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#rockbox log for 2007-05-12

00:00:44Hilikusis it just because nobody has implemented it or is there some limitation that im not aware of?
00:00:59bluebrotherI think it hasn't been implemented
00:01:25Hilikusoh cool, maybe ill givi it a try
00:01:25bluebrotherbut I'm not completely sure. At least there is no limitation I could think of that could be the cause
00:01:27Hilikusthanks bluebrother
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00:21:51SoapBefore I take a shower, I'd like to ask EVERYONE who hangs out on IRC, and has a wiki account to please fill out
00:22:18Soapwhen I come back I expect everyone will have done so! ;)
00:22:44bluebrotherthat page's gonna get laaarge :)
00:23:48Soapbet you 10 (euros/dollars) no more than five people add themselves. :(
00:28:28*scorche chooses 10 euros rather than 10 dollars
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00:37:56poehey all
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04:44:26scorcheborg: not you too....
04:44:38borgi dont say much
04:44:45borgif at all :)
04:45:02scorchei know...just seems like everyone is coming in here recently =P
04:45:15borgwell, since you're in my channel
04:45:18borgi'll be in yours
04:45:28scorchetechnically, this isnt *mine*
04:45:37borgwell, ok then :)
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04:57:48grimmanHey guys! I tried downloading an unofficial iPod build a while ago, with 'cop' enabled, I seem to recall reading it was better than the regular version. Never got any sound from it though... do you know if there's anything special I need to do for it to work?
04:58:39scorchewe dont support unofficial builds
04:58:53scorchethat is why they are "unofficial"
04:58:55grimmanI know that much, but I figured maybe someone knew.
04:59:18grimmanIt is also why I pointed out it was unofficial.
04:59:36scorchewell, they could have applied a patch or edited something that messed the sound up which is why we dont support it
05:00:10grimmanI guess. Hasn't been updated in a while though, so I kinda assumed he had it going nicely.
05:00:16borglol @ unofficial
05:02:38grimmanWhat's so funny?
05:04:24grimmanOh sure.
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05:14:11HellDragonborg: do you use rockbox on any device ?
05:18:24borgi dont even know what rockbox is
05:19:19HellDragonopensource jukebox firmwares for devices like ipods and irivers
05:20:05*scorche sighs at borg
05:20:21borgi'm too lazy to look scorche :(
05:20:30grimmanThen what is the point of being here? -_-
05:20:42borgi like to take up space
05:20:45HellDragongrimman: friendship
05:20:47borgand lurk
05:21:18grimmanHellDragon: And wtf is that?
05:21:31HellDragoni dont know
05:21:34*HellDragon eyes borg
05:22:35borgfriendship? what is it? nobody will ever know...
05:22:56scorcheenough of the off-topic chat...
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05:24:32HellDragonyeah lets be serious
05:27:32borginternets is serious business
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05:46:20grimmanThe bootloader install is just stupidly easy now.
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06:00:59Shadetreealways has been for me
06:01:15Shadetreejust overwrite heh. But then I remember I have to redo my settings :(
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06:09:14grimmanShadetree: I recall having to dump the firmware and patch it. :P
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06:45:26webguest15will rockbox on a sansa e200 play mpeg videos
06:45:38webguest15or any videos other than .mov
06:45:54scorcheit will play mpeg2 videos
06:46:37webguest15those are smaller than .mov right?
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06:46:50scorcheit depends how you format it
06:47:06webguest15ok, well worth a try
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06:47:25webguest15one last thing, when dual booting can you select which one as teh default firmware
06:47:32HellDragonwebguest15: i dont think so
06:48:06webguest15sigh, i was hoping you could because i think it might be too technical for my wife to use
06:48:25HellDragonjust tell her to push the hold button when it boots
06:48:36webguest15well thanks for the help
06:48:38HellDragonif my mother managed to understand the concept of a SD card in 2 weeks, she can
06:48:39scorcheit is a switch ;)
06:49:00joshinYou can dual boot and I'm pretty sure that if you build your own firmware, you can set the original Sandisk OS as the default
06:49:12webguest15you mean the left button
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06:49:33joshinI have yet to actually put Rockbox on my sansa as I've been experimenting with it on my Gigabeat F player.
06:49:33scorchewebguest15: he was thinking of ipods
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06:50:01webguest15seems like a cool thing to try out
06:50:18webguest15i am a linux guy so i think i should be able to handel alternative firmware on my player
06:51:08joshinFamous last words... :D
06:51:10webguest15anything i should know before i try it
06:51:21scorchewebguest15: read the manual
06:51:27joshinRead it twice.
06:51:37webguest15ya i was looking through it some
06:51:41scorcheyou will find out who is naughty or nice
06:52:01webguest15the bugs in usb connection seemed a little naughty
06:52:21webguest15mpeg support seems kinda nice
06:52:30joshinI'm waiting for USB connectivity to work on the e200 series before loading it on mine
06:52:53webguest15you think that would work out soon?
06:53:17webguest15i am traveling over the summer in like a month so basically i got to have anything set up before i leave and wont be able to change it up much then
06:53:58joshinOne does not predict the coding progress of open source projects unless one is the coder. Doing otherwise is an exercise in futility.
06:54:28webguest15.... unless there is a release scedule
06:54:35scorchethere isnt
06:54:56scorchewe learned that lesson a while back =P
06:55:14joshinrelease schedule... Ha. webguest15, you have a great sense of humo(u)r. :)
06:55:30webguest15well we do it with linux a lot.....
06:55:38webguest15well maybe not a lot but sometimes
06:55:44joshinkeep going...
06:56:04webguest15linux is an kernel, this is firmware, not that different when you thik about it
06:56:25webguest15except firmware integrates with hardware more closely
06:56:27joshinQuick, when will the open source ATI/AMD drivers be able to do full acceleration?
06:56:33webguest15kernel more software component
06:56:36scorchewell, we have a kernel too of course
06:56:47joshinWere that the hardware documented then you might be right.
06:56:53webguest15you mean 3d acceleration
06:57:20joshinAnd x86/amd64 isa/pci/pci express is quite well documented.
06:57:28webguest15they estimate it soon, but amd usually falls late on driver releases
06:58:07*scorche 's off-topic sense is tingling
06:58:12joshinI bet that Rockbox will support USB transfers on the e200 before full 3d support is working on the ati/AMD video driver.
06:58:31webguest15hope so
06:58:33joshinsorry scorche, just trying to explain the difficulties
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06:58:47webguest15so when doing tranfers with the sansa you would have to load the original firmware first?
06:59:21joshinI know that I have no guess as to when I'm going to figure out and get the FM tuner on the Sansa working... or if someone will get it working before me.
07:01:07webguest15well it seems like you do good work, dont sweat the time
07:01:15webguest15i am a poor programer really
07:02:00joshinI've done no committed work yet and deserve no credit. I am just hacking away and trying to remember how to code...
07:03:09webguest15what language is this stuff in usually
07:03:22scorcherockbox is in C
07:04:21webguest15cool, one i know most yet still not a lot
07:04:30webguest15still a college freshman
07:05:29webguest15k, thanks for all the help and good conversation
07:05:33webguest15c you all later
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08:09:08amiconnjhMikeS: There's something fishy in your new versions of queue_wait() and queue_wait_w_tmo()
08:09:43amiconnThey disable IRQs unconditionally at the top, and a second time based on whether the queue is empty...
