| 00:00:07 | Saureus | pixelma: I have an Iaudio X5.. it only gives me like 45 minutes of MP3 playback before it goes kaput |
| 00:00:22 | jhMikeS | mirak: the obvious is a powerful reasoning tool :) |
| 00:00:45 | linuxstb_ | mirak: I haven't looked at your patch but I'm assuming the issue is that your patch isn't suitable for committing as it is, so it needs someone to work on it to clean it up... Which is why it hasn't been committed yet. |
| 00:00:47 | * | amiconn_ tries to find out what the proper 16:9 version for the mini would be |
| 00:00:49 | Llorean | Saureus: If your battery life is that bad, you need a new battery. |
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| 00:01:09 | Saureus | Llorean: where do I find them? |
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| 00:01:22 | amiconn | 80x144 I'd think |
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| 00:02:29 | Llorean | Saureus: Dunno, honestly |
| 00:02:53 | mirak | jhMikeS linuxstb amiconn well it's like nobody looked at the code, beside the guy that tried to separate it in one pure asm file |
| 00:02:55 | Saureus | Thanks, I'll call around. I hope they aren't too expensive. |
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| 00:03:13 | mirak | I didn't new how to do it personnaly |
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| 00:10:49 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: I'm not sure what you mean by "similar to how it's done for any mpeg audio" - VBR mp3 files are helped with VBR headers, which are not in program streams. |
| 00:10:59 | jhMikeS | dionoea: I guess until there's direct blit support for overlays, the YUV buffer is the only place for it |
| 00:12:02 | mirak | as far I understand you want me to tell what must be done |
| 00:12:07 | jhMikeS | linuxstb_: I don't really know right now for sure...something must be workable though...hrm |
| 00:12:15 | mirak | or more do it in fact lol |
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| 00:13:29 | amiconn | jhMikeS: What would be the advantage of demuxing on read? |
| 00:15:02 | jhMikeS | 1) streams are more independent 2) we don't buffer data we don't care about 3) watermarks can be optimal for each stream |
| 00:15:27 | amiconn | 1) is obvious, but I don't see what advantage it has |
| 00:15:44 | amiconn | You have to demux at some point between read and output |
| 00:15:55 | amiconn | I don't understand 2) |
| 00:16:17 | jhMikeS | that only takes a tiny buffer though since no packet can be larger than 64K+misc |
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| 00:16:49 | amiconn | And for the watermarks... you need to rebuffer as soon as less than N seconds are left in the buffer, and that should be equal for audio and video afaiu (+/- a some milliseconds) |
| 00:17:14 | jhMikeS | right, and we'll need to track the combined bitrate for that on the fly |
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| 00:18:00 | amiconn | ? |
| 00:18:10 | amiconn | Why not just take the maximum if its vbr? |
| 00:18:29 | amiconn | That's what the hwcodec playback engine does for vbr mp3 |
| 00:18:30 | jhMikeS | can do that |
| 00:19:00 | amiconn | It calculates the watermark based on bitrate, and for vbr it just calculates based on 320kbps |
| 00:19:02 | jhMikeS | Well, maximum for a mpa is 448kbps |
| 00:19:22 | amiconn | I'd say we can safely ignore mp1 |
| 00:19:37 | EbErT | lotsa things must have changed in rockbox, because now i get data errors when trying to play anything |
| 00:19:57 | EbErT | i index from mp3's handled by itunes |
| 00:20:17 | linuxstb_ | EbErT: Sounds like you need to install the latest bootloader. |
| 00:20:23 | jhMikeS | though if we just base bps on the overall read rate then audio and video should look alike pre-demux |
| 00:20:26 | * | amiconn wondered why .mpeg wasn't supported on his mini g2, until he realised that he still had mpa.patch applied :\ |
| 00:20:41 | EbErT | ah, maybe so! didn't know that changed |
| 00:20:58 | EbErT | do i just install it on top of the old one, no formatting? |
| 00:21:19 | linuxstb_ | Yes, just follow the install instructions in the manual - basically just download and run ipodpatcher. |
| 00:21:37 | EbErT | cool, wont lose anything, thx |
| 00:22:37 | amiconn | hmmmm |
| 00:22:40 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Thinking about it, there might be problems on the greyscale ipods due to the cache. |
| 00:22:55 | amiconn | Video looks smooth on mini g2, but audio stutters |
| 00:24:02 | linuxstb_ | That's odd. |
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| 00:24:35 | amiconn | It sounds like libmad can't keep up, so the sound is interrupted periodically |
| 00:24:50 | amiconn | ...several times per second |
| 00:25:42 | amiconn | But audio and video stay in sync |
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| 00:27:27 | linuxstb_ | The greyscale lib uses a timer to update the LCD? |
| 00:27:32 | * | amiconn doesn't think it's especially odd |
| 00:27:34 | amiconn | yes |
| 00:27:59 | linuxstb_ | So that's probably on the main CPU... |
| 00:28:39 | amiconn | The grayscale lib uses a timer interrupt to shove data to the lcd, and with the slowish pp lcd controller, the isr runs for a significant amount of time |
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| 00:29:51 | amiconn | On H1x0 and M5 this is no problem at all, we can push ~850fps to the lcd and only need 70 |
| 00:29:54 | linuxstb_ | OK, that explains it. Normally on PP targets, the main CPU is only decoding audio, which is why I thought it odd that it stuttered. |
| 00:30:07 | amiconn | On mini 2g we can only push 155fps to the lcd and need 88 |
| 00:30:29 | NET||abuse | havin great trouble getting this ipod mini to register on my machine in disk mode,, i reset the ipod, then get it into disk mode, it has a big tick and says "OK to disconnect" then i plug in , dmesg shows this line "usb 1-5: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3" |
| 00:30:31 | amiconn | So more than half of the (main) cpu time is spent in the isr |
| 00:30:39 | NET||abuse | how can i get this thing to connect up right?? :( |
| 00:31:07 | amiconn | That's even worse than on archos, btw (where it's almost exactly 50% for fullscreen) |
| 00:31:11 | NET||abuse | it's just not going any further than that on the dmesg log |
| 00:32:36 | amiconn | But in spite of all this, the grayscale lib is significantly faster on pp than it is on coldfire, due to all the bit shifting/shuffling when converting gray->planar |
| 00:32:59 | linuxstb_ | NET||abuse: Have you tried rebooting your PC? People have reported (including me, although not recently) the Linux USB stack crashing and requiring a reboot. |
| 00:33:05 | amiconn | arm simply loves to shift... |
| 00:33:35 | * | dionoea updates the patch and goes to bed. |
| 00:33:37 | dionoea | good night |
| 00:34:07 | NET||abuse | linuxstb, yep, just rebooted and was trying again when i asked the question, so was just after a reboot |
| 00:35:38 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: So does it look like it's playing the full 24fps? |
| 00:36:16 | amiconn | I can't tell for sure. fps display doesn't work, and the grayscale lib gets grainy when changing content fast, due to the way it works |
| 00:36:38 | amiconn | A precalculated stream of b&w frames works way better in that case (i.e. rvf) |
| 00:37:03 | NET||abuse | linuxstb, just got it to register in rythmbox on my laptop, also on edgy |
| 00:37:32 | amiconn | But it looks smooth, unlike on coldfire |
| 00:37:49 | linuxstb_ | Although that might be due to jhMikeS's other improvements. |
| 00:37:52 | amiconn | linuxstb: Care to prepare a 16:9 version? |
| 00:38:00 | linuxstb_ | Unless you've tested it recently on Coldfire... |
| 00:38:11 | amiconn | a few days ago... |
| 00:38:37 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Sure. I'll set it encoding now and upload it in the morning. Sleep is calling me. |
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| 00:38:45 | NET||abuse | yay,, ok, now i can go through with this installation :) |
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| 00:43:14 | NET||abuse | ho hum, what version of ipod mini is this??? hmm |
| 00:46:37 | linuxstb_ | Does it state the capacity on the back? |
| 00:46:51 | jhMikeS | linuxstb_: Which encoder do you use again? I 'd like to try ED on Coldfire with B frames. |
| 00:47:08 | linuxstb_ | mpeg2enc - part of the mjpegtools project. |
| 00:47:29 | amiconn | linuxstb: Doesn't ipodpatcher autodetect the ipod type? |
| 00:47:46 | jhMikeS | were the smaller ones made from the 320x240 source or was there another original? |
| 00:48:12 | NET||abuse | linuxstb, yeh, it's the 4GB version |
| 00:48:19 | NET||abuse | linuxstb, so is that Gen1? |
| 00:48:26 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Yes. it does... |
| 00:48:38 | linuxstb_ | NET||abuse: Just run ipodpatcher, and it will tell you. |
| 00:48:55 | NET||abuse | right, ok. |
| 00:49:09 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: All the encodings were from the 1920x1080 HD version. |
| 00:49:25 | amiconn | wow |
| 00:49:37 | * | amiconn just has the dvd version |
| 00:49:41 | linuxstb_ | Overkill, perhaps... |
| 00:49:51 | * | amiconn considers anything above that overkill |
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| 00:50:09 | jhMikeS | linuxstb_: Where's that one? |
| 00:50:35 | linuxstb_ | I just downloaded it from the ED website. I'm sure it was listed with all the other formts. |
| 00:50:42 | jhMikeS | ah, ok |
| 00:50:42 | linuxstb_ | ^formats |
| 00:52:06 | amiconn | linuxstb: My latest test obviously was on the 14th, because that's the build on my H300 |
| 00:53:17 | amiconn | Bah, mpegplayer just froze :( |
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| 00:57:31 | amiconn | It's a bit better than last week on H300, but still not really usable (even widescreen) |
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| 01:08:29 | amiconn | On X5 widescreen is watchable |
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| 01:15:40 | NET||abuse | is it a good idea to take a dd from both partitions on your ipod before working on uploading rockbox? copying images of sda1 and sda2 ? |
| 01:16:06 | NET||abuse | i'm working on just an old 4GB mini, so not a huge copy for my 160GB drive |
| 01:21:42 | NOCARRIER | I didn't see anything in the guidelines about this, so I'll ask: I'm currently looking to purchase a primary DAP and rockbox it. I'm looking at either the iAudio X5 or the Toshiba Gigabeat. Any reviews I can find are based on the OF, but I'm interested in how the units compare with RB. Does anyone here have experience with both units and has a minute or two to spare discussing them? |
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| 01:24:47 | NOCARRIER | I find the benchmarks for the Mpegplayer plugin quite interesting, and they are what first made me consider the Gigabeat. I would like video, but audio quality and battery life are my main concerns. |
| 01:25:44 | NET||abuse | yawn.... 36GB copied from sda2..... zzzzz |
| 01:25:59 | moos | NOCARRIER: if you does care about video, Gigabeat is a better bet for you |
| 01:26:49 | moos | x5's screen is smaller (160*120) |
| 01:26:50 | toffe82 | audio is good also on the gigabeat, don't know about the Iaudio |
| 01:26:56 | moos | good too |
| 01:27:06 | NET||abuse | umm, i mean 3.8GB copied :) |
| 01:27:25 | * | moos cheers FM and recording and USB OTG on his iaudio |
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| 01:28:02 | NOCARRIER | I keep hearing people say the X5 has the best audio, but I can't find any info (even subjective data) on how big the difference is. This leads me to believe it's not a great difference. |
| 01:28:39 | moos | difference doesn't sounds significative imho for a normal hear |
| 01:28:42 | * | NOCARRIER didn't think RB supported the OTG on the X5. |
| 01:28:49 | moos | both will sounds good enough for you |
| 01:28:55 | moos | not yet |
| 01:29:17 | moos | no usb OTG at all on Rockbox yet |
| 01:30:15 | NOCARRIER | Makes sense. OTG is a PITA to work with when you have all the tech docs, and it's not exactly a I-need-it-every-day feature. :-) |
| 01:30:26 | moos | hehe :) |
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| 01:31:16 | moos | X5 is also easier to put on the pocket (it is smaller than gigabeat) |
| 01:31:43 | moos | bad point for me on iaudios, that the dependency to the subpack for usb or charge |
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| 01:32:27 | NOCARRIER | Hmmm...how does it compare (size-wise) to the iPod (pick a gen)? |
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| 01:32:57 | NOCARRIER | I've read the numbers, but they never quite give you the same impression that holding something does :) |
| 01:35:12 | * | moos never use ipods ;) |
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| 01:36:58 | * | NOCARRIER had to use his brother-in-law's. He didn't keep the id3 tags updated for all the songs, so using that thing hurt. A lot. |
| 01:37:56 | * | moos never used either itunes :p |
| 01:38:47 | NOCARRIER | One of the things I love about RB is the fact that if I don't like the interface, I can just make a new WPS :) |
| 01:39:50 | moos | cosmetic and eyes candy isn't the best point of Rockbox, by far |
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| 01:40:07 | moos | but lot of really usuful feature for a DAP |
| 01:40:20 | moos | feature*s* even |
| 01:40:33 | NOCARRIER | If the audio works, and I can play the music I want, I don't really care what the screen looks like. |
| 01:41:00 | NOCARRIER | Eye candy (especially customizable eye candy) never hurts though ;-) |
| 01:41:03 | moos | indeed, that's rockbox's spirit |
| 01:41:30 | moos | eyes candy on "background" |
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| 01:46:48 | NOCARRIER | One last query about the two before I leave you alone: How is the battery life on the units under RB? The benchmarks show 14-19 hours, but I doubt that's indicative of real life usage (backlight, file browsing, etc). |
| 01:47:42 | moos | if you want the best runtime, go for an M5 |
| 01:47:51 | moos | but greyscale target |
| 01:48:27 | NOCARRIER | M5 or X5? |
| 01:48:37 | moos | M5 |
| 01:48:44 | moos | the greyscale version |
| 01:51:13 | moos | good point of gigabeat too, they are cheaper |
| 01:51:30 | * | NOCARRIER googles around for good prices on the M5 (the X5 (refurb) and Gigabeat F40 were both around the mark) |
| 01:51:44 | NOCARRIER | \$140 (stupid IRC client) |
| 01:52:17 | NET||abuse | weeeeeee,,, got it on the ipod,, thanks for that fun :) now i wuz gonna wipe all the ipod format directories off the drive.. is that ok to do? |
| 01:52:30 | NET||abuse | wuz.. ug,, what's happening to me.. |
| 01:53:10 | NOCARRIER | Thanks for the help, moos! |
| 01:53:19 | moos | no problems |
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| 01:56:46 | pixelma | moos: the M5 doesn't have a radio or USBotg but then it doesn't need the subpack for charging or USB transfers nut can use it if you want to have line-in recording |
| 01:56:51 | pixelma | for example |
| 01:56:58 | moos | good point |
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| 01:59:01 | moos | time to say moo :) |
| 01:59:09 | moos | good night europeans |
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| 03:45:43 | scubacoles | OK found it on the Wiki... for anyone out there wondering.. enable screendump in the System->Debug menu then plug in USB. |
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| 04:16:02 | tom56 | I've tried putting my tagnavi_custom.cfg in the .rockbox folder but it doesn't make any difference to how the menu looks |
| 04:16:44 | tom56 | No one wants to help? |
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| 05:34:41 | hachi | oh, ooops... my earlier question was about a layer 3 switch, not an mp3 player XD |
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| 08:30:55 | BRi7Xtra | Hello. My 5.5G 30GB iPod Video is apparently trying to boot to original firmware. However, when my original firmware boots, for some reason it crashes immediately and reboots the iPod. Does any one have any idea what I can do to stop this? |
| 08:33:38 | GodEater | restore it using iTunes would be favourite |
| 08:34:51 | BRi7Xtra | okay, thank you |
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| 08:58:05 | cadu | yo! back again , question under translating : do i really have to translate the 'voice' section ? :) (portuguese-brazil) will it ever be implemented ? |
| 08:58:38 | B4gder | cadu: if you want to be able to generate a voice for your language |
| 08:59:02 | B4gder | but it can always be done/improved later |
| 08:59:22 | cadu | coz right now there are no pt-br voices, and i'm translating the whole bulk myself :) |
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| 09:00:13 | B4gder | but there are no voices because A) there's no translation and B) nobody did any yet |
| 09:01:31 | amiconn | Iirc there are pt-br voices available for some tts engines, so if portuguese-brazil has the strings, one could make a voice file |
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| 09:02:06 | amiconn | Whether it is allowed to be distributed is another question; commercial tts engines often have strange licensing conditions :( |
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| 09:04:09 | cadu | amiconn: got it, so to speed the release of my language file i'll do the text part now, and later on i'll release a version with the voice tags also (right now everything: voice and text are at 31% done) |
| 09:04:53 | cadu | btw can i leave some "# FIXME' at the file so i can restart later on at points i think i can improve and to signal where i left the voice translation at |
| 09:05:01 | amiconn | Sounds like a plan... |
| 09:05:30 | cadu | this will like, speed up the translation process twofold :) |
| 09:05:46 | * | cadu 's fingers wink :) |
| 09:08:05 | davina | morning all |
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| 09:16:12 | crop | amiconn: here? |
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| 09:19:05 | crop | rockbox.iriver is now in /.rockbox, right? |
| 09:19:12 | petur | yes |
| 09:19:35 | crop | amiconn: why did you use the two dimensional array in the sim? |
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| 09:21:03 | crop | petur: is IriverFlashing in the wiki correct then? Quote: "Navigate to rockbox.iriver, which is located in the root directory of your iriver." |
| 09:21:12 | amiconn | petur: Nah, that was me changing wlan<->ethernet |
| 09:21:21 | amiconn | crop: You mean in utf8_to_ucs2() ? |
| 09:21:47 | crop | amiconn: yes. Why not pass the target buffer as a parameter and use the correct parameter in the macro? |
| 09:22:12 | amiconn | Saving ifdefs, mainly |
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| 09:23:11 | crop | amiconn: how so? The two static buffers would only be defined for windows, and used in windows macros |
