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| 00:03:14 | Rob24 | some one help me find doom.wad because i cnat find it on the internet anywhere |
| 00:03:44 | Domonoky_ | Rob24: no help for such things here, use google |
| 00:04:09 | Rob24 | i did but i cant find a download for it |
| 00:04:11 | scorche | Rob24: did you happen to click on the "extras" link under downloads? |
| 00:04:41 | Rob24 | yes |
| 00:05:27 | Rob24 | i downloaded the rockdoom zip but it only gives me freedoom |
| 00:06:21 | scorche | and is something wrong with freedoom? |
| 00:06:22 | Rob24 | and i dont really like freen doom so i want like doom 1 |
| 00:06:31 | Rob24 | i just dont like it much |
| 00:07:18 | scorche | the shareware doom? |
| 00:08:16 | Rob24 | i tried but free doom is the only one showing up when i go to doom (in rock box- axctuly on ipod) then game, it only shows freedoom |
| 00:08:44 | scorche | i am saying, doom1 is shareware |
| 00:09:00 | scorche | oh...that isnt working? |
| 00:09:17 | Rob24 | sharwear so, it wont work work with rock box? |
| 00:09:30 | Soap | Rockbox respects intelectual property and does not encourage, condone, nor tolerate the "pirating" of IP. Fishing for links to commercial WADs is fruitless. |
| 00:09:31 | Rob24 | no its not working |
| 00:11:26 | Rob24 | kick a$$ NOW its working =D |
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| 00:14:58 | Rob24 | lol i found out my freedoom wasnt working XD duh retarted me |
| 00:15:24 | amiconn | Nico_P: While wps_parser.c is placed under apps/gui/, it doesn't play "by the rules" |
| 00:15:32 | Rob24 | **why doom sharwear wasnt working |
| 00:15:51 | amiconn | The gui code is (or should be) designed to work with more than one screen without needing too much special casing |
| 00:16:27 | Nico_P | amiconn: I wasn't aware of that rule |
| 00:16:49 | Nico_P | what should I do ? move wps_parser.c out of gui ? |
| 00:16:49 | amiconn | That doesn't apply to the processing of image tags - it won't work for remote lcds (unless they have the same pixel format by coincidence) |
| 00:18:01 | amiconn | read_bmp_file() needs to be told whether it should load for main or remote, and there are several other places which need to check parameters from struct screen instead of just relying on #if(def) |
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| 00:19:06 | amiconn | I think the wps parser should be fixed to work correctly with more than one display |
| 00:20:26 | amiconn | Imho some assumptions can be kept, e.g. that if there is more than one display, they are always of the same class, i.e. not mixing bitmap with charcell |
| 00:20:44 | Nico_P | amiconn: I don't see how read_bmp_file knows whether it's working on the main screen or on the remote |
| 00:21:06 | amiconn | It doesn't know, it must be told |
| 00:21:32 | amiconn | ...by |FORMAT_REMOTE when laoding for the remote |
| 00:21:37 | Nico_P | ah |
| 00:22:22 | * | amiconn fixed such a problem not long ago, in the new themable icon code |
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| 00:23:19 | Nico_P | amiconn: the problem is that the parsing is meant to only act on the wps_data, so it doesn't know about the screen |
| 00:23:23 | amiconn | I think we can also safely assume that multi-screen targets will always be bitmapped, |
| 00:23:30 | Nico_P | and I'm pretty sure the old code worked the same way |
| 00:23:49 | amiconn | load_bitmap() does not only work on the wps_data |
| 00:23:51 | Nico_P | ...which I know isn't a reason to do the same |
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| 00:24:53 | Nico_P | amiconn: it doesn't know anything about the screen and only writes the bitmap data to the bitmap buffer |
| 00:24:56 | amiconn | Hmm, it loads the data into a buffer pointed to by the structure, but this loading needs to know the display, because the internal pixel format is display dependent |
| 00:25:16 | Nico_P | so wps_data needs to be aware of the screen type |
| 00:25:22 | amiconn | ...even for the M5. ALthough both main & remote are 2 bit greyscale, they don't have the same pixel format |
| 00:26:34 | Rob24 | Know when you play a rom, they when you save it has the 5 save spots, are those spots for that one game or for ALL the roms you have |
| 00:26:37 | amiconn | This is one problem. Another one is that backdrops are only supported on screens with depth >= 2 |
| 00:26:58 | amiconn | ...so on iriver, the main lcd needs to support backdrops while the remote can't |
| 00:27:48 | Nico_P | amiconn: I wanted to simply disable the %X tag on the remote but got stopped by the fact that I have no way to know if I'm the remote or not |
| 00:28:10 | amiconn | On the X5 and M5 %X should work for the remote |
| 00:28:46 | Nico_P | amiconn: they should but what actually happens is that the %X tag from the RWPS will clear the backdrop from the main display |
| 00:28:56 | amiconn | (and standard bitmaps should also made working correctly, by loading them in the correct pixel format) |
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| 00:29:35 | amiconn | Yes, because there is only one global backdrop_bmp_name |
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| 00:30:56 | Nico_P | amiconn: that's not the issue. the backdrop is loaded as soon as the parsing is finished, so that var isn't needed anymore by the time we start loading the RWPS. the problem is that there's nothing in backdrop.c to allow loading a remote backdrop |
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| 00:31:43 | Nico_P | we have two buffers: main and wps... we should have two more: remote-main and remote-wps |
| 00:31:58 | amiconn | Yes, for targets with an lcd remote |
| 00:31:59 | Nico_P | and the appropriate loading functions |
| 00:32:13 | amiconn | ...and where remote depth > 1 |
| 00:32:18 | Nico_P | yes, that's what I meant |
| 00:32:52 | amiconn | Another half baked solution... :looks at linuxstb: |
| 00:33:10 | Nico_P | amiconn: what do you mean by half-baked ? |
| 00:33:29 | amiconn | That it supports only half of the displays on X5 and M5... |
| 00:33:51 | Nico_P | ah, you're talking about the current code ? |
| 00:33:55 | amiconn | yes |
| 00:34:35 | amiconn | Extending it there should be relatively straightforward though |
| 00:34:39 | Nico_P | shouldn't the backdrop buffer be somewhere closer to the (remote-)lcd driver ? |
| 00:34:51 | Nico_P | or in the screen struct ? |
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| 00:35:42 | amiconn | I don't think it should be in the driver, as it would fix the number of possible backdrops |
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| 00:36:09 | Nico_P | amiconn: the number of possible backdrops per screen ? |
| 00:36:20 | amiconn | yes |
| 00:37:00 | Nico_P | why would it be more limited in the driver than where it is now ? |
| 00:37:23 | amiconn | Now the app code can define as many backdrop buffers as it needs without changing the driver |
| 00:37:30 | Nico_P | (forgive me for all my questions, I'm not very familiar with that code... actually I really started reading it today) |
| 00:37:38 | amiconn | Even plugins can do it and use their own backdrop(s) |
| 00:37:39 | Nico_P | ah ok |
| 00:38:26 | amiconn | The bitmap arrays can be defined with less ifdefing now, btw |
| 00:39:10 | amiconn | There are now LCD_FBWIDTH and LCD_FBHEIGHT macros |
| 00:39:23 | amiconn | (and the corresponding LCD_REMOTE_* versions as well) |
| 00:40:29 | amiconn | Hmm, maybe the backdrop buffers themselves should go in the screen structure... |
| 00:41:36 | Nico_P | amiconn: yes, that's what I was suggesting a bit earlier |
| 00:41:53 | Nico_P | myabe in a struct backdrop too |
| 00:43:20 | amiconn | Hmm, is the wps backdrop also loaded by load_bitmap() in wps_parser.c? |
| 00:43:58 | Nico_P | no, load_wps_backdrop(img_path) |
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| 00:44:07 | amiconn | ok |
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| 00:44:22 | Nico_P | which will actually call read_bmp_file |
| 00:44:41 | amiconn | Ah, so it's obvious why defining a remote wps backdrop makes the main backdrop vanish |
| 00:45:00 | Nico_P | that's exactly what I was going to say :) |
| 00:45:03 | amiconn | A backdrop needs to be exactly the same resolution as the screen |
| 00:45:30 | amiconn | ...and this mechanism tries to load the defined remote backdrop for the main lcd, which has a different resolution... |
| 00:45:34 | Nico_P | yeah so the Rbackdrop is declared invalid after having cleared the main one |
| 00:46:43 | Nico_P | in the current approach, we'd need new functions to load and unload remote_main and remote_wps backdrops. With a struct backdrop and functions working on it, it could be made more flexible |
| 00:47:06 | amiconn | So apps/recorder/backdrop.[ch] needs to be multi-screen api compliant (and moved to apps/gui/) |
| 00:47:26 | amiconn | Insert 'made' somewhere... |
| 00:47:39 | JdGordon | amiconn: if/when usbotg ever happens, I thinnk the assumption that a second screen would never be charcell is wrong |
| 00:47:53 | amiconn | JdGordon: oh? |
| 00:48:20 | Nico_P | amiconn: are you voluteering to do it or do you want me to try ? |
| 00:48:33 | Nico_P | I kinda like playing with this code :) |
| 00:48:39 | JdGordon | I have a few of these http://www.crystalfontz.com/ which work over usb that would be great for rockbox displays int he car... just waiting for usbotg to get them wrking |
| 00:49:24 | amiconn | That will be quite special anyway... so perhaps will get special support via plugin |
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| 00:50:20 | amiconn | But iirc someone mentioned that there are ipod remotes with (charcell) display... |
| 00:50:40 | amiconn | ...so if we manage to get the PP serial port working... |
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| 00:52:24 | amiconn | That remote lcd driver will be a challenge as I think it will have to deal with variable resolution (different remotes) |
| 00:53:05 | amiconn | Nico_P: If you like to play with this code, please go ahead |
| 00:53:16 | JdGordon | dont those ipo remotes do the display themselves by info given to them from the OF? |
| 00:53:34 | JdGordon | ... the OF doesnt know about the display any more than its a serial device attached |
| 00:54:11 | amiconn | Nico_P: One more hint - the backdrop loading already uses a 'struct bitmap' |
| 00:54:46 | amiconn | The lcd drivers will soon start using this structure (or a extended version) as well |
| 00:55:04 | Nico_P | amiconn: I see 'static bool load_backdrop(char* filename, fb_data* backdrop_buffer)' |
| 00:55:24 | Nico_P | hmm ok |
| 00:55:43 | amiconn | lcd_bitmap() and lcd_bitmap_part() will then just take a struct bitmap* instead of width, height, stride and the pointer to the bitmap data |
| 00:56:04 | amiconn | ...and there will be no more separate calls for mono, native and transparent bitmaps |
| 00:56:23 | Nico_P | it only uses the bitmap struct to pass it to read_bmp_file |
| 00:56:36 | Nico_P | amiconn: who is working on this new lcd driver ? you ? |
| 00:57:28 | amiconn | yes, I will |
| 00:57:54 | Nico_P | sounds nice... have you started coding yet ? |
| 00:58:21 | amiconn | Actually not, but I am working out the concept in my head |
| 00:58:41 | Nico_P | ok :) |
| 00:58:54 | amiconn | This will be related to the viewports stuff, and some more changes related to text output and scrolling text etc |
| 00:59:55 | Nico_P | this is going to be a major rework of all the displaying code then ? |
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| 01:00:10 | amiconn | It will also bring proper transparent bitamp support to greyscale and mono targets (via a mask bitmap which will be part of struct bitmap) |
| 01:01:05 | amiconn | I hope this will even cut binary size a bit, because lcd_bitmap[_part] calls will take less parameters -> less call overhead |
| 01:01:43 | amiconn | Unfortunately lcd_bitmap_part() will still have more than 4 parameters though (4 is the limit for regparms both on SH and arm) |
| 01:03:00 | Nico_P | the actual bitmap and the desired part ? |
| 01:03:32 | amiconn | yes |
| 01:04:06 | amiconn | And the desired placement of course |
| 01:04:17 | Nico_P | couldn't the part be described well enough by another struct bitmap ? |
| 01:04:55 | amiconn | no |
| 01:06:20 | amiconn | struct bitmap contains width, height, format (mono/native/transparent), and the pointer to the data |
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| 01:06:45 | amiconn | (two pointers on greyscale and mono targets) |
| 01:07:15 | amiconn | The part, however, needs x, y, width and height |
| 01:07:39 | Nico_P | ah yes... well that could be a nice struct rectangle, couldn't it ? |
| 01:08:28 | amiconn | It could, but I doubt that there would be an advantage using such a struct |
| 01:09:11 | amiconn | Well, you would only need to pass a pointer to that struct, but in turn you need to write the values of the struct member to memory before calling |
| 01:09:44 | amiconn | struct bitmap is different because the bitmap needs to be loaded into memory anyway (or is even already there, for built in bitmaps) |
| 01:09:53 | Nico_P | yeah, probably not much of an advantage |
| 01:10:35 | amiconn | bmp2rb will be changed to output such a struct as source of course |
| 01:11:06 | amiconn | I am also pondering to flip the mono format for the greyscale ipods (and maybe also the 16 bit targets) without changing the font format |
| 01:11:21 | amiconn | This needs experimenting and measuring speeds |
| 01:14:26 | Rob24 | Is there any way to make the emulator screen size bigger? (for 5g ipod video) |
| 01:15:11 | Nico_P | Rob24: ./rockboxui −−zoom |
| 01:15:35 | Rob24 | k |
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| 01:19:05 | Rob24 | where is rockboxui? |
| 01:20:26 | Nico_P | rockboxui is the simulator binary |
| 01:20:53 | Rob24 | how do i get to it to make the sceen bigger |
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| 01:26:05 | Nico_P | Rob24: do you have a running simulator ? |
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| 01:33:10 | Nico_P | anyone against the idea of a "−−debugwps" command line switch for the sim ? |
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| 01:36:41 | amiconn | Nico_P: Why would that be necessary? |
| 01:36:51 | amiconn | Just use DEBUGF() ... |
| 01:37:00 | amiconn | Sims are always debug enabled |
| 01:37:07 | Nico_P | amiconn: I have some debugging functions that are very verbose |
| 01:37:27 | Nico_P | can be quite annoying when not debugging the wps |
| 01:37:36 | amiconn | And if debugging isn't needed (anymore) in a module, it could be disabled at the top by |
| 01:37:44 | amiconn | #ifdef DEBUGF |
| 01:37:49 | amiconn | #undef DEBUGF |
| 01:37:56 | amiconn | #define DEBUGF() |
| 01:37:58 | amiconn | #endif |
| 01:38:22 | pixelma | yeah - I've seen those in one of the tokenizer patches... |
| 01:38:57 | Nico_P | well I had the debug code under an #if 0... but I felt a commandline switch to the sim would be more elegant |
| 01:39:27 | Nico_P | no need to recompile to choose whether to get the debug info or not |
| 01:39:48 | Nico_P | and like that the prebuilt sim binaries will have the capability |
| 01:40:17 | Nico_P | it can be very useful to WPS designers, but very annoying for others |
| 01:42:01 | Nico_P | it's a small patch : http://www.pastebin.ca/456727 |
| 01:44:26 | Nico_P | objections ? |
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| 01:48:03 | pixelma | Nico_P: is that on purpose that you ask at this time of day ;) |
| 01:48:49 | Nico_P | haha, maybe :) |
| 01:50:56 | pixelma | but actually (can't comment on from the coder side) but to me the output of it was already a bit too much to be usefull for a wps designer (one patch I tried didn't have it commented out) - wouldn't mind though but I doubt I'd use it myself |
| 01:51:36 | pixelma | (I meant one tokenizer patch had it still enabled) |
| 01:53:49 | Nico_P | pixelma: yes, maybe it could be tuned down |
| 01:54:09 | Nico_P | or maybe have different levels of verbosity :D |
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| 01:56:37 | mikestizzle | hello |
| 01:56:43 | mikestizzle | hello |
| 01:56:50 | Nico_P | hmm I think I'll just commit. It won't *hurt* anyone and in case it's too much I'll just tune it down a little |
| 01:56:55 | Nico_P | mikestizzle: hello |
| 01:57:07 | mikestizzle | what's up? |
| 01:58:27 | Soap | why not just leave it as a patch? Anyone who wants it is already compiling aren't they? |
| 01:59:32 | mikestizzle | i have a slight technical issue with rockbox on my Gigabeat, but I don't think it is specific to my hardware - anyone willing to help ? |
| 01:59:34 | Nico_P | Soap: actually it allows getting more debugging info without recompiling |
| 01:59:50 | Nico_P | Soap: info that can be very useful to WPS designers |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:42 | Soap | mikestizzle: you won't get an answer honey until you ask. ;) |
| 02:00:43 | Nico_P | ... that (it is my understanding) are the main target of precompiled sim binaries |
| 02:00:44 | Soap | then i misunderstood, Nico_P, I though it was a compile-time switch. |
| 02:00:58 | Nico_P | Soap: it was, the changes makes it a runtime one |
| 02:01:20 | mikestizzle | right on. Uh, this is probably a really simple thing, but I just dumped all of my music onto my player from my computer into a folder (with several subfolders), and let the database thing pick it up. but now in the database there are two entries for EVERY song, why is this? |
| 02:01:59 | | Part pixelma |
| 02:02:23 | Soap | mikestizzle: there are a variety of common causes, often there is a duplicate entry in the Recycle Bin. |
| 02:02:32 | mikestizzle | aha |
| 02:03:03 | mikestizzle | that's probably what it is! i deleted it, disconnected it, reset it and it was still there. Do I have to hook it back up to my computer or can I clear the recycle bin from inside of Rockbox? |
