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| 00:24:37 | Leetlandon | Hey, I got a error trying to make a zip. "beep, no dir to copy wps from" |
| 00:26:45 | chrisjs169 | I got that to the past few days, but it compiles fine (for me anyways) |
| 00:26:52 | chrisjs169 | *too |
| 00:27:42 | Leetlandon | Okay. |
| 00:27:44 | Leetlandon | Thanks. |
| 00:29:05 | chrisjs169 | all the default WPS's are there, so I'm guessing it's a bug (?) |
| 00:31:33 | Nico_P | Bagder: around ? |
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| 00:43:54 | chrisjs169 | 2 hours ago he was |
| 00:44:58 | chrisjs169 | whois says he's been idle 1 hour 56 mins |
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| 00:46:36 | amiconn | jhMikeS: ping... |
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| 00:54:48 | Leetlandon | 1 out of 1 hunk failed −− saving rejects to file rockbox/apps/plugins/doom/i_video.c.rej |
| 00:55:20 | Leetlandon | (sansa) |
| 00:56:44 | chrisjs169 | wow, i was just fiddling around with that patch :P |
| 00:57:07 | Leetlandon | How do I get it working? |
| 00:57:09 | chrisjs169 | it's actually not a patch....the 'patcher' included the whole modified file, so you need to cp it to apps/plugins/doom |
| 00:57:42 | chrisjs169 | afaik, you may want to read the first few lines of the file, just in case i was wrong |
| 00:58:04 | Leetlandon | −−- rockbox/apps/plugins/doom/i_video.c2006-12-13 05:44:17.000000000 +0100 |
| 00:58:05 | Leetlandon | +++ rockbox/apps/plugins/doom/i_video.c2006-12-21 23:59:21.859375000 +0100 |
| 00:58:05 | Leetlandon | @@ -178,15 +178,15 @@ |
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| 00:58:26 | chrisjs169 | ok, hold on |
| 00:58:38 | rob | Hey, can some one awsner a question |
| 00:58:47 | Leetlandon | Yep? |
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| 00:59:26 | rob | I was woundering, If i install rock box then will it delet everything on my ipod and or also make it imposible for me to get back to the normal ipod menu? |
| 00:59:34 | Leetlandon | Nope. |
| 00:59:36 | rob | *delete |
| 00:59:57 | Leetlandon | You install it, and it makes a folder and a file that makes it boot it. |
| 00:59:57 | rob | So i can choose to boot rock box or normal ipod |
| 01:00 |
| 01:00:16 | Leetlandon | To boot into the normal mode you just hold << right after you power on. |
| 01:00:20 | Leetlandon | Yep. |
| 01:00:29 | rob | kk |
| 01:00:42 | joshin | According to the wiki for the e2xx series, someone is working on getting the FM radio working but it doesn't say who. Is it a secret? :) |
| 01:00:58 | rob | Also for the games can it suport emulators and roms? |
| 01:01:09 | joshin | That's what I'd be interested in poking at but don't want to start working on it if it is almost done. |
| 01:01:22 | chrisjs169 | joshin: I guess so :) |
| 01:01:42 | chrisjs169 | hmm |
| 01:02:00 | chrisjs169 | ....if only the e200 build would compile for me..... |
| 01:02:08 | joshin | chrisjs169: so you're the volunteer? Or did everyone take a step back when the devs were lined up so that you'd get stuck with it |
| 01:02:30 | Leetlandon | Hmm? |
| 01:02:38 | chrisjs169 | joshin: i don't program :P |
| 01:03:11 | chrisjs169 | i originally came here trying to figure out why this compile isn't working, but ended up forgetting about it |
| 01:03:37 | joshin | Aah. You were referring to the 'secret' part and not admitting that you were working on getting the tuner working. Stupid sleep adled brain. |
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| 01:03:47 | Leetlandon | But how do i do this damn patch!? |
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| 01:03:59 | rob | do i need to download the rock box player or installer? |
| 01:04:03 | joshin | chrisjs169: so what's your compile issue? It was super easy to build. |
| 01:04:08 | Leetlandon | Follow the instructions. |
| 01:04:19 | pixelma | in the manual |
| 01:04:22 | joshin | Leetlandon: from what directory are you trying to apply the patch |
| 01:04:24 | rob | k |
| 01:04:41 | Leetlandon | apps/plugin/doom/ |
| 01:04:42 | chrisjs169 | joshin: i've compiled it about a dozen times properly, im just trying to compile it a certain way, which doesn't seem to work |
| 01:06:23 | rob | there are 2 difreent downlaods for the 30 g, there is a 512 and a 2048-byte sectors, witch one do i need to downlaod or does it matter? |
| 01:06:51 | Leetlandon | Trying to do this patch |
| 01:06:51 | Leetlandon | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6467 |
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| 01:07:38 | chrisjs169 | for my compile issue, i know it's my fault, because when i download and compile all of it myself, it's fine, but when i start modifying files it messes up |
| 01:08:07 | joshin | Leetlandon: what patch command are you running? |
| 01:08:18 | Leetlandon | Cygwin |
| 01:08:33 | joshin | And with what flags? |
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| 01:08:48 | Leetlandon | Whats that? |
| 01:09:40 | pixelma | rob: it depends on whether you have an older Ipod video, or a new one (so-called 5.5 generation). Those were released in late last summer I believe (though I'm no Ipod expert) |
| 01:10:49 | Leetlandon | Whats flags? |
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| 01:12:35 | linuxstb_ | rob: Do you have a Mac-formatted ipod? |
| 01:13:44 | rob | no windows |
| 01:13:45 | Leetlandon | Joshin? |
| 01:13:55 | rob | okay i got rock box on my ipod now |
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| 01:15:02 | Leetlandon | Cannot find file to patch at input line 3 |
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| 01:15:41 | rob | how do i load normal ipod instead of rockbox? |
| 01:15:50 | Leetlandon | hold << when you boot |
| 01:16:19 | linuxstb | rob: Turn the hold-switch on as soon as you see the apple logo (or before) |
| 01:16:41 | Leetlandon | Oh. |
| 01:16:49 | rob | oh sweet |
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| 01:17:03 | Leetlandon | Linuxstb, can you help me? |
| 01:17:18 | rob | I cnat seem to get idoom to work now |
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| 01:17:24 | linuxstb | Leetlandon: Use patch -p1 |
| 01:17:34 | chrisjs169 | hmm...make error 127... |
| 01:17:36 | rob | where is that at? |
| 01:17:38 | leftright | the H120/140 link in the Current Build page returns error 404 |
| 01:17:55 | rob | where do i get the patch |
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| 01:18:15 | joshin | Leetlandon: sorry, was busy with the kids |
| 01:18:19 | chrisjs169 | leftright: i believe they're making new build |
| 01:18:20 | chrisjs169 | s |
| 01:18:20 | joshin | Oops |
| 01:18:31 | linuxstb | leftright: I've just tried it and it works fine - http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-h120/rockbox.zip |
| 01:18:46 | leftright | thanks, I'll try that |
| 01:18:58 | rob | where do i place the patch file? |
| 01:19:09 | rob | to get idoom to work |
| 01:19:29 | amiconn | leftright: If a build is currently running, not all download links work. You can see that if you refresh the page, the link is gone then |
| 01:19:46 | amiconn | It will be back after a few minutes, depending on how long the build takes |
| 01:19:54 | chrisjs169 | usually takes around 6 mins or so |
| 01:20:13 | * | amiconn just committed an AIFF fix, that's why a build was running :) |
| 01:20:22 | chrisjs169 | all except source code is up |
| 01:20:36 | rob | i_video patch, is that what i need to get idoom to work? |
| 01:20:40 | leftright | aha, thanks amiconn, bad timing on my behalf |
| 01:21:37 | pixelma | rob: I believe idoom is part of the ipodlinux project. If you are interested in rockbox's implementation I suggest reading http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDOom?topic=%5EPluginDoom |
| 01:22:19 | linuxstb | rob: And no, you don't need i_video.patch |
| 01:23:32 | rob | k |
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| 01:24:28 | pixelma | sorry for the slightly messed up link but it still works correctly |
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| 01:26:29 | rob | do i need more then one .wad file? |
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| 01:27:07 | chrisjs169 | yay, sansa compiles correctly now....guess it helps if $PATH is set correctly :P |
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| 01:29:38 | rob | I go to the plugins in rock box and i click boom and i get an arror, im just woundering if i need more then one .wad file to run it, because i made a new folder and i added the .wad file it had (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDOom?topic=%5EPluginDoom) |
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| 01:30:32 | amiconn | barrywardell: ATA controller in the Sansa? ;) |
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| 01:31:20 | barrywardell | well, it's still called ata-e200.c, but I guess that's a bit of a misnomer :P |
| 01:32:43 | barrywardell | I was thinking it would be worth checking if those changes would help the ipod's battery consumption too |
| 01:33:03 | barrywardell | it would be a good test for someone with an ipod to do |
| 01:33:51 | amiconn | LCD controller shutdown makes no sense iiuc |
| 01:34:11 | amiconn | On the greyscale ipods anyway, and people say the 5G LCD is readable w/o backlight |
| 01:34:49 | rob | I cant get doom to work what the fuck like im so confused im looking at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDOom?topic=%5EPluginDoom i made the new folder for doom and i added the .wad file it has here to dowload |
| 01:34:52 | barrywardell | but in the FS task, toni claims it saves 12mA. I think that makes it worthwhile |
| 01:34:54 | rob | and i get a plugin error |
| 01:35:13 | * | amiconn wonders whether the ATA controller actually enables the controller, or whether it's in fact ATA power... |
| 01:35:35 | amiconn | 12mA just for the lcd controller sounds wrong... |
| 01:36:19 | barrywardell | that's what he claims anyway. I haven't done measurements myself |
| 01:36:49 | chrisjs169 | what's up with the source build? it's been almost 20 mins now, and it hasn't appeared on the builds page |
| 01:37:07 | chrisjs169 | oh wait |
| 01:37:20 | chrisjs169 | new build... |
| 01:37:23 | | Part toffe82 |
| 01:37:29 | * | chrisjs169 waits a few mins |
| 01:38:18 | chrisjs169 | yay, it's up :P |
| 01:38:25 | chrisjs169 | seems like both times i had missed it |
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| 01:40:30 | * | Nico_P is reading about branches in SVN... very interesting |
| 01:40:46 | Nico_P | shouldn't we use them more ? |
| 01:43:13 | rob | Some one help please, i cant get doom to work, like how many .wad files am i supose to have? like i falled the shit ass instrcutions made a fold in the .rockbox fold like it said i put the wad files that i could actuly find, i had the .wad it says i need to have, hell i added the freedoom wads, I CANT GET IT TO WORK! |
| 01:43:48 | Nico_P | rob: create a "doom" folder in the ".rockbox" folder and then put the .wad files in it |
| 01:43:58 | rob | thats what i did |
| 01:44:06 | Nico_P | and then what did you do ? |
| 01:44:14 | kkurbjun | rob, did you try the files here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxExtras |
| 01:44:20 | rob | i keap on getting a plugin error |
| 01:44:26 | kkurbjun | and just extract the 6.6mb zip to your player |
| 01:44:46 | rob | k |
| 01:45:38 | * | leftright suggests that doom be removed from the plugins :> |
| 01:46:20 | * | kkurbjun doesn't |
| 01:46:25 | rob | *listens to lefts surgestion |
| 01:46:51 | rob | moment of truth |
| 01:47:45 | rob | so far so good |
| 01:47:48 | Ctcp | Version from chrisjs169!n=jack@unaffiliated/chrisjs169 |
| 01:48:34 | kkurbjun | rob, is is working now? |
| 01:49:58 | rob | yah it worksyah |
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| 01:50:06 | rob | man im bad at this game XD lol |
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| 01:50:21 | kkurbjun | rob, where were you having trouble with the directions? |
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| 01:50:59 | rob | i wasnt, i keapt on getting a plugin error |
| 01:51:19 | kkurbjun | that's because the files were not in the proper place |
| 01:51:35 | rob | i made a new folder called doom in the .rockbox folder |
| 01:51:50 | kkurbjun | look at the zip file and see the layout, let me know what you were doing different |
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| 01:51:57 | kkurbjun | the last zip you downloaded |
| 01:52:01 | rob | there was a problem with the .wads i had im gusseing |
| 01:52:14 | kkurbjun | I'd like to make the directions easier if possible |
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| 01:52:29 | kkurbjun | did you get the wads from the wiki page? |
| 01:52:34 | rob | the last zip i downloaded i copied the files into the doom folder i allready made then it worked |
| 01:53:33 | jhMikeS | amiconn: gnip |
| 01:53:58 | rob | can you get game boy games on your ipod with rock box? |
| 01:54:03 | pixelma | jhMikeS: case closed - see recent commits ;) |
| 01:54:19 | jhMikeS | ok, I've just been busy |
| 01:55:00 | joshin | According to the wiki for the e2xx series, someone is working on getting the FM radio working but it doesn't say who. Is it a secret? :) |
| 01:55:05 | joshin | That's what I'd be interested in poking at but don't want to start working on it if it is almost done. |
| 01:55:11 | kkurbjun | rob, yes you just have to have a rom image and you simply "open" it by selecting in in the file list |
| 01:55:55 | rob | so by rom image that really means? (sorry im alittle noobish ^^;) |
| 01:56:39 | barrywardell | joshin: I don't think it's almost done. poke away! |
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| 01:57:03 | kkurbjun | a .gb or .gbc file |
| 01:57:06 | Leetlandon | Hey, im having trouble doing a batch |
| 01:58:41 | Leetlandon | Hunk #1 Failed at 178 |
| 01:58:44 | rob | so just get a gb or gbc and where do i need to put the file? like in a new directory |
| 01:58:54 | kkurbjun | rob, these are public domain roms for the gameboy, I have never tried them though so I don't know how well they work. http://www.zophar.net/roms.phtml?op=show&type=gb |
| 01:59:02 | chrisjs169 | Leetlandon: what patch? |
| 01:59:21 | Leetlandon | Doom scroll wheel patch for sansa |
| 01:59:23 | kkurbjun | rob, you can put teh files wherever you want |
| 01:59:48 | jhMikeS | odd since apple's own docs say "For the Common Chunk, ckSize is always 18." |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:40 | rob | and it will still show up in the plugin section and playable |
| 02:00:41 | kkurbjun | rob, no |
| 02:00:41 | jhMikeS | guess some file writer mess it up, nothing wrong with tolerating that |
| 02:00:41 | kkurbjun | you have to go to the file view and you can open them by selecting them |
| 02:00:52 | rob | k |
| 02:00:54 | kkurbjun | like you would select a jpg or mp3 |