| 09:23:18 | amiconn | I wanted a method that gets away without extra ifdefs in the individual file access functions |
| 09:23:27 | amiconn | Hmm, you mean global? |
| 09:23:43 | crop | ... so you have the same amount of ifdef's |
| 09:23:50 | amiconn | That would work... but what would be the real difference? |
| 09:23:53 | crop | amiconn: I mean static |
| 09:24:15 | pondlife | jhMikeS: around? |
| 09:24:21 | crop | amiconn: better readable code. I was confused at first about the two dim buffer. |
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| 09:27:26 | crop | Aren't the images on the wiki page KeymapIriverHSeries copied from the iriver manual which is copyrighted? |
| 09:27:36 | pondlife | Anyone else finding that the simulator's MPEGPlayer is running video at full speed, but audio at the correct speed. Makes no difference if I have l limit FPS enabled or not, as long as Skip Frames is disabled. |
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| 09:28:42 | petur | crop: IriverFlashing page is fixed ;) |
| 09:28:47 | pondlife | i.e. full speed meaning flat out, much faster than the correct speed. |
| 09:29:15 | petur | pondlife: saw the same yesterday evening |
| 09:29:26 | pondlife | On sim? |
| 09:29:41 | petur | yes |
| 09:29:55 | cadu | what Screen Scrolls Out of View really does? been not able to test it and the manual is a bit cryptic on this option |
| 09:30:04 | petur | only slowed down when I enabled skip frames |
| 09:30:55 | crop | petur: I was about to do the same but you was faster! |
| 09:31:26 | pondlife | petur: Yes, but enabling skip frames causes it to run too slowly, albeit in sync. |
| 09:31:43 | petur | crop: :p if you find more errors, feel free to fix, got payed work (tm) to do now |
| 09:32:04 | petur | pondlife: exactly |
| 09:33:01 | crop | petur: ok. I just wanted to confirm that a correction is needed. |
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| 09:36:42 | pondlife | Hmm, I'm getting some garbage icons today too. |
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| 09:37:22 | pondlife | Looks like the icon code isn't handling a misconfiguration properly. |
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| 09:38:17 | bleech | do any of you guys have recommendations on what is the best portable music player to use with rockbox? |
| 09:38:48 | petur | bleech: depends on what you want to do with it |
| 09:38:50 | pondlife | Depends on your requirements, but the Gigabeat is well regarded I hear. |
| 09:39:02 | bleech | i would like something with at least 10 GB |
| 09:39:12 | bleech | preferably hardware accelerated flac and ogg |
| 09:39:13 | pondlife | How about recording or radio? |
| 09:39:14 | bleech | playbak |
| 09:39:20 | petur | fm-radio? recording? ... |
| 09:39:22 | bleech | those would be nice options |
| 09:39:30 | bleech | but not necessary |
| 09:39:43 | bleech | oh |
| 09:39:46 | bleech | and battery life is important |
| 09:39:56 | pondlife | Well the Gigabeat has the most powerful CPU. |
| 09:40:00 | petur | iaudio M5 ? |
| 09:40:17 | B4gder | probably hard to find |
| 09:40:56 | petur | well the targets rb runs best on are all hard to find these days ;) |
| 09:41:08 | pondlife | It has always been the way of Rockbox :) |
| 09:41:16 | bleech | heeh |
| 09:41:29 | B4gder | yeah, but I think gigabeats are easier to find than M5s |
| 09:41:56 | bleech | do any of you use ipods? |
| 09:42:05 | * | pondlife doesn't |
| 09:42:10 | B4gder | I'll wait a few more years and then I'll sell my old recorder for a fortune! ;-P |
| 09:42:23 | pondlife | B4gder: Haha, I sold mine recently for not much. |
| 09:42:24 | petur | B4gder: but if huge battery life is wanted... I remember M5 beating all records |
| 09:42:37 | pondlife | What's the capacity of the M5? |
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| 09:42:40 | pondlife | i.e. GB |
| 09:42:48 | cadu | i have a gigabeat and i'm satisfied with it, bleech |
| 09:42:55 | cadu | bought a month ago (Gigabeat F20) |
| 09:43:39 | cadu | plays everything i throw at it perfectly, with crossfading and whatever else turned on, and plays for like 14 hours unattended or 11/12h with my usual *jumpy* behavior :) |
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| 09:43:49 | bleech | wow |
| 09:43:54 | B4gder | ah M5 has no radio? |
| 09:43:54 | pondlife | IMHO, the PortalPlayer-based targets (including iPods) are best avoided |
| 09:44:05 | cadu | bleech: but no radio (i don't use it anyway, don't care) |
| 09:44:06 | bleech | i have a huge collection of stuff in flac too |
| 09:44:34 | cadu | pondlife: crap battery life (compared to ipod OF) |
| 09:44:35 | bleech | radio would be a nice addition, but i care much more about the other things i listed |
| 09:45:11 | cadu | bleech: plays pacman on the go nicely :) with sound :P yay ! i'm so happy |
| 09:45:15 | B4gder | X5L is a pretty good run-time choice with radio |
| 09:45:19 | * | cadu throws rockboxed gigabeat in the air! |
| 09:45:21 | cadu | hooray! |
| 09:45:24 | bleech | hehe |
| 09:45:28 | pondlife | Don't drop it! |
| 09:45:34 | bleech | i have tried out an ipod on rockbox |
| 09:45:39 | bleech | it definitely takes a battery life hit |
| 09:45:42 | cadu | my baby , jump! fly away! |
| 09:45:44 | cadu | :) |
| 09:45:47 | bleech | on rockbox |
| 09:45:56 | * | pondlife hears a splintering gigabeat. |
| 09:46:05 | bleech | but that is to be expected with apple locking everything up |
| 09:46:10 | cadu | bleech: but about device shortage, yeah, it's really hard to find a gigabeat F/X these days |
| 09:46:14 | pondlife | Well, it's more PortalPlayer. |
| 09:46:42 | pondlife | There are still many unknowns, Rockbox has done very well to get this far... |
| 09:46:43 | cadu | i found mine on a used product store, being sold as new (probably store spare bought by these recycle shops) |
| 09:46:50 | scubacoles | since when?? gigabeat is still very cheap and easy to find here in Oz and the most capable rockbox target...doesn't have recording or radio but is very stable |
| 09:47:31 | bleech | why are the rockbox targets disappearing? |
| 09:47:33 | pondlife | My dream DAP would be an 80GB Gigabeat with recording. |
| 09:47:44 | bleech | models are being retired for new, yet unsupported hardware? |
| 09:47:58 | pondlife | bleech: Because it takes 6 months or so to get a port stable, in which time the manufacturers have moved on. |
| 09:48:05 | cadu | scubacoles: well good for you guys, here in Japan , the land of bleeding edge, anything more than 1 year old vanishes from the shelves |
| 09:48:14 | B4gder | bleech: the industry is fast these days, they push out new things all the time |
| 09:48:26 | B4gder | and we can't keep up with the pace |
| 09:48:33 | cadu | so for me it was quite of a miracle to find it :) |
| 09:48:38 | bleech | do you guys have to reverse-engineer stuff? |
| 09:48:43 | B4gder | 100% |
| 09:48:44 | * | pondlife wonders how long Archos had the Recorders as their cutting edge product. |
| 09:48:50 | bleech | i bet most of these guys never provide specs |
| 09:49:06 | pondlife | Nobody has so far, IIUC. |
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| 09:49:11 | cadu | btw i still can't make the 'screen scrolls out of view' setting work so i can translate the string accordingly :P |
| 09:49:16 | B4gder | bleech: some of them use chips and hardware for which we can fine data sheets, but far from all |
| 09:49:24 | B4gder | s/fine/find |
| 09:49:27 | bleech | that is such garbage |
| 09:49:31 | cadu | the thing just doesn't scrolls out ! |
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| 09:50:20 | bleech | but good job on the hard work |
| 09:50:27 | B4gder | pondlife: I don't think even the Recorder was top of the line for very long, the multimedia stuff came rather soon afterwards |
| 09:50:28 | bleech | i'll find something to use with it |
| 09:50:41 | B4gder | and the v2 and fm etc |
| 09:51:42 | cadu | bleech: you won't be disappointed, i knew/read about rockbox something like 2 years ago, and since then i dreamed in someday buy something just to rockbox it :) |
| 09:52:13 | GodEater | Llorean: <ping> |
| 09:52:19 | bleech | hehe |
| 09:52:20 | cadu | when i found the Gigabeat it was like 'OOH' ,i bought the shit, threw the Toshiba Disc out the window (really) and installed rockbox ! |
| 09:52:26 | bleech | my buddy put it on his ipod |
| 09:52:27 | bleech | and loves it |
| 09:52:36 | GodEater | did yuo hit anyone with the disc you threw out the window ? :) |
| 09:52:36 | bleech | all i had heard about at the time was ipodlinux |
| 09:52:45 | bleech | so i was interested |
| 09:52:54 | cadu | GodEater: i don't know, i'm reckless so i threw it up so it could hit someone at random. |
| 09:52:55 | bleech | but i want something other than the almighty ipod |
| 09:53:12 | bleech | how does the iaudio x5 perform? |
| 09:53:16 | bleech | looks like those are readily available |
| 09:53:29 | cadu | GodEater: but i live near a bunch of rice fields so chances are that i didn't hit anyone :( |
| 09:53:46 | B4gder | bleech: rockbox works fine on the x5, and if you find an x5L you'll get extremely fine run-times (but smaller disk) |
| 09:53:51 | GodEater | cadu: that's a bad thing ? :) |
| 09:53:53 | cadu | seeing the disc spinning 15minutes after buying the player was like a freedom call ! ahhaah |
| 09:54:06 | cadu | voooom...gone :) rockbox, welcome :) |
| 09:54:18 | pondlife | cadu: Better luck hitting someone next time:) |
| 09:54:24 | cadu | thanks ! |
| 09:54:32 | cadu | lmao. |
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| 09:55:00 | cadu | btw, question: why pacman emulator/rockboy can run with sound and doom can't ? |
| 09:55:12 | pondlife | Do you mean with music playing? |
| 09:55:13 | cadu | i mean, doom ran fine on 486dx2/66mhz |
| 09:55:20 | cadu | yeah, concurrent music |
| 09:55:29 | pondlife | Memory usage I think. |
| 09:55:35 | pondlife | i.e. Doom needs the audio buffer to run. |
| 09:55:38 | B4gder | cadu: because it is designed like that, it nicks the audio buffer |
| 09:55:44 | cadu | hmmm. memory , haven't thought of that |
| 09:55:58 | cadu | speaking of -processor power- only it would be perfectly able, right ? |
| 09:56:25 | pondlife | Probably. |
| 09:56:33 | cadu | nice |
| 09:56:45 | cadu | people thrill with that 'plasma' plugin running with music :) ehhehehe |
| 09:56:48 | cadu | looks so nice |
| 09:57:20 | cadu | people with ipods get shy where i work, they start to say stuff like 'your player is so bulky, seems heavy, so BIG' |
| 09:58:16 | cadu | just the -crossfading- already does some 'wows' at the crowd, as they're not techy enought to be thrilled by playability of other stuff than mp3 and itunes-drm-laden-stuff :) |
| 09:58:53 | petur | cadu: most people here know about rockbox already ;) |
| 09:59:12 | cadu | ehhee, sorry :) |
| 09:59:25 | bleech | most people won't understand the playability issue until their entire music collection is owned by others |
| 09:59:25 | * | linuxstb googles |
| 09:59:50 | linuxstb | Only 9 out of the first 10 google hits are for our Rockbox... |
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| 10:01:17 | pondlife | Any icon gurus around who could explain this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=13774 |
| 10:01:17 | pondlife | ? |
| 10:02:19 | pondlife | I've logged a bug report for a potential buffer overflow (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7056), but would like to see if I've done something stoopid. |
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| 10:02:30 | linuxstb | Stating the obvious, it's the external viewers.bmp icons which are causing problems. |
| 10:02:46 | bleech | i guess i have narrowed it down to the iaudio x5 or m5 |
| 10:02:51 | pondlife | Yes, but there's no such garbage icon in that bmp. |
| 10:03:01 | bleech | gigabeats are too hard to find |
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| 10:03:56 | pondlife | This was working ok before, has the .icons file format changed in the past few days? We may also be missing a bounds check. |
| 10:04:15 | linuxstb | bleech: Which part of the world are you in? |
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| 10:09:48 | bleech | california |
| 10:11:01 | markun | bleech: you're too late I guess. 4000 gigabeats (F40) were sold last week in 1 day. |
| 10:11:08 | linuxstb | You missed a bargain (Gigabeat F40 for $99) from officedepot.com last week, but they sold out very quickly. You should be able to buy them on ebay though. |
| 10:11:20 | bleech | damn |
| 10:11:25 | bleech | that cheap? |
| 10:11:36 | scorche | oh wow...how did i miss that? |
| 10:11:38 | bleech | what are the specs on the f40? |
| 10:11:39 | linuxstb | I think $99 is around the price they normally sell for on ebay. |
| 10:11:45 | pondlife | http://www.officedepot.com/ddSKU.do?level=SK&id=734578&cm_mmc=TLShopping-_-PriceRunner-_-Electronics-_-Toshiba%2040GB%20Digital%20Audio%20Player%20%7C still says "In Stock" |
| 10:12:03 | linuxstb | bleech: 300MHz ARM CPU, 240x320 LCD, 40GB disk... |
| 10:12:19 | pondlife | http://www.officedepot.com/ddSKU.do?level=SK&id=734578 even |
| 10:12:45 | linuxstb | bleech: No radio or recording, but I think others have mentioned that. |
| 10:12:46 | markun | bleech: btw, if you are looking for Gigabeat specs, don't look at the wikipedia page |
| 10:12:51 | markun | it's full of errors |
| 10:13:07 | markun | I should probably get an account for the English wikipedia and correct them |
| 10:13:26 | B4gder | you need an account for that? |
| 10:13:26 | linuxstb | bleech: And I think people are getting around 16 hours runtime on a full charge with Rockbox. |
| 10:13:45 | bleech | thats great |
| 10:13:49 | B4gder | I've edited the Rockbox wikipedia page numerous times without account |
| 10:13:54 | markun | B4gder: I would think so. I needed one when I was working on the Esperanto version. |
| 10:14:03 | markun | ok, I'll try it then |
| 10:14:17 | bleech | does the filetype affect battery life significantly? |
| 10:14:23 | bleech | like if i use mp3 vs. flac |
| 10:14:38 | B4gder | bleech: it affects how often the disk spins up etc, so it matters |
| 10:14:46 | linuxstb | bitrate is probably the biggest factor - the higher the bitrate, the more disk spinups.... |
| 10:15:06 | linuxstb | But that's slightly compensated because FLAC is less CPU-intensive to decode than mp3. |
| 10:16:15 | bleech | how much worse would it be, as a rough estimate? |
| 10:16:23 | bleech | 1/2 the battery life? 95%? |
| 10:16:46 | linuxstb | I would guess about 70-80% but that's just a complete guess... |
| 10:17:08 | linuxstb | Someone needs to do some measurements - I may well do some... |
| 10:18:37 | markun | I don't know how to start to 'fix' this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabeat#Gigabeat_S_vs._Gigabeat_X |
| 10:18:47 | markun | it's almost completely untrue |
| 10:19:04 | pondlife | Hmm, my sim seems very ill. :( It refuses to build a database - like the thread's not running. |
| 10:19:24 | linuxstb | markun: Replace "S" with "F" ? |
| 10:20:01 | linuxstb | Although are they similar from a functionality viewpoint? |
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| 10:22:19 | * | linuxstb wonders what this means in the description of the Gigabeat U - "the first DAP to include a 1-bit digital-analog converter, which reduces the distortion and speeds up the recording process" |
| 10:22:43 | pondlife | d-a or a-d? |
| 10:22:54 | linuxstb | The page says d-a |
| 10:25:49 | Zagor | I get bogus bitrate display on mp3 files on h140, latest firmware. all are 96kbit, but wps shows 40, 448, 80 etc. |
| 10:26:14 | Zagor | consistent, but wrong. the files are from a ripped shoutcast stream. |
| 10:26:56 | linuxstb | Do they have any odd headers? |
| 10:27:34 | Zagor | do we have a good header analysis tool other than hexl-mode in emacs? ;) |
| 10:27:44 | markun | linuxstb: I deleted the whole section |
| 10:28:03 | Zagor | possibly they're simply badly cut in the rip, so they begin with half frames |
| 10:28:44 | Zagor | no, they begin with id3 frames |
| 10:28:53 | linuxstb | Zagor: I normally use "madplay" as a first test - that will tell me if there are any unusual bytes at the beginning of the file, or if it's "clean". |
| 10:29:07 | GodEater | markun: probably best to add a bit to the discussion page to say you've done it, and why. |
| 10:31:31 | Zagor | madplay says "error: frame 0: lost synchronization", so it appears the id3 tag is poorly formed somehow. |
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| 10:33:06 | markun | GodEater: I would like to change the complete layout of the page actually |
| 10:33:37 | markun | to have the specs for each player in a bullet list, instead of scattered around |
| 10:35:17 | GodEater | markun: well put that in the discussion page too - don't want you getting banned for "wiki vandalisation" ;) |
| 10:36:16 | Llorean | "Frankly, this article sucks. I've redone it. C'mon, try to at least do a little research first, guys"? |
| 10:36:26 | GodEater | that'd do :) |
| 10:37:20 | GodEater | Llorean: I've made a patch to the manual around the RoLo feature for the Gigabeat as discussed yesterday |
| 10:38:04 | Llorean | GodEater: Cool, good to hear |
| 10:38:23 | GodEater | but I can't find a good way to do the change to the installation page which describes the rockbox bootloader as giving dual boot functionality |
| 10:39:13 | GodEater | should I add a similar note there saying "Not currently working on the Gigabeat" ? |
| 10:39:33 | Llorean | Seems fair to me. |
| 10:41:07 | markun | GodEater: even the japanese version contains errors |
| 10:42:23 | markun | They claim that the X uses 18 bit colour and the F only 15, but both use in fact 16 bits (RGB555i) |
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| 10:50:03 | markun | GodEater: also, it says that the F is the second generation, but I'm pretty sure the MEG50JS is the first one not part of the "G" series: http://journal.mycom.co.jp/news/2002/06/17/19a.jpg |
| 10:50:21 | markun | so that would make the F series 3rd gen |
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| 10:55:03 | GodEater | Llorean: FS #7057 : if you care to review and possibly commit. |
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| 11:53:29 | linuxstb | amiconn: The 16:9 ED for your mini - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/144x80.zip |
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| 12:05:10 | spiorf | with the last mpegplayer modifications on my ipod nano video runs much faster than it should |
| 12:05:31 | spiorf | (limit fps=on and skip frames=off) |
| 12:06:38 | Llorean | You should never have skip frames off under normal playback conditions. |
| 12:06:47 | Llorean | But this does sound like a bug |
| 12:10:10 | Llorean | The skip frames option should only ever be disabled for when you're testing the maximum framerate. |
