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01:59:54zivan56well sansa radio seems to be coming along, I am getting signal strength measurements
02:01:45zivan56now i just need to figure out how to get the sound to to the headphones
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02:03:26linuxstbzivan56: I guess you need to talk to someone with the datasheet - I assume you don't have it?
02:03:38zivan56linuxstb, yes thats true
02:03:56zivan56or just how to enable the aux in on the chip would be fine
02:04:42linuxstbSadly the datasheets aren't public, so you'll have to wait for someone who has them to help.
02:04:49linuxstb(I don't have them)
02:05:08zivan56any idea who does?
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02:07:00linuxstbdan_a (who hasn't been active for a while), barrywardell (not here at the moment), bagder (on holiday), austriancoder (not here very often)...
02:07:36linuxstbMaybe try sending an email to the rockbox-dev mailing list - that's probably the best way to reach people.
02:07:50zivan56ah, ok, thanks
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02:26:58zivan56well i hope some replies soon. I guess I will work on getting the driver into a single file (as opposed to the debug screen for now)
02:27:37ViljarCan someone help me out, what exactly has to be in the $path then, when it asks for amr-elf-gcc ?
02:28:16linuxstbViljar: Are you using cygwin?
02:28:29Viljarlinuxstb: yes
02:29:18linuxstbViljar: It's described in Step 4 on the wiki page -
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02:31:04Viljarexport PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:$PATH isn't helping, echo $PATH shows nothing
02:31:39ViljarAnd.. what is nano and vi?
02:31:54saratoga2anyone here reasonibly knowledgeable about makefiles?
02:32:05scorchein linux, they are text editors
02:32:07linuxstbnano and vi are text editors you run from the cygwin prompt.
02:32:27linuxstbsaratoga2: Reasonably....
02:32:42saratoga2the ffmpeg example code doesn't provide a makefile and I'm a little confused how i'm supposed to know what i need to compile
02:32:51saratoga2they literally just provide an apiexample.c file
02:33:38linuxstbProbably just gcc -o apiexample apiexample.c -lffmpeg
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02:34:03saratoga2so I would need to install ffmpeg first, and then I could link it like that?
02:35:37ViljarHow can i run nano or vi from cygwin then?
02:35:53saratoga2in cygwin just type nano
02:35:59linuxstbViljar: Type "nano /etc/profile" at the prompt
02:36:01saratoga2or nano filename,txt
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02:37:02linuxstbsaratoga2: Yes, you would need to install ffmpeg. You may also need to pass something like -I/usr/local/include/ffmpeg to gcc, depending on where the includes have been installed to.
02:38:07linuxstbViljar: But if "echo $PATH" is showing nothing in Cygwin, then something is very wrong with your installation.
02:38:13zivan56which screen does the radio (on the models that have one) use?
02:38:26linuxstbEr, the radio screen :)
02:38:32saratoga2linuxstb: regarding isntalling ffmpeg, is there someway to do a local install?
02:38:36zivan56heh, any idea what file it is it?
02:38:49Viljarlinuxstb: i'll try reinstall..
02:39:08zivan56ah, i though that was player specific
02:39:25linuxstbIt was, about 3 years ago... The directory needs renaming, or the files moving.
02:39:34zivan56i see
02:40:47linuxstbsaratoga2: What do you mean by local? You can install it somewhere in $HOME/
02:40:56saratoga2how would I do that?
02:41:15saratoga2right now I've just been doing make then make install, but I'd like to do this on a box i don't have root to
02:41:18linuxstbPass −−prefix=/home/saratoga/mydir to configure
02:41:38saratoga2i didn't even know you could give configure arguments
02:41:55saratoga2so it'd be ./configure −−prefix=/home/saratoga/mydir ?
02:43:10linuxstb−−prefix is a generic parameter for autoconf configure scripts. ffmpeg doesn't use autoconf, but it still supports it.
02:43:56saratoga2at this point, I've mostly given up trying to merge your old wmaplay code with the modern ffmpeg source
02:44:23saratoga2i'm curious how you made tha tprogram in the first place?
02:45:20linuxstbI didn't do the majority of the work - I started with the xmms-wma plugin which included a stripped-down version of ffmpeg.
02:46:12saratoga2i've seen that
02:46:24linuxstbI looked into updating it a couple of months ago, but gave up. That's why I suggested just forgetting about using ffmpeg directly, and starting from scratch.
02:46:28saratoga2at this point though half the api commands it uses don't even exist anymore they've changed so much
02:47:15linuxstbi.e. start by writing an ASF parser, with the ffmpeg code (and anything else you can find) as a reference. Then after that's working, try and incorporate the decoder itself.
02:47:26saratoga2yeah thats basically where I am
02:47:38saratoga2previously I tried to join the new deocder with the old api, but gave up
02:48:00saratoga2its just annoying since i have no real example code other then their generic decoder example, which until now i couldn't even build
02:48:21linuxstbOr the alternative is to spend a lot of effort trying to understand ffmpeg - which isn't a bad idea either, and it could be useful for extracting other codecs in the future.
02:49:05saratoga2another question
02:49:09saratoga2"make[1]: execvp: ./ Permission denied"
02:49:15saratoga2do i need to care about that?
02:49:27saratoga2sounds like documentation
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02:49:42linuxstbYes, it does look like documentation.
02:50:05linuxstbMaybe just "chmod +x docs/"
02:50:20linuxstbSorry, doc/
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02:50:32saratoga2yes stupid question on my part, i didn't see that file
02:50:54linuxstb"find . -name"
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03:00:12zivan56the radio stuff looks scary, I guess it needs some work to make it more generic (fmradio.c is really close to what is needed though)
03:00:43linuxstbI don't know the code, but it already supports 2 or 3 different tuner chips.
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03:02:03zivan56just tracing though to it figure out what it calls, where the init part is, etc
03:03:32linuxstbYou've seen firmware/tuner_samsung.c and firmware/tuner_philips.c ?
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03:05:53zivan56linuxstb, seems like i could just create a tuner_sanyo.c and go from there
03:06:31linuxstbThat would seem the way to go. But as I said I don't know the radio code at all.
03:06:53linuxstbSee also firmware/export/tuner.h
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03:08:00zivan56the samsung seems be the most similar to the sanyo one
03:08:23zivan56however, i still don't see where it is powered on/initialized
03:10:04linuxstbIt could be firmware/drivers/power.c - search for CONFIG_TUNER
03:10:43zivan56doh, makes sense
03:10:45linuxstbBut I need to sleep. Goodnight and good luck.
03:10:51saratoga2hold on!
03:10:52zivan56ok, thanks for the help
03:10:55saratoga2one question
03:11:04linuxstbOK, still here...
03:11:06saratoga2the local build
03:11:19saratoga2how do i tell gcc about it when i compile the example
03:12:17linuxstbAdd -I /home/whereever/include for the include path, and you may need -L/home/whereever/lib/
03:12:40saratoga2so gcc file.c -I /home/whereever/include for the include path, and you may need -L/home/whereever/lib/
03:12:57saratoga2sorry, cut the words out of that
03:13:09saratoga2gcc file.c -I /home/whereever/include -L/home/whereever/lib/
03:13:41linuxstbAnd don't forget -lffmpeg (or maybe -lavcodec), depending what is in the /home/whereever/lib directory.
03:14:05saratoga2what does the I and L options do then?
03:14:17linuxstbI is include path, L is library path
03:15:38saratoga2so -L/home/whereever/lib/ would point to the build directory for ffmpeg
03:15:52saratoga2and -I would point to the source code directory
03:16:57linuxstbNo, under the directory you passed as −−prefix, you should find a "lib" directory and a "include" directory - you point to those.
03:19:40saratoga2it didn't actually put anything in that directory
03:19:54linuxstbDid you run "make install" ?
03:19:55saratoga2though it did dump an ffbin folder on my desktop
03:19:58saratoga2yeah i did
03:20:22saratoga2ffbin just has ffmpeg ffserver and ffplay in it
03:21:07linuxstbThat's odd. But I really do need to sleep now so I'll have to leave you to it (it's 2.20am...)
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05:23:02scorchechrisjs169|brb: -christel- [Global Notice] This is your captain speaking; in a little while our main US hub will be going down for some maintenance. As you may feel some turbulence as we jump I would ask you to keep your seat in a upright position, stow the tray table and keep your seatbelt fastened while the fasten seatbelt sign is illuminated. Thank you for flying freenode and have a great day!
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05:40:29webguest20i need soem help
05:40:39webguest20i just had a data abort at 00040e00
05:40:39annulus_yeah its disconcerting... they're so helpful. i liked it better when i didn't know wtf was going on.
05:40:56webguest20dont know how to power down sicne menu button not working
05:43:14webguest20can someone please helpe me restart the sansa e200, it is not doing as it would normally
05:44:26chrisjs169|brbhold power for 15 seconds
05:45:15chrisjs169|brbwebguest20: are you using an official Rockbox build or are you using a prebuilt build at ABi? I've seemed to notice a lot of these data abort errors the last few days...
05:47:02webguest20nope it is an offical build
05:47:05webguest20this is my first day using it
05:47:17webguest20by the way the 15 seconds worked thanks
05:47:28webguest20any way i can get the original firmware to be the default
05:47:50webguest20i see some talk about reverse bootloaders on lodist forums but lost in how to use it
05:48:04chrisjs169|brbis it something like an mi4 file?