| 02:01:10 | Leetlandon | chris:http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?tasks=&project=1&string=sansa&type=4&sev=&due=&dev=&cat=&status=&date=0 |
| 02:01:14 | pixelma | jhMikeS: that was my file that it was tested with and it didn't work, somewhere amiconn found spec that said it's allowed to be more |
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| 02:01:58 | chrisjs169 | Leetlandon: 6467 right? |
| 02:02:04 | Leetlandon | What? |
| 02:02:10 | Leetlandon | Yeah. |
| 02:04:12 | chrisjs169 | Leetlandon: dinner, brb =/ |
| 02:05:01 | pixelma | jhMikeS: on a related note (though that might be a different part of the code) - the wrong file stopped the playlist here and it was not only skipped |
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| 02:08:50 | jhMikeS | pixelma: must be a newer one than I have then |
| 02:09:51 | pixelma | sorry, what exactly are you referring too? |
| 02:10:24 | pixelma | *to |
| 02:10:30 | jhMikeS | pixelma: the spec I have is 1.3 for AIFF which is way back in 1989 so they might have changed it :\ |
| 02:11:25 | jhMikeS | pixelma: I'm not clear about what you mean about the playlist stop. You mean a wrong file stopped playback instead of skipping the file? |
| 02:12:02 | pixelma | yes, that's what I meant. A bit late here... |
| 02:12:38 | jhMikeS | hmmm, can't say I've had anything to do at all with that code |
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| 02:13:51 | pixelma | that was the "wrong" aiff file - so I don't know if it's a general problem or related to the codec |
| 02:14:08 | jhMikeS | which player? |
| 02:14:12 | pixelma | M5 |
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| 02:14:59 | jhMikeS | SW playback has never been very friendly when codecs fail |
| 02:15:34 | pixelma | thought so |
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| 02:41:24 | Rob24 | IS there any way to actuly save you game if you playing a game boy colour emulator? |
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| 03:28:40 | Leetlandon | Im having trouble patching |
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| 03:33:48 | TrueJournals | Leetlandon: what kind of trouble? |
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| 03:35:10 | Leetlandon | Hunk 178 |
| 03:36:02 | TrueJournals | Leetlandon: That doesn't really help... I'm guessing the patch isn't patching cleanly? Which patch is it? |
| 03:36:36 | Leetlandon | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6467 |
| 03:36:48 | Leetlandon | Doom scroll wheel patch. |
| 03:36:55 | Leetlandon | Sorry, had trouble finding the patch code. |
| 03:37:21 | TrueJournals | Probably just out of date... you can try applying the failed hunks by yourself |
| 03:37:35 | Leetlandon | How? |
| 03:37:54 | TrueJournals | Well, first, I should ask if you applied any other patches before trying to apply that one? |
| 03:38:11 | Leetlandon | Nope, this is the first one. |
| 03:38:22 | Leetlandon | Ive read all the documentations. |
| 03:38:46 | TrueJournals | OK... in that case... I'll tell you how to apply the failed hunks manually. It's useful to know if it ever happens with another patch |
| 03:38:58 | Leetlandon | Thanks! |
| 03:39:15 | TrueJournals | It should give you a list of files that failed and say it created a reject file at (filename).rej |
| 03:39:36 | Leetlandon | Yep |
| 03:40:08 | TrueJournals | simple open that file, open the original file... now, this will show the code. In the .rej file, any line that does not have a + or - before it should be in the original code. Any line with a - should be removed from the original code, and any line with a + should be added to the original code |
| 03:40:31 | TrueJournals | Look for a line before a + or -, and search for it in the original code, then, add or remove the lines accordingly |
| 03:40:42 | Leetlandon | Origninal code? |
| 03:40:53 | Leetlandon | Oh, the C file? |
| 03:40:55 | TrueJournals | Original code = original file (filename) |
| 03:40:58 | TrueJournals | yes |
| 03:42:18 | TrueJournals | Now, once you apply it manually, it should compile and work fine... If it doesn't, then something major in the code was changed. Post on the tracker saying that the patch is out of date, and hopefully someone will fix it for you (but it might take a couple of days) |
| 03:46:42 | Leetlandon | Should I modify the original with the patch data? |
| 03:47:14 | TrueJournals | yes, add the lines that start with + and remove the lines that start with - |
| 03:47:22 | Leetlandon | Alright, got it. |
| 03:47:26 | Leetlandon | Thanks a bunch. |
| 03:47:36 | TrueJournals | No problem |
| 03:47:38 | TrueJournals | good luck |
| 03:48:14 | Leetlandon | Alright, compilling. |
| 03:49:15 | Leetlandon | Where are you from? |
| 03:50:14 | TrueJournals | Chicago |
| 03:50:23 | Leetlandon | You watching Heroes? |
| 03:50:34 | TrueJournals | Nah :-\ |
| 03:50:45 | TrueJournals | Well, I gotta go... good luck with the patches ;-) |
| 03:50:45 | Leetlandon | You serious. |
| 03:50:48 | Leetlandon | Thanks, bye. |
| 03:50:51 | TrueJournals | and yes |
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| 04:28:45 | chris2142sd | Hi, I don't see the nano 2g in the wiki, but I could have sworn I heard people talking about it working on here. whats up? |
| 04:29:40 | hcs | it has almost completely different hardware and will not be supported in the forseeable future |
| 04:30:32 | chris2142sd | hmm. That's strange. I guess I heard wrong. |
| 04:30:58 | hcs | maybe I missed something? |
| 04:31:55 | chris2142sd | I probably just heard wrong. Was support for the nano 1g just added? |
| 04:32:09 | hcs | no |
| 04:32:27 | chris2142sd | how about support for some other ipod incarnation? |
| 04:32:31 | hcs | not sure when it was added, but it has been a few months |
| 04:33:03 | hcs | support for some of the 5.5g ipod videos was making progress |
| 04:33:03 | chris2142sd | This would have been sometime between now and the beginning of march. I could have just heard wrong too. |
| 04:33:08 | scorche | support for the 1st gen has been a little over a year, i suppose |
| 04:33:26 | chris2142sd | I guess I'll be buying a sansa then;) |
| 04:39:19 | Leetlandon | I just installed Rockbox on my sansa yesterday, and I think its the greatest, highly recommended. |
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| 04:52:44 | Leetlandon | How do I use rdftobinary.c ? |
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| 04:58:33 | Leetlandon | When I run Rdf2binary it says Some Files could no be found.? |
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| 05:08:25 | Leetlandon | How do I run wn2rdf.pl? |
| 05:10:23 | aliask|uni | Leetlandon: You need a perl interpreter. |
| 05:10:41 | aliask|uni | On windows you might try activeperl |
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| 05:39:46 | hcs | hi, I'm working on a presentation I'm supposed to give tomorrow night on rockbox, here's my intended outline at the moment http://eden.rutgers.edu/~agashlin/rockbox.html |
| 05:39:51 | hcs | any suggestions/comments? |
| 05:40:49 | hcs | note that the intended audience is a school linux users' group |
| 05:41:48 | chrisjs169 | looks good |
| 05:42:54 | chrisjs169 | maybe mention plugins a little more |
| 05:42:54 | hcs | I intend to run through some demonstrations on a simulator (since it'll be hard to show the actual screens to a group), and I'll have my iPod photo and Gigabeat for people to poke at afterwards |
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| 05:43:19 | chrisjs169 | nice |
| 05:43:21 | hcs | I'm definitely going to demo the wiki viewer |
| 05:43:46 | chrisjs169 | also, you may want to mention that you can still boot the OF |
| 05:43:54 | hcs | ok |
| 05:46:23 | scorche | hcs: i would give creative's disabling of fm recording in a new firmware as an example |
| 05:46:44 | hcs | ouch, good point |
| 05:47:30 | hcs | richard stallman gave a talk about copyright, anti-drm, etc. here a few weeks back, so I'll be presenting it as a way to free one's iPod as well |
| 05:48:04 | scorche | also, recording isnt through a plugin |
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| 05:48:42 | hcs | scorche: I don't see why that matters |
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| 05:49:01 | hcs | did I misstate that? |
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| 05:49:01 | scorche | it doesnt, but you just had that in the list under plugins =P |
| 05:49:34 | hcs | oh, good point |
| 05:49:47 | BHSPitMonkey | hcs, who to? |
| 05:50:09 | hcs | rutgers university student linux users' group |
| 05:50:26 | hcs | assuming you mean "who am I giving this talk to" |
| 05:51:23 | BHSPitMonkey | yeah |
| 05:51:32 | BHSPitMonkey | that message was supposed to go much, much earlier |
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| 05:51:46 | scorche | hcs: also, browsing through ArticlesAboutRockbox might be a good idea...there are some decent ones in there by open source sites |
| 05:51:56 | hcs | good idea! |
| 05:52:32 | scorche | including one that mentions the creative thing and tells about why rockbox is such a good thing |
| 05:53:36 | hcs | I'm not missing a more direct link here, am I... we don't support the creative player in question, right? |
| 05:53:44 | scorche | we dont |
| 05:53:55 | scorche | but it is an example of what those companies do |
| 05:54:24 | hcs | true |
| 05:55:40 | hcs | do I characterize the Archos origins correctly? I have no experience with them |
| 05:57:24 | scorche | pretty much....the archos interface just sucked |
| 05:58:11 | chrisjs169 | hmm...modifying e200_lcd2.patch (#6800) seems to cause my sansa to fade to white... |
| 05:58:12 | scorche | also some recorder v2 models were actually fm recorders in disguise...they just had the FM funcions disabled in firmware |
| 05:58:30 | chrisjs169 | hopefully just a bug |
| 05:58:35 | scorche | http://lwn.net/Articles/204130/ is the article i was referring to |
| 05:58:42 | chrisjs169 | (on my part) |
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| 06:04:43 | chrisjs169 | hmm...patch doesn't work |
| 06:04:49 | chrisjs169 | oh well =/ |
| 06:04:51 | chrisjs169 | g2g |
| 06:10:33 | hcs | the big question: do I offer to install it for people? |
| 06:10:50 | scorche | why not? |
| 06:11:19 | hcs | I'd then feel obligated to support it |
| 06:11:40 | scorche | tell them the url of the manual, and this irc channel |
| 06:11:50 | hcs | I suppose |
| 06:11:51 | scorche | installing is easy enough now-a-days |
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| 06:24:33 | BHSPitMonkey | hcs, you should instead offer them guidance in learning how to install. |
| 06:24:45 | BHSPitMonkey | best to teach these people how to fish than to feed them |
| 06:25:14 | BHSPitMonkey | they're the type of people who can handle it, anyways |
| 06:25:20 | BHSPitMonkey | it's a LUG, right |
| 06:25:35 | hcs | yeah |
| 06:25:37 | BHSPitMonkey | anyone who couldn't handle a rockbox install would have bad luck running it |
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| 07:43:20 | amiconn | jhMikeS: It was not the spec itself which said that the COMM chunk can be larger than 18(+8) bytes, but an article explaining the aiff format. It states that while a standard COMM chunk is 18 bytes, a parser should tolerate a longer one because of possible format extensions |
| 07:44:08 | amiconn | jhMikeS: And btw, apple has the aiff specs online: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/mac/Sound/Sound-61.html |
| 07:44:43 | amiconn | We could also support AIFF-C (AIFC) files, at least the type with no compression |
| 07:45:34 | amiconn | (a quite common limitation for audio programs supporting AIFC) |
| 07:48:01 | JdGordon | amiconn: how many codecs do we have which need the whole buffer in one block to work? just midi? |
| 07:52:01 | amiconn | Currently none. |
| 07:52:19 | amiconn | midi as a codec would need even more than just the whole midi file at once |
| 07:52:35 | JdGordon | well.. I meant as a plugin or codec... |
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| 07:53:26 | JdGordon | pondlife got me thinking about the proper buffer handler again and I wanted to know if we need to worry about those codecs or not |
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| 07:53:47 | amiconn | I think we should, but midi is even more special, as I said |
| 07:54:08 | amiconn | I can't think of a nice solution for supporting midi in the playback system |
| 07:56:31 | JdGordon | Im starting to lean towards a memory layout with a block section and then a ring buffer after that, both being able to be resized fairly easily so those codecs would just resize the block section to the size they need and the playback engine would then buffer into the ring untill the block can be shrunk again (it would also be used for the current tracks Mob also)... |
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| 07:56:47 | amiconn | Practically all the mod formats need the whole file at once. SID is an example, and so the sid codec has to copy them. It copies them to a n own, static buffer, and since sid files are small, this always works |
| 07:56:48 | JdGordon | thats about as far as I've thought about it.. so its rough :p |
| 07:57:43 | amiconn | But for other mod format this won't work. It's this copying that limits the maximum mod size to 400-something KB for the mod codec in the tracker |
| 07:58:28 | amiconn | Even some ProTracker mods exceed this, and ImpulseTracker mods are usually much bigger |
| 07:59:15 | JdGordon | whats the general maximum one of these files would get to? 1mb? 5mb? |
| 07:59:48 | amiconn | There is no general maximum. I've seen ImpulseTracker mods >6MB, but there might be even larger ones |
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| 08:42:45 | tsuyoshi | there's a 400k limit? wow |
| 08:43:54 | tsuyoshi | randomly looking at files.. most of the mods I have are bigger than that |
| 08:44:09 | amiconn | Bagder: What's up with svn.rockbox.org? |
| 08:45:15 | amiconn | tsuyoshi: Classic mods are often smaller than that (Soundtracker/Noisetracker/Protracker/Startrekker), Impulsetracker and Screamtracker mods tend to be large |
| 08:45:26 | tsuyoshi | yeah |
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| 08:45:44 | amiconn | That's one reason why this codec is not yet in svn - we need to find a decent way to deal with those formats |
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| 08:46:41 | amiconn | Perhaps we should put it in svn though. Then people start using it and will complain about non-working mods... |
| 08:48:17 | JdGordon | I know ive asked before... but i cant remember if I got the answer or not.... who currently puts data onto the buffer (and requests the data size), playback.c or the actual codec? |
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| 08:54:25 | tsuyoshi | hmm.. how much ram do the different players have? |
