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| 00:03:16 | earHertz | nvram.bin is what? |
| 00:04:02 | bluebrother | the binary part of the configuration |
| 00:04:09 | earHertz | ew |
| 00:04:24 | bluebrother | i.e. that part that isn't "exported" to the cfg file, like resume position |
| 00:04:43 | bluebrother | some players have a nvram to save it, the other use that file |
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| 00:05:40 | linuxstb | earHertz: It's more like persistant status variables than settings. |
| 00:07:12 | earHertz | ah, better |
| 00:07:51 | earHertz | i recall there was great oppositiom to binary settings |
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| 00:08:58 | bluebrother | we had binary settings for years ;-) |
| 00:09:07 | bbatbbpc | is it possible to write a plugin which poweroff the ipod? |
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| 00:11:17 | earHertz | maybe i recall incorrectly |
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| 00:16:21 | linuxstb | bbatbbpc: Why would you want that? |
| 00:16:54 | earHertz | linuxstb: he's got a point. there's no easy way to turn the ipod off |
| 00:18:07 | bbatbbpc | i want a button to reboot it, because i don't like to press the poweroff button for such a long time |
| 00:18:08 | linuxstb | Huh? Just hold play/pause for a couple of seconds. |
| 00:18:48 | earHertz | really? |
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| 00:19:04 | earHertz | oh |
| 00:19:19 | linuxstb | That's been there since Rockbox first appeared on an ipod... |
| 00:19:36 | earHertz | yeah, "hold" presses make me nervous too |
| 00:19:53 | bbatbbpc | i think a reboot or a poweroff button would be fine |
| 00:19:54 | linuxstb | "nervous" ? |
| 00:19:57 | earHertz | because somethimes you get into the weird playlisyt menu |
| 00:20:14 | linuxstb | Then that's a bug |
| 00:20:30 | earHertz | i cannever remmebr what "hold" presses do, except selct/meu reboots |
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| 00:21:19 | earHertz | even when i owned an archos, the whole quickmenu thing I NEVEER liked |
| 00:21:57 | linuxstb | bbatbbpc: There's already a shutdown item in the main menu (for the Archos Player), so you could probably just enable it for the ipod if you wanted. |
| 00:22:21 | * | obo mutters about FS #6733 |
| 00:22:21 | bbatbbpc | realy? |
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| 00:24:53 | bbatbbpc | no there is no such a menu |
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| 00:25:10 | linuxstb | bbatbbpc: I've just enabled it - works fine... |
| 00:25:10 | obo | bbatbbpc: I've already done it - look at patch 6733 |
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| 00:25:26 | obo | or just comment out the existing ifdef |
| 00:26:06 | linuxstb | obo: What does your patch do, just add a reboot option as well? |
| 00:26:36 | obo | pretty much - creates a new sub-menu, and moves the sleep timer in there as well |
| 00:26:54 | linuxstb | You don't think they all belong in System? |
| 00:27:56 | obo | possibly - depends if any other options are needed (things like your patch to go straight into disk mode) |
| 00:28:20 | linuxstb | Does your patch work when Rockbox is running from flash? |
| 00:29:16 | obo | no idea - only a 5g to test on target with. But I can't think why it wouldn't... |
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| 00:30:13 | bbatbbpc | obo: i want a new button or menu: poweroff |
| 00:31:10 | obo | bbatbbpc: that patch adds a new menu power, with entries for the sleep timer, reboot and shutdown |
| 00:31:34 | obo | if you just want a shutdown entry, it's easy enough just to enable that on it's own for all targets - just a couple of #ifdefs to remove |
| 00:31:35 | bbatbbpc | obo: great, but i can't find the patch |
| 00:31:47 | linuxstb | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6733 |
| 00:32:25 | bbatbbpc | thx that is what i want |
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| 00:46:45 | chrisjs169 | Just tested 6733 on a sansa...shutdown works, but reboot doesn't |
| 00:48:18 | pixelma | anyone around who's got an H3x0 (with a fairly recent svn build) handy? ...and doesn't mind trying out something quickly. It could be that a paper clip is needed too (as a forum post implies) but the sim doesn't crash here so maybe not |
| 00:49:43 | obo | weird - AFAIK system-pp502x.c is used by the sansas... where system_reboot is defined for those targets. |
| 00:51:53 | linuxstb | It's defined, but maybe it doesn't work... |
| 00:51:53 | chrisjs169 | obo: I do have a few other patches though, but it patched it fine, so I don't think that's a problem. The screen turns off but the scrollwheel stays lit (looks manufaturing mode-ish) |
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| 00:54:13 | chrisjs169 | Any idea what I could do to make it work? |
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| 00:55:53 | obo | I'd bet on linuxstb being right - sounds like you're getting the effects of clean_shutdown clearing the screen, turning off the backlight etc |
| 00:57:16 | linuxstb | afaik, system_reboot is only used on the ipods to reboot into disk mode. That isn't implemented on the Sansa, so the reboot function probably hasn't been tested. |
| 00:57:33 | chrisjs169 | linuxstb: ah, ok |
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| 01:03:52 | Jeton | Hi, is anyone willing to enable this for Sansa? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7087 |
| 01:04:56 | linuxstb | Jeton: Which one - you have three requests there... |
| 01:05:27 | Jeton | scrollwheel scrolling for text |
| 01:06:16 | Jeton | "scroll line by line, or page scrolling." is a logical option it should have after that is being enabled, i think. |
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| 01:09:57 | chrisjs169 | linuxstb: would it be possible to add system_reboot to sansa, or would it be better to just remove that part of the patch? |
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| 01:11:36 | linuxstb | chrisjs169: Someone would need to work out how to reboot the Sansa. |
| 01:12:27 | chrisjs169 | linuxstb: Ok, so it'd be easier to just take out the reboot menu? |
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| 01:14:29 | pixelma | JdGordon: morning... you got an H3x0, right? |
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| 01:20:13 | bbatbbpc | does anyone know how to exec the powermenu? |
| 01:21:11 | JdGordon | pixelma: hey, yeah |
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| 01:21:33 | chrisjs169 | bbatbbpc: powermenu? |
| 01:22:00 | bbatbbpc | ww.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6733 |
| 01:22:27 | chrisjs169 | bbatbbpc: how to apply the patch? |
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| 01:24:00 | bbatbbpc | chiisjs169: patch -p0 < 2007.. i think |
| 01:24:09 | pixelma | JdGordon: could you test the official "boxes.wps" quickly for me? Maybe you'd need a paper clip but the sim doesn't crash - that's why I'm asking (someone posted in the forum that it would crash his player) |
| 01:24:38 | pixelma | I already spotted a code error, just wanted to make sure |
| 01:25:35 | JdGordon | the 220x176 version doesnt crash |
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| 01:25:40 | bbatbbpc | chrisjs169: how do you exec the shtudown? |
| 01:25:55 | JdGordon | looks pretty bad though... but doesnt crash |
| 01:26:21 | JdGordon | im not using svn though.... 070419 |
| 01:26:34 | chrisjs169 | bbatbbpc: On Sansa, just go to Power from the main menu, and select Shutdown |
| 01:26:47 | * | JdGordon is slack with updating the h300 :p |
| 01:27:00 | chrisjs169 | bbatbbpc: I'm guessing it'd be the same with the rest |
| 01:27:05 | linuxstb | pixelma: boxes looks fine on my ipod Color (also 220x176) if that helps... |
| 01:27:16 | pixelma | JdGordon: hehe, not my invention but I think it should be at least working if it's in svn... |
| 01:27:38 | bbatbbpc | chrisjs169: ohhh don't got any menu point, how do you apply the patch? |
| 01:28:15 | pixelma | thanks to both... linuxstb: won't look "right" at the end of the song though - watch the progress bar |
| 01:28:33 | chrisjs169 | bbatbbpc: from the rockbox source, type patch -p0 < [path to patch] then to the regular compile |
| 01:29:23 | bbatbbpc | chrisjs169: k , hmm i did that |
| 01:29:39 | bbatbbpc | chrisjs169: i will retry with the svn source |
| 01:29:55 | chrisjs169 | bbatbbpc: did you get any errors while patching? |
| 01:30:01 | pixelma | linuxstb: and thanks for pointing it out - I forgot that the 4g colour had the same resolution |
| 01:30:02 | bbatbbpc | chrisjs169: no |
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| 01:31:01 | chrisjs169 | bbatbbpc: weird - I guess it didn't compile properly or something |
| 01:31:29 | webguest89 | hi i would like to know what i can do with rockbox on my ipod??? |
| 01:31:35 | linuxstb | pixelma: Yes, there's a little problem at the end of the track... |
| 01:32:18 | chrisjs169 | webguest89: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison might explain some of the features |
| 01:32:23 | webguest89 | i wANT TO KNOW WHAT I CAN MAKE MY IPOD DO WITH ROCKBOX??? |
| 01:32:29 | linuxstb | webguest89: Play music... |
| 01:32:34 | webguest89 | I HAVE A IPOD VIDEO.. |
| 01:32:43 | JdGordon | and a caps lock apparently! |
| 01:33:11 | webguest89 | k thanks for the link |
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| 01:33:54 | chrisjs169 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox#iPod_4G_Color_Photo_Nano_or_Vide lists some more |
| 01:34:36 | linuxstb | And of course http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
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| 01:34:48 | xxbarrxx | hey |
| 01:34:51 | xxbarrxx | can someone help me |
| 01:34:53 | xxbarrxx | please |
| 01:35:10 | linuxstb | Just ask a question |
| 01:35:12 | xxbarrxx | i downloaded rokcbox installed it |
| 01:35:30 | webguest89 | i have another question. are people familiar with ipod linux?? which do youthink is better?? |
| 01:35:38 | xxbarrxx | and i downloaded a build that had the cd art and all the plugg ins |
| 01:35:40 | xxbarrxx | and it works |
| 01:35:53 | xxbarrxx | but it changes the menu and gets rid of the file browser |
| 01:36:09 | xxbarrxx | so i got the orginal .ipod from rockbox.org's build |
| 01:36:14 | xxbarrxx | and put it in |
| 01:36:18 | xxbarrxx | selected it |
| 01:36:22 | xxbarrxx | and im frozen |
| 01:36:24 | xxbarrxx | cant shut down |
| 01:36:27 | xxbarrxx | cant restart |
| 01:36:30 | xxbarrxx | no buttons work |
| 01:36:33 | xxbarrxx | please help |
| 01:36:40 | xxbarrxx | i have an apple 5g video 30gb |
| 01:36:42 | chrisjs169 | webguest89: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodLinux |
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| 01:36:52 | linuxstb | xxbarrxx: Please write longer sentences... |
| 01:36:53 | webguest89 | ok |
| 01:36:58 | xxbarrxx | ok |
| 01:37:02 | xxbarrxx | can anyone help me |
| 01:37:04 | xxbarrxx | shut it off |
| 01:37:07 | BHSPitMonkey | webguest89, they're separate entities, with different purposes and goals. that said, they coexist quite nicely on a single iPod. |
| 01:37:10 | xxbarrxx | or restart |
| 01:37:29 | xxbarrxx | can anyone help me |
| 01:37:34 | BHSPitMonkey | linuxstb, aren't you glad to be listened to |
| 01:37:44 | BHSPitMonkey | xxbarrxx, hold Menu and the Center button |
| 01:37:44 | TrueJournals | xxbarrxx: Hold down the menu and select buttons for a couple of seconds. |
| 01:37:44 | xxbarrxx | ohh yea sorry |
| 01:37:50 | xxbarrxx | ok |
| 01:37:51 | xxbarrxx | ill try |
| 01:38:04 | BHSPitMonkey | 5sec. I believe |
| 01:38:21 | xxbarrxx | thanks soo muchg |
| 01:38:23 | xxbarrxx | i tryed that |
| 01:38:26 | xxbarrxx | and nothing happened |
| 01:38:35 | TrueJournals | Seems like it should be four... four seconds is the standard "force shutdown" for computers... isn't it? |
| 01:38:40 | JdGordon | Bagder: not too late to get the hammer out is it? build.rockbox.org has stalled again |
| 01:38:41 | xxbarrxx | but i guess i didnt wait long enough |
| 01:38:48 | chrisjs169 | TrueJournals: I thought it was six... |
| 01:38:58 | TrueJournals | Maybe there is no standard then |
| 01:39:01 | * | TrueJournals shrugs |
| 01:39:12 | BHSPitMonkey | I remember on the HP we had in '97, it said 6s |
| 01:39:14 | linuxstb | TrueJournals: There are just lots of standards... |
| 01:39:28 | BHSPitMonkey | on my current home-made box I just hit the reset button |
| 01:39:33 | webguest89 | ok i have ipod linux and rockbox can i use both of them at the same time??? i aslo wanto to know if i can use thw downloadable wiki encyclopedia on rockbox??? |
| 01:39:37 | BHSPitMonkey | damn kernel panics. |
| 01:39:43 | TrueJournals | webguest89: at the same time? No |
| 01:39:46 | BHSPitMonkey | webguest89, uh, no, you can not. |
| 01:39:58 | webguest89 | ok |
| 01:40:12 | TrueJournals | webguest89: But, you can triple boot between rockbox, iPL, and the Apple Firmware |
| 01:40:19 | webguest89 | can i use the encyclopedia on rockbox though? |
| 01:40:25 | TrueJournals | Not currently |
| 01:40:33 | webguest89 | so no? |
| 01:40:43 | TrueJournals | Correct, no, you can not |
| 01:40:58 | scorche | jhMikeS: SYN |
| 01:41:09 | webguest89 | what is iPL?? oh and thanks fort the help. |
| 01:41:17 | xxbarrxx | hey, i have another question, can i add file browser back into my rockbox, i downloaded http://www.senab.co.uk/rockbox/default.asp but the file browser(or the thing that lets you look at all your music) i can get to it but there is like a special button combo you need to pres to get back to it |
| 01:41:18 | TrueJournals | webguest89: iPL = iPod Linux |
| 01:41:44 | xxbarrxx | i want to put "File browser" back on my main menu |
| 01:41:49 | webguest89 | what do u mean triple boot? |
| 01:42:06 | xxbarrxx | go on youtube they have many videos and tutorial on how to triple boot |
| 01:42:17 | webguest89 | oh thank you! |
| 01:42:20 | xxbarrxx | np |
| 01:42:26 | TrueJournals | webguest89: You can set it up so you can choose between iPL, rockbox, and the Apple Firmware when booting |
| 01:42:34 | xxbarrxx | whats iboy? |
| 01:42:52 | TrueJournals | It's a gameboy emulator for iPod Linux if I'm not mistaken... |
| 01:42:53 | chrisjs169 | iboy? |
| 01:42:54 | bbatbbpc | xxbarxx: ipodlinux game boy emulator |
| 01:43:04 | chrisjs169 | ok |
| 01:43:09 | xxbarrxx | can you put rockbox to sleep like you can with the standerd ipod firmware |
| 01:43:14 | TrueJournals | No |
| 01:43:20 | xxbarrxx | you have to shut it off |
| 01:43:26 | TrueJournals | Correct |
| 01:43:32 | xxbarrxx | thats kinda gay |
| 01:43:37 | TrueJournals | Why? |
| 01:43:48 | earHertz | ah, rockbox is finally running as i want it to |
| 01:43:50 | xxbarrxx | cus when im in school im always going on and off |
| 01:44:00 | webguest89 | just one more thing befor i leave. can i run ipod linux on my ipod video?? i have a 30GB iPod Video. i can seem to find ipod linux and download it? but i already have rockbox installed it's perfect! |
| 01:44:03 | xxbarrxx | and its a pain when i have to wait for a reboot |
| 01:44:06 | BHSPitMonkey | xxbarrxx, but rockbox boots fast, and it has a "Resume playback" item on the main screen. |
| 01:44:17 | xxbarrxx | ehh |
| 01:44:20 | TrueJournals | webguest89: Yes, you can... check outthe iPod Linux website (google is your friend) |
| 01:44:24 | BHSPitMonkey | rockbox boots in maybe 1s, from button press to menu. |
| 01:44:34 | TrueJournals | (I think so at least...) |