05:48:42webguest20it is just an .mi4 file
05:49:09chrisjs169|brbwhile this isn't the 'official' way (that being to use sansapatcher) you should be able to just save it to the root of the sansa, reboot into the OF (hold <<|) and it'll install it
05:50:23webguest20ill try that thanks
05:51:06webguest20by the way i am impressed by rockbox, thanks,
05:51:20webguest20maybe it could be a little more visually appealing but it is nice
05:52:13chrisjs169|brbyou can use a few themes ( which make it look better
05:53:16webguest20ya the .mi4 didnt install
05:53:45webguest20let me try again
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05:58:23ivanHi all
05:58:50jurriejust installed Rockbox on a Sansa e260 using my old Mac Mini.... pleasantly surprised that everything just worked... bought the Sansa explicitly for Rockbox hopes last fall... finally got around to installing it
06:00:38jurrieI've got tons of ogg content from my Karma to select from.... any recommendations other than "get a pretty WPS and enjoy it"? :-)
06:00:44ivanHmm and i'm trying to read How to install Rockbox on your iPod from Mac OS X
06:00:53ivanbut it says Please follow the installation instructions in the manual.
06:01:48jurriethose are the instructions... just be sure to download the firmware, fonts and bootloader .dmg and you should be all set
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06:04:01chrisjs169|brbi'm trying to figure out what the line of text was to force the OF to not refresh the database
06:04:09HellDragonhey Slowking_Man
06:09:19ivanI mean it's my first time trying to use rockbox
06:09:26jurrieivan: me too
06:09:26ivanbut sucks nothing for 5.5GB iPod yet
06:09:45webguest20anyone know how to get the reverse bootloader working?
06:11:20chrisjs169|brbwebguest20: i'm guessing you use windows?
06:11:34webguest20ya, i can use linux if that would be easier
06:11:40webguest20i dual boot windows/linux
06:11:42ivanoh ok
06:11:51ivanI want something for the5.5
06:12:28chrisjs169|brbwebguest20: i'm on linux right now, so it probably would be....i'm gonna compile a custom sansapatcher using the mi4 in the link you gave above\
06:15:41webguest20thanksa a lot
06:16:18webguest20by the way how hard is stuff like this, i know a slight bit of programming, would i be able to make custom patchers?
06:16:47chrisjs169|brbI dunno about custom patches, but what I do in ABi (custom builds) aren't too hard
06:17:09chrisjs169|brbwith making custom builds, all you really need to know how to do is use the patch command and make
06:17:29webguest20hmm interesting, i will have to read up on it
06:17:51webguest20well thanks so much for the file and the help, i will reboot to linux and try it out
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06:24:30jurrieivan: only a few minutes.... but this stuff isn't all too foreign to me.... pleasantly surprised that "it just works"
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06:27:28ivanoh ok
06:31:21KotjzeI though Rockbox supported .aac?
06:32:31scorcheit does
06:32:55KotjzeHow do I get it to work? :s My .aac files don't show up.
06:33:06scorchehow did you aquire them?
06:33:18KotjzeI converted them from mp3s
06:33:35scorcheand how did you load them ont he device?
06:33:48KotjzeCopy and paste? :s
06:34:06scorcheand what is your view mode setting on?
06:34:31KotjzeMusic. I tried changing to show all files, but it doesn't play the .aac files when I select them.
06:34:46scorchewhat did you encode them with?
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06:35:58scorchewell, first off, why would you want to convert from mp3 to aac?
06:36:23KotjzeWhy does that matter?
06:36:39scorchebecause it is likely very unnecessary
06:37:45scorchenot to mention it is transcoding
06:38:33KotjzeI don't really mind.
06:40:03ivanHey guys quick question
06:40:23ivanI did upto step 4
06:40:52ivanbut my ipod didn't restart
06:41:14ivanI mean everything went fine according to the installation
06:41:42ivanany idea?
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06:42:53KotjzeCan you help me figure out why I can't play the files?
06:42:54scorcheivan: hold select and menu at the same time
06:43:03scorcheKotjze: i am testing it atm
06:43:07ivanone sec let me try it
06:43:18scorcheKotjze: but why would you want to transcode from mp3 to aac?
06:43:37webguest36chrisjs169|brb hey
06:43:59webguest36the script didnt work i get rockbox error -4
06:44:09KotjzeIt doesn't matter.
06:44:29scorcheif it doesnt matter, then why do it?
06:45:06ivanok scorche what I did is this
06:45:22ivanafter the install was done I exited the term
06:45:27webguest36crap neither firmware loads now,
06:45:29ivanon my mac
06:45:31webguest36what should i do now?
06:45:37ivanthen I ejected the iPod
06:45:41ivanand it started to reboot
06:45:50ivanthen since nothing happened
06:45:51Kotjzescorche: Because I'm testing filetypes. I don't care if I'm losing quality by converting formats.
06:46:32scorcheKotjze: well, are you encoding using FAAD?
06:46:33ivanI switch the hold button and it says "rockbox boot loader" and other stuff then it says "No partition found"
06:46:54KotjzeWhat is that?
06:46:54ivanpress menu + sel to reeboot and sel + |> for disk mode
06:47:17chrisjs169|brbwebguest36: what script?
06:47:37chrisjs169|brbthe sansapatcher?
06:47:44scorcheKotjze: an AAC encoder....dbpoweramp has to use a seperate encoder that you tell it where it is at
06:47:49webguest36the one you gave me a moment ago
06:48:08chrisjs169|brbwhat's it doing?
06:48:14Kotjzescorche: The one I'm using is neroAacEnc.exe
06:48:30webguest36normal boot is rockbox error -4, left boot is rockbox error -i
06:49:32chrisjs169|brb-4 means the rockbox.e200 file is corrupt....looking into -i
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06:51:03chrisjs169|brbAFAIK anyways
06:51:22chrisjs169|brbdunno if this will work, but try also holding right (|>>) for verbose mod
06:51:56webguest36didnt change anything
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06:52:55webguest36is there a way to reset it?
06:52:58chrisjs169|brbin that case, you'll have to go into revovery mode
06:53:05chrisjs169|brbrecovery mode will work
06:53:06ivanany idea scorche
06:53:17webguest36how i go into that?
06:53:34chrisjs169|brbturn on hold, press power while holding REC
06:53:49scorcheivan: did you format it?
06:53:56ivanyes sir
06:54:01ivanlike brand new
06:54:03ivanwith iPOd
06:54:10ivanerr I mean iTunes
06:54:11scorcheivan: how?
06:54:24ivanI mean updated with itunes and then
06:54:27chrisjs169|brbwebguest36: should say something like Welcome to Recovery Mode [break] ****** [break] Please connect USB cable
06:54:53scorcheKotjze: that encoder is supported, so you are likely doing something wrong...codecs are not quite my speciality, so you might want to wait for someone else to help
06:55:01scorcheivan: you you formatted using itunes?
06:55:07webguest36i already had cable in so it said that and then said locked and unlocked a lot
06:55:17ivanI made it disk mode only using iTunes and then I unchecked the open itunes when ipod is connected
06:55:37ivanI unmounted using disk utils did what I was told in the man
06:55:37chrisjs169|brbwebguest36: yeah, mine seems to also say locked/unlocked a lot, you can just ignore that
06:55:42scorcheivan: yes, but how did you format it?...with itunes?
06:55:46chrisjs169|brbwebguest36: are you using windows or linux right now
06:55:47ivanyes sir
06:55:49ivanwith itunes
06:55:56scorcheivan: and you said you are on a mac?
06:56:02ivanyes sir
06:56:02webguest36i can switch if that would be eaier
06:56:09chrisjs169|brbeither will work
06:56:25scorcheivan: in that case, your ipod is formatted as HFS+ which is the wrong filesystem
06:56:37chrisjs169|brbmount the sansa as you normally would (usually there's an icon on the desktop)
06:56:41ivanwhat do I do then?>
06:56:54chrisjs169|brbwebguest36: once mounted, there should be one file, VERSION.TXT
06:57:01webguest36well kubuntu automounted it as a 16mb drive with only that file in it
06:57:22ivanscorche: but it's already been updated and restarted using iTunes
06:57:26ivanlike the new ver
06:57:42chrisjs169|brbok, grab the OF firmware from (I'm sure that works :P)
06:57:42ivanoh ok never mind I read what it just said
06:57:50chrisjs169|brband save it onto the 16 mb drive
06:58:36ivanhey scorche any idea when we will see something for 5.5 gen iPod?
06:58:47scorcheivan: the 80 gig?
06:58:56chrisjs169|brbsave/move it to the 16 mb drive if you haven't already
06:59:06scorchewell, we dont give you timeframes
06:59:14chrisjs169|brbnow, assuming you don't have any other files saved on the 16 mb drive (just the VERSION.TXT file and the PP5022.MI4 file) unmount the drive, turn off hold, and let it restart
06:59:16jurriestupid question: on Sansa, anyway to enable playback while charging? Manual doesn't explicitly address this subject, leading me to believe that it should be possible. My experience is that playback halts when the player is connected via USB and displays the USB screen.
06:59:33ivanoh ok but near future right I could expect something right?
06:59:46ivanscorche: so even though it's mac formatted I have to do what it says on that page?
07:00:08scorcheivan: the problem is that it is mac formatted
07:00:22ivanI have no windows :/
07:00:25ivanor a win box
07:00:35webguest36still get 2 same errors
07:00:43scorcheivan: read the second half of the page...
