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#rockbox log for 2007-05-06

00:00:09ender`ok, how do i test it?
00:00:37CtcpIgnored 4 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
00:00:37*bluebrother wonders how the sansa emulator got done
00:01:31Bagderender`: it's not very easily done, the script gets run by the buildmaster with a somewhat complicated command line:
00:01:54Bagderender`: ssh -i privkey $ssh_port $sshopts $server "./ $date $buildline
00:02:30jhMikeSI'm just seeing a lot of assignment to those registers but not to particular bits, just outright overwriting the whole other hw does this
00:03:13Bagderender`: where buildline is something like "build-ondiosp:Ondio SP - Normal:ajbrec.ajz:ondiosp\\n2\\n\\n"
00:05:06***Alert Mode OFF
00:09:52preglowjhMikeS: it wouldn't surprise me if this did
00:10:04preglowjhMikeS: if not, there'd be no way to make those regs atomic without the use of mutexes
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00:11:30preglowand that wouldn't really be practical either
00:11:31jhMikeSthey don't work like that...that's clear as glass since the core patch now operates on pp5020
00:11:46preglowyou're absolutely certain?
00:11:53preglowi'm fairly sure that's how all the ipl code did things
00:12:06jhMikeSI don't care what IPL does :\
00:12:36jhMikeSit went from not booting to MPEG player running crash free
00:12:46jhMikeSjust one |=
00:13:00ender`oops, now that wasn't quite expected
00:13:23preglowjhMikeS: sure, you don't care what it does, that was just an attempt at justifying them in the first place
00:13:26preglowmost of them are probably mine
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00:13:56preglowand it does make sense for the regs to behave like that since arm can do no atomic memory ops
00:14:01jhMikeShehe, I don't mean to sound like an ass or anything
00:14:02preglowapart from swp, which helps nothing here
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00:14:26preglowyou didn't come across doing so either, just saying
00:14:37jhMikeSbut, I mean, it's clear IPL doesn't have it all right
00:14:42preglowno shit
00:15:13jhMikeSwhat do you mean "didn't come accross..." ??
00:15:39preglowjust saying you didn't sound like an ass, heh
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00:15:48jhMikeSoh, ok... :)
00:16:50preglowhow then to do atomic interrupt masking?
00:16:56jhMikeSmy basic evaluation is that whatever IPL does for themselves has to be verified and evaluation for how we do stuff
00:17:13preglowsure, it just puzzles me we've never noticed until now
00:17:15jhMikeSbetween cores or just on core
00:17:45jhMikeSto mask interrupts on core, disable interrupts with set_irq_level
00:18:06jhMikeSthat's what I set up on coldfire and gigabeat
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00:18:50ender`hm, is the svn down?
00:18:52jhMikeSintercore should be avoided
00:19:03jhMikeSor as you say mutexed
00:19:25linuxstbender`: Yes, the server is being physically relocated.
00:20:04ender`could this have caused to delete everything? :)
00:21:20linuxstbjhMikeS: The behaviour of the CPU_INT_EN register would seem to be the difference between PP5020 and PP5021/22 though. Although it surprises me that IPL does it the PP5021 way, as the code would have been based on the PP5020
00:21:39ender`ouch, no, i'm an idiot
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00:23:11jhMikeSI suggest a quick set and readout to check, it affects sansa for sure
00:23:24webguest12During server maintenance, is SVN mirrored anywhere else, or are we out of luck for source-code checkout until it's back up?
00:26:12jhMikeSI mean I'm using no patch with just |= instead and most audio glitching is gone all of asudden. Somethings rotten with it all.
00:27:40*preglow wonders when the gsoc coding officially starts
00:28:07markunend of may I thought
00:28:10jhMikeSI think lcd dma has to be stopped in some places or the lcd lines put back right
00:29:24jhMikeSthe Renesas chip would only do that if it's lines for writing a command were altered
00:29:43jhMikeSThe whiteout, the random scrolling, etc.
00:30:28bluebrotherwebguest12, I don't think there is a mirror
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00:32:33HellDragonis coding new plugins for rockbox easy ?
00:32:40HellDragonI used to code things for ipodlinux but rockbox looks cool too
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00:33:11webguest12Thanks, bluebrother.
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00:34:00preglowHellDragon: well, it's not hard
00:34:02bluebrotherHellDragon, if you are familiar with coding I don't think it's too hard
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00:37:19HellDragoni heard you need to recompile rockbox to add a new plugin ?
00:37:29preglownot so
00:37:48bluebrotheryou need to compile the plugin against the current plugin api
00:38:12bluebrotherbut you don't need to recompile Rockbox on every plugin change
00:39:17markunHellDragon: what would you like to code?
00:39:33HellDragoni dont know
00:39:35HellDragonrandom things
00:39:35linuxstbHellDragon: There is no separate "SDK" for plugins - you need to add your plugin to the Rockbox source and compile rockbox.
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00:51:11HellDragoni see
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00:53:46ender`ok, i'm off to bed, be back tomorrow around 11
00:54:21testdasiI am trying to make the button wheel flash with beat (low pitch sound). I think I know how to make it turn on/off but don't know where exactly I should put the code and which variable corresponds to the low-pitch sound. I guess it should be put in dsp.c but clueless otherwise. Any help is greatly appreciated.
00:54:35 Quit ender` (" A psychiatrist is a fellow who asks you a lot of expensive questions your wife asks for nothing.")
00:54:50testdasifor Sansa e200, btw
00:55:01preglowtestdasi: if you're going to do any kind of freqency specific analysis, you need to do your own frequency analysis
00:55:08preglowrockbox hasn't got a clue what pitch a signal has
00:56:26SoapI had, as a child, the "Psychedelic Light Controller" - wired your speakers though it, and plugged your lamp through it, and your lamp would flash to the beat.
00:56:33preglowone simple way of achieving it would be to low pass filter the signal, then apply an envelope follower on the result and use that to control the light
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00:56:46preglowand unless you already know dsp, i'm probably spouting gibberish at you right now
00:57:07Domonokyand a good place would be a plugin, i think :-)
00:57:22jhMikeSwhy not use pcm peaks to flash the light?
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00:57:52preglowjhMikeS: because they don't always correspond to the beat
00:57:54testdasiI am planning to do that actually but I don't know where to put the code and what variable I should use to test it out. Is it the "samples" variable in "dsp_process"?
00:57:57preglowseldom, as a matter of fact
00:58:12preglowtestdasi: dsp_process would be the place for it for sure
00:58:14jhMikeSok, we want just the beat
00:58:52preglow"proper" beat tracking is hard as hell to achieve, so the lowpass and envelope follower is probably easiest
00:58:54jhMikeSA simple moving average filter which is a type of IIR filter could do, or you can adjust things a little from that
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00:59:18webguest72Who do I direct questions to in here? Just anyone?
00:59:38linuxstbwebguest72: Yes, just ask and someone will probably reply.
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01:00:26webguest72cool, thanks. I just started using linux about a week ago, and I'm going to put rockbox on my ipod. Will the ipod still work with my ihome after I put rockbox on it?
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01:01:12linuxstbI've no idea what ihome is, but you can always boot the Apple firmware if it doesn't work.
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01:02:06linuxstbBut Rockbox generally doesn't work with proprietory ipod accessories.
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01:02:06testdasiwhich variable? I was thinking "samples" but now think it should be "count"
01:02:06webguest72hmm...alright, thanks.
01:02:07testdasisamples highest value is 128 so it can't be it
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01:03:18preglowwhat're you looking for?
01:03:23preglowsample count? sample array?
01:04:06preglowin dsp_process, samples is samples to process per block and "tmp" is a pointer to the samples themselves
01:04:26preglowthat is, a pointer to an array of two pointers that point to one channel each
01:05:39Soaplinuxstb: recall we now have the (growing) IpodAccessories wiki page.
01:07:06linuxstbSoap: What does the "Alert!" symbol mean? That it doesn't work?
01:07:59Soapyea, is there a better wiki symbol for no?
01:08:11testdasiso the pointer points to the actual data that will be output into sound?
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01:09:41Hilikushey guys, is there a way to change colors and fonts with the current build or i have to patch it?
01:10:11linuxstbSoap: I don't know. How about the letters N and o ? ;)
01:10:11Hilikusfor the wps that is
01:10:30scorcheHilikus: there is
01:10:43*preglow notices the svn server is gone
01:10:49Hilikusits not %e is it? cause the parser complains about that tag
01:10:59linuxstbSoap: But there seems to be a reassuring amount of green on that page - the situation doesn't seem that bad...
01:11:26preglowhrm, wasn't the only thing requiring an svn server "svn commit"? :>
01:11:28Soapbetter than I feared.
01:11:39scorchepreglow: migration time i suppose?
01:11:59preglowi'm trying to find out who stuffed a comment in dsp.c
01:12:40SoapI scraped all reports I could find out of the forums, and PMd the posters for as many details as they could give.
01:12:40Hilikus%e|10|32|146|1|FFFFFF|%al%s%?Cl <%e|64|35|94|4|FFFFFF|%?ia <%ia|%fn>|%?ia <%ia|%fn>>
01:12:40preglowbut svn blame hangs, so i assume it needs a server
01:12:41linuxstbpreglow: I think only the last checked-out versions are stored locally, so anything that needs the full history requires the server.
01:13:48scorcheSoap: well, we will find out about the ihome at devcon-w....(there in one in the room)
01:13:48scorcheand then we can add our own addition ;)
01:13:48linuxstbscorche: Don't you mean "and then we can make it work" ? :)
01:13:48SoapI'm willing to bet charging and audio-out will work, but remote won't.
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01:14:00scorchelinuxstb: you are free to come as well =P
01:14:00preglowjhMikeS: did you add the comment in dsp_process() about relevant channels being run through the same eq?
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01:14:00scorcheand help us@!
01:14:00*linuxstb would like a trip to vegas...
01:14:06jhMikeSpreglow: ummm....I think you added one
01:14:07scorcheSoap: i am interested to see what it does on wakeup
01:14:22scorchelinuxstb: tis a good excuse =)
01:15:01jhMikeSpreglow: in dsp_process?
01:15:31preglowjhMikeS: it's appended to what i added, i can't remember writing the last part
01:15:36preglowdsp_process, yes
01:15:49preglowlast part of the todo:
01:16:22jhMikeSah, I think so
01:16:33jhMikeSyes, :)
01:17:22preglowwhat do you mean by it, exactly? summing channels before eq, or just ignoring the filter history?
01:17:26preglowi assume the first, just wanna make sure :)
01:18:12jhMikeSyes, #1
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01:20:47preglowi should get around to adding proper bandwidth controls to the eq
01:20:47preglowjust to be done with it
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01:21:17jhMikeSto adjust the filter band frequency range?
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01:22:32Hilikusso no idea how to make %e work? a theme i downloaded uses it but i dont know what it is
01:22:59preglowjhMikeS: yeah, it's a bit more intuitive than "q"
01:23:54Hilikusit seems to be a really old patch
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01:23:54preglowjhMikeS: pretty much just replacing q with "bandwidth in octaves", so if you choose a value of one, the higher freq band edge will be twice the amount of the lower
01:23:55preglowfor a value of two, it'll be four times the amount of the lower, etc
01:24:54jhMikeSmore intuitive at that, so logarithmically centered about the peaking frequency?
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01:25:13preglowpretty much
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01:25:48preglowi'll probably just make it selectable
01:26:07preglowthe Q i use in the current eq doesn't really correspond to the classic Q definition anyway
01:26:15linuxstbHilikus: This patch implements %e, but I think it's out of sync with current Rockbox -
01:26:27jhMikeSI'm not even sure what the classic definition is anyway right now
01:26:29preglowwhich is freq/bandwidth
01:26:57preglowthe defintion of Q used in the eq is gain*freq/bandwidth
01:26:58jhMikeSlinuxstb: I think you may be right about that dichotomy in the irq registers...testing now
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01:28:14Hilikuslinuxstb: thats the one i found, im trying to sync it manually... thanks man
01:28:21jhMikeSfreq/bandwidth should be a constant for a filter to sound like it has a contant effect, correct?
01:28:37preglowhmm, might be
01:29:02ThaigerI've tried loading music to my ipod on linux by mounting the ipod then making a directory on the root and putting music in it, but then it shows up in files and not the database. If I put it in the Music folder it doesn't show up at all. What am I doing wrong?
01:29:17preglowseveral people speak well of constant-q filters
01:29:27preglowthe good old moog filter is one, at that
01:29:29linuxstbThaiger: Have you initialised/updated the database?
01:29:45linuxstbThaiger: The manual describes the database and how to make it auto-update.
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01:31:51Thaigerlinuxstb: Yes, I set it to autoupdate and I've done a manual update
01:32:13linuxstbThaiger: Is it tagged properly?
01:32:15markunThaiger: do you have dircache on?
01:32:38cosmiqueis there an ETA when the dowload will work again?
01:33:29linuxstbcosmique: works fine. The SVN/build server and "current builds" should be back in about 8-9 hours.
