#rockbox 2007-05-03

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#rockbox log for 2007-05-03

00:00:06	soccerbap	its only the .rockbox directory thats fucked
00:00:16	soccerbap	I can even play media in other folers
00:01:01	soccerbap	weird
00:01:04	linuxstb	Can you delete or rename the .rockbox folder?
00:01:08	soccerbap	nope
00:01:10	soccerbap	tried
00:01:24	a1titude	check the permissions
00:01:27	soccerbap	my question is, besides a format, any suggestions?
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00:01:45	a1titude	try and delete it and unzip a fresh one! :p
00:02:00	jimbobuk	asked earlier, but does anyone just use flacs on a gigabeat... what kind of battery life are you seeing?
00:02:17	linuxstb	soccerbap: It sounds more like a windows issue than Rockbox though...
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00:03:01	soccerbap	linux - how is that possible, it plays in windows, doesn't work when dc'd
00:03:16	soccerbap	and every folder but rockbox itself is accessable
00:03:23	soccerbap	I can't check the .rockbox permissions btw
00:03:31	soccerbap	it just locks up when I click on it
00:03:33	soccerbap	so weird
00:03:41	soccerbap	but everything else works great
00:03:47	soccerbap	(in windows)
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00:05:09	soccerbap	ok, wait finally got to permissions
00:05:12	soccerbap	it was read only for some reason
00:05:17	soccerbap	but its showing up as 0 bytes
00:05:20	soccerbap	0 folders
00:05:28	soccerbap	so I'm gonna delete if possible
00:05:52	bluebrother	run chkdsk /f
00:06:11	soccerbap	blue - already did, i'll give it one more shot though
00:06:48	bluebrother	make sure you added the /f flag. I also found chkdsk running better than scandisk
00:06:54	bluebrother	hth
00:07:13	linuxstb	jimbobuk: This page may help - battery runtimes on various iriver players, including MP3 and FLAC - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverRuntime
00:08:13	soccerbap	allright
00:08:16	soccerbap	running it with the /f flag
00:08:18	soccerbap	thanks
00:09:21	soccerbap	oho!
00:09:34	soccerbap	it got rid of the entry
00:09:37	soccerbap	sweet
00:09:48	soccerbap	I'll re-unzip and hopefully that'll fix it
00:09:55	soccerbap	thanks a ton
00:10:06	linuxstb	jimbobuk: A rough estimate is that you might get around 12-13 hours of FLAC playback. But a test is needed...
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00:12:09	soccerbap	convert lost chains to files? (never seen this before)
00:12:16	soccerbap	gonna try "y"
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00:12:23	bluebrother	you most likely want to do this
00:12:44	soccerbap	nm
00:12:47	soccerbap	gonna replace em anyways
00:12:54	soccerbap	ah, have the space
00:13:05	soccerbap	cool
00:13:09	soccerbap	fixed a bunch of garbage
00:13:13	soccerbap	now lets see if its workable
00:13:24	jimbobuk	linuxstb: thanks, i may try and use that test program, it logs it doesn't it so when it dies the disk knows how long it managed to play
00:13:31	linuxstb	Yes.
00:13:48	petur	unless you need to recover data from it, converting lost chains is useless
00:14:22	bluebrother	hmm. But if the lost chains aren't marked as empty?
00:14:34	bluebrother	i.e. the clusters in the found chains?
00:15:48	petur	the fat is always repaired, it's just a matter of throwing the leftovers away or creating files for them
00:16:07	soccerbap	yeah
00:16:10	bluebrother	how is it always repaired?
00:16:12	soccerbap	looked up the question on microsoft
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00:16:19	soccerbap	its just junk you can put in a file or trash
00:16:28	soccerbap	oh - rebuilding database
00:16:30	petur	lost clusters are clusters not assigned to a file
00:16:31	bluebrother	is that done by windows on startup?
00:16:34	soccerbap	things seem to be running smoothly
00:16:57	bluebrother	sure, but if you e.g. loose the dir entry the clusters will still form a file and get marked as used
00:17:10	bluebrother	unless you detect that issue and free them
00:17:33	petur	afaik, if you don't tell it to convert to files, it just frees them
00:17:55	bluebrother	ah −− just had that idea.
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00:18:09	bluebrother	haven't thought of that before ;-)
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00:24:18	a1titude	does anyone know the current status of the 80GB ipod?
00:24:31	bluebrother	the forums know.
00:24:42	petur	the wiki knows too
00:25:28	a1titude	All I can find out there is that is been put on hiatus, due to demands on developers time I mean what has been done so far?
00:26:36	petur	check todays irc log, it knows abit about it too
00:26:52	petur	well, yesterdays log
00:27:00	petur	2 april
00:27:07	pixelma	may ?
00:27:09	petur	er may
00:27:36	petur	time flies like an arrow
00:27:50	petur	fruit flies like a banana
00:27:53	a1titude	haha thanks
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00:35:32	a1titude	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6549/edit so its just ne FAT drive needed to be written then now I take it.
00:35:47	a1titude	(What am I saying "just") haha
00:36:12	bluebrother	the wiki has the IpodEightyGB page with some information
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00:39:35	a1titude	thanks
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00:47:50	jimbobuk	ok the updated version of rockbox seems to have fixed my playlist problem
00:47:52	jimbobuk	brilliant
00:48:23	jimbobuk	however i added a pile of flac albums on there, and am just updating the database, it seems to have got stuck.. been at 1594 found for a long time now
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00:48:58	jimbobuk	can't feel the hdd doing anything, any thoughts? any way of tracking down if it got stuck on a particular files tags
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01:30:38	petur	hmmm... rockboxdev.sh ran exactly 20 minutes for 'all' :)
01:30:55	jimbobuk	ok i think the database is not updating a file its previously scanned that i've since changed the tags of..
01:31:08	jimbobuk	they're still coming up as untagged yet as they're playing u can see they are tagged
01:31:16	jimbobuk	can i just delete the database files in .rockbox
01:31:24	jimbobuk	and let it create them fresh next boot?
01:31:51	jimbobuk	or is there an option to force a full rebuild, or delete the db inside rockbox
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01:37:28	jimbobuk	ahh initialise now seemed to do the trick :)
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03:15:09	saratoga	could someone clarify if the MacOS HFS+ -> FAT32 ipod conversion guide wipes out the retail OS?
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03:26:48	GKC	Hey, does anyone know if I can use an iPod with rockbox installed with an apple A/V kit thing that plugs in to the bottom slot?
03:26:59	GKC	Universal dock, I mean
03:27:24	hcs	it depends on the device, I don't know about the specific one you mention
03:28:28	GKC	Do you know about any others that might be similar? This one is made by apple. The ipod plugs into the dock through the bottom slot, and from that dock you can have an A/V cord that plugs into output devices and stuff, and you can charge it.
03:28:57	hcs	here is the relevant wiki page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodAccessories
03:29:27	GKC	alright, thanks
03:29:51	hcs	the video I'm pretty sure doesn't work
03:30:05	hcs	but the audio out and power supply probably will
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03:31:50	GKC	Yeah, that'll be just fine, I don't usually have enough space for videos anyway
03:34:13	GKC	thanks for the help i'm out
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03:36:12	Yannni	so i just updated for the first time and like a year and now my wps i made no longer works... so what has changed?