08:13:17jhMikeSsecond time?
08:14:09jhMikeSset_irq_level_and_block_thread(_w_tmo) reenable them _after_ the scheduler is finished with the list
08:15:42amiconnOh, hmm
08:15:56*amiconn wonders whether the scheduler really needs to be that complicated
08:18:23amiconnHmm, lock_cores() and unlock_cores() are a waste the way they are right now
08:19:14amiconnThey're empty functions and defined inline in thread.c, but they're not static, so every call to them from other modules (like kernel.c) calls the non-static version
08:19:43amiconn..also on single-core targets
08:19:51jhMikeSthe patch you used simplifies it all using a system queue for that and deal with the issue you just mentioned
08:20:14jhMikeSon single core they're just #define'd empty
08:22:19amiconnAnd on dual core they are empty functions... wonder why they're there...
08:22:48amiconnYou disabled the warning, hence I think they're not needed at all
08:24:34jhMikeSguess I could dump them for now to clean up...I was thinking about actually just putting in dual core for the ones that work but the PP5020 has to keep chaning the cpsr register or the IRQs just die and the cores never wake
08:26:15amiconnAt least they should go into thread.h if they should be inline (and of defined as static inline there)
08:27:05*amiconn wonders what's up with the PP5020
08:27:11jhMikeSyes, for now. some calls are in the wrong place anyway
08:27:37amiconnI must say that I didn't understand much from your mails regarding PP and interrupts
08:28:25jhMikeSlike I said, interrupts. the dual core patch version that kept changing cpsr would actually run, when IRQs die, things stop at the splash because that's where it will stay if core just go to sleep for good
08:28:52*amiconn wonders how the OF on PP50200 targets handles interrupts
08:29:13jhMikeSwas having a heck of a time getting through it...some things I was concluding were actually the result of what I was doing and not how it works :)
08:29:53*amiconn thinks jhMikeS should get a PP5020 target :)
08:30:20jhMikeSas soon as I can ... they seem pricer than I'd like for a test bed
08:30:33amiconnIf you don't want an ipod, get a H10
08:30:45jhMikeSeven those seem to have a premium
08:30:48amiconnThen you could also make the radio work :)
08:31:29jhMikeSI actually want to consolidate all this pp stuff from various parts and actually get rid of the "majic numbers" and make sense of the stuff
08:32:17jhMikeSshould be doable to a degree anyway
08:33:46jhMikeS /firmware/target/arm/system-pp502x.c line 175 gives some details on the oddness
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08:39:29ShadetreeI wonder how long before rockbox gets ported to the zune
08:40:29*jhMikeS wonders why as3514 regiser 0x15 randomly reads 0x00 or 0x38 and may be unsettable :\
08:42:23*jhMikeS engages in more portal probing
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08:58:53jhMikeSoy, there's stuff being done on sansa just because it's done on an ipod :\
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09:13:11BigBambiHi, anyone fancy shutting a couple of flyspray tasks for me?
09:13:24BigBambi has been fixed in svn and was a duplicate of it
09:15:24jhMikeSthe as3514 reset needs some delays or the registers are garbage filled
09:19:55daurnimatorgday all
09:21:17david1where is the best place to buy a thoshiba gigabeat?
09:21:34amiconnBigBambi: done.
09:21:53BigBambiamiconn: Thanks. Just trying not to clog up flyspray too much!
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09:43:38*amiconn wonders what architecture this player is based on:
09:43:54*HellDragon bets on arm
09:44:06amiconnAs small as a Nano, available up to 8GB, and unlike the nano it does have a radio
09:44:44HellDragonand it plays video
09:45:03amiconnWell, the nano also plays video in rockbox
09:46:02scorchewow...looks like original firmwares are learning =)
09:48:27amiconnIn what way?
09:49:45HellDragonin the way a 5 years old baby would learn
09:50:23scorchethat one supports both ogg and flac, user customizable EQ, "folder management", xvid....just a lot of features that devices before it did not support
09:50:41scorchebut what i dont get, is that it doesnt list MP3 in supported formats, and yet it records to MP3
09:50:55HellDragonhmmm nethack on rockbox would be cool
09:51:09scorcheHellDragon: it has been talked the forums
09:51:21HellDragoni'm just thinking about things
09:51:38HellDragonan incorporated beer cooler would be fine too
09:51:48amiconnscorche: It does.. under specification
09:52:09scorcheoh...heh...missed that
09:52:23amiconnExact same screen resolution as a nano.. ts ts
09:52:45amiconnOne *might* think this is on purpose...
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10:02:38scorcheamiconn: it seems like all i can find is: , but it really isnt good enough to read anything
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10:07:45BHSPitMonkeyhaven't there been delves into IR transmissions through the audio port?
10:08:02scorcheBHSPitMonkey: joely seems to be working on that
10:08:57BHSPitMonkeyit'd bring new meaning to DAP remotes
10:09:58scorcheamiconn: i take that back
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10:14:43JdGordonit only took, what 6 months? but we are back with a full green row :)
10:15:36scorcheamiconn: even better
10:16:11BHSPitMonkeyJdGordon, we have a release!
10:16:21pixelmawith cheating...
10:16:36JdGordonjhMikeS just removed the warning? not actually fixed it?
10:16:56pixelmathat I don't know but I'm thinking of rombox
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10:17:22JdGordonah :)
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10:18:02linuxstb_JdGordon: Checking the diffs, jhMikeS just commented out the #warning, so I assume it's not fixed.
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10:18:31linuxstb_But that's probably a good thing - we don't put #warnings in the code for every known problem.
10:21:02amiconnHeh, then we'd have lots of yellow and red
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10:25:37scorcheamiconn: there is also
10:25:55scorcheit appears it is the same processor that is in the iriver e10
10:26:37linuxstb_Is that a telechips?
10:27:05scorchelooks like it is also in the iriver clix
10:27:15linuxstb_So almost certainly ARM I would expect.
10:27:26scorcheit says ARN on the chip ;)
10:27:43*linuxstb_ looks at the link now...
10:28:36linuxstb_And a UDA1380...
10:28:59scorchethe last link i posted sooms to tell everything
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10:29:52scorchethe screen basically *is* the nano screen, so they have much more in common than the resolution
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10:35:01amiconnHmm, uda :/
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10:37:17scorcheyeah...they went cheap on the DAC..
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11:16:19schulahm, i got today my new sandisk e280, and just installed rockbox, but after changing the theme i go up in the menu and then there always comes an data abort
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11:18:53juxtaphow's the video quality on that thing?
11:20:25schulait looks good, but i just looked at the videos from sandisk, and its my first mp3 player with color display :)
11:22:01nlsschula: please fill out a bug report with as much details as possible about the data abort issue
11:22:08juxtapi really like those players. wanna swap for an ipod 5g?
11:22:53schulahm, atm i cant reproduce it...
