#rockbox 2007-05-19

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#rockbox log for 2007-05-19

00:00:04		Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@71-10-1-92.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com)
00:00:07	florin	it also compares against the strings "iPod" and "This is your Apple iPod. [...]" ad index 71 and 0x40...
00:00:08	Sivart0	the DOS version of fdisk is completely different than the linux version
00:00:19	digerati1338	I would highly recommend the GPARTed Live CD too. It is a live linux CD that is only about 30 MB and only includes the partition editor
00:00:28	jurrie	yes, it is. The DOS version on deals with FAT (and now possibly NTFS) partitions
00:00:40		Part TrueJournals
00:00:42	jurrie	s/on/only
00:00:48	digerati1338	I use GPARTed whenever I need to partition anything because it can handle all filesystems.
00:00:53	Sivart0	i dont wanan boot into linux ;-;
00:01:02	DerPapst	florin: find out where it trys to detect your iPods generation
00:01:34	Sivart0	i may have no choice v_v
00:01:38	bluebrother	saratoga, I don't think so −− it starts with a capital letter ;-)
00:01:44	florin	anyone interested in a −−this-is-ipod flag, to disable this one check?
00:01:56	Sivart0	oh wait, i have more than one computer <_<
00:02:04	*	Sivart0 slaps Sivart0 around a bit with a large trout
00:02:14	florin	i can fix it to work for me, but i can aswell add a flag, if someone is interested...
00:02:23	DerPapst	florin: feel free to make one. i would be interested in it.
00:03:22	Llorean	I would suggest simply naming it −−force
00:03:36	bluebrother	florin, I think it was left out intentionally but if you post a patch maybe it'll get added
00:03:45	florin	ok.
00:03:58	florin	what about that generation check? is in important/needed?
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00:04:26	florin	oh, and: the reason why my ipod does not have the magic might _not_ be a 5.5g-issue!
00:04:50	DerPapst	the generation is important
00:04:51	florin	it's probably a "florin messed his ipod"-issue :-)
00:04:55	florin	ok.
00:05:13	DerPapst	so you have to pass an argument to ipodpatcher as well to tell it the generation
00:05:33	n1s	bluebrother: you were right, April 28 was the first commitless day of the year, I was doing a project that took all my time fore the last two weeks of april so I missed it.
00:05:34	Domonoky	its the "we dont have the correct MBR to convert your ipod" Problem :-)
00:05:44	DerPapst	florin: a lot of other users have that image too.
00:05:53	DerPapst	s/image/issue
00:06:31		Quit jgarvey ("Leaving")
00:09:09	bluebrother	n1s, and there was the svn transition period. But I think that doesn't count
00:10:03		Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection)
00:11:23	n1s	bluebrother: yeah, but there were these multi hundred files commits that changed properties an such so I counted them :-)
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00:11:34	bluebrother	hehe
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00:13:08	markun	mpeccorini: chessbox menu is committed
00:13:17	markun	this was the first devcon commit btw :)
00:13:39	DerPapst	looks a bit like school....
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00:14:16	dan_a	DerPapst: I wish my school desk had all those beer bottles on it!
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00:14:41	DerPapst	hehe
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00:16:55	Sivart0	dammit
00:17:02		Part mpeccorini
00:17:05	Sivart0	i cant get a partition smaller than 8m
00:17:56	Sivart0	any suggestions?
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00:20:01	raphi	Sivart0: hmm.... doesn't look to be possible... http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb%3Ben-us%3B143148&x=5&y=17
00:20:20	Sivart0	WOO
00:20:28	Sivart0	i figured it out ^_^
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00:21:28	digerati1338	why would you want a partition smaller than 8m
00:21:57	Sivart0	firmware
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00:25:36	scorche	look at all the happy rockbox hackers =)
00:25:44	DerPapst	cute
00:25:46	DerPapst	^^
00:26:04	*	B4gder hands markun his 14 points on a silver plate
00:26:19	a1titude	I wonder what there programming! haha
00:26:56	scorche	B4gder: well, now that i am awake, shall we get a skype conference going? =P
00:27:02	toffe82	ther are not there are playing online :)
00:27:12	pixelma	beerbox.rock ;)
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00:27:16	a1titude	haha, woulden't suprise me
00:27:26	B4gder	I'm not, I'm going home in a short while
00:28:12	a1titude	does the devcon officialy start 2morrow then?
