00:00:07 | The-Comiler | pixelma: namil-8.fnt |
00:00:26 | pixelma | ah ok... 8 point should work |
00:03:03 | The-Comiler | I'll try it with the svn-build soon, but atm I load a backup to my ipod (6.5GB) |-) |
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00:05:22 | bluebrother | did your disk crash? Restoring a complete backup of the player? |
00:08:40 | The-Comiler | bluebrother: No, I make a backup from my Datas |
00:09:04 | The-Comiler | *datas |
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00:09:18 | bluebrother | ah. I usually do it the other way: I have all music on the pc and copy the files I want to listen to ... |
00:10:04 | The-Comiler | bluebrother: I make the backup, because I like to install a new version of Ubuntu Linux |
00:10:23 | The-Comiler | ah, it's finished |
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00:11:31 | bluebrother | looks like it gets interesting now ;-) |
00:12:11 | The-Comiler | It works! :) |
00:12:45 | bluebrother | nice. |
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00:13:57 | The-Comiler | a second question: may I use the rockbox-logo for my rockbox-podcast? |
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00:17:44 | * | bluebrother doesn't know about that legal stuff |
00:17:57 | chrisjs169 | how could i make the scrollwheel light up on hdd activity like in this build - http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9581.0 |
00:18:03 | chrisjs169 | (sansa) |
00:18:39 | pixelma | I believe there is a patch in the tracker (not sure though) |
00:18:42 | bluebrother | by appling the correct patch |
00:18:53 | bluebrother | ask him about the sources or tracker entries. |
00:18:56 | chrisjs169 | ok |
00:19:25 | * | bluebrother doesn't understand why those "patchers" seldomly mention the tracker task number |
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00:19:42 | ptw419 | gigaeat |
00:19:48 | ptw419 | oops wrong window |
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00:22:07 | pixelma | ptw419: hungry? ;) |
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00:23:28 | amiconn | weeeeee |
00:23:52 | * | amiconn just recorded is first few seconds of pcm wav on an archos recorder :D |
00:25:31 | bluebrother | cool :) |
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00:26:57 | amiconn | It's still buggy (clicky, and swapping bytes after a few seconds, yielding white noise) |
00:27:51 | amiconn | Also, nearly everything is hardcoded atm (44.1kHz, stereo, 16bit, fixed gain), and there's no real buffer handling |
00:28:11 | chrisjs169 | couldn't find anything in the tracker (searched for sansa, virtual, scrollwheel, hdd) |
00:29:48 | pixelma | me neither, guess I didn't remember correctly. Sorry |
00:30:49 | chrisjs169 | no problem. If only that 'patcher' was still active |
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00:35:09 | barrywardell | chrisjs169: JdGordon had that working earlier IIRC |
00:36:04 | chrisjs169 | barrywardell: hmm...any idea where I could find that? IRC logs maybe? (assuming it was on here) |
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00:37:09 | barrywardell | yeah, he was talking about it on IRC today or yesterday. not sure if he posted a patch though |
00:37:53 | chrisjs169 | barrywardell: ok, thanks, i'll try checking the logs to see if there's anything |
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00:41:11 | pixelma | hah... digged it up for you (check log of 26th of march |
00:42:16 | pixelma | chrisjs169: at around 16:44.... ) |
00:44:12 | barrywardell | speaking of digging in the logs, is there any better way than google for searching them? |
00:44:43 | markun | I don't think so, but it would be very nice |
00:44:44 | PaulJam | you could download them and use something like grep |
00:45:20 | pixelma | yes that's what I have here - downloaded the raw logs and grep |
00:45:39 | barrywardell | I think it would be handy to have a search function on the Rockbox site. Things like sorting by date would be handy |
00:45:44 | markun | pixelma: how big are they all together? |
00:45:52 | pixelma | raw logs are here now http://www.rockbox.org/irc/listlogs.pl |
00:46:10 | barrywardell | it's not ideal to have to download all the logs just to search for one thing though |
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00:46:40 | pixelma | markun: there are about 150 MB atm |
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00:49:07 | pixelma | barrywardell: it's not that bad once you have started doing that and only have to update from time to time |
00:49:51 | barrywardell | true, but it would still be easier for lazy people like me to not have to |
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00:50:34 | chrisjs169 | pixelma: looks like it's it, thanks |
00:51:11 | pixelma | well yes, a search on the site would be nice too |
00:52:25 | markun | zgrep looks useful.. |
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01:05:20 | amiconn | The white noise was just a silly mistake by me... :) |
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01:07:39 | JdGordon | hey amiconn, did my menu commit last night fix te bugs? |
01:08:45 | amiconn | yes |
01:11:27 | JdGordon | thought it might.. such a silly mistake :p |
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01:11:56 | JdGordon | oh well... hopefully the menu code and the icon code is all stable now and I can work on not failing uni :p |
01:13:22 | amiconn | The wav icon on archos looks like gibberish... but it worked a few days ago... |
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01:13:58 | amiconn | (popped up while testing wav recording) |
01:14:31 | JdGordon | so much for the icon code being finished then :p |
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01:14:45 | JdGordon | archos doesnt have wav as an inbuilt type right? |
01:14:52 | amiconn | correct |
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01:15:09 | amiconn | Not yet, that is |
01:15:26 | JdGordon | using the default icons for main and viewers? |
01:15:35 | amiconn | yup |
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01:18:24 | JdGordon | hmm... just looked at the sim... its not showin any icon for .wav |
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01:18:39 | JdGordon | but it is registered and tries to load wav2wv.rock.. |
01:18:44 | amiconn | No, only the target does |
01:19:02 | amiconn | It's associated with wavplay, which can't work on the sim |
01:19:19 | JdGordon | the icon should show up though |
01:20:40 | amiconn | Hmmmm.... it's not gibberish, but not the right icon either |
01:21:11 | amiconn | It shows icon #1 (roughly looks like a waveform when enlarged, but like gibberish on the target lcd) |
01:21:14 | amiconn | #10 |
01:21:34 | amiconn | It should show icon #9 (double note with 2 bars) |
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01:22:51 | amiconn | SO the code is okay, but the icon isn't what I'd expect... |
01:27:11 | JdGordon | you might have to reorder viewers.config... |
01:27:20 | JdGordon | im actually surprised its showing any icon.. |
01:27:43 | amiconn | why? |
01:27:53 | JdGordon | because the fist two icons for wav are - |
01:28:02 | amiconn | They aren't |
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01:28:09 | JdGordon | when the viewers.config file is read it only reads the first icon for an extension |
01:28:21 | amiconn | There are just 2 entries for .wav on hwcodec, both linked to icon #10 |
01:28:45 | JdGordon | oh, hmm... nuts :p |
01:28:49 | amiconn | Remember that buildzip.pl cuts lines for non-existing viewers from viewers.config, making it target specific |
01:29:03 | JdGordon | yep, forgot that |
01:29:30 | JdGordon | ok I gotta get readyf or uni now.. ttyl |
01:31:14 | yuriks | the menu icons are always black (don't change with the fg color), is that normal behaviour? or a bug? |
01:31:32 | Llorean | yuriks: Normal right now. |
01:31:40 | yuriks | O_o |
01:31:40 | Llorean | Not desired, but expected. |
01:32:26 | Llorean | Well, technically they're color icons, they're just one-color. Which means they don't get treated as "mono" like they did before. |
01:33:00 | yuriks | hrm |
01:33:11 | yuriks | so someone just needs to provide color icons? |
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01:43:01 | amiconn | Now the wav recording is glitch free ... :) |
01:43:39 | amiconn | Just need to fix buffer saving... it now runs away on Ondio |
01:44:18 | amiconn | (increasing size with each loop iteration, dropping parts of the recording when exceeding buffer size) |
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01:52:56 | Nico_P | amiconn: did you see my question on sscanf ? about the problems I had with it on the sim |
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01:59:05 | amiconn | The sim is supposed to use the rockbox implementation of standard functions whenever possible |
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02:02:49 | Nico_P | amiconn: the problem is it uses it for things not related to rockbox |
02:03:01 | iNSOMNiAX | I have encoded some videos using winavi with the suggested encoding settings. The video plays fine for the first 3 minutes after that sound goes out but video continues then I stop playing video and player crashes. Any way to fix it? |
02:03:03 | Nico_P | according to the backtrace I got |
02:06:53 | amiconn | ? |
02:06:54 | Llorean | iNSOMNiAX: Does that problem have with the official Rockbox sample video (Elephant's Dream)? |
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02:07:13 | iNSOMNiAX | let me try it |
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02:26:38 | Nico_P | amiconn: there is a call to the rockbox sscanf by a function in libasound.so |
02:27:08 | Nico_P | i.e. the rockbox sscanf is used not only by rockbox code, which is a problem |
02:27:40 | amiconn | Ah... so sscanf is a candidate for prefix mangling |
02:27:58 | amiconn | (like open, close, read etc) |
02:28:37 | Nico_P | amiconn: what is prefix mangling ? |
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02:31:03 | webguest16 | hi is anyone here? |
02:31:31 | webguest16 | hmm.... |
02:31:37 | Nico_P | webguest16: hi |
02:31:41 | webguest16 | oh |
02:31:43 | webguest16 | hi |
02:31:53 | webguest16 | hey i got a question? |
02:32:04 | webguest16 | can u plz help me with something? |
02:32:20 | webguest16 | i'm trying to install doom on my ipod |
02:32:32 | Nico_P | ask the question... if someone knows the answer they'll give it |
02:32:37 | webguest16 | but i'm not really sure how can u please help? |
02:32:59 | Nico_P | webguest16: all you need is a .wad file in the right place |
02:33:13 | webguest16 | ok where can i get that? |
02:33:22 | webguest16 | i got like 2 of them |
02:33:25 | webguest16 | i think... |
02:33:34 | Nico_P | webguest16: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
02:33:43 | webguest16 | where do they have to be? |
02:33:50 | webguest16 | like wut folder? |
02:34:00 | webguest16 | it says missing base wad |
02:34:08 | Nico_P | webguest16: they have to be in /.rockbox/doom/ |
02:34:17 | Nico_P | all the info you need is in the page I linked |
02:34:19 | webguest16 | is that a folder? |
02:34:33 | webguest16 | kk |
02:34:39 | Nico_P | webguest16: yes, it's a "doom" subfolder of your ".rockbox" folder |
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02:35:09 | webguest16 | ill try it ....not very good with computers.....sorry |
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02:39:24 | webguest16 | ok i tried it again.....and no luck not very good im not very good at this can u please help me a little more |
02:40:13 | Nico_P | webguest16: are you sure you have the right wad files ? where did you put them ? |
02:40:47 | webguest16 | i downloaded these 2 things called (rockdoom.wad and doom1.wad) |
02:41:01 | webguest16 | and i put them in the rocks folder |
02:41:23 | webguest16 | is that it? |
02:41:27 | webguest16 | no right? |
02:41:31 | webguest16 | i suck! |
02:42:08 | sneakums | which gigabeat(s) be upgraded to 80gb? is the f40 one? |
02:42:45 | webguest16 | whoa!! i dont really understand that .....plz explain a little more? |
02:43:10 | webguest16 | i got a 30gb ipod |
02:43:15 | webguest16 | thats all i no |
02:43:26 | webguest16 | a 30gb ipod video |
02:44:12 | webguest16 | about how many gigabytes do i need for this? |
02:44:22 | webguest16 | i got like 8gb free |
02:44:31 | Nico_P | webguest16: what sneakumssaid was unrelated to doom |
02:44:39 | webguest16 | oh |
02:44:41 | webguest16 | ok |
02:45:14 | webguest16 | so those are the only thing i downloaded |
02:45:22 | webguest16 | where do they have to be? |
02:45:33 | Nico_P | webguest16: as I said, in /.rockbox/doom/ |
02:45:51 | webguest16 | i put them in the rocks folder |
02:45:57 | webguest16 | is that right? |
02:46:00 | webguest16 | no? |
02:46:02 | Nico_P | or, if you are using windows, X:\.rockbox\doom\ where X is your ipod |
02:46:06 | Nico_P | webguest16: no |
02:46:17 | webguest16 | thought so..... |
02:46:49 | webguest16 | are they the only thing i need to download? |
02:46:55 | webguest16 | only those 2? |
02:47:07 | Nico_P | webguest16: yes |
02:47:13 | webguest16 | YES!!! |
02:47:36 | Nico_P | then you run the doom plugin from the plugins menu |
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02:48:04 | webguest16 | ok uuuuuhhhhhh......so whre can i put those file thing or whatever they are?in the rocks folder where all the other games are? |
02:48:42 | Nico_P | webguest16: what do you mean ? |
02:48:58 | webguest16 | yeah i put them whrer the other games are |
02:49:10 | webguest16 | the rocks folder |
02:49:15 | Nico_P | if you are asking where to put the wad files, I already told you where... and that's all you need to do |
02:49:25 | webguest16 | kk |
02:50:12 | webguest16 | yeah the thing is i dont see any folder called ( /.rockbox/doom/) |
02:50:24 | Nico_P | webguest16: you need to create it |
02:50:40 | webguest16 | wherre do i need to create it? |
02:50:48 | webguest16 | in the rocks folder |
02:50:59 | webguest16 | where the games sare? |
02:51:01 | Nico_P | you need to create a doom subfolder in the .rockbox folder |
02:51:12 | Nico_P | what is it whith the rockx folder ? |
02:51:28 | webguest16 | ok and its called doom right thats the name of the folder? |
02:51:37 | Nico_P | the rocks folder is where the PLUGINS are, not the games |
02:51:44 | Nico_P | webguest16: yes |
02:51:58 | webguest16 | ok |
02:52:04 | webguest16 | let me try again |
02:55:53 | webguest16 | ok hold on let me check if its right now |
02:57:16 | webguest16 | ok i'm on the game and .........why is it oplaying by itself ? |
02:57:29 | Nico_P | webguest16: that's the demo mode |
02:57:56 | webguest16 | ok then what do i do? i just clicked play game |
02:58:06 | Nico_P | webguest16: that ought to be it |
02:58:19 | webguest16 | ok let me start over |
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02:59:57 | webguest16 | nope DAMN!!!!! I REALLY SUCK !!!!!!..........its playing by itself again........and i clicked on play game "not on demo or demos or whatever" |
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03:01:44 | webguest16 | uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.................anybody on????? |
03:01:59 | kkurbjun | which player are you using? |
03:02:06 | webguest16 | oh hi |
03:02:13 | webguest16 | oplayer? |
03:02:23 | webguest16 | what u mean? |
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03:02:36 | kkurbjun | ipod, gigabeat, h300, etc... |
03:03:00 | webguest16 | an ipod video 39gb |
03:03:04 | webguest16 | 30gb |
03:03:05 | kkurbjun | toggle hold |
03:03:13 | webguest16 | kk |
03:03:32 | zerro129 | hi, i have a 5th gen ipod video, and before i install rockbox i have some quastions |
03:03:35 | kkurbjun | while its in demo mode |
03:03:42 | kkurbjun | and that will bring up the menu in doom |
