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#rockbox log for 2007-05-09

00:00:10markunso it's not just my ears
00:00:43*scorche checks the logs
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00:05:07scorchei listen to music at -74 with my IEMs =P
00:05:32markunscorche: which DAP?
00:05:41scorchethat is mute ;)
00:05:47*scorche cheers for line outs
00:05:55LloreanI listen at about -55 to -60 with my PX100s which are open, but my apartment is very quiet usually.
00:08:13amiconnscorche: On my preferred dap(s), -74dB isn't mute :P
00:09:10scorcheamiconn: on my nano....unfortunately, my archos units are all out of commission until i break out the soldering iron
00:11:42pixelmaLlorean: I listen at about the same volume in a quiet surrounding
00:12:19pixelmawith open earplugs
00:12:27saratogai'm just playing with the ffmpeg wma decoder now, and noticed something odd
00:12:39amiconnArchos player goes to -78dB, Irivers to -84dB. The other archoses could go down to -115dB but rockbox 'only' goes to -100dB for display reasons
00:12:57saratogait seems to decode some files encoded with the WME tool, but not ones encoded with WMA11
00:13:13saratogais there some difference?
00:13:30amiconnThere are several WMA format versions afaik
00:13:43saratogayeah but foobar reports them both as wma std
00:13:53amiconnIt's quite possible that the ffmpeg codec doesn't decode the newest ones
00:14:03saratogathough oddly one shows up as "wma v2" and the other as "wma9"
00:14:29amiconnWindows media player does display the WMA version
00:14:49saratogawell I downloaded the version I have now ages ago, so maybe this is fixed, just I'm really confused about why these files are different
00:15:13saratogagod damn it
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00:15:49saratogawmp reports the broken one as a pro file
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00:16:25saratogawmp reports the broken one as a WMA Pro file, so nevermind
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00:18:43RincewindLlorean: did you have a look at my Runtime scaling patch?
00:19:16LloreanRincewind: I've really done very little Rockbox related in the past few weeks, sorry. I haven't looked at it at all.
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00:21:15amiconnWMA is actually quite a collection of different codecs
00:21:21RincewindI think it does what you said to be a solution when we last talked about the issue
00:23:05LloreanRincewind: Sounds good. I will look at it at some point, I'm sure. I've just been quite busy.
00:23:42saratogadumb question, but if ffmpeg returns a buffer of 2048 samples, is it likely theres 1024 left and then 1024 right samples, or is LRLRLRLRLRLR... more likely
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00:24:52RincewindjdGordon had a look at the patch, but apart from that I got very little response to it yet.
00:25:09webguest67789456can you play GBA? or just GBC
00:25:42scorcheyou cannot play GBA games
00:26:01Rincewindwebguest67789456: you can also play the old gamboy roms (non-color)
00:26:32webguest67789456ok thxs
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01:15:59HellDragonmarkun: because
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01:22:05buleeahnI've noticed an odd habit of rockbix on my ipod lately...
01:22:21buleeahnWhen the idle time is exceeded and the powersaving kicks in it's as if it totally powers down.
01:22:34buleeahnThe next time I power the ipod back up it's as if it's a fresh boot.
01:22:47buleeahnIs there any way to get rockbox to mimic the default apple firmware in this regard?
01:24:51buleeahnLlorean Thanks.
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01:34:06matt___just installed rockbox on my ipod video 5th gen, i love it. however, what sohuld the battery setting be?
01:34:28LloreanDoesn't matter, it doesn't affect anything useful at the moment.
01:34:28Soapthat function isn't working properly.
01:34:37Soapthere is no "correct" setting at this time.
01:35:10matt___Soap: Llorean both of you talking to me? you mean i should just set it to the lowest possible?
01:35:24LloreanWe mean that you don't need to mess with it at all, it's useless right now
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01:35:29badsheepywhere is the best place to look to start playing about with rockbox code, i looked in docs and the api one said it was obselete, but is there an equivalent, cause i couldnt find one
01:35:35matt___Llorean: ok, thanks.
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01:35:42Soapyes we are both talking to you, no you shouldn't set it to the lowest.
01:36:23matt___Soap: what should it be then, if it is too high, well, bad for the battery. but Llorean says it does nothing.
01:36:47markunbadsheepy: did you download the source code?
01:36:55badsheepyyes i have been meddling in it
01:36:57Soapit does nothing - forget you saw the setting.
01:37:16markunbadsheepy: and are you able to compile rockbox?
01:38:00markunis there anything in particular you want to work on?
01:38:01badsheepyi have been trying to add a setting but after modifying like 5 different files it still doesnt show up, so i was looking for an overview or something so i can see what i have missed without having to read the entire source first :)
01:38:03Lloreanmatt___: Seriously, it doesn't affect anything. The setting is used to estimate how much battery lifetime is left, in hours and minutes, but is entirely incorrect for iPods. It doesn't affect how the battery is used at all.
01:38:46badsheepynot really, i havent used c in so long i can barely remember how to use a pointer, im just interested in meddling with it a bit for now
01:38:49markunmatt___: just ignore the setting
01:38:49matt___Llorean: thank you for knowing. :)
01:39:10matt___so, where can i find "icons"
01:39:17matt___the default site seems to be down
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01:41:09LloreanWhat default site is that?
01:41:13LloreanThe official site seems to be working fine.
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01:50:12buleeahnIs there a way to reorder the main menu selections? Or would that be a sourcecode change that would require compiling?
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01:52:16TrueJournalsbuleeahn: There is currently a patch in Flyspray for this. Yes, it would require compiling. Right now it seems as though it is a feature that will never be included in SVN because it is a feature that "would be too hard to support"
01:53:28LloreanTrueJournals: It also increases binary size and complexity
01:53:49badsheepybut itd be nice :)
01:54:11Llorean"Nice" isn't always good enough, when there are other considerations as well
01:54:14TrueJournalsLlorean: I've heard binary size mentioned once, never heard complexity mentioned (and not sure what you mean by this...), really the main reason I've heard is a support issue...
01:54:36LloreanTrueJournals: Complexity, as in, the code becomes more complex.
01:54:37buleeahnBut it's possible and I'm confident I can dig thru the code when I have the time.
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01:54:49buleeahnTrueJournals: Thanks! :)
01:54:51TrueJournalsLlorean: Ah, I see
01:54:55TrueJournalsNo problem ;-)
01:55:16LloreanThere's just not a good argument for it, other than "It'd be nice", and it makes things a bit nasty in a few areas.
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01:56:12TrueJournalsWell, I suppose I can't help there, but that's something I'd like to see posted to FS. If you just read the FS entry, it seems like the only arguement is really a support issue.
01:56:32LloreanI suppose I could just close it with "Rejected" and be done with it...
01:57:02buleeahnLlorean: I'm curious by what you mean by "makes the code more complex"...
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01:57:27buleeahnLlorean: Do you mean that the functionality to allow the menu to be customized would be too complex?
01:57:33buleeahnI mean...
01:57:33Lloreanbuleeahn: Makes it harder for people to read and understand what's happening in the menu code, as well as adding new menus or creating their own ones, generally.
01:57:45buleeahnAllow the menu to be changed from within rockbox.
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01:58:14buleeahnOk, so simply modifying the source code and changing the order of the main menu shouldn't be too challenging.
01:58:35LloreanIt shouldn't be.
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01:59:58Hilikushey guys
02:00:33Hilikuscan someone help me compile a windows sim under linux, if i follow the method in the wiki it creates a linux sum
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02:01:43TrueJournalsHilikus: Did you follow the instructions at ?
02:02:58Hilikusno, i followed
02:03:04Hilikusim going to check that one
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02:05:52nediyimI couldn't find any licence information about rockbox... does anyone know anything about this issue?
02:06:13LloreanWhat issue, exactly?
02:06:21nediyimwhat is the license of rockbox?
02:06:23LloreanIt's GPL licensed and contains the appropriate notification.
02:07:34nediyimbut I assume an appropriate notification should include a page in web also :)
02:08:56scorchenot really...
02:09:53LloreanThe source code itself is GPL licensed, as is the program, so the licenses are included with both of those
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02:16:52nediyimI actually downloaded the tarball but there's only one licence.txt which is related to dumb codec
02:16:57nediyimand it's not gpl...
02:17:08nediyimwhere is that appropriate notification in source code?
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02:18:03nediyimyep I got it, thanks...
02:18:32nediyimI forgot to grep copy :)
02:18:46nediyimbut really I would put the licence information in web also...
02:18:51nediyimit's useful
02:19:37amiconnWell, technically it's there
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02:20:30nediyimI was trying to say that it would be useful like in documentation etc. :)
02:20:36nediyimbut doesn't matter at all..
02:21:18scorchethe manual is under the GFDL and it is in there
02:22:47amiconnThe GPL is in the manual as well
02:23:06nediyimI should be missed it... Anyway it seems to be a great project...
02:23:45nediyimI hate the iPod is just playing mp3 where I prefer flac and ogg... and a solution like this is more than my every expectation...
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02:26:30Hilikusdoes anyone here use the contacts plugin?
02:30:17nediyimgood day everyone..
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02:32:07Hilikus:S that plugin has a lot of compile errors
02:34:31badsheepyi feel mighty stupid in that i didnt realise the sim ignored the firmware in the virtual drive and needed compiling
02:34:45badsheepybut at least now im not confused as to why nothing changed no matter what i do :D
02:36:48Hilikuswhy were all the defines in menu.h removed?
02:37:12Hilikusin feb 2007
02:37:40LloreanHilikus: What does the commit message for that change say?
02:38:46Nico_PjhMikeS ?
02:39:01Hilikusbeginning of the new menu system.
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02:41:19JdGor|unistupid bloody non standard usb cable :'( codec error and no cable so im stuck in the OF today
02:43:09AloneaJdGor|uni: aww, poor dear. You will survive!
02:43:19mrkI'm probably going to try to do album art again today. I mean, it shouldn't be that, bad, but I *really* don't know what I'm doing. So when I go to actually start it and get it done, I just give up at the beginning, because I don't know where to start....
02:43:23JdGor|unibarely.. the OF is really crap :)
02:43:42AloneaJdGor|uni: what player do you have?
02:43:47LloreanThe Sansa I'm guessing
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02:43:54JdGor|uniyep, th sansa
02:43:58LloreanIn which case he's entirely right, the OF is one of the most painful I've used.
02:44:07Aloneaah, ok. know nothing about them.
02:44:24TrueJournalsOK... I need a bit of help.... where does SDL install to by default?
