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| 00:07:36 | kkurbjun | I agree, newlib is much more complex on the whole, it was just a suggestion for getting started working with sscanf |
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| 01:58:29 | Juice^ | Does there exist an official page with boot logos? for the different players.. i would like to change mine on the sansa |
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| 02:04:20 | Soap | what's the width of the sansa's screen? |
| 02:04:36 | Soap | Juice^: ^^ |
| 02:05:02 | Juice^ | 176x220 |
| 02:05:11 | Juice^ | highlight there :) |
| 02:05:24 | Juice^ | Soap :] |
| 02:06:42 | Juice^ | dcc send doesnt seem to be working :x |
| 02:09:05 | Soap | www.cleansoap.org/images/rockboxlogo.176x54x16.bmp |
| 02:10:23 | Soap | the image itself is found in apps\bitmaps\native in the SVN tree, I don't know if there is an online SVN browser or not. |
| 02:11:23 | PaulJam | Soap: there is. http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/?pathrev=13236 |
| 02:11:54 | Soap | thankyou |
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| 03:34:05 | jamieh1 | Help! |
| 03:34:20 | jamieh1 | I installed rockbox today, but I think there is something wrong. |
| 03:35:08 | jamieh1 | Basically, I'm on a 1st gen nano, and it has been building the database for over an hour and has only found 98 songs out of about 800 |
| 03:35:12 | jamieh1 | Any ideas? |
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| 03:39:33 | jamieh1 | Well, thanks anyway... |
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| 03:45:57 | webguest52 | Hello? |
| 03:46:06 | aliask | Hello! |
| 03:46:08 | webguest52 | Hello? |
| 03:46:19 | webguest52 | anybody here? |
| 03:46:20 | aliask | You don't need to repeat yourself. |
| 03:46:23 | webguest52 | o |
| 03:46:26 | webguest52 | srry |
| 03:46:36 | webguest52 | hey i got a question? |
| 03:46:40 | aliask | Do you? |
| 03:46:47 | webguest52 | i cant load my ipod |
| 03:46:53 | webguest52 | u no y? |
| 03:46:56 | webguest52 | or..... |
| 03:46:56 | aliask | What do you mean exactly by that. |
| 03:47:03 | webguest52 | can you help please? |
| 03:47:08 | webguest52 | ok |
| 03:47:13 | aliask | Rockbox doesn't load? I can't connect to USB? I can't load the iPod firmware? |
| 03:47:20 | webguest52 | i just downloaded rockbox |
| 03:47:28 | webguest52 | and... |
| 03:47:50 | aliask | Please try to write as much on one line as possible. Makes reading a whole lot easier. |
| 03:47:55 | webguest52 | installed it to my ipod but it says it erroe |
| 03:48:05 | webguest52 | erroe |
| 03:48:12 | webguest52 | error |
| 03:48:15 | webguest52 | srry |
| 03:48:18 | webguest52 | lo |
| 03:48:20 | webguest52 | lolol |
| 03:48:26 | webguest52 | damn |
| 03:48:26 | aliask | Well, what error is it giving you? |
| 03:48:41 | webguest52 | let me write what it says |
| 03:48:45 | aliask | Please. |
| 03:49:07 | webguest52 | my ipod says it cant load rockbox. |
| 03:49:29 | webguest52 | and it says press menu and select to reboot |
| 03:49:50 | webguest52 | i did that like a million times and it doesnt work |
| 03:49:50 | aliask | It should have an error code, or some more information. Please write it all - I have no idea what the problem is unless you do that. |
| 03:50:20 | webguest52 | i'm gonna write everything it says exaclt the way it says kk |
| 03:50:28 | aliask | That would be helpful |
| 03:50:34 | webguest52 | ok |
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| 03:55:22 | webguest52 | can anybody help me with my ipod |
| 03:55:41 | aliask | webguest52: Yes, I already was. Are you going to tell me the error? |
| 03:56:03 | webguest52 | u looged off |
| 03:56:11 | webguest52 | i was typing |
| 03:56:12 | aliask | No you did. |
| 03:56:30 | webguest52 | ok i type slow so... |
| 03:56:40 | webguest52 | can u waite please |
| 03:56:45 | webguest52 | please |
| 03:57:01 | aliask | I'll be here for at least another one and a half hours and then I have work, so yes, I have plenty of time. |
| 03:57:30 | webguest52 | it says it cant find or load rockbox,ipod |
| 03:57:34 | webguest52 | it says |
| 03:57:39 | webguest52 | file not found |
| 03:57:59 | aliask | Did you download and extract rockbox.zip to your iPod? |
| 03:58:02 | webguest52 | what can i do? |
| 03:58:08 | webguest52 | yup |
| 03:58:13 | webguest52 | i did |
| 03:58:35 | aliask | Well, can you check if there is a file called "rockbox.ipod" in the folder ".rockbox" on your iPod? |
| 03:58:59 | webguest52 | the thing is my pc cant find my ipod |
| 03:59:09 | webguest52 | wasup with that? |
| 03:59:45 | aliask | Try loading the iPod firmware before connecting it to your computer. |
| 03:59:57 | aliask | Do this by switching hold on right after you turn it on |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:04 | webguest52 | what do u mean the ipod firmware? |
| 04:00:13 | webguest52 | 1st time doing this |
| 04:00:17 | webguest52 | sorry |
| 04:00:29 | aliask | You know the original iPod firmware? |
| 04:00:35 | aliask | ie. Not rockbox |
| 04:00:50 | webguest52 | uuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhh...not really.... |
| 04:00:58 | webguest52 | is it on my ipod |
| 04:01:02 | webguest52 | ????? |
| 04:01:04 | aliask | I would hope so. |
| 04:01:18 | aliask | Otherwise your ipod would have never worked in the first place. |
| 04:01:21 | webguest52 | yeah but my computer wont load or find my ipod |
| 04:01:25 | aliask | I know. |
| 04:01:44 | aliask | Stop repeating yourself, you are making it very difficult for me to help you. You DO want me to help you, right? |
| 04:01:49 | webguest52 | my pc usually opens itunes when i connect my ipod |
| 04:02:05 | webguest52 | yes i want u 2 please help me |
| 04:02:12 | webguest52 | PLEASE!!!! |
| 04:02:23 | aliask | Follow these instructions. 1. Turn off the iPod by holding menu and select for about 30 seconds. |
| 04:02:34 | webguest52 | kk |
| 04:02:55 | aliask | 2. Turn the iPod on by pressing the hold button, and STRAIGHT after it turns on (like once the light comes on) switch the hold switch on. |
| 04:03:16 | webguest52 | wait please |
| 04:03:24 | aliask | Uh, turn it on by pressing the play button, not the hold button. |
| 04:03:45 | webguest52 | it wont turn off |
| 04:03:51 | webguest52 | it just reboots |
| 04:04:10 | aliask | That's fine, you still need to enable the hold button. |
| 04:04:22 | aliask | So as soon as it reboots, switch hold on. |
| 04:04:29 | webguest52 | kk i did that |
| 04:04:48 | webguest52 | the hold is on |
| 04:04:53 | aliask | Did the iPod software load up? |
| 04:04:55 | webguest52 | so now what? |
| 04:05:02 | webguest52 | nope? |
| 04:05:13 | aliask | What does it say on the screen? |
| 04:05:14 | webguest52 | what is it supposed to look like? |
| 04:05:36 | aliask | Just normal, like with the white screen that says "artists albums" etc |
| 04:05:45 | webguest52 | nope nothing |
| 04:05:51 | aliask | So it's off? |
| 04:05:52 | webguest52 | the same thing pops up |
| 04:05:56 | aliask | Oh |
| 04:06:01 | webguest52 | the error thing |
| 04:06:11 | webguest52 | the hold is on |
| 04:06:17 | webguest52 | now what |
| 04:06:22 | webguest52 | take it off? |
| 04:06:25 | aliask | You need to switch hold on BEFORE that screen comes up |
| 04:06:39 | webguest52 | ok |
| 04:06:45 | webguest52 | so start over? |
| 04:07:29 | aliask | Yes. Restart and turn on hold ASAP, before anything comes up on the screen. |
| 04:08:03 | webguest52 | ok the screen on my ipod is black and it says the error thing |
| 04:08:12 | webguest52 | and the hold is on? |
| 04:08:17 | webguest52 | do i take it off? |
| 04:08:20 | aliask | Yes. |
| 04:08:25 | webguest52 | kk |
| 04:08:31 | webguest52 | now what? |
| 04:08:32 | aliask | Try restarting the ipod while holding the menu butotn. |
| 04:08:39 | webguest52 | kk |
| 04:09:03 | webguest52 | then i do what? |
| 04:09:50 | aliask | What happens when you connect the USB? |
| 04:09:53 | aliask | Like right now. |
| 04:10:07 | webguest52 | the hold is on and the apple icon is still on |
| 04:10:17 | webguest52 | o |
| 04:10:18 | aliask | Apple icon? |
| 04:10:19 | webguest52 | wait |
| 04:10:30 | webguest52 | i can see the menu! |
| 04:10:37 | aliask | Ok, that's a start. |
| 04:10:39 | webguest52 | the normal menu! |
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| 04:10:51 | webguest52 | so now what |
| 04:10:54 | aliask | Now, connect the iPod to your computer |
| 04:10:56 | webguest52 | wait |
| 04:11:00 | webguest52 | kk |
| 04:11:15 | webguest52 | ok i did that |
| 04:11:23 | aliask | Now go to the iPod's drive. |
| 04:11:28 | webguest52 | tanks by the way! |
| 04:11:32 | webguest52 | thanx |
| 04:11:39 | aliask | We're only half way there at the moment. |
| 04:11:45 | webguest52 | kk |
| 04:11:59 | aliask | Do you have a Mac or a PC? |
| 04:12:04 | webguest52 | pc |
| 04:12:11 | webguest52 | i wish i had a mac |
| 04:12:13 | aliask | Good. (I don't know anything about macs) |
| 04:12:31 | webguest52 | mac r 2 expensive |
| 04:12:48 | aliask | Open up My computer, and go to the iPod. |
| 04:12:57 | webguest52 | i did that |
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| 04:13:01 | webguest52 | so now what? |
| 04:13:03 | aliask | There should be a folder called ".rockbox" in there |
| 04:13:05 | aliask | Is there? |
| 04:13:21 | webguest52 | no it in another folder i created |
| 04:13:30 | webguest52 | take it out |
| 04:13:33 | webguest52 | ???? |
| 04:13:42 | aliask | .rockbox needs to be in the ipod's main folder |
| 04:13:51 | webguest52 | OH!!!! |
| 04:14:00 | webguest52 | is that the problem |
| 04:14:02 | aliask | Yes. |
| 04:14:04 | webguest52 | ? |
| 04:14:06 | webguest52 | o |
| 04:14:17 | webguest52 | r u a hacker or something? |
| 04:14:23 | aliask | ... uh not really. |
| 04:14:31 | aliask | I know how to make rockbox work though! |
| 04:14:36 | Hammer89 | *is laughing... HARD* |
| 04:14:36 | webguest52 | but you'r smart though! |
| 04:14:43 | webguest52 | really smart!! |
| 04:14:46 | webguest52 | XD |
| 04:15:11 | webguest52 | kk |
| 04:15:18 | webguest52 | its in the main folder |
| 04:15:20 | aliask | So double check that the .rockbox folder (and everything in it) is in the iPod drive (like F:/.rockbox) |
| 04:15:25 | webguest52 | so now what? |
| 04:15:38 | webguest52 | k wait plz |
| 04:15:42 | aliask | Safely remove the ipod and unplug it. Rockbox should load. |
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| 04:16:41 | webguest52 | ctually it has some folder but not the one u said like (F:/rockbox) |
| 04:16:41 | GrooveStix | hey folks |
| 04:16:55 | webguest52 | just alot of folders |
| 04:17:04 | aliask | What do you mean webguest52? |
| 04:17:12 | webguest52 | huh? |
| 04:17:12 | GrooveStix | has anyone been getting "bad checksum" errors lately? |
| 04:17:26 | webguest52 | i just looged in like that |
| 04:17:38 | webguest52 | i suck at spelling sorry |
| 04:17:42 | webguest52 | =( |
| 04:17:49 | webguest52 | lol |
| 04:17:51 | aliask | When you open the ipod drive, is there a folder called ".rockbox" there. Or is it somewhere else? |
| 04:18:16 | webguest52 | yeah |
| 04:18:22 | webguest52 | i see it |
| 04:18:34 | aliask | Ok, cool. Disconnect the iPod and it should load rockbox. |
| 04:18:41 | webguest52 | kk |
| 04:18:52 | webguest52 | wait plz |
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| 04:19:15 | webguest52 | kk now what |
| 04:19:19 | webguest52 | WHOA |
| 04:19:26 | webguest52 | WHOA!!!! |
| 04:19:36 | webguest52 | it's all white and |
| 04:19:43 | webguest52 | its all white |
| 04:19:48 | webguest52 | waite |
| 04:20:00 | webguest52 | y does this stuff show up twice |
| 04:20:05 | webguest52 | never mind |
| 04:20:07 | webguest52 | srry |
| 04:20:21 | webguest52 | y r the letters all small? |
| 04:20:29 | webguest52 | like the words |
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| 04:21:09 | webguest52 | hello? anybody here? |
| 04:21:13 | aliask | Because the default font is small. I'm not going to teach you how to use rockbox, there's way too much to cover. |
| 04:21:24 | aliask | Instead, I suggest you read the manual. |
| 04:21:26 | webguest52 | its cool |
| 04:21:30 | webguest52 | no worries |
| 04:21:35 | webguest52 | just axin' |
| 04:21:50 | webguest52 | oh by the way im 16 yrs |
| 04:22:09 | aliask | I'm 18 :) |
| 04:22:34 | aliask | Oh wait, 19... forgot about my birthday the other day... |
| 04:22:42 | webguest52 | hey i downloaded this cuz i thought i could put computer games like mario or doom on my ipod video |
| 04:22:55 | webguest52 | can i do that? |
| 04:23:06 | aliask | You can. Gameboy games will run slowly on an ipod video though. |
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| 04:23:18 | webguest52 | gameboy games? |
| 04:23:24 | aliask | Yes. Gameboy games. |
| 04:23:27 | webguest52 | how do i put them on my ipod? |
| 04:23:40 | webguest52 | or where can i download them? |
| 04:23:54 | webguest52 | do u play pc online games? |
| 04:24:06 | webguest52 | like endless online? |
| 04:24:16 | aliask | You'll have to do that yourself, it's illegal to provide gameboy games for download. |
| 04:24:24 | webguest52 | o |
| 04:24:25 | aliask | You will want to read thsi: |
| 04:24:26 | webguest52 | kk |
| 04:24:26 | aliask | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-build.html |
| 04:24:27 | webguest52 | lol |
| 04:24:48 | webguest52 | does that tell me how to download them on my ipod |
| 04:24:51 | webguest52 | ???? |
| 04:25:02 | aliask | That tells you everything you want to know about rockbox. And more. |
