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| 00:08:59 | IRCGuest98 | I was having a look at the samsung dualcore 32-bit processor for the mobiles.. |
| 00:09:46 | Rob24 | what are some must have games for rock box ipod? i allready have doom so im not sure what else there is i should get |
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| 00:21:39 | amiconn | remote_main_backdrop sounds like a contradiction ;) |
| 00:21:59 | Nico_P | :) |
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| 00:42:38 | Topy | i just made an X5 build with enabled AGC - the histogram works perfectly, i'll do some tests with the AGC now |
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| 00:48:05 | Topy | works. |
| 00:48:11 | Topy | choppy, yes, but works. |
| 00:48:38 | Topy | its not great, but its definately worth leaving enabled or at least it should be an option in the configuration tool |
| 00:50:45 | IRCGuest98 | A Lot of similarities between the Samsung S3C2413 and Telechip TCC78x |
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| 00:51:01 | Topy | it acts strangely though, probably because its set up to work with a hx00 (more gain steps) |
| 00:51:21 | Topy | and it should be deactivated if source is set to mic |
| 00:51:30 | Topy | (only 2 gain settings) |
| 00:53:32 | element_G | Hi everyone, At the moment I'm taking my first try at coding the bootloader for the gigabeat. I'm interested in getting the screen rotation patch to work, and I know this involves making a new bootloader. I know the idea is to have the bootloader load rockbox.gigabeat if no buttons are pressed on boot, and load rockbox_1.gigabeat if up is held during boot. I know the iPod has a mechanism that is something like this for the original |
| 00:53:32 | element_G | t is a bootloader that loads the rotated firmware. http://paste.uni.cc/14821 |
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| 00:56:20 | Topy | just tested AGC a little more |
| 00:56:21 | Topy | in fact |
| 00:56:25 | Topy | it works really quite well |
| 00:56:49 | Topy | the choppyness is not that much of a problem |
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| 01:02:06 | Topy | the default "AGC max. gain" value was a non working far-out setting, pressing left once got me into reasonable range |
| 01:02:24 | bawltdaba | still no rockbox for iPod 80gb? :( |
| 01:02:33 | Soap | not yet |
| 01:02:41 | bawltdaba | i thought the controller issues were fixed? |
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| 01:09:23 | Topy | www.t44.org/x5agc.jpg |
| 01:13:50 | pixelma | wow... and I thought the peakmeters in the official build were big... but congrats. :) |
| 01:14:10 | Soul-Slayer | Hey, currently on the H10, whilst on the WPS, the 'next' button does nothing... Would it be possible/easy to map it to view the current playlist? I usually navigate through my database to choose the songs, then it constructs the playlist, and if I press the back button to go on to the next song (by the same artist), it reconstructs the playlist, which takes longer to change track... Currently if I want to use the same playlist, I'd have to hold the 'ne |
| 01:14:21 | Soul-Slayer | Wooooow I didn't realise how much I just wrote, sorry :$ |
| 01:14:56 | pearldiver | element_G i hope you'll get somewhere with that |
| 01:15:20 | Topy | pixelma, i set them to 4x, i like big peakmeters :) besides, the space isnt used for anything else |
| 01:15:37 | Topy | (imho the peakmeters should be the first thing to see on the WRS, from any distance) |
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| 01:16:52 | Topy | i will do some intense testing of the AGC on X5 tomorrow, but until now, i really cant see why it was deactivated |
| 01:17:09 | Topy | sure, its not as elegant as on H100/H300, but its far from useless |
| 01:17:26 | element_G | pearldiver i hope so too, I'm just stumped as to where to go from here |
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| 01:36:33 | Topy | ok, plans for when i get the time to work myself into the rockbox code (and svn/linux/embedded coding while we're at it... *sigh*): |
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| 02:02:06 | IRCGuest98 | alright |
| 02:02:11 | IRCGuest98 | bye guys...catch you tomorrow |
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| 02:16:31 | perldiver | JdGordon here? |
| 02:16:41 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 02:17:17 | perldiver | this small thing really bothers me hehe, viewer icons don't work in the tango set and i have no idea why |
| 02:17:30 | perldiver | all the config files seem to be in order |
| 02:17:41 | JdGordon | perldiver: does the .icons file have 'm' instead of '*' ? |
| 02:17:45 | perldiver | yeah |
| 02:17:50 | perldiver | i mean |
| 02:17:51 | JdGordon | so fix it :) |
| 02:17:54 | perldiver | it has "*" |
| 02:18:06 | perldiver | author removed "m" a while ago |
| 02:19:01 | JdGordon | hmm... im heading to uni now... ill have a look ina few hours when i get bacl |
| 02:20:14 | perldiver | it just displays icon number 16 from the main set |
| 02:20:27 | perldiver | which is happen to be a "bulb" and used for the System menu |
| 02:24:45 | Soap | I was curious about that myself, but hadn't digged in too far, as this was my first day with the fancy icons. |
| 02:26:06 | Llorean | perldiver: There was a bug like that a while ago. |
| 02:26:18 | perldiver | aha |
| 02:26:22 | Llorean | It used the "system menu" icon for all the build in filetypes. |
| 02:26:28 | Llorean | built in, rather |
| 02:26:35 | perldiver | how come the other set works? |
| 02:26:55 | Llorean | Which set isn't working? |
| 02:27:11 | Soap | tango |
| 02:27:39 | Llorean | And what's not working? |
| 02:27:52 | perldiver | i just explained :P |
| 02:28:05 | Llorean | perldiver: I don't know what "it" means |
| 02:28:22 | Llorean | Is it all viewers, specific viewers, or what? |
| 02:28:30 | Llorean | Are MP3s given the proper icon, or no, etc? |
| 02:29:08 | perldiver | all the icons from the tango_viewers.20x16x16 don't work |
| 02:29:15 | perldiver | icons from the main set work OK |
| 02:29:33 | pixelma | maybe the viewer icon set has the wrong dimensions? (just throwing an idea out as I didn't look into that topic much so far) |
| 02:30:12 | Llorean | Gimme a minute to play with it |
| 02:30:28 | perldiver | pixelma it was working properly before a few days ago |
| 02:31:39 | Llorean | perldiver: It works for me |
| 02:31:43 | Llorean | perldiver: Oh, wait, one sec |
| 02:31:56 | * | Llorean forgot to update the build from earlier |
| 02:32:08 | Llorean | Well, specifically, forgot to restart the player with the updated build |
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| 02:34:35 | pixelma | perldiver: where could I fand that icon set? |
| 02:34:41 | pixelma | *find |
| 02:35:05 | perldiver | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IconSets |
| 02:35:18 | perldiver | 1st one there |
| 02:35:53 | perldiver | EliSherer set works OK though and it has "m" instead of "*" btw |
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| 02:36:35 | Llorean | perldiver: m vs * only matters for the non-viewer icons |
| 02:37:42 | perldiver | ah |
| 02:38:05 | Llorean | * tells it to use them from the main file rather than the viewers file |
| 02:41:31 | perldiver | any luck? |
| 02:42:05 | Llorean | Testing some things |
| 02:45:06 | Llorean | That's very strange. |
| 02:45:23 | Llorean | I have no clue, and my other iconset works fine |
| 02:45:28 | Llorean | Though it's much smaller |
| 02:46:30 | Llorean | Clearly the .icons file is being parsed, but at the same time it seems to ignore it, or fail after. |
| 02:48:29 | perldiver | yep |
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| 02:53:51 | zorton | is there a way to tell if i'm using the dual proc on my ipod nano? |
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| 02:54:48 | Llorean | zorton: Are you using an official build? |
| 02:54:57 | zorton | yep |
| 02:55:05 | Llorean | Then you're only using it for videos right now. |
| 02:55:06 | zorton | .cfg file created by rockbox r13005-070402 |
| 02:55:15 | zorton | haven't tried videos yet |
| 02:55:20 | Llorean | It has some problems that make it unsafe (crashes) for normal use. |
| 02:55:30 | zorton | is there an advantage in terms of battery power to firing up the other processor? |
| 02:55:32 | Llorean | That's a bit of an old build. |
| 02:55:45 | Llorean | It's hard to tell until we can actually test it. |
| 02:56:24 | zorton | i'm looking at ipod from an ssh connection so i'm uncertain which build it is |
| 02:56:35 | zorton | is there a way to tell by looking at the files in ~/.rockbox? |
| 02:57:34 | Llorean | You told me the .cfg file said that version. |
| 02:57:39 | * | zorton nods |
| 02:57:51 | Llorean | That's the version from 23 days ago or so |
| 02:58:02 | zorton | i'm assuming it's created once and updated only when you change settings |
| 02:58:10 | zorton | I maynot have changed any settings since then :) |
| 02:58:18 | zorton | I guess I could just download the latest and be done with it |
| 02:58:20 | Llorean | It's updated on shutdown. |
| 02:58:39 | zorton | ok, then it's time to update |
| 02:58:47 | zorton | is there progress on the recording stuff on the nano? |
| 02:59:10 | zorton | i've recorded a bunch of clips but having no gain control means I have to push in more than I would like to |
| 02:59:15 | Llorean | Nobody's really working on iPod recording right now |
| 02:59:35 | zorton | shame that |
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| 03:00:05 | zorton | it's a very useful feature for me at anyrate |
| 03:00:11 | Llorean | Well, feel free to work on it |
| 03:00:14 | Llorean | :-P |
| 03:00:17 | zorton | i'm tempted :) |
| 03:00:33 | zorton | where has most of the work been lately |
| 03:00:34 | zorton | ? |
| 03:03:35 | Llorean | In all kinds of places. |
| 03:03:39 | Llorean | Just wherever people are interested |
| 03:03:49 | zorton | cool |
| 03:04:06 | zorton | I was really impressed when the recording stuff worked on the nano |
| 03:04:22 | zorton | quite a few nay sayers in the ipod linux forumn said it could never be done |
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| 03:30:05 | JdG|uni | perldriver: around? |
| 03:30:18 | JdG|uni | or aliask? |
| 03:30:45 | perldiver | yeah |
| 03:31:04 | JdG|uni | do any of the tango icons work? |
| 03:31:15 | perldiver | yes, the main set |
| 03:31:28 | perldiver | [20:46] <Llorean> Clearly the .icons file is being parsed, but at the same time it seems to ignore it, or fail after. |
| 03:31:50 | JdG|uni | ok, i dont know if this will fix it or not.. but the .cfg is wrong... the full path should be there |
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| 03:32:06 | JdG|uni | viewers iconset: tango_viewers.20x16x16.bmp |
| 03:32:19 | JdG|uni | should be /.rockbox/icons/.... |
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| 03:33:02 | perldiver | ah |
| 03:33:06 | perldiver | let me try |
| 03:35:46 | Llorean | JdG|uni: Tried the .cfg with the full path |
| 03:35:55 | Llorean | JdG|uni: Didn't mention it in here though, simply because it didn't fix it for me. |
| 03:36:00 | perldiver | ah |
| 03:36:03 | JdG|uni | bugger |
| 03:36:11 | Llorean | perldiver: You should try it though |
| 03:36:14 | Llorean | Just in case I did something stupid |
| 03:36:37 | perldiver | same here |
| 03:36:41 | perldiver | doesn't solve it |
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| 03:39:46 | MadCow | Soap you there? |
| 03:39:58 | JdG|uni | Llorean: can you try it in the sim and see if the line saying the .icons file was opened please? |
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| 03:42:35 | JdG|uni | Llorean: dont worry.. time to work, ill be home in 3 hours or so... |
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| 03:46:18 | aliask | Damn, Just missed him |
| 03:47:50 | Soap | yoyoyo mad |
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| 03:47:58 | Soap | didn't wait long |
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| 03:53:13 | pearldiver | what happened? |
| 03:53:47 | aliask | What happened when? |
| 03:57:25 | pearldiver | we were discussing tango set |
| 03:58:01 | pearldiver | i left for a few minutes |
| 03:59:19 | pixelma | pearldiver: you could read back in the logs ;) |
| 03:59:47 | Llorean | Soap: Princess Bride references? Think many people will get them? |
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| 04:00:05 | Soap | I was going to ask scorche, I'll ask you. |
| 04:00:14 | Soap | Is that baiting? Should I drop that post? |
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| 04:00:41 | MadCow | Soap can you help me out with my Colinux problem? |
| 04:00:46 | Soap | there you are. |
| 04:01:24 | MadCow | yep |
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| 04:01:30 | Soap | PM? |
| 04:01:50 | Llorean | Soap: I think I'll leave it, just because I enjoy it. |
| 04:02:13 | MadCow | what PM? |
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| 04:04:04 | MadCow | OK wait a sec i have to register my nick |
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| 04:04:48 | Soap | or we can join a #junkchannel |
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| 04:52:40 | Rob24 | Know what would be a really sweet game for rock box? Dance Dance Revolution, like you dont have to worrie about having enough buttons all you need is like 4/5 |
| 04:53:05 | Soap | just have to worry about breaking buttons. |
| 04:53:13 | Soap | ;) |
| 04:53:27 | Rob24 | well if you dont need to PRESS the buttons |
| 04:54:05 | Rob24 | it would be like it is in with the rom just touch the buttons and dont need to press then you wont breack anything (speaching about ipod) |
| 04:55:20 | Llorean | I believe Stepmania is GPL licensed. Feel free to start working on a port, though I expect it to not be very easy |
| 04:55:52 | Rob24 | well, im a big fat newb that cant program so dont look at me |
| 04:56:33 | Llorean | Well it's in C++, so a _lot_ of work would probably need to be done |
| 04:56:51 | Rob24 | and it would take some one that know how to prgrame to do it |
| 04:57:03 | Soap | touch-sensitive buttons only exist on the ipods and gigabeats IIRC. |
| 04:57:12 | Llorean | Soap: And the H10 |
| 04:57:17 | Llorean | That silly strip |
| 04:57:22 | Soap | right |
| 04:57:26 | Soap | like I said - ipods. |
| 04:57:30 | Llorean | Hahaha |
| 04:57:32 | Soap | ;) |
| 04:58:26 | Rob24 | ipods for the win |
| 04:58:51 | chrisjs169 | is it safe to have the battery charge (sansa) via Rockbox or should i just load the OF? |
| 04:59:59 | Llorean | chrisjs169: It should be safe. |
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| 05:00:22 | chrisjs169 | Llorean: ok, thanks |
| 05:01:02 | Soap | Llorean: FS 7033...The WPS line-height patch. |
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| 05:02:27 | Llorean | Soap: What about it? |
| 05:02:42 | Soap | How is the font (verticaly) oriented in the line? always centered? |
| 05:02:58 | Llorean | Right now, always centered. |
| 05:03:07 | Llorean | It was originally justified to the top of the line |
| 05:03:20 | Llorean | And I believe the author said it'd be quite easy to justify to the bottom |
| 05:04:08 | Llorean | But of course, it has that scrolling issue |
| 05:04:11 | Soap | just curious. |
| 05:04:22 | Soap | I wasn't planning on using it, just thinking of how it /could/ be used. |
| 05:04:40 | Llorean | And if it's too complicated to be done elegantly (which it seems like it might be now), might as well stick with the viewports solution |
| 05:04:55 | Llorean | It didn't really do anything viewports couldn't do, it just had the potential to not require viewports for some basic functions |
| 05:06:37 | Soap | a viewport per line of text multiplied times the number of viewports with text in them sounds like it could get large fast. |
| 05:06:52 | Llorean | Yeah, in terms of buffer use at least. |
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| 05:11:49 | NineTeen67Comet | Hi all .. I beleive my wife's Ipod is a Gen4 grey scale but I'm not sure .. is there a sure fire way to tell? It looks like the pic .. on http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml this page .. |
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| 05:12:35 | Soap | note the buttons below the screen on the third generation ipods. |
| 05:12:55 | NineTeen67Comet | No buttons .. just the wheel and a screen .. |
| 05:12:56 | Soap | the first and second generation ipods had four curved buttons surrounding the wheel. |
| 05:13:01 | NineTeen67Comet | 20gig .. |
| 05:13:16 | NineTeen67Comet | nkay . it's a gotta be a 4th gen .. |
| 05:13:42 | Soap | then it be a 4th, as it is the only greyscale - full size - ipod with buttons integrated into the wheel. |
| 05:14:01 | NineTeen67Comet | secondly .. I have been looking for the Linux instructions .. in the firmware section the manual says to double click the .exe file, but that's not a good deal in *nix .. |
| 05:14:57 | Llorean | The linux section of the manual shouldn't tell you to do that... |
| 05:15:14 | NineTeen67Comet | Okay .. I'll look a little more .. I saw that, then the Mac OS part .. |
| 05:15:47 | NineTeen67Comet | Doesn't look like there is a section for firmware in Linux just bootloader install .. |
| 05:16:13 | * | NineTeen67Comet kicks himself in the shin .. sorry .. see it I think .. |
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| 06:18:21 | pearldiver | so, any updates on the tango icon set problem? |
