00:00:44 | Hilikus | is it just because nobody has implemented it or is there some limitation that im not aware of? |
00:00:59 | bluebrother | I think it hasn't been implemented |
00:01:25 | Hilikus | oh cool, maybe ill givi it a try |
00:01:25 | bluebrother | but I'm not completely sure. At least there is no limitation I could think of that could be the cause |
00:01:27 | Hilikus | thanks bluebrother |
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00:21:51 | Soap | Before I take a shower, I'd like to ask EVERYONE who hangs out on IRC, and has a wiki account to please fill out http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcNicks |
00:22:18 | Soap | when I come back I expect everyone will have done so! ;) |
00:22:44 | bluebrother | that page's gonna get laaarge :) |
00:23:48 | Soap | bet you 10 (euros/dollars) no more than five people add themselves. :( |
00:28:28 | * | scorche chooses 10 euros rather than 10 dollars |
00:29:02 | schula | *g+ |
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04:44:26 | scorche | borg: not you too.... |
04:44:38 | borg | i dont say much |
04:44:45 | borg | if at all :) |
04:45:02 | scorche | i know...just seems like everyone is coming in here recently =P |
04:45:15 | borg | well, since you're in my channel |
04:45:18 | borg | i'll be in yours |
04:45:21 | borg | lol |
04:45:28 | scorche | technically, this isnt *mine* |
04:45:33 | borg | oh |
04:45:37 | borg | well, ok then :) |
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04:57:48 | grimman | Hey guys! I tried downloading an unofficial iPod build a while ago, with 'cop' enabled, I seem to recall reading it was better than the regular version. Never got any sound from it though... do you know if there's anything special I need to do for it to work? |
04:58:39 | scorche | we dont support unofficial builds |
04:58:53 | scorche | that is why they are "unofficial" |
04:58:55 | grimman | I know that much, but I figured maybe someone knew. |
04:58:57 | grimman | :) |
04:59:18 | grimman | It is also why I pointed out it was unofficial. |
04:59:36 | scorche | well, they could have applied a patch or edited something that messed the sound up which is why we dont support it |
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05:00:10 | grimman | I guess. Hasn't been updated in a while though, so I kinda assumed he had it going nicely. |
05:00:16 | borg | lol @ unofficial |
05:02:38 | grimman | What's so funny? |
05:03:44 | HellDragon | nothing |
05:04:24 | grimman | Oh sure. |
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05:14:11 | HellDragon | borg: do you use rockbox on any device ? |
05:18:24 | borg | i dont even know what rockbox is |
05:18:31 | borg | lol |
05:19:19 | HellDragon | opensource jukebox firmwares for devices like ipods and irivers |
05:19:23 | HellDragon | -s |
05:20:05 | * | scorche sighs at borg |
05:20:09 | scorche | www.rockbox.org |
05:20:21 | borg | i'm too lazy to look scorche :( |
05:20:30 | grimman | Then what is the point of being here? -_- |
05:20:42 | borg | i like to take up space |
05:20:45 | HellDragon | grimman: friendship |
05:20:47 | borg | and lurk |
05:21:18 | grimman | HellDragon: And wtf is that? |
05:21:20 | grimman | ;) |
05:21:31 | HellDragon | i dont know |
05:21:34 | * | HellDragon eyes borg |
05:22:35 | borg | friendship? what is it? nobody will ever know... |
05:22:56 | scorche | enough of the off-topic chat... |
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05:24:32 | HellDragon | yeah lets be serious |
05:27:32 | borg | internets is serious business |
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05:46:05 | grimman | omg! |
05:46:20 | grimman | The bootloader install is just stupidly easy now. |
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06:00:59 | Shadetree | always has been for me |
06:01:15 | Shadetree | just overwrite heh. But then I remember I have to redo my settings :( |
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06:09:14 | grimman | Shadetree: I recall having to dump the firmware and patch it. :P |
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06:45:11 | webguest15 | hey |
06:45:26 | webguest15 | will rockbox on a sansa e200 play mpeg videos |
06:45:38 | webguest15 | or any videos other than .mov |
06:45:54 | scorche | it will play mpeg2 videos |
06:46:37 | webguest15 | those are smaller than .mov right? |
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06:46:50 | scorche | it depends how you format it |
06:47:06 | webguest15 | ok, well worth a try |
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06:47:25 | webguest15 | one last thing, when dual booting can you select which one as teh default firmware |
06:47:32 | HellDragon | webguest15: i dont think so |
06:47:35 | scorche | no |
06:48:06 | webguest15 | sigh, i was hoping you could because i think it might be too technical for my wife to use |
06:48:25 | HellDragon | just tell her to push the hold button when it boots |
06:48:36 | webguest15 | well thanks for the help |
06:48:38 | HellDragon | if my mother managed to understand the concept of a SD card in 2 weeks, she can |
06:48:39 | scorche | it is a switch ;) |
06:49:00 | joshin | You can dual boot and I'm pretty sure that if you build your own firmware, you can set the original Sandisk OS as the default |
06:49:12 | webguest15 | you mean the left button |
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06:49:33 | joshin | I have yet to actually put Rockbox on my sansa as I've been experimenting with it on my Gigabeat F player. |
06:49:33 | scorche | webguest15: he was thinking of ipods |
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06:49:42 | webguest15 | oh |
06:49:43 | HellDragon | ah |
06:49:45 | HellDragon | yeah |
06:50:01 | webguest15 | seems like a cool thing to try out |
06:50:18 | webguest15 | i am a linux guy so i think i should be able to handel alternative firmware on my player |
06:51:08 | joshin | Famous last words... :D |
06:51:10 | webguest15 | anything i should know before i try it |
06:51:21 | scorche | webguest15: read the manual |
06:51:23 | scorche | ;) |
06:51:27 | joshin | Read it twice. |
06:51:37 | webguest15 | ya i was looking through it some |
06:51:41 | scorche | you will find out who is naughty or nice |
06:52:01 | webguest15 | the bugs in usb connection seemed a little naughty |
06:52:21 | webguest15 | mpeg support seems kinda nice |
06:52:30 | joshin | I'm waiting for USB connectivity to work on the e200 series before loading it on mine |
06:52:53 | webguest15 | you think that would work out soon? |
06:53:17 | webguest15 | i am traveling over the summer in like a month so basically i got to have anything set up before i leave and wont be able to change it up much then |
06:53:58 | joshin | One does not predict the coding progress of open source projects unless one is the coder. Doing otherwise is an exercise in futility. |
06:54:28 | webguest15 | .... unless there is a release scedule |
06:54:35 | scorche | there isnt |
06:54:56 | scorche | we learned that lesson a while back =P |
06:55:14 | joshin | release schedule... Ha. webguest15, you have a great sense of humo(u)r. :) |
06:55:30 | webguest15 | well we do it with linux a lot..... |
06:55:38 | webguest15 | well maybe not a lot but sometimes |
06:55:44 | joshin | keep going... |
06:56:04 | webguest15 | linux is an kernel, this is firmware, not that different when you thik about it |
06:56:25 | webguest15 | except firmware integrates with hardware more closely |
06:56:27 | joshin | Quick, when will the open source ATI/AMD drivers be able to do full acceleration? |
06:56:33 | webguest15 | kernel more software component |
06:56:36 | scorche | well, we have a kernel too of course |
06:56:47 | joshin | Were that the hardware documented then you might be right. |
06:56:53 | webguest15 | you mean 3d acceleration |
06:56:59 | joshin | yup. |
06:57:20 | joshin | And x86/amd64 isa/pci/pci express is quite well documented. |
06:57:28 | webguest15 | they estimate it soon, but amd usually falls late on driver releases |
06:57:36 | webguest15 | *ati |
06:58:07 | * | scorche 's off-topic sense is tingling |
06:58:12 | joshin | I bet that Rockbox will support USB transfers on the e200 before full 3d support is working on the ati/AMD video driver. |
06:58:31 | webguest15 | hope so |
06:58:33 | joshin | sorry scorche, just trying to explain the difficulties |
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06:58:47 | webguest15 | so when doing tranfers with the sansa you would have to load the original firmware first? |
06:59:21 | joshin | I know that I have no guess as to when I'm going to figure out and get the FM tuner on the Sansa working... or if someone will get it working before me. |
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07:01:07 | webguest15 | well it seems like you do good work, dont sweat the time |
07:01:15 | webguest15 | i am a poor programer really |
07:02:00 | joshin | I've done no committed work yet and deserve no credit. I am just hacking away and trying to remember how to code... |
07:03:09 | webguest15 | what language is this stuff in usually |
