| 00:00:48 | scorche | Soap: it is easier to say all PP targets ;) |
| 00:01:54 | TrueJournals | OK... still having a problem with the simulator. The −−debugwps tag doesn't seem to do anyting... |
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| 00:11:39 | TrueJournals | Anyone? |
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| 00:15:30 | stripwax | TrueJournals : - it works for me. what are you trying to do? |
| 00:16:17 | TrueJournals | Well, the Simplified2D WPS at http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=160x128x16 won't load on my H10 (it shows the default WPS instead of the simplified 2D one) |
| 00:16:23 | TrueJournals | So, I figure it's a parsing error |
| 00:16:51 | stripwax | TrueJournals : - you should get a wps error to stderr (even without the debugwps switch) |
| 00:17:10 | TrueJournals | I'm using Windows, should it create the file stderr? |
| 00:17:12 | * | Arathis loads newest rockbox to try his simplified 2d version |
| 00:17:27 | Arathis | which actually should be the newsest though it's my theme ^^ |
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| 00:23:05 | stripwax | TrueJournals - by "stderr" I meant 'the console' |
| 00:23:28 | TrueJournals | Ah, well, as soon as I hit enter on the command, it just gives me another prompt... |
| 00:23:35 | stripwax | TrueJournals - fwiw, I use Cygwin. I'm not sure where the output goes if you're using something else.. |
| 00:23:56 | to1 | Using tagnavi is it possible to display tracks in order of filename without actually displaying the filename? |
| 00:24:07 | TrueJournals | Even if I do rockboxui.exe −−debugwps > debug.txt it doesn't really display any errors in debug.txt |
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| 00:25:07 | tom56 | Using tagnavi is it possible to display tracks in order of filename without actually displaying the filename? (e.g. by using %strip?) |
| 00:25:24 | TrueJournals | stripwax: All debug.txt says is "WPS debug mode enabled." |
| 00:26:05 | stripwax | TrueJournal - try "rockboxui.exe −−debugwps > debug.txt 2>&1" (without the quotes) |
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| 00:26:38 | stripwax | TrueJournals - doing just the > redirects stdout but not stderr |
| 00:26:46 | TrueJournals | ah, OK, trying... |
| 00:27:19 | TrueJournals | Ah, now THAT seems to have worked |
| 00:27:20 | TrueJournals | thanks |
| 00:27:26 | stripwax | great! |
| 00:29:12 | TrueJournals | %al %fc | %fbkbps%ar%pp/%pe is the line that's giving me problems "Invalid conditional char (not in an open conditional)" |
| 00:29:27 | TrueJournals | My guess is that the | indicates a conditional, even though there is no conditional |
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| 00:29:40 | pixelma | yes you have to escape it |
| 00:29:42 | TrueJournals | What the | there should do is just output | I'm guessing... |
| 00:29:47 | TrueJournals | how do I escape it? |
| 00:29:50 | stripwax | \| |
| 00:29:54 | pixelma | "%|" |
| 00:29:59 | TrueJournals | OK... let me try that... |
| 00:30:04 | stripwax | oops. yeah, what pixelma said |
| 00:31:05 | TrueJournals | OK, now there's another one... let's see... |
| 00:31:17 | pixelma | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#Other_Tags |
| 00:32:18 | TrueJournals | "%?pb|4|13|147|" - "Unclosed conditional" |
| 00:32:24 | Arathis | TrueJournals: I didn't follow rockbox process in the the last month, but I think there where some changes regarding WPS. By that I didn't fix the WPS till now |
| 00:33:18 | pixelma | TrueJournals: the progress bar is not a conditional - so the question mark is wrong there |
| 00:33:19 | TrueJournals | Arathis: Ah, makes sense... the one big change was that it makes sure WPS files work before they are loaded... so if there |
| 00:33:36 | TrueJournals | was something that worked but was kind of weird... it would have shown fine before |
| 00:33:54 | stripwax | yep |
| 00:34:06 | TrueJournals | That was the last thing that was wrong :-D |
| 00:34:20 | TrueJournals | Thanks for the help :-D |
| 00:34:39 | pixelma | glad it works now :) |
| 00:34:42 | TrueJournals | I gotta go... thanks again :-D |
| 00:34:46 | Arathis | so what should be changed to make the theme work again? I'll update it then |
| 00:34:59 | TrueJournals | %?pb = remove the "?" |
| 00:35:17 | TrueJournals | on line 34 I think... there's " | " change to " %| " |
| 00:35:23 | TrueJournals | see ya |
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| 00:35:31 | * | Arathis isn't in the WPS code anymore ^^ |
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| 00:38:15 | pixelma | interesting what code the old parser allowed though... |
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| 00:52:38 | jimbobuk | i just got rockbox installed on my gigabeat... looks good so far.. can't believe doom works on it, crazy stuff... no sound but heck shows the potential... anyways it looks very basic at the moment, all plain text menus.. |
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| 00:53:20 | jimbobuk | i quite like it, and would want to be able to get back to it if need be, but how can i get it looking the best possible when i want to listen to music. Also i'd like to setup last.fm stuff where do I tweak that? |
| 00:54:41 | stripwax | jumbobuk - in the settings menu, change the Theme. download new themes from the rockbox wiki or create your own |
| 00:54:44 | scorche | jimbobuk: you will want to read the manual...it explains that and much more |
| 00:55:14 | jimbobuk | so the current view is just a basic theme? where is the manual? |
| 00:56:43 | stripwax | jimbobuk - same place the rockbox files are. click the 'manual' link. http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml |
| 00:57:05 | jimbobuk | ok, thanks... |
| 00:57:30 | stripwax | and here's some themes http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=240x320x16 |
| 00:58:04 | stripwax | (some of these require features only available in unsupported builds however) |
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| 01:03:11 | jimbobuk | stripwax: thanks... unsupported builds, best to stay away from them, for a bit at least? any fave of the themes in how they perform? |
| 01:03:28 | jimbobuk | there is a coverflow type thing somewhere isn't there?? |
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| 01:03:57 | jimbobuk | do you have a gigabeat, or anyone else who does? the original manual talks about scrolling but as far as i can gather the controls are only 5 buttons (4 directions, and a centre) |
| 01:04:19 | jimbobuk | its just it talks about scrolling in the manual but i've never seen it work beyond moving into a region of a button and then working like holding it down. |
| 01:05:55 | linuxstb | I have a gigabeat, but installed Rockbox immediately - I've never opened the original manual. |
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| 01:10:12 | jimbobuk | i know me neither, bar the original track on it whilst it charged at work |
| 01:10:31 | jimbobuk | take it there is no correct place to put music tracks on the hdd? |
| 01:10:57 | scorche | if you mean that there is no restriction on where, then yes |
| 01:11:09 | jimbobuk | where do you choose to put them? |
| 01:11:25 | scorche | i have a folder on the root that i neamed "Music" |
| 01:11:28 | scorche | names |
| 01:11:29 | jimbobuk | cool |
| 01:11:30 | scorche | named |
| 01:11:38 | * | scorche sighs |
| 01:12:12 | jimbobuk | what are everyone's must have install plugins etc to get a good taste of the crazy flexability of it.. doom is great to just show ppl, sudoko actually plays quite well, any other standout one? |
| 01:12:14 | jimbobuk | (s) |
| 01:13:01 | TrueJournals | I like jewels ;-) |
| 01:17:01 | JdGordon | TrueJournals: get your wps working? |
| 01:18:15 | TrueJournals | Yes I did |
| 01:19:06 | TrueJournals | stripwax helped me figure out that I was only getting output from stdout when I needed to see the output from stderr |
| 01:19:11 | jimbobuk | hmm, the hdd on finder on my mac is going a bit mad, made a directory and now there are two directories of the same name |
| 01:19:21 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:19:36 | jimbobuk | a directory for music that is, album1, album2.. album2 has now made album1==album2 and they all have the same files in :( |
| 01:21:09 | jimbobuk | perhaps its the long filenames, i'll try it via the command line next time |
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| 01:24:04 | Arathis | TrueJournals: Found another error in the wps. in the line where the clock is defined it should read "%cH:cM" not "%cH:Mc" |
| 01:24:14 | jimbobuk | what are wps? |
| 01:24:52 | TrueJournals | Arathis: Right, forgot about that one... |
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| 01:25:18 | TrueJournals | jimbobuk: WPS stands for While Playing Screen... A WPS will change what you see when you go to "Now Playing" from the root menu |
| 01:25:32 | jimbobuk | ahh ok |
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| 01:27:46 | pixelma | Arathis: but that's not entirely correct - it should be now "%cH:%cM" because every RTC tags gets its own "%c" now |
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| 01:28:38 | Arathis | TrueJournals: yeah, noticed that myself when testing the wps |
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| 01:29:53 | Arathis | I can't setup an arc-elf-cross environment so i'd need to run vmware to compile the newest uisimulator from cvs so i just plugged my player to the pc |
| 01:30:53 | TrueJournals | Arathis: I think you mean SVN... ;-) |
| 01:31:04 | Arathis | XD of course |
| 01:31:31 | Arathis | you see I haven't checked out the source very often latly ;) |
| 01:31:39 | TrueJournals | heh |
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| 01:48:38 | scorche | new mail for Devcon-W...please read if you are planning on attending |
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| 01:58:32 | TrueJournals | Anyone think they can help me get the Windows simulator compiling under Linux? |
| 01:58:50 | TrueJournals | The guide in the wiki... sucks... |
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| 02:17:04 | jimbobuk | what is the format, size of files, format of files etc for getting album cover support in, i dont see a mention of it in the manual |
| 02:17:27 | scorche | because it is not in the official version |
| 02:17:32 | scorche | it uses a patch |
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| 02:18:14 | jimbobuk | ahh |
| 02:18:42 | jimbobuk | will it become official eventually... cover art seems a good thing to compare against the stock ipods these days. |
| 02:18:51 | jimbobuk | starting to like it as is to be honest, it all just works nicely |
| 02:19:16 | scorche | it isnt currently implemented as we would like it |
| 02:19:29 | Soap | jimbobuk: cover.bmp - no official size - WPS sets size - if you compile with the BMP resize patch you can store them as whatever size your heart desires, otherwise the need to be the size the WPS wants or smaller. |
| 02:20:20 | scorche | jimbobuk: expect this to change with http://code.google.com/soc/rockbox/appinfo.html?csaid=D6BA9A838F43B9D8 |
| 02:20:31 | Soap | cover.bmp in the directory of the song, so unless you have your music sorted by (at least) album it won't work as intended. |
| 02:21:00 | jimbobuk | hmm, sounds like resize is a good idea tho i guess most would expect it at a similar size... larger the better i reckon as the gigabeat screen is asking for it, tho i like having a lot of info crammed on there. |
| 02:21:33 | jimbobuk | i will organise by album dirs at least, may nest with artist as i do on pc normally, tho database view may make that redundant |
| 02:21:36 | element_G | Soap: I've drawn up a wiki page on your proposed "Seal of Approval" http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoapSealofApproval |
| 02:21:51 | scorche | haha |
| 02:21:59 | Soap | how evil of you, element... |
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| 02:22:20 | element_G | you like it? |
| 02:22:21 | scorche | i plan on having this be a topic of discussion at Devcon-W |
| 02:22:24 | TrueJournals | That is the greatest thing I have seen today |
| 02:22:26 | Soap | do we _need_ to put my name in it? (Mind you - I don't care - I just fear the wrath of LL) |
| 02:22:37 | scorche | haha...i find i quite amusing |