03:03:47 | webguest16 | some menu showed up |
03:03:50 | zerro129 | and i was wondering if someone could help answere them? |
03:03:57 | kkurbjun | yep, now select new game |
03:04:21 | webguest16 | y cant i select anything else/ |
03:04:24 | webguest16 | ???? |
03:04:28 | webguest16 | can i? |
03:04:33 | kkurbjun | you can |
03:04:33 | webguest16 | just axin? |
03:04:40 | webguest16 | how? |
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03:04:53 | kkurbjun | press up in the menu to move around |
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03:05:25 | zerro129 | first once rockbox is installed, when i connect my ipod to my pc can i just add mp3 files to the ipod from my desktop, or do i still need to use itunes? |
03:05:30 | webguest16 | ok i can go up but not down no worries though i can select the other stuff too |
03:06:31 | webguest16 | ok thanks i can play now |
03:06:38 | webguest16 | thanks alot |
03:06:44 | webguest16 | =) |
03:07:35 | zerro129 | can someone answere my question please? |
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03:09:50 | woodensoul | Hello, can anyone here help me out with Gigabeat boot problems? |
03:10:04 | Alonea | woodensoul: whats wrong? |
03:12:45 | Nico_P | zerro129: no, you don't need itunes |
03:13:44 | p | anyone have any suggestions for a good linux distro? |
03:14:32 | woodensoul | Updated to the the current build this morning while the player was in the dock. Update went fine. Turned player off and plug icon appeared since it was still plugged in to the AC power. Just tried to turn on the player and it just hangs at the Rockbox boot screen, Rockbox never loads. Plugging into USB does nothing and it doesn't show up in Windows. I had to switch off the battery in order to try again. |
03:14:48 | Thundercloud | p: Debian. No contest. |
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03:15:53 | zerro129 | thanks Nico_P :) |
03:16:03 | Nico_P | p: *ubuntu |
03:16:34 | Nico_P | woodensoul: do you have the new bootloader ? |
03:16:40 | p | thanks |
03:18:17 | woodensoul | I guess there was a new bootloader released yesterday for the Gigabeat that I was unaware of. Would that be why it refuses to boot with the newest build? |
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03:24:46 | Nico_P | woodensoul: You need to update the bootloader to be able to use new versions |
03:24:58 | Nico_P | woodensoul: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges |
03:26:52 | woodensoul | I was disconnected if anyone gave me any suggestions... Why is the lag so bad here and why do I constantly get disconnected? |
03:27:28 | woodensoul | I can't access the player via USB, how can I update to the new bootloader? |
03:27:33 | Nico_P | woodensoul: there were no suggestions whil you were offline |
03:27:52 | Nico_P | woodensoul: you should be able to reach the bootloader usb mode |
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03:33:54 | woodensoul | Disconnected again. I can't reach bootloader USB mode either. If I plug in the USB and then turn it on, the same happens. |
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03:34:35 | Nico_P | woodensoul: then you might need to have the bootloadr restore the original firmware and then connect your gigabeat with that |
03:35:05 | Nico_P | I can't remember which key you need to press to get the OF back.. maybe menu of A |
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03:41:58 | woodensoul | Tried to hold "A" button while turning it on. Got this message "Error! Failed to load original firmware: file not found. Loading rockbox" Then I plugged in the USB cable. Nothing happened. |
03:43:02 | Nico_P | woodensoul: you can try holding menu... this should get you in rescue mode |
03:43:25 | Nico_P | then plug the usb cable (directly, not through the cradle) |
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03:45:02 | woodensoul | OK, got rescue mode, but now what? USB is plugged in, but nothing happens |
03:46:10 | Nico_P | woodensoul: the usb cable is plugged directly in the gigabeat ? no cradle ? |
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03:46:53 | woodensoul | OK, I chose to restore the original kernal and got it to boot to the OF. |
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03:49:58 | Nico_P | woodensoul: then you can put the new bootloader exactly like when you first installed rockbox |
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03:51:26 | woodensoul | Nico_P: I just updated to the newest bootloader and I'm still getting the same results. It hangs at the Rockbox screen. |
03:51:55 | Nico_P | woodensoul: have you done the battery ON/OFF trick ? |
03:52:10 | Nico_P | woodensoul: and what kind of build are you using ? |
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03:59:18 | woodensoul | I did do the battery switch step. I'm using the official "current build". And actually now everything is fine. I must have accidentally copied the old bootloader again. This time I made sure to copy the new one. Thanks for your help! |
03:59:35 | Nico_P | woodensoul: you're welcome |
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04:02:41 | woodensoul | By the way, that's a pretty slick feature to have a rescue mode to allow the original kernal to be restored. Thanks for all you guys do! |
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04:19:05 | deweycooter | I have an idea for a new feature - I don't think I've seen it before. Voiceovers - every 3 or 4 songs, play a station identification type file. |
04:19:42 | woodensoul | Is there a list of which buttons to press during boot to do certain functions? Such as: VOLUME UP to restore kernal, A to load OF, etc.? |
04:20:00 | deweycooter | I've been lurking around in the code base a bit, just wondering if someone might be able to point me in the right direction. |
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04:29:37 | TrueJournals | deweycooter: unfortunately, I cannot help with that... but, just curious as to why you would want to do that...? |
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04:33:22 | deweycooter | TrueJournals: Because I can? :) I'll be playing my music over a pretty powerful system, just a way to personalize it a bit. If you get really curious: http://www.teambadmonkey.com/images/2005/0669243-R1-042-19A.jpg |
04:35:08 | TrueJournals | Ah, OK... good luck |
04:35:10 | TrueJournals | gotta go |
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05:30:39 | Leetlandon | Hey, Im having trouble installing patches |
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05:32:00 | Leetlandon | Hey, Im having trouble installing patches |
05:34:30 | Leetlandon | Dammit.. |
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05:45:16 | joshin | Yup, I'm inspired to try and help. |
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06:30:55 | Leetlandon | Hey, im having trouble doing a patch |
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06:42:30 | Leetlandon | Hello. |
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06:47:18 | Leetlandon | Hey. |
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06:48:39 | pearldiver | Leetlandon just shoot the question / describe your problem |
06:48:54 | pearldiver | no need to greet the sleeping crowd 18 times :P |
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06:52:05 | Leetlandon | How do you install plug ins? |
06:52:21 | Leetlandon | Patches* |
06:52:29 | scorche | what plugin are you trying to "install"? |
06:52:45 | scorche | read the wiki page SimpleGuideToCompiling |
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06:54:10 | Leetlandon | Thanks. |
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06:56:46 | Leetlandon | Can you help me walkthrough this? |
06:57:12 | Leetlandon | Im trying to install the doom control plugin for the sansa. |
06:57:19 | Leetlandon | Patch. |
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06:59:03 | scorche | why do you need me to provide you a walkthrough?...that page tells you everything you must do...including the exact syntax of the commands |
06:59:50 | scorche | if you wish, i can copy and paste that page to you and call that a walkthrough.. |
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07:00:57 | Leetlandon | Alright, sorry, I was confused, I got it now. |
07:01:13 | Leetlandon | I put the patch in the rockbox dir? |
07:01:31 | scorche | did you even read that page? |
07:01:55 | Leetlandon | Never saw anything about it... |
07:02:04 | scorche | about what? |
07:02:32 | Leetlandon | Got it! |
07:03:31 | Leetlandon | Wait, do I need to redo the entire bootloading process to do this? |
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07:03:47 | scorche | does it say that in that page? |
07:04:51 | Leetlandon | No clue.... |
07:05:03 | scorche | then read the page and find out.. |
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07:07:55 | Leetlandon | Alrgiht got it.... |
07:07:57 | Leetlandon | I think. |
07:08:16 | Leetlandon | I put in patch -binary.. etc and it just went to a new line, is that good? |
07:08:58 | scorche | stop trying to find a workaround |
07:09:00 | scorche | read |
07:09:01 | scorche | the |
07:09:02 | scorche | page |
07:10:46 | Leetlandon | Create a new folder for the compiling by typing mkdir folder, where folder is the name of the folder (I tend to call it build). This folder should be inside the Rockbox source folder. Enter that folder by typing cd folder, where folder is the name you chose for the folder In that folder type ../tools/configure which will bring up a list of all possible devices Select your device by typing in the corresponding number Next |
07:11:11 | scorche | have you already done the previous steps? |
07:11:13 | Leetlandon | Where it says ../tools/configure, I get no such file or directory |
07:11:23 | Leetlandon | Yeah, I have. |
07:11:48 | scorche | you have set up a cygwin, vmware, or colinux environment and are doing those steps inside that? |
07:12:06 | Leetlandon | Inside what? |
07:12:14 | Leetlandon | Yep. |
07:12:21 | scorche | the cygwin, vmware, or colinux environment |
07:12:38 | Leetlandon | Yeah. |
07:13:05 | Leetlandon | Would it matter if the plugin had rockbox/apps/etc and the dir is .rockbox/etc? |
07:13:10 | scorche | and you have aquired the source code through svn or through a tarball? |
07:13:58 | Leetlandon | I have the .zip from the daily build. |
07:14:36 | scorche | with the source or the binary? |
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07:15:25 | Leetlandon | binary. |
07:15:50 | Leetlandon | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/sansae200/rockbox-sansae200.zip |
07:16:15 | scorche | you cant do anything with that |
07:16:23 | Leetlandon | Alright, what do I use? |
07:16:32 | scorche | that page tells you |
07:17:32 | Leetlandon | svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox ? is that for all models? |
07:17:49 | scorche | yes...that is the entire source code |
07:18:41 | Leetlandon | bash: svn command not found |
07:19:12 | scorche | if you dont have svn, then you didnt install cygwin correctly |
07:19:36 | Leetlandon | Got it. |
07:20:09 | Leetlandon | Sorry for being such a pain, really used to open source stuff |
07:21:34 | scorche | that is fine...all i ask is that you read what i tell you to read and dont assume things, skip directions, or move outside those directions....but then again, if you did that, you wouldnt need any help =P |
07:23:46 | Leetlandon | WTF |
07:23:56 | Leetlandon | Is there supposed to be Daily commands in cygen? |
07:24:04 | scorche | huh? |
07:24:17 | Leetlandon | Now, type daily filename.tar.tar, where filename is the name of the file... obviously |
07:24:21 | Leetlandon | ? |
07:24:46 | scorche | where does it say that? |
07:25:24 | Leetlandon | Unzipping the tar file. |
07:25:49 | scorche | if you use svn, you dont need to unzip a tar file |
07:26:41 | Leetlandon | Yeah, im getting it. |
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07:31:50 | Leetlandon | Installing..... |
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07:33:24 | Leetlandon | Still doesnt work. |
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07:37:11 | Leetlandon | Downloading it from a seperate source manually. |
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07:49:50 | Leetlandon | arm-elf-gcc command not found. |
07:52:27 | scorche | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment |
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08:33:02 | Leetlandon | Alrighty, still... same error |
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08:42:36 | Leetlandon | Okay, im compilling now, but im getting LOTS of warnings |
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09:04:19 | amiconn | Now even the Ondio can keep up with simultaneous pcm recording transfer + saving |
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09:16:27 | * | amiconn test-recorded 4 tracks (18 minutes) as CD quality WAV on his Ondio FM - 100% glitch free :) |
09:17:31 | B4gder | and then you ran out of "disk" ? :-P |
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09:25:34 | amiconn | Bagder: Nah, still 500MB available |
09:25:42 | * | amiconn did this test on his 4GB MMC |
09:26:00 | B4gder | ;-) I just find recording to wav a funny thing to do on a flash based device |
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10:09:49 | GodEater | ooh, just noticed the major change mentioning the new Gigabeat bootloader. Is there a brief description of what it changes and why it's now a requirement ? |
10:11:05 | krazykit | GodEater, not brief, but http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6929 |
10:11:32 | GodEater | thanks |
10:12:28 | krazykit | in short, it seems that some changes in both the bootloader and rockbox.gigabeat necessitate it in the purpose of improvement and being more uniform |
10:12:55 | krazykit | i don't have time to test it for a few days yet though. i really ought to be writing my paper so i can go to sleep |
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10:23:32 | B4gder | I decided I'll make an attempt to do the build zip downloads to the master in another thread |
10:23:44 | B4gder | during the commit builds i mean |
10:23:58 | B4gder | but only queue up 1 transfer |
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10:25:38 | JdGordon | why only queue 1 transfer? |
10:25:54 | B4gder | because otherwise a superfast server with superslow network will still slow things down |
10:26:08 | JdGordon | ah ok |
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10:27:43 | markun | It's really tiring to see people adding false information again to the Gigabeat wikipedia article |
10:27:55 | B4gder | the main benefit with this change would be that servers can start the next build without waiting for the previous upload to complete |
10:28:06 | GodEater | that's a good idea |
10:28:38 | GodEater | markun: I've just read the tracker page about the new GB bootloader, and I'm still none-the-wiser about why the new bootloader is required for new rockbox builds |
10:29:21 | * | amiconn summons [IDC]Dragon |
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10:30:31 | markun | GodEater: it's because a checksum was added to the rockbox kernel for the Gigabeat (it was already like this for all other targets) |
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10:31:59 | markun | do you wiser now? |
10:32:07 | markun | are you even :) |
10:32:18 | GodEater | that makes perfect sense :) |
10:32:33 | GodEater | I'm not sure if I'm wiser now, but I have more of a clue :) |
10:33:53 | GodEater | I've noticed activity in a forum thread around customising the flash loader on the GB too - are we any closer to getting a bootloader in flash on the GB yet? Or is that still an inestimable length of time away ? |
