| 00:00:10 | markun | so it's not just my ears |
| 00:00:43 | * | scorche checks the logs |
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| 00:05:07 | scorche | i listen to music at -74 with my IEMs =P |
| 00:05:32 | markun | scorche: which DAP? |
| 00:05:41 | scorche | that is mute ;) |
| 00:05:47 | * | scorche cheers for line outs |
| 00:05:55 | Llorean | I listen at about -55 to -60 with my PX100s which are open, but my apartment is very quiet usually. |
| 00:08:13 | amiconn | scorche: On my preferred dap(s), -74dB isn't mute :P |
| 00:09:10 | scorche | amiconn: on my nano....unfortunately, my archos units are all out of commission until i break out the soldering iron |
| 00:11:42 | pixelma | Llorean: I listen at about the same volume in a quiet surrounding |
| 00:12:19 | pixelma | with open earplugs |
| 00:12:27 | saratoga | i'm just playing with the ffmpeg wma decoder now, and noticed something odd |
| 00:12:39 | amiconn | Archos player goes to -78dB, Irivers to -84dB. The other archoses could go down to -115dB but rockbox 'only' goes to -100dB for display reasons |
| 00:12:57 | saratoga | it seems to decode some files encoded with the WME tool, but not ones encoded with WMA11 |
| 00:13:13 | saratoga | is there some difference? |
| 00:13:30 | amiconn | There are several WMA format versions afaik |
| 00:13:43 | saratoga | yeah but foobar reports them both as wma std |
| 00:13:53 | amiconn | It's quite possible that the ffmpeg codec doesn't decode the newest ones |
| 00:14:03 | saratoga | though oddly one shows up as "wma v2" and the other as "wma9" |
| 00:14:29 | amiconn | Windows media player does display the WMA version |
| 00:14:49 | saratoga | well I downloaded the version I have now ages ago, so maybe this is fixed, just I'm really confused about why these files are different |
| 00:15:13 | saratoga | god damn it |
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| 00:15:49 | saratoga | wmp reports the broken one as a pro file |
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| 00:16:25 | saratoga | wmp reports the broken one as a WMA Pro file, so nevermind |
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| 00:18:08 | amiconn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Media_Audio |
| 00:18:43 | Rincewind | Llorean: did you have a look at my Runtime scaling patch? |
| 00:19:16 | Llorean | Rincewind: I've really done very little Rockbox related in the past few weeks, sorry. I haven't looked at it at all. |
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| 00:21:15 | amiconn | WMA is actually quite a collection of different codecs |
| 00:21:21 | Rincewind | I think it does what you said to be a solution when we last talked about the issue |
| 00:23:05 | Llorean | Rincewind: Sounds good. I will look at it at some point, I'm sure. I've just been quite busy. |
| 00:23:42 | saratoga | dumb question, but if ffmpeg returns a buffer of 2048 samples, is it likely theres 1024 left and then 1024 right samples, or is LRLRLRLRLRLR... more likely |
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| 00:24:47 | webguest67789456 | hi |
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| 00:24:52 | Rincewind | jdGordon had a look at the patch, but apart from that I got very little response to it yet. |
| 00:25:09 | webguest67789456 | can you play GBA? or just GBC |
| 00:25:42 | scorche | you cannot play GBA games |
| 00:26:01 | Rincewind | webguest67789456: you can also play the old gamboy roms (non-color) |
| 00:26:32 | webguest67789456 | ok thxs |
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| 01:15:59 | HellDragon | markun: because |
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| 01:22:05 | buleeahn | I've noticed an odd habit of rockbix on my ipod lately... |
| 01:22:21 | buleeahn | When the idle time is exceeded and the powersaving kicks in it's as if it totally powers down. |
| 01:22:34 | buleeahn | The next time I power the ipod back up it's as if it's a fresh boot. |
| 01:22:47 | buleeahn | Is there any way to get rockbox to mimic the default apple firmware in this regard? |
| 01:22:51 | Llorean | No. |
| 01:24:44 | buleeahn | Ok. |
| 01:24:51 | buleeahn | Llorean Thanks. |
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| 01:34:06 | matt___ | just installed rockbox on my ipod video 5th gen, i love it. however, what sohuld the battery setting be? |
| 01:34:28 | Llorean | Doesn't matter, it doesn't affect anything useful at the moment. |
| 01:34:28 | Soap | that function isn't working properly. |
| 01:34:37 | Soap | there is no "correct" setting at this time. |
| 01:35:10 | matt___ | Soap: Llorean both of you talking to me? you mean i should just set it to the lowest possible? |
| 01:35:24 | Llorean | We mean that you don't need to mess with it at all, it's useless right now |
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| 01:35:29 | badsheepy | where is the best place to look to start playing about with rockbox code, i looked in docs and the api one said it was obselete, but is there an equivalent, cause i couldnt find one |
| 01:35:35 | matt___ | Llorean: ok, thanks. |
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| 01:35:42 | Soap | yes we are both talking to you, no you shouldn't set it to the lowest. |
| 01:36:23 | matt___ | Soap: what should it be then, if it is too high, well, bad for the battery. but Llorean says it does nothing. |
| 01:36:47 | markun | badsheepy: did you download the source code? |
| 01:36:55 | badsheepy | yes i have been meddling in it |
| 01:36:57 | Soap | it does nothing - forget you saw the setting. |
| 01:37:16 | markun | badsheepy: and are you able to compile rockbox? |
| 01:37:19 | badsheepy | yeah |
| 01:38:00 | markun | is there anything in particular you want to work on? |
| 01:38:01 | badsheepy | i have been trying to add a setting but after modifying like 5 different files it still doesnt show up, so i was looking for an overview or something so i can see what i have missed without having to read the entire source first :) |
| 01:38:03 | Llorean | matt___: Seriously, it doesn't affect anything. The setting is used to estimate how much battery lifetime is left, in hours and minutes, but is entirely incorrect for iPods. It doesn't affect how the battery is used at all. |
| 01:38:46 | badsheepy | not really, i havent used c in so long i can barely remember how to use a pointer, im just interested in meddling with it a bit for now |
| 01:38:49 | markun | matt___: just ignore the setting |
| 01:38:49 | matt___ | Llorean: thank you for knowing. :) |
| 01:39:10 | matt___ | so, where can i find "icons" |
| 01:39:17 | matt___ | the default site seems to be down |
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| 01:41:09 | Llorean | What default site is that? |
| 01:41:13 | Llorean | The official site seems to be working fine. |
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| 01:50:12 | buleeahn | Is there a way to reorder the main menu selections? Or would that be a sourcecode change that would require compiling? |
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| 01:52:16 | TrueJournals | buleeahn: There is currently a patch in Flyspray for this. Yes, it would require compiling. Right now it seems as though it is a feature that will never be included in SVN because it is a feature that "would be too hard to support" |
| 01:52:32 | TrueJournals | See: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6718 |
| 01:53:28 | Llorean | TrueJournals: It also increases binary size and complexity |
| 01:53:49 | badsheepy | but itd be nice :) |
| 01:54:11 | Llorean | "Nice" isn't always good enough, when there are other considerations as well |
| 01:54:14 | TrueJournals | Llorean: I've heard binary size mentioned once, never heard complexity mentioned (and not sure what you mean by this...), really the main reason I've heard is a support issue... |
| 01:54:36 | Llorean | TrueJournals: Complexity, as in, the code becomes more complex. |
| 01:54:37 | buleeahn | But it's possible and I'm confident I can dig thru the code when I have the time. |
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| 01:54:49 | buleeahn | TrueJournals: Thanks! :) |
| 01:54:51 | TrueJournals | Llorean: Ah, I see |
| 01:54:55 | TrueJournals | No problem ;-) |
| 01:55:16 | Llorean | There's just not a good argument for it, other than "It'd be nice", and it makes things a bit nasty in a few areas. |
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| 01:56:12 | TrueJournals | Well, I suppose I can't help there, but that's something I'd like to see posted to FS. If you just read the FS entry, it seems like the only arguement is really a support issue. |
| 01:56:32 | Llorean | I suppose I could just close it with "Rejected" and be done with it... |
| 01:57:02 | buleeahn | Llorean: I'm curious by what you mean by "makes the code more complex"... |
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| 01:57:27 | buleeahn | Llorean: Do you mean that the functionality to allow the menu to be customized would be too complex? |
| 01:57:31 | buleeahn | Er... |
| 01:57:33 | buleeahn | I mean... |
| 01:57:33 | Llorean | buleeahn: Makes it harder for people to read and understand what's happening in the menu code, as well as adding new menus or creating their own ones, generally. |
| 01:57:45 | buleeahn | Allow the menu to be changed from within rockbox. |
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| 01:58:14 | buleeahn | Ok, so simply modifying the source code and changing the order of the main menu shouldn't be too challenging. |
| 01:58:35 | Llorean | It shouldn't be. |
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| 01:59:58 | Hilikus | hey guys |
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| 02:00:13 | TrueJournals | Hey |
| 02:00:21 | HellDragon | hey |
| 02:00:33 | Hilikus | can someone help me compile a windows sim under linux, if i follow the method in the wiki it creates a linux sum |
| 02:00:35 | Hilikus | sim* |
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| 02:01:04 | nediyim | hi |
| 02:01:20 | TrueJournals | hi |
| 02:01:43 | TrueJournals | Hilikus: Did you follow the instructions at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator#Building_Windows_sim_in_Linux ? |
| 02:02:58 | Hilikus | no, i followed http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 02:03:04 | Hilikus | im going to check that one |
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| 02:05:52 | nediyim | I couldn't find any licence information about rockbox... does anyone know anything about this issue? |
| 02:06:13 | Llorean | What issue, exactly? |
| 02:06:21 | nediyim | what is the license of rockbox? |
| 02:06:23 | Llorean | It's GPL licensed and contains the appropriate notification. |
| 02:06:44 | nediyim | great |
| 02:07:34 | nediyim | but I assume an appropriate notification should include a page in web also :) |
| 02:08:56 | scorche | not really... |
| 02:09:53 | Llorean | The source code itself is GPL licensed, as is the program, so the licenses are included with both of those |
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| 02:16:52 | nediyim | I actually downloaded the tarball but there's only one licence.txt which is related to dumb codec |
| 02:16:57 | nediyim | and it's not gpl... |
| 02:17:08 | nediyim | where is that appropriate notification in source code? |
| 02:17:31 | amiconn | docs/COPYING |
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| 02:18:03 | nediyim | yep I got it, thanks... |
| 02:18:32 | nediyim | I forgot to grep copy :) |
| 02:18:46 | nediyim | but really I would put the licence information in web also... |
| 02:18:51 | nediyim | it's useful |
| 02:19:37 | amiconn | Well, technically it's there |
| 02:19:40 | amiconn | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/docs/COPYING?view=markup |
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| 02:20:30 | nediyim | I was trying to say that it would be useful like in documentation etc. :) |
| 02:20:36 | nediyim | but doesn't matter at all.. |
| 02:21:18 | scorche | the manual is under the GFDL and it is in there |
| 02:22:47 | amiconn | The GPL is in the manual as well |
| 02:23:06 | nediyim | I should be missed it... Anyway it seems to be a great project... |
| 02:23:45 | nediyim | I hate the iPod is just playing mp3 where I prefer flac and ogg... and a solution like this is more than my every expectation... |
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| 02:26:30 | Hilikus | does anyone here use the contacts plugin? |
| 02:30:17 | nediyim | good day everyone.. |
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| 02:32:07 | Hilikus | :S that plugin has a lot of compile errors |
| 02:34:31 | badsheepy | i feel mighty stupid in that i didnt realise the sim ignored the firmware in the virtual drive and needed compiling |
| 02:34:45 | badsheepy | but at least now im not confused as to why nothing changed no matter what i do :D |
| 02:36:48 | Hilikus | why were all the defines in menu.h removed? |
| 02:37:12 | Hilikus | in feb 2007 |
| 02:37:40 | Llorean | Hilikus: What does the commit message for that change say? |
| 02:38:46 | Nico_P | jhMikeS ? |
| 02:39:01 | Hilikus | beginning of the new menu system. |
| 02:39:07 | Hilikus | hmmm |
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| 02:41:19 | JdGor|uni | stupid bloody non standard usb cable :'( codec error and no cable so im stuck in the OF today |
| 02:42:30 | TrueJournals | lol |
| 02:43:09 | Alonea | JdGor|uni: aww, poor dear. You will survive! |
| 02:43:19 | mrk | I'm probably going to try to do album art again today. I mean, it shouldn't be that, bad, but I *really* don't know what I'm doing. So when I go to actually start it and get it done, I just give up at the beginning, because I don't know where to start.... |
| 02:43:23 | JdGor|uni | barely.. the OF is really crap :) |
| 02:43:42 | Alonea | JdGor|uni: what player do you have? |
| 02:43:47 | Llorean | The Sansa I'm guessing |