11:24:10nlsoh, it's one of those "fun" things :-)
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11:24:25nlswhat did you do to trigger it the first time
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11:25:09schulanls: just got into themes, selected one and gone back using the left key and tried the nice blue scroll wheel
11:27:20schula.oO(yeah rockbox seems to be really cool)
11:28:05CelticSoulguys, I know this may be the wrong place to ask but is .wv a lossless wavepack file? if yes, what about .wvc?
11:28:56linuxstbCelticSoul: .wv can be either lossy or lossless. A ".wvc" is a "correction file" so if you have both .wv and .wvc then the .wv will be lossy by itself, but the combination of .wv and .wvc is lossless.
11:29:05DarthShrineDoes anybody have the iAudio X5?
11:29:29linuxstbCelticSoul: But Rockbox doesn't support .wvc files.
11:30:25CelticSoulI only have one wv file, how do I test if it's lossless?
11:30:59linuxstbCelticSoul: I don't know, but the bitrate (displayed in Rockbox) should give you a clue..
11:31:38CelticSoulit's 360MB file, when unpacked it's 800MB wave file bitrate is 1411Kbps
11:32:23CelticSoulso it's lossless?
11:32:27linuxstbThen it's most likely lossless. I've never used them, but I would expect the official wavpack tools would tell you for sure if it's lossy or lossless.
11:33:00Llorean360mb compressed, 800 un, doesn't sound lossless
11:33:14LloreanWell, maybe
11:33:25LloreanIsn't 635 a little low for wavpack lossless bitrates though?
11:33:31LloreanThough it's a bit high for lossy too.
11:34:15linuxstbIt depends on the source file. I agree it's a low bitrate for lossless, but I would still guess lossless.
11:34:54LloreanYeah, I guess it does seem the most likely of the two.
11:35:00CelticSouli'm tired of messing with all this lossly and lossless stuff, there are fake lossless files everywhere
11:35:26LloreanThe only source you can ever trust is yourself.
11:35:31linuxstbCelticSoul: What kind of music is it?
11:35:40CelticSoulClassical music
11:35:49linuxstbAn official recording?
11:36:08CelticSoulbut people still make fake lossless file for classical music
11:36:21CelticSoulyeah official one
11:37:02linuxstbYou could always open it up in an audio editor and check for signs of lossy compression - e.g. see if there's any audio above around 16KHz.
11:37:47CelticSoulwavepack does cut the frequency too? as mp3...?
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11:37:55linuxstbAnd trust your ears - if it sounds good to you, then there's no real problem.
11:38:34CelticSoulthe thing is I dont have the lossless file to refer to
11:39:11MonkeyTamerhmm.. I'm playing around a bit with the gigabeat, and noticing a substantially longer shutdown time. I did play with a patch, but upon using a clean build, the prolonged shutdown time remains
11:41:39linuxstbCelticSoul: I've just tried "wvunpack" (the command-line wavpack decoder) and typing "wvunpack -s filename.wv" shows you info about the file, including if it is lossy or lossless. But of course that only tells you about the wavpack encoding, not the previous life of the file.
11:42:35CelticSoullinuxstb: thanks a lot :)
11:43:03CelticSoulthe last step is to check the frequency cut
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11:44:22MonkeyTameralso, the rockbox logo screen periodically changes between a black background and a white one
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11:46:11MonkeyTamerone thing to try with verifying lossless files is a program called audiochecker
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11:46:24MonkeyTamerit's not always totally accurate, but it does a reasonable job
11:47:08MonkeyTamerit only works with ape, cds, and flac however
11:48:24linuxstbAnd Shorten, LPAC and WAV...
11:48:41schulahm, is it possible to attach a usb cable and move the files while rockbox is running?
11:48:54nlsschula: no
11:49:05schula*g* ok :)
11:49:52nlsschula: rockbox doesn't support usb on sansas, ipods and the iriver h10 yet, they all use similar hardware
11:50:37schulaoh, sorry, didnt remember
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12:09:27MonkeyTameranyone else with a gigabeat happen to notice very long shutdown times while shutting down within a period of a minute or so?
12:10:59LloreanThere were shutdown problems for a little while. Which SVN revision are you running?
12:11:05MonkeyTamerthe most current
12:11:23MonkeyTamerit didn't affect me with a build from a couple of days ago
12:11:28MonkeyTamerI just updated
12:11:41LloreanPlease just tell me which SVN revision it reports
12:11:51MonkeyTamersure, one second
12:12:05LloreanPerhaps you updated wrong? Or perhaps you downloaded the daily, or your webserver had a proxy cache of some sort, or any number of other things
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12:13:44MonkeyTamerdarn; to be honest, I was playing with 7113, to see how it would effect boot time, and I can't seem to get the build totally clean
12:14:16LloreanUsually the best way to try a clean build is to just download it...
12:14:30MonkeyTamerI had tried that, but I am getting some weird quirks
12:15:26LloreanWell if you overwrite all files, it's completely clean.
12:15:41MonkeyTamerappears better now
12:15:50MonkeyTamerperhaps I had overwritten incorrectly
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12:16:25MonkeyTamerthe shutting down seems to still be affected; only when shutting down within a period of about a minute or so
12:16:50MonkeyTamerotherwise it goes quickly
12:16:55LloreanDo you have database auto-update or anything on?
12:17:01LloreanOr possibly dircache
12:17:28LloreanShutdown has to wait for the disk to be inactive, which may not be the case immediately after bootup for a variety of reasons.
12:17:33MonkeyTamerI haven't configured anything yet; the settings should be default; would you know any reason why the gigabeat logo, as in the original green/white logo would be gone?
12:18:03LloreanIt's still sleeping, perhaps.
12:18:07LloreanA side-effect of that patch
12:18:19LloreanTry unplugging power, turning off the battery switch, counting to 10, and then turning it back on.
12:18:34MonkeyTamerI'll give it a shot
12:19:33MonkeyTamerthere we go, no wonder it was acting quirky
12:20:07MonkeyTamerthanks for the assistance
12:20:36LloreanThat patch changes some of the bootup behaviour, and apparently that isn't cleaned up quite as simply as just putting on an SVN build
12:20:55MonkeyTamernow it works perfectly fine
12:21:10MonkeyTamerdefinitely quite buggy overall
12:21:17MonkeyTamerthe patch that is
12:21:46MonkeyTamerit also results in a lack of backlight for a good 30 seconds or so
12:22:13LloreanWell it is supposed to merely be a proof of concept, for now
12:23:01MonkeyTamerit's a nice concept; hopefully one effect will be a shorter duration for holding the power button
12:23:27LloreanActually, that's solved in a different manner
12:23:43LloreanIt's possible to reflash the actual firmware bootloader.
12:23:55LloreanThere's even an experimental patched one that requires a shorter press, I believe.
12:24:08MonkeyTamerby the same person is it not?
12:24:24LloreanTo be honest, I don't pay attention to who does what most of the time, just that things get done
12:24:32MonkeyTamerfair enough
12:24:35LloreanSo much tends to be going on around here, I have a hard time keeping straight all that I manage to anyway.
12:25:22MonkeyTameryes, this is one project that really has something going on somewhere sometime at any given point
12:26:06MonkeyTamerone day just some code policing, the next day massive changes to mpegplayer
12:30:26MonkeyTamerAnyways, I am off to bed; I appreciate your help Llorean.