10:34:39 | markun | inestimable as usual |
10:35:07 | GodEater | is toffe having any luck with the JTAG? |
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10:35:46 | markun | I don't think he tried it yet |
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11:33:20 | crop | Hello. What is the difference between "word wrap" and "wide mode" settings in the viewer plugin? |
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11:34:20 | crop | And what does "reflow lines" do? My dap (h120) froze yesterday after I've chosen that option. |
11:36:13 | PaulJam | isn't this covered in the manual? |
11:36:53 | crop | PaulJam: I haven't looked. I only looked in the wiki. |
11:38:44 | crop | PaulJam: not, there is no explanation for "reflow" in the manual. |
11:40:00 | PaulJam | i have no idea what this reflow does, but it crashes the uisim here. |
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11:40:43 | crop | He-he, so I'm not alone! |
11:40:53 | dionoea | "We are not alone!" |
11:42:16 | bluebrother | I guess "reflow" discards single line breaks and rewraps the text |
11:44:44 | crop | bluebrother: isn't it what "join" does? So join acts like a web browser. |
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11:45:07 | bluebrother | maybe. Not sure ... |
11:45:27 | bluebrother | and a web browser always breaks at (html) line breaks ;-) |
11:46:09 | bluebrother | but from the wording I could guess join only joins the lines while reflow also rewraps them |
11:46:40 | bluebrother | haven't (and can't) check right now |
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11:50:22 | PaulJam | seems as if reflow just adds some space at the start of every line/paragraph. |
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11:57:10 | daurnimator | JdGordon: you about? |
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11:59:21 | PaulJam | does the player still shutdown after the idle timeout while watching an mpeg video? |
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12:04:38 | crop | Reflow seems to be similar to join (i.e. replace eol's with spaces) but not exactly the same. I can't tell exactly what the difference is since it doesn't work :-( |
12:04:53 | Llorean | PaulJam: As I said, it doesn't for me, and never did. |
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12:05:42 | Llorean | PaulJam: Did you ever go back and check what your idle timeout was set to, because if I recall you said it shutdown after ~5 minutes, which I think is less than th default idle timeout |
12:06:27 | amiconn | mpegplayer does still shutdown at idle timeout |
12:06:46 | amiconn | I always lower the default; 10 minutes are too long imho |
12:06:55 | amiconn | My standard idle timeout is 3 minutes |
12:07:00 | Llorean | What players does it shutdown at idle on? |
12:07:17 | amiconn | ?? |
12:07:30 | Llorean | Well, I've watched a 2 hour 30 minute movie without it shutting down on me. |
12:07:53 | dionoea | shuts down on my player |
12:08:16 | amiconn | Then you probably have the idle timeout set higher than the rebuffer intervals in mpegplayer (which in turn depend on bitrate and amount of target ram) |
12:08:42 | Llorean | Ah, yes, my lowest bitrate files are 400, which is rebuffering less than 10 minutes apart. |
12:08:49 | amiconn | On archos it works in video.rock by chance, since rebuffer interval is < 1 minute |
12:09:11 | amiconn | Otherwise the same problem would exist there (and does on 8MB-modded archoses) |
12:09:38 | Llorean | So, is there any way for plugins to say "I'm not idle"? |
12:10:06 | amiconn | The problem is that the powermgmt code decides when to shutdown based on user activity, disk activity and playback status |
12:10:15 | dionoea | can't they change the idl time out like they cahnge the backlight setting? |
12:10:19 | dionoea | and reset it when done |
12:10:24 | pixelma | same problem exists with midiplay btw... |
12:10:43 | amiconn | Playback status is set to "stopped" while plugins are playing (like wavplay.rock, video.rock, mpegplayer.rock) |
12:10:53 | Llorean | amiconn: So can't a plugin claim "playback status" somehow, or is that handled directly by somewhere in the actual playback code? |
12:11:18 | amiconn | Yes, the powermgmt code needs a way to tell it that some external playback is running |
12:11:49 | amiconn | It's a bit dirty anyway that powermgmt checks the playback state more or less directly |
12:12:17 | amiconn | It should probably have a function to tell it the status, and the playback/recording engines and plugins then would use that interface |
12:12:34 | Llorean | Just something basic like the boost counter? |
12:12:48 | amiconn | Just a flag would be enough |
12:13:01 | Llorean | I'm not sure. |
12:13:17 | dionoea | a flag might be dangerous if you have a plugin claming playback while music is also playing in the background |
12:13:21 | Llorean | Playback plus a plugin that wants no idle off (battery_bench comes to mind, for testing idle battery life) |
12:14:07 | Nico_P | amiconn: yesterday you said something about prefix mangling... could you explain what it is ? |
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12:24:08 | * | JdGordon joins very late in the convo... but... couldnt we just add a function to disable auto-off? and expect the calling plugin to reenable it before exiting? |
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12:26:06 | B4gder | or simply always re-enable on exit |
12:26:11 | Llorean | JdGordon: That's definitely one way to do it, yeah. |
12:26:14 | Llorean | B4gder: I like that. |
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12:35:19 | crop | I'd be against adding such function. There might be other settings that a plugin wants to deactivate and that would need to be restored after exit (in the plugin loading code). Where is the red line? |
12:36:24 | amiconn | B4gder: Well, the idle power off could be handled like this, but imho that'd be a somewhat dirty method |
12:36:54 | B4gder | why? |
12:37:12 | B4gder | imho, it makes sense that the core makes sure some things are fine after a plugin exits |
12:37:19 | amiconn | Well, currently there's a non-obvious interaction between playback and powermanagement |
12:38:27 | Llorean | Well, you either have a flag, that a plugin can set, and always gets unset after, that's independent of the normal playback check from powermgmt, or you have some sort of counter like the boost on that both playback and plugins may increment, and decrement when they stop. |
12:39:13 | amiconn | crop: Imho plugins are responsible for their actions. E.g. when they disable backlight timeout, they need to reenable it on exit. Likewise for other things, like telling the core that they're busy playing back something |
12:39:53 | amiconn | Llorean: Yes, didn't think about playback in parallel (mostly because that won't happen on hwcodec) |
12:40:41 | amiconn | Nico_P: I said "like open, close, read etc" |
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12:40:57 | Llorean | amiconn: Yeah, it's not a normal case, because I can't think of any of the normal plugins that don't require nearly constant user interaction *and* allow playback, other than battery_bench |
12:41:10 | crop | amiconn: yes, that's also my opinion. My question was: which settings are we going to restore in the plugin loader (if we go that way, which I think we shouldn't) |
12:41:12 | Nico_P | amiconn: I think I found out what you meant... I'm trying to applysomething similar to sscanf |
12:41:17 | amiconn | The sim needs to mangle the names in order to prevent non-rockbox components to use the rockbox lib versions of these, and vice versa |
12:41:17 | Llorean | Most plugins seem to expect the user to be pressing buttons fairly frequently anyway |
12:42:01 | amiconn | So there's some magic that prepends "sim_" to them |
12:42:57 | amiconn | Llorean: Yes. There are only a few plugins which don't, and still should keep the player alive: mpegplayer, video.rock, wavplay (and soon wavrecord :) ) |
12:43:09 | Llorean | amiconn: And battery_bench (in my opinion) |
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12:43:37 | Llorean | But yes, it's not a common case. |
12:44:22 | amiconn | wavplay and wavrecord will be removed one day, and it works for them by chance (as it does for video.rock on standard boxes) |
12:45:06 | Llorean | And mpegplayer if your total bitrate is over a certain point (I'm guessing 350ish, but I don't know the total buffer size) |
12:45:23 | Llorean | Assuming default idle poweroff (which I do agree is a bit high) |
12:45:32 | amiconn | Only if you have the default idle timeout set |
12:46:00 | amiconn | But the mentioned plugins work on (standard) archoses even with the minimum (1 minute) |
12:46:34 | Llorean | Well, they deal with lots of rebuffering. |
12:46:39 | Llorean | Or buffer flushin to disk |
12:48:00 | amiconn | yep |
12:48:02 | Nico_P | hmm I'm trying to understand what's done in uisimulator/sdl/sprintf.h.... theres a "#define vsnprintf rockbox_vsnprintf" but I can't find rockbox_vsnprintf anywhere... |
12:48:43 | Nico_P | actually it's declared right next to the define in sprint.h, but no definition |
12:48:57 | pixelma | ...and midiplay as it is ATM (guess it's supposed to be in the core one day, too) |
12:49:29 | * | amiconn doesn't expect midiplay to be turned into a codec any time soon :/ |
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12:50:22 | amiconn | Am I right that none of the playback engine experts will show up at devcon? |
12:55:18 | Nico_P | Bagder: maybe you can help me on this... I see a log where you explaied the thing to someone |
12:55:45 | Nico_P | Bagder: but despite that explanation I still don't get it :( |
12:57:35 | crop | Nico_P: is it called? If not then the linker won't complain (IMO) |
12:58:22 | Nico_P | crop: I can't find rockbox_vsnprintf anywhere at all besides in uisimulator/sdl/sprintf.h |
12:58:32 | B4gder | Nico_P: no time atm |
12:58:38 | JdGordon | gcc does complain if a function is defined but not called... |
12:58:50 | JdGordon | unless its in a header somehwere.. then it doesnt |
12:58:58 | amiconn | JdGordon: It only does so if the function is static |
12:59:11 | amiconn | ..and that's only a warning then |
12:59:29 | Nico_P | B4gder: even to tell me where rockbox_vsnprintf is found by the linker ? because IIUC, it's the new name of vsnprintf in the sim so it must be declared somewhere |
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13:02:05 | amiconn | Nico_P: The #define will rename it everywhere where the .h file is included |
13:02:17 | crop | Nico_P: does vsnprintf g et called anywhere? If not there's no reason to complain. |
13:02:45 | Nico_P | amiconn: yes, and it will get renamed to rockbox_vsnprint... but where is that defined ? |
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13:03:14 | amiconn | It's defined where vsnprintf is defined, if the header is included |
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13:03:33 | amiconn | If it's not, then it's simply unused |
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13:04:32 | Nico_P | amiconn: OK, I'm going to try to do exactly the same for sscanf and see if it works... what I'd done wasn't quite the same |
13:05:31 | crop | amiconn: ...which makes me think that this file (=sprintf.h) can be deleted. |
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13:08:38 | Nico_P | woohoo |
13:08:44 | Nico_P | it works ! |
13:09:09 | Nico_P | at least the linker accepted it, now I need to see if it actually works |
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13:10:38 | Nico_P | ...damn, I still get the same problem as before |
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13:34:18 | Nico_P | now it works |
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14:30:33 | Llorean | pondlife: Also, Rockbox doesn't support HE-AAC. |
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14:34:36 | pondlife | Llorean: Fair enough, but does that make it a bug report still? |
14:34:58 | Llorean | pondlife: Well, the original issue is the database crashing |
14:35:09 | Llorean | If it's HE-AAC, then I'm closing it again, if it's the supported type of AAC, I'm not. |
14:35:43 | pondlife | Yes, database crashing caused by MP3 files too. |
14:36:18 | pondlife | ? |
14:36:34 | pondlife | Ah, only after he went to AAC.. |
14:37:55 | Llorean | We'll see what he responds. |
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14:53:44 | JdGordon | zzzzz... im boooorredd! |
14:54:11 | JdGordon | are there any more bugs I should have fixed by now in the icon/menu/root menu code that I've forgotten about?> |
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14:59:25 | leftright | JdGordon, if you're bored you can always fix the playback bugs, a bored person lacks inmagination, thats what my maths teacher always said |
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15:00:09 | JdGordon | bored... not masocitsic.... I choose to stay away from that code as much as I can :) |
15:00:10 | pondlife | JdGordon: That general purpose buffering API? |
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15:01:21 | leftright | time to move to the next level.... |
15:03:32 | JdGordon | pondlife: na... that really will have to wait for devcon imo... gotta get everyone to figure that out together :( |
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15:04:32 | pondlife | Well, thinking about it and making plans beforehand might cure your boredom ;p |
15:05:03 | JdGordon | or bring on early insanity :D |
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15:05:13 | pondlife | bring on? |
15:05:14 | pondlife | ;) |
15:05:42 | leftright | insanity is near to genius |
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15:06:15 | JdGordon | :) |
15:06:51 | pike2k | hi guys |
15:06:57 | pike2k | iriver h120 owner here |
15:07:09 | pike2k | how well does aac playback work these days ? |
15:07:24 | JdGordon | dionoea: hey, you around? |
15:07:39 | dionoea | yup |
15:07:50 | LinusN | pike2k: it works ok for me with the few aac tracks i have |
15:08:28 | pike2k | special padding needed ? ie .mp4 or iso aac ok ? what bitrates ? aac+ ? |
15:08:48 | JdGordon | dionoea: I see you created solataire... I want to get it to move a whole stack from one pile to another without having to select the top card of the stack... any idea where I would do this? |
15:09:04 | dionoea | in the move function i guess |
15:09:22 | LinusN | pike2k: so many questions... i am no aac expert at all, so i have no answers for you |
15:09:50 | dionoea | JdGordon: i'll check the code to be a little more specific |
15:10:11 | JdGordon | cheers |
15:10:14 | pike2k | LinusN, can you atleast tell me if there has been any aac changes the past year ? |
15:10:25 | pike2k | I guess I will have to do my own testing |
15:11:02 | pike2k | I assume it's a "generic" aac decoder so it will suck batteries like a *** |
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15:11:27 | dionoea | JdGordon: well first you'd need to code a function to get the upprtmost visible card in a column |
15:11:30 | dionoea | and then you call move |
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15:12:29 | dionoea | that first function would look kind of like the find_prev_card functions with an extra while and a check on .known |
15:12:39 | dionoea | s/functions/function/ |
15:13:07 | JdGordon | ok, thanks |
15:13:10 | leftright | is there any way a sequenced column could be compressed in slitaire, if the longest row has a comlete column it tends to compress the cards making the cards very small |
15:13:23 | LinusN | pike2k: plenty of changes, among them some mp4 demux fixes, replaygain support, resume support, lots of optimizations |