01:34:17Thaigerlinuxstb: I'm fairly sure
01:34:25linuxstbjhMikeS: On my PP5020, reading CPU_INT_EN gives 0, both before and immediately after setting it to a value. I'm just trying my ipod video (PP5021) now.
01:34:30Thaigermarkun: dircache?
01:34:35jhMikeSlinuxstb: so it's official now that yes, we have atomic irq masks on some targets and not others.
01:34:35cosmiquei mean:
01:34:44jhMikeSme too, what about 5020?
01:35:14jhMikeSI think I'll just introduce some macros or inlines to do this then
01:35:17linuxstbjhMikeS: That was the PP5020....
01:35:54scorchelinuxstb: afaik, the svn and download server are the same
01:36:02scorcheso, yes download is down
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01:36:21linuxstbAh, so they are. For some reason I thought they were different.
01:36:28jhMikeSwoops, misread
01:36:28jhMikeSso it's really even stranger that this cures it...
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01:38:27linuxstbjhMikeS: Yes, it's very strange. Maybe it depends what is written to it - I just did CPU_INT_EN = TIMER1_MASK.
01:39:26jhMikeSI did that too...I'll just open it wide up
01:40:11jhMikeSnot sure what to do to not have it blow up when I do though
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01:40:49linuxstbWriting 0xffffffff to it isn't a good idea...
01:41:45*linuxstb is sharp tonight
01:42:01markunThaiger: you need it on to have auto-update in tagcache working I think
01:42:36jhMikeSYeah, it's be a pain to trap all those, but I think the irq function will just return and do nothing
01:45:52jhMikeSI guess the only thing to remove is the TIMER2 handler
01:47:24Thaigermarkun: Hm... OK, I'll look through the settings for tagcache then, thanks
01:47:41linuxstbjhMikeS: OK, now I'm very confused - I've changed those |= back to = and it's working...
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01:48:50linuxstbjhMikeS: Ignore me... Something odd has happened to my tree....
01:48:52jhMikeSalright, you put the core sleep back?
01:49:06jhMikeSwhat's going on? :P
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01:49:26jhMikeSif it's working, find out what
01:51:31jhMikeSyou, know, doing the read first before the write could have internal effects
01:52:45preglowprepare to enter the scary door
01:53:13jhMikeSit's scary if the read atomically locks the register?
01:53:23markunThaiger: dircache is not a part of the tagcache settings :)
01:53:30markun(now called database btw)
01:53:46preglowjhMikeS: very
01:56:23jhMikeSwell, it behaves as if the read really happened so that |= functions as expected an a simple asignment just sets it.
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01:59:15Thaigermarkun: tagcache = database?
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02:04:55linuxstbjhMikeS: No, now it doesn't work with either = or |=, or with the CPU/COP sleep replaced by a udelay. I have a horrible feeling that all my tests were without your patch applied....
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02:08:56jhMikeSall my hopes up and now're serious?
02:11:53jhMikeSbut you tried the udelay first and had a stop on the CPU but not the COP, then change to |=, so what's up with that?
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02:15:24linuxstbjhMikeS: I think what must have happened was that I still had a build including your patch installed on my ipod, but must have reverted the patch in my source tree at some point. So my first compile today was with the udelay change, but with SVN, and not your patch... I've been testing the changes now, and none of them make your patch work...
02:16:48jhMikeSso we're back to having things make absolutely no sense at all then :(
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02:21:07jhMikeSlinuxstb: I want to make sure now, patch v2 _was_ actually applied when it ran fine outside mpegplayer thought, right?
02:22:06linuxstbI can test again.
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02:28:36jhMikeSsure, thanks...the basic difference is queues not messing with some IRQ thing would still be a candidate
02:29:35jhMikeSmake sure it's not the broken v1 :)
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02:39:12linuxstbjhMikeS: Yes, v2 works, but mpegplayer freezes after about 5 seconds. Which I think is what I reported before.
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02:44:13jhMikeSthough nuts, I suppose I'll keep my weird outlandish theories to myself and just work in obscurity ... better to fail miserably when noone knows about it :P down right now?
02:45:22element_GI mean
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02:46:55linuxstbjhMikeS: Sorry I wasted both of our time...
02:47:23linuxstbelement_G: Yes, it's due to be back in about 7 hours
02:48:44element_GIs there anyone who can give me a link to the new fonts, nimbus 10, 11 and 13? I'm not sure the exact sizes, but I remember that there was an SVN commits with some new fonts.
02:50:16jhMikeSeh...not quite...the constant calling of set_irq_level letting it run is a scary door
02:51:27linuxstbelement_G: - that should be the latest versions of all the nimbus fonts.
02:51:44linuxstbelement_G: Sorry, I meant
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02:52:51element_GThanks linuxstb, I can get back to work on my WPS, any idea what happened to the builds server?
02:53:28linuxstbelement_G: It's being moved - it's announce on the homepage
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02:55:00element_Goh :)
02:55:08Fredzhow do ya search the archives
02:55:14Fredzanyone know
02:55:27element_GDoes anyone know if it's alright to distribute the fonts from Rasher's site?
02:56:22Fredzok i take that as no thanks :)
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02:57:58linuxstbelement_G: I 99% sure they're all freely redistributable. Doesn't the site say?
02:58:03linuxstbFredz: Which archives?
02:58:16Fredzwas gonna look around bin archives
02:58:17element_GRasher is a little bit cryptic" so I assume they are DFSG free. " Thanks for the confirmation
02:58:21Fredzi seen it in links up there
03:00:35linuxstbelement_G: DFSG refers to the Debian Free Software Guidelines. If the fonts meet that definition, then yes, you're free to distribute them. But you should always try and find the original license that applies to the font you want to use.
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03:17:23element_Glinuxstb: thanks
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04:10:27digerati1338when building a sim from SVN, what do you need to run after "make"?
04:11:51digerati1338no make zip or make install?
04:15:19JdGordonmake install would be goo
04:17:52digerati1338thanks. That's what I thought
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04:20:48chrisjs169is the build server down?
04:22:18digerati1338I noticed the recent SVN activity page is down. Haven't tried SVN recently
04:23:17JdGordonthe server was being moved... so either the move is still going, or the dns hasnt been updated
04:24:01chrisjs169ah, ok
04:28:00gursikhafaik the move was not scheduled to complete for another couple hours
04:28:39JdGordonits 4am sweden time... i assumed it owuld be done by now
04:29:25JdGordonwhats CET? in gmt?
04:29:33gursikhgood point, the number they were throwing around in here may have included time for DNS propagation I guess
04:30:09gursikhGMT +1
04:30:27JdGordonbah.. misread the www... yeah another 5 hours before move finished
04:30:43JdGordonfunny time to be moving imo :p
04:30:46gursikhthought so, they said 8-9 hours at least
04:30:53gursikhlowest activity?
04:33:08chrisjs169I guess
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04:38:21chrisjs169Since SVN is also down, is there any way to get a copy of the current source code?
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04:41:19theonewhere can I get rockbox from at the moment due to the server maintenance...any mirrors?
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04:44:32theonedoesn't have to be recent...I just haven't updated in 2 months
04:44:44theoneand the day I do the server's down
04:45:02chrisjs169theone: I have one, but it's got about 10 patches added to it....
04:45:08chrisjs169(for sansas)
04:45:20chrisjs169I might be able to dig up one without patches, hold on
04:45:23theoneoops, guess I should've mentioned for the iRiver h300
04:45:30theonebut if you have the source...
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04:45:53theonedon't worry about the patches hopefully the server'll be back tomorrow
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04:47:19chrisjs169ok, I have a script to automatically compile builds for me, and it makes a backup of it with the patches included, but I've never really used it...
04:48:12chrisjs169from about midnight PDT though (19 hours ago)
04:48:24theonethat's fine, thanks a lot
04:48:44theonenow I just gotta get cygwin workin again ;)
04:49:06theonebut luckily my linux box @ work is already setup
04:49:16chrisjs169I also have the unmodified source from 4-27
04:49:39theonethis should do...I just need to update before I go out tonight :)
04:49:55theonebut cool, thanks
04:50:03chrisjs169I have a rather decent server, I could compile a copy for you if you want :P
04:50:37theoneit's okay...I'm already uploading the tgz to my work box
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04:51:00theoneI should've used wget but forgot about it
04:51:28chrisjs169lol, ok
04:52:22chrisjs169I'm not even sure what it'll do having patches for Sansa on there...
04:52:58theoneadded 'features' on the h300 I guess ;)
04:53:35chrisjs169well, as long as it doesn't crash it...
04:54:11theonewell it's just one night, hopefully permanent damage doesn't arise
04:54:55theoneI'm already missing the back cover (hard drive/battery fully exposed :) )
04:55:21theonegood thing I still have the case
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04:56:04theonenot that bad actually :)
04:56:12chrisjs169I doubt it could do permanent damage, it just might act different :P
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04:56:52testdasiDoes "GPIOG_OUTPUT_VAL |=0x80" turn on or off the e200 wheel led?
04:57:00testdasiDoes "GPIOG_OUTPUT_VAL |=0x80" turn on or off the e200 wheel led?
04:57:01theoneI probably won't even notice with the liquor and all
05:02:08JdGordontestdasi: on i think... best to check the code though
05:02:23testdasithanks :D
05:02:35testdasiI look for the string GPIOG_OUTPUT_VAL and found the file
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05:04:17testdasiI'm so excited, I made my sansa wheel led flashes with beat :D
05:05:51testdasinow I need to try making a menu option to turn it on/off :D
05:09:04HellDragontestdasi: hardware mod ?
05:10:55HellDragonwhere can i download arm-elf-stuff for cygwin ? it seems like the links are down ?
05:12:29scorcheHellDragon: wait a few hours....server migration
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05:14:58testdasiHellDragon: nope, software. I changed the dsp.c file. Now I'm clueless about how to add a menu settings for it. :(
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05:27:16gursikhI wonder, would you guys be opposed to starting a ##rockbox (secondary namespace) where we could just chill and chat nonsense about rockbox and not interrupt the technical discussion here?
05:28:09JdGordontestdasi: look at menus/* and settings_list.c
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05:28:36JdGordonspecifically.... search for the button backlight setting
05:30:05testdasiJDGordon: thanks, I am looking into it
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05:40:39chrisjs169testdasi: it flashes with the beat?
05:42:35testdasiI believe so, I'm testing out the threshholds. It may not go with the "beat" but I think something close to it.
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05:51:00homieloweIs there another place I can download "ipod_fw.exe" and "ipodpatcher.exe" since your server(s?) are going through migration?
05:51:51BRi7XHello, my iPod just recently kicked the can (this time, the headphone jack). I'm totally sick of iPods now. I was looking into other similar MP3 players around the 30GB range... While this isn't a DIRECTLY related to Rockbox question, do you guys have any recommendations for a digital audio player?
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05:52:11BRi7X(tell me if that message got truncated or not... i'm not quite sure of the character limit on freenode...)
05:52:37homieloweI highly recommend Gigabeat for rockbox
05:52:45digerati1338You could look into a Sansa e200 series. They only go up to 8GB, but rockbox just got ported to them and they are very nice.
05:52:52chrisjs169BRi7X: nope, it wasn't truncated
05:53:16BRi7Xwell yeah i was looking for one with a HDD and around the 30GB range... ($200-230~USD)
05:53:22homieloweThe only current limitation is the magically lost battery levels on the portalplayer target
05:53:40BRi7Xportalplayer = ipods, right?
05:53:49homieloweBRi7X yes
05:53:55BRi7Xhmm, i was looking at the iAUDIO X5, how is that compared to the Gigabeat?
05:54:07BRi7X(and, therefore, the ipod 5.5g)
05:54:22testdasiIs it possible to not to go through the entire long make process if I just want to test out 1 file?
05:56:15testdasiI just adjust one number dsp.c but everytime I recompile, it takes hours to make every other files that I did not touch
05:56:21chrisjs169testdasi: do you have ccache installed? that seems to speed it up a little
05:56:45testdasichrisjs169: what is ccache?
05:56:49BRi7Xso in other words, what's the general "best" digital audio player with those specifications (30GB~, $200-230~USD, rockbox support, etc) ?
05:56:58scorchetestdasi: it will only compile what you change
05:57:21scorcheBr3nda: there is no best
05:57:33BRi7Xby best i mean... generally preferred
05:57:51scorchewell, everyone is different in what they want..
05:58:24BRi7Xhmm... true
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06:00:16*HellDragon eyes the migrating servers
06:00:54webguest59chrisjs169: Earlier, you mentioned having the 4/27 unpatched source... could you make that available as you did the patched version?
06:01:45testdasiany specific instruction to use with Cygwin?
06:02:43chrisjs169webguest59: yeah, i'll upload it...hold on
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06:02:53webguest59Thanks very much.
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06:04:30testdasichrisjs169: just "ccache make"?
06:05:20chrisjs169testdasi: rockbox should automatically detect ccache
06:05:32chrisjs169testdasi: so when doing ../tools/configure it should mention it
06:05:57chrisjs169testdasi: if it doesn't, do 'CC=(path to ccache)' and then do ../tools/configure
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06:06:23chrisjs169webguest59: it's slowly uploading to my main server, should be done in a few seconds
06:06:47webguest59Thanks... it beats waiting four or five hours.