| 02:23:00 | element_G | I think that is reason enough to keep the name the way it is |
| 02:23:14 | TrueJournals | Although - "must state which patches are required with appropriate FS#'s" might want to say "must state which patches are required with appropriate FS#'s or URLs" because not all patches are at FS |
| 02:23:32 | element_G | ah, nice ;) |
| 02:24:33 | Soap | The wiki page is excellent, the only major Issue I feel we have yet to discuss is some methodology for expiring the seal when WPS code changes. |
| 02:24:34 | element_G | come to think of it the bit about unsupported builds should require a link too |
| 02:24:35 | scorche | now we just need midkay to draw us up a "soap's Seal Of Approval" image stamp |
| 02:24:41 | TrueJournals | Also, point b at "must use proper filenaming" - I think you mean .bmp, not .cfg |
| 02:24:50 | jimbobuk | is it setup to be flat output from first install.. not sure if there are some effects on, this track doesnt sound like i remember |
| 02:24:57 | midkay | haha. |
| 02:25:08 | Soap | jimbobuk: should be flat as a board. |
| 02:25:08 | jimbobuk | the screen is well strange, without the light on you can't really see anything at all |
| 02:25:08 | scorche | Soap: i added it to the list under agenda for Devcon-W |
| 02:25:20 | Soap | lol scorche |
| 02:26:06 | Soap | good catch TrueJournals |
| 02:26:29 | TrueJournals | Also, I have a question... I want to make a script to automatically configure and build rockbox and a bootloader for my H10... The only thing I can't really figure out how to do is send input to the configure script... what would be the best way to go about doing this? |
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| 02:28:01 | element_G | Soap: I added the image that I sort of came up with for the seal to the wiki page |
| 02:28:27 | TrueJournals | lol |
| 02:28:38 | Soap | God it's frickin huge! |
| 02:28:43 | Soap | ;) |
| 02:28:45 | scorche | and pixelated! |
| 02:28:58 | element_G | it's a prototype, a prototype! |
| 02:29:24 | scorche | Soap: are you laughing as hard as i am about this? |
| 02:29:34 | element_G | I'm not endowed with godlike GIMP skills, nor have I tried inkscape yet |
| 02:29:37 | Soap | I think it needs done. |
| 02:30:34 | pixelma | Seal Of APproval ;) |
| 02:30:34 | element_G | never thought of that.... ;) |
| 02:30:54 | TrueJournals | Took me a second to get that... |
| 02:31:25 | scorche | haha...me too |
| 02:31:27 | TrueJournals | That'd make it easier... then you could just have an image that said "SOAP" |
| 02:31:36 | jimbobuk | Soap, thanks.. maybe its my ears, its sounds ok now... i turned it up a bit :) |
| 02:31:42 | pixelma | just came to me mind when looking at the picture |
| 02:31:44 | Soap | I'm going downstairs. I can't stop laughing |
| 02:31:52 | Soap | element_G: you're an evil bastard, and I love you. |
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| 02:31:56 | jimbobuk | i take it that when formats support it, gapless playback just happens? |
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| 02:32:03 | scorche | me either...and i am going upstairs =P |
| 02:32:04 | Soap | oh yes jimbobuk |
| 02:32:07 | jimbobuk | nice |
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| 02:32:38 | jimbobuk | i do wonder with playing flacs if its a good idea to increase some buffers somewhere, i read it when flicking that u could increase some buffer.. the anti skip thing... tbh i cant feel it spinning up too often |
| 02:33:02 | jimbobuk | i just wonder if for larger files lack flac if its better to have it larger, or will rockbox be using as much as possible. |
| 02:33:25 | Soap | PS - the logo - at %25 and with the background changed from white to Rockbox blue to blend with the wiki background...and the yellow to "fight club soap pink" looks pretty tasty.... |
| 02:33:36 | scorche | rockbox uses as much as possible with the other threads |
| 02:34:23 | Soap | the FC pink being less important... |
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| 02:34:34 | scorche | good movie though |
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| 02:34:40 | jimbobuk | scorche: thanks |
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| 02:35:20 | jimbobuk | that google summer of code change for album art sounds neat.. i guess to switch unofficial versions of rockbox is a case of substituting (and first backing up) files in the .rockbox directory |
| 02:35:45 | scorche | unless they require a different bootloader, yes |
| 02:36:04 | jimbobuk | ahh, figures |
| 02:36:16 | element_G | Soap: fight club soap FTW |
| 02:36:56 | jimbobuk | there is a version out somewhere that offers a form of album navigation using thumbnails like |
| 02:37:01 | jimbobuk | a bit like cover flow, even. |
| 02:37:35 | jimbobuk | i have to say congrats to the folks involved.. the little plugin demos make me itch to have a play with it, is developing them relatively straightforward |
| 02:38:21 | jimbobuk | it pretty much blows everything else out of the water for what i like about music playback... navigation could be improved, but thats more down to the hardware not being as smooth as an ipod, tho i have to say i'm getting more used to the gigabeat controls, and they're not bad at all. |
| 02:38:56 | scorche | how is the hardware in the gigabeeat "not as smooth" as the ipod? |
| 02:39:01 | jimbobuk | i've enabled last.fm logging... what is needed to get this onto my account, i know of that .php page, which i presume you can even copy the script and install it on your own server |
| 02:39:10 | jimbobuk | scorche: well just the scroll wheel really |
| 02:39:36 | jimbobuk | and you can't half say that the stock ipod UI is pretty well done, and is intrinsically tied to the hardware its running on |
| 02:39:56 | jimbobuk | agreed the headphone out, and power of the CPU in it seems to be pretty special |
| 02:40:42 | scorche | actually, i hate the non-intuitiveness of the ipod UI |
| 02:40:48 | scorche | and not sure what you mean by special |
| 02:41:19 | Soap | jimbobuk: I know of no "coverflow" verion of rockbox around. |
| 02:41:19 | jimbobuk | i just wonder for the logging what the process is.. say i listen for a few days, and want to upload to last.fm... grab the log file, put it thorugh the uploader, get it on the site.. what do i then do, do i have to be sure i delete the log off the player for fear of it appending new items to the log and then resubmitting the old ones next time i upload |
| 02:41:38 | jimbobuk | Soap: thanks... i thought i'd found it earlier today when searching for gigabeat scrolling on google |
| 02:41:42 | Soap | jimbobuk: there is a LastFM logger wiki page with multiple scripts and programs to sync your log outside the PHP script. |
| 02:42:05 | jimbobuk | Soap: ahh sounds better, i'd rather not use a php script unless its the only option |
| 02:42:24 | Soap | jimbobuk: on windows might I suggest LogScrobbler - as it is the one I like, but there are plenty of options for all OSs |
| 02:42:32 | jimbobuk | can you listen for weeks and upload in a burst, is it something that tends to just work more than it doesn't? |
| 02:42:53 | jimbobuk | Soap: you may indeed, on my mac atm, and will probably get a program for both |
| 02:43:30 | Soap | Last.FM won't take submissions dated prior to your last submission, so if you listen at home on your PC, and on your Gigabeat you will have issues unless you use a log submission program which will fake the time stamps on your Gigabeat submitted files. |
| 02:43:43 | Soap | I upload in weekly bursts. |
| 02:44:23 | aliask | Seems silly to have that limitation |
| 02:44:59 | jimbobuk | hmm my PC (before it died) was all setup with foobar doing the scrobbling, i'll probably try to get it sorted again |
| 02:45:05 | Soap | they call it "spam protection" FWIW |
| 02:45:43 | jimbobuk | tricky though, i like the idea of the timings being accurate if it takes the time off the rockbox player |
| 02:45:57 | jimbobuk | does it give you an error failed to upload anything if a date clash like that occurs |
| 02:46:14 | Soap | depends on what program you upload with. |
| 02:46:34 | jimbobuk | it'd be good to go with normal times when possible, if fail cause PC has submitted something since then switch for that occurence on to what, faking it as being the time you upload? |
| 02:46:43 | Soap | take that back - I don't _know_ of a program which will detect time clashes for you - I know how to manually check for time clashes with LogScrobbler. |
| 02:47:03 | jimbobuk | does it have to go back the length of time of the tracks and make it like you've listened to all the tracks submitted, ending roughly at the time you started submitted.. when faking the times |
| 02:47:08 | Soap | I believe they fake by taking current time and working backwards |
| 02:47:12 | jimbobuk | yeah |
| 02:47:15 | jimbobuk | makes sense |
| 02:47:47 | jimbobuk | hmm... tempting to have a new last.fm id for portable only but thats a bit against the point of it really |
| 02:47:51 | Soap | which is, again I believe, how they fake it for the Rockbox players w/o a real-time-clock onboard. |
| 02:48:10 | Soap | now I AM going downstairs. |
| 02:48:50 | element_G | Soap: new image on the wiki, resized and recolored |
| 02:52:48 | element_G | als added another rule to the page: all files must be on the wiki |
| 02:54:58 | jimbobuk | i take it new targets are going to be picked up as demand dictates... i think after adapting to this player i'd struggle to go back to a normal one.. what if the battery died :O |
| 02:55:19 | scorche | actually, no |
| 02:55:22 | jimbobuk | themes go in .rockbox ? |
| 02:55:57 | scorche | new targets happen if people come forward with the time, capability, dedication , and the actual unit to port it |
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| 02:56:10 | scorche | demand has nothing to do with it |
| 02:56:36 | jimbobuk | scorche: oh for sure, i can imagine it being a fairly mammoth task. I'm just saying imagine a world in a few years when all the gigabeats and other players are starting to die |
| 02:57:07 | scorche | jimbobuk: the archos units are still around and some are over 6 years old |
| 02:57:31 | webguest50 | hi would like to know if anybody can tell me what types of word documents rockbox can read??? |
| 02:57:38 | jimbobuk | just the batterys really with loads of use.. i guess you'd always be able to fallback to being permanently plugged in. |
| 02:57:46 | webguest50 | can it read the notepad ones? |
| 02:58:01 | jimbobuk | i read in the manual that it likes .txt files |
| 02:58:08 | jimbobuk | dunno about any others, .rtf ? |
| 02:58:15 | jimbobuk | ^^ webguest50 |
| 02:58:17 | webguest50 | oh |
| 02:58:38 | webguest50 | can it read the ones from notepad??? |
| 02:58:39 | scorche | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1740008.3.6 |
| 02:58:56 | webguest50 | is the link for me? |
| 02:59:05 | jimbobuk | webguest50: i'm sure it will.. notepad is just .txt files |
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| 02:59:11 | jimbobuk | standard ASCII |
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| 02:59:40 | webguest50 | oh ok thanks....so i just save them to my ipod right? |
| 02:59:44 | scorche | ascii doesnt necessarily mean .txt |
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| 03:00:36 | jimbobuk | scorche: i guess not |
| 03:00:58 | webguest50 | thanks!!! |
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| 03:04:09 | jimbobuk | hmm, i can't see the .logscrobbler file in ~/, or ~/.rockbox |
| 03:06:13 | jimbobuk | by reboot they just me power off, and on again.. not a battery off/on switch do they? |
| 03:08:42 | Soap | element_G: on all files must be on the wiki - I had forgotten about that - but very important. Off-site hosting of WPSs is bad bad bad. |
| 03:11:10 | element_G | Soap: ....what about the new image? |
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| 03:21:29 | jimbobuk | am i missing something with the last.fm option then? no file to be seen at the moment |
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| 03:25:05 | pixelma | jimbobuk: did you restart your player after enabling last.fm log? Also iirc logging the song that is played first is broken - did you read the wiki page about it? |
| 03:25:16 | jimbobuk | i am doing yeah |
| 03:25:22 | jimbobuk | just been getting themes too tho |
| 03:25:35 | jimbobuk | which bizarely seem to show unknown track at the moment |
