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#rockbox log for 2007-05-17

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00:24:37linuxstbDomonoky: Looking at your recent changes to rbutil, why not put the manual name in the rbutil.ini file?
00:24:48BigMacHey any linux users about?
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00:27:16saratogapreglow: do we have any use for ffmpeg's buffered IO system?
00:27:31saratogaright now all reads are buffered by ffmpeg itself
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00:30:41webguest87how do i restart my ipod
00:31:06linuxstbHold MENU+SELECT for a few seconds
00:31:23webguest87but it doesnt really work
00:31:30saratogalinuxstb: about the bufferedio thing
00:32:21webguest87What if my computer doesnt recognize my ipod after intalling rockbox?
00:32:45saratogathen you can reboot it in disk mode
00:33:04linuxstbsaratoga: I've no idea what it is, but my guess would be that we wouldn't want it.
00:33:15saratogasounds good
00:34:13webguest87How do i enter disk mode?
00:34:16BigMacCan someone assist me in adding my path?
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00:34:27BigMac to
00:36:49linuxstbBigMac: As root, type the following: echo 'export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/sh-elf/bin:/usr/local/m68k-elf/bin:/usr/local/arm-elf/bin' >> ~/.bashrc
00:37:03linuxstbOr just open up .bashrc in an editor and add that line.
00:37:37linuxstbwebguest87: Hold SELECT+PLAY as your ipod reboots
00:37:42BigMacand that will allow my path to stick?
00:38:09pearldivernice ideas
00:38:50BigMaclinuxstb: oh and btw, how do you exit root, I I thought it was sudo -s but it doesn't seem to work
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00:40:08webguest87What is the worst case scenario that can ocuur while installing rockbox on ipod video 30gb?
00:40:44linuxstbBigMac: I never use sudo. I just do "su" by itself to become the root user for a while, then "exit" to drop back to my normal account.
00:41:25BigMacah I see
00:41:34linuxstbBigMac: Sorry, my advice was wrong - do it as the normal user...
00:41:37saratogawebguest87: you might have to read all the instructions to get everything working
00:41:44saratogabasically the worst case
00:42:01webguest87so there is no way on earth that i can really mess up my ipod
00:42:20webguest87such as my putting it into disk mode and it still not recognizing it
00:42:20linuxstbBigMac: I was going to suggest you changed the system startup file (which requires root privileges), then thought better...
00:42:36saratogawebguest87: correct
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00:44:28webguest87What if i put my ipod video into disk mode and the computer still does not recognize it?
00:44:32linuxstbwebguest87: If your ipod is in disk mode, but your computer doesn't recognise it, it's more likely to be a problem with your computer.
00:45:00robin0800webguest87,of course your house could burn down
00:45:16preglowsaratoga: i would guess we want to do all our own buffering
00:45:36saratogagood, this will let me simply things a good bit
00:45:53linuxstbThat's how we like things...
00:46:11webguest87saratoga: what if i get an error message on my ipod and then none of the buttons work and when i connect it to my computer it doesnt recognize it?
00:47:25linuxstbwebguest87: Then you need to put it in disk mode...
00:47:46robin0800webguest87,you can always get it into disk mode this is an apple function not rockbox's
00:48:17webguest87Will you guys be making rockbox for second gen ipod nano?
00:48:57preglowwebguest87: sure, if we ever have enough information to do so
00:48:59preglowin a heartbeat
00:49:22robin0800You might have to hold the buttons for along time or release them and try again
00:49:57webguest87please try to get rockbox for second generation ipod nano
00:50:05webguest87i would really really and i mean really appreciate it
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00:50:59webguest87Please make rockbox for Second Generation Ipod Nano
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00:51:48***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
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00:56:57Javacat_is it possible to skin the boot screen?
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01:00:43linuxstbJavacat_: Yes, if you compile Rockbox from source with a different bitmap.
01:01:22Javacat_humbug :P
01:01:38robin0800Javacat_,or there is a tool on the mysticriver forum site
01:02:09Javacat_Cool :D
01:05:51linuxstbBagder: Still here?
01:06:46linuxstbBagder: If so (or if you read the logs), can you move this to the download server?
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01:10:51amiconnBagder: You can reenable SDL builds on my box now, the latest debian-unstable binutils are fixed
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01:13:55zivan56I am not having any luck with figuring out tuning for the sanyo chip, if anybody is interested check out FS 7178
01:14:36zivan56the datasheet explains it, but there are no technical details
01:14:53zivan56but I see full radio support coming very soon :)
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01:16:08austriancoderzivan56: good work
01:16:43zivan56thanks austriancoder
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01:17:12*austriancoder is sad that his sansa has no fm
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01:17:45zivan56ah, EU version doesn't least not the recent ones
01:19:25zivan56austriancoder: do you hear a buzz with after your commit of as3514.c ?
01:20:10austriancoderzivan56: sometimes... but i will fix the code in svn as we know now that fm is connected via line in 1
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01:21:27sinisterguyhey, i was wondering about what a good mp3 player with 4GB or more of storage would be.
01:21:40zivan56austriancoder: also volume control doesn't work with line1 and changing the volume while listening to music makes the music cut out
01:22:24zivan56sinisterguy: Sandisk Sansa e260 might be
01:22:34zivan56really depends on what you want it to do
01:22:54sinisterguyzivan56: does it play ogg?
01:22:58linuxstbsinisterguy: Based on those criteria (plays mp3, at least 4GB), almost anything Rockbox supports..
01:23:14zivan56sinisterguy: rockbox supports ogg, so I believe everything rockbox supports does
01:23:26austriancoderzivan56: volume control should work, if you have coded it :) sound problems.. i konw of them, but i dont know how to fix them... hope that it will be something like 70000084 |= 1 - I need to get the emulator running under windows.. but at the moment it crashes#
01:24:08linuxstbzivan56: Not quite - the Archos devices only support MP2/3 (and WAV in progress)
01:24:18zivan56austriancoder: I guess there is no "master" volume, but not in a hurry, as tuning still needs to be implemented
01:24:51austriancoderzivan56: master = mixer volume
01:24:53zivan56linuxstb: good to know, do they still sell those devices?
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01:25:12linuxstbzivan56: No, but that's the same for almost all Rockbox supported devices...
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01:26:14amiconnlinuxstb: Do you think Apple will discontinue the G5.5 the moment it's fully supported by rockbox (i.e. also the 80GB model)? ;)
01:26:19zivan56austriancoder: current code uses DAC_R/DAC_L, so I was under the impression that was the dac which is connected to the headphones
01:26:49linuxstbamiconn: Of course :) The delay with the real 6th gen is just so they can wait for us to add 80GB support..
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01:27:36zivan56how many rockbox devs here have a sansa with FM support?
01:27:51austriancoderzivan56: at the moment i am not shure whats the best way to control volume is... i tried some of them.. and will change it in near future
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01:33:37austriancoderzivan56-2: i think not so many
01:34:30zivan56yeah, most developers appear to be in Europe, not many in NA
01:34:59austriancodermabe i can buy an non eu version...
01:35:30zivan56kind of a waste of money since you already have a sansa
01:35:49zivan56did you check to make sure it has no fm tuner? If its older, it may just have EU firmware
01:36:10zivan56which just hides the tuner
01:36:44austriancoderzivan56: i havent opend my sansa.. but i could try your code and see what happens
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01:39:00zivan56austriancoder: you can just replace the OF with the north american version if its easier
01:40:01austriancoderzivan56: what values have you written to ADC_L and ADC_R in as3514.c ?
01:40:17zivan56I am using your commit, no changes
01:40:39austriancoderzivan56: fine :)
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01:43:46zivan56austriancoder: so you don't have to compile it
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01:44:26zivan56that patch modifies a bunch of files, and still needs a lot of work
01:44:54austriancoderzivan56: thanks.. will put it on my sansa
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01:45:38zivan56easiest way is to go to fm debug screen and see if chip revision is 09
01:45:52zivan56should probably be all 00 if hardware is not present
01:48:14austriancoderzivan56: chip id = 00 :(
01:48:38linuxstbzivan56: Minor comment about your patch - it contains lots of whitespace changes. It looks like your editor is automatically removing trailing spaces from lines.
01:49:18zivan56linuxstb: yes it does unfortunately, can you recommend a win32 editor which does not? I have tried 3 of them...
01:49:35linuxstbAlso, I think you want to use &&, not & in the #if lines (apart from checking CONFIG_TUNER of course)
01:50:53pixelmazivan56: notepad++ and ConText are quite nice (the first should not - the latter definitely does not remove them)
01:51:09linuxstbzivan56: Sorry, I don't know any win32 editors (but I see pixelma does...)
01:51:51zivan56ah, thanks notepad++ looks good
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01:53:29schulai get /usr/lib/gcc/arm-linux-gnu/4.0.4/../../../../arm-linux-gnu/bin/ld: error: no memory region specified for loadable section `.got' when i try to build rockbox with gcc-4.0.4 any hints?
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01:55:18scorcheuse 4.0.3
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01:55:47zivan56 linuxstb: where are the && supposed to be? In tuner_sanyo?
01:56:36zivan56I haven't done bitwise stuff in ages, so I forgot most of it
01:57:31linuxstbzivan56: Also, HAVE_RECORDING isn't defined for the e200, so I don't think there is a need to add the CONFIG_TUNER != LV24020LP checks. In radio.c, I think the recording code should be surrounded by #ifdef HAVE_RECORDING instead of checking for the Sansa's tuner.
01:57:58austriancoderzivan56: you can add your new tuner code with svn add firmware/drivers/name-of-file and it will be shown in svn diff
01:58:26linuxstbzivan56: Lines like +#if (CONFIG_CODEC == SWCODEC) & (CONFIG_TUNER != LV24020LP) should be && - it's a logical AND, not a bitwise AND.
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01:59:06austriancodermaybe we need to look at runtime if there is a tuner - chip id - and decide if we need the fm radio menu stuff?
01:59:19linuxstbYes, other targets do that.
01:59:43Boubiet2 is cool
01:59:53linuxstbe.g. some Recorder V2 models had FM hardware IIRC (but not all)
02:00:21zivan56I see, will fix it, I was just trying to get it to compile back then
02:00:37zivan56good to know about svn add, I though it would try to commit it right away
02:01:09austriancoderzivan56: it commits all changes with svn commit
02:01:18austriancoderif you have an developer account
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02:01:54linuxstbschula: Which target are you building for, and what source file is giving that problem?
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02:02:23austriancoderzivan56: i could get a sansa with radio for ~125 €
02:02:33schulalinuxstb: latest svn, sansa280 (arm), i will try now the rockboxdev script
02:02:51zivan56austriancoder: not cheap, but I guess if you really need the radio
02:03:36austriancoderzivan56: if i can sell my "old" sansa to a firend.. i think i will do it, as radio is cool
02:03:53zivan56good idea
02:05:11mpeccorinihi all, does somebody know if testing/commits to specific plugins are assigned to specific developers?
02:06:31linuxstbmpeccorini: No, it's whoever wants to work on them at the time.
02:07:10mpeccorinihmmm, I see
02:07:12linuxstbDid you see my question earlier about your chessbox patch?
02:07:21mpeccorinisorry, I didn't
02:07:32mpeccoriniI've been kind of busy at work today
02:07:35mpeccoriniwhat was the question?
02:07:46linuxstbReading the description of the patch, do I understand correctly that you write to the disk after each move?
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02:08:14mpeccoriniI keep the file open an write after every move
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02:08:20mpeccoriniis that incorrect?
02:08:34mpeccorinishould I keep everything in memory and write at the end of the match?
02:08:51linuxstbIn Rockbox yes - spinning the disk up to write the move will use a lot of battery poewr.
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02:09:17mpeccoriniGod, you're right, my bad !
02:09:36mpeccorinisince I use a flash based iPod I didn't put much thought about that
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02:09:51mpeccoriniI'll rewrite the entire patch then
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02:10:05mpeccoriniis there a way to "reject" the one I submitted?
02:10:36linuxstbNo, just post a new version of the patch as a comment to the same task.
02:10:54linuxstbMany patches go through multple revisions before being committed.
02:10:59mpeccoriniok, I will, but that can take a couple days
02:11:15mpeccoriniI'll post a comment so everybody knows that one should not be commited
02:11:36mpeccorinimaking a reference to your observation of course ;)
02:12:21linuxstbI think you over-estimate how efficient we all are at committing patches...
02:12:22webguest30when is the stable release version of ipod video coming out???
02:12:48scorchewebguest30: there is no date
02:12:49mpeccoriniwell, the first patch I submitted was posted the day after that
02:13:22mpeccoriniit was a very small change to stopwatch (just for warming up in rockbox development)
02:13:24webguest30so should i use current build or archieve build for my ipod video?
02:14:17webguest30what if the ipod messes up with this rock box , does the ipod stop functioning ??
02:14:36scorcheyou cannot harm your ipod with rockbox
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02:15:08webguest30if anything happens how do i get my ipod back to its original state?
02:15:54scorchewith itunes
02:16:30webguest30scorche: what if the computer does not recognize the ipod?
02:16:46scorchethen you put it into disk-mode manually
02:17:04webguest30what if the menu plus center buttons dont work?
02:17:39webguest30then how do i get it into disk mode?
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02:18:08linuxstbwebguest30: Are you going to ask about the 2nd gen Nano again?
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02:18:26scorchewebguest30: it will work
02:18:40scorcheif it doesnt, then you have some major issues with your ipod
02:18:44linuxstbYou've asked all the other questions earlier..
02:18:46webguest30thank you very much
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02:25:05ultrarenmy 4th gen greyscale ipod keeps freezing during playback. any ideas on why or how to fix it?
02:27:06webguest30when u are extracting your files, in the intrustions says, your folder should be /.rockbox or just .rockbox
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02:29:26BillGodSorry to bust in Just wondering how far anyone has gotten on sansa 200r? I read badger was able to change vanilla to R and back. Just wondering if there are docs yet as to installing on R yet?
