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#rockbox log for 2007-04-22

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00:05:12amiconn_kkurbjun: newlib's sscanf is a monster compared to this...
00:07:36kkurbjunI agree, newlib is much more complex on the whole, it was just a suggestion for getting started working with sscanf
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01:58:29Juice^Does there exist an official page with boot logos? for the different players.. i would like to change mine on the sansa
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02:04:20Soapwhat's the width of the sansa's screen?
02:04:36SoapJuice^: ^^
02:05:11Juice^highlight there :)
02:05:24Juice^Soap :]
02:06:42Juice^dcc send doesnt seem to be working :x
02:10:23Soapthe image itself is found in apps\bitmaps\native in the SVN tree, I don't know if there is an online SVN browser or not.
02:11:23PaulJamSoap: there is.
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02:12:52Juice^thanks soap
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03:34:20jamieh1I installed rockbox today, but I think there is something wrong.
03:35:08jamieh1Basically, I'm on a 1st gen nano, and it has been building the database for over an hour and has only found 98 songs out of about 800
03:35:12jamieh1Any ideas?
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03:39:33jamieh1Well, thanks anyway...
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03:46:19webguest52anybody here?
03:46:20aliaskYou don't need to repeat yourself.
03:46:36webguest52hey i got a question?
03:46:40aliaskDo you?
03:46:47webguest52i cant load my ipod
03:46:53webguest52u no y?
03:46:56aliaskWhat do you mean exactly by that.
03:47:03webguest52can you help please?
03:47:13aliaskRockbox doesn't load? I can't connect to USB? I can't load the iPod firmware?
03:47:20webguest52i just downloaded rockbox
03:47:50aliaskPlease try to write as much on one line as possible. Makes reading a whole lot easier.
03:47:55webguest52installed it to my ipod but it says it erroe
03:48:26aliaskWell, what error is it giving you?
03:48:41webguest52let me write what it says
03:49:07webguest52my ipod says it cant load rockbox.
03:49:29webguest52and it says press menu and select to reboot
03:49:50webguest52i did that like a million times and it doesnt work
03:49:50aliaskIt should have an error code, or some more information. Please write it all - I have no idea what the problem is unless you do that.
03:50:20webguest52i'm gonna write everything it says exaclt the way it says kk
03:50:28aliaskThat would be helpful
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03:55:22webguest52can anybody help me with my ipod
03:55:41aliaskwebguest52: Yes, I already was. Are you going to tell me the error?
03:56:03webguest52u looged off
03:56:11webguest52i was typing
03:56:12aliaskNo you did.
03:56:30webguest52ok i type slow so...
03:56:40webguest52can u waite please
03:57:01aliaskI'll be here for at least another one and a half hours and then I have work, so yes, I have plenty of time.
03:57:30webguest52it says it cant find or load rockbox,ipod
03:57:34webguest52it says
03:57:39webguest52file not found
03:57:59aliaskDid you download and extract to your iPod?
03:58:02webguest52what can i do?
03:58:13webguest52i did
03:58:35aliaskWell, can you check if there is a file called "rockbox.ipod" in the folder ".rockbox" on your iPod?
03:58:59webguest52the thing is my pc cant find my ipod
03:59:09webguest52wasup with that?
03:59:45aliaskTry loading the iPod firmware before connecting it to your computer.
03:59:57aliaskDo this by switching hold on right after you turn it on
04:00:04webguest52what do u mean the ipod firmware?
04:00:13webguest521st time doing this
04:00:29aliaskYou know the original iPod firmware?
04:00:35aliaskie. Not rockbox
04:00:50webguest52uuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhh...not really....
04:00:58webguest52is it on my ipod
04:01:04aliaskI would hope so.
04:01:18aliaskOtherwise your ipod would have never worked in the first place.
04:01:21webguest52yeah but my computer wont load or find my ipod
04:01:25aliaskI know.
04:01:44aliaskStop repeating yourself, you are making it very difficult for me to help you. You DO want me to help you, right?
04:01:49webguest52my pc usually opens itunes when i connect my ipod
04:02:05webguest52yes i want u 2 please help me
04:02:23aliaskFollow these instructions. 1. Turn off the iPod by holding menu and select for about 30 seconds.
04:02:55aliask2. Turn the iPod on by pressing the hold button, and STRAIGHT after it turns on (like once the light comes on) switch the hold switch on.
04:03:16webguest52wait please
04:03:24aliaskUh, turn it on by pressing the play button, not the hold button.
04:03:45webguest52it wont turn off
04:03:51webguest52it just reboots
04:04:10aliaskThat's fine, you still need to enable the hold button.
04:04:22aliaskSo as soon as it reboots, switch hold on.
04:04:29webguest52kk i did that
04:04:48webguest52the hold is on
04:04:53aliaskDid the iPod software load up?
04:04:55webguest52so now what?
04:05:13aliaskWhat does it say on the screen?
04:05:14webguest52what is it supposed to look like?
04:05:36aliaskJust normal, like with the white screen that says "artists albums" etc
04:05:45webguest52nope nothing
04:05:51aliaskSo it's off?
04:05:52webguest52the same thing pops up
04:06:01webguest52the error thing
04:06:11webguest52the hold is on
04:06:17webguest52now what
04:06:22webguest52take it off?
04:06:25aliaskYou need to switch hold on BEFORE that screen comes up
04:06:45webguest52so start over?
04:07:29aliaskYes. Restart and turn on hold ASAP, before anything comes up on the screen.
04:08:03webguest52ok the screen on my ipod is black and it says the error thing
04:08:12webguest52and the hold is on?
04:08:17webguest52do i take it off?
04:08:31webguest52now what?
04:08:32aliaskTry restarting the ipod while holding the menu butotn.
04:09:03webguest52then i do what?
04:09:50aliaskWhat happens when you connect the USB?
04:09:53aliaskLike right now.
04:10:07webguest52the hold is on and the apple icon is still on
04:10:18aliaskApple icon?
04:10:30webguest52i can see the menu!
04:10:37aliaskOk, that's a start.
04:10:39webguest52the normal menu!
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04:10:51webguest52so now what
04:10:54aliaskNow, connect the iPod to your computer
04:11:15webguest52ok i did that
04:11:23aliaskNow go to the iPod's drive.
04:11:28webguest52tanks by the way!
04:11:39aliaskWe're only half way there at the moment.
04:11:59aliaskDo you have a Mac or a PC?
04:12:11webguest52i wish i had a mac
04:12:13aliaskGood. (I don't know anything about macs)
04:12:31webguest52mac r 2 expensive
04:12:48aliaskOpen up My computer, and go to the iPod.
04:12:57webguest52i did that
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04:13:01webguest52so now what?
04:13:03aliaskThere should be a folder called ".rockbox" in there
04:13:05aliaskIs there?
04:13:21webguest52no it in another folder i created
04:13:30webguest52take it out
04:13:42aliask.rockbox needs to be in the ipod's main folder
04:14:00webguest52is that the problem
04:14:17webguest52r u a hacker or something?
04:14:23aliask... uh not really.
04:14:31aliaskI know how to make rockbox work though!
04:14:36Hammer89*is laughing... HARD*
04:14:36webguest52but you'r smart though!
04:14:43webguest52really smart!!
04:15:18webguest52its in the main folder
04:15:20aliaskSo double check that the .rockbox folder (and everything in it) is in the iPod drive (like F:/.rockbox)
04:15:25webguest52so now what?
04:15:38webguest52k wait plz
04:15:42aliaskSafely remove the ipod and unplug it. Rockbox should load.
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04:16:41webguest52ctually it has some folder but not the one u said like (F:/rockbox)
04:16:41GrooveStixhey folks
04:16:55webguest52just alot of folders
04:17:04aliaskWhat do you mean webguest52?
04:17:12GrooveStixhas anyone been getting "bad checksum" errors lately?
04:17:26webguest52i just looged in like that
04:17:38webguest52i suck at spelling sorry
04:17:51aliaskWhen you open the ipod drive, is there a folder called ".rockbox" there. Or is it somewhere else?
04:18:22webguest52i see it
04:18:34aliaskOk, cool. Disconnect the iPod and it should load rockbox.
04:18:52webguest52wait plz
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04:19:15webguest52kk now what
04:19:36webguest52it's all white and
04:19:43webguest52its all white
04:20:00webguest52y does this stuff show up twice
04:20:05webguest52never mind
04:20:21webguest52y r the letters all small?
04:20:29webguest52like the words
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04:21:09webguest52hello? anybody here?
04:21:13aliaskBecause the default font is small. I'm not going to teach you how to use rockbox, there's way too much to cover.
04:21:24aliaskInstead, I suggest you read the manual.
04:21:26webguest52its cool
04:21:30webguest52no worries
04:21:35webguest52just axin'
04:21:50webguest52oh by the way im 16 yrs
04:22:09aliaskI'm 18 :)
04:22:34aliaskOh wait, 19... forgot about my birthday the other day...
04:22:42webguest52hey i downloaded this cuz i thought i could put computer games like mario or doom on my ipod video
04:22:55webguest52can i do that?
04:23:06aliaskYou can. Gameboy games will run slowly on an ipod video though.
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04:23:18webguest52gameboy games?
04:23:24aliaskYes. Gameboy games.
04:23:27webguest52how do i put them on my ipod?
04:23:40webguest52or where can i download them?
04:23:54webguest52do u play pc online games?
04:24:06webguest52like endless online?
04:24:16aliaskYou'll have to do that yourself, it's illegal to provide gameboy games for download.
04:24:25aliaskYou will want to read thsi:
04:24:48webguest52does that tell me how to download them on my ipod
04:25:02aliaskThat tells you everything you want to know about rockbox. And more.
04:25:13webguest52kk thank you
04:25:29webguest52do u play endless online?
04:25:54webguest52kk thank you cya
04:26:21webguest52its really kool if u want it go to
04:26:38webguest52its free
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04:27:25*aliask breathes a sigh of relief
04:27:34Hammer89That was entertaining...
04:28:34Hammer89Actually... I needed that... I haven't laughed that hard all day :D
04:29:41GrooveStixdamn, you guys will make me to open the logs and crash firefox
04:29:53GrooveStixor worse
04:31:20GrooveStixhowever, can someone offer some help
04:32:11GrooveStixI am getting "bad checksum" errors since I updated the firmware/bootloader
04:32:16GrooveStixon my GigaBeat F
04:33:40GrooveStixany ideas? or shall I specificate further ?
