dont expect it to be commited asap.. |
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| 22:38:02 | SliMM | ok :) |
| 22:38:32 | SliMM | i'll talk to coldsphinx, mabe he helps me in understainding how gifs can be decoded |
| 22:38:59 | SliMM | so i can make my on gif decoding function, and make an extensible image viewer |
| 22:39:16 | SliMM | my own* |
| 22:39:40 | SliMM | but now it's time to say good night |
| 22:39:49 | SliMM | or rather good bye :) |
| 22:39:54 | Domonoky_ | an extensible image viewer would be nice.. but i think thats not an easy task.. |
| 22:42:35 | SliMM | Domonoky_: once i understaind gif, jpeg and png decoding, i can make a separate function for eachone that dumps the data into a fb_data array and do scaling and other stuff on that array independently |
| 22:43:05 | Bagder | the fb_data is the frame buffer |
| 22:43:33 | SliMM | fb_data is short int iirc |
| 22:43:34 | Bagder | you should scale things _from_ that, but rather to that |
| 22:43:47 | Bagder | SliMM: it depends on target |
| 22:44:03 | SliMM | well, short int array than |
| 22:44:10 | SliMM | then* |
| 22:44:13 | Bagder | yes, depending on what target |
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| 22:45:14 | SliMM | Bagder: i think is more cpu-intensive to read and decode every time zooming is performed |
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| 22:45:29 | moos | SliMM: you may clean up already your own patch and get it commited first (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7022) ;P |
| 22:45:31 | Bagder | I didn't say you had to do that |
| 22:46:04 | Bagder | maybe I misunderstood |
| 22:46:20 | SliMM | moos: what's wrong with it? :) |
| 22:46:38 | SliMM | Bagder: maybe i misunderstood :) |
| 22:46:55 | moos | ask commiters that would look at it and make it svn material |
| 22:47:29 | SliMM | Bagder, could you please take a look over my patch at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7022 |
| 22:47:46 | SliMM | and make it svn material if possible? :) |
| 22:48:10 | SliMM | or tell me what i should do to make it commitable |
| 22:48:14 | Bagder | tabs |
| 22:48:22 | Bagder | long lines |
| 22:48:33 | SliMM | no tabs? |
| 22:48:48 | SliMM | why shouldn't i use tabs? |
| 22:48:51 | Bagder | and perhaps most importantly, why the rush to add something that nobody uses? |
| 22:49:09 | Bagder | SliMM: you should follow the rockbox-style of indenting source code |
| 22:49:37 | SliMM | Bagder: no rush, moos just told me that i should get my patch commited :) |
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| 22:50:07 | SliMM | Bagder: a wiki link pls to take a look over rockbox-style of indenting source code |
| 22:50:12 | Bagder | SliMM: and you blindly do what people ask you? ;-) |
| 22:50:25 | SliMM | Bagder: not always |
| 22:50:39 | Bagder | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/docs/CONTRIBUTING?view=markup |
| 22:50:41 | gigapete | hey guys, i've reformatted my gigabeat f40 and now i can't even get it to power up, can anyone offer some advise? |
| 22:50:54 | moos | SliMM: I meant take in exemple to how to do for folow the rockbox rules, even if the patch isn't usuful, made it clean is good for you first |
| 22:51:00 | linuxstb_ | gigapete: Yes, don't do that... |
| 22:51:35 | linuxstb_ | gigapete: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort#Gigabeat_Recovery_Procedures |
| 22:51:59 | SliMM | moos: it looked pretty clean to me :) |
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| 22:52:53 | moos | Bagder just pointed you some rockbox code style for exemple |
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| 22:54:18 | moos | once you will get all the "how to make things clean and svn material", you will can made usuful patch (that just what I wanted to say first) |
| 22:54:40 | SliMM | moos: ok :) |
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| 22:55:06 | SliMM | i've read that before, Bagder, but not completly :) |
| 22:55:30 | dionoea | linuxstb_: can rockbox render text over the mpegplayer output ? |
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| 22:55:47 | linuxstb_ | dionoea: No. |
| 22:55:55 | markun | dionoea: not yet, but jhMikeS had some nice ideas for overlay |
| 22:56:09 | SliMM | CR LF is no problem, tabs.. i don't think they're a problem.. 80 columns lines.. this needs some wortk :) |
| 22:56:50 | SliMM | markun: what ideas? :D |
| 22:57:22 | dionoea | it's not rendering in the same buffer or something ? |
| 22:57:47 | SliMM | damn, it's late here, good bye |
