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#rockbox log for 2007-05-11

00:00:43maffeRockbox for Cowon iAudio F2, please
00:00:53preglowcoming right up
00:01:07maffeX5L is so big and expensive :[
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00:01:33linuxstbpreglow: Shouldn't the PCM buffer take care of variations in decoding speed?
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00:05:40H10_007quickAnyone ? were is the code that accelerates when you scroll down or up? I mean the code that says, say, if button_up is held, accelerate
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00:07:34linuxstbH10_007quick: I didn't think there was any such code, apart from when seeking.
00:07:57H10_007quickwhen you scroll down a list it goes faster and faster
00:08:06H10_007quicksay in the file browswer
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00:14:28preglowlinuxstb: if it doesn't dip too long below 100%, yes, but still an interesting figure
00:14:55linuxstbSure, but how would you calculate it?
00:15:55preglowpretty much as you do now, i expect, samples_produced/real_time_elapsed
00:16:04preglowjust over shorter periods of time
00:16:18preglowmight have to use hires timer too :/
00:16:43linuxstbWell, feel free to add it... I don't think it interests me enough.
00:17:01preglowprobably will if the need strikes me
00:18:39linuxstbBTW, I never realised how many different formats of audio data our codecs produce - IIUC, for WAV-writing, I'll need to deal with either 16-bit or 32-bit ints, mono and stereo, interleaved and non-interleaved and various bitdepths?
00:19:09linuxstbSo it looks like I should be using the DSP code...
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00:19:57preglowwell, the various bitdepths are really just 2: anything below 16, and anything below 32 and above 16
00:20:31chrisjs169|afkLast night I had this problem, but I never was able to fix it...Using the latest version of binutils (ld) segfaults, and using version 2.16.1 says "unrecognized option '−−hash-style=gnu'"
00:20:40linuxstbpreglow: What output depth should I write WAV files for lossy codecs? Is 16 enough or do you want an option?
00:21:06preglowwell, occasionally full precision might be useful
00:21:15preglowbut mostly 16 would be just fine
00:21:30linuxstbThat's what I thought - I'll try and make it a compile-time option if it's straightforward.
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00:27:49linuxstbsaratoga: Any luck with ffmpeg?
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00:29:54saratogawell i'm slowly making progress
00:30:05saratogai've mostly got the ffmpeg abstraction stuff stripped away
00:30:17saratogahoping to have that taken care of tonight
00:30:33preglowsaratoga: which timezone are you in?
00:30:47saratogaEastern Standard in the USA
00:30:54saratoga6:30 PM now
00:31:10preglowahh, ok
00:31:32saratogahonestly i can't believe this is proving so difficult
00:31:38preglowi can :)
00:31:43*linuxstb too
00:32:16amiconnHmm, H10_007 quit...
00:32:55amiconnlinuxstb: Btw, there is code that accelerates button repeat over time. It's in the button driver itself
00:33:26linuxstbamiconn: Ah, OK. In the generic part of the driver?
00:33:33saratogaif I type gcc file1.c file2.c does file2 get access to all the includes from file1 or do I have to include them in each?
00:34:06linuxstbsaratoga: Each .c file is compiled independently, and then they're linked together. So you need to do includes in each file.
00:34:59amiconnCheck the button tick, especially the repeat_speed variable
00:35:18amiconnThis has been there for ages....
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00:36:54matt____i have an ipod video, with rockbox, what is the easist way for me to get "contacts" on there? i'm using linux, and what would work? could i use, for example, a vcard?
00:37:23linuxstbmatt____: Rockbox has no "contacts" application. Just a text viewer.
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00:37:56saratogaa contacts application would be a cool project
00:38:03saratogamaybe after i finish this wma thing
00:38:10matt____linuxstb: oh, i understand that, but would it read a vcard? is there a list of supported filetypes somewhere?
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00:38:10saratoga(say 2009)
00:38:11linuxstbsaratoga: Don't get distracted...
00:39:07Soapdoes this prove saratoga does, or does not "have a clue"?
00:39:18linuxstbmatt____: A vcard is just a text file, so yes, you could view them in the text viewer.
00:39:40matt____linuxstb: how would that look? would it look nice, or sho all the commas and spaces in a vcard?
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00:40:12linuxstbmatt____: It would look the same as opening the vcard in a text editor on your PC.
00:40:44Hilikuswhats a vcard
00:41:26linuxstbSoap: Depends if he uses WMA or not...
00:41:37Hilikus\are you talking about the contacts plugin?
00:41:49linuxstbThere isn't a contacts plugin...
00:41:50*preglow never received a vcard
00:42:09Hilikusyes there is
00:42:12matt____Hilikus: what is it?
00:42:21matt____Hilikus: and how do you use it?
00:42:23Hilikusits old, im trying to update it
00:42:32Hilikusit doesnt work right now
00:42:34saratogaI don't actually use WMA
00:42:38matt____Hilikus: oh
00:42:39saratogaor really care about it at all
00:42:48Hilikusi think ill end up rewriting the whole damn thing
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00:42:53saratogaI just thought it looked like a fun project, and my funding was likely to run out over the summer
00:42:53preglowSoap: turns out he has a clue :)
00:42:58Hilikuscause its so old
00:43:03linuxstbHilikus: Yes, I just found it on the patch tracker. It would be nice to get that committed.
00:43:32preglowand fun it will be!
00:45:45 Quit matt____ ("Lost terminal")
00:46:33Hilikusits the damn menu system change
00:46:40Hilikusim trying to understand it
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00:47:55*preglow bed
00:48:05saratogais "offset_t" defined in one of the standard c libraries?
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00:52:44saratogaah never mind
00:52:55bluebrotheroff_t is defined in unistd.h
00:53:09bluebrotherseems to be posix rather than libc
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02:06:55BigMacHey I am not sure what is wrong with this syntax
02:07:05BigMacsvn revert -R .
02:07:14BigMacthat seems to be right
02:10:47BigMacand it is being executed from in ~/rockbox
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02:27:12linuxstbBigMac: ~/rockbox is the directory containing apps, firmware, tools etc?
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02:32:26linuxstbBigMac: Does "svn revert -R apps" work?
02:35:50linuxstbOK, so it just seems that svn doesn't like -R in the top-level direcory.
02:36:07BigMacso cd out of it?
02:37:31linuxstbYou said that "svn revert -R apps" works?
02:40:03linuxstbSo just do that.
02:40:37BigMacYes but I would like to know why the regular command isn't working
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02:45:13linuxstbBigMac: Well, I've just tried it and worked fine for me. Do you have a ".svn" directory in ~/rockbox ?
02:45:55BigMacNo I don't
02:46:28linuxstbThen that's the problem - SVN doesn't recognise "." as being part of an SVN repository because there is no .svn directory.
02:46:59BigMacHmm I must have not downloaded it when svn co svn ing?
02:47:28linuxstbSVN should have created it. Did you move things after downloading them?
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03:47:58Acidictadpolehi, i recently redid the songs on my ipod 4g Gray and it won't boot anymore
03:48:13Acidictadpolei cant find a troubleshooting part of the forum so i came here
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03:54:15bammargerahello can someone help me?
03:54:36Aloneaask a question
03:55:15bammargeraHow to i add music to my newly modded rockbox ipod nano 1st gen?
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03:55:41HellDragonbammargera: what do you mean ?
03:55:46bammargerasorry i mean
03:55:47Aloneaummm, don't know anything about nano's, but you can probably find the answer in the manual.
03:55:51HellDragonjust drag and drop music folders, or if it's itunes music just update the database
03:56:12bammargerawill my ipod still work with itunes even after changing the firmware?
03:57:54bammargeraAlso, what steps do i take into adding a video? Does the length and width have to be changed to put it onto my Ipod?
03:59:16bammargerathanks for the help
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04:03:08bammargeracan someone answer one easy question
04:03:21HellDragoni can
04:03:24bammargerawheres my music on thet ipod nano? After i changed the firmware i couldnt find it...
04:03:32HellDragonin Files
04:03:36HellDragonor just update the database
04:03:41HellDragonand it will all be listed in it
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04:03:58scorchebammargera: read the will tell you this and much more
04:04:03bammargeraumm how do i update the database?
04:04:31scorchebammargera: read the will tell you this and much more
04:04:31bammargerawait nvm i think i found it
04:04:38bammargerascorche, ty
04:04:45bammargerai kind of skimmed it though
04:04:55bammargerabetter actually read it
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04:06:17bammargerais there anyway to change the background of the ipod nano?