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| 08:54:43 | JdGordon | ... Would be get away with a function to get X bytes from the ring, and a functoin to release a block from the ring? then the only hard part is when we need to wrap around the end of the buffer... if the requested size is too big (but it would fit at the start of the buffer) just skip that section and continue... |
| 08:54:58 | tsuyoshi | if you've only got a couple megs.. there's just no way to fit most mods in memory |
| 08:55:01 | JdGordon | that would allow MOD's to work, they just request enough for the whole file to sit in ram |
| 08:55:34 | JdGordon | tsuyoshi: the hwcodecs have 2mb, the x5 has 16mbb (iirc), and the rest have 32mb |
| 08:55:39 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart |
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| 08:57:16 | amiconn | Basically, all swcodec targets have 32MB with the following exceptions: iaudio X5, M5, and irivver H110/H115 (only those) have 16MB, the ipod video >=60GB has 64MB (which we don't use atm), and th iFP7xx has only 1MB |
| 08:58:20 | linuxstb_ | JdGordon: Have you looked at the codecs (apps/codecs/*.c) to see how the codec API is used ? (search for calls of the form ci->funcname()) |
| 08:58:26 | tsuyoshi | I see.. 32 megs is plenty |
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| 08:59:02 | tsuyoshi | back in the day.. I had a gus with 256k |
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| 08:59:17 | JdGordon | linuxstb_: no, but your saying the codec do the rebuffering, playback.c just manages the buffer? |
| 08:59:21 | tsuyoshi | probably 1/3 of mods wouldn't play on it |
| 08:59:32 | amiconn | morning B4gder |
| 08:59:33 | tsuyoshi | then I upgraded it to 1024k, and everything played |
| 08:59:45 | amiconn | B4gder: What's up with svn.rockbox.org? |
| 08:59:55 | linuxstb_ | JdGordon: No, I'm saying that if you look at the codecs, you'll see how they work... |
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| 09:00:09 | JdGordon | :( |
| 09:00:21 | tsuyoshi | up until about 96 when people started putting massive samples into their music |
| 09:00:27 | linuxstb_ | There are only a few codec API functions, so it's not complicated. |
| 09:09:40 | B4gder | amiconn: what's the problem? |
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| 09:10:45 | B4gder | hm |
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| 09:10:56 | amiconn | B4gder: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/plugins/mpegplayer/video_out_rockbox.c?r1=13252&r2=13253 |
| 09:11:06 | amiconn | Connection was reset... |
| 09:11:10 | B4gder | yeah, the web server seems to be dead or so |
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| 09:16:58 | linuxstb_ | Hmm, http://ipodlinux.org/PP5020 says 0x2000000 is the DEV_EN bit for ide0... |
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| 09:30:22 | linuxstb_ | Anyone know the difference between ata_enable() and ide_power_enable() ? |
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| 09:41:41 | JdGordon | Mr patients :D most ppl quit after 3min with no response |
| 09:41:55 | * | linuxstb is still here |
| 09:42:00 | scorche | hehe |
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| 10:09:22 | scorche | ugh...this email is getting too long |
| 10:11:38 | scorche | JdGordon: you can say your earlier statement now ;) |
| 10:12:00 | JdGordon | which? |
| 10:12:07 | JdGordon | oh... :) |
| 10:12:13 | scorche | ;) |
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| 10:27:57 | markun | the Blackfin processors look nice for a rockboxed DAP |
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| 10:30:22 | * | petur did some blackfin stuff last year, but only highlevel |
| 10:30:51 | petur | the analog devices debugger for it sucks big time |
| 10:35:07 | markun | so far I only found 2 blackfin based DAPs |
| 10:35:40 | B4gder | well, perhaps the manufactorers can't get the codecs and other stuff for it |
| 10:36:08 | B4gder | neuros for example went TI/arm for it being the cheapest |
| 10:36:40 | B4gder | i mean there are many different parameters for the selection |
| 10:36:48 | markun | yes, too bad. I see blackfin commits at ffmpeg and xiph from time to time |
| 10:37:22 | markun | never for the DM320 |
| 10:37:34 | markun | (of course) |
| 10:39:14 | B4gder | in my current project they do as much as possible within an FPGA... |
| 10:39:23 | B4gder | including usb, cpu etc |
| 10:39:40 | B4gder | not that it is a DAP but anyway |
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| 10:40:32 | markun | FPGA's are also interesting, quite a lot of cores on opencores.org already |
| 10:40:33 | scorche | FPGAs are fun to play with |
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| 10:41:04 | markun | B4gder: do you know anything about the power consumption of FPGAs? |
| 10:41:21 | B4gder | not really |
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| 10:41:29 | B4gder | but the soft CPUs are usually rather low performance |
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| 10:42:11 | B4gder | and I usually don't work with handhelds nor design the electronics so I tend to just ignore those parameters ;-) |
| 10:42:16 | scorche | i have only had experience with them as PCI cards |
| 10:42:45 | petur | the FPGA's we use here put out quite a bit of heat, but it's high performance stuff (telecom) |
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| 10:43:07 | B4gder | yes, they draw more if they do more of course |
| 10:43:11 | scorche | they can crunch numbers like one wouldnt believe ;) |
| 10:43:12 | petur | heh |
| 10:44:02 | B4gder | but they're crap at other sw-related stuff ;-) |
| 10:44:49 | * | B4gder draws the line between him and the "hw guys" exactly there. They do the FPGA/vhdl, I can poke on it from a CPU/memory/register |
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| 10:45:07 | petur | B4gder: same here |
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| 10:53:22 | markun | the Blackfin DAPs I have found so far are only the "Ainol V1000" and a chinese "MP4 player" |
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| 11:02:08 | B4gder | scorche: remember to mention the tshirts I'll ship you for the devcon west! ;-) |
| 11:02:19 | scorche | hehe |
| 11:02:55 | B4gder | people will line up for those! |
| 11:02:57 | B4gder | :-P |
| 11:02:59 | scorche | i was going to request that if people on the list ask for one, that you just tell them that they will get one at the grouping ;) |
| 11:03:41 | scorche | B4gder: i have to figure out where we will group up first! |
| 11:03:55 | scorche | s/group/line |
| 11:04:00 | B4gder | sure |
| 11:04:55 | B4gder | we're buying 30 shirts |
| 11:05:39 | scorche | alright...i am expecting 8-ish at this point, but you could probably see that ;) |
| 11:06:21 | B4gder | darn it, you might outgrow us! |
| 11:06:52 | scorche | heh |
| 11:08:27 | B4gder | on a totally unrelated topic |
| 11:08:39 | B4gder | zagor got a son saturday |
| 11:08:44 | B4gder | eeh |
| 11:08:46 | B4gder | daughter |
| 11:08:51 | B4gder | he already had a son |
| 11:09:07 | scorche | he give her svn rights yet? |
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| 11:09:44 | petur | probably an e-mail adress |
| 11:10:12 | scorche | i am going to have to congratulate him next time he comes in here to warn us of server maint ;) |
| 11:10:57 | B4gder | hehe, that'll be around may 5 then I guess |
| 11:11:11 | B4gder | the svn/build server is moving then |
| 11:11:17 | B4gder | physically |
| 11:12:37 | scorche | to another room in the building, or being colocated somewhere else? |
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| 11:13:07 | B4gder | from one server hall to another one in a different part of the city |
| 11:13:33 | scorche | any specific reason, or was it just asking for a change of scenery? |
| 11:14:07 | B4gder | just the hosting company moving to a better place (for them) |
| 11:14:22 | scorche | ah |
| 11:14:34 | scorche | how is rex doing? |
| 11:15:11 | B4gder | he's fine, he sits good but he hasn't started to move around on himself yet. 7 months old now |
| 11:15:31 | scorche | has it already been 7 months?...jees... |
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| 11:15:47 | B4gder | indeed |
| 11:16:05 | B4gder | I had no kids when rockbox started... |
| 11:16:17 | B4gder | look what it made to me! ;-) |
| 11:17:09 | B4gder | lunch |
| 11:17:15 | scorche | well, that *is* what happens when you "rock" the "box"... |
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| 11:24:03 | * | preglow hasn't had that happen to him yet |
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| 11:33:11 | * | JdGordon wonders if he can stick his hand up for a spare tshirt :D |
| 11:33:15 | JdGordon | hey pondlife |
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| 11:37:33 | pondlife | JdGordon: ho JdGordon |
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| 11:38:22 | JdGordon | you got me thinking about the buffer again.. and I tihnk ive got it this time :) |
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| 11:38:48 | pondlife | I don't think the actual buffer usage should change from the current situation really. |
| 11:39:24 | pondlife | Just be via simpler and more protective interfaces. |
| 11:39:45 | JdGordon | ok, well yeah, thats sort of worked out in my ead also |
| 11:40:01 | pondlife | I can't say I understand the whole thing at the moment myself :( |
| 11:40:58 | JdGordon | I think I've got it mostly figured out... playback.c would be very much simpler |
| 11:41:12 | pondlife | wiki it? |
| 11:41:34 | JdGordon | i started email but gave up half way through... yeah, ill do that soonish |
| 11:41:49 | pondlife | Thanks to LinusN I've got a working H300 again, so I'm a bit less frightened of playing with playback now... |
| 11:41:59 | JdGordon | :) |
| 11:42:19 | pondlife | I didn't think "It works on the sim" was a good reason to break playback ;) |
| 11:42:47 | pondlife | (Plus I now owe the project some work...) |
| 11:47:10 | JdGordon | I'm scared that I'm going to wiki up thte whole idea, then have someone say I got the whole current playback system wrong so it wont work :p |
| 11:47:44 | JdGordon | oh, can the hard disk be turned off if a fd is kept open? |
| 11:48:12 | pondlife | I would think so, but you could always write a test plugin |
| 11:48:17 | | Part ctaf |
| 11:48:39 | pondlife | Regarding your previous comment, that's exactly why it should be wikied first! |
| 11:50:42 | JdGordon | :) |
| 11:55:08 | LinusN | JdGordon: yes, you can turn off the hd with open file handles |
| 11:55:18 | LinusN | that's what the playback engine does |
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| 12:12:18 | jimbo | hi |
| 12:12:24 | jimbo | anyone around? |
| 12:12:37 | GodEater | one or two |
| 12:12:41 | B4gder | /whois anyone |
| 12:12:43 | B4gder | oops |
| 12:13:28 | jimbo | hehe i just got given a gigabeat f40, i take it if i put rockbox on it i can play vidios wtc? |
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| 12:13:30 | jimbo | etc* |
| 12:13:41 | B4gder | rockbox will make it fly |
| 12:14:01 | GodEater | and make coffee |
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| 12:15:26 | markun | jimbo: you can play videos (and they can even look very good) but you will have to trancode them yourself |
| 12:16:11 | markun | jimbo: don't be shocked by the way rockbox looks at first :) you can change all that |
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| 12:33:45 | jimbo | the f40 cant play avi's like tv eps can it? |
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| 12:34:38 | markun | jimbo: check the PM, I already explained it to you |
| 12:36:47 | jimbo | all good =) |
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| 12:59:01 | cybrhuman | Hi, is there a maillist or another easy way to keep updated on rockbox for a specific player (sandisk sansa e200)? |
| 12:59:15 | markun | cybrhuman: no, not really |
| 12:59:26 | markun | but you could keep an eye on the MajorChanges wiki |
| 12:59:32 | B4gder | cybrhuman: rockbox is mostly the same on all platforms |
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| 13:00:01 | cybrhuman | yes, but usb doesnt seem to work on sansa yet |
| 13:00:32 | B4gder | no, it doesn't work on any PP based target |
| 13:00:53 | cybrhuman | PP? |
| 13:00:59 | B4gder | portalplayer |
| 13:01:13 | cybrhuman | ok. |
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| 13:03:19 | cybrhuman | thanks for your time :-) |
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| 13:07:20 | jimbo | plasma is awsome |
| 13:08:05 | * | crop reminds markun about the pending patch for nimbus fonts (but doesn't remember the FS number). |
| 13:08:50 | crop | The patch does no goot to me though since I dont have the euro symbol in my tags. But just for the sake of completeness |
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| 13:16:02 | preglow | did anyone try the sansa power savings stuff on ipods? |
| 13:16:17 | preglow | i assume at least the ata controller poweroff might be applicable |
| 13:17:18 | B4gder | sounds resonable, yes |
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| 13:31:44 | jimbo | hehe i have no idea what im doing but im having fun =) |
| 13:32:23 | dionoea | hehe |
| 13:32:40 | Rob24 | I just got rock box and I put some roms on it and I was woundering if there is any way to get them to save |
| 13:32:47 | GodEater | preglow: I *think* linuxstb was looking at it this morning |
| 13:35:00 | jimbo | ok how i set a pic as my background? (anyway to have that plasma as background?) |
| 13:35:21 | * | petur whispers rtfm |
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| 13:38:49 | crop | petur: after the (not more so) recent changes re (mainly) the main menu but also loadable icons the manual has become quite obsolete |
| 13:39:24 | petur | not obsolete, maybe a bit outdated |
| 13:41:44 | crop | petur: yes. I mean, the main thing is not described −− how to navigate RB. Those who could write the manual are familiar with RB and don't need it. Hence no interest in writing. |
| 13:42:04 | petur | crop: not true |
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| 13:42:39 | B4gder | if that were true we wouldn't have a manual in the first place |
| 13:42:57 | petur | the manual is normally quite up to date, I guess the maintainers just have a lot of other stuff to do atm |
| 13:44:38 | crop | In the beginning, there was an urge. An there was a new documenting system (latex) and much enthusiasm. But after some time it dropped. |
| 13:44:43 | pixelma | crop: instead of "complaining" you could write a patch or at least a raw txt for such a chapter and put it to the patch tracker |
| 13:45:00 | B4gder | crop: you clearly haven't been around long if you say that |
| 13:45:13 | B4gder | in the beginning there was nothing |
| 13:45:13 | crop | pixelma: I suffer from the same: what I need to know I do know already. |
| 13:45:16 | B4gder | then nothing again |
| 13:45:21 | B4gder | and then a few more years with nothing |
| 13:45:27 | B4gder | then openoffice |