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| 02:43:54 | JdGor|uni | yep, th sansa |
| 02:43:58 | Llorean | In which case he's entirely right, the OF is one of the most painful I've used. |
| 02:44:07 | Alonea | ah, ok. know nothing about them. |
| 02:44:24 | TrueJournals | OK... I need a bit of help.... where does SDL install to by default? |
| 02:44:43 | JdGor|uni | linux or windows? |
| 02:44:49 | TrueJournals | Under linux, for windows |
| 02:45:05 | JdGor|uni | ? |
| 02:45:14 | Alonea | vmware I thinks he means |
| 02:45:23 | TrueJournals | Not really |
| 02:45:29 | TrueJournals | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator#Building_Windows_sim_in_Linux |
| 02:45:43 | JdGor|uni | ah, cant help you threr |
| 02:46:16 | TrueJournals | trying to follow those directions... but since I run linux under coLinux with no X server, I will never need to compile the sim for Linux, so I just left out the "−−prefix=$SDLDIR" on the ./configure command... now I can't figure out where SDL is |
| 02:46:56 | TrueJournals | Ah, think I just found it |
| 02:47:44 | TrueJournals | Nevermind, got it |
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| 02:48:12 | Alonea | good! |
| 02:48:17 | TrueJournals | Just one quick question now... How do I keep my path even after logging out/logging in/rebooting? |
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| 02:49:34 | JdGor|uni | put it in your login script.. |
| 02:49:39 | JdGor|uni | .bashcr |
| 02:49:44 | JdGor|uni | .bashrc |
| 02:49:52 | TrueJournals | OK, let me try that... |
| 02:50:07 | badsheepy | .profile for me |
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| 02:53:25 | TrueJournals | That worked, thanks :-D |
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| 02:56:59 | TrueJournals | http://www.digg.com/gadgets/Audio_Menus_for_iPods#c6584670 |
| 02:57:06 | TrueJournals | ;-) |
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| 03:05:03 | Nico_P | linuxstb: you there ? |
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| 03:05:52 | earHertz | senab ever come her? |
| 03:06:21 | Nico_P | earHertz: I remember seeing him here but I don't remember him talking |
| 03:06:33 | earHertz | thanks |
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| 03:07:33 | Joely | hey Nico_P! |
| 03:07:51 | Nico_P | Joely: hi |
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| 03:09:10 | Joely | hehe i'm working on a good looking prototype of the ir module! i'm obsessive and determined to get this working :) |
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| 03:10:10 | Nico_P | nice |
| 03:10:22 | Nico_P | any code yet ? |
| 03:11:34 | Joely | well i still don't know what to do...plugin...codec, either i don't remember what the consensus was or no one is excited enough to give me an answer :-P |
| 03:11:45 | hcs | i'm in ur module workin on ur prototypez |
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| 03:18:02 | webguest74 | hello |
| 03:18:05 | webguest74 | someone there? |
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| 03:19:10 | webguest74 | hi |
| 03:19:15 | Llorean | WaReZ_LaD: Deny |
| 03:19:16 | WaReZ_LaD | hi |
| 03:19:23 | webguest74 | can you anwer me a question? |
| 03:19:24 | WaReZ_LaD | hokay, thanks. |
| 03:19:59 | Alonea | webguest74: all you have to do is just ask a question. no need to ask to ask |
| 03:21:00 | WaReZ_LaD | Alonea: I used to always type that myself until I realized that "yes" was only three keystrokes :] |
| 03:21:43 | Alonea | WaReZ_LaD: I don't mind typing it out. |
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| 03:21:56 | webguest74 | why i cant play music in my ipod nano wen i chargin it whit a wall charger? |
| 03:22:40 | Alonea | sorry, I don't know anything at all about ipods. |
| 03:24:29 | webguest74 | ok |
| 03:24:30 | webguest74 | tks |
| 03:25:18 | webguest74 | whith rockbox i cant play because it goes to disk mode wen im chargin it with usb |
| 03:25:21 | badsheepy | can you plug it in when its off, when i do that wih the pc usb cable it boots into rockbox with the c\able connected |
| 03:25:22 | webguest74 | why? |
| 03:25:39 | badsheepy | i dont know if it charges though, i never tried |
| 03:25:45 | Joely | hmm is voltage scaling for audio stable? i would assume that the power management is pretty good...but just want to make sure before i go and buy my 1 Amp / 1 Watt LEDs to find out i went a _lot_ overboard. i have a driver that takes input from .7 to 5.5, and i really want to conserve battery |
| 03:26:32 | Llorean | webguest74: Just hold Menu while you plug in the cable |
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| 03:52:04 | H10_007quick | Does anybody here know were I can find info on the H10 scroll pad? I'm sure that there has been work done, ie. testing voltage etc. But I can't find it! |
| 03:52:40 | H10_007quick | Or do I have to wait for barrywardell? |
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| 04:08:13 | JdGor|uni | Llorean: did you try out toni's sd card patch? |
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| 04:28:56 | H10_007quick | Anyone? |
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| 04:29:03 | H10_007quick | Does anybody here know were I can find info on the H10 scroll pad? I'm sure that there has been work done, ie. testing voltage etc. But I can't find it! |
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| 04:31:01 | TrueJournals | H10_007quick: What kind of info? |
| 04:31:32 | TrueJournals | Like, what do you mean by testing voltage? Testing the voltage that powers the scrollpad? |
| 04:31:37 | scorche | H10_007quick: did you look in the wiki? |
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| 04:38:48 | kennethd | Hi all, I have a new iaudio x5, and have two questions: 1st, when I connect the usb cable to my thinkpad t42 (debian etch/2.6.18-3-686), I get "device not accepting address 26, error -71"... what is that? & 2nd, my sarge/2.6.16.11 system sees it ok, but before I mount it, I want to make sure... it's a vfat partition, right? (& 3rd, does rockbox support ext3/symlinks?) |
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| 04:40:43 | Hilikus | its fat32 AFAIK |
| 04:40:53 | Hilikus | and no, not ext3 |
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| 04:43:40 | kennethd | ahhh, yes it mounted fine as vfat... exciting! thanks Hilikus |
| 04:47:10 | H10_007quick | scorche: Yes I looked at the wiki, I need test results for the reading of the H10 scroll pad. It needs lots of improvement but I need info on it |
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| 04:48:30 | scorche | you will likely want to catch barrywardell and ask him, or you can perform your own tests |
| 04:49:14 | H10_007quick | thats what I was afraid of! |
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| 05:09:39 | H10_007quick | ok, I'm looking to write a code that will read the value of the scroll pad (which is already out there by barry) but to also have it read a second time about .25 sec latter to then take the avarage of the result. How would I tell the function to do that? |
| 05:09:55 | H10_007quick | I know how to do some of it |
| 05:10:04 | H10_007quick | just the reading it twice part |
| 05:10:51 | aliask | How are the results formatted? If it's just an integer getting an average should be dead simple... |
| 05:10:58 | H10_007quick | is there special code for time? |
| 05:11:11 | H10_007quick | its a number |
| 05:11:21 | H10_007quick | but the problem is not taking an avarage |
| 05:11:32 | H10_007quick | its getting the two numbers in the first place |
| 05:11:47 | Hilikus | where can i find info about the new menu api? |
| 05:11:58 | H10_007quick | currently the instant value is used |
| 05:12:06 | aliask | Well, you could use sleep or yield or udelay to get it to wait the desired time |
| 05:12:57 | aliask | Hilikus: It's not really that well documented, a good place to learn about it might be the code that uses it, or if in doubt ask JdGordon |
| 05:14:30 | Hilikus | :S |
| 05:14:42 | Hilikus | is it very different from the old api? |
| 05:15:02 | Hilikus | i just need to port a plugin to the new api |
| 05:15:06 | aliask | Quite a bit. |
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| 05:15:20 | Hilikus | :( |
| 05:15:21 | aliask | But it's not hard to use or learn |
| 05:15:50 | H10_007quick | so right now it has a varialbe data = blah if I added data1 = {yield .25, data} it would read two values? |
| 05:18:10 | aliask | No, you do data = blah;\n yield(0.25*HZ);\n data1 = blah; |
| 05:23:52 | Hilikus | hey guys, is the progress bar like text in terms of the layout or can i give it X, Y coordinates? this is in a wps |
| 05:24:21 | Hilikus | cause i see %pb has 4 arguments but the wiki is not clear what they are |
| 05:24:44 | Hilikus | and from what i have tried theres no way to move the bar just a little bit |
| 05:25:55 | aliask | %pb|height|leftpos|rightpos|toppos| |
| 05:26:16 | H10_007quick | %pb|height|leftpos|rightpos|toppos| |
| 05:26:19 | H10_007quick | lol |
| 05:27:26 | Hilikus | is toppos = Y?? |
| 05:27:34 | aliask | I'd guess so. |
| 05:27:48 | H10_007quick | and to take the avarage of data and data1 it would be data_avg = ((data+data1),/2) ? |
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| 05:27:58 | Hilikus | and width would be right-left? |
| 05:28:23 | Hilikus | you dont need a comma |
| 05:28:29 | H10_007quick | oh |
| 05:28:48 | H10_007quick | ((data+data1)/2) ? |
| 05:28:53 | Hilikus | yes |
| 05:28:57 | H10_007quick | ok |
| 05:29:02 | H10_007quick | I will give it a shot |
| 05:29:20 | aliask | Hilikus: Yes, I think so, but it seems like a very strange way to do it... |
| 05:29:53 | Hilikus | aliask: have you actually tried the last param to vertically position the bar?? im pretty sure i tried that yesterday and it didnt work |
| 05:29:57 | Hilikus | im gonna try again |
| 05:30:13 | aliask | I've never made a WPS. I'm not familiar with the WPS code either. |
| 05:30:26 | aliask | I'm just telling you what it says in the Wiki. |
| 05:30:36 | Hilikus | from my tests the last param was never used, nothing changed if the last param was 0 or 999 |
| 05:34:18 | Hilikus | actually the wiki IS wrong, the first param is 0 and it is not 0 height |
| 05:34:32 | Hilikus | and the last param doesnt seem to do anything either |
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| 05:38:52 | Hilikus | :@ |
| 05:39:13 | Hilikus | that doesnt make sense to me |
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| 05:52:10 | webguest15 | Hello |
| 05:53:41 | aliask | hey there webguest15 |
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| 06:09:01 | H10_007quick | data = blah;\n yield(0.25*HZ);\n data1 = blah; is not doing what I want it to do |
| 06:09:31 | aliask | What's going wrong then? |
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| 06:11:23 | H10_007quick | I want data to equal the function at 0 seconds and data1 to equal the function at .25 seconds |
| 06:11:40 | H10_007quick | yield stops the thread right? |
| 06:12:34 | aliask | Yes, it passes the control over to the thread scheduler and it should return in 0.25 seconds |
| 06:13:09 | H10_007quick | I don't think that that will work for a button |
| 06:15:07 | aliask | Try udelay(25) then (or should that be 250...?) |
| 06:15:56 | aliask | However that will cause a hard coded delay in the button driver, not sure if this is noticeable though. |
| 06:16:54 | H10_007quick | ya so you click and it doesn't do anything for .25 secs right? |
| 06:17:06 | aliask | Yep |
| 06:17:11 | H10_007quick | hmm |
| 06:21:14 | kennethd | ok, another dumb question... I'm not seeing in the manual where to copy music to... the only directory I see with a "ls -lA" is .rockbox, does it matter where I copy my music to? |
| 06:22:19 | H10_007quick | music can go anywere but best to not put it in a hidden folder, ie .rockbox |
| 06:22:58 | kennethd | H10_007quick: cool, thanks... just checking |
| 06:23:25 | H10_007quick | aliask: to test if data1 is not 0 I would do if (!data1=0) right? |
| 06:25:23 | H10_007quick | or (data1!=0) ? |
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| 06:28:14 | Hilikus | == |
| 06:28:16 | Hilikus | not = |
| 06:28:34 | Hilikus | but if its NOT zero is != 0 |
| 06:29:26 | H10_007quick | ok |
| 06:30:08 | Hilikus | oh man, i really think the whole wps system is terrible, i would love to help design a new way |
| 06:30:30 | Hilikus | i read the idea for the new one but it seems its some guys idea |
| 06:30:55 | aliask | The problem with redoing the WPS is that all the old WPS files would not work. |
| 06:31:03 | Hilikus | i know :S |
| 06:31:28 | Hilikus | but line based is annoying, moving text by adding empty lines is DOS |
| 06:32:17 | Hilikus | im sure we could come up with a backwards compatible way |
| 06:33:41 | Hilikus | but i dont know if im wrong but it seems rb is more like, some developers have their own part of the project theyre familiar with, and only them can change or do anything that will at the end get commited, not really a "community" project |
| 06:34:06 | Hilikus | the others are stuck with writting hacks |
| 06:34:20 | aliask | I disagree with that, but the knowledge is quite segmented. |
| 06:34:37 | aliask | Rockbox is pretty huge, I don't think any one person is familiar with the whole thing |
| 06:35:12 | H10_007quick | to divide by two I have to use 0x2 right? |
| 06:35:34 | aliask | Nope. |
| 06:35:38 | H10_007quick | oh |
| 06:35:41 | Hilikus | thats ok, but i dont even see teams working on a subsystem, i keep hearing, ooh, thats johns part, oh thats X part, if one guy is in charge of redesigning the wps system i think thats too much for 1 guy |
| 06:36:10 | Hilikus | but im pretty new around here so my impression could be wrong |
| 06:36:49 | aliask | I suppose there is that to a certain extent, but I'm sure that if you put forward a proposal, people will come forward to help out. |
| 06:37:01 | Hilikus | is there ever some kind of, brainstorm, "how do we solve/fix X" ? |