04:06:25bammargerainstead of a blue mybe like a red?
04:06:27bammargeraor purple
04:06:44bammargeracan you share this information?
04:06:47scorchebammargera: read the will tell you this and much more
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04:11:55*Whopper responds.
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04:13:01scorcheWhopper: are in here too?
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04:30:35Whopperscorche: Yeah.
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04:38:07ilikepiehey all
04:38:31Hilikusi like pie too
04:39:35ilikepiewhat kind
04:39:51Hilikusapple, pear, pineapple
04:40:05ilikepiethoes are good
04:40:50ilikepieso does any body know when usb support for the sansa e260 is going to be out
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04:42:55Joelynope, probably IR support will even come before then....hehe! and btw, that probably isn't a bad thing ;)
04:43:26Hilikusthe sansa has ir?
04:43:36Joelyno, it's a mod i'm trying out
04:44:11ilikepiekewl can you send a like to a diagram
04:46:40Hilikusa mod?
04:46:44Joelywell actually....i've kinda upped the ante on the components....i decided that because i wanted an `active t-splitter' (so you could listen to music and control ir/irda at near same time without reconnecting anything), it's going to take some logical components...a lot and plus there's the led driver, so then i just decided to forget that, and go for a chip implementation!
04:47:03Joelyso now i'm writing in confluence...
04:47:15Hilikuswhy do you want an ir
04:47:38ilikepieif you had it in the sansa it would make a kewl remote
04:47:52Joelyfor compatibility with other you could share music
04:47:52Hilikusonly his
04:48:03Joelyit uses the audio port
04:48:09Joelyany rockbox target can use it
04:48:21Hilikusbut you need the ir hardware
04:48:28Hilikusnobody is going to have that except you
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04:48:45Joelytrue, that's where i am trying to make the designs...and i'll provide it under a free license of course..
04:48:49ilikepieunless he sells it
04:49:19Hilikuswhats the bandwidth of that? i feel like you cant use ir for anything more than turn up the volume
04:49:51ilikepiei think it would be enough for sending music
04:49:53Joelyonce again, i was surprised until i did the research. the ir protocol goes up to about 2 MB/s
04:49:59Joelyfor FIR
04:50:12ilikepiethats not bad
04:50:32Hilikusis the processor able to produce that much data? can go higher with tweaking of the protocol (version 2 of irda plans for 12 MB/s)
04:51:00Joelyyou mean the DAC?
04:51:22Joelyit really wouldn't be the processor, it's the DAC that's going to be the limiting factor
04:52:07Hilikusdo you need special leds to transmit that fast?
04:52:18Joelyyes, and to get awesome range....
04:52:23Joelyi'll show you the ones i'm using
04:52:50Joelythose beasts ;)
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04:55:19ilikepiethem nice leds
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04:56:34ilikepiethey can't be too cheap
04:58:07ilikepiecould you go through the dock connector then thee dac wouldent be the limiting factor
04:58:34ilikepiecould you then go a usb 2.0 speeds
04:59:28Joelytrue, and i'm planning on making a version for that...but remember, V 1.0 is for backwards compatibility, so people with past players can move their data around
05:00:10ilikepieo i see that makes cents
05:01:12Hilikusi did a board with irs to use them as a universal r/c controlled by my computer, i got it to work but the range was pretty bad, it was very directional, you had to point it directly at the receiver
05:01:58ilikepieso for unidirectional could you use more leds spread out
05:02:14Joelyheh, i see that more as a feature....just so that speeds wont get slowed down by interference from other players
05:02:47Joelyand the angle can be spread out to over like 40 yeah
05:04:04ilikepiewell i shuold go bye
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05:04:55Joelyalso, if anyone wants to comment on version .01 of the casing for the parts...(it's pretty bad) i'd be very grateful.
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05:43:52SlopokeI need some support please
05:44:08Joelywhat's the problem??
05:44:55SlopokeI installed Rockbox on my Sansa mp3 player and now the mp3 player isnt recognized as a Disk drive on my PC
05:45:34SlopokeI can't access it anymore... it says that I plugged some USB device... but that it doesnt recognize what kind of device it is
05:45:46Joelydid you boot to OF?
05:45:59SlopokeOF ?
05:46:08Joelyoriginal firmware
05:46:45SlopokeNo, i booted with Rockbox
05:47:42Slopokeif i'm plugging my Sansa before booting it, it opens the OF ... but i suppopse it's still loaded by Rockbox, so it's never recognized by my PC
05:48:40Joelyrockbox doesn't have a usb stack
05:48:48Joelyit's in the works
05:49:50Joelyyou need it controlled either via hardware or by a not-existing-atm-usb-stack
05:49:56Slopokeoh so now how can i uninstall Rockbox if i can't even access the file that i have to delete ?
05:50:16Joelyyou don't have to just have to boot into the OF
05:50:29Joelyholding down |<< as you boot
05:50:34Joelyas described in the manual
05:50:40Slopokeahhh okay !!
05:50:47Slopokei didn't see this information
05:50:53Slopokei'll try it right now
05:51:47Slopokeah yeah, now i can access it
05:52:48Slopokeit's weird because i accessed the OF before by plugging the USB cable while it was Off
05:53:09Slopokebut the player didn't showed as a Disk drive
05:53:28Slopokebut now it's recgnized!
05:54:42Slopokeso if one day i want to uninstall Rockbox, i suppose i'll have to be in that mode, right?
05:54:51Slopokein the OF
05:55:48Slopokealso if i want to put MP3s in it too and play them with Rockbox...
05:55:52Joelyright, and then you'll whip out the manual; (delete the .rockbox directory and the rockbox exe)
05:56:16Slopokeyeah, i saw that in the manual, i red many pages of it
05:56:20Slopokethat's well written
05:56:41Slopokeis the USB function available for others mp3 players?
05:57:20Joelythere's currently no stack (which means software init) everything is done by the hardware without rockbox even knowing about it to my knowledge
05:57:50Slopokeahhhh i see
05:58:00Slopokenow i understand
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05:59:05Slopokewhen i'm loading the OF by holding the key <<| pressed ... its using the Rockbox bootloader to boot the OF right?
06:02:42Joelyummm it's a patched mi4, so it's seperate from rockbox...rockbox is actually target independent for the most part. think about it like a regular pc (in that you need a bootloader such as grub for different archs) but yeah, the rockbox _bootloader_ chainloads the OF kernel
06:03:43Slopokeahh okay ! that's cool, i just discovered Rockbox and didn't know about that kinds of projects
06:03:52Slopokeit can really expands the possibilities
06:05:26Joelyhehe, indeed it can! but of course then i could go on one of my ramblings about my little mod for the players...and tell you how _that_ is realllly useful, but that relies on rockbox. so yes, rockbox is very useful!
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06:09:40Urtubisorry, it's me Slopoke, but my connection closed
06:10:03UrtubiThere was one thing that i'd like to know thought... it may seems to be a really numb question, but how can I play a Mp3 in Rockbox?? lolll
06:10:28UrtubiI played games, etc... but never was able to play a Mp3 or view a picture
06:10:39Joelylook in Files
06:11:06UrtubiHum hum... they don't show, i think it's because they are hidden files
06:11:26Joelyoh well then go to settings and change the file settings to show hidden files
06:12:08Urtubibut is the Viewer functions? I saw the files, but weren't able to open them
06:12:36Joelywell then it's a file not recognized
06:12:57Urtubiahh i see
06:13:19UrtubiDoom is functionning just on few Mp3 players right?
06:14:09Joelywell, depends on your lcd screen (whether you have one or not)
06:14:53Urtubiah ok! because mine has an LCD screen but the game isnt working
06:15:04Joelydid you download the free doom wad?
06:15:16Joelybe sure to check all the docs!!
06:16:55Urtubiahh okay! i think i'll have to check few more things in that case... i thought that because the plugin for Doom was in, the game would work
06:17:03Urtubii see that i was wrong, i need some other files
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06:19:33Urtubii'll try it, i'd like to play this game :P
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06:22:53UrtubiThank you very much Joely !