| 03:25:41 | jimbobuk | trackname/artist etc |
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| 03:33:18 | Soap | element_G: I haven't looked yet, bbl |
| 03:33:24 | aliask | element_G: The antialiasing on the soap icon looks dodgy, are you using layers for the icon in gimp at all? |
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| 03:45:13 | MonkeyTamer | I have an interesting quirk with my playlist; when I insert a shuffled playlist, when a random song comes up, every song with the same title will also come right after |
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| 03:46:30 | MonkeyTamer | At first I had disregarded this nuance, but this is not the first time. I just checked to see if it would happen, and three songs of the same name came up in order, followed by another pair of songs of the same title |
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| 03:51:21 | jimbobuk | laters guys, thanks for your help |
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| 03:57:11 | jimbobuk | quickly, if anyone is still here, how do i just add the selected album to my current playlist.. i thought it was A but that seems to now just switch to WPS screen |
| 03:57:25 | jimbobuk | just so i know how to cue up albums, or start an album playing straight away |
| 03:57:34 | aliask | jimbobuk: Using folder view? |
| 03:57:39 | jimbobuk | either |
| 03:57:40 | jimbobuk | but database |
| 03:57:44 | jimbobuk | at the moment |
| 03:58:18 | aliask | Not sure if it works with database, but try holding select on the album "folder" and going to the playlist option, and selecting "insert" |
| 03:59:33 | jimbobuk | hmm, error accessing playlist file |
| 03:59:34 | jimbobuk | eek |
| 03:59:49 | aliask | Interesting... |
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| 04:00:13 | aliask | Looks like you've found a bug, it definitely shouldn't be doing that. |
| 04:00:17 | jimbobuk | got in a bit of a mess trying to play with that before, it was showing null in the playing window |
| 04:00:22 | jimbobuk | u r right with context |
| 04:00:24 | jimbobuk | rebooting it |
| 04:00:26 | jimbobuk | trying again |
| 04:00:53 | jimbobuk | hmm reboot aint helped |
| 04:01:00 | jimbobuk | playlist file seems borked |
| 04:02:01 | aliask | That's odd. I just tried exactly what you just did in the simulator and it worked fine... |
| 04:02:21 | aliask | Try deleting the playlist_control file in .rockbox |
| 04:02:39 | jimbobuk | i tried adding a file directly going to now playing and its now locked up |
| 04:02:46 | jimbobuk | i can't turn it off holding power down |
| 04:03:02 | jimbobuk | dont want to do the battery switch as i fear it may bork the hdd if its accesing it |
| 04:03:22 | jimbobuk | its got my trackname atm, and then (root)(root) after it.. i'm in a theme, maybe thats borked it |
| 04:03:33 | aliask | "in a theme"? |
| 04:03:40 | jimbobuk | i'd just selected a theme to try |
| 04:03:46 | aliask | Ah |
| 04:03:47 | jimbobuk | dunno if they've all installed properly |
| 04:03:52 | jimbobuk | how can i shut it down? |
| 04:03:54 | aliask | That shouldn't matter |
| 04:03:54 | jimbobuk | safel |
| 04:04:04 | jimbobuk | safely |
| 04:04:50 | aliask | If it's locked up completely then i'd say it's likely not writing to the hdd, so it should be safe enough to use the battery switch. |
| 04:05:14 | jimbobuk | if i put it to the ear i can hear the hdd is spinning |
| 04:05:18 | jimbobuk | no clicks tho i gues |
| 04:05:27 | jimbobuk | thank god for a hard switch.. if it comes back anyways |
| 04:05:35 | aliask | Spinning is ok, the head will be parked |
| 04:06:01 | aliask | Try deleting the playlist_control file before trying to play any music again. |
| 04:08:36 | jimbobuk | hmm well its back up and playing ok... |
| 04:08:42 | jimbobuk | i will try that as it still says error |
| 04:08:51 | jimbobuk | perhaps its characters in the meta of the files i'm trying to play? |
| 04:08:57 | jimbobuk | its a bit late for me, need to sleep |
| 04:09:45 | aliask | The playlist control file doesn't store any metadata |
| 04:10:07 | aliask | Might want to save the file first to let some devs look at it |
| 04:11:27 | jimbobuk | ok done it |
| 04:11:32 | jimbobuk | will delete it |
| 04:11:35 | jimbobuk | looks ok to me |
| 04:12:30 | aliask | The file itself looks ok? |
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| 04:14:43 | jimbobuk | the contents |
| 04:14:50 | jimbobuk | nuked, rebooted |
| 04:14:54 | jimbobuk | added same album |
| 04:15:01 | jimbobuk | looked at playlist (its playing it now) |
| 04:15:13 | aliask | So it worked? |
| 04:15:13 | jimbobuk | and the first few tracks are ok the later ones are messed up |
| 04:15:21 | jimbobuk | (ERR) |
| 04:15:37 | jimbobuk | dunno if its too long or something |
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| 04:15:42 | jimbobuk | i gotta go sleep |
| 04:15:46 | aliask | Righto |
| 04:15:48 | jimbobuk | will look into it, bit of a problem |
| 04:15:52 | aliask | Tis. |
| 04:15:59 | jimbobuk | perhaps something to do with the flac files |
| 04:16:03 | jimbobuk | they're playing fine tho |
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| 04:16:19 | jimbobuk | anyways to be continued :) |
| 04:16:28 | jimbobuk | i did just turn on runtime logging for database usage |
| 04:17:03 | jimbobuk | interesting, perhaps some files are corrupt... it just skipped over some.. |
| 04:17:06 | jimbobuk | anyways thanks, laters |
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| 04:21:45 | capo | ive got a prob with rockbox for sansa |
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| 04:25:44 | aliask | capo: What's up? |
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| 04:40:46 | capo | so rockbox has been working great ever since i installed it on the release. like a week ago i did a lot of things at once. i put in the improvement patch for mpegplayer, album art, and i got a new theme. |
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| 04:42:34 | capo | now when i go to the database and try to go by album or artist, it says 'A to Z', and when i go there, there's nothing there. the tracks are still in the tracks part of the database, and they play, but they arent separated by album/artist anymore. also, whenever i try to play games, roms, or videos, it says 'incompatible version' |
| 04:44:20 | aliask | capo: The second half of the problem is due to having a different version of rockbox than the plugins are expecting. You need to update ALL files when running a patched build, (including the plugin files) |
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| 04:46:53 | capo | okay, so that's why mpegplayer's not working too? |
| 04:47:10 | aliask | Yes |
| 04:47:51 | aliask | I have no idea about the database problem though |
| 04:47:58 | capo | okay, thanks for the help |
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| 04:52:19 | Happenstance | Accursed Apple and their planned obsolescence have prevented me from installing Rockbox on to my iPod mini... it seems I cannot place data on it, nor any method I have attempted to perform has seemed to be effective in remedying the problem. |
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| 04:57:07 | MonkeyTamer | I keep getting an "error accessing playlist file" message |
| 04:58:13 | Soap | Happenstance: have you booted it into disk mode? |
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| 04:59:33 | MonkeyTamer | I tried searching for information, but on my Gigabeat, after trying to reset settings, using clean builds, rebuilding my database... no luck |
| 04:59:57 | Soap | rockbox made playlist? |
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| 14:44:52 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: been listening for the last 40min or so(?) and i havnnt noticed any audio swapping.. |
| 14:45:31 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: that just...odd, I can't even imagine right now why it should have any effect there |
| 14:45:33 | preglow | why wouldn't swpb work right? |
| 14:45:43 | jhMikeS | maybe it's broken on PP5020? |
| 14:45:53 | JdGordon | preglow: its broken with svn on the sansa... |
| 14:45:58 | preglow | sounds thoroughly weird, though |
| 14:46:06 | preglow | the arm core is just something they get from arm and synthesise from that |
| 14:46:17 | preglow | and all the other byte sized instructions work fine, so shouldn't be a cache issue |
| 14:46:31 | jhMikeS | preglow: I've not a clue, the memory implementation could be botched perhaps |
| 14:46:50 | preglow | well, devising some kind of test to see if it's truly broken would be very helpful |
| 14:47:20 | JdGordon | hey www s back :) |
| 14:47:23 | jhMikeS | Easy, change the swpb to swp in test_and_set |
| 14:47:46 | preglow | that's still not a very conclusive test |
| 14:47:51 | preglow | in itself, i mean |
| 14:50:44 | Bagder | server is back up |
| 14:51:11 | JdGordon | was that the move? or a problem? |
| 14:51:21 | Bagder | it was a problem with the monthly reboot |
| 14:51:29 | Bagder | lilo complained and stopped |
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| 14:52:04 | Bagder | zagor is there right now poking on it |
| 14:52:10 | jhMikeS | well, after boot you've got a cop only running once per second, otherwise sleeping...unless mpegplayer is running. Why should just adding a stupid spinlock to the scheduler effect it that way when the cores will really never touch each other? On top of that, it's not a deadlock error because the other duals work just fine. |
| 14:52:30 | linuxstb | Bagder: Has the server move to a different location happened yet? |
| 14:52:39 | Bagder | nope, that happens later this week |
| 14:52:48 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: maybe you sped up the switching which solved the problem? |
| 14:52:54 | Bagder | and it is the other server (build, svn etc) |
| 14:52:57 | preglow | bikey time |
| 14:53:36 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: the theory of cache flushing doesn't seem valid now anyway |
| 14:53:38 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoapSealofApproval <- lol |
| 14:54:18 | jhMikeS | I'm running with default WPS which used to swap like nuts because of peakmeters |
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| 14:59:48 | jhMikeS | those iPods seem a bit pricey, even on ebay |
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| 15:01:32 | jhMikeS | is this the troublesome model: http://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-IPOD-Photo-40GB-Color-MP3-Player-White-M9585LL-A_W0QQitemZ260113271406QQihZ016QQcategoryZ90964QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
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| 15:04:46 | jhMikeS | funny, this all started with me getting an x5 for x-mas because I said "no iPod, please"...and now the circle is complete :P |
| 15:05:41 | jhMikeS | and look at what just wanting gapless playback on x5 got me into ... |
| 15:06:40 | ender` | my sister was looking for a portable player last week, and i gave her a few suggestions (none of them ipod). then she went and bough an ipod mini 6GB ("because it was only 150eur"), and the next thing she comes to me asking what's this stupid itunes business |
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| 15:08:03 | * | jhMikeS needs to know for sure if that ebay link is the correct model or someone has got to kindly hook him up with the right model iPod |
| 15:08:46 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: which one do you need ? |
| 15:09:07 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Yes, that's a troublesome one. |
| 15:09:17 | ender` | she's a happy rockbox user now (though for some reason ipodpatcher didn't want to detect her ipod on her computer, but it worked fine in mine) |
| 15:09:27 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: one with a PP5020 |
| 15:10:01 | * | Nico_P introduced his mother to rockbox today :) |
| 15:10:57 | jhMikeS | the patch seems to go over just fine on everything else and I can't ask linuxstb to test every minute change needed to track the problem |
| 15:11:38 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: If I had the time, I would, but I can't at the moment... |
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| 15:14:45 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: it's cool...putting through dozens of tweaks this way can just be very frustrating and limits my ability to experiment fastly |