07:03:22 | scorche | rockbox is in C |
07:04:21 | webguest15 | cool, one i know most yet still not a lot |
07:04:30 | webguest15 | still a college freshman |
07:05:29 | webguest15 | k, thanks for all the help and good conversation |
07:05:33 | webguest15 | c you all later |
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08:09:08 | amiconn | jhMikeS: There's something fishy in your new versions of queue_wait() and queue_wait_w_tmo() |
08:09:43 | amiconn | They disable IRQs unconditionally at the top, and a second time based on whether the queue is empty... |
08:13:17 | jhMikeS | second time? |
08:14:09 | jhMikeS | set_irq_level_and_block_thread(_w_tmo) reenable them _after_ the scheduler is finished with the list |
08:15:42 | amiconn | Oh, hmm |
08:15:56 | * | amiconn wonders whether the scheduler really needs to be that complicated |
08:18:23 | amiconn | Hmm, lock_cores() and unlock_cores() are a waste the way they are right now |
08:19:14 | amiconn | They're empty functions and defined inline in thread.c, but they're not static, so every call to them from other modules (like kernel.c) calls the non-static version |
08:19:43 | amiconn | ..also on single-core targets |
08:19:51 | jhMikeS | the patch you used simplifies it all using a system queue for that and deal with the issue you just mentioned |
08:20:14 | jhMikeS | on single core they're just #define'd empty |
08:22:19 | amiconn | And on dual core they are empty functions... wonder why they're there... |
08:22:48 | amiconn | You disabled the warning, hence I think they're not needed at all |
08:24:34 | jhMikeS | guess I could dump them for now to clean up...I was thinking about actually just putting in dual core for the ones that work but the PP5020 has to keep chaning the cpsr register or the IRQs just die and the cores never wake |
08:26:15 | amiconn | At least they should go into thread.h if they should be inline (and of defined as static inline there) |
08:27:05 | * | amiconn wonders what's up with the PP5020 |
08:27:11 | jhMikeS | yes, for now. some calls are in the wrong place anyway |
08:27:37 | amiconn | I must say that I didn't understand much from your mails regarding PP and interrupts |
08:28:25 | jhMikeS | like I said, interrupts. the dual core patch version that kept changing cpsr would actually run, when IRQs die, things stop at the splash because that's where it will stay if core just go to sleep for good |
08:28:52 | * | amiconn wonders how the OF on PP50200 targets handles interrupts |
08:29:13 | jhMikeS | was having a heck of a time getting through it...some things I was concluding were actually the result of what I was doing and not how it works :) |
08:29:53 | * | amiconn thinks jhMikeS should get a PP5020 target :) |
08:30:20 | jhMikeS | as soon as I can ... they seem pricer than I'd like for a test bed |
08:30:33 | amiconn | If you don't want an ipod, get a H10 |
08:30:45 | jhMikeS | even those seem to have a premium |
08:30:48 | amiconn | Then you could also make the radio work :) |
08:31:29 | jhMikeS | I actually want to consolidate all this pp stuff from various parts and actually get rid of the "majic numbers" and make sense of the stuff |
08:32:17 | jhMikeS | should be doable to a degree anyway |
08:33:46 | jhMikeS | /firmware/target/arm/system-pp502x.c line 175 gives some details on the oddness |
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08:39:29 | Shadetree | I wonder how long before rockbox gets ported to the zune |
08:40:29 | * | jhMikeS wonders why as3514 regiser 0x15 randomly reads 0x00 or 0x38 and may be unsettable :\ |
08:42:23 | * | jhMikeS engages in more portal probing |
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08:58:53 | jhMikeS | oy, there's stuff being done on sansa just because it's done on an ipod :\ |
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09:13:11 | BigBambi | Hi, anyone fancy shutting a couple of flyspray tasks for me? |
09:13:24 | BigBambi | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7132 has been fixed in svn and http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7143 was a duplicate of it |
09:15:24 | jhMikeS | the as3514 reset needs some delays or the registers are garbage filled |
09:19:55 | daurnimator | gday all |
09:21:17 | david1 | where is the best place to buy a thoshiba gigabeat? |
09:21:34 | amiconn | BigBambi: done. |
09:21:53 | BigBambi | amiconn: Thanks. Just trying not to clog up flyspray too much! |
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09:43:38 | * | amiconn wonders what architecture this player is based on: http://cgi.ebay.de/New-Meizu-M3-Music-Card-8GB-MP3-Free-Charger-Case_W0QQitemZ230128586207QQihZ013QQcategoryZ8267QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
09:43:54 | * | HellDragon bets on arm |
09:44:06 | amiconn | As small as a Nano, available up to 8GB, and unlike the nano it does have a radio |
09:44:44 | HellDragon | and it plays video |
09:45:03 | amiconn | Well, the nano also plays video in rockbox |
09:46:02 | scorche | wow...looks like original firmwares are learning =) |
09:48:27 | amiconn | In what way? |
09:49:45 | HellDragon | in the way a 5 years old baby would learn |
09:50:23 | scorche | that one supports both ogg and flac, user customizable EQ, "folder management", xvid....just a lot of features that devices before it did not support |
09:50:41 | scorche | but what i dont get, is that it doesnt list MP3 in supported formats, and yet it records to MP3 |
09:50:55 | HellDragon | hmmm nethack on rockbox would be cool |
09:51:09 | scorche | HellDragon: it has been talked about...search the forums |
09:51:21 | HellDragon | i'm just thinking about things |
09:51:38 | HellDragon | an incorporated beer cooler would be fine too |
09:51:48 | amiconn | scorche: It does.. under specification |
09:52:09 | scorche | oh...heh...missed that |
09:52:23 | amiconn | Exact same screen resolution as a nano.. ts ts |
09:52:45 | amiconn | One *might* think this is on purpose... |
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10:02:38 | scorche | amiconn: it seems like all i can find is: http://www.itime.cn/Article/pic/200702/20070211145404269.jpg , but it really isnt good enough to read anything |
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10:07:45 | BHSPitMonkey | haven't there been delves into IR transmissions through the audio port? |
10:08:02 | scorche | BHSPitMonkey: joely seems to be working on that |
10:08:57 | BHSPitMonkey | it'd bring new meaning to DAP remotes |
10:09:58 | scorche | amiconn: i take that back http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=zh_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.meizu.com%2fbbs%2fdispbbs.asp%3fboardID%3d22%26ID%3d499217%26page%3d2 |
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10:14:43 | JdGordon | it only took, what 6 months? but we are back with a full green row :) |
10:15:36 | scorche | amiconn: even better http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=zh_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.handpop.com%2fmp3%2fevaluate%2f200704013998_1.html |
10:16:11 | BHSPitMonkey | JdGordon, we have a release! |
10:16:12 | BHSPitMonkey | :P |
10:16:21 | pixelma | with cheating... |
10:16:36 | JdGordon | jhMikeS just removed the warning? not actually fixed it? |
10:16:56 | pixelma | that I don't know but I'm thinking of rombox |
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10:17:22 | JdGordon | ah :) |
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10:18:02 | linuxstb_ | JdGordon: Checking the diffs, jhMikeS just commented out the #warning, so I assume it's not fixed. |
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10:18:31 | linuxstb_ | But that's probably a good thing - we don't put #warnings in the code for every known problem. |
10:21:02 | amiconn | Heh, then we'd have lots of yellow and red |
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10:25:37 | scorche | amiconn: there is also http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://www.meizu.com/product/articleread.asp%3Farticleid%3D446&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=10&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DSAMSUNG%2Barm%2Bmeizu%2Bm3%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DG |
10:25:55 | scorche | it appears it is the same processor that is in the iriver e10 |
10:26:37 | linuxstb_ | Is that a telechips? |
10:26:42 | scorche | samsung |
10:27:05 | scorche | looks like it is also in the iriver clix |
10:27:15 | linuxstb_ | So almost certainly ARM I would expect. |
10:27:26 | scorche | it says ARN on the chip ;) |
10:27:28 | scorche | ARM |
10:27:39 | scorche | 200MHz |
10:27:43 | * | linuxstb_ looks at the link now... |
10:28:36 | linuxstb_ | And a UDA1380... |
10:28:41 | scorche | yup |
10:28:55 | HellDragon | ah |
10:28:59 | scorche | the last link i posted sooms to tell everything |
10:29:06 | scorche | s/sooms/seems |
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10:29:52 | scorche | the screen basically *is* the nano screen, so they have much more in common than the resolution |