02:29:39linuxstbultraren: It's a known problem on some ipods. You can try this unofficial build which works around the problem -
02:30:43linuxstbwebguest30: The folder itself is just called ".rockbox". The / indicates that the folder is at the top-level (root) of the drive.
02:32:00ultrarenwhat's frequency scaling? will i miss it when its gone?
02:33:39linuxstbIt's changing the frequency of the CPU (i.e. the speed) dynamically. You'll probably notice your ipod feels faster with it disabled, but it will be using slightly more power.
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02:35:15ultrarenhmm, well that's moderatly annoying. but at least i wont have to keep rebooting while i'm driving
02:37:01ultrarenhow do i install it once ive got it?
02:37:26linuxstbThe same as a standard Rockbox build - just extract the zip file to your ipod, overwriting the existing .rockbox folder.
02:37:42ultrarenrock on
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02:48:09zivan56do all targets with radio support recording from it?
02:49:37zivan56#if defined(HAVE_RECORDING) || CONFIG_TUNER is in the source, but this would enable the recording even if it HAVE_RECORDING is not set?
02:51:25zivan56wouldn't it be HAVE_RECORDING && CONFIG_TUNER ?
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02:52:23zivan56or would it break other targets...
02:52:56webguest30I downloaded rockbox but the text is way too small
02:52:59webguest30how can i make it bigger?
02:53:21zivan56change the font maybe?
02:53:42zivan56or is it totally unreadable...?
02:53:47webguest30how do i change the font?
02:53:59webguest30it is readable but very small
02:54:54zivan56well check the manual for your player, but it should be the same
02:56:53webguest30i have the ipod video
02:57:02webguest30how do i change the font for it
02:58:31zivan56check the link, its the exact same
02:59:13BillGodAnyone know if Sansa 200r is working yet?
02:59:38zivan56BillGod: no
03:00:20BillGodzivan56: Thanks
03:00:43linuxstbzivan56: I think that currently all devices with Radio support recording, but your patch should probably change that assumption. The Sansa has radio, but no recording (at the moment)
03:01:26zivan56linuxstb: though so, was wondering why it was trying to compile stuff related to recording
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03:02:22zivan56linuxstb: do you know which targets have different radios? so I can test compile them to make sure it doesn't break things
03:02:37linuxstbgrep CONFIG_TUNER firmware/export/config-*.h
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03:04:14webguest14How do i make doom work on my ipod video
03:07:28webguest14How do i make Pacman work on my ipod
03:07:51pixelmapick the manual for your player from this site like suggested to you above - it should answer most of your questions
03:09:24Javacat_Would it ever be possible to control my iAudio X5 using the controls on my cars steering wheel with the correct cables through the use of the USB OTG (when it gets fully reverse engineered)? (like with the standard iPods firmware)
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03:11:23webguest14i still dont understand how to download it
03:11:29webguest14can u help with doom
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03:12:24webguest98anyone here?
03:12:41linuxstbwebguest14: Are you reading the "Getting Started" section on the PluginDoom wiki page?
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03:13:19Javacat_Actually... I bet it could be done using the remote interface with a lot of hacking... hmmm
03:13:48mhydronicis there a way to change the backdrop on ipod 5g without renaming file names?
03:14:02webguest98I have a quick questino. Can I instal rockbox onto my new 80gb iPod video? Ive done it on my nano but I just got a vid and was wondering if I could.
03:14:45webguest98Really? Sweet. For some reason I thought I couldn't
03:14:51pixelmano, Rockbox doesn't work on the 80GB models yet
03:14:54linuxstbwebguest98: No you can't.
03:15:07webguest14the getting started doesnt say anything about doom
03:15:18webguest98well anyways thanks
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03:15:28webguest14please give me step by step instructions on how to download doom onto my ipod video
03:15:40linuxstbwebguest14: On the PluginDoom wiki page - which is linked from the manual...
03:16:09schulabtw. the rockboxdev script is really nice, now i can compile _and_ link rockbox :)
03:16:09webguest14i am on that page but still dont understand how to install it
03:16:14webguest14please help me out
03:16:25linuxstbWhich step are you stuck on?
03:16:35webguest14the beginning
03:16:41webguest14what do i do from the start
03:16:57mhydronichey linux.. are ipods detected in linux the same way they are in windows?
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03:17:48linuxstbmhydronic: What do you mean? detected by what?
03:18:17webguest14please someone help me with doom
03:18:23mhydronicwell in windows. i plugin my ipod and it shows up as an additional harddrive. in linux, which i am completely new to and will install tonight, what happens?
03:18:26linuxstbwebguest14: I'm not going to repeat the instructions which are on the wiki page unless you say which step you are stuck on.
03:18:48webguest14how do i create the directory
03:18:55webguest14i just type it in a new folder
03:19:35linuxstbmmhydronic: It depends on how your Linux is setup, but most distributions will auto-mount USB hard disks when attached - i.e. the same as Windows.
03:19:56mhydronick nice. thanks
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03:20:33linuxstbThere is nothing special about ipods - they appear as standard USB disks.
03:20:50webguest61for doom do i just make a new folder onj my ipod and type .rockbox/doom on it
03:21:04mhydronicis your ipod connected?
03:21:11linuxstbYou create a new folder in the .rockbox folder and call it "doom"
03:21:23mhydronicopen up my computer and double click on your ipod drive
03:21:33mhydronicyou should see a .rockbox folder there
03:21:47webguest61yes i do
03:21:54mhydronicopen it
03:21:56webguest61i made a new folder called doom in .rockbox
03:22:06webguest61whats next
03:22:11mhydronicdownload rockdoom.wad to that folder
03:22:34mhydronicyou must be uber nub cuz im nubbish and can figure this out ;)
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03:23:19webguest61ok i downloaded rockdoom.wad
03:23:23webguest61then what do i do
03:23:36mhydronicrockdoom.wad is in the /.rockbox/doom folder?
03:24:28webguest61what should i do after that
03:26:20mhydronicwell i don't know what the limitations of the doom1.wad shareware is but i guess download that and unzip it into the /doom folder
03:28:29webguest61i did that
03:28:38webguest61it should play after that
03:28:45webguest61should i just diconnect the ipod
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03:29:51mhydronicyeah but make sure you disable voice
03:30:07mhydronicGeneral Settings -> Voice should be disabled
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03:33:32webguest61now its time for pacman
03:33:37webguest61how do i download pacman
03:34:17aliaskwebguest61: It'
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03:34:23aliaskOh well.
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04:00:38noodgehas anyone installed rockbox on a f40 in linux?
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04:10:54aliasknoodge: I haven't but I might be able to help you, are you having problems with it?
04:11:21noodgeI was just curious to know how safe it is
04:12:03aliaskIn terms of damage to the player?
04:13:24aliaskIt should be no different to installing from windows or mac, all you're really doing is replacing a file.
04:14:06noodgeHrm ok
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05:54:18Josh_hey i have a question
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05:55:46aliaskjosh_ go ahead and ask it then :)
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05:56:04Josh_okay, i was making sure it was okay to ask here as there's a forum as well.
05:56:22Josh_basically, i have a 60gb ipod that i successfully installed rockbox on today.
05:56:48Josh_i played around with it, installed themes and such, and decided that while rockbox is awesome, i feel like it's more fo ao toy than an everyday use thing.
05:56:57Josh_so i decided to take it off of my ipod.
05:57:04Josh_heres the catch
05:57:08Josh_hold on one second
05:57:27Josh_i searched uninstall rockbox on google
05:57:33Josh_and the first result was this page:
05:57:37Josh_i did that
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05:57:41Josh_unplugged my ipod
05:57:44Josh_and now
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05:57:57Josh_it wont go past the initial apple logo on a black background
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05:58:10Josh_and it wont even show up on ym computer at all
05:58:14Josh_i have xp pro
05:58:31aliaskDid you update the ipod from itunes first?
05:58:48Josh_i just unplugged it after i deleted everythign rockbox
05:59:16aliaskWell, the guy said to do that first, so that was step 1 wrong, but the bootloader should still dump you in the apple firmware
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05:59:24aliaskIf it can't find rockbox.
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06:00:11Josh_but i think it's looking for rockbox since i didnt do the update thing, and since i deleted the rockbox stuff it just sits there
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06:00:29aliaskSo the black apple logo just sits there?
06:00:30Josh_and since it cant do anything it wont be recognized, even as a portable disk
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06:00:44aliaskWell it doesn't even sound like it's loading the rockbox bootloader...
06:00:53Josh_ive tried resetting it multiple times and it resets but does the same thing
06:01:01Josh_its not, i deleted it
06:01:11aliaskNo, you didn't.
06:01:28aliaskThe bootloader is hidden, doing the update would have removed it, but you didn't do that.
06:01:57Josh_but how can i do that if i cant recognize my ipod in the first place anymore?
06:02:07aliaskThat's the trick isn't it?
06:02:15Josh_yeah. haha.
06:02:21Josh_is there any hope?
06:02:29aliaskCan you get it into disk mode at all?
06:02:49aliaskI'm not too familiar with ipods so I'm kinda going on what I've heard...
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06:03:35aliaskWell, at the moment I can't really think of anything short of physically removing the hard drive and overwriting the bootloader...
06:03:46aliaskBut you probably don't want to do that...
06:03:54Josh_well i have no warranty anymore
06:04:00Josh_so im not worried about voiding it
06:04:25Josh_how would i go about getting the ipod open though?
06:04:30aliaskThere should hopefully be a more elegant solution, but I'm not too sure what that would be
06:05:43aliaskI don't think there's much point in getting the hdd, you'd need a ZIF 1.8" hard drive usb adaptor, and the only one I've ever seen is only sold in europe and it isn't cheap.
06:06:42aliaskI think you should hang around and see if someone who knows a little more about this sort of thing comes on (perhaps Llorean, or linuxstb)
06:06:56Josh_im looking into that maybe
06:07:04Josh_i cn always boot linux from ausb key
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06:07:14aliaskBut that requires the ipod to be detected, which it isn't.
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06:08:22Josh_well it says unmounted
06:08:53Josh_"Before you start make sure that the iPod's partitions are not mounted."
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06:09:09aliaskYes, that just means that the disk is there in /dev but not in an accessible place in the filesystem
06:09:19Josh_isnt that what i have? an ipod that cant mount?
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06:09:32Josh_see, i'm no linux expert. i have a tiny bit of experience but thats it
06:12:43Josh_i might actually have a manufacturers warranty.
06:12:57Josh_i doubt this is covered
06:13:00Josh_if i do
06:13:21Josh_would you think i can break it in another way and send it in?
06:13:43aliaskpossibly not, but it wouldn't be immediately obvious that the ipod even ever had rockbox on it
06:14:12Josh_so you think i could just tell them it wont load up
06:14:28aliaskbut wait around to see if someone knows anything about this sort of thing, you might not need to do anything like that
06:14:58Josh_well, i can wait for awhile, but it 9:15 here and i have work tomorrow
06:16:23Josh_do either of the 2 people you mentioned come in semi-regularly?
06:16:29aliaskwell, i don't think linuxstb will be around for a little while at least, he actually went to sleep ~5 hours ago
06:16:44aliaskBut both are here quite regularly
06:17:00aliaskAnd those two people aren't the only ones who might be able to help you
06:17:10Josh_do you know whats up with llorean?
06:17:31aliaskUh, he's usually here 24 hours a day somehow...
06:17:50aliaskBut I think he's in the US.
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06:23:19Josh_if i copy pasted this conversation into the forums, do you think it would be okay? because i really have to go and i figure i might as well see if i get any responses overnight
06:24:50aliaskI think it might be a bit verbose, you could probably just explain your situation (removed .rockbox directory but not bootloader and now hangs before loading any bootloader - impossible to access disk mode to recover)
06:25:58Josh_okay, i will do that, but just in case i'll upload a text file to an external server adn link to that. im just gonan cover all the bases
06:26:14Josh_wait, actually this room is logged right?
06:26:23Josh_i can just reference the log with google cache
06:26:39scorcheyou dont need to use the cache
06:27:26Josh_oh okay
06:27:30Josh_those times are links
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06:28:02Josh_no, but see i'm not there
06:28:13Josh_look for our conversation
06:28:42Josh_found it i think
06:29:22Josh_does that work for you?
06:33:25Josh_nevermind i got it
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07:33:10saratogaffmpeg is really amazing
07:33:19saratogathe older build actually has more comments then the newer
07:33:34saratogaso at some point, someone went through some of the files and removed the function descriptions
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08:27:34*JdGordon found his mSD card today after buyin a new one on tuesday :'(
08:28:28JdGordonand i tihnk i chucked the adapter out :'(
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08:58:49JdGordonhat file extension should this get?
08:58:51JdGordon$ file filename
08:58:51JdGordonfilename: MPEG ADTS, layer I, v1, Monaural
09:00:56aliaskIs it just audio?
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09:18:01JdGordonaliask: yeah, just audio
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09:19:28aliaskThen I think mp1 is the done thing
09:19:45aliaskRockbox filetypes say mp1 as well...
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09:20:41JdGordonok, I wonder if my phone will be able to play it :p
09:20:48*JdGordon tring to get a ringtone for mum
09:21:27aliaskCould always transcode - it's not like you need to worry about quality :P
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09:22:56JdGordonyea, looks like ill have to
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10:42:26markunfor those Rio Karma users is here with broken HDDs:
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10:57:36markunabout my GSoC 'student': "My commencement is june 10th a few days before that I should defend so then I will be totally available for GSoC"
10:58:05scorchedid he say anything else about devcon-w?
10:58:52markunbut I didn't ask him anymore
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11:08:54Siltaarso finally, he chose Rockbox
11:09:47markunSiltaar: who did?
