| 00:00:25 | byteshack | sweet, thanks |
| 00:00:28 | chrisjs169 | I sorta made a 'mistake' earlier today, and now i'm getting radio-like noises in Rockbox (but not in the OF) |
| 00:00:43 | pixelma | _FireFly_: there's also a bug report of what you describe in the tracker (the reporter relates it to X5/M5) - but I'm not able to reproduce it myself, works correctly on my M5 here as well as the Ondio |
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| 00:01:16 | _FireFly_ | pixelma: i can reproduce it on my h120 and with the uisim |
| 00:01:48 | pixelma | he also claims that this problem occured somewhen in the beginning of may |
| 00:01:51 | byteshack | the patches are probably not in the svn tree yet? probably awaiting review |
| 00:02:13 | robin0800 | luckz, |
| 00:02:42 | chrisjs169 | byteshack: patches are not in the svn tree. some are waiting to be accepted, while others are just modifications |
| 00:02:57 | luckz | huu? |
| 00:03:13 | byteshack | chrisjs169: yeah, case_ was asking about that, I think |
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| 00:04:28 | amiconn | _FireFly_, pixelma: I don't think there's an actual bug involved |
| 00:04:32 | case_ | well, some of the patches i'm talking about seems to have been applied, but the problems are still there... |
| 00:04:33 | jimbobuk | hey folks |
| 00:04:36 | pixelma | _FireFly_: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7153 |
| 00:04:44 | chrisjs169 | zivan56 isn't on, but for those who were trying to figure out what GPIOs E/J/L are (sansa) now that i'm getting these odd noises, GPIO E shows only 00 and 6D (on occasion others, but very rarely) |
| 00:04:46 | byteshack | dmmmm |
| 00:05:02 | _FireFly_ | i don't understand why the first track in the playlist is correct but the following tracks are sorted reverse |
| 00:05:20 | pixelma | amiconn: what could be the reason then? |
| 00:05:21 | amiconn | The recursive insertion just traverses the directory tree in "natural" order, i.e. like the subdirs appear on disk |
| 00:05:44 | _FireFly_ | and then calls qsort to sort it |
| 00:05:45 | amiconn | So the order you end up depends on what order your directory tree was written in |
| 00:05:51 | bluebrother | I would be interested in the timestamps of those files |
| 00:05:59 | bluebrother | _including_ last access stamp |
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| 00:06:07 | jimbobuk | anyone use logscrobbler to upload their .scrobbler files off of your rockbox? |
| 00:06:17 | amiconn | Windows explorer likes to write things in backwards order... |
| 00:06:19 | chrisjs169 | jimbobuk: I have once... |
| 00:06:37 | _FireFly_ | amiconn: i don't use windows ;) |
| 00:06:42 | pixelma | ah... I remember that in combination with a root.m3u I tried out once |
| 00:06:45 | bluebrother | Windows explorer likes to write things in arbitrary order :) |
| 00:06:48 | amiconn | That was just an example... |
| 00:07:02 | chrisjs169 | bluebrother: maybe YOU can help me :) ever since I applied the barbeque sauce 'filter' I'm getting radio-like noises in Rockbox, but not in the OF |
| 00:07:20 | jimbobuk | it looks ok, last night i tried submitting for the first time.. firstly i tried one of the linked php scripts... it seems to have uploaded things at funny times and dates... logscrobbler seemed better but i missed the chance to see what succeeded to submit and what failed, something the php uploader showed you. |
| 00:07:32 | bluebrother | chrisjs169, why do you think I could help you? |
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| 00:08:00 | * | bluebrother doesn't own or know the sansa |
| 00:08:05 | pixelma | but that also wouldn't explain why it should be a recent thing (provided the reporter didn't change the directory structure and/or tested different directories) |
| 00:08:05 | chrisjs169 | ah, ok |
| 00:08:06 | amiconn | _FireFly_: Rockbox sorts individual directories, but I doubt the recursive insertion sorts the whole list. The whole list of file names doesn't exist in memory at any time afaik |
| 00:08:21 | chrisjs169 | bluebrother: I figured you might be able to help since you're part of staff |
| 00:08:38 | chrisjs169 | JdGordon is a dev :) |
| 00:08:39 | bluebrother | ;-) |
| 00:08:52 | _FireFly_ | amiconn: thats right |
| 00:09:35 | _FireFly_ | but the sorting is wrong also for one directory: first track correct but following tracks are sorted inverse |
| 00:09:35 | JdGordon | hmmm? |
| 00:09:49 | chrisjs169 | you own a sansa right? |
| 00:09:52 | JdGordon | yep |
| 00:09:54 | chrisjs169 | yay |
| 00:10:09 | bluebrother | a plugin to show the fat structure might be a thing ... |
| 00:10:12 | chrisjs169 | you see, today I decided to try applying the barbeque sauce filter... |
| 00:10:16 | amiconn | _FireFly_: Huh? I never observed that... oddity |
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| 00:10:34 | chrisjs169 | and now Rockbox emits radio-like noises, but the OF is fine |
| 00:11:16 | _FireFly_ | amiconn: i'm using bleeding- 070515 |
| 00:11:30 | * | JdGordon wonders wht bbq sauce filter is? you spilt some on the sans? |
| 00:11:34 | amiconn | Oh, hmm, indeed |
| 00:11:51 | chrisjs169 | not _on_ the sansa, _in_ the sansa :P |
| 00:12:00 | * | amiconn usually adds a single dir by playing the first track |
| 00:12:18 | * | bluebrother guesses that the list is sorted in the order on disk |
| 00:12:23 | amiconn | ...and then the order is correct |
| 00:12:24 | _FireFly_ | amiconn: e.g. files: title1,title2,title3,title4,title5 playlist after recursive insert: title1,title5,title4,title3,title2 |
| 00:12:49 | amiconn | [00:11:34] <amiconn> Oh, hmm, indeed |
| 00:13:16 | bluebrother | _FireFly_, do you have "recurseively insert" enabled? |
| 00:13:21 | _FireFly_ | yepp |
| 00:13:28 | bluebrother | does it also happen if you disable that? |
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| 00:14:04 | amiconn | Also happens without recursive enabled |
| 00:14:16 | bluebrother | hmm. |
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| 00:14:26 | jimbobuk | anyone know where to find support on logscrobbler then? and related to that.. it seems to get near perfect scrobbler support you have to apply a few patches, these seem to be a few months old in some circumstances, will they ever get merged into the main source? |
| 00:14:27 | amiconn | And for some reason rockbox doesn't switch to the wps if I start a playlist that way... |
| 00:14:31 | JdGordon | chrisjs169: wff? anyway, standard metho bath is the usual fix... |
| 00:14:32 | bluebrother | too bad. I hoped that was related. |
| 00:14:44 | amiconn | Btw, it's not limited to swcodec, I tested on recorder |
| 00:14:57 | chrisjs169 | JdGordon: I tried that, and got all the bbq sauce off |
| 00:14:58 | obo | jimbobuk: tried qtscrobbler? I'm hoping those patches will be commited... |
| 00:15:03 | pixelma | hmm... weird. Just tried again and it happens now too here - but I'm quite sure I tested a few times after reading the report :/ |
| 00:15:17 | hardeep | amiconn: is this the directory playlist insertion issue? |
| 00:15:19 | amiconn | This is a build from May 08 |
| 00:15:33 | chrisjs169 | JdGordon: there was what looked like tiny spots of corrosion though, so I wiped the off a little |
| 00:15:44 | amiconn | Ah, Mr. playlist is around :) |
| 00:15:47 | amiconn | hardeep: yes |
| 00:15:50 | chrisjs169 | JdGordon: should I try to give it another bath? |
| 00:15:53 | jimbobuk | obo: i'm on windows, does that work? it all looks fine but it has wierd options with no explanation "shift after last played" for example. |
| 00:16:15 | jimbobuk | obo: do patches have to be properly checked over before they make it into the main source? |
| 00:16:18 | hardeep | yeah, i know the cause... it was accidentally introduced with the menu api changes |
| 00:16:51 | amiconn | Another JdGordon special ;\ |
| 00:16:59 | chrisjs169 | JdGordon: the bbq didn't really get past the usb 'slot' though, with the exception of a little getting through the power button, so it didn't cover the entire chip |
| 00:17:10 | bluebrother | specials all over here :) |
| 00:17:24 | hardeep | well, it was a bit of a kludge in the onplay code which was, not surprisingly, missed |
| 00:17:24 | JdGordon | chrisjs169: :( you might have missed a bit.. i dunno |
| 00:17:39 | JdGordon | hardeep: ? whats I miss |
| 00:17:39 | obo | jimbobuk: yeah, it hasn't really been documented :) It worked fine on windows the last time I tried, a few weeks ago |
| 00:17:51 | obo | jimbobuk: yes, the patches need a dev to cast an eye over them |
| 00:17:59 | * | JdGordon will read logs later in the day.. gtg |
| 00:18:18 | chrisjs169 | JdGordon: so should I try giving it another bath? |
| 00:18:22 | hardeep | JdGordon: this ones not really your fault. When inserting elements in the playlist before playback has started, you need to use INSERT_LAST instead of INSERT |
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| 00:18:31 | jimbobuk | obo: hmm, its just failed to commit a whole album of stuff, deleted my .scrobbler file (i'd backed it up anyways) and thats it.. hopefully that was just caused by some kind of submit earlier than the last time i submitted.. hopefully it'll all be ok now. |
| 00:19:00 | obo | yeah, those spam filters can be annoying |
| 00:19:05 | jimbobuk | obo: you're saying logscrobbler hasnt been documented, or that qtscrobbler hasn't? which do you use? |
| 00:19:34 | obo | jimbobuk: qtscrobbler - I've wrote a few bits of it... |
| 00:20:08 | jimbobuk | obo: well i guess even tho the times in the file are good, because I submitted a file yesterday, that was incomplete (an older snapshot of the .scrobbler file off of my PC) and on my rockbox i'd listened to a few tracks since they've now been blocked by the anti-spammer |
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| 00:20:52 | Soap | yep, submissions must be in chronological order. |
| 00:20:52 | jimbobuk | obo: and qtscrobbler DOES work with windows? does it report back at least that certain files have failed, allowing u to patch the times to be hacked ones back from the current time in an hour or so to get them properly uploaded (albiet with incorrect timestamps) |
| 00:21:12 | obo | yes, that will cause the spam filters to kick in. In qtscrob the recalc button can be useful to fake the times if needed |
| 00:21:51 | jimbobuk | well now the .scrobbler file HAS been deleted on the rockbox should be fine.. i still wonder how i can manage my account with this spam filter in light of also using foobar2000 to submit to last.fm when on my PC.. i'm going to have to remember to submit the latest .scrobbler file before playing tunes on foobar :( |
| 00:21:54 | obo | AFAIK it works in windows. the last.fm servers don't report back what works and what doesn't - it just blindly accepts all |
| 00:22:25 | jimbobuk | obo: oh, the php script i ran had ticks and crosses next to files it had submitted or not.. seemed to line up with what then appeared at last.fm a few minutes later |
| 00:22:32 | Soap | jimbobuk: I can't speak for qtscrobbler, but logscrobbler has the option of shifting your log file to times /after/ your last submission. |
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| 00:22:47 | Soap | never failed me. |
| 00:22:59 | jimbobuk | Soap: ahh thats the button that i didnt know what it meant |
| 00:23:14 | jimbobuk | so you are losing the ability to keep the actual time you listened to the tunes? |
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| 00:23:29 | Soap | just make sure you have a large enough window between last submitted and current time to fit your logged tracks in. |
| 00:23:40 | Soap | Do you think Last.FM uses that time? |
| 00:23:57 | obo | qtscrobbler has something similar - "Check last date" |
| 00:23:58 | jimbobuk | Soap: well it tells you how long ago u listened on the page? |
| 00:24:00 | Soap | you're throwing away the least significant bit. |
| 00:24:04 | KenshinX | I deleted rockbox from the ipod and now it wont boot to anythign or get recognized by the computer can anyone help? |
| 00:24:14 | jimbobuk | Soap: last.fm page that is |
| 00:24:19 | Soap | it does, but I always thought that piece of information was part of the social aspect. |
| 00:24:28 | Soap | so your buddies can see what you are up to. |
| 00:24:35 | jimbobuk | yeah, its not crucial.. but i do kind of like it :) |
| 00:24:38 | Soap | judge your mood by your tracks. |
| 00:24:42 | jimbobuk | yeah |
| 00:24:42 | obo | it was useful in the early days when people tried to spam like mad :) |
| 00:25:05 | Soap | you MUST submit in order, so you have to toss it, or submit your dap before firing up foobar. |
| 00:25:09 | jimbobuk | having just submitted then i'll need to wait at least an hour before trying to send the rest of the tracks |
| 00:25:33 | obo | future dates do work by the way ;) |
| 00:25:46 | obo | well, a hour or two ahead do at least |
| 00:25:51 | jimbobuk | Soap: yeah, a bit of a pain.. so long as i backup the .scrobbler file first then i'll see if it fails and know then to wait a few hours and submit with hacked times... should work |
| 00:26:06 | jimbobuk | lets face it i dont care if its not perfect, it'll be nice to get more of my music listening habits being recorded at all |
| 00:26:07 | linuxstb_ | KenshinX: Force your ipod into disk mode (hold MENU+SELECT together for a few seconds to reboot, then immediately press and hold SELECT+PLAY), and then follow the uninstall instructions in the manual. |
| 00:27:25 | jimbobuk | what are the chances of the scrobbler patches being commited though so that i can get a build with them in... i've yet to setup the dev environment here, and i think i'll hold off on album art patches for the time being too. |
| 00:28:11 | Soap | jimbobuk: the scrobbler fix, FS #5495, just trades one bug for another in my testing. |
| 00:28:26 | obo | Soap: oh? what happens? |
| 00:28:32 | jimbobuk | Soap: yeah i did read some threads of discussion along those lines |
| 00:28:42 | Soap | it double logs on pause/play events. |
| 00:29:02 | jimbobuk | the original problem is 1st track, last track not being submitted isn't it? |
| 00:29:19 | obo | and that's with the patch I posted 2 days ago? |
| 00:29:23 | Soap | yes, which you can work around with a dummy track you start first. |
| 00:29:38 | Soap | obo: sorry - I didn't know you had one that new. |
| 00:29:48 | * | Soap checks his email. |
| 00:30:17 | Soap | dang - I thought I had that task in my watch/notify list. |
| 00:30:30 | Soap | obo - I'll build tonight and test tomorrow. |
| 00:30:38 | obo | thanks |
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| 00:31:27 | jimbobuk | obo: u said future dates work so if i resubmit with it set to after last submit it'll go into the future but should work... I wonder if that last time stuff works only if u keep logscrobbler running |
| 00:32:25 | obo | I'm not sure about logscrobbler, I don't use it... |
| 00:32:32 | jimbobuk | i'd like to try and build sometime... cant decide whether to try on my mac or my PC (via cygwin i guess?) ... i am not loving mac + rockbox at the moment thanks to finder's sillyness over .<name> files |
| 00:32:59 | jimbobuk | obo: sure sorry, I will try out qtscrobbler too. |
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| 00:35:05 | hardeep | jimbobuk: mac terminal build works great |
| 00:35:38 | jimbobuk | hardeep: yeah i think that appeals, even though its a macbook, versus a fast main PC :) |
| 00:36:06 | jimbobuk | hardeep: all the stuff on the wiki for building covers the mac too? or dont you need too much on the mac? |
| 00:36:14 | jimbobuk | too much extra |
| 00:36:14 | hardeep | jimbobuk: cygwin slows the build down a lot... slower mac may still be faster |
| 00:37:02 | hardeep | jimbobuk: you need xcode installed |
| 00:37:14 | jimbobuk | ahh, never did get round to that... hmm. |
| 00:37:17 | hardeep | and also need to run tools/rockboxdev.sh |
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| 00:37:21 | jimbobuk | ok |
| 00:37:41 | jimbobuk | i need to register to download xcode i think, started looking into it soon after getting my mac, and never got back round to it |
| 00:38:02 | hardeep | jimbobuk: yeah, it's a free download but you need to register as an "apple developer", whatever that means |
| 00:38:09 | _FireFly_ | hardeep: is there a fix for the recursive insert problem? |
| 00:38:17 | jimbobuk | cool qtscrobbler has a windows binary, trying that now. |
| 00:38:34 | hardeep | _FireFly_: I know the problem but don't have a fix yet. still trying to wrap my head around the new menu api code |
| 00:40:34 | jimbobuk | obo: straight away the ability to shift select a range of tracks is helpful.. i want to just try resubmitting the 8 tracks it missed on my last submit.. select what i dont want, and then delete selected items? |
| 00:41:14 | obo | yup, that should do it |
| 00:41:38 | jimbobuk | cool... i see timezone is selectable, this was in the php script but it got it so wrong |
| 00:41:45 | jimbobuk | in BST atm, thats UTC+1 ? |
| 00:42:13 | obo | yes - I keep meaning to look at putting something in to change DST automatically... |
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| 00:42:44 | jimbobuk | the experiment check last date.. is it that, or Recalc Date/Time I should use... the latter sounds more like it... being able to set the time next to it i guess.. is that time the time it'll start me listening to, or end the last track listening to around |
| 00:43:01 | jimbobuk | obo: me too for an xmltv app i've written |
| 00:43:35 | jimbobuk | will this delete the items from the .scrobbler file after submitting, or is it left to the user to delete the .scrobbler file off of the rockbox after you've done? |
| 00:43:52 | obo | Check last date tries to find the datetime of the last track you submitted, and then adjust everything to go after that. Recalc is manual, depending on what you enter |