00:28:19	DerPapst	yupp
00:28:31	DerPapst	this is just the warming up :P
00:28:39	Sivart0	bleh
00:28:42	bluebrother	nah, may 19 has already started :D
00:28:44	a1titude	ha, a whole day beein' watched! 0.o
00:28:52	a1titude	haha
00:29:08	B4gder	we do it just for the money
00:29:19	DerPapst	a bit like bigbrother (<−− never watched that)
00:29:21	a1titude	How does it feel beein' watched by rockbox fans from all over the world
00:29:30	scorche	just as long as no one feeds them, it is fine
00:29:32	bluebrother	is it paid good?
00:29:48	*	scorche references the sign that says "please dont feed the code monkeys"
00:29:50	markun	a1titude: weird
00:29:51	B4gder	bluebrother: yes, we pay a lot ;-)
00:30:06	a1titude	haha
00:30:37	bluebrother	oooh ... as I'll be looking for a job in a couple of weeks ...
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00:33:00	Sivart0	YES!
00:33:32	bluebrother	shrinked the partition to 0 bytes?
00:33:44	Sivart0	600kb
00:33:57	DerPapst	lol
00:34:03	bluebrother	and it still works?
00:34:12	Sivart0	appleos = no
00:34:16	Sivart0	rockbox = yes
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00:35:07	ivan	I really hope something for the 5.5gen is out soon
00:35:24	a1titude	the 30 or 80! :p haha jk
00:35:36	ivan	:P
00:36:33	scorche	is amiconn beating up his sister? =O
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00:36:41	amiconn	Nah
00:36:54	amiconn	Just the wav recording plugin doesn't like me yet
00:36:57	B4gder	sorry, we're being paid not to tell
00:37:00	B4gder	:-P
00:37:03	intgr	Where's the webcam?
00:37:06	scorche	what is that huge pot between you two?
00:37:09	*	petur blames the beer
00:37:36	a1titude	ha
00:38:01	a1titude	http://www.rockbox.org/devcon2007/ <- webcams from a link on that page
00:38:08	Mode	"#rockbox +o B4gder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
00:38:10	Topic	"http://www.rockbox.org/devcon2007/" by B4gder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder)
00:38:13	ivan	any idea what can be expected for the 5.5?
00:38:24	courtc	explosions.
00:38:33	scorche	ivan: be patient =)
00:38:43	Mode	"#rockbox -o B4gder " by B4gder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder)
00:38:58	ivan	heh :) sorry just it's making me all burn inside
00:38:59	ivan	lol
00:39:13	scorche	you might want to get that looked at then
00:39:28	ivan	heh
00:39:45	courtc	classy ringers btw.
00:40:01	Sivart0	lalala installing my musics
00:40:10	zivan56	sansa fm is finally getting more precise, still cant centre on stereo frequency though, but accuracy to +- 0.1Mhz now and AFC takes care of the rest
00:41:21	B4gder	nice
00:41:33	midkay	hey mr. core devs (b4gder?) - devcon 2007 weekend logo? :) http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/4474/rockboxdevconnz8.png
00:41:36	intgr	So you all came together just to spend time coding Rockbox? :)
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00:42:03	florin	ok, now ipodpatcher said:
00:42:11	florin	[INFO] Part Start Sector End Sector Size (MB) Type
00:42:12	florin	[INFO] 0 63 48194 94.0 Empty (0x00)
00:42:12	florin	[INFO] 1 48195 14651279 28521.7 W95 FAT32 (0x0b)
00:42:12	florin	[INFO] Ipod model: Video (aka 5th Generation) ("winpod")
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00:42:14	florin	and then died.
