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#rockbox log for 2007-05-02

00:01:05preglowvery much so
00:01:30pregloweven 48khz -8 files should work with no problems at all
00:01:35markunmaffe-: but the 48kHz files are being resampled to 44.1
00:01:49preglownot something you'll hear easily
00:01:51markunand it's not the best resampoler
00:01:59preglowstill not something you'll hear easily
00:02:15preglowall the distortion will be in a frequency range above 20khz
00:02:33markunpreglow: are downsampling and upsampling done differently?
00:02:37preglownot at all
00:02:43preglowboth are plain linear interpolation
00:03:53maffe-Is there any portable audio player with Replay Gain support in the original firmware?
00:04:02markunpreglow: I emailed to ask if they know about DAPs which use their Blackfin CPUs
00:04:09preglowmarkun: heard anything?
00:04:20preglowmaffe-: i seriously doubt it
00:04:25markunI got a reply that I could build one myself :)
00:04:40markunand sell it with rockbox on it
00:05:03preglowwell, you've got the business plan ready already :P
00:05:09*scorche watched markun head off to the open-hardware thread on the forums
00:05:17toffe82markun : ask them to have all the tools for free to develop it
00:05:38Root_Adminhaha free lol
00:05:41toffe82perhaps they will send you a platform dev for free :)
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00:06:05markunscorche: already posted something there
00:06:09Root_Admin=P lol you wish
00:06:11linuxstbmarkun: But did they answer your question?
00:06:16markunabout using another DAP as a donor
00:06:18markunlinuxstb: no
00:06:37Root_Adminhey linuxstb so u tried out ipod linux
00:07:14scorcheRoot_Admin: this is #rockbox..
00:07:26Root_Adminhehe ok
00:07:53linuxstbRoot_Admin: I tried it very briefly once, but I bought an ipod to port Rockbox, not to use IPL
00:08:10markunRoot_Admin: why do you ask btw?
00:09:08Root_Admini tried it and failed my ipod linux lagged so bad i couldn;t use it
00:09:39markunand you though linuxstb knew more about it because of his nick?
00:09:41Root_Adminand fyi its nearly the same
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00:10:03Root_Adminnope i remmebered he said he wana test ipod linux some time back
00:10:14markunlinuxstb: you have a working Gigabeat F80 now?
00:10:24Root_Adminand now i wana know the result see it works
00:10:26buleeahnIPL is a very interesting project, but I didn't find a whole lot of usefulness out of it. That's why I'm *here*.
00:10:32linuxstbmarkun: No, I need a smaller screwdriver and haven't got round to buying one...
00:10:49*scorche points Root_Admin over to #ipodlinux
00:10:52buleeahnI've got to go read up on thie Gigabeat you all keep talking about.
00:10:58markunlinuxstb: I also have a large one which also works, just very sharp
00:11:09linuxstbmarkun: I've tried everything in the house...
00:11:26bluebrotherhuh? I never said I'm a native speaker
00:11:27markunbuleeahn: just don't trust everything you read about it on wikipedia :)
00:11:40markunalthough I think the errors are all removed now
00:11:55markunbuleeahn: which language?
00:12:02 Nick Root_Admin is now known as blackbrother (i=7d19ccd9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/
00:12:05markunthat was for bluebrother
00:12:18buleeahnk, I was trying to figure that one out for a moment.
00:12:26bluebrothermarkun, I'm german
00:12:37markunbut not a native speaker?
00:12:39*petur has a compiler for blackfins at work, and it was expensive and not quite bugfree :/
00:12:40bluebrother*sic* Do we get this "blackbrother" thing again?
00:13:05bluebrotherI was referring to not being native english
00:13:06markunpetur: I wonder how it compares to gcc
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00:13:29xxbarrxxcan you get mario on rockbox
00:13:33xxbarrxxis so whats it called
00:13:56Domonokyxxbarrxx: yeah, you can play gameboy games..
00:14:11blackbrothercan anyone get pacman working lol
00:14:13xxbarrxxbut ive seen real mario
00:14:15xxbarrxxfull speed
00:14:18xxbarrxxgb is slow
00:14:21xxbarrxxand now full color
00:14:25xxbarrxxi can
00:14:32scorcheblackbrother: the manual is good
00:14:45scorchexxbarrxx: outside of the gameboy emulator, there is no way
00:15:01blackbrotheri tried it says stuff like gb stuff
00:15:04Domonokyxxbarrxx: sorry i dont understand you, please use full sentences..
00:15:12buleeahnscorche: No way to run mario full speed in rockbox?
00:15:26blackbrotherwhen i tired it the pacman was so tiny from the gba emulator
00:15:29scorchebuleeahn: no way to run mario outside of the gameboy emulator
00:15:43Domonokyon Gigabeat it should be full speed .. *i think *
00:15:56peturxxbarrxx: that backdrop file you put online earlier works fine in the sim here, except it was a bmp, not a jpg
00:16:00buleeahnWell there was the version of Super Mario Brothers that id software ported to a pc a long time ago.
00:16:05linuxstbDomonoky: And on the h1x0 according to the Rockboy wiki page...
00:16:16buleeahnBut that project kind of got killed when Nintendo expressed no interest in "gaming on PC's".
00:16:27blackbrothery does the ipod have tons of terrible things for rockbox like battery consumption,video(lags , please name more
00:16:31buleeahnWell, not "id" software, but the guys who started id software.
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00:17:06markunblackbrother: because the company who makes the CPU wants to keep the documentation secret
00:17:36Domonokylinuxstb: its not full speed on h1x0, i just tested it :-)
00:17:53linuxstbblackbrother: Video works well on all colour ipods apart from the video ipod.
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00:17:56xxbarrxxcan you reupload a working file
00:17:58xxbarrxxonto rapidshare
00:18:17blackbrotheryes i was talkin about ipod videos
00:18:38blackbrothersince mine is the 5g
00:18:50blackbrotherhmm wheres bluebrother?
00:19:05bluebrotheraround. Why?
00:19:09 Quit obo ("bye")
00:19:29blackbrotheroh you were quite quiet for some time
00:19:33peturxxbarrxx: the file *is* working, just change the extension from jpg to bmp because it is a bmp
00:19:44 Nick blackbrother is now known as root_admin (i=7d19ccd9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/
00:20:08maffe-How good is the Replay Gain support with Rockbox (on a Cowon iAudio X5L)? Can I choose between track and album gain, and does it work for MP3 (ID3v2.4), Vorbis, FLAC?
00:20:21markunmaffe-: yes
00:20:25linuxstbmaffe-: Very good. Yes and Yes.
00:20:25markunfor all your questions
00:20:26root_admini guess i'll get typin the C program and test on my ipod
00:20:56root_adminbtw linuxstb u got mpegplayer workin?
00:21:01root_adminthe FF and REW?
00:21:02linuxstbmaffe-: You can choose between track and album gain, or select "album gain but track gain when shuffling"
00:21:16markunroot_admin: 3rd time, jhMikeS is working on it
00:21:36markun(or was that someone else who asked that before?)
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00:21:57maffe-linuxstb: Wow, that is a feature I still miss in foobar2000
00:22:04bluebrothermarkun, no, it was the constantly-renaming person
00:22:43markunah no, it was webguest43
00:22:48markunroot_admin: sorry
00:23:02root_adminyea webguest lol
00:23:11maffe-I'll buy a X5L now :)
00:23:11linuxstbmarkun: Don't apologise...
00:23:22root_adminhow dare you blame the root_admin for a sin he didn't commit
00:23:27markunlinuxstb: ok, sorry ;)
00:23:28bluebrotheryes, and webguest43 is the same as blackbrother as root_admin as Administrator ...
00:23:31scorchemarkun: it is the same person
00:24:07root_adminyea everyone gang up on me
00:24:12root_adminok yea its me
00:24:12bluebrotherand I guess it's the same person who trolled around as blackbrother, linuxstd and webguestsomething a while ago
00:24:36petur'kid' you mean
00:24:45buleeahnI swear this is turning into a sitcom.
00:25:17markunmaffe-: you know that the X5 screen sucks, right?
00:25:43markunbut of course it's still a nice DAP
00:25:49pixelmamarkun: ?
00:26:17maffe-markun: I wasn't aware of that
00:26:27markunpixelma: well, I guess it's subjective. But it looked very low res when I saw the X5 of moos
00:26:31pixelmanot that I like the screen but I wouldn't say "it sucks"
00:27:14markunsome people would even say that every colour screen sucks :)
00:27:19maffe-I plan to buy the remote anyway
00:27:21markunwell, just 1 person
00:27:27maffe-remote control
00:27:38pixelmamarkun: no " - and not all ;)
00:27:40bluebrotherand our "root_admin" indeed seems to be the same troll as on 2007-03-16
00:27:49markunmaffe-: the M5L is also nice I guess
00:27:53pixelmaerr... s/"/2
00:28:12markunpixelma: do they happen to be related? :)
00:28:15maffe-The M5L doesn't seem to be available in Germany
00:28:31markunpixelma has one and lives in Germany, right?
00:28:52pixelmano... I have an M5 - and bought it from a british ebay shop
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00:30:08maffe-Do you know whether the original firmware supports UTF-8 encoded files?
00:30:22maffe-text files
00:31:41pixelmamaffe-: atm you can't use the OF when rockbox is installed (if you go the "official" way) but rockbox would read them. Haven't looked at the original firmware before, so I can't answer that
00:32:40markunroot_admin: any luck with pacman?
00:33:09root_adminyea workin for gba
00:33:16 Quit roolku ()
00:33:17root_admini mean gbc
00:33:39root_adminits harder than i thought programming C
00:33:45markunah, I though you wanted to try pacbox
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00:33:58pixelmamaffe-: there is an unofficial bootloader that let's you dual boot though but it won't be supported here
00:34:11root_adminnah its ok since its workin ongbc
00:34:57root_admini gotta go to my friends house he'll help me program it laters
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00:35:12root_adminroot_admin signing off
00:35:16markunroot_admin: LOL!!!
00:35:25*linuxstb looks forward to the patch
00:35:40root_adminwats funny about an admin signin off
00:36:05root_adminyes u guessed it i wasn't really an admin lol
00:36:13maffe-pixelma, will the official bootloader support dual boot in the future?
00:36:51*bluebrother awaits a troll to leave :)
00:37:04root_admintroll you say
00:37:04scorchebluebrother: well, if you didnt want to wait..
00:37:06pixelmamaffe-: that's the goal but don't ask for estimates about when
00:37:08markunbluebrother: he'll be back with another nick, don't worry :)
00:37:23root_adminwait till i come back with the patch
00:37:33bluebrothersure ... I should get pop corn :D
00:37:33root_adminand for ur info
00:37:38markunwhat will the patch do anyway?
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00:37:51root_adminwhats better than being the root admin
00:38:04bluebrotherbeing the root of all evil?
00:39:01 Quit web-taz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
00:39:15root_adminFF and REW mpegplayer see if it will work
00:39:26bluebrothergood luck
00:39:28root_admini'll keep u informed
00:39:33*bluebrother laughs evilish
00:39:33markungood luck
00:39:46markunroot_admin: tell jhMikeS to stop working on it :)
00:39:57root_adminhaha thx
00:40:01root_adminnooo let him work too
00:40:07root_adminmine might notwork
00:40:15stripwaxSo .. how do I get this patch committed? current svn builds are crashable with long strings in wps ...