| 15:15:46 | jhMikeS | It is interesting that disabling interrupts all the time actually got it farther |
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| 15:24:30 | lowlight | jhMikeS: iriver h10 has a pp5020 too |
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| 15:25:44 | lowlight | saw the 20gig clearanced at staples a couple of weeks ago |
| 15:27:41 | jhMikeS | lowlight: really, I wonder if it would behave and differently, which might say something if so |
| 15:28:40 | lowlight | ask barrywardell to test. he did the h10 port. |
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| 15:57:39 | * | jhMikeS figured out the deal with channel swapping - disabling the IRQs in the queues all the time causes it and since the patch stops that it becomes rare |
| 15:58:41 | jhMikeS | putting that back in with the patch applied makes it return |
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| 17:23:12 | Topic | "Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcGuidelines | Rockbox Devcon 2007 - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevCon2007 | DevCon-West: Static Info - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevConWest2007 Discussion - On the Dev-ML" by amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) |
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| 17:30:50 | intgr | Any ideas how could I contact Nicholas Sanders (from the wiki)? |
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| 17:43:52 | amiconn_ | Bagder: around? |
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| 17:47:45 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Re the channel swapping - do you have an idea why disabling IRQs makes that happen? |
| 17:47:50 | amiconn | Afaiu the DAC is fed from the FIQ, which doesn't get disabled... |
| 17:48:29 | amiconn | And, different topic, you have in fact 2 options if you want PP5020 but not ipod: either get a H10, or pick up and finish one of linuxstb's started-and-abandoned ports... the Tatung Elio |
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| 17:50:10 | * | linuxstb prefers the term "waiting patiently for linuxstb to have some free time" instead of "abandoned"... |
| 17:50:16 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Did you get my last lines? |
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| 18:01:57 | amiconn | linuxstb: It looks like abandoned to me given how many other things in rockbox you did since you added the Elio |
| 18:03:25 | amiconn | Personally, when doing a new port (like the Ondio or the M5), it has top priority for me over any other rockbox work. Of course you might set different priorities... |
| 18:04:16 | amiconn | There's also the prepared AV3xx... |
| 18:07:03 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I'll look in the log |
| 18:08:18 | Bagder | amiconn: here now for a short while |
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| 18:09:03 | jhMikeS | well, I have no idea why it makes it happen but it affects it |
| 18:09:29 | amiconn | Bagder: The list of supported models should probably be fixed. It read <bold>Company:</bold> models... for all companies except Cowon |
| 18:09:50 | Bagder | indeed |
| 18:09:57 | jhMikeS | I just figured out the LCD chip in the Sansa is a Renesas chip. I even have it running with inverted colors. :) |
| 18:10:05 | amiconn | I.e. the line for iaudios should read Cowon: iAudio X5 (including X5V and X5L), iAudio M5 (including M5L) |
| 18:10:33 | amiconn | I would fix it myself but the front page still seems to not use the svn www module :( |
| 18:10:51 | jhMikeS | maybe everyone knew that already though :P |
| 18:11:50 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Which one? |
| 18:12:08 | * | amiconn thought the sansa uses some kind of dma for lcd updates... ? |
| 18:12:12 | jhMikeS | I'm searching datasheet to try and match it, but the REV bit is the same |
| 18:12:40 | jhMikeS | I suppose we could run the x5 and H300 and such with a constant running DMA and a buffer too |
| 18:13:59 | amiconn | X5 can't use DMA unless we're going for a 32 bit framebuffer |
| 18:14:00 | jhMikeS | As soon as I looked at that startup it seemed a bit familiar |
| 18:14:20 | jhMikeS | Actually I have an idea of converting pixels in parallel with DMA transfer using a line buffer |
| 18:14:22 | amiconn | And H300 already uses DMA updates |
| 18:14:43 | amiconn | (for ordinary updates, not for the yuv stuff) |
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| 18:14:55 | jhMikeS | but couldn't you do it with another framebuffer and keep DMA going constantly so that updates are async? |
| 18:15:02 | amiconn | But I had an idea how to speed up yuv on H300 and X5 a bit more |
| 18:15:33 | amiconn | Constant dma would only work when always transferring the whole framebuffer, which is a waste |
| 18:16:18 | jhMikeS | I think it can speed up if we can do things in parallel for sure, transfer a line to LCD and at the same time convert the pixel format in a second line buffer |
| 18:16:19 | amiconn | Async updates also create problems |
| 18:17:51 | amiconn | The idea to speed up yuv on X5 and H300 is as follow: Switch LCD write direction to vertical (!) and limit it to 2 pixels per "line" (which is actually a column because of the switch) |
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| 18:18:22 | amiconn | This way all 4 pixels with the same chroma are written in sequences, saving the second chroma calculation |
| 18:19:11 | jhMikeS | yes, that could even be employed well on gigabeat and sansa |
| 18:19:58 | jhMikeS | it would increase the access locality as well |
| 18:20:25 | amiconn | yes. Otoh it requires an extra pointer, because both luma rows need to be accessed in the same loop |
| 18:20:51 | jhMikeS | yeah, but CF has 4 accums to store data in |
| 18:22:35 | amiconn | Current coldfire yuv code uses 3 of them (one each for R, G and B) |
| 18:22:55 | amiconn | The advantage is that the EMAC does the clipping for free |
| 18:24:17 | jhMikeS | yeah, that's a nice little thing, wish we had ARMv5 |
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| 18:47:52 | Pimpdaddypayne | Is it possible to make an ipod a startup disk? |
| 18:48:44 | ender` | you mean boot a PC OS from an ipod? |
| 18:48:57 | Pimpdaddypayne | yes |
| 18:49:08 | ender` | depends on your BIOS, but should work |
| 18:51:16 | intgr | It's a shame that so few BIOSes support booting off USB. |
| 18:52:35 | Pimpdaddypayne | Someone told me they were able to record the "sounds" their television remote's IR put out...and play them back through their ipod, to turn their television on and off |
| 18:52:43 | intgr | Technically, every USB mass storage device can be booted off of, but very few computers are capable of it. |
| 18:53:04 | intgr | Haha, remote controls don't even work with sound. |
| 18:53:32 | spiorf | Pimpdaddypayne, i recorded the ir from the remote, but for playback i would need a ir led |
| 18:53:35 | ender` | i'm having a problem with certain HP server that's all to happy to boot off usb |
| 18:54:01 | ender` | plug usb pendrive/disk drive/mp3 player in, reboot, and it'll try to boot off it |
| 18:54:06 | intgr | Hehe. |
| 18:54:12 | Pimpdaddypayne | he said he followed this tutorial and it worked http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/pub/a/oreilly/digitalmedia/2004/10/28/ipoditunes_hcks.html?page=1 |
| 18:54:13 | spiorf | maybe plugging one in the headphone hole would work |
| 18:54:27 | ender` | and you can't prevent that at all, unless you completely disable USB |
| 18:55:02 | intgr | Pimpdaddypayne: Ahh, it will work with a set of IR leds, yeah. |
| 18:55:04 | spiorf | Pimpdaddypayne, in fact he has a ir led plugged in the headphone hole |
| 18:55:38 | Pimpdaddypayne | That is very bad ass. I should build something like that, and change the channels at walmart all day |
| 18:55:55 | intgr | Indeed. :) |
| 18:56:04 | ender` | http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/884f/ ? |
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| 18:59:03 | GRaTT | has anybody reported end of month date issues |
| 18:59:20 | GRaTT | I am using sansa and cannot set the date to the end of any month |
| 18:59:46 | GRaTT | tried April 12 build and new svn all the same. |
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| 19:02:20 | GRaTT | anybody here |
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| 19:04:11 | toffe82 | Pimpdaddypayne: look at this for a remote, just write a plugin and build an interface : http://www.codeproject.com/netcf/PocketBeamer.asp |
| 19:05:49 | GRaTT | over at anyhtingbutipod others have reported april 30 date issues with patched builds |
| 19:06:17 | GRaTT | I cannot set any end of month date with clean svn build |
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| 19:10:11 | Pimpdaddypayne | that's all you gotta do? |
| 19:10:17 | Pimpdaddypayne | write a plugin and build the interface? :P |
| 19:12:16 | intgr | Well what did you expect? :) |
| 19:12:25 | Pimpdaddypayne | Very simple |
| 19:12:28 | Pimpdaddypayne | only 2 steps heh |
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| 19:14:02 | toffe82 | yes simple ;) |
| 19:14:13 | Pimpdaddypayne | steal underpants ......... profit |
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| 19:21:11 | GRaTT | any sansa users here |
| 19:21:53 | Bagder | why? |
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| 19:25:31 | Juice^ | seems like there have been made a change in rockbox that makes the sansas video driver unstable |
| 19:25:38 | Juice^ | both brickmania and stars game has had the picture moving/flickering strange for a second |
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| 19:29:46 | GRaTT | wondering if anybody has had end of month date setting issues |
| 19:32:03 | GRaTT | NO body else has problems setting the date to the last day of the month? |
| 19:33:50 | GRaTT | Bagder: I was wondering if setting last day of month is only a problem on sansa |
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| 19:41:11 | petur | GRaTT: what's the problem then? |
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| 19:44:24 | GRaTT | I am unable to set the date to the end of any month. settings are not accepted. |
| 19:44:24 | Nico_P | GRaTT: are you the one who reported http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7096 ? |
| 19:44:53 | GRaTT | even the calendar showed up odd April 30. May came up but cursor was on day before may 01. |
| 19:46:01 | GRaTT | Nico_P: no I did not see this. I have been trying with a few buidls to see if this is consistant |
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| 19:46:49 | Nico_P | GRaTT: you have problems in the date/time settings screen ? |
| 19:47:03 | petur | works fine on h300 |
| 19:47:33 | Nico_P | works fine on my gigabeat too... I just set the date to may 31st without a problem and it displays in the WPS too |
| 19:47:35 | GRaTT | Nico_P: yes if i try to set the date to the last day of any month it reverts to the default date and 00:00:00 |
| 19:48:08 | Nico_P | GRaTT: It appears to be a problem in the sansa RTC driver |
| 19:49:24 | GRaTT | Nico_P: OK as long as it is known. I was poking around but unable to find where to begin a fix. |
| 19:49:50 | GRaTT | gotta go thanks for listening |
| 19:49:54 | GRaTT | bye |
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| 20:02:45 | webguest73 | Hi |
| 20:04:03 | Nico_P | webguest73: hi |
| 20:05:33 | webguest73 | A question, I'm trying to create wps's for rockbox on ipod 4g |
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| 20:15:10 | * | pixelma wonders what the question is ;) |
| 20:17:22 | petur | after 10 minutes? |
| 20:17:45 | markun | webguest73: so what is the question? |
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| 20:20:53 | * | markun just booked his flight to sweden |
| 20:21:42 | * | petur adds another bottle of beer to shopping list ;) |
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| 20:23:23 | Domonoky | comment for SoapsSealofApproval: the themes should contain a licence (GPL or something) for the theme and Graphics .. |
| 20:23:39 | petur | Domonoky: edit wiki ;) |
| 20:25:38 | Domonoky | done :-) |
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| 20:32:21 | aldo | Hi World |
| 20:33:15 | markun | hi aldo |
