| 00:00:07 | Rob24 | having ddr on you ipod isnt usless!=O |
| 00:00:14 | Topy44 | hm... well :) |
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| 00:00:42 | * | Topy44 imagines someone stomping around rhythmicly on ipods |
| 00:00:44 | * | Topy44 likes that idea :) |
| 00:01:32 | scorche | well, a simon plugin would be quite similar and could have both original simon and ddr modes, i suppose |
| 00:02:28 | Rob24 | hmmm |
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| 00:05:10 | Rob24 | durring the summer is any one gonna optamize the code so that roms run more smoothly on ipods? |
| 00:05:51 | Topy44 | actually, porting over some more emulators would be a nice thing |
| 00:05:59 | Topy44 | ...but someone would have to do it, so... :) |
| 00:06:14 | Topy44 | (for example, a game gear emulator would be nice) |
| 00:06:16 | scorche | for GSoC, no, but you never know who might do what over any time |
| 00:06:20 | Rob24 | yah |
| 00:06:34 | Rob24 | and make my roms run without being sluggish |
| 00:07:05 | scorche | haha...gamegear...that thing could drain 6 AAs in a matter of hours |
| 00:08:25 | Rob24 | S**t i wish my zubat had soemthing besides leach blood and bide |
| 00:08:42 | miner49er | is there an API function to write debug in the simulator (I've asked this before but forgot...oops) |
| 00:08:55 | Rob24 | idk O_O |
| 00:09:05 | scorche | Rob24: try to sitck to rockbox related topic in here please |
| 00:09:05 | linuxstb | miner49er: DEBUGF - use it like printf |
| 00:10:15 | miner49er | oh cheers, man |
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| 00:11:45 | Rob24 | I dont think rock box needs a game gear emulator but an SNES emulator |
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| 00:12:47 | scorche | i dont think rockbox needs any emulator or even doom for that matter, but that is just me...and quite a few others ;) |
| 00:13:33 | Alonea | Rob24: I don't think the mp3 players can handle SNES. not to mention button availability. |
| 00:13:37 | Rob24 | who would ever think that? your on a 15 hour plane ride to china and what do you do? not play doom or game boy games your portabale media device! |
| 00:13:38 | scorche | s/i dont think rockbox needs/rockbox doesnt *nned* ;) |
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| 00:14:00 | scorche | Rob24: then get a gameboy...not a digital sudio player... |
| 00:14:10 | scorche | audio |
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| 00:14:47 | My_Sic | hie every body |
| 00:14:55 | Rob24 | hey |
| 00:15:16 | scorche | you will get better battery life, better efficiency, and better button arrangement....and a device that is actually designed around game playing instead of playing audio |
| 00:15:16 | My_Sic | please someone can help me |
| 00:15:27 | Rob24 | depends what is you problem? |
| 00:15:32 | My_Sic | i just update my ipod, and he don't want to play any file |
| 00:15:53 | linuxstb | What happens? |
| 00:16:02 | My_Sic | i delete all the file, reset the config (by hold during start) |
| 00:16:07 | My_Sic | "data abort " |
| 00:16:12 | Rob24 | mmm odd, i just got the new update for my video and its all good |
| 00:16:31 | Alonea | Rob24: the processor requirements for snes and gameboy advance is above what the players have. I am happy it does what it does at this point. My gigabeat never had video before this and now it does. These guys are amazing programmers and have put in a LOT of hard work for this project. They have come a looonnng way from when it started |
| 00:16:33 | My_Sic | i have a 60go 5G |
| 00:16:36 | linuxstb | My_Sic: Sounds like you need to update your bootloader |
| 00:16:51 | My_Sic | hum |
| 00:16:55 | linuxstb | I assume it's been a few months since you last updated Rockbox? |
| 00:17:02 | My_Sic | yes |
| 00:17:08 | My_Sic | since october or december |
| 00:17:16 | scorche | Alonea: let alone all of the graphics specific hardware in them |
| 00:17:34 | linuxstb | My_Sic: The bootloader install is very easy now - just download ipodpatcher.exe and double-click on it. Instructions and links are in the manual. |
| 00:17:43 | My_Sic | is it easy to update the bootloader and safety ? |
| 00:17:49 | My_Sic | ok |
| 00:17:59 | My_Sic | i will try |
| 00:18:06 | Alonea | scorche: that too. but definitely kudos to the programmers of rockbox. |
| 00:18:06 | linuxstb | Upgrading is the same as installing for the first time. |
| 00:18:49 | My_Sic | yes but i haven't install any bootloader, rockbox was installed when i buy my ipod |
| 00:19:06 | My_Sic | where can i find the bootloader ? |
| 00:19:07 | Rob24 | you got a used ipod? |
| 00:19:11 | My_Sic | yes |
| 00:19:27 | linuxstb | My_Sic: The bootloaders are inside ipodpatcher.exe - you don't have to download them separately. |
| 00:19:32 | My_Sic | of course, i think it will not be tomorow that apple sell ipod whith rockbox |
| 00:19:42 | Rob24 | the only time i would buy a used ipod was if i was gonna crack it open and mod it |
| 00:20:07 | My_Sic | yes but its an used ipod but only 1month |
| 00:20:14 | My_Sic | very not used |
| 00:20:15 | My_Sic | like new |
| 00:20:43 | Rob24 | hmm |
| 00:21:23 | My_Sic | where can i find this ipodpatcher.exe ? |
| 00:21:39 | Rob24 | did you delete everything and download the latest ipod driver? |
| 00:21:41 | linuxstb | My_Sic: Read the install section in the manual. |
| 00:23:25 | Rob24 | i would just completly wipe you ipod then get the newest drive rthen just reinstall rock box |
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| 00:24:28 | linuxstb | Rob24: Why should My_Sic wipe his ipod? |
| 00:27:51 | My_Sic | perfect, it's working |
| 00:27:55 | My_Sic | your the best |
| 00:28:36 | Rob24 | yah i agree with my_sic on that Linuxstb ;P |
| 00:28:55 | My_Sic | lol |
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| 00:32:26 | Rob24 | i wish i could personaly thank the developement team of rock box |
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| 00:34:15 | scorche | well, there are 2 devcons coming up ;) |
| 00:35:48 | Rob24 | are then in ontario canada? |
| 00:35:55 | scorche | nope |
| 00:36:04 | Rob24 | well i cant go then XD |
| 00:36:13 | scorche | then keep wishing ;) |
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| 00:36:39 | Rob24 | maybe when im older... |
| 00:40:52 | My_Sic | old wps not working. Do they have something to do to can use it ? |
| 00:41:25 | Rob24 | wps for what? |
| 00:41:39 | scorche | well, it is hard to say since it is so old, but you can see if there is an updated version to download |
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| 00:42:59 | My_Sic | many have no update |
| 00:43:49 | Rob24 | if they r old and have no update then it depends on what they do, and if they dont do anything then whats the point if having them? |
| 00:44:18 | scorche | My_Sic: you will probably have better results asking the question in the WPS and Customization forum |
| 00:45:20 | scorche | My_Sic: not sure if this is your only problem, but this is one change that must be done http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=4d99c33878af889747885bcf4ff5df1e&topic=10074.0 |
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| 00:46:16 | My_Sic | ok th |
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| 00:48:22 | MrSomeone | anyone here ever have a problem with 'long filename' error when copying files using explorer? |
| 00:48:31 | My_Sic | sorry, i find the error, just Vista fault, he don't now copy |
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| 00:49:18 | scorche | MrSomeone: how is this related to rockbox? |
| 00:49:25 | scorche | My_Sic: i dont quite understand you |
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| 00:50:03 | My_Sic | Windows Vista forgotten to copy many files, so themes can't work |
| 00:50:37 | Rob24 | whast a must have rom for rock box? |
| 00:51:39 | scorche | Rob24: i believe there was a forum thread about that |
| 00:53:13 | MrSomeone | scorche: well when I tried to install rockbox (copying over the .rockbox dir) I got the same error, the way I got around it was putting the entire zip on the device (gigabeat f40) and then extracting it directly |
| 00:54:59 | scorche | MrSomeone: yes, but that isnt soemthing to do with rockbox...that is something to do with the limitation of programs or the filesystem...anyway, was there a specific question you had with that besides the "anyone here..." one? |
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| 00:55:35 | Alonea | Rob24: gameboy games? I am a harvest moon addict. |
| 00:56:21 | MrSomeone | yes I'm aware of that, but I was asking to see if anyone else had seen a similar problem/resolution, because installing rockbox involves copying files over to that filesystem |
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| 01:00:00 | scorche | MrSomeone: also, that has nothing to do with audio playback and playlists |
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| 01:04:28 | scorche | rotator: so pretty much any date would be good for you, correct?...and what is your thought on the location? |
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| 01:05:09 | rotator | scorche: i hadn't really thought about it |
| 01:05:27 | scorche | well, do and come back to me please ;) |
| 01:05:46 | rotator | probably any time starting June would be fine |
| 01:05:51 | scorche | (or the dev-ml works and maybe it will spur other people to discusson there instead of having that discussion be dead) |
| 01:06:13 | scorche | alright...any thoughts on location? |
| 01:06:19 | rotator | yeah, I'll send an email |
| 01:06:28 | scorche | alright |