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| 02:05:22 | Soap | you can do it from your computer, might also want to trash your database and start over. |
| 02:05:51 | mikestizzle | soap: willdo. yeah I trashed my DB last time as well.. I think I did. what do I have to do to ensure the DB is wiped clean? |
| 02:07:21 | mikestizzle | Yup, it was left over stuff in the recycle bin. I can't believe I didn't think of that. Thanks a lot Soap |
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| 02:14:17 | mikestizzle | Soap: alright I cleared the recycler, but it's acting funny now. I think i need to reset the database. how do I do that? |
| 02:15:14 | Soap | THAT is where I come up short. The old database files to be deleted are mentioned in the forums. I, personally, never use the database - so I am weak on that subject. |
| 02:16:24 | Nico_P | funny quote from rasher's irc stats (sorry, 4 lines) : |
| 02:16:28 | Nico_P | Poor Peter D'Hoye, nobody likes him. He was attacked 2 times. |
| 02:16:28 | Nico_P | For example, like this: |
| 02:16:28 | Nico_P | * forehead slaps petur |
| 02:16:28 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Nico_P |
| 02:16:28 | Nico_P | himself seems to be unliked too. He/She got beaten 2 times. |
| 02:17:04 | scorche | hehe...that was me =) |
| 02:17:07 | mikestizzle | Soap: thanks a lot :) |
| 02:17:42 | Nico_P | scorche: nice one :) I also like how "himself" is unliked |
| 02:19:16 | mikestizzle | Awesome! I think everything is fine. You guys are really cool. Thanks a lot to everyone who develops Rockbox, the standard toshiba software didn't even work in the first place. |
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| 02:19:49 | pearldiver | mikestizzle it worked for me for 2 years without any troubles |
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| 02:21:17 | pearldiver | pain neck it causes is a completely different topic though |
| 02:21:17 | mikestizzle | pearldiver and then it quit? |
| 02:21:35 | pearldiver | mikestizzle then the rockbox port came |
| 02:22:28 | mikestizzle | i'm glad it came, I just got my Gigabeat last week when they were on sale for $100 |
| 02:23:26 | Soap | sweet price - new? |
| 02:23:27 | pearldiver | yeah that deal was too good to pass by |
| 02:23:43 | pearldiver | Soap it was $90 shipped actually |
| 02:23:56 | pearldiver | brand new |
| 02:23:59 | Soap | damn - which one? |
| 02:24:02 | Soap | F? |
| 02:24:03 | pearldiver | F40 |
| 02:24:06 | Soap | dang |
| 02:24:18 | Soap | that's as much CPU, RAM, and HD as my wife's laptop! |
| 02:24:25 | pearldiver | Soap they sold around 4000 units in 20 hours |
| 02:25:16 | mikestizzle | yeah they did, I got lucky I bought it fast enough. lots of people got backordered |
| 02:25:18 | pearldiver | i think it tops the amount they sold when it was actually available :P |
| 02:26:32 | mikestizzle | wouldn't surprise me. I would not have bought it if it was not for the price... the software had conflicts with some hardware I have, I had to turn off my external hard drive for it to even install, and it still didn't work then |
| 02:27:15 | mikestizzle | you guys are super cool, thank you a lot. I'm off to go play a game of quake. thanks again, i'll be around. |
| 02:27:16 | amiconn | preglow: Does the codec system allow to play 8 bit samples? |
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| 02:41:14 | steveo | the manual is a good place to start? |
| 02:43:42 | Soap | a great place. |
| 02:43:53 | Soap | Say hi to Chris P. |
| 02:44:11 | Soap | ;) |
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| 02:54:15 | Camjpn | hey can anyone answer my question? |
| 02:56:35 | pearldiver | just shoot the question |
| 02:57:00 | Camjpn | k, well i have a Gigabeat F20 |
| 02:57:25 | Camjpn | and everything is fine, but while im listening to music, it wont play any songs other than the artist im listening to.. |
| 02:57:33 | Camjpn | is there some option i need to change? |
| 02:57:42 | pearldiver | what do you mean by that exactly? |
| 02:58:49 | Camjpn | ok well, im listening to a band...and i have 5 songs,,after i listen to these 5 songs, of that artist...it wont change to the next artist |
| 02:58:51 | Camjpn | automatically |
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| 03:02:54 | Camjpn | ok i found out the problem |
| 03:02:56 | Camjpn | thanks anyways. |
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| 03:06:17 | Nico_P | amiconn: care to review a quick patch ? |
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| 03:07:17 | rob24 | Hey every one |
| 03:08:15 | rob24 | I have a question, any one up for awnsering it? |
| 03:08:30 | pearldiver | just shoot the question |
| 03:09:00 | rob24 | I want to know how to change the size of the screen when im playing a rom |
| 03:09:36 | rob24 | So its bigger and easier to read the text |
| 03:09:40 | Nico_P | rob24: aaahh the GB emulator ! Earlier I thought you were talking about the UI Simulator... sorry |
| 03:10:04 | pearldiver | options / screen options |
| 03:10:06 | rob24 | its allright |
| 03:10:16 | rob24 | k |
| 03:10:30 | pearldiver | (within the emulator itself) |
| 03:10:45 | rob24 | OH! allright kk |
| 03:12:07 | rob24 | kk thanks, *loads up pokemon red =P) sure im 15 but still love that pokeman red ;) |
| 03:13:40 | rob24 | oh, also another rom question, if a rom is running slower then all ther other roms then is it the rom its self thats slow? or soemthing else making it slow |
| 03:13:54 | preglow | amiconn: hmm, i think so |
| 03:14:19 | preglow | ask me again tomorrow |
| 03:14:20 | preglow | drunk now |
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| 03:14:40 | pearldiver | rob24 the rom itself |
| 03:14:47 | rob24 | kk thanks again |
| 03:14:50 | pearldiver | some games need more juice |
| 03:15:01 | preglow | i need more juice |
| 03:15:10 | rob24 | lol |
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| 03:16:18 | rob24 | Sh** f**k you radom acsesse battling system >.> |
| 03:16:20 | pearldiver | who doesnt |
| 03:16:55 | rob24 | DIE RATTATA! |
| 03:17:31 | rob24 | go squirtle go! |
| 03:18:19 | pearldiver | rob24 now thats slightly offtopic |
| 03:18:22 | rob24 | oh noes he is gonna die! |
| 03:18:26 | rob24 | oh yes yes sorry |
| 03:18:44 | steveo | so anyone have any idea when we will be able to fast forward movies? |
| 03:18:56 | rob24 | ...soon? |
| 03:19:28 | rob24 | hell if i want to watch a movie i will just switch from rock box to normal ipod |
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| 03:20:57 | pearldiver | steveo there're no estimate dates for those things |
| 03:21:12 | preglow | whenever someone blooduy codes it |
| 03:22:06 | steveo | =( thats the only problem i have, other then that its all good, would hate to start watching a move and stop half way through and have to wait for it to get to same spot |
| 03:22:25 | rob24 | man i wish i was smart enough to make a snes controllar wotk with fun box so i can finaly play these games XD |
| 03:22:36 | preglow | as would we all, but someone still has to code it |
| 03:23:02 | preglow | it's not exactly something the novices go for |
| 03:23:47 | pearldiver | steveo thats not really a "problem" when you have something else than ipod :P |
| 03:24:15 | pearldiver | more of a "advantage", if you know what i mean |
| 03:24:28 | pearldiver | ipod video that is |
| 03:24:39 | rob24 | and ipod you say?o-O i think i might have soemthing like that ;) |
| 03:25:35 | rob24 | wow, its kind of trippy when i go from playing a rom on full screen then all of a sudden it goes to the small texted menu @_@ |
| 03:25:37 | jhMikeS | preglow: don't you mean "whenever jhMikeS bloody codes it?" =:P lol |
| 03:25:54 | rob24 | lol ^−−−− |
| 03:26:15 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 03:26:15 | * | jhMikeS is working on it now anyway |
| 03:26:20 | pearldiver | orly |
| 03:27:20 | rob24 | whast a rewally good theme that doesnt look like fun box crappy default? |
| 03:27:27 | rob24 | *a really |
| 03:27:29 | jhMikeS | it's good cause I get to rewrite and debug a simpler playback engine outside rockbox then it can be incorporated in the core later |
| 03:27:36 | pearldiver | rob24 just browse the galleries |
| 03:27:43 | rob24 | kk |
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| 03:31:30 | rob24 | none of the themes in the galleries look like they would be any good for the ipod video |
| 03:31:37 | pearldiver | erm |
| 03:32:09 | pearldiver | are you browsing the iriver one by any chance? |
| 03:32:18 | pearldiver | :P |
| 03:32:32 | rob24 | ..yes XD |
| 03:33:35 | rob24 | wow O_O fire is prity trippy |
| 03:34:42 | rob24 | where would i find the gallery for ipods? if there is such a thing |
| 03:34:54 | rob24 | nvm |
| 03:35:12 | rob24 | gosh, no wounder i do so bad in scavanger hunts @_@ |
| 03:35:22 | rob24 | and spelling bees |
| 03:36:35 | steveo | ello i got a gigabeat f40, where am i able to download games for it? =) anyone know? (also wouldnt mind pokemon) |
| 03:37:00 | preglow | jhMikeS: hah,yes , that |
| 03:37:02 | rob24 | POKEMON!=P i have pokeman on my ipod video rock box =) |
| 03:37:10 | preglow | the king of punctuation strikes again |
| 03:37:21 | rob24 | lol |
| 03:37:31 | pearldiver | steveo that question is not for this channel |
| 03:37:32 | steveo | rob24 can u copy it and send it to me? |
| 03:38:01 | pearldiver | just google the little buggers |
| 03:38:26 | rob24 | how do you pm ppl in irc ?XD |
| 03:39:06 | steveo | click on there name |
| 03:39:19 | steveo | it will appear up the top next to the channle u are in |
| 03:39:26 | rob24 | kk |
| 03:41:30 | rob24 | wow some of the ipod themes r pritey trippy aswell =D |
| 03:43:42 | * | jhMikeS hates the gruntwork stage of this kind of stuff |
| 03:45:33 | rob24 | Im gonna take the yankees them and put the detroit tigers on it instead becuase the yankees can lick my ***ls |
| 03:45:39 | steveo | love plasma now if only i could get it projected on my roof! |
| 03:45:46 | rob24 | *yankees theam |
| 03:46:13 | rob24 | * plays pokeman red* |
| 03:47:18 | steveo | whats the diffrence between red diamond and peal? any real diffrence? |
| 03:47:33 | preglow | time for exquisite sleep |
| 03:47:36 | kkurbjun | amiconn, or someone that has an archos, does rockbox on the archos have a charging screen, or does it just sit in rockbox charging? |
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| 03:51:31 | jhMikeS | kkurbjun: you can navigate around and charge |
| 03:52:05 | pearldiver | oh tango icon set viewer icons stopped working, i wonder when that happened |
| 03:53:26 | kkurbjun | jhMikeS, I mean, can you turn the archos players off while charging? And what happens when a charger is initially plugged in, does it boot to rockbox? |
| 03:54:15 | jhMikeS | it boots to rockbox but you can't power off while charging |
| 03:54:52 | kkurbjun | ok, great, thanks for answering that. |
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| 04:26:55 | chrisjs169 | hmm...how can i encode mpg videos? (sansa) |
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| 04:29:42 | Soap | on the wiki page PluginMpegplayer there is a list of free tools. |
| 04:30:22 | Soap | including ffmpeg - the one you probably want to use, and WinFF - a windows frontend for it you will probably find dead easy. |
| 04:31:00 | Soap | between building for my nano and my video - should I make clean, or just run rbconf again in the "dirty" directory and then make? |
| 04:31:58 | chrisjs169 | i knew there was one tool that wasn't listed, ffmpeg |
| 04:32:00 | chrisjs169 | thanks |
| 04:32:49 | Soap | (it should be listed) |
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| 04:34:09 | Soap | hmm, perhaps I could make the WinFF paragraph about both. |
| 04:34:37 | pearldiver | is anybody using the tango icon set? |
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| 04:40:06 | steveo | i like how the movies are so small hehe u can have so many on there |
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| 05:23:48 | steveo | jhmikes ya there? |
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| 05:31:10 | jhMikeS | steveo: yep |
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| 05:34:35 | Pimpdaddypayne | Does anyone know the URL to install rockbox from inside of linux? |
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| 06:05:22 | Pimpdaddypayne | ah i got it...hmm |
| 06:05:31 | Pimpdaddypayne | now, how to transfer video/music? gtkpod? |
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| 06:25:36 | Reno | hi i got a question can anybody help me and tell me how to copy gameboy games to rockbox please? |
| 06:25:49 | Reno | i already have the gameboy roms? |
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| 06:29:50 | Reno | anybody on? |
| 06:30:19 | webguest03 | I recently downloaded and installed rockbox on my ipod color/photo to play flac and was very impressed for the most part. One thing that seemed a bit odd was my battery drained extremely fast. Is that a common occurence? |
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| 06:38:34 | Akiyuki | does anyone know where to get the mplayerplugin for rockbox? |
| 06:39:45 | JdGordon | it comes with rockbox |
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| 06:41:34 | Akiyuki | hmm, it's not in the plugin list |
| 06:41:53 | Akiyuki | also, when i click on a mpeg, the screen goes blank for a second, then returns to the file menu |
| 06:41:55 | JdGordon | its not a plugin....its a viewer |
| 06:41:58 | pearldiver | aliask hey |
| 06:42:03 | JdGordon | open a .mpeg and it will run |
| 06:42:07 | aliask | hey there pearldiver |
| 06:42:32 | pearldiver | was just looking at the player and noticed that the tango viewer icons stopped working |
| 06:42:56 | pearldiver | i got the "bulb" icon for everything |
| 06:43:20 | Akiyuki | dang |
| 06:43:37 | Akiyuki | i selected an mpeg, the screen went blank for 1-2 seconds, and it returned to the menu |
| 06:43:49 | JdGordon | pearldiver: is the bulb the ? icon? |
| 06:44:06 | pearldiver | JdGordon not really |
| 06:44:18 | JdGordon | ok, then its not that bug back :) |
| 06:44:33 | pearldiver | the other sets works perfectly |
| 06:44:39 | pearldiver | set* |
| 06:44:50 | Akiyuki | anyone have a test video i can try out? maybe its jut the file ihave |
| 06:45:05 | pearldiver | but i was looking at tango files and couldnt find anything wrong with them |
| 06:45:17 | JdGordon | Akiyuki: on the wiki there is elephants dream... |
| 06:45:38 | JdGordon | btw, wtf is that movie about? |
| 06:45:39 | steveo | hmm mine plays movies fine just need to convert em 1st with winff for em to play on mine |
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| 06:48:22 | steveo | ya a new ep of heroes finally |
| 06:48:23 | * | jhMikeS has a few mpeg movies that blank out and then exit and will find out what's odd about them |
| 06:48:34 | Akiyuki | wow..it's huge |
| 06:48:42 | Akiyuki | i thought maybe it would be a lot smaller for testing purposes |
| 06:48:56 | Akiyuki | jhMikeS, thats what mine does (only tried one so far) |
| 06:49:15 | steveo | atm i just got borat,300,jackass2 and a few eps of diffrent shows on mine |
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| 06:50:22 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: elephants dream did that to me also, i think its just bad corruption becausr recopying it fixed it |
| 06:50:57 | pearldiver | aliask any ideas? |
| 06:51:03 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: in that case it is, but it assumes the audio and video stream ids are 0xc0 and 0xe0 but they don't have to be |
| 06:51:47 | Akiyuki | Sometimes, I get 'plugin error' when trying to play some games |
| 06:51:53 | Akiyuki | pacman, for example |
| 06:52:27 | jhMikeS | you need the pacman roms...it's explained in the manual on what to find |
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| 06:53:58 | Akiyuki | ty |
| 06:54:15 | steveo | yeah i got the roms and stuff what do i open it with? |
| 06:54:34 | steveo | dosent want to just work lol |
| 06:55:39 | jhMikeS | gotta read up on it...it's all there and explains all the steps |
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| 06:57:27 | steveo | can u link me? i thought i read everything |
| 06:58:15 | Josiah | i need some help... i just installed rockbox, followed all the instructions, shut it down after making sure it worked, and now my ipod won't come back on |
| 06:59:15 | Josiah | and i'm panicing a bit |
| 06:59:27 | steveo | strange |
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| 07:00:42 | Josiah | alright, nevermind... i figured it out... i just freaked when it didn't start right back up |
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| 07:01:39 | steveo | lol |
| 07:03:58 | jhMikeS | well, the doom and pacman folders go inside .rockbox, I don't know if that info happens to be out of date or not |
| 07:05:18 | steveo | na that all worked i was wondering about other roms |
| 07:05:43 | steveo | pokmon and stuff =) |
| 07:06:07 | jhMikeS | Those you just select in the file browser I think. I've never tried them myself. |
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| 07:08:27 | steveo | hmm i must of done somthing wrong then |
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| 07:37:05 | amiconn | kkurbjun: Rockbox on the archos (except the Ondios which have no charging at all) does have a charging screen |
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| 07:38:39 | amiconn | *Most* archoses boot when plugging the charger. Some players do not, but I don't know about a pattern |
| 07:39:33 | amiconn | Rockbox doesn't allow to power down while charging, because of this fact (most units would just reboot) |
| 07:40:11 | amiconn | If you start by plugging in the charger, standard behaviour is to just go to the charging screen, unless car adaper mode is enabled |