00:40:19root_admini'll give it some run test
00:40:35*bluebrother enables his surprised look
00:40:41scorcheroot_admin: would you like to make a bet on the outcome?
00:41:15peturstripwax: I'll have a look
00:41:21bluebrotherstripwax, try catching Nico_P
00:41:23root_admindon't even try ... i'm inexperienced so i'm askin my friend that studied proframmin on C
00:41:50root_admini'm off now .hate long gooodbyes
00:41:51stripwaxbluebrother- we discussed on irc y'day - guess he was too busy?
00:42:14bluebrotherah −− I was busy myself, so I missed that.
00:42:35bluebrotherthen ignore my last sentence ;-)
00:42:40stripwaxok ;-)
00:42:49 Quit root_admin ("CGI:IRC")
00:43:29scorchebout time
00:43:50bluebrotheroooh ... fun's over :P
00:44:17***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
00:44:17peturtoo bad he was on the webclient - can't ban 'm
00:44:27markunpetur: can't?
00:44:30scorchei miss dongs...there was still fun to be had with him
00:44:36scorchepetur: sure you canm
00:44:41markunscorche: he's still on freenode
00:44:47markunmaybe you can PM him
00:44:48stripwax('too' was right)
00:45:12peturmarkun: not unless you want to kick all weblients?
00:45:29markunscorche: I typed his hostname in my browser and got a very weird website
00:45:58bluebrotherpetur, the local part of the address is the ip in hex values
00:46:03markunpetur: I think you can ban them based on their ircname (which is their ip)
00:46:12bluebrotherso you can ban based on that
00:46:36 Quit atsea- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
00:46:36bluebrotherthat's also the way how I checked if he is the same as this "blackbrother" we had a couple of weeks ago
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00:47:32peturstripwax: that printf() probably doesn't belong in there? ;)
00:47:39scorchemarkun: very weird how?
00:48:33bluebrothersome people use strange reasons for requesting a task to get reopened ...
00:49:24stripwaxpetur - eek ! right
00:49:27stripwax.. sorry
00:49:36 Nick idnar_ is now known as idnar (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar)
00:51:28peturstripwax: also keep line lengths below 80 (see contributing doc)
00:52:35 Quit hostf4cekilla (Remote closed the connection)
00:53:33stripwaxpetur - hm, ok. there's other lines > 80 in that file..
00:54:45 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara")
00:54:47peturmaybe, but we'll always know who to blame ;)
00:55:14bluebrothersvn blame? ;-)
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00:56:01bluebrotheranyway, out for sleep
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00:58:41*petur throws CONTRIBUTING doc at Nico_P
00:59:11scorcheJavacat: since when do you come in here?
00:59:23JavacatSince I wanted a new mp3 player :P
00:59:37markunscorche: kick him for using more that one ! in a row :)
00:59:44markunmore than even
01:00:04markunJavacat: did you decide which one to buy?
01:00:23buleeahnJavacat: Which players are you considering?
01:00:31JavacatI was just wondering whether there was a port of Rockbox to the Creative Zen Vision: M
01:00:46scorchethere are a few who are working on it, but they ahvent gotten far
01:00:53JavacatI've seen a huge thread about it on the forum, but can't work out whether it;s actucally ported or not
01:00:59markunit's not
01:01:01scorcheit isnt
01:01:18Javacat < I asked for advice on some forum I use :P
01:01:45markunThe Gigabeat port us finished otoh.. </advertisement>
01:01:53JavacatSince writing that I've decided that I definatly want to use rockbox
01:02:07johnzornis there plans on getting rockbox running on an 80g ipod?
01:02:14scorchejohnzorn: YES
01:02:26scorcheJavacat: good decision ;)
01:02:49johnzornI guess theres no timeframe?
01:03:00scorchejohnzorn: we dont give timeframes
01:03:10JavacatAt the minute I'm thinking either a new 60gb iPod Video or the zen
01:03:35JavacatThe problem I have with the iPod is it's a bit big and the hardware isn't meant to be great
01:03:43peturstripwax: by adding that if() around everything in default, you're preventing the case where the stringbuffer is full and the string to add is duplicate.
01:03:47JavacatThanks markun
01:03:55scorchewell, if you definitely want to use rockbox, then the decision is made
01:04:33Javacathmm.. there's the Cowon iAudio X5
01:04:41JavacatBut that costs a bit more than I'd like to spend
01:04:58markunwhile a Gigabeat F40 can be bought for around $99.. :)
01:05:16markunok, I'll stop
01:05:19scorcheJavacat: how much were you looking to spend?
01:05:22stripwaxpetur - which 'if' are you referring to? the latest patch takes that if out ..
01:05:29Javacat200 probably
01:05:31stripwax(that 'if' was there before..)
01:05:39buleeahnDoesn't rockbox already run on 80g ipods?
01:05:46scorchebuleeahn: no
01:05:51buleeahnI mean, an 80GB is essentially a fifth generation, right?
01:06:05scorcheJavacat: i would lounge around ebay if i were you
01:06:18johnzornI shoulda got a cowon
01:06:23scorchebuleeahn: there are a few differences with the harddrive
01:07:04peturstripwax: oh... must have taken the wrong patch
01:07:38stripwaxI've also just updated it (again) with the printf removed and the reduction in line length .. hopefully this meets guidelines now?
01:08:08peturstrange ... the patch I downloaded had them removed...
01:08:09Javacatmarkun: The Gigabeats are ugly :P
01:08:21scorcheuh oh
01:08:27*scorche runs for cover
01:08:28JavacatShould I hide?
01:08:34markunJavacat: but work very well with rockbox
01:08:37scorcheget in here...quick!
01:08:44*Javacat hides with scorche
01:09:28scorcheJavacat: honestly though, the gigabeats have quite the little powerhouse inside of them....they run quite well, as they are quite fast
01:09:45JavacatCan they take a beating?
01:09:54stripwaxpetur - I added the patch to the tracker yesterday and submitted a newer patch about one hour later −− sounds like you downloaded the first patch without the if fix you already mentioned. anyway - get the newest one with above advice implemented
01:10:34peturstripwax: no I got the right one alright, it was my mistake ;)
01:10:47peturI'll have a look at the new one
01:10:52*scorche defaults the question to markun
01:11:00Rincewindls someone here who likes to test a patch for me?
01:11:08markunwell, I don't have much to compare it to
01:11:33markunperhaps a little more fragile than my h120
01:11:59*petur gets the feeling he'll miss tortoisesvn a lot when he'll start using linux :/
01:13:18*Javacat wishes his gmini xs 200 could have a bigger hard drive put in it and also have a port of rockbox :P
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01:15:06stripwaxpetur - do you think this patch is ok? I'd really like to help prevent rockbox crashing..
01:15:29markunJavacat: do you have any special wishes for what the DAP should be capable of?
01:15:34markunrecording, radio, video playback
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01:16:59JavacatI'm not bothered about recording, radio or video
01:16:59pixelmaXavierGr: around?
01:17:06Javacata colour screen would be nice though
01:17:33scorcheJavacat: what are you looking for in battery life?
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01:18:10Javacatprobably about 8+ hours
01:18:12ArathisI just read a question about the fact that rockbox loads all tracks of a list into the playlist when you select one track out of it. the question was if it is possible to just load the track selected without choosing "add to playlist" from the context menu
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01:19:20JavacatI'm thinking that the Creative Zen Vision: M would be the best choice for me as it does everything I want as standard and there should be a rockbox port eventually
01:19:52scorchea rockbox port is not guaranteed
01:20:07toffe82Javacat: why not the gigabeat S60
01:20:29markunJavacat: and does it play Ogg Vorbis like you want?
01:20:35RincewindArathis: what player do you have?
01:20:48Javacatmarkun: yeh
01:20:58Javacattoffe82: Just gonna look at that now :P
01:20:59scorchetoffe82: ick =/
01:21:07scorchehow is that port going btw?
01:21:28Javacatscorche: What's wrong with teh gigabeat S60?
01:21:30ArathisRincewind: h10
01:21:30toffe82there is only one person really working on it :(
01:21:33*stripwax outties
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01:21:46scorcheJavacat: the original firmware
01:21:55ArathisRincewind: I have a 20gb, but i think the one asking has a 5/6gb
01:22:23scorchewhich really doesnt matter to us, but rockbox isnt ported to it yet, so that is all there is
01:22:30RincewindArathis: if you had a hxx you could have used my rec button patch for the playlist insert
01:23:09Javacathm.. the gigabeat S60s standard firmware doesn't do what i want
01:23:13markunJavacat: the official specs of the Zen Vision:M don't mention Ogg Vorbis
01:24:41markungood night all
01:24:44JavacatWhat are the chances of the SHA1 verification problem on the zen being resolved?
01:24:48Javacatcya markun
01:25:59toffe82I think rockbox will run on the S before the creative
01:26:13toffe82because of the protection
01:26:41scorchebut, there is always the chance that it wont run on either, unfortunately
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01:27:28XavierGrpixelma: you called me?
01:28:12maffe-k good bye
01:28:14pixelmahi, yes
01:28:22JavacatWhatever MP3 player I get I'll be compromising at least one of my requirements :(
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01:28:50JavacatAppart from the cowon...
01:29:05scorchethen get one of those
01:29:08*scorche shrugs
01:29:38scorcheyou checked on ebay?
01:29:57buleeahnCan I have rockbox and IPL installed at the same time?
01:30:01buleeahnI seem to remember that I can.
01:30:48JavacatThere's one Cowon iAudio X5 60GB on ebay @ 220 with 16 postage
01:30:57Javacat*14 postage
01:31:24scorchewell, if you want, you can check the us ebay for example and get someone to ship it to you
01:33:35Javacat220 with free next day delivery
01:36:17JavacatShipping from the USA would work out around 45 cheaper
01:36:37scorchethat is quite a bit
01:37:06JavacatWhere are you located?
01:37:17scorchevarious places
01:37:25JavacatWhat country :P
01:37:30scorchethe US
01:37:30Javacatout of interest
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01:44:24ArathisWhen trying to insert only one track by 'contextmenu -> playlist -> insert I get the following error message: "error accessing playlist control file". loading a playlist or inserting the whole list by selecting one track works great on the other hand. but doing so after getting the error msg the player freezes at the wps. iriver h10/20gb with rockbox from yesterday
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01:46:26JavacatIs the patch included as standard in the Cowon build?
01:46:53peturall builds have support
01:47:30peturthere's some minor bugs (first or last song not always scrobbled)
01:48:10JavacatWhen using rockbox, when plugging the mp3 player in, is it detected as a standard USB mass storage device?
01:48:42JavacatThink I'm going to get the Cowon iAudio X5 then
01:48:46Javacatand install rockbox :D
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01:50:32buleeahnIt's been fun guys, thanks for the help with my rockbox questions.
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01:51:27Arathisany ideas about my bug? or is it known already?
01:53:39johnzornis there something I could do to help the ipod 80gig port?
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02:08:18pixelmaArathis: interesting, haven't seen something like this in ages - but there were a few reports of it since yesterday (here and in the forums, I think)
02:08:50Arathisany solutions or suggestions about it?
02:14:28pixelmaI believe it wasn't taken seriously so far (because it can happen every now and then), but if more and more people report it... maybe that's something for JdGordon hwo converted the context menus yesterday...