03:36:24	linuxstb	saratoga: (If you read the logs) - No, the conversion from HFS to FAT32 leaves the Apple firmware intact - a working AppleOS is a prerequisite for ipodpatcher to be able to install a bootloader.
03:37:14	linuxstb	Yannni: The WPS parser is now much stricter, so check that your WPS is correct.
03:37:52	Yannni	like what could be wrong.. im not sure what to look for
03:38:44	linuxstb	Maybe conditionals not being closed properly. If you use the new "−−debugwps" option with the simulator, that can help
03:39:22	Yannni	hmm is there a link to some new insctuctions?
03:40:02	linuxstb	Not really, and I'm far from an expert in WPSs...
03:40:40	linuxstb	Maybe if you wait, someone who knows more than me will help you.
03:40:45	Yannni	darn they used to be so easy even i could do it lol
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03:41:12	linuxstb	The syntax is the same, it's just that Rockbox is less tolerant of mistakes
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03:41:41	linuxstb	I'm assuming by "not works" you mean it isn't loading?
03:41:50	Yannni	yeah
03:42:14	Yannni	i go to load it and it stays on the default one
03:43:16	linuxstb	Then the problem will be something wrong in your WPS. You could try removing some lines (especially the complicated ones) and see if you can get it to load.
03:43:33	Yannni	k
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03:43:57	linuxstb	It could jus tbe something trivial like a missing > sign.
03:44:26	Yannni	yeah it probably is
03:45:16	Yannni	i remember freezing rockbox a few times when i was trying to make it a long time ago
03:46:00	Yannni	oh yeah i accidently turned on the database... is there a way to delete what i did cause i dont plan on using it
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07:05:46	Edge_	Hello?
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07:06:45	Revelation	Sorry about that.
07:07:09	Revelation	I was just curious about the Status of Rockbox and the Sansa e200R
07:07:17	Revelation	Since I haven't seen anything in the forums
07:07:48	toffe82	sorry I don't know
07:08:04	scorche	doesnt work
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07:08:35	gursikh	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Port , but basically doesn't work yet
07:09:48	Revelation	I know already the E200 port works
07:09:56	Revelation	So will the E200R will never work?
07:10:12	Revelation	*So the E200R will never work because of it's encryption?
07:10:13	scorche	i didnt say never, but it is a possibility
07:10:48	Revelation	How is it a possibility?
07:11:01	scorche	how isnt it?
07:11:16	Revelation	Hold on
07:11:18	scorche	until something is done, there is always a possibility it will never get done
07:11:44	Revelation	"We have not yet managed to replace the bootloader, to make it load our custom mi4 file." - Is this particular line referring to the e200R models or just the e200 model?
07:11:58	scorche	R of course
07:12:14	Revelation	So it is possible to load it up
07:12:18	Revelation	I just won't work.
07:12:35	Revelation	*It
07:12:55	scorche	what do you mean by "load it up"
07:14:16	Revelation	Well, never mind about that previous line I stated
07:14:25	Revelation	It's not going to work at all on a E200R, right?
07:14:39	scorche	right
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07:17:49	Revelation	Has there been any progress made on the R series?
07:17:58	scorche	no
07:18:03	scorche	not recently
07:19:11	Revelation	Shoot.
07:19:46	amiconn	Well, it won't start working magically
07:20:15	amiconn	Someone with enough time and knowledge who has an E200R needs to make it work
07:20:24	amiconn	That just didn't happen so far
07:20:56	Revelation	I have a E200R, unfortunately...
07:21:01	Revelation	I don't know how to program.
07:21:19	scorche	good chance to learn
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07:41:11	JdGordon	hey all
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08:04:55	pearldiver	Gigabeat: Separate driver for audio codec
08:04:56	pearldiver	hmm
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08:26:15	*	JdGordon 's h300 runing time... 102h 55m !
08:30:32	amiconn	Never reset properly, eh?
08:30:51	amiconn	It should reset if the charger is plugged in while rockbox is running
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08:35:58	JdGordon	no, had it charging and runing for the last few days.. so its real
08:36:06	JdGordon	no crashes or anything which is nice
08:36:39	amiconn	As long as the charger is plugged, the runtime counter should stay at 0:00.... 'cause it's for counting battery runtime...
08:37:28	JdGordon	then there is a problem :p
08:37:32	*	amiconn already suspected that a bug slipped into the runtime logic :(
08:38:43	JdGordon	iirc that screen just converts the current_tick value to a time
08:39:09	amiconn	If it does, then it's very wrong
08:39:58	amiconn	It used to store both runtime and top runtime in the config block, and keep on counting from the stored value on boot
08:40:28	amiconn	Plugging the charger clamped it to zero as long as it stayed plugged
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08:46:10	amiconn	Hmm, the runtime reset is still there, but only in the viewer
08:46:19	amiconn	That cannot work properly...
08:48:44	amiconn	It used to be handled elsewhere, but I can't remember where... :(
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08:50:48	amiconn	Probably the settings code
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09:02:32	amiconn	hi LinusN :)
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09:15:12	scorche	B4gder: new hostmask?
09:15:34	B4gder	yeah, at a new customer's place now for a while forward
09:15:54	scorche	doing anything exciting?
09:16:44	B4gder	linux hacking on an RFID-reader, running ARM9 core (in an at91rm9200). drivers, apps, and stuff
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09:17:12	scorche	jees...an ARM9 in an RFID-reader?
09:17:27	scorche	seems a bit much
09:17:52	B4gder	nah, it is supposed to be able to run native apps and allow customers to design and build their own apps to run within the unit
09:17:59	scorche	ah
09:18:00	B4gder	with web server, db and all
09:18:12	scorche	nvm then =P
09:18:36	B4gder	:-)
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09:19:12	intgr	I bet they need 128MB RAM to run Java on it.
09:19:21	B4gder	no java, 32MB ram here
09:19:36	intgr	32MB, crazy!
09:19:42	scorche	intgr: please dont use those kind of words in here
09:19:45	B4gder	lots of spare room
09:20:17	intgr	scorche: Sorry, I didn't know profanities were disallowed here.
09:20:22	scorche	they are
09:20:30	scorche	the one used in this case was "Java"
09:20:40	B4gder	I prefer straight "coffee"
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09:42:15	jhMikeS	do we not have a stack for FIQ or something?
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09:43:58	jhMikeS	eh, what I said makes no sense...ignore please :)
09:44:03	B4gder	tomorrow night, euro time, the svn/build server is moving
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09:45:05	B4gder	Slasheri: here?
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09:45:26	B4gder	Slasheri:
09:45:26	B4gder	svn: Can't open file '.svn/lock': Disk quota exceeded
09:47:14	B4gder	maybe I should make the build master clean up more after builds to reduce the disk usage
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10:07:04	Slasheri	B4gder: on xen or ihme?
10:07:17	B4gder	xen
10:07:31	B4gder	I logged in as rbclient on your hosts and poked a bit on them
10:07:35	B4gder	I hope you didn't mind
10:07:46	Slasheri	ah, file quota was too low
10:07:51	B4gder	ihme didn't have the svn repo checked out
10:07:53	Slasheri	that's ok
10:08:04	Slasheri	for ihme the same password should work as well
10:08:16	B4gder	yes
10:08:23	Slasheri	now file quota has been increased
10:08:36	B4gder	I checked my local repo and it is now at some 1.8GB in ~rbclient
10:08:57	B4gder	goodie
10:09:47	Slasheri	and now something to eat, let's hope it will work again ->
10:20:47	johny	work rockbox on an ext2 partition??