11:10:02Siltaaryour GSoC :-)
11:10:13SiltaarGSoC 'Student'
11:10:17markunah, yes
11:10:33markunwell, I believe there was no slot for him at the other project anyway
11:12:45SiltaarElse, I found talk_file function that seems perfect form my project
11:13:28SiltaarI will have to make a french version of the talking sudoku to « defend » it, but then, I try to have the english version commited
11:14:05SiltaarI will also make a talking 'unminer' game
11:14:20Siltaarand perhaps one more 'till september
11:16:07intgrDoes anyone actually play games on their DAP?
11:16:11aliaskUnminer game?
11:16:14SiltaarFor the integration of the game, I think about make a preference in Sudoku plugin to choose wether we want it talking or not, and, if so, the user will have to add the required Sudoku .mp3 files...
11:16:31aliaskintgr: Plenty
11:16:56markunintgr: I do
11:16:57Siltaarintgr,don't know don't care,
11:17:08Siltaarintgr, blind poeple will be able to !
11:17:20amiconnSiltaar: There is a drawback in using individual .mp3 files for voice in plugins. Each call to talk_file() causes a disk spinup, and there's a lot of clutter on the disk if you have many clips
11:17:52amiconnOne goal of langv2 was to eventually extend the voice UI to plugins, so that talking plugins would have their own voice file
11:17:54Siltaaraliask, in French it's « démineur »
11:18:16Siltaaramiconn, would be perfect
11:18:24amiconnThis would be loaded at plugin start, and wouldn't cause any subsequent spinups
11:18:45intgrDémineur is minesweeper.
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11:18:52Siltaaryes, thanks !
11:18:59aliaskAha! Cool
11:19:11amiconnThis would be in conjunction with the ability to localize the plugin strings
11:19:35Siltaaramiconn, I will be evaluated in 3 weeks upon a working thing
11:20:08Siltaaramiconn, then, if something like langv2 is working before september, I will adapt my code for sure
11:21:58Siltaarand maybe I will be able to help in making langv2 working
11:22:00amiconnIf we get langv2 for plugins running including voice, voicing menus in plugins would become really simple
11:22:12amiconnNo different to voicingm menus in the core
11:22:30XavierGramiconn: btw, if you ever come around to a ground loop problem an audio isolator works adequately. It solved the problem in my car
11:22:50XavierGrand cheap solution too, only 6 euros
11:22:59amiconnI know that an isolating transformer will help, but it also degrades audio quality a bit
11:23:04SiltaarI looked a bit on the site for langv2 files, but, it's just about the current way to make languages.lng files
11:23:17XavierGramiconn: well yes, but you don't have a choice
11:23:30*amiconn will rather run his rockboxes from battery than going the isolating transformer route
11:23:57amiconnSiltaar: Yes, langv2 is prepared, but only used in the core yet
11:24:10XavierGralso I don't think I would notice the difference with the crapy speakers my car has
11:24:11Siltaarok, and what are we missing ?
11:24:24amiconnIn order to extend it to plugins, we need some kind of 'user' flag for LANG IDs
11:24:57amiconnAnd we need a somewhat more sophisticated way of loading voice and .lng files
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11:26:00amiconnAnother use for langv2 will be to cut down .lng and .voice files to what is actually used on a target (i.e. target specific voice and .lng files)
11:26:18Siltaaramiconn, the 1.4MO limitation also appears to me as something to improve
11:26:21amiconnThere's a patch in the tracker, but it needs a bit more preparation (.lng and .voice loader)
11:26:45amiconnOn targets with plenty of ram there is no 1.4MB limit
11:27:00amiconnBut for the archoses the 1.4MB cannot be extended
11:27:29amiconnThe archoses only have 2MB ram in total, and the core, plugin etc also need some ram...
11:27:47Siltaarusing the ui-simulator for iPod Video, I had the limitation
11:28:07amiconnIt's even nearer 1.3MB these days (except for the 2 targets where rombox is still possible)
11:28:19XavierGramiconn: a strange effect that I get is that the car-charger to USB cable will make my ondio run into usb mode fine, but when I try to hold mode + power to boot rockbox an error pops out saying that there is no partition!
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11:28:37XavierGras an alternative I just cut the data lines of the USB cable
11:28:59XavierGrit just seems weird why I get that behaviour, considering that it works correctly with normal USB ports
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11:40:09oboamiconn: which version of binutils are you using?
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11:43:44amiconnobo: On my debian-unstable-amd64 I now have 2.17cvs20070426-6, which seems to be fixed
11:44:59nlsamiconn: do you think there's any point in trying to get rockbox to build with the newly released gcc4.2?
11:47:33oboamiconn: weird, same version on plain x86 still segfaults for me
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11:51:11pepie34i get a "relocation truncated to fit: R_ARM_PC24 against `.text'"
11:51:29pepie34when compiling with the ipodlinux arm-uclinux-emf
11:51:38pepie34is it normal?
11:52:10pepie34i mean gcc-3.4.3 is not working anymore for rockbox?
11:53:03obofor arm you need to use 4.0.3
11:53:12linuxstbI don't believe the arm-uclinux-elf toolchain ever worked with Rockbox...
11:53:58pepie34linuxstb yes it has worked
11:54:03pepie34I used to use it
11:54:05obothe tools/ script will download and compile the recommended versions...
11:54:24pepie34i want to make .deb package of that
11:54:34linuxstbpepie34: OK, in which case you need to do what obo says and use the recommended 4.0.3
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12:01:33zivan56sansa fm tuner driver now has the ability to tune....somewhat
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12:06:23JdGordoncongrats zivan56
12:06:59zivan56JdGordon, thanks
12:07:34zivan56its a kind of brute for tuning for now, as I can't really understand the datasheet in detail
12:07:45zivan56but its a start :)
12:09:13zivan56it is up as FS7178 if anybody is interested...
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12:17:44pixelma...ooh a new one of Colombo in the forums...
12:18:54JdGordonhim and X86 sure make the forums a fun place at times :)
12:19:38JdGordonalthough, X86 is mostly because he has bad english... not him being stupid like colombo
12:20:09scorcheit gets annoying though
12:20:25scorchei know he means well, but...ehhhh..
12:20:52intgrHahaha "Lame SVN fixes..."
12:21:04LloreanColombo, X86, and for some reason that "gnu" guy tends to get my goat as well
12:22:15scorchecolumbo just makes me laugh
12:22:49*pixelma was reminded of the "detective"... ;)
12:23:14bluebrothermore fun ... :D
12:23:35scorchei think we should send a PM to X86 with something along the lines of "i know you are trying to help, etc, but it just isnt helping much..."
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12:26:08JdGordonlol bluebrother
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12:28:11bluebrotherI always wanted to create a feature request for such a plugin. Maybe I should do (and reject it myself directly afterwards? ;-)
12:29:37LloreanAren't there USB coffee makers?
12:30:52JdGordononly toasters...
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12:31:08JdGordonbugger, my dads sansa doesnt have the lcd glitch :(
12:33:40*scorche would rather his ipod made a latte rather than expresso
12:37:10intgrJdGordon: I take it that "USB toaster" means "toaster of the USB controller chip"?
12:38:02scorchedevcon is how time flies
12:38:04JdGordonno.. bread toaster :p
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12:38:47intgrJdGordon: Well, considering the power drawn by a toaster, it will probably toast the chipset quicker. :)
12:39:33*JdGordon bash skills suck...
12:39:49JdGordonhow do i extract every .zip in a folder to /media/usb ?
12:40:01intgrcd /media/usb; unzip $FILENAME
12:40:25intgrcd /media/usb; for i in /path/to/*.zip; do unzip $i; done
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12:40:51bluebrotherfor i in *.zip; do unzip -d /media/usb $i; done
12:40:55simmelOh, does that work? Don't you have to fo for i in `ls /path/to/*.zip`; ?
12:41:06intgrsimmel: Yeah, that works.
12:41:16simmelWhat do you know, you learn something new every day! = P
12:41:46bluebrotheryou don't even need to cd first if you use unzip -d ;-)
12:44:36JdGordonhmm... seems there is a new OF version we need to look after in the anti-refresh-database-hack code
12:44:47markunand use "$i" in case you have spaces in your filenames
12:49:16*JdGordon wonders if barrywardell is hiding under some other nick :p
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12:50:57scorche^ suspicious!
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12:51:49bluebrothermaybe he hides as logbot ;-)
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12:55:30JdGordonwoohoo :) i found the patch from the logs
12:56:05scorchewell, i was doing a bit more searching on voice conference for devcon-w, and skype seems to be the only thing really, unless i wanted to start up an asterisk server, sadly
12:57:22scorchei saw others that ran on the three main platforms (mac, windows, linux), but either they didnt support large conferences, or you had to have odd workarounds that didnt really work
12:57:39bluebrotherreminds me ... any news regarding devcon? Some skype-tingy planned or not?
12:58:00scorchei was going to ask, but i dont see Bagder active
12:58:33scorcheas i said, i am planning on doing a skype conference or skypecast for devcon-w, but devcon-euro isnt my thing =/
12:58:46bluebrotherwhat's a skypecast?
12:59:04scorchea conference planned in advance that can support a LARGE amount of people
12:59:14scorchein beta, apparently
12:59:33*scorche sighs at "web 2.0"
12:59:43bluebrotherah. I use skype rarely
12:59:45scorcheso pervasive now-a-days =/
13:04:01intgrWhat is devcon-w?
13:04:14*scorche points to the topic
13:04:46intgrOh, "west".
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13:12:44JdGordonok, this is bloody wierd.... my dads sansa ignores all keypresses in the bootloader using svn code!
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13:14:12JdGordondan_a: you round?
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13:18:03Bagderregarding the skype idea, I guess we can do it if it works and someone works out the details
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13:19:09Bagdernational holiday today, I'll bb tonight
13:20:40scorchealright...i will speak to you later about it then
13:21:38*scorche can likely host and if we go over 10 people, make a skypecast
13:28:12JdGordonhmm... its not a good idea copying a 10% downloaded mi4 onto the dap :p
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13:32:00jac0bdoes the gigabeat build handle usb or do you have to use the original firmware
13:32:22linuxstbIt handles USB.
13:32:43jac0bso there is not need for the original firmware
13:33:16GodEaterdepends which "bit" of the original firmware you mean
13:33:18linuxstbWe still use the bootloader (in flash ROM) of the original firmware, so it needs some files to exist on the disk in order for it to think its loading the original firmware.
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13:34:22jac0bI was thinking of getting one
13:34:31jac0bI need more space
13:34:34GodEatertalking of which, anyone know if toffe's made any progress on nuking the contents of the flashrom and replacing it with something we actually like? :)
13:36:12jac0bis the sound better or equal to the original firmware
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13:37:49GodEaterno idea - I never used the original firmware
13:38:02GodEaterRockbox is all the firmware I've ever wanted
13:39:08linuxstbjac0b: I think I've read people say it's the same, or maybe even better than the OF. But like GodEater, I've never used the OF
13:39:38jac0bokay thanks for all the help
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14:03:37myklhi guys
14:04:23myklplz, when I plug my rockbox ipod to USB, it reboots to apple disk mode , how to prevent this, if possible? thx!
14:04:53linuxstbHold the MENU button as you insert the cable.
14:05:12myklhave to try, thank You :-)
14:05:58mykland another issue - after running some plugin, screen backlight turns off and never lights again :(
14:06:23linuxstbWhich plugin(s) ?
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14:06:35linuxstbAnd what are your backlight settings?
14:07:30myklI've tried it with allways on or either 10s timeout or what ever
14:08:31myklIf I run for example doom game, backlight switches off and aslo after I wuit to main menu, it will never switch on again... I have to reboot rockbox
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14:09:17linuxstbAre you running the official Rockbox build, or a patched version?
14:09:31linuxstb(and which ipod?)
14:09:57myklI've tried it with latest oficial version and with some COP patched too... I'm running 30GB ipod Video
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14:10:52jonahhey guys, just updated my rockbox on ipod 4th gen and now my scroll wheel won't work
14:11:04myklI do not use bootmanager, I run rockbox from first partition replaced original apple fw... I think problem is in this...
14:11:31myklbecause when I run latest rockbox version, backlight does not switch on during booting...
14:11:48myklI have to wait to timeout and then it turns on after keypressed
14:12:03jac0bi am trying to use the mediacoder but I don't see the folder for the extenstions
14:12:27mykljonah> are you sure about using right build ?
14:12:43jonahmykl, well yeah i just put todays current build on there...
14:13:11jonahmykl, i always update every couple of week and just drag latest version on, things have been getting better cept for today
14:13:24linuxstbmykl: Yes, I've experienced backlight problems when not using a bootloader. But once the timeout value kicks in, then it starts working again.
14:14:33linuxstbjonah: What exactly do you mean by "scroll wheel won't work" ? Do any buttons work? Maybe Rockbox just freezes.
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14:15:07jonahlinuxstb, yeah all the buttons work left/right,middle,play etc but i can't scroll with the click wheel
14:15:40jonahlinuxstb, so i can even press play to resume and it'll play whatever song is there but cos i can't scroll i can't get to much else
14:15:45linuxstbI haven't seen anyone report that before. If you put an older version of Rockbox back on, does it work again?
14:16:10jonahlinuxstb, which version should i try, i'm not sure where to find it or what day's build i should use
14:17:05mykllinuxstb > back to the USB > it works, but 1/ it charges although I have USB charging off in menu and 2/ i'm not able mount it as sda device in this time
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14:17:34mykljonah >
14:17:45linuxstbmykl: It's expected that you can't mount it - you have prevented the ipod entering disk mode...
14:18:29mykllinuxstb... I C... well I ment... I need mount ipod without rebooting to apple disk mode if possible ?
14:18:39linuxstbmykl: And that USB charging option doesn't do anything on ipods.
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14:19:39linuxstbmykl: Then the answer is no - Rockbox doesn't have it's own disk mode implementation, but even if it did, it would take over the ipod entirely and you wouldn't be able to continue using Rockbox.