| 06:37:12 | aliask | Yep |
| 06:37:16 | Hilikus | oh cool |
| 06:37:20 | aliask | And it usually happens here |
| 06:37:26 | Hilikus | i c |
| 06:37:42 | aliask | Do you usually come to IRC this time? |
| 06:37:47 | Hilikus | yes |
| 06:37:55 | aliask | This is probably the quietest part of the day |
| 06:38:00 | Hilikus | ooh |
| 06:38:10 | Hilikus | theyre in europe? |
| 06:38:24 | aliask | A lot of people are, yes. |
| 06:38:32 | Hilikus | :S |
| 06:39:38 | Hilikus | well, thanks for the info aliask, i think i will try to get to know the api by (re)writing a plugin one of these days |
| 06:39:55 | Hilikus | this project is awesome |
| 06:40:26 | Hilikus | cover art + replaygained collection = the best dap experience ever! |
| 06:40:40 | Hilikus | oh and random album |
| 06:40:48 | Hilikus | love them |
| 06:40:55 | Hilikus | good night everyone |
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| 06:41:03 | aliask | G'night |
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| 06:42:47 | livingtm | Im sure this is a newb question... can I listen to my ipod while its charging on USB? |
| 06:43:35 | aliask | livingtm: Hold menu while inserting the USB cable |
| 06:43:48 | livingtm | aliask, sweet thanks. |
| 06:44:11 | livingtm | VERY cool. |
| 06:44:26 | livingtm | Ive had about an hour with RockBox and the more i use it the more i like it! |
| 06:44:43 | livingtm | cant seem to get my itunes cover art to show up though |
| 06:45:20 | livingtm | aliask, any way to reverse that logic? so menu + usb = disk mode? |
| 06:45:30 | aliask | Nope |
| 06:45:51 | livingtm | hm. ok |
| 06:46:09 | aliask | Cover art is only available in custom builds |
| 06:46:15 | aliask | (at the moment) |
| 06:46:40 | livingtm | i have the a jbuild from one of the authors of a theme on the rockbox site |
| 06:46:55 | livingtm | but i dont get the art |
| 06:47:31 | aliask | Ah ok. Well I don't have any experience with it, sorry... |
| 06:47:38 | livingtm | ok thx |
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| 07:03:31 | livingtm | Is it better to leave my media in the itunes file structure, or clear that out and start over with a clean folder |
| 07:03:44 | aliask | What do you mean by "better" |
| 07:03:56 | livingtm | are there any advantages or disadvantages |
| 07:04:27 | livingtm | i guess one disadvantage would be that booting into the apple firmware wouldnt recognize a non-apple database |
| 07:04:36 | aliask | Yep. |
| 07:04:41 | badsheepy | database stores things with random names, makes playlists mostly unusable |
| 07:05:23 | livingtm | badsheepy, so if i dont plan on using the apple firmware, i should put my media in a regular folder/filename structure? |
| 07:06:12 | badsheepy | thats what i have done on mine |
| 07:06:34 | livingtm | I may do that.. seems like it makes so much more sense. |
| 07:06:34 | badsheepy | there might be a way around it i dont know of though |
| 07:07:03 | livingtm | i should be able to play me "video podcast" .m4v files shouldnt I? |
| 07:08:29 | badsheepy | no idea |
| 07:08:43 | livingtm | or the photos that were on the ipod |
| 07:09:33 | JdGordon | daurn: you round? |
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| 08:53:44 | earHertz___ | ah, nevermind |
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| 09:02:09 | bluebrother | bbl |
| 09:03:54 | amiconn | hrrrrm |
| 09:04:08 | amiconn | 'Follow playlist' doesn't seem to work at all :( |
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| 09:09:52 | LinusN | seems like the follow playlist implementation is a really fragile one |
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| 09:10:11 | amiconn | It's most probably a wps issue |
| 09:10:39 | amiconn | The wps just needs to tell the path to the file browser afaiu |
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| 09:11:38 | Llorean | bluebrother: Done. |
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| 09:14:40 | LinusN | amiconn: yes, but afaiu, it isn't trivial to make the browser update the location from that path |
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| 09:15:41 | LinusN | because of how the code is written, and how it was changed for the mainmenu |
| 09:16:26 | amiconn | Well it worked for quite some time in the past |
| 09:16:50 | amiconn | It looks like something was just forgotten to adapt |
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| 09:19:33 | LinusN | let's hope you're right |
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| 09:21:25 | GodEater | is this as a result of the playback changes ? Or something else ? |
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| 09:24:42 | GodEater | hmm - isn't discussion of DRM circumvention a banned subject in the forums ? |
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| 09:25:57 | pixelma | hmm... works here as long as music is playing (going back to file browser) but it doesn't work correctly when I stop (rev. 13357). I think it worked correctly not so long ago... |
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| 09:56:55 | JdGordon | LinusN: no, it is easy to set the file browser path from the current file |
| 09:57:01 | JdGordon | set_current_file() iirc |
| 09:57:04 | JdGordon | or something like that |
| 09:59:58 | LinusN | ok, then i wonder what the problem may be |
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| 10:00:51 | JdGordon | just coz its easy.. doesnt mean its being done :p |
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| 10:09:42 | tucoz | Any devcon attendees around? |
| 10:10:08 | * | pixelma puts hand up (but not for long) |
| 10:10:19 | tucoz | I wonder if i could set up a devcon207talk page. To be able to add some thought to the agenda |
| 10:10:28 | tucoz | 2007 |
| 10:10:55 | scorche | which devcon? =P |
| 10:10:57 | bluebrother | I wondered if it would be feasible to use a different namespace some time ago |
| 10:10:58 | tucoz | either |
| 10:11:04 | tucoz | :) |
| 10:11:25 | tucoz | we could split that page in two. west/international |
| 10:11:42 | bluebrother | not Main/DevCon2007 but Talk/DevCon2007, and possibly auto-add links to the talk namespace to all pages |
| 10:11:51 | tucoz | aha. i see |
| 10:11:51 | bluebrother | but I don't know if that's possible at all. |
| 10:12:11 | scorche | i dont think it is really necessary |
| 10:12:52 | bluebrother | I don't think it's absolutely necessary too, but it might be helpful |
| 10:12:59 | pixelma | couldn't you put it in the agenda itself? |
| 10:13:01 | bluebrother | unless it's a pain to set that up ;-) |
| 10:13:16 | tucoz | pixelma, i dont want to mess with that page, |
| 10:13:19 | scorche | i think the space int he respective pages is enough |
| 10:13:57 | tucoz | i am afraid of clutter. but if you think its fine, ill do that |
| 10:14:21 | tucoz | sorry for the missing apostrophes, i have some weird keyboard setup |
| 10:14:44 | scorche | if there needs to be discussion, i think discussing it in here would be ample space |
| 10:15:03 | scorche | really most of the discussion will take place at the actual con |
| 10:15:23 | tucoz | i have very little time to hang around on irc unfortunatley. But, i just wanted to chip in my thoughts on the 3.0 point |
| 10:15:50 | tucoz | and thoughts stick better in the wiki, than in here i think |
| 10:15:53 | scorche | oh...that...i would just plan on being in IRC during the con |
| 10:16:20 | bluebrother | btw, any news on the skype idea? |
| 10:16:21 | JdGordon | irc is annoying... im hoping we can d skype for the discussio parts of devcon |
| 10:16:42 | scorche | bluebrother: i could easily do it for west, but i cant speak for euro |
| 10:16:47 | tucoz | i think skype would be great. i tried to join a conference call some time ago, and it worked great |
| 10:16:59 | tucoz | it was like an open chat session |
| 10:17:27 | scorche | it will be done for west, but talk to badger for euro =) |
| 10:18:01 | tucoz | i write down my thoughts locally, and hang around during the con :) |
| 10:18:17 | tucoz | see you later... |
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| 10:19:03 | bluebrother | scorche: what do you need for a skype conference call? Anything else but the client (and account of course)? |
| 10:19:28 | scorche | mic/headset/speakers |
| 10:19:48 | bluebrother | so no paid account necessary? |
| 10:20:15 | scorche | no |
| 10:20:28 | bluebrother | sounds great. |
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| 10:24:41 | scorche | nice thing about skype is that it runs on almost all platforms |
| 10:25:07 | scorche | and is a decent protocol |
| 10:26:11 | petur | but propietary and not open and sometimes a real bandwidthhog, which is why I uninstalled it |
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| 10:30:54 | scorche` | there are also plugins like https://extras.skype.com/582/view if we need |
| 10:36:53 | markun | is there nothing with SIP and speex to do a conference call? |
| 10:37:20 | scorche` | not sure....is there something against using skype? |
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| 10:37:53 | markun | scorche`: it just doesn't feel right to me :) |
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| 10:38:14 | markun | just as there would be nothing wrong with installing windows on my laptop, but still I didn't do it |
| 10:38:25 | scorche` | there are linux packages |
| 10:39:07 | petur | their latest versions are real crap, and I hate it when they use you as supernode. |
| 10:39:48 | scorche` | yeah...supernode is the only beef i have with ut |
| 10:40:30 | petur | Last stuff I used was gizmo and that worked well, don't know if they do conferences. But that is SIP iirc |
| 10:41:11 | scorche` | skype will support up to 25 users on a conference call for free |
| 10:41:37 | petur | seems gizmo does group-chat: http://www.gizmoproject.com/group-chat.html |
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| 10:42:18 | markun | don't know about Ekiga (gnomemeeting) http://www.gnomemeeting.org/ |
| 10:46:56 | LinusN | last time i heard, IRC supported "group-chat" as well :-P |
| 10:47:34 | markun | :) |
| 10:47:44 | scorche` | people would much rather do some sort of conference non-textual it seems |
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| 10:47:59 | markun | scorche`: who? |
| 10:48:24 | scorche` | scroll up for a couple |
| 10:48:30 | scorche` | but i am sure there are others |
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| 11:31:15 | ze | non-textual conference? weird.. sounds like a mess :p |
| 11:31:37 | markun | ze: only up to 30 people ;) |
| 11:31:49 | ze | hehe |
| 11:32:38 | scorche` | 25! |
| 11:33:58 | markun | damn, my memory is so bad... |
| 11:34:03 | markun | and it was still on the screen :) |
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| 11:46:13 | Siltaar | Hum, is anyone knowing the secret of the non-declared sudoku functions ? |
| 11:46:47 | Siltaar | I mean, I didn't find yet where the sudoku.c functions were declared |
| 11:46:57 | Siltaar | it is not in sudoku.h |
| 11:47:06 | Siltaar | not in sudoku.c |
| 11:47:21 | Siltaar | not in renerator.h |
| 11:47:23 | markun | which function? |
| 11:47:43 | Siltaar | but if I create a function, I got an implicit declaration warning |
| 11:47:52 | Siltaar | int sudoku_edit_menu(struct sudoku_state_t* state) |
| 11:47:54 | Siltaar | for instance |
| 11:48:33 | markun | I think that if you don't declare them the order of the functions is important |
| 11:48:48 | Siltaar | aggred |
| 11:48:51 | Siltaar | agreed |
| 11:48:52 | markun | if you use a function in a line before the actual function you will get this message |
| 11:50:15 | Siltaar | but, I still have : sudoku.c:1017: warning: implicit declaration of function 'talk_line' |
| 11:50:34 | markun | and where did you put talk_line? |
| 11:50:47 | markun | before 1017? |
| 11:51:38 | Siltaar | found |
| 11:52:03 | Siltaar | sorry, I miss orderd my definition of function... |
| 11:52:29 | Siltaar | indeed, I was declaring my function before that line... |
| 11:52:51 | Siltaar | I was NOT delcaring... |
| 11:53:04 | Siltaar | thanks ^_^ |
| 11:53:36 | markun | no problem |
| 11:55:20 | Siltaar | Sudoku is talking here in France |
| 11:56:07 | Siltaar | (buts its not yet ready for commit) |
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| 12:34:38 | Nico_P | linuxstb: I'm working on adapting your BMP tar patch to the new WPS code |
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| 12:51:34 | GodEater | Llorean : you around ? |
| 12:52:13 | GodEater | or anyone else with forum admin priviledges ? |
| 12:52:25 | GodEater | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10401.0 <−− needs attention |
| 12:52:35 | matt____ | i tried download icons, but the link won't work. why? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxExtras click on IconSets |
| 12:53:48 | GodEater | matt____: try this : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IconSets |
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| 12:55:45 | matt____ | GodEater: , thanks, it works |
| 12:55:49 | GodEater | np |
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| 13:41:25 | Nico_P | linuxstb: I got it to work. and I got rid of the bitmap order limitation |
| 13:46:20 | daurnimator | lol |
| 13:46:23 | daurnimator | http://content3.i-am-bored.com/games/40472_geektattoo.jpg |
| 13:51:03 | Nico_P | linuxstb: http://nicolas.pennequin.free.fr/rockbox/bmptar.patch |
| 13:51:46 | * | Nico_P is off to class |
| 13:58:05 | linuxstb | Nico_P: (when you return from class) Does your patch read the bmp files from the tar in order, or does it search within the tar for each bitmap? |
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| 14:05:13 | linuxstb | GodEater: What needs attention in that thread, or has someone already done it? |
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| 14:43:02 | GodEater | linuxstb: looks like someone already took care of it |