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10:33:14 | * | scorche goes back to what he was doing earlier, after being successful with the search |
10:35:01 | amiconn | Hmm, uda :/ |
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10:37:17 | scorche | yeah...they went cheap on the DAC.. |
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11:16:19 | schula | hm, i got today my new sandisk e280, and just installed rockbox, but after changing the theme i go up in the menu and then there always comes an data abort |
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11:18:53 | juxtap | how's the video quality on that thing? |
11:20:25 | schula | it looks good, but i just looked at the videos from sandisk, and its my first mp3 player with color display :) |
11:22:01 | nls | schula: please fill out a bug report with as much details as possible about the data abort issue |
11:22:08 | juxtap | i really like those players. wanna swap for an ipod 5g? |
11:22:11 | juxtap | :p |
11:22:53 | schula | hm, atm i cant reproduce it... |
11:22:57 | schula | strange |
11:24:10 | nls | oh, it's one of those "fun" things :-) |
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11:24:25 | nls | what did you do to trigger it the first time |
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11:25:09 | schula | nls: just got into themes, selected one and gone back using the left key and tried the nice blue scroll wheel |
11:27:20 | schula | .oO(yeah rockbox seems to be really cool) |
11:28:05 | CelticSoul | guys, I know this may be the wrong place to ask but is .wv a lossless wavepack file? if yes, what about .wvc? |
11:28:56 | linuxstb | CelticSoul: .wv can be either lossy or lossless. A ".wvc" is a "correction file" so if you have both .wv and .wvc then the .wv will be lossy by itself, but the combination of .wv and .wvc is lossless. |
11:29:05 | DarthShrine | Does anybody have the iAudio X5? |
11:29:29 | linuxstb | CelticSoul: But Rockbox doesn't support .wvc files. |
11:30:25 | CelticSoul | I only have one wv file, how do I test if it's lossless? |
11:30:59 | linuxstb | CelticSoul: I don't know, but the bitrate (displayed in Rockbox) should give you a clue.. |
11:31:38 | CelticSoul | it's 360MB file, when unpacked it's 800MB wave file bitrate is 1411Kbps |
11:32:23 | CelticSoul | so it's lossless? |
11:32:27 | linuxstb | Then it's most likely lossless. I've never used them, but I would expect the official wavpack tools would tell you for sure if it's lossy or lossless. |
11:32:52 | Llorean | Hm |
11:33:00 | Llorean | 360mb compressed, 800 un, doesn't sound lossless |
11:33:14 | Llorean | Well, maybe |
11:33:25 | Llorean | Isn't 635 a little low for wavpack lossless bitrates though? |
11:33:31 | Llorean | Though it's a bit high for lossy too. |
11:34:15 | linuxstb | It depends on the source file. I agree it's a low bitrate for lossless, but I would still guess lossless. |
11:34:54 | Llorean | Yeah, I guess it does seem the most likely of the two. |
11:35:00 | CelticSoul | i'm tired of messing with all this lossly and lossless stuff, there are fake lossless files everywhere |
11:35:26 | Llorean | The only source you can ever trust is yourself. |
11:35:31 | linuxstb | CelticSoul: What kind of music is it? |
11:35:40 | CelticSoul | Classical music |
11:35:49 | linuxstb | An official recording? |
11:36:08 | CelticSoul | but people still make fake lossless file for classical music |
11:36:21 | CelticSoul | yeah official one |
11:37:02 | linuxstb | You could always open it up in an audio editor and check for signs of lossy compression - e.g. see if there's any audio above around 16KHz. |
11:37:47 | CelticSoul | wavepack does cut the frequency too? as mp3...? |
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11:37:55 | linuxstb | And trust your ears - if it sounds good to you, then there's no real problem. |
11:38:34 | CelticSoul | the thing is I dont have the lossless file to refer to |
11:39:11 | MonkeyTamer | hmm.. I'm playing around a bit with the gigabeat, and noticing a substantially longer shutdown time. I did play with a patch, but upon using a clean build, the prolonged shutdown time remains |
11:41:39 | linuxstb | CelticSoul: I've just tried "wvunpack" (the command-line wavpack decoder) and typing "wvunpack -s filename.wv" shows you info about the file, including if it is lossy or lossless. But of course that only tells you about the wavpack encoding, not the previous life of the file. |
11:42:35 | CelticSoul | linuxstb: thanks a lot :) |
11:43:03 | CelticSoul | the last step is to check the frequency cut |
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11:44:22 | MonkeyTamer | also, the rockbox logo screen periodically changes between a black background and a white one |
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11:46:11 | MonkeyTamer | one thing to try with verifying lossless files is a program called audiochecker |
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11:46:24 | MonkeyTamer | it's not always totally accurate, but it does a reasonable job |
11:47:08 | MonkeyTamer | it only works with ape, cds, and flac however |
11:48:24 | linuxstb | And Shorten, LPAC and WAV... |
11:48:41 | schula | hm, is it possible to attach a usb cable and move the files while rockbox is running? |
11:48:54 | nls | schula: no |
11:49:05 | schula | *g* ok :) |
11:49:52 | nls | schula: rockbox doesn't support usb on sansas, ipods and the iriver h10 yet, they all use similar hardware |
11:50:37 | schula | oh, sorry, didnt remember |
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12:09:27 | MonkeyTamer | anyone else with a gigabeat happen to notice very long shutdown times while shutting down within a period of a minute or so? |
12:10:59 | Llorean | There were shutdown problems for a little while. Which SVN revision are you running? |
12:11:05 | MonkeyTamer | the most current |
12:11:23 | MonkeyTamer | it didn't affect me with a build from a couple of days ago |
12:11:28 | MonkeyTamer | I just updated |
12:11:41 | Llorean | Please just tell me which SVN revision it reports |
12:11:51 | MonkeyTamer | sure, one second |
12:12:05 | Llorean | Perhaps you updated wrong? Or perhaps you downloaded the daily, or your webserver had a proxy cache of some sort, or any number of other things |
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12:13:44 | MonkeyTamer | darn; to be honest, I was playing with 7113, to see how it would effect boot time, and I can't seem to get the build totally clean |
12:14:03 | MonkeyTamer | *affect |
12:14:16 | Llorean | Usually the best way to try a clean build is to just download it... |
12:14:30 | MonkeyTamer | I had tried that, but I am getting some weird quirks |
12:15:26 | Llorean | Well if you overwrite all files, it's completely clean. |
12:15:41 | MonkeyTamer | appears better now |
12:15:50 | MonkeyTamer | perhaps I had overwritten incorrectly |
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12:16:25 | MonkeyTamer | the shutting down seems to still be affected; only when shutting down within a period of about a minute or so |
12:16:50 | MonkeyTamer | otherwise it goes quickly |
12:16:55 | Llorean | Do you have database auto-update or anything on? |
12:17:01 | Llorean | Or possibly dircache |
12:17:28 | Llorean | Shutdown has to wait for the disk to be inactive, which may not be the case immediately after bootup for a variety of reasons. |
12:17:33 | MonkeyTamer | I haven't configured anything yet; the settings should be default; would you know any reason why the gigabeat logo, as in the original green/white logo would be gone? |
12:18:03 | Llorean | It's still sleeping, perhaps. |
12:18:07 | Llorean | A side-effect of that patch |
12:18:19 | Llorean | Try unplugging power, turning off the battery switch, counting to 10, and then turning it back on. |
12:18:34 | MonkeyTamer | I'll give it a shot |
12:19:33 | MonkeyTamer | there we go, no wonder it was acting quirky |
12:20:07 | MonkeyTamer | thanks for the assistance |
12:20:36 | Llorean | That patch changes some of the bootup behaviour, and apparently that isn't cleaned up quite as simply as just putting on an SVN build |
12:20:37 | Llorean | =/ |
12:20:55 | MonkeyTamer | now it works perfectly fine |
12:21:10 | MonkeyTamer | definitely quite buggy overall |
12:21:17 | MonkeyTamer | the patch that is |
12:21:46 | MonkeyTamer | it also results in a lack of backlight for a good 30 seconds or so |
12:22:13 | Llorean | Well it is supposed to merely be a proof of concept, for now |
12:23:01 | MonkeyTamer | it's a nice concept; hopefully one effect will be a shorter duration for holding the power button |
12:23:27 | Llorean | Actually, that's solved in a different manner |
12:23:43 | Llorean | It's possible to reflash the actual firmware bootloader. |
12:23:55 | Llorean | There's even an experimental patched one that requires a shorter press, I believe. |
12:24:08 | MonkeyTamer | by the same person is it not? |
12:24:15 | Llorean | Dunno |
12:24:24 | Llorean | To be honest, I don't pay attention to who does what most of the time, just that things get done |