| 00:44:13 | obo | it will delete the entire log file |
| 00:44:51 | jimbobuk | check last date tries to use last.fm itself to figure the time out? i'll go manual i think |
| 00:45:04 | jimbobuk | recalc takes the time as the end or start time of your tracks? |
| 00:45:25 | jimbobuk | ohh i noticed that although i've selected a lot of rows, delete selected item is only deleting the bottom item of that selection each time i press the button |
| 00:46:08 | KenshinX | anyone have the ipod_fw.exe file? |
| 00:47:10 | obo | recalc works backwards from the last track |
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| 00:49:15 | jimbobuk | obo: cool so set to the near future if required... neat.. may be nice if it could show you the beginning time based on the current tracks in the list back from the end time you've selected. Did you know about not being able to delete multiple tracks in one go, does it do that for you on your machine (if you're not on windows) |
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| 00:51:05 | jimbobuk | obo: actually it works up from the selection.. as its just eaten through my tracks i was saving.. even though they were selected. |
| 00:51:12 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 00:52:03 | obo | I've just tried multiple select and delete, can't get it to delete anything here |
| 00:54:29 | hardeep | is 80 cols still a requirement for the code? |
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| 00:55:31 | linuxstb_ | KenshinX: ipod_fw.exe isn't required by Rockbox any more. What do you want to do? |
| 00:56:19 | linuxstb_ | hardeep: Yes, the docs/CONTRIBUTING file is still the same... |
| 00:57:23 | hardeep | hmmm, i see a bunch of instances where it's not being followed anymore |
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| 00:58:14 | linuxstb_ | If you see them, fix them. Unless they're in code imported from other projects (e.g. the codecs). |
| 00:59:01 | hardeep | yup, will do |
| 00:59:04 | jimbobuk | obo: i'm using the button not delete on the keyboard (which seemed to want me to edit the track number txt)... that'd be good to fix that, i've done some gtk coding, but no QT I presume it has a similar API for iterating over the selected rows in what in gtk is a treeview |
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| 01:01:45 | Domonoky | it would be nice to include this scobbler things into rbutil.. but i dont have enough time in the near future.. |
| 01:03:52 | obo | jimbobuk: QT doesn't seem to have an easy way - but the current code doesn't look right at all |
| 01:04:50 | obo | Domonoky: well, there is code in perl, c# and c++/qt - take your pick :) |
| 01:05:19 | jimbobuk | obo: well its not running right thats for sure ;) .. i'm just downloading xcode stuff, maybe i'll get dev in osX working nicely and i'll take a look... so long as i can get good VIM usage i'll be happy |
| 01:05:20 | Domonoky | rbutil is written in c++/wxwidgets.. so.. :-) |
| 01:07:53 | obo | Domonoky: does WX have networking/http functions? |
| 01:08:24 | _FireFly_ | hmm i have maybe found a solution for the recursive insert problem |
| 01:08:52 | hardeep | _FireFly_: I'm testing a fix right now |
| 01:09:09 | jhMikeS | sansapatcher −−delete-bootloader simply removes the rb bootloader and restores the OF, correct? (need a clean dump) |
| 01:09:32 | obo | jimbobuk: sounds good |
| 01:09:32 | _FireFly_ | it seems that playlist->last_insert_pos doesn't get updated |
| 01:09:47 | Domonoky | obo: it has some, i dont knwo too much about wx.. :-) |
| 01:09:50 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: Yes, but it won't be identical to a pre-Rockbox Sansa - the OF is unencrypted. But the Sansa bootloader should still load it as normal. |
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| 01:10:07 | hardeep | _FireFly_: yes, that's intentional... there are resume-related problems if we update it before playback begins |
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| 01:10:17 | jhMikeS | I wish I'd done a dump _before_ installing rb |
| 01:10:25 | jhMikeS | just to have an orginal copy |
| 01:10:32 | _FireFly_ | hardeep: no i mean in playlist.c:721 |
| 01:10:46 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: That's the first thing I do now when buying a new DAP. |
| 01:10:55 | jhMikeS | makes sense :) |
| 01:11:02 | hardeep | _FireFly_: yes, that's what I'm referring to... it was done intentionally |
| 01:11:58 | jhMikeS | is it possible to reencrypt to restore it? |
| 01:12:03 | | Part Domonoky |
| 01:12:52 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: I think you can just copy an original .mi4 file to the root and start the original firmware. That will install that mi4. |
| 01:13:22 | _FireFly_ | hmm after changing inserted_pos < playlist->last_inserted_post to inserted_pos > playlist->last_inserted_post the order is no correct... but i don't know if this change doesn't result in misbehaviour in other places |
| 01:13:43 | jimbobuk | madness, someone is selling a battery for toshiba gigabeats.. wasn't aware they were changable. |
| 01:14:14 | hardeep | _FireFly_: yeah, there was some problems with resume when doing that... i forget the details now but the history of playlist.c will describe it |
| 01:14:45 | hardeep | _FireFly_: the easy fix for recursive insert is to use INSERT_LAST before playback begins |
| 01:14:59 | jhMikeS | I was trying to backup and just start on a clean one...stupid question: where do I check fw revisions...if I've already got a clean one, I won't worry. |
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| 01:16:44 | _FireFly_ | hardeep: no it isn't a fix because the order will be wrong when i try to create a playlist with recursive insert when no playlist exist at that moment |
| 01:17:16 | _FireFly_ | there is no option insert last when there is no playlist |
| 01:17:28 | hardeep | _FireFly_: hmmm, I don't follow. the order will be exactly correct. this is exactly what the code did before the menu change |
| 01:17:34 | _FireFly_ | only insert and "insert shuffled" |
| 01:17:49 | hardeep | _FireFly_: right, i need to change "insert" to actually be an INSERT_LAST |
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| 01:21:06 | jimbobuk | hardeep: i'm getting xcode 2.2.1, that should be all i need on the apple side shouldnt it? |
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| 01:22:23 | hardeep | jimbobuk: I believe so |
| 01:22:49 | jimbobuk | cool, i hoped so seeing as its an 800meg disk image |
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| 01:30:19 | jhMikeS | linuxstb_: It occurs to me I can just use their FW upgrade and redump actually after restoring it so I have one with the latest...any problems with newer fws? |
| 01:31:09 | hardeep | _FireFly_: please try the latest svn build once it completes... it should fix the issue |
| 01:31:35 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: Not that I know of, but I'm not an expert on the Sansas (I don't own one) |
| 01:32:13 | jhMikeS | linuxstb_: somehow I got some impression you did :P ?? |
| 01:32:37 | _FireFly_ | hardeep: i have change the value of the menupoint Playlist -> Insert form PLAYLIST_INSERT to PLAYLIST_INSERT_LAST and now it seems to work# |
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| 01:33:37 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: I wrote sansapatcher, but without a sansa... |
| 01:36:22 | jhMikeS | hehe...nice job then |
| 01:36:57 | jhMikeS | linuxstb_: I can always reverse dd the backup if worse comes to worse right? dd works that way? |
| 01:36:59 | _FireFly_ | hardeep: hmm shouldn't it be LANG_INSERT_LAST instead LANG_INSERT for the displayed text? because now there will be two menuetrys called Insert |
| 01:38:49 | _FireFly_ | jhMikeS: dd makes an bit per bit copy of the specified "file" in your case from a partition # |
| 01:38:50 | hardeep | _FireFly_: Nope, there will be only one entry ("Insert"). The no_play option is only visible when audio isn't playing and the other one only when it is |
| 01:39:50 | jhMikeS | _FireFly_: so a dd from the working backup to the partition should be ok (I think you're implying) |
| 01:40:05 | _FireFly_ | jhMikeS: yepp |
| 01:40:09 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: That won't restore the contents of the flash if the Sansa updater updates that... |
| 01:40:23 | linuxstb | (flash ROM) |
| 01:40:29 | Nico_P | woooo ! green build table :D |
| 01:41:26 | Nico_P | so where's Bagder ? :) |
| 01:41:45 | jhMikeS | so noone's tried a rb install after an upgrade? |
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| 01:43:38 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I'm sure they have - we would have heard about problems if there were any. |
| 01:44:04 | Alonea | anything amazing this week? |
| 01:44:24 | linuxstb | No, it's officially been a lame week. |
| 01:44:26 | jhMikeS | maybe I'll play cautious until I'm in the mood for that sort of thing |
| 01:44:55 | jhMikeS | dumping the extracted mi4 worked fine though |
| 01:45:14 | jhMikeS | or using it to restore rather |
| 01:45:48 | Alonea | linuxstb: ah. oh well. sure something exiting will happen eventually. possibly software to talk to et? that would be cool...^__^ |
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| 01:46:19 | * | linuxstb spots an all-green build table for the first time in a while |
| 01:46:49 | Alonea | heh. supa-green! |
| 01:47:33 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: BTW, did you comment out the #warning because it annoyed you or because you fixed it? |
| 01:51:00 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: because it annoyed Bagder and it's probably would've just hung around for a bit |
| 01:51:07 | jhMikeS | I think we got the point already :) |
| 01:51:22 | linuxstb | I'm not complaining, just checking... |
| 01:54:23 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: just wondering, how's progress with FF/RW in MPEGplayer ? |
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| 01:56:30 | preglow | what happened to the core lock warnings? |
| 01:58:24 | linuxstb | They're hiding |
| 02:00 |
| 02:01:23 | preglow | for the sake of a green table? :P |
| 02:02:02 | preglow | bed bed |
| 02:02:03 | preglow | nightie all |
| 02:02:05 | XavierGr | then grats on the "fake-green" table hehe |
| 02:02:08 | pixelma | well rombox is also only hiding... |
| 02:02:12 | XavierGr | good night preglow |
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| 02:03:13 | pixelma | off to bed too |
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| 02:05:14 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: coming along but I'm not rushing it |
| 02:05:59 | jhMikeS | I would've removed the warning and not commented it if it were actually fixed |
| 02:07:24 | Nico_P | cool... looking forward to it :) |
| 02:07:34 | Nico_P | I can also test if you need |
| 02:07:53 | jhMikeS | it's just that to have it work really well on dual-core, we need core sync |
| 02:08:24 | jhMikeS | thanks. it's a little ways from there though |
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| 02:19:23 | smokkin | so i finally got myself an ipod yesterday, and my entire music collection is encodec in OGG, and i stumbled upon rockbox. looks awesome, i just cant find anywhere on the webapge if a 2nd gen nano is supported... anybody know? |
| 02:20:37 | * | Nico_P just discovered svn blame |
| 02:20:48 | Nico_P | this thing is awesome ! |
| 02:21:07 | linuxstb | smokkin: No it's not. The 2nd gen nano is completely different (on the inside) to the other ipods. |
| 02:22:08 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I prefer the more positive version - "svn praise" |
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| 02:22:20 | hardeep | Nico_P: laugh, nice. "blame" is a much better command then "annotate" |
| 02:23:07 | Alonea | speaking of svn, there is a small joke that is: svn commit seppuku |
| 02:23:27 | smokkin | ah, bummer. so - keep waiting... |
| 02:23:28 | smokkin | =) |
| 02:23:40 | Nico_P | linuxstb: haha, yes, but the real name is blame... though praise sounds nicer indeed |
| 02:23:41 | linuxstb | smokkin: It could be a very long wait - no-one is working on it. |
| 02:23:42 | smokkin | thank you much linuxstb |
| 02:23:51 | smokkin | shitty |
| 02:23:58 | smokkin | thank you |
| 02:24:04 | Nico_P | actually with all these strange aliases I thought the command was mean to allow adding comments on commits |
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| 02:33:38 | chrisjs169 | Hey zivan56 |
| 02:33:52 | zivan56 | hello |
| 02:34:02 | chrisjs169 | After applying my custom bbq sauce filter, GPIO E slowed down a lot |
| 02:34:27 | chrisjs169 | showing only 00 and 6D (for the most part, occasionally a few others) |
| 02:35:19 | zivan56 | sounds like the sansa wasn't too happy with that :P |
| 02:35:39 | chrisjs169 | it wasn't....it seems to have messed up Rockbox |
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| 02:36:09 | chrisjs169 | any idea on what gpio e is? |
| 02:36:28 | zivan56 | no clue |
| 02:37:01 | chrisjs169 | ok |
| 02:37:20 | zivan56 | how has it messed up rockbox? |
| 02:38:08 | chrisjs169 | well, it displays everything fine, but it emits a radio-like sound through the headphones |
| 02:38:18 | chrisjs169 | even if no music is player |
| 02:38:21 | chrisjs169 | *playing |
| 02:38:28 | zivan56 | the radio noises are probably because austriancoder enabled line1 in in SVN |
| 02:38:40 | chrisjs169 | back on friday? |
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| 02:38:54 | zivan56 | something like that |
| 02:39:03 | chrisjs169 | hmm |
| 02:39:05 | zivan56 | how loud is the radio noise? |
| 02:39:06 | chrisjs169 | uh oh |
| 02:39:33 | chrisjs169 | i'm not getting a display now |
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| 02:39:59 | chrisjs169 | this is not good... |
| 02:40:14 | zivan56 | it happens quite frequently for me, especially when rebooting it alot |
| 02:40:25 | chrisjs169 | what, the screen not turning on? |
| 02:40:27 | zivan56 | yes |
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| 02:40:36 | chrisjs169 | any idea on fixing it? |
| 02:41:06 | zivan56 | hold down power for 15 secs |
| 02:41:18 | zivan56 | once I had to do that 3 or 4 times to get it to work |
| 02:41:35 | chrisjs169 | even if the scrollwheel lights up? |
| 02:41:47 | zivan56 | yes |
| 02:41:54 | chrisjs169 | ok |
| 02:42:03 | zivan56 | im am surprised you haven't seen that before, it's quite a common problem |
| 02:42:23 | chrisjs169 | I think this may be slightly different.... |
| 02:42:31 | chrisjs169 | you see, I don't even have a battery in it right now |
| 02:42:39 | chrisjs169 | I'm turning it on by plugging the usb cable in |
| 02:43:38 | chrisjs169 | still the same? |
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| 02:44:13 | chrisjs169 | i think i may have bricked it....scrollwheel isn't turning on |
| 02:44:20 | chrisjs169 | *lighting up |
| 02:44:49 | zivan56 | it probably just needs a battery to start up properly |
| 02:45:02 | chrisjs169 | i'll try |
| 02:46:12 | chrisjs169 | it isn't completely bricked though....when plugging in the usb cable, i hear 'noises' like normal |
| 02:47:01 | chrisjs169 | ok, scrollwheel lights up again :D |
| 02:47:43 | chrisjs169 | guess i should just let it sit....plugging it in and unplugging it probably isn't good for it |
| 02:49:16 | chrisjs169 | well, i plugged it in to my computer |
| 02:49:21 | chrisjs169 | the bootloader crashed... |
| 02:49:24 | chrisjs169 | wait |
| 02:49:26 | chrisjs169 | no |
| 02:49:30 | chrisjs169 | i2c |
| 02:50:06 | chrisjs169 | 0b70:0003 is what again? |
| 02:50:28 | chrisjs169 | pre-boot mode? |
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| 02:51:24 | zivan56 | no clue, 0003 is portalplayer, so it probably is |
| 02:51:35 | chrisjs169 | yeah....that's bad isn't it? |
| 02:52:07 | zivan56 | err mean 0b70 is portalplayer... |
| 02:52:21 | zivan56 | sounds like you need to use e200tool |
| 02:52:31 | chrisjs169 | ok |
| 02:52:46 | chrisjs169 | now, if the scrollwheel doesn't light up, how will I know if it works? |
| 02:53:20 | Soap | linuxstb: are you still awake? |
| 02:53:22 | zivan56 | well it shows up as a usb device |
| 02:53:31 | chrisjs169 | yeah |
| 02:53:41 | chrisjs169 | is using an e260 i2c bin fine on a e250? |
| 02:54:18 | zivan56 | no clue, it should be the same for all of them |
| 02:55:01 | chrisjs169 | ok |
| 02:55:45 | zivan56 | I am quite sure something outside of the sansa fm tuner itself needs to be set, I found that modifying a frequency register and rebooting into OF would cause static unless I change the frequency |
| 02:56:13 | zivan56 | and it stores settings between reboots |
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| 02:57:51 | chrisjs169 | uh oh |
| 02:57:53 | chrisjs169 | this isn't good |
| 02:58:08 | chrisjs169 | there was.....water near the daughterboard |
| 02:59:45 | chrisjs169 | i think i completely bricked it |
| 02:59:57 | zivan56 | err, take out any power source and let it dry asap |
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| 03:00:16 | zivan56 | you probably did brick it now by turning it on |
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| 03:03:27 | chrisjs169 | yeah =/ |
| 03:03:46 | chrisjs169 | it isn't appearing at all in lsusb |
| 03:03:55 | zivan56 | just let it dry |
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| 03:05:23 | chrisjs169 | is there hope? |
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| 03:05:44 | major_works | You don't smell anything burnt, do you? |
| 03:06:01 | Soap | let it dry overnight w/o any source of power. stop plugging it in. |
| 03:06:09 | Soap | at least overnight. |
| 03:06:13 | chrisjs169 | I did stop plugging it in once it stopped appearing |