12:30:53markunMonkeyTamer: I also have some problems with slow shutdown
12:31:01MonkeyTamerdo you?
12:31:05markunat least while something is trying to access the HDD
12:31:18MonkeyTamerno patches tho right?
12:31:39markunmaybe I will look into it when it starts to bother me enough :)
12:31:46markunanyway, sweet dreams
12:31:59MonkeyTameryes; it only seemed to affect me primarily when using shoora's patch
12:32:13MonkeyTamerit makes it load up faster
12:32:17MonkeyTamerbut shutdown is a crawl
12:32:31markunbut I didn't look at his patch yet
12:32:49MonkeyTamerit has some noticeable bugs with the LCD driver
12:33:08markunI though it only made some changes to the bootloader in flash
12:33:18MonkeyTamerFS 7113
12:33:26MonkeyTamerit's a bit different
12:34:15MonkeyTamerI don't honestly understand all of what it describes
12:35:12MonkeyTamerit seems promising as a proof of concept, but so far two bugs are unfavorable
12:35:26linuxstbmarkun: Talking about the gigabeat LCD driver, I was wondering if the complication was worthwhile. e.g. the use of DMA for lcd_clear_display instead of simply calling memset16 like all other targets.
12:35:27MonkeyTamerthe backlight doesn;t initialize for about 30 seconds
12:36:34markunlinuxstb: because of code size?
12:36:43linuxstbmarkun: Just simplicity - i.e. KISS
12:37:01markunyes, perhaps
12:37:25linuxstbThere seems to be problems with it as well - e.g. the background colour sometimes staying black after leaving mpegplayer.
12:37:25markunwould it be an idea to use DMA for big memset/moves?
12:37:46markunafter leaving any plugin in fact
12:38:17linuxstbmarkun: That would be the better way - then all parts of Rockbox could benefit (if it is indeed a benefit)
12:40:43markunlinuxstb: just a problem when 2 threads try to do it
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12:42:09amiconnThe mem* functions are expected to be synchronous
12:42:18linuxstbThat shouldn't be an issue, unless done from interrupts - the DMA wait doesn't yield.
12:42:39amiconnThey are used from interrupts afaik
12:43:20amiconnAt least there is nothing obvious that forbids it, so coders will use it
12:43:52amiconnKeep in mind that e.g. tick tasks are running in interrupt context
12:44:28linuxstbBut should they be doing large mem* operations anyway?
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12:44:45linuxstbBut I agree it's a dangerous thing to introduce.
12:45:28linuxstbmarkun: Did anyone benchmark the difference between DMA and our ARM-optimised mem* functions?
12:45:51linuxstbI've got a feeling we didn't have ARM versions at the time the gigabeat port was merged.
12:46:14amiconnNot large ones, no
12:46:33amiconnBut a few KB are probably okay
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12:47:22amiconnInterrupts aside, handling DMA mem* functions would still be difficult, if we want to get the benefit and yield while the DMA is running
12:47:34markunlinuxstb: during a DMA transfer you can continue with other things, so that should be take into account during the benchmark, right?
12:47:38amiconnThen you need to handle the case when another thread also wants to use it
12:48:03markunamiconn: that last part was what I was trying to say
12:48:16markunbefore you told me they would be synchronous
12:48:41amiconnYes, you can make them fully synchronous, i.e. not yield
12:48:59amiconnBut then there would only be a benefit if the DMA engine is actually faster than the CPU
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12:49:28amiconnYou wouldn't run into the multiple threads problem this way, but interrupts are still an issue
12:49:40amiconnCertainly quite the opposite of KISS...
12:49:43daurnimatorJdGordon: you here?
12:50:27linuxstbmarkun: Yes, you can do other things, but the lcd_clear_display() DMA loop doesn't yield.
12:52:44markunlinuxstb: I would say replace it with memset and then we can always experiment with DMA improvements of the mem* functions
12:53:44linuxstbmarkun: I was hoping someone else would... I wouldn't really want to remove it without doing some speed comparisons of the old and new.
12:55:28markunlinuxstb: ok, I put it on my todo :)
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12:55:55markunbut you probably have a faster result by trying to convince jhMikeS to do it ;)
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12:55:57preglowlinuxstb: started on the wav writing?
12:56:22linuxstbI've also just noticed an ARM-optimised lcd_bitmap_transparent_part() in the gigabeat driver. That looks like it should work on all ARM targets unless I'm misunderstanding it...
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12:57:03linuxstbpreglow: A little, but it looks like I'll be duplicating a lot of the DSP code in the plugin, so maybe I should try and use the DSP code instead - but I'm not familiar with it...
12:57:20preglowjust the parts you need, or all of it?
12:58:18linuxstbIt's the conversions from the output of the audio codecs into WAV format - so I could just use the DSP functions to convert to a common format, then convert from that to WAV.
12:58:53linuxstbBut maybe it's just easier to do it in the plugin. But you also said you wanted to be able to test the DSP code...
12:59:27linuxstbAlthough I've been wondering if a separate test_dsp plugin would be better.
12:59:41preglowi'm starting to wonder about that too
12:59:53preglowif i want to bench dsp, it really doesn't make much sense to do it while decoding something
12:59:58preglowunless, of course, i want to check the output
13:00:21linuxstbtest_dsp could also write a WAV file.
13:00:28linuxstb(but always take WAV as input)
13:02:14preglowwhat's the number after a viewers.config entry mean?
13:02:30linuxstbpreglow: Regarding the WAV writing, how should I convert the output from the lossy codecs to WAV? I'm guessing I need to clip? i.e. shift to 16-bit samples and then clip?
13:02:36linuxstbpreglow: It's the icon number
13:03:07preglowshift then clip, yes
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13:12:38preglowmpegplayer still doesn't like tomal's dct patch, i see
13:12:51preglowwhat needs to be done for that to work?
13:12:57preglowsome iram juggling?
13:12:59linuxstbNo, but you have the opportunity to put #ifndef MPEGPLAYER around things
13:13:27linuxstbThat answered your first sentence...
13:14:31preglowyes, but i was kind of thinking of having it commited
13:14:37preglowbenching it now
13:15:54preglowoh, so you mean like stuffing #ifndef MPEGPLAUER around tomal's new parts?
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13:17:37preglowa 235kbps file went from 179.89% realtime to 197.58% realtime
13:17:39preglownot bad, not bad at all
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13:18:14preglowi'd also like to test how large the differences in decoded result are
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13:20:22linuxstbpreglow: I'm going out now, but I'll try and do the wav-writing later today.
13:20:52preglowsure, no rush
13:20:55preglowgotta go soon anyway
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13:21:25linuxstbIt could be useful to test some of the IRAM optimisations individually - to see if any of them are removable.
13:22:06linuxstbIIRC, icode doesn't make very much (if any) difference on portalplayer.
13:22:15linuxstbAnd the gigabeat doesn't have iram...
13:22:38markunlinuxstb: don't forget about the 4kB :)
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13:25:41preglowdo you use that?
