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#rockbox log for 2007-05-05

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00:49:13*preglow sips de koninck
00:49:25peturaka 'bolleke'
00:49:29preglowheh, yeah
00:49:57preglowit's not bad
00:49:57*petur discovers he has no beer in the house...
00:49:58preglowlike all belgian beer
00:49:59*preglow has a delirium tremens
00:50:07peturoh, the pink elephants
00:50:12preglowi hear it's good
00:50:35peturit's a very small artisanal brewery not so far from where I live
00:50:48*pixelma asks herself if petur gets triggered on sorts of beer too (maybe only belgian ones) ;)
00:51:00pearldiverwhat are the KBD_MODES ?
00:51:15peturhey, stay on topic!
00:52:02preglowsmaller breweries are fun
00:52:04pearldiverjapanese beer for me
00:52:08preglowlooking forward to that
00:52:14*petur is sure he'll miss being on devcon if customs don't get the beer out of his luggage
00:52:19pearldiverbut anyway, KBD_MODES
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00:53:02preglowi heard some rumours tripel karmeliet will be available soon
00:53:12preglowwould make me smile
00:53:33markunme too
00:53:50peturoh I've got a 75cl of that in the house... bit much to drink now
00:54:01preglowcurses and curses
00:54:17peturI'll bring that and take orders for other brands :)
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00:54:41preglowwestvleteren would be a good choice...
00:54:45preglowi hear de dolle makes good stuff too
00:54:59peturwestvleteren is hard to get, even for us
00:55:05preglowi know :)
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00:57:32toffe82talking about beer, I think everybody now this :
00:58:05toffe82somebody want to put it in rockbox :)
00:58:30toffe82like a easter egg ;)
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01:01:31preglowyes, and we'll incorporate a huuuuge beer list for variety!
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01:02:17preglowpetur: why "bolleke", btw? does it mean anything, or is it just a name?
01:02:38moosor anonymous alcoholic.rock instead ;p
01:03:12peturpreglow: because of the glass which is almost like a sphere
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01:06:27*p3tur edited devcon wiki page :)
01:08:17amiconnpetur: It's called Bromma afaik
01:08:40amiconnOh, and btw, some beers are available in PET bottles here
01:08:48amiconn(regarding the weight of glass)
01:09:12peturbah, beer in plastic
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01:09:32amiconnI know, not ideal, but much easier to carry around
01:10:01peturrather bring one glass bottle than two plastic ones
01:10:39peturanyway, 20kg luggage will get me far :)
01:11:12*moos add petur to his alcohlic list ;)
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01:11:30*petur needs some sleep, tomorrow it house painting again
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01:12:15faginWhere can I find info on how to make album art work? I understand that you need a build with the right patch, but what format should the album art itself have?
01:12:23toffe82moos: for alcohol addiction how much is the consultation
01:12:23preglowalso, plastic doesn't break in the suitcase...
01:13:00moostoffe82: like we are in rockbox, I can make an little effort for the price ;-)
01:13:25faginI have a 24bit 100x100 pixel bitmap image in the folder I am playing the files from now, but I don't see any album art.
01:13:28toffe82so for buying too much player and drinking too much, I got a price ;)
01:13:38mooshahaha :D
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01:14:19moostoffe82: that just preglow case that could be more expensive ;p
01:15:00faginRincewind^moep, Thanks. I'll go and read up. :)
01:15:07moosfagin: album art isn't supported by official builds
01:15:13faginI know
01:15:31faginI am trying out some experimental builds just to see if I can get it to work
01:15:46Rincewind^moepI'm suprised you installed the album art patch without reading the wiki page first
01:15:58moosthere are some forums around, arent' they?
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01:16:15moosabout album art I mean
01:16:24faginThat could be because I found references to album art in the themes page, but not anything about album art itself
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01:26:15faginCool! Now Album Art is working for me. Thanks for the link.
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01:40:39czxcedascan anyone help me
01:41:38hcs what with?
01:41:50Aloneaczxcedas: you have to ask an actual question first
01:42:16czxcedasi want to get doom on my iriverh10 20gb how do i do that iam a real noob
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01:43:46moosread this first:
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01:49:39moosgood night europeans
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01:51:57axlgreasetireshello???? any1 here
01:52:22axlgreasetiresnvmd i guess so
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01:57:47Aloneaaxlgreasetires: ask a question
01:58:21axlgreasetiresi don't have any questions
01:58:41Aloneaaxlgreasetires: ah, ok. well, hello then!
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02:09:32SirGigglesi am SirGiggles
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02:14:20markunSirGiggles: welcome Sir
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02:18:23pearldiverwhat are the KBD_MODES ?
02:18:29pearldiverhey markun
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02:21:29markunhi pearldiver
02:21:35markunI don't know what it does
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02:23:30earHertzwhat's teh rockbox standard for a function to tell its caller it's been called with out of range parameters?
02:23:34pearldiver"Enter things any way you like"
02:23:45pearldiverkinda intriguing
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02:47:03pearldiveri guess i'll just try it
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03:10:48pearldiveri dont see any changes
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03:22:42earHertzis senab here?
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04:14:25sethjohnsonhi I just register on the TWiKi, I'd like write permission as I've created a Rockbox extension for MediaCoder
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04:16:00Soapare you an evil spammer trying to sell penis pills?
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04:16:37sethjohnsonhahah nope...
04:16:52TrueJournalsHas anyone ever said yes to that? ;-)
04:16:53sethjohnsonis there good money in that?
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04:17:22Soapyou're in
04:18:05SoapI would have been willing to pay $5 a pill for H3rbAl Vi Agra
04:18:18scorchewhat exactly does this extension do?
04:18:22sethjohnsoncool, Im just headed out the door but Ill add the extension when I get a chance
04:19:40sethjohnsonMediaCoder has extensions for different devices(PSP, iPod and other media players) just gives you a popup window with your presets and a cool preview on the video in your player
04:20:33Soapare you looking for hosting - or adding details about it to the PluginMpegplayer page?
04:21:12sethjohnsonsee this- I can host it if need be, but whatever works
04:21:24sethjohnsonbest for you guys
04:21:32scorchewhat were you planning on editing?
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04:22:33sethjohnsonwell I thought it would be good to include it with the other methods of encoding on the PluginMpegplayer page. what do you think?
04:22:50scorcheyes..that is best
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05:55:28Cyber_wolfhi, i'm having a problem installing rockbox on my iriver
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06:00:08Cyber_wolfcan't load rockbox.mi4 file not found and rockbox.h10 same thing
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06:02:17webguest60hi all
06:03:39Cyber_wolfcan someone help?
06:04:22webguest60wassup cyberwolf?
06:04:27webguest60(i'm a noob)
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06:27:02avenged_oneAny progress on the Sansa Rhapsody recently?
06:28:04avenged_oneWell that sucks.
06:28:08avenged_oneThanks anyways
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09:16:56My_Sichi everybody
09:17:05My_Sici have a problème with the database
09:17:22My_Sicwhen i start i have a "database not ready"
09:17:33My_Sici can use it, but its never updated
09:17:53My_Sicfor playing stats and for new files or del files
09:20:20amiconnHmm, I don't really understand. If it says 'database not ready' you cannot enter it. Instead it should offer you to initialise it, and after the next boot it should be available
09:20:44My_Sicit say when start rockbox "database is not ready" and i can use it
09:21:02My_Sicand it's already initialise
09:21:06My_Sici have all the file
09:21:27amiconnThen I honestly don't know what happens... never had that behaviour
09:21:38My_Sicdatabase_0.tcd ... database_7.tcd and database_idx.tcd
09:21:53My_Sicit's not the first time for me
09:22:16Slasheriit just briefly displays database not ready on boot?
09:22:31My_Sicand alla the time I have to del the databse and initialise them after. But i loose all the stats
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09:22:53*amiconn always does a full rebuild instead of a database update
09:22:56Slasheriin that case it's normal because browser tries to enter database sooner it has been checked
09:23:01My_Sicseems to be the database update who say that message
09:23:01Slasheriand then it becomes ready
09:23:31SlasheriMy_Sic: and for the song stats, are you sure you have enabled the gather runtime data option?
09:23:32amiconnSlasheri: Hmm, never seen that. Under what conditions would that happen?
09:23:41My_Sicyes it's enable
09:23:52Slasheriamiconn: i am not sure, i have seen that very rarely
09:23:53My_Sicsince I have this message, never updated
09:24:16Slasheriamiconn: it happened on boot when browser automatically tries to open the db view
09:24:34amiconnMaybe it only happens when you've set your start screen to db browser?
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09:24:47Slasheriindeed, or resume to the last screen
09:25:06amiconnThat explains why I've never seen that happen
09:25:44My_Sicyes it was this
09:26:05My_Sici change the start screen, and i haven't the message
09:26:25amiconnSlasheri: Btw, I have another database related question myself
09:27:22amiconnIf you start an album/whatever from the db browser and let it play, when the playlist ends, rockbox drops back to the db browser as it should
09:27:48amiconnHowever, in that case it performs 2 database seacrhes before it displays your last folder. Do you know why that happens?
09:28:28Slasherihmm, interesting.. i rarely use playlists that end so i have never seen that
09:28:48amiconnIt seems to me that this behaviour started with the introduction of the root menu
09:29:07amiconnHehe, and I rarely use repeat, i.e. my playlists (nearly) always end
09:29:46Slasheribut that sounds weird, what would the db need to search for
09:30:01amiconnTe only purpose I use repeat for is doing runtime tests
09:30:31amiconnWell, if you enter a database 'folder', it needs to gather the entries for display
09:30:48amiconnIt indicates that by popping the 'search.... xxxx found' splash
09:31:09amiconnThis splash appears twice when dumping back to the db browser after end of playlist
09:31:31Slasheritrue, but if that folder is already loaded, it shouldn't be necessary to reload it twice
09:32:01Slasheriprobably a problem with the menu system, at least it sounds like that
09:32:04amiconnI don't know whether it's the same folder...
09:32:12amiconnIt also happens when stopping, btw
09:32:40amiconnThis is without anything 'in ram', i.e. on archos
09:32:49Slasheriah, i have db in ram so i haven't seen that.. trying soon
09:33:07Slasheriprobably it just reloads the current folder content (twice)
09:33:42amiconnOnce would be enough....