02:15:29pixelmajust a guess though
02:21:14XavierGrmarkun: ping
02:24:02Arathispixelma: he seems to have it fixed already. I installed the latest build and it workes again :)
02:27:34pixelmagood to know
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02:37:37ArathisIs there any plan making rockbox fully themable? so you can make a theme for the wps, boot-screen and the menus, possibly including images in the menu?
02:38:26webguest13Is using an Archos version on my Creative MuVo c100 possible? They are alike. google has pictures.
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02:43:01idnargood grief
02:43:19idnarspamming like that via cgi-irc must be a bit tiresome :P
02:43:26idnarunless it was scripted
02:43:57scorchecopy+paste isnt that hard
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02:44:46Arathishas anyone a comment to my question before the spam-wave? :)
02:45:19scorchenot really =)
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02:48:03Arathisor is this part of the viewport model?
02:50:00Arathiscan't remember who is working on thatone
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04:15:01deweycootertrying to write a customization - is there a global var that i can step thru to look for a certain directory - need to see how many files are in it
04:15:01JdGor|unihey all
04:15:14JdGor|unijhMikeS: how did you figur eout which chip the sansa lcd controller was?
04:15:36toffe82deweycooter: sorry , cannot answer
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04:33:56Hilikushey guys
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04:40:44Hilikusim trying to debug a wps thats supposed to show cover art, i patched my build. this is the error i get in the sim
04:40:56HilikusFailed parsing on line 15 : Invalid conditional char (not in an open conditional)
04:42:00Hilikusline 15 is %C|0|20|75|75|
04:42:10Hilikusany ideas what could be wrong?
04:44:13toffe82check the log of yesterday , somebody had the same problem :
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04:44:43toffe82at the beginnig of the log
04:45:41toffe82I am not sure but you should writ %| instead of |
04:47:41Hilikuswill do
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04:56:26Hilikuswhich one of the | should i escape
05:02:13toffe82the ones you want to display,
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05:16:48Hilikusany idea what %m is? its in a .wps file but i dont find it in the list of tags
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05:33:42kkurbjunyep, can't type
05:33:53Hilikusany idea on the %m? i cant google that string :S
05:41:01Hilikusnm, i found it
05:41:02jhMikeSJdGordon: I knew what that it had to be Renesas after looking at the init sequence. It looked just like the other startup code for Renesas. After doing a quick check to see if I could invert the display, I went datasheet hunting and got a hit on the registers.
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05:48:30Hilikusdo i need to run configure every time im going to compile rb? or just "make"?
05:48:54kkurbjunHilikus, just make
05:49:09Hilikusthe make file gets created in the current dir right?
05:49:22Hilikusso if i have a /sim and /build dirs they should have separate makefiles
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05:51:18Hilikuscool, just checking my reasoning
05:52:10Hilikushey one more question, is there a text file, header, or anything were all patches write themselves when applied to know which patches a build is using??
05:53:58kkurbjunno, patches don't make any changes like that as a standard
05:54:08Hilikusmm ok, thanks
05:59:45Hilikusone more, is there a way to remove some plugins from compiling? i dont care for a lot of them and removing them every time i compile is annoying
06:00:01Hilikusthe makefile doesnt say anything about plugins
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06:12:20kkurbjunyou can edit the subdirs/sources files under plugins
06:14:24kkurbjunif it's a plugin like rockboy or doom you need to edit it out of subdirs, and if it's a smaller plugin you can edit it out of sources
06:14:48Hilikusits rockboy
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06:16:47Hilikusfound it! thanks
06:17:19Hilikusoh but a sync will re-introduce them
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06:26:13kkurbjunHilikus, a sync will not remove them, it keeps track of your changes and merges them with the new changes
06:28:10Hilikusoh, sorry, youre right
06:28:31Hilikusi use svn at work but i forgot it doesnt merge things that you remove
06:28:58Hilikusthanks a lot kk, youve been verny helpful
06:29:09Hilikushave a good night
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08:14:33JdGordonjhMikeS: ok cool :)
08:15:02JdGordonoh, and the audio swapping isnt completyl gone.. still has some wierdness.... but its much better...
08:15:13JdGordonnot that you were trying to get rid of it though.. :p
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08:41:41jhMikeSJdGordon: true, but it seems to say something...not sure what yet :)
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08:42:41*jhMikeS is looking at WM8751 tone control stuff and decided we need fractional dB there
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08:55:20jhMikeSVoice doesn't support values saying "one point five decibels", does it? Well, I guess this will motivate that addition if not.
08:58:47jhMikeSso if we have a range of -6 to 9 in steps of 1.5, then it would be -60 to 90 with a step of 15 and a numdecimals of 1
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09:12:16*petur sees article about sectorsizes > 512 becoming standard:
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09:23:35[steveo]ok hmm so i turn off my gigabeat f40 (with rockbox) 3hrs later i turn it back on and im missing movies pics but still have music... also missing the rockbox folder,recycle bin folder and all that
09:23:55[steveo]what happened =o
09:24:16[steveo]the stuff is still on it, its just not showing up
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09:29:19petur[steveo]: did you reset your settings by accident?
09:30:51*JdGordon wishes twiki had the discussion section like mediawiki
09:32:14scorcheJdGordon: i have wished the same
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09:47:28[steveo]petur i didnt reset anything lol i was playing music at the time i turned it off
09:48:03[steveo]the folders for pics and movies are still there next to music but nothing is in ethier of em
09:48:27peturalso gone when looking at it from pc?
09:48:42[steveo]so not deleted
09:49:10peturcan you check that 'view files' is set to 'All'
09:49:11[steveo]reinstall rockbox?
09:49:30GodEaterI suspect View Files is set to "Music"
09:50:04[steveo]ba petur that was it, y would it change on its own? lol i 100% didnt change it
09:50:34[steveo]ty for ur help, any reason it would change?
09:51:11GodEatermaybe the gigabeat fairy did it...
09:52:00[steveo]hehe guess it was just a strange fk up =)
09:52:47GodEatera solar storm or something
09:54:02GodEaterpetur: if that article is true, I guess we're going to need to make those FAT / ATA driver changes sooner rather than later eh ?
09:54:39petur[steveo]: installed any theme/wps?
09:54:39amiconnjhMikeS: Voice does support decimals... take a look at output_dyn_value()
09:55:55petur[steveo]: or somehow selected a .cfg file that contained that setting?
09:56:44GodEaterdoes LBDS also apply to SCSI disks I wonder
09:57:02B4gderdo SCSI disks still exist? B-]
09:57:10*GodEater has seen them in the server room
09:57:24*petur has two 4GB disks for sale ;)
09:57:27*scorche lubs SCSI
09:57:42GodEaterthe standard doesn't appear to mention either ATA or SCSI
09:58:16jhMikeSamiconn: ok, should be good for the gigabeat tone controls then, right?
09:58:44JdGordonGodEater: its not like manufacturers are going to start using this tomorow.. no real rush
09:58:56JdGordonwould be nice fixing the ata driver to get the 80gb ipods working though
09:59:02[steveo]na petur was just playing music before it happened, makes no diffrence now its working and if ever happens again i know how to fix now ;) thx
09:59:25GodEaterJdGordon: true, but as you mention, we already know of one manufacturer that's not using 512 byte sectors anymore
10:00:38JdGordonthe article says 4k sectors though, is apple being naughty? or..?
10:00:43GodEaterI might start looking at the 80gb iPod again since Linus seems to have stalled on it permanently now. The Fat32 code scares me though
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10:00:52GodEaterJdGordon: well, it's not apple really, it's Toshiba
10:01:00JdGordonboth of them
10:01:10GodEaterand the ATA standard allows for sector sizes in the range of 512 -> 4096
10:01:20GodEaterincluding the 2048 / 1024 byte sizes we see on the iPods
10:01:31peturtoo bad I don't have an 80GB ipoo, I'm a bit familiar with fat
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10:02:28GodEaterI think I need to print the spec out and use it for some light bed time reading material
10:02:38peturhahaha look who's there
10:02:44jhMikeSamiconn: it has 1.5db steps is what I'm saying
10:03:57LinusNhehe, i have pretty much stalled with all rockbox development at the moment
10:04:04GodEaterLinusN: when you first started looking at the 80GB ipod problem, you submitted a patch to flyspray with (I think) just ATA changes in it right ?
10:04:14GodEateror did it contain changed FAT code too ?
10:04:22LinusNi was hoping that i could have a look at the devcon
10:04:29LinusNGodEater: yes
10:04:34LinusNonly ata
10:04:49GodEaterand as I recall, that kind of broke the directory cache code ?
10:05:00LinusNit did?
10:05:09LinusNwasn't aware of that
10:05:12GodEaterI definitely remember running something you gave me
10:05:35GodEaterand it gave duplicate entries in the file list
10:05:45GodEaterI could have sworn we thought it was the directory cache
10:05:48GodEaterbut I could be wrong
10:06:05GodEaterI'm sure amiconn looked at it too
10:06:41LinusNthat wasn't the dir cache, and that wasn't the ata code
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10:06:59GodEatermust have been something you didn't even put in flyspray then I guess
10:07:04LinusNthat was my first attempt at modifying the FAT32 readdir() code
10:07:14GodEaterthat rings a bell
10:07:56jhMikeSthose duplicates were driving me nuts when doing recording work
10:10:16GodEaterLinusN: just so I've got something to start with - was there more stuff which needed changing in the ATA patch to make it work on the 80GB, or was that part basically "done" ?
10:10:48LinusNGodEater: it depends a little on the general approach
10:11:02GodEaterdid you write down your intended approach anywhere ?
10:11:06GodEateror is it just in your head ? :)
10:11:10LinusNbut yes, that change is probably all you need for the ATA layer
10:11:43LinusNmy approach is to let the FAT32 and file I/O code deal with the sector alignment
10:12:02GodEaterinstead of doing it at the ATA level presumably ?
10:14:55*GodEater wishes his laptop was back from the repair shop
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10:22:00LinusNGodEater: yes
10:22:39GodEaterdid that ATA patch ever get submitted to svn, or is it still just in patch form ?
10:23:22*amiconn still thinks doing it at the ata level is significantly easier than butchering fat.c
10:23:44amiconnIt's not as elegant, but it would be a working solution
10:24:04GodEateramiconn is welcome to implement it that way if he wants :)
10:25:00GodEateralthough if I think about it - I think you're probably right.
10:26:04amiconnI could do so, but I have no device to test on
10:27:26LinusNit sure feels like ATA issues should be handled in the ATA driver, but i fear that the ATA driver will be awfully inefficient with all the sector caching
10:28:16GodEaterinefficient in terms of speed / memory use / power consumption, or all of the above ?
10:28:19JdGordon#ifdef it for the ipod only?
10:28:50LinusNGodEater: all of the above
10:28:55LinusNwell, not memory
10:29:15LinusNit will consume very little memory, the only resource we have plenty of
10:29:56LinusNJdGordon: the inefficiency would only be for the ipod
10:30:05JdGordonthen whats the problem?
10:30:14LinusNthe inefficiency
10:30:21GodEaterwe'd have a new winner in terms of least well performing rockbox target
10:30:36JdGordonit would really be a killer?
10:30:47*GodEater is happy to wear that badge if it takes the heat off the real devs ;)
10:30:49bluebrotherthe ipods aren't performing too good right now
10:31:05GodEater"I made the 80GB iPod work for only 2 hours!"