12:24:32 | MonkeyTamer | fair enough |
12:24:35 | Llorean | So much tends to be going on around here, I have a hard time keeping straight all that I manage to anyway. |
12:25:22 | MonkeyTamer | yes, this is one project that really has something going on somewhere sometime at any given point |
12:26:06 | MonkeyTamer | one day just some code policing, the next day massive changes to mpegplayer |
12:30:26 | MonkeyTamer | Anyways, I am off to bed; I appreciate your help Llorean. |
12:30:53 | markun | MonkeyTamer: I also have some problems with slow shutdown |
12:31:01 | MonkeyTamer | do you? |
12:31:05 | markun | at least while something is trying to access the HDD |
12:31:14 | MonkeyTamer | oh |
12:31:18 | MonkeyTamer | no patches tho right? |
12:31:21 | MonkeyTamer | *though |
12:31:23 | markun | no |
12:31:39 | markun | maybe I will look into it when it starts to bother me enough :) |
12:31:46 | markun | anyway, sweet dreams |
12:31:59 | MonkeyTamer | yes; it only seemed to affect me primarily when using shoora's patch |
12:32:13 | MonkeyTamer | it makes it load up faster |
12:32:17 | MonkeyTamer | but shutdown is a crawl |
12:32:22 | markun | strange |
12:32:31 | markun | but I didn't look at his patch yet |
12:32:49 | MonkeyTamer | it has some noticeable bugs with the LCD driver |
12:33:08 | markun | I though it only made some changes to the bootloader in flash |
12:33:18 | MonkeyTamer | FS 7113 |
12:33:26 | MonkeyTamer | it's a bit different |
12:34:15 | MonkeyTamer | I don't honestly understand all of what it describes |
12:34:36 | markun | :) |
12:35:12 | MonkeyTamer | it seems promising as a proof of concept, but so far two bugs are unfavorable |
12:35:26 | linuxstb | markun: Talking about the gigabeat LCD driver, I was wondering if the complication was worthwhile. e.g. the use of DMA for lcd_clear_display instead of simply calling memset16 like all other targets. |
12:35:27 | MonkeyTamer | the backlight doesn;t initialize for about 30 seconds |
12:36:34 | markun | linuxstb: because of code size? |
12:36:43 | linuxstb | markun: Just simplicity - i.e. KISS |
12:37:01 | markun | yes, perhaps |
12:37:25 | linuxstb | There seems to be problems with it as well - e.g. the background colour sometimes staying black after leaving mpegplayer. |
12:37:25 | markun | would it be an idea to use DMA for big memset/moves? |
12:37:46 | markun | after leaving any plugin in fact |
12:38:17 | linuxstb | markun: That would be the better way - then all parts of Rockbox could benefit (if it is indeed a benefit) |
12:40:43 | markun | linuxstb: just a problem when 2 threads try to do it |
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12:42:09 | amiconn | The mem* functions are expected to be synchronous |
12:42:18 | linuxstb | That shouldn't be an issue, unless done from interrupts - the DMA wait doesn't yield. |
12:42:39 | amiconn | They are used from interrupts afaik |
12:43:20 | amiconn | At least there is nothing obvious that forbids it, so coders will use it |
12:43:52 | amiconn | Keep in mind that e.g. tick tasks are running in interrupt context |
12:44:28 | linuxstb | But should they be doing large mem* operations anyway? |
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12:44:45 | linuxstb | But I agree it's a dangerous thing to introduce. |
12:45:28 | linuxstb | markun: Did anyone benchmark the difference between DMA and our ARM-optimised mem* functions? |
12:45:51 | linuxstb | I've got a feeling we didn't have ARM versions at the time the gigabeat port was merged. |
12:46:14 | amiconn | Not large ones, no |
12:46:33 | amiconn | But a few KB are probably okay |
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12:47:22 | amiconn | Interrupts aside, handling DMA mem* functions would still be difficult, if we want to get the benefit and yield while the DMA is running |
12:47:34 | markun | linuxstb: during a DMA transfer you can continue with other things, so that should be take into account during the benchmark, right? |
12:47:38 | amiconn | Then you need to handle the case when another thread also wants to use it |
12:48:03 | markun | amiconn: that last part was what I was trying to say |
12:48:16 | markun | before you told me they would be synchronous |
12:48:41 | amiconn | Yes, you can make them fully synchronous, i.e. not yield |
12:48:59 | amiconn | But then there would only be a benefit if the DMA engine is actually faster than the CPU |
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12:49:28 | amiconn | You wouldn't run into the multiple threads problem this way, but interrupts are still an issue |
12:49:40 | amiconn | Certainly quite the opposite of KISS... |
12:49:43 | daurnimator | JdGordon: you here? |
12:50:27 | linuxstb | markun: Yes, you can do other things, but the lcd_clear_display() DMA loop doesn't yield. |
12:52:44 | markun | linuxstb: I would say replace it with memset and then we can always experiment with DMA improvements of the mem* functions |
12:53:44 | linuxstb | markun: I was hoping someone else would... I wouldn't really want to remove it without doing some speed comparisons of the old and new. |
12:55:28 | markun | linuxstb: ok, I put it on my todo :) |
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12:55:55 | markun | but you probably have a faster result by trying to convince jhMikeS to do it ;) |
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12:55:57 | preglow | linuxstb: started on the wav writing? |
12:56:22 | linuxstb | I've also just noticed an ARM-optimised lcd_bitmap_transparent_part() in the gigabeat driver. That looks like it should work on all ARM targets unless I'm misunderstanding it... |
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12:57:03 | linuxstb | preglow: A little, but it looks like I'll be duplicating a lot of the DSP code in the plugin, so maybe I should try and use the DSP code instead - but I'm not familiar with it... |
12:57:20 | preglow | just the parts you need, or all of it? |
12:58:18 | linuxstb | It's the conversions from the output of the audio codecs into WAV format - so I could just use the DSP functions to convert to a common format, then convert from that to WAV. |
12:58:53 | linuxstb | But maybe it's just easier to do it in the plugin. But you also said you wanted to be able to test the DSP code... |
12:59:27 | linuxstb | Although I've been wondering if a separate test_dsp plugin would be better. |
12:59:41 | preglow | i'm starting to wonder about that too |
12:59:53 | preglow | if i want to bench dsp, it really doesn't make much sense to do it while decoding something |
12:59:58 | preglow | unless, of course, i want to check the output |
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13:00:21 | linuxstb | test_dsp could also write a WAV file. |
13:00:26 | preglow | yep |
13:00:28 | linuxstb | (but always take WAV as input) |
13:02:14 | preglow | what's the number after a viewers.config entry mean? |
13:02:30 | linuxstb | preglow: Regarding the WAV writing, how should I convert the output from the lossy codecs to WAV? I'm guessing I need to clip? i.e. shift to 16-bit samples and then clip? |
13:02:36 | linuxstb | preglow: It's the icon number |
13:03:07 | preglow | shift then clip, yes |
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13:12:38 | preglow | mpegplayer still doesn't like tomal's dct patch, i see |
13:12:51 | preglow | what needs to be done for that to work? |
13:12:57 | preglow | some iram juggling? |
13:12:59 | linuxstb | No, but you have the opportunity to put #ifndef MPEGPLAYER around things |
13:13:27 | linuxstb | That answered your first sentence... |
13:14:31 | preglow | yes, but i was kind of thinking of having it commited |
13:14:37 | preglow | benching it now |
13:15:54 | preglow | oh, so you mean like stuffing #ifndef MPEGPLAUER around tomal's new parts? |
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13:17:37 | preglow | a 235kbps file went from 179.89% realtime to 197.58% realtime |
13:17:39 | preglow | not bad, not bad at all |
13:17:46 | markun | nice |
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13:18:14 | preglow | i'd also like to test how large the differences in decoded result are |
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13:20:22 | linuxstb | preglow: I'm going out now, but I'll try and do the wav-writing later today. |
13:20:52 | preglow | sure, no rush |
13:20:55 | preglow | gotta go soon anyway |
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13:21:25 | linuxstb | It could be useful to test some of the IRAM optimisations individually - to see if any of them are removable. |
13:22:06 | linuxstb | IIRC, icode doesn't make very much (if any) difference on portalplayer. |
13:22:15 | linuxstb | And the gigabeat doesn't have iram... |
13:22:38 | markun | linuxstb: don't forget about the 4kB :) |
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13:25:41 | preglow | do you use that? |
13:25:51 | markun | preglow: no |
13:32:26 | preglow | sounds like a nice place to keep memcpy and memset, heh |
13:32:49 | linuxstb | Won't Rolo need to live there as well? |