| 01:44:38 | BHSPitMonkey | faster than the default firmware resumes from hibernation. |
| 01:44:44 | xxbarrxx | not for me |
| 01:44:57 | xxbarrxx | mine goes into the apple logo for 30 seconds |
| 01:45:04 | linuxstb | xxbarrxx: But it sounds like you're not running the official build... |
| 01:45:15 | xxbarrxx | correct |
| 01:45:22 | BHSPitMonkey | webguest89, iPodLinux is considerably more difficult to install than rockbox. Ponder over if you really need it or not. |
| 01:45:28 | chrisjs169 | xxbarrxx: which is probably why... |
| 01:45:28 | xxbarrxx | can someone help me get the patchs into the original biult |
| 01:45:29 | linuxstb | If you see the apple logo for 30 seconds, then something is very wrong with the build you're using. |
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| 01:45:45 | xxbarrxx | because i have no knowlage of coding |
| 01:46:05 | xxbarrxx | and am clueless about patching rockbox so i can show album art, margins or something |
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| 01:46:19 | xxbarrxx | eww ohh boy |
| 01:46:24 | xxbarrxx | soemthing wrong |
| 01:47:16 | webguest89 | ok i tried Yahoo!, Msn, Ask Jeeves, Dogpile, Google and alot of other search engines!!! It makes me go crazy because i just cant seem to find ipod linux...i cant download it anywhere i just find articles about it... and i really want it for my ipod video!!! |
| 01:47:32 | linuxstb | webguest89: Tried ipodlinux.org ? |
| 01:47:33 | chrisjs169 | xxbarrxx: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
| 01:47:34 | xxbarrxx | why do you want it so bad?? |
| 01:47:36 | webguest89 | i tried Google a million times too!!! |
| 01:47:46 | webguest89 | Yes! |
| 01:47:54 | linuxstb | Then what's the problem? |
| 01:48:04 | xxbarrxx | maybe its just a universal |
| 01:48:06 | xxbarrxx | linuz |
| 01:48:08 | xxbarrxx | linux* |
| 01:48:10 | TrueJournals | webguest89: http://ipodlinux.org/Installer_2 |
| 01:48:13 | chrisjs169 | webguest89: http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:48:14 | xxbarrxx | there yea go |
| 01:48:18 | webguest89 | i cant find the download after reading that site countless times! |
| 01:48:28 | earHertz | what progress has ipodlinux made in he last 6 months |
| 01:48:30 | earHertz | ? |
| 01:48:32 | chrisjs169 | webguest89: http://www.ipodlinux.org/Downloads |
| 01:48:43 | scorche | earHertz: might be better off joining #ipodlinux |
| 01:48:54 | earHertz | heh ;) |
| 01:49:20 | ze | i see 2 different things on the front of ipodlinux.org at a quick glance that jump out at me as download links |
| 01:49:20 | webguest89 | can u please! I'm begging you. If you have a link to the download for iPL for my ipod video!!PLease give me that link PLEASE!!! |
| 01:49:36 | earHertz | a big bottleneck for us is that we use a debug routine to access the ipod screnn, and it's damned slow |
| 01:49:37 | ze | "Official Installer" under quick links, and "Downloads" in the navigation menu |
| 01:49:46 | chrisjs169 | FULL LINK: http://www.josh.sys-techs.com/installer/ipodlinux-installer-2.3w.zip |
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| 01:49:57 | xxbarrxx | HEY,can someone patch a rockbox build with the following patchs(Album Art,Scrolling Margins,and any other good ones) and upload it to rapidshare? |
| 01:50:00 | linuxstb | webguest89: Please visit #ipodlinux - you've already been given about 5 links and this is off-topic for #rockbox |
| 01:50:18 | webguest89 | THANK YOU!! |
| 01:50:22 | * | scorche is getting a headache |
| 01:50:33 | earHertz | xxbarrxx: there are several builds that may fit what you want in teh unsupported builds forum |
| 01:50:33 | * | linuxstb goes to #ipodlinux for some peace and quiet |
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| 01:50:44 | xxbarrxx | where is this |
| 01:50:48 | xxbarrxx | can you send link? |
| 01:50:51 | webguest89 | i finaly will finaly have ipod linux and rockbox for my ipod 5g |
| 01:51:01 | xxbarrxx | i want to do that to |
| 01:51:02 | scorche | linuxstb: go to #ipodlinux-dev...even more quiet |
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| 01:51:10 | linuxstb | scorche: :) |
| 01:51:23 | earHertz | xxbarrxx: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?board=36.0 |
| 01:51:29 | scorche | xxbarrxx: think about it...."unsupported builds forum" |
| 01:51:42 | scorche | so lets go to the forum, then the one that says unsupported builds.. |
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| 01:52:09 | earHertz | is the video pp5020 or pp5002? |
| 01:52:18 | scorche | earHertz: DeviceChart |
| 01:52:23 | xxbarrxx | that means their bad huh |
| 01:52:28 | linuxstb | pp5021 - which is allegedly register-compatible with the pp5020 |
| 01:52:47 | earHertz | thx |
| 01:52:51 | scorche | xxbarrxx: that means that if you have problems with them, you ask the build maker about them and not us |
| 01:53:09 | earHertz | and 5.5 is how compatible with 5/video? |
| 01:53:31 | linuxstb | Almost identical. Main difference is a different logical sector size on the disk. |
| 01:53:31 | earHertz | just hdd difference? |
| 01:53:36 | xxbarrxx | WAit a minuite, ona 30gig 5.5g ipod video its bad to duel boot |
| 01:54:01 | xxbarrxx | "- Dual booting rockbox & original firmware doesn't work for most people using the 30GB 5.5g iPods |
| 01:54:12 | linuxstb | earHertz: The sector-size difference is the only 5.5g specific code in Rockbox. |
| 01:54:13 | xxbarrxx | works for me |
| 01:54:15 | xxbarrxx | =) |
| 01:54:31 | linuxstb | earHertz: (detected at run-time) |
| 01:54:48 | earHertz | weird |
| 01:55:03 | linuxstb | xxbarrxx: I think those are old instructions from before the time of ipodpatcher |
| 01:55:12 | xxbarrxx | uh huh |
| 01:55:37 | webguest89 | ey ipod linu says that it cant fid my ipod? why? please help they cant help out in their website can you? |
| 01:55:53 | webguest89 | please? |
| 01:56:00 | linuxstb | webguest89: What channel are you in? |
| 01:56:17 | webguest89 | what do you mean? |
| 01:56:28 | xxbarrxx | How do you play super mario on an ipod video, do you need to have linux? |
| 01:56:39 | linuxstb | webguest89: I mean you're in a channel dedicated to talking about Rockbox... |
| 01:56:57 | webguest89 | ok but can you still help? |
| 01:57:02 | webguest89 | please? |
| 01:57:09 | scorche | webguest89: read the topic please |
| 01:57:11 | webguest89 | if i knew you i'de pay you!!! |
| 01:57:16 | scorche | at least the link about guidelines |
| 01:57:21 | xxbarrxx | How do you play super mario on an ipod video, do you need to have linux? |
| 01:57:24 | earHertz | webguest89: is no one in the ipodlinux chat? |
| 01:57:34 | scorche | xxbarrxx: we heard you the first time |
| 01:57:44 | scorche | earHertz: he hasnt tried |
| 01:57:44 | webguest89 | please give me that link? |
| 01:57:49 | linuxstb | webguest89: This channel is logged and developers read the logs to keep up with developments. That's why we don't want off-topic chat. |
| 01:57:53 | webguest89 | for the chat/ |
| 01:58:01 | earHertz | webguest89: ##ipodlinux |
| 01:58:06 | earHertz | or #ipodlinux |
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| 01:58:12 | xxbarrxx | no one knows how to do that |
| 01:58:21 | bbatbbpc | chrisjs169: now it works, cause in the past i extracted the wrong build |
| 01:58:28 | scorche | he wont be able to join, as he is using our webclient |
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| 01:58:35 | earHertz | xxbarrxx: you can play some video games on rockbox |
| 01:58:44 | earHertz | scorche: oh, whoops |
| 01:59:10 | Nico_P | pixelma: just saw your commit for the boxes wps... did it crash ? |
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| 01:59:13 | xxbarrxx | ohh |
| 01:59:50 | earHertz | MAME games, I think? |
| 02:00 |
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| 02:00:50 | linuxstb | earHertz: Not MAME itself, but there's a gameboy emulator, a pacman arcade machine emulator, a ZX Spectrum emulator, Doom plus lots of native games. |
| 02:00:58 | earHertz | is doom really playable on the ipod? |
| 02:01:26 | pixelma | Nico_P: nope - just fell back to the default on Archos (which still irritates me majorly). With the H300/Ipod Colour version the progress bar was drawn to the end of the line not to the specified end coordinate |
| 02:01:32 | xxbarrxx | can someone tell me how to do this http://youtube.com/watch?v=qdP0bP3jFAY |
| 02:01:34 | xxbarrxx | yes it is |
| 02:01:51 | Nico_P | pixelma: OK... normal behaviour thzn |
| 02:01:54 | Nico_P | then |
| 02:01:55 | earHertz | xxbarrxx: I'm on a slow connection. i'm not going to watch a video |
| 02:02:03 | xxbarrxx | you need to buy the game(or download =( and go into the registry and get the .wad file |
| 02:02:37 | earHertz | huh. I wonder if the games work betr with the cop |
| 02:02:44 | xxbarrxx | let me explaint he video then(its a kid who is using ipl loader(i think) and he is duel booting/triple booting linux,rockbox,and orgininal |
| 02:03:01 | xxbarrxx | doom plays like garbage |
| 02:03:10 | xxbarrxx | it really only good for the WOW factor |
| 02:03:15 | xxbarrxx | its not practicly |
| 02:03:19 | xxbarrxx | practical* |
| 02:03:56 | Nico_P | wow I'm watching that vid an iPL seems to be very long to boot |
| 02:04:07 | Jeton | has there been a patch about Dimming the scrollwheel on sansa (looks like i'm all scrollwheeled tonight ;) ) ? |
| 02:04:57 | xxbarrxx | HEY, another question, If i want to change my build do i have to unistall and reinstall or can i just change the whole .rockbox folder with the new one |
| 02:05:17 | TrueJournals | xxbarrxx: You can just replace the .rockbox folder |
| 02:05:24 | xxbarrxx | fo rizzile |
| 02:06:04 | pixelma | Nico_P: still I wonder why that wasn't discovered before - did the old system tolerate this much? (Or is it just because not many tried out boxes on Archos/Iriver remotes...) |
| 02:06:04 | xxbarrxx | this irc channel has been absolutly great |
| 02:06:07 | xxbarrxx | thanks to everyone |
| 02:07:28 | Nico_P | pixelma: actually I had discovered it once and that's what made me check for unclosed conditionals. At first the code only tolerated them before a newline and then I added more tolerance, which made people ask for zero tolerance |
| 02:07:57 | Soap | xxbarrxx: if you haven't updated for a while delete the "rockbox.<target>" file from the root of your player, as it is now only to be found _inside_ the .rockbox folder. |
| 02:08:04 | Nico_P | when I made the parser more strict, I had forgotten that some default WPSs had unclosed conds |
| 02:08:41 | earHertz | huh, the cop does make the games a bit smoother |
| 02:08:50 | xxbarrxx | uhm, i just updated yesterday |
| 02:08:54 | xxbarrxx | ami good |
| 02:08:56 | xxbarrxx | am i good* |
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| 02:09:15 | pixelma | hmm... stallen builds it seems |
| 02:09:16 | Soap | as long as you don't have an old file in the root of your player...;) |
| 02:09:29 | xxbarrxx | root |
| 02:09:31 | xxbarrxx | ? |
| 02:09:37 | Soap | bottom directory |
| 02:09:40 | xxbarrxx | ? |
| 02:09:44 | xxbarrxx | im new to this stuff |
| 02:09:52 | Soap | envision your directory structure as a tree |
| 02:09:52 | linuxstb | Soap: I thought it was the top... |
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| 02:10:14 | xxbarrxx | will anythign bad happen |
| 02:10:17 | Soap | the "trunk" or root directory is the one from which all others branch. |
| 02:10:20 | xxbarrxx | if i just replace the .rockbox folder |
| 02:10:23 | Soap | xxbarrxx: it's unneeded. |
| 02:10:31 | Soap | and on older bootloaders it will cause problems. |
| 02:10:42 | xxbarrxx | this is a new build |
| 02:10:46 | Soap | linuxstb: is my thinking upside down? |
| 02:10:53 | xxbarrxx | being replaced by a new build |
| 02:10:55 | xxbarrxx | am i good |
| 02:11:00 | xxbarrxx | or should i unistall |
| 02:11:04 | xxbarrxx | and then install |
| 02:11:07 | Soap | no no no need to uninstall |
| 02:11:13 | xxbarrxx | just replace |
| 02:11:14 | xxbarrxx | right |
| 02:11:18 | earHertz | those aardvark themes are pretty |
| 02:11:31 | linuxstb | Soap: I always think of going down the directory structure, so the root is the top... |
| 02:12:06 | Soap | ...people do say "top level" don't they... |
| 02:12:25 | pixelma | Nico_P: do you remember more .wps in svn that are "wrong"? Should one check some more? |
| 02:12:47 | Nico_P | pixelma: no, I think there weren't any others I didn't correct |
| 02:12:51 | xxbarrxx | ok |
| 02:13:15 | xxbarrxx | Can i just replace my .rockbox folder in my dirctory with my new .rockbox folder?YEs or No |
| 02:13:37 | TrueJournals | Yes |
| 02:13:37 | Soap | what would someone pay for a brand new Archos 10GB player? |
| 02:13:45 | xxbarrxx | thank you |
| 02:13:48 | xxbarrxx | simple answer |
| 02:14:13 | pixelma | Nico_P: ok. I just discovered that boxes didn't work accidentally... |
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| 02:15:06 | xxbarrxx | im replacing as i type |
| 02:15:15 | xxbarrxx | ima be pissed if i F***ed it up |
| 02:16:01 | xxbarrxx | here we go |
| 02:16:13 | earHertz | Soap: $50? |
| 02:16:14 | TrueJournals | xxbarrxx: The only real time you can mess it up is when installing the bootloader... |
| 02:16:21 | earHertz | ah, $30 |
| 02:16:23 | TrueJournals | and usually that's recoverable even |
| 02:16:37 | Soap | that all earHertz? |
| 02:16:41 | earHertz | well, players suck compared to recorders |
| 02:16:46 | xxbarrxx | gues what |
| 02:16:48 | Soap | how much for a recorder. |
| 02:16:52 | xxbarrxx | it boots in 2 seocnds |
| 02:16:55 | Soap | he's not being clear on which model it is. |
| 02:16:57 | xxbarrxx | its great |
| 02:17:16 | earHertz | I mean, the only people who would want one is an old skool rockbox coder |
| 02:17:38 | Soap | I don't think I'm going to be able to lowball this guy that low. |
| 02:17:47 | earHertz | i almost bought another one, but then, i thought, why? |
| 02:17:48 | Soap | He's fixated on the fact it's "new" |
| 02:17:55 | earHertz | why do you want one? |
| 02:18:05 | Soap | why not? |
| 02:18:06 | Soap | ;) |
| 02:18:12 | xxbarrxx | whats database |
| 02:18:19 | earHertz | you ever owned one? |
| 02:18:20 | Soap | perhaps use it as a prize for a future contest. |
| 02:18:22 | Soap | earHertz: nope. |
| 02:18:29 | earHertz | i owned a recorder |
| 02:18:51 | earHertz | hell, i paid $100 to get it repaired, and teh repaqir shop did absolutely nothinh |
| 02:19:03 | xxbarrxx | this is what ive been trying to get |
| 02:19:05 | xxbarrxx | database |
| 02:19:07 | xxbarrxx | thanks alot |
| 02:19:09 | earHertz | but compared to an ipod it's the suck |
| 02:19:22 | earHertz | and hard to code for, because the code space is so tiht |
| 02:19:27 | earHertz | so limted |
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| 02:21:55 | xxbarrxx | When i change my font , and when i restart will it be the same |
| 02:21:58 | xxbarrxx | of change |
| 02:22:07 | earHertz | xxbarrxx: yeah |
| 02:22:10 | Soap | xxbarrxx: if you cleanly shutdown it will stay. |
| 02:22:21 | xxbarrxx | yea |
| 02:22:27 | xxbarrxx | will it change or wont it |
| 02:22:42 | xxbarrxx | ohh my B |
| 02:22:47 | xxbarrxx | clean |
| 02:22:57 | xxbarrxx | holding play/pause right |
| 02:23:01 | Soap | yea |
| 02:23:07 | Soap | (assuming iPod) |
| 02:23:16 | xxbarrxx | yup yup |
| 02:23:30 | xxbarrxx | ipod 5.5g 30gb video |
| 02:23:33 | xxbarrxx | proud owner |
| 02:23:50 | earHertz | so many themes |
| 02:24:01 | xxbarrxx | for my ipod |
| 02:24:07 | xxbarrxx | ?> |
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| 02:24:32 | xxbarrxx | im out |
| 02:24:34 | xxbarrxx | ill ttyl |
| 02:24:35 | xxbarrxx | pce |