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| 06:32:41 | snookums | Hi all .. I just tossed rockbox on the wifes gen 4 greyscale ipod and it seems to be pretty good stuff. She would however like to toss all her music and start over. We use Rythembox (linux) or simply use the file browser to move all the files/directories out of iPod_Control-Music? then update database again? |
| 06:34:20 | EbErT | i wouldn't pick them outta ipodcontrol, they're all labeled funny |
| 06:35:01 | EbErT | if you aren't going to use itunes, just dump them in again, its easy to update the database |
| 06:35:07 | snookums | Well I was going to just move them all over to the computer so she could load them all back up via rythembox .. they are all names F## .. |
| 06:35:49 | snookums | the database will find them no matter what directory I put them correct? I was going to make a Music directory and drop all her music in there for the database to find .. /root/Music type .. |
| 06:36:04 | * | snookums on the ipod |
| 06:36:55 | Soap | correct on the database question. |
| 06:37:12 | Soap | which is why you don't have to move them if you want to use the database. |
| 06:37:13 | EbErT | yeah, it will. but you dont have the music on her computer? |
| 06:37:19 | snookums | The way iTunes did it she didn't like, so she'd just assume toss all iTunes junk and do it her self with the file browser and or/rythembox .. |
| 06:37:44 | EbErT | i use itunes and rockbox, so i do what you're talking about |
| 06:37:45 | snookums | She's got them all on here too .. but she didn't know what she didn't have on her ipod so she wanted to start over .. |
| 06:37:54 | Soap | If the files on the ipod are non-replaceable, you can simply rename them based upon tags, all the ID3 tags are intact. They are mearly renamed and placed into folders based upon their Track Number. |
| 06:38:29 | snookums | okay . thanks guys .. she's set then .. I'll move all the songs off her ipod so she can start re-building it .. |
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| 06:39:51 | snookums | off to tinker .. thanks again .. just needed to know she wasn't out of luck on keeping the itunes goodies .. |
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| 07:00:58 | Nev | Hi - I have a very quick question - Does rockbox make it easier to transfer music to your mp3 player? |
| 07:01:28 | Llorean | Easier by my standards, yes |
| 07:01:32 | Llorean | No stupid software to deal with |
| 07:03:00 | Nev | So if I were to install rockbox, - it's just a case of using it as a mass storage device under linux? |
| 07:03:31 | Llorean | Yup |
| 07:03:46 | Nev | Legendary. Thanks :) |
| 07:09:16 | * | JdGordon slaps aliask around with a large ? ! |
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| 07:12:32 | JdGordon | good news everybody! I have tango icons almost fully working again |
| 07:12:50 | JdGordon | I honestly have no idea why its being wierd... but it seems some error checking code may be way off :p |
| 07:13:05 | pearldiver | ahh |
| 07:13:20 | pearldiver | what happened? |
| 07:13:30 | JdGordon | ive got it showing the mario icon for .mpg.. but its better than ? |
| 07:13:42 | Llorean | It's supposed to show the mario icon |
| 07:13:45 | Llorean | At least, I think it is |
| 07:13:52 | pearldiver | heh |
| 07:14:00 | pearldiver | no |
| 07:14:10 | JdGordon | for .mog? |
| 07:14:13 | JdGordon | mpg even |
| 07:14:13 | pearldiver | its a film roll icon |
| 07:14:31 | pearldiver | author got it wrong |
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| 07:14:44 | Llorean | pearldiver: MPG is 4 |
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| 07:14:47 | Llorean | 4 is the mushroom |
| 07:14:57 | JdGordon | oh.. so its correct |
| 07:15:02 | pearldiver | check the bmp |
| 07:15:09 | Llorean | Yes, I did |
| 07:15:14 | JdGordon | he .icons is wrong then |
| 07:15:14 | Llorean | The 5th one, #4, is the mushroom |
| 07:15:25 | Llorean | You start counting from 0, we're programmers, remember? |
| 07:15:33 | aliask | Yay for working icons. How come it was only the tango set? |
| 07:15:35 | JdGordon | why is a mushroom shown for movies? |
| 07:15:37 | pearldiver | film roll |
| 07:15:41 | pearldiver | :) |
| 07:15:49 | JdGordon | aliask: no idea... possibly because you use so few icons? |
| 07:16:08 | aliask | I see |
| 07:16:13 | JdGordon | although, that doesnt make sense :p |
| 07:16:22 | Llorean | pearldiver: Why do you keep insisting a film roll is supposed to show |
| 07:16:24 | aliask | In other news my xbox power supply is now outside my xbox :D |
| 07:16:29 | pearldiver | he mad a mistake |
| 07:16:40 | Llorean | Yeah, but right now, that's what the files say should display |
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| 07:16:50 | pearldiver | hehe ok |
| 07:16:54 | Llorean | So it'd confuse the issue to talk otherwise, for the moment. ;) |
| 07:17:02 | JdGordon | still got a bug to sort out.. but then ill commit |
| 07:18:20 | JdGordon | broke it aain :D |
| 07:19:05 | JdGordon | aliask: AH... i tihnk the problem is that icon #3 isnt used |
| 07:19:16 | pearldiver | oh |
| 07:19:27 | aliask | Woops |
| 07:20:39 | aliask | Oh, I have got the .icons file wrong |
| 07:21:05 | aliask | All the video stuff should be 3, not 4... |
| 07:21:14 | JdGordon | im debugging with the zip from the wiki |
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| 07:21:53 | aliask | JdGordon: That has the error as well |
| 07:22:01 | corevette | how do i improve the speed for frozen bubbles? |
| 07:22:15 | JdGordon | aliask: yep, which is why the bug was found... |
| 07:22:21 | aliask | corevette: Practice :) |
| 07:22:23 | JdGordon | i cant see why my fixes are not working now though |
| 07:22:37 | aliask | Oh. Hooray for my mistake then :) |
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| 07:23:13 | corevette | or how do i improve the speed to rockboy games? |
| 07:23:37 | aliask | corevette: Basically, you can't. I'm going to take a wild guess and say you have an iPod. Maybe 5g? |
| 07:23:51 | corevette | yes aliask |
| 07:24:43 | aliask | Ok. iPod's CPUs (the way we use them at the moment) aren't the best. Add to the fact that the 5g has a pretty big screen that has a slow driver, and you end up with slow rockboy and bubbles. |
| 07:26:04 | aliask | People are working on the CPU issues, which will provide a bump in performance, but it's still not going to be amazing. |
| 07:28:46 | EbErT | ya, i notied how slow the graphics were on the newest ipods- lame |
| 07:29:07 | EbErT | my photo scrolls really smoothly compared to the new ones |
| 07:29:27 | JdGordon | fixed :) |
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| 07:30:04 | alien8ed | will rockbox let me play ogg vorbis on my ipod? |
| 07:30:16 | EbErT | uh ya |
| 07:30:38 | aliask | JdGordon: Sweet |
| 07:30:54 | aliask | I should probably update the .icons file shouldn't I? |
| 07:30:55 | JdGordon | ... and in svn |
| 07:31:01 | JdGordon | yeah :) |
| 07:31:07 | JdGordon | but that sort of mistake is safe now |
| 07:31:54 | alien8ed | ebert: thank you |
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| 07:35:17 | pearldiver | JdGordon thanks |
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| 07:35:43 | * | aliask is 90% sure the zip is fixed now |
| 07:35:55 | aliask | Not used to the gnome archive manager |
| 07:36:29 | JdGordon | sif use gnome.... |
| 07:36:39 | aliask | It's prettier than KDE |
| 07:36:55 | aliask | Or at least it was at the time when I had to make the choice between the two |
| 07:37:23 | JdGordon | gnome is prettier than kde??? |
| 07:37:49 | * | scorche sticks to fluxbox or xfce |
| 07:37:57 | aliask | Yeah, the status bar thing (is||was) cluttered and stuff |
| 07:38:18 | * | JdGordon prefers xfce4 |
| 07:39:16 | JdGordon | Llorean: have you seen 7078? |
| 07:39:45 | JdGordon | cool :) bugfix got a negative delta |
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| 07:46:13 | amiconn | JdGordon's fix reminds me of sth .... :\ |
| 07:46:44 | JdGordon | a good something or bad something? |
| 07:47:04 | amiconn | Something that needs work.... |
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| 07:51:18 | JdGordon | amiconn: is the bootbot code all in /firmware, and not /bootloader? |
| 07:51:23 | JdGordon | bootbox* |
| 07:52:21 | amiconn | The part which is in bootloader/ for swcodec targets is in flash/bootbox/ |
| 07:52:56 | JdGordon | ok |
| 07:53:24 | amiconn | bootloader/ (and flash/bootloader/) are just the "app" part; both use the firmware lib for firmware functions |
| 07:54:33 | JdGordon | am I wrong in thinking a possible way of getting bootbox down is just removing the unused files in /firmware? or is there a better way? |
| 07:54:58 | amiconn | ? |
| 07:55:08 | amiconn | Unused code isn't linked to it |
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| 07:56:50 | amiconn | And for both bootloaders and bootbox, the firmware lib is compiled with -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections, and linking uses −−gc-sections |
| 07:57:22 | amiconn | So even unused individual functions aren't linked in |
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| 08:02:58 | n17ikh|Lappy | is there any work being done on the RCA lyra series? specifically the RD2780 |
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| 08:03:21 | steveo | ello anyone around? |
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| 08:05:31 | steveo | strange no one online =( |
| 08:06:50 | n17ikh|Lappy | I scared them all off |
| 08:07:44 | steveo | what can i use to convert .wma to .mp3? |
| 08:08:05 | n17ikh|Lappy | I suggest foobar2000 |
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| 08:08:11 | n17ikh|Lappy | but then that's me. |
| 08:09:18 | n17ikh|Lappy | then again, I'd say never convert lossy to lossy |
| 08:09:20 | n17ikh|Lappy | :/ |
| 08:09:34 | scorche | transcoding is bad |
| 08:09:56 | n17ikh|Lappy | unless it's transcoding lossless to lossless |
| 08:10:07 | n17ikh|Lappy | in which case it's mostly an exercise in futility >_> |
| 08:10:23 | amiconn | Well, if I'd had the choice between converting lossy to lossy or using the of for wma, I would choose the conversion |
| 08:10:46 | steveo | rockbox plays .wma? |
| 08:10:50 | amiconn | (but keep the WMAs so I could use them when rockbox learns to play them) |
| 08:11:12 | scorche | well, transcoding typically means lossy to lossy unless explicitly stated....and then it is typically just called a conversion |
| 08:11:22 | n17ikh|Lappy | doesn't look like it does, steveo |
| 08:11:26 | n17ikh|Lappy | probably licensing issues |
| 08:11:28 | scorche | steveo: no |
| 08:12:00 | scorche | n17ikh|Lappy: someone just has not sat down and coded it....the issue is that there is no current fixed-point implementation of it |
| 08:12:09 | n17ikh|Lappy | ah |
| 08:12:13 | scorche | but, that is one of our GSoC projects |
| 08:12:18 | amiconn | Not yet, that's why you need to transcode |
| 08:12:19 | n17ikh|Lappy | GSoC? |
| 08:12:27 | scorche | google summer of code |
| 08:12:42 | n17ikh|Lappy | ohes |
| 08:12:46 | amiconn | (or use the of for playing them on the targets where the of supports wma) |
| 08:13:14 | scorche | but regardless, Rockbox will never support DRM laden WMAs |
| 08:13:43 | n17ikh|Lappy | of course not |
| 08:14:01 | n17ikh|Lappy | drm pretty much fails at life |
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| 08:14:08 | steveo | lappy ok got ur foobar |
| 08:14:40 | n17ikh|Lappy | just load the songs up in it, right click, and convert em to some sort of mp3. |
| 08:14:48 | n17ikh|Lappy | though, when I think about it you might need lame.exe |
| 08:15:01 | scorche | i was just going to say.. |
| 08:15:24 | scorche | but if you can, please move this to PMs as it really doesnt have anything to do with rockbox |
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| 08:15:52 | n17ikh|Lappy | well, that's about as far as I was willing to go with it anyway |
| 08:16:12 | n17ikh|Lappy | as I'm going to bed. |
| 08:16:22 | steveo | yeah thats all i needed to know ill play around with it and see how it goes =) |
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| 08:16:52 | n17ikh|Lappy | oh, speaking of progress on rockbox |
| 08:17:01 | steveo | was jhmikes able to make the fastfarward\rewind for movies? |
| 08:17:17 | n17ikh|Lappy | is there somewhere I can view whether progress is being made on USB support for the iriver h10 series? |
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| 08:18:05 | n17ikh|Lappy | I'd like to help if I could, as I own one and could help test at least. |
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| 08:18:27 | n17ikh|Lappy | actually... is there usb support in any of the ports at all yet? |
| 08:18:55 | scorche | n17ikh|Lappy: well, there really isnt a place other than the log of this channel, but if testing is needed, we will call for it |
| 08:19:17 | n17ikh|Lappy | ah. |
| 08:19:18 | jhMikeS | steveo: yeah, you just whip that up in a day or two :P |
| 08:19:48 | scorche | all non-PP devices support USB (if i am not forgetting any) besides the gigabeat |
| 08:19:57 | n17ikh|Lappy | well, it's a PP device |
| 08:20:04 | scorche | yes it is |
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| 08:20:09 | n17ikh|Lappy | :/ |
| 08:20:15 | scorche | that is another GSoC project |
| 08:20:20 | n17ikh|Lappy | why so it is |
| 08:20:25 | scorche | so expect work on it during the summer |
| 08:20:32 | amiconn | scorche: The gigabeat supports usb and is not PP... |
| 08:20:52 | scorche | amiconn: ah....i seem to remember something about the dock not being supported |
| 08:20:54 | amiconn | Only the PP targets have soft USB as a device |
| 08:20:54 | steveo | hehe mikes ya never know ya might be superman |
| 08:21:30 | n17ikh|Lappy | so I assume it requires writing a usb stack or driver of some sort that runs on the hardware then |
| 08:21:47 | amiconn | The only non-PP targets I know of which need some work in the USB area are the iriver H300 and the iaudio X5, but that's USBOTG |
| 08:21:50 | n17ikh|Lappy | rockbox already has the handling of the filesystem built in? |
| 08:22:02 | n17ikh|Lappy | er, how's it work, rather |
| 08:22:39 | n17ikh|Lappy | rockbox accessing the filesystem at the same time usb is being used |
| 08:22:47 | scorche | a USB stack needs to be written, yes |
| 08:22:47 | steveo | i thought u guys said the quality drops? i cant tell any diffrence lol |
| 08:23:03 | n17ikh|Lappy | or does it go into a USB mode and then come out when you unplug the usb? |
| 08:23:09 | scorche | amiconn: am i imagining things about the gigabeat's dock? |
| 08:23:17 | n17ikh|Lappy | (just out of curiosity) |
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| 08:23:49 | amiconn | scorche: I don't know about the dock, all I know is that the gigabeat uses a dedicated usb<->ata bridge for MSD |
| 08:23:57 | scorche | ah...alright |
| 08:23:58 | amiconn | I have no gigabeat and no plans to get one |
| 08:24:23 | n17ikh|Lappy | ok, so the gigabeat does it in hardware. Does it prevent the firmware from having HDD access when the usb to ata bridge is doing so? |
| 08:24:45 | jhMikeS | steveo: life is often the kryptonite |
| 08:24:51 | amiconn | It's a modern but somewhat boring target... optimisation isn't really needed |
| 08:25:01 | amiconn | I'd rather want an iriver iFP7xx... |
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| 08:25:36 | scorche | i would want a SWcodec device that accepts a 2.5" HD |
| 08:25:40 | jhMikeS | amiconn: au contraire...it just takes it to a new level and for video it is an interesting target |
| 08:25:54 | * | scorche is waiting for a good deal on ebay for an AV300 |
| 08:26:21 | amiconn | Yes, but then I'm not really interested in video on a mobile, except from the "it can be done" point of view |
| 08:26:38 | amiconn | And for the latter, it's more challenging if you have less resources... |
| 08:26:45 | n17ikh|Lappy | I want a flash device with reasonable storage capacity |
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| 08:26:50 | n17ikh|Lappy | like a 40gb flash player |
| 08:27:11 | n17ikh|Lappy | seeing as how far flash has dropped in price |
| 08:27:15 | scorche | n17ikh|Lappy: that would be nice as well, but extremely expensive |
| 08:27:34 | n17ikh|Lappy | not too bad |
| 08:27:35 | steveo | any australians around? |
| 08:27:59 | n17ikh|Lappy | a 16gb usb flash drive is around $130 now, and that's probably a good deal more than the wholesale price of the chips |
| 08:28:16 | scorche | steveo: it is typically much better to ask a question if you have one rather than asking a question such as that |
| 08:28:32 | n17ikh|Lappy | of course, that's $325 just for the price of the flash, at that price |
| 08:28:45 | n17ikh|Lappy | I bet a 40gb 1.8" hard drive is rather cheaper. |
| 08:28:56 | scorche | it isnt |
| 08:29:19 | jhMikeS | amiconn: it is one mobile that really makes it watchable not to mention the general capability if you like things like the various game and game sound emulators. |
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| 08:30:01 | * | jhMikeS rather likes a nice SPC now and then with all the fancy filtering |
| 08:30:29 | steveo | well i was wondering how much a gigabeat f40 costs at the shops in australia atm |
| 08:30:43 | * | scorche wonders why B4gder doesnt just type that name in the CGI:IRC login screen |
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| 08:32:26 | amiconn | jhMikeS: My only real uses of rockbox are for listening to music and some simple games like jewels and solitaire every now and then |
| 08:32:58 | amiconn | The only non-streaming music format I really want to see supported are (amiga) mods |