04:34:01krazykitwhat did you update, specifically? the gigabeat firmware or the bootloader?
04:34:44krazykittry copying over the bootloader again
04:34:57krazykitmake sure it's the rockbox one
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04:37:31GrooveStixI have an idea
04:37:40GrooveStixI'll take a picture of the error message
04:37:53GrooveStixsince it's long
04:38:04GrooveStix(yes I copied the bootloader again)
04:40:28GrooveStixhmmm, bad idea
04:40:37GrooveStixmy cam sucks
04:40:53GrooveStixI'll try to type it then:
04:43:43GrooveStixRockbox bootloader
04:43:48GrooveStixVersion: ....
04:44:02GrooveStixLoading Firmware
04:44:21GrooveStixLength: 6D348
04:44:26GrooveStixChecksum: 0
04:44:57GrooveStixModel name:
04:45:17GrooveStixLoading rockbox.gigabeat
04:45:37GrooveStixSum: 2BE7B69
04:45:59GrooveStixBad Checksum
04:46:10GrooveStixand that's it
04:46:31GrooveStixany ideas?
04:47:14krazykittry putting on the latest build of rockbox
04:47:18GrooveStixbtw this shows up after the loading screen and stays on for about 5 second
04:47:24GrooveStixI did
04:47:33krazykitstrange. i have today's rockbox and it works fine
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04:47:47GrooveStixI actually moved all the old rockbox files away
04:48:08GrooveStixand unzipped a fresh combination of bootloader/fonts/rockbox
04:48:27GrooveStixsame error
04:48:46krazykithm. any way you could restore it to factory (using whatever tool toshiba has) and then reinstalling?
04:48:57krazykitassuming you're using windows, of course
04:49:07GrooveStixI have a better idea
04:49:25GrooveStixI'll try restoring the older bootloader
04:50:54GrooveStixlet us see
04:51:05GrooveStixaha! it's the BootLoader!!!
04:51:23GrooveStixI downgraded it and now it works fine again!
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05:04:29H10_007quickIn linux how do I make the rockbox utility?
05:04:50H10_007quickI tried the make command in the rbutil folder but it failed
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05:14:16H10_007quickNever mind, I will ask latter!
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05:55:12Transiencei'm working on modifying the firmware over at
05:55:53Transiencewe're stuck because we can't figure out which algorithm generates the checksum for the nk.bin file
05:56:12Transiencedoes anyone know which algorithm this is?
05:57:28borisyeltsinhey, any more progress on the sansa? The wiki hasn't been updated in a while...
05:58:18Transiencedo you have any familiarity with either the ZVM
05:58:29Transienceor checksum algorithms?
05:58:38borisyeltsinI don't code. Thus my interest in the sansa port. If I could code I would have done it myself;)
05:58:58Transiencethis isn't really coding though
05:59:07borisyeltsinstill no knowledge.
05:59:13Transiencethanks anyway
05:59:29Transiencei'm a ZVM man though
05:59:38Transienceso i couldn't tell you about the sansa
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06:24:39Transiencedoes anyone in here know about the ZVM?
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06:40:51Saint_Jimmy_does anyone in here know about checksums?
06:42:06Saint_Jimmy_i'm working on modifying the Zen Vision M firmware at
06:44:19jhulstSaint_Jimmy_: Any specific questions?
06:44:51Saint_Jimmy_we're trying to modify the firmware
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06:45:05Saint_Jimmy_but we can't get the firmware to pass the checksum
06:45:21krazykithave you read the thread in New Ports?
06:45:25Saint_Jimmy_because we don't know the algorithm which generated the checksum for the nk.bin file
06:45:52Saint_Jimmy_look at my last post
06:45:52krazykitthen you have all the information that exists within rockbox right now
06:46:01jhulstSaint_Jimmy_: The post on Rockbox
06:46:06Saint_Jimmy_with the registry key
06:46:14krazykiti meant:
06:46:50krazykitbetween those threads, that's pretty much what there is
06:47:03lachlanSaint_Jimmy: There aren't any core developers of Rockbox interested in a ZVM port (to my knowledge). Your best bet would be to look in the thread in our New POrts section, as there were one of two knowledgeable poeple trying to create a port IIRC.
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06:48:00Saint_Jimmy_well we know that it's a 160 bit hash
06:48:13Saint_Jimmy_if that helps any
06:48:28jhulstSaint_Jimmy_: We don't know that for sure, that's what we think right now
06:49:01jhulstIf you have any specific questions, I can do my best to answer them, I am one of the people working on the port
06:49:25Saint_Jimmy_did you see my post about the registry key?
06:50:02Saint_Jimmy_is that related to the checksum algorithm? or am i just taking a shot in the dark here?
06:50:58jhulstSaint_Jimmy_: It looks like a shot in the dark but I haven't taken a good look at it
06:52:07Saint_Jimmy_is there some way i could check? like use that registry value to compute the checksum?
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06:54:17Saint_Jimmy_if it helps any
06:54:29Saint_Jimmy_the updater seems to be written in c++
06:54:44Saint_Jimmy_as Rec Studio can open it without problem
06:55:07jhulstSaint_Jimmy_: I don't think that the registry value is the way to go
06:55:40jhulstI'll take a look at it in Rec Studio
07:06:27jhulstSaint_Jimmy_: I don't think it is C++, It looks like Rec Studio decompiles it to assembly
07:06:55jhulstI've been going over the code in assembly, as you should see in the Rockbox forum
07:09:26Saint_Jimmy_so is the Rec Studio disassembly any help here at all?
07:12:26jhulstYup, that code is what we have to look through right now, I've been using a different program that seems to present it a little better
07:12:39Saint_Jimmy_which one?
07:13:57jhulstOllyDbg, it's all in the thread
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07:15:14Saint_Jimmy_thanks for your help
07:16:13jhulstSaint_Jimmy_: No problem, anything to help
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08:18:40grilled-cheesecan somebody let me know if this is possible currently? I just won a 30G video ipod in a programming contest and was wondering if there was a way to split it in half, one side for portable media (possibly using rockbox or something) and the other half a bootable sabayon linux installation
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08:46:55MonkeyTamerIs there such a linux distro available for the ipod?
08:47:24lexipodlinux? :o
08:47:40MonkeyTamerreferring to grilled-cheese's comment
08:48:10MonkeyTamergrilled cheese: that's all there really is, ipodlinux
08:48:27MonkeyTameryou can dual boot with loader2, but it isn't supported by Rockbox
08:48:39grilled-cheesei'm not looking to try and run linux "on" the ipod, but use it more like a USB drive so i can plug it into a compy at like walmart and boot linux
08:49:01MonkeyTamerso place the system files and such?>
08:49:16MonkeyTameryou could do that I suppose
08:49:28MonkeyTamerbut that would give that little HDD aworkout
08:50:47grilled-cheesei know it will
08:51:01grilled-cheesebut it's not intended to be used as a full time solution
08:51:02MonkeyTamerwell, when you put rockbox on to the dac, you have the ability to go into USB mode anyways
08:51:20grilled-cheesebut is is bootable?
08:51:36MonkeyTamernot sure about that, unless you had an executable somehow
08:52:22annulus_does the ipod use the standard usb mass storage device framework? i thought it did not
08:52:25MonkeyTamerI really don't know a whole lot about linux, but there are some devs who come on later who may be more informative
08:52:36annulus_if it did, you could, assuming the bios supported it
08:53:21annulus_booting over usb, that is
08:53:32MonkeyTameryeah, that sounds right
08:54:24annulus_might be easier to boot of a CD and use the ipod for $HOME or something
08:54:34annulus_your ipod will last longer, too
08:57:07amiconnWhether you can boot off a usb hdd doesn't depend on the hdd, it depends on the bios of the pc you want to boot from it
08:57:51amiconnAnd yes, the ipod uses plain usb mass storage protocol, so no problem from that side
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09:07:31grilled-cheesewhile yes, the ipod does use the standard UMS protocol, there is a need to be able to tinker with the partition table as there is no bootable partitions set in the partition table
09:09:57grilled-cheeseso there is a little needed at least
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09:10:52grilled-cheesebut anyway, thanks for the input yall, i'll try asking again later and see what others have to say
09:11:26MonkeyTamerheh, for me this is just a learning experience in itself
09:11:50MonkeyTamerthat in addition to the electric flux and other physical jargon that's preoccupying my time
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09:21:10MonkeyTamerelectrostatics is so taxing...
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09:36:44bluebrotherhas someone objections against rejecting FS #7072? IIRC we had a rejected request for java earlier
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09:41:35Bagderrecent fun: no less than 4 mails caught by mailman before they reached the mailing list with my rockbox-email in the From: field, with pure spam content
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09:43:33bluebrotheraaah, this might get a good day. Rejected a useless request already :P
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09:50:58boemiehi evryone
09:51:25*Bagder waves
09:52:22boemiedoes anyone here have an ipod vid 30gb 5th gen?
10:01:40lex5.5G, yes
10:05:01JdGordonamiconn: do you think it would be safe to assume that every icon in the viewers bmp would be referenced by wther viewers.config or the .icons file? so we could use the highest icon number as an idea of how heigh the viewer icons are?
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10:08:30grilled-cheesejust got me a 5.5G 30G unit today
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10:25:39boemiepeepz im having lots of trouble with my ipod -.-
10:26:26boemieanyon there?
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10:27:08JdGordonPaulJam: hey
10:27:34JdGordondo you rmemeber the icon bug from last week which i havnt fixed yet?
10:28:04lachlanboemi: Just ask your question and someone will answer it
10:28:11PaulJamJdGordon: do you mean the bug that all musicfiles get the mp3 icon?
10:29:15JdGordonPaulJam: that could be the one... can you elaborate?
10:29:27JdGordoni remmeber there being an if....
10:30:15boemiemy ipod video 30gb 5th gen is stuck at the loading screen and keeps rebooting the whole time with a little click when it reboots when i try to put it on my dock the only thing it sais is please wait low battery so theres nothing i can do about it because i cant get a link between my pc and my ipod -.- this happend after i installed rockbox and went through the whole manual
10:30:39boemiecan someone help me?