| 07:41:34 | amiconn | The latter does not work on the player, because checking for this option requires it to reside in some kind of real nvram (the check whether to just sit in the charging screen or boot completely must be done before initing the hdd) |
| 07:41:44 | steveo | does it say when its full? other then by looking at the bar at the top? |
| 07:42:02 | amiconn | The recorders have an RTC for this, but the player doesn't |
| 07:42:31 | kkurbjun | amiconn, so it has a specialized charging mode then, I'm guessing if you hit the power button it will do a full boot of rockbox? |
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| 07:42:54 | amiconn | All this is of course only true when running rockbox from flash, because otherwise the archos firmware in ROM handles all this |
| 07:43:40 | amiconn | And not all archoses are flashable, some recorder v1s and most players aren't |
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| 07:44:22 | amiconn | kkurbjun: Yes, pushing the power button (ON) triggers a full boot |
| 07:44:45 | kkurbjun | I didn't realize that, is there a reason that a decision was made to have a charging screen rather then just fully booting rockbox? |
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| 07:46:01 | amiconn | (1) Iirc some people prefer it when the unit doesn't need to be fully on while charging |
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| 07:46:38 | amiconn | But (2) is more important: With too low battery it's often impossible to fully boot, because powering on the hdd makes the player die |
| 07:46:55 | M_M_K | I have a question....I've just installed rockbox 2.5 on a Archos Jukebox 6000, and I've noticed that if I try to shut the player down with the charger plugged in, the player freezes-if I then remove the charger plug, it then shuts down...is there a patch available? |
| 07:46:59 | amiconn | And since the recorder v1 has software controlled charging, this is a real problem |
| 07:47:13 | kkurbjun | I see, why do the h300's and ipods not allow the player to turn off when charging? |
| 07:47:29 | kkurbjun | at least the h300's have their own charging mode |
| 07:47:43 | kkurbjun | I don't know about the ipods |
| 07:47:59 | amiconn | M_M_K: Install the current build. It has that problem fixed, and a ton more fixes and improvements |
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| 07:48:34 | M_M_K | I d/l ed it from the rockbox site yesterday! |
| 07:48:36 | kkurbjun | the reason I am curious is I have been playing around with the gigabeat and I'm looking for guidelines on what should be the expected behaviour when charging |
| 07:48:43 | amiconn | kkurbjun: For the exact same reason: they would reboot |
| 07:49:01 | M_M_K | or did I d/l the wrong version? |
| 07:49:36 | amiconn | M_M_K: Yes, but you downloaded the 2.5 release which is very old by now, unfortunately |
| 07:49:57 | kkurbjun | ok, so players should allow the device to be turned off while charging unless there is a problem (such as rebooting) |
| 07:50:13 | M_M_K | what is the correct one-remember this is the OLD JB 6000 |
| 07:50:34 | amiconn | Pick the player build from "current builds" |
| 07:50:34 | kkurbjun | and if we have our own code running in the flash the ideal would be to have a charging screen unless car adapter mode is enabled |
| 07:50:44 | scorche | kkurbjun: can you please add yourself to the devcon-west wikipage if you ahevnt done so already? |
| 07:50:55 | M_M_K | ok..that's where I messed up! |
| 07:50:58 | M_M_K | thanks |
| 07:51:04 | kkurbjun | scorche, will do |
| 07:51:16 | amiconn | Even though the player family (JB 5000 / 6000 / Studio) is the oldest one supported by rockbox, development hasn't stopped |
| 07:52:18 | amiconn | E.g. just a month ago unicode support on the player was vastly improved (by me :) ). Now it can not only display standard latin text but also some extended latin, cyrillic and greek |
| 07:52:51 | M_M_K | good:I just ended up with a used one(WORKING)!, and frankly, the Archos f/w is lousy |
| 07:53:09 | amiconn | It is. Guess why rockbox exists? :) |
| 07:53:34 | M_M_K | Even with the 2.5 version, I see many improvements |
| 07:54:22 | M_M_K | the one that surprised me the most, was that the audio quality actually improved |
| 07:55:17 | M_M_K | I can't see how, considering that the MP3 playback is in hardware |
| 07:55:42 | amiconn | kkurbjun: Rockbox targets fall in two (or three) categories regarding charging. (1) The target does *not* boot when plugging the charger, then rockbox should allow to shutdown as if the charger isn't connected |
| 07:56:09 | amiconn | (2) The target *does* boot when plugging the charger, then rockbox should block shutdown |
| 07:56:24 | amiconn | ((3) is for the Ondios, no charging at all) |
| 07:57:10 | amiconn | The iriver H1xx falls in category (1) and afaik are the only targets which do |
| 07:57:35 | amiconn | Iriver H300, iPods and iAudio X5 and M5 definitely fall in category (2) |
| 07:57:53 | amiconn | ...as well as archos players and recorder |
| 07:57:55 | amiconn | s |
| 07:58:27 | kkurbjun | amiconn, and the idea would be 1 to allow for charging on an extremely low battery, correct? gigabeats have a charging screen builtin to the existing bootloader as well, unless you mess around with the patches shoora has created |
| 07:59:07 | amiconn | Yes, but since LiPo charging is (mostly) hardware controlled it is less of a problem |
| 07:59:59 | kkurbjun | as you can just let it keep trying to boot until it has enough of a charge? |
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| 08:00:20 | amiconn | On the X5 and M5 the cowon loader handles charging when plugging the charger and the unit is off. The rockbox bootloader comes after that |
| 08:00:51 | amiconn | As long as we want to keep the cowon loader and hence brick safety, this can't be changed |
| 08:01:31 | kkurbjun | on the x5 and m5 if you allowed the player to shutdown it wouldn't reboot to the charging screen? |
| 08:03:01 | kkurbjun | oh, they do allow poweroff while charging, sorry about htat |
| 08:04:52 | kkurbjun | amiconn, thanks for the information |
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| 08:07:29 | amiconn | No, they don't |
| 08:07:40 | amiconn | Rockbox doesn't allow to power them down while charging |
| 08:08:09 | amiconn | And if you start them by plugging in, they will show a charging screen, but it's not ours |
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| 08:08:38 | kkurbjun | In the header files they #define HAVE_POWEROFF_WHILE_CHARGING |
| 08:09:06 | amiconn | oh? |
| 08:09:48 | kkurbjun | I havn't updated in a bit, but its there in my tree |
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| 08:10:39 | M_M_K | I just installed it...still does not act right...when I select shutdown, it says battery:charging, and then it goes back to menu-and if I try to shut down again, I get an error message |
| 08:11:22 | M_M_K | the archos f/w lets me shut down with the charger in... |
| 08:11:35 | kkurbjun | amiconn, so if the firmware boots into a charging screen that is not our own we should not allow them to shutdown? |
| 08:11:35 | amiconn | It saying battery: charging is correct. You cannot shut down the player while the charger is connected |
| 08:11:49 | M_M_K | why not? |
| 08:12:09 | amiconn | The archos firmware may allow you to "shut dowm", but not to shut down for real. It certainly goes into a charging screen then |
| 08:12:27 | amiconn | It's how the hardware works |
| 08:12:33 | M_M_K | it goes there, and then goes back to the menu |
| 08:12:58 | steveo | same with the gigabeat it will shutdown then an orange power cord comes on screen for charging |
| 08:12:59 | amiconn | M_M_K: I don't understand? |
| 08:13:04 | M_M_K | does that mean that charging will take longer in that mode? |
| 08:13:05 | kkurbjun | hmm, I need to find where that code is, if I just include that define, (or take it out it rather) I do not get that charging popup on the gigabeat like the h300 |
| 08:14:09 | amiconn | kkurbjun: The popup only appears on the archos player when trying to shutdown from the menu, and on recorder v1 when trying to Off-Off shutdown from menu or browser |
| 08:14:27 | amiconn | That doesn't have to do with power-on behaviour, but with power-off behaviour |
| 08:14:35 | M_M_K | amiconn:the archos f/w at least SEEMS to shut down properly, or is this just an issue of different screens? |
| 08:15:41 | amiconn | M_M_K: Note that I didn't look at the player archos firmware for ages now as I simply don't have it in flash anymore, but on (most) players it _cannot_ do a real shutdown |
| 08:15:41 | M_M_K | I can certainly live with this behavor, but it seems odd |
| 08:15:42 | kkurbjun | amiconn, I get that popup on an old build for the h300 as well. (unfortunately the hard drive mostly died and I havn't updated in a while) |
| 08:16:12 | M_M_K | I'm not running it in flash |
| 08:16:22 | amiconn | It's a hardware limitiation. The hardware powers on when plugging the charger, and cannot be shut down while the charger is plugged |
| 08:17:06 | amiconn | I thought the archos fw has an own charging screen in this case |
| 08:17:24 | M_M_K | so it's just a issue of what screen is showing |
| 08:17:28 | amiconn | yes |
| 08:17:57 | M_M_K | the archos screen only comes up if you plug in the charger with the player OFF |
| 08:18:32 | M_M_K | if the player is on, then the RB charge screen comes up |
| 08:18:34 | amiconn | The freeze when trying to shutdown from the menu in rockbox 2.5 was due to rockbox trying to shutdown even though it's not possible |
| 08:18:53 | M_M_K | ahh..that makes sense |
| 08:19:21 | amiconn | If your player would be one of the very few that does allow real shutdown with the charger plugged then this would have worked instead of causing a freeze |
| 08:21:20 | amiconn | kkurbjun: Hmm, on the X5 rockbxo does indeed allow to shut down with the charger plugged. It causes the X5 to reboot into the cowon charging screen of course, and that causes a nasty hdd click... |
| 08:21:22 | M_M_K | well there's still a small bug:after shutting down, if you reselect shutdown, you get an error message and a freeze(which self-corrects when you unplug the charger) |
| 08:21:38 | amiconn | Oh really? |
| 08:21:48 | amiconn | That would be still a bug then |
| 08:21:51 | * | amiconn checks |
| 08:22:43 | M_M_K | and remember, since the player goes back to the menu screen, you can't tell easily if it was shutdown or not |
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| 08:23:08 | M_M_K | it's not a major deal though |
| 08:23:10 | amiconn | Huh? Of course you can. If it's shut down, nothing is displayed |
| 08:23:37 | amiconn | The green led will also tell you, since it's hardwired |
| 08:23:43 | M_M_K | no, remember you can't shut down while charging |
| 08:23:54 | M_M_K | so the light is on either way |
| 08:24:23 | * | amiconn doesn't understand? |
| 08:24:29 | amiconn | [08:22:42] <M_M_K> and remember, since the player goes back to the menu screen, you can't tell easily if it was shutdown or not |
| 08:24:42 | amiconn | If it was shut down, it doesn't go back to the menu... |
| 08:24:55 | M_M_K | but the battery charging screen goes away in a few seconds, to be replaced by the menu |
| 08:25:30 | kkurbjun | that's interesting, there's code to set the charging_input_state for the H300's battery, but all the rest that have charging don't show the splash, or appear to have the ability to go to the CHARGER state |
| 08:25:32 | M_M_K | again, you AGREED that the player can't be fully shutdown in charging mode |
| 08:25:37 | amiconn | The battery charging is just a splash telling you why it isn't possible to shut down atm |
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| 08:26:05 | M_M_K | that's not what i'm seeing |
| 08:26:08 | amiconn | It's not a screen of its own (even though it may look like it on the player) |
| 08:26:34 | amiconn | YOu said you see battery: charging pop up and then go back to the menu after 2 seconds. That's like it should be |
| 08:26:55 | kkurbjun | line 937 in powermgmt.c has the code for the H300 battery to put it in the CHARGER state |
| 08:27:19 | amiconn | This "battery: charging" is *not* rockbox's charging screen. The latter can only appear when you have rockbox in flash |
| 08:28:35 | M_M_K | ok, but at that point, if you forget if you shut the unit down, and try to shut it again-it crashes. |
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| 08:29:10 | amiconn | M_M_K: It doesn't do this here if you wait long enough between tries, but I get a CPUAdrErr when trying too early... |
| 08:29:14 | kkurbjun | nevermind, found the code that sets the charger state elsewhere |
| 08:29:31 | amiconn | Didn't notice before; this is a bug... |
| 08:29:38 | M_M_K | and the RB shutdown screen IS slightly different than the Archos one, even if not in flash |
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| 08:30:07 | amiconn | I talked about the charging screen, not shutdown |
| 08:30:36 | M_M_K | I'm talking about the charging screen |
| 08:31:07 | amiconn | Yes, but you say that you're not running rockbox from flash, hence you can't know rockbox's charging screen |
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| 08:32:15 | M_M_K | the 2 are defferent(the archos one is slightly different than the RB one) |
| 08:32:56 | M_M_K | the flash one might be different than either of the above though |
| 08:34:22 | M_M_K | first of all, the archos charging screen is in all caps, the rb one is mixed case, also the rb one has a : in it |
| 08:36:06 | M_M_K | also, I've noticed that in the charge mode, if you then pull the charger plug, it still crashes if you try to shut it down |
| 08:36:27 | amiconn | Again, "Battery: charging" is _not_ the charging screen, it's the charging splash that is just meant to tell you why shutdown can't be performed atm |
| 08:36:55 | M_M_K | ok, |
| 08:37:07 | M_M_K | I understand that |
| 08:37:14 | amiconn | That's why it goes away after 2 seconds |
| 08:37:52 | M_M_K | but why the crash if I unplug the charger and then try to shut it down? |
| 08:38:37 | M_M_K | or do I just have to wait longer |
| 08:38:55 | amiconn | It doesn't have to do with whether you unplug the charger or not. It also crashes if you try to shutdown repeatedly and don't wait long enough between tries |
| 08:38:56 | M_M_K | if so, still a minor bug |
| 08:39:06 | amiconn | [08:29:09] <amiconn> M_M_K: It doesn't do this here if you wait long enough between tries, but I get a CPUAdrErr when trying too early... |
| 08:39:12 | amiconn | [08:29:30] <amiconn> Didn't notice before; this is a bug... |
| 08:40:40 | steveo | every time i try play say... pokemon i get not enough memory msg |
| 08:40:44 | steveo | what am i doing wrong? |
| 08:40:45 | M_M_K | ok I just shut the unit down(well not really)with the charger in...I then unplugged the charger, the unit remained on |
| 08:40:59 | kkurbjun | steveo, are you on the gigabeat? |
| 08:41:03 | steveo | yes |
| 08:41:09 | kkurbjun | stop playback |
| 08:41:17 | steveo | how? |
| 08:41:33 | kkurbjun | hit power once to take you to the wps screen |
| 08:41:36 | kkurbjun | and then hit A |
| 08:41:46 | amiconn | M_M_K: That's also correct |
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| 08:42:08 | amiconn | The unit will only shutdown if you do it with the charger unplugged |
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| 08:42:35 | M_M_K | so how should I shutdown in this case? |
| 08:42:38 | amiconn | Otherwise it *just tells you* that it can't shut down and continues to function as normal |
| 08:42:50 | amiconn | You shut down *after* unplugging the charger |
| 08:43:21 | M_M_K | so it can't sense the charger being unplugged |
| 08:43:44 | amiconn | It can, and does, for powermanagement |
| 08:43:55 | steveo | kkurbjun didnt work |
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| 08:44:09 | amiconn | But why should it shut down immediately after unplugging? That doesn't make sense... |
| 08:44:32 | M_M_K | the archos f/w does |
| 08:44:34 | steveo | still getting not enough memory |
| 08:44:47 | kkurbjun | and music is not playing correct? |
| 08:44:53 | B4gder | M_M_K: we don't care much what the original firmware does you know... |
| 08:45:11 | B4gder | we want Rockbox to act sensible on its own |
| 08:45:13 | M_M_K | (remember that I tried to shut down) |
| 08:45:21 | B4gder | yes, but you couldn't |
| 08:45:27 | B4gder | then perhaps you continue to listen to music |
| 08:45:29 | M_M_K | ok I understand that |
| 08:45:31 | amiconn | Then the archos firmware probably goes into it's charging *screen*. Rockbox does not, as I already explained several times |
| 08:45:31 | B4gder | and later pull the charger |
| 08:45:38 | B4gder | why would it then shutdown? |
| 08:46:04 | steveo | and then if i try one of the others i get "unknown sram size (some numbers)" |
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| 08:46:14 | steveo | no music playing |
| 08:46:28 | amiconn | SInce the hardware can't be shut down for real, rockbox just tells you that it can't and allows you to continue using it like normal |
| 08:47:18 | M_M_K | ok, so it does not, what is the correct way to shut down after doing the above(pulling the charger plug after doing the rb "shutdown" mode without crashing it |
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| 08:48:00 | M_M_K | I understand that I'm better off unplugging the unit and then shutting down |
| 08:48:17 | amiconn | Just unplug and choose "Shutdown" from the menu... |
| 08:49:15 | amiconn | It doesn't crash as long as you wait a little bit after the first splash (from trying to shutdown with the charger plugged) disappeared... |
| 08:49:32 | amiconn | A little bit means half a second or so... |
| 08:49:34 | M_M_K | ok..the last time I tried that, it crashed..it worked this time-I guess I did not wait long enough before |