| 03:06:20 | zivan56 | maybe, see when it dries out, you are just making it worse by plugging it |
| 03:06:32 | chrisjs169 | I know, that's why I stopped plugging it in |
| 03:07:22 | chrisjs169 | Is there any possibility that it'll work again? |
| 03:07:46 | zivan56 | maybe |
| 03:12:15 | major_works | chrisjs169: If you didn't smell something burnt, that's a hopeful sign. |
| 03:12:48 | major_works | You've got to let it thoroughly dry... in the morning, set it near a window in the sun (if it's sunny, that is). |
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| 03:17:41 | * | BHSPitMonkey has a sploded a router before |
| 03:18:54 | chrisjs169 | BHSPitMonkey: how? |
| 03:19:17 | BHSPitMonkey | AC adapter mix-up |
| 03:19:34 | chrisjs169 | wow |
| 03:19:40 | chrisjs169 | did it work after that? |
| 03:19:50 | BHSPitMonkey | *fits*, *pop*, *smoke*, *sad* |
| 03:19:55 | chrisjs169 | =/ |
| 03:19:55 | BHSPitMonkey | I miss that D-Link |
| 03:20:04 | BHSPitMonkey | now we have a stupid linksys as a result |
| 03:20:40 | chrisjs169 | i wonder if the daughterboard was the only thing that got messed up (if anything did) |
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| 04:47:57 | streymasta | hey guys |
| 04:48:02 | streymasta | i have a problem |
| 04:48:56 | streymasta | can someone please help me? |
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| 04:59:12 | saratoga2 | then someone will help if they know the answer |
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| 05:52:45 | jba | hey guys, teh gigabeat has been getting much svn love lately |
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| 07:29:23 | rigel | im still getting "codec failure" every time i try and play a file on the h10 20gb |
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| 07:42:47 | rigel | there should be a note that the mi4 file has changed since switching over to dual-boot |
| 07:42:53 | rigel | on the h10 20gb |
| 07:43:06 | rigel | i just updated the mi4 file, and now everything seems to work |
| 07:43:22 | rigel | but that changes so rarely, it needs to be mentioned somehow |
| 07:43:31 | JdGordon | codec failure means you didnt update your codecs... |
| 07:43:50 | rigel | are the codecs in .rockbox or in the firmware |
| 07:43:51 | rigel | er |
| 07:43:54 | rigel | the mi4 |
| 07:44:18 | JdGordon | .rockbox |
| 07:44:25 | rigel | no |
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| 07:44:37 | JdGordon | no? |
| 07:44:44 | rigel | i completely replaced .rockbox like half a dozen times |
| 07:44:56 | rigel | deleted it first, checked for bad sectors, the whole bit |
| 07:45:01 | amiconn | The codecs must match your firmware |
| 07:45:12 | rigel | they do, everything works fine now |
| 07:45:16 | rigel | the mi4 changed though |
| 07:45:25 | rigel | i had last updated that in december |
| 07:45:30 | amiconn | They will fail both if they're too old and if they're too new in relation to the main firmware |
| 07:45:32 | rigel | when the switch to dual boot was made |
| 07:46:14 | rigel | that mi4 had worked flawlessly with every update until the last one i made of .rockbox, which was sometime in early april |
| 07:46:40 | rigel | then i update it again yesterday, and i kept getting codec failed messages |
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| 07:47:08 | rigel | i finally went back and looked at the mi4 file, and it was different |
| 07:47:39 | rigel | my point is that that should be indicated somewhere, that new .rockbox software past a certain date requires a new .mi4 |
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| 07:48:39 | JdGordon | its the otherway around... |
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| 07:48:51 | JdGordon | your new .mi4 needs a new .rockbox/ ... |
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| 07:49:14 | JdGordon | unless the mi4 your talking about is the bootloader? in which case its still the other way around... |
| 07:50:00 | rigel | however you want to phrase it, the .rockbox software before a certain date will not work with the current .mi4, and the rockbox software past a certain date will not work with the previous .mi4 |
| 07:50:14 | rigel | my point, again, is that I HAD NO INDICATION THAT THE MI4 HAD CHANGED |
| 07:50:50 | rigel | my update procedure had consisted of simply downloading the zip file and installing directly to the unit |
| 07:51:03 | rigel | because noone told me the mi4 had changed |
| 07:51:13 | JdGordon | meh, update more frequently then |
| 07:51:26 | rigel | how about you just put a fucking indicator up somehow |
| 07:51:42 | rigel | sometimes people cant update as frequently as theyd like |
| 07:51:53 | JurassicC | whoa Cowboy. We don't want any trouble |
| 07:52:01 | JdGordon | how bout you watch the svn commits and when it says "you need a new bootloader" you do it |
| 07:52:36 | rigel | how about you stop being an elitist fuckhole and realize that people less technically savvy than you use this shit |
| 07:52:52 | JdGordon | its just in my nature... |
| 07:52:59 | rigel | i enjoy using rockbox immensely |
| 07:53:29 | rigel | but it behooves the developers to make sure that it is at least a little bit user-friendly so that its adoption can spread |
| 07:53:31 | scorche | rigel: chill outy |
| 07:53:37 | rigel | im totally chill |
| 07:54:03 | scorche | using expletives in this channel is unneeded and against the guidelines |
| 07:54:07 | rigel | im simply trying to get some recognition that this may be a problem for some people |
| 07:54:21 | rigel | expletives schmexpletives. this is how people talk in the real world. |
| 07:54:37 | scorche | and if you are in this channel, then re4spect this channel's guidelines |
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| 07:54:57 | JurassicC | rigel: you lose credibility when you do that |
| 07:55:12 | rigel | JurassicC: man, eat a fucking bushel of cocks. |
| 07:55:18 | rigel | i dont give a shit what you think about me |
| 07:55:23 | rigel | im trying to tell you you have a problem |
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| 07:55:39 | rigel | credibility, i dont give a shit |
| 07:55:46 | Mode | "#rockbox +o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 07:55:50 | rigel | im not trying to make friends |
| 07:56:03 | Mode | "#rockbox +b %rigel!*@* " by scorche (i=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
| 07:56:05 | JurassicC | well you want help, acting like a 5 year old doesn't help anythihng |
| 07:56:11 | JdGordon | bye bye :D |
| 07:56:12 | scorche | now relax |
| 07:56:18 | scorche | JdGordon: it is a mute..not a kick |
| 07:56:21 | scorche | or a ban |
| 07:56:33 | JdGordon | close enough |
| 07:56:57 | scorche | rigel: 10 min....read the guidelines linked in the topic, or leave |
| 07:57:56 | JdGordon | too bad about his attitude.. because he unfortuantly does have a point there.. |
| 07:58:16 | scorche | JdGordon: he is still here, just cannot say anything...he has 10 min to relax a bit |
| 07:58:36 | JdGordon | I know.. |
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| 08:04:25 | scorche | JdGordon: it was brought up in the forums recently...basically, the attitude is, if rockbox has not been released for your device, you are a tester and it is your responsibility to check on these things if you wish to continue testing...the notifications are there in MajorChanges and the changelog as well as reports in the forums as well |
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| 08:05:42 | JdGordon | I get that, but really... unless something major happens at devcon, do you honestly see a proper "release" for any targets happening soon? |
| 08:06:18 | JdGordon | Id be happy if a message went out to rockbox users ml if the commit message had "update bootloader" in it... |
| 08:06:58 | Mode | "#rockbox -b %rigel!*@* " by scorche (i=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
| 08:07:00 | scorche | behave |
| 08:07:21 | rigel | JdGordon: that's all i was asking for |
| 08:07:55 | rigel | just put a tag on the build that says like "works with bootloader from this date" |
| 08:08:22 | scorche | that would be quite superfluous and would just add clutter, imo |
| 08:08:27 | scorche | a mail would be decent |
| 08:08:35 | scorche | plus, as long as we update MajorChanges |
| 08:08:41 | rigel | a mail? |
| 08:08:44 | JdGordon | that is there... http://www.rockbox.org/since20060801.html has heaps of "update bootloader"-esqe messages |
| 08:08:44 | rigel | to who? |
| 08:08:46 | scorche | in the mailing lists |
| 08:08:52 | rigel | how many unique ips download rockbox a day? |
| 08:09:01 | JdGordon | bootloader changes dont usually go in majorchanges |
| 08:09:02 | rigel | why do you want to limit this to developers? |
| 08:09:10 | scorche | we dont |
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| 08:09:27 | rigel | then why are you suggesting that it go out via mail? |
| 08:09:33 | scorche | JdGordon: but, we can make them go into that |
| 08:09:48 | scorche | rigel: because many open source projects, including ours uses mailing lists |
| 08:09:50 | rigel | the "current builds" only has what, like 2 days of commits listed? |
| 08:10:06 | scorche | you will see them in a link on the side if you dont subscribe |
| 08:10:07 | rigel | scorche: but how many people do you think use rockbox who are not in fact developers? |
| 08:10:15 | rigel | i sure didnt see anything. |
| 08:10:19 | scorche | rigel: i dont see how that matters |
| 08:10:46 | rigel | if i saw "bootloader updated 03/07" on the h10 page |
| 08:10:52 | scorche | JdGordon: perhaps a recent bootloader with a changed (xx-xx-xxxx) on the current build page? |
| 08:10:56 | rigel | then i would have updated my bootloader and saved myself the aggravation |
| 08:11:17 | JdGordon | scorche: what we really need is a way for the firmware to read the bootloader version.. |
| 08:11:31 | rigel | scorche: it matters because you are providing software to people who may not know what theyre doing |
| 08:11:40 | rigel | the more user-friendly your site is, the wider your adoption |
| 08:11:43 | scorche | rigel: as i said, you are testing an unreleased project |
| 08:11:57 | scorche | there will be bugs and updates needed |
| 08:11:58 | rigel | what units has rockbox been "released" for thus far? |
| 08:12:03 | JdGordon | rigel: no, we arnt.... like scorche said, the only real users are the ones using rockbox 2.5 on the archos models... everyone else is a beta tester |
| 08:12:04 | scorche | the archos units |
| 08:12:05 | rigel | the ondios and archos? |
| 08:12:21 | rigel | gimme a break |
| 08:12:33 | JdGordon | you had one already... |
| 08:12:45 | scorche | give us a break...we develop this firmware...do not get mad at us for doing so |
| 08:13:02 | rigel | im not getting mad, and certainly not for developing it |
| 08:13:18 | rigel | however, i have some motherfucking issues with your shitass elitist fuckhole assclown attitude |
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| 08:13:22 | rigel | so go fuck yourselves |
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| 08:13:30 | scorche | "thanks for developing this, but do you think you could perhaps make a small change that would do x?" is a bit better attitud....not worth it |
| 08:13:30 | midkay | haha. omg. |
| 08:13:43 | JdGordon | haha, oh well |
| 08:13:53 | midkay | that was.. haha. |
| 08:14:11 | scorche | i was about to offer him a full refund too =( |
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| 08:15:26 | scorche | i like muting....much kinder than kicking =) |
| 08:15:41 | scorche | as a first offense, at least |
| 08:20:37 | calam | well, in fairness, his request seems one i can agree with to a point, not his manner though. i am a week old user, and have my share of difficulties, and yesterdays build has given me enough lockups that i went back to the one i started with, and i dont know if i should record & remark on the bugs i see, or if it is superflouis. i do think a notice posted in the log might be helpful for those of us who do not have |
| 08:20:58 | scorche | latest bootloader: foorbar 2.3 (changed xx-xx-xxxx) on the builds page would be decent, no? |
| 08:22:11 | kkurbjun | wasn't there a suggestion a while ago to make the bootloaders aware of whether they are compatible with the build they are loading with some scramble magic? |
| 08:22:39 | calam | because i have a couple requests for features i think would be easy (if i could help out, i would, but i do not know anything bout coding, so may be harder than i might expect) i would like to suggest if its okay. |
| 08:22:52 | kkurbjun | I remember linuxstb mentioning that when the work was being done on the gigabeat bootloader |
| 08:23:13 | scorche | calam: we use the tracker for feature requests....please serarch if it has already been requested before first though please |
| 08:23:21 | scorche | i cannot type tonight... |
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| 08:42:58 | jaczehack | salaam |
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| 09:01:59 | amiconn | hmm |
| 09:02:18 | * | amiconn just realised that it would make sense to make splashes trigger the backlight |
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| 09:04:26 | daurnimator | JdGordon |
| 09:04:31 | JdGordon | hey |
| 09:04:40 | daurnimator | sup |
| 09:04:43 | JdGordon | nm |
| 09:04:53 | JdGordon | trying t get bluetooth going |
| 09:05:04 | daurnimator | on? |
| 09:05:10 | JdGordon | my comp |
| 09:05:14 | daurnimator | with? |
| 09:06:12 | JdGordon | my phone |
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| 09:07:06 | JdGordon | soo close... its askiung for a password or something :( |
| 09:07:11 | daurnimator | o.o |
| 09:07:21 | scorche | passkey |
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| 09:09:11 | JdGordon | the phone is asking for the key, not the computer... |
| 09:09:43 | JdGordon | I can send files across... cant sync though :( |
| 09:09:47 | scorche | typically you type anumber in to use as the passkey, and then the computer will ask you to repeat that key |
| 09:10:19 | JdGordon | type the number on he fone, then it fails |
| 09:10:44 | daurnimator | rtfm? |
| 09:10:54 | JdGordon | there is none |
| 09:11:08 | daurnimator | look up on web |
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| 09:11:26 | scorche | check in options of there is a place where you set the code |
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| 09:40:36 | crop | Hehe. On http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/KnowledgeMap, amiconn is only listed as an archos expert. |
| 09:41:14 | scorche | it isnt fully fleshed out |
| 09:41:36 | scorche | there are a few others who could qualify easily, but i would say he is the main archos dev |
| 09:43:08 | crop | scorche: but ONLY that? |
| 09:43:21 | scorche | huh? |
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| 09:52:38 | linuxstb | markun: Around? |
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| 09:53:27 | crop | scorche: I mean, I can't believe that amiconn can't be listed in many other sections |
| 09:54:33 | scorche | as i said, it isnt fully fleshed out...also, devs can shoose to list themselves as whatever they wish |
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| 09:58:17 | crop | ok, ok, I just wondered |
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| 10:09:09 | markun | linuxstb: I am now |
| 10:10:43 | linuxstb | markun: Looking at the gigabeat lcd driver in more detail, I've realised the lcd power-off (toggling bit 1 of LCD_CON1) is disabled unless enabled via the debug menu. I assume that was so it could be tested - any idea if it has been? |
| 10:12:13 | markun | linuxstb: it was not saving any power according to toffe's measurements and gave problems with the remote |
| 10:12:41 | markun | so we turned it off for now |
| 10:12:47 | linuxstb | So we could just remove it? Or do you think it's still useful if someone wants to do further tests? |
| 10:14:11 | markun | I guess it could be removed for the same reason as the DMA stuff |
| 10:14:22 | markun | it's still in svn if someone wants to play with it |
| 10:14:33 | linuxstb | Well, it's not actually causing any harm at the moment. |
| 10:15:25 | linuxstb | The main reason I removed the DMA stuff was that it was buggy. |
| 10:15:39 | chrisjs169|brb | WOOT |
| 10:15:59 | chrisjs169|brb | My shorted sansa is now recognised again |
| 10:16:00 | JdGordon | your sansa is working again? |
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| 10:16:47 | chrisjs169|brb | Sort of |
| 10:16:53 | chrisjs169|brb | it's booting to preboot |
| 10:17:11 | chrisjs169|brb | so I use e200tool i2cprogram i2c-e260.bin? |
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| 10:18:39 | JdGordon | not if you dont have to |
| 10:18:52 | chrisjs169|brb | so what do I do? |
| 10:19:06 | chrisjs169|brb | skip to just the BL? |
| 10:19:31 | JdGordon | preboot is manuafacturer mode? or recovery? |
| 10:19:45 | chrisjs169|brb | preboot is when the i2c fails |
| 10:19:56 | chrisjs169|brb | so it's lower than manufacturing mode |
| 10:20:09 | JdGordon | ah, well you probably need to do the i2c thing... |
| 10:20:12 | chrisjs169|brb | ok |
| 10:20:16 | chrisjs169|brb | prolly both... |
| 10:20:16 | * | JdGordon never got that low |
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| 10:20:46 | chrisjs169|brb | Programming failed (-32, Broken pipe) |
| 10:23:12 | linuxstb | chrisjs169|brb: It sounds like your flash could be damaged - which is why it wouldn't boot in the first place. |
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| 10:24:45 | chrisjs169|brb | so i killed the flash? |
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| 10:26:48 | chrisjs169|brb | Verify error at 0x0000! |
| 10:26:49 | chrisjs169|brb | =/ |