| 01:06:37 | rotator | preferably Chicago since that's close, though Vegas would be fine too |
| 01:06:55 | scorche | well, the chicago option is pretty much dead....read my last mail |
| 01:07:01 | rotator | ah, ok |
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| 01:16:54 | toffe82 | scorche: if you do it in Vegas, I can be there and bring my collection of toshiba gigabeat (F S and V) and tools to try to flash them ;) |
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| 01:17:25 | scorche | toffe82: great!...add yourself to the wiki page then =) |
| 01:17:32 | toffe82 | ok |
| 01:17:52 | pearldiver | hehe |
| 01:18:10 | scorche | that pretty much cements vegas then...now to just finalize a date and hotel |
| 01:18:16 | pearldiver | no news on S? |
| 01:18:36 | toffe82 | ptw419 broke is S :( |
| 01:18:58 | pearldiver | really? |
| 01:19:00 | pearldiver | for good? |
| 01:19:16 | toffe82 | look the log from yesterday |
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| 01:21:44 | pearldiver | oh he has warranty on it, good |
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| 01:26:22 | toffe82 | scorche: and I forgot a gigabeat X too |
| 01:26:32 | toffe82 | :) |
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| 01:27:46 | scorche | toffe82: bring whatever you wish! ;) |
| 01:27:53 | scorche | more for us to play with |
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| 01:34:14 | scorche | wow...this is shaping up to be quite the gathering...any more people and i might have to jump for something bigger than just a suite =P |
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| 01:36:22 | Soap | there will be rockbox and hookers and blackjack... |
| 01:36:38 | scorche | and booze...dont forget teh booze! |
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| 01:37:18 | scorche | .msg Soap and you in a french maid outfit |
| 01:37:21 | scorche | uh oh... |
| 01:37:35 | scorche | ;) |
| 01:38:07 | Soap | our little secret is out! |
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| 01:44:39 | sasuke | hey some 1 |
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| 01:45:37 | sasuke | hey thoes the 5g i pod nano suports rockbox? |
| 01:46:42 | scorche | the 5th gen and ipod nanos are totally separate units...what do you mean? |
| 01:48:18 | Soap | the nanos which look like tiny 5th gens work (plastic front, shiny metal back) the nanos which are all one piece of matte finished anodized aluminum do not work, and probably won't for a while. |
| 01:48:50 | scorche | if, ever |
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| 01:49:24 | sasuke | AWW man |
| 01:49:30 | sasuke | ok thx |
| 01:50:22 | Soap | I can't believe I "bricked" my gigabeat and have to do the hot-plug-the-harddrive trick. |
| 01:50:36 | Soap | i feel like such a dumbass. |
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| 01:52:55 | Llorean | I'm impressed. |
| 01:53:04 | Llorean | Forget a step somewhere while in a rush? |
| 01:54:16 | Soap | newer build, older bootloader, no original firmware backup |
| 01:54:48 | pearldiver | format it with the gigaroom? |
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| 01:55:18 | pearldiver | or what was the name of it's software |
| 01:55:46 | pearldiver | gigabeat room i think it was |
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| 01:58:32 | Llorean | Soap: That doesn't require the trick |
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| 01:58:36 | Llorean | Soap: The bootloader has a USB mode. |
| 01:58:49 | Llorean | Soap: I actually did the same thing. |
| 01:59:15 | Llorean | If you hold down Menu while booting, it goes into Bootloader "recovery mode" which is really just USB mode. |
| 01:59:18 | scorche | Llorean: can you join community please? |
| 01:59:34 | sasuke | IPOD LINUX FTW!!! lol |
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| 02:01:12 | pearldiver | lol |
| 02:01:57 | TrueJournals | umm... ok.... |
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| 02:02:37 | ZacharyBarnes | I would like to add some info to the Rockbox Wiki about the Creative Zen Nano player, but I need write access first |
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| 02:04:57 | ZacharyBarnes | How do I get write access? |
| 02:06:02 | Llorean | You have it now |
| 02:06:12 | ZacharyBarnes | Thank you |
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| 02:10:39 | webguest67 | Hi, i was just playing a little bit with recording on a h300 and have a question about the agc feature. |
| 02:11:51 | webguest67 | when i set it to voice (fast) the gain gets adjusted every 20 seconds in a step of 0.5dB. is this normal? it doesn't seem very fast to me. |
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| 02:14:45 | webguest70 | hi i have a question. can anybody please tell me if rockbox can read gameboy advance ROMS????? |
| 02:15:32 | webguest67 | no, only gameboy and gameboy colour games. |
| 02:15:42 | webguest70 | oh |
| 02:15:46 | webguest70 | so thats it |
| 02:15:57 | webguest70 | not even regular game boy games? |
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| 02:16:52 | webguest70 | ok thanks! |
| 02:16:57 | webguest70 | see ya! |
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| 03:58:39 | [steveo] | ello anyone know a good program to convert dvd to avi? |
| 03:59:06 | hcs | this really isn't the place for that question |
| 03:59:31 | Soap | [steveo]: http://doom9.org |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:05 | Soap | but hcs is 1000% correct. Last time I'll entertain your nightly off-topic question. ;) |
| 04:00:42 | [steveo] | hcs it is sort of its adjustiing file formats to play on rockbox |
| 04:01:13 | TrueJournals | [steveo]: But... you can't play avi using rockbox... so not really... |
| 04:01:17 | [steveo] | and from avi to >> winff.exe |
| 04:01:21 | [steveo] | lol |
| 04:02:16 | [steveo] | hmm the link didnt work |
| 04:02:21 | Hammer89 | I use iRiverter to rip the dvd's to 220 by 176 res... then winff.exe to mpg... works perfectly for me |
| 04:02:40 | [steveo] | hmm nvm ignore that it just needed www =) |
| 04:03:01 | Soap | dang non-compliant sites |
| 04:03:16 | TrueJournals | www is overrated |
| 04:03:31 | annulus_ | gopher |
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| 04:03:46 | Soap | yes! |
| 04:04:00 | TrueJournals | :rolleyes: |
| 04:04:37 | * | scorche rolls his eyes at people who attempt to do actions without using /me |
| 04:05:00 | annulus_ | /me is overrated |
| 04:05:07 | * | TrueJournals forgets about /me because he doesn't use IRC that much... |
| 04:05:14 | BenjaminMiles | Hi everyone; Who do I ask for write permission (I've registered already and want to add my custom WPS)? |
| 04:05:28 | annulus_ | its hard remember /me when your irc client is telnet |
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| 04:06:22 | * | Soap rolls his eyes at people who forget where the space bar is |
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| 04:06:41 | BenjaminMiles | Thanks. Soap −− May I have write permission on this name so I can add my WPS? |
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| 04:06:49 | Soap | one sec |
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| 04:10:48 | Soap | are you a spammer BenjaminMiles ? |
| 04:11:16 | Soap | Do you mean to disrupt wiki life through a series of increasingly grotesque page modifications? |
| 04:11:29 | BenjaminMiles | (Haha?) Nope. |
| 04:11:41 | BenjaminMiles | And no. |
| 04:11:42 | * | TrueJournals thinks that asking someone if they're a spammer is kind of... stupid.... |
| 04:11:43 | Soap | then it is done. |
| 04:12:03 | * | scorche thinks TrueJournals is kind of... stupid.... |
| 04:12:11 | * | Soap thinks TrueJournals doesn't understand the subtle details of Soap's humor. |
| 04:12:21 | TrueJournals | Thanks |
| 04:12:33 | * | scorche thinks TrueJournals should give Soap his first-born as penance |
| 04:12:43 | BenjaminMiles | Great, thankyou very much −− If you're interested/have the time, the WPS is "ShortCircuit" for the Gigabeat F port. Should have it up in a minute or two. |
| 04:13:05 | Soap | soon as I fix my gigabeat! |
| 04:13:13 | scorche | BenjaminMiles: please read WpsGallery before you post ;) |
| 04:13:19 | Soap | Johnny 5 is alive! ? |
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| 04:13:45 | BenjaminMiles | Haha, that was a subconcious inspiration, I think. |
| 04:13:56 | * | [steveo] looks around for some food |
| 04:14:13 | BenjaminMiles | Gonna get to it, then studying for exams. Thanks again all. |
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| 04:28:44 | JdGordon | :'( anyone know wher ei put my sansa? i cant find it :'( |
| 04:32:32 | scorche | you check in the fridge |
| 04:32:33 | scorche | ? |
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| 07:16:13 | JdGordon | scorche: the fridge? thats the last place id look |
| 07:16:20 | JdGordon | found it between the couch cousins :) |
| 07:16:22 | scorche | exactly! |
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| 07:17:07 | scorche | oh...i put it in the fridge...someone must have moved it... |
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| 07:17:46 | JdGordon | :) na, i remembered in the car on the way to uni that i saw it on the couch last night befre going to bed... so i guessed it must be there somewehre |
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| 08:38:13 | B4gder | great, a new site for the mrobe100 port ;*] |
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| 09:02:42 | EbErT | WHY does itunes continue to use 14% of my cpu! |
| 09:03:40 | petur | because it is crap? |
| 09:04:14 | EbErT | thats one reason |