| 12:11:59 | spiorf | but if the video can run faster, i should not need to drop frames |
| 12:12:23 | spiorf | instead of dropping frame after a temporary slowdown, it can run faster and sync again with audio |
| 12:13:52 | Llorean | Look, I'm just telling you: You're not supposed to disable it for normal use. |
| 12:14:07 | Llorean | It's not intended to be disabled for anything outside of testing. |
| 12:14:13 | markun | spiorf: what's the FPS you get? |
| 12:14:18 | markun | and what should it be? |
| 12:14:33 | markun | (just curious) |
| 12:14:35 | Llorean | markun: I got 40 when it should be 25 |
| 12:14:46 | Llorean | Skip Frames seems to be a requirement for framerate limiting now. |
| 12:14:51 | markun | ah, you have the same problem? |
| 12:14:53 | markun | ok |
| 12:15:04 | Llorean | Yeah, I do have it, but really, Skip Frames is not supposed to be disabled. |
| 12:15:15 | spiorf | heh, right now i can't test: i tried an older version and got data abort at 0xsomething |
| 12:15:32 | Llorean | If he wants to disable debug options, and they cause odd behaviour, it's really his problem, I think. |
| 12:16:19 | Llorean | I'm sure it'll either get fixed eventually, or the "Skip Frames" option will be removed altogether (or put somewhere where it's clearly a debug option) |
| 12:16:42 | markun | I think it's good that he reported it |
| 12:17:12 | markun | if settings don't do what they are supposed to do it's not just his problem |
| 12:17:20 | Llorean | It's a debug option, not a real setting. |
| 12:17:25 | spiorf | i didn't know that it was intended to be on |
| 12:17:41 | spiorf | it was just a thing like "hey, look, i got a bug using this settings" |
| 12:17:52 | markun | spiorf: exactly |
| 12:18:12 | Llorean | markun: I didn't say it was bad he reported it, I just tried to say that the fact that it isn't working isn't a big deal |
| 12:18:36 | Llorean | Skip Frames and Framerate limiting both have to be off for benchmarking, and they both have to be on for proper playback. |
| 12:19:00 | Llorean | Though it is odd that disabling Skip Frames breaks framerate limiting right now. |
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| 12:20:29 | spiorf | with skip frames on i get 24.9, which is ok. with skip off i get 25.6 |
| 12:21:05 | dionoea | maybe your movie uses 25fps :) |
| 12:21:12 | Llorean | spiorf: You have to test from the beginning of the file for it to be valid |
| 12:21:16 | Llorean | FPS is the average over the whole file so far. |
| 12:21:23 | Llorean | dionoea: No, it's definitely a valid problem |
| 12:21:39 | dionoea | ok :) |
| 12:21:56 | Llorean | It's just that the "Skip Frames" option shouldn't really be there for users, kinda like the "Disk Power Down" option |
| 12:22:17 | Llorean | My guess is that it just accidentally got broken, and nobody's had it off, but limiting on, at the same time, to notice. |
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| 12:22:28 | Llorean | Since there's no situation that you should really be doing that. :) |
| 12:24:00 | spiorf | Llorean, my mpg is 25fps, so 24.9 is good if intended as average |
| 12:24:00 | spiorf | I remember i took skip feame off because in the past it was actually skipping some frame |
| 12:24:01 | spiorf | even if it can play the video faster than 25fps |
| 12:24:01 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK spiorf |
| 12:24:01 | spiorf | and i left it off until now |
| 12:24:19 | Llorean | spiorf: Frame skip has improved a lot. |
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| 12:25:00 | spiorf | yeah, just noticed that |
| 12:25:15 | Llorean | It shouldn't skip unless it really does need to. |
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| 12:28:29 | gromit` | 8~kw |
| 12:28:34 | gromit` | oops sorry |
| 12:31:18 | spiorf | i also noticed another bug: the scrollwheel seems a bit lagged in some menus, while in other is perfect. but in the first ~10 seconds after power on, it's fluid everywhere. |
| 12:31:38 | spiorf | for example the main menu is lagged, and so settings |
| 12:31:48 | spiorf | file browser and database are ok instead |
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| 12:32:25 | Llorean | This is the standard iPod poor performance. |
| 12:32:31 | tom56 | I've created a tagnavi_custom.cfg but it doesn't seem to be doing anything |
| 12:32:36 | tom56 | i.e. the menu stays the same |
| 12:32:40 | tom56 | Any ideas? |
| 12:32:51 | Llorean | tom56: Use an official build, and verify it with that, first. |
| 12:33:04 | tom56 | What's an official build? |
| 12:33:05 | Llorean | maxwen0's build is Unsupported. |
| 12:33:13 | tom56 | OK |
| 12:33:24 | Llorean | Official builds are those provided by rockbox.org's "Current Build" page. |
| 12:33:26 | Llorean | Unpatched. |
| 12:34:04 | tom56 | Out of interest - what could cause this to break? It's no use finding out it works in the regular build if I can't get it to work in the build I use |
| 12:34:22 | Llorean | It could be any of a hundred things. |
| 12:34:42 | tom56 | OK - what should I do if I find it works in the regular build? |
| 12:34:42 | Llorean | Maxwen0's build contains a lot of unofficial code. |
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| 12:35:03 | Llorean | You should contact the provider of your custom build (maxwen0) and try to find out if he has any idea what change he's made to the official version that breaks it. |
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| 12:35:45 | spiorf | btw, was't it tagnavi_custom.config instead of .cfg? |
| 12:36:01 | tom56 | OK, thanks. Is it possible to boot the official build without removing maxwen0's so I don't have to install everything again |
| 12:36:24 | tom56 | sporf - yeah you're right, but I think it is named correctly - I'll check that though |
| 12:37:03 | tom56 | I've checked - the name is right |
| 12:37:14 | linuxstb | tom56: You can just backup your .rockbox folder and then restore it afterwards. |
| 12:37:38 | tom56 | linuxstb: D'oh! Don't know why I didn't think of that - am a bit slow I guess :) |
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| 12:41:47 | tom56 | Well the official build seems to get as far as the rockbox splash screen then stops there |
| 12:43:02 | Llorean | Are you using the "dual boot bootloader" or the official one? |
| 12:43:29 | tom56 | The dual one |
| 12:44:11 | amiconn | petur: It's the M5L that beats alll records to be precise |
| 12:44:46 | tom56 | I don't want to use the official one because I don't want to lose the OF |
| 12:44:50 | amiconn | These only exist as 20GB models (but you can put larger single platter hdds in of course) |
| 12:45:26 | Llorean | tom56: Then go to maxwen0 and try to have him figure out why your tagnavi isn't working. We really can't be responsible for the possibility that other people's code is causing your problems. |
| 12:45:28 | LinusN | tom56: out of curiosity, what feature of the OF is it that you can |
| 12:45:34 | LinusN | 't live without? |
| 12:45:36 | amiconn | Without backlight, the M5L gives >50 hours of playtime (measured with 192kbps mp3) |
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| 12:46:10 | tom56 | The FM radio is much easier to use. And I only bought my x5 yesterday so I want to be able to take it back to the shop if it goes wrong. |
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| 12:46:14 | * | B4gder made some first little efforts into the area of "speculative parallell builds" for the build system |
| 12:46:43 | B4gder | just some extra logging/verbose info for now |
| 12:46:53 | B4gder | to research the possibilities on the upcoming commits |
| 12:46:58 | LinusN | tom56: could you explain how we could make the fm radio better in rockbox? |
| 12:47:18 | B4gder | we can see how some of the fastest servers get to wait quite a lot lately |
| 12:48:10 | tom56 | The scan didn't seem to pick up as many stations and using the Clix theme the text is in the top left corner which makes it unreadable (as the theme has some text on the backdrop at that point. |
| 12:48:34 | B4gder | in the most recent build storebror was done after 160 seconds, and the build took 333 ... |
| 12:49:35 | LinusN | tom56: ok, i see. the scan is being perfected, it's not yet included in SVN, and one of those days the fm screen will be themable as well |
| 12:49:41 | tom56 | I've posted about the tagnavi problem in the iaudiophile forums which I know maxwen0 uses so hopefully he'll be able to help me |
| 12:50:21 | tom56 | I expect the answer will probably be the same for my next problem but I'll ask anyway |
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| 12:51:03 | markun | tom56: again something that works fine with the official build but not on his? |
| 12:51:05 | tom56 | Choosing Click to Insert and setting it to Queue seems to make no difference, i.e. the dynamic playlist is still erased rather than the track being queued |
| 12:51:15 | Llorean | markun: He hasn't tested with the official build. |
| 12:51:18 | tom56 | markun: I can't get the official build to work |
| 12:51:28 | markun | aha |
| 12:51:31 | Llorean | tom56: "Click to Insert" isn't a feature of the official build. |
| 12:51:47 | Llorean | markun: He's using the dual boot bootloader, and the official build is apparently freezing for him while booting. |
| 12:51:51 | LinusN | tom56: can't get it to work? |
| 12:51:59 | LinusN | oh |
| 12:52:01 | tom56 | I thought as much - I was just hoping you might have come across the problem before and know a solution |
| 12:52:17 | tom56 | It's fair enough if you can't help |
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| 12:57:25 | tom56 | Ok - slightly closer with the tagnavi problem |
| 12:57:59 | tom56 | Back using maxwen0's build - if I forget to delete the include line then it gets stuck in a looop |
| 12:58:07 | tom56 | This at least proves that the file is being read |
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| 13:01:34 | * | B4gder has a please-confused-users commit coming right up |
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| 13:02:05 | markun | LinusN: are you familiar with the playlist code? |
| 13:02:27 | LinusN | not really, what do you want to know? |
| 13:03:12 | * | B4gder was familiar with it... then came Hardeep and all that fancy dynamic stuff ;-) |
| 13:03:19 | LinusN | same here :-) |
| 13:04:07 | * | Llorean wants to know how B4gder is going to please confused users. |
| 13:04:27 | B4gder | well, just one particular kind |
| 13:04:34 | B4gder | the ones with spaces in their paths |
| 13:04:55 | Llorean | Ah |
| 13:05:01 | Llorean | That'll be nice though |
| 13:05:24 | B4gder | and the "fix" is just that configure refuses to run |
| 13:05:34 | linuxstb | mv rockbox-devel "My rockbox development folder" |
| 13:05:34 | B4gder | with a note telling why |
| 13:05:57 | linuxstb | mv "My rockbox development folder" rockbox-devel |
| 13:07:32 | * | B4gder hits forehead |
| 13:07:41 | petur | heh |
| 13:07:51 | tom56 | Fixed the tagnavi problem! Seems the config was just really shoddy - I downloaded a different one and it works, Now I need to change it to do what I want. Thanks for all the help! :) |
| 13:08:03 | LinusN | tom56: have fun! |
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| 13:08:23 | * | B4gder committed that change in a somewhat funny way so it didn't trigger any build |
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| 13:14:02 | B4gder | does the sound detection for the simulator really make any sense with sdl? |
| 13:14:13 | B4gder | within configure I mean |
| 13:14:43 | B4gder | "We have a header file so we can build the sound code" |
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| 13:17:47 | linuxstb | B4gder: No, it doesn't seem to make sense. Are you going to remove X11/win32 sim support? |
| 13:18:10 | B4gder | yes |
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| 13:29:48 | B4gder | now, let's see how much this broke ;-) |
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| 13:35:03 | B4gder | oops |
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| 13:35:40 | preglow | hahaha |
| 13:35:46 | preglow | configure doesn't work in a dir that contains spaces? |
| 13:35:49 | preglow | how 1980 is that |
| 13:36:00 | B4gder | hehe |
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| 13:38:44 | voltagex | hi, anyone active? I killed my H340 and need some help. |
| 13:39:04 | linuxstb | Help fixing your h340 or help choosing a new DAP? |
| 13:39:22 | voltagex | fixing if possible |
| 13:39:28 | voltagex | I don't have much money at the moment |
| 13:39:36 | voltagex | it's now stuck in USB mode |
| 13:39:46 | voltagex | even after several restarts/hard resets |
| 13:39:51 | linuxstb | What did you do that makes you think you killed it? |
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| 13:40:14 | voltagex | plugged it into the wrong charger |
| 13:40:39 | voltagex | sorry, should have said that first :P |
| 13:40:46 | preglow | the congrats, there's a big chance it IS killed |
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| 13:41:54 | voltagex | preglow: I'm annoyed, the charger was lower voltage, lower amperage and the same polarity as the h300 charger |
| 13:42:29 | voltagex | preglow: drive still mounts fine, disk is fine |
| 13:42:40 | petur | usb works, you mean |
| 13:43:07 | voltagex | petur: yes, just can't get into the actual player! |
| 13:43:14 | linuxstb | voltagex: So what happens when you turn it on? |
| 13:43:33 | voltagex | linuxstb: in rockbox Bootloader USB mode, in OF USB Connected |
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| 13:43:55 | linuxstb | That's without a USB cable attached? |
| 13:44:01 | voltagex | linuxstb: yes :S |
| 13:45:08 | linuxstb | Does the rockbox bootloader display any other messages? |
| 13:45:28 | voltagex | linuxstb: like the checksum? |
| 13:45:35 | linuxstb | Anything... |
| 13:45:38 | voltagex | linuxstb: nothing that I haven't seen before |
| 13:45:58 | LinusN | well, of the OF also thinks the USB is connected, it surely is electrical |
| 13:46:02 | voltagex | as in, everything that a normal H300 with Rockbox displays |
| 13:46:10 | voltagex | LinusN: worth repairing? |
| 13:46:50 | LinusN | not sure how though |
| 13:46:59 | PaulJam | voltagex: if you search on MR there are many threads decribing the same problem. you could try if this helps: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=11314 |
| 13:47:07 | voltagex | I'd love to know *what* I fried |
| 13:47:18 | voltagex | fuse, capacitor, resistor |
| 13:48:19 | preglow | you might have fried the cpu itself |
| 13:48:30 | voltagex | preglow: but it still boots? |
| 13:48:40 | preglow | then there's still hope, at least |
| 13:48:48 | preglow | people have fixed irivers where the cpu survived |
| 13:48:48 | voltagex | PaulJam: thanks, in the picture they're shorting the outside pins? |
| 13:51:55 | * | linuxstb wonders if it's the same issue some ipod owners have reported - charging being reported in the Apple firmware even with no cable attached, and Rockbox incorrectly detecting a USB connection. |
| 13:53:13 | dionoea | voltagex: can't you comment out he usb detection code in rockbox ? (and then still use it) |
| 13:53:19 | dionoea | *the |
| 13:53:38 | voltagex | dionoea: maybe, I'll try tomorrow, I need sleep |
| 13:57:19 | * | petur wonders what http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=285982&postcount=27 could mean |
| 13:57:48 | PaulJam | dionoea: but the bootloader would still detect an usb connection, unnless he changes the bootloader too, adn this requires to be able to boot the of |
| 13:58:27 | LinusN | it surely introduces a brick-risk |
| 13:59:55 | voltagex | oh well, it's pretty much dead now |
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| 14:00:05 | dionoea | Oh, i though that he was able to boot the OF |
| 14:00:10 | voltagex | anyway, back tomorrow |
| 14:00:16 | voltagex | dionoea: nope, I killed it well |
| 14:00:25 | voltagex | g'night |
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| 14:00:27 | voltagex | thanks all |
| 14:00:28 | dionoea | arf :) |
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| 14:07:01 | pondlife | Hmm, my database not building on the sim was due to dircache blocking. Anyone here fancy looking at firmware/common/dircache.c? I reckon that dircache_is_initializing() should be &&-ing, not ||-ing... |
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| 14:12:23 | B4gder | ok, the buildmaster logs now contain a little list dump every now and then showing what pending builds there are... |
| 14:12:46 | B4gder | being potential ones to get built by one of the servers that are already done |
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| 14:20:07 | B4gder | the size differences with my two commits are weird |
| 14:20:19 | B4gder | since they were sim changes |
| 14:24:27 | pondlife | Different build servere producing different sized output? |
| 14:24:31 | pondlife | servers, even |
| 14:24:39 | Llorean | Could it be the 64-bit ones? |
| 14:25:06 | linuxstb | The "-20" build was on amiconn's server, and the other two on builder.fnarfbargle.com So yes, maybe a 64-bit issue. |
| 14:25:18 | Llorean | fnarfbargle.com? |
| 14:25:26 | pondlife | Anyone got an idea about that dircache problem I mentioned? |
| 14:25:31 | linuxstb | Llorean: That's what it says... |
| 14:25:41 | linuxstb | pondlife: My idea would be to ask Slasheri... |
| 14:25:56 | pondlife | Ah, I thought he was Mr Tagcache. |
| 14:25:59 | pondlife | Not Mr Dircache |
| 14:26:03 | Llorean | He's kinda both. |
| 14:26:05 | B4gder | he's cacheri |
| 14:26:10 | linuxstb | No, he's tagcache, dircache and flash... |
| 14:26:10 | pondlife | Slasheri: around? |
| 14:26:24 | B4gder | flashcache! |
| 14:26:31 | * | B4gder hides |
| 14:26:32 | linuxstb | Sounds like a Marx Brothers law firm... |
| 14:26:32 | Llorean | Just what we need! |
| 14:27:41 | pondlife | Well, I'll leave my unpatched sim over lunch to see if it ever finishes blocking... but I doubt it. BBL |
| 14:29:49 | linuxstb | Bagder: Could we (you?) calculate the real binary size? I was thinking of a file in the rockbox.zip (something like .rockbox/rockbox.info) which could contain things like target, version number, (maybe useful for rbutil), build server, binary size. build dates.... |
| 14:30:11 | Llorean | That would probably be useful for a variety of reasons. |
| 14:31:17 | B4gder | yes, I would love that |
| 14:31:44 | * | petur thinks of a cookie in the binary that can be patched after the build |
| 14:32:21 | B4gder | I'll see if I can put together a first attempt right now |
| 14:32:26 | Llorean | petur: For? |
| 14:32:47 | petur | to put that info in the binary and not in an extra file? |
| 14:32:52 | Llorean | Ah |
| 14:33:00 | Llorean | I like the idea as a file |
| 14:33:11 | Llorean | It's really useful for RBUtil |
| 14:33:13 | petur | I won't argue with you ;) |