| 08:33:43 | amiconn | And 4-channel mods should be possible even on a 11MHz CPU. The original amiga CPU had only 7MHz... |
| 08:33:58 | B4gder | ... but didn't use the CPU for the sounds |
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| 08:34:28 | amiconn | No, as long as no mixing was required |
| 08:34:36 | steveo | i just use mine for movies\music\pics\(well games are on there but havnt played em yet hehe) |
| 08:34:38 | amiconn | 8-channel mods did use the cpu though |
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| 08:36:45 | B4gder | but they could hardly mix 8 => 4 with a very good sample/bitrate on a 7mhz m68k, did they? |
| 08:37:20 | crwl | i recall playing up to about 10-12 channel mods (with software mixing) on a 20 MHz 80386DX |
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| 08:38:39 | jhMikeS | amiconn: well, I hope the mpegplayer buffering will be readily moveable to the core since it will be much simpler and it's giving me more ideas about handling everything under the sun in a reasonable way |
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| 08:49:30 | amiconn | B4gder: I don't know the exact sample rate used by formats like OctaMED or Oktalyzer, but even S3Ms (with not too many channels) could be played on plain 68000 afair |
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| 08:49:50 | amiconn | And the 68000 had no mac unit unlike the SH... |
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| 08:53:22 | steveo | when going through the files on my gigabeat f40 with rock box it somtimes freezes for like 4sec then jumps ahead (happens fairly often and its a bit annoying) anyway to stop it? |
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| 08:54:06 | steveo | oh and how to change text colour? |
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| 09:00:40 | linuxstb | steveo: Your first problem just sounds like the wait for the disk to spin up. If you want to avoid that, you can enable the directory cache (I think it's something like Settings -> General Settings -> System -> Disk) |
| 09:00:57 | linuxstb | Text colour can be changed under display settings. |
| 09:04:11 | steveo | where under display? i c "browse fonts" "brows .wps files" "lcd settings" "show icons" "scrolling" "status-scrollbar" "peak meter" "defualt codepage" |
| 09:04:28 | linuxstb | I'm sure you can find it... |
| 09:05:43 | steveo | lol ive searched every folder hehe couldnt see it there thats y i asked |
| 09:06:11 | linuxstb | It's "Foreground Colour" in LCD Settings. |
| 09:07:48 | steveo | no wonder lol |
| 09:07:50 | steveo | ty |
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| 09:36:19 | crop | On http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IconSets, i see that some one icon set has one column and the other has four. How should it be? Or does it work both ways? |
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| 09:38:52 | NineTeen67Comet | Eeek .. Restarted my iPod to try and refresh the database and .. I got a battery with a caution looking sign on it, then it went blank .. and that's that .. No USB, no boot, no nothing now .. just a grey screen on the old G4 .. help? |
| 09:39:50 | NineTeen67Comet | Battery maybe? That quick? It usually runs on a stand in the car or in the house .. so that batt never really got worked I think .. |
| 09:40:03 | petur | crop: where? |
| 09:40:32 | crop | petur: BuufNano 12x12x16 |
| 09:40:53 | crop | But on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomIcons it says it should be one column |
| 09:41:08 | petur | crop: looks like 1 column to me |
| 09:41:20 | petur | in the zip files |
| 09:42:11 | crop | petur: ah, so it's only multicolumn on the wiki page? I haven't looked into the provided zip |
| 09:42:35 | crop | petur: btw, there is an update for the 'view playlist' patch |
| 09:42:42 | petur | the 4 columns example is only to show how they look I think |
| 09:44:42 | petur | crop: no time, sorry |
| 09:46:49 | crop | petur: no hurry. I'm also watching the progress of that patch since I had the same issue. Just wanted to let you know. |
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| 09:47:08 | petur | crop: what number was it? |
| 09:49:38 | crop | petur: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7078 |
| 09:58:50 | SliMM | is there some sort of dynamic memory allocation function? |
| 09:59:37 | B4gder | is the time ripe for another round of malloc() tennis? ;-) |
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| 09:59:50 | B4gder | SliMM: nope |
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| 10:00:24 | SliMM | b4gder: damn.. |
| 10:00:24 | B4gder | well, you can make your own within a plugin/codec |
| 10:00:39 | SliMM | i don't know how :)) |
| 10:00:46 | B4gder | and at startup various parts can "nick" parts of the audio buffer |
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| 10:03:42 | intgr | "The codec is heavily x86-centric with lots of x86 assembly to speed up parts of the code - particularly a neural network." |
| 10:03:57 | intgr | Monkey's uses a neural network during decompression?! |
| 10:06:18 | petur | yes, keep those headphones in your ears! |
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| 10:09:45 | JdGordon | re: fs7078, does anyone agree with me that adding a new string to say no playlist to view is a waste and "No Playlists" would work fine there? |
| 10:10:12 | petur | JdGordon: agreed |
| 10:10:51 | JdGordon | B4gder: is 7080 marked critical becasue you forgot to change the default? |
| 10:11:59 | crop | JdGordon: I'm not sure. No Playlists would better be used in playlist catalog. Do we also have "No playlist" (without an S)? |
| 10:12:04 | B4gder | I just changed the type |
| 10:12:11 | B4gder | I didn't see the "critical" part for some reason |
| 10:12:27 | JdGordon | crop: well, i agree... but imo its not worth adding the string for this patch |
| 10:12:36 | linuxstb | intgr: I'm not sure which part of Monkey's audio uses a neural network, but it is definitely very CPU intensive - the gigabeat should be able to handle everything apart from "insane". But the other targets will struggle with just "fast". |
| 10:12:41 | JdGordon | B4gder: apparently the severity gets set t critical automatically... |
| 10:12:52 | B4gder | how... nice |
| 10:13:19 | B4gder | i set it to medium now |
| 10:14:04 | B4gder | that's one major thing the flyspray mails still lack => proper telling what changed |
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| 10:18:53 | crop | JdGordon: on a related note: when viewing a saved playlist, its name doesn't appear anywhere. Is it a feature or a bug? For on the fly list, we could use 'dynamic.' I.e. we could show the name that would be given when the playlist is (about to be) saved. |
| 10:20:13 | JdGordon | unless there is a string for dynamic playlist already i think its a waste... |
| 10:20:17 | JdGordon | Playlist is fine |
| 10:21:31 | scorche | hrm...is there a special stick that i can use prod people to discuss things on my dev-ml thread? |
| 10:22:04 | scorche | s/prod people to/to prod people into |
| 10:22:09 | JdGordon | scorche: its the +b stick |
| 10:22:18 | JdGordon | ban everyone from irc and thats all thats left.. |
| 10:22:25 | scorche | hah |
| 10:22:40 | scorche | i wouldnt mind if there was discussion about it here either ;) |
| 10:23:53 | JdGordon | which "it" shall we discuss? |
| 10:24:06 | scorche | well, you, nothing ;) |
| 10:24:13 | scorche | (devcon-west discussion) |
| 10:24:26 | scorche | i hate having to make decisions with no feedback |
| 10:24:36 | JdGordon | i say vegas... |
| 10:24:46 | scorche | are you going to come? =P |
| 10:24:59 | JdGordon | na.. i have a thing about going to america... |
| 10:25:05 | JdGordon | too many americans :D |
| 10:25:19 | scorche | sad thing is, i see your point |
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| 10:27:08 | webguest89 | hello, related to playlist, I have a question: |
| 10:27:37 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: hey, don't make go all the way over there to kick your ass :D |
| 10:28:02 | scorche | jhMikeS: your status on devcon-w? |
| 10:28:11 | webguest89 | why I cannot edit an m3u without played it and saved it? |
| 10:28:56 | webguest89 | I mean I open playlist and have all the tracks.... and if I remove and move tracks, the changes won't be changed |
| 10:29:08 | webguest89 | is this intended or bug? |
| 10:29:52 | webguest89 | I need to start the playlist and then make the changes on the fly and then save the current playlist (overwritting the previous one) |
| 10:30:03 | webguest89 | things could be easier :) |
| 10:32:30 | jhMikeS | scorche: June 30th? Bad date really. That's the up north time. |
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| 10:32:51 | scorche | hrm... |
| 10:34:09 | scorche | define "up north time" |
| 10:34:54 | jhMikeS | Everyone goes up to Leland for the 4th of July |
| 10:35:06 | scorche | it isnt the 4th of july! =P |
| 10:35:14 | scorche | just the 1st! |
| 10:35:40 | jhMikeS | yeah, but it's the days surrounding it too |
| 10:35:47 | webguest89 | any thought? |
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| 10:38:13 | scorche | jhMikeS: so no chance unless date is changed? |
| 10:39:34 | crop | webguest89: isn't the playlist you've opened then the current playlist? |
| 10:40:05 | jhMikeS | probably not June 30...no location set?...'less I missed a message |
| 10:40:28 | scorche | not really, although we are leaning heavily towards vegas |
| 10:40:41 | webguest89 | no, I mean in the file browser I just go to playlist and call context menu for show me the list, and then I edit it w/out played it, but the changes aren't saved ie: the moves delete...* |
| 10:41:43 | webguest89 | is this behaviour wanted or this is a bug or something? |
| 10:42:12 | crop | webguest89: I'm not sure what happens if you open a playlist via 'open with'. Is it a core feature of RB or a plugin? |
| 10:44:40 | markun | B4gder: wow, I got a mail back from Toshiba and they corrected the factual error on their site, pretty quick! |
| 10:45:08 | B4gder | nice |
| 10:45:24 | jhMikeS | markun: factual error? |
| 10:45:51 | markun | jhMikeS: the Gigabeat Australia website stated the Gigabeat X has an OLED screen |
| 10:46:15 | markun | which appeared in the wikipedia as one of the benefits of the X over the S |
| 10:46:57 | markun | I removed it from wikipedia and someone put it back |
| 10:48:03 | jhMikeS | aren't those just experimental atm? |
| 10:48:16 | markun | which are? |
| 10:48:36 | steveo | markun u have gigabeat and live in australia? |
| 10:48:39 | jhMikeS | the OLEDs |
| 10:48:44 | scorche | OLEDs are used in quite a few devices now |
| 10:48:55 | webguest89 | crop: core feature |
| 10:48:56 | markun | jhMikeS: the Gigabeat U and iriver clix2 have OLED screens I believe |
| 10:49:04 | steveo | whats a gigabeat say f40 cost in australia? |
| 10:49:08 | markun | steveo: no, I don't live in Australia |
| 10:49:15 | steveo | damn lol' |
| 10:49:39 | markun | they can be found on ebay for around 100 USD I think |
| 10:50:25 | scorche | jhMikeS: let me talk to febs and i will get back to you....that was really the only weekend that febs would be able to come for sure, so i will see...any other dates that would not be good for you? |
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| 10:50:35 | crop | webguest89: I assume only the current playlist can be saved. And if you just open a playlist without playing it it isn't the current one |
| 10:50:54 | crop | webguest89: but it's only my assumption |
| 10:51:21 | webguest89 | that is the point, you can sew it and move or remove tracks, but cannot save |
| 10:51:24 | jhMikeS | scorche: I'm thinking but I just don't know atm...it's not like things run on a regular schedule here, it really is per-job determined |
| 10:51:28 | webguest89 | doesn't sounds to logical |
| 10:52:16 | scorche | jhMikeS: alright...a maybe is alright....if you can, can you please add yourself to the wiki page? |
| 10:52:23 | markun | webguest89: doesn't sound logical to me either. How dow you open the playlist without playing it? |
| 10:52:36 | SliMM | how do i set the colour in the grayscale lib? |
| 10:52:49 | jhMikeS | markun: well, they say you can make them with an inkjet printer on Wikipedia so maybe someday we can just print new DAPs and whatnot...sounds a bit nuts now though :) |
| 10:52:59 | webguest89 | markun: bring up the context menu and go to playlis context and show playlist |
| 10:53:05 | jhMikeS | scorche: sure |
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| 10:53:34 | markun | webguest89: even afters years of rockbox use I learn new things every day :) |
| 10:53:54 | jhMikeS | markun: I've read about similar things for electronic circuits in general |
| 10:53:55 | webguest89 | hahaha :-) |
| 10:54:06 | webguest89 | but pity changes canot be saved |
| 10:54:30 | webguest89 | we can modify things and all, seems to be the hard part, and just for save; nothing :( |
| 10:54:48 | markun | webguest89: use the source luke |
| 10:55:05 | markun | (source code) |
| 10:55:32 | webguest89 | I don't have enough skills I think, plus I don't know the source code at all |
| 10:55:34 | webguest89 | :( |
| 10:55:49 | markun | non of us knew the source code before we started working on it |
| 10:56:11 | webguest89 | who was the one made the rockbox playlist stuff? |
| 10:56:23 | webguest89 | maybe he know how to do |
| 10:56:47 | crop | I think the first thing to look at is what "Save playlist" does, i.e. what playlist is saved. Or does the menu just lack the entry for save? |
| 10:57:08 | markun | webguest89: many people have worked on rockbox playlist stuff: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/playlist.c?view=log |
| 10:57:44 | webguest89 | crop save plalist only happen when the playlist is playing |
| 10:58:45 | webguest89 | markun: wow, impressive ! |
| 10:58:56 | crop | webguest89: so there is not menu entry? |
| 10:59:20 | webguest89 | crop: do you have any rockbox device for see it yourself? :) |
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| 11:00:07 | crop | webguest89: not right now |
| 11:00:10 | webguest89 | crop: the playlist menu when you select a m3u file, just contain the "show playlist" string |
| 11:00:17 | crop | webguest89: otherwise I wouldn't ask |
| 11:00:42 | webguest89 | and when you enter in it you have the playlist and all...like you are seeing the list during playback |
| 11:01:08 | webguest89 | then you can edit it and all, but once you made your changes when you exit, nothing saved |
| 11:01:41 | webguest89 | crop: tried simulators? |
| 11:02:02 | amiconn | hardeep is the main mr. playlist |
| 11:02:23 | crop | webguest89: well, I think a playlist is never saved automatically. After editing, you have to call up the context menu and select 'Save' Do you have that 'save' entry? |
| 11:02:24 | amiconn | Last seen in here a month ago |
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| 11:04:33 | webguest89 | crop: when don't have the save sting in this context |
| 11:04:39 | webguest89 | that is the lack |
| 11:04:48 | webguest89 | is hardeep here? |
| 11:06:08 | jhMikeS | the first playlist revision looks a little simpler than it is now I think :P |
| 11:06:56 | B4gder | hehe |
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| 11:07:15 | B4gder | amen |
| 11:07:17 | crop | webguest89: the next step would be to see why the entry isn't there. Just because it's not or because it wouldn't make sense there (i.e. we're not able to save a list not being played). But I have no time to do it now. This is a good chance for you to get taste of RB. |
| 11:07:31 | jhMikeS | from 4205 bytes to 104237 ... heh |
| 11:08:09 | webguest89 | I don't know if this could be usufull for rockbox or just for me ??? |
| 11:08:31 | webguest89 | but imho have the possibility to edit any playlist could be fine |
| 11:08:58 | * | B4gder never edited a single playlist with Rockbox... |
| 11:09:01 | webguest89 | crop: just need that someone code it, like always |
| 11:09:25 | webguest89 | B4gder: but can you see the use, or do you think is usuless? |
| 11:09:46 | B4gder | i know people think of it a great feature |
| 11:10:28 | webguest89 | I mean edit any playlist even isn't playing (thing that we don't have yet) |
| 11:10:45 | JdGordon | I tihnk it can edit playlists on disk |
| 11:10:58 | B4gder | given that we don't have it and I don't even think there's a ferature-request for it, i doubt it is a very large demand |
| 11:11:12 | webguest89 | JdGordon: folowed the discussion? |
| 11:11:30 | scorche | webguest89: you can always use the text editor ;) |
| 11:11:34 | webguest89 | B4gder: I don't like much fill feature request |
| 11:11:36 | * | JdGordon hasnt |
| 11:11:37 | B4gder | but I'm not shooting it down, it just is outside of what I care about |
| 11:11:46 | LinusN | there is a bug in the playlist editor, it can't save the playlist currently in use |
| 11:12:01 | webguest89 | scorche: indeed, but hard when you want to move plenty tracks removes... |
| 11:13:03 | webguest89 | easier with the playlist viewer |
| 11:13:47 | crop | IMHO editing a playlist should sit in a plugin and not in the core |
| 11:14:21 | webguest89 | LinusN: you can save current playlist here, but canot save your changes when the playlist isn't playing |
| 11:14:44 | webguest89 | crop: imho playlist viwer like we have now is the better way |
| 11:14:57 | webguest89 | it just lak of save changes |
| 11:15:10 | webguest89 | you can edit it and all, but not save |
| 11:15:19 | B4gder | webguest89: you wouldn't see much difference if it were a plugin or not |
| 11:15:21 | SliMM | how do i make a plugin a viewer? |