| 09:04:14 | B4gder | wasn't it Jobs who said "14% ought to be enough for everyone" ? |
| 09:04:17 | B4gder | :-P |
| 09:04:20 | EbErT | can i have a more tangible reason? |
| 09:04:21 | LinusN | :-) |
| 09:04:44 | LinusN | EbErT: perhaps it is monitoring the attached devices and looks for an ipod |
| 09:05:02 | EbErT | argh macs are really suffering in this field cuz of itunes.. no option |
| 09:05:08 | LinusN | does itunes display ads? |
| 09:05:29 | EbErT | no linusN, no adds, ipod, store-anything |
| 09:05:57 | scorche | it takes a lot to just sit there and look pretty |
| 09:06:29 | EbErT | when i had a laptop it drove me insane |
| 09:06:49 | * | EbErT wishes for amarok on osx |
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| 09:09:25 | rasher_ | Anyone have any idea about why crosscompiling the sim blows up? - http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10152.0 |
| 09:11:17 | B4gder | hm, panicf... |
| 09:11:22 | B4gder | when did it stop working? |
| 09:12:22 | rasher_ | I honestly don't know - my last succesful build was the 12th, but it might be anything from there to the 21st or so |
| 09:12:50 | B4gder | in firmware/SOURCES the #ifdef for panic.c is #if !defined(WIN32) || defined(SDL) which seems weird |
| 09:13:18 | rasher_ | Ah, well that's a hint... |
| 09:13:54 | petur | didn't WIN32 get removed recently? |
| 09:14:03 | rasher_ | It's the SDL sim |
| 09:14:11 | rasher_ | Just compiled with mingw32 |
| 09:14:15 | amiconn | This #if line can be removed |
| 09:14:18 | B4gder | right, there's no win32 simulator anymore |
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| 09:16:40 | B4gder | i removed that one now |
| 09:16:42 | rasher_ | But .. SDL ought to be defined |
| 09:16:56 | B4gder | yes |
| 09:17:11 | rasher_ | I'll try building |
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| 09:17:43 | rasher_ | That fixed it, though I'm not quite sure I understand why |
| 09:18:00 | B4gder | probably because WIN32 _is_ defined when you crosscompile |
| 09:18:19 | B4gder | hm, or wait |
| 09:18:25 | amiconn | B4gder: It's || so it doesn't matter |
| 09:19:02 | B4gder | ah, its rather the lack of SDL being defined now |
| 09:19:13 | rasher_ | Ah, that's no longer defined? |
| 09:19:18 | rasher_ | Well that should do it.. |
| 09:19:32 | amiconn | B4gder: Did you remove that? |
| 09:19:40 | B4gder | I guess I did |
| 09:20:14 | rasher_ | It all builds now, so that's great |
| 09:21:17 | B4gder | the makefiles used the SIMVER variable so I kept that |
| 09:21:31 | B4gder | I tought I had removed all uses of the SDL variable, but apparently missed this |
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| 09:23:53 | linuxstb | B4gder: Some of the SUBDIR plugins still have the different Makefile sections for the different sims - I assume that should be cleaned? |
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| 09:24:14 | B4gder | yes indeed |
| 09:24:28 | B4gder | even apps/Makefile have them left |
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| 10:56:24 | pearldiver | wow |
| 10:56:31 | pearldiver | new crazy gigabeat WPS |
| 10:58:04 | markun | wow :) |
| 10:58:18 | pearldiver | i just tried it |
| 10:58:26 | pearldiver | it looks crazy on the player |
| 10:58:35 | pearldiver | a lot of details |
| 10:59:33 | pearldiver | is it just me or the peak meters even on gigabeat are a bit slow? |
| 10:59:47 | markun | never really tried it |
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| 11:00:20 | pearldiver | well try that WPS hehe |
| 11:00:26 | pearldiver | its worth trying |
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| 11:28:57 | amiconn | pearldiver: It's rather likely that peakmeters are slow on gigabeat. It has a huge display and afaik partial updates aren't implemented yet |
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| 12:29:32 | crop | markun: have you seen that fm2 tried to reach you yesterday? He's the author of the nimbus patch. But seems to live in another time plane |
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| 12:32:10 | crop | markun: ...since it's not the first time (I beleive) |
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| 12:34:30 | markun | yes, I see him in the logs only after I'm gone |
| 12:34:46 | markun | You've bugged me enough and I will take a look at the patch now :) |
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| 12:41:35 | markun | crop: sorry it took such a long time |
| 12:45:14 | crop | markun: you don't have to be sorry, I'm just an observer :-) |
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| 13:36:14 | Mistahmastah | hi all |
| 13:39:16 | Mistahmastah | i've got a problem. I want to uninstall rockbox from my ipod video, and when i deleted the /.rockbox/rockbox.ipod file and started the bootloader (just like the manual says), the bootloader can't find my ipod. |
| 13:40:02 | Mistahmastah | my ipod won't start up anymore, and the only thing i see now is an apple logo. is there a possibility i can make my ipod work again? |
| 13:42:15 | linuxstb | The manual doesn't say to run ipodpatcher and select the uninstall option? |
| 13:43:40 | linuxstb | You need to force your ipod into disk mode (hold MENU+SELECT together for a few seconds to reboot, then immediately press and hold SELECT+PLAY). Then run ipodpatcher |
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| 14:10:36 | Mistahmastah | thanks linuxstb! |
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| 16:14:59 | [steveo] | when useing winFF to convert avi's as suggested i got this msg |
| 16:15:08 | [steveo] | This application has requested the Runtime to terminate it in an unusual way. |
| 16:15:14 | [steveo] | Please contact the application's support team for more information. |
| 16:15:18 | [steveo] | any ideas? |
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| 16:17:29 | linuxstb | Can you tell if it's winff or ffmpeg causing that error? |
| 16:19:05 | [steveo] | "Abort at C:/msys/usrc/ffmpeg/ffmpeg.c:1589" |
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| 16:19:52 | [steveo] | Resampling with input channels greater than 2 unsupported.Can't resample. Abort |
| 16:19:52 | [steveo] | ing. |
| 16:20:02 | [steveo] | strange huh? |
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| 16:20:23 | linuxstb | OK, I've heard people say they have problems with the version of ffmpeg.exe that comes with winff - you could try finding an alternative version. |
| 16:20:45 | [steveo] | it worked fine with my other avi's |
| 16:21:56 | ender` | how do you know if ipod mini is 1st or 2nd gen? |
| 16:22:13 | linuxstb | 2nd gen has the capacity written on the back and button labels the same colour as the case |
| 16:22:35 | linuxstb | Or just run ipodpatcher, and it will tell you. |
| 16:23:05 | markun | [steveo]: maybe your other avis have stereo sound? |
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| 16:37:50 | crop | I'd like to resume the discussion from yesterday about license issues. I've heard that every unit released under GPL must have a copyright note and that the copyright holder must be a clearly identifiable party (person?) |
| 16:38:47 | crop | But bdf (font) files packaged with RB don't have such a statement. All I can see is "Public domain font. Share and enjoy." (I haven't analyzed them all) |
| 16:42:41 | markun | crop: can't they be shipped with a GPL project in that case? |
| 16:45:07 | GodEater | markun: If they're in the public domain then yes |
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| 16:45:58 | markun | can you release software with various parts using different licenses? |
| 16:46:12 | dionoea | if those licenses allow it yes |
| 16:46:27 | dionoea | (GPL doesn't AFAIK) |
| 16:46:29 | markun | it would be nice for example if we could keep the BSD licensed codecs under that license including the changes we made to them |
| 16:47:07 | markun | but maybe not everyone agrees with that |
| 16:47:25 | dionoea | it's up to the people who change the source code |
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| 16:48:31 | Galois | BSD-noad is compatible with GPL |
| 16:48:59 | Galois | http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html etc. |
| 16:50:20 | intgr | <dionoea> (GPL doesn't AFAIK) |
| 16:50:37 | intgr | GPL doesn't allow you to *link* to code with a more restrictive license. |
| 16:51:10 | intgr | But it does not make any demands about packaging. |
| 16:51:49 | dionoea | I interpreted "release software" to mean "1 app linked to a bunch of libs" |
| 16:52:29 | intgr | Well, "various parts" may mean multiple independent executables too. |
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| 16:52:52 | markun | Tremor (which is BSD) has a GPL file asm_mcf5249.h |
| 16:53:23 | markun | it would be nice if it was BSD too so it could be included in the official Tremor source |
| 16:53:23 | intgr | Does that file carry a linking exception? |
| 16:53:53 | markun | intgr: why should it? It BSD *more* restrictive? |
| 16:53:56 | markun | I don't think so |
| 16:54:09 | intgr | BSD has the advertising clause. |
| 16:54:21 | markun | not all verysion afaik |
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| 16:55:03 | intgr | Then I think there shouldn't be a problem, although I don't know for sure. |
| 16:55:55 | markun | intgr: https://trac.xiph.org/browser/trunk/Tremor/COPYING?rev=3895 |
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| 16:56:23 | markun | I don't know if we have to do the 2nd clause if we already do the 1st one.. |
| 16:57:53 | dionoea | the advertising clause was removed in 1999. |