| 04:25:13 | webguest52 | kk thank you |
| 04:25:29 | webguest52 | do u play endless online? |
| 04:25:44 | aliask | Nope. |
| 04:25:54 | webguest52 | kk thank you cya |
| 04:26:10 | webguest52 | wait |
| 04:26:21 | webguest52 | its really kool if u want it go to |
| 04:26:33 | webguest52 | www.endless-online.com |
| 04:26:38 | webguest52 | its free |
| 04:26:46 | webguest52 | lol |
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| 04:27:25 | * | aliask breathes a sigh of relief |
| 04:27:34 | Hammer89 | That was entertaining... |
| 04:27:40 | aliask | Quite. |
| 04:28:30 | GrooveStix | :) |
| 04:28:34 | Hammer89 | Actually... I needed that... I haven't laughed that hard all day :D |
| 04:29:41 | GrooveStix | damn, you guys will make me to open the logs and crash firefox |
| 04:29:53 | GrooveStix | or worse |
| 04:30:36 | GrooveStix | ... |
| 04:31:20 | GrooveStix | however, can someone offer some help |
| 04:32:11 | GrooveStix | I am getting "bad checksum" errors since I updated the firmware/bootloader |
| 04:32:16 | GrooveStix | on my GigaBeat F |
| 04:33:40 | GrooveStix | any ideas? or shall I specificate further ? |
| 04:34:01 | krazykit | what did you update, specifically? the gigabeat firmware or the bootloader? |
| 04:34:19 | GrooveStix | both |
| 04:34:44 | krazykit | try copying over the bootloader again |
| 04:34:57 | krazykit | make sure it's the rockbox one |
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| 04:37:31 | GrooveStix | I have an idea |
| 04:37:40 | GrooveStix | I'll take a picture of the error message |
| 04:37:53 | GrooveStix | since it's long |
| 04:38:04 | GrooveStix | (yes I copied the bootloader again) |
| 04:40:28 | GrooveStix | hmmm, bad idea |
| 04:40:37 | GrooveStix | my cam sucks |
| 04:40:53 | GrooveStix | I'll try to type it then: |
| 04:43:43 | GrooveStix | Rockbox bootloader |
| 04:43:48 | GrooveStix | Version: .... |
| 04:44:02 | GrooveStix | Loading Firmware |
| 04:44:21 | GrooveStix | Length: 6D348 |
| 04:44:26 | GrooveStix | Checksum: 0 |
| 04:44:57 | GrooveStix | Model name: |
| 04:45:17 | GrooveStix | Loading rockbox.gigabeat |
| 04:45:37 | GrooveStix | Sum: 2BE7B69 |
| 04:45:59 | GrooveStix | Bad Checksum |
| 04:46:06 | GrooveStix | .......... |
| 04:46:10 | GrooveStix | and that's it |
| 04:46:31 | GrooveStix | any ideas? |
| 04:47:14 | krazykit | try putting on the latest build of rockbox |
| 04:47:18 | GrooveStix | btw this shows up after the loading screen and stays on for about 5 second |
| 04:47:20 | GrooveStix | s |
| 04:47:24 | GrooveStix | I did |
| 04:47:33 | krazykit | strange. i have today's rockbox and it works fine |
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| 04:47:47 | GrooveStix | I actually moved all the old rockbox files away |
| 04:48:08 | GrooveStix | and unzipped a fresh combination of bootloader/fonts/rockbox |
| 04:48:27 | GrooveStix | same error |
| 04:48:46 | krazykit | hm. any way you could restore it to factory (using whatever tool toshiba has) and then reinstalling? |
| 04:48:57 | krazykit | assuming you're using windows, of course |
| 04:49:00 | GrooveStix | yes |
| 04:49:07 | GrooveStix | I have a better idea |
| 04:49:25 | GrooveStix | I'll try restoring the older bootloader |
| 04:50:54 | GrooveStix | let us see |
| 04:51:05 | GrooveStix | aha! it's the BootLoader!!! |
| 04:51:23 | GrooveStix | I downgraded it and now it works fine again! |
| 04:52:22 | GrooveStix | mmmhm |
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| 05:04:50 | H10_007quick | I tried the make command in the rbutil folder but it failed |
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| 05:54:42 | Transience | hey |
| 05:55:12 | Transience | i'm working on modifying the firmware over at epiZENter.net |
| 05:55:53 | Transience | we're stuck because we can't figure out which algorithm generates the checksum for the nk.bin file |
| 05:56:12 | Transience | does anyone know which algorithm this is? |
| 05:57:28 | borisyeltsin | hey, any more progress on the sansa? The wiki hasn't been updated in a while... |
| 05:58:03 | Transience | hey |
| 05:58:18 | Transience | do you have any familiarity with either the ZVM |
| 05:58:29 | Transience | or checksum algorithms? |
| 05:58:38 | borisyeltsin | I don't code. Thus my interest in the sansa port. If I could code I would have done it myself;) |
| 05:58:48 | Transience | mm |
| 05:58:58 | Transience | this isn't really coding though |
| 05:59:07 | borisyeltsin | still no knowledge. |
| 05:59:11 | Transience | ah |
| 05:59:13 | Transience | thanks anyway |
| 05:59:29 | Transience | i'm a ZVM man though |
| 05:59:38 | Transience | so i couldn't tell you about the sansa |
| 05:59:39 | Transience | sorry |
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| 06:24:39 | Transience | does anyone in here know about the ZVM? |
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| 06:40:51 | Saint_Jimmy_ | does anyone in here know about checksums? |
| 06:42:06 | Saint_Jimmy_ | i'm working on modifying the Zen Vision M firmware at epiZENter.net |
| 06:44:19 | jhulst | Saint_Jimmy_: Any specific questions? |
| 06:44:51 | Saint_Jimmy_ | we're trying to modify the firmware |
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| 06:45:05 | Saint_Jimmy_ | but we can't get the firmware to pass the checksum |
| 06:45:21 | krazykit | have you read the thread in New Ports? |
| 06:45:25 | Saint_Jimmy_ | because we don't know the algorithm which generated the checksum for the nk.bin file |
| 06:45:28 | Saint_Jimmy_ | yeah |
| 06:45:48 | Saint_Jimmy_ | http://www.epizenter.net/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?69697.270 |
| 06:45:52 | Saint_Jimmy_ | look at my last post |
| 06:45:52 | krazykit | then you have all the information that exists within rockbox right now |
| 06:46:01 | jhulst | Saint_Jimmy_: The post on Rockbox |
| 06:46:06 | Saint_Jimmy_ | with the registry key |
| 06:46:14 | krazykit | i meant: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3320.0 |
| 06:46:50 | krazykit | between those threads, that's pretty much what there is |
| 06:47:03 | lachlan | Saint_Jimmy: There aren't any core developers of Rockbox interested in a ZVM port (to my knowledge). Your best bet would be to look in the thread in our New POrts section, as there were one of two knowledgeable poeple trying to create a port IIRC. |
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| 06:47:33 | lachlan | s/of/or |
| 06:48:00 | Saint_Jimmy_ | well we know that it's a 160 bit hash |
| 06:48:13 | Saint_Jimmy_ | if that helps any |
| 06:48:28 | jhulst | Saint_Jimmy_: We don't know that for sure, that's what we think right now |
| 06:48:50 | Saint_Jimmy_ | oh |
| 06:48:51 | Saint_Jimmy_ | kk |
| 06:49:01 | jhulst | If you have any specific questions, I can do my best to answer them, I am one of the people working on the port |
| 06:49:12 | Saint_Jimmy_ | kk |
| 06:49:25 | Saint_Jimmy_ | did you see my post about the registry key? |
| 06:50:02 | Saint_Jimmy_ | is that related to the checksum algorithm? or am i just taking a shot in the dark here? |
| 06:50:58 | jhulst | Saint_Jimmy_: It looks like a shot in the dark but I haven't taken a good look at it |
| 06:51:15 | Saint_Jimmy_ | ok |
| 06:52:07 | Saint_Jimmy_ | is there some way i could check? like use that registry value to compute the checksum? |
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| 06:54:17 | Saint_Jimmy_ | if it helps any |
| 06:54:29 | Saint_Jimmy_ | the updater seems to be written in c++ |
| 06:54:44 | Saint_Jimmy_ | as Rec Studio can open it without problem |
| 06:55:07 | jhulst | Saint_Jimmy_: I don't think that the registry value is the way to go |
| 06:55:40 | jhulst | I'll take a look at it in Rec Studio |
| 06:56:08 | Saint_Jimmy_ | k |
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| 07:06:27 | jhulst | Saint_Jimmy_: I don't think it is C++, It looks like Rec Studio decompiles it to assembly |
| 07:06:55 | jhulst | I've been going over the code in assembly, as you should see in the Rockbox forum |
| 07:08:45 | Saint_Jimmy_ | kk |
| 07:09:26 | Saint_Jimmy_ | so is the Rec Studio disassembly any help here at all? |
| 07:12:26 | jhulst | Yup, that code is what we have to look through right now, I've been using a different program that seems to present it a little better |
| 07:12:39 | Saint_Jimmy_ | which one? |
| 07:13:57 | jhulst | OllyDbg, it's all in the thread |
| 07:14:14 | Saint_Jimmy_ | k |
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| 07:15:14 | Saint_Jimmy_ | thanks for your help |
| 07:16:13 | jhulst | Saint_Jimmy_: No problem, anything to help |
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| 08:18:40 | grilled-cheese | can somebody let me know if this is possible currently? I just won a 30G video ipod in a programming contest and was wondering if there was a way to split it in half, one side for portable media (possibly using rockbox or something) and the other half a bootable sabayon linux installation |
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| 08:46:55 | MonkeyTamer | Is there such a linux distro available for the ipod? |
| 08:47:24 | lex | ipodlinux? :o |
| 08:47:40 | MonkeyTamer | referring to grilled-cheese's comment |
| 08:48:10 | MonkeyTamer | grilled cheese: that's all there really is, ipodlinux |
| 08:48:27 | MonkeyTamer | you can dual boot with loader2, but it isn't supported by Rockbox |
| 08:48:39 | grilled-cheese | i'm not looking to try and run linux "on" the ipod, but use it more like a USB drive so i can plug it into a compy at like walmart and boot linux |
| 08:49:01 | MonkeyTamer | so place the system files and such?> |
| 08:49:16 | MonkeyTamer | you could do that I suppose |
| 08:49:28 | MonkeyTamer | but that would give that little HDD aworkout |
| 08:50:39 | grilled-cheese | yeah |
| 08:50:47 | grilled-cheese | i know it will |
| 08:51:01 | grilled-cheese | but it's not intended to be used as a full time solution |
| 08:51:02 | MonkeyTamer | well, when you put rockbox on to the dac, you have the ability to go into USB mode anyways |
| 08:51:10 | MonkeyTamer | *dap |
| 08:51:20 | grilled-cheese | but is is bootable? |
| 08:51:36 | MonkeyTamer | not sure about that, unless you had an executable somehow |
| 08:52:22 | annulus_ | does the ipod use the standard usb mass storage device framework? i thought it did not |
| 08:52:25 | MonkeyTamer | I really don't know a whole lot about linux, but there are some devs who come on later who may be more informative |
| 08:52:36 | annulus_ | if it did, you could, assuming the bios supported it |
| 08:53:21 | annulus_ | booting over usb, that is |
| 08:53:32 | MonkeyTamer | yeah, that sounds right |
| 08:54:24 | annulus_ | might be easier to boot of a CD and use the ipod for $HOME or something |
| 08:54:34 | annulus_ | your ipod will last longer, too |
| 08:57:07 | amiconn | Whether you can boot off a usb hdd doesn't depend on the hdd, it depends on the bios of the pc you want to boot from it |
| 08:57:51 | amiconn | And yes, the ipod uses plain usb mass storage protocol, so no problem from that side |
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| 09:07:31 | grilled-cheese | while yes, the ipod does use the standard UMS protocol, there is a need to be able to tinker with the partition table as there is no bootable partitions set in the partition table |
| 09:09:57 | grilled-cheese | so there is a little needed at least |
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| 09:10:52 | grilled-cheese | but anyway, thanks for the input yall, i'll try asking again later and see what others have to say |
| 09:11:26 | MonkeyTamer | heh, for me this is just a learning experience in itself |
| 09:11:50 | MonkeyTamer | that in addition to the electric flux and other physical jargon that's preoccupying my time |
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| 09:21:10 | MonkeyTamer | electrostatics is so taxing... |
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| 09:36:44 | bluebrother | has someone objections against rejecting FS #7072? IIRC we had a rejected request for java earlier |
| 09:38:21 | Bagder | reject! |
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| 09:39:54 | * | bluebrother goes rejecting |
| 09:41:35 | Bagder | recent fun: no less than 4 mails caught by mailman before they reached the mailing list with my rockbox-email in the From: field, with pure spam content |
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| 09:43:33 | bluebrother | aaah, this might get a good day. Rejected a useless request already :P |
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| 09:50:58 | boemie | hi evryone |
| 09:51:25 | * | Bagder waves |
| 09:52:22 | boemie | does anyone here have an ipod vid 30gb 5th gen? |
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| 10:01:40 | lex | 5.5G, yes |
| 10:05:01 | JdGordon | amiconn: do you think it would be safe to assume that every icon in the viewers bmp would be referenced by wther viewers.config or the .icons file? so we could use the highest icon number as an idea of how heigh the viewer icons are? |
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| 10:08:30 | grilled-cheese | just got me a 5.5G 30G unit today |
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| 10:23:09 | JdGordon | grr! |
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| 10:25:39 | boemie | peepz im having lots of trouble with my ipod -.- |
| 10:26:26 | boemie | anyon there? |
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| 10:27:08 | JdGordon | PaulJam: hey |