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14:23:03 | Lear | A suggestion for a new bookmark selection screen can be seen here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7158 |
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14:53:34 | schula | hm, is there something like reset when en error occoured in rockbox? |
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14:57:22 | obo | which target? |
14:58:17 | schula | sandisk e200 |
14:58:49 | obo | I think holding down power for 15-20 seconds will force a shutdown... |
14:59:45 | JdGordon | Lear: hey, your bookmark patch looks good, can you finish it so it can be commiteD? |
14:59:57 | JdGordon | 1000x better than the current screen :) |
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15:00:21 | Lear | First positive comment so far. :) |
15:00:34 | JdGordon | tohers dont like it? |
15:00:37 | JdGordon | others* |
15:01:05 | Lear | The other ones were about not liking how "2-line" lists look, especially with arrow line selector... |
15:01:06 | * | schula likes it, but im just a novice |
15:01:14 | moos | Lear: looks better here too, +1 :) |
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15:01:49 | JdGordon | Lear: well, they do look crap with the arrow selector... but that could be fixed easily... |
15:02:05 | * | JdGordon mucked aronud with only showing the title for unselected items, but failed miserably |
15:02:17 | Lear | Not sure about how to buffer the file though, if it would be a good idea to use the plugin buffer... |
15:04:10 | JdGordon | and audio buffer if you cant get plugin buffer... |
15:04:22 | JdGordon | or maybe not :p |
15:10:20 | preglow | looks good |
15:10:35 | bluebrother | Lear, the playlist position in the bookmark list looks somewhat strange |
15:10:59 | bluebrother | how about putting it the other way round? <pos>. <time>? |
15:11:11 | * | JdGordon seconds ^ |
15:11:37 | bluebrother | but otherwise it's great. I always disliked the current screen. |
15:11:45 | Lear | I |
15:12:01 | Lear | I've tested both orders, but couldn't really decide. :) |
15:12:46 | bluebrother | when I saw the screenshot I first was wondering what the number should tell and went reading the thread on the ml ;) |
15:13:02 | Lear | With the current order, it can't really be mixed up with the bookmark count (which might maybe should be removed...). |
15:13:50 | JdGordon | what about title, time then shuffle and positio on the next line? |
15:13:59 | bluebrother | hmm. The bookmark count isn't needed imo |
15:15:18 | bluebrother | wouldn't that look like a waste if you never use shuffle? |
15:15:37 | JdGordon | probably |
15:15:50 | * | JdGordon would be happy with 1 line / bmark |
15:16:02 | bluebrother | how about "title (shuffled)"? |
15:16:35 | bluebrother | don't forget about small size screens −− it will be most likely annoying if you'd always have to wait for the line to scroll |
15:16:57 | JdGordon | <title> then <time> Pos:<pos> (shuffled) |
15:17:01 | bluebrother | you could of course auto-adjust that ;-) |
15:17:16 | bluebrother | if it doesn't fit into one line make it two |
15:17:41 | JdGordon | not so easy, what if one fits in 1 line, but te next needs 2? |
15:18:17 | bluebrother | then you need to make all 2 |
15:18:36 | JdGordon | right, but how would you know one needs more than 1 line? |
15:18:46 | JdGordon | unless all are read before the list starts bing drawn |
15:19:25 | bluebrother | right. That might be an issue |
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15:23:40 | JdGordon | where else are 2 item lists used? |
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15:28:20 | bluebrother | the id3 viewer uses one. |
15:29:23 | JdGordon | Lear: why are you getting it to scroll every line? not just he selected one? |
15:30:06 | Lear | Don't ask me. :) I just use the list, not doing anything special, afaik. |
15:31:28 | JdGordon | you copied it from the id3 viewer? |
15:31:38 | * | JdGordon thinks all lists shuold only scroll the selected item |
15:31:47 | JdGordon | and that parameter be removed fro the iit call |
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15:32:15 | Lear | That or the playlist viewer... |
15:32:50 | Lear | What param? |
15:32:57 | JdGordon | 2nd last one sets that |
15:33:15 | Lear | Ah, so that's what scroll_all does... |
15:33:54 | JdGordon | yeah |
15:33:58 | * | JdGordon just found that out also :p |
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15:34:53 | JdGordon | do we want t only show the cursor for the first item in a multi-select list? |
15:35:06 | * | JdGordon did the quick fix to allow that |
15:35:15 | JdGordon | lists looks better imo with that than 2 arrows |
15:37:21 | JdGordon | amiconn: you round? |
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15:40:17 | Viljar | Hey, i recently found this program, logoswapper to change rockbox bootlogo, but when i'm trying to swap the logo, then i get "Error: bmp2rb-r.exe is not a vailid Win32 application" Is there some way to fix it, or some other way ti change bootlogo? |
15:40:54 | JdGordon | redownload |
15:41:42 | Viljar | LogoSwapper.exe creates this bmp2rb-r.exe during the process.. and i have redownloaded it. |
15:42:01 | Viljar | I mean logoswapper, not bmp2rb-r.exe.. |
15:43:59 | * | JdGordon doesnt know... thats odd |
15:44:08 | JdGordon | btw we don support logoswappr here |
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15:45:03 | Viljar | I know, but is there some other way to change logo? |
15:45:08 | * | nls doesn't even know what it's supposed to do that cant be done by changing the bmp and recompiling |
15:46:09 | JdGordon | some people cant compile.. |
15:46:17 | nls | aha |
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15:47:12 | nls | Viljar: if you can compile, just change the rockboxlogo bmp with the correct resolution in apps/bitmaps/native |
15:49:03 | Viljar | So, this means that i have to download source and do the changing in there and recompile, right? |
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15:49:38 | Soap | yes |
15:50:12 | Lear | Neat, simple buffering works now... Better test it more though. :) |
15:50:52 | Viljar | Okay, i haven't done that before, but i'll take a look, thanks! |
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15:55:52 | Siltaar | Would it be possible to use Rockbox OS to make a router ? |
15:56:37 | JdGordon | anything is posible... |
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15:56:48 | Siltaar | If Rockbox is fast and light it could be a good idea, and it would be a strengh for Internet to have something else than Cisco and HP routers... |
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15:58:07 | bluebrother | feel free to write a network stack ... |
15:58:45 | bluebrother | but I guess you'll be better looking around for other solutions, like those replacement firmwares for linksys routers and similar |
15:59:03 | Siltaar | (I see, I see : dreaming student thought) |
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16:02:37 | JdGordon | bluebrother: what you rekon about only showing 1 cursor for a multi-line item? |
16:04:04 | bluebrother | when using the inverted bar as cursor only hilighting one line might look a bit strange |
16:04:24 | bluebrother | while with the cursor icon it most likely would be better, so ... |
16:05:26 | JdGordon | only the cursor is changes, inverted still inverts bnoth lines |
16:07:10 | bluebrother | I rarely use the cursor, but when I tried I found it somewhat strange that there are two > marks in the id3 viewer |
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16:26:18 | Lear | Buffering seems to work... Only slightly bad about the currently implementation is that list wrapping always forces a load (unless all fits in the buffer). |
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16:51:05 | scorche | ah....bagder is on vacation, isnt he... |
16:53:46 | moos | turkish vacation IIRC :-) |
16:54:25 | moos | lucky him... |
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17:19:39 | AlteredsEgo | errr who do I have to bug on here to get write permissions for wiki? |
17:20:05 | barrywardell | AlteredsEgo: what's your wiki name? |
17:20:15 | AlteredsEgo | AndrewPrice |
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17:21:18 | barrywardell | you should now have write permission :) |
17:21:52 | AlteredsEgo | thank you very much <is somewhat surprised at how little bugging that required> |
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17:22:50 | linuxstb_ | AlteredsEgo: Anyone with write access to the wiki can give others write access, so there's normally always someone around to do it. |
17:24:46 | AlteredsEgo | <is somewhat surprised by the intelligent approach taken by administrators, not used ot that either> |
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17:42:35 | MattCampbell | Can Rockbox do crossfading? |
17:43:45 | bluebrother | yes |
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17:44:52 | bluebrother | see the manual, Chapter "General Settings", section "Playback" |