| 10:28:00 | chrisjs169|brb | it does boot to preboot now, so I guess I just need to look for a new flash |
| 10:29:55 | chrisjs169|brb | this might be a stretch, but could i possibly try reading from the sansa? |
| 10:31:41 | chrisjs169|brb | wait....part of the flash is still good |
| 10:32:23 | chrisjs169|brb | even if I can't write to it, how could I possibly recover some of my files? |
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| 10:38:44 | chrisjs169|brb | XavierGr: you wouldn't happen to have a sansa would you? |
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| 10:42:49 | chrisjs169|brb | ok....i'm gonna go back to bed.....can anyone tell me if it's possible to use e200 to recover some of my files? (it appears I can still read from it) |
| 10:42:58 | chrisjs169|brb | *use e200tool |
| 10:44:33 | lachlan | What files do you have on your sansa that need to be recovered? Surely its all backed up? |
| 10:45:21 | Siltaar | I added a #include"lang.h" in my sudoku plugin, and so now it has to compile lang.h and lang.c to generate a lang.o to link with sudoku.o... |
| 10:45:36 | Siltaar | but the current makefile can't handle this... |
| 10:45:42 | Siltaar | any suggestion ? |
| 10:45:58 | JurassicC | chrisjs169|brb:what about i2cdump? (im probably way off base) |
| 10:46:11 | JdGordon | Siltaar: what are yuo trying to do? |
| 10:49:31 | chrisjs169|brb | lachlan: It hasn't been backed up recently =/ I wasn't really planning on killing the flash today |
| 10:49:41 | linuxstb | Siltaar: You can't use core functions in a plugin - you have to export them via the plugin API. AFAIK, localisation isn't possible for plugins at the moment. |
| 10:50:07 | chrisjs169|brb | JurassicC: I'm trying to see if it's possible to recover my music etc using e200tool, since it seems I can still read (portions at least) of the flash |
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| 10:51:21 | chrisjs169|brb | I was thinking maybe ./e200tool read could do it, but I dunno the address of where the 'main' partition starts |
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| 10:51:59 | JurassicC | ah |
| 10:52:16 | Siltaar | linuxstb JdGordon, I added the talk_number and the talk_id function in the API |
| 10:52:50 | Siltaar | but in order to use some IDs I need to include lang.h |
| 10:53:17 | Siltaar | my goal is to achieve my speeking (adapted to blind poeple) sudoku |
| 10:53:23 | chrisjs169|brb | JurassicC: so would that be possible if I had the address? |
| 10:54:07 | Siltaar | the talk number function is really great but, I need at least to be able to access to some labels such as 'No' |
| 10:55:06 | JurassicC | chrisjs169: yes, with the address. Right now im trying to find out what the e200tool i2cdump command does (maybe helpful?) |
| 10:56:16 | Siltaar | another possibility could be to duplication I18n speaking functions in the code of sudoku plugin, and to build a second set of spoken 'labels' dedicated to Sudoku... :-( |
| 10:56:59 | markun | Siltaar: isn't it difficult to keep an overview of the sudoku board when you are blind? |
| 10:57:33 | markun | or do you have some solution for that? |
| 10:57:50 | Siltaar | it is possible, exactly as great chessplayers can easily play without the board |
| 10:58:20 | Siltaar | the concept is proven, and usable on audiogame.org (or net) |
| 10:58:32 | markun | aha |
| 10:58:34 | Siltaar | I just adapt it to the Rockbox sudoku |
| 10:59:20 | Siltaar | And I certainly will make also a un-mine-man game using the same capabilities |
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| 11:00:05 | JurassicC | chrisjs169: do you know the length you would need to read? if you start with 0x0000, couldnt you just read all of it, if you knew the length? |
| 11:01:54 | Siltaar | So currently I was wondering about the better way to have lang.o accessible for sudoku linking, adding a link from existing lang.o to sudoku accessible directory ? Or addapt the sudoku make file... |
| 11:02:30 | markun | Siltaar: I don't think audiogame.net is the one, and .org doesn't do anything |
| 11:02:38 | markun | .com doesn't look like it either |
| 11:02:40 | Siltaar | sorry |
| 11:02:45 | Siltaar | audiogames |
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| 11:02:56 | Siltaar | .net |
| 11:02:57 | markun | thanks |
| 11:03:28 | Siltaar | Then, I certainly be interested in adding I18n strings, for use in sudoku... |
| 11:04:03 | Siltaar | markun : http://www.audiogames.net/sudosan/ |
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| 11:05:13 | Siltaar | currently, about every audio capabilities work, I just miss some strings such as 'draft list empty'... |
| 11:05:29 | Siltaar | I miss a enqueue-able beep |
| 11:05:34 | Siltaar | I miss I18n |
| 11:06:05 | Siltaar | and a self compiling project... (As currently I need to hand copy the lang.o file ^_^) |
| 11:06:26 | markun | Siltaar: ah, looks interesting: http://www.audiogames.net/sudosan/ |
| 11:06:38 | markun | and doesn't involve your pro chess memory requirement |
| 11:06:49 | Siltaar | ah ? |
| 11:08:01 | markun | I just wonder if we have enough buttons for playing the current row, column and square |
| 11:08:16 | Siltaar | its currently done like that in sudoku plugin, I added (on my side) a Speech menu, that allow to read lines columns squares and draft lists |
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| 11:09:14 | Siltaar | so the keybinding is the same as before for Sudoku |
| 11:10:00 | markun | but you have not been able to play it yet with audio? |
| 11:10:50 | Siltaar | it works well with talk number function |
| 11:11:01 | Siltaar | and I added talk id as well in the API |
| 11:11:22 | Siltaar | but now it can't compile with the current makefile |
| 11:11:45 | Siltaar | is the current sudoku makefile can't produce lang.o |
| 11:12:39 | Siltaar | So was wondering, if it's better to ln existing lang.o in sudoku folder, or to modify the sudoku makefil |
| 11:13:53 | Siltaar | I don't understand so much the current makefile... |
| 11:14:57 | XavierGr | chrisjs169|brb: no I don't |
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| 11:42:21 | daurnimator | JdGordon: you ever used openbsd? |
| 11:44:33 | JdGordon | no |
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| 11:56:21 | Siltaar | also I wonder how to enqueue a 'bip' produced by pcm_beep |
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| 12:04:19 | Siltaar | if its possible |
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| 12:13:10 | JdGordon | anyone good with graphix and got 5 min spare? |
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| 12:22:02 | Siltaar | JdGordon, graphix means ? |
| 12:23:58 | JdGordon | graphics.. I cant spell... dont worry, decided i dont need help after all |
| 12:29:06 | linuxstb_ | Siltaar: What exactly do you need from lang.o? Linking lang.o directly to your plugin doesn't sound a nice solution. |
| 12:31:40 | linuxstb_ | Couldn't you just export language_strings[] via the plugin API and change the str() macro in lang.h to refer to rb->language_strings? I don't know the consequences of that though, and that may not be desired either... |
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| 12:57:49 | pondlife | JdGordon: ping? |
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| 12:57:56 | printfXh4 | Hey/ |
| 12:57:57 | printfXh4 | Uh. |
| 12:57:59 | printfXh4 | Two questions. |
| 12:58:09 | printfXh4 | 1) Does anyone know if Pacman works on Sansa e200? |
| 12:58:15 | printfXh4 | 2) Can you play music while playing pacman? |
| 12:58:27 | linuxstb | yes, not on the Sansa. |
| 12:58:27 | * | printfXh4 is considering installing rockbox after finding out that there's a pacman plugin. |
| 12:58:31 | printfXh4 | :O |
| 12:58:32 | printfXh4 | :( |
| 12:58:39 | printfXh4 | linuxstb, you mean yes to 1 and no to 2? :( |
| 12:58:45 | linuxstb | yes |
| 12:58:55 | JdGordon | what can i do you for pondlife? |
| 12:59:03 | pondlife | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7176 perhaps? ;) |
| 12:59:09 | printfXh4 | linuxstb, why no to 2? :( |
| 12:59:13 | printfXh4 | Why oh why? :( |
| 12:59:14 | pondlife | It's a rather odd menu bug |
| 12:59:18 | linuxstb | Because the CPU isn't fast enough to do both. |
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| 12:59:45 | linuxstb | (it's a Pacman arcade machine emulator, not a clone of Pacman, so it's very CPU intensive) |
| 12:59:52 | pondlife | I expect it's something simple-ish, but I don't have time to do more than hit and run at the moment. |
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| 13:00:10 | printfXh4 | linuxstb, ah. |
| 13:00:14 | printfXh4 | How about DOOM? |
| 13:00:14 | linuxstb | printfXh4: In fact, I'm not even sure about 1), let me check... |
| 13:00:16 | JdGordon | pondlife: hmm... interesting.... wanna finish my crypto assignemtn so i can look at it ? :'( |
| 13:00:18 | printfXh4 | :O :( |
| 13:00:24 | printfXh4 | </3 |
| 13:00:33 | pondlife | lol |
| 13:00:47 | pondlife | I work with crypto, but don't know much about the innards |
| 13:00:57 | linuxstb | printfXh4: Yes, it's included in the Sansa builds. |
| 13:01:01 | pondlife | Am happy to help with theory though.. |
| 13:01:10 | printfXh4 | !!! <3<3<3 |
| 13:01:18 | JdGordon | pondlife: enigma machine is killing me :'( |
| 13:01:28 | printfXh4 | linuxstb, but there's absolutely no chance music can be played simultaneously? How about music + DOOM? Or is that not possible either? |
| 13:01:37 | pondlife | Ah, that's not something I've covered. |
| 13:02:08 | chrisjs169|brb | now that i have a (partial) backup of my sansa, how can I convert the hex file back into the regular files? |
| 13:02:54 | pondlife | JdGordon: I'm more into the prime-based stuff, not substitution. |
| 13:02:56 | linuxstb | printfXh4: No, that's not possible either. However, it could happen in the future if someone decided to use the second CPU core in the Sansa for it. |
| 13:03:06 | pondlife | JdGordon: http://www.codesandciphers.org.uk/enigma/index.htm ? |
| 13:03:17 | JdGordon | pondlife: yeah, thats what we are woring off... |
| 13:03:21 | pondlife | :) |
| 13:04:15 | linuxstb | chrisjs169|brb: How partial is your backup? Do you have the start of the disk including the partition table etc ? |
| 13:05:25 | linuxstb | You will need to try and run a FAT32 recovery tool on the partition dump. But the first thing to try would be to simply try to mount the disk image (simple in Linux, no idea about other OSes). |
| 13:05:32 | * | linuxstb afk for lunch |
| 13:05:56 | chrisjs169|brb | linuxstb: how could I mount it in Linux, being a hex file and all |
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| 13:06:47 | chrisjs169|brb | I've got 0x00000000 up to 0x02809a314 (roughly, when I originally said partial backup, it was because it timed out, so I restarted it) |
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| 13:08:05 | chrisjs169|brb | it's still running, up to ~55 megs |
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| 13:33:33 | JdGordon | pondlife: hmm... off bug you foun there :p |
| 13:35:13 | pondlife | Indeed |
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| 13:58:35 | linuxstb | chrisjs169|brb: You first need to extract the FAT32 partition from the whole-disk image (which is what I'm guessing you've dumped). I think "dd if=dump.bin of=part1.bin skip=63" should do it. Then (as root) "mkdir tmp ; mount -o loop -t vfat part1.bin tmp" to mount that partition. You can then copy files from tmp/ |
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| 14:18:47 | Siltaar | (coming back from lunch) so, linuxstb, about lang.h, this file is in your /build folder, and so the makefile of sudoku plugin just give the following error message |
| 14:18:56 | Siltaar | no rule to make lang.o |
| 14:19:47 | linuxstb | Yes, because you shouldn't be linking it directly in a plugin. It's linked to the core, so you can export it via the plugin API. |
| 14:19:52 | Siltaar | as I'm not so fond of makefiles, I was dreaming of a simple rule to add |
| 14:20:55 | Siltaar | currently I need to include lang.h in the plugin to be able to use talk_id |
| 14:21:07 | Siltaar | that I added to the API |
| 14:21:21 | Siltaar | like talk_number... |
| 14:21:31 | Siltaar | but in fact |
| 14:22:35 | Siltaar | I would be pleased to be able to define a new set of talked strings... and new peusdo lang file (with mp3 inside), and index my imported version of talk_id on this new set of strings |
| 14:23:30 | Siltaar | if its help, I would prefer |
| 14:23:47 | Siltaar | as I need specific messages |
| 14:24:50 | linuxstb | The problem is that currently plugins don't support speech or localisation - so you're adding those capabilities. I'm aware of some work (called langv2) which aims to implement it, but I'm not sure of the details. There is probably a wiki page about it though. |
| 14:25:21 | linuxstb | Bagder is the main person behind it I think, but he's not around. If you wait, maybe someone who does know the plan will appear. |
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| 14:27:18 | Siltaar | ok thanks |
| 14:27:41 | Siltaar | so next thing... |
| 14:27:54 | Siltaar | I use pcm_beep |
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| 14:28:08 | Siltaar | but currently beep are not enqueued |
| 14:28:47 | Siltaar | and so, if I move fast accross the sudoku board, I may loose some beeps |
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| 14:31:27 | Siltaar | is it existing a system that allows to enqueue some beeps ? |
| 14:31:57 | linuxstb | I don't know. |
| 14:33:33 | Siltaar | ok :-( |
| 14:33:43 | Llorean | Wait, so you get a different number of beeps relative to the number of squares moved? |
| 14:33:52 | Siltaar | :'-( |
| 14:34:11 | Siltaar | Llorean, no |
| 14:34:21 | Siltaar | juste one beep by empty case |
| 14:34:24 | Siltaar | cell |
| 14:34:36 | Llorean | What do you mean by losing beeps then? |
| 14:34:43 | Siltaar | but we can moves faster that the "speaker" |
| 14:35:26 | Siltaar | so the numbers are queued, and continually said 'till you stop moving and they are all told |
| 14:36:09 | Siltaar | but the beeps aren't queued, and so moving fast, you'll just ear the filled cell, and will loose the number of empty cell information |
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| 14:36:34 | Llorean | So why not just play one beep per move, and only play the number if they stop in a cell? |
| 14:36:52 | Llorean | Or create an "empty" voice instead of using a beep? |
| 14:37:51 | Siltaar | playing one beep per move is a good idea |
| 14:38:31 | Siltaar | "empty" is something long, beep is rather cool short, convenient |
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| 14:54:22 | webguest05 | hey guys, ive just installed Rockbox Current build on my ipod 5th gen and when i start up Doom it comes up with a wad missing? any ideas? ant |
| 14:54:51 | Llorean | Did you get the necessary files from the Extras page for Doom? |
| 14:55:49 | webguest05 | nope :( could ya post page over plz |
| 14:56:12 | webguest05 | looking for it on rockbox now, but having difficultly finding it |
| 14:56:25 | Llorean | It's the Extras page, it's got a download link on EVERY page of the site. |
| 14:56:26 | bluebrother | webguest05: read the section on the doom plugin in the manual |
| 14:56:50 | bluebrother | it's all explained there. Including download links. |
| 14:56:59 | webguest05 | ok :) sorry for being an idoit, thank you very much for your help :) |
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| 14:58:58 | lachlan_ | I was thinking- could the 'wad missing' message within doom be changed to something like 'wad missing- read manual for help'? |
| 14:59:55 | JdGordon | yep |
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| 15:00:04 | JdGordon | its a plugin, so some extra text is no big deal |
| 15:00:28 | Llorean | Of course, people are supposed to read the manual before asking for help anyway |
| 15:00:31 | Llorean | =/ |
| 15:00:47 | bluebrother | but doesn't an error message somewhat imply "read manual / faq if you don't know what to do with this message"? |
| 15:00:56 | Llorean | I guess not. |
| 15:00:58 | Llorean | Apparently |
| 15:01:21 | Llorean | Maybe remove "Missing Base Wad" and replace it "See Manual to Install" |
| 15:01:51 | bluebrother | remove all error messages and replace them with "RTFM!" :D |
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| 15:02:27 | * | bluebrother prefers error messages that actually tell details, even if the average user doesn't understand them |
| 15:02:46 | * | Llorean tends to agree |
| 15:03:08 | aliask | Well, in this case having both the info and mention of the manual isn't unreasonable I wouldn't have thought. |
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| 15:08:55 | bluebrother | how about a "first start" plugin? Or a readme-first.txt in the root of the installation? |
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| 15:09:26 | JdGordon | you really think people will read it? |
| 15:09:45 | bluebrother | don't know. Only if it's an autostart plugin that doesn't allow you to skip it. |
| 15:09:52 | * | JdGordon wouldnt have any problem with a rockbox-readme.txt file in the .zips |
| 15:09:56 | aliask | Then it's just annoying if you update rockbox. |
| 15:10:08 | Llorean | I think a nag-screen plugin, even if it only runs once, would be irritating |
| 15:10:22 | Llorean | It'd irritate more users than it'd help |
| 15:10:26 | bluebrother | right. But it could be an autostart plugin that checks for some kind of magic file |
| 15:10:36 | Llorean | But adding "See the manual" to every error message might not be the best solution either |
| 15:10:48 | bluebrother | like, if there is no config.cfg present, fire up the plugin |
| 15:11:02 | bluebrother | or simply display a "check the manual" splash. Might be sufficient |