10:32:23JdGordondo a reset (hold menu+select), then hold menu down while you boot so it goes into the OF, then connect to usb
10:32:47PaulJamJdGordon: I'm not sure what you mean. the bug was that even if you for example set "flac:5" in the icons file and it contains the entry "mp3:4", flac files would show icon 4.
10:33:41JdGordonok, i tohught there was more to it :p definatly happening so ill hoopefully get it.
10:33:51boemiegordon i already tried to do the reset but its just when i reset it starts automatically again and it hangs at the apple logo -.-
10:33:59boemieso it just cant start
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10:34:50boemieso technically it cant do anything and when i put my ipod onto the dock it just says low battery so it doesnt connect to my pc
10:34:54JdGordonhmm... i dunno... dont have an ipod
10:35:06boemieim doomed -.-
10:35:11kkurbjunI've seen it on a nano
10:35:27boemiei think it cannot be fixed
10:35:36PaulJambah, seems as if the new wps loading code doesn't like my wps.
10:35:38kkurbjunand you just have to let it cycle for a while till it builds up enough charge
10:35:59boemieok so put it onto my dock so it can recharge too?>
10:36:30boemiebecause if i dont it just cycles until its out of battery
10:36:30kkurbjunI try and avoid letting the battery hit rock bottom
10:36:40boemiewell mine already did -.-
10:37:04kkurbjunyes, I would let it charge first and see how it does
10:37:27boemieyea but when i charge it and it has enough battery say like 5 % (guess) it goes cycling again
10:37:37boemieand then when it falls back it charges up again -.-
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10:38:48kkurbjunI don't know about that then, I've just seen it work on the nano, it can charge completely off usb though.
10:39:05kkurbjunif you can charge it independent of plugging it in it might help though
10:39:15boemieoh yes that might work :D
10:39:25boemiewow thanx alot man !
10:39:36kkurbjun:), I mean independent of usb
10:39:39JdGordonPaulJam: ah, bugger.... found the problem.. not really possible to fix
10:39:40boemieyes yes
10:40:01JdGordonits because all music uses the same attributes, which is what the file icon goes by
10:40:10boemiea ipod charger independent from pc right?
10:40:40boemiethanx alot
10:40:44boemiebye bye evryone
10:41:01PaulJamJdGordon: for me it's ok, i'm not planning to use different icons anyway.
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10:54:50BagderI can see on my CPU meter when a commit has happened ;-)
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10:57:23JdGordonBagder: and the network activity also as we all hammer :p
10:57:41JdGordonwhich server dropped off which is slowing the build down?
10:58:05Bagdertrue, but I'm on "storebror" which is my home box and it is just a build server in the pool
10:58:35Bagderthe master build log is pretty detailed and shows all that
10:59:02BagderI'm preparing to make the build system capable of building the same build on more than one server
10:59:10Bagderand pick the fastest
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11:01:43JdGordonwhat about delayed upload? or still to hard to be bothered with?
11:02:18Bagderit'll be painful to get to work fine
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11:02:38BagderI mean, the builds and the transfers pretty much need to be synchronized anyway
11:02:54Bagderit'll turn really messy if we start a new build before the transfers are done
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11:08:45bluebrotheris the network speed really such a concern?
11:09:01Bagdersome of the zips take >40 seconds to transfer
11:09:42Bagderat times that is
11:11:01bluebrotherthat's quite a while
11:12:58Bagder"copied build-recorder/ in 48 seconds, 20047 bytes/second"
11:13:40Bagderthe recorder build should take far less than 48 seconds to build on most servers...
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11:33:56amiconnBagder: 20KByte/s upstream isn't exactly fast, but quite usual for ADSL upstream
11:34:15*amiconn 's upstream isn't that much faster
11:34:33amiconn45KByte/s under optimal conditions, i.e. 384kbit/s
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11:34:57Bagdermy server is on adsl and wireless, and still is >100kbyte/sec...
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12:03:37markunhi webguest17, having problems?
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12:11:52JdGordonmarkun: is the gigabeat button lights similar to the sansas?
12:12:46webguest17hi - experimenting with rockbox and am looking for clues as to where to put a playlist into rockbox created with kaffiene..
12:12:58markunJdGordon: I don't know the sansa
12:13:02Bagderwebguest17: anywhere you like
12:13:35JdGordonmarkun: the sansa has a light on the scroll wheel that turns on whenever you spin it...
12:13:44*JdGordon cant find pics on the gb's lights
12:14:15webguest17so if i put i the original ipod playlist folder rockbox will find it - m3u that is?
12:14:46markunJdGordon: the gigabeat has 3 blue leds under the side buttons. You can change the brightness in steps of 64, but two of them are connected and will have the same brightness if both are switched on.
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12:14:59markunin 64 steps :)
12:15:00Bagderwebguest17: you'll browse the dirs and files to find it so yes
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12:16:13markunJdGordon: is that similar?
12:16:13JdGordonmarkun: do they turn on when you press the button and then off again after some time?
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12:16:48webguest17ok i'll give it a try - thanks - only installed yesterday and am still stumbling around.....
12:16:50JdGordonmarkun: the sansa just has 3 leds under a pice of plastic, they are ether on or off... but im more interesetd in the behaviour..
12:16:52markunJdGordon: we could do that yes, but you control them in software so you can do anything you want
12:17:15bluebrotherwebguest17, the playlist entries need to be absolute (to the device's root folder) or relative.
12:17:22bluebrotherThat's all that might be limitating ;-)
12:17:55bluebrotherand playlists encoded with utf8 are m3u8 while m3u will be assumed to have the codepage you selected
12:17:57JdGordonmarkun: ok cool, ill try doing this in a generic way so you dont need to do much to get it working if you want
12:18:24markunJdGordon: don't fuck it up.. :)
12:24:11JdGordonwhy does the backlight code need a thread if its got a tick task?
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12:27:44webguest17BINGO!! trial playlist shows in "playlists" and plays.... thanks again
12:29:02Juice^you could make the led lights on the sansa pulse from the music eq.. :) would be fun
12:30:25JdGordonJuice^: I had it set as the disk activity light once when i was debugging... looked great... :D
12:30:40Juice^JdGordon: haha.. cool :)
12:31:03Juice^i'd love to see that in action
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12:33:51Juice^JdGordon: didn't it flash alot then?
12:34:47JdGordonyes.. flahsed like mad for the first 30sec or so.. then quiet untill playback, but the flashing was cool :p
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12:35:26Juice^guess its quite a waste of battery time :D
12:35:27spiorfi want an extra led on my ipod too....
12:36:26amiconnBagder: The slowish uploads from some servers would be less of a problem with an asynchronous upload queue
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12:36:41Bagdernot really
12:36:50amiconnMaybe this would pay off more than speculative builds...
12:36:52Bagderonly if they would be asynch over build rounds
12:37:14amiconnRight now the servers build - upload - build - upload
12:37:19Slasherirsync should be used to transfer the zip file..
12:37:46amiconnSo a fast server on a slowish connection isn't used to its full potential
12:38:24amiconnI'm not saying each build should have its own upload thread, that might easily become a real mess
12:38:48Bagderbut the only gain we get is that the table could be updated faster
12:38:56Bagderas I would still want all transfers done before next round
12:38:59amiconnBut what about an upload queue?
12:39:11amiconnNo, I think it would be an overall gain
12:39:22Bagderah, I get it
12:39:36Bagderyes, we could upload while the next build is in progress
12:39:43amiconnYes, transfers should be finished before the next round, but this way the servers are kept busy and the slowish upstream is also kept busy
12:39:44Bagderon that server I mean
12:39:57Bagderbasically having a transfer thread for each server
12:40:11Slasherireplacing the scp command with rsync command should give very noticeable gain
12:40:26JdGordonif another build is going already, why do we need the zip?
12:40:29Bagderwe'd of course have to rsync over ssh then
12:40:44Slasherithat might work even better if the zip is not compressed (or zipped) at all
12:40:49BagderJdGordon: I won't go into such a mess
12:41:01Slasherirsync uses ssh by default
12:41:16BagderJdGordon: each build round is "stand-alone"
12:41:27BagderSlasheri: ? no it doesn't
12:41:30Bagderbut it can
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12:41:45SlasheriBagder: at least it does on every linux distro i have used it
12:41:54Bagderif you tell it to, sure
12:41:57Slasheri-e ssh can be used as parameter if necessary
12:42:13amiconnBagder: Another improvement for (not related to build speed this time) woul dbe if it keeps the old zips available for download until the new round is finished
12:42:15Slasheribut i have only needed that on old solaris platforms
12:42:25Bagderrsync uses its own protocol and port number if you use rsync://
12:42:42Slasheriyes, if you sync with daemon
12:43:00Bagderall I say is that you need to tell it what to do
12:43:04Slasheribut just copying files over two machines, it goes through ssh
12:43:29amiconnPerhaps the download page should be separate from the build tables as well. It's not very intuitive for plain users
12:43:31Slasheriassuming rsync is installed on both machines, the same syntax works as for scp
12:43:43Slasheribut more parameters can be used if necessary
12:43:50Bagderamiconn: yes it really should
12:44:45Bagderand I'm still doubtful about the benefits of using rsync for new files
12:45:32*amiconn 's linux box has no rsync installed
12:45:38Slasherii think the fastest way to do it would be recursively rsync the whole build directory before generating the zip file (however, then server would generate it and that takes some time too)
12:46:09Slasherifor completely new files, it does not improve speed if the file is already compressed
12:46:26amiconnSlasheri: I doubt that. Why would transferring a whole bunch of uncompressed files be faster than transferring one compressed file?
12:46:30Slasheri(-z parameter does compression on fly when syncing)
12:46:32Bagder"rsync the whole build directory" from where to where?