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| 15:06:02 | JdGordon | daurnimator: usb a or b to connect ot the ocmp? |
| 15:06:05 | JdGordon | comp* |
| 15:06:17 | daurnimator | one at bottom |
| 15:06:26 | JdGordon | next to the ac? |
| 15:06:29 | daurnimator | yes |
| 15:06:32 | JdGordon | hmm |
| 15:06:42 | daurnimator | - surely thats the only one that your cable fits into anyway :P |
| 15:07:07 | JdGordon | yeah, it is |
| 15:07:10 | JdGordon | but its not connecting |
| 15:07:38 | daurnimator | is it turned on? |
| 15:07:48 | JdGordon | yep |
| 15:08:22 | daurnimator | does it say "you have plugged in USB"? |
| 15:08:28 | daurnimator | (or a varient) |
| 15:08:34 | JdGordon | yep |
| 15:08:41 | JdGordon | dmesg says buffered i/o error :( |
| 15:10:05 | daurnimator | it should work... |
| 15:10:37 | JdGordon | ill try on another comp |
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| 15:35:42 | livingtm | Is the rockbox.org website broken? I keep getting dead links with an ipaddress in the url.. if i replace the ip address with "www.rockox.org", it seems to work |
| 15:37:40 | Ave | why use ip address? |
| 15:37:46 | Ave | could break virtual hosting |
| 15:40:09 | petur | site works fine here - maybe clear your cache? |
| 15:40:26 | linuxstb | livingtm: Or maybe you have local DNS problems... |
| 15:40:41 | livingtm | linuxstb, could be... |
| 15:40:49 | The-Compiler | Hello |
| 15:41:06 | Zagor | livingtm: rockbox.org is not the only site on that ip address |
| 15:41:23 | Zagor | so unless you use the name, the web server doesn't know what site to serve you |
| 15:41:25 | livingtm | linuxstb, its been like that for the almost 24 hours i've been trying to use it |
| 15:41:55 | livingtm | Zagor, im not entering the ip manuially... when i click on some of the links form th emain page that point to the wiki, i get an ip address in the url |
| 15:42:10 | linuxstb | livingtm: I read your question in the IRC logs about Rockbox rebooting into disk mode when you insert an AC charger - I think the problem is that you're using a very old unofficial version of Rockbox (jbuild). That bug was fixed months ago in the official version of Rockbox. |
| 15:42:23 | Zagor | can you give me an example? |
| 15:42:44 | livingtm | Zagor, from the main page, click on extras, then iconsets |
| 15:43:02 | livingtm | http://202.165.104.73/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxExtras#Icon_Sets |
| 15:43:16 | livingtm | "Copy link location: from the context menu in my browser gives me that url |
| 15:43:28 | Zagor | livingtm: indeed. very weird. |
| 15:43:34 | livingtm | ok so its not just me :-) |
| 15:44:10 | livingtm | Where can a find a custom build that will do album art, and is reasonably recent? |
| 15:44:18 | livingtm | for the ipod 5g |
| 15:44:39 | livingtm | or am i better off building myself and applying patches |
| 15:45:34 | linuxstb | livingtm: Ideally it's better to patch and build yourself. But the "Unoffiical Builds" forum may contain up to date builds with the patches you want to use. |
| 15:45:53 | livingtm | linuxstb, thanks! |
| 15:46:10 | linuxstb | I mean "Unsupported Builds" forum... |
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| 15:49:08 | Zagor | livingtm: have you seen any other pages like that? |
| 15:49:41 | livingtm | Zagor, most of the ones that poited to the wiki |
| 15:49:47 | livingtm | fonts i think |
| 15:49:49 | olle_ | it seems very weird to me... cos isnt the purpose of DNS just to redirect to an IP adress? |
| 15:50:09 | livingtm | olle its more than that with multiple virtual hosts on an apache server |
| 15:50:14 | Zagor | livingtm: no, that was because the RockboxExtras page was bad. I fixed it now, but can't find any other pages. |
| 15:50:28 | livingtm | well, the apache needs to know what domain name the link was pointing to |
| 15:50:47 | livingtm | Zagor, ill let you know if i run across any others. |
| 15:51:07 | olle_ | really? isnt most sites configured so the IP adress is totally ok to enter as url? |
| 15:51:14 | Zagor | olle_: no |
| 15:51:24 | Zagor | that would require one IP per site |
| 15:51:28 | * | amiconn thinks it's better to not rely on http 1.1 virtual hosting and assign one ip per web site |
| 15:51:45 | Zagor | some servers hosts thousands of sites on one ip address |
| 15:52:05 | olle_ | i will find an example of a website that accepts IP instead of domain name |
| 15:52:05 | livingtm | it looks like all of the jbuilds in the forums are old? |
| 15:52:14 | Zagor | amiconn: what world do you live in where you can sprinkle ip addresses like that? |
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| 15:52:45 | Zagor | olle_: that's not very uncommon, so you don't need to "prove it" |
| 15:53:10 | livingtm | I have 4 sites hosted on my server. if you use the IP address, you get a "default" site |
| 15:53:25 | amiconn | Well, it depends on how many websites to host. A few dozen ip addresses shouldn't be a big problem |
| 15:53:52 | markun | livingtm: same here, but only 2 sites |
| 15:54:19 | Zagor | amiconn: then you are spoiled. in sweden companies have to fight to get 32 ip addresses |
| 15:54:23 | livingtm | I am loving rockbox guys.. just installed it for the first time last night.. great great work. |
| 15:54:39 | linuxstb | Zagor: Out of curiousity, what was the problem? Why did it seem to only affect that one wiki page? |
| 15:54:52 | amiconn | We do that at work... |
| 15:55:35 | Zagor | linuxstb: the cause was a bad <base href> statement in the cached copy of the page, that pointed to that ip address instead of the name. how that happened I don't know yet. |
| 15:55:56 | linuxstb | So you just refreshed the page? |
| 15:55:57 | Zagor | the ip is not ours, but a web crawler (I think) at yahoo |
| 15:55:59 | Zagor | yes |
| 15:56:33 | amiconn | You need one ip per website for ssl anyway |
| 15:56:41 | livingtm | I am so amazed that the hardware could be reverse engineered like that |
| 15:57:15 | Zagor | amiconn: no you don't |
| 15:57:20 | markun | livingtm: which device do you have? |
| 15:57:28 | livingtm | markun, 5G |
| 15:57:49 | olle_ | livingtm: i am waiting desperately... |
| 15:57:58 | markun | livingtm: most of the reverse engineeing for the ipods was done by the ipod linux people I think |
| 15:58:04 | markun | linuxstb: or not? |
| 15:58:13 | olle_ | have iriver E10, pretty simialr internals as popular iriver U10, but nope no rockbox |
| 15:58:37 | livingtm | markun, its funny because i worked for a company that built machines for the ipod assembly line.. I had main boards for nanos 6 months before they came out... and all i could think abou when i had them was "I wish I could reverse engineer these" |
| 15:58:52 | amiconn | Zagor: ssl cannot be combined with http/1.1 host: headers |
| 15:58:54 | markun | olle_: probably similar as the nano 2nd gen as well then |
| 15:59:05 | markun | s/as/to/ |
| 15:59:24 | markun | livingtm: the new nanos? |
| 15:59:34 | olle_ | maybe i could help porting some way? but i dont know a lot of asm / C |
| 15:59:39 | markun | because they still need reverse engeneering.. |
| 15:59:40 | amiconn | The only way to fit multiple ssl enabled websites onto one ip is to use non-standard ports, but then many users will get into trouble with their corporate firewalls not allowing these ports |
| 15:59:43 | livingtm | markun, the first nanos.. the ones that look like the 30g, but smaller |
| 15:59:53 | markun | olle_: help is always welcome |
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| 16:00:21 | markun | olle_: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
| 16:01:43 | linuxstb | markun: Most of it, yes, although we've carried on from where they left off - there doesn't seem to have been any low-level hacking in the IPL project for over a year. |
| 16:02:16 | livingtm | the 30gs are all running multimedia chips from broadcom if i remember correctly |
| 16:02:27 | Zagor | amiconn: I'm not sure what you're arguing about. the simple fact is that most people don't have buckets of IP address to thrown on their sites. and virtual hosting is a very mature technology that is used and works everywhere. |
| 16:02:58 | amiconn | It doesn't work with http/1.0 clients, or when there are dns problems |
| 16:03:25 | amiconn | I know that virtual hosting is widely used, just I don't like it and rather put only one website per ip |
| 16:03:48 | Zagor | correct. and HTML 4 doesn't work on HTML3-only browsers. how many http 1.0-only browsers do you normally see visiting your sites? |
| 16:04:35 | livingtm | it is a pain to cross compile my own binary? |
| 16:04:46 | amiconn | Browsers always support http/1.1 nowadays. But there are other http clients than just browsers |
| 16:05:05 | linuxstb | livingtm: What OS are you running on your PC? |
| 16:05:10 | livingtm | ubuntu |
| 16:05:39 | Zagor | ...which mostly use libcurl with supports http 1.1 too. standards evolve. that's a GOOD thing. |
| 16:05:49 | linuxstb | livingtm: Then it's straightforward - download the source code (via SVN is easiest), run the tools/rockboxdev.sh script to install the required cross-compilers, then compile. There are lots of instructions in the wiki. |
| 16:05:57 | amiconn | Not that it matters much, but I rather want to have one potential problem out of the equation |
| 16:06:34 | livingtm | linuxstb, if i apply the same patches as jbuild, i should get all of his themes to work, but with recent firmware, right? |
| 16:06:53 | amiconn | Besides, with ssl I have no choice |
| 16:07:04 | linuxstb | livingtm: In theory - but if his patches are against an old version of Rockbox, you may have some work to do to apply them to current Rockbox. |
| 16:07:21 | livingtm | oooooh yeah |
| 16:07:57 | linuxstb | livingtm: But it's possible that someone else has updated them - the relevant tasks on the patch tracker should have the latest available versions of any patch. |
| 16:08:20 | livingtm | the album art isnt in the main code yet? |
| 16:08:50 | linuxstb | No - it's not implemented in a nice enough way. |
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| 16:20:17 | H10_007quick | haha |
| 16:20:55 | H10_007quick | barrywardell: the scrollpad for the H10 right now works by waiting 50 miliseconds then reading right? |
| 16:21:35 | H10_007quick | and it reads values of 0 to 350 right? |
| 16:22:01 | barrywardell | yes |
| 16:22:10 | barrywardell | it reads values of 0x0-0x3ff |
| 16:23:03 | H10_007quick | ok |
| 16:23:10 | H10_007quick | i'm working on improving it |
| 16:23:15 | H10_007quick | have some ideas |
| 16:23:29 | H10_007quick | oh 1 more thing, how often does the pad update? |
| 16:23:49 | H10_007quick | like how often does the value change if you move up the pad or down? |
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| 16:26:52 | H10_007quick | barrywardell: ? |
| 16:29:49 | barrywardell | that's what we don't know |
| 16:30:08 | barrywardell | actually, it's 50 micro seconds |
| 16:30:18 | H10_007quick | oh |
| 16:30:22 | barrywardell | but that was just arrived at through trial and error |
| 16:30:40 | H10_007quick | I'm tryiing to take an avarage of two readings |
| 16:30:51 | livingtm | Do i have to log into the forums to get an experimental build? |
| 16:31:08 | H10_007quick | should help smooth things out |
| 16:31:15 | H10_007quick | livingtm: NO |
| 16:31:38 | livingtm | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4263.0 Theres a link on here for experimental builds used to get the black glass them eworking.. |
| 16:31:46 | livingtm | when i click on it it asks ms to log in |
| 16:32:07 | barrywardell | H10_007quick: there is a task in the tracker that describes a smoothing algorithm that's worth trying |
| 16:32:20 | H10_007quick | i know |
| 16:32:33 | H10_007quick | but it only changes the way the button reads |
| 16:32:38 | petur | H10_007quick: I think you need to log in to see attachments |
| 16:32:51 | H10_007quick | doesn't smooth the actual readings |
| 16:33:04 | barrywardell | no, there's a different patch |
| 16:33:41 | H10_007quick | livingtm: the build was deleted, thats why you can't get to it |
| 16:33:44 | barrywardell | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6041 |
| 16:33:46 | H10_007quick | oh |
| 16:34:13 | barrywardell | that's the one I'm talking about |
| 16:35:27 | H10_007quick | there is no actual patch there |
| 16:35:31 | H10_007quick | just take |
| 16:35:34 | H10_007quick | talk* |
| 16:36:06 | livingtm | a 30GB ipog 5gen is a 32MB? |
| 16:36:29 | barrywardell | no, no patch |
| 16:36:46 | barrywardell | but a pretty good description of an algorithm to use |
| 16:37:02 | H10_007quick | http://pastebin.ca/479049 |
| 16:37:16 | H10_007quick | can you tell me what I did wrong there because the compiler doesn't like it |
| 16:37:40 | H10_007quick | I'm just trying to read to data1 50 micro seconds after reading to data and then take the avarage |
| 16:37:53 | H10_007quick | i'm getting compiling errors |
| 16:38:58 | barrywardell | what errors? |
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| 16:39:19 | livingtm | Does the album art patch use the itunes DB album art? |
| 16:39:43 | linuxstb | livingtm: No. See here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt |
| 16:40:01 | H10_007quick | http://pastebin.ca/479056 |
| 16:40:10 | H10_007quick | that has the errors |
| 16:40:22 | H10_007quick | but some seem really weird |
| 16:40:45 | H10_007quick | like the whole function, says that the last } is off |
| 16:41:12 | barrywardell | you're missing a semi-colon at the end of line 10 |
| 16:41:56 | H10_007quick | wow |
| 16:41:59 | H10_007quick | it works |
| 16:42:02 | livingtm | linuxstb, Cool. Does Amarok handle that? |
| 16:42:08 | H10_007quick | lol That was stupid |
| 16:42:23 | livingtm | linuxstb, I mean put the cover art in the right place.. i know it can obtain the album art |
| 16:42:25 | H10_007quick | time to give it a try |
| 16:45:37 | H10_007quick | 0x2 does that equal 2 in C ? |
| 16:45:44 | H10_007quick | or could I just use 2 ? |