| 13:45:35 | B4gder | then latex |
| 13:45:43 | B4gder | and lots lots lots of work |
| 13:45:50 | pixelma | crop: so you don't have an interest to share your knowledge/give others help? |
| 13:46:03 | crop | B4gder: yes, I understand and I admire and appreciate that |
| 13:46:04 | AceNik | hey i was trying to patch , can anyone help me with this error i get, http://www.pastebin.ca/455684 |
| 13:46:21 | pixelma | put please don't draw conclusions that others think so too |
| 13:47:14 | crop | pixelma: ok, ok :-) |
| 13:47:26 | B4gder | I think the manual team have done a superb job, and its hardly their fault that the development sometimes go very fast |
| 13:47:44 | crop | AceNik: why do you need −−binary? |
| 13:48:16 | AceNik | crop:i dont understand what you refering to |
| 13:48:31 | crop | B4gder: I don't blame the manual team. They've really done a good job, I fully agree. |
| 13:48:45 | B4gder | AceNik: "can't find file to patch at input line 3614" sounds pretty descriptive to me... |
| 13:49:16 | B4gder | it even shows the path |
| 13:52:22 | PaulJam | crop: the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page suggests using the −−binary option. but i'm not sure why. |
| 13:52:49 | B4gder | I believe it is because windows users and line endings are a confusing combo... |
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| 13:53:25 | DooMMasteR | good morning |
| 13:53:30 | B4gder | and I also think it is rarely needed |
| 13:53:48 | DooMMasteR | can anyone help me....I'm looking for a "fast" build for the 3G ipod |
| 13:53:57 | AceNik_ | are the sokoban.sok file same as the sokoban.levels |
| 13:54:19 | B4gder | AceNik: ask the patch author |
| 13:54:27 | GodEater | DooMMasteR: why would you assume we post nothing but slow ones on the website, and keep the fast ones to ourselves ? |
| 13:55:11 | DooMMasteR | no...but the one from the website...is SLOW....in I hoped that there might be a faster one...with maybe less fetures |
| 13:55:14 | DooMMasteR | +a |
| 13:56:01 | DooMMasteR | or is it not build available that runs smooth on a 3g....due to its CPU.... |
| 13:57:24 | B4gder | DooMMasteR: don't hold your breath for Rockbox to ever run very good on that target |
| 13:57:50 | DooMMasteR | damn...I expected such an answer.... |
| 13:58:17 | DooMMasteR | so i'll stick to my 8GB ipod mini |
| 13:58:39 | GodEater | I thought they only went up to 6GB ? |
| 13:58:47 | DooMMasteR | which is defentely a lot faster |
| 13:59:00 | | Part LinusN |
| 13:59:05 | DooMMasteR | ^^i tweked it with an 8GB ST1.2 HDD |
| 13:59:15 | DooMMasteR | it was a 4GB |
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| 14:01:10 | DooMMasteR | but it will be replaces by a 16GB flashdrive |
| 14:01:17 | DooMMasteR | as they go under 150€ |
| 14:02:33 | DooMMasteR | but atm they cost about 200€ |
| 14:02:35 | DooMMasteR | :| |
| 14:03:00 | DooMMasteR | than the mini will stay my favorite...since is has ROCKBOX on it |
| 14:04:30 | Guile | does someone know why scrolling is slow compared to the apple OS on the ipod video |
| 14:04:50 | DooMMasteR | the CPU prob |
| 14:04:52 | DooMMasteR | hmmm |
| 14:04:57 | DooMMasteR | try a COP build |
| 14:05:02 | * | amiconn wonders whether dan_a decided to drop G3 develompment... :\ |
| 14:05:19 | | Part cybrhuman |
| 14:05:57 | DooMMasteR | ^^they use the second ARM core....and offer smooth scrolling during playback |
| 14:06:15 | preglow | i think we should consider dropping the ports if so |
| 14:06:24 | preglow | few people use old ipods, heh |
| 14:06:40 | Guile | what do you mean un cop build |
| 14:06:45 | Guile | a cop build |
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| 14:08:00 | DooMMasteR | http://www.senab.co.uk/rockbox/download.asp |
| 14:09:21 | Guile | is it a "fork" ? |
| 14:09:35 | DooMMasteR | julius jbuilds also have COP support |
| 14:09:45 | DooMMasteR | kernel_on_cop was the patch |
| 14:09:51 | DooMMasteR | http://solutions-i.org/julius/rockbox/ |
| 14:10:12 | lachlan569 | COP is already is SVN (I think) |
| 14:10:21 | DooMMasteR | really??? |
| 14:10:25 | preglow | hrm |
| 14:10:26 | amiconn | Current svn builds use the cop |
| 14:10:29 | preglow | did slasheri commit his cop fixes? |
| 14:10:44 | amiconn | Not properly tjough, but the kernel-on-cop patch has the same problem |
| 14:11:05 | Guile | there are several rockbox distributions, like linux ? |
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| 14:11:20 | DooMMasteR | ^^yes |
| 14:11:29 | Guile | okay, I didn't know ^^ |
| 14:11:45 | preglow | well, not quite |
| 14:11:52 | preglow | there are unofficial builds which have additional functionality |
| 14:11:54 | preglow | which might be flakey |
| 14:11:58 | preglow | we're the only official build |
| 14:12:04 | DooMMasteR | no real distros but build with advanced patches |
| 14:12:09 | Guile | okay |
| 14:13:02 | Guile | So which should I choose |
| 14:13:13 | Guile | julius or senab |
| 14:13:14 | DooMMasteR | the native |
| 14:13:19 | DooMMasteR | ohh |
| 14:13:21 | DooMMasteR | hmmm |
| 14:13:32 | jimbo | where i go to add a background so lost hehe |
| 14:13:32 | DooMMasteR | the julius |
| 14:13:57 | Guile | okay |
| 14:14:34 | Guile | the thing that is practical on the apple os, is the letter which appears when you scroll fast |
| 14:15:03 | DooMMasteR | hmmm |
| 14:15:18 | DooMMasteR | don't have that feature on my mini :P |
| 14:15:30 | Guile | =) okay |
| 14:16:09 | Guile | I guess that the 5g build is compatible with the "5.5g" |
| 14:16:34 | DooMMasteR | oeh.....hmmmm |
| 14:16:36 | DooMMasteR | kp |
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| 14:17:03 | jimbo | dosent let u fastforward a movie? |
| 14:17:09 | preglow | no |
| 14:17:18 | preglow | and it's "you", not "u" |
| 14:17:25 | Guile | "kp" ? |
| 14:17:31 | DooMMasteR | http://geektechnique.org/images/1331t.jpg |
| 14:17:38 | Guile | I'm french so excuse my english :D |
| 14:17:52 | DooMMasteR | no problem....I'm german |
| 14:18:04 | DooMMasteR | morning neighbour |
| 14:18:04 | intgr | Hello, this doesnt' seem to be addressed in the FAQ: which MP3 player should I buy if I don't want to support non-evil manufacturers, and want to run Rockbox on it? |
| 14:18:22 | intgr | Err, don't want to support evil manufacturers :) |
| 14:18:46 | Guile | ach, ich mag deutschland |
| 14:18:49 | B4gder | then buy from the non-evil ones |
| 14:18:50 | preglow | what is evil in this context? |
| 14:19:14 | intgr | DRM is a certain sign of evilness. |
| 14:19:16 | DooMMasteR | apples pid's are not RoHS conform |
| 14:19:26 | B4gder | they're not? |
| 14:19:28 | DooMMasteR | they dropped DRM partly |
| 14:19:38 | DooMMasteR | nope |
| 14:19:40 | intgr | <B4dger> then buy from the non-evil ones |
| 14:19:41 | DooMMasteR | not yet |
| 14:19:45 | intgr | That was pretty much my question. |
| 14:19:59 | B4gder | I thought you had to be Rohs compliant in europe |
| 14:19:59 | intgr | Which ones should I consider? |
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| 14:20:18 | B4gder | intgr: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide |
| 14:20:19 | DooMMasteR | Greenpeace pulicated a list of evil manufracteurs of electronics |
| 14:20:29 | intgr | B4gder: Ah, thanks for pointing that out. |
| 14:20:37 | B4gder | intgr: and exclude the ones you think are evil ;-) |
| 14:20:48 | B4gder | most companies support DRM in one way or another |
| 14:21:19 | DooMMasteR | i would try the sansa..... |
| 14:21:25 | intgr | Right. |
| 14:21:44 | DooMMasteR | because (maybe) it will become expandable |
| 14:21:49 | DooMMasteR | (mini sd cards) |
| 14:21:55 | B4gder | maybe? |
| 14:22:01 | DooMMasteR | if rockbox will ever support that feature |
| 14:22:07 | B4gder | ah, right |
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| 14:22:13 | intgr | Why wouldn't it? |
| 14:22:24 | B4gder | because it isn't supported now |
| 14:22:26 | DooMMasteR | it's not supportet yet |
| 14:22:28 | pondlife | Because nobody worked on it? |
| 14:22:48 | DooMMasteR | but someones was working on the FM support |
| 14:22:59 | DooMMasteR | and that is a nice feature |
| 14:23:11 | intgr | "Because nobody worked on it" does not sound like a good reason to *never* implement SD...\ |
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| 14:23:19 | DooMMasteR | anaother point is the price...it is cheap |
| 14:23:22 | intgr | But never mind. |
| 14:23:27 | preglow | it isn't a good point |
| 14:23:31 | preglow | but someone still has to do it some time |
| 14:23:32 | pondlife | intgr: I meant from a future point of view |
| 14:23:39 | pondlife | i.e. Because nobody had worked on it. |
| 14:23:45 | intgr | Right. |
| 14:24:09 | jimbo | ok just checking theres no way to make it fastforward a movie? (if i have to stop half way through and do somthing else i dont want to wait for it to get to same spot lol) |
| 14:24:12 | DooMMasteR | the 8GB version is about 120€ |
| 14:24:20 | DooMMasteR | and that is CHEAP |
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| 14:24:46 | PaulJam | Concerning the BuyersGuide wikipage: isn't the sansa display 176x220 instead of 220x176? |
| 14:24:56 | B4gder | yes |
| 14:24:56 | DooMMasteR | jep |
| 14:25:24 | jimbo | hmm thats not good lol |
| 14:25:33 | * | amiconn thinks cowon can be counted as non-evil |
| 14:25:33 | DooMMasteR | why?? |
| 14:25:51 | DooMMasteR | yes...but the X5 is discontinued.... |
| 14:25:56 | DooMMasteR | and not cheap |
| 14:26:09 | DooMMasteR | and HDD based |
| 14:26:23 | jimbo | oh my "thats not good" was refering to not being able to fforward movies |
| 14:26:27 | * | B4gder likes his X5 |
| 14:26:45 | DooMMasteR | but it is a jukebox...if you are looking for something with more than 10GB storage....that would be my first choice |
| 14:26:57 | amiconn | Being HDD based can be counted as an advantage, depending on what you want to use your dap for |
| 14:27:02 | intgr | Why would I want a HDD? |
| 14:27:16 | amiconn | There are simply no flash players with 30GB+ yet |
| 14:27:29 | DooMMasteR | I'll get rid of the HDD in my mini as fast as possible |
| 14:27:36 | DooMMasteR | 16GB flash are a lot better |
| 14:28:14 | DooMMasteR | ^^^don't make me prove you wron...i'll get a 32GB cf card (300€ and create the biggest mini ever ;P |
| 14:28:25 | preglow | are the gsoc projects counted as finally allocated yet? |
| 14:28:57 | B4gder | preglow: I think so, although I'm not sure how far they are in the way towards contracts between google and the students |
| 14:30:52 | intgr | I currently have a stupid old Phillips piece of crap, that I just found out doesn't support SD cards over 512 MB, after buying a 2GB card. :( |
| 14:31:13 | intgr | Philips* |
| 14:31:25 | DooMMasteR | lol |
| 14:31:33 | intgr | Too bad I can't use the SD card with Rockbox either. |
| 14:31:43 | intgr | But good thing they're so cheap these days. |
| 14:31:46 | DooMMasteR | my camcorder does support some 2GB cards...but not all |
| 14:31:58 | DooMMasteR | 2GB 12€ |
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| 14:32:07 | DooMMasteR | about $16 |
| 14:32:11 | B4gder | SD is not micro SD |
| 14:32:42 | intgr | And 2GB is a log compared to 512MB. :) |
| 14:32:46 | intgr | lot |
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| 14:39:16 | DooMMasteR | just got the news...that 32GB SSD cards are now available |
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| 14:39:48 | DooMMasteR | the first...but they are in 2,5" format :( |
| 14:39:59 | intgr | And they're probably slow as hell too. |
| 14:40:07 | DooMMasteR | nope |
| 14:40:28 | DooMMasteR | red 42MB per second |
| 14:40:36 | DooMMasteR | write 33MB |
| 14:40:37 | intgr | Whoa. |
| 14:40:53 | intgr | Are you sure that's megabytes, not megabits? |
| 14:41:02 | DooMMasteR | its megabytes |
| 14:41:19 | intgr | That's faster than 5400RPM hard drives. |
| 14:41:27 | DooMMasteR | yepp |
| 14:41:36 | intgr | Not to mention that there's no seeking. |
| 14:41:58 | DooMMasteR | and in 1,8" they would be nice |
| 14:42:01 | DooMMasteR | http://www.greenpeace.org/international/campaigns/toxics/electronics/how-the-companies-line-up |
| 14:42:20 | DooMMasteR | apple is still on the last place :'( |
| 14:43:07 | DooMMasteR | Apple - Holding firmly in last place: low scores on almost all criteria and no progress. |
| 14:48:59 | DooMMasteR | DirectX 10 will be available for Windows Xp |
| 14:49:20 | DooMMasteR | ot |
| 14:52:17 | DooMMasteR | http://www.boingboing.net/2007/04/24/universal_and_amazon.html |
| 14:52:26 | DooMMasteR | DRM.....freed |
| 14:53:56 | intgr | Haha, they gave in?! |
| 14:54:04 | DooMMasteR | jap |
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| 14:59:28 | intgr | Btw, does anyone have experience with hacking Rockbox? The firmware updater for my MP3 player comes with a bunch of hex files and two bin files; what's the most obvious way to find out which CPU arch it is? Just try disassembling with various toolchains until the output looks intelligible? |
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| 15:00:02 | DooMMasteR | ope it up |
| 15:00:17 | DooMMasteR | i concidered to do it with my iaudio6 |
| 15:00:23 | intgr | I've tried, it's locked tight, I was on the verge of breaking it before I gave up. :) |
| 15:00:24 | B4gder | intgr: see the NewPort wiki page |
| 15:00:38 | intgr | Thanks again B4gder. |
| 15:00:45 | B4gder | or try disassemble the files |
| 15:00:54 | B4gder | there's a very high probability the arch is ARM |
| 15:01:05 | intgr | Nope, it disassembles to junk. |
| 15:01:16 | B4gder | yeah, they may be scrambled/encrypted |
| 15:01:23 | intgr | Hmm. |
| 15:01:33 | intgr | I thought the 68k was a popular one? |
| 15:01:46 | fejfighter | hex has been used for the h300 and the 68k though |
| 15:01:46 | B4gder | iriver and iaudio, sure |
| 15:01:59 | B4gder | intgr: but they're nothing compared to arm |
| 15:02:11 | intgr | Right. |
| 15:02:15 | B4gder | the h10 also has a hex format for their bootloader |
| 15:02:47 | DooMMasteR | but it is encrypted |
| 15:02:50 | DooMMasteR | most of it |
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| 15:03:02 | fejfighter | oh ok fair enough |
| 15:03:16 | B4gder | DooMMasteR: what is? |
| 15:03:54 | DooMMasteR | ?? |
| 15:04:00 | B4gder | "<DooMMasteR> but it is encrypted" |
| 15:04:06 | DooMMasteR | my H10 is broken... |
| 15:04:13 | DooMMasteR | ^^the H10s firmware |
| 15:04:32 | B4gder | yes, but I said bootloader hence my curiousity |
| 15:04:52 | DooMMasteR | where is the newport wiki page??? |
| 15:05:03 | B4gder | enter NewPort in the go field |
| 15:05:10 | DooMMasteR | ^^the H10s bootloader is also partly encrypted |
| 15:05:24 | B4gder | DooMMasteR: partly? |
| 15:05:42 | DooMMasteR | yep...some initilisations are open |
| 15:05:46 | DooMMasteR | the rest is encrypted |
| 15:06:11 | DooMMasteR | tha's why you have to replace the bootloader and DualBoot is not possible |
| 15:06:30 | B4gder | no, that's not correct |
| 15:06:40 | B4gder | I find it funny you tell me all this ;-) |
| 15:06:55 | B4gder | 1. the h10 bootloader is what I refer to as scrambled |