12:46:50Slasheriamiconn: because it compresses on the fly and transfers only differences found
12:47:08Bagderand the build dir should be empty when it starts to build ;-)
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12:47:16amiconnOn the fly compression isn't as efficient as offline compression
12:47:42Slasheriamiconn: yeah, but we are transferring only the diff compressed
12:48:00Slasheriit's way more efficient than transferring the whole compressed zip file
12:48:08amiconnThe build dirs are completely regenerated every build, so the diff would be the whole dir
12:48:35Slasherii doubt you got the idea how rsync works
12:48:59Bagderrsync does binary diffs and sends them
12:49:01Slasheriit uses checksums, timestamps and so on to generate the diff on the fly
12:49:47amiconnI never used rsync itself, but I know the concept from several similar tools/programs
12:50:19amiconnTaking the remote diff is certainly some overhead, especially since all timestamps change from build to build
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12:50:46amiconnAnd the same build servers aren't guaranteed to build the same targets every time
12:51:17Slasheridifferent timestamps do some overhead indeed
12:51:30Slasheribut why would it matter which build server are generating the build?
12:51:53amiconnDo you want to rsync all build dirs across all build servers?
12:51:55JdGordonBagder: are the svn builds actaully stored once the next build is started?
12:52:13Slasheriamiconn: why would that be necessary?
12:52:17*JdGordon mentions bittorrent for the build zips
12:53:48amiconnSlasheri: If you sync e.g. the H100 build with one build server, the master would have its copy in that state. Now, what happens if the H100 is built on another build server next time?
12:54:10Slasherithat doesn't matter at all
12:54:28amiconnI don't think so.
12:54:34JdGordonsetup a dedicated tracker for svn builds, then seed all builds from * and have the build servers sedd the builds they do... no one needs to keep track of who is uploading what...
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12:54:46Slasherirsync does exactly same thing as scp, but in much more powerfull and intelligent way
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12:57:31JdGordonBagder: what do you think? all thats needed is a tracker that offers rss feeds of new torrents so the main server can grab them.. and then instead of needing the .zip to make the tables, only upload rockbox-info.txt and the build log for each build?
12:58:05amiconnSlasheri: If you'd do this, rsync would sync many files unnecessarily because of subtle differences
12:58:26amiconnThere are many things in the build dir which don't end up in the zip
12:58:36Slasheriamiconn: rsync would sync the differences it finds, not whole files
12:58:48amiconnYes, but it would find lots of differences
12:59:03Slasheriok, that could be true
12:59:31Slasheribut telling rsync to check only interesting files could actually work better
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13:02:38BagderJdGordon: I don't believe in that
13:02:51Bagderbuild servers come and go
13:02:56Bagderand they should be allowed to
13:03:34JdGordonok... so?
13:03:47Bagderso we need to get the zips to the master after each build
13:04:04JdGordonthe main rockbox server would seed them all so the build servers could vanish if they wanted to
13:04:29Bagderthat would also force all servers to offer torrents
13:04:38Bagderwhich I wouldn't want them to have to
13:05:02JdGordonhmm... fair point
13:06:04BagderI'm off, back tonight
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13:15:07amiconnJdGordon: around?
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13:15:28JdGordonamiconn: I are
13:16:18amiconnCould you give me some hints regarding the menu system, root menu and end of playlist?
13:16:44amiconnThe problem that hwcodec always jumps back to root at end of list is still there...
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13:17:06amiconnAlso, there is a problem regarding the wps context menu on Ondio
13:17:06bluebrotherbittorrent for svn builds will only cause trouble as the file gets replaced quite often
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13:17:36bluebrotherbittorrent might be an idea for e.g. the video downloads
13:17:37amiconnSince there is no direct access to the main menu from wps, pressing the menu combo again in the context menu should call the main menu
13:17:57amiconnBut for some reason you end up in the sound settings menu rather than the top level...
13:18:09JdGordonamiconn: the hwcodec problem is almost definatly in wps_show() which has (iirc) one "return GO_TO_ROOT;" line
13:18:42JdGordongwps_show() possibly...
13:19:12lachlanblueborther: wasn't the 'video torrent' idea already tried- and failed?
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13:19:17JdGordonbluebrother: why would constant new builds cause a problem for BT? the newest torrent would always be linked to
13:19:51bluebrotherbecause users will run into trouble when downloading a build that vanishes.
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13:20:15bluebrotheryou can't guarantee that the file will be present within the next couple of seconds / minutes. Not a problem for http
13:21:03JdGordonthe idea is though, that it wont vanish.... the main server would seed the most recent 10 builds (for example)
13:21:22bluebrotheradditionally, an average user wouldn't install bittorrent just to get the most recent build
13:21:43PaulJami was just wondering, would it be bossible to somehow lock the currently playing playlist, so it can't be overwritten? i have updated the root.m3u8 while it was playing and this seems to have messed up playback in the simulator (the wps shows the wrong track)
13:22:08bluebrotherPaulJam, you can enable "warn on erasing dynamic playlist"
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13:22:21bluebrotherbut I don't think there is any locking mechanism.
13:23:14amiconnJdGordon: Hmmmmmmm... the last line in gui_wps_show() should indeed be unreachable. But there are two places with suspicious return values: gwps.c line 133 and 656
13:23:35amiconnThe latter returns GO_TO_ROOT, the former returns 0 (why just a plain 0 ???)
13:24:06JdGordonno idea.. but 0 is GO_TO_BROWSER...
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13:25:24JdGordonamiconn: try changing both of them to GO_TO_PREVIOUS?
13:26:00amiconnIf 0 is GO_TO_BROWSER that one can't be the reason. But it's still fishy...
13:27:26amiconnWhat's the difference between GO_TO_PREVIOUS_BROWSER and GO_TO_PREVIOUS?
13:28:13JdGordonprevious_browser is tree or db.. previous is any screen
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13:33:33amiconnJdGordon: I am wondering about lines 642..644. What does this do?
13:35:35JdGordonfollow playlist setting
13:36:26amiconnAH, hmmmm
13:37:07amiconnThe GO_TO_ROOT in line 658 is obviously reached when gui_wps_display() returns true (which is the case at end of list)
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13:37:36amiconnI think we do want the follow playlist feature work correctly in that case, which means we'd need a similar mechanism there
13:38:36amiconnI think moving the whole if (restore && ...) {...} block in front of the if (exit ) { ... } block and just setting exit = true should do it. What do you think?
13:39:11JdGordonI dunno... if it works go for it
13:39:21amiconnI'll check it
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13:45:34PaulJamNico_P: i was wondering, would it be possible to show a splash with the linenumber and maybe the column where the wps pharsing failed? or do you think that is unnecessary.
13:46:44Nico_PPaulJam: actually I was considering it
13:47:06Nico_PPaulJam: but some said it was unnecessary... I think it would help the users
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13:50:18bluebrotherdisplaying a "broken wps" splash is completely sufficient imo
13:50:46amiconnNico_P: Why not just stop at the point of error, and display the partial wps? Or would that add unnecessary comlication?
13:51:15fm2markun: have you had a chance to look at ?
13:53:09fm2amiconn: that would be very confusing IMO. Even for experienced users.
13:53:45Nico_Pamiconn: it's doable but then I would need to close open conditionals... that's what people didn't seem to want
13:54:28amiconnfm2: Of course I mean including an error msg
13:55:22fm2amiconn: but then you'll have a non working WPS. IMP it's better to display a message and switch to a working (=default = compiled in) WPS
13:55:51amiconnYeah, but the user has no hint where the error is
13:56:18amiconnAnd adding a line/column output sounds like unnecessary extra effort
13:57:01fm2amiconn: if the user didn't do the WPS himself he will have no clue how to fix it anaway. And if he did he'll use sim or other means.
13:57:26LloreanWhat kind of errors can stop a WPS right now?
13:57:29bluebrotherwhy not add line / column output for sim builds only? Maybe only as DEBUGF output?
13:57:45LloreanI mean, are there errors besides unclosed conditionals/tags?
13:58:56fm2Llorean: wrong format for image loading tag?
13:59:23Nico_PLlorean: conditional chars when there is no open conditional
13:59:27amiconnJdGordon: 'follow playlist' is broken anyway
13:59:32Nico_Pi.e. | or >
13:59:43JdGordonamiconn: it is?
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14:00:52pixelmaLlorean: yes for example if you try to use the backdrop tag on mono screens (that's what I did once with the old system and it wasn't funny...)
14:01:37LloreanNico_P, amiconn: Maybe just have it splash depending on type of errror: "Unclosed Conditional" "Out of place > or |" and "Incompatible tag: %X" or something?
14:01:40amiconnJdGordon: If follow playlist is enabled, exiting from wps (regardless of whether it's by stopping playback, end of playlist or calling the browser explicitly) should _always_ bring you to the currently playing track. Instead, you end up where you last left off browsing
14:02:10Lloreanamiconn: End of playlist means there is no currently playing track.
14:02:30amiconnLlorean: Then it should be (and usually was) the last playing track
14:02:57Lloreanamiconn: I do agree.
14:03:16LloreanExcept for one thing: I don't like the idea that entering the file browser from the menu should follow playlist.
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14:03:47LloreanIf you go directly from WPS->Filetree in any way, I think it should follow the playlist, but Menu->Filetree should go to where you last saw in the filetree.
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14:04:05LloreanOtherwise you could be in the filetree, hit menu, the track changes, go back to the filetree without ever seeing the WPS, and be in a completely different location.
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14:04:15amiconnThat's the purpose of 'follow playlist'. That's why it's an optio
14:04:38amiconnLlorean: Nope, only the wps would do that
14:04:46Lloreanamiconn: Only the WPS would do what?
14:05:01amiconnThe wps would set te currently playing track as the filetree location
14:05:11LloreanSo it would only happen if you saw the WPS in between?
14:05:38amiconnAnd if you're in the menus somewhere , wps isn't running so it can't change the filetree location
14:05:43LloreanOkay, that's fine then
14:05:58LloreanI thought when you said "Browser is explicitly called" that you wanted a check on calling the browser.
14:06:09LloreanI have no complaints, then. :)
14:06:36amiconnI started with ..exiting from wps.. (regardless of the way)
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14:07:03Lloreanamiconn: Somehow I missed that. I apologize.
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14:11:17Lloreanbarrywardell: Reds
14:12:21pixelmabluebrother: do you have an idea why latex complains about "! LaTeX Error: File `scrreprt.cls' not found." while it is there (also worked before) and how to fix this?
14:12:43LloreanAaaand, it seems kermit is trying to make m68k builds when it can't.
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14:13:43bluebrotherpixelma, that file is part of Koma-Script −− did you change anything at your latex setup?