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15:15:31 | PaulJam | JdGordon: i have maybe a little menubug for you if you are bored. The setting for the lineselector has a little bug (at least in the uisim), if you set it to use the cursor it uses the inverse bar again after restart, and if youset it to cursor and then back to inverse bar, it uses the cursor after restart. |
15:16:20 | JdGordon | PaulJam: I noticed that also... i dont think its a real bug though, just the sim not saving settings for some reason |
15:16:52 | aliask | Can the sim do a clean shutdown? |
15:17:39 | aliask | Holding the off button never seems to make it close, so I just press the x in the corner - but does that perform settings writing etc? |
15:17:46 | PaulJam | JdGordon: i had the impression, that the sim saves the settings immideately after a setting has changed. |
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15:18:12 | JdGordon | it should |
15:18:25 | JdGordon | aliask: no, the sim doesnt do a clean shutdown |
15:19:09 | aliask | Hrm, if it saves after every change then I guess it doesn't really need to... |
15:21:59 | PaulJam | JdGordon: ah, you are right, on the target it seems to behave correctly |
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15:22:36 | JdGordon | LinusN: hey, sorry to bug you, but any chance of alarm wakeup on the h300 any time soon? I'm having to leave it charning and playing overnight so I have a working alaram :( |
15:22:57 | GodEater | buy an alarm clock ? |
15:23:00 | LinusN | JdGordon: i have very little time for rockbox nowadays |
15:23:01 | GodEater | :D |
15:23:10 | LinusN | JdGordon: but the svn bootloader supports it |
15:23:22 | JdGordon | GodEater: thats the easy way out :p |
15:23:27 | JdGordon | LinusN: :( ok no prob |
15:23:34 | LinusN | "all" you have to do is to adapt the ipod code to the h300 |
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15:24:14 | JdGordon | great :p |
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15:27:39 | JdGordon | dionoea: is there anyway to save the game state to make debugging easier? |
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15:29:45 | JdGordon | bah Llorean, you beat me by like 30sec to reply :p |
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15:34:41 | AceNik | hey guys am making a new wps based on looks of vista , i need desperate help with someone who can render photoshop stuff for it |
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15:37:48 | JdGordon | dionoea: bah, once I figured out which move_card() call I needed to play with it was easy :) |
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16:02:08 | dionoea | JdGordon: saving isn't currently possible but it would be cool |
16:02:36 | JdGordon | hmm :( i tihnk ive fixed the one bug I found... |
16:02:51 | JdGordon | but without an easy way to reproduce its a bit hard to test |
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16:06:40 | dionoea | JdGordon: using shortcuts to move cards off the remains stack when the cursor is on the remains stack? |
16:07:15 | JdGordon | the bug? no... moving K from the remains stack onto another stack makes it go very funny... |
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16:07:33 | JdGordon | Ive done a special case for it to make it nice.. possibly could be done better though |
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16:26:07 | JdGordon | builds stalled again? I thought we got over the stalling problem ? :'( |
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16:27:58 | JdGordon | Bagder: care to kick the build servers? |
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16:28:54 | AceNik | JdGordon:what is a ti-basic emulator |
16:29:03 | AceNik | can anyone tell me whether this is a bug or not : |
16:29:15 | pixelma | JdGordon: I don't really understand from the message what the changes should do (especially what should happen when you only want to select a part of the column) |
16:29:20 | Llorean | It'd really be a TI-BASIC interpreter. |
16:30:12 | B4gder | JdGordon: there is script development going on so things change... |
16:30:23 | AceNik | when i update the id3tag of a song , & in rockbox the id3 database update is on , so why does it not show , in the recently added , when a files id3 has bin updated or modified |
16:30:32 | JdGordon | pixelma: if you have a stack 9-2 and you want to move the whole stack onto a 10, before you had to select the 9.. now you can select the 2 and it will move the whole lot |
16:30:41 | JdGordon | B4gder: ah ok |
16:30:56 | B4gder | clearly I had messed up somehow in my recent edits |
16:32:06 | pixelma | JdGordon: and what happens when I only want to move the 2 in this case (for example to free the specific 3)? |
16:32:09 | amiconn | JdGordon: That doesn't always make sense. Sometimes I *do* want to move the partial column |
16:32:33 | pixelma | that's what I meant |
16:32:52 | amiconn | And I really don't see why selecting the 9 (in this case) is a problem... it's just going down once (which will wrap)... |
16:32:53 | JdGordon | it will move the first sub-stack that is legal |
16:33:15 | JdGordon | so if you try moving a 2 onto a 3 only the 2 will move |
16:33:31 | Llorean | AceNik: The database doesn't support updating/modifying files. |
16:34:21 | Llorean | AceNik: The auto-update feature just means finding entirely new files. |
16:34:24 | AceNik | Llorean:can there be a way possible to make it judge the changed files |
16:35:15 | Llorean | AceNik: Yes, if you wanted to make an update take a ridiculously long amount of time because it has to check for changes at each file. |
16:35:29 | JdGordon | now if we could swap the rec and menu buttons on the sansa it would be completly usable with 1 finger |
16:36:05 | AceNik | Llorean: how does it then check for new files being added |
16:36:07 | pixelma | JdGordon: ...if that works correctly... thanks for clearing that up (couldn't imagine from the commit message) |
16:36:17 | AceNik | Llorean: i presume by the dircache ? |
16:36:29 | AceNik | Llorean: or database file |
16:36:33 | Llorean | AceNik: It can use the dircache if it's active, and I believe it's necessary for auto-update. |
16:36:51 | Llorean | AceNik: But the point is, "Is the file there" is different from "Is the file different from last time I looked at it, and if so, how?" |
16:36:53 | JdGordon | pixelma: :) yeah, its too loate to be able to put a proper sentance together |
16:37:20 | Llorean | AceNik: The second one takes more work, and really, is there some reason you're often modifying the database-relevant tags on files? |
16:37:30 | Llorean | I'm thinking that if you get your tags right the first time, it's not exactly a big problem. |
16:37:34 | AceNik | Llorean:by the date stamp it was modified ? |
16:37:37 | JdGordon | B4gder: you've got it delaying the uploads now or different fiddling? |
16:38:06 | B4gder | just preparing to move the uploads to a second thread |
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16:38:18 | AceNik | Llorean:its just that i keep modifying, tags for spelling mistakes i uess everyone might |
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16:38:27 | B4gder | but now I reverted some of my changes that clearly weren't good enough |
16:38:30 | Llorean | AceNik: So check your tags up front, and get them right? |
16:39:30 | AceNik | Llorean:but why are u drifting away from a possible solution to this , it can be implemented in the database , as even winamp supports that feature |
16:39:31 | Llorean | AceNik: The date stamp only tells you that it was modified, not whether the modification matters. As well, some people use MP3 software on their computer to play songs on their disk, updating playcounts in the song tags, which are then modification to the files requiring a database resync when there really isn't needed one for the unused tag. |
16:39:55 | Llorean | AceNik: Because the "solution" means adding complexity, adding the possibility for the database to have many more errors, and solves a "User error" problem. |
16:40:08 | Llorean | If you really need to update songs in a database, simply reinitialize. |
16:40:19 | B4gder | AceNik: winamp does run a somewhat faster PC with more ram and higher disk speed |
16:40:36 | B4gder | in case you hadn't noticed ;-) |
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16:40:40 | AceNik | Llorean:ya i can reinitialise & loose the other recently added files |
16:40:54 | Llorean | Lose? |
16:41:00 | Llorean | How do you lose files by reinitializing? |
16:41:30 | AceNik | B4gder:i know that but im just lookin out for a solution to this , even the recently added feature was made possible by lookin out for solutions , by a counter method |
16:42:00 | B4gder | a counter method? |
16:42:20 | B4gder | rockbox has no idea what files that changed or were added until it would check for that explicitly |
16:42:32 | AceNik | B4gder:the first initialisation get the whole DB a 0, n the so on n so forth with |
16:43:09 | B4gder | I don't understand |
16:43:19 | Llorean | B4gder: For "recently added files" |
16:43:31 | B4gder | aha |
16:43:46 | Llorean | It might even by my idea |
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16:43:46 | * | amiconn always does a full rebuild of the database anyway |
16:43:53 | Llorean | I suggested something like that to someone quite some time ago. |
16:43:58 | B4gder | a "re-init" could easily detect new files sure |
16:44:01 | amiconn | I don't trust that update feature |
16:44:16 | AceNik | Llorean: suppose i have my DB ready n added 4 tracks t my player with auto update on , it then scans my player & shows me all my recently added tracks , then now if you tell me to reinitialise , those 4 tracks that appeared , would be one since the whle DB is new |
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16:45:27 | AceNik | Llorean:? |
16:45:36 | Llorean | AceNik: So, your idea is that the auto-update should take longer for people who don't misspell track names, so that you don't lose recently added songs in a re-init? |
16:45:46 | Llorean | And please don't ? at me, I have other things to do, if I don't respond to you quickly enough, deal with it. |
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16:46:18 | AceNik | Llorean:well you know what forget it |
16:46:31 | Llorean | Why not suggest that there be a method to re-initialize the database preserving runtime statistics and added order? |
16:47:01 | Llorean | This would then solve your problem without adding a handicap to those who don't have bad tags. |
16:47:34 | pondlife | Does re-init still clear runtime stats? It would be nice if there was an automated way to preserve them (i.e. a quiet export/re-init/import when completed). |
16:47:40 | Llorean | Perhaps a "rebuild tags" option for the database, like a manual init, but it only goes through known songs and builds a fresh database from the actual file tags. |
16:47:41 | AceNik | Llorean:forget it , im not interested by your attitudes flaring at me now |
16:48:02 | Llorean | AceNik: My attitude is only directed at your impatience for my response. |
16:48:26 | Llorean | AceNik: As you may have noticed, I offered a solution that does solve your problem. |
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16:49:23 | AceNik | Llorean:no its not just now , just because a few of you guys got it rite everywhere in rockbox , you guys dont bother with other tryin to help, might as well start a new channel for newbie's & people like you can do their important work on this channel |
16:49:41 | B4gder | AceNik: cut the crap |
16:49:56 | Llorean | Seriously, how is "suggesting a better alternative" the same as "not trying to help?" |
16:50:05 | B4gder | if you can't argue for your idea, then please stop whining at Llorean |
16:50:31 | AceNik | Llorean: i shall be back later thinkin of solutions, thanks for your help |
16:50:47 | Llorean | AceNik: Why not mention what you feel is wrong with the one I suggested? |
16:51:05 | amiconn | pondlife: I wouldn't have noticed because I never used the runtime stats, but then my only use of the DB feature is for finding tagging errors... |
16:51:13 | Llorean | I can't come up with a better one right now, but if you feel it's problematic I'm willing to spend more time thinking. |
16:51:37 | * | B4gder has never used the db... |
16:51:46 | AceNik | Llorean:cause all i intend t suggest is since you uys know more , i prefer if you guys feel it rite , then you should go ahead with it , otherwise forget t |
16:52:12 | Llorean | pondlife: Re-init is *supposed* to clear runtime stats, I believe. Because it's supposed to be creating a "new" database. IMHO a "rebuild from tags" option wouldn't be amiss. Rebuild the entire database from in-file tags, like a manual init, but preserve any data like runtime information that has been previously generated by RB |
16:52:13 | pondlife | amiconn: I like the idea of runtime stats, but I find I have to re-init quite often. Not sure what knackers my database but there's something not quite right... |
16:52:56 | pondlife | Llorean: I'm getting database corruption so need a serious clearout, but want to preserve the non-tag info. |
16:53:04 | AceNik | amiconn:precisely , i always end up finding errors , where 2 artist occur havin different spellings, thats the reason people also tend to modify the tag , thats the reason , i wanted the modified tas t appear in recently added |
16:53:07 | pondlife | i.e. the runtime stats. |
16:53:14 | Llorean | pondlife: Wouldn't a "rebuild from tags" like I described solve that then? |
16:53:26 | pondlife | Yes, I think so |
16:53:28 | Llorean | There needs to be a way to start "clean" without manually deleting the files, which is what re-init is for. |
16:53:32 | * | amiconn doesn't care about runtime stats, recently added etc |
16:53:58 | amiconn | I simply see no use for such features personally. Same goes for rating |
16:54:01 | pondlife | As long as it doesn't rely on the existing database being correct at all. |
16:54:01 | Llorean | pondlife: Clearly, any songs which have changed during the rebuild would lose their runtime stats. |
16:54:08 | pondlife | Of course |
16:54:24 | * | amiconn thinks one should know which songs one likes |
16:54:24 | pondlife | The existing export and import work ok, but are a bit more work for the user. |
16:54:56 | Llorean | A rebuild from tags could really just include the silent export/import if they work well enough for that. |
16:55:09 | AceNik | Llorean:can the files be handeled independantly for a few things ? |
16:55:10 | Llorean | A export, re-init, import, all hidden behind the scenes. |
16:55:24 | Llorean | AceNik: I don't understand the question. What files? |
16:56:01 | AceNik | Llorean:all the music files? |
16:56:26 | AceNik | Llorean: how is the metadata stuff goinon till now, can there be help from there |
16:57:22 | Llorean | I don't understand what exactly you're asking. |
16:57:59 | AceNik | Llorean:how does rockbox deal with assigning runtime stats to a particular file |
16:58:45 | Llorean | I would assume it has some means of matching it with a database entry. |
16:58:51 | Llorean | Probably based on filename. |
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16:58:58 | Llorean | But that's just a guess. |
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17:00:20 | AceNik | Llorean:well when its starting up the player , & checks for auto-update , where does it check with like how does it know new files are added , has to be the dircache rite ? |
17:00:20 | crop | Isn't the music collection stored on the dap a copy anyway? With a master copy on a PC? Then there are better tools for organizing library / editing tags etc. |
17:01:11 | Llorean | crop: A lot of people keep their only copy on dap. But the problem isn't editing tags. The problem is that changed tags don't migrate to the database automatically (mostly because it adds a lot of unnecessary complication that can be avoided by just having good tags) |