06:23:04Joelyyou're welcome
06:23:21Urtubii thought that i did something wrong and weren't be able to access the Drive of my Mp3 player anymore
06:23:25Urtubii was a bit worried thought lol
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06:25:30UrtubiI have to go, it's a bit late! Bye bye and thanks again
06:28:46Joelyhmm, any room left at the devconwest?? :) maybe for about three people willing to present the actual hardware for the IR idea, help code, share a friendly drink, etc? haha
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06:29:49scorchewell, i suppose you are quite welcome to come
06:30:23kkurbjun:), I was just about to say talk to scorche
06:30:44scorchesend me a mail so i know who you are and can contact you, and add yourself to the wiki as everyone has and as i ask
06:31:13Joelyok, sure thing
06:31:31scorcheand pay attention to the Dev-ML for announcements
06:31:51gursikhscorche, what're the thoughts on useless people attending?
06:32:09Joelythanks gursikh :-P
06:32:15gursikhoh no not you, me1
06:32:18Soaplinuxstb (or whoever): is my complete collection of "standardized" encodes, covering the full range of (music) codecs, and all small enough to fit in a 14.1MB audio buffer. Source I'll start work on a benchmarking wiki page tomorrow if someone doesn't beat me to it.
06:32:42gursikhhehe, didnt mean it that way Joely
06:33:20scorchegursikh: well, it is their money to fly out there and their money to stay there, so as long as they dont sit there and ask when we will support the nano second gen, ask for cheats to be added to doom, or ask questions answered int he manual, they are free to come
06:33:40scorchei just need to knwo about it =)
06:33:50SoapI was thinking that an agreement should be reached on what (if not all) of the files I encoded should be used, or if perhaps new encodes should be made - new encodes which would attempt to "force" the natively VBR codecs to all output an encode at the same bitrate.
06:34:01gursikhwhat if I want to just come and chill with your rockbox dudes just because I love rockbox?
06:34:28gursikheven if I will end up sitting in the corner and cheering you on (much like I do now...)
06:34:57Soapas is, I encoded lossless in standard and max modes, and lossy in 320/128/and HydrogenAudio recommended settings. "320" and "128" being an aproximation on those codecs which don't do CBR.
06:35:02scorchegursikh: i reference my earlier remark
06:35:22gursikhah ok cool, I'm seriously considering it, I'll let you know :-)
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06:40:12scorchekkurbjun: you still planning on coming with the gf?
06:45:16redwyreI'm having trouble opening some zip files downloaded from the site (specifically ones for the iriver H300), do I need a specific program to open them? (7zip won't open it at all, and winrar says there are errors)
06:45:31SoapIan Lawler?
06:45:36scorcheredwyre: have you re-downloaded them?
06:46:03kkurbjunscorche, I think that's still the plan right now
06:46:44scorcheif you end up going against that, let me know and i will get you into the suite if you wish and if there is still room
06:47:07kkurbjunsounds good, I'll let you know if my plans change
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06:58:37redwyrescorche: one of them, yeah
06:58:40aliaskWhat's the general consensus on the iRiver H10 (20gb) as a rockbox target?
06:58:55scorcheredwyre: which zip is this?
06:59:57scorchealiask: decent, but suffers from a few issues, notably the one that plagues all PP devices and some have issues with how the scrollpad is implmented
07:00:11aliaskAh it's PP...
07:00:41aliaskMy house was robbed a little while ago, and it looks like I'm recieving one as a replacement to a broken H100 which was stolen
07:01:05aliaskI'd rather have had the H100 though :(
07:01:13scorcheno kidding =/
07:02:19aliaskLuckily we were insured though.
07:02:32SoapH10 is an iPod mini with a colour screen and a radio Rockbox doesn't use?
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07:03:23aliaskThe screen doesn't look very good, it's not small, but it has a very low resolution.
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07:04:27aliaskNice FPS in mpegplayer though :)
07:05:11Soapugh, 5020, Mini 1st generation at that.
07:05:51Soap(or has the 5020 crashing been resolved?)
07:06:03scorchenot as far as i am aware
07:06:14Soaphome robbery is a scary thing.
07:06:34aliaskAt least I can laugh at him because he got a broken MP3 player.
07:06:38aliask(or her?)
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08:48:44voltagexhi, if I don't have access to a windows machine, is it possible to repair/restore H10 "system files"? I formatted the drive - put rockbox and the contents of the system folder back in but it says it needs the restore tool
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09:24:18markunlinuxstb: I now also have shutdown problems on my Gigabeat..
09:25:42markunit looks like it doesn't shutdown, but be backlight is off and it doesn't react to buttons anymore
09:26:02markunwhen the HDD was being scanned it just continues doing that
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09:27:25markunI found out that something was wrong because POWER didn't turn my device on anymore after shutdown
09:27:45markunthe battery switch did the trick and I forgot about it
09:28:01markunthis morning I tried to turn it on again but the battery was flat
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09:47:30daurnimatoroh god
09:47:37daurnimatorworst joke I've ever heard
09:47:41daurnimatorA boat carrying blue paint and a boat carrying red paint collided in the middle of the ocean. What happened to the crew?
09:48:16scorchethey drowned?
09:48:32daurnimatorThey were marooned.
09:49:46*markun looks up marooning on wikipedia
09:50:20scorchemarkun: look up the color maroon as well to get the full meaning
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10:08:59DarthShrineYay, I've been saved by Rockbox.
10:09:19scorchedont tell your church that
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10:10:44DarthShrineBut yeah, my iPod screen was cracked, so can't really do much in the Apple Firmware. Rockbox talks to me which is useful though.
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10:22:36DarthShrineMy iPod is getting really hot now...
10:23:41amiconnLinusN (or Zagor): Could you disable sim builds on my build box for now? Silly debian binutils problem... but I had to update them because of updated libs which no longer worked with the "old" binutils...
10:24:08amiconnAn alternative would be to disable .map files for simulators...
10:24:19amiconnI don't think that's wanted
10:24:42pondlifeAnyone else having problems where playback is stopped when skipping through a playlist quickly?
10:25:10pondlifei.e. during playback, pressing RIGHT repeatedly results in a stop, eventually.
10:25:36LinusNamiconn: i have disabled sdl builds on your host
10:26:36pondlifepressing LEFT repeatedly goes into a playback-locked loop.
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10:45:43linuxstbSoap: A couple of comments on your set of test audio files: 1) You forgot wavpack lossy; 2) I think the "high bitrate" samples should be the maximum bitrate the codec supports (or the highest quality the encoder supports if there is no format limit). That will enable us to answer the question "will all files in this codec play in realtime on this device?".
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10:46:14linuxstbSoap: 2) was for lossy codecs
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10:53:23preglow <- ???
10:53:35preglowdo we really need a separate page for that?
10:54:20pixelmapondlife: I got lockups while skipping songs on my M5 too. Is this with your H300?
10:54:33pondlifeNo, the sim.
10:54:46Zagorprobably seth got annoyed by the '?' after MediaCoder in PluginMpegPlayer and created the page
10:55:33ZagorI'd rather see a link on the plugin page instead. the ? can be removed without a link
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10:57:09preglowright, it's camel case
10:58:05pondlifepixelma: I think it's crossfade related, will experiment some more later
10:58:06Zagorsimply put a ! before the word to prevent a link
10:58:38Zagoror surround a block of text with <noautolink> </noautolink>
10:58:39pixelmapondlife: for me it's mostly when skipping forward (doesn't have to be repeatedly) and not always of course - because I have problems with going "right" due to bouncing with the M5's joystick I thought it could have to do with this.
10:58:47pixelmaI don't use crossfade...
10:59:16pondlifeI can't repro the lockup going backwards, but I can repro it stopping when skipping to next track.
10:59:35pondlifeProbably happens when the next track isn't buffered in time.
11:00:02amiconnZagor: The twiki formatting table says you just need to put <nop> in front of the CamelCase word...
11:00:22amiconnlinuxstb: Where can I find those files?
11:00:43linuxstbamiconn: Read the logs about 4.5 hours ago.
11:01:32Zagoramiconn: "Prevent a WikiWord from being linked by prepending it with an exclamation point." −−
11:02:17scorchei have been doing the exclamation mark way for quite a while now...easiest option, imo
11:02:20amiconnah ok
11:02:37amiconn<nop> should still work though; it's the older method in twiki
11:02:44ZagorI remember something about nop too, but I looked it up and apparently it's changed
11:04:55pixelmapondlife: I tried out if it happens while skipping during rebuffering (because a bugreport suggested it, you answered there too ) but I couldn't reproduce it.
11:07:38pondlifeNot sure that's the same problem I'm seeing... My "freeze" can be got out of by pressing STOP.