02:44:43JdGor|unilinux or windows?
02:44:49TrueJournalsUnder linux, for windows
02:45:14Aloneavmware I thinks he means
02:45:23TrueJournalsNot really
02:45:43JdGor|uniah, cant help you threr
02:46:16TrueJournalstrying to follow those directions... but since I run linux under coLinux with no X server, I will never need to compile the sim for Linux, so I just left out the "−−prefix=$SDLDIR" on the ./configure command... now I can't figure out where SDL is
02:46:56TrueJournalsAh, think I just found it
02:47:44TrueJournalsNevermind, got it
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02:48:17TrueJournalsJust one quick question now... How do I keep my path even after logging out/logging in/rebooting?
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02:49:34JdGor|uniput it in your login script..
02:49:52TrueJournalsOK, let me try that...
02:50:07badsheepy.profile for me
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02:53:25TrueJournalsThat worked, thanks :-D
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03:05:03Nico_Plinuxstb: you there ?
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03:07:33Joelyhey Nico_P!
03:07:51Nico_PJoely: hi
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03:09:10Joelyhehe i'm working on a good looking prototype of the ir module! i'm obsessive and determined to get this working :)
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03:10:22Nico_Pany code yet ?
03:11:34Joelywell i still don't know what to do...plugin...codec, either i don't remember what the consensus was or no one is excited enough to give me an answer :-P
03:11:45hcsi'm in ur module workin on ur prototypez
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03:18:05webguest74someone there?
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03:18:17Aloneawebguest74: yup. there are people here
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03:19:05WaReZ_LaDHello I am looking for a confirm\deny on rumors that development on the 80gb has finally been abandoned
03:19:15LloreanWaReZ_LaD: Deny
03:19:23webguest74can you anwer me a question?
03:19:24WaReZ_LaDhokay, thanks.
03:19:59Aloneawebguest74: all you have to do is just ask a question. no need to ask to ask
03:21:00WaReZ_LaDAlonea: I used to always type that myself until I realized that "yes" was only three keystrokes :]
03:21:43AloneaWaReZ_LaD: I don't mind typing it out.
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03:21:56webguest74why i cant play music in my ipod nano wen i chargin it whit a wall charger?
03:22:40Aloneasorry, I don't know anything at all about ipods.
03:25:18webguest74whith rockbox i cant play because it goes to disk mode wen im chargin it with usb
03:25:21badsheepycan you plug it in when its off, when i do that wih the pc usb cable it boots into rockbox with the c\able connected
03:25:39badsheepyi dont know if it charges though, i never tried
03:25:45Joelyhmm is voltage scaling for audio stable? i would assume that the power management is pretty good...but just want to make sure before i go and buy my 1 Amp / 1 Watt LEDs to find out i went a _lot_ overboard. i have a driver that takes input from .7 to 5.5, and i really want to conserve battery
03:26:32Lloreanwebguest74: Just hold Menu while you plug in the cable
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03:52:04H10_007quickDoes anybody here know were I can find info on the H10 scroll pad? I'm sure that there has been work done, ie. testing voltage etc. But I can't find it!
03:52:40H10_007quickOr do I have to wait for barrywardell?
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04:08:03JdGor|unidaurn: ping?
04:08:13JdGor|uniLlorean: did you try out toni's sd card patch?
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04:29:03H10_007quickDoes anybody here know were I can find info on the H10 scroll pad? I'm sure that there has been work done, ie. testing voltage etc. But I can't find it!
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04:31:01TrueJournalsH10_007quick: What kind of info?
04:31:32TrueJournalsLike, what do you mean by testing voltage? Testing the voltage that powers the scrollpad?
04:31:37scorcheH10_007quick: did you look in the wiki?
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04:38:48kennethdHi all, I have a new iaudio x5, and have two questions: 1st, when I connect the usb cable to my thinkpad t42 (debian etch/2.6.18-3-686), I get "device not accepting address 26, error -71"... what is that? & 2nd, my sarge/ system sees it ok, but before I mount it, I want to make sure... it's a vfat partition, right? (& 3rd, does rockbox support ext3/symlinks?)
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04:40:43Hilikusits fat32 AFAIK
04:40:53Hilikusand no, not ext3
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04:43:40kennethdahhh, yes it mounted fine as vfat... exciting! thanks Hilikus
04:47:10H10_007quickscorche: Yes I looked at the wiki, I need test results for the reading of the H10 scroll pad. It needs lots of improvement but I need info on it
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04:48:30scorcheyou will likely want to catch barrywardell and ask him, or you can perform your own tests
04:49:14H10_007quickthats what I was afraid of!
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05:09:39H10_007quickok, I'm looking to write a code that will read the value of the scroll pad (which is already out there by barry) but to also have it read a second time about .25 sec latter to then take the avarage of the result. How would I tell the function to do that?
05:09:55H10_007quickI know how to do some of it
05:10:04H10_007quickjust the reading it twice part
05:10:51aliaskHow are the results formatted? If it's just an integer getting an average should be dead simple...
05:10:58H10_007quickis there special code for time?
05:11:11H10_007quickits a number
05:11:21H10_007quickbut the problem is not taking an avarage
05:11:32H10_007quickits getting the two numbers in the first place
05:11:47Hilikuswhere can i find info about the new menu api?
05:11:58H10_007quickcurrently the instant value is used
05:12:06aliaskWell, you could use sleep or yield or udelay to get it to wait the desired time
05:12:57aliaskHilikus: It's not really that well documented, a good place to learn about it might be the code that uses it, or if in doubt ask JdGordon
05:14:42Hilikusis it very different from the old api?
05:15:02Hilikusi just need to port a plugin to the new api
05:15:06aliaskQuite a bit.
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05:15:21aliaskBut it's not hard to use or learn
05:15:50H10_007quickso right now it has a varialbe data = blah if I added data1 = {yield .25, data} it would read two values?
05:18:10aliaskNo, you do data = blah;\n yield(0.25*HZ);\n data1 = blah;
05:23:52Hilikushey guys, is the progress bar like text in terms of the layout or can i give it X, Y coordinates? this is in a wps
05:24:21Hilikuscause i see %pb has 4 arguments but the wiki is not clear what they are
05:24:44Hilikusand from what i have tried theres no way to move the bar just a little bit
05:27:26Hilikusis toppos = Y??
05:27:34aliaskI'd guess so.
05:27:48H10_007quickand to take the avarage of data and data1 it would be data_avg = ((data+data1),/2) ?
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05:27:58Hilikusand width would be right-left?
05:28:23Hilikusyou dont need a comma
05:28:48H10_007quick((data+data1)/2) ?
05:29:02H10_007quickI will give it a shot
05:29:20aliaskHilikus: Yes, I think so, but it seems like a very strange way to do it...
05:29:53Hilikusaliask: have you actually tried the last param to vertically position the bar?? im pretty sure i tried that yesterday and it didnt work
05:29:57Hilikusim gonna try again
05:30:13aliaskI've never made a WPS. I'm not familiar with the WPS code either.
05:30:26aliaskI'm just telling you what it says in the Wiki.
05:30:36Hilikusfrom my tests the last param was never used, nothing changed if the last param was 0 or 999
05:34:18Hilikusactually the wiki IS wrong, the first param is 0 and it is not 0 height
05:34:32Hilikusand the last param doesnt seem to do anything either
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05:39:13Hilikusthat doesnt make sense to me
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05:53:41aliaskhey there webguest15
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06:09:01H10_007quickdata = blah;\n yield(0.25*HZ);\n data1 = blah; is not doing what I want it to do
06:09:31aliaskWhat's going wrong then?
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06:11:23H10_007quickI want data to equal the function at 0 seconds and data1 to equal the function at .25 seconds
06:11:40H10_007quickyield stops the thread right?
06:12:34aliaskYes, it passes the control over to the thread scheduler and it should return in 0.25 seconds
06:13:09H10_007quickI don't think that that will work for a button
06:15:07aliaskTry udelay(25) then (or should that be 250...?)
06:15:56aliaskHowever that will cause a hard coded delay in the button driver, not sure if this is noticeable though.
06:16:54H10_007quickya so you click and it doesn't do anything for .25 secs right?
06:21:14kennethdok, another dumb question... I'm not seeing in the manual where to copy music to... the only directory I see with a "ls -lA" is .rockbox, does it matter where I copy my music to?
06:22:19H10_007quickmusic can go anywere but best to not put it in a hidden folder, ie .rockbox
06:22:58kennethdH10_007quick: cool, thanks... just checking
06:23:25H10_007quickaliask: to test if data1 is not 0 I would do if (!data1=0) right?
06:25:23H10_007quickor (data1!=0) ?
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06:28:16Hilikusnot =
06:28:34Hilikusbut if its NOT zero is != 0
06:30:08Hilikusoh man, i really think the whole wps system is terrible, i would love to help design a new way
06:30:30Hilikusi read the idea for the new one but it seems its some guys idea
06:30:55aliaskThe problem with redoing the WPS is that all the old WPS files would not work.
06:31:03Hilikusi know :S
06:31:28Hilikusbut line based is annoying, moving text by adding empty lines is DOS
06:32:17Hilikusim sure we could come up with a backwards compatible way
06:33:41Hilikusbut i dont know if im wrong but it seems rb is more like, some developers have their own part of the project theyre familiar with, and only them can change or do anything that will at the end get commited, not really a "community" project
06:34:06Hilikusthe others are stuck with writting hacks
06:34:20aliaskI disagree with that, but the knowledge is quite segmented.
06:34:37aliaskRockbox is pretty huge, I don't think any one person is familiar with the whole thing
06:35:12H10_007quickto divide by two I have to use 0x2 right?
06:35:41Hilikusthats ok, but i dont even see teams working on a subsystem, i keep hearing, ooh, thats johns part, oh thats X part, if one guy is in charge of redesigning the wps system i think thats too much for 1 guy
06:36:10Hilikusbut im pretty new around here so my impression could be wrong
06:36:49aliaskI suppose there is that to a certain extent, but I'm sure that if you put forward a proposal, people will come forward to help out.
06:37:01Hilikusis there ever some kind of, brainstorm, "how do we solve/fix X" ?
06:37:16Hilikusoh cool
06:37:20aliaskAnd it usually happens here
06:37:26Hilikusi c
06:37:42aliaskDo you usually come to IRC this time?
06:37:55aliaskThis is probably the quietest part of the day
06:38:10Hilikustheyre in europe?