| 20:33:54 | markun | what brings you here? |
| 20:34:37 | aldo | hi there, |
| 20:34:54 | aldo | just getting into rockbox culture |
| 20:35:07 | aldo | just added to my iPod 4g |
| 20:35:15 | markun | great |
| 20:35:32 | aldo | trying to create wps's |
| 20:35:32 | markun | unfortunately the ipods are not the best supported rockbox targets |
| 20:35:52 | aldo | it works pretty nice though |
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| 20:36:27 | markun | yes, good enough I guess |
| 20:36:55 | aldo | what are the cons for ipod/rockbox? |
| 20:37:26 | Domonoky | bad battery life.. |
| 20:37:27 | markun | reduced runtime |
| 20:37:49 | markun | about half of what you get with apple's firmware I believe |
| 20:37:54 | aldo | yep, i've noticed that |
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| 20:39:53 | aldo | what are you goys up to lately? |
| 20:40:01 | aldo | guys |
| 20:41:43 | markun | getting ready for the Developer's Conference and Google's Summer of Code |
| 20:42:02 | aldo | where is gonne be? |
| 20:42:06 | Domonoky | when is official start of GSoc ? |
| 20:42:39 | intgr | Whenever you can find the time, I guess. |
| 20:42:55 | intgr | The projects have officially been acknowledged, AFAIK. |
| 20:43:19 | markun | Domonoky: 28th of may I think |
| 20:43:29 | Domonoky | okey, thx markun |
| 20:43:33 | markun | aldo: Stokholm, but also one in the USA |
| 20:43:51 | aldo | nice |
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| 20:45:41 | markun | I emailed analog.com to ask which DAPs are using their Blackfin CPU, they replied to me that I could make my own and sell it with rockbox :) |
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| 20:49:33 | aldo | markun:what is your project for GSOC? |
| 20:50:19 | markun | aldo: I will be mentoring the real-time text-to-speech task |
| 20:51:38 | aldo | markun:who are you working for? |
| 20:51:48 | markun | what do you mean? |
| 20:52:13 | markun | ah, the project is rockbox (of course) |
| 20:52:46 | aldo | I see a long list of mentoring organizations in SGoc web page |
| 20:53:06 | aldo | just wandering which one was yours |
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| 20:53:45 | markun | I thought your question "what are you goys up to lately?" was rockbox specific |
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| 20:54:17 | markun | so I didn't think I had to mention the GSoC project |
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| 20:57:42 | GRaTT | I just updated using a sansa and now after starting the screen goes blank. I need to press a button to see display. |
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| 20:58:01 | GRaTT | the button press activates the backlight and does the button action |
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| 20:58:25 | GRaTT | even though i have it set to only turn on the backlight on first button press |
| 20:58:49 | JerryLange | How do i "unsubscribe from a flyspray patch? |
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| 21:01:24 | obo | Visit the task page, make sure you're logged in, and click on "Stop watching this task" |
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| 21:02:55 | JerryLange | is there any way to have your account information sent to you via email? i think i created 2 accounts with 2 different emails |
| 21:04:04 | obo | The history tab will show you which accounts are watching which tasks... I don't know what the recovery procedure is though. |
| 21:04:36 | Hilikus | hey guys, i have a question about the sim, it says that anything in the archos dir is like the root directory in my player, can i that way update rockbox to use my patched build or to use a patched build you have to compile the sim directly with it? |
| 21:04:57 | Hilikus | basically just replacing .rockbox inside archos |
| 21:05:00 | markun | you have to compile |
| 21:05:05 | Hilikus | :S |
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| 21:05:53 | Hilikus | for some reason the sim that i build doesnt behave the same as my actual player, in the sim a load a wps and it doesnt show the custom background, but in my player it does, any ideas why could that be |
| 21:07:01 | JerryLange | i thought of all the user names i could think of to send a password recovery thing but none of em worked. lets hope im not watching that patch anymore. |
| 21:07:05 | JerryLange | how old is your sim? |
| 21:07:27 | Hilikus | i compiled it yesterday, and its the coded was checked out like 5 days ago |
| 21:07:46 | Hilikus | its the same code i used to build my normal rockbox for my player |
| 21:07:52 | Hilikus | this is in linux |
| 21:09:50 | Hilikus | the problem is its supposed to be a cover art wps, i patched the build and it my player it doesnt show the cover art so i tried to use the sim and in the sim it doesnt even show the background |
| 21:10:05 | GRaTT | added bug report fs# 7097: Sansa unable to SET last day of any month |
| 21:10:09 | Hilikus | background image that is, it does use the background color |
| 21:11:03 | Hilikus | im pretty sure its the wps file but i want to be able to check and play with it in a sim |
| 21:12:14 | Hilikus | the theme is kind of old and ive read about a lot of problems with the variables used in the wps file |
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| 21:13:54 | pixelma | and you are sure that the background image is in the correct place too in your sim? |
| 21:14:37 | intgr | Race conditions from different timing characteristics? |
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| 21:26:29 | Hilikus | yes, i do the same thing i did in my player, unzip the wps file in .rockbox so the structure is preserved and the bg image goes to the right directory, i cant remembet the name, backhead or something with back |
| 21:26:59 | Hilikus | backdrop |
| 21:27:32 | Hilikus | is there a way to kind of debug wps? |
| 21:28:00 | Domonoky | i think the sim gives debug output for wps |
| 21:28:18 | Hilikus | where? |
| 21:28:29 | Domonoky | i think there is a commandline switch to acivate it, forgot the name.. |
| 21:28:40 | Hilikus | ok, im going to look it up |
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| 21:29:19 | Domonoky | its −−debugwps |
| 21:29:27 | tucoz | pixelma, around? |
| 21:29:38 | Hilikus | nice, thanks |
| 21:29:51 | Domonoky | Hilikus: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl?date=20070501 at the beginning of the log .. |
| 21:30:04 | Hilikus | last question, how do i build my sim for windows? i build it in linux and obviously it only works in linux |
| 21:30:23 | Hilikus | thanks Domonoky |
| 21:30:45 | Domonoky | you have to crosscompile, with minggw ? |
| 21:31:04 | Domonoky | i dont know how to do it, but its possible :-) |
| 21:31:25 | Hilikus | nah its ok, ill use the sim in linux only, thats where i build rockbox anyway |
| 21:31:36 | pixelma | tucoz: yes I am |
| 21:32:05 | tucoz | know of a working pastebin? |
| 21:32:30 | pixelma | I only know pastebin.ca |
| 21:32:43 | Hilikus | how can i search for stuff in the wiki!! i never find documents that i know are there, like the cover art entry, i go to rockbox.org/wiki/docsIndex and its not there |
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| 21:33:21 | Domonoky | Hilikus: use the search link at the top.. |
| 21:33:22 | Hilikus | thats the only index of the wiki i know if |
| 21:33:32 | Domonoky | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebSearch |
| 21:33:57 | Hilikus | mmm i always thought that was for the site, not the wiki, sorry |
| 21:34:17 | tucoz | pixelma, could you take a look at this: http://paste.lisp.org/display/40621 |
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| 21:35:33 | pixelma | will take a look |
| 21:37:10 | tucoz | The first mention of e.g. files and database is just a brief mentioning of them. but i am not sure |
| 21:37:53 | Hilikus | oh wait! whats the differente between backdrops and background in a theme?? |
| 21:39:52 | pixelma | tucoz: my first thought when reading the first idea is that subchapters (and their numbers) can get quit confusing - for example in the plugin section |
| 21:41:21 | tucoz | i think i agree :) |
| 21:41:47 | pixelma | Hilikus: the backdrop is used for everything (menus, etc.). You can specify a background for your wps only with a wps-tag. This image must be stored in your wps's image folder |
| 21:42:09 | Hilikus | ohhhh that i didnt know, i thought they were the same thing |
| 21:42:29 | tucoz | maybe just start a wikipage where we can work with a possible restructure and end up with something eventually |
| 21:42:32 | Hilikus | that helps me troubleshooting my problem, thanks! |
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| 21:44:07 | pixelma | tucoz: that's a good idea |
| 21:45:05 | tucoz | i'll try and be a little more involved from now on then |
| 21:45:12 | tucoz | bbl |
| 21:45:21 | pixelma | nice |
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| 22:02:38 | webguest29 | s |
| 22:02:39 | webguest29 | m' |
| 22:03:06 | Hilikus | hey, %xl according to the wiki is relative to .rockbox\ but all the wps ive found have the images in .rockbox\wps\<nameOfTheTheme> and the .wps files specify %xl with just a filename, which makes me believe that its looking for them in .rockbox, what is wrong with my logic?? |
| 22:04:37 | bluebrother | the image tags loook in /.rockbox/wps/<nameofwps> |
| 22:04:59 | webguest29 | hey , i got a terrible problem .... accidently reset the font colo and now i cannot see anything what should i do? |
| 22:05:22 | Pimpdaddypayne | i wonder if re-installing rockbox would fix that? |
| 22:05:27 | Pimpdaddypayne | unzipping the rockbox.zip again |
| 22:05:39 | Hilikus | %xl|n|filename|x|y| −−-> filename = filename (relative to /.rockbox/ and including .bmp) |
| 22:05:40 | GodEater_ | webguest29: which DAP ? |
| 22:05:54 | webguest29 | DAP??? |
| 22:05:59 | Hilikus | thats what the wiki says bluebrother, is it wrong? |
| 22:06:13 | bluebrother | Hilikus, no, that's the way it is intended to work |
| 22:06:22 | webguest29 | Download accelerator plus? |
| 22:06:28 | bluebrother | webguest29, Digital Audio Player |
| 22:06:44 | webguest29 | dunno wat that is |
| 22:06:44 | Hilikus | but you say it looks in /.rockbox/wps not /.rockbox/ |
| 22:06:59 | webguest29 | its jsut the letters dissapear in the backgrond pic |
| 22:07:03 | bluebrother | solution 1: remove /.rockbox/config.cfg in disk mode and reboot |
| 22:07:20 | bluebrother | solution 2: reset the settings by pressing the apropriate button upon boot. |
| 22:07:30 | bluebrother | that button is dependend on the type of player |
| 22:07:41 | webguest29 | ipod videp |
| 22:07:44 | webguest29 | 6g |
| 22:07:48 | webguest29 | 5g |
| 22:07:54 | Pimpdaddypayne | 6gig! woot |
| 22:07:56 | webguest29 | 60gb |
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| 22:08:38 | webguest29 | as i remember there is a file that automatically updates to the newest rockbox version right? |
| 22:08:43 | bluebrother | Hilikus, that %xl line you gave looks for /.rockbox/wps/<wpsbasename>/filename |
| 22:09:08 | bluebrother | webguest29, how should rockbox be able updating itself without a net connection? Or what do you mean? |
| 22:09:25 | webguest29 | throuigh the com |
| 22:09:38 | webguest29 | auutoupdater orseomthing? |
| 22:09:51 | bluebrother | Hilikus, the wiki is a bit outdated −− the documentation effort concentrated on the manual recently |
| 22:10:00 | bluebrother | webguest29, how should this work? |
| 22:10:23 | Hilikus | ok, i got it, i still think the wiki is wrong, if you tell me just a filename without a full path (file.bmp) and tell me its relative to c:\ i assume its looking for (full path) c:\file.bmp |
| 22:10:37 | webguest29 | as i remmembered its something like a bat file then it opens in cmd |
| 22:10:40 | Hilikus | thanks a lot bluebrother |
| 22:10:55 | bluebrother | what is the wiki page name? It might be wrong. |
| 22:11:03 | Hilikus | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
| 22:11:54 | bluebrother | the wiki is wrong |
| 22:12:18 | Hilikus | ok, thanks |
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| 22:13:13 | bluebrother | but the manual is wrong on that too. |
| 22:13:35 | webguest29 | how can i solve my font problem? |
| 22:14:06 | Hilikus | i thought i had figured out why a theme wasnt showing the images :( |
| 22:14:35 | Hilikus | webguest29 i think someone answered you already |