| 14:33:34 | Llorean | RBUtil can look for a specific one file, rather than different binary names in different places. |
| 14:33:47 | linuxstb | B4gder: gcc and binutils versions could also be useful... |
| 14:33:48 | Llorean | Then it knows what sort of player is attached, and whether it's an up to date version or not. |
| 14:34:10 | B4gder | linuxstb: yeps, I'll set up the infrastructure and basic things and then we can easily expand |
| 14:34:14 | Llorean | A cookie in the binary makes it one less file, but it also means rbutile has to look for rockbox.ipod, rockbox.gigabeat, etc. |
| 14:34:28 | * | petur hopes that doesn't screw things when users start updating bin files only |
| 14:34:36 | linuxstb | A cookie in the binary would be nice as well.... |
| 14:34:49 | Llorean | petur: Users updating bin files only makes me cry. |
| 14:34:58 | petur | hahaha |
| 14:36:13 | linuxstb | Anyone have a better idea for the filename than rockbox.info? buildinfo.txt ? |
| 14:36:39 | Llorean | linuxstb: I like rockbox.info, since it's not just build info (to me). |
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| 14:38:08 | linuxstb | I was just thinking that a .txt extension may make it easier when it comes to asking users what's contained in that file. |
| 14:39:03 | Llorean | Ah |
| 14:39:09 | Llorean | This is very true. |
| 14:39:14 | GodEater | linuxstb: good thinking |
| 14:39:16 | Llorean | rbinfo.txt maybe? |
| 14:40:46 | linuxstb | Or rockboxinfo.txt |
| 14:45:16 | B4gder | Target: e200 |
| 14:45:16 | B4gder | Target id: 23 |
| 14:45:16 | B4gder | Target define: -DSANSA_E200 |
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| 14:45:16 | B4gder | Version: r13215M-070420 |
| 14:45:17 | B4gder | gcc: arm-elf-gcc (GCC) 4.0.3 |
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| 14:47:54 | markun | B4gder: are you "dast" ? |
| 14:48:14 | preglow | rockbox-info.txt |
| 14:48:24 | linuxstb | we have a winner... |
| 14:48:29 | preglow | .info is definitely not good |
| 14:48:37 | B4gder | markun: hehe, yeah that was a little mistake of mine |
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| 14:49:04 | markun | sorry for not finishing my question about the playlist code btw :) |
| 14:49:21 | markun | I was distracted by lunch |
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| 14:51:24 | linuxstb | markun: Did anyone ever do power consumption measurements on the gigabeat when Rockbox was doing different things? |
| 14:52:11 | markun | appart from toffe's measurements which playing and while doing nothing: no |
| 14:52:22 | markun | s/which/while/ |
| 14:55:46 | B4gder | ok, I committed that first step |
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| 14:56:45 | B4gder | at least as a first step it should make the delta table better |
| 14:57:04 | linuxstb | Nice. 27 minutes between feature request and commit... |
| 14:57:32 | B4gder | :-) |
| 14:58:17 | linuxstb | Is the size of rockbox.bin the important one for the Archos targets? |
| 14:58:22 | Slasheri | pondlife: i will check that soon. || is correct for that |
| 14:58:29 | B4gder | linuxstb: yes afair |
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| 14:58:46 | * | B4gder checks... |
| 14:59:14 | linuxstb | What about rombox? Should we look at rombox.map ? |
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| 15:00:46 | markun | B4gder: time to look at add_track_to_playlist after this? |
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| 15:00:56 | linuxstb | A table with the various important sizes for the different targets, along with the current SVN size would be very nice... |
| 15:00:58 | B4gder | time for coffee I'd say ;-) |
| 15:06:05 | * | linuxstb calculates recorder v1 is 6072 bytes too big for rombox |
| 15:07:54 | linuxstb | Or maybe more... |
| 15:08:08 | Llorean | I was thinking that seems pretty close. |
| 15:08:25 | Llorean | Wouldn't the bootbox revision make that fit? |
| 15:08:26 | B4gder | grr, since the archos builds fail they don't run mkinfo... :-/ |
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| 15:09:41 | linuxstb | It could be another 4004 bytes - i.e. 10076 bytes away... |
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| 15:45:22 | preglow | linuxstb: langv2 cleanup won't fix that, heh |
| 15:45:37 | preglow | but seriously, i think we should have some kind of size freeze soon |
| 15:45:52 | preglow | perhaps something for the devcon agenda? |
| 15:46:00 | preglow | i want this rombox thing out of the world |
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| 15:56:20 | B4gder | hm, make -j ruins the script |
| 15:56:33 | B4gder | it runs the info-gathering before the final binary is complete |
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| 16:08:15 | B4gder | i need to fix that before I can rely on that file for the delta table |
| 16:08:34 | B4gder | I'll save that for later... |
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| 16:20:43 | amiconn | linuxstb: It's 6072+3284 |
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| 16:21:13 | elinenbe_ | let's talk rockbox for a minute? |
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| 16:21:40 | elinenbe_ | after watching that TV thing... I think it is about time we improve on the default theme/font/etc. for rockbox for each target. |
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| 16:21:52 | elinenbe_ | It |
| 16:22:00 | Llorean | elinenbe_: I think fixing bugs is more important, over all. |
| 16:22:35 | elinenbe_ | Llorean, all we need to do is package a decent agreeable theme with each version, and set the cfg file to it... |
| 16:22:51 | markun | rockboxed :) |
| 16:22:58 | elinenbe_ | yeah −− that would be fine. |
| 16:22:59 | Llorean | elinenbe_: It also needs to be compiled in. |
| 16:23:14 | Llorean | Or at least, Rockbox needs to work if it's not present. |
| 16:23:37 | Llorean | I also don't think Rockboxed is the best looking option, it's a little harsh and sparse. |
| 16:23:37 | elinenbe_ | Llorean: leave the default compiled in, and in the downloadable packages, include the new theme... that's all I am saying |
| 16:23:49 | Llorean | elinenbe_: Put together a patch. |
| 16:23:49 | elinenbe_ | Llorean: argree with that. |
| 16:23:54 | elinenbe_ | I think I will. |
| 16:25:10 | Llorean | I don't think anyone disagrees with "Rockbox could look prettier", but it might be nice to wait until say... Album Art and a few other theme features are done (viewports) |
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| 16:28:54 | aliask | I disagree with the whole "a wps is only acceptable if it has a version for every target" rule. |
| 16:29:21 | Llorean | So you think Rockbox should look dramatically different on each target? |
| 16:29:34 | aliask | Because of the differences in screen sizes (and orientation) it's difficult to get a wps to look good on each. |
| 16:29:39 | Llorean | There's nothing that prevents a WPS from being made for each target (barring Player) other than the designer not being willing to do it. |
| 16:29:45 | Zagor | elinenbe: what is "that TV thing"? |
| 16:29:47 | Llorean | You can aim for similarity though. |
| 16:30:10 | aliask | Llorean: I suppose so. Perhaps my objection was not really well thought out ;P |
| 16:30:25 | GodEater | Zagor: dl.tv did a program featuring rockbox |
| 16:30:44 | GodEater | s/programme/program ;) |
| 16:30:54 | GodEater | much too used to typing the latter form |
| 16:30:58 | Llorean | aliask: I don't mind minor or even moderate differences (different fonts), but the information available on the WPS should at least be in a similar layout, with a similar background. |
| 16:31:05 | Llorean | Like iCatcher, they aren't all identical but they're very similar. |
| 16:31:47 | Llorean | But I'm _really_ not a fan of Rockboxed, personally. |
| 16:31:59 | GodEater | I like it's layout |
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| 16:32:02 | GodEater | but not it's colour scheme |
| 16:32:05 | Llorean | If we're going to pick a theme that "shows off" Rockbox, it's just not very suitable. |
| 16:32:09 | * | markun is a fan |
| 16:32:23 | markun | but he's also colour blind |
| 16:32:24 | aliask | I like the rocker theme for sansa/5g, perhaps I should adapt it to a few more targets and see what happens. |
| 16:32:25 | Llorean | The color scheme hurts my eyes, and it shows very little information for the space. |
| 16:32:27 | GodEater | markun: even of the lurid yellow ? |
| 16:32:37 | markun | yes, looks find to me |
| 16:32:40 | GodEater | wow |
| 16:32:55 | markun | same colours as a wasp, no? |
| 16:33:03 | GodEater | Llorean: I don't think a default rockbox theme SHOULD overdo the info displayed |
| 16:33:18 | GodEater | especially if it's got to fit on the smaller screened targets and still look consistent |
| 16:33:28 | Zagor | I think Rockboxed is a good choice for the H140 anyway. that's the only place I've seen it :-) |
| 16:33:33 | GodEater | I use Rockboxed on my H140 |
| 16:33:34 | Llorean | GodEater: Underdoing is just as bad though |
| 16:33:38 | GodEater | no nasty yellow though |
| 16:33:56 | Zagor | it's nice and clean and not too crowded |
| 16:33:58 | GodEater | Llorean: you have to admit it's an improvement on the default though |
| 16:33:58 | Llorean | I think Rockboxed could do with an alternating subline with 3 pages showing next track Artist/Album/Title |
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| 16:34:25 | aliask | Perhaps we should have a different standard theme according to the LCD. ie grayscale targets have one, colour have another |
| 16:34:29 | Llorean | As well as a numeric volume display, unless someone feels like implementing my volume feature request. |
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| 16:34:51 | GodEater | numeric as in "in dB" ? |
| 16:34:55 | Llorean | GodEater: My main problem with Rockboxed though, is it is "Just text" still. |
| 16:34:58 | AceNik | guys i made changes to a wps originally built for gigabeat , now its for h10 so i contacted the author if i could upload the modified theme , but there hasn't bin a reply since 3weeks |
| 16:34:59 | Zagor | Llorean: actually I disagree. I think most people prefer the uncluttered display over the extra information |
| 16:35:21 | Llorean | GodEater: Numeric as in "Not a stupid picture that doesn't really work at lower volumes, nor show me when I'm at line level" |
| 16:35:24 | Zagor | "most people" is a terrible wording, but "many people" anyway |
| 16:35:26 | aliask | Adapting a "nice looking" colour WPS to grayscale makes chances that are so sweeping you may as well have a different WPS altogether. |
| 16:35:42 | Llorean | Zagor: I prefer mine fairly minimal, but a lot of our users choose Rockbox because it can be themed. |
| 16:35:55 | GodEater | I think (apart from colour preference already stated) rockbox is an excellent cross target theme |
| 16:35:59 | Llorean | Zagor: And consistently the most popular WPSes are the ridiculous ones, that's why so many people use unsupported builds: Prettier WPSes |
| 16:36:03 | GodEater | *rockboxed |
| 16:36:21 | GodEater | Llorean: what are you basing that on? |
| 16:36:26 | Zagor | Llorean: yes, and those users will theme it. the default thus should be a nice wps for the part of the audience that might NOT theme it |
| 16:36:30 | GodEater | do you have figures for the number of downloads ? |
| 16:36:42 | Llorean | GodEater: Based on discussion rates primarily. |
| 16:36:54 | Llorean | Maybe people who like simple themes aren't as vocal about it |
| 16:36:57 | GodEater | I submit that those discussion rates are BECAUSE those themes require patched builds |
| 16:37:06 | GodEater | and therefore aren't as easy to get working for joe public |
| 16:37:10 | Llorean | GodEater: You can also look at the ratio of simply designed ones to complex ones. |
| 16:37:18 | aliask | AceNik: Sounds reasonable, if I were you I'd upload it anyway. |
| 16:37:23 | Llorean | At least the creators seem more inspired to make complicated ones. |
| 16:37:31 | GodEater | Llorean: that only tells me about the designers preference, not the end users |
| 16:37:35 | Zagor | in my opinion the default wps should be a good compromise, that makes the player very friendly and usable but not overcrowd newbies with info and/or graphics |
| 16:37:42 | Llorean | Zagor: I agree. |
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| 16:37:51 | Llorean | I'm not arguing for something that's cluttered. |
| 16:37:52 | * | preglow doesn't really like rockboxed |
| 16:37:59 | preglow | i would like something a bit more stylish |
| 16:38:00 | Llorean | I think one more line in Rockboxed won't overfill it, for most targets. |
| 16:38:09 | Llorean | But I don't think Rockboxed "shows off" Rockbox. |
| 16:38:13 | preglow | me neither |
| 16:38:15 | preglow | not by far |
| 16:38:19 | pixelma | GodEater: Rockboxed isn't nice on Archos either - iCatcher looks better on those. Also AFAIK Rockboxed doesn't provide any rwps's yet |
| 16:38:32 | Llorean | We have some amazing WPSes out there, and people boot Rockbox and say "it's too plain" |
| 16:38:33 | AceNik | aliask: k then i need to have all the folders n files of the theme in the .rockbox folder right ? like .rockbox/icons/.bmp & same way all these files in a zip? |
| 16:38:34 | GodEater | I've never seen an archose |
| 16:38:35 | preglow | icatcher is nicer by far, but could be cleaned up a bit |
| 16:38:39 | GodEater | so I'll take your word for it |
| 16:38:41 | Zagor | it most certainly doesn't. but perhaps blinking/alternating lines is not the #1 reason people would want rockbox? |
| 16:38:42 | Llorean | If they boot Rockboxed they'll say "It's too plain. And it's an ugly orange." |
| 16:38:47 | leftright | I prefer simple themes. my.0002c worth |
| 16:38:56 | aliask | AceNik: Yes, generally people like to release WPS' in that form. |
| 16:39:00 | GodEater | as opposed to, "it's tiny, and I can't read it" |
| 16:39:03 | preglow | wpses should stay the hell away from the "rockbox colur scheme" |
| 16:39:13 | Llorean | preglow: Light blue and black isn't bad. |
| 16:39:22 | Zagor | I have no opinion about the colour of Rockboxed. I've only seen it in b/W |
| 16:39:27 | Llorean | preglow: And look at Cabbie in the Gigabeat gallery for a great use of the Rockbox Colour Scheme |
| 16:39:27 | preglow | i'm talking orange and blue, has it changed lately? |
| 16:39:32 | AceNik | would anyone be helpful to help me completing my wps based on vista , it requires tweaks on photoshop with buttons |
| 16:39:44 | Llorean | preglow: I consider Rockbox colors Black, Light Blue, and Orange. |
| 16:39:46 | aliask | What are people's thoughts on "Rocker" (not in SVN, but imo a really nice, clean wps) |
| 16:39:57 | AceNik | aliask:can i release it in some other form or this ones fine |
| 16:39:57 | preglow | Llorean: yeah, that's better |
| 16:40:26 | preglow | Llorean: you can thank the colour "black" for that ;) |
| 16:40:27 | Llorean | Zagor: I don't think a single alternating line for next track info is much, and it's something you don't see on a lot of players, which to me is good for showing off the features. |
| 16:40:35 | Llorean | preglow: Black with high contrast text, works for me. |
| 16:40:39 | preglow | me too |
| 16:40:56 | GodEater | Llorean: shame about the new icons though ;) |
| 16:40:57 | Llorean | preglow: It's the theme I used, with a few modifications to my personal tastes (and a fix to the menu backdrop since the text gets in the way of long lists) |
| 16:41:04 | Llorean | GodEater: New icons? |
| 16:41:07 | Llorean | Oh, right |
| 16:41:10 | Zagor | oh my god! I just looked at Rockboxed for ipod, and I surely see why you don't like it! |
| 16:41:12 | Llorean | I have my own icon set. |
| 16:41:17 | Llorean | Zagor: It makes my eyes water |
| 16:41:30 | Zagor | indeed |
| 16:41:31 | Llorean | Zagor: I'm quite happy with it on H100, but colour versions... no. |
| 16:41:37 | preglow | i think icatcher is a long way closer to being usable than rockboxed, thoigh |
| 16:41:40 | preglow | but icatcher is a bit too busy |
| 16:41:41 | GodEater | has anyone asked him to make a negative version of it ? |
| 16:41:52 | Llorean | preglow: Agreed, iCatcher is a bit too much, and a bit too inspired by other firmwares. |
| 16:42:08 | preglow | Llorean: it also tries to cram too much in the wps |
| 16:42:13 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 16:42:16 | * | linuxstb likes iCatcher |
| 16:42:17 | Llorean | And the volume circle hates me. |
| 16:42:29 | Llorean | linuxstb: I like it, I just don't think it's suited for a good compromise default. |
| 16:42:31 | linuxstb | But then again I like information, and I haven't seen other firmwares.... |
| 16:42:37 | leftright | volume circle has to little resolution |
| 16:42:44 | preglow | i want more versions of nudel green :// |
| 16:42:46 | Llorean | leftright: And it shows empty at about half volume |
| 16:42:57 | Llorean | leftright: Meaning you can decrease for a very long time before you reach mute, without the circle changing |
| 16:42:58 | linuxstb | We're never going to agree on a default theme... |
| 16:43:07 | pixelma | I also don't like that Rockboxed doesn't give info about playlist position/total entries, and (but that's quite personal preference) for me the genre info line ois almost always empty... |
| 16:43:13 | Llorean | linuxstb: I don't think it matters if we do |
| 16:43:26 | Llorean | linuxstb: I think the default theme should have optional album art (via a conditional, if it's present). |
| 16:43:28 | AceNik | would anyone be interested in helping me make a theme based on vista , i have done some work need help with photoshop buttons |
| 16:43:33 | leftright | Llorean, yep |
| 16:43:49 | Llorean | pixelma: That's what's missing! I knew there was something fundamental I felt was missing, but couldn't put my finger on it. |
| 16:43:59 | markun | preglow: nudel green looks quite nice to me |
| 16:44:16 | Llorean | We also need proper color icons. |
| 16:44:36 | Zagor | personally I _like_ that playlist info is not shown. I don't think I have ever cared if I'm on 54 or 72 in my 5400-song playlist... |
| 16:44:57 | Zagor | but then perhaps my "big playlist behaviour" is unusual |
| 16:45:22 | Llorean | Zagor: I use it for finding my place in an audiobook. |
| 16:45:51 | Llorean | It's a convenient feature if a WPS is to be multi-purpose |
| 16:46:01 | preglow | playlist info in wps is redundant, if you ask me |
| 16:46:04 | preglow | at most, i care what's playing now |
| 16:46:06 | preglow | that's that |
| 16:46:38 | Zagor | Llorean: yes, it's a good feature for some. the problem is we have so many features we simply can't showcase them all and not get cluttred beyond usefulness |
| 16:46:47 | pixelma | I like the playlist info too as it gives me a feel of how long I can listen |
| 16:46:53 | leftright | I have the following below the progress bar, %al%pc %ac%pp~%pe %ar%pr I really think that playlist count is important |