11:09:54pixelmathen it might be something different. For me it hangs completely most of the times and have to hard power-off (one time it helped to just press another button, last weekend it hung almost completely only the backlight reacted on button presses...)
11:11:21pixelmaI just couldn't find a recipe to reporduce it yet...
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11:16:52DarthShrineBah... I can't figure out how to play music just using the voice menu.
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11:20:40daurnimatorI want a JD
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11:30:20amiconnlinuxstb, Soap: There are some more test cases missing, like layer 2 and layer 1 for libmad...
11:30:48amiconn(layer 1 could probably be ignored though)
11:31:27linuxstbYes, I forgot mp2...
11:36:42DarthShrineIs there a way to get Rockbox to actually turn the screen of my iPod off?
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11:42:12markunisn't there a timeout for a forced power off if it's taking too long to shutdown?
11:42:15linuxstbDarthShrine: I assume you mean whilst the ipod is still on?
11:44:37markunamiconn: do you know?
11:44:47DarthShrinelinuxstb, Yeah.
11:45:01DarthShrineWhile I'm using it too, preferably.
11:46:12pixelmaDarthShrine: you could at least turn the backlight off if this helps any
11:46:21DarthShrinepixelma, Yeah, I have.
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11:46:42DarthShrineIt's just that the screen is broken so it seems to get very hot now.
11:48:06linuxstbDarthShrine: No, Rockbox doesn't do that (and I don't think anyone knows how to on the ipods)
11:48:55DarthShrineHmm, okay. Well, at least the voice menus are there.
12:01:20amiconnmarkun: There is.
12:01:52amiconnBut there might be a problem with poweroff in general on the gigabeat, in which case the forced poweroff won't help
12:05:08amiconnThe forced poweroff only handles the case where not all threads respond to the shutdown event
12:18:17markunamiconn: I'm not really sure where to start to debug.. I have this problem with a clean build and settings reset.
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12:31:29Soapamiconn, linuxstb: The reason I was intrigued by 320 was it was as close to a level-playingfield test as I though cold be done between the lossy. 2) I did forget about Wavpack lossy/hybrid. 3)I'll make the max bitrate ones in a few. 4)what other formats did I miss?
12:32:52Soap5) Is MP3 (for example) in VBR mode with a combo of 256 and 320 frames for any reason more CPU intensive than in CBR mode with all 320 frames?
12:34:39preglowthe occasional 256 frame just means less to do for that frame
12:34:55SoapThat's what I assumed, but I wasn't 100%.
12:35:29Soapit's "folk wisdom" than VBR is more CPU intensive than CBR.
12:35:40linuxstbSoap: Did you see amiconn's comment that you missed MP1 and MP2?
12:35:57linuxstbWe can probably ignore MP1 though.
12:37:00preglowwould still be interesting, it's a partially separate decode path internally in libmad
12:37:19linuxstbDo you know of any mp1 encoders?
12:37:22preglowand i remember i had to fix it at one time, since it was being slower than mp2 at the same bitrate
12:37:22Soapcan LAME even do mp1, or will I need another encoder (If I don't ignore it) as MP2 used to be a seperate branch (tooLame)
12:37:26preglowlinuxstb: amiconn does
12:37:44preglowSoap: layer 2 still is a separate branch
12:38:39Soap(I read LAME's −−longhelp for the first time in years last night, I was thinking I saw something about mp2 in it)
12:39:12linuxstbI haven't tried it, but here's a layer-1 encoder -
12:40:14markunSoap: "−−mp2input input file is a MPEG Layer II file" ?
12:40:55Soapmight have been, I need to zoom to work for a short day - I'll tackle these in a (brief) few.
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12:41:22webguest08Can someone help me?
12:41:48linuxstbOr this - an mp1/3 encoder written in Fortran - ;)
12:42:11webguest08linuxstb, can you help me?
12:42:41scorchewebguest08: no one can help you unless you tell us what is wrong
12:42:55webguest08It is not a problem
12:42:56Soapoh, I got to go the fortran route! ;)
12:43:08linuxstb(forget the uzura link - it's mpeg-1, Layer 3, not mp1 and mp3
12:43:27webguest08but What does changing the batterys MAz(right?) help it or hurt it?
12:43:52scorchetechnically, it doesnt do either
12:44:12webguest08Oh, i was thinking it made the battery last loner
12:44:21scorcheheh...dont we wish
12:44:27linuxstbwebguest08: If you're talking about the setting in Rockbox then it makes no difference at all to runtime - it's described in the manual.
12:44:55webguest08Im going to go read the manual
12:45:06webguest08i cannot believe scorche didn' t suggest it yet
12:45:13webguest08haha, see you later
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13:09:48amiconnlinuxstb: I have an mp1 and mp2 capable encoder, whose mp2 encoding quality is quite good. It's an amiga program.
13:10:43Zagoramiconn: is that the one we couldn't find the author for?
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13:11:43ZagorI have vague memories that we found a good amiga candidate, but there was something preventing its' use. such as inability to get an OK from the author.
13:12:15amiconnThat was a decoder iirc
13:12:20amiconnI'm talking about encoders
13:12:26amiconnIt's this one:
13:12:31amiconnFrench author...
13:13:35amiconnI didn't check out the source, but it's half realtime on 68060/50, so it might be possible to get it realtime on coldfire, provided it doesn't use floating point
13:13:52amiconnAnd the quality is definitely better than that of the shine encoder
13:13:58Zagoris there any source in that package?
13:14:36amiconnThere is a source package
13:15:00Zagorah, nice
13:15:47markunZagor: thinking of adding mp2 recording to rockbox?
13:16:22Zagorno, but I'm always happy to see the prospect of new codecs :)
13:18:16linuxstbamiconn: Is that encoder portable, or is there lots of asm?
13:18:36amiconn[13:13:34] <amiconn> I didn't check out the source
13:19:21Zagorthree asm files: FFT.asm, SubBandCoding.asm and Encoder.asm
13:19:34linuxstbYes, just seen that list - plus some nice .cpp files...
13:20:06Zagorlooking at the c++-ishness right now. doesn't look too bad yet.
13:20:53linuxstbYes, c++ generally isn't that bad to convert to C.
13:21:16Zagormainly because most people write 98% C with 2% C++ constructs :)
13:23:28linuxstbZagor: Spotted any sign of a license?
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13:24:17Zagor" Distribution : - EMail-ware." in the binary package readme
13:24:34linuxstbYes, just seen that :)
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13:25:25preglowlinuxstb: just wait until you find juicy design pattern based stuff with lots of template use
13:25:44linuxstbAlso in the source "" - "Distribution: No restrictions apply"
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13:26:32linuxstbpreglow: I wouldn't recognise that if I saw it...
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13:26:39Zagorlinuxstb: interpreted strictly, that could still prevent us from distributing modifed versions
13:27:27linuxstbZagor: Because "Distribution" only refers to the original unmodified source?
13:28:11Zagoryeah, possibly. but I'm just playing devils' advocate.
13:28:18linuxstbAlso, I wonder if it's based on the reference encoders from the MPEG group.
13:28:33Zagorif it ever becomes interesting we should try to contact the author anyway
13:28:53linuxstbAh yes, it is - "Pegase is a highly optimized MPEG audio encoder, based upon the ISO/MPEG source code."
13:29:00Zagor"Although it is based upon the original version of Musicin (ISO/MPEG), only the principle on which things work is identical. The whole source code has been rewritten, with the Amiga spirit in mind, in order to provide a fast encoder without sacrifying the quality."
13:29:24linuxstbAh, OK then. So I guess it's up to the author...
13:32:07Zagorquite a bit of malloc going on
13:32:57Zagorconclusion: appears doable, but certainly requires a lot of work.
13:34:36linuxstbWould the asm need much work to convert to Coldfire? I've no idea how they differ...
13:35:48Zagormy 68k/cf asm knowledge is too limited to say
13:37:24linuxstbIt does seem to be full of floats though...
13:37:38preglowthen forget it
13:37:40preglownot nearly worth it
13:38:06linuxstbI'm guessing "fmul" is a floating-point asm instruction?
13:38:09Zagorah, I forgot to look for that. agreed, that's way too much hassle to convert.
13:38:19linuxstb(and fmove)
13:38:27preglowit'll probably be easier to convert shine to do mp2
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13:44:14linuxstbpreglow: On a different subject, does Coldfire have any instructions for 16-bit signed arithmetic?