| 22:14:47 | bluebrother | Hilikus, you could build the simulator and run it with the −−debugwps switch. That shows a lot debugging information about the wps |
| 22:15:11 | webguest29 | solution 1: remove /.rockbox/config.cfg in disk mode and reboot and solution 2: reset the settings by pressing the apropriate button upon boot. |
| 22:15:41 | webguest29 | when u mean remove u mean just delete it? btw any defects on my ipod video? |
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| 22:17:40 | bluebrother | reboot the ipod. When the backlight comes up (apple logo is still shown) enable the hold key |
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| 22:17:56 | bluebrother | a splash "cleared" appears and all settings are reset to the defaults. |
| 22:18:59 | bluebrother | you might want to just remove the color setting line from the file /.rockbox/config.cfg in disk mode as that doesn't reset all settings |
| 22:19:05 | webguest29 | umm its kinda hard to exaplin but i kinda got the ipod loader (working)for my ipod linux(does not work) does the hold button work? |
| 22:19:29 | bluebrother | the ipod has a hardware hold button. I think it's at the top of the ipod |
| 22:19:40 | bluebrother | at least it's at the top of my ipod, don't know about the 5G |
| 22:19:53 | bluebrother | and, are you using IPL's bootloader? |
| 22:20:12 | thegeek | it's at the top left |
| 22:20:16 | thegeek | on my 5.5G |
| 22:20:20 | webguest29 | yea |
| 22:20:42 | bluebrother | the manual has an image describing the positions of the buttons including the hold switch |
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| 22:21:04 | webguest29 | umm is there a safer way |
| 22:21:13 | webguest29 | like the cfg file |
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| 22:22:40 | bluebrother | I really don't understand your problem. You have two options, and none is unsafe. It will just reset the settings |
| 22:22:56 | bluebrother | so how could there be a "safer" way? |
| 22:23:02 | webguest29 | i got 3 acrually |
| 22:24:04 | webguest29 | i'll stick with this solution 1: remove /.rockbox/config.cfg in disk mode and reboot |
| 22:24:29 | Bagder | or just edit out the stuff you want to remove |
| 22:24:40 | webguest29 | edit? |
| 22:24:46 | Bagder | edit |
| 22:24:58 | webguest29 | i mean wat u mean by edit |
| 22:25:19 | petur | change the cfg file |
| 22:25:22 | EbErT | open it up with your friendly text edit or notepad :) |
| 22:25:34 | bluebrother | "edit" means "edit". What else should it mean? |
| 22:25:44 | Bagder | if you don't know what edit a file means, then I won't say much more |
| 22:25:56 | webguest29 | umm edit the cfg file on my .rockbox root? |
| 22:26:17 | * | ender` yawns |
| 22:26:46 | * | petur waits until ender` quits and hopes he'll have a good quitmsg |
| 22:26:58 | webguest29 | rofl |
| 22:27:04 | ender` | heh, you'll wait for that :) |
| 22:27:14 | bluebrother | webguest29, I already gave you the exact path of the file you need to edit. Of course this is relative to your player as the configuration of the player unsurprisingly isn't saved on your PC but on the player itself |
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| 22:28:50 | webguest29 | so i just delete it and everythings fine? |
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| 22:30:58 | bluebrother | I already answered that question. |
| 22:31:22 | webguest29 | ok great thx workin |
| 22:31:51 | webguest29 | but i bisted my ipod middlebutton lol |
| 22:32:02 | webguest29 | busted* |
| 22:32:48 | webguest29 | how can i enter rockbox ithout rebootin the ipod |
| 22:34:02 | bluebrother | the Rockbox bootloader loads Rockbox. That's the default. |
| 22:34:20 | bluebrother | and you can't change that order (except if you change it in the source code and recompiler yourself) |
| 22:34:55 | EbErT | if you can't use the middle button, thats no good |
| 22:35:04 | EbErT | can't boot back to original firmware |
| 22:35:30 | Hilikus | oh man, you guys are very patient |
| 22:35:33 | EbErT | browse through the manual before you get confused tho, i had to |
| 22:35:49 | bluebrother | the current bootloader uses the hold key to load AppleOS |
| 22:35:54 | ender` | oh, is the rockbox project in need of any more build servers? |
| 22:36:02 | webguest29 | ahhh crap .... |
| 22:36:14 | webguest29 | so there isn't any other ption? |
| 22:36:25 | webguest29 | option* |
| 22:36:29 | bluebrother | than what? Rockbox _is_ loaded as default. |
| 22:36:46 | TrueJournals | ender`: I'm pretty sure they could always use more build servers |
| 22:36:56 | bluebrother | if you use a different bootloader than our official one don't ask, we only support our own bootloader |
| 22:37:33 | webguest29 | umm ok ..... wat bootlader u r using? |
| 22:37:46 | Hilikus | hey how can people help the project? i am a programmer and i would be willing to help |
| 22:37:54 | bluebrother | no, the question is: what bootloader are _you_ using. |
| 22:38:06 | bluebrother | we support ONLY the official Rockbox bootloader. |
| 22:38:12 | ender` | i've got an E4400 in my fileserver, and i'm pretty sure the CPU is underused |
| 22:38:15 | Bagder | Hilikus: find a problem, fix it, post the patch! |
| 22:38:22 | webguest29 | ok i amusing the ipl loader now but i can change it |
| 22:38:44 | bluebrother | we don't support the IPL bootloader. Use ours or ask the guys who wrote the IPL loader. |
| 22:38:59 | bluebrother | Hilikus, you could also help with the manual if you like to. |
| 22:39:05 | webguest29 | any link where i can download it |
| 22:39:06 | Hilikus | so the patch system is how it work eh? i thought patches were only unofficial features like, i want rockbox to do my homework and stuff like that |
| 22:39:28 | bluebrother | webguest29, read the manual. It has the official way of installing Rockbox, and that includes the official files. |
| 22:39:32 | Bagder | Hilikus: the patch tracker is where non-committers submit their work |
| 22:39:41 | Bagder | good or bad, big or small |
| 22:40:01 | Hilikus | i dont know, i took a course in techincal writing but english is not my first language :S |
| 22:40:12 | Hilikus | ok i see |
| 22:40:29 | webguest29 | if i wana update my rockbox then i gotta remove all the old files then there is 1 more thing i gotta do as i can remember |
| 22:40:29 | bluebrother | Hilikus, no, patches are the way to submit changes. Some create unofficial builds from that (including patches that won't get integrated into svn because of some reasons) |
| 22:41:02 | bluebrother | Hilikus, that's not an issue −− english isn't my mother tongue too, and I'm working on the manual since quite a while (but not much time recently) |
| 22:42:01 | bluebrother | so if you find errors in the manual you could post patches against the manual sources too. Help is greatly appreciated ;-) |
| 22:42:33 | * | tucoz agrees with bluebrother |
| 22:42:43 | bluebrother | hey tucoz ;-) |
| 22:42:45 | tucoz | hi |
| 22:42:49 | Hilikus | ok, i didnt see anything weird when i read it except some missing menu items |
| 22:44:01 | webguest29 | if i wana update my rockbox then i gotta remove all the old files then there is 1 more thing i gotta do as i can remember (i must copy something over right?) |
| 22:44:16 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 22:44:21 | tucoz | webguest29, simply unzip the rockbox.zip to the root of your player |
| 22:44:27 | tucoz | no need to delete anything |
| 22:44:35 | bluebrother | webguest29, you don't need to repeat yourself. I don't see an answerable question in your line, so I didn't answer ... |
| 22:45:02 | webguest29 | then thats all? but when i unzip all my codecs are all F***ed up error appears |
| 22:45:19 | bluebrother | webguest29, define "F***ed up error" |
| 22:45:20 | webguest29 | invalid version |
| 22:45:22 | tucoz | that _should_ be all |
| 22:45:31 | bluebrother | then you didn't update correctly. |
| 22:45:39 | webguest29 | hmm |
| 22:45:42 | bluebrother | 1. make sure you don't have a /rockbox.ipod file left |
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| 22:45:58 | bluebrother | 2. make sure you overwrote _all_ files in /.rockbox |
| 22:46:00 | Hilikus | i might come back later to ask about the sim when i get home since the themes dont seem to work. in fact nothing to do with images seem to work, backdrops, backgrounds, custom bars... |
| 22:46:05 | bluebrother | 3. make sure to have a recent bootloader |
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| 22:46:37 | webguest29 | umm okay ... i will try it now |
| 22:46:46 | * | tucoz compiled 15 sims today to be able to update those screenshots :) |
| 22:47:02 | bluebrother | btw, nice to have them updated :) |
| 22:47:14 | Hilikus | what screenshots |
| 22:47:16 | webguest29 | ^^ |
| 22:47:29 | tucoz | Hilikus, for the main menu in the manual |
| 22:47:31 | * | bluebrother still waits for a new default theme so we could "unify" all screenshots |
| 22:47:36 | * | tucoz too |
| 22:47:45 | bluebrother | Hilikus, check the svn log on the front page ;-) |
| 22:47:50 | webguest29 | hey 1 more thing |
| 22:47:56 | Hilikus | i will |
| 22:48:18 | pixelma | tucoz: you forgot something I think |
| 22:48:24 | tucoz | noooooo |
| 22:48:25 | webguest29 | some of the themes of the background pics will rewite each other and some will not work |
| 22:48:36 | tucoz | pixelma, what? |
| 22:48:50 | webguest29 | i downloaded all the themes and it overwites each other making some now work |
| 22:48:59 | webguest29 | not* |
| 22:49:02 | pixelma | tucoz: the M5 would have to use the same screenshot as the Ipod4g (same resolution and without radio) |
| 22:49:35 | pixelma | as opposed to the H1x0s |
| 22:49:45 | tucoz | aha. i see |
| 22:49:51 | pixelma | and with RTC too |
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| 22:50:11 | tucoz | so i simply copy the ipod4g screenshot and make a targetspecifc one for the m5? |
| 22:50:12 | luke28072 | im having a problem with rockbox |
| 22:50:34 | pixelma | yes - copy and rename ( -m5 worked iirc) |
| 22:50:44 | tucoz | :) great |
| 22:50:54 | chrisjs169 | is/would it be possible to have the sansa scrollwheel flash to the beat of the music? (FS7089) |
| 22:51:01 | luke28072 | sometimes when i boot it (5.5G 30GB ipod) it shows the battery cautions symbole |
| 22:51:02 | * | bluebrother hugs the screenshot macro :) |
| 22:51:21 | tucoz | good work bluebrother. it is very good |
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| 22:51:37 | bluebrother | luke28072, you mean the apple battery symbol? |
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| 22:51:54 | bluebrother | luke28072, you mean the apple battery symbol? |
| 22:52:27 | tucoz | do i have to tell svn that it is a binary file i am adding? |
| 22:52:37 | luke28072 | it looks like a battery and then there is a caution siqn( triangle with a question mark) |
| 22:52:42 | bluebrother | tucoz, yes, unless you have autoprops enabled |
| 22:52:58 | tucoz | ok. so similar as cvs svn add -kb? |
| 22:53:03 | bluebrother | you can check this with svn pget svn:mime-type after svn add'ing it |
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| 22:53:49 | bluebrother | no, you need to svn pset svn:mime-type image/png <file.png> |
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| 22:54:07 | bluebrother | but most files use application/octet-stream for that property |
| 22:54:18 | luke28072 | bengston.blogs.com/bengston/images/ipod.jpg |
| 22:54:23 | luke28072 | it looks like this |
| 22:54:25 | bluebrother | as that is more similar to cvs' -kb |
| 22:54:31 | tucoz | ok. i see there is an −−auto-props for add |
| 22:54:38 | tucoz | could i use that? |
| 22:54:50 | bluebrother | haven't used that. Try it ;-) |
| 22:55:10 | bluebrother | luke28072, I get that sometimes too. That's the symbol of apple |
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| 22:55:31 | bluebrother | you can just reboot your ipod with Menu + Select. Works fine for me |
| 22:56:03 | luke28072 | i get it like every other boot, i just boot it with menu and select, its not a problem, its just annoying |
| 22:56:04 | bluebrother | strictly speaking that's not a Rockbox issue as it's apples firmware displaying it. |
| 22:56:06 | tucoz | svn pget svn:mime-type ss-main-menu-160x128x2-m5.png |
| 22:56:11 | tucoz | application/octet-stream |
| 22:56:26 | bluebrother | tucoz, looks good. |
