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#rockbox log for 2007-04-25

00:00:54 Quit Redbreva ("ChatZilla [Firefox]")
00:03:14Rob24some one help me find doom.wad because i cnat find it on the internet anywhere
00:03:44Domonoky_Rob24: no help for such things here, use google
00:04:09Rob24i did but i cant find a download for it
00:04:11scorcheRob24: did you happen to click on the "extras" link under downloads?
00:05:27Rob24i downloaded the rockdoom zip but it only gives me freedoom
00:06:21scorcheand is something wrong with freedoom?
00:06:22Rob24and i dont really like freen doom so i want like doom 1
00:06:31Rob24i just dont like it much
00:07:18scorchethe shareware doom?
00:08:16Rob24i tried but free doom is the only one showing up when i go to doom (in rock box- axctuly on ipod) then game, it only shows freedoom
00:08:44scorchei am saying, doom1 is shareware
00:09:00scorcheoh...that isnt working?
00:09:17Rob24sharwear so, it wont work work with rock box?
00:09:30SoapRockbox respects intelectual property and does not encourage, condone, nor tolerate the "pirating" of IP. Fishing for links to commercial WADs is fruitless.
00:09:31Rob24no its not working
00:11:26Rob24kick a$$ NOW its working =D
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00:14:58Rob24lol i found out my freedoom wasnt working XD duh retarted me
00:15:24amiconnNico_P: While wps_parser.c is placed under apps/gui/, it doesn't play "by the rules"
00:15:32Rob24**why doom sharwear wasnt working
00:15:51amiconnThe gui code is (or should be) designed to work with more than one screen without needing too much special casing
00:16:27Nico_Pamiconn: I wasn't aware of that rule
00:16:49Nico_Pwhat should I do ? move wps_parser.c out of gui ?
00:16:49amiconnThat doesn't apply to the processing of image tags - it won't work for remote lcds (unless they have the same pixel format by coincidence)
00:18:01amiconnread_bmp_file() needs to be told whether it should load for main or remote, and there are several other places which need to check parameters from struct screen instead of just relying on #if(def)
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00:19:06amiconnI think the wps parser should be fixed to work correctly with more than one display
00:20:26amiconnImho some assumptions can be kept, e.g. that if there is more than one display, they are always of the same class, i.e. not mixing bitmap with charcell
00:20:44Nico_Pamiconn: I don't see how read_bmp_file knows whether it's working on the main screen or on the remote
00:21:06amiconnIt doesn't know, it must be told |FORMAT_REMOTE when laoding for the remote
00:22:22*amiconn fixed such a problem not long ago, in the new themable icon code
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00:23:19Nico_Pamiconn: the problem is that the parsing is meant to only act on the wps_data, so it doesn't know about the screen
00:23:23amiconnI think we can also safely assume that multi-screen targets will always be bitmapped,
00:23:30Nico_Pand I'm pretty sure the old code worked the same way
00:23:49amiconnload_bitmap() does not only work on the wps_data
00:23:51Nico_P...which I know isn't a reason to do the same
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00:24:53Nico_Pamiconn: it doesn't know anything about the screen and only writes the bitmap data to the bitmap buffer
00:24:56amiconnHmm, it loads the data into a buffer pointed to by the structure, but this loading needs to know the display, because the internal pixel format is display dependent
00:25:16Nico_Pso wps_data needs to be aware of the screen type
00:25:22amiconn...even for the M5. ALthough both main & remote are 2 bit greyscale, they don't have the same pixel format
00:26:34Rob24Know when you play a rom, they when you save it has the 5 save spots, are those spots for that one game or for ALL the roms you have
00:26:37amiconnThis is one problem. Another one is that backdrops are only supported on screens with depth >= 2 on iriver, the main lcd needs to support backdrops while the remote can't
00:27:48Nico_Pamiconn: I wanted to simply disable the %X tag on the remote but got stopped by the fact that I have no way to know if I'm the remote or not
00:28:10amiconnOn the X5 and M5 %X should work for the remote
00:28:46Nico_Pamiconn: they should but what actually happens is that the %X tag from the RWPS will clear the backdrop from the main display
00:28:56amiconn(and standard bitmaps should also made working correctly, by loading them in the correct pixel format)
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00:29:35amiconnYes, because there is only one global backdrop_bmp_name
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00:30:56Nico_Pamiconn: that's not the issue. the backdrop is loaded as soon as the parsing is finished, so that var isn't needed anymore by the time we start loading the RWPS. the problem is that there's nothing in backdrop.c to allow loading a remote backdrop
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00:31:43Nico_Pwe have two buffers: main and wps... we should have two more: remote-main and remote-wps
00:31:58amiconnYes, for targets with an lcd remote
00:31:59Nico_Pand the appropriate loading functions
00:32:13amiconn...and where remote depth > 1
00:32:18Nico_Pyes, that's what I meant
00:32:52amiconnAnother half baked solution... :looks at linuxstb:
00:33:10Nico_Pamiconn: what do you mean by half-baked ?
00:33:29amiconnThat it supports only half of the displays on X5 and M5...
00:33:51Nico_Pah, you're talking about the current code ?
00:34:35amiconnExtending it there should be relatively straightforward though
00:34:39Nico_Pshouldn't the backdrop buffer be somewhere closer to the (remote-)lcd driver ?
00:34:51Nico_Por in the screen struct ?
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00:35:42amiconnI don't think it should be in the driver, as it would fix the number of possible backdrops
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00:36:09Nico_Pamiconn: the number of possible backdrops per screen ?
00:37:00Nico_Pwhy would it be more limited in the driver than where it is now ?
00:37:23amiconnNow the app code can define as many backdrop buffers as it needs without changing the driver
00:37:30Nico_P(forgive me for all my questions, I'm not very familiar with that code... actually I really started reading it today)
00:37:38amiconnEven plugins can do it and use their own backdrop(s)
00:37:39Nico_Pah ok
00:38:26amiconnThe bitmap arrays can be defined with less ifdefing now, btw
00:39:10amiconnThere are now LCD_FBWIDTH and LCD_FBHEIGHT macros
00:39:23amiconn(and the corresponding LCD_REMOTE_* versions as well)
00:40:29amiconnHmm, maybe the backdrop buffers themselves should go in the screen structure...
00:41:36Nico_Pamiconn: yes, that's what I was suggesting a bit earlier
00:41:53Nico_Pmyabe in a struct backdrop too
00:43:20amiconnHmm, is the wps backdrop also loaded by load_bitmap() in wps_parser.c?
00:43:58Nico_Pno, load_wps_backdrop(img_path)
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00:44:22Nico_Pwhich will actually call read_bmp_file
00:44:41amiconnAh, so it's obvious why defining a remote wps backdrop makes the main backdrop vanish
00:45:00Nico_Pthat's exactly what I was going to say :)
00:45:03amiconnA backdrop needs to be exactly the same resolution as the screen
00:45:30amiconn...and this mechanism tries to load the defined remote backdrop for the main lcd, which has a different resolution...
00:45:34Nico_Pyeah so the Rbackdrop is declared invalid after having cleared the main one
00:46:43Nico_Pin the current approach, we'd need new functions to load and unload remote_main and remote_wps backdrops. With a struct backdrop and functions working on it, it could be made more flexible
00:47:06amiconnSo apps/recorder/backdrop.[ch] needs to be multi-screen api compliant (and moved to apps/gui/)
00:47:26amiconnInsert 'made' somewhere...
00:47:39JdGordonamiconn: if/when usbotg ever happens, I thinnk the assumption that a second screen would never be charcell is wrong
00:47:53amiconnJdGordon: oh?
00:48:20Nico_Pamiconn: are you voluteering to do it or do you want me to try ?
00:48:33Nico_PI kinda like playing with this code :)
00:48:39JdGordonI have a few of these which work over usb that would be great for rockbox displays int he car... just waiting for usbotg to get them wrking
00:49:24amiconnThat will be quite special anyway... so perhaps will get special support via plugin
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00:50:20amiconnBut iirc someone mentioned that there are ipod remotes with (charcell) display... if we manage to get the PP serial port working...
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00:52:24amiconnThat remote lcd driver will be a challenge as I think it will have to deal with variable resolution (different remotes)
00:53:05amiconnNico_P: If you like to play with this code, please go ahead
00:53:16JdGordondont those ipo remotes do the display themselves by info given to them from the OF?
00:53:34JdGordon... the OF doesnt know about the display any more than its a serial device attached
00:54:11amiconnNico_P: One more hint - the backdrop loading already uses a 'struct bitmap'
00:54:46amiconnThe lcd drivers will soon start using this structure (or a extended version) as well
00:55:04Nico_Pamiconn: I see 'static bool load_backdrop(char* filename, fb_data* backdrop_buffer)'
00:55:24Nico_Phmm ok
00:55:43amiconnlcd_bitmap() and lcd_bitmap_part() will then just take a struct bitmap* instead of width, height, stride and the pointer to the bitmap data
00:56:04amiconn...and there will be no more separate calls for mono, native and transparent bitmaps
00:56:23Nico_Pit only uses the bitmap struct to pass it to read_bmp_file
00:56:36Nico_Pamiconn: who is working on this new lcd driver ? you ?
00:57:28amiconnyes, I will
00:57:54Nico_Psounds nice... have you started coding yet ?
00:58:21amiconnActually not, but I am working out the concept in my head
00:58:41Nico_Pok :)
00:58:54amiconnThis will be related to the viewports stuff, and some more changes related to text output and scrolling text etc
00:59:55Nico_Pthis is going to be a major rework of all the displaying code then ?
01:00:10amiconnIt will also bring proper transparent bitamp support to greyscale and mono targets (via a mask bitmap which will be part of struct bitmap)
01:01:05amiconnI hope this will even cut binary size a bit, because lcd_bitmap[_part] calls will take less parameters -> less call overhead
01:01:43amiconnUnfortunately lcd_bitmap_part() will still have more than 4 parameters though (4 is the limit for regparms both on SH and arm)
01:03:00Nico_Pthe actual bitmap and the desired part ?
01:04:06amiconnAnd the desired placement of course
01:04:17Nico_Pcouldn't the part be described well enough by another struct bitmap ?
01:06:20amiconnstruct bitmap contains width, height, format (mono/native/transparent), and the pointer to the data
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01:06:45amiconn(two pointers on greyscale and mono targets)
01:07:15amiconnThe part, however, needs x, y, width and height
01:07:39Nico_Pah yes... well that could be a nice struct rectangle, couldn't it ?
01:08:28amiconnIt could, but I doubt that there would be an advantage using such a struct
01:09:11amiconnWell, you would only need to pass a pointer to that struct, but in turn you need to write the values of the struct member to memory before calling
01:09:44amiconnstruct bitmap is different because the bitmap needs to be loaded into memory anyway (or is even already there, for built in bitmaps)
01:09:53Nico_Pyeah, probably not much of an advantage
01:10:35amiconnbmp2rb will be changed to output such a struct as source of course
01:11:06amiconnI am also pondering to flip the mono format for the greyscale ipods (and maybe also the 16 bit targets) without changing the font format
01:11:21amiconnThis needs experimenting and measuring speeds
01:14:26Rob24Is there any way to make the emulator screen size bigger? (for 5g ipod video)
01:15:11Nico_PRob24: ./rockboxui −−zoom
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01:19:05Rob24where is rockboxui?
01:20:26Nico_Prockboxui is the simulator binary
01:20:53Rob24how do i get to it to make the sceen bigger
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01:26:05Nico_PRob24: do you have a running simulator ?
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01:33:10Nico_Panyone against the idea of a "−−debugwps" command line switch for the sim ?
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01:36:41amiconnNico_P: Why would that be necessary?
01:36:51amiconnJust use DEBUGF() ...
01:37:00amiconnSims are always debug enabled
01:37:07Nico_Pamiconn: I have some debugging functions that are very verbose
01:37:27Nico_Pcan be quite annoying when not debugging the wps
01:37:36amiconnAnd if debugging isn't needed (anymore) in a module, it could be disabled at the top by
01:37:44amiconn#ifdef DEBUGF
01:37:49amiconn#undef DEBUGF
01:37:56amiconn#define DEBUGF()
01:38:22pixelmayeah - I've seen those in one of the tokenizer patches...
01:38:57Nico_Pwell I had the debug code under an #if 0... but I felt a commandline switch to the sim would be more elegant
01:39:27Nico_Pno need to recompile to choose whether to get the debug info or not
01:39:48Nico_Pand like that the prebuilt sim binaries will have the capability
01:40:17Nico_Pit can be very useful to WPS designers, but very annoying for others
01:42:01Nico_Pit's a small patch :
01:44:26Nico_Pobjections ?
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01:48:03pixelmaNico_P: is that on purpose that you ask at this time of day ;)
01:48:49Nico_Phaha, maybe :)
01:50:56pixelmabut actually (can't comment on from the coder side) but to me the output of it was already a bit too much to be usefull for a wps designer (one patch I tried didn't have it commented out) - wouldn't mind though but I doubt I'd use it myself
01:51:36pixelma(I meant one tokenizer patch had it still enabled)
01:53:49Nico_Ppixelma: yes, maybe it could be tuned down
01:54:09Nico_Por maybe have different levels of verbosity :D
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01:56:50Nico_Phmm I think I'll just commit. It won't *hurt* anyone and in case it's too much I'll just tune it down a little
01:56:55Nico_Pmikestizzle: hello
01:57:07mikestizzlewhat's up?
01:58:27Soapwhy not just leave it as a patch? Anyone who wants it is already compiling aren't they?
01:59:32mikestizzlei have a slight technical issue with rockbox on my Gigabeat, but I don't think it is specific to my hardware - anyone willing to help ?
01:59:34Nico_PSoap: actually it allows getting more debugging info without recompiling
01:59:50Nico_PSoap: info that can be very useful to WPS designers
02:00:42Soapmikestizzle: you won't get an answer honey until you ask. ;)
02:00:43Nico_P... that (it is my understanding) are the main target of precompiled sim binaries
02:00:44Soapthen i misunderstood, Nico_P, I though it was a compile-time switch.