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| 16:47:02 | Zagor | I don't think the default wps should be a feature showcase |
| 16:47:22 | Zagor | I'd much rather have it be friendly than impressive |
| 16:47:31 | aliask | Zagor: I completely agree. |
| 16:47:37 | Llorean | Zagor: It needs to be "pretty" |
| 16:47:46 | Zagor | yes, that I agree with |
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| 16:47:52 | leftright | on a B&W screen ? |
| 16:48:11 | aliask | On a B&W screen I think a WPS should be "clean" and easy to read. |
| 16:48:11 | Zagor | leftright: sure, I think rockboxed is pretty on my b/w iriver |
| 16:48:14 | Llorean | I think it should have some "unnecessary" features, but not too many |
| 16:48:22 | leftright | heh |
| 16:48:25 | Llorean | leftright: Only the Archoses are actually black and white |
| 16:48:34 | Llorean | leftright: The others are 2bpp, allowing for some not-bad looking grayscale. |
| 16:49:07 | leftright | hmmm, to me its different shades of black |
| 16:49:27 | Llorean | How can you have different shades of black? |
| 16:49:32 | Llorean | But you should check your contrast then |
| 16:49:38 | Llorean | There's white, light gray, dark gray, and black. |
| 16:49:42 | Zagor | "it's not gray, it's a lighter shade of black" ;-) |
| 16:50:06 | leftright | heh, just being facetious Llorean :> |
| 16:50:55 | pixelma | bluebrother had begun to made a greyscale version of Rockboxed - I liked the screenshots he showed here better than the big back block at the bottom that's there now |
| 16:51:07 | pixelma | *black |
| 16:51:17 | markun | Anyone interested in looking at my little playlist patch? http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/playlist.patch |
| 16:51:18 | linuxstb | Considering there are only 3 universal WPSs in SVN - Rockboxed, iCatcher and UniCatcher - is the concensus that we make one of those three the default, or choose a new one? |
| 16:51:21 | markun | amiconn: you maybe? |
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| 16:52:02 | pixelma | linuxstb: UniCatcher isn't universal - but you forgot "boxes" in your list ;) |
| 16:52:08 | linuxstb | In fact UniCatcher doesn't appear to be available for the Archoses or remotes... |
| 16:52:11 | linuxstb | Oops.. |
| 16:52:20 | leftright | boxes is to me awfull |
| 16:52:25 | aliask | linuxstb: I'm of the opinion we choose a new one, simply because I don't think that any of those are nice enough to have as the default (but that's purely opinion) |
| 16:52:26 | Llorean | I vote "new one" |
| 16:52:33 | pixelma | just saying it's there |
| 16:52:40 | linuxstb | boxes isn't available for at least 240x320 and 176x220 |
| 16:52:46 | leftright | as for that puff thing |
| 16:52:47 | Llorean | I still rather firmly feel that at least Album Art should be an optional function of the default, since it's one of the more requested features. |
| 16:53:01 | linuxstb | ... and the colour/greyscale 160x128 |
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| 16:53:36 | linuxstb | Llorean: Why should we care about album art until it's implemented? |
| 16:53:48 | linuxstb | A default can always be changed/improved... |
| 16:54:05 | linuxstb | All I'm saying is iCatcher is there now, and a patch is on flyspray to make is the default... |
| 16:54:28 | GodEater | saying "new one" is all very well - but who's actually going to implement it? Do we have a willing volunteer ? |
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| 16:54:45 | Llorean | Can't we just say "none are suitable right now"? |
| 16:54:48 | linuxstb | Exactly... If a new one appears which is better than icatcher, then just change the default. |
| 16:54:51 | Llorean | Do we have to pick one, or agree to make one? |
| 16:54:59 | linuxstb | Why is icatcher "not suitable" ? |
| 16:55:16 | GodEater | how many other options are there which include a WPS for all our targets ? |
| 16:55:25 | linuxstb | IMO, it's better than the current default, and therefore is suitable. |
| 16:55:26 | Zagor | is there an icatcher image without album art anywhere? |
| 16:55:38 | pixelma | ok... drew a wrong conclusion wrt "boxes" |
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| 16:56:02 | pixelma | Zagor: ? - the svn version doesn't have album art... |
| 16:56:14 | Zagor | I mean screenshot |
| 16:56:19 | pixelma | ah |
| 16:56:35 | Llorean | I guess I'm just not a fan of iCatcher. |
| 16:56:55 | Llorean | But that's personal opinion, so it's not really a reason not to use it. |
| 16:57:13 | Zagor | me neither. it requires a manual, which in my opinion completely eliminates it |
| 16:57:41 | pixelma | Zagor: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=11577 |
| 16:58:09 | GodEater | it's only missing a gigabeat picture |
| 16:58:18 | pixelma | not the latest I guess but I don't think there were many changes since then |
| 16:58:30 | GodEater | nope |
| 16:58:33 | Zagor | much too cluttered. this is not what a first-time user wants to see, imho. |
| 16:58:34 | GodEater | it's pretty accurate |
| 16:58:46 | linuxstb | Zagor: ? I don't think it's cluttered at all... |
| 16:58:46 | pixelma | the Archos version changed a bit |
| 16:59:04 | linuxstb | Zagor: But you think the current default is better? |
| 16:59:23 | Zagor | no, that's now what I'm saying |
| 16:59:25 | Zagor | not |
| 16:59:34 | Llorean | Zagor: Unfortunately, I think what most new users want to see is something like this: http://solutions-i.org/julius/images/jbg5a.bmp |
| 16:59:36 | dionoea | Looks good. (Just missing some color for color targets) |
| 16:59:45 | dionoea | iCatcher |
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| 17:00:22 | GodEater | that's not nice |
| 17:00:25 | linuxstb | Zagor: But that's my point - icatcher may not be perfect for everyone, but it's better than the current default, and no-one is suggesting any other options which actually exist. |
| 17:00:48 | GodEater | other than rockboxed, which sadly is hideous on colour targets |
| 17:01:28 | markun | what about rockboxed with different colours? |
| 17:01:32 | dionoea | + iCatcher has the advantage of being pretty neutral (which is what you'd want for a default) |
| 17:01:44 | Zagor | Llorean: that one is pretty, but I think a lot of people would say that too is too cluttered. |
| 17:01:47 | dionoea | what does rockboxed look like? |
| 17:02:07 | GodEater | markun: that's what I asked earlier |
| 17:02:19 | GodEater | I think it might be acceptable if you reversed the scheme |
| 17:02:21 | markun | ah |
| 17:02:26 | GodEater | it would be closer to cabbie then |
| 17:02:33 | Llorean | Zagor: That one is probably the single most common reason people use unsupported builds. The third most popular thread on our forum is the one for the build that theme is designed around. |
| 17:02:34 | GodEater | but no-one answered me |
| 17:02:55 | pixelma | http://www.horning.us/Members/Roan/docs/rockbock/wps/ROCKboxed_screenshots/ |
| 17:03:08 | Zagor | Llorean: I have no doubt that this theme is very popular. |
| 17:03:21 | Zagor | but I don't think selecting the most popular theme is a good idea |
| 17:03:25 | Llorean | Zagor: I actually prefer Rockbox default without peakmeters as my personal theme, but we seem to have attracted a crowd whose primary interest in Rockbox is the option to theme their device, rather than the functional aspects. |
| 17:03:31 | Llorean | I don't suggest we choose that one. |
| 17:03:32 | Zagor | we need a beginners wps as default |
| 17:03:42 | Llorean | What would be a "beginners" WPS? |
| 17:03:58 | linuxstb | I also think the default theme should also be used to demonstrate Rockbox's features - which makes icatcher more appropriate than a minimal theme with very little info. |
| 17:04:13 | Llorean | linuxstb: iCatcher is more appropriate on that scale, yes. |
| 17:04:38 | Llorean | I think my distaste for iCatcher just revolves around the volume display, and the fact that it feels a lot like the iPod playing screen. |
| 17:04:39 | Llorean | To me. |
| 17:04:41 | Zagor | in my mind, the purpose of the default wps is not to stop people theming |
| 17:04:54 | Zagor | the purpose is to give a good first impression |
| 17:05:03 | Llorean | Zagor: And too much simplicity doesn't do that. |
| 17:05:05 | Zagor | a "this is not a geeks-only" impression |
| 17:05:12 | dionoea | The current default gives a horrible first impression :) |
| 17:05:18 | Zagor | dionoea: definitely |
| 17:05:20 | Llorean | It needs to be clear, and intuitive. |
| 17:05:29 | Llorean | But it also needs to show things that your device couldn't do before. |
| 17:05:49 | Llorean | I don't think any of the all-target themes currently succeed at both of those well. |
| 17:06:12 | Zagor | Llorean: it's quite clear that rockbox can do things their old firmware couldn't. I don't think it's necessary to cram things into the wps just to make that point. |
| 17:06:35 | Llorean | Zagor: If you cram too many things it loses "clear and intuitive" anyway |
| 17:06:49 | Llorean | Zagor: I don't think it should be sparse, just because you think "beginners" can't grasp next track info. |
| 17:07:08 | Llorean | On most of our screens, we have a lot of real estate. |
| 17:07:26 | Llorean | 176x132 is still a good deal of space, and it just goes up from there. |
| 17:07:26 | pondlife | Slasheri: For your info, my sim never builds the database because it's waiting forever for dircache to initialise. Well, I left it for 2 hours or so. |
| 17:07:33 | Zagor | yeah, that's probably a source of our disagreement. on the little h140 display there's not really much room for next track. |
| 17:07:43 | Llorean | Zagor: Not every theme needs to have everything, though. |
| 17:07:57 | Llorean | The overall appearance needs to be consistent, but it doesn't have to have an identical featurset for each player. |
| 17:08:04 | Zagor | exactly |
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| 17:08:54 | Zagor | what I don't like about iCatcher is that it sprinkles numbers across the screen without explanations |
| 17:09:16 | leftright | what I dislike about most wps is that I dont want to remember that the first line is the artist, second track, third album, I like the idea of having icons depicting what each line means |
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| 17:09:18 | Zagor | and I still don't understand what the broken digits in the top row means |
| 17:09:24 | Llorean | iCatcher doesn't really hit the 'intuitive' mark for me, in a lot of ways. |
| 17:09:35 | Llorean | Zagor: The 1 2 3, or 3 1 2, represents Shuffle |
| 17:09:41 | linuxstb | Zagor: Those screenshots are slightly out of date. For example, the "genre" is replaced by current track, and the battery % (top-left, under the dB) has a power symbol next to it. |
| 17:09:44 | Zagor | aha |
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| 17:10:04 | Llorean | leftright: Boxes did that, if I recall. |
| 17:10:26 | leftright | or at least seperate, artist, track, album lines with titles or suchlikes, thats what I have done with mine |
| 17:10:40 | * | Llorean hates to go back to the volume circle, but feels strongly that if the volume circle is empty, that should mean the player is muted, not 'still too loud for me to go to sleep' |
| 17:11:26 | linuxstb | Llorean: Ah, I never noticed the volume circle before... I just looked at the dB display. |
| 17:11:55 | Llorean | linuxstb: Personally I'd be happy if it just weren't there. :) |
| 17:12:05 | Llorean | A circle of dots isn't exactly clear in purpose anyway |
| 17:12:10 | leftright | I agree about that circle volume display, not informative at all |
| 17:12:22 | pixelma | Llorean: when did you last try iCatcher? I must admit that I haven't tried in a long time too- but I thought it would be better since the change that you can use as many enums as you like... |
| 17:12:43 | linuxstb | But it seems we have two options - 1) Make iCatcher the default; 2) Forget about it and hope someone comes up with a better universal WPS in the future... |
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| 17:13:02 | Llorean | pixelma: It's better now, I've just tried it. |
| 17:13:15 | Llorean | pixelma: It's still not ideal. You're 8 dB above "Mute" when it shows nothing on the circle |
| 17:13:30 | dionoea | the "Theme X" themes (for Video iPod) look really good |
| 17:13:35 | dionoea | (and they're intuitive) |
| 17:13:38 | leftright | i suppose the idea of a default wps it that it should be neutral, not scare a non geek noob away |
| 17:13:40 | pixelma | ok... thanks for trying :) |
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| 17:13:55 | Llorean | pixelma: I'm just grumpy and not a fan, I guess. :) |
| 17:14:25 | * | linuxstb suspects that the current default will scare more users than icatcher... |
| 17:14:30 | Llorean | We *could* just have a "Default WPS contest" and see if anyone submits anything interesting. |
| 17:14:34 | pixelma | well I don't use it myself... still preferring it a lot over Rockboxed |
| 17:14:41 | pondlife | OK, who's going to update all the manual screenshots once we have a new default theme? ;p |
| 17:14:45 | Llorean | linuxstb: I agree on that at least. |
| 17:14:50 | leftright | my default is way to simple for the contest |
| 17:15:02 | pixelma | pondlife: the manual doesn't show the wps IIRC |
| 17:15:04 | linuxstb | Llorean: That's all I'm saying. But it also happens that I personally like icatcher.... |
| 17:15:05 | dionoea | Llorean: that would be a good idea i think |
| 17:15:41 | Llorean | linuxstb: I just don't like the idea of changing, and then changing again, for the default. |
| 17:15:42 | leftright | the simpler it is the less chance it has of breaking due to a svn mod |
| 17:15:50 | Llorean | I'd rather stick with the current one until there's a very solid candidate. |
| 17:15:53 | dionoea | (make sure that you ask people designing themes not to copy a media player's theme ... it has to be original) |
| 17:15:55 | Llorean | I can't justify that at all though |
| 17:16:03 | GodEater | godeater.cream.org/reversed_rockboxed.jpg">http://godeater.cream.org/reversed_rockboxed.jpg |
| 17:16:10 | * | linuxstb remembers suggesting a theme competition a year ago but the consensus was to wait for viewports.... |
| 17:16:14 | GodEater | godeater.cream.org/reversed_rockboxed.jpg">http://godeater.cream.org/reversed_rockboxed.jpg (Connection just went flakey, not sure if it made it to the channel) |
| 17:16:20 | Llorean | dionoea: Yeah, it would have to be 100% original, containing no art not created by them or GPL distributable. |
| 17:16:23 | GodEater | clearly that's a REALLY rough attempt |
| 17:16:30 | GodEater | but it looks a lot better IMHO |
| 17:16:46 | markun | GodEater: to me it looks worse |
| 17:17:04 | linuxstb | Llorean: I just don't see a new candidate appearing in the near future... |
| 17:17:41 | dionoea | to me this looks good: http://rockbox-themes.org/data/320x240x16/Theme_X_Glow.png |
| 17:17:42 | GodEater | markun: even taking in to account I didn't bother doing the status bar bit properly ? |
| 17:17:46 | leftright | perhaps we need a dictator to excercise his democracy and make a decision |
| 17:18:07 | GodEater | dionoea: the problem with that is that it doesn't exist for all our targets ? |
| 17:18:15 | Llorean | linuxstb: You're probably right. I think I'm just being stubborn and should probably be ignored in this case. |
| 17:18:20 | dionoea | well it obviously wouldn't fit on small screen |
| 17:18:22 | dionoea | +s |
| 17:18:23 | markun | GodEater: I don't like the screen to be black |
| 17:18:23 | Llorean | I just really dislike all the current candidates, personally |
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| 17:18:43 | Llorean | leftright: I'd try but they won't give me the job. :-P |
| 17:18:49 | GodEater | markun: fair enough - I guess you're not a fan of cabbie then |
| 17:18:55 | markun | not really |
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| 17:19:08 | leftright | heh, I think that every user has his/her opinion on what constitutes a nice wps, ergo no concensus |
| 17:19:12 | GodEater | I'm in favour of Llorean being ignored in this case. It doesn't happen often enough ;) |
| 17:19:35 | markun | GodEater: what do you think of nudel green? |
| 17:19:38 | dionoea | You'll need to do a theme vote "a la debian". (using the condorcet voting method) |
| 17:19:56 | dionoea | chooses the choice which is less disliked |
| 17:20:03 | GodEater | markun: think I missed the link |
| 17:20:35 | markun | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g#Nudel_Green_5G |
| 17:20:40 | * | leftright googles nudel |
| 17:21:07 | GodEater | markun: that's nice - is it complete across all DAPS ? |
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| 17:22:00 | GodEater | Llorean: btw, did you look at that manual patch I submitted this morning ? |
| 17:22:12 | Llorean | GodEater: No, I haven't yet. I'll go do that right now |
| 17:22:22 | GodEater | thanks |
| 17:22:29 | GodEater | 7057 I think |
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| 17:22:41 | Llorean | Why don't we have a WPS contest anyway. We can have one again after viewports. |
| 17:22:51 | GodEater | good idea |
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| 17:23:03 | Llorean | Anyone object if I put out the call for default WPS submissions? |
| 17:23:11 | GodEater | not me |
| 17:23:13 | linuxstb | Llorean: Please do. |
| 17:23:16 | Llorean | I shall |
| 17:23:22 | leftright | this ought to be fun |
| 17:23:31 | * | Llorean makes use of gratuitous exclamation marks AND caps. |
| 17:23:37 | GodEater | oh lord |
| 17:23:44 | leftright | dont forget the smileys |
| 17:23:46 | * | amiconn doesn't like any of the shipped themes (except builtin) due to their load times |
| 17:24:00 | GodEater | that was predictable |
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| 17:25:49 | AceNik | guys i have a account on flyspray , & rockbox forums , to upload a wps it says i need a wiki account , when i click cancel in the attach link it shows this "{ScriptUrlPath}/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration" |
| 17:25:59 | GodEater | I think a competition should make it to the www.rockbox.org front page - not just to the forums. |
| 17:26:05 | * | amiconn also disagrees with Zagor that the H1x0 display hasn't enough room for next track |
| 17:26:33 | amiconn | Not that I need next track info, in fact none of my wps'es has it... |
| 17:26:41 | leftright | no need for next track info, just wait for it to play, it'll happen for sure |
| 17:26:53 | GodEater | indeed, I never use it either |
| 17:27:07 | dionoea | no need for wps either in fact :) since you listen to the music, you don't look at the screen |
| 17:27:17 | leftright | and if you dont like it right joystick, and all is well |
| 17:27:51 | GodEater | <tongue in cheek> the default wps screen should be the plasma plugin and have done with it |
| 17:28:00 | GodEater | no info at all but plenty of eye candy |