14:19:54mykllinuxstb > how about RoLo ipod disk mode ?
14:20:26linuxstbThat's not working reliably, but the effect would be the same - it would run the disk mode application.
14:20:52myklokay.. thx for explanation... now it;s clear to me...
14:21:08linuxstbWhat do you want to prevent? The reboot itself, or the fact that you can't continue to use Rockbox when in disk mode?
14:22:12myklbtw is it bug? after running recording I am not able play any song.... after pressing play buttom song appers to be played, but it does not exacty....
14:22:25linuxstbYes, that's a known problem with the ipod recording code.
14:23:13myklI want to prevent rebboting my ipod on every file transfer... but it seems not to be possible
14:23:59mykllast lame question... does latest official build support coprocessor use ? (COP patch)
14:25:46myklanyway, guys, rockbox is pretty nice stuff, I like it :-)
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14:26:34linuxstbmykl: The COP patch has been in SVN for a few months. It's only used by mpegplayer at the moment though.
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14:26:51jonahi booted into apple firmware and scroll wheel not working there either, so looks like it's busted??
14:27:18linuxstbjonah: It would seem so. As I said, I've never heard anyone else report that issue in Rockbox.
14:27:33myklI know, I've tried some mpeg files anf it's quite slow.... it does not support boardcom codec yet ... maybe later :)
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14:28:16mykljonah: try to upload new firmware maybe it will help ?
14:28:29mykljonah: try to upload new firmware maybe it will help ?
14:28:54jonahmykl, upload new firmware?
14:28:58mykljonah > you can find it here:
14:29:35jonahmykl, what is it? the new apple firmware?
14:30:01jonahmykl, i've got 4g greyscale, how do i know which one it is? there are a couple... and also what do i do with it?
14:30:04amiconnmykl: If you can convince broadcom to hand out the chip docs, then it will perhaps be supported one day
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14:31:26mykljonah > choose one with the highest number for 4G it is
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14:32:13myklamiconn > yup, I underestand... :-/
14:32:17jonahmykl, ok downloaded that but i'm on linux, how do i use it...
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14:33:34JdGordondoes anyone know if we can open a file on an external card without knowing the volume "name"? (i.e without /<MMC1>) ?
14:34:24myklyou can use ipodflasher to do it
14:35:04amiconnJdGordon: ?
14:35:33amiconnIn rockbox you always need the absolute path to open a file. The "mount point" is part of it
14:35:42jonahmykl, where is ipod flasher found for ubuntu?
14:35:44linuxstbjonah: unzip the .ipsw file, then "dd" the Firmware-X.Y.Z file to the first partition (e.g. /dev/sda1 if your ipod is /dev/sda).
14:35:53JdGordonso we cant open it relative to a volume number?
14:36:10linuxstbjonah: Your ipod will then prompt you to connect the charger whilst it reflashes - make sure you do, and don't interrupt that process.
14:36:14mykljonah > linux version is here
14:36:30jonahlinuxstb, ah ok
14:36:35amiconnJdGordon: Why would you want to do that?
14:36:42myklyup, allso possible use dd command :)
14:37:11amiconnBesides, the <MMCx> name is easily derived from the volume number, as the string format is a runtime constant
14:37:18amiconn(defined at compile time)
14:37:37JdGordonamiconn: trying to give cards individual id's and use tha id for the volume name
14:37:47linuxstbWasn't there a suggestion to display the volume name instead <MMCn> ?
14:37:50JdGordonunless we can get the id from the card hardware instead of a file
14:37:54linuxstb^instead of
14:38:24JdGordondidnt we decide usin the actual volume name could lead to duplicates?
14:38:30amiconnJdGordon: The idea was to use a volume id for the database. For file display I would keep the current method
14:39:09amiconnWe might show the volume name if it's present, but internally we should keep the generic name. Otherwise paths would break if the volume is renamed
14:39:30JdGordoneither way.. the strings are in dir.c so they would need to be moved somehwere else... unless we put a char* get_volume_name() in dir.c?
14:39:32amiconnAnd a fixed volume name helps creating playlists on the PC.
14:39:51JdGordonok, that makes sense
14:40:05mykllinuxstb: please, is there any easy way how to find out, if I have 5G or 5.5G ipod version ?
14:40:20jonahlinuxstb, hi i'm a bit stuck can you guide me how to dd it back on to ipod? i think my ipod is sdf
14:40:24linuxstbmykl: What sector size does ipodpatcher report?
14:40:30JdGordonId like t be able to open /<MMC%d>/.rbcardid on an insert
14:40:42jonahlinuxstb, will this destroy all my music and rockbox stuff?
14:41:04linuxstbjonah: "dd if=Firmware-X.Y.Z of=/dev/sdf1" If you type "fdisk -l /dev/sdf" then that will show you the partition table to help you make sure it's the right device.
14:41:12mykldd if=file of=/dev/sda1
14:41:16linuxstbjonah: No, all your music is on /dev/sdf2
14:42:30mykllinuxstb: it says 2048bytes
14:43:03linuxstbThen it's a 5.5g. Although I'm not sure what (if any) hardware differences there are.
14:43:06mykljonah > nop it destroys just bootmanager (if any) and rockbox loader
14:43:07jonahlinuxstb, ok it says it's copied it
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14:43:52mykllinuxstb > it should be, because different firmwares from apple released for 5 and 5.5G
14:43:57linuxstbjonah: OK, make sure you can't still see a disk activity icon on your ipod's screen, and if so, unplug it.
14:44:14linuxstbmykl: But apart from the different sector size, the same Rockbox works on both...
14:44:19myklhow about some rmmod usb-storage ? :)
14:45:00mykllinuxstb > Yup, you are right :P
14:45:08jonahlinuxstb, ok it asked for charger as you said so i've plugged it in
14:45:41jonahlinuxstb, and it's on, but again scroll wheel not working...
14:45:58mykljonah > so it seems to be hardware error
14:46:18myklmaybe cold joint on connector stuf ?
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14:46:47myklsorry for my english anyway :)))
14:47:45jonahWOW it's working, i just flicked the hold on and off again and it started scrolling!!!
14:48:39myklnow try it with new rockbox and I'm pretty sure it will work too
14:49:34jonahhow do i get rock box on now!!
14:50:14mykljonah > download ipodpatcher I've send You the link first
14:50:46myklthen You it to install bootmanager or rockbox .. as You want...
14:51:19jonahmykl, ok got that, can you guide me how to use it... what do i do?
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14:53:38myklhope You've got some xpdf viewer or what... if not, it's also html version :)
14:54:09myklpage 14 says how to install it under linux
14:57:03jonahmykl, but if i still have rockbox on my ipod not sure which bit i need to do
14:57:26linuxstbjonah: Just the bootloader step - i.e. download ipodpatcher, run it and select "i" for install.
14:58:10myklrun ipodpatcher without any parameter and then press i key and enter.. that's all
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15:01:44linuxstbjonah: Someone with the exact opposite problem to you - maybe combine ipods? :)
15:02:11mykllinuxstb : thanks for Your time answering my stupid qest :) got to go... have a great day!
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15:04:51jonahhaha thanks
15:04:56aliaskWhat's the << button on iPod pads special name (in #defines)
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15:06:21linuxstbJust BUTTON_LEFT
15:06:41linuxstbThere's LEFT, RIGHT, MENU and PLAY
15:07:06aliaskOh, oops. And SCROLL_BACK/FORWARDS
15:08:26aliaskOh, by the way linuxstb do you know any reason recently when people have removed .rockbox, the bootloader fails to boot the OF?
15:09:57linuxstbI think the decision was made to display an error message when .rockbox isn't found (so users know why Rockbox isn't booting), rather than just silently starting the OF. But from reports, it sounds like that message isn't being displayed...
15:10:56aliaskIs there a way to get it to boot the OF?
15:11:11linuxstbTurn the hold switch on
15:11:54linuxstb(immediately after resetting your ipod)
15:12:36aliaskOh so that still works. I was thinking we might have some hard to recover iPods appearing...
15:12:41JdGordonwell, I got .b_cardid working.. but in tree.c so its not perfect
15:15:35linuxstbaliask: No, ipods are never hard to recover.
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15:17:39aliaskNever? Even if you overwrite the harddrive partition?
15:17:50myklaliask > you can always put Your ipod to disk mode and do anything with it
15:18:08aliaskIs that in flash or something?
15:18:37myklyup, ipod has own flash that does not change installing rockbox or bootloader or anything
15:18:51aliaskVery handy
15:19:15myklthe rest of firmware is stored on first partition of hd
15:21:29myklanybody knows why the firmware partition on ipod is so big? less then 50% is used.... can I shrink it or does it have affect something ?
15:23:08JdGordonthe rest is used for hibernation isnt it?
15:23:16Nico_Plinuxstb: your checkwps patch is looks nice :)
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15:25:59myklI c... thx
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15:31:22mykllinuxstb: can I run several rockbox versions using loader2.4 bootloader ? it would be possible, woudn;t it? :)
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15:34:48intgrShould I bother reporting trivial bugs in rbutil?
15:34:51linuxstbmykl: Yes. But unless they can share the same .rockbox folder (same version of plugins and codecs, same config.cfg file etc) you'll need to make the different Rockbox versions look for differently named ".rockbxo" folders.
15:35:14linuxstbintgr: Yes, I think so. We want to get rbutil released...
15:35:27intgrlinuxstb: Ok.
15:35:56iluvahello everyone
15:36:08iluvai think i could need some help :D
15:36:34iluvai installed rockbox on my ipod 5th gen and it worked like a charm
15:36:48iluvabut now, 2 days after i cant boot my ipod anymore
15:37:07linuxstbTried charging it?
15:37:12iluvaand when i connect USB it wont show the disk anymore, not does the ipod boot
15:37:30iluvasadly i just have the usb charger
15:37:55linuxstbPlug the cable in, and then press and hold MENU+SELECT for about 30 seconds. If that doesn't turn the ipod on, just wait and try again.
15:38:05linuxstbAnd also make sure the hold switch is off...
15:38:18iluvaok i'll try :D thx
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15:41:50iluvabut isn't it weird that when i connect the ipod it doens't come up even in the syslogs?
15:42:24linuxstbNo, not if the ipod isn't talking - i.e. it isn't in disk mode.
15:42:45linuxstbThe USB is implemented in software on the ipods
15:43:04iluvaeah, makes sense
15:43:53intgrDoes it show up in lsusb?
15:44:28moosaliask: nice patch ! :)
15:46:12linuxstbNico_P: Do you think checkwps is a useful tool, or will people just use the sim?
15:46:22iluvaperhaps i try to organize a power charcher, 'cos it doesn't charge by usb @ the moment
15:46:50Nico_Plinuxstb: I think it's useful...a ctually I had thought of doing something similar
15:46:59moosbah, didn't notice aliask is out, I spoke about this patch:
15:47:20Nico_Plinuxstb: it's nicer than to use the sim
15:48:02linuxstbNico_P: BTW, did you notice the three functions I moved to wps_parser.c ? Do you think that makes sense?
15:48:39linuxstbIt seems to be a general problem in the apps/ code that files are not modular - i.e. everything seems to rely on everything else...
15:48:47Nico_Pyes I saw that... they're not used in the parser are they ? but you wanted to avoid having to link with gwps-common.c ?
15:49:17linuxstbThey must be used somewhere, as gcc complained about at least the last one being missing.
15:49:32linuxstbSo I thought it made sense to move all three, rather than just the one I needed.
15:49:33iluvathx a lot linuxstb, it reworks right now, it was fully discharged
15:49:35Nico_Pwell at one point the parser was perfectly separate from the rest, but its' not really the case anymore
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15:51:29Nico_Pah right, wps_last_token_index is used in wps_debug.c
15:54:03linuxstbI didn't really look into the details of what the code was doing - so if you want to try and make my patch better, please do.
15:54:46Nico_PI'll try to have a look but I doubt I'll have time for that today
15:55:26olle_int main(int argc, char* argv[])
15:55:26olle_ //vars
15:55:26DBUGEnqueued KICK olle_
15:55:26olle_ char codes[5][255][255];
15:55:26olle_ char codenum[5][255];
15:55:27***Alert Mode level 1
15:55:27olle_ int count[5][255][255];
15:55:29olle_ char key[5][255];
15:55:33olle_ //buffers
15:55:35olle_ char plain[256];
15:55:37olle_ char crypt[256];
15:55:41olle_ int blocksum,blockcheck,sum,check;
15:55:43olle_ int type,num,codeone,c,numone;
15:55:45olle_ int hasread=0;
15:55:46linuxstbolle_: Please stop that...
15:55:46Nico_Perr, please use pastebin
15:55:49olle_if(argc<3) {
15:55:51olle_ printf("checksummer: error: not enough arguments\nUsage: ./checksummer plain_file encrypted_file\n");
15:55:53olle_ return 1;
15:55:55olle_ }
15:55:57olle_printf("using plain file: %s\n",argv[1]);
15:55:59olle_printf("using encrypted file: %s\n",argv[2]);
15:56:01olle_FILE* decf=fopen(argv[1],"rb");
15:56:03olle_if(decf==0) {
15:56:05olle_ printf("error opening plain file\n");
15:56:07olle_ return 1;
15:56:11olle_FILE* encf=fopen(argv[2],"rb");
15:56:13olle_if(encf==0) {
15:56:15olle_ printf("error opening encrypted file\n");
15:56:17olle_ return 1;
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15:56:20*linuxstb pings amiconn, scorche, preglow, Llorean, (any op....)