02:00:58Nico_PSoap: it was, the changes makes it a runtime one
02:01:20mikestizzleright on. Uh, this is probably a really simple thing, but I just dumped all of my music onto my player from my computer into a folder (with several subfolders), and let the database thing pick it up. but now in the database there are two entries for EVERY song, why is this?
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02:02:23Soapmikestizzle: there are a variety of common causes, often there is a duplicate entry in the Recycle Bin.
02:03:03mikestizzlethat's probably what it is! i deleted it, disconnected it, reset it and it was still there. Do I have to hook it back up to my computer or can I clear the recycle bin from inside of Rockbox?
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02:05:22Soapyou can do it from your computer, might also want to trash your database and start over.
02:05:51mikestizzlesoap: willdo. yeah I trashed my DB last time as well.. I think I did. what do I have to do to ensure the DB is wiped clean?
02:07:21mikestizzleYup, it was left over stuff in the recycle bin. I can't believe I didn't think of that. Thanks a lot Soap
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02:14:17mikestizzleSoap: alright I cleared the recycler, but it's acting funny now. I think i need to reset the database. how do I do that?
02:15:14SoapTHAT is where I come up short. The old database files to be deleted are mentioned in the forums. I, personally, never use the database - so I am weak on that subject.
02:16:24Nico_Pfunny quote from rasher's irc stats (sorry, 4 lines) :
02:16:28Nico_PPoor Peter D'Hoye, nobody likes him. He was attacked 2 times.
02:16:28Nico_PFor example, like this:
02:16:28Nico_P * forehead slaps petur
02:16:28DBUGEnqueued KICK Nico_P
02:16:28Nico_Phimself seems to be unliked too. He/She got beaten 2 times.
02:17:04scorchehehe...that was me =)
02:17:07mikestizzleSoap: thanks a lot :)
02:17:42Nico_Pscorche: nice one :) I also like how "himself" is unliked
02:19:16mikestizzleAwesome! I think everything is fine. You guys are really cool. Thanks a lot to everyone who develops Rockbox, the standard toshiba software didn't even work in the first place.
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02:19:49pearldivermikestizzle it worked for me for 2 years without any troubles
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02:21:17pearldiverpain neck it causes is a completely different topic though
02:21:17mikestizzlepearldiver and then it quit?
02:21:35pearldivermikestizzle then the rockbox port came
02:22:28mikestizzlei'm glad it came, I just got my Gigabeat last week when they were on sale for $100
02:23:26Soapsweet price - new?
02:23:27pearldiveryeah that deal was too good to pass by
02:23:43pearldiverSoap it was $90 shipped actually
02:23:56pearldiverbrand new
02:23:59Soapdamn - which one?
02:24:18Soapthat's as much CPU, RAM, and HD as my wife's laptop!
02:24:25pearldiverSoap they sold around 4000 units in 20 hours
02:25:16mikestizzleyeah they did, I got lucky I bought it fast enough. lots of people got backordered
02:25:18pearldiveri think it tops the amount they sold when it was actually available :P
02:26:32mikestizzlewouldn't surprise me. I would not have bought it if it was not for the price... the software had conflicts with some hardware I have, I had to turn off my external hard drive for it to even install, and it still didn't work then
02:27:15mikestizzleyou guys are super cool, thank you a lot. I'm off to go play a game of quake. thanks again, i'll be around.
02:27:16amiconnpreglow: Does the codec system allow to play 8 bit samples?
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02:41:14steveothe manual is a good place to start?
02:43:42Soapa great place.
02:43:53SoapSay hi to Chris P.
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02:54:15Camjpnhey can anyone answer my question?
02:56:35pearldiverjust shoot the question
02:57:00Camjpnk, well i have a Gigabeat F20
02:57:25Camjpnand everything is fine, but while im listening to music, it wont play any songs other than the artist im listening to..
02:57:33Camjpnis there some option i need to change?
02:57:42pearldiverwhat do you mean by that exactly?
02:58:49Camjpnok well, im listening to a band...and i have 5 songs,,after i listen to these 5 songs, of that wont change to the next artist
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03:02:54Camjpnok i found out the problem
03:02:56Camjpnthanks anyways.
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03:06:17Nico_Pamiconn: care to review a quick patch ?
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03:07:17rob24Hey every one
03:08:15rob24I have a question, any one up for awnsering it?
03:08:30pearldiverjust shoot the question
03:09:00rob24I want to know how to change the size of the screen when im playing a rom
03:09:36rob24So its bigger and easier to read the text
03:09:40Nico_Prob24: aaahh the GB emulator ! Earlier I thought you were talking about the UI Simulator... sorry
03:10:04pearldiveroptions / screen options
03:10:06rob24its allright
03:10:30pearldiver(within the emulator itself)
03:10:45rob24OH! allright kk
03:12:07rob24kk thanks, *loads up pokemon red =P) sure im 15 but still love that pokeman red ;)
03:13:40rob24oh, also another rom question, if a rom is running slower then all ther other roms then is it the rom its self thats slow? or soemthing else making it slow
03:13:54preglowamiconn: hmm, i think so
03:14:19preglowask me again tomorrow
03:14:20preglowdrunk now
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03:14:40pearldiverrob24 the rom itself
03:14:47rob24kk thanks again
03:14:50pearldiversome games need more juice
03:15:01preglowi need more juice
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03:16:18rob24Sh** f**k you radom acsesse battling system >.>
03:16:20pearldiverwho doesnt
03:16:55rob24DIE RATTATA!
03:17:31rob24go squirtle go!
03:18:19pearldiverrob24 now thats slightly offtopic
03:18:22rob24oh noes he is gonna die!
03:18:26rob24oh yes yes sorry
03:18:44steveoso anyone have any idea when we will be able to fast forward movies?
03:19:28rob24hell if i want to watch a movie i will just switch from rock box to normal ipod
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03:20:57pearldiversteveo there're no estimate dates for those things
03:21:12preglowwhenever someone blooduy codes it
03:22:06steveo=( thats the only problem i have, other then that its all good, would hate to start watching a move and stop half way through and have to wait for it to get to same spot
03:22:25rob24man i wish i was smart enough to make a snes controllar wotk with fun box so i can finaly play these games XD
03:22:36preglowas would we all, but someone still has to code it
03:23:02preglowit's not exactly something the novices go for
03:23:47pearldiversteveo thats not really a "problem" when you have something else than ipod :P
03:24:15pearldivermore of a "advantage", if you know what i mean
03:24:28pearldiveripod video that is
03:24:39rob24and ipod you say?o-O i think i might have soemthing like that ;)
03:25:35rob24wow, its kind of trippy when i go from playing a rom on full screen then all of a sudden it goes to the small texted menu @_@
03:25:37jhMikeSpreglow: don't you mean "whenever jhMikeS bloody codes it?" =:P lol
03:25:54rob24lol ^−−−−
03:26:15CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
03:26:15*jhMikeS is working on it now anyway
03:27:20rob24whast a rewally good theme that doesnt look like fun box crappy default?
03:27:27rob24*a really
03:27:29jhMikeSit's good cause I get to rewrite and debug a simpler playback engine outside rockbox then it can be incorporated in the core later
03:27:36pearldiverrob24 just browse the galleries
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03:31:30rob24none of the themes in the galleries look like they would be any good for the ipod video
03:32:09pearldiverare you browsing the iriver one by any chance?
03:32:32rob24..yes XD
03:33:35rob24wow O_O fire is prity trippy
03:34:42rob24where would i find the gallery for ipods? if there is such a thing
03:35:12rob24gosh, no wounder i do so bad in scavanger hunts @_@
03:35:22rob24and spelling bees
03:36:35steveoello i got a gigabeat f40, where am i able to download games for it? =) anyone know? (also wouldnt mind pokemon)
03:37:00preglowjhMikeS: hah,yes , that
03:37:02rob24POKEMON!=P i have pokeman on my ipod video rock box =)
03:37:10preglowthe king of punctuation strikes again
03:37:31pearldiversteveo that question is not for this channel
03:37:32steveorob24 can u copy it and send it to me?
03:38:01pearldiverjust google the little buggers
03:38:26rob24how do you pm ppl in irc ?XD
03:39:06steveoclick on there name
03:39:19steveoit will appear up the top next to the channle u are in
03:41:30rob24wow some of the ipod themes r pritey trippy aswell =D
03:43:42*jhMikeS hates the gruntwork stage of this kind of stuff
03:45:33rob24Im gonna take the yankees them and put the detroit tigers on it instead becuase the yankees can lick my ***ls
03:45:39steveolove plasma now if only i could get it projected on my roof!
03:45:46rob24*yankees theam
03:46:13rob24* plays pokeman red*
03:47:18steveowhats the diffrence between red diamond and peal? any real diffrence?
03:47:33preglowtime for exquisite sleep
03:47:36kkurbjunamiconn, or someone that has an archos, does rockbox on the archos have a charging screen, or does it just sit in rockbox charging?
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03:51:31jhMikeSkkurbjun: you can navigate around and charge
03:52:05pearldiveroh tango icon set viewer icons stopped working, i wonder when that happened
03:53:26kkurbjunjhMikeS, I mean, can you turn the archos players off while charging? And what happens when a charger is initially plugged in, does it boot to rockbox?
03:54:15jhMikeSit boots to rockbox but you can't power off while charging
03:54:52kkurbjunok, great, thanks for answering that.
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04:29:42Soapon the wiki page PluginMpegplayer there is a list of free tools.
04:30:22Soapincluding ffmpeg - the one you probably want to use, and WinFF - a windows frontend for it you will probably find dead easy.
04:31:00Soapbetween building for my nano and my video - should I make clean, or just run rbconf again in the "dirty" directory and then make?
04:31:58chrisjs169i knew there was one tool that wasn't listed, ffmpeg
04:32:49Soap(it should be listed)
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04:34:09Soaphmm, perhaps I could make the WinFF paragraph about both.
04:34:37pearldiveris anybody using the tango icon set?
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04:40:06steveoi like how the movies are so small hehe u can have so many on there
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05:23:48steveojhmikes ya there?
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05:31:10jhMikeSsteveo: yep
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05:34:35PimpdaddypayneDoes anyone know the URL to install rockbox from inside of linux?
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06:05:22Pimpdaddypayneah i got it...hmm
06:05:31Pimpdaddypaynenow, how to transfer video/music? gtkpod?
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06:25:36Renohi i got a question can anybody help me and tell me how to copy gameboy games to rockbox please?
06:25:49Renoi already have the gameboy roms?
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06:29:50Renoanybody on?
06:30:19webguest03I recently downloaded and installed rockbox on my ipod color/photo to play flac and was very impressed for the most part. One thing that seemed a bit odd was my battery drained extremely fast. Is that a common occurence?
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06:38:34Akiyukidoes anyone know where to get the mplayerplugin for rockbox?
06:39:45JdGordonit comes with rockbox
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06:41:34Akiyukihmm, it's not in the plugin list
06:41:53Akiyukialso, when i click on a mpeg, the screen goes blank for a second, then returns to the file menu
06:41:55JdGordonits not a plugin....its a viewer
06:41:58pearldiveraliask hey
06:42:03JdGordonopen a .mpeg and it will run
06:42:07aliaskhey there pearldiver
06:42:32pearldiverwas just looking at the player and noticed that the tango viewer icons stopped working
06:42:56pearldiveri got the "bulb" icon for everything
06:43:37Akiyukii selected an mpeg, the screen went blank for 1-2 seconds, and it returned to the menu
06:43:49JdGordonpearldiver: is the bulb the ? icon?
06:44:06pearldiverJdGordon not really
06:44:18JdGordonok, then its not that bug back :)
06:44:33pearldiverthe other sets works perfectly
06:44:50Akiyukianyone have a test video i can try out? maybe its jut the file ihave
06:45:05pearldiverbut i was looking at tango files and couldnt find anything wrong with them
06:45:17JdGordonAkiyuki: on the wiki there is elephants dream...
06:45:38JdGordonbtw, wtf is that movie about?
06:45:39steveohmm mine plays movies fine just need to convert em 1st with winff for em to play on mine
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06:48:22steveoya a new ep of heroes finally
06:48:23*jhMikeS has a few mpeg movies that blank out and then exit and will find out what's odd about them's huge
06:48:42Akiyukii thought maybe it would be a lot smaller for testing purposes
06:48:56AkiyukijhMikeS, thats what mine does (only tried one so far)
06:49:15steveoatm i just got borat,300,jackass2 and a few eps of diffrent shows on mine
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06:50:22JdGordonjhMikeS: elephants dream did that to me also, i think its just bad corruption becausr recopying it fixed it
06:50:57pearldiveraliask any ideas?
06:51:03jhMikeSJdGordon: in that case it is, but it assumes the audio and video stream ids are 0xc0 and 0xe0 but they don't have to be
06:51:47AkiyukiSometimes, I get 'plugin error' when trying to play some games
06:51:53Akiyukipacman, for example
06:52:27jhMikeSyou need the pacman's explained in the manual on what to find
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06:54:15steveoyeah i got the roms and stuff what do i open it with?
06:54:34steveodosent want to just work lol
06:55:39jhMikeSgotta read up on's all there and explains all the steps
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06:57:27steveocan u link me? i thought i read everything
06:58:15Josiahi need some help... i just installed rockbox, followed all the instructions, shut it down after making sure it worked, and now my ipod won't come back on
06:59:15Josiahand i'm panicing a bit
07:00:42Josiahalright, nevermind... i figured it out... i just freaked when it didn't start right back up
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07:03:58jhMikeSwell, the doom and pacman folders go inside .rockbox, I don't know if that info happens to be out of date or not
07:05:18steveona that all worked i was wondering about other roms
07:05:43steveopokmon and stuff =)
07:06:07jhMikeSThose you just select in the file browser I think. I've never tried them myself.