14:14:16pixelmabluebrother: it's not mine and afaik nothing was changed there
14:14:22bluebrotherrunning texhash might help. Not exactly sure though
14:14:45bluebrotherhmm, then maybe Koma-Script isn't installed?
14:15:09bluebrotherin my install it's located in /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/koma-script/scrreprt.cls
14:15:18pixelmathe file is there... and the setup worked before
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14:15:29bluebrotherhmm. That is quite strange.
14:16:24bluebrotherhave you tried building a small test document?
14:18:20pixelmaI only have tex-files from the rockbox menu
14:18:27pixelmaerr.... manual
14:19:05bluebrothertry this one:
14:19:27bluebrotherand run "pdflatex test.tex". Should give you a test.pdf with only the words "hello world"
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14:19:55amiconnThe file is in /usr/share/texmf-tetex/tex/latex/koma-script/scrreprt.cls here
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14:21:56bluebrotheryou might also want to check for the environment variable TEXINPUTS
14:22:12bluebrotherwhich should be unset usually
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14:22:16amiconnBah. Seems line 621 is hitting on hwcodec
14:23:25austriancoderdan_a: I have a little question for you. I thought about to make use of an isr in sansas adc code, But I dont know if what i need to do configure it. I want to get the isr called, when i2c traffic is done
14:23:27pixelmabluebrother: the test.tex gives the same result
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14:24:24barrywardellaustriancoder: the code you're looking for is in the firmware/target/arm/system-pp502x.c file
14:24:29bluebrotheryou can workaround it if you replace the scrreprt in the documentclass line in preamble.tex by report
14:24:38barrywardellyou need to change irq()
14:24:38bluebrotherbut that is not a fix ;-)
14:24:45JdGordonbarrywardell: apart from the user interface part... ive got configurable light handling working.. do you want to look at the patch? or can I just commit once the ui part is done?
14:24:50pixelmaif I skip the first error messages it complains about even more "files not font"
14:24:51bluebrotheras it will affect the whole document style
14:25:00pixelma*found oviously
14:25:07austriancoderbarrywardell: ahh okay.. will look at it
14:25:21pixelmagrr.... obviously obviously ;)
14:25:23bluebrotherif you build the test file with documentclass report, does that work?
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14:26:57pixelmasorry... that's beyond me
14:27:12barrywardellJdGordon: i'd say just go ahead and commit it
14:27:56pixelmabluebrother: how would I do this? (stoopid newbie questions...)
14:29:03barrywardellhmmm. That M5 boot error wasn't me. No m68k-elf-gcc. Bagder?
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14:30:10bluebrothertry this one:
14:31:15pixelmathanks for the help :)
14:32:38JdGordonhow do i add a string for only the sansa in english.lang?
14:34:01pixelmabluebrother: now it says "report.cls not found" ... :/
14:35:07bluebrotherThen your latex setup is messed up pretty much :(
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14:36:05pixelma...and it was the only setup that allowed me building the html-manual so far... :(
14:36:44bluebrotherwhat does "echo $TEXINPUTS" tell?
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14:39:59pixelmait just gives an empty line
14:40:10bluebrotherhmm. That should be fine.
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14:40:50bluebrothertry running "texhash"
14:44:06pixelmanothing's changed :/
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14:45:58barrywardelldoes anybody know what needs to be done to fix the warning for H10/4G?
14:46:53bluebrotherdid you run it as root or as user?
14:47:05austriancoderbarrywardell: okay.. so after a fast look at the interrupt stuff... if i do it in system-xxxx i can only react on interrupts by the arm cpu, but i want a way to look at an interrupt generated by the as3514.
14:47:06bluebrotherrunning as user will most likely not change anything
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14:48:00JdGordonwho knows the lang files? how would i add a new string for only the sansa?
14:48:12JdGordondo I use NONE for the <dest> for *: ?
14:48:47ColdSphinX^ desc: Generic recorder string to use to confirm
14:48:47DBUGEnqueued KICK ColdSphinX^
14:48:47ColdSphinX^ user:
14:48:47ColdSphinX^ <source>
14:48:48***Alert Mode level 1
14:48:48ColdSphinX^ *: "PLAY = Yes"
14:48:50ColdSphinX^ h100,h120,h300: "NAVI = Yes"
14:48:52ColdSphinX^ ipod*: "SELECT = Yes"
14:48:54ColdSphinX^ x5: "SELECT = Yes"
14:48:56ColdSphinX^ h10: "NEXT = Yes"
14:48:58ColdSphinX^ gigabeat: "SELECT = Yes"
14:49:00ColdSphinX^ e200: "SELECT = Yes"
14:49:02ColdSphinX^ </source>
14:49:04ColdSphinX^ <dest>
14:49:06ColdSphinX^ *: "PLAY = Yes"
14:49:07LloreanColdSphinX^: Please follow channel guidelines.
14:49:08ColdSphinX^ h100,h120,h300: "NAVI = Yes"
14:49:10ColdSphinX^ ipod*: "SELECT = Yes"
14:49:12ColdSphinX^ x5: "SELECT = Yes"
14:49:14ColdSphinX^ h10: "NEXT = Yes"
14:49:16ColdSphinX^ gigabeat: "SELECT = Yes"
14:49:18JdGordonColdSphinX^: yes I know... but im asking about none?
14:49:18ColdSphinX^ e200: "SELECT = Yes"
14:49:20ColdSphinX^ </dest>
14:49:22ColdSphinX^ <voice>
14:49:24ColdSphinX^ *: ""
14:49:26ColdSphinX^ </voice>
14:49:30ColdSphinX^that's the way
14:49:34pixelmabluebrother: it was run as root... thanks for taking your time
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14:49:51LloreanColdSphinX^: The guidelines clearly state that you shouldn't paste multi-line pastes into the channle
14:50:50barrywardellaustriancoder: that is the only way we have of dealing with interrupts. if it doesn't interrupt the cpu then how does the cpu know the interrupt has happened?
14:51:20dawnin rockbox, it's possible to configure battery capacity in the settings
14:51:31austriancoderbarrywardell: ineeded.. i will see if the i2c interrupt does work
14:51:36dawnmy value is currently 950mAh (default). what would be the right value for an iaudio x5?
14:51:43ColdSphinX^JdGordon see msg
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14:52:48ColdSphinX^dawn my x5 has a 950mAh battery
14:53:10barrywardellaustriancoder: yes. you should probably check for an I2C interrupt in irq(), then if it is I2C run a function to check if it was the as3514's ADC
14:53:12dawnah, ok
14:53:26dawnColdSphinX^: what's your experience about the battery lifetime?
14:53:49tymmhi, i reseted my ipod (with rockbox on it) and now i cant see my mp3s anymore, whats wrong?
14:54:54JdGordonbarrywardell: got a better place to put the wheel light setting than under display?
14:55:09ColdSphinX^hmm it's in the third year so i think of looking for an replacement becaue the lifetime decreases
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14:56:01dawnColdSphinX^: well, with lifetime I rather meant playing time ...
14:56:06ColdSphinX^tymm is the database initialised or are you using filewiev?
14:56:42barrywardellJdGordon: Either display or system. Might be good to keep it with the other backlight settings, I'm not sure
14:56:52tymmColdSphinX^: im using fileview, how can i initialise the database?
14:57:00ColdSphinX^dawn: currently about 5h it's a old battery as i said
14:57:09JdGordonLlorean: what do you think?
14:57:14dawnColdSphinX^: ah, ok, that sounds quite nice
14:57:31LloreanJdGordon: "System", the one under General Settings
14:57:38LloreanJdGordon: Where the RTC option is.
14:58:07JdGordonits a bit hidden there isnt it?
14:58:23LloreanWell it's definitely not a display setting
14:58:34LloreanAt least, does it have anything to do with the screen?
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14:58:57LloreanIt's kinda "misc hardware"
14:59:57LloreanIt seems right to me at least, until a menu reorganize happens, which I keep being too sidetracked to get around to working on a suggestion for
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15:00:26JdGordonat least now, if that ever happens, it wont be so hard to do
15:01:23ColdSphinX^tymm if you use filewiev you don't need to initialise the database, but its in "settings -> general settings -> database -> initialize now"
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15:05:45austriancoderbarrywardell: how can i check if as3514's ADC is the source of the i2c interupt?
15:06:56bluebrotherpixelma: sorry, no ideas left to try :(
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15:10:52amiconnJdGordon: I found the reason why the wps context menu misbehaves on Ondio: The menu wrapper doesn't obey the callback given on menu_init()
15:11:11pixelmapitty... :( but I really apreciate your help
15:11:21JdGordonamiconn: ok, easy fix?
15:13:23amiconnI have no idea how to fix it :(
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15:15:09midkayJdGordon: do you really think it's necessary to have a setting for the sansa wheel light timeout? seems like it'd be plenty appropriate to just have it correspond to the backlight timeout.
15:15:40Lloreanmidkay: Some of us would like it shorter (or never)
15:16:15LloreanBut it can also serve as a disk access LED I imagine.
15:16:24midkayLlorean: hmm.. i see..
15:16:28JdGordonmidkay: well, linus changed the request to critical.. and i was bored and it was easy to do :p
15:16:52midkayJdGordon: btw, not sure if you noticed the build table.. or if it's related to your commit..
15:16:54LloreanJdGordon: I'm pretty sure the request became critical because he forgot to not make it critical after changing the other thing
15:17:01midkayyes, i guess you did. :)
15:17:10JdGordonLlorean: ah, haha :)
15:17:14LloreanBut I think being able to configure it separately would be nice.
15:17:21JdGordonmidkay: yeah, I did, was making sure it all worked before commitnig
15:17:22LloreanKinda like the Gigabeat button LEDs.
15:17:29LloreanIf those would just work without blitzing the screen.
15:17:46JdGordonhopefully the gb buttons should be able to use mostly the same backlight code...
15:18:14LloreanThey have two brightness levels it seems (or at least two)
15:18:34LloreanBut their current option has "dim" as being just one setting, rather than having the option "Bright/Dim" and then a separate option for when they turn on.