00:42:19	florin	am i done yet?
00:42:32	florin	(i.e. is this the "successful" termination?)
00:42:49	Domonoky	florin: this is the self compiled ipodpatcher ?
00:42:59	DerPapst	it "found" your ipod at least
00:43:07	florin	yes, it is.
00:43:13	B4gder	midkay: nice
00:43:20	florin	i "forced" it :-)
00:43:24	Domonoky	if you compile ipodpatcher yourself the bootloaders arnt built in..
00:43:40	florin	ad
00:43:42	florin	ok.
00:43:46	Domonoky	you have to download the bootloader and use the install option
00:43:47	bluebrother	... in which case you also need to specify an action to do
00:43:48	DerPapst	now do ./ipodpatcher [your commands] -a the_bootloader.ipod
00:44:31	florin	the bootloader would be ipodvideo, right?
00:44:45	DerPapst	yep
00:44:57	DerPapst	but you can compile it with the bootlaoders built in
00:45:01	DerPapst	i did ;)
00:45:13	florin	bootloader written to device... now hold your breath :-)
00:45:13	midkay	B4gder: thanks, well, i did one last year and you guys liked it.. thought i'd continue the tradition. :)
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00:45:48	DerPapst	uhh.. time stapms on the webcam
00:45:51	B4gder	in place
00:45:55	bluebrother	ah, nice
00:46:12	bluebrother	add the current svn revision number too ;-)
00:46:13	homielowe	B4dger: looks nice
00:46:21	a1titude	yeah
00:46:38	*	Sivart0 holds breath
00:46:41	midkay	B4gder: yay. :)
00:46:47	Sivart0	it feels funny O_o
00:46:55	florin	hangs at apple logo, "No partition found", ipod version 0xffffffff
00:47:01	Sivart0	>_<
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00:47:50	Domonoky	and the second partition is a Fat32 partition ?
00:48:30	florin	i assume, have to check...
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00:49:03	DerPapst	according to his ipodpatcher output it is.
00:49:21	florin	/dev/sdb2 on /mnt type vfat (rw)
00:49:24	florin	(yes, it is)
00:49:49	florin	ls -lda /mnt/.rockbox/
00:49:49	florin	drwxr-xr-x 13 root root 65536 May 17 18:02 /mnt/.rockbox/
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00:50:01	Domonoky	then, i dont know..
00:50:39	DerPapst	but you're getting thos ipod version 0xffffffff from the loader?
00:50:48	DerPapst	*this
00:50:53	florin	yes
00:51:05	DerPapst	mhhh.
00:51:11	DerPapst	the ipdopatcher worked.
00:51:12	florin	probably related to the 5.5g?
00:51:21	DerPapst	but the bootloader fails to read your mbr...
00:51:51	florin	is the MBR supposed to contain verision information?
00:52:13	DerPapst	well.. there is no specail build just for 5.5Gs so the ipodvideo bootloader should work.
00:52:25	florin	remember, i have a cusom MBR :-)
00:52:46	florin	-> no version information, if it was _supposed_ to be there, i'm screwed.
00:52:53	***	Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
00:53:15		Quit jaczehack_deux ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)")
00:53:22	DerPapst	hmm.. might wanna try loader 2? /me hides
00:53:31	DerPapst	*\n
00:53:37	florin	whats loader 2?
00:53:44	DerPapst	iPLs bootloader
00:53:44	bluebrother	IPL's bootloader
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00:54:00	bluebrother	but I don't think that will help
00:54:03	florin	IPL?
00:54:08	Sivart0	ipod linux
00:54:08	bluebrother	Ipod Linux
00:54:12	florin	ah ok.