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07:08:27steveohmm i must of done somthing wrong then
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07:37:05amiconnkkurbjun: Rockbox on the archos (except the Ondios which have no charging at all) does have a charging screen
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07:38:39amiconn*Most* archoses boot when plugging the charger. Some players do not, but I don't know about a pattern
07:39:33amiconnRockbox doesn't allow to power down while charging, because of this fact (most units would just reboot)
07:40:11amiconnIf you start by plugging in the charger, standard behaviour is to just go to the charging screen, unless car adaper mode is enabled
07:41:34amiconnThe latter does not work on the player, because checking for this option requires it to reside in some kind of real nvram (the check whether to just sit in the charging screen or boot completely must be done before initing the hdd)
07:41:44steveodoes it say when its full? other then by looking at the bar at the top?
07:42:02amiconnThe recorders have an RTC for this, but the player doesn't
07:42:31kkurbjunamiconn, so it has a specialized charging mode then, I'm guessing if you hit the power button it will do a full boot of rockbox?
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07:42:54amiconnAll this is of course only true when running rockbox from flash, because otherwise the archos firmware in ROM handles all this
07:43:40amiconnAnd not all archoses are flashable, some recorder v1s and most players aren't
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07:44:22amiconnkkurbjun: Yes, pushing the power button (ON) triggers a full boot
07:44:45kkurbjunI didn't realize that, is there a reason that a decision was made to have a charging screen rather then just fully booting rockbox?
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07:46:01amiconn(1) Iirc some people prefer it when the unit doesn't need to be fully on while charging
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07:46:38amiconnBut (2) is more important: With too low battery it's often impossible to fully boot, because powering on the hdd makes the player die
07:46:55M_M_KI have a question....I've just installed rockbox 2.5 on a Archos Jukebox 6000, and I've noticed that if I try to shut the player down with the charger plugged in, the player freezes-if I then remove the charger plug, it then shuts there a patch available?
07:46:59amiconnAnd since the recorder v1 has software controlled charging, this is a real problem
07:47:13kkurbjunI see, why do the h300's and ipods not allow the player to turn off when charging?
07:47:29kkurbjunat least the h300's have their own charging mode
07:47:43kkurbjunI don't know about the ipods
07:47:59amiconnM_M_K: Install the current build. It has that problem fixed, and a ton more fixes and improvements
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07:48:34M_M_KI d/l ed it from the rockbox site yesterday!
07:48:36kkurbjunthe reason I am curious is I have been playing around with the gigabeat and I'm looking for guidelines on what should be the expected behaviour when charging
07:48:43amiconnkkurbjun: For the exact same reason: they would reboot
07:49:01M_M_Kor did I d/l the wrong version?
07:49:36amiconnM_M_K: Yes, but you downloaded the 2.5 release which is very old by now, unfortunately
07:49:57kkurbjunok, so players should allow the device to be turned off while charging unless there is a problem (such as rebooting)
07:50:13M_M_Kwhat is the correct one-remember this is the OLD JB 6000
07:50:34amiconnPick the player build from "current builds"
07:50:34kkurbjunand if we have our own code running in the flash the ideal would be to have a charging screen unless car adapter mode is enabled
07:50:44scorchekkurbjun: can you please add yourself to the devcon-west wikipage if you ahevnt done so already?
07:50:55M_M_Kok..that's where I messed up!
07:51:04kkurbjunscorche, will do
07:51:16amiconnEven though the player family (JB 5000 / 6000 / Studio) is the oldest one supported by rockbox, development hasn't stopped
07:52:18amiconnE.g. just a month ago unicode support on the player was vastly improved (by me :) ). Now it can not only display standard latin text but also some extended latin, cyrillic and greek
07:52:51M_M_Kgood:I just ended up with a used one(WORKING)!, and frankly, the Archos f/w is lousy
07:53:09amiconnIt is. Guess why rockbox exists? :)
07:53:34M_M_KEven with the 2.5 version, I see many improvements
07:54:22M_M_Kthe one that surprised me the most, was that the audio quality actually improved
07:55:17M_M_KI can't see how, considering that the MP3 playback is in hardware
07:55:42amiconnkkurbjun: Rockbox targets fall in two (or three) categories regarding charging. (1) The target does *not* boot when plugging the charger, then rockbox should allow to shutdown as if the charger isn't connected
07:56:09amiconn(2) The target *does* boot when plugging the charger, then rockbox should block shutdown
07:56:24amiconn((3) is for the Ondios, no charging at all)
07:57:10amiconnThe iriver H1xx falls in category (1) and afaik are the only targets which do
07:57:35amiconnIriver H300, iPods and iAudio X5 and M5 definitely fall in category (2) well as archos players and recorder
07:58:27kkurbjunamiconn, and the idea would be 1 to allow for charging on an extremely low battery, correct? gigabeats have a charging screen builtin to the existing bootloader as well, unless you mess around with the patches shoora has created
07:59:07amiconnYes, but since LiPo charging is (mostly) hardware controlled it is less of a problem
07:59:59kkurbjunas you can just let it keep trying to boot until it has enough of a charge?
08:00:20amiconnOn the X5 and M5 the cowon loader handles charging when plugging the charger and the unit is off. The rockbox bootloader comes after that
08:00:51amiconnAs long as we want to keep the cowon loader and hence brick safety, this can't be changed
08:01:31kkurbjunon the x5 and m5 if you allowed the player to shutdown it wouldn't reboot to the charging screen?
08:03:01kkurbjunoh, they do allow poweroff while charging, sorry about htat
08:04:52kkurbjunamiconn, thanks for the information
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08:07:29amiconnNo, they don't
08:07:40amiconnRockbox doesn't allow to power them down while charging
08:08:09amiconnAnd if you start them by plugging in, they will show a charging screen, but it's not ours
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08:08:38kkurbjunIn the header files they #define HAVE_POWEROFF_WHILE_CHARGING
08:09:48kkurbjunI havn't updated in a bit, but its there in my tree
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08:10:39M_M_KI just installed it...still does not act right...when I select shutdown, it says battery:charging, and then it goes back to menu-and if I try to shut down again, I get an error message
08:11:22M_M_Kthe archos f/w lets me shut down with the charger in...
08:11:35kkurbjunamiconn, so if the firmware boots into a charging screen that is not our own we should not allow them to shutdown?
08:11:35amiconnIt saying battery: charging is correct. You cannot shut down the player while the charger is connected
08:11:49M_M_Kwhy not?
08:12:09amiconnThe archos firmware may allow you to "shut dowm", but not to shut down for real. It certainly goes into a charging screen then
08:12:27amiconnIt's how the hardware works
08:12:33M_M_Kit goes there, and then goes back to the menu
08:12:58steveosame with the gigabeat it will shutdown then an orange power cord comes on screen for charging
08:12:59amiconnM_M_K: I don't understand?
08:13:04M_M_Kdoes that mean that charging will take longer in that mode?
08:13:05kkurbjunhmm, I need to find where that code is, if I just include that define, (or take it out it rather) I do not get that charging popup on the gigabeat like the h300
08:14:09amiconnkkurbjun: The popup only appears on the archos player when trying to shutdown from the menu, and on recorder v1 when trying to Off-Off shutdown from menu or browser
08:14:27amiconnThat doesn't have to do with power-on behaviour, but with power-off behaviour
08:14:35M_M_Kamiconn:the archos f/w at least SEEMS to shut down properly, or is this just an issue of different screens?
08:15:41amiconnM_M_K: Note that I didn't look at the player archos firmware for ages now as I simply don't have it in flash anymore, but on (most) players it _cannot_ do a real shutdown
08:15:41M_M_KI can certainly live with this behavor, but it seems odd
08:15:42kkurbjunamiconn, I get that popup on an old build for the h300 as well. (unfortunately the hard drive mostly died and I havn't updated in a while)
08:16:12M_M_KI'm not running it in flash
08:16:22amiconnIt's a hardware limitiation. The hardware powers on when plugging the charger, and cannot be shut down while the charger is plugged
08:17:06amiconnI thought the archos fw has an own charging screen in this case
08:17:24M_M_Kso it's just a issue of what screen is showing
08:17:57M_M_Kthe archos screen only comes up if you plug in the charger with the player OFF
08:18:32M_M_Kif the player is on, then the RB charge screen comes up
08:18:34amiconnThe freeze when trying to shutdown from the menu in rockbox 2.5 was due to rockbox trying to shutdown even though it's not possible
08:18:53M_M_Kahh..that makes sense
08:19:21amiconnIf your player would be one of the very few that does allow real shutdown with the charger plugged then this would have worked instead of causing a freeze
08:21:20amiconnkkurbjun: Hmm, on the X5 rockbxo does indeed allow to shut down with the charger plugged. It causes the X5 to reboot into the cowon charging screen of course, and that causes a nasty hdd click...
08:21:22M_M_Kwell there's still a small bug:after shutting down, if you reselect shutdown, you get an error message and a freeze(which self-corrects when you unplug the charger)
08:21:38amiconnOh really?
08:21:48amiconnThat would be still a bug then
08:21:51*amiconn checks
08:22:43M_M_Kand remember, since the player goes back to the menu screen, you can't tell easily if it was shutdown or not
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08:23:08M_M_Kit's not a major deal though
08:23:10amiconnHuh? Of course you can. If it's shut down, nothing is displayed
08:23:37amiconnThe green led will also tell you, since it's hardwired
08:23:43M_M_Kno, remember you can't shut down while charging
08:23:54M_M_Kso the light is on either way
08:24:23*amiconn doesn't understand?
08:24:29amiconn[08:22:42] <M_M_K> and remember, since the player goes back to the menu screen, you can't tell easily if it was shutdown or not
08:24:42amiconnIf it was shut down, it doesn't go back to the menu...
08:24:55M_M_Kbut the battery charging screen goes away in a few seconds, to be replaced by the menu
08:25:30kkurbjunthat's interesting, there's code to set the charging_input_state for the H300's battery, but all the rest that have charging don't show the splash, or appear to have the ability to go to the CHARGER state
08:25:32M_M_Kagain, you AGREED that the player can't be fully shutdown in charging mode
08:25:37amiconnThe battery charging is just a splash telling you why it isn't possible to shut down atm
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08:26:05M_M_Kthat's not what i'm seeing
08:26:08amiconnIt's not a screen of its own (even though it may look like it on the player)
08:26:34amiconnYOu said you see battery: charging pop up and then go back to the menu after 2 seconds. That's like it should be
08:26:55kkurbjunline 937 in powermgmt.c has the code for the H300 battery to put it in the CHARGER state
08:27:19amiconnThis "battery: charging" is *not* rockbox's charging screen. The latter can only appear when you have rockbox in flash
08:28:35M_M_Kok, but at that point, if you forget if you shut the unit down, and try to shut it again-it crashes.
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08:29:10amiconnM_M_K: It doesn't do this here if you wait long enough between tries, but I get a CPUAdrErr when trying too early...
08:29:14kkurbjunnevermind, found the code that sets the charger state elsewhere
08:29:31amiconnDidn't notice before; this is a bug...
08:29:38M_M_Kand the RB shutdown screen IS slightly different than the Archos one, even if not in flash
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08:30:07amiconnI talked about the charging screen, not shutdown
08:30:36M_M_KI'm talking about the charging screen
08:31:07amiconnYes, but you say that you're not running rockbox from flash, hence you can't know rockbox's charging screen
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08:32:15M_M_Kthe 2 are defferent(the archos one is slightly different than the RB one)
08:32:56M_M_Kthe flash one might be different than either of the above though
08:34:22M_M_Kfirst of all, the archos charging screen is in all caps, the rb one is mixed case, also the rb one has a : in it
08:36:06M_M_Kalso, I've noticed that in the charge mode, if you then pull the charger plug, it still crashes if you try to shut it down
08:36:27amiconnAgain, "Battery: charging" is _not_ the charging screen, it's the charging splash that is just meant to tell you why shutdown can't be performed atm
08:37:07M_M_KI understand that
08:37:14amiconnThat's why it goes away after 2 seconds
08:37:52M_M_Kbut why the crash if I unplug the charger and then try to shut it down?
08:38:37M_M_Kor do I just have to wait longer
08:38:55amiconnIt doesn't have to do with whether you unplug the charger or not. It also crashes if you try to shutdown repeatedly and don't wait long enough between tries
08:38:56M_M_Kif so, still a minor bug
08:39:06amiconn[08:29:09] <amiconn> M_M_K: It doesn't do this here if you wait long enough between tries, but I get a CPUAdrErr when trying too early...
08:39:12amiconn[08:29:30] <amiconn> Didn't notice before; this is a bug...
08:40:40steveoevery time i try play say... pokemon i get not enough memory msg
08:40:44steveowhat am i doing wrong?
08:40:45M_M_Kok I just shut the unit down(well not really)with the charger in...I then unplugged the charger, the unit remained on
08:40:59kkurbjunsteveo, are you on the gigabeat?
08:41:09kkurbjunstop playback
08:41:33kkurbjunhit power once to take you to the wps screen
08:41:36kkurbjunand then hit A
08:41:46amiconnM_M_K: That's also correct
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08:42:08amiconnThe unit will only shutdown if you do it with the charger unplugged
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08:42:35M_M_Kso how should I shutdown in this case?
08:42:38amiconnOtherwise it *just tells you* that it can't shut down and continues to function as normal
08:42:50amiconnYou shut down *after* unplugging the charger
08:43:21M_M_Kso it can't sense the charger being unplugged
08:43:44amiconnIt can, and does, for powermanagement
08:43:55steveokkurbjun didnt work
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08:44:09amiconnBut why should it shut down immediately after unplugging? That doesn't make sense...
08:44:32M_M_Kthe archos f/w does
08:44:34steveostill getting not enough memory
08:44:47kkurbjunand music is not playing correct?
08:44:53B4gderM_M_K: we don't care much what the original firmware does you know...
08:45:11B4gderwe want Rockbox to act sensible on its own
08:45:13M_M_K(remember that I tried to shut down)
08:45:21B4gderyes, but you couldn't
08:45:27B4gderthen perhaps you continue to listen to music
08:45:29M_M_Kok I understand that
08:45:31amiconnThen the archos firmware probably goes into it's charging *screen*. Rockbox does not, as I already explained several times
08:45:31B4gderand later pull the charger
08:45:38B4gderwhy would it then shutdown?
