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| 00:00:36 | Bagder | the recv1 is gonna get a nice red +80000 bytes ;-) |
| 00:00:50 | Llorean | Now someone trigger a build without size change. :-P |
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| 00:11:38 | Bagder | I think I'll try to add an option to mark servers as slow-network |
| 00:11:47 | AnRkey | hi all |
| 00:11:51 | Bagder | to avoid copying the zips from them |
| 00:12:21 | AnRkey | i have installed rockbox on my h10 and it's seems to be working fine. How do i upload files to the device in windows now? |
| 00:12:32 | AnRkey | music files |
| 00:12:37 | preglow | Bagder: to avoid copying zips? don't you have to do that? |
| 00:12:55 | Bagder | well, I mean to make the one with faster nets do those builds |
| 00:13:11 | Bagder | I just saw one server take 46 seconds on getting a zip copied |
| 00:13:28 | preglow | there are builds with no zips? |
| 00:13:39 | Bagder | yeah, they're 19 zips and 59 builds or so |
| 00:13:40 | TrueJournals | AnRkey: Plug in the usb cable, and while booting up, hold "O". This will make it act like a hard drive. Then, simply drag and drop |
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| 00:13:44 | preglow | ah, of courswe |
| 00:13:46 | preglow | forget me |
| 00:13:58 | preglow | now THERE's a size delta, yes |
| 00:14:06 | AnRkey | is there a way to make it always use ums? |
| 00:14:08 | Bagder | hehe |
| 00:14:19 | preglow | Bagder: will the random varying deltas vanish too now? |
| 00:14:29 | Bagder | no |
| 00:14:34 | Bagder | they seem to be real |
| 00:14:39 | preglow | moks |
| 00:14:52 | Bagder | I mean, different servers produce them with slightly different sizes |
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| 00:19:15 | AnRkey | Thanks so much for rockbox, finally i can ditch using windows for my h10, you guys rock!!!! |
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| 00:25:25 | preglow | so i hear |
| 00:25:30 | preglow | i'm inclined to agree myself |
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| 00:26:44 | AnRkey | is rockbox 2.5 debian 4? |
| 00:26:52 | markun | what? |
| 00:27:04 | AnRkey | well what os is it? |
| 00:27:12 | AnRkey | sorry for the newb question |
| 00:27:17 | Domonoky_ | rockbox Os :-) |
| 00:27:18 | markun | rockbox is the OS |
| 00:27:32 | AnRkey | what is it based on? |
| 00:27:37 | markun | nothing |
| 00:27:38 | preglow | rockbox is rockbox |
| 00:27:40 | preglow | written from scratch |
| 00:27:41 | Domonoky_ | scratch :-) |
| 00:27:44 | preglow | it's not linux, that's for sure |
| 00:27:53 | markun | not DOS either |
| 00:27:58 | pixelma | and rockbox 2.5 doesn't exist for H10 ;) |
| 00:28:20 | preglow | which reminds me, someone should talk about releases on devcon :> |
| 00:28:30 | AnRkey | ok |
| 00:28:34 | linuxstb_ | Yes, talk of releases is always fun |
| 00:28:40 | Llorean | preglow: That's why I wish I could go. I'd bring the whips and prods. |
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| 00:28:57 | preglow | Llorean: oh, but you can, it just requires you to use tons of money and lose some sleep |
| 00:29:03 | AnRkey | from rockbox-info.txt |
| 00:29:04 | AnRkey | ld: GNU ld version 2.16.1Host gcc: gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)Host system: Linux |
| 00:29:10 | Llorean | The sleep's no big deal, the money's the problem. |
| 00:29:21 | preglow | as always |
| 00:29:23 | * | preglow curses money |
| 00:29:29 | Llorean | I'll be there next year though. |
| 00:29:30 | preglow | AnRkey: yes, it's built on debian, hooray |
| 00:29:35 | pixelma | preglow: well rockbox 2.5 was released in 2005 - does that mean 3.0 is scheduled for 3000 ? :P |
| 00:29:42 | Llorean | AnRkey: That just means it was compiled on a debian system. |
| 00:29:48 | AnRkey | sheesh why so agro |
| 00:29:51 | preglow | Llorean: i'll force them to speak with me about the date in advance next year, so i will too... |
| 00:29:55 | linuxstb_ | pixelma: Sounds optimistic... |
| 00:29:59 | Llorean | preglow: That would be good. |
| 00:30:02 | AnRkey | thanks for the help with the file transfers |
| 00:30:08 | AnRkey | ciao |
| 00:30:11 | preglow | that's two years in a row, now, they've picked lousy dates |
| 00:30:12 | markun | bye bye |
| 00:30:20 | markun | AnRkey: have fun |
| 00:30:20 | Soap | Default theme (I agree) shouldn't be a feature showcase, but it would be fun to ship one theme which packs more info onto a screen than is humanly tolerable. |
| 00:30:27 | preglow | pixelma: i think so! |
| 00:30:31 | AnRkey | thanks |
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| 00:30:37 | Llorean | As far as a release goes, I think the most important thing is setting goals for pre-freeze. Instead of what we need to be working on during the freeze, a checklist of things that we want done so that we *can* freeze. |
| 00:31:04 | Llorean | Soap: It should be shiny enough that people don't go "eww" when they compare it to their original firmware, though. |
| 00:31:07 | preglow | heh |
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| 00:31:18 | preglow | i can't think of much, really |
| 00:31:23 | preglow | wma and album art would b nice |
| 00:31:32 | webguest90 | hi |
| 00:31:33 | preglow | shinier aac support |
| 00:31:36 | Llorean | Well, the big problem last time is that we had features to add during the freeze. |
| 00:31:47 | preglow | Llorean: we did? |
| 00:31:49 | Llorean | Tagcache and the playback rewrite, notably |
| 00:31:54 | webguest90 | hey can rockbox play videos on the 5th gen ipod video |
| 00:31:59 | Llorean | Both of which were impossible to predict how long they would take. |
| 00:32:03 | preglow | ah, yeah, but the last really does count as bugfixing, afaik |
| 00:32:07 | Soap | is HC AAC a problem because it's just that processor hungry - or is it lack of work? |
| 00:32:08 | Llorean | The freeze shouldn't have happened until both of those were done. |
| 00:32:17 | preglow | Llorean: we'll have that problem now too, with the playbackj |
| 00:32:22 | Llorean | Yeah, the playback rewrite was a bugfix, but it was also too big to go in a freeze with a release date. |
| 00:32:23 | linuxstb_ | webguest90: It tries... But you're better off using the Apple firmware on the video ipod. |
| 00:32:27 | preglow | that's for sure |
| 00:32:27 | webguest90 | 'Can Rock Box play videos on the 5th gen Ipod |
| 00:32:39 | webguest90 | Ok Thank You |
| 00:32:40 | Llorean | Soap: Processor hungry |
| 00:32:49 | Soap | (and when I say "lack of work" I in no way, shape, or form, am saying "get on it you lazy bums!") |
| 00:33:09 | Llorean | Soap: https://datatype.helixcommunity.org/2005/aacfixptdec |
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| 00:34:17 | preglow | stop bringing that decoder up!! |
| 00:34:20 | preglow | i want to use it :> |
| 00:34:43 | Llorean | preglow: Basically, before a feature freeze, we need to know what's getting left out of the build (AAC?) so that time isn't spent working on it, and we need to know what needs to be fixed *before* the freeze can start (voice?) |
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| 00:35:08 | Llorean | And we need some way to keep people from going into hiding. ;) |
| 00:35:20 | Llorean | Is Helix's license the problem? |
| 00:35:33 | preglow | yes |
| 00:35:50 | preglow | the going into hiding part is why loads of feature freezes never work, heh |
| 00:36:24 | Llorean | Especially with all the unsupported builds that "publish" any patches / features anyway |
| 00:36:24 | preglow | oh, rombox will also need to work first :> |
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| 00:50:08 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: Is this bug still open? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6652 |
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| 01:12:00 | cubekid | hi |
| 01:12:22 | cubekid | hi |
| 01:13:48 | cubekid | is anyone on right now? |
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| 01:14:03 | Hammer89 | Probably :) |
| 01:14:08 | cubekid | lol |
| 01:14:09 | cubekid | well |
| 01:14:14 | cubekid | i have a question |
| 01:14:26 | cubekid | which i was hoping someone could help me answer |
| 01:14:33 | Hammer89 | I probably wont be able to help... I'm pretty new to this myself ;) |
| 01:14:49 | cubekid | lol |
| 01:14:51 | cubekid | well, anyways |
| 01:15:04 | cubekid | the problem is that i can't find this gbsystem folder |
| 01:15:07 | cubekid | and for some reason |
| 01:15:23 | linuxstb_ | You need to enable viewing of both hidden and system files/folders. |
| 01:15:32 | cubekid | windows explorer doesn't show my gigabeat as a drive (i.e. like X:\ or something) |
| 01:15:35 | cubekid | i did that |
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| 01:15:52 | linuxstb_ | Which gigabeat do you have? |
| 01:15:58 | cubekid | f40 |
| 01:16:32 | cubekid | it shows my gigabeat as My Computer\TOSHIBA gigabeat |
| 01:16:35 | cubekid | it's really weird |
| 01:17:05 | Soap | which version of windows? |
| 01:17:10 | cubekid | xp sp2 |
| 01:17:11 | linuxstb_ | That sounds like MTP mode... |
| 01:17:18 | linuxstb_ | Are you using the cradle? |
| 01:17:19 | cubekid | yea... is there a way to disable that? |
| 01:17:20 | cubekid | yea |
| 01:17:26 | cubekid | should i not? |
| 01:17:40 | linuxstb_ | The wiki says " Notice: Do not use the cradle and USB cable, just the USB Cable." |
| 01:18:10 | linuxstb_ | It doesn't say why though... |
| 01:18:22 | cubekid | damn |
| 01:18:27 | cubekid | i don |
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| 01:18:41 | cubekid | *i can't believe i didn't try that |
| 01:18:46 | Soap | manual does not mention the cradle problem. |
| 01:19:08 | linuxstb_ | I wouldn't have thought to try that - my cradle is still in the box... |
| 01:19:08 | cubekid | yea the manual didn't seem to mention anything about the cradle |
| 01:19:34 | linuxstb_ | Did that fix it? |
| 01:19:37 | Soap | the cradle is too tight a fit, can't use even the thinest of silicone cases. |
| 01:19:48 | cubekid | but its soo coooll..... |
| 01:20:02 | cubekid | maybe its just me |
| 01:20:17 | cubekid | this is the first big mp3 player ive had |