13:25:51markunpreglow: no
13:32:26preglowsounds like a nice place to keep memcpy and memset, heh
13:32:49linuxstbWon't Rolo need to live there as well?
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14:23:03LearA suggestion for a new bookmark selection screen can be seen here:
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14:53:34schulahm, is there something like reset when en error occoured in rockbox?
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14:57:22obowhich target?
14:58:17schulasandisk e200
14:58:49oboI think holding down power for 15-20 seconds will force a shutdown...
14:59:45JdGordonLear: hey, your bookmark patch looks good, can you finish it so it can be commiteD?
14:59:57JdGordon1000x better than the current screen :)
15:00:21LearFirst positive comment so far. :)
15:00:34JdGordontohers dont like it?
15:01:05LearThe other ones were about not liking how "2-line" lists look, especially with arrow line selector...
15:01:06*schula likes it, but im just a novice
15:01:14moosLear: looks better here too, +1 :)
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15:01:49JdGordonLear: well, they do look crap with the arrow selector... but that could be fixed easily...
15:02:05*JdGordon mucked aronud with only showing the title for unselected items, but failed miserably
15:02:17LearNot sure about how to buffer the file though, if it would be a good idea to use the plugin buffer...
15:04:10JdGordonand audio buffer if you cant get plugin buffer...
15:04:22JdGordonor maybe not :p
15:10:20preglowlooks good
15:10:35bluebrotherLear, the playlist position in the bookmark list looks somewhat strange
15:10:59bluebrotherhow about putting it the other way round? <pos>. <time>?
15:11:11*JdGordon seconds ^
15:11:37bluebrotherbut otherwise it's great. I always disliked the current screen.
15:12:01LearI've tested both orders, but couldn't really decide. :)
15:12:46bluebrotherwhen I saw the screenshot I first was wondering what the number should tell and went reading the thread on the ml ;)
15:13:02LearWith the current order, it can't really be mixed up with the bookmark count (which might maybe should be removed...).
15:13:50JdGordonwhat about title, time then shuffle and positio on the next line?
15:13:59bluebrotherhmm. The bookmark count isn't needed imo
15:15:18bluebrotherwouldn't that look like a waste if you never use shuffle?
15:15:50*JdGordon would be happy with 1 line / bmark
15:16:02bluebrotherhow about "title (shuffled)"?
15:16:35bluebrotherdon't forget about small size screens −− it will be most likely annoying if you'd always have to wait for the line to scroll
15:16:57JdGordon<title> then <time> Pos:<pos> (shuffled)
15:17:01bluebrotheryou could of course auto-adjust that ;-)
15:17:16bluebrotherif it doesn't fit into one line make it two
15:17:41JdGordonnot so easy, what if one fits in 1 line, but te next needs 2?
15:18:17bluebrotherthen you need to make all 2
15:18:36JdGordonright, but how would you know one needs more than 1 line?
15:18:46JdGordonunless all are read before the list starts bing drawn
15:19:25bluebrotherright. That might be an issue
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15:23:40JdGordonwhere else are 2 item lists used?
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15:28:20bluebrotherthe id3 viewer uses one.
15:29:23JdGordonLear: why are you getting it to scroll every line? not just he selected one?
15:30:06LearDon't ask me. :) I just use the list, not doing anything special, afaik.
15:31:28JdGordonyou copied it from the id3 viewer?
15:31:38*JdGordon thinks all lists shuold only scroll the selected item
15:31:47JdGordonand that parameter be removed fro the iit call
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15:32:15LearThat or the playlist viewer...
15:32:50LearWhat param?
15:32:57JdGordon2nd last one sets that
15:33:15LearAh, so that's what scroll_all does...
15:33:58*JdGordon just found that out also :p
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15:34:53JdGordondo we want t only show the cursor for the first item in a multi-select list?
15:35:06*JdGordon did the quick fix to allow that
15:35:15JdGordonlists looks better imo with that than 2 arrows
15:37:21JdGordonamiconn: you round?
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15:40:17ViljarHey, i recently found this program, logoswapper to change rockbox bootlogo, but when i'm trying to swap the logo, then i get "Error: bmp2rb-r.exe is not a vailid Win32 application" Is there some way to fix it, or some other way ti change bootlogo?
15:41:42ViljarLogoSwapper.exe creates this bmp2rb-r.exe during the process.. and i have redownloaded it.
15:42:01ViljarI mean logoswapper, not bmp2rb-r.exe..
15:43:59*JdGordon doesnt know... thats odd
15:44:08JdGordonbtw we don support logoswappr here
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15:45:03ViljarI know, but is there some other way to change logo?
15:45:08*nls doesn't even know what it's supposed to do that cant be done by changing the bmp and recompiling
15:46:09JdGordonsome people cant compile..
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15:47:12nlsViljar: if you can compile, just change the rockboxlogo bmp with the correct resolution in apps/bitmaps/native
15:49:03ViljarSo, this means that i have to download source and do the changing in there and recompile, right?
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15:50:12LearNeat, simple buffering works now... Better test it more though. :)
15:50:52ViljarOkay, i haven't done that before, but i'll take a look, thanks!
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15:55:52SiltaarWould it be possible to use Rockbox OS to make a router ?
15:56:37JdGordonanything is posible...
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15:56:48SiltaarIf Rockbox is fast and light it could be a good idea, and it would be a strengh for Internet to have something else than Cisco and HP routers...
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15:58:07bluebrotherfeel free to write a network stack ...
15:58:45bluebrotherbut I guess you'll be better looking around for other solutions, like those replacement firmwares for linksys routers and similar
15:59:03Siltaar(I see, I see : dreaming student thought)
16:02:37JdGordonbluebrother: what you rekon about only showing 1 cursor for a multi-line item?
16:04:04bluebrotherwhen using the inverted bar as cursor only hilighting one line might look a bit strange
16:04:24bluebrotherwhile with the cursor icon it most likely would be better, so ...
16:05:26JdGordononly the cursor is changes, inverted still inverts bnoth lines
16:07:10bluebrotherI rarely use the cursor, but when I tried I found it somewhat strange that there are two > marks in the id3 viewer
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16:26:18LearBuffering seems to work... Only slightly bad about the currently implementation is that list wrapping always forces a load (unless all fits in the buffer).
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16:51:05scorcheah....bagder is on vacation, isnt he...
16:53:46moosturkish vacation IIRC :-)
16:54:25mooslucky him...
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17:19:39AlteredsEgoerrr who do I have to bug on here to get write permissions for wiki?
17:20:05barrywardellAlteredsEgo: what's your wiki name?
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17:21:18barrywardellyou should now have write permission :)
17:21:52AlteredsEgothank you very much <is somewhat surprised at how little bugging that required>
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17:22:50linuxstb_AlteredsEgo: Anyone with write access to the wiki can give others write access, so there's normally always someone around to do it.
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17:42:35MattCampbellCan Rockbox do crossfading?
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17:44:52bluebrothersee the manual, Chapter "General Settings", section "Playback"
17:55:08ViljarHey, you'll probably laugh your asses off, but can someone explain me step 3 here?
17:55:39bluebrotherwhat platform are you using for compiling?
17:55:49Viljarwindows xp
17:55:55bluebrothercygwin or vmware?