08:46:04steveoand then if i try one of the others i get "unknown sram size (some numbers)"
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08:46:14steveono music playing
08:46:28amiconnSInce the hardware can't be shut down for real, rockbox just tells you that it can't and allows you to continue using it like normal
08:47:18M_M_Kok, so it does not, what is the correct way to shut down after doing the above(pulling the charger plug after doing the rb "shutdown" mode without crashing it
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08:48:00M_M_KI understand that I'm better off unplugging the unit and then shutting down
08:48:17amiconnJust unplug and choose "Shutdown" from the menu...
08:49:15amiconnIt doesn't crash as long as you wait a little bit after the first splash (from trying to shutdown with the charger plugged) disappeared...
08:49:32amiconnA little bit means half a second or so...
08:49:34M_M_Kok..the last time I tried that, it worked this time-I guess I did not wait long enough before
08:49:55M_M_KI waited longer than that, I think
08:50:22M_M_Kbut it's clearer now
08:50:30kkurbjunsteveo, it sounds like you have bad rom files, invalid sram size means that either the header for your rom is messed up or it is a really unique game, how big are the files that you are trying to load?
08:50:32*amiconn wonders why it crashes... and where. The crash address displayed is within the UIEn block itself...
08:51:58M_M_Keither way, now that I understand the behaviour, I can avoid the conditions that cause it
08:53:17amiconnIt's in the menu code...
08:53:59steveoones 65mb another 15mb and so on
08:54:25kkurbjunthose don't sound like gameboy/gameboy color game sizes
08:54:44kkurbjunI've never seen a game larger then a couple of megs
08:54:52kkurbjunand 65 megs won't load on your player
08:54:57kkurbjunon any player
08:55:15steveointeresting hmm
08:56:11kkurbjunlargest file I have is a gameboy color game and that is 4 MB
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08:59:22steveolol there we go got a gameboy one to work now i got to find a gb colour one
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09:09:57M_M_Kthanks for the info!
09:10:05M_M_Klater all
09:10:21amiconnIt crashes when holding Play on that menu item for too long
09:10:36amiconn...independently on whether the charger is plugged or not
09:10:47amiconnCould you verify this?
09:11:12M_M_Kon which menu item−−shutdown?
09:11:27M_M_Kok just a sec
09:11:49M_M_Kyep that does it
09:11:54amiconnYou're (normally) supposed to do a short press on the menu item. With a long press it crashes here
09:12:17amiconnOkay, so I can reproduce it reliably
09:12:34amiconnNow I "just" have to find out why it does that, and fix it..
09:12:43M_M_Ksounds good!
09:13:07*amiconn has a suspicion
09:13:13amiconnJdGordon: around?
09:13:21M_M_Kyep, if you just press it, it works ok
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09:15:05M_M_Kbut I suspect that other related issues might cause it too(but the easiest way to find out, is to fix the reproduceable part, and see if any other issues remain)
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09:17:18M_M_KA different question:how does RB manage to improve the sound of the JB6000-I thought that most of the decoding and audio was in hardware
09:17:52M_M_KIt certainly does it, just wondering how?
09:18:09JdGordonamiconn: hey
09:18:45amiconnJdGordon: There seems to be something wrong in the menu code, probably related to the context-menu-on-menuitem thing
09:19:01JdGordonhmm... oh?
09:19:06amiconnOn the Player, the shutdown item makes rockbox crash when holding Play on it...
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09:19:22amiconn(crash with CPUAdrErr that is)
09:19:42steveogba work? or only gb and gbc?
09:19:53kkurbjunonly gc and gbc
09:20:09kkurbjunsorry, gb
09:20:44JdGordonamiconn: ok, ill have a look later.. heading out for a bit
09:23:05M_M_K A different question:how does RB manage to improve the sound of the JB6000-I thought that most of the decoding and audio was in hardware
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09:23:20M_M_KIt certainly does it, just wondering how?
09:24:26B4gderM_M_K: its not about the actual decoding
09:24:33B4gderbut more about how RB speaks with (other) hw
09:24:41amiconnWell, on the recorder it's even more obvious. Somehow the archos recorder firmware manages to create a very audible background noise
09:24:50amiconnThat doesn't happen in rockbox
09:25:21steveook cool gbc work hard to find em tho unless some of u know some sites =o hehe
09:25:28steveoi only got 3 games
09:27:27M_M_Kok, I was surprised, because I thought that h/w mods were needed to improve the 6000 audio
09:28:22M_M_Kin any case, rb is quite an impressive piece of work
09:29:54steveoim very happy with it, kicks ass compared to the shit my gigabeat came with
09:30:52M_M_KI'm talking about a OLD unit, the archos jukebox 6000
09:31:21M_M_Kthat was their 1'st gen HD-based unit
09:31:35M_M_Kand the warts DO show!
09:31:43B4gderthe first target Rockbox ran on
09:31:55LinusNM_M_K: well, the oldest 6000 units did benefit from a capacitor change to enhance the bass response
09:32:08M_M_Kand archos stopped updating the f/w in 2002
09:32:23LinusNcan't really blame them :-)
09:32:39M_M_Klinusn, how do I know if my unit was one of the units you mention?
09:32:44B4gdermy favourite archos flaw is their playlist handling
09:32:56LinusNM_M_K: not really sure
09:32:58B4gderhow loading a 999 song list could take several minutes
09:33:33*linuxstb_ likes the entry he read in one of the Archos firmware changelogs - "display timer icon during track changes"...
09:33:36LinusNB4gder: and how the auto-poweroff kicked in before it was done :-)
09:33:46M_M_KLinusn, the unit DOES seem base-weak, but it actually seems better in rb
09:33:55B4gderLinusN: ah yes, I had forgot that beauty
09:34:11scorcheB4gder: bah...i keep fergetting to look at why rockbox is so much slower than the original firmware when changing songs..
09:34:16LinusNB4gder: they fixed that later, iirc
09:34:45LinusNscorche: which target?
09:35:00scorcheLinusN: well, tested on the v1
09:35:45scorcheit seems to be longer on folders that have more files in them
09:35:49LinusNscorche: it all depends on if the next track is buffered or not
09:36:10M_M_KI think I've been there already, but thanks
09:36:44scorcheLinusN: i know...but it makes me wonder how the original firmware buffers in order to have near-instantaneous track changing when rockbox takes 5 seconds
09:37:08scorche(i didnt observe this, as i have my files organized....this was on my dad's device)
09:37:19scorchebut i tested on mine, and it acted the same
09:37:53LinusNscorche: rockbox is rather conservative when it comes to buffering, so it doesn't start playback until there is a fair amount of mp3 data in the buffer
09:38:13M_M_Kyep, I've been there-frankly, it's not so bad that it's worth me modding it
09:38:37M_M_K(my tech skills are up to it though)
09:41:43scorcheLinusN: alright...makes sense...however, why is it *so* conservative so as to take over 5 seconds at times; it seems that something like that should be tuned down a bit
09:42:06LinusNi don't really remember
09:42:38LinusNand i can imagine that fragmentation can make it slower to find the file on disk
09:43:34scorchealso, that doesnt really explain why it isnt noticeable when there few files in the folder, but is extremely noticeable on folders with a ton of files in it...does that not imply that something could be done faster when rockbox "finds" the files to play?
09:43:36LinusNone possible optimization could be to open the next file speculatively
09:43:55scorchefragmentation wasnt really an issue, as i tested on mine as well and got the same results
09:44:08LinusNscorche: on the contrary, that explains perfectly well why it takes longer to find some files
09:44:28LinusNa long directory takes longer to search than a short one
09:44:59scorcheyes, but does that mean that the archos firmware is faster at that as well?
09:45:16LinusNperhaps it caches the directory better?
09:45:45*scorche wishes he could just open up the OF's source
09:46:10LinusNi honestly don't care what the OF does
09:46:28LinusNprofile the rockbox code and make it faster
09:46:53*scorche adds that to the list
09:47:10LinusNmy guess is that open() takes a long time to find the file
09:47:34LinusNespecially if the directories are big and the path had many levels
09:47:36scorchei really dont care either...just when it shows something like that, it seems to indicate they are doing something right that we arent
09:47:56scorcheso how would i make open() faster?
09:48:06LinusNor similar
09:48:17scorcheon devices with that amount of ram?
09:48:40linuxstb_LinusN: What about your suggestion 5 minutes ago to call open() speculatively?
09:48:41LinusNfor example, you could open() the next track speculatively
09:49:11B4gderbut i guess disk spin-up time etc still applies
09:49:17LinusNof course
09:49:42B4gderand a powered-off disk easily take 3 seconds
09:49:57LinusNbut i am pretty sure that archos has the same problem at times, and not all track changes are instant
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09:50:22scorcheof course, but the thing is, the OF doesnt take near as long as rockbox does, which means something can be done to better it
09:50:23LinusNthere is one issue with rockbox that gives the impression that rockbox is slower
09:50:57LinusNand that is that rockbox doesn't react on the button press until the next track starts playing, i.e it keeps playing the current track
09:51:08LinusNwhich gives a really sluggish impression
09:52:02scorchei am not talking about impressions though...this is a timed fact
09:53:02LinusNi once put a lot of effort in starting the playback as soon as possible on track changes
09:53:10LinusNbut the code has changed a lot since then
09:53:35LinusNthat was back in the days when i was the playback code ninja
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09:55:21scorcheshould i bring it up with our newer playback ninjas for hints on improving?
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10:09:50markunLinusN: someone kept posting false info on the Gigabeat wikipedia page, and now it turned out the info on the official australian Gigabeat page from Toshiba has the same false claims..
10:10:26LinusNhow lame
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10:20:33markunLinusN, B4gder:
10:24:45Topy44could it be that the X5's "subpack" is total crap and defective by default?
10:24:48Topy44<== annoyed
10:25:42Topy44because the line in's right channel only works if i move the subpack to the total right, while the usb port only works properly if i move it to the total left
10:25:59Topy44and the X5 and subpack are only about 2 weeks old and barely used
10:26:31Topy44if the subpack is not in the EXACTLY correct position, it will show "connected" for 2 seconds and then display "OK to disconnect"
10:27:07B4gdermine has never acted that way
10:27:52B4gderbut I've never used line-in on it either
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10:28:47Topy44well, i mainly got mine for recording
10:29:24Topy44anyway, i got myself a badge of matching connectors from
10:29:24Topy44so i will make a custom line-in cable and meaby a subpack-replacement
10:29:29Topy44the connectors fit much more tightly and they have snap in clamps
10:29:55Topy44at 2,50 euros each well worth doing
10:31:25Topy44btw, i am getting weird noises on my recordings, probably due to harddisk access...
10:31:30Topy44quite annoying really
10:32:01Topy44not from the mics (they are far away and the room volume is far to high to record the disk)
10:32:08Topy44but probably electronic interference
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10:32:43Topy44probably caused by the DAC of the X5
10:32:58Topy44i wonder if there is some way to avoid that...
10:35:07peturTopy44: you should have gotten yourself an h3x0 or h1x0 (if you could find them) - no subpack and very nice recordings to be made ;)
10:37:38Topy44yes, i figured that out by now... but alltogether, i AM quite happy with the X5
10:37:59Topy44besides, there is no way returning it as i dented it the first day i got it....... :(
10:38:35peturat least you got rockbox on it ;)
10:38:37Topy44the subpack should no longer be a problem after i made a custom cable
10:38:48Topy44hehe, well, the original firmware is not bad actually imho
10:39:04Topy44but luckily dualboot is working fine
10:39:09peturh3x0 firmware sucks for recording
10:39:22peturwhich is how I ended up here ;)
10:40:11Topy44i had serious trouble recording with rockbox when i recorded an entire festival...
10:40:47peturlong ago?
10:40:47Topy44there were several "warning:00000002" errors, but i didnt know what was happening so i just let it continue
10:40:50Topy44it turned out it corrupted the FAT, lost several hours of recordings and overwritten most of the old hd content
10:40:55Topy44about 2-3 weeks
10:41:01Topy44just after i got my x5
10:41:14Topy44i rescued most of the recordings the hardcore way:
10:41:17Topy44made a disk image
10:41:24Topy44split it into 2gb chunks
10:41:32Topy44and opened them as raw files in wavelab
10:41:42amiconnTopy44: The X5 OF only records to mp3 afaik
10:41:43Topy44and then cutting together the recordings sample by sample
10:41:49Topy44amiconn, correct
10:41:57Topy44which is why i used rockbox for recording
10:42:10Topy44(and because the gain indicator of the OF sucks)
10:42:23peturseems jhMikeS still has some bug lurking in there
10:42:57Topy44but then again, recording to mp3 reduces hd write intervals, reducing my problems with access noise... and 320kbit mp3 really doesnt sound that bad
10:43:13amiconnLinusN: I think the archoses should pause playback as soon as you press skip and the new track isn't buffered, like the swocdec engine does
10:43:18Topy44anyway, i wasnt able to reproduce the bug
10:43:28Topy44it only happened at that HUGE 2-day recording session
10:43:33amiconnAnother reason for unification...
10:43:45Topy44i recorded like 25 hours or so in 2 days
10:44:17peturwell it shouldn't have happened...
10:44:40Topy44true, but as said, i could not reproduce the bug, so i have no clue where to start...
10:44:55Topy44but as a fact, the recording code on the x5 is not entirely stable yet
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10:46:37peturstrange, because jhMikeS always takes his x5 as an example of how well it works ;)
10:46:58peturworks perfectly on my h380 since his last (big) bugfix
10:46:58Topy44hm :)
10:47:21Topy44i wonder if he has had the same problems with the hd access noise... couldnt find anything on the net about it
10:47:34Topy44occures with the OF aswell, so it seems to be a hw problem
10:47:54peturhmmmm I haven't done any big recordings during the last 2-3 weeks.....