07:00:43webguest36need to unistall the bootloader?
07:00:56chrisjs169|brbwebguest36: that should have removed the bootloader....
07:01:19chrisjs169|brbwhat version of the OF are you using
07:01:22webguest36well i still get the rockbox bootloader with the same 2 errors
07:01:31chrisjs169|brbthe hebrew beta or the regular?
07:01:39ivanscorche: ok reading it now
07:02:02chrisjs169| looks like it didn't write the new bootloader
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07:02:44chrisjs169|brball I can really think of is trying recovery mode again
07:03:14webguest36should i try to use the script you gave me earileir with the u option
07:05:48webguest36nevermind the second time i tried the recovery mode it somehow worked
07:05:49webguest36thanks for the help
07:06:08ivanscorche: kinda lost
07:06:33ivanTo recreate the partition table of a Windows formatted iPod you need to download the partition table file that exactly matches your iPod model. You should save this file in the same folder as files you downloaded in step 1 a). <- but there is no location to save it
07:06:35chrisjs169|brbwebguest36: no problem...sorry the reverse bl didn't work
07:06:54webguest36thats ok, i will look into it some and see if i can learn more about it
07:07:27scorcheivan: it really doesnt matter where you save it as long as you are able to access that area
07:07:29webguest36i mess up my os with linux all the time, about time i started doing that with my mp3 player
07:08:00webguest36thanks for all the help. will see you later, bye
07:08:35ivanscorche: ok this is what I did so far.. connected the iPod then I unmounted with disk util then I d/l the bin file
07:08:40ivanthen what should I do?
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07:09:47scorchethen open the terminal, navigate to where you saved it, and type the command shown in step c
07:10:33scorcheivan: what ipod do you have?
07:12:21ivanI have the 20gb,60gb photo,60gb vid, 80gb vid and nano 8gb
07:12:30ivanbut installing it on the 60gb photo
07:13:41ivanok I don't know the # of the disk
07:13:44ivando I put disk1
07:14:20scorcheyou used ipodpatcher, yes?
07:14:32scorchewhat number did that give your ipod?
07:14:40ivanI don't think I did
07:14:48ivanok it's not funny :/
07:15:01scorcheno one is laughing..
07:15:11ivanI know I was telling myself
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07:15:20ivansorry just very new to this
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07:15:44ivanhow do I find out?
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07:17:54ivanscorche: still there?
07:23:45zivan56mmm, gotta love engrish datasheet
07:24:41ivanthis sucks
07:24:48ivankinda lost without scorche
07:26:42scorcheivan: run ipodpatcher and it should tell you what the device number is before it installs
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07:28:11ivanit says /dev/disk2
07:29:13scorchealright...then use that in the of section
07:29:38scorchebecareful though, as if you put the wrong number in, is a bad thing
07:30:42ivan[INFO] Ipod found - Photo/Color ("macpod") - /dev/disk2
07:30:42ivan[INFO] Reading partition table from /dev/disk2
07:30:46scorchevery bad thing..
07:30:53ivanI did bad?
07:31:01scorcheyou are fine
07:31:03ivanoh ok
07:31:03ivanool-182d0d60:~/Desktop ivan$ dd if=mbr-photo60gb.bin of=/dev/disk2
07:31:03ivan1+0 records in
07:31:03DBUGEnqueued KICK ivan
07:31:03ivan1+0 records out
07:31:03ivan512 bytes transferred in 2.376177 secs (215 bytes/sec)
07:31:07scorchethat says it is disk2
07:31:13ivanoh ok
07:31:17ivanjust wanted to make sure
07:31:22scorcheivan: move on to d
07:31:39ivanok trying
07:31:51scorchekeep in mind this will erase everything on your ipod too
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07:32:40ivanoh ok
07:32:41ivanI know
07:33:27ivanok it's being erased
07:33:54ivanname is DISK2S2
07:33:59ivanok done
07:34:20ivanthe hell does it have 55.8GB and not the full 60
07:34:26ivanI hate when that happens
07:34:52scorchethat is how drives are made....
07:35:07ivanok now use the ipod thinggie again>
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07:35:08scorchewe really dont need status knwo what to do now =)
07:35:24scorcheis it formatted as FAT32 now?
07:35:42scorchethen now you start off from the first step in the manual
07:35:51ivandoing it now sir
07:38:25ivanok weird it didn't auto reboot
07:38:37ivanafter exit ipodpatcher and then quit the Terminal application.
07:39:05ivanhmm on ipod it says
07:39:49ivanError! Can't load file not found
07:44:25ivanany idea?
07:44:51scorcheyou didnt reload the firmware onto the device after you formatted it
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07:45:44ivanI ran the ipod thinggie
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07:46:25scorcheyou have to extract a build onto the root of the device
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07:46:35ivanand how is that done?
07:46:55scorchesection 2.2.3
07:49:01ivanok now i'm really lost
07:49:43scorcheof the manual
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07:49:50ivanno no I mean
07:50:03ivanI thought all I needed was the patch and the FAT32 thing
07:50:23ivani'm kinda lost at the ownload your chosen version of Rockbox from the links
07:51:09DarthShrineIs the iAudio X5 a good player?
07:51:48scorcheDarthShrine: stop have got enough responses...
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07:52:03DarthShrinescorche, I have..? I have a bad memory.
07:52:20scorcheyou have been asking about it for around a week now..
07:52:38DarthShrineA week? I only knew about it yesterday... Anyway, sorry.
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07:56:12ivanok I extract everything to the iPod first?
07:57:44ivangah it's not working
08:03:01ivannever mind I got it in
08:03:25ivanit worked yay
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08:07:49ivanscorche: THANK YOU SO SO SO MUCH
08:08:17scorchethe caps arent needed =P
08:08:28ivanjust so excited
08:08:48ivannow I have to figure out how to put the fonts and themes in there
08:08:50ivanand music
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08:10:10scorchethe manual helps =)
08:10:22ivanreading it now
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08:29:28ivanok scorche kinda lost again
08:36:42scorcheivan: with?
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08:37:27ivanI dl'ed a theme
08:37:35ivanbut I can't seem to get it to work
08:37:47ivannor do I get how to load the mp3s yet :/
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09:03:33ViljarHuh, finally got cygwin to compile..
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09:21:24ViljarHow can i exit nano in cygwin? :s
09:22:35DarthShrineViljar, Err, ctrl-x?
09:23:28Viljar^ means ctrl? ;s
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09:33:00ViljarHmm, editinh path it /etc/profile doesn't seem to work, echo $path results nothing.
09:33:34ViljarEntering manually export PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/opt/sh/bin:/opt/m68k/bin:/opt/arm/bin:$PATH worked well..
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09:34:06DarthShrineViljar, I think you have to `source /etc/profile` if you do that.
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09:36:42ViljarIf i do what?
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09:40:09amiconnViljar: $path is not the same as $PATH
09:40:55DarthShrineAh, that too.
09:41:05ViljarOkay, that was the thing :D
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09:59:32ViljarWhich usblogo is used on iPod nano? 176x48x16 ?
10:02:46n1si'd guess so...
10:05:09HellDragoni think
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10:06:55*JdGordon _finally_ gets a chance to play with the sd card patch
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10:12:31Learjdgordon: tried to have a "2-line" list initially select the second entry. It was scrolled half a selection down (though no scrolling was necessary)...
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10:15:54LearOnly half of the first entry was visible.
10:16:12LearIn this case, it didn't look very good, as the line was empty...
10:16:36JdGordoncan you put up a screenshot? im not 100% sure what your talking about ;;;
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10:20:46LearDCC ok?
10:21:19JdGordonmight be, not sure if port forwarding will work
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10:21:30LearOk, I'll give it a try then...
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10:29:28waf3rHello all, does anyone know why I cant register for the forum?
10:30:10JdGordonthere could be any number of reasons....
10:30:21JdGordontelling us the error you are getting would be helpful
10:31:45waf3r"Flyspray cannot provide the page you requested. Perhaps you requested a task that does not exist, or you do not have permission to view the page you wanted.
10:31:45waf3rYou may have tried to use a naughty URL to interact with the database backend using SQL injection. If this is true, go to the corner and think about your actions. When you return, please do not do it again!
10:32:54scorchewaf3r: you mention the forum, and yet you give us an error from flyspray?
10:33:09*scorche has always loved that error message
10:33:14waf3rindeed, just following the link I was given :)
10:33:52scorcheyes...that is flyspray..not the forums
10:34:28waf3rI can see where going to get far today...
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10:35:52waf3rI wish to report bugs, which as I understand it was through the tracker page is it not?
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10:36:24scorchebut you opened up by saying that you cant register for the forum...
10:36:46scorcheso did you mean flyspray (tracker) instead of forum?
10:36:55waf3rindeed I did :)
10:38:03scorchewell, i get to that page just it after you hit "send code" that you get the error?
10:40:06scorchethat works fine for me as well
10:42:05waf3rah.. it must be the space in my username that did it, ok thanks
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12:07:40pixieUh, my iPod bugs when it tries to charge. It can boot normally without the cable, but then when you put the cable in, it reboots, shows an image of a battery with a triangle with an '!', and just won't charge
12:08:40pixieNow it has an image of a battery with a lightning strike, but I'm not sure if its actually charging..