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| 17:02:06 | intgr | Yeah, that's not the advertising clause that I was talking about. |
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| 17:02:26 | intgr | Although it technically is an additional restriction. |
| 17:02:56 | intgr | Oh wait, I confused the 2nd and 3rd clauses. :) |
| 17:03:37 | linuxstb | markun: I agree it could be nice to offer asm_mcf5249.h back to the Tremor people - is it preglow's code? |
| 17:04:43 | markun | no: Pedro Vasconcelos |
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| 17:04:59 | markun | at least he's stated as the copyright holder |
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| 17:06:07 | markun | I'm not sure how much rockbox specific stuff is in there |
| 17:06:59 | intgr | You can find out from SVN diffs. |
| 17:07:02 | intgr | Probably |
| 17:07:54 | markun | linuxstb: same for coldfire.S in libffmpegFLAC which is LGPL |
| 17:08:35 | intgr | Linking BSD to LGPL is perfectly legal. |
| 17:09:37 | markun | intgr: I'm not talking about linking Tremor and libffmpegFLAC but giving code back to the original projects |
| 17:09:48 | intgr | Ahh. |
| 17:10:18 | intgr | Sorry, I'm somewhat disoriented from the recent riot around here. |
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| 17:11:18 | linuxstb | markun: I'm embarrassed to say I can't remember that name... |
| 17:12:18 | linuxstb | But yes, "svn annotate" shows it's all by "pbv" |
| 17:12:32 | markun | linuxstb: I think it was the guy who was pissed off when I introduced center scrolling without making it an option :) |
| 17:12:41 | markun | but I have to go now |
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| 18:02:28 | pearldiver | gigabeat owners should check the new WPS from the gallery called ShortCircuit |
| 18:02:43 | pearldiver | really nice work |
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| 18:07:08 | linuxstb | pearldiver: I saw that earlier, it makes my eyes bleed... |
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| 18:56:08 | matholton | is there any information of how to produce sound via a plugin anywhere? |
| 18:57:00 | Rincewind | matholton: the best idea is to look at the code of an already existing plugin that produces sound |
| 18:57:08 | Rincewind | for instance the metronome |
| 18:59:55 | matholton | ah, good idea, I shall look there first! |
| 18:59:56 | matholton | thanks |
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| 19:05:15 | ackbahr | I just have a question I didn't find recents information about in posts : is anyone working one the host USB function for Iriver H320? |
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| 19:19:01 | * | amiconn wonders why so few wps'es for colour targets actually look like something usable |
| 19:22:49 | amiconn | Many of the are filled with functionless coloured and textured crap so that the actual song information is anywhere from hard to impossible to spot |
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| 19:24:25 | matholton | amiconn: It's freedom of expression |
| 19:25:08 | matholton | is it not possible for a plugin to produce sound whilst in the simulator? |
| 19:25:28 | amiconn | That is possible. |
| 19:25:45 | matholton | why is the metronome not built for the simulator then? |
| 19:25:57 | amiconn | Because the simulator doesn't simulate the timer |
| 19:26:00 | matholton | oh, you were answering the first comment, no? |
| 19:26:16 | amiconn | No, 2nd |
| 19:26:26 | matholton | oh |
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| 19:28:00 | amiconn | Other plugins like mpegplayer, doom and rockboy do work in the sim complete with sound |
| 19:28:37 | matholton | okay, I was looking for simplest possible bit of code to look at though |
| 19:30:32 | amiconn | As mentioned, metronome isn't built in the sim because of the timer. Playing PCM sound isn't really different between sim & target. |
| 19:32:07 | intgr | Why doesn't the metronome produce plain PCM output? |
| 19:32:21 | amiconn | It does for swcodec |
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| 19:40:44 | Slasheri | hmm, in fact the timer in metronome is very unnecessary and should be removed |
| 19:41:04 | amiconn | It is very necessary and must be kept for hwcodec |
| 19:41:10 | Slasheri | earlier it caused the plugin crash on swcodec until i fixed that recently |
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| 19:41:36 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, mp3 data must be played from an isr on hwcodec? |
| 19:41:43 | amiconn | And making it not use the timer for swcodec but keep the timer for hwcodec splits the code. Unnecessarily, imo |
| 19:41:50 | amiconn | No it doesn't |
| 19:42:03 | Slasheri | why is it necessary? |
| 19:42:11 | amiconn | But the timer is necessary for precise timing, and that's the purpose of a metronome, isn't it? |
| 19:42:35 | Slasheri | ok, so kernel timer is very unprecise on hwcodec.. |
| 19:42:40 | amiconn | Nope |
| 19:43:06 | amiconn | The kernel timer on SH is as precise as on PP, i.e. better than on coldfire |
| 19:43:26 | amiconn | Both the tick timer and the user timer have the same precision on all targets |
| 19:43:29 | Slasheri | ah yes, the resolution is quite slow indeed.. |
| 19:43:35 | amiconn | But the tick has only 10ms resolution |
| 19:43:45 | Slasheri | so it would limit the speed to 100 bpm |
| 19:43:51 | amiconn | no |
| 19:44:06 | amiconn | It would limit the speed to 6000bpm, but that's not the problem |
| 19:44:10 | matholton | amiconn: You're very negative today |
| 19:44:22 | amiconn | The jitter for higher bpms is the problem |
| 19:46:29 | amiconn | For swcodec (precisely: when dealing with pcm) it would be possible to implement metronome with no timer at all, just by filling with null samples and relying on the pcm output clock |
| 19:47:07 | amiconn | Bu that obviously doesn't work on hwcodec, as mp3 frames are rather granular |
| 19:47:49 | Slasheri | hmm, i don't see the problem then other than a bad implementation that would sample timer values too early to cause jitter |
| 19:47:49 | intgr | What exactly is "hwcodec"? Are there any players where you can't play back PCM directly? |
| 19:48:32 | Slasheri | i think it should be precise on higher bpms too with kernel timer, i will do some experiments |
| 19:48:33 | amiconn | intgr: Yes. Hwcodec means that there is a dedicated chip decoding the mp3 instead of the cpu |
| 19:48:50 | amiconn | This applies to the whole classic archos series supported by rockbox |
| 19:48:57 | intgr | Oh. |
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| 19:49:49 | intgr | So those players cannot play back any formats other than MP3 natively, either? |
| 19:49:59 | amiconn | They can play mp2 and mp3 |
| 19:50:08 | intgr | Right. |
| 19:50:18 | matholton | I though someone wrote a wav player or was it wav recorder? |
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| 19:50:40 | amiconn | This codec is actually a dsp that can be reprogrammed, but there are no docs (except some leaked ones foor the core itself) |
| 19:51:02 | amiconn | matholton: That someone was me (not only, but I made it work) |
| 19:51:30 | matholton | did you no not released? |
| 19:51:43 | amiconn | wavplay is in svn... |
| 19:51:48 | matholton | sorry, slip of the fingers - did you not release it? |
| 19:51:53 | matholton | too slow :-) |
| 19:52:00 | amiconn | The pcm codec for the MAS dsp core is not our own work and not open either, but we have written permission from Micronas and Archos to use it |
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| 19:52:42 | amiconn | In fact we *could* use this pcm codec for metronome, but not on all archoses |
| 19:53:01 | matholton | Can I ask, when you play a wav - you don't load the entire thing into memory then play, so how is it played without any gaps? |
| 19:53:11 | amiconn | The pcm codec is for the MAS F core, which includes the MAS3587F and the MAS3539F, i.e. Archos recorders and Ondios |
| 19:53:41 | amiconn | But the Archos player has a MAS3507D which can't run the pcm codec |
| 19:53:50 | darkfloyd7 | Can anyone tell me how to install the bootloader on a 3G ipod in linux without using "ipodpatcher"? My ipod is connected to my computer using firewire, in disk mode, and is not detected by ipodpatcher. |
| 19:54:11 | amiconn | matholton: Just like it works on all targets, rebuffer the next part before running out of data |
| 19:54:11 | matholton | Like, If I write a plugin that loads in a bunch of data on the fly, can I expect to have it play without any gaps, or will I have to do something clever? |
| 19:54:29 | linuxstb_ | darkfloyd7: What disk device is your ipod? |
| 19:54:35 | amiconn | Th eplayback engine in wavplay is really simlistic |
| 19:54:42 | matholton | Right, so I have to implement a thread yeah? |
| 19:54:42 | amiconn | *simplistic |
| 19:54:45 | darkfloyd7 | sdb |
| 19:54:53 | amiconn | wavplay doesn't use an extra thread |
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| 19:55:12 | linuxstb_ | darkfloyd7: Then it should work with ipodpatcher. Do you have a working install of the Apple firmware on it? |
| 19:55:19 | amiconn | It all depends on what else your plugin should do |
| 19:55:23 | matholton | hmmm, maybe I should check that code out - I want this idea of mine to run on all targets though |
| 19:55:56 | darkfloyd7 | linuxstb_: Yes, I do. The apple software works fine. |
| 19:55:57 | matholton | My plugin will play a 2 or 3 of minutes of data |
| 19:56:34 | z0de | anyone returned a x5 with rocbox on it? |
| 19:56:36 | matholton | ...and obviously I don't want gaps. Do you suggest looking at the wavplay code? |