10:48:22Topy44i will do a test recording in the next days, just recording from a line signal for as long as the battery lasts
10:48:28amiconnhdd noise in a line-in recording is due to bad shielding/grounding, so nothing fixable in firmware
10:48:40amiconnIt often varies across individual units
10:49:03Topy44amiconn, yes, i expected that... i wonder if its fixable (lets say by using shielded cables from the line in to the DAC)
10:49:53Topy44i AM willing to open and mod my X5L if i had a clue what EXACTLY causes the problem
10:49:53Topy44i will post a sample of the noise later
10:50:15Topy44its really just a problem when compressing/normalizing the signal, its quite faint normally
10:50:48Topy44but at concerts where i cannot access the recorder during the concert i'd rather stay on the safe side with gain settings and normalize it afterwards
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10:53:51*petur thinks jhMikeS is emptying the bottle
10:55:29Topy44hm, he will ask me a lot of nasty questions to prove that its my own fault now... :)
10:55:37Topy44or rather ":("
10:57:21jhMikeSwell, I do have to know 1) Recording enhancements pack? 2) What format? 3) Would the files have reached the 2GB mark?
10:59:27Topy441) no REP (didnt know about it yet), it was the current build from about 3 weeks ago
10:59:34Topy442) uncompressed wave
10:59:49*amiconn wonders what the recording "enhancements" pack actually claims to enhance
11:00:06Topy443) yes, regularly, i did not set it to split files, so it just split at the 2gb fat32 limit
11:00:09peturamiconn: only gui enhancements now
11:00:14*jhMikeS also wonders how recording could ever do anything to corrupt the FAT just using the regular old file apis
11:00:39Topy44and 4), it reached the end of free space (disk was full)
11:00:43jhMikeSit should split a little earlier than that
11:00:44Topy44but continued recording
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11:00:51peturamiconn: 1) larger peakmeters 2) level histogram 3) big rec/pauze indicator
11:01:42peturamiconn: I'm going to commit (1) probably because that's why most people use REP
11:01:42Topy44petur, except that the histogram sadly doesnt work on the x5
11:01:42Topy44(i'd love having a simple spectrum in the recording screen btw)
11:01:42petur(3) would be nice to have too
11:02:07peturhahaha 'simple spectrum'
11:02:23Topy44as in, "no need for 9090234 channels" :)
11:02:37jhMikeSTopy44: Then the write() should have returned an error which would stop it
11:02:37jhMikeSif it didn't something's rotten somewhere
11:02:56pixelmapetur: with a 12-point font I find the peakmeters quite large already...
11:03:04Topy44jhMikeS, it never stopped
11:03:18amiconnpixelma: Recording screen...
11:03:41Topy44i didnt realize the space was used up until after the festival
11:03:41Topy44it wrote data all over the place, overwriting most mp3s and even some of the rockbox files
11:03:54*amiconn thinks the correct enhancement would be to make the recording screen use the UI font
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11:04:16*petur whinks it would be better to have a WRS :)
11:04:18Topy44btw, is there any way to manually reset the clipping indicators?
11:04:26B4gderor perhaps make Rockbox capable of using different fonts in different places! ;-O
11:04:48Topy44argh. :)
11:05:06jhMikeSpetur: think recording peaks should actually examine all samples instead of skipping? I think the load from it could hardly be considered a load given that the DSP can run during playback and all that is way more CPU instensive.
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11:05:12steveocan it have diffrent colour text?
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11:05:28steveomy background makes it hard to see the text =o
11:05:42B4gderyou can change the text color, yes
11:05:50peturjhMikeS: eh... doesn't it sample all peaks now?
11:06:02Topy44in general, the recording screen is pretty damn ugly :) but i dont care much for eye candy, so it suits me
11:06:03jhMikeSpetur: no, it samples every 4th
11:06:18peturjhMikeS: yuck - when did that change?
11:06:51Topy44jhMikeS, do you get the noises i mentioned earlier with your x5?
11:06:56amiconnFor playback checking every sample would be overkill imo
11:07:05jhMikeSwell, when I did it for coldfire, before it sampled every 3rd. I ask cause I know the recording peaks aren't eyecandy at all.
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11:07:14Topy44(a high frequency noise for about 5 seconds every X minutes, probably when accessing the harddisk)
11:07:35jhMikeSTopy44: no, it's very quiet on mine
11:07:37peturjhMikeS: making it process every sample for peakmeter was a fix I once did (recording only!)
11:08:01Topy44hm... i'll isolate the noise now.
11:08:27pixelmahumm? The peakmeters in the recording screen is large (though the rest is using the default font) - it's bigger than in the wps where it is dependent on the user font
11:08:27jhMikeSpetur: well, it was unfixed I think by the time I saw it.
11:08:33steveob4gder where? i was looking through and couldnt find it
11:08:43pixelma(on the M5)
11:10:16jhMikeSguess that came in from adding toni1's patch and I never looked at the original
11:11:59Topy44found the noise, uploading now
11:12:06jhMikeSpetur: I reckon for coldfire that mac.w should do the squaring and channel separation real fast so a nice asm implementation is in order there
11:12:37Topy44i am not actually sure it happens with the OF... i cannot find it anywhere right now, i thought i heard it before but i did not use the OF for recording much yet <== first the original, then again normalized (so its more audible)
11:16:07Topy44(recorded using the rockbox build from about 3 weeks ago, uncompressed wave, during the soundcheck of a band, using external mics)
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11:16:48Topy44has anyone heard such noise before?
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11:17:17*jhMikeS wonders if a bug could exist in the FAT code that only recording does enough writing to show ... hrmm ... *takes another shot*
11:17:44Topy44jhMikeS, i will try something myself... i have the feeling it might be connected to writing to a full disk
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11:18:05Topy44that it doesnt stop correctly
11:18:28Topy44but first i need to fill up the disk with stuff, which might take several hours :)
11:19:00Topy44ah btw:
11:19:20Topy44after all that i repartitioned and reformated the disk
11:19:33jhMikeSTopy44: Writing to a full disk should fail, no? That's the bugger...and recording will stop if it's told there's a write failure. I will examine that again anyway.
11:20:49Topy44as said, in my case it never failed even though the disk was clearly full
11:20:59Topy44there where about 10gb free, and i recorded more than 20 hours :)
11:20:59Topy44and at a concert the following weekend i started the recording using rockbox again
11:21:21amiconnJdGordon: around?
11:21:37Topy44about 30 minutes before the concert started
11:21:37Topy44when i went checking that everything is ok during the soundcheck, rockbox gave me another "warning:00000002" error
11:21:46jhMikeSOdd thing is too that other's having full disks do report "Disk Full" at least on iRivers
11:21:47Topy44i didnt want to risk anything, so i decided to load the OF and record with it instead
11:22:35Topy44this time, the disk was empty and the partition brand new
11:22:52Topy44what exactly does that warning 2 mean?
11:23:02Topy44i read something about a write error somewhere?
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11:25:54peturTopy44: a buffer overrun (iirc)
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11:29:44jhMikeSencoder buffer overrun
11:29:44jhMikeSif it just can't write fast enough anymore because it's having trouble finding sectors, not much the software can do really since the data rate is fixed
11:30:18Topy44hm, sounds strange to me that this could happen with a brand-new partition
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11:31:09LinusNvery often the problem is that the user thinks he has deleted the files, while they still remain in the recycle bin, taking up all space
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11:32:05GodEaterrecycle bin = suckage
11:32:12LinusNi blame windows for that
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11:33:14Topy44LinusN, rePARTITIONED
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11:33:28Topy44besides, i deactivated the recicle bin for the X5
11:34:00LinusNanother problem might be a very small cluster size
11:34:21Topy44umh, a few days ago someone told me a link to the subpack connector pinout
11:34:28Topy44(in the rockbox wiki)
11:34:31Topy44cant find it atm
11:35:04Topy44ah, thx
11:35:21jhMikeSyeah, I hear that one a good bit
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11:42:41JdGordonamiconn: hey, back
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11:46:24Topy44[11:35] <jhMikeS> yeah, I hear that one a good bit <== what where you talking about?
11:46:54amiconnJdGordon: I can't quite folow the root menu stuff, it looks rather complex
11:47:19amiconnBut I i_think_ I know where things go wrong with the shutdown item and its context
11:47:44amiconnThe problem is that the conext stuff uses .value for determining which context menu to call
11:48:06amiconnBut the shutdown item is a MENUITEM_FUNCTION which doesn't specify a value..
11:48:32JdGordonno, because it checks the flag first
11:48:45JdGordonif (root_menu__[selection]->flags&MT_RETURN_VALUE)
11:49:03JdGordonwhich would fail, unless selection is being set to the wrong value
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11:49:58jhMikeSTopy44: About the recycle bin being ummm...not quite empty :)
11:51:05amiconnI don't know how to fix it though, but the sim also misbehaves
11:51:31JdGordonok, just trying to get my server back up... then ill check this out
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11:53:24amiconnFor some reason the sim manages to start a second instance of itself, with the wrong currentdir so it complains about incomplete installation
11:57:16Topy44woaha... those subpack connectors are a BITCH to solder
12:00:32cropJdGordon: are you aware of the fact that playlist_viewer still uses the old menu API? This should be a red cape for you :-)
12:01:25amiconnJdGordon: (root_menu__[selection]->flags&MT_RETURN_VALUE) evaluates to true for the shutdown item for some reason...
12:01:59amiconnAnd value then is 4420924 which causes it to segfault under gdb control
12:02:13jhMikeSok, a 14 instruction record peaks loop should do ok
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12:10:45cropamiconn: that's a clear case. MT_xxx values are just defined as enum, so RTURN_ID is 4 and RETURN_VALUE is 5. These values shouldn't be tested with & IMHO
12:16:32cropamiconn: I think it should be "(root_menu__[i]->flags&MENU_TYPE_MASK) == MT_RETURN_VALUE" instead
12:20:06amiconnThis bug exists in more than one place in root_menu.c then...
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12:26:52steveoso how i change my text colour?
12:26:54cropamiconn: do you also think that this is a bug? I think it is since checks of the type (x&FLAG) are usually made with bit flags, i.e. values that have disjoint bits (1, 2, 4, 8 etc)
12:30:43Topy44so, just finished my custom line in cable. plug from, heavy duty audio cable and a neutrik minijack plug
12:31:19Topy44and the subpack connector is a locking one
12:31:48Topy44matches the rest of my equipment a little better than the subpack connected to some cheapo chinese minijack-to-minijack cable
12:35:33JdGordoncrap... crop's correct, wonder how that lasted so long without failing :'(
12:37:59cropamiconn: but I've spotted only one place
12:38:36JdGordonits in 2 places in root_menu.c...
12:38:43JdGordonit should be correct in the rest of the code
12:39:04*JdGordon blames this on linuxstb (who happens to be convieniently not here :)
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12:39:56cropJdGordon: a macro for that?
12:40:39JdGordonno... just that code was done at some rediculous hour when i should have been sleeping instead of fulfilling obscure feature requests
12:40:44JdGordoncommiting the fix
12:41:25cropJdGordon: I mean a macro that could be used as MENU_TYPE(menu) == MT_RETURN_VALUE
12:41:45JdGordonI think ill lose my access rights if I add any more macros :D
12:42:09cropJdGordon: then make it a function
12:42:25JdGordonno need... just remember to use it correctly
12:42:27Topy44does anyone know the specific reason why the REP's histogram does not work on x5?
12:42:36cropJdGordon: if it's repeated in many places it should be a macro or a func
12:42:53JdGordoncrop: and I am indeed aware that not all menus are using the new api yet.. feel free to submit a patch....
12:43:12JdGordonit really should only be used in menu.c...
12:43:19JdGordonroot_menu.c uses it in a hacky way
12:43:23cropJdGordon: ok, I thought the old API were only in plugins
12:43:28Topy44(meaby because it came with the AGC which does not work?)
12:43:50cropJdGordon: ...which was the reason to keep it
12:44:18JdGordonno, the semi-long term plan is remove the api, or at least move it to the plugin lib instead of the core
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12:48:07JdGordonhmm.. both menus in playlist_viewer.c should have been converted by now.. they dont do anything difficult
12:48:12JdGordonmight try getting to that tonight
12:48:20JdGordonunless someone submits a patch... :D
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12:49:01cropJdGordon: how can I tell if there is a current playlist? I.e. if the playback can be resumed? There is a bug report and a (wrong?) fix.
12:49:15JdGordonI saw.... its not so simple
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12:49:48JdGordonif there is resume info then the playlist should load and not start playback... but that will stall the gui for a sec or two (i tinhk)
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12:52:53cropJdGordon: but that would still be better than when just absolutely nothing happens
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12:53:51JdGordonpossibly.. I havnt looked into possible fixes yet
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12:54:40JdGordonthe code in root_menu.c to start the wps would probably do... jsut need to make sure the playback does not start when you enter the viewer
12:54:55JdGordonand you still need to put up a message if there is no playlist and no resume info
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12:59:33PaulJamJdGordon: wouldn't it be possible to just not show the entry if no resume info is available?
13:00:15cropJdGordon: sure. The message should remain. Just the condition must change. But IMHO the patch is still better than what's currently in SVN.
13:00:49cropPaulJam: that's not a good solution IMHO since the user would be disappointed
13:01:42JdGordonPaulJam: yeah, thats one solution... still doesnt solve the problem where there is no playback, but a resume info..
13:02:04JdGordoni _think_ calling if (playlist_resume() != -1) in playlist_viewer would be enough to get it working
13:03:54PaulJamcrop: why would he be disappointed? <== so, all thats left to do now is to replace the korg plug's cables with better quality ones...
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13:05:23pixelmaPaulJam: also it was agreed on that we shouldn't have such dynamic menu entries (even though this isn't entirely true for the bookmarks feature for some reason)
13:05:39crop b/c he's used to see that entry and sometimes it's not there. And the reason is not very obviuos.
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13:06:23PaulJampixelma: ah, i didn't know that.
13:08:17amiconnDynamic items are especially problematic for blind users
13:13:10LinusNi suggest we make the bookmark menu item static
13:14:37JdGordonnooo.... please no.. :'(
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13:16:32cropLinusN: I'd agree if it were moved near bottom
13:17:18LinusNcrop: those who often use bookmarks probably don't agree with you
13:18:06JdGordonyeah, bookmarks has to stay at the top
13:18:20cropLinusN: and those who often use files? Someone will always lose.
13:18:31LinusNcrop: exactly my point
13:19:02cropLinusN: but files are a "more core" feature since RB is file based
13:19:18LinusNand bookmarks aren't?