06:07:39chrisjs169I have plenty of bandwidth for anyone else who wants to use it
06:08:11webguest59Got it... thanks again!
06:08:40chrisjs169no problem
06:09:30testdasichrisjs169: how do I know if rockbox has already detected ccache?
06:09:49testdasichrisjs169: I see it now :D
06:10:27chrisjs169testdasi: yup, it's not too hard to miss once you start looking for it :P
06:11:31testdasichrisjs169: If I want to make again. Do I just run ../tools/configure at the same folder as previously used?
06:12:24testdasichrisjs169: as in I usually create "build" then ../tools/configure. If I make the files again, I erase the content of "build". Do I have to do that now with ccache?
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06:13:10chrisjs169testdasi: basically, you just act like ccache isn't even there
06:13:42chrisjs169testdasi: although i'm not sure about erasing the contents of your build dir, but I think it should be fine if you do that
06:14:26testdasichrisjs169: Oh. So just "../tools/configure" then "make" then "make zip" in the same folder every time?
06:16:06chrisjs169testdasi: I *think* but I can't say for sure. It's mostly use just to speed up compiles, so doing what you normally do should work
06:17:48homieloweI have heard it is possible to load linux on the iPods through the Rockbox bootloader, I haven't found any documentation though
06:18:37scorchehold play while booting
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06:23:22homieloweIt says loading linux.... cant find linux.bin, does this relate to the kernel, or do I have to create something on ext3 partition? I'm not sure what category this falls into , relating to rockbox(bootloader) and not(linux)
06:25:00testdasiIs there a variable that can tell whether the player is in play or pause? I think dsp_process is load even when the file is cached but not playing. that's why I get flashing wheel led even when I pause (and it stop flashing after a while).
06:25:28scorchehomielowe: to be honest, i have no idea
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06:26:09homieloweOk thanks for your patience, n8(deutsch)
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06:33:55webguest59any 1 here
06:34:13webguest59no dl links work at the site
06:34:17webguest59for ipod
06:36:50gursikhwill be down for another 2-3 hours while they move the server
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06:39:57chrisjs169webguest59: don't you have the source from my site?
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06:43:04WebgiestDoes anyone know if the svn server is down or is my connection misconfigured. I have a fresh install of ubuntu.
06:43:26testdasiserver down
06:43:56testdasiI think it has been down since 6 hours ago
06:43:56scorcheserver migration is being taken you should have seen on the new bulletin on the front page
06:43:59testdasiso about 4 hours more
06:44:06Webgiestdarn ok thanks I guess I'll find something else to do few the next few hours
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06:46:27chrisjs169Webgiest: I have a copy of the source from about a week ago if you want to use that for now...
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06:59:12webguest17chrisjs169: When I try to compile the 4.27 source you uploaded earlier, I get all these errors when I run ../tools/configure. Have you any idea why that might be?
07:00:27scorcheit helps to know what errors..
07:01:38webguest17For example, lines 10, 13, 15, and 17 say: $'/r': command not found
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07:02:48webguest17Line 21: syntax error near unexpected token '$'{\r''
07:03:15chrisjs169webguest17: I can't say for sure, what is on those lines?
07:03:27webguest17Line 21: 'input <> {
07:04:12webguest17I really don't know how to answer that... not sure how to determine which lines are which in Notepad.
07:04:26chrisjs169hold on, i'll take a look
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07:05:10chrisjs169i *think* i removed all the patches from the latest build I was able to get earlier, so you may want to try that
07:05:27webguest17Try removing the patches?
07:05:48chrisjs169no, the 4/27 build is unmodified
07:06:12chrisjs169i'm working on trying to 'mirror' the latest build before the servers went down
07:07:28scorchewhat is so hard about waiting a few more hours?
07:07:40chrisjs169some aren't very patient (like me :P)
07:07:57webguest17scorche: you're probably right.
07:08:06webguest17Fact is I ought to hit the hay.
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07:08:29chrisjs169webguest17: those errors seem to be from blank lines....
07:09:51webguest17OK, I think I see what you mean in terms of blank lines... except for line 21.
07:11:16webguest17Closed the blank lines, which took care of all the errors except the ones in line 21, which is now line 17...
07:11:17chrisjs169line 21 seems to be converting () to <>
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07:34:10WebgiestIf anyone has could you please upload it and post a link that should take an hour or two to build while we wait downloads patches from the download server afaik
07:38:25JdGordononly if you want the sh gcc
07:38:42scorcheJdGordon: isnt there one for arm as well?
07:39:04JdGordonhmm... seems there is
07:39:23JdGordoni can put both patches online and the script...
07:39:42JdGordonas long as the 2 patches are in ~/tmp it wont try to download them
07:40:15*scorche still doesnt know why people cant wait a few more hours
07:43:02chrisjs169it's because people aren't patient enough :P
07:43:14chrisjs169and it's on a saturday....well...sunday now
07:43:26scorcheif it was going to be down for a week, i could understand it, but not a few hours..
07:43:54WebgiestJdGordon: thankyou
07:44:50Webgiestnow I can hurry up and wait
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08:14:51daurnimatorJdGordon: ping
08:14:59JdGordonho hum
08:16:05daurnimatorhow bout that swap - and an SD card
08:17:26JdGordonho hum... i shold be studying :'(
08:17:39DraXi've been refactoring my python bindings for reading tagcache and I just started to implement writing support
08:17:43DraXwriting ints is relativly easy
08:17:59DraXbut I'm a bit easy on jumping on the writing strings band wagon without asking a couple of questions :)
08:18:14DraXa) if a string is no longer used should it be removed?
08:18:28DraXb) is there any particular order to the strings in the cache files or can i just append new ones to the end
08:18:33daurnimatorJdGordon: but you're not
08:18:46JdGordontrue.. :'(
08:18:55JdGordonDraX: for a lang file? or database?
08:19:11DraXJdGordon: for the tag database
08:19:19*JdGordon has no idea
08:19:27JdGordonSlasheri is the man to talk to there..
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08:21:11mrkShould the server be back up soon? Earlier, I wasn't able to load any of the pages I wanted (current builds, manuals, etc.).
08:21:17mrkI tried right now, though, and I got 404s.
08:21:24mrkIt's a change, at least.
08:21:30DraXyeah I was trying to go through the tagcache code earlier :)
08:21:44JdGordon90min or so...
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08:23:51mrkJdGordon: sounds good.
08:24:11mrkI'm a long-time owner of the Rio Karma, but my battery's just about spent, my power button is screwed up...
08:24:16mrkand 20GB just isn't enough
08:24:47mrkso I ordered a 40 gig Gigabeat F with the specific intention of putting rockbox on it...
08:24:51mrkand I'm kind of anxious :)
08:25:05mrkso, uh, that's the short version of my story. I'm glad that you all requested <_<
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08:27:44SlasheriDraX: a) yes, old strings can be removed by writing binary zero as the first character in the string tag
08:28:01SlasheriDraX: b) all strings needs to be sorted for chunked browsing to work on archoses
08:28:27DraXSlasheri: ``for chunked browsing''?
08:28:47DraXSlasheri: oh and a third question what of the multiple Xs after the nul-bit
08:29:22SlasheriDraX: try that by changing the max number on files in a dir to a very low value and disabling database in ram
08:29:36Slasherithen open some primary index, wait for disk to spin down and start scrolling
08:29:38Slasheriyou will see
08:30:08SlasheriDraX: those are just to keep strings structs start address aligned
08:30:17Slasheriipods and archoses crash if they are not aligned
08:31:37DraXSlasheri: that jerk when i scroll fast?
08:31:54SlasheriDraX: yes, it loads the next chunk from the db
08:32:23Slasheriand because the directory buffer is not long enough to hold all data, it can't sort it
08:32:36Slasherithat's why the data needs to be kept sorted
08:32:54DraXso then i will need to rewrite from the changed position
08:33:23DraXSlasheri: and what exactly's meant by keeping strings struct start address aligned?
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08:35:46Slasherihmm, just a moment, need to check something
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08:40:55SlasheriDraX: ah, in fact i think that padding is just needed internally when database is committed next time. Because ram consumption is optimized, not the exact position of structs in the tag files are saved on the direct lookup hash table but that value is divided by some constant. And if structs are not aligned, that division goes wrong
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08:42:20DraXSlasheri: so how do I figure out how much to pad?
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08:47:48DraXSlasheri: also are all players going to have big endian databases, or do i need to figure out endianness?
08:50:13SlasheriDraX: endianess does not matter, tagcache can work on both endianesses. However, you need to detect the correct one of course when working with any existing db files
08:50:39DraXSlasheri: which was my question :)
08:50:46SlasheriDraX: just check TAGCACHE_STRICT_ALIGN places from the code
08:50:57DraXi can't till svn is back up :/
08:51:03Slasheriyou need long align them
08:51:11Slasherioh, it's down
08:51:43DraXbut i'll add it to the TODO
08:51:54Slasherigreat :)
08:53:50SlasheriDraX: endianess can be detected by loading the master header from tagcache_idx.tcd and checking on which endianess it loads correctly (header magic matches)
08:54:03DraXSlasheri: I was thinking that exact thing
08:54:17Slasherithat's how tagcache does it
08:54:32DraXthen i'll be in good company
08:54:45DraXSlasheri: finally do i need to do anything special to make rockbox commit the database?
08:55:44SlasheriDraX: if you are working directly with those primary tcd files, then rockbox does not need to commit it
08:55:55Slasherirockbox only commits the temporary tagcache_tmp.tcd file
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08:56:24DraXis there a reason I would favor writing to _tmp over writing directly?
08:57:10Slasherionly if you want to do it the simpler way and let rockbox do all hard work :)
08:57:28Slashericurrently that _tmp file can only be used to add new entries to the db
08:57:50DraXhmm i'm a bit torn on that one
08:58:01DraXpart of the reason I'm doing this is because it's slow
08:58:15DraXupdate/commit is annoying (particularly update, but commit is slightly annoying)
08:58:34DraXand I'd also kind of like to be able to merge playcount and friends back and forth
08:58:41DraX(wrote the bindings for a syncer)
08:58:49Slasherihmm, you think commit is really slow? :)
08:58:54DraXSlasheri: really slow no
08:59:36DraXbut slow enough that I decoded to add write support
08:59:45DraXbut i'm just horribly impatient :P
08:59:47Slasherii don't think it even can be much faster on target, because there is so much work to be done with strict resource limits. But on pc it's fast
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09:00:39DraXi figured as much
09:00:52DraXi mean i know for reading that's the case
09:00:54SlasheriDraX: but a python library would indeed be very useful for syncing data
09:01:15DraXSlasheri: i'm already using it
09:01:38DraXSlasheri: it reads the rockbox database and it finds songs in a specified xmms2 collection that are not in the rockbox database
09:01:41DraXand copies them over
09:01:57DraXI need to find a better way to fat32ify filenames though
09:02:08DraXsome of my music just won't copy because of the unicode characters in the filename
09:02:22DraXbut it's only certain unicode chracters it doesn't like
09:03:39DraXi also need to add the other direction
09:03:48DraXwould like to be able to use my rockbox to get music from friends
09:04:02DraXand then have it sync over that music when I run the syncer
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09:33:21tHEkIND_Bon, 5 zodes téléchargés dans la nuit
09:33:27tHEkIND_j'adore bittorrent
09:34:04tHEkIND_SOrry, wrong window
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09:34:24scorchele sigh
09:34:32mrkle tired, here.
09:35:07mrkthe... dealies! on the site are back up
09:35:45scorcheyes..the download server is back up
09:36:12mrkand the manuals
09:36:17mrkwhich I'll need, prolly <_<
09:36:22mrknever done this before...
09:36:24scorchewhich are hosted on the download server...
09:36:31mrkwish me luck, though I've heard I won't need it :P
09:36:34mrkah, are they?
09:36:38mrkwasn't aware of that.
09:36:56*scorche points to the "" in the manual links
09:38:19mrkI'm new, give me a break >_>
09:39:27tHEkIND_When the wps code has been totally changed ?
09:40:09tHEkIND_4 Apr 14:41
09:40:40tHEkIND_Where can i found the source code of the 3 Apri ?
09:56:14mrkI have a question, if anybody is around to answer.
09:56:42mrkThe manual for the gigabeat F tells me to browse to the folder "GBSYSTEM and from that into the subfolder FWIMG. These folders are hidden. Make sure that you have configured your browser to show hidden files or you may be unable to see FWIMG."
09:57:03mrkI've got show hidden files checked, but don't even see GBSYSTEM.
09:57:10earHertzgeneral settings|show files
09:57:25mrkall that I see is DEMO_MUSIC and UMRG Sampler...
09:57:26earHertzoh, in windows
09:57:32mrkyeah, in windows <_<
09:57:34mrkfail, I know.
09:57:54mrkto be fair, I /did/ attempt linux a few times, but I'm just too ingrained with how windows operates.
09:57:59mrkback to the subject at hand, though...