15:19:15bluebrotherhmm. Flyspray shouldn't use "critical" as default when editing tasks that have no priority set
15:19:19JdGordonI had a quick look at the backlight code for the gigabeat and almost cried... its scary :p
15:20:04Lloreanbluebrother: Agreed
15:20:28bluebrotherJdGordon: *you* getting scared? ;-)
15:20:41amiconnJdGordon: menu_init() can specify a callback, which is used in onplay.c line 1052 for the context menu. menu.c: menu_init() properly stores this in the menu structure, but I can't find from where this is or should be called from menu_show() (which in turn calls do_menu())
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15:21:03*bluebrother was already wondering about that :P
15:21:54JdGordonmenu_init() for the old api your talking about?
15:22:00amiconnThis callback can be (and in case of onplay, is) used to mangle actions, which just doesn't happen here, being the reason for the misbehaviour
15:22:16amiconnYes, as onplay is still using the old api
15:22:59JdGordonah, ok... I'll see where that should go
15:23:30JdGordonits called in oldmenuwrapper_callback
15:24:08amiconnIs it? But from where is this wrapper called?
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15:24:31*amiconn thinks it might be helpful to convert all menus to the new system and get rid of the wrapper stuff
15:24:49JdGordonnot so easy.. all the plugins use the old api
15:25:23JdGordonand we decided the new api doesnt do dynamic menus as well as the old one.. unfortunatly :( but yeah, these dont really stop us...
15:25:29amiconnThe wrapper could be put in the plugin lib temporarily...
15:25:36amiconnIt doesn't?
15:26:06JdGordonI've tried converting onplay.c twice and gave up both times... cant quite get it as nice as it is
15:27:03JdGordonbut anyway... oldmenuwrapper_callback is called every time a button is pressed in do_menu
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15:32:11amiconnOdd... why doesn't it work then?
15:33:50JdGordonthe callback is definatly being called...
15:33:55JdGordonjust checked in the sim
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15:45:12amiconnJdGordon: Do you know whether this callback is used elsewhere?
15:45:30amiconnIf not, a fix is rather simple, and would even save a little bit of code...
15:46:50amiconnHmm, greping for menu_init should tell me...
15:49:14JdGordonI dont think it is.... but we shouldnt go breaking the api for plugins....
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15:50:01amiconnIt won't break, it's just the extra replacement in oldmenuwrapper_callback that could go. The actual callback then needs to return the correct action
15:50:10amiconnI am checking plugins as well of course
15:53:48JdGordonwhat would the fix be if we can remove this callback?
15:54:15amiconnNot remove the callback... but simplify its behaviour, and adapt the actual callback in onplay.c a bit
15:55:17JdGordonI dont fully get the problem? pressing menu inside the onplay menu doesnt go to where it should? (which is where?)
15:55:44amiconnThe callback is called... but the new menucode doesn't react properly
15:56:02amiconnIt doesn't help if exit_to_main is set but the menu itself doesn't exit
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15:56:42JdGordonreturning MENU_SELECTED_EXIT doesnt work?
15:57:14JdGordonGO_TO_PREVIOUS actually...
15:57:40JdGordonno, umm... ignore that
15:58:13amiconnThe switch() in menu.c: oldmenuwrapper_callback can be removed entirely
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15:58:49amiconnonplay.c: onplay_callback() then needs to return ACTION_EXIT_MENUITEM in case we want to exit, _and_ set exit_to_main
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16:00:50JdGordonamiconn: we could do that... but then your mergning the 2 api's which isnt such a good idea... but if nothing else uses the callback then I guess its ok
16:01:04amiconnYes, nothing else uses the callback
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16:01:52amiconnBut it doesn't work...
16:02:32JdGordonis this only a ondio problem? or all targets?
16:03:57JdGordonhmm... seems its all targets... very odd behavour on the sansa
16:04:17amiconnIt's only a *real* problem on Ondio because there is no alternative to enter the main menu from wps, but the (wrong) behaviour exists on all targets
16:04:19JdGordonpressing menu seems to accept the item!
16:04:37amiconnAnd with my change it doesn't do that but doesn't exit either
16:06:00amiconnI could make it return ACTION_STD_CANCEL instead...
16:07:34JdGordonseems to work
16:07:37amiconnThat works :)
16:07:38JdGordonnot the nicest solution though
16:09:30JdGordonbah, go for it... better than it being completly broken
16:11:33JdGordonif ((menu->flags&MENU_TYPE_MASK) == MT_OLD_MENU) is failing...
16:13:15JdGordonhmm... no its not!
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16:14:53JdGordonamiconn: I tihnk I found the bug :p
16:15:09JdGordonmenu.c:757 seems to be the wrong way around
16:15:15elinenbeDo the button LCDs work on the gigabeat? I am running the latest code, but don't see a setting anywere.
16:15:36JdGordonelinenbe: in the debug menu apparently
16:15:51JdGordonamiconn: yeah, should be >= 0 not < 0
16:15:54Llorean elinenbe: They work, but not always consistently
16:16:13LloreanSometimes when you turn them on, the LCD backlight will go off, until you shutdown and restart.
16:19:39JdGordonamiconn: you've run off?
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16:25:14JdGordonamiconn: ok, well that was a real bug, so I commited the fix.. it should fix your ondio bug also....
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16:50:36yuriksHey, any way to get more blingbling menu's in the nano version?
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16:54:45yuriksand the menu icons are always black (don't change with the fg color), is that normal behaviour? or a bug?
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16:59:58elinenbethanks guys.
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18:47:16NET||abusehi guys,, i tried to update my database there and now it keeps rebooting.. can i wipe a db file to get it to re-initialize the databse?
18:47:24NET||abuseor some other fix?
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18:49:59datachilddoes rockbox support avi playback?
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18:50:12datachild.mp4 then?
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18:50:21dionoea(and avi would be too vague anyway, since that's just a container, not a codec)
18:50:28dionoeadatachild: see the wiki mpegplayer page
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18:54:39NET||abusehmm, what wps's can i use on the mini? just had to do a scandisk of my ipod, was borked
18:54:39NET||abuse :(
18:56:07datachildso you can play .mpeg but not .avi?
18:56:26dionoeayou can play mpeg2 video with mp3 audio in mpeg ps yes
18:56:31dionoeayou can't play anything else
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18:56:44dionoeaIf you have a video ipod, you should use the apple firmware for video playback
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18:57:26dionoea(rockbox doesn't know how to use the video decoding chip on video ipods yet ... so it's using the normal cpu to decode it)
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19:01:03NET||abusedionoea: really? when will "vpu" support be added? is there an agenda for it?
19:01:17dionoeait won't be added
19:01:23dionoeabecause no one know how it works
19:01:29NET||abuseoh? propriatary :)
19:01:36dionoea(well i'm not part of the core developers but that's what i understood)
19:01:38dionoeaNET||abuse: yes
19:01:40NET||abusewould be nice if apple would open up a bit ;)
19:01:50dionoeaIt's not apple, it's broadcom or something like that
19:01:56NET||abusereally.. hmm
19:02:04NET||abusewell, it's not like you can't backward engineer such things :)
19:02:15NET||abusethey did it with bcm wifi :)
19:02:34dionoeait's not like it's easy either
19:02:55NET||abuseheheh, that's also true
19:03:13NET||abuseright, is there a way to fastforward using the scroll wheel rather than holding down ffw
19:03:15bluebrotherthe chip is made by broadcom
19:03:39bluebrotherfrom what is understood up to now the chip is programmed with some firmware that is saved in the flash memory of the ipod
19:04:21NET||abusecouldn't they port that firmware (perhaps unofficial addon package ;) )
19:04:23bluebrotherso one needs to figure out how to program the chip and how to interact with the PP cpu
19:04:51bluebrotherfeel free to work on it yourself ;-)
19:04:51NET||abusewell, pipe dream for now perhaps ;) though summer of code... the wma support is being added, so anythings possible.
19:05:11bluebrotherbut I don't think there is any interest in Rockbox itself. Maybe the guys at ipl have more interest
19:05:13bluebrotherbut I doubt it.
19:11:45NET||abuseright, gotta run for dinner
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19:34:33rockclimberI don't know if i'm right but am i true that rockbox for ipod does not support the photo connector?
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19:35:35bluebrotherit doesn't support any of the accessories yet.
19:35:47bluebrotheryou can use the dock connector for line out
19:36:20bluebrotherbut if you refer to some camera by "photo connector", you need to use the apple firmware for that.
19:36:48rockclimberkk but i can start the original firmware by activate hold when the ipod boots
19:37:14bluebrotheryou can also quite easily uninstall Rockbox if you find to not like it
19:37:22bluebrotherit's not a one way trip
19:37:40rockclimberyeah i allready installed it
19:38:07bluebrotherI hope you liked it ;-)
19:38:16rockclimberi switched many times between ipodlinux and rockbox
19:39:33bluebrotherguess I don't need to mention it then ;-)
19:40:36rockclimberI tried to use both but the linux boot loader worked not very well together with rockbox
19:40:56bluebrotheryou can use the Rockbox bootloader for loading IPL
19:41:05bluebrotherworks fine, at least for me.
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19:41:41rockclimberKk I will try it out
19:42:06bluebrotherit's mostly undocumented though
19:42:27bluebrotherif you press "play" upon boot the RB bootloader will load a linux kernel named "linux.bin" from the root of the disk
19:42:55rockclimberwell, but i found a very good IRC ^^
19:43:54rockclimbernearly the same like ipl BL
19:44:25*bluebrother doesn't know the ipl loader
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20:16:27Camjpnhey can someone help me with something?
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20:19:42linuxstb_Camjpn: Just ask.
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20:21:45Camjpnwell i have a Gigabeat, and the Artist info, Album info is all messed up
20:21:56Camjpnit has like for example 20391-390-1293123Album One
20:22:10Camjpnit will have a lot of numbers, and letters then the proper artist or album.
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20:22:29linuxstbWhat format is your music? Does this happen on every album, and with every theme?
20:23:15Camjpnit is MP3, and WMA
20:23:43linuxstbRockbox doesn't play WMA...
20:24:26Camjpnok well, its MP3?
20:24:34Camjpnthis is with all my music, and alot of it is both
20:26:41linuxstbHave you looked at the files themselves (e.g. in a PC music player) to see what are actually contained in the tags?
20:26:50Camjpnyea im looking at that now
20:27:05Camjpnwell, nvm, all of it is MP3
20:29:20Camjpnso what would u suggest ?
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20:32:58linuxstbCamjpn: To look at the tags in a tag editor on your PC and fix them if needed.