13:19:39JdGordonwhich is why they should stay hidden if you dont use them
13:20:16LinusNi think all menu items should be visible, for two reasons: consistency (think: manual) and blind navigation
13:20:24PaulJamwhat is the problem with having the bookmark item dynamic. i mean either you use recent bookmarks or you don't. it's not something that regularly changes.
13:20:37cropLinusN: IIRC there was a patch that allows to reorder the items in the root menu, what was decided about it?
13:20:54LinusNcrop: i guess it was shot down
13:21:39LinusNby me, among others
13:21:39preglowwas indeed
13:22:00cropLinusN: because RB doesn't like dynamic menus? Hrm... the patch wouldn't really introduce dynamics, just reordering IIRC
13:22:16preglowi just think we shouldn't go there
13:22:22pixelmaIMHO bookmarks should be static - especially since it's off by default, some users who would like the feature never saw it (and it confused me when starting "fesh" and it wasn't there)
13:22:34LinusNanyone who has ever used recent versions of microsoft office knows about the frustration with hidden menu entries
13:22:43pixelmashould be there I mean
13:23:49pixelmaand it confused me even though I don't use it - just tried bookmarks out a very few times
13:23:56croppreglow: but if had such a feature we wouldn't talk about what should be on the top of the main menu :-)
13:24:33LinusNcrop: no, we would be talking about how to extend this feature to all other menus
13:24:46LinusNand we would respond to user bug reports
13:24:55cropLinusN: that too, yes :-)))
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13:25:18LinusNand we don't want to go there
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13:27:16preglowjust make peace with the way the menus are or do a custom patch
13:27:19cropLinusN: btw: what's bad in extending it to other menus? ;-) I mean just reordering items in existing menus, not pulling entries around
13:27:24preglowif we were to make everything in rockbox customisable, it would be hell
13:28:09preglowboth in terms of code size, code complexity and support
13:28:48JdGordonsort of on this line of thought though.... would anyone majorly object to changing the quickmenu to a proper menu where the user could choose which settings to put there?
13:28:50B4gderand we'd probably have to waste more memory
13:30:02LinusNJdGordon: then the quick menu wouldn't be quick, would it?
13:30:07cropJdGordon: what??? Dynamic menu?? No, no! Context menus do quite well IMO
13:30:26JdGordonis it quick though now? its got 3 settings which imo are not that usefull there anyway
13:31:04LinusNbut if you change it into a regular menu, you wouldn'
13:31:13cropB4gder: why? Menu entries could be reordered once at startup. This wouldn't consume memory after initializing.
13:31:16LinusNt be able to change the settings from within the screen
13:31:39JdGordonLinusN: you mean blindly? well thats true...
13:31:40LinusNcrop: and where do you think the code that does this resides?
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13:33:09peturTopy44: AGC doesn't work on X5? Or it's not enabled in the build? I wonder what the reason was - I thought there was something, but what
13:33:13JdGordonoh joy... gui_syncsplash is refusing to run!
13:33:32amiconnpetur: To remind you - agc cannot for for internal mic on X5
13:33:32cropLinusN: hrm... He-he. In a plugin? This couldb e a very special plugin.
13:33:35Topy44petur, its not enabled because the x5 has only 30 or so gail levels
13:33:51peturah right, that was it
13:33:51amiconnFor line in it would be possible
13:34:05Topy44even though i think it should stay enabled, just with a warning
13:34:27Topy44because 30 levels are sortof ok, and AGC is a really useful feature for unattended live recordings
13:35:02peturindeed it is - the AGC-safety thing I mean
13:35:02Topy44still, that does not explain why the histogram doesnt work - meaby because acg is disabled? the histogram is displayed, but it stays empty
13:35:54Topy44i wonder if those 30 steps are spread out linear or log
13:36:16JdGordonB4gder: still not got the build script working 100% ?
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13:37:24B4gderI doubt it ever was "100%" ...
13:38:06Topy44does anyone know where exactly AGC would be disabled? i would like to try tinkering around with it
13:38:27Topy44(i havent really looked at the build scripts)
13:38:37JdGordonondio fm build has gone awol
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13:39:17peturTopy44: in the config-xxx.h file
13:39:30Topy44ok i'll look at it
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13:41:07Nico_Pamiconn: I have a patch for some of the things we discussed yesterday... care to have a look ?
13:43:55JdGordonhmm... seems the playlist viewer doesnt like haveing playback stopped...
13:44:04AkiyukiSilly question, but say I am in the Database, and I click on Genre, how do I backup to the previous menu to chose say, Artist, or something else?
13:44:18JdGordonpress left
13:45:34AkiyukiPressing left doesn't do anything. :(
13:46:59cropJdGordon: exactly. Playlist viewer checks something different from what the main menu does when it comes to resume playback vs. now playing
13:47:33JdGordonright... so id be happy for it to say no playlist even if there is resume info
13:47:46JdGordonunless someone really wants to fix it properly
13:49:44AkiyukiI wonder if my left key is broken
13:49:59cropJdGordon: that's what I think. But I also think that a proper fix wouldn't be much more complicated.
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14:06:45preglowdo anyone know if slasheri commited his cop fixes?
14:08:06amiconnJdGordon: warnings...
14:08:17preglowooh, savings
14:08:32amiconnpreglow: No he didn't, otherwise the warnings for pp targets would be gone
14:09:57preglowSlasheri: any eta on it?
14:10:41AkiyukiWhat type of playlists does rockbox support?
14:11:22PaulJamm3u and m3u8 afaik.
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14:13:50AkiyukiPaulJam, So, create a play list, then drop it into a folder on the drive?
14:16:03PaulJamAkiyuki: yes
14:17:06PaulJambut you can also create playlists with rockbox on the fly.
14:18:33Akiyukioh ok
14:18:40Akiyuki11hrs to transfer 118 songs? eep
14:22:58steveowow thats scarey i wouldnt wait more then 10min
14:23:54JdGordonNico_P: moving the wps background out of gwps*?
14:24:25Akiyukisteveo, what do you think makes it want to copy that slow?
14:24:32Akiyukinever went that slow before...
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14:25:20Nico_PJdGordon: the wps background is actually in backdrop.c
14:25:36Nico_PJdGordon: and this patch is mainly for RWPS support
14:25:42JdGordonoh, ok
14:27:20ice8luehey there everybody, could someone help me with my sansa rockbox? i installed the actual daily build 5mins ago and am using the DockPod Aqua theme. well, whatever. but after i apply the theme (or any other) the captions in the menu are mixed up. the entry called "settings" leads to the browser "now playing" is going to the settings and so on. what is this?
14:29:00*JdGordon seconds LinusN's wow
14:29:10steveou have somthing running in the background or the drive is full\near to full ethier the one ur copying from or to
14:29:42steveoim sorting through 3154 songs atm lol
14:29:54JdGordonice8lue: do you have a bookmarks item in that menu?
14:30:09Nico_Pwhy wow ?
14:30:33LinusNNico_P: because that was an interesting bug
14:30:36JdGordonNico_P: you dont think that bug deserves a wow?
14:31:11ice8lueJdGordon: ya the first entry saya latest bookmarks
14:31:25Nico_PI agree it's quite impressive :)
14:32:35JdGordonice8lue: what is the version you installed?
14:32:38Nico_PLinusN: mind having a quick look at ?
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14:33:10ice8luedownloaded some minutes ago....20070425 i think
14:33:53JdGordonfrom the daily builds page or the current builds page?
14:34:14JdGordon:) that means i didnt break it before
14:34:20JdGordontry the current build...
14:34:29ice8lueisnt it the same?
14:35:49steveook i cant find it, where can u change text colour? my background makes it hard to read the text (can u even change the colour??)
14:36:02LinusNNico_P: what is the purpose?
14:36:02dionoeain the settings menu
14:36:09dionoeadisplay or something like that
14:36:13dionoeaand font color i guess
14:36:17LinusNNico_P: i think this line is unnecessarily clever:
14:36:19LinusNwps_datas[i].remote_wps = (i != 0);
14:36:38Nico_PLinusN: it makes the wps_data aware of whether the screen si a remote or not
14:36:48Nico_PLinusN: why ?
14:36:59LinusNnever mind about that
14:37:12LinusNwhy does it need to know?
14:37:48Nico_PLinusN: to allow the bitmaps to be loaded properly and to prevent the use of an %X tag in the RWPS from unloading the backdrop from the main screen.
14:37:49amiconnIn order to use the correct parameters for bitmap loading...
14:38:10LinusNi think that patch looks ok
14:38:14Nico_Pin time, it would allow using an RWPS backdrop
14:38:16ice8lueJdGordon: ok, seems to work now
14:38:24Nico_Pamiconn: had a look at the patch ?
14:38:25cropNico_P: "wps_datas[i]..." data is already plural :-)
14:38:25Slasheripreglow: not sure what fixes you mean. If you mean those warnings, i doubt i can fix them without a real unit. That's why those are there.
14:38:38Nico_Pcrop: that's not my idea :)
14:38:39JdGordonice8lue: phew :)
14:38:50LinusNcrop: :-)
14:39:44Nico_Pon line 42 of the patch, it should read true instead of false. I corrected that already
14:40:12cropNico_P: and re re,ote_wps flag: wouldn't it be better to place a fuction pointer to the structure? The func would then load the image or whatever
14:41:23LinusNi think the flag is more KISS
14:41:24Nico_Pcrop: not sure I understood but the bitmaps are loaded by the same function but with a different format
14:41:46Akiyukisteveo, i formated the drive, and re-installed rockbox, and it's still transferring slow
14:41:48Akiyukilike 20kbps
14:42:31cropLinusN: well, it would be more KISS in a certain sense. At the place the image is loaded you'd just have a function call, without any if-then.
14:42:51preglowSlasheri: i was talking more of the stuff that makes cop actually being used by playback and such :)
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14:42:59preglowi can't remember if you commited that
14:43:01LinusNKISS in my world means "in your face", meaning that it is obvious what the code does
14:43:08steveoaki it go 20kb when u try say like 10 songs?
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14:43:22Akiyukisteveo, it got 20kb on 1 file
14:44:32cropLinusN: exactly. And if you name that member "load_image_func" then you'll also know WHAT the code does (the name tells it). But not HOW (since there's indirection).
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14:45:27crop*but not _necessarily_ HOW
14:46:28PaulJamAkiyuki: what player do you have?
14:46:39LinusNcrop: i agree that in this case it doesn't matter much which method we choose, but i think it is more obvious what the code does if there is an explicit check for the remote flag
14:46:47AkiyukiPaulJam, 1G ipod nano
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14:47:43Slasheripreglow: oh, that's far away being complete :)
14:48:01PaulJamAkiyuki: you should try if it works better if you boot into the apple firmware before connecting. i think i have heard thet the emergency diskmode is sometimes slow.
14:49:20LinusNthe emergency disk mode is horribly slow
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14:51:56amiconncrop: The load_image_func() would just be an extra layer
14:52:14amiconnThe bmp loader function is a single instance and can load both main & remote format
14:52:27cropLinusN: with a func pointer we'd have better "abstraction match" The code in question shouldn't be aware about the fact that there are main/remote displays
14:52:48Nico_Pcrop: that's already done a lot in screen_access.[ch]
14:52:55amiconnThis saves quite some code, because all the BMP header checking and converting to canonical format in-RAM is the same, just the output format conversion is different
14:53:06Nico_Pcrop: but in the case of bitmap loading, both display types share the same function
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14:57:54cropNico_P, amiconn: that all might be correct. I only briefly looked at the patch and noticed the "abstraction mismatch" (IMO). But if you find it ok then I'm also fine
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15:02:17amiconncrop: I agree it's a bit special. Maybe the bmp loader should be split, and accept a callback that puts converts the data to lcd specific format
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15:07:33cropamiconn: my idea is that the structure has to hold a pointer to a loading func. Different funcs may use another (static?) func as part of their implementation and then do some specific pixel conversion or whatever. So code wise we'll have no more than now
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15:11:51JdGordonwhy cant mp3 players use a standard usb plug?? Ive lst my sansa cable :'(
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15:14:02amiconnJdGordon: Archos recorder fm/v2, Ondios, iriver H1xx, H300 and iaudio M5 all have standard plugs :P
15:14:36Nico_Pand the gigabeat too :)
15:14:37amiconnHowever, Archos player, recorder v1, iaudio X5 and ipods do not
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15:36:41AkiyukiPaulJam, how do you boot into apple firmware?
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15:38:09PaulJamAkiyuki: not sure. i think by enabling the hold swich while booting. but this should be explained in the manual or in the faq.
15:41:32Akiyukikinda funny..i reformatted the drive, re-installed rockbox, and all of my old files are still in the cache, but don't play....rebooting it doesn't seem to help
15:43:02PaulJamthe database only autodetects removed files if autoupdate and directorycache are enabled.
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16:08:57JdGordondoes mpegplayer have a function which rotates the image? or is it done during decoding?
16:09:55dionoeathe bliting function rotates the image AFAIK
16:10:02dionoea(so it's target dependant)
16:12:07markunJdGordon: were you thinking about adding rotation to rockbox?
16:12:26JdGordonin jpeg viewer...
16:12:38JdGordonid love it in the whole OS... its not gonna happen tho
16:12:43Nico_Prockboy would be awsome on the gigabeat if it were rotated
16:12:45markunare you sure?
16:13:00Nico_PJdGordon: JPEG viewer would sure be better rotated
16:13:19markunI think it depends on the aspect ratio of the jpeg you are viewing
16:13:23Nico_Por maybe auto-rotated... no need to rotate portrait pictures
16:13:26markunfor comics it's fine for example
16:15:16JdGordoncomics? the screen isnt too small?
16:15:27markunif a DAP states that you can add 512MB to 1GB with an SD cart, is it likely not to work with > 1GB cards?
16:15:33markunJdGordon: you need to zoom a lot :)
16:19:30Nico_PJdGordon: ideas on how to do autorotating ?
16:19:50JdGordonnot really...