| 16:46:42 | Domonoky | H10_007quick: thats hexadezimal.. but hex 02 equals 2 |
| 16:46:53 | H10_007quick | oh I see |
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| 16:48:22 | olle_ | hehe |
| 16:48:51 | olle_ | t tried to figure uto what the difference would be, thought it would make me stupid to ask |
| 16:49:10 | Domonoky | you could also write 0b10 :-) equals also 2 :-) |
| 16:49:27 | olle_ | is 0o02 valid? :P |
| 16:49:57 | Domonoky | i dont know the code for octal, but it could be o .. :-) |
| 16:50:14 | dionoea | octal is a leading 0 |
| 16:50:27 | olle_ | ok how boring of them |
| 16:50:27 | intgr | "02" is octal 2 |
| 16:50:33 | olle_ | i c |
| 16:50:45 | intgr | And C doesn't have binary number literals. |
| 16:51:22 | linuxstb | livingtm: I don't use Album Art (or Amarok), so I don't kow. |
| 16:51:46 | livingtm | linuxstb, im trying it right now.. i have to start moving my media out of the itunes format though |
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| 17:14:20 | markun | hi toffe82 |
| 17:14:32 | toffe82 | hello |
| 17:14:39 | markun | a shame we didn't find any of those foxconn conenctors |
| 17:14:45 | toffe82 | problem with virus this mornig :) |
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| 17:15:03 | markun | what virus? |
| 17:15:10 | markun | computer? |
| 17:15:13 | toffe82 | yes |
| 17:15:20 | markun | not that I know of |
| 17:15:45 | toffe82 | I have problem :) |
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| 17:16:59 | toffe82 | I don't have any news from the guys who tried to get some connector on the gigabeat forum |
| 17:17:53 | linuxstb | markun, toffe82: I was reading the WMA page at wikipedia yesterday and it said the Gigabeat S is the first DAP to only play WMA. Does that mean it converts everything you try and transfer? |
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| 17:18:36 | toffe82 | good question, I transfer mp3 files and I didn't look what was on the player |
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| 17:19:12 | markun | linuxstb: but don't you know that wma sounds better than mp3? so just convert it and you have better quality! ;) |
| 17:19:32 | linuxstb | Here's the article - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Media_Audio#Players |
| 17:20:21 | toffe82 | I am looking now, wait |
| 17:20:57 | linuxstb | markun: Yes, I'm sure that after the summer we'll all be converting... |
| 17:20:59 | markun | linuxstb: according to the press release it also supports MP3: http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/press/2006_04/pr_j1001.htm |
| 17:21:02 | toffe82 | it still says mp3 files |
| 17:21:30 | markun | maybe it is the first to support WMA lossless? |
| 17:22:23 | linuxstb | markun: I see the word MP3, but don't understand the rest of the page... |
| 17:22:36 | toffe82 | I copy and paste from the player and it is mp3 |
| 17:23:01 | linuxstb | So another piece of high-quality research from wikipedia... |
| 17:23:04 | markun | linuxstb: use your imagination of translate.google.com :) |
| 17:23:09 | markun | s/of/or/ |
| 17:23:14 | H10_007quick | how do I test to see if a variable is above 10 ? (data > 0x10) ? |
| 17:23:31 | linuxstb | H10_007quick: decimal 10 or hex 10? |
| 17:23:42 | markun | linuxstb: maybe you can track down who did it and ask for clarification |
| 17:23:45 | H10_007quick | 10 |
| 17:23:52 | H10_007quick | hex 10 |
| 17:24:13 | linuxstb | H10_007quick: Then yes. |
| 17:24:13 | H10_007quick | I think that that is right |
| 17:24:33 | linuxstb | markun: wikipedia needs a "blame" function... |
| 17:24:44 | H10_007quick | how then to test if it is lower than -10? (data<-0x10) ? |
| 17:24:49 | markun | yes.. |
| 17:25:13 | linuxstb | markun: Guess I'll just check your friend's comments... |
| 17:25:24 | H10_007quick | was that yes to me? |
| 17:25:34 | olle_ | yes |
| 17:25:38 | H10_007quick | ok |
| 17:25:40 | H10_007quick | thankyou |
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| 17:27:42 | linuxstb | markun: Here's the change - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Windows_Media_Audio&diff=128576881&oldid=128124059 - does that mean it was anonymous? |
| 17:28:20 | markun | I guess so |
| 17:28:29 | markun | can you just click the 'undo' button? |
| 17:28:58 | markun | it's completely useless |
| 17:29:00 | markun | "The device supports most WMA formats including Variable Bit Rate (VBR)" |
| 17:29:05 | markun | wow, vbr! :) |
| 17:29:09 | amiconn | http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.toshiba.co.jp%2Fabout%2Fpress%2F2006_04%2Fpr_j1001.htm&lp=ja_en&btnTrUrl=Translate <= Funny automatic translation english, but maybe it helps... |
| 17:30:18 | markun | anyway, have a nice day guys |
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| 17:30:42 | markun | (and girl(s?)?) |
| 17:33:18 | Siltaar | hum, is there anyway to produce a single beep in rockbox playback ? |
| 17:33:56 | Siltaar | such as talk_id(HYPOTETIC_BEEP_IDc false) |
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| 17:35:14 | lowlight | I think there's a beep funcion |
| 17:35:30 | lowlight | pcmbuf_beep |
| 17:36:54 | Siltaar | ok, I try this |
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| 17:40:08 | linuxstb | toffe82: So the S doesn't encrypt your songs like the F does? |
| 17:40:28 | toffe82 | no |
| 17:41:19 | toffe82 | but I think you need to trasnfer them with wmp so it can be seen by the player |
| 17:42:00 | toffe82 | I have to check it but my battery went flat |
| 17:42:26 | Siltaar | lowlight, void pcmbuf_beep(unsigned int frequency, size_t duration, int amplitude); |
| 17:42:30 | Siltaar | lowlight, is : |
| 17:42:40 | Siltaar | rb->pcm_beep(440, 2, 50); |
| 17:42:45 | Siltaar | look good to you ? |
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| 17:51:20 | lowlight | Siltaar: I have no idea...but I'm guessing duration is probably is milliseconds and 2 ms is pretty short |
| 17:53:51 | Siltaar | right |
| 17:55:11 | toffe82 | linuxstb: for the translation, I use the foxlingo extension for firefox, when you are on a page you just right click and select what engine you want to use to tranlsate so if a translation is not good just try another engine :) |
| 17:59:10 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: you rang? (logs) |
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| 18:01:04 | lowlight | hmmm...for $100 the Meizu M6 4gb is tempting...if it wasn't for that Samsung chip in it :-/ |
| 18:01:48 | Siltaar | And, how having access to the ID for talk id, I guess it's a file to include, but... which one ? |
| 18:04:08 | Siltaar | ok, it's lang.h |
| 18:08:22 | Siltaar | but make[3]: *** No rule to make target `/home/nfs/simon.descarpentries/rockbox/build-iPod_Video/apps/plugins/sudoku/lang.o' |
| 18:08:44 | H10_007quick | how would I test if a value is between -30 and 30 ? |
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| 18:09:15 | H10_007quick | ((data<30)>-30) ? |
| 18:09:19 | OFfSprngr | http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2007/05/mickey_175x125.jpg |
| 18:09:20 | olle_ | lang.h : lang.c [newline] [spaces] gcc -o lang.o lang.c |
| 18:09:39 | badsheepy | (value<-30 && value >30) |
| 18:09:57 | H10_007quick | ah |
| 18:10:41 | Siltaar | olle_, thx |
| 18:10:49 | olle_ | oh sorry Siltaar, my instruction isnt really reliable |
| 18:11:04 | olle_ | what , it helped? wow :D |
| 18:11:19 | Siltaar | arf |
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| 18:11:31 | Siltaar | damned... |
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| 18:13:06 | OFfSprngr | mt/archieven/866191.html">http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/866191.html |
| 18:14:02 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: yes, it was about the playback engine but I don't remember what I wanted to ask :p |
| 18:14:02 | olle_ | Siltaar you there? |
| 18:14:14 | olle_ | damn |
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| 18:19:58 | Nico_P | linuxstb: my patch reads the bitmaps from the tar in order |
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| 18:44:50 | * | Nico_P doesn't get it... the tar loading works fine from the browse themes menu but not at startup :\ |
| 18:45:04 | Nico_P | an that's on target... on the sim everything is fine |
| 18:46:16 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: ok then :) |
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| 18:46:44 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: I'll probably remember but right now I'm focused on the tarred bitmaps |
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| 19:41:23 | Nico_P | could someone test the BMP tar patch for me ? |
| 19:43:10 | Nico_P | http://nicolas.pennequin.free.fr/rockbox/bmptar.patch |
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| 19:43:50 | Toni1 | jhMikeS: you're there? |
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| 19:49:40 | AceNik___ | hey guys i wanted to ask , why have the wps's & themes stopped working , cause they make my h10 hang , the cabbie theme i made works wel, but others like blackglass, or boselglass dont work , have there been code changes? |
| 19:52:44 | Nico_P | AceNik___: you get the default WPS instead ? |
| 19:53:20 | AceNik___ | ya ? |
| 19:53:44 | Nico_P | crash or default WPS ? |
| 19:53:51 | Nico_P | anyway yes there have been some changes |
| 19:53:55 | Nico_P | the WPS parser is stricter now |
| 19:54:09 | AceNik___ | well on some themes there is a crash & on some there is a default wps |
| 19:54:34 | Nico_P | when did you last update your build ? |
| 19:54:59 | AceNik___ | so can i recode them , cause i made the cabbie theme , n it works well , i cant understand , why others dont , do i need to look into it n modify anythin |
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| 19:56:03 | Nico_P | AceNik___: the album art tags can be the problem on non album art builds |
| 19:56:11 | austriancoder | how can i add a file to the wiki? |
| 19:56:56 | Nico_P | AceNik___: generally speaking, you can use the sim to find the problem |
| 19:57:33 | AceNik___ | i might have updated like build some 4 days ago |
| 19:57:37 | Nico_P | and if one of your WPSs crashes your player with a very recent build, I want to see it |
| 19:57:43 | AceNik___ | but i just checked to change a theme |
| 19:58:46 | Nico_P | 4 days should be alright... I think I haven't made any changes since |
| 19:59:18 | AceNik___ | well how can i help, there is nothin you can see visibily , the player says loading at the [ress of the pause button but , hangs , the wps to note this example would be the blacklgass, or the zenpods |
| 19:59:44 | Nico_P | I can get them on rockbox-themes for H10 ? |
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| 20:00:15 | jhMikeS | Toni1: yep |
| 20:00:30 | Nico_P | AceNik___: 5 GB or 20 GB ? |
| 20:00:32 | jhMikeS | rrr....he left |
| 20:00:39 | AceNik___ | 20GB |
| 20:01:50 | AceNik___ | well yes i thought s myself that the album art code in the themes could cause this problem , but does this mean , we remake all the themes to remove the %c tag of the album art , n it might be a problem since the %c is specifically used now for the RTC |
| 20:04:40 | Nico_P | it's rather the | in the AA tag format that's a problem |
| 20:04:50 | AceNik___ | Nico_P:is displaying the peakmeters on the wps's for the portal player targets still a problem , like i was thinkin of making them horizontal like an equaliser like winamp |
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| 20:05:17 | AceNik___ | Nico_P: how is that wat does the | make the player think? |
| 20:05:21 | n1s | AceNik___: they are quite slow, which can make the cpu choke |
| 20:05:51 | Nico_P | it's supposed to be a conditional delimiter |
| 20:06:31 | AceNik___ | n1s:so is there any possiblity that , we can do somethin like boosting or somethin to make it work as a screensaver or something of that sort |
| 20:07:15 | AceNik___ | Nico_P:do you think, having so many good themes , & causing such a problem , & making authors edit is goin to work well , what are we acheiving here |
| 20:08:39 | Nico_P | they'll wrk fine on album art builds |
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| 20:08:49 | Nico_P | unless there's another problem |
| 20:08:50 | n1s | AceNik___: i think they work ok, jus tthat depending on codec and bitrate, the ui may become pretty unresponsive, and the cpu will probably boost most of the time so optimization is probably the only way to go |
| 20:10:07 | AceNik___ | n1s:till now how much of the cpu is being used on portal player targets, like is there any spare resources |
| 20:10:55 | n1s | AceNik___: that depends on codec, bitrate, enabled dsp effects, so maybe |
| 20:11:24 | AceNik___ | Nico_P: ill be ready to give it a try after a lil while though ,wat else is to be expected of the wps coding now , i saw this real nice , patch n believe its rockbox's target too , to make themes work out of a .tar file |
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| 20:12:22 | Nico_P | yes I'd like to finish what linuxstb started on loading bitmaps from a tar file. Also I'm going to make album art right this summer |
| 20:13:40 | AceNik___ | yup i believe , that would be a could thing to do , but , could you explain these things to me ind eatil whenever u have time perhaps later , if you wish to ? |
| 20:14:00 | * | n1s wonders what will be the next big patch for the custom builds after aa gets done and viewports are implemented in wps... |
| 20:14:36 | Nico_P | AceNik___: what do you want me to explain ? |
| 20:14:39 | AceNik___ | n1s wat would vieports be doin ? |
| 20:14:43 | amiconn | Something even more weird that aa, I'd expect :\ |
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| 20:14:50 | amiconn | s/that/than/ |
| 20:15:31 | AceNik___ | Nico_P:just how the wps parser works & how the buffer handles stuff with the wps |
| 20:15:32 | Nico_P | AceNik___: also I just tried zenpod and blackglassAA50 from http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=160x128x16... neither hung |