13:44:46preglowthe emac can do it directly
13:44:58preglowat least acc += s16*s16
13:45:11preglowbut running time, later
13:58:40amiconnSoap: In case you want mp1 and mp2 encodings, just tell me the parameters. I can probably do it tonight
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14:26:38amiconnlinuxstb: svn:keywords should only be set for textual source files
14:27:04amiconnBitmaps etc should not have it; such files need an appropriate mime type instead
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14:39:19linuxstbamiconn: That's what I meant by "source". But please clarify it if you think it needs to be.
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15:03:50XavierGramiconn: is it possible to power the ondio from USB power?
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15:06:00XavierGramiconn: (I mean not only USB mode but normal operation)
15:07:51amiconnThe Ondio was the first target where USB power was implemented...
15:08:18amiconnJust hold Mode while plugging USB
15:09:18amiconnThe Ondio can even run from USB power alone, i.e. with no batteries inserted. Note that this is not recommended, as it looks like this *might* trigger the high-power-drain problem
15:13:35XavierGrwell I am thinking to make my ondio a permanent audio solution on my car, I was thinking to buy a car ligher adapter (with 5 volt output) and attach it to my ondio either from the usb port or on the battery springs behind the player
15:14:40XavierGramiconn: what would you suggest? usb power or normal? (Using an adpater that is)
15:15:20Zagordoes car adapter mode trigger on usb power?
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15:16:39XavierGrI am not really sure, never used that feature before, but it would be good if I could make it support it
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15:44:34linuxstbSoap: I've just opened your test track in audacity and noticed the first 17 seconds or so are very quiet - maybe it would be better to extract the middle of the track, rather than the start?
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16:05:50amiconnXavierGr: I'd probably use the battery contacts, but then you need 4.0...4.5V. And you need really good stabilisation & spike suppression in order to protect the fragile LT3440
16:10:12Soaplinuxstb: yes, the first seconds are quiet. Does that pose a decreased complexity issue for the decoder?
16:10:17linuxstbamiconn: Maybe Shorten is a candidate for an Archos codec - I've just tested it, and it's 1039% realtime on Coldfire, compared to around 595% for FLAC....
16:10:39linuxstbSoap: It may do, at least I would expect VBR codecs to compress it more heavily.
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16:11:19amiconnlinuxstb: Does shorten use huffman coding?
16:11:24linuxstbSoap: I just noticed that your samples seem to be decoding slightly faster than other tests I've done.
16:11:31linuxstbamiconn: I've no idea what it does.
16:11:56amiconnflac uses huffman, and huffman coding is a pita on the sh1
16:12:05amiconn...because sh1 has no shift-by-n instruction
16:12:31amiconnMaybe it would pay off to have a look at MAS3500 assembler...
16:13:36Soapahh, linuxstb, first 14 seconds = 188kbps avg. Total track = 205.4 kbps avg.
16:14:41linuxstbamiconn: shift-by-n seems to be a very popular instruction in lossless codecs...
16:15:05amiconnYes, unfortunately
16:15:36amiconnThe lpc coding used in flac should be rather fast on sh using mac, provided we limit it to 16 bit samples
16:16:15Soapso linuxstb do you just want me to encode a louder section of the song, or should I go all-out and find as complex a piece as possible from
16:16:55linuxstbSoap: I think as complex as you can find - your sample also seems lacking in high frequency content.
16:17:06Soapcan do.
16:17:58Soapwhich pretty much means electronic I believe.
16:18:47linuxstbI don't know if a hi-res (i.e. 24-bit, > 44.1KHz) recording would be better. But I think it's worth looking at a spectral analysis.
16:18:59linuxstb(obviously converted to 16-bit/44.1)
16:19:02amiconnPerhaps the bitrate produced with lame −−preset standard can be used as a hint for complexity?
16:19:14Soapthis was 24 bit, I knocked it down to 16...
16:19:30*amiconn has quite a number of tracks which exceed 240kbps with −−preset standard
16:21:56Soapshould I keep all the target bitrates and add "Encodus Maximus", or drop one of the low bitrates?
16:22:38Soapthe only reason i made the 128"CBR" ones was for a low-rate Head-to-Head option. Not sure that really tells much...
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16:36:03linuxstbSoap: It depends what questions you want to answer with the results. The easier question (we just need max bitrate versions) is "will all files decode at realtime". Other questions like "which is the fastest lossy codec" mean comparing files with similar quality, which is harder to select encoding paramaters for.
16:37:43linuxstbMaybe choose the bitrate which is generally considered "transparent for most people" if that's possible as the comparitive test.
16:38:23linuxstbBut this is starting to sound like those long pre-test discussions they have on HA...
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16:39:45Soapok, then I will just do: Max, 320, HA "transparent", 128.
16:39:55SoapI know, I've wasted enough of your time.
16:40:47SoapMax for obvious reasons. 320 because it is the highest they all can do. Transparent for the comparitive test, and 128 for the low-end (probably least important if it wasn't for iTunes defaulting there)
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16:41:56intgr128 is more than good for listening with earbuds.
16:43:55amiconnOkay, maybe with aac and vorbis...
16:44:09intgrAnd regular MP3.
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16:44:37SoapI ABXed up to V4 with apple's stock buds.
16:44:42bmidy23hi all
16:45:14bmidy23I've just downloaded the last build, And I've a problem with the database feature.
16:45:16intgrOr perhaps it's just that my MP3 player has bad DAC quality.
16:45:46bmidy23My HD is a 120GB and I've more than 35000 file, It seems to be a problem ?
16:46:18amiconnIt certainly depends on the type of music. I can clearly hear artefacts in 128kbps mp3 in many cases
16:46:19markunbmidy23: could be, I think toffe82 also had a problem with too many files for the database
16:46:33amiconnwith earbuds or speakers, doesn't matter
16:46:52bmidy23I saw that there was 2 makedb.bat batch file (1 perl and 1 java script) to generate the DB when the player is connected as USB device
16:48:04bmidy23But this script generate only one file nmed : rockbox.tagdb and when I try to generate the DB from the rockbox menu it generate 1 file and then after reboot it complete 8 steps to generate many file
16:48:49linuxstbbmidy23: It sounds like that is the script for the old database.
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16:48:56bmidy23Is there an updated makedb.bat script t generate all the database file the way Rockbox do it when I use the "Database" menu
16:49:20bmidy23linuxstb: Where could I find the new one script for the ew DB version ? tanks
16:49:46linuxstbI think the version of has been updated - it's in the tools/ directory in the Rockbox source.
16:50:03bmidy23ok thansk I'll give a try
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17:01:05Soap - pretty full spectrum.
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17:06:45linuxstbSoap: A lot better than the previous track. Have you tried amiconn's suggested "lame −−preset standard" test to see what bitrate it comes out at?
17:07:00Soapjust did, only 211
17:07:08SoapI'll keep on looking.
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17:09:23SoapI need to run to the courthouse before they close and do some research, I'll be on this later. I'll find the perfect track!
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17:09:51linuxstbSoap: We've waited two years for a set of test tracks already...
17:12:46Soaplast question - I promise.
17:13:17SoapShould I do 16/44.1 and 24/48?
17:18:31bmidy23I m back I just try the new script from th sv site, and it generate th following files: database_idx.tcd database_1.tcd ... database_5.tcd bu whenI reboot
17:18:49bmidy23and I try to go in the database it say me :"Initialize DB now" ????
17:18:51bmidy23I need some help
17:22:51linuxstbSoap: I think just stick with 16/44.1. Although the 24-bit files could be interesting for lossless.
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17:25:56bmidy23Hi all? anyone could help me ? thanks :)
17:29:06Slasheribmidy23: that perl script has not been updated to be compatible with the latest version of tagcache
17:29:27Slasheribmidy23: what kind of issues are you experiencing with usign rockbox to build the db?
17:31:25bmidy23Slashen: when I used the Rockbox to build the DB it make an error when I reboot, It start the 8 steps to end the DB building, after the first step "1/8" , It seems to be a problem size: my HD is 120GB big and I've more than 35000 mp3 files
17:33:19Slasheriis it giving any error message? do you mean it shows 1/8 and skips the rest of steps and boots into rockbox?
17:33:47bmidy23Yes it shows 1/8 and then continue to boot into rockbox without any error messages
17:36:10Slasheriinteresting.. if you are a developer, you could compile rockbox with logf to see the actual error message
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17:36:37Slasherior try the pc version of tagcache utility (needs little of coding to change it to do something useful)
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17:40:49bmidy23Slaheri: I was developping for rockbox 3 years ago, and since that time I did not come back to rockbox project again, so It will ask me too many works now, and I've no time yet
17:41:20bmidy23So if you could make a build with logf for me, ans send me it by email, I will appreciate.