10:20:59	markun	johny: no
10:20:59	B4gder	no
10:21:03	johny	ok
10:21:13	markun	fat-32 only
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10:53:56	petur	yuck... did a recursive add to playlist while playing music and got a solid freeze :(
10:54:22	B4gder	ugha
10:54:47	petur	and it's reproducable :(
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11:00:12	petur	mmm seems to work ok with svn... was using my first build made on linux :/
11:02:13	crwl	jep
11:03:41	*	petur blames linux :)
11:04:31	petur	I knew it... building the crosscompilers in 20 minutes, it must have taken a shortcut somewhere
11:04:40	B4gder	haha
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11:26:28	amiconn	B4gder: Re build cleanup - what about running 'make clean' afterwards? It'd be done before the next build anyway
11:26:46	amiconn	Will be a little bit more complicated with background transfer though
11:27:25	B4gder	yeah, was thinking perhaps a single "wipe" command at the end of the build round
11:27:46	B4gder	"rm -f masterlog* && rm -rf build-*"
11:32:37	amiconn	That would still take as much disk space as now during build (i.e. all builds + ccache)
11:32:39	B4gder	lunch
11:32:49	B4gder	no, now it saves _all_ builds
11:32:54	B4gder	59 build trees
11:32:57	amiconn	It'sno issue for me, my box has enough disk space...
11:33:07	B4gder	a "normal" build round is hardly more than 11 for the fastest ones
11:33:22	B4gder	bbl
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11:58:01	markun	nooo!!
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11:58:22	markun	jhMikeS: good day btw :)
11:58:41	jhMikeS	hello
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11:59:59	jhMikeS	markun: we don't need the fiq_handler branch routine since it's set explicitly in set_fiq_handler and that's only needed if it must be changed, for recording basically
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12:01:00	markun	do we use fast interrupts for anything on the Gigabeat?
12:01:09	jhMikeS	yes, for playback
12:01:43	linuxstb	Does it use DMA, or the same function as the PP chips?
12:01:49	jhMikeS	but set_fiq_handler just sets it to vector straight to fiq anyway
12:01:54	jhMikeS	it's DMA
12:02:06	linuxstb	OK, so the DMA interrupt is a FIQ?
12:02:07	jhMikeS	and the PP chips don't even use the branch routine
12:02:15	jhMikeS	it's tied to that
12:03:25	jhMikeS	another gcc bug got me looking because gcc botches stack handling in a fiq apparently and I made some local variables that compelled stack use
12:07:02	linuxstb	For the gigabeat or the Sansa?
12:07:31	jhMikeS	all...it's all the same
12:07:43	linuxstb	We don't want to use the stack on PP...
12:08:02	linuxstb	The FIQ handler was crafted to avoid stack use unless called the get_more function.
12:09:04	jhMikeS	well, it still vectors directy to the routine there, on gigabeat it should just use the stack really...it's up to the fiq implementation
12:09:42	jhMikeS	point is that fiq_handler is never used since set_fiq_handler changes it to use fiq directly
12:11:19	preglow	changed since i wrote that, then
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12:11:58	jhMikeS	I think it got added with pp recording
12:12:57	johny	gets rockboxX more bootloader sometime the GUI
12:19:50	jhMikeS	sweet, if I just use my own prologue/epilogue it works with stack vars :)
12:20:15	linuxstb	johny: Is that a question?
12:20:27	johny	YES
12:20:39	johny	but im not sure rhat its corecrly written
12:21:26	linuxstb	johny: It isn't...
12:21:46	johny	i want to know rockbox bootlaoder vecame a gui
12:21:51	johny	became
12:22:01	scorche	if it became or will it become?
12:22:18	linuxstb	johny: The Rockbox bootloader doesn't have a GUI and it is unlikely to ever have one.
12:22:46	scorche	if you want a GUI, use the IPL loader, however, keep in mind that it is unsupported by us
12:22:54	johny	ok
12:23:19	johny	can you hgelp me with the ipl?
12:23:29	johny	i cant laod rockbox from
12:23:41	scorche	read the second half of that statement
12:23:56	johny	it is unsupported by us
12:24:16	scorche	meaning we will not help you with it, as we did not write it
12:24:38	johny	ok
12:25:15	scorche	go to #ipodlinux for help with it...i see you went in there earlier
12:25:27	johny	get you money for programm rockbox?
12:25:41	markun	no, not really
12:25:55	johny	why not
12:26:02	scorche	who would pay us?
12:26:04	johny	rockbox have 3 sponsors!?
12:26:16	scorche	they help us with hosting, etc
12:26:17	desowin	are you one johny ?
12:26:37	johny	where
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12:26:56	desowin	one of sponosrs ;-)
12:27:06	johny	no^^
12:27:52	markun	johny: but we get some donation money from happy users which we use for rockbox related things like buying beer :)
12:28:08	johny	aah..
12:28:16	desowin	johny: according to iPL, you just need to add rockbox to loader.cfg, look at ipodlinux wiki
12:28:35	johny	i already done it but it not work
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12:28:48	johny	Rockbox@(hd0,1)/rockbox.ipod
12:28:53	desowin	Rockbox @ (hd0,1)/.rockbox/rockbox.ipod
12:29:17	desowin	few weeks ago location of rockbox.ipod changed
12:29:33	johny	ii have bothe try
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12:30:54	johny	but i have ipl 2.4
12:31:00	johny	an the new is 2.5
12:31:18	johny	and i ont understand how can i install or update ipl
12:31:31	scorche	desowin: if you are going to support it, can you do it in #ipodlinux or PMs please?
12:31:44	desowin	ok
12:32:28	johny	why so strictly
12:32:51	desowin	it's rockbox channel, not ipodlinux
12:33:00	scorche	johny: read the first link in the topic and it will explain it
12:33:09	desowin	johny: check pm
12:33:31	johny	desowin Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )
12:34:00	scorche	then join #ipodlinux or some other channel
12:34:03	*	scorche shrugs
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12:38:26	markun	linuxstb: maybe you should reply? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10240.0
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12:43:51	linuxstb	markun: I haven't got there yet... I've been too busy to go and buy a screwdriver.
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12:47:10	GodEater	anyone got time to take a quick look at some pseudo-code I knocked up for handling reads on the 80GB iPod ? −−> http://pastebin.ca/468773
12:49:41	GodEater	clearly I left out the meat and bones to it - that's just the logic for determining where to start the read from, where to finish, and how to return that to the calling code (presumably the fat driver)
12:51:24	GodEater	there's also probably a more efficient way of doing the checks on odd/even, perhaps with something like : if(start & 1 == 1) ?
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13:01:38	lachlan	GodEater: Maybe LinusN would be interested in the code, I remember he was one of the devs concerned with the 80GB port
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13:03:09	GodEater	yeah I was discussing the approach with him and amiconn yesterday
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13:03:50	spiorf	just to know, what's different in the 80gb ipod so that the 60 gb version don't work?