| 01:20:26 | cubekid | besides the creative nomad jukebox |
| 01:20:36 | cubekid | which is more like a brick than an mp3 player |
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| 01:27:44 | cubekid | where do you get cases for the gigabeat? |
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| 01:30:24 | Hammer89 | A google search might help you figure that out ;) http://www.google.com/search?q=gigabeat+cases&sourceid=opera&num=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 |
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| 01:34:56 | cubekid | hm, doesn't seem to be working |
| 01:35:07 | cubekid | are there supposed to be other FWIMG files? |
| 01:35:39 | linuxstb_ | Yes, leave those alone. |
| 01:37:37 | cubekid | hm |
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| 01:40:29 | cubekid | so i downloaded the build, unzipped it, copied it over, downloaded the FWIMG.DAT from the website, renamed the existing one, copied the downloaded one into the folder |
| 01:40:35 | cubekid | what am i missing? |
| 01:42:21 | linuxstb_ | Turning the battery switch off and on? |
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| 01:45:57 | cubekid | hm |
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| 01:48:21 | cubekid | im getting a rockbox error: -2 |
| 01:51:06 | cubekid | sweet! it's working |
| 01:51:40 | cubekid | though it's kinda ugly and small right now |
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| 01:52:31 | cubekid | awesome, thanks a bunch guys |
| 01:52:41 | cubekid | sorry for all my stupid quesitons |
| 01:52:41 | linuxstb_ | Just go to Settings->Browse Themes |
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| 01:57:40 | cubekid | is there a specific theme you guys like? |
| 01:59:37 | midkay | "you guys"? well, there's 133 people in here.. i don't think we've all settled on one theme we all enjoy.. :) pick one you like. |
| 01:59:58 | cubekid | lol |
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| 02:00:34 | cubekid | well does anyone have a favorite that they'd like to share? |
| 02:00:34 | linuxstb_ | try http://www.rockbox-themes.org |
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| 02:50:15 | * | BHSPitMonkey uses the zelda theme |
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| 03:36:26 | Hammer89 | are plugins supposed to work on the UIsimulator? |
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| 03:55:36 | Feral_Kid | Well, got rockbox working nicely with my 4G, and finally figured out how to get amarok transferring files... But, am I stuck with those ridiculous files names that itunes seems to create? |
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| 05:34:07 | Soap | do you also want to use the Apple Firmware, Feral_Kid ? |
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| 06:51:30 | amiconn | kkurbjun: You shouldn't need to include s3c2440.h explicitly |
| 06:51:58 | amiconn | Maybe it's missing for the gigabeat cpu, but a simple #include "cpu.h" should include the cpu specific one |
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| 06:53:13 | kkurbjun | I think it works to just inlcude cpu.h for the gigabeat as well. Which file in particular were you referring to? |
| 06:53:24 | amiconn | debug-menu.c |
| 06:53:35 | kkurbjun | oh, yep, I'll fix that |
| 06:53:44 | kkurbjun | thanks for the pointer |
| 06:54:00 | * | amiconn would think debug-menu.c would already include cpu.h |
| 06:54:07 | amiconn | Execept for the sim that is |
| 06:55:43 | amiconn | Hmm, it doesn't... |
| 06:57:37 | * | amiconn notices the gigabeat built has its logo back :) |
| 06:57:43 | amiconn | On boot that is |
| 06:58:08 | kkurbjun | yep, I prefer the builtin logo to all that bootsplash stuff |
| 06:59:09 | * | amiconn too |
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| 07:00:43 | amiconn | kkurbjun: A bit of yellow... |
| 07:01:11 | kkurbjun | yep, I saw that, forgot to pull that variable out before I committed it. |
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| 07:09:24 | neoAKiRAz | hi |
| 07:10:35 | neoAKiRAz | i've posted a screenshot of a WPS I made for Sansa... if anybody wants to check it out: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10038.0 |
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| 07:56:32 | kkurbjun | Can someone fix the Gigabeat bootloader link, I put the new on up there, but I don't know how to upload into the directory that has the "official" versions |
| 07:56:51 | kkurbjun | and when you click the links that I put in firefox treats them as text |
| 07:57:03 | kkurbjun | (or tell me how to fix it) |
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| 08:02:04 | amiconn | Only Bagder, Zagor and LinusN can put things on download.rockbox.org |
| 08:02:37 | kkurbjun | ahh, well, I guess it will have to wait then |
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| 10:17:27 | pixelma | Redbreva: around? |
| 10:20:38 | Redbreva | yes |
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| 10:27:16 | Redbreva | pixelma: you want me? |
| 10:28:45 | pixelma | Redbreva: do I remember correctly that you admin rockbox-themes.org? |
| 10:28:54 | Redbreva | yes |
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| 10:29:43 | NJoin | preglow [0] (n=thomjoha@hekta.edt.aft.hist.no) |
| 10:30:03 | pixelma | just browsing it and noticed that it has wrong info for the M5 |
| 10:30:38 | Redbreva | Ahhh... What's wrong and I'll change it ASAP |
| 10:30:47 | pixelma | the M5's sceen has the same specs as the H1x0s and Ipod4G greyscale - that's why you could link the same WPSs |
| 10:31:07 | pixelma | screen too |
| 10:31:20 | amiconn | Not exactly - M5 and iPod G4 grayscale do have an RTC, H1x0 does not |
| 10:31:35 | pixelma | ok, but as a beginning :) |
| 10:31:36 | amiconn | (in case the wps uses rtc tags) |
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| 10:35:44 | pixelma | Redbreva: thanks :) |
| 10:35:52 | Redbreva | ;-) |
| 10:39:44 | Redbreva | amiconn: I have placed a note at the top of the table to that effect now. I know no one will actualy read it, but it will at least be a reminder for me in the event of a query - Thanks ;-) |
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| 10:50:42 | amiconn | Redbreva: The same problem exists for Ondio<->Recorder, btw |
| 10:55:26 | pixelma | btw. that's an interesting question wrt included WPSs - so far whether a .wps will be built for a certain target is only decided by screen resolution (that's in the name of the wps) |
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| 11:01:10 | JdGordon | ... now just gotta get Slasheri to fix the thread locking stuff and we can have a green table again :) |
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| 11:05:00 | * | linuxstb would have preferred the red to have stayed |
| 11:06:14 | Bagder | why? |
| 11:06:29 | linuxstb | So we know it's broken... |
| 11:06:47 | Bagder | but there's no fix in sight, it could just as well never happen |
| 11:06:50 | linuxstb | But I can see the argument both ways.... |
| 11:07:15 | linuxstb | I thought [IDC]Dragon's new bootbox was one fix on the horizon? |
| 11:07:36 | Bagder | he recently said he wanted to redo it differently |
| 11:08:04 | linuxstb | Yes, I realise that may be a long wait... |
| 11:08:21 | Bagder | almost all targets have things that don't work, I don't think we need to make the table red to visualize that |
| 11:09:09 | markun | Bagder: did you see the new Gigabeat bootloader? |
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| 11:10:00 | linuxstb | markun: Have you tested it yet? |
| 11:10:23 | Bagder | markun: that is proven fine and dandy to put on the dl site now? |
| 11:10:47 | markun | uh... no, I haven't :) |
| 11:10:53 | linuxstb | I don't know if that's true, but the latest Rockbox builds won't work without it.... |
| 11:11:00 | markun | maybe I shouldn't just take kkurbjun's work for it |
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| 11:11:12 | * | linuxstb is compiling a new build to test now |
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| 11:11:42 | markun | and I guess someone with a Gigabeat X also tested it for him as it's supposed to fix some X problems |
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| 11:16:15 | linuxstb | OK, it seems to be fine here. |
| 11:17:50 | linuxstb | I expect it will get complaints from people using the bootsplash though... |
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| 11:18:05 | markun | of course :) |
| 11:18:26 | markun | why can't people just enjoy their music.. |
| 11:19:14 | markun | linuxstb: so you think that a custom bootsplash loaded from a normal bmp file at the start of rockbox will make them happy? |
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| 11:19:46 | linuxstb | That seems pointless - by the time we've loaded and displayed it, Rockbox would have finished initialising and gone to the startup screen... |
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| 11:20:00 | markun | indeed |
| 11:20:07 | linuxstb | Unless we add a sleep(5*HZ).... :) |
| 11:22:08 | linuxstb | Bagder: I would say the FWIMG01.DAT in the wiki is fine for download.rockbox.org. The md5sum is 9a3716f549702ae9f77c1b0b3d6e1922 |
| 11:23:00 | * | markun still doesn't fully understand how the various playlist insert and queue options are used is real life situations |
| 11:23:22 | Bagder | ok, uploaded |
| 11:23:31 | Bagder | the former one renamed with a date prepended |
| 11:23:37 | Bagder | just in case |
| 11:23:46 | Bagder | date appended even |
| 11:25:08 | linuxstb | Thanks. I've added an entry to MajorChanges with a note saying users must upgrade. |
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| 11:28:22 | markun | :) |
| 11:28:54 | Bagder | the games are bit weird, you never really understand the rules... |
| 11:30:40 | linuxstb | markun: Does the Gigabeat connect in MTP mode if you use the cradle? |
| 11:31:00 | linuxstb | I'm referring to the "do not use the cradle" notice in the version of the install instructions on the wiki. |
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| 11:38:42 | markun | linuxstb: you can choose for either MTP or UMS mode when connecting to the player |