17:56:51ViljarI'm not sure..
17:57:19bluebrotherare you running vmware or vmware player?
17:57:40bluebrotheror do you have a simple black box that looks exactly like the cmd window?
17:58:53ArathisIs there any plan to support png or jpg or even mng or gif for wps' ? or did I miss something and it already is?
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17:59:27linuxstb_Arathis: What reason would there be?
17:59:28bluebrotherArathis, there are no plans that I know of. The images need to be converted, and that can be done more effeciently on the pc.
17:59:59Arathiswhy do they need to be converted?
18:00:37RedbrevaAnyone like to give me some feedback on - it's only UI code so far, but am I going the right way before I get to involved in the more complex code?
18:00:43bluebrotherpng and jpg use some way of compressing the images to save space. But for displaying you need to uncompress that again
18:00:48Arathislinuxstb_: just because of size matters. okay, wps images aren't that big anyway, I know. just wonderd though
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18:02:01bluebrotherRedbreva, what exactly do you want to have feedback? Looks nice so far.
18:02:02Arathisbluebrother: ah, okay. didn't know about the uncompression. year's of working with gimp and I didn't know that. shame on me ..
18:02:36linuxstb_Arathis: Also, a 1 byte image and a 32KB image will all take the same space on the disk (assuming the common 32KB cluster size)
18:03:21Arathispoint taken
18:03:43RedbrevaIs the page with the SOAP / NO SOAP logo clear enough for new users? BTW, if anyone has a better idea for patched/no soap logo I am happy to listen
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18:04:46bluebrotherhmm, how about adding a count of themes to the overview page?
18:05:50bluebrotherare Soap-approved themes intended to be all CC-licensed?
18:06:39bluebrothermaybe making the "Soap-approved" logo a link to a description about what that approval is ;-)
18:06:42SoapThat hasn't been discussed much yet.
18:06:44RedbrevaNot sure, but it seemed a good option... They are creative works rather than code
18:07:00Soaplicense, that is.
18:07:37Redbrevathe link..! That's what I was trying to remember .... !!
18:07:44bluebrotheralso, adding the license information to every theme would be good. But I guess that is already planned ;-)
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18:09:23RedbrevaThe licence info is currently only on files that have been submitted via the site, with the approval to the licence as part of the commit...
18:10:11bluebrotheryou could add a filter on the license as well
18:10:15linuxstb_What about themes where the author clearly doesn't own the copyright to the images - things like cartoon characters, game characters or itunes/wmp/winamp clones?
18:10:33bluebrotheri.e. show only themes with a cc license per default, and add a "show all" button
18:11:20ArathisRedbreva: what about a top 30/10 for each player? I can only find global charts atm
18:12:30RedbrevaAt the moment, player based stats are difficult to compile, as there is no database behind the site... :-(
18:13:04RedbrevaI extract the global stats from the server logs provided by the ISP
18:13:05bluebrotherhow do you compile the stats anyway?
18:13:07linuxstb_No database is a good thing though IMO.
18:13:44RedbrevaI scrape the page with the ISP stats on into Excel, run a macro which exports the HTML table code
18:13:57ArathisRedbreva: couldn't you extract specific player stats out of the global ones?
18:14:15bluebrotheryou could replace the download links with a script that simply writes filename and resolution to a file.
18:14:18linuxstb_Redbreva: awk or Perl is your friend...
18:14:26RedbrevaThe page only show the top 50 total
18:14:45bluebrotherthen you could even generate the stats live using GD
18:15:03bluebrothergraphics library for php.
18:15:33linuxstb_I think just generating the stats nightly would be sufficient - it would be a long process for the PHP script to do on every request.
18:16:08bluebrotheryou could cache that data and only regenerate it once a day or similar.
18:16:16bluebrotherbut doing this offline might be easier indeed.
18:16:33RedbrevaIt's also somewhat beyong my PHP skills, I am still heavilly abusing bluebrothers initial code!!
18:16:54RedbrevaBut I am getting better!
18:18:05RedbrevaHmm, would the link/script interfere with rbutil's workings??
18:20:09linuxstb_You should ask Domonoky, but rbutil can always be changed...
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18:22:52bluebrotherif you have access to mod_rewrite you could even do that transparently
18:23:51bluebrotheri.e. if someone downloads a zip file redirect to a script, and that script will count the download and redirect the data
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18:27:38RedbrevaOnce I get the back end to show just SOAP / Non SOAP themes on the page, I will look at device specific top 10 lists etc. But have to go now... Thanks for the suggestions
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18:39:00ViljarCan someone explain me 4. step here,
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18:41:10ViljarWhat is the path, and what has to be there?
18:41:31dionoeaViljar: the compile tools need to be in your PATH variable which is where the OS looks for executable stuff
18:41:43dionoeaso you "echo $PATH"
18:42:08dionoeaif the build tools are in directories listed in the output from that command then you're ok
18:42:19dionoeaelse you can add some directory to the path using:
18:42:32dionoeaexport PATH=/home/me/bin:$PATH
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18:43:29ViljarOkay.. i'll try..
18:43:44Zendeferacan the latest builds of rb play videos on the ipod yet?
18:44:41ViljarYes, it can.
18:45:00Zendeferaok, :) the man needs to be updated hehe.
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18:45:33ZendeferaI'm not sure if anyone will know, but can the rb database be navigated with voice support?
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18:51:09Viljardionoea: how can i add sh-elf-gcc, siblings and 'perl' as needed to the path then?
18:51:58dionoeayou're sure that they're not in the path already ?
18:52:41dionoeaif they aren't, you find the name of the directory where they're stored and you run the export command i gave 10 minutes ago
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18:56:38Viljari can't find them..
18:57:02dionoeayou're runing linux ?
18:57:13dionoeaor windows & cygwin ?
18:57:15ViljarNo, cygwin on win
18:57:56dionoeain cygwin, try runing: find /usr/local -name "sh-elf-gcc"
18:58:25dionoeai think that they're installed somewhere in /usr/local
18:58:29dionoeai'm not a 100% sure
18:59:16dionoeadid you run the script ?
18:59:54dionoeawell you'll need to i think. Unless the rockbox have a cygwin package with everything installed
19:00:13dionoeathat script installs all the needed tools like sh-elf-gcc
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19:00:27dionoeaor arm-elf-gcc if you're building for ipod
19:00:40ViljarOh, then ill have to run it.
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19:00:44dionoeait's in the tools/ directory in the rockbox source code
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19:01:49ViljarHow can i launch the script now?
19:02:01dionoeayou're in the tools directory ?
19:03:02dionoearun: ./
19:03:14dionoea./ tells it too look for the executable thing in the current directory
19:03:22dionoeaelse it only looks in directories in your PATH
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19:04:10lozzyHi, will the Rockbox firmware play through a car dock on an iPod 5G?
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19:05:07dionoeai think that audio should play but i'm not sure that controls that you have on your car deck will work. (i'm pretty much guessing everything in this sentence :p)
19:05:18bluebrotherthe installation instructions for the cygwin environment mention that you need to add the rockbox site as source
19:05:30bluebrotheras there are packages for the compilers on the rockbox site
19:05:52benjaminHi I'm trying to gather info for fs#6896 and I looking for a good disassembler 'linux' that I can use to poke around the mi4 files with does anyone have a good suggestion?