09:58:09earHertzopen a command line window
09:58:16earHertzcd tyo the drive teh gibabwat is on
09:58:27earHertzthen try to cd GBSYSTEM
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09:59:16mrkbah, I forget how to use command line efficiently.
09:59:24mrk(a good reason that I stopped using linux
09:59:40Bagderno, a good reason to continue using it so that you learn! ;-)
09:59:41mrkIt's on drive f... tried cd f:, but I'm not sure that that worked.
09:59:50mrkI really would, if I had the time.
09:59:55mrkit was interesting, I must admit.
10:00:30mrkwell, with cd f:, the next line was F:\, but if it actually navigated there, I should see F:\ at the end of the current line, no?
10:00:59Bagderin dos/windows you don't cd to drives afair
10:01:19earHertzoh, yeah, riht
10:01:25earHertzjust type f:
10:02:27mrkah, I'm there.
10:02:32mrkin the GBSYSTEM folder.
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10:03:04mrkI should punch windows for being the bitch it is.
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10:03:17mrk"Oh, you're looking at all of the files. Nothing left to see in here!"
10:03:30mrkWhat did I just cd to then, you fool?
10:04:22mrkhow do I rename the one file?
10:04:35mrkrn filename1 filename2?
10:04:35earHertzren oldname newname
10:04:40mrkclose enough <_<
10:04:44bluebrothertry ren /?
10:05:08bluebrotheralmost all dos commands understand the switch /?
10:07:12mrkI did "ren FWIMG01.dat FWIMG01.dat.orig"
10:07:15mrkdidn't work.
10:07:28mrkI'm navigated to the directory f:\gbsystem\fwimg
10:07:55earHertzdoes the gigabeat supported filnames > 8.3?
10:08:04bluebrotheris that even the directory? Shouldn't it be f:\gbsystem?
10:08:19bluebrotherthat's not a gigabeat issue, it's a filesystem issue
10:08:36mrkStarting at the root folder of your player browse into the folder GBSYSTEM and from that into the subfolder FWIMG. These folders are hidden. Make sure that you have configured your browser to show hidden files or you may be unable to see FWIMG.
10:09:05bluebrotherVFAT is the extension to support longer filenames than 8.3. It is not dependend on a specific device or version of FAT
10:09:13bluebrothermrk, ok, then I was wrong :)
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10:09:34mrkthat's bad <_<
10:09:51bluebrotherwhat OS are you using? XP?
10:10:04mrkyar, sp2.
10:10:13mrkif that matters in the slightest.
10:10:18bluebrotherhmm, then the dos box should be able handling long filenames
10:10:31bluebrothercan't you rename it using windows explorer?
10:10:42mrkI can't get there using windows explorer, oddly enough.
10:10:47mrkeven with hidden files showing.
10:11:08bluebrotherdid you get an error message upon your rename try?
10:11:25mrk"the system cannot find the file specified."
10:11:47bluebrotherany other problems with the drive? Maybe there is a problem with the file system
10:12:01mrkas in...?
10:12:17bluebrotherlike corrupted files, other files that don't transfer / show up / etc
10:12:26mrknot to my knowledge, no.
10:12:39mrkand you're referring to the pc's drive?
10:12:48mrkbecause I just got the gigabeat today, so I wouldn't know
10:12:50bluebrotherno, to the gigabeat drive
10:13:06bluebrotheryou could just run chkdsk to make sure −− c:, then chkdsk /f f:
10:13:12mrkshould I transfer some music with gigabeat room and see what happens?
10:13:34bluebrotherI don't think that would help
10:13:41mrkah, okay.
10:13:45mrktried to check it
10:13:51mrkbut it says it's being used by another process
10:13:56mrkclose anything using t?
10:14:02mrkwait, it's asking if I want a forced dismount.
10:14:05mrkI suppose I would.
10:14:16bluebrothertry that.
10:14:31mrkfound no problems.
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10:14:45mrkand it's telling me that there are hidden folders, too :P
10:14:52mrksuch stupidity, windows.
10:15:12bluebrotherhmm. I think the command to change attributes was attrib
10:16:25bluebrotherattrib -r -h -s f:\gbsystem /s
10:16:37bluebrotherthat should unhide and unprotect the files
10:17:00mrkfile not found - F:\gbsystem
10:17:28bluebrotherthat sounds really strange
10:17:50mrkit does, considering that we know it exists.
10:18:08bluebrotherhmm. Then I'm kinda out of ideas
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10:18:25bluebrothermaybe it's windows choking up, you could try a live linux of course
10:18:29mrkI'm going to try restarting. it makes no sense, but it works with windows.
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10:21:16mrkaaand I'm back.
10:21:31mrkJust to be sure, I should be choosing "gigabeat room" on the player over WMP10?
10:22:21bluebrotherno idea −− doesn't the manual tell this?
10:22:32mrkwell, I'm just assuming
10:22:46mrkbecause if you choose wmp10, it doesn't show up as a drive
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10:22:56mrkas it's an mtp device with that option
10:25:20bluebrothersorry, don't knowmuch about the gigabeat
10:26:04mrkwell, it's going to be gigabeat room...
10:26:17mrklet me see if I've a livecd anywhere around
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10:31:22mrkthis wasn't supposed to be difficult.
10:31:26Bagderender`: morning!
10:31:38mrkit's goddamn 4am, nearly.
10:31:39ender`morning :)
10:32:42Bagderender`: so gimme a host name and a port number and I'll add your host
10:33:36ender`, port 667
10:34:08mrkgot the cd...
10:34:27mrkoh dammit
10:34:32mrkit's a boot one
10:34:34mrkbbias, I guess
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10:41:59bluebrotherwhat country is si?
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10:47:29mrkall right
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10:47:42mrkso, when I booted ubuntu, it saw the drive automatically...
10:47:48mrkso I went to the rockbox site
10:47:53mrkfollowed the instrutions
10:48:07mrkalready had the rockbox folder there
10:48:18mrkso I only need to rename that one file and replace it with the other one...
10:48:38mrkso once that's done, I remove the player from the dock
10:48:45mrkturn it on and off, like it says to
10:48:55mrkon again, and it boots the normal formware
10:49:12mrkso I use the little battery-off switch on the player
10:49:20mrkand then turn that back on
10:49:24mrkon boot, red error
10:49:28mrk"no system found on hdd"
10:49:52Bagderplease cut the profanities
10:50:11mrkcan't even turn the thing off.
10:52:35mrkthat's not really funny.
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11:03:45bamboopuppyhi, can anyone help me with a quick question?
11:04:44Bagdernot so very funny dissection...
11:04:51Bagder(of a sansa connect)
11:07:20bamboopuppyoh, not sure what that was about haha =p
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11:08:15bamboopuppywould anyone be able to help me out with a few questions regarding the installation of the rockbox on my gigabeat?
11:08:45bamboopuppyim trying to locate some files which are hidden, but even when i enable to view hidden items, the files won't show on my gigabeat T__T
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11:20:14markunbamboopuppy: I could help maybe
11:20:30markunthe files are not only hidden but also marked as 'system files'
11:20:43markunthere should be another option to show them as well
11:24:20bamboopuppythanks markun =)
11:24:30bamboopuppyim slowly figuring it out from the forums haha
11:24:52bamboopuppythe main thing i did wrong was connecting it through the dock >__< that's why i couldn't view them
11:25:20markunbamboopuppy: maybe this would have helped:
11:25:35markunit tells you how to view the files and also not to use the dock
11:26:11bamboopuppyyea, im looking at that right now ^-^
11:26:33bamboopuppyim pretty excited haha
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11:27:14markunI see it the logs there was a 'mrk' guy who screwed it up a bit..
11:27:56markunI hope he'll be back, because the problem is easy to fix
11:28:39bluebrothermarkun, is it right that you must not use the dock when installing on a gigabeat?
11:29:06bamboopuppyif you don't use the dock, you won't be able to see the hidden files
11:29:07markunbamboopuppy: well, it depends on the setting in the OF
11:29:17markunbamboopuppy: what??
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11:29:32markunthe first one was for bluebrother :)
11:29:34mrkGot it.
11:29:34markunhi mrk
11:29:37markungood :)
11:29:38bamboopuppymarkun: i tried to view the hidden folder, from the dock
11:29:47mrktransferring music now...
11:29:53markunmrk: so, what was the problem in the end?
11:30:01bamboopuppymarkun: then i couldn't see the root folder, but now i can when i connected directly to the gigabeat =)
11:30:02mrksomething very stupid
11:30:05bluebrotherok. This isn't noted in the manual −− maybe we should advice the users to not use the dock for installing at all?
11:30:20mrkI uh.
11:30:23mrkthe rockbox folder?
11:30:30mrkI didn't have the .rockbox folder in root.
11:30:30markunbluebrother: I work on the wiki installation instructions from time to time
11:30:34bamboopuppybluebrother: it is given on the installation guide online for twiki
11:30:37markunthey should probably be replicated in the manual
11:30:39mrkI had the rockbox folder that the .rockbox folder came in :P
11:30:51mrkso once I repaired it to original status
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11:30:57mrkI re-copied just the .rockbox folder
11:31:05mrkand tried the instructions again
11:31:07bluebrotherbamboopuppy, it's fine the wiki has it, but as we regularly point the users to the manual it should have it
11:31:09mrkand I'm in rockbox right now
11:31:17markunmrk: did you try rockbox on another player before?
11:31:31markunI hope you'll like it
11:31:31mrkonly other player I've owned was a rio karma.
11:31:40mrkand the only firmware that could ever compete with that is rockbox.
11:31:48mrkand it still has some things that rockbox doesn't have <_<
11:31:51markunI think it's a good replacement for the karma
11:31:55mrkbrilliant piece of work
11:31:57mrkoh, definitely
11:31:59bamboopuppycool, i'm going to read the guide about how to put certain skins on and such, i'll check back in a little bit =)
11:32:08mrkme too
11:32:15mrkbamboopuppy: are you in the same situation as me?
11:32:15markunmrk: well, if you can program a little you can help adding those improvements
11:32:23mrkI wish I could :P
11:32:26mrkI know a tiny bit of java
11:32:29mrkthat's all :P
11:32:35mrkand that's *worse* than nothing ;)
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11:32:42markunnah, it's not worse
11:32:48mrkwhen adding music, do I just drop it in the root?
11:32:51mrkor make a music folder?
11:32:57bluebrothermarkun, did I got this right? The cradle think is only problematic in conjuction with the hidden system folders?
11:33:14bluebrothermrk, drop it whereever you like
11:33:18bamboopuppybluebrother: yup
11:33:20markunmrk: I have a music folder, and also one for videos, texts, games
11:33:28mrkI'll make a music folder, then :P
11:33:33mrkI like to be organized
11:33:41markunbluebrother: no, that was just bamboopuppy thinking that :)
11:33:42mrkall my stuff is meticulously tagged, anyway
11:34:02bamboopuppymarkun: if i'm correct, the gigabeat can't play videos huh?
11:34:09mrknot by default
11:34:16markunyes by default
11:34:19mrkit can with rockbox, though, right?
11:34:24mrkcan it?
11:34:25markunyes, that :)
11:34:32markunnot with the OF no :)
11:34:35mrkwell, it's 4:36; I'm tired D:
11:34:40markunsorry if I'm confusing
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11:34:46markunmaybe I should wake up a bit more
11:34:50bamboopuppymarkun: so now that i have gigabeat, i can play videos?
11:34:54mrkI see what you meant, now that I read back
11:35:01bamboopuppymarkun: oh no it's alright, you're very helpful =)
11:35:41markunbamboopuppy: it's a bit tricky, but looks very good:
11:36:10mrkany difference in transfer time between direct connection and connection through dock?
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11:37:01markunbluebrother: do you get my PMs?
11:37:11markunmrk: not with rockbox
11:37:18bluebrotheryes. Sorry, was distracted for a second
11:37:31mrkthat's damned good!
11:37:34mrkfor something this small
11:37:43markunmrk: with the original software you have a special WMP mode with is only USB 1.1 speeds
11:37:55mrkthat whole thing is trash, tbh.
11:38:07mrktranscoding all of my music to protected wma upon transfer?
11:38:10mrkutterly disgusting
11:38:23mrkaudiophile here :P
11:38:49mrkso it only plays mpeg?
11:38:54bamboopuppydoes it have to transcode all the music files on the player?
11:39:07bamboopuppythere should be a way around that no?
11:39:22bamboopuppymrk: mpeg1 and 2 only from what i'm reading
11:39:28markunmrk: yes, but you need to transcode your videos to the right resolution anyway
11:39:42mrkthat's a downer, as anything I'd want to watch (TV) is in avi
11:39:44mrkand transcoding isn't fun on a single-threaded proc
11:39:44mrkand an athlon 3000, at that
11:39:44mrker. apologies.
11:39:44DBUGEnqueued KICK mrk
11:39:44mrkbamboopuppy: it would seem.
11:39:55mrkah, true enough.
11:40:03mrkI should put all of my eps of the office on there <_<
11:40:10mrkentertaining show to watch around...