00:54:16	DerPapst	http://www.ipodlinux.org/images/b/b3/Ipodloader2-2.5.tar.gz
00:54:18	bluebrother	damn. too slow again
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00:54:26	florin	why not.
00:54:30	a1titude	whats the "Store This Frame" button do? In the webcam page now.
00:54:31	Domonoky	it think the best would be, to restore the ipod via windows :-)
00:54:41	DerPapst	this time use the -ab switch
00:54:47	florin	ipodlinux would have been my next bet anyway, if rockbox didn't work :-)
00:54:57	Zagor	a1titude: it's for saving Special Moments(tm)
00:55:03	a1titude	haha
00:55:05	a1titude	Neat
00:55:10	Zagor	although it doesn't quite work yet
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00:55:56	florin	with the loader.bin file, right?
00:56:00	DerPapst	yep
00:56:04	bluebrother	how about a link that opens the webcam in a popup without toolbars and stuff?
00:56:18	DerPapst	i have that already.
00:56:27	DerPapst	but i cut the button :P
00:56:29	florin	lemme first check if the ipod works with the origial fw restored :-)
00:56:36	florin	ok, goes. now ipl
00:56:47	bluebrother	did that for myself and now I have the image without anything around but a black border
00:56:49	DerPapst	just istnall the loader for now
00:56:53	Sivart0	installing rockbox <_<
00:57:02	DerPapst	then try if you can launch rockbox with it
00:57:16	Sivart0	emergency diskmode sucks
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00:57:30	Cyberdog6	not for emergencies...
00:57:50	florin	oh.
00:57:58	florin	not valid FAT superblock
00:58:09	Sivart0	the appleos diskmode is way faster >_<
00:58:10	DerPapst	heh
00:58:12	florin	but i can start into apple os
00:58:18	florin	form there...
00:58:21	florin	:-)
00:58:23	DerPapst	yes...
00:58:31	DerPapst	but apple_os is stored in ram
00:58:36	DerPapst	so it's not a big deal
00:58:43	scorche	does he have to drink that right in front of the camera? =P
00:58:44	florin	yes, i know.
00:58:52	element_g	just noticed the big devcon2007 stamp on the rockboxlogo on the homepage, nice ;)
00:58:55	bluebrother	are children watching?
00:58:59	Cyberdog6	yes#
00:59:01	Cyberdog6	lol
00:59:05	bluebrother	is this show free for kids anyway?
00:59:09	Cyberdog6	I might get a bud
00:59:25	DerPapst	nu duff beer anyone?
00:59:29	DerPapst	:P
00:59:38	scorche	mentioning a "bud" while they are drinking quality beer doesnt do much...
00:59:38	a1titude	haha
01:00
01:00:30	DerPapst	florin: can you show me (us) your modifications to ipodpatcher?
01:00:40	florin	yes, of course
01:00:45	DerPapst	:)
01:00:46	florin	want the complete source?
01:01:07	bluebrother	unified diffs are usually nicer to read
01:01:16	DerPapst	the diff would be ok. but i'm fine with the complete source as well
01:01:20	bluebrother	svn diff <file / folder>
01:02:02	DerPapst	svn diff ipodpatcher > force.patch
01:02:04	DerPapst	or so
01:02:06	DerPapst	:P
01:03:04	bluebrother	argh. Just realized that < and > might be misleading ...
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01:03:44	DerPapst	better use [ and ] then ;)
01:03:53	bluebrother	too late
01:04:02	DerPapst	next time ;)
01:04:06	bluebrother	but they too might have a special meaning ...
01:04:23	florin	(uploading them ... )
01:04:25	DerPapst	true.