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12:20:30bluebrotheryou can put it into emergency disk mode, in that mode it will charge
12:20:46pixieI juts left it for a few minutes and it rebooted itself three times and fixed itself
12:21:14linuxstb_Kotjze: I saw your question about .aac files in the logs - Rockbox doesn't support raw AAC files, only AAC in an MPEG-4 container (i.e. .m4a or .mp4).
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13:06:49linuxstbaustriancoder: Looking at Ivan's email, he's in a GMT-8 timezone, so is very likely sleeping at the moment... His nick is zivan56 (he was here last night).
13:07:21austriancoderlinuxstb: thanks for the info :) So I will modify the dirver and he can test
13:13:28pixelmaSoap: searching for a fast and easy way to build rockbox on a slow machine - how's installing CoLinux? Second question: is the issue with sim builds solved (re. you comment in the wiki)?
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13:38:26Learjdgordon: removing a couple of ACTION_BMS_* enums doesn't affect the plugins, does it?
13:38:59JdGordonpossibly.. but it shuoldnt
13:40:36PaulJamHi, there seem to be some problems with the playback menu in plugins: 1 when pressing STOP in the playback menu the uisimulator crashes. 2 when playback is stopped and you select the play/pause entry the statusbar indicates playback, but nothing is playing and the wps shows "no file".
13:41:02PaulJamshould i open a bugreport or will someone look at this?
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13:53:19JdGordonPaulJam: pressing stop? or using the stop menu item?
13:55:00JdGordonhmm.. 1) doesnt crash he e200, 2) is a bug.. report please
13:57:13PaulJamJdGordon: the button, not the menuitem. both bugs only seem to happen in the uisim.
13:57:42JdGordonthe 2nd happens on the e200, so probably is a bug
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14:11:13JdGordonaustriancoder: hey, we still arnt 100% sure if the EU e200's actually have the fm tuner right? if there a softare test to see if mine does? or is the only way to know by opening it?
14:19:53thegeekI think I saw a picture where a chip was missing
14:21:09JdGordonbugger oh well :p
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14:25:09JdGordonLear: hey, I tihnk I know what causes your problem before...
14:25:45JdGordontry selecting 3 instead of 2...
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14:27:10LearNo, that would select the wrong thing. I tried 1 first, and that wasn't nice either. :)
14:27:16LearBtw, bookmark patch updated.
14:27:41JdGordon3 doesnt select the 2nd line of the 2nd item?
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14:30:48LearYes, but that'd be wrong. IIRC, it would then also select first line of third item.
14:31:09JdGordonit would? oh nuts :p
14:31:37LearThe problem I saw was that the list scrolled half an item down when no scrolling was needed.
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14:32:55LearI think I see why now; the remote needed it...
14:35:05JdGordonLear: does the updated patch have the extra item?
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14:44:46moosLear: what's about code size impact atm? green or red? :)
14:45:12*JdGordon would be ok if that patch made red
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14:46:05moosindeed, but maybe that make things better and reduce a bit
14:46:33moosremoved some unused code...
14:46:38LearNo idea, as of yet... :)
14:46:55JdGordonLear: got a patch with the dud first optio so I can test my fix?
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14:47:55LearNot with a call to _select_index, no, and in the current code you need to do a bit more than just add that line...
14:48:14JdGordonI figured...
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14:51:01JdGordonhmm my "fix" doesnt work....
14:51:16JdGordonwhat you could do is check if the 2nd line is the first line bing displayed
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14:56:57JdGordonamiconn: are the HAVE_MMC #ifdefs in apps/talk.c wrong? shouldnt they be target based? (or similar)
14:57:14amiconnThey are correct
14:57:25amiconnOr rather, the best possible atm
14:58:51JdGordonwell, is that code just for ondio?
14:59:10amiconnYes, atm
14:59:16JdGordonor is it actually for targets with external memory?
14:59:36amiconnNo, it is for targets with slow disk reading but no spinups
14:59:50LearBtw, code is reduced by ~400 bytes here (different compiler version).
15:00:21JdGordonamiconn: and low ram also?
15:00:37JdGordontoni has reused HAVE_MMC for the e200 which is probalby a bad thing
15:00:44amiconnOr rather, yes
15:00:54moosLear: better code, nicer one and reducing at same time, that's nice :)
15:00:59JdGordonslow disk, no spinup and low ram... i.e ondio...
15:01:04amiconnThe deal is that loading an entire voice file on Ondio takes about 6 seconds
15:01:07JdGordonLear: nice one :)
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15:01:34amiconnSo if the voice file needs to be (re)loaded, e.g. when using the menu after playback ended, the delay would be nasty
15:01:56JdGordonI see
15:02:13amiconnThe #ifdef HAVE_MMC code in talk.c only loads the header immediately, and then loads the clips when they are needed the first time
15:02:32amiconnThe structure in memory is still the same as if the clips would be loaded at once
15:02:46JdGordonwould it be safe to assume that all external storage cards would have hotswapping?
15:03:08amiconn.i.e. the clips are loaded to the same place im memory where they would be loaded when reading the entire voice file at once
15:03:19amiconnThis way voice is practically instant on Ondio
15:05:20JdGordonok, HAVE_MMC seems to be the wrong define fo external cards...
15:05:39JdGordonthe ondio has internal storage also doesnt it?
15:06:49*JdGordon goes to fix the sdcard patch to do not use the HAVE_MMC define
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15:10:37JdGordonwhats a better name for external cards?
15:20:28JdGordonHAVE_EXTERNAL_STORAGE is what im using... but yours may be better
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15:21:02JdGordonamiconn: pixelma, would you be able t test this patch asuming it works on my sansa correctly shortly?
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15:21:54amiconnJdGordon: There's HAVE_HOTSWAP iirc
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15:22:23JdGordonamiconn: well Ive just &&'ed HOTSWAP and MULTIVOLUME as im not sure if they are always both set
15:22:34JdGordonwould hotswap be enough though?
15:22:42amiconnNo they aren't
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15:22:50amiconnHOTSWAP requires MULTIVOLUME
15:22:59JdGordonok, then Ill just use hotswap
15:23:07amiconnBut MULTIVOLUME can be used alone, e.g. if you want to use 2 partitions
15:23:26amiconn(rare usage case, but I know this is used)
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15:24:33pixelmaJdGordon: maybe (can't guarantee as I'm not at my usual box and have to take a different route...)
15:26:10JdGordonpatch seems to work here.. I wonder if any of the crashes toni had was becasuse he misused the HAVE_MMC define
15:26:22JdGordonI can do a compile for you if you want pixelma
15:28:39JdGordonamiconn: pixelma: function names need renaming, but the rest is good
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15:29:13JdGordonthat has the sd patch as well, I dont tihk it will interfere with ondio builds
15:30:31pixelmathat would be easier... what is there to test? (If it could take bit longer, it would be kind if you could uncomment the "HAVE_BACKLIGHT" in the confog-ondiofm for me :)
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15:32:37JdGordonpixelma: sp or fm? the test is just if disc access (and ext mmc) is broken at all
15:32:53JdGordon... If it is, you still can access usb right?
15:35:44pixelmaFM - well I would think so but maybe better to leave it to the expert
15:38:13JdGordonwell, it compiles without warnings, and ata_mmc.c is compiled, so it shhuoldnt be bad
15:39:06chrisjs169|brbJust to confirm, data aborts (sansa) are usually caused by an old bootloader, correct?
15:39:22JdGordonnot always, but could be
15:39:33chrisjs169|brbwhat could be other reasons?
15:39:36JdGordonif your using a really old one... as in before dual core
15:39:46linuxstbAn old bootloader will always cause data aborts, but not vice-versa...
15:40:14linuxstbchrisjs169|brb: Bugs.
15:41:17chrisjs169|brblinuxstb: what do you mean by vice-versa? As in a new bootloader can still sometimes cause data aborts?
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15:41:39pixelmaJdGordon: ok... I'll test but will do a break in a few
15:42:23*moos doesn' have his ondio around for test, sorry JdGordon :(
15:42:41linuxstbchrisjs169|brb: Old bootloaders are not the only cause of data aborts.
15:43:11chrisjs169|brblinuxstb: Ok, so what could be other possibilities for data aborts?
15:43:52*linuxstb has a feeling of deja-vu
15:44:19JdGordonshit... i dropped my mSD card :'( its too bloody small
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15:47:06pixelmaJdGordon: for a complete test (what happens when connecting USB first and then powering on) I'd need the rockbox.ucl too
15:47:53JdGordonas long as the mmc still works the whole thing shold work
15:48:00JdGordonso you dont need to go al out testing...
15:48:31JdGordonhow does a small black piece of plastic just disappear?
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15:51:13andrewg877hey all
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15:53:01andrewg867austriancoder: I had modified the core as3514 a while back to enable the mic and line ins
15:53:24andrewg867and its great to see someone actually finish that driver :) I really don't have much time lately
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15:56:07linuxstbSoap_: Any luck finding another test track?
15:58:21pixelmaJdGordon: seems to work correctly... I just wonder why there is no rev number in your compile ;)
15:58:42pixelmabut I'm off now for a while - bbl
15:58:52JdGordonpixelma: great :) because I have blank docs/VERSION to speed up he build
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16:02:59senabi'm looking at getting a new flash memory based player
16:03:52senablooking at the ports currently available (h10, nano, sansa) which has the longest battery life when using rockbox?