| 02:24:37 | xxbarrxx | thanksa gain |
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| 03:12:10 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: ping...did you happen to check that patch on a clean build? I've done some serious checking and issues don't seem to have to do with the lock itself. |
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| 03:24:53 | jhMikeS | hey, yielding in the pp i2c driver is BAAD especially with an i2c backlight called by interrupts...oy |
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| 03:29:47 | jhMikeS | oy the GPIO screen works now, heh |
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| 03:31:25 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Sorry, not yet. I'm busy with real work... |
| 03:32:06 | jhMikeS | it seems the i2c calls yield...I don't know why this mistake is made over and over again. |
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| 03:38:33 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: what are you doing real work for? stick to important stuff! :p |
| 03:39:06 | JdGor|uni | jhMikeS: whatcha got working? |
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| 03:39:28 | jhMikeS | the stickiness of the sansa is gone |
| 03:39:57 | jhMikeS | calling yield in the i2c driver messes some thing up bad |
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| 03:40:06 | JdGor|uni | awesome :) |
| 03:40:24 | * | JdGor|uni wishes he had the sansa cable here to test said changes |
| 03:40:46 | jhMikeS | I think that should just be remove from there for all targets because it allows another thread to mess up communications as well as interrupts |
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| 03:41:29 | jhMikeS | and interrupts can never use scheduler functions execept to wake a thread throught queue_post/send |
| 03:42:34 | jhMikeS | the driver mutexing exclusion needs to be fixed but this shows a big problem area |
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| 03:46:20 | Ishmael | how do i change themes on rockbox (gigabeat f40)? |
| 03:46:26 | JdGor|uni | austriancoder: re your hardware API proposal.. couldnt all this be done in the target tree? |
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| 03:46:51 | Ishmael | i went to settings, selected the theme (it said "Loading..."), and i restarted the player |
| 03:46:59 | Ishmael | but nothing changed |
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| 04:01:08 | TrueJournals | I know that a little bit ago there was a commit to prevent rockbox from loading WPSs that wouldn't function correctly... was this supposed to show an error if you tried to load one? |
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| 04:03:08 | TrueJournals | and is there a way to prevent this check from happening? |
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| 04:05:56 | Soap | it loads the default WPS upon failure, as for the second part of your question, I do not believe there is a way to bypas the behavior. |
| 04:06:35 | linuxstb | TrueJournals: The idea is that the parser is strict - to make sure WPSs comply with the specification. It wouldn't make any sense to have a "relaxed" version of the parser as well... |
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| 04:07:29 | TrueJournals | In that case... can you help me figure out what's wrong with this WPS code: http://www.pastebin.ca/465319 |
| 04:07:34 | TrueJournals | linuxstb: I figured... |
| 04:07:53 | Soap | there is a new command line toggle on the simulators to aid in debugging, FWIW. |
| 04:08:58 | * | TrueJournals sighs |
| 04:10:05 | linuxstb | TrueJournals: Sorry, I don't know the WPS syntax at all. But as Soap said, the "−−debugwps" option in the sim may help. |
| 04:10:26 | TrueJournals | Does someone build the sims so I don't have to build one? |
| 04:10:36 | Soap | the guys on the forums who are ace with WPS don't seem to hang out on IRC much. |
| 04:10:37 | linuxstb | rasher.dk/rockbox/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/ |
| 04:10:46 | TrueJournals | Thanks |
| 04:10:48 | Soap | there is a stock sim built every day |
| 04:10:54 | JdGor|uni | does rasher have the newer sims online? |
| 04:11:13 | Ishmael | okay, i guess it was a bad theme |
| 04:11:19 | linuxstb | JdGor|uni: I expect so - he was here a couple of days ago complaining that the builds were broken |
| 04:11:25 | JdGor|uni | seems he does... |
| 04:11:40 | Ishmael | i got another one working, but now i have black font on black background :( |
| 04:12:19 | linuxstb | Hold A as you boot, that will reset your settings. Or connect to your computer and delete or edit .rockbox/config.cfg |
| 04:12:32 | Ishmael | ah, thank you |
| 04:16:33 | TrueJournals | OK... perhaps someone can help me with the WPS debugger then... I got the error "The application or DLL O:\rockboxsiom\archos\_temp_codec0.dll is not a valid Windows image. Please check this against your installation diskette." Does this mean the first codec image in the WPS is referenced bad? |
| 04:17:08 | JdGor|uni | when do you get that error? |
| 04:17:17 | TrueJournals | When it loads the now playing screen |
| 04:17:41 | JdGor|uni | close the sim,. delete it then try again |
| 04:17:54 | TrueJournals | ok... |
| 04:18:18 | TrueJournals | Just happens again |
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| 04:19:12 | JdGor|uni | have you got the codec .rocks? and your trying to play a real music track? |
| 04:19:23 | JdGor|uni | we need a way to view the wps without playing music :p |
| 04:19:27 | TrueJournals | yes and yes... |
| 04:19:45 | linuxstb | TrueJournals: Have you got the rocks for the sim, or the rocks for a real device? |
| 04:19:56 | TrueJournals | ah, that's the problem |
| 04:19:59 | TrueJournals | duh |
| 04:21:52 | TrueJournals | OK, I run with −−debugwps and it doesn't do anything extra really... just loads the default WPS instead of the one I want |
| 04:22:07 | JdGor|uni | you need to run the .wps.... |
| 04:22:40 | TrueJournals | Through the simulator? |
| 04:22:54 | linuxstb | JdGor|uni: You mean load the .wps file directly, and not via a theme .cfg? |
| 04:22:56 | TrueJournals | In the sim, going to Files > .rockbox > wps > click on the wps I want? |
| 04:23:06 | TrueJournals | I did that... |
| 04:23:41 | JdGor|uni | linuxstb: either would do.... |
| 04:23:50 | JdGor|uni | TrueJournals: you didnt get any debug output? |
| 04:23:52 | TrueJournals | I tried both ways... |
| 04:24:03 | TrueJournals | Where am I supposed to be getting debug output? |
| 04:24:44 | JdGor|uni | stderr.txt or stdou.txt i tinhk |
| 04:24:49 | JdGor|uni | stdout.txt |
| 04:25:07 | TrueJournals | which would be in the same folder as rockboxui.exe? |
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| 04:26:28 | JdGor|uni | should be |
| 04:26:33 | TrueJournals | I wouldn't need to create this file, would I? (There's no stdout.txt or stderr.txt) |
| 04:26:50 | JdGor|uni | how are you running the sim? from the command prompt? |
| 04:26:55 | TrueJournals | yes |
| 04:27:14 | TrueJournals | command I'm using is rockboxui.exe −−debugwps −−zoom |
| 04:27:52 | JdGor|uni | do you get debug output in the command prompt? |
| 04:28:20 | TrueJournals | No, when I hit enter, it pops up the sim and gives me another prompt |
| 04:28:25 | JdGor|uni | you might have to close the sim for the files to be closed.. so you can view them |
| 04:29:16 | TrueJournals | I did rockboxui.exe −−debugwps −−zoom > test.txt and text.txt now has WPS debug mode enabled. and Window Zoom is 2 |
| 04:29:26 | TrueJournals | but no other text files created |
| 04:31:00 | TrueJournals | Well, I have to go... |
| 04:31:13 | TrueJournals | See ya... and thanks for the help... |
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| 05:33:55 | syntaxman | Anyone have any recommendations for replacing the battery in a 1st gen nano? |
| 05:34:56 | scorche | i have heard people have had good results with google |
| 05:36:32 | syntaxman | I saw links in google to people who would do it. I just like to have some clue as to who is good, and who is a rip-off :) |
| 05:36:45 | scorche | well, that is off-topic |
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| 05:37:47 | syntaxman | sorry. I /was/ trying to get rockbox installed on it. |
| 05:38:27 | webguest85 | first time on this . Hello |
| 05:38:30 | scorche | that is alright...this just isnt a general hardware help channel |
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| 06:15:00 | dankole | ? |
| 06:15:34 | dankole | how to i empty the recycle bin or whatever |
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| 06:21:51 | webguest71 | hello. i need some help. i've just installed rockbox to my 5th generation ipod according to the instructions on the rockbox site from my linux machine. AFter reloading, all I get is the silver apple. anyone there? |
| 06:31:14 | * | joshin is here but has a Gigabeat and Sansa so can only suggest that you recheck the manual to find what miniscule thing you did wrong. |
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| 06:33:21 | webguest71 | i'm doing that now |
| 06:34:01 | webguest71 | i got the rockbox bootloader to come on, it said 'failed checksum' |
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| 06:36:37 | jba | jhmikes: hey dude did you end up looking further into the ineffectual bass controls on gigabeat? |
| 06:37:17 | jhMikeS | jba: not yet...I'm backed up big time atm |
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| 06:39:00 | jba | jhMikeS: aah cool |
| 06:39:18 | jba | just thought i'd check in from work, now that you are experiencing it, it's peaked my interest in it again |
| 06:39:39 | jba | wonder if it's like the old rockbox lcd setting issue |
| 06:39:52 | jba | trying to store a 4bit number in 3 bits of word |
| 06:40:44 | jhMikeS | jba: I don't know, similar problems happen on sansa but randomly. Probably not the same reason though. |
| 06:41:24 | jba | hmm |
| 06:41:40 | jba | but you guys reckon software eq is good for bass? |
| 06:41:45 | jba | i wanted to avoid the battery drain |
| 06:43:27 | jhMikeS | It seems better than the tone controls atm |
| 06:43:54 | jba | i'll try that then |
| 06:44:01 | jba | catch you guys round |
| 06:45:40 | webguest71 | can anyone help me install to ipod from Linux? I've been over the instructions in the manual three times and don't see where I went wrong. |
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| 06:55:26 | webguest78 | i've read the installation instructions three times from the manual. can someone help me install rockbox to my 5g ipod from linux |
| 06:55:32 | webguest78 | pretty please? |
| 06:57:08 | kkurbjun | webguest, it sounds like your rockbox.ipod file is in the wrong place on your player |
| 06:57:48 | webguest78 | thanks. i unzipped it into the player, but its hidden |
| 06:58:05 | kkurbjun | yes, in linux .rockbox is a hidden folder |
| 06:58:18 | webguest78 | so that's no problem? |
| 06:58:36 | kkurbjun | it's meant to be hidden in linux |
| 06:58:49 | kkurbjun | so, no problem as long as you didn't rename it |
| 06:59:56 | webguest78 | nothing like that happening. But I think it's in the right place. It's in the root, along with such things as "calender', "I-pod control" etc. |
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| 07:00:03 | kkurbjun | it specifically needs to be in /.rockbox/rockbox.ipod (relative to your player's mount point) |
| 07:00:48 | webguest78 | so this is what I've got....IPOD/.rockbox |
| 07:00:54 | webguest78 | there's no rockbox.ipod |
| 07:01:13 | kkurbjun | inside .rockbox you should have rockbox.ipod |
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| 07:02:42 | webguest78 | there is a rockbox.ipod, but it's not a folder, it's a program |
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| 07:03:08 | kkurbjun | yes, it's a binary file, and it should be in .rockbox |
| 07:03:18 | webguest78 | it's there. check. |
| 07:03:25 | kkurbjun | is your player formatted as fat32? |
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| 07:05:01 | webguest78 | i haven't checked, but when i first set it up, i set it up on a windows machine, so i'm assuming... |
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| 07:05:48 | kkurbjun | probably is, try copying rockbox.ipod to / |
| 07:07:57 | webguest78 | gave it a shot, and still nothing but the silver apple |
| 07:12:31 | kkurbjun | I thought you said it was telling you invalid checksum? |
| 07:13:06 | webguest78 | when the hold key is on, yeah, if not, the apple |
| 07:13:25 | webguest78 | bad checksum |
| 07:13:36 | webguest78 | it is fat32 |
| 07:14:30 | kkurbjun | I'm not sure what's causing it right now, most people are asleap right now who have better experience with the ipods/installation from linux, I didn't think that you had to have hold on by default... |
| 07:15:02 | webguest78 | seems strange |
| 07:15:08 | webguest78 | thanks for the help |
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| 07:28:07 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: still around? |
| 07:30:54 | webguest78 | kkurbjun, started from scratch and voila, it worked. Thanks for your time. |
| 07:33:15 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: yes |
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| 07:33:49 | jhMikeS | btw, do we want a dual core atomic i2c driver or not? |
| 07:34:42 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: got a patch for the e200 that I can test out? |
| 07:35:10 | jhMikeS | Alrighty, I'll make one up |
| 07:35:52 | jhMikeS | Just the i2c right? The rest of my source tree is a mess right now. |
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| 07:43:36 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/MichaelSevakis?rev=1;filename=i2c_pp_no_yield.patch.txt |
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| 07:44:28 | amiconn | Bagder: Hanging build |
| 07:44:58 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: ta |
| 07:47:08 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: the wheel is usable while it buffers! :D awesome! |
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| 07:47:48 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Why not yield in the i2c driver? |
| 07:48:19 | amiconn | That pretty much makes one core stop while waiting for end of transfer... |
| 07:48:35 | kyleande | Hi there, can anyone point me to how to debug a wps? I am running the sansa uisimulator with the −−debugwps option, but I'm not sure where the information is exported to. |
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| 07:52:47 | jhMikeS | bad news to have thing interruptable there |
| 07:53:37 | amiconn | I never noticed any problems... ??? |
| 07:53:41 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: and you can actually use the ports screen |
| 07:54:18 | JdGordon | :) cool |
| 07:54:25 | jhMikeS | the e200 calls the i2c driver during interrupts as well |
| 07:54:43 | amiconn | Oh? |
| 07:54:51 | amiconn | Not nice.... is that necessary? |
| 07:55:11 | amiconn | And if it is... it should still yield when not called from an interrupt |
| 07:55:14 | jhMikeS | yes, backlight and oh, I forget |
| 07:55:38 | amiconn | Backlight isn't done from an interrupt, unless the e200 does it different than all other targets |
| 07:56:15 | amiconn | The archos recorders also use i2c for the backlight, that's why there is a thread that just gets messages from the backlight tick |
| 07:56:32 | amiconn | ...and then switches backlight in standard context |