09:35:31amiconnOh, and speaking about things in RAM: you fixed the uniniterruptable dircache scan a while ago, but now there is a related problem.
09:36:12amiconnIf you shut down the unit now while a dircache scan is running, dircache will do its scan in the foreground on next boot. I don't think this is intended....
09:40:35My_Sicjuste to say that now the database updating, is working. so never use the database at start screen
09:40:51Slasherihmm, this is weird.. the unit does the db search always twice when you enter the db view from the root menu. After first search you can even scroll one item down on the list, but if you do that, after the second search is done nothing happens until you press the menu key
09:41:11SlasheriMy_Sic: hmm, i have had no problems with that
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09:41:24amiconnMy_Sic: On what target, btw?
09:41:59My_Sicipod 60Go 5.0 under "evil ice" build
09:42:04My_Sicwhats mean btw ?
09:42:49pixelmabtw = by the way
09:43:02My_Sicok thanks
09:43:07My_Sicno working
09:43:10My_Sicnot working
09:43:17My_Sici have another problem
09:43:51My_Sicwhen rockbox have updating the database, it have deleting from the dabase all the old file and now i have only the new
09:47:22SlasheriMy_Sic: please try with official build
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09:57:52My_Sicit's the same
09:59:51My_Sicwhen i restart the player after "update the databse", the player fail at step 1/8. i have to restard again to have all the step
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10:25:58dodo1ive got freaky question about rockbox plugins
10:26:14dodo1do u remember the one named xobox? this game?
10:31:07midkayit still exists.
10:34:28dodo1i would like to have this game on my pc
10:34:46dodo1for winxp
10:34:53dodo1or similar game
10:34:56midkayit's a clone of "qix".
10:35:04midkayor "xonix".
10:35:14dodo1qix? thanks midkay thats what i was looking for
10:35:19midkaysure thing.
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10:47:38JdGordonhey all
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11:09:52pixelmaJdGordon: the comment you put in your mail was already mentioned here in IRC
11:10:03JdGordonah ok
11:10:19JdGordonserves me right for not reading logs then :p
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11:19:26markunmorning amiconn
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11:35:51amiconnmarkun: morning... but heh, it's almost noon! :)
11:36:28JdGordonstill morning then :)
11:36:28markunyes, almost, and I still didn't have breakfast..
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11:52:07webguest93hello everybody
11:52:27webguest93i've got a question about flashing the firmware of the iriver h320....
11:53:04webguest93is it possible to downgrade it? i mean i have the version k1.31 but i need the 1.29 so that i can install the rockbox loader....
11:53:08webguest93is this possible?
11:53:50webguest93so i just have to put an older firmware version on the player's hdd and select the firmware upgrade option?
11:54:09webguest93oh cool :) thanks
11:55:08webguest93can't wait to try rockbox... heard many interesting facts...
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11:59:56daurnimatorJdGordon: gday
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12:02:24daurnimatorhow bout tomorrow
12:04:34JdGordonmaybe... got soo much work to do tonight and tomrow... maybe when i need a break
12:06:48daurnimatorwork is for people that aren;t you
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12:17:14JdGordondaurnimator: damn right... but 3 major asingments due very soon and im fucked if i fail any subjects this year
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12:25:55oboamiconn: ping
12:27:33obohi - was reading your comments in the logs about audioscrobbler
12:28:25obothere are 3 seperate issues, there is a patch for one (6213)
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12:29:16oboOne needs a change to playback.c that I can't get to work - and the archos issues seem to stem from a bug in mpeg.c
12:29:42obooh, and a few bytes can be saved by wrapping mktime() in timefuncs.c in a #ifdef CONFIG_RTC
12:35:02amiconnBut why does this thing work _sometimes_ on archos (in a non-predictable manner)?
12:35:14amiconnAlmost looks like a race condition on init to me...
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12:36:56oboFrom patches I had users run (FS #6639) it seems like it's an issue with audio_track_changed_event
12:37:00amiconnI don't have enough time to test atm.
12:37:30amiconnI would like to get some hints what exactly to look for in the log files, as I don't have a account and won't get one either
12:37:42amiconnOr is it just a simple yes/no issue?
12:38:02oboit should add a line for every track that is played
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13:09:47AceNik___hey guys im maintaining a patched verison on the source , i wanted to ask is it possible that the patches in the source get replaced n get redundant at any time
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13:13:26linuxstbAceNik___: I'm not sure what you're asking. Patches may get committed to SVN, or the same or similar features may get implemented in a different way, or patches simply go out of sync over time as Rockbox changes.
13:14:11AceNik___i am maintining a patched version of the svn , i include a few patches n makes builds for myself
13:14:47AceNik___now the question i have is , at any point of time will the patch code get replaced by updating the source
13:15:22desowinsubversion will tell you when there's conflict
13:16:47AceNik___secondly , suppose i want to create a sync'ed version of a particular patch , but i have multiple patches to the source , how can i produce the latest patch file for a particular patch, svn diff wont do this
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13:21:30AceNik___anyone ?
13:21:41linuxstbAceNik___: One option would be to reverse (i.e. apply them again with patch -R) all the other patches.
13:24:51AceNik___but then wouldnt that make the patch stop working later , since it worked with the svn update , but removing it would cause some changes to the source that might not be possible to patch again right?
13:25:28LearAnyone tried adding a radio channel recently? I get an illegal instruction on my H140 build...
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13:26:46linuxstbAceNik___: If patch -R works to reverse the patch, then you will be able to apply it again.
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13:27:56AceNik___ok , so is there a chnace some of the patches get committed to the svn itself, like for instantance, sokoban improvements?
13:27:58LearAh, works on official builds...
13:28:42AceNik___the sokoban.levels, needs to be copied & renamed to sokobanlevels.sok & then proceed with the patch
13:28:48linuxstbAceNik___: Yes, if someone promotes them to the developers and they are of good enough quality.
13:30:15AceNik___well the y do seem efficent & derease size & use better coding , i dont see a reason , why , anyways the reason im talking about this is also , if some developer reads the logs & proceeds with it , i ot 2 patches commited earlier this way only , calculator tan & starfield pulse
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13:35:49AceNik___i wanted to ask is there a way possible where a person could choose stuff he wants in the rockbox build & everything gets compiled into one build or zip & get downloaded
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13:36:57AceNik___i know if the custom builds cant be made , like the compiling stuff , might be hard to do ,but , atleast we cant start with the option of providing themes , wps. selected plugins , fonts, dictionary
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13:37:21*bluebrother doesn't understand this question
13:37:38AceNik___i know all this is available through rockbox util , but still it lacks the system to fully cutomise a rockbox build to the users benefit
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13:38:53AceNik___im talking of somethin like , you just tick the options you wish to have in your build & even select the type of database's , or so , & the custom files would be downlaoded as a custom build together , rather than doin everything yourself
13:39:35bluebrotherthere are a couple of options that are simply not wanted. For example there was already some discussion about removing themes completely from the builds.
13:39:37linuxstbAceNik___: Are you talking about a system for removing features from Rockbox?
13:40:14bluebrotherthere is not "I create my customized build on the fly" thing around and I don't believe this is even wanted.
13:40:43AceNik___no im talkin bout a newbie entering a pae where he can just tick a few options & he gets whatever he wants in his build (zip) & he just needs to place it in his root
13:40:43bluebrotherIf you want your customized build you'll need to make it yourself.
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13:41:10linuxstbAceNik___: I don't understand then - what would the user not select?
13:41:14bluebrotherIMO this is not a feature that is wanted.
13:41:36bluebrotherlinuxstb, as far as I understood he wants a customizable download
13:42:05bluebrotherincluding the setting of build options
13:42:16linuxstbWhat build options? There aren't any...
13:42:25bluebrotherright ...
13:42:54bluebrotherthat's the strange part of that question
13:43:01AceNik___i know that , i make my own builds , but im only trying to see a way possible to make the website interact with the way people want their builds & not , like suppose custom themes can be added , custm fonts can be added , custom config files made there & then & added, cutom database's , tagnavi file
13:43:13bluebrotherbut anyway, I don't think some on-the-fly customizable zip downloads are feasible at all
13:43:37bluebrotherthe user can always download that stuff himself
13:43:39markunI'm pretty sure I've seen such a website before
13:43:42linuxstbAceNik___: That is much better handled by Rockbox Utility - we don't want to make the web server do all that work.
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13:43:46amiconnFirst of all it would be a support nightmare
13:43:51bluebrotherand rbutil will integrate taht.
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13:44:02markunwhere you could select which patches you want to include for your custom rockbox build
13:44:04AceNik___every option would have their screenshots & decribtion to make the user understand
13:44:21*bluebrother even fears of supporting such a website −− loads of users will be confused to even download Rockbox
13:44:27amiconnRight now we have exactly one set of official builds with exactly one set of features.
13:44:35markunAceNik___: maybe it's better to spend energy in solving the problems why these patches can't be committed..
13:44:38AceNik___yup markun patches was on my mind but then i thought of how the compiling on the server would be a problem
13:44:39bluebrotherJdGordon had a patch-your-build site up for some time.
13:44:44amiconnIf something doesn't work as intended there, it needs to be fixed
13:45:18*JdGordon wonders if I still have the code for that site anywhere
13:45:27AceNik___well im not denying rockbox utility is a good effor , but it still has loads of options to be included
13:45:47amiconnI know that there are custom builds out there, but these aren't official. So if there's a problem with them, the publisher of these patched builds is your first (and only) contact if there are problems
13:45:54bluebrotherthen go and create a patch to include that "loads of options"
13:45:58AceNik___can there be options in rockbox utility to , do the customising in the computer for the user
13:46:14linuxstbAceNik___: By "customising" do you mean applying patches?
13:46:48AceNik___ linuxstb: patching,thats just another part of it
13:46:58bluebrotherwe have only one set of official binaries
13:47:12bluebrotherpatching is done against sources, and rbutil is an installer tool, not a compiler
13:47:40bluebrotherplus, supporting a user-customized-build beyond the official settings would be a real PITA
13:47:55linuxstbAceNik___: I still don't understand what you want... Rockbox Utility allows you to install themes. Settings can be set in Rockbox itself. There's nothing else for a user to choose.
13:47:59AceNik___first atleast setting all the configs riight , including cutom themes , wps's , can the rockbox util be made to delete files from the build n include custom files int he zip , all on the computer
13:48:05bluebrotherit would also be impossible creating a consistent manual for that.