| 15:07:25 | B4gder | 2. dual-boot is indeed possible on the h10, we should just be able to load the mi4, decrypt it and run it |
| 15:07:39 | B4gder | there's just something in there that isn't working yet afaik |
| 15:07:44 | DooMMasteR | but noone has done it yet :( |
| 15:07:53 | DooMMasteR | ^^or that way |
| 15:07:57 | B4gder | well, there's not many devs with h10s |
| 15:08:16 | DooMMasteR | mine is broken |
| 15:08:45 | DooMMasteR | the HDD headcrashed...and it is not compatible with the normal CF protocoll |
| 15:09:17 | intgr | Has anyone shown any interest in the past of porting to a Philips player? |
| 15:09:44 | DooMMasteR | to which one? |
| 15:09:46 | B4gder | intgr: check the "New Ports" area in the forums |
| 15:09:55 | B4gder | all sorts of odd players have been mentioned |
| 15:09:58 | intgr | I own a SA230/00C |
| 15:10:07 | B4gder | but mostly people want a port, without doing anything themselves |
| 15:10:14 | intgr | Right. |
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| 15:13:26 | DooMMasteR | a port to the Cowon D2 would be nice....but it's a toutchscreen player....so one would need to alter the UI |
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| 15:15:26 | bepe | Damn, managed to wreck my ipod today, it fell down the stairs :S hehe |
| 15:15:38 | bepe | Can anyone recommend me another player that will run rockbox? |
| 15:15:44 | DooMMasteR | the disadvantage of HDDs |
| 15:15:49 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 15:15:52 | bepe | I've looked at the Gigabeat, but I can't find them anywhere |
| 15:15:52 | * | B4gder reads about Boa the web server and enjoys the screen shot: http://www.boa.org/boa_startup.png |
| 15:15:55 | DooMMasteR | ^^replace the HDD |
| 15:16:07 | bepe | The screen got wrecked as well |
| 15:16:21 | DooMMasteR | urgs |
| 15:16:27 | DooMMasteR | how old? |
| 15:16:30 | GodEater | B4gder: nice eye candy :) |
| 15:16:46 | B4gder | hehe, almost rockboxish! ;-P |
| 15:17:03 | DooMMasteR | if it is under 90days old |
| 15:17:08 | DooMMasteR | try the apple care service |
| 15:17:17 | DooMMasteR | sometimes they even replace dropped items |
| 15:17:30 | GodEater | B4gder: so when are you going to port it to rockbox then ? |
| 15:17:48 | bepe | DooMMasteR, yeah, I'll try that first :) thanks |
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| 15:17:53 | B4gder | GodEater: as soon as my tcp/ip stack is done! |
| 15:18:17 | B4gder | IP-over-mic/earphones |
| 15:18:19 | intgr | Just use one of the hundreds available stacks. |
| 15:18:20 | intgr | :) |
| 15:18:21 | bepe | tcp/ip-stack=? anything important I've missed? :) |
| 15:18:27 | DooMMasteR | which device should use the TCP stack??? |
| 15:18:29 | DooMMasteR | ^^^lol |
| 15:18:47 | bepe | nice |
| 15:18:58 | kclaf | ipod |
| 15:19:00 | B4gder | I'm only blabbing |
| 15:19:03 | kclaf | TCP over AiR |
| 15:21:01 | B4gder | GodEater: I just happened to find it in my uclinux dir and had to figure out what it is... .-) |
| 15:21:17 | B4gder | uclinux is a strange beast |
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| 15:22:18 | bepe | well, gotta go, thanks for your advice, DooMMasteR :) |
| 15:22:26 | DooMMasteR | np |
| 15:26:09 | Guile | thanks too |
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| 15:29:29 | intgr | Would you expect the firmware uploader to descramble the firmware, or is it likely to be done on the device's end? |
| 15:29:53 | intgr | What do other players do? |
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| 15:31:38 | B4gder | it's mostly done on the device itself |
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| 15:35:46 | intgr | Too bad. |
| 15:37:12 | B4gder | how do you update the firmware, is a tool or do you just copy stuff to the player? |
| 15:37:28 | intgr | It's a tool, you need to boot the player into a special mode. |
| 15:37:33 | DooMMasteR | for whitch player??? |
| 15:37:37 | intgr | So that's pretty likely. |
| 15:37:42 | intgr | Philips SA230/00C |
| 15:37:45 | B4gder | intgr: and that mode isn't mass storage? |
| 15:37:52 | intgr | B4gder: Nope. |
| 15:38:05 | intgr | IIRC, I last flashed it two years ago I think. |
| 15:38:37 | B4gder | well, I think there are windows tools that can "snoop" on usb traffic |
| 15:38:58 | B4gder | as I assume the tool is running on windows |
| 15:39:03 | intgr | Yeah, or VMware. |
| 15:39:44 | B4gder | vmware running windows you mean |
| 15:40:02 | intgr | Yep. |
| 15:41:03 | B4gder | you should also try to see if there are other sa230 owners interested in helping out |
| 15:41:23 | B4gder | since a new port is a rough ride, very hard to do on your own if you never did it before |
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| 15:41:34 | intgr | No results, although there's a wiki page on SAA7750 |
| 15:42:07 | intgr | I know. :) |
| 15:43:36 | intgr | Writing code for embdedded CPUs is hard enough with the specs. ;) |
| 15:44:33 | B4gder | driver-level code is about the same, embedded or not |
| 15:44:46 | B4gder | imho |
| 15:46:13 | intgr | Possibly; never written a driver for a PC. |
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| 15:53:50 | * | amiconn actually prefers writing low level stuff over ui stuff |
| 15:54:10 | preglow | oh god, yes |
| 15:54:18 | DooMMasteR | ??? |
| 15:54:20 | intgr | UIs do suck. :) |
| 15:54:25 | preglow | ui coding has a nasty tendency to bore me |
| 15:54:26 | DooMMasteR | lol |
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| 16:59:55 | spahija | hi all...installed rockbox from linux a few moments ago but nothing happends |
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| 17:00:05 | spahija | I only get Apple logo nothing else |
| 17:00:27 | Domonoky | is the bootloader installed ? |
| 17:00:27 | DooMMasteR | screwed...loader problem...hmm had that tooo |
| 17:00:38 | DooMMasteR | which loder did you use? |
| 17:00:40 | DooMMasteR | loader1 oder 2 |
| 17:00:51 | spahija | well I followed instructions for linux and there was no talk about booloader |
| 17:01:16 | Domonoky | spahija see the manual, there is a section about installing the bootloader |
| 17:01:25 | DooMMasteR | jepp |
| 17:01:28 | spahija | Domonoky, for linux too ? |
| 17:02:07 | spahija | ahh yes... |
| 17:02:16 | spahija | ipodpathcher |
| 17:02:42 | DooMMasteR | that is ist |
| 17:02:45 | spahija | well I did that m8 |
| 17:02:51 | Domonoky | yes, everthing is in the manual :-) |
| 17:02:54 | spahija | still the same ' |
| 17:03:03 | DooMMasteR | hmmm |
| 17:03:07 | DooMMasteR | try the loader2 |
| 17:03:15 | spahija | where ? |
| 17:03:21 | spahija | I have a 3 gen ipod |
| 17:03:32 | amiconn | The official way is to use the rockbox bootloader |
| 17:03:35 | DooMMasteR | http://www.ipodlinux.org/images/b/b3/Ipodloader2-2.5.tar.gz |
| 17:03:42 | B4gder | does the loader2 work now? |
| 17:03:47 | DooMMasteR | jep |
| 17:04:00 | DooMMasteR | if rockbox is placed in a .rockbox folder |
| 17:04:03 | Llorean | B4gder: Certain beta version does. |
| 17:04:06 | Llorean | do |
| 17:04:13 | DooMMasteR | this does |
| 17:04:20 | spahija | DooMMasteR, thats the lates and greatest ? |
| 17:04:21 | DooMMasteR | just used it yesterday |
| 17:04:25 | DooMMasteR | also on a 3g |
| 17:04:38 | DooMMasteR | but the 3g is damn slow on rockbox |
| 17:04:41 | DooMMasteR | cYa |
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| 17:05:52 | spahija | how to use this file ? |
| 17:06:01 | spahija | cant execute it |
| 17:06:02 | spiorf | wasn't loader2 giving problems with COP? |
| 17:06:07 | spahija | ./ or sh |
| 17:06:15 | spahija | none of them work |
| 17:06:34 | B4gder | that's why we recommend the rockbox bootloader |
| 17:06:55 | spahija | B4gder, can you paste link please |
| 17:06:59 | Llorean | spiorf: The very newest (b5? I believe) is supposed to work with it |
| 17:07:07 | B4gder | spahija: it is in the rockbox manual |
| 17:07:19 | spahija | B4gder, you mean ipoadpatcher ? |
| 17:07:23 | B4gder | yes |
| 17:07:23 | Llorean | spiorf: But it's not supported by use, and never will be. |
| 17:07:32 | spahija | B4gder, I tried that first..no go |
| 17:07:47 | B4gder | spahija: then you need to fix the problems and try again |
| 17:08:06 | B4gder | or is there a problem with that on the 3g? |
| 17:08:10 | Llorean | spahija: What exactly did you do? |
| 17:08:16 | | Part B4gder |
| 17:08:23 | Llorean | spahija: Other than running ipodpatcher, what other steps did you take? |
| 17:08:30 | spahija | Llorean, followed installation for linux |
| 17:09:00 | spahija | Llorean, other then running ipoadpatcher ..nothing .. |
| 17:09:05 | Llorean | Then you didn't do everything |
| 17:09:10 | spahija | ? |
| 17:09:13 | Llorean | You never installed Rockbox, just the bootloader |
| 17:09:19 | Llorean | You skipped the entire "Installing the Firmware" bit |
| 17:09:38 | Llorean | Section 2.2.2 of the manual |
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| 17:09:47 | Llorean | If memory serves correctly for the numbering. |
| 17:10:10 | spahija | Llorean, http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipod3g/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 |
| 17:10:20 | spahija | this was the manual in question |
| 17:10:25 | Llorean | spahija: Yes |
| 17:10:47 | spahija | Llorean, if you look at it I followed insctructions to the letters |
| 17:10:51 | Llorean | No, you did not |
| 17:10:58 | spahija | I see no install firmware for linux |
| 17:11:02 | * | Llorean sighs |
| 17:11:07 | Llorean | The install firmware is section 2.2.2 |
| 17:11:13 | Llorean | It doesn't HAVE different versions for different operating systems |
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| 17:11:37 | spahija | blime |
| 17:11:40 | spahija | :( |
| 17:11:48 | Llorean | If you'd read the whole thing through, you'd have been fine. |
| 17:12:17 | spahija | Llorean, thousand apologies ..my bad |
| 17:12:22 | Llorean | As it is, all you need to do is reboot your iPod into the apple firmware (hold Menu+Select, as soon as the screen clears, turn on the hold switch, and wait) |
| 17:12:26 | Llorean | Then do section 2.2.2 |
| 17:12:45 | spahija | Llorean, trying |
| 17:15:53 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 17:17:03 | spahija | Llorean, do I also need fonts ? |
| 17:18:54 | spahija | Llorean, it works now..thanks man.. |
| 17:24:00 | spahija | are there any improvements regarding battery time ? |
| 17:24:35 | spahija | I mean does it last longer with rockbox then with apple firmware |
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| 17:26:32 | [g2] | anybody looked at hacking the 2nd Shuffle ? |
| 17:27:14 | Llorean | spahija: The iPods actually get significantly worse battery time in Rockbox than the original firmware. |
| 17:27:23 | Llorean | spahija: There's just something in the hardware we haven't figured out yet. |
| 17:27:43 | Llorean | [g2]: Again, anything should be in the "New Ports" forum, in general. |
| 17:28:28 | spahija | Llorean, I see...any pointer for a rockbox n00b? |
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| 17:29:45 | * | Domonoky should really start working again on rbutil, so problems like spahija´s will vanish... |
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| 17:29:52 | Llorean | spahija: Don't expect too much. You've got a 3rd gen iPod, which has some strange hardware quirks of its own, so Rockbox isn't performing its best on it yet, so please don't judge our software from it. :) |
| 17:32:02 | markun | [g2]: some info on the shuffle 2's CPU if you are interested: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SamsungSA58 |
| 17:32:27 | spahija | Llorean, well I noticed thats slow compared to apple but I am gonna give it a shot |
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| 17:35:08 | spahija | Llorean, what should n00b look first IYHO |
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| 17:37:06 | Llorean | spahija: Depends. When I originally installed Rockbox, I did so because I wanted a specific feature, so the first thing I did was try that out. |
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| 17:37:40 | spahija | Llorean, for me it was support for ogg |
| 17:37:53 | spahija | was looking for info about it .. |
| 17:38:45 | GodEater | what info do you need? Pick an ogg, play it... |
| 17:39:02 | spahija | GodEater, I was wondering where to store files |
| 17:39:10 | GodEater | anywhere you like |
| 17:39:18 | spahija | oh I see |
| 17:39:27 | GodEater | Most users adopt the \Artists\Albums folder approach |
| 17:39:31 | GodEater | but you can use any system you like |
| 17:39:34 | spahija | but to keep it compatible with apple firmware ?? |
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| 17:40:33 | spahija | does amarok supports rockbox ? |
| 17:40:44 | markun | spahija: the apple firmware will not be able to play your ogg files anyway |
| 17:41:31 | spahija | markun, yes but I was thinking more of storage place for file to be comaptible for both |
| 17:42:05 | GodEater | spahija: but there is NO way for an ogg file to be compatible - no matter where it's stored |
| 17:42:32 | spahija | some files that I have are ogg others mp3 |
| 17:43:03 | GodEater | well the apple firmware will only ever play the mp3 files, and then only if they're loaded on in the iTunes manner |
| 17:43:14 | GodEater | either using iTunes itself, or something like gtkpod etc. |
| 17:43:41 | spahija | GodEater, reading my mind :D ...gtkpod running as we speak |
| 17:44:15 | GodEater | well that will store all your music under ipod_control somewhere in some obfuscated folder / file name combo |
| 17:44:39 | GodEater | and you can choose to store your ogg files there if you really want (but I'd consider you mental if you did) |
| 17:44:41 | spahija | GodEater, but I get this right I can move files where ever I want and rockbox will play it |
| 17:44:45 | markun | anyone familiar with wikipedia editing? |
| 17:45:02 | GodEater | markun: no, it's like, the most complicated wiki system in the universe in my opinion |
| 17:45:20 | GodEater | you finally lost your rag over the gigabeat page huh ? :) |
| 17:45:20 | markun | the question is not about the formatting |
| 17:45:57 | markun | GodEater: I removed the section which had the claim that the Gigabeat X uses OLED and someone changed another section to include that claim again |
| 17:46:15 | markun | I wonder who first made that up |
| 17:46:23 | GodEater | put it in the "discussion" page |
| 17:46:26 | markun | I have |
| 17:46:37 | GodEater | hmm |
| 17:47:03 | markun | I guess the first time someone wrote it it was just a mistake (might have been confused with the Gigabeat P) but after that it's on wikipedia... so it must be true |
| 17:47:11 | [g2] | Llorean, markun THX |
| 17:47:14 | GodEater | How about changing the section they just put in to say explicitly something like "despite some claims to the contrary, the X does not have an OLED display) |
| 17:47:53 | [g2] | markun, are you hacking the 2nd gen shuffles ? |