13:04:07	GodEater	spiorf: it's the other way round - the 80GB doesn't work - the 60GB does
13:04:34	GodEater	spiorf: also - here's the wiki page I wrote describing the issue : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodEightyGB
13:05:51	spiorf	GodEater, i know that, it's a language issue
13:06:08	spiorf	i meant the other way round :)
13:06:11	GodEater	spiorf: yes sorry - I re-read what you wrote and understood what you meant now ;)
13:06:54	GodEater	although I should probably update that page again now - I've decided to leave the FAT driver alone, and try the fix just in the ATA code
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13:07:21	GodEater	it was the approach amiconn favoured too
13:10:31	spiorf	it was really necessary for apple's people to change to 1024 bytes units? ot it was just an "hey, let's change the unit size!" without reason?
13:10:49	GodEater	to be fair, it wasn't them that changed - it was Toshiba
13:11:14	GodEater	and it's a change that's been brewing for a while - large sectors are more efficient use of large disks
13:11:25	GodEater	I suspect we'll see it in more and more drives soon
13:17:12	JdGordon	I wonder if reading a much larger block than even the 1024bytes would be usefull for all targets anyway... assuming most reads have some sort of block contiuity...
13:18:14	LinusN	GodEater: looks insanely inefficient, to read the whole thing into a temporary buffer first and then memcpy() to the real buffer
13:19:23	GodEater	LinusN: right - I'll rethink it then
13:19:57	LinusN	better handle the first and/or last sector separately
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13:22:31	amiconn	JdGordon: It would not be useful unless more than one of those much larger blocks are cached, and the system is then used for those parts which are currently read one by one (FAT, directory)
13:22:49	amiconn	And it would only make sense on targets with lots of RAM to spare
13:24:43	LinusN	i'd say that all targets with 16megs or more has ram to spare
13:24:49	B4gder	amen
13:25:41	*	amiconn would think that it would only make sense on 32MB targets, or even more
13:27:15	LinusN	you could have a FAT cache of 250K and have a hard time to measure a battery time difference, especially since the FAT code would be faster
13:30:31	B4gder	wouldn't it be an ATA cache?
13:30:52	LinusN	no
13:31:31	B4gder	but what about when MrX wants to implement a different fs?
13:32:08	LinusN	then i'm sure that filesystem has other interseting things to cache
13:32:22	GodEater	I thought we'd never accept another FS anyway ?
13:32:51	B4gder	I don't see why we couldn't, if done nicely
13:33:04	amiconn	I don't see why we should
13:33:10	JdGordon	hfs+ would be nice...
13:33:22	JdGordon	but yeah, there is no real need for another fs
13:33:25	B4gder	I'm not saying there is a very good motive atm
13:33:36	B4gder	I'm mostly talking about a possible future
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13:34:28	LinusN	B4gder: i say we deal with that then
13:34:33	B4gder	yeah
13:34:47	B4gder	and now I say commit something darn it
13:34:57	*	B4gder wants to see 16 build servers in use
13:35:07	LinusN	i can make the build table red if you want :-)
13:35:29	B4gder	you updated your debian box? :-)
13:35:44	LinusN	i have to update it?
13:35:46	JdGordon	but anyway.. wouldnt the cache in ATA work better anyway? just read 16kb from the requested block and then store a fair few of them LRU?
13:35:58	B4gder	LinusN: yes, if you want your sdl builds to go red on it
13:36:07	LinusN	aha :-)
13:36:11	B4gder	the native ld in debian unstable goes boom
13:36:18	LinusN	lovely
13:36:31	B4gder	indeed, that's loveliness defined
13:37:04	B4gder	btw, I vote for removing the #warning in thread.c
13:37:28	JdGordon	keep it.. it will hurry jhMikeS with his fix
13:37:48	B4gder	he's looking into it?
13:38:24	JdGordon	iirc he's got something closer to working... the 5002 is still causing problems but not as much.. or something?
13:38:43	B4gder	ok, then I'll let it rest for a while
13:38:48	preglow	ditch the flaming 5002!
13:39:05	B4gder	yeah
13:39:11	B4gder	it's not like we'
13:39:18	B4gder	re anywhere near good functionality on that
13:40:18	amiconn	5020, not 5002
13:40:32	JdGordon	or... why not drop that one back to single core?
13:40:42	amiconn	And the 5020 is used on quite a number of targets
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13:47:36	*	amiconn thinks that making rockbox work properly on PP5002 would be more fun than making it work on those overpowered targets like the gigabeat
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13:49:29	*	GodEater thinks amiconn has a warped idea of "fun"
13:49:43	preglow	it'd be more challenging, not necessarily more fun
13:50:04	amiconn	No challenge == no fun
13:50:23	preglow	i'd rather _use_ an overpowered target than something old and crummy with less possibilities
13:50:59	preglow	optimising codecs is challenging, but not necessarily fun...
13:50:59	*	amiconn rather uses something user friendly
13:51:09	amiconn	That excludes the ipods though
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13:51:43	amiconn	...and most, if not all, color targets, for me anyway
13:52:09	LinusN	no pain, no gain :-)
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13:53:11	preglow	nah, if my choice of rockbox dev target was between an older more restricted target, and a newer more capable one, i'd go for the latter in a heartbeat
13:53:25	GodEater	LinusN: would moving the handling of the first / last sector stuff into copy_read_sectors() make more sense then in your opinion (I'm struggling to see how to do it otherwise)
13:53:51	preglow	sure, it's fun to squeeze performance out of something restricted, but it's also fun to develop new stuff without having to bloody optimise it for weeks just to have it working
13:54:18	preglow	in an ideal world, everything would be optimised to the last cycle, but this surely isn't one of those worlds
13:54:33	B4gder	world 2.0 is gonna be great!
13:54:37	preglow	surely is
13:54:43	*	preglow looks forward to all the free beer
13:54:46	GodEater	B4gder: that's just marketing hype :)
13:55:06	bluebrother	how about world 3.0 then?
13:55:12	GodEater	vaporware
13:55:16	bluebrother	:)
13:55:22	GodEater	;)
13:55:23	preglow	you're saying we'll be living in the clouds?
13:55:23	B4gder	3.0 can never happen, we know that
13:55:32	JdGordon	world 3.11 for workgroups ftw!
13:55:36	GodEater	preglow: that would be awesome
13:55:53	GodEater	JdGordon: yeah, world 3.0 is likely to be very buggy
13:55:54	bluebrother	world NT 3.51 g
13:56:04	GodEater	SP5
13:56:10	bluebrother	we surely need world 2007
13:56:21	JdGordon	na, they change te interface too much...
13:56:21	B4gder	"built on neanderthal technology" certainly fits
13:56:29	GodEater	ok - that's now exceeded my geek humour quotient for the day
13:56:44	bluebrother	hehe ... I liked that startup screen by the time of NT4
13:56:58	bluebrother	btw, any plans on Rockbox 2007?
13:57:16	B4gder	tshirts!
13:57:22	bluebrother	gimme one!
13:57:44	B4gder	they haven't arrived yet
13:58:03	*	bluebrother jumps around in the hope to catch one
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14:01:07	LinusN	GodEater: perhaps, but it might be necessary to handle it in ata_read_sectors() too, so you won't call copy_read_sectors() with an odd start sector repeatedly
14:03:01	JdGordon	anyone know how to use wc to get the line count total for a directory?
14:03:12	amiconn	In ata_mmc.c the partial block stuff is handled in ata_read_sectors() / ata_write_sectors()
14:03:18	GodEater	linecount for all files you mean JdGordon ?