| 11:38:52 | markun | it's a setting in the menu of the OF |
| 11:39:34 | linuxstb | But that's different for the cradle? |
| 11:39:43 | markun | that's just for the cradle |
| 11:39:43 | linuxstb | i.e. connecting via a cable alone is always UMS? |
| 11:39:47 | markun | yes |
| 11:39:50 | linuxstb | Odd... |
| 11:39:54 | markun | yes, very |
| 11:40:28 | markun | rockbox always uses UMS with the cradle of course |
| 11:40:32 | linuxstb | BTW, I've ordered an 80GB drive for my gigabeat, just waiting for it to be delivered now.... |
| 11:40:41 | markun | how much was it? |
| 11:41:12 | linuxstb | The only place in the world I could find it was a US ebay shop - $225 IIRC, plus $27 postage to the UK. |
| 11:41:33 | markun | quite a lot |
| 11:41:43 | markun | I don't think I will upgrade any time soon |
| 11:42:12 | linuxstb | Yes, not cheap, but I think I'll be switching to the gigabeat as my main player, so wanted the space. |
| 11:42:27 | markun | :) |
| 11:42:37 | linuxstb | Now I need to find a case... |
| 11:43:36 | * | amiconn has no fixed main player |
| 11:43:40 | MonkeyTamer | they still got those zcovers for 10 dollars in some places... but they don't fit perfect for the bigger gigabeat |
| 11:43:59 | linuxstb | There seems to be lots of F40s on ebay at the moment... |
| 11:44:04 | amiconn | But 80GB in a gigabeat would make more sense if it had s/pdif (compared to H1x0) |
| 11:44:05 | markun | :) |
| 11:44:58 | markun | amiconn: we have access to the i2s signal on the dock connector, so we could add spdif in and out |
| 11:45:01 | MonkeyTamer | gigabeats are very cheap for what you get... but still, left alone with their original firmware they aren't the greatest |
| 11:45:14 | pixelma | pff... how boring... everyone seems to be getting a gigabeat nowadays :P |
| 11:45:15 | markun | MonkeyTamer: really? :) |
| 11:45:19 | amiconn | Watching my recent usage habits, I tend to use H180, Player and Ondio most |
| 11:45:25 | MonkeyTamer | I love it with Rockbox |
| 11:45:33 | MonkeyTamer | but the original OF is horrible |
| 11:45:39 | MonkeyTamer | er... typo there |
| 11:45:40 | markun | rockbox is just a bag of shit |
| 11:45:50 | markun | or at least it sounds like one |
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| 11:46:42 | markun | amiconn: so would a spdif mod to the cradle make you happy? |
| 11:46:43 | amiconn | H300 and X5 are interesting for checking out recent developments of mpegplayer, but not really for everyday use imho |
| 11:47:12 | markun | and replacing the coulour screen with grayscale of course |
| 11:47:17 | amiconn | markun: Nah, not really. The gigabeat will still keep its drawback of having a colour lcd |
| 11:47:22 | amiconn | hehe |
| 11:47:24 | markun | haha :) |
| 11:48:36 | * | MonkeyTamer isn't really sure what markun was talking about |
| 11:48:38 | amiconn | Maybe it sounds weird, but grayscale lcds being better for mobile devices than colour lcds is my serious opinion |
| 11:49:05 | amiconn | (unless _proper_ colour lcds like the ones in many Blackberry devices become common) |
| 11:50:00 | amiconn | (and except for PMPs of course - but I'm not interested in these) |
| 11:50:06 | Llorean | Is the newest bootloader at download.rockbox.org yet, or just the wiki, for Gigabeats? |
| 11:50:27 | MonkeyTamer | its on download now |
| 11:50:27 | Llorean | amiconn: Because of being nearly unreadable without backlights? |
| 11:50:35 | MonkeyTamer | er download.rockbox |
| 11:50:44 | linuxstb | Llorean: It's at download.rockbox.org as well. I'll fix the wiki (unless you want to) ? |
| 11:51:26 | MonkeyTamer | I personally have had no problems with the new bootloader yet |
| 11:51:42 | Llorean | linuxstb: Actually, I was working my way through the forums, and saw mention of needing a new bootloader, and saw the commit message. I'm not sure where the wiki is wrong yet? |
| 11:51:43 | amiconn | Llorean: Yes. I want to be able to take a quick glance on the LCD, without first touching it in order to enable the backlight, or wasting battery by keeping the backlight on all the time |
| 11:51:53 | Llorean | amiconn: Have you seen a 1st gen nano yet then? |
| 11:52:02 | midkay | amiconn: what's "proper" about blackberry LCDs versus all the others? |
| 11:52:03 | Llorean | With a white backdrop set, they're as readable as my h100 |
| 11:52:08 | amiconn | I have, for a short time at the last devcon |
| 11:52:09 | linuxstb | Llorean: The wiki is wrong because it contains the bootloader... |
| 11:52:19 | Llorean | linuxstb: Ah, just that it's there at all? |
| 11:52:27 | amiconn | midkay: They are well readable without backlight, instead of being pitch black |
| 11:53:18 | markun | isn't that true for the ipod 4g colour as well? |
| 11:53:34 | midkay | amiconn: interesting.. i've never actually seen one. side note: my 5G's LCD is pretty readable sans backlight.. more than most color LCDs i've seen. |
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| 11:55:04 | Llorean | midkay: My Gigabeat and Sansa are about 95% unreadable without backlight. |
| 11:55:20 | amiconn | Both the H300 and X5 lcd are of the pitch black type |
| 11:55:27 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes, kkurbjan uploaded the bootloader there, and changed the link from the download server to the wiki page. I've just changed it back, hidden the attached bootloader, and also removed the references to the bootsplash. |
| 11:55:53 | midkay | Llorean: interesting. it seems like the color iPods are not that unreadable type.. |
| 11:56:17 | amiconn | Maybe the ipod colour lcds are better, but then there's still the performance drawback. And up to now nobody could tell me the real advantage of having colour on a dap (or mobile phone, whatever)... |
| 11:56:34 | linuxstb | amiconn: Album art of course :) |
| 11:56:46 | markun | and movies in colour! |
| 11:56:59 | midkay | dap? digital AUDIO player? :) |
| 11:57:11 | markun | amiconn: of course you will now say you never watch movies in colour :) |
| 11:57:14 | linuxstb | I guess the point is that modern DAPs are a lot more than just audio players. |
| 11:57:16 | pixelma | Llorean: how well readable is it on the nanos? For example my phone shows a clock while the backlight is off, you can see it but not very good (depends a lot on angle and light) |
| 11:57:17 | midkay | i'm sure we know amiconn's outlook as far as video on portable devices.. :) |
| 11:57:18 | Llorean | midkay: Yeah, my iPod Nano is the "good" sort. |
| 11:57:24 | amiconn | markun: Sure I do, but at home |
| 11:57:39 | Llorean | pixelma: I can see it fine in low light conditions. It's really almost as good as a mono LCD |
| 11:57:50 | amiconn | Video on a dap is a nice experiment, but the real thing would be a PMP, which I'm simply not interested in |
| 11:58:07 | Llorean | pixelma: For example, the iCatcher WPS is fully readable. |
| 11:58:35 | Llorean | linuxstb: I'm surprised that bootsplash didn't get removed. =/ |
| 11:58:50 | linuxstb | Llorean: It did... |
| 11:58:53 | * | amiconn hopes for as many different rockbox targets to "show up" at devcon |
| 11:59:05 | pixelma | Llorean: neat - what about the sansa's display? |
| 11:59:12 | amiconn | As many as possible I mean |
| 11:59:21 | linuxstb | Llorean: See, another good point about iCatcher :) |
| 11:59:23 | Llorean | linuxstb: Oh, bootsplash is gone? I just saw the .zip there with you mentioning you'd reuploaded it. |
| 11:59:31 | * | Llorean should not make assumptions |
| 11:59:45 | Llorean | pixelma: Unreadable |
| 11:59:58 | Llorean | pixelma: If you shine a very, very, very bright light on it... maybe. You can tell that things are changing. |
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| 12:00:48 | Llorean | linuxstb: Well, if we don't get something good from the contest, I will vote for iCatcher. |
| 12:01:10 | amiconn | Llorean: That qualifies as pitch black type then |
| 12:01:14 | markun | and I will vote for Rockboxed, just to bug Llorean |
| 12:01:34 | amiconn | Even those are readable in direct sunlight with a b&w colour scheme |
| 12:01:40 | Llorean | amiconn: Basically, yes. The Gigabeat is like this too, both are useless without backlight. |
| 12:02:26 | markun | The one which are visible are called "transflexive" right? |
| 12:02:46 | markun | .. visible without backlight |
| 12:03:01 | bluebrother | hmm. me remembers he hasn't got a reply on the greyscale Rockboxed yet :( |
| 12:03:02 | amiconn | With readable I mean under normal lighting conditions, which includes indoor situations with no sunlight |
| 12:03:50 | amiconn | ...and not only pure b&w colour schemes |
| 12:04:56 | amiconn | markun: Yes, and all b&w/grayscale lcds are transflexive (or even just reflective) |
| 12:05:33 | markun | the e-ink technologie is also interesting (at least to me) |
| 12:07:18 | amiconn | OLED... but that also needs power when active. But less than LCD+backlight afaik |
| 12:08:28 | markun | amiconn: with e-ink the display would just be as visible as any image on paper |
| 12:08:38 | amiconn | Yes I know |
| 12:08:59 | markun | but the screens are pretty slow |
| 12:09:01 | amiconn | But it's slow, so not suitable for moving content. And it also doesn't do colour afaik |
| 12:09:10 | markun | indeed |
| 12:12:08 | pixelma | Llorean: about the default wps contest - it was noticed before that there could be differences between WPS for same resolution depending on the presence of RTC (i.e H1x0s <-> M5/4th gen Ipod Ggrey or Ondio <-> recorders). Currently this is not even handled by wpsbuild.pl (but should be) - worth mentioning in the thread in case someone wants to use RTC tags? |
| 12:12:30 | Llorean | pixelma: Good idea |
| 12:15:18 | markun | linuxstb: my playlist 'fixes' introduce some weird behaviour.. |
| 12:16:25 | linuxstb | markun: Why are you touching the playlist code anyway? Is there something you want to add/change? |
| 12:16:40 | linuxstb | Or just general cleaning? |
| 12:17:27 | markun | there is a bug I want to fix |
| 12:18:14 | markun | if you create a new playlist by inserting a directory and you then "insert" another directory (not "insert last" |
| 12:18:29 | markun | ") it gets added after the currently playing song |