| 11:15:47 | webguest89 | thing B4gder: more HD access no? |
| 11:16:00 | B4gder | more? |
| 11:16:07 | B4gder | a playlist will require loads of it anyway |
| 11:16:13 | webguest89 | indeed |
| 11:16:31 | webguest89 | but that will take a bit more time with plugin no? (time in ms) |
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| 11:16:49 | petur | SliMM: put it in the viewers dir and add it to viewers.config |
| 11:17:02 | webguest89 | I'm thiniking to properties... tha use plugin |
| 11:17:16 | SliMM | petur: i want it in the viewers dir after the make |
| 11:17:17 | webguest89 | no direct infos, need to wait the disc to spin |
| 11:17:30 | SliMM | just like jpeg.rock or other viewers |
| 11:17:40 | webguest89 | but time for me to resume paid works :) |
| 11:17:46 | webguest89 | ba bye all |
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| 11:20:04 | SliMM | petur: any idea? |
| 11:24:52 | amiconn | SliMM: petur already answered your question... |
| 11:25:20 | amiconn | Just add it to viewers.config, the build system takes care of the rest |
| 11:25:46 | SliMM | that's it :) |
| 11:26:08 | crop | And how about factoring out playlist editor (for 'external' playlist) to a plugin? |
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| 11:26:51 | nevyn | I've been going through the installation instructions - they tell me to install the fonts package but don'et tell me how. |
| 11:27:14 | nevyn | (sorry for the typo's - I can't see what I'm typing.) |
| 11:28:04 | nevyn | quit |
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| 11:28:24 | JdGordon | that was odd :p |
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| 11:30:38 | markun | nevyn: in case you can read the logs: just unzip this file to your player: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts.zip |
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| 11:33:01 | nevyn | that's better... I can see what I'm typing. |
| 11:33:07 | nevyn | Is anyone around? |
| 11:33:12 | markun | nevyn: just unzip this file to your player: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts.zip |
| 11:33:33 | nevyn | just to the root dir? |
| 11:33:59 | crop | nevyn: yes |
| 11:34:16 | crop | nevyn: the zip file has the right folders inside |
| 11:34:36 | nevyn | Thanks.... was kind of looking blankly at the instructions... |
| 11:35:04 | crop | markun: have you looked at the nimbus patches? |
| 11:36:07 | pondlife | http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/chlog-20070425T120203Z.html - has it been discovered what caused it to use 13259-13259..? |
| 11:36:45 | markun | crop: oops, still not :) |
| 11:37:04 | crop | pondlife: bagder's hand passes over build server? :-) |
| 11:37:08 | nevyn | exit |
| 11:37:11 | pondlife | :) |
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| 11:41:15 | SliMM | why do i get this error: |
| 11:42:04 | SliMM | \/home/user/rockbox/build_ipod/apps/plugins/gifview.o: In function `loadgif': |
| 11:42:06 | SliMM | gifview.c:(.text+0xf40): undefined reference to `memcpy' |
| 11:42:30 | SliMM | without the backslash |
| 11:43:19 | crop | SliMM: because the linker doesn't see memcpy? |
| 11:44:07 | SliMM | yes, yes, but i didn't get that error on sim build |
| 11:44:22 | SliMM | there is no #ifdef SIMULATOR |
| 11:44:41 | SliMM | i also see no memcpy |
| 11:44:56 | petur | sim uses pc implementation of memcpy, on target you only have what's available |
| 11:45:02 | SliMM | memcpy isn't called anywhere |
| 11:45:12 | petur | isn't it part of the plugin api? |
| 11:45:45 | crop | SliMM: it should be called as api->memcpy(...) |
| 11:45:48 | linuxstb | gcc will be using memcpy to initialise a variable. |
| 11:46:04 | linuxstb | So you need to give it an implementation - just a small wrapper function calling rb->memcpy() |
| 11:46:31 | SliMM | linuxstb: i don't get it |
| 11:46:52 | linuxstb | gcc will be adding a call to memcpy on your behalf. |
| 11:47:00 | linuxstb | memcpy doesn't exist, hence the problem. |
| 11:47:24 | crop | linuxstb: that sound weird to me too |
| 11:47:35 | SliMM | so i should declare a void memcpy();? |
| 11:48:25 | crop | linuxstb: gcc uses memcpy to initialsi vars? memcpy is not a part of C, how can this ever be? |
| 11:48:26 | linuxstb | No, you shoulddefine "void *memcpy(void *dest, const void *src, size_t n) { rb->memcpy(dest,src,n); }" |
| 11:50:17 | linuxstb | BTW, that should be ... { return rb->memcpy(dest,src,n); } |
| 11:50:47 | intgr | crop: memcpy is definitely defined by all C standards. :) |
| 11:51:29 | crop | intgr: it's part of the C standard library but not of the language itselb. So I can' beleive gcc adds calls to it |
| 11:52:12 | amiconn | crop: Gcc does use memcpy internally for variable initialisation and struct copying |
| 11:52:36 | SliMM | http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer_sdk/ |
| 11:53:20 | amiconn | When an application is compiled with -ffreestanding, like rockbox, memcpy and a few other memory functions must be provided by the application |
| 11:53:28 | SliMM | thanks |
| 11:53:28 | amiconn | This is documented behaviour of gcc |
| 11:53:58 | SliMM | but why other plugins didn't get this error? |
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| 11:54:10 | amiconn | They don't use memcpy... |
| 11:54:20 | linuxstb | I think some of them do - you'll see similar memcpy implementations. |
| 11:54:25 | amiconn | ...or if they do, they have it defined like linuxstb told |
| 11:54:37 | crop | amiconn: thanks for clarification. So each plugin that uses some static vars must define memcpy? |
| 11:54:51 | amiconn | No, only if gcc actually tries to use memcpy |
| 11:55:12 | SliMM | amiconn: when does it try to use memcpy? |
| 11:55:24 | crop | amiconn: and for is it used for? To initialise vars? Which ones? Static? |
| 11:55:42 | intgr | Variables on stack that are initialized from static data. |
| 11:55:51 | amiconn | SliMM: You'll notice when getting erros... |
| 11:55:52 | intgr | I presume. |
| 11:55:56 | SliMM | and by the way, i think a small flash player would work on gigabeat |
| 11:56:06 | SliMM | amiconn: lol, ok |
| 11:56:16 | amiconn | Really, it can't be predicted |
| 11:56:18 | linuxstb | SliMM: Does a GPL-compatible flash player exist? |
| 11:56:35 | amiconn | There are cases where gcc uses memcpy on coldfire but not on SH, for the same C code |
| 11:56:38 | crop | amiconn: ok, good to know! |
| 11:56:53 | SliMM | don't know, i'm reading about the open source flash player here http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer_sdk/ |
| 11:57:39 | linuxstb | SliMM: That doesn't look open source... |
| 11:57:41 | markun | there are some I think: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ |
| 11:57:53 | petur | SliMM: that one is 1) commercial 2) has a per-unit license fee |
| 11:58:15 | intgr | Here's an example: http://rafb.net/p/rnmuWI33.html |
| 11:58:16 | SliMM | petur: i see now |
| 11:59:04 | intgr | (The memmove() is there just to fool the compiler into initializing it as non-const) |
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| 12:07:40 | amiconn | crop: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.0.4/gcc/Standards.html#Standards Check the paragraph starting "Most of the compiler support routines..." near the bottom |
| 12:12:58 | crop | amiconn: thanks. |
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| 12:15:20 | crop | I see a weird / dangerous code in playlist_viewer.c, func playlist_viewer_ex. There is a var declared as bool ret. An later in a {} block, another var int ret is declared. And in one {} block even both are used (not factually but by intention). |
| 12:17:05 | B4gder | -Wshadow anyone? ;-) |
| 12:18:58 | B4gder | wow |
| 12:19:04 | B4gder | that causes a flood of warnings |
| 12:19:53 | crop | B4gder: he-he. It's not just shadow, they are bot used! As in int ret = ... and two lines below: ret = true. Which is ok C wise but I'm sure not what the author wanted |
| 12:20:19 | crop | B4gder: shadow, when used properly, does no harm |
| 12:20:23 | B4gder | well, by warning on shadows such stuff is normally avoided |
| 12:21:48 | JdGordon | crop: your right thats naughty... but in this case it looks safe |
| 12:21:56 | JdGordon | in its current form anyway |
| 12:22:19 | JdGordon | hmm... maybe not |
| 12:22:32 | JdGordon | if (ret < 0) |
| 12:22:33 | JdGordon | { |
| 12:22:33 | JdGordon | ret = true; |
| 12:22:33 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK JdGordon |
| 12:22:33 | JdGordon | goto exit; |
| 12:22:33 | JdGordon | } |
| 12:22:37 | JdGordon | WTF? thats so wrong! |
| 12:22:47 | B4gder | ! |
| 12:23:08 | linuxstb | What does "svn blame" say? :) |
| 12:23:30 | B4gder | yeah, let's get name! |
| 12:23:33 | B4gder | ;-] |
| 12:23:36 | B4gder | a name even |
| 12:23:51 | petur | drum roll.... |
| 12:23:54 | JdGordon | hardeep |
| 12:24:05 | JdGordon | or kevin |
| 12:24:20 | B4gder | darn, nobody who's present |
| 12:24:27 | B4gder | no fun in public taunting then |
| 12:24:38 | pondlife | Hah, it's logged... |
| 12:26:03 | B4gder | -Wshadow causes 3929 warnings ;-) |
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| 12:27:12 | JdGordon | B4gder: maybe put that compile log onto the dev ml so we can think about fixing them? |
| 12:30:24 | pixelma | B4gder: btw. I was a bit surprised that a commit to the wps folder triggered a rebuild. IIRC that wasn't the case with cvs |
| 12:30:55 | B4gder | tools/svnupcheck.pl controls that |
| 12:31:15 | B4gder | if it speaks, a rebuild triggers |
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| 12:31:53 | B4gder | and yes, no mentioning of wps in there |
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| 12:41:57 | XavierGr | clear |
| 12:41:59 | XavierGr | oops |
| 12:43:34 | steveo | ok guys and girls how much u think a 6ft guy should weigh? |
| 12:45:21 | linuxstb | steveo: Are you in the right channel? |
| 12:45:48 | steveo | hehe well no one was talking so i asked a random question |
| 12:45:53 | B4gder | are you asking how many rockbox targets you should have? ;-) |
| 12:46:23 | Soap | I think that answer is on the front page. |
| 12:49:35 | crop | JdGordon: hehe, in this particular case, if (ret < 0) ret=true will even work since <0 and true are the same when viewd as bool. But it's not a nice code |
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| 12:53:09 | crop | JdGordon: interesting bin size deltas from your last commit: some go up and some go down! |
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| 12:55:36 | [steveo] | /msg nickserv set hide email on |
| 12:55:39 | [steveo] | woops |
| 12:55:46 | preglow | kudos |
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| 13:02:41 | Topy44 | i did not get any answer yesterday, so again: |
| 13:02:45 | Topy44 | www.t44.org/x5weirdnoise.zip |
| 13:03:04 | Topy44 | i suspect this noise is created by harddisk access due to ground problems |
| 13:03:20 | Topy44 | can anyone confirm that? is anyone else getting this type of noise |
| 13:03:31 | Topy44 | recorded with an X5L with external mics |
| 13:03:38 | preglow | sounds like hd access |
| 13:03:40 | Topy44 | first the original recording, then normalized |
| 13:03:56 | preglow | might not even be ground problems |
| 13:04:04 | preglow | the hd emits pretty strong stuff |
| 13:04:16 | Topy44 | hm yes |
| 13:04:30 | preglow | that's the cons of recording with something that pretty much sits on top of a hard disk |
| 13:04:32 | Topy44 | i wonder if there is SOME way of getting rid of that noise, its seriously annoying |
| 13:04:47 | preglow | the only way i see if it is the disk, is recording with a higher external gain |
| 13:04:51 | preglow | mic amp or some such |
| 13:04:56 | preglow | to utilise all the headroom you have |
| 13:05:16 | Topy44 | yes, i was recording at very low gain as i could not access the recorder during concerts |
| 13:05:23 | Topy44 | so i had to guess the gain setting |
| 13:05:36 | Topy44 | now with AGC working on the X5, that will be less of a problem |
| 13:05:37 | preglow | but i don't know how loud the hd usually is on x5 |
| 13:05:43 | preglow | on h120, i can hear the hd too, when recording |
| 13:05:57 | Topy44 | hm... |
| 13:05:59 | preglow | very silent, but i can hear it |
| 13:06:02 | Topy44 | i must open up the x5 at some point |
| 13:06:09 | Topy44 | and see if there is room for any mods |
| 13:06:19 | Topy44 | for example shielding between harddisk and PCB |
| 13:06:25 | preglow | on the bright side, you shouldn't get the noise too often |
| 13:06:30 | preglow | depends what format you record to, of course |
| 13:06:46 | Topy44 | uncompressed wave usually |
| 13:07:08 | Topy44 | i need maximum battery capacity, the question is what uses more: compressing the data or accessing the harddisk more often |
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| 13:07:21 | preglow | and a good question it is |
| 13:07:34 | B4gder | do 10 recordings with each and tell us the outcome! |
| 13:07:50 | preglow | but with that noise, i'd go for wavpack anyway |
| 13:07:56 | preglow | better quality recordings > battery time |
| 13:08:18 | Topy44 | that might be a good idea, i need to do some long recordings anyway to try to localize the FAT-corruption bug i had the first time... |
| 13:08:45 | Topy44 | preglow, well, if i miss half the festival because of empty batteries it wont do much good :) |
| 13:09:22 | Topy44 | i seem to get the noise pretty often... do you know how much the X5 will buffer before writing to disk? |
| 13:09:26 | crop | preglow: will there be HD artifacts if an external mic or line is is used? |
| 13:09:38 | Topy44 | crop, i AM using an external mic with a preamp |
| 13:09:45 | Topy44 | heres my setup: |
| 13:09:51 | preglow | crop: sure |
| 13:09:54 | linuxstb | Topy44: The X5 has 16MB RAM, so I'm guessing it will write about 13MB-14MB at a time. |
| 13:09:55 | preglow | crop: but less than with internal mic, ig uess |
| 13:09:57 | Topy44 | www.t44.org/x5equipment.jpg |
| 13:10:27 | Topy44 | well, the internal mic will get actual noise from the harddisk, all i'm getting with the external mic is electrical interference |
| 13:10:33 | crop | preglow: how does the signal from the HD gets into the sound? Are the two circuits connected? |
| 13:10:46 | preglow | crop: everything in a dap is connected |
| 13:10:51 | Topy44 | the internal mic is very sensitive and not decoupled from the unit, so it directly records the vibrations of the hd |
| 13:10:55 | preglow | crop: but with a hd, you get some pretty strong em radation too |
| 13:11:06 | preglow | radiation, yes |
| 13:11:25 | Topy44 | i will open up my x5 and try adding shielding, and meaby some filtering caps on the hd power lines |
| 13:11:37 | Topy44 | meaby adding a ferrite around its data cable aswell |
| 13:11:41 | Topy44 | something like that |
| 13:11:44 | preglow | worth a shot |
| 13:11:53 | Topy44 | (IF i can fit it, i guess its gonna be VERY tight inside the unit |
| 13:11:54 | Topy44 | ) |
| 13:11:55 | preglow | the power line probably already has caps, though |
| 13:12:01 | preglow | and you don't really need to filter a battery that much |
| 13:12:11 | preglow | but anywho, always worth a shot |
| 13:12:34 | Topy44 | i really like the x5, and i mainly use it for recording, but with that noise... thats not much fun |
| 13:12:48 | preglow | you could try getting something else |
| 13:12:53 | preglow | never got that loud noise with h1x0 |
| 13:13:00 | Topy44 | well, the problem is: |
| 13:13:01 | preglow | it's audible, but not that bad |
| 13:13:06 | Topy44 | i just bought the x5 a few weeks ago |
| 13:13:08 | Topy44 | brand new |
| 13:13:09 | Topy44 | but |
| 13:13:15 | Topy44 | i let it drop the first day :) |
| 13:13:16 | Topy44 | :( |
| 13:13:22 | Topy44 | so it got a ugly scratch |
| 13:13:29 | Topy44 | so i couldnt sell it at the price i paid |
| 13:13:43 | preglow | heh |
| 13:13:45 | amiconn | You can't fit ferrite around the data cable |
| 13:13:49 | amiconn | Absolutely no room |
| 13:13:53 | preglow | well, having two rockbox capable devices is surely never a bad idea :) |
| 13:13:57 | Topy44 | yeah, expected that |
| 13:14:14 | Topy44 | preglow, i seriously blew my budget with my recording equipment as it is already :) |
| 13:14:41 | preglow | well, at least that can be reused :) |
| 13:15:08 | Topy44 | no, i'll stick to my x5 for the moment |
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| 13:16:59 | Soap | how can shielding work when there isn't a "true |
| 13:17:06 | Soap | " earth to ground it to? |
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| 13:18:33 | preglow | you don't need actual ground, do you? |
| 13:18:51 | preglow | just wire it to - or something |
| 13:18:55 | preglow | not an expert, though |
| 13:19:11 | preglow | have to be careful if doing that, though :> |
| 13:20:06 | Soap | I'm not an expert - I was as much curious on technique. |
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| 13:44:29 | intgr | Are there any MP3 players that boot straight off USB? Because I think mine does that during firmware update. |
| 13:45:31 | Overand | intgr: boot off of USB? |
| 13:46:47 | intgr | Yeah. |
| 13:46:48 | intgr | Because it appears to be loading something onto the device in "recovery mode" before you can actually flash the ROM. |
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| 14:11:38 | B4gder | "boot" as in blindly use the PC as a device is unlikely |
| 14:12:02 | B4gder | doing some funny sending over data is more likely |
| 14:13:00 | B4gder | like the sansa's manufacture mode |
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| 14:19:15 | JdGordon | warning: declaration of ‘write’ shadows a global declaration <- scary warning! |