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13:50:06AceNik___well , people ( newbie's) dont know how to modify database views , probably they could just select which database they want , & that gets included int he build , i mean screenshots be provided with 4-5 database's
13:50:13markunAceNik___: people in here (like me) are mostly boring conservative rockbox hackers :) Maybe try writing in the forums about your ideas, there are some people who are crazy about customizing there I think
13:50:19amiconnAceNik___: Regarding patches, there is a whole bunch of possible reasons why a patch isn't included in svn yet.
13:50:43bluebrotherpeople who don't know how to customize Rockbox should read the manual
13:50:50AceNik___at the same time , they would prefer having screenshots of fonts be shown to them , inorder to keep it or delete it ,
13:50:57bluebrotherthat's the reason we write it (and put quite some effort into it)
13:51:19markunbluebrother: I think the manual could do with some restructuring btw
13:51:27preglowmarkun: it's being talked about
13:51:51bluebrotherwhat _might_ be an option would be to allow the user to select between a couple of default settings, like "apple-like", "default", etc
13:52:01markunwhen I use the manual to look up something I mostly find it because I know rockbox well already
13:52:06AceNik___well , i can gaurantee , one thing ,making rockbox more user friendly like this is better & you would see a leap in people using this software more , since it works out easy & customisable very well
13:52:14bluebrothermarkun, I agree. Still, someone needs to do it ;-)
13:52:30bluebrotherbut hopefully I'll find more time for working on it in a couple of weeks
13:52:41*linuxstb wonders what "apple-like" means,,, Disable the file browser and limit support to AAC and MP3?
13:52:48markunbluebrother: do you have some good ideas on how to improve it?
13:52:49bluebrotherhehe ...
13:53:09amiconn(1) There might be issues with the code itself (e.g. too large/complicated for what it does, coding style etc) (2) There might be problems regarding the multi-platformness of rockbox. The fact that it "appears to work" on one target simply isn't enough (except if it deals with a feature that is only possible on this target, but such features are rare)
13:53:11markunI want Gigabeat OF like!
13:53:18bluebrotherlinuxstb, like have the database enabled and loaded to RAM initially
13:53:25markunno UMS support, no more games/video
13:53:34markunflashing bubbles in the WPS
13:53:49AceNik___well im talking about how , you could possibly make rockbox utility show the user stuff , screenshots & desription like the manual & let the user decide what he wants , files can be downlaoded earlier viewed & changes can be made & a final zip can be made on the comp
13:53:51bluebrotherso it's more suited for the average ipod user. And choose an apple-like theme ;-)
13:53:54amiconn(3) The simplest one - no developer has looked into the patch yet, for several reasons (lack of interest / time etc)
13:54:29bluebrothermarkun, tucoz ideas on the ML sound good to me
13:55:03bluebrotherrbutil already shows screenshots of the themes to install
13:55:08bluebrotherat least afaik.
13:55:47*bluebrother wants a coffee maker plugin
13:55:54AceNik___\i think its too much work to start a project , bu i beleive its worth it
13:56:19amiconnThat's a self-contradiction...
13:56:52bluebrotherI don't even understand what's the "project"
13:57:13bluebrotheror what it should be, to be exact
13:57:54markunamiconn: a project worth of not starting it? :)
13:58:12bluebrotherthen let's ... not start it! :)
13:58:31amiconnIf it's worth it, it can't be too much work at the same time. Being too much work implies it's not worth it
13:59:15AceNik___well i obviously feel there have to be ways around to this , makin it work on the individuals computer, the project : a more user friendly descriptive like the manual , rockbox utility , providing the user options to downlaod the daily build to his computer , viewthe contents with screenshots from the manual , delete what he doesnt need, and download custom files , fonts , themes wps, databse views , & zip on the computer a custom build
14:00:02bluebrothera manual that can install Rockbox? What a nonsense.
14:00:40AceNik___cant you read , i said rockbos utility , combined to provide information with the help of the manual , rewad properly
14:01:00AceNik___rockbox utility , read
14:01:26bluebrotheryes, but then it becomes a new manual
14:01:37bluebrotherwhich can install Rockbox. And this is nonsense IMO
14:01:51bluebrotherbtw, I can read. Just to make it clear
14:01:52AceNik___im out of here , thanks a lot
14:02:26markunAceNik___: have a nice weekend man
14:02:32markundon't take it personally :)
14:02:43AceNik___blue brother , knows how to make real stupid comments without following the whole conversation
14:03:25AceNik___bluebrother go make ur maual , ill work on rockbox utility
14:03:33markunso, who wants ice cream?
14:03:42bluebrotherI followed the conversation. Now you start getting personally.
14:05:18bluebrotherrbutil could offer to download (and open) the manual at the first installation page ...
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14:06:21AceNik___all im trying to point out is this is very well possible & a nice feature to start with, if companies can provide downlaoding .exe to your computer & installin it to your computer , even we can provide , to download the usual files on the computer , modify it , n re-zip to install on the player
14:07:03amiconnWell, what problem you're trying to solve?
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14:07:45amiconnRockbox can be installed by simply downloading and extracting a .zip (after installing the bootloader on targets where it's needed)
14:07:49AceNik___no i mean everyfile have a link to the maual by default , so just clicking on viewing the zip , of the daily build n the utility causes it t show you the various files, as i click on a file , right beside in the utility it shows the screenshot & description, if i like it , i keep the file in the zip , or else i delete
14:07:54bluebrotherAceNik___, it would also _really_ helpful if you would write short, clear sentences instead of multiple line worms
14:08:09bluebrothermost devs are non-native english
14:08:13amiconnIf you want further fonts, wps'es, icons - just copy them and select them
14:08:35*bluebrother agrees that there is no problem with the current install
14:08:56AceNik___amiconn: i know that buddy , but i was thinkin to make it more userfriendly , which is the aimof rockbox utility
14:09:14amiconnThere's a manual explaining the possibilities (I'm aware that it needs some work especially regarding the latest features)
14:10:01AceNik___ bluebrother yes there is no problem , its just that making your product more appealing & functional , instead of people reading so much to get it right , they can go step by step with everything
14:10:15amiconnWell afaik the rockbox utility just tries to simplify the first-time install (bootloader installation etc), nothing more
14:10:30bluebrotherRockbox is no product.
14:10:56AceNik___well its a brand name which will grow ever to be on every possible player
14:11:11markunAceNik___: we're doing this for fun
14:11:13bluebrotheramiconn, as far as I understood rbutil also can install themes lateron
14:11:21AceNik___& its only possible if its made simple for even a 10 yr old to do various things on it
14:11:22bluebrotherRockbox is a project. Not a product.
14:11:32amiconnIn some sense rockbox is a product. But at the same time it's an open source coding project and as such it's a moving target
14:12:05bluebrotherit's not needed 10 years olds understand it. That's not the target of the project.
14:12:07AceNik___ bluebrother: as always bluebrother you like to drift off , to stupid thins , rather than understanding the point & making an effort to laugh
14:12:07amiconnKeep in mind that there is *no release version* for any other target than the old archoses yet
14:12:31bluebrotheroh, getting personal again?
14:12:42amiconnIf you're using rockbox on ipod / iriver / iaudio, this can be considered beta testing
14:12:45bluebrotherI rather think *you* don't get *my* point
14:13:16AceNik___amiconn:im aware of that , it shall all happen in due course of time , so does this feature require time,a ll we can do is make stuff towards perfection
14:13:47bluebrothera 10 year old won't be able installing windows too. So why is that needed for Rockbox?
14:14:23AceNik___ bluebrother: do you follow up the progress of all children int he world
14:14:58bluebrotherdo you do it?
14:15:04AceNik___just all of you givbe your comments finally , do yu think my idea is worth it or no , n ill stop
14:15:34markunAceNik___: the most important think is if *you* think it's work it
14:15:42markunjust go for it if you do
14:15:55bluebrotherI don't think there is a problem in that field that needs to be solved.
14:15:59AceNik___ bluebrother: no but i han on a possiblitity that , since something like google exists , & todays exposure ,its enough for most of them to be doin wonders already
14:16:22bluebrotherit's like usual in open source projects: create a patch ...
14:16:54markunbluebrother: or convice others that it's fun to create one :)
14:16:56bluebrotherI don't understand this sentence
14:17:04AceNik___markuni prefer givin respect to people who are here before me & all i think of doing is coming up as team , but people here grow arrogant , with progree it seems
14:17:22bluebrothermarkun, yes, but to me even the concept isn't clear at all
14:18:11AceNik___my whole point of suggesting such a thing was for people to better it or start work on it , but bluebrother keeps interupting drifting away fromt he topic all the time
14:18:52bluebrotherAceNik___, first: write clear sentences. Second: stop bitching around. Third: accept that there are people that may have strong objections against your idea(s)
14:19:53AceNik___bluebrother: im waitin for them to voice it out then , & let a opposite person finish stuff , when he talks , & about my bitching , you were the one who started acting smart
14:20:26bluebrotheryeah yeah.
14:20:58bluebrotherso calling an idea "nonsense" is "acting smart" now?
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14:21:27AceNik___well one person saying is not enough , you see
14:22:05bluebrotherenough for what? It's my opinion. Simple as is.
14:22:21AceNik___since you still dont obviously have a clue what i mean , might as well you dont comment on it , cause its a hinderance
14:22:47AceNik___then its your opinion in the wrong direction towards making thins o right
14:23:06bluebrotheryou don't need to like my opinion, but by bringing up my objections I'm definitely not drifting away
14:23:19bluebrotheroh, but you have a clue what I mean?
14:23:39markunAceNik___: I think you made it pretty clear what you want: a install util where you can select which files get installed based on screenshots and info about it, right?
14:23:40bluebrotherand why don't you try to make your idea clear to me?
14:24:01bluebrotherif you think I got your idea wrong?
14:24:07AceNik___& how is makin my idea of extending support to a software , sound like making a manual ? i thing both are way different terms in terms of functionality n need
14:24:50SoapAceNik___: you've been typing angry since 8:00, twenty two minutes ago. I think it would be in the best interest of all if this conversation were shelved for at least an hour for all parties to calm down. If it is a good idea it will be a good idea later.