11:40:32markunthe video player doesn't have seeking yet, so you have to watch it in one go :)
11:40:40mrkeh, 20 minutes long
11:40:44mrknot too much of a problem
11:40:45markunfor series it's ok, but a movie..
11:40:50markunand you can pause
11:40:52mrkyeah :\
11:40:59mrkwell, we'll get there eventually :)
11:41:16markunand people will never be happy :)
11:41:26mrknope, never
11:41:34mrkwhich is the beauty of open source, of course.
11:43:46bamboopuppymarkun: im kind of lost, is there a way to replace the default browsing skin with a new skin?
11:44:00bamboopuppymarkun: im sorry with the questions, it's just all so new to me haha >___<
11:44:18markunin the settings there should be a 'browse themes'
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11:44:22markunwith some other skins
11:44:50markunyou can also download some from various places, but not all work with the official version of rockbox (which you are using now)
11:46:38mrkmarkun: downloaded the fonts
11:46:44mrkwhere do I put them, if you don't mind my asking?
11:46:45CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
11:46:45*bluebrother points to
11:47:03markunmrk: just unzip them to you player directy
11:47:10bamboopuppymrk: i believe you just extract them into the default directory
11:47:19markunit contains a .rockbox folder with the fonts subfolder
11:47:43markununzip -o -d /media/disk for example
11:47:49mrkI'd copy the fonts folder into the .rockbox folder present on my gigabeat?
11:47:58markunyou can also do that
11:48:32mrk'tis done.
11:50:04markunelections here in France today, the bad guy will probably win
11:50:12mrkas usual :P
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11:50:14moosyeah :(
11:50:35*moos will go to vote in few minutes
11:50:41moosfor Segolene ;)
11:50:45markunmoos: good luck as I will be fleeing the country in 2 weeks :)
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11:51:09mooshahaha, lucky you, you will leave the futur dictatory :)
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11:52:01markunmoos: you will probably be checked by the police a bit more from now on :)
11:52:14mooshehe, indeed :)
11:52:21markunthose dangerous terrorists..
11:52:27mooshahaha :D
11:52:50mrkam I the only one who likes Pixel theme?
11:52:53mrkI think it's nice...
11:53:01mrksearch pixel...
11:53:06moosmarkun: "arabians are evil" :)
11:53:16markunmoos: and you're not even arab!
11:53:23markunah, no, you are :)
11:53:27mooshalf one
11:53:38markunstill happy with your Gigabeat?
11:53:52markunhow is the sound compared to the X5?
11:54:10mrkI think it'd be better
11:54:15mrkx5 had great sound...
11:54:19moosyeah, I didn't used it like my main dap (still my X5 for this)
11:54:22mrkbut it wasn't on par with karma
11:54:39mrkand the gigabeat is supposedly pretty damn close to the karma
11:54:44moossounds is nice, but hard to tell better betwen the 2 in term of quality sound
11:55:04mrkat levels like this, the difference is negligible, almost
11:55:11mrkwhat quality music?
11:55:14mrkand what headphones?
11:55:27moosmarkun: but the center click annoy me like old rockbox user :(
11:56:08moosthat's the first target that we care about OF, that's not cool :(
11:56:22markunI didn't care about the OF that much
11:56:27markunand I came from a iriver h120
11:56:43moosthen please change mapping ;p
11:56:43markunnow also the A and POWER buttons are switched for you :)
11:56:56mooshehe :)
11:57:07markunlinuxstb_ is wayting for me to be on holliday to do the switch secretly :)
11:57:17mooshehe :)
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11:57:58markunquite surprising results btw:;viewResults
11:58:10markunat least I thought there would have been much more resistance
11:58:36*moos will go log on (not done since a long while) and go vote for consitency
11:59:01markunthat's only about A and POWER btw..
11:59:14markunif you want to complain about SELECT and A please start a new poll
11:59:28mrkhow would I use a new theme?
11:59:42markunmrk: if it comes with a .cfg file you can click on that
11:59:51moosmarkun: also, on WPS bizarre to have to ways to change volume
12:00:00mrkwhat I did was...
12:00:11mrkI downloaded the file and extraced, of course
12:00:18mrkthen navigated through the folders
12:00:25markunmoos: yes, a bit. But I don't know a better function for the buttons for now
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12:00:35mrkit looked to me like each theme that was already on the player was just a .wps and a folder full of .bmps
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12:00:45mrkso I copied those...
12:00:46mrkdidn't work
12:01:02linuxstb_mrk: There's also a theme .cfg file in the themes/ directory.
12:01:03moosmarkun: sure you will find something usufull ;)
12:01:18mrkwhat would I do with that, linuxstb_?
12:01:25mrkclick it in rockbox's filebrowser?
12:01:37linuxstb_mrk: Yes, or from the Browse Themes menu
12:01:39mrkforgive me if I'm way off-base
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12:02:32*moos will go vote if he doesn't want to wait like the previous time 1h30
12:02:52moos1h30 to wait just for vote :(
12:03:01mrklinuxstb: it's not in browse themes, though...
12:03:05mrkonly the originals are
12:03:16linuxstbmrk: Then you didn't copy the theme .cfg file
12:03:40linuxstbmrk: Themes should come with the correct directory structure in the zip file - you just unzip it directly to your player.
12:04:33mrkI've been told that multiple times
12:04:33linuxstbmrk: Or use the Rockbox Utility -
12:04:40mrka question before I proceed with another
12:04:50mrkare you meaning to extract it to root?
12:05:08bluebrotherif the theme was packed properly, yes.
12:05:10linuxstbmrk: If the zip file includes the ".rockbox" part of the path (which they should), then yes.
12:05:12bamboopuppyquick question: is there a simple way to create a playlist of songs?
12:05:37bamboopuppyor do i have to save each song onto the playlist as i go along?
12:05:51mrkah, all right.
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12:05:54bluebrotherbamboopuppy, how do you exactly mean that?
12:06:06markunbamboopuppy: you can add a whole dir to the playlist
12:06:07bluebrotheryou can use the insert function from the context menu of the files
12:06:13*mrk is now playing: The Project Hate MCMXCIX - [When We Are Done, Your Flesh Will Be Ours #02] - Can't Wait [1:11/6:57|MP3|320kbps]
12:06:18mrker, sorry.
12:06:21mrkdoubt that's wanted here
12:06:30bluebrotherit's not :)
12:06:30scorcheit isnt =)
12:06:31markunmrk: it isn't :
12:06:38mrkmy regular hangouts have lots of music-spam :P, because we share music a lot <_<
12:06:41mrkgood call, self.
12:06:55markuncan you enable/disable it per channel?
12:07:03mrkoh, no
12:07:05scorchemarkun: it is likely a command
12:07:05mrkit's manual
12:07:25mrkfoobar2000++ :D
12:07:39bamboopuppyi'll have to fiddle around with it to get the hang of it =)
12:08:09markunbamboopuppy: try the manual, it's not perfect but it'll help you a lot I think
12:08:14bluebrotherbamboopuppy, did you read the "browsing and playing" chapter in the manual? ;-)
12:08:35markunbluebrother: sorry for calling it
12:08:38markunnot perfect :)
12:08:52bluebrotheroh, that's perfectly ok −− it isn't perfect
12:09:18bluebrotherbut hopefully we can push it more towards perfection soon :D
12:09:52bluebrotherI need to finish my diploma thesis first though.
12:10:20mrk"stereo width"?
12:10:25mrkwouldn't I want that at 100%?
12:10:45markunmrk: some people have it at more than 100% :)
12:10:52bamboopuppymarkun: yup =) pretty good stuff in there, i'm trying to slowly follow through it to learn about the functionality of everything haha =)
12:11:08bamboopuppyit's getting late, i think i'm going to call it a night for now
12:11:16markunok, sweet dreams
12:11:17bamboopuppythanks for the help everyone!
12:11:36bamboopuppymarkun: you've been of great help especially =p
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12:12:10mrkhow does it work, exactly?
12:12:19mrkbecause my headphones are more than capable of a large soundstage...
12:12:48markunmrk: it just removes some mono from both channels I think (for > 100%)
12:13:17mrkI'll sty at 100%, then
12:13:25mrktrying to keep it pretty true to the source
12:13:27mrksave for eq <_<
12:13:28markunmrk: I don't know if you will like it, but crossfeed is nice for listening over headphones
12:13:31mrkbut we'll see about that
12:13:42mrkkarma had it, didn't like it
12:13:49mrke4s do an excellent job <3
12:14:08markunfor me it doesn't depend on the headphones
12:14:21markunor are you saying they have crossfeed built in?
12:14:51mrkoh, no
12:14:59mrkit's just that they're perfect as they are :P
12:15:03mrklove 'em to death
12:15:35markunI'm also still looking for nice in-ears
12:15:46markunto replace my crappy and broken koss "the plug"
12:15:59scorchemarkun: cheap i assume?
12:16:08bluebrotheris "the plug" that crappy?
12:16:12scorche(that you are looking for)
12:17:02markunscorche: not too much money no
12:17:10markunremember that I am from The Netherlands after all :)
12:17:18markun(cheap bastards)
12:17:25scorchehrm...a bit to PMs we go! =)
12:18:24mrkmarkun: ever hear of head-fi?
12:19:19scorchemrk: febs, rotator, and i are the only "rockbox" people i have seen there
12:19:42markunmrk: yes
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12:22:20linuxstbbluebrother: Have you tried building the manual recently? I get a Makefile error that it can't find (Bagder?)
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12:23:06bluebrotherlinuxstb, just build the whole bunch −− worked fine here.
12:23:36linuxstbbluebrother: It works, but I get that error at the end of the build. Is it just me?
12:24:21linuxstbIt seems to only be the PDF, not the HTML.
12:24:29*bluebrother checks
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12:24:48mrkmarkun: I was just saying that they'll help you out with choosing good, cheapish in-ears.
12:24:51mrkI'm gonna go now
12:24:53mrkat 5:30
12:24:59mrkthanks for your help, everybody
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12:27:16bluebrotherlinuxstb, no error messages here at the end
12:27:28linuxstbbluebrother: What do you think of this change to the install section? The aim is to emphasise the install steps needed for installing so people don't keep skipping that step.
12:29:17bluebrotherbut I get another one that might be related: "cp: cannot stat `rockbox-info.txt': No such file or directory" upon sim "make install"
12:29:33bluebrotherjust trying a clean rebuild now ...
12:29:44linuxstbTry running configure again
12:30:07bluebrotherthat was my idea ;-) Waiting for my box to finish building
12:30:18bluebrotherthe manual diff looks fine to me
12:30:59bluebrotherok, reconfiguring solved it. I thought I had done that before. Hmm.
12:31:20linuxstbbluebrother: OK, I'll commit that manual change.
12:33:06linuxstbHow do I tell svn that I've resolved a conflict?
12:33:25JdGordonremoev the .mine and .rxxxx file
12:33:36*linuxstb finds "svn resolved"
12:33:40JdGordonthat too
12:35:22JdGordonmissed your chance.... gotta work from now till i pass out :p
12:40:07JdGordontomorow :)
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13:10:56chrisjs169wha.....SVN is up?
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13:11:39scorchehas been for a while
13:12:11chrisjs169yeah, well i've been sleeping :P
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13:50:29JdGordonBagder: is the e260 the 4gb model?
13:50:55linuxstbJdGordon: Yes
13:50:58scorcheJdGordon: google says yes
13:54:00JdGordongot impatient and went looking for dads sansa whichc confirms it is :p
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13:56:50JdGordonhmm... cant get to the hardware version without taking out more than the 4 easy screws... bugger :p
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15:06:48Bagderender`: seen the sdl/ld problem?
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15:08:48ender`didn't notice it hasn't finished installing yesterday
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15:10:28Bagderstill nice to see 16 servers used
15:10:51Bagderand one of ours are still "out"
15:11:06JdGordonBagder: did you get delayed upload going yet?
15:11:41Bagderas in I haven't dared run my test version for that yes
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15:12:30JdGordonactually... looking at the speeds of the other builds.. probably no point even trying to add my server back in.. too slow
15:14:58markunBagder: any experiments with your speed up plans yet?
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15:20:29ender`btw, on H120, the messages that appear in the gray boxes are practically unreadable for me (and no contrast changes improve them), would it be possible to have the text in white instead?
15:21:33JdGordonshould be a trivial change...
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15:22:37JdGordonapps/gui/splash.c around line137
15:24:04ender`let's see
15:26:57JdGordonjust change the back colour to white for detph<16 should fix it
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15:33:05webguest65is there someone?
15:33:34webguest65i was searching for information
15:33:39markunah, just ask
15:33:47webguest65about the sigmatel 3500
15:34:06webguest65and the motorola 56004
15:34:16markunhm, don't know anything about those chips
15:34:34webguest65yes I saw on the website some information
15:34:43webguest65about compilers supporting that chip
15:34:49webguest65and i think i found one
15:35:03webguest65but im not expert enough to test it with my mp3 player
15:35:26webguest65even because i don't have source code of its implementation
15:35:39markunso, which compiler did you find?
15:36:04webguest65yes I found the one by tasking company
15:37:43ender`ok, this looks much better
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15:37:56voltagexanyone awake?