01:04:32	DerPapst	(thanks)
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01:05:27	florin	http://www.physik.uni-wuerzburg.de/~bflorin/rockbox/
01:05:53	DerPapst	de
01:06:01	DerPapst	ja nee.. is klar
01:06:07	florin	:-)
01:06:20	florin	bowling-cafe.ro is down, for some reason :-p
01:07:04	florin	however, there's the files now
01:08:02		Quit mpeccorini ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby")
01:08:12	bluebrother	och, noch mehr? ;-)
01:08:20	bluebrother	btw, you can combine multiple files in one diff
01:08:52	*	florin new to diff... it's patch that i have extensive experience with :-p
01:09:53	bluebrother	it's the same −− just the other side ;-)
01:10:04	florin	there are some strange formatting issues here and there −− mainly because some brain-dead emacs settings i had enabled by default.
01:10:11	florin	sorry for that.
01:10:28	DerPapst	:P
01:10:37	bluebrother	like this 1 tab, then 4 spaces to indent?
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01:10:52	*	DerPapst hides
01:10:59	bluebrother	I have seen such strange things with other editors too
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01:11:15	*	florin needs to get a decent editor... ed or so.
01:11:26	*	bluebrother suggests gvim
01:11:31	AceNik	which editor do ul sugest to use then ?
01:11:56	florin	the 4 spaces were before i set the emacs indentation to 4 chars
01:12:46	florin	traumatic experience with vi (<- first editor on linux ever, many many years ago :-)
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01:14:06	bluebrother	try the "colored" gvim. It has a gui.
01:14:29	florin	is there a way of finding out what device is the loader trying to load <yourfavoritekernel> from?
01:15:36	bluebrother	oh, another one using LaTeX?
01:16:09	florin	isn't everbody using latex?
01:16:25	toffe82	where are your sleeping bags ?
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01:17:00	DerPapst	florin: from ext2 fat32 hfs+ or even from the fw partition
01:17:38	florin	rockbox can boot hfs+?
01:17:40	DerPapst	or i might have read your question wrong :P
01:17:41	florin	kewl :-)
01:17:45	DerPapst	nope
01:17:47	DerPapst	it can't
01:17:50	florin	i actually meant the device
01:17:58	florin	ah ok
01:18:08	Zagor	the store button works now
01:18:19	DerPapst	i thought you wanted to know what loader 2 is able to read from...
01:18:56	scorche	Zagor: store button?
01:19:12	Zagor	reload the webcam page
01:19:27	Sivart0	yay rockbox ^_^
01:19:27	scorche	ah....hehe
01:19:34	TrueJournals	So... who all is here that's at Devcon?
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01:21:04	Sivart0	appleos no longer exists on my ipod :P
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01:21:17	florin	i'm just trying to figure out why rockbox believes my FAT is faulty
01:21:53	scorche	TrueJournals: mar kun, Linu sN, Za gor, ami conn, pixel ma, pet ur, and Bag der and Cassandra are not in the camera's view (i inserted the space in the names because i didnt want to send out a mass highlight to all of them =/
01:22:24	scorche	Zagor: i hope no one abuses it!
01:22:32	TrueJournals	heh
01:22:53	florin	another question (slighlty off-topic, but somehow related)
01:23:08	florin	is anyone here with enough bandwith to stream ogg music?
01:23:14	bluebrother	should I post the link to that named picture again?
01:23:27	scorche	florin: that is a bit too off-topic...
01:23:38	Zagor	scorche: well it will not store the same image more than once. and we've got 37 gigs free at the moment. so if anyone wants to abuse it, he's going to have to work a bit :-)
01:23:39	florin	ok :-/ sorry...
01:23:40	TrueJournals	bluebrother: Might be a good idea to link to that on the webcam page...
01:23:56	scorche	hehe...alright
01:24:01	LinusN	Zagor: is that a challenge? :-)
01:24:06	Zagor	hehe
01:24:17	*	scorche looks up the code for the button and prepares a script
01:24:33	bluebrother	can't do that, and the picture is somewhat unsuited ;-) http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/DevCon2007.jpg
01:24:54	TrueJournals	ah, hmmm... interesting...