| 20:15:32 | n1s | AceNik___: allow for mor flexible placing of wps elements mostly |
| 20:16:07 | n1s | AceNik___: also it will make scroll margins and the like possible |
| 20:16:13 | amiconn | viewports don't even aim at the wps primarily |
| 20:16:49 | amiconn | They're useful in a whole lot more places, like status bar, button bar, quickscreen (if we want to keep that)... |
| 20:17:30 | n1s | amiconn: I know, but I believe that these things will be implemented using viewports |
| 20:18:41 | amiconn | AA has 2 prerequisites: viewports and MoB |
| 20:20:11 | Nico_P | amiconn: AA doesn't really depend on viewports... the gigabeat for example has enough screen height to display AA and a few lines |
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| 20:20:59 | amiconn | Rockbox is multiplatform.... |
| 20:21:44 | Nico_P | of course but what I mean is that there is no real dependency between the two |
| 20:23:39 | amiconn | Well, there is no use adding it if it can't be used for real on the majority of targets it should work on |
| 20:23:48 | amiconn | (everything 2bpp and higher) |
| 20:24:24 | amiconn | But it's probably a moot point, as I hope/think that viewports will be available before MoB |
| 20:24:41 | Nico_P | I hope so too :) |
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| 20:25:13 | Nico_P | anyway it's possible to add non scrolling info next to the AA bitmap and the scrolling info underneath |
| 20:25:36 | Nico_P | there are some WPS that use AA without scrolling margins |
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| 20:30:32 | amiconn | Reminds me of the nasty no-scroll bug in the menu... |
| 20:31:30 | lowlight | would it be possible to read the aa bmp directly into the wps backdrop buffer? (to avoid using a separate buffer) |
| 20:31:53 | amiconn | no, this can't work |
| 20:32:14 | Nico_P | amiconn: there's a similar scrolling bug in the WPS : http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7006 |
| 20:32:21 | Nico_P | amiconn: why can't it work ? |
| 20:32:44 | amiconn | There can be more than one aa bitmap for the set of buffered tracks, and we surely don't want to spin up the disk on each track change |
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| 20:33:31 | linuxstb_ | lowlight:Also, you still need a buffer to store the "no album art" image. |
| 20:33:53 | linuxstb_ | But I guess you still need that anyway... |
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| 20:34:20 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: have you seen my patch and my answers ? |
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| 20:34:31 | lowlight | that would be a separate file |
| 20:34:40 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: I saw your answer, but haven't looked at the patch in detail. |
| 20:34:50 | Nico_P | ok |
| 20:35:14 | linuxstb_ | Is it still crashing on target? |
| 20:35:59 | Nico_P | it's mostly the same as yours. the most interesting part for you would be around line 345 of the patch |
| 20:36:14 | Nico_P | no, it wasn't crashing and it was a silly problem |
| 20:36:16 | amiconn | That's why aa pretty much needs MoB - everything else would waste ram |
| 20:36:36 | Nico_P | I thought file descriptors were strictly positive and on target I had a 0 fd |
| 20:36:38 | amiconn | And MoB will reduce ram waste even without aa |
| 20:36:55 | linuxstb_ | Nico:_P: Ah, OK. So it's working fine now? |
| 20:36:55 | amiconn | Nico_P: File descriptors are >= 0, that's common |
| 20:37:11 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: yes, all good :) |
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| 20:37:23 | Nico_P | amiconn: there are some very common things I don't know |
| 20:37:28 | Nico_P | still learning :) |
| 20:37:58 | amiconn | Just on PC you seldom get 0 |
| 20:38:14 | amiconn | ...because usually there's always an open file here or there in the system |
| 20:38:18 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: How does the speed seem to you? I did notice a big speedup with my patch, but would still like wps loading to be faster... |
| 20:39:08 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: I'm not really sure about the speedip. but on gigabeat regular loading was already fast. I'd need someone to test on something a bit slower |
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| 20:39:39 | * | amiconn stays away from all bitmapped wps'es because of the pathetic loading |
| 20:39:50 | Acksaw | hey guys, what version bootloader is the h300 build on now |
| 20:39:51 | Acksaw | ? |
| 20:41:30 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: do you think you could test ? |
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| 20:41:40 | pixelma | n1s: got a question wrt the langv2 patch... recently there was a title string for the playlist menu added - but there's also a generic string that reads "playlist" only - do we need both or could the menu just reuse "playlist" too? |
| 20:41:47 | n1s | Acksaw: the latest h300 bootloader is v5 |
| 20:41:50 | Acksaw | OK |
| 20:41:51 | Nico_P | or maybe amiconn... maybe you'll find it a bit less slow |
| 20:41:52 | Acksaw | Thanks! |
| 20:41:56 | Acksaw | I'm still running the right one :) |
| 20:42:15 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: I will do, but can't for a couple of hours. Is it on flyspray? |
| 20:42:16 | amiconn | Nico_P: In svn, wps bitmap loading takes ages... |
| 20:42:56 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: yes it is |
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| 20:43:13 | n1s | pixelma: If the strings are idetical or similar enough I'd say use the same one, people here need to start looking for strings that are already present before adding new ones... |
| 20:43:20 | Nico_P | amiconn: so maybe you'll see the difference with tar bitmaps |
| 20:43:22 | amiconn | If you get icatcher to load under 2 seconds then I might reconsider using bitmaps... |
| 20:43:38 | amiconn | With svn it's more like 20 seconds... |
| 20:43:47 | Nico_P | amiconn: on what player ? |
| 20:43:47 | AceNik___ | Nico: wat if there is a theme with out any album art tags loading the default wps |
| 20:44:12 | Nico_P | AceNik___: there are a lot of possible errors... the sim can help |
| 20:44:14 | pixelma | n1s: it is "Playlist menu" vs. "Playlist" |
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| 20:44:52 | AceNik___ | so does the simulator have a wps debug , iguess i read somewhr how i can u ise it to assist you now |
| 20:45:01 | AceNik___ | ill just make a simulator for my build now |
| 20:45:06 | AceNik___ | & test the wps |
| 20:45:08 | Nico_P | amiconn: on my gigabeat iCatcher takes a bit more than 3 seconds with tars |
| 20:45:44 | amiconn | hmmm |
| 20:46:05 | Nico_P | but other themes don't take much longer so it's hard to tell of there's an improvement |
| 20:46:09 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: On my ipod color, total boot time (power-off to root menu) is about 8 seconds, including loading icatcher. |
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| 20:46:31 | AceNik___ | Nico_P: is there a way to debug wps , tell me how then ill make the sim n test the themes |
| 20:47:19 | Nico_P | AceNik___: there is the −−debugwps command line option. but even without this when a WPS fails to load a message will be displayed to tell you what line is faulty and give you an indication of the problem |
| 20:47:22 | amiconn | Seems I missed something... loading icatcher became a whole lot faster than when I tried it last time... |
| 20:47:36 | amiconn | Even on archos recorder it now takes 3..4 seconds |
| 20:47:48 | Nico_P | amiconn: when did you last try ? |
| 20:48:06 | * | amiconn wonders whether this has to do with the tokeinzer |
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| 20:48:14 | amiconn | Dunno, sometime last year |
| 20:48:23 | AceNik___ | Nico_P: k can you tell me after giving the make command for making a simulator , wats next, like to make a sim working , is it make zip or wat |
| 20:48:44 | amiconn | I surely won't try such an unimportant feature every day just to see whether it becomes usable |
| 20:48:47 | Nico_P | amiconn: this could well be thanks to the tokenizer :) |
| 20:49:26 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: 3 seconds? On my ipod loading icatcher seems to take around 1 second (if the disk is spinning). That's SVN. |
| 20:49:43 | lowlight | AceNik___: make install |
| 20:49:53 | amiconn | Still, loading my own wps takes like 0.1 sec |
| 20:50:03 | AceNik___ | k thanks |
| 20:50:09 | amiconn | ...and faster is better :P |
| 20:50:43 | amiconn | linuxstb: I get around 3 seconds here almost independent of target. Maybe it depends on fragmentation on a hdd target |
| 20:50:46 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: in my 3 secs there is the time to get the disc spinning. how do you get it to be spinning ? |
| 20:50:54 | n1s | pixelma: I don't know where that string is used so you'll have to decide yourself :-) |
| 20:51:03 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: Just load themes quickly one after the other. |
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| 20:51:35 | pixelma | n1s: that's in the title line of the playlist submenu... |
| 20:51:52 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: And that's with the disk spinning? |
| 20:51:55 | amiconn | Nico_P: If you enter 'browse wps files', the disk will spinup to show the contents (unless you have dircache enabled, which I usually don't have, and even can't on half of my targets |
| 20:52:02 | amiconn | linuxstb: sure |
| 20:52:19 | Nico_P | I always enable diskcache |
| 20:52:24 | amiconn | It's also ~3 seconds on Ondio even though there is no spinup or seek delay |
| 20:52:53 | amiconn | I have dircache enabled on my H180 for a while now. I must say that I still don't really like it |
| 20:53:28 | amiconn | It's disabled on my 3 other targets which have it |
| 20:53:42 | H10_007quick | for "if else" in C do you do it like this? if (c=1) { Do This } else (c=2) { Do This } etc ? |
| 20:53:46 | n1s | pixelma: umm, ok it says only "Playlist" in the title here... maybe I've done something strange, but go with juds t "Playlist" if you feel it works :-) |
| 20:54:36 | * | amiconn finds dircache irritating |
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| 20:55:15 | badsheepy | why dont you like it? |
| 20:55:26 | lowlight | now that there are custom icons shouldn't a custom statusbar be possible using wps syntax and the parser |
| 20:56:17 | amiconn | n1s: See? People *will* come up with enough weird ideas... ;\ |
| 20:56:20 | pixelma | n1s: hmm.. same here, that's just what I thought it was from the description.... |
| 20:56:43 | n1s | amiconn: hah :-) |
| 20:57:36 | n1s | pixelma: are you sure that it's in the latest svn english.lang and not some leftover that has been included in the patch? |
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| 21:01:37 | linuxstb_ | H10_007quick: No, that won't work. I would suggest just browsing the Rockbox source to see lots of example of C. You need another "if" immediately after the else - "... } else if (c==2) { ..." |
| 21:03:23 | H10_007quick | thx |
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| 21:05:42 | pixelma | n1s: aha.. grep finds it in onplay.c and playlist_viewer.c (LANG_PLAYLIST_MENU but the string is "Playlist"...) |
| 21:05:51 | pixelma | ^current svn that is |
| 21:06:22 | pixelma | but in the patch the string was "Playlist menu" |
| 21:06:42 | n1s | haha, wonderfully confusing :-) |
| 21:07:22 | pixelma | but now I'm convinced that I can get rid of it :) |
| 21:07:41 | amiconn | Slasheri: around? |
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| 21:09:52 | AceNik___ | Nico_P:i made the simulator ,it just loads the theme , but it shows the default wps over my backdrop, no element of the wps with the theme is visible |
| 21:10:12 | AceNik___ | how can i debug via comman line & know whats wrong |
| 21:10:28 | Nico_P | AceNik___: that's normal because the WPS has failed to load. the console should show a message saying the parsing has failed and at what line |
| 21:11:23 | Nico_P | AceNik___: how do you launch the sim ? |
| 21:12:12 | AceNik___ | well i have the sdl file & the background exe that comes with the rockbox sim |
| 21:12:24 | AceNik___ | well it says parsing failed at line line , unclosed conditional |
| 21:12:50 | AceNik___ | %s%ac%t3%?it <%it|%fn> - %?ia <%ia|%fn>;%ac%?id <%id|%d1>, wats wrong with this line plz |
| 21:13:05 | Nico_P | actually it's not an exe, it's a batch file. you can open it in the notepad and add −−debugwps to the line |
| 21:14:42 | Nico_P | maybe the spaces before the '<' chars, but I'm not sure. unclosed conditional should mean there is a '>' missing before an end of line or end of subline |
| 21:15:02 | AceNik___ | rockboxui.exe −−background |
| 21:15:02 | AceNik___ | −−debugwps is this rite |
| 21:15:16 | Nico_P | rockboxui.exe −−background −−debugwps |
| 21:15:29 | Nico_P | you'll get a bunch of additional info |
| 21:17:55 | AceNik___ | well it was the spaces got it working now |
| 21:18:05 | AceNik___ | thanks a lot nico |
| 21:18:49 | Nico_P | you're welcome ;) |
| 21:19:10 | AceNik___ | well ill be heading off now, c ya |
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| 21:23:15 | Slasheri | amiconn: yes |
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| 21:24:13 | Slasheri | hi amiconn |
| 21:24:36 | amiconn | Slasheri: Is there something special on ihme.org regarding the sh toolchain? |
| 21:25:06 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, shouldn't be.. it still might be older gcc, i haven't had to to upgrade it yet |
| 21:25:09 | amiconn | gcc is the recommended one, but ihme.org seems to always build a little larger binaries than the other build servers (even xen.ihme.org) |