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20:50:54LordBrainWhat's the best portable media player to use with rockbox?
20:52:09LloreanI don't think Rockbox runs on anything that would fix the "PMP" category, Rockbox is primarily target at audio players.
20:52:14Lloreanfit, rather.
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20:52:37LloreanAs well, "best" is a rather subjective viewpoint. It depends on what hardware features you value over others
20:52:49bluebrotherh100 and x5 are great targets as it runs quite nicely
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20:53:08bluebrotherif you want more codecs than the archos devices support ;-)
20:53:35Lloreanh100 series is best for recording, the X5 is a good middle ground as it still offers decent recording, and has a color screen for that 'shiny' appeal, and the Gigabeat F/X series lay the other way with no recording features, but a nice crisp color screen and good video functionality.
20:53:47LordBrainoh i didnt know there was a difference
20:53:59LordBraini mean a portable audio
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20:54:30bluebrotherLordBrain, why don't you start with telling what you want? ;-)
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20:54:51LordBrainwell, most of my music is in vorbis format
20:55:08LordBrainbasicly, i'd like something that is portable that can play that
20:55:24LloreanWell, that's basically anything that is not an Archos, that Rockbox supports
20:55:55bluebrotheryou just should be aware that the PortalPlayer devices (Ipod, Iriver H10) have worse battery life with Rockbox
20:55:58LloreanThough I'd strongly suggest against the iPods, the Sansa e200, or the iRiver H10 as they run on a processor we don't have good support for yet
20:56:07bluebrotherand I find my h120 much more reliable and stable than the Ipod
20:56:26LloreanPoor battery life, and some slowness in the menus, and possibly even skipping in the music if you try to use an equalizer.
20:57:21bluebrotheralso, if you have a greyscale display you can read it without backlight which isn't true for color displays
20:57:36bluebrother... which is caused by the technology.
20:57:56LordBrainhmm h120 sounds good so far
20:58:10bluebrotherthe only problem is that the h100 series isn't produced anymore.
20:58:29LloreanMaking them somewhat harder to find, though they're a prize if you can get one.
20:58:31bluebrotherand IMO the sound quality it great, especially compared with the Ipod
20:58:32LordBraini've never had one of these, i wasnt even thinking of battery life
20:59:04bluebrotherI get about 17h with my h120, and below 8h with the Ipod mini
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20:59:12LordBrainwhich company makes h120?
20:59:37bluebrotherthe h100 series is missing a clock, but there's a mod to add one ;-)
21:00:33LordBrainwhat's a decent price for one?
21:01:39bluebrotherdon't know −− bought mine when they were still in production. Something about 350EUR back that time in germany
21:01:54bluebrotherwhich was about 2 1/2 years ago
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21:04:42LandonAnyone here?
21:05:12bluebrotherno :P
21:05:22bluebrotherI see 142 people around ...
21:05:47bluebrotherLordBrain, we have a wiki page somewhere that compares a couple of players that are still in production
21:05:53LandonI have a question about the rockbox for sansa..
21:05:55bluebrothercan't remember the page name atm
21:06:19bluebrotherLandon, it's usually a better idea to just ask. If someone knows the answer you most likely will get an answer
21:07:01bluebrotherLordBrain, found it:
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21:07:33LandonSo.. What can the normal sansa firmware do that the rockbox can't. Like I love the video playback, but I want a alternative firmware, and that dual boot thing that the guy made supposibly freezes it..
21:08:12LloreanThe official loader dual boots just fine...
21:08:21LloreanAnd Rockbox has better or equal video playback.
21:08:44LandonSo rockbox is all around AWESOMER?
21:09:16bluebrotherthat's a matter of perspective :)
21:09:45LandonAnd Im looking at some video's on Youtube, and they all have terrible skins, are the skins good?
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21:10:23LloreanThe skins are whatever you want them to be, mostly.
21:10:34LandonSo you can make it look pretty?
21:10:56bluebrotherthere are a lot of pretty themes around
21:11:05LloreanBut so far Rockbox does not support on the Sansa: FM Radio, Recording, MicroSD slot, and WMA
21:11:07LandonAlright, And if I do brick it, I can easily fix it?
21:11:16LloreanIf you do brick it, you didn't follow the instructions right
21:11:31LloreanDepending on how crazy of a thing you decide to do wrong, the ease of repair can vary a lot.
21:11:36LandonBut if I do, can I fix it?
21:11:58LloreanYou can repair almost anything you can do during a normal Rockbox install
21:12:22LloreanYou have to mess up the first repair process, and then mess up the repair process to repair the messed up from the repair device before you start getting into risking a permanent brick.
21:13:05LandonAnd... I can dual boot so, if I want to listen to the radio, I can use the normal firmware?
21:13:20bluebrotheryou need to dual boot for usb to work
21:13:31bluebrotheras Rockbox hasn't it's own usb implementation yet
21:13:51bluebrotherwhich will hopefully change during the summer ...
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21:15:04LandonAlright, so I can like hold << to boot into rockbox?
21:15:33bluebrothersomething like this. I don't know the key, but it should be in the manual
21:15:52LloreanIt's << I believe.
21:15:52LandonAnything else bad about Rockbox?
21:15:56bluebrothermaybe you just want to have a look into it first. It's quite good.
21:16:44LandonI shall, when I get home, Im on the road, and im excited!
21:18:02bluebrotherbtw, Llorean: how's the shop running?
21:18:17LandonCan I keep my music in the sansa firmware place, and listen to it in Rockbox?
21:18:48Lloreanbluebrother: Pretty much as expected. Having merchandise is cool, but people don't actually want to buy it. :) All is well.
21:18:59bluebrotherhehe. Nice.
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21:19:49LandonCan I keep my music in the sansa firmware place?
21:19:59LloreanAs long as it's MP3 format.
21:20:07LloreanRockbox doesn't play WMA
21:20:43LandonRockbox doesnt have a Nes emu?
21:22:19LandonHow big is the firmware?
21:23:32LloreanLess than 5mb
21:23:59bluebrotherh120 download archive is less than 2MiB, plus a similar amount for the fonts
21:24:41bluebrotherdepending on what additional data you want to install (themes etc.) this increases of course
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21:25:15LandonWell, I want Rockbox for its apps and stuff. But I think im going to keep the original firmware for listening to music.
21:25:34LandonDoes the video playback have a easy way to fastforward?
21:26:15bluebrotherit doesn't have ffwd at all
21:26:20bluebrotherat least not yet
21:26:39bluebrotherI believe you want Rockbox for music, not the other way round ;-)
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21:27:11LandonWhat cool features does it have?
21:27:15bluebrotherbecause of nice features like ReplayGain, parametric equalizer, gapless playback, on the fly playlists
21:27:29Landonid3 playlists?
21:27:46bluebrotherno, on the fly.
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21:27:58bluebrotherand a builtin database
21:28:04LandonThe normal sansa has that.
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21:28:34bluebrotherI don't know the sansa. But you can use the database to create a playlist by browsing by id3 tags.
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21:28:58Slasherirockboxes database (engine) is very advanced, you can create custom db queries and so on
21:28:58LandonWhat language is Rockbock built in?
21:28:59bluebrotherI don't know how a "id3 playlist" should work anyway
21:29:13bluebrotherC, with some parts in asm
21:29:19LandonOh, damn.
21:29:33bluebrotheras that id3 playlist needs to find the files on disk in some way.
21:29:49bluebrotherbut if you consider a custom database query a id3 playlist, yes, you can do that
21:30:23LandonI was thinking about writing a plugin that uses the microphone to amplify the surrounding sounds when you hold play and rec or something so you dont have to take off your headphones.
21:30:56bluebrotheryou might want to search the tracker for a similar task
21:31:10bleechthat sounds useful
21:31:20bleechbecause i have isolating earphones
21:31:24LandonBecuase I have isolating headphones.
21:31:30LandonYeah :P.
21:31:32bluebrotherI think that has been requested already
21:31:36Slasherihmm, that sounds like a great idea
21:31:40bleechLandon: what kind do you have?
21:31:54bluebrotherbut as a plugin ... I don't think that would integrate nicely.
21:31:55Slasherii have isolating hp too and can't use them at work because of that
21:32:07bluebrotheras you always need to start the plugin first.
21:32:16bleechi have sensaphonics
21:32:43LandonHelp me find the tracker thinger.
21:32:46bleechprophonic 2x-s
21:32:57bluebrotherhow good are isolating headphones in terms of noice cancellation?
21:33:25LandonIf you have music on, you cannot hear anything, even with 5$ ones.
21:33:34bleechreally good
21:33:44LandonThe more expensive ones you get, the better the confort, sound quallity and noice cancelation.
21:33:59bleechmine are really insane because they are musician's in-ear monitors
21:34:16bluebrotherhmm. How complicated it "installing" / removing them?
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21:34:30LandonLike normal headphones.
21:34:54LandonPop them in and it feels like all the air in your head has been sucked out.
21:35:26bluebrotherhmm. Maybe I should try it some time ...
21:35:47LandonBestbuy has them on display usually.
21:35:59LandonHelp me find this feature request!
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21:37:17bleechyou might want to start there if you are going to read about iems
21:37:29bleechthat forum has lots of information on choosing the best one for you
21:38:18MonkeyTamerwow... looks like those guys must be very expensive
21:38:37MonkeyTameranything shure usually is
21:38:42bluebrotheryep. Was too slow ;-)
21:39:04MonkeyTamerThe Creative in-ears are pretty decent
21:39:11bleechthe prices very
21:39:14LandonHow do you get the priority higher?
21:39:25bleechyou can get a pair ranging from $50 - $1000
21:39:38LandonMy first pair was 5$
21:39:50MonkeyTamerthey do; but the way they name their products and such... one tends to be drawn to the more expensive ones
21:40:17LandonBack to the plugin?
21:40:26MonkeyTamerthey wouldn't be able to sell them though if they didn't have that effect
21:40:55MonkeyTamerFrom all the reviews I have found, the Creative ep somethings are the best for the price anywhere
21:41:44LandonBluebrother, about the dual booting thing, does it ask me if I want to or is there a special way to do it?
21:41:49MonkeyTamerCreative ep-630
21:41:59bleechdual booting?