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10:31:17LinusNi think this is definitely devcon material
10:32:19amiconnLinusN: The inefficieny would be probably less than you might think
10:32:28GodEaterI guess we don't know *how* killer it would be until we actually try it though
10:32:42amiconnLarge reads/writes would of course not go through the cache, only single (logical) sector accesses would
10:32:47LinusNperhaps, it would mostly affect the FAT lookups
10:33:02amiconnThis would be 95% identical to what the MMC driver does with large blocks
10:33:17GodEatereven then, only 50% of them would NEED to go through the cache ( I think )
10:33:39amiconnMMCs >= 1GB have 1KB blocks, MMCs >=2GB have 2KB blocks, while the file system still operates based on 512 byte sectors
10:34:07LinusNthe biggest penalty would be FAT updates
10:34:18GodEaterwhich we don't do masses of
10:34:22amiconnSo the MMC driver has 2 block caches where blocks are disassembled to / assembled from sectors
10:34:57GodEaterif doing it in the ATA driver is where it was done for MMC, I think we shouldn't rock the boat and take a different route with big block disks
10:35:01amiconn(the block cahces are necessary for 512 byte blocks as well, but that's due to the SH1 SPI)
10:35:20LinusNmy opinion is that the FAT driver in general is inefficient on all targets that have memory to spare
10:35:24GodEateramiconn is talking in acronyms I don't know again.
10:35:38amiconnSPI == serial peripheral interface
10:35:48*JdGordon learnt about that in lectures last week :)
10:35:56GodEaterLinusN: if that's the case, shouldn't we do a complete re-write, rather than hacking the existing one ?
10:36:20amiconnThe SH1 serial sends the LSB first, while most other implementations expect MSB first
10:36:21LinusNGodEater: more or less
10:36:26JdGordon... even still the large blocks should still be handled in the ata driver...
10:36:30amiconnSo we need to bitswap the data on SH1
10:36:50GodEaterpain in the arse
10:37:16amiconnAnd for writing data this can't be done in place (for reading it can, and is)
10:38:07amiconnThis bitswapping is familiar from the other archoses, since the MAS is hooked up to SPI as well (for playback)
10:38:14GodEaterI'm really coming round to amiconn's way of thinking here - I think the change should happen at the ATA level, and leave the current FAT driver alone
10:38:34GodEatermake a re-write of the FAT code a project for another (possibly rainy) day
10:38:36amiconnSo on Ondio the data needs to be bitswapped twice... and even then it's capable of handling WAV realtime
10:38:52GodEaterGSoC next year maybe :)
10:38:52bluebrotheronly one rainy day? ;-)
10:39:00GodEaterbluebrother: I'm very optimisitic ;)
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10:42:13JdGordonthough, I still rekon its worth it to get the extra port
10:42:28markunXavierGr: pong
10:43:24JdGordon... reading sequencial blocks would get a speed up though wouldnt it?
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10:45:00GodEater*if* we were going to re-write our FAT driver, is there some reason why we shouldn't nick the code from uclinux ?
10:45:11preglowbecause theirs is very wildly inefficient?
10:45:14B4gderuclinux is linux
10:45:17preglowbesides, you can't just nick code like that
10:45:20preglowit'd take ages to adapt
10:45:21B4gderlinux fat driver is huuge
10:45:32B4gderand based on the vfs of linux
10:45:43XavierGrah hey markun, do you happen to know about font encodings etc? I ask because I remember you doing some sort of work about that and wanted to confirm something
10:47:44markunHm, not sure what you are refering too
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10:49:35*GodEater realised you couldn't just take it as is - but didn't appreciate it was SO hugely different. So that answers my question - thank you.
10:49:39XavierGrmarkun: well I just discovered that a specific letter in greek won't show up correctly in rockbox no matter what font I use. I remember that you did some work on adding greek glyphs on nimbus so you might have an idea about it
10:50:53markunmaybe you can take a look at the charts at
10:50:58markunand tell me which glyph is missing
10:51:14XavierGrok I will search there
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10:51:43XavierGrthing is that it might not be missing just mapped wrong (if that can be happen, I don't know a thing about encodings)
10:54:07markundoes it happen with filenames as well?
10:54:37XavierGrmarkun: code 0386 greek capital letter alpha with tonos (from the pdf in the greek code chart)
10:54:55XavierGrmarkun: yes, in filenames, viewer and the UI
10:55:00markunok, I'll check it out later
10:55:23XavierGrwith all fonts it looks like an apostrophe
10:55:58XavierGrit just appeared to me while pixelma was trying to add greek glyphs to nimbus-10 and saw it there only to discover the same behaviour on all fonts
10:56:01amiconnOn the player it does not :)
10:56:02XavierGr(even unifont)
10:56:13amiconn(but the tonos isn't shown)
10:56:19XavierGrah yeah I remember that :P
10:58:05JdGordon has 3 links to fat32 implementations which might be usable
11:00:58markunXavierGr: I don't know any greek, so I might have made some mistakes here and there
11:01:12markunwhat is the tonos supposed to look like?
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11:02:52XavierGra little accent above letters
11:03:03XavierGrI could give you the pdf that has the icon of it
11:03:08XavierGr(link to it)
11:03:49XavierGrthe exact glyph is shown on block 0386
11:05:02markunWell, to me it looks like an apostrophe :)
11:06:48XavierGryou mean on the pdf or rockbox?
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11:07:15scorchelooks liek accent aigu to me =P
11:07:37XavierGrthe letter I am reffering to is a capital Alpha (code: 0391) with the tonos (code 0384)
11:07:54markunXavierGr: yes, I understand
11:08:07XavierGron rockbox it looks just like a plain apostrophe without a letter
11:08:18markunwithout a letter?
11:08:19XavierGr(on all other vowels it works correctly btw)
11:08:30markunok, I can check it out
11:08:46markunor you can ask pixelma if she can fix it for you as she'w working on the fonts these days
11:09:33XavierGrwell is it a font problem or character mapping?
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11:14:45XavierGrmarkun: I mean is is that the fonts don't include the glyph or that the character mapping is not correct. (I dont know how font staff work so I might be saying silly things)
11:16:36markunXavierGr: if they don't include the glyph you should see the dotted square
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11:17:19XavierGrah so it is a mapping issue
11:17:43XavierGrif that's the case the I am not how this can be fixed
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11:18:05markunwell, just draw the right glyph for each font
11:18:45markunI might have drawn an apostrophe to save some horizontal space, not knowing that it would change the meaning
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11:19:30markunshould the tonos be above the A or in the left-upper corner?
11:20:02XavierGrwell for capitals it is normally in the left-upper corner
11:20:11XavierGrjust like the pdf renders it
11:22:24XavierGrmarkun: the part that I don't understand is: if it is a mapping issue then what it has to do with the font itself?
11:23:06XavierGrit seems to me that rockbox asks from the font a different glyph from what it should normally call
11:23:06markunIf you have the alpha with tonos do you only see ' or 'A ?
11:23:15XavierGrI see only '
11:23:28XavierGron all other letters it works
11:23:41XavierGrmaybe an error from my part?
11:23:50markunI don't know
11:24:08XavierGrstrange indeed
11:24:11markunbut I don't have time to look into it now
11:24:28XavierGryeah no hurry I am just mentioning it
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11:25:57XavierGrpff it might be my bad in the end
11:26:15XavierGrthe UI seems to render correctly that rare case.
11:26:46XavierGrI wonder what is giving me only the apostrophe when I am writing that glyph on a filename
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11:57:56JdGordonGodEater: your BryanChilds right? "disk is written in 1024 byte chunks now" shouldnt that be 2048?
12:02:37jhMikeSJdGordon: so, how an I going to get a setting of say 4.5db to say "4 point 5 decibels" instead of "45 decibels"?
12:04:20JdGordonumm.... hmm?
12:04:55jhMikeSthe gigabeat needs a tenth db setting on the tone controls since the steps are 1.5 amiconn said there's a function that does it
12:05:08jhMikeSI'm not sure where in the menu code to look
12:05:56JdGordonumm... iirc thats done by having the setting *10 and using the formatter...
12:06:14JdGordonthe settings have no way of dealing with reals...
12:06:25JdGordonfloat's even
12:06:27jhMikeSthe setting is *10 already
12:06:36jhMikeS-60 to 90 step 15
12:08:24jhMikeSdoes the menu code use output_dyn_value?
12:08:37JdGordoncant remembe...
12:08:44JdGordonoh, you want to get it to voice 4.5?
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12:09:21JdGordonone way you could do it is talk_id(4, UNIT_INT); talk(LAND_POINT); ...
12:09:33JdGordonor just not worry about the voice :p
12:09:37jhMikeSoutput_dyn_value already has that available
12:10:54JdGordonthe menu doesnt use it
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12:14:08jhMikeShmmm...where's that code?
12:15:30jhMikeSthe menu code for that, or you still don't remember? ;)
12:15:46GodEaterJdGordon: for some reason the disk is presented differently under USB than when you run code on the actual target.
12:16:01GodEaterwhen you write to the disk over usb, the sector size is indeed 2048 byte
12:16:11GodEaterbut on the unit itself, you use 1024 bytes
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12:17:51JdGordonjhMikeS: menu.c :p
12:18:06jhMikeSJdGordon: It does draw it right, but I'm not seeing right off how it actually gets the value list
12:18:09David1Hello! Can you please tell me when the seeking on MPEG Player will be implemented?
12:18:29markunDavid1: no, that's impossible to tell
12:18:31*JdGordon brb
12:18:32David1Hello! Can you please tell me when the seeking on MPEG Player will be implemented?
12:18:33GodEaterDavid1: when someone decides to write it
12:18:37jhMikeSDavid1: yesterday :P
12:18:43markunDavid1: jhMikeS plans to do it I think
12:18:45intgrDavid1: As usual, when it's done. And we heard you the first time.
12:19:02*jhMikeS decided to write it but I really want dual core stuff implemented
12:19:10David1So months weeks or years?
12:19:17markunDavid1: exactly
12:19:32intgrWhat, there are dual core MP3 players?
12:19:39GodEaterintgr: ipods
12:19:47scorcheintgr: all PP devices
12:19:47markunall portalplayer targets
12:19:49GodEaterintgr: and other portalplayer based targets
12:19:50intgrGodEater: Specialized cores?
12:19:59GodEaterintgr: no - generalised as I understand it
12:20:03markunintgr: no, just 2 ARM7 cores
12:20:05GodEaterscorche: well done ;)
12:20:07David1So weeks?
12:20:10intgrWhat's the point then? :S
12:20:14jhMikeSI'll implement as if I have it available and then fudge until it works
12:20:14markunDavid1: or months or years
12:20:18scorcheDavid1: we dont give out timelines
12:20:28David1Well which?
12:20:30intgrDavid1: You can always help a little with a bounty. :)
12:20:32David1Oh OK
12:20:33scorcheDavid1: we dont give out timelines
12:20:40linuxstbDavid1: People work on Rockbox as a hobby in their spare time...
12:20:56jhMikeSyeah, I need to buy an iPod Photo/Color
12:21:03jhMikeSante up
12:21:30markunDavid1: maybe someone is secretly working on it and will come her in a few minutes and tell us "I added seeking support to MpegPlayer, where can I post my patch?"
12:21:33David1Can I pay them to do it?
12:21:36David1How much?
