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| 00:07:55 | H10_007quick | I'm interested in trying to fix that on the H10 you have to click the select button and not the play button for yes. Anyone have an idea were to start? |
| 00:12:14 | barrywardell_ | it's in the keymaps IIRC |
| 00:12:46 | barrywardell_ | apps/keymaps/keymap-h10.c |
| 00:12:53 | H10_007quick | what does IIRC stand for? |
| 00:12:58 | H10_007quick | i see now |
| 00:13:06 | H10_007quick | but just curious I see it around lots |
| 00:13:15 | scorche | if i recall correctly |
| 00:13:21 | linuxstb_ | H10_007quick: Do you want to change the keymap, or change the text displayed? |
| 00:13:34 | H10_007quick | well |
| 00:13:41 | H10_007quick | which would you suggest? |
| 00:13:52 | H10_007quick | prably the key map to stay consitent |
| 00:14:04 | H10_007quick | So that all the targets use play |
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| 00:14:51 | barrywardell_ | i think select feels right though... |
| 00:15:20 | H10_007quick | true |
| 00:15:28 | H10_007quick | so then the wording needs to change |
| 00:16:31 | H10_007quick | were would i change the wording? |
| 00:16:34 | * | bluebrother points to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acronyms_and_initialisms |
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| 00:17:36 | H10_007quick | bluebrother: thx |
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| 00:19:02 | H10_007quick | I see lots of functions but not any actuall wording in gui/yesno.,c |
| 00:19:36 | Domonoky | H10_007quick: i think its in the language files.. |
| 00:19:44 | TrueJournals | You're talking about when you delete a file or something? I thought it did say next... |
| 00:19:59 | H10_007quick | let me check |
| 00:20:10 | TrueJournals | Says next on mine |
| 00:20:18 | webguest78 | I've got a question: can you save the background you make in rockbox on an ipod? |
| 00:21:11 | H10_007quick | Says "play" on mine |
| 00:21:21 | TrueJournals | that's... odd... |
| 00:22:14 | TrueJournals | Do you have a 20 GB or 5/6 GB? |
| 00:22:34 | Domonoky | i think its a missing entry in the lang file.. |
| 00:22:52 | H10_007quick | 5 |
| 00:23:12 | TrueJournals | Hm, because I have a 20GB... so maybe it's just wrong on the 5/6 GB...? |
| 00:23:39 | TrueJournals | hmm... hold on a second... let me make sure it's not any of my patches... |
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| 00:24:22 | H10_007quick | found it |
| 00:24:34 | H10_007quick | h10: "NEXT = Yes" |
| 00:24:53 | linuxstb_ | H10_007quick: Look for LANG_CONFIRM_WITH_PLAY_RECORDER in apps/lang/english.lang - maybe change h10: to h10,h10_5gb. I'm not sure what the label for the 5GB will be... |
| 00:25:04 | TrueJournals | the 5/6 GB is referred to as h10_5gb |
| 00:25:12 | TrueJournals | What file did you find that in? |
| 00:25:33 | H10_007quick | apps/lang/english.lang |
| 00:26:23 | barrywardell_ | it looks like there are a few places in that file where that needs to be done |
| 00:27:12 | TrueJournals | maybe a find h10:, replace with h10,h10_5gb: is in order? |
| 00:27:23 | H10_007quick | Well, I will try to do it unless one of you wants to? |
| 00:27:25 | TrueJournals | That's the problem though, there's just no language string |
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| 00:27:40 | H10_007quick | will post a patch if I have suces |
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| 00:28:39 | barrywardell_ | yes, please |
| 00:29:08 | Jeton | Could someone please look into this http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/plugins/viewer.c?r1=13335&r2=13336 |
| 00:29:20 | Jeton | it has to do with scrolling text on sansa with the scrollwheel |
| 00:29:26 | Jeton | but |
| 00:29:33 | Jeton | the sensitivity isn't correct |
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| 00:29:59 | Viljar | Hello.. |
| 00:29:59 | webguest78 | can you save backgrounds you set on rockbox? |
| 00:30:00 | Jeton | instead of one scroll per line, you need to 3 or more scrolls per line. |
| 00:30:57 | linuxstb_ | webguest78: Do you mean keep the same backdrop after you reboot? |
| 00:31:04 | TrueJournals | webguest78: What do you mean? As far as I know, you can only set a background if you have the file... |
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| 00:32:15 | webguest78 | i mean, can you save, so that you have the same background after you reboot |
| 00:32:30 | linuxstb_ | webguest78: How do you normally reboot? |
| 00:32:40 | Jeton | anyone? |
| 00:32:52 | webguest78 | by pressing menu and select |
| 00:33:08 | linuxstb_ | webguest78: You should shut Rockbox down cleanly - a long press on PLAY/PAUSE. |
| 00:33:27 | webguest78 | oooh didnt know that, ill try ty |
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| 00:34:13 | webguest78 | hm it didn't save |
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| 00:34:57 | H10_007quick | barrywardell_: the problem is that the generic wording gets used because the H10 5/6gb is not specified |
| 00:35:05 | gh0st | hello, is anyone willing to help me with dual booting an iaudio X5? |
| 00:35:26 | linuxstb_ | webguest78: Where is your backdrop stored? Is it in .rockbox/backdrops/ ? |
| 00:35:40 | barrywardell_ | H10_007quick: does it not work to just change every instance of h10 to h10,h10_5gb? |
| 00:35:56 | H10_007quick | it says that the varialbe is found in the root make file |
| 00:36:02 | H10_007quick | where is this? |
| 00:36:05 | webguest78 | not really, because I can't browse there from filebrowser somehow |
| 00:36:17 | HellDragon | does rockbox have a serial port interface ? |
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| 00:36:30 | H10_007quick | # The target names used for target-specific strings are set in the ARCHOS |
| 00:36:30 | H10_007quick | # variable in the root Makefile |
| 00:36:55 | webguest78 | It's located in /mnt, if I'm not mistaken |
| 00:36:56 | barrywardell_ | it's in the tools/configure script |
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| 00:37:04 | H10_007quick | ah |
| 00:37:07 | barrywardell_ | the variable is h10_5gb |
| 00:37:09 | H10_007quick | so it would be |
| 00:37:12 | H10_007quick | ya |
| 00:37:18 | H10_007quick | so |
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| 00:37:36 | H10_007quick | h10_5gb needs to be added to the descriptions? |
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| 00:37:58 | linuxstb_ | webguest78: In the file browser, hold MENU until the "quick menu" comes up, then press PLAY to change the "show files" option to "all". |
| 00:38:12 | linuxstb_ | webguest78: You may also want to read the manual... |
| 00:38:51 | H10_007quick | there are no definitions for the h10_5gb |
| 00:39:09 | H10_007quick | but would it not be easier to just tell it to use the same as the h10 variale? |
| 00:39:35 | webguest78 | Sorry, i won't bother you anymore and thank you very much |
| 00:39:36 | barrywardell_ | yes, you can do that by just adding in ,h10_5gb after h10 |
| 00:39:54 | H10_007quick | oh i see |
| 00:40:01 | H10_007quick | ok will try that out |
| 00:40:13 | H10_007quick | thanks for the help |
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| 00:40:59 | HellDragon | does rockbox have a serial port interface ? |
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| 00:41:01 | linuxstb_ | HellDragon: Are you asking if Rockbox has a serial port driver? If so, which device? |
| 00:41:09 | HellDragon | yeah driver |
| 00:41:13 | HellDragon | ipod 5G |
| 00:41:23 | linuxstb_ | No. |
| 00:41:25 | HellDragon | :( |
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| 00:56:46 | markun | story about the iriver e10 with some Rockbox propaganda in the comments :) |
| 00:56:48 | markun | http://osnews.com/story.php/17860/Review-The-OGG-Compatible-iRiver-E10 |
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| 00:59:01 | scorche | i love it when they have a player that plays OGG and they make such a big deal about it =) |
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| 01:00:07 | markun | scorche: maybe we should post some stories about every DAP we support |
| 01:00:23 | markun | "old Toshiba player plays OGG!" |
| 01:00:37 | scorche | hehe |
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| 01:05:38 | H10_007quick | barrywardell_: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7123 there it is |
| 01:06:24 | H10_007quick | tried it out on mine and it works great though I was thinking it should be "select = yes" not "next = yes" right? |
| 01:06:42 | chrisjs169 | heh: Well in DAP land people try Rockbox (www.rockbox.org) - [...] .. some ipods, toshibas, irivers, iaudios, some sandas |
| 01:06:44 | H10_007quick | seems to me that that button is a select button not a next button? |
| 01:07:38 | H10_007quick | should i change that too? or no? |
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| 01:07:54 | barrywardell_ | I'm not sure |
| 01:08:04 | barrywardell_ | what does the manual refer to it as? |
| 01:08:08 | H10_007quick | I will leave it at that for now |
| 01:08:12 | H10_007quick | good thinking, |
| 01:08:14 | H10_007quick | I will look |
| 01:08:22 | barrywardell_ | I think we made a decision on what it would be called and the result went in to the manual |
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| 01:09:04 | H10_007quick | "select: |
| 01:09:16 | H10_007quick | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h10_5gb/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-190003 |
| 01:09:22 | H10_007quick | the picture |
| 01:09:50 | TrueJournals | Yeah, according to the manual, next makes it sound like the fast-forward button |
| 01:09:51 | H10_007quick | same for the 20gb |
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| 01:09:58 | H10_007quick | exactly |
| 01:10:15 | H10_007quick | should i change it to "select" |
| 01:10:24 | H10_007quick | I gues it would make sense |
| 01:10:27 | TrueJournals | I would say so |
| 01:10:44 | TrueJournals | Well, I gotta go... see ya |
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| 01:11:47 | H10_007quick | barrywardell_: what do you think? "select" or "next" |
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| 01:12:13 | barrywardell_ | yes, i think select |
| 01:12:20 | H10_007quick | k |
| 01:12:21 | barrywardell_ | to make it consistent with the manual |
| 01:12:25 | H10_007quick | I will do it now |
| 01:15:32 | H10_007quick | done |
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| 01:19:08 | digerati1338 | Ifter I run "svn update" do I have to re-apply patches or will they still be included? |
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| 01:20:22 | H10_007quick | they will still be included but might not work if there were changes to the patched file |
| 01:20:39 | digerati1338 | thnx |
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| 01:21:28 | H10_007quick | barrywardell_: does the rolo thing work with the H10? because when I click on a .mi4 file I always get : "chechsome error" |
| 01:22:30 | barrywardell_ | not right now |
| 01:22:38 | barrywardell_ | it won't be too hard to fix |
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| 01:22:43 | H10_007quick | should somthing be added to the manual? |
| 01:22:46 | barrywardell_ | when I get around to it |
| 01:23:11 | H10_007quick | should I make a patch to include a note that it doesn't work right now? |
| 01:24:33 | barrywardell_ | I think we would be better to get it working |
| 01:24:47 | barrywardell_ | I have a patch on my other computer that has it almost working again |
| 01:25:04 | barrywardell_ | I'll have a look at it again in the next couple of days |
| 01:25:09 | H10_007quick | ok |
| 01:27:59 | BRi7Xtra | oh this is a difficult decision still... i'm seeing many very mixed reviews for the gigabeat f and iaudio x5... still can't make up my mind |
| 01:28:54 | JdGordon | H10_007quick: are you hepdog on flyspray? |
| 01:29:00 | H10_007quick | ya |
| 01:29:14 | H10_007quick | why? |
| 01:29:28 | JdGordon | im looking at 7123, wouldnt it be beter to change h10 to h10* instead of affing h10_5gb? |
| 01:29:42 | markun | BRi7Xtra: mixed review of the gigabeat f with rockbox? |
| 01:29:46 | markun | or without? |
| 01:29:49 | H10_007quick | hmm i see your point |
| 01:29:53 | JdGordon | and if you want it commited put your full name in a comment.. (unless your in the credits already) |
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| 01:29:59 | Domonoky | wouldnt h10* also include the h100 ? |
| 01:30:04 | JdGordon | its after h100 so it should be fine |
| 01:30:06 | H10_007quick | yes it would |
| 01:30:07 | JdGordon | I think... |
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| 01:30:14 | H10_007quick | it is after |
| 01:30:25 | JdGordon | or would it need to be before to work? |
| 01:30:34 | H10_007quick | hmm |
| 01:30:55 | H10_007quick | well h10_5gb works good enough I think |
| 01:30:57 | barrywardell_ | i think it would be better to just leave it as h10,h10_5gb |
| 01:31:02 | H10_007quick | same |
| 01:31:08 | H10_007quick | easier to understand too |
| 01:31:19 | BRi7Xtra | well, i've heard the gigabeat f firmware reallllllly sucks (like ipod, but won't matter after rockbox)... i've heard that the controls for both are awful after a while (although i feel the same way for the ipod)... i've heard the iaudio x5 is durable compared to the gigabeat f, although the screen size may get to me after a while... so again it comes down to recording vs. screen... i don't know what to do |
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| 01:31:41 | BRi7Xtra | thinking of letting someone decide for me... |
| 01:32:02 | pixelma | JdGordon: there's a bug in the menus that appeared somewhen after april 27th (so maybe...): no menu items scroll anymore (all menus including context menus), browsers still work |
| 01:32:11 | markun | BRi7Xtra: Buy a Gigabeat :) |
| 01:32:16 | H10_007quick | name added |
| 01:32:24 | BRi7Xtra | gigabeat f? |
| 01:32:30 | markun | F40 |
| 01:32:51 | BRi7Xtra | the prophet has spoken.. i guess i'll get that then |
| 01:32:59 | BRi7Xtra | markun: what's your main reason though? |
| 01:33:01 | JdGordon | pixelma: can you put it on FS and assing it to me so i dont forget? Ill try to look tonight but dont know if ill have a chance |
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| 01:33:14 | markun | BRi7Xtra: it's my baby because I started the rockbox port :) |
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| 01:33:34 | pixelma | JdGordon: I guess amiconn will complain later today either way :P |
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| 01:33:42 | markun | and I use mine every day and am very happy with it |
| 01:33:57 | JdGordon | haha :) |
| 01:34:16 | JdGordon | you guys started noticing it on the archos did you? |
| 01:35:13 | pixelma | yeah, very noticeable on teh Player... (I don't have one...) ;) |
| 01:35:38 | BRi7Xtra | markun: well then, i guess i'll get the gigabeat |
| 01:35:38 | pixelma | but it's there on the other targets as well |
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| 01:35:56 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello. Does Rockbox support this MP3 player? |
| 01:35:58 | Dark_Apostrophe | http://www.pixmania.com/no/no/318257/art/archos/mp3-spiller-gmini-xs202s.html?srcid=1911 |
| 01:36:11 | markun | BRi7Xtra: I hope you will not be mad at me when you get it :) |
| 01:36:18 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm trying to find a 20gb one that isn't Apple, on which Rockbox will run... it's turning out to be surprisingly difficult. |
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| 01:36:46 | JdGordon | nothing wrong with ipods if your going to rockbox it anyway... |
| 01:36:46 | BRi7Xtra | ah, Dark_Apostrophe, markun told me to get the gigabeat f |
| 01:37:07 | BRi7Xtra | well i've broken a few ipods already, that's why |
| 01:37:27 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yeah, I've heard they suck |
| 01:37:31 | Dark_Apostrophe | Then there's the DRM issue |
| 01:37:34 | H10_007quick | Dark_apostrophe: there is a player by iriver called the H10, Comes in either 20gb or 5gb |
| 01:37:35 | Dark_Apostrophe | And the Crapple issue |
| 01:37:38 | bonbonthejon | Dark_Apostrophe: most of the players supported are no longer available |
| 01:37:45 | Dark_Apostrophe | H10_007quick: Ooh... sounds nice |
| 01:37:51 | H10_007quick | it is |
| 01:37:51 | markun | Dark_Apostrophe: DRM issue with what? |
| 01:37:55 | H10_007quick | i have a 5gb |
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| 01:38:07 | markun | there is also.. a Gigabeat F20 :) |
| 01:38:14 | H10_007quick | not as big of a screen as the ipods but hey |
| 01:38:25 | markun | and it comes with a big screen :) |
| 01:39:13 | Dark_Apostrophe | markun: Give money to apple = fund DRM |
| 01:39:30 | Dark_Apostrophe | Holy spork, the H10 is very expensive |
| 01:39:34 | markun | Dark_Apostrophe: but you get a DAP in return |
| 01:39:37 | Dark_Apostrophe | Twice the price of my Zen Touch |
| 01:39:50 | BRi7Xtra | well, all of those players support drm, so you're funding a different drm i guess no matter what |
| 01:39:50 | Dark_Apostrophe | markun: Not worth it. |
| 01:40:05 | markun | Dark_Apostrophe: you can have a Gigabeat F40 for about $100 on ebay |
| 01:40:12 | Dark_Apostrophe | markun: It's just like paying more for a computer, so long as you know the money doesn't go to Microsoft |
| 01:40:20 | Dark_Apostrophe | markun: It's a principle thing, not an economy thing |
| 01:40:32 | BRi7Xtra | markun: is porting rockbox to a player very difficult? |
| 01:40:47 | Dark_Apostrophe | I neither want a Microsoft tax, nor do I want to fund Apple's DRM. |
| 01:41:01 | markun | BRi7Xtra: depends on many factors, it took us a bit more than 1 year |
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| 01:41:35 | Dark_Apostrophe | markun: Aren't Toshiba's players almost identical with Microsoft's zunes? |
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| 01:41:56 | BRi7Xtra | their Gigabeat S is the loose basis for the Zune |
| 01:41:56 | markun | Dark_Apostrophe: the Gigabeat S and V are very similar to the Zune |
| 01:42:00 | markun | the F is not |
| 01:42:28 | Dark_Apostrophe | Good.. I wouldn't want anyone mistaking a piece of my property for a MS product. |
| 01:42:53 | Dark_Apostrophe | There is no support for Creative players, right? |
| 01:43:15 | markun | no |
| 01:43:27 | markun | not yet(?) |
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| 01:44:42 | markun | Dark_Apostrophe: make sure you don't buy a player which supports WMA with DRM, because I'm sure some money you pay will go to MS |
| 01:44:43 | BRi7Xtra | in the vast computer world, one thing is certain: damned if you do, damned if you don't |
| 01:45:00 | linuxstb_ | Dark_Apostrophe: Or even plain WMA... |
| 01:45:09 | BRi7Xtra | Dark_Apostrophe: (which is anything that says PlaysForSure) |
| 01:45:12 | H10_007quick | how do I make patches for the manual? |
| 01:45:20 | Dark_Apostrophe | any recommendations? |
| 01:45:30 | H10_007quick | says "not a working copy" when I svn diff |
| 01:45:54 | markun | Dark_Apostrophe: it's pretty much impossible these days |
| 01:46:07 | markun | maybe some chinese player who don't care about licenses |