| 07:57:19 | jhMikeS | right, even if not, then another thread getting in there messes things up ... I tracked it all down and just let it slip my mind once I finshed up |
| 07:57:33 | amiconn | :\ |
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| 07:57:48 | amiconn | On ipods this yield really is no problem at all |
| 07:58:03 | JdGordon | 3 more menu_init()'s in the core to go :) |
| 07:58:41 | amiconn | JdGordon: Was the increase with the new api for the debug menu really that massive? I did an experiment once, and got ~+200 bytes |
| 07:59:01 | jhMikeS | another problem with yield there is the same as the ATA driver |
| 07:59:23 | jhMikeS | where lower priority threads could lock out high priority ones |
| 07:59:42 | JdGordon | amiconn: i still have the diff with the proper way and it was something likke 500bytes on h300, and 1700 on sansa! |
| 07:59:51 | JdGordon | didnt check rec |
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| 08:00:07 | amiconn | I only checked sh targets |
| 08:00:53 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Bah, nasty priority scheduling again.... |
| 08:01:13 | JdGordon | well... imo its not even worth 200bytes... heck, I'd be for not even adding that menu to regular builds |
| 08:01:24 | jhMikeS | just have to be careful, maybe priority_yield and spinlocks would be better for that one too |
| 08:01:26 | JdGordon | the 50byte increase is about all I'd want to add for that menu |
| 08:01:46 | jhMikeS | if in fact an IRQ never touches it, i'll try that out |
| 08:02:41 | amiconn | Hmm, I wonder whether it's prossible to detect if the cpu is in an isr |
| 08:03:06 | amiconn | In that case it might be an idea to make yield() panic when called in isr context |
| 08:03:21 | jhMikeS | on cf, yes, on ARM, I've found nothing or I'd use it for core locking |
| 08:03:39 | amiconn | How would you do it on cf? |
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| 08:04:16 | jhMikeS | it's in the status register |
| 08:04:47 | jhMikeS | I was going to use it but would bloat set_irq_level too much because the bit would have to always be preserved |
| 08:06:30 | amiconn | Ah, the M bit |
| 08:07:44 | amiconn | The preserving would only be necessary if an isr calls set_irq_level(). Does it? |
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| 08:09:34 | jhMikeS | yes, all over the place |
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| 08:10:33 | jhMikeS | I'll also bet yielding in the i2c driver makes it wait a long time especially if something CPU intensive is running like a codec |
| 08:10:41 | amiconn | On arm you can figure out the mode from the mode bits |
| 08:11:07 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Yes, but that is desired behaviout |
| 08:11:12 | amiconn | *behaviour |
| 08:11:19 | amiconn | i2c can also take some time |
| 08:11:28 | jhMikeS | does that actually speed things up overall? |
| 08:12:20 | amiconn | Iirc lostlogic once solved problems with slow i2c to/from the ipod rtc |
| 08:12:27 | jhMikeS | ok |
| 08:13:11 | amiconn | Check out the M bits in the CPSR/SPSR ... |
| 08:13:20 | amiconn | (regarding modes on arm) |
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| 08:26:13 | * | jhMikeS seems to have fixed the remaining core lock problem...hmmm...storing the old irq level _before_ disabling them seems to be bad indeed :P |
| 08:28:34 | jhMikeS | flooding it with scroll messages would corrupt the statically saved previous level rather quickly |
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| 08:31:40 | amiconn | yup |
| 08:32:05 | amiconn | Ideally irq level read+change should be atomic |
| 08:33:30 | jhMikeS | it should be since an interrupt after a read will restore the register with the read value |
| 08:36:30 | jhMikeS | well, I can't seem to lock up either core now...should be solid now...and it's not aborting with any lock violations either |
| 08:36:45 | jhMikeS | but it never did do the second |
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| 08:38:48 | jhMikeS | oh, and there are two separate irq levels so it's not a problem with dual |
| 08:38:50 | amiconn | Bagder: ping... |
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| 08:40:08 | pondlife | I see a new month has started for the build server already... |
| 08:41:16 | JdGordon | pondlife: a day early though... |
| 08:41:41 | JdGordon | 2 actually... |
| 08:41:54 | amiconn | pondlife ? |
| 08:42:14 | pondlife | Bagder mentioned a while ago that builds fail after a monthly reboot. |
| 08:42:40 | pondlife | Normally on the 1st, but a bit early this time, by the look of it. |
| 08:42:57 | amiconn | Hmm, are you referring to the red or to the hanging build? |
| 08:43:06 | pondlife | The hanging build |
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| 09:04:50 | crop | JdGordon: hey |
| 09:05:00 | JdGordon | ho |
| 09:05:13 | petur | let's go? |
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| 09:05:47 | crop | JdGordon: after the core RB doesn't use the old menu API, can we delete the old API from the core and make it a plugin lib instead? |
| 09:06:02 | crop | JdGordon: would be a good thing IMO |
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| 09:06:45 | JdGordon | thats the plan |
| 09:06:48 | crop | JdGordon: and another question: replacing the old with the new menu API has reduced the bin size in the past IIRC. How did increase it in the last commit? |
| 09:07:25 | JdGordon | the big reduction happened more with removing all the sub menus and the million calls to set_option... |
| 09:07:33 | JdGordon | the latest round didnt really do that so much |
| 09:08:38 | amiconn | JdGordon: How would Iuse the new api in a plugin, btw? |
| 09:09:03 | amiconn | There are examples for using the new menu api itself, but excluding settings |
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| 09:09:10 | JdGordon | amiconn: iirc, 2 plugins use it already in two different ways |
| 09:09:29 | JdGordon | ah... settings dont work for the plugins yet im afraid |
| 09:09:56 | crop | JdGordon: what should PLAY do in the quick screen (I'm speaking about H120)? It doesn't do anything atm. Wouldbe good if it would leave the screen. |
| 09:10:21 | * | JdGordon doesnt know.. return to wps would be ok I guess.. |
| 09:11:45 | crop | My habit is that PLAY goes to WPS (if the music is plaing) from anywhere. But that's not the case for the quick screen. |
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| 09:13:48 | * | JdGordon slowly converting onplay.c |
| 09:14:28 | * | crop awaits banning the old menu API from the core |
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| 09:20:35 | JdGordon | am I right in thinking its impossible to open the wps context menu without a file being selected? |
| 09:21:34 | amiconn | Maybe we don't need to move the oldapi wrapper to the plugin lib as an intermediate step. Afaik there aren't that many problems using core menus |
| 09:22:13 | JdGordon | ? |
| 09:22:47 | amiconn | *that many plugins even |
| 09:24:21 | crop | amiconn: you mean we can leave the old API in place, convert the remaining plugins and then remove the old API alltogether? |
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| 09:24:34 | JdGordon | you rekon we should convert all the plugins before removing the wrappers? |
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| 09:24:55 | amiconn | I think that should be doable and save some work |
| 09:24:59 | jhMikeS | doing the priority_yield/spinlock thing in the i2c driver solves it too and to everyone's satisfaction :) |
| 09:25:09 | amiconn | (the work needed for moving the old api to the plugin lib) |
| 09:25:45 | amiconn | This move would require touching every plugin that uses it anyway |
| 09:25:57 | JdGordon | I was planning to just grab the old menu code from svn and copy it straight into the plugin lib.. so no real work |
| 09:26:36 | amiconn | All the calls would need to be changed (rb-> stripped) |
| 09:26:48 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: any chance on thorough commenting of the menu code? *G* Last time I look there was hardly a word there. |
| 09:27:02 | JdGordon | always a chance... |
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| 09:27:47 | JdGordon | once we can get rid of the old api i'm plannig onn trying to simplify that code anyway.. so comments will be part of that |
| 09:27:53 | pondlife | Any Ipod experts around? Is this a first-gen Nano... http://www.cancomuk.com/products/search.htm?code=57742C&Apple_iPod_nano_2Gb_White_%5BClearance_Item%5D_&pricesInc=1 |
| 09:31:29 | * | jhMikeS guesses he'll commit the improved driver sans priority inversion |
| 09:33:12 | jhMikeS | also, is there and reason that the return value from set_irq_level should be treated as anything but a cookie with no meaning to the caller? I can speed up the ARM one if it doesn't matter. The Coldfire one pretty much works that way anyway. |
| 09:39:33 | petur | afaik it returns the previous level? |
| 09:40:14 | jhMikeS | petur: in some sense...but it's really not important what the value is and long as it understands it as a parameter |
| 09:41:26 | petur | oldlevel = set_irq_level(newlevel); do stuff; set_irq_level(oldlevel); |
| 09:41:28 | jhMikeS | coldfire doesn't mask any bits off...it just takes/returns whatever other garbage is in %sr |
| 09:41:43 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 09:42:07 | petur | if that works it should be ok I guess |
| 09:42:16 | jhMikeS | yeah, so who cares what oldlevel represents |
| 09:42:26 | jhMikeS | other than the old level of course :P |
| 09:45:20 | scorche | pondlife: looks like one, yes |
| 09:45:26 | JdGordon | is it such a big deal if the onplay menu doesnt quit straight after coming out of one of its options? |
| 09:46:46 | * | jhMikeS doesn't even know where the onplay menu is |
| 09:46:56 | JdGordon | the context menus... |
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| 09:48:25 | jhMikeS | why's it called that instead of context_menu? |
| 09:49:12 | JdGordon | who knows :p |
| 09:49:26 | JdGordon | presumably from very very early on |
| 09:49:29 | jhMikeS | sounds like something that gets executed when you play something |
| 09:50:19 | jhMikeS | Should all menu options pin the menu? |
| 09:50:49 | JdGordon | pin the menu? |
| 09:50:56 | jhMikeS | keep it displayed |
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| 09:52:09 | jhMikeS | I'm not sure I'd mind it staying active |
| 09:52:12 | JdGordon | well, in svn, in the onplay menus, as soon as the context item exits your put back in the tree/wps... if I dont have to do this it makes life muche asier :) |
| 09:52:43 | jhMikeS | Actually selecting an item from Open With... should still close it :) |
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| 09:58:15 | pondlife | Hmm, Sansa e250 or Ipod Nano...? Any opinions? |
| 09:58:36 | JdGordon | pondlife: to buy? |
| 09:58:43 | pondlife | Yes, for Mrs Pondlife |
| 09:58:51 | pondlife | She wants a tiny player |
| 09:58:53 | jhMikeS | both? |
| 09:58:57 | scorche | pondlife: looks expensive though |
| 09:58:58 | JdGordon | sansa is fatter, but much bigger screen... |
| 09:59:08 | pondlife | Smaller is better. |
| 09:59:10 | JdGordon | the nano wheel is annoying imo |
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| 09:59:27 | pondlife | Must fit a smallish pocket |
| 09:59:33 | * | jhMikeS won't even make the obligatory joke about what pondlife said |
| 09:59:42 | scorche | about 156-ish just seems way too much imo |
| 09:59:46 | petur | rofl |
| 09:59:56 | pondlife | lol |
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| 10:00:04 | JdGordon | pondlife: both will fit in all but the smallest pockets |
| 10:00:21 | pondlife | OK, Sansa is looking more likely |
| 10:00:37 | pondlife | How's the UI responsiveness under Rockbox? |
| 10:00:50 | JdGordon | much better once jhMikeS commits |
| 10:01:03 | JdGordon | sound is still dodgey without a patch |
| 10:01:28 | pondlife | Is the OF ok? |
| 10:01:45 | JdGordon | its on par with ipod... |
| 10:02:06 | pondlife | So perfectly usable until the Rockbox sound is fixed. That'll do... |
| 10:02:27 | pondlife | I thought I'd like to get a second test DAP at the same time ;) |
| 10:05:14 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: already did :) |
| 10:05:25 | JdGordon | yay :) |
| 10:05:55 | pondlife | Now just need Bagder to kick the server... |
| 10:06:23 | jhMikeS | well, you can still update anyway |
| 10:07:58 | pondlife | I have |
| 10:08:05 | jhMikeS | the scrollwheel needs to trigger interrupts to work right but I've no clue atm how to set it up yet |
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| 10:20:57 | JdGordon | yay! finally got the onplay menu working correctly again... and didnt even have to add all that many hacks in :p |
| 10:24:34 | markun | JdGordon: can't you come up with a menu system which doesn't require hacks? |
| 10:25:09 | JdGordon | probably... but where would the fun in that be? |
| 10:25:21 | bluebrother | then he wouldn't be a hacker, would he? ;-) |
| 10:25:45 | JdGordon | june 22 is my last exam... then 4 weeks to do nothing but fix my bad code ;p |
| 10:25:52 | jhMikeS | rrr...why do I always see better optimizations _after_ staring at colored diffs? :P |
| 10:35:21 | markun | jhMikeS: I don't know what priority_yield does exactly, but is it something we should use in the gigabeat drivers as well? |
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| 10:37:34 | jhMikeS | markun: anytime you yield within a held lock it should be used or when speedy looping/checking is needed |
| 10:38:52 | markun | jhMikeS: what about the yield in ata-meg-fx.c for example? |
| 10:39:22 | jhMikeS | hmmm...lemme look |
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| 10:40:07 | markun | I don't know if any of the sleeps should be changed as well |
| 10:41:06 | GodEater | based on a recent (and apparently recurring) topic in the forums on the status of the 80GB iPod port - I've made an IpodEightyGB wiki page with rough details on the outstanding issues, and linked it from the IpodPort page. Hope everyone's happy with it. |
| 10:41:13 | jhMikeS | in copy_read_sectors, yes, it should be changed |
| 10:41:24 | jhMikeS | the sleeps are just fine I think |
| 10:42:15 | GodEater | Would also be nice if someone provided this link in the recently locked topic regarding the issue in the forums |
| 10:42:34 | markun | jhMikeS: in the i2c code we have a for loop for the delay.. do you think that should be changed? |
| 10:42:52 | amiconn | JdGordon: The context menu should always leave after seleting an option... not doing this would be annoying |
| 10:43:01 | markun | same for the sc606 driver |
| 10:43:14 | amiconn | jhMikeS: It's called onplay menu because of the way it was called in the beginning |
| 10:43:22 | jhMikeS | yes, those should be little assembly loops so that they're more accurate |
| 10:43:38 | jhMikeS | amiconn: when you pushed play in some context? |
| 10:43:48 | amiconn | Before the Ondio was supported by rockbox, there was no distinction between short and long presses, so many things needed combos |
| 10:44:03 | amiconn | The combo for the onplay menu was.... On+Play |
| 10:44:29 | JdGordon | amiconn: yeah ok... all fixed now |
| 10:44:47 | jhMikeS | ah, makes sense in the old days then...not like renaming is a chore to do |
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| 10:47:12 | amiconn | Bagder: ping...... |
| 10:50:08 | JdGordon | amiconn: its been down all day.. there isnt any rush getting it back up :p |
| 10:52:12 | amiconn | Hanging central server and none of the 3 admins around is annoying.... |