| 10:27:12 | boemie | hiya |
| 10:27:19 | PaulJam | hi |
| 10:27:34 | JdGordon | do you rmemeber the icon bug from last week which i havnt fixed yet? |
| 10:28:04 | lachlan | boemi: Just ask your question and someone will answer it |
| 10:28:11 | PaulJam | JdGordon: do you mean the bug that all musicfiles get the mp3 icon? |
| 10:28:15 | boemie | okidoki |
| 10:29:15 | JdGordon | PaulJam: that could be the one... can you elaborate? |
| 10:29:27 | JdGordon | i remmeber there being an if.... |
| 10:30:15 | boemie | my ipod video 30gb 5th gen is stuck at the loading screen and keeps rebooting the whole time with a little click when it reboots when i try to put it on my dock the only thing it sais is please wait low battery so theres nothing i can do about it because i cant get a link between my pc and my ipod -.- this happend after i installed rockbox and went through the whole manual |
| 10:30:39 | boemie | can someone help me? |
| 10:32:23 | JdGordon | do a reset (hold menu+select), then hold menu down while you boot so it goes into the OF, then connect to usb |
| 10:32:47 | PaulJam | JdGordon: I'm not sure what you mean. the bug was that even if you for example set "flac:5" in the icons file and it contains the entry "mp3:4", flac files would show icon 4. |
| 10:33:41 | JdGordon | ok, i tohught there was more to it :p definatly happening so ill hoopefully get it. |
| 10:33:51 | boemie | gordon i already tried to do the reset but its just when i reset it starts automatically again and it hangs at the apple logo -.- |
| 10:33:59 | boemie | so it just cant start |
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| 10:34:50 | boemie | so technically it cant do anything and when i put my ipod onto the dock it just says low battery so it doesnt connect to my pc |
| 10:34:54 | JdGordon | hmm... i dunno... dont have an ipod |
| 10:34:58 | boemie | kk |
| 10:35:02 | boemie | nvm |
| 10:35:05 | kkurbjun | boemie |
| 10:35:06 | boemie | im doomed -.- |
| 10:35:10 | boemie | yes? |
| 10:35:11 | kkurbjun | I've seen it on a nano |
| 10:35:27 | boemie | i think it cannot be fixed |
| 10:35:36 | PaulJam | bah, seems as if the new wps loading code doesn't like my wps. |
| 10:35:38 | kkurbjun | and you just have to let it cycle for a while till it builds up enough charge |
| 10:35:59 | boemie | ok so put it onto my dock so it can recharge too?> |
| 10:36:30 | boemie | because if i dont it just cycles until its out of battery |
| 10:36:30 | kkurbjun | I try and avoid letting the battery hit rock bottom |
| 10:36:40 | kkurbjun | ahh |
| 10:36:40 | boemie | well mine already did -.- |
| 10:37:04 | kkurbjun | yes, I would let it charge first and see how it does |
| 10:37:27 | boemie | yea but when i charge it and it has enough battery say like 5 % (guess) it goes cycling again |
| 10:37:37 | boemie | and then when it falls back it charges up again -.- |
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| 10:38:48 | kkurbjun | I don't know about that then, I've just seen it work on the nano, it can charge completely off usb though. |
| 10:39:05 | kkurbjun | if you can charge it independent of plugging it in it might help though |
| 10:39:15 | boemie | oh yes that might work :D |
| 10:39:25 | boemie | wow thanx alot man ! |
| 10:39:30 | boemie | :P |
| 10:39:36 | kkurbjun | :), I mean independent of usb |
| 10:39:39 | JdGordon | PaulJam: ah, bugger.... found the problem.. not really possible to fix |
| 10:39:40 | boemie | yes yes |
| 10:40:01 | JdGordon | its because all music uses the same attributes, which is what the file icon goes by |
| 10:40:10 | boemie | a ipod charger independent from pc right? |
| 10:40:40 | boemie | thanx alot |
| 10:40:44 | boemie | bye bye evryone |
| 10:41:01 | PaulJam | JdGordon: for me it's ok, i'm not planning to use different icons anyway. |
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| 10:54:50 | Bagder | I can see on my CPU meter when a commit has happened ;-) |
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| 10:57:23 | JdGordon | Bagder: and the network activity also as we all hammer build.rockbox.org :p |
| 10:57:41 | JdGordon | which server dropped off which is slowing the build down? |
| 10:58:05 | Bagder | true, but I'm on "storebror" which is my home box and it is just a build server in the pool |
| 10:58:35 | Bagder | the master build log is pretty detailed and shows all that |
| 10:59:02 | Bagder | I'm preparing to make the build system capable of building the same build on more than one server |
| 10:59:10 | Bagder | and pick the fastest |
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| 11:01:43 | JdGordon | what about delayed upload? or still to hard to be bothered with? |
| 11:02:18 | Bagder | it'll be painful to get to work fine |
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| 11:02:38 | Bagder | I mean, the builds and the transfers pretty much need to be synchronized anyway |
| 11:02:54 | Bagder | it'll turn really messy if we start a new build before the transfers are done |
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| 11:08:45 | bluebrother | is the network speed really such a concern? |
| 11:08:51 | Bagder | yes |
| 11:09:01 | Bagder | some of the zips take >40 seconds to transfer |
| 11:09:42 | Bagder | at times that is |
| 11:10:53 | bluebrother | oh. |
| 11:11:01 | bluebrother | that's quite a while |
| 11:11:12 | Bagder | indeed |
| 11:12:58 | Bagder | "copied build-recorder/rockbox.zip in 48 seconds, 20047 bytes/second" |
| 11:13:40 | Bagder | the recorder build should take far less than 48 seconds to build on most servers... |
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| 11:33:56 | amiconn | Bagder: 20KByte/s upstream isn't exactly fast, but quite usual for ADSL upstream |
| 11:34:15 | Bagder | yes |
| 11:34:15 | * | amiconn 's upstream isn't that much faster |
| 11:34:33 | amiconn | 45KByte/s under optimal conditions, i.e. 384kbit/s |
| 11:34:38 | amiconn | bbl |
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| 11:34:57 | Bagder | my server is on adsl and wireless, and still is >100kbyte/sec... |
| 11:35:03 | Bagder | :-) |
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| 12:00:33 | webguest17 | hello |
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| 12:03:37 | markun | hi webguest17, having problems? |
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| 12:11:52 | JdGordon | markun: is the gigabeat button lights similar to the sansas? |
| 12:12:46 | webguest17 | hi - experimenting with rockbox and am looking for clues as to where to put a playlist into rockbox created with kaffiene.. |
| 12:12:58 | markun | JdGordon: I don't know the sansa |
| 12:13:02 | Bagder | webguest17: anywhere you like |
| 12:13:35 | JdGordon | markun: the sansa has a light on the scroll wheel that turns on whenever you spin it... |
| 12:13:44 | * | JdGordon cant find pics on the gb's lights |
| 12:14:15 | webguest17 | so if i put i the original ipod playlist folder rockbox will find it - m3u that is? |
| 12:14:46 | markun | JdGordon: the gigabeat has 3 blue leds under the side buttons. You can change the brightness in steps of 64, but two of them are connected and will have the same brightness if both are switched on. |
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| 12:14:59 | markun | in 64 steps :) |
| 12:15:00 | Bagder | webguest17: you'll browse the dirs and files to find it so yes |
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| 12:16:13 | markun | JdGordon: is that similar? |
| 12:16:13 | JdGordon | markun: do they turn on when you press the button and then off again after some time? |
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| 12:16:48 | webguest17 | ok i'll give it a try - thanks - only installed yesterday and am still stumbling around..... |
| 12:16:50 | JdGordon | markun: the sansa just has 3 leds under a pice of plastic, they are ether on or off... but im more interesetd in the behaviour.. |
| 12:16:52 | markun | JdGordon: we could do that yes, but you control them in software so you can do anything you want |
| 12:17:15 | bluebrother | webguest17, the playlist entries need to be absolute (to the device's root folder) or relative. |
| 12:17:22 | bluebrother | That's all that might be limitating ;-) |
| 12:17:55 | bluebrother | and playlists encoded with utf8 are m3u8 while m3u will be assumed to have the codepage you selected |
| 12:17:57 | JdGordon | markun: ok cool, ill try doing this in a generic way so you dont need to do much to get it working if you want |
| 12:18:24 | markun | JdGordon: don't fuck it up.. :) |
| 12:24:11 | JdGordon | why does the backlight code need a thread if its got a tick task? |
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| 12:26:07 | * | barrywardell wonders what JdGordon is doing |
| 12:26:18 | JdGordon | 7067 |
| 12:27:20 | barrywardell | ah |
| 12:27:44 | webguest17 | BINGO!! trial playlist shows in "playlists" and plays.... thanks again |
| 12:29:02 | Juice^ | you could make the led lights on the sansa pulse from the music eq.. :) would be fun |
| 12:30:25 | JdGordon | Juice^: I had it set as the disk activity light once when i was debugging... looked great... :D |
| 12:30:40 | Juice^ | JdGordon: haha.. cool :) |
| 12:31:03 | Juice^ | i'd love to see that in action |
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| 12:33:51 | Juice^ | JdGordon: didn't it flash alot then? |
| 12:34:47 | JdGordon | yes.. flahsed like mad for the first 30sec or so.. then quiet untill playback, but the flashing was cool :p |
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| 12:35:26 | Juice^ | guess its quite a waste of battery time :D |
| 12:35:27 | spiorf | i want an extra led on my ipod too.... |
| 12:36:26 | amiconn | Bagder: The slowish uploads from some servers would be less of a problem with an asynchronous upload queue |
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| 12:36:41 | Bagder | not really |
| 12:36:50 | amiconn | Maybe this would pay off more than speculative builds... |
| 12:36:52 | Bagder | only if they would be asynch over build rounds |
| 12:37:14 | amiconn | Right now the servers build - upload - build - upload |
| 12:37:19 | Slasheri | rsync should be used to transfer the zip file.. |
| 12:37:46 | amiconn | So a fast server on a slowish connection isn't used to its full potential |
| 12:38:24 | amiconn | I'm not saying each build should have its own upload thread, that might easily become a real mess |
| 12:38:48 | Bagder | but the only gain we get is that the table could be updated faster |
| 12:38:56 | Bagder | as I would still want all transfers done before next round |
| 12:38:59 | amiconn | But what about an upload queue? |
| 12:39:11 | amiconn | No, I think it would be an overall gain |
| 12:39:22 | Bagder | ah, I get it |
| 12:39:36 | Bagder | yes, we could upload while the next build is in progress |
| 12:39:43 | amiconn | Yes, transfers should be finished before the next round, but this way the servers are kept busy and the slowish upstream is also kept busy |
| 12:39:44 | Bagder | on that server I mean |
| 12:39:57 | Bagder | basically having a transfer thread for each server |
| 12:40:01 | amiconn | yup |
| 12:40:11 | Slasheri | replacing the scp command with rsync command should give very noticeable gain |
| 12:40:26 | JdGordon | if another build is going already, why do we need the zip? |
| 12:40:29 | Bagder | we'd of course have to rsync over ssh then |
| 12:40:44 | Slasheri | that might work even better if the zip is not compressed (or zipped) at all |
| 12:40:49 | Bagder | JdGordon: I won't go into such a mess |
| 12:41:01 | Slasheri | rsync uses ssh by default |
| 12:41:16 | Bagder | JdGordon: each build round is "stand-alone" |
| 12:41:27 | Bagder | Slasheri: ? no it doesn't |
| 12:41:30 | Bagder | but it can |
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| 12:41:45 | Slasheri | Bagder: at least it does on every linux distro i have used it |
| 12:41:54 | Bagder | if you tell it to, sure |
| 12:41:57 | Slasheri | -e ssh can be used as parameter if necessary |
| 12:42:13 | amiconn | Bagder: Another improvement for build.rockbox.org (not related to build speed this time) woul dbe if it keeps the old zips available for download until the new round is finished |
| 12:42:15 | Slasheri | but i have only needed that on old solaris platforms |
| 12:42:25 | Bagder | rsync uses its own protocol and port number if you use rsync:// |
| 12:42:42 | Slasheri | yes, if you sync with daemon |
| 12:43:00 | Bagder | all I say is that you need to tell it what to do |
| 12:43:04 | Slasheri | but just copying files over two machines, it goes through ssh |
| 12:43:29 | amiconn | Perhaps the download page should be separate from the build tables as well. It's not very intuitive for plain users |
| 12:43:31 | Slasheri | assuming rsync is installed on both machines, the same syntax works as for scp |
| 12:43:43 | Slasheri | but more parameters can be used if necessary |
| 12:43:50 | Bagder | amiconn: yes it really should |
| 12:44:45 | Bagder | and I'm still doubtful about the benefits of using rsync for new files |
| 12:45:32 | * | amiconn 's linux box has no rsync installed |
| 12:45:38 | Slasheri | i think the fastest way to do it would be recursively rsync the whole build directory before generating the zip file (however, then server would generate it and that takes some time too) |
| 12:46:09 | Slasheri | for completely new files, it does not improve speed if the file is already compressed |