14:03:23	JdGordon	yep
14:03:52	GodEater	I'd do it with a find -exec wc -l {} I think
14:04:13	GodEater	actually no that's stupid
14:04:30	GodEater	cat * \| wc -l ?
14:04:43	JdGordon	subdirs... :(
14:05:08	GodEater	ah
14:05:10	GodEater	erm
14:05:51	bluebrother	sum up the result with gawk
14:05:52	Thundercloud	wc -l `find . -name "*" \| xargs`
14:06:07	B4gder	sloccount
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14:06:30	bluebrother	but sloccount counts the value of the sources too ;-)
14:07:03	Thundercloud	Seriously
14:07:05	Thundercloud	My method works
14:07:09	B4gder	Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 435,474
14:07:28	bluebrother	hmm. Did't sloccount also count hidden folders?
14:07:30	*	JdGordon apt-getting sloccount
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14:07:35	B4gder	Development Effort Estimate, Person-Years (Person-Months) = 118.02 (1,416.19)
14:07:54	B4gder	Total Estimated Cost to Develop = $ 15,942,336
14:08:01	bluebrother	Rockbox sources?
14:08:03	B4gder	:-)
14:08:05	B4gder	yes
14:08:27	bluebrother	too bad sloccount ca't do this for latex sources ;-)
14:08:28	B4gder	well, I ran it in the root so it it includes rbutil, sim, tools etc
14:08:32	GodEater	we're at half a million lines of code ?!?!
14:09:38	bluebrother	wow. My personal pastebin gets spammed like hell :(
14:09:46	GodEater	Thundercloud's method doesn't work - it runs out of argument space
14:10:27	bluebrother	one could cat everything and pipe it to wc
14:10:41	Thundercloud	Well it works for smaller projects.
14:10:46	Thundercloud	Or perhaps if you change * to *.c or whatever.
14:11:07	JdGordon	Thundercloud: cheers.. your worked well
14:11:20	B4gder	or -type f
14:11:22	Thundercloud	Woot :P
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14:47:56	B4gder	darn, only 14 servers
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14:50:56	B4gder	the player size delta is indeed puzzling
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14:56:14	jhMikeS	So is the H10 one since that's PP
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15:07:57	jhMikeS	Rockbox is worth $36.61/line? :o
15:08:16	B4gder	we better start collecting!
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15:08:38	jhMikeS	some lines demand a premium
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15:10:06	preglow	bloody fixed point...
15:10:23	jhMikeS	hehe...fun stuff indeed
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15:13:57	markun	preglow: I saw that Blackfin has a few fixed point data types
15:14:47	amiconn	B4gder: Do we have the .map files available these days?
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15:16:54	B4gder	nope
15:18:20	amiconn	:(
15:18:45	daurnimator	JdGordon: you here?
15:18:53	JdGordon	depends
15:18:54	daurnimator	B4gder: whens your devcon?
15:19:08	B4gder	19-20 may
15:20:13	B4gder	it's frigging 12 people on the devcon west possibly-coming list
15:20:33	JdGordon	B4gder: any chance of a skype conference call on the day?
15:20:48	preglow	markun: blackfin is all about fixed point
15:20:54	B4gder	skype? now that sounds like a kind of insect...
15:21:15	JdGordon	they have skype in sweden dont they?
15:21:28	B4gder	do they offer free conference calls?
15:21:37	B4gder	isn't that limited somehow
15:21:58	daurnimator	why skype? :S
15:21:58	B4gder	but it would be cool
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15:22:12	JdGordon	im pretty sure they do
15:22:19	*	JdGordon wants to be there in sprit :p
15:22:42	JdGordon	updated class diagram.dia
15:22:50	JdGordon	bah.. stupid clipboard
15:22:53	JdGordon	http://www.skype.com/help/guides/conference.html
15:22:55	preglow	you can be there with spirits
15:22:57	preglow	that will also be fun
15:23:07	B4gder	:-)
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15:56:07	Siltaar	I have a small linking problem : failed to load /.rockbox/rocks//sudoku.rock
15:56:07	Siltaar	dlopen(archos/.rockbox/rocks//sudoku.rock): archos/.rockbox/rocks//sudoku.rock: undefined symbol: talk_number
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15:56:25	Siltaar	it appears at run time
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15:57:07	Siltaar	I have locally modified a little bit the source code of sudoku.c
15:57:34	Siltaar	to add a call on talk_number
15:57:56	Siltaar	it compiles, but the plugin refuse to be loaded then...
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16:02:18	nls	did it load ok, before you modified it?
16:04:14	amiconn	You can't just use a core function like this
16:05:40	amiconn	Of course it will compile and link for the sim because sim plugins are shared libraries
16:05:56	amiconn	But then you can't run it as the symbol can't be resolved
16:07:09	Siltaar	ok
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16:07:21	Siltaar	so I should redefine the function I need ?
16:07:45	amiconn	If you need a core function in a plugin, you have to export it via the plugin api and then call it from the plugin using the api
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16:13:33	Siltaar	amiconn, is it explained somewhere on www.rockbox.org website ?
16:13:46	Siltaar	where should I find examples ?
16:14:14	Siltaar	(if it's not already documented in the wiki, I could write something...)
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16:52:09	Siltaar	ok, adding the function in the Plugin API struct, it works
16:52:32	Siltaar	I will drop a note about that on : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins
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16:58:23	stefan	anyone here that knows anything about if creative zen vision M is about to be cracked?
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16:59:49	markun	stefan: I don't know, but there is a forum thread about it
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17:00:20	markun	also, it's pretty hard to predict how far you are from cracking something
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17:03:17	idnar	unless you can see into the future ;)
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17:54:02	markun	anyone insterested in helping out with the sample strings for loadable keymaps? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LoadableKeyboardLayouts
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17:59:04	linuxstb	markun: Do you mean sample .kbd files?
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18:01:45	markun	linuxstb: I was more thinking of providing sample strings so people can quickly create their own personal kbd file
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18:01:59	markun	but maybe some good sample files will be nice too
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18:02:56	markun	Hm.. I have to look in combining for thai script
18:08:25	markun	and typing hebrew and arabic will also not work so well I guess
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18:19:45	bluebrother	hmm. ATA error -1 was bad connection?
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18:36:40	myrkx	how come when I add music to iTunes, it says it syncs it to the iPod, but the new music doesn't show up in the database?
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18:42:17	bluebrother	do you have auto-update of the database enabled?
18:44:50	myrkx	bluebrother: yes
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18:47:28	bluebrother	hmm. But I'm right assuming the files itself play fine with rockbox?
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18:48:47	myrkx	it only shows the original 3 songs that were there when I installed rockbox, none of the new ones show up at all
18:49:54	bluebrother	so, when using the file browser, can you play the files?
18:50:23	myrkx	nope
18:50:43	bluebrother	have you purchased those files in the itunes music store?
18:51:17	myrkx	no, they are mp3's I burned from my CD's
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18:51:50	bluebrother	how have you tried playing the files?
18:52:25	myrkx	the original 3 songs won't play now either, even though they show up in the database list
18:52:46	bluebrother	did you use the "files" entry in the main menu?
18:53:04	bluebrother	and how does not playing result? Do you get an error message?
18:53:15	myrkx	no id3
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18:54:07	myrkx	I can't find any songs via the file route
18:54:19	bluebrother	look in /iPodControl/Music
18:54:38	bluebrother	there should be a couple of randomly named folders with randomly named files in it.