12:22:11David1Hundreds thousands?
12:22:23markunjhMikeS: yes, how much? :)
12:22:36jhMikeSOne iPod photo/color to get dual core support running on all players would help
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12:22:45scorchespeaking of ante... jhMikeS: can you please edit yourself on the "Who" section of the wiki as per the latest mail please? (it really makes things easier for me)
12:23:15David1markun: How much do you need?
12:23:17jhMikeSscorche: sure
12:24:13David1Someone is secretly working on it???
12:24:20jhMikeSYou, know, maybe the supposedly uncached RAM is still being cached there which would bust that...besides a defective swpb...nothing else should
12:24:22webguest52David1: buy one ipod photo/video to jhMikeS like he said he need one for working on rockbox
12:24:51David1What about a gigabeat?
12:25:07*jhMikeS has one but it's single core
12:25:16linuxstbjhMikeS: Then you need another ;)
12:25:34jhMikeSOne ipod and another gigabeat...yeah, sounds alright :)
12:25:40webguest52David1: he need an ipd video/photo or iriver h10...
12:26:08David1Where do I send it?
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12:26:36*jhMikeS needs a test on another PP5020 target to see if it's only the iPod going weird
12:26:44webguest52jhMikeS: ??? ; )
12:27:06jhMikeSWho has the H10 again?
12:27:51scorchebarry was the one that worked on that, if that is what you are asking
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12:27:54jhMikeS...and maybe linuxstb would kindly test with the changed instuction? :D
12:28:10JdGordonjhMikeS: back...
12:28:34jhMikeSscorche: right...if he's around and I'm not mention I'd like a quick test with that. thanks
12:29:00scorchedoes he know where the patch is located?....FS?
12:29:17jhMikeSscorche: I can put it on my person wiki page I suppose
12:29:19JdGordonthe value is got from menu->submenus[sel]->variable ....
12:29:37jhMikeSThere's one there but it's not the latest
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12:31:32jhMikeSJdGordon: thanks. The sound stuff needs fractional settings indeed to be right. Having the correct values also fixes the sound a bit since set_prescaled_volume kind of relied on it to be right
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12:35:07linuxstbjhMikeS: What do you need?
12:36:17jhMikeSlinuxstb: just to change the swpb to swp in test_and_set in thread.h. I know it's stupid but it's the kind of thing that systematically rules out possible causes.
12:36:59jhMikeSif it's not that, it would have to be the RAM is still cached or something
12:39:33jhMikeSmarkun: btw, I've much more than started it but syncing stuff after seek will just not be so reliable and really nasty if the COP can't send messages to the buffer thread
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12:43:07jhMikeSand what I hope to have there is a simple buffer that can be moved to the core and split away from playback and be multistream/COP compatible...then after with codecs
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12:48:00*jhMikeS must sound like a lunatic for wanting so much lined up in advance :P
12:49:07pondlifejhMikeS: Is there an updated version of yesterday's threading patch?
12:50:01pondlifeIt's been working ok here on a single core (H340) FWIW.
12:54:07jhMikeSpindlife: no update yet and not much changed from it except some queue squeezdown
12:54:19jhMikeSs/pindlife:/pondlife:/ :)
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13:00:12linuxstbjhMikeS: I assume you mean with your latest patch applied as well?
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13:01:28cropXavierGr: here?
13:01:51jhMikeSyes, otherwise it doesn't get used in the core
13:02:10jhMikeSonly by the CPU anway
13:02:22linuxstbjhMikeS: BTW, I've just noticed a warning - comparison between signed/unsigned in line 192 of kernel.c
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13:03:10jhMikeSyes, you can just change it to "unsigned int i;"
13:03:55jhMikeSprobably doesn't matter though
13:03:56linuxstbjhMikeS: Still freezes...
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13:04:53jhMikeShrm, then that memory likely is still cached...but thanks for checking it out
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13:06:28linuxstbBTW, CPU_ARM is defined for PP chips, so "#if defined(CPU_PP) || defined(CPU_PP)" can just be "#ifdef CPU_ARM" (around the definition of test_and_set() in thread.h)
13:06:47linuxstbI mean "#if defined(CPU_PP) || defined(CPU_AM)"
13:06:55linuxstbargh, you know what I mean...
13:07:00cropXavierGr, markun: I've checked nimbus-12. The mentioned glyph (Alphatonos) seems to be ok and in the right position (0x386=902). @XavierGr: could you check your tags? Are they correctly displayed on the PC?
13:08:22*linuxstb wonders if we should use something like ARCH_ARM instead of CPU_
13:10:20JdGordonif we go to a 4th target tree level we should
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13:12:06jhMikeSyeah, gigabeat won't pick it up then :)
13:13:13jhMikeSnow that I think about it...CPU_ARM should be enough but that's how it was left
13:14:32markuncrop: are you still planning to come to the devcon?
13:14:47jhMikeSJdGordon: is that the bit that calls down to talk_setting?
13:16:30jhMikeScan the sound menu hook it to do it instead? it can then use the num_decimals field.
13:18:29cropmarkun: not anymore. This was a one day thought.
13:18:49markundo you live in Sweden?
13:19:14jhMikeSJdGordon: sound.c defines a num_decimals field which gives the string back from say 45 as "4.5db"
13:19:38cropmarkun: no
13:19:42JdGordonok, but how can we voice the string?
13:21:31jhMikeSI'm not sure where the string is even being obtained (i.e. the call to get the string)
13:22:14jhMikeSthe formatter or whatever it is that does it
13:23:21JdGordonyou talking about sound_numdecimals()?
13:23:30JdGordonset_sound() calls it
13:25:47JdGordonis there a function which can voice a decimal value?
13:25:50JdGordonfrom the string..?
13:25:51jhMikeSIt looks like it's supposed to actually talk it right
13:26:33jhMikeSwhy's it calling sound_numdecimals and not using it?
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13:27:13JdGordonI dont know... that code wasnt touched very much to make it work when the settings went into the lists...
13:27:27*JdGordon cant wait till semester holidays
13:27:31JdGordonsoo much to fix up :p
13:27:39jhMikeSdec_sound_formatter is supposed to do it
13:28:33jhMikeSoh wait, nvm it doesn't handle the talking part
13:28:44JdGordonyeah... two seperate things...
13:28:57JdGordonWe might need a decimal talker funct
13:29:05JdGordonor just leave it for the time being
13:31:21jhMikeSthe set_xxx should just take struct that have a pointer passed around all over the place. the legacy stuff can wrap that.
13:31:52jhMikeSthen it's just trivial to add new params to it
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13:42:29jhMikeShehe, just figures a hack to passing a struct pointer when the string should go :P
13:43:59JdGordonjhMikeS: thats the plan.. sort of
13:44:24JdGordonlong term goal for the setting screens is simplify the interface alot
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14:10:30amiconnjhMikeS: I doubt that iram is cached on PP5020. But another idea would be to try to use the 'mailboxes'...
14:13:16jhMikeSamiconn: can try other things, but something must be amiss somehow if such a simple thing works basically everywhere else but there
14:13:38linuxstbI don't think mpegplayer would work at all if iram was cached on PP5020
14:14:46jhMikeSThere's nothing to this thing so the fact it breaks there says somethings goofed
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14:15:27jhMikeSthat's exactly what happens with wrong values read from the lock
14:16:58jhMikeSI'll test that out of course
14:20:13linuxstbjhMikeS: Are you going to bid on that 40GB Photo you linked to on ebay yesterday?
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14:21:52jhMikeSshould I? I wonder if the price bloated way up by now
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14:23:51linuxstbIt's still quite cheap with 12 hours to go -
14:24:29linuxstbBut there seem to be a lot of bidders, so the price is sure to rise
14:25:41jhMikeSI just put what I'm willing to pay minus shipping and leave it usually. So let it rise. I'll try until I hit...usually a few times at most.
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14:27:04linuxstbI expect the greyscale 4th gen or the 1st gen mini would be cheaper - they also have the same issues afaik.
14:28:25jhMikeSI should look at completed auctions and shoot at the bottom 1/3 or so of the price distribution as usually works well
14:28:30*amiconn never bids until a few seconds before the auction ends
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14:28:51amiconnBidding earlier just pushes the price unnecessarily
14:29:59jhMikeSBut at the least I make sure noone gets it too cheap. I've bid the price up on people that seem to follow me around and do that just to make 'em pay up.
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14:43:42cropIs the check for "wps_bufptr" (wps_parser.c:774) needed?
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14:44:18cropIIUC, wps_bufptr can never be null
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14:45:52cropShouldn't it rather be *wps_bufptr? I.e. testing for end of string?
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15:17:50cropHm... the wps_parser code is even dangerous since a buffer overrun is possible: wps_bufptr will scan beyond the trailing '\0'
15:24:24JdGordonhehe.. so someone can use it to load their own firmware.. big deal :p
15:24:39pondlifeCall Zune Linux!
15:24:44cropYes, a backdoor
15:25:06markunthose guys are really doing a great job
15:25:15markunI'm so glad they are in the pre-alpha phase now
15:25:22B4gder"We're working hard to recruit talented programmers to fulfill our mission"
15:26:38cropCan anybody try to load a WPS that ends with a string constant and has no EOL at the end? I can't atm
15:26:40markunhe has a degree in management and probably though that would be enough to take on such a project
15:27:30B4gder"I can manage people fine, I should be able to manage people into making zune linux in no time"
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15:33:33LinusNB4gder: as long as you have a good project plan, everything will turn out just fine - and on schedule
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15:34:19B4gderand a good site of course
15:34:25LinusNoh of course
15:34:26markunand donations!
15:34:28LinusNforgot that
15:34:28B4gderwith a fine logo
15:34:34JdGordonunless you have more than 2 people in the orgnaisation.. then (according to my lecture notes) the project will fail 90% of the time
15:35:00LinusNlike rockbox
15:35:07LinusNa huge failure
15:35:12LinusNa bag of shit
15:35:20B4gderdarn, you beat me to it ,-)
15:35:37bluebrotheroh, more fun from zune linux?
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15:36:07B4gderjust repeating old stuff
15:36:11*JdGordon loves how the channel was dead.. untill someone mentinos Zune linux :D
15:36:15*pondlife must refrain from mentioning it again
15:36:25pondlifeNow fix some bugs
15:36:39B4gderwhat, zune linux bugs? ;-]
15:36:48pondlifeThey probably don't have any yet.
15:36:50*B4gder ducks
15:36:55bluebrother*grrr* svn can be tricky sometimes ...
15:37:11pondlifeIf only Rockbox was as bug-free as ZL... :p
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15:37:52JdGordonjhMikeS: hmm... i tihnk your patch stuffs up the sim..
15:38:06pondlifeJdGordon: It does, he knows...
15:39:08jhMikeSJdGordon: Wasn't too concerned about that in the pre alpha stage
15:39:17*pondlife would like the sim to use the standard thread handling with one SDL thread per processor... rather than doing it's own thing.
15:39:45JdGordonjhMikeS: of course... but some of us do our own things with the local patched source :p
15:40:05pondlifeErm, is "pre-alpha" catching?
15:40:58bluebrotherwhat's the letter before alpha? *g*
15:42:00jhMikeSJdGordon: and btw, I've no real idea how to sneak a quick thing in to talk decimal numbers
15:42:09amiconnNo letter... but perhaps a tonos? ;)
15:42:25JdGordonjhMikeS: dont worry about it...