14:25:40AceNik___& who are you to decide the scope of rockbox by saying that , its limited to a few select people , it can appeal to everyone , it just needs to be promoted well & made functional well , doesnt the ipods appeal & work out well for a 10yr old ?
14:26:07markunAceNik___: if you just want to argue with bluebrother and ignore all the rest of us please do it in PM
14:26:36AceNik___im sorry for hamperin progress , please proceed , im no longer to talk
14:26:53bluebrotherI will now follow Soap's advice and stop responding. But to my understanding you definitely haven't got my point at all.
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14:37:23markunamiconn: 64-bit problems?
14:38:34amiconnyes, 100%
14:38:52amiconnA rockbox specific libmad optimisation isn't 64 bit clean
14:39:22amiconnIt's a known issue
14:39:37amiconnOther formats work fine, just mpa doesn't
14:42:06*amiconn 's first forum post after a loong time...
14:43:10markunamiconn: I'll try to point you to interesting posts then :)
14:44:09amiconnI have an idea how to fix the problem, but I need to find a proper way to check for sizeof(int) at compile time
14:44:22amiconnI mean in the preprocessor
14:45:20preglowis that even possible?
14:45:56amiconnNot exactly. It'd be possible to check INT_MAX (or MAX_INT? - I always confuse that)
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14:46:13amiconnPerhaps it's something for the configure script to put into autoconf.h
14:46:35amiconnIirc the configure script runs a tiny program to figure out endianess
14:46:44amiconn(for sim builds)
14:46:46preglowthen that's the spot for it, for sure
14:47:29amiconnIt could as well spit out sizeof(int), sizeof(long) and whatever else might be interesting information of that type
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15:51:20JdGordonanyone got any static-X ?
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15:54:39*Domonoky sees talk about rbutil in the logs.. :-)
15:58:23Domonokyhas anyone tested rbutil on sansa ?
16:02:50JdGordonDomonoky: not yet.. have you got a linuxx86 build I can try it with?
16:03:38Domonokyi could build one..
16:08:43Domonokyhm.. where to but the binary..
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16:12:29JdGordonok, having a quick play
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16:16:19JdGordon.... once wxgtk2 is installed
16:16:53JdGordonautodetect works
16:17:07Domonokyah, good news :-)
16:17:50JdGordonbootloader screen was blank..? was that because i didnt run it sudo?
16:18:48Domonokyno, its empty, because no need for more info.. :-)
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16:19:12Domonokythere should be some text in the future, like "are you sure ?"
16:19:28JdGordonoh... it doesnt prompt to install a bl? it just does it?
16:19:37Domonokyyes :-)
16:19:44JdGordon:O !
16:19:48*JdGordon no likey
16:19:54Domonokyif you selekt ok, in the empty Dialog
16:20:27JdGordonok, it works fine :)
16:20:35*JdGordon loves the integration
16:20:41JdGordonwhy is downloading so slow in it though?
16:21:13Domonokyi dont know, it shouldnt be slower than anything else..
16:21:27Domonokycould be is slow..
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16:23:54JdGordonno, for some reason doing any downloading from rbutil seems alot slower than normal...
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16:24:29Domonokyhm.. then its the downloading in wxwidgets.. i dont know..
16:29:01XavierGrbluebrother: on a side note, while I don't agree with AceNick's idea (from what I understood), characterizing someone's idea as "nonsense" in front of him doesn't sound kind to me :P
16:30:38*JdGordon reads the log to find out what the fuss was about!
16:30:47JdGordonXavierGr got my curiosity going :p
16:31:09XavierGrof course his way of describing that idea was rather confusing... and also his babbling was very aggresive IMHO
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16:35:04JdGordonzzzz... logs were boring :p
16:35:07JdGordonback to uni work
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16:38:52oblibAnyone familiar with playlist.c here?
16:39:29JdGordonim familiar with how much of a mess it is.. :)
16:39:40oblibindeed :)
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16:40:01oblibI've been messing around with some stuff, and I'm now getting a segmentation fault if I load a playlist twice.
16:40:27oblibIt doesn't have to be the same playlist, just the second time I load a playlist, it crashes
16:40:42oblibAny ideas what function I've broken?
16:40:43JdGordonget the sim going and play in gdb
16:41:09oblibI haven't used gdb for years, and then it was following directions in class
16:41:09JdGordonprobably not reinitialising the playlist struct correctly before you load a new one
16:41:33oblibDo you know where it reinitialises?
16:41:41JdGordonnot of the top of my head...
16:41:46JdGordonget it going in gdb...
16:41:50JdGordonbt - backtrace
16:41:53JdGordonl - list
16:42:03oblibhow do I use gdb and the simulator?
16:42:06JdGordonp <var> - print the <var> variable
16:42:18JdGordonon linux?
16:42:36JdGordoncompile a sim build
16:42:48JdGordonthen $gdb rockboxui
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16:46:56*aliask thanks JdGordon for getting him onto GDB
16:47:03oblibokay, I did 'start' and then 'continue' and got it to just before the crashing point
16:47:18oblibHow do I stop it and get useful info?
16:47:19bluebrotheroblib, you might want to google for the gdb cheat sheet or quick reference
16:47:31bluebrotherctrl-c stops execution
16:47:40oblibbluebrother, that's a good idea, thanks
16:48:02JdGordonoblib: easiest thing is get it to crash... then use the 3 instructions i gave you before to figure out why
16:48:19JdGordonor you breakpoints... "$b <file>:<line>"
16:48:54vaydehowdy folks. Can anybody tell me if rockbox will handle an ext3 filesystem?
16:49:03bluebrothervayde, it doesn't
16:49:03aliaskvayde: It won't.
16:49:12bluebrotheryou need FAT32
16:49:52vaydebummer. Oh well. Thanks.
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16:52:04oblibJdGordon, thanks for the help. I still can't see what's making it crash, but at least I can figure it out now
16:52:17JdGordongood luck
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16:53:51oblibIf someone has a simluator ready, built off the lastest svn, could you open it and then try to open two playlists in a row? I'd like to know whether this is a bug I introduced or not.
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17:20:41JdGordon:'( i have some code working fine in the unit test... but when i hook it into the rest of the program it crashes
17:21:43Domonokybad unit test :-) you should not code against the unit -test :-) something will be missing...
17:22:18aliaskunit test?
17:22:40JdGordontesting the module seperatly to make sure it works
17:26:33JdGordonmissing '\0' :'(
17:26:50JdGordonhmm... no thats not it :'(
17:27:16aliaskwant an extra pair of eyes on it?
17:28:59JdGordonyou dont want to look :p
17:29:01JdGordonits horrible
17:29:11*JdGordon 's cse3301 assignment
17:29:18JdGordonworth 100% of the semester mark!
17:29:24aliaskHoly crap
17:29:35aliaskWhat does it do?
17:29:42aliaskOr what is it supposed to do?
17:29:56JdGordonen/decode using a dozen different ciphers
17:30:09JdGordonand eventually help the user to crack a simple code
17:30:25aliaskSounds like a lot of maths to me :)
17:31:20JdGordonsurprisingly little actually..
17:31:25JdGordonthe ciphers are fairly simple
17:31:36*JdGordon made a working ww2 engima machine!
17:31:59aliaskJust iterate over data with a fixed function?
17:32:35JdGordonpretty much
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17:43:55JdGordonw00t ! got it working
17:44:07JdGordonstupid thing was skipping over the \0 if it was after \n :'(
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17:58:18xaikihey boys and girls !
17:59:29xaikiI got an ipod that's not booting into rockbox anymore, and not being reconized by the comp when pluging it in. my friend told me that a guy touched 'something' I guess he must have somehow removed the firmware (ROLO loads but can't boot) you know any way to get the ipod to appear on usb ?
18:00:05spiorfxaiki, hold select and play while booting
18:03:28xaikispiorf: it looks like the ipod is not charging even when plugged to an usb ...
18:03:42xaikiand hence I can't reboot it =/
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18:04:45xaiki(btw I found that keys on the ipodilinux wiki, and it could be usefull to have it in the rockbox ipod doc)
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18:39:23Topy44hi there
18:39:36Topy44i just wanted to give some status on my AGC testing:
18:39:53Topy44i have reactivated AGC (and with it the histogram) on my X5 build
18:40:16Topy44and tested it both at home and in real live situations, recording live concerts and band rehearsals
18:40:25Topy44and it is perfectly usable
18:41:04Topy44true, the steps (1.5db) are a little harsh, but really, they are pretty inaudible
18:41:23Topy44i recommend eighter permanently reactivating AGC (but leaving it "off" by default)
18:41:33Topy44or at least make it a menu option in the configure script
18:41:37Domonokysounds nice, make patch for flyspray and nag the devs to commit it :-)
18:41:38Topy44btw, the histogram is GREAT
18:41:45Topy44i havent done anything
18:42:03Topy44i just told the make script to include the AGC
18:42:28Topy44and did some minor changes to get it work with the current version
18:42:40Topy44well, meaby i'll do it anyway :)
18:42:55Domonokymake a patch, its easy and the it doesnt get lost..
18:43:06Topy44i will
18:43:18Topy44and once i get some time on my hands i will add some improvements to the AGC
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18:53:06bluebrotherDomonoky, what do you think about a "manual" tab in rbutil that downloads and opens the manual for the selected device?
18:56:12Domonokywould be nice, either downloading the pdf page, or opening a browser with the html version..
18:57:30bluebrotherembed the pdf viewer into rbutil ;-)
18:57:56bluebrotherBut I guess this isn't possible −− but how about the html? Can wx render basic html pages?
18:58:33Domonokyhtml could be possible, will have a look at the possibilitys in wx
18:59:45bluebrotherthat way a tab could have a link to the pdf and html download and render the manual below
19:00:10bluebrotherdon't know how good that would be for reading −− there isn't too much space
19:00:32bluebrotherbut it could motivate clicking the pdf manual link
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19:00:43Domonokyhm, there is wxHtmlWindow ..
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19:48:58Domonokywhy is the manual for h120 named h100 ?
19:49:27Domonokydamn different namings, makes it difficult for rbutil..
19:52:31Domonokybut integrated manual looks really nice..
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19:54:56Domonokynow, how to deal with this damn misnaming.. :-/
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20:05:07Ranbeehi, is there somewhere online where i can reencode a youtube video for rockbox? i did it once but it was really slow :(
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20:19:47buleeahnIs anyone here familiar with installing rockbox using the bootloader of an old ipodlinux install?