17:01:18 | AceNik | crop:yes areed you can oranise library on the pc , but makin it appear the same on rockbox with every chane you make is the question |
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17:01:40 | crop | Llorean: changed in USB mode? |
17:01:43 | Llorean | AceNik: Yes, the dircache can be used to quickly determine if there are new files. |
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17:02:09 | Llorean | crop: Yes, replaced with an updated version from the master collection, or just modified using any tag editing tool |
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17:02:50 | AceNik | Llorean: so the same way cant it detect a few modified files , obviously files were synced fromt he computer , ie recopied or replaced , so they have a new date stamp |
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17:03:01 | crop | AceNik, Llorean: I don't use the DB but I'd reinit the DB after having changed some files. |
17:03:20 | AceNik | Llorean: if this works editing tags in rockbox itself should work in a while |
17:04:07 | Llorean | AceNik: I told you the problem with depending on modification date tags: It solves your problem, but it creates a variety of new ones if files are modified for any non-Rockbox purpose, such as updating in-tag playcounts. |
17:04:25 | Llorean | crop: That's the current solution. If you add files, no problem. If you change existing ones, re-init. |
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17:05:26 | Llorean | AceNik: Any of a number of things can modify files in ways that won't affect the database at all, and I highly doubt dircache keeps track of modification dates (no purpose for it) meaning that it requires real file checking |
17:05:34 | Llorean | Which is a significantly longer process. |
17:05:57 | AceNik | Llorean:ok , then thats what i was asking there seems to be some work n the MOB , done by some people as i read on the forums , maybe they can help here |
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17:06:25 | Llorean | Metadata on Buffer has nothing to do with this at all. |
17:06:32 | markun | Llorean, AceNik: dircache_entry has wrtdate and wrttime, maybe those keep the modification date |
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17:07:00 | Llorean | markun: It's possible, but still doesn't solve the problem of file modifications unrelated to dircache. |
17:07:11 | crop | I'll better stop commenting on the feature I don't use |
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17:07:25 | markun | AceNik: maybe I can make you a patch |
17:07:26 | Llorean | markun: Er, unrelated to database, rather |
17:07:28 | crop | markun: BTW: there is a patch for nimbus fonts |
17:07:29 | AceNik | Llorean: im saying if they cant figured out a way to read only a particular part of the tag ie a part of meta data rite? |
17:07:39 | markun | crop: ok, I'll look into it later |
17:07:42 | AceNik | markun: how ? |
17:07:52 | markun | AceNik: magic :) |
17:07:53 | Llorean | AceNik: That question makes no sense. |
17:08:22 | Llorean | AceNik: The whole tag has to be read to make sure it matches, or to replace the old one if it doesn't. |
17:08:31 | AceNik | Llorean:well imoutta questions n confused , cause there has to be a way with the modification , date stamps |
17:08:33 | crop | markun: it should correct the encoding of the euro symbol (this was reported by someone here) |
17:08:35 | markun | AceNik: "rite" is "right" and not "write" right? |
17:08:51 | markun | crop: ok |
17:09:01 | AceNik | markun:ya its right |
17:09:01 | crop | markun: btw euro symbol: shouldn't it look the same regardless of the font family? |
17:09:07 | Llorean | AceNik: I told you, modification stamps could work, but they'd still require needlessly making file reads for ANY file change. |
17:09:32 | Llorean | AceNik: To find out if a file change is in the metadata you're interested in, you have to look at the file and check. |
17:09:37 | markun | Llorean: what kind of changes do you make to your files? |
17:09:43 | Llorean | markun: I don't. |
17:09:52 | Llorean | markun: My tags are properly spelled, and I don't use database anyway. |
17:10:13 | Llorean | markun: But I know several people who listen to their files on a PC from their DAP, and have it update playcount tags. |
17:10:40 | markun | but those changes shouldn't be picked up by tagcache? |
17:10:51 | Llorean | markun: And they won't be |
17:11:01 | Llorean | markun: but tagcache would still have to open the file, and check the tags that it cares about |
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17:11:48 | Llorean | Basically, it's a question of making life easier for people with bad tags, by making updates take longer for people with good tags who want to change irrelevant ones. |
17:11:58 | markun | Llorean: I don't understand what you mean by "And they won't be" |
17:12:07 | Llorean | markun: They won't be picked up by tagcache. |
17:12:34 | markun | because the playcount is not important? |
17:12:41 | Llorean | Not to tagcache. |
17:12:47 | Llorean | As far as I know the playcount tag isn't used. |
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17:13:19 | pondlife | Hmm, my database is meant to be in RAM, but the debug screen reads: "RAM Cache: No, RAM 0/0B". Is that correct? |
17:13:19 | Llorean | I still think a manual "rebuild from tags" option is a much better solution than complicating the auto-update feature even more. |
17:13:42 | AceNik | markun:Llorean:leave it , if it has to be one leave it as a separate feature dont include it with the current DB |
17:14:09 | markun | Llorean: from tagcache.h in enum tag_type: "tag_playcount" so it's not completely unlikely it could be used |
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17:14:27 | Llorean | markun: Ah, perhaps it is now. Last time I looked it wasn't, but it's been a while. |
17:14:28 | markun | AceNik: I think it's a useful feature |
17:14:42 | AceNik | markunlorean:why cant there be a separate feature like autoupdate , checking for updates in tags , n display it in Recently added |
17:14:54 | Llorean | AceNik: I suggested that quite a very long time ago. |
17:15:12 | Llorean | AceNik: And you ignored it, repeatedly, even when I asked you directly what you thought was wrong with it |
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17:15:22 | AceNik | markun:lorean:like in the database settings there can be a thing where if you want you select the update tags feature on startup |
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17:16:09 | AceNik | lorean:well then you should just bother with the way you pass comments first for people to evn care to listen to what you say |
17:16:29 | Llorean | So, it's my fault that you ignored me? |
17:16:33 | Llorean | I give up. |
17:16:46 | Llorean | If you can come up with a way to implement this feature in a manner that will not inconvenience any current users, fine. |
17:17:34 | Slasheri | it would be possible to add a new tag to hold the file modification timestamp |
17:17:40 | Llorean | My suggestion still stands: Assume tags are correct, and if they're not offer a manual rescan of tags, rather than complicating anything automated. |
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17:18:17 | * | Llorean really doesn't like depending on file modification timestamps. |
17:18:26 | Slasheri | but it needs also more improvements to the update feature not to lose play statistics of that file etc. |
17:18:47 | AceNik | Llorean: im not working on it , i just sugested a open idea for anyone interete t tak it ahead , but seems people like to pounce without notice |
17:19:06 | Llorean | AceNik: Notice: I am about to pounce |
17:19:20 | pondlife | Slasheri: Did you see my comment above regarding RAM usage? |
17:19:36 | pondlife | I rebooted and it was then ok, but no delayed commit took place. |
17:19:36 | Llorean | AceNik: When you make suggestions, in here or as a feature request, people will comment on it. It's expected. Because an idea has to be "good enough", and that means people who don't think it is will try to establish that it isn't, so that an idea can be developed further and made better. |
17:19:39 | Slasheri | pondlife: ah, yes (just reading logs). That is not correct |
17:19:42 | AceNik | Llorean:you know what since you least bothered please stp commenting & if it is possibl people will read th lo & someone will take it ahead , since you dont use DB just forget commenting |
17:19:44 | Llorean | Any idea suggested in here, ever, will likely be criticized. |
17:20:05 | Llorean | AceNik: I don't use the DB, but any additional code WILL affect me. |
17:20:27 | Slasheri | pondlife: however, if the commit was delayd, then it would be normal |
17:20:27 | markun | AceNik: Slasheri is Mr. Tagcache btw |
17:20:43 | Llorean | Slasheri: I have an idea. |
17:20:45 | pondlife | Slasheri: It also said "Delayed commit: No" :) |
17:20:52 | AceNik | pondlife:you dont have dircache on |
17:20:57 | pondlife | I do |
17:21:04 | Llorean | Slasheri: When a song is buffered, if database is active, why not compare its tags with that in DB, and if different, update them? |
17:21:26 | Llorean | I can't imagine that will add very much time to buffering at all, build would allow an automated "fixing" of tags over time, at least. |
17:21:41 | Slasheri | Llorean: hmm, if database is loaded to ram, then that would be possible to do |
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17:21:49 | pondlife | Aha, a decent use for the buffering callback...? |
17:22:09 | Llorean | As I said, I'd really like to search for a solution that doesn't depend on last-modified stamps on the files. |
17:22:09 | Slasheri | Llorean: however, if the new (string) tag is longer than the old one, we can't directly modify it |
17:22:26 | Slasheri | instead it's necessary to create a changelog and re-commit the db |
17:22:51 | AceNik | Slasherithats what i do now |
17:23:46 | Slasheri | that would not mean complete rescan, just recommit the new longer tags on next boot or something like that |
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17:24:37 | AceNik | Slasheri:what bout tags havin an alphabet change itself like a −−> A |
17:25:07 | Slasheri | that kind of updates are possible to do immediately once implemented |
17:25:14 | Llorean | Slasheri: Maybe also a context menu option "Rescan this filter" that lets you trigger a rescan of tags on say, an album, individual song, genre, or whatnot? Would that also be possible. That's manual, but it allows a lot of flexibility. |
17:25:50 | Llorean | It would of course scan all tags under that. |
17:25:56 | Slasheri | hmm, would be possible |
17:26:14 | Slasheri | so that could be activated under the database context menu |
17:27:05 | Slasheri | and file modification timestamps could be used in addition of that |
17:27:14 | Slasheri | if timestamps are identical, skip the file |
17:28:19 | Llorean | Yes, using timestamps to decrease the time spent working I don't have a problem with. |
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17:28:46 | Llorean | I just don't like trusting them as the method for determining whether a file should be scanned. Shouldn't is another case, I can't imagine a file being changed but having the same modified stamp very often. ;) |
17:28:48 | AceNik | Slasheri:thanks for pitchin in buddy |
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18:11:48 | CG|sau | I have a little suggestion for Rockbox, don't know if it's possible or not - a guitar tuner, using the internal microphone on the E200 for example |
18:12:09 | CG|sau | if I could code I'd do it myself, but since I can't I'll just leave the idea hanging |
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18:55:14 | amiconn | Bagder: r u there? |
18:55:19 | Bagder | yes |
18:55:42 | amiconn | Remember that I asked about the XSkat license a while ago? |
18:56:02 | Bagder | I have a vague memory of that, yes |
18:56:32 | amiconn | You said that the license isn't GPL compatible, however, debian doesn't seem to have a problem with putting it in their 'main' section |
18:56:54 | Bagder | first, debian includes gpl incompatible software |
18:57:45 | Bagder | then, it seems some places claim a gpl xskat game |
18:58:20 | amiconn | Hmm. I thought they follow a pretty strong definition of free software, and put anything incompatible (but still non-commercial) in 'non-free' |
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18:58:40 | amiconn | (and the 'glue' into 'contrib') |
18:59:53 | amiconn | This is the short license text; it can be found in every source file: http://www.pastebin.ca/454460 |
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19:00:25 | amiconn | Iirc you said section 2b would be the problem, |
19:00:49 | Bagder | did I really? |
19:01:46 | amiconn | because the GPL doesn't allow restrictions like this. |
19:01:47 | Bagder | since I don't think it is an added restriction |
19:02:07 | Bagder | well, unless you take that renaming thing literally of course |
19:02:07 | amiconn | However, we also have (modified) bsd-license code in our tree, which also adds a few restrictions |
19:02:18 | Bagder | the modified one does not add restrictions |
19:02:55 | amiconn | Depends on the definition of 'restriction', and that's why I'm asking |
19:03:41 | Bagder | in what way is the modified bsd adding requirements by any definition? |
19:03:51 | amiconn | "Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution." |
19:04:00 | amiconn | Isn't that a restriction? |
19:04:25 | Bagder | not an added one, as the same things are already basically required in the GPL license |
19:04:33 | amiconn | I'm no license expert... |
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19:04:54 | amiconn | Ah, hmm.... |
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19:06:41 | Bagder | but I guess the 2b) in the xskat license is additional requirements |
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19:07:14 | amiconn | Bagder: Hmm, reading the GPL, it seems that 2b) of the XSkat license matches 2a) of the GPL |
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19:07:31 | amiconn | "You must cause the modified files to carry prominent notices stating that you changed the files and the date of any change." |
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19:07:51 | Bagder | amiconn: the GPL doesn't require a name change nor a specific version |
19:07:59 | amiconn | true |
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19:08:29 | amiconn | SO, what would be required if we want to add this code as a rockbox plugin? |
19:08:44 | amiconn | Dual license by the author? |
19:10:02 | Bagder | the best thing would be if the author could agree to releasing it with a compatible license, yes |
19:11:15 | amiconn | ok |
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19:12:11 | pixelma | would that have to be for the original code or could he also agree on a already for rockbox modified code? |
19:12:31 | linuxstb | It could be the subset of the code needed for a Rockbox port. |
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19:13:07 | pixelma | ah - ok |
19:14:01 | amiconn | Some parts of the code aren't important for rockbox, like LAN game |
19:14:02 | linuxstb | Or I guess the person who ports it to Rockbox would own partial copyright in the code, so could agree a license with the original author for the new version. |
19:15:14 | linuxstb | I think it would be nice to suggest a license to the author, but I'm not sure what GPL-compatible license is closest to his home-brew license. |
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19:17:55 | amiconn | http://www.pbidir.com/packages.php?code=61 <= "License: GPL" That can't be correct... |
19:19:10 | linuxstb | Maybe his 2b) could be loosened - e.g. he could use the same wording as the GPL regarding "prominent notices", and only suggest (i.e. not part of the license itself) to people modifying his code that they rename and/or change the version number. |