17:42:38Slasheribmidy23: which one is your player?
17:43:33bmidy23I've the archos recorder V2
17:43:58Slasherioh, you have an archos :) but compiled in a minute
17:46:13bmidy23Yes I've this archos since 5 years now, If I remember , And I dream to get 1 Ippod Video with Rockbox into 1 day, but I don't know if the Ipod will be as cool as my Archos recorder : 120GB with recording feature, could it be possible ?
17:47:10Slasherii would recommend more about getting an iriver h140.. i like it way more than ipod video
17:47:16bmidy23Slahseri: my email is
17:47:20Slasheriand it can have 80GB now days
17:47:42bmidy23Is the IRiver able to record ?
17:48:26Slasheriyes, internal mic, line in and optical S/PDIF in/out
17:49:31Slasheriok, lets hope it works. I have never tried logf on archos before but it should be accessible from debug menu (write logf dump on disk and then analyze it)
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17:49:40Slasherii will mail the zip for you now
17:50:09bmidy23What about the iRiver H3x0 : seems to be cool with its color screen, but could it get a 120GB (or more) HD
17:50:14bmidy23Slaheri: Thanks
17:51:35Slasherithat might be ok as well, i have no experience of that
17:52:05Slasherihowever, i don't see actual benefit from the color screen
17:52:37Slasheriit can't be viewed without a backlight and with the backlight it consumes battery
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17:54:31Slasherii have modified my ipod build that it keeps backlight constantly on at a very low brightness so it's always readable
17:56:00badsheepyhows that affect the battery life
17:56:05badsheepydoes it completely kill it?
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17:57:02Slasherii think the battery lasts almost as long as before (that isn't so long compared with very long runtimes using h140 and 1900 mAh battery)
17:58:13bmidy23Slaheri: I m back, I will try this rockbox build, but I've a problem, I forget my charger at home, coud I use the USB cable to power my player while creating the DB, so my question is : How could I plug the UISB cable without making the player as "usb connected" ?
17:58:26badsheepyhold menu when you put it in
17:58:31badsheepyi think :o
17:58:44bmidy23I remember that some years ago it was possible to plug and push the F1or something like this ??
17:58:57Slasherisorry but i have no idea about archoses..
17:59:08bmidy23badsheepy: thanks it was that
18:00:38bmidy23Now I wait to see how this build will go with my >35000 mp3 file when rebooting to enable the DB
18:01:04bmidy23At this time : Progress= 6554 ..... need some minutes.
18:02:04badsheepythat reminds me, there should be some kind of check in the database so it doesnt crash if you build it but have no songs
18:02:23badsheepycause that confused me a bit when i first installed :)
18:03:04Slasheribadsheepy: hmm, it crashes when doing that? thanks about reporting that :D
18:03:23pixelmagot a hanging sim from this...
18:03:52bmidy23Slasheri: Now in the debug menu, I could see 2 logf options: logf/logfdump, when I m in logf at this time I could see a list of path
18:04:01bmidy23I give you some new when it completed
18:04:42Slasheribmidy23: you should use logfdump right after the db has been completed to generate /.rockbox/logf.txt file
18:05:06bmidy23Thanks all, Since the beginning I was at the rockbox project, at this time there was only the 6GB player , but the people here are always so kindly and helpfull, hat down for all.
18:05:32bmidy23progress: 9102
18:07:26amiconnbmidy23: No HDDs >80GB available for irivers or any other mp3 player with 1.8" HDD atm
18:07:33amiconn100GB HDDs are announced
18:08:23amiconnSlasheri: It doesn't crash when building with no songs (at least it didn't the last time I tried), but it doesn't become ready and tries building over and over
18:08:49amiconnI reported this a few weeks ago (tested on Ondio SP with no songs on internal and no card inserted)
18:10:22amiconnbadsheepy: On archos recorders it's precisely F1 to hold for USB power mode, but that's what acts as Menu so Menu is understandable
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18:11:01*amiconn too slow
18:13:06amiconnSlasheri: Do we know how to set backlight brightness properly on PP? Afair someone said this should be possible (without doing software PWM)
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18:27:49Slasheriamiconn: not yet. But software pwm works quite well too and frequency switching does not cause any issues
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18:28:30bmidy23A question for all: Which model currently support Rockbox software and also support 2.5" HD : Archos Jukebox recorder and ??
18:29:09Domonokyonly the archos ones have 2.5 HDs..
18:29:47Domonokyand these units are old..
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18:31:19bmidy23So it s no time to change for me , I've one Archos Jukebox Recorder v2 with a 120GB HD,
18:31:33bmidy23Domonoky which one do you have?
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18:32:13Domonokyi have an old archos studio and a newer iriver h120 :-)
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18:33:50bmidy23how much does cost a Iriver h120 ?
18:34:26Domonokythey are pretty hard to find.. and i dont know a price.
18:39:06amiconnSlasheri: Not on PP, no. But it's still nasty...
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18:42:56amiconnbmidy23: If you're looking for maximum capacity - an iriver h120 can't be upgraded to 80GB, only to 40GB
18:43:21amiconnFor 80GB you need to start with an h140
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18:45:48Shadetreehey guys. Questoin for you: If I wanted a new mp3 player (not an ipod) 30gig which is good. I was thinking zune. I have a Iaudio but it's kinda dying
18:46:19toffe82Shadetree: do you want rockbox on it ?
18:46:46Shadetreeyeah probably. I know rockbox doesn't support zune though :(
18:47:03toffe82and it will be dificult
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18:50:34DomonokyShadetree: have a look at th gigabeat X or F ..
18:51:41Shadetreeyeah. Battery life would be a big change since the iauudio had real good life. Was considering a better battery for it.
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19:20:40pixelmabluebrother: re. your forum post... iCatcher uses nedore-9 in the 160x128x2 version which isn't that big on the M5's display...
19:21:32bluebrotherok −− I had iCatcher with a rather large font in my memory. Seems it served me wrong on this ;-)
19:21:46bluebrotherbut I usually like smaller fonts
19:22:00pixelmawell nedore-9 might be big enough on the H1x0's display
19:22:29pixelmasame resolution but different dimension
19:24:53bluebrotherhmm, is the m5 screen that much smaller?
19:25:19bluebrotherI thought they are similar
19:25:50amiconnSame resolution, physically smaller
19:25:58pixelmait's quite a bit smaller, maybe we could provide a comparison pic during devcon
19:26:17amiconn...unlike th X5's screen, which is roughly the same size as the H1x0 screen (but different depth)
19:27:26bluebrotheraaah, that's the reason. I always thought the m5 is the same as the x5 but without color
19:27:39bluebrotherok, noted to my head for the next time ;-)
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19:33:11amiconnbluebrother: There are some more differences between X5 and M5 than just the display
19:33:49bluebrotherin terms of the internals or in terms of end-user visible differences?
19:34:12amiconnEnd-user visible
19:34:41pixelmaif you look through this default contest thread, you can find a pic of the M5's display showing the default wps at the beginning (in comparison to the Ondio - don't know if it tells you much)
19:34:44amiconnM5 has no radio, no USBOTG (and no serial number chip, though that's less user-visible)
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19:35:43amiconnIt has a normal USB mini-B socket where the X5 has its USBOTG socket, so you can use USB without the sub-pack
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19:36:47amiconn...and charge without the sub-pack as well; the M5 charger connects to the side USB port (does not use the standard USB +5V pin for this!)
19:36:50*pixelma has no sub pack :)
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19:41:28The-Compilercan RB play .SID-files?
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19:42:25bluebrother(on swcodec players, that is)
19:43:17The-Compilerbluebrother: The iPod is one, isn't it?
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19:44:59bmidy23Hi all, I m looking for an arabic font but a small one, I could already use the unicode.fnt but this is very big , I could only display 3 lines instead of the 6 lines whith the rockbox.fnt
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19:45:19bmidy23Could someone help me ?
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19:49:01pixelmathis page says that helv12 would be the only other included font that supports arabic but it isn't much smaller
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19:50:25ryanpghaving a weird issue with my M5, the "joystick" is very very touchy when moving to the right
19:51:13pixelmaI'm experiencing that too :\
19:51:28ryanpgpixelma, really? I thought it might be my hardware
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19:52:48pixelmait seems to be a almost common problem with the X5's/M5's joysticks - you can find a few posts in the forum about it as well
19:52:53ryanpgpixelma, it's not doing it with the iaudio firmware in your case?