16:04:05JdGordonh10 isnt flash
16:04:19JdGordonsansa and nano have about the same batt life atm
16:05:13senabi read somewhere that the dac isn't working great on the sansa
16:05:29JdGordonbut there is a patch which makes it much better
16:05:39JdGordoncant remember why its not being cmmited
16:05:46senabdo you know if it sounds that bad?
16:06:23JdGordonmy ears are shot so i dont know what everyone is saying about tinny sound.. but the channel swapping is noticable every so often
16:07:07senabhmmm, i dont really want a nano as you can't get a new 1g nano
16:08:24preglownano sounds decent, at least
16:09:02senabi could get one cheap too
16:09:09JdGordonIve tplayyed with both and find the sansa easier to use
16:09:15preglowprobably is, yes
16:09:22JdGordonthe nanaos small screen and the ipod wheel in general sucks
16:09:45senabi'm used to the wheel with the 5g though
16:09:57preglowthe wheel is ok, but rockbox' handling of it is not :/
16:10:55*preglow looks forward to slasheri's Real COP Support Patch (tm=
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16:11:36senab"slasheri's Real COP Patch" ??
16:11:53senabisn't the COP already being used?
16:12:06linuxstbNot by core Rockbox, only mpegplayer.
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16:12:32senabi thought the audio core was moved onto it?
16:12:40JdGordonnot yet
16:13:01linuxstbIt is, but I think the concensus is that the codec thread moves back to the main CPU immediately...
16:13:18linuxstbHence the lack of any performance increase.
16:13:38preglowand i wouldn't know, but i trust slasheri implicitely when he says clever stuff like that :>
16:13:41senabahhh ok
16:14:30senabi think i might find a 2nd hand nano somewhere
16:15:53senabwooo, they're still pretty expensive
16:16:03senabi can pick up a 2g version cheaper
16:16:03linuxstbsenab: There are two plus points for the Sansa - FM radio and a SD slot for expandability
16:16:16linuxstbAnd I'm sure any audio issues will be resolved.
16:17:05senabis the external memory card being worked on?
16:17:12linuxstbThey also seem relatively cheap - $160 US for an 8GB model. What do old Nanos sell for?
16:17:39senababout 90 for a 4gb (around $175)
16:17:42linuxstbsenab: Yes, there's a working patch on the patch tracker.
16:17:59preglowlinuxstb: far from all sansas have radio
16:18:13senabi'm not too bothered about radio anyway
16:18:15linuxstbpreglow: Good point - you need to make sure you import a US model.
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16:18:21preglowsenab: i think i'd go sansa in a hearbeat if i got to choose now
16:18:26linuxstbBut some UK sellers on ebay seem to be selling FM versions.
16:18:52preglowthere's nothing so cool about the nano that i'd rather have it than the sansa
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16:19:09schulaone question is it possible to play oggs on the sansa?
16:19:26senabi prefer the look of the sansa anyway
16:19:46JdGordonits slightly fatter than the nano though
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16:19:55senabi like the horizontal screen too
16:20:11senabits so i can use it at the gym, etc
16:20:20linuxstbpreglow: Did you notice test_codec now has wav-writing?
16:21:00linuxstbpreglow: It would be useful if you could have a quick look at some point to see if it's OK. I tested all the lossless codecs and they're giving md5-perfect results, but I'm not sure about the lossy codecs.
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16:21:10Mo0oSaHif i use rockbox, will ipod work the same way on amarok?
16:21:39Mo0oSaHalso, if I want to go back to the vanilla ipod... is possible?
16:21:58linuxstbMo0oSaH: Rockbox doesn't read the itunes database - you either browse the files from the file browser, or use Rockbox's own database which it creates from the tags in your files.
16:22:20senabamarok can build a database from directory anyway.... i think
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16:22:36senabdoes rockbox work on the e250?
16:22:37linuxstbAnd yes, you can dual-boot between the Apple firmware and Rockbox.
16:22:39preglowlinuxstb: i was planning on checking it out later
16:22:49JdGordonsenab: yep
16:22:55Mo0oSaHlinuxstb: thanks
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16:23:29senabohh i get the model numbering now
16:23:45senabi thought the 250, 260,etc were new models
16:23:58*senab slaps forehead
16:26:57senabis the radio only the US models then?
16:27:07Nico_Plinuxstb: what do you want to do with the bmptar patch ?
16:27:44schulahm, if i try to add an ogg file to the playlist, it just say loading
16:27:49Nico_Pand have you by any chance tweaked the script to make it include the pb and backdrop bitmaps in the tar and not create the directory ?
16:28:01senabschula: are you using the original firmware?
16:28:03schulasenab: no, i have one with an fm tuner
16:28:12schulasenab: i use rockbox :)
16:28:27senabit sound the oggs then ;)
16:28:42linuxstbNico_P: No, I haven't touched the script since my last patch. I'm not sure what to do with it - maybe try and get other people to test it and see if it gives them any speedups.
16:29:32desowinobo: yay for your audio_set_track_changed_event() patch :-)
16:29:41Nico_Pdo we want to included it if it doesn't improve speed ?
16:29:45senabshula: whats the radio reception like on the sansa? good enough to record from?
16:29:53obodesowin: :) does it work okay for you then?
16:30:21*obo crosses fingers
16:30:34schulasenab: didnt use it :)
16:31:18linuxstbschula: Do you get the same problem with all your ogg files?
16:31:43senabshula: how old is the ogg also?
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16:32:00schulalinuxstb: i got it, yeah. i used not the official build, and now it works
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16:38:59senabi've got an exam in it tomorrow :-|
16:39:04Nico_Plinuxstb: do we want to include the patch if it doesn't improve speed ?
16:39:11senabat least we start C next year
16:39:31juxtapsenab, CS?
16:40:24moosNico_P: isn't the speed a plus only?
16:40:40senabjuxtap: yep. I can code in Java all day long, its just stuff like design and background to OOP that kills me
16:40:55senabsends me to sleep lol
16:41:38Nico_Pmoos: yes, I think having the bitmaps in a tar is a nicer way to distribute WPSs, but maybe everyone doesn't agree on that
16:41:51juxtapyeah i hear you
16:42:30senabi mean does any programmer use "design patterns"?
16:42:42moosNico_P: maybe try to put a mail in the list for have differents opinions ???
16:42:59Nico_Pgood idea
16:43:04schulasenab: yes
16:43:41linuxstbNico_P: The downside is that it complicates the WPS loading code.
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16:44:38Nico_Pa few days ago I was trying to find a way to make the loading reuse as much code as possible between the two parts but it wasn't easy
16:44:56Nico_Pbut it's that mich code anyway
16:45:11senabschula: true actually
16:45:22preglowsenab: plenty of programmers use design patterns
16:45:33preglowsome places use it extensively
16:45:40linuxstbNico_P: Something else that's been discussed in the past is supporting partial bitmaps - i.e. letting WPS authors put multiple images in the same bmp file.
16:46:00JdGordonlinuxstb: I thought that idea was rejected completly
16:46:02linuxstbIn the same way as the icon strips work for example.
16:46:08Nico_Pyes I remember... how does a tar compare to a multimple bitmap ?
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16:46:24Nico_PIMO tars are mich simpler for WPS creators
16:46:32schulasenab: this improve much things, its easyer to read, and if you use e.g. factorys you just can change a module
16:46:45JdGordonNico_P: not creators on windows...
16:46:55JdGordonhow do you make a tar in windows? with winrar?
16:47:03linuxstbJdGordon: I think it was rejected if the WPS designer has to put all bitmaps in a single .bmp. But I think it's a useful feature on its own.
16:47:10senabschula: true, i hold my hands up :D
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16:47:34schulaJdGordon: hm, why? rar, tar
16:47:44linuxstbJdGordon: i.e. not put a whole WPS in one bitmap, but things like the codec icons would naturally fit into a strip.
16:48:05senabJdGordon: 7Zip
16:48:10linuxstb(and would make life easier for wps designers IMO)
16:48:23Nico_Phmm indeed that would be nice
16:48:25JdGordonah, yeah that sounds ok
16:48:31preglowthings which belong together should be grouped in a file
16:48:43senablinuxstb: that would mean pixel perfect alignment though
16:48:44preglowlike battery icons, codec icons
16:48:57preglowsenab: if you're an artist, you're used to aligning by pixels
16:49:11preglowshoulnd't be news
16:49:30senabi'm just saying it would be harder for people not used it
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16:50:02linuxstbFrom what other people have said, a lot of skinning systems support or even require multiple images in the same image file.
16:50:57Nico_Phow could it work ? specifiy an index in the bitmap or force grouping of pictures that go together ?
16:51:09linuxstbI haven't thought that far...
16:51:21preglowthe order/alignment could be hardcoded
16:51:40preglowall images that belong in a category should be of equal size anyway
16:51:45senabit would logically be ordered correct anyway
16:52:04linuxstbMaybe extend the %x command to take x,y,width,height parameters.
16:52:25JdGordonjust height is needed.. width can be taken from the bmp dimensions
16:52:28preglowif you're making a file with battery level icons, they'd be ordered from low level to high, codecs bitmaps would be in a preset order, etc
16:52:47XavierGrI think that I prefer that tar idea much better
16:52:54preglowi'd like them to be combined
16:53:03linuxstbXavierGr: It's not an either/or - partial bitmaps are unrelated to tar.