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| 22:57:59 | markun | supplying a mask to the yuv2rgb function |
| 22:58:16 | markun | which will decide which pixels should be taken from the framebuffer and which from the yuv buffer |
| 22:58:23 | dionoea | can't you render after the call to the yuv rendering function? |
| 22:58:34 | dionoea | (might be inefficient) |
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| 22:58:57 | markun | dionoea: if you do it during the yuv conversion you don't need to convert all the pixels to RGB |
| 22:59:00 | dionoea | or maybe even render the text directly in y(uv) |
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| 22:59:40 | dionoea | so you render it in the y buffer using white/black (won't need any rendering in the chroma buffers) |
| 22:59:47 | markun | dionoea: and we were also thinking of adding support for alpha blending |
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| 23:00:21 | markun | what about the progress bar while seeking? |
| 23:00:32 | dionoea | oh, i though that there were CPU problems when runing mpegplayer :) |
| 23:00:49 | Bagder | dionoea: those gigabeaters you know... :-) |
| 23:00:50 | markun | dionoea: jhMikeS and I both have a Gigabeat :) |
| 23:00:54 | dionoea | ah :) |
| 23:01:16 | markun | we'll see how well it turns out, it will just be an experiment |
| 23:01:52 | dionoea | I'll try to render some (constant) string on top of the yuv buffer to see if it can be done at reasonable speed |
| 23:05:19 | * | TrueJournals hugs loadable icons :-D |
| 23:10:11 | Spec | how hard would it be to implement a new "way" to browse the database? |
| 23:10:47 | Spec | I want an A-Z listing on the left side, and while you scroll down the A-Z list, on the right side of the screen it should show the files that begin with that letter, then when you click on "B" for example, you'll go to the second window and be able to scroll down the songs starting with "b" |
| 23:11:23 | TrueJournals | Like the way the Zen does it? |
| 23:11:28 | Spec | i haven't seen a zen |
| 23:11:36 | Spec | it's like the way the old Rios did it |
| 23:11:42 | TrueJournals | Ah, because my friend has one and that's exactly what it does |
| 23:11:58 | TrueJournals | Anyway, I'm no coder, but I think that would require quite a bit of work |
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| 23:12:54 | markun | Spec: I have some ideas for that |
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| 23:13:02 | markun | but more flexible than A-Z listing |
| 23:13:12 | markun | will also work with other languages for example |
| 23:13:59 | Spec | ah |
| 23:14:04 | Spec | well, i can program a little, but not much C |
| 23:14:15 | Spec | i could probably figure out how to do it, as long as i could make a "window" in rockbox-land |
| 23:15:10 | Spec | are there any patches for things like this? |
| 23:15:23 | Spec | alternate database-browsing methods, that is |
| 23:15:23 | markun | search the patch tracker, I didn't really look |
| 23:15:36 | markun | I didn't want to do it just for te database of course |
| 23:15:49 | markun | for any list |
| 23:16:12 | Spec | right |
| 23:16:16 | Spec | are you a programmer? |
| 23:16:19 | markun | yes |
| 23:16:23 | Spec | familiar with rockbox source? |
| 23:16:25 | linuxstb | Spec: A window will probably need to wait for viewports to arrive. |
| 23:16:39 | Spec | viewports? |
| 23:16:43 | markun | Spec: familiar with some parts |
| 23:17:16 | linuxstb | Spec: Basically windows... |
| 23:17:28 | Spec | yeap |
| 23:17:29 | Spec | read spec now |
| 23:18:12 | markun | but I don't think not having viewports is an obstacle for having such a quick jump function |
| 23:19:03 | Spec | well, you'd have to bring up the data for all songs starting with "A" in a "window" to the right of your a-z list |
| 23:19:36 | Spec | but it seems like viewports is for the WPS only? |
| 23:19:48 | markun | Spec: my list would/will be vertical |
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| 23:20:00 | dionoea | linuxstb_: how do you get the pitch / line length for a given plane in the mpeg2_info_t struct ? |
| 23:20:02 | linuxstb | Spec: No, they'll be implemented at the lcd driver level, so available throughout Rockbox. |
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| 23:20:24 | Spec | they should just implement curses |
| 23:20:37 | markun | Spec: which 'they'? |
| 23:20:41 | Spec | you! |
| 23:20:44 | Spec | :p |
| 23:20:46 | markun | fuck you :) |
| 23:20:53 | markun | pardon my french |
| 23:20:59 | Spec | markun: it's ok, i don't speak french |