06:38:24aliaskA lot of people are, yes.
06:39:38Hilikuswell, thanks for the info aliask, i think i will try to get to know the api by (re)writing a plugin one of these days
06:39:55Hilikusthis project is awesome
06:40:26Hilikuscover art + replaygained collection = the best dap experience ever!
06:40:40Hilikusoh and random album
06:40:48Hilikuslove them
06:40:55Hilikusgood night everyone
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06:42:47livingtmIm sure this is a newb question... can I listen to my ipod while its charging on USB?
06:43:35aliasklivingtm: Hold menu while inserting the USB cable
06:43:48livingtmaliask, sweet thanks.
06:44:11livingtmVERY cool.
06:44:26livingtmIve had about an hour with RockBox and the more i use it the more i like it!
06:44:43livingtmcant seem to get my itunes cover art to show up though
06:45:20livingtmaliask, any way to reverse that logic? so menu + usb = disk mode?
06:45:51livingtmhm. ok
06:46:09aliaskCover art is only available in custom builds
06:46:15aliask(at the moment)
06:46:40livingtmi have the a jbuild from one of the authors of a theme on the rockbox site
06:46:55livingtmbut i dont get the art
06:47:31aliaskAh ok. Well I don't have any experience with it, sorry...
06:47:38livingtmok thx
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07:03:31livingtmIs it better to leave my media in the itunes file structure, or clear that out and start over with a clean folder
07:03:44aliaskWhat do you mean by "better"
07:03:56livingtmare there any advantages or disadvantages
07:04:27livingtmi guess one disadvantage would be that booting into the apple firmware wouldnt recognize a non-apple database
07:04:41badsheepydatabase stores things with random names, makes playlists mostly unusable
07:05:23livingtmbadsheepy, so if i dont plan on using the apple firmware, i should put my media in a regular folder/filename structure?
07:06:12badsheepythats what i have done on mine
07:06:34livingtmI may do that.. seems like it makes so much more sense.
07:06:34badsheepythere might be a way around it i dont know of though
07:07:03livingtmi should be able to play me "video podcast" .m4v files shouldnt I?
07:08:29badsheepyno idea
07:08:43livingtmor the photos that were on the ipod
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08:50:29bluebrotherLlorean: thanks for rejecting FS #6718 :) But shouldn't we reject FS #5700 too?
08:53:02earHertz___bluebrother: linky?
08:53:44earHertz___ah, nevermind
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09:04:08amiconn'Follow playlist' doesn't seem to work at all :(
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09:09:52LinusNseems like the follow playlist implementation is a really fragile one
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09:10:11amiconnIt's most probably a wps issue
09:10:39amiconnThe wps just needs to tell the path to the file browser afaiu
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09:11:38Lloreanbluebrother: Done.
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09:14:40LinusNamiconn: yes, but afaiu, it isn't trivial to make the browser update the location from that path
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09:15:41LinusNbecause of how the code is written, and how it was changed for the mainmenu
09:16:26amiconnWell it worked for quite some time in the past
09:16:50amiconnIt looks like something was just forgotten to adapt
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09:19:33LinusNlet's hope you're right
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09:21:25GodEateris this as a result of the playback changes ? Or something else ?
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09:24:42GodEaterhmm - isn't discussion of DRM circumvention a banned subject in the forums ?
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09:25:57pixelmahmm... works here as long as music is playing (going back to file browser) but it doesn't work correctly when I stop (rev. 13357). I think it worked correctly not so long ago...
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09:56:55JdGordonLinusN: no, it is easy to set the file browser path from the current file
09:57:01JdGordonset_current_file() iirc
09:57:04JdGordonor something like that
09:59:58LinusNok, then i wonder what the problem may be
10:00:51JdGordonjust coz its easy.. doesnt mean its being done :p
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10:09:42tucozAny devcon attendees around?
10:10:08*pixelma puts hand up (but not for long)
10:10:19tucozI wonder if i could set up a devcon207talk page. To be able to add some thought to the agenda
10:10:55scorchewhich devcon? =P
10:10:57bluebrotherI wondered if it would be feasible to use a different namespace some time ago
10:11:25tucozwe could split that page in two. west/international
10:11:42bluebrothernot Main/DevCon2007 but Talk/DevCon2007, and possibly auto-add links to the talk namespace to all pages
10:11:51tucozaha. i see
10:11:51bluebrotherbut I don't know if that's possible at all.
10:12:11scorchei dont think it is really necessary
10:12:52bluebrotherI don't think it's absolutely necessary too, but it might be helpful
10:12:59pixelmacouldn't you put it in the agenda itself?
10:13:01bluebrotherunless it's a pain to set that up ;-)
10:13:16tucozpixelma, i dont want to mess with that page,
10:13:19scorchei think the space int he respective pages is enough
10:13:57tucozi am afraid of clutter. but if you think its fine, ill do that
10:14:21tucozsorry for the missing apostrophes, i have some weird keyboard setup
10:14:44scorcheif there needs to be discussion, i think discussing it in here would be ample space
10:15:03scorchereally most of the discussion will take place at the actual con
10:15:23tucozi have very little time to hang around on irc unfortunatley. But, i just wanted to chip in my thoughts on the 3.0 point
10:15:50tucozand thoughts stick better in the wiki, than in here i think
10:15:53scorcheoh...that...i would just plan on being in IRC during the con
10:16:20bluebrotherbtw, any news on the skype idea?
10:16:21JdGordonirc is annoying... im hoping we can d skype for the discussio parts of devcon
10:16:42scorchebluebrother: i could easily do it for west, but i cant speak for euro
10:16:47tucozi think skype would be great. i tried to join a conference call some time ago, and it worked great
10:16:59tucozit was like an open chat session
10:17:27scorcheit will be done for west, but talk to badger for euro =)
10:18:01tucozi write down my thoughts locally, and hang around during the con :)
10:18:17tucozsee you later...
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10:19:03bluebrotherscorche: what do you need for a skype conference call? Anything else but the client (and account of course)?
10:19:48bluebrotherso no paid account necessary?
10:20:28bluebrothersounds great.
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10:24:41scorchenice thing about skype is that it runs on almost all platforms
10:25:07scorcheand is a decent protocol
10:26:11peturbut propietary and not open and sometimes a real bandwidthhog, which is why I uninstalled it
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10:30:54scorche`there are also plugins like if we need
10:36:53markunis there nothing with SIP and speex to do a conference call?
10:37:20scorche`not there something against using skype?
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10:37:53markunscorche`: it just doesn't feel right to me :)
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10:38:14markunjust as there would be nothing wrong with installing windows on my laptop, but still I didn't do it
10:38:25scorche`there are linux packages
10:39:07peturtheir latest versions are real crap, and I hate it when they use you as supernode.
10:39:48scorche`yeah...supernode is the only beef i have with ut
10:40:30peturLast stuff I used was gizmo and that worked well, don't know if they do conferences. But that is SIP iirc
10:41:11scorche`skype will support up to 25 users on a conference call for free
10:41:37peturseems gizmo does group-chat:
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10:42:18markundon't know about Ekiga (gnomemeeting)
10:46:56LinusNlast time i heard, IRC supported "group-chat" as well :-P
10:47:44scorche`people would much rather do some sort of conference non-textual it seems
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10:47:59markunscorche`: who?
10:48:24scorche`scroll up for a couple
10:48:30scorche`but i am sure there are others
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11:31:15zenon-textual conference? weird.. sounds like a mess :p
11:31:37markunze: only up to 30 people ;)
11:33:58markundamn, my memory is so bad...
11:34:03markunand it was still on the screen :)
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11:46:13SiltaarHum, is anyone knowing the secret of the non-declared sudoku functions ?
11:46:47SiltaarI mean, I didn't find yet where the sudoku.c functions were declared
11:46:57Siltaarit is not in sudoku.h
11:47:06Siltaarnot in sudoku.c
11:47:21Siltaarnot in renerator.h
11:47:23markunwhich function?
11:47:43Siltaarbut if I create a function, I got an implicit declaration warning
11:47:52Siltaarint sudoku_edit_menu(struct sudoku_state_t* state)
11:47:54Siltaarfor instance
11:48:33markunI think that if you don't declare them the order of the functions is important
11:48:52markunif you use a function in a line before the actual function you will get this message
11:50:15Siltaarbut, I still have : sudoku.c:1017: warning: implicit declaration of function 'talk_line'
11:50:34markunand where did you put talk_line?
11:50:47markunbefore 1017?
11:52:03Siltaarsorry, I miss orderd my definition of function...
11:52:29Siltaarindeed, I was declaring my function before that line...
11:52:51SiltaarI was NOT delcaring...
11:53:04Siltaarthanks ^_^
11:53:36markunno problem
11:55:20SiltaarSudoku is talking here in France
11:56:07Siltaar(buts its not yet ready for commit)
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12:34:38Nico_Plinuxstb: I'm working on adapting your BMP tar patch to the new WPS code
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12:52:13GodEateror anyone else with forum admin priviledges ?
12:52:25GodEater <−− needs attention
12:52:35matt____i tried download icons, but the link won't work. why? click on IconSets
12:53:48GodEatermatt____: try this :
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12:55:45matt____GodEater: , thanks, it works
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13:41:25Nico_Plinuxstb: I got it to work. and I got rid of the bitmap order limitation
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13:58:05linuxstbNico_P: (when you return from class) Does your patch read the bmp files from the tar in order, or does it search within the tar for each bitmap?
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15:06:02JdGordondaurnimator: usb a or b to connect ot the ocmp?
15:06:17daurnimatorone at bottom
15:06:26JdGordonnext to the ac?
15:06:42daurnimator - surely thats the only one that your cable fits into anyway :P
15:07:07JdGordonyeah, it is
15:07:10JdGordonbut its not connecting
15:07:38daurnimatoris it turned on?
15:08:22daurnimatordoes it say "you have plugged in USB"?
15:08:28daurnimator(or a varient)
15:08:41JdGordondmesg says buffered i/o error :(
15:10:05daurnimatorit should work...
15:10:37JdGordonill try on another comp
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15:35:42livingtmIs the website broken? I keep getting dead links with an ipaddress in the url.. if i replace the ip address with "", it seems to work
15:37:40Avewhy use ip address?
15:37:46Avecould break virtual hosting
15:40:09petursite works fine here - maybe clear your cache?
15:40:26linuxstblivingtm: Or maybe you have local DNS problems...
15:40:41livingtmlinuxstb, could be...