| 12:46:26 | amiconn | Slasheri: I doubt that. Why would transferring a whole bunch of uncompressed files be faster than transferring one compressed file? |
| 12:46:30 | Slasheri | (-z parameter does compression on fly when syncing) |
| 12:46:32 | Bagder | "rsync the whole build directory" from where to where? |
| 12:46:50 | Slasheri | amiconn: because it compresses on the fly and transfers only differences found |
| 12:47:08 | Bagder | and the build dir should be empty when it starts to build ;-) |
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| 12:47:16 | amiconn | On the fly compression isn't as efficient as offline compression |
| 12:47:42 | Slasheri | amiconn: yeah, but we are transferring only the diff compressed |
| 12:48:00 | Slasheri | it's way more efficient than transferring the whole compressed zip file |
| 12:48:08 | amiconn | The build dirs are completely regenerated every build, so the diff would be the whole dir |
| 12:48:35 | Slasheri | i doubt you got the idea how rsync works |
| 12:48:59 | Bagder | rsync does binary diffs and sends them |
| 12:49:01 | Slasheri | it uses checksums, timestamps and so on to generate the diff on the fly |
| 12:49:47 | amiconn | I never used rsync itself, but I know the concept from several similar tools/programs |
| 12:50:19 | amiconn | Taking the remote diff is certainly some overhead, especially since all timestamps change from build to build |
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| 12:50:46 | amiconn | And the same build servers aren't guaranteed to build the same targets every time |
| 12:51:17 | Slasheri | different timestamps do some overhead indeed |
| 12:51:30 | Slasheri | but why would it matter which build server are generating the build? |
| 12:51:53 | amiconn | Do you want to rsync all build dirs across all build servers? |
| 12:51:55 | JdGordon | Bagder: are the svn builds actaully stored once the next build is started? |
| 12:52:13 | Slasheri | amiconn: why would that be necessary? |
| 12:52:17 | * | JdGordon mentions bittorrent for the build zips |
| 12:53:48 | amiconn | Slasheri: If you sync e.g. the H100 build with one build server, the master would have its copy in that state. Now, what happens if the H100 is built on another build server next time? |
| 12:54:10 | Slasheri | that doesn't matter at all |
| 12:54:28 | amiconn | I don't think so. |
| 12:54:34 | JdGordon | setup a dedicated tracker for svn builds, then seed all builds from *.rockbox.org and have the build servers sedd the builds they do... no one needs to keep track of who is uploading what... |
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| 12:54:46 | Slasheri | rsync does exactly same thing as scp, but in much more powerfull and intelligent way |
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| 12:57:31 | JdGordon | Bagder: what do you think? all thats needed is a tracker that offers rss feeds of new torrents so the main server can grab them.. and then instead of needing the .zip to make the tables, only upload rockbox-info.txt and the build log for each build? |
| 12:58:05 | amiconn | Slasheri: If you'd do this, rsync would sync many files unnecessarily because of subtle differences |
| 12:58:26 | amiconn | There are many things in the build dir which don't end up in the zip |
| 12:58:36 | Slasheri | amiconn: rsync would sync the differences it finds, not whole files |
| 12:58:48 | amiconn | Yes, but it would find lots of differences |
| 12:59:03 | Slasheri | ok, that could be true |
| 12:59:31 | Slasheri | but telling rsync to check only interesting files could actually work better |
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| 13:02:38 | Bagder | JdGordon: I don't believe in that |
| 13:02:51 | Bagder | build servers come and go |
| 13:02:56 | Bagder | and they should be allowed to |
| 13:03:34 | JdGordon | ok... so? |
| 13:03:47 | Bagder | so we need to get the zips to the master after each build |
| 13:04:04 | JdGordon | the main rockbox server would seed them all so the build servers could vanish if they wanted to |
| 13:04:29 | Bagder | that would also force all servers to offer torrents |
| 13:04:38 | Bagder | which I wouldn't want them to have to |
| 13:05:02 | JdGordon | hmm... fair point |
| 13:06:04 | Bagder | I'm off, back tonight |
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| 13:15:07 | amiconn | JdGordon: around? |
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| 13:15:28 | JdGordon | amiconn: I are |
| 13:16:18 | amiconn | Could you give me some hints regarding the menu system, root menu and end of playlist? |
| 13:16:44 | amiconn | The problem that hwcodec always jumps back to root at end of list is still there... |
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| 13:17:06 | amiconn | Also, there is a problem regarding the wps context menu on Ondio |
| 13:17:06 | bluebrother | bittorrent for svn builds will only cause trouble as the file gets replaced quite often |
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| 13:17:36 | bluebrother | bittorrent might be an idea for e.g. the video downloads |
| 13:17:37 | amiconn | Since there is no direct access to the main menu from wps, pressing the menu combo again in the context menu should call the main menu |
| 13:17:57 | amiconn | But for some reason you end up in the sound settings menu rather than the top level... |
| 13:18:09 | JdGordon | amiconn: the hwcodec problem is almost definatly in wps_show() which has (iirc) one "return GO_TO_ROOT;" line |
| 13:18:42 | JdGordon | gwps_show() possibly... |
| 13:19:12 | lachlan | blueborther: wasn't the 'video torrent' idea already tried- and failed? |
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| 13:19:17 | JdGordon | bluebrother: why would constant new builds cause a problem for BT? the newest torrent would always be linked to |
| 13:19:51 | bluebrother | because users will run into trouble when downloading a build that vanishes. |
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| 13:20:15 | bluebrother | you can't guarantee that the file will be present within the next couple of seconds / minutes. Not a problem for http |
| 13:21:03 | JdGordon | the idea is though, that it wont vanish.... the main server would seed the most recent 10 builds (for example) |
| 13:21:22 | bluebrother | additionally, an average user wouldn't install bittorrent just to get the most recent build |
| 13:21:43 | PaulJam | i was just wondering, would it be bossible to somehow lock the currently playing playlist, so it can't be overwritten? i have updated the root.m3u8 while it was playing and this seems to have messed up playback in the simulator (the wps shows the wrong track) |
| 13:22:08 | bluebrother | PaulJam, you can enable "warn on erasing dynamic playlist" |
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| 13:22:21 | bluebrother | but I don't think there is any locking mechanism. |
| 13:23:14 | amiconn | JdGordon: Hmmmmmmm... the last line in gui_wps_show() should indeed be unreachable. But there are two places with suspicious return values: gwps.c line 133 and 656 |
| 13:23:35 | amiconn | The latter returns GO_TO_ROOT, the former returns 0 (why just a plain 0 ???) |
| 13:24:06 | JdGordon | no idea.. but 0 is GO_TO_BROWSER... |
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| 13:25:24 | JdGordon | amiconn: try changing both of them to GO_TO_PREVIOUS? |
| 13:26:00 | amiconn | If 0 is GO_TO_BROWSER that one can't be the reason. But it's still fishy... |
| 13:27:26 | amiconn | What's the difference between GO_TO_PREVIOUS_BROWSER and GO_TO_PREVIOUS? |
| 13:28:13 | JdGordon | previous_browser is tree or db.. previous is any screen |
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| 13:33:33 | amiconn | JdGordon: I am wondering about lines 642..644. What does this do? |
| 13:35:35 | JdGordon | follow playlist setting |
| 13:36:26 | amiconn | AH, hmmmm |
| 13:37:07 | amiconn | The GO_TO_ROOT in line 658 is obviously reached when gui_wps_display() returns true (which is the case at end of list) |
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| 13:37:36 | amiconn | I think we do want the follow playlist feature work correctly in that case, which means we'd need a similar mechanism there |
| 13:38:36 | amiconn | I think moving the whole if (restore && ...) {...} block in front of the if (exit ) { ... } block and just setting exit = true should do it. What do you think? |
| 13:39:11 | JdGordon | I dunno... if it works go for it |
| 13:39:21 | amiconn | I'll check it |
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| 13:45:34 | PaulJam | Nico_P: i was wondering, would it be possible to show a splash with the linenumber and maybe the column where the wps pharsing failed? or do you think that is unnecessary. |
| 13:46:44 | Nico_P | PaulJam: actually I was considering it |
| 13:47:06 | Nico_P | PaulJam: but some said it was unnecessary... I think it would help the users |
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| 13:50:18 | bluebrother | displaying a "broken wps" splash is completely sufficient imo |
| 13:50:46 | amiconn | Nico_P: Why not just stop at the point of error, and display the partial wps? Or would that add unnecessary comlication? |
| 13:51:15 | fm2 | markun: have you had a chance to look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7058 ? |
| 13:53:09 | fm2 | amiconn: that would be very confusing IMO. Even for experienced users. |
| 13:53:45 | Nico_P | amiconn: it's doable but then I would need to close open conditionals... that's what people didn't seem to want |
| 13:54:28 | amiconn | fm2: Of course I mean including an error msg |
| 13:55:22 | fm2 | amiconn: but then you'll have a non working WPS. IMP it's better to display a message and switch to a working (=default = compiled in) WPS |
| 13:55:51 | amiconn | Yeah, but the user has no hint where the error is |
| 13:56:18 | amiconn | And adding a line/column output sounds like unnecessary extra effort |
| 13:57:01 | fm2 | amiconn: if the user didn't do the WPS himself he will have no clue how to fix it anaway. And if he did he'll use sim or other means. |
| 13:57:26 | Llorean | What kind of errors can stop a WPS right now? |
| 13:57:29 | bluebrother | why not add line / column output for sim builds only? Maybe only as DEBUGF output? |
| 13:57:45 | Llorean | I mean, are there errors besides unclosed conditionals/tags? |
| 13:58:56 | fm2 | Llorean: wrong format for image loading tag? |
| 13:59:23 | Nico_P | Llorean: conditional chars when there is no open conditional |
| 13:59:27 | amiconn | JdGordon: 'follow playlist' is broken anyway |
| 13:59:32 | Nico_P | i.e. | or > |
| 13:59:43 | JdGordon | amiconn: it is? |
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| 14:00:52 | pixelma | Llorean: yes for example if you try to use the backdrop tag on mono screens (that's what I did once with the old system and it wasn't funny...) |
| 14:01:37 | Llorean | Nico_P, amiconn: Maybe just have it splash depending on type of errror: "Unclosed Conditional" "Out of place > or |" and "Incompatible tag: %X" or something? |
| 14:01:40 | amiconn | JdGordon: If follow playlist is enabled, exiting from wps (regardless of whether it's by stopping playback, end of playlist or calling the browser explicitly) should _always_ bring you to the currently playing track. Instead, you end up where you last left off browsing |
| 14:02:10 | Llorean | amiconn: End of playlist means there is no currently playing track. |
| 14:02:30 | amiconn | Llorean: Then it should be (and usually was) the last playing track |
| 14:02:57 | Llorean | amiconn: I do agree. |
| 14:03:16 | Llorean | Except for one thing: I don't like the idea that entering the file browser from the menu should follow playlist. |
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| 14:03:47 | Llorean | If you go directly from WPS->Filetree in any way, I think it should follow the playlist, but Menu->Filetree should go to where you last saw in the filetree. |
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| 14:04:05 | Llorean | Otherwise you could be in the filetree, hit menu, the track changes, go back to the filetree without ever seeing the WPS, and be in a completely different location. |
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| 14:04:15 | amiconn | That's the purpose of 'follow playlist'. That's why it's an optio |
| 14:04:17 | amiconn | n |
| 14:04:38 | amiconn | Llorean: Nope, only the wps would do that |
| 14:04:46 | Llorean | amiconn: Only the WPS would do what? |
| 14:05:01 | amiconn | The wps would set te currently playing track as the filetree location |
| 14:05:06 | Llorean | Ah |
| 14:05:11 | Llorean | So it would only happen if you saw the WPS in between? |
| 14:05:38 | amiconn | And if you're in the menus somewhere , wps isn't running so it can't change the filetree location |
| 14:05:41 | amiconn | yup |
| 14:05:43 | Llorean | Okay, that's fine then |
| 14:05:58 | Llorean | I thought when you said "Browser is explicitly called" that you wanted a check on calling the browser. |
| 14:06:09 | Llorean | I have no complaints, then. :) |
| 14:06:36 | amiconn | I started with ..exiting from wps.. (regardless of the way) |
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| 14:07:03 | Llorean | amiconn: Somehow I missed that. I apologize. |
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| 14:11:17 | Llorean | barrywardell: Reds |
| 14:12:21 | pixelma | bluebrother: do you have an idea why latex complains about "! LaTeX Error: File `scrreprt.cls' not found." while it is there (also worked before) and how to fix this? |