19:53:08pixelmanever tried the of... ;)
19:53:10ryanpgpixelma, I'm searching the mail list for info now
19:53:53pixelmaor only for a few minutes...
19:55:07ryanpgI'm not finding much on the mail list and nothing on the forums...
19:55:17bluebrotherThe-Compiler, yes. Only archos is hwcodec.
19:56:58Shadetreeby the way do you guys know of a adapter replacement for the X5
19:57:02Shadetreesince i can't friggin find mine
19:57:26ryanpgwow, when I go to debug and check out the I/O stuff and press the joystick to the right... there's a blast of different values
19:57:43ryanpgShadetree, I built a basic one from a generic adapter
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19:58:20ryanpgit's a pretty standard plug, I found an unsoldered one at my local computer super-store
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19:58:53pixelmaryanpg: you'll find more if you search for x5 - joystick or button problems. I get quite a few hits in the forum and I remember the issue being discussed on some ml too
19:59:13ryanpgahh... yeah X5 would produce more than M5 I'm sure
19:59:42Shadetreewhat kindof generic adapter ryan
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20:00:19ShadetreeI need the piece that plugs into the bottom
20:00:26Shadetree(stupid design)
20:00:41ryanpgShadetree, yeah that's what I'm talking about... I soldered my own
20:00:58ryanpgShadetree, unfortunately I lost it, and I don't remember where I got the "pin out" schematics :(
20:01:13ryanpgShadetree, but be encouraged, if you want to do it, it _can_ be done :)
20:01:32Shadetreewell I do't mind paying $10 for that adapter lol
20:01:36Shadetreeim just trying to find it
20:01:43ryanpglol, don't blame you, I like DIY projects
20:02:21Shadetreeis that a one size only fit, I wonder if other player adapters like ipod, palm etc would fit
20:02:42ryanpgpixelma, what a bummer... looks like it is a hardware/design problem... crap... well maybe someone will write a good filter
20:02:51Shadetreesubpack for $8.99 on amazon:)
20:03:07ryanpgShadetree, it's a standard plug, IIRC I found one for a iPaq that fit :)
20:03:18pixelmaryanpg: are you suggesting that you didn't have problems with the iaudio firmware?
20:03:39ShadetreeI didn't pixel
20:03:51ryanpgpixelma, I haven't tried with the originial FW yet, I was asking if you had
20:04:10ShadetreeI didn't mind the original firmware on the iaudio at all
20:04:14Shadetreeother than the great battery life
20:04:27Shadetreeim still waiting for RB to catch up to that :)
20:05:03ryanpgpixelma, when I press to the right the values very quickly shift from "52" to "53" with intermittent bursts of seemingly random values
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20:05:51pixelmaShadetree: ? as far as I can tell rockbox is on par with the iaudio firmware regarding battery life
20:06:09Shadetree30-35 hrs claim?
20:06:17ShadetreeI have the X5L
20:06:55Shadetreewell...guess im ordering that subpack on amazon. Not much at all though $8.99
20:07:29pixelmawell my M5L almost reached 52hrs in a runtime test (without backlight though but isn't needed because of the greyscale display) :P
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20:09:15Shadetreeyeah bur urs isn't color is it?
20:09:44pixelmaas I said... :)
20:09:58ShadetreeI'll proabably have to update the the latest build
20:10:05Shadetreesince mine is probably dated last year
20:10:12Shadetreelate last year some time
20:11:08Shadetreemain problem I had with cowons firmwre for the X5 was that occasionally a white screen would come up
20:11:21Shadetreeand Id have to turn it off then turn it back on.
20:11:24Shadetreenever get that with rockbox
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20:13:35XavierGramiconn: I just bought a cheap car adapter (10 euros) with variable volt output from 1.5-12V though it doesn't have 5v segment, only 4.5 and 6 so I guess I will try to settle with the battery contacts
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20:14:02XavierGralso I just realised that if I am going to use it on my car permanently then I have to make the backlight mod
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20:14:59amiconnXavierGr: Was it you who got the old FM or Genre9pm3?
20:15:16ryanpgit would be cool if one could adjust the sensitivity to keypresses
20:15:19pixelmaif you upgrade now from this quite old build be prepared for some changes in appearance. Don't know since when the battery life is as good as it is now. The fix for the battery percentage showing correctly isn't that old, the runtime estimate is still off
20:15:40pixelma^at Shadetree
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20:16:11XavierGramiconn: I think it is me, the casing doesn't say FM on the outside
20:16:39amiconnThen you might have serious problems finding the required components for the backlight mod
20:17:12amiconnThe old FM needs a Sipex chip (SP4403), and Sipex left the EL market in 2003
20:17:51XavierGrthen I might just try to a tiny led just to see what's happening
20:18:01XavierGrthough I am not sure how much this would be achievable
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20:18:48amiconnWell, if you are going to put the Ondio hardware into a custom case, you could fit a different EL circuit
20:19:16pixelmaXavierGr: I read in the forums (archived threads) that someone just placed a EL backlight there which he could turn on/off with a switch - maybe a possibility (?)
20:20:00pixelmaso it's not rockbox dependent
20:20:15XavierGrthat was what I was thinking
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20:20:41XavierGrI will just try to grab a foil and then just power it without software control
20:21:14amiconnThe mp3 foil in pixelma's Ondio was actually from a backlight kit for a diy mp3 player
20:21:38amiconnThis kit contains the foil and an EL circuit with control input
20:21:47XavierGrI hope that my local shop will be able to provide me with a backlight foil, though maybe my chances are crude
20:22:06olle__hello ppl
20:22:15amiconnThe control input can be connected to the proper port pin on the Ondio mainboard, and hence be controlled by rockbox like the true onboard circuit would
20:22:15olle__might i write in the wiki?
20:22:54amiconnJust that this circuit wouldn't fit into the original Ondio case, even though it's quite small
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20:24:09olle__it would be nice if some OP could give me write access to the wiki
20:24:19olle__my username is OlleBergkvist
20:24:28pixelmajust a moment
20:24:59amiconnThe inverter from the kit is shown in the picture which also shows the foils
20:25:00XavierGramiconn: I was just looking at it
20:25:47pixelmaolle__: you're not gonna spam, are you? ;)
20:25:57amiconnIf you're lucky, it might still be possible to order this kit
20:26:14XavierGrit would be very hard to gather all those parts, maybe I will head for the kit
20:26:21olle__no of course not
20:26:30amiconnThey don't ship outside Sweden, but there are enough Swedes who could order it and then forward it to you...
20:26:30XavierGrelse I am going to search for an EL foil
20:26:47XavierGrmy last option will be to put in a normal LED or something like that
20:26:49olle__i will try to contribute to the E10 port and the .hex firmware decryption
20:26:54pixelmaolle__: you should have access now
20:27:03XavierGranyway thanks for the tips have to run now
20:27:32amiconnA LED won't work nicely without a proper diffusor plate
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20:30:16amiconnMeh, that always makes me want a kit for my own Ondio as well :/
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20:52:08pimpdaddypayneCan rockbox play podcasts?
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20:53:57bluebrothera podcast is a siimple mp3 file usually, so yes.
20:54:05bluebrotherunless you think of some specific format
20:54:24pimpdaddypaynevideo podcasts
20:54:38bluebrotheryou can play mpeg2 videos.
20:54:56pimpdaddypayneIt's a .mov
20:55:04bluebrotherthat's all. But you can always boot back to the apple firmware to play the videos
20:55:19bluebrothermov is not mpeg2
20:55:21pimpdaddypayneI have a nano that doesn't play videos. I use rockbox to play videos.
20:55:48bluebrotherIf you want to play videos you need to have them in mpeg2 format.
20:55:58bluebrotherif your material is something else you need to transcode.
20:56:29amiconnbluebrother: Technically, .mov can be mpeg2. .mov is just a container format like .avi
20:56:56pimpdaddypayneOh, it's a quicktime movie I guess stuff
20:57:16amiconnBut it can also be something completely different - there is a ton of different codecs which can be used in .mov's
20:57:54amiconnpimpdaddypayne: .mov *is* quicktime format, but that still doesn't tell anything about the codecs used
20:58:23bluebrotherI know mov is a container −− but mpegplayer won't play it ;-)
20:58:26pimpdaddypayneI don't know what codecs it is either.