| 10:53:56 | jhMikeS | couldn't there be a restricted command to have others so authorized be able to give it a kick? |
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| 10:54:07 | JdGordon | it would be nice... |
| 10:57:05 | jhMikeS | if they could set up some sort of restricted admin if they're too afraid to have one of us goons have full access |
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| 11:01:50 | GodEater | jhMikeS: that's exacly what sudo is for :) |
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| 11:03:43 | jhMikeS | they should sudo up then |
| 11:05:10 | jhMikeS | markun: is there any kind of usec timer on the gigabeat? |
| 11:07:28 | markun | jhMikeS: not like the portalplayers |
| 11:07:47 | markun | could we use a normal timer for that or something? |
| 11:08:33 | jhMikeS | like what? not an interrupt timer for sure. I guess it's asm loops then if no usec timer. |
| 11:09:21 | jhMikeS | coldfire has a usec timer but I don't think we use it at all |
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| 11:13:37 | markun | jhMikeS: the RTC in the s3c2440 offers only seconds as the lowest time unit and I didn't find anything else |
| 11:14:05 | jhMikeS | ah, I think that's a little coarse even for i2c :) |
| 11:14:40 | amiconn | coldfire has an usec timer?? |
| 11:14:59 | crop | Ehm... sorry, what is a usec timer? |
| 11:15:22 | linuxstb | crop: A microsecond timer. Basically a hardware register that increments a million times a second. |
| 11:15:37 | jhMikeS | yeah, there's a counter in there |
| 11:16:07 | * | amiconn doesn't know about one |
| 11:16:18 | * | preglow neither |
| 11:16:28 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: I found a booboo in the patch I gave you and now I have no lock problems at all...wanna check it out? |
| 11:16:35 | crop | linuxstb: beginning with boot/power up? |
| 11:16:57 | * | jhMikeS will cite his source momentarily |
| 11:17:54 | linuxstb | crop: Yes |
| 11:18:51 | jhMikeS | ummm...section 11 in the UM |
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| 11:19:34 | jhMikeS | or no, there's something else there... |
| 11:19:56 | Nuru | Why |
| 11:20:21 | GodEater | that's a deep question |
| 11:20:31 | GodEater | I'm tempted to answer "Because" |
| 11:21:01 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Section 11 describes the general purpose timers... |
| 11:21:03 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Sure, I'll test another patch. |
| 11:21:04 | Nuru | )) Ok< Sorry for my english. What i need to do? |
| 11:21:18 | linuxstb | Nuru: What is your problem? |
| 11:21:21 | markun | Nuru: you need to ask your question (if you have one) |
| 11:21:38 | jhMikeS | amiconn: there's something else there but it's not a big section or anything, it's short duration though |
| 11:21:51 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: aright, one moment |
| 11:21:55 | Nuru | linuxstb, now, rockbox showing me that it's 12:Mc on clock, not 12:21 |
| 11:22:02 | Nuru | it's dont show minutes |
| 11:22:09 | bluebrother | what is "it"? |
| 11:22:30 | bluebrother | the clock on your pc? The sun? |
| 11:22:52 | markun | maybe he has a WPS with an old time syntax |
| 11:22:52 | Nuru | bluebrother, now on my pc 12:22 |
| 11:23:05 | Nuru | hm, maybe |
| 11:23:32 | bluebrother | possible. If he has problems with the clock display on the wps ;-) |
| 11:23:37 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The general purpose timers are quite different from the free-running usec timer on PP though... timers on coldfire need special handling to make them (nearly) independent of the cpu clock |
| 11:23:40 | Nuru | and how i can fix this? ) |
| 11:23:52 | bluebrother | by changing the wps tag to the new syntax |
| 11:24:07 | bluebrother | open the wps file with any text editor and change the tag. |
| 11:25:10 | Nuru | ok, thanks |
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| 11:25:57 | jhMikeS | amicon: I realize it's not identical in that sense but I've gotta find this thing again |
| 11:26:59 | amiconn | Well, I never found another thing than those 2 general purpose timers... |
| 11:27:17 | * | amiconn likes that the SH1 has 5 timers, not just 2 |
| 11:27:19 | Nuru | bluebrother, what is the name of minutes tag? |
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| 11:27:45 | Nuru | bluebrother, cH - hours tag |
| 11:27:57 | bluebrother | cM is minutes |
| 11:28:01 | bluebrother | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodmini2g/rockbox-buildap2.html#x14-234000B.14 |
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| 11:28:37 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/MichaelSevakis?rev=2;filename=core_lock.patch.txt |
| 11:30:48 | Nuru | bluebrother, strange, i changed line to %bl%%%ac%cH:cM%ar%?fc<MP1|MP2|MP3|PCM|Vorbis|FLAC|Musepack|AC3|WavPack|ALAC|AAC|Shorten|AIFF|SID|Unknown> and rockbox showing me 12:cM |
| 11:31:24 | Nuru | whoops |
| 11:31:31 | Nuru | i think i know my mistake |
| 11:32:17 | Nuru | Yeah, now works. Thanks |
| 11:38:39 | jhMikeS | yeah, I guess that is what I saw on coldfire |
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| 11:45:27 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: It froze about 10 seconds into Elephants Dream... |
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| 11:45:51 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Backlight still on, disk still spinning. |
| 11:46:58 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I'm compiling a clean SVN now. |
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| 11:49:41 | jhMikeS | hmmm... |
| 11:52:23 | jhMikeS | the lock itself is sound. it never brought up a complaint re: a reentry attempt or corruption so it must be some other issue |
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| 11:53:55 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: it was just playing with no interaction? |
| 11:54:44 | amiconn | Bagder: Ping......... |
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| 11:56:43 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I think so... I'm just testing clean SVN mpegplayer now, then I'll retest with only your patch applied. |
| 11:57:25 | JdGordon | amiconn: http://www.haxx.se/contact.html |
| 11:57:33 | bluebrother | amiconn: the increasing number of dots reminds me of this image: http://blog.beetlebum.de/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/router.jpg ;-) |
| 11:58:34 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Clean svn mpegplayer seems stable as a rock... |
| 11:59:56 | JdGordon | linuxstb: yes, but which rock? |
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| 12:00:10 | bluebrother | *.rock of course |
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| 12:00:15 | jhMikeS | ok |
| 12:00:27 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: no patch, right? |
| 12:01:01 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Yes, no patch. 100% clean svn |
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| 12:02:31 | jhMikeS | ok, now I'm thinking where something might be violating the changed code...which model iPod again? |
| 12:05:34 | linuxstb | Color/Photo |
| 12:05:56 | linuxstb | (it's the same device, Apple just changed the name halfway through its lifetime) |
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| 12:23:49 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: With your patch applied to a clean SVN, mpegplayer randomly freezes within the first 10-15 seconds (sometimes less), without me touching anything. |
| 12:24:57 | jhMikeS | very odd, on sansa I can't freeze it no matter what I try, it's just the same as svn |
| 12:25:50 | linuxstb | Welcome to the world of portalplayer... |
| 12:26:47 | jhMikeS | one of those things I could probably track down if I had a device but that's a tedious, long bunch of organized checks |
| 12:27:26 | linuxstb | How would you investigate it? |
| 12:28:34 | jhMikeS | well, what sort of lock is it? both cores just freeze immediately? one, then then other. on sansa, the problem would show up on one core and video would keep going |
| 12:29:07 | jhMikeS | but that was due to an instruction order |
| 12:29:26 | jhMikeS | If you play music, what happens? |
| 12:30:20 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: It works fine. |
| 12:30:43 | jhMikeS | interesting, cause you do have the main cop thread running |
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| 12:32:49 | jhMikeS | Well, first, I'd enable the extra checks and compare the C and ASM locks |
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| 12:38:04 | jhMikeS | Maybe before that, make sure yesterday's patch isn't the one applied :P |
| 12:38:55 | linuxstb | c42e1d09972ef9f93df997583b4c23a7 core_lock.patch.txt ? |
| 12:40:10 | Soap | pondlife: 78 pounds for a 2GB Nano is pricy |
| 12:40:52 | Soap | oh, scorche alrealy spoke up on that point. |
| 12:41:04 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: where are you picking that number from? |
| 12:41:42 | pondlife | Soap: Thanks. Any cheap places you can point me to.. for a first-gen Nano to the UK. |
| 12:42:18 | pondlife | I can only find 2nd gen ones. |
| 12:42:38 | pondlife | (Not second-hand.) |
| 12:44:20 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: It's the md5sum of the text file. |
| 12:45:08 | jhMikeS | though it was a hash, so you just run md5sum? |
| 12:45:23 | linuxstb | Yes, just "md5sum filename" |
| 12:45:33 | jhMikeS | c42e1d09972ef9f93df997583b4c23a7 |
| 12:45:39 | Soap | pondlife: lots of people /were/ selling them on ebay. |
| 12:45:47 | Soap | Not second hand, factory refurbushed. |
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| 12:47:56 | Soap | I paid $90 for my 4GB locally. |
| 12:48:36 | Soap | I know you Brits get screwed price-wise, but that price seems more appropriate for a 4GB than an 2. |
| 12:49:50 | jhMikeS | if I can't have dual thing work, I guess two slightly different versions of seeking will be made...nicer on single core |
| 12:53:12 | pondlife | Soap: Any easy factors to identify a 1st gen? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/iPOD-2GB-NANO-WHITE-RETAIL-BOXED-STOCK-COMPLETE_W0QQitemZ230123246845QQihZ013QQcategoryZ73839QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem looks like 2nd gen to me. |
| 12:53:25 | Soap | the first gen only came in black and white |
| 12:53:42 | Soap | there is no white 2nd gen, and the black 2nd gen is 8GB |
| 12:53:55 | pondlife | Aha, that's the answer I was after |
| 12:54:00 | Soap | The 2nd gen is all anodized aluminum like the Mini |
| 12:54:13 | pondlife | I assumed Black + White were freely available. |
| 12:54:34 | Soap | the 1st gen looks like a scaled-down video. Plastic front and shiny (stainless steel?) back. |
| 12:54:34 | pondlife | So any non-8GB black or white Nano will do. |
| 12:54:39 | Soap | aye |
| 12:54:53 | Soap | try ebay.com as well |
| 12:55:19 | Soap | I ship all electronics items to england and eurpoe trying to take advandage of price disparity. I can't believe I'm the only one. |
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| 13:00:31 | jhMikeS | I'd also verify separateness of IRQ levels for the chip... |
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| 13:04:58 | jhMikeS | oh, and make the main cop thread run really fast and call the scheduler alot and see if the player dies from that |
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| 13:13:18 | * | amiconn wonders what's up with the build system :/ |
| 13:13:36 | amiconn | It got kicked 2 times now, but still hangs. Bagder? |
| 13:14:53 | jhMikeS | yeah, that's a messed up build table, :\ |
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| 13:43:18 | jba | hey guys, what folder do i need to be in to run the tools/rockboxdev.sh script? |
| 13:43:36 | JdGordon | any you want |
| 13:43:40 | JdGordon | ~ would be best |
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| 13:44:53 | Ctcp | Ignored 6 channel CTCP requests in 24 minutes and 6 seconds at the last flood |
| 13:44:53 | * | JdGordon wishes he veriosn controlled his local mods :'( |
| 13:45:05 | JdGordon | I had it working before but somehow broke it |
| 13:45:38 | linuxstb | jba: I don't think it matters - the script has hard-coded (relative to $HOME) directories for working in. |
| 13:46:05 | jba | i get a patch prompt |
| 13:46:14 | jba | which normally means it can't find the file it's trying to patch |
| 13:47:49 | jba | ROCKBOXDEV: extracting binutils-2.16.1 in /root/build-rbdev |
| 13:47:49 | jba | tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory |
| 13:48:05 | linuxstb | Do you have bzip2 installed? |
| 13:48:16 | jba | linuxstb, this is the vmware dev image |
| 13:48:21 | jba | i assumed it would have everything |
| 13:48:39 | linuxstb | What happens if you just type "bzip2" at the prompt? |
| 13:48:46 | * | jba apt-get install bzip2 |
| 13:48:54 | markun | linuxstb: a little break down of the evil Ainol V1000: http://www.pconline.com.cn/digital/audio/mp4/mp4/0612/924573_2.html |
| 13:49:32 | jba | seems to have fixed it |
| 13:49:57 | linuxstb | jba: I thought the vmware image had the compilers already? |
| 13:50:12 | jba | old versoin of the image |
| 13:50:28 | jba | apparently the version of arm-elf is too old to build gigabeat current svn head |
| 13:50:52 | linuxstb | OK. Then you should make sure the prefix specified at the top of rockboxdev.sh is the same one used by vmware - so you overwrite the old compilers. |
| 13:51:53 | linuxstb | markun: Does it say what APE compression levels it supports? |
| 13:54:28 | jba | linuxstb, i checked /usr/local and it already had gcc stuff in there |
| 13:54:38 | jba | that was the prefix the .sh file was trying to write to |
| 13:54:44 | markun | linuxstb: no, I didn't see that anywhere |
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| 13:56:14 | amiconn | Magic error duplication in the build log... and storebror still has those broken binutils :( |
| 13:56:22 | webguest96 | Hello? Can someone please help me install this on a gigabeat? |
| 13:57:13 | webguest96 | A Toshiba gigabeat |
| 13:57:27 | webguest96 | Anyone there? Or is it just me here? |
| 13:57:41 | linuxstb | webguest96: Have you read the instructions here? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort#Installation_Instructions |
| 13:57:49 | webguest96 | YES |
| 13:57:58 | webguest96 | I have read that it does not help me |
| 13:58:04 | markun | webguest96: where did you get stuck? |
| 13:58:26 | markun | did you replace GBSYSTEM/FWIMG/FWIMG01.DAT with our own FWIMG01.DAT? |
| 13:59:00 | webguest96 | The what now? |
| 13:59:09 | markun | so what did you do? |
| 13:59:35 | linuxstb | webguest96: Which step of those instructions are you stuck on? |
| 13:59:39 | webguest96 | Sorry I have looked at this http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-gigabeatf.pdf but not http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort#Installation_Instructions |
| 13:59:49 | webguest96 | I will do what is says on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort#Installation_Instructions now |
| 13:59:52 | webguest96 | Thank you |
| 13:59:58 | markun | good luck |
| 14:00 |
| 14:00:31 | webguest96 | I will be back if I need any more help. Thank you and I think what you are doing is GREAT!!! :) |
| 14:01:27 | markun | thanks |
| 14:01:55 | * | jba considers downloading a new version of the vmware dev image |
| 14:02:03 | markun | :) |
| 14:02:11 | markun | jba: giving up so soon? ;) |
| 14:02:31 | jba | the rockboxdev.sh puts the files in /usr/local/arm-elf |
| 14:02:38 | jba | the old ones were in /usr/local/arm |