| 14:12:43 | Llorean | Aaaand, it seems kermit is trying to make m68k builds when it can't. |
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| 14:13:43 | bluebrother | pixelma, that file is part of Koma-Script −− did you change anything at your latex setup? |
| 14:14:16 | pixelma | bluebrother: it's not mine and afaik nothing was changed there |
| 14:14:22 | bluebrother | running texhash might help. Not exactly sure though |
| 14:14:45 | bluebrother | hmm, then maybe Koma-Script isn't installed? |
| 14:15:09 | bluebrother | in my install it's located in /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/koma-script/scrreprt.cls |
| 14:15:18 | pixelma | the file is there... and the setup worked before |
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| 14:15:29 | bluebrother | hmm. That is quite strange. |
| 14:16:24 | bluebrother | have you tried building a small test document? |
| 14:18:20 | pixelma | I only have tex-files from the rockbox menu |
| 14:18:27 | pixelma | err.... manual |
| 14:19:05 | bluebrother | try this one: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/test.tex |
| 14:19:27 | bluebrother | and run "pdflatex test.tex". Should give you a test.pdf with only the words "hello world" |
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| 14:19:55 | amiconn | The file is in /usr/share/texmf-tetex/tex/latex/koma-script/scrreprt.cls here |
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| 14:21:56 | bluebrother | you might also want to check for the environment variable TEXINPUTS |
| 14:22:12 | bluebrother | which should be unset usually |
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| 14:22:16 | amiconn | Bah. Seems line 621 is hitting on hwcodec |
| 14:23:25 | austriancoder | dan_a: I have a little question for you. I thought about to make use of an isr in sansas adc code, But I dont know if what i need to do configure it. I want to get the isr called, when i2c traffic is done |
| 14:23:27 | pixelma | bluebrother: the test.tex gives the same result |
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| 14:24:24 | barrywardell | austriancoder: the code you're looking for is in the firmware/target/arm/system-pp502x.c file |
| 14:24:29 | bluebrother | you can workaround it if you replace the scrreprt in the documentclass line in preamble.tex by report |
| 14:24:38 | barrywardell | you need to change irq() |
| 14:24:38 | bluebrother | but that is not a fix ;-) |
| 14:24:45 | JdGordon | barrywardell: apart from the user interface part... ive got configurable light handling working.. do you want to look at the patch? or can I just commit once the ui part is done? |
| 14:24:50 | pixelma | if I skip the first error messages it complains about even more "files not font" |
| 14:24:51 | bluebrother | as it will affect the whole document style |
| 14:25:00 | pixelma | *found oviously |
| 14:25:07 | austriancoder | barrywardell: ahh okay.. will look at it |
| 14:25:21 | pixelma | grr.... obviously obviously ;) |
| 14:25:23 | bluebrother | if you build the test file with documentclass report, does that work? |
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| 14:26:57 | pixelma | sorry... that's beyond me |
| 14:27:12 | barrywardell | JdGordon: i'd say just go ahead and commit it |
| 14:27:56 | pixelma | bluebrother: how would I do this? (stoopid newbie questions...) |
| 14:29:03 | barrywardell | hmmm. That M5 boot error wasn't me. No m68k-elf-gcc. Bagder? |
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| 14:30:10 | bluebrother | try this one: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/test-report.tex |
| 14:31:15 | pixelma | thanks for the help :) |
| 14:32:38 | JdGordon | how do i add a string for only the sansa in english.lang? |
| 14:34:01 | pixelma | bluebrother: now it says "report.cls not found" ... :/ |
| 14:35:07 | bluebrother | Then your latex setup is messed up pretty much :( |
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| 14:36:05 | pixelma | ...and it was the only setup that allowed me building the html-manual so far... :( |
| 14:36:44 | bluebrother | what does "echo $TEXINPUTS" tell? |
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| 14:39:59 | pixelma | it just gives an empty line |
| 14:40:10 | bluebrother | hmm. That should be fine. |
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| 14:40:50 | bluebrother | try running "texhash" |
| 14:44:06 | pixelma | nothing's changed :/ |
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| 14:45:58 | barrywardell | does anybody know what needs to be done to fix the warning for H10/4G? |
| 14:46:53 | bluebrother | did you run it as root or as user? |
| 14:47:05 | austriancoder | barrywardell: okay.. so after a fast look at the interrupt stuff... if i do it in system-xxxx i can only react on interrupts by the arm cpu, but i want a way to look at an interrupt generated by the as3514. |
| 14:47:06 | bluebrother | running as user will most likely not change anything |
| 14:47:21 | * | bluebrother is afk for a couple of minutes |
| 14:48:00 | JdGordon | who knows the lang files? how would i add a new string for only the sansa? |
| 14:48:12 | JdGordon | do I use NONE for the <dest> for *: ? |
| 14:48:47 | ColdSphinX^ | <phrase> |
| 14:48:47 | ColdSphinX^ | id: LANG_CONFIRM_WITH_PLAY_RECORDER |
| 14:48:47 | ColdSphinX^ | desc: Generic recorder string to use to confirm |
| 14:48:47 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK ColdSphinX^ |
| 14:48:47 | ColdSphinX^ | user: |
| 14:48:47 | ColdSphinX^ | <source> |
| 14:48:48 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 14:48:48 | ColdSphinX^ | *: "PLAY = Yes" |
| 14:48:50 | ColdSphinX^ | h100,h120,h300: "NAVI = Yes" |
| 14:48:52 | ColdSphinX^ | ipod*: "SELECT = Yes" |
| 14:48:54 | ColdSphinX^ | x5: "SELECT = Yes" |
| 14:48:56 | ColdSphinX^ | h10: "NEXT = Yes" |
| 14:48:58 | ColdSphinX^ | gigabeat: "SELECT = Yes" |
| 14:49:00 | ColdSphinX^ | e200: "SELECT = Yes" |
| 14:49:02 | ColdSphinX^ | </source> |
| 14:49:04 | ColdSphinX^ | <dest> |
| 14:49:06 | ColdSphinX^ | *: "PLAY = Yes" |
| 14:49:07 | Llorean | ColdSphinX^: Please follow channel guidelines. |
| 14:49:08 | ColdSphinX^ | h100,h120,h300: "NAVI = Yes" |
| 14:49:10 | ColdSphinX^ | ipod*: "SELECT = Yes" |
| 14:49:12 | ColdSphinX^ | x5: "SELECT = Yes" |
| 14:49:14 | ColdSphinX^ | h10: "NEXT = Yes" |
| 14:49:16 | ColdSphinX^ | gigabeat: "SELECT = Yes" |
| 14:49:18 | JdGordon | ColdSphinX^: yes I know... but im asking about none? |
| 14:49:18 | ColdSphinX^ | e200: "SELECT = Yes" |
| 14:49:20 | ColdSphinX^ | </dest> |
| 14:49:22 | ColdSphinX^ | <voice> |
| 14:49:24 | ColdSphinX^ | *: "" |
| 14:49:26 | ColdSphinX^ | </voice> |
| 14:49:28 | ColdSphinX^ | </phrase> |
| 14:49:30 | ColdSphinX^ | that's the way |
| 14:49:34 | pixelma | bluebrother: it was run as root... thanks for taking your time |
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| 14:49:47 | ColdSphinX^ | moment |
| 14:49:51 | Llorean | ColdSphinX^: The guidelines clearly state that you shouldn't paste multi-line pastes into the channle |
| 14:50:50 | barrywardell | austriancoder: that is the only way we have of dealing with interrupts. if it doesn't interrupt the cpu then how does the cpu know the interrupt has happened? |
| 14:51:20 | dawn | in rockbox, it's possible to configure battery capacity in the settings |
| 14:51:31 | austriancoder | barrywardell: ineeded.. i will see if the i2c interrupt does work |
| 14:51:36 | dawn | my value is currently 950mAh (default). what would be the right value for an iaudio x5? |
| 14:51:43 | ColdSphinX^ | JdGordon see msg |
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| 14:52:48 | ColdSphinX^ | dawn my x5 has a 950mAh battery |
| 14:53:10 | barrywardell | austriancoder: yes. you should probably check for an I2C interrupt in irq(), then if it is I2C run a function to check if it was the as3514's ADC |
| 14:53:12 | dawn | ah, ok |
| 14:53:26 | dawn | ColdSphinX^: what's your experience about the battery lifetime? |
| 14:53:49 | tymm | hi, i reseted my ipod (with rockbox on it) and now i cant see my mp3s anymore, whats wrong? |
| 14:54:54 | JdGordon | barrywardell: got a better place to put the wheel light setting than under display? |
| 14:55:09 | ColdSphinX^ | hmm it's in the third year so i think of looking for an replacement becaue the lifetime decreases |
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| 14:56:01 | dawn | ColdSphinX^: well, with lifetime I rather meant playing time ... |
| 14:56:06 | ColdSphinX^ | tymm is the database initialised or are you using filewiev? |
| 14:56:42 | barrywardell | JdGordon: Either display or system. Might be good to keep it with the other backlight settings, I'm not sure |
| 14:56:52 | tymm | ColdSphinX^: im using fileview, how can i initialise the database? |
| 14:57:00 | ColdSphinX^ | dawn: currently about 5h it's a old battery as i said |
| 14:57:09 | JdGordon | Llorean: what do you think? |
| 14:57:14 | dawn | ColdSphinX^: ah, ok, that sounds quite nice |
| 14:57:31 | Llorean | JdGordon: "System", the one under General Settings |
| 14:57:38 | Llorean | JdGordon: Where the RTC option is. |
| 14:58:07 | JdGordon | its a bit hidden there isnt it? |
| 14:58:23 | Llorean | Well it's definitely not a display setting |
| 14:58:34 | Llorean | At least, does it have anything to do with the screen? |
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| 14:58:57 | Llorean | It's kinda "misc hardware" |
| 14:59:02 | JdGordon | true |
| 14:59:57 | Llorean | It seems right to me at least, until a menu reorganize happens, which I keep being too sidetracked to get around to working on a suggestion for |
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| 15:00:16 | JdGordon | :) |
| 15:00:26 | JdGordon | at least now, if that ever happens, it wont be so hard to do |
| 15:01:05 | Llorean | Indeed |
| 15:01:23 | ColdSphinX^ | tymm if you use filewiev you don't need to initialise the database, but its in "settings -> general settings -> database -> initialize now" |
| 15:01:40 | ColdSphinX^ | arg he leaved |
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| 15:05:45 | austriancoder | barrywardell: how can i check if as3514's ADC is the source of the i2c interupt? |
| 15:06:56 | bluebrother | pixelma: sorry, no ideas left to try :( |
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| 15:10:52 | amiconn | JdGordon: I found the reason why the wps context menu misbehaves on Ondio: The menu wrapper doesn't obey the callback given on menu_init() |
| 15:11:11 | pixelma | pitty... :( but I really apreciate your help |
| 15:11:21 | JdGordon | amiconn: ok, easy fix? |
| 15:13:23 | amiconn | I have no idea how to fix it :( |
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| 15:15:09 | midkay | JdGordon: do you really think it's necessary to have a setting for the sansa wheel light timeout? seems like it'd be plenty appropriate to just have it correspond to the backlight timeout. |
| 15:15:40 | Llorean | midkay: Some of us would like it shorter (or never) |
| 15:16:15 | Llorean | But it can also serve as a disk access LED I imagine. |
| 15:16:24 | midkay | Llorean: hmm.. i see.. |
| 15:16:28 | JdGordon | midkay: well, linus changed the request to critical.. and i was bored and it was easy to do :p |
| 15:16:52 | midkay | JdGordon: btw, not sure if you noticed the build table.. or if it's related to your commit.. |
| 15:16:54 | midkay | :) |
| 15:16:54 | Llorean | JdGordon: I'm pretty sure the request became critical because he forgot to not make it critical after changing the other thing |
| 15:16:59 | Llorean | ;) |
| 15:17:01 | midkay | yes, i guess you did. :) |
| 15:17:10 | JdGordon | Llorean: ah, haha :) |
| 15:17:14 | Llorean | But I think being able to configure it separately would be nice. |
| 15:17:21 | JdGordon | midkay: yeah, I did, was making sure it all worked before commitnig |
| 15:17:22 | Llorean | Kinda like the Gigabeat button LEDs. |
| 15:17:29 | Llorean | If those would just work without blitzing the screen. |
| 15:17:46 | JdGordon | hopefully the gb buttons should be able to use mostly the same backlight code... |
| 15:18:14 | Llorean | They have two brightness levels it seems (or at least two) |
| 15:18:34 | Llorean | But their current option has "dim" as being just one setting, rather than having the option "Bright/Dim" and then a separate option for when they turn on. |
| 15:19:15 | bluebrother | hmm. Flyspray shouldn't use "critical" as default when editing tasks that have no priority set |
| 15:19:19 | JdGordon | I had a quick look at the backlight code for the gigabeat and almost cried... its scary :p |
| 15:20:04 | Llorean | bluebrother: Agreed |
| 15:20:28 | bluebrother | JdGordon: *you* getting scared? ;-) |
| 15:20:41 | amiconn | JdGordon: menu_init() can specify a callback, which is used in onplay.c line 1052 for the context menu. menu.c: menu_init() properly stores this in the menu structure, but I can't find from where this is or should be called from menu_show() (which in turn calls do_menu()) |
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| 15:20:46 | * | JdGordon is only human.... well.. mostly human anyway |
| 15:21:03 | * | bluebrother was already wondering about that :P |
| 15:21:54 | JdGordon | menu_init() for the old api your talking about? |
| 15:22:00 | amiconn | This callback can be (and in case of onplay, is) used to mangle actions, which just doesn't happen here, being the reason for the misbehaviour |
| 15:22:16 | amiconn | Yes, as onplay is still using the old api |