15:41:06Zagorlivingtm: is not the only site on that ip address
15:41:23Zagorso unless you use the name, the web server doesn't know what site to serve you
15:41:25livingtmlinuxstb, its been like that for the almost 24 hours i've been trying to use it
15:41:55livingtmZagor, im not entering the ip manuially... when i click on some of the links form th emain page that point to the wiki, i get an ip address in the url
15:42:10linuxstblivingtm: I read your question in the IRC logs about Rockbox rebooting into disk mode when you insert an AC charger - I think the problem is that you're using a very old unofficial version of Rockbox (jbuild). That bug was fixed months ago in the official version of Rockbox.
15:42:23Zagorcan you give me an example?
15:42:44livingtmZagor, from the main page, click on extras, then iconsets
15:43:16livingtm"Copy link location: from the context menu in my browser gives me that url
15:43:28Zagorlivingtm: indeed. very weird.
15:43:34livingtmok so its not just me :-)
15:44:10livingtmWhere can a find a custom build that will do album art, and is reasonably recent?
15:44:18livingtmfor the ipod 5g
15:44:39livingtmor am i better off building myself and applying patches
15:45:34linuxstblivingtm: Ideally it's better to patch and build yourself. But the "Unoffiical Builds" forum may contain up to date builds with the patches you want to use.
15:45:53livingtmlinuxstb, thanks!
15:46:10linuxstbI mean "Unsupported Builds" forum...
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15:49:08Zagorlivingtm: have you seen any other pages like that?
15:49:41livingtmZagor, most of the ones that poited to the wiki
15:49:47livingtmfonts i think
15:49:49olle_it seems very weird to me... cos isnt the purpose of DNS just to redirect to an IP adress?
15:50:09livingtmolle its more than that with multiple virtual hosts on an apache server
15:50:14Zagorlivingtm: no, that was because the RockboxExtras page was bad. I fixed it now, but can't find any other pages.
15:50:28livingtmwell, the apache needs to know what domain name the link was pointing to
15:50:47livingtmZagor, ill let you know if i run across any others.
15:51:07olle_really? isnt most sites configured so the IP adress is totally ok to enter as url?
15:51:14Zagorolle_: no
15:51:24Zagorthat would require one IP per site
15:51:28*amiconn thinks it's better to not rely on http 1.1 virtual hosting and assign one ip per web site
15:51:45Zagorsome servers hosts thousands of sites on one ip address
15:52:05olle_i will find an example of a website that accepts IP instead of domain name
15:52:05livingtmit looks like all of the jbuilds in the forums are old?
15:52:14Zagoramiconn: what world do you live in where you can sprinkle ip addresses like that?
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15:52:45Zagorolle_: that's not very uncommon, so you don't need to "prove it"
15:53:10livingtmI have 4 sites hosted on my server. if you use the IP address, you get a "default" site
15:53:25amiconnWell, it depends on how many websites to host. A few dozen ip addresses shouldn't be a big problem
15:53:52markunlivingtm: same here, but only 2 sites
15:54:19Zagoramiconn: then you are spoiled. in sweden companies have to fight to get 32 ip addresses
15:54:23livingtmI am loving rockbox guys.. just installed it for the first time last night.. great great work.
15:54:39linuxstbZagor: Out of curiousity, what was the problem? Why did it seem to only affect that one wiki page?
15:54:52amiconnWe do that at work...
15:55:35Zagorlinuxstb: the cause was a bad <base href> statement in the cached copy of the page, that pointed to that ip address instead of the name. how that happened I don't know yet.
15:55:56linuxstbSo you just refreshed the page?
15:55:57Zagorthe ip is not ours, but a web crawler (I think) at yahoo
15:56:33amiconnYou need one ip per website for ssl anyway
15:56:41livingtmI am so amazed that the hardware could be reverse engineered like that
15:57:15Zagoramiconn: no you don't
15:57:20markunlivingtm: which device do you have?
15:57:28livingtmmarkun, 5G
15:57:49olle_livingtm: i am waiting desperately...
15:57:58markunlivingtm: most of the reverse engineeing for the ipods was done by the ipod linux people I think
15:58:04markunlinuxstb: or not?
15:58:13olle_have iriver E10, pretty simialr internals as popular iriver U10, but nope no rockbox
15:58:37livingtmmarkun, its funny because i worked for a company that built machines for the ipod assembly line.. I had main boards for nanos 6 months before they came out... and all i could think abou when i had them was "I wish I could reverse engineer these"
15:58:52amiconnZagor: ssl cannot be combined with http/1.1 host: headers
15:58:54markunolle_: probably similar as the nano 2nd gen as well then
15:59:24markunlivingtm: the new nanos?
15:59:34olle_maybe i could help porting some way? but i dont know a lot of asm / C
15:59:39markunbecause they still need reverse engeneering..
15:59:40amiconnThe only way to fit multiple ssl enabled websites onto one ip is to use non-standard ports, but then many users will get into trouble with their corporate firewalls not allowing these ports
15:59:43livingtmmarkun, the first nanos.. the ones that look like the 30g, but smaller
15:59:53markunolle_: help is always welcome
16:01:43linuxstbmarkun: Most of it, yes, although we've carried on from where they left off - there doesn't seem to have been any low-level hacking in the IPL project for over a year.
16:02:16livingtmthe 30gs are all running multimedia chips from broadcom if i remember correctly
16:02:27Zagoramiconn: I'm not sure what you're arguing about. the simple fact is that most people don't have buckets of IP address to thrown on their sites. and virtual hosting is a very mature technology that is used and works everywhere.
16:02:58amiconnIt doesn't work with http/1.0 clients, or when there are dns problems
16:03:25amiconnI know that virtual hosting is widely used, just I don't like it and rather put only one website per ip
16:03:48Zagorcorrect. and HTML 4 doesn't work on HTML3-only browsers. how many http 1.0-only browsers do you normally see visiting your sites?
16:04:35livingtmit is a pain to cross compile my own binary?
16:04:46amiconnBrowsers always support http/1.1 nowadays. But there are other http clients than just browsers
16:05:05linuxstblivingtm: What OS are you running on your PC?
16:05:39Zagor...which mostly use libcurl with supports http 1.1 too. standards evolve. that's a GOOD thing.
16:05:49linuxstblivingtm: Then it's straightforward - download the source code (via SVN is easiest), run the tools/ script to install the required cross-compilers, then compile. There are lots of instructions in the wiki.
16:05:57amiconnNot that it matters much, but I rather want to have one potential problem out of the equation
16:06:34livingtmlinuxstb, if i apply the same patches as jbuild, i should get all of his themes to work, but with recent firmware, right?
16:06:53amiconnBesides, with ssl I have no choice
16:07:04linuxstblivingtm: In theory - but if his patches are against an old version of Rockbox, you may have some work to do to apply them to current Rockbox.
16:07:21livingtmoooooh yeah
16:07:57linuxstblivingtm: But it's possible that someone else has updated them - the relevant tasks on the patch tracker should have the latest available versions of any patch.
16:08:20livingtmthe album art isnt in the main code yet?
16:08:50linuxstbNo - it's not implemented in a nice enough way.
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16:20:55H10_007quickbarrywardell: the scrollpad for the H10 right now works by waiting 50 miliseconds then reading right?
16:21:35H10_007quickand it reads values of 0 to 350 right?
16:22:10barrywardellit reads values of 0x0-0x3ff
16:23:10H10_007quicki'm working on improving it
16:23:15H10_007quickhave some ideas
16:23:29H10_007quickoh 1 more thing, how often does the pad update?
16:23:49H10_007quicklike how often does the value change if you move up the pad or down?
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16:26:52H10_007quickbarrywardell: ?
16:29:49barrywardellthat's what we don't know
16:30:08barrywardellactually, it's 50 micro seconds
16:30:22barrywardellbut that was just arrived at through trial and error
16:30:40H10_007quickI'm tryiing to take an avarage of two readings
16:30:51livingtmDo i have to log into the forums to get an experimental build?
16:31:08H10_007quickshould help smooth things out
16:31:15H10_007quicklivingtm: NO
16:31:38livingtm Theres a link on here for experimental builds used to get the black glass them eworking..
16:31:46livingtmwhen i click on it it asks ms to log in
16:32:07barrywardellH10_007quick: there is a task in the tracker that describes a smoothing algorithm that's worth trying
16:32:20H10_007quicki know
16:32:33H10_007quickbut it only changes the way the button reads
16:32:38peturH10_007quick: I think you need to log in to see attachments
16:32:51H10_007quickdoesn't smooth the actual readings
16:33:04barrywardellno, there's a different patch
16:33:41H10_007quicklivingtm: the build was deleted, thats why you can't get to it
16:34:13barrywardellthat's the one I'm talking about
16:35:27H10_007quickthere is no actual patch there
16:35:31H10_007quickjust take
16:36:06livingtma 30GB ipog 5gen is a 32MB?
16:36:29barrywardellno, no patch
16:36:46barrywardellbut a pretty good description of an algorithm to use
16:37:16H10_007quickcan you tell me what I did wrong there because the compiler doesn't like it
16:37:40H10_007quickI'm just trying to read to data1 50 micro seconds after reading to data and then take the avarage
16:37:53H10_007quicki'm getting compiling errors
16:38:58barrywardellwhat errors?
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16:39:19livingtmDoes the album art patch use the itunes DB album art?
16:39:43linuxstblivingtm: No. See here -
16:40:10H10_007quickthat has the errors
16:40:22H10_007quickbut some seem really weird
16:40:45H10_007quicklike the whole function, says that the last } is off
16:41:12barrywardellyou're missing a semi-colon at the end of line 10
16:41:59H10_007quickit works
16:42:02livingtmlinuxstb, Cool. Does Amarok handle that?
16:42:08H10_007quicklol That was stupid
16:42:23livingtmlinuxstb, I mean put the cover art in the right place.. i know it can obtain the album art
16:42:25H10_007quicktime to give it a try
16:45:37H10_007quick0x2 does that equal 2 in C ?
16:45:44H10_007quickor could I just use 2 ?
16:46:42DomonokyH10_007quick: thats hexadezimal.. but hex 02 equals 2
16:46:53H10_007quickoh I see
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16:48:51olle_t tried to figure uto what the difference would be, thought it would make me stupid to ask
16:49:10Domonokyyou could also write 0b10 :-) equals also 2 :-)
16:49:27olle_is 0o02 valid? :P
16:49:57Domonokyi dont know the code for octal, but it could be o .. :-)
16:50:14dionoeaoctal is a leading 0
16:50:27olle_ok how boring of them
16:50:27intgr"02" is octal 2
16:50:33olle_i c
16:50:45intgrAnd C doesn't have binary number literals.