15:38:12voltagexis it at all possible to play AAC that has been ripped from an mpeg-4?
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15:39:27webguest65here it is
15:39:34webguest65it's a patch for his EDE platform
15:39:55webguest65but it contains executable c56
15:40:06webguest65which compiles c -> 56k opcodes
15:40:08webguest65i suppose
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15:41:15webguest65it should work for dsp56k i suppose
15:41:19webguest65and so for the sigmatel
15:41:31webguest65which is said to be compatible
15:42:17webguest65there's also a guide on their website
15:42:22webguest65for that compiler
15:42:33linuxstbvoltagex: Do you mean a raw AAC file, no container?
15:43:22voltagexlinuxstb: I'm unsure, I just ripped the AAC from an x264 MP4 file using a CLI utility that I now can't remember
15:43:58linuxstbRockbox doesn't support raw AAC, so if that's it, you'll need to mux it into an mp4 container.
15:44:06voltagexlinuxstb: you're the linuxstb that wrote dvbtools ?!
15:44:14voltagexlinuxstb: ok, thanks
15:45:23linuxstbvoltagex: Yes, but don't hold that against me.
15:45:33markunwebguest65: I hope someone who has use for it will read the logs
15:45:38voltagexlinuxstb: can I ask you a question about that?
15:45:46linuxstbvoltagex: Sure, PM would be best...
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15:57:12webguest65is there a tool to parse STMP3500 resource.bin files?
15:57:39webguest65i mean to obtain back .src files
15:57:45webguest65or at least data sections
15:58:07webguest65from firmware file
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16:01:44JdGordonwebguest65: google says no...
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16:03:41webguest65yes i know google says no, i was asking to you infact
16:03:44webguest65not to google
16:04:04webguest65ehm sorry lag
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16:04:30webguest65anyway i think i'm going to code it
16:04:44webguest65because the resource.bin format is very simple
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16:50:31JdGordonanyone got any ideas why the sansa backlight starts turned off but all other targets are fine?
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16:51:10linuxstbMaybe the bootloaders turn it on on other targets?
16:52:09JdGordonno, the backlight is on for the bl, then as soon as the rockbox logo comes on it turns off...
16:52:15JdGordoneven if the setting is set to on!
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16:58:10JdGordonyay fixed it :)
16:58:22JdGordonnot setting a default brightness is apparently bad
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17:08:33JdGordonmore 64bit sim problems?
17:13:21linuxstbJdGordon: No, I think ender's new build server was missing SDL.
17:13:43JdGordonah ok
17:13:48ender`btw, speaking of sims, my server is 64bit, is that a problem?
17:14:00linuxstbOther servers are as well.
17:16:40chrisjs169i'm getting a seg fault while trying to build a sim (collect2: ld terminated with signal 11)
17:16:49chrisjs169any ideas how to fix that?
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17:19:52JdGordonchrisjs169: did you update binutils recently?
17:20:11JdGordoniirc one of the distros put a broken binutils in its repo? or something
17:20:24chrisjs169nope, should i update it?
17:20:38chrisjs169normal builds compile fine, it's just sims
17:20:46JdGordonmissing sdl-del?
17:21:28chrisjs169it's installed via apt-get....should I try from source?
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17:22:27JdGordonI dunno... i know some of our servers has similar problem..
17:23:13*JdGordon shuts up
17:24:20JdGordonah HA... im not crazy... is the error your getting?
17:24:54JdGordonobo: what did you do to fix your server with the sim ld segfaulting?
17:25:11chrisjs169yup, that's it
17:25:16JdGordonBagder: servers need kicking again...
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17:30:57chrisjs169i was bored yesterday waiting for the build server to come back up and upgraded everything...
17:31:54JdGordoncould be it...
17:32:20JdGordontry upgrading binutils... if that desnt work.. try downgrading it :D
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17:33:35ice8luehey everybody... i need help with my sansa rockbox
17:34:08chrisjs169binutils was the newest version, just downgraded to 2.15, caused some other error
17:34:15chrisjs169ice8lue: what do you need help with
17:34:28ice8lueim using the actual build of chrisjs from .... the scrollwheel is flickering all the time, even if i set it off
17:34:32ice8luewhat is this?
17:34:57nlsice8lue: unofficial build are not supported by us
17:35:12ice8lueyes, but chrisjs is here^^
17:35:13chrisjs169ah, my build :P
17:35:50chrisjs169ice8lue: that's from JdGordon's HDD Led build.....try using (same thing, just without that patch)
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17:36:26JdGordonthat hack was actually put into a build! :O
17:36:56chrisjs169i thought it was cool :P
17:37:21chrisjs169I get bored rather easily though, so staring at a flashing light can be entertaining at times...
17:37:21ice8luewell...i was a little scared because i dont think it is good for the leds
17:38:11JdGordonchrisjs169: you want the peak meter button light patch then
17:38:11chrisjs169ice8lue: I haven't had any problems with my LEDs, but JdGordon made that patch, so ask him if it's safe :P
17:38:14ice8lueaaaah, much better, thank u =)
17:38:24webguest42chrisjs169: I'm the guy who was here last night looking for source code. The reason was because my compilations were suddenly having the problem that jdgordon just fixed.
17:38:47chrisjs169JdGordon: but that doesn't flash as much =/
17:38:58chrisjs169webguest42: huh?
17:39:05webguest42Your build from the ABI forum didn't exhibit that behavior (backlight turning off on boot) and I wannted to figure out why.
17:39:26webguest42But now I see he's figured it out and fixed it.... good deal.
17:39:44ice8lueya...thats working now^^
17:40:00chrisjs169that all just confused me....what is it that's fixed now?
17:40:23ice8lueah, another thing.... how to get the albumart working? the patch is installed, the theme supports it, but where do i have to locate the images?
17:40:30webguest42The issue with the backlight turning off when you boot Rockbox. My Sansa suddenly started doing this a couple of days ago.
17:40:39chrisjs169JdGordon: binutils 2.17-3 works properly on sims
17:40:48webguest42Then I tried your ABI build(s) and for some reason, they didn't do this.
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17:41:21webguest42So that's why I was so impatient last night looking for unmodified source.
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17:41:30chrisjs169webguest42: ah, ok
17:41:48chrisjs169so my build is working 'properly'?
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17:42:30ice8luestupid chatzilla^^
17:42:37webguest42Yes it is. I want to try to replicate it on my own. Nothing like reinventing the wheel. :-)
17:43:10chrisjs169webguest42: ok, talking to three people while trying to fix a compiling issue gets confusing...glad everything's working
17:43:11JdGordonreplicate what?
17:43:29webguest42OK... thanks, all. DOn't want to cause confusion. Out.
17:44:18chrisjs169ice8lue: this wiki article should help:
17:45:11chrisjs169ice8lue: they're placed in the same directory as the music or the parent directory
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17:45:54ice8lueah ok, thx
17:46:14ice8lue=/ this will be a lot of fun to convert all of these jpgs....^^
17:46:26bluebrotherhmm. Do we want any dependency on the itunesdb?
17:46:33chrisjs169there's probably a batch converter somewhere
17:46:42bluebrotherIMO we should reject FS #5942 −− any comments?
17:47:30JdGordonyep.. go for it
17:47:41JdGordonout db > itdb :D
17:48:19chrisjs169yay, two mins compile time for a color sim
17:48:41linuxstbbluebrother: I'm not sure. I personally don't want to touch the itunesdb, but on the other hand, I can see why people who use itunes and the Apple firmware would want that feature.
17:48:44ender`are there any plans to include apev2 tag support on mp3 files?
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17:49:58markunender`: there has been a patch for years
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17:50:11ender`markun: i know, i'm using it
17:50:21markunbut I think the idea is to avoid having multiple taggin systems for a format
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17:50:32ccitthey all
17:50:39markunjust as oggvorbis with id3v2 is nut supported
17:50:59ender`well, vorbis has built-in tagging, but mp3 doesn't
17:51:09linuxstbender`: Also, it can't be done cleanly until at least the id3 parsing code is moved from firmware/ into apps/ with the rest of the metadata parsing code.
17:51:28ccittis there a quick checklist of things i need for a cross-compile setup on linux to start working with the latest svn sources for arm/ipod5g?
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17:51:41ender`which reminds me, what tags are supported on mpc files?
17:52:01ice8lueare there any plans to include some kind of party mode to rockbox so it plays randomly chosen songs without having the user to change the play options? i think this would be a quiet good feature
17:52:18linuxstbccitt: Just the ARM versions of gcc and binutils. Plus the usual tools such as make, perl, bash etc
17:52:30nlsice8lue: we have shuffle
17:52:33ccittso no weird libs or anything?
17:52:42linuxstbccitt: No, Rockbox is completely self-contained.
17:52:50ccittthanks linuxstb
17:52:54bluebrotherlinuxstb, I can see those reasons too. But do we really want to have something like that in Rockbox? I don't think anyone wants to touch the itunesdb ;-)
17:53:05ccitti know i dont
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17:53:09ice8luenls: yes but this needs changing options twice^^ ppl are lazy
17:53:11linuxstbbluebrother: "Rockbox" could also include Rockbox Utility...
17:53:31ccittdoes anyone know if the following have been fixed in ipod5g (im using october 2006 binary on mine):
17:53:33bluebrotherhmm. Good point.
17:53:39ccittbattery maxing out at 75%
17:53:40Domonokyccitt: and you can get the needed crosscompileres via in the tools dir..
17:53:47ccittand no usb worky except in ipiod fw?
17:53:53nlsice8lue: you could also create a long shuffled playlist, and start that
17:54:01ender`damnit, the batteries in my mouse are empty, and i forgot to charge the replacements :p
17:54:04ccittoh sweet - i was just gunna apt-get or compile them myself
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17:54:53ccitthmmm - i should look into porting a python interpreter onto the rockpod ;)
17:55:00nlsccitt: the script will download the sources and build the right crosscompilers
17:55:45ccitti keep finding myself getting aggrivated at quirks in my older copy of the binaries, then i realizzed "wait! im a programmer! duh.."
17:56:15nlsa lot has happened since october...
17:56:20ccittnot much - minor instabilities in my build mainly
17:56:24ccitti know
17:56:29ccittim first guna try the latest
17:56:40ccittbut i do have some ideas for patches ifd like to try out on mine
17:56:59ccittim sure most of the instabilities are already gone
17:57:27linuxstbccitt: If you're upgrading from an old version of Rockbox, you'll probably need to upgrade the bootloader as well.
17:57:37ccittwill i? ok
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17:57:58linuxstbIt's easy now though - just download ipodpatcher and run it. Links and instructions are in the manual.
17:58:26ccittoh - ok (didnt really call it hard before ;)
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18:01:18chrisjs169what kind of bandwidth could i expect by letting rockbox use my computer for builds?
18:02:37nlschrisjs169: builds are about 2mb in size and an average of maybe 10 are made each day, and only the target bulds are sent back, svn updates are probably pretty small
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18:03:18chrisjs169so it wouldn't be too bad?
18:04:49nlsI'd guess the used bandwith is very little maybe 5mb down 20mb up or so
18:04:52nlsper day
18:06:14nlsif you are concerned you can ask bagder to only let your server do sim and bootloader builds, they are not sent back to the master server
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18:11:20chrisjs169i'm not too concerned, but I only have 49 kb/s up, so i wasn't sure if it'd be fast enough
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18:12:13linuxstb49 kbits or kbytes?
18:13:38linuxstbThen I think that's OK - it's probably about average.
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18:15:40chrisjs169what's the minimum limitation for ram? I've got 512 MB in it now, but can add a gig more
18:16:43linuxstbchrisjs169: Have you read the wiki page?
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18:17:30chrisjs169linuxstb: yeah, I have it open now. it didn't mention anything about ram though, so I wanted to make sure
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18:25:05chrisjs169linuxstb: ok
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18:41:08ice8luehey...its me again...
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18:42:05ice8lue(album art problem) i did exactly what was said in the wiki.... converted all cover.jpg's into bmp files and placed them in their album-directory. but the themes still dont show them
18:42:27bluebrotherRockbox doesn't support album art. You need a patched build
18:42:33ice8luei got one
18:42:43ice8luealso the theme has aa enabled
18:45:09markunice8lue: maybe ask the guy who made the build or the patch
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18:46:16ice8luechrisjs169: could u help me?
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18:48:24chrisjs169ice8lue: yeah, give me a minute to read through everything
18:48:41chrisjs169(more like 10 lines....didn't miss much)
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18:49:35chrisjs169ice8lue: I've never really used album art before, so let me check and see if it works on my sansa
18:50:25*ender` doesn't have any bandwidth usage concerns about his server - the link is currently 10/2, and will soon be 10/10 :)
18:52:06ice8lueah, i got it...just the resolution of the pics was too high
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18:53:15chrisjs169ah, ok. just noticed that mine was working, so was starting to wonder why yours wasn't
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18:57:25ice8luethx anyways
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19:10:17ccittwhere can i create an account to check in patches to svn?