| 15:22:59 | JdGordon | ah, ok... I'll see where that should go |
| 15:23:30 | JdGordon | its called in oldmenuwrapper_callback |
| 15:24:08 | amiconn | Is it? But from where is this wrapper called? |
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| 15:24:31 | * | amiconn thinks it might be helpful to convert all menus to the new system and get rid of the wrapper stuff |
| 15:24:49 | JdGordon | not so easy.. all the plugins use the old api |
| 15:25:05 | amiconn | and...? |
| 15:25:23 | JdGordon | and we decided the new api doesnt do dynamic menus as well as the old one.. unfortunatly :( but yeah, these dont really stop us... |
| 15:25:29 | amiconn | The wrapper could be put in the plugin lib temporarily... |
| 15:25:36 | amiconn | It doesn't? |
| 15:25:37 | JdGordon | true |
| 15:26:06 | JdGordon | I've tried converting onplay.c twice and gave up both times... cant quite get it as nice as it is |
| 15:27:03 | JdGordon | but anyway... oldmenuwrapper_callback is called every time a button is pressed in do_menu |
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| 15:32:11 | amiconn | Odd... why doesn't it work then? |
| 15:33:50 | JdGordon | the callback is definatly being called... |
| 15:33:55 | JdGordon | just checked in the sim |
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| 15:45:12 | amiconn | JdGordon: Do you know whether this callback is used elsewhere? |
| 15:45:30 | amiconn | If not, a fix is rather simple, and would even save a little bit of code... |
| 15:46:50 | amiconn | Hmm, greping for menu_init should tell me... |
| 15:49:14 | JdGordon | I dont think it is.... but we shouldnt go breaking the api for plugins.... |
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| 15:50:01 | amiconn | It won't break, it's just the extra replacement in oldmenuwrapper_callback that could go. The actual callback then needs to return the correct action |
| 15:50:10 | amiconn | I am checking plugins as well of course |
| 15:53:48 | JdGordon | what would the fix be if we can remove this callback? |
| 15:54:15 | amiconn | Not remove the callback... but simplify its behaviour, and adapt the actual callback in onplay.c a bit |
| 15:55:17 | JdGordon | I dont fully get the problem? pressing menu inside the onplay menu doesnt go to where it should? (which is where?) |
| 15:55:44 | amiconn | The callback is called... but the new menucode doesn't react properly |
| 15:56:02 | amiconn | It doesn't help if exit_to_main is set but the menu itself doesn't exit |
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| 15:56:42 | JdGordon | returning MENU_SELECTED_EXIT doesnt work? |
| 15:57:14 | JdGordon | GO_TO_PREVIOUS actually... |
| 15:57:40 | JdGordon | no, umm... ignore that |
| 15:58:03 | webguest63 | hey |
| 15:58:09 | webguest63 | hey |
| 15:58:13 | amiconn | The switch() in menu.c: oldmenuwrapper_callback can be removed entirely |
| 15:58:44 | webguest63 | anybody |
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| 15:58:49 | amiconn | onplay.c: onplay_callback() then needs to return ACTION_EXIT_MENUITEM in case we want to exit, _and_ set exit_to_main |
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| 16:00:50 | JdGordon | amiconn: we could do that... but then your mergning the 2 api's which isnt such a good idea... but if nothing else uses the callback then I guess its ok |
| 16:01:04 | amiconn | Yes, nothing else uses the callback |
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| 16:01:52 | amiconn | But it doesn't work... |
| 16:02:32 | JdGordon | is this only a ondio problem? or all targets? |
| 16:03:57 | JdGordon | hmm... seems its all targets... very odd behavour on the sansa |
| 16:04:17 | amiconn | It's only a *real* problem on Ondio because there is no alternative to enter the main menu from wps, but the (wrong) behaviour exists on all targets |
| 16:04:19 | JdGordon | pressing menu seems to accept the item! |
| 16:04:24 | amiconn | yes |
| 16:04:37 | amiconn | And with my change it doesn't do that but doesn't exit either |
| 16:06:00 | amiconn | I could make it return ACTION_STD_CANCEL instead... |
| 16:07:34 | JdGordon | seems to work |
| 16:07:37 | amiconn | That works :) |
| 16:07:38 | JdGordon | not the nicest solution though |
| 16:09:30 | JdGordon | bah, go for it... better than it being completly broken |
| 16:11:33 | JdGordon | if ((menu->flags&MENU_TYPE_MASK) == MT_OLD_MENU) is failing... |
| 16:13:15 | JdGordon | hmm... no its not! |
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| 16:13:49 | elinenbe | hello. |
| 16:14:53 | JdGordon | amiconn: I tihnk I found the bug :p |
| 16:15:09 | JdGordon | menu.c:757 seems to be the wrong way around |
| 16:15:15 | elinenbe | Do the button LCDs work on the gigabeat? I am running the latest code, but don't see a setting anywere. |
| 16:15:36 | JdGordon | elinenbe: in the debug menu apparently |
| 16:15:51 | JdGordon | amiconn: yeah, should be >= 0 not < 0 |
| 16:15:54 | Llorean | elinenbe: They work, but not always consistently |
| 16:16:13 | Llorean | Sometimes when you turn them on, the LCD backlight will go off, until you shutdown and restart. |
| 16:19:39 | JdGordon | amiconn: you've run off? |
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| 16:25:14 | JdGordon | amiconn: ok, well that was a real bug, so I commited the fix.. it should fix your ondio bug also.... |
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| 16:50:36 | yuriks | Hey, any way to get more blingbling menu's in the nano version? |
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| 16:54:45 | yuriks | and the menu icons are always black (don't change with the fg color), is that normal behaviour? or a bug? |
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| 16:59:58 | elinenbe | thanks guys. |
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| 17:16:47 | Nico_P | amiconn: any idea how I can prevent the rockbox sscanf from getting used when it's not supposed to in the sim ? |
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| 18:47:16 | NET||abuse | hi guys,, i tried to update my database there and now it keeps rebooting.. can i wipe a db file to get it to re-initialize the databse? |
| 18:47:24 | NET||abuse | or some other fix? |
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| 18:49:59 | datachild | does rockbox support avi playback? |
| 18:50:05 | dionoea | no |
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| 18:50:12 | datachild | .mp4 then? |
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| 18:50:21 | dionoea | (and avi would be too vague anyway, since that's just a container, not a codec) |
| 18:50:28 | dionoea | datachild: see the wiki mpegplayer page |
| 18:50:43 | datachild | url? |
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| 18:53:06 | dionoea | datachild: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
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| 18:54:39 | NET||abuse | hmm, what wps's can i use on the mini? just had to do a scandisk of my ipod, was borked |
| 18:54:39 | NET||abuse | :( |
| 18:56:07 | datachild | so you can play .mpeg but not .avi? |
| 18:56:26 | dionoea | you can play mpeg2 video with mp3 audio in mpeg ps yes |
| 18:56:31 | dionoea | you can't play anything else |
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| 18:56:44 | dionoea | If you have a video ipod, you should use the apple firmware for video playback |
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| 18:57:26 | dionoea | (rockbox doesn't know how to use the video decoding chip on video ipods yet ... so it's using the normal cpu to decode it) |
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| 19:01:03 | NET||abuse | dionoea: really? when will "vpu" support be added? is there an agenda for it? |
| 19:01:17 | dionoea | it won't be added |
| 19:01:23 | dionoea | because no one know how it works |
| 19:01:29 | NET||abuse | oh? propriatary :) |
| 19:01:36 | dionoea | (well i'm not part of the core developers but that's what i understood) |
| 19:01:38 | dionoea | NET||abuse: yes |
| 19:01:40 | NET||abuse | would be nice if apple would open up a bit ;) |
| 19:01:50 | dionoea | It's not apple, it's broadcom or something like that |
| 19:01:56 | NET||abuse | really.. hmm |
| 19:02:04 | NET||abuse | well, it's not like you can't backward engineer such things :) |
| 19:02:15 | NET||abuse | they did it with bcm wifi :) |
| 19:02:34 | dionoea | it's not like it's easy either |
| 19:02:55 | NET||abuse | heheh, that's also true |
| 19:03:13 | NET||abuse | right, is there a way to fastforward using the scroll wheel rather than holding down ffw |
| 19:03:15 | bluebrother | the chip is made by broadcom |
| 19:03:39 | bluebrother | from what is understood up to now the chip is programmed with some firmware that is saved in the flash memory of the ipod |
| 19:04:21 | NET||abuse | couldn't they port that firmware (perhaps unofficial addon package ;) ) |
| 19:04:23 | bluebrother | so one needs to figure out how to program the chip and how to interact with the PP cpu |
| 19:04:51 | bluebrother | feel free to work on it yourself ;-) |
| 19:04:51 | NET||abuse | well, pipe dream for now perhaps ;) though summer of code... the wma support is being added, so anythings possible. |
| 19:05:11 | bluebrother | but I don't think there is any interest in Rockbox itself. Maybe the guys at ipl have more interest |
| 19:05:13 | bluebrother | but I doubt it. |
| 19:11:45 | NET||abuse | right, gotta run for dinner |
| 19:11:47 | NET||abuse | later |
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| 19:32:12 | rockclimber | Hi |
| 19:33:13 | bluebrother | hi |
| 19:34:33 | rockclimber | I don't know if i'm right but am i true that rockbox for ipod does not support the photo connector? |
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| 19:35:35 | bluebrother | it doesn't support any of the accessories yet. |
| 19:35:47 | bluebrother | you can use the dock connector for line out |
| 19:36:20 | bluebrother | but if you refer to some camera by "photo connector", you need to use the apple firmware for that. |
| 19:36:48 | rockclimber | kk but i can start the original firmware by activate hold when the ipod boots |
| 19:36:55 | bluebrother | yes |
| 19:37:14 | bluebrother | you can also quite easily uninstall Rockbox if you find to not like it |
| 19:37:22 | bluebrother | it's not a one way trip |
| 19:37:40 | rockclimber | yeah i allready installed it |
| 19:38:07 | bluebrother | I hope you liked it ;-) |
| 19:38:16 | rockclimber | i switched many times between ipodlinux and rockbox |
| 19:39:33 | bluebrother | guess I don't need to mention it then ;-) |
| 19:40:36 | rockclimber | I tried to use both but the linux boot loader worked not very well together with rockbox |
| 19:40:56 | bluebrother | you can use the Rockbox bootloader for loading IPL |
| 19:41:05 | bluebrother | works fine, at least for me. |
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| 19:41:41 | rockclimber | Kk I will try it out |
| 19:42:06 | bluebrother | it's mostly undocumented though |
| 19:42:27 | bluebrother | if you press "play" upon boot the RB bootloader will load a linux kernel named "linux.bin" from the root of the disk |
| 19:42:55 | rockclimber | well, but i found a very good IRC ^^ |
| 19:43:31 | rockclimber | kk |
| 19:43:54 | rockclimber | nearly the same like ipl BL |
| 19:44:25 | * | bluebrother doesn't know the ipl loader |
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| 20:16:27 | Camjpn | hey can someone help me with something? |
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| 20:19:42 | linuxstb_ | Camjpn: Just ask. |
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| 20:21:27 | Camjpn | ok, |
| 20:21:45 | Camjpn | well i have a Gigabeat, and the Artist info, Album info is all messed up |
| 20:21:56 | Camjpn | it has like for example 20391-390-1293123Album One |
| 20:22:10 | Camjpn | it will have a lot of numbers, and letters then the proper artist or album. |
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| 20:22:29 | linuxstb | What format is your music? Does this happen on every album, and with every theme? |
| 20:23:10 | Camjpn | yes |
| 20:23:15 | Camjpn | it is MP3, and WMA |
| 20:23:43 | linuxstb | Rockbox doesn't play WMA... |
| 20:24:26 | Camjpn | ok well, its MP3? |
| 20:24:34 | Camjpn | this is with all my music, and alot of it is both |
| 20:26:41 | linuxstb | Have you looked at the files themselves (e.g. in a PC music player) to see what are actually contained in the tags? |
| 20:26:50 | Camjpn | yea im looking at that now |
| 20:27:05 | Camjpn | well, nvm, all of it is MP3 |
| 20:29:20 | Camjpn | so what would u suggest ? |
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| 20:32:58 | linuxstb | Camjpn: To look at the tags in a tag editor on your PC and fix them if needed. |
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| 20:50:54 | LordBrain | What's the best portable media player to use with rockbox? |
| 20:52:09 | Llorean | I don't think Rockbox runs on anything that would fix the "PMP" category, Rockbox is primarily target at audio players. |
| 20:52:14 | Llorean | fit, rather. |
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| 20:52:37 | Llorean | As well, "best" is a rather subjective viewpoint. It depends on what hardware features you value over others |
| 20:52:49 | bluebrother | h100 and x5 are great targets as it runs quite nicely |
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| 20:53:08 | bluebrother | if you want more codecs than the archos devices support ;-) |