| 19:56:39 | amiconn | If you want it to run on all targets, you'll want to use mp2/mp3 for the archoses |
| 19:56:39 | z0de | mine died |
| 19:56:59 | matholton | well, this isn't mp3 data that I have |
| 19:57:07 | linuxstb_ | darkfloyd7: Are you registered on freenode for private messages? It's a bit busy here at the moment... |
| 19:58:14 | matholton | amicon: I have an archos and an iriver - I would like to just get it working first, would you say the Archos is the easiest target? |
| 19:58:20 | amiconn | linuxstb: You could allow messages from unregistered users |
| 19:58:38 | darkfloyd7 | linuxstb_: give me a minute...i'm using the web client right now |
| 19:58:40 | linuxstb_ | matholton: You should keep a buffer full of pcm data, and implement a "get_more" function (which will get called from the audio driver interrupt) to empty the buffer. That will leave the plugin free to keep the buffer full. |
| 19:58:47 | amiconn | matholton: Since I don't know what your plugin will be doing, I honestly can't tell |
| 19:58:52 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Do you remember how? |
| 19:59:03 | amiconn | You say that you don't have mp3 data, that makes it more complicated for archos |
| 19:59:16 | * | amiconn asks nickserv |
| 19:59:41 | amiconn | /ns set unfiltered on |
| 19:59:58 | matholton | thanks linuxstb, that sounds like what I need - are there any examples of this being done (that are plugins)? |
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| 20:00:03 | amiconn | This is a persistent setting |
| 20:00:19 | matholton | amiconn: Right, I will stick with the iriver for now then |
| 20:00:47 | * | amiconn should probably put the pcm codec handling in the plugin lib until we implant it to the core |
| 20:01:16 | linuxstb_ | matholton: mpegplayer sort of works like that - but it also has multiple threads. |
| 20:01:20 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: thanks. |
| 20:01:50 | matholton | hmm, scary. I'll have a look. thanks. |
| 20:02:28 | linuxstb_ | But the code relating to the pcm buffer should help. |
| 20:03:16 | linuxstb_ | darkfloyd7: Check your PMs. In the webclient you should see a tab with my name at the top. |
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| 20:06:11 | amiconn | Slasheri: I think it should be possible to simulate the user timer just like the tick timer |
| 20:06:35 | amiconn | The only thing I am nore sure about is whether SDL allows more than one SDL_Timer at the same time |
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| 20:07:44 | amiconn | Looks like it does :) |
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| 20:17:34 | directhex | blech, i've got RB crashing. means i need to try a new build, which means arseache :( |
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| 20:32:08 | giraffeskates | hey, does anyone know how to get the 4th gen greyscale ipod so you can actually put files onto it? i knew how before, but i forgot, and now i cant find it in documentation |
| 20:32:25 | giraffeskates | its a bit useless to me if i connect it to the computer and i cant find out how to put it in the mode to where i can get files on it |
| 20:33:24 | giraffeskates | okay. you guys have been helpful |
| 20:33:24 | giraffeskates | thanks |
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| 20:33:54 | markun | you're welcome I guess |
| 20:33:59 | * | linuxstb_ deletes the reply he was writing... |
| 20:34:44 | perldiver | markun have you ever finished the POWER and A swapping patch by any chance? |
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| 20:36:04 | markun | perldiver: oops :) |
| 20:36:08 | perldiver | heh |
| 20:36:14 | markun | well, I guess the patch is ready |
| 20:36:21 | markun | just the plugins need to be redone |
| 20:36:37 | markun | linuxstb_, perldiver: what do you think? Should I commit it? |
| 20:36:53 | linuxstb_ | I'm starting to get used to the current arrangement now... |
| 20:37:07 | perldiver | linuxstb try to page scroll... |
| 20:37:07 | markun | it will piss off quite some people, that's for sure |
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| 20:37:08 | perldiver | or... |
| 20:37:12 | markun | nobody likes changes |
| 20:37:19 | perldiver | try to move across the text editor... |
| 20:37:33 | perldiver | or... |
| 20:38:03 | linuxstb_ | markun: But as I remember being in favour of it when we first discussed, I guess I'm still in favour. |
| 20:38:13 | linuxstb_ | So commit and hide... |
| 20:38:36 | perldiver | i mean i can offer an alternative for page scrolling |
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| 20:38:45 | perldiver | for example, to use the VOL keys |
| 20:38:58 | perldiver | same for text editor i guess |
| 20:39:11 | perldiver | since VOL keys just hang in there and do nothing most of the time |
| 20:39:26 | perldiver | this way we can save current configuration |
| 20:40:16 | markun | linuxstb_: I'll carefully examine the diff first |
| 20:42:32 | markun | linuxstb_, perldiver: can you look it through? http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/keymap.diff |
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| 20:42:52 | perldiver | ok |
| 20:43:49 | markun | I removed the ACTION_STD_OK with the POWER button |
| 20:44:12 | markun | and moved the ABRESET action together with the other AB actions |
| 20:44:25 | markun | the rest is just a search and replace |
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| 20:45:02 | directhex | erm... i just did a checkout from svn. does it STILL reset on hold-switch at the moment, or am i misreading? |
| 20:46:20 | markun | directhex: yes, I should change that as well |
| 20:46:47 | linuxstb_ | markun: It looks OK to me after a quick read. |
| 20:48:40 | markun | ok, committed |
| 20:48:47 | linuxstb_ | markun: When are you next on holiday, so I can swap A and SELECT in the WPS ? ;) |
| 20:49:16 | markun | I still want to come to the devcon, don't know if that counts as a holiday :) |
| 20:49:31 | linuxstb_ | No, you'll still be keeping a close eye on the commits... |
| 20:50:07 | amiconn | markun: Hmm, you didn't put yourself on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevCon2007 |
| 20:50:16 | markun | amiconn: I still didn't buy the ticket |
| 20:50:18 | perldiver | A and SELECT swapping is a bad idea |
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| 20:50:28 | amiconn | Right now it looks like devcon 2007 will be smaller than devcon 2006... |
| 20:50:39 | perldiver | i know it makes it consistent with other targets |
| 20:50:45 | perldiver | but its just not for gigabeat |
| 20:51:55 | markun | I also think the cross should be just for playback related stuff in the WPS |
| 20:52:07 | linuxstb_ | perldiver: Why is the gigabeat special? |
| 20:52:26 | perldiver | um, just the way they controls are |
| 20:52:28 | amiconn | Hehe, using the power button as modifier is indeed a bad idea |
| 20:52:39 | markun | linuxstb_: I think the iriver H1xx is special |
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| 20:52:41 | perldiver | you dont want to go away from cross for the playback needs |
| 20:52:41 | directhex | markun, i wrote you a patch back in feb! |
| 20:52:59 | markun | because it has a special play/pause button on the side |
| 20:53:07 | markun | (or was it just play?) |
| 20:53:11 | perldiver | hehe |
| 20:53:26 | linuxstb_ | It's play/pause. But then that's what A becomes in Rockbox as there are no buttons labeled play. |
| 20:53:33 | markun | directhex: I lost it. |
| 20:53:42 | markun | directhex: which combo did we decide on? |
| 20:53:48 | markun | or did you rather |
| 20:54:04 | directhex | + #define SETTINGS_RESET (BUTTON_A | BUTTON_POWER) |
| 20:54:31 | markun | directhex: I don't know if the new bootloader changed any of the buttons |
| 20:54:38 | directhex | http://apebox.org/data/gigabeat_reset.patch is what i wrote. futz it if you like |
| 20:54:43 | linuxstb_ | Why a combination? Why not just a single button like the other targets? |
| 20:54:51 | directhex | oh, there's a new bootloader? looks like this evening'll be more fun than i thought |
| 20:55:02 | markun | :) |
| 20:55:14 | markun | directhex: yes, I don't think the latest rockbox even loads without it |
| 20:55:20 | markun | did you see the new menu? |
| 20:55:34 | perldiver | combination for what exactly? |
| 20:55:37 | amiconn | Do we really need a special settings reset button/combo? |
| 20:55:53 | directhex | i've not seen anything since my last build (r12521) |
| 20:56:03 | amiconn | On the archoses we don't have that, and I never missed it either |
| 20:56:11 | markun | amiconn: easier than to edit the config by hand |
| 20:56:21 | directhex | amiconn, honestly, i don't care. but having it on hold-switch is shit |
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| 20:57:08 | markun | amiconn: mainly for people who have a black backdrop with black text I think (which afaik is not possible on the archoses) |
| 20:57:20 | directhex | there's my mild-mannered patch. fiddle line 10 if you want it to be a single button. but for the love of god, make it not the hold switch |
| 20:57:30 | amiconn | hmmm.... |
| 20:57:49 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: I agree it shouldn't be needed, but there are still some bugs where it's helpful - e.g. bad theme combinations, and resume-on-startup with a track that crashes Rockbox. |
| 20:57:50 | amiconn | directhex: What's the problem with it being bound to the hold switch? |
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| 20:58:21 | markun | amiconn: that the hold switch is nice to turn on befor you put your device in your pocket |