| 17:48:01 | markun | [g2]: no |
| 17:48:18 | markun | but I have done some Gigabeat hacking |
| 17:48:28 | GodEater | [g2]: I don't believe it's possible currently - I don't believe an open source compiler exists for the shuffle's architecture (either gen). |
| 17:48:44 | [g2] | GodEater, it's an ARM right ? |
| 17:48:48 | GodEater | [g2]: No |
| 17:48:55 | GodEater | not to my knowledge anyway |
| 17:48:56 | markun | GodEater: the 2nd gen is ARM based... |
| 17:49:03 | GodEater | really ? |
| 17:49:04 | markun | right? |
| 17:49:09 | GodEater | I stand corrected then |
| 17:49:10 | markun | I thought so |
| 17:49:41 | markun | [g2]: do you have one? |
| 17:49:55 | [g2] | markun, does the Gigabeat have a Samsung ? |
| 17:49:58 | markun | yes |
| 17:50:01 | GodEater | ipl don't even know what arch it is |
| 17:50:22 | [g2] | markun, I've got a SansaE260 but haven't loaded Rockbox on it |
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| 17:50:41 | [g2] | I've got an embedded Linux company that has an XScale based server product |
| 17:50:46 | GodEater | markun: where'd you read that it was ARM based ? |
| 17:50:58 | markun | GodEater: let me google |
| 17:51:06 | [g2] | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SamsungSA58 |
| 17:51:14 | [g2] | ARM 940T based |
| 17:51:37 | [g2] | http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/06/11/02/exposing_the_guts_of_apples_second_gen_ipod_shuffle.html |
| 17:51:53 | [g2] | GodEater, that's got pics of the Samsung chip |
| 17:52:46 | GodEater | wow |
| 17:53:04 | GodEater | might even be an easy port in that case - since there's no LCD driver to write ;) |
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| 17:53:28 | GodEater | you'd have to get voice working right though |
| 17:53:34 | markun | yes :) |
| 17:53:57 | markun | maybe the TTS work for GSoC will help |
| 17:54:01 | [g2] | voice playback ? |
| 17:54:12 | GodEater | voice interface, for the menus |
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| 17:54:26 | GodEater | so you can tell what item you have selected when you can't see the screen |
| 17:54:39 | [g2] | markun, TTS work for GSoc ? |
| 17:56:20 | [g2] | ah.... Google Summer of Code |
| 17:56:44 | GodEater | not sure what TTS stands for mind you... |
| 17:56:55 | GodEater | it's not on our GSoC page |
| 17:57:03 | GodEater | ah |
| 17:57:07 | GodEater | Text To Speech |
| 17:57:08 | GodEater | silly me |
| 17:57:23 | * | GodEater goes to the back of the class |
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| 18:00:06 | GodEater | markun: why not see if you can contact user Jw21 and find out why he keeps putting the Oled stuff back ? |
| 18:00:47 | markun | GodEater: that's what I was going to do |
| 18:01:21 | GodEater | tell him you're a psychopath and you'll hunt him and his family down if he does it again :) |
| 18:01:26 | markun | can I just post on his page? |
| 18:01:41 | markun | that'll teach him! |
| 18:02:24 | GodEater | I think you're supposed to post on his dicussion page |
| 18:02:33 | GodEater | but I'm not really sure of wikipedia ettiquette |
| 18:12:56 | markun | GodEater: in his discussion page there is a big section called "Regarding Your Claims..." :) |
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| 18:30:02 | pixelma | Nico_P: am I allowed to use a backdrop in the rwps of the X5's greyscale remote - trying to figure out if it's a mistake by me that makes the sim crash or if it's the wps system |
| 18:30:31 | pixelma | (with the %X-tag that is - with a greyscale bmp) |
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| 18:31:27 | Llorean | pixelma: Grayscale screens should not allow backdrops. |
| 18:31:36 | pixelma | Llorean: ??? |
| 18:31:39 | Llorean | At least, they didn't before Nico_P's changes. |
| 18:31:54 | Llorean | The %X tag would, if I recall, just show up in the WPS as if it were text. |
| 18:32:11 | pixelma | they allow greyscale backdrops since a while - in the browser as well as in the WPS (I use that on my M5) |
| 18:32:17 | Llorean | Hm |
| 18:32:22 | Llorean | Apparently I'm out of date. :) |
| 18:32:34 | Llorean | I missed that. |
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| 18:39:18 | f-man | hi , is there any chance to get rockbox running on ipod nano 2nd generation ? |
| 18:39:46 | spiorf | f-man, no :( |
| 18:40:29 | f-man | damn , should have known that before i got mine :D |
| 18:40:41 | f-man | no future developments ? |
| 18:40:43 | amiconn | just 'no' is wrong |
| 18:41:02 | amiconn | Everything is possible if someone starts hacking it seriously |
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| 18:42:15 | f-man | what's holding this project now ? |
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| 18:42:38 | f-man | there's no coder with nano 2nd gen ? |
| 18:42:49 | amiconn | Well, someone with a Nano G2 and a clue needs to start hacking |
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| 18:43:10 | amiconn | Serious problems with Nano G2 are: *completely different hardware, just the name is similar to the previous Nano. *The firmware is encrypted in a not yet known way. *The chips are glued to the board, so tracing is nearly impossible |
| 18:44:02 | pixelma | Nico_P: update: when I use the %x-tag for displaying it as a static bitmap it only works if that is also a mono bmp - a greyscale one makes the sim crash too :( |
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| 18:44:43 | f-man | sounds like a problem to me |
| 18:47:33 | f-man | had ppl done that b4 when the tracing was impossible? |
| 18:49:25 | Nico_P | pixelma: I just got back... what's the problem exactly ? loading a greyscale backdrop crashes the sim ? |
| 18:49:55 | pixelma | yes - in a rwps for the greyscale X5/M5 remote |
| 18:50:54 | Nico_P | pixelma: are backdrops supposed to be possible on greyscale displays ? |
| 18:51:04 | pixelma | yes |
| 18:51:40 | amiconn | And on main lcd it works afaik |
| 18:51:51 | pixelma | as stated above I tried it out on my M5 (menu) and I use it in my wps there |
| 18:52:14 | pixelma | (main screen) |
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| 18:56:18 | pixelma | at the moment you couldn't set a remote backdrop (for the menus) though - no menu entries to do so anywher |
| 18:56:24 | pixelma | e |
| 18:59:05 | amiconn | Hmm, the 2 bit remote lcd driver has backdrop handling implemented... so it's just not offered in the UI |
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| 19:01:22 | Nico_P | pixelma: could you send me the RWPS you are using ? |
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| 19:15:14 | joshin | Hmmm, looks like andrew867 was working on the FM tuner for the Sansa. Will see if I can find out what happened... |
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| 19:43:10 | Reno | Hi!! : ) |
| 19:43:24 | Reno | can any body help me with somethin'? |
| 19:43:52 | Nico_P | Reno: just ask |
| 19:43:58 | Reno | hey |
| 19:44:03 | Reno | u were on yesterday |
| 19:44:05 | Reno | right? |
| 19:44:18 | Reno | remember me? |
| 19:44:51 | Reno | i still need help with changing the bockrop or theme on my ipod. |
| 19:45:02 | Reno | can u please help? |
| 19:45:35 | Reno | if u'r not busy... |
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| 19:46:26 | Reno | i think the person who just logged in was here yesterday too |
| 19:46:36 | Reno | : ) |
| 19:46:41 | Reno | so can uhelp? |
| 19:46:52 | Nico_P | Reno: what is causing you trouble ? |
| 19:47:10 | Reno | i dont reall know how to change the theme |
| 19:47:28 | Reno | i donlaoed the one called twilight |
| 19:47:42 | Reno | but its a lot of folderss not just 1 |
| 19:47:59 | Reno | which am i supposed to use? |
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| 19:48:53 | Reno | hey u guy's aren't busy are u ......i mean i can just comw back later... |
| 19:49:17 | mki | what are the folders called? |
| 19:49:22 | Nico_P | Reno: where did you download the theme ? |
| 19:49:25 | Reno | let me check |
| 19:49:59 | Reno | oh i downloaded theme frome a link u guy's gave me yesterday |
| 19:50:33 | spiorf | Reno, if are folders like backdrops, wps, fonts,themes, just unpack them in the .rockbox folder |
| 19:50:45 | Reno | i did |
| 19:51:07 | Reno | are those folders suppesed to be in the folder called backdrops? |
| 19:51:22 | Reno | or are suppesed to be in tyhe folder called themes? |
| 19:51:30 | spiorf | no, there is .rockbox |
| 19:51:42 | spiorf | in that one there are all the others |
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| 19:51:51 | spiorf | all backdrops in one folder |
| 19:52:00 | spiorf | all fonts in another |
| 19:52:06 | spiorf | and so on |
| 19:52:22 | Reno | i know but are the themes i downloaded supposed to be in the folder called backrops |
| 19:52:25 | Nico_P | Reno: you just unzip to the root directroy of your player |
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| 19:52:30 | Reno | oh |
| 19:52:32 | Reno | ok |
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| 19:52:39 | Reno | let me try that thanks |
| 19:58:28 | Reno | ok thanks i'm dont now let me see how it looks or if it worked |
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| 20:00:08 | Reno | Holy Shit That"+ |
| 20:00:15 | Reno | noy me |
| 20:00:18 | Reno | not me |
| 20:00:32 | Reno | sorry my friend typed that |
| 20:00:43 | Reno | he a lame |
| 20:00:46 | Reno | ... |
| 20:01:19 | Reno | hey do u guys no what i can use to make my pc read gameboy games? |
| 20:01:31 | Reno | if u do can u please tell me? |
| 20:02:05 | GodEater_ | Reno: could you try to use proper english please - we occasionally get blind users in here who have to use screen readers, and all your "net speak" is confusing for them |
| 20:02:57 | Reno | ok sorry |
| 20:03:14 | Reno | brb |
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| 20:03:55 | * | ender` yawns |
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| 20:05:04 | Reno | sorry i closed out the wrong window. |
| 20:05:22 | Reno | are you guy's still here? |
| 20:06:51 | Reno | should i just go right ahead and ask my question? |
| 20:09:18 | Reno | ok? i guess nobody's on. |
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| 20:10:30 | * | idnar cringes |
| 20:11:47 | GodEater_ | he makes a good case for turning themes into tarballs mind you |
| 20:12:03 | pixelma | next time he's on someone should point him to the first link in the topic... |
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| 20:15:02 | mki | Reno, read the topic, and if you have questions, ask |
| 20:15:33 | Reno | hi i'm about to go but before i got another question. If i'm looking for games to downlaod for rockbox what would i have to look for? |
| 20:16:18 | Reno | like what kind of games are there for rockbox? examples please? |
| 20:17:05 | Reno | i'm goona be here for like 10 min. so i want to know where or what kinds of games i can get? |
| 20:17:45 | Domonoky | Reno: read the manual ! |
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| 20:18:24 | Reno | yeah i did i even printed all 145 pages of it |
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| 20:19:19 | Reno | sorry about that? |
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| 20:19:29 | Reno | i read the manual. |
| 20:19:41 | Reno | i even printed out all 146 pages out. |
| 20:19:51 | Domonoky | so you know which games are there.. why do you ask ? |
| 20:20:01 | GodEater_ | so you know that all the games that exist for Rockbox come with it. |
| 20:20:09 | pixelma | there is a whole chapter about plugins - one part being "games"... |
| 20:20:28 | Reno | i know but they told me yesterday that there where more games |
| 20:20:46 | Reno | and that it could have "gameboy" games |
| 20:21:05 | Reno | but i just dont get that. |
| 20:21:44 | Reno | they told me to look on google for games for rockbox but i can't find any and i really dont know what to look for. |
| 20:22:00 | GodEater_ | I suspect "they" told you to look for games for gameboy actually |
| 20:22:03 | Alonea | Reno: you take a rom file for gameboy games and all the other games automatically come with rockbox |
| 20:22:21 | Alonea | Reno: only thing you have to get is gameboy roms and the doom files. |
| 20:23:09 | Reno | ok what is a gameboy "ROM" thats the part i dont get? |
| 20:23:47 | mki | file images of the gameboy games |
| 20:23:50 | GodEater_ | it's a file, it contains data from a gameboy cartridge |
| 20:24:27 | Reno | ok? does that mean i have to copy that "from" the gamboy catrige? |
| 20:24:45 | GodEater_ | unless google invents a way for you to download physical objects, then no |
| 20:24:48 | Alonea | Reno: file types are .gb and .gbc (gameboy and gameboy color) you can get it from cartidge or get them illegally, though there are some legal roms out there. |
| 20:26:34 | Reno | i know u guys told me that yesterday but how i s my pc supposed to read the cartidge or where can i downloaod them? |
| 20:26:44 | GodEater_ | you don't download a cartridge |
| 20:26:45 | Reno | and how is that illegal? |
| 20:26:47 | GodEater_ | you download a file |
| 20:26:49 | GodEater_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROM_image |
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| 20:27:10 | GodEater_ | someone has already DONE the copying from the cartridge, and they save it as a ROM image |
| 20:27:21 | Reno | what is legal and what is illegal where camn i get legal or illegal games? |
| 20:27:22 | GodEater_ | as Alonea says, it's usually a .gb or .gbc ile |
| 20:27:26 | Reno | oh |
| 20:27:29 | Reno | ok |
| 20:27:37 | GodEater_ | we do NOT tell people where to get them from |
| 20:27:41 | GodEater_ | use google |
| 20:27:49 | Reno | so then i look for the roms and download them? |
| 20:28:24 | GodEater_ | I could have sworn that's what we've said like 5 times now |
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| 20:29:08 | Reno | just 1 more thing so i can leave... say that u are goin to dowload a game in google what would you search for? |
| 20:29:15 | Reno | what would you type/ |
| 20:29:17 | Reno | ? |
| 20:29:22 | Reno | if it was you? |
| 20:30:06 | Alonea | you are looking for gameboy roms |
| 20:30:15 | Reno | ok : ) |
| 20:30:30 | Reno | thats all i wanted to know thank you!! : ) |
| 20:31:19 | Reno | bye thanks for the info!! : ) |
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| 20:31:36 | * | GodEater_ votes once more for doom / rockboy removal |
| 20:32:56 | linuxstb | Why? ;) |
| 20:33:06 | Domonoky | it would be even better to only remove it in the binary build :-) (so devs can play ) |
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| 20:40:21 | amiconn | linuxstb: Is your question from this morning still unanswered? |
| 20:41:09 | linuxstb | I didn't spot an answer. |
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| 20:41:28 | Lear | Strange... Sim fails loading the AAC codec for the first track, but it works for the second... |