| 08:49:55 | M_M_K | I waited longer than that, I think |
| 08:50:22 | M_M_K | but it's clearer now |
| 08:50:30 | kkurbjun | steveo, it sounds like you have bad rom files, invalid sram size means that either the header for your rom is messed up or it is a really unique game, how big are the files that you are trying to load? |
| 08:50:32 | * | amiconn wonders why it crashes... and where. The crash address displayed is within the UIEn block itself... |
| 08:51:58 | M_M_K | either way, now that I understand the behaviour, I can avoid the conditions that cause it |
| 08:53:17 | amiconn | It's in the menu code... |
| 08:53:37 | M_M_K | interesting |
| 08:53:59 | steveo | ones 65mb another 15mb and so on |
| 08:54:25 | kkurbjun | those don't sound like gameboy/gameboy color game sizes |
| 08:54:44 | kkurbjun | I've never seen a game larger then a couple of megs |
| 08:54:52 | kkurbjun | and 65 megs won't load on your player |
| 08:54:57 | kkurbjun | on any player |
| 08:55:15 | steveo | interesting hmm |
| 08:56:11 | kkurbjun | largest file I have is a gameboy color game and that is 4 MB |
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| 08:59:22 | steveo | lol there we go got a gameboy one to work now i got to find a gb colour one |
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| 09:09:57 | M_M_K | thanks for the info! |
| 09:10:05 | M_M_K | later all |
| 09:10:09 | amiconn | M_M_K: |
| 09:10:21 | amiconn | It crashes when holding Play on that menu item for too long |
| 09:10:36 | amiconn | ...independently on whether the charger is plugged or not |
| 09:10:47 | amiconn | Could you verify this? |
| 09:11:12 | M_M_K | on which menu item−−shutdown? |
| 09:11:16 | amiconn | yes |
| 09:11:27 | M_M_K | ok just a sec |
| 09:11:49 | M_M_K | yep that does it |
| 09:11:54 | amiconn | You're (normally) supposed to do a short press on the menu item. With a long press it crashes here |
| 09:12:17 | amiconn | Okay, so I can reproduce it reliably |
| 09:12:34 | amiconn | Now I "just" have to find out why it does that, and fix it.. |
| 09:12:43 | M_M_K | sounds good! |
| 09:13:07 | * | amiconn has a suspicion |
| 09:13:13 | amiconn | JdGordon: around? |
| 09:13:21 | M_M_K | yep, if you just press it, it works ok |
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| 09:15:05 | M_M_K | but I suspect that other related issues might cause it too(but the easiest way to find out, is to fix the reproduceable part, and see if any other issues remain) |
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| 09:17:18 | M_M_K | A different question:how does RB manage to improve the sound of the JB6000-I thought that most of the decoding and audio was in hardware |
| 09:17:52 | M_M_K | It certainly does it, just wondering how? |
| 09:18:09 | JdGordon | amiconn: hey |
| 09:18:45 | amiconn | JdGordon: There seems to be something wrong in the menu code, probably related to the context-menu-on-menuitem thing |
| 09:19:01 | JdGordon | hmm... oh? |
| 09:19:06 | amiconn | On the Player, the shutdown item makes rockbox crash when holding Play on it... |
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| 09:19:22 | amiconn | (crash with CPUAdrErr that is) |
| 09:19:42 | steveo | gba work? or only gb and gbc? |
| 09:19:53 | kkurbjun | only gc and gbc |
| 09:20:09 | kkurbjun | sorry, gb |
| 09:20:44 | JdGordon | amiconn: ok, ill have a look later.. heading out for a bit |
| 09:23:05 | M_M_K | A different question:how does RB manage to improve the sound of the JB6000-I thought that most of the decoding and audio was in hardware |
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| 09:23:20 | M_M_K | It certainly does it, just wondering how? |
| 09:24:26 | B4gder | M_M_K: its not about the actual decoding |
| 09:24:33 | B4gder | but more about how RB speaks with (other) hw |
| 09:24:40 | B4gder | afair |
| 09:24:41 | amiconn | Well, on the recorder it's even more obvious. Somehow the archos recorder firmware manages to create a very audible background noise |
| 09:24:50 | amiconn | That doesn't happen in rockbox |
| 09:25:21 | steveo | ok cool gbc work hard to find em tho unless some of u know some sites =o hehe |
| 09:25:28 | steveo | i only got 3 games |
| 09:27:27 | M_M_K | ok, I was surprised, because I thought that h/w mods were needed to improve the 6000 audio |
| 09:28:22 | M_M_K | in any case, rb is quite an impressive piece of work |
| 09:29:54 | steveo | im very happy with it, kicks ass compared to the shit my gigabeat came with |
| 09:30:52 | M_M_K | I'm talking about a OLD unit, the archos jukebox 6000 |
| 09:31:02 | steveo | =o |
| 09:31:21 | M_M_K | that was their 1'st gen HD-based unit |
| 09:31:35 | M_M_K | and the warts DO show! |
| 09:31:43 | B4gder | the first target Rockbox ran on |
| 09:31:55 | LinusN | M_M_K: well, the oldest 6000 units did benefit from a capacitor change to enhance the bass response |
| 09:32:08 | M_M_K | and archos stopped updating the f/w in 2002 |
| 09:32:23 | LinusN | can't really blame them :-) |
| 09:32:39 | M_M_K | linusn, how do I know if my unit was one of the units you mention? |
| 09:32:44 | B4gder | my favourite archos flaw is their playlist handling |
| 09:32:56 | LinusN | M_M_K: not really sure |
| 09:32:58 | B4gder | how loading a 999 song list could take several minutes |
| 09:33:33 | * | linuxstb_ likes the entry he read in one of the Archos firmware changelogs - "display timer icon during track changes"... |
| 09:33:36 | LinusN | B4gder: and how the auto-poweroff kicked in before it was done :-) |
| 09:33:46 | M_M_K | Linusn, the unit DOES seem base-weak, but it actually seems better in rb |
| 09:33:55 | B4gder | LinusN: ah yes, I had forgot that beauty |
| 09:34:11 | scorche | B4gder: bah...i keep fergetting to look at why rockbox is so much slower than the original firmware when changing songs.. |
| 09:34:16 | LinusN | B4gder: they fixed that later, iirc |
| 09:34:45 | LinusN | scorche: which target? |
| 09:35:00 | scorche | LinusN: well, tested on the v1 |
| 09:35:14 | LinusN | M_M_K: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jstewart228368/archos-modification.html |
| 09:35:45 | scorche | it seems to be longer on folders that have more files in them |
| 09:35:49 | LinusN | scorche: it all depends on if the next track is buffered or not |
| 09:36:10 | M_M_K | I think I've been there already, but thanks |
| 09:36:44 | scorche | LinusN: i know...but it makes me wonder how the original firmware buffers in order to have near-instantaneous track changing when rockbox takes 5 seconds |
| 09:37:08 | scorche | (i didnt observe this, as i have my files organized....this was on my dad's device) |
| 09:37:19 | scorche | but i tested on mine, and it acted the same |
| 09:37:53 | LinusN | scorche: rockbox is rather conservative when it comes to buffering, so it doesn't start playback until there is a fair amount of mp3 data in the buffer |
| 09:38:13 | M_M_K | yep, I've been there-frankly, it's not so bad that it's worth me modding it |
| 09:38:37 | M_M_K | (my tech skills are up to it though) |
| 09:41:43 | scorche | LinusN: alright...makes sense...however, why is it *so* conservative so as to take over 5 seconds at times; it seems that something like that should be tuned down a bit |
| 09:42:06 | LinusN | i don't really remember |
| 09:42:38 | LinusN | and i can imagine that fragmentation can make it slower to find the file on disk |
| 09:43:34 | scorche | also, that doesnt really explain why it isnt noticeable when there few files in the folder, but is extremely noticeable on folders with a ton of files in it...does that not imply that something could be done faster when rockbox "finds" the files to play? |
| 09:43:36 | LinusN | one possible optimization could be to open the next file speculatively |
| 09:43:55 | scorche | fragmentation wasnt really an issue, as i tested on mine as well and got the same results |
| 09:44:08 | LinusN | scorche: on the contrary, that explains perfectly well why it takes longer to find some files |
| 09:44:28 | LinusN | a long directory takes longer to search than a short one |
| 09:44:59 | scorche | yes, but does that mean that the archos firmware is faster at that as well? |
| 09:45:16 | LinusN | perhaps it caches the directory better? |
| 09:45:45 | * | scorche wishes he could just open up the OF's source |
| 09:46:10 | LinusN | i honestly don't care what the OF does |
| 09:46:28 | LinusN | profile the rockbox code and make it faster |
| 09:46:53 | * | scorche adds that to the list |
| 09:47:10 | LinusN | my guess is that open() takes a long time to find the file |
| 09:47:34 | LinusN | especially if the directories are big and the path had many levels |
| 09:47:36 | scorche | i really dont care either...just when it shows something like that, it seems to indicate they are doing something right that we arent |
| 09:47:56 | scorche | so how would i make open() faster? |
| 09:48:01 | LinusN | dircache |
| 09:48:06 | LinusN | or similar |
| 09:48:17 | scorche | on devices with that amount of ram? |
| 09:48:40 | linuxstb_ | LinusN: What about your suggestion 5 minutes ago to call open() speculatively? |
| 09:48:41 | LinusN | for example, you could open() the next track speculatively |
| 09:48:50 | LinusN | :-) |
| 09:49:11 | B4gder | but i guess disk spin-up time etc still applies |
| 09:49:17 | LinusN | of course |
| 09:49:42 | B4gder | and a powered-off disk easily take 3 seconds |
| 09:49:57 | LinusN | but i am pretty sure that archos has the same problem at times, and not all track changes are instant |
| 09:50:07 | B4gder | true |
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| 09:50:22 | scorche | of course, but the thing is, the OF doesnt take near as long as rockbox does, which means something can be done to better it |
| 09:50:23 | LinusN | there is one issue with rockbox that gives the impression that rockbox is slower |
| 09:50:57 | LinusN | and that is that rockbox doesn't react on the button press until the next track starts playing, i.e it keeps playing the current track |
| 09:51:08 | LinusN | which gives a really sluggish impression |
| 09:52:02 | scorche | i am not talking about impressions though...this is a timed fact |
| 09:53:02 | LinusN | i once put a lot of effort in starting the playback as soon as possible on track changes |
| 09:53:10 | LinusN | but the code has changed a lot since then |
| 09:53:35 | LinusN | that was back in the days when i was the playback code ninja |
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| 09:55:21 | scorche | should i bring it up with our newer playback ninjas for hints on improving? |
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| 10:03:54 | M_M_K | later all |
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| 10:04:43 | LinusN | scorche: the newer playback ninjas have no clue about the archos playback code |
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| 10:09:50 | markun | LinusN: someone kept posting false info on the Gigabeat wikipedia page, and now it turned out the info on the official australian Gigabeat page from Toshiba has the same false claims.. |
| 10:10:26 | LinusN | how lame |
| 10:10:38 | B4gder | hahaha |
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| 10:20:33 | markun | LinusN, B4gder: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gigabeat#Gigabeat_X_specs |
| 10:24:45 | Topy44 | could it be that the X5's "subpack" is total crap and defective by default? |
| 10:24:48 | Topy44 | <== annoyed |
| 10:25:02 | B4gder | why? |
| 10:25:42 | Topy44 | because the line in's right channel only works if i move the subpack to the total right, while the usb port only works properly if i move it to the total left |
| 10:25:59 | Topy44 | and the X5 and subpack are only about 2 weeks old and barely used |
| 10:26:31 | Topy44 | if the subpack is not in the EXACTLY correct position, it will show "connected" for 2 seconds and then display "OK to disconnect" |
| 10:27:07 | B4gder | mine has never acted that way |
| 10:27:52 | B4gder | but I've never used line-in on it either |
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| 10:28:47 | Topy44 | well, i mainly got mine for recording |
| 10:29:24 | Topy44 | anyway, i got myself a badge of matching connectors from qables.com |
| 10:29:24 | Topy44 | so i will make a custom line-in cable and meaby a subpack-replacement |
| 10:29:29 | Topy44 | the qables.com connectors fit much more tightly and they have snap in clamps |
| 10:29:55 | Topy44 | at 2,50 euros each well worth doing |
| 10:31:25 | Topy44 | btw, i am getting weird noises on my recordings, probably due to harddisk access... |
| 10:31:30 | Topy44 | quite annoying really |
| 10:32:01 | Topy44 | not from the mics (they are far away and the room volume is far to high to record the disk) |
| 10:32:08 | Topy44 | but probably electronic interference |
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| 10:32:43 | Topy44 | probably caused by the DAC of the X5 |
| 10:32:58 | Topy44 | i wonder if there is some way to avoid that... |
| 10:35:07 | petur | Topy44: you should have gotten yourself an h3x0 or h1x0 (if you could find them) - no subpack and very nice recordings to be made ;) |
| 10:37:38 | Topy44 | yes, i figured that out by now... but alltogether, i AM quite happy with the X5 |
| 10:37:59 | Topy44 | besides, there is no way returning it as i dented it the first day i got it....... :( |
| 10:38:35 | petur | at least you got rockbox on it ;) |
| 10:38:37 | Topy44 | the subpack should no longer be a problem after i made a custom cable |
| 10:38:48 | Topy44 | hehe, well, the original firmware is not bad actually imho |
| 10:39:04 | Topy44 | but luckily dualboot is working fine |
| 10:39:09 | petur | h3x0 firmware sucks for recording |
| 10:39:22 | petur | which is how I ended up here ;) |
| 10:40:11 | Topy44 | i had serious trouble recording with rockbox when i recorded an entire festival... |
| 10:40:47 | petur | long ago? |
| 10:40:47 | Topy44 | there were several "warning:00000002" errors, but i didnt know what was happening so i just let it continue |
| 10:40:50 | Topy44 | it turned out it corrupted the FAT, lost several hours of recordings and overwritten most of the old hd content |
| 10:40:55 | Topy44 | about 2-3 weeks |
| 10:41:00 | petur | ouch |
| 10:41:01 | Topy44 | just after i got my x5 |
| 10:41:14 | Topy44 | i rescued most of the recordings the hardcore way: |
| 10:41:17 | Topy44 | made a disk image |
| 10:41:24 | Topy44 | split it into 2gb chunks |
| 10:41:32 | Topy44 | and opened them as raw files in wavelab |
| 10:41:42 | amiconn | Topy44: The X5 OF only records to mp3 afaik |
| 10:41:43 | Topy44 | and then cutting together the recordings sample by sample |
| 10:41:49 | Topy44 | amiconn, correct |
| 10:41:57 | Topy44 | which is why i used rockbox for recording |
| 10:42:10 | Topy44 | (and because the gain indicator of the OF sucks) |
| 10:42:23 | petur | seems jhMikeS still has some bug lurking in there |
| 10:42:57 | Topy44 | but then again, recording to mp3 reduces hd write intervals, reducing my problems with access noise... and 320kbit mp3 really doesnt sound that bad |
| 10:43:13 | amiconn | LinusN: I think the archoses should pause playback as soon as you press skip and the new track isn't buffered, like the swocdec engine does |
| 10:43:18 | Topy44 | anyway, i wasnt able to reproduce the bug |
| 10:43:28 | Topy44 | it only happened at that HUGE 2-day recording session |
| 10:43:33 | amiconn | Another reason for unification... |
| 10:43:45 | Topy44 | i recorded like 25 hours or so in 2 days |
| 10:44:17 | petur | well it shouldn't have happened... |
| 10:44:40 | Topy44 | true, but as said, i could not reproduce the bug, so i have no clue where to start... |
| 10:44:55 | Topy44 | but as a fact, the recording code on the x5 is not entirely stable yet |
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| 10:46:37 | petur | strange, because jhMikeS always takes his x5 as an example of how well it works ;) |
| 10:46:58 | petur | works perfectly on my h380 since his last (big) bugfix |
| 10:46:58 | Topy44 | hm :) |
| 10:47:21 | Topy44 | i wonder if he has had the same problems with the hd access noise... couldnt find anything on the net about it |
| 10:47:34 | Topy44 | occures with the OF aswell, so it seems to be a hw problem |
| 10:47:54 | petur | hmmmm I haven't done any big recordings during the last 2-3 weeks..... |
| 10:48:22 | Topy44 | i will do a test recording in the next days, just recording from a line signal for as long as the battery lasts |
| 10:48:28 | amiconn | hdd noise in a line-in recording is due to bad shielding/grounding, so nothing fixable in firmware |
| 10:48:40 | amiconn | It often varies across individual units |
| 10:49:03 | Topy44 | amiconn, yes, i expected that... i wonder if its fixable (lets say by using shielded cables from the line in to the DAC) |
| 10:49:53 | Topy44 | i AM willing to open and mod my X5L if i had a clue what EXACTLY causes the problem |
| 10:49:53 | Topy44 | i will post a sample of the noise later |
| 10:50:15 | Topy44 | its really just a problem when compressing/normalizing the signal, its quite faint normally |
| 10:50:48 | Topy44 | but at concerts where i cannot access the recorder during the concert i'd rather stay on the safe side with gain settings and normalize it afterwards |
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| 10:50:58 | * | jhMikeS was heading for bed and glanced in and now needs a shot of whiskey to prepare for interrogation :) |
| 10:51:40 | Topy44 | hehe |
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| 10:53:19 | jhMikeS | brb |
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| 10:53:51 | * | petur thinks jhMikeS is emptying the bottle |
| 10:55:29 | Topy44 | hm, he will ask me a lot of nasty questions to prove that its my own fault now... :) |
| 10:55:37 | Topy44 | or rather ":(" |
| 10:56:01 | jhMikeS | haha |
| 10:57:21 | jhMikeS | well, I do have to know 1) Recording enhancements pack? 2) What format? 3) Would the files have reached the 2GB mark? |