| 14:02:49 | jba | i've mad some folder renames and re - configured |
| 14:02:52 | jba | make is running now |
| 14:03:12 | jhMikeS | markun: what's the ATA interrupt on transfer complete used for? Where's the vector? |
| 14:03:26 | linuxstb | jba: It shouldn't be a problem - you just need to make sure you adjust your PATH appropriately. |
| 14:03:39 | markun | jhMikeS: don't know |
| 14:03:59 | jba | seems to have worked |
| 14:04:43 | markun | jhMikeS: it looks like it does nothing |
| 14:05:04 | jba | well the make claims to have worked |
| 14:05:06 | jba | should i test it? |
| 14:05:47 | jhMikeS | I'm wondering what's handling it...perhaps I should just disable it. where does it say about aligning DMA transfers? |
| 14:05:48 | markun | jhMikeS: in system-meg-fx.c |
| 14:06:26 | jba | hey guys what you working on ? |
| 14:06:29 | jhMikeS | That's a waste, dma0 is just empty |
| 14:06:45 | markun | from irq() it calls dma0() I guess, but that's just an empty function |
| 14:06:54 | markun | damn, you were faster :) |
| 14:06:55 | jhMikeS | That's useless |
| 14:07:07 | markun | yes, indeed. I wonder what it was supposed to do |
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| 14:07:38 | jhMikeS | nothing, it's just vectors and returns it looks like...I'll just try to not have an interrupt |
| 14:08:08 | Domonoky | has anyone tested my patch (FS #6893) for rbutil ? |
| 14:08:24 | Nico_P | Domonoky: I have |
| 14:08:26 | markun | I mean what was the guy who wrote it planning to do with the dma0() function |
| 14:08:38 | Domonoky | Nico_P: any comments ? |
| 14:08:47 | Nico_P | Domonoky: actually my current rbutil bin has this patch |
| 14:08:50 | Nico_P | works fine |
| 14:08:53 | Nico_P | I like it |
| 14:09:13 | Nico_P | Domonoky: I say "commit !" |
| 14:09:23 | Domonoky | :-) |
| 14:09:51 | Domonoky | i will comit it in a few days, so i can work on top of it ( when i find time) :-) |
| 14:11:23 | webguest96 | G'Day. I am back. :) |
| 14:11:34 | linuxstb | Domonoky: As rbutil is still in development, I don't think there's a problem if you just work with SVN instead of creating patches. i.e. it doesn't matter if you break things. |
| 14:11:42 | linuxstb | (IMO) |
| 14:12:27 | Domonoky | linuxstb: i will do this in the future :-) |
| 14:12:31 | webguest96 | I have done what http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort#Installation_Instructions says... but I don't see directory named rockbox.gigabeat |
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| 14:13:10 | webguest96 | Any ideas? |
| 14:13:17 | linuxstb | webguest96: There should a directory called ".rockbox" (not the DOT at the start), and inside that directory, a file called "rockbox.gigabeat" |
| 14:13:19 | jba | so i saw a screenshot of the menu's with color icons in them that were visible, is that possible with the gigabeat? |
| 14:13:47 | linuxstb | jba: Yes, custom icons work on all targets |
| 14:14:01 | jba | markun, jhMikeS: whoever fixed up bootloader usb mode, it works on my X30, first time. awsome |
| 14:14:05 | amiconn | linuxstb: really? ;) |
| 14:14:12 | jba | linuxstb, do I need to do anything to make it work on mine? |
| 14:14:16 | jba | or is it theme based? |
| 14:14:17 | webguest96 | linuxstb: OK, I see it is there. Thanks! So with this installed I can watch videos? |
| 14:14:36 | linuxstb | amiconn: They don't ? |
| 14:14:40 | Domonoky | jba: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IconSets |
| 14:14:50 | jba | thanks mate |
| 14:14:52 | amiconn | linuxstb: Hint: all _bitmap_ targets... |
| 14:15:18 | linuxstb | Did custom icons work on the Player before the change? |
| 14:15:29 | linuxstb | i.e. the ones inside viewers.config |
| 14:15:53 | jhMikeS | jba: not I, but I'm pleased to have that mode now |
| 14:15:54 | amiconn | nope |
| 14:16:06 | linuxstb | amiconn: Ah OK, I should stop assuming |
| 14:16:30 | jba | yeah it's impressive |
| 14:16:38 | amiconn | The fixed icons were, and are, built in. The dynamic icons where all represented with a mirrored question mark. Currently they have no icon at all |
| 14:17:26 | amiconn | s/where/were/ |
| 14:17:37 | jhMikeS | one thing's for sure, the interrupt can go |
| 14:18:21 | webguest96 | Well? |
| 14:18:27 | amiconn | There is an ata interrupt on the gigabeat? |
| 14:19:02 | jhMikeS | the dma transfer was using an interrupt on transfer complete that did nothing, so I removed it |
| 14:19:36 | amiconn | aha |
| 14:20:58 | JdGordon | woot! I'm finished comverting onplay.c and the diff is <100 bytes red :) |
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| 14:23:21 | JdGordon | anyone game enough to test it out? |
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| 14:24:42 | JdGordon | scorche is usually happy to play guienea pig? |
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| 14:26:09 | JdGordon | is the arm gcc really not optimzed? or is the menu code really bad on arm? |
| 14:26:20 | JdGordon | the diff is huge on the sansa and tiny on the h300? |
| 14:26:49 | amiconn | arm code tends to be larger than coldfire and sh1 code |
| 14:27:03 | amiconn | ...especially because we have to use long calls |
| 14:27:06 | JdGordon | the diff is 2kb compared to <100 |
| 14:27:50 | JdGordon | delta.. not diff |
| 14:28:05 | webguest96 | How do I install a theme? |
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| 14:30:30 | dionoea | webguest96: you unzip it on your device |
| 14:30:51 | webguest96 | To the main area then restart the gigabeat? |
| 14:32:05 | dionoea | yep, you unzip it to your player's root and then Select the theme in the rockbox settings menu |
| 14:32:31 | webguest96 | OK thanks |
| 14:32:38 | dionoea | (or maybe you unzip it in the .rockbox directory, depends if the zip already has a .rockbox dir or not) |
| 14:33:29 | JdGordon | ... last call for anyone wanting to make sure i didnt stuff the onplay menu up.... |
| 14:34:08 | webguest96 | Well which? |
| 14:34:12 | moos | JdGordon: hi, can you make an gigabeat build? |
| 14:34:36 | JdGordon | coming right u[ |
| 14:34:54 | webguest96 | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-gigabeatf.pdf |
| 14:35:22 | * | aliask is going crazy |
| 14:35:33 | JdGordon | hehe wassup aliask? |
| 14:35:35 | aliask | I can't figure out the whole mono bitmap thing... are they transparent by default? |
| 14:35:47 | webguest96 | http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-gigabeatf/rockbox.zip |
| 14:36:06 | JdGordon | aliask: yes, monos are |
| 14:36:30 | JdGordon | on 1bpp screens only (possibly.. i could be wrong) |
| 14:36:39 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: we gonna have it good for running dual core uber alles soon :) |
| 14:36:40 | moos | JdGordon: do I have to look at something particulary? |
| 14:36:46 | amiconn | aliask: Mono bitmaps aren't transparent by definition. They use the drawmode, foreground and background colour settings |
| 14:37:00 | moos | jhMikeS: nice :) |
| 14:37:09 | JdGordon | moos: try out the context menus.. if anythng is out of place let me know |
| 14:37:13 | JdGordon | I tihnk its al good... |
| 14:37:24 | aliask | amiconn: Aha! Any way to get it to explicitly draw black/white as per the image? |
| 14:37:28 | moos | Jd: ok |
| 14:38:38 | jhMikeS | moos: that was a question to him actually...:P Don't know if he was gonna track down stuff on the Photo/Video |
| 14:38:51 | amiconn | It's all explained in GraphicsAPI |
| 14:39:43 | aliask | I thought that was waaay out of date? |
| 14:39:53 | amiconn | ?? |
| 14:39:56 | aliask | Well, anyway, thanks for the pointers |
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| 14:41:19 | webguest96 | Where is the menu option to chage the theme? |
| 14:41:19 | moos | JdGordon: all seems good... |
| 14:41:58 | moos | JdGordon: I noticed that items doesn't use the same icon than before right? |
| 14:42:16 | moos | for playlist stuff for exemple |
| 14:42:42 | JdGordon | yeah, got suggestions for different icons? |
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| 14:42:55 | webguest67 | Hello all. I was wondering if someone could give me some quick help. I've just installed Rockbox on my 5G I-pod and for the life of me I can't figure out how to add music from my computer. I've looked through the manual and found nothing helpful. Will someone please explain this to me? |
| 14:43:12 | pixelma | JdGordon: do you have a patch? |
| 14:43:17 | moos | JdGordon: looks good unless you want creat new icon for it |
| 14:43:43 | moos | one thing messy |
| 14:43:44 | webguest96 | I have now installed it how do I play music? |
| 14:43:53 | moos | the playlist catalogue stuff |
| 14:43:59 | linuxstb | webguest67: You just copy the files to anywhere on your ipod's disk. |
| 14:44:20 | JdGordon | moos: yeah, i dont want to add any icons for it.. which is why i used the playlist ones |
| 14:44:24 | JdGordon | pixelma: 30sec.... |
| 14:44:25 | moos | no need to have the catalog for any files type |
| 14:44:31 | webguest96 | How do I get playback? It will not work! |
| 14:44:45 | webguest67 | linuxstb: I did that in three different places, updated the database and nothing doing. |
| 14:44:58 | webguest67 | should say, tried that in three different places |
| 14:45:07 | linuxstb | webguest67: Do the files work when you select them via the "Files" menu option? |
| 14:45:12 | moos | JdGordon: playlist menu doesn't have to be here for other files than music |
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| 14:46:11 | moos | now you have playlists stuff in context menu or any file type |
| 14:46:23 | webguest67 | linuxstb: the folder is there, but it's empty |
| 14:46:51 | moos | JdGordon: just this minor bug, all other things seems to working good |
| 14:46:57 | JdGordon | k, ta |
| 14:47:01 | moos | np |
| 14:47:24 | webguest96 | Please help |
| 14:49:12 | webguest67 | linuxstb: I can drag and drop the music anywhere I want on the ipod? |
| 14:49:24 | _vertic23 | yes! |
| 14:49:36 | _vertic23 | but I prefer having a directory called MUSIC or something ^^ |
| 14:49:46 | webguest67 | makes sense |
| 14:49:47 | webguest96 | Anyone? |
| 14:49:51 | _vertic23 | ...which I created by myself |
| 14:49:55 | _vertic23 | anyone does it like that ^^ |
| 14:50:01 | _vertic23 | ...EVERYone even |
| 14:50:08 | webguest67 | webguest96 what's your question |
| 14:50:09 | _vertic23 | where's your problem? |
| 14:50:18 | _vertic23 | oh, you all look same -g- |
| 14:50:59 | webguest67 | after i drop the music into the folder, i can update the database and voila, it's there, right? |
| 14:51:23 | JdGordon | hmm... wtf? I just upgraded the bl on my sisters nano and now its just hung on the bootscreen showing the apple logo? |
| 14:51:37 | webguest96 | nick/ Tim |
| 14:51:42 | webguest96 | did not work |
| 14:52:09 | webguest96 | nick/ Tim |
| 14:52:17 | markun | put the / in front of nick |
| 14:52:18 | JdGordon | /nick time |
| 14:52:25 | webguest96 | OK sorry |
| 14:53:00 | markun | still doesn't work? |
| 14:53:08 | webguest96 | webguest67: I can not get any playback!!! HELP please |
| 14:53:13 | moos | JdGordon: other thing, when call context menu for one song and that there is no playing runing, that's supposed to have just the insert; and no insert and insert shuffle |
| 14:53:30 | pixelma | moos: no |
| 14:53:35 | webguest96 | Hello? |
| 14:53:42 | markun | webguest96: what happens when you click on a file? |
| 14:53:48 | markun | mp3 for example |
| 14:54:01 | moos | pixelma: no what? |
| 14:54:15 | moos | that is a bug |
| 14:54:39 | linuxstb | webguest67: What kind of music files are you copying? mp3? |
| 14:54:47 | webguest67 | FLAC |
| 14:55:20 | webguest96 | Well I go Files then it has a list of the artist name i click that then it shows the albums from that artist then when I click the album name it goes blank and plays nothing |
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| 14:56:07 | linuxstb | webguest67: Are you saying that when you browse your ipod's disk from within Rockbox, nothing is shown, but when you browse it from your computer, the files are there? |
| 14:56:23 | markun | webguest96: what kind of files are you using? |
| 14:56:31 | markun | mp3? |
| 14:56:33 | markun | wma? |
| 14:57:04 | webguest96 | mp3, wma, licensed wma |
| 14:57:23 | webguest67 | linuxstb: I've just found them. Under Files, there was an empty folder and nothing under artist, but when i searched album i found them. |
| 14:57:27 | dionoea | wma and licensed wma won't play on rockbox |
| 14:57:31 | markun | webguest96: well, with rockbox you cannot play any kind of wma unfortunately |
| 14:57:39 | moos | +yet :) |
| 14:57:50 | markun | after the summer hopefully unlincensed wma |
| 14:57:51 | pixelma | moos: ah.. I thought you were talking about doing that on a folder - there you should have both options. On a file you only have "insert" atm, I misread |
| 14:58:18 | dionoea | is wma playback a SoC project? |
| 14:58:28 | markun | yes |
| 14:58:32 | moos | pixelma: yeap that what I meant with my horrible english, sorry :) |
| 14:58:42 | markun | webguest96: try one of the folders with mp3 |
| 14:58:45 | dionoea | nice (even though i don't have any wma music files) |
| 14:59:02 | moos | same here |
| 14:59:09 | dionoea | what other SoC projects is Google funding? |
| 14:59:33 | moos | MOB and AA |
| 14:59:38 | linuxstb | dionoea: http://code.google.com/soc/rockbox/about.html |
| 14:59:52 | moos | good projects |
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| 15:00:04 | JdGordon | moos: ok, thats the only 2 bugs? |
| 15:00:11 | dionoea | thanks |
| 15:00:27 | moos | jdGordon: the only ones I noticed at least ;) |
| 15:00:44 | markun | and TTS! |
| 15:00:45 | webguest67 | linuxstb: thanks for your time and help |
| 15:00:52 | webguest67 | what linux are you running? |
| 15:00:55 | webguest96 | Then why will it not play mp3s then? |
| 15:01:42 | markun | webguest96: I have no idea, do you get an error message or are the files invisible again? |
| 15:02:24 | * | JdGordon spotted another bug |
| 15:03:35 | markun | webguest96: if you hold the MENU buton you can set Show Files to "All", then at least you should see them |
| 15:04:31 | markun | but if you have a big wma collection rockbox might not be so interesting for you until we have a decoder for it |
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| 15:12:31 | webguest96 | markun: OK. done that. But the gigabeats file system names all the files as filename.mp3.SAT |
| 15:12:32 | JdGordon | pixelma: moos: spotted anythng else wrong? |
| 15:12:40 | webguest96 | So How do I get it to play? |
| 15:12:46 | webguest96 | filename.mp3.SAT |
| 15:13:12 | markun | ah, you can't play .SAT files |
| 15:13:14 | * | jhMikeS checks ebay for iPod photo/video because every problem requires an expandable DAP collection |
| 15:13:19 | markun | webguest96: do you have a cradle? |
| 15:13:38 | pixelma | JdGordon: just started testing... had to figure out first where to patch from ;) |
| 15:13:45 | JdGordon | sorry... -p1 |
| 15:14:13 | markun | webguest96: if you have the original files on your computer you can copy them directly to the Gigabeat to play |
| 15:14:33 | markun | if you don't you can transfer them back through the cradle and WMP mode |
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| 15:15:12 | pixelma | JdGordon: entering the main menu via the wps context menu (Ondio-specific) doesn't work. I just get back to the wps... |
| 15:15:21 | webguest96 | markun: no I do not have a cradle |
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| 15:15:57 | webguest96 | Sorry I do have one but I did not use it to transfer the songs orgionally |