| 20:53:35 | Llorean | h100 series is best for recording, the X5 is a good middle ground as it still offers decent recording, and has a color screen for that 'shiny' appeal, and the Gigabeat F/X series lay the other way with no recording features, but a nice crisp color screen and good video functionality. |
| 20:53:47 | LordBrain | oh i didnt know there was a difference |
| 20:53:59 | LordBrain | i mean a portable audio |
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| 20:54:30 | bluebrother | LordBrain, why don't you start with telling what you want? ;-) |
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| 20:54:51 | LordBrain | well, most of my music is in vorbis format |
| 20:55:08 | LordBrain | basicly, i'd like something that is portable that can play that |
| 20:55:24 | Llorean | Well, that's basically anything that is not an Archos, that Rockbox supports |
| 20:55:55 | bluebrother | you just should be aware that the PortalPlayer devices (Ipod, Iriver H10) have worse battery life with Rockbox |
| 20:55:58 | Llorean | Though I'd strongly suggest against the iPods, the Sansa e200, or the iRiver H10 as they run on a processor we don't have good support for yet |
| 20:56:07 | bluebrother | and I find my h120 much more reliable and stable than the Ipod |
| 20:56:26 | Llorean | Poor battery life, and some slowness in the menus, and possibly even skipping in the music if you try to use an equalizer. |
| 20:57:21 | bluebrother | also, if you have a greyscale display you can read it without backlight which isn't true for color displays |
| 20:57:36 | bluebrother | ... which is caused by the technology. |
| 20:57:56 | LordBrain | hmm h120 sounds good so far |
| 20:58:10 | bluebrother | the only problem is that the h100 series isn't produced anymore. |
| 20:58:29 | Llorean | Making them somewhat harder to find, though they're a prize if you can get one. |
| 20:58:31 | bluebrother | and IMO the sound quality it great, especially compared with the Ipod |
| 20:58:32 | LordBrain | i've never had one of these, i wasnt even thinking of battery life |
| 20:59:04 | bluebrother | I get about 17h with my h120, and below 8h with the Ipod mini |
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| 20:59:12 | LordBrain | which company makes h120? |
| 20:59:17 | bluebrother | Iriver. |
| 20:59:37 | bluebrother | the h100 series is missing a clock, but there's a mod to add one ;-) |
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| 21:00:33 | LordBrain | what's a decent price for one? |
| 21:01:39 | bluebrother | don't know −− bought mine when they were still in production. Something about 350EUR back that time in germany |
| 21:01:54 | bluebrother | which was about 2 1/2 years ago |
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| 21:04:07 | Landon | Hey |
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| 21:04:42 | Landon | Anyone here? |
| 21:05:12 | bluebrother | no :P |
| 21:05:22 | bluebrother | I see 142 people around ... |
| 21:05:38 | Landon | Haha. |
| 21:05:47 | bluebrother | LordBrain, we have a wiki page somewhere that compares a couple of players that are still in production |
| 21:05:53 | Landon | I have a question about the rockbox for sansa.. |
| 21:05:55 | bluebrother | can't remember the page name atm |
| 21:06:19 | bluebrother | Landon, it's usually a better idea to just ask. If someone knows the answer you most likely will get an answer |
| 21:06:43 | Landon | Yeah... |
| 21:07:01 | bluebrother | LordBrain, found it: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide |
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| 21:07:33 | Landon | So.. What can the normal sansa firmware do that the rockbox can't. Like I love the video playback, but I want a alternative firmware, and that dual boot thing that the guy made supposibly freezes it.. |
| 21:08:12 | Llorean | The official loader dual boots just fine... |
| 21:08:21 | Llorean | And Rockbox has better or equal video playback. |
| 21:08:44 | Landon | So rockbox is all around AWESOMER? |
| 21:09:16 | bluebrother | that's a matter of perspective :) |
| 21:09:45 | Landon | And Im looking at some video's on Youtube, and they all have terrible skins, are the skins good? |
| 21:09:55 | | Quit pabs ("back in a couple hours: spring rack cleaning") |
| 21:10:23 | Llorean | The skins are whatever you want them to be, mostly. |
| 21:10:34 | Landon | So you can make it look pretty? |
| 21:10:49 | Llorean | Yes |
| 21:10:56 | bluebrother | there are a lot of pretty themes around |
| 21:11:05 | Llorean | But so far Rockbox does not support on the Sansa: FM Radio, Recording, MicroSD slot, and WMA |
| 21:11:07 | Landon | Alright, And if I do brick it, I can easily fix it? |
| 21:11:13 | bluebrother | http://rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=176x220x16 |
| 21:11:16 | Llorean | If you do brick it, you didn't follow the instructions right |
| 21:11:31 | Llorean | Depending on how crazy of a thing you decide to do wrong, the ease of repair can vary a lot. |
| 21:11:36 | Landon | But if I do, can I fix it? |
| 21:11:58 | Llorean | You can repair almost anything you can do during a normal Rockbox install |
| 21:12:06 | Landon | Alrighty. |
| 21:12:22 | Llorean | You have to mess up the first repair process, and then mess up the repair process to repair the messed up from the repair device before you start getting into risking a permanent brick. |
| 21:13:05 | Landon | And... I can dual boot so, if I want to listen to the radio, I can use the normal firmware? |
| 21:13:20 | bluebrother | you need to dual boot for usb to work |
| 21:13:31 | bluebrother | as Rockbox hasn't it's own usb implementation yet |
| 21:13:51 | bluebrother | which will hopefully change during the summer ... |
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| 21:15:04 | Landon | Alright, so I can like hold << to boot into rockbox? |
| 21:15:33 | bluebrother | something like this. I don't know the key, but it should be in the manual |
| 21:15:52 | Llorean | It's << I believe. |
| 21:15:52 | Landon | Anything else bad about Rockbox? |
| 21:15:56 | bluebrother | maybe you just want to have a look into it first. It's quite good. |
| 21:16:44 | Landon | I shall, when I get home, Im on the road, and im excited! |
| 21:18:02 | bluebrother | btw, Llorean: how's the shop running? |
| 21:18:17 | Landon | Can I keep my music in the sansa firmware place, and listen to it in Rockbox? |
| 21:18:48 | Llorean | bluebrother: Pretty much as expected. Having merchandise is cool, but people don't actually want to buy it. :) All is well. |
| 21:18:59 | bluebrother | hehe. Nice. |
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| 21:19:49 | Landon | Can I keep my music in the sansa firmware place? |
| 21:19:59 | Llorean | As long as it's MP3 format. |
| 21:20:07 | Llorean | Rockbox doesn't play WMA |
| 21:20:26 | Landon | Alright! |
| 21:20:43 | Landon | Rockbox doesnt have a Nes emu? |
| 21:20:55 | bluebrother | no |
| 21:21:45 | Landon | Alright. |
| 21:22:19 | Landon | How big is the firmware? |
| 21:23:32 | Llorean | Less than 5mb |
| 21:23:47 | Landon | Sweet. |
| 21:23:59 | bluebrother | h120 download archive is less than 2MiB, plus a similar amount for the fonts |
| 21:24:41 | bluebrother | depending on what additional data you want to install (themes etc.) this increases of course |
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| 21:25:15 | Landon | Well, I want Rockbox for its apps and stuff. But I think im going to keep the original firmware for listening to music. |
| 21:25:34 | Landon | Does the video playback have a easy way to fastforward? |
| 21:26:15 | bluebrother | it doesn't have ffwd at all |
| 21:26:20 | bluebrother | at least not yet |
| 21:26:21 | Landon | Oh.. |
| 21:26:25 | Landon | Alright. |
| 21:26:30 | Landon | Cool. |
| 21:26:39 | bluebrother | I believe you want Rockbox for music, not the other way round ;-) |
| 21:26:45 | Landon | Why? |
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| 21:27:11 | Landon | What cool features does it have? |
| 21:27:15 | bluebrother | because of nice features like ReplayGain, parametric equalizer, gapless playback, on the fly playlists |
| 21:27:29 | bluebrother | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox |
| 21:27:29 | Landon | id3 playlists? |
| 21:27:46 | bluebrother | no, on the fly. |
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| 21:27:58 | bluebrother | and a builtin database |
| 21:28:04 | Landon | The normal sansa has that. |
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| 21:28:34 | bluebrother | I don't know the sansa. But you can use the database to create a playlist by browsing by id3 tags. |
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| 21:28:44 | Landon | Cool. |
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| 21:28:58 | Slasheri | rockboxes database (engine) is very advanced, you can create custom db queries and so on |
| 21:28:58 | Landon | What language is Rockbock built in? |
| 21:28:59 | bluebrother | I don't know how a "id3 playlist" should work anyway |
| 21:29:13 | bluebrother | C, with some parts in asm |
| 21:29:19 | Landon | Oh, damn. |
| 21:29:33 | bluebrother | as that id3 playlist needs to find the files on disk in some way. |
| 21:29:49 | bluebrother | but if you consider a custom database query a id3 playlist, yes, you can do that |
| 21:30:23 | Landon | I was thinking about writing a plugin that uses the microphone to amplify the surrounding sounds when you hold play and rec or something so you dont have to take off your headphones. |
| 21:30:56 | bluebrother | you might want to search the tracker for a similar task |
| 21:31:10 | bleech | that sounds useful |
| 21:31:20 | bleech | because i have isolating earphones |
| 21:31:24 | Landon | Becuase I have isolating headphones. |
| 21:31:30 | Landon | Yeah :P. |
| 21:31:32 | bluebrother | I think that has been requested already |
| 21:31:33 | bleech | :o |
| 21:31:36 | Slasheri | hmm, that sounds like a great idea |
| 21:31:40 | bleech | Landon: what kind do you have? |
| 21:31:54 | bluebrother | but as a plugin ... I don't think that would integrate nicely. |
| 21:31:55 | Slasheri | i have isolating hp too and can't use them at work because of that |
| 21:32:02 | Landon | Panasonics. |
| 21:32:06 | Landon | You? |
| 21:32:07 | bluebrother | as you always need to start the plugin first. |
| 21:32:16 | bleech | i have sensaphonics |
| 21:32:18 | bleech | custom-molded |
| 21:32:43 | Landon | Help me find the tracker thinger. |
| 21:32:46 | bleech | prophonic 2x-s |
| 21:32:57 | bluebrother | how good are isolating headphones in terms of noice cancellation? |
| 21:33:25 | Landon | If you have music on, you cannot hear anything, even with 5$ ones. |
| 21:33:34 | bleech | really good |
| 21:33:44 | Landon | The more expensive ones you get, the better the confort, sound quallity and noice cancelation. |
| 21:33:59 | bleech | mine are really insane because they are musician's in-ear monitors |
| 21:34:16 | bluebrother | hmm. How complicated it "installing" / removing them? |
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| 21:34:30 | Landon | Like normal headphones. |
| 21:34:54 | Landon | Pop them in and it feels like all the air in your head has been sucked out. |
| 21:35:26 | bluebrother | hmm. Maybe I should try it some time ... |
| 21:35:47 | Landon | Bestbuy has them on display usually. |
| 21:35:59 | Landon | Help me find this feature request! |
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| 21:36:54 | bleech | http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=220857 |
| 21:37:16 | Landon | Nice. |
| 21:37:17 | bleech | you might want to start there if you are going to read about iems |
| 21:37:29 | bleech | that forum has lots of information on choosing the best one for you |
| 21:37:58 | Landon | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5575 |
| 21:38:18 | MonkeyTamer | wow... looks like those guys must be very expensive |
| 21:38:37 | MonkeyTamer | anything shure usually is |
| 21:38:42 | bluebrother | yep. Was too slow ;-) |
| 21:38:58 | Landon | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5575 |
| 21:39:04 | MonkeyTamer | The Creative in-ears are pretty decent |
| 21:39:11 | bleech | the prices very |
| 21:39:14 | Landon | How do you get the priority higher? |
| 21:39:25 | bleech | you can get a pair ranging from $50 - $1000 |
| 21:39:37 | bleech | s/very/vary |
| 21:39:38 | Landon | My first pair was 5$ |
| 21:39:50 | MonkeyTamer | they do; but the way they name their products and such... one tends to be drawn to the more expensive ones |
| 21:40:01 | bleech | haha |
| 21:40:17 | Landon | Back to the plugin? |
| 21:40:26 | MonkeyTamer | they wouldn't be able to sell them though if they didn't have that effect |
| 21:40:55 | MonkeyTamer | From all the reviews I have found, the Creative ep somethings are the best for the price anywhere |
| 21:41:44 | Landon | Bluebrother, about the dual booting thing, does it ask me if I want to or is there a special way to do it? |
| 21:41:49 | MonkeyTamer | Creative ep-630 |
| 21:41:59 | bleech | dual booting? |
| 21:42:04 | Landon | Rockbox. |
| 21:42:04 | bluebrother | you need to press a button while booting |
| 21:43:06 | Landon | But when im installing rockbox, does it ask me if I want to erase the firmware? |
| 21:44:13 | bluebrother | on the sansa? |
| 21:44:35 | Landon | Yep. |
| 21:44:39 | bluebrother | you need the sansa firmware to be able using usb. Besides, the firmware itself is read from disk anyway |