| 14:20:09 | B4gder | our code have that all over the place |
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| 14:25:03 | intgr | B4gder: What kind of scrambling do companies actually use for their firmware? |
| 14:25:41 | B4gder | from nothing, over just a checksum added, to XOR/ADD tricks to hard encryptions with digital signatures |
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| 14:26:50 | intgr | How much of the latter? |
| 14:27:19 | B4gder | the most modern players seem to use the hardest encryptions/signatures |
| 14:27:31 | B4gder | zune/gigabeat S, ipod nano 2nd gen are hard |
| 14:27:37 | intgr | Mine is at least 4 years old. |
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| 14:28:27 | B4gder | sandisk sansas use TEA encryption with a DSA signature |
| 14:28:48 | B4gder | luckily, with a few mistakes(?) done |
| 14:29:09 | intgr | Heh, yeah, that's what you get for security through obscurity. :) |
| 14:29:51 | B4gder | I wouldn't call TEA+DSA "security through obscurity" |
| 14:30:03 | linuxstb | But wasn't the bootloader unencrypted for the Sansa? i.e. giving you both the algorithm and the key... |
| 14:30:06 | intgr | TEA and DSA theirselves aren't obscure; the implementation is. |
| 14:30:45 | intgr | themselves* |
| 14:30:49 | B4gder | yes, the bootloader was/is unencrypted so they kind of showed their cards |
| 14:30:58 | intgr | Hehe. |
| 14:31:19 | intgr | Hmm, actually I can find plain ASCII strings in the .bin files of mine. Should try changing them. |
| 14:31:28 | amiconn | linuxstb: If there wouldn't be unencrypted code together with the unencrypted key, the unit couldn't boot... |
| 14:32:16 | linuxstb | amiconn: I'm talking about the copy of the bootloader which is on the disk prior to flashing. |
| 14:32:25 | linuxstb | On the 2nd gen Nano for example, that's encrypted. |
| 14:32:34 | B4gder | they could've left the unencrypted stuff on a flash |
| 14:32:39 | B4gder | which makes things harder |
| 14:32:47 | amiconn | So there should always be a way to break encrypted firmware. How hard it is depends on how hard the manufacturer tries to protect this unencrypted stuff |
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| 14:32:59 | B4gder | not really |
| 14:33:11 | B4gder | the zune has built-in encryption |
| 14:33:14 | amiconn | If it's in the flash, you need to unsolder the flash and read it out |
| 14:33:14 | B4gder | and keys |
| 14:33:29 | B4gder | as burnt fuses |
| 14:33:31 | amiconn | That'll get hard if the flash is epoxied to the board |
| 14:33:42 | intgr | With some chips you can lock the flash ROM, e.g. make the ROM unreadable. |
| 14:33:46 | amiconn | ...and even hard if it's internal to the cpu |
| 14:34:01 | intgr | Well, most chips I would presume. |
| 14:34:34 | amiconn | intgr: The cpu does have to read the flash at some point, meaning it is possible to unlock. And standard flash roms aren't locked |
| 14:34:49 | B4gder | intgr: the chips are normally external so the CPU needs to read them |
| 14:34:53 | B4gder | somehow |
| 14:35:45 | intgr | amiconn: Some chips only have embedded ROM that can be protected from being read by anything else than the chip itself. |
| 14:36:14 | intgr | But anyway, got to go. |
| 14:37:09 | amiconn | Yes, sure, see 7 lines above |
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| 14:46:29 | crop | I asked this before but got no answer. In some files, the copyright note was changed (after a significant change on the file). Is this legal? |
| 14:46:58 | markun | crop: I think normally you would just add a copyright |
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| 14:48:31 | JdGordon | would be so nice if we could just assign (c) on all files to rockbox.org or something.. so we dont have to worry about it |
| 14:50:33 | B4gder | crop: yes it is |
| 14:50:42 | B4gder | JdGordon: it would take some effort to do that |
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| 14:53:44 | * | B4gder is in the core team in Subversion and I get to see what it takes to make a full non-profit company with everything |
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| 15:19:13 | crop | B4gder: but can you do it just so? Or do you have to get the permission from the original copyright holder? |
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| 15:21:48 | linuxstb | crop: Do you have an example of such a commit? Was any of the original code left? |
| 15:22:40 | B4gder | well, if you add enough content of your own, or perhaps merge two files into one, I'd say that is the natural thing to do |
| 15:23:13 | linuxstb | But I wouldn't expect the original author to now not have any copyright claim to that file. |
| 15:23:30 | B4gder | it'll be a combined work |
| 15:23:32 | linuxstb | Or, more clearly, I would expect the original author to still have some copyright claim. |
| 15:23:41 | B4gder | yes, of his/her parts |
| 15:24:04 | linuxstb | But I think crop is saying that there's been commits where the original author's name has been replaced by the new author. |
| 15:24:37 | B4gder | oh |
| 15:24:43 | crop | linuxstb: exactly |
| 15:25:05 | B4gder | that has happened because 1) the original copyright text was wrong 2) the contents has no longer anything left from the original author |
| 15:25:05 | crop | That's what I didn't like |
| 15:25:21 | B4gder | the (1) case has happened numerous times in rockbox |
| 15:25:57 | B4gder | or 3) an evil commit |
| 15:26:12 | crop | B4gder: I think at least one line of code was retained. So the original author should still be mentioned |
| 15:26:38 | B4gder | yes, I think there should be little reasons not to keep the original author almost no matter what we do |
| 15:26:50 | crop | B4gder: I found it to be 3) |
| 15:27:17 | markun | so which commit are we talking about? |
| 15:28:44 | crop | Can't remember exactly. But I have a name in my head. But don't like to tell it (here). |
| 15:29:05 | markun | well, PM B4gder about it or something |
| 15:29:18 | crop | Do all the files have to bear a copyright note? Some bdf files don't |
| 15:29:20 | LinusN | we take these matters seriously |
| 15:30:58 | * | JdGordon thinks he may have done a naughty (c) commit or two at the begninig of is days |
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| 15:38:11 | crop | Code police notified ;-) |
| 15:41:04 | JdGordon | you'll never take me alive!@!! |
| 15:41:21 | linuxstb | JdGordon: What makes you think they want to? |
| 15:41:34 | JdGordon | hmm.. good point |
| 15:41:37 | JdGordon | :'( |
| 15:41:39 | linuxstb | ;) |
| 15:41:48 | crop | linuxstb: he-he |
| 15:45:37 | markun | JdGordon: hey, maybe it's not even you (is it me?) |
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| 15:48:55 | crop | Is it possible to query SVN for commits that changed lines with certain numbers? Then we could easily find such commits |
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| 15:49:30 | dionoea | crop: you can use svn blame filename |
| 15:49:42 | dionoea | and it'll tell you who last modified a line and in which commit |
| 15:49:57 | dionoea | AFAIK it doesn't show deleted stuff though |
| 15:50:24 | B4gder | right, it shows the currently existing lines and in what rev they were changed and by whom |
| 15:51:19 | crop | We could use SVN xxx | grep (c). But what should stand instead xxx? |
| 15:51:43 | markun | log? |
| 15:51:55 | markun | no, I guess not |
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| 15:53:14 | crop | markun: diff to the initial version? |
| 15:54:08 | linuxstb | You could do "svn annotate file", see what revision the (C) line was last modified, and see if that differs from the first revision of the file. |
| 15:54:09 | crop | markun: and then grep |
| 15:56:35 | JdGordon | cant we just say all files are (c) all the people in the credits file? |
| 15:57:30 | crop | linuxstb: what does svn annotate do? |
| 15:57:46 | B4gder | blame and annotate is the same |
| 15:58:00 | linuxstb | annotate is friendlier though... |
| 15:58:09 | linuxstb | Is there an "svn praise" ? |
| 15:58:18 | amiconn | Afaik there is |
| 15:58:25 | crop | JdGordon: I think no since the copyright is not shared (or gained) by the simple fact of contribution (even to that file) |
| 15:58:29 | linuxstb | Those crazy subversion people... |
| 15:58:39 | B4gder | blame (praise, annotate, ann) |
| 15:58:46 | amiconn | It's also an alias for annotate |
| 15:59:23 | B4gder | perhaps we should just make it rule that we never remove copyright names |
| 15:59:41 | LinusN | that's perhaps the easiest |
| 15:59:52 | B4gder | and that you're free to add your own if you think you've done a large contribution to a file |
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| 16:00:49 | crop | B4gder: yes, that sounds sensible |
| 16:01:03 | amiconn | B4gder: It's still unclear what to do if you invent new files with large portions of code from other files |
| 16:01:10 | B4gder | true |
| 16:01:16 | amiconn | ...e.g. when splitting stuff for target tree |
| 16:01:21 | LinusN | amiconn: then you should add the names from those files |
| 16:01:32 | crop | amiconn: keep the names |
| 16:01:36 | B4gder | yes, to be consistent you should add the names from those files |
| 16:01:46 | crop | amiconn: and add yours |
| 16:01:59 | B4gder | well, if you want to |
| 16:02:07 | amiconn | If it's mainly just a split, I just took the copyright lines from the old files |
| 16:03:15 | crop | amiconn: IMHO it's up to you to add your name. If you don't like the don't but IMO you have all rights in that case since we have a new 'copyright entity' |
| 16:04:10 | amiconn | (e.g. the sh1 adc split) |
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| 16:07:38 | markun | What is the copyright used for? To ask for permission to do things with the code which are not covered by the license? |
| 16:07:50 | LinusN | yes |
| 16:08:17 | Topy44 | i just opened up my X5L, and in fact, there is plenty of space in it for modding stuff |
| 16:08:38 | Topy44 | at least its not nearly as packed as i expected it |
| 16:10:42 | JdGordon | ... but that doesnt make sense... because the person at the top of the page only did the initial work, lots of people hold copyright to the file |
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| 16:11:00 | markun | JdGordon: what doesn't make sense? |
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| 16:11:26 | JdGordon | "To ask for permission to do things with the code which are not covered by the license?" being the reason for the (c) message |
| 16:11:26 | markun | to only assign it to a few people and not all? |
| 16:11:31 | Pz | Is it possible to make a custom rockbox splash screen? |
| 16:12:09 | markun | JdGordon: well, maybe he can just use the code written by the copyright holders then and has to remove the other commits :) |
| 16:12:13 | Pz | Also.. my rockbox doesn't look anything like this http://www.alwaysbeta.com/wp-content/uploads/smcbride/rockbox/ipod_0.jpg |
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| 16:12:28 | amiconn | JdGordon: tot eh? ;) |
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| 16:12:46 | markun | Pz: and do you want it to look like that? |
| 16:12:51 | Topy44 | i just removed the harddisk with the stuck-on second battery |
| 16:12:56 | Topy44 | really weird construction |
| 16:13:07 | Topy44 | and: |
| 16:13:14 | Pz | markun, yes... currently, mine is just a greyish, text only deal |
| 16:13:23 | markun | well, that's the default |
| 16:13:32 | Topy44 | there is NO shielding AT ALL between harddisk and PCB! |
| 16:13:47 | markun | Topy44: maybe the hdd case is the shield? |
| 16:13:55 | * | JdGordon heading tot eh bed.. cyaz |
| 16:14:00 | markun | JdGordon: good night |
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| 16:14:26 | Pz | markun, do you know where i can get it to be like that? is that a theme or something? |
| 16:14:29 | Topy44 | markun, certainly, to a degree... |
| 16:14:47 | markun | Pz: yes, those are themes, let me look up a link for you. |
| 16:14:54 | Pz | markun, dank je |
| 16:14:59 | Pz | :P |
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| 16:15:03 | markun | Pz: geen dank :) |
| 16:15:08 | Topy44 | the X5L really IS a strange construction... with the 2 indipendant batterys, one being 3x the size of the other... |
| 16:15:16 | Topy44 | and just stuck onto the harddisk |
| 16:15:19 | markun | Pz: but lets continue in english |
| 16:15:33 | markun | Pz: here are some http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=320x240x16 |
| 16:15:38 | Pz | ty |
| 16:15:47 | Pz | my left button doesnt work on my ipod anymore :( |
| 16:15:54 | markun | for some you may need to use an unofficial build |
| 16:16:16 | amiconn | Topy44: Yes, the L models have a secondary battery that's just wired in parallel. The smaller one is the only battery of the non-L models |
| 16:16:24 | Topy44 | amiconn, i know |
| 16:16:39 | amiconn | This does apply to all the coldfire based hdd players from cowon, i.e. iAudio M3, M5 and X5 |
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| 16:17:21 | Topy44 | there is enough space in the unit that it might be possible to place a ferrite around the datacable - if i could find one exactly the right size |
| 16:17:28 | Topy44 | not sure if it would help anything though :) |
| 16:17:30 | Pz | markun, oh, i cant use those.. i am on a nano |
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| 16:17:50 | markun | http://www.rockbox-themes.org/ |
| 16:17:58 | markun | there are also nano themes |
| 16:18:10 | Pz | ty |
| 16:20:56 | Topy44 | i wonder which part is the DAC... wiring in shielded cables from line in to dac would probably help |
| 16:21:31 | markun | Topy44: what are you trying to fix? |
| 16:21:51 | markun | some noise during playback/recording? |
| 16:21:51 | Topy44 | markun: www.t44.org/x5weirdnoise.zip |
| 16:21:56 | Topy44 | during recording, yes |
| 16:22:03 | Topy44 | caused by harddisk access probably |
| 16:22:57 | Pz | markun, is there a way to make it so that i can press another button to go back instead of rewind? i can use the touch feature, just not the click feature for rewind |
| 16:24:07 | Topy44 | markun, got any suggestions? |
| 16:24:29 | linuxstb | Pz: You can change the source, but Rockbox has enough problems with lack of buttons on the ipod already, it won't be easy to make do with one less... But see apps/keymaps/keymap-ipod.c |
| 16:24:31 | markun | Topy44: no, sorry |
| 16:24:55 | Pz | linuxstb, :( n/m |
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| 16:26:30 | Topy44 | hm! |
| 16:26:33 | Topy44 | i wonder... |
| 16:26:50 | Topy44 | if i would exchange positions of the secondary battery and the harddisk |
| 16:27:00 | Topy44 | the battery would be between the harddisk and the pcb |
| 16:27:04 | Topy44 | that might help |
| 16:27:24 | Topy44 | the data cable looks long enough, should still fit in |
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| 16:32:46 | Pz | hmm, which versions include rockboy? |
| 16:33:26 | Topy44 | fits in! |
| 16:34:14 | Topy44 | now, lets do some testing... |
| 16:35:13 | Pz | it doesn't list .gb files in the file viewer |
| 16:36:31 | linuxstb | What do you have the "show files" setting set to? Also, are you using the "current build" of Rockbox - rockboy was only added for the Nano recently. |
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| 16:37:37 | intgr | Does anyone have a 68k binutils lying around? |
| 16:39:01 | Topy44 | so, i just successfully modded my x5 - now lets check if it helps anything :) |
| 16:39:38 | linuxstb | intgr: Why not just build it from source? The CrossCompiler wiki page tells you how. |
| 16:40:08 | intgr | Because I don't have Cygwin installed here and I don't even know if I'm going to need it. |
| 16:40:21 | intgr | And I'm anxious to know whether it decompiles. :) |
| 16:40:25 | linuxstb | So what do you have? |
| 16:40:43 | intgr | Two .bin files I'd like disassembled. |
| 16:40:56 | linuxstb | I mean in terms of environment... |
| 16:41:17 | intgr | Ah, just the output of an 'objdump -rld' |
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| 16:46:23 | Topy44 | hm... |
| 16:46:34 | Topy44 | when i am recording, i use an external mic preamp |
| 16:46:50 | Topy44 | with seperate gain and output controls |
| 16:47:01 | Topy44 | now, what gain should i set the X5 to? |
| 16:48:36 | Topy44 | as my goal is to record with as much headroom and dynamic range, and as little noise as possible |
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| 16:49:45 | Topy44 | hm, the x5 IS pretty noisy really... |
| 16:53:00 | Topy44 | hmm, meaby i'm mistaken, but it seems turning around harddisk and battery INCREASED the noise... |
| 16:55:33 | Topy44 | no, it didnt |
| 16:55:36 | Topy44 | its just still the same |
| 16:55:44 | Topy44 | and i am now sure that its from the harddisk |
| 16:55:56 | Topy44 | and its also audible during playback, but only if set to VERY high levels |
| 16:57:32 | Topy44 | a really flat ferrite might really help |
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| 17:02:29 | amiconn | Topy44: If the noise is induced due to bad grounding instead of bad shielding you're out of luck. Changing that would require changing the wiring on the pcb, which isn't possible |
| 17:02:49 | Topy44 | thats what i'm afraid of |
| 17:03:02 | Topy44 | i am currently recording ONLY the noise, at maximum gain |
| 17:03:19 | Topy44 | to look at the characteristics of it a little closer |
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| 17:03:41 | Topy44 | it appears about every 10,5 mb |
| 17:04:06 | Topy44 | there is some basic hiss aswell, but thats not as disturbing |