01:25:05	bluebrother	what, you are not saving any picture? ;)
01:25:09	scorche	and Zagor is missing from there
01:25:10	Sivart0	lol@linux
01:25:14	Sivart0	linus*
01:25:20	saratoga	thats pretty funnym
01:25:20	*	Zagor calculates room for approx 822000 images. at 5 images/minute that's 114 days worth...
01:25:21	LinusN	:-)
01:25:56	bluebrother	huh? Next beer "was" at 2:01 but it's still 1:25?
01:26:19	LinusN	oops
01:26:36	bluebrother	you invented a time machine?
01:26:48	bluebrother	(does it run on Rockbox?)
01:26:53	Sivart0	XD
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01:27:02	TrueJournals	awwww.... no iriver H10 represented :'(
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01:27:24	LinusN	my silly vmware is acting up
01:27:35	TrueJournals	Go coLinux ;-)
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01:27:51	AceNik	yup there is no one to represent the H10, im following up with that since the wiki page was made
01:28:11	Sivart0	is anybody representing ipod? =D
01:28:23	TrueJournals	Sivart0: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevCon2007
01:28:35	AceNik	ok guys just out of curiousity how much does your whole trip to sweden cost on an averae for everyone of you , just an average firgure
01:28:42	TrueJournals	mini, nano, and video are represented
01:29:01	Sivart0	w00!
01:29:04	DerPapst	heh.. no 3G. and i have 2 next to me ^^
01:29:13	scorche	AceNik: when i was looking at going from the west coast of the US, it was around 800-1k USD....hence why i am not there =P
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01:30:32	AceNik	how much did the people who already at devcon roughly be spending on the whole trip?
01:31:38	scorche	well, they all live in europe
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01:32:12	petur	AceNik: flight was 172 euro, some smaller sums for various busses and subway, and an unspecified amount on beer ;)
01:32:21	bluebrother	it pretty much depends on where exactly you live and at what time you book
01:33:52	bluebrother	I could like watch flight prices going up
01:34:03	florin	do the bootable-flags play any role in the partitioning?
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01:34:29	Sivart0	idont think so
01:34:39	bluebrother	it's only a flag. Not sure if rockbox checks for it though
01:34:39	*	DerPapst doesn'T know the answer to this question
01:34:57	bluebrother	Windows does when it comes to booting
01:34:58	AceNik	thanks for the info on cost , was thinking somethin but dont think it would work
01:35:51	bluebrother	hmm, the debug screen shows partition information but nothing about the bootable flag
01:35:56	florin	where are the messages produced that i see when the booloader attepts to load rockbox?
01:36:09	florin	the loader code?
01:37:27	amiconn	bluebrother: Rockbox doesn't check for it
01:38:30	amiconn	It doesn't even check for the partition type when it comes to mounting, except for checking that it's not a type 0x05 (extended) partiton
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01:40:47	florin	is the IPL-booloader able to load rockbox?
01:40:59	florin	what would it do?
01:41:00	DerPapst	loader 2 is able to launch rb
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01:41:39	florin	how would it manifest? would rb automatically appear in the menu?
01:41:59	DerPapst	yes.
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01:44:42	Zagor	time to go home
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01:49:38	chrisjs169	anyone on?
01:49:45	florin	yes
01:49:45	Sivart0	yes
01:49:56	AceNik	yes
01:50:01	chrisjs169	ok, i get the idea :P
01:50:06	Sivart0	in theory anyway
01:50:27	chrisjs169	if my screen is cracked (sansa) and I RMA it due to another problem, will they accept it?
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02:01:02	Javacat	Is rockbox extremely accurate at calculating how well charged the battery is in an X5?
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02:01:43	HellDragon	Javacat: :o
02:01:49	Javacat	HellDragon: :o
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02:02:12	hpham	hello
02:03:42	hpham	anyone there?