17:55:08 | Viljar | Hey, you'll probably laugh your asses off, but can someone explain me step 3 here? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile |
17:55:39 | bluebrother | what platform are you using for compiling? |
17:55:49 | Viljar | windows xp |
17:55:55 | bluebrother | cygwin or vmware? |
17:56:51 | Viljar | I'm not sure.. |
17:57:19 | bluebrother | are you running vmware or vmware player? |
17:57:40 | bluebrother | or do you have a simple black box that looks exactly like the cmd window? |
17:58:53 | Arathis | Is there any plan to support png or jpg or even mng or gif for wps' ? or did I miss something and it already is? |
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17:59:27 | linuxstb_ | Arathis: What reason would there be? |
17:59:28 | bluebrother | Arathis, there are no plans that I know of. The images need to be converted, and that can be done more effeciently on the pc. |
17:59:59 | Arathis | why do they need to be converted? |
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18:00:37 | Redbreva | Anyone like to give me some feedback on http://dev.rockbox-themes.org/ - it's only UI code so far, but am I going the right way before I get to involved in the more complex code? |
18:00:43 | bluebrother | png and jpg use some way of compressing the images to save space. But for displaying you need to uncompress that again |
18:00:48 | Arathis | linuxstb_: just because of size matters. okay, wps images aren't that big anyway, I know. just wonderd though |
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18:02:01 | bluebrother | Redbreva, what exactly do you want to have feedback? Looks nice so far. |
18:02:02 | Arathis | bluebrother: ah, okay. didn't know about the uncompression. year's of working with gimp and I didn't know that. shame on me .. |
18:02:36 | linuxstb_ | Arathis: Also, a 1 byte image and a 32KB image will all take the same space on the disk (assuming the common 32KB cluster size) |
18:03:21 | Arathis | point taken |
18:03:43 | Redbreva | Is the page with the SOAP / NO SOAP logo clear enough for new users? BTW, if anyone has a better idea for patched/no soap logo I am happy to listen |
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18:04:46 | bluebrother | hmm, how about adding a count of themes to the overview page? |
18:05:50 | bluebrother | are Soap-approved themes intended to be all CC-licensed? |
18:06:39 | bluebrother | maybe making the "Soap-approved" logo a link to a description about what that approval is ;-) |
18:06:42 | Soap | That hasn't been discussed much yet. |
18:06:44 | Redbreva | Not sure, but it seemed a good option... They are creative works rather than code |
18:07:00 | Soap | license, that is. |
18:07:37 | Redbreva | the link..! That's what I was trying to remember .... !! |
18:07:44 | bluebrother | also, adding the license information to every theme would be good. But I guess that is already planned ;-) |
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18:09:23 | Redbreva | The licence info is currently only on files that have been submitted via the site, with the approval to the licence as part of the commit... |
18:10:11 | bluebrother | you could add a filter on the license as well |
18:10:15 | linuxstb_ | What about themes where the author clearly doesn't own the copyright to the images - things like cartoon characters, game characters or itunes/wmp/winamp clones? |
18:10:33 | bluebrother | i.e. show only themes with a cc license per default, and add a "show all" button |
18:11:20 | Arathis | Redbreva: what about a top 30/10 for each player? I can only find global charts atm |
18:12:30 | Redbreva | At the moment, player based stats are difficult to compile, as there is no database behind the site... :-( |
18:13:04 | Redbreva | I extract the global stats from the server logs provided by the ISP |
18:13:05 | bluebrother | how do you compile the stats anyway? |
18:13:07 | linuxstb_ | No database is a good thing though IMO. |
18:13:44 | Redbreva | I scrape the page with the ISP stats on into Excel, run a macro which exports the HTML table code |
18:13:57 | Arathis | Redbreva: couldn't you extract specific player stats out of the global ones? |
18:14:15 | bluebrother | you could replace the download links with a script that simply writes filename and resolution to a file. |
18:14:18 | linuxstb_ | Redbreva: awk or Perl is your friend... |
18:14:26 | Redbreva | The page only show the top 50 total |
18:14:45 | bluebrother | then you could even generate the stats live using GD |
18:14:52 | Redbreva | GD? |
18:15:03 | bluebrother | graphics library for php. |
18:15:33 | linuxstb_ | I think just generating the stats nightly would be sufficient - it would be a long process for the PHP script to do on every request. |
18:16:08 | bluebrother | you could cache that data and only regenerate it once a day or similar. |
18:16:16 | bluebrother | but doing this offline might be easier indeed. |
18:16:33 | Redbreva | It's also somewhat beyong my PHP skills, I am still heavilly abusing bluebrothers initial code!! |
18:16:54 | Redbreva | But I am getting better! |
18:18:05 | Redbreva | Hmm, would the link/script interfere with rbutil's workings?? |
18:20:09 | linuxstb_ | You should ask Domonoky, but rbutil can always be changed... |
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18:22:52 | bluebrother | if you have access to mod_rewrite you could even do that transparently |
18:23:51 | bluebrother | i.e. if someone downloads a zip file redirect to a script, and that script will count the download and redirect the data |
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18:27:38 | Redbreva | Once I get the back end to show just SOAP / Non SOAP themes on the page, I will look at device specific top 10 lists etc. But have to go now... Thanks for the suggestions |
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18:39:00 | Viljar | Can someone explain me 4. step here, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile |
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18:41:10 | Viljar | What is the path, and what has to be there? |
18:41:31 | dionoea | Viljar: the compile tools need to be in your PATH variable which is where the OS looks for executable stuff |
18:41:43 | dionoea | so you "echo $PATH" |
18:42:08 | dionoea | if the build tools are in directories listed in the output from that command then you're ok |
18:42:19 | dionoea | else you can add some directory to the path using: |
18:42:32 | dionoea | export PATH=/home/me/bin:$PATH |
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18:43:29 | Viljar | Okay.. i'll try.. |
18:43:44 | Zendefera | can the latest builds of rb play videos on the ipod yet? |
18:44:41 | Viljar | Yes, it can. |
18:45:00 | Zendefera | ok, :) the man needs to be updated hehe. |
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18:45:33 | Zendefera | I'm not sure if anyone will know, but can the rb database be navigated with voice support? |
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18:51:09 | Viljar | dionoea: how can i add sh-elf-gcc, siblings and 'perl' as needed to the path then? |
18:51:58 | dionoea | you're sure that they're not in the path already ? |
18:52:41 | dionoea | if they aren't, you find the name of the directory where they're stored and you run the export command i gave 10 minutes ago |
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18:56:38 | Viljar | i can't find them.. |
18:57:02 | dionoea | you're runing linux ? |
18:57:13 | dionoea | or windows & cygwin ? |
18:57:15 | Viljar | No, cygwin on win |
18:57:56 | dionoea | in cygwin, try runing: find /usr/local -name "sh-elf-gcc" |
18:58:25 | dionoea | i think that they're installed somewhere in /usr/local |
18:58:29 | dionoea | i'm not a 100% sure |
18:59:16 | dionoea | did you run the rockboxdev.sh script ? |
18:59:27 | Viljar | No |
18:59:54 | dionoea | well you'll need to i think. Unless the rockbox have a cygwin package with everything installed |
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19:00:13 | dionoea | that script installs all the needed tools like sh-elf-gcc |
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19:00:27 | dionoea | or arm-elf-gcc if you're building for ipod |
19:00:40 | Viljar | Oh, then ill have to run it. |
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19:00:44 | dionoea | it's in the tools/ directory in the rockbox source code |
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19:01:49 | Viljar | How can i launch the script now? |
19:02:01 | dionoea | you're in the tools directory ? |
19:02:46 | Viljar | yes |
19:03:02 | dionoea | run: ./rockboxdev.sh |
19:03:14 | dionoea | ./ tells it too look for the executable thing in the current directory |
19:03:22 | dionoea | else it only looks in directories in your PATH |
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19:04:10 | lozzy | Hi, will the Rockbox firmware play through a car dock on an iPod 5G? |
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19:05:07 | dionoea | i think that audio should play but i'm not sure that controls that you have on your car deck will work. (i'm pretty much guessing everything in this sentence :p) |