| 21:25:11 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: Did you update the wpsbuild.pl script as well? |
| 21:25:20 | Slasheri | ah, interesting |
| 21:25:32 | amiconn | It's not much, but it's strange... different binutils perhaps? |
| 21:25:40 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: no I didn't. I did tha tars myself |
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| 21:26:22 | Slasheri | sh-elf-gcc (GCC) 4.0.3 (rockbox patch #1) |
| 21:26:28 | Slasheri | not sure about binutils version |
| 21:26:42 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: OK, I'm doing it now - the patch doesn't apply any more. |
| 21:26:57 | bluebrother | arm-elf-as −−version ;-) |
| 21:27:07 | amiconn | sh-elf-as .... |
| 21:27:21 | Slasheri | GNU assembler 2.16.1 |
| 21:27:27 | amiconn | odd... |
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| 21:27:50 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: it would be good to also add the backdrop and progressbar bitmaps to the tar in order to completely get rid of the dir |
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| 21:31:11 | H10_007quick | what unit is udelay measured in by default? |
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| 21:33:27 | linuxstb_ | H10_007quick: It's a microsecond timer - 1 milllion ticks per second. |
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| 21:34:05 | H10_007quick | ah |
| 21:34:09 | H10_007quick | thank you |
| 21:34:30 | Slasheri | it means µdelay |
| 21:34:50 | * | linuxstb_ reads ?delay |
| 21:35:37 | Slasheri | that should be the micro (lowercase mu sign), but probably does not work in all charsets |
| 21:35:56 | H10_007quick | oh i see |
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| 21:42:05 | pixelma | H10_007quick: were you the one that added the h10_5gb strings (or found out it needs to be done to work correctly) - I just wonder why it is necessary because it's the same keymap after all (?) |
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| 21:42:17 | pixelma | in the language file I mean |
| 21:42:44 | H10_007quick | ya the problem is that it uses a different vairable than the h10 |
| 21:43:09 | H10_007quick | so when you apply something to h10 it does not apply to the h10_5gb |
| 21:43:32 | H10_007quick | so us with the 5gb version were getting all the default messages |
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| 21:45:08 | pixelma | hmm... I see. Thanks. |
| 21:45:40 | pixelma | but then I wonder why it uses a different variable... |
| 21:45:58 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: How did you create your tar files? Did you include the directory name in the paths? |
| 21:46:13 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: Your patch fails to load any bmp files for me... |
| 21:46:30 | Nico_P | no, I did it all from the bitmap dir |
| 21:47:12 | H10_007quick | because it ahs a different screen size and there fore has a different variable for the configure file which is the varialbes that the .lang files use |
| 21:48:00 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: Ignore me... |
| 21:48:30 | pixelma | H10_007quick: ah... ok |
| 21:48:44 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: so it works ? |
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| 21:51:10 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: Yes, it seems to be working fine. |
| 21:51:38 | Nico_P | any speed difference compared to SVN ? |
| 21:52:05 | linuxstb_ | Not really... I have a version of icatcher installed with and without .tar, and they both seem to load in the same time... |
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| 21:55:06 | Nico_P | hmm do we still want to add this if it doesn't improve the loading times ? |
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| 21:56:45 | H10_007quick | anyone here with an H10? |
| 21:57:03 | * | Arathis has an H10/20gb |
| 21:57:22 | H10_007quick | would you mind testing something for me? |
| 21:57:38 | Arathis | maybe :) |
| 21:57:42 | Llorean | Nico_P: I missed most of the conversation. Does it just combine WPS+bitmaps+ %X backdrop? |
| 21:57:43 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: I think it needs others to test. I've just uploaded a synced version of my wpsbuild.pl patch. |
| 21:58:09 | H10_007quick | Arathis: just whether or not i've improved on the scroll bar or not |
| 21:58:10 | linuxstb_ | Llorean: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6571 |
| 21:58:40 | Arathis | H10_007quick: can you provide a build? i don't have time to build one myself atm |
| 21:58:48 | Nico_P | putting the WPS file in the tar could be nice... we would have the whole thing in one file |
| 21:58:55 | H10_007quick | yup |
| 21:59:41 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: That would require the .wps to be first in the tar file though (or we search for it) |
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| 22:00:00 | linuxstb_ | I'm happy with the .wps being separate. |
| 22:00:03 | Llorean | Alright, I see. |
| 22:00:14 | H10_007quick | Arathis: http://www.007quick.bravehost.com/test/h10_20gb_normal.zip |
| 22:00:16 | Llorean | Mainly I was just making sure it wasn't an idea to try to create theme files. :) |
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| 22:00:22 | Nico_P | is searching for a particular file very slow ? |
| 22:00:40 | linuxstb_ | There's no index, so you have to scan each file in the tar in turn. |
| 22:01:01 | NanoThemes | How do you install themes on the Rockbox interface? I'm trying to install chanel and I loaded the WPS but.... |
| 22:01:24 | H10_007quick | NanoThemes: go to theme not wps |
| 22:01:31 | Arathis | H10_007quick: I'm watching tv so it could take some time to give a reply if you don't mind |
| 22:01:40 | H10_007quick | ok |
| 22:01:40 | NanoThemes | okay |
| 22:01:49 | H10_007quick | I'm just looking to see if the scrolling is better |
| 22:02:07 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: ok, maybe it's not worth it |
| 22:02:12 | NanoThemes | not appearing in the themes folder >.> |
| 22:02:17 | pixelma | Nico_P: does it deal with the wps/rwps of the same theme correctly? |
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| 22:02:49 | Nico_P | pixelma: haven't tried, but as long as all the required bitmaps are in the tar, probablyh |
| 22:03:02 | NanoThemes | hmm |
| 22:03:04 | Arathis | H10_007quick: any specific things to look for at how scrolling should work now? |
| 22:03:09 | Nico_P | Llorean: do you have ideas on tar themes ? |
| 22:03:17 | H10_007quick | just improvement |
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| 22:04:23 | Nico_P | pixelma: the tar is just a replacement for the directory. it works the same so I think it should work fine |
| 22:04:41 | NanoThemes | *plugs in Nano* Does it need to be a CFG files? |
| 22:06:49 | NanoThemes | I'm adding the .CFG files now =D maybe it'll work. BTW can Rockbox play .gvp files? (.gvp = Google Video Player) |
| 22:06:59 | H10_007quick | NanoThemes: when you download the wps there should be a file that goes into the theme folder which will be a .cfg file. click on this file and it will load everything |
| 22:07:10 | H10_007quick | no |
| 22:07:11 | NanoThemes | alright |
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| 22:07:15 | Llorean | Nico_P: Actually, I'm against tar themes. Tar WPSes I'm fine with, or tar bitmaps, but I like my themes to be mix and matchable for backdrop, iconset, and wps. |
| 22:07:41 | NanoThemes | Hmm, well is there a way I can find to transcode it to Mpeg? |
| 22:07:42 | Nico_P | Llorean: good point |
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| 22:08:11 | digerati1338 | Nano: yes |
| 22:08:28 | H10_007quick | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 22:08:35 | digerati1338 | there are sites that should let you save google videos as mpeg files |
| 22:08:46 | NanoThemes | Ok |
| 22:08:53 | digerati1338 | run a google search for "download google videos" or something like that. |
| 22:09:46 | NanoThemes | Or '.gvp to .mpeg'? |
| 22:10:14 | digerati1338 | sure |
| 22:10:35 | NanoThemes | How do you do the 'Open with Mpegplayer' on the nano? |
| 22:10:44 | NanoThemes | or do you do that on the computer? |
| 22:11:00 | badsheepy | apparently they are mpeg4 with a funky header |
| 22:11:13 | NanoThemes | ^_- |
| 22:11:34 | digerati1338 | some websites will actually transcode them for you and let you download the mpeg file. |
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| 22:11:51 | NanoThemes | Any idea on a website? |
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| 22:13:28 | H10_007quick | what is the difference between "static int" and just "int" ? |
| 22:13:58 | Arathis | H10_007quick: doesn't feel really improved to me. a bit jittery |
| 22:14:18 | digerati1338 | lol |
| 22:14:26 | NanoThemes | I'm sorta new to rockbox *Hunts for Transcode site* |
| 22:14:30 | bluebrother | static makes a variable local to the scope of a file (if it's global) |
| 22:14:30 | digerati1338 | the main difference is where they can be used |
| 22:14:36 | linuxstb_ | H10_007quick: A "static int" is global to the whole .c file, and only that .c file (i.e. it isn't exported) |
| 22:14:48 | bluebrother | so you can't access it from outside |
| 22:14:52 | H10_007quick | oh i see |
| 22:14:59 | bluebrother | same applies for functions |
| 22:15:07 | digerati1338 | yep |
| 22:15:14 | H10_007quick | Arathis: really? |
| 22:15:20 | NanoThemes | Okay I may have found something |
| 22:15:21 | digerati1338 | as in public static void main(String[] args) |
| 22:15:25 | digerati1338 | that's java tho |
| 22:15:30 | NanoThemes | DANG IT |
| 22:15:37 | NanoThemes | you have to buy it |
| 22:15:48 | Arathis | H10_007quick: doesn't look much different to the current one |
| 22:16:19 | TrueJournals | NanoThemes: Do you want to transcode video for use with rockbox? |
| 22:16:25 | NanoThemes | Yeah |
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| 22:16:39 | NanoThemes | I want to change a .gvp file to a mpeg file |
| 22:16:45 | linuxstb_ | NanoThemes: Have you read the PluginMpegplayer wiki page? |
| 22:16:53 | TrueJournals | gvp... hmm... |
| 22:16:53 | H10_007quick | TrueJournals: do you have a 5gb or 20gb h10? |
| 22:16:56 | digerati1338 | nano: just look to the right of the video and select download for psp from the drop-down. |
| 22:16:59 | TrueJournals | H10_007quick: I have a 20 GB |
| 22:17:04 | digerati1338 | that will save an mp4 to your computer. |
| 22:17:04 | H10_007quick | could you test somthing |
| 22:17:05 | NanoThemes | Oh |
| 22:17:11 | NanoThemes | Thanks! |
| 22:17:14 | H10_007quick | Arathis: thankyou for testing |
| 22:17:14 | TrueJournals | H10_007quick: Let me get my cable, then sure |
| 22:17:22 | H10_007quick | k |
| 22:17:38 | H10_007quick | http://www.007quick.bravehost.com/test/h10_20gb_normal.zip |
| 22:18:05 | NanoThemes | I have a 1 gb nano..... >.< |
| 22:18:47 | TrueJournals | H10_007quick: OK, give me a second... this is your "improved scrolling", correct? |
| 22:19:01 | H10_007quick | TrueJournals: hopefully |
| 22:19:12 | TrueJournals | Did you implement dragging from top to bottom yet? |
| 22:19:22 | NanoThemes | I plan on getting a better iPod later but for now RockBox owns (when one figures out how to use it...) |
| 22:19:24 | H10_007quick | not yet |
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| 22:19:29 | TrueJournals | OK |
| 22:19:37 | H10_007quick | but i thought that the overall feel was much better now |
| 22:19:54 | TrueJournals | let me try it out... |
| 22:19:55 | NanoThemes | And I thought WPS was the thing that loaded it... |
| 22:20:00 | NanoThemes | Thanks guys. |
| 22:20:19 | NanoThemes | now all I need to do is test it when it's done. |
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| 22:21:07 | NanoThemes | I believe I might go into programming to help out rockbox, and make it easier to use. |
| 22:21:27 | TrueJournals | Seeing kind of the same problem as Jonno12345 in the forums... if I press very lightly on the top or bottom, then sometimes it'll go up one, then down one really quick, or it'll go up one, then down two really quick, however, it seems to only be a problem on the EXTREME bottom... overall, seems a lot better |
| 22:22:04 | NanoThemes | I'm happy =D |
| 22:22:18 | H10_007quick | did a lot of avaraging |
| 22:22:28 | H10_007quick | now to get it to go up and down |
| 22:22:39 | NanoThemes | dang it |
| 22:22:51 | NanoThemes | I hate it when it says low batt when it isn't low batt |
| 22:24:36 | NanoThemes | ok |
| 22:24:48 | NanoThemes | now it's taking forever |
| 22:25:55 | NanoThemes | how do you get to the starting menu? |
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| 22:27:56 | NanoThemes | never mind... |
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| 22:28:53 | linuxstb_ | NanoThemes: I'm curious about your earlier statement - how would you change Rockbox to make it easier to use? |
| 22:29:35 | H10_007quick | TrueJournals: hmm, i have a 5gb version and I can't seem to reproduce your problem |
| 22:29:47 | TrueJournals | interesting... |
| 22:30:03 | NanoThemes | I wish they had givin nano movie capabilities in the first place... instead if making people buy the Ipod Video |
| 22:31:00 | NanoThemes | The interface would look more like the Ipod face that you could change like current only it would be default |
| 22:31:13 | NanoThemes | I like the original Catagory system |
| 22:31:24 | TrueJournals | Hm, now it really doesn't seem to be happening... |
| 22:31:48 | NanoThemes | like Music, Photos, Extras, Setting (Edit themes and other things) |
| 22:31:50 | TrueJournals | Do you have a patch that I can add to my personal build so I can try it out over the next couple of days? |
| 22:31:59 | NanoThemes | and the Shuffle song |
| 22:32:02 | H10_007quick | I can make one |
| 22:32:10 | TrueJournals | That'd be great |
| 22:32:16 | NanoThemes | Settings you would be able to Change the theme |