| 12:18:40 | amiconn | That's correct behaviour... |
| 12:19:07 | markun | according to the manual "insert" should add the songs after the last inserted songs |
| 12:19:58 | amiconn | yes |
| 12:20:04 | markun | so in this case I was expecting them to be at the end of the playlist |
| 12:20:18 | amiconn | But since you just started the playlist, the first insert position is after the current song |
| 12:20:24 | markun | not after the first song and before all the others |
| 12:20:41 | markun | why? I started the playlist with insert |
| 12:20:57 | amiconn | The first insert isn't an insert, it's a create |
| 12:21:17 | markun | I looks like insert from the context menu |
| 12:21:23 | * | amiconn never starts playlists with (plain) insert |
| 12:21:51 | amiconn | Only 'Insert shuffled' sometimes in order to save me from switching shuffle mode all the time |
| 12:23:04 | markun | even though you don't use it I still find it strange behaviour |
| 12:23:21 | Llorean | markun: I think the fix is a fix that should be in the manual then. |
| 12:23:57 | Llorean | Maybe. |
| 12:24:00 | markun | Llorean: so you agree that INSERT should not append at the end of the playlist when you create it with INSERT? |
| 12:24:02 | amiconn | It's in fact a logic question - can you insert things into something that doesn't exist yet? |
| 12:24:38 | Llorean | markun: I don't really know. |
| 12:24:49 | * | Llorean will stay out of this one entirely, actually |
| 12:25:46 | * | JdGordon agrees with markun |
| 12:26:34 | markun | instead of insert,insert first,insert I would prefer insert next,insert first,insert last |
| 12:27:06 | markun | well, actually I don't know |
| 12:27:19 | amiconn | Despite the debatable logic, fixing it should be relative simple I'd think |
| 12:28:48 | linuxstb | Would it be clearer to think of the dynamic playlist as always existing, but with the possibility to have zero entries? |
| 12:30:00 | amiconn | Hummmmmm :( |
| 12:30:25 | pixelma | how does "insert shuffled" create the list? If it inserts one by one randomly this could create a problem that you won't know where an "insert" will stuff the song somewhere (neither the end nor the next song - but after the last song it inserted, probably the last in the folder) |
| 12:30:34 | amiconn | It seems someone broke the nice playlist behaviour with non-existing entries on hwcodec as well :( |
| 12:30:48 | pixelma | (when "insert shuffled" envoked on a folder that is) |
| 12:31:31 | amiconn | "Insert shuffled" inserts randomly between current playing position and end of list |
| 12:31:55 | linuxstb | "insert shuffled" doesn't seem to be documented in the manual... |
| 12:32:12 | pixelma | that's true :/ |
| 12:32:40 | amiconn | On hwcodec the playback engine used to just skip missing songs. Now it gets confused... |
| 12:33:20 | markun | pixelma: from looking at the code it seems that insert shuffled doesn't set the last_insert_pos |
| 12:34:15 | markun | so if you "insert" after "insert shuffled" it will not append after the last song added |
| 12:34:37 | linuxstb | That makes sense. |
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| 12:36:10 | pixelma | markun: yes - but that's what I thought _could_ happen with your proposed changes? |
| 12:37:09 | markun | I'm not sure what I proposed. |
| 12:37:29 | markun | so better forget about what I said :) |
| 12:39:04 | markun | but for me the playlist system is too complicated. Too many things you have to remember before you know which insert action to use. |
| 12:40:13 | JdGordon | so get rid of insert and just have insert(/queue) first, last, next,shuffled |
| 12:40:17 | markun | I just want to listen to an album and when I think about other music I would like to listen to I add them to the end of the playlist, so just always "insert last" I guess |
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| 12:42:28 | pixelma | JdGordon: do you mean the first "insert" to start the playlist? |
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| 12:42:52 | JdGordon | yes |
| 12:43:03 | markun | when can "insert first" be useful? (just curious because I can't think of any situation myself) |
| 12:43:09 | amiconn | "Insert first" makes no sense as you would never hear that track |
| 12:43:22 | amiconn | I think the insert and queue options are fine as they are |
| 12:43:23 | markun | wow, that was fast :) |
| 12:43:42 | pixelma | JdGordon: what if you only want to play only one song of the folder then? |
| 12:43:45 | JdGordon | thats what I was thinkign before.. but some people have repeat enabled |
| 12:44:00 | amiconn | (with only the "Insert after starting a list with Insert" behaviour being debatable) |
| 12:44:08 | markun | JdGordon: what's the different in adding it to the end or to the beginning if you have repeat on? |
| 12:44:14 | JdGordon | pixelma: is that even possible atm? doesnt it wlays start a dirplay playlist? |
| 12:44:28 | JdGordon | markun: your right, scrap that option also |
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| 12:44:43 | pixelma | and I rely much on "insert shuffled" to start the playlist - very convenient especially when you don't have a quickmenu |
| 12:45:04 | markun | poor ondio.. no quickmenu.. |
| 12:45:24 | pixelma | JdGordon: yes, it's possible currently. Just "insert" on one file |
| 12:45:41 | amiconn | The quickmenu isn't much use imho |
| 12:45:46 | JdGordon | ah ok |
| 12:45:48 | pixelma | markun: actually I don't miss it since I can "insert shuffled" on a folder |
| 12:46:05 | markun | ah, quickmenu.. I though the context menu was not possible :) |
| 12:46:18 | JdGordon | speaking of the quickmenu... i want to redo it so the 3 options in it are choosable.. any objections? |
| 12:46:27 | markun | I never use the quickmenu either |
| 12:46:45 | JdGordon | scrap it completly? |
| 12:47:23 | pixelma | JdGordon: you know... customisable menus... do I have to say more? ;) |
| 12:47:27 | linuxstb | I find it useful to change the file view for the occasions I want to browse into .rockbox |
| 12:47:31 | PaulJam | maybe it would be less confusing if the insert, insert next and insert last entrys would be replaced by a "insert..." entry which takes you to the playlistviewer and there the selected line says <insert here> or something like that. |
| 12:47:57 | Llorean | PaulJam: That slows down the process considerably. |
| 12:48:01 | JdGordon | pixelma: I have no problem with a sinle customizable menu.. as long as the main menus are static |
| 12:48:03 | markun | PaulJam: I agree |
| 12:48:43 | JdGordon | PaulJam: nice idea, but that should be an extra option, not a replacment |
| 12:48:56 | pixelma | btw. what happened to the "animation" when moving a playlist entry in the playlist viewer? |
| 12:49:30 | pixelma | PaulJam: just from the sounds of it, it doesn't seem to be easier |
| 12:49:35 | pixelma | (to me) |
| 12:49:50 | Llorean | JdGordon, Markun, PaulJam: Maybe a "Move insert point" option, that lets you set the point, and then "Insert" lets you insert there (incrementing the point when you do that, so you're always inserting right after the previous insert, until you use one of the other options, like usual) |
| 12:50:07 | Llorean | Maybe "Insert At" |
| 12:50:47 | Llorean | But I like the current 'quick' insert options, they've met most of my needs fine. |
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| 12:54:36 | pixelma | same here |
| 12:54:53 | moos | that remind me that the line selector on playlist viewer is broken again ?(it was fixed and now reapeared) |
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| 12:55:17 | moos | 2 lines instead of 1 |
| 12:56:26 | pixelma | yeah - that's what I meant before |
| 12:56:48 | moos | this bug was gone and now back few days ago :( |
| 12:57:23 | * | moos is searching for the previous bug fix in the log |
| 12:57:37 | JdGordon | whats the bug? |
| 12:57:57 | pixelma | just try to move a track in the playlist viewer |
| 12:58:03 | amiconn | Looks like the playlist bug I observed is in fact not a playlist bug, but a multivolume bug... |
| 12:58:28 | JdGordon | cool :) |
| 12:58:41 | amiconn | JdGordon: It most probably has to do with the playlist viewer title |
| 12:58:52 | JdGordon | possibly |
| 12:58:58 | moos | JdGordon: line selector on the playlist viewer: wasn't you previously fixed it? |
| 12:59:25 | JdGordon | I dont think so.. its likly I broke it though :D |
| 12:59:30 | moos | : ) |
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| 13:00:11 | amiconn | I have an album stored both on my Ondio's internal flash and an MMC. I inserted it from MMC, and when pulling the MMC during playback it somehow managed to find the album on the internal flash.... (!!) |
| 13:00:30 | pixelma | JdGordon: I have a pre "title" in playlist viewer build on my Ondio, and it doesn't invert two lines but looks odd too because the whole line inverts (including scroll bar) |
| 13:01:27 | JdGordon | the scrollbar inverts here also |
| 13:02:30 | pixelma | so maybe the root of the problem is somewhere else (or there are two problems) |
| 13:02:41 | amiconn | Hmm. Starting this playlist with the MMC pulled even works after a reboot |
| 13:02:59 | JdGordon | amiconn: dircache playing up maybe? |
| 13:03:01 | amiconn | So it's not a question of dirs being open by chance... |
| 13:03:11 | amiconn | JdGordon: Dircache? On Ondio?? ;) |
| 13:03:33 | JdGordon | or maybe not then.... |
| 13:03:35 | amiconn | Almost looks like a problem with path evaluation |
| 13:04:59 | JdGordon | pixelma: only the text should invert right? not the icon and scrollbar? |
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| 13:05:34 | pixelma | like in the menu/browser I'd say |
| 13:05:37 | Llorean | amiconn: Is it maybe the skipping of drive letter part? |
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| 13:06:18 | amiconn | It's automatic backup copy mapping ;) |
| 13:06:46 | amiconn | But no, the driver letter removal should have nothing to do with it |
| 13:08:27 | pixelma | it's not a bug it's a feature ;) |
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| 13:11:58 | JdGordon | amiconn: I think your right, im pretty sure it is a title bug |
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| 13:15:01 | JdGordon | fixe |