| 17:28:16 | AceNik | guys can you help me make a wiki account i need to upload a wps |
| 17:28:19 | leftright | VU meters only |
| 17:28:46 | amiconn | nah |
| 17:29:06 | leftright | they're so cool, mesmirising, |
| 17:29:23 | pixelma | GodEater: on some of the "pretty" WPSs floating around in the forums - I cannot actually find the info too... |
| 17:29:39 | Llorean | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10030.0 <−− Comments/corrections/"you're an idiot"s welcome |
| 17:30:06 | * | pixelma checks for occurance of "CVS" :P |
| 17:30:06 | linuxstb | Llorean: Shouldn't that be "theme", rather than wps? |
| 17:30:37 | Llorean | linuxstb: Should it be? |
| 17:30:45 | Llorean | Do we want to include iconsets and a menu backdrop in this? |
| 17:30:59 | GodEater | AceNik: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration |
| 17:31:13 | GodEater | Llorean: I think we should |
| 17:31:34 | dionoea | Llorean: only one creative commons license is GPL compatible (sa-25 scottland) |
| 17:31:40 | dionoea | +spellfix |
| 17:31:42 | AceNik | GodEater: ya im on that page , do i have write permissions from you guys to make changes to any page |
| 17:31:47 | lowlight | The "Dockpod Remix" wps looks nice. I like the font it uses too. |
| 17:31:52 | linuxstb | Llorean: At the very least the colour -scheme for the rest of Rockbox should match the wps... |
| 17:31:58 | Llorean | GodEater: I don't understand this line: + \playerman{} firmware on the \daps{} disk. (there's also unnecessary stuff at the beginning, that I'll have to remove) |
| 17:32:13 | Llorean | linuxstb: That's just a background color, or backdrop for the menu, right now. |
| 17:32:14 | GodEater | AceNik - tell us what your Wikiname is, and we'll give you those permissions |
| 17:32:17 | linuxstb | Llorean: And (/me shudders) customisable icons... |
| 17:32:30 | Llorean | linuxstb: Should we ask for iconsets for each? |
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| 17:32:36 | Llorean | dionoea: Share-alike? |
| 17:32:40 | GodEater | Llorean: no idea where that came from - it was what svn diff generated. |
| 17:32:47 | linuxstb | Llorean: I think just ask for themes, and see what people provide. |
| 17:32:53 | Llorean | linuxstb: Okay |
| 17:32:59 | AceNik | GodEater: so i should make an accout now that means & then tell you , will the rockbox forums account do |
| 17:33:15 | GodEater | AceNik - your wiki account has to be your real name |
| 17:33:21 | PaulJam | Llorean: you should maybe put a link to the prebuilt simulators in the text. |
| 17:33:38 | GodEater | that's a good idea PaulJam |
| 17:33:58 | Llorean | PaulJam: Done |
| 17:34:08 | dionoea | Llorean: Attribution Share-Alike (forgot the first A it seems) 2.5 UK: Scotland |
| 17:34:39 | Llorean | dionoea: Scotland? |
| 17:34:57 | idnar | attribution is "BY" |
| 17:35:04 | dionoea | yeah, the UK version is compatible |
| 17:35:08 | dionoea | idnar: right. thanks :) |
| 17:35:22 | idnar | I thought Share-Alike was GPL *in*compatible |
| 17:35:27 | * | idnar scratches his head |
| 17:35:35 | dionoea | no the Scotland version |
| 17:35:37 | Llorean | I thought there was on CC license that was compatible. |
| 17:35:40 | Llorean | One |
| 17:35:40 | dionoea | some wods are different |
| 17:35:43 | Llorean | Of the "general" ones. |
| 17:35:47 | dionoea | *words |
| 17:35:47 | Llorean | But I could be wrong. |
| 17:36:10 | linuxstb | Llorean: What do people actually do to submit a theme for the competition? :) |
| 17:36:10 | Llorean | I'm not sure how licensing has to work on this, honestly |
| 17:36:12 | dionoea | You can google it (at least that's the consensus among Debian folks and such) |
| 17:36:17 | GodEater | is there a prize for the contest above the kudos of it being selected as the default ? |
| 17:36:36 | GodEater | linuxstb: I propose a wiki page for submissions |
| 17:36:42 | dionoea | you get a free rockbox build! |
| 17:36:50 | GodEater | DefaultWPSCompetition for example |
| 17:36:55 | Llorean | linuxstb: Patch tracker? |
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| 17:37:28 | linuxstb | Yes, maybe patch tracker is best - isn't there a wiki page that describes the rules for submitting a wps for inclusion? |
| 17:37:58 | Llorean | Yeah, but I can never remember the name of it |
| 17:38:00 | linuxstb | i.e. things like falling back to filenames if there are no tags |
| 17:38:14 | linuxstb | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SubmitWPS |
| 17:39:07 | GodEater | dionoea: I must have won - I just got a free rockbox build! |
| 17:39:42 | AceNik | GodEater: i did register for a wiki account it said it sending me a code in my mail , but i dont have any yet |
| 17:39:54 | AceNik | GodEater: got it |
| 17:40:12 | GodEater | what's your wiki name? |
| 17:40:23 | Llorean | Updated the post |
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| 17:40:46 | AceNik | GodEater:NikkhilNarang |
| 17:41:50 | AceNik | GodEater:so what are the things i can do with thi account |
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| 17:42:30 | scorche | AceNik: edit pretty much all pages |
| 17:42:52 | AceNik | GodEater:can i upload a wps for now please |
| 17:43:03 | AceNik | GodEater: do i have permission for that |
| 17:43:11 | GodEater | AceNik: scorche just added you to the right groups - so yes |
| 17:43:20 | scorche | i did? |
| 17:43:56 | GodEater | oh |
| 17:43:57 | GodEater | sorry |
| 17:44:00 | AceNik | GodEater:thanks scorche, will jst give the link to the wps in 2 mins |
| 17:44:03 | GodEater | thought that's what your comment meant |
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| 17:44:24 | scorche | no, but now i did |
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| 17:45:11 | GodEater | sorry scorche I misunderstood =/ |
| 17:45:46 | scorche | no problem....i am just in a rush to pack everything up for a 10 hour drive...no worry at all ;) |
| 17:45:59 | Llorean | So, does the post look okay now? |
| 17:46:39 | AceNik | GodEater:if im attaching screenshots , there is no need to hide file , n make a link is thr? |
| 17:47:18 | scorche | AceNik: instructions and guidelines are here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery |
| 17:47:37 | linuxstb | Llorean: Maybe also say that any theme (not just the winner) entered in the competition may be committed to SVN and included in official builds (assuming that's the case - I think it should be). |
| 17:49:22 | Llorean | linuxstb: Agreed |
| 17:50:41 | dionoea | and emphasise *any* instead of *all* :) |
| 17:50:41 | pixelma | Llorean: could you also mention rwps (would be nice if the default theme would be this complete) ? |
| 17:50:47 | Llorean | linuxstb: I mentioned that there's no "prize" outside possibly being chosen as default. As well any themes submitted may be chosen to be included either with the build, or as part of an "Extras" like the fonts containing "official" themes. |
| 17:50:57 | Llorean | pixelma: I don't consider it complete without RWPS. |
| 17:51:07 | Llorean | I'll include a reminder |
| 17:51:34 | pixelma | so Rockboxed would have been out of the race anyways... yet of course ;) |
| 17:51:55 | linuxstb | Llorean: Is it worth also saying it must work with standard SVN, or is that obvious? I don't like to assume things.... |
| 17:52:04 | Llorean | linuxstb: The SubmitWPS page says that |
| 17:52:06 | aliask | What are the rules on redoing other's work? |
| 17:52:12 | Llorean | linuxstb: And I said it has to comply with the SubmitWPS page |
| 17:52:22 | Feral_Kid | I did an installed to a 4G Ipod... I did this with a simple unzipping to the root directory, and everything looks good to go... But when I do a reboot, it still comes back as the standard Ipod firmware... And yes there is a .rockbox directory and a rockbox.ipod in place on the root... |
| 17:52:25 | Llorean | aliask: "It must be original work, or composed entirely of things you have permission to redistribute" |
| 17:52:36 | Llorean | Feral_Kid: Please read the manual |
| 17:52:40 | Llorean | Feral_Kid: You did not install the bootloader |
| 17:52:43 | linuxstb | aliask: That depends on the license the original work has been released under. Problem is that no WPS authors seem to state a license... |
| 17:53:09 | Llorean | pixelma: RWPS note added |
| 17:53:13 | aliask | Well, I guess it rules out redoing one of the wps' and adapting to all resolutions/colours |
| 17:53:27 | preglow | aliask, linuxstb: which means you can't rework and release |
| 17:53:29 | Llorean | aliask: They could always contact the author and ask first. |
| 17:53:32 | scorche | aliask: well, you could always ask the author |
| 17:53:38 | linuxstb | preglow: Exactly... |
| 17:53:45 | Llorean | GodEater: Manual *should* be fixed. |
| 17:53:56 | preglow | if there is no copyright notice, the original author has full copyright and rights |
| 17:54:08 | linuxstb | It's an annoying situation - we should try and give guidance to WPS authors and suggest a license. |
| 17:54:18 | Llorean | Now that I undid my own typo (I was just copying and pasting instead of moving the .diff over to the VMWare image and then patching, so I missed a line) |
| 17:54:24 | preglow | creative commons or some such seems to do well in that segment |
| 17:54:37 | preglow | but there's not much of a reason not to use gpl, i guess |
| 17:55:00 | dionoea | the only issue with GPL is how do you define the sources of the image ? |
| 17:55:10 | Llorean | dionoea: What do you mean? |
| 17:55:18 | Llorean | Isn't there a Gnu document license of some sort? Is it any good? |
| 17:55:21 | pixelma | Llorean: why only "an rwps" - maybe this is because I'm not a native speaker but I'd understand this to be "there needs to be _one_" |
| 17:55:38 | scorche | Llorean: tis what the manual is under |
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| 17:56:21 | Llorean | pixelma: I'm not sure what question you're asking, but I wouldn't be surprised if I screwed up the grammar. |
| 17:56:23 | dionoea | Llorean: well you must distribute the sources with a GPL licensed program (GPL is for programs btw) ... which means pretty much every thing which can be used to recreate the images. (Like the photoshop files or something) |
| 17:57:28 | Llorean | dionoea: I know GPL is for programs. I suppose that's true for the photoshop files. |
| 17:57:51 | dionoea | You could argue that you made the images with paint ... but no one would beleive you :D |
| 17:57:56 | Llorean | But the GPL just states that it requires you to distribute the sources necessary to recreate it, not all sources. |
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| 17:59:08 | pixelma | Llorean: and I'm not sure if I understand correctly, but so far two different rwps's are needed - I would somehow read it as "one rwps is enough" and I doubt anyone knows that there are two different remote "resolutions" out there to be considered |
| 17:59:14 | Feral_Kid | Llorean> Sorry, I meant to add that earlier... What I meant was when I boot, I keep getting a flashing folder (with a exclamation), so thing about apple.com and then it reboots... But if I plug it into the USB port, it still mounts... |
| 17:59:17 | aliask | Does the logbot have a seen function? |
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| 17:59:33 | Llorean | dionoea: In fact it clearly means "the preferred form for making modifications", I think for an image, just the image file is enough to satisfy that, but I'm not a lawyer. |
| 17:59:34 | scorche | aliask: yes |
| 17:59:40 | Llorean | Er, clearly "says" not "means" |
| 17:59:42 | scorche | aliask: or so it is rumored |
| 17:59:54 | aliask | scorche: /msg logbot- !seen <nick> ? |
| 17:59:58 | Llorean | pixelma: The H300 and H100 only have one resolution. The X5 has another. Right? |
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| 18:00:07 | toffe82 | Llorean: perhaps ask for a new rockbox logo at the same time |
| 18:00:08 | dionoea | Llorean: that's debatable ... but it's a possible interpretation : |
| 18:00:08 | Llorean | So there's only one per target. |
| 18:00:14 | dionoea | :) |
| 18:00:25 | Llorean | dionoea: Yeah, as I said, licensing is to be determined, more or less |
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| 18:00:53 | Llorean | Feral_Kid: You said it still comes back as the standard iPod firmware. |
| 18:01:03 | Llorean | Feral_Kid: Which is contradictory to what you say now. What *exact* steps did you take? |
| 18:01:12 | Llorean | toffe82: No, not at the same time. |
| 18:01:31 | Llorean | toffe82: I've only liked one submitted idea for a new logo, and I'm not stepping forward and saying "It's time to change." I like the current one. |
| 18:01:37 | scorche | aliask: well, you have to be identified and edit your options so that you can be PMed by non-identified "people" |
| 18:01:50 | Llorean | If there's to be a logo change, it's a different contest, and not one I'm having to start. :-P |
| 18:02:10 | pixelma | Llorean: ah now I see, didn't see the connection to "targets"... though maybe reference to screen resolutions would be better anyways? |
| 18:02:45 | linuxstb | An explicit list of LCD resolutions/depths may be helpful (or may just scare people away...) |
| 18:03:03 | Llorean | pixelma: What's the RWPS on the X5? |
| 18:03:08 | Llorean | linuxstb: I was just typing that up |
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| 18:03:18 | pixelma | 128x96x2 |
| 18:03:39 | * | linuxstb counts 13 .wps files for icatcher... |
| 18:04:00 | pixelma | a list of targets would be longer |
| 18:04:27 | pixelma | there's a table of screen resolution on the CustomWPS page or so I believe |
| 18:05:54 | Llorean | The mini is 2bpp, right? |
| 18:06:12 | scorche | im out....see you in 11 or so hours...whenever i hook my computer back up |
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| 18:06:41 | aliask | scorche: Enjoy the drive |
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| 18:06:48 | scorche | i wish |
| 18:07:01 | pixelma | though the bit depth column there is confusing... |
| 18:07:01 | aliask | :P |
| 18:07:12 | aliask | I'm out too. G'night all. |
| 18:07:13 | Llorean | pixelma: And inaccurate. |
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| 18:07:27 | Llorean | I've added a second post with the list of resolutions. Anyone see any typos or missing resolutions? |
| 18:07:51 | Feral_Kid | Llorean> Not contradictory at all, just not clear on what I considered the standard ipod firmware display... 1.) used ipodpatcher to load bootloader 2.) unzipped rockbox-20070225-4g-noscaling.zip 3) followed up with rockbox-fonts.zip Rebooted |
| 18:08:22 | Llorean | Feral_Kid: If you boot with hold on, does it go into the apple firmware? |
| 18:09:04 | Feral_Kid | Llorean> No, it comes up with a flashing folder, then reboots |
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| 18:10:58 | pixelma | Llorean: I'm not sure how important that is but one thing about the Archos display is that it has rectangular pixels, that can have an influence on the appearance. Don't know if it's worth mentioning... |
| 18:11:19 | Feral_Kid | Llorean> But it does still allow me to get to the drive via USB so not that hosed... |
| 18:11:50 | Llorean | pixelma: They should be testing in the simulator anyway, does the sim simulate that? |
| 18:12:20 | Llorean | Feral_Kid: It sounds like the bootloader install did not complete successfully. Try to uninstall it, if ipodpatcher will let you. Otherwise you may need to restore the ipod somehow. |
| 18:12:21 | pixelma | no - how should that work? (Squeeze your monitor?) ;) |
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| 18:13:55 | Llorean | pixelma: Well, what's the ratio of them? |
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| 18:14:18 | Llorean | pixelma: The simulator could do a 2x zoom for the screen, and draw them 2px wide and 3 tall, for example. :-P |
| 18:14:21 | pixelma | width = 80% of height |
| 18:14:41 | Llorean | So, 5:4 |
| 18:14:49 | Llorean | Er, 4:5 |
| 18:15:26 | Llorean | Is this true of all the 112x64 screens (all bitmap Archoses)? |
| 18:15:37 | Feral_Kid | Llorean> Does this look right? |
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| 18:15:40 | Feral_Kid | Wrote 3563520 bytes to firmware partition |
| 18:15:42 | pixelma | Llorean: yes |
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| 18:16:43 | Llorean | pixelma: (Note: These screens feature rectangular pixels that are 4:5 width:height ratio) ? |
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| 18:17:42 | pixelma | sounds good - I'll be willing to follow the thread and try any contributions and give feedback |
| 18:18:07 | Llorean | Sounds good |
| 18:18:27 | Llorean | Hopefully there's interest |
| 18:18:45 | Feral_Kid | Llorean> That solved the problem... Thanks... |
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| 18:19:20 | Feral_Kid | Llorean> There was a site with the latest scaled firmware... Do you know where that might be? |
| 18:21:08 | Llorean | Feral_Kid: I don't know, it's an unofficial build and not really supported. Try the unsupported builds section of the forum |
| 18:22:05 | Feral_Kid | Llorean> Thanks again... |
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| 18:26:09 | linuxstb | Llorean: Are you planning on announcing the competition anywhere else? e.g. the mailing lists, misticriver, ... Maybe Bagder could add a news item with a link to the forum thread... |
| 18:26:33 | pixelma | Llorean: I also _believe_ that rockbox could use 24-bit.bmps everywhere which will be scaled to the targets bit depth later - but that maybe is not desired and also one has less control over it (for example like the changes to greyscale display that made some graphics of icatcher look broken for a while - those where colour bmps before because he wanted to reuse some graphics so that there are less files in SVN) |
| 18:26:33 | AceNik | hey uys i uploaded a wps , i get these [ , n ? in the preview how do i remove it |
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| 18:28:18 | Llorean | pixelma: I'd be perfectly happy with 24-bit files everywhere, so that grayscale WPSes could be used on color screens nicely (H10 and H120 and X5 and M5 all at once) but that's a future thing. :) |
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| 18:30:09 | pixelma | Llorean: I just mentioned it because of the last sentence about the colour bmps in your forum post |
| 18:30:09 | linuxstb | AceNik: It looks like you deleted most of the iaudio X5 wiki page... |
| 18:30:31 | AceNik | no i havent i have not even saved any changes yet |
| 18:30:42 | AceNik | im just previewing my own stuff |
| 18:30:55 | AceNik | are you serious |
| 18:30:58 | linuxstb | Are you NikkhilNarang? |
| 18:31:08 | AceNik | ya |
| 18:31:18 | AceNik | i havent saved changes or anything yet |
| 18:31:25 | AceNik | im just previewing |
| 18:31:37 | linuxstb | You saved some changes at 16.11.45 (GMT I think) today. |
| 18:31:48 | linuxstb | i.e. 20 minutes ago |