| 17:04:43 | Topy44 | uuuh |
| 17:04:57 | Topy44 | there is an even higher frequency noise as soon the supack is connected |
| 17:05:25 | Topy44 | and very faint mains humm when the power supply is connected |
| 17:06:06 | Topy44 | my custom made cable does not make any noise |
| 17:06:24 | Topy44 | hm... some more ideas. |
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| 17:11:20 | Topy44 | hm... |
| 17:11:36 | Topy44 | the noise is very regular and has a distinct pattern... it might be possible to filter it |
| 17:11:53 | Topy44 | it really looks like digital noise to me actually... |
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| 17:13:49 | Topy44 | its made up of blocks of about 40ms, in groups of 10 blocks, with 15ms pauses in between |
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| 17:14:46 | Topy44 | and the noise is REALLY high frequency, every sample has a completely different value, so its basicly 44khz noise... but its not uniform, so you can hear lower frequency stuff going on |
| 17:16:57 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 17:17:54 | Topy44 | www.t44.org/x5-justnoise.zip |
| 17:18:05 | Topy44 | normalize it to hear it, or just zoom in to look at it |
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| 17:20:12 | Topy44 | hm! |
| 17:20:43 | Pz | Anyone know why .gb files don't show up in file viewer? |
| 17:21:53 | linuxstb | Pz: Last time you asked, I said: What do you have the "show files" setting set to? Also, are you using the "current build" of Rockbox - rockboy was only added for the Nano recently. |
| 17:22:16 | Pz | Yes, I am using the current build. Let me check on the show files |
| 17:23:22 | Pz | supported |
| 17:24:00 | Topy44 | [17:02] <amiconn> Topy44: If the noise is induced due to bad grounding instead of bad shielding you're out of luck. Changing that would require changing the wiring on the pcb, which isn't possible |
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| 17:24:14 | Topy44 | yes, i think its a ground problem |
| 17:24:24 | markun | Pz: set it to 'all' as a work around |
| 17:24:33 | Topy44 | i will now open the x5 again, and put the harddisk as far from the unit as the cable allows |
| 17:24:38 | linuxstb | markun: "supported" doesn't work? |
| 17:24:41 | Topy44 | and start it up |
| 17:24:50 | Pz | ok, i changed it to 'all' and clicked on it, but it had no effect |
| 17:24:56 | markun | linuxstb: well, he had it on supported and they didn't show up, right? |
| 17:24:59 | Topy44 | if the noise stays the same, its definately caused by ground problems, not shielding |
| 17:25:32 | linuxstb | Pz: Do you have rockboy.rock in .rockbox/viewers/ ? And do you have a line for .gb files in .rockbox/viewers.config ? |
| 17:25:32 | Pz | This is the firmware I am using: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipodnano/rockbox-ipodnano.zip |
| 17:26:59 | Pz | Yes, I have a rockboy.rock, gb,viewers/rockboy,6 gbc,viewers/rockboy,6 |
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| 17:27:33 | linuxstb | Then it should be working... If you do a long-press on select when selecting a .gb file, can you choose "open with" and then rockboy? |
| 17:28:40 | Pz | returned error |
| 17:29:57 | linuxstb | I've no idea then... Do you have music playing? |
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| 17:30:37 | Topy44 | argh, disconnect |
| 17:30:38 | Topy44 | anyway: |
| 17:30:43 | Topy44 | confirmed: its a ground problem |
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| 17:33:07 | Pz | whoops |
| 17:33:14 | Pz | was a gba game.. didnt notice |
| 17:34:34 | markun | those will probably never run on an ipod nano |
| 17:37:01 | Topy44 | i just connected the 20gb harddisk of another mp3 player i have |
| 17:37:13 | Topy44 | lets see if the volume or length of the noise changes |
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| 17:38:25 | Pz | hmm, are there any homebrew plugins out there? |
| 17:38:46 | Topy44 | btw, that other player is another player that would be nice supporting... its a portalplayer based chinese model sold in germany under the "medion" brand |
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| 17:39:03 | Topy44 | its quite common, and its OF sucks A LOT |
| 17:40:49 | Topy44 | the original model is "HannStar K MV-7" as marked on the PCB, its sold here as "medion MD95200" or "md220" (it has two different model names on the box and on the unit... |
| 17:40:50 | Topy44 | ) |
| 17:41:03 | linuxstb | markun: I noticed you said "ipod nano", and not Rockbox... Do you have plans? |
| 17:41:27 | Pz | want foken met de markun is en zelfmoordpogin |
| 17:41:29 | Pz | :D |
| 17:41:52 | markun | linuxstb: not really :) I just thought the portalplayer wouldn't be powerful enough |
| 17:42:23 | markun | Pz: I didn't realise it was you. Did you change your nick is is my memory just very bad? |
| 17:42:39 | Topy44 | oh, and there is a 100% firmware compatible model called "md440", only the controls are slightly different (a zen-like touch-"bar" instead of an ipod like touch-"wheel") |
| 17:42:55 | Pz | markun, changed my nick :P |
| 17:43:09 | Pz | markun, well, got disconnected and this was my default nick |
| 17:44:34 | markun | linuxstb: I don't understand this http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_12_2/roku-m1000-media-player-5-2005.html |
| 17:44:52 | markun | "In all cases, the lossless file is decompressed on the computer and transmitted as LPCM to the M1000." |
| 17:45:21 | markun | they have a 400MHz Blackfin and think it's better to decode the files on a separate server? |
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| 17:46:47 | Llorean | markun: It sounds like the device doesn't do the decoding, so that it can support more formats. |
| 17:47:02 | Llorean | That way they don't have to be bothered with supporting them, just demand the computer do it. |
| 17:47:36 | linuxstb | Isn't part of the soundbridge open source? I don't know if that's the server software, or the firmware though... |
| 17:48:06 | Llorean | linuxstb: It says it can play with Windows Media Connect, for WMA lossless |
| 17:48:19 | Topy44 | *sigh* no change... |
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| 17:48:36 | Llorean | So somewhere along the way it can talk to proprietary software. |
| 17:48:58 | Pz | Does ipod have a built in microphone? |
| 17:49:02 | Llorean | No |
| 17:49:27 | Pz | Oh, you have to hook one up to get the voice stuff working? |
| 17:49:37 | linuxstb | Apple would make you buy the lcd separately if they could get away with it... |
| 17:50:38 | Topy44 | well, they DO sell the ipod shuffle... :) |
| 17:50:40 | Llorean | linuxstb: Don't say that, or they'll start offering upgrade kits for make the Shuffle into a Nano-equivalent.r |
| 17:50:44 | Soul-Slayer | I'm considering buying a new DAP, and now I'm so accustomed to Rockbox I'm more interested in getting one that supports it... Does anyone know which target would be best to run Rockbox stably, largish colour screen and large capacity? |
| 17:50:45 | Topy44 | ok, no lcd available for it... |
| 17:50:59 | Llorean | Soul-Slayer: Gigabeat F or X series |
| 17:51:34 | Soul-Slayer | Thank you, I'll look into them |
| 17:52:57 | Soul-Slayer | What is the difference between the F and X series? |
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| 17:55:10 | Llorean | What they look like. |
| 17:55:21 | linuxstb | Soul-Slayer: The X is very hard to find, so it's probably irrelevent... |
| 17:55:31 | Llorean | The X has a slightly larger screen, though the same number of pixels, and a slightly smaller case |
| 17:55:37 | Llorean | It also *might* have a slightly smaller battery |
| 17:55:38 | Soul-Slayer | Fair enough - The F seems to be pretty elusive right now too, lol. |
| 17:55:58 | linuxstb | There were a large number on ebay last time I checked (a few days ago). |
| 17:56:12 | Llorean | Everyone who bought one for $99 just so they could sell it for $150 |
| 17:56:13 | Soul-Slayer | I trust the number following the F/X refers to it's capacity? |
| 17:56:20 | Llorean | Yup |
| 17:56:40 | linuxstb | Note that if you're looking to upgrade the disk in the future, the F10/20 have smaller cases than the F40/60 |
| 17:56:55 | Soul-Slayer | So all of them are supported with Rockbox? I'm not going to run into a problem like the 80gb ipod? |
| 17:57:00 | Llorean | Nope |
| 17:57:07 | Llorean | As in "no you won't run into a problem" |
| 17:57:10 | Llorean | Since you asked two questions. |
| 17:57:11 | Soul-Slayer | Great, okay |
| 17:57:17 | Soul-Slayer | True, sorry, lol. |
| 17:57:32 | Llorean | The 80gb iPod is more or less a special case. |
| 17:57:34 | markun | Soul-Slayer: don't buy the Gigabeat S by mistake |
| 17:57:53 | markun | it might be supported in future, but it isn't right now |
| 17:58:00 | Soul-Slayer | Okay, thank you |
| 17:58:20 | Soul-Slayer | I remember a while back people were praising the H3XX, has the Gigabeat overtaken that now? |
| 17:58:35 | Soul-Slayer | Or is it a question of preference? |
| 17:58:44 | Llorean | It's a matter of what you want from a device |
| 17:58:50 | Llorean | You listed a large color screen and high capacity |
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| 17:59:11 | linuxstb | The Gigabeat has a much faster processor, so is capable of more things - e.g. video playback, playing games like rockboy and pacbox at the same time as listening to music. |
| 17:59:17 | markun | Soul-Slayer: the Gigabeat doesn't have recording or FM radio |
| 17:59:27 | Soul-Slayer | Yes, that's important, I currently have a 6gb H10, which has neither of those. |
| 17:59:28 | Llorean | The Gigabeat also has twice the display area (in pixels) of the H300 |
| 17:59:35 | Soul-Slayer | That's fine, I have my H10 for recording and radio |
| 17:59:49 | Soul-Slayer | Interesting. |
| 18:00 |
| 18:00:07 | Topy44 | PHEW! i just thought i lost a screw |
| 18:00:38 | Soul-Slayer | What about chances of 'bricking' a player whilst putting rockbox on? Do either players require flashing? |
| 18:01:15 | linuxstb | The h300 requires flashing, but afaik, no-one has ever bricked one with Rockbox. |
| 18:01:30 | Llorean | With the Gigabeat, they're fairly safe. If you do something wrong, they're recoverable, though it requires opening them and disconnecting the disk as a step, but you shouldn't ever get to that point |
| 18:01:44 | Llorean | As long as you follow the instructions it's just a file copy |
| 18:01:57 | Soul-Slayer | Okay, great :) |
| 18:02:07 | * | Topy44 likes his basicly un-brickable x5 :) |
| 18:02:10 | Soul-Slayer | Time to hunt ebay for F series Gigabeats then :p. |
| 18:03:02 | Soul-Slayer | Oh yes, one more issue, battery life |
| 18:03:04 | linuxstb | Soul-Slayer: I think around $100 USD is the going rate for an F40. |
| 18:03:20 | linuxstb | I think it's around 15-16h |
| 18:03:39 | Soul-Slayer | Great :p I'm used to getting like 4 hours on my H10 |
| 18:04:38 | Soul-Slayer | So that would be around £50? That's very cheap :o |
| 18:05:29 | Soul-Slayer | Oh wow, you were right, ebay is swarmed with F40s, lol |
| 18:06:25 | linuxstb | A US store was selling them new for $99 a couple of weeks ago... |
| 18:06:42 | Topy44 | so, my x5 and md220 are back in one bit again |
| 18:07:06 | Soul-Slayer | I'll check a few electrical stores aswell as ebay then |
| 18:07:51 | linuxstb | They sold out in about 24 hours. |
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| 18:08:43 | Soul-Slayer | Youch... That popular? |
| 18:09:59 | Llorean | Well the price before then was US130-180 for a new one |
| 18:10:08 | Llorean | So 99 was pretty good |
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| 18:23:27 | Topy44 | umh... is there a propper carrying bag for the X5L? |
| 18:23:37 | Topy44 | one that has a hole for the subpack connector |
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| 18:33:14 | nikkyd | Hi all .. I wanna know if I will be able to pass lock an ATA HDD by atapwd ? |
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| 18:33:35 | nikkyd | Is it possible? |
| 18:33:38 | vertic23 | hi |
| 18:33:42 | nikkyd | HI |
| 18:33:59 | vertic23 | I am looking for new headphones - my broke today |
| 18:34:09 | nikkyd | Is it possible to passlock an ATA HDD by atapswd? |
| 18:34:22 | vertic23 | anyone got a suggestion? |
| 18:34:33 | Topy44 | vertic23, koss the plug |
| 18:34:43 | Topy44 | (NOT "the spark", the new version, they suck) |
| 18:34:56 | Topy44 | and mod them (close the vent holes with glue or tape) |
| 18:34:58 | vertic23 | http://www.amazon.de/Koss-Audio-Video-Eletronics-156407/dp/B00001P4XA |
| 18:35:07 | Llorean | This channel isn't really appropriate for headphones discussion |
| 18:35:13 | Llorean | Try perhaps the Head-fi forums. |
| 18:35:17 | vertic23 | thanks Llorean for telling |
| 18:35:27 | nikkyd | Please help me ? |
| 18:35:38 | Llorean | nikkyd: Nobody knows. |
| 18:35:45 | Llorean | At least, nobody here right now |
| 18:35:46 | Topy44 | vertic23, for the price, they are the best you can get. if you want something better, you will have to spend a LOT more money |
| 18:36:00 | Topy44 | but unmodded, they sound terribly muddy |
| 18:36:00 | vertic23 | can't believe that :P |
| 18:36:02 | Llorean | It's an old tool, and you're asking if it can be used for a purpose other than what it's used for in relation to Rockbox. |
| 18:36:10 | vertic23 | well my Sony that broke were about 25€ |
| 18:36:14 | Llorean | Topy44: As I said, this is not an appropriate channel |
| 18:36:15 | vertic23 | or was it 50€? |
| 18:36:16 | Llorean | Please take it to PMs |
| 18:36:18 | nikkyd | Why .. so .. afterall it is there on your pass? |
| 18:36:24 | Topy44 | Llorean, sorry |
| 18:36:25 | nikkyd | :O |
| 18:36:28 | vertic23 | Llorean you got a better channel? |
| 18:36:33 | nikkyd | I am really taken aback |
| 18:36:41 | Llorean | vertic23: This is #Rockbox, it's for discussion of the Rockbox firmware. |
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| 18:36:55 | nikkyd | Is there any new tool to do these? |
| 18:37:02 | Llorean | nikkyd: That page was last modified 4 years ago |
| 18:37:06 | nikkyd | :O |
| 18:37:08 | Llorean | nikkyd: And that tool is for removing a password. |
| 18:37:17 | nikkyd | IS there any new tool ... yes.. |
| 18:37:26 | nikkyd | I wanna assign pass |
| 18:37:27 | nikkyd | So? |
| 18:37:34 | Llorean | So, your question has nothing to do with Rockobx |
| 18:37:46 | vertic23 | exactly - please leave nikkyd |
| 18:37:49 | nikkyd | I want to pass protect an ATA HDD ... but can you please help me .. please .. |
| 18:37:53 | vertic23 | no! |
| 18:37:54 | nikkyd | Okey |
| 18:37:57 | vertic23 | this is rockbox chat |
| 18:37:59 | nikkyd | :( |
| 18:38:02 | vertic23 | don't you get it? |
| 18:38:03 | nikkyd | BYeee |
| 18:38:08 | vertic23 | faster! |
| 18:38:10 | nikkyd | Yeah ... okey |
| 18:38:13 | nikkyd | :D |
| 18:38:15 | nikkyd | Ha ha |
| 18:38:16 | Llorean | vertic23: Seriously, lighten up |
| 18:38:17 | nikkyd | Funy |
| 18:38:19 | vertic23 | still there |
| 18:38:22 | nikkyd | Faster .. :P |
| 18:38:24 | nikkyd | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:38:29 | nikkyd | Thats not a good manner |
| 18:38:31 | nikkyd | lol |
| 18:38:33 | vertic23 | indeed |
| 18:38:39 | nikkyd | lofl |
| 18:38:41 | vertic23 | we don't talk about rockbox - pls stfu |
| 18:38:43 | Topy44 | (moments where this channels could use operators...) |
| 18:38:49 | Topy44 | -s |
| 18:39:02 | nikkyd | Ha ha .. okey guys and gals |
| 18:39:06 | nikkyd | Have a nice time |
| 18:39:07 | nikkyd | Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 18:39:17 | nikkyd | N00b w00t |
| 18:39:25 | nikkyd | HA hah |
| 18:39:29 | nikkyd | lol |
| 18:39:33 | vertic23 | stfu |
| 18:39:41 | nikkyd | w00tty n00bs |
| 18:40:15 | nikkyd | la la |
| 18:40:35 | nikkyd | few w00tty n00bs here .. lol .. they even dont know good manners .. lol |
| 18:40:44 | Llorean | nikkyd: Clearly you're one of them |
| 18:40:48 | nikkyd | :P |
| 18:40:53 | nikkyd | Ha ha .. not realy |
| 18:40:55 | nikkyd | You know why |
| 18:40:56 | Llorean | nikkyd: You neither read the channel guidelines nor seem to respect them |
| 18:41:06 | nikkyd | WAo .. bao to all of you |
| 18:41:09 | nikkyd | :P |
| 18:41:14 | nikkyd | RESPECT .. lol |
| 18:41:44 | nikkyd | well .... have a nice time and dont need to wave the sword of administration .. lol |
| 18:41:45 | nikkyd | Ha ha ha |
| 18:41:50 | nikkyd | byeeeeeeeee n00bs |
| 18:41:55 | nikkyd | :P |
| 18:42:14 | Topy44 | hm... i have an idea for a workaround for my harddisk access noise problem... rockbox COULD try to do the writes during peaks where the noise would be inaudible |
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| 18:42:31 | Topy44 | that would be a lot of work for such a speciality feature though :) |
| 18:42:55 | Llorean | Topy44: Is there noise on line-in recordings? |
| 18:42:58 | Topy44 | yes |
| 18:43:03 | Topy44 | during hd write |
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| 18:43:50 | Topy44 | i took apart my x5 and did a lot of testing, its clearly not coming from bad shielding, probably its due to bad grounding or meaby the signal line is simply going to close the data lines on the pcb... |
| 18:44:06 | Topy44 | but since you are not here i dont know why exactly i'm telling you this. |
| 18:44:06 | Topy44 | :) |
| 18:45:14 | vertic23 | I am interested |
| 18:45:20 | vertic23 | beacause I have a X5V |
| 18:45:45 | Topy44 | aah |
| 18:45:47 | Topy44 | well: |
| 18:46:03 | Topy44 | i took the x5 apart and did a LOT of testing around... and nothing influenced the noise |
| 18:46:15 | Topy44 | could you do me a favor? |
| 18:46:30 | vertic23 | ...first tell |