| 10:59:10 | Topy44 | so: |
| 10:59:27 | Topy44 | 1) no REP (didnt know about it yet), it was the current build from about 3 weeks ago |
| 10:59:34 | Topy44 | 2) uncompressed wave |
| 10:59:49 | * | amiconn wonders what the recording "enhancements" pack actually claims to enhance |
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| 11:00:06 | Topy44 | 3) yes, regularly, i did not set it to split files, so it just split at the 2gb fat32 limit |
| 11:00:09 | petur | amiconn: only gui enhancements now |
| 11:00:14 | * | jhMikeS also wonders how recording could ever do anything to corrupt the FAT just using the regular old file apis |
| 11:00:39 | Topy44 | and 4), it reached the end of free space (disk was full) |
| 11:00:43 | jhMikeS | it should split a little earlier than that |
| 11:00:44 | Topy44 | but continued recording |
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| 11:00:51 | petur | amiconn: 1) larger peakmeters 2) level histogram 3) big rec/pauze indicator |
| 11:01:42 | petur | amiconn: I'm going to commit (1) probably because that's why most people use REP |
| 11:01:42 | Topy44 | petur, except that the histogram sadly doesnt work on the x5 |
| 11:01:42 | Topy44 | (i'd love having a simple spectrum in the recording screen btw) |
| 11:01:42 | petur | (3) would be nice to have too |
| 11:02:07 | petur | hahaha 'simple spectrum' |
| 11:02:23 | Topy44 | as in, "no need for 9090234 channels" :) |
| 11:02:37 | jhMikeS | Topy44: Then the write() should have returned an error which would stop it |
| 11:02:37 | jhMikeS | if it didn't something's rotten somewhere |
| 11:02:56 | pixelma | petur: with a 12-point font I find the peakmeters quite large already... |
| 11:03:04 | Topy44 | jhMikeS, it never stopped |
| 11:03:18 | amiconn | pixelma: Recording screen... |
| 11:03:41 | Topy44 | i didnt realize the space was used up until after the festival |
| 11:03:41 | Topy44 | it wrote data all over the place, overwriting most mp3s and even some of the rockbox files |
| 11:03:54 | * | amiconn thinks the correct enhancement would be to make the recording screen use the UI font |
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| 11:04:16 | * | petur whinks it would be better to have a WRS :) |
| 11:04:18 | Topy44 | btw, is there any way to manually reset the clipping indicators? |
| 11:04:26 | B4gder | or perhaps make Rockbox capable of using different fonts in different places! ;-O |
| 11:04:48 | Topy44 | argh. :) |
| 11:05:06 | jhMikeS | petur: think recording peaks should actually examine all samples instead of skipping? I think the load from it could hardly be considered a load given that the DSP can run during playback and all that is way more CPU instensive. |
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| 11:05:12 | steveo | can it have diffrent colour text? |
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| 11:05:28 | steveo | my background makes it hard to see the text =o |
| 11:05:42 | B4gder | you can change the text color, yes |
| 11:05:50 | petur | jhMikeS: eh... doesn't it sample all peaks now? |
| 11:06:02 | Topy44 | in general, the recording screen is pretty damn ugly :) but i dont care much for eye candy, so it suits me |
| 11:06:03 | jhMikeS | petur: no, it samples every 4th |
| 11:06:18 | petur | jhMikeS: yuck - when did that change? |
| 11:06:51 | Topy44 | jhMikeS, do you get the noises i mentioned earlier with your x5? |
| 11:06:56 | amiconn | For playback checking every sample would be overkill imo |
| 11:07:05 | jhMikeS | well, when I did it for coldfire, before it sampled every 3rd. I ask cause I know the recording peaks aren't eyecandy at all. |
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| 11:07:14 | Topy44 | (a high frequency noise for about 5 seconds every X minutes, probably when accessing the harddisk) |
| 11:07:35 | jhMikeS | Topy44: no, it's very quiet on mine |
| 11:07:37 | petur | jhMikeS: making it process every sample for peakmeter was a fix I once did (recording only!) |
| 11:08:01 | Topy44 | hm... i'll isolate the noise now. |
| 11:08:27 | pixelma | humm? The peakmeters in the recording screen is large (though the rest is using the default font) - it's bigger than in the wps where it is dependent on the user font |
| 11:08:27 | jhMikeS | petur: well, it was unfixed I think by the time I saw it. |
| 11:08:33 | steveo | b4gder where? i was looking through and couldnt find it |
| 11:08:43 | pixelma | (on the M5) |
| 11:10:16 | jhMikeS | guess that came in from adding toni1's patch and I never looked at the original |
| 11:11:59 | Topy44 | found the noise, uploading now |
| 11:12:06 | jhMikeS | petur: I reckon for coldfire that mac.w should do the squaring and channel separation real fast so a nice asm implementation is in order there |
| 11:12:37 | Topy44 | i am not actually sure it happens with the OF... i cannot find it anywhere right now, i thought i heard it before but i did not use the OF for recording much yet |
| 11:15:17 | Topy44 | www.t44.org/x5weirdnoise.zip <== first the original, then again normalized (so its more audible) |
| 11:16:07 | Topy44 | (recorded using the rockbox build from about 3 weeks ago, uncompressed wave, during the soundcheck of a band, using external mics) |
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| 11:16:48 | Topy44 | has anyone heard such noise before? |
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| 11:17:17 | * | jhMikeS wonders if a bug could exist in the FAT code that only recording does enough writing to show ... hrmm ... *takes another shot* |
| 11:17:44 | Topy44 | jhMikeS, i will try something myself... i have the feeling it might be connected to writing to a full disk |
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| 11:18:05 | Topy44 | that it doesnt stop correctly |
| 11:18:28 | Topy44 | but first i need to fill up the disk with stuff, which might take several hours :) |
| 11:19:00 | Topy44 | ah btw: |
| 11:19:20 | Topy44 | after all that i repartitioned and reformated the disk |
| 11:19:33 | jhMikeS | Topy44: Writing to a full disk should fail, no? That's the bugger...and recording will stop if it's told there's a write failure. I will examine that again anyway. |
| 11:20:49 | Topy44 | as said, in my case it never failed even though the disk was clearly full |
| 11:20:59 | Topy44 | there where about 10gb free, and i recorded more than 20 hours :) |
| 11:20:59 | Topy44 | and at a concert the following weekend i started the recording using rockbox again |
| 11:21:21 | amiconn | JdGordon: around? |
| 11:21:37 | Topy44 | about 30 minutes before the concert started |
| 11:21:37 | Topy44 | when i went checking that everything is ok during the soundcheck, rockbox gave me another "warning:00000002" error |
| 11:21:46 | jhMikeS | Odd thing is too that other's having full disks do report "Disk Full" at least on iRivers |
| 11:21:47 | Topy44 | i didnt want to risk anything, so i decided to load the OF and record with it instead |
| 11:22:35 | Topy44 | this time, the disk was empty and the partition brand new |
| 11:22:52 | Topy44 | what exactly does that warning 2 mean? |
| 11:23:02 | Topy44 | i read something about a write error somewhere? |
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| 11:25:54 | petur | Topy44: a buffer overrun (iirc) |
| 11:26:47 | petur | brb |
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| 11:29:44 | jhMikeS | encoder buffer overrun |
| 11:29:44 | jhMikeS | if it just can't write fast enough anymore because it's having trouble finding sectors, not much the software can do really since the data rate is fixed |
| 11:30:18 | Topy44 | hm, sounds strange to me that this could happen with a brand-new partition |
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| 11:30:23 | LinusN | indeed |
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| 11:31:09 | LinusN | very often the problem is that the user thinks he has deleted the files, while they still remain in the recycle bin, taking up all space |
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| 11:32:12 | LinusN | i blame windows for that |
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| 11:33:14 | Topy44 | LinusN, rePARTITIONED |
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| 11:33:28 | Topy44 | besides, i deactivated the recicle bin for the X5 |
| 11:34:00 | LinusN | another problem might be a very small cluster size |
| 11:34:21 | Topy44 | umh, a few days ago someone told me a link to the subpack connector pinout |
| 11:34:28 | Topy44 | (in the rockbox wiki) |
| 11:34:31 | Topy44 | cant find it atm |
| 11:34:54 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortPinAssignments#Subpack_Connector |
| 11:35:04 | Topy44 | ah, thx |
| 11:35:21 | jhMikeS | yeah, I hear that one a good bit |
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| 11:35:55 | Topy44 | jh, hm? |
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| 11:36:03 | Topy44 | jhMikeS |
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| 11:42:41 | JdGordon | amiconn: hey, back |
| 11:44:55 | jhMikeS | yead? |
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| 11:46:24 | Topy44 | [11:35] <jhMikeS> yeah, I hear that one a good bit <== what where you talking about? |
| 11:46:54 | amiconn | JdGordon: I can't quite folow the root menu stuff, it looks rather complex |
| 11:47:19 | amiconn | But I i_think_ I know where things go wrong with the shutdown item and its context |
| 11:47:44 | amiconn | The problem is that the conext stuff uses .value for determining which context menu to call |
| 11:48:06 | amiconn | But the shutdown item is a MENUITEM_FUNCTION which doesn't specify a value.. |
| 11:48:32 | JdGordon | no, because it checks the flag first |
| 11:48:45 | JdGordon | if (root_menu__[selection]->flags&MT_RETURN_VALUE) |
| 11:49:03 | JdGordon | which would fail, unless selection is being set to the wrong value |
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| 11:49:58 | jhMikeS | Topy44: About the recycle bin being ummm...not quite empty :) |
| 11:51:05 | amiconn | I don't know how to fix it though, but the sim also misbehaves |
| 11:51:31 | JdGordon | ok, just trying to get my server back up... then ill check this out |
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| 11:53:24 | amiconn | For some reason the sim manages to start a second instance of itself, with the wrong currentdir so it complains about incomplete installation |
| 11:57:16 | Topy44 | woaha... those subpack connectors are a BITCH to solder |
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| 12:00:32 | crop | JdGordon: are you aware of the fact that playlist_viewer still uses the old menu API? This should be a red cape for you :-) |
| 12:01:25 | amiconn | JdGordon: (root_menu__[selection]->flags&MT_RETURN_VALUE) evaluates to true for the shutdown item for some reason... |
| 12:01:59 | amiconn | And value then is 4420924 which causes it to segfault under gdb control |
| 12:02:13 | jhMikeS | ok, a 14 instruction record peaks loop should do ok |
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| 12:10:45 | crop | amiconn: that's a clear case. MT_xxx values are just defined as enum, so RTURN_ID is 4 and RETURN_VALUE is 5. These values shouldn't be tested with & IMHO |
| 12:16:32 | crop | amiconn: I think it should be "(root_menu__[i]->flags&MENU_TYPE_MASK) == MT_RETURN_VALUE" instead |
| 12:20:06 | amiconn | This bug exists in more than one place in root_menu.c then... |
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| 12:26:52 | steveo | so how i change my text colour? |
| 12:26:54 | crop | amiconn: do you also think that this is a bug? I think it is since checks of the type (x&FLAG) are usually made with bit flags, i.e. values that have disjoint bits (1, 2, 4, 8 etc) |
| 12:30:43 | Topy44 | so, just finished my custom line in cable. plug from qables.com, heavy duty audio cable and a neutrik minijack plug |
| 12:31:19 | Topy44 | and the subpack connector is a locking one |
| 12:31:48 | Topy44 | matches the rest of my equipment a little better than the subpack connected to some cheapo chinese minijack-to-minijack cable |
| 12:35:33 | JdGordon | crap... crop's correct, wonder how that lasted so long without failing :'( |
| 12:37:59 | crop | amiconn: but I've spotted only one place |
| 12:38:36 | JdGordon | its in 2 places in root_menu.c... |
| 12:38:43 | JdGordon | it should be correct in the rest of the code |
| 12:39:04 | * | JdGordon blames this on linuxstb (who happens to be convieniently not here :) |
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| 12:39:56 | crop | JdGordon: a macro for that? |
| 12:40:39 | JdGordon | no... just that code was done at some rediculous hour when i should have been sleeping instead of fulfilling obscure feature requests |
| 12:40:44 | JdGordon | commiting the fix |
| 12:41:25 | crop | JdGordon: I mean a macro that could be used as MENU_TYPE(menu) == MT_RETURN_VALUE |
| 12:41:45 | JdGordon | I think ill lose my access rights if I add any more macros :D |
| 12:42:09 | crop | JdGordon: then make it a function |
| 12:42:25 | JdGordon | no need... just remember to use it correctly |
| 12:42:27 | Topy44 | does anyone know the specific reason why the REP's histogram does not work on x5? |
| 12:42:36 | crop | JdGordon: if it's repeated in many places it should be a macro or a func |
| 12:42:53 | JdGordon | crop: and I am indeed aware that not all menus are using the new api yet.. feel free to submit a patch.... |
| 12:43:12 | JdGordon | it really should only be used in menu.c... |
| 12:43:19 | JdGordon | root_menu.c uses it in a hacky way |
| 12:43:23 | crop | JdGordon: ok, I thought the old API were only in plugins |
| 12:43:28 | Topy44 | (meaby because it came with the AGC which does not work?) |
| 12:43:50 | crop | JdGordon: ...which was the reason to keep it |
| 12:44:18 | JdGordon | no, the semi-long term plan is remove the api, or at least move it to the plugin lib instead of the core |
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| 12:48:07 | JdGordon | hmm.. both menus in playlist_viewer.c should have been converted by now.. they dont do anything difficult |
| 12:48:12 | JdGordon | might try getting to that tonight |
| 12:48:20 | JdGordon | unless someone submits a patch... :D |
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| 12:49:01 | crop | JdGordon: how can I tell if there is a current playlist? I.e. if the playback can be resumed? There is a bug report and a (wrong?) fix. |
| 12:49:15 | JdGordon | I saw.... its not so simple |
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| 12:49:48 | JdGordon | if there is resume info then the playlist should load and not start playback... but that will stall the gui for a sec or two (i tinhk) |
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| 12:52:53 | crop | JdGordon: but that would still be better than when just absolutely nothing happens |
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| 12:53:51 | JdGordon | possibly.. I havnt looked into possible fixes yet |
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| 12:54:40 | JdGordon | the code in root_menu.c to start the wps would probably do... jsut need to make sure the playback does not start when you enter the viewer |
| 12:54:55 | JdGordon | and you still need to put up a message if there is no playlist and no resume info |
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| 12:59:33 | PaulJam | JdGordon: wouldn't it be possible to just not show the entry if no resume info is available? |
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| 13:00:15 | crop | JdGordon: sure. The message should remain. Just the condition must change. But IMHO the patch is still better than what's currently in SVN. |
| 13:00:49 | crop | PaulJam: that's not a good solution IMHO since the user would be disappointed |
| 13:01:42 | JdGordon | PaulJam: yeah, thats one solution... still doesnt solve the problem where there is no playback, but a resume info.. |
| 13:02:04 | JdGordon | i _think_ calling if (playlist_resume() != -1) in playlist_viewer would be enough to get it working |
| 13:03:54 | PaulJam | crop: why would he be disappointed? |
| 13:05:19 | Topy44 | www.t44.org/x5equipment.jpg <== so, all thats left to do now is to replace the korg plug's cables with better quality ones... |
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| 13:05:23 | pixelma | PaulJam: also it was agreed on that we shouldn't have such dynamic menu entries (even though this isn't entirely true for the bookmarks feature for some reason) |
| 13:05:39 | crop | b/c he's used to see that entry and sometimes it's not there. And the reason is not very obviuos. |
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| 13:06:23 | PaulJam | pixelma: ah, i didn't know that. |
| 13:08:17 | amiconn | Dynamic items are especially problematic for blind users |
| 13:13:10 | LinusN | i suggest we make the bookmark menu item static |
| 13:14:37 | JdGordon | nooo.... please no.. :'( |
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| 13:16:32 | crop | LinusN: I'd agree if it were moved near bottom |
| 13:17:18 | LinusN | crop: those who often use bookmarks probably don't agree with you |
| 13:18:06 | JdGordon | yeah, bookmarks has to stay at the top |
| 13:18:20 | crop | LinusN: and those who often use files? Someone will always lose. |
| 13:18:31 | LinusN | crop: exactly my point |
| 13:19:02 | crop | LinusN: but files are a "more core" feature since RB is file based |
| 13:19:18 | LinusN | and bookmarks aren't? |
| 13:19:39 | JdGordon | which is why they should stay hidden if you dont use them |
| 13:20:16 | LinusN | i think all menu items should be visible, for two reasons: consistency (think: manual) and blind navigation |
| 13:20:24 | PaulJam | what is the problem with having the bookmark item dynamic. i mean either you use recent bookmarks or you don't. it's not something that regularly changes. |