16:53:11XavierGrah okay then
16:53:14XavierGrboth can be good
16:53:37XavierGrbtw wasn't there a patch that enabled tar support on wps?
16:53:46senabhow does the tar work? are files "decompressed" on the fly?
16:53:54Nico_Phaving conditional pics grouped could allow using more pictures and special tags that use the pictures without any coding required from the WPS creators
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16:54:12Nico_PXavierGr: there was and I updated it recently
16:54:14linuxstbXavierGr: Yes, I wrote one a while ago, and Nico_P is working on updating/improving it.
16:54:44linuxstbsenab: tar files are uncompressed. It's simply [512-byte header][file 1 padded to a multiple of 512 bytes][512-byte header][file 2...] etc
16:55:02XavierGrlinuxstb: what was the main reason for not commiting it?
16:55:38preglowdidn't it require a specific order?
16:55:38senablinuxstb: what i mean is, is the whole tar uncompressed upon opening of the tar? or are individual files retrieved when needed?
16:55:39linuxstbMy original version required the .bmp files in a certain order in the .tar, which wasn't nice. We're discussing Nico_P's version now (which doesn't have that limitation).
16:56:13linuxstbsenab: images are just read from the .tar in the same way as from a .bmp
16:56:18Nico_Psenab: they are read in order, all at once
16:56:28XavierGrwell it would be good to have that feature, then rockbox could proceed and choose a default wps at last.
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16:57:24preglowwhy do we need that patch to choose a standard wps?
16:57:27linuxstbXavierGr: I've been trying to persuade people to make iCatcher (the best IMO of the currently shipped themes) but there were strong objections to it...
16:57:50preglowi'd support icatcher too, after a few mods
16:57:51senabiCatcher is horrible for large screens
16:57:52Nico_PI'd love iCatcher as default
16:57:55pregloweven as it is, it's still the best
16:57:59Nico_Psenab: I don't agree
16:58:02XavierGrlinuxstb: yeah I completely aggre
16:58:11linuxstbsenab: I use iCatcher on my gigabeat and like it...
16:58:17Nico_Psame here
16:58:21senablast time i tried icatcher on my 5g it was horrible
16:58:26Nico_Pmaybe nimbus 19 is a bit big though
16:58:27XavierGryeah it looks ok to me in gigabeat too
16:58:33*JdGordon hates icatcher, but doesnt care seen as the first thing after an accidental reset is load my favorite theme
16:58:58Nico_PI think it's definitly much better than the default WPS for a newbie
16:59:12XavierGralso Genre9mp3 was very confused because obviously he couldn't keep everyone happy
16:59:16Nico_Pand that alone should be enough to make it the current default until something better appears
16:59:35XavierGrhe kept changing things only to find that other people disliked the new change that others proposed
16:59:44DiDjCodtdionoea: bouh !
17:00:00preglowthe only thing i dislike about icatcher, is it's too busy
17:00:02linuxstbXavierGr: He should have just gone with what he wanted - you can't design a WPS by committee...
17:00:06preglowtoo much info
17:00:20linuxstbpreglow: You're not the only one to say that, but I would complain it's lacking info...
17:00:26XavierGralso I think it is the only WPS around that it is true multi platform as far as I remember
17:00:50XavierGrmulti target I mean
17:01:06XavierGrdoes rockboxed supports remote screens?
17:01:14preglowlinuxstb: if it is to be default, it should be as little confusing as possible, and even i didn't understand what a couple of the figures meant
17:01:40preglowlike a number that just popped up from time to time and represented the accurate battery level, despite being far from the actual indicator
17:01:47linuxstbXavierGr: Yes, but I don't think we have to use the same theme everywhere. e.g. we may not want to use icatcher on the Archos devices, but just keep the existing default there.
17:02:01senabi was thinking of making a new wps once my exams are over, maybe i'll make it multi platform
17:02:06linuxstbpreglow: OK, I agree with that. But I'm happy to ignore things I don't understand :)
17:02:23XavierGrpreglow: that was fixed
17:02:37XavierGra little thunder icon was added to show the battery
17:03:19Nico_PI love having both the icon and the precise value for battery and volume
17:03:26XavierGrme too
17:03:46senabthats a must for me
17:04:09senabmy personal favourite wps at the mo is 'Escape Pod AA'
17:04:52XavierGrI still remember Genre9mp3 describing to me how difficult was to make a wps multi-target and still keep the main layout without worsing the looks of it
17:05:01preglowXavierGr: i still think that's info that should be left out instead of using space
17:05:08Nico_Psenab: I like EscapePodGB a lot
17:05:10preglowthere already is a battery indicator
17:05:24preglowthere's more than enough info to put in the wps, so we don't need to duplicate stuff
17:05:25XavierGrpreglow: ok, but many people will bitch about it (myself e.g)
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17:05:43senabNico_p: EscapePodGB
17:05:54preglowi don't really think the wps has to be the same for all targets
17:05:56Nico_PEscapePod for gigabeat
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17:06:42senabsome of the gigabeat wps' are really nice
17:07:24Kotjze<linuxstb_> Kotjze: I saw your question about .aac files in the logs - Rockbox doesn't support raw AAC files, only AAC in an MPEG-4 container (i.e. .m4a or .mp4). // I had tried .m4a and they didn't show up either :s
17:07:25XavierGrpreglow: well for me it should be ideal
17:07:38preglowyeah, but it sounds kind of impossible
17:07:47senabI like Pixel & Sta
17:08:00linuxstbKotjze: I assume they were proper m4a files, and you didn't just rename .aac to .m4a?
17:08:41XavierGrpreglow: still, iCatcher is the case that materializes it :P
17:08:53preglowyeah, it does nicely at it
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17:09:33XavierGrIMHO it is a shame to not utilize it as default until something better is found
17:10:16preglowi kind of agree, but we should also avoid changing the default too often
17:10:27preglowso if we go for icatcher now, we should plan on keeping it the default for some time
17:10:35XavierGrI agree
17:10:47preglowbut i do think icatcher is the best we have, yes
17:11:04Mo0oSaHI just got an ipod and installed rockbox right away... how do you turn rockbox on after you shut it down
17:11:05XavierGrthing is that for a lot of time we don't have another candidate except icatcher or rockboxed
17:11:21linuxstbpreglow: Can you test how long icatcher takes to load on your DAP(s)? amiconn was reporting some very slow times, but it loads in less than a second for me...
17:11:41linuxstb(if the disk is spinning on HD targets)
17:11:52Kotjzelinuxstb: No, they weren't just renamed. :p
17:12:03senablinuxstb: it's fast for me
17:12:16XavierGrlinuxstb: even if that's the case, I think that tar wps will solve that problem completely
17:13:11XavierGrmy main concern is: what happens on a new installation that doesn't have fonts included?
17:13:28XavierGrthen the default theme won't work at all
17:13:34preglowlinuxstb: in a second and lower on both nano and h120
17:13:44senabwhats the diff between unicatcher & iCatcher?
17:13:47Mo0oSaHanyone know how to turn on rockbox?
17:14:06XavierGrso when the default theme is picked I think that the utilized font should be included on the build
17:14:17XavierGrsenab: UniCatcher uses the unifont
17:14:18Nico_PXavierGr: the font for the default theme would need to be included
17:14:53senabJust found the Segoe UI font thats been converted, very nice
17:15:23austriancoderandrewg867: ping
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17:16:13linuxstbKotjze: The only other issue is that Rockbox doesn't support "non-streaming" m4a files - files where the metadata comes after the audio data. But I'm not sure of the details - Lear is the person to ask.
17:16:41linuxstbKotjze: Or you could try searching the forums - I'm sure Lear has posted about the issue.
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17:17:42linuxstbMo0oSaH: Press SELECT (the middle button) or MENU to turn an ipod on. Make sure the hold switch is off. If that doesn't work, press and hold MENU+SELECT together for a few seconds.
17:17:42senabkotjze: try extracting the stream from the mp4, then muxing it again
17:18:14Mo0oSaHlinuxstb: thanks for the tip
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17:18:46senabkotjze: if you're using windows, use mp4box (if you need a GUI get YAMB)
17:20:12linuxstbpreglow: OK, so I don't think loading time is bad enough to stop us changing the default.
17:21:27Kotjze<senab> kotjze: if you're using windows, use mp4box (if you need a GUI get YAMB) // I will try that when I get a chance, thanks :)
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17:21:50preglowlinuxstb: depends how badly it sucks on archoses, i guess
17:22:04preglowthen again, i don't feel too bad about letting those continue using the current default
17:22:46senabjust tried iCatcher again.... haven't changed my mind lol. The images seems stretched to me...
17:22:47bluebrotherhmm. How about shipping some recommended settings configurations?
17:23:00bluebrotherthat could include the theme as well
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17:23:39bluebrotherand it could set some other reasonable defaults. Like enable the database and load to ram for the average ipod user
17:23:50linuxstbpreglow: Yes, that's what I was thinking.
17:23:54XavierGrsenab: streched? noway except maybe the bottom bar
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17:24:25bluebrotherand have another set of settings to provide as much buffer space as possible
17:24:37linuxstbbluebrother: I don't think we should enable the database - isn't that done by the prompt when the user selects Database? But maybe enable dircache and also the auto-update options, so if the user does use the database, it works as expected...