| 01:46:09 | digerati1338 | make sure the copy you are working on is the same one that is current svn |
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| 01:46:49 | H10_007quick | doesn't work |
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| 01:47:47 | BRi7Xtra | oh crap i have to restart this computer again (the one i was talking to you guys on earlier doesn't work anymore, totally broken now)... i'll be back in a few minutes |
| 01:47:52 | Dark_Apostrophe | markun: Anything I can do then? |
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| 01:48:47 | markun | Dark_Apostrophe: try to forget what happens to you money and just buy a nice player :) |
| 01:49:30 | Dark_Apostrophe | I can't! |
| 01:49:39 | Dark_Apostrophe | Meh... I'll just keep my Zen until it breaks. |
| 01:49:41 | chrisjs169 | this is probably rather far, but is it possible to have Rockbox execute a list of commands directly on a DAP? (sansa actually) |
| 01:49:52 | markun | Dark_Apostrophe: it doesn't play WMA? |
| 01:50:09 | Dark_Apostrophe | I don't know... Could care less, really |
| 01:50:13 | Dark_Apostrophe | Probably |
| 01:50:16 | linuxstb_ | Or support DRM? |
| 01:50:20 | Dark_Apostrophe | No idea |
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| 01:50:23 | Dark_Apostrophe | I bought it ages ago |
| 01:50:28 | Dark_Apostrophe | Before I cared about those things |
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| 01:52:37 | markun | linuxstb_: do you have a X5? |
| 01:53:03 | Dark_Apostrophe | linuxstb_: AAAAAAAA! I just misread your nickname as linuxstd |
| 01:53:12 | Dark_Apostrophe | (Sexually transmittable disease) |
| 01:53:21 | chrisjs169 | wow, that's different |
| 01:53:40 | linuxstb_ | markun: No, I've never seen one. |
| 01:53:50 | linuxstb_ | Dark_Apostrophe: Have you read this page? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide |
| 01:54:16 | Dark_Apostrophe | No |
| 01:54:48 | chrisjs169 | linuxstb_, I guess you'd know the answer to this...is it possible to have a Sansa (or any DAP really) 'execute' commands such as creating and renaming directories? |
| 01:54:52 | moos | markun: what's up with X5? |
| 01:55:31 | markun | moos: BRi7Xtra wanted to know how it compares to the Gigabeat because he doesn't know which one to buy |
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| 01:55:56 | linuxstb_ | chrisjs169: I don't understand the question. |
| 01:56:04 | moos | moos: depend and why you want one DAP, no? :) |
| 01:56:33 | markun | talking to yourself?? :) |
| 01:56:50 | markun | moos: he likes recording, but also likes a nice screen |
| 01:57:10 | moos | imho, X5 is still one of the best rockbox target for now, the little disadvantage is the subpack/cradle dependence |
| 01:57:18 | linuxstb_ | markun: There's also the h300 |
| 01:57:21 | moos | hehe, he have to buy both then ;) |
| 01:57:31 | moos | yup or h3xx indeed |
| 01:57:38 | BRi7Xtra | moos: would you recommend the gigabeat f over the iaudio x5? |
| 01:57:50 | Dark_Apostrophe | Looks like the iAudio X5L is the only option for me |
| 01:57:50 | markun | moos: what's better about the x5 compared to the h300? |
| 01:57:55 | Dark_Apostrophe | But it's ugly, and expensive |
| 01:57:58 | Dark_Apostrophe | :( |
| 01:58:07 | moos | depending on what do you prefer, exemple if radio and recording are really needed |
| 01:58:08 | markun | Dark_Apostrophe: just use your Zen man :) |
| 01:58:19 | Dark_Apostrophe | I will... |
| 01:58:24 | moos | the gigabeat is cheaper indeed |
| 01:58:24 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'll use it till it dies. |
| 01:58:25 | markun | moos: that's not possible with the h300? |
| 01:58:31 | moos | si si |
| 01:58:49 | moos | better screen with radio and recording |
| 01:58:57 | moos | and usb OTG |
| 01:59:12 | moos | but the X5 is smaller |
| 01:59:28 | moos | just a pocket format ;) |
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| 01:59:36 | chrisjs169 | linuxstb_: if there were several files or directories that needed to be created on the Sansa, would it be possible to do it through a script (much like a bash script on Linux, using mv and mkdir) |
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| 02:00:16 | linuxstb_ | chrisjs169: Why not just use a bash script on Linux, using mv and mkdir? |
| 02:01:23 | chrisjs169 | linuxstb_: I guess that'd work, I just wasn't sure if there was a way to do it right on the DAP |
| 02:02:16 | linuxstb_ | You mean write a script to be executed by Rockbox? |
| 02:02:34 | BRi7Xtra | moos: markun seems to prefer the gigabeat f... recording would be nice, but not necessary... hmm i wonder if there's a recording application for my DS (by the way, rockbox for nintendo ds would be superrrrr) |
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| 02:03:02 | moos | then go for a gigabeat |
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| 02:05:19 | moos | BRi7Xtra: for now, I personnaly use X5 for my daily use, but that pure taste question |
| 02:05:39 | digerati1338 | Does anyone know where the code for the rockbox file browser is located? |
| 02:05:50 | markun | BRi7Xtra: hm, we're not making it easy for you :) |
| 02:06:12 | digerati1338 | I'm trying out how to generate a list of selectable files and execute an action when one is picked. |
| 02:06:23 | markun | Dark_Apostrophe: apps/filetree.c I think |
| 02:07:25 | markun | digerati1338: that was for you |
| 02:07:30 | digerati1338 | looks like that's it |
| 02:07:49 | digerati1338 | i figured |
| 02:08:39 | markun | good night people |
| 02:08:51 | Dark_Apostrophe | markun: Huh? |
| 02:09:06 | moos | markun: bonne nuit |
| 02:09:43 | BRi7Xtra | hmm... |
| 02:10:04 | BRi7Xtra | moos: any specific reason why? |
| 02:10:38 | markun | Dark_Apostrophe: read the next line :) |
| 02:10:39 | moos | you mean comparing to my gigabeat? |
| 02:10:46 | BRi7Xtra | yes |
| 02:10:51 | markun | Dark_Apostrophe: was just the stupid auto completion |
| 02:11:36 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok |
| 02:14:42 | BRi7Xtra | i'll be right back, dinner. we'll discuss more afterwards.. moos, hold that thought. |
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| 02:15:00 | moos | BRi7Xtra: 1) I use my X5 since 1 year and something (at start of rockbox support for it), 2)the DAP is smaller, 3)I need radio for news, sports...., 4)60 GB versus 40 etc... |
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| 02:16:41 | moos | BRi7Xtra: 2h15 am here, then I will probably be sleeping when you'll back ;) (for logs) |
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| 02:20:11 | digerati1338 | What does the |= operator do? |
| 02:20:38 | linuxstb_ | x |= y is equivent to x = x | y |
| 02:20:44 | linuxstb_ | | is a bitwise OR. |
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| 02:28:28 | BRi7Xtra | moos: i'm back, if you're still here |
| 02:29:11 | moos | hehe, quick dinner :-) |
| 02:29:24 | BRi7Xtra | yep :) |
| 02:30:01 | moos | what do you want to know? |
| 02:31:40 | BRi7Xtra | well, i guess i just want somebody to make a decision for me... whether it be the iaudio x5 or the gigabeat f... i'm having a very difficult time deciding.. earlier i compared it to which version of pokemon to buy, but a lot harder |
| 02:32:09 | moos | at end that will be you that will buy, not us |
| 02:32:52 | BRi7Xtra | hmm |
| 02:32:54 | moos | both daps have good and bad points, and the most important, both support rockbox |
| 02:33:14 | moos | then if you don't care about radio/recording just go for a gigabeat |
| 02:33:27 | moos | if no, go for an x5 or iriver h3xx |
| 02:33:32 | BRi7Xtra | i think i'll flip a coin... best out of 7 |
| 02:33:44 | BRi7Xtra | well wait wait wait, what's a h3xx like? |
| 02:35:56 | BRi7Xtra | does either of the ones i've mentioned support usb charging? |
| 02:36:08 | moos | they do |
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| 02:37:00 | moos | look here for all supported models: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart |
| 02:37:10 | moos | with all specifications |
| 02:37:17 | BRi7Xtra | thank you |
| 02:37:18 | linuxstb_ | Bri7Xtra: I don't think you'll be disappointed with either the X5 or gigabeat - they're both well-regarded. |
| 02:37:24 | * | chrisjs169 is back |
| 02:37:42 | chrisjs169 | linuxstb_: yeah, a script executed by Rockbox |
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| 02:38:38 | webguest60 | chrisjs: Check your ABI branch thread... a couple of comments you might be interested in. |
| 02:39:49 | chrisjs169 | webguest60: I know, looking at them now |
| 02:40:03 | webguest60 | That's me. ;-) |
| 02:41:16 | moos | good night or whatever all |
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| 02:51:44 | mrk | Hm. |
| 02:51:46 | mrk | Sooooooo. |
| 02:51:51 | mrk | Most is well with rockbox... |
| 02:51:52 | mrk | but! |
| 02:51:57 | mrk | the two themes I downloaded.. |
| 02:52:07 | mrk | the now-playing screens look *nothing* like they look online |
| 02:52:10 | Hilikus | hey any idea what this is in a wps |
| 02:52:33 | BRi7Xtra | mrk: are the fonts the same? |
| 02:52:36 | scorche | mrk: then they likely contain an error |
| 02:52:42 | midkay | mrk: you might need a patched build. and please, if you could keep it to one concise line instead of six short split-up messages. |
| 02:52:42 | mrk | both of them? |
| 02:52:47 | scorche | and it loads the default WPS instead |
| 02:52:49 | Hilikus | %CfFFFFFF%s%al |
| 02:52:54 | mrk | will do. |
| 02:53:13 | mrk | scorche: sounds like a possibility. if I select, pixel, for example... |
| 02:53:18 | mrk | let me take a picture for you. |
| 02:53:19 | BRi7Xtra | Hilikus: the FFFFFF kind of looks like the html color code for black... hrmm |
| 02:53:52 | Hilikus | yes but i dont know, it actually appears in the screen |
| 02:54:05 | Hilikus | i think im missing a patch but i dont know which one |
| 02:54:16 | Hilikus | i know %C is the cover art tag |
| 02:54:23 | * | scorche goes and gets lunch |
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| 02:58:37 | mrk | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/WpsGigabeatF?rev=1;filename=pixelbeta8.png |
| 02:58:51 | mrk | that's what the theme is supposed to look like. mine looks like this: |
| 02:59:01 | mrk | http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/9886/rockboxpixel001fv9.jpg |
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| 03:03:04 | linuxstb_ | mrk: Your screenshot just shows the default Rockbox theme. Which means Rockbox has rejected the .wps file as invalid. |
| 03:03:31 | mrk | ah. |
| 03:04:04 | mrk | well, I'm using... something catcher right now; one that came on the player |
| 03:04:10 | mrk | so, any idea why it would be rejected? |
| 03:07:25 | digerati1338 | what is the difference between char and char*? |
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| 03:15:21 | Nico_P | digerati1338: char is a character whereas char* is a pointer to a char variable |
| 03:16:13 | Nico_P | mrk: WPS files are rejected when they have syntax erros |
| 03:16:17 | Nico_P | errors* |
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| 03:29:37 | mrk | why would it have a syntax error, though? |
| 03:29:58 | mrk | I unzipped the folders to the gigabeat, just as the instuctions (and everybody here) had told me to |
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| 03:34:41 | digerati1338 | mrk: most likely its an older wps and needs to be updated to work with current code. |
| 03:34:53 | mrk | ah. |
| 03:34:57 | mrk | so both are old... |
| 03:35:01 | mrk | tried Pixel and BeatMP |
| 03:35:07 | mrk | so I'll just grab some other ones and try |
| 03:35:28 | digerati1338 | It shouldn't be too hard to fix the code. WPSs are relatively simple. |
| 03:35:40 | Soap | Many WPSs have at least one problem. |
| 03:35:58 | Soap | there is work afoot to confont this enemy and challenge him head on. |
| 03:36:05 | Nico_P | mrk: for BeatMP I think the problem is the album art tags |
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| 03:39:00 | Nico_P | mrk: in pixel it'll be a problem too... maybe not the only one though |
| 03:39:09 | mrk | I'm going to try Sta... |
| 03:39:16 | mrk | it's pretty :P |
| 03:39:31 | Nico_P | that one works fine I think |
| 03:39:42 | mrk | a friend of mine uses it, and he's had no problems... |
| 03:39:44 | mrk | that I know of |
| 03:40:05 | Nico_P | you'll need to update the clock tag though |
| 03:40:19 | mrk | hm? |
| 03:40:51 | Nico_P | just replace "%c- k:M -c" by "%c- %ck:%cM -" |
| 03:40:59 | Nico_P | in the .wps file |
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| 03:45:14 | chrisjs169 | since linuxstb_ seems to be idle, I guess I'll ask again...is it possible to have a script executed by Rockbox? |
| 03:45:57 | aliask | chrisjs169: What kind of script? |
| 03:46:05 | Nico_P | chrisjs169: I don't think so... what sort of script would that be ? |
| 03:47:34 | chrisjs169 | aliask/Nico_P: mostly just 'simple' stuff such as moving folders or renaming them |
| 03:47:51 | Nico_P | you mean a shell script ? |
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| 03:48:23 | earHertz | /msg NickServ IDENTIFY kmckee |
| 03:48:23 | aliask | chrisjs169: Scripts as such aren't possible, but you could make a plugin which would do what you wanted (probably) |
| 03:48:29 | mrk | ahaha. |
| 03:48:33 | chrisjs169 | lol |
| 03:48:35 | maffe | k |
| 03:48:35 | mrk | poor guy :P |
| 03:48:41 | mrk | I would do it... |
| 03:48:41 | earHertz | erm |
| 03:48:46 | mrk | but I don't want to ruin my welcome :P |
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| 03:49:32 | scorche | (was that too mean? =P |
| 03:49:34 | chrisjs169 | earHertz: you may want to do /msg nickserv set password [newpass] |
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| 03:50:11 | scorche | earHertz_: sorry...i had to =P |
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| 03:50:31 | aliask | Haha, poor guy. |
| 03:50:37 | maffe | :( |
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| 03:51:03 | chrisjs169 | aliask: I've never made a plugin before...how exactly would I go about doing this? |
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| 03:51:36 | Nico_P | chrisjs169: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins |
| 03:51:39 | aliask | chrisjs169: You need to know how to compile rockbox from source, for starters |
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| 04:04:46 | Joely | hey, I'm just wanting some input on whether to make a codec or plugin for a {DAC,ADC} <-> infrared module..i know it works, i've tested it. i just need to make it more configureable at runtime. or maybe i need both? what i'm trying to do is have it be configured to a very large database of IR devices, and have a menu driven way of `pressing all the buttons!' |
| 04:05:29 | Joely | i thought it would be fun to have my sansa be a universal remote.. :) |
| 04:06:15 | Nico_P | Joely: you mean you have the actual code ? |
| 04:06:43 | aliask | Joely: That sort of thing sounds far more suited to be in a plugin. |
| 04:07:12 | aliask | Codecs are used in rockbox for playing back or recording audio. |
| 04:07:21 | Joely | really? i just didn't want to have to generate a database and download that to my sansa....of the sound files |
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| 04:07:39 | Joely | and the ir data _is_ a sound file ;) |
| 04:07:42 | aliask | Oh I see. |
| 04:07:57 | aliask | So you would have a folder full of "sound files" which output infrared. |
| 04:09:07 | Joely | i really didn't want that though...what i wanted is something like a compact text database that renders itself to sound files as it's parsed |
| 04:09:30 | Joely | that way i wouldn't have to take up so much space |
| 04:09:51 | Nico_P | I think a plugin would be better for this |
| 04:10:09 | aliask | I still think that a plugin would be more suited. Does the sansa have a built in IR transmitter or are you connecting one via the headphone port? |
| 04:10:25 | Joely | connecting one via the headphone jack |
| 04:10:58 | aliask | So you're not really losing anything by not being able to play audio while the IR codec is loaded. |
| 04:11:00 | Nico_P | sounds fun |
| 04:11:00 | Joely | i'm actually splitting it...so you can switch rapidly between ir and sound |
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| 04:11:33 | Nico_P | outputting audio data from a plugin isn't too hard I think |
| 04:11:46 | aliask | As long as it's PCM data |
| 04:12:14 | Soap | you going to sell these IR transmitters? |
| 04:12:28 | aliask | (by the way this project sounds damn cool) |
| 04:12:33 | Soap | aye |
| 04:12:34 | Nico_P | well it should be quite easy to have some sort of PCM <-> text command table |
| 04:12:35 | Joely | Nico_P, really? i just wanted an _easy_ way that would be thread safe and allow you to play audio too |
| 04:13:03 | Nico_P | I don't see how you can play audio at the same time |
| 04:13:05 | Joely | Soap, well...i was hoping you guys at rockbox might be willing to take over selling these things for money ;) |
| 04:13:11 | Joely | you rapidly switch |
| 04:13:20 | Joely | you just split the signal |
| 04:13:24 | Nico_P | well you would just quit the plugin and resume playback |
| 04:13:29 | Nico_P | ah |
| 04:13:45 | Soap | the wiki awaits your component list. |
| 04:13:54 | Nico_P | that could be harder |
| 04:14:25 | Nico_P | you'd need to speak to someone who knows rockbox better for that :) |
| 04:14:50 | aliask | Is the audio buffer locked from inside a plugin unless you stop it? If not you could just try inserting samples directly into the PCM buffer. (Probably not a very friendly method) |
| 04:15:36 | aliask | Yes, I think it'd be best to wait for the Europeans to wake up, I really don't know much about this sort of thing. |
| 04:16:59 | Joely | i actually started this because i got a tivo... |
| 04:17:02 | Joely | with no remote |
| 04:17:03 | Joely | >< |
| 04:18:03 | aliask | I'd love this if I watched TV at all. Or had any IR devices. |
| 04:18:24 | Joely | me too, i'm just making it for my brother at college, haha |
| 04:21:09 | * | Nico_P is europeean :) |
| 04:21:38 | aliask | You're up very early. Or very late. |
| 04:21:44 | Nico_P | but I don't know much about the PCM buffer and I think I should be going to bed |
| 04:21:59 | Nico_P | very late :) |
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| 04:23:08 | toffe82 | Joely: do you know this : http://www.codeproject.com/netcf/PocketBeamer.asp |
| 04:23:40 | Joely | hmmm |
| 04:24:21 | mrk | what resolution should I use for album art on here? |
| 04:24:24 | Joely | oh yeah, i saw that a few times, but it's discontinued, plus it's in c# :-P |
| 04:24:27 | mrk | gigabeat f, that is |
| 04:25:14 | toffe82 | Joely: the idea is how they use the 2 channel to pass the frequency |
| 04:25:51 | toffe82 | Joely: building the interface must be easy |
| 04:25:58 | Joely | but i found an even cooler project, http://controlremote.sourceforge.net/ to use as the database |
| 04:26:06 | Joely | yes it is |
| 04:27:08 | Joely | however, mine has four.... |
| 04:28:25 | Joely | it uses a splitter from radio shack, two infrared leds, and two photodetectors, so it will be able to transfer data... (i stole the optical parts from two pdas! hehe) |
| 04:29:21 | Joely | http://www.avagotech.com/assets/downloadDocument.do?id=2314 |
| 04:29:23 | Joely | those |