| 13:15:02 | JdGordon | d |
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| 13:19:18 | JdGordon | Committed revision 13231. <- nice version number :D |
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| 13:22:40 | pixelma | btw. I thought one could switch off the titles somewhere but don't find an option? |
| 13:23:34 | pixelma | or is it not possible? |
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| 13:26:26 | JdGordon | only in the browsers |
| 13:27:56 | pixelma | and where is that option? |
| 13:28:03 | pixelma | ah... |
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| 13:28:47 | pixelma | ok... if you mean the directories, I know of that |
| 13:34:30 | JdGordon | yeah... you cant disable titles in the rest of the lists.. |
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| 13:34:47 | JdGordon | unless you pick a font which would make it onl 1 item under the title |
| 13:34:57 | JdGordon | do we need the option to disable it? |
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| 13:37:57 | JdGordon | is it possible to make the data abort screen a bit more helpful? |
| 13:38:10 | JdGordon | I mean... with a bit moe info than just the address |
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| 13:55:34 | pixelma | JdGordon: the playlist viewer bug isn't fixed entirely - now only one line inverts but the track part inverts and the icon/scrollbar part inverts - while one is black on white the other is white on black (on M5 as example) |
| 13:56:14 | JdGordon | yeah, I thought that was cool enough to not bother fixing :D |
| 13:56:47 | pixelma | (like with the old build on my Ondio without the title) - so I guess it's a different thing |
| 13:57:25 | pixelma | haha... looks like the "check in" on the airport or so ;) |
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| 14:00:31 | pixelma | it's like the track part inverses the inversion of the whole line if that makes sense |
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| 14:03:28 | JdGordon | yeah, I saw it on the h300 remote in the sim, but it goes away after the move, so didnt really care about fixing it (also it looks cool) |
| 14:03:38 | JdGordon | that and i shuold be working on assignemnts tonight |
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| 14:05:58 | pixelma | sure |
| 14:06:12 | pixelma | but you think it looks cool? How odd... ;) |
| 14:06:26 | * | JdGordon is an odd person... |
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| 14:25:29 | bluebrother^ | hmm. Why doesn't the playlist viewer move the hilighted track that is intended to moe? I.e. some kind of "live" updatinig the playlist |
| 14:25:45 | bluebrother^ | (but only update it for real when the user presses select on the new position) |
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| 14:38:54 | leftright | with regards to the playlist "Insert", "Isert next", Insert last, I wish that there was only "Insert next", and "Insert last", I really dont remember where "Insert" is going to place the next album/track in a large playlist |
| 14:39:43 | leftright | especially adding to a large playlist that has been shuffled |
| 14:40:22 | JdGordon | dan_a: hey, you going to be able to commit 7026 and 6908 soonish? |
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| 14:55:19 | barrywardell | JdGordon: I don't think 6908 is ready for commit, is it? |
| 14:55:46 | barrywardell | and is 7026 the right task number? that's already committed |
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| 15:00:32 | JdGordon | bah, 7036 i meant |
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| 15:00:44 | dawn | hi all |
| 15:00:59 | dawn | I just installed rockbox on a cowon iaudio x5 |
| 15:01:18 | dawn | are there any issues known with high-bitrate files? |
| 15:01:40 | dawn | ie, I have some mp3 and ogg files with bitrates from 192kbps to 320kbps and they do not play nicely |
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| 15:02:08 | dawn | with "not nicely" I mean that somehow they are played too fast |
| 15:04:30 | barrywardell | 7036 looks good to commit |
| 15:05:01 | barrywardell | only thing i'd change is maybe give (1<<26) its own #define |
| 15:05:24 | barrywardell | and (1<<14) too |
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| 15:11:34 | Lear | amiconn: charcell screens need to call update now too, right? |
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| 15:52:47 | Guy_NY | hello everyone |
| 15:54:04 | Guy_NY | i have rockbox running on a toshiba F40.. does anyone know any way to view lyrics with it? |
| 15:55:40 | iwantanimac | viewer - save them as a text file and just open them. |
| 15:56:05 | iwantanimac | but if you want synchronised lyrics, you'll need to build your own with SNCviewer. It's in the forums. |
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| 16:05:52 | Guy_NY | oh thanks man |
| 16:05:54 | Guy_NY | let me try |
| 16:05:57 | * | Nico_P sees the red columns disappearing on the build table and smiles :) |
| 16:06:05 | iwantanimac | ^^ |
| 16:06:39 | Guy_NY | with SNCviewer i can read lyrics from id3 tags, right? |
| 16:07:14 | iwantanimac | no, it's a separate file... |
| 16:07:27 | iwantanimac | unfortunately i don't know of anything that reads lyrics from ID3... |
| 16:07:37 | Guy_NY | oh ok |
| 16:07:43 | Guy_NY | thanks |
| 16:09:49 | iwantanimac | no problem. ^^ |
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| 16:41:44 | ColdSphinX^ | can someone give me acess to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIaudioX5 ? |
| 16:42:06 | bluebrother^ | ColdSphinX^: what do you mean by "access" to that page? |
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| 16:42:15 | ColdSphinX^ | yes |
| 16:42:21 | bluebrother^ | ? |
| 16:42:27 | ColdSphinX^ | i want to submit a theme |
| 16:42:39 | bluebrother^ | and what do you mean by "access" to that page? |
| 16:42:53 | bluebrother^ | it's a wiki ... |
| 16:43:02 | ColdSphinX^ | i cant edit it with my wiki account |
| 16:43:20 | bluebrother^ | do you have write privileges at all? |
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| 16:46:10 | bluebrother^ | ColdSphinX^: do you have write priviledges for the wiki at all? |
| 16:46:22 | ColdSphinX^ | see query |
| 16:46:32 | bluebrother^ | what query? |
| 16:47:02 | linuxstb | ColdSphinX^: Access isn't given to particular pages. bluebrother is asking if you've got write access to the wiki in general? |
| 16:47:38 | ColdSphinX^ | i tryed him to explain my problem in german in a /query window in irc |
| 16:47:43 | bluebrother^ | ColdSphinX^: the registration page tells you how to get write access to the wiki. Have you followed that or not? |
| 16:47:51 | bluebrother^ | ah. I haven't got any pm. |
| 16:47:55 | linuxstb | i.e. have you ever modified any page on the wiki? |
| 16:48:05 | bluebrother^ | possibly you're not registered at nickserv. |
| 16:48:17 | linuxstb | ColdSphinX^: What's your wiki name? |
| 16:48:22 | ColdSphinX^ | i created that account this noon |
| 16:48:26 | ColdSphinX^ | PascalBriehl |
| 16:48:33 | linuxstb | OK, I'll add you now. |
| 16:48:38 | ColdSphinX^ | thanks |
| 16:49:17 | linuxstb | OK, that's done. |
| 16:49:18 | bluebrother^ | ColdSphinX^: unless you are identified to nickserv you can't write pm's. |
| 16:50:50 | bluebrother^ | that's a freenode thing. |
| 16:50:57 | ColdSphinX^ | hmm on other networks and my (sometimes running) home-irc-deamon it's posible without, hmm, so i've to register myself at this network too *hmpf* |
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| 16:51:39 | bluebrother^ | per default unidentified pm's are filtered. I reenabled that since a while because I was annoyed too much by unregistered nicks. |
| 16:52:40 | bluebrother^ | it works the other way round, i.e. if I'm registered I can pm you even if you are not registered. |
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| 16:59:50 | Dwyloc | Would any dev with an ipod nano like to help me test my update of the battery meter patch to make it apply to current builds (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4998). |
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| 17:22:59 | dawn | I just came over a rather strange trouble while playing .ogg files with rockbox |
| 17:23:16 | dawn | I have a .ogg file which is quite old. according to ogginfo, it has been produced with libVorbis I 20020717 (1.0) |
| 17:23:27 | dawn | this one does not play well with rockbox |
| 17:24:05 | dawn | I decoded it with oggdec to a .wav file, recreated a .ogg with the newest oggenc and it plays fine |
| 17:24:18 | Llorean | I believe the minimum Vorbis version is 1.1, but I'm not sure. |
| 17:24:40 | Llorean | I seem to recall that number being mentioned. |
| 17:24:45 | * | Llorean could definitely be wrong on this one. |
| 17:24:53 | dawn | ok |
| 17:25:03 | Lear | Really old versions can cause problems. Not sure about version numbers though. |
| 17:25:41 | dawn | ok |
| 17:25:49 | dawn | and do high bitrates also cause problems? |
| 17:26:04 | Llorean | They shouldn't. |
| 17:26:10 | Llorean | Well, depends on your MP3 player |
| 17:26:19 | Llorean | On iPods / Sansas / H10, they may just because of limited processing power. |
| 17:26:35 | dawn | I also have some .ogg files created with current version off libvorbis ... with a average bitrate of 500kbit/s |
| 17:26:47 | dawn | these do not play fine with my iaudio x5 |
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| 17:27:02 | Llorean | What happens? |
| 17:27:20 | dawn | somehow they play "too fast" |
| 17:27:33 | dawn | ie, something is missing |
| 17:27:38 | Lear | That's like q10? I think I have a few test tracks at q9 or 10 that just barely play on an iriver (H140). |
| 17:27:52 | Lear | I'd expect gaps... |
| 17:27:55 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 17:27:59 | Llorean | Gaps would be a bitrate problem |
| 17:28:08 | Llorean | If they play "too fast", it's perhaps a sample rate issue or something |
| 17:28:17 | dawn | ok |
| 17:28:23 | Llorean | Do you know their sample rate? |
| 17:28:33 | Lear | Last I checked, different sample rates weren't a problem... |
| 17:28:41 | dawn | they either have 44.1khz or 48khz |