16:19:54AkiyukiPaulJam, but, I formatted the drive, and when I rebooted, rockbox was still on the drive lol
16:19:54AkiyukiI think it wasn't rebooting fully
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16:22:09amiconnmarkun: It's protocol dependent
16:22:24amiconnIn rockbox such a dap can well support cards >1GB
16:22:43markunamiconn: ok, good to know
16:22:53markunI'm looking at the Ainol V1000
16:23:41markunit has a blackfin CPU, so that would mean a lot of work (and fun I hope)
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16:24:56JdGordonNico_P: in settings.c (and im assuming other places) you have gui_wps[0]. ... and [1] these are for the screens right? can you change them to use SCREEN_MAIN and SCREEN_REMOTE instead of 0 and 1?
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16:25:18Nico_PJdGordon: yes
16:25:24amiconnmarkun: Of course it depends on where the protocol is implemented
16:25:34amiconnIf it's not the cpu you may be out of luck
16:26:00amiconnBut both on sansa (sd) and Ondio (mmc) the protocol is implemented on the main cpu
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16:30:00ackbahr_Hi there! when I check my rockbox version, I see r12181-070202 . Is this version 1.2181 ?
16:30:10JdGordonbah, I was just looking in the user list to see if pauljam was here and he quits :'(
16:31:02markunamiconn: no, not really
16:31:10markuneh, that was for ackbahr_
16:31:40markunackbahr_: the r12181 is the svn revision number, the 070202 (2007-02-02) is the date of the build.
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16:31:49ackbahr_markun: But I suppose I'm well behind r13261-070425 ?
16:32:10markunyes, 1.5 months
16:32:26markun2.5 even (can't count)
16:32:59ackbahr_markun: Great, then I'd rather upgrade.... Thanks!
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16:33:55markunackbahr_: you can always check the MajorChanges wiki pages to see if there were some important things done
16:34:24ackbahr_markun: Good idea....
16:35:34JdGordonPaulJam: re the random folder plugin... does it really make sense to have a whitelist and a blacklist?
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16:36:37PaulJamJdGordon: for me it makes sense, but it's not a must have, only a nice to have feature.
16:37:11JdGordonso it would work by scanning recursivly the whitelist, then remove the blacklisted folders?
16:38:42PaulJamthat's how i would imagine it.
16:39:10ackbahr_markun: Ok, I think I'll do it... Wish me luck for the maneuvre! Or it there a straighter way to do it than backup my stuff, delete .rockbox, install the new one and then recustomise the new .rockbox?
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16:41:27amiconnackbahr: To make sure (I think your version is from before the .cfg move: Go to manage settings, save a .cfg, unzip the new rockbox over your old, boot into it and load the .cfg
16:41:46amiconnYOu only need to adjust settings which weren't present in the old version
16:42:08amiconnNothing to explicitly delete
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16:43:11ackbahr_amiconn: And until I touch the bootloader, it just won't start up if I do something wrong/stupid/both, right?
16:46:25ackbahr_well, at least by changing one .rockbox with the other it work. I'll try the 'merge' way now.
16:46:31AkiyukiAnyone here speak dutch?
16:47:26ackbahr_Akiyuki: No, I'm sorry....
16:47:30markunackbahr_: I do
16:47:40markunAkiyuki: that was for you
16:47:47markun(stupid auto completion)
16:48:00AkiyukiPerhaps you can help me pronounce one word I am having trouble with?
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16:48:53Akiyukidus ga ik naar m'n vrienden
16:49:11AkiyukiI'm not sure how to pronounce the m'n
16:49:21markunm'n is short for "mijn" which is pronounced like "majn"
16:49:34markunbut m'n is pronounced like "mn"
16:49:45markunor "mnnn" maybe
16:49:55AkiyukiI knew what it meant, I've read it before, but wasn't sure how to pronounce it
16:50:02AkiyukiEver heard "alle idioten de zingen over boten" ?
16:50:09markunno :)
16:50:15ackbahr_Akiyuki: Well, it was easy, just pronounce it the way it's written! :D
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16:50:24markunbut it's getting a bit off topic here, maybe you can PM me
16:50:42Akiyukioh, that's it.. thanks for the help :)
16:50:49markunamiconn: the firmware of the player I am looking at is unencrypted
16:50:50Akiyukioh.. one more thing, ill pm you
16:55:30markunamiconn: at least some of the code they borrowed is GPL (libmad), do you think they will have to release the whole source under the GPL?
16:55:47ackbahr_amiconn: wonderful! It's my h320, but it's just better! If the bootloader accepts the upgrade, is there any reason to upgrade it as well?
16:57:01amiconnThere is no newer bootloader than back in february
16:58:16ackbahr_amiconn: Ah, this answers my question sweetly (hate working on this kind on level on any machine....) Thanks!
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17:09:25cropmarkun: I think GPL is viral, i.e. if a system is "infected" by a piece of GPL code it must be released under GPL
17:09:35markuncrop: I think so too
17:09:39AceNik_hey anyone whose an expert at database here
17:10:02cropmarkun: sue!
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17:10:22markuncrop: the sega emulation is done with Generator which is also GPL
17:11:12AceNik_markun are you familiar with the database codes?
17:11:22dionoeadid the product ship with a writen offer to get the source code?
17:11:32dionoeamarkun: ^
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17:12:35ackbahr_Thanks you all for your help, see you!
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17:13:19markundionoea: I didn't buy it yet
17:13:32markunAceNik_: no
17:13:41dionoeaah ... so maybe they're GPL compliant :)
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17:16:58AceNik_]if i want to get a new database view approved for making it default in rockbox how can i do it ?
17:17:10markundionoea: probably :)
17:18:08AceNik_secondly i need someone who could delete a few of my attachments on the wiki
17:18:15AceNik_since its a waste
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17:19:08markundionoea: strange strings in the firmware like "YUYU NO QUIZ DE GO!GO!" :)
17:19:08SlasheriAceNik_: post a patch in the tracker
17:19:30Slasheri(or in fact not a patch, but the whole tagnavi file)
17:21:37dionoeamarkun: hehe
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17:23:41AceNik__does anyone have rights to delete attachments on the wiki
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18:02:13AceNik__anyone has permission to delete attachments on the wiki
18:03:15DomonokyAceNik__: only admins have delete rigths, you can only hide them..
18:03:32Domonokybut thats enough..
18:04:14AceNik__so there are 3 attachments i want to delete them its my uploaded stuff earlier
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18:05:34Domonokyjust hide them.
18:05:59AceNik__they all are hidden
18:06:31Domonokythen its good, all done :-)
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18:54:44*moos just receive his new rockbox device (Gigabeat F40) :)
18:55:16moosit looks quite good at first look
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19:09:35GRaTTHello, anybody here with flyspry admin rights
19:09:58GRaTTI put a patch under feature request and would like it changed
19:10:27barrywardellwhat do you want changed? which patch?
19:10:58GRaTTbarrywardell: 7076 calendar patch for sansa
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19:12:07PimpdaddypayneIs it ok if mencoder says " 1 duplicate frame(s)!"
19:12:10barrywardellwhat do you want changed?
19:12:33GRaTTbarrywardell: I put it under feature request instead of patch
19:13:00GRaTTbarrywardell: thank you
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19:14:31GRaTTTo the DEVs any chance of getting FS 6884 Playlist Converter for Sansa comitted to SVN
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20:13:53pixelmaLlorean: you around?
20:16:12pixelmagot two forum questions... 1) I've found a hint that the rockbox forums are reachable through wap while I was googling something - is that true and if so what would be the "address"? (can't seem to find out)
20:16:57LloreanYou should be able to just enter the URL, and depending on your useragent you should get served whatever page version is most suitable (I think)
20:17:23elinenbe_Llorean: yes, you are correct
20:17:39elinenbe_but the wap version of the site has a bit to be desired −− as is with all wap sites!
20:17:47pixelmahmm... will try
20:18:00Lloreanelinenbe_: The one it serves to my smartphone is quite nice, I almost find it preferable to the normal version.
20:18:02pixelma2) maybe better in a PM
20:18:41Lloreanelinenbe_: Is this the one you get?;wap2
20:18:51Nico_Ppixelma: have you tried the new code for remote bitmaps ?
20:19:46elinenbe_Llorean: yes, that is the version. I got it on my Blackberry
20:20:22LloreanI'm quite fond of it. It allows very easy navigation (for me), and has all the important functionality as far as I can see (at least it has everything I make use of).
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20:27:02Lloreanelinenbe_: Was there some specific feature it was lacking? I haven't really looked into modifying the wap versions (not even sure how yet) but if it's something serious that I've not noticed just because I don't use it, I could do some research
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20:31:29pixelmaNico_P: yes - tried it in a M5 sim. Works quite nicely thanks! :)
20:32:09amiconnNow if remote backdrops would also work....
20:32:15elinenbe_Llorean: if you go into a thread, and then back to the main view, it takes you to page one again −− not the current page you were on.
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20:32:42pixelmaNico_P: Now if I only could use the %X - because that's what I basically want with my WPS (I want it to use only a backdrop - no other images)
20:32:56pixelmabut it's a good step ahead
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20:44:41Nico_Pamiconn: I think the best idea would be to move the backdrops in the screen structs
20:44:48Nico_Ptwo backdrop buffers per screen
20:45:04amiconnThe buffer itself shouldn't be in the struct
20:45:16Nico_Pthat way we'll even be prepared for DAP's with more than two screens :)
20:45:26Nico_Pamiconn: were should the buffer be ?
20:45:47amiconn..because they can be (vastly) different in size
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20:46:45Nico_Phmm yes true... there'll just be a pointer to the buffer
20:47:18Nico_PI'll probably leave the actual buffers in backdrop.c
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20:50:22AceNik__pixelma u there ?
20:50:57amiconnbackdrop.[ch] should probably be moved to gui/ when it's adapted to work properly with multiple screens
20:51:56Nico_Pamiconn: is wps_parser.c multi-screen-compliant enough now ?
20:52:39*amiconn thinks so
20:53:04amiconnThe code probably can't be 100% screen agnostic
20:54:26*amiconn thinks it's a funny coincidence that only coldfire targets have lcd remotes - and all coldfire targets do!
21:00:35amiconnmarkun: Regarding you potential target and its firmware not being encrypted: Maybe it isn't encrypted because the manufacturer deems dsp asm code cryptic enough? ;)
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21:01:13markunI didn't try to disassemble it yet
21:01:44amiconnYou said it's blackfin based... all I know about blackfin is that it's a dsp
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21:02:17markunamiconn: yes, CPU + DSP
21:02:18amiconnWhen looking at the (leaked) mas core docs, I was scared. Those dsps are really strange beasts
21:03:31amiconnHarvard architecture, pipeline synchronization must be done by the coder (no stalls, but wrong results when not obeying the delays)...
21:03:32markunblackfin assembly looks funny
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21:04:01markunI'll search for some examples
21:04:38amiconnAt least there is a gcc port for blackfin
21:04:40markunhm later, we are going to watch a movie here
21:04:59markunamiconn: ffmpeg and speex have some blackfin opts I think
21:05:24amiconnmas3500 asm also looks extremely funny
21:06:16dionoeayes, ffmpeg has blackfin stuff. (Loads were commited in the past 2 weeks)
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21:28:37preglowblackfin is tons easier to program than the mas
21:28:43preglowbut the asm is weird
21:28:46preglowweird but pretty nice
21:30:38peturI never had the chance to do blackfin asm, a project at work ended before I got to the optimizing part
21:31:19preglowit looks a bit like sharc asm, if i remember correctly
21:31:23preglowwhich is pretty symbolic
21:32:10*preglow sees an atrac3.c file in ffmpeg
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21:37:26preglowmerbanan: heard any more about wma fixed point?
21:37:58merbanannope, I'll ping him
21:38:46saratogawhat about wma fixed point
21:41:20preglowsaratoga: someone is working on it
21:41:36preglowwhich is great, since it's a lot of work
21:41:53saratogawow thats good to know
21:42:26preglowintegrating it in rockbox and optimising it'll be more than enough work, though, so you'll still have stuff to do, heh
21:42:37preglowcan't remember his name, just read it on the ffmpeg list
21:42:52saratogaoh an ffmpeg person
21:43:00saratogai thought you meant someone on this project
21:43:27preglowah, no
21:43:40saratogai've been meaning to ask about the assembler syntax in gcc
21:43:51preglowgo ahead if you've got any questions ready
21:43:54preglowi know a fair bit about it
21:43:58saratogais it the standard arm flavor, or does gcc have it's own?
21:44:05preglowstandard arm, more or les
21:44:12preglowmov r0, r1, lsl #1
21:44:13preglowand the like
21:44:17saratogayeah that part i get
21:44:20saratogathings like this confuse me
21:44:26preglowthen you'll see few surprises
21:44:32saratoga: "=&r" (__lo), "=&r" (__hi), "=r" (__result)
21:44:41preglowyeah, those are constraint specifiers
21:44:46preglowpretty logical once you get to know them :>
21:44:54saratogais there some documentation i should know about?
21:44:59preglowyup, i'll link you in a sec
21:45:00saratogai don't recall seeing those in the arm7 manual
21:45:08saratoga(though maybe I missed them)
21:45:35preglowthe following sections have more
21:45:41preglowit's in the gcc manual
21:45:54saratogathanks i'll read through that
21:46:13preglowthey're basically just a way of telling gcc where to put variables and stuff
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21:46:50merbananpreglow: pinged him, he usually answers in a few days
21:46:57preglowmerbanan: cool, thanks
21:47:37webguest51hi can anyone help me with a problem i'm having? i just downloaded a gameboy game and i can play it and all, but the soun is kind of messy. can anybody tell me how to fix that?
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21:48:20webguest51the sound is the only problem?
21:48:36PaulJamwebguest51: what player are you using?
21:48:45preglowsaratoga: don't dig too dip into the asm stuff at first, though, premature optimisation is the root of all evil, etc, etc
21:48:51webguest51i'm using an ipod video
21:48:53preglowsaratoga: dig, that is
21:48:56webguest5130 gigs
21:49:01preglowehh, "deep", that is
21:49:10saratogayeah i know
21:49:17saratogai mostly want to know about fixed point stuff
21:49:22saratogaso i'm reading through mad
21:49:30saratogabut the asm syntax was tripping me up
21:49:40preglowjust ask if you've got any concrete examples you want explained
21:49:46PaulJamwebguest51: the problem with the sound is then propably that the gameboyemulator doesn't run in realtime. so the sound is too slow.