16:51:22linuxstblivingtm: I don't use Album Art (or Amarok), so I don't kow.
16:51:46livingtmlinuxstb, im trying it right now.. i have to start moving my media out of the itunes format though
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17:14:20markunhi toffe82
17:14:39markuna shame we didn't find any of those foxconn conenctors
17:14:45toffe82problem with virus this mornig :)
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17:15:03markunwhat virus?
17:15:20markunnot that I know of
17:15:45toffe82I have problem :)
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17:16:59toffe82I don't have any news from the guys who tried to get some connector on the gigabeat forum
17:17:53linuxstbmarkun, toffe82: I was reading the WMA page at wikipedia yesterday and it said the Gigabeat S is the first DAP to only play WMA. Does that mean it converts everything you try and transfer?
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17:18:36toffe82good question, I transfer mp3 files and I didn't look what was on the player
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17:19:12markunlinuxstb: but don't you know that wma sounds better than mp3? so just convert it and you have better quality! ;)
17:19:32linuxstbHere's the article -
17:20:21toffe82I am looking now, wait
17:20:57linuxstbmarkun: Yes, I'm sure that after the summer we'll all be converting...
17:20:59markunlinuxstb: according to the press release it also supports MP3:
17:21:02toffe82it still says mp3 files
17:21:30markunmaybe it is the first to support WMA lossless?
17:22:23linuxstbmarkun: I see the word MP3, but don't understand the rest of the page...
17:22:36toffe82I copy and paste from the player and it is mp3
17:23:01linuxstbSo another piece of high-quality research from wikipedia...
17:23:04markunlinuxstb: use your imagination of :)
17:23:14H10_007quickhow do I test to see if a variable is above 10 ? (data > 0x10) ?
17:23:31linuxstbH10_007quick: decimal 10 or hex 10?
17:23:42markunlinuxstb: maybe you can track down who did it and ask for clarification
17:23:52H10_007quickhex 10
17:24:13linuxstbH10_007quick: Then yes.
17:24:13H10_007quickI think that that is right
17:24:33linuxstbmarkun: wikipedia needs a "blame" function...
17:24:44H10_007quickhow then to test if it is lower than -10? (data<-0x10) ?
17:25:13linuxstbmarkun: Guess I'll just check your friend's comments...
17:25:24H10_007quickwas that yes to me?
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17:27:42linuxstbmarkun: Here's the change - - does that mean it was anonymous?
17:28:20markunI guess so
17:28:29markuncan you just click the 'undo' button?
17:28:58markunit's completely useless
17:29:00markun"The device supports most WMA formats including Variable Bit Rate (VBR)"
17:29:05markunwow, vbr! :)
17:29:09amiconn <= Funny automatic translation english, but maybe it helps...
17:30:18markunanyway, have a nice day guys
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17:33:18Siltaarhum, is there anyway to produce a single beep in rockbox playback ?
17:33:56Siltaarsuch as talk_id(HYPOTETIC_BEEP_IDc false)
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17:35:14lowlightI think there's a beep funcion
17:36:54Siltaarok, I try this
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17:40:08linuxstbtoffe82: So the S doesn't encrypt your songs like the F does?
17:41:19toffe82but I think you need to trasnfer them with wmp so it can be seen by the player
17:42:00toffe82I have to check it but my battery went flat
17:42:26Siltaarlowlight, void pcmbuf_beep(unsigned int frequency, size_t duration, int amplitude);
17:42:30Siltaarlowlight, is :
17:42:40Siltaarrb->pcm_beep(440, 2, 50);
17:42:45Siltaarlook good to you ?
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17:51:20lowlightSiltaar: I have no idea...but I'm guessing duration is probably is milliseconds and 2 ms is pretty short
17:55:11toffe82linuxstb: for the translation, I use the foxlingo extension for firefox, when you are on a page you just right click and select what engine you want to use to tranlsate so if a translation is not good just try another engine :)
17:59:10jhMikeSNico_P: you rang? (logs)
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18:01:04lowlighthmmm...for $100 the Meizu M6 4gb is tempting...if it wasn't for that Samsung chip in it :-/
18:01:48SiltaarAnd, how having access to the ID for talk id, I guess it's a file to include, but... which one ?
18:04:08Siltaarok, it's lang.h
18:08:22Siltaarbut make[3]: *** No rule to make target `/home/nfs/simon.descarpentries/rockbox/build-iPod_Video/apps/plugins/sudoku/lang.o'
18:08:44H10_007quickhow would I test if a value is between -30 and 30 ?
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18:09:20olle_lang.h : lang.c [newline] [spaces] gcc -o lang.o lang.c
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18:10:41Siltaarolle_, thx
18:10:49olle_oh sorry Siltaar, my instruction isnt really reliable
18:11:04olle_what , it helped? wow :D
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18:14:02Nico_PjhMikeS: yes, it was about the playback engine but I don't remember what I wanted to ask :p
18:14:02olle_Siltaar you there?
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18:19:58Nico_Plinuxstb: my patch reads the bitmaps from the tar in order
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18:44:50*Nico_P doesn't get it... the tar loading works fine from the browse themes menu but not at startup :\
18:45:04Nico_Pan that's on target... on the sim everything is fine
18:46:16jhMikeSNico_P: ok then :)
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18:46:44Nico_PjhMikeS: I'll probably remember but right now I'm focused on the tarred bitmaps
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19:41:23Nico_Pcould someone test the BMP tar patch for me ?
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19:49:40AceNik___hey guys i wanted to ask , why have the wps's & themes stopped working , cause they make my h10 hang , the cabbie theme i made works wel, but others like blackglass, or boselglass dont work , have there been code changes?
19:52:44Nico_PAceNik___: you get the default WPS instead ?
19:53:20AceNik___ya ?
19:53:44Nico_Pcrash or default WPS ?
19:53:51Nico_Panyway yes there have been some changes
19:53:55Nico_Pthe WPS parser is stricter now
19:54:09AceNik___well on some themes there is a crash & on some there is a default wps
19:54:34Nico_Pwhen did you last update your build ?
19:54:59AceNik___so can i recode them , cause i made the cabbie theme , n it works well , i cant understand , why others dont , do i need to look into it n modify anythin
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19:56:03Nico_PAceNik___: the album art tags can be the problem on non album art builds
19:56:11austriancoderhow can i add a file to the wiki?
19:56:56Nico_PAceNik___: generally speaking, you can use the sim to find the problem
19:57:33AceNik___i might have updated like build some 4 days ago
19:57:37Nico_Pand if one of your WPSs crashes your player with a very recent build, I want to see it
19:57:43AceNik___but i just checked to change a theme
19:58:46Nico_P4 days should be alright... I think I haven't made any changes since
19:59:18AceNik___well how can i help, there is nothin you can see visibily , the player says loading at the [ress of the pause button but , hangs , the wps to note this example would be the blacklgass, or the zenpods
19:59:44Nico_PI can get them on rockbox-themes for H10 ?
20:00:15jhMikeSToni1: yep
20:00:30Nico_PAceNik___: 5 GB or 20 GB ?
20:00:32jhMikeSrrr....he left
20:01:50AceNik___well yes i thought s myself that the album art code in the themes could cause this problem , but does this mean , we remake all the themes to remove the %c tag of the album art , n it might be a problem since the %c is specifically used now for the RTC
20:04:40Nico_Pit's rather the | in the AA tag format that's a problem
20:04:50AceNik___ Nico_P:is displaying the peakmeters on the wps's for the portal player targets still a problem , like i was thinkin of making them horizontal like an equaliser like winamp
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20:05:17AceNik___Nico_P: how is that wat does the | make the player think?
20:05:21n1sAceNik___: they are quite slow, which can make the cpu choke
20:05:51Nico_Pit's supposed to be a conditional delimiter
20:06:31AceNik___n1s:so is there any possiblity that , we can do somethin like boosting or somethin to make it work as a screensaver or something of that sort
20:07:15AceNik___ Nico_P:do you think, having so many good themes , & causing such a problem , & making authors edit is goin to work well , what are we acheiving here
20:08:39Nico_Pthey'll wrk fine on album art builds
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20:08:49Nico_Punless there's another problem
20:08:50n1sAceNik___: i think they work ok, jus tthat depending on codec and bitrate, the ui may become pretty unresponsive, and the cpu will probably boost most of the time so optimization is probably the only way to go
20:10:07AceNik___ n1s:till now how much of the cpu is being used on portal player targets, like is there any spare resources
20:10:55n1sAceNik___: that depends on codec, bitrate, enabled dsp effects, so maybe
20:11:24AceNik___Nico_P: ill be ready to give it a try after a lil while though ,wat else is to be expected of the wps coding now , i saw this real nice , patch n believe its rockbox's target too , to make themes work out of a .tar file
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20:12:22Nico_Pyes I'd like to finish what linuxstb started on loading bitmaps from a tar file. Also I'm going to make album art right this summer
20:13:40AceNik___yup i believe , that would be a could thing to do , but , could you explain these things to me ind eatil whenever u have time perhaps later , if you wish to ?
20:14:00*n1s wonders what will be the next big patch for the custom builds after aa gets done and viewports are implemented in wps...
20:14:36Nico_PAceNik___: what do you want me to explain ?
20:14:39AceNik___ n1s wat would vieports be doin ?
20:14:43amiconnSomething even more weird that aa, I'd expect :\
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20:15:31AceNik___Nico_P:just how the wps parser works & how the buffer handles stuff with the wps
20:15:32Nico_PAceNik___: also I just tried zenpod and blackglassAA50 from neither hung
20:15:32n1sAceNik___: allow for mor flexible placing of wps elements mostly
20:16:07n1sAceNik___: also it will make scroll margins and the like possible
20:16:13amiconnviewports don't even aim at the wps primarily
20:16:49amiconnThey're useful in a whole lot more places, like status bar, button bar, quickscreen (if we want to keep that)...
20:17:30n1samiconn: I know, but I believe that these things will be implemented using viewports
20:18:41amiconnAA has 2 prerequisites: viewports and MoB
20:20:11Nico_Pamiconn: AA doesn't really depend on viewports... the gigabeat for example has enough screen height to display AA and a few lines
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20:20:59amiconnRockbox is multiplatform....