| 15:16:15 | JdGordon | pixelma: ah sorry.. sent the diff before i fixed that... ill send another |
| 15:16:26 | markun | webguest96: let's chat in private, ok? |
| 15:16:28 | JdGordon | patch -p1 should do it |
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| 15:16:41 | moos | JdGordon: seems working fine if you ixed the 2 issues |
| 15:16:51 | webguest96 | OK |
| 15:16:53 | markun | webguest96: check the PM's I sent you |
| 15:18:19 | webguest96 | There now |
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| 15:23:28 | JdGordon | pixelma: ? |
| 15:24:14 | Rincewind | JdGordon: thanks for your help last night, I got it working in the end. |
| 15:24:27 | JdGordon | I just commented on the patch |
| 15:24:58 | Rincewind | ok, l'll fix that |
| 15:25:43 | JdGordon | and the logf in powermgmt.c |
| 15:26:01 | Rincewind | yes, that can be taken out again |
| 15:26:51 | JdGordon | hmm... actually... set_runtime_scale() is in settings_apply() right? |
| 15:27:13 | Rincewind | yes |
| 15:27:23 | JdGordon | so the menu item callback isnt needed.. |
| 15:27:26 | Rincewind | the INT_SETTING(..) is already at the end of the struct |
| 15:27:46 | JdGordon | settings.h... |
| 15:28:00 | Rincewind | settings_apply() is called everytime a setting is changed? |
| 15:28:01 | JdGordon | settings_list.c can be anywhere, but settings.h has to be at the end |
| 15:28:07 | JdGordon | yes |
| 15:28:33 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: If you're looking for an ipod, the mini (1st gen), 4th Gen Greyscale and Photo/Color are the ones that prove the most troublesome (the PP5020 ones)... |
| 15:28:38 | JdGordon | actually... you can just use set_runtime_scale for the callback in settins_list.c |
| 15:28:41 | pixelma | JdGordon: I still can't reach the main menu via the context menu |
| 15:28:50 | JdGordon | bugger |
| 15:29:13 | * | JdGordon gets the ondio sim built |
| 15:29:38 | Rincewind | JdGordon: I tried that first, but then the setting wasn't loaded at startup (or something else messed up) |
| 15:30:06 | JdGordon | keep the call in settings_apply(), and use it for the settings_list.c callback and it should work |
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| 15:30:25 | Rincewind | ok |
| 15:30:42 | JdGordon | pixelma: from the tree or wps? |
| 15:30:46 | JdGordon | tree seems to work here |
| 15:30:48 | pixelma | from the wps |
| 15:31:22 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: well, don't know...are you going to try and see if you can track anything down? It's gotta just be some little something...it feels like that. |
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| 15:32:27 | pixelma | first "long mode" -> wps context menu, from there another long press of "mode" should bring up the main menu (and it works in svn) |
| 15:33:20 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: also, if someone has a supposedly non-troublesome iPod, I'd be curious to have it checked |
| 15:34:05 | JdGordon | pixelma: does the ondio not have a context menu in the tree? |
| 15:34:22 | JdGordon | ah, hold right |
| 15:35:14 | JdGordon | all fixed |
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| 15:38:10 | moos | JdGordon: then go ahead and commit ! |
| 15:38:29 | JdGordon | ... pixelma, anything else odd? |
| 15:38:40 | * | JdGordon doesnt pay enough attention to svn to do this properly :p |
| 15:39:15 | moos | hehe : ) |
| 15:40:26 | JdGordon | 3 .... |
| 15:40:27 | JdGordon | 2.... |
| 15:40:30 | JdGordon | 1.... |
| 15:40:39 | * | aliask holds his breath |
| 15:41:21 | pixelma | JdGordon: haven't noticed another problem... |
| 15:41:45 | JdGordon | and away it goes :) |
| 15:48:08 | * | JdGordon 's next commit will be a nice green one :) |
| 15:48:46 | Rincewind | JdGordon: I uploaded a new version |
| 15:50:25 | JdGordon | 2.5 months to completly get rid of the old api... is that good or bad? |
| 15:50:30 | JdGordon | Rincewind: ok, ill have a look |
| 15:51:20 | JdGordon | looks much better :) |
| 15:51:34 | JdGordon | I dont know what the others think of the idea though... |
| 15:51:59 | phooze | Newbie question: Is it possible to load a different FNT file (say, a larger font) for a plugin than is used as the system's default setting? Is this in the plugin API somewhere? |
| 15:52:26 | Rincewind | I only tested it on my h120, and I think it needs a few #defines for the sims, but I don't know where, because the whole powermgmt.c for the sims is a fake... |
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| 15:54:33 | amiconn | ehum.. |
| 15:54:50 | amiconn | JdGordon: Didn't you say +2KB for pp? Look at the delta line... |
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| 15:55:51 | JdGordon | ok.. apparently my maths sux :p |
| 15:56:37 | JdGordon | green on arm and red everywhere else? wierd |
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| 15:57:37 | markun | yes, what a big difference.. |
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| 15:59:37 | JdGordon | well, that delta is alot smaller than I was scared it would be yesterday, and the next commit should bring that all back to 0 |
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| 16:11:26 | moos | JdGordon: still playlist items in the context menu when you call it for files that are'nt music |
| 16:12:14 | JdGordon | playlist cataloge only.. which is in svn also |
| 16:12:39 | moos | and playlist too |
| 16:13:18 | moos | playlist option for any file |
| 16:13:22 | moos | or dir |
| 16:13:48 | moos | no just cataloge sorry :) |
| 16:14:27 | JdGordon | i just had a look at old svn and all the playlist options are there on non music files... so no big deal... better things to fix atm |
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| 16:15:12 | moos | that could be better if playlist options (both) isn't here for a non music file |
| 16:18:46 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I've just tried your core locking patch on an ipod video, and mpegplayer is working fine. |
| 16:24:20 | lex | linuxstb: 5Gs play videos fine? :o |
| 16:24:24 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: I thought that's what you tried it on |
| 16:25:46 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: No, a Color/Photo is the problem one. |
| 16:26:01 | linuxstb | lex: Yes, my 176x128 video played perfectly. |
| 16:26:12 | jhMikeS | right, heh |
| 16:26:18 | lex | :o |
| 16:26:24 | lex | but what about a video like 320x240? :) |
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| 16:27:50 | * | jhMikeS was messing around with his Gigabeat having no clue and is getting "System Error" (he went beyond the "No System Found" which will hit USB mode). crud. |
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| 16:28:46 | markun | jhMikeS: your first hot-swap? |
| 16:28:50 | markun | :) |
| 16:29:16 | Tim1 | Can someone please help with video playback on a gigabeat? |
| 16:29:31 | jhMikeS | ummm...stupdly messing around renaming FWIMG01.DAT.ORIG back to FWIMG01.DAT |
| 16:29:45 | Tim1 | Can someone please help with video playback on a gigabeat? |
| 16:29:46 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I hope you have a tiny screwdriver |
| 16:29:57 | linuxstb | Tim1: What's your problem? |
| 16:30:01 | jhMikeS | I have some very tiny screwdrivers |
| 16:30:31 | JdGordon | setmargins() doesnt seem to be working :'( |
| 16:30:41 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: The recovery process is on the GigabeatFXPort wiki page... |
| 16:30:48 | Tim1 | Some .mpg files it does not like and just displays a black screen and freezs. What 2 do? |
| 16:31:07 | linuxstb | Do those files play fine on a PC video player/ |
| 16:31:08 | linuxstb | ? |
| 16:31:20 | Tim1 | The files do play on a PC |
| 16:31:49 | markun | welcome back Tim1 :) |
| 16:31:54 | linuxstb | How did you encode them? |
| 16:32:13 | Tim1 | I did not they were just there on my computer |
| 16:32:34 | Tim1 | On some videos it also says something about "stuffing" |
| 16:32:35 | jhMikeS | yeah, I had a feeling I'd have to fake it out |
| 16:33:00 | linuxstb | Tim1: Do they meet mpegplayer's requirements? They're on the PluginMpegplayer wiki page. The most likely reason is the resolution is too large. |
| 16:33:38 | Tim1 | Oh OK |
| 16:34:04 | Tim1 | But is there any way of geting out of it when it crashes? |
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| 16:34:15 | jhMikeS | hehe...I think I just needed an excuse to open it up |
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| 16:35:16 | linuxstb | Tim1: If it crashes then you'll need to toggle the battery switch |
| 16:35:41 | Tim1 | Does that hurt the hard drive? |
| 16:36:50 | Tim1 | (toggling the battery switch) |
| 16:37:11 | linuxstb | No idea, but I've done it often enough. |
| 16:38:19 | Tim1 | Hmmm |
| 16:39:06 | Tim1 | So thats a yes or no? |
| 16:39:26 | linuxstb | That's a "no idea" |
| 16:40:05 | Tim1 | OK Kool no worries |
| 16:40:44 | Tim1 | So you can use VLC to get them to the right size? |
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| 16:44:06 | * | jhMikeS 's batt switch is showing wear no thanks to mpegplayer |
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| 16:46:53 | Tim1 | So you can use VLC to get them to the right size? |
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| 16:50:44 | Tim1 | Anyone answering? |
| 16:50:49 | Tim1 | = NO! |
| 16:51:55 | linuxstb | Tim1: You can use any mpeg encoder - vlc is one option. |
| 16:52:16 | amiconn | Nico_P: Umm, do we need to care about duplicate strings? The wps buffer is static... |
| 16:53:20 | Nico_P | amiconn: it artificially allows more strings |
| 16:53:32 | Nico_P | without changing the buffer size |
| 16:54:06 | * | amiconn can't imagine there are many duplicates in a wps |
| 16:54:12 | amiconn | ..if any at all.. |
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| 16:55:13 | Nico_P | amiconn: there are duplicates in most WPSs that use a few strings (the best example being the space) |
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| 16:56:09 | Nico_P | and there was a forum topic with someone wanting to write a WPS with a hell of a lot of strings, duplicated in two sublines |
| 16:56:35 | Nico_P | so that's waht reminded me of this idea I had about taking care of duplicates |
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| 16:58:02 | Tim1 | where do you install VLC-transcode.bat |
| 16:58:13 | Nico_P | amiconn: you think it's overkill ? |
| 16:58:51 | amiconn | Referencing a space takes more memory than the space itself... |
| 16:59:47 | markun | linuxstb: what can you answer to this: "So how long before they finally decide the H3xx release is stable?" |
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| 17:00:08 | markun | Tim1: I think you can put it anywhere you want |
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| 17:01:36 | Nico_P | amiconn: still, it's better to have one copy of the space in memory and 10 refs to that copy than 10 copies and 10 different refs |
| 17:02:28 | Nico_P | and in many WPSs, it's more than just the space, when there are a few conditionals and sublines involved |
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| 17:03:27 | amiconn | Nico_P: 1x space + 10x reference: 41 bytes. 10x space: 10 bytes. So what? |
| 17:04:08 | Nico_P | amiconn: even with the 10 spaces, we still have 10 references... and also we have 10 times '\0' |
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| 17:05:09 | amiconn | hmm... ??? |
| 17:05:25 | Nico_P | amiconn: each string token has as its value the index of the string in an array of pointers |
| 17:06:01 | Nico_P | the pointers point to various strings in the string buffer |
| 17:06:07 | amiconn | Ah, that token stuff....... |
| 17:08:00 | Nico_P | basically my change is that if I already have a space as string n°1, if there is another space, I'll make the token point to string n°1 instead of making another copy of the space in the string buffer and making the token point to it |
| 17:10:15 | jhMikeS | she's alive! |
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| 17:21:44 | markun | jhMikeS: easy, wasn't it? :) |
| 17:22:06 | markun | well, with our own bootloader in flash we shouldn't have problems |
| 17:22:21 | jhMikeS | markun: quite. what a ridiculous thing not to have it do usb upon any error |
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| 17:25:57 | markun | jhMikeS: we looked for a long time but didn't find any key-combo to enter USB mode |
| 17:26:34 | jhMikeS | markun: neither did I :) |
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| 17:30:28 | jhMikeS | I'm sure there will be problems on the initial flashings...not something I have the gaul to try without being able to reflash somehow |
| 17:31:14 | * | moos is waiting for bootbox, gigabeat will be one of the better box the day that will happen |
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| 17:34:09 | jhMikeS | btw, I had to steal the connection from windows using the vmware menu and then release it back to get it to work. I didn't have a drive right away. |
| 17:34:54 | jhMikeS | well, I had a drive letter but no volume I mean |
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| 17:55:41 | My_Sic | does exist a command to know all patch actually applied in a rockbox dir ? |
| 17:56:05 | Rincewind | My_Sic: that is not possible |
| 17:56:09 | My_Sic | ok |
| 17:56:10 | My_Sic | thanks |
| 17:56:20 | Rincewind | but you can do "svn diff -> all.patch" |
| 17:56:38 | Rincewind | with this you get a patch with all the changes that you made to the source |
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| 18:04:44 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: so the color and video have PP5020 but the video ran ok...odder still...or did you say one was a PP5021 actually? |
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| 18:08:53 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The color has PP5020, the video has PP5021 |
| 18:09:14 | jhMikeS | ok |
| 18:10:02 | jhMikeS | btw, what would ever cause the ATA driver to have to read unaligned data if it only gets sent sectors via the cache? |
| 18:11:38 | amiconn | ? |
| 18:12:26 | jhMikeS | It has code to look for odd alignment in the ATA driver...I thought only complete sectors were transferred |
| 18:12:37 | jhMikeS | Why would that be unaligned ever? |
| 18:13:12 | amiconn | The complete sectors can very well be unaligned in memory |
| 18:13:53 | amiconn | If the file in question is loaded to an odd start addrress, all whole-sector transfers for that file will be unaligned |
| 18:15:12 | jhMikeS | that just sounds weird |
| 18:15:46 | amiconn | Why? |
| 18:15:58 | amiconn | It's very obvious and straightforward... |
| 18:17:12 | jhMikeS | what's the cache in memory have to do with "start address"? |
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| 18:17:32 | * | amiconn wonders what cache jhMikeS is talking about ??? |
| 18:17:52 | * | jhMikeS will read the code and comment more later :) |
| 18:18:31 | amiconn | If you read large portions of a file, all possible whole-sector transfers go straight from disk to final memory location (or vice versa) |
| 18:18:58 | amiconn | Only transfers which do *dot* cover a whole sector are transferred to/from the sector cache in the fat driver |
| 18:20:11 | amiconn | s/dot/not/ |
| 18:20:13 | jhMikeS | ah yes, makes good sense to do that |
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| 18:20:14 | amiconn | exactly |
| 18:20:28 | amiconn | The rockbox ata driver works like this for ages... |