19:05:56bluebrotherbut why not use the vmware image? It has everything already set up
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19:06:23lozzydionoea.. I think it's just a dock. i.e. you plug it in and control it via the ipod itself?
19:06:26bluebrotherdisassembler "linux"? What do you mean −− a disassembler that runs on linux?
19:06:49bluebrotherthere is objdump ...
19:07:06dionoealozzy: should work then (since line out works)
19:07:15dionoeabest way to know is to test though :)
19:07:21bluebrotheriirc mi4 only adds a header with a checksum. Check the build system ;-)
19:07:33lozzygreat. I just wanted to know if lineout worked out through the funky connector thing at the bottom that ipods have :)
19:08:11Cassandralozzy: the answer is, it depends.
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19:08:29CassandraSome perhipherals work. Others, notably the iTrip FM Dock, don't.
19:08:33benjaminbluebrother: ok thanks
19:09:03lozzythanks Cassandra
19:09:47Cassandra may help
19:09:59linuxstb_benjamin: Have you seen this page about the mi4 file format?
19:10:10linuxstb_Cassandra: Hi, welcome back!
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19:10:26benjaminlinuxstb_:yes many times :)
19:11:00Cassandralinuxstb, hi dave. Thanks. Did you do code integrating rbutil and the firmware patcher? Nice job if so.
19:11:18linuxstbbenjamin: That tells you all you need to know - include the arm-elf-objdump command to disassemble. But IDA Pro is generally considered the disassembler of choice - you may want to try and get a copy if you're planning serious work.
19:11:21*Cassandra likes the interface changes also. I was planning to do something similar myself.
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19:11:58linuxstbCassandra: No, Domonoky did all the work on rbutil, I just wrote ipodpatcher (and later sansapatcher).
19:12:44CassandraFairy nuff. Well, he's done pretty well (although some cleanup is still needed). We're not too far off a 1.0 release.
19:12:49linuxstbCassandra: Did you ever get anywhere with the device detection and mapping USB devices to drive letters?
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19:13:04Cassandralinuxstb, nope, sadly.
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19:13:18CassandraThe last four months of my life have been taken up with moving.
19:13:26linuxstbI think simply detecting the type of DAP attached would be a nice thing to do though.
19:13:36CassandraWhen you have as little energy as I do, that leaves no time for Rockbox. :(
19:13:58CassandraWell, there's various things that can be done.
19:14:10CassandraOnce Rockbox is installed, we can do a detect no problem.
19:14:24CassandraBut of course the first install is the one you really want a detect for.
19:14:31linuxstbYou mean by looking for a .rockbox directory/
19:14:59cropWith the today's build, I've observed a weird behaviour of Follow Playlist. I started a song from the file browser, and, after the wps was displayed, pressed NAVI (on my H120). And the cursor was on the *next* song in the dir.
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19:16:05cropThis occured several times. And then stopped occurring. I'm not sure if I can reproduce it reliably.
19:16:52Cassandralinuxstb, there's now a file in /.rockbox that tells us the target of the installed build.
19:17:14CassandraSearch for that and we have platform and drive letter.
19:17:43cropIs there a reason why the calender plugin is only present on one DAP?
19:18:25CassandraIt's /.rockbox/rockbox-info.txt
19:18:28cropIt could be useful even on daps without RTC −− just to find out what day is on a specific date
19:19:25CassandraHeading towards the more kludgy approach, if we can detect a platform we can possibly identify the drive by size.
19:19:56Cassandracrop: Probably no-one's ported it.
19:20:37badsheepyhow can i turn on dircache in the uisimulator? i turn it on and it tells me to reboot, but its not on when i restart the sim
19:21:32linuxstbbadsheepy: You need to make sure the sim saves the settings. e.g. try playing a music file after enabling dircache. Also, check the archos/.rockbox/config.cfg to see if it shows dircache is on.
19:21:55cropCassandra: aha...
19:22:05badsheepyits in the config.cfg
19:22:11cropHas anybody experienced the folow playlist problem?
19:22:18badsheepyill try playing some songs
19:25:57linuxstbbadsheepy: Is your problem that setting is "off" whenever you start the sim, and you can't turn it on?
19:26:15badsheepyyes i think
19:26:33badsheepyi turn it on, tells me to reboot, the cfg file says it should be on, but debug menu says its not initialised
19:26:46mooscrop: the "folow playlist" option is broken atm and since few weeks
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19:59:43curtisjust loaded RockBox on my iPod Video 5g. Everything went fine but when I go to play a tune, it says "Codec Failure". Any suggestions?
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20:02:34CassandraUsually a sign it's not been properly installed.
20:02:35badsheepymine did that yesterday from a new build from svn
20:02:52badsheepymight be coincidence :)
20:03:12CassandraMake sure the entire archive has been copied over. Not just rockbox.ipod or whatever.
20:03:47CassandraThe error usually indicates either a missing codec or a version mismatch between the codec and the firmware.
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20:06:04curtisCassandra : i just downloaded it about 5 minutes ago. I extracted the zip file and then moved the .rockbox folder over and then ran the ipodpatcher. Everything seemed to go ok but then I got a codec failure
20:06:16curtisbadsheepy : have you fixed yours?
20:06:32badsheepyi still have a previous build on mine which worked fine
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20:06:43badsheepynot a lot of help sorry :)
20:07:39suomynonaHi, when I type 'ipod_fw.exe -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin', I get "cannot open firmware image file bootpartition.bin". What am I doing wrong?
20:07:40Cassandracurtis: I'd still suspect the extraction didn't work properly.
20:08:09curtisCassandra : should I copy the zip file onto the iPod and extract from there?
20:08:19Cassandrasuomynona, you should have created bootpartition.bin earlier on in the process, if my memory serves.
20:08:27suomynonaI did.
20:08:39Cassandracurtis, shouldn't make a difference, but you can do.
20:08:40obono need with the new ipodpatcher - just run, and choose install
20:09:17suomynonacassandra, it told me "bootloader installed successfully."
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20:09:26curtisOK. I'll give it another go
20:09:33suomynonaI'm trying to follow this tutorial:
20:09:57Cassandrasuomynona, then your bootloader is probably installed, and you don't have anything to worry about.
20:10:09curtisCassandra : before I do this, should I delete the other .rockbox folder or just over write it?
20:10:38suomynonaCassandra, but I have to extract it on the tutorial because I need a clean install each time so the themes stay separate.
20:11:03CassandraThose instructions are quite a bit out of date, I believe.
20:11:29CassandraYou're better off using the instructions for installing Rockbox from the Rockbox site.
20:11:38CassandraI don't believe we even use ipod_fw any more.
20:11:48suomynonaI'm just trying to install the loader, not rockbox
20:12:14rotatorcurtis: is the song you're playing happen to be one you bought from the itunes store?
20:12:41Cassandracurtis: writing over should be fine, but you might want to delete it if you want to make sure everything has actually installed where you think it has, and there aren't leftovers from an earlier install.
20:13:03curtisno. I ripped a cd to flac and one to mp3.