20:21:44Nico_Pof course but what I mean is that there is no real dependency between the two
20:23:39amiconnWell, there is no use adding it if it can't be used for real on the majority of targets it should work on
20:23:48amiconn(everything 2bpp and higher)
20:24:24amiconnBut it's probably a moot point, as I hope/think that viewports will be available before MoB
20:24:41Nico_PI hope so too :)
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20:25:13Nico_Panyway it's possible to add non scrolling info next to the AA bitmap and the scrolling info underneath
20:25:36Nico_Pthere are some WPS that use AA without scrolling margins
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20:30:32amiconnReminds me of the nasty no-scroll bug in the menu...
20:31:30lowlightwould it be possible to read the aa bmp directly into the wps backdrop buffer? (to avoid using a separate buffer)
20:31:53amiconnno, this can't work
20:32:14Nico_Pamiconn: there's a similar scrolling bug in the WPS :
20:32:21Nico_Pamiconn: why can't it work ?
20:32:44amiconnThere can be more than one aa bitmap for the set of buffered tracks, and we surely don't want to spin up the disk on each track change
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20:33:31linuxstb_lowlight:Also, you still need a buffer to store the "no album art" image.
20:33:53linuxstb_But I guess you still need that anyway...
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20:34:20Nico_Plinuxstb_: have you seen my patch and my answers ?
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20:34:31lowlightthat would be a separate file
20:34:40linuxstb_Nico_P: I saw your answer, but haven't looked at the patch in detail.
20:35:14linuxstb_Is it still crashing on target?
20:35:59Nico_Pit's mostly the same as yours. the most interesting part for you would be around line 345 of the patch
20:36:14Nico_Pno, it wasn't crashing and it was a silly problem
20:36:16amiconnThat's why aa pretty much needs MoB - everything else would waste ram
20:36:36Nico_PI thought file descriptors were strictly positive and on target I had a 0 fd
20:36:38amiconnAnd MoB will reduce ram waste even without aa
20:36:55linuxstb_Nico:_P: Ah, OK. So it's working fine now?
20:36:55amiconnNico_P: File descriptors are >= 0, that's common
20:37:11Nico_Plinuxstb_: yes, all good :)
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20:37:23Nico_Pamiconn: there are some very common things I don't know
20:37:28Nico_Pstill learning :)
20:37:58amiconnJust on PC you seldom get 0
20:38:14amiconn...because usually there's always an open file here or there in the system
20:38:18linuxstb_Nico_P: How does the speed seem to you? I did notice a big speedup with my patch, but would still like wps loading to be faster...
20:39:08Nico_Plinuxstb_: I'm not really sure about the speedip. but on gigabeat regular loading was already fast. I'd need someone to test on something a bit slower
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20:39:39*amiconn stays away from all bitmapped wps'es because of the pathetic loading
20:39:50Acksawhey guys, what version bootloader is the h300 build on now
20:41:30Nico_Plinuxstb_: do you think you could test ?
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20:41:40pixelman1s: got a question wrt the langv2 patch... recently there was a title string for the playlist menu added - but there's also a generic string that reads "playlist" only - do we need both or could the menu just reuse "playlist" too?
20:41:47n1sAcksaw: the latest h300 bootloader is v5
20:41:51Nico_Por maybe amiconn... maybe you'll find it a bit less slow
20:41:56AcksawI'm still running the right one :)
20:42:15linuxstb_Nico_P: I will do, but can't for a couple of hours. Is it on flyspray?
20:42:16amiconnNico_P: In svn, wps bitmap loading takes ages...
20:42:56Nico_Plinuxstb_: yes it is
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20:43:13n1spixelma: If the strings are idetical or similar enough I'd say use the same one, people here need to start looking for strings that are already present before adding new ones...
20:43:20Nico_Pamiconn: so maybe you'll see the difference with tar bitmaps
20:43:22amiconnIf you get icatcher to load under 2 seconds then I might reconsider using bitmaps...
20:43:38amiconnWith svn it's more like 20 seconds...
20:43:47Nico_Pamiconn: on what player ?
20:43:47AceNik___Nico: wat if there is a theme with out any album art tags loading the default wps
20:44:12Nico_PAceNik___: there are a lot of possible errors... the sim can help
20:44:14pixelman1s: it is "Playlist menu" vs. "Playlist"
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20:44:52AceNik___so does the simulator have a wps debug , iguess i read somewhr how i can u ise it to assist you now
20:45:01AceNik___ill just make a simulator for my build now
20:45:06AceNik___& test the wps
20:45:08Nico_Pamiconn: on my gigabeat iCatcher takes a bit more than 3 seconds with tars
20:46:05Nico_Pbut other themes don't take much longer so it's hard to tell of there's an improvement
20:46:09linuxstb_amiconn: On my ipod color, total boot time (power-off to root menu) is about 8 seconds, including loading icatcher.
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20:46:31AceNik___Nico_P: is there a way to debug wps , tell me how then ill make the sim n test the themes
20:47:19Nico_PAceNik___: there is the −−debugwps command line option. but even without this when a WPS fails to load a message will be displayed to tell you what line is faulty and give you an indication of the problem
20:47:22amiconnSeems I missed something... loading icatcher became a whole lot faster than when I tried it last time...
20:47:36amiconnEven on archos recorder it now takes 3..4 seconds
20:47:48Nico_Pamiconn: when did you last try ?
20:48:06*amiconn wonders whether this has to do with the tokeinzer
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20:48:14amiconnDunno, sometime last year
20:48:23AceNik___Nico_P: k can you tell me after giving the make command for making a simulator , wats next, like to make a sim working , is it make zip or wat
20:48:44amiconnI surely won't try such an unimportant feature every day just to see whether it becomes usable
20:48:47Nico_Pamiconn: this could well be thanks to the tokenizer :)
20:49:26linuxstb_Nico_P: 3 seconds? On my ipod loading icatcher seems to take around 1 second (if the disk is spinning). That's SVN.
20:49:43lowlightAceNik___: make install
20:49:53amiconnStill, loading my own wps takes like 0.1 sec
20:50:03AceNik___k thanks
20:50:09amiconn...and faster is better :P
20:50:43amiconnlinuxstb: I get around 3 seconds here almost independent of target. Maybe it depends on fragmentation on a hdd target
20:50:46Nico_Plinuxstb_: in my 3 secs there is the time to get the disc spinning. how do you get it to be spinning ?
20:50:54n1spixelma: I don't know where that string is used so you'll have to decide yourself :-)
20:51:03linuxstb_Nico_P: Just load themes quickly one after the other.
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20:51:35pixelman1s: that's in the title line of the playlist submenu...
20:51:52linuxstb_amiconn: And that's with the disk spinning?
20:51:55amiconnNico_P: If you enter 'browse wps files', the disk will spinup to show the contents (unless you have dircache enabled, which I usually don't have, and even can't on half of my targets
20:52:02amiconnlinuxstb: sure
20:52:19Nico_PI always enable diskcache
20:52:24amiconnIt's also ~3 seconds on Ondio even though there is no spinup or seek delay
20:52:53amiconnI have dircache enabled on my H180 for a while now. I must say that I still don't really like it
20:53:28amiconnIt's disabled on my 3 other targets which have it
20:53:42H10_007quickfor "if else" in C do you do it like this? if (c=1) { Do This } else (c=2) { Do This } etc ?
20:53:46n1spixelma: umm, ok it says only "Playlist" in the title here... maybe I've done something strange, but go with juds t "Playlist" if you feel it works :-)
20:54:36*amiconn finds dircache irritating
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20:55:15badsheepywhy dont you like it?
20:55:26lowlightnow that there are custom icons shouldn't a custom statusbar be possible using wps syntax and the parser
20:56:17amiconnn1s: See? People *will* come up with enough weird ideas... ;\
20:56:20pixelman1s: hmm.. same here, that's just what I thought it was from the description....
20:56:43n1samiconn: hah :-)
20:57:36n1spixelma: are you sure that it's in the latest svn english.lang and not some leftover that has been included in the patch?
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21:01:37linuxstb_H10_007quick: No, that won't work. I would suggest just browsing the Rockbox source to see lots of example of C. You need another "if" immediately after the else - "... } else if (c==2) { ..."
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21:05:42pixelman1s: aha.. grep finds it in onplay.c and playlist_viewer.c (LANG_PLAYLIST_MENU but the string is "Playlist"...)
21:05:51pixelma^current svn that is
21:06:22pixelmabut in the patch the string was "Playlist menu"
21:06:42n1shaha, wonderfully confusing :-)
21:07:22pixelmabut now I'm convinced that I can get rid of it :)
21:07:41amiconnSlasheri: around?
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21:09:52AceNik___Nico_P:i made the simulator ,it just loads the theme , but it shows the default wps over my backdrop, no element of the wps with the theme is visible
21:10:12AceNik___how can i debug via comman line & know whats wrong
21:10:28Nico_PAceNik___: that's normal because the WPS has failed to load. the console should show a message saying the parsing has failed and at what line
21:11:23Nico_PAceNik___: how do you launch the sim ?
21:12:12AceNik___well i have the sdl file & the background exe that comes with the rockbox sim
21:12:24AceNik___well it says parsing failed at line line , unclosed conditional
21:12:50AceNik___%s%ac%t3%?it <%it|%fn> - %?ia <%ia|%fn>;%ac%?id <%id|%d1>, wats wrong with this line plz
21:13:05Nico_Pactually it's not an exe, it's a batch file. you can open it in the notepad and add −−debugwps to the line
21:14:42Nico_Pmaybe the spaces before the '<' chars, but I'm not sure. unclosed conditional should mean there is a '>' missing before an end of line or end of subline
21:15:02AceNik___rockboxui.exe −−background
21:15:02AceNik___−−debugwps is this rite
21:15:16Nico_Prockboxui.exe −−background −−debugwps
21:15:29Nico_Pyou'll get a bunch of additional info
21:17:55AceNik___well it was the spaces got it working now
21:18:05AceNik___thanks a lot nico
21:18:49Nico_Pyou're welcome ;)
21:19:10AceNik___well ill be heading off now, c ya
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21:23:15Slasheriamiconn: yes
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21:24:13Slasherihi amiconn
21:24:36amiconnSlasheri: Is there something special on regarding the sh toolchain?
21:25:06Slasheriamiconn: hmm, shouldn't be.. it still might be older gcc, i haven't had to to upgrade it yet
21:25:09amiconngcc is the recommended one, but seems to always build a little larger binaries than the other build servers (even
21:25:11linuxstb_Nico_P: Did you update the script as well?