| 13:20:37 | crop | LinusN: IIRC there was a patch that allows to reorder the items in the root menu, what was decided about it? |
| 13:20:54 | LinusN | crop: i guess it was shot down |
| 13:21:39 | LinusN | by me, among others |
| 13:21:39 | preglow | was indeed |
| 13:22:00 | crop | LinusN: because RB doesn't like dynamic menus? Hrm... the patch wouldn't really introduce dynamics, just reordering IIRC |
| 13:22:16 | preglow | i just think we shouldn't go there |
| 13:22:22 | pixelma | IMHO bookmarks should be static - especially since it's off by default, some users who would like the feature never saw it (and it confused me when starting "fesh" and it wasn't there) |
| 13:22:34 | LinusN | anyone who has ever used recent versions of microsoft office knows about the frustration with hidden menu entries |
| 13:22:43 | pixelma | should be there I mean |
| 13:23:49 | pixelma | and it confused me even though I don't use it - just tried bookmarks out a very few times |
| 13:23:56 | crop | preglow: but if had such a feature we wouldn't talk about what should be on the top of the main menu :-) |
| 13:24:33 | LinusN | crop: no, we would be talking about how to extend this feature to all other menus |
| 13:24:46 | LinusN | and we would respond to user bug reports |
| 13:24:55 | crop | LinusN: that too, yes :-))) |
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| 13:25:18 | LinusN | and we don't want to go there |
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| 13:26:59 | preglow | word |
| 13:27:16 | preglow | just make peace with the way the menus are or do a custom patch |
| 13:27:19 | crop | LinusN: btw: what's bad in extending it to other menus? ;-) I mean just reordering items in existing menus, not pulling entries around |
| 13:27:24 | preglow | if we were to make everything in rockbox customisable, it would be hell |
| 13:27:50 | LinusN | amen |
| 13:28:09 | preglow | both in terms of code size, code complexity and support |
| 13:28:48 | JdGordon | sort of on this line of thought though.... would anyone majorly object to changing the quickmenu to a proper menu where the user could choose which settings to put there? |
| 13:28:50 | B4gder | and we'd probably have to waste more memory |
| 13:30:02 | LinusN | JdGordon: then the quick menu wouldn't be quick, would it? |
| 13:30:07 | crop | JdGordon: what??? Dynamic menu?? No, no! Context menus do quite well IMO |
| 13:30:26 | JdGordon | is it quick though now? its got 3 settings which imo are not that usefull there anyway |
| 13:31:04 | LinusN | but if you change it into a regular menu, you wouldn' |
| 13:31:13 | crop | B4gder: why? Menu entries could be reordered once at startup. This wouldn't consume memory after initializing. |
| 13:31:16 | LinusN | t be able to change the settings from within the screen |
| 13:31:39 | JdGordon | LinusN: you mean blindly? well thats true... |
| 13:31:40 | LinusN | crop: and where do you think the code that does this resides? |
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| 13:33:09 | petur | Topy44: AGC doesn't work on X5? Or it's not enabled in the build? I wonder what the reason was - I thought there was something, but what |
| 13:33:13 | JdGordon | oh joy... gui_syncsplash is refusing to run! |
| 13:33:32 | amiconn | petur: To remind you - agc cannot for for internal mic on X5 |
| 13:33:32 | crop | LinusN: hrm... He-he. In a plugin? This couldb e a very special plugin. |
| 13:33:35 | Topy44 | petur, its not enabled because the x5 has only 30 or so gail levels |
| 13:33:51 | petur | ah right, that was it |
| 13:33:51 | amiconn | For line in it would be possible |
| 13:34:05 | Topy44 | even though i think it should stay enabled, just with a warning |
| 13:34:27 | Topy44 | because 30 levels are sortof ok, and AGC is a really useful feature for unattended live recordings |
| 13:35:02 | petur | indeed it is - the AGC-safety thing I mean |
| 13:35:02 | Topy44 | still, that does not explain why the histogram doesnt work - meaby because acg is disabled? the histogram is displayed, but it stays empty |
| 13:35:11 | Topy44 | exactly |
| 13:35:54 | Topy44 | i wonder if those 30 steps are spread out linear or log |
| 13:36:16 | JdGordon | B4gder: still not got the build script working 100% ? |
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| 13:37:24 | B4gder | I doubt it ever was "100%" ... |
| 13:38:06 | Topy44 | does anyone know where exactly AGC would be disabled? i would like to try tinkering around with it |
| 13:38:27 | Topy44 | (i havent really looked at the build scripts) |
| 13:38:37 | JdGordon | ondio fm build has gone awol |
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| 13:39:17 | petur | Topy44: in the config-xxx.h file |
| 13:39:30 | Topy44 | ok i'll look at it |
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| 13:41:07 | Nico_P | amiconn: I have a patch for some of the things we discussed yesterday... care to have a look ? |
| 13:43:55 | JdGordon | hmm... seems the playlist viewer doesnt like haveing playback stopped... |
| 13:44:04 | Akiyuki | Silly question, but say I am in the Database, and I click on Genre, how do I backup to the previous menu to chose say, Artist, or something else? |
| 13:44:18 | JdGordon | press left |
| 13:45:34 | Akiyuki | Pressing left doesn't do anything. :( |
| 13:46:59 | crop | JdGordon: exactly. Playlist viewer checks something different from what the main menu does when it comes to resume playback vs. now playing |
| 13:47:33 | JdGordon | right... so id be happy for it to say no playlist even if there is resume info |
| 13:47:46 | JdGordon | unless someone really wants to fix it properly |
| 13:49:44 | Akiyuki | I wonder if my left key is broken |
| 13:49:59 | crop | JdGordon: that's what I think. But I also think that a proper fix wouldn't be much more complicated. |
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| 14:06:45 | preglow | do anyone know if slasheri commited his cop fixes? |
| 14:08:06 | amiconn | JdGordon: warnings... |
| 14:08:17 | preglow | ooh, savings |
| 14:08:32 | amiconn | preglow: No he didn't, otherwise the warnings for pp targets would be gone |
| 14:09:57 | preglow | Slasheri: any eta on it? |
| 14:10:41 | Akiyuki | What type of playlists does rockbox support? |
| 14:11:20 | Nico_P | amiconn: http://pastebin.ca/457449 |
| 14:11:22 | PaulJam | m3u and m3u8 afaik. |
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| 14:13:50 | Akiyuki | PaulJam, So, create a play list, then drop it into a folder on the drive? |
| 14:16:03 | PaulJam | Akiyuki: yes |
| 14:17:06 | PaulJam | but you can also create playlists with rockbox on the fly. |
| 14:18:33 | Akiyuki | oh ok |
| 14:18:40 | Akiyuki | 11hrs to transfer 118 songs? eep |
| 14:22:58 | steveo | wow thats scarey i wouldnt wait more then 10min |
| 14:23:54 | JdGordon | Nico_P: moving the wps background out of gwps*? |
| 14:24:25 | Akiyuki | steveo, what do you think makes it want to copy that slow? |
| 14:24:32 | Akiyuki | never went that slow before... |
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| 14:25:20 | Nico_P | JdGordon: the wps background is actually in backdrop.c |
| 14:25:36 | Nico_P | JdGordon: and this patch is mainly for RWPS support |
| 14:25:42 | JdGordon | oh, ok |
| 14:27:20 | ice8lue | hey there everybody, could someone help me with my sansa rockbox? i installed the actual daily build 5mins ago and am using the DockPod Aqua theme. well, whatever. but after i apply the theme (or any other) the captions in the menu are mixed up. the entry called "settings" leads to the browser "now playing" is going to the settings and so on. what is this? |
| 14:27:48 | LinusN | wow |
| 14:29:00 | * | JdGordon seconds LinusN's wow |
| 14:29:10 | steveo | u have somthing running in the background or the drive is full\near to full ethier the one ur copying from or to |
| 14:29:42 | steveo | im sorting through 3154 songs atm lol |
| 14:29:54 | JdGordon | ice8lue: do you have a bookmarks item in that menu? |
| 14:30:09 | Nico_P | why wow ? |
| 14:30:33 | LinusN | Nico_P: because that was an interesting bug |
| 14:30:36 | JdGordon | Nico_P: you dont think that bug deserves a wow? |
| 14:31:11 | ice8lue | JdGordon: ya the first entry saya latest bookmarks |
| 14:31:25 | Nico_P | I agree it's quite impressive :) |
| 14:32:35 | JdGordon | ice8lue: what is the version you installed? |
| 14:32:38 | Nico_P | LinusN: mind having a quick look at http://pastebin.ca/457449 ? |
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| 14:33:10 | ice8lue | downloaded some minutes ago....20070425 i think |
| 14:33:36 | JdGordon | ok |
| 14:33:53 | JdGordon | from the daily builds page or the current builds page? |
| 14:33:59 | ice8lue | daily |
| 14:34:14 | JdGordon | :) that means i didnt break it before |
| 14:34:20 | JdGordon | try the current build... |
| 14:34:29 | ice8lue | isnt it the same? |
| 14:34:30 | JdGordon | build.rockbox.org |
| 14:35:49 | steveo | ok i cant find it, where can u change text colour? my background makes it hard to read the text (can u even change the colour??) |
| 14:36:02 | LinusN | Nico_P: what is the purpose? |
| 14:36:02 | dionoea | in the settings menu |
| 14:36:09 | dionoea | display or something like that |
| 14:36:13 | dionoea | and font color i guess |
| 14:36:17 | LinusN | Nico_P: i think this line is unnecessarily clever: |
| 14:36:19 | LinusN | wps_datas[i].remote_wps = (i != 0); |
| 14:36:38 | Nico_P | LinusN: it makes the wps_data aware of whether the screen si a remote or not |
| 14:36:48 | Nico_P | LinusN: why ? |
| 14:36:59 | LinusN | never mind about that |
| 14:37:12 | LinusN | why does it need to know? |
| 14:37:48 | Nico_P | LinusN: to allow the bitmaps to be loaded properly and to prevent the use of an %X tag in the RWPS from unloading the backdrop from the main screen. |
| 14:37:49 | amiconn | In order to use the correct parameters for bitmap loading... |
| 14:38:00 | LinusN | aha |
| 14:38:10 | LinusN | i think that patch looks ok |
| 14:38:14 | Nico_P | in time, it would allow using an RWPS backdrop |
| 14:38:16 | ice8lue | JdGordon: ok, seems to work now |
| 14:38:24 | Nico_P | amiconn: had a look at the patch ? |
| 14:38:25 | crop | Nico_P: "wps_datas[i]..." data is already plural :-) |
| 14:38:25 | Slasheri | preglow: not sure what fixes you mean. If you mean those warnings, i doubt i can fix them without a real unit. That's why those are there. |
| 14:38:38 | Nico_P | crop: that's not my idea :) |
| 14:38:39 | JdGordon | ice8lue: phew :) |
| 14:38:50 | LinusN | crop: :-) |
| 14:39:19 | ice8lue | thx |
| 14:39:44 | Nico_P | on line 42 of the patch, it should read true instead of false. I corrected that already |
| 14:40:12 | crop | Nico_P: and re re,ote_wps flag: wouldn't it be better to place a fuction pointer to the structure? The func would then load the image or whatever |
| 14:41:23 | LinusN | i think the flag is more KISS |
| 14:41:24 | Nico_P | crop: not sure I understood but the bitmaps are loaded by the same function but with a different format |
| 14:41:46 | Akiyuki | steveo, i formated the drive, and re-installed rockbox, and it's still transferring slow |
| 14:41:48 | Akiyuki | like 20kbps |
| 14:42:31 | crop | LinusN: well, it would be more KISS in a certain sense. At the place the image is loaded you'd just have a function call, without any if-then. |
| 14:42:51 | preglow | Slasheri: i was talking more of the stuff that makes cop actually being used by playback and such :) |
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| 14:42:59 | preglow | i can't remember if you commited that |
| 14:43:01 | LinusN | KISS in my world means "in your face", meaning that it is obvious what the code does |
| 14:43:08 | steveo | aki it go 20kb when u try say like 10 songs? |
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| 14:43:22 | Akiyuki | steveo, it got 20kb on 1 file |
| 14:44:32 | crop | LinusN: exactly. And if you name that member "load_image_func" then you'll also know WHAT the code does (the name tells it). But not HOW (since there's indirection). |
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| 14:45:27 | crop | *but not _necessarily_ HOW |
| 14:46:28 | PaulJam | Akiyuki: what player do you have? |
| 14:46:39 | LinusN | crop: i agree that in this case it doesn't matter much which method we choose, but i think it is more obvious what the code does if there is an explicit check for the remote flag |
| 14:46:47 | Akiyuki | PaulJam, 1G ipod nano |
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| 14:47:43 | Slasheri | preglow: oh, that's far away being complete :) |
| 14:48:01 | PaulJam | Akiyuki: you should try if it works better if you boot into the apple firmware before connecting. i think i have heard thet the emergency diskmode is sometimes slow. |
| 14:49:20 | LinusN | the emergency disk mode is horribly slow |
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| 14:51:56 | amiconn | crop: The load_image_func() would just be an extra layer |
| 14:52:14 | amiconn | The bmp loader function is a single instance and can load both main & remote format |
| 14:52:27 | crop | LinusN: with a func pointer we'd have better "abstraction match" The code in question shouldn't be aware about the fact that there are main/remote displays |
| 14:52:48 | Nico_P | crop: that's already done a lot in screen_access.[ch] |
| 14:52:55 | amiconn | This saves quite some code, because all the BMP header checking and converting to canonical format in-RAM is the same, just the output format conversion is different |
| 14:53:06 | Nico_P | crop: but in the case of bitmap loading, both display types share the same function |
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| 14:57:54 | crop | Nico_P, amiconn: that all might be correct. I only briefly looked at the patch and noticed the "abstraction mismatch" (IMO). But if you find it ok then I'm also fine |
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| 15:02:17 | amiconn | crop: I agree it's a bit special. Maybe the bmp loader should be split, and accept a callback that puts converts the data to lcd specific format |
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| 15:07:33 | crop | amiconn: my idea is that the structure has to hold a pointer to a loading func. Different funcs may use another (static?) func as part of their implementation and then do some specific pixel conversion or whatever. So code wise we'll have no more than now |
| 15:10:11 | Nico_P | I committed the patch |
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| 15:11:51 | JdGordon | why cant mp3 players use a standard usb plug?? Ive lst my sansa cable :'( |
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| 15:14:02 | amiconn | JdGordon: Archos recorder fm/v2, Ondios, iriver H1xx, H300 and iaudio M5 all have standard plugs :P |
| 15:14:36 | Nico_P | and the gigabeat too :) |
| 15:14:37 | amiconn | However, Archos player, recorder v1, iaudio X5 and ipods do not |
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| 15:36:41 | Akiyuki | PaulJam, how do you boot into apple firmware? |
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| 15:38:09 | PaulJam | Akiyuki: not sure. i think by enabling the hold swich while booting. but this should be explained in the manual or in the faq. |
| 15:40:56 | Akiyuki | ty |
| 15:41:32 | Akiyuki | kinda funny..i reformatted the drive, re-installed rockbox, and all of my old files are still in the cache, but don't play....rebooting it doesn't seem to help |
| 15:43:02 | PaulJam | the database only autodetects removed files if autoupdate and directorycache are enabled. |
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| 16:08:57 | JdGordon | does mpegplayer have a function which rotates the image? or is it done during decoding? |
| 16:09:55 | dionoea | the bliting function rotates the image AFAIK |
| 16:10:02 | dionoea | (so it's target dependant) |
| 16:12:07 | markun | JdGordon: were you thinking about adding rotation to rockbox? |
| 16:12:26 | JdGordon | in jpeg viewer... |
| 16:12:38 | JdGordon | id love it in the whole OS... its not gonna happen tho |
| 16:12:43 | Nico_P | rockboy would be awsome on the gigabeat if it were rotated |
| 16:12:45 | markun | are you sure? |
| 16:13:00 | Nico_P | JdGordon: JPEG viewer would sure be better rotated |
| 16:13:19 | markun | I think it depends on the aspect ratio of the jpeg you are viewing |
| 16:13:23 | Nico_P | or maybe auto-rotated... no need to rotate portrait pictures |
| 16:13:26 | markun | for comics it's fine for example |
| 16:15:16 | JdGordon | comics? the screen isnt too small? |
| 16:15:27 | markun | if a DAP states that you can add 512MB to 1GB with an SD cart, is it likely not to work with > 1GB cards? |
| 16:15:33 | markun | JdGordon: you need to zoom a lot :) |
| 16:19:30 | Nico_P | JdGordon: ideas on how to do autorotating ? |
| 16:19:50 | JdGordon | not really... |
| 16:19:54 | Akiyuki | PaulJam, but, I formatted the drive, and when I rebooted, rockbox was still on the drive lol |
| 16:19:54 | Akiyuki | I think it wasn't rebooting fully |
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| 16:22:09 | amiconn | markun: It's protocol dependent |
| 16:22:24 | amiconn | In rockbox such a dap can well support cards >1GB |
| 16:22:43 | markun | amiconn: ok, good to know |
| 16:22:53 | markun | I'm looking at the Ainol V1000 |
| 16:23:41 | markun | it has a blackfin CPU, so that would mean a lot of work (and fun I hope) |
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| 16:24:56 | JdGordon | Nico_P: in settings.c (and im assuming other places) you have gui_wps[0]. ... and [1] these are for the screens right? can you change them to use SCREEN_MAIN and SCREEN_REMOTE instead of 0 and 1? |
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| 16:25:18 | Nico_P | JdGordon: yes |
| 16:25:23 | JdGordon | :) |
| 16:25:24 | amiconn | markun: Of course it depends on where the protocol is implemented |
| 16:25:34 | amiconn | If it's not the cpu you may be out of luck |