20:20:36Domonokythe ipl bootloader needs to be new enough.. so irs probably better to use the rockbox bootloader..
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20:21:51HellDragonbuleeahn: I never managed to get rockbox and ipodlinux working at the same time
20:21:59HellDragonrockbox kept saying it couldn't find .rockbox
20:22:22Domonokythe rockbox bootloader can also load ipl..
20:22:41buleeahnWell, I may need some advice then...
20:22:44HellDragoni still have ipl on an ext3 partition on my ipod i'll try to boot it
20:22:51buleeahnI've got an old installation of ipodlinux from a while back...
20:23:08Domonokyif anyone wants to rbutil v0.3.2.2, now with integrated manual: domonoky/">
20:23:09buleeahnI tried rockbox on top of that but found the battery life wasn't to my liking...
20:23:16Domonoky+ test :-)
20:23:16buleeahnso I just deleted the .rockbox directory.
20:23:25HellDragonbatterylife is ok
20:23:33buleeahnRight, it's ok *now*.
20:23:36buleeahnWhich is why I'm here.
20:23:41buleeahnI want to try rockbox again.
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20:23:51buleeahnBut I don't want to have to reset my ipod and lose everything onit.
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20:24:04buleeahnSo I just want to use the old bootloader from ipodlinux - which still works.
20:24:17HellDragonLoader2 ?
20:24:27buleeahnI think it's an older verison of loader2.
20:24:32buleeahnWhich may or may not work.
20:24:33Domonokybut probably the ipl bootloader is too old for rockbox..
20:24:37HellDragonah the old one
20:24:43HellDragoni dont think it will work with rockbox
20:24:45Domonokythe it doesnt work !
20:24:45buleeahnWell it worked with an older version of rockbox...
20:25:01buleeahnso will it work with the latest?
20:25:02Domonokyrockbox evolves fast..
20:25:40HellDragonbuleeahn: probably not
20:25:42Domonokyif you install the latest ipl loader, then it should work, but it should be easier to install the rockbox loader ..:-)
20:25:46HellDragonbut you could still try
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20:26:16buleeahnCool, thanks guys!
20:26:24buleeahnNow to see if I can install the latest loader without bricking my ipod or losing the existing data on it.
20:26:46bluebrotherDomonoky, just ask Bagder to symlink the h100 to the h120 manual ;-)
20:27:09HellDragonbuleeahn: if you mess up the bootloader you can still boot into diskmode, backup your stuff, then format it/try to reinstall the bootloader
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20:27:28Domonokybluebrother: i have now hacked it into rbutil, so it treats the h120 the same as h100 for the manual..
20:27:45bluebrotherit is the same for the manual ;-)
20:27:48Domonokyi will now commit the manual support.. it looks nice :-)
20:28:05bluebrotherjust wanted to ask how far you got ;-)
20:28:15buleeahnDomonoky: I have no clue what you're talking about. What's rbutil?
20:28:22buleeahnAnd what's the h120 and h100?
20:28:34bluebrotherrockbox utility −− our installer (when it's finished)
20:28:39buleeahnHellDragon: good to know about messing up the bootloader.
20:28:43buleeahnAh, ok.
20:28:48bluebrotherh120 and h100 are targets −− iriver players
20:28:52Domonokyyeah, and h100, h120 are mp3 players
20:28:53buleeahnAh, ok.
20:29:02Domonoky bluebrother you type to fast :-)
20:29:19bluebrotherh100 and h120 differ only slightly, and they are identical regarding their features I can get my ipod into disk mode *even* if I brick the firmware. I never knew that before.
20:29:26bluebrotherso the manual for both of them is identical
20:29:47HellDragonbuleeahn: it happened to me 2 days ag
20:29:49bluebrotherDomonoky, hehe. Learned touch-typing a while ago. It definitely paid off the time ;-)
20:30:03HellDragoni messed up my bootloader and it would be stuck at the apple logo
20:30:38bluebrother"a while" already being something like 3 years or so ...
20:30:41bluebrothertime flies
20:31:13buleeahnHellDragon: so even though you were stuck at the ipod logo you could still force it into disk mode?
20:31:32bluebrotherbuleeahn, you can always go into emergency disk mode
20:31:46bluebrotheryou probably need to reset the ipod first though
20:32:24HellDragonbuleeahn: yes, by rebooting it (select+menu) then i hit select+play before i see the apple logo
20:33:24bluebrotherDomonoky, looks nice. I just don't see the html because of the proxy issue :(
20:34:02Domonokybluebrother: there is a possibility to solve this, but i dont know how to test it..
20:34:21bluebrotherI could test it.
20:34:31bluebrotherat least, try if it works for me ;-)
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20:36:05bluebrotheron linux, reading http_proxy would be nice
20:36:52Domonokyhm.. for the normal downloads wxwidgets provides a function to set a proxy, but for the Html window.. hmm.
20:37:16Domonokyis there a standard way to include the proxy into the URL ?
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20:43:56oblibany ideas why this would segfault? queue_send (q=0x8196940, id=2, data=1) at kernel.c:185
20:44:09bluebrotherhmm, hard coding the proxy for the download works fine.
20:45:30Domonokybluebrother: you just put an in_http->setProxy(...) into the DownloadURL function ?
20:46:08***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
20:46:08bluebrotherit segfaulted after installation, but that might be caused by me installing not on a real player. Downloading worked fine at least.
20:46:28Domonokygood to know, i can easly make a menu entry to set this..
20:46:41bluebrotheron windows you could try to use IE5's settings, on linux the environment variable http_proxy
20:47:08bluebrotheror use that to pre-fill the options. Would at least be nice for the average user ;)
20:47:11Domonokyi will first make a menü entry, we can extend this later..
20:48:07bluebrotherbtw, I'd prefer Ctrl-Q as acceleration key for exit −− it's kinda standard on linux
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20:51:35obliblocate kernel.c | grep rockbox
20:51:45oblibwrong promt
20:52:59oblibHow different is kernel.c used in firmware and kernel.c in the simulator?
20:53:22AveI'm getting a lot of "data aborts" with late cvs builds, is this normal?
20:53:29bluebrotherAve, what player?
20:53:40Avenever had this much crashes with .. well svn actually, builds
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20:53:44Aveipod nano
20:53:51bluebrotherhow old is your bootloader?
20:54:02Avevorbis and mp3 playback crash after ~3 seconds
20:54:17Avehmm it boots ok, but its probably very old, like year or so
20:54:28bluebrotherupdate the bootloader
20:54:55AveI'm guessing there is howto on it somewhere in wiki?
20:55:01bluebrotherthat's wayyy to old. There was an incompatible change a while ago, and using an old bootloader will result in data aborts
20:55:11bluebrotherno −− just install the bootloader like explained in the manual
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20:55:27Aveah ic ok thanks a lot
20:56:16bluebrotherthe current bootloaders also check the hold key for booting to appleOS now.
20:59:37AveI think my data cable or connector is broken, it only works sporadically
21:00:08AveI lose the disk mode and get lots of [688203.120000] attempt to access beyond end of device
21:00:14Ave[691181.776000] usb 4-3: device descriptor read/64, error -71
21:01:04ViljarWhy my iPod nano can't play .mpg videos over 12 fps? Wiki says that it should be around 28fps. Any suggestioons?
21:02:58bluebrothercorrect video size?
21:03:42linuxstbViljar: How have you encoded them? i.e. what resolution, bitrate, format etc?
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21:06:39ViljarI encode with WinFF.. music videos, as the come, to 4:3, it should be 176x128 then. The settings are default.
21:07:26ViljarI should use some special settings i think?
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21:09:18Viljarlinuxstb, do you have any ideas?
21:09:21AceNik___guys how do i build a rbutil?
21:09:38DomonokyAceNik___ : you need wxWidgets 2.8
21:10:02AceNik___i cant build it with the cygwin compiler thin?
21:10:12Domonokyyou can..
21:10:35Domonokybut you need wxWidgets 2.8, which you have to comile your self for cygwin
21:11:00AceNik___what do i type , & is there a page for downloading cvs ready rbutil
21:11:02Domonokyfor linux there is a package ( i thin ubuntu package, but it works also in Debian)
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21:11:54DomonokyAceNik___: read the wxWidgets page for how to get wx in Cygwin..
21:12:14AceNik___ya but isnt there a ready utility ?
21:12:25AceNik___for the current cvs update ?
21:12:57Domonokywe use svn.. and there is a binary for rbutil aviable..
21:13:12Domonokynewest version: domonoky/">
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21:14:43AceNik___weill thsi have the latest commit to the rockbox util to it?
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21:14:56linuxstbViljar: Most problems with video are due to framerates I think - for the Nano you should always keep the same framerate as the original source. I'm not sure how to tell winff to do that though.
21:15:00jhMikeSlinuxstb: what did you say happened with the very last core lock thing you tested? the conversation all happened during a logging blackout apparently. iirc something about hanging at the logo?
21:15:37linuxstbjhMikeS: I think the only thing I tried was changing the swpb to swp - and I'm pretty sure that made no difference.
21:16:12DomonokyAceNik___: yes, its build by me, and work on rbutil at moment :-)
21:16:15oblibI'm getting loads of these: warning: pointer targets in initialization differ in signedness
21:16:21bluebrotherDomonoky, what do you think about this small change?
21:16:26oblibIs that my fault, or did something go weird in the svn?
21:16:40Domonokyoblib: in rbutil ?
21:16:42Viljarlinuxstb, well, i can find out the default fps for the source and then tell WinFF to keep it same. Thanks.
21:16:44linuxstboblib: Which gcc version are you using?
21:17:08oblibDomonoky, rbutil? I don't know what that is.
21:17:15Domonokybluebrother: good
21:17:37obliblinuxstb, arm-elf
21:17:47oblibthe target is nano
21:17:58linuxstboblib: Which version of arm-elf-gcc? 4.0.3 is the recommended version.
21:18:05bluebrotherthe wxHtmlWindow issue seems to be rare −− google doesn't help :(
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21:18:27Domonokyjeah, to bad..
21:19:07obliblinuxstb, what's the easiest way to find that?
21:19:35AceNik___Domonoky:check my msg
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21:19:58jhMikeSlinuxstb: yes, I know that. but you're first experience after charging it.