| 18:31:53 | AceNik | i ahev the whole pae in front of me in the dit section |
| 18:31:56 | AceNik | edit |
| 18:32:05 | AceNik | trust me its appearing fine when i preview |
| 18:32:23 | AceNik | do you want to c the preview link i use |
| 18:32:28 | AceNik | will it show |
| 18:32:45 | AceNik | its my first time |
| 18:32:53 | linuxstb | It's OK, I'll have a look when you've finished editing. We can easily restore from older versions of the page |
| 18:33:12 | AceNik | thank god i got so scared |
| 18:33:29 | linuxstb | All changes are reversible in the wiki... |
| 18:33:31 | AceNik | i wanted to know how to remove the [ , ? from being seen in the page |
| 18:33:52 | linuxstb | It's hard to say without seeing your changes. |
| 18:34:17 | AceNik | k then should i hit the button to save changes |
| 18:34:25 | linuxstb | Yes, go ahead.. |
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| 18:35:26 | amiconn | pixelma, Llorean: The rockbox bmp loader is able to load 1bit, 4bit, 8bit, 16bit, 24bit and 32bit BMPs on all bitmap targets |
| 18:36:10 | amiconn | However, I don't think it makes sense to use 24bit everywhere. As already mentioned, this would give less control over how it actually looks (and the files are larger) |
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| 18:36:51 | Llorean | amiconn: It might make sense to do 8-bit or 16-bit grayscale ones, so that there are more shades of gray for color targets of the same resolution |
| 18:37:27 | amiconn | More than 8bit grayscale doesn't make sense |
| 18:37:35 | linuxstb | AceNik: Is the problem the "Download:" link at the bottom? |
| 18:37:43 | amiconn | 16bit BMPs will give you _less_ shades of gray than 8bit ones |
| 18:38:00 | Llorean | amiconn: Well then 8-bit |
| 18:38:01 | AceNik | ya |
| 18:38:23 | linuxstb | AceNik: I think the problem is that you have "[" and "]" in the filename - [ and ] are used for markup in the twiki. |
| 18:38:28 | AceNik | i fixed that |
| 18:38:31 | amiconn | 8bit BMPs use a pallette; for grayscale this allows to define any of the 256 possible brightness levels |
| 18:38:50 | Llorean | amiconn: I wasn't really familiar with how palletted bitmaps work. |
| 18:38:55 | amiconn | 16bit BMPs are either RGB565 or XRGB1555, so only 32 levels of (pure) gray |
| 18:39:32 | AceNik | linuxstb:its done , now tell me if there are any errors on the page n also why is there a ? mark at the end of my name i cant remove it |
| 18:40:12 | pondlife | Also maybe someone could remove the ATTENTION ADMINS part further up...? |
| 18:40:35 | pondlife | I'd do it myself but don't want to clash with your edits. |
| 18:40:39 | linuxstb | AceNik: "AceNik" is in the format for a "wiki name" - so the wiki turns it into a link to a wiki page called AceNik. That page doesn't exist, which is why there's a ?. |
| 18:41:06 | linuxstb | AceNik: I forget how, but you need to tell twiki not to treat it as a wiki name. |
| 18:41:06 | amiconn | Prepend a <nop>, and the ? will vanish |
| 18:41:17 | linuxstb | There you go... |
| 18:41:19 | AceNik | linuxstb: so do i leave a space in between instead Ace Nik |
| 18:42:03 | amiconn | AceNik: <nop>AceNik |
| 18:42:13 | AceNik | ya tryin that |
| 18:43:23 | pixelma | Llorean: would it be ok if someone publishes a WPS for his/her target and asks if someone else has interest to port it to a different resolution? (That would clutter up the thread I guess and be of worth only in rare cases). Though I could imagine that posts like this pop up... |
| 18:43:27 | AceNik | its done my changes are made , please let me know if everythin according to youis fine , it was my first time |
| 18:44:00 | Llorean | pixelma: If people start doing that, I think there will be a *lot* of incomplete WPSes. |
| 18:44:04 | linuxstb | AceNik: Looks good to me - you may want to add the <nop> to AceNik in the heading as well |
| 18:44:09 | Llorean | pixelma: People doing it *just* for their target, posting it, and leaving it. |
| 18:44:21 | AceNik | im done with the save changes button now |
| 18:45:15 | Llorean | pixelma: That being said, I won't mind one or two doing it, but I don't want to suggest it, and if it gets cluttered with that, I'll put a stop to it. |
| 18:45:39 | AceNik | how does the wps look any suggestions guys |
| 18:45:41 | linuxstb | Llorean: I agree there's a danger in that, but on the other hand it's a lot of work to produce 13 different versions of a WPS. |
| 18:45:51 | pixelma | ok... that what just was crossing my mind |
| 18:45:59 | PaulJam | AceNik: a little remark, instead of disabling the statusbar via the .cfg file you coud just use the %wd wps-tag. |
| 18:46:30 | AceNik | PaulJam: i have used it |
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| 18:47:09 | PaulJam | AceNik: but why do you disable the statusbar in the config then? |
| 18:47:09 | Llorean | linuxstb: As I said, I don't mind if people do it, but I don't want it to get out of hand. So I'm not going to suggest it, and if it becomes popular to ask for others to complete it, I'll probably split them to another thread. |
| 18:47:57 | AceNik | PaulJam:it was how it was int he original , idint bother with it , so the code was just changes to make it work well on H10 , & pictures were resized |
| 18:48:28 | AceNik | PaulJam:does it make a difference , if yes can u tell me an instance, then ill rechane it & uplaod |
| 18:48:57 | linuxstb | Llorean: Did you see my question (about 22 minutes ago) about promoting the competition? |
| 18:49:13 | Llorean | AceNik: I prefer my themes not to change my menu status bar option unless they require it *on* because they've made a backdrop for it |
| 18:49:33 | Llorean | linuxstb: Ah, no, missed that entirely |
| 18:49:40 | Llorean | linuxstb: Yes, I think it needs a news post on the front page of the site. |
| 18:49:45 | Llorean | And probably a post to the user ML |
| 18:49:48 | AceNik | Alright i shall re upload it with a new .cfg |
| 18:49:49 | * | Llorean will do that |
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| 18:52:43 | Llorean | linuxstb: Should I post at MisticRiver/iAudiophile/Anythingbutipod? |
| 18:54:37 | * | Llorean spreads the word. |
| 18:54:53 | AceNik | guys how do i delete the previous attachment |
| 18:56:05 | markun | AceNik: from the wiki? |
| 18:56:33 | AceNik | no i mean i updated my wps .zip now , so i want to delete the earlier .zip |
| 18:56:50 | PaulJam | AceNik: i'm not sure, but i think this was disabled some time ago. you have to ask an admin to delete it. |
| 18:57:08 | Llorean | AceNik: When you want to update, you're not supposed to upload a new file |
| 18:57:09 | AceNik | ya it doesnt allow me too |
| 18:57:18 | Llorean | AceNik: You're supposed to choose the old file, and "manage" it, you can replace it with a newer version |
| 18:57:35 | markun | Llorean: is that not disalowed? |
| 18:57:37 | AceNik | i did that but it still shows 2 versions |
| 18:57:38 | pixelma | you could "manage -> update" your previous upload and load the new one... |
| 18:57:58 | Llorean | markun: I can do it, and I don't have any special wiki privileges. |
| 18:58:09 | Llorean | AceNik: That's because it's too late now. |
| 18:58:16 | pixelma | markun: moving it to trash isn't allowed atm |
| 18:58:27 | AceNik | so will someone delete the 1version now |
| 18:58:38 | AceNik | im linking in the gallery the second version |
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| 19:04:16 | AceNik | guys im done |
| 19:04:36 | AceNik | please can someone delete version1 , bye thanks |
| 19:05:46 | PaulJam | AceNik: you could now remove the remark, that the theme disables the statusbar in th emenus and browser. |
| 19:06:22 | AceNik | oh yes thanks |
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| 19:15:18 | PaulJam | i just noticed that the themes that get shipped with rockbox (on h300) also change the statusbar their .cfg file (statusbar: on). isn't that redundant with the %wd/%we wps-tags? |
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| 19:18:57 | Llorean | The tags only affect it in the WPS |
| 19:19:12 | Llorean | The default themes intend for the Rockbox status bar to be present in the menus as well, I suppose |
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| 19:21:03 | PaulJam | but they don't use a backdrop. i don't really see the need for these themes to enable the statusbar. |
| 19:22:54 | spiorf | here's my copy-resize-paste work of today, a new icon theme: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IconSets#BuufNano_12x12x16 |
| 19:22:59 | Llorean | Maybe the authors liked status bars? |
| 19:23:21 | Llorean | I really, really wish people wouldn't antialiase their icons to a background. =/ |
| 19:24:28 | PaulJam | ok, if this is intended, then i'll shut up. i just thought these were leftovers from the time when there were no wd/we tags. |
| 19:24:53 | Llorean | They might be as well, I dunno |
| 19:27:43 | spiorf | Llorean, there are gimp files in the zip |
| 19:28:02 | Llorean | spiorf: Which means you could've included aliased versions suitable for any backdrop. |
| 19:28:10 | spiorf | it can't |
| 19:28:19 | spiorf | ah, aliased |
| 19:28:54 | Llorean | It's my personal opinion though |
| 19:28:57 | spiorf | they were really uglywithout antialiasing. so ugly that noone would ever want to use them |
| 19:29:41 | Llorean | I just don't like icons restricted to one backdrop color. |
| 19:29:52 | Llorean | If anything choose black, or white, so that they're a little more generic (imho) |
| 19:29:57 | Llorean | Black is probably best. |
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| 19:30:06 | spiorf | i'll do then |
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| 19:30:22 | spiorf | it's only matter of filling a level with a color |
| 19:30:45 | Llorean | I just like the idea of the posted icon-set being as independent as possible. |
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| 19:32:44 | spiorf | i'm making a white and a black one |
| 19:33:02 | Llorean | Febs: You here? |
| 19:33:34 | Febs | Yes. |
| 19:33:49 | Llorean | Febs: You're a moderator at MR, right? Can you approve posts in the "Rockbox" general forum? |
| 19:34:02 | Febs | Yes, and yes. |
| 19:34:24 | Llorean | I've posted there about the default theme design competition, and was wondering if you could check on approving it? |
| 19:34:42 | Febs | I just approved it. |
| 19:34:45 | Llorean | Thank you |
| 19:35:13 | Febs | To this day I don't understand why that forum is moderated, but it's a battle I've fought before and isn't worth fighting again. |
| 19:35:35 | Llorean | I was quite surprised when it told me it was. |
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| 19:48:48 | amiconn | linuxstb: The 144x80 version also suffers from the stuttering audio problem :( |
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| 19:50:45 | amiconn | What parameters does the audio part of your ED encodings use, btw? |
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| 20:09:42 | Redbreva | On the topic of Theme popularity, there is a chart of download numbers for Rockbox-Themes try http://www.rockbox-themes.org/Top30_Charts/2007/2007_YTD.html for figures for this year. |
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| 21:00:45 | z0de | its a bad day :( |
| 21:00:54 | z0de | has anyone had their x5 die? |
| 21:01:04 | z0de | just stoped working mid play in my pocket :( |
| 21:01:58 | z0de | wont charge/boot with comp eather |
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| 21:07:48 | linuxstb | amiconn: ED audio is lame mp3 @ about 170kbps VBR IIRC. I could try a lower quality if you have any suggestions. |
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| 21:13:31 | amiconn | linuxstb: I am wondering about vo_setup() |
| 21:13:50 | amiconn | Is it really necessary to call that for every gop? |
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| 21:14:33 | amiconn | For grayscale, it would be helpful to know the video x and y resolution at the start, and only reserve a partial grayscale overlay if it's not fullscreen |
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| 21:14:34 | linuxstb | It is? I'm pretty sure it never used to be. |
| 21:15:18 | amiconn | mpegplayer.c line1343 |
| 21:15:59 | z0de | no one knows what i can do with my x5? |
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| 21:16:49 | Febs | z0de: how long have you tried charging it? |
| 21:17:09 | z0de | yup |
| 21:17:12 | z0de | no responce |
| 21:17:19 | z0de | lights or anything |
| 21:17:25 | Febs | Read my question again. |
| 21:17:30 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, it seems it's always done that. That main decoding loop is based on the sample application that comes with libmpeg2, and afaik, it's legal for mpeg streams to change size mid-stream.... |
| 21:17:38 | z0de | oops |
| 21:17:40 | z0de | bout 5mins |
| 21:17:41 | amiconn | urgh... |
| 21:18:09 | Febs | Try charging it for half an hour or more. Sometimes if LiIon battery are completely discharged, they won't respond immediately. |
| 21:18:34 | z0de | well it was full charged a few hours ago when i checked it |
| 21:18:50 | z0de | ill try thou. |
| 21:18:52 | linuxstb | amiconn: But I wouldn't be against changing that if there's a good reason. I don't think that's a feature of mpeg2 we have to support. |
| 21:20:30 | linuxstb | Also, maybe the greyscale init should be done on the COP, and we should try to get the timer task running on the COP as well. That would solve the audio performance issues, but possibly give us video performance issues.... |
| 21:20:52 | linuxstb | (i.e. initialise from within the video thread) |
| 21:21:41 | NET||abuse | asstounding, got my ipod mini out after 3 years just sitting there... and yeh, stuck rockbox on last night, charged up for 2 hours last night and listened all day today, battery is still good... charging up propperly now, have to see how long it'll last |
| 21:22:28 | Slasheri | linuxstb: dvb streams aspect ratio at least mid-stream |
| 21:22:35 | Slasheri | +change |
| 21:22:59 | Slasheri | but never heard about changing resolution.. |
| 21:23:14 | * | amiconn is staring at the magic addresses and values in lcd-color_nano.c and lcd-gray.c and cursing portalplayer for being so opensource unfriendly :( |
| 21:24:18 | NET||abuse | is there a way to get the file browser to just play a directory and it's subdirectories? rather than having to go into a directory and play an individual file.. |
| 21:24:50 | Slasheri | NET||abuse: find the recursive option.. |
| 21:24:55 | NET||abuse | recursive :) hmmm |
| 21:25:03 | NET||abuse | manual... |
| 21:25:30 | Slasheri | and then just insert a directory to playlist |
| 21:25:40 | Slasheri | same works for db mode also |
| 21:25:43 | NET||abuse | and the one thing i got stung with today... wma support... what can be done? or is it just not a good thing :) |
| 21:25:51 | z0de | NET||abuse: hold down select key |
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| 21:26:39 | NET||abuse | holding it down, yeh that's a good plan :) |
| 21:26:56 | bluebrother | Llorean: just read about the theme contest. How about the customizeable icons? |
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| 21:32:00 | NET||abuse | so anyone know anything about wma support ? |
| 21:33:57 | Llorean | bluebrother: If they include some, fine, if they don't and the theme looks okay, fine as well |
| 21:34:54 | linuxstb | Slasheri: I've never seen it either, but I've also never read anything that says it's illegal... |
| 21:35:12 | linuxstb | NET||abuse: Someone is going to work on WMA support this summer as part of the google summer of code. |
| 21:35:42 | NET||abuse | ahhhhh, cool, google being all altruistic |
| 21:36:15 | NET||abuse | well, then for now.. i guess i should prolly just wipe or somehow convert all these darn wma's :) |
| 21:36:20 | NET||abuse | to ogg |
| 21:36:27 | NET||abuse | or should i maybe aim for flac.. |
| 21:36:34 | NET||abuse | only got a 4GB ipod though :( |
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| 21:37:39 | NET||abuse | heh, funny, google'd wma to mp3, get lots of commercial options, wma to ogg, or wma to flac lotsa free options... guess which one wins ;) |
| 21:39:56 | linuxstb | NET||abuse: If you have the original CDs, you'll be much better off re-ripping than converting... |
| 21:39:58 | PaulJam | NET||abuse: if you have access to the original CDs i would suggest you to rip them again instead of transcoding. |
| 21:40:04 | linuxstb | ;) |
| 21:40:21 | * | amiconn starts to understand how the (grayscale) lcd controller is hooked up to the pp in the ipods... |
| 21:40:40 | NET||abuse | hehe, no, don't unfortunately, they're either cd's i ripped years back and they've floated from pc to pc with me over a few years (so i've lost most of my cd collection) or they were friends files :) |
| 21:40:49 | amiconn | Strange thing is that the pp5022 does it differently from the pp5020 |
| 21:41:26 | amiconn | pp5020 seems to use 8 bit parallel, while pp5022 seems to use serial transfer with the p->s conversion built into the pp |
| 21:42:33 | Llorean | bluebrother: To me the most important thing is the WPS, the rest is optional, but would be nice. |
| 21:42:42 | amiconn | If we would find the clock register setting and the relevant bits, it should be possible to double the framerate on pp5022, and get the same (or nearly the same) framerate for all cpu clocks |
| 21:42:51 | NET||abuse | screw it i'm tired, gonna go play a game of day of defeat.. thanks for the tips guys :) |
| 21:43:00 | bluebrother | maybe it would be nice to mention it in your announcement post? |
| 21:43:03 | NET||abuse | what do you all think of this tool? http://www.litexmedia.com/audio_wizard/ |
| 21:43:17 | amiconn | I don't know how to speed things up on pp5020, but then I don't know how fast things are running on them |
| 21:43:20 | linuxstb | amiconn: Reading the product briefs, the PP502x chips have 1, 4 and 8-bit interfaces. |
| 21:43:21 | NET||abuse | hmm, no nix version and just noticed the pay options on the right.. never mnid :) |
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| 21:44:15 | * | amiconn would love to see LcdFrameRate results for Mini G1, iPod G4 grayscale and iPod G3 |
| 21:44:20 | ColdSphinX^ | bluebrother: was it too big for your eyes? :) |
| 21:44:34 | bluebrother | ColdSphinX^, yes :P |
| 21:44:44 | linuxstb | NET||abuse: If you're using unix, just can just use something like mplayer to convert to wav, and then encode with the encoder of your choice. Or maybe foobar2000 will do the conversion - it works fine with WINE. |
| 21:45:00 | bluebrother | I am usually distracted by gib letters because it's mostly advertisments or similar ;-) |
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| 21:45:39 | NET||abuse | hmm, havn't gotten round to setting up wine this time round,, havn't found anything i need it for urgently |