15:42:26jhMikeSare those tasty?
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15:42:50markunamiconn: if you are talking unicode there are many letter before alpha of course
15:43:46jhMikeSJdGordon: if all this stuff got passed a pointer to the settings structure entry, it'd be tons easier
15:44:23*JdGordon agress
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15:46:26*crop tries to materialise Nico_P in this channel
15:46:45*B4gder offers crop some extra clay to work with
15:47:10*pondlife tries to prevent crop succeeding for no good reason
15:47:42*JdGordon makes more blue text
15:47:58*bluebrother wonders why the text ought to be blue
15:48:08*JdGordon because
15:48:24*JdGordon unless your irc client has different colours...
15:48:27*pondlife adds another line of purple text
15:48:29*JdGordon then it doesnt have to be
15:48:40*bluebrother looks at grey text with white nicks
15:48:47pondlifeJdGordon: You're cheating... those aren't sentences.
15:49:13*JdGordon fail english? thats unpossible
15:49:18*B4gder puts the "cheater" sticker on JdGordon's back
15:49:38bluebrotherha! I knew it! We have a cheater in here.
15:50:31*pondlife points at JDGordon as Nico_P appears
15:51:06JdGordonNico_P appears?
15:51:17*JdGordon dont see him
15:51:21pondlifeNo, I lied a bit to confuse crop.
15:51:28*JdGordon thinks pondlife has finally lost "it"
15:51:36pondlifeNe'er had "it".
15:52:03pondlifeback to work ... booored.
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16:14:46cropAnyone with access to the latest sim? I'll forget it, that's for sure!
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16:55:24cropWhat?! Still no Nico_P??? =:-O
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16:57:21JdGordonfooled ya :D
17:04:11cropJdGordon: he-he. But since you are Nico_P, could you test a WPS consisting of just one line of text, e.g. "Hey" −− but without a EOL at the end. I.e. the file should be 3 bytes long.
17:05:16cropThis should let the pointer go beyound the real data if I'm reading the WPS code right
17:05:38JdGordonwith −−debugwps?
17:05:54JdGordonloaded correctly
17:07:02JdGordoncrop: ... works fine
17:07:15crop hrm... then I don't understand something. I mean the code in wps_parser.c:774
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17:07:59cropJdGordon: it reads "while (wps_bufptr..." but it should be "while (*wps_bufptr" IMO
17:08:23JdGordon... if you say so :p
17:08:39cropIt would be interesting to know the value of len when that loop is left
17:08:58JdGordonpass me a patch and ill check...
17:09:12jhMikeSisn't there a datasheet somewhere for the WM8975? I can't find one. I have the WM8751 which seems the same sans ADC.
17:09:31cropWhat did dump_wps (or what's the name?) show? Did you use −−debugwps?
17:10:16cropI assume that the value will be greater than 3. But it should be 3.
17:10:54JdGordonString buffer used: 11 out of 1024 bytes +
17:11:43cropJdGordon: that's wrong IMO. You only have 3 letters!
17:12:10JdGordoni did 2 lines, coz i stuffed the echo
17:12:22JdGordonthe 2nd doesnt have \n
17:12:33cropAnd if you'd change the line to be *wps_bufptr, I bet it will be 3
17:12:42jhMikeSah, found the forum post about this
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17:13:36JdGordoncrop: um.. ok... im going to bed... better wait around for nico
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18:01:06Siltaarhello everyone,
18:01:31Siltaardo someone know why the .voice files have to be smaller than 1,4MO ?
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18:03:36linuxstbSiltaar: That's how much free space there is in the Archos devices
18:05:00Siltaarok, thanks
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18:22:11Nico_Proolku ?
18:24:39markunNico_P: crop was looking for you all day
18:24:52Nico_Pmarkun: I'll read the logs then :)
18:27:56toffe82Nico_P: 11 hours and still running
18:28:17Nico_Ptoffe82: nice :)
18:28:38Nico_Pare you using the battery benc plugin or just timing yourself ?
18:28:38toffe82Nico_P: I will post the result on the wiki
18:29:21toffe82the battery bench and also I started yesterday night at 10pm (more or less)
18:29:46toffe82I hope I didn't make a mistake on to start the battery bench :)
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18:30:47markuntoffe82: which player?
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18:33:33Nico_PLear ?
18:34:14toffe82markun: playing a full album mp3 at 320kbps to be sure there are acces to the disk
18:34:26Nico_Pjust saw your commit... I was about to make a similar one :)
18:35:13roolkuNico_P: yes
18:35:45Nico_Proolku: I was going to ask you to test a patch, but now you can just test the latest SVN :)
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18:36:16Nico_P(concerning your forum posts about blank tags)
18:36:18roolkuNico_P: :) stil at work, but will do when i get home
18:36:50Nico_Pit should work fine anyway
18:37:37Nico_PLear: I would've tested (value && *value) instead of (value && strlen(value)) FWIW
18:37:56roolkuNico_P: just thought the same thing
18:38:24LearMaybe, yes, but the old code used strlen... :)
18:39:44Nico_PLear: have you read crop's concerns in today's log ?
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18:42:26LearYou mean the bufptr stuff?
18:42:52LearI seem to recall making similar comments myself, pre-commit... :)
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18:43:47heanolafter installing rockbox i can't seem to get my sansa mplayer detected as a mass storage thingy when connected through usb
18:43:55heanolit just starts up the original sansa os when connected
18:44:00heanoland starts charging
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18:45:17bluebrotherthe sansa needs the OF for usb mode
18:45:29bluebrotheroriginal firmware
18:45:42heanolso.. how am i supposed to be able to uninstall rockbox?
18:45:43bluebrotherso it's intended to reboot once you connect usb
18:46:05bluebrotherthe same way you installed it? Using it as UMS device?
18:46:26heanolbut i can't get it o act like a ums device
18:46:29bluebrotherI don't have a sansa, but I'm pretty sure it's described in the manual
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18:46:40heanoli find no settings in rockbox, and it's set to MSC in sansa os
18:46:47heanolmass storage controller is the same as ums i guess
18:46:56heanolcause thats the mode i had it when i installed
18:47:01Nico_PLear: yes, that. what might not be evident is that the WPS file loading ensures every line ends with '\n'
18:47:07bluebrotheryou need to change its usb mode to install Rockbox, so it's that mode
18:47:15bluebrotheryes, I think the sansa calls it MSC
18:47:18heanolbluebrother, yeah.
18:47:25heanolbut it doesnt work as a UMS/MSC anymore after installing rockbox
18:47:49bluebrotherif it's running the OF it should. Maybe that setting got reset?
18:49:09heanolbluebrother, i've checked the setting and it's set to MSC
18:49:26bluebrotherI have no idea about the sandisk firmware.
18:49:36bluebrotherRockbox shouldn't affect it in any way ...
18:49:44LearNico_p: but he's right about that while (line 774), imo.
18:50:18heanolrockbox won't play music correctly, and i can't add new music
18:50:21heanoland i can't uninstall it
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18:53:10heanolhmm, my bad i guess, i tried hooking it up to my laptop instead and that worked
18:53:15heanolwhat the..
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18:57:55Nico_PI have a problem with my H300: the sound started to only come out only one of the earbuds in both rockbox and the OF, so its not a setting problem
18:58:40DomonokyNico_P: you tested with other earbuds ?
18:59:03Nico_Pyes, it's been tested on several different pairs of earbuds
18:59:18Domonokybad, so its the device..
18:59:35Domonokyif you are lucky its only the headphone socket..
18:59:40heanolstrange, uninstalled rockbox from the other comp and now it works as a MSC/UMS again on both comps..
19:01:06Nico_PDomonoky: doesn't look like it's the headphone socket... both the line out and the heaphone plug are affected and behave the same (i.e. weird noises when the plug is moved)
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19:02:24LearBuild server acting up again?
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19:03:28DomonokyNico_P: weird noise while moving the plug sounds like a bad connection, but on both sockets ?
19:05:51DomonokyNico_P: it doesnt sound like it would be easy to repair, but perhaps someone with more knowlege about the hardware could help, maybe LinusN..
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19:07:55Nico_PDomonoky: that's what I'm afraid of.... I'm filing an RMA request but my warranty is over since the 17th of april :(
19:08:12bluebrothermaybe it's a bad soldering at the output pins of the TLV
19:09:28DomonokyNico_P: just use a nokia charger, then the sound isnt a problem anymore *hehe*
19:09:49Nico_PI'll pass on that
19:15:48BagderLear: yeps, me poked on it
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19:25:41amiconnBuild server poker ;)
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19:26:18Nico_PLear: yeah, about line 774 I think it should be *wps_bufptr instead of wps_bufptr. it prevents infinite looping when the string doesn't end with '\n' (which actually should never be the case)
19:26:22amiconnBagder: Maybe it'd be a good idea to disable obo's sserver for sim builds temporarily?
19:26:56Nico_PLear: what about using *value instead of the strlen(value) you added ?
19:27:09Bagderyeah, I'll do that
19:27:18Learamiconn: Something for the devcon perhaps?
19:27:24amiconnMy server is fixed, as (I think) is storebror
19:27:33LearNico_p: Feel free.
19:27:40Bagderno, storebror is still bad
19:27:46BagderI just disabled sdl builds from it
19:27:52Nico_PLear: I don't know, does it sound better ?
19:27:58amiconnHmm, why don't you just downgrade binutils?
19:28:02amiconnLear ?
19:28:16Bagderbecause disabling the builds were faster and easier
19:28:27Learamiconn: Poker, as in the card game.
19:28:30amiconnAh, that laziness thing ;)
19:28:39amiconnLear: oh ;)
19:28:42Bagderyeah, scary thing that
19:29:03amiconnWell, downgrading binutils isn't that time-consuming...
19:29:13*amiconn will check for further updates
19:30:02amiconn2.17cvs-20070426-x (x = 2 or 3) are the broken ones
19:30:37amiconnHmm, maybe -3 is okay... /me should test
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19:33:36amiconnNo, -3 is still broken
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19:51:15*Nico_P got the CONTRIBUTING doc thrown at by petur...
19:51:21Nico_PI hope he's happy now :)
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20:09:34fm2Nico_P: hello
20:11:30fm2Nico_P: I've just submitted a patch for the problem spotted by crop. I understand why it still works. But you already committed a patch for this! :-) My patch also improves (IMHO) code readability at once place. Care to have a look?
20:11:51Nico_Pfm2: sure. it's on the tracker ?
20:12:12fm2Nico_P: yes, since ~5 min
20:12:33fm2Nico_P: the change is really a very small one
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20:13:24Nico_Pfm2: as you said, the first hunk is already in SVN
20:13:47Nico_Pabout the second, I'm not sure it's much more readable
20:14:14Nico_Pand it seems a bit less clean :)
20:14:17fm2Nico_P: that was my taste. Too much magic in the loop 'header'
20:14:21intgrMy sent PMs on the forum aren't showing up in the 'Outbox' folder; is this OK?
20:14:59fm2Nico_P: but the main thing was that bufptr
20:15:06Nico_Pfm2: the loop header is a compact and correct way of doing the job. and the comment states the essential facts
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20:15:54toffe82Nico_P: still running 13h
20:15:59fm2Nico_P: you can close the patch. This will be the shortest living patch ever! :-)
20:16:09Nico_Pfm2: ok :)
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20:17:11LearNico_p: Though the "found" variable doesn't seem to add much... :)
20:17:56Lear(Unless it is used further down, of course...)