21:19:59obliblinuxstb, in my bin dir I have arm-elf-gcc and arm-elf-gcc-4.0.3
21:20:15DomonokyAceNik___: sorry, i dont see any msg, you need to register ?
21:20:26linuxstbjhMikeS: Yes, it just froze at the logo
21:20:44AceNik___Domonoky:cant you recieve a pvt window?
21:20:50bluebrotherI was wondering if there is a way to set a default proxy −− like with SetDefaultProxy(), but that doesn't seem to have any effect for HtmlWindow :(
21:21:11jhMikeSsansa does that if interrupts are disabled outright, I think I know what's going on
21:21:27linuxstboblib: What does "arm-elf-gcc −−version" display?
21:21:48linuxstbjhMikeS: The general misbehaviour of the PP5020 does seem related to interrupts...
21:21:51oblibarm-elf-gcc (GCC) 4.0.3
21:22:07linuxstboblib: And you're compiling plain SVN Rockbox, or you've patched it?
21:22:22obliblinuxstb, several patches
21:22:31jhMikeSwell, if you get a chance, remove the core sleep in thread.c, and just put a udelay(100) or something and test the last patch
21:22:31Domonokybluebrother: SetDefaultProxy works only on this URL object, unfortuanlyl wxHtmlWindow uses its own URL object internally.. :-/
21:22:38linuxstboblib: Can you tell if the errors are in the patched code?
21:22:53linuxstbjhMikeS: OK, I can try that now.
21:22:55obliblinuxstb, no, they are all over
21:23:28linuxstboblib: Then I can't explain them - no-one else gets them...
21:23:45linuxstbRockbox compiles warning-free.
21:23:56linuxstb(apart from the single #warning...)
21:24:04DomonokyAceNik___: join #rockbox-dom we can use this channel instead of messages.. :-)
21:24:04oblibyeah it did for me until just recently
21:24:35Viljarlinuxstb: is the performance influenced by free space on ipod?
21:25:43linuxstbjhMikeS: Do you mean replace both CPU_CTL = PROC_SLEEP; and COP_CTL = PROC_SLEEP; by a short udelay() in sleep_core() ?
21:26:27linuxstbViljar: It shouldn't make much difference, especially on the Nano.
21:27:37ViljarVideo, with defaul framerate (29.x), DislayFPS on, LimidFPS on and Skip frames on gives me 12.x fps on rockbox
21:28:16jhMikeSlinuxstb: yes, to keep the cores awake
21:28:32linuxstbjhMikeS: Compiling now...
21:29:04linuxstbViljar: That almost sounds as if mpegplayer isn't using the second CPU core on your Nano. Either that, or you've encoded with an extremely high bitrate.
21:29:33jhMikeSit's just the fact that it booted and ran with the version that always fiddled with irq level
21:29:53Viljarlinuxstb: bitrate is ~350
21:30:18linuxstbjhMikeS: It booted... Now to test some things.
21:31:11jhMikeS:D ... well, this ain't a real solution but a call to set the reg correctly
21:32:06linuxstbjhMikeS: Hmm.. I started and stopped mpegplayer a few times, and it worked. But now mpegplayer is failing to respond to any keypresses.
21:32:27linuxstbAnd the FPS is being shown as 0.0
21:32:45linuxstbIt seems to be playing video but no audio.
21:33:03jhMikeSthat's means the irqs got disabled on the main core
21:33:14Viljarlinuxstb: I'm going to try to encode with VLC, what bitrate i should use for video?
21:33:57jhMikeSthat's what happened on sansa till I fixed the irq level setting in the second version, so right on track
21:34:48linuxstbViljar: About 300kbps should be OK I think. Are you also encoding with 44.1KHz audio?
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21:35:50Viljarlinuxstb: Yes.
21:36:31jhMikeSthat means a race condition exists in remembering oldlevel, there's probabaly a tie up with the two cores and cpsr
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21:39:25testdasiis there anyone there?
21:39:39Viljartestdasi: Hey
21:40:01jhMikeSthere's obviously no tie up on 5021 and, something has to change in a register setting or the way things are handles on that
21:41:47testdasiI'll keep it short. I am trying to write a patch to recalibrate the battery readings for Sansa e200 based on the new battery test data. However, I am completely puzzled by "battery_status_update" function (which I believe would return a time value for battery level).
21:42:04testdasiI posted my questions at
21:43:00testdasiIf anyone has some clues, please help me. I basically don't know how the function turns battery percentage level into time. Thank you very much.
21:44:10obliblinuxstb, the warning seems valid. For example, iso_decode() is declared in plugin.h with the following first two parameters: const unsigned char *iso, unsigned char *utf8,. When called in playlist.c, it passes char arrays that are not declared unsigned
21:44:46Viljarlinuxstb: Encoded with VLC with 300kbits/sec bitrate, 176x128, 128kbits/sec, 44.1KHz - result 9.9FPS
21:44:57obliblinuxstb, thus the warning "pointer targets in passing argument 1 differ in signedness" seems to make sense
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21:46:57kkurbjunwho's familiar with adding new settings to rockbox? I need to add a new option under Settings->General Settings->Display for the gigabeat buttonlights, but I'm not sure which files need to be edited or where the changes should be placed.
21:47:40markunkkurbjun: can you come to #gigabeat?
21:48:05markunsorry, you are already there :)
21:48:14kkurbjunno worries
21:48:55cyphatronmy ipod nano can only get to the battery charge screen when i connect it to the computer. and when i try to boot it up without the usb cable i get a battery image that i guess means theres low battery. should i throw it out my window or is it worth bothering fixing this shit? :)
21:49:04linuxstbViljar: Which bootloader are you using to load Rockbox?
21:49:16Viljarlinuxstb: Loader 2.4
21:49:18testdasiI believe there must be a max time constant or variable defined somewhere for each type of battery. Then we just get the battery % multiply by the max time to get the remaining time. However, looking through the code, I can't pinpoint where this max time value is stored. I am also clueless about what does the "runcurrent" and its effect on time.
21:49:49linuxstbViljar: That could be your problem then. Does music play in Rockbox?
21:50:02Viljarlinuxstb: It plays well
21:51:03linuxstbViljar: v2.4 of the ipodlinux loader doesn't start Rockbox correctly for COP (coprocessor) usage. I'm surprised music plays, but it sounds like mpegplayer is only using a single core.
21:51:15jhMikeSlinuxstb: so it was definitely version 3 with the system queue you tested? it's behaving like version 1 did for reasons cited.
21:51:21linuxstbViljar: Try upgrading to either the Rockbox bootloader, or the very latest ipodloader version
21:52:05Viljarlinuxstb: You mean ipodloader 2.5 right?
21:52:21linuxstbjhMikeS: The md5sum of the patch I'm using is d8e101754a81277005bef9010b3959f5
21:52:53linuxstbViljar: If that's the latest, then yes. Anything newer than around January 2007.
21:53:01Viljarlinuxstb: It plays well
21:53:21Viljarlinuxstb: I'll try it then, thanks for help
21:54:57cyphatronwhen at the battery charge screen, is it possible to load rockbox by some command?
21:55:44linuxstboblib: That does sound wrong... But looking at the Makefile (in my ipod build directory), -Wno-pointer-sign is included, which I assume should suppress those warnings.
21:56:01jhMikeSbugger, I did more changes and then overwrote it and removed it to do other work :\
21:56:15linuxstbcyphatron: The battery charge screen is in Apple's bootloader in flash ROM. That's before Rockbox is started.
21:56:41linuxstbcyphatron: Just keep charging, and keep trying to reset (hold MENU+SELECT for up to 30 seconds)
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21:57:00obliblinuxstb, hmm doesn't seem to be in mine. what line is it on in your Makefile?
21:57:02bluebrotherSoap: maybe we should reject much more patches ...
21:57:11Viljarlinuxstb: Will i lose my iPL installation with installing newer loader?
21:57:33cyphatronk, but this battery screen i see when i connect it doesnt look like the apple one
21:57:33Soapone "sync please" is bad enough. Three in a row is pathetic. You'd think some of these patches were oxyegen.
21:57:34cyphatronlinuxstb, thanks... will give it a shot
21:57:59obliblinuxstb, I'm guessing line 58?
21:58:01bluebrotherright ... I think I'm now on the reject patches line
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21:59:05linuxstboblib: Yes.
21:59:21obliblinuxstb, I added it and now I don't get the warnings. Any idea why it would configure without that flag?
21:59:26linuxstbSoap: What's the problem? Just ignore it...
21:59:47Soaptrue enough
22:00:11*jhMikeS wonder if anyone with a 5020 based device is interested in actually tracking down some things and setting it up correctly since the issue is not "seems to be" but definitely is IRQ related.
22:00:27linuxstboblib: Looking at tools/configure, it's only added for gcc > v4.0 - did you perhaps run configure when you had an earlier gcc installed?
22:00:54obliblinuxstb, oh, I think I ran it without the arm gcc in the path. That'd explain it.
22:01:13obliblinuxstb, thanks.
22:01:30oblibNow I just need to figure out why my filelist icons went away
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22:02:41TrueJournalsjhMikeS: Would this person need to know about coding?
22:02:46the_eyehmm am I seeing this correctly, there is only a windows-version of the rockbox firmware patcher for iRiver devices? no Linux-support _at_ _all_?
22:03:00jhMikeSTrueJournals: for sure
22:03:07linuxstbthe_eye: Yes, we all hate Linux...
22:03:10TrueJournalsnot I then :-\
22:03:45Bagdersvn/build master server planned 10 hour down time starts in two hours
22:03:49linuxstbthe_eye: There are three ways to patch on Linux - 1) Use fwpatcher with Wine; 2) Use Rockbox Utility (see the RockboxUtility wiki page); 3) Use the mkboot utility (see the IriverBoot wiki page)
22:03:52jhMikeSwe can all have dual core on pp if this little nasty thing is worked out
22:04:10bluebrotherhmm, do we have fwpatcher integration in rbutil?
22:04:23the_eyelinuxstb: ah thanks .. a link to that from the iriver-related manual would be very cool ...
22:04:26linuxstbbluebrother: I think it's been there for a while now. I've never tried it though.
22:04:35bluebrotherwould also be a chance of creating a command line fwpatcher
22:04:54linuxstbbluebrother: There's no real need - mkboot does the same thing.