19:20:23 | Llorean | Couldn't you maintain the strictness by explicitly saying the license is for the code only, and not the copyrighted proper name, which is the name and version number combination? |
19:21:08 | Llorean | Then the code could be under a GPL compatible license, while still allowing him to restrict renaming? |
19:21:22 | Bagder | I don't think it works like that |
19:22:09 | Bagder | since for it to be GPL-compatible, someone should be allowed to rip the code from Rockbox and generate a new game called Xskat if they want to |
19:22:28 | Llorean | Ah, but that's not quite true. |
19:22:46 | Llorean | For example, someone can rip the code from Rockbox, but cannot generate a new game called "Tetris" |
19:22:49 | Bagder | well, trademark issues asside |
19:23:14 | Llorean | That's all I'm saying, though: Why does the name of the game have to be licensed along with the code? |
19:23:20 | Bagder | the main reason the apache license is not gpl compatible is exactly such a name protection |
19:23:25 | Llorean | Why can't the code be "Unnamed card game" |
19:23:38 | Llorean | Or really, anything else? |
19:23:49 | Bagder | I bet it can |
19:24:01 | Llorean | Basically, the code is released, but the name isn't. |
19:24:38 | Bagder | but then it is released with the name "unnamed" I guess |
19:24:53 | Llorean | I mean, I'm thinking of Doom here. |
19:25:00 | Llorean | The game code is released under the GPL, all the resources aren't. |
19:25:20 | Bagder | not quite the same though |
19:25:24 | Llorean | True |
19:25:25 | Bagder | it was still called Doom |
19:26:11 | Bagder | but now I'll go and put kids to bed... |
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19:29:34 | tHEkIND | Hello |
19:29:42 | rretzbach | Hi. |
19:30:07 | tHEkIND | The WPS engine has be totally changed a few days/weeks ago ? |
19:30:13 | tHEkIND | *been* |
19:30:36 | rretzbach | Is it still(daily build) possible to save the state while shutting rockbox down and restoring it after the next boot? |
19:30:52 | rretzbach | I can't find the option :( Is it in the faq? |
19:31:16 | Llorean | What state? |
19:31:28 | Llorean | tHEkIND: Just what happens behind the scenes, yes. |
19:32:05 | linuxstb | rretzbach: Do you mean the "resume on startup" option? |
19:32:16 | tHEkIND | And |
19:32:27 | tHEkIND | The multifont patch is totally down |
19:32:35 | rretzbach | linuxstb: I think so. |
19:32:44 | rretzbach | I don't remember the name. |
19:32:51 | tHEkIND | I just was wondering if it's Planned that somebody sync it :D |
19:32:52 | tHEkIND | ? |
19:33:15 | linuxstb | rretzbach: That's been replaced by the "startup screen" option. You can set that to "playback" (I don't know the exact name). |
19:33:35 | rretzbach | linuxstb: Thanks I'll look it up. |
19:33:37 | Llorean | tHEkIND: Anyone is free to resync it if they want, but it's a patch so it mostly lies to the patch author or some enterprising user. |
19:33:38 | PaulJam | tHEkIND: it would propably be the best to ask the author of the patch to sync it |
19:34:01 | tHEkIND | You could ask Julius to do it PaulJam ? |
19:34:18 | tHEkIND | Lots of H10 users are waiting for it |
19:34:40 | rretzbach | linuxstb: perfectly, it works. |
19:34:41 | PaulJam | tHEkIND: why should i? i don't use that patch. |
19:34:42 | pixelma | rretzbach: it's quite hidden (and not in the manual yet) - under settings > general settings > system |
19:34:44 | tHEkIND | The screen is so little that multifont is really needed to show different types of informations |
19:35:06 | tHEkIND | LOL PaulJam, sorry i've read "i would be..." |
19:35:13 | pixelma | rretzbach: was a bit too slow :) |
19:36:09 | rretzbach | pixelma: I appreciate your efforts nonetheless. Thanks. |
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19:36:41 | rretzbach | I just thought statup screen was something totally GUI |
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19:42:21 | * | amiconn wonders why the H10 screen needs a multifont patch |
19:42:45 | amiconn | A number of targets has screens with even lower resolution, and they get along without multifont |
19:43:12 | amiconn | It might be nice to have, but certainly not required |
19:43:34 | tHEkIND | yep |
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19:44:47 | bluebrother | tHEkIND: the ipod mini has a small screen too. But I still don't see any need for multifont |
19:44:58 | tHEkIND | I mean |
19:45:12 | tHEkIND | H10 -> 128x128px |
19:45:29 | bluebrother | so what? |
19:45:43 | tHEkIND | And if you want to have Artist, ALbum, title, next track, hour, progressbar |
19:45:48 | pixelma | what should the average Archos user say... 112x64... |
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19:45:51 | linuxstb | Archos Recorder - 112x64... |
19:45:57 | * | linuxstb too slow this time |
19:45:59 | tHEkIND | You can't just collapse all lines |
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19:46:21 | tHEkIND | With lines with low-important information |
19:46:28 | bluebrother | recorder: 112x64 |
19:46:30 | tHEkIND | As big as the others |
19:46:33 | tHEkIND | Yeah yeah |
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19:46:39 | * | bluebrother was too slow ... |
19:46:56 | bluebrother | ipod mini is 138x110 |
19:47:01 | tHEkIND | And the first non official build for H10 had multifont :D |
19:47:10 | bluebrother | doesn't matter to me. |
19:47:26 | * | bluebrother didn't ever see a good reason not using the official build |
19:47:44 | pixelma | the ifp's screen has a resolution of 128x64 (as the iriver remote lcds too) |
19:47:55 | linuxstb | tHEkIND: I don't think people are saying multifont isn't a nice feature, just that the H10 isn't special |
19:48:02 | Llorean | bluebrother: But don't you just crave the shiny, and waiting days or weeks to get the newest official feature just so you can have album art? |
19:48:20 | Llorean | Could "Multifont" actually be a part of "Metadata on buffer"? |
19:48:41 | bluebrother | no ... album art is completely of no interest to me due to no target with color screen :) |
19:48:47 | Llorean | Specifically, could we not render the strings of metadata as 1bpp images in various fonts on the buffer (whichever the WPS defines) rather than as actual strings? |
19:49:22 | bluebrother | doesn't the multifont atch use up to 10 fonts? |
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19:50:06 | * | amiconn wonders what Llorean is talking about |
19:50:11 | PaulJam | Llorean: but metadata isn't all the wps can show |
19:50:32 | amiconn | Fonts have to be rendered as bitmaps on bitmap displays... |
19:50:39 | Llorean | PaulJam: Anything else the WPS can show is either static (text strings), or from a very limited set of characters, all of which can be loaded individually instead of a whole font. |
19:50:51 | PaulJam | and to render the srings it would still have to load the fonts |
19:51:29 | amiconn | Llorean: The font doesn't have to be loaded as a whole, there is lru caching going on |
19:51:49 | Llorean | amiconn: Yes, but with multiple fonts doesn't that become a bit nastier? |
19:51:51 | amiconn | That's necessary for unicode support without excessively large buffers |
19:52:20 | Llorean | PaulJam: Not in the same way. |
19:53:07 | amiconn | Llorean: It has to load them one way or another |
19:53:18 | amiconn | And doing it another way just means more code |
19:53:25 | Llorean | Basically, the string s"Queen" "Bohemian Rhapsody" and "Greatest Hits Volume I", in the worst case using 3 fonts, could require that three fonts be 'active' and perhaps cached in some way, or it could require that maybe 40 characters go on the buffer. |
19:54:22 | bluebrother | why support more than 2 fonts? |
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19:55:10 | Llorean | bluebrother: From a design perspective, people often want some lines larger or smaller than others. For example, current song ID3 info could be 16px, next song 10px, and volume/battery 8px |
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19:55:44 | bluebrother | but on large screens you won't notice a differenct of 2px quite much |
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19:55:56 | bluebrother | and to get arbitrary spacing viewports will help |
19:56:18 | linuxstb | What about different fonts in the menus and WPS? |
19:56:22 | Llorean | bluebrother: It's not a spacing issue though. It's just an appearance issue. |
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19:56:35 | bluebrother | while it would be nice supporting an arbitrary number of fonts it looks pretty much like waste to me |
19:56:46 | Llorean | linuxstb: The advantage of my system is that the WPS could use any fonts it wants without using the font memory/space from the menus |
19:56:52 | Llorean | My system, or one like it. |
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19:57:16 | Llorean | Since the characters are stored on buffer, and only if they're fonts other than the main font, you only really lose space to them if you start going crazy with additional fonts. |
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19:57:22 | bluebrother | anyway, I'm going to (finally) leave uni for today. Back in a while. |
19:58:17 | linuxstb | Llorean: I think it would be simpler to just support multiple fonts... |
19:58:43 | amiconn | Llorean: You need to buffer all the glyphs needed for displaying the strings. The font code will do this one day, perhaps |
19:58:50 | Llorean | linuxstb: Currently we reserve 60k for the main font. Do we want to increase that for multiple fonts or start dividing it up? |
19:59:17 | moos | linuxstb: yeah ideally 1 font for WPS 1 for menu and 1 for browser :) |
19:59:23 | amiconn | But loading many different fonts at once is a waste of resources imho, and it won't look nice in most cases |
19:59:46 | linuxstb | I always imagined multi-font support to just be an extension of the lru current caching system. |
19:59:50 | amiconn | Typographers usually say that the number of different fonts should be kept to a minimum for a nice look |
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20:00:15 | Llorean | I agree that the number used should be kept to a minimum. |
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20:00:45 | Nico_P | amiconn: true, but it can be nice to have different sizes of the same font |
20:01:09 | amiconn | Algorithmic emboldening should help if someone wants some text to be emphasized, and it won't require any extra ram |
20:01:10 | Llorean | But I just think that since most text displayed in the WPS is static-ish, it could somehow use the buffer rather than treating the one-three WPS fonts as whole fonts in terms of the cache etc. |
20:01:51 | Llorean | Static in the sense that it's known at buffer-time what all the possibilities are. |
20:02:06 | Llorean | But it's just an idea. |
20:02:33 | moos | markun: didn't you working on font? ;p |
20:02:54 | linuxstb | Although there is lots of information in a wps which doesn't come from tags - playback time, playlist position, battery, volume, rtc, ... |
20:02:58 | amiconn | "The buffer" would be a font buffer after all, no matter how many glyphs it buffers. So why a different system?? |
20:03:25 | Llorean | linuxstb: Almost all of those are numeric though. |
20:03:58 | Llorean | amiconn: The playback buffer means "the more fonts you use, the more glyphs you use, the less space you have for songs, but if you just use the current menu font you don't need to fill up the audio buffer" |
20:04:07 | amiconn | Llorean: Yes, and? In that case, the lru buffer would just buffer the digit glyphs... |
20:04:26 | amiconn | The font buffer is fixed size |
20:04:27 | Llorean | amiconn: If you use a font buffer/cache, the use of space is less dynamic. We have to reserve it in advance instead, meaning if you don't make use of multiple fonts, or any characters outside the ASCII range, you're wasting a lot of space |
20:04:41 | amiconn | You are not |
20:04:50 | amiconn | That's why there is lru buffering |
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20:05:15 | Llorean | Rockbox currently has 60k in memory for the font, right? |
20:05:16 | amiconn | Under normal circumstances it shouldn't happen that glyphs are going off-buffer once buffered |
20:05:22 | amiconn | No, it's less |
20:05:30 | Llorean | I thought it was 60,000. |
20:05:41 | * | Llorean could be wrong |
20:06:02 | amiconn | Ah, yes, for large-mem targets it is |
20:06:34 | Llorean | The font I use is 32k on disk |
20:06:56 | Llorean | Now that's 28k wasted for me, but not a big deal. |
20:07:12 | Llorean | But if we wanted to say, enable the use of 3 fonts, wouldn't it be reasonable to at least double the memory Rockbox allocates for them? |
20:07:30 | moos | surely not lots of users use fonts around 60k |
20:07:53 | Llorean | moos: ~1/2 of the fonts provided are over 60k |
20:08:05 | Llorean | Really it's 26, I believe, of the 60 |
20:08:17 | Llorean | The ones that support unicode well. |
20:08:21 | Llorean | Or at least, better than the others |
20:09:40 | amiconn | Llorean: Why do you think you would need more buffer for more fonts? |
20:09:55 | linuxstb | Llorean: How would your system deal with someone changing wps? Possibly to one with larger fonts... |
20:10:08 | Llorean | linuxstb: Ah, that wouldn't work well at all, true. |
20:10:09 | amiconn | The limitation is the display. You won't need to buffer more glyphs than what can be shown at once on the lcd |
20:10:34 | amiconn | (of course plus some because the displayed information changes) |
20:10:38 | Llorean | linuxstb: But I'm perfectly happy with the idea that my system isn't ideal. I just want to bring up the idea that WPS information is more static. |
20:10:58 | * | amiconn 's typical wps'es aren't static |
20:11:09 | amiconn | Static information is just a waste on the display |
20:11:20 | linuxstb | BTW, am I right in thinking the WPS can't wrap strings at the moment? |
20:11:23 | Llorean | linuxstb: Menu information is even more static. You know every single glyph you need from a font, by use of the lang file. If the menu font doesn't match others, you can have a fairly small character set relative to a whole font size |
20:12:05 | amiconn | Judging based on a small display of course... nothing like those pixel-waste-friendly lcds (ipod video, gigabeat) |
20:12:19 | Llorean | amiconn: I'm having a hard time expressing what I mean quite right. It's not truly dynamic. When browsing the tree, information displayed depends on user input. On the WPS, information displayed comes from a very limited set (what's on-buffer, and what the WPS has in conditionals, strings, etc) |
20:12:51 | Llorean | Even when the user inputs a change, it's either changing the value of a conditional or numeric output, or changing tracks. |
20:12:55 | amiconn | Llorean: Still, why making extra effort buffering only those glyphs as the lru cache *already does that* |
20:13:02 | tHEkIND | Anyway, multifont is really apreciated and waited in thye SVN by users |
20:13:03 | tHEkIND | Really |
20:13:04 | amiconn | That's what I can't understand... |
20:13:20 | pixelma | linuxstb: you mean like 2 lines for track name or something like that? |
20:13:29 | linuxstb | pixelma: Yes. |
20:13:30 | amiconn | tHEkIND: _Imho_ there is a ton of more important improvements, fixes etc than multifont |
20:13:39 | pixelma | no it can'T |
20:14:13 | amiconn | But somehow it seems that others are preferring look over functionality |
20:14:22 | amiconn | Many others, I mean |
20:14:52 | tHEkIND | Yeah but a 'basic user' don't see much bugs, and improvements like effets, multifont woult really be apreciated |
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20:15:12 | tHEkIND | And Rockbox would be more and more used |