| 04:30:03 | toffe82 | ok |
| 04:30:35 | Joely | but it'll have to switch quite rapidly to do i/o |
| 04:32:43 | toffe82 | check the site I gave you, it fix the problem of speed combining the 2 channels |
| 04:34:18 | toffe82 | Joely: check this on the page " How can an audio signal turn into a 40Khz carrier signal" |
| 04:34:42 | Joely | right, i meant `switching' being from DAC to ADC |
| 04:34:44 | BRi7Xtra | so toffe82: you recommend the gigabeat f as well, right? |
| 04:35:04 | toffe82 | BRi7Xtra: yes |
| 04:35:53 | toffe82 | Joely: dac to adc ? you want to receive too ? |
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| 04:41:16 | toffe82 | BRi7Xtra: perhaps I am not the good person to answer as I don't know the othre player , but it is sure that the gigabeat is actually one of the more powerful dap |
| 04:42:06 | Joely | toffe82, yup...on some players you might be able to do it.. |
| 04:43:12 | toffe82 | the gigabeat can do it, via the signal of the remote control which is connected to an adc |
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| 04:48:45 | toffe82 | Joely: I didn't read all the log, you want to use the remote at the same time you are listening music ? |
| 04:49:43 | Joely | well i realize it would drop down in quality...and they're not _really_ at the same time...just like one bit per cycle per side |
| 04:50:54 | Joely | i haven't tried hacking away that much at audio codec ics to know what they're capable of.. |
| 04:50:57 | toffe82 | Joely: why not just stop the music the time you send the control ? sending a code is less than 1second ? |
| 04:51:32 | Joely | yeah, true...but, there's one thing, idea number 2 that i started coding |
| 04:51:36 | toffe82 | or because you are thinking about people who are using a remote like a gamepad ;) |
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| 04:53:19 | Joely | that idea would be...using my tivo that i'm putting my own software on, to provide thumbnails of each channel as you scroll through, and then there would be a transmission to the audio device |
| 04:53:43 | BRi7Xtra | okay i'm going to order a gigabeat f. does anybody oppose? anybody want to change my mind? |
| 04:53:57 | toffe82 | BRi7Xtra: no ;) |
| 04:54:38 | BRi7Xtra | alright, gigabeat f it is! |
| 04:55:43 | toffe82 | BRi7Xtra: check on ebay, the max price for new in box with shipping in the us should be150$ |
| 04:55:47 | Joely | wow, that's a pretty sweet jukebox! i just looked it up |
| 04:56:03 | BRi7Xtra | new on ebay? |
| 04:56:08 | toffe82 | yes |
| 04:56:09 | BRi7Xtra | i'm on newegg at the moment |
| 04:56:22 | BRi7Xtra | how come the 20GB one is more expensive than the 40GB one? |
| 04:56:28 | BRi7Xtra | could you direct link me to one so i don't screw it up |
| 04:56:31 | | Part Hammer89 |
| 04:56:38 | toffe82 | ther was a promo 3 weeks ago at 99$ at office depot and now they are on ebay :) |
| 04:57:35 | BRi7Xtra | on ebay all i see is cases and a 10GB model |
| 04:57:39 | BRi7Xtra | i'd prefer a 30 or 40 |
| 04:57:46 | toffe82 | http://item.express.ebay.com/__Apple-iPods-MP3-Players_New-Sealed-Toshiba-Gigabeat-MEG-F40S-40GB-MP3-Player_W0QQitemZ150119504172QQihZ005QQptdnZAppleQ20iPodsQ20Q26Q20MP3Q20PlayersQQptdiZ254QQcmdZExpressItem |
| 04:58:01 | toffe82 | this one is 99 + 30 fro shipping new in box |
| 04:58:54 | toffe82 | this one http://item.express.ebay.com/__Apple-iPods-MP3-Players_Toshiba-gigabeat-MEG-F40S-40-GB-Color-MP3-Player_W0QQitemZ200106776038QQihZ010QQptdnZAppleQ20iPodsQ20Q26Q20MP3Q20PlayersQQptdiZ254QQcmdZExpressItem |
| 04:58:57 | BRi7Xtra | how long does it take to ship? |
| 04:59:01 | toffe82 | a little more expensive |
| 04:59:08 | BRi7Xtra | what's the difference? |
| 04:59:24 | toffe82 | not the same seller |
| 04:59:48 | toffe82 | shipping depend on how they ship it and what option they give you |
| 05:00 |
| 05:00:28 | toffe82 | in the us if it is ups ground, maximum 7 days, depend where you leave from the seller |
| 05:00:49 | mrk | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-gigabeatf/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-600004.4.3 |
| 05:00:54 | mrk | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-gigabeatf/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-600004.4.3 |
| 05:00:58 | mrk | er. |
| 05:01:02 | mrk | how the hell do I get there? |
| 05:01:09 | mrk | the instructions don't say anything about that |
| 05:01:40 | BRi7Xtra | so you recommend ebay over newegg? thanks by the way |
| 05:02:15 | mrk | I just want it to be organized as Artist (alphabetical) - Album (Release date) - Track (track number) |
| 05:02:19 | mrk | is that impossible? |
| 05:02:21 | toffe82 | BRi7Xtra: how much is it on newegg ? |
| 05:02:30 | mrk | I just want all of my albums on one playlist like that |
| 05:02:57 | BRi7Xtra | 215 |
| 05:03:03 | BRi7Xtra | for the 40 |
| 05:03:07 | BRi7Xtra | and 250 for the 20 |
| 05:03:11 | BRi7Xtra | which i don't understand at all |
| 05:05:38 | mrk | what the hell? |
| 05:05:48 | mrk | this is the most counterintuitive thing I've ever used in my life |
| 05:05:51 | mrk | and I've used windows me |
| 05:05:58 | BRi7Xtra | what mrk? |
| 05:06:21 | toffe82 | mrk: if you want all your album in a playlist, just create a playlist in playlist->createplaylist, it will creat a file root.m3u8, just play this file after |
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| 05:07:26 | toffe82 | if not you have to use the database |
| 05:07:52 | BRi7Xtra | toffe82: could you find me a protective case for it? and do you think i should sell my broken ipod on ebay for some techie who likes fixing things? |
| 05:07:56 | toffe82 | if you want more control |
| 05:09:44 | toffe82 | BRi7Xtra: you can sell it on ebay or there : http://www.rapidrepair.com/ ,it seems that they buy everything ipod |
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| 05:10:14 | H10_007quick | for WPS can you define how far a line of text should scroll? |
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| 05:10:38 | toffe82 | BRi7Xtra: for the case this one perhaps http://www.zcover.com/zCover_index_Gigabeat.htm |
| 05:10:58 | BRi7Xtra | http://item.express.ebay.com/__Apple-iPod-MP3-Player-Accessories_Leather-Skin-Case-Toshiba-Gigabeat-F-Screen-Protector-F_W0QQitemZ280102891782QQihZ018QQptdnZAppleQ20iPodQ20Q26Q20MP3Q20PlayerQ20AccessoriesQQptdiZ332QQcmdZExpressItem |
| 05:10:59 | BRi7Xtra | how's that |
| 05:11:26 | H10_007quick | or the end point of it? |
| 05:11:55 | toffe82 | BRi7Xtra: why not ;) |
| 05:14:36 | toffe82 | H10_007quick: sorry don't know and it seems that there is nobody around to answer you |
| 05:15:05 | toffe82 | just wait or try tomorrow ;) |
| 05:15:38 | H10_007quick | really? |
| 05:16:17 | mrk | I'm getting it... |
| 05:16:22 | mrk | and I am using the database <_< |
| 05:16:30 | mrk | my directory structure is nice |
| 05:16:35 | mrk | the naming of the files, not so much |
| 05:16:40 | mrk | but I'm going to have to redo that anyway |
| 05:16:44 | mrk | maybe tonight |
| 05:16:50 | krazykit | shouldn't be hard. |
| 05:17:04 | mrk | right now, I just played the first album |
| 05:17:18 | mrk | and then went to database, artist, album, long select, playlist, insert last |
| 05:17:24 | mrk | goes pretty quickly. |
| 05:17:30 | mrk | also, HELLO, MY JEW-FRIEND. |
| 05:17:43 | Hilikus | hey where can i find info about static const struct wps_tag all_tags[] |
| 05:22:38 | scorche | mrk: seriously...use one line |
| 05:23:09 | mrk | why are you only getting on me for it? |
| 05:23:54 | scorche | because |
| 05:23:54 | scorche | i |
| 05:23:56 | scorche | dont |
| 05:23:56 | scorche | see |
| 05:23:57 | scorche | anyone |
| 05:23:59 | scorche | else |
| 05:24:00 | scorche | doingit |
| 05:24:05 | scorche | annoying, eh? |
| 05:24:18 | mrk | <BRi7Xtra> 215 |
| 05:24:18 | mrk | <BRi7Xtra> for the 40 |
| 05:24:18 | mrk | <BRi7Xtra> and 250 for the 20 |
| 05:24:18 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK mrk |
| 05:24:18 | mrk | <BRi7Xtra> which i don't understand at all |
| 05:24:23 | mrk | <toffe82> not the same seller |
| 05:24:23 | mrk | <toffe82> shipping depend on how they ship it and what option they give you |
| 05:24:23 | mrk | <toffe82> in the us if it is ups ground, maximum 7 days, depend where you leave from the seller |
| 05:24:54 | mrk | I'm not quoting anymore, but maybe you need to look harder. |
| 05:25:47 | scorche | how do you know i havent PMed them about it or talked to them before?....point is, worry about yourself and what you are doing is against teh rules here |
| 05:26:39 | mrk | http://youtube.com/watch?v=FPxY8lpYAUM |
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| 05:27:01 | scorche | and why did you link that? |
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| 05:27:23 | mrk | oh, no particular reason at all. |
| 05:27:49 | scorche | well, that is quite off-topic....read the guidelines...you will get no more warnings |
| 05:28:22 | mrk | well, it wasn't really off-topic in context, but sure thing. |
| 05:28:38 | scorche | it doesnt pertain to rockbox at all, so yes it is off-topic |
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| 05:31:24 | H10_007quick | scorche: Can one define the start and end point of text in a WPS? |
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| 05:33:04 | scorche | i am not really a WPS guy |
| 05:34:18 | H10_007quick | oh ok |
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| 05:44:28 | BRi7Xtra | mrk: those prices were on newegg |
| 05:45:43 | BRi7Xtra | also, my gigabeat f has been ordered |
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| 05:46:55 | mrk | Mine seems to be working fine, for the most part. Learning curve is a bit tricky, but not too bad once you're used to it. I just need album art right now, and I'd be pretty good. |
| 05:47:00 | perkins | yu |
| 05:47:03 | mrk | I'm looking around on how to use it. |
| 05:48:48 | perkins | is the anybody here |
| 05:48:56 | mrk | Yes, people are here. |
| 05:50:13 | Hilikus | is there a built in way to change the color in the wps text? |
| 05:50:37 | mrk | try opening the file with notepad and seeing if there's anything there for you to mess with? |
| 05:50:52 | scorche | Hilikus: foreground color |
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| 05:51:09 | Hilikus | how do i change that from the wps file? |
| 05:51:12 | Hilikus | whats the tag |
| 05:51:36 | digerati1338 | to change foreground color edit the .cfg file in the themes folder. |
| 05:51:47 | Hilikus | oh but i mean just for 1 line |
| 05:51:48 | digerati1338 | package it with your wps. |
| 05:51:55 | digerati1338 | oh idk about that |
| 05:51:57 | Hilikus | not for the whole thing |
| 05:52:03 | scorche | you cant do it for one line |
| 05:52:06 | digerati1338 | there is a wiki page with all of the wps commands. |
| 05:52:14 | digerati1338 | i didnt think you could either |
| 05:52:22 | Hilikus | mmmmm |
| 05:52:23 | digerati1338 | the only way is to make it an image |
| 05:52:35 | mrk | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3045 |
| 05:52:37 | Hilikus | is it worthed to write a patch for that? |
| 05:52:47 | Hilikus | all those patches are reeeeally old |
| 05:52:48 | mrk | is that all we've got in the way of album art support? |
| 05:52:58 | digerati1338 | then you can do whatever color you want either in the background image (permanent) or by using the %xl and &xd commands |
| 05:53:10 | scorche | mrk: yes |
| 05:53:26 | digerati1338 | Album art support is basically waiting for the Bmp resize patch |
| 05:53:28 | Hilikus | what do you mean make it an image |
| 05:53:35 | mrk | mk. I should get to work on making that, well, work, then. |
| 05:53:38 | digerati1338 | put your text in an image |
| 05:53:46 | mrk | would you conisder that difficult in the slightest? |
| 05:53:49 | digerati1338 | if you want a single line of different text |
| 05:53:50 | Hilikus | whats wrong with the bmp resize patch? |
| 05:53:59 | digerati1338 | its out of sync i believe |
| 05:54:07 | Hilikus | i used it |
| 05:54:13 | Hilikus | it was, i manually changed it |
| 05:54:14 | digerati1338 | or maybe it was being reworked |
| 05:54:27 | Hilikus | but my build is so tweaked i cant make a patch out of it |
| 05:54:49 | Hilikus | but the changes were all pretty simple |
| 05:57:03 | mrk | oh, boy. |
| 05:57:09 | digerati1338 | hm? |
| 05:57:16 | mrk | patching doesn't look like it's a subject to be taken lightly at all. blast. |
| 05:57:34 | digerati1338 | its not that complicated if you're used to linux |
| 05:57:46 | digerati1338 | but if you're new to the whole thing it is a bit overwhelming |
| 05:57:51 | Hilikus | just find a compiled version for your dap |
| 05:58:13 | scorche | mrk: it is really only 3 commands or so once you have the environment set up |
| 05:58:15 | digerati1338 | most of the precompiled builds are pretty good |
| 05:58:22 | digerati1338 | yep |
| 05:58:30 | digerati1338 | get cygwin running |
| 05:58:38 | mrk | the whole environment setup doesn't look too fun, then :P |
| 05:58:39 | scorche | or vmware or colinux |
| 05:58:48 | Hilikus | its not fun |
| 05:58:51 | digerati1338 | then its just patch -p0 < patchname.patch |
| 05:59:06 | Hilikus | and i recommend real linux over all those emulators |
| 05:59:09 | mrk | I'm not /completely/ new to linux. I might as well be, though. I have a lot of friends who use it full-time, though, so I *may* be able to ask for their help. |
| 05:59:16 | digerati1338 | yep |
| 05:59:26 | scorche | in the case of vmware, you simply download vmware and the image, and install vmware, open the image..not hard at all |
| 05:59:28 | digerati1338 | real linux rox |
| 05:59:37 | Hilikus | but again, if you are not into it, just find a precompiled version |
| 05:59:45 | scorche | those "emulators" are real linux.. |
| 05:59:46 | mrk | gaaaaaaah. Annoying, just to view album are. whatever, though. I'll get on it eventually. |
| 05:59:52 | scorche | cygwin isnt, but vmware and colinux are |
| 05:59:57 | digerati1338 | and it might actually be easier to install ubuntu than trying to get cygwin to work right |
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| 06:00:04 | Hilikus | true |
| 06:00:04 | mrk | precompiled? that sounds like I'd like it :P |
| 06:00:15 | mrk | I have an ubuntu livecd :P |
| 06:00:22 | scorche | digerati1338: then dont use cygwin and use something else.. |
| 06:00:50 | Joely | heh, if all you're going to use is patch...you could try the ported win32 gnu utils... http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/UnxUtils.zip |
| 06:01:22 | digerati1338 | im only using cygwin cuz this is my dad's computer and he won't let me repartition his harddisk. Im running slackware on my other box. |
| 06:01:23 | mrk | all I want is album art based on one image in each album-folder in the simplest way possible <_< |
| 06:01:27 | Hilikus | whats the point of patching and not compiling |
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| 06:01:45 | Hilikus | mrk what dap do you use |
| 06:01:48 | scorche | digerati1338: neither vmware or colinux require partitioning either.. |
| 06:01:52 | mrk | gigabeat f. |
| 06:01:57 | digerati1338 | mrk: any build with the album art patch will do that. |
| 06:02:08 | Hilikus | just ask someone to compile it for you |
| 06:02:14 | digerati1338 | save the art as cover.bmp in the albums folder |
| 06:02:26 | mrk | yeah, I know what to do with the actual album art. |
| 06:02:38 | mrk | 100x100, cover.bmp, one per album-folder. |
| 06:02:59 | mrk | I just dunno how the process of patching the dap to make album art work works. |
| 06:03:05 | mrk | that's for a later time, though. |
| 06:03:15 | mrk | it's relatively late, and I've school tomorrow, so I'm out. |
| 06:03:21 | Hilikus | if mine compiled i would compile one for you but im trying to get color lines so it screw up the whole code |
| 06:03:52 | Joely | Hilikus, hehe well i thought for sure he had gcc through something like bloodshed or w/e that suite is called.. |
| 06:04:02 | Joely | he/she* |
| 06:04:19 | digerati1338 | i better get going as well. I've got exams tomorrow. |
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| 06:06:19 | Joely | mrk, sorry, i wasn't really paying attention....do you want me to compile something for you? |
| 06:06:33 | mrk | nah, you don't have to do anything for me. |
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| 06:06:38 | mrk | thanks for the offer, though. quite generous. |
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| 06:06:48 | mrk | man, I need some aspirin. my head is *killing* me. |
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| 06:09:31 | energia`gotmilk- | Hey I installed rockbox on my sansa e200 and my computer doesnt recognize it anymore when I plug it in |
| 06:12:28 | energia`gotmilk- | Can I get any help please |
| 06:12:44 | mrk | It depends. Do you have any milk for me? |
| 06:13:07 | energia`gotmilk- | funny... |
| 06:13:38 | mrk | Apologies. I'm a newb, so I really can't help you, and am just wasting both of our time as we sit here. |
| 06:14:22 | Joely | well, are you in rockbox mode or the orig firmware? |
| 06:16:04 | energia`gotmilk- | Rockbox |
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| 06:16:15 | energia`gotmilk- | ROckbox loads automaticly |
| 06:16:22 | energia`gotmilk- | I just want to uninstall it |
| 06:16:43 | energia`gotmilk- | But when I plug it in winodws says it doesnt recognize the device anymore |
| 06:16:45 | Joely | oh, well if you want to uninstall it... hold down << |
| 06:16:49 | Joely | while booting |
| 06:17:32 | energia`gotmilk- | ahhhh |
| 06:17:37 | energia`gotmilk- | thank u so much |
| 06:17:41 | Joely | np |
| 06:17:41 | energia`gotmilk- | I was kinda freaking out |
| 06:17:42 | energia`gotmilk- | lol |
| 06:18:24 | Joely | you didn't like rockbox on it? |
| 06:18:26 | Joely | :-P |
| 06:18:41 | energia`gotmilk- | Well I thought itd be graphicly nice... |
| 06:18:47 | Joely | there are themes |
| 06:18:55 | energia`gotmilk- | I know but only the colors change |
| 06:19:55 | Joely | http://www.rockbox-themes.org/data/176x220x16/aZure_V2.png |
| 06:19:57 | Joely | you sure? |
| 06:20:33 | energia`gotmilk- | Rofl mine sure didnt look like that |
| 06:20:47 | Joely | yes, because it had the default |
| 06:20:52 | Joely | you have to load .wps files |
| 06:20:56 | energia`gotmilk- | I tryed all the theme on the player that came with rockbox |
| 06:21:11 | scorche | there are a lot of themes that are waiting to be fixed at the moment |
| 06:21:24 | scorche | when there is an error with one, it defaults back tot eh default |
| 06:21:39 | energia`gotmilk- | oki |
| 06:22:06 | energia`gotmilk- | well now that I know How to come back to sansa firmware I guess I could give it a shot |
| 06:22:31 | Joely | haha :-D |
| 06:22:40 | Joely | just reboot |
| 06:22:45 | Joely | and don't hold down anything |
| 06:22:53 | energia`gotmilk- | And is it normal that the player didnt seem to read my sd card ? |
| 06:23:02 | Joely | right now there isn't sd support |
| 06:23:06 | energia`gotmilk- | oki |
| 06:23:40 | energia`gotmilk- | I guess someone is working on it if u say "right now.." |
| 06:25:33 | Joely | hrm, i really don't know...i don't have an sd card to test |
| 06:26:30 | energia`gotmilk- | oki |