| 15:14:52 | jaczehack | nag screens to the people |
| 15:15:19 | lachlan_ | Llorean: not to every message |
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| 15:16:02 | lachlan_ | But some problems could be helped greatly by it. Doom for example. 'Missing wad' is a fairly basic error, it isn't something that needs a complex or comprehensive error message. |
| 15:16:45 | petur | s/Missing wad/Please install a WAD file |
| 15:17:32 | JdGordon | petur wins! |
| 15:17:43 | markun | sounds friendlier |
| 15:17:44 | Llorean | lachlan_: Most "error" messages are answered in the manual though |
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| 15:19:36 | bluebrother | just display "RTFM". Or even "PEBKAC" ;-) |
| 15:19:45 | JdGordon | daurnimator: wma's??? |
| 15:20:02 | daurnimator | WHAT? |
| 15:20:08 | daurnimator | soz, caps lock' |
| 15:20:14 | lachlan_ | The problem here is that your common village idiot (or user, if you will) runs into these problems simply because they neglect to read the manual. So having them pointed to the manual by the error message (when applicable, I'm not saying apply this to all, or even many error messages) will solve the problem |
| 15:20:27 | petur | bluebrother: keyboard and chair? more PEBDAC then... |
| 15:20:46 | bluebrother | hehe :D |
| 15:20:47 | Llorean | lachlan_: Yes, but then what criteria are used to select the messages that it's added to? |
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| 15:21:43 | JdGordon | daurnimator: i just connected you archos to see what music you had... acdc is in wma :'( |
| 15:22:00 | daurnimator | heh, i still have that on there? |
| 15:22:38 | daurnimator | I actually got in when I was in america - I was staying at an uncle's in chicago, and I had none of my own music there with me |
| 15:22:51 | daurnimator | so, I loaded it up with his - which was 90% wma |
| 15:23:24 | JdGordon | :) |
| 15:23:26 | lachlan_ | Llorean: Its a common problem that a) is encountered by users that don't read the manual, and b) is fairly static c) is solved by the manual |
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| 15:23:55 | bluebrother | rbutil will (hopefully) address this ... |
| 15:24:06 | * | JdGordon is guilty of nver reading the manual properly.. |
| 15:24:07 | Llorean | lachlan_: That's pretty much every error message we've got then. |
| 15:24:08 | bluebrother | by presenting the user the manual :) |
| 15:24:17 | JdGordon | a readme txt file would be nice... |
| 15:24:22 | * | bluebrother never read the manual too. |
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| 15:24:49 | Llorean | Most of the error messages other than the Illegal Instruction or Data Abort ones are there to help the user with basic problems |
| 15:24:55 | daurnimator | JdGordon: if you're giving it back to me tomorrow, I'd appriciate not having to reload music onto it :P |
| 15:25:14 | lachlan_ | except the 'common problem' part. Although common is fairly subjective, I would say 'doom isn't working how do i fix it ;(' is pretty common |
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| 15:27:32 | Llorean | Doom isn't working is maybe #2 for problems with an error message |
| 15:27:45 | Llorean | After "Codec failure / invalid version" style errors |
| 15:28:16 | JdGordon | ... which a readme.txt file would be useless for :p |
| 15:28:57 | Llorean | readme.txt would be mostly useless anyway, if people aren't going to read the manual I think they're unlikely to read it either (in my opinion) |
| 15:29:00 | bluebrother | it wouldn't be useless if the users would read it during installation on the pc. |
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| 15:29:31 | bluebrother | Llorean, I tend to disagree. I usually have a look into the readme file in tarballs first |
| 15:29:32 | lachlan_ | I'll stick with doom for the moment, I don't know much about the other errors. You usually just refer users to the manual anyway when asked for doom support, so why not just cut out the middle man? |
| 15:29:53 | bluebrother | while I check the manual only if needed. But I might be by no ways representative ;-) |
| 15:29:54 | Llorean | bluebrother: But you aren't the kind of user who wouldn't look to the manual when there's a problem. |
| 15:30:10 | Llorean | I think the sort of person who checks out a readme is the sort who'd also check out real documentation if they encounter a problem |
| 15:30:25 | bluebrother | no, as I know who to nag I would go and do that instead :P |
| 15:30:31 | Llorean | Hahaha |
| 15:30:36 | bluebrother | but speaking of the average user you're right. |
| 15:30:53 | Llorean | lachlan_: My point though is that, if we're going to do it for doom, there are plenty of other relevant error messages it could be done for. |
| 15:31:30 | Llorean | lachlan_: And I think adding a line to nearly every relevant error message is not the best solution: We shouldn't have to repeat it all over the place. We need to figure out some way to get the idea to them up front. |
| 15:32:09 | bluebrother | replace the website front page with a big fat link to the manual ;-) |
| 15:32:30 | lachlan_ | Are the more variable that can be associated with the other error message though. Data Abort, for instance. Does that require help from a person as opposed to simple instructions from the manual? If not, then what problem is there with the error message reffering the user to the manual. |
| 15:32:56 | Llorean | Data Abort does require human assistance |
| 15:33:00 | Llorean | It's pretty much useless to the end user |
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| 15:33:11 | lachlan_ | Password protect the zip archives for the builds, and hide the passowrd in the manual |
| 15:33:13 | lachlan_ | ;) |
| 15:33:20 | petur | lol |
| 15:33:22 | Llorean | But my point is, it's incredibly tacky to have 2/3 of the error messages say "Please see the manual" |
| 15:33:34 | Llorean | It feels very condescending to the intelligent end user |
| 15:33:51 | * | petur agrees |
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| 15:34:17 | lachlan_ | When 2/3 of the messages can be resolved by seeing the manual, it makes perfect sense. What exactly do you mean by 'tacky'. Do you mean inconsistant? I would call it adaptive personally. |
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| 15:35:21 | Llorean | Improper and tasteless. It feels like a crude solution |
| 15:35:35 | Llorean | Most users are intelligent enough to use the manual |
| 15:35:55 | Llorean | And when an error happens after they have read the manual, seeing "Please read the manual" suggests to them that the program is saying that they mustn't have. |
| 15:36:03 | Llorean | It's an issue of the face you put forward. |
| 15:36:28 | lachlan_ | Yes, but wouldn't reading the manual in the first place have helped them to not get the error? |
| 15:36:29 | Llorean | Asking the user to read the manual as part of the error message creates an image that you feel the users may not be intelligent enough to think of doing that themselves. |
| 15:36:52 | Llorean | I'd rather respect the average user and deal with the occasional one who doesn't than have a message like that which seems on average, disrespectful to the larger group |
| 15:37:08 | Llorean | lachlan_: You can read the manual and still make a mistake, rather easily |
| 15:37:30 | Llorean | But the point is primarily an issue of tone |
| 15:38:20 | lachlan_ | but if you apply the message only to basic mistakes which could be avoided by readi the manual...? |
| 15:38:38 | Llorean | Which is *all* of them except Data Abort and Illegal Instructions |
| 15:38:51 | Llorean | Both of which are only caused by errors in the software |
| 15:39:00 | lachlan_ | I see your point, and maybe the 'read the manual' messages could only be applied to errors in a way that your average 'intelligent' user simply won't encounter them |
| 15:39:17 | Llorean | How would you suggest doing that? |
| 15:40:52 | lachlan_ | I don't know the ins and outs of Rockbox very well, but I would say your average 'intelligent' user would have no trouble at all working doom. Therefore your average 'unintelligent' user would be the only one that sees the 'read the manual' message. Seeming condescending to a user such as this is not really concerning. |
| 15:42:18 | Llorean | I'd rather not seem condescending to anyone, it discourages use of the software. But you're back to arbitrarily deciding which errors are "simple" and which aren't. |
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| 15:43:14 | lachlan_ | Why is being told to read the manual in a doom error message different to being told to the read the manual by you when they inevitabley come into the IRC channel looking for answers? |
| 15:44:05 | Llorean | Because most of the people who see that message *will* read the manual, *without* asking me. |
| 15:44:14 | Llorean | And without having to have a piece of software tell them to do something they already knew to do. |
| 15:44:51 | Llorean | That's the thing: They install Rockbox, and Rockbox "includes" Doom, so it's reasonable to assume that Doom will work once Rockbox is installed, without further steps. |
| 15:44:58 | Llorean | When it doesn't, the intelligent user will look up Doom in the manual |
| 15:45:17 | Llorean | I wouldn't expect the majority to look up Doom before it failing to work, because they expect the "everything is included" aspect of Rockbox to extend to it. |
| 15:45:19 | lachlan_ | Maybe if your phrased in nicely. "You were probably going to read it already, but incase you didn't know, Rockbox has a great manual that addresses this very issue". Obviously to verbose, but along those lines. |
| 15:45:37 | Domonoky | hm, a button for downloading and installing the free doom files in rbutil would be nice :-) |
| 15:45:39 | lachlan_ | s/in/it |
| 15:45:53 | Llorean | I think the best solution would to be to add some further notes to the portion of the manual that explains the Extras for Fonts to go on to say that Doom won't work without th extras package for Doom |
| 15:46:03 | lachlan_ | Domonoky: indeed it would. Perhaps you could impliment it. |
| 15:46:26 | Domonoky | if i find the time, i will, thats a really small feature.. :-) |
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| 15:46:51 | lachlan_ | Domonoky: I was about to say, that should be fairly easy to add |
| 15:46:51 | Llorean | Domonoky: Yeah, the extras package is all you need, extracted straight to the device, it has the folder structure properly, much like the fonts one, if I recall. |
| 15:47:22 | Domonoky | jeah, its the same as font installing, so only a new button, and some glue is needed.. |
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| 15:48:18 | lachlan_ | Domonoky: Do you plan on making Ubuntu/Linux binaries, or is that a job for another man? |
| 15:49:56 | Domonoky | lachlan_: i tried to build linux binarys, but there were some problems about depencies, and i dont know too much about linux binarys, and depencies.. :-) |
| 15:50:13 | Domonoky | so its probably a job for another man :-) |
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| 15:51:07 | lachlan_ | I remember GodEater had a swipe at it a while ago and stalled in the same manner |
| 15:51:15 | desowin | obo: thanks for patch! You rock man! |
| 15:51:45 | obo | you're welcome :) |
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| 15:52:41 | Domonoky | the problem with the depencies is that you need wx2.8 for rbutil, and thats not aviable as a package for most distros, so someone has to try to build a static binary :-) |
| 15:53:30 | lachlan_ | is that a difficult task, or are there simply not enough motivated people? |
| 15:54:12 | obo | Domonoky: is it possible to add −−version 2.8 to the wx-config calls in the makefile? |
| 15:55:04 | Domonoky | there arent many people involved in rbutil, so its a lack of time and people :-) |
| 15:55:52 | Domonoky | obo: sure its possible, but i dont know what this switch does :-) |
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| 15:56:27 | lachlan_ | I'm off to bed, goodnight all |
| 15:56:29 | linuxstb | lachlan_: I think the problem is also the dependencies statically linking wx generates - i.e. wx itself also depends on lots of external libs. It's chaos... |
| 15:56:31 | obo | it forces wx-config to return 2.8 paths if more than one version are installed on a system - my machine has both 2.6 and 2.8 packages |
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| 15:57:28 | desowin | obo: anyway, the multiple delete isn't in win32 binary, it was introduced after 0.4 |
| 15:57:28 | olle_ | hello hello |
| 15:57:33 | olle_ | anyone of you are involved in developing for newer irivers? |
| 15:57:55 | obo | desowin: ah, that would explain it |
| 15:58:04 | linuxstb | olle_: Which irivers are you referring to? |
| 15:58:25 | olle_ | IFP series. at IfpCrypt Analysis in thw wiki, there seems like there's no progress |
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| 15:59:13 | linuxstb | olle_: The iFP port is basically a one-man job. |
| 15:59:34 | Domonoky | obo: i added it in my local copy, and will commit it, when i have a bit more changes :-) |
| 15:59:37 | olle_ | yeah i know, thats a bit sad |
| 15:59:58 | obo | thanks Domonoky |
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| 16:00:22 | olle_ | it just seemd like the ppl who succeeded to patch the firmware knows newer facts than in the wiki |
| 16:00:39 | olle_ | maybe i should drop them a mail |
| 16:01:19 | linuxstb | That's probably the best way to contact him - he's very rarely in IRC. |
| 16:01:44 | olle_ | youre talking about Tomek? |
| 16:02:14 | Siltaar | linuxstb, Llorean, I just tested with a beep.mp3 and the talk file function, its exactly what I needed :-) (ok users will have to install special sounds files to have a speaking sudoku, but it clear all the problems) |
| 16:02:24 | olle_ | he seems to be the active IFP developer |
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| 16:02:43 | linuxstb | olle_: Yes. |
| 16:04:01 | linuxstb | Siltaar: Which device are you developing on? (are you aware of the differences between "hwcodec" and "swcodec" devices in Rockbox?) |
| 16:05:02 | Siltaar | no, I'm not |
| 16:05:12 | Siltaar | but I'm curious ? |
| 16:05:17 | Siltaar | is it wrote somewhere ? |
| 16:05:24 | olle_ | hardware codec VS software codec? |
| 16:05:34 | Siltaar | sound like this |
| 16:06:27 | Siltaar | I currently use the rockboxui, and will certainly have to make it work on Sansa (will be bought by my labo) |
| 16:08:13 | olle_ | damn , im kind of angry, cos i had a draft of half of the source code for my program on a piece of paper, but i forgot it at school |
| 16:10:21 | markun | olle_: what kind of program? |
| 16:11:44 | olle_ | in absense of the e.t. knowledge of Tomek, i will try to analyze the firmware's (assumed) checksums and compare it to my own calculated ones from the decoded file to get a key |
| 16:12:26 | olle_ | to later make a complete encoder/decoder for the IFP/E/U/clix series |
| 16:12:42 | markun | ah, I thought it was already quite complete |
| 16:12:54 | olle_ | no unfortunatley not |
| 16:14:20 | markun | also, it looks like the clix firmware is not decoded correctly |
| 16:14:29 | olle_ | really? |
| 16:14:37 | olle_ | thats bad news |
| 16:14:42 | olle_ | for the future |
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| 16:15:15 | markun | at least I can't see any strings like in the other firmwares (U10, T10/20/30, E10) |
| 16:15:40 | olle_ | in the very beggining there must be a string "Clix " or somethg |
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| 16:16:18 | markun | doesn't work for the S10 neither |
| 16:16:28 | olle_ | E10's has a lot of strings, but not as many as you couild excpect, maybe the UI strings are encrypted once more |
| 16:16:41 | olle_ | what program are you using really? |
| 16:16:52 | markun | ifp_decode |
| 16:17:04 | olle_ | ohkay, same as me |
| 16:17:28 | olle_ | using " -f 2files" ? try that |
| 16:17:55 | markun | ah, ok |
| 16:19:51 | markun | kkurbjun: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10534.0 |
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| 16:22:21 | linuxstb | Siltaar: (sorry, I was taken away...) "hwcodec" refers to the older Archos devices Rockbox supports - they have a relatively slow CPU and a hardware MP3 decoding chip. "swcodec" refers to all other devices (iriver, cowon, ipods, sansa etc) where they have a relatively fast CPU which does all the audio decoding, and the uncompressed PCM data is sent to the DAC. |
| 16:23:42 | kkurbjun | markun, a new bootloader build might help him, there were some fixes done to the USB/ATA stuff after that latest bootloader |
| 16:23:54 | kkurbjun | does this happen on your player also? |
| 16:24:09 | markun | didn't try it |
| 16:24:16 | markun | but thought you would be interested |
| 16:24:30 | Siltaar | linuxstb: it implies some problems using talk_file function ? (depending on the device ?) |
| 16:25:03 | kkurbjun | it shouldn't be any different then connecting from the main build |
| 16:26:20 | linuxstb | Siltaar: I don't know very much about the talk functions, but I would expect there to be at least some subtle differences between hwcodec and swcodec. Hopefully someone who does will be along soon... |
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| 16:41:41 | amiconn | linuxstb, Siltaar: talk_file should work on all targets regardless |
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| 16:43:02 | linuxstb | amiconn: What about the issue of stopping playback? (is it an issue?) sudoku doesn't normally require it. |
| 16:43:48 | linuxstb | amiconn: (I don't know if you're read the logs, but Siltaar is working on a talking sudoku) |
| 16:46:58 | pixelma | I _guess_ it just wouldn't talk while music is playing (like the menus...) |