19:05:18 | bluebrother | the installation instructions for the cygwin environment mention that you need to add the rockbox site as source |
19:05:30 | bluebrother | as there are packages for the compilers on the rockbox site |
19:05:52 | benjamin | Hi I'm trying to gather info for fs#6896 and I looking for a good disassembler 'linux' that I can use to poke around the mi4 files with does anyone have a good suggestion? |
19:05:56 | bluebrother | but why not use the vmware image? It has everything already set up |
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19:06:23 | lozzy | dionoea.. I think it's just a dock. i.e. you plug it in and control it via the ipod itself? |
19:06:25 | lozzy | Thanks |
19:06:26 | bluebrother | disassembler "linux"? What do you mean −− a disassembler that runs on linux? |
19:06:32 | benjamin | yes |
19:06:49 | bluebrother | there is objdump ... |
19:07:06 | dionoea | lozzy: should work then (since line out works) |
19:07:15 | dionoea | best way to know is to test though :) |
19:07:21 | bluebrother | iirc mi4 only adds a header with a checksum. Check the build system ;-) |
19:07:33 | lozzy | great. I just wanted to know if lineout worked out through the funky connector thing at the bottom that ipods have :) |
19:08:11 | Cassandra | lozzy: the answer is, it depends. |
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19:08:29 | Cassandra | Some perhipherals work. Others, notably the iTrip FM Dock, don't. |
19:08:33 | benjamin | bluebrother: ok thanks |
19:09:03 | lozzy | thanks Cassandra |
19:09:47 | Cassandra | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodAccessories may help |
19:09:59 | linuxstb_ | benjamin: Have you seen this page about the mi4 file format? http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html |
19:10:10 | linuxstb_ | Cassandra: Hi, welcome back! |
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19:10:26 | benjamin | linuxstb_:yes many times :) |
19:11:00 | Cassandra | linuxstb, hi dave. Thanks. Did you do code integrating rbutil and the firmware patcher? Nice job if so. |
19:11:18 | linuxstb | benjamin: That tells you all you need to know - include the arm-elf-objdump command to disassemble. But IDA Pro is generally considered the disassembler of choice - you may want to try and get a copy if you're planning serious work. |
19:11:21 | * | Cassandra likes the interface changes also. I was planning to do something similar myself. |
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19:11:58 | linuxstb | Cassandra: No, Domonoky did all the work on rbutil, I just wrote ipodpatcher (and later sansapatcher). |
19:12:44 | Cassandra | Fairy nuff. Well, he's done pretty well (although some cleanup is still needed). We're not too far off a 1.0 release. |
19:12:49 | linuxstb | Cassandra: Did you ever get anywhere with the device detection and mapping USB devices to drive letters? |
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19:13:04 | Cassandra | linuxstb, nope, sadly. |
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19:13:18 | Cassandra | The last four months of my life have been taken up with moving. |
19:13:26 | linuxstb | I think simply detecting the type of DAP attached would be a nice thing to do though. |
19:13:36 | Cassandra | When you have as little energy as I do, that leaves no time for Rockbox. :( |
19:13:58 | Cassandra | Well, there's various things that can be done. |
19:14:10 | Cassandra | Once Rockbox is installed, we can do a detect no problem. |
19:14:24 | Cassandra | But of course the first install is the one you really want a detect for. |
19:14:31 | linuxstb | You mean by looking for a .rockbox directory/ |
19:14:32 | linuxstb | ? |
19:14:59 | crop | With the today's build, I've observed a weird behaviour of Follow Playlist. I started a song from the file browser, and, after the wps was displayed, pressed NAVI (on my H120). And the cursor was on the *next* song in the dir. |
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19:16:05 | crop | This occured several times. And then stopped occurring. I'm not sure if I can reproduce it reliably. |
19:16:52 | Cassandra | linuxstb, there's now a file in /.rockbox that tells us the target of the installed build. |
19:17:14 | Cassandra | Search for that and we have platform and drive letter. |
19:17:43 | crop | Is there a reason why the calender plugin is only present on one DAP? |
19:18:25 | Cassandra | It's /.rockbox/rockbox-info.txt |
19:18:28 | crop | It could be useful even on daps without RTC −− just to find out what day is on a specific date |
19:19:25 | Cassandra | Heading towards the more kludgy approach, if we can detect a platform we can possibly identify the drive by size. |
19:19:56 | Cassandra | crop: Probably no-one's ported it. |
19:20:37 | badsheepy | how can i turn on dircache in the uisimulator? i turn it on and it tells me to reboot, but its not on when i restart the sim |
19:21:32 | linuxstb | badsheepy: You need to make sure the sim saves the settings. e.g. try playing a music file after enabling dircache. Also, check the archos/.rockbox/config.cfg to see if it shows dircache is on. |
19:21:55 | crop | Cassandra: aha... |
19:22:05 | badsheepy | its in the config.cfg |
19:22:11 | crop | Has anybody experienced the folow playlist problem? |
19:22:18 | badsheepy | ill try playing some songs |
19:25:57 | linuxstb | badsheepy: Is your problem that setting is "off" whenever you start the sim, and you can't turn it on? |
19:26:15 | badsheepy | yes i think |
19:26:33 | badsheepy | i turn it on, tells me to reboot, the cfg file says it should be on, but debug menu says its not initialised |
19:26:46 | moos | crop: the "folow playlist" option is broken atm and since few weeks |
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19:59:43 | curtis | just loaded RockBox on my iPod Video 5g. Everything went fine but when I go to play a tune, it says "Codec Failure". Any suggestions? |
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20:02:34 | Cassandra | Usually a sign it's not been properly installed. |
20:02:35 | badsheepy | mine did that yesterday from a new build from svn |
20:02:52 | badsheepy | might be coincidence :) |
20:03:12 | Cassandra | Make sure the entire archive has been copied over. Not just rockbox.ipod or whatever. |
20:03:47 | Cassandra | The error usually indicates either a missing codec or a version mismatch between the codec and the firmware. |
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20:06:04 | curtis | Cassandra : i just downloaded it about 5 minutes ago. I extracted the zip file and then moved the .rockbox folder over and then ran the ipodpatcher. Everything seemed to go ok but then I got a codec failure |
20:06:16 | curtis | badsheepy : have you fixed yours? |
20:06:32 | badsheepy | i still have a previous build on mine which worked fine |
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20:06:43 | badsheepy | not a lot of help sorry :) |
20:07:39 | suomynona | Hi, when I type 'ipod_fw.exe -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin', I get "cannot open firmware image file bootpartition.bin". What am I doing wrong? |
20:07:40 | Cassandra | curtis: I'd still suspect the extraction didn't work properly. |
20:08:09 | curtis | Cassandra : should I copy the zip file onto the iPod and extract from there? |
20:08:19 | Cassandra | suomynona, you should have created bootpartition.bin earlier on in the process, if my memory serves. |
20:08:27 | suomynona | I did. |
20:08:39 | Cassandra | curtis, shouldn't make a difference, but you can do. |
20:08:40 | obo | no need with the new ipodpatcher - just run, and choose install |
20:09:17 | suomynona | cassandra, it told me "bootloader installed successfully." |
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20:09:26 | curtis | OK. I'll give it another go |
20:09:33 | suomynona | I'm trying to follow this tutorial: http://www.ipodwizard.net/wiki/index.php/Multiple_Themes |
20:09:57 | Cassandra | suomynona, then your bootloader is probably installed, and you don't have anything to worry about. |
20:10:09 | curtis | Cassandra : before I do this, should I delete the other .rockbox folder or just over write it? |
20:10:38 | suomynona | Cassandra, but I have to extract it on the tutorial because I need a clean install each time so the themes stay separate. |
20:11:03 | Cassandra | Those instructions are quite a bit out of date, I believe. |
20:11:29 | Cassandra | You're better off using the instructions for installing Rockbox from the Rockbox site. |
20:11:38 | Cassandra | I don't believe we even use ipod_fw any more. |
20:11:48 | suomynona | I'm just trying to install the loader, not rockbox |
20:12:14 | rotator | curtis: is the song you're playing happen to be one you bought from the itunes store? |
20:12:41 | Cassandra | curtis: writing over should be fine, but you might want to delete it if you want to make sure everything has actually installed where you think it has, and there aren't leftovers from an earlier install. |