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| 18:20:36 | jhMikeS | and hence good sense to optimize that code |
| 18:21:04 | amiconn | The odd alignment transfers are optimized in svn... for all 3 cpu architectures |
| 18:21:40 | jhMikeS | it's just the C code in the megfx driver right now |
| 18:21:42 | preglow | merbanan: any success in pinging the wma guy? |
| 18:21:49 | amiconn | It might be that some of these optimisations aren't used on the gigabeat though, iirc there where some problems |
| 18:21:56 | amiconn | Best to ask markun about that |
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| 18:22:52 | amiconn | Take a look at firmware/target/arm/ata-as-arm.S |
| 18:22:53 | jhMikeS | I asked about the odd alignment stuff and he didn't comment |
| 18:23:08 | amiconn | This has asm loops for even and odd alignment |
| 18:23:17 | amiconn | They work like a charm on pp |
| 18:23:34 | markun | I know nothing about that code |
| 18:23:54 | amiconn | (not sure about the 5002 - there's a comment saying there are problems) |
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| 18:24:44 | jhMikeS | The even alignment is a DMA transfer |
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| 18:24:51 | amiconn | yes |
| 18:24:56 | amiconn | That's gigabeat specific |
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| 18:25:55 | jhMikeS | The CPU datasheet says nothing about an alignment issue with DMA but it can do bytes too |
| 18:26:27 | amiconn | It's very likely that you can't use odd alignment with ata dma |
| 18:27:04 | amiconn | The dma engine will very probably switch to bytes with odd alignment, and the ata port must be fed with halfwords at a time |
| 18:29:02 | amiconn | Hmm... iirc markun said that the optimized transfer didn't speed up anything on gigabeat |
| 18:29:04 | jhMikeS | yeah, hmmm...the asm has code for both though, right/ |
| 18:29:31 | amiconn | Probably the cpu is so much faster than the ata interface that it simply doesn't matter |
| 18:29:52 | jhMikeS | it takes about 6secs for a 27MB buffer fill |
| 18:31:17 | jhMikeS | and I'm really not sure how that compares to others since I never even casually timed them |
| 18:32:29 | markun | amiconn: at least it doesn't speed up ATA transfers |
| 18:32:44 | amiconn | If those 6 seconds are excluding the spinup, it's indeed a bit slow |
| 18:32:49 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 18:32:50 | markun | but maybe there is more time left for other things during a DMA tranfer |
| 18:33:07 | amiconn | But you won't be able to speed things up without figuring out how to change the timings in the controller |
| 18:33:29 | amiconn | You can't do dma for odd alignment, I'm 99% sure |
| 18:34:21 | amiconn | Most ipods are faster than those ~4.5MB/s, coldfire targets aren't much faster iirc |
| 18:36:08 | jhMikeS | what I changed got a few less frames dropped on a heavy video but nothing spectacular |
| 18:36:49 | amiconn | Gigabeat drops frames?? |
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| 18:36:56 | * | amiconn wouldn't expect that |
| 18:37:03 | jhMikeS | if you feed it enough video |
| 18:38:12 | jhMikeS | of course...optimizing the video codec would stop my test vids that only drop a few b-frames here and there |
| 18:38:54 | jhMikeS | It picked up several FPS with just a partial ASM motion comp change |
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| 18:39:54 | jhMikeS | they only drop during buffering actually |
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| 20:08:09 | yiga1 | I have an unsupported, for Rockbox, mp3 player. While this is probably the wrong place to ask someone in here might know. I want to use vorbis, ogg, not mp3 but it only supports mp3, is there a way to try and install codecs/firmware to meet my needs. It has a FAT16 partition and free space. Thanks any pointers would be great - even a pointer such as "it is much too difficult sell your generic and buy a Rockbox supported model |
| 20:08:41 | yiga1 | It is by Creative and is called MuVo v100 |
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| 20:13:51 | yiga1 | please, anything would be fine |
| 20:15:11 | yiga1 | so I am asking in the wrong language perhaps? |
| 20:15:49 | bluebrother | no, this channel is english spoken |
| 20:16:15 | bluebrother | point is, most likely nobody can help you with that. You can't just install a codec into a firmware like you do in windows |
| 20:16:35 | bluebrother | you might want to have a look in the "New Ports" forums. There might be discussion about it. |
| 20:17:27 | bluebrother | (another point: people who might know an answer might be just inactive in this channel atm ;-) |
| 20:19:26 | yiga1 | bluebrother: thanks bb I have been hacking Linux for the last 2.6 years and I know the pain it sometimes can be to try and get hardware to do what one wants. My collection is in ogg I have used a small script ogg2mp3 to change over my best beats for my mp3 player but it would be nice to use vorbis, as it is open source. ty I will try the "New Ports" section. |
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| 20:21:07 | bluebrother | if you are interested in porting Rockbox the NewPorts wiki page might be interesting to you. But I can't help you on that further −− good luck :) |
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| 20:22:46 | yiga1 | np, I will get it to work, but it might be 6 months from now :) |
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| 20:28:47 | yiga1 | I found this http://opensource.creative.com/ there are resources |
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| 20:38:03 | kkurbjun | markun/jhMikeS, I have a fixed up version of the sc606 driver for the gigabeat that includes the asm loop, as well as a bunch of other fixes to some details that needed attention in the driver. I'll be committing that once I finish the backlight/buttonlight work I'm doing on the gigabeat - just FYI |
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| 21:11:09 | Failure^^ | So give me time |
| 21:16:47 | kkurbjun | Failure^^, I think you have the wrong channel |
| 21:19:00 | Failure^^ | Mhm does anyone have the info for the torrentsites rockbox's irc chan? |
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| 22:10:07 | fm2 | Nico_P: hi! |
| 22:11:54 | fm2 | Nico_P: is the more efficient string handling worth larger bin size? I also thought about that optimisation but abandoned it since I thought that there are not many identical strings in WPS's. And string limit is rarely hit. |
| 22:12:52 | fm2 | Nico_P: so this doesn't effectively buy (almost) nothing since the string buffer is reserved anyway. |
| 22:13:11 | amiconn | Bagder: around? |
| 22:13:38 | fm2 | He-he, very quiet here. 'll try other time. |
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| 22:17:59 | Bagder | yeps |
| 22:22:19 | * | ender` yawns |
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| 22:25:38 | Hilikus | hey guys |
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| 22:26:24 | Hilikus | i cant find any info on the auto-change directory "Random" setting, what does it do??? from testing it, it does the same thing as "yes" |
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| 22:28:13 | Hilikus | it just jumps to the next directory after the current directory has been played complitely |
| 22:28:57 | linuxstb | Hilikus: I'm not sure, but you may need to run the random_folder_advance_config plugin to set it up |
| 22:29:44 | Hilikus | cause im trying to either find a setting or a patch to change directories randomly like to listen to an album in order but changing to a random album after the first one is done, and thats what that option sounded like |
| 22:29:48 | Hilikus | oh ok |
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| 22:30:25 | Hilikus | is that plugin in the main build? ive never seen it |
| 22:31:00 | linuxstb | Yes, it should be |
| 22:31:36 | Hilikus | it is! cool |
| 22:32:24 | Hilikus | thanks, i didnt know parts of the main firmware could be dependent on plugins |
| 22:35:05 | Hilikus | ohhh great! it works, i love rockbox |
| 22:35:08 | Hilikus | thanks guys |
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| 22:38:04 | Bagder | obo apparently runs debian unstable or similar as well ;-/ |
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| 22:38:27 | Bagder | the link failure in the sim builds |
| 22:38:59 | amiconn | storebror does run the same for sure |
| 22:39:17 | obo | Bagder: yup, debian unstable - is this (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=421328) related? |
| 22:39:17 | Bagder | yes, but I disabled sdl builds from it previously as a quick work-around |
| 22:39:29 | stripwax | does the new wps_parser code create copies of the literal text in the wps? I didn't see anything in the diff that would free those copies |
| 22:39:29 | amiconn | (as does mine - annoying package, that) |
| 22:39:58 | stripwax | ^ question to Nico_P I guess |
| 22:40:06 | amiconn | Bagder: You could downgrade to binutils 2.17.3 - it's still in testing |
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| 22:40:07 | Bagder | obo: it certainly sounds like that can be the one that hits us, yes |
| 22:40:09 | amiconn | This is what I did |
| 22:40:27 | amiconn | (and then locked it for the time being) |
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| 22:45:31 | stripwax | Nemmind. strings isn't dynamically sized. ignore me. |
| 22:45:45 | dankole | why are there no rockbox iriver downloads on the site? |
| 22:47:22 | stripwax | Nico_P - so is the advantage of this change that we can now use 128 *distinct* text strings in WPS as opposed to 128 strings total incl duplicates? |
| 22:47:52 | Bagder | dankole: on the rockbox site? I can see several |
| 22:48:03 | stripwax | dankole - http://build.rockbox.org/ ? |
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| 22:50:37 | dankole | ahh ok i see |
| 22:51:08 | dankole | does anyone know what i do with all these i jsut downloaded? |
| 22:51:20 | dankole | do i jsut move em to my root dir? |
| 22:51:24 | linuxstb | dankole: There's a fine manual with an install section |
| 22:56:57 | dankole | ive tried it |
| 22:57:02 | dankole | i just get a -1 error |
| 22:57:35 | stripwax | Nico_P - actually I'm still not sure I get it. It seems you do len++ while you're pulling in the literal text but never increment stringbuf_used in that loop (so the conditional in your loop is always false). Then you strncpy the string into the stringbuffer using 'len' which might be > the remaining stringbuffer available. Isn't that dangerous? Shouldn't you use min( len, STRING_BUFFER_SIZE-1 ) instead? |
| 22:57:39 | linuxstb | dankole: Did you first install Rockbox a long time ago? |
| 22:58:16 | dankole | i had it on here along itme a go but i formatted and forgot how to install it. i mean i use the maual, but it never worked. then someone off here helped me and it worked |
| 22:58:58 | linuxstb | It sounds like you need to install the latest bootloader. |
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| 22:59:37 | dankole | i do have the latest one. at leats i think i do |
| 22:59:49 | dankole | i patched it with that thing then moved it to the dir |
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| 23:01:13 | linuxstb | dankole: Did you select the "firmware upgrade" option in the iriver firmware? |
| 23:01:21 | dankole | ya |
| 23:01:48 | linuxstb | OK, so do you have a ".rockbox" folder on your iriver, with a "rockbox.iriver" file inside there? |
| 23:02:00 | dankole | no |
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| 23:02:35 | linuxstb | Then that's the problem - you've installed the bootloader, but not Rockbox itself. |
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| 23:03:39 | dankole | rockbox.zip? |
| 23:03:58 | linuxstb | Yes, and rockbox-fonts.zip |
| 23:04:14 | dankole | do i just drag all the files into the root? |
| 23:04:32 | dankole | i dont know where to get rockboxfonts |
| 23:04:39 | linuxstb | The suggested way is to extract the zip file directly to your iriver. |
| 23:05:08 | linuxstb | Follow the "extras" link in the menu on www.rockbox.org |
| 23:05:11 | stripwax | also the code that ensure strings in stringbuf are \0-terminated seems to have gone away with this change. I think the last string that fills the buffer could be unterminated |
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| 23:07:11 | dankole | do i put the font hting into the root as well? |
| 23:07:43 | linuxstb | yes |
| 23:08:31 | dankole | nice. thanks, your a charm buddy |
| 23:10:21 | dankole | so rockbox drains the battery a bit more right? |
| 23:10:54 | stripwax | dankole - what model iriver do you have? |
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| 23:11:01 | dankole | h120 |
| 23:11:20 | stripwax | dankole - I think rockbox has better battery performance than iriver original fw |
| 23:11:52 | Soap | Rockbox meets or exceeds original firmware on all but the iPods. |
| 23:12:11 | * | stripwax wishes he'd got a gigabeat instead of an ipod |
| 23:12:16 | Soap | (Sansa too.) (iRiver H10 is an iPod when it comes down to it) |
| 23:12:23 | Soap | get both! |
| 23:12:34 | stripwax | Soap - what, and my h120? :-) |
| 23:12:55 | Soap | Sure! |
| 23:13:00 | stripwax | Heh! |
| 23:13:17 | stripwax | Any dev able to comment on my posts above about the recent wps_parser change? |
| 23:13:31 | * | amiconn doesn't know of an imposed maximum of rockbox targets one could have |
| 23:13:36 | amiconn | ;) |
| 23:13:48 | stripwax | ;) |
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| 23:16:18 | stripwax | Yeah. Just tried it. trying to fill the stringbuf with large strings in wps crashes the latest rockbox. |
| 23:17:05 | stripwax | 1. Final string isn't truncated to buffer stringbuffer size. 2. Last byte of string buffer is not guaranteed to be \0 |
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| 23:18:44 | stripwax | This wps nukes rockbox. http://pastebin.ca/466198 |
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| 23:36:50 | Nico_P | stripwax: strcpy takes care of the \0 |
| 23:37:21 | stripwax | strNcpy does not though? Can you reproduce the rockbox crash using my example? |
| 23:37:29 | Nico_P | stripwax: about the check against STRING_BUFFER_SIZE, that slipped my mind... I'll have to take a look |
| 23:37:40 | Bagder | strncpy() does not if the string is n long |
| 23:37:48 | Nico_P | oops |
| 23:38:01 | stripwax | Nico_P - my patch is in the tracker |
| 23:38:11 | Bagder | and strncpy() _pads_ the string with zeroes if less than n long |
| 23:38:13 | Nico_P | stripwax: cool, thanks :) |
| 23:38:28 | Bagder | strncpy is a funny beast |
| 23:38:31 | stripwax | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7093 |
| 23:38:39 | Nico_P | Bagder: in this case the string will always be n long |
| 23:38:46 | Bagder | aha |
| 23:38:49 | Nico_P | but the buffer is initially filled with 0s |
| 23:39:10 | stripwax | Nico_P - right, which is why it works so long as you have < 1023 bytes of total text :-) |
| 23:39:14 | Nico_P | but I did screw up the limits check |
| 23:39:21 | Nico_P | stripwax: yes |
| 23:39:37 | Nico_P | I'll take a look at the patch as soon as I come back, but right now I have to go |
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| 23:48:24 | stripwax | Nico_P - you can use this wps to verify the fix works. http://pastebin.ca/466240 . |
| 23:49:26 | stripwax | The first 16 lines represent 1022 bytes (including terminating \0) and so the final line gets truncated + \0-terminated after the first character (the 'a') |
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