15:56:21olle_ printf("Collecting information...\n");
15:56:23olle_ printf("getc decf %d getc encf %d ",getc(decf),getc(encf));
15:56:25olle_ //read files
15:56:27olle_ while((fread(plain,1,250,decf)==250) && (fread(crypt,1,256,encf)==256)){
15:56:29olle_ printf("block");
15:56:31olle_ hasread=1;
15:56:41olle_so sorry
15:56:43olle_i'm sorry, it was a mistake
15:58:10Nico_Poh I had forgotten that we are soon going to have a devcon :)
15:58:50linuxstbYes, let's hope nothing silly happens like someone suggesting we make a release... :)
15:59:01mooshahaha XD
15:59:04markunlinuxstb: I'll do my best to prevent that :)
15:59:08markunhi moos btw :)
15:59:26mykl:) gtg too... God bless
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16:18:09preglowlinuxstb: waht
16:19:21preglowwhat i like about irssi is it asking you before spamming more than 5 lines to any channel
16:19:30preglownow, if only everybody would use irssi...
16:20:18intgrToo bad it's a hack though.
16:20:20linuxstbpreglow: Sorry to disturb you...
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16:21:51Lloreanlinuxstb: Oddly enough, I don't have ops here
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16:22:45linuxstbLlorean: OK, I thought everyone apart from me did...
16:23:01*linuxstb wouldn't know how to use them anyway
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16:23:28LloreanSame here, pretty much
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16:36:36_kch_hi, an "easy question". How can I start a random play? I mean, like I can do with the apple FW when
16:37:02Llorean_kch_: The channel guidelines ask that you read the manual first.
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16:37:44_kch_thanks Llorean
16:38:17mpeccoriniLlorean: while I understand the policy, is it ok if I answer the question?
16:38:37LloreanI can't stop you. ;)
16:38:54mpeccoriniyou can ban/kick me I assume hahahaha
16:39:32mpeccorini_kch_: you should go to settings->general settings->playback->shuffle and select "on"
16:39:54LloreanThe quick menu is easier.
16:40:01mpeccoriniwhich is?
16:40:10LloreanFrom most screens, just hold down the menu button, and you'll get a "Quick" menu, which lets you change Shuffle, Repeat, and File View settings easily
16:41:03mpeccoriniwill that leave the setting enabled after you shutdown the juke box?
16:41:14mpeccorinigood, thanks
16:41:17LloreanIt's just like changing it through the normal menus, it's just a shortcut
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16:42:06_kch_yes, but if I put shuffle on, if I press FWD while playing it don't swith to a new song
16:42:18mpeccorinisure it does !
16:42:35bluebrotheryou can also use "insert shuffled" from the context menu on a file / folder
16:42:59Llorean_kch_: You need to have more than one song in your playlist for it to be useful, of course
16:43:08bluebrother"shuffle" only shuffles the playlist, it does not shuffle other songs on the player (like other firmwares do)
16:43:16_kch_I do no have a playlist, only the dinamic one
16:43:28LloreanThe dynamic one will work
16:43:37bluebrotherif you want a similar behaviour you can create a root playlist containing all files on the player and shuffle this
16:43:59bluebrotherbut the dynamic playlist works exactly like saved playlists, it's just not a saved playlist ;-)
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16:48:12mpeccorinibluebrother: I have a dilemma about a patch for chessbox
16:48:45mpeccoriniI'm planning to write a whole lot of functions for it to become a viewer, load/store games in PGN, have a menu, etc, etc
16:49:02mpeccoriniif that's the case, should I still make one patch for every single feature?
16:50:09mpeccoriniI have made a patch for storing PGN files only, but linuxstb suggested the viewer idea (taken from the sudoku plugin) and I think it's a great idea !
16:50:36LloreanThey should be split somewhat
16:50:54LloreanPGN support could include the viewer association for .pgn files, so that could all be one
16:51:00LloreanBut the menu should be a separate patch probably
16:51:33mpeccorinithe proble is I don't have more button mappings available, so I need a menu
16:52:01mpeccoriniperhaps making a menu first would make sense even though it wouldn't have new features
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16:52:10mpeccoriniwhat do you think?
16:52:12LloreanMakes sense to me at least.
16:52:22mpeccoriniok, good
16:52:22linuxstbMost plugin menus started out small and then grew...
16:52:34LloreanI'm kinda surprised Chessbox doesn't have one already
16:52:36mpeccoriniHi linuxstb
16:52:46mpeccoriniI read your comment on the patch and the idea is wonderful !
16:52:49_kch_thanks to all
16:52:59mpeccorinino problem _kch_
16:53:40mpeccoriniwell, according to a comment in the source code, Miguel Arevalo doesn't like config screens ;)
16:54:15mpeccoriniI'm going to respect his decision by not calling the menu when the plugin is started
16:54:28mpeccorinibut I'll change the "quit" mapping so it calls the menu instead
16:54:49linuxstbmpeccorini: Some devices probably have enough buttons for both a menu and a quit button
16:55:05mpeccoriniprobably, but mine doesn't :(
16:55:24mpeccoriniI'm glad to contribute, but I want to use the feature myself hahahahahahaha
16:55:38linuxstbI'm just saying there is no need to remove the quit button everywhere - just on targets with a button shortage
16:55:47mpeccoriniOhh, I see
16:56:06mpeccoriniwell, that's why I posted in the mailing list asking about the button mappings for other targets.
16:56:37mpeccoriniI've had some feedback and I'll make sure it works as smooth as possible in all the targets
16:57:12mpeccoriniJonathan Gordon pointed out there are "generic" mappings in a pluginlib_actions.h file and I'm planning to use them
16:57:28linuxstbAll you need to do is put "#ifdef CB_QUIT" around the code to handle the quit button, and not define it for some targets.
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17:00:35mpeccoriniI will
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17:56:35jackfusionhi all
17:56:55JavacatDo force rockbox to completely rebuild the media database do I just delete all of the database_*.tcd files under .rockbox?
17:59:41jackfusionhas any one had it when they download, extract current build and daily build then boot into rockbox and goto a plugin that it says incompatible version?
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18:03:00peturjackfusion: make sure the plugin was also overwritten (ie it was also in the zip)
18:03:27peturand that is in the .rockbox dir and not in the root
18:03:51peturand that you're using the latest bootloader if you installed some time ago
18:03:52ptw419i've managed to write to the framebuffer in the Gigabeat S and get my own code working :)
18:04:01ptw419one step closer to a port
18:04:32linuxstbCongratulations. What is the process for running your own code?
18:05:11ptw419using the method that Zunepet did
18:05:40ptw419basically i injected my code into the start address of the firmware
18:05:53ptw419not the bootloader but the wince firmware file
18:06:07linuxstbIs that encrypted and/or signed?
18:06:26ptw419i then wrote a byte to the start of the framebuffer + (320*240)
18:06:47ptw419it was but zunepet was able to bypass the signature
18:07:07ptw419er framebuffer +(320*240-1)
18:07:25linuxstbHas he posted about that anywhere?
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18:08:33ptw419not publicly but I am probably going to post it because i don't think he is working on it anymore.
18:08:43ptw419if you asked him he shared it though
18:09:22ptw419all it involves is writing an instruction into the bootloader that disabled the signature check
18:10:01linuxstbA page in the wiki would be a nice permanent record.
18:10:51ptw419yes will do :)
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18:11:02ptw419i just confirmed it
18:11:23ptw419i was able to do just a few pixels last night but i managed to get the whole screen to turn a certain color today
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18:12:20jackfusiondoes the windows installer work for ipodvideo v5 60gig?
18:14:09LloreanDo you mean RButil or iPodPatcher, or what?
18:16:16linuxstbjackfusion: All official Rockbox install tools (i.e. downloaded from work with the ipod video.
18:16:47jackfusionsorry mistake what I am wondering is is there a way to update the bootloader? without having to start from scratch
18:17:14linuxstbupdating the bootloader is the same as installing it from scratch - just download and run the latest ipodpatcher.exe and select "i" for install.
18:17:56linuxstb(detailed instructions and download link are in Install chapter in the manual)
18:18:42jackfusionthank u
18:18:50jackfusionsorry you
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18:26:05x1jmpHi, I'm on Debian Sid and unable to compile the sim, I always get 'collect2: ld terminated with signal 11 [Segmentation fault]'
18:26:27x1jmpthe binutils are up to date
18:27:55linuxstbx1jmp: I think it's a known problem with binutils. amiconn said the latest binutils were working on amd64, but someone else reported they were still broken on x86.
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18:29:20x1jmpI'm also on x86, does a downgrade help?
18:29:20My_Sichello every one
18:29:39linuxstbx1jmp: I think so, but I'm not sure what the last good version is.
18:29:44daniel2024thanks to Mike Sevakis (and anyone else) for the recent improvements to the e200 −− sound quality is amazing now, great job guys and keep up the good work
18:29:55My_Sicneed help
18:29:56My_Sicwhat's the tag to display the autoscore in a WPS ? Can't find it on the wiki.
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18:31:47jackfusionif I have ipod linux install will ipodpatcher screw it up?
18:35:49My_Sicanyone knows ?
18:36:22linuxstbjackfusion: ipodpatcher installs the Rockbox bootloader...
18:36:56linuxstbWhich will replace the ipodlinux bootloader
18:40:02linuxstbjackfusion: What are you trying to do?
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18:40:58x1jmpAre menus without title possible in rockbox?
18:41:15jackfusionupdate the rockbox bootloader without loss the ipodlinux bootloader.
18:41:35linuxstbjackfusion: That makes no sense - you either use the ipodlinux bootloader or the Rockbox one.
18:42:07jackfusionto see it will fix the incompatiblity problem I am having.
18:42:46linuxstbWhat incompatibility problem? Why don't you just explain the original problem, and how your ipod is currently set up?
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18:43:29jackfusionI have right at the beinging has any one had it when they download, extract current build and daily build then boot into rockbox and goto a plugin that it says incompatible version?
18:44:13linuxstbThat means your plugins are not from the same version of Rockbox as the rockbox.ipod file. The bootloader is irrelevant.
18:44:17LloreanThat means that your rockbox.ipod file is from a different build than your plugins.
18:44:39jackfusionoh ok
18:44:39LloreanIf you're using the ipodlinux bootloader, which it sounds like you are, it's probably looking for the .ipod file in the root rather than in the /.rockbox/ folder.
18:44:59LloreanI bet if you check you'll find you have two rockbox.ipod files on your device, with the newer (up to date) one being in /.rockbox/
18:45:27jackfusionoh ok now I see
18:46:43jackfusionthank you for your help.
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18:49:02*austriancoder is happy that his sansa sounds as good as the original fw
18:49:44jackfusionthe new and improved rockbox is a lot different then the one I had before I like it better.
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18:52:06jackfusiondose the database look in the ipod orginal firmware for the music and movies?
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18:52:30LloreanIt scans the music files on your device and indexes them itself
18:52:42LloreanRockbox's video format is different from the iPod video format so we don't do anything with those videos.
18:53:21LloreanOn an unrelated note entirely: Although this is probably quite a good thing, does this belong in the patch tracker or should I suggest it be moved to a wiki page? (ARM Disassembler apparently)
18:54:02RockingDi'm failing to run test_codec plugin by copying to /.rockbox/viewers and using 'open with' in a file browser. what am i doing wrong?
18:55:37LloreanDid you add it to the viewers.config file?
18:55:55jackfusionbut if I have my music database is in the ipod apple format database
18:55:58RockingDno. thanks for notice
18:56:14Lloreanjackfusion: That's not a question, so I don't know what you're trying to ask.
18:56:27linuxstbRockingD: I have the line "wav,viewers/test_codec,-" at the top of my viewers.config (so test_codec appears first in the list)
18:56:36LloreanRockbox doesn't care about any existing database. All it cares about are what format the files are in, and if they have proper tags, when creating its own database.
18:57:11jackfusionsorry will the rockbox database convert the apple ipod database to a managable format?
18:57:59jackfusionhow do I get my music from the apple ipod database?
18:58:46Lloreanthe music isn't *in* the database.
18:58:50LloreanJust information about the files.
18:59:04LloreanThe files are just files, and Rockbox will scan them if they're in compatible formats (specifically, if they aren't bought from the iTunes store)
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19:00:26RockingDlinuxstb: I'm thinking about mp3 codec optimization for multiple cores. what guidelines should I follow with dual core rb kernel thread programming? are there any special techniques with regard to standard multithreading?
19:00:30linuxstbLlorean: I think Toni should commit his diassembler to SVN (and his emulator...)
19:01:01linuxstbRockingD: dual-core in Rockbox hasn't really been developed yet...
19:02:06Lloreanlinuxstb: Sounds good to me at least. They certainly qualify as /tools/
19:02:53jackfusiondose rockbox now support doing two things at once meaning I can listen to music and read files on my ipod?
19:03:43RockingDlinuxstd: so the ablitity to create thread on COP is just a dummy? :)
19:03:55Lloreanjackfusion: It's supported that since before it supported iPods...
19:04:31jackfusionbefore the update I could not do that.
19:06:39bluebrotherbefore what update?
19:07:02jackfusionthank you for all your help and have a nice day.
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19:10:12linuxstbRockingD: It works for mpegplayer, but doesn't seem to be working when trying to move audio playback to the second core. Other people know more about it than me though.
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19:24:02LloreanIs -39 really as low as the we can get volume on the Sansa?
19:24:13linuxstbRockingD: Have you managed to run test_codec on your 3g yet? I'm curious to know the results....
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19:29:10mpeccorinifellows, can I "svn update" a single file from the repository?
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19:31:57courtcsvn operates on repository revisions, unlike some other versioning system.
19:32:21courtcIt's possible, but svn won't know what's going on.
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19:33:45LloreanWhy exactly do you only want to update one file?
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19:35:03cadkinsis there any word on when video support for the iPod 5.5 is coming?
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19:35:53mpeccorinithey are actually 3 files, I made several changes but now I need to get the old source because I need to make separate patches for different features
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19:36:51pepie34linuxstb i have made the deb package for the arm cross compiler
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19:37:09pepie34is ther a place where i can publish it?