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20:15:48 | linuxstb | tHEkIND: Are people not using Rockbox because it can only display 1 font at a time? |
20:15:49 | tHEkIND | But i'm using rockbox for less the 6 months, ans i can tell that so much work has been done, rockbox is every day better |
20:15:50 | amiconn | There are many bugs to fix in the exisitng features... |
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20:16:03 | Llorean | amiconn: Because if your WPS uses different glyphs than your filetree, the LRU cache becomes flooded with whatever your WPS font is over time, and then browsing your filetree for inserting songs can flood it with other characters, then back again. |
20:16:32 | Llorean | If the LRU cache is reserved for the filetree, then it's much less likely to be discarding, I think. |
20:16:36 | tHEkIND | linuxstb : I'm not saying that, but how the firmware look is at least as important as the sound quality and functionnnalities |
20:16:46 | tHEkIND | You can't deny that |
20:16:53 | pixelma | tHEkIND: but I hope you would want stable playback in first place? |
20:16:54 | Llorean | tHEkIND: We all can and will. |
20:17:07 | amiconn | tHEkIND: I dare to deny that |
20:17:22 | Llorean | tHEkIND: How it looks is only equally important as functionality to the kind of people who only want to be users of something pretty |
20:17:29 | tHEkIND | Why people say "Waaaw vista is good", even if it's a piece of shit ^^ |
20:17:35 | amiconn | Llorean: This might happen anytime if the cache is too small, but it has nothing to do with the place it happens (wps, filetree, menu etc) |
20:17:43 | tHEkIND | Yeah maybe not |
20:18:11 | tHEkIND | But i think it's important, else iPod shouldn't be the most used player |
20:18:25 | Llorean | amiconn: Yes, but for example, if the WPS doesn't use the LRU cache, but instead keeps its glyphs on-buffer alongside the songs they belong to, then it keeps that from happening due to WPS use. |
20:18:37 | amiconn | How something looks is totally irrelevant as long as it doesn't fulfill its purpose, and preferably in a better way |
20:18:43 | preglow | amiconn: did you find out how linux deals with unicode on the api level? |
20:19:10 | amiconn | Llorean: That sounds awfully complicated... |
20:19:15 | amiconn | preglow: No, why? |
20:19:16 | Llorean | amiconn: But as I said, I was just trying to bring up some thought on this. It's pretty clear to me I haven't thought it through well enough |
20:19:31 | amiconn | I just know that the sim works with unicode filenames in my installation |
20:19:32 | preglow | amiconn: just wondering, i've been wondering about it myself |
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20:21:41 | amiconn | preglow: Maybe *nix also supports the w* variants of those functions, and then it might be a good idea to use them |
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20:21:58 | amiconn | It would make the sim independent on whether the current locale supports utf8 |
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20:22:41 | amiconn | But that requires lots of testing on different *nix-like systems. Not only linux but also *bsd and (shrug) macos |
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20:24:16 | preglow | i don't think it does support those |
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20:34:52 | Nico_P | there's a problem with the line height patch... scrolling lines. I've been thinking about how to handle them for a few days but I can't find a way to do them nicely |
20:35:14 | Nico_P | not without messing with the scrolling code at least |
20:35:21 | Llorean | What goes wrong with them? |
20:35:51 | Nico_P | Llorean: scrolling lines are defined by the line number and not by the absolute position |
20:36:29 | dionoea | Hello. What's the best rockbox compatible DAP atm ? |
20:36:39 | Nico_P | dionoea: the gigabeat !! :d |
20:37:07 | dionoea | any version number? (i need to be specific, i'm trying to convince a friend to buy a rockbox compatible DAP) |
20:37:41 | toffe82 | gigabeat F40 or X60 |
20:37:43 | PaulJam | dionoea: i think that highly depends on the personal preferences which dap is the best |
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20:37:59 | j-b | Hello ! |
20:37:59 | dionoea | well good battery life, nice audio, and a color lcd i guess |
20:38:07 | j-b | I got a question. |
20:38:13 | dionoea | j-b: i already asked it |
20:38:16 | dionoea | or maybe not :) |
20:38:22 | Llorean | Nico_P: So why does that present a problem? |
20:38:29 | linuxstb_ | dionoea: Then the Cowon X5 and iriver H300 would probably also meet the criteria. |
20:38:43 | dionoea | ok. thanks |
20:38:49 | dionoea | Now i'll paste these logs :D |
20:38:51 | j-b | Anyone has alreadu tested to put rockbox on iAudio U3 ? |
20:39:01 | j-b | dionoea: not the same question... |
20:39:17 | linuxstb_ | j-b: There's nothing to test - the U3 has different hardware to any of the devices Rockbox supports, so it won't work. |
20:39:20 | Nico_P | Llorean: I can't tell the line to scroll at the right pos... unless I extend the LCD drivers |
20:39:46 | j-b | linuxstb_: that was what I liked to know... :'( |
20:40:01 | Llorean | Nico_P: Ah, because it uses the font height still to determine where the line is? |
20:40:10 | Nico_P | Llorean: that's it |
20:40:31 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: Looking at the lcd driver, I think you would need to add something like a "lcd_set_lineheight()" function, and then change lcd_puts_style_offset to use that value instead of the font height. But I don't know if that's wanted... |
20:40:34 | j-b | but I thought it was close to X5 |
20:41:25 | linuxstb_ | j-b: No, nothing like it... See here - http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2848 |
20:41:42 | j-b | too bad for my sister... |
20:42:03 | linuxstb_ | It has a telechips tcc770 CPU, and Rockbox doesn't run on any telechips CPUs. |
20:42:39 | amiconn | Sounds like the wrong solution imho... |
20:43:09 | Nico_P | amiconn: wrong solution for line height ? |
20:43:27 | j-b | linuxstb_: too bad, it is a pretty nice thing. |
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20:46:44 | amiconn | j-b: The list of targets supported by rockbox isn't fixed. Someone with enough interest and knowledge who owns a not-yet-supported device could start a port |
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20:48:01 | j-b | amiconn: hummm... I don't know if I have enough time/knowledge. |
20:49:18 | amiconn | Nico_P: Yes. It means extending an old system that is already known to be not flexible enough and will be replaced soon(ish) |
20:49:27 | Nico_P | amiconn: will it ? |
20:49:49 | Nico_P | who's planning on that ? |
20:49:55 | j-b | amiconn: anyone has already tryed to port to telechips ? |
20:50:19 | Nico_P | amiconn: is that a part of viewports ? |
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20:51:39 | amiconn | Viewports need to replace the scrolling lines mechanism, otherwise they would be of no real use |
20:52:46 | Nico_P | amiconn: nice.... so it turns out line height *is* actually something viewports will allow |
20:54:13 | amiconn | Yes... if it's wanted/needed (I still don't see why, but yeah...) |
20:54:32 | Nico_P | amiconn: but maybe I could implement a "workaround" in the scrolling code for now |
20:55:10 | amiconn | Basically the viewports-enabled version of scrolling will allow to place scrolling text anywhere on the screen. Just the number of scrolling objects will be limited |
20:55:25 | amiconn | (probably depending on lcd size) |
20:56:05 | amiconn | I am also thinking about unifying the text output functions completely, meaning that there won't be 2 versions on targets with a remote lcd |
20:56:26 | amiconn | But maybe some ugly details prevent that idea from working efficiently |
20:57:06 | Nico_P | amiconn: and is there something preventing code from being factored out of the lcd-*.c files ? |
20:57:30 | Nico_P | semms like the code in there is mostly the same |
20:57:39 | Nico_P | s/semms/seems |
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21:39:02 | bixibu | hi |
21:40:59 | toffe82 | hellp |
21:41:08 | toffe82 | hello |
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21:42:31 | Reno | wasup anybody here? |
21:42:32 | linuxstb | toffe82: How's the Gigabeat S hacking coming along? |
21:42:47 | Reno | hello? |
21:43:00 | Reno | anybody? |
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21:43:07 | dionoea | Reno: we hear you |
21:43:11 | Reno | Oh |
21:43:15 | Reno | sorry |
21:43:18 | dionoea | :) |
21:43:24 | Reno | hi |
21:43:29 | Reno | i got a question? |
21:43:44 | Reno | how do i install the fonts on my ipod |
21:43:49 | Reno | for rockbox |
21:44:02 | linuxstb | Just download the rockbox-fonts.zip file and extract it to your ipod. |
21:44:18 | Reno | yeah but where does that file have to be? |
21:44:23 | Reno | like in what folder? |
21:44:44 | toffe82 | linuxstb : ptw419 does all the job, I think he began to work on the bootloader |
21:44:48 | linuxstb | Wherever you want to put it. Use the "extract to" feature in your unzipping program to extract it to your ipod. |
21:45:11 | linuxstb | toffe82: Nice. So you're running your own code now? |
21:45:22 | linuxstb | Or rather, ptw419 is running his own code.. |
21:45:31 | Reno | ok it can be anywhere in my ipod as long as its inside thr rockbox folder?? |
21:45:58 | linuxstb | Reno: I think you're confusing the zip file itself with the contents of that zip file after they're unzipped. |
21:45:59 | toffe82 | linuxstb : I didn't try but we can run a modified nk.bin |
21:46:50 | Reno | ok i didnt get that? i'm confused.......what do u mean? |
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21:47:10 | Reno | its unzipped |
21:47:27 | Reno | just where do those files have to be .......what folder? |
21:48:31 | dionoea | Reno: just unzip it in the upper most directory on your ipod |
21:48:34 | linuxstb | In a directory called fonts in a directory called .rockbox on your ipod. |
21:48:36 | dionoea | (that's called "root" |
21:48:37 | dionoea | ) |
21:48:53 | dionoea | ah ... do like linuxstb says :) |
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21:50:35 | Reno | ok i did that now how do i change the fonts? do i go to plugins then font editor |
21:50:43 | linuxstb | Reno: Alternatively, you may like to try the Rockbox Utility - it will download the fonts (and new Rockbox current builds) and install them for you - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility |
21:50:56 | Reno | kkk |
21:50:58 | Reno | ty |
21:51:04 | Reno | let me try |
21:51:07 | Reno | =) |
21:51:27 | linuxstb | Go to Settings -> General Settings -> Display -> Browse Fonts |
21:52:29 | Reno | ok hold on a sec. plz |
21:53:29 | Reno | hey are those fonts in englich? |
21:53:51 | Reno | never mind |
21:55:11 | Reno | hey can i like create my own font? |
21:55:27 | Reno | or copy one frome my pc to my ipod? |
21:57:13 | Reno | hello???? |
21:57:20 | Reno | anybody on? |
21:57:28 | Llorean | Reno: There's no need to ask like that. |
21:57:36 | Reno | oh |
21:57:37 | Llorean | People are busy doing their own things |
21:57:39 | Reno | sorry |
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21:57:48 | Reno | yeah just asking |
21:57:53 | Llorean | They'll answer you, or not, but saying "hello????" and such irritates people |
21:58:12 | Reno | not trying to irritate though |
21:58:16 | linuxstb | Reno: I've never done it myself (so can't help), but some info is here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CreateFonts |
21:58:22 | Reno | but still my bad |
21:58:37 | Reno | =) |
21:59:01 | Reno | thank you!!! =) |
21:59:36 | Reno | re you guys like hackers or something? |
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22:00:27 | petur | worse |
22:00:30 | preglow | i've just hacked you |
22:00:34 | preglow | stealing ur moniez |
22:00:36 | * | scorche sighs |
22:00:39 | Reno | lol |
22:00:51 | Reno | no really are you though? |
22:01:01 | Reno | cuz u'r smart as hell! |
22:01:23 | Reno | i mean i wish i new how u created rockbox! |
22:01:46 | scorche | must we propagate the lack of distinction between hackers and crackers in the heads of the general populace? ;) |
22:02:11 | Reno | huh? |
22:02:25 | Reno | hey i dont really understand that!!! |
22:02:30 | Reno | i'm 16yrs. |
22:02:32 | Reno | lol |
22:02:37 | Reno | howe old r u guys? |
22:02:38 | scorche | haha...nothing....i was just reaching out to preglow |
22:02:57 | Bagder | Reno: you're asking all the 143 of us at once? ;-) |
22:03:05 | scorche | anywhere from 16 to ancient (in the case of Bagder) |
22:03:17 | * | petur hides |
22:03:19 | Reno | as long as anybody answers? |
22:03:20 | * | Bagder looks around for his cane |
22:03:28 | Reno | about hopw old is opne of u? |
22:03:38 | * | linuxstb asks his nurse to get his cane |
22:03:43 | Reno | lol |
22:03:53 | Reno | lmao XDD |
22:04:02 | Reno | :) |
22:04:38 | Bagder | well, I'm probably younger than Reno's parents at least ;-) |
22:04:39 | Reno | who was like the main person who created rockbox?? |
22:05:03 | linuxstb | Bagder: You hope... |
22:05:14 | scorche | well, Bagder over there was one of them |
22:05:29 | Reno | i wish i was as smart as you guys i mean thats f**ckin' awsome!!!!! : ) |
22:05:42 | scorche | Bagder: i had a friend a while back whose mom was 26 when he was 13... |
22:05:50 | Bagder | Reno: you're young, you'll learn fast! |
22:05:51 | Reno | oh |
22:06:03 | Reno | yeah right i wish!!!! |
22:06:19 | Reno | not really good at this stuff! |
22:06:29 | scorche | then learn and become good! |
22:06:50 | Reno | Why is rockbox "Free" is it illegal ti sell it or something? |
22:07:08 | Bagder | its free because we like it free |
22:07:14 | Reno | oh..... |
22:07:19 | Bagder | and it allows us all to collaborate on it fine |
22:07:37 | Reno | so u guy's just like being ........nice......... |
22:07:55 | scorche | well, if it wasnt "free", rockbox wouldnt be near the state it is in today |
22:08:07 | Reno | oh |
22:08:07 | dionoea | (part of open source is about being bored too isn't it?) |
22:08:15 | Reno | i guess |
22:08:32 | Bagder | or perhaps it is about not staying bored... |
22:08:34 | linuxstb | dionoea: I though it was about being itchy... |
22:08:51 | dionoea | ah ... maybe a bit of both :) |
22:09:02 | dionoea | Bagder: yeah, that's what i meant |
22:09:26 | Reno | hey there was a person on saturday called "aliask" i think he or she said that you could out gameboy games on rockbox???? |
22:09:56 | scorche | yes....search the manual for "rockboy" |
22:10:10 | bixibu | can I watch video on my ipod photo with rockbox ? |
22:10:33 | linuxstb | bixibu: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
22:10:38 | Reno | oh!!! See u guy's are smart as hell!!! how did u come up with that? |
22:10:42 | bixibu | thaks ;) |
22:10:45 | bixibu | +n |
22:11:20 | Bagder | Reno: we didn't, we took someone else's idea (and code) and adapted it |
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22:12:34 | Reno | but how would i put the games on it how do i copy the games ???? its like ....how is my pc supposed to read a game cartrige or whatever its called!!!!! |
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22:12:52 | scorche | there are devices that allow you to do so |
22:13:00 | Reno | oh really? |
22:13:34 | scorche | there are also sites around that host homebrew (games that random people have made and offer freely) games |
22:14:05 | Reno | do u know where i can get one of those??? how much are they??? are the games blocked???? am i asking too many questions????? |
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22:14:21 | Reno | where can i get that device? |
22:14:38 | scorche | you might get better results asking google those questions |
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22:14:47 | Reno | lol |
22:14:48 | Reno | ok |