21:25:20Slasheriah, interesting
21:25:32amiconnIt's not much, but it's strange... different binutils perhaps?
21:25:40Nico_Plinuxstb_: no I didn't. I did tha tars myself
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21:26:22Slasherish-elf-gcc (GCC) 4.0.3 (rockbox patch #1)
21:26:28Slasherinot sure about binutils version
21:26:42linuxstb_Nico_P: OK, I'm doing it now - the patch doesn't apply any more.
21:26:57bluebrotherarm-elf-as −−version ;-)
21:27:07amiconnsh-elf-as ....
21:27:21SlasheriGNU assembler 2.16.1
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21:27:50Nico_Plinuxstb_: it would be good to also add the backdrop and progressbar bitmaps to the tar in order to completely get rid of the dir
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21:31:11H10_007quickwhat unit is udelay measured in by default?
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21:33:27linuxstb_H10_007quick: It's a microsecond timer - 1 milllion ticks per second.
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21:34:09H10_007quickthank you
21:34:30Slasheriit means µdelay
21:34:50*linuxstb_ reads ?delay
21:35:37Slasherithat should be the micro (lowercase mu sign), but probably does not work in all charsets
21:35:56H10_007quickoh i see
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21:42:05pixelmaH10_007quick: were you the one that added the h10_5gb strings (or found out it needs to be done to work correctly) - I just wonder why it is necessary because it's the same keymap after all (?)
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21:42:17pixelmain the language file I mean
21:42:44H10_007quickya the problem is that it uses a different vairable than the h10
21:43:09H10_007quickso when you apply something to h10 it does not apply to the h10_5gb
21:43:32H10_007quickso us with the 5gb version were getting all the default messages
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21:45:08pixelmahmm... I see. Thanks.
21:45:40pixelmabut then I wonder why it uses a different variable...
21:45:58linuxstb_Nico_P: How did you create your tar files? Did you include the directory name in the paths?
21:46:13linuxstb_Nico_P: Your patch fails to load any bmp files for me...
21:46:30Nico_Pno, I did it all from the bitmap dir
21:47:12H10_007quickbecause it ahs a different screen size and there fore has a different variable for the configure file which is the varialbes that the .lang files use
21:48:00linuxstb_Nico_P: Ignore me...
21:48:30pixelmaH10_007quick: ah... ok
21:48:44Nico_Plinuxstb_: so it works ?
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21:51:10linuxstb_Nico_P: Yes, it seems to be working fine.
21:51:38Nico_Pany speed difference compared to SVN ?
21:52:05linuxstb_Not really... I have a version of icatcher installed with and without .tar, and they both seem to load in the same time...
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21:55:06Nico_Phmm do we still want to add this if it doesn't improve the loading times ?
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21:56:45H10_007quickanyone here with an H10?
21:57:03*Arathis has an H10/20gb
21:57:22H10_007quickwould you mind testing something for me?
21:57:38Arathismaybe :)
21:57:42LloreanNico_P: I missed most of the conversation. Does it just combine WPS+bitmaps+ %X backdrop?
21:57:43linuxstb_Nico_P: I think it needs others to test. I've just uploaded a synced version of my patch.
21:58:09H10_007quickArathis: just whether or not i've improved on the scroll bar or not
21:58:40ArathisH10_007quick: can you provide a build? i don't have time to build one myself atm
21:58:48Nico_Pputting the WPS file in the tar could be nice... we would have the whole thing in one file
21:59:41linuxstb_Nico_P: That would require the .wps to be first in the tar file though (or we search for it)
22:00:00linuxstb_I'm happy with the .wps being separate.
22:00:03LloreanAlright, I see.
22:00:16LloreanMainly I was just making sure it wasn't an idea to try to create theme files. :)
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22:00:22Nico_Pis searching for a particular file very slow ?
22:00:40linuxstb_There's no index, so you have to scan each file in the tar in turn.
22:01:01NanoThemesHow do you install themes on the Rockbox interface? I'm trying to install chanel and I loaded the WPS but....
22:01:24H10_007quickNanoThemes: go to theme not wps
22:01:31ArathisH10_007quick: I'm watching tv so it could take some time to give a reply if you don't mind
22:01:49H10_007quickI'm just looking to see if the scrolling is better
22:02:07Nico_Plinuxstb_: ok, maybe it's not worth it
22:02:12NanoThemesnot appearing in the themes folder >.>
22:02:17pixelmaNico_P: does it deal with the wps/rwps of the same theme correctly?
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22:02:49Nico_Ppixelma: haven't tried, but as long as all the required bitmaps are in the tar, probablyh
22:03:04ArathisH10_007quick: any specific things to look for at how scrolling should work now?
22:03:09Nico_PLlorean: do you have ideas on tar themes ?
22:03:17H10_007quickjust improvement
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22:04:23Nico_Ppixelma: the tar is just a replacement for the directory. it works the same so I think it should work fine
22:04:41NanoThemes*plugs in Nano* Does it need to be a CFG files?
22:06:49NanoThemesI'm adding the .CFG files now =D maybe it'll work. BTW can Rockbox play .gvp files? (.gvp = Google Video Player)
22:06:59H10_007quickNanoThemes: when you download the wps there should be a file that goes into the theme folder which will be a .cfg file. click on this file and it will load everything
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22:07:15LloreanNico_P: Actually, I'm against tar themes. Tar WPSes I'm fine with, or tar bitmaps, but I like my themes to be mix and matchable for backdrop, iconset, and wps.
22:07:41NanoThemesHmm, well is there a way I can find to transcode it to Mpeg?
22:07:42Nico_PLlorean: good point
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22:08:11digerati1338Nano: yes
22:08:35digerati1338there are sites that should let you save google videos as mpeg files
22:08:53digerati1338run a google search for "download google videos" or something like that.
22:09:46NanoThemesOr '.gvp to .mpeg'?
22:10:35NanoThemesHow do you do the 'Open with Mpegplayer' on the nano?
22:10:44NanoThemesor do you do that on the computer?
22:11:00badsheepyapparently they are mpeg4 with a funky header
22:11:34digerati1338some websites will actually transcode them for you and let you download the mpeg file.
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22:11:51NanoThemesAny idea on a website?
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22:13:28H10_007quickwhat is the difference between "static int" and just "int" ?
22:13:58ArathisH10_007quick: doesn't feel really improved to me. a bit jittery
22:14:26NanoThemesI'm sorta new to rockbox *Hunts for Transcode site*
22:14:30bluebrotherstatic makes a variable local to the scope of a file (if it's global)
22:14:30digerati1338the main difference is where they can be used
22:14:36linuxstb_H10_007quick: A "static int" is global to the whole .c file, and only that .c file (i.e. it isn't exported)
22:14:48bluebrotherso you can't access it from outside
22:14:52H10_007quickoh i see
22:14:59bluebrothersame applies for functions
22:15:14H10_007quickArathis: really?
22:15:20NanoThemesOkay I may have found something
22:15:21digerati1338as in public static void main(String[] args)
22:15:25digerati1338that's java tho
22:15:30NanoThemesDANG IT
22:15:37NanoThemesyou have to buy it
22:15:48ArathisH10_007quick: doesn't look much different to the current one
22:16:19TrueJournalsNanoThemes: Do you want to transcode video for use with rockbox?
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22:16:39NanoThemesI want to change a .gvp file to a mpeg file
22:16:45linuxstb_NanoThemes: Have you read the PluginMpegplayer wiki page?
22:16:53TrueJournalsgvp... hmm...
22:16:53H10_007quickTrueJournals: do you have a 5gb or 20gb h10?
22:16:56digerati1338nano: just look to the right of the video and select download for psp from the drop-down.
22:16:59TrueJournalsH10_007quick: I have a 20 GB
22:17:04digerati1338that will save an mp4 to your computer.
22:17:04H10_007quickcould you test somthing
22:17:14H10_007quickArathis: thankyou for testing
22:17:14TrueJournalsH10_007quick: Let me get my cable, then sure
22:18:05NanoThemesI have a 1 gb nano..... >.<
22:18:47TrueJournalsH10_007quick: OK, give me a second... this is your "improved scrolling", correct?
22:19:01H10_007quickTrueJournals: hopefully
22:19:12TrueJournalsDid you implement dragging from top to bottom yet?
22:19:22NanoThemesI plan on getting a better iPod later but for now RockBox owns (when one figures out how to use it...)
22:19:24H10_007quicknot yet
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22:19:37H10_007quickbut i thought that the overall feel was much better now
22:19:54TrueJournalslet me try it out...
22:19:55NanoThemesAnd I thought WPS was the thing that loaded it...
22:20:00NanoThemesThanks guys.
22:20:19NanoThemesnow all I need to do is test it when it's done.
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22:21:07NanoThemesI believe I might go into programming to help out rockbox, and make it easier to use.
22:21:27TrueJournalsSeeing kind of the same problem as Jonno12345 in the forums... if I press very lightly on the top or bottom, then sometimes it'll go up one, then down one really quick, or it'll go up one, then down two really quick, however, it seems to only be a problem on the EXTREME bottom... overall, seems a lot better
22:22:04NanoThemesI'm happy =D
22:22:18H10_007quickdid a lot of avaraging
22:22:28H10_007quicknow to get it to go up and down
22:22:39NanoThemesdang it
22:22:51NanoThemesI hate it when it says low batt when it isn't low batt
22:24:48NanoThemesnow it's taking forever
22:25:55NanoThemeshow do you get to the starting menu?
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22:27:56NanoThemesnever mind...
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22:28:53linuxstb_NanoThemes: I'm curious about your earlier statement - how would you change Rockbox to make it easier to use?
22:29:35H10_007quickTrueJournals: hmm, i have a 5gb version and I can't seem to reproduce your problem
22:30:03NanoThemesI wish they had givin nano movie capabilities in the first place... instead if making people buy the Ipod Video
22:31:00NanoThemesThe interface would look more like the Ipod face that you could change like current only it would be default
22:31:13NanoThemesI like the original Catagory system
22:31:24TrueJournalsHm, now it really doesn't seem to be happening...
22:31:48NanoThemeslike Music, Photos, Extras, Setting (Edit themes and other things)
22:31:50TrueJournalsDo you have a patch that I can add to my personal build so I can try it out over the next couple of days?
22:31:59NanoThemesand the Shuffle song
22:32:02H10_007quickI can make one
22:32:10TrueJournalsThat'd be great
22:32:16NanoThemesSettings you would be able to Change the theme
22:32:47linuxstb_NanoThemes: What's wrong with Rockbox's Settings -> Browse Themes option?