19:37:26pepie3425 meg
19:37:54Aloneapepie34: ooo, deb for the cross? as in package file for us poor debian based people?
19:38:20Lloreancadkins: Mpegplayer already runs on the 5.5g...
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19:39:26Aloneapepie34: oh you lovely person. I had a hell of a time getting cross to work when the file they gave you to get it to work well, didn't work.
19:40:12cadkinsLlorean : I put an .mpg file on it and nothing
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19:40:48Lloreancadkins: What exactly do you mean by "and nothing"?
19:41:13cadkinsLlorean : doesn't play. Actually doens't even show up
19:41:20pepie34what??? i can play mpeg on my ipod 5G?
19:41:33Aloneacadkins: what is your file view set up as? music files only?
19:42:03pepie34well it was built with
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19:42:18Lloreanpepie34: Yes, see the mpegplayer wiki page.
19:42:24linuxstbpepie34: Yes, but not very well. You either need to encode at a smaller than full-screen resolution, or at a low (e.g. 10) fps.
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19:42:46Aloneapepie34: ah. ok. Well, I figured out what was wrong with mine. It was some obscure package that made it work..*grumbles*
19:42:48webguest39good morning
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19:42:54Aloneawebguest39: morning!
19:43:36obohas there been any progress on the sansa radio driver?
19:43:40Aloneapepie34: no. I completely forgot what it was, but I had all the gcc stuff and the other stuff on the list. I am on kubuntu
19:44:08cadkinsAlonea : I looked at it under "Files"
19:44:23cadkinsAlonea : I didn't set the "Database" up.
19:44:26pepie34do a apt-get build-dep gcc-4.1 it willl help
19:44:44Lloreancadkins: That doesn't answer Alonea's question
19:44:44pepie34bye for now
19:44:46Aloneacadkins: ah, well, you said you didn't see it, so I thought it wasn't showing up at all
19:44:50webguest39anybody know how can i put rockbox on ipod nano 2g using windows
19:44:50Lloreancadkins: Which "File view" mode are you in?
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19:45:19Lloreancadkins: The filetree view has various settings such as "Music Only" "Playlists Only" "Supported Files" or "All files"
19:45:28Lloreanwebguest39: Generation 2 Nanos are not supported.
19:45:59webguest39is a 2g nano
19:46:09LloreanDo you mean 2 Gigabyte?
19:46:20LloreanThen simply follow the manual
19:46:32webguest39thy a lot of them
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19:46:46LloreanThere is only one Rockbox manual for the iPod Nano.
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19:47:18ptw419has anyone been able to extract the nk.bin for the Creative Vision M?
19:47:31webguest39i try the ipod nano 1g and dint wokr
19:47:35cadkinsLlorean : sorry. New to this. I have the jBuild on mine. Where would I find this?
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19:47:49AloneaLlorean: I noticed sometimes when I put a new version of rockbox on it resets that view to music files only.
19:47:55Lloreancadkins: Try reading the manual and searching for File View, but jbuild may predate mpegplayer working
19:48:02Lloreancadkins: Unsupported builds can be very outdated.
19:48:16LloreanAlonea: Never done that to me. Are you sure you don't sometimes bump the quick menu?
19:48:27Lloreanwebguest39: 1g means "1st generation"
19:48:34Lloreanwebguest39: Is your nano definitely a 1st generation nano?
19:48:57webguest39it looks like the one in the pic
19:49:17LloreanThen if you follow the instructions in the official manual it will work.
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19:49:29LloreanWhat happens when you run ipodpatcher?
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19:49:34AloneaLlorean: have no idea. There was a couple times the build I was using was quite squirrley as it is. happened to get the latest at a bad time. Crashed quite a bit too at that point. Screens were kinda popping all over the place so who knows at that point. It is all good now though
19:49:43webguest39theres no intruction
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19:50:01Lloreanwebguest39: See the "Manual" link on EVERY page of the site? That's where the instructions are...
19:50:02webguest39iget a rockbox zi
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19:50:52LloreanAlonea: Strange. Which player do you have again?
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19:51:30cadkinsLlorean : thanks for the info. I'll check it out with jBuild. Anyone have a suggestion for something a little more "eye-pleaseing" than default ?
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19:51:33AloneaLlorean: gigabeat. this happened a few weeks ago. I only update about once a week.
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19:52:13webguest35when i get a zip file what do i do with the file on it .. i try puting it on the nano and dont work
19:52:23LloreanAlonea: Ah, so during all the bugginess, gotcha.
19:52:30Lloreanwebguest35: I've told you several times now, READ THE MANUAL
19:52:50Lloreanwebguest35: Look for a link that says "Manual" on any page of the official Rockbox website.
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19:53:18AloneaLlorean: indeed. it happens. Though trying to turn your rockbox back on and off when it crashes in the car is fun...good ole red lights
19:53:31LloreanI know whatcha mean.
19:53:38LloreanThe H120 was much worse.
19:53:53LloreanSome of the crashes required the use of a reset pinhole, I used to keep a paperclip on my keychain just for it.
19:54:13AloneaLlorean: awesome. I had to use battery switch to reset it on mine
19:54:33LloreanBasically the same thing, the switch is just oh so much easier to use. :)
19:54:41LloreanMy H120 has been retired to a home stereo component.
19:55:15AloneaI bet. Pin holes are evil. What is so wrong with switches instead of near unobtainable buttons?
19:55:48LloreanWell, I mean in theory official firmware should never require its use anyway
19:56:36LloreanAh well. 'tis lunchtime.
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20:07:48webguest35i got rockbox work but the word are so small
20:08:33webguest35any help
20:09:56webguest35need help with Rockbox
20:09:57Aloneawebguest35: did you look at all the different menus in the manual? there are text settings.
20:10:15webguest35lol there so small
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20:12:18Aloneasome people like small text. but like I said, read the manual, as in the whole thing, and you should find all the information you need
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20:13:42webguest35nop non
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20:15:59webguest35the world are so small
20:16:18AlldogshipI think you can add bigger fonts
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20:17:14Alldogshipthere should be instructions somewhere on how to install (I'm not a pro)
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20:17:56webguest35tnks for link
20:18:39Aloneawebguest35: did you install the fonts package?
20:19:01webguest35the fonts do i unzip and intall them right
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20:20:38Alldogshipif I remember (with my weird memory), you have to put them in /.rockbox/fonts/
20:20:43AlldogshipI'll try it now
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20:22:04webguest35how do u intall them
20:23:02AlldogshipI think you can unzip it on the disk
20:23:12Alldogshipit gives an invisible folder
20:23:51Alldogship... testing
20:24:03webguest35dont tnk so
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20:24:32webguest35thres is a themes folder
20:25:03Alldogshiplets try steps by steps
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20:25:49Alldogshipyou unzip and it gives an invisible folder called .rockbox with the folder fonts in it
20:26:46Alldogshipif you inzip it on the disk (at root location) the folders should be automatically placed
20:27:28AlldogshipI'm curious, what system and what mp3 player?
20:27:29webguest35... Backdrops−−- codeecs codepages docs eqs icons langs rocks themes viewers wps ...
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20:27:36webguest35all folders in ipod
20:27:40Alldogshipadd a fonts folder
20:28:02webguest35cant do that
20:28:18Alldogshiprockbox folder is invisible
20:29:55Alldogshipunzip the package and it should create /.rockbox/fonts (invisible)
20:30:03Alldogshipin your directory
20:31:26webguest35then how do i use them
20:31:30AlldogshipI'm using OnyX to reveal invisible folders. it could help you
20:32:28Alldogshipyour fonts are there? it's in settings-general settings-display-browse fonts
20:33:34webguest35can do nothing on ipod wold are so small lol]
20:34:11Alldogshipis it working now?
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20:35:24Alldogshipshouting: Is there anyone who can help me with iPod Mac partition table?
20:36:05My_Sicis it normal that due to rockbox, my ipod take very long time to be detected by Windows and until it's detected, some of my usb device not working ?
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20:38:42webguest35lol fix it
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20:38:47webguest35bck to normal ipod
20:38:53webguest35i goin to try it agen
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20:46:55webguest35is it bad when the white apple screen dosent go away lol
20:47:30webguest35what do i o
20:48:03Alldogshipreboot (select + menu) and as soon as you see the apple do select + play
20:48:10Alldogshipthis will be disk mode
20:48:24Alldogshipor you could put hold on
20:48:38Alldogshipsee what the problem is
20:49:36webguest35lucky me lol
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20:50:07Alldogshipdid you forget the partition or the FAT 32?
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20:50:59webguest35yea lol
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20:53:16Alldogshiphow much space do you lose on your ipod because of rockbox?
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21:06:47dawn^2hi all
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21:07:14dawn^2some of my mp3 and ogg files do not play well with rockbox... somehow, it sounds like these songs are played too fast
21:07:27dawn^2any idea how this could be debugged?
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21:09:04linuxstb_I assume the same files play fine on your computer?
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21:09:32dawn^2linuxstb: yes
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21:10:12dawn^2linuxstb: and I was not able to find out what makes the non-playing files different from the well-playing files
21:10:18linuxstbCan you make a couple of files (e.g. one mp3, one ogg) available somewhere for me (and anyone else interested) to download?
21:10:47linuxstbWhat have you examined?
21:11:34dawn^2I looked at things like bitrate, vbr and channel mode
21:12:27dawn^2are any conditions currently known that prevent a mp3 or ogg file from being played well?
21:12:49linuxstbNot the kind of problems you've mentioned.
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21:13:11linuxstbWhich device are you running Rockbox on?
21:13:17dawn^2iaudio x5
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21:14:08linuxstbCan you host the files somewhere, or dcc them to me?
21:14:35linuxstbI can test them to see I get the same problem.
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21:15:44dawn^2linuxstb: I think i will dcc you them
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21:15:58dawn^2linuxstb: I quickly have to check which one to begin with
21:16:05chrisjs169How hard is it to RMA a Sansa?
21:16:26linuxstbpepie34: Regarding your gcc .deb packages, you could ask Bagder if he wants to host them on - I know there's been talk of hosting debian packages in the past.
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21:16:50pepie34Badger are you here?
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21:17:08pepie34Bagder sorry
21:17:28linuxstbEarlier today he said he would be around tonight (European time)
21:17:57pepie34I have stoped looking at rockbox code quite a time ago
21:18:10pepie34is the COP in use ?
21:18:59linuxstbIt's used by mpegplayer, but still not working in the core.
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21:20:13pepie34and you don't have an elf loader and no relocable code for plugin?
21:20:36lowlightdawn^2: resampling issues maybe? are the files 44.1Hz?
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21:20:59linuxstbpepie34: No
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21:22:53dawn^2lowlight: yes
21:24:07dawn^2linuxstb: ok, dcc started
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21:25:11linuxstbdawn^2: It's not coming through for some reason. I don't think it's my end, as I've received files in the past...
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21:26:01dawn^2linuxstb: ok, probably my firewall.... would you be able to rsync it from my rsync server?
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21:27:08Lars_GI had to format my iPod today. I've been rockboxless for three hours and I can't stand it!
21:27:28Lars_GMy question is, has the bootloader install changed in the past... 5 months?
21:27:40linuxstbdawn^2: Check your PMs
21:27:49Lars_GAnd second is there any article on the wiki on how to format an iPod in "windows" mode from linux so it's recognizable by itunes too?
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21:28:12linuxstbLars_G: A bootloader install involves downloading ipodpatcher, running it, and entering "i" (for install) at the prompt.
21:30:20lowlightdawn^2: but does rockbox recognize them as 44.1kHz?
21:30:42Lars_Glinuxstb: ok hasn't changed much it seems. thanks
21:31:18dawn^2lowlight: yes, at least the file properties show me 44.1khZ
21:31:58lowlightodd that they would play fast
21:32:37dawn^2well, I'm not exactly sure how I should describe the error
21:32:55dawn^2maybe, playing too fast is the wrong term
21:33:41dawn^2probably, it could also be described like the player looses some parts of the audio stream
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21:34:00linuxstbDo you mean that playback pauses?
21:34:20Lars_GSounds more like cpu issues
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21:34:22dawn^2no, some things are missing
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21:34:36Lars_Gdawn^2: are the missing parts consistent between playbacks?
21:34:47dawn^2Lars_G: I would say so, yes
21:34:59linuxstbWhen is the first problem? How many seconds into the track?
21:35:23dawn^2linuxstb: it's during the whole track. listening for 20secs should be enough
21:35:46dawn^2I also looked at "View audio thread" in the debug menu
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21:36:00Lars_Gdawn^2: You just told us the failure time is consistent so it should start at the same point every time.
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21:36:26dawn^2Lars_G: well, it happens during the whole track
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21:37:08dawn^2Lars_G: so it doesn't matter from where to start playing the track (I sent linuxstb a sample ogg file)
21:37:40Bagderpepie34: I'm here now
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21:37:54dawn^2if I look at the "View audio thread" menu, it also looks similar to the songs that play fine
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21:38:05*Bagder has some fun pics to show in a few minutes
21:38:06pepie34ok i've got a deb package for the arm cross compiler
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21:38:32linuxstbdawn^2: I've just tested the first 40 seconds on my ipod and it plays fine. I'm just about to test on my iriver h140
21:38:44pepie34do you want it for
21:39:22pepie34How can i upload it?
21:39:37Bagdercan I download it from you?
21:39:56pepie34yes i willl put it on a webpage
21:40:39linuxstbdawn^2: It sounds fine on my iriver as well (same CPU as the X5)
21:41:24dawn^2linuxstb: ok.... any idea how I could find out what causes the problem on my x5?
21:41:26Bagderpepie34: you planning on providing the other compilers too?
21:42:04pepie34not now
21:42:07linuxstbpepie34: Will it be possible for people to apt-get your package? I don't know what's needed for that...
21:42:36pepie34Badger but when i will have time
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21:43:02pepie34linuxstb Badger need to create a debian repository for that
21:43:11Bagderis that hard?