| 20:58:23 | amiconn | On the ipod it's also on the hold switch. I never needed it, but also never triggered it inadvertently |
| 20:58:39 | markun | I did trigger it by accident |
| 20:58:45 | amiconn | markun: Yes, but where is the problem? |
| 20:59:00 | amiconn | The settings reset is only checked at boot, isn't it? |
| 20:59:13 | directhex | i triggered it about fifteen times in a month |
| 20:59:21 | markun | and the booting takes some time on the Gigabeat |
| 20:59:38 | directhex | hold power, gigabeat starts booting. enable hold, put in pocket, device continues to boot and starts pla... oh, wait, no all your settings are gone |
| 20:59:47 | markun | amiconn: why do you want it to be the hold switch? |
| 20:59:49 | directhex | fantastic |
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| 21:00:05 | amiconn | markun: I don't, I'm just wondering about it in general |
| 21:00:27 | amiconn | Maybe I have no problem with it being on the hold switch because I don't use hold often |
| 21:00:47 | markun | but you say that for almost every rockbox feature :) |
| 21:00:59 | amiconn | On ipod I do use it though, because of the annoying wheel |
| 21:01:17 | directhex | right, making a new "normal" build. what's invilved in the new bootloader - just build it in another dir and copy the new file across? |
| 21:01:33 | amiconn | Hold is mainly a hw feature, at least on the targets with a dedicated switch |
| 21:01:53 | markun | directhex: yes, that or download it from the GigabeatFX page |
| 21:02:03 | linuxstb_ | directhex: It's safer to just use the official binary bootloader, unless you've patched it. |
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| 21:02:42 | markun | linuxstb_: do you think I should warn about the button changes in the MajorChanges page? |
| 21:03:11 | markun | as that's where we send people too to look when the update |
| 21:03:34 | linuxstb_ | Yes, I guess it's major enough (for gigabeat users) to go there. |
| 21:04:03 | markun | Ah, now I need to change the manual as well probably |
| 21:04:32 | linuxstb_ | Yes, but that uses macros for the buttons, so it should be easy. |
| 21:05:08 | pixelma | markun look into the gigabeat's platform file |
| 21:05:19 | markun | pixelma: thanks |
| 21:05:29 | markun | never looked at the manual source before |
| 21:05:29 | toffe82 | markun : can you put a message in the zip files so when you install you have a warning for the changes |
| 21:05:54 | markun | toffe82: I wouldn't know how |
| 21:06:06 | toffe82 | markun: and also there should be a message in rbutil |
| 21:07:26 | toffe82 | markun: I think that on eday somebody said there was a way to do it, when you open a zip file it pop up a text message |
| 21:07:58 | markun | linuxstb_: btw, bootloader USB mode doesn't work on the Gigabeat X and the option to copy back the OF has been removed.. |
| 21:08:20 | linuxstb_ | I thought kkurbjun had someone test on the X? |
| 21:08:52 | markun | also the USB mode? Well, I hope so |
| 21:09:02 | toffe82 | I think it is working |
| 21:09:14 | markun | ok, good then |
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| 21:09:49 | toffe82 | you have to ask to scubacoles |
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| 21:10:29 | markun | or jba |
| 21:11:03 | amiconn | toffe82: There is. Iirc you just need to put a file called .displayme in the zip |
| 21:11:10 | toffe82 | jba is busy babysitting it seems |
| 21:11:17 | amiconn | I'm not sure whether all zip tools support this though |
| 21:11:31 | kkurbjun | markun, bootloader usb works on the X |
| 21:11:34 | markun | yes, it's like everybody is having a baby these days |
| 21:11:42 | markun | kkurbjun: great! |
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| 21:12:01 | toffe82 | markun : you can try the .displayme in the zip |
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| 21:12:52 | markun | so will that file be extracted to the player as well then? |
| 21:13:15 | linuxstb_ | "unzip" doesn't seem to recognise a .displayme file... |
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| 21:13:31 | amiconn | Maybe it's pkzip specific |
| 21:13:44 | amiconn | Hmm, can't be |
| 21:13:49 | directhex | okay, new build installed |
| 21:14:35 | markun | directhex: anything different? |
| 21:15:02 | directhex | the menus have moved around! |
| 21:15:13 | linuxstb_ | kkurbjun: What differences are there between the X and the F? Did you have to add any run-time detection? |
| 21:15:37 | markun | directhex: yes, and how! |
| 21:16:26 | markun | it looks like the bootloader doesn't use any special keys anymore, so which button would be best for settings reset? |
| 21:16:35 | markun | A? MENU? |
| 21:17:32 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:17:33 | linuxstb_ | Other targets use RECORD, so I guess it doesn't matter in that respect. |
| 21:17:40 | markun | I think I'll go with A, any objections? |
| 21:17:46 | markun | directhex: what do you think? |
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| 21:18:02 | directhex | i'd say A. there's no reason you'd want to be pressing it during boot |
| 21:18:16 | markun | but neither any of the other buttons.. |
| 21:18:21 | markun | A it is.. |
| 21:18:25 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, no, no runtime detection. I messed up some of the gpio initialization and the X was more sensitive to it. The original bootloader did not follow the main code usb initialization the same |
| 21:18:43 | amiconn | Hmm, seems I confused this .displayme stuff. It was an (amiga-only??) feature of lha |
| 21:19:13 | linuxstb_ | Ah, that's probably where I remember the feature from. |
| 21:19:24 | amiconn | It displayed any file with the .displayme extension, not only with that literal name |
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| 21:20:05 | linuxstb_ | kkurbjun: That's good to know. So it doesn't look like separate builds will ever be needed? |
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| 21:23:10 | kkurbjun | well, there's still some pins that we don't touch that are unknown right now, I think that they are close enough that you should be able to just do a couple of ifdefs here and there if it comes down to it. Toffe did the original traces on the f and he was going to depopulate another board because some traces were broken in his initial work, but we still won't have traces of the X. |
| 21:24:16 | directhex | must go cook dinner |
| 21:24:23 | directhex | someone remind me i need to tweak my WPS |
| 21:25:06 | kkurbjun | back to work.. |
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| 21:31:49 | directhex | damn, 1 pixel out |
| 21:32:39 | directhex | there we go. all is good |
| 21:33:00 | amiconn | bah |
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| 21:35:18 | l2eM1x | so i was wondering, is there a reason the ipod turns on after being unplugged from the USB port? |
| 21:37:34 | amiconn | The native linker on my build box segfaults... |
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| 21:41:35 | markun | l2eM1x: I can't imagine a good reason for that no |
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| 21:42:11 | l2eM1x | markun: because in my case, when I charge my Ipod sometimes I will shut off the computer |
| 21:42:27 | l2eM1x | and since I have it set to continue playing on startup |
| 21:42:33 | l2eM1x | it will just play the whole night and run out of batteries |
| 21:42:39 | Reno | Hi i got a question although, i dont know as a rockbox question or not.....well....anyway here it goes... |
| 21:43:01 | Reno | how did you guy's make or create rockbox? |
| 21:43:12 | Reno | i want want to learn how to do that. |
| 21:43:21 | l2eM1x | alot of ASM and C |
| 21:44:32 | Reno | can you guy's tell me how you did that? PLEASE???? |
| 21:44:43 | Reno | Atleast just tell me? |
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| 21:44:48 | Bagder | Reno: we code, live, work software |
| 21:44:57 | l2eM1x | get a degree is computer science |
| 21:45:02 | l2eM1x | and you will understand |
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| 21:45:06 | markun | Reno: do you have any specific questions? |
| 21:45:12 | * | Bagder has no degree |
| 21:45:15 | Reno | like what software? |
| 21:45:35 | markun | Reno: you need a cross-compiler and an editor |
| 21:45:47 | Reno | i want to learn how to do that and i'll do anything to learn!!! |
| 21:45:57 | Reno | REALLY! |
| 21:46:05 | markun | Anything.. interesting |
| 21:46:11 | l2eM1x | like I said, get a computer science degree |
| 21:46:24 | l2eM1x | that stuff just isnt something you can pick up and understand so easy |
| 21:46:28 | Bagder | Reno: figure out something you want to do, then start learning the details on how to achieve it |
| 21:46:44 | Reno | I want to do that cuz you guy's are like smart as hell!!! Rock box is kool as hell too!!! |
| 21:47:08 | Reno | But i want to make my own! |
| 21:47:22 | Bagder | make your own what? |
| 21:47:32 | Reno | i dotn care how long or how hard i have to work to learn how to do that!!!! |
| 21:47:48 | * | darkfloyd7 wonders what it's like inside the head of a troll |
| 21:47:53 | * | Bagder feels like talking to a wall |
| 21:47:57 | Reno | make something like rockbox! what is that called again? |
| 21:48:10 | ompaul | darkfloyd7, first there the the mush filter |
| 21:48:40 | darkfloyd7 | lol |
| 21:49:05 | Reno | how long did it take to create rockbox? |
| 21:49:11 | ompaul | darkfloyd7, then there is the context changer |
| 21:49:28 | Reno | do you have to know math for this? |
| 21:49:31 | Reno | ????????? |
| 21:49:31 | Bagder | Reno: from nothing to the first port, or till today? |