21:49:58preglowand investigating fixed point is clever, yes, you'll need a fairly good grasp of it
21:50:08webguest51the whatmulater?
21:50:20webguest51how can i fix that?
21:50:31preglowby making faster code for us
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21:50:56webguest51oh and another problem is that the controls are kind of messed up too....
21:51:09webguest51i forgot that one.
21:51:42PaulJamwebguest51: i think in the menu you can change the buttons.
21:51:58webguest51i just copie dthr game rom to my ipod and theni went to files then i just clicked on it.
21:52:16M_M_KI'm using the current release for JB6000, and the manual does not quite seem to match whst I'm seeing-is there a more correct version?
21:52:24webguest51what is the menu supposed to look like?
21:52:36saratogapreglow: MAD_F_MLX(hi, lo, x, y), what is MLX an mnenonic for?
21:52:36webguest51so i can change the controls.
21:52:41saratogasome kind of multiply?
21:53:26PaulJamwebguest51: i guess the manual explains how to enter the menu in ipods.
21:53:31webguest51when i go to the menu it says (buggy) what does that mean?
21:53:49webguest51oh ok thank you
21:53:52preglowsaratoga: wouldn't know, it's just a plain 64 bit multiply
21:54:07PaulJamwebguest51: it may not work as expected
21:54:17webguest51ho really?
21:54:21preglowMLA stands for multiply and accumulate, but god knows what the X is supposed to be
21:54:52webguest51so what didi you say about the sound being to slow? Why is that?
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21:55:22PaulJamwebguest51: the code is not optimized enough.
21:55:44webguest51what do u mean can you please tell me how to fix that?
21:55:53webguest51is that in the manual?
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21:56:00M_M_KI'm using the current release for JB6000, and the manual does not quite seem to match whst I'm seeing-is there a more correct version?
21:56:18webguest51if it is in the manual can you please give me a link to that?
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21:56:30PaulJamwebguest51: if it is easy to do, i believe someone would have already done it.
21:56:46BagderjhMikeS: did you really intend to skip the close on seek/write failures?
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21:57:01webguest51oh so you are not sure how to fix the volume either?
21:57:21jhMikeSbagder: yes, the core does it then
21:57:30Bagderok, just making sure
21:57:53M_M_KI'm using the current release for JB6000, and the manual does not quite seem to match whst I'm seeing-is there a more correct version?
21:58:04PaulJamwebguest51: have you tried adjusting the volume before entering the plugin? btw. the manual can be found here:
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21:58:42webguest51Okay thank you. Bye =+)
21:58:57element_Gany gigabeat users here?
21:59:11pixelmaM_M_K: if you got it from the site it's probably the newest, bit pitily still a bit outdated
21:59:36M_M_Kas a result, I can't figure out some functions-the most important right now is:how do I reshufle the current playlist-I can't fine the option to do this
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22:00:03M_M_Kpixelma-how do I get a CURRENT copy
22:00:28M_M_Kor is there no such thing?
22:02:21pixelmathere is no manual that matches the current version - mostly there were a few important changes recently (menu system) and the manual writers couldn't keep up
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22:02:56jhMikeSthat someone had a situation where a write failure wasn't reported and recording continued kinda bugs me. if the functions don't return exactly what was asked to be written, recording does in fact set the error correctly.
22:03:41pixelmaM_M_K: I don't have an Archos Player but I'll try to figure it out for you, or trying to get the attention of amiconn who's the most "prominent" Player owner around here
22:03:45element_GAny gigabeat users that can give me a hand with the screen rotation patch?
22:05:13jhMikeSencoders also aren't responsible for cleaning up the mess, they just return on the first problem with the error flag set...just part of the way the interface works
22:05:40M_M_Kit seems that the playlist functions are a bit less than clear, but I suspect that is mostly issues with the manual
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22:07:41pixelmaM_M_K: did you find out how to access the wps context menu?
22:07:55jhMikeSodd little red patch in the build table there :0
22:08:18M_M_Ksorta, but it does not always match the manual
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22:09:28Bagderindeed a weird build failure... on my host
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22:11:04pixelmaM_M_K: so if you call the wps context menu there should be an entry "playlist" - on my player there is a "reshuffle" option under that - I wouldn't recognise that playlist submenu from reading the Player's manual...
22:11:10M_M_Kwait-I think I may have answered the shuffle question-it seems that every time I run the root playlist, it reshuffles it(which is NOT how the manual says to do it)
22:11:50Bagderif shuffle is enabled, it (re-)shuffles on load yes
22:12:11M_M_Kright now, I have a file playing, with the playlist on
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22:12:42M_M_Kso that means that I'm looking at the wps screen?
22:12:44pixelmayou mean you are already viewing the playlist?
22:13:06M_M_Kbut not with the viewer
22:13:58pixelmaso you went "While Playing Screen" -> wps context menu -> playlist -> view current playlist? (That's how I'd have to do here)
22:14:20M_M_KI'm playing the playlist
22:15:05M_M_KI've never found a option to reshuffle the playlist
22:15:17M_M_Kother than reloading it
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22:17:06pixelmaI can only imagine from what you describe that you are looking at your files in the file browser then (I'm trying to understand what screen you see)
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22:18:51M_M_KI'm PLAYING a file-I'm seeing the 1 line scroll on top, and the time elap then a * then the total track time
22:19:06Nico_Perr, do we need main_remote_backdrops ?
22:19:32Nico_PI mean a main backdrop for the remote LCD
22:20:08LloreanM_M_K: Which player do you have?
22:20:45LloreanAh, don't know which button gets you to the context menu from the WPS in that one.
22:21:06M_M_KI'm having issues with the manual not matching the menus
22:21:53LloreanWhich build are you using?
22:22:16M_M_Kthe latest:d/led yesterday
22:22:31LloreanThat's not the latest, but that's beside the point
22:22:40LloreanWhich link did you use to download it, and which manual are you reading?
22:22:48pixelmaI find no hint on how to get to the wps context menu (though it is mentioned in the manual that there should be one) - maybe I'm wrong in thinking it's basically the same as elsewhere (I'm trying to find out in a simulator btw.)
22:23:30M_M_KI downloaded it from the spot you guys told me to last might
22:23:54LloreanM_M_K: I wasn't here last night, so unfortunately I can't read your mind to know what you're talking about.
22:24:11LloreanM_M_K: From the WPS screen, have you tried holding Play/Pause?
22:24:17pixelmaM_M_K: when you are in the while playing screen you have to long-press "play"
22:24:23M_M_Kit's the current release version
22:24:34M_M_Kok let me rry that
22:24:36LloreanThe "Current Version" or the "Release" version?
22:24:42LloreanThey're two very different things.
22:25:00pixelmathen you get to the context menu, the second entry is "playlist"
22:25:04M_M_Kok I'm in a menu I see it
22:25:30pixelmaenter that - and the last entry is "reshuffle"
22:26:11PaulJamwhy does the starfiled plugin use the menu-backdrop again? it used to be white on black until the pulsing to music stuff was added.
22:26:42M_M_Kthe manual while it has a april 23 07 date, it's not really up-to-date
22:27:12Bagderthe manuals are built daily
22:27:17pixelmaare you watching the online version or the pdf?
22:27:20Bagderit doesn't mean that the contents change every day...
22:27:42M_M_KI guess when a program is updated as often as RB, it's rough to stay current
22:27:47pixelmathere is a reason the pdf shows "draft" underneath the text...
22:27:47M_M_Kthe pdf
22:27:51LloreanM_M_K: What did the manual tell you to do, that's different?
22:28:12jhMikeSrockbox needs an fabort function to not leak away a file descriptor just because the last cached sector can't be flushed
22:28:15pixelmaLlorean: the manual is missing the "long play" part
22:28:24pixelmain the keytabble
22:28:39pixelmaI'll fix it
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22:28:55M_M_Kin general, there are menu items where the options don't match the manual
22:29:05pixelmabut I guess there are other instances of missing/incorrect information
22:29:44Lloreanpixelma: Actually, the real problem is also that the Manual calls the Long Play function "File Menu" rather than "Context Menu"
22:30:09M_M_Kunless, I'm in the wrong menu(but I'm fairly sure that this is not ALWAYS the case)
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22:30:39Lloreanpixelma: Under the WPS Context menu area it refers you back to the filetree context menu, which isn't called that so you can't connect the two. But it also needs to be in the keymap area.
22:30:46pixelmaLlorean: in the wps key table?
22:31:05Lloreanpixelma: In the "File Browser Controls" table as well
22:31:42Lloreanpixelma: In that one it calls it the "File Menu", and then in the section of the manual specifically about the WPS Context Menu it refers to the File Tree context menu, which is misnamed in the earlier section as "File Menu"
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22:32:28pixelmaah... now I know what you mean - I'm slow in understanding - but I agree completely. I also wondered about that once
22:35:02M_M_K ok guys, thanks for the insite..I need to get somewhere! I'll check in later if any other questions arise
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22:43:27Bapulhey everybody
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22:52:43Nico_Ppixelma, amiconn_: I have backdrop support for RPWS ready
22:53:18Nico_PI decided not to do main remote backdrop support for now (not sure it's very useful)
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22:54:59BapulDoes anyone know how to remap the button funcions on the Toshiba Gigabeat? I have explored the whole ".rockbox" directory and it seems like the key mapping is somewhere else.
22:55:20Bagderthey are in the code
22:55:51BapulIf they're in the code.. would I need some coding/programming skills to change?
22:55:56Nico_PBagder, amiconn_: should I first commit the modified backdrop.[ch] and then move them or can I commit them with both the changes and the move ?
22:55:59pixelmaNico_P: neat... I'd like to try :)
22:56:20Nico_Ppixelma: I'll pastebin the patch now
22:56:49BagderNico_P: you can commit with both at once, but perhaps it makes sense to do one change at a time for easier tracking of things in svn
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22:57:24Nico_PBagder: probably yes... svn warns me against moving a file that has local changes
22:59:47Nico_Ppixelma: it works fine on my X5 sim but if you can test soon I'll wait a bit before committing
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23:00:31Nico_Phow can I force the remote backlight to go back on in the sim ?
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23:01:41pixelmawondered about this as well - as I'm compiling atm... have you tried setting the remote backlight to "on" through the menu?
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23:02:07Nico_Ppixelma: good idea
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23:02:39Nico_Phmm it still comes off
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23:04:51webguest86Has anybody been playing around with the D2 firmware?
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23:09:53pixelmaNico_P: the rwps backdrop doesn't get cleared when I enter a menu/browser or stop playback
23:10:34pixelmaif it was in the wps before that is
23:10:48Nico_Ppixelma: silly me :)
23:11:25pixelmabut otherwise it works :)
23:11:36webguest46I have an IRiver 120 and want to update Rockbox to the current build, it has been a long time since I did that and would like instructions on how to do the install. Should I unzip the download and transfer it to the root of the IRiver? Since it has been a long time sould I be installing the last build or start with an older build?
23:12:32peturwebguest46: do you want to keep your settings?
23:13:21webguest46Which settings? I have never realy used the unit much.
23:13:59peturthen just unzip the latest 'current build' onto your iriver
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23:14:39webguest46OK petur,thks
23:14:43peturmaybe you could also install a newer bootloader, don't know the history there
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23:15:43webguest46Where do I find the bootloader info on the web
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23:16:05webguest46mine would be over a year old
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23:16:38webguest46Do you refer to the Rockbox program ?
23:16:39IRCGuest98anybody out here got a D2?
23:16:49IRCGuest98a Cowon D2 player?
23:18:43webguest46petur are you still there?
23:19:10petura bit, yes
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23:19:41webguest46when you mentioned the bootloader are you refering to the version of Rockbox?
23:19:54peturwebguest46: wiki -> iriverboot
23:20:12webguest46Ok I will take a look
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23:24:12Nico_Ppixelma: solved... I had forgotten a few things :)
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23:24:55pixelmadid you also try out that it doesn't break something for the irivers with mono display remotes?
23:25:29webguest09petru, found the iriverboot page and will check my version later. Thks
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23:25:47Nico_Ppixelma: not yet but I'll do that before I commit
23:25:59*petur hands webguest09 a proper nick ;)
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23:31:05peturbah... xubuntu doesn't install on a disk < 2GB :( −− bloatware
23:31:34pixelmaNico_P: in a H300 sim the main backdrop got cleared when I tried to confuse it with adding a "%X" to a non-existent file (extreme error checking ;) )
23:31:59Nico_Ppixelma: I just tried the exact same thing :)
23:33:17pixelmahehe... I'll leave it to you then :)
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23:36:14Nico_Ppixelma: I just solved it... with a very ugly #ifdef
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23:38:15Nico_PI think I can commit now
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23:40:22IRCGuest98I was interested in reverse engineer D2 firmware...any info of TELECHIP TCC7801 it similar to any samsung or TI chip?
23:40:26amiconnBagder: Seems like is having problems...
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23:43:20pixelmaI think he knows
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23:44:48amiconnIf it's known, why not take it offline until it's fixed?
23:46:45amiconnBagder: Red builds with no reason in the code are even more confusing than consistently red builds because of rombox being too big, imho
23:47:32pixelmaI thought that it only showed up with the latest build *shrug*
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23:52:47Rob24Whats a good theme for the 5th gen. ipod video? i cant decided
23:53:36*amiconn might have overlooked a comment
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23:54:30amiconnNico_P: yellow...
23:55:08amiconnAnd regaring moving+changing in svn in one go - I did this several times. SVN warns when moving a changed file, but not when changing a moved file :-P
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23:55:52amiconnANd the moved file still shows the changes when viewing a diff, so things aren't hidden by doing this
23:57:37Nico_Pamiconn: that warning was definitly not my fault :)
23:57:44Nico_Pbut I admit I should have tested
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23:59:00pixelmastrange... I didn't see it when compiling the first version of that patch for a M5 sim

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