| 06:27:24 | energia`gotmilk- | well Il drop by rockbox.org from times to times to see if its been fixed! :P Thanxz a lot for ur help Joely |
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| 06:27:42 | Joely | yup, once again, no problem! |
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| 06:34:16 | Joely | poke, Soap. |
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| 07:23:30 | JdGordon | daurn: you therE? |
| 07:23:35 | daurn | ha |
| 07:23:39 | daurn | JUST turned monitor on |
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| 07:23:49 | JdGordon | hey |
| 07:23:54 | daurn | and i see the screen scroll |
| 07:24:00 | daurn | and speakers beep |
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| 07:31:33 | webguest97 | hello |
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| 07:31:50 | Joely | hey webguest97 |
| 07:32:25 | webguest97 | Can anyone help me with an issue I have with my F40 |
| 07:33:08 | Joely | just ask your question, silly ;) |
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| 07:34:25 | webguest97 | I am having issues with my Gigabeat F40 and the Cabbie theme |
| 07:34:54 | toffe82 | webguest97: what kind of problem ? |
| 07:36:38 | webguest97 | My screen freezes on the cabbie theme , only black at startup. I am unable to reset my unit by holding A and Power or by switching battery to off then on |
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| 07:44:07 | Joely | webguest97, if you've got time...i'll check for you in the simulator.. |
| 07:44:24 | webguest97 | I only see the ROCKBOX and gigabeat logos. No choice for files , system etc |
| 07:48:35 | Joely | hmm it works for me in the sim... |
| 07:49:27 | webguest97 | ok thanks |
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| 07:52:34 | Joely | well i'm off to bed! bye! |
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| 07:54:06 | webguest97 | The cabbie theme worked before with no issues. Now it just get stuck. I just want to reset my unit. How if the conventional ways have'nt worked |
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| 07:58:39 | BRi7Xtra | oh, i'm going to have a terrible in time in school this week. i ordered my gigabeat f, it'll take a while to get here from my understanding. my deal for this week is putting whatever music fits onto my DS... i can only fit around four albums :( i can't wait till i get my gigabeat and load it up with rockbox |
| 07:59:37 | BRi7Xtra | terrible time* |
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| 08:20:10 | amiconn | mo0ning |
| 08:23:28 | amiconn | JdGordon: I have a new bug for you ;) (Introduced last week; I think it might be related to your menu system conversion work) |
| 08:24:33 | amiconn | The menu items no longer scroll - on all targets. The annoyance factor varies with font size and lcd resolution of course |
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| 08:39:34 | combrains | hi all |
| 08:40:29 | combrains | ive been out of the loop for a little while and I have just compiled the latest svn |
| 08:40:56 | combrains | i did a make fullzip and it didnt include the rockbox.gigabeat file |
| 08:41:06 | combrains | (in the zip that is) |
| 08:41:13 | amiconn | It most probably did |
| 08:41:31 | daurn | amiconn: JdGordon says that pixelma told him this morning |
| 08:41:37 | amiconn | rockbox.<target> now resides in .rockbox |
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| 08:42:22 | amiconn | You might need to update your bootloader |
| 08:42:43 | combrains | amiconn: yes i know that but what suprised me was that it put fwimg01.dat into the zip rather than rockbox.gigabeat |
| 08:43:08 | amiconn | Oh? Hmm, then I don't know... |
| 08:43:15 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 08:43:15 | * | amiconn has no gigabeat |
| 08:43:25 | combrains | but i still need both files atm? |
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| 09:20:40 | combrains | ok this is wierd |
| 09:22:02 | combrains | I did a 'make veryclean' then the whole configure/make thing (for a normal build) and then a 'make fullzip' and I get a file called fwimg01.dat in the .rockbox folder indide the zip |
| 09:22:16 | combrains | should this not be called rockbox.gigabeat |
| 09:22:31 | combrains | or has somthing changed that I don't know about |
| 09:27:14 | B4gder | isn't that a boot loader build? |
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| 09:29:51 | combrains | i believe so but i only built the normal part - not the bootloader itself - or is this done automatically now? |
| 09:30:01 | B4gder | nope |
| 09:31:33 | combrains | never mind - I think I found the culprit |
| 09:32:44 | combrains | seems konqueror is displaying a file called fwimg01.dat when I view the zip but if I look at the zip in archiver, I see a file called rockbox.gogabeat - which is the one I want to see |
| 09:33:00 | combrains | grrr |
| 09:33:02 | B4gder | ! |
| 09:34:10 | combrains | something to do with konqueror's cache ith ink coz I just hit F5 and it sorted itself out :) |
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| 09:51:47 | JdGordon | amiconn: fixed |
| 09:52:14 | JdGordon | Committed revision 13337. <- l337 :D |
| 09:52:28 | * | scorche slaps JdGordon |
| 09:52:49 | petur | rofl |
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| 10:26:01 | combrains | quick question about the flashy new custom icon feature |
| 10:26:34 | combrains | why will rockbox not change th icons when i select the apprpriate theme |
| 10:26:48 | JdGordon | because the .bmp doesnt exist? |
| 10:27:16 | combrains | i downloaded and installed the full icon zip from the extras page |
| 10:27:21 | combrains | so it should work |
| 10:30:32 | JdGordon | are we calling the power button power or menu in the lang file for the sansa? |
| 10:33:32 | B4gder | on the behalf of our new advertisement policy, that button is now called the McDonalds button |
| 10:33:59 | JdGordon | haha ok |
| 10:34:05 | * | JdGordon updates manual accordingly |
| 10:34:16 | JdGordon | seems to be power in the manual... so power it is |
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| 10:43:48 | amiconn | B4gder: Maybe a disk quota problem again? |
| 10:44:04 | B4gder | could be, yes |
| 10:44:12 | JdGordon | hmm... seems I made the menus worse :( |
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| 10:49:44 | JdGordon | B4gder: is there anyway to do a commit but not get it to rebuild? or shhuold I just put the 2 sort-of-unrelated changs i the one commit? |
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| 10:50:00 | B4gder | no and no ;-) |
| 10:50:21 | JdGordon | ok, 2 commits coming right up |
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| 12:39:15 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Around? |
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| 13:12:51 | * | B4gder finds the 09 f9 story hilarous |
| 13:13:11 | JdGordon | 09 f9? wtf... your missing the other 14 pairs.. |
| 13:13:21 | B4gder | :-) |
| 13:13:24 | JdGordon | we cant get sued if your missing them |
| 13:13:37 | JdGordon | s/we/you |
| 13:14:30 | * | linuxstb watches the conversation fly over his head |
| 13:14:40 | B4gder | linuxstb: nice cleanup! |
| 13:14:52 | B4gder | linuxstb: the HD-DVD "crack" |
| 13:15:07 | B4gder | http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/005229.php |
| 13:17:06 | chrisjs169 | B4gder: Yay, my server is working properly :D |
| 13:17:23 | B4gder | yes it does |
| 13:19:08 | B4gder | just not the fastest network |
| 13:19:18 | B4gder | "Copied rbclient@home.nuclearscripting.com:build-ipodnano/rockbox.zip in 44 seconds, 41073 bytes/second" |
| 13:19:32 | markun | the X5 doesn't have a special ipod connector on it's dock, does it? |
| 13:19:42 | daurn | JdGordon: would you be near MSY soon? |
| 13:19:43 | B4gder | markun: no |
| 13:19:57 | markun | probably a typo: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10346.0 |
| 13:20:02 | JdGordon | daurn: can be |
| 13:20:11 | B4gder | it has power, mini-usb, line in and line out |
| 13:20:25 | daurn | JdGordon: you can buy another microSD card if you want, I need one too |
| 13:20:38 | daurn | pay you back next time i see you |
| 13:21:00 | B4gder | markun: most likely yes |
| 13:21:02 | JdGordon | im broke... so na :) |
| 13:21:05 | daurn | only $18 :P |
| 13:21:37 | daurn | your screen is real smudgy |
| 13:23:15 | daurn | JdGordon: you have backups of all the music? |
| 13:23:26 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 13:23:28 | JdGordon | course |
| 13:23:34 | daurn | just checkin |
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| 13:24:40 | daurn | any ideas how to recursivly copy a folder, not copying .wvc files? (in windows) |
| 13:25:53 | JdGordon | rsync |
| 13:26:57 | daurn | foobar seems to do it ;) |
| 13:27:46 | * | daurn yells wtf |
| 13:27:58 | daurn | your h300 just reset itself a few times for no particular reason |
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| 13:29:03 | Davo_Dinkum | Hi people |
| 13:29:09 | daurn | damn, battery low |
| 13:29:13 | markun | hi Davo_Dinkum |
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| 13:30:33 | JdGordon | daurn: unless you left it on the whole time batt cant be low.. its been charging for the last week |
| 13:31:02 | daurn | tried to copy some *good* music onto it, and it shutdown with "battery low" |
| 13:31:35 | daurn | hmmm |
| 13:31:39 | daurn | did it with charger also in |
| 13:32:35 | daurn | whenever I turn it ON, i get battery flat now |
| 13:32:54 | JdGordon | you didnt plug a charger with the wrong polarity in did you? |
| 13:33:10 | daurn | ... no |
| 13:33:29 | Davo_Dinkum | Maybe the battery doesn't hold charge anymore |
| 13:33:37 | daurn | who the hell has centre negative plugs |
| 13:33:49 | Davo_Dinkum | daurn: Weirdos, that's who |
| 13:34:43 | JdGordon | daurn: can you boot into OF? (hold rec while on) |
| 13:34:48 | JdGordon | hold rec+on |
| 13:35:13 | daurn | low battery |
| 13:35:47 | JdGordon | hmm.. turn it on, then when that low batt screen coms on plug in ac |
| 13:35:55 | daurn | uh.... AC IS in |
| 13:36:12 | JdGordon | and connected to the wall? |
| 13:36:28 | daurn | wtf do you think i am |
| 13:36:44 | JdGordon | it may have fallen out :p |
| 13:36:54 | daurn | hmmm |
| 13:36:57 | daurn | took out remote |
| 13:36:59 | daurn | it botted |
| 13:38:46 | Davo_Dinkum | So can Rockbox completely replace the apple firmware? |
| 13:38:58 | JdGordon | apart from usb it can |
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| 13:39:46 | Davo_Dinkum | Ah, so I would still need the apple firmware to actually put songs on the ipod? |
| 13:40:28 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 13:40:32 | JdGordon | no... |
| 13:40:41 | JdGordon | yeah... but you can do it in explorer.. not itunes |
| 13:40:56 | Davo_Dinkum | I'm not using windows |
| 13:41:19 | JdGordon | then your fine... the ipd coms up as a usb disk |
| 13:41:27 | Davo_Dinkum | Mass storage device? |
| 13:41:30 | JdGordon | ye |
| 13:41:41 | Davo_Dinkum | Jolly good |
| 13:44:13 | linuxstb | Davo_Dinkum: You need to either select "enable use as disk" option in itunes or just uninstall itunes |
| 13:44:34 | Davo_Dinkum | I don't use itunes either |
| 13:44:43 | Davo_Dinkum | I'm running gNewSense |
| 13:44:48 | Davo_Dinkum | www.gnewsense.org |
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| 13:59:55 | Toni1 | linuxstb: I still think, that the cop is doing nothing on the sansa, except waking up and going to slepp once a second |
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| 14:02:25 | jhMikeS | toni1: yep, that's pretty much it. I was investigating not even having a COP main thread at all. |
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| 14:05:23 | Toni2 | jhMikeS: I checked with my emu, and found that beside some core_lock() and core_unlock() nothing was running on the cop |
| 14:06:11 | jhMikeS | mpegplayer uses it, that's it right now |
| 14:06:39 | Toni2 | I just checked the mpegplayer, and the stack usage remains at 4% |
| 14:07:03 | jhMikeS | mpegplayer adds it's own thread |
| 14:07:29 | Toni2 | Ah, ok, that explains it. :) |
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| 14:10:33 | Toni2 | jhMikeS: What about the as3514 registers, which are not set currently 0x17-0x1d? |
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| 14:11:52 | JdGordon | Toni2: can you get you emulator to fake an sd card and see what the OF does differently? |
| 14:12:55 | Toni2 | I think this should be possible, if the switch is known, which defines 'sd inserted' |
| 14:13:17 | JdGordon | yeah its a single bit.. |
| 14:13:28 | Toni2 | which one? |
| 14:14:02 | JdGordon | finding it... unless someone bats me |
| 14:14:06 | Toni2 | :-) |
| 14:15:08 | jhMikeS | toni2: if the IRQs dying out could be fixed on 5020 the COP can have plenty to do :) |
| 14:15:50 | jhMikeS | Toni2: the as3514 registers should be set, but I'm reading out reg 0x15 and 0x00 sometimes and 0x38 others, but it should always be 0x00 after reset |
| 14:16:48 | Toni2 | ok, I tried both: setting to zero and setting to 0x38 ... without success |
| 14:18:07 | Toni2 | and registers 0x17-0x1c were mainly set to 5 by some magics |
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| 14:18:12 | jhMikeS | did you do a dump to see if it gets read back randomly like that? I dumped in the shadow reg init loop |
| 14:18:34 | jhMikeS | they're not valid registers |
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| 14:19:30 | Toni2 | yes, I periodically read the content in the debug screen. Ok, so they are invalid. |
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| 14:20:34 | JdGordon | Toni2: I know its on B4gder's site somwhere but cant find it now :( |
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| 14:21:23 | Toni2 | Hopefully someone with the 'full' specs has this audio problem. :-) |
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| 14:21:51 | B4gder | you mean sandisk employees? ;-) |
| 14:21:52 | jhMikeS | Toni2: I even moved the device reset to rtc_init which is the first code that talks to it, and nothing changed with the randomness :\ |
| 14:21:58 | Toni2 | JdGordon: Ok, I can search myself. |
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| 14:24:24 | Toni2 | I will report, if I get the emu results on sd card insertion. |
| 14:24:37 | JdGordon | awesome, thanks |
| 14:24:43 | Jeton | JdGordon: Thanks for accepting http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7087 |
| 14:24:52 | Toni2 | bye |
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| 14:25:07 | JdGordon | Jeton: :) |
| 14:25:17 | Jeton | I've tested it, it works. But it needs some calibration. |
| 14:25:21 | intgr | Does Rockbox support resuming from the exact same position where it was before shutting down? |
| 14:25:30 | Jeton | Like One scroll per line. |
| 14:25:33 | JdGordon | intgr: it tries its best |
| 14:25:46 | JdGordon | Jeton: it should only scroll one line per click |
| 14:26:09 | Jeton | I've tried it. It doesn't. |
| 14:26:26 | JdGordon | does it scroll more than one line in the menus/browsers ? |
| 14:26:52 | Jeton | nope, the menu/browser scrolling is fine. It's the same as in the original firmware. |
| 14:27:07 | JdGordon | thats odd.. it shuold all work the same... |
| 14:27:20 | * | JdGordon checking if i have a ncie long txt on my sansa |
| 14:27:22 | Jeton | and... maybe i'm wrong here |
| 14:27:48 | Jeton | but isn't it supposed to be: scrolling on the right side would scroll the text down. |
| 14:27:58 | Jeton | now you need to scroll to the left to scroll it down. |
| 14:28:20 | JdGordon | works as expected here... |
| 14:28:28 | Jeton | Also, when clicking the REC button, automatic scrollin should stop/start ? |
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| 14:28:39 | JdGordon | yes |
| 14:28:42 | Jeton | because i click it , but it doesn't start. |
| 14:28:53 | Jeton | i'm gonna try it now, just to make sure. |
| 14:28:58 | Jeton | will report in a minute or so. |
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| 14:30:35 | * | JdGordon gone... ill reads the logs |
| 14:31:29 | spiorf | the mazezam game saves 1 level back: it's a wanted behaviour? |
| 14:31:30 | * | jhMikeS still needs an H10 check to see if he can work things out on other PP5020 based devices :\ |
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| 14:33:22 | Jeton | JdGordon: It works! with the latest build. Probably i messed up things yesterday because of the server downtime. |
| 14:33:28 | Jeton | Sorry for the confusion. |
| 14:35:09 | linuxstb | Can anyone (Bagder?) explain why adding #include "codecs.h" to plugin.h would cause these build errors? http://www.pastebin.ca/475393 |
| 14:38:26 | B4gder | no I can't... but I suggest running only the preprocessor and checking the output manually to see if you understand it better |
| 14:39:24 | linuxstb | How would I do that? |
| 14:39:41 | B4gder | use make V=1, copy the command line, use -E instead of -c |
| 14:39:54 | linuxstb | OK, thanks. |
| 14:39:55 | B4gder | and possibly change the output file name as well |
| 14:44:38 | linuxstb | _ctype_ seems to be converted to rb->_ctype_ somewhere... |
| 14:46:12 | B4gder | ./firmware/include/ctype.h:#define _ctype_ (rb->_ctype_) |
| 14:46:29 | linuxstb | Just found it... |
| 14:46:42 | Davo_Dinkum | Are 64GB CF cards out yet? |
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| 14:56:00 | intgr | Imagine a RAID array of those! |
| 14:56:07 | intgr | :) |
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| 14:59:05 | idnar | RAID-Z |
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| 15:00:30 | intgr | Has anyone ever heard of flash memory devices failing, though? |
| 15:01:20 | B4gder | no, they'll live forever! |
| 15:01:26 | B4gder | :-P |
| 15:02:33 | intgr | Well, they will eventually leak their charge, but people rarely keep the same data unchanged for 10+ years. |
| 15:03:08 | intgr | But I meant unexpected failures. |
| 15:03:13 | B4gder | I've heard several people suffer from bad storage |
| 15:03:27 | B4gder | with usb "sticks" |
| 15:03:42 | intgr | Ah, brand-name ones too? |
| 15:04:32 | B4gder | yes |
| 15:04:37 | B4gder | whatever brands mean |
| 15:04:48 | B4gder | I mean, there are probably not that many difference flash makers |
| 15:04:56 | intgr | True. |
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| 15:06:40 | intgr | B4gder: By the way, do you have any thoughts on porting Rockbox to a 24-bit DSP architecture? |
| 15:06:58 | intgr | Does Rockbox currently run on any "true" DSPs? |
| 15:06:59 | B4gder | 24bit how? |
| 15:07:11 | B4gder | nope |
| 15:07:13 | intgr | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MotorolaDSP56k |
| 15:07:56 | LinusN | does rockbox itself have to run on the dsp? i thought it was a dual-core arm+dsp solution |
| 15:07:59 | intgr | So I figure that it will be a PITA? :) |
| 15:08:14 | B4gder | well, the lack of compiler will be the first pita I guess |
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| 15:08:47 | intgr | B4gder: There are lots of compilers, just none that have hit the version 1.0 milestone. ;) |
| 15:09:02 | B4gder | O dpm |
| 15:09:06 | B4gder | sorry |
| 15:09:12 | B4gder | I don't think 24 bits is gonna be a problem |
| 15:09:21 | intgr | Oh? |
| 15:09:43 | intgr | LinusN: Well, as far as I can tell, there is only one controller core on the SoC, which is the DSP. |