| 23:21:05 | markun | I'm still learning |
| 23:21:19 | markun | but I have to leave again in 3 weeks.. |
| 23:21:24 | linuxstb | dionoea: You mean the width? |
| 23:21:40 | markun | Spec: shall I explain you my 'quick jump' idea? |
| 23:21:41 | dionoea | well the buffer width and displayed buffer width (in cas they're not equal) |
| 23:21:43 | Spec | is there a place i can write a spec/proposal for rockbox? |
| 23:21:48 | Spec | markun: yes, with pretty pictures if possible |
| 23:21:48 | dionoea | *case |
| 23:21:59 | markun | Spec: I'll just do it in text: |
| 23:22:15 | markun | first you calculate the number of line in the screen with the current font |
| 23:22:25 | dionoea | linuxstb: so i know how much bytes i have to skip to go to the next line |
| 23:22:27 | linuxstb | dionoea: See the vo_setup() function in video_out_rockbox.c |
| 23:22:44 | dionoea | ok, thanks |
| 23:22:55 | markun | than you devide the list into a number of groups euqal to the number of lines |
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| 23:23:00 | linuxstb | That's passed the info->sequence structure. |
| 23:23:26 | markun | then for each line you display the first few unique letters of the first and last item |
| 23:23:29 | dionoea | ah, 1 page up :) |
| 23:23:37 | dionoea | ok, sequence was what i was looking for |
| 23:23:43 | markun | like this: [Amo .. Bea] |
| 23:23:45 | dionoea | width and height are for Y ? |
| 23:23:54 | markun | [Bec .. Cae] |
| 23:24:09 | markun | etc |
| 23:24:16 | linuxstb | dionoea: Yes, and the other two planes are half the width and height. |
| 23:24:25 | dionoea | i expected that :) |
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| 23:24:38 | Spec | markun: is that all the lines currently on the screen, or in the whole list? |
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| 23:24:41 | markun | if you click on one of the items it will just to the first entry in that group |
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| 23:25:00 | markun | Spec: what do you mean? |
| 23:25:13 | Spec | markun: so you want to on-the-fly group entries into categories, so it'd be like [a - c], [c - e]? |
| 23:25:14 | markun | s/just/jump/ |
| 23:25:23 | markun | yes |
| 23:25:41 | Spec | i'd rather have two windows :p |
| 23:25:41 | markun | but would work also for people with russian and greek files for example |
| 23:25:49 | markun | 2 windows of what? |
| 23:26:35 | markun | Spec: just program your thing if you think it's better |
| 23:27:00 | Spec | hah =p |
| 23:27:25 | dionoea | ok, so it's rendering a doted white/black line without affecting the framerate too much. I'll try with text now |
| 23:28:03 | Spec | markun: my idea is like this: http://pastebin.ca/445437 |
| 23:28:17 | dionoea | btw, how many fps should i expect with the 16:9 elephant dreams sample on the ipod video ? |
| 23:28:34 | dionoea | (i get ~16 fps with no skipping and limiting, ~10 fps with skipping enabled) |
| 23:28:39 | Spec | markun: you should definitely make your idea, the more ways to access the database/file information, the better. |
| 23:28:51 | linuxstb | dionoea: Sounds about right. |
| 23:29:01 | markun | Spec: I don't agree |
| 23:29:11 | Spec | whyn't? |
| 23:29:11 | markun | we have to think about file size |
| 23:29:17 | dionoea | ok. (i'm unsure if my cop's used or not ... but i don't really care atm) |
| 23:29:31 | Spec | file size? |
| 23:29:46 | linuxstb | dionoea: If the COP wasn't being used, you wouldn't get 16fps |
| 23:29:50 | dionoea | ok |
| 23:29:52 | markun | well, adding more and more things which do more or less the same is just a waste of bytes imo |
| 23:30:12 | Spec | markun: well, i wasn't thinking of including them in main rockbox |
| 23:30:18 | Spec | but a patch to allow me to search my way would be uber nifty |
| 23:30:19 | markun | why not? |
| 23:30:31 | linuxstb | A patch like that would soon go out of sync |
| 23:30:36 | Spec | markun: not everyone will like either of our ideas |
| 23:30:45 | markun | They will have to :) |
| 23:31:11 | Spec | so you don't think it'll be easily doable until viewports? |
| 23:31:23 | Spec | linuxstb: for my idea, not markun's |
| 23:31:27 | Spec | 'cause markun's is doable right now :p |
| 23:31:40 | markun | Spec: what's the advantage of your idea? |
| 23:31:41 | Bagder | both are doable right now |
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| 23:32:07 | Spec | markun: so you can scroll down letter of alphabet by letter of alphabet, and see the songs on the right side |
| 23:32:20 | Spec | it's more aesthetically pleasing |