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21:03:17amiconnpimpdaddypayne: You can check that in quicktime. But as bluebrother said, rockbx won't play .mov anyway, so you would have to convert the video
21:04:26pimpdaddypayneanyone know the pixel height and width of the nano? it's like 176x...
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21:05:51pimpdaddypaynedamn, this program won't let me use that.. says the width/height should be devided by 16
21:06:09amiconnThen use 176x128
21:06:28amiconnYou 'waste' two pixels at the top & bottom each
21:08:59pimpdaddypayneah ok
21:09:07pimpdaddypaynethis program sucks anyhow, winmpg videoconvert
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22:02:58SoapHats off to the work on IfpCryptanalysis, I love reading that stuff.
22:03:31olle__ive been digging in those source does
22:03:59SoapI was going to call you out by name, but wasn't sure of your IRC nick, now it seems so obvious. ;)
22:04:32olle__hehe yeah
22:04:53olle__i havent chosen an irc nick yet, and rockbox wiki didnt give me much of a chice ^
22:05:37olle__" those source does" wtf?? those source codes
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22:21:01billmkay67How do i play doom on my iPod? When i click on it in plugins it comes up with an error
22:21:33billmkay67it says "missing base WAD"
22:21:40billmkay67can anyone help me?
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22:22:42billmkay67is it going to take up 6.6mb on my ipod?
22:22:56TrueJournalsYou might want to read the manual ( for doom)
22:22:59TrueJournalsmost likely
22:23:17pimpdaddypayneDoes anyone know if there is a podcast folder in the apple ipod?
22:23:30pimpdaddypaynefor some reason, when ever i sync my podcasts, they never show up on the ipod
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22:27:48billmkay67how do i get .rockbox off my ipod?
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22:28:15TrueJournalsDo you want to get rid of rockbox or the .rockbox folder?
22:28:33billmkay67well i want my ipod back to normal
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22:28:40billmkay67like without rockbox
22:28:47billmkay67just plain old boring ipod
22:28:59TrueJournalsWhich iPod do you have?
22:29:18Chrononbillmkeay67, follow the directions on the Rockbox website for removing the bootloader then just delete the .rockbox folder
22:29:38TrueJournals - instructions at the very bottom of the page
22:29:45TrueJournalsThe manual is very useful
22:30:18billmkay67uh oh
22:30:22billmkay67doom froze on my ipod
22:31:07billmkay67not good!!
22:31:07Olaf1977hello does anybody know if the rockbox firmware is ported/would work on a 'Zolid Slimline' MP3 player (it's an Aldi ipod nano cloon)
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22:32:04billmkay67someone help please!!
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22:32:50ChrononThis advice was for you billmkay67: <TrueJournals> - instructions at the very bottom of the page
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22:33:22billmkay67umm that wont help unless my ipod unfreezes
22:33:36ChrononRestart your ipod using the normal keypress.
22:33:48billmkay67doesnt work
22:34:20ChrononHow long did you hold the keys for?
22:34:27billmkay6715 seconds
22:34:33billmkay67I'll try longer
22:35:15billmkay67its not working...
22:35:28TrueJournalsOlaf1977: Is it on the list of supported players on the rockbox front page?
22:35:48billmkay67god im going to die if i dont get this fixed
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22:36:23TrueJournalsbillmkay67: Are you sure you're pressing the right buttons? (I know it sounds stupid, but... it's worth making sure)
22:37:04billmkay67well im pretty sure that its the middle button and pause
22:37:19billmkay67i also just tried hitting pause button
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22:37:27billmkay67i also tried menu and center button once
22:37:39TrueJournalsI believe it's menu and center
22:37:39billmkay67nvm i got it
22:37:43billmkay67yeah it is
22:37:48billmkay67it is
22:38:03billmkay67well i just got the first gen
22:38:12billmkay67its different for second gen nano i think
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22:38:40billmkay67im taking rockbox off lol
22:38:46Olaf1977TrueJournals: no it isn't on the list
22:39:00webguest92i got a random problem
22:39:02TrueJournalsThen no, rockbox would not work with it
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22:40:10webguest92when i shutdown my rockbox and it turned itself off, it doesnt seem to turn back on
22:40:28TrueJournalswebguest92: What player do you have?
22:40:35billmkay67i suggest losing weight
22:40:37webguest92ibelieve the battery is completly dead
22:40:52webguest92but ive connected it to my computer for an 1/2 hour
22:40:56Olaf1977TrueJournals: that's a shame.
22:41:11webguest92and it still hasnt been found by the computer
22:41:28webguest92i have a ipod video, bythe way...
22:41:29TrueJournalsOlaf1977: Search the forum, maybe someone else wants a port, if there's no one else that wants a port, make a post.
22:41:36webguest92so anyanswers?
22:42:04TrueJournalswebguest92: I'm a bit confused by what you mean by "I shutdown my rockbox and it turned itsself off"... Do you mean that when you shut it down, it turned off successfully?
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22:42:21webguest92it said it was shuting down
22:42:29webguest92and it turned off
22:42:37webguest92thus meaning yes
22:42:43TrueJournalsAre you sure hold isn't on?
22:42:59Olaf1977TrueJournals: thanks, i'll do that
22:43:10TrueJournalsOlaf1977: Glad to help
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22:43:18Olaf1977TrueJournals: cheers
22:43:22badsheepymy nano dies from time to time, i cant see why cause the screen is broken, but multiple flicks of the hold switch followed by rebooting gets it back to life eventually
22:43:25webguest39how can i install rockbox in my ipod
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22:43:49TrueJournalswebguest92: Hmmm... unfortunately I don't have an iPod personally, so I can't really help. You might be right, the battery could be dead
22:43:54TrueJournalswebguest39: Read the manual
22:43:58robin0800hold select and menue untill you see the apple logo
22:44:37webguest92how long must i wait for it the charge it so that it can be found by the computer
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22:45:22TrueJournalswebguest92: It's hard to say... I'd say at least an hour. Althought robin0800's advice might be worth a shot...
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22:45:41sfajsfhlihow can i install rockbox in my ipod
22:45:51TrueJournalssfajsfhli: Read the manual
22:46:16sfajsfhliwhat is the link to the manual
22:46:53robin0800try rockbox .org
22:46:56TrueJournalssfajsfhli: Look at, click manual, look under the picture of whatever player you have, and click one of the links (If you click online, you can just read the manual online without downloading anything)
22:48:38bluebrotherit seems to be very hard to find the manual, but much easier to find the irc web client
22:48:44*bluebrother shakes head
22:48:58TrueJournalsTrue, very true
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22:49:03pixelmahehe... I was wondering just the same
22:49:19webguest92k, i'll giove it a shot
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22:49:43bluebrothermaybe making some links bold could help ... manual, current build and documentation index maybe?
22:50:06badsheepyis there anything special about the filename passed to tagcache_fill_tags, cause i cant get it to return anything but false
22:50:13webguest92k, thanks guys, it works
22:50:36TrueJournalsGlad to hear it
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22:59:41toffe82pixelma: bluebrother just change the link on the page so irc link to the manual and manual to irc :)
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23:01:05robin0800webguest92, what worked?
23:01:51pixelmatoffe82: genious :)
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23:02:49bluebrotherhmm. We could replace the link to the forums with one to the manual as well :D
23:06:18OS2_Warp_useri have an ipod video and the database quit working, and i have a bunch of random files (in the .rockbox folder), 9 of them are 2 GB in size and they wont delete and i dont know what to do
23:06:27OS2_Warp_userplease help me
23:06:43bluebrotherrun chkdsk /f on the drive
23:16:23OS2_Warp_userso how many years is this going to take over usb 1.1? :)
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23:29:01badsheepydoes dircache not work in the uisimulator?
23:29:12badsheepyi cant seem to make it turn on
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23:40:48OS2_Warp_user_i uninstalled the bootloader and it got rid of all those files
23:41:10bluebrotherI don't thnk so
23:41:36bluebrothersounds much more like problems with the filesystem to me.
23:41:47bluebrotherwhich chkdsk should have found ...
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23:57:14Hilikushey guys
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23:58:18Hilikusis there a way to have rockbox fade in when turning the player on? i have the pause/play or whatever fade in ON but it still doesnt fade in when i turn the player on. it doesnt when i pause and resume though
23:58:56Hilikusi meant, it DOES* when i pause ...

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