20:18:06Nico_PLear: actually it's used later on and I can't rely on the value of i to know if a match was found
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20:27:59Nico_Plooks like we have another stallen build
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20:42:33H10_007quickHey anyone notice that the H10 5gb is gone from the current build page?
20:43:16bluebrotherit's not gone
20:43:39bluebrotherwe have a hanging build and that one hasn't been updated by the build ...
20:43:43H10_007quickthe 20gb is there but the 5gb is not
20:43:49bluebrotherat least it looks like it stalled right there.
20:43:50H10_007quicki see
20:44:02bluebrotherjust look at the timestamps of the commit messages
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20:45:23bluebrotherhmm, too late. Oh my.
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20:58:22jhMikeSI hope someones around that can confirm: The MCLK source on a Gigabeat is 16.9344Mhz?
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21:01:26toffe82jhMikeS: there is a crystal of this value on the gigabeat : FCX-03-16.9344-10.5/50-LF
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21:02:04toffe82jhMikeS: I don't have one open here and cannot say if it is the one of the cpu, after there is a 24mhz
21:02:44toffe82and a 32.768 also
21:03:02amiconntoffe82: The latter is most likely kHz, not MHz
21:03:09amiconn(rtc xtal)
21:03:24toffe82amiconn: you win on this one :)
21:03:32toffe82MC-146 32.768K 7/10
21:04:15toffe82I think that the 24mhz is for the usb chip
21:04:17jhMikeSthat's probably the RTC xtal
21:04:50jhMikeSyes, USB is 12/24Mhz. No way it supports all those samplerates then.
21:04:54toffe82because it is the same on the dock
21:05:18markunbtw, there is also an unsused space for an extra xtal on both the F and X mobo
21:05:25jhMikeS16.9344MHz is listed in the WM8751 datasheet and supports 5 sample rates
21:05:48markunjhMikeS: but we can also use the 24MHz clock (which we do)
21:05:57amiconn32.768kHz is very common for RTCs (and is aslo one option for the TEA5767 FM radio chip)
21:06:17jhMikeSmarkun: you can switch the clock source for the DAC?
21:06:35markunat least that was what I tried to do
21:07:32jhMikeSbut where is it actually switched to a different clock source?
21:07:33markunjhMikeS: did you run into problems while changing the frequency or something?
21:08:04markunhm, I I though both clocks were supplied, maybe a stupid assumption :)
21:08:08jhMikeSnot exactly, I'm putting in a separate driver since the WM8751 isn't really entirely compatible with these other chips
21:08:56jhMikeSthere's some register bit collisions on them and such
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21:10:44jhMikeSthere's only one MCLK line and setting the USB mode just sets a codec mode
21:10:54markunyes, I see it now
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21:15:57markunjhMikeS: do you see the empty x3;filename=3.jpg
21:16:20markunx1, x2 and x4 are all ocillators
21:16:31markunI wonder what it's connected to
21:18:38toffe82markun: as I see the photo, look top right (over L1 B) there is 2 empty spot of 6 contact each, any idea ? :)
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21:20:08jhMikeSthe audio codec is covered up though
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21:21:06jhMikeSthe 24Mhz is by the USB chip I think, what's closest the WM8751? The 16.9344 Mhz?
21:22:28toffe82the 16 is closet to the wm
21:22:43jhMikeSthat's makes much sense indeed
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21:23:16toffe82the 24 is on the right side of the usb and the wm is near the flat cable of the lcd and so the 16
21:25:54chrisjs169|afkwhat's up with the latest build?
21:27:32bluebrotherit's hanging
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21:27:52chrisjs169|afkany idea what's causing it to hang?
21:27:59markunjhMikeS: hm, sorry I added all those unsopported frequencies then.. thing too is that pcm_set_frequency isn't suppost to just hit the hardware right off, you have to call pcm_apply_settings or stop and restart
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21:30:08jimbobukI want to get a newer build of rockbox that may fix a problem i'm having... where are the binaries for the builds shown here ???
21:30:12markuna good think more rockbox devs have a Gigabeat these days to check the things we did
21:32:03jimbobukfor gigabeat, after version r13296
21:34:46toffe82jimbobuk: what problem do you have ?
21:35:06jimbobuki can see all the source revisions etc (nice system there too seeing compile errors etc)
21:35:19jimbobukthe link to the gigabeat, via its image what version is this?
21:35:23jimbobukthe last build made?
21:35:42markunjimbobuk: which problem are you having with your Gigabeat right now?
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21:36:19markunand can make a current build for you if you want
21:36:25jimbobuki can't see how to pick a particular build out of the history, happy to go with newest for now, but would like to know how to pick a particular build
21:36:34jimbobukahh there are no builds available just source/diffs
21:36:45jimbobuki'd like to be setup to make the source myself sometime, not today tho.. :)
21:36:50jimbobukthe problem is corrupt playlists
21:36:56jimbobuki installed gigabeat for 1st time a few days ago
21:37:10jimbobukinserting, queing albums causes playlist corruptions
21:37:26jimbobuki ranted a bit too long about it here...;topicseen#new
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21:39:11markunjimbobuk: ok, latest build is on the site again
21:40:11jimbobukhave you changed anything, or has it just updated?
21:40:38jimbobukso 2007-05-02 17:14 version is at that link i posted above?
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21:41:56markunyes, that link always points to the latest build
21:43:39jimbobukwhat dev environment is needed to compile rockbox? is there a guide on the wiki somewhere?
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21:44:47chrisjs169|afkjimbobuk: you don't really need much of a dev environment, either a Linux computer or cygwin
21:45:31*jhMikeS rather enjoys not having recording to deal with makes the pcm driver rather complex
21:45:45Bagderand the cross-compiler
21:47:07jimbobukok cool, i'll give it a whirl sometime... anyone know whats behind the build monitoring pages, its pretty neat stuff... we've got something similar setup at work but its not as powerful
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21:47:57Bagderjimbobuk: a set of scripts we wrote
21:48:23Bagderand of course a set of servers to do the builds
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21:49:15jimbobukahh not based on some freely available system... congrats, really nice to see the break down of warnings, errors etc... what are the scores on the right of the table
21:49:42Bagderjimbobuk: the scores is just the errors * N + warnings, mostly just for fun really
21:50:23jimbobukwith N being?
21:50:27jimbobukits cool
21:51:03jimbobukwe've got ours to try and spot who broke the build ;) different targets the same.. not as many targets but bigger (read slower) code to make
21:51:04BagderN being 10
21:51:38Bagderour code is almost 400,000 lines
21:51:48Bagderlast time I counted
21:52:08jimbobukits cool, do most web based svn open source systems have something similar... makes a lot of sense..
21:52:29jimbobuki've not counted our lines in a while... its pretty big.. too big :)
21:52:35Bagderthis isn't really dependent on svn, we had the same concept with cvs previously
21:52:50markunit depends on the project I guess
21:52:52Bagdersvn is better designed for it though so it is easier
21:53:06jimbobukoh sure, i just meant any online dev setup really where u can't face to face as easily and its nice to be able to get an overview
21:53:23jimbobukto be honest we switched to svn from cvs and have had some problems with the server being pwned
21:53:32BagderI was inspired by tinderbox when I first wrote this script
21:53:44markunjimbobuk: the problem with rockbox is that you might break an ipod build while you only wanted to change something for an iriver
21:53:50Bagderbut they say buildbot is nice too
21:54:23jimbobuksvn can be a bit too unresponsive at times for us, we dont update the server/client enough so maybe we've got a poor version of it.. i think one of our coders found it taking a lot of time in the authentication
21:54:53markunBagder: did you implement the ideas you had for speeding up the building?
21:54:59markundownloading while building
21:55:02Bagdernot yet
21:55:09markunspeculative assignment
21:55:28jimbobukmarkun: sure.. we've got the same problem.. annoyingly windows and linux compilers are hard to get to warn, or error the same.. very frustrting
21:55:48Bagderbut I have a version with at least parallell downloading implemented
21:55:55BagderI'll do a test run one of these days
21:56:01markunjimbobuk: which project are you part of?
21:56:17Bagderhey, I do the "show warnings and errors" for curl as well
21:56:24Bagderand _there_ we have a variety of compilers
21:56:34jimbobuki'm a games programmer on a next gen console/pc game
21:56:41Bagderevery unix and windows one you can name ;-)
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21:58:46BagderGodEater_: your build server seemss to be in a strange state
22:00:02Bagder... and is currently disabled
22:00:07jimbobukBagder: you manage to get no issues purely from a compiler reporting differnet classes of errors? can't remember right now what kind of ones we get... its annoying as we have folks who are just on windows, you code and compile... if the compiler can't tell you its borked and then u commit and break linux folks or PS3 its a bit of a pain
22:01:41Bagdercurl runs on POSIX, old unix, vms, amiga, netware, windows, qnx and more. we do autobuilds and automated tests on numerous platforms non-stop to make sure it remains functional all over
22:02:16Bagderbut that's pretty OT for this channel now ;-)
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22:02:30jimbobukyeah true :)
22:03:00jimbobukinteresting stuff.. I'll give this build a go in a bit.. if it works i can get on and use the rockbox gigabeat with more confidence
22:03:30markunjimbobuk: and if it doesn't work maybe you can try to find out what's wrong
22:03:53jimbobuki'd like to find out how much battery life i get with all flac files, if its not terrible i may go down that route for it.. if not back to mp3 or mpc... i noticed my battery was a bit low, but skipping tracks and filling buffers can't help.. nor haivng a look at doom :)
22:04:14jimbobukmarkun: definitely will do when i can... its definitely down to inserting, or queuing an album in the database view
22:04:17jimbobukmaybe file view too
22:06:05pixelmajimbobuk: I think it is fixed - about 20h ago someone reprted the same issue first, right after he updated his build and said it works alright again
22:06:50markunjimbobuk: turning on dircache can help if you browse alot
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22:07:35jimbobukgreat, jdgordon seemed to think it was his fault, and his fix.. so i'm hopeful.. as i followed the guide i wasn't really clear that i was getting the latest cutting edge build, i assumed it was some last stable version..
22:08:14markunno, there is no stable version for the Gigabeat
22:08:30markunat least nothing with that label
22:08:56jimbobukmarkun: yeah.. i turned on the runtime stats option the other night as well and wasn't sure if turning that on had caused the problem, think its fine... be intereted to see how that option works, i went into some view of it and all it had was something labeled 0 which had tracks inside
22:09:30jimbobukmarkun: ahh ok, some other versions reached a milestone point though and had a build saved for people to try if they wanted a more guaranteed version.
22:10:15*ender` yawns
22:11:16markunjimbobuk: I personally wouldn't mind if there never was a rockbox release again
22:11:47*Bagder agrees
22:11:49jimbobukmarkun: sure, when i get one i'm happy with i'm sure i'll think the same... take a backup as well whenever you update and u can rollback fairly easily if something dont work so well
22:12:00BagderI use debian unstable release-less just fine
22:12:12markunsame with FreeBSD here
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22:12:30markunsomehow I always update at the worst times :)
22:12:34jimbobuki've not even started looking into the non-official ports to get things like cover art working, be happy to just start it playing and working first
22:12:40jimbobuk:) i guess i did just that
22:15:12jhMikeSThe gigabeat is little endian right?