| 21:49:51 | amiconn | Bagder: Sorry about the red |
| 21:49:56 | * | amiconn downgrades binutils |
| 21:50:05 | Reno | do i have to know math 4 this? |
| 21:50:08 | linuxstb_ | Reno: http://www.rockbox.org/history.html |
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| 21:50:15 | Reno | oh thanks! |
| 21:50:17 | Bagder | amiconn: annoying stuff that |
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| 21:51:08 | amiconn | Yes. debian unstable for amd64 upgraded to cvs binutils which just segfault. I downgraded to 2.17.3 again |
| 21:51:12 | Reno | i mean like do i have to know a lot of math for this???? |
| 21:51:23 | l2eM1x | It depends on what you want to do |
| 21:51:33 | * | l2eM1x feels like hes talking to a wall also |
| 21:51:34 | Reno | so i do have to know that? |
| 21:51:34 | Bagder | I better hold off upgrade for a little while then... |
| 21:51:46 | l2eM1x | it depends on what to do |
| 21:51:51 | l2eM1x | you do* |
| 21:51:54 | * | amiconn has binutils locked for now |
| 21:51:57 | Reno | y do you feel like talking to awall? |
| 21:52:07 | Reno | ??? |
| 21:52:39 | amiconn | Bagder: storebror is running amd64? |
| 21:52:47 | Reno | creating rockbox what is that called? |
| 21:52:47 | Bagder | yes |
| 21:52:53 | Bagder | amiconn: but 32bit user-space |
| 21:52:54 | tsuyoshi | reno: the first thing to do is learn c or assembly |
| 21:53:06 | amiconn | Bagder: Then you might very well not have that problem |
| 21:53:11 | Reno | what is rockbox???? |
| 21:53:12 | amiconn | I am running true 64 bit |
| 21:53:18 | markun | Reno: a firmware |
| 21:53:22 | linuxstb_ | Reno: Creating rockbox is called programming... |
| 21:53:24 | Bagder | yes, it struck me too |
| 21:53:32 | Reno | oh firmware got it! |
| 21:53:38 | Reno | ok |
| 21:53:43 | amiconn | Oh, was that the problem yesterday? |
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| 21:53:59 | chrisjs169|afk | was FS3045 accepted? (album art) |
| 21:54:09 | Reno | problem??? |
| 21:54:14 | Bagder | amiconn: what problem was that? |
| 21:54:21 | Reno | oh |
| 21:54:36 | linuxstb_ | chrisjs169|afk: No. |
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| 21:54:54 | linuxstb_ | chrisjs169|afk: When it is, that task will be closed. |
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| 21:55:05 | amiconn | Bagder: Ah, no, can't be. I referred to the red in the build table yesterday. But that was Ondio target, so no native binutils involved |
| 21:55:06 | Reno | whick one of you guy's created rockbox? Or was it all of you? |
| 21:55:23 | l2eM1x | Reno: its alot of people. |
| 21:55:39 | Reno | Who named it rockbox? |
| 21:55:43 | Bagder | amiconn: ah yes, no that was some kind of weird leftover state from the previous build which got stuck and I killed it |
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| 21:55:52 | Reno | : ) |
| 21:55:59 | Bagder | really not clear to me |
| 21:56:08 | matholton | This audio playback code within plugins is extremely complicated - is there any background information I can read up on before attempting to continue? |
| 21:56:17 | amiconn | Anyway, red should be gone next round |
| 21:57:15 | chrisjs169|afk | linuxstb: I didn't see anything saying it was, but it seems like it was already applied when I downloaded rockbox just now |
| 21:58:04 | Reno | Do you guy's think one persom alone can create a firmware or can it be just one person???? |
| 21:58:33 | Bagder | Reno: please go read the site/faq/forums/mailing list archives |
| 21:58:36 | l2eM1x | Reno: how about you do some research on your own |
| 21:58:36 | Reno | if one person creates it alone he must have to be smart as hell! |
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| 21:59:24 | Reno | just asking. you guy's getting annoyed or something??? |
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| 21:59:38 | chrisjs169|afk | linuxstb_: Weird, just downloaded everything again and it worked |
| 21:59:48 | directhex | Reno, there are 284 people in the credits for rockbox |
| 21:59:49 | Bagder | Reno: yes, but the answers are provided, and you don't even seem to care for our answers but just continue asking and asking |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:36 | Reno | cause i do things better when people show me or tell me how to do them! |
| 22:00:43 | Reno | not just by reading them! |
| 22:01:04 | darkfloyd7 | what if someone tells you to read something? |
| 22:01:10 | BHSPitMonkey | Reno, none of us can show you or tell you anything; you'd be reading it from us or reading it from a site. |
| 22:01:13 | Reno | i'll read it. |
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| 22:01:36 | BHSPitMonkey | Reno, people have worked hard to document what's been documented. Don't shun their gifts. |
| 22:01:46 | Reno | yeah but you guy's explain it better than your manual. |
| 22:02:03 | directhex | Reno, rockbox represents almost five and a half years' work by almost three hundred people, on and off. you can't learn how to do that from a couple of questions on IRC, and especially without a background or experience in programming |
| 22:02:05 | Reno | i'm not trying to shun that! |
| 22:02:13 | BHSPitMonkey | If you have specific clarifications that need to be made, based on something you've read on the site/wiki, someone will surely be able to help you. |
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| 22:02:41 | BHSPitMonkey | If that's the case, you're also in a position to improve the wiki and/or manual if need be. |
| 22:02:50 | markun | Reno: why do you want to create your own firmware? |
| 22:02:59 | BHSPitMonkey | If the manual isn't good enough, well, that's why it's "Open". |
| 22:03:04 | directhex | Reno, that work includes writing extensive documentation to answer pretty much everything you've asked so far - documentation is as valuable a resource as code |
| 22:03:24 | directhex | now, must go and check on my chikkin |
| 22:03:27 | Reno | cause it looks raw as hell!!!!! you guy's are all smart and SH**!!! |
| 22:03:48 | chrisjs169|afk | firmware is supposed to be raw |
| 22:04:15 | chrisjs169|afk | well, encrypted usually, but the source, like everything else, is raw |
| 22:04:17 | Reno | i know! |
| 22:04:41 | Bagder | Reno: then go learn program C and some basic assembly |
| 22:04:43 | markun | Reno: why not just use (or work on) rockbox then? |
| 22:04:45 | Bagder | then come back when you do |
| 22:04:56 | Reno | wait what kind of raw are you talking about? |
| 22:05:07 | BHSPitMonkey | Use less pronouns, people. |
| 22:05:12 | * | Bagder fires up his /ignore command |
| 22:05:22 | chrisjs169|afk | source code raw? |
| 22:05:38 | Reno | no that is not what i mean. |
| 22:05:41 | Reno | -_- |
| 22:05:59 | Reno | i mean raw like "kool" "awsome" |
| 22:06:16 | Reno | do you guy's know any sloang |
| 22:06:20 | Reno | slang? |
| 22:06:28 | * | markun follows Bagder's example |
| 22:06:32 | chrisjs169|afk | most likely yes.... |
| 22:06:58 | Reno | ok so you know what "raw" is right? |
| 22:07:24 | darkfloyd7 | Reno: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcGuidelines |
| 22:07:28 | chrisjs169|afk | well, raw can mean quite a lot of things... |
| 22:07:48 | chrisjs169|afk | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=raw |
| 22:08:12 | Reno | hey i'm not trying to shun or offened or what ever!!! i just want to make something like you guy's!!! |
| 22:08:25 | chrisjs169|afk | why not build off of it? |
| 22:08:27 | Reno | how old are you! |
| 22:08:42 | chrisjs169|afk | well, since you just made a statement, i'm not gonna respond |
| 22:08:50 | Reno | are you in highschool? |
| 22:08:56 | darkfloyd7 | Reno: "Use clear, grammatical, correctly-spelled english. "Words" such as "thx", "u", and "kewl" are not acceptable." |
| 22:09:06 | darkfloyd7 | goodbye |
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| 22:09:14 | Reno | lol |
| 22:09:19 | ompaul | Reno, you were asked to read the channel guidelines, |
| 22:09:46 | * | darkfloyd7 follows suit and ignores Reno |
| 22:09:49 | Reno | "kwel" lol!!!!! XD |
| 22:09:58 | chrisjs169|afk | mentioned twice that i've seen, plus in the....nevermind |
| 22:10:25 | directhex | i will be the sole bastion of education! when i'm not checking on dinner |
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| 22:10:54 | darkfloyd7 | Ahh. Peace and quiet... |
| 22:10:58 | directhex | Reno, rockbox is a large, complex project representing thousands of man-hours. what *exactly* do you want to do? |
| 22:11:25 | chrisjs169|afk | Reno: we aren't joking around, and if you weren't being ignored by so many people, you could possibly be banned right now, depending on the type of mood everyone's in |
| 22:11:29 | Reno | i dont talk or spell right like you guy's cuz i'm not smart and sh** like you guy's is!!!!! |
| 22:12:16 | directhex | Reno, time spent spoon-feeding you information available on the rockbox website is time not spent working on rockbox. what exactly do you want to achieve? |
| 22:12:47 | Bagder | I think we all better stop feeding the troll, it won't stop by itself |
| 22:12:50 | Reno | and how can i be banned???? what didi i do???ask too many questions??? |
| 22:13:03 | | Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 22:13:11 | Reno | really how can i be banned? |
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| 22:13:25 | * | darkfloyd7 seconds Bagder's motion |
| 22:13:30 | chrisjs169|afk | well, i have no administrative position in this channel, but yelling and ignoring channel rules would be a start... |
| 22:13:51 | Reno | what i'm trying to say is that i admire your work and i want to learn how to do wha tyou guy's can do!!!! |
| 22:13:54 | mutantpineapple | sounds like a party |