02:04:02	HellDragon	hi hpham
02:04:17	hpham	hi i was wondering if someone here could help me with a problem
02:04:27	HellDragon	ask
02:04:29	hpham	my rockbox works fine
02:04:31	hpham	but
02:04:32	DerPapst	hpham: not unless you ask
02:04:44	hpham	it wont boot up the apple os
02:04:46	hpham	it keeps rebooting
02:04:52	hpham	i have a 5.5g video
02:04:58	HellDragon	hpham: boot with hold button on hold
02:05:06	hpham	when i do that
02:05:10	hpham	i see the apple logo
02:05:12	hpham	then it reboots
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02:05:23	HellDragon	black screen then reboot ?
02:05:23	ivan	Hmm waiting something for 5.5 i sout?
02:05:27	DerPapst	how did you install the bootloader?
02:05:35	ivan	I thought 5.5 isn't supported yet
02:05:39	HellDragon	ivan: it is
02:05:42	HellDragon	i run rockbox on my 5.5
02:05:44	DerPapst	5.5G 80GB is not
02:05:45	DerPapst	30GB is
02:05:55	HellDragon	60gb works too i think
02:06:01	hpham	first i installed loader2 v2.5 then i had the same problem when i selected Apple OS from that bootloader menu
02:06:03	DerPapst	there is no 5.5G 60GB
02:06:05	hpham	so i downloaded ipod patcher
02:06:16	hpham	and i installed it through there using hte i command after it found my ipod
02:06:24	ivan	5.5g is 80gb
02:06:32	hpham	i have a 30g
02:06:39	DerPapst	*GB
02:07:16	Llorean	ivan: 5.5G is available in both 30gb and 80gb models
02:07:26	hpham	any clue how to fix it?
02:07:30	ivan	I don't think it is
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02:07:46	ivan	because 5.5g is the 80GB
02:07:46	DerPapst	restore the firmware and use ipodpatcher from the beginning
02:07:55	ivan	Nano 2nd gen and 80GB Video 5.5th gen are not supported)
02:08:04	LinusN	nope
02:08:16	hpham	: ( lol any other way?
02:08:18	DerPapst	s/nope/yes
02:08:47	LinusN	there are 5.5G's in 30 and 60GB sizes, and they work with rockbox
02:08:48	Llorean	ivan: Trust me. 5.5G is not JUST the 80gb.
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02:09:22	DerPapst	LinusN: the 60GB video model is 5G
02:09:32	LinusN	oh
02:09:46	DerPapst	the 30GB one can either be 5G or 5.5G
02:09:52	kkurbjun	markun, are you around?
02:10:02	markun	kkurbjun: more or less
02:10:11	kkurbjun	: )
02:10:18	ivan	wouldn't the 30GB the 5g?
02:10:24	markun	kkurbjun: you can even watch me being more or less around on the webcam
02:10:25	ivan	gah i'm so lost
02:10:35	ivan	I'm about to give up on G
02:11:25	Llorean	ivan: There were 5Gs in 30gb and 60gb, then 5.5Gs in 30gb and 80gb
02:11:35	Llorean	The drive in the 5.5G 30gb is formatted differently than the 5G one
02:11:41	kkurbjun	how do you feel about this latest patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6920, we discussed it earlier today/yesterday
02:11:49	ivan	ahh ok
02:11:53	kkurbjun	yeah, which one are you on the cam?
02:12:13	ivan	Llorean: sorry about that then.. sorry for arguing with you
02:12:17	LinusN	kkurbjun: check the link on the bottom of the page
02:12:32	ivan	because I was thinking that only thr 5.5g was the 80GB ver
02:12:41	scorche	kkurbjun: also look for the beard =P
02:13:01	florin	how do youknow which version is which? does the ipod say it somehow?
02:13:05	scorche	...the darker beard
02:13:08	kkurbjun	Linusn, nice photo :)
02:13:10	florin	(how can i tell?)