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| 16:48:57 | michaelho | Hi all, I seem to have a problem installing rockbox to my ipod video |
| 16:49:51 | michaelho | after i installed the bootload the ipod freezes at the apple screen and it wont connect with the computer |
| 16:49:55 | michaelho | anyone care to help me out? |
| 16:50:53 | Siltaar | (sorry haven't an iPod) |
| 16:51:16 | Siltaar | (don't loose hop) |
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| 16:52:25 | Llorean | michaelho: Did you install Rockbox itself, or just the bootloader? |
| 16:52:33 | linuxstb | michaelho: Did you actually install Rockbox? i.e. download rockbox.zip and extract the contents to your ipod..... |
| 16:52:33 | michaelho | just the bootloader |
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| 16:52:50 | michaelho | the thing is, i cannot get access to the ipod now |
| 16:52:53 | linuxstb | michaelho: Out of curiousity, which instructions are you following? |
| 16:53:04 | michaelho | when i link it via usb nothing shows |
| 16:53:13 | michaelho | following the manual i downloaded from rockbox site |
| 16:53:16 | habuntu | Hi all |
| 16:53:47 | Llorean | michaelho: Okay, then why didn't you follow the instructions as they were written in the manual? Is there some way we can make it more clear that you need to do all of the steps? |
| 16:53:50 | amiconn | linuxstb: pixelma guesses correctly, it just wouldn't talk on hwcodec while music is playing |
| 16:54:15 | michaelho | i thought i did follow them correctly |
| 16:54:24 | Llorean | michaelho: As for your current problem, if you hold Menu+Select to reboot, then turn on the hold switch immediately, it should go into the Apple firmware and you can finish from there |
| 16:54:25 | habuntu | for sansa dev hackers, i may have discovered a bug with rockboy functions. |
| 16:54:29 | Llorean | michaelho: You skipped an entire full section of the manual |
| 16:54:47 | michaelho | installation |
| 16:54:50 | habuntu | cant save/load anymore |
| 16:54:52 | michaelho | 2.1 prerequisities |
| 16:55:00 | Llorean | michaelho: You skipped 2.2.3.  Installing the firmware |
| 16:56:11 | michaelho | damn.....i see it now |
| 16:56:22 | michaelho | Llorean is my ipod now totally broken? |
| 16:56:29 | Llorean | michaelho: I already told you what you needed to do. |
| 16:56:33 | Llorean | michaelho: As for your current problem, if you hold Menu+Select to reboot, then turn on the hold switch immediately, it should go into the Apple firmware and you can finish from there |
| 16:56:52 | linuxstb | michaelho: Seriously, if you can suggest how we can improve the manual, please do. I'm not sure how we can make it clearer... |
| 16:57:15 | michaelho | maybe break up that section a bit more |
| 16:57:21 | linuxstb | Which section? |
| 16:57:35 | michaelho | 2.2.2 |
| 16:57:38 | Llorean | Yeah, I'd thought a section entitled "Installing the firmware" would be fairly clearly a step you want to do when you want to install the firmware. |
| 16:58:02 | Llorean | Isn't 2.2.2 just "choosing a Rockbox version"? |
| 16:58:07 | michaelho | After downloading the Rockbox package connect your player to the computer |
| 16:58:10 | michaelho | this section |
| 16:58:20 | linuxstb | michaelho: I agree 2.2.2 is long, which is why 2.2.3 is now separate (it used to be part of 2.2.2 as well). |
| 16:58:25 | michaelho | add a subtitle here so people know this is the iimportant step |
| 16:58:38 | michaelho | but yes, tbh its my fault for not reading it all |
| 16:58:45 | michaelho | i am kind of impatient |
| 16:58:51 | Llorean | michaelho: Is "2.2.3.  Installing the firmware" not a subtitle? |
| 16:59:14 | michaelho | yes, but i think steps for installation from beginning to end should short steps |
| 16:59:16 | linuxstb | All the steps are important, which is why they're there. I guess people don't realise that. |
| 16:59:53 | Llorean | So, it's not really a solvable problem, since it seems to be 'people don't want to read that much' vs our 'people need to know at least this much' |
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| 17:00:05 | michaelho | the text above 'After downloading the Rockbox package connect your player to the computer via' |
| 17:00:10 | michaelho | seems to be just description |
| 17:00:22 | Llorean | michaelho: Where in the manual does it say "After downloading the Rockbox package" exactly? |
| 17:00:28 | Llorean | What section, as I'm not seeing it in the one I'm looking at. |
| 17:00:36 | michaelho | page 12 |
| 17:00:52 | michaelho | 4th paragraph |
| 17:01:02 | linuxstb | What's the section number? (I'm browsing the HTML) |
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| 17:01:14 | michaelho | 2.2.2 |
| 17:01:26 | michaelho | after archieved build |
| 17:01:27 | Llorean | michaelho: What's the date on the .pdf file you have? |
| 17:01:28 | michaelho | after note |
| 17:01:34 | Llorean | You're using an outdated manua |
| 17:01:35 | Llorean | manual |
| 17:01:42 | michaelho | may 2007 |
| 17:01:46 | michaelho | may 5 |
| 17:01:53 | Llorean | Yes, that's 11 days old |
| 17:02:06 | michaelho | ok |
| 17:02:11 | Llorean | The installation section has been changed for clarity since then |
| 17:02:16 | michaelho | ah right |
| 17:02:18 | michaelho | ok thanks |
| 17:02:25 | michaelho | ill get that one and start again |
| 17:02:35 | bluebrother | michaelho, out of curiousity: where did you get the manual? From rockbox.org? |
| 17:02:56 | michaelho | yes |
| 17:03:04 | Llorean | Did you download it 11 days ago then? |
| 17:03:17 | michaelho | i must have, i didn't download it today |
| 17:03:30 | michaelho | ok i have may 16 now |
| 17:03:48 | * | bluebrother wonders how many outdated manual downloads are around in the internet |
| 17:04:10 | Llorean | bluebrother: Probably not too many |
| 17:04:15 | michaelho | thanks for your help Llorean |
| 17:04:21 | Llorean | People who tend to host their own copies to share often create their own "tutorial" |
| 17:04:33 | michaelho | i should have read it more closely |
| 17:05:02 | Llorean | michaelho: You should never, ever install anything referred to as "firmware" without very very carefully reading the instructions |
| 17:05:17 | Llorean | Though iPods are fortunately pretty safe, many devices can be permanently disabled by an improper firmware install. |
| 17:05:37 | linuxstb | michaelho: Don't take it too personally, it's a common error - which is why the manual was improved. It's just unfortunate you used a slightly old version of the manual without the clarification. |
| 17:05:59 | michaelho | i'm usually quite good with instructions but i think this maybe i read over it too fast |
| 17:06:10 | michaelho | because i didn't see that bit that i highlighted above |
| 17:06:22 | michaelho | the 1st set of instructions i saw was the bootloader bit |
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| 17:17:30 | Siltaar | hum... for-cultur question |
| 17:17:53 | Siltaar | there are some chars, ints and shorts in the Sudoku plugin |
| 17:18:03 | michaelho | im installing the fonts package now |
| 17:18:25 | Siltaar | the regarding to the encoded values, everything could be encoded in chars |
| 17:18:29 | michaelho | is that dragging the rockbox folder in the fonts zip file to the player directly and overwriting any necessary files? |
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| 17:19:19 | Siltaar | is there any policy about the choice of type ? is really a visible gain of performance using shorts and not ints ? |
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| 17:20:44 | linuxstb | Siltaar: Generally, ints are prefered, as that's the type the CPU works best with. Only if you have a lot of them should you use chars or shorts. Also be aware that for portability, you should specify "signed char" or "unsigned char" explicitly if you're using them to store numbers. |
| 17:21:06 | linuxstb | (numbers < 0 or numbers > 127) |
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| 17:22:31 | Siltaar | ok, so I will pass the two editmode and (new) talkmode in unsigned chars... |
| 17:22:57 | Siltaar | also the table of possibilities |
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| 17:26:48 | linuxstb | michaelho: Dragging should work, but the suggested method is to use the "extract to" option in your unzipping program, and select your ipod's disk as the destination. |
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| 17:47:09 | pearldiver | hm |
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| 17:47:38 | pearldiver | any idea why am i seeing the default wps instead of any custom ones when with the current build? |
| 17:47:42 | pearldiver | gigabeat target |
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| 17:53:57 | linuxstb | pearldiver: Are your WPSs compliant? The parser is very strict now and rejects invalid WPSs. |
| 17:54:11 | pearldiver | im looking at it right now |
| 17:54:18 | pearldiver | some of them still work |
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| 17:58:59 | Nico_P | pearldiver: album art tags in an official build can cause the problem, you should comment them out |
| 17:59:17 | Nico_P | pearldiver: otherwise it can be because of irregular conditionals |
| 17:59:38 | pearldiver | Nico_P yeah, i was just commenting them out as you typed that :P |
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| 18:00:08 | pearldiver | does it mean we can say byebye to the aa patch? |
| 18:00:30 | Nico_P | no, because the AA patch will make AA tags be recognized correctly |
| 18:00:42 | pearldiver | ahh i see |
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| 18:01:31 | Nico_P | the problem comes from the fact that the AA tags uses '|' chars and these aren't allowed outside a conditional or some special tags... in a regular build the AA tag isn't recognised as one of these |
| 18:01:54 | pearldiver | i see that aa patch wasnt updated in a while |
| 18:02:12 | pearldiver | do you have an idea if its synced Nico_P? |
| 18:02:34 | Nico_P | I'm not maintaining it anymore... there are a lot of people who know how to and I can't make it any better until I do MoB |
| 18:02:48 | Nico_P | so I'm focusing on more important things |
| 18:02:51 | linuxstb | Nico_P: What happens with RTC tags on a target without RTC? Are they ignored silently, or do they mean the WPS is rejected? |
| 18:03:18 | Nico_P | linuxstb: they get ignored silently because they don't contain any special chars |
| 18:03:39 | Nico_P | the debugwps output will show them as "unknown tag" |
| 18:04:09 | linuxstb | Ah, OK. |
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| 18:17:42 | XavierGr | damn I forgot and top-posted :( |
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| 18:26:15 | michaelho | hi all, i downloaded a theme from rockbox theme site, extracted the dir to the rockbox folder and then selected the theme in browse theme section of rockbox |
| 18:26:41 | michaelho | however my screen looks nothing like the screen shot on the theme site |
| 18:26:57 | michaelho | how do i apply the theme? |
| 18:28:00 | linuxstb | Which theme? |
| 18:28:17 | michaelho | ajant orange |
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| 18:29:04 | michaelho | for ipod video |
| 18:29:17 | linuxstb | How is your ipod different to that theme? Is the background image there? Does the text font look different? |
| 18:29:30 | linuxstb | i.e. exactly what are the differences? |
| 18:29:31 | pearldiver | ah AA patch still works, good |
| 18:29:53 | michaelho | the batery symbol |
| 18:29:54 | michaelho | the time |
| 18:30:05 | michaelho | font |
| 18:30:10 | michaelho | peak bar thingy |
| 18:30:24 | michaelho | the one on my screen looks very very basic |
| 18:30:48 | michaelho | and yes background is different too |
| 18:31:09 | linuxstb | Are you sure all the files are in the right place? e.g. in the .rockbox folder on your ipod, you should have a wps folder, and in that folder, an "Ajant Orange" folder containing lots of bmp files. |
| 18:31:44 | linuxstb | In .rockbox/backdrops/ you should have an "Ajant Orange.bmp" file... |
| 18:31:54 | michaelho | i basically dragged the rockbox folder from the zip file to my ipod root folder |
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| 18:32:27 | michaelho | that should put them in the right places? |
| 18:32:48 | linuxstb | Did your screen change at all when you selected the theme in Browse Themes? |
| 18:32:54 | michaelho | yeh |
| 18:32:58 | michaelho | orange background |
| 18:33:02 | michaelho | font changes |
| 18:33:30 | linuxstb | Do you have the files I listed? |
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| 18:35:06 | linuxstb | toffe82: markun told me that you did some power measurements with the lcd poweroff enabled/disabled (the debug menu option). Can you remember the details of your results? |
| 18:35:16 | linuxstb | markun said it made no difference... |
| 18:35:28 | toffe82 | it is on the wiki |
| 18:35:56 | toffe82 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/GigabeatInfo?rev=2;filename=Power.html |
| 18:36:31 | jacob | Is there a way to drag and drop music directly to an ipod and play it? If so, what directory should I drag it to? |
| 18:36:40 | michaelho | linuxstb yes all the bmps are there |
| 18:38:48 | linuxstb | toffe82: Thanks. What do "lcd on", "lcd half off" and "lcd off" mean in those tests? |
| 18:39:07 | badsheepy | only in rockbox jacob, and then you can put it anywhere you like on the device |
| 18:39:14 | linuxstb | jacob: You can drag music anywhere you want - most people use some variation of "Artist/Album/track.mp3" organisation. |
| 18:39:47 | linuxstb | michaelho: Then I'm not sure what the problem is. Do other themes work for you? |
| 18:40:00 | jacob | you mean in the /.rockbox directory? |
| 18:40:04 | michaelho | i tried ajant blue |
| 18:40:08 | michaelho | and it was same result |
| 18:40:13 | badsheepy | no anywhere on the device you like |
| 18:40:22 | jacob | awesome, thanks! |
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| 18:43:40 | toffe82 | linuxstb: lcd on is with the default setting of brightness, off is when the backlight goes off, and half is a setting which is by default on the original firmware (it doesn't go black while listening, just half if I remember) |
| 18:44:16 | linuxstb | OK, so it just means "backlight on", "backlight half-off" and "backlight off" ? |
| 18:44:26 | toffe82 | yes |
| 18:44:49 | pearldiver | theres a setting for half-off now? |
| 18:45:18 | toffe82 | linuxstb: I can redo it if you want to see something else, if I have some times;) |
| 18:45:18 | linuxstb | toffe82: markun was referring to the extra lcd poweroff code (gwhite added it, it's enabled by an option in the debug menu) to toggle bit 1 of LCDCON1 on and off. |
| 18:45:34 | linuxstb | The code is in the lcd driver, but is disabled by default... |
| 18:45:56 | michaelho | i have read about a patch for applying themes to the ipod video |
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| 18:46:24 | michaelho | i haven't applied any patches, could this be the problem? |
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| 18:47:01 | toffe82 | linuxstb: I remember , I didn't mentioned it becaus it was more or less the same, there was no difference, but I can recheck |
| 18:47:08 | linuxstb | michaelho: Maybe the ajant themes just don't work with current Rockbox any more. The WPS parser has become stricter recently, so some old (and not 100% perfect) WPSs are now rejected. |
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| 18:47:50 | linuxstb | toffe82: Yes, that's the check I'm interested in. I'm trying to clean up the code, and if that experiment didn't improve anything, maybe it should be removed. |
| 18:48:32 | linuxstb | markun also mentioned something about it causing problems with the remote... |
| 18:49:43 | toffe82 | linuxstb: I try to do it but can't say you when, hope before the end of the week. I don't remeber about the remote |
| 18:51:27 | linuxstb | OK, thanks. It could be interesting to see if Rockbox has changed in the last few months. |
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| 18:51:49 | michaelho | all the themes i have triedseem to have the same problem |
| 18:52:08 | michaelho | they all look the same except the colour of their background |
| 18:52:21 | linuxstb | What about the themes that come with Rockbox - e.g. iCatcher ? |
| 18:52:53 | michaelho | that one seem to work |
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| 18:53:28 | linuxstb | You need to make sure you only download themes that say "Any Recent Daily Build" underneath them - unless you install whatever unofficial version of Rockbox the theme demands. |
| 18:53:38 | linuxstb | But I need to go, good luck. |
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| 18:53:57 | michaelho | the ajant orange says recent daily build |
| 18:54:16 | jaco1 | Hi, awhile ago I asked about draging and droping in Rockbox. I tried dragging onto the iPod, but no luck. The music wasn't found when I selected database in the menu. Am I doing something wrong? |
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| 18:55:19 | michaelho | jaco1 did you check under files? |
| 18:57:21 | jaco1 | All that's there is calender, notes and stuff like that |
| 18:57:25 | michaelho | can someone with a 5th Gen ipod try the ajant orange theme and tell me if it works or not please |
| 18:57:38 | michaelho | where did you drag ur music into? |
| 18:57:52 | jaco1 | /.rockbox |
| 18:58:08 | michaelho | where it has calender etc. |
| 18:58:13 | michaelho | create a folder called MUSIC |
| 18:58:17 | michaelho | and put all ur music in there |
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| 18:59:42 | aldo | Hi There |
| 18:59:44 | jaco1 | Hey that worked, thanks |