| 21:45:48 | amiconn | linuxstb: Btw, the conclusion that Mini G2 uses serial transfer is from lcd-gray.c lines 99 and 113 and the HD66753 datasheet page 45 |
| 21:46:20 | Llorean | bluebrother: Mentioned iconsets and fonts. |
| 21:46:29 | bluebrother | Llorean: :) |
| 21:46:30 | amiconn | Compare the (0x740000 | data) resp. (0x760000 | data) with the start byte format... |
| 21:47:15 | linuxstb | amiconn: Is that datasheet on the wiki? |
| 21:47:59 | amiconn | Hmm, it's not... |
| 21:48:09 | amiconn | There is also no column for the grayscale ipods... |
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| 21:51:49 | amiconn | linuxstb: http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net/download/ehd66753.pdf |
| 21:52:28 | amiconn | That's not the version I have (mine has proper bookmarks) but the page number matches |
| 21:53:52 | linuxstb | Thanks., |
| 21:54:10 | amiconn | Ah, here is the better one: http://www.optrex.com/SiteImages/PartList/CONTROLLER/HD66753e.pdf |
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| 21:54:35 | Domonoky | does anybody know if a h120, bricked by wrong power connection, is likely to have the Harddrive intact ? |
| 21:54:47 | Domonoky | so i could rescue the music ? |
| 21:54:54 | linuxstb | amiconn: That second one is only half the size as well... |
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| 21:57:13 | amiconn | Domonoky: Not sure. I think LinusN might know |
| 21:57:35 | Bagder | Domonoky: I believe it is likely to, yes |
| 21:57:53 | BiptoN | linuxstb i want to record mono, it defaults to the right channel is there anyway to use the left instead? |
| 21:58:14 | BiptoN | what file would i have to edit in the source? do you know off hand? |
| 21:58:29 | Domonoky | thx, so i will try to get the necessary tools to rescue the data.. :-) |
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| 22:00:01 | linuxstb | BiptoN: Sorry, no I don't know. |
| 22:00:21 | amiconn | linuxstb: Hmm, and there seems to be some accelerated output facility in the pp using a 16 bit counter (deducing from lcd-color_nano.c) |
| 22:00:41 | amiconn | Now if I knew the typical register aliasing on pp... preglow? |
| 22:00:50 | BiptoN | thank you any hoot ;) |
| 22:01:13 | * | amiconn suspects that the lcd output registers might actually be the same on color and grayscale ipods |
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| 22:15:43 | mr_pink | hi, I've just moved back into my room at uni and the firewall (i assume) here is stopping me from connecting to the svn server. I've asked the computer office and they're being useless as usual, just wondering if anyone here might have any suggestions on getting round this? |
| 22:16:07 | Bagder | mr_pink: get a recent tarball |
| 22:16:32 | Bagder | we should work on getting http:// access up one of these days |
| 22:17:00 | mr_pink | cheers, ill make do with using tarballs for now then. I didn't get on with them for some reason last time i tried |
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| 22:17:41 | Bagder | sometimes they lack a file or two |
| 22:17:46 | Bagder | due to sloppiness |
| 22:17:58 | Bagder | but if you get problems, just yell and we'll fix |
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| 22:24:09 | z0de | :( |
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| 22:24:16 | z0de | my x5 still wont boot/charge/load |
| 22:25:03 | PaulJam | does the x5 have a reset button? |
| 22:25:20 | * | z0de looks |
| 22:25:25 | pixelma | yes |
| 22:25:27 | z0de | yes |
| 22:25:57 | PaulJam | maybe rockbox just froze with the backlight off |
| 22:26:21 | z0de | but them holding off switch up would turn it off |
| 22:26:52 | z0de | reset does nothing :( |
| 22:27:19 | Bagder | so what happens when you insert the charger? |
| 22:27:22 | z0de | nothing |
| 22:27:30 | Bagder | then something is broken |
| 22:27:33 | Bagder | hw wise |
| 22:27:38 | z0de | :( |
| 22:27:50 | z0de | it just cut out in my pocket |
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| 22:28:25 | Bagder | that's out of control for Rockbox and just boots into a charger mode |
| 22:28:52 | z0de | though so, i was just hoping someone knew what i could do |
| 22:29:27 | Bagder | verify that your charger still works |
| 22:29:55 | Bagder | is it likely to still have charge in the battery? |
| 22:30:27 | z0de | yup |
| 22:30:27 | mr_pink | hmm, same thing i got last time i tried- when i run configure, i get permission denied :S im using VMware |
| 22:30:34 | z0de | fullcharge last night |
| 22:30:53 | Bagder | z0de: and when you press power-on, what happens? |
| 22:31:04 | z0de | nothing. |
| 22:31:19 | Bagder | mr_pink: does the configure script have the +x flags on it? |
| 22:31:35 | z0de | the player does nothing regardless of what i plug/press |
| 22:31:36 | Bagder | mr_pink: try running it with "sh ../tools/configure" |
| 22:32:01 | Bagder | z0de: perhaps the battery is loose or something |
| 22:32:18 | amiconn | The reset button should power off the X5 even if it's completely hung and the charger isn't connected. With the charger connected, reset should cause it to reboot into cowon charging mode |
| 22:33:11 | z0de | reset did nothing, but im not sure if im pushing it far enough |
| 22:33:18 | z0de | how would i check the battery? |
| 22:33:47 | Bagder | I don't know, probably open up the player and check |
| 22:33:54 | z0de | k, defently pressed reset now |
| 22:33:57 | z0de | it clicked |
| 22:34:02 | z0de | does nothing |
| 22:35:40 | amiconn | The reset button doesn't need to be pushed far, and not hard as well. It's similar to the normal buttons |
| 22:36:02 | amiconn | But it's possible to miss the reset button in the hole, I just tried |
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| 22:36:25 | amiconn | You should feel a slight click when you push it (like the record/play buttons) |
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| 22:37:01 | mr_pink | Badger: That did it- whats different from using svn here then? |
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| 22:38:21 | Bagder | mr_pink: for some reason you didn't get the execute flag set with the tarball, but other than that you can't update the source code with a handy svn command building and everything is identical |
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| 22:39:43 | crop | amiconn: nice correction of sim io! |
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| 22:46:49 | z0de0 | hi |
| 22:46:54 | z0de0 | my net droped out :( |
| 22:47:09 | z0de0 | lol im still here |
| 22:47:23 | z0de0 | can you kick z0de so i can get my nick back |
| 22:47:44 | Bagder | kicking doesn't help |
| 22:48:10 | z0de0 | no? |
| 22:48:14 | Bagder | no |
| 22:48:30 | z0de0 | so how do i get my name back? |
| 22:48:44 | pixelma | you are registered so you can do that yourself - "/msg nickserv ghost <ghostnick> password" |
| 22:48:49 | z0de0 | i am |
| 22:49:06 | z0de0 | so kick z0de (whos me) so i can /nick z0de and then send the pass |
| 22:49:29 | Bagder | z0de: read pixelma's message again |
| 22:49:44 | z0de0 | lol |
| 22:49:45 | Bagder | and again: kicking doesn't help |
| 22:49:59 | z0de0 | i suck at reading today, thanks for being patient |
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| 22:50:41 | z0de | \o/ |
| 22:51:19 | z0de | so any more ideas on what i can do with the x5? |
| 22:52:01 | crop | I get compile error when building debug sim for gigabeat under cygwin: |
| 22:52:03 | crop | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/cygdrive/c/work/rockbox/cvs/rockbox/firmware/target/arm/gigabeat/meg-fx/button-target.h', needed by `/cygdrive/c/work/rockbox/cvs/rockbox/build_gigabeat_debug/firmware/backlight.o'. |
| 22:52:21 | crop | What's wrong? I did svn update and ../tools/configure |
| 22:52:31 | amiconn | crop: For gigabeat you need to reconfigure due to changed folder names |
| 22:52:45 | Bagder | crop: did a make clean too? |
| 22:52:54 | crop | Bagder: no |
| 22:53:02 | Bagder | try that |
| 22:53:27 | crop | Bagder: already done and kicked make once more |
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| 22:54:30 | amiconn | Bagder: It would be really nice if the <img> tags on http://build.rockbox.org/ had proper width and height attributed |
| 22:54:34 | amiconn | *attributes |
| 22:54:40 | Bagder | true |
| 22:55:10 | amiconn | The tables are jumping all around the screen when (re)loading and gfx aren't cached |
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| 22:56:00 | Bagder | amiconn: checked the buildmaster logs tonight? they should the potential for parallell build attempts |
| 22:56:16 | Bagder | "they show" |
| 22:57:42 | Bagder | and look |
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| 22:57:47 | Bagder | the reds are gone! ;-) |
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| 22:58:02 | preglow | whats the status of rombox on iriver, btw? |
| 22:58:08 | preglow | iriver being hxx0 |
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| 22:58:37 | Bagder | on h120 it works I believe |
| 22:58:48 | preglow | as in it executes from flash too? no ram copying? |
| 22:58:54 | Bagder | ah |
| 22:59:12 | Bagder | uhm, I'm not really keeping up with the details there so I better shut up |
| 22:59:57 | amiconn | preglow: I think it does, but I didn't try it yet |
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| 23:00:35 | preglow | me neither |
| 23:00:43 | amiconn | There is no official bootloader supporting that yet, and I rather don't want to brick my H180, being my swcodec target with the largest storage capacity |
| 23:01:00 | amiconn | Maybe I'll try shortly before, or at, devcon |
| 23:01:50 | heanol | The playback is choppy on my sansa e280.. is this a known issue? |
| 23:01:58 | heanol | I haven't found a pattern for it really |
| 23:02:00 | heanol | Some songs play fine |
| 23:02:23 | amiconn | Bagder: hmmmmm :\ |
| 23:02:39 | crop | Bagder: gigabeat build succeeded! Thanks! |
| 23:02:51 | * | amiconn would prefer if the reds would be gone for real rather than hidden :/ |
| 23:03:03 | Llorean | preglow: There's a version that executes from ROM yes. |
| 23:03:14 | Llorean | At least, to my understanding there is |
| 23:03:18 | * | Llorean hasn't tried it either. |
| 23:03:28 | Bagder | amiconn: sure, but they won't for quite some time more |
| 23:03:32 | amiconn | preglow: Do you remember the typical register aliasing on pp? |
| 23:03:38 | Bagder | and they're only in the way until then |
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| 23:04:54 | * | amiconn can't see why they would be in the way... |
| 23:05:02 | pixelma | why are they in the way? Seems like only a few people cared anyway... :( |
| 23:05:13 | amiconn | The 17 yellows are more annoying... |
| 23:05:20 | Bagder | because errors that aren't taken care of makes the actual errors harder to see |
| 23:05:29 | Bagder | and clearly, nobody cares about rombox errors |
| 23:05:34 | Bagder | or at least not enough |
| 23:05:45 | Bagder | I'm annoyed by the yellows too |
| 23:06:26 | Bagder | once someone actually tries to get rombox to work we can bring them back |
| 23:06:38 | Bagder | like the gmini port ;-) |
| 23:08:17 | Bagder | I'm actually in favour of just removing that #warning |
| 23:08:21 | * | amiconn thinks a working gmini port (gmini 1xx and 2xx) is very unlikely |
| 23:08:32 | Bagder | oh yes |
| 23:08:37 | Bagder | very very unlikely |
| 23:08:39 | Llorean | Bagder: I agree, I don't think anyone's going to forget that dual core support isn't working yet. |
| 23:09:02 | amiconn | Much more unlikely than linuxstb finsihing either one of his started-but-not-really-pushing-forward ports |
| 23:10:28 | Bagder | what would you say would be a good heuristic on what build to run in parallell when a server goes idle and there are N unfinished builds? |
| 23:10:53 | Bagder | one that has spent a long time or one that was just recently started? |
| 23:11:28 | amiconn | Hmm.... |
| 23:11:44 | amiconn | Maybe one that already runs unusually long |
| 23:12:22 | amiconn | But that would require to maintain a table of build speeds for each build (or at least each build category) per build server |
| 23:12:50 | Bagder | yeah, and the first idle server may go idle before anyone has had time to go "unusually long" |
| 23:13:10 | Bagder | of course depending on what that limit would be |
| 23:13:40 | Bagder | I think I would prefer a simpler approach |
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| 23:14:42 | amiconn | First, I'd think we should start with the slow builds (swcodec sim, targets) in general, and work towards the fast ones (bootloaders) |
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| 23:15:48 | Bagder | well, I checked a few recent logs and it is quite clear that the bootloaders, sims or sh targets are never the last jobs to finish |
| 23:16:41 | amiconn | Starting with the slow ones should help that slow build servers don't extend build times that much |
| 23:17:16 | amiconn | If a slow build server gets a slow build after a fast one, chances are high that it will need longer than all other build servers |
| 23:17:29 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:17:49 | amiconn | But if it starts with the slow one, all other build servers will have finished the other builds when the slow server finishes its single build |
| 23:17:53 | Bagder | but if you check the logs, you'll see that builds times vary a lot |
| 23:18:04 | amiconn | Yes, depending how much changed |
| 23:18:13 | Bagder | not really |
| 23:18:18 | amiconn | Changing .h files increase build times |
| 23:18:20 | Bagder | I guess more on server load |
| 23:18:25 | Bagder | and possibly network situation |
| 23:18:58 | Bagder | but of course amount of changes is significant as well |
| 23:19:17 | Bagder | my point being: I want to avoid to guess which servers that are fast or slow |
| 23:19:40 | amiconn | yes |
| 23:20:19 | amiconn | If we start with the slow builds, chances are that the faster ones are built concurrently because they are started nearer to the end |
| 23:21:31 | Bagder | well, we can see that the sims are prefered |
| 23:21:35 | amiconn | The I would think starting with recently scheduled builds for concurrent builds and working towards the earlier ones might be a good idea |
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| 23:22:12 | Bagder | yes, I think so too |
| 23:23:08 | amiconn | Does the concurrent build system allow to stop all other builds when the first server is done with it? |
| 23:23:38 | Bagder | yes it will do that |
| 23:23:45 | amiconn | ok |
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| 23:25:20 | amiconn | Under normal circumstances starting most recent builds concurrently should yield slightly faster overall build time, because the fastest / least loaded servers will return them, and the other ones will do something for their ccaches |
| 23:25:51 | amiconn | And in the case of a crashed server / broken connection the concurrent builds will save us from stalling |
| 23:26:01 | Bagder | true |
| 23:26:52 | * | amiconn wonders whether it'd also be possible to protect against broken server configurations |
| 23:27:04 | Bagder | the idea is to keep all servers busy until the last build is done |
| 23:27:17 | amiconn | That has nothing to do with the concurrency system, just checking things like installed compilers |
| 23:27:39 | amiconn | Missing compilers happened more than once recently... |
| 23:27:41 | Bagder | yeah, but that wouldn't have to be done for each build |
| 23:27:58 | amiconn | No, just at the start of a round |
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| 23:29:33 | XavierGr | preglow: rombox works on H120/H140 like a charm for me |
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| 23:29:48 | XavierGr | Slasheri did a fine work on that |
| 23:30:24 | twenty6ix | hey guys, bit of a dumb question :/ but i've been looking around the Rockbox site for a recording tutorial or something of the like and can't seem to find one, can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 23:30:25 | XavierGr | though amiconn is right that there is no official bootloader that allows to flash rockbox |
| 23:30:55 | XavierGr | on the other hand the bootloader slasheri provided in the wiki page is quite valid at least for H120/H140 targets |
| 23:31:22 | XavierGr | I think that flashing for H100s isn't enabled because Slasheri didn't have a target to test |
| 23:32:32 | amiconn | hmmmmm |
| 23:33:07 | amiconn | Flashing an X5 or M5 should in fact be simple (provided we keep the cowon loader as we do now) |
| 23:33:23 | elinenbe | hmmm... the default keyboard is getting to small on the more modern targets. |
| 23:33:35 | pixelma | twenty6ix: I only know of the triggered recording manual in the wiki - the manual itself doesn't tell much about recording (but might give a start) and maybe you can find something in the forums |
| 23:33:41 | elinenbe | I am searching the database, and it is dificult to see on the gigabeat |
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| 23:34:13 | twenty6ix | i checked the forums... hmm... i do know that plugging a 1/4" cable from my sound card to my iPod yields no results |
| 23:34:14 | amiconn | elinenbe: Load a .kbd, then it uses the UI font instead of the sysfont |
| 23:35:43 | pixelma | twenty6ix: no idea about recording on ipods, sorry... |
| 23:36:25 | Llorean | twenty6ix: Which iPod? |
| 23:36:54 | twenty6ix | 5.5g |
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| 23:37:03 | Llorean | And set to "Mic" or "Line-in"? |
| 23:37:06 | twenty6ix | Line-in |
| 23:37:09 | Llorean | Do Mic |
| 23:37:10 | twenty6ix | i tried both |
| 23:37:19 | Llorean | Line-in is for the dock port |
| 23:37:22 | twenty6ix | i didn't actually try saving and listening but i say no move in the analyzer |
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| 23:37:26 | twenty6ix | *saw, sorry |
| 23:37:37 | twenty6ix | or the meter, rather |
| 23:38:19 | twenty6ix | and coming from an amp with the recording volume way up i figure i should see some move in the meter |
| 23:38:50 | preglow | amiconn: can't remember the aliasing, no |
| 23:39:02 | Llorean | I'm not even sure the 5G have an input in the mic port, maybe they don't. |
| 23:39:12 | PaulJam | i thought the g5 ipod wasn't able to record through the headphone connector |
| 23:39:15 | twenty6ix | ah |
| 23:39:19 | twenty6ix | that's possible |
| 23:39:24 | twenty6ix | thanks for the help guys :) |
| 23:39:34 | twenty6ix | i wish there was a way to customize the menu in Rockbox like there is on the Apple firmware |
| 23:39:48 | Llorean | PaulJam: I know the nano can't, I don't know for sure either way on the 5G. |
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| 23:58:14 | Bagder | starting now, the delta table should use the 'actual size' value from rockbox-info.txt |
| 23:58:31 | preglow | so no more crazy-ass padding error from the mi4 targets? |
| 23:58:38 | Bagder | right |
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