| 23:32:25 | markun | aha |
| 23:32:30 | linuxstb | markun: Your idea is to be able to collapse any long list and expand it based on the group headings? |
| 23:32:32 | Spec | Bagder: how would you have a list beside a list like that? |
| 23:32:41 | markun | linuxstb: yes |
| 23:32:55 | Bagder | Spec: ? I would make two lists |
| 23:33:06 | Bagder | why would that be hard? |
| 23:33:40 | linuxstb | Scrolling lines? Or can they be done with a left margin already? |
| 23:33:41 | Spec | err |
| 23:33:48 | Spec | Bagder: i haven't seen a rockbox menu that has "windows" like that |
| 23:33:50 | Bagder | ah scrolling will be hard yes |
| 23:33:55 | markun | linuxstb: what do you think of it? LinusN liked it. |
| 23:34:37 | webguest77 | Can anyone explain the following... I have a track \Eiffel 65\zzMisc\Eiffel 65 - Blue.mp3 which is tagged with Eiffel 65 as the artist, no album and the title is 'Blue (Da Ba Dee)' in the database, if I go through Artist, <All tracks> it shows Blue (Da Ba Dee) but if I go through <untagged> it shows '65. Blue (Da Ba Dee) - 03:29' |
| 23:34:41 | linuxstb | markun: I don't have any long lists... |
| 23:35:01 | markun | linuxstb: use your imagination then :) |
| 23:35:24 | Spec | linuxstb/bagder: is there a place i can create a featurerequest/spec for "the future" when it'll be possible to implement the idea? |
| 23:35:41 | webguest77 | (and the Genre database seems to have a lot of 0-9a-z single character entries that I can't fathom) |
| 23:35:51 | markun | webguest77: I can only tell you that you shouldn't be listening to that music anyway :) |
| 23:35:58 | Bagder | Spec: I'm quite sure this idea already is filed (at least once) |
| 23:36:08 | Spec | hmm, are there any patches associated with it? :p |
| 23:36:13 | Bagder | in the feature request tracker |
| 23:36:24 | webguest77 | markun: yeah, it's not my normal listening - has some comedy value |
| 23:36:29 | markun | :) |
| 23:36:31 | Bagder | Spec: not that I know of |
| 23:36:39 | Spec | where's the feature request tracker? |
| 23:37:09 | Spec | never mind |
| 23:37:11 | * | Spec is blind. |
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| 23:39:01 | dionoea | yay! It's rendering "Hello!" in the Y buffer (and i'm lost about 0.5 fps) |
| 23:39:08 | dionoea | or maybe less |
| 23:40:10 | dionoea | linuxstb: if i need some text buffer (like for subs rendering), do i have to allocate it statically somewhere in mpegplayer.c or do you have some malloc emulation ? |
| 23:40:26 | dionoea | well, not subs rendering, but storing the subs before they're rendered |
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| 23:40:58 | webguest92 | hi |
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| 23:41:27 | webguest92 | hi |
| 23:42:11 | webguest92 | is there a way to put rockbox in sleep mode like apple firmware |
| 23:42:18 | webguest92 | is there a way to put rockbox in sleep mode like apple firmware |
| 23:42:20 | Bagder | no |
| 23:42:23 | linuxstb | dionoea: Look at the start of the plugin_start() function in mpegplayer.c - it grabs the audio buffer and then allocates bits of memory for different things. 2MB is given to libmpeg2 for it to malloc() from, the rest is assigned statically. I think it would be best if you allocated a subtitle buffer from that memory pool when mpegplayer is started. |
| 23:42:54 | webguest92 | will there be |
| 23:43:19 | linuxstb | Maybe, but no-one has expressed an interest in implementing it. |
| 23:43:37 | webguest92 | ok |
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| 23:45:22 | dionoea | linuxstb: ok. (I'll go for simple srt subs) |
| 23:45:55 | dionoea | start time / stop time / text should be more than enough for subs support |
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| 23:54:40 | BHSPitMonkey | man, it sure takes a while to scroll from top-to-bottom in the Balance setting |
| 23:55:04 | * | roolku sighs |
| 23:55:21 | roolku | first victim of the gigabeat firmware flash |
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| 23:55:30 | BHSPitMonkey | :/ |
| 23:55:37 | markun | roolku: bricked? |
| 23:55:39 | BHSPitMonkey | bricked? or... |
| 23:56:35 | roolku | not me - http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9846.msg76535#msg76535 |
| 23:56:55 | roolku | seems recoverable though ... I don't quite understand what he has done |
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| 23:58:22 | sslashes | linuxstb: do we have any information about how the device moves into sleep mode? |
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