21:43:27pepie34nope if you run a deb base distribution
21:43:46Bagderwe do
21:44:01schulahm, there exists where you can get cross compiler for gcc
21:44:27schulaeh arm
21:44:29Bagderschula: suitable for us?
21:44:31linuxstbdawn^2: Are you running the very latest build of Rockbox? My versions may be a few days old.
21:45:01pepie34my connection hangs
21:45:08pepie34need to go near the AP
21:45:10schulaBagder: i got an linker error, but im not sure why. i have atm no time to investigate it
21:45:23Bagderthat sounds like unsuitable then ;-)
21:45:54dawn^2linuxstb: I'm runing the version from 070421
21:46:30peturwhile on the compiler topic (prepping my lapop here): 1) does build the correct (recommended) crosscompilers, 2) do we have a list which versions we should use
21:46:44Bagderit builds the correct versions
21:47:10Bagder4.0.3 for arm and sh
21:47:15Bagder3.4.6 for m68k
21:47:19Bagdersome patches applied
21:47:21linuxstbdawn^2: You should try the "current build" from the website. I can't remember any recent bugfixes which may solve your problem, but it's always best to test for bugs with the latest version.
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21:47:46*petur wonders why make install only creates an empty archos dir (h300 sim)
21:47:57dawn^2linuxstb: ok, I will try that
21:48:01dawn^2linuxstb: thanks for your help
21:48:19linuxstbpetur: Are you sure there isn't a hidden ".rockbox" folder there?
21:48:58pepie34ok it is faster now
21:49:07peturlinuxstb: bingo
21:49:14*petur slaps forehead
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21:50:42peturstill, when I double-click rockboxgui, rockbox tells me there's no .rockbox folder
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21:52:18pepie34you need to use dpkg-scanpackage
21:52:38lowlighthmm would these toolchains work?
21:53:03Lars_Gdoes it works if I stick one finger in the usb port, and one finger in the iPod? I lost my usb cable :'(
21:53:33pepie34lowlight i can try
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21:54:42pepie34but at least it does not apply rockbox patch
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21:55:59peturBagder: nice ;)
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21:56:30linuxstbBagder: Beer mugs next year though?
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21:56:46*petur votes beer mugs too
21:57:13Domonokyfor Beer they need to be bigger :-)
21:57:21Bagderwell, I figure coffee is more frequently used in combination with rockbox hacking...
21:57:30Bagderor perhaps, should be ;-)
21:57:33*linuxstb requests espresso cups
21:57:49olle_is there tshirts?
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21:57:53bluebrotherpetur, how did you run rockboxui? You need to run it from the build as current folder
21:58:06Bagderthe shirts should arrive here tomorrow...
21:58:17*Llorean envies the mugs
21:58:25*Llorean is still looking for something unique for -W attendees
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21:58:58bluebrotheroooh ... coffee mugs!
21:59:10pepie34Bagder file here
21:59:22BagderI'm planning a shipment over to you West guys
21:59:28pepie34arm-elf for rockbox
21:59:37pepie34arm-uclinux-elf for ipodlinux
22:00:04peturbluebrother: say that again to a linux newbie
22:00:27bluebrotheropen a terminal, cd to the build folder of your sim, type ./rockboxui
22:00:57bluebrotherI guess if you just click the executable from nautilus / konqueror it assumes ~ as parent folder
22:01:09peturbluebrother: nice... thanks!
22:01:51linuxstbpetur: IMO (others may disagree), you'll get the most out of Linux if you just use the terminal, leave the mouse alone...
22:01:59bluebrotherhmm, maybe the sim executable should be aware of its location. Guess that won't be too hard to change
22:02:10LloreanIn general I'd agree with linuxstb 'bout that.
22:02:24bluebrotherI could give it a try ... when I get around for some Rockbox time again
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22:02:46amiconnIn Nautilus double-clicking rockboxui works just fine
22:02:48bluebrotherGUI is nice, but when your're used to the shell you don't want to use the gui too much anymore ;-)
22:02:59peturlinuxstb: well I was happy that I could leave the commandline behind me when I installed windows :(
22:03:12amiconnbluebrother: I know both, and I really prefer gui most of the time
22:03:41bluebrotherhehe ... seems there are always people to disagree with that gui thing.
22:04:21peturhmmm it indeed works in nautilus....
22:04:26Lars_Gcan I format the iPod in "windows" under linux?
22:04:32*petur kicks xfe
22:04:40bluebrotherpetur, linux shell is completely different to windows' cmd.exe
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22:04:46linuxstbLars_G: Yes. So it's a "macpod" at the moment?
22:04:55bluebrotherit really hurts when I need to use cmd.exe
22:04:59Lars_Glinuxstb: yes.
22:05:10linuxstbLars_G: Is the Apple firmware working OK/
22:05:17Lars_Glinuxstb: yes.
22:05:34linuxstbLars_G: Then you can follow these instructions -
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22:06:04l2eM1xanybody have any thoughts on my WPS : ?
22:06:09linuxstbLars_G: They're for Mac OS X, but the principle is identical. Just replace the disk devices (e.g. /dev/disk1) with the Linux equivalents (e.g. /dev/sda)
22:06:23Lars_Glinuxstb: thanks I'll look at it.
22:06:50*Lars_G laughs
22:07:24Lars_Glinuxstb: fun. are these part tables simple DDs from a working iPod? is it a dd of just the table or a whole partition?
22:07:39linuxstbJust the partition table - i.e. sector 0
22:08:01linuxstbThe firmware partition is in the same place on both winpods and macpods, so you don't need to touch that.
22:08:14Lars_GAh interesting
22:08:22bluebrotherwouldn't it be necessary to change the type of the data partition and reformat it?
22:08:27Lars_Gso this is just swapping the mac format partition table to pc format.
22:08:37Lars_Gbluebrother: for the data holding partition yes
22:08:55Lars_Gbluebrother: not sufficient. partition tables in mac ipods are different than windows ipods.
22:08:56linuxstbbluebrother: macpods have a different type of partition table (Apple Partition Map) to winpods (DOS Partition Table)
22:08:58bluebrotheror is there other magic that needs to be changes?
22:09:04Lars_Gbluebrother: mac FS uses a custom partition table.
22:09:10bluebrotherah, ok
22:09:23Lars_Glinuxstb: I've been thinking on this all day.
22:09:26*linuxstb should get round to adding conversion to ipodpatcher
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22:10:02Lars_Glinuxstb: I've reached the conclusion that it was stupid of apple to use separate tables and FS for the ipods. Since OS X is perfectly capable of reading DOS partition tables and FAT12/16/32
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22:10:41LloreanOS X isn't "perfectly" capable. It seems to have a crippled FAT32 driver (or at least, takes an unreasonably long time to mount it)
22:10:43Lars_Glinuxstb: And there's still no loss of possible metadata for ipods under mac, since OS X can use "hidden" directories on FAT systems to store HFS+ metadata
22:10:51linuxstbYou can't really blame them for using their own filesystem though.
22:10:52Alldogshipcan I ask some questions (mostly ipod)?
22:11:13Lars_Glinuxstb: Oh well it'd be easier if windows supported HFS out of the box. but.
22:11:21bluebrotherAlldogship, don't ask to ask −− just ask
22:11:43AlldogshipI forgot that was one on the prime directive of chat
22:12:01linuxstbAlldogship: you lost 15GB of space on your disk?
22:12:11Alldogshipyep, that's me
22:12:27Alldogshipit's a partition thing
22:12:50linuxstbA few people have reported that - maybe the partition table on the download site is wrong... Which ipod do you have?
22:13:09AlldogshipI barely know anyone with windows so I had to change my ipod it fat32
22:13:11bluebrotherah, so it's a conversion issue?
22:13:24Alldogshipipod video 30gig gen 5.5
22:13:28pepie34the emdebian package is not working
22:13:30pepie34error: no memory region specified for loadable section `.got'
22:13:37linuxstbAlldogship: And which MBR did you download?
22:13:47bluebrothercan't you just remove and create the data partition with fdisk?
22:14:08linuxstbbluebrother: You should be able to, but I've never worked out the Mac OS X partitioning tools....
22:14:27bluebrotherah. Don't know os x :o
22:14:43linuxstb(most partitioning tools don't like the Empty partition on ipods)
22:14:53bluebrotherI did something similar when I tried booting my mini from a cf card, but I used linux
22:15:05Alldogshiplinuxstb: used mbr-video30gb-2048.bin. it's the right one but maybe for gen 5 only
22:15:14linuxstbYes, the linux fdisk lets you do anything...
22:15:14bluebrotherfdisk on linux can handle it fine. If os x ships that it shouldn't be a problem
22:15:26bluebrotherbut as I said, I don't know os x at all
22:15:32linuxstbIt's BSD based, so has lots of BSD tools rather than GNU.
22:15:43Lars_Glinuxstb: and some custom tools too.
22:15:47linuxstb(fdisk probably isn't gnu though...)
22:15:51bluebrothertoo bad there aren't os x live cds around ;-)
22:15:54Lars_Gomg I'm a moron
22:15:55Alldogship"man fdisk" is victorious!
22:16:10Lars_Gbluebrother: the install cd is a live disk, and making one is not too hard.
22:16:52bluebrotherbut you need to buy os x, and need a mac, right?
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22:17:16pepie34Bagder did you get them?
22:17:24Lars_GAlldogship: My favorite is the gay command.
22:17:26 Join saratoga [0] (i=98039ac0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/
22:17:28Lars_GAlldogship: "man touch"
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22:18:24bluebrotheroh, "man man" is also somewhat funny
22:18:33Bagderpepie34: I'll only get the base one
22:18:39Alldogshipwhich man?
22:19:06pepie34you mean?
22:19:23Bagderpepie34: I mean that I won't host a toolset for ipodlinux hacking
22:19:33pepie34OK ?
22:20:16pepie34ok bye
22:20:22pepie34good night
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22:20:25linuxstbAlldogship: Yes, it looks like our mbr-video30gb-2048.bin file is bad. Anyone around here with a 30GB 5.5g ?
22:20:53Alldogshipme exactly. I think that's the problem
22:21:25XavierGrBagder: how can we mere humans get a hold of one of those mugs :P
22:21:26Alldogshipunless I'm the first with a 30gb ipod video who noticed it
22:21:45BagderXavierGr: not at all yet, and we'll see if ever
22:22:01BagderI'll hand them out on the devcon
22:22:09Bagderand send a bunch to the westerners
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22:22:19*Llorean sighs.
22:22:21linuxstbAlldogship: A few people have mentioned it in the past I think - I remember reading some forum posts
22:22:22Bagderthen consider the leftovers
22:22:36LloreanI fear I'm going to have to make the "POSTING IN THIS FORUM" posts several pages long if I'm going to make them effective.
22:22:44Lars_Glinuxstb: ipodpatcher -i or ipodpatcher -a ?
22:22:53linuxstbLlorean: Just change it to "DO NOT POST IN THIS FORUM"...
22:22:53LloreanA long list of "Do not post here if"s... :(
22:23:23linuxstbLars_G: Just run it without any parameters.
22:23:25XavierGrBagder: maybe you should open an online shop with Rockbox items like t-shits, mugs etc :D
22:23:25Lloreanlinuxstb: I have someone griping at me because someone else removed their post. It was a "I removed Rockbox from my iPod, but it's great, really!" from the Ipod Installation/Removal forum
22:23:47linuxstbWell, it was a post about removal... :)
22:23:53LloreanYeah, that was his point
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22:24:12LloreanI wasn't the one who removed his post, but I defended it because I felt it was an off-topic post mostly
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22:24:38LloreanI felt that with the statement "Don't ask anything here after you've successfully booted Rockbox" strongly implied the corollary of "Don't post here after you've successfully removed Rockbox" but I may have to type that out :)
22:24:54LloreanAh well, I'm apparently the "Evil type of moderator who can do no wrong" despite the fact that I'm not the one who removed the post.
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22:25:57zivan56looks like sansa tuning is getting really close to the actual frequencies...still a small error of +/- 0.2 Mhz, will get that fixed soon though
22:26:39saratogaoh sorry I removed that post
22:26:46saratogamostly because it was dumb and off topic
22:26:51XavierGrbagder: yeah but then the money will go to them and not Rockbox :(
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22:27:45Alldogshiplinuxstb: I read the full fdisk manual and i'm lost
22:28:13linuxstbAlldogship: I was too... I assume you can't find a Linux computer either?
22:28:25LloreanXavierGr: Yeah, they get the majority of the money on those.
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22:28:39LloreanBut it's much easier than printing out a warehouse full of t-shirt and handling shipping yourself.
22:28:43BagderXavierGr: either way, we can't get the majority
22:28:49Lars_Gcp: cannot stat `rockbox-info.txt': No such file or directory
22:28:50Lars_G <−−- do I need to remake (recreate) my build dir?
22:28:51Bagdermaking and shipping cost a lot
22:29:02linuxstbLars_G: You need to re-run ../tools/configure
22:29:03bluebrotherLars_G, rerun configure
22:29:18Lars_Gno need to destroy the build dir? ok
22:29:40*bluebrother hopes to get something from the devcon leftovers
22:30:03Alldogshiplinuxstb: what? using linux would work? I wish I read that before. (got ubuntu in dual boot)
22:30:10Lars_GSigh someday I'll setup a distcc farm. someday
22:30:32linuxstbAlldogship: Yes, Linux is much easier...
22:30:39linuxstb(because I use it....)
22:31:14Alldogshiplinuxstb: I'll reboot, find a chat program and I'll be back
22:31:14BagderLars_G: use ccache and it'll be fast enough
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22:31:38Lars_GBagder: I have it, but the difference doesn't seems so much
22:31:43Lars_GMaybe i've not configured it well
22:31:44Bagderon linux?