| 16:26:00 | amiconn | But both on sansa (sd) and Ondio (mmc) the protocol is implemented on the main cpu |
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| 16:30:00 | ackbahr_ | Hi there! when I check my rockbox version, I see r12181-070202 . Is this version 1.2181 ? |
| 16:30:10 | JdGordon | bah, I was just looking in the user list to see if pauljam was here and he quits :'( |
| 16:31:02 | markun | amiconn: no, not really |
| 16:31:10 | markun | eh, that was for ackbahr_ |
| 16:31:40 | markun | ackbahr_: the r12181 is the svn revision number, the 070202 (2007-02-02) is the date of the build. |
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| 16:31:49 | ackbahr_ | markun: But I suppose I'm well behind r13261-070425 ? |
| 16:32:10 | markun | yes, 1.5 months |
| 16:32:26 | markun | 2.5 even (can't count) |
| 16:32:59 | ackbahr_ | markun: Great, then I'd rather upgrade.... Thanks! |
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| 16:33:55 | markun | ackbahr_: you can always check the MajorChanges wiki pages to see if there were some important things done |
| 16:34:24 | ackbahr_ | markun: Good idea.... |
| 16:35:34 | JdGordon | PaulJam: re the random folder plugin... does it really make sense to have a whitelist and a blacklist? |
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| 16:36:37 | PaulJam | JdGordon: for me it makes sense, but it's not a must have, only a nice to have feature. |
| 16:37:11 | JdGordon | so it would work by scanning recursivly the whitelist, then remove the blacklisted folders? |
| 16:38:42 | PaulJam | that's how i would imagine it. |
| 16:39:10 | ackbahr_ | markun: Ok, I think I'll do it... Wish me luck for the maneuvre! Or it there a straighter way to do it than backup my stuff, delete .rockbox, install the new one and then recustomise the new .rockbox? |
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| 16:41:27 | amiconn | ackbahr: To make sure (I think your version is from before the .cfg move: Go to manage settings, save a .cfg, unzip the new rockbox over your old, boot into it and load the .cfg |
| 16:41:46 | amiconn | YOu only need to adjust settings which weren't present in the old version |
| 16:42:08 | amiconn | Nothing to explicitly delete |
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| 16:43:11 | ackbahr_ | amiconn: And until I touch the bootloader, it just won't start up if I do something wrong/stupid/both, right? |
| 16:46:25 | ackbahr_ | well, at least by changing one .rockbox with the other it work. I'll try the 'merge' way now. |
| 16:46:31 | Akiyuki | Anyone here speak dutch? |
| 16:47:26 | ackbahr_ | Akiyuki: No, I'm sorry.... |
| 16:47:30 | markun | ackbahr_: I do |
| 16:47:40 | markun | Akiyuki: that was for you |
| 16:47:44 | Akiyuki | :D |
| 16:47:47 | markun | (stupid auto completion) |
| 16:48:00 | Akiyuki | Perhaps you can help me pronounce one word I am having trouble with? |
| 16:48:05 | markun | ok |
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| 16:48:43 | Akiyuki | m'n |
| 16:48:53 | Akiyuki | dus ga ik naar m'n vrienden |
| 16:49:11 | Akiyuki | I'm not sure how to pronounce the m'n |
| 16:49:21 | markun | m'n is short for "mijn" which is pronounced like "majn" |
| 16:49:34 | markun | but m'n is pronounced like "mn" |
| 16:49:45 | Akiyuki | heh |
| 16:49:45 | markun | or "mnnn" maybe |
| 16:49:55 | Akiyuki | I knew what it meant, I've read it before, but wasn't sure how to pronounce it |
| 16:50:02 | Akiyuki | Ever heard "alle idioten de zingen over boten" ? |
| 16:50:09 | markun | no :) |
| 16:50:15 | ackbahr_ | Akiyuki: Well, it was easy, just pronounce it the way it's written! :D |
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| 16:50:24 | markun | but it's getting a bit off topic here, maybe you can PM me |
| 16:50:42 | Akiyuki | oh, that's it.. thanks for the help :) |
| 16:50:49 | markun | amiconn: the firmware of the player I am looking at is unencrypted |
| 16:50:50 | Akiyuki | oh.. one more thing, ill pm you |
| 16:50:57 | markun | ok |
| 16:55:30 | markun | amiconn: at least some of the code they borrowed is GPL (libmad), do you think they will have to release the whole source under the GPL? |
| 16:55:47 | ackbahr_ | amiconn: wonderful! It's my h320, but it's just better! If the bootloader accepts the upgrade, is there any reason to upgrade it as well? |
| 16:57:01 | amiconn | There is no newer bootloader than back in february |
| 16:58:16 | ackbahr_ | amiconn: Ah, this answers my question sweetly (hate working on this kind on level on any machine....) Thanks! |
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| 17:09:25 | crop | markun: I think GPL is viral, i.e. if a system is "infected" by a piece of GPL code it must be released under GPL |
| 17:09:35 | markun | crop: I think so too |
| 17:09:39 | AceNik_ | hey anyone whose an expert at database here |
| 17:10:02 | crop | markun: sue! |
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| 17:10:22 | markun | crop: the sega emulation is done with Generator which is also GPL |
| 17:11:12 | AceNik_ | markun are you familiar with the database codes? |
| 17:11:22 | dionoea | did the product ship with a writen offer to get the source code? |
| 17:11:32 | dionoea | markun: ^ |
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| 17:12:35 | ackbahr_ | Thanks you all for your help, see you! |
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| 17:13:19 | markun | dionoea: I didn't buy it yet |
| 17:13:32 | markun | AceNik_: no |
| 17:13:41 | dionoea | ah ... so maybe they're GPL compliant :) |
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| 17:16:58 | AceNik_ | ]if i want to get a new database view approved for making it default in rockbox how can i do it ? |
| 17:17:10 | markun | dionoea: probably :) |
| 17:18:08 | AceNik_ | secondly i need someone who could delete a few of my attachments on the wiki |
| 17:18:15 | AceNik_ | since its a waste |
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| 17:19:08 | markun | dionoea: strange strings in the firmware like "YUYU NO QUIZ DE GO!GO!" :) |
| 17:19:08 | Slasheri | AceNik_: post a patch in the tracker |
| 17:19:30 | Slasheri | (or in fact not a patch, but the whole tagnavi file) |
| 17:21:37 | dionoea | markun: hehe |
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| 17:38:23 | markun | AceNik_: Bagder and LinusN |
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| 18:02:13 | AceNik__ | anyone has permission to delete attachments on the wiki |
| 18:03:15 | Domonoky | AceNik__: only admins have delete rigths, you can only hide them.. |
| 18:03:32 | Domonoky | but thats enough.. |
| 18:04:14 | AceNik__ | so there are 3 attachments i want to delete them its my uploaded stuff earlier |
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| 18:05:34 | Domonoky | just hide them. |
| 18:05:59 | AceNik__ | they all are hidden |
| 18:06:31 | Domonoky | then its good, all done :-) |
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| 18:55:16 | moos | it looks quite good at first look |
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| 19:09:35 | GRaTT | Hello, anybody here with flyspry admin rights |
| 19:09:58 | GRaTT | I put a patch under feature request and would like it changed |
| 19:10:27 | barrywardell | what do you want changed? which patch? |
| 19:10:58 | GRaTT | barrywardell: 7076 calendar patch for sansa |
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| 19:12:07 | Pimpdaddypayne | Is it ok if mencoder says " 1 duplicate frame(s)!" |
| 19:12:10 | barrywardell | what do you want changed? |
| 19:12:33 | GRaTT | barrywardell: I put it under feature request instead of patch |
| 19:12:50 | barrywardell | change |
| 19:12:51 | barrywardell | d |
| 19:13:00 | GRaTT | barrywardell: thank you |
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| 19:14:31 | GRaTT | To the DEVs any chance of getting FS 6884 Playlist Converter for Sansa comitted to SVN |
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| 20:13:53 | pixelma | Llorean: you around? |
| 20:15:48 | Llorean | Somewhat |
| 20:16:12 | pixelma | got two forum questions... 1) I've found a hint that the rockbox forums are reachable through wap while I was googling something - is that true and if so what would be the "address"? (can't seem to find out) |
| 20:16:57 | Llorean | You should be able to just enter the forums.rockbox.org URL, and depending on your useragent you should get served whatever page version is most suitable (I think) |
| 20:17:23 | elinenbe_ | Llorean: yes, you are correct |
| 20:17:39 | elinenbe_ | but the wap version of the site has a bit to be desired −− as is with all wap sites! |
| 20:17:47 | pixelma | hmm... will try |
| 20:18:00 | Llorean | elinenbe_: The one it serves to my smartphone is quite nice, I almost find it preferable to the normal version. |
| 20:18:02 | pixelma | 2) maybe better in a PM |
| 20:18:41 | Llorean | elinenbe_: Is this the one you get? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?;wap2 |
| 20:18:51 | Nico_P | pixelma: have you tried the new code for remote bitmaps ? |
| 20:19:46 | elinenbe_ | Llorean: yes, that is the version. I got it on my Blackberry |
| 20:20:22 | Llorean | I'm quite fond of it. It allows very easy navigation (for me), and has all the important functionality as far as I can see (at least it has everything I make use of). |
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| 20:27:02 | Llorean | elinenbe_: Was there some specific feature it was lacking? I haven't really looked into modifying the wap versions (not even sure how yet) but if it's something serious that I've not noticed just because I don't use it, I could do some research |
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| 20:31:29 | pixelma | Nico_P: yes - tried it in a M5 sim. Works quite nicely thanks! :) |
| 20:31:44 | Nico_P | cool |
| 20:32:09 | amiconn | Now if remote backdrops would also work.... |
| 20:32:15 | elinenbe_ | Llorean: if you go into a thread, and then back to the main view, it takes you to page one again −− not the current page you were on. |
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| 20:32:42 | pixelma | Nico_P: Now if I only could use the %X - because that's what I basically want with my WPS (I want it to use only a backdrop - no other images) |
| 20:32:56 | pixelma | but it's a good step ahead |
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| 20:44:41 | Nico_P | amiconn: I think the best idea would be to move the backdrops in the screen structs |
| 20:44:48 | Nico_P | two backdrop buffers per screen |
| 20:45:04 | amiconn | The buffer itself shouldn't be in the struct |
| 20:45:16 | Nico_P | that way we'll even be prepared for DAP's with more than two screens :) |
| 20:45:26 | Nico_P | amiconn: were should the buffer be ? |
| 20:45:47 | amiconn | ..because they can be (vastly) different in size |
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| 20:46:45 | Nico_P | hmm yes true... there'll just be a pointer to the buffer |
| 20:47:18 | Nico_P | I'll probably leave the actual buffers in backdrop.c |
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| 20:50:22 | AceNik__ | pixelma u there ? |
| 20:50:57 | amiconn | backdrop.[ch] should probably be moved to gui/ when it's adapted to work properly with multiple screens |
| 20:51:56 | Nico_P | amiconn: is wps_parser.c multi-screen-compliant enough now ? |
| 20:52:39 | * | amiconn thinks so |
| 20:53:04 | amiconn | The code probably can't be 100% screen agnostic |
| 20:54:26 | * | amiconn thinks it's a funny coincidence that only coldfire targets have lcd remotes - and all coldfire targets do! |
| 20:56:34 | Nico_P | :) |
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| 21:00:35 | amiconn | markun: Regarding you potential target and its firmware not being encrypted: Maybe it isn't encrypted because the manufacturer deems dsp asm code cryptic enough? ;) |
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| 21:00:54 | markun | :) |
| 21:01:13 | markun | I didn't try to disassemble it yet |
| 21:01:44 | amiconn | You said it's blackfin based... all I know about blackfin is that it's a dsp |
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| 21:02:17 | markun | amiconn: yes, CPU + DSP |
| 21:02:18 | amiconn | When looking at the (leaked) mas core docs, I was scared. Those dsps are really strange beasts |
| 21:03:31 | amiconn | Harvard architecture, pipeline synchronization must be done by the coder (no stalls, but wrong results when not obeying the delays)... |
| 21:03:32 | markun | blackfin assembly looks funny |
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| 21:04:01 | markun | I'll search for some examples |
| 21:04:38 | amiconn | At least there is a gcc port for blackfin |
| 21:04:40 | markun | hm later, we are going to watch a movie here |
| 21:04:59 | markun | amiconn: ffmpeg and speex have some blackfin opts I think |
| 21:05:24 | amiconn | mas3500 asm also looks extremely funny |
| 21:06:16 | dionoea | yes, ffmpeg has blackfin stuff. (Loads were commited in the past 2 weeks) |
| 21:07:08 | markun | amiconn: http://svn.mplayerhq.hu/ffmpeg/trunk/libavcodec/bfin/idct_bfin.S?view=markup |
| 21:08:44 | amiconn | uhmm.... |
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| 21:28:37 | preglow | blackfin is tons easier to program than the mas |
| 21:28:43 | preglow | but the asm is weird |
| 21:28:46 | preglow | weird but pretty nice |
| 21:30:38 | petur | I never had the chance to do blackfin asm, a project at work ended before I got to the optimizing part |
| 21:31:19 | preglow | it looks a bit like sharc asm, if i remember correctly |
| 21:31:23 | preglow | which is pretty symbolic |
| 21:32:10 | * | preglow sees an atrac3.c file in ffmpeg |
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| 21:37:26 | preglow | merbanan: heard any more about wma fixed point? |
| 21:37:58 | merbanan | nope, I'll ping him |
| 21:38:46 | saratoga | what about wma fixed point |
| 21:41:20 | preglow | saratoga: someone is working on it |
| 21:41:36 | preglow | which is great, since it's a lot of work |
| 21:41:53 | saratoga | wow thats good to know |
| 21:42:05 | saratoga | who? |
| 21:42:26 | preglow | integrating it in rockbox and optimising it'll be more than enough work, though, so you'll still have stuff to do, heh |
| 21:42:37 | preglow | can't remember his name, just read it on the ffmpeg list |
| 21:42:52 | saratoga | oh an ffmpeg person |
| 21:43:00 | saratoga | i thought you meant someone on this project |
| 21:43:27 | preglow | ah, no |
| 21:43:40 | saratoga | i've been meaning to ask about the assembler syntax in gcc |
| 21:43:51 | preglow | go ahead if you've got any questions ready |
| 21:43:54 | preglow | i know a fair bit about it |
| 21:43:58 | saratoga | is it the standard arm flavor, or does gcc have it's own? |
| 21:44:05 | preglow | standard arm, more or les |
| 21:44:12 | preglow | mov r0, r1, lsl #1 |
| 21:44:13 | preglow | and the like |
| 21:44:17 | saratoga | yeah that part i get |
| 21:44:20 | saratoga | things like this confuse me |
| 21:44:26 | preglow | then you'll see few surprises |
| 21:44:32 | saratoga | : "=&r" (__lo), "=&r" (__hi), "=r" (__result) |
| 21:44:41 | preglow | yeah, those are constraint specifiers |
| 21:44:46 | preglow | pretty logical once you get to know them :> |
| 21:44:54 | saratoga | is there some documentation i should know about? |
| 21:44:59 | preglow | yup, i'll link you in a sec |
| 21:45:00 | saratoga | i don't recall seeing those in the arm7 manual |
| 21:45:08 | saratoga | (though maybe I missed them) |
| 21:45:31 | preglow | http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.1.2/gcc/Extended-Asm.html#Extended-Asm |
| 21:45:35 | preglow | the following sections have more |
| 21:45:41 | preglow | it's in the gcc manual |
| 21:45:54 | saratoga | thanks i'll read through that |
| 21:46:13 | preglow | they're basically just a way of telling gcc where to put variables and stuff |
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| 21:46:50 | merbanan | preglow: pinged him, he usually answers in a few days |
| 21:46:57 | preglow | merbanan: cool, thanks |
| 21:47:37 | webguest51 | hi can anyone help me with a problem i'm having? i just downloaded a gameboy game and i can play it and all, but the soun is kind of messy. can anybody tell me how to fix that? |
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| 21:48:20 | webguest51 | the sound is the only problem? |
| 21:48:36 | PaulJam | webguest51: what player are you using? |
| 21:48:45 | preglow | saratoga: don't dig too dip into the asm stuff at first, though, premature optimisation is the root of all evil, etc, etc |
| 21:48:51 | webguest51 | i'm using an ipod video |
| 21:48:53 | preglow | saratoga: dig, that is |
| 21:48:56 | webguest51 | 30 gigs |
| 21:49:01 | preglow | ehh, "deep", that is |
| 21:49:10 | saratoga | yeah i know |
| 21:49:17 | saratoga | i mostly want to know about fixed point stuff |
| 21:49:22 | saratoga | so i'm reading through mad |
| 21:49:30 | saratoga | but the asm syntax was tripping me up |
| 21:49:40 | preglow | just ask if you've got any concrete examples you want explained |
| 21:49:46 | PaulJam | webguest51: the problem with the sound is then propably that the gameboyemulator doesn't run in realtime. so the sound is too slow. |
| 21:49:58 | preglow | and investigating fixed point is clever, yes, you'll need a fairly good grasp of it |
| 21:50:08 | webguest51 | the whatmulater? |
| 21:50:20 | webguest51 | how can i fix that? |
| 21:50:31 | preglow | by making faster code for us |
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| 21:50:56 | webguest51 | oh and another problem is that the controls are kind of messed up too.... |
| 21:51:09 | webguest51 | i forgot that one. |
| 21:51:42 | PaulJam | webguest51: i think in the menu you can change the buttons. |
| 21:51:58 | webguest51 | i just copie dthr game rom to my ipod and theni went to files then i just clicked on it. |