21:42:04bluebrotheryou need to press a button while booting
21:43:06LandonBut when im installing rockbox, does it ask me if I want to erase the firmware?
21:44:13bluebrotheron the sansa?
21:44:39bluebrotheryou need the sansa firmware to be able using usb. Besides, the firmware itself is read from disk anyway
21:45:08LandonSo it does it by itself?
21:45:36bluebrotherso, as you don't change any flash chip memory but only the "disk" contents you can always copy that back
21:45:55bluebrotherthe firmware is in a file with the extension .mi4
21:46:12bluebrotherI don't know the state of sansapatcher as I don't own one.
21:46:24bluebrotherread the manual, it should have the necessary information
21:46:42LandonDoes Rockbox delete anything, do I need to backup?
21:47:07bluebrotheryour data is safe (unless you mess it up of course)
21:47:36bluebrotherbut again, I don't own a sansa and don't know the details. The wiki has valueable informations too
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21:48:05BigMacHey Guys
21:48:12BigMacI think I have a problem
21:49:01BigMacmy F40 only goes up to loading rockbox in the bootloader, rescue mode can't be accessed, can't access the disk in windows explorer
21:49:16BigMacI have tried turning on and off the battery, but no help there
21:49:42bluebrotherwhat have you done before it stopped working?
21:50:07BigMacumm, just made a build last night, and applied
21:50:14BigMacnothing unordinary
21:50:17MonkeyTamerdid you update the bootloader?
21:50:26bluebrotherdo you have a recent bootloader? There was an incompatible change shortly ago
21:50:35LloreanBigMac: All Gigabeats need a new bootloader if they're running a current build
21:50:58BigMacah ok I will go install it
21:51:17BigMaccan't access the drive :/
21:52:47LloreanRescue Mode should still work
21:52:54LloreanWhat happens when you try it, exactly?
21:52:58LloreanOr rather "Recovery Mode"
21:54:05BigMacentering recue mode
21:54:13BigMacbut that was a simple problem
21:54:16BigMacI had vmware open
21:54:28BigMacso it would not show up in windows explorer
21:54:36BigMacbut after closing it worked
21:54:58BigMacnow I realease, that I don't have a GBSYSTEM folder, even after showing hidden files
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21:56:06LloreanIt's there.
21:56:21LloreanJust think back to how you installed Rockbox the first time.
21:56:42BigMacI don't remember at all to be honest
21:57:11BigMacand could I boot without this folder, because if so I may have deleted it
21:58:04LloreanYou cannot boot without it.
21:58:16PaulJamBigMac: maybe you have to enable the option to show systemfolders in windows too
21:58:24BigMacalright will try that
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21:59:04LandonGotta go!
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21:59:13BigMacyah that did it PaulJam , perhaps that should be added to the wiki?
21:59:56LloreanBigMac: Do you mean the manual?
22:00:47BigMacNo I always use the Html version
22:00:59BigMacI thought that was part of the twiki
22:01:07BigMacOh sorry
22:01:17LloreanDo you see an "Edit" button anywhere?
22:01:45scorchethere is a wiki version, but when you click on "manual" and then "html", one would think that is the html version of the manual
22:01:51LloreanThe HTML version is the HTML version... of the manual. Which is why it's linked to from the manual page and everything, and contains the exact same text as the manual.
22:01:57scorchebut the wiki version is quite outdated and shouldnt be used
22:02:10*scorche winks at Llorean
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22:03:06GrooveStixhullo hullo!
22:03:31BigMacWell the manual should still include that aswell
22:03:38BigMacas well
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22:04:57bluebrotherBigMac, please file a task in the tracker unless there is one already.
22:05:51GrooveStixhey folks, I am trying to figure out the battery_bench.txt file
22:06:17GrooveStixI am in a hurry so I am probably missing something
22:07:49GrooveStixafter the information that by default included, I see a couple of rows with some info
22:08:20GrooveStixI just wanted to know how can I see the total amount of hours I used my player
22:14:49LloreanGrooveStix: Look at the last time recorded.
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22:24:36GrooveStixthe very last line says:
22:24:38GrooveStix00:08:22, 00502, 100%, 13:47, 3970, 0003, -, -, -
22:24:50GrooveStix Time:, Seconds:, Level:, Time Left:, Voltage[mV]:, M/DA:, C:, S:, U:
22:25:14GrooveStixany clues?!
22:26:00LloreanI'm guessing there aren't very many lines.
22:26:15LloreanDid you run any plugins or turn your iPod off and then back on, or use USB, after starting the bench?
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22:38:57GrooveStixsorry, i am back now
22:39:08GrooveStixI used it like I use it normally
22:39:16GrooveStixI didn't use plugins
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22:39:44GrooveStixbut I might have plugged it in my usb
22:41:25LloreanAny one of those things I listed would've stopped the battery bench
22:41:26LloreanAnd your time suggests that it was stopped sometime after 8 minutes.
22:41:26LloreanIt's rather pointless to plug in USB while running a bench, by the way
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22:41:26LloreanWhy were you benchmarking?
22:41:26GrooveStixthere are 5 lines
22:41:34GrooveStixthe total of about 20 minutes
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22:42:18GrooveStixI was benchmarking, because I wanted to see if there's a change in my battery life
22:42:23GrooveStixafter I installed rockbox
22:42:39GrooveStixor if I am only hallucinating
22:42:42LloreanAnd yet you plugged in USB in the middle of it?
22:42:46LloreanWhat player do you have?
22:43:23LloreanGigabeats charge from USB, meaning that even if it hadn't interrupted the bench it would've invalidated it
22:43:33LloreanBut on Gigabeat Rockbox should perform equally or slightly better than the original firmware
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22:43:39GrooveStixnot by default
22:43:59LloreanNot by default what/
22:44:08GrooveStix(charging from USB)
22:44:14LloreanYes, it does.
22:44:26LloreanWhen USB is connected to transfer files, it still charges.
22:45:16GrooveStixhmmm. I remember that every time I reseted the configuration I had to set it to charge from USB
22:45:47LloreanWhat "Charge from USB" setting?
22:46:02GrooveStixlemme see
22:46:22LloreanAh, hmm
22:46:25LloreanI don't believe that should be there
22:46:30GrooveStixit's in system
22:47:02LloreanYes, as I said, I don't think that should be there
22:47:02GrooveStix->Charge during USB connection
22:47:13LloreanAs in "it's there, but perhaps wrongly so"
22:47:21LloreanEither way, connecting USB interrupted the bench.
22:48:05GrooveStixI'll try it again with no interruptions
22:48:10GrooveStixhopefully you're right
22:48:16LloreanRight how?
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22:48:27LloreanI know that Rockbox does not decrease battery life on Gigabeat under identical usage patterns
22:49:00LloreanMost people though enable features like Caption Backlight that add battery drain beyond what would drain in the original firmware, and then think that Rockbox is at fault rather than the increased drain they've put on the device.
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22:49:22GrooveStixwhat about themes?
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22:49:46LloreanThemes shouldn't affect it too significantly in most cases.
22:50:01GrooveStixI see
22:50:14LloreanYou can visit the GigabeatRuntime wiki page to see other peoples' results
22:51:20GrooveStixcool, do you write some of the code?
22:51:54LloreanNot really, no.
22:52:16GrooveStixI had some trouble with the bootloader last night
22:52:27GrooveStix(the updated one)
22:52:32GrooveStixso I was trying to find somebody
22:52:36LloreanWhat kind of trouble?
22:53:18GrooveStixI was getting a "bad checksum" error
22:53:30GrooveStixand the player wouldn't boot
22:53:41GrooveStixI reversed to the old bootloader and it was fine again
22:53:50GrooveStix(yes I am using the latest firmware)
22:54:28LloreanThe 'bad checksum' means you weren't
22:54:34LloreanWere you using the daily?
22:54:52LloreanYou're supposed to use the Current
22:54:56LloreanDaily only updates once per day.
22:56:38GrooveStixso you're saying that the problem is still with the firmware? and not the bootloader?
22:57:14LloreanYou were downloading old firmware to use with the new bootloader
22:57:44LloreanOr so it seems likely
22:57:59GrooveStixoh no
22:58:04GrooveStixI was using this
22:58:33GrooveStixha! I know why I was using the Daily Builds
22:58:59GrooveStixit's because the GigaBeat page told me so! :)
22:59:09LloreanA page maintained by users
22:59:11yurikswhat's "Caption Backlight" for, btw =P
22:59:12LloreanYou should follow the manual
22:59:25Lloreanyuriks: It turns the backlight on for the first and last few seconds of every song.
23:00:05yurikshmm, doesn't seems very useful =P least we established the problem....
23:03:51LloreanGrooveStix: Well the solution is somewhat clear too. Download a properly current one.
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23:06:01GrooveStixlet us see...
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23:09:33GrooveStixvery nice
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23:17:23GrooveStixthanks a lot, and byr
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23:50:41The-ComilerI like to use my own-written WPS, but since the WPS tokenizer-update i get a data abort when i use it. This is the WPS:
23:52:26Nico_PThe-Comiler: does the data abort happen when you want to play music ?
23:52:45The-ComilerNico_P: Yes, it do
23:52:55bluebrotherThe-Comiler, what player? Ipod?
23:53:03The-ComileriPod 5.5G 30GB
23:53:15bluebrotherdo you have a recent bootloader?
23:53:28The-ComilerI use the iPodLoader 2.5d
23:53:49The-ComilerBut the error happens with the Rockbox-Bootloader, too
23:54:16bluebrotherwith a recent RB bootloader?
23:54:22bluebrotheror an old one?
23:54:29Nico_PThe-Comiler: I'm going to have a look at that wps
23:54:56The-ComilerThe recent (It support waiting to the coprocessor)
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23:57:17pixelmaThe-Comiler: does the error happen only with your wps, have you tried one of the included?
23:57:20Nico_PThe-Comiler: that WPS works for me
23:57:46The-Comilerpixelma: All others works
23:58:07Nico_PThe-Comiler: do you have the latest version of rockbox ?
23:58:16pixelmawhat font do you use? (just seems way too many lines with a reasonable font height for the Ipod video display)
23:58:51bluebrotherThe-Comiler: btw, your nick is broken ;-)
23:58:59The-ComilerNico_P: I've tested it with a RB-version of ca. one week

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