20:13:03 | curtis | no. I ripped a cd to flac and one to mp3. |
20:13:07 | Cassandra | suomynona, perhaps you should try ipodwizard's support then. I'm not sure we can help you. |
20:13:23 | rotator | hmm, shouldn't be a problem then, just checking to make sure |
20:13:28 | suomynona | Cassandra, thanks anyway. have a good day |
20:13:30 | curtis | Cassandra : sorry to be a pest. Do you have to load the firmware again? |
20:13:37 | Cassandra | You too. |
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20:13:45 | Cassandra | curtis, nope, shouldn't be necessary., |
20:18:20 | Viljar | Is VMware-player best thing to compile under windows? I mean, first time for beginner. |
20:19:03 | Cassandra | It's pretty much best for everyone. We're not really set up for building Rockbox under Windows natively. |
20:19:12 | Cassandra | Or at least weren't last time I checked. |
20:20:03 | Viljar | But I'm not going to use Linux because of rockbox.. |
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20:20:36 | Cassandra | Viljar, you don't have to use it to use Rockbox. To compile Rockbox, however |
20:21:12 | Cassandra | You almost certainly have to use vmware to run a virtual linux machine designed for the purpose. |
20:21:27 | Viljar | Yea, thats was ma goal in the beginning.. |
20:21:30 | Viljar | my* |
20:21:50 | badsheepy | works fine in cygwin, but vmware is more nicely self contained |
20:22:37 | Cassandra | The word "natively" above was important. |
20:24:01 | badsheepy | i think thats unfair to poor windows :) |
20:25:46 | Cassandra | Yeah probably. |
20:26:02 | Cassandra | Oh dear. I don't think I have a record of my svn password |
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20:29:35 | curtis | Cassandra : that did it. I think what I did wrong was I loaded the patch from Julius to use his themes. I didn't copy the codecs, just the rockbox.ipod file. |
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20:30:29 | Cassandra | curtis: that sounds likely, yes. |
20:31:19 | curtis | Cassandra : live and learn ;) Thanks for the help |
20:32:24 | Cassandra | You're welcome. Nice to know my Rockbox knowledge hasn't all become obsolete in the last few months. |
20:32:28 | curtis | is there a good way to manage Podcasts? |
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20:33:59 | Viljar | Eurovision final is starting in 30 minutes.. |
20:34:59 | Viljar | We didn't make to the finals, but it's still interesting to watch the voting :D |
20:35:15 | Viljar | Someone will join me? |
20:36:45 | Viljar | I don't get it, whats up with my English today.. ;s |
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20:39:06 | Viljar | But i have on problem with rockbox, in database, i can see deleted artists and albums.. i have tried "update now" but it was running for 20 minutes with no result.. |
20:43:55 | curtis | So with RockBox, there's no video podcasts? |
20:45:32 | Viljar | Mm.. why not? |
20:46:23 | curtis | i copied a mp4 of dl.tv and it plays the audio but no video |
20:46:55 | Viljar | convert it to .mpg with WinFF.. |
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20:54:56 | HP_Owner | i have a question: I just installed Rockbox on my 1st gen ipod nano and it is working great. But then when i tried to play a .ogg file it froze and i had to restart |
20:55:01 | HP_Owner | is this normal? |
20:56:03 | HP_Owner | is anyone here? |
20:56:10 | HellDragon | lol |
20:56:20 | HellDragon | oops wrong channel |
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20:56:58 | AceNik | well i think ogg files have some problem , what bitrate u playing at ? |
20:57:14 | AceNik | search on the forums, for your problem |
20:57:24 | HP_Owner | im not sure.. i just ripped em right off the CD to .ogg |
20:57:47 | HP_Owner | k |
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21:15:28 | linuxstb | HP_Owner: Ogg vorbis files shouldn't have any problems. Although maybe if your ripper added id3 tags it could cause problems. |
21:17:03 | linuxstb | HP_Owner: Also, using an old version of the Rockbox bootloader or the ipodlinux loader2 will cause data aborts when playing any music. |
21:17:15 | HP_Owner | what are id3 tags |
21:17:34 | linuxstb | tags that shouldn't be in Ogg files - but some programs add them. |
21:18:30 | linuxstb | Which bootloader are you using? |
21:18:46 | HP_Owner | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ARCHIVE/bootloader-nano.bin |
21:18:48 | HP_Owner | that one |
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21:18:54 | linuxstb | Why? |
21:19:02 | linuxstb | That's in "ARCHIVE" because it's old... |
21:19:15 | HP_Owner | which one should i be using? |
21:19:23 | linuxstb | You should just follow the instructions in the manual and run ipodpatcher - that includes the latest bootloader. |
21:19:54 | linuxstb | Out of curiousity, what install instructions did you follow? |
21:20:53 | HP_Owner | http://www.thejosher.net/2006/02/25/how-to-install-rockbox-on-your-ipod |
21:21:02 | BHSPitMonkey | heh |
21:21:03 | linuxstb | Ouch, those are over a year old... |
21:21:08 | BHSPitMonkey | oh dear :P |
21:22:27 | linuxstb | HP_Owner: Those instructions are very old and very wrong - click on the "manual" link in the menu on the Rockbox website and follow the instructions in the Installation chapter. |
21:22:33 | HP_Owner | k |
21:23:01 | linuxstb | HP_Owner: You should just need to do the "install the bootloader" step - i.e. download ipodpatcher.exe and run it. |
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21:26:33 | HP_Owner | thank you, i installed the bootloader. |
21:26:38 | HP_Owner | Ogg Vorbis works |
21:27:05 | linuxstb | Good. |
21:27:29 | linuxstb | You may also want to read the manual, and also this page - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ |
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21:29:57 | webguest34 | I have just tried the SD Card patch for the Sandisk Sansa e240 and I can confirm that it works! Playing music and looking at pictures on the SD card (1 GB) works great! |
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21:31:51 | webguest34 | hm.. but I think the jpegviewer is missing a quit key-mapping (for Sansa), I can't figure out how to exit from it |
21:33:47 | * | preglow wants something that takes sd cards :/ |
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21:59:19 | Cassandra | Domonoky, yes, nice work there. A bit of tidying up and it should be ready for a 1.0 release. |
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22:00:43 | Domonoky | :-) unfortunally i will have less time in the future.. have to relocate (new job) , so hopefully someone picks it up :-) |
22:01:54 | Viljar | What will be ready for a 1.0 release? |
22:02:12 | Domonoky | rbutil, the Rockbox Utillity |
22:03:11 | Viljar | Where can i find information about it? |
22:03:45 | Domonoky | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility |
22:04:04 | Viljar | Thanks |
22:07:20 | Viljar | Does it uses rockbox loader? And will be music and other files affected, when installing rockbox and bootloader with it? |
22:07:43 | Cassandra | Domonoky, as the original author, hopefully I'll be able to take it back on now *I've* finished moving. |
22:08:05 | Cassandra | Viljar, your music will be unaffected. |
22:08:08 | Domonoky | Viljar: its like the normal rockbox installation, so no other files affected.. |
22:08:40 | Domonoky | Cassandra: thats good :-) so you take over while i am moving .. *hehe* |
22:09:54 | Viljar | Actually i haven't used a normal installation, i've had linux with loader2 installed before.. but what about the loader? |
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22:10:35 | Domonoky | if you use the bootloader install from rbutil it will install the rockbock bootloader like ipodpatcher does.. |
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22:11:19 | linuxstb_ | Viljar: But the bootloader install is a separate option in rbutil - so just don't use the rbutil bootloader install option. |
22:11:54 | linuxstb_ | You can still use it for everything else - installing/upgrading Rockbox itself, installing fonts, themes etc |
22:11:59 | Viljar | But do you happen to know, it it is possible to install loader2 without ipl installation and without affecting files on iPod? |
22:12:18 | linuxstb_ | Yes - "ipodpatcher -ab loader2.bin" |
22:13:15 | Viljar | I'm asking because my friend was interested in RB and i wasn't sure if it is necessary to make backup of files.. |
22:13:28 | Viljar | Well, thanks then :) |
22:17:27 | amiconn | wow, rare guest |
22:17:31 | amiconn | wb Cassandra :) |
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22:19:21 | Viljar | But i have on problem with rockbox, in database, i can see deleted artists and albums.. i have tried "update now" but it was running for 20 minutes with no result.. |
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22:20:17 | Cassandra | amiconn, thanks. Good to be back. |
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23:47:57 | zivan56 | anybody know how to pass through the two inputs in the AS3514 to output? Or just one of them? |