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| 15:09:50 | LinusN | ouch |
| 15:09:50 | B4gder | that seems to be a 24 bit addressing limitation |
| 15:10:07 | intgr | B4gder: Nope, the smallest addressable unit is 24 bits. |
| 15:10:23 | intgr | The address space is lower 16 bits of pointers. |
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| 15:10:58 | B4gder | what does that mean? |
| 15:11:25 | intgr | That it can address up to 2^16 24-bit words. |
| 15:11:38 | intgr | But not individual bytes. |
| 15:12:06 | B4gder | but that's more like 16bit addressing to me |
| 15:12:18 | intgr | Yeah, 16-bit addressing for 24-bit words. |
| 15:12:29 | B4gder | that's not what freescale.com says |
| 15:12:36 | B4gder | "24 bit addressing" |
| 15:12:51 | B4gder | but I guess that doesn't matter too much at this point ;-) |
| 15:13:08 | intgr | :) |
| 15:13:32 | intgr | Freescale doesn't support the old 560xx series anyway. |
| 15:13:42 | intgr | So perhaps it's a difference between the newer revisions. |
| 15:14:44 | intgr | http://juffo.org/stuff/DSP56004.pdf |
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| 15:20:54 | intgr | Anyway, I contacted the person behind the MobiBLU port, and he hasn't given up yet. |
| 15:21:36 | linuxstb | intgr: How much RAM do these devices have? |
| 15:24:35 | intgr | Hold on. |
| 15:25:05 | amiconn | intgr: There was an incomplete port to a DSP target once - the Archos gmini 1xx and SP |
| 15:25:24 | amiconn | Those targets are CalmRISC16 based |
| 15:25:25 | intgr | amiconn: Oh, any ideas where I can dig up the source? |
| 15:25:37 | intgr | Ah |
| 15:26:32 | B4gder | the biggest problems with that port was 1) 16bits 2) Harvard arch |
| 15:26:39 | amiconn | The source was cut from cvs as the port was stalled for nearly 2 years (the only developer disappeared (we know why) and no one else picked up the port) |
| 15:27:03 | intgr | Yeah, this one is Hardvard as well. |
| 15:27:20 | B4gder | that's a pain for plugins and loadable codecs |
| 15:27:39 | amiconn | Plugins are possible with harvard arch - provided there is code RAM |
| 15:27:49 | B4gder | true |
| 15:28:05 | amiconn | But the gmini only had data RAM, code was ROM only |
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| 15:28:23 | intgr | Now, according to a spec I could find, the STMP3410 has 96k-words of RAM. |
| 15:28:38 | amiconn | (well, flash rom, otherwise a port would have been completely impossible) |
| 15:28:42 | intgr | Which contradicts what I said about 16-bit addresses earlier. |
| 15:28:55 | B4gder | hehe |
| 15:29:41 | intgr | So 288 kilo-octets, which is quite a lot I suppose. |
| 15:30:04 | amiconn | linuxstb: Nice green delta line :) |
| 15:30:47 | intgr | It only has 8 kwords of ROM on the die, so there's just barely space for a bootloader. |
| 15:31:11 | B4gder | 8kwords should be enough for a primary bootloader |
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| 15:31:34 | intgr | And the MP3 player I have has a 128MB flash chip. |
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| 15:33:14 | linuxstb | amiconn: Shame it's only swcodec though... |
| 15:33:41 | linuxstb | (for now...) |
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| 15:43:17 | intgr | "the only developer disappeared (we know why)" |
| 15:43:24 | intgr | amiconn: Why? |
| 15:44:29 | intgr | Legal problems? |
| 15:45:36 | B4gder | no, economical |
| 15:45:57 | B4gder | and I guess the feeling of loneliness he must have felt didn't help |
| 15:46:05 | intgr | Ah, okay. |
| 15:46:37 | intgr | But speaking of legalese, have there been any legal threats to any of the developers? |
| 15:46:47 | B4gder | yes |
| 15:46:56 | B4gder | but only due to various plugins etc |
| 15:46:56 | markun | from the Tetris company |
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| 15:47:04 | Zagor | and popcap |
| 15:47:06 | markun | and because of Jewels |
| 15:47:10 | B4gder | and AT&T voices |
| 15:47:15 | intgr | (?) |
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| 15:47:39 | intgr | But not for reverse engineering? |
| 15:47:42 | Zagor | did anyone ever manage to get a response from at&t about that? |
| 15:47:46 | B4gder | intgr: nope |
| 15:47:50 | B4gder | Zagor: nope |
| 15:47:53 | intgr | Ok, good. |
| 15:48:01 | Zagor | intgr: reverse engineering is not illegal |
| 15:48:08 | intgr | I'm not too worried about being able to play tetris on my MP3 player. :) |
| 15:48:20 | B4gder | intgr: you can, it just can't be called Tetris... |
| 15:48:23 | JdGordon | anyone else got a gmini402? |
| 15:48:30 | intgr | Well, "reverse engineering" can also mean "digging up confidential documents" sometimes... |
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| 15:48:33 | markun | Zagor: I think in the USA it's illegal if you use it to circumvent a copy protection |
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| 15:49:02 | B4gder | intgr: we don't do illegal activities really |
| 15:49:06 | intgr | Most player don't enforce copy protection on DRM-free files. |
| 15:49:14 | markun | intgr: the Gigabeat does |
| 15:49:38 | intgr | B4gder: Right. |
| 15:51:08 | markun | subjects like these make me want to delete the post: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10331.0 |
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| 15:51:30 | B4gder | amen |
| 15:51:33 | intgr | :( |
| 15:52:17 | markun | B4gder: and sometimes I understand it from people who just bricked their player for example, but this guy didn't even install rockbox or read anything about it. |
| 15:52:44 | B4gder | I never read those entries |
| 15:53:01 | B4gder | if they can't make me interested with a good subject, they're not worth reading ;-) |
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| 15:53:18 | Jeton | JdGordon: can the text be displayed on the Sansa in a 90Degrees or 270 Degrees Rotation? (txt viewer plugin) |
| 15:53:39 | markun | B4gder: I should try harder to resist as well.. |
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| 15:54:45 | JdGordon | Jeton: no :( |
| 15:55:56 | Jeton | Well, i already can read text on my Sansa and i can scroll it with the scrollwheel (something i never imagined would be able to do). so that's fine. I'm happy with it :D |
| 15:56:05 | Jeton | thanks. |
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| 15:59:55 | intgr | The lack of 32-bit and 64-bit integer datatypes is probably also going to be a PITA. |
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| 16:22:49 | ccitt | mornin all |
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| 16:23:37 | ccitt | what steps do i need to build the ipod bootloader? i cant seem to find any build instructions other than rockbox itsself. |
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| 16:23:53 | ccitt | i have run configure and make in my build dir and i think its good but how do i install that? |
| 16:24:06 | linuxstb | ccitt: It's exactly the same, just choose "B" for bootloader, instead of "N" for normal. |
| 16:24:08 | ccitt | i wanna make sure my development and testing is from a clean baseline, being the svn from today |
| 16:24:16 | ccitt | yeah i know i already built it |
| 16:24:20 | ccitt | how do i install it? |
| 16:24:33 | linuxstb | ipodpatcher -a bootloader-ipodname.ipod |
| 16:24:33 | ccitt | sorry i guess i did ask building |
| 16:24:42 | ccitt | cool thanks |
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| 17:09:29 | Lozzy | hey. I just looked up something in the manual for rockbox on an ipod 5G. I want to reset to my original settings manually, but using hold on startup just boots me in to my apple firmware. |
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| 17:10:54 | badsheepy | isnt that what its supposed to do |
| 17:11:03 | badsheepy | i thought it was some other button combo to reset the settings |
| 17:11:09 | badsheepy | cant remember what though |
| 17:11:10 | dionoea | it's the hold button |
| 17:11:21 | dionoea | for ipods |
| 17:11:33 | badsheepy | hold definately boots me into ipod fw |
| 17:11:37 | Lozzy | the hold button boots me in to the apple firmware dionoea, I think they changed it. |
| 17:11:41 | dionoea | you power it on and the switch hold on as fast as possible |
| 17:12:04 | Lozzy | I'll try again, sec. |
| 17:12:06 | Killez | heya, just a quick nifty idea i was having, prolly impossible, but is there any way in hell one could make a rockbox equipped player read and play music off an external hard drive/usb stick plugged into the player ? |
| 17:12:29 | dionoea | it might be possible if/when rockbox gets usb otg support |
| 17:12:41 | dionoea | i think that someone is working on that as part of Google's Summer of Code |
| 17:12:46 | Killez | aww cool |
| 17:12:48 | linuxstb | Lozzy: You need to turn hold on after the Rockbox bootloader starts - i.e. after the backlight comes on. |
| 17:13:06 | Lozzy | okay, thanks linuxstb. |
| 17:13:20 | Killez | ipod nano+300gig external hardrive and there goes the smallest hifi with my whole music collectio |
| 17:13:31 | Lozzy | ah, that's awesome, thanks! |
| 17:14:05 | Killez | jesus yeah, a 3.5 ext hdd, ipod nano, t-amp and thats one sweet minimalistic setup :P |
| 17:14:15 | ccitt | does anyone know of a vender who sells high capacity 1.8" drives i can use in my 5g? |
| 17:14:32 | ccitt | well, relatively high capacity |
| 17:15:12 | Killez | still, ill have to wait then, no simple way to access all music in the bedroom for the gf then :P |
| 17:15:20 | Killez | withotu setting up a pc there |
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| 17:18:43 | ccitt | does anyone know if anyone has started working on a usb-mode for rockbox-ipod? this is a winpod5g |
| 17:21:38 | petur | do ipods have usbotg? |
| 17:21:58 | linuxstb | afaik, yes. |
| 17:25:13 | markun | a = [ 0.01000 0.00763 0.00832 0.01036 ] |
| 17:25:17 | markun | oops |
| 17:25:49 | markun | does anyone know how to generate a brown(ian) noise generator? |
| 17:27:49 | * | linuxstb has a test_codec plugin working - for proper benchmarking of codecs... |
| 17:28:24 | * | petur waits for the first round of codec optimizing |
| 17:29:05 | linuxstb | About 2 years too late... |
| 17:30:05 | bluebrother | not at all −− just think of the wma codec project ;) |
| 17:34:32 | jhMikeS | markun: yes, integrate white noise |
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| 17:42:04 | Nico_P | linuxstb: what does it do ? |
| 17:43:43 | linuxstb | Nico_P: It loads a track into the audio buffer, and decodes it as fast as it can via the codec api, displaying the total time at the end. |
| 17:44:02 | Nico_P | nice |
| 17:44:17 | linuxstb | The plugin implements the playback-engine half of the codec API itself. |
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| 17:45:55 | linuxstb | Main problem left is that it won't work with libmad because libmad needs too much stack - my plugin runs the codecs in the main thread, and the main stack is smaller than the codec stack. So I think I need to create my own codec thread, using the same IRAM stack that the main codec thread is using.... |
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| 17:56:31 | Nico_P | linuxstb: is your plugin ready for SVN ? |
| 17:56:59 | linuxstb | Not yet, but I can post a patch. |
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| 17:57:21 | Nico_P | I'd like that :) |
| 17:57:30 | linuxstb | http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/test_codec.diff |
| 17:58:15 | linuxstb | It's still buggy I think - I just tried a vorbis file and it crashed. |
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| 17:58:55 | linuxstb | I think it also needs a wav-writing mode - just so I can be sure it's actually decoding something... The decode times seem very fast. |
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| 17:59:23 | linuxstb | e.g. a 138s FLAC file is decoded in about 33s on my ipod - over 4x realtime. |
| 17:59:54 | Nico_P | isn't flac very efficient ? |
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| 18:00:03 | Nico_P | or is that too efficient ? |
| 18:01:24 | linuxstb | I guess it's about right... 4x realtime implies an ipod running at around 19MHz. But that doesn't include the overhead of the WPS and the actual playback |
| 18:02:01 | markun | jhMikeS: I was more hoping for a way to generate it directly, like this one for pink noise: http://home.earthlink.net/%7Eltrammell/tech/pinkalg.htm |
| 18:02:13 | Nico_P | hmm the viewers.config needs an edit, doesn't it ? |
| 18:02:46 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Oops, forgot that in my diff... Yes, just assign it to any music type - e.g. wav. |
| 18:03:27 | linuxstb | New patch uploaded. |
| 18:03:40 | Nico_P | same URL ? |
| 18:03:54 | linuxstb | Yes |
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| 18:07:41 | Nico_P | wow 0.07 seconds to decode a 3247 m4a file ^^ |
| 18:07:53 | Nico_P | 3247 seconds* |
| 18:08:04 | linuxstb | That's perhaps not correct then... |
| 18:08:28 | Nico_P | or it's proof that there's no need to optimise on the gigabeat :) |
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| 18:09:41 | linuxstb | Are you sure it's 3247 seconds long, not 3 seconds? The display in test_codec is in ms. |
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| 18:10:23 | Nico_P | it's a long file |
| 18:10:25 | linuxstb | Ah, the second display is in seconds, sorry... |
| 18:10:36 | markun | linuxstb: did you invert the real-time percentage calculation? |
| 18:10:45 | linuxstb | markun: No, I like it backwards... |
| 18:10:49 | markun | ok :) |
| 18:10:59 | dionoea | markun: can't you just use a formula such as new freq = old freq * exp( gaussian random variable ) ? |
| 18:11:02 | markun | so 50% realtime is better than 200%? |
| 18:11:48 | markun | dionoea: I have no clue what that should do |
| 18:12:03 | linuxstb | markun: I'm happy to go with what people think - I don't really care either way. |
| 18:12:10 | dionoea | that generates a brownian path |
| 18:12:21 | dionoea | i'm not sure how brownian noise relates to that though :) |
| 18:12:37 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Have you got anything to work? |
| 18:13:29 | Nico_P | linuxstb: I tried with an MP3 file... it appears to be doing something but it seems long to me |
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| 18:15:17 | markun | dionoea: hm, me neither :) |
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| 18:20:54 | Joely | http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/90783.pdf <−− hehe we should those for the IR modules! and i was thinking...if somebody _really_ is interested in usb otg or other player to player communication....this infrared stuff would be great as a backup for compatibility with `older' players or those that just don't have usb otg |
| 18:21:05 | dionoea | markun: http://nsr.bioeng.washington.edu/Software/NSR_SW_fractal.html |
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| 18:23:47 | intgr | Hmm, infrared communication through headphone jack? |
| 18:23:48 | markun | dionoea: thanks |
| 18:24:22 | intgr | But most players with audio input don't have mic jacks, do they? |
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| 18:25:34 | Joely | well, those players that don't have lines in have usb otg.. |
| 18:25:47 | intgr | Ah. |
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| 18:35:07 | testdasi | does anyone know how is it that the battery reading for the sansa e200 is always about half the actual run time? I am guessing it's either the battery capacity is halfed (which is not really true because the define says 750, correct value) or the runcurrent is doubled (the run current code looks fine to me) |
| 18:35:47 | ccitt | testdasi: yo uneed to set your battery capacity |
| 18:35:51 | ccitt | it is set too high |
| 18:36:01 | ccitt | hmm |
| 18:36:14 | ccitt | nvm |
| 18:36:34 | ccitt | are you using the latest snapshot? |
| 18:36:57 | ccitt | i had a similar issue on my ipod5g but the latest revision fixed it |
| 18:38:48 | testdasi | hey, thanks. I think I know how to fix it now :D |
| 18:40:55 | ccitt | hey no problemo :) |
| 18:41:18 | pixelma | battery info, especially runtime estimation hasn't been calibrated on most of the newer targets. I believe that applies to Sansa and any kind of Ipods... |
| 18:41:41 | ccitt | pixelma: i can speak for the 30g 5g ipod - it is now calibrated properly |
| 18:41:56 | ccitt | but i can dig that many other targets are not |
| 18:42:23 | linuxstb | ccitt: Do you mean the battery percentage or the runtime estimation? |
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| 18:46:10 | ccitt | linuxstb: both seem to be working now - the percentage was off before, due to a lack of correct values to select for the battery capacity |
| 18:46:28 | ccitt | with the latest clean build from svn, it works great |
| 18:46:54 | midkay_ | hmm. so i'm having a problem with a friend's Rockboxed nano.. it won't turn on. |
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| 18:47:05 | midkay_ | it's charged, and plugged in. it won't reset. |
| 18:47:18 | ccitt | did you try restoring it in itunes? |
| 18:47:32 | ccitt | try that and then reload rockbox |
| 18:47:40 | midkay_ | it doesn't turn on at all.. no power, no USB connection. |
| 18:47:43 | midkay_ | totally blank LCD. |
| 18:47:43 | ccitt | is it a nano v2? |
| 18:47:55 | midkay_ | it's a first-gen. it worked fine a couple days ago. |
| 18:47:59 | ccitt | oh ok |
| 18:48:00 | markun | midkay_: nice, he thinks you are a noob :) |
| 18:48:15 | midkay_ | markun: haha, i'll take any help i can get :) |
| 18:48:17 | ccitt | markun: i dunno mn just trying to be (somewhat) useful |
| 18:48:24 | ccitt | ;) |
| 18:48:25 | markun | ccitt: it's ok :) |
| 18:48:30 | midkay_ | ccitt: thanks, i appreciate it.. trying to figure this out is all :) |
| 18:48:39 | ccitt | fair nuff |
| 18:48:44 | midkay_ | no reason it shouldn't be working... but i can't manage to get it to power on. :\ |
| 18:48:59 | ccitt | linuxstb: do you know if there has been any work on getting native usb support on ipood targets? |
| 18:49:18 | markun | ccitt: someone will do some work on it this summer |
| 18:49:27 | markun | during Google's summer of Code |
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| 18:49:53 | ccitt | ok - if not i was going to try and take a stab at it - i dislike seeing the ipod firmware load ;) |
| 18:49:54 | markun | at least adding a USB stack, don't know how far he will get |
| 18:50:16 | ccitt | so there is no usb stack at all for any target currently? |
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| 18:50:25 | markun | ccitt: correct |
| 18:50:29 | ccitt | okay |
| 18:50:41 | ccitt | hmmm |
| 18:51:24 | markun | many have a chip which does all the work |
| 18:51:42 | ccitt | right |
| 18:52:26 | markun | ccitt: http://code.google.com/soc/rockbox/about.html |
| 18:52:26 | ccitt | i would think putting (at least on ipods)that secondary core to use for this would be great - we could offload usb transactions (synchronously) to the other processor whilst the main cpu does its normal thing |
| 18:52:42 | ccitt | so you could actually use usb AND listen to music at the same time |
| 18:53:08 | midkay_ | if i was plugged into USB at my computer i'd probably be listening to music off the computer anyways.. |