22:15:01 | Reno | am i asking......too many questions? |
22:15:19 | Reno | i'll be right back sorry |
22:15:23 | scorche | yes...we have a strict limit of 300 per person ;) |
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22:19:39 | Reon | hey i'm back are u guys still on? : ) |
22:19:47 | scorche | we all left |
22:19:49 | bluebrother | are actions limited too? |
22:20:04 | bluebrother | damn, that was another question to count ... |
22:20:05 | Reon | its reno sorry i spelled it wrong |
22:20:12 | Bagder | Reon: we're not here, this is all a recording |
22:20:18 | Reon | lol |
22:20:19 | bluebrother | try /nick foobar |
22:20:22 | linuxstb | Type "/nick Reno" |
22:20:45 | Reon | w8 |
22:20:50 | Reon | type nick wut? |
22:20:58 | Reon | u know its reno right? |
22:21:04 | Reon | Reno |
22:21:07 | Reon | lo |
22:21:14 | Bagder | nono, not nick wut, nick Reno |
22:21:28 | Reon | ???????ok im confused????????? |
22:21:29 | Reon | lol |
22:21:30 | bluebrother | and don't forget the slash before the nick |
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22:21:51 | | Nick Reno is now known as linuxstb (i=5343d4aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5c21ee12e37a5bb7) |
22:21:51 | Reon | u'r probaby trying too kick me off the chat!!! lol |
22:22:02 | Reon | XD |
22:22:16 | Reon | i wish i was really him! |
22:22:19 | Reon | XD |
22:22:24 | bluebrother | Reno, you want to send a command to the server. This starts with a /. And then there follows the command directly, in your case it's "nick", so it becomes "/nick" |
22:22:38 | Reon | ok |
22:22:50 | bluebrother | that command takes the new nick as argument |
22:23:00 | bluebrother | so "/nick foobar" will change your nick to "foobar" |
22:23:14 | bluebrother | you are of course not limited to the nick "foobar" *g* |
22:23:30 | Reon | kk |
22:23:39 | Reon | so....... |
22:23:41 | Reon | lol |
22:24:08 | Reon | where can i get those gameboy games for my ipod? any good websites? |
22:24:30 | scorche | as i said, google is your best bet |
22:24:39 | Reon | i think it would look funny to have a game like "Pokemon" on my ipod!!!! |
22:24:40 | Reon | lol |
22:24:41 | Reon | XD |
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22:25:08 | scorche | also, every other line doesnt have to be "lol" or "XD" |
22:25:36 | Reon | yeahbut every time i look for the games they take me to website where they "sell gameboy games" like ebay!! |
22:26:06 | scorche | well, this channel is for rockbox related questions..."where can i get gameboy games" is not one of those |
22:26:28 | Reon | ok? |
22:26:55 | Reon | just asking you if you know any.....and igues the answer is no. |
22:27:03 | bluebrother | also, distributing a pokemon ROM most likely will be pirating, and we don't support stealing music / ROMs / etc |
22:27:23 | bluebrother | (unless that music / ROM / whatever is freely distributable, of course) |
22:27:38 | Reon | i didnt say i wanted "pokemon" i said my ipod would look funny with a game like that! |
22:27:49 | Reon | : ) |
22:27:51 | dionoea | Reon: see query |
22:28:13 | dionoea | (you most likely won't be able to reply though) |
22:28:31 | Reon | dont u think i would look stupid playing p[okemon on my ipod in "high school"???? |
22:28:35 | bluebrother | sure, but finding freely distributable stuff shouldn't be too hard, and people in here won't help you with any other |
22:28:49 | * | dionoea finds pokemon quite entertaining |
22:28:57 | Reon | ok |
22:29:04 | scorche | well, technically we wont help you find either, as it is out of the scope of this channel |
22:29:05 | dionoea | (and i've finished high school a long time ago) |
22:29:05 | bluebrother | maybe playing the already shipped tetris clone looks better ;-) |
22:29:07 | Reon | i guess its all right then |
22:29:26 | davina | school? whats that? I cant remember :) |
22:29:33 | Reon | not me i'm still in high school its my 2nd year |
22:29:46 | Reon | : ) |
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22:30:56 | mutantpineapple | could someone do me a favour and tell me how to apply this patch? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5995 |
22:31:13 | Reon | sorry i was afk! u guy's were probably hapy weren't you? |
22:31:19 | scorche | mutantpineapple: read the wiki page SimpleGuideToCompiling |
22:31:28 | mutantpineapple | thankyou |
22:31:47 | davina | i have no idea, sorry. i think i need to rebuild my operating system coz i think mine is all messed up since the last time i tried to put in a build |
22:32:07 | Reon | do any of u guys have an ipod? |
22:32:13 | Reon | an ipod video 30gb |
22:32:16 | Reon | ??? |
22:32:22 | * | davina has ipod 60gb video |
22:32:23 | linuxstb | mutantpineapple: That patch is out of date now - it won't be straightforward to apply it. |
22:32:33 | Reon | like mine : ) |
22:32:44 | Reon | oh |
22:32:59 | mutantpineapple | linuxstb: is there a newer equivalent? |
22:33:06 | linuxstb | No |
22:33:08 | Reon | hey i heard u canm give u'r ipod more memory is that true? |
22:33:26 | mutantpineapple | well then i guess i'm stuck ;) |
22:33:33 | linuxstb | mutantpineapple: If there was a newer version it would be (or at least should be) added to that page. |
22:33:45 | mutantpineapple | linuxstb: there's a 0.2 version linked lower down |
22:34:48 | Reon | hey can i put a photo as a background on my ipod? |
22:34:49 | PaulJam | linuxstb: are you sure? a few days ago it applied fine on my build and also compiled with no errors after i removed the IBSS_ATTR from the one line. |
22:35:00 | Reon | using rockbox or something? |
22:35:08 | dionoea | Reon: yes. It's explained in the manual. |
22:35:18 | Reon | o |
22:35:26 | davina | reon you can make a theme with rockbox, you can have whatever background you like |
22:35:32 | linuxstb | PaulJam: "a few days ago" is a long time in Rockbox... |
22:35:47 | Reon | seriously how do u guys know how to do all this raw ass stuff!!!! : ) |
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22:36:07 | davina | we read the manual |
22:36:09 | bluebrother | we don't know |
22:36:19 | Reon | thank you by the way!!! thanks for this info! ; ) |
22:36:20 | bluebrother | we just do it :D |
22:36:40 | bluebrother | that background image is referred as "backdrop" in the manual btw. |
22:36:47 | Reon | let my try doing that |
22:37:17 | davina | Reon: take a look at these themes for the iPod Video http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g |
22:37:27 | Reon | hanks |
22:37:30 | Reon | thanks |
22:37:57 | Reon | o any of u guys like anime? |
22:38:39 | davina | The Twilight on has an Amine theme to it |
22:38:43 | davina | *one |
22:38:59 | Reon | oh thanks |
22:40:27 | Reon | i cant find anything that says twilight |
22:40:49 | Reon | nevermind |
22:42:39 | Reon | is davina a girl? |
22:43:21 | davina | thats not a rockbox question ;) |
22:43:43 | Reon | just asking |
22:44:09 | Reon | hey sorry i didnt type that my friend got on my pc |
22:44:17 | Reon | we in school |
22:44:49 | bluebrother | sounds confusing |
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22:45:02 | davina | oh, well you should get back to your school work before the teacher catches you |
22:45:29 | mutantpineapple | ok i'm a bit clueless here, do i apply the patch before or after configuring? |
22:45:31 | Reon | no school is over |
22:45:42 | Reon | i'm in the library at school |
22:45:56 | dionoea | mutantpineapple: you'd better do it before (although it doesn't matter in most cases) |
22:46:03 | mutantpineapple | k cheers |
22:46:58 | bluebrother | shhh! Don't talk in the library |
22:47:00 | Reon | hey i just downloaded that twilight theme or backdrop....but it isnt just 1 file its alot of them and its got some pic of final fantasy and shadow the hedgehog |
22:47:10 | mutantpineapple | hawt |
22:47:19 | Reon | wich one do i copy |
22:47:20 | Reon | ???? |
22:47:32 | davina | you need rockbox installed on your ipod to use the wps theme |
22:47:47 | Reon | i have it |
22:48:02 | Reon | but wich of the ones i donloaded do i copy |
22:48:05 | Reon | ??? |
22:48:12 | davina | ok, are you running windows? |
22:48:23 | Reon | yup |
22:48:30 | PaulJam | does the zip contain a .rockbox folder? |
22:48:37 | Reon | yeah |
22:49:02 | bluebrother | why don't we have selfinstalling themes? |
22:49:09 | Reon | it called .rockbox. |
22:49:11 | davina | ok so if ur ipod is on drive X:\ then unzip the downloaded file to X:\ there should be a .rockbox folder on there already |
22:49:11 | PaulJam | then you propably have to extract the zip to the root of your player |
22:49:38 | Reon | ok i did that |
22:49:43 | linuxstb | bluebrother: An unzip plugin? |
22:49:59 | Redbreva | or use rbutil... |
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22:50:34 | bluebrother | like this ... though I would prefer tar as it's much easier to handle |
22:50:54 | bluebrother | like the plugin I wrote some time ago ;-) |
22:51:14 | Reon | how do i use the themes |
22:51:16 | Reon | ??? |
22:51:23 | Reon | go to settings? |
22:51:27 | davina | got settings->themes then pick the theme you want |
22:51:36 | davina | *goto |
22:51:36 | Reon | ok let me try |
22:51:40 | Reon | thanks |
22:51:55 | bluebrother | "browse themes" maybe? |
22:52:08 | Reon | hold on a sec. plz |
22:52:12 | linuxstb | bluebrother: IMO the problem that needs solving is slow loading of themes, not installation. |
22:52:29 | * | bluebrother recommends the manual: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
22:52:37 | davina | is that not more down to how many images are in a theme though? |
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22:52:48 | bluebrother | linuxstb, agreed, but installing is also an issue that repeatedly causes problems |
22:53:03 | linuxstb | Which rbutil has solved... |
22:54:08 | bluebrother | can it install themes from arbitrary pages? AFAIK it only uses rockbox-themes.org |
22:54:29 | linuxstb | Does it need to? Anyone can upload to rockbox-themes.org afaik. |
22:54:31 | Reon | are the the themes supposed to be in a folder call backdrops? or the one called themes? |
22:54:52 | davina | i have a mirror copy of the contents of my ipod in one of my main filesystems, i sync using a shell script that downloads the latest build, unpacks it to the mirror area, and then checks date diffs between mirror and ipod and copies across newer file, including any new CDs i might have ripped that day |
22:55:00 | bluebrother | there will always be people around distributon themes on other pages |
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22:55:29 | bluebrother | and wasn't there the idea to make all themes at that page comply to some licensing rules? |
22:56:10 | linuxstb | I think the idea was that a more official version of rockbox-themes.org would need to pay more attention to licensing/copyright. |
22:56:51 | Reon | uuuummmm.....where do the themese have to be again??? |
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22:57:36 | linuxstb | Reon: If you download the theme .zip file to your computer, and then right-click on it, do you get an "Extract to..." option? |
22:57:47 | davina | Reon, usually the zip file has all the necessary folders and put the files into ./backdrops ./fonts ./wps and also ./wps/themenamehere |
22:58:21 | Reon | no it just says "extract all" |
22:58:42 | Reon | and i clicked that |
22:58:44 | davina | that'll do it |
22:59:11 | Reon | yeah it takes them out of the zip but where do i copy them? |
22:59:30 | Reon | ok soory i got to go |
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23:00:26 | Reon | bye thank you |
23:01:18 | davina | you are welcome, bye Reon |
23:01:24 | Reon | do u guy's have a manual i can print? |
23:01:26 | mutantpineapple | hm, patching failed :| |
23:01:46 | davina | http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
23:01:59 | Reon | ok thank you bye |
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23:04:43 | mutantpineapple | is it possible/sensible to manually apply the changes? |
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23:09:39 | bluebrother | possible: yes, sensible: depends on. |
23:11:06 | Llorean | Pretty much depends on whether it broke because the change won't work in its current form, or if the patch program just can't figure out where the appropriate line went |
23:11:58 | mutantpineapple | since someone mentioned they successfully applied it a couple of days ago, i'm assuming it just can't figure it out |
23:12:12 | mutantpineapple | not exactly bullet-proof logic but... |
23:12:16 | Llorean | That's not really grounds to make that assumption |
23:12:30 | Llorean | One single change to the SVN can make a patch require actual work to resync. |
23:13:36 | bluebrother | it highly depends on what changed in svn. Resyncing can be as easy as adjusting a single line or as hard as almost rewriting large parts of the patch |
23:14:52 | mutantpineapple | hm |
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23:16:23 | mutantpineapple | well i certainly don't have that sort of expertise |
23:17:45 | mutantpineapple | since my attempts at ripping dvds are hopelessly failing, i'll give this one a miss as i don't need it anyway |
23:18:23 | Llorean | What Rockbox patch has anything to do with ripping dvds? |
23:18:59 | mutantpineapple | the patch is to increase the fps of mpegplayer on an x5 |
23:19:25 | mutantpineapple | so until i have mpegs, i don't need the patch |
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23:28:44 | * | davina is away: night night |
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23:44:57 | Leetlandon | Hey, Im getting a error about arm-elf-gcc not found compiling. |
23:46:55 | Leetlandon | bash: arm-elf-gcc command not found. |
23:47:04 | dionoea | did you change your PATH ? |
23:47:13 | Leetlandon | Get erros doing that. |
23:47:20 | dionoea | like what? |
23:47:36 | Leetlandon | Is there a way to copy and paste it? |
23:47:46 | dionoea | sure. use pastebin.ca |
23:51:08 | Leetlandon | bash: $'\r' : command not found |
23:51:15 | Leetlandon | ': not a valid identifier |
23:51:48 | Leetlandon | bash /etc/progile: line 83: syntax error near unexpected token '$' in\r'' |
23:51:52 | dionoea | and the command you used? |
23:51:58 | linuxstb | Try "dos2unix" /etc/profile |
23:52:08 | Leetlandon | Hmm? |
23:52:08 | linuxstb | I mean "dos2unix /etc/profile" |
23:52:50 | Leetlandon | Okay, then? |
23:52:52 | dionoea | use the command in a shell |
23:52:53 | linuxstb | It sounds like you edited the /etc/profile file using a Windows editor that didn't keep the correct line-endings. |
23:53:10 | Leetlandon | Then? |
23:53:31 | linuxstb | Did that command work? (as in not displaying any error) |
23:53:53 | Leetlandon | Yep, it worked and now i have "bash-3.2$ |
23:54:01 | Leetlandon | and I can type stuff after that. |
23:54:03 | linuxstb | Then close down your cygwin window and open a new one. |
23:54:14 | Leetlandon | Thanks! |
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23:55:07 | mutantpineapple | for some reason, i can't apply a single patch :S |
23:55:12 | mutantpineapple | they all fail somehow |
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23:55:23 | Leetlandon | What's the errors? |
23:55:52 | mutantpineapple | "hunk #x failed" x lots |
23:56:15 | linuxstb | mutantpineapple: Try the most recent patch on the server (sort them by date). If that fails, then you're more likely than not doing something wrong. But it's not uncommon for patches to become out of date. |
23:56:41 | preglow | oh, lord, spare me from cygwin |
23:56:49 | linuxstb | For example, the WPS code in Rockbox has recently been completely rewritten, so any patches related to WPS will fail now. |
23:57:15 | mutantpineapple | i see |
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23:58:11 | mutantpineapple | must dash, anyway |
23:58:15 | mutantpineapple | thanks a lot for the help |