| 22:14:05 | Mode | "#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 22:14:09 | chrisjs169|afk | uh oh |
| 22:14:24 | Reno | uh oh??????? |
| 22:14:28 | Reno | what??? |
| 22:14:33 | TrueJournals | nice |
| 22:14:43 | darkfloyd7 | lol |
| 22:14:52 | Kick | (#rockbox Reno :learn) by Bagder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder |
| 22:15:03 | darkfloyd7 | \o/ |
| 22:15:05 | TrueJournals | Very nice ;-) |
| 22:15:16 | l2eM1x | haha |
| 22:15:18 | l2eM1x | thankyou! |
| 22:15:27 | chrisjs169|afk | heh, he quit IRC |
| 22:16:11 | TrueJournals | $10 says he's going to go on the forums and complain... |
| 22:16:25 | directhex | so... about 10-12 years old, american? |
| 22:16:25 | chrisjs169|afk | yeah |
| 22:16:42 | ompaul | using a .se cgi ... |
| 22:16:53 | mutantpineapple | i could spell at 12 :| |
| 22:17:08 | directhex | ah, swedish was my second guess, but i didn't think swedes said things like "raw" and "tight" and "fo'shizzle'nizzle" |
| 22:17:21 | Bagder | no, I would not say Swedish either |
| 22:17:22 | chrisjs169|afk | i don't think 12 year olds usually yell nonstop....(!!!!!!!!) |
| 22:17:26 | directhex | mutantpineapple, those of us destined for a life at the business end of a compiler probably could |
| 22:17:52 | directhex | chrisjs169|afk, overexposure to my fiancee's siblings when they were younger disagrees |
| 22:18:01 | directhex | chrisjs169|afk, god, even her 18-year-old sister behaves like that online |
| 22:18:31 | matholton | Oh dear, I really don't want to do a 'Reno' here but can anyone give me any tips on how to implement an audio playback plugin please? I was given some good information earlier regarding implementing a get_more function but I accidently reset my damn computer and lost it (I know, stupid me - I can check the logs tommorow). Just some basics or pointers to some basic information. |
| 22:18:38 | chrisjs169|afk | directhex: i guess it depends on how professional they want to be |
| 22:19:06 | Bagder | the matholton the logs are published realtime, no need to wait ;-) |
| 22:19:14 | chrisjs169|afk | directhex: not even professional, but mature |
| 22:19:18 | Bagder | uhm, cut the extra "the" ;-P |
| 22:19:18 | directhex | chrisjs169|afk, indeed. i suppose at 12 i was cruisin' yahoo chat channels with names like "tEeN pOoL pArTy" |
| 22:19:23 | matholton | Oh right, I'll check, thanks Badger |
| 22:19:50 | pixelma | ompaul: that was just the official rockbox irc webclient |
| 22:20:08 | ompaul | pixelma, ahhh |
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| 22:21:04 | matholton | They only go to the 26th - never mind. |
| 22:21:32 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl?date=20070427 |
| 22:21:42 | AceNik__ | my source in the .svn is locked , i ran svn cleanup , but it says this "svn: Can't open directory 'tools/fwpatcher/.svn/tmp': No such file or directory" |
| 22:21:55 | darkfloyd7 | has anyone here built a cross-compiler on gentoo using crossdev? |
| 22:22:24 | directhex | you can put away the +o now Bagder |
| 22:22:51 | amiconn | directhex: If getpos.de is right, the connection was from Illinois, USA |
| 22:22:54 | Bagder | what, you mean to step down to you, mere mortals? B-] |
| 22:23:01 | Mode | "#rockbox -o Bagder " by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 22:23:12 | directhex | yay, i win \o/ |
| 22:23:23 | directhex | but i burnt dinner. i need a non-stick pan :( |
| 22:23:40 | chrisjs169|afk | uh oh |
| 22:23:49 | darkfloyd7 | or an irc client built into your stove ;) |
| 22:24:00 | chrisjs169|afk | it looks like reno is back on #ubuntu-it |
| 22:24:06 | amiconn | Hillside, Illinois to be exact |
| 22:24:13 | chrisjs169|afk | unless he was using someone elses nick |
| 22:24:14 | l2eM1x | wow |
| 22:24:17 | l2eM1x | we are close amiconn |
| 22:24:29 | * | amiconn likes that the cgiirc IDs carry the IP address :) |
| 22:24:41 | l2eM1x | that is reno that lives in hillside? |
| 22:24:48 | amiconn | yes |
| 22:24:56 | matholton | How do you instruct the audio driver to use the get_more function? Or is the fact that the function is written enough to inform the audio driver? |
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| 22:25:03 | l2eM1x | jeez hes 10 minutes from here |
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| 22:25:19 | darkfloyd7 | l2eM1x: don't get any crazy ideas now... |
| 22:25:46 | l2eM1x | im crazy |
| 22:25:57 | darkfloyd7 | uh oh |
| 22:27:08 | AceNik__ | can anyone give me a direct command to type to restore svn to todays date by it comparing also what to restore |
| 22:27:16 | amiconn | matholton: You pass a pointer to this function when kicking off playback |
| 22:28:24 | matholton | amiconn: thanks. So I can search for get_more within (for example) mpegplayer.c and that should give me an idea. |
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| 22:37:46 | scorche | awwww...looks like i missed some fun |
| 22:37:56 | l2eM1x | heh |
| 22:41:12 | TrueJournals | err... I want to try out coLinux for development, but the self-extracting 7zip file is downloading at a painfully slow rate (14 kbps)... Does anyone have a faster mirror? |
| 22:42:17 | scorche | ah...that is from Soap's site |
| 22:42:42 | TrueJournals | Seems like something that should be hosted at download.rockbox.org |
| 22:42:50 | scorche | Bagder: sounds like it would be nice to have the colinux image hosted on the download? |
| 22:42:55 | TrueJournals | (like the VMWare disk image) |
| 22:43:01 | Bagder | yeah I guess |
| 22:43:11 | Bagder | where is it? URL? |
| 22:43:21 | scorche | http://rockbox.cleansoap.org/files/root_fs.exe |
| 22:43:28 | scorche | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CoLinuxDevelopmentPlatform |
| 22:44:03 | TrueJournals | Yeah... no way I'm waiting 6 hours for that to download |
| 22:44:19 | TrueJournals | and I have fast internet... I can get like 700 kbps usually |
| 22:44:48 | Bagder | I get 450KB |
| 22:44:59 | TrueJournals | downloading from soap's site? |
| 22:45:00 | Bagder | / second |
| 22:45:03 | Bagder | yes |
| 22:45:14 | TrueJournals | hmm... let me try again |
| 22:45:24 | Bagder | so in 12 minutes I can offer it from the dl site |
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| 22:45:47 | TrueJournals | Now I'm getting... 23 kbps |
| 22:46:05 | TrueJournals | and it just went back down to 13 kbps |
| 22:46:27 | linuxstb_ | I get around 200KB/s |
| 22:46:30 | Bagder | I still have 450 |
| 22:46:37 | TrueJournals | It hates me... |
| 22:48:03 | scorche | well, regardless, it is still nice to have mirrors for this sort of thing |
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| 22:51:08 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: Speaking of downloads, that reminds me I have a couple more encodes of Elephants Dream for the download server - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/144x112.zip (and 114x80.zip). |
| 22:51:32 | Bagder | Mikachu's been absent lately... |
| 22:51:36 | linuxstb_ | ^144/80.zip |
| 22:51:47 | linuxstb_ | Aren't they still on the download server as well? |
| 22:51:54 | Bagder | they are |
| 22:52:12 | * | linuxstb_ was just redirected... |
| 22:52:36 | Bagder | yes, they're not (easily) accessible |
| 22:52:39 | Bagder | from there |
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| 22:57:21 | Bagder | TrueJournals: http://download.rockbox.org/vmware/coLinux-selfextract.exe |
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| 22:57:27 | TrueJournals | thank you :-D |
| 22:58:17 | TrueJournals | Let's see... 989 kbps... much better :-D |
| 22:58:27 | Bagder | :-) |
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| 23:02:08 | scorche | in the vmware folder, eh? =P |
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| 23:02:30 | Bagder | well... |
| 23:02:31 | TrueJournals | I was kind of thinking that too :-\ |
| 23:02:49 | Bagder | don't think ;-) |
| 23:02:58 | TrueJournals | :-\ |
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| 23:04:23 | TrueJournals | Wiki page should probably be updated... |
| 23:04:39 | scorche | i will nab Soap wehn he gets here, as it is his page |
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| 23:05:04 | scorche | tell him to possibly adjust it so it is more like the vmware page in a list of mirrors |
| 23:05:36 | TrueJournals | The CoLinux page just seems messy in general... there's that whole paragraph of text in the middle that just seems... messy |
| 23:06:01 | TrueJournals | I don't have any suggestions to make it better really... just make it more like the vmware page, that page is very organized... |
| 23:06:26 | TrueJournals | Hooray! Done! |
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| 23:16:44 | Destiny | !tsuyoshi |
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| 23:24:25 | chrisjs169|afk | where can I get the arm-elf binaries? |
| 23:24:39 | Bagder | for what OS? |
| 23:25:02 | chrisjs169|afk | Linux - just remembered there's a script in the tools directory for it |
| 23:25:10 | Bagder | yes, rockboxdev.sh |
| 23:25:24 | chrisjs169|afk | yeah, thanks |
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| 23:26:24 | hostf4cekilla | anyone know where I can find a feature list? |
| 23:27:24 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox or even http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockbox#Features |
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| 23:35:46 | scorche | there is FeatureComparison as well |
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| 23:58:06 | linuxstb_ | hostf4cekilla: Or the manual... |
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