| 17:29:36 | Llorean | Lear: They shouldn't be, unless there's a bug. |
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| 17:29:43 | Llorean | But if files are playing back too fast, it's a bug. |
| 17:29:47 | dawn | and with some (either .ogg or .mp3) files I have strange pops while playing |
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| 17:30:18 | dawn | but this could be because a lot of my files are quite old |
| 17:30:27 | [g2] | anybody started on hacking on the Sansa Connect yet ? |
| 17:30:54 | Llorean | [g2]: New ports don't happen that often, or that quickly |
| 17:31:10 | Llorean | [g2]: The best bet is to check in the New Ports forum and see if anyone has posted anything (in this case, they haven't) |
| 17:31:39 | Llorean | dawn: I had strange pops in very old Speex files. |
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| 17:32:32 | [g2] | Llorean, thx... actually I'm may be looking to sponsor a device or two |
| 17:33:11 | [g2] | there were a couple of guys in here hacking on the E2xx series of Sansa |
| 17:33:35 | dawn | Llorean: well, I think I will quickly re-encode the files |
| 17:33:55 | dawn | Llorean: at least with the .ogg files, I get better results if they are encoded with the current libvorbis |
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| 17:34:38 | [g2] | dan_a comes to mind |
| 17:35:12 | Llorean | [g2]: Just because they're both Sansa players doesn't necessarily mean that much. |
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| 17:35:24 | Llorean | Is the Connect portalplayer based? |
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| 17:36:59 | [g2] | Llorean, I don't know yet. I haven't really looked as I've been quite busy with my AppleTV for the last month |
| 17:37:21 | [g2] | however, it is something worth looking into a little |
| 17:37:23 | Llorean | A new port is more likely to happen if the architecture is familiar, than if the manufacturer is. |
| 17:37:42 | Llorean | The people who are working on the Sansa port right now mostly came to it from either iPods or the H10 |
| 17:37:46 | [g2] | Llorean, thx I'm fully aware of all the embedded issues |
| 17:37:52 | Llorean | Neither of which is Sandisk. |
| 17:38:09 | [g2] | sure it's an arch familiarity thing |
| 17:38:51 | [g2] | there's a learning curve with all arches and even with individual processors (or processor families) |
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| 17:40:11 | [g2] | having worked on x86/386, PPC, XScale and a other I've been through my share of bootloaders/memory controllers and other device drivers |
| 17:41:21 | Llorean | Well really the most important thing is a player that offers something interesting. |
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| 17:41:35 | Llorean | A lot of people here aren't really that excited about WiFi, I think |
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| 17:51:40 | [g2] | Llorean, really, I |
| 17:51:43 | [g2] | I |
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| 17:52:14 | [g2] | damn keyboard.... I'd think wifi (except for battery life) would be perfect around the home/apt |
| 17:54:23 | [g2] | hmmm.... interesting it appears to be running mono on Linux and an ARM |
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| 18:18:29 | egotrippen | hey all |
| 18:18:45 | egotrippen | can someone point me towards the control table that used to be in gwps.h? |
| 18:18:55 | egotrippen | H300, specifically |
| 18:19:42 | egotrippen | nvm, guess i found it |
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| 18:35:56 | * | ender` yawns |
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| 18:42:51 | x1jmp | Has anyone ported the rockbox-sim to IPL yet? :-) |
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| 18:46:43 | bluebrother^ | I don't think so. Would this make sense in any way? |
| 18:48:11 | x1jmp | No, just a dumb question. |
| 18:48:22 | bluebrother^ | ah :) |
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| 19:04:39 | l2eM1x | is there a way I could choose a new song, without creating a new dynamic playlist and wasting battery? |
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| 19:09:00 | Nico_P | amiconn_: hi |
| 19:09:27 | robin0800 | Dwyloc, new comment to patch 4998 |
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| 19:13:39 | bluebrother^ | l2eM1x: why would creating a new dynamic playlist waste battery? |
| 19:14:06 | l2eM1x | I read that that is the most hard on the battery |
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| 19:14:26 | l2eM1x | creating a new playlist with 1000+ entries surely has some affect on the battery. |
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| 19:17:39 | Dwyloc | robin0800, As my patch is for the nano not the 60GB ipod video, I am not sure if increasing the maximum battery size makes sence. |
| 19:17:40 | Nico_P | I get a "bad checksum" with the new gigabeat bootloader... can anyone tell me what's wrong ? |
| 19:19:39 | Nico_P | hmm with a build from the website it works... but mine doesn't |
| 19:20:39 | ColdSphinX^ | Nico_P forgot to use scramble? |
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| 19:21:22 | Nico_P | ColdSphinX^: am I supposed to ? |
| 19:21:25 | Dwyloc | robin0800, I also don't know if the battery type used in the 5G ipod video 60GB is the same as the one used in the nano apart from having a larger capacity |
| 19:22:36 | ColdSphinX^ | Nico_P yes |
| 19:22:56 | Nico_P | ColdSphinX^: arr you toalking about normal builds ? |
| 19:23:08 | Nico_P | hmm I should learn how to type |
| 19:23:09 | ColdSphinX^ | no, the bootloader.bin |
| 19:23:20 | Nico_P | ColdSphinX^: I'm not building the bootloader myself |
| 19:23:22 | Dwyloc | robin0800, But if it is I would be quite happy to create a second patch if you would like to test it. |
| 19:23:32 | ColdSphinX^ | oh |
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| 19:24:36 | robin0800 | Dwyloc,this is where the info comes from http://ipodbatteryfaq.com/ipodbatteryandpower.html |
| 19:25:03 | Nico_P | OK I just rebuilt everything from scratch and now it works |
| 19:27:31 | robin0800 | Dwyloc,Yes Icould Bench it with and without the patch would that be enough? |
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| 19:35:05 | egotrippen | question about the new overmenu thing |
| 19:35:12 | egotrippen | i just updated after the first time in a while |
| 19:35:34 | egotrippen | is it possible to resume on startup only if there was something playing? |
| 19:35:53 | egotrippen | if i hit stop, turn off, and turn on, it resumes anyway with this system |
| 19:36:32 | Dwyloc | robin0800, your link is interesting as I now have a third battery size (300mAh) suggested as standard for the ipod nano. The original author of the patch who did the testing with a multi meter seemed to think the nano’s had 340mAh battery, most of the replacement battery’s seem to be 330mAh on ebay with the largest being 400mAh. I guess I will have to see if I can find anyone else who has taken their nano†|
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| 19:40:35 | Nico_P | amiconn: how come I can't use sscanf after including sscanf.h ? |
| 19:40:59 | Nico_P | I get a linker error |
| 19:41:31 | Nico_P | I'm probably just stupid |
| 19:41:39 | dionoea | In the core or in a plugin ? |
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| 19:42:47 | neoAKiRAz | hi! |
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| 19:43:16 | Nico_P | dionoea: in the core... turns out I was indeed stupid : forgot to add sscanf.c to SOURCES |
| 19:43:25 | dionoea | hehe |
| 19:47:28 | neoAKiRAz | i have a wps to upload, and i wanted permision for the wiki because is the first i made... you can check it out at: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10038.0 |
| 19:47:35 | neoAKiRAz | who should i talk to?? :D |
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| 19:48:34 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Your gigabeat problem was because you needed to rerun tools/configure so that your Makefile included the new "scramble" step. |
| 19:48:52 | linuxstb | neoAKiRAz: What's your wiki name? |
| 19:49:08 | neoAKiRAz | it's BrunoAzzinnari |
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| 19:49:33 | linuxstb | neoAKiRAz: OK, done. |
| 19:50:24 | Nico_P | linuxstb: it was a bit scary at first :) |
| 19:50:29 | neoAKiRAz | ok thanks! i'll try to figure out how to upload then... i've already read the guide... anyway, i imagine there's a way to edit the... |
| 19:50:43 | neoAKiRAz | entry if anything goes wrong, right?? |
| 19:51:22 | crop | linuxstb: Hi. I must tell that my intention to reorganise reading of id3 tags isn't going to be easy work. The parsing of the file is tight integrated with processing. There are many special cases (unsynch etc, I even don't know what that means) |
| 19:51:30 | crop | So I'll better stay off |
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| 19:53:54 | Nico_P | now there's something I don't understand... I have added a sscanf call in the WPS parsing code and now the sim segfaults but according to gdb's BT it's not where I added the call... I've set a breakpoint on the function where I added the call but it's never reached... WTF ? |
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| 19:55:00 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Maybe the sim is using a system sscanf |
| 19:55:39 | Nico_P | linuxstb: it must be something like that... non-rockbox code trying to use the rockbox sscanf |
| 19:56:11 | Nico_P | the BT says the segfault is in /usr/lib/libasound.so.2 |
| 19:56:46 | Nico_P | what can I do ? |
| 19:57:07 | Dwyloc | robin0800, no I think someone would have to take their ipod video apart and take some multi meter readings as well as running battery benchmark a few times. |
| 19:57:16 | Nico_P | linuxstb: also what's strange is that when I comment the sscanf call out, the segfault disappears |
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| 20:00:51 | robin0800 | Dwyloc, sorry then don't want to take mine apart yet perhaps someone who has already taken theirs apart can help |