| 18:53:22 | midkay_ | being tethered up to a seperate device sounds a little annoying. |
| 18:54:03 | markun | midkay_: I'm sitting here at work behind my computer and still use my Gigabeat |
| 18:54:05 | ccitt | not at all |
| 18:54:32 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I think I've fixed the vorbis and m4a problems - new patch in the same place: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/test_codec.diff |
| 18:54:34 | ccitt | i for one, dont have the extra space on my laptop for my tunes - so i keep them on my pod - my laptop has too many VMs and other work-type stuff |
| 18:54:52 | midkay_ | at work sounds fine.. but i only plug my ipod in at home. and my entire library's on my computer anyways.. i'd far prefer to listen on there. much easier/quicker to navigate and build playlists and stuff. |
| 18:54:53 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I had just not implemented some of the codec API... |
| 18:55:00 | midkay_ | that makes sense. |
| 18:55:38 | testdasi | btw, I submitted the more calibrated voltage on #6860 |
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| 18:57:58 | midkay_ | back in a bit.. |
| 18:58:08 | Nico_P | linuxstb: I'll test |
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| 18:58:46 | linuxstb | Nico_P: MP3 still doesn't work, but I know why (the main stack is too small). Hopefully all other codecs will work now though. |
| 18:59:17 | Nico_P | ok |
| 18:59:42 | amiconn | ccitt: On devices where USB has to be done in software, we could theoretically allow USB and normal use in parallel. There is no need for a second core in order to do this |
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| 19:01:13 | amiconn | Whether we actually want to do this is another question - there are so many problems related to the fact that filesystems usually assume that they have exclusive access to the medium |
| 19:02:05 | amiconn | Of course rockbox would know that this assumption is wrong, but the filesystem on the PC side would not. |
| 19:02:54 | preglow | yeah, let's not have to worry about fs locking and the like |
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| 19:03:06 | amiconn | This creates serious problems even if we limit rockbox' access to read-only |
| 19:03:19 | preglow | kiss, etc |
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| 19:03:58 | amiconn | The PC file system might hold back some write data, leaving the actual medium in an inconsistent state until unmount |
| 19:04:23 | amiconn | (more of a problem with linux than with windows) |
| 19:06:30 | linuxstb | If Rockbox can decode a 2-minute track in 1 minute, would you call that 50% realtime or 200% realtime? |
| 19:06:48 | amiconn | 200% |
| 19:07:17 | amiconn | Or rather, decoding *speed* is 200% realtime, decoding *time* is 50% realtime |
| 19:07:55 | linuxstb | OK, I'll go with 200%... |
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| 19:08:30 | Nico_P | linuxstb: there's no way to abort decoding ? |
| 19:08:40 | Rincewind_ | testdasi: if you are into patching, you can try my runtime scaling patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7092 |
| 19:08:50 | linuxstb | Nico_P: No. But there will be once I move it to its own thread. |
| 19:10:12 | Nico_P | ok |
| 19:10:26 | Nico_P | it's decoding a long M41 file atm |
| 19:10:31 | Nico_P | M4A* |
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| 19:16:44 | Nico_P | linuxstb: I guess a progressbar would be quite easy to add ? |
| 19:17:25 | Nico_P | and useful info about the file |
| 19:17:50 | Nico_P | (codec, bitrate, duration, filesize...) |
| 19:18:32 | testdasi | Rincewind_: thanks :D |
| 19:19:09 | Nico_P | the decoding ended and I couldn't see the results because my pressing the quit button had been recorded |
| 19:19:19 | Rincewind_ | if you try it out, please give me some feedback |
| 19:19:38 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I guess those could be added (not sure about the need for a progress bar though...). Anyway, I think I've had enough of it for today, so I'll commit it. |
| 19:19:57 | linuxstb | It will be like the other test plugins - not built by default. |
| 19:20:34 | Nico_P | ok |
| 19:21:03 | Nico_P | is there a wiki page about these test plugins ? |
| 19:21:55 | Nico_P | I just tried an MPC file (340 secs)... 49 sec decoding (14,63 %) |
| 19:24:04 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I don't think so. |
| 19:24:16 | linuxstb | OK, committed. |
| 19:24:24 | preglow | Nico_P: what target? |
| 19:24:31 | Nico_P | preglow: gigabeat |
| 19:24:35 | preglow | right :/ |
| 19:24:38 | preglow | 700% realtime isn't bad |
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| 19:24:52 | preglow | i would have expected more on gigabeat, really |
| 19:25:12 | Nico_P | the MPC codec needs optimising ? :) |
| 19:25:26 | preglow | heh |
| 19:25:37 | preglow | mpc is pretty much the only codec that works on pp5002, i think |
| 19:25:48 | * | linuxstb mumbles something about FLAC |
| 19:26:07 | preglow | oh, i remember how i swore i'd never touch musepack again, before it was that fast... |
| 19:26:26 | Nico_P | linuxstb: the progressbar could be nice because it's not very easy to get a sense of the progress with big numbers |
| 19:26:40 | linuxstb | FLAC is 1739% realtime on the gigabeat... |
| 19:26:44 | preglow | ahahaha |
| 19:27:12 | Nico_P | preglow: I have an M4A file deconding atm |
| 19:27:24 | preglow | m4a decoder is shit slow |
| 19:27:50 | david1 | where can i see how much % realtime it is? |
| 19:27:54 | Nico_P | we're waiting for a better one, aren't we ? |
| 19:29:23 | Lear | Hoping for, I'd say... :) |
| 19:29:24 | Nico_P | david1: with the new codec test plugin |
| 19:29:39 | Nico_P | Lear: it's supposed to come from FFMpeg ? |
| 19:29:56 | Lear | If they ever finish it... |
| 19:29:59 | joshin | Is there a way to play files at >1x speed? Would be nice for podcasts and some books on 'tape'? |
| 19:30:19 | david1 | ok, thx |
| 19:30:56 | Nico_P | OK, my M4A file decoded at 22.76% realtime (426 / 1875 secs) |
| 19:31:44 | linuxstb | Nico_P: You should update your plugin - I've reversed the percentage calculation now. |
| 19:31:52 | Nico_P | doing that now |
| 19:32:44 | linuxstb | More tests on the gigabeat, my 128kbps AAC test file decodes at 467.66% realtime. My -q7 vorbis file is 502.94% |
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| 19:33:13 | Nico_P | not too bad for the AAC decoder, is it ? |
| 19:33:40 | preglow | 22.76% realtime? it didn't even decode realtime? |
| 19:33:42 | linuxstb | It's much better than it used to be. |
| 19:34:14 | linuxstb | preglow: He's using an old version of my plugin with the percentage calculated the opposite way |
| 19:34:16 | Nico_P | preglow: it's inverted |
| 19:34:26 | preglow | oh... |
| 19:34:37 | preglow | someone make a benchmarking framework, please :> |
| 19:34:41 | Lear | nico_p: given that it is not really optimized, yes. |
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| 19:34:55 | linuxstb | preglow: What do you mean by benchmarking framework? |
| 19:35:23 | preglow | linuxstb: way to test speed of codec plugs |
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| 19:40:57 | Nico_P | 685.34% for an MPC file :) |
| 19:43:51 | Nico_P | would there be an easy way to measure how much CPU time is spent in the WPS rendering ? |
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| 19:58:33 | linuxstb | joshin: Yes, Rockbox has a pitch control which allows you to change the pitch (and hence the speed) of playback. |
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| 20:14:21 | juxtap | be nice to change speed without altering pitch |
| 20:14:26 | juxtap | for jazz musicians |
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| 20:22:21 | * | amiconn thinks that these performance tests are more usefull on the non-overpowered targets |
| 20:22:34 | amiconn | linuxstb: Does it handle libmad now? |
| 20:22:38 | The-Compiler | Hi |
| 20:22:54 | amiconn | Ah, no, the commit msg says it... |
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| 20:27:53 | preglow | linuxstb: why, that's exactly what i want :P |
| 20:28:03 | preglow | i didn't notice it |
| 20:28:27 | preglow | that's great |
| 20:28:28 | preglow | absolutely great |
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| 20:33:58 | * | amiconn wonders whether preglow will put the greatness of this plugin to use :) |
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| 20:39:54 | Llorean | linuxstb: Do you have any SBR AAC files by chance? |
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| 20:42:12 | juxtap | id1 |
| 20:42:18 | juxtap | er,oops |
| 20:42:22 | Nico_P | Llorean: I think I have some |
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| 20:43:47 | Llorean | Nico_P: I was just curious how they compare with the test_codec plugin, since someone was talking about them skipping on their player. |
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| 20:45:35 | Lear | nico_p: You sent a link of one to me one, didn't you? |
| 20:45:36 | joshin | cool, thanks linuxstb. I'll check that out today. |
| 20:45:45 | Nico_P | Lear: yes |
| 20:46:07 | Lear | Then you do have some. :) |
| 20:46:24 | Nico_P | ok :) |
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| 20:47:17 | Nico_P | they work fine now btw |
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| 20:50:01 | preglow | if sbr files currently decode realtime at all, i'll be very, very surprised |
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| 20:50:47 | Llorean | preglow: I'm pretty sure they don't, but I was curious in regards to the Gigabeat. |
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| 20:51:09 | Llorean | As I said, someone mentioned them skipping, once the pitch problem was fixed. |
| 20:51:13 | preglow | amiconn: the second i have time for it, heh |
| 20:52:02 | preglow | linuxstb: would be kinda cool with an option to benchmark the dsp system too :) |
| 20:53:42 | Nico_P | preglow: i'm pretty sure they're realtime on the gigabeat |
| 20:55:57 | preglow | well |
| 20:56:17 | preglow | not much of a point talking about what's realtime on gigabeat, now is it? :) |
| 20:56:39 | * | preglow remembers when mp3 decoded at below 10% realtime on coldfire |
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| 21:41:08 | saratoga3 | does ffmpeg have a dicussion forum or is it all their mailing list? |
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| 21:46:21 | Nico_P | err... am I the only one having menu weirdness |
| 21:46:23 | Nico_P | ? |
| 21:46:35 | * | petur receives a strange personal message on the forum |
| 21:47:16 | petur | anybody receive a PM from a company called 'Mach Speed Technologies'? |
| 21:48:17 | * | ender` yawns |
| 21:48:40 | petur | ender` should show us his quit message :p |
| 21:49:06 | bluebrother | hmm. Isn't the text viewer supposed to save the last position of the last couple of files? |
| 21:50:32 | ender` | petur: only when i quit :) |
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| 21:51:54 | * | petur nudges Bagder towards his mailbox |
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| 21:54:21 | pixelma | Nico_P: what weirdnesses and what build are you running - JdGordon was working on them today. His first "fix" (for non-scrolling menu items) was messing it up even more (as he said) but then he committed a second fix. |
| 21:55:10 | Nico_P | pixelma: I have the latest (with kkurbjun's buttonlight tweaks) |
| 21:55:27 | Nico_P | menus don't get redrawn immediatly |
| 21:55:42 | Nico_P | they only do after several keypresses |
| 21:56:30 | Llorean | Nico_P: Someone reported that on the forums earlier, too. |
| 21:56:46 | Llorean | Maybe just a missing lcd update? |
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| 22:01:17 | pixelma | hmm... I have something like that too (with the build before on M5). When I enter a settings menu for example, and chose another setting or cancel (what should drop me back to the menu level above) it will still show the settings (and if cancelled the splash stays) until I press another button |
| 22:03:36 | pixelma | (or the same again) |
| 22:04:00 | NeoZidane | erm ahem, query here |
| 22:04:09 | * | NeoZidane sticks up quaestion mark on forehead |
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| 22:04:54 | Llorean | NeoZidane: Generally you should just ask a question, rather than asking to ask. :-P |
| 22:04:59 | * | pixelma recommends to just ask |
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| 22:05:07 | linuxstb_ | saratoga: I noticed in the logs a week or so ago you asked about ARM inline assembler - did you find this page? http://www.ethernut.de/en/documents/arm-inline-asm.html (I found it a very helpful introduction) |
| 22:05:20 | NeoZidane | ipod, formatted for Mac, is it using FAT? |
| 22:05:47 | AceNik___ | hey guys if i want to sugest rockbox to be associated with another project would it be possible , & whom do i contact in that case |
| 22:05:47 | Llorean | No, formatted for Mac is HFS+ |
| 22:05:58 | NeoZidane | and i format it for Fat how? |
| 22:06:02 | Llorean | AceNik___: I'm not even sure what you mean by that |
| 22:06:19 | Dark_Apostrophe | NeoZidane is installing Debian and wants to use his iPod for backup |
| 22:06:28 | Llorean | NeoZidane: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 |
| 22:06:31 | NeoZidane | aha |
| 22:06:33 | AceNik___ | well though if rockbox could be integrated with phones? |
| 22:06:38 | NeoZidane | merci beaucoup |
| 22:06:56 | badsheepy | i think itd eat the batteries beyond belief? |
| 22:06:59 | AceNik___ | & also thought bout a open source phone already being in developement |
| 22:06:59 | Llorean | AceNik___: Rockbox is an MP3 player firmware, it's totally unsuited for being a firmware for phones. |
| 22:07:15 | Llorean | badsheepy: Why would you assume that? |
| 22:07:23 | Dark_Apostrophe | If you want phone firmware, check out trolltech's qtopiea |
| 22:07:26 | Dark_Apostrophe | qtopia* |
| 22:07:29 | preglow | saratoga3: afaik, only mailing list |
| 22:07:39 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's based on the Linux kernel |
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| 22:07:50 | badsheepy | cause of the time the battery lasts on my ipod |
| 22:07:51 | preglow | saratoga3: they do have a channel on freenode, thougfh |
| 22:07:57 | preglow | saratoga3: #ffmpeg |
| 22:08:01 | Llorean | badsheepy: Yes, but that's only because PortalPlayer is stupid. |
| 22:08:02 | AceNik___ | ya but cant a part of it be used to port it to a phone , like the iphone for instabce , has the ipod n phone , so i found a phone that is capable of the same , in opne source , n needs support |
| 22:08:18 | linuxstb_ | preglow: Yes, dsp should straightforward to add to test_codec. I also want to add an option to write to a WAV file so we can test for accuracy. |
| 22:08:27 | badsheepy | well why isnt relavent is it, more that it does :) |
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| 22:08:30 | Llorean | badsheepy: Rockbox on other devices gets better battery life than the original firmware, so you shouldn't make assumptions based upon our most poorly supported hardware. |
| 22:08:37 | badsheepy | well i would imagine so |
| 22:08:48 | badsheepy | but then, a phone is more unsupported than an ipod |
| 22:09:05 | Nico_P | pixelma: I get what you described a bit earlier |
| 22:09:08 | Llorean | An "Open source" phone, as was discussed, should have hardware docs |
| 22:09:26 | Llorean | Look at the Gigabeat. Newer support than iPod support, but we're already getting comparable/better battery time. |
| 22:09:40 | badsheepy | even proper mp3 playing phones dont last long enough to make them worthwhile imo |
| 22:10:17 | Llorean | Yeah, I'm not a fan of making phones do anything beyond phonecalls, and maybe address book / PDA / internet functions if they're a "smartphone" |
| 22:10:36 | AceNik___ | Llorean: check pvt |
| 22:10:39 | Llorean | But Rockbox isn't really suited for phones anyway, it's mostly centered around the audio playback function. |
| 22:10:52 | Llorean | AceNik___: I haven't received one, I'm assuming because your nick isn't registered. |
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| 22:12:03 | bluebrother | hmm. Why has this Qt Greenphone a camera? :/ |
| 22:12:03 | AceNik___ | Llorean: now ? |
| 22:12:09 | Llorean | AceNik___: No. |
| 22:12:37 | AceNik___ | Llorean: how do u create a different channel then , iremember someone doin that |
| 22:13:12 | Llorean | AceNik___: I'm not joining a different channel, I have no interest in discussing non-Rockbox talk right now, and if it's Rockbox related, I don't see why you can't say it publicly. |
| 22:13:43 | AceNik___ | #rockbox-Ace join this im not declaring company names till now publicly |
| 22:13:48 | preglow | linuxstb_: would be exceedingly cool |
| 22:14:16 | AceNik___ | & yes it is very much rockbox related , jus extending support |
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| 22:15:19 | Llorean | AceNik___: If you want Rockbox on a new device, go ahead and work on it. Device owners are the ones who do ports. |
| 22:15:29 | markun | petur: yes, I got the mail too |
| 22:15:48 | Llorean | petur: Was the message spam, and if so, is there a forum username I need to look at? |
| 22:15:54 | petur | sounds quite real |
| 22:16:07 | petur | user "Mach Speed" |
| 22:16:25 | petur | device = http://www.machspeed.com/specs/mp3/tv5.htm |
| 22:16:47 | AceNik___ | Llorean: ppl so stubborn , leave it , ul not worth it |
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| 22:17:24 | Llorean | AceNik___: Seriously, I'm not interested in anything you can't say publicly, because honestly, if you can't say it in the open, you probably shouldn't be saying it behind closed doors. |
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| 22:18:10 | petur | markun: I forwarded mine to Bagder |
| 22:18:33 | petur | seems too much video oriented |
| 22:18:37 | markun | petur: he probably got it too, I think they were forwarded by Jeff, no? |
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| 22:21:12 | markun | Llorean: was he talking about the phone for OpenMoko? |
| 22:22:04 | Llorean | markun: I dunno, he wasn't willing to state openly what he was talking about. |
| 22:22:23 | markun | weird |
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| 22:24:15 | markun | Llorean: this might be the phone he's talking about: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 |
| 22:24:48 | markun | I listened to an interview with a german guy working on the project |
| 22:25:04 | markun | they chose the components to have docs freely available |
| 22:25:25 | markun | for the 'PDA' part of the phone that is |
| 22:25:47 | iobound_ | hi guys, i noticed the "rockbox.iriver" binary from the H300 cvs builds is now inside the ".rockbox" directory, does the v5 boot loader work with that, or do I need to flash a CVS bootloader? Or do I have to move the file to the root drive? |
| 22:26:07 | iobound_ | I haven't upgraded since an late 2006 build |
| 22:26:10 | Llorean | iobound_: I believe you need the v6 bootloader, but not SVN bootloader |
| 22:26:19 | pixelma | kkurbjun: seen the red in "gigabeat boot"? |
| 22:26:24 | bluebrother | h100 needs v6 bootloader. Not sure about h300. |