18:55:10	Pimpdaddypayne	It would be so much easier if the iPod named folders and files according to what they are actually named
18:55:13	myrkx	under files, it comes up blank now, no subdirectories at all
18:56:09	bluebrother	the folder is most likely hidden, set file types to all.
18:56:21	bluebrother	(from the quick menu or through the settings)
18:56:25	myrkx	sec
18:57:01	myrkx	where in the settings?
18:57:21	myrkx	nevermind, I found it
18:57:45	bluebrother	settings / General settings / File view
18:59:58	myrkx	no way to get the track names to show up?
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19:02:08	bluebrother	no, itunes will rename the files to something arbitrarily mixed
19:02:21	myrkx	how about if I remove the ./rockbox folder, reset, let the original OS synch, then put the ./rockbox folder back?
19:02:23	bluebrother	so, can you find files in that folder and play them back?
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19:02:44	bluebrother	shouldn't make any difference −− it's just a folder on disk
19:03:06	bluebrother	and I never heard of someone that additional data caused problems while syncing
19:03:06	myrkx	yes, under files (with funky tags), but under database just the 3 show
19:03:20	bluebrother	ok, so you can play those funky named files?
19:03:26	myrkx	yes
19:03:46	bluebrother	then it's definitely a database issue.
19:04:06	bluebrother	remove all database*.tcd files in the /.rockbox folder and reinitialize the database
19:04:24	myrkx	ok, give me a second
19:04:45	Pimpdaddypayne	myrkx, you know what i like to do? i used ipod too..
19:05:15	Pimpdaddypayne	myrkx, when i am in disk mode, i created a folder called "Music" and transferred all my mp3s to it, and just play them from the Files menu...that way I know what I am playing
19:06:44	myrkx	I'm trying to set this up for a blind 11 year old, need to keep it simple as possible
19:07:01	bluebrother	in that case you'll be better with not using the database
19:07:06	myrkx	bluebrother: how do you reinitialise database?
19:07:25	bluebrother	as Rockbox can voice filenames, but not spell out the database items (yet)
19:07:40	bluebrother	there is an entry in the settings ... General settings / Database iirc
19:08:00	Pimpdaddypayne	bluebrother, how do you get it to voice filenames? i havent learned that yet
19:08:15	bluebrother	you need to pre-generate voice clips.
19:08:25	bluebrother	Haven't done that myself yet, check the wiki
19:08:43	Pimpdaddypayne	Oh, I thought it was text-to-speec
19:08:44	Pimpdaddypayne	h
19:08:54	bluebrother	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceHowto
19:09:17	bluebrother	no, we don't have a TTS yet. Because of that you can't read the database entries
19:09:20	amiconn	You can either have rockbox speel the filenames, or just voice the file number and -type. This can be done without individual clips
19:09:34	amiconn	If you want the name spoken for real, you need clips
19:10:00	bluebrother	can the database spell the items too?
19:10:06	bluebrother	I thought it can't
19:10:12	amiconn	I don't know, I normally don't use it
19:10:28	amiconn	Spelling should be possible if it's not there yet
19:11:03	amiconn	Even clips should be possible (for the tracks, not for the folders) as the database knows the path
19:11:39	bluebrother	hmm. But that wouldn't be nice with the file names itunes generates ;-)
19:11:55	amiconn	True
19:12:09	amiconn	But spelling would use the tag contents, not the file names
19:12:29	bluebrother	hmm. No voice file on my ipod :(
19:13:40	*	bluebrother goes building a voice file
19:14:06	pixelma	yes it spells them - it even spells the track length with them that got currently added to the entries
19:14:41	Pimpdaddypayne	hmm
19:14:48	pixelma	don't know about the prepared clips though
19:14:50	Pimpdaddypayne	rockbox seems to use a lot of battery power compared to the ipod os
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19:18:13	artmess	Hi everyone. I'm using rockbox and loving it. I have flac files in a directory and some mp3 that I use the ipod firmware for. When I tell rockbox to build the database it only seems to do it with those mp3 files in the ipod's directory, anyone know how I can have it database the directory of flac files I have?
19:18:20	Pimpdaddypayne	markun, here?
19:18:42	Nico_P	Domonoky: congrats on your commit :)
19:18:47	Domonoky	:-)
19:19:15	Domonoky	i am now preparing a win binary for the wiki,.. :-)
19:20:04	Nico_P	would you like a linux bin ?
19:20:39	Domonoky	jeah, if the bin also works on other linux :-)
19:20:46	Nico_P	not sure about that
19:21:02	Domonoky	and it would be nice, if linuxstb could make a new MacOsX binary..
19:21:13	Domonoky	or somebody els with a mac..
19:21:27	Nico_P	are there people willing to test a linux rbutil binary ?
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19:25:01	krazykit	eh? what's the rbutil do again?
19:25:09	krazykit	i could test the binary
19:25:35	Nico_P	krazykit: it's an utility to install rockbox on players
19:25:35	Domonoky	rbutil install rockbox and extras..
19:25:45	krazykit	ah
19:26:01	amiconn	Domonoky: The binary should work on other linuxes(?) of the same architecture if it doesn't need shared libraries (or only ones with are available everywhere)
19:26:42	amiconn	Btw, binaries (especially for windows) should be put on download.rockbox.org rather than in the wiki
19:27:13	Domonoky	i think the can be move to download.rockbox.org when rbutils mature..
19:27:53	amiconn	Even if it's not (yet)... this is mainly a virus protection measure
19:28:35	Domonoky	oki, but first, we need the binarys, then they can be moved :-)
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19:30:10	Nico_P	here's my linux bin: http://nicolas.pennequin.free.fr/rockbox/rbutil
19:31:32	Domonoky	Nico_P: you have to bundle the ini file, so make a tar.gz or so..
19:31:39	Nico_P	ok
19:32:31	Nico_P	Domonoky: only the bin and the .ini ?
19:33:42	Domonoky	yes
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19:35:17	bluebrother	Nico_P: on what distro did you build it?
19:35:35	Nico_P	bluebrother: kubuntu feisty
19:35:59	bluebrother	ok. Doesn't run on FC5 at least
19:36:07	Nico_P	http://nicolas.pennequin.free.fr/rockbox/rbutil.tar.gz
19:36:14	Nico_P	bluebrother: why ?
19:36:24	bluebrother	./rbutil: error while loading shared libraries: libwx_gtk2_aui-2.8.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
19:36:33	krazykit	bluebrother, you need wxgtk installed
19:36:41	bluebrother	but I was surprised by the size anyway ...
19:37:12	bluebrother	krazykit: I know it needs wxwidgets −− but wasn't the idea linking it statically so it runs on systems without wx installed too?
19:37:30	krazykit	guess it wasn't built statically :-P
19:37:44	krazykit	though it looks like i don't have aui installed either
19:38:18	Nico_P	bluebrother: how do I do that ?
19:38:18	Domonoky	i dont think statically linking to wxwidgets works (there was something on their webpage)
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19:38:29	Nico_P	Domonoky: the groupboxes in the tabs have different widths... it gives a strange impression when changing tabs: the buttons move
19:38:55	bluebrother	didn't linuxstb create a static binary once?