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| 20:03:44 | Dwyloc | robin0800: I think making the ipod video's battery meter more accurate is best left to a developer with an ipod video who is happy taking their player apart. |
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| 20:04:57 | linuxstb | Nico_P: That sounds like the case - Rockbox's sscanf is probably not re-entrant (i.e. it uses some static buffers), meaning if two threads try to use it, problems happen. I'm not sure what the solution is - maybe to not use Rockbox's sscanf in the sim. But I have to leave now. |
| 20:04:58 | * | linuxstb afk |
| 20:06:33 | Dwyloc | robin0800: I could create a patch to allow you to select the correct size of battery but it would only be a cosmetic change. It would not make the battery meter any more accurate as far as I can see from the rockbox source. |
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| 20:46:11 | robin0800 | Dwyloc, do you know what figure is used at present for the ipod video? |
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| 21:06:52 | Dwyloc | robin0800: taken from config-ipodvideo.h the default is 1300, the min setting is 1300 and the max is 3200. |
| 21:07:52 | Llorean | Not valid values for the iPod Video battery, though |
| 21:07:57 | Llorean | I'm pretty sure it's 840 |
| 21:08:51 | Dwyloc | Llorean |
| 21:09:01 | Dwyloc | iit should be 600 mAh |
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| 21:10:08 | Dwyloc | Llorean: at lest if the info here http://ipodbatteryfaq.com/ipodbatteryandpower.html is correct |
| 21:11:10 | Llorean | Dwyloc: Another page suggests that a 550 will last 22% longer in a 30gb |
| 21:11:22 | Llorean | Dwyloc: But makes no claims of an 850 lasting any longer in a 60/80gb |
| 21:11:38 | Llorean | I think there's a lot of general uncertainty about |
| 21:12:41 | Dwyloc | Llorean: sorry that was the size of the 60GB battery the 30GB has a 400mAh battery if that page is correct. |
| 21:12:45 | Llorean | Either way, the "Battery Capacity" setting in Rockbox doesn't do anything useful for iPods |
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| 21:15:35 | Dwyloc | Llorean: is it worth creating a patch to at least change the options to be mode correct even if they don't currently do anything? |
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| 21:23:13 | Llorean | Dwyloc: Currently I'm campaigning to get the feature removed, or at the very least changed to not use mAh values. |
| 21:23:27 | Llorean | I think most of us agree that the mAh value part of it confuses people about what it's really used for |
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| 21:35:10 | Dwyloc | Llorean: For reference my ipod nano battery patch dose more than just add battery capacity options to the menu, it also corrects the BATTERY_SCALE_FACTOR and adds battery voltage measurements at the required batter levels. |
| 21:35:32 | Llorean | Dwyloc: I know. |
| 21:35:43 | Llorean | Otherwise it wouldn't help with the % meter. :) |
| 21:36:50 | Dwyloc | OK I was just trying to make sure our other discussion did not confuse people :) |
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| 21:45:47 | robin0800 | with all this confusion how do we know the rockbox ipod battery running time is half the apple ipod running time? |
| 21:45:59 | lex | by experience |
| 21:46:26 | Soap | I didn't realize there was any confusion |
| 21:46:45 | Soap | there have been many proper, controlled, discharge tests done. |
| 21:48:08 | robin0800 | In my experiance rockbox with replay gain no clipping fadeing album art semms to give >12hrs already |
| 21:49:53 | robin0800 | Soap,yes on the rockbox side but what about the apple figure |
| 21:50:06 | Soap | ditto |
| 21:50:13 | pearldiver | new gigabeat bootloader is weird |
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| 21:50:28 | Soap | robin0800: if you get greater than 12 hours you will be the record holder. |
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| 21:51:02 | Soap | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime |
| 21:51:19 | robin0800 | from these figures do we know a starting figure |
| 21:51:37 | Soap | ? |
| 21:51:47 | Soap | I don't grok the question. |
| 21:52:22 | Llorean | Soap: Do we have a consistent retail firmware battery life vs rockbox comparison |
| 21:52:30 | Llorean | Soap: Rather than comparing "It feels like X hours" for the retail |
| 21:52:33 | Soap | all mine, Llorean |
| 21:52:41 | Llorean | I was just translating |
| 21:53:16 | Soap | ahh - yea robin0800 all my tests (bottom) were done with (as near as possible) identical conditions in Apple firmware and Rockbox firmware. |
| 21:53:42 | Soap | and as near as perfect to optimal runtime. Real-world runtime should be less than my conditions. |
| 21:54:28 | robin0800 | no I was realy trying to find out if 600mAh is the right value? |
| 21:54:39 | kkurbjun | Nico_P: rockbox's sscanf has bugs in it. when I first started working on it it didn't work right at all. I only tested it to the point of getting doom's dehacked patches working, and even then it's still a bit flaky. |
| 21:55:21 | Soap | robin0800: the "right" value is whatever value gives you the closest aproximation to your actual runtime. |
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| 21:56:25 | robin0800 | ok then whats the value of a brand new ipod? |
| 21:56:42 | Soap | it was discussed earlier in the week (I believe) how the capacity numbers really only have significance with (one of?) the Archos players, for when you swap out the AAs inside. |
| 21:56:56 | Soap | the value of a brand new iPod's battery depends on the model. |
| 21:57:34 | robin0800 | so is the 600 figure right? |
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| 21:57:42 | Soap | for what model? |
| 21:57:54 | robin0800 | ipod video |
| 21:58:01 | Soap | 30 or 60/80 GB? |
| 21:58:12 | robin0800 | 60 gb |
| 21:58:14 | Soap | yes |
| 21:58:35 | Soap | but it doesn't matter if the number is the "correct" on or not, since Rockbox doesn't use the number well. |
| 21:58:41 | Soap | s/on/one/ |
| 21:59:06 | Juice^ | I have a small problem with my rockbox, for the sansa. When i try to open any other files than mp3s, it returns with the message "Incompatible version" is this known? Guess it has appeared after i have upgraded rockbox to a newer build |
| 21:59:09 | toffe82 | pearldiver: why weird ? |
| 21:59:33 | pearldiver | i dont know, it sort of flashes something during the gigabeat progress bar |
| 21:59:49 | robin0800 | why is this figure not in config-ipodvideo.h? |
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| 22:00:01 | Soap | Juice^: sounds like you didn't update all the files. |
| 22:00:02 | pearldiver | and it seems slower then the old one, maybe its just me |
| 22:00:05 | barrywardell | Juice^: are you using an old bootloader? |
| 22:00:30 | toffe82 | pearldiver: STRANGE i JUST UPDATE ONE GIGABEAT AND FOUND IT FASTER |
| 22:00:32 | barrywardell | try deleting the rockbox.e200 file and see what happens (leave the rockbox.mi4 there) |
| 22:00:35 | Juice^ | barrywardell: that could be yes, the bootloader is seperate from the the rockbox build? |
| 22:00:36 | toffe82 | sorry |
| 22:00:57 | barrywardell | yes. did you use sansapatcher for your install? |
| 22:00:58 | pearldiver | toffe82 i have to play around with it more |
| 22:01:08 | toffe82 | me too |
| 22:01:27 | pearldiver | pay attention at the progress bar screen |
| 22:01:28 | Juice^ | barrywardell: no, no didnt.. the sansapatcher didnt exist at the point when i installed rockbox, all manually |
| 22:01:33 | pearldiver | it flashes at one point there |
| 22:01:34 | Soap | Juice^: I suspect you updated your rockbox.mi4 or rockbox.sansa or rockbox.whatever file and not the .rockbox directory. |
| 22:01:38 | scorche | Soap: recorder v1 |
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| 22:02:06 | Soap | thank you scorche. |
| 22:02:28 | barrywardell | Juice^: in that case you're using an old bootloader, you need to upgrade it |
| 22:02:36 | Juice^ | i did Soap, i did copy over the full .rockbox dir.. as i always do when i update rockbox quite often |
| 22:02:55 | barrywardell | the problem is that the extension changed recently from rockbox.e200 to rockbox.mi4 |
| 22:03:08 | barrywardell | pre-sansapatcher bootloaders didn't look for rockbox.mi4 |
| 22:03:24 | Juice^ | oh i see, so the bootloader is incorrect then. let me update the bootloader then :) |
| 22:03:41 | Juice^ | should i use sansapatcher for that? |
| 22:03:41 | barrywardell | the best way to do that is to put the OF back in place first |
| 22:03:45 | barrywardell | then use sansapatcher |
| 22:03:52 | robin0800 | Soap,config-ipodvideo.h does not have 600mAh in it I believe? |
| 22:04:02 | barrywardell | so get a PP5022.mi4 with the Sandisk firmware in it |
| 22:04:07 | barrywardell | and do a firmware upgrade with that |
| 22:04:18 | barrywardell | then use the sansapatcher method described in the manual |
| 22:04:27 | Soap | robin0800: ok - I'm telling you - changing the capacity to 600mah will make the calculation no better. |
| 22:04:27 | kkurbjun | pearldiver, the flash you see if expected |
| 22:04:39 | pearldiver | kkurbjun really? |
| 22:05:11 | robin0800 | why what calculation is done? |
| 22:06:04 | kkurbjun | the new bootloader has code to keep that screen up for a bit longer. It has to move the old gigabeat framebuffer to the new address we set. Barrywardell wrote the code, occasionally it flashes, but it's better then seeing a shutting down screen |
| 22:06:24 | kkurbjun | while it's moving it it also has to convert the format |
| 22:07:15 | kkurbjun | you can play around with it by looking at lcd_init in the target directory and comenting out that first #ifdef in the init code |
| 22:07:30 | robin0800 | Soap,why what calculation is done? |
| 22:08:12 | Soap | let's step back a moment, robin0800. Why do you want to change the capacity number? |
| 22:08:58 | kkurbjun | (you'll have to rebuild the bootloader after doing that as well) |
| 22:10:38 | pearldiver | im not that keen on that default rockbox splash, i wish it was on black background |