| 21:52:16 | M_M_K | I'm using the current release for JB6000, and the manual does not quite seem to match whst I'm seeing-is there a more correct version? |
| 21:52:24 | webguest51 | what is the menu supposed to look like? |
| 21:52:36 | saratoga | preglow: MAD_F_MLX(hi, lo, x, y), what is MLX an mnenonic for? |
| 21:52:36 | webguest51 | so i can change the controls. |
| 21:52:41 | saratoga | some kind of multiply? |
| 21:53:26 | PaulJam | webguest51: i guess the manual explains how to enter the menu in ipods. |
| 21:53:31 | webguest51 | when i go to the menu it says (buggy) what does that mean? |
| 21:53:49 | webguest51 | oh ok thank you |
| 21:53:52 | preglow | saratoga: wouldn't know, it's just a plain 64 bit multiply |
| 21:54:07 | PaulJam | webguest51: it may not work as expected |
| 21:54:17 | webguest51 | ho really? |
| 21:54:21 | preglow | MLA stands for multiply and accumulate, but god knows what the X is supposed to be |
| 21:54:23 | webguest51 | dang! |
| 21:54:52 | webguest51 | so what didi you say about the sound being to slow? Why is that? |
| 21:55:01 | saratoga | haha |
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| 21:55:22 | PaulJam | webguest51: the code is not optimized enough. |
| 21:55:44 | webguest51 | what do u mean can you please tell me how to fix that? |
| 21:55:53 | webguest51 | is that in the manual? |
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| 21:56:00 | M_M_K | I'm using the current release for JB6000, and the manual does not quite seem to match whst I'm seeing-is there a more correct version? |
| 21:56:18 | webguest51 | if it is in the manual can you please give me a link to that? |
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| 21:56:30 | PaulJam | webguest51: if it is easy to do, i believe someone would have already done it. |
| 21:56:46 | Bagder | jhMikeS: did you really intend to skip the close on seek/write failures? |
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| 21:57:01 | webguest51 | oh so you are not sure how to fix the volume either? |
| 21:57:21 | jhMikeS | bagder: yes, the core does it then |
| 21:57:30 | Bagder | ok, just making sure |
| 21:57:53 | M_M_K | I'm using the current release for JB6000, and the manual does not quite seem to match whst I'm seeing-is there a more correct version? |
| 21:58:04 | PaulJam | webguest51: have you tried adjusting the volume before entering the plugin? btw. the manual can be found here: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
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| 21:58:42 | webguest51 | Okay thank you. Bye =+) |
| 21:58:57 | element_G | any gigabeat users here? |
| 21:59:11 | pixelma | M_M_K: if you got it from the site it's probably the newest, bit pitily still a bit outdated |
| 21:59:36 | M_M_K | as a result, I can't figure out some functions-the most important right now is:how do I reshufle the current playlist-I can't fine the option to do this |
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| 22:00:03 | M_M_K | pixelma-how do I get a CURRENT copy |
| 22:00:28 | M_M_K | or is there no such thing? |
| 22:02:21 | pixelma | there is no manual that matches the current version - mostly there were a few important changes recently (menu system) and the manual writers couldn't keep up |
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| 22:02:56 | jhMikeS | that someone had a situation where a write failure wasn't reported and recording continued kinda bugs me. if the functions don't return exactly what was asked to be written, recording does in fact set the error correctly. |
| 22:03:41 | pixelma | M_M_K: I don't have an Archos Player but I'll try to figure it out for you, or trying to get the attention of amiconn who's the most "prominent" Player owner around here |
| 22:03:45 | element_G | Any gigabeat users that can give me a hand with the screen rotation patch? |
| 22:04:00 | M_M_K | ok |
| 22:05:13 | jhMikeS | encoders also aren't responsible for cleaning up the mess, they just return on the first problem with the error flag set...just part of the way the interface works |
| 22:05:40 | M_M_K | it seems that the playlist functions are a bit less than clear, but I suspect that is mostly issues with the manual |
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| 22:07:41 | pixelma | M_M_K: did you find out how to access the wps context menu? |
| 22:07:55 | jhMikeS | odd little red patch in the build table there :0 |
| 22:08:18 | M_M_K | sorta, but it does not always match the manual |
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| 22:09:28 | Bagder | indeed a weird build failure... on my host |
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| 22:11:04 | pixelma | M_M_K: so if you call the wps context menu there should be an entry "playlist" - on my player there is a "reshuffle" option under that - I wouldn't recognise that playlist submenu from reading the Player's manual... |
| 22:11:10 | M_M_K | wait-I think I may have answered the shuffle question-it seems that every time I run the root playlist, it reshuffles it(which is NOT how the manual says to do it) |
| 22:11:50 | Bagder | if shuffle is enabled, it (re-)shuffles on load yes |
| 22:12:11 | M_M_K | right now, I have a file playing, with the playlist on |
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| 22:12:42 | M_M_K | so that means that I'm looking at the wps screen? |
| 22:12:44 | pixelma | you mean you are already viewing the playlist? |
| 22:12:52 | M_M_K | yes |
| 22:13:06 | M_M_K | but not with the viewer |
| 22:13:58 | pixelma | so you went "While Playing Screen" -> wps context menu -> playlist -> view current playlist? (That's how I'd have to do here) |
| 22:14:07 | M_M_K | no |
| 22:14:20 | M_M_K | I'm playing the playlist |
| 22:15:05 | M_M_K | I've never found a option to reshuffle the playlist |
| 22:15:17 | M_M_K | other than reloading it |
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| 22:17:06 | pixelma | I can only imagine from what you describe that you are looking at your files in the file browser then (I'm trying to understand what screen you see) |
| 22:17:17 | M_M_K | no |
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| 22:18:51 | M_M_K | I'm PLAYING a file-I'm seeing the 1 line scroll on top, and the time elap then a * then the total track time |
| 22:19:06 | Nico_P | err, do we need main_remote_backdrops ? |
| 22:19:32 | Nico_P | I mean a main backdrop for the remote LCD |
| 22:20:08 | Llorean | M_M_K: Which player do you have? |
| 22:20:15 | M_M_K | jb6000 |
| 22:20:45 | Llorean | Ah, don't know which button gets you to the context menu from the WPS in that one. |
| 22:21:06 | M_M_K | I'm having issues with the manual not matching the menus |
| 22:21:53 | Llorean | Which build are you using? |
| 22:22:16 | M_M_K | the latest:d/led yesterday |
| 22:22:31 | Llorean | That's not the latest, but that's beside the point |
| 22:22:40 | Llorean | Which link did you use to download it, and which manual are you reading? |
| 22:22:48 | pixelma | I find no hint on how to get to the wps context menu (though it is mentioned in the manual that there should be one) - maybe I'm wrong in thinking it's basically the same as elsewhere (I'm trying to find out in a simulator btw.) |
| 22:23:29 | pixelma | ah... |
| 22:23:30 | M_M_K | I downloaded it from the spot you guys told me to last might |
| 22:23:54 | Llorean | M_M_K: I wasn't here last night, so unfortunately I can't read your mind to know what you're talking about. |
| 22:24:11 | Llorean | M_M_K: From the WPS screen, have you tried holding Play/Pause? |
| 22:24:17 | pixelma | M_M_K: when you are in the while playing screen you have to long-press "play" |
| 22:24:23 | M_M_K | it's the current release version |
| 22:24:34 | M_M_K | ok let me rry that |
| 22:24:36 | Llorean | The "Current Version" or the "Release" version? |
| 22:24:37 | M_M_K | try |
| 22:24:42 | Llorean | They're two very different things. |
| 22:25:00 | pixelma | then you get to the context menu, the second entry is "playlist" |
| 22:25:04 | M_M_K | ok I'm in a menu |
| 22:25:29 | M_M_K | ok..now I see it |
| 22:25:30 | pixelma | enter that - and the last entry is "reshuffle" |
| 22:26:11 | PaulJam | why does the starfiled plugin use the menu-backdrop again? it used to be white on black until the pulsing to music stuff was added. |
| 22:26:42 | M_M_K | the manual while it has a april 23 07 date, it's not really up-to-date |
| 22:27:12 | Bagder | the manuals are built daily |
| 22:27:17 | pixelma | are you watching the online version or the pdf? |
| 22:27:20 | Bagder | it doesn't mean that the contents change every day... |
| 22:27:42 | M_M_K | I guess when a program is updated as often as RB, it's rough to stay current |
| 22:27:47 | pixelma | there is a reason the pdf shows "draft" underneath the text... |
| 22:27:47 | M_M_K | the pdf |
| 22:27:51 | Llorean | M_M_K: What did the manual tell you to do, that's different? |
| 22:28:12 | jhMikeS | rockbox needs an fabort function to not leak away a file descriptor just because the last cached sector can't be flushed |
| 22:28:15 | pixelma | Llorean: the manual is missing the "long play" part |
| 22:28:24 | pixelma | in the keytabble |
| 22:28:39 | pixelma | I'll fix it |
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| 22:28:55 | M_M_K | in general, there are menu items where the options don't match the manual |
| 22:29:05 | pixelma | but I guess there are other instances of missing/incorrect information |
| 22:29:44 | Llorean | pixelma: Actually, the real problem is also that the Manual calls the Long Play function "File Menu" rather than "Context Menu" |
| 22:30:09 | M_M_K | unless, I'm in the wrong menu(but I'm fairly sure that this is not ALWAYS the case) |
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| 22:30:39 | Llorean | pixelma: Under the WPS Context menu area it refers you back to the filetree context menu, which isn't called that so you can't connect the two. But it also needs to be in the keymap area. |
| 22:30:46 | pixelma | Llorean: in the wps key table? |
| 22:31:05 | Llorean | pixelma: In the "File Browser Controls" table as well |
| 22:31:42 | Llorean | pixelma: In that one it calls it the "File Menu", and then in the section of the manual specifically about the WPS Context Menu it refers to the File Tree context menu, which is misnamed in the earlier section as "File Menu" |
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| 22:32:28 | pixelma | ah... now I know what you mean - I'm slow in understanding - but I agree completely. I also wondered about that once |
| 22:35:02 | M_M_K | ok guys, thanks for the insite..I need to get somewhere! I'll check in later if any other questions arise |
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| 22:43:27 | Bapul | hey everybody |
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| 22:52:43 | Nico_P | pixelma, amiconn_: I have backdrop support for RPWS ready |
| 22:53:18 | Nico_P | I decided not to do main remote backdrop support for now (not sure it's very useful) |
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| 22:54:59 | Bapul | Does anyone know how to remap the button funcions on the Toshiba Gigabeat? I have explored the whole ".rockbox" directory and it seems like the key mapping is somewhere else. |
| 22:55:20 | Bagder | they are in the code |
| 22:55:51 | Bapul | If they're in the code.. would I need some coding/programming skills to change? |
| 22:55:56 | Nico_P | Bagder, amiconn_: should I first commit the modified backdrop.[ch] and then move them or can I commit them with both the changes and the move ? |
| 22:55:59 | pixelma | Nico_P: neat... I'd like to try :) |
| 22:56:20 | Nico_P | pixelma: I'll pastebin the patch now |
| 22:56:49 | Bagder | Nico_P: you can commit with both at once, but perhaps it makes sense to do one change at a time for easier tracking of things in svn |
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| 22:57:02 | Nico_P | pixelma: http://www.pastebin.ca/458359 |
| 22:57:24 | Nico_P | Bagder: probably yes... svn warns me against moving a file that has local changes |
| 22:57:35 | Bagder | aha |
| 22:59:47 | Nico_P | pixelma: it works fine on my X5 sim but if you can test soon I'll wait a bit before committing |
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| 23:00:31 | Nico_P | how can I force the remote backlight to go back on in the sim ? |
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| 23:01:41 | pixelma | wondered about this as well - as I'm compiling atm... have you tried setting the remote backlight to "on" through the menu? |
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| 23:02:07 | Nico_P | pixelma: good idea |
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| 23:02:39 | Nico_P | hmm it still comes off |
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| 23:04:51 | webguest86 | Has anybody been playing around with the D2 firmware? |
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| 23:09:53 | pixelma | Nico_P: the rwps backdrop doesn't get cleared when I enter a menu/browser or stop playback |
| 23:10:34 | pixelma | if it was in the wps before that is |
| 23:10:48 | Nico_P | pixelma: silly me :) |
| 23:11:25 | pixelma | but otherwise it works :) |
| 23:11:36 | webguest46 | I have an IRiver 120 and want to update Rockbox to the current build, it has been a long time since I did that and would like instructions on how to do the install. Should I unzip the download and transfer it to the root of the IRiver? Since it has been a long time sould I be installing the last build or start with an older build? |
| 23:12:32 | petur | webguest46: do you want to keep your settings? |
| 23:13:21 | webguest46 | Which settings? I have never realy used the unit much. |
| 23:13:59 | petur | then just unzip the latest 'current build' onto your iriver |
| 23:14:09 | feisar_ | /nick feisar |
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| 23:14:39 | webguest46 | OK petur,thks |
| 23:14:43 | petur | maybe you could also install a newer bootloader, don't know the history there |
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| 23:15:43 | webguest46 | Where do I find the bootloader info on the web |
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| 23:16:05 | webguest46 | mine would be over a year old |
| 23:16:24 | IRCGuest98 | Hey...everyone |
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| 23:16:38 | webguest46 | Do you refer to the Rockbox program ? |
| 23:16:39 | IRCGuest98 | anybody out here got a D2? |
| 23:16:49 | IRCGuest98 | a Cowon D2 player? |
| 23:18:43 | webguest46 | petur are you still there? |
| 23:19:10 | petur | a bit, yes |
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| 23:19:41 | webguest46 | when you mentioned the bootloader are you refering to the version of Rockbox? |
| 23:19:54 | petur | webguest46: wiki -> iriverboot |
| 23:20:12 | webguest46 | Ok I will take a look |
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| 23:24:12 | Nico_P | pixelma: solved... I had forgotten a few things :) |
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| 23:24:55 | pixelma | did you also try out that it doesn't break something for the irivers with mono display remotes? |
| 23:25:29 | webguest09 | petru, found the iriverboot page and will check my version later. Thks |
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| 23:25:47 | Nico_P | pixelma: not yet but I'll do that before I commit |
| 23:25:59 | * | petur hands webguest09 a proper nick ;) |
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| 23:31:05 | petur | bah... xubuntu doesn't install on a disk < 2GB :( −− bloatware |
| 23:31:34 | pixelma | Nico_P: in a H300 sim the main backdrop got cleared when I tried to confuse it with adding a "%X" to a non-existent file (extreme error checking ;) ) |
| 23:31:59 | Nico_P | pixelma: I just tried the exact same thing :) |
| 23:33:17 | pixelma | hehe... I'll leave it to you then :) |
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| 23:36:14 | Nico_P | pixelma: I just solved it... with a very ugly #ifdef |
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| 23:38:15 | Nico_P | I think I can commit now |
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| 23:40:22 | IRCGuest98 | I was interested in reverse engineer D2 firmware...any info of TELECHIP TCC7801 ....is it similar to any samsung or TI chip? |
| 23:40:26 | amiconn | Bagder: Seems like storebror.haxx.se is having problems... |
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| 23:43:20 | pixelma | I think he knows |
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| 23:44:48 | amiconn | If it's known, why not take it offline until it's fixed? |
| 23:46:45 | amiconn | Bagder: Red builds with no reason in the code are even more confusing than consistently red builds because of rombox being too big, imho |
| 23:47:32 | pixelma | I thought that it only showed up with the latest build *shrug* |
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| 23:52:47 | Rob24 | Whats a good theme for the 5th gen. ipod video? i cant decided |
| 23:53:36 | * | amiconn might have overlooked a comment |
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| 23:54:30 | amiconn | Nico_P: yellow... |
| 23:54:54 | Nico_P | damn |
| 23:55:08 | amiconn | And regaring moving+changing in svn in one go - I did this several times. SVN warns when moving a changed file, but not when changing a moved file :-P |
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| 23:55:52 | amiconn | ANd the moved file still shows the changes when viewing a diff, so things aren't hidden by doing this |
| 23:57:37 | Nico_P | amiconn: that warning was definitly not my fault :) |
| 23:57:44 | Nico_P | but I admit I should have tested |
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| 23:59:00 | pixelma | strange... I didn't see it when compiling the first version of that patch for a M5 sim |
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