| 21:45:08 | Landon | So it does it by itself? |
| 21:45:36 | bluebrother | so, as you don't change any flash chip memory but only the "disk" contents you can always copy that back |
| 21:45:55 | bluebrother | the firmware is in a file with the extension .mi4 |
| 21:46:12 | bluebrother | I don't know the state of sansapatcher as I don't own one. |
| 21:46:24 | bluebrother | read the manual, it should have the necessary information |
| 21:46:31 | Landon | Okay. |
| 21:46:42 | Landon | Does Rockbox delete anything, do I need to backup? |
| 21:46:53 | bluebrother | no. |
| 21:47:05 | Landon | Alright. |
| 21:47:07 | bluebrother | your data is safe (unless you mess it up of course) |
| 21:47:16 | MonkeyTamer | hahah |
| 21:47:36 | bluebrother | but again, I don't own a sansa and don't know the details. The wiki has valueable informations too |
| 21:47:55 | Landon | Okay. |
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| 21:48:05 | BigMac | Hey Guys |
| 21:48:12 | BigMac | I think I have a problem |
| 21:48:31 | MonkeyTamer | shoot |
| 21:48:57 | Landon | *pew* |
| 21:49:01 | BigMac | my F40 only goes up to loading rockbox in the bootloader, rescue mode can't be accessed, can't access the disk in windows explorer |
| 21:49:16 | BigMac | I have tried turning on and off the battery, but no help there |
| 21:49:42 | bluebrother | what have you done before it stopped working? |
| 21:50:07 | BigMac | umm, just made a build last night, and applied |
| 21:50:14 | BigMac | nothing unordinary |
| 21:50:17 | MonkeyTamer | did you update the bootloader? |
| 21:50:26 | bluebrother | do you have a recent bootloader? There was an incompatible change shortly ago |
| 21:50:35 | Llorean | BigMac: All Gigabeats need a new bootloader if they're running a current build |
| 21:50:58 | BigMac | ah ok I will go install it |
| 21:51:08 | BigMac | wait |
| 21:51:17 | BigMac | can't access the drive :/ |
| 21:52:47 | Llorean | Rescue Mode should still work |
| 21:52:54 | Llorean | What happens when you try it, exactly? |
| 21:52:58 | Llorean | Or rather "Recovery Mode" |
| 21:54:05 | BigMac | entering recue mode |
| 21:54:13 | BigMac | but that was a simple problem |
| 21:54:16 | BigMac | I had vmware open |
| 21:54:28 | BigMac | so it would not show up in windows explorer |
| 21:54:36 | BigMac | but after closing it worked |
| 21:54:58 | BigMac | now I realease, that I don't have a GBSYSTEM folder, even after showing hidden files |
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| 21:56:06 | Llorean | It's there. |
| 21:56:21 | Llorean | Just think back to how you installed Rockbox the first time. |
| 21:56:42 | BigMac | I don't remember at all to be honest |
| 21:57:11 | BigMac | and could I boot without this folder, because if so I may have deleted it |
| 21:58:04 | Llorean | You cannot boot without it. |
| 21:58:14 | BigMac | hmm |
| 21:58:16 | PaulJam | BigMac: maybe you have to enable the option to show systemfolders in windows too |
| 21:58:24 | BigMac | alright will try that |
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| 21:59:04 | Landon | Gotta go! |
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| 21:59:13 | BigMac | yah that did it PaulJam , perhaps that should be added to the wiki? |
| 21:59:56 | Llorean | BigMac: Do you mean the manual? |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:47 | BigMac | No I always use the Html version |
| 22:00:59 | BigMac | I thought that was part of the twiki |
| 22:01:02 | Llorean | No. |
| 22:01:07 | BigMac | Oh sorry |
| 22:01:17 | Llorean | Do you see an "Edit" button anywhere? |
| 22:01:29 | BigMac | no |
| 22:01:45 | scorche | there is a wiki version, but when you click on "manual" and then "html", one would think that is the html version of the manual |
| 22:01:51 | Llorean | The HTML version is the HTML version... of the manual. Which is why it's linked to from the manual page and everything, and contains the exact same text as the manual. |
| 22:01:57 | scorche | but the wiki version is quite outdated and shouldnt be used |
| 22:02:10 | * | scorche winks at Llorean |
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| 22:03:06 | GrooveStix | hullo hullo! |
| 22:03:31 | BigMac | Well the manual should still include that aswell |
| 22:03:38 | BigMac | as well |
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| 22:04:57 | bluebrother | BigMac, please file a task in the tracker unless there is one already. |
| 22:05:51 | GrooveStix | hey folks, I am trying to figure out the battery_bench.txt file |
| 22:06:17 | GrooveStix | I am in a hurry so I am probably missing something |
| 22:07:49 | GrooveStix | after the information that by default included, I see a couple of rows with some info |
| 22:08:20 | GrooveStix | I just wanted to know how can I see the total amount of hours I used my player |
| 22:14:49 | Llorean | GrooveStix: Look at the last time recorded. |
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| 22:24:36 | GrooveStix | the very last line says: |
| 22:24:38 | GrooveStix | 00:08:22, 00502, 100%, 13:47, 3970, 0003, -, -, - |
| 22:24:50 | GrooveStix | Time:, Seconds:, Level:, Time Left:, Voltage[mV]:, M/DA:, C:, S:, U: |
| 22:25:14 | GrooveStix | any clues?! |
| 22:26:00 | Llorean | I'm guessing there aren't very many lines. |
| 22:26:15 | Llorean | Did you run any plugins or turn your iPod off and then back on, or use USB, after starting the bench? |
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| 22:37:13 | bleech | sdf |
| 22:38:57 | GrooveStix | sorry, i am back now |
| 22:39:08 | GrooveStix | I used it like I use it normally |
| 22:39:16 | GrooveStix | I didn't use plugins |
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| 22:39:44 | GrooveStix | but I might have plugged it in my usb |
| 22:41:25 | Llorean | Any one of those things I listed would've stopped the battery bench |
| 22:41:26 | Llorean | And your time suggests that it was stopped sometime after 8 minutes. |
| 22:41:26 | Llorean | It's rather pointless to plug in USB while running a bench, by the way |
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| 22:41:26 | Llorean | Why were you benchmarking? |
| 22:41:26 | GrooveStix | there are 5 lines |
| 22:41:34 | GrooveStix | the total of about 20 minutes |
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| 22:42:18 | GrooveStix | I was benchmarking, because I wanted to see if there's a change in my battery life |
| 22:42:23 | GrooveStix | after I installed rockbox |
| 22:42:39 | GrooveStix | or if I am only hallucinating |
| 22:42:42 | Llorean | And yet you plugged in USB in the middle of it? |
| 22:42:46 | Llorean | What player do you have? |
| 22:42:56 | GrooveStix | ggabeat |
| 22:42:59 | GrooveStix | *gigabeat |
| 22:43:23 | Llorean | Gigabeats charge from USB, meaning that even if it hadn't interrupted the bench it would've invalidated it |
| 22:43:33 | Llorean | But on Gigabeat Rockbox should perform equally or slightly better than the original firmware |
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| 22:43:39 | GrooveStix | not by default |
| 22:43:59 | Llorean | Not by default what/ |
| 22:44:00 | Llorean | ? |
| 22:44:08 | GrooveStix | (charging from USB) |
| 22:44:14 | Llorean | Yes, it does. |
| 22:44:26 | Llorean | When USB is connected to transfer files, it still charges. |
| 22:45:16 | GrooveStix | hmmm. I remember that every time I reseted the configuration I had to set it to charge from USB |
| 22:45:47 | Llorean | What "Charge from USB" setting? |
| 22:46:02 | GrooveStix | lemme see |
| 22:46:22 | Llorean | Ah, hmm |
| 22:46:24 | GrooveStix | yes |
| 22:46:25 | Llorean | I don't believe that should be there |
| 22:46:30 | GrooveStix | it's in system |
| 22:46:37 | GrooveStix | ->battery |
| 22:47:02 | Llorean | Yes, as I said, I don't think that should be there |
| 22:47:02 | GrooveStix | ->Charge during USB connection |
| 22:47:13 | Llorean | As in "it's there, but perhaps wrongly so" |
| 22:47:21 | Llorean | Either way, connecting USB interrupted the bench. |
| 22:47:25 | GrooveStix | mmhm |
| 22:47:27 | GrooveStix | ok |
| 22:48:05 | GrooveStix | I'll try it again with no interruptions |
| 22:48:10 | GrooveStix | hopefully you're right |
| 22:48:16 | Llorean | Right how? |
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| 22:48:27 | Llorean | I know that Rockbox does not decrease battery life on Gigabeat under identical usage patterns |
| 22:49:00 | Llorean | Most people though enable features like Caption Backlight that add battery drain beyond what would drain in the original firmware, and then think that Rockbox is at fault rather than the increased drain they've put on the device. |
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| 22:49:22 | GrooveStix | what about themes? |
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| 22:49:33 | GrooveStix | same? |
| 22:49:46 | Llorean | Themes shouldn't affect it too significantly in most cases. |
| 22:50:01 | GrooveStix | I see |
| 22:50:14 | Llorean | You can visit the GigabeatRuntime wiki page to see other peoples' results |
| 22:51:20 | GrooveStix | cool, do you write some of the code? |
| 22:51:54 | Llorean | Not really, no. |
| 22:52:16 | GrooveStix | I had some trouble with the bootloader last night |
| 22:52:27 | GrooveStix | (the updated one) |
| 22:52:32 | GrooveStix | so I was trying to find somebody |
| 22:52:36 | Llorean | What kind of trouble? |
| 22:53:18 | GrooveStix | I was getting a "bad checksum" error |
| 22:53:30 | GrooveStix | and the player wouldn't boot |
| 22:53:41 | GrooveStix | I reversed to the old bootloader and it was fine again |
| 22:53:50 | GrooveStix | (yes I am using the latest firmware) |
| 22:54:28 | Llorean | The 'bad checksum' means you weren't |
| 22:54:34 | Llorean | Were you using the daily? |
| 22:54:45 | GrooveStix | yes |
| 22:54:48 | Llorean | Why? |
| 22:54:52 | Llorean | You're supposed to use the Current |
| 22:54:56 | Llorean | Daily only updates once per day. |
| 22:55:32 | GrooveStix | hmm |
| 22:56:38 | GrooveStix | so you're saying that the problem is still with the firmware? and not the bootloader? |
| 22:57:14 | Llorean | You were downloading old firmware to use with the new bootloader |
| 22:57:44 | Llorean | Or so it seems likely |
| 22:57:59 | GrooveStix | oh no |
| 22:58:04 | GrooveStix | I was using this |
| 22:58:06 | GrooveStix | http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=gigabeatf |
| 22:58:33 | GrooveStix | ha! I know why I was using the Daily Builds |
| 22:58:38 | GrooveStix | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/rdiff/Main/GigabeatFXPort?type=history |
| 22:58:59 | GrooveStix | it's because the GigaBeat page told me so! :) |
| 22:59:09 | Llorean | A page maintained by users |
| 22:59:11 | yuriks | what's "Caption Backlight" for, btw =P |
| 22:59:12 | Llorean | You should follow the manual |
| 22:59:25 | Llorean | yuriks: It turns the backlight on for the first and last few seconds of every song. |
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| 23:00:05 | yuriks | hmm, doesn't seems very useful =P |
| 23:03:27 | GrooveStix | ..at least we established the problem.... |
| 23:03:51 | Llorean | GrooveStix: Well the solution is somewhat clear too. Download a properly current one. |
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| 23:04:52 | GrooveStix | indeed |
| 23:06:01 | GrooveStix | let us see... |
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| 23:09:33 | GrooveStix | very nice |
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| 23:17:23 | GrooveStix | thanks a lot, and byr |
| 23:17:27 | GrooveStix | byrrr! |
| 23:17:29 | GrooveStix | :) |
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| 23:38:04 | The-Comiler | Hi |
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| 23:41:58 | bluebrother | ho |
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| 23:50:41 | The-Comiler | I like to use my own-written WPS, but since the WPS tokenizer-update i get a data abort when i use it. This is the WPS: http://pastebin.ca/453254 |
| 23:52:26 | Nico_P | The-Comiler: does the data abort happen when you want to play music ? |
| 23:52:45 | The-Comiler | Nico_P: Yes, it do |
| 23:52:55 | bluebrother | The-Comiler, what player? Ipod? |
| 23:53:03 | The-Comiler | iPod 5.5G 30GB |
| 23:53:15 | bluebrother | do you have a recent bootloader? |
| 23:53:28 | The-Comiler | I use the iPodLoader 2.5d |
| 23:53:38 | bluebrother | *sic* |
| 23:53:49 | The-Comiler | But the error happens with the Rockbox-Bootloader, too |
| 23:54:16 | bluebrother | with a recent RB bootloader? |
| 23:54:22 | bluebrother | or an old one? |
| 23:54:29 | Nico_P | The-Comiler: I'm going to have a look at that wps |
| 23:54:56 | The-Comiler | The recent (It support waiting to the coprocessor) |
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| 23:55:44 | The-Comiler | *supports |
| 23:57:17 | pixelma | The-Comiler: does the error happen only with your wps, have you tried one of the included? |
| 23:57:20 | Nico_P | The-Comiler: that WPS works for me |
| 23:57:28 | The-Comiler | Ouch? |
| 23:57:46 | The-Comiler | pixelma: All others works |
| 23:58:07 | Nico_P | The-Comiler: do you have the latest version of rockbox ? |
| 23:58:16 | pixelma | what font do you use? (just seems way too many lines with a reasonable font height for the Ipod video display) |
| 23:58:51 | bluebrother | The-Comiler: btw, your nick is broken ;-) |
| 23:58:59 | The-Comiler | Nico_P: I've tested it with a RB-version of ca. one week |
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