22:05:47bluebrotherthe_eye, that need will hopefully be superfluous once rbutil is finished. But yes, it could be mentioned.
22:05:53bluebrotherlinuxstb, wasn't aware of that :)
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22:06:35buleeahnI just installed rockbox onto my ipod after a long stint of being away from rockbox.
22:06:49buleeahnWhat's the best way to make the fonts bigger and more readable? A theme and the fonts release?
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22:07:25linuxstbbuleeahn: Settings -> Browse Themes and choose a theme using a larger font.
22:07:41bluebrotherchoose a theme with a larger font. iCatcher for example
22:08:24buleeahnThe downloadable font *.bmp files just get dropped into the themes directory it looks. This right?
22:08:27bluebrotherbuleeahn, have you updated your bootloader as well? If not you might experience data aborts.
22:08:47bluebrotherfont bmp? Fonts have the extension fnt
22:08:51linuxstbjhMikeS: If you can point me in the right direction (I'm completely unfamiliar with the Rockbox kernel), then I'll try and debug things.
22:08:53the_eyelinuxstb: hmm and where would I find this "tools"-directory the wiki speaketh of?
22:09:03linuxstbthe_eye: In the Rockbox source code.
22:09:25linuxstbthe_eye: Which you can get via SVN (see UsingSVN) or from the Current Builds download page.
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22:10:33the_eyelinuxstb: 'ta muchly
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22:13:51buleeahnYes, I updated the bootloader. It seems to be working fine.
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22:14:53jhMikeSlinuxstb: right now I'm just searching for where this stuff is setup
22:17:04the_eyelinuxstb: and now how do I just build the tools to run on my computer and not the bootloader and everything? that (expectedly) breaks because I don't have a compiler for the target-platform ..
22:17:55linuxstbthe_eye: Yes, you just need to compile the tools - it's not recommended to compile your own bootloader anyway, even if you could. (I didn't)
22:18:24buleeahnbluebrother: When I was talking about bmp files I meant to say icons, not fonts, my bad.
22:18:36buleeahnBut the icons just get dropped in the icons directory, plain and simple?
22:18:50bluebrotherah. yes, that's how it's supposed to work ;-)
22:18:59the_eyelinuxstb: exactly .. but how do I do that? I can't seem to find the correct option in that configure-dialogue ..
22:19:01bluebrotheryou also need a cfg file to load the icons
22:19:41buleeahnShesh, I found the directions to load the themes.
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22:20:06bluebrotherthe_eye, cd tools && make mkboot scramble should do it
22:20:24the_eyeah .. without the whole configure thingamajig
22:21:12the_eye_that_ worked
22:21:18jhMikeSI find it interesting that CPU_INT_EN is just = in two places and not |=
22:21:45Viljarlinuxstb: Thank you SOO much!! It works well now. 24fps :) THANKS!
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22:22:54jhMikeSand not with the same value hrm
22:23:56linuxstbjhMikeS: That does seem odd...
22:24:21jhMikeSthis only happens in button-clickwheel.c
22:24:40jhMikeSmy guess it's wrong, but that's a guess
22:24:44Domonokybluebrother: you can now enter a proxy in rbutil in svn :-)
22:24:54bluebrothergreat :D
22:26:57linuxstbDomonoky: Stop changing rbutil - you don't give me chance to build any binaries... :)
22:27:24*Bagder waits for people to ask for weird auth support for the proxíes ;-)
22:27:49Bagderweird == ntlm
22:28:09*Domonoky waits for people with proxy to claim the html manual view is not working.. :-)
22:28:35*bluebrother notices Domonoky added the small not found info to the html view
22:28:45oblibMy icons stopped working (the pictures next to menu options). What could I have done to make them go away? The setting is currently on as far as I can tell.
22:28:56Domonokyyes, stolen form bluebrother :-)
22:29:53bluebrotherhmm. It doesn't want to play nicely with my mini :o
22:29:55jhMikeSwell, the button init comes after so maybe CPU_INT_EN |= 0x40000000 would be right
22:30:05linuxstbjhMikeS: Looking at the code, I would expect the timer1 interrupt to be disabled by the clickwheel code. But that obviously isn't happening...
22:30:34oblibI should specify that I'm building my own code, and the simulation does have icons still
22:30:45bluebrotherhmm. "Something seriously odd has happened" :(
22:30:55Domonokybluebrother: stop mentioning any problems with rbutil, linuxstb doesnt like new versions :-)
22:31:07linuxstbDomonoky: It's OK, I've just given up building binaries...
22:31:12bluebrothersorry for that
22:31:19bluebrotherit's just ... *g*
22:31:33Domonokyit really say this message ?
22:31:41jhMikeSguess: it's not happening because the audio thread is constantly timing out and changing the register
22:31:51jhMikeScpsr, that is
22:32:22linuxstbjhMikeS: So I should try changing them to |= and re-enable the sleep?
22:32:24jhMikeSis my patch, it ceases that
22:32:29jhMikeSwhy not?
22:32:34linuxstbjhMikeS: Indeed...
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22:34:44bluebrotheryes, it really says this message.
22:35:00bluebrothertheme preview doesn't seem to know about the proxy
22:36:29the_eyelinuxstb: hmm what if the .hex I made via mkboot doesn't match the checksums given on the wiki-page?
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22:37:49oboBagder: will the IP of the build server change?
22:37:55bluebrotherthe_eye, I believe you need to run unscramble on that hex file first
22:38:10bluebrotherand re-scramble it afterwards.
22:38:19Bagderobo: nope, just its physical location
22:38:42obookay, thanks
22:38:45bluebrotherhaven't tried myself, though
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22:39:57Domonokybluebrother: for the strange message, somehow you did manage to not set a build type.. strange
22:40:48linuxstbjhMikeS: It booted and seems happy...
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22:41:46the_eyebluebrother: false alarm .. tried it again and now the checksum is correct
22:42:00Domonokybluebrother: and the theme window should also use the proxy, it uses the same download function, but perhaps wx has problems with this.. ( reguesting a php file)
22:42:30bluebrotherpossibly −− I was just digging through the code
22:42:50jhMikeSlinuxstb: hehe...I'm psyched
22:43:53Domonokymini1g and mini2g also share the manual ?
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22:44:15linuxstbjhMikeS: Me too... I don't understand what you were saying about the audio thread timing out though and how that could affect the PP interrupt registers.
22:45:13linuxstbDomonoky: Yes - just to annoy you.
22:45:16jhMikeSbacause it enters queue_wait_w_tmo which enables/disables interrupts
22:45:38jhMikeSit does this all the's never put in plain old queue_wait
22:46:10***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
22:46:28Domonokyanother hack for rbutil.. there are so many different names for the same thing.. its annoying.. :-)
22:47:04jhMikeSmy patch puts in a system queue which makes normal queues no longer have to deal with locking out interrupts
22:48:00bluebrotherlinuxstb, I get a "implicit declaration of lseek64" warning when building sansapatcher
22:48:04linuxstbjhMikeS: OK. I'll test this build for a while and see how it goes...
22:48:10bluebrotherthis change seems to fix it:
22:48:25jhMikeSthis makes the scheduler never get touched by them, which resolves the double entry problem
22:48:55bluebrotherlooks like _LARGEFILE64_SOURCE needs to be defined before the includes
22:49:02linuxstbbluebrother: I thought that flag set in the Makefile?
22:49:11jhMikeSlinuxstb: so, you tried running mpegplayer already?
22:49:19linuxstbjhMikeS: Yes, I couldn't crash it...
22:49:29bluebrotherhmm. Right, but why do I get this warning?
22:49:33jhMikeSso we got whipped it
22:49:52jhMikeSwe whipped it even :P
22:49:59bluebrotherah −− seems like this is missing in the rbutil Makefile
22:50:59linuxstbjhMikeS: Let's hope so.
22:51:10bluebrotherok, that was it. Thanks.
22:51:25jhMikeSmy experiece was if there's even one minor error, mpegplayer doesn't last long
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22:57:55jhMikeSlinuxstb: don't forget to mash a lot of buttons when playing videos :) that'll blast the system queue with lots of traffic
23:00:15jhMikeSIt looks like CPU_INT_EN is just assigned in several spots
23:01:34linuxstbI found it in kernel.c and button-clickwheel.c
23:01:47linuxstbAh, and timer.c...
23:01:51jhMikeSbutton-mini1g.c too
23:02:06jhMikeStimer.c is ok, since that's the kernel init
23:02:29linuxstbIsn't it the user timer init - so it can be called at any time?
23:03:28jhMikeSno, that's just start the tick tasks at startup
23:04:01jhMikeSthey probabaly should all be |= x and &= ~x since it starts out masked anyway
23:05:15jhMikeSpcm-pp.c ... bah, no wonder the sansa problem changes ...
23:05:24linuxstbjhMikeS: Are you sure? It's enabling TIMER2, which I thought was the user timer on PP. tick_start() in kernel.c uses TIMER1
23:05:42jhMikeSTIMER2 is the user timer
23:06:38linuxstbYes, so that needs |= ?
23:07:04jhMikeSkernel_init calls tick_start
23:07:19jhMikeSbut I think that's the first setting since the kernel is where it first happens
23:07:52jhMikeS|= should be ok anyway since I think it's 0 from the bootloader
23:08:17*jhMikeS want's to test sansa audio with all this cleared up
23:08:23linuxstbYes, but you said that "timer.c is ok because that's the kernel init" ?
23:09:07jhMikeSoh, no...I meant kernel.c :P
23:09:16linuxstbOK, we agree then :)
23:10:09jhMikeSotherwise, this is all not right and no wonder these things are having trouble
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23:13:10MikeFis anyone
23:13:47BagderMikeF: your irc client probably showed you about 140 nicks
23:13:59MikeFi mean
23:14:17MikeFrofl...i cant spell right now
23:14:31MikeFok is anyone here active who can answer a question i haave about rockbox
23:14:40Bagderjust ask
23:14:50MikeFwell i have a sansa e-260
23:14:51Bagderand you'll find out
23:14:54MikeFand im using rockbox
23:14:57linuxstbMikeF: And please write more than one word on a line....
23:15:03jhMikeSyou should wear a condom when being active :)
23:15:21MikeFand that player has a fm radio, and a recorder, both which i cant use in rockbox.