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19:10:42nlsccitt: you can't make one yourself
19:10:52ccittwhere do i request one then?
19:10:53nls"the swedes" are the ones that can
19:10:56Domonokyccitt: you put patches on flyspray, and nag devs to commit it here :-)
19:11:05ccittfair nuff
19:11:21ccittwell i guess ill wory about the details when i have the patches to submit ;)
19:12:01nlsDevelopers that post good patches usually get svn access sooner or later
19:12:11JetonThe latest build doesn't have on sansa. Is this because of the server downtime?
19:12:14ccitti see - thats cool
19:13:58nlsJeton: yes, the buildsystem is hug
19:14:19Jetonokay ,thanks.
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19:15:05JetonAnd thank you jdgordon, for accepting my feature request.
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19:18:54Hilikuswhy isnt the custom line patch commited? it sounds like a great patch
19:19:15Hilikusits so out of sync that its not even funny. im trying to sync it
19:20:14ccittcustom line patch?
19:25:48bluebrotherwhat custom line?
19:26:13bluebrotherthere are a couple of patches that look nice first, but they solve a problem the wrong way
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19:28:28The-CompilerWhat is rbutil?
19:28:54Nico_PThe-Compiler: it's a program that helps install and uninstall rockbox
19:30:14The-CompilerAhh, rbutil means Rockbox utility
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19:35:16bluebrotherThe-Compiler, hows the podcast thingy going?
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19:41:11Hilikusbluebrother: why the wrong way?
19:41:17Hilikusbecause they break something else?
19:41:33Hilikusand i was talking about this
19:41:48Hilikusthats the only patch ive seen to customize lines, is there a better one?
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19:42:40bluebrotherHilikus, that patch will be obsolete (at least the positioning part) when viewports come in
19:42:53Hilikusi think by now rb should have already a builtin way to change colors+fonts
19:42:54bluebrotherand viewports have been agreed upon to be a good thing
19:43:00Hilikusoooh ok
19:43:03Hilikusthat i didnt know
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19:43:12bluebrotheralso, that task cumulates a couple of patches in one
19:43:15Hilikusi dont even know what they do, where can i read about thum
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19:43:33Hilikusand whens the ETA
19:43:39bluebrotherand a patch (to get a chance for inclusion) should always address only one thing
19:43:44bluebrotherwe don't estimate times
19:43:57Hilikusoh i see now why it wasnt included
19:44:08Hilikusthanks for clarifying
19:44:44Hilikusohh i think i did read about viewports, arent they like a new way to package wps without using line parsing?
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19:45:59bluebrotherHilikus, check this page:
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19:47:47Hilikusit sounds like java layouts
19:48:41bluebrotherpossibly. The exact way how viewports should work is documented in amiconn's head, so don't take that page too literally
19:48:56Hilikusso you said you dont have estimate times, what defines the amount of work into it?
19:49:35bluebrotherthe thing is that people will work on features when they want, not when somebody would like a feature
19:49:43Hilikusthat makes sense
19:49:50bluebrotherso there are no time estimates when someone will start working on it.
19:50:04bluebrotheraccording to amiconn implementing viewports wouldn't be too hard.
19:50:14Hilikusand there are no teams but one guy in charge of it it seems?
19:50:24bluebrotherbut he might be the better person to talk to about viewport details
19:50:34Hilikuscool, thanks for the info
19:50:46bluebrotherno −− it's like anybody could start working on it
19:51:08bluebrotherbut most devs don't consider it important or have other priorities
19:51:28bluebrotherand it of course also depends on what parts of the code a dev knows.
19:51:38Hilikusthat makes sense too, these are just nice guys spending time in a cool project
19:52:02bluebrotheryes −− that's the way most open source projects work
19:53:01Hilikussomeone should pay the rb devs, its a really powerful project
19:53:32bluebrotherthat won't change much. But you are free to donate some money to the project ;-)
19:53:38HellDragonscorche: yeah you were right it takes like 2 years to compile rockbox in cygwin
19:54:04Hilikusprobably the dap companies arent willing to have a fw replace their own after spending money and personel on developing them
19:55:12bluebrotherI think cheap pirate copies of their product is much more an issue
19:55:49Hilikusare there??
19:55:53bluebrotherlook at it the other way round: if I go out buying an mp3 player I'll look if it's Rockbox-capable
19:55:56Hilikusive never seen a pirate copy of a dap
19:56:15Hilikustrue, thats why i have an iaudio x5
19:56:25bluebrotherso companies building such players have another kind of market −− even if I don't like the OF I would buy the hardware itself
19:56:35Hilikusthats what i did
19:56:38bluebrotherthere are loads of cheap ipod copies around
19:56:50Hilikushehe never seen them
19:56:57bluebrotherthey looks slightly different, are much cheaper but work completely different.
19:56:58Hilikusthen again i live in canada
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19:57:11bluebrotherjust ask ebay −− just noticed one yesterday
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20:00:17bluebrotherit's usually daps that have an image looking like an ipod but not titled ipod. Just imagine how much people will buy it thinking they got a cheap ipod ...
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20:12:29Hilikusare the svn servers up again?
20:13:24nlsHilikus: svn is up it's the build system that is hung
20:13:42Hilikusoh ok, i just need to check out the code
20:13:52ender`only the builds page apparently
20:13:55markunmoos: my condolences
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20:38:51BRi7Xhmm, i'm leaning towards getting either a toshiba gigabeat x or a cowon iaudio x5... i can't decide which... both are rockbox supported, both have pretty "ownage" features... but i can't decide which... any suggestions?
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20:40:53markunBRi7X: what would be the reasons to choose either one?
20:41:02markundo you want recording or radio?
20:41:09BRi7Xooh, one supports recording?
20:41:22markunyes, the X5 has radio and recording
20:41:22BRi7Xwhich one has recording?
20:41:30markunthe Gigabeat has neither
20:42:25BRi7Xi don't really care about radio, but recording would be nice however...
20:42:27markunfor video playback and games the Gigabeat is better I think
20:42:43markunbecause the X5 screen is quite low res
20:43:36BRi7Xwhich is rockbox better for? if any... also, which has easier to use controls, more durability (i'm quite clumsy) etc.
20:44:02markunboth lack in controls a bit
20:44:13markunI didn't hear good things about the joystick of the X5
20:44:33markunand many people find the touchpad of the Gigabeat a bit strange (at least at first)
20:45:09markunI don't know which is more durable, maybe moos knows (he has both)
20:45:31markunrockbox runs well on both
20:45:34Aloneathe touchpad does take getting used to, but as long as you remember that you don't have to press it hard, it gets easier
20:45:49markunyes, true
20:46:06markunI really like that it's so silent, compared to my iriver h120 at least
20:46:06BRi7Xstranger than the ipod touch wheel?
20:46:33markunBRi7X: well, it's just a plastic cross which you can touch
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20:46:50BRi7Xhmm, christian propaganda?
20:47:07markunnot really :)
20:47:30Soapccitt: battery maxing out at 75% is most likely a problem with your physical battery.
20:48:21BRi7Xhaha, well i guess it's a step out of the ipod world... question about the file transfer... ipod acted like a removable hard drive when plugged into a usb port. i could see it in explorer (a dell dj and a creative jukebox i had from the past did not do that)... does the gigabeat x or iaudio x5 do that? (integration with explorer)
20:48:43markunyes, both act as normal removable drives
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20:49:25chrisjs169Bagder: you on?
20:50:18markunBRi7X: did you find a place to buy a Gigabeat X?
20:50:20BRi7Xhmm, this is going to be one hell of a decision... do i want bigger screen or recording capabilities... i guess i could check which is more expensive
20:50:49BRi7Xno, are they rare? i did see a iaudio x5 on newegg i think
20:51:00SoapBRi7X: iPod 5th gen has both the big screen and the recording. ;)
20:51:00markunX is very rare
20:51:02markunF not so
20:51:22markunbut is not one of the best rockbox targets
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20:52:56BRi7Xthe ones on newegg don't say which gigabeat it is... they give a different number
20:55:06markunI hope it's not a gigabeat S then..
20:55:11markunbecause it's not supported
20:55:14markundo you have a link?
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20:57:10markunBRi7X: MEGF = F MES = S
20:57:19markunMES doesn't work with rockbox
20:57:46markunI always thought the S was called MEG-S
20:58:36markunBRi7X: $215 for a Gigabeat F40 is too much
20:58:46markunthey can be found on ebay for $100
20:59:44BRi7Xyeah they don't even have the X it seems
20:59:58markunno, you can only find them in Japan and Australia
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21:00:45BRi7Xoh damn... i guess this is leaning towards an iaudio x5 now
21:05:08markunBRi7X: or.. look for an even nicer player and start a new rockbox port! :)
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21:08:16BRi7Xhaha, i'm no programmer...
21:08:31AloneaI am just happy with my gigabeat F40. *huggles it lovingly* does everything I could ever want it to. i don't need recording for it or radio.
21:09:03markunBRi7X: hey the people who started the project can't program either :)
21:09:49*markun isn't a big fan of radio either
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21:10:33markunmostly because there are no nice channels in the ether
21:10:49AloneaI live in a city where our choices are tejano, rap, more rap, crappy alternative rock, and sometimes good old rock...
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21:11:39BRi7Xyeah, the music i'm into (european power metal) isn't really popular in the usa... so having a nice 30GB semi-full of it, with room for more crap would be quite nice...
21:12:16Aloneajapanese metal for me along with all my other strange music that confuses my friends.
21:12:36markunno metal here
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21:13:34Aloneadidnt see you as the metal type markun. though I don't listen to it that often either. Just when I feel like it. ^__^
21:13:36markunbut there is too much talking and commercials on the radio
21:15:02Aloneaoh yes...I despise commercials. and I don't want to pay for XM or Sirius, especially when I got a nice cd player in my car with an AUX port for my mp3 player (yay! no going through radio!)
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21:15:34markunBRi7X: btw, did I tell you the video playback on the Gigabeat is quite nice.. :)
21:16:34Aloneaoh yes...wonderful video playback. I was bored and put all 3 extended versions of LOTR on it.
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21:18:46markunI was thinking about that too :)
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21:18:53markunbut will wait for seeking support
21:19:07markunhi bishillo
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21:19:20bishilloRockbox rocks!
21:19:34bishilloThe interface is amazing...
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21:20:03bishilloBut now I didn't manage to connect it trought USB...
21:20:19markunbishillo: which player?
21:20:21BRi7Xso, gigabeat would be the way to go? gigabeat f? or is that a tad too pricy for a jobless 18 year old stilli nhighschool?
21:20:33bishilloIt says: [ 1056.244000] usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 10
21:20:33bishillo[ 1061.652000] usb 1-1: device not accepting address 10, error -71
21:20:40bishilloIt's a 30 Gb model
21:20:58markun30GB what?
21:21:04bishilloI have tried several times... I have found some suggeestions to remove the ...
21:21:11bishillosorry... it's a video 30 gb
21:21:14toffe82BRi7X: it is between 80 and 130$ for a F40
21:21:35toffe82BRi7X: 130 for a new one
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21:21:56bishilloI have tried with ehci and uhci
21:22:12BRi7Xwould you say it's better than an ipod5g? (or an iaudiox5) (i'm trying to get as many opinions as i can get)
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21:22:29bishilloBut it's still not beign recogniced, so I can't access the device...
21:22:47toffe82BRi7X: I have only players from toshiba so I can't say
21:23:09bishilloThe ipodpacher as any option to bood the original firmware?
21:23:14BRi7Xbut you do like it, right?
21:23:21markunbishillo: just a hint, if you don't say 'ipod' we don't know it's an ipod :)
21:23:33bishillomarkun: wops... sorry :)
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21:24:18waf3rhello all, I have an h10 - 20gb iriver can anyone tell me if the FM radio functionality is included in the latest build?
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21:25:06markunbishillo: there is some key combination to get the ipod into disc mode (but I don't know which)
21:25:18markunshould be in the IpodFAQ wiki page on the rockbox site
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21:25:31bishillomarkun: it's already booting rockbox...
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21:25:51toffe82BRi7X: yes I like it and for the price it is a really good deal
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21:26:20toffe82BRi7X: you are in europ ? I think it is difficult to find them there
21:26:21bishilloHi again... I was disconnected...
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21:26:56bishillomarkun: the ipod already boots with rockbox
21:27:05bishilloRockbox it's not always in disk mode?
21:27:37markunbishillo: it should go to disk mode from rockbox yes
21:27:40TrueJournalswaf3r: No, rockbox doesn't have FM support on the H10 yet...
21:28:08waf3rTrue: ok thanks any plans to have it?
21:28:37TrueJournalswaf3r: Yes, but who knows when they'll get it working
21:28:39bishilloso... It should be detected, and get an usb address...
21:29:04bishilloDon't tell me I have broken it...
21:29:10chrisjs169where can I find
21:29:12markunbishillo: did it work before installing rockbox?
21:29:57BRi7Xtoffe82: sorry my remote desktop got disconnected again, but as i was saying, no, i'm in the USA, i just like euro power metal
21:30:10bishilloit's needed to be able to change the bootloader and put rockbox...