19:38:58	krazykit	also, debian lenny has wxgtk 2.6 anyway
19:39:21	krazykit	so i couldn't run it as is
19:39:38	Domonoky	Nico_P: you are right, they just use the minimum width, but at the moment functionality bevor nice GUI things :-)
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19:41:57	*	petur wonders if any linux (ubuntu) guru could PM him re screwed up video driver install
19:42:48	krazykit	petur, i bet #ubuntu could help
19:42:56	*	bluebrother doesn't use ubuntu
19:43:07	*	krazykit refuses to use ubuntu
19:43:25	bluebrother	hehe
19:43:40	Nico_P	petur: what kind of video card do you have ?
19:43:55	petur	nvidia
19:43:57	Nico_P	krazykit: why ?
19:44:02	krazykit	several reasons
19:44:08	krazykit	their bug tracker is closed source, for one
19:44:13	Nico_P	petur: I use the bin drivers
19:44:20	Nico_P	works fine
19:44:26	petur	errr... I wanted PM so as not to drop the channel into offtopc linux talk
19:44:31	krazykit	i think they're still patching firefox with their own patches, but are still calling it firefox, violating the liscense
19:44:36	bluebrother	petur: too late ;-)
19:44:38	Nico_P	petur: ok, PM :)
19:44:47	*	bluebrother remembers the dash thing
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19:45:19	*	bluebrother remembers he has to fix the manual makefile because of that
19:46:06	krazykit	but i can't go into those reasons more because i have a final in 15 minutes
19:46:45	Domonoky	so rbutil is now updated in the wiki (only win), next step: sansapatcher integration :-)
19:46:46	krazykit	i'll try to make a static build in a couple hours though
19:47:30	Domonoky	if someone likes to helpout with rbutil, please step in :-)
19:48:00	*	bluebrother doesn't like wx ...
19:48:26	Domonoky	bluebrother: feel free to rebuild it in qt.. :-)
19:48:49	bluebrother	hehe ... I'm only missing the time for doing so ;-)
19:49:14	linuxstb	Domonoky: I can build a Mac OS X binary now, but I agree with amiconn that binaries shouldn't be in the wiki
19:49:24	Domonoky	jeah it would be a big task, thats why i stay in wx.. :-)
19:50:09	bluebrother	why is the program icon an archos device? Wouldn't it be better to have the Rockbox logo there?
19:50:35	Domonoky	leftover from earlyer times..
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19:50:51	bluebrother	hmm. How can I set a proxy?
19:51:07	Domonoky	not possible at moment..
19:51:34	Domonoky	i once tried to make a proxy setting but it didnt work..
19:51:51	bluebrother	then I can't test at all ... I need to use a proxy from my connection
19:52:04	Domonoky	i just dont know enough about wx.. :-/
19:56:35	Domonoky	bluebrother: can you compile rbutil ?
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20:00:57	linuxstb	If any Mac users want to try it, rbutil 0.3.1 is here - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/rbutil-0.3.1.dmg
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20:25:23	amiconn	Slasheri: ihme runs an outdated arm-elf-gcc
20:25:46	amiconn	(that caused the RED - jhMikeS' commit isn't the cause)
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20:30:06	amiconn	Sorry Nico_P's commit... but that's not the point anyway
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21:12:42	Domonoky	what is the screensize of the sansa ?
21:13:48	*	Domonoky tries to summon linuxstb :-)
21:13:59	*	amiconn points Domonoky to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart
21:14:27	Domonoky	thx
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21:17:58	bluebrother	Domonoky, just tried rbutil on linux ... it doesn't advice the user that you need to run it as root for bootloader installation
21:18:36	Domonoky	only for ipods.. but it should mention something..
21:18:58	bluebrother	yeah, that is why I mentioned it ;-)
21:19:01	Domonoky	i mean i should put some more text into it :-)
21:19:09	bluebrother	when running as root it detected my ipod just fine
21:19:17	linuxstb	bluebrother: Not everyone will need to run it as root - it depends on permissions/groups etc.
21:19:32	Domonoky	jeah its ipodpatcher which needs this..
21:19:47	bluebrother	hmm −− doesn't ipodpatcher need direct access to the disk?
21:19:57	linuxstb	Yes.
21:20:14	Domonoky	linuxstb: any objections against this patch http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7102 (for sansapatcher)
21:20:36	linuxstb	In my Debian at least, removable drives are in the "floppy" group, and I've added myself to that group.
21:22:51	bluebrother	fc5 uses this strange gnome-mount thing, and the device files get added to the group "disk"
21:23:26	linuxstb	Domonoky: That patch seems mostly white-space changes...
21:23:58	Domonoky	ignore the whitespaces :-) bad editor..
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21:25:10	linuxstb	Domonoky: Also, it looks like the int2be function can just be deleted - it's not used.
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21:54:07	Shooz	hey my wps screen doesn't seem to be loading on the sansa, the rest of the themes work fine, but the WPS doesnt load, im using a pretty recent rockbox build? any suggestions?
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21:57:42	spiorf	Shooz, sure that your wps isn't broken?
21:58:31	Shooz	broken as in?
21:58:53	Shooz	ah, working again, just updated rockbox
21:59:00	Shooz	guess my build was just about a day to old
21:59:13	Shooz	sorry to bother you
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22:00:42	*	Domonoky will now commit sansa support in rbutil, i hope i dont break the sansapatcher.. :-)
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22:17:29	webguest21	Domonoky... thanks for the Sansa fixes for rbutil
22:17:40	webguest21	Will you update the downloadable version to bring it up to date?
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22:17:59	Domonoky	i am just uploading the win binary to the wiki
22:18:08	webguest21	Outstanding. Thanks very much
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22:20:10	*	petur is against executables in the wiki
22:20:35	Domonoky	yeah they should be move to download.rockbox.org
22:21:21	Domonoky	but then its not so easy to update..
22:22:25	syntaxman	hmm.. my nano froze when I started the star plugin.. Aside from prying it open and removing the battery, how can I reset this?
22:22:40	Bagder	what files should I put on the dl site for rbutil?
22:22:56	Domonoky	syntaxman: hold menu+select for ~10 sec
22:23:22	Domonoky	Bagder the rbutil-v0.3.2.zip for windows..
22:23:56	Domonoky	and the Mac .dmg file, when linuxstb updates it (at the moment its outdated)
22:24:07	syntaxman	Oh.. for that long? Yup... it worked. Thank you Domonoky!
22:25:53	Bagder	ok, rbutil for win is uploaded there
22:25:57	Bagder	http://download.rockbox.org/rbutil/win32/
22:26:42	Domonoky	thx, i will change the wikipage
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22:37:19	webguest76	Domonoky... tried rbutil with my Sansa. FWIW, font updating seems to work well.
22:37:35	webguest76	I note that autodetect does not, however. Is that as you'd expect?
22:38:20	Domonoky	font installing is the same on any player.. interesting is autodetect and the bootloader install..
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22:38:39	Domonoky	autodetect does not work ? hm..
22:39:12	webguest76	I had the Sansa connected and then started rbutil. It doesn't see it.
22:39:26	webguest76	Let me try disconnecting, starting the program, and then connecting.
22:39:30	Domonoky	ah, you have to use the autodetect button :-)
22:40:02	webguest76	Well, I did... had the Sansa connected, started rbutil, and clicked Autodetect... got an error message, no device detected.