| 22:26:38 | petur | Llorean: v5 is the latest released bootloader for h300 |
| 22:26:54 | markun | Llorean: similar CPU as the Gigabeat: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Neo1973_Hardware |
| 22:27:32 | iobound_ | Llorean, is there a v6 bootloader for h300, i could only find a v5 on the wiki |
| 22:27:43 | iobound_ | yeah as the others said |
| 22:27:58 | iobound_ | ok, so that old v5 bootloader will find rockbox.iriver in the .rockbox folder? |
| 22:28:04 | petur | yes |
| 22:28:11 | markun | kkurbjun: and maybe it's a good idea to commit in smaller steps? |
| 22:28:21 | iobound_ | alright, thanks a lot, i'm going to try upgradring |
| 22:28:27 | Llorean | petur: Oh, I missed the "h300" bit, I read "h100" for some reason |
| 22:28:44 | Llorean | I thought H300 wasn't up to v5 yet, and so read what I expected to see. =/ |
| 22:29:03 | iobound_ | do i have to reboot to get into usb mode or does the main rockbox "OS" have an usb mode too? |
| 22:29:13 | iobound_ | nevermind, it worked! |
| 22:29:14 | petur | just plug the cable |
| 22:29:33 | iobound_ | i'll stop asking dumb questions and start doing stuff now :) |
| 22:29:39 | bluebrother | usb works fine on all targets that have usb in hardware |
| 22:29:51 | bluebrother | i.e. all (?) non-pp targets |
| 22:30:21 | preglow | merbanan: still no pong from the wma dude? :/ |
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| 22:30:34 | merbanan | nope |
| 22:30:55 | preglow | hrmf |
| 22:31:02 | preglow | would be seriously uncool having to duplicate his efforts |
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| 22:31:20 | preglow | seems like a guy who knows what he's doing too |
| 22:31:41 | markun | preglow: marsdaddy? |
| 22:32:02 | preglow | markun: no, someone who said he'd optimise wma for arm on the ffmpeg list |
| 22:32:07 | markun | ah yes |
| 22:32:35 | iobound_ | did anyone do any more work on the dumb plugin? i submitted a patch that could do 100% perfect disk writes but not in realtime |
| 22:32:44 | preglow | not that i know of |
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| 22:34:17 | digerati1338 | Is there any good reason why the sansa isn't part of the table on the PluginIndex page? |
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| 22:34:24 | merbanan | preglow: some optimizations are already commited to ffmpeg svn |
| 22:35:19 | bluebrother | digerati1338, I think it's only because nobody has added it yet |
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| 22:41:18 | markun | hi mrk, still having fun with rockbox? |
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| 22:42:36 | preglow | merbanan: yeah, but none fixed point related, no? |
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| 22:43:53 | mrk | markun: enough fun :P |
| 22:44:03 | markun | good |
| 22:44:03 | mrk | going to try and *maybe* get album art working today |
| 22:44:15 | markun | who needs album art.. |
| 22:44:15 | mrk | and if that's doable, I want to get mpegviewer on |
| 22:44:27 | mrk | I like mine :P. most albums I listen to have nice art. |
| 22:44:29 | markun | well, mpegplayer is already installed |
| 22:44:49 | mrk | hm? |
| 22:44:54 | mrk | I thought you had to download it... |
| 22:44:56 | markun | mrk: try one of the last 2 movies: http://mikachu.rockbox.org/ |
| 22:45:01 | markun | no, you don't |
| 22:45:14 | mrk | it's not under plugins on my player.... |
| 22:45:19 | linuxstb_ | mrk: Out of curiousity, why did you think you had to download it? |
| 22:45:39 | bluebrother | not under plugins in the wiki? manual? |
| 22:45:56 | mrk | on the player itself |
| 22:45:57 | markun | mrk: no, because it's a viewer, you start it by clicking on a mpeg file |
| 22:46:01 | mrk | oh. |
| 22:46:08 | markun | just like the gameboy emo |
| 22:46:09 | markun | emu |
| 22:46:20 | mrk | I see, thanks <_<. I feel more stupid than I usually do here <_< |
| 22:46:37 | mrk | something else... I *love* that the remote works perfectly |
| 22:46:38 | bluebrother | like the text viewer ;-) |
| 22:46:43 | mrk | and can even be used to turn it on |
| 22:46:53 | linuxstb_ | mrk: It's very common for people to assume all plugins are available under Browse Plugins... :) |
| 22:47:05 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 22:47:20 | mrk | Hm. so any suggestions for a video encoder? I'll be transcoding from avi... |
| 22:47:39 | mrk | I have a converter, just not sure if there's a better one out there. |
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| 22:47:50 | markun | mrk: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 22:49:07 | merbanan | preglow: no, but it would speed up the decoding anyway |
| 22:49:47 | markun | about the Gigabeat remote: the volume buttons are now mapped to UP and DOWN |
| 22:49:47 | mrk | markun: I see, about the downloading, or lack thereof. I'd read that page before, but must have skipped that somehow. |
| 22:50:06 | markun | we could map them to VOL_UP and VOL_DOWN |
| 22:50:21 | mrk | markun: I'm not sure what you mean? The difference between the two, I'm referring to... |
| 22:51:08 | markun | mrk: you're referring to... what? |
| 22:51:34 | mrk | the difference between up/down and vol_up/vol_down |
| 22:51:41 | mrk | I mean, I understand it on the player, but not on the remote |
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| 22:52:36 | jhMikeS | is the gigabeat supposed to have a button light on the cross? |
| 22:52:42 | mrk | nope |
| 22:52:47 | markun | mrk: on the player the up and down buttons only change the volume in the WPS |
| 22:52:52 | jhMikeS | oh, so nothing's broken :) |
| 22:53:15 | mrk | just on the sides. to be honest, I would be annoyed if the front glowed to. and the side buttons don't glow in rockbox. dunno if it's be possible for that to be an option, maybe? |
| 22:53:18 | markun | mrk: so the remote buttons for vol+ and - also only work in the wps to change the volume |
| 22:53:25 | mrk | oh, I see. |
| 22:53:27 | Llorean | markun: Does that mean you won't be able to navigate with the remote anymore? If so, I don't like it. |
| 22:53:36 | jhMikeS | the new patch slows the backlight fade a lot, and the timeout menu doesn't exit right |
| 22:53:37 | Llorean | As in, navigate the filetree/browser |
| 22:53:39 | Domonoky | has anyone else of the devs also got a message from "Mach Speed technologies" in the Forum ? |
| 22:53:40 | markun | Llorean: ok, that's what I wanted to know |
| 22:53:43 | jhMikeS | s/patch/commit/ |
| 22:53:57 | markun | Llorean: for me it doesn't matter |
| 22:54:03 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: Do you know if anything bad will happen if I steal the codec thread's stack whilst the codec thread is waiting for a message on its queue? |
| 22:54:08 | mrk | that's not too much of a problem for me... if I'm using the remote, the players locked on the wps in my pocket |
| 22:54:10 | Llorean | markun: For me it does, though only a moderate amount. |
| 22:54:16 | markun | Domonoky: yes, me and petur |
| 22:54:21 | markun | amiconn as well I think |
| 22:54:31 | * | jhMikeS 's gigabeat has locked |
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| 22:54:50 | Domonoky | okey, so someone with more knowlege than me can answer them.. :-) |
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| 22:54:57 | markun | jhMikeS: and kkurbjun is very silent |
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| 22:55:38 | jhMikeS | linuxstb_: codec has no queue |
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| 22:55:52 | jhMikeS | oh wait, duh |
| 22:56:04 | mrk | the battery on the gigabeat kicks ass :P |
| 22:56:38 | jhMikeS | linuxstb_: nothing should come of it as long as the thread doesn't get scheduled again |
| 22:56:49 | markun | mrk: I don't think you can easily mod your Gigabeat to have a glowing front |
| 22:57:10 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: That's what I'm asking - it will only get woken up when a message is sent to its queue? |
| 22:57:20 | mrk | oh, sorry for being unclear. I meant to make it an option in rockbox to have the *side* button lights be on or off |
| 22:57:35 | jhMikeS | linuxstb_: it's an inifinite wait? then no. |
| 22:57:43 | jhMikeS | it's on the the block_list |
| 22:59:21 | * | jhMikeS thinks he knows what going on with the gigabeat goofiness...his patch with system queues is applied :\ |
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| 23:00:00 | markun | mrk: that should work with the latest build, but I believe there are some problems |
| 23:00:18 | mrk | does anybody else's gigabeat not realize that it's connected to the computer when it's in its dock? |
| 23:00:39 | mrk | markun: oh? would I have to enable the option, or would it be visible by default? |
| 23:00:42 | markun | mrk: did you try the usb/line-out switch on the cradle? |
| 23:01:04 | mrk | wtf. I never put it to line-out :(. |
| 23:01:08 | mrk | that did fix it, though :P |
| 23:01:34 | markun | I think you need to enable it, but it was committed just a few hours ago |
| 23:02:02 | mrk | ah, that's pretty cool. it's nice to see how fast rockbox changes. |
| 23:02:13 | Llorean | Do the "new" button light options have the same choices as the debug menu? |
| 23:02:49 | markun | Llorean: no, I think he removed the HDD blinking for now |
| 23:02:55 | Llorean | The "options" seemed somewhat arbitrary. You could have half or all of them on, but you didn't have the option to make half of them dim, or dim flashing for the HDD, or so on. |
| 23:03:18 | jhMikeS | hmmm...maybe not, no new queue_post calls were added :\ |
| 23:03:36 | markun | Llorean: it should be split in multiple settings imo |
| 23:03:43 | Llorean | It seemed to me there should've been a "Buttons on Backlight" and a "Buttons on HDD" option |
| 23:04:00 | Llorean | Each with "Dim, Bright, Power/Menu bright, Power/Menu Dim" kinda thing |
| 23:04:06 | markun | yes, that was the idea gotthardt was working on |
| 23:04:12 | Llorean | Okay, good |
| 23:04:21 | markun | but then he became too busy with work |
| 23:04:34 | Llorean | No worries, just making sure someone else agrees that it should at least be split. :) |
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| 23:07:07 | webguest26 | hi i know this may be a question that has nothing to do with rockbox. But I would really aprreciate it (cant spell that word) if somebody told me where i can download the ipod updator and not itunes please and thank you!!!! : ) |
| 23:07:35 | markun | webguest26: google doesn't find anything? |
| 23:07:48 | webguest26 | nope and all the links take me to itunes |
| 23:08:13 | bluebrother | there is a link at the IpodManualConvertionToFat32 page (or what was the page name?) |
| 23:08:33 | Llorean | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 |
| 23:08:49 | linuxstb_ | webguest26: The ipodwizard forums are probably a good place to look |
| 23:08:56 | webguest26 | thank you |
| 23:09:00 | webguest26 | : ) |
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| 23:09:27 | kurbjunk | markun, I will fix the red once I am done work |
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| 23:09:35 | bluebrother | ah no, was that page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore |
| 23:09:43 | kurbjunk | what were the features you wanted in the buttonlight driver? |
| 23:10:04 | bluebrother | hmm, seems I was too slow. The conversion page doesn't have the link :o |
| 23:10:20 | markun | kurbjunk: mayba hdd flashing is nice |
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| 23:11:28 | markun | kurbjunk: do you agree that it's nicer to commit each patch seperately? |
| 23:11:38 | kurbjunk | I was thinking about that, and it's something that could be done, but I think that there would have to be a mode setting that would effect the timeout setting though |
| 23:12:06 | kurbjunk | you would split the button init, power, and button lights up then? |
| 23:12:24 | kurbjunk | I guess it would be nicer in case a revert had to be done |
| 23:12:44 | markun | yes, and to see which of the commits cause a build failure |
| 23:13:03 | kurbjunk | is there an easy way to split up commits though, I guess I can write out teh specific files I want to comit rather then doing a tree commit |
| 23:13:05 | bluebrother | btw, red build for gigabeat bootloader ... |
| 23:13:15 | kurbjunk | the button lights caused the build failure |
| 23:13:34 | kurbjunk | bluebrother, yes, I saw, I will fix it in a couple of hours |
| 23:13:36 | markun | kurbjunk: if it's in separate files you can do that yes |
| 23:13:41 | bluebrother | kurbjunk, I usually only commit file based. It's more control IMO |
| 23:13:55 | kurbjunk | yes, I agree, but I'm also lazy |
| 23:13:59 | kurbjunk | :-D |
| 23:14:11 | bluebrother | always this lazy people in here ;-) |
| 23:14:18 | markun | kurbjunk: just supply a patch then and we will do the committing for you :) |
| 23:15:22 | mrk | ahhhhh! It's playing in fast motion, and I don't know how to stop it <_< |
| 23:15:42 | markun | mrk: press 'A' |
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| 23:15:45 | markun | or menu |
| 23:15:53 | mrk | neither are doing anything <_< |
| 23:15:57 | markun | hm.. |
| 23:16:08 | markun | then I don't know |
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| 23:16:37 | Snic42 | Anyone have a moment to help me with a bizzarre issue? Just wanna see if anyone has any ideas on this. |
| 23:16:49 | kurbjunk | markun, I don't know about adding the extra modes, the framework is there for them, the button/backlight driver is much more generic now, and the modes available should allow you to add in any mode that was in before, it's just alot of work to do it in a clean manner.. I think the flashing HD mode could also be added for the sansa if someone was interested in working on a generic method |
| 23:16:50 | mrk | agh. I pressed power once, and it seems to have frozen... |
| 23:17:16 | kurbjunk | rather reproduce any of the old modes |
| 23:17:42 | mrk | dammit. I plugged it into the computer... and the light turned off, but it's still frozen |
| 23:18:23 | mrk | do I have to reset the battery? |
| 23:18:32 | markun | probably |
| 23:18:33 | mrk | because it's not responding to any button presses whatsoever |
| 23:18:40 | mrk | will I lose anything if I do that? |
| 23:18:48 | markun | probably not |
| 23:18:50 | markun | :) |
| 23:18:54 | jhMikeS | the fading is not smooth now, the menu is still not exiting right :\ |
| 23:18:58 | mrk | huzzah! let's try it. |
| 23:19:02 | petur | markun, Domonoky: did any of you reply to the mach speed PM? |
| 23:19:07 | markun | not me |
| 23:19:22 | kurbjunk | I was interested in getting the button modes that we already support in the sansa (on, off, and different timeout settings) (effectively, on, off, and a more flexible follow) |
| 23:19:47 | * | petur writes mail... |
| 23:19:57 | Snic42 | Here's what's going on. I have Rockbox on my iPod, it's worked like a dream and done everything I've expected. Up until today I've been able to plug the unit into my Xbox360's USB ports and have it see the music and play through the Xbox with no problems. Today for apparently no reason it's not seeing it as an external device any longer, but is seeing it as an iPod and cannot see any of the music. |
| 23:20:14 | kurbjunk | JhMikeS: on the gigabeat? |
| 23:20:21 | jhMikeS | kurbjunk: yes |
| 23:20:23 | preglow | petur: delirium tremens was nice |
| 23:20:25 | Snic42 | Now, I've poured through the docs for some way of changing USB mode, but found nothing, so I assume it's just always in HDD mode when plugged through USB. |
| 23:20:49 | HellDragon | lol |
| 23:21:41 | markun | preglow: getting beer by mail now? |
| 23:22:10 | Snic42 | Oh and the really bizzarre thing is if I go to pictures, it shows the file tree. But, under Music it doesn't show the tree, just Artist, Playlists, etc... Anyone else run accross this issue before? |
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| 23:22:19 | preglow | markun: nope |
| 23:22:49 | kurbjunk | jhMikeS: the fading is slower because of the changes to the way that updating is done. I had talked with godhart about it and he felt that the changes were worth making as it allowed for more flexibility in th buttonlight driver. Now there is a dedicated state machine that handles the updates to the sc606 |
| 23:22:51 | preglow | just thought i'd mention it since he said the brewery wasn't too far off where he lived |
| 23:23:03 | kurbjunk | we could speed it up by increasing the step size |
| 23:23:03 | linuxstb_ | Snic42: I've no idea how the xbox360 works, but have you upgraded it's software recently? |
| 23:23:06 | preglow | then again, i guess most places in belgium would have at least ten close by :/ |
| 23:23:32 | HellDragon | a maze |
| 23:23:34 | petur | preglow: white building with a big pink elephant, you can't miss it :) |
| 23:23:52 | markun | kurbjunk: doesn't sound like a nice sollution |
| 23:23:53 | preglow | hahahaha |
| 23:24:14 | kurbjunk | markun, which solution would you propose? |
| 23:24:15 | linuxstb_ | Snic42: Also, there are two disk modes on the ipod - the "emergency" disk mode (in flash ROM) that Rockbox reboots into, and the disk mode that's part of the main Apple firmware. Do you get the same behaviour in both? |
| 23:24:26 | Snic42 | linuxstb: Nope, only thing I did was install the hacked media connect on my Gentoo Box so I can stream media from Linux over the network. Though this shouldn't affect the actual OS on the 360. |
| 23:24:37 | markun | kurbjunk: I would have to look at the code more closely |
| 23:24:49 | kurbjunk | the old one caused problems with teh buttonlights due to the problems figuring out when each register should be written to |
| 23:24:52 | petur | preglow: http://www.delirium.be/photo/localisation/facade%20bonne.bmp |
| 23:24:55 | Snic42 | linuxstb: Yeah, I've done the normal disk mode and the hold play and select disk mode, both behave the same. |
| 23:24:56 | kurbjunk | and when |
| 23:25:42 | kurbjunk | You could probably speed up the back light fading, but you wouldn't be able to fade the buttonlights at the same time |
| 23:25:57 | kurbjunk | or you could increase the step size |
| 23:26:04 | jhMikeS | kurbjunk: I don't have my backlight on full brightness but it's fading as though it is and seems to be wrapping around at the end |
| 23:26:07 | kurbjunk | but that will make it more choppy |
| 23:26:36 | H10_007quick | Does the wiki only make a revision if you check it when you edit it? |
| 23:26:42 | jhMikeS | why should it? |
| 23:26:47 | linuxstb_ | Snic42: Then I've no idea. I would have expected the xbox to always see the ipod as an ipod, and not as an external disk, so I'm surprised it worked in the past. |
| 23:26:48 | kurbjunk | jhMikeS, what setting are you using? |
| 23:26:51 | markun | kurbjunk: I don't see how fast and smooth fading will be impossible |
| 23:27:15 | H10_007quick | the little box I mean |
| 23:27:24 | jhMikeS | btw, how are buttons read on the gigabeat? adc through i2c? |
| 23:27:35 | markun | jhMikeS: dedicated gpio pins |
| 23:27:40 | kurbjunk | if you want to fade buttonlights and backlight independently it will be impossible without multiple writes to sc606 on each tick |
| 23:27:40 | bluebrother | not making a revision of the page doesn't make sense |
| 23:27:42 | jhMikeS | 32 |