| 18:59:48 | michaelho | ok |
| 18:59:53 | michaelho | which ipod do u have? |
| 18:59:55 | jaco1 | Where do I get the theme? Mines 5th gen |
| 18:59:59 | michaelho | ok cool |
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| 19:00:04 | michaelho | u can help me check if the theme works or not |
| 19:00:12 | michaelho | goto rockbox website |
| 19:00:22 | michaelho | and click on the link 'extras' |
| 19:00:41 | michaelho | http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=320x240x16 |
| 19:00:44 | michaelho | just go here |
| 19:01:14 | jaco1 | I'll try it soon, what time will you be on today? |
| 19:01:16 | michaelho | download a theme you like |
| 19:01:53 | Domonoky | you could also try rbutil for installing themes :-) |
| 19:02:06 | jaco1 | thnx, i have to go now, bye! |
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| 19:03:08 | michaelho | rockbox utility is available for osx? |
| 19:03:25 | michaelho | it says it on on the site but then in the download box it says n/a |
| 19:03:45 | Domonoky | at the bottom of the page is a .dmg file.. |
| 19:03:58 | Domonoky | but its not the newest version, but it should work.. |
| 19:04:05 | michaelho | thanks |
| 19:06:13 | mcuelenaere | is there anyone here who wants to help me testing a plugin I made ? |
| 19:07:41 | michaelho | hmmm the ajant orange theme still doesnt work |
| 19:07:42 | michaelho | :s |
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| 19:24:31 | * | Domonoky needs someone with graphical skills, i need a new button pic for rbutil ( Doom installation) |
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| 19:26:27 | leftright | what is the shuffling algorithum that RBox uses ? please. |
| 19:28:23 | leftright | it has a fancy name, amiconn ? |
| 19:29:22 | Domonoky | afaik for random rockbox uses the "mersenne twister" but for the shuffel, i dont know :-) |
| 19:30:21 | leftright | thanks, i wan to read up about it, for I am not sure if shuffle is shuffling :-) |
| 19:31:35 | Llorean | Um, what do you mean by it not shuffling? |
| 19:31:57 | leftright | when I create large playlists, >80 tracks, I get two songs form the same album consective, so I'm wondering if this is intended behaviour |
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| 19:32:11 | Llorean | Frequently? |
| 19:32:15 | leftright | yes |
| 19:32:20 | Llorean | I mean statistically speaking, this is entirely possible. |
| 19:32:26 | Llorean | It has never, ever happened to me though |
| 19:32:31 | Llorean | But there's nothing to prevent it. |
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| 19:33:06 | leftright | uhuh, it just seems stange to get two of a kind in a shuffled list |
| 19:33:12 | Llorean | Why? |
| 19:33:19 | leftright | especially a large list |
| 19:33:22 | Llorean | It's just unlikely, but for a true shuffle, it's not nearly impossible. |
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| 19:34:31 | leftright | I honestly dont expect that, but if that's the intended behaviour then it is what it is |
| 19:34:40 | mho | Did the recent build affect the themes a great deal? |
| 19:34:47 | Llorean | Well, what do you mean by intended behaviour? |
| 19:35:06 | Llorean | It's intended that a shuffle is a random reorganization of the song list, which would allow the possibility for some to end up sequential. |
| 19:35:22 | Llorean | Do you expect shuffle to force sequential songs to be separated if they happen? |
| 19:35:49 | leftright | I dont expect two songs concecutively from the same album in a large playlist when shuffled |
| 19:36:07 | Llorean | Yes, but what do you mean by "don't expect"? |
| 19:36:14 | Llorean | Do you mean that you expect it to be impossible, or just unlikely? |
| 19:36:47 | pixelma | Soap: hopefully you are around... if you have some time, could you answer me some questions about colinux? |
| 19:36:52 | leftright | err, do you know what the name of the shuffle algorithim is ? |
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| 19:37:38 | Llorean | No, I do not, or I would've answered when you first asked it. |
| 19:37:51 | leftright | jolly good |
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| 19:38:01 | Llorean | But do you expect it to be impossible or merely unlikely? |
| 19:39:10 | leftright | thats why I want to know what the intended behaviour of the algorithim is, I woouldn't expect that type of shuffling in large playlists |
| 19:39:28 | Llorean | I'm trying to figure out what you mean, but you keep avoiding the question |
| 19:39:34 | Llorean | What *exactly* do you mean by "wouldn't expect" |
| 19:39:38 | Llorean | That suggests to me that it surprised you. |
| 19:39:41 | Llorean | But I got that already |
| 19:39:43 | Llorean | What DO you expect? |
| 19:41:02 | leftright | to me, shuffle means I shouldn't hear two from the same album consecutive, thats my interpretation of it, but let me stress that I want to find out the intended behaviour of the algorithim |
| 19:41:17 | Llorean | Shuffle means "randomized order" |
| 19:41:32 | Llorean | Like shuffling a deck of cards, or any other thing. |
| 19:41:49 | leftright | so two from the same album consecutively is Random ? |
| 19:42:00 | Llorean | Why wouldn't it be? |
| 19:42:16 | Domonoky | i need a pic for the doom installing button for rbutil, paint on this pic : domonoky/default.bmp">http://www.b23.org/~domonoky/default.bmp |
| 19:42:36 | leftright | yes youre totally right 100% correct, completely, |
| 19:43:03 | Llorean | leftright: If it's truly random, there is possibility that sequential songs could happen. If it prevented sequential songs it would no longer be random. |
| 19:43:32 | leftright | thats your logic, and i dont agree |
| 19:43:47 | Llorean | How can you disagree? |
| 19:43:52 | Llorean | Random has a set definition. |
| 19:44:39 | Llorean | A random shuffle means that any as you're generating the list, any song not yet in the list has an equal probability of being chosen as the next entry |
| 19:44:49 | Llorean | This includes the song that actually is sequentially next from that album |
| 19:44:57 | leftright | yes you're right, 100%,can we stop this pleae, all I want is the name of the algorithim |
| 19:45:00 | Llorean | If you prevent that song being chosen, it is no longer matching the mathematical definition of random |
| 19:45:21 | leftright | I KNOW tyhe meaning of random, thank you |
| 19:45:33 | pixelma | mho: are you the one with problems regarding the ajant theme? Had a quick look at the "code" and it has at least two mistakes in the code that makes parsing fail now, so that rockbox falls back to the default (a while ago rockbox was more tolerant and the theme seemed to work, that's why noone noticed) |
| 19:45:46 | Llorean | leftright: Then how do you think that preventing equal distribution is still truly random? |
| 19:46:14 | leftright | maybe the info in on the wiki ? |
| 19:46:31 | leftright | thanks later |
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| 19:46:56 | * | Llorean laments the fact that people aren't forced to take a class in statistics. |
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| 19:47:34 | Llorean | A true random shuffle could give you the exact same playlist back every single time over 100 reshuffles and still be working fine. =/ |
| 19:48:31 | Domonoky | Llorean: if you get this on your player, you schould be playing lotto :-) |
| 19:48:42 | Llorean | Indeed. |
| 19:48:52 | Llorean | If it ever happens, even once, that very same day I'm going out for lotto tickets. :-P |
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| 19:52:22 | pixelma | Domonoky: how do the other buttons look like? And would it be allowed to use a standard doom icon? |
| 19:53:03 | Domonoky | i will upload a few other button pics.. |
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| 19:55:41 | Domonoky | other button pics: domonoky/tools2_3d.bmp">http://b23.org/~domonoky/tools2_3d.bmp http://b23.org/~domonoky/themes_3d.bmp http://b23.org/~domonoky/install_3d.bmp |
| 19:56:26 | Domonoky | and the new doom button shouldnt be too different, but do as you like :-) |
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| 19:58:16 | * | linuxstb reads the logs and would expect a shuffled playlist of only 80 tracks to produce consecutive tracks from the same album almost always |
| 19:58:39 | Llorean | I'd expect it at least moderately often, yes. |
| 19:58:46 | Llorean | 80 isn't really that long. |
| 19:58:52 | linuxstb | It's only 8 albums of 10 tracks... |
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| 20:02:22 | pixelma | Domonoky: any reason for the bmps being 8-bit? |
| 20:02:40 | Domonoky | i just converted them.. |
| 20:02:46 | pixelma | (or at least the default is) |
| 20:03:00 | Domonoky | they are in xpm format in rbutil, but i can convert.. |
| 20:03:15 | Domonoky | the theme one is 24 bit.. |
| 20:03:34 | pixelma | ok - so I don't have to care |
| 20:03:45 | Domonoky | yes. |
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| 20:15:55 | mho | hi, can someone tell me the date in which the build started affecting themes? |
| 20:16:46 | Llorean | What do you mean? |
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| 20:17:02 | Llorean | The change that prevents broken themes from loading is in the changelog. |
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| 20:17:40 | mho | Llorean you said that the coding for themes is more pricky now, and therefore some themes no longer work |
| 20:17:58 | Llorean | The coding isn't changed. |
| 20:17:58 | mho | i really like the ajant orange theme and want to use an older build so that i can use that theme |
| 20:18:09 | mho | Just wondering which build it is that i should get |
| 20:18:09 | Llorean | Rockbox just refuses to load themes that had errors, where before it would load them. |
| 20:18:17 | mho | ah right |
| 20:18:36 | mho | i basically have the same problem as this person |
| 20:18:37 | mho | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10403.0 |
| 20:18:53 | mho | however they manage to fix their problem by reinstalling rockbox |
| 20:18:57 | Llorean | Basically, the proper solution is to fix the theme. |
| 20:19:06 | mho | ive tried this many times but there is no change |
| 20:20:13 | Llorean | If the problem is actually the theme, reinstalling Rockbox won't fix it. |
| 20:20:17 | linuxstb | mho: You could edit the .wps file and fix the problem there. |
| 20:20:36 | linuxstb | .wps files are just plain text files - the CustomWPS wiki page explains the formatting codes |
| 20:20:49 | mho | i'm a real noob, i doubt i will be able to do it, only started using rockbox today |
| 20:21:14 | linuxstb | Nobody is born understanding Rockbox .wps files... |
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| 20:22:56 | pixelma | mho: I told you something about this before - I've found at least 2 errors in the code that make the parsing fail after a quick glance. |
| 20:23:04 | pixelma | Domonoky: could I try DCC send or should I upload it |
| 20:23:29 | Domonoky | pixelma: i think dcc doesnt work, so you have to upload, or email.. |
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| 20:24:10 | pixelma | ok |
| 20:24:34 | mho | pixelma yes i understand that the theme doesnt work with the current build because of errors, however I was just wondering if i could use it with an older build? |
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| 20:26:20 | pixelma | Domonoky: pm |
| 20:26:24 | Llorean | mho: It'd be better to just fix the theme, or you're going to be stuck using an outdated Rockbox build. |
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| 20:28:07 | mho | Llorean am trying to find the custom wps wiki page, would you have a link to it? |
| 20:28:28 | pixelma | mho: it would be, but you could also open up the .wps file in text editor and fix it - if you want to, I could tell you the two things I saw - not sure if that's all, parts of it are quite confusing and there's on tag in it I don't understand at all |
| 20:28:45 | linuxstb | Nico_P: How self-contained is the WPS parser? I'm wondering if some makefile magic could create a verbose wps validator. Such a validator could even be added to rockbox-themes.org.... |
| 20:29:24 | linuxstb | (I'm talking about a standalone executable) |
| 20:29:35 | mho | pixelma, please tell me what you saw, id really appreciate it |
| 20:30:18 | pixelma | do you have the file open in an editor? |
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| 20:31:29 | Llorean | linuxstb: From the sound of it, it sounded like parsing could be split semi-readily when there was discussion of pre-parsed files, but I'm not sure if any of the talk came from Nico_P himself in that discussion so I could be wrong |
| 20:32:00 | mho | pixelma yes |
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| 20:33:07 | Javacat_ | Hey! I've just got an X5 and want to install rockbox on it, but there are two firmwares (X5 and X5V), anyone know the difference? |
| 20:33:16 | Javacat_ | Mines the 60GB X5 |
| 20:33:28 | Javacat_ | *Cowon iAudio |
| 20:34:35 | Javacat_ | bah, think it's just X5 |
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| 20:34:57 | pixelma | mho: anything against pm - don't want to clutter up the channel (and logs) with it |
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| 20:35:32 | mho | pm'd |
| 20:36:09 | Llorean | Javacat_: Yes, the X5V firmware is for players specifically of the X5V type. you want the normal X5 |
| 20:36:30 | Javacat_ | Thanks |
| 20:36:39 | Javacat_ | out of interest, do you happen to know the difference? |
| 20:37:03 | Llorean | No clue |
| 20:37:12 | crwl | X5V didn't have a radio, IIRC |
| 20:37:58 | Llorean | I was thinking that might be it |
| 20:38:20 | Llorean | But there's so many with/without Radio variants of players I can't remember which ones got a special name and which didn't |
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| 20:42:34 | Javacat_ | w00t, rockbox is flashed and installed on it |
| 20:43:35 | simmel | My X5L is loving rockbox FYI =P |
| 20:44:39 | Javacat_ | does the radio in rockbox automatically adjust the frequency to get the best signal? |
| 20:44:44 | Javacat_ | (like a car stereo) |
| 20:44:53 | Javacat_ | or is that hardware dependant? |
| 20:45:24 | * | amiconn notices the X5V isn't listed on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart |
| 20:45:37 | olle_ | ive never heard of anything other than a car stereo with that feature |
| 20:45:46 | Javacat_ | ok |
| 20:45:58 | olle_ | sounds rather difficult to implement |
| 20:46:21 | amiconn | You're probably referring to an RDS feature |
| 20:46:26 | olle_ | car stereos use RDS for that |
| 20:46:32 | Javacat_ | ah |
| 20:46:33 | Javacat_ | ok |
| 20:46:35 | olle_ | excactly |
| 20:46:38 | amiconn | That would require an RDS capable tuner, which none of our targets has |
| 20:47:11 | olle_ | isnt RDS data among the radio sound? |
| 20:47:41 | olle_ | if so, shouldnt this be possible with rockbox ? |
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| 20:48:25 | amiconn | It's way above the normal radio sound |
| 20:48:38 | Javacat_ | "a 57kHz subcarrier to carry data at 1187.5 bits per second." |
| 20:48:43 | Javacat_ | wiki :P |
| 20:49:08 | olle_ | ok... |
| 20:49:11 | amiconn | yup |
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| 21:03:00 | jac0b | is the gigabeat build recognize usb |
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| 21:05:12 | chrisjs169|afk | linuxstb: Tried mounting it - Didn't work. I think it's because I started at 0x0, so it included the bootloader/firmware/etc. What's the address where the main partition starts? |
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| 21:09:12 | linuxstb | chrisjs169|afk: Check the logs - I suggested the commands earlier. |
| 21:09:22 | chrisjs169|afk | linuxstb: ok |
| 21:09:56 | linuxstb | How big is the file you dumped? Does it match the size of your flash? |
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| 21:11:09 | chrisjs169|afk | linuxstb: the last time I tried it it timed out at around 55megs, but I started at 0x0, which includes the bootloader etc. 20M past that is 0x01400000, so I'm going to try again to read from there on. Is that right? |
| 21:11:34 | chrisjs169|afk | linuxstb: I saw the commands you listed, but it didn't work (i'm guessing because of the bootloader being included) |
| 21:11:44 | lozzy | Hi there. Does the database function on the iPod 5G Rockbox scan files that were originally put on there by iTunes? |
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| 21:12:11 | chrisjs169|afk | linuxstb: I'm guessing I start at 0x01400000 right? |
| 21:13:14 | Llorean | Whoah, green build table. |
| 21:13:17 | lozzy | i.e. stuff in the scrambled iPod_control folder? |
| 21:13:29 | Llorean | lozzy: As long as they're files Rockbox can play, yes |
| 21:14:45 | lozzy | Llorean: Thanks, is there an easy way of preventing that from happening OR will simply deleting all of iTune's music on the disc solve the problem? |
| 21:15:10 | mpeccorini | lozzy: that's what I did and it worked |
| 21:15:24 | Llorean | lozzy: You can't prevent it from scanning files, so yeah, you just have to remove them |
| 21:15:24 | lozzy | mpeccorini: Awesome, thanks. |
| 21:15:38 | mpeccorini | just make sure you don't delete other things or you may not be able to dual boot the original firmware |
| 21:15:43 | lozzy | cheers guys. I'm planning a complete moveover to rockbox, that's really helpful. |
| 21:16:02 | mpeccorini | I totally recommend you do that ! ;) |
| 21:16:19 | lozzy | I was really pleased to find out rockbox works with the dock in my car. |
| 21:16:26 | linuxstb | chrisjs169|afk: I would expect a dump of the disk to be many GB, not 55MB... |
| 21:16:40 | lozzy | It's an awesome bit of software |