| 22:10:59 | robin0800 | to try to get as accurate runtime remaining figure as possiable I would of thought that at least one way of doing this would be starting with the crrect figure |
| 22:11:30 | Llorean | pearldiver: As I've said, someone make a patch to theme that splash, and I'll do everything I can to get it in SVN. |
| 22:11:33 | kkurbjun | you can always create a patch to change it on your build to a different image |
| 22:11:47 | Soap | So when you have a fresh charge, robin0800, what does it say your remaining runtime is? |
| 22:12:15 | robin0800 | 8h 49m |
| 22:12:18 | kkurbjun | Llorean, I don't think it would make sense to have that image loaded up seperately on start |
| 22:12:20 | pearldiver | Llorean i think all the complains are coming from the background color of it |
| 22:12:23 | barrywardell | Llorean: It's very easy to change the splash - I did it on the gigabeat |
| 22:12:37 | Soap | robin0800: right |
| 22:12:37 | Juice^ | barrywardell: i didnt have the PP5022.mi4 handy, so i located it on haxx.se, but the file was named SKU_E-PP5022.mi4 - thats just a name they use on the website to identify the files easier? so i'll just rename it back to the original name right? |
| 22:12:38 | pearldiver | Llorean if it was black, noone would even care |
| 22:12:39 | barrywardell | just replace the .bmp and edit one line of code! |
| 22:12:42 | Soap | and that's at 1300 mah. |
| 22:12:51 | Soap | so if you change it to 600 mah - it will be ever futhur off. |
| 22:13:00 | kkurbjun | it works fine in the build, but having to open more files then necessary on startup will just slow it down |
| 22:13:01 | Llorean | barrywardell: Changing it is easy, but it should be able to load one from a .bmp |
| 22:13:13 | Llorean | pearldiver: If it was black, people who used white backdrops might. Or people who like the light blue. |
| 22:13:38 | Llorean | kkurbjun: Load the config.cfg before displaying the splash, if no splash is set on it, you don't attempt to load a file, simple |
| 22:13:51 | robin0800 | who says i believe I get more than this |
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| 22:14:04 | barrywardell | ah, ok. that's a bit more complicated, but not much. |
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| 22:14:16 | kkurbjun | I say if people want to change their starup screen they can patch the build, no need to add extra code to startup |
| 22:14:23 | Llorean | barrywardell: Yeah, it's not too complicated, but nobody's bothered. The "Rockbox" title screen should be themable though. |
| 22:14:25 | kkurbjun | for a screen that's shown for a split second |
| 22:14:29 | Juice^ | barrywardell: did you read my last message? |
| 22:14:33 | barrywardell | Juice^: yeah, rename it to PP5022.mi4 |
| 22:14:40 | Llorean | kkurbjun: The extra code will only get run if there's a themed screen set in the .cfg |
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| 22:14:46 | Llorean | It's not like the .cfg isn't parsed at startup anyway |
| 22:14:48 | Juice^ | barrywardell: ok thx |
| 22:14:50 | Soap | robin0800: do you believe you get less than 4h 30min? |
| 22:15:22 | Soap | for if 1300 = 8h49m then 600 will (I think it follows) equal less than 4.5 hours. |
| 22:15:27 | kkurbjun | If you notice it already tries to load the backdrop as quick as possible, and even that at times is slower then the rest of the startup |
| 22:15:28 | Dwyloc | robin0800: I have created a patch to add the correct values to the menu but I am not sure how much use it is http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7070 |
| 22:15:40 | robin0800 | no I get more than 8h 49 min the figure is too low |
| 22:15:47 | Soap | my point robin0800 |
| 22:15:58 | Soap | you want to set the value _higher_ not lower. |
| 22:16:02 | Llorean | kkurbjun: So make it so if no backdrop is set in the theme, it doesn't use any at all, making it even faster without a theme? |
| 22:16:11 | Llorean | kkurbjun: Best of both worlds: The option for extra fast start, *or* a theme |
| 22:16:57 | robin0800 | perhaps the calculation isn't quite right? |
| 22:17:06 | Soap | robin0800: it isn't. |
| 22:18:01 | robin0800 | whats needed for the correct caculation? |
| 22:18:25 | Soap | robin0800: that I don't fully understand. |
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| 22:18:46 | kkurbjun | after the main code is loaded it's not really going to add speed to not display the splash, it's the spinup, seeking, and reading off the disk that's going to take a while. I just think it's pointless to be able to theme something like that when people can easily change it in their build if they take the time |
| 22:18:50 | Soap | barrywardel understands better than I. He was kind enough to explain it to me once, but it didn't stick. |
| 22:20:48 | barrywardell | I agree with kkurbjun. I think if the splash is changed it should be done at compile time |
| 22:21:09 | dionoea | most users don't compile though |
| 22:21:32 | robin0800 | what is the calculation that is done? |
| 22:21:53 | Soap | there is a resource editor for the iaudio builds floating around the iaudiophile forums. |
| 22:22:23 | Soap | People seem to think it also works on the ipods. That would really be the best of both worlds, would it not? |
| 22:22:52 | Soap | A third-party unsupported program people who aren't willing to compile can use. |
| 22:23:02 | Juice^ | Is the sansapatcher working with sansa firmware version 1.02.15 ? |
| 22:23:23 | barrywardell | it should |
| 22:23:30 | barrywardell | i don't know if it has been tested though |
| 22:23:38 | Juice^ | ok |
| 22:23:56 | Juice^ | then i will try and report back |
| 22:24:04 | Juice^ | updating it now |
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| 22:30:40 | robin0800 | a logo swapper is available http://www.iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?t=13932 |
| 22:34:25 | amiconn | Nico_P: If you intend to use sscanf in the core it can be made smaller and faster than the standalone version |
| 22:35:28 | pearldiver | robin0800 you mean here: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=52672 |
| 22:36:06 | pearldiver | And a doubt about the Toshiba Gigabeat. |
| 22:36:08 | pearldiver | heh |
| 22:36:34 | Juice^ | barrywardell: good. the issues in rockbox on my sansa got solved by the bootloader update |
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| 22:37:07 | barrywardell | great :) |
| 22:40:36 | * | amiconn wonders about those (s)size_t commits... |
| 22:41:37 | robin0800 | pearldiver,yes and it does work on ipods i've just used it |
| 22:42:14 | markun | amiconn: ask jhMikeS |
| 22:44:38 | robin0800 | pearldiver,i;m not sure but i think an update will break this and you can only replace the exact same size so no full screen logo |
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| 22:54:07 | * | amiconn wonders why people bother with binary hack&slay if the source is available... |
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| 23:07:05 | jhMikeS | amiconn: (s)size_t/int aren't always the same size and (int *) shouldn't be cast to (size_t *) |
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| 23:25:11 | amiconn | But why use (s)size_t at all in the first place? |
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| 23:25:30 | amiconn | Imho there are too many "special" types... |
| 23:25:44 | jhMikeS | compatibility with pointer offsets and intptr_t in terms of range |
| 23:26:53 | jhMikeS | it's not like it's some nonstandard type either |
| 23:29:03 | Nico_P | amiconn: do you want to add sscanf to the core ? |
| 23:29:07 | jhMikeS | really, those all deal with addresses in some way or another so they really should be compatible |
| 23:29:45 | Nico_P | amiconn: i could probably use it but i'm not even really sure |
| 23:29:48 | amiconn | (s)size_t, off_t, intptr_t... allthose just alias basic types, but not always the same |
| 23:30:05 | amiconn | Nico_P: I woul donly add it if there's an advantage |
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| 23:33:35 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I know, but yes, they vary with enviroment so the way it was a 64-bit values would have been written to the address of a 32-bit type in sim builds so that kinda nasty just like all the stuff that brought about using intptr_t |
| 23:34:56 | jhMikeS | and removing size_t from rockbox would be a way harder way to fix things |
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| 23:37:25 | Nico_P | amiconn: I'd like to see how I could use it and what advantage it would bring but ATM it doesn't work on the sim |
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| 23:41:10 | kkurbjun | Nico_P I doubt it works on the player either except for specific text |
| 23:41:38 | kkurbjun | sscanf has alot of bugs right now. |
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| 23:49:05 | Nico_P | kkurbjun: any idea what sort of bugs and how to fix them ? |
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| 23:54:01 | kkurbjun | Nico_P I don't recall the specific nature of the problems. I just remember debugging it and it was a mess |
| 23:54:27 | kkurbjun | my recommendation would be to break out gdb and take a look at where it's breaking on what you are trying to do with it |
| 23:54:56 | Nico_P | kkurbjun: only problem is I get a segfault when I add a call to it in my vode |
| 23:55:01 | kkurbjun | just step through it and see how the variables are changing |
| 23:55:03 | Nico_P | s/vode/code |
| 23:55:16 | kkurbjun | you can set a breakpoint in gdb on sscanf |
| 23:55:26 | kkurbjun | and then start the code |
| 23:55:38 | kkurbjun | and when you hit the call gdb will stop running |
| 23:55:49 | kkurbjun | so you can step through and see where it's breaking |
| 23:56:08 | Nico_P | kkurbjun: the segfault was unrelated to where I added the call and I did add a breakpoint on the function that called sscanf and it was never reached |
| 23:56:15 | Nico_P | but I'll try breaking on sscanf |
| 23:56:37 | kkurbjun | huh, I wouldn't have expected that |
| 23:57:48 | kkurbjun | I wonder how newlibs sscanf looks, you might be able to try just bringing that in for now to see what you can do with it, and then cut the code down from there |
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