21:30:28waf3rTrueL: ok I can wait, =) must say I'm well impressed so far I wasn't expecting to have movies and games available when I bought the player
21:30:52toffe82BRi7X: ok
21:30:59TrueJournalsI can't wait either ;-)
21:31:15toffe82BRi7X: I am the official provider of gigabeat for rockbox ;)
21:31:44BRi7Xtoffe82: nice to meet you!
21:31:53waf3rsorry for the question but whats gigabeat?
21:32:12markunwaf3r: an mp3 player by Toshiba
21:32:24markunalso supported by rockbox (at least the F and X)
21:33:18Aloneawaf3r: its lovely. google it. though the original firmware is quite lacking...I have a GB F-40
21:33:26markunBRi7X: he buys Gigabeats which looks like someone drove a truck over them and combines them into a working one :)
21:33:41*amiconn now thinks the gigabeat has 2 advantages (regarding rockbox) over the ipods
21:33:54toffe82markun: don't kill my business ;)
21:33:58markunamiconn: I'm very curious :)
21:34:03amiconn(1) Slightly better documented hardware. (2) No nasty dual core
21:34:20markunamiconn: yes, I agree
21:34:42markuntoffe82: I tried to make a compliment
21:34:45waf3rah... I see, really I never even thought most of the things I can do now were even possible, I bought the h10 mainly for its built in radio and recording capabilities I will defiantly be making donations
21:35:21waf3rnext step will be to squeeze in a bigger HD I think =)
21:36:08toffe82amiconn: we have all the datasheet for the F and soon the schematics
21:36:35markuntoffe82: just the LCD driver IC..
21:36:40amiconnDo you know the lcd controller type meanwhile, and is there a datasheet?
21:36:44chrisjs169where can I find
21:37:13toffe82amiconn: sorry , I my mistake ;)
21:37:30toffe82except the lcd ;)
21:38:08waf3rgigabear is nice :)
21:38:21markunamiconn: there is a patch for sleeping support rockbox rockbox on the gigabeat which includes LCD init code, but I didn't look at it and suspect it's just copied from the OF.
21:38:32amiconnOh, I forgot another advantage: the trusty usb-ata bridge instead of software usb
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21:39:12markunamiconn: but of course the OF doesn't accept any files you copy over in UMS mode :)
21:39:33toffe82lunch time, see you later :)
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21:39:46amiconnBlah, do we care what the OF does? ;)
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21:40:34markunamiconn: I only care becaue in this case rockbox makes the player a lot better
21:40:44bishillomarkun: any suggestion for the connectivity problem?
21:40:49markunthe difference for the X5 is not so big from what I heard
21:40:57amiconnImho it does so on all our targets, otherwise it wouldn't exist...
21:41:03markunbishillo: no, sorry
21:41:25markunbishillo: do you have another PC to try on?
21:41:25amiconnOn X5: Longer runtime, more supoorted formats, *wav recording*, ...
21:41:35waf3roh yeah I knew there was something else I was going to ask. is it possible to have a background picture, is that a theme thing?
21:41:46amiconnIt's simply silly that the iaudio OF only records to mp3...
21:41:58markunamiconn: Gigabeat, not possible to put music on it unless you have windows.. :)
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21:42:14amiconn...and there is another silly limitation in that the recorded files are limited to 512MB
21:42:15bishillomarkun: I have two linux machines...
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21:42:30bishilloI will try tomorrow with a windows one at the office
21:42:41markunbishillo: both with the same problem?
21:42:47waf3r512MB is not that much of a limitation =)
21:42:52amiconnmarkun: I do have windows, so no problem on that side. But even the I love to have flexibility
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21:43:16bishillomarkun: yeah... same problem :(((
21:43:23*amiconn chose his first MP3 player with the main criterium being USB MSD support
21:43:32markunbishillo: did you try to reboot into disk mode?
21:43:51Aloneamarkun: gigabeat X right? thats the one thats windows only?
21:43:52markunshould be in the IpodFAQ wiki
21:43:56waf3rI can only get my h10 to work in disk mode but its not that big an issue really
21:43:59amiconn...because I had no windows pc, linux pc or mac at that time. Only an Amiga with an USB card
21:43:59bishilloI have rebooted the machine... but it juast load rockbox
21:44:06markunAlonea: and F
21:44:07bishillois there any other way?
21:44:22markunAlonea: or what do you mean?
21:44:28Jetonis this going to be added as a patch?
21:44:38Aloneamarkun: F-40? I have my F-40 on linux all the time.
21:44:49markunbishillo: yes, there is a key combo
21:44:50JetonBecause it needs some imporvements. The scrollwheel isn't calibrated correctly
21:45:04Jetonyou need to scroll 3-4 times for a line to change.
21:45:10chrisjs169Jeton: it's already a patch...
21:45:16JetonBy default it should be one scroll, one line.
21:46:04bishillomarkun: whoooho!
21:46:08bishilloit worked...
21:46:16Aloneamarkun: you mean connecting the usb and transferring files right?
21:46:19bishilloSet + Play just after reboot...
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21:46:36bishillothanks a lot!
21:46:44markunAlonea: files which you actually can play..
21:46:51bishilloI was scared of brickified my ipod
21:46:52markunbishillo: no problem
21:46:54Jetonchrisjs169: but there's not post about it on the patches.
21:47:07Jetonor i'm having trouble understanding the name
21:47:17Jetoni wanted to comment about those issues i mentioned above
21:47:26Jetonbut i don't know where to post
21:47:39Aloneamarkun: yeah. I added music recently and its fine. I hears it was just the X that could not connect to Linux. F series is fine
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21:47:49JetonOpening a new Feature request for a feature that has been accepted doesn't make sense.
21:48:12markunAlonea: but you used rockbox, right?
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21:48:48markunAlonea: I was talking about the OF
21:49:23Aloneamarkun: oh, are you talking about with the original firmware? Oh, ok. yeah, have no idea if you could wine it or not..
21:49:31chrisjs169Jeton: sorry, didn't realize it was a Feature request and not a patch
21:49:45markunAlonea: well, it's possible now with gphoto, but not when I started the port
21:50:24Jetonchrisjs169: no problem. I'm the one confused by all these terms ;)
21:51:01waf3ryou know I was thinking, if you have a line-in would it be possible to make a fully functioning oscilloscope?
21:51:13Aloneamarkun: gphoto? it will encode the files into the .sat then?
21:51:24Aloneamarkun: not that I would ever do it.
21:52:18markunAlonea: yes, but only with the cradle
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21:54:53lexincHey, I'm having a problem installing rockbox bootloader.
21:55:30lexincit gives me an error message that says : cannot execute binary file
21:55:41lexincthis is for the sansa e250
21:55:45Aloneamarkun: still have cradle sitting on a table not being used. interesting though. of course any poor linux person who actually manages to use the OF on linux without knowing about rockbox would be very depressing indeed.
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21:57:18markunAlonea: btw, also the X should work with rockbox and linux
21:57:36chrisjs169lexinc: do you have sansa.mi4 on your sansa?
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21:57:51chrisjs169lexinc: wait, installing the bootloader?
21:57:53lexincI installed the .rockbox file
21:58:08lexincit has it inside the folder
21:58:10chrisjs169lexinc: what are you using to install the bootloader?
21:58:34lexincterminal program to install (ubuntu)
21:58:42Aloneamarkun: i dont remember who said, but it was something to do with the usb on one of the gigabeats that would not work (probably works now.) with linux...not all usb tech savvy. know more about software than hardware
21:58:51chrisjs169lexinc: what command?
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21:59:22chrisjs169ok, hold on
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22:00:52simmelI have an iAudio X5L and I'm setting Battery Capacity setting to 2250mAh but still it says 10hrs left on battery when the battery actually is out.
22:02:52chrisjs169lexinc: sorry, I can't figure out what's causing it
22:03:08lexincchrisjs169: thanks for trying
22:03:40chrisjs169try recompiling it....that error message isn't from sansapatcher
22:05:16lexincrecompile the sansapatcher? okay
22:05:57waf3roh yeah I knew there was something else I was going to ask. is it possible to have a background picture, is that a theme thing?
22:06:33chrisjs169lexinc: yeah
22:06:55lexincchrisjs169: hey, maybe 32bit version will work
22:07:06TrueJournalswaf3r: That is a theme thing, but you can also use a bmp file that is the size of your screen. Then, browse to it, hold "O" until the menu comes up, and choose "Set as backdrop"
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22:07:57waf3rah excellent, thanks TJ
22:08:23TrueJournalsNo problem
22:08:35waf3ris there a theme editor software or is it manually done atm?
22:08:54lexincOh hey it works now.
22:09:02chrisjs169lexinc: ok
22:09:12TrueJournalsThemes are usually made manually I believe
22:09:30chrisjs169They can be edited via rockbox though
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22:09:41waf3rI'll have to get photoshop out then :)
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22:33:37chrisjs169where can I get the public key for the build servers?
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22:56:31linuxstb_chrisjs169: You should talk to Bagder about getting your build server added.
22:59:44simmelI have an iAudio X5L and I'm setting Battery Capacity setting to 2250mAh but still it says 10hrs left on battery when the battery actually is out.
23:00:04simmel*rinse, repeat*
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23:05:16petursimmel: runtime indication is far from correct if not calibrated correctly for your target. there have been talks about removing it, so don't mind/use that indicator
23:06:44Soapsimmel: clarify what you mean by battery being "out". Do you mean the battery is physically removed from the player - or that the battery is of very low charge?
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23:07:52amiconnBattery percentage on X5(L) and M5(L) is calibrated, runtime estimation is not (yet)
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23:14:06simmelSoap Battery beeing out of power. I can't remove the battery.
23:14:28simmelpetur "It worked before" IIRC.
23:14:36Soapwhat percentage does Rockbox show shortly before it dies?
23:14:53chrisjs169linuxstb_: talking to Bagder now
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23:15:04*petur doesn't use runtime estimation
23:16:06simmelSoap Uhm, I didn't take notice of that, but 10hrs that I remember. I have set the Battery Capacity setting to what the iAudio X5L has.
23:16:45simmelamiconn Ok, I
23:16:58simmelamiconn Ok, I'll add another skin which takes use of the percentage then.
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23:23:17amiconnsimmel: Even with runtime estimation not properly calibrated, it should show something near zero before shutting down
23:24:28amiconnWith the uncalibrated runtime estimation on X5 (L), 10 hours for an X5L mean that around 2/3 of the battery capacity should be still available...
23:24:32*Bagder disables the two slowest build servers
23:24:46amiconnBagder: Which are? and
23:25:25Bagderboth used > 300 second for a single build
23:25:28linuxstb_Bagder: I was about to ask you about slappy...
23:25:56amiconnBah, the new server has that buggy native gcc
23:26:10amiconn(the one that throws warnings in synth.c for correct code)
23:26:15Bagderyes, it looks like the same problem we've seen before
23:26:42amiconnYes, the bad dev snapshot of 4.1.2 (reporting itself as 4.1.1)
23:26:58amiconndebian had that 9 months ago or so....
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23:30:51Bagderender` is the owner of that server
23:31:24webguest78Hi, is it possible to change the background in rockbox (for Ipod)?
23:32:05linuxstb_webguest78: Yes. Which ipod do you have?
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23:33:24webguest78I have an 5.5G video
23:33:29ender`Bagder: problems?
23:33:38Bagderender`: just your native compiler being silly
23:34:34linuxstb_webguest78: Then you need to create a 320x240 bmp file, copy it to the .rockbox/backdrops/ folder on your ipod, browse to it in the file browser, hold down SELECT to bring up the context menu, then choose "Set as backdrop".
23:34:50Bagderender`: that's a gcc 4.1.2 snapshot isn't it?
23:35:03ender`not according to gentoo
23:35:33moosmarkun :yup :-( that's a national drama, and for 5 years
23:35:35webguest78aah ok tyvm *hug*
23:36:19Bagderender`: oh, well the warning we see there are no longer appearing with later versions of gcc anyway
23:36:26pixelma[23:26:44] <amiconn> Yes, the bad dev snapshot of 4.1.2 (reporting itself as 4.1.1) (?)
23:36:37ender`i could upgrade to 4.1.2
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23:36:59ender`gentoo does add quite a few patches to gcc
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23:43:17Bagderwe got those warnings in the past when we used some particular debian unstable gcc version
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23:49:38H10_007quickI'm working with an old patch and am wondering were the code for apps/menu_settings.c went?
23:49:44H10_007quickIs it just gone?
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23:52:37linuxstb_Maybe apps/menus/settings_menu.c ?
23:53:27H10_007quickthank you!
23:53:43ender`for gentoo, the gcc i'm using is considered stable
23:54:34H10_007quickOh and you know that little message that you always get that says "hit play to continue anything else is cancel" or somtihing like that, when you delete files and such. Where would the code for that be?
23:55:12ender`anyway, i'm off to bed, need to be up early tomorrow morning
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23:56:35peturH10_007quick: search for the srting in english.lang, then for the ID in the source tree
23:57:21linuxstb_It's probably gui/yesno.,c

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