| 22:56:28 | luke28072 | it never happend until Rockbox was installed |
| 22:56:31 | tucoz | cool |
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| 22:56:53 | bluebrother | luke28072, AppleOS doesn't shut down the way Rockbox does −− it only goes to a deep sleep mode |
| 22:57:13 | luke28072 | so why am i getting that symbole? |
| 22:57:16 | chrisjs169 | is FS7089 possible? |
| 22:57:32 | bluebrother | I don't know. The battery seems to be a strange thing on the ipods |
| 22:57:41 | luke28072 | lol, no kidding |
| 22:58:08 | tucoz | see you soon |
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| 22:58:12 | bluebrother | I just had this issue a couple of minutes ago, with the battery charged at about 90% −− rebooting booted fine and shows the correct battery level ... |
| 22:58:15 | webguest43 | bluebrother: please explain again what i have do to clear the invald version |
| 22:58:34 | bluebrother | extract _all_ contents of the zip file to the player. |
| 22:58:51 | webguest43 | in .rockbox root? |
| 22:59:03 | bluebrother | like the manual says. Like you installed Rockbox. |
| 22:59:36 | webguest43 | but u said a couple of minutes ago remove something ipod |
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| 23:01:06 | bluebrother | make sure you don't have /rockbox.ipod left. |
| 23:01:17 | bluebrother | because the location of that file changes recently. |
| 23:01:29 | webguest43 | ahh ok thx i'll remove it |
| 23:01:31 | bluebrother | but I said it before, so you should be aware of it ... |
| 23:01:54 | webguest43 | oh ... |
| 23:02:51 | webguest43 | btw can we run rockbox on not max backlight? |
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| 23:03:05 | webguest43 | i'm being blinded by it |
| 23:03:24 | bluebrother | no. Backlight brightness hasn't been implemented yet iirc. |
| 23:03:42 | bluebrother | you could of course implement it yourself and post a patch ;-) |
| 23:03:49 | webguest43 | oh wat about the mplayer FF and REW? |
| 23:03:54 | bluebrother | no |
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| 23:04:10 | markun | webguest43: jhMikeS will probably work on that |
| 23:04:10 | bluebrother | not implemented yet. Read the wiki page PluginMpegplayer |
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| 23:05:00 | webguest43 | i did |
| 23:05:03 | webguest43 | i was just wondering |
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| 23:05:33 | webguest43 | "<bluebrother> you could of course implement it yourself and post a patch ;-)" i wish i could lol |
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| 23:06:02 | webguest43 | is linuxstb testing out ipod linux? |
| 23:06:11 | | Join secleinteer [0] (n=secleint@70.230.189.24) |
| 23:06:47 | bluebrother | why should he? He is working on Rockbox, if he is working on something else you should ask himself. |
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| 23:07:44 | webguest43 | hahah ok then .. |
| 23:08:16 | webguest43 | btw did linuxstb found a way to FF and REW for the Mplayer |
| 23:09:08 | bluebrother | ask himself. I don't know what he exactly did. If I want to know I can ask him directly, so why should I gather such kind of information? |
| 23:09:30 | webguest43 | ok ... lol |
| 23:09:34 | markun | webguest43: jhMikeS is working on that stuff now |
| 23:10:26 | webguest43 | btw ... the rockbox.ipod must be placed on the ipod root |
| 23:10:34 | webguest43 | not get it deleted |
| 23:10:39 | webguest43 | lol |
| 23:10:49 | bluebrother | webguest43, no. |
| 23:11:13 | bluebrother | unless you use some unofficial method to boot Rockbox (which you obviously do) |
| 23:11:24 | webguest43 | hahha yea |
| 23:12:33 | bluebrother | unofficial bootloader -> unsupported -> if things work different it's out of our scope. We only support the official way (which includes having rockbox.ipod in /.rockbox now) |
| 23:12:57 | webguest43 | are you a moderator for rockbox bluebrother? |
| 23:13:14 | bluebrother | is this of relevance here? |
| 23:14:18 | webguest43 | i was wonderin if other people could update themanual? |
| 23:14:42 | bluebrother | what are "other" people? The manual is maintained through svn like the source is. |
| 23:14:54 | bluebrother | everyone with svn access can make changes to the manual |
| 23:15:09 | webguest43 | hmwhat if someone messes it up? |
| 23:15:26 | bluebrother | then there is the revert command ... |
| 23:15:35 | webguest43 | ahh i see |
| 23:15:47 | bluebrother | (and the same problem could occur with the sources itself btw) |
| 23:16:15 | bluebrother | I can't remember this happening since I'm active at Rockbox |
| 23:16:22 | webguest43 | can i write the program in C since rockbox is written in C? |
| 23:16:35 | bluebrother | what do you mean by "the program"? |
| 23:16:39 | webguest43 | for the mplayer |
| 23:16:49 | bluebrother | what program for what mplayer? |
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| 23:16:57 | webguest43 | FF and REW |
| 23:17:16 | webguest43 | i'll try a few things on mine first and see if it works |
| 23:17:26 | webguest43 | C will definitely work right? |
| 23:17:30 | webguest43 | or C++ |
| 23:17:38 | bluebrother | then you are reffering to the mpegplayer plugin. It's written in C, so you definitely will need C. |
| 23:17:39 | olle46536 | hello |
| 23:17:43 | bluebrother | hello |
| 23:17:44 | TrueJournals | hi |
| 23:17:47 | webguest43 | ahh ok |
| 23:17:55 | olle46536 | i have a problem with E10 and wonder if you could help |
| 23:18:09 | TrueJournals | olle46536: Just ask a question... |
| 23:18:12 | bluebrother | but you might want to talk to jhMikeS about it. |
| 23:18:17 | olle46536 | brb |
| 23:18:21 | bluebrother | olle46536, E10? That's not supported by Rockbox. |
| 23:18:29 | webguest43 | wats E10? |
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| 23:18:54 | bluebrother | I assume he refers to Iriver E10 |
| 23:19:02 | webguest43 | klol |
| 23:19:22 | webguest43 | jkMikeS he is writing 1 too? |
| 23:19:22 | TrueJournals | Yeah... E10 is not supported, so no, we can't help ;-) |
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| 23:19:42 | olle46536 | ok now im back, sry |
| 23:19:44 | webguest43 | wow gonna discuss wheres he up to |
| 23:19:58 | TrueJournals | webguest43: Have you read the IRC guidelines? |
| 23:20:01 | bluebrother | webguest43, he is not writing "one", he is working on that plugin |
| 23:20:02 | webguest43 | jmikeS is afk i guess |
| 23:20:24 | olle46536 | hehe sry but my prob isnt about rockbox, its technical |
| 23:20:28 | webguest43 | i'll try writing 1 to test |
| 23:20:40 | TrueJournals | olle46536: Then I would say that this is not the place to ask |
| 23:20:43 | olle46536 | i onnected my E10 to a 9 volts battery by mistake |
| 23:20:44 | webguest43 | i'll test on mine first to make sure its sage |
| 23:20:48 | TrueJournals | olle46536: Try the misticriver forums |
| 23:20:51 | webguest43 | safe* |
| 23:21:03 | olle46536 | trueojur: yeah i have |
| 23:21:26 | webguest43 | whe u say working on it what other way can u work on it then writing 1? |
| 23:21:33 | bluebrother | webguest43, I really don't know what you are trying to do. Your wording is confusing. |
| 23:21:43 | bluebrother | what the hell is "1"? |
| 23:21:56 | TrueJournals | olle46536: Well, as I said... people try to keep the discussion on rockbox here... especially because the channel is logged and developers sometimes read the logs to see if anything interesting went on |
| 23:22:11 | webguest43 | sorry my room is so dark i cannot tell which key is which |
| 23:22:19 | TrueJournals | webguest43: Once again, have you read the IrcGuidelines? |
| 23:22:34 | webguest43 | not yet |
| 23:22:42 | bluebrother | webguest43, then please do so |
| 23:22:48 | TrueJournals | You should read those: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoapSealofApproval?topic=IrcGuidelines |
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| 23:23:08 | webguest43 | wats that for? |
| 23:23:13 | buleeahn | Ooh...this channel *does* exist. |
| 23:23:14 | olle46536 | btw, how is the progress going regarding E10? |
| 23:23:15 | * | buleeahn dances |
| 23:23:37 | olle46536 | are you able to program for these samsung CP-Us? |
| 23:23:39 | TrueJournals | webguest43: The IrcGuidelines dictate how to act on this channel |
| 23:23:42 | bluebrother | olle46536, there is no progress. You might want to look in the New Ports forums if there is any discussion about it already |
| 23:23:55 | olle46536 | ok, ill give it a try |
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| 23:24:12 | olle46536 | "may the force be with you", gnight |
| 23:24:19 | webguest43 | i guess the typo's i make is really bad i turned on the lights btw |
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| 23:25:27 | buleeahn | Is anyone using a recent release of rockbox on an ipod (preferably a 5th generation ipod)? |
| 23:25:38 | webguest43 | here |
| 23:25:40 | TrueJournals | webguest43: "Use clear, grammatical, correctly-spelled english." "btw" is not a word... |
| 23:26:04 | bluebrother | TrueJournals: right, but "btw" is widely accepted. A bit of irc terminology is ok |
| 23:26:23 | webguest43 | ummm in't btw self explanatory for "by the way" |
| 23:26:38 | TrueJournals | bluebrother: Ah, OK |
| 23:26:41 | buleeahn | TrueJounals You're trying to get someone on irc to type complete, properly punctuated, and capitalized sentences. I sincerely wish you the best of luck. |
| 23:26:47 | bluebrother | no, it's not self explanatory, especially if you are not familiar with irc and not a native speaker |
| 23:26:53 | TrueJournals | buleeahn: Thanks, I think I'll need it. |
| 23:27:03 | webguest43 | umm i am ... |
| 23:27:15 | | Join dark [0] (i=xbots@unaffiliated/darkx) |
| 23:27:24 | webguest43 | i'll rename myself |
| 23:27:34 | bluebrother | webguest43: most of the people in this channel are not. |
| 23:27:43 | webguest43 | oh |
| 23:27:54 | | Nick webguest43 is now known as Administrator (i=7d19ccd9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d90d02a77523f352) |
| 23:28:02 | bluebrother | I'm not, and I haven't understood what you want to do with that mpegplayer thing you wrote earlier |
| 23:28:11 | petur | rofl |
| 23:28:29 | * | TrueJournals rolls his eyes |
| 23:28:34 | * | bluebrother notices a really really ... broken nick |
| 23:28:34 | Administrator | *sigh* i'll let you know if i am done |
| 23:28:50 | buleeahn | lol |
| 23:29:00 | | Nick blithe_ is now known as blithe (n=blithe@shrv-c-068.resnet.purdue.edu) |
| 23:29:05 | Administrator | this is the admins word so you know its the truth |
| 23:29:07 | buleeahn | I was wanting to ask about ipod battery life, but this is more fun to watch. |
| 23:29:14 | bluebrother | rotfl |
| 23:29:32 | Administrator | see my name for reference if you didn't notice |
| 23:29:42 | TrueJournals | I don't even know what to say to that... |
| 23:29:43 | bluebrother | anyone who names himself "Administrator" or "root" isn't taken seriously by me :D |
| 23:29:53 | Administrator | =P |
| 23:30:03 | scorche | or 14m73h1337? |
| 23:30:12 | | Nick Administrator is now known as Root_Administrat (i=7d19ccd9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d90d02a77523f352) |
| 23:30:24 | | Nick Root_Administrat is now known as Root_Admin (i=7d19ccd9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d90d02a77523f352) |
| 23:30:29 | * | petur notices nick 'root' is already taken |
| 23:30:30 | Root_Admin | its too long |
| 23:30:34 | bluebrother | *sic* |
| 23:30:36 | * | TrueJournals sighs |
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| 23:30:39 | xxbarrxx | hey |
| 23:30:42 | TrueJournals | hey |
| 23:30:51 | xxbarrxx | is there a way to change the backround to a custom backround |
| 23:31:06 | petur | xxbarrxx: yes, rtfm |
| 23:31:14 | TrueJournals | xxbarrxx: Yes, but you will need to have the background at the exact size of your player's screen and be in BMP format |
| 23:31:53 | xxbarrxx | i tried downloading the flamebox theme and changing the pic to a custom picture (same size,bmp everything) and it just went black |
| 23:32:31 | petur | xxbarrxx: maybe you saved as RLE? |
| 23:32:35 | Root_Admin | by the way , when i convert using WinFF the videos stil lag how can this be improved |
| 23:32:36 | xxbarrxx | ? |
| 23:32:49 | TrueJournals | Root_Admin: What player are you using? |
| 23:32:58 | bluebrother | by optimizing the mpeg player plugin |