22:40:17	Domonoky	hm, bad.. will check the code..
22:40:33	webguest76	OK... just a data point.
22:41:33	Domonoky	hm.. have you installed the bootloader with sansapatcher ?
22:41:52	bluebrother	question is, can sansapatcher detect the player itself?
22:41:52	Domonoky	(perhaps it is a fault of sansapatcher.. :-) )
22:42:20	webguest76	Yes, I have Rockbox up and running on my Sansa. I hadn't tried the bootloader install with the utility.
22:42:41	webguest76	I just did, though, and it doesn't work.
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22:43:17	Domonoky	webguest76: which method for installing the bootloader have you used befor ?
22:43:31	webguest76	Sansapatcher.
22:43:57	webguest76	Before that, I used the old method with that other program, forget the name. Both worked.
22:44:12	Domonoky	hm.. bad..
22:44:33	webguest76	I'm going to try starting rbutil and then connecting the Sansa next.
22:44:37	Domonoky	so sansapatcher can detect your sansa..
22:44:50	webguest76	Yes indeed.
22:44:50	Domonoky	webguest76: that wont change it..
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22:45:16	webguest76	You'd know that better than I but I'll try anyway for grins.
22:45:44	Domonoky	:-)
22:46:20	Domonoky	webguest76, is your sansa connected in UMS mode ?
22:46:53	webguest76	No device again.
22:47:21	webguest76	Wait a sec, I get confused about these modes...
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22:48:15	Domonoky	rbutil should do the same as sansapatcher.. so i am a bit confused, why it doesnt find it (i dont have a sansa to test it)
22:48:19	webguest76	Rebooting it, but I have an SD card and the database refresh takes a bit.
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22:48:57	webguest76	USB mode is what the Sansa calls MSC.
22:49:14	Domonoky	i think so, UMS = MSC
22:49:28	webguest76	Should I try MTP?
22:49:46	Domonoky	no, in MTP it will not work..
22:50:00	webguest92	hi i got a question i'm trying to change the themes on rockbox but when they change the backdrops dont show up just the icons.do you know why?
22:50:51	webguest92	please help me out i tried to change them a million times????
22:51:24	Domonoky	webguest92: is the backdrop in the right place ?
22:51:25	webguest76	Short of your pending code changes, is there anything else you'd like me to try?
22:51:39	webguest92	yeah
22:51:49	webguest92	they are all in the same place
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22:52:12	Domonoky	webguest76: nothing more sansa specific, but testing is always welcome
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22:52:37	webguest76	OK... I'll watch for updates. thanks for the work you've done to date.
22:53:14	Domonoky	webguest92: check the theme.cfg if the filename for the backdrop is right.. where do you got this theme
22:53:26	Domonoky	webguest92: also, have you tried other themes ?
22:54:00	webguest92	yeah i tried all of them
22:54:11	Domonoky	and all have the same problem ?
22:54:16	webguest92	the onlyone that works is the yankees theme
22:54:30	TrueJournals	webguest92: Which DAP do you have?
22:54:40	webguest92	what do you mean?
22:54:57	Domonoky	webguest92: what device you have..
22:54:59	TrueJournals	Which Digital Audio Player do you have?
22:55:09	webguest92	pod
22:55:11	Domonoky	and is it a official build ? or custom ?
22:55:11	webguest92	ipod
22:55:16	webguest92	5g
22:55:59	webguest92	i got it from the rockbox site? so i dont know...
22:56:25	webguest92	i think its a build
22:56:32	Domonoky	then it should be official, how old is the build ?
22:56:33	webguest92	i think...
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22:57:18	TrueJournals	Try updating the build
22:57:37	webguest92	i'm not really sure how can i figure that out. i just downloaded theme like a week ago. i went to google / search and i typed rockbox themes.
22:57:46	webguest92	how can i update it?
22:58:01	Domonoky	no i mean the time of your rockbox version..
22:58:02	TrueJournals	iPod 5G = iPod video, correct?
22:58:09	webguest92	oh
22:58:14	webguest92	yeah
22:58:17	webguest92	corct'
22:58:20	webguest92	correct
22:58:29	webguest92	i suck at typing! XD
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22:58:44	TrueJournals	OK, download the latest rockbox from http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipodvideo/rockbox.zip and extract the zip to the root of your iPod
22:58:53	webguest92	ok thanks
22:59:08	TrueJournals	That SHOULD fix the problem... might not though...
22:59:10	Domonoky	or use rbutil :-)
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22:59:24	webguest76	Domonoky... one last thing on rbutil. Autodetect or not, the installer does work for me.
22:59:47	Domonoky	the bootloader installer works but autodetect not ?
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23:00:00	TrueJournals	Domonoky: Is your goal to eventually get autodetect working for all targets?
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23:00:16	webguest76	No, bootloader installer doesn't work, but install of the current build of Rockbox itself does.
23:00:24	Domonoky	TrueJournals: it would be nice, but at the moment i dont know how to :-)
23:01:04	Domonoky	webguest76: ah, thats expected, so everthing is working except sansapatcher..
23:01:25	webguest76	Seems that way. Just thought you'd like to know.
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23:01:34	TrueJournals	Domonoky: Well, I can help a little... For the H10 20 GB, there will be a file in /System/ called "H10_20GC.mi4" ( /System/H10_20GC.mi4 )... don't know how you have autodetect set up, but you could probably just search for that file.
23:01:51	Domonoky	webguest76: jeah, thanxs for testing
23:02:09	webguest76	No problem. I was feeling a little adventurous. :-)
23:02:13	TrueJournals	Actually, how do you have autodetect set up?
23:02:32	Domonoky	TrueJournals: we now also have a rockbox-info.txt which could be used..
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23:02:44	TrueJournals	Didn't think about that...
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23:02:58	Domonoky	at the moment autodetect just uses ipodpatcher and sansapatcher to detect them..
23:03:26	TrueJournals	Well, I don't know much about coding, but I think another good way would be to scan USB device IDs
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23:04:06	TrueJournals	Because that would work even if it's the first time installing rockbox for a user (rockbox-info.txt would not exist in this case...)
23:04:08	Domonoky	TrueJournals: The Device IDs would be a good way, but thats not easy to make it work on everyplatform (win/lin/mac)
23:04:24	TrueJournals	Ah, OK
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23:04:53	Domonoky	on linuxit should be easy, on windows its strange and on mac, i dont know.. :-)
23:05:06	TrueJournals	Well, like I said, I'm not a coder :-\
23:05:51	Domonoky	i thought about using libUSB, (exists for win and Lin) but its a bit overkill and would add anothe depencie
23:06:17	Domonoky	noncoders have a easy life :-)
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23:06:28	TrueJournals	Heh
23:06:41	TrueJournals	Well, I think I'm going to try to get into C a little this summer
23:07:07	Domonoky	thats good, go for it :-)
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23:07:53	Domonoky	linuxstb: i hope i didnt broke the sanspatcher :-)
23:08:15	linuxstb	Domonoky: I can't see how you would, but I don't have a Sansa to test it on.
23:08:26	Domonoky	:-)
23:08:45	linuxstb	BTW, see my recent commit. rbutil wouldn't compile for me on Mac OS X as sectorbuf was defined in both ipodpatcher.c and sansapatcher.c
23:10:40	Domonoky	now i only need sansa owners to test rbutil, or i need to buy one :-)
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