20:13:07Cassandrasuomynona, perhaps you should try ipodwizard's support then. I'm not sure we can help you.
20:13:23rotatorhmm, shouldn't be a problem then, just checking to make sure
20:13:28suomynonaCassandra, thanks anyway. have a good day
20:13:30curtisCassandra : sorry to be a pest. Do you have to load the firmware again?
20:13:37CassandraYou too.
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20:13:45Cassandracurtis, nope, shouldn't be necessary.,
20:18:20ViljarIs VMware-player best thing to compile under windows? I mean, first time for beginner.
20:19:03CassandraIt's pretty much best for everyone. We're not really set up for building Rockbox under Windows natively.
20:19:12CassandraOr at least weren't last time I checked.
20:20:03ViljarBut I'm not going to use Linux because of rockbox..
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20:20:36CassandraViljar, you don't have to use it to use Rockbox. To compile Rockbox, however
20:21:12CassandraYou almost certainly have to use vmware to run a virtual linux machine designed for the purpose.
20:21:27ViljarYea, thats was ma goal in the beginning..
20:21:50badsheepyworks fine in cygwin, but vmware is more nicely self contained
20:22:37CassandraThe word "natively" above was important.
20:24:01badsheepyi think thats unfair to poor windows :)
20:25:46CassandraYeah probably.
20:26:02CassandraOh dear. I don't think I have a record of my svn password
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20:29:35curtisCassandra : that did it. I think what I did wrong was I loaded the patch from Julius to use his themes. I didn't copy the codecs, just the rockbox.ipod file.
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20:30:29Cassandracurtis: that sounds likely, yes.
20:31:19curtisCassandra : live and learn ;) Thanks for the help
20:32:24CassandraYou're welcome. Nice to know my Rockbox knowledge hasn't all become obsolete in the last few months.
20:32:28curtisis there a good way to manage Podcasts?
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20:33:59ViljarEurovision final is starting in 30 minutes..
20:34:59ViljarWe didn't make to the finals, but it's still interesting to watch the voting :D
20:35:15ViljarSomeone will join me?
20:36:45ViljarI don't get it, whats up with my English today.. ;s
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20:39:06ViljarBut i have on problem with rockbox, in database, i can see deleted artists and albums.. i have tried "update now" but it was running for 20 minutes with no result..
20:43:55curtisSo with RockBox, there's no video podcasts?
20:45:32ViljarMm.. why not?
20:46:23curtisi copied a mp4 of and it plays the audio but no video
20:46:55Viljarconvert it to .mpg with WinFF..
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20:54:56HP_Owneri have a question: I just installed Rockbox on my 1st gen ipod nano and it is working great. But then when i tried to play a .ogg file it froze and i had to restart
20:55:01HP_Owneris this normal?
20:56:03HP_Owneris anyone here?
20:56:20HellDragonoops wrong channel
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20:56:58AceNikwell i think ogg files have some problem , what bitrate u playing at ?
20:57:14AceNiksearch on the forums, for your problem
20:57:24HP_Ownerim not sure.. i just ripped em right off the CD to .ogg
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21:15:28linuxstbHP_Owner: Ogg vorbis files shouldn't have any problems. Although maybe if your ripper added id3 tags it could cause problems.
21:17:03linuxstbHP_Owner: Also, using an old version of the Rockbox bootloader or the ipodlinux loader2 will cause data aborts when playing any music.
21:17:15HP_Ownerwhat are id3 tags
21:17:34linuxstbtags that shouldn't be in Ogg files - but some programs add them.
21:18:30linuxstbWhich bootloader are you using?
21:18:48HP_Ownerthat one
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21:19:02linuxstbThat's in "ARCHIVE" because it's old...
21:19:15HP_Ownerwhich one should i be using?
21:19:23linuxstbYou should just follow the instructions in the manual and run ipodpatcher - that includes the latest bootloader.
21:19:54linuxstbOut of curiousity, what install instructions did you follow?
21:21:03linuxstbOuch, those are over a year old...
21:21:08BHSPitMonkeyoh dear :P
21:22:27linuxstbHP_Owner: Those instructions are very old and very wrong - click on the "manual" link in the menu on the Rockbox website and follow the instructions in the Installation chapter.
21:23:01linuxstbHP_Owner: You should just need to do the "install the bootloader" step - i.e. download ipodpatcher.exe and run it.
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21:26:33HP_Ownerthank you, i installed the bootloader.
21:26:38HP_OwnerOgg Vorbis works
21:27:29linuxstbYou may also want to read the manual, and also this page -
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21:29:57webguest34I have just tried the SD Card patch for the Sandisk Sansa e240 and I can confirm that it works! Playing music and looking at pictures on the SD card (1 GB) works great!
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21:31:51webguest34hm.. but I think the jpegviewer is missing a quit key-mapping (for Sansa), I can't figure out how to exit from it
21:33:47*preglow wants something that takes sd cards :/
21:34:34*Domonoky reads some talk about rbutil :-)
21:36:15*Viljar watches Eurovision =D
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21:59:19CassandraDomonoky, yes, nice work there. A bit of tidying up and it should be ready for a 1.0 release.
22:00:43Domonoky:-) unfortunally i will have less time in the future.. have to relocate (new job) , so hopefully someone picks it up :-)
22:01:54ViljarWhat will be ready for a 1.0 release?
22:02:12Domonokyrbutil, the Rockbox Utillity
22:03:11ViljarWhere can i find information about it?
22:07:20ViljarDoes it uses rockbox loader? And will be music and other files affected, when installing rockbox and bootloader with it?
22:07:43CassandraDomonoky, as the original author, hopefully I'll be able to take it back on now *I've* finished moving.
22:08:05CassandraViljar, your music will be unaffected.
22:08:08DomonokyViljar: its like the normal rockbox installation, so no other files affected..
22:08:40DomonokyCassandra: thats good :-) so you take over while i am moving .. *hehe*
22:09:54ViljarActually i haven't used a normal installation, i've had linux with loader2 installed before.. but what about the loader?
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22:10:35Domonokyif you use the bootloader install from rbutil it will install the rockbock bootloader like ipodpatcher does..
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22:11:19linuxstb_Viljar: But the bootloader install is a separate option in rbutil - so just don't use the rbutil bootloader install option.
22:11:54linuxstb_You can still use it for everything else - installing/upgrading Rockbox itself, installing fonts, themes etc
22:11:59ViljarBut do you happen to know, it it is possible to install loader2 without ipl installation and without affecting files on iPod?
22:12:18linuxstb_Yes - "ipodpatcher -ab loader2.bin"
22:13:15ViljarI'm asking because my friend was interested in RB and i wasn't sure if it is necessary to make backup of files..
22:13:28ViljarWell, thanks then :)
22:17:27amiconnwow, rare guest
22:17:31amiconnwb Cassandra :)
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22:19:21ViljarBut i have on problem with rockbox, in database, i can see deleted artists and albums.. i have tried "update now" but it was running for 20 minutes with no result..
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22:20:17Cassandraamiconn, thanks. Good to be back.
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23:47:57zivan56anybody know how to pass through the two inputs in the AS3514 to output? Or just one of them?

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