17:25:16XavierGragain I cant understand why dircached isn't enabled by default on SWtargets
17:25:20bluebrotherlinuxstb: I don't want to enable it as default. My idea is to have some configurations shipped, and direct the average user to first loading a recommended one for him
17:25:39senabXavierGr: Yes, either streched and pixelated or highly dithered. Also there's no antialiasing on the icons so they look out of place
17:25:50linuxstbbluebrother: I'm not sure if that's worthwhile, but I agree some of the defaults could be changed.
17:26:01bluebrotherso we could describe a few in the manual: after installing, load config A if your usual use is ...
17:26:20bluebrotherif you usual use is foo then load configuration B.
17:26:55bluebrotherand so on. If you don't want to use a recommended config combination stick with the defaults
17:27:23bluebrotherjust like one of those 1st installation wizards.
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17:27:50bluebrotherrbutil could copy one of those to config.cfg if installing using rbutil
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17:28:15senabthats a good idea actually, a GUI for creating config.cfg
17:28:24bluebrotherno, not a gui.
17:28:47senabi think a wizard gui would work though
17:28:47bluebrotherthe installer (rbutil) installing a recommended configuration combination upon request.
17:29:20bluebrotherand having those configuration combinations shipped with a build so a user not using rbutil can just load them
17:29:31senabwhy can't rbutil create a config using a wizard? why select a preset
17:30:00bluebrotherbecause that wizard would need to copy the existing settings.
17:30:18bluebrotherif you just provide a pre-generated set you only need to have a description of this.
17:30:42bluebrotherplus, having too much settings might confuse the average user. Remember, they are using rbutil ;-)
17:31:00senabthat wouldn't be that hard to do, just load the config using the wizard and the current options already selected
17:31:29senabnot every setting obviously, just the main one that the user will want to change
17:31:34bluebrothersure, it's possible. But I don't think the complexity is worth it, especially when thinking of average users.
17:31:54bluebrotherthey want something useable, not fiddle around with settings (and possibly read the manual to understand those settings first)
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17:32:10senabexactly! the wizard would explain the settings
17:32:20bluebrothertoo complex.
17:32:38bluebrotherwhat's the problem with having only a few defaults the user can choose of?
17:32:56bluebrotherall other settings can be changed on the player. It's only for giving some better starting settings.
17:33:16senabsome settings on the player are a buit mystic though
17:33:36bluebrotherbut that is what the manual is for ;-)
17:33:56senabeg. Crossfeed, dithering, diff between hardware & soft equalizer, etc
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17:34:21senabto someone who doesn't know what they are...
17:34:53bluebrotheryou would also need to differ between the different player models which is not needed if you provide a few profiles
17:35:27bluebrothersomeone who doesn't know what crossfeed is most likely needs to read the manual or doesn't even want to use it.
17:37:11senabfiar enough
17:37:54senabi may actually have a look at a config wizard as a bit of a project
17:38:40bluebrotherfeel free to write a full create-my-own-config wizard application ;-)
17:39:00bluebrotherbut I think it's somewhat overkill in rbutil, both for devs and users
17:40:08senabit'll keep me busy for a bit of the summer ;-)
17:40:36senabbetter get back to revising for this bloody exam lol
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17:55:24preglowsomeone should put in some hours and find out if the hw eq really can work as such, or if it should be used as bass/treble controls instead
17:57:07markunI guess it's over for rockbox. Microsoft anounced that there is no more free software movement..
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17:57:47Nico_Pmarkun: yeah, when I read that I immediatly reinstalled windows and stopped coding rockbox
17:57:55Nico_Pwhat a pity
17:58:29markunwell, it was a lot of fun while it lasted
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17:58:36preglowmarkun: yeah, and only because a lot of linux developers are paid now
17:58:57preglowi didn't know that meant the end for us, but i'm willing to take his word for it :/
17:59:39Nico_Pyes, he sounds like a smart guy
17:59:54markunpreglow: perhaps I can now work for free on a microsoft project
18:00:08LearI'd guess they had to "answer" the "Microsoft is dead" piece that was written recently.
18:00:21markunLear: probably :)
18:00:51preglowi wish people stopped writing shit
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18:02:23Nico_Plinuxstb: your wpsbuild script seems to have problems with RWPS versus WPS
18:02:23markunpreglow: or at least linking to it so I can't resist reading it :)
18:02:38markun.. stop linking to it ..
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18:33:17badsheepyi have a folder on my ipod where if i goto it in file browser and select to play a file, it always plays a particular song and not the one i selected
18:33:24badsheepywould anyone have any idea what has caused this?
18:33:55badsheepyi think it might be loading a bookmark or something, cause it starts playing at 1 minute or so into the track, and sometimes doesnt even start playing, just saves a bookmark and returns.
18:34:28badsheepyitd be not as bad were the track not 'gold' by spandau ballet
18:37:34bluebrothercheck the "load last bookmark" setting
18:37:55bluebrother(in General settings / Bookmarking)
18:39:24badsheepyoh that is much better :)
18:39:52bluebrotherI prefer "Ask" on that setting ;-)
18:39:57bluebrotheryou're welcome
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19:40:26n1sThe "running time" item in the "system" menu is supposed to show the time since charging the batteries, right?
19:40:49Nico_Pno, the time since the last reset
19:41:08Nico_PI mean the last time you resetted the time :)
19:41:17n1saha, that explains why it was over 100h :-)
19:41:36n1sso it never resets automatically
19:41:57Nico_PI have 358 hrs :)
19:42:02moosit does but don't remenber when
19:42:11Nico_Ponly when you plug the charger in while in that screen
19:42:22moosyeah something like this
19:43:29moosand if you plug USB under rockbox too, that was like this at least before bluebrother changes
19:43:58*n1s closes a 4 years old feature request
19:44:19mooshehe :-)
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19:50:47moosn1s: you added instructions for dualboot for iaudios?
19:51:51moosduh wrong check, lacky in tetex language
19:52:12n1smoos: hmm, it seems I missed the m5 in at least one place though...
19:55:36moosthat what I thought, thx for the fix
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20:14:06Buschelhi all, anyone in here who is capable of building (and interested in testing) changes in codecs/libmusepack? As I am quite new to rockbox-source I would like to have some more targets to be tested
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20:17:15bluebrothermoos: did the resetting the timer by plugging usb power work for you before my changes? It didn't work for me before
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20:17:50SiebaZso i've got a question ^^
20:17:55bluebrotherplus, as I only changed the display I would be somewhat surprised if that was affected −− it works fine if I plug the charger on my h120, so the detection itself is still present
20:18:00bluebrotherSiebaZ, then ask.
20:18:08bluebrotherotherwise you won't get an answer ;-)
20:18:29SiebaZis it possibke to dual boot the original FW and rockbox ?
20:18:56SiebaZi was just able to find the single boot loader used in the man
20:19:13SiebaZsry 4 my english xD im german :D
20:20:02bluebrotherwhat player are you talking about?
20:20:05SiebaZim using the ipod nano 1st gen
20:20:18bluebrothersure. The official bootloader can do so.
20:20:22moosbluebrother: in the past it did IIRC but after your changes I didn't test yet
20:20:58bluebrothermoos, that's really strange. It never did for me on the ipod, but it still works on the h120
20:21:06SiebaZbut i was just able to load rockbox oO
20:21:10bluebrotherSiebaZ, enable the hold switch when booting
20:21:19SiebaZahhh thx =)
20:21:36bluebrotherbut I'm pretty sure that's mentioned in the manual somewhere.
20:21:45SiebaZdidnt found that in the man xD
20:21:45bluebrotherotherwise we should add it :)
20:21:47moosbluebrother: on my X5 it did
20:21:54moosand now I don't know
20:22:09bluebrotherok, I don't consider "don't know" as a bug ;-)
20:22:36bluebrotherbut when you get around trying it and it doesn't work anymore please let me know
20:23:05moosno problems I will this night, I need to eat something and go out right now
20:23:26mooshehe, and never said that you caused any bug ;)
20:23:33bluebrotherno hurry −− I'm busy this evening anyway
20:23:45bluebrotherhehe, I know ;-)
20:23:56SiebaZanother question is that it seems that rockbox needs more power is that right?
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20:25:43Soap_only on the ipods and other devices using the same processor(s).
20:26:15SiebaZbut y does it need more power?
20:26:19bluebrotherbattery life is better on all players that don't use a PortalPlayer cpu.
20:26:46SiebaZis it possible to fix that?
20:26:58bluebrotherRockbox itself doesn't need more power, but running Rockbox draws more power than the original firmware on Ipods and other PP targets
20:27:05Soap_hopefully, it appears something is turned on which shouldn't be turned on.
20:27:15bluebrotherit's possible to fix it, but first someone needs to identify the problem at all.
20:27:31bluebrotheras the PP is a somewhat mysterious thing this is kinda hard.
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20:27:35SiebaZhehe kay i understand
20:27:39bluebrother(no data sheets around)
20:27:51SiebaZim not that much in programming =(
20:27:58SiebaZcause of no time....
20:28:13bluebrotherI guess time is an issue for most here
20:28:35SiebaZand we are just starting to learn java @ school
20:28:47SiebaZi hope thats a beginning 4 me =)
20:29:37*bluebrother hates Java
20:30:03SiebaZand rockbox is written in what?
20:30:08*bluebrother never got the meaning of this smiley
20:30:21bluebrotherC, and with asm for critical / heavily optimized parts
20:30:46SiebaZc++ or just c?