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| 20:42:36 | amiconn | linuxstb: ide_power_enable() is for switching the hdd power pin on targets which support it, while ata_enable() is for switching the ata buffers on targets with a separate usb<->ata bridge |
| 20:43:03 | linuxstb | Ah, so ata_enable() is irrelevant for PP targets? |
| 20:43:15 | amiconn | When enabling usb, the firmware needs to hand over hdd control to the usb bridge, meaning that the cpu needs to disconnect from the ata bus |
| 20:43:26 | amiconn | yes |
| 20:43:53 | spahija | Is it just me or Rockbox is not stable on Ipod 3Gen |
| 20:44:53 | linuxstb | spahija: I've never seen Rockbox on the 3rd gen, but it's not a very well developed target, so it wouldn't surprise me if there are issues. |
| 20:44:54 | spahija | it just locks up when I try to go from one "menu" to anothe |
| 20:44:59 | mki | default builds arent stable on my mini 1g either |
| 20:45:22 | mki | the... frequency scaling disabled builds work, but eat battery quite nicely :P |
| 20:45:27 | spahija | linuxstb, so its "alpha" version ? |
| 20:46:24 | linuxstb | amiconn: I assumed from ata.c that ide_power_enable() was the right function to implement - I added code to toggle the "IDE0" bit in DEV_EN, and it doesn't break anything, but I'll have to do some runtime tests to see if it's actually helping. |
| 20:47:03 | linuxstb | spahija: Well, ipods are probably the least stable of all Rockbox targets, and the 3rd gen is the least stable ipod... |
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| 20:47:43 | linuxstb | spahija: Mainly due to lack of developers, and lack of users providing feedback. |
| 20:47:57 | spahija | linuxstb, sorry to hear that, I like rockbox very much |
| 20:48:08 | amiconn | linuxstb: Measuring voltage at the hdd power pin should tell you whether it works... |
| 20:48:11 | Rob24 | I put some roms on my ipod and i was woundering if there was any way to actuky save your progress on a game |
| 20:48:14 | spahija | linuxstb, anything I can do to help ? |
| 20:48:21 | Rob24 | *actualy |
| 20:48:31 | linuxstb | amiconn: I have no equipment for that. |
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| 20:49:55 | spahija | linuxstb, is it possible to get a debug trace on it ? |
| 20:50:11 | spahija | to figure out why its locking up ? |
| 20:50:29 | amiconn | Rob24: rockboy auto-saves of exit afaik |
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| 20:51:04 | Rob24 | well how to I actuly exit a rom tyo get back to the main screen without restarting my ipod |
| 20:51:08 | pixelma | Rob24: what player do you have/ did you find a hint to the gameboy menu in the manual for your player? |
| 20:51:16 | Rob24 | I have ipod video 5g |
| 20:51:50 | pixelma | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1710008.3.3 |
| 20:52:02 | Rob24 | like i go to files then gayboy or gameboyroms or soemthing then it shows the list of my games |
| 20:52:10 | linuxstb | spahija: Not really. Are you familiar with C ? |
| 20:52:18 | pixelma | rockboy menu it's called... |
| 20:52:31 | spahija | linuxstb, I am sorry to say I am not ...but could do some testing |
| 20:53:14 | PaulJam | Hi, could someone test if the archive of the bleeding edge for h300 is broken? |
| 20:53:49 | linuxstb | spahija: dan_a has done all the 3rd gen development so far, and is the only dev who owns a 3rd gen. But I'm not sure if he's still working on it... |
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| 20:54:40 | spahija | linuxstb, so you are trying to say that 3g is not even a priority at all :D |
| 20:54:57 | linuxstb | spahija: People generally only work on devices they own... |
| 20:55:17 | spahija | linuxstb, true.. |
| 20:55:32 | pixelma | PaulJam: I also get "not a valid zip file" |
| 20:55:43 | spahija | linuxstb, when dan_a is usually here ? |
| 20:56:06 | spahija | since he is so silent at the moment |
| 20:56:23 | spahija | dan_a, are you there m8 ? |
| 20:56:33 | PaulJam | pixelma: thanks for testing. |
| 20:57:01 | linuxstb | spahija: He's normally around quite often, but has been unusually quiet for the last few weeks. |
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| 20:57:19 | spahija | he must ne sick like me :( |
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| 20:58:26 | PaulJam | ah, the dayly build for h300 is ok |
| 20:58:39 | spahija | linuxstb, testing his latest build... hope this one is more stable |
| 20:59:12 | Rob24 | how do you exit a rom without restarting your ipod? |
| 20:59:55 | pixelma | Rob24: there's also a "quit" option in the rockboy menu... |
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| 21:00:19 | Rob24 | where do i locate the option? |
| 21:00:43 | spahija | wow much more stable |
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| 21:01:26 | spahija | spoke to soon :( |
| 21:01:31 | Rob24 | like how do i get to the menu whial playing the rom |
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| 21:01:40 | pixelma | Rob24: please read the manual - I already gave you the link to the correct section of the manual above |
| 21:02:10 | Rob24 | i did but what it saids wont work |
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| 21:03:18 | linuxstb | spahija: You could try some of the older builds from here, see if there's any difference - http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=ipod3g |
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| 21:04:03 | spahija | linuxstb, is there one spec thats more stable then other, coz latest are unusable |
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| 21:04:18 | Rob24 | a ha, it works now |
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| 21:04:38 | Rob24 | it works now |
| 21:05:05 | mutantpineapple | i don't want to sound like a disgruntled schoolboy, but i've tried to run several doom wads on several builds and never got one working :( |
| 21:05:14 | mutantpineapple | is this a common problem? |
| 21:05:38 | linuxstb | Not even the standard shareware Doom wad? |
| 21:05:46 | mutantpineapple | nope |
| 21:06:01 | linuxstb | Then no, it's not a common problem. |
| 21:06:12 | mutantpineapple | the menu just hangs until i can find a paperclip to operate the reset button |
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| 21:07:18 | * | Domonoky updated his rbutil patch.. linuxstb`s comments are now integrated :-) |
| 21:07:36 | * | linuxstb forgot what he said... |
| 21:07:43 | Domonoky | :-) |
| 21:08:04 | Domonoky | tabs in the mainwindow, and early selection of the device. |
| 21:08:15 | Lear | I had to patch the wad I had... |
| 21:09:11 | spahija | is there an alternative software that can play ogg besides rockbox ? |
| 21:09:44 | mki | ipodlinux with mpd, but its not very polished... |
| 21:10:07 | spahija | mki is it stable to be used daily ? |
| 21:11:10 | mki | i cant remember where exactly it stumbled for me, but... no |
| 21:11:13 | PaulJam | this is maybe a stupid question, but in which category would a bug with the filebrowser belong on flyspray? |
| 21:11:37 | linuxstb | PaulJam: What's the bug? |
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| 21:12:24 | PaulJam | the list title is sometimes wrong, it shows "files" instead of the folder name |
| 21:12:55 | linuxstb | I would say User Interface. |
| 21:13:00 | Rob24 | right now there is only one thing still bugging me, i cant figur out pacbox, like im looking at it at http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1710008.3.3 but not sure how to set it up |
| 21:13:39 | Lear | Me too. |
| 21:13:55 | Lear | (Regarding the bug category...) |
| 21:14:12 | PaulJam | linuxstb: thanks (i didn't see that you can scroll in the selection and thought this category was removed) |
| 21:15:48 | linuxstb | Rob24: You need a copy of the ROMs from the Pacman arcade machine. No-one here will tell you where to get them (at least not in this channel). |
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| 21:16:41 | Rob24 | s**t.... |
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| 21:17:12 | Rob24 | like im reading http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1710008.3.3 but having no luck |
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| 21:21:47 | Rob24 | know any one that would tell me? |
| 21:22:53 | linuxstb | Mr G. Oogle would probably know. |
| 21:23:49 | Nico_P | Domonoky: I get some build errors with your patch |
| 21:23:53 | Rob24 | i serched google but so far having no luck |
| 21:24:08 | Domonoky | i think i missed two files.. :-) |
| 21:24:11 | Domonoky | will fix :-) |
| 21:24:19 | mutantpineapple | linuxstb: as a rule, i don't trust people who can point an arrow on a map to where i live |
| 21:25:52 | Rob24 | i found a rom with like 4 diff files in it.. do i need all four? |
| 21:25:52 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: was swcodec good on threads or does mpegplayer use all the slots up? |
| 21:26:22 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: IIRC, I had to increase the number of threads. |
| 21:27:27 | linuxstb | Rob24: You need the 6 files listed in the manual... |
| 21:27:27 | jhMikeS | so it's at the limit now? to have all this seeking work, I really don't want the audio thread handling UI. it'll just be too messy. |
| 21:27:39 | linuxstb | So you want one more thread? |
| 21:27:56 | jhMikeS | yeps |
| 21:28:13 | linuxstb | I think the targets with remote LCDs need the most threads - for the remote scroll thread. |
| 21:28:37 | Rob24 | sh** i need 5e and 5f still >.> |
| 21:29:07 | jhMikeS | ok. I'll need Audio, Video, Buffer, and UI I think. |
| 21:29:10 | Rob24 | where can i find them? |
| 21:29:27 | linuxstb | What about doing UI in the video thread? Or is that going to be too troublesome on the dual-core targets? |
| 21:29:37 | Domonoky | Rob24: same answer as bevor..:-) google |
| 21:29:43 | Rob24 | kk |
| 21:30:02 | mutantpineapple | Rob24: puckman.zip? |
| 21:30:02 | jhMikeS | I really don't want the worker threads involved in any way...they really should just worry about their own stream or it's too twisted |
| 21:30:50 | linuxstb | OK, I've just got a natural dislike of threads... But I trust you to do the right thing. |
| 21:30:56 | jhMikeS | and trying to do that with the COP isn't possible anyway without lots of locking and sync |
| 21:31:13 | * | jhMikeS loves threads and lots of async stuff :) |
| 21:31:47 | linuxstb | I guess 3 or 4 threads isn't going to make any difference... |
| 21:32:10 | jhMikeS | My tendency is to prefer what is simpler _and_ meets the needs really. |
| 21:32:48 | jhMikeS | The buffering might be usuable in the core. It should be able to play forward and reverse and doesn't use any wrapping. |
| 21:33:04 | Rob24 | yah find the last 2 i need, now it should work |
| 21:33:09 | Nico_P | Domonoky: still build errors with the new patch |
| 21:33:10 | Rob24 | *yah FOUND |
| 21:33:41 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: So I take it there's a seeking commit coming up in the near future? |
| 21:33:43 | Domonoky | Nico_P: will have to patch my self a fresh tree an test .-) |
| 21:34:10 | Rob24 | yah it works, g2g thanks for the help guys |
| 21:34:12 | linuxstb | Domonoky: I get "rbutilFrm.h:59: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of 'DeviceSelectorCtrl' with no type" |
| 21:34:14 | jhMikeS | As near as possible. It really needs division into logical parts first. |
| 21:34:37 | linuxstb | You mean splitting mpegplayer.c ? |
| 21:35:06 | jhMikeS | yes which should keep it manageable and readable |
| 21:35:24 | linuxstb | Yes, I should have done that before committing the first audio support. |
| 21:36:13 | jhMikeS | At least I came across the needed info so that I won't have to guess about anything MPEG related :) |
| 21:37:06 | linuxstb | The ISO documents? |
| 21:37:17 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 21:40:40 | linuxstb | Domonoky: BTW, could you start putting version numbers in your patches? I get confused.... |
| 21:41:39 | Domonoky | :-) |
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| 21:50:05 | * | Domonoky updated the patch, now it should be good.. |
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| 21:57:55 | Domonoky | a win32 binary of this rbutil version: http://b23.org/~domonoky/rbutil.zip |
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| 22:02:01 | fm2 | markun: here? |
| 22:02:58 | linuxstb | Domonoky: I've found one big bug - the auto-detection works, but if you then try and do something (e.g. view themes, install bootloader), it does it for whatever device was last selected manually in the drop-down, not the device currently shown as auto-detected. |
| 22:03:30 | Nico_P | Domonoky: I got build erroes |
| 22:03:37 | Nico_P | errors* |
| 22:04:08 | Domonoky | linuxstb: ups, will fix.. |
| 22:04:16 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Did you delete the files added by the previous version of the patch? |
| 22:04:29 | Domonoky | Nico_P: with the last patch ? on a clean tree ? |
| 22:04:41 | linuxstb | I had a problem with a new file containing the same contents twice... |
| 22:05:06 | linuxstb | But it was my fault for not cleaning properly. |
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| 22:06:25 | Nico_P | OK yes now it works... I just deleted the whole rbutil dir and did "svn up" :) |
| 22:06:41 | Nico_P | hmm, nice |
| 22:06:50 | Domonoky | :-) |
| 22:07:23 | linuxstb | Yes, it's looking much nicer now. Although it feels out of proportion... |
| 22:07:37 | Nico_P | linuxstb: talking about the rockbox logo ? |
| 22:08:02 | linuxstb | The whole screen. I guess the two buttons at the bottom look squashed. |
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| 22:10:54 | Nico_P | Domonoky: the new theme dialog is cool, but the progressbar is a bit annoying |
| 22:13:02 | Domonoky | which progressbar ? the downloading ? |
| 22:13:08 | Nico_P | Domonoky: yes |
| 22:13:36 | Nico_P | Domonoky: and I suppose you are aware that the controls could do with some resizing |
| 22:14:32 | Domonoky | yes, especially in the theme dialog, but i dont know to much about wxwidgets.. :-) |
| 22:14:48 | Lear | Had a look at rbutil (for the first time). When I went to the "Install theme" page, it didn't show any "Ok" and "Cancel" buttons, which was a bit confusing. Resizing the window a little made them show. |
| 22:15:00 | Lear | Can't easily repeat it though... |
| 22:15:12 | Domonoky | Lear: yes i know this.. |
| 22:15:16 | Lear | Ah. |
| 22:15:47 | Nico_P | I would've loved seeing rbutil in Qt :) |
| 22:15:55 | Domonoky | the problem is that the controls can differ much in size, and i dont know how to proper resize a window in wxwidgets.. |
| 22:16:21 | Domonoky | Qt would make it easier.. :-) so if you start a port.. i will help :-) |
| 22:16:23 | Lear | Doesn't wxwidgets have decent layout managers? |
| 22:16:44 | Domonoky | Lear: it has, but i dont know to much about wxWidgets.. |
| 22:17:11 | Nico_P | Domonoky: I know absolutly nothing about Qt or wxWidgets or even C++ |
| 22:17:16 | Lear | Good, it can be fixed then... :) |