23:15:37MikeFand by active, i mean around, sitting at there compyter, not afk
23:16:04linuxstbMikeF: Is your question "When will Rockbox support radio and recording on the Sansa?" ?
23:16:09jhMikeSjust kidding around...haha?
23:16:11MikeFor does it
23:16:42MikeFyes when will it, or does it, if it does, what am i doing rong?
23:16:47linuxstbMikeF: It doesn't yet, and will happen when somebody does it. Everyone works on Rockbox as a hobby in their spare time.
23:18:03preglowhave we got any docs on the radio part?
23:18:21MikeFwhat kind of docs
23:18:28preglowprogramming specifications
23:18:34MikeFno I don't
23:18:37MikeFI don't program
23:18:42MikeFnot in rockbox anyway
23:18:44preglowthat mrh...
23:19:13preglowthat looks fairly complete to me...
23:19:19preglowso, someone just get me a sansa!
23:19:43BagderI sent one to dan_a as he was about to poke on the fm stuff
23:19:51linuxstbpreglow: One portalplayer device isn't enough for you?
23:19:59preglowlinuxstb: i suddenly wanted one with radio :P
23:20:14preglowalso, i'm a masochist
23:20:27MikeFwell I hope it gets added soon, since I'm blind and i use the .voice files
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23:20:40MikeFso thats the only way to access the radio at all cant use the orriginal firmware
23:20:52MikeFand recording
23:20:59preglowwell, if dan_a said he'd poke on it, i expect something will come of it
23:21:04preglowhaven't seen him much lately, though
23:21:12Bagderapparently he's been ill
23:21:17preglowoh, is that so
23:21:33MikeFso should I just download the new daily build every once in a while?
23:21:46preglowMikeF: not the worst of ideas anyway
23:21:51preglowperhaps follow the commit logs
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23:22:13linuxstbMikeF: This page is also useful -
23:22:23SaLoMoNthe eurpoean sansa has no radio support at all?
23:22:40preglowthat's lousy
23:22:48Bagderyou need a US model sansa for radio
23:22:48linuxstbI think it's cheaper to import from the US anyway.
23:23:07preglowhrmr, i have a sudden craving for a new target
23:23:09Bagderor an R model... but then rockbox doesn't run on the R
23:23:09SaLoMoNi have the european one...
23:23:16preglowbut NOT buying a gigabeat sounds kind of silly :P
23:23:33Bagderpreglow: gigabeat has no radio! ;-)
23:23:34MikeFhave the US one
23:23:35linuxstbpreglow: You could join markun in the hunt for a nice blackfin DAP...
23:23:51preglowi'd rather have a sharc based dap
23:23:52markunI'm starting to think they don't exist..
23:23:55preglowbut i suspect those don't exist
23:23:57SaLoMoNrockbox is stable for sansa now?^^
23:24:02SaLoMoNi should upgrade
23:24:06MikeFno release version i dont think
23:24:09preglowstable and stable...
23:24:10markunpreglow: sharc is even nicer?
23:24:17MikeFdaily build works fine for me
23:24:20SaLoMoNah okay
23:24:26preglowmarkun: it's more like a traditional dsp platform
23:24:30SaLoMoNi thought because its on the mainpage
23:24:32preglowmarkun: as a matter of fact, it's a pure dsp, heh
23:24:34*jhMikeS thinks it should be more so in a few minutes
23:24:40preglowmarkun: does both fixed point and floating point
23:25:00preglowbut don't expect to find it in a dap
23:25:05BagderSaLoMoN: sansa is "supported" in the way that it runs Rockbox and we provide packages for it, binaries and manuals etc
23:25:20Bagderin the same way we do for ~20 other players
23:25:54markunpreglow: so blackfin would be the next best thing? :)
23:25:59preglowlinuxstb: it'd have to be pretty cheap to be cheaper to import from the us, at least from here. an import fee of around 20$ plus 25% of the retail price will be added :/
23:26:11SaLoMoNbut f.e. usb still doenst work^^
23:26:24markunpreglow: or do you really want to use floating point for a change?
23:26:30preglowmarkun: sweet lord, yes
23:26:35BagderSaLoMoN: there are several things that still don't work, yes
23:26:44markunthe i.mx31 in the zune and Gigabeat S can do floating point vector operations
23:26:46SaLoMoNbut the most important thing works
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23:26:54SaLoMoNdo videos work?
23:26:58preglowmarkun: which is why i'm hoping they'll be cracked soon
23:27:43markunI don't know.. buying a Zune just doesn't feel right to me
23:27:59linuxstbpreglow: I looked at the E280 a couple of months ago, and it was a lot cheaper in the US. I'm not sure what the current status it.
23:28:19SaLoMoNI payed 90€ for my sansa e250..
23:28:38SaLoMoNlast december
23:28:43Bagderthe e280 is available for like less than 160USD in the US
23:28:52preglowand with the current dollar rate
23:29:29preglowbah, i can't justify even that amount for something i've already practically got in a nano, though
23:30:04linuxstbpreglow: More storage, FM radio.... :)
23:30:20Bagderand a glowing wheel!
23:30:21linuxstbA wheel with lights on...
23:30:23preglowit does sd cards too, yes?
23:30:33preglowso it is kind of nifty
23:31:05markunif you want a player with an sdslot, I know an evil chinese blackfin powered dap :)
23:31:52markunwell, they mix gpl, with closed source stuff (wmv code) and things with other licenses (mame I think and snes9x)
23:31:56preglowhow nice
23:32:10markunlook for Ainol V1000
23:33:19linuxstbmarkun: It's cheap though - only 50UKP
23:33:33preglowhow's battery time on sansas compared to retailso?
23:33:35linuxstb(including shipping from Hong Kong)
23:33:42markunyes, that's true
23:33:54markunbut only 1GB internal
23:34:04markunmaybe I'll buy one after all
23:34:32linuxstbAh yes, 1GB + a 1GB SD card.
23:35:02markunis the SD card included?
23:35:11linuxstbIt seems to be -
23:35:19Bagderfull size SD?
23:35:43Bagderah no micro
23:36:01preglowsometimes it's bloody hard to find a page in the wiki
23:36:33Bagder"We cannot send item to Italy. We do not accept buyers from Italy." ;-)
23:36:53linuxstbBagder: I noticed that - I wonder what Italy did to upset them...
23:37:03Bagderyeah, the whole world except for italy...
23:37:29jhMikeSlinuxstb: system-pp502x.c, line 166 .. the comment :)
23:38:05preglowand no one has come up with any theories as to why portalplayer sucks so much power while i haven't been paying attention? :/
23:38:11preglowi'd really, really like to fix that issue now
23:38:33jhMikeSmaybe cause interrupts were screwed up?
23:38:42Bagderpreglow: I have high hopes on Toni's emulator
23:38:57preglowBagder: it's already aided me a couple of times
23:39:17jhMikeSwell, I'm fixing all the "CPU_INT_STAT =" that should be "CPU_INT_STAT |="
23:39:40jhMikeSCPU_IN_EN rather...whatever
23:40:00preglowi doubt that alone can suck several hours of juice out of it
23:40:26perldivercould anyone please explain what KBD_CURSOR_KEYS and KBD_MODES are?
23:40:30Bagder seems to be a good source for weird cheapo chinese dap clones
23:40:36jhMikeSI'm suprised this stuff kept running at all frankly
23:41:18jhMikeSperldiver: KBD_CURSOR_KEYS uses buttons to move the cursor on the input line. KBD_MODES is the ability to select the edit line.
23:41:45perldiverbut what was the problem with them on gigabeat?
23:42:07jhMikeSOnly KBD_MORSE_INPUT was enabled
23:42:37jhMikeSNot defining KBD_MODE makes KBD_CURSOR_KEYS the default, but I like having the line edit too
23:42:49jhMikeSDefining both lets you have both ways
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23:43:33perldiverbut the ability of moving the cursor and editing the line were present before
23:44:40jhMikeSno, it wasn't. I couldn't select the line itself before since the was no KBD_MODES defined
23:44:47ender`Bagder: are you in need of any more build servers?
23:44:56Bagderthe more the merrier!
23:44:58jhMikeSdefining KBD_MODE and not KBD_CURSOR_KEYS only enables line edit by selection
23:45:05perldiverjhMikeS aha
23:45:08Bagderender`: if you have a fast one, certainly
23:45:16ender`Core2 Duo E4400
23:45:28Bagderthat's fast enough!
23:45:45perldiverjhMikeS thanks, i got it now
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23:46:23Bagderender`: as you might've noticed the build server moves in ... 15 minutes, so if you just get things sorted in your end we can have it added tomorrow or so
23:46:50ender`i think i have everything ready
23:47:06Bagderdo you have the public key for rbclient?
23:47:17ender`not yet
23:47:32BagderI'll PM it to you
23:47:38ender`oh, does it matter that my ssh is running on a non-standard port?
23:48:26Bagdernope, the script can deal with that fine
23:49:13ender`where do i get the script?
23:49:39Bagderhang on
23:50:00markunBagder: he also sells the Meizu 8GB player, not bad
23:50:19Bagderyeah, he seemed to have loads
23:50:24ender`oh, and what IPs can i expect the connections from (or are they dynamic)?
23:50:43Bagderender`: they only come from
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23:51:10Bagderthis is the script =>
23:51:32Bagderput it in rbclient's home dir with the name with +x flag for rbclient
23:51:58Bagderyou might need/want to edit the path and make -j option
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23:53:02jhMikeSit would seem the evaluation of the operation of the interrupt bits isn't quite right :\
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23:55:21ender`PATH is needed just for the compilers? (gentoo puts them all in /usr/bin)
23:55:53ender`ok, no need to modify the path then
23:56:06Bagdergentoo... then you don't have the sh compiler I take it?
23:56:37preglowjhMikeS: how?
23:56:47ender`i have, why?
23:57:00ender`(i added the patches from the wiki)
23:57:12Bagderah, ok, then I'm fine
23:57:21ender`sh-elf-gcc (GCC) 4.0.4 (Gentoo 4.0.4, pie-8.7.8, rockbox patch #1)
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23:58:57jhMikeSpreglow: the |= stuff keeps the interrupts enabled and things moving along, but CPU_INT_CLR is being used as a way to stop interrupts but I'm guessing it just clears the stat and doesn't remask it

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