| 23:27:52 | Snic42 | linuxstb: That's what I was afraid of, that it was a fluke that it worked in the first place. |
| 23:27:54 | Llorean | markun: Maybe just disable smooth fading if they set their fade time below the minimum for smooth fading? |
| 23:27:56 | bluebrother | I bet this only affects the "last changes" box at the start page |
| 23:28:02 | Llorean | Assuming we ever get the option to set a fade time. ;) |
| 23:28:16 | kurbjunk | the backlight and buttonlight registers on the sc606 each require a write |
| 23:28:45 | kurbjunk | jhMikeS, I will look into it, I havn't seen it wrap around, but I can try and replicate it |
| 23:28:53 | jhMikeS | I had a loss of buttons...with my patch applied, however that is odd since no new queue_post calls were used from an IRQ (that I could find) and it worked fine prior |
| 23:29:15 | jhMikeS | kurbjunk: right at the end of the fade, the brightness will blip up |
| 23:29:21 | H10_007quick | bluebrother: so every time I edit something and hit save it stores an original (revision)? |
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| 23:29:46 | kurbjunk | jhMikeS, ok, I will check that out and see if I can fix that |
| 23:29:50 | jhMikeS | I checked all this on clean SVN btw |
| 23:30:01 | bluebrother | it doesn't make sense storing a new revision of a page without creating a new revision −− it's what revision control is about, isn't it? |
| 23:30:20 | bluebrother | but the twiki website may clarify this completely. |
| 23:30:26 | mrk | Eeeeeee! Watching the office on the gigabeat. this is exciting <_< |
| 23:30:34 | kurbjunk | did any of you notice that everytime the gigabeat shutdown on before the patch it would spinup and write to the disk and then shutdown |
| 23:30:34 | mrk | any work being done on the seeking? |
| 23:30:43 | H10_007quick | ok |
| 23:30:44 | kurbjunk | now it doesn't do that unless there were changes to the menu settings |
| 23:30:48 | H10_007quick | just wondergin |
| 23:30:52 | kurbjunk | at least for me |
| 23:31:00 | kurbjunk | don't know if I was the only one getting that though |
| 23:31:14 | jhMikeS | kurbjunk: now that you mention it...I think it did ...hmmm |
| 23:32:55 | kurbjunk | yeah, for whatever reason my patch fixed that.. I don't know the cause of the problem though |
| 23:33:22 | H10_007quick | Why don't we have a wiki page for noobs? a collection of everywere they could go before they ask questions on the forums? |
| 23:33:36 | bluebrother | we have FAQ pages. |
| 23:33:41 | H10_007quick | yes |
| 23:33:53 | H10_007quick | but they are not well know about |
| 23:34:06 | scorche | H10_007quick: we already tell you where to go before asking questions.. |
| 23:34:07 | jhMikeS | something in the changes to the ata? |
| 23:34:16 | H10_007quick | People don't go there to look for help |
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| 23:34:28 | bluebrother | and if we add a new page, why would this change anything? |
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| 23:34:47 | H10_007quick | If we had a wiki page labled: The page for Noobs! |
| 23:34:47 | bluebrother | we have the FAQ pages, if people don't read it they also won't read any other page |
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| 23:35:05 | H10_007quick | I guess it could just be more inviting |
| 23:35:06 | Bagder | we had "for noobs" pages once |
| 23:35:11 | bluebrother | Noobs could also use the "manual" link in the left pane |
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| 23:35:18 | Bagder | they just went out of date because nobody cared to update them |
| 23:35:21 | bluebrother | ... which is quite exposed |
| 23:35:22 | kurbjunk | markun, you could do a fast fade with the buttonlights and backlight fading, but you would have to change the step size and that would increase the granularity, if you don't care about fading the buttonlights, then you could do a fast backlight fadeout by writing to more specific registers |
| 23:35:43 | kurbjunk | or you could increase the speed if you are fading the backlight and buttonlighs independently |
| 23:36:06 | kurbjunk | but if they are fading at the same time that would slow it down again |
| 23:36:37 | H10_007quick | yes but I was just thinking because I was new at this just recently. If there had been a page with links to all the pertinent wiki pages I may have learned faster |
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| 23:36:51 | * | jhMikeS thinks "faster i2c driver" |
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| 23:36:55 | bluebrother | isn't DocumentationIndex enough? |
| 23:37:16 | H10_007quick | The FAQ's answer some questions but they don't answer all of them |
| 23:37:17 | kurbjunk | or you could just say forget it, I'm going to write to the sc606 multiple times in a tick, and burn a bunch of cpu time in fading/backlight operations per tick |
| 23:37:28 | bluebrother | also, users should start with the manual anyway |
| 23:37:31 | scorche | H10_007quick: and what they dont answer, the manual does |
| 23:37:47 | H10_007quick | the Doc index is good but again new people won't go there |
| 23:37:54 | bluebrother | if you want to develop you need to read quite further anyway |
| 23:38:09 | scorche | and they would is we said "DocIndexForNoobs" |
| 23:38:10 | H10_007quick | I'm just saying that the wiki is a very scary place for new people |
| 23:38:13 | scorche | if? |
| 23:38:14 | bluebrother | so ... why don't do they go to the manual? |
| 23:38:25 | Snic42 | Alright, well I'm gonna poke around a bit more and see if I can find anything else on this. Thanks linuxstb for the input |
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| 23:38:33 | bluebrother | the wiki might be scary. The manual isn't in the wiki anymore, so ... |
| 23:38:42 | jhMikeS | ummm...we're writing i2c from an interrupt? |
| 23:38:47 | H10_007quick | true |
| 23:38:54 | scorche | i just dont understand how appending a "for noobs" to wiki pages would make people read them |
| 23:39:02 | bluebrother | I really don't think having (and maintaining) a noob-wiki-page would make any difference |
| 23:39:08 | bluebrother | except for the work of course ;-) |
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| 23:39:24 | H10_007quick | but my point is that all the information for noobs is out there on the wiki why not just a page of links |
| 23:39:26 | H10_007quick | ? |
| 23:39:50 | bluebrother | still, we have a manual |
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| 23:39:59 | bluebrother | which is the official documentation anyway. |
| 23:40:02 | Llorean | H10_007quick: Which information are you talking about, other than the stuff in the manual? |
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| 23:40:08 | iobound_ | wow, rockbox has come a LONG way in half a year |
| 23:40:13 | Llorean | H10_007quick: Noobs should not be reading the wiki until after they've read the manual |
| 23:40:33 | Snic | Huh, found it quicker than I thought. If anyone's interested, delete the ipod_control folder from your iPod and it works just fine |
| 23:41:26 | Llorean | I thought about that, but I assumed that by "for apparently no reason" you hadn't done anything different from normal. |
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| 23:41:52 | * | ender` never read the rockbox manual |
| 23:41:59 | iobound_ | it's just so awesome! thanks to everyone involved! |
| 23:42:38 | Snic | That's the thing, I didn't do anything. It may have created itself when I plugged the ipod into my GF's machine, she has itunes on her system, but we didn't use itunes for anything |
| 23:42:47 | * | bluebrother wrote parts of the manual instead of reading it ;-) |
| 23:43:01 | kurbjunk | jhMikeS, the sc606 does not connect to the i2c interface |
| 23:43:08 | Llorean | Snic: It'll create itself if you boot into the original firmware, and I suspect the ipod process might create it too. |
| 23:43:13 | kurbjunk | it has to be bit banged |
| 23:43:29 | kurbjunk | and you can only run it up to 400 kHz |
| 23:43:40 | Llorean | Snic: Any time something suddenly stops working, you should always look for anything "new" you've done. Plugging it into a machine with iTunes might've been a good tip for what went wrong. ;-P |
| 23:43:49 | Snic | Well, lesson learned. Thanks again for the help, that was really starting to bug me. |
| 23:43:55 | kurbjunk | the i2c driver that hooks up to the codec chip could be improved though |
| 23:43:55 | jhMikeS | the generic driver tends to be clunky |
| 23:44:09 | iobound_ | is the 3.0 release far away? |
| 23:44:19 | Snic | Llorean: Yeah, I forgot I did that. I work lead tech at a tech support center and know how important it is to have EVERY bit of info |
| 23:44:20 | jhMikeS | you wouldn't believe the improvements on x5 after using an optimized one |
| 23:44:37 | scorche | iobound_: it isnt really a goal anymore |
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| 23:44:45 | kurbjunk | jhMikeS, the other problems with the sc606 is that it doesn't follow the full i2c specification |
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| 23:45:10 | Llorean | scorche: I think it should be though |
| 23:45:11 | iobound_ | scorche, okay, but the difference between the late 2006 builds and tonight's build is massive! and I think this should be more widely announced :) |
| 23:45:47 | scorche | Llorean: i wasnt offering an opinion...just a fact |
| 23:45:47 | jhMikeS | unless the only code that calls sc606_* functions is IRQ code, IRQs must be disabled by the non-irq code |
| 23:46:11 | Llorean | scorche: I'd really like to put together a plan of some sort for working toward 3.0, actually. Not involving dates, but specific goals of some sort, at least so there's something hanging over peoples' heads in a general way. |
| 23:46:28 | Snic | But yeah, that's the only thing I can think of, all of my personal computers are running either Gentoo or Ubuntu. So, no iTunes on any of those, but hook it into her system so she can grab some of my music and BAM, everything's hosed. |
| 23:46:30 | kurbjunk | all the sc606 calls are done in one thread that is called durring the tick task |
| 23:46:48 | H10_007quick | How do I create a new wiki page? |
| 23:46:49 | jhMikeS | tick tasks aren't threads |
| 23:46:56 | kurbjunk | sorry, not thread |
| 23:46:56 | scorche | Llorean: might be something to consider adding to the devcon idea list |
| 23:47:02 | linuxstb | Llorean: IMO the two main aims for 3.0 should be: 1) Get rombox back for all the Archos devices; 2) Have a playback engine everyone is happy with |
| 23:47:02 | iobound_ | i just told my ipod-shopping friend about rbx the other day and he hadn't heard about it, which is a shame (but he found it _very_ interesting). |
| 23:47:04 | kurbjunk | but tick task, irq code |
| 23:47:12 | kurbjunk | I mean sorry |
| 23:47:14 | Llorean | linuxstb: That's about how I feel too. |
| 23:47:16 | jhMikeS | np |
| 23:47:19 | H10_007quick | I think I will just work on making one and then if people don't want it, just delete it |
| 23:47:50 | Llorean | linuxstb: Basically, I'd like to put together a list of pre-freeze requirements. Something to say "We'll enter feature freeze when all of these are done." Of course, flexible enough to take into account changes. |
| 23:47:52 | kurbjunk | should probabyl fix that old comment then too |
| 23:47:55 | bluebrother | H10_007quick, why not search for the old pages? I guess they are still around |
| 23:48:08 | kurbjunk | jhMikeS, did you say that you were having trouble exiting the timeout menu? |
| 23:48:10 | jhMikeS | My buttons died once though, so something knocked out |
| 23:48:10 | H10_007quick | hmm |
| 23:48:20 | jhMikeS | kurbjunk: yes |
| 23:48:26 | iobound_ | anyway i'm going to go ahead and play with this new awesome toy, again thanks for the great work |
| 23:48:29 | Snic | Alright, take care guys. |
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| 23:48:36 | kurbjunk | what was the problem? |
| 23:48:39 | Llorean | And I think 3.0 should only had the H100/H300, for now. I'm not even sure the X5 is "release" ready yet, considering some of the hardware concerns relating to poor radio reception, and there's also the lack of dual boot. |
| 23:48:50 | Llorean | Well, previous targets + H100/300 |
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| 23:49:11 | H10_007quick | and H10\ |
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| 23:49:35 | scorche | Llorean: poor radio reception is typically due to poorly designed hardware |
| 23:49:35 | jhMikeS | If I Cancel, I have to push twice. If I push accept it just keeps going back to the menu |
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| 23:49:52 | scorche | i have no clue if it is this way on the x5, but just saying.. |
| 23:50:36 | kurbjunk | jhMikeS, that is strange, it's the same menu code that's used on the sansa, did you rerun configure? |
| 23:50:36 | Llorean | scorche: It's poorer than the original firmware. |
| 23:50:44 | jhMikeS | scorche: some changes I did help a lot for all targets in the US/Canada region but thing have to be done differenly for Europe for it to work correctly. |
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| 23:50:46 | kurbjunk | I don't think you need to though.. |
| 23:50:54 | petur | rofl |
| 23:50:59 | jhMikeS | kurbjunk: I'll try it out |
| 23:51:02 | scorche | hrm.. |
| 23:51:07 | petur | ender` finally quited |
| 23:51:36 | scorche | adding it to euro devcon sounds like a good idea...we can have a large discussion about it |
| 23:51:51 | jhMikeS | building... |
| 23:52:00 | Llorean | Oh, by the way, scorche, can you give me contact info or a website for the Devcon-W hotel? I have a few things I need to ask them (to determine if I need to pack some stuff) |
| 23:52:26 | * | amiconn doesn't think we'd need dual boot support on a target to be release ready |
| 23:52:28 | scorche | Llorean: i provided a link on the mails and the wiki page |
| 23:52:34 | pixelma | jhMikeS: that seems to be a menu bug introduced today |
| 23:52:36 | preglow | amiconn: agreed |
| 23:52:55 | Llorean | scorche: Okay, hadn't looked yet. |
| 23:52:56 | amiconn | We don't even need to support all hardware |
| 23:53:14 | scorche | Llorean: i am /still/ waiting on a call back from this guy...it is starting to piss me off...but it will save a lot of money =/ |
| 23:53:14 | Llorean | scorche: I'm going to try to get a stand-up whiteboard, since I think that could be quite useful. |
| 23:53:17 | amiconn | *iirc* the first release(s) for archos recorder didn't even support recording |
| 23:53:40 | petur | stability and usablility should be key factors |
| 23:53:40 | Llorean | But I've also heard that hotels can sometimes provide/loan similar things for conferences, so I figured I may as well check. |
| 23:53:44 | H10_007quick | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/QuickStart would that be the "noob" page? |
| 23:53:49 | scorche | good idea |
| 23:53:51 | amiconn | (iirc from reading back only - that was even before my time, which started with rockbox 2.0 on an archos recorder) |
| 23:54:07 | kurbjunk | jhMikeS, are you having trouble with other settings as well? |
| 23:54:11 | Llorean | H10_007quick: Have you answered as to what's missing from the manual, or what you think the page needs? |
| 23:54:15 | scorche | was planning on doing something similar with hooking my computer to the hdtv, but that will work too =) |
| 23:54:20 | bluebrother | H10_007quick, the h10 definitely won't be a 3.0 candidate |
| 23:54:29 | amiconn | petur: Yes. Apart from general stability there is one thing that needs to be done for X5 and M5, and that is power management |
| 23:54:33 | Llorean | scorche: A whiteboard is a bit more flexible for multiple users. |
| 23:54:34 | amiconn | (especially charging) |
| 23:54:39 | scorche | indeed |
| 23:54:43 | Llorean | But I'm all for a combination of strategies |
| 23:55:01 | | Quit Domonoky (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 23:55:18 | Llorean | H10_007quick: No PortalPlayer target currently has even an inkling of a chance of becoming release-capable until some major problems are solved. |
| 23:55:47 | preglow | like power management... |
| 23:56:03 | Llorean | Power Management and USB, I think. |
| 23:56:03 | H10_007quick | Llorean: Mainly just links to the various places for new people to find information that is not in the manual |
| 23:56:04 | bluebrother | but what's the exact status of the x5? Wouldn't that be a 3.0 candidate? |
| 23:56:11 | Llorean | And the ability to play music with full EQ safely |
| 23:56:20 | Llorean | H10_007quick: What information needs to be in the manual, but isn't then? |
| 23:56:22 | kurbjunk | so markun/jhMikeS, in summary I need to look at the blip at the end of fading and the red build immediately |
| 23:56:24 | Llorean | H10_007quick: Why not just fix teh manual? |
| 23:56:32 | bluebrother | H10_007quick, so what exactly are you missing in the manual? |
| 23:56:55 | H10_007quick | You guys just don't get it! |
| 23:57:02 | bluebrother | putting the information at some random place isn't a good way imo, all necessary information should be in the manual |
| 23:57:03 | H10_007quick | The manual is good |
| 23:57:08 | Llorean | bluebrother: The X5 is on the edge. Its radio seems to be questionable, and it doesn't have dual boot yet still, which seems to be a sticking point for some users. So I think the X5 can easily be argued either wya |
| 23:57:10 | kurbjunk | and possibly the menu if that is due to my commit, but on my older svn tree that worked fine for me, I need to check it in the latest tree too |
| 23:57:10 | | Part juxtap |
| 23:57:18 | amiconn | bluebrother: On X5 and M5 I don'tz trust rockbox at all regarding charging. I always charge in the cowon bootloader |
| 23:57:26 | jhMikeS | kurbjunk: I haven't had any yet...but it's hard to check them all out. I'm sure the button loss was due to my messing around with my patch though. |
| 23:57:28 | Llorean | H10_007quick: The manual is NOT good if it doesn't contain the information a "noob" needs. |
| 23:57:39 | bluebrother | hmm −− no hardware controlled charging on x5? |
| 23:57:42 | amiconn | Not that rockbox will hurt the battery, but it will probably take ages to charge (if it charges at all) |
| 23:57:43 | Llorean | H10_007quick: Our definition of "good" for the manual somewhat requires that. |
| 23:57:56 | H10_007quick | I don't mean to add information to the wiki, but to organize it by making a page for all the new poeple |
| 23:58:05 | kurbjunk | jhMikeS, ok, I'll look into the blip and red build then |
| 23:58:08 | bluebrother | the manual does not require the FAQ, but it requires everything to get started with Rockbox. |
| 23:58:17 | amiconn | bluebrother: It's a combination. The carging itself is hardware controlled, but current values can be changed by software |
| 23:58:24 | Llorean | H10_007quick: Again, why not fix the manual? What information is only available on the wiki, that you think noobs need? |
| 23:58:32 | bluebrother | the page for the new people is the manual |
| 23:58:39 | bluebrother | ah. |
| 23:58:43 | * | linuxstb benchmarks a random MP3 file as being 165% realtime on his ipod |
| 23:58:53 | amiconn | USB charging at 500mA needs quite special handling, which isn't done in rockbox afaik |
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