20:31:44SiebaZnow im going to learn it ... and than trying to fix the problem with the battery :D
20:31:50*SiebaZ is just joking :D
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20:32:11ViljarHmm.. i'm learning PASCAL at school :D, hope to get started with c++ in summer :)
20:32:14bluebrotheridentifying the problematic piece would be helpful enough ;-)
20:32:30bluebrotheras long as you aren't required to do vba ...
20:33:04bluebrotherbut luckily I left school quite some years ago :D
20:33:12bluebrothervisual basic for applications. MS crap.
20:33:27SiebaZahh kay understand linux4 life =)
20:33:53bluebrotherlinux4? What do you mean?
20:34:02SiebaZbut im just a fucking noob in linux ^^ (ubuntu)
20:34:08SiebaZlinux 4 life ;)
20:34:17SiebaZ4 = for ;)
20:34:37bluebrothernah, there are a couple of interesting systems around. But this ms-languages are strange
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20:35:11SiebaZwhat system do u use? ^^
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20:40:16zivan56andrewg867, you around?
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20:44:06bluebrotherSiebaZ, got my pm?
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20:48:48SiebaZill go now thx for the fast help =)
20:49:46bluebrotheryou're welcome
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20:50:11preglowandree buschmann?
20:50:27preglowisn't that like one of the guys who coded musepack?
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20:51:06bluebrotheryes, according to wikipedia
20:51:20bluebrotherbut I wasn't aware of that until I looked it up now ;-)
20:51:27preglowoh well, if it is him, it's fun to have him optimising our libmusepack :P
20:54:37preglowyeah, looks like it is him
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21:11:43zivan56anybody with access to the AS3514 datasheet around?
21:12:26rp-zivan56: yes
21:13:04zivan56rp-: have you seen the latest SVN mod to enable line1in?
21:13:29rp-just shortly checked the diff, any problems with it?
21:13:47zivan56it seems to cause a buzz, so my guess is that line1 is not in fact connect to the radio
21:14:04zivan56would you know how to enable linein2 instead?
21:14:16rp-1 sec
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21:19:55rp-as3514_write(AUDIOSET1, 0x6C);
21:20:06rp-enables both line ins
21:20:47rp-as3514_write(AUDIOSET1, 0x68);
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21:20:52rp-just for line-in-2
21:21:06rp-and don't forget to set the volume
21:22:23zivan56would the latter set volume?
21:22:57rp-no, the latter only enables line-in-2 without line-in-1
21:23:55rp-for the gain just check the diff of the svn checkin and change the LINE_IN1_(R/L) constant
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21:29:30zivan56rp-: any idea what would cause a buzzing sound from line-in-1? and get louder when volume is set lower?
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21:32:40zivan56line-in-2 seems to produce only silence, so the radio is probably on line-in-1
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21:38:19rp-zivan56: sorry no idea, and i can't check it out, because i have a sansa without radio :/
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21:39:05rp-zivan56: sorry no idea, and i can't check it out, because i have a sansa without radio :/
21:40:15zivan56ah, i think the noise is generated by the AS chip, though that it might be in the wrong state
21:40:20zivan56but it's probably not
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21:42:33rp-the radio chip uses stereo right?
21:43:11zivan56although it can do mono as well and can be forced stereo
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21:47:04zivan56the noise is there only when the LCD is on, which is kind of strange
21:52:49zivan56maybe the radio is connected via mic1/2, they are both stereo inputs
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21:54:07rp-zivan56: well, i found something, austriancoder forgot to enable the ADC, and the default ADC values only enables micro
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21:55:21zivan56ah, could explain it
21:56:35rp-as3514_write(AUDIOSET1, 0xE4); /* Turn on ADC, SUM, DAC, LineIn1 */
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21:57:17zivan56trying it now, hope that was the problem
21:57:51rp-this will not fix it, you need to set the ADC registers as well
21:58:08rp-just a sec
21:58:12zivan56ah, ok, thanks
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22:01:24zivan56setting a frequency on this chip requres "rocket science," or something close to it, 3 registers and time critical calculations
22:02:14zivan56thankfully it has 2 timers to accomplish the time related stuff
22:04:35rp- as3514_write(ADC_R, 0x57); /* enable Line_IN1 and set default volume*/
22:04:35rp- as3514_write(ADC_L, 0x57); /* unmute ADC and set default volume*/
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22:04:59rp-bit 0-5 is for volume
22:05:20rp-sorry 0-4
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22:06:07zivan56great, will play with it and see if something works
22:08:07zivan56well the buzz is lower pitched now :)
22:09:04zivan56but no radio static once the screen turns off
22:09:40zivan56although the radio field strength changes when i move the player around, so it should at least produce something
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22:11:03zivan56when i just enable linein2, there is no sound, but linein1 has the lcd buzz issue
22:11:13zivan56adding the adc stuff doesn't seem to do much except change the pitch of the lcd buzz
22:12:19rp-as3514_write(ADC_R, 0xD7); /* enable AUDIO SUM and set default volume */
22:12:49rp-you can try that, that should sum all ADC channels
22:13:31zivan56that sounds like what I need :)
22:13:42zivan56should i still set the gain on line1/line2?
22:14:04rp-yes, every channel has it's seperate volume
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22:16:06zivan56so this should theorectically enable the built in mic as well and send it to the headphones as well?
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22:16:57rp-the 2 mic's need also to enabled in the AUDIOSET1 register :)
22:17:10rp-bit 0 and 1
22:17:24rp-0 -> mic1, 1 -> mic2
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22:17:59rp-got it? you have some problem with your irc-client? :)
22:18:51zivan56got it, yes i think the server is dropping me for some reason
22:19:07zivan56probably firewall
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22:22:00zivan56setting both mics on and turning up volume/gain on them seems to produce no sound even when blowing into the mic
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22:23:16zivan56do all sources need to be unmuted or does audio sum do it?
22:27:04zivan56the settings I have for AUDIOSET1 only enable line1in, so wouldnt that cancel out everything?
22:27:19RockingDHello. I'm having lockup problems with IPod 3g 20GB (known issue). I want to help with the development of this port. I think I could start off with reproducing the issue and studying logs. Is there a way to enable logging while studying project architecture?
22:28:41bluebrotherlogging in on-target-logging? Build yourself a logf-enabled build.
22:29:23RockingDthanks a lot.
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22:31:07krush1704Hi! I'm wrote 2 plugin-games for rockbox alst week. I wnat to use a timer, like a countdown, in one of them. Which header-file I have to use or whats the function call?
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22:33:28markunkrush1704: I think the metronome uses a timer, maybe you can look at it's code
22:33:38markunwhat kind of games are you making?
22:33:41rp-zivan56: as3514_write(AUDIOSET1, 0xFF); enables all channels of the as3514, maybe the best for you to test
22:34:36krush1704thanks, ill chek the source
22:35:26zivan56rp-, I would still set each input _L and _R to 0x36 to unmute and set gain, right?
22:35:49rp-you are right
22:37:16krush1704markun: difficult to say, I think puzzle-games
22:37:45krush1704Theres a flash version of one of them, I look for the link
22:38:41linuxstbkrush1704: The timer metronome uses is a high-resolution timer. The "current_tick" variable is accessible from plugins (now = *rb->current_tick) and is updated 100 times per second.
22:38:43krush1704this one is 90% finished, but without a timer, theres no motivation
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22:39:36krush1704thanks linuxstb
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22:54:52preglowmarkun: did you find any nice hrtf libraries?
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23:04:44markunpreglow: yes
23:05:00preglowmarkun: name/url?
23:05:01markunlet me see if I can find the link
23:05:11preglowthink i'm gonna implement binaural ambisonics
23:05:20markunthat's great!!
23:05:30markun1st order for now?
23:05:46preglowxth order
23:05:55preglowsince my encoder/decoder set already works with that
23:06:01markunhowmany virtual speakers would you need for that?
23:06:13preglowdepends on the order, really
23:06:21markun4 is the minimum for 1st?
23:06:27preglowsince my encoder/decoder allows arbitrary order as it is, i don't see any reason to limit myself now :)
23:06:43preglowyou generally need at least order + 1 number of speakers for 2d
23:08:11markunthat's a lot better than the MIT one I think
23:08:46preglowyou mean the kemar one?
23:09:00preglowahh, this has kemar too
23:09:36preglowhrm, now to figure out how to properly crossfade between impulse responses when doing block convolution
23:11:56markunpreglow: could you maybe compute some 'average' response or something? Or will it be possible to choose the head which works the best for the user?
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23:12:31preglowmarkun: no easy way to do that
23:12:37preglowcomputing an average response would be no good
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23:13:53markunpreglow: so what's your plan?
23:14:16preglowi have no idea, for now, just to make a binaural ambisonics decoder
23:14:35austriancoderhi all
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23:20:37MbS_Im trying to sync a patch to SVN and can't find what happened to "/apps/settings_menu.c". Anyone know??
23:21:09markunMbS_: it's in apps/menus I think
23:21:26MbS_that it is. Thanks
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23:41:59chrisjs169|brbis there anyway to make the RB bootloader write to the sansa hidden firmware partition? (such as at 0x7810e1 [I think, need to check wiki] to disable database refresh)
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23:45:54linuxstbchrisjs169|brb: IIRC, jdGordon has already done that. Not sure if he committed it though.
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