| 22:32:47 | linuxstb_ | NanoThemes: What's wrong with Rockbox's Settings -> Browse Themes option? |
| 22:33:07 | NanoThemes | Nothing I would try and make it easier to figure out |
| 22:33:24 | NanoThemes | I was confused at first |
| 22:33:29 | linuxstb_ | You couldn't find the Browse Themes option? |
| 22:33:36 | NanoThemes | At first |
| 22:33:49 | NanoThemes | I didn't know how to open the menu |
| 22:33:56 | NanoThemes | Not that this is bad. |
| 22:34:32 | NanoThemes | I think this is good, I would just try and make it easy for some one who is just learning about rockbox to use it |
| 22:35:19 | badsheepy | half the problem i find with new people trying it on my ipod is the buttons dont map like people expect them to |
| 22:35:40 | badsheepy | holding down menu to get to shuffle isnt instinctive, even if it is neat when you know what to do |
| 22:36:01 | NanoThemes | I was suprised when the button functions changed. |
| 22:36:24 | linuxstb_ | Rockbox isn't a replacement ipod firmware, it's a firmware that happens to run on ipods as well as many other players. |
| 22:36:34 | NanoThemes | I know that |
| 22:36:39 | badsheepy | i think we are all aware of that :P |
| 22:36:48 | linuxstb_ | Hence the reason it doesn't behave like Apple's firmware... |
| 22:37:02 | NanoThemes | We all understand that I believe |
| 22:37:42 | linuxstb_ | Then you should know the issues you mention won't be changed - Rockbox uses Rockbox's key mappings, not Apple. |
| 22:37:45 | NanoThemes | Of course you can ignore everything that I said |
| 22:37:49 | linuxstb_ | ^Apple's |
| 22:38:38 | badsheepy | surely usability is an important feature though |
| 22:38:45 | linuxstb_ | It's not just ipod owners who complain about this - owners of all devices expect Rockbox to act like their device's original firmware. |
| 22:38:56 | Llorean | Usability is fine. |
| 22:39:06 | Llorean | Tapping menu goes to the primary menu, holding menu goes to the quick menu. |
| 22:39:14 | badsheepy | its fine for you, i think its fine, but people who have never used it start to cry in my experience :) |
| 22:39:17 | Llorean | Instead of menu ever going "back" or anything silly like that. :-P |
| 22:39:27 | NanoThemes | I understand what your talking about I believe |
| 22:39:43 | linuxstb_ | badsheepy: I agree usabilityis important - but it's based on the user not having expectations based on the original firmware. |
| 22:39:50 | Llorean | The button does what the label says, which I think is an improvement. Of course it also helps if you just skim the manual first and check what buttons do. |
| 22:40:22 | badsheepy | yeah i never quite understood menu as being back |
| 22:40:29 | badsheepy | and the play button should be the middle one imo |
| 22:40:29 | NanoThemes | Me niether |
| 22:40:37 | H10_007quick | TrueJournals: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6678 |
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| 22:41:04 | NanoThemes | I like Rockbox |
| 22:41:54 | TrueJournals | Cool, thanks |
| 22:42:11 | NanoThemes | I also think (my own opinion) that it would be possible to make a 'beginners' rockbox which would act not only like rockbox but like the original firmware. |
| 22:42:20 | Llorean | H10_007quick: From your description, it sounds like I can have my finger on the bottom half of the pad and still have it scrolling up |
| 22:42:46 | TrueJournals | NanoThemes: Umm... but there are so many different original firmwares from different players rockbox works on |
| 22:43:00 | H10_007quick | Llorean: not so |
| 22:43:09 | badsheepy | a bit of onscreen prompting would be nice, but i dont think theres enough screen space on most devices |
| 22:43:13 | TrueJournals | The idea of rockbox is to use NO fragments of the original firmware... making it like the original firmware would, to me, seem to go against this |
| 22:43:22 | alienbiker99 | having a keymap.cfg file could solve this though |
| 22:43:23 | Llorean | H10_007quick: Well with those ranged, I could be at 170 and be scrolling up, according to the description at least. |
| 22:43:39 | bluebrother | NanoThemes: I don't think this would be a good thing −− users won't get the idea behind Rockbox ... |
| 22:43:42 | n1s | I think that we need to make people react more like if they had a device they had never used before in their hands instead of one they are used to... |
| 22:43:44 | Llorean | If I go from 240 to 170 and leave my finger there, the description suggests that downward scroll will continue. |
| 22:43:57 | NanoThemes | Okay. |
| 22:44:02 | H10_007quick | where is this description? |
| 22:44:11 | Llorean | The primary description for the task? |
| 22:44:12 | H10_007quick | the top of the flyspray I just posted? |
| 22:44:12 | bluebrother | but others might disagree with me ;-) |
| 22:44:19 | H10_007quick | that is for a different one |
| 22:44:22 | NanoThemes | Is the red names a PM? |
| 22:44:22 | Llorean | Oh |
| 22:44:32 | bluebrother | what red names? |
| 22:44:58 | NanoThemes | Like when you Private Message someone the name appears different? |
| 22:45:04 | Llorean | H10_007quick: You should never, EVER post a patch as a comment on another one if it's a completely new patch. |
| 22:45:09 | pixelma | I bet that's the "highlight" feature of the webclient |
| 22:45:22 | NanoThemes | Well I g2g. |
| 22:45:26 | Llorean | By "Different version" it suggests it's a version of that task, not an different patch entirely. |
| 22:45:36 | bluebrother | PM's usually open up in a new window, at least for most clients. Sounds more like a hilight to me what you got :) |
| 22:45:44 | NanoThemes | oh. |
| 22:45:46 | NanoThemes | lol |
| 22:46:01 | H10_007quick | Llorean: it could be called a version, I didn't use any of the code that the old patch used, but they are working on the same thing |
| 22:46:01 | bluebrother | if somebody writes your nick you get hilighted. Usually :) |
| 22:46:09 | Llorean | H10_007quick: No, then it's not a version. |
| 22:46:24 | H10_007quick | So should I open a new task? |
| 22:46:24 | TrueJournals | H10_007quick: You made the patch poorly too... patches should be able to run from the root source directory |
| 22:46:25 | Llorean | H10_007quick: It's not a version of that patch, because it has nothing to do with that patch other than trying to solve the same problem. You use the related task function. |
| 22:46:28 | NanoThemes | Bye. Sorry if I caused you to hate me.. Which is not what I wanted to do. |
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| 22:46:37 | H10_007quick | ah |
| 22:46:52 | H10_007quick | ok I will open a new one and relate them |
| 22:46:59 | Llorean | H10_007quick: Or at the very, very least, you don't call it a "different version", but instead say "Here's a from-scratch attempt to do a similar thing" or other text to show clearly that it's not a version of the original task. |
| 22:47:05 | bluebrother | he caused to hate him? Did I miss something? |
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| 22:47:14 | H10_007quick | ok |
| 22:47:23 | Llorean | That way people like me don't read it and assume that it's the same patch, modified. ;) |
| 22:47:51 | Llorean | bluebrother: I definitely agree that Rockbox should be seen by users as an entirely new thing, rather than expected to work like the original device. |
| 22:48:07 | linuxstb_ | Llorean: I'm not sure about that - I'm happy with improved or alternative patches to solve the same problem being part of the same task. The comments and patch filename/version number should make the difference clear. |
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| 22:48:43 | linuxstb_ | Also, the discussion about the patch(s) can be together, rather than split over two tasks. |
| 22:48:48 | Llorean | linuxstb_: As I said, at the very least, make the difference clear. |
| 22:49:03 | Llorean | linuxstb_: But if he's implementing it in a completely different way, I'm not sure it should be the same thing necessarily. |
| 22:49:29 | Llorean | It would cause a lot of confusion as to which implementation was being discussed, since it's essentially two code trees being tracked in one discussion. |
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| 22:50:06 | linuxstb_ | Llorean: I haven't looked at the task in question, just your comment saying "never, EVER"... |
| 22:50:33 | Llorean | Yeah, I was too harsh. |
| 22:50:42 | Llorean | That's overkill. |
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| 22:51:41 | H10_007quick | better? |
| 22:53:20 | Llorean | I've related the other one, too. |
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| 22:54:23 | H10_007quick | thankyou |
| 22:54:25 | bluebrother | H10_007quick: why don't you sum up the average in time but use 9 different variables instead? |
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| 22:54:54 | H10_007quick | I didn't see an option to relate |
| 22:55:12 | H10_007quick | bluebrother: go easy on me, its my first bit of C ever |
| 22:55:36 | H10_007quick | could you explain what you mean? |
| 22:55:44 | bluebrother | just add the values to avg1 and avg2 right when aquiring them and divide after that |
| 22:57:41 | H10_007quick | so like "static int avg1 = (data1+data2...) " ? |
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| 22:57:59 | bluebrother | gimme a sec. |
| 22:58:03 | H10_007quick | k |
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| 22:59:33 | H10_007quick | Llorean: could you add this as a related task too? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6041 |
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| 23:01:23 | linuxstb_ | H10_007quick: Those udelay() calls seem bad to me - it means your code takes at least 1000 microseconds (1ms) to run, and Rockbox can't do anything else in that time. IIUC, that function is called 100 times a second, so 10% of Rockbox's time is spent in your function... |
| 23:01:52 | H10_007quick | true |
| 23:02:10 | bluebrother | H10_007quick: see http://pastebin.ca/479693 |
| 23:02:23 | H10_007quick | so then how would I just measure quickly, then remember that one and measure again without getting rid of the old one? |
| 23:02:28 | bluebrother | haven't tried if it's compiling at all, but that's the way I would try it. |
| 23:02:46 | H10_007quick | obviously two different varialbles |
| 23:03:22 | bluebrother | also, you might want to put the data aquisition into a loop. Not sure if manually unrolling it is better in your case |
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| 23:04:08 | * | jhMikeS wonders what he's missing about getting the buttons to recognize messages posted by a scrollwheel |
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| 23:05:53 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: What do you mean? How can a button recognise messages? |
| 23:06:07 | webguest73 | bah, terrible client. |
| 23:06:30 | jhMikeS | I have the sansa clickwheel GPIO working, but when I post to the button_queue just like the iPos, I get no scrolling but it's posting for sure |
| 23:07:36 | bluebrother | webguest73: the wiki doesn't have write permissions for single pages. I added you to the write list so you should be able editing any page now |
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| 23:14:05 | H10_007quick | So how can I get my code to read a value to data, then respond, then read a value to data1 then respond to the avrage of the two? |
| 23:14:30 | H10_007quick | such that I don't have to have all those udelays |
| 23:15:44 | H10_007quick | Llorean: thanks for adding the related task |
| 23:16:25 | linuxstb_ | H10_007quick: Maybe store the history (i.e. last x values of the pad) in an array, and refer to those to create an average. |
| 23:19:24 | H10_007quick | linuxstb_: like this? http://pastebin.ca/479722 |
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| 23:20:51 | linuxstb_ | H10_007quick: No, an array. This page may help - http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming:C_arrays |
| 23:21:07 | H10_007quick | k i will read it |
| 23:21:18 | bluebrother | H10_007quick, use an array and a pointer to the array. Point always to the last used entry in the array, and sum up all values for the average |
| 23:21:46 | jhMikeS | odd, it works in the WPS but not from the menus :\ |
| 23:30:07 | H10_007quick | so my array could be "int history[2]= [ data , data1 ];" ? |
| 23:30:24 | H10_007quick | wait history[1] |
| 23:34:54 | bluebrother | static int history[5]; |
| 23:35:08 | bluebrother | int* histval = history; |
| 23:35:33 | bluebrother | and the write new values to *histval++ and make sure to wrap at the end of the array. |
| 23:36:24 | bluebrother | for outputting the data just avg = 0; for(int i = 0; i < 5; i++) avg += history[i]; |
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| 23:36:37 | bluebrother | or whatever length your history is supposed to be. |
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| 23:39:48 | H10_007quick | by output you mean to enter a value into the array? |
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| 23:44:29 | H10_007quick | i'm starting to understand! |
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| 23:45:45 | bluebrother | nice. Sorry, but I'm doing other things the same time, so I'm somewhat laggy |
| 23:47:50 | jhMikeS | heh...I think it's just the button map |
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| 23:50:33 | jhMikeS | yup, GPIO IRQ scrollwheel works now :) |
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| 23:57:13 | Llorean | Does that bring with it a performance improvement? |
| 23:57:21 | jhMikeS | yes |
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| 23:58:28 | H10_007quick | bluebrother: so "int* histval = history;" creates a pointer at the array called history to add a value to the array I would do like "int* histval = data;" use "avg = 0; for(int i = 0; i < 5; i++) avg += history[i];" to select a value from the array, but does this just point to the newest one? |
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