| 22:17:37 | Nico_P | I was just saying that because I'm a KDE user and GTK is kinda weird in a KDE env :) |
| 22:17:46 | Lear | (Without ugly, manual layout code...) |
| 22:18:13 | Lear | nico_p: ditto for Gnome users and QT. |
| 22:18:23 | Domonoky | Lear: i think so .. |
| 22:18:26 | Nico_P | Domonoky: is it normal that "install rbutil on device" fails ? |
| 22:18:45 | Nico_P | Lear: gnome users should switch :p |
| 22:19:27 | Domonoky | yes, this function is broken, i dont know why, i think because i dont use the installer which was originally used ? |
| 22:19:37 | Nico_P | of course I don't actually mean that... the best would be a unified toolkit. Hasn't it been started ? |
| 22:21:59 | Bagder | Nico_P: they will never unify |
| 22:22:37 | Domonoky | a port of wxWidgets to Qt/KDE widgets would be nice, just like wxGTK :-) |
| 22:22:42 | Nico_P | Bagder: why's that ? |
| 22:22:55 | Nico_P | Domonoky: that would indeed be very cool |
| 22:23:02 | Bagder | Nico_P: mostly because Qt is a commercial product |
| 22:23:03 | Nico_P | for us at least |
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| 22:23:29 | Nico_P | Bagder: from my limited understanding, that issue was resolved some time ago |
| 22:23:42 | Bagder | the license issue, sure |
| 22:23:47 | Bagder | but Qt is still a commercial product |
| 22:24:01 | Reno | hey it's reno i'm back here is my question: |
| 22:24:18 | Bagder | so there won't be any will from Trolltech to unite with GTK - at least that's what I suspect |
| 22:24:20 | Nico_P | Bagder: ah and this is enough to make some people be against using Qt ? |
| 22:24:22 | Reno | can i put gameboy advance games on rockbox? |
| 22:24:25 | Nico_P | ah |
| 22:24:32 | linuxstb | Reno: No. |
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| 22:24:40 | Reno | or nintendo ds games? |
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| 22:24:48 | Domonoky | Reno: no, and read and Understand teh manual :-) |
| 22:24:51 | Reno | as long as i have the roms? |
| 22:24:56 | Nico_P | Bagder: but I think I remember reading about a project that would allow applications to run on both |
| 22:25:08 | Bagder | too long time has passed and too much efforts have been put into the projects now, I really don't see how a united one will be a good idea |
| 22:25:10 | AceNik_ | can anyone tell me which books can i learn arm assembly from |
| 22:25:29 | Bagder | Nico_P: I bet you can make some kind of layer that would run in both, sure |
| 22:25:50 | mki | gtk+ is lgpl, qt is gpl... |
| 22:25:51 | Reno | so i cant put nintendo ds games or the "roms" on rockbox? |
| 22:26:10 | linuxstb | Reno: No. |
| 22:26:14 | mki | meaning you cant use qt in closed source stuff without paying trolltech |
| 22:26:44 | Reno | ok? |
| 22:27:25 | Reno | can i create my own theme for rockbox? yes right? what program do i have to use? or do i have to use a certain program? |
| 22:27:48 | scorche | Reno: a text editor works fine |
| 22:28:03 | Reno | ok like which one? |
| 22:28:20 | Reno | which one do you guy's use? |
| 22:28:28 | Bagder | emacs! |
| 22:28:31 | * | Bagder giggles |
| 22:28:38 | scorche | we use a bunch of different ones ;) |
| 22:28:42 | Nico_P | Bagder: do you use it ? |
| 22:28:46 | Bagder | yes |
| 22:28:57 | Bagder | every day since 1991 |
| 22:29:10 | * | scorche sighs at Bagder |
| 22:29:10 | * | Lear was waiting for preglow to jump in just there... |
| 22:29:11 | Reno | ok? which one is the best one? or which one do u think i should use? |
| 22:29:15 | Nico_P | not too surprising for a grumpy old man :) |
| 22:29:28 | Domonoky | if somebody has a suggestion how to deal better with the resizing controls in the Themepage of rbutil.. please say something.. :-) |
| 22:29:31 | scorche | Reno: there is no best one...just pick one and use it |
| 22:29:32 | Bagder | now now, watch out for my cane when I swing at you |
| 22:29:36 | Lear | Hm, my first contact with Emacs was around '91... |
| 22:29:45 | Nico_P | Bagder: do you actually use it in a term ? |
| 22:29:55 | Bagder | mostly not |
| 22:30:02 | Bagder | emacs has worked in X since about '91 too |
| 22:30:07 | Reno | yeah but i dont think that i know oh any tesxt editors |
| 22:30:24 | Domonoky | Reno: notepad :-) |
| 22:30:31 | Reno | oh |
| 22:30:32 | Reno | kk |
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| 22:30:38 | Reno | thank you |
| 22:31:01 | Reno | does it show u how to make one in the manual? |
| 22:32:02 | Domonoky | Reno: look in the manual / Wiki or at other Themes.. |
| 22:32:35 | Reno | ok...what does Wiki mean again? |
| 22:33:19 | Domonoky | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome |
| 22:33:36 | Reno | thanks |
| 22:35:16 | Reno | just one more thing do you guy's have any more games for rockbox? If you do can you give me a link of where i can download them please? |
| 22:35:57 | scorche | Reno: i told you about this before.. |
| 22:36:26 | Reno | you did? |
| 22:37:08 | scorche | well, i suppose it could have been another person, but point is, this channel is about rockbox...not gameboy games....that questions is off-topic here |
| 22:37:13 | scorche | -s |
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| 22:38:29 | Reno | yeah but what i'm trying to ask is if does rockbox have any more games to download? ecxept for doom. : ) |
| 22:38:45 | Bagder | Reno: there are lots of game plugins |
| 22:38:56 | scorche | what works with it, comes with it |
| 22:39:01 | scorche | i suggest you read the manual |
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| 22:39:14 | Reno | can you please give me a link? |
| 22:39:24 | scorche | www.rockbox.org |
| 22:39:39 | Reno | ok thank you. : ) |
| 22:39:43 | Reno | Bye |
| 22:40:33 | scorche | Soap: there? |
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| 22:46:25 | scorche | i do love how the "Dj" in the user list attempts to use big words, but cant spell them |
| 22:47:18 | Reno | hey wheni use the mpeg player on rockbox why does the sound go faster than the video? |
| 22:47:52 | scorche | enable frame skip |
| 22:47:58 | Reno | o |
| 22:48:00 | Reno | ok |
| 22:48:03 | Reno | thanks |
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| 22:48:21 | scorche | mpegplayer is a work in progress though, so dont get offended if it doesnt work perfectly |
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| 22:49:15 | Reno | no its ok i can still switch my ipod back to normal and watch the videos there! |
| 22:49:35 | Reno | why would i be offended? |
| 22:49:57 | Reno | u guy's are the ones doing all the work creating stuff like this. |
| 22:50:12 | scorche | some people are odd.. |
| 22:50:36 | Reno | oh lol |
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| 22:51:40 | Reno | i heard that people can give anipod more memory...is that true? does that count as a rockbox question? |
| 22:51:56 | Psy87 | could somebody help me, i'm trying to convert my ipod to FAT32 |
| 22:54:54 | Psy87 | ??? |
| 22:55:02 | linuxstb | What's the problem? |
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| 22:55:48 | Reno | can somebody give me a link to download more themes for rockbox i cant seem to find them in the site or in the manual. |
| 22:56:03 | Reno | please |
| 22:56:14 | scorche | Reno: enter rockbox themes into google |
| 22:56:21 | Reno | ok |
| 22:56:27 | Reno | thanks |
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| 22:56:32 | Reno | bye |
| 22:56:48 | Psy87 | i have to download the required files discribed in step 1a and 1b, but there are no files in the manual |
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| 22:56:57 | scorche | really...try and make an attempt to find stuff before asking in here... |
| 22:57:05 | * | scorche snaps his fingers |
| 22:58:34 | Psy87 | i only want to know which are the required files... i dont have a pc to do it the easy way |
| 22:59:07 | linuxstb | Psy87: You're right, that page doesn't make any sense... I think you can just ignore that first sentence in step a) |
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| 22:59:39 | Psy87 | ok, thank you, so the ipodpatche is the only file i need to convert? |
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| 23:00:23 | linuxstb | You don't even need that - unless you have a video ipod and are unsure if it's a 2048 or 512 byte sector ipod. |
| 23:01:12 | linuxstb | Those instructions were extracted from an old version of the install instructions, and haven't been adapted properly for standalone use... |
| 23:01:54 | webguest09 | Pls, i need help |
| 23:02:16 | Psy87 | well ok, so what should be my first step? |
| 23:02:52 | webguest09 | i just install rockbox on my ipod video 30G and it stay freeze at the aplle logo at the start |
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| 23:03:21 | webguest09 | what should i do? |
| 23:04:30 | webguest09 | i reset it lots of time but it do nothing |
| 23:04:45 | linuxstb | Put it into disk mode, connect to your PC and finish the install. |
| 23:04:56 | webguest09 | i cant open it |
| 23:05:06 | webguest09 | and my comp dont see it wen i connect it |
| 23:05:16 | webguest09 | it stock at the apple logo |
| 23:05:28 | linuxstb | You need to put your ipod into disk mode. |
| 23:05:41 | webguest09 | how? |
| 23:05:42 | Psy87 | ok, my sektor size is 512bytes |
| 23:06:06 | linuxstb | webguest09: http://www.google.com/search?q=disk+mode |
| 23:06:30 | linuxstb | Psy87: Do you know the disk device assigned to your ipod? e.g. /dev/disk1 ? |
| 23:06:39 | webguest09 | nop |
| 23:06:44 | Psy87 | disk2s3 |
| 23:07:15 | linuxstb | OK, /dev/disk2 is the device. (disk2s3 is the current HFS partition on that disk) |
| 23:07:17 | Psy87 | thats what disk utility sasy |
| 23:07:24 | Psy87 | ah ok |
| 23:08:05 | webguest09 | thx a lot men!! |
| 23:08:23 | webguest09 | ok now that it is in disk mode i go where? |
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| 23:09:02 | linuxstb | Psy87: So the "dd" command you need will be "dd if=mbr-video30gb.bin of=/dev/disk2" (assuming you have the 30GB video) |
| 23:09:16 | linuxstb | webguest09: Did you download and extract rockbox.zip ? |
| 23:09:18 | webguest09 | i wright it where? |
| 23:09:23 | webguest09 | yup |
| 23:09:28 | webguest09 | i extract it |
| 23:09:34 | linuxstb | To your ipod? |
| 23:09:35 | Psy87 | where should i save the table file? |
| 23:09:40 | webguest09 | no |
| 23:09:48 | webguest09 | ill put it on my ipod |
| 23:10:21 | linuxstb | Psy87: Anywhere you want. But you need to be able to find it in the terminal. The easiest place will probably just be the Desktop. |
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| 23:11:38 | webguest09 | ok im in the rockbox folder, now i click what? |
| 23:12:01 | linuxstb | You don't click, you just extract the contents of the zip to your ipod, and you're done. |
| 23:12:19 | webguest09 | thx a lot |
| 23:12:21 | linuxstb | You may want to do the same thing with the fonts zip file. |
| 23:12:36 | Psy87 | ok, done so far |
| 23:12:50 | linuxstb | Have you done the "dd" ? |
| 23:13:31 | Psy87 | yes, know just erase using disk utility, right? |
| 23:13:53 | linuxstb | Yes. Or just type "newfs_msdos -F32 -v iPod /dev/rdisk2s2" |
| 23:14:29 | Psy87 | ok, terminal is already open :) |
| 23:14:52 | linuxstb | It's easier than all that messing around with the mouse... |
| 23:15:45 | Psy87 | yes, an it looks like you know how to handle with the terminal |
| 23:16:01 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:17:00 | Psy87 | now its FAT32 :) thank you very much |
| 23:17:47 | linuxstb | OK, now make sure the original Apple firmware is still working on your ipod, and if so, install Rockbox. |
| 23:18:18 | Psy87 | yes it does "Do not disconnect" is still blinking |
| 23:18:52 | linuxstb | I mean disconnect and check the original menus appear OK. |
| 23:19:59 | Psy87 | yes, the appear |
| 23:20:03 | Psy87 | they* |
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| 23:24:47 | Psy87 | hm, the apple logo doesnt go away |
| 23:25:48 | linuxstb | Did you extract rockbox.zip to youripod? |
| 23:26:15 | Psy87 | -.- |
| 23:26:41 | linuxstb | Read back and see what I just said to webguest09.... |
| 23:26:59 | Psy87 | yes, i know, thank you |
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| 23:31:18 | Psy87 | logo still doesnt disappear |
| 23:31:37 | linuxstb | What did you do? |
| 23:32:05 | Psy87 | i copied the folder .rockbox to my ipod an restarted it |
| 23:32:39 | linuxstb | The folder definitely started with a "." ? |
| 23:32:48 | Psy87 | yes |
| 23:33:08 | linuxstb | And inside there is a rockbox.ipod file (amongst other things) ? |
| 23:33:10 | Psy87 | but i take e 2nd look |
| 23:33:48 | linuxstb | A common problem on Macs is that you'll get a "rockbox" folder, with a ".rockbox" folder inside, and that ".rockbox" folder will be hidden by default in Finder... |
| 23:34:55 | Soap | scorche: pong. |
| 23:34:58 | Psy87 | he didnt copy it, but i see all hidden files an i dont have this problem, i restart again |
| 23:37:00 | Psy87 | ok, it finally works :) thank you a lot |
| 23:37:31 | linuxstb | You're welcome. |
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| 23:44:26 | Rob24 | When you play a rom and you save there are 5 slots, are those 5 slots for that game or for ALL of the roms you have |
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| 23:44:45 | Leetlandon | Hey. |
| 23:45:07 | Leetlandon | Is it possible to make a patch for rockboy so I can listen to music whisl playing? |
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| 23:46:34 | alienbiker99 | what player do you have |
| 23:47:14 | linuxstb | Leetlandon: You already can on the gigabeat, on other players, you can't because the CPU isn't powerful enough to do both things at once. |
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| 23:49:00 | Leetlandon | Shux. |
| 23:49:14 | Leetlandon | Well, can I enable it anyways, or will it crash? |
| 23:51:42 | linuxstb | In theory you could. You'll need to disable the use of IRAM in Rockboy as that stops audio playback. |
| 23:52:18 | Rob24 | IS there any way to cusomize a snes controllar to plug into the head phone jack of my ipod video? I heard that the head phone jack is is a serial port |
| 23:52:38 | Rob24 | aswell |
| 23:52:45 | linuxstb | No, the headphone jack is a headphone jack... There is a serial port in the dock connector. |
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| 23:53:20 | linuxstb | Earlier ipods had a separate serial port jack next to the headphone jack. |
| 23:53:48 | Rob24 | kk, so if you did want to make a custom controllar would it be possible with the dock conector? |
| 23:54:31 | linuxstb | In theory. You would have to write the drivers for Rockbox as well. |
| 23:55:24 | Rob24 | ic |
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| 23:56:01 | Rob24 | also for doom if i wnat to play doom one do i only need the doom1.wad? or do i need more then 1 .wad? |
| 23:57:47 | * | Nico_P wonders why the build system hasn't compiled the latest revision |
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