| 21:17:12 | Llorean | mpeccorini: You can wipe out every folder on the ipod and the original firmware still works |
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| 21:17:59 | chrisjs169|afk | linuxstb: i would to, but it seems to keep timing out |
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| 21:18:25 | mpeccorini | llorean: thanks Llorean (that's why I said "may not"). It's good to know so I can save some more space |
| 21:18:32 | linuxstb | chrisjs169|afk: Then that's a problem... Do you really need what's on the disk? |
| 21:21:13 | Domonoky | linuxstb: could you build a new mac version of rbutil ? its now at version 3.23 :-) |
| 21:21:21 | Domonoky | 3.2.3 |
| 21:21:50 | chrisjs169|afk | linuxstb: I kinda do... |
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| 21:22:04 | chrisjs169|afk | linuxstb: it times out in different places though |
| 21:22:50 | chrisjs169|afk | linuxstb: I think if I had the address of where the 'main' partition starts I'd be able to see what it's doing (or not doing) |
| 21:23:30 | linuxstb | chrisjs169|afk: Are you sure e200tool even reads from the flash disk? It looks to me as it only reads/writes the RAM... |
| 21:23:48 | linuxstb | Domonoky: Are you planning any more updates tonight? :) |
| 21:24:04 | Domonoky | linuxstb: nope, and i will have less time in the future.. |
| 21:24:37 | * | linuxstb wonders if Bagder is really here? |
| 21:24:42 | chrisjs169|afk | linuxstb: I also think it may be reading the RAM - using hexedit shows the same thing over and over again |
| 21:25:02 | Domonoky | win version of the new rbutil domonoky/rbutil-v3.2.3.zip">http://b23.org/~domonoky/rbutil-v3.2.3.zip |
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| 21:27:32 | chrisjs169|afk | the i2c is completely blank |
| 21:28:16 | Domonoky | uups, the links is domonoky/rbutil-v0.3.2.3.zip">http://b23.org/~domonoky/rbutil-v0.3.2.3.zip :-) |
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| 21:30:27 | Domonoky | and it would be nice if someone with access to download.rockbox.org could move the rbutil zip to this place :-) |
| 21:30:57 | Bagder | linuxstb: I am... |
| 21:31:13 | * | Bagder got back from Turkey a few hours ago |
| 21:31:22 | chrisjs169|afk | Bagder: Do you also think I permanently killed my Sansa? |
| 21:31:44 | linuxstb | Bagder: Welcome back. Domonoky is in need of your download.rockbox.org powers.... |
| 21:31:58 | Bagder | chrisjs169|afk: I haven't read the channel, I have a bazillion mails in my backlog |
| 21:32:52 | chrisjs169|afk | Bagder: basically, I got water around the daugherboard of the sansa, and not realising it was there, I turned the sansa on |
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| 21:41:49 | linuxstb | Domonoky: I've compiled rbutil, but found a bug. For some reason the 8MB recorder build came up as the default, and rbutil can't find the manual for it. It generates a strange "recorderg" URL. |
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| 21:42:40 | linuxstb | But the manual tab is very nice indeed - shame it can't be resized. |
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| 21:43:31 | Domonoky | linuxstb: ups the strange url came from the hack because there is no manual for recoder8mb |
| 21:43:39 | Domonoky | will fix it :-) |
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| 21:44:12 | linuxstb | Also, I'm not sure about the legality of using the Doom logo... |
| 21:44:40 | pixelma | hmm... I asked that before but got no answer |
| 21:45:13 | linuxstb | IIUC, the code itself is GPL'd, but all the images (which are in the WAD) are still under a non-free license. |
| 21:45:26 | mpeccorini | anyone: I'm making several changes to the chessbox plugin but I've read it's highly recommended to make separate patches by functionallity |
| 21:45:36 | mpeccorini | I've submitted one of them |
| 21:45:54 | mpeccorini | how do I make a "new separate patch" if the other hasn't been commited yet? |
| 21:46:31 | linuxstb | Revert your first patch locally (e.g. patch -p0 -R < patch1.diff) and then work on the second feature independently. |
| 21:46:52 | linuxstb | But if your patches rely on each other, it's harder... |
| 21:47:28 | mpeccorini | linuxstb: thanks a lot ! and no, they don't ATM |
| 21:50:13 | mpeccorini | hmmm, I don't appear to have a "patch" command, is it a subcommand of SVN? |
| 21:50:27 | linuxstb | It's a separate tool. |
| 21:50:57 | mpeccorini | I'm using Cygwin BTW |
| 21:51:28 | linuxstb | I would expect it to be installable via the cygwin setup.exe. I don't know if it's a package by itself, or part of something else though (e.g. textutils) |
| 21:51:30 | pixelma | linuxstb: one would have to draw an own rockdoom logo or something? That makes it a lot harder (especially for me who doesn't know much about doom...) |
| 21:52:27 | mpeccorini | linuxstb: ok thanks, I'll look for it |
| 21:52:58 | linuxstb | pixelma: I'm not 100% sure, but my understanding is that unless someone can find a statement from ID Software that we can use it, we can't... |
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| 21:55:47 | Llorean | pixelma: I bet Freedoom has a usable logo |
| 21:56:36 | Llorean | Oooor, maybe not so much |
| 21:56:51 | * | pixelma doesn't have doom installed and can't comment on that |
| 21:57:27 | pixelma | should have tried on my Ondio back in april :P |
| 21:57:29 | Llorean | Freedoom is a GPL licensed replacement of the art and level resources. |
| 21:57:41 | Llorean | And sounds |
| 21:57:52 | Llorean | So the title / logo from it would be usable, but I don't see an image of it on their site. |
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| 22:02:11 | pixelma | does a logo appear when starting freedoom in rockbox (assuming you do... very newbish) |
| 22:02:23 | Llorean | Yeah, I'm pretty sure you get a title screen |
| 22:02:51 | Llorean | To be honest the only time I've tried it is when verifying that Doom still works before I tell someone "It works for me" :) |
| 22:03:10 | linuxstb | mpeccorini: Looking at your chessbox patch on Flyspray, am I right in thinking you are constantly writing to the disk? |
| 22:03:18 | pixelma | would a screendump of this be allowed then? |
| 22:03:42 | linuxstb | I would assume so, but don't know the license for freedoom. |
| 22:04:24 | linuxstb | License is modified BSD - http://freedoom.sourceforge.net/deutex/COPYING |
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| 22:08:48 | pixelma | Llorean: when I'd start doom, it would only say "missing base wad" ;) |
| 22:09:07 | Siltaar | pixelma, idem |
| 22:09:15 | Siltaar | not so fun |
| 22:09:22 | Domonoky | pixelma: thats why rbutil needed your button :-) |
| 22:11:33 | pixelma | well it seems that it can't be used this way |
| 22:11:53 | chrisjs169|brb | which is the serial number on the sansa? the one beginning with Sansa e200[numbers] or the nine character code above it? |
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| 22:16:07 | chrisjs169|brb | they didn't complain about the one I entered... |
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| 22:27:49 | zivan56 | very good news, sansa radio is now at normal volume levels, all that is left is tuning and volume control :) |
| 22:28:16 | TrueJournals | When's someone going to figure out how to work the H10 radio ;-)? |
| 22:28:49 | saratoga | zivan56: congrats |
| 22:28:55 | zivan56 | thanks |
| 22:29:12 | zivan56 | the cowan d2 uses the same radio as the sansa btw |
| 22:29:33 | saratoga | should be handy if anyone ever gets around to a d2 port |
| 22:30:16 | zivan56 | definitely, now I just have to figure out how to tune, unless we want to boot to OF to change frequencies |
| 22:30:36 | zivan56 | and volume control |
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| 22:31:02 | zivan56 | Toni figured out how to get the volume "enabled" btw, see his last post on rockbox-dev |
| 22:31:54 | saratoga | I remember dan_a saying something about the tuning process |
| 22:32:05 | saratoga | i take it that its difficult? |
| 22:32:23 | dan_a | It's weird, I'll tell you that! |
| 22:32:41 | saratoga | hows it work? |
| 22:33:11 | zivan56 | yes, its very strange |
| 22:33:40 | zivan56 | it involves a bunch of calculations, 3 main registers and "counting" ticks produced by the tuner |
| 22:33:46 | linuxstb | saratoga: Any luck with ffmpeg yet? |
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| 22:34:46 | chrisjs169|brb | zivan56: so now that i killed my sansa, the radio works? |
| 22:35:00 | zivan56 | yes, but no tuning yet |
| 22:35:21 | zivan56 | there is an MPX output, if it was connected, we could theoretically get RDS as well |
| 22:35:32 | * | chrisjs169|brb wishes he never spilled barbeque sauce on it... |
| 22:35:49 | linuxstb | zivan56: Do you know if it's connected? |
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| 22:35:59 | saratoga | linuxstb: none to speak of |
| 22:36:15 | saratoga | ironcially, I did meet someone on the ffmpeg channel trying in vain to get the same example code to work |
| 22:36:26 | saratoga | neither of us got anywhere last night |
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| 22:37:29 | linuxstb | saratoga: I still think you would be better off starting from scratch.... |
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| 22:40:20 | saratoga | linuxstb: i'm not really sure how to go about doing that |
| 22:40:31 | saratoga | its not obvious to me what the asf and wma components actually need |
| 22:40:37 | zivan56 | linuxstb: no clue |
| 22:40:42 | saratoga | they reach into all sorts of data structures |
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| 22:45:57 | linuxstb | saratoga: I mean to try and understand the asf and wma bitstream structure, and write your decoder from scratch. e.g. start by writing a standalone C program that parses the ASF stream and dumps the raw WMA packets. The ffmpeg source will of course help you with this, but I think it's helpful to also know what the code should be doing. |
| 22:48:23 | zivan56 | wow. afc is really good on this radio, it just goes to the next closest station when enabled :P |
| 22:51:37 | saratoga | linuxstb: you're probably right |
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| 22:55:16 | preglow | we'll need to do it anyway, in order to fix up metadata.c |
| 22:56:27 | saratoga | i realize that, but I was hopeing to avoid having to understand how asf actually works and instead just use the metadata structs returned by the ffmpeg parser |
| 22:56:42 | saratoga | its considerably less interesting |
| 22:57:24 | linuxstb | I think the metadata and writing a nice ASF parser which sits well in Rockbox is a large part of the project... |
| 22:57:27 | preglow | saratoga: well, yeah, but then we'd need to link parts of ffmpeg into rockbox |
| 22:57:34 | preglow | we don't want that |
| 22:57:45 | preglow | so i agree with linuxstb here |
| 22:58:01 | preglow | less interesting indeed, but also needs to be done :) |
| 22:58:37 | saratoga | the oringinal wmadec and toni's plugin just seperated a few ffmpeg files and wrapped them |
| 22:59:05 | preglow | still more than ideally, but anyway, i'll grant you that it's less important than getting wma playing |
| 22:59:24 | preglow | but finally, i would very much like it if rockbox had its own parser |
| 22:59:54 | preglow | depending how complex the stuff is, of course, and i have no idea about that |
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| 23:01:15 | linuxstb | saratoga: I haven't looked at the existing wma work for a while, but my memory tells me there was a lot of ffmpeg stuff still there - a lot more than we would want. |
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| 23:01:29 | saratoga | yeah there was |
| 23:01:41 | saratoga | i was hoping to wittle that down rather then build something up |
| 23:01:46 | linuxstb | But just think of it as optimisation - something that needs to be done anyway. |
| 23:01:57 | saratoga | the parts needed aren't really that much |
| 23:02:00 | saratoga | they're just spread out |
| 23:02:05 | saratoga | across 800 different datastructures |
| 23:02:42 | linuxstb | That's the problem IMO - far more abstraction than is needed for us. It will also handle video streams in asf, something we just want to ignore. |
| 23:03:38 | linuxstb | But it's still up to you - getting something working at all is most important. |
| 23:03:39 | saratoga | I'm thinking of going back to the old source code, at least it worked, and for the parser it's probably a good place to start |
| 23:04:18 | saratoga | i had this vision of getting everything working and then stripping parts away |
| 23:04:27 | saratoga | and at each step making sure it actually worked |
| 23:04:54 | saratoga | maybe i should just focus on the parser now, strip that away to the bare essentiallys sans ffmpeg and then write the decoder |
| 23:05:26 | preglow | might do, but you should keep good track of where different pieces of code comes from |
| 23:05:45 | preglow | the wma codec in ffmpeg is still updated now and then, and we want to be able to recognize when they fix something that might benefit us |
| 23:05:57 | saratoga | true |
| 23:06:04 | saratoga | at least the decoder parts are selfcontained |
| 23:06:09 | saratoga | the API is horrible |
| 23:06:17 | saratoga | but theres only a handful of actual functions that do anything |
| 23:06:48 | saratoga | though honestly, if I'm changing all their fp variables anyway, I'm not sure how easy it'll be to include changes |
| 23:07:18 | saratoga | i think their patchs might "inspire" ways to improve this code more then anything |
| 23:07:38 | preglow | well, the closer it is, the betetr |
| 23:07:52 | preglow | and i don't think fixed pointizing it will change the structure much, if at all |
| 23:08:08 | preglow | but argh, i was really hoping the wma codec would be fixed pointified for us by now :/ |
| 23:08:17 | saratoga | yeah! |
| 23:08:30 | saratoga | i think stripping away the ffmpeg stuff is going to change things a good bit |
| 23:08:37 | saratoga | since we probably don't want to keep all those structs |
| 23:08:38 | preglow | most certainly |
| 23:08:43 | saratoga | i think a few could be consolidated |
| 23:09:05 | saratoga | though maybe those changes will be superficial |
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| 23:09:58 | saratoga | also, have the other google projects begun? |
| 23:10:11 | saratoga | i'm wondering about the USB project |
| 23:10:26 | saratoga | since i actually use usb |
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| 23:11:22 | preglow | i don't know, coding will start officially late in may, i think |
| 23:11:36 | preglow | christian gmeiner is about these days, but i don't know if he's started looking at usb |
| 23:11:56 | preglow | as for the other projects, i have heard nothing at all |
| 23:12:02 | linuxstb | I haven't seen any mention of the other projects either. |
| 23:12:28 | preglow | at least nico_p is about too |
| 23:13:07 | saratoga | hes doing MOB right? |
| 23:13:13 | preglow | aye |
| 23:13:26 | preglow | another project i'm looking forward to |
| 23:13:26 | saratoga | that'll be another nice thing to have |
| 23:13:38 | saratoga | finally get this album art patch nonsense squared away |
| 23:14:00 | preglow | the text to speech project tickles me a fair bit too, but i don't use voice menus, so won't really get to use it |
| 23:14:21 | preglow | though i'm sure i'll play around for it a fair bit, heh |
| 23:14:37 | * | preglow puts down: diversify expressions in the future |
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| 23:33:31 | BigMac | Hey what does the rockboxdev.sh file do exactly? |
| 23:33:49 | Bagder | downloads the tarballs, extracts them, builds them, installs them |
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| 23:34:51 | BigMac | Bagder: The tars for what though, I am just wondering what is causing me to not be able to patch, I know it is a pathing issue, but I have put paths everywhere I needed to |
| 23:35:14 | nls | gcc and binutils |
| 23:35:35 | BigMac | Ok |
| 23:35:38 | Bagder | and for the possible extra patch |
| 23:35:48 | BigMac | alright well then I will reinstall build-essentials |
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| 23:36:55 | BigMac | Do I need to run it as a super user? |
| 23:37:59 | Bagder | it depends on what paths you use |
| 23:38:05 | Bagder | with the default paths, yes |
| 23:40:02 | BigMac | hmm, any link I can read up on to see what I am doing wrong for my paths to not be working in ubuntu? |
| 23:40:21 | lozzy | I've just started using a theme with a black bg. My icons aren't displaying, so I switched my /.rockbox/icon/viewer.bmp with a different set. Icons still don't display, can anyone advise me on what I need to get icons on a black bg? |
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| 23:41:44 | nls | lozzy: do you mean /.rockbox/iconS/viewerS.bmp ? |
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| 23:42:02 | Cassandra | lozzy - I believe you need to have a theme file set up that loads them. |
| 23:42:07 | lozzy | yeah, I do nls |
| 23:42:21 | lozzy | Cassandra: ah, okay. |
| 23:42:27 | Cassandra | Since you can't load them via the UI. |
| 23:42:39 | lozzy | damn, is there any way around that? |
| 23:42:52 | nls | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomIcons |
| 23:43:13 | lozzy | many thanks. |
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| 23:48:51 | Domonoky | Cassandra: did you take a look at the new version of rbutil, it would be nic if we could make list, of whats needed to get a 1.0 Release of rbutil :-) |
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| 23:58:54 | nls | hmm, gcc 4.2 has been released, I wish I knew more about this stuff so that I could try it out for rockbox (or had time to learn... :-/ |
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