22:33:07NanoThemesNothing I would try and make it easier to figure out
22:33:24NanoThemesI was confused at first
22:33:29linuxstb_You couldn't find the Browse Themes option?
22:33:36NanoThemesAt first
22:33:49NanoThemesI didn't know how to open the menu
22:33:56NanoThemesNot that this is bad.
22:34:32NanoThemesI think this is good, I would just try and make it easy for some one who is just learning about rockbox to use it
22:35:19badsheepyhalf the problem i find with new people trying it on my ipod is the buttons dont map like people expect them to
22:35:40badsheepyholding down menu to get to shuffle isnt instinctive, even if it is neat when you know what to do
22:36:01NanoThemesI was suprised when the button functions changed.
22:36:24linuxstb_Rockbox isn't a replacement ipod firmware, it's a firmware that happens to run on ipods as well as many other players.
22:36:34NanoThemesI know that
22:36:39badsheepyi think we are all aware of that :P
22:36:48linuxstb_Hence the reason it doesn't behave like Apple's firmware...
22:37:02NanoThemesWe all understand that I believe
22:37:42linuxstb_Then you should know the issues you mention won't be changed - Rockbox uses Rockbox's key mappings, not Apple.
22:37:45NanoThemesOf course you can ignore everything that I said
22:38:38badsheepysurely usability is an important feature though
22:38:45linuxstb_It's not just ipod owners who complain about this - owners of all devices expect Rockbox to act like their device's original firmware.
22:38:56LloreanUsability is fine.
22:39:06LloreanTapping menu goes to the primary menu, holding menu goes to the quick menu.
22:39:14badsheepyits fine for you, i think its fine, but people who have never used it start to cry in my experience :)
22:39:17LloreanInstead of menu ever going "back" or anything silly like that. :-P
22:39:27NanoThemesI understand what your talking about I believe
22:39:43linuxstb_badsheepy: I agree usabilityis important - but it's based on the user not having expectations based on the original firmware.
22:39:50LloreanThe button does what the label says, which I think is an improvement. Of course it also helps if you just skim the manual first and check what buttons do.
22:40:22badsheepyyeah i never quite understood menu as being back
22:40:29badsheepyand the play button should be the middle one imo
22:40:29NanoThemesMe niether
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22:41:04NanoThemesI like Rockbox
22:41:54TrueJournalsCool, thanks
22:42:11NanoThemesI also think (my own opinion) that it would be possible to make a 'beginners' rockbox which would act not only like rockbox but like the original firmware.
22:42:20LloreanH10_007quick: From your description, it sounds like I can have my finger on the bottom half of the pad and still have it scrolling up
22:42:46TrueJournalsNanoThemes: Umm... but there are so many different original firmwares from different players rockbox works on
22:43:00H10_007quickLlorean: not so
22:43:09badsheepya bit of onscreen prompting would be nice, but i dont think theres enough screen space on most devices
22:43:13TrueJournalsThe idea of rockbox is to use NO fragments of the original firmware... making it like the original firmware would, to me, seem to go against this
22:43:22alienbiker99having a keymap.cfg file could solve this though
22:43:23LloreanH10_007quick: Well with those ranged, I could be at 170 and be scrolling up, according to the description at least.
22:43:39bluebrotherNanoThemes: I don't think this would be a good thing −− users won't get the idea behind Rockbox ...
22:43:42n1sI think that we need to make people react more like if they had a device they had never used before in their hands instead of one they are used to...
22:43:44LloreanIf I go from 240 to 170 and leave my finger there, the description suggests that downward scroll will continue.
22:44:02H10_007quickwhere is this description?
22:44:11LloreanThe primary description for the task?
22:44:12H10_007quickthe top of the flyspray I just posted?
22:44:12bluebrotherbut others might disagree with me ;-)
22:44:19H10_007quickthat is for a different one
22:44:22NanoThemesIs the red names a PM?
22:44:32bluebrotherwhat red names?
22:44:58NanoThemesLike when you Private Message someone the name appears different?
22:45:04LloreanH10_007quick: You should never, EVER post a patch as a comment on another one if it's a completely new patch.
22:45:09pixelmaI bet that's the "highlight" feature of the webclient
22:45:22NanoThemesWell I g2g.
22:45:26LloreanBy "Different version" it suggests it's a version of that task, not an different patch entirely.
22:45:36bluebrotherPM's usually open up in a new window, at least for most clients. Sounds more like a hilight to me what you got :)
22:46:01H10_007quickLlorean: it could be called a version, I didn't use any of the code that the old patch used, but they are working on the same thing
22:46:01bluebrotherif somebody writes your nick you get hilighted. Usually :)
22:46:09LloreanH10_007quick: No, then it's not a version.
22:46:24H10_007quickSo should I open a new task?
22:46:24TrueJournalsH10_007quick: You made the patch poorly too... patches should be able to run from the root source directory
22:46:25LloreanH10_007quick: It's not a version of that patch, because it has nothing to do with that patch other than trying to solve the same problem. You use the related task function.
22:46:28NanoThemesBye. Sorry if I caused you to hate me.. Which is not what I wanted to do.
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22:46:52H10_007quickok I will open a new one and relate them
22:46:59LloreanH10_007quick: Or at the very, very least, you don't call it a "different version", but instead say "Here's a from-scratch attempt to do a similar thing" or other text to show clearly that it's not a version of the original task.
22:47:05bluebrotherhe caused to hate him? Did I miss something?
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22:47:23LloreanThat way people like me don't read it and assume that it's the same patch, modified. ;)
22:47:51Lloreanbluebrother: I definitely agree that Rockbox should be seen by users as an entirely new thing, rather than expected to work like the original device.
22:48:07linuxstb_Llorean: I'm not sure about that - I'm happy with improved or alternative patches to solve the same problem being part of the same task. The comments and patch filename/version number should make the difference clear.
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22:48:43linuxstb_Also, the discussion about the patch(s) can be together, rather than split over two tasks.
22:48:48Lloreanlinuxstb_: As I said, at the very least, make the difference clear.
22:49:03Lloreanlinuxstb_: But if he's implementing it in a completely different way, I'm not sure it should be the same thing necessarily.
22:49:29LloreanIt would cause a lot of confusion as to which implementation was being discussed, since it's essentially two code trees being tracked in one discussion.
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22:50:06linuxstb_Llorean: I haven't looked at the task in question, just your comment saying "never, EVER"...
22:50:33LloreanYeah, I was too harsh.
22:50:42LloreanThat's overkill.
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22:53:20LloreanI've related the other one, too.
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22:54:25bluebrotherH10_007quick: why don't you sum up the average in time but use 9 different variables instead?
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22:54:54H10_007quickI didn't see an option to relate
22:55:12H10_007quickbluebrother: go easy on me, its my first bit of C ever
22:55:36H10_007quickcould you explain what you mean?
22:55:44bluebrotherjust add the values to avg1 and avg2 right when aquiring them and divide after that
22:57:41H10_007quickso like "static int avg1 = (data1+data2...) " ?
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22:57:59bluebrothergimme a sec.
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22:59:33H10_007quickLlorean: could you add this as a related task too?
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23:01:23linuxstb_H10_007quick: Those udelay() calls seem bad to me - it means your code takes at least 1000 microseconds (1ms) to run, and Rockbox can't do anything else in that time. IIUC, that function is called 100 times a second, so 10% of Rockbox's time is spent in your function...
23:02:10bluebrotherH10_007quick: see
23:02:23H10_007quickso then how would I just measure quickly, then remember that one and measure again without getting rid of the old one?
23:02:28bluebrotherhaven't tried if it's compiling at all, but that's the way I would try it.
23:02:46H10_007quickobviously two different varialbles
23:03:22bluebrotheralso, you might want to put the data aquisition into a loop. Not sure if manually unrolling it is better in your case
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23:04:08*jhMikeS wonders what he's missing about getting the buttons to recognize messages posted by a scrollwheel
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23:05:48webguest73Looking to get write permission for for user IanLawler.
23:05:53linuxstb_jhMikeS: What do you mean? How can a button recognise messages?
23:06:07webguest73bah, terrible client.
23:06:30jhMikeSI have the sansa clickwheel GPIO working, but when I post to the button_queue just like the iPos, I get no scrolling but it's posting for sure
23:07:36bluebrotherwebguest73: the wiki doesn't have write permissions for single pages. I added you to the write list so you should be able editing any page now
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23:14:05H10_007quickSo how can I get my code to read a value to data, then respond, then read a value to data1 then respond to the avrage of the two?
23:14:30H10_007quicksuch that I don't have to have all those udelays
23:15:44H10_007quickLlorean: thanks for adding the related task
23:16:25linuxstb_H10_007quick: Maybe store the history (i.e. last x values of the pad) in an array, and refer to those to create an average.
23:19:24H10_007quicklinuxstb_: like this?
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23:20:51linuxstb_H10_007quick: No, an array. This page may help -
23:21:07H10_007quickk i will read it
23:21:18bluebrotherH10_007quick, use an array and a pointer to the array. Point always to the last used entry in the array, and sum up all values for the average
23:21:46jhMikeSodd, it works in the WPS but not from the menus :\
23:30:07H10_007quickso my array could be "int history[2]= [ data , data1 ];" ?
23:30:24H10_007quickwait history[1]
23:34:54bluebrotherstatic int history[5];
23:35:08bluebrotherint* histval = history;
23:35:33bluebrotherand the write new values to *histval++ and make sure to wrap at the end of the array.
23:36:24bluebrotherfor outputting the data just avg = 0; for(int i = 0; i < 5; i++) avg += history[i];
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23:36:37bluebrotheror whatever length your history is supposed to be.
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23:39:48H10_007quickby output you mean to enter a value into the array?
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23:44:29H10_007quicki'm starting to understand!
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23:45:45bluebrothernice. Sorry, but I'm doing other things the same time, so I'm somewhat laggy
23:47:50jhMikeSheh...I think it's just the button map
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23:50:33jhMikeSyup, GPIO IRQ scrollwheel works now :)
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23:57:13LloreanDoes that bring with it a performance improvement?
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23:58:28H10_007quickbluebrother: so "int* histval = history;" creates a pointer at the array called history to add a value to the array I would do like "int* histval = data;" use "avg = 0; for(int i = 0; i < 5; i++) avg += history[i];" to select a value from the array, but does this just point to the newest one?

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