22:15:37markunbut we could switch if we wanted
22:16:05Bagderusually sub systems are fixed-endian so switching is painful
22:16:55jhMikeSummm...I think it's ok if it stays constant :)
22:17:11markunyes, it would probably become a mess otherwise
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22:22:02amiconnBagder: Re the debian unstable and just fine - what about those nasty binutils?
22:22:43amiconnThat said, I'm using debian unstable myself...
22:22:50Bagderthey're still nasty
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22:23:40pixelmaLinusN: earlier Nico_P described problems with his H3x0 (I also read it only in the logs) - it reminded me of the issue pondlife had
22:24:45Nico_PLinusN: yes, I've lost a sound channel
22:25:06LinusNcould be the 1380
22:25:08Nico_Pthe right one is mute on both the headphone socket and the line out
22:25:56Nico_PLinusN: is there something to be done about it ?
22:26:25LinusNwell, i replaced pondlife's UDA1380
22:26:32*amiconn wonders what's up with the 1380, and hopes he won't be hit by that problem :/
22:28:40Nico_PLinusN: what issues did pondlife have ? the same ?
22:29:03LinusNboth channels lost iirc
22:30:37Nico_Phow much work does a replacement involve ?
22:30:48LinusNNico_P: i can do that, if you find a spare UDA1380
22:30:59LinusNit is fairly complicated
22:31:35Nico_Pare these expensive ? where can they be found ?
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22:32:52LinusNif you are lucky, you can get a sample from philips, else you have to rip one from another player
22:33:33Nico_PLinusN: hmm ok. Is it possible that it could have been damaged by misuse of one of the line in/out jacks ?
22:33:46LinusNESD perhaps
22:34:05Nico_PESD ?
22:34:13LinusNelectrostatic discharge
22:34:37Nico_Pah yes maybe
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22:35:30Nico_Pmy brother wanted to try recording his guitar. He doesn't remember whether he plugged the jack in the line in or the line out and says the reocrding source was set on the internal mic
22:35:51Nico_Phe thinks he caused it
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22:42:25LinusNNico_P: see if you can find a broken H-series player you can rip the UDA1380 from
22:42:43LinusNthen i can help you with the transplant
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22:56:18TrueJournalsFirst, please don't type in all capital letters.
22:56:25webguest92yeah sorry
22:56:29bluebrotherI can't answer screaming questions.
22:56:31webguest92didnt mean to
22:56:32TrueJournalsSecond, can you be a bit more specific? How is it not working?
22:56:59webguest92i wasnt trying to scream i pushed the caps lock by accident. soory
22:57:30webguest92yeah i cant watch movies on rockbox anymore.
22:57:55bluebrotherdepends on.
22:57:59TrueJournalsThat's not really more specific
22:58:01bluebrotherdo you get an error message?
22:58:22webguest92ok i can;t watch movies anymore it doesnt play them can you help?
22:58:33webguest92no i just cant play them/
22:58:35bluebrothernot unless you tell me the exact problem
22:58:38TrueJournalsWhat happens when you select a movie to play it?
22:58:42TrueJournalsDoes it just do nothing?
22:58:43bluebrotherdid the videos work before?
22:59:01webguest92that is the problem. i click on the movie but it doesn't play.
22:59:08webguest92yeah they worked.
22:59:13webguest92not anymore.
22:59:22bluebrotherand what did you do in between?
22:59:30webguest92what do you mean?
22:59:47bluebrotherit worked, and now it doesn't work anymore. What did you do to your installation?
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23:00:06webguest92before i just copied the movies to its drive. then i played them. i cant do that anymore.
23:00:23bluebrotherdid you made any changes to your installation?
23:00:55bluebrotherwhat build are you using? Tried updating to the most recent current build?
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23:01:41webguest92sorry i'm at school and i got to go. thank you for the help!!! : )
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23:10:51johnycan someone help me?
23:11:11toffe82just ask
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23:11:26toffe82your question
23:12:33johnyi have on my ipod video 5g podzilla with the ipodloader 2 installed
23:13:00johnyand i have the cracked ipod firmware for the games on my ipod
23:13:24Bagderthat sounds like ipod linux stuff
23:13:28Bagderthis is #rockbox
23:13:35johnyan my loader.cfg is like that
23:13:39bluebrotherand we don't support IPL's Loader2
23:14:03johnyApple OS@ramimg
23:14:08johnyDisk Mode@diskmode
23:14:18Mode"#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
23:14:18bluebrotherpastebin ...
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23:14:37johnybut rockbox dont start
23:14:44bluebrotherplus, we don't support Loader2. Ask the guys who wrote it.
23:14:53bluebrotheror use the Rockbox bootloader.
23:15:05Bagderyou need some special ninja version of that loader for it to be able to load rockbox
23:15:10johnybut then i can only boot apple os und rockbox
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23:15:24bluebrotherthat is wrong, but undocumented ;)
23:15:35*bluebrother boots IPL using the Rockbox bootloader
23:16:15johnyhow can i xhange betwenn apple os ipl and rockbox?
23:16:32bluebrotherput the kernel on the fat partition
23:16:36bluebrothername it "linux.bin"
23:16:46bluebrotherthen hold Play upon boot.
23:17:24johnyand for apple os the hold grope
23:17:45*bluebrother thinks we should document that function
23:17:58johnyare you a developer
23:18:16bluebrothernot exactly
23:18:28johnywhat then?
23:18:45bluebrotherdon't know ... manual developer?
23:19:01johnyho help rockbox
23:19:05johnywrite etc
23:20:09johnywhat is the special ninja version?
23:20:19bluebrotherask the IPL guys.
23:20:31bluebrotherI don't know (and am not interested in it)
23:21:14johnyand whrer can i find them
23:21:49bluebrother<repeat mode>I don't know (and am not interested in it)</repeat mode>
23:22:04johnywhen comes rockipedia
23:22:22bluebrotherwhen it comes.
23:22:28bluebrotherwe don't estimate time frames.
23:23:44johnyan with the new dict plugin i can watch wikipedi?
23:24:05linuxstbjohny: Obvious question, but did you extract the file to your FAT32 partition, and do you have a rockbox.ipod file in a .rockbox folder?
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23:25:20johnyyes i have
23:25:44johnybut when i dont have the cracked apple firmware then it works!
23:25:56johnywith it dint work
23:26:11bluebrotherwhat is there to crack about AppleOS?
23:26:19linuxstbSaying "didn't work" doesn't give us anything to go on...
23:26:23johnydrm hack
23:26:58johnyfor the games
23:27:37johnyhow can I write plugin for rockbox box?
23:27:54bluebrotherread the wiki ...
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23:28:37bluebrotherand ask specific questions if there are any
23:28:40linuxstbjohny: (especially the "For Developers" section, and the guide to writing plugins)
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23:32:30johnyin which language plugis are written?
23:32:41johnyc or c++
23:32:53bluebrotherRockbox is written in c
23:32:59bluebrotherso you need c for plugins
23:33:11johnyhmm...dont well
23:33:20johnyi cant c but c++
23:33:37linuxstbIf you can program C++, I'm sure you can manage C
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23:35:57johnywhy never write a calc plugin with better gui
23:36:31linuxstbNo-one has cared enough to do it
23:36:59johnybut I11
23:39:08johnywith the new dict plugin wikipedia work on rockbox?
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23:40:13johnycan i ask where you from?
23:41:07johnywhere you from?
23:41:43linuxstbThe UK
23:41:51johnywhats that?
23:42:05linuxstbThe United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
23:42:36johnyiam from germany
23:42:49bluebrotherit's sometimes abbreviated as "GB" here :)
23:42:59linuxstbbluebrother: But incorrectly :)
23:43:23bluebrotheryes, but I'm not in the UK ... so most people don't know
23:43:42linuxstbMost people in the UK don't get it right either
23:43:42bluebrotherI'm in the same country as johny −− but not using t-offline *g*
23:44:07bluebrother(unless I got the hostname wrong)
23:44:29johnykannst du deutsch?
23:44:39johnysag mal was
23:44:49bluebrothernot in this channel as it is an english spoken one.
23:45:10johnyi dont thin you are from germany..
23:45:20bluebrotherdoch, bin ich *fg*
23:45:45johnyare you registret at the rockbox lounge?
23:46:14johnydo you know the rockboxcast?
23:46:24johnyim a mod
23:46:25bluebrotherhas there been one released yet?
23:46:36johnynot yet
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23:47:19bluebrotherI'm still waiting for the first ;-)
23:47:21johnywe have problems witch the design..
23:49:28bluebrotherI just saw that ... looks awful on XGA resolution
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23:51:05johnyi go sleep
23:51:34johnya question @ bluebrother
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23:51:48johnywhy you know my isp
23:51:59bluebrotherhint: whois.
23:52:16bluebrotheryour IP isn't cloaked, and it's easy to guess the ISP from that ;-)
23:52:45linuxstbjohny: I saw your hostname when you joined the channel..
23:53:18TrueJournals"johny is (New Now Know How)"
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23:53:31johnywhy i dont se your
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23:53:48bluebrotherissue the whois command, and if you don't get one it's cloaked.
23:53:52bluebrother(like mine)
23:54:08johnyhow can i cloake
23:54:26gursikhgod I would love a /rockbox/user/ cloak
23:54:31jimbobukdo folks tend to put their music in folders that is just artist-album, or do you go for a nested artist/album
23:54:40jimbobuki worry i may hit the max num items in a directory
23:54:50jimbobukthough with flac on a 40gig drive i guess thats not really an issue
23:54:55scorcheyou either become affiliated with a group or you go ask freenode staff for an unaffiliated one
23:54:57linuxstbjimbobuk: I think most people use artist/album, or even genre/artist/album
23:55:16scorchegursikh: we decided not to have one...we like cloaks to be special ;)
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23:55:23gursikhI know :-(
23:55:25bluebrotherjohny, you need to get a cloak ... you can get an unaffiliated cloak by freenode
23:55:34jimbobukare most using the file view or the database view.. i take it the later is perfectly stable and just as quick, if not quicker?
23:55:35gursikhmaybe i'll register rockboxx :-P
23:55:41bluebrotherthe main use of cloaks is to identify people of a project more easily
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23:56:07scorchegursikh: but then you would be imposing on freenode namespace
23:56:24bluebrotherso I can /who rockbox/developer/* and get a list of all (registered) devs that are online.
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23:57:01pixelmabluebrother: speaking of hostnames... I always wanted to ask you if you've ever met Rincewind in person...?
23:57:06gursikhscorche, just joking :-P Just love to have one cause I love rockbox
23:57:17soccerbapso I did a search of old irc logs
23:57:19bluebrotherpixelma, not yet −− but I know he's at my city ...
23:57:22soccerbapAND I checked the forums
23:57:26soccerbapso please don't think I'm a n00b
23:57:38scorchegursikh: then become a dev and you will get one ;)
23:57:44*gursikh runs away
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23:57:56pixelmayeah - iirc he sometimes locks in from uni too
23:58:02soccerbapmy ihp-140 keeps giving me a "codec not found" error
23:58:27soccerbapand the .rockbox directory is unbrowsable (shows up as corrupt) from explorer when connected
23:58:41linuxstbsoccerbap: Do you still have a rockbox.iriver file in the root of your disk and an old bootloader?
23:58:55soccerbaplinux - checking

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