| 23:33:15 | Root_Admin | mplayer (newest build updated 2 minutes ago) |
| 23:33:21 | buleeahn | petur: What does RLE stand for? |
| 23:33:22 | | Quit JazzBone (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 23:33:24 | TrueJournals | Root_Admin: Meant which DAP |
| 23:33:31 | petur | xxbarrxx: make sure it's a plain normal BMP of correct size |
| 23:33:45 | bluebrother | we have mpegplayer, not mplayer. mplayer is a video player for *nix |
| 23:33:46 | petur | rle is a compressed bmp |
| 23:33:59 | buleeahn | thx |
| 23:34:02 | markun | and stands for run-length-encoding |
| 23:34:20 | * | petur was too lazy to type that |
| 23:34:56 | Root_Admin | yes mpegplayer , so gow can this be solved? |
| 23:35:02 | Root_Admin | how* |
| 23:35:10 | TrueJournals | Root_Admin: Will you answer my question? Which DAP are you using? |
| 23:35:14 | bluebrother | by optimizing the mpeg player plugin |
| 23:35:20 | xxbarrxx | 24 bit 256 color? |
| 23:35:21 | Root_Admin | wats DAP? |
| 23:35:23 | xxbarrxx | which ones |
| 23:35:39 | TrueJournals | Root_Admin: Digital Audio Player (ex: iPod 5G, iriver H10, ...) |
| 23:35:40 | Root_Admin | how can i optimize it for my G5 |
| 23:35:51 | Root_Admin | yea 5g |
| 23:36:13 | petur | xxbarrxx: 24bit should be ok I think |
| 23:36:17 | Root_Admin | Digital audio player? wats that for? |
| 23:36:22 | buleeahn | Ipod 5g? Interesting. |
| 23:36:26 | TrueJournals | Root_Admin: The iPod 5G is horrible at playing videos under rockbox because the developers don't really know how to use the processor, and mpegplayer is very unoptimized. |
| 23:36:53 | Root_Admin | so the videos cannot be unlagged right? |
| 23:37:12 | EbErT | its horrible at scrolling, even in default software |
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| 23:37:38 | TrueJournals | Root_Admin: They might be able to, but a lot of work needs to be done... If you want to watch videos on your iPod 5G, you're much better off just booting into the original firmware. |
| 23:37:43 | Root_Admin | LOL |
| 23:37:47 | buleeahn | TrueJournals: When I last tried rockbox it seemed like ipod support was there, but the developers weren't quite sure about many things with the ipod. What you're saying makes it sound like that's the case.... |
| 23:37:48 | Root_Admin | i bet bluebrother is regretting for buying just ipod now |
| 23:38:05 | buleeahn | TrueJournals: So, how much as the rockbox matured for the ipod in the last 4-5 months? |
| 23:38:06 | TrueJournals | It's not the videos that are lagging, it's the player |
| 23:38:06 | Root_Admin | *his pod now* |
| 23:38:18 | TrueJournals | buleeahn: I don't really know, I don't have an iPod :-\ |
| 23:38:22 | buleeahn | bummer |
| 23:38:37 | Root_Admin | haha i ahve an ipod |
| 23:38:39 | Root_Admin | ts lags really really bad |
| 23:38:40 | TrueJournals | Pretty much all I know about rockbox, I've learned from just observing this channel |
| 23:38:45 | buleeahn | I do to. a 5G at that. |
| 23:38:48 | xxbarrxx | 24bit is horrible there is absolutly no color |
| 23:38:51 | xxbarrxx | its xgarrrrbage |
| 23:38:56 | EbErT | things work a lot better, blueeahn. battery is still a mystery tho |
| 23:38:56 | Root_Admin | yea i ahve a 5g too |
| 23:39:00 | buleeahn | TrueJournals: Obsessing, lol. |
| 23:39:07 | xxbarrxx | i went into paint and oppened it up |
| 23:39:10 | xxbarrxx | saved it as a 256 color |
| 23:39:11 | TrueJournals | Whatever you want to call it ;-) |
| 23:39:13 | xxbarrxx | or something like that |
| 23:39:24 | petur | xxbarrxx: can you put that bmp online somewhere? |
| 23:39:29 | xxbarrxx | sure |
| 23:39:34 | buleeahn | EbErT: That was my big issue, battery life. I *LOVE* rockbox, it's just that the battery life was horrible on the initial versions of rockbox. |
| 23:39:39 | xxbarrxx | can i give you the jpeg though |
| 23:39:42 | Root_Admin | there is an option to tuen on the ram does it actually do anything? |
| 23:40:00 | bluebrother | why should I regret buying an ipod? |
| 23:40:02 | Root_Admin | turn* |
| 23:40:04 | TrueJournals | Root_Admin: rockbox is using the RAM I believe... |
| 23:40:20 | petur | xxbarrxx: that won't help, the whole point is to see if you're making the correct type of bmp |
| 23:40:26 | TrueJournals | Well, unfortunately, I have to go... see ya |
| 23:40:28 | petur | and make it 24bit |
| 23:40:29 | | Part TrueJournals |
| 23:40:43 | * | bluebrother doesn't regret buying an ipod at all |
| 23:40:51 | Root_Admin | but i can turn it off lol ... strange option even though its forced to be turned on |
| 23:41:00 | * | markun doesn't regret buying a Gigabeat at all |
| 23:41:08 | Root_Admin | bluebrother i was joking lol |
| 23:41:19 | * | bluebrother would buy a gigabeat if he had the money |
| 23:41:27 | * | petur doesn't regret buying an h340 and making an h380 of it |
| 23:41:33 | bluebrother | still, I like the h120 best. |
| 23:41:39 | Root_Admin | which is more expensive? an ipod 5g or gigabeat? |
| 23:41:40 | xxbarrxx | here is the file |
| 23:41:42 | xxbarrxx | http://rapidshare.com/files/28973620/flamebox.jpg |
| 23:41:46 | xxbarrxx | i want that to be my backround |
| 23:41:48 | EbErT | buleeahn: it charges real nice now, and only stutters occasionally. have you not put rockbox on your ipod? |
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| 23:42:17 | xxbarrxx | can someone format it for me |
| 23:42:21 | xxbarrxx | i tried myself |
| 23:42:22 | xxbarrxx | and it didnt work |
| 23:42:41 | buleeahn | EbErT: I put rockbox on my ipod a long time ago. I tried ipodlinux and discovered rockbox too. I totally loved the way the interface was customizable but even more I love the CONTINUOUS mp3 playing from one track to another. |
| 23:42:58 | xxbarrxx | im sure someone could do it quick and then upload the new one back into the rapidshar |
| 23:43:28 | markun | Root_Admin: a Gigabeat F40 can be found for around $100 on ebay |
| 23:43:39 | Root_Admin | hey the battery life of my ipod is draining so fast is it the ipl or the rockbox? |
| 23:43:44 | buleeahn | EbErT: I have a lot of albums that are continuous so this is a huge deal for me. I put rockbox on my ipod shortly after rockbox supported the ipod when it hadn't been optimized for the ipod much. The battery did not last long at all under rockbox, so I couldn't use it. |
| 23:43:45 | markun | I don't know what an ipod 5g costs |
| 23:43:45 | Root_Admin | HAHAHAHAH |
| 23:43:59 | Root_Admin | $399 prolly |
| 23:44:11 | EbErT | i'd try it again, its a LOT better now, depending on some things |
| 23:44:14 | markun | but then you have the 60GB version? |
| 23:44:34 | markun | Root_Admin: both ipl and rockbox drain the battery pretty hard if you use an ipod |
| 23:44:45 | Root_Admin | accessories i bought isn't worth the squeez after buting the inear headphones |
| 23:44:48 | buleeahn | EbErT: A LOT? That's good news. I'm here to find out how much it's matured for the ipod. What things does it depend on? |
| 23:44:54 | petur | xxbarrxx: what player do you have? |
| 23:45:02 | | Part xxbarrxx |
| 23:45:10 | Root_Admin | WHAT???????????? the battery drain is so hard it finishes in 2 hours |
| 23:45:32 | Root_Admin | markun: yes i ahve the 60gb version |
| 23:45:34 | EbErT | i was talking about battery life. just give it a try! |
| 23:45:38 | scorche | Root_Admin: please...the caps and overstated comments are not necessary |
| 23:45:52 | buleeahn | EbErT: Cool, I certainly will, thanks for the news. |
| 23:45:54 | EbErT | all you have to do is run the bootloader real quick, and update the .rockbox folder as needed |
| 23:45:59 | Root_Admin | scorche: ok fine =P |
| 23:46:10 | buleeahn | Yeah, I think I've still got the old rockbox on my ipod in hopes that it would mature. |
| 23:46:28 | buleeahn | Rockbox, if I recall correctly, reads the apple mp3 database, right? |
| 23:46:37 | BHSPitMonkey | no, it builds its own. |
| 23:46:39 | Root_Admin | is there anyway to reduce the drainage of myipod's battery drainage |
| 23:47:00 | EbErT | it can read what you've put in via itunes, then builds its own database |
| 23:47:07 | EbErT | which has many more options |
| 23:47:09 | buleeahn | Ah, that's what I thought. |
| 23:47:21 | BHSPitMonkey | why would it limit you to wav, mp3, and aac |
| 23:47:23 | buleeahn | I use the itunes database with a Linux app, so I like the itunes database for that. |
| 23:47:40 | Root_Admin | lol duping in itunes i know that and yes continuous music for a day whereas in rockbox its like 5 hours |
| 23:47:58 | buleeahn | Root_Admin: Are you talking about music playing battery life, or video playing battery life? |
| 23:48:11 | Root_Admin | music dor ipod |
| 23:48:16 | Root_Admin | for* |
| 23:48:18 | buleeahn | k |
| 23:48:21 | scorche | on the 5th gens, rockbox seems to consume the battery in around half the time |
| 23:48:29 | Root_Admin | yea |
| 23:48:37 | Root_Admin | u mean 1/4th |
| 23:48:45 | scorche | no i mean 1/2th |
| 23:49:07 | Root_Admin | when i say 1 day its like 20 hours but rockbox its like 5 hours |
| 23:49:19 | scorche | and you have timed this? |
| 23:49:21 | Root_Admin | so 3/4 faster than normal |
| 23:49:30 | Root_Admin | thats an approx |
| 23:49:44 | Root_Admin | since i usually listen nearly 24/7 |
| 23:49:56 | Root_Admin | even when sleepin (allarm purposes) |
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| 23:50:26 | Root_Admin | maybe my battery is gonna give up thats yits like that |
| 23:51:13 | Root_Admin | for you infor backlight is 20sec if u wana calculate |
| 23:51:23 | scorche | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=IpodRuntime |
| 23:51:33 | scorche | as i said...about half |
| 23:51:52 | buleeahn | Root_Admin: Have you timed the exact run time from full charge to dead in the apple firmware *and* the rockbox firmware? |
| 23:52:12 | buleeahn | scorche: useful url, thanks for that |
| 23:52:17 | scorche | time it expressly for this purpose following http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BatteryRuntime |
| 23:52:25 | Root_Admin | 9 hours? impossible |
| 23:52:35 | Root_Admin | i barly passed 6 |
| 23:52:41 | Root_Admin | barely* |
| 23:52:51 | scorche | so just because you didnt get there, it means it is impossible? |
| 23:53:31 | Root_Admin | lol btw its 191 bitrate right? |
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| 23:53:53 | scorche | apparently, his test was |
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| 23:53:57 | buleeahn | wow, 11 hours runtime, I like! |
| 23:54:00 | Root_Admin | mine is usually 320 |
| 23:54:06 | Root_Admin | hmm |
| 23:54:20 | buleeahn | Root_Admin: Did you encode the mp3's yourself? |
| 23:54:37 | buleeahn | scorche: Do you have any idea of the battery/ipod age for the tests listed on that page? |
| 23:54:45 | Root_Admin | nope |
| 23:54:54 | scorche | buleeahn: of course not |
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| 23:55:12 | Root_Admin | lol mines over a year now lol |
| 23:55:16 | buleeahn | Root_Admin: Where did you get those mp3's from? |
| 23:55:19 | markun | Root_Admin: lol |
| 23:55:25 | markun | I guess |
| 23:55:47 | Root_Admin | hmm .... do i really ahve to say lol |
| 23:56:08 | Root_Admin | its in full albums i guess you got some ideas now lol |
| 23:56:29 | buleeahn | lol |
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| 23:56:52 | buleeahn | uh |
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| 23:57:03 | buleeahn | That's not what I'm getting at, I hate the RIAA... |
| 23:57:10 | Root_Admin | especiall whe 50gb of songs are in my ipod leaving 10gb for video |
| 23:57:16 | maffe- | Hi! |
| 23:57:29 | Root_Admin | hoi |
| 23:57:42 | markun | Root_Admin: are you dutch? |
| 23:57:45 | buleeahn | Do you know if those mp3's have any encryption for copyright protection? I've heard of windows-friendly WMA-playing mp3 players chewing up battery life because of this. |
| 23:57:53 | buleeahn | And it's merely a hunch on my part. |
| 23:57:55 | Root_Admin | how'd u know that? |
| 23:57:57 | Root_Admin | are you 1? |
| 23:58:07 | markun | half (other half german) |
| 23:58:14 | buleeahn | No, heh, I read headlines on websites that report things like this. |
| 23:58:39 | Root_Admin | ahh i see i'm from LA ... hoi is dutch |
| 23:58:50 | buleeahn | I despise copyright protections that keep me from having the same album on my home computer, my laptop, in my car, and on my ipod at the same time. So related headlines catch my attention. |
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