| 18:46:32 | vertic23 | then I decide hehe |
| 18:46:33 | Topy44 | start rockbox, set to uncompressed wave |
| 18:46:37 | Topy44 | go into recording mode |
| 18:46:40 | vertic23 | ok |
| 18:46:54 | Topy44 | set gain to maximum |
| 18:47:06 | Topy44 | (set source to line in before of course) |
| 18:47:18 | Topy44 | record until the file is at least about 12mb |
| 18:47:41 | Topy44 | that should take quite exactly one minute |
| 18:47:57 | Topy44 | it buffers about 10-11mb before writing |
| 18:48:03 | vertic23 | 20 db?` |
| 18:48:05 | vertic23 | gain |
| 18:48:38 | Topy44 | uh? |
| 18:48:43 | Topy44 | i cant go above 12db |
| 18:48:51 | Topy44 | did you set source to line in? |
| 18:48:54 | vertic23 | nop |
| 18:48:56 | vertic23 | now+ |
| 18:49:10 | pixelma | that's the internal mic gain setting... |
| 18:49:14 | vertic23 | volume? |
| 18:49:18 | Topy44 | doesnt matter |
| 18:49:41 | vertic23 | do I need to plug some line-in in? |
| 18:49:43 | vertic23 | :P |
| 18:49:48 | vertic23 | or just record |
| 18:49:50 | Topy44 | nope, just record silence |
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| 18:50:07 | vertic23 | ok I am on the way |
| 18:50:11 | Topy44 | ok |
| 18:50:56 | Topy44 | did you set it to uncompressed? mp3 or similar will take forever to fill up the buffer :) |
| 18:51:02 | vertic23 | hehe |
| 18:51:06 | vertic23 | I saw the hdd writings |
| 18:51:11 | Topy44 | ah ok :) |
| 18:51:12 | vertic23 | there was noise |
| 18:51:20 | vertic23 | at about 10 mb |
| 18:51:23 | Topy44 | exactly |
| 18:51:29 | Topy44 | do you have a wave editor? |
| 18:51:32 | vertic23 | yes |
| 18:51:45 | Topy44 | could you just cut out the noisy part and send it to me? |
| 18:52:11 | Topy44 | it has to be an uncompressed wave though, mp3 would probably just silence it out |
| 18:52:28 | Topy44 | but it should compress fine with zip or rar |
| 18:53:15 | Topy44 | i want to compare it to the noise my x5l recorded, especially the exact volume of it... i wonder if there are big variations between units or if its always the same |
| 18:53:20 | vertic23 | hmm |
| 18:53:29 | vertic23 | I don't see any peaks in my waveeditor |
| 18:53:30 | Topy44 | the first would mean that it might be possible to improve |
| 18:53:37 | Topy44 | you wouldnt, they are to faint |
| 18:53:44 | vertic23 | lol... |
| 18:53:54 | vertic23 | but it was like at the beginning some "szzSHHSZzmmm" |
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| 18:54:02 | vertic23 | I can send you that |
| 18:54:14 | Topy44 | at the beginning? no, it should be at 10mb |
| 18:54:25 | Topy44 | if you dont mind, just send me the whole file |
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| 18:55:04 | Topy44 | (zip it or so before) |
| 18:55:44 | vertic23 | oh, lol... 15 mb compressed to 3 |
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| 18:55:58 | vertic23 | Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg ) |
| 18:56:06 | vertic23 | ah ok.. right - but DCC may work ^^ |
| 18:56:07 | Topy44 | yes, dcc wont work |
| 18:56:09 | Topy44 | ah ok |
| 18:56:11 | Topy44 | try |
| 18:56:14 | vertic23 | I don't know hehe |
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| 18:56:20 | vertic23 | doesnot seem to work though hehe |
| 18:56:22 | pixelma | I bet that was the sound of the hd spinning up since he recorded from internal mic (most probably) |
| 18:56:23 | vertic23 | I am triying |
| 18:57:08 | Topy44 | try http://uldl.t44.org/ |
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| 19:02:20 | Topy44 | still thinking... it might be possible to do something like... "if average signal strength was above X db for the last X ms, and write buffer is more then X mb full, write out NOW" |
| 19:02:35 | Topy44 | so if possible, it would move writes into loud parts |
| 19:03:12 | vertic23 | http://uldl.t44.org/dl.php?id=77972999 |
| 19:03:18 | Topy44 | thanks |
| 19:04:15 | vertic23 | hmm if you are able to code this - without having to much cpu % etc. |
| 19:05:41 | Topy44 | i might try it |
| 19:06:24 | Topy44 | so, just analysed your recording... its basicly the same as mine... even though it has slightly different characteristics, meaby you have a different HD model in yours or something |
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| 19:06:38 | Topy44 | but its exactly the same volume |
| 19:06:38 | Topy44 | SO |
| 19:06:45 | Topy44 | i'd guess its the same on all units. |
| 19:06:54 | Topy44 | (bleh) |
| 19:07:08 | Topy44 | ok, we'll have to get around it with software |
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| 19:07:42 | vertic23 | hehe |
| 19:07:56 | vertic23 | this actually really sucks indeed |
| 19:07:59 | vertic23 | I never thought about it |
| 19:08:08 | vertic23 | have you tried it with the original firmware already? |
| 19:08:10 | vertic23 | same thing? |
| 19:10:10 | Topy44 | yes |
| 19:10:14 | Topy44 | its a hardware problem |
| 19:10:33 | Topy44 | i just hadnt noticed it with the OF because it obviously writes much less often |
| 19:10:38 | Topy44 | (because it records mp3 only) |
| 19:11:08 | vertic23 | ...what about mp3 though? |
| 19:11:14 | Topy44 | hm? |
| 19:11:17 | vertic23 | I mean.. the audiophile always want BEST quality |
| 19:11:29 | vertic23 | btw ...can you edit the presets? |
| 19:11:38 | Topy44 | what are you talking about? |
| 19:11:41 | vertic23 | like -V0 −−new-preset |
| 19:11:47 | vertic23 | lame |
| 19:12:03 | vertic23 | I think that mp3 would be enough - am I wrong? |
| 19:12:05 | Topy44 | i dont understand what you are trying to tell me :) |
| 19:12:10 | Topy44 | no its not |
| 19:12:19 | Topy44 | since i am using it to record live material |
| 19:12:25 | Topy44 | which is heavily treated afterwards |
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| 19:12:32 | vertic23 | treated? |
| 19:12:33 | vertic23 | like how |
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| 19:12:39 | vertic23 | edited? |
| 19:12:41 | Topy44 | so the mp3 artifacts get much more present |
| 19:12:48 | vertic23 | okay |
| 19:12:52 | Topy44 | edited, yes, but a lot of eq-ing and so on |
| 19:13:11 | vertic23 | ok, I understand you |
| 19:13:13 | Topy44 | dynamic treatment, normalisazion, ... |
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| 19:13:27 | Topy44 | mp3 works by leaving out stuff you dont usually hear anyway |
| 19:13:34 | Topy44 | but if you amplify and twist around the signal |
| 19:13:35 | vertic23 | yeah |
| 19:13:42 | vertic23 | I gotcha |
| 19:13:52 | Topy44 | you get to hear the parts that the mp3 encoder considered "neglectable" |
| 19:14:13 | vertic23 | but... in case you only want to "rip" a cd |
| 19:14:26 | vertic23 | mp3 is "ok", right? |
| 19:14:41 | Topy44 | then, of course, recording directly to mp3 is fine, even though the internal encoder is probably not the same quality as a properly set up lameenc |
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| 19:14:42 | vertic23 | I mean.. you plugin a CD-Player - record ... |
| 19:14:50 | Topy44 | but why would you do that? |
| 19:14:52 | vertic23 | it is not lame used? |
| 19:14:57 | vertic23 | is it possible to use lame though? |
| 19:15:08 | amiconn | nope |
| 19:15:25 | vertic23 | should be |
| 19:15:45 | amiconn | lame is a very high quality encoder not suitable for realtime operation |
| 19:16:00 | Topy44 | its faster, easier and better quality to rip a cd on the computer and transfer the finished mp3s to the player, there wouldnt be many occasions where you'd actually want to record from a cd to your x5... |
| 19:16:11 | amiconn | rockbox' mp3 encoder is based on the shine encoder |
| 19:16:21 | Topy44 | the cpu of the x5 and most other targets wouldnt be anywhere fast enough for lame probably |
| 19:16:28 | amiconn | correct |
| 19:16:28 | Topy44 | +near |
| 19:16:33 | vertic23 | true |
| 19:16:45 | vertic23 | maybe in some years then |
| 19:16:48 | Topy44 | still, for most people, the quality is good enough |
| 19:16:48 | vertic23 | :P |
| 19:16:53 | vertic23 | okay |
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| 19:17:07 | Topy44 | in some years, we wont be using mp3, we'll all just use lossless compression formats... |
| 19:17:12 | amiconn | My estimation is that lame -preset standard would take 10..20x the playtime of the encoded file on the x5 cpu |
| 19:17:19 | vertic23 | true |
| 19:17:21 | Topy44 | since we all carry around DAPs with 4tb memory :) |
| 19:17:25 | amiconn | I.e. encoding a 3 minute track would take 30..60 minutes |
| 19:17:26 | vertic23 | indeed |
| 19:17:44 | vertic23 | would suck :P |
| 19:17:51 | vertic23 | could use my laptop then |
| 19:18:01 | Topy44 | umh, you are missing the point |
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| 19:18:27 | Topy44 | ah, sorry, I am missing the point, i thought you were talking about my vision of 4tb DAPs :) |
| 19:18:37 | vertic23 | hehe |
| 19:18:51 | vertic23 | tell me more about those DAPs |
| 19:18:55 | vertic23 | how do they look |
| 19:19:09 | vertic23 | do they have a chip with rockbox maybe? |
| 19:19:26 | Topy44 | probably they are implanted into your brain stem. |
| 19:19:44 | Topy44 | and use your brain for storage |
| 19:19:51 | vertic23 | like in that movie |
| 19:19:52 | vertic23 | right? |
| 19:19:57 | vertic23 | with keanur reaves |
| 19:21:35 | Topy44 | you loose control over your left arm and the ability to do additions in your head, but hey, who needs that if you can have a DAP playing music directly OUT of your memory INTO your memory! :) |
| 19:22:06 | vertic23 | hmm |
| 19:22:21 | Topy44 | ANYWAY, lets get a little more serious. |
| 19:22:26 | vertic23 | there is a superfluent "transfer" imho |
| 19:22:32 | vertic23 | hehe |
| 19:22:45 | Topy44 | i'll start reading myself into the rockbox code tonight |
| 19:22:49 | vertic23 | ok |
| 19:23:07 | Topy44 | and will see if its doable without to much trouble to sync hd writes to audio peaks... |
| 19:23:21 | vertic23 | alright |
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| 19:34:33 | myrkx | can anyone help with some rockbox install problems? |
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| 19:40:14 | Topy44 | what platform? |
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| 19:41:58 | myrkx | iPod video 30gig |
| 19:43:25 | myrkx | it talks, but seems to be saying a different menu than the one I'm on |
| 19:44:10 | myrkx | initial menu just says time and exit till you switch menus |
| 19:46:01 | Topy44 | sry, i dont know about any non-cowon players :) |
| 19:46:15 | Topy44 | EEH, SORRY i meant *remembers channel rules* :) |
| 19:46:34 | myrkx | ok, thanks anyway, trying to set it up for a blind user |
| 19:46:36 | Llorean | myrkx: This usually means you're using an outdated voice file. |
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| 19:47:12 | myrkx | I downloaded the Reed file from the Rockbox site |
| 19:47:38 | Llorean | The one dates 06 Feb 2006? |
| 19:47:48 | myrkx | let me check |
| 19:47:54 | Llorean | Or the 07 Mar 07? |
| 19:48:04 | Llorean | Both of those are outdated anyway |
| 19:48:40 | Topy44 | hm... are the voice files "generated" with some speech engine or did a real person record them? |
| 19:48:52 | Llorean | They can be created either way |
| 19:48:59 | Topy44 | i ment the available ones |
| 19:49:10 | Llorean | Depends on what people post to that page. |
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| 19:49:14 | myrkx | so, can I just put another one in the languages folder to fix it? |
| 19:49:25 | Llorean | myrkx: If you can find an up to date one, yeah |
| 19:49:35 | Topy44 | because i happen to know a girl who has done voice computer recordings professionally |
| 19:49:54 | Topy44 | (as in, she records stuff to be used in telephone computers and such stuff) |
| 19:50:03 | myrkx | Llorean: should be one on the rockbox site? |
| 19:50:04 | Topy44 | she has a very clear, pleasant voice |
| 19:50:12 | Topy44 | so i could probably do such recordings |
| 19:50:14 | Llorean | myrkx: Only if someone has posted a recent one. |
| 19:50:28 | Topy44 | (i have a little audio homestudio) |
| 19:51:42 | myrkx | Llorean: April 7, 2007 is there |
| 19:52:42 | Llorean | myrkx: Try it and see, it should be better at least |
| 19:54:13 | myrkx | Llorean: thanks |
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| 20:06:42 | Nico_P | Lear ? |
| 20:06:49 | Topy44 | hm... alright... audition CAN clean out the noise quite effectively, but it also gets rid of some brilliance |
| 20:07:19 | Topy44 | so, i'd need a way to detect the noisy parts automaticly... |
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| 20:07:32 | Topy44 | oh well, whatever |
| 20:10:22 | Topy44 | funny, the x5 actually records less noisy and better quality then my soundcard :) |
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| 20:13:35 | myrkx | Llorean: that worked, thanks a lot :) |
| 20:15:01 | Topy44 | now starting to use the x5 to transfer my old MDs to the computer |
| 20:15:22 | Topy44 | (i have like 130 MDs full of live recordings here that need to be transfered...) |
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| 20:20:12 | Topy44 | i am thinking to cut off the plug from the x5 power supply and fixing a subpack connector directly to it |
| 20:20:17 | Topy44 | same thing for a usb cable |
| 20:20:24 | Topy44 | so i would not need to use the subpack anymore at all |
| 20:20:39 | Topy44 | but i could not use for example line out and power supply at once anymore |
| 20:22:21 | Topy44 | ah btw, noone answered yet: |
| 20:22:38 | Topy44 | what should i set the input gain of the x5 to when recording with an external preamp? |
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| 20:22:55 | Topy44 | since i am regulating the input signal from the preamp |
| 20:23:00 | Topy44 | 0db? |
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| 20:23:49 | Topy44 | i have a strange problem with that, if i turn up the preamp output (not its gain!) as far that i get close to optimum gain on the x5 i get a lot of distortion... could it be that 0db really isnt 0db? |
| 20:24:12 | Topy44 | i have the feeling i am overdriving the input stage of the x5 very easily |
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| 20:25:04 | Topy44 | how exactly does the gain control on the x5 work? is it REAL gain? as in, is it really the amount the input signal gets attenuated or boosted BEFORE the dac? |
| 20:25:33 | Topy44 | or meaby it never boosts, only attenuates, so the max gain setting is actually 0db? |
| 20:30:55 | pixelma | Nico_P: minor quirk with the rwps backdrop support: when I load a main wps separately the backdrop of the rwps gets cleared - not a big problem as it works again when loading the rwps again afterwards |
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| 20:31:50 | Nico_P | pixelma: OK, I'll have a look |
| 20:32:07 | myrkx | how do you stop a song without losing the menu voice? |
| 20:32:57 | Llorean | You should have menu voices if you actually stop the song, rather than pause it, I believe |
| 20:36:33 | pixelma | Nico_P: btw. setting the remote backlight to stay always "on" works here in the sim |
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| 20:39:16 | myrkx | Llorean: so which button stops it? none that I can find, just pause |
| 20:40:36 | Llorean | myrkx: What player do you have? |
| 20:41:00 | Llorean | Ah, iPod, (scrolled up)\ |
| 20:41:06 | Llorean | Hold down Play/Pause for 2 seconds or so |
| 20:41:09 | Llorean | Not too long or it shuts off |
| 20:44:42 | Lear | nico_p: yes |
| 20:45:23 | Nico_P | Lear: have you seen my forum post ? |
| 20:45:40 | Lear | Probably not the latest one... One sec. |
| 20:46:10 | Lear | Well, the file is played at 44 kHz... |
| 20:46:46 | Lear | And Foobar says the same; the file is upsampled by the decoder, after all. |
| 20:46:53 | Nico_P | ok |
| 20:47:06 | Nico_P | and about your PM: I don't even know what SBR files are |
| 20:47:52 | Lear | The file you sent is one. A way to make AAC sound better at low bitrates. |
| 20:48:04 | Llorean | It's part of what's commonly called HE-AAC |
| 20:48:16 | Nico_P | well it does play realtim on the gigabeat |
| 20:48:55 | Lear | Such files are not realtime on an H140... |
| 20:51:12 | myrkx | is there any way to have the song titles read, rather than spelled, without having to make an individual wav file for each? |
| 20:51:22 | Llorean | Not at this time, no. |
| 20:51:28 | Llorean | There is no text-to-speech engine in Rockbox. |
| 20:51:45 | Llorean | But they'd be individual mp3 files for each, not wav files |
| 20:52:00 | myrkx | we are trying to set these up for blind children in quantity |
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| 20:55:33 | myrkx | I wonder if we could get Freedomscientific to integrate a voice synthesiser? |
| 20:56:18 | Llorean | Right now there are a few people working on real text to speech. |
| 20:56:26 | myrkx | cool |
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| 20:57:18 | Llorean | But considering the fact that Freedomscientific _sells_ their software, I find it rather unlikely they'd want to get involved. |
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| 20:58:21 | myrkx | never hurts to ask, but if you are working on it, why worry :) |
| 20:58:48 | Llorean | I'm not working on it, and there's no guarantee either of the people who are will finish it, though there are high hopes |
| 20:59:07 | Llorean | But Rockbox is under the GPL license, meaning any text to speech support would have to be released under it as well |
| 20:59:20 | myrkx | absolutely |
| 20:59:48 | Hammer89 | does anyone know how to set the a-b points for the a-b repeat function in rockbox on the sansa e200? |