22:31:55Bagderthe difference is quite notable to most of us
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22:32:59BagderI doubt a distcc farm will help much
22:33:04bluebrotherLars_G: maybe you installed ccache after running configure and it doesn't make use of ccache at all?
22:33:09Bagderit would require very fast network
22:35:33bluebrothergrr. Why do these stupid usb-ata bridges not support smart commands?
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22:36:10alldogshiplinuxstb: back
22:36:17LloreanIf he steps over anything that even _seems_ like a line, feel free to revoke his posting privileges if I'm not around to do it first.
22:37:05amiconnbluebrother: Because they translate everything. And usb disk communicates using scsi commands, even though the disk "behind" the bridge is usually ata
22:37:57bluebrotherhmm. Meaning scsi doesn't know smart commands so the bridge can't translate it?
22:39:05linuxstballdogship: Is your ipod attached?
22:39:08amiconnAfaiu usb-ata bridges set their own power management parameters for the disk, determined by the bridge's configuration eeprom
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22:39:26alldogshiplinuxstb: yep I see it's icon
22:39:44linuxstbForget the icon and open up a terminal...
22:39:58alldogshiplinuxstb: already done
22:40:02linuxstbAlthough you should unmount it if you can.
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22:42:41BigMacHey, can anyone tell me the line of code you need to change in /apps/bitmaps/native/misc.c to remove the version info
22:43:17bluebrotherremove the version info?
22:43:20BigMacIt used to be in snprintf(version, sizeof(version), "Ver. %s", appsversion);
22:43:38BigMacYah, you know how it shows the version info in the bottom center?
22:43:42BigMaclike revision?
22:43:56BigMacthat line no longer exists though
22:43:56bluebrothercreate a file docs/VERSION
22:44:18Lars_Ghmmmm, not booting
22:44:20linuxstbBigMac: Delete lines 879 to 883 - the two lcd_setfont() lines and the two lines between them.
22:44:26Lars_Gneither rockbox bootloader not OF
22:44:29alldogshiplinuxstb: unmounted it (had to brushup on my terminal memory)
22:44:40bluebrotherand put in what you want to appear as verion string
22:44:40BigMaclinuxstb: Thank ya
22:44:41linuxstballdogship: Do you know the disk device?
22:44:55alldogshiplinuxstb: yep
22:45:09linuxstbThen type "fdisk /dev/sdx" (replace x with the right letter)
22:45:11BigMacbluebrother: No I just don't want anything overlaying the bootscreen
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22:45:17alldogshiplinuxstb: /dev/sdb2
22:45:19linuxstbThe "p" to display the paritition table.
22:45:24linuxstballdogship: Just /dev/sdb
22:45:49Lars_GSigh i give up, I'll try to find a windows machine to format the friggin thing
22:46:24*Lars_G kicks stuff
22:46:46alldogshiplinuxstb: Note: sector size is 2048 (not 512)
22:46:56alldogshiplinuxstb: Command (m for help):
22:47:08alldogshiplinuxstb: that was to be expected
22:47:11linuxstballdogship: Good. Now type "d" followed by "2" to delete the existing partition.
22:47:11Lars_Glinuxstb: I see ipodpatcher's a bin but can't find the source, it's distributted as bin in svn?
22:47:29linuxstbLars_G: The source is in rbutil/ipodpatcher/
22:47:32alldogshiplinuxstb: d2 or d enter 2 enter
22:47:38linuxstbd enter 2 enter
22:48:02Lars_Glinuxstb: thanks
22:48:02alldogshiplinuxstb: an other command?
22:48:54linuxstbNow "n" enter, "p" enter, "2" enter, "6" enter, enter
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22:49:29linuxstbIn fact, the 6 may be wrong for your ipod, it should be the same start cylinder as was displayed earlier....
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22:50:08Lars_Glinuxstb: sorry dude, does this look ok to you?
22:50:19alldogshiplinuxstb: good thing I didn't do the last enter. Asking me :Last cylinder or +size or +sizeM or +sizeK (6-912, default 912):
22:50:42linuxstbLars_G: I can't connect to that page
22:51:21linuxstballdogship: Don't worry - all changes are still in memory, they are not written until you enter the "w" command. You can press "q" at any time to cancel and leave fdisk.
22:51:26Lars_Glinuxstb: do, reload
22:51:58linuxstbLars_G: Yes, that looks normal.
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22:52:26Lars_Glinuxstb: odd thing is, I reset the ipod and it shows just the apple, nothing else (no rockbox bootup dialog)
22:52:35linuxstbDoes the backlight come on?
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22:53:00sergeylinuxstb: sorry for delay. I've ran test_codec on mp3 128 kbps. 112%realtime
22:53:04alldogshiplast time I had a apple logo luckup I switched the hold on
22:53:09Lars_GOk I unzipped rockbox, it loads rockbox..... sigh
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22:53:32Lars_Gso damage might be the OF
22:53:44JavacatAre there any plans for some sort of skinable main screen, where you can place shortcuts to whatever components? Instead of having one of the menu screens?
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22:53:47RockingDsorry, client changed my nick to sergey
22:53:49Lars_Goh my
22:53:58Lars_Glinuxstb: No more rockbox startup diag?
22:54:07linuxstbLars_G: No
22:54:14linuxstballdogship: Are you OK with fdisk?
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22:54:31Lars_Glinuxstb: man, that's sad. I'm sure lots of people find it more elegant, but I liked my "gibberish"
22:55:04linuxstbLars_G: You can compile your own bootloader and restore it - just set "verbose=true" at the top of bootloader/common.c
22:55:30Lars_Glinuxstb: Oh I will. danke
22:55:34alldogshiplinuxstb: I was waiting for you :p what was supposed to be what first?
22:55:49alldogshiplinuxstb: it's about the 6 btw
22:56:03linuxstballdogship: Just press enter.
22:56:31linuxstballdogship: But I think the 6 was wrong - what did fdisk display as the start of the second partition when you first typed "p" ?
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22:56:40*Lars_G prays someday rockbox will be able to use the USB without touching the OF
22:56:53LloreanLars_G: We're kinda hoping for that by the end of the summer
22:56:54alldogshiplinuxstb: I'm starting all over
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22:57:06Lars_GLlorean: it's one of the SoC projects?
22:57:08fir3_what player would you recommend for rockbox?
22:57:16BigMaclinuxstb: Deleted those lines, mind if I rafb it and you check those four lines to make sure I didn't fudge it up
22:57:31bluebrotherfir3_, what do you want to do with it?
22:57:35linuxstbBigMac: Sure
22:57:43Lars_GLlorean: if the same slav^H^H^H^H Student can rev eng the serial port driver I'll die of extasis
22:57:52bluebrotherdo you want to record? Color screen? Memory type?
22:57:57fir3_bluebrother: depends on the price ;)
22:58:02alldogshiplinuxstb: partition number (1-4)?
22:58:07linuxstbfir3_: Do you want flash-based or hard disk?
22:58:23alldogshiplinuxstb: or first cylinder? (1-912)
22:58:25linuxstballdogship: Shall we do this in PMs?
22:58:44bluebrotherLars_G, any ideas how much of the serial port is already known? I was considering to build a serial cable ...
22:59:29linuxstbBigMac: Yes, that looks fine.
22:59:29bluebrotherfir3_, you might want to check out this page:
22:59:29LloreanLars_G: We have an advantage with the USB. No reverse engineering. Some datasheets that are apparently somewhat usable for our purposes (the USB hardware is apparently a version of documented hardware that's just used in the portalplayer hardware, from my understanding)
22:59:34fir3_linuxstb: guess i'd prefer flash, i want long battery lifetime
22:59:44LloreanLars_G: The student is actually working on a USB stack itself, which is the key part that needs done now, I believe
22:59:53Lars_GLlorean: that's good
23:00:04BigMaclinuxstb: I think I will try make clean then remaking I guess
23:00:24Lars_GLlorean: speaking of usb stack do you think the IC will support host mode with a good stack? or it's hardwarely impossible?
23:00:29bluebrotherfir3_, current flash-based players use the PP chip, which is known to have runtime issues atm
23:00:48fir3_and i wouldn't like to spend much money on a device i can lose so easily
23:00:52LloreanLars_G: Signs indicate that it's likely they will.
23:01:05*Lars_G bends over and weeps
23:01:11LloreanLars_G: But that's not a guarantee.
23:01:13Lars_GLlorean: the gods bless you
23:01:23bluebrothernano 1G and Sansa are flash based.
23:01:45Lars_Gbluebrother: I'm thinking on flashing a 3G too
23:01:59Lars_Gbluebrother: if I can lay hands on a SSHDD for it, I will
23:02:02saratoga3G is basically unusable
23:02:17bluebrotheryou get really good battery runtime from iaudio, h100 and h300 series
23:02:23bluebrotheri.e. the coldfire based hd-players
23:04:01bluebrotheranother question is about the size you want to get ... those aren't the tiniest available
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23:04:34linuxstbfir3_: What do you call "long" battery life? 10 hours, 20 hours, 30 hours?
23:04:45Bagder100! ;-P
23:05:05linuxstbTwo M5Ls...
23:05:09bluebrotheris there an m5l around? How long would that get?
23:05:09fir3_above 10 hours, the higher, the better :)
23:05:17LloreanBagder: I bet the M5L could get 100 under very, very, very ideal conditions. :-P
23:06:00LloreanA short WAV file, looped from RAM, CPU clocked as low as it gets, LCD and everything else powered down except what's necessary for output...
23:06:07Bagderwe'll use that number in our new glossy printer marketing material for the big summer sales of Rockbox
23:06:27fir3_sounds interesting :)
23:06:33RockingDspeaking about battery life and performance... what are the "normal" result of test_codec for mp3 with ~128 kbps?
23:06:49LloreanRockingD: That's a very vague question.
23:07:06RockingDI know. I'm getting 112% on my iPod 3G
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23:07:23LloreanI mean, I could test it on my gigabeat and get rather ridiculous results.
23:07:25RockingDjust want to have some other numbers
23:07:44linuxstbRockingD: Give me a moment, and I'll test on my 4G ipod (Color)
23:08:59RockingDcool. another result. ~224 kbps vbr gives 106%
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23:15:37linuxstbRockingD: I don't know if you've tried it, but I think there is a patch on the patch tracker with some MP3 optimisations
23:16:11RockingDnope. I'm new to this project.
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23:16:47TrueJournalslinuxstb: Really? Where is this patch?
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23:17:14linuxstbOn the patch tracker... I don't know the number
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23:19:39TrueJournalsThat's what I'm guessing... seems to be out of sync...
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23:21:29TrueJournalsThe problem is... "With this patch the mpegplayer plugin does not compile on Ipod because of overfull IRAM."
23:22:02TrueJournalswhen I tried it a while ago, it didn't compile on my H10 either...
23:22:35linuxstbThat's fixable now though - libmad is compiled separately for mpegplayer. But no-one has actually fixed it...
23:23:05linuxstbBut I just suggested it to RockingD so he could test it on his 3G.
23:23:29linuxstbRockingD: A 128kbps CBR file is 164% realtime on my 4G ipod.
23:24:02RockingDlinuxstb: thanks. I'll try this patch and compare results
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23:33:53linuxstbRockingD: I've just tried that patch, and the same file now decodes at 175%
23:34:15linuxstbAh, he left....
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23:35:39TrueJournalslinuxstb: So, with the patch, mpegplayer will NOT compile, but the patch could be changed so that it would compile?
23:35:58linuxstbYes. Some of the optimisations would need to be disabled for mpegplayer
23:36:22TrueJournalsAh, OK
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23:44:56digerati1338Is there an easy way to tell if a patch has been applied to my source code?
23:45:03linuxstbOK, this is weird... With some functions removed from IRAM, decoding speed has gone up to 183.5%....
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23:46:23LloreanI thought that the IRAM wasn't necessarily beneficial on the iPods. Didn't someone mention that before?
23:46:43linuxstbYes, I've mentioned it before. The benefit seems unpredictable...
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23:46:59LloreanYou'd think it'd at least be predictable. Either yes, or no.
23:48:14*linuxstb wishes RockingD was around to test on the PP5002
23:50:58LloreanShould an iPod 5G and Nano get the same results on the same file, or do other things affect the outcome than CPU?
23:51:13linuxstbYou're asking me to predict ipod behaviour? ;)
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23:51:52linuxstbI would expect them to be the same though...
23:51:53Lars_Glinuxstb: You don't have a built in architecture simulator in your head?
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23:52:16LloreanAlright, that's what I was looking for "expected to be the same"
23:52:33LloreanI may compile builds for my Sansa and my Nano later then, and see if they are.
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23:52:58Lars_GLlorean: Of course if they where made in different seasons and the ram/flash brand differs and the internal chip algorithm or construction is different in theory a non-noticeable difference is possible
23:53:06LloreanNot the same CPUs, but I'm kinda curious if there's a performance difference in them.
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23:54:07boxrockanybody: i just rockbox'd a sansa, now when i plug in usb, windows says unrecognised ??
23:54:18Lloreanboxrock: Rockbox doesn't have a USB mode.
23:54:25Lloreanboxrock: Turn off the sansa, and plug in the cable while it's turned off.
23:54:44LloreanRockbox on Sansa doesn't have a USB mode, specifically
23:55:26boxrockok, so download while it's in sandisk FW?
23:55:34olle_does rockbox on iriver have usb mode?
23:55:51LloreanWhich iRiver?
23:55:53linuxstbOn h100 and h300, yes.
23:56:45olle_but not H10
23:57:20olle_ok. sorry if i ask dumb questions. im too tired to RTFM
23:57:31olle_midnight here
23:57:40bluebrotherRockbox has usb on the devices that use a hardware usb bridge.
23:57:49bluebrotherwhich is h100 and h300 series.
23:58:11bluebrotherit does not have usb for the PortalPlayer devices. Which is Ipod, Iriver h10 and Sandisk
23:58:46boxrockok, that's what threw me off, it works on my Toshiba F40

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