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| 21:09:09 | Rob24 | Some time when i play roms on my ipod 5th gen video, some roms r slow and slugish and some arnt, is there any way to finx this? |
| 21:10:20 | Llorean | Buy a faster MP3 player. |
| 21:10:49 | Rob24 | ..is there a free way to fix this? |
| 21:11:01 | Llorean | Do you know ARM assembly? |
| 21:11:10 | Rob24 | no |
| 21:11:20 | Llorean | Then no, not for you, until someone else optimizes the code. |
| 21:11:27 | Rob24 | ic kk |
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| 21:16:14 | Rob24 | Is there any way to get a form of dance dance revolution on rock box? |
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| 21:16:26 | dionoea | that'd be fun |
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| 21:16:31 | Rob24 | very |
| 21:16:47 | dionoea | does any open source version of the game exist? |
| 21:16:57 | Rob24 | but like there are dance dance revolution games for gbc but on the ipod they r so sluggish |
| 21:17:04 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:17:12 | Rob24 | well is there a way to change ste mania? |
| 21:17:21 | Rob24 | *step |
| 21:17:30 | dionoea | mania? |
| 21:17:45 | EbErT | heh, that would work with the scroll wheel pretty well |
| 21:17:46 | Rob24 | http://www.stepmania.com/ |
| 21:17:51 | Rob24 | yah |
| 21:18:33 | dionoea | do they have key sequence definitions on that website ? |
| 21:18:41 | Rob24 | imagin zepher on challange at your finder tips |
| 21:18:48 | Rob24 | Maybe |
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| 21:19:34 | Rob24 | like in step mania you can change the keys maybe there is way to change it without having it loaded |
| 21:19:41 | dionoea | hum, sounds like it could kind of work ( http://www.stepmania.com/wiki/Create_and_Share ). I'll see what those .sm look like |
| 21:19:51 | Rob24 | but the 4 arrows keys r the dfault set up |
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| 21:23:10 | dionoea | Hum, should be easy to load those .sm files using a rockbox plugin. I might give it a try. |
| 21:23:56 | Rob24 | well if any one can get step mani working with ipod i would apreachiatit if you could email me at robertlaliberte24@ hotmail.com because right now i got to go to work, so c yah guys later |
| 21:24:13 | Rob24 | bye |
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| 21:34:52 | darkbutterfly | any body use a sansa e200 with rockbox |
| 21:36:45 | mutantpineapple | is the rockboy plugin at all usable on an x5? |
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| 21:44:21 | linuxstb | Any ARM gurus around to tell me what I've done wrong here? http://www.pastebin.ca/459934 (the C code I'm trying to write in assembler is in the #else) |
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| 21:45:41 | arj | I get data abort when trying to play music using the latest nightly snapshot on my ipod nano 1g |
| 21:46:07 | arj | is that a know problem? |
| 21:46:10 | arj | +n |
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| 21:50:30 | Reno | hey guy's i'm back and i got a question. |
| 21:50:42 | Reno | can i out coputer games on rockbox? |
| 21:51:01 | Reno | and....can i make the nubers on the calculator bigger? |
| 21:51:09 | mutantpineapple | if the computer game is doom :p |
| 21:51:19 | pixelma | arj: how old was the build you used before? |
| 21:51:33 | Reno | isthe build? what do u mean? |
| 21:51:49 | arj | about two months |
| 21:52:00 | arj | I tried a build about a month ago with the same problem |
| 21:52:07 | arj | perhaps older |
| 21:52:13 | Reno | oh nevermind... |
| 21:52:30 | Reno | so can imake the numbers on the rockbox calculator bigger? |
| 21:52:54 | pixelma | arj: there was a change recently to the bootloader - you have to update the bootloader too |
| 21:53:13 | arj | ok thx |
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| 21:54:46 | Reno | soorr i logged of by accident... |
| 21:54:58 | arj | wee |
| 21:55:01 | arj | works now |
| 21:55:04 | arj | thanks a ot pixelma |
| 21:55:08 | Lear | linuxstb: not an arm guru, but the array offsets doesn't match up to me... |
| 21:55:16 | Reno | so can i make the nubers for thr=e rockbox calculator bigger? |
| 21:55:31 | arj | nice new boot logo :-) |
| 21:55:33 | pixelma | you're welcome |
| 21:56:07 | Lear | But then I don't know the difference of ldmdb and ldmia. :) |
| 21:56:43 | Reno | can anybody please help me if their not busy and if i can make them bigger? |
| 21:57:09 | linuxstb | Lear: "db" is decrement before, and "ia" is increment after. Which I understand to mean that it would decrement the source register by 16, then do the read from memory. |
| 21:57:22 | petur | Reno: not easily... |
| 21:57:34 | Reno | oh...but can i do that? |
| 21:57:49 | Lear | Ah, like -(ax)/(ay)+ on coldfire... |
| 21:57:54 | linuxstb | Lear: So (in theory), r3 contains x[-3], r4 contains x[-2]. r5 contains x[-1] and r6 contains x[0] |
| 21:58:02 | linuxstb | Lear: I don't know Coldfire at all. |
| 21:58:39 | Reno | if i can make them bigger i would appreciate it if you could tell me how to do that? |
| 21:58:49 | Reno | ; ) |
| 21:58:51 | petur | Reno: you'd need the ability to load two fonts (iirc there's a patch for that) |
| 21:59:15 | Reno | oh really where can i get that patch? |
| 21:59:26 | petur | and I don't know how well that patch works with plugins as it was made for wps I think |
| 21:59:30 | darkbutterfly | any body wana do a Ubuntu theme for Rockbox sansa |
| 21:59:35 | Lear | linuxstb: btw, you know where I can find a good arm reference? Could be fun to have, but I haven't found anything good yet... |
| 21:59:51 | Reno | i guess it's worth a try though! |
| 21:59:54 | Reno | : ) |
| 21:59:54 | mutantpineapple | ubuntu theme?? |
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| 22:00:05 | mutantpineapple | oh no... |
| 22:00:07 | linuxstb | Lear: I think I need one myself... All I've got is the ARM quick reference guide which has a summary of all the instructions. |
| 22:00:25 | Lear | Yep, found that one... |
| 22:00:26 | darkbutterfly | lol |
| 22:00:26 | petur | Reno: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4733 |
| 22:00:34 | Reno | ok thank you. |
| 22:01:23 | darkbutterfly | how soon for a total workable Rockbox on the Sansa e200 |
| 22:01:41 | Reno | oh i almost forgot.....is there a way i can copy the rockbox manual to my ipod and read it there that way i dont have to print it out or read it on my pc???? : ) |
| 22:01:44 | linuxstb | darkbutterfly: People work on it as a hobby in their spare time, so it's impossible to say. |
| 22:01:46 | mutantpineapple | the only way you could make rockbox look like ubuntu is by porting beryl to it |
| 22:02:16 | arj | :D |
| 22:02:24 | petur | Reno: no, but you'r free to port an html engine to rockbox ;) |
| 22:02:44 | linuxstb | You could always make Ubuntu look like Rockbox... |
| 22:02:59 | darkbutterfly | right no prob |
| 22:03:06 | Reno | oh okay thank you anyway's! |
| 22:03:10 | darkbutterfly | wish I could program |
| 22:03:16 | * | petur looks at his xubuntu in a VM and shakes head |
| 22:04:01 | Lear | linuxstb: tried "x + 1" as %1? |
| 22:04:15 | preglow | Lear, linuxstb: the arm arm doc is good |
| 22:04:20 | preglow | but i assume you have that too |
| 22:05:14 | Reno | if i want to know how to use that oatch deos it tell me how to use it in the manual???? what part is it? is it in the plugins part? |
| 22:05:40 | linuxstb | preglow: I did have it, but can't find it now... |
| 22:05:49 | preglow | http://www.altera.com/literature/third-party/ddi0100e_arm_arm.pdf |
| 22:06:48 | petur | Reno: I feel this will be a bit over your head... start reading here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers |
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| 22:08:07 | linuxstb | Lear: Ah, x-1 worked... |
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| 22:08:28 | Lear | -? Not +? |
| 22:08:45 | XavierGr | lol petur you scared him with that link! :P |
| 22:09:13 | petur | hehe - I think it was nothing for him anyway |
| 22:09:34 | XavierGr | [22:49] <Reno> can i out coputer games on rockbox? <- that phrase concludes everything :) |
| 22:11:31 | * | mutantpineapple still wonders if outting coputer games on rockbox is possible :| |
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| 22:12:14 | preglow | we ask ourselves the very same question every day :// |
| 22:12:38 | fm2 | markun: here? |
| 22:12:40 | preglow | < preglow> anyone fixed being able to out coputer games yet? |
| 22:12:44 | preglow | < petur> i don't know!!!!!11 |
| 22:13:12 | petur | frrrrr |
| 22:13:57 | * | Bagder giggles |
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| 22:15:31 | fm2 | Hm... I seem to never cross markun |
| 22:16:04 | linuxstb | Lear: Sorry, yes x+1 |
| 22:16:17 | mutantpineapple | maybe we should port cygwin to rockbox as well? |
| 22:16:45 | Bagder | mutantpineapple: first port wine so that we have something to run cygwin on |
| 22:16:47 | mutantpineapple | so it would be rockbox running windows running linux |
| 22:17:10 | Bagder | cygwin is not linux |
| 22:17:12 | preglow | don't forget that rockbox IS linux |
| 22:17:16 | preglow | it's just another distro |
| 22:17:26 | Bagder | I can see preglow is in that special mood today ;-) |
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| 22:17:49 | * | petur suspects beer is to balme |
| 22:17:55 | petur | blame even |
| 22:17:59 | * | preglow flings pies at people |
| 22:18:10 | preglow | i was planning on having one, actually |
| 22:18:11 | mutantpineapple | it isn't linux... i don't see rms hding behind anything |
| 22:18:13 | preglow | but discovered i have none :/ |
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| 22:18:29 | mutantpineapple | normally he's under the coats |
| 22:18:33 | preglow | < rms> it's gnu/rockbox, goddamnit! |
| 22:18:39 | mutantpineapple | :D |
| 22:18:40 | Bagder | haha |
| 22:19:45 | mutantpineapple | is there a gnubuntu yet? |
| 22:21:20 | mutantpineapple | there seems to be every other possible "derivative" |
| 22:21:54 | mutantpineapple | i say "derivative" but the only actual difference is the packages installed by default and the included wallpaper |
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| 22:22:23 | preglow | there's the distro with the name that sounds like "nuisance" which only bundles free-free stuff |
| 22:22:28 | Nico_P | mutantpineapple: if you mean a totally free ubuntu, there is gnewsense |
| 22:22:28 | preglow | and that's ubuntu derivated |
| 22:22:37 | preglow | that |
| 22:22:40 | mutantpineapple | wow... |
| 22:22:49 | Nico_P | and the next release will have a totally free version |
| 22:23:02 | mutantpineapple | well i guess now that ubuntu christian edition has hit the shelves, we now have absolute saturation |
| 22:23:49 | Nico_P | why not rockbuntu ? :) |
| 22:24:08 | Nico_P | with rockbox yellow as a wallpaper |
| 22:24:30 | preglow | ahh, yes, the stock ubuntu is totally unsuited to christians, so this is a good initiative |
| 22:24:46 | preglow | what with the satanic wallpapers and startup jingle performed by darkthrone |
| 22:24:49 | * | petur mutters beeruntu |
| 22:24:56 | mutantpineapple | and doom running at 160x120 |
| 22:25:14 | mutantpineapple | preglow: not a fish sticker in sight |
| 22:26:18 | mutantpineapple | and the fsck has been renamed f*ck so as to avoid offending |
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| 22:27:47 | preglow | hahahah |
| 22:28:39 | preglow | well, at least ubuntu satanic edition seems to have its followers too |
| 22:28:42 | preglow | so at least there is balance |
| 22:29:05 | * | mutantpineapple googles |
| 22:29:11 | mutantpineapple | haha, fiery spawn... |
| 22:31:37 | preglow | Ubuntu Surly Satan |
| 22:31:47 | preglow | Ubuntu Jolly Jesus |
| 22:31:53 | preglow | these might still end up as official releases! |
| 22:32:07 | preglow | now, for dish-wahsing |
| 22:32:09 | mutantpineapple | you can imagine the flame wars |
| 22:32:12 | preglow | washing too |
| 22:32:12 | mutantpineapple | enjoy |
| 22:32:43 | Nico_P | pixelma: I fixed the bug you reported earlier about RWPS backdrops |
| 22:32:44 | preglow | as a rule i don't, but there's always hope |
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| 22:48:30 | miner49er | hello |
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| 22:51:53 | Nico_P | miner49er: hi |
| 22:52:57 | pixelma | Nico_P: nice, thanks :) |
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| 22:53:40 | Nico_P | pixelma: I can't leave this sort of bug in the code, even though quite minor :) |
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| 22:55:22 | * | amiconn wonders whether we need to introduce HAVE_LCD one day... |
| 22:55:55 | Nico_P | amiconn: for the iAudio player that only has a remote ? |
| 22:56:07 | Nico_P | the M3, is that it ? |
| 22:56:53 | amiconn | yes, that's the one. But perhaps not even the one that needs such a define, if we make the remote the main display for it |
| 22:57:26 | miner49er | Can anyone tell me how to run the buildzip.pl script please? I haven't dissected the script itself yet... |
| 22:57:31 | amiconn | But there might be others without any lcd (e.g. the shuffle - I know the 1st gen shuffle isn't supported by gcc or other open source compilers) |
| 22:57:38 | linuxstb | miner49er: Just type "make zip" |
| 22:57:49 | preglow | neither the second gen |
| 22:57:52 | miner49er | oh right, cheers |
| 22:57:54 | preglow | they're both 56k based, afaik |
| 22:58:14 | preglow | rockbox would need to be pretty stripped down for such a player |
| 22:58:19 | linuxstb | Someone said the other day that the 2nd gen Shuffle has the same ARM chip as the 2nd gen Nano. |
| 22:58:27 | amiconn | Nico_P: I am just wondering because of the #if defined(HAVE_REMOTE_LCD) && (LCD_REMOTE_DEPTH > 1) stuff |
| 22:58:27 | preglow | really now |
| 22:58:41 | amiconn | It's not symmetric to the checks for main lcd |
| 22:58:46 | Nico_P | amiconn: I can hardly imagine how rockbox would be usable on a device without a display |
| 22:58:56 | amiconn | Voice UI? |
| 22:59:02 | linuxstb | preglow: If that's true, then I'm sure it has the same encryption... |
| 22:59:04 | Nico_P | why not |
| 22:59:13 | amiconn | And some beeps... |
| 22:59:37 | Nico_P | amiconn: yeah... btw, how do you find that define ? appropriate ? bloated ? |
| 22:59:51 | amiconn | It's required |
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| 23:00:28 | amiconn | You can't just use #if LCD_REMOTE_DEPTH > 2 because of -wundef |
| 23:02:07 | amiconn | (and the full thing is clearer albeit longish) |
| 23:02:53 | Nico_P | yeah I was afraid people would find it a bit long but couldn't find a simpler wat to put it |
| 23:03:20 | Nico_P | maybe we could replace it by something like HAVE_BACKDROPS ? |
| 23:05:01 | * | Nico_P is studying java for an exam tomorrow :'( |
| 23:05:07 | preglow | java :// |
| 23:06:42 | Nico_P | I quite like OOP, but I think I prefer .NET over java... never tried C++ |
| 23:07:12 | Nico_P | I used to enjoy programming in VB .NET when I was a bit younger :) |
| 23:07:40 | preglow | oop is ok |
| 23:07:46 | preglow | java is annoying, though |
| 23:07:49 | preglow | c# beats it nicely |
| 23:07:59 | preglow | c++ is annoying too, but better than java |
| 23:08:58 | petur | c++ code can be nice - depends on the programmer. some people manage to make a mess of it ;) |
| 23:09:55 | Nico_P | When I get the time I'd like to learn a bit of Qt and KDE programming, that must be quite fun |
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| 23:13:49 | miner49er | how can I determine the length of a file with the rockbox API? |
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| 23:17:09 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:17:23 | miner49er | never mind |
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| 23:30:33 | * | davina is away: folding proteins and sleeping |
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| 23:36:46 | miner49er | Anyone any idea why the plugin I've built complains about being the wrong model? It builds but it's 0k in length |
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| 23:41:19 | * | ender` yawns |
| 23:41:49 | miner49er | oh, like that is it? |
| 23:42:31 | miner49er | forget it |
| 23:43:39 | miner49er | figured it out...stoopid me duur |
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| 23:52:24 | Rob24 | how would you go about putting step mania onto rock box? |
| 23:52:41 | hiho | help! can someone tell me how to turn off power on an ipod? (stock FW) |
| 23:53:21 | MrSomeone | Hold down the play/pause button for a few seconds |
| 23:53:31 | Rob24 | hold down center button and menue for like 10 seconds |
| 23:53:37 | Rob24 | no wiat tahts restart |
| 23:54:48 | amiconn | The of cannot be shut down afaik (don't have that anymore on my only ipod) |
| 23:55:34 | Rob24 | say what? |
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| 23:56:52 | Rob24 | how would one go about makking step mania advalible for rock box? |
| 23:57:03 | Topy44 | haha |
| 23:57:09 | Topy44 | umh...no? :) |
| 23:57:36 | Topy44 | well, i guess on devices with 4 buttons for directions it might work |
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| 23:58:01 | Topy44 | of course, the idea of interpreting the stepmenia files directly is interesting |
| 23:58:19 | Rob24 | ... How would i go about making step mania advalible for rock bock "IPOD" eddition |
| 23:58:47 | Topy44 | what might be very cool is a new rhythm game for ipods and other "scroll wheel" devices |
| 23:58:56 | Topy44 | para para paradise like |
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