02:13:26	DerPapst	florin: 2048bytes per sector is 5.5G
02:13:29	DerPapst	512 is 5G
02:14:10	LinusN	kkurbjun: :-)
02:14:11	florin	ok.
02:14:13	florin	thanks
02:14:32	DerPapst	or for those with no clue about sectorsizes: If Johnny Depp from Pirates of the Caribbean is on the front of your iPod packaging, it is a 5.5G. If Bono from U2 is on the packaging then it's a 5G iPod.
02:15:13	cynicalliberal	LOL
02:15:29	florin	holy sh... i just trashed my linux system.
02:15:33	cynicalliberal	that's an interesting way to tell the difference
02:15:37	DerPapst	uh ohh
02:15:40	Sivart0	florin: good :D
02:15:41	florin	copied the ipod-linux to root...
02:15:47	cynicalliberal	>.<
02:15:58	DerPapst	ohh..
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02:16:07	DerPapst	linus has something interesting there
02:16:41	homielowe	so why everyone congregating?
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02:17:19	scorche	homielowe: because it is the euro devcon time!
02:17:40	homielowe	scorche: I meant webcam
02:17:52	scorche	what about the webcam?
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02:18:29	DerPapst	do rockbox devs need to sleep as well? doesn't seem so. :P 3:20am
02:18:43	LinusN	florin: how many logos are there on the back of your ipod (the CE markings etc)?
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02:19:24	florin	which one is the back? the one with johnny depp? two: the apple and the iPod logo
02:19:36	LinusN	my 5.5G has only a crossed-over trashcan and the CE marking
02:19:37	florin	iPod logo == "iPod" string
02:19:56	LinusN	but my 5G has several other logos
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02:20:31	florin	the trashcan an CE appear on the bottom edge
02:20:36	florin	(on my package)
02:20:45	LinusN	i mean on the ipod itself
02:21:19	florin	the fruit, "iPod", the trashcan, CE and the (30 GB) hint
02:21:42	florin	the very bottom line is just trashcan+CE
02:21:52	LinusN	like my 5.5g
02:21:56	DerPapst	FC, CE, VCI and a ceck sign on my 80GB 5.5G
02:22:14	LinusN	damn :-)
02:22:16	DerPapst	no trashcan
02:22:36	florin	actually, my trashcan is slashed ducks
02:22:38	LinusN	i thought i was on to something
02:23:07	Llorean	Yeah, that "Do not throw this away" thing
02:23:50	LinusN	http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61688
02:24:06	LinusN	You can distinguish the Fifth Generation iPod (Late 2006) from the original Fifth Generation iPod by the last three digits of the serial number. The Fifth Generation iPod (Late 2006) serial number's last three digits will be one of the following: V9K, V9P, V9M, V9R, V9L, V9N, V9Q, V9S, WU9, WUA, WUB, WUC, and X3N. The Fifth Generation U2 Special Edition iPod (30 GB Late 2006) serial number's last three digits are W9G.
02:24:54	florin	V9M
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02:25:41	LinusN	there you go
02:25:51	florin	does anybody know some apt-get magic that could provide me with some sane linux again? as soon as i shut down the computer, i'm not going to be able to reboot again...
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02:26:04	LinusN	why not?
02:26:19	ivan	hmm I have V9R heh
02:26:21	florin	as i said: i just copied the ipodlinux-fs into /
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02:26:35	florin	:'
02:26:44	LinusN	wow
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02:26:58	florin	maybe some base-package dpkg or something...
02:27:09	LinusN	i have no idea
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02:27:29	Sivart0	how did you screw up your linux?
02:27:31	Joely	florin, you could possibly do a debootstrap system....
02:28:08	florin	what's da debootstrap?
02:29:00	Joely	it'll download the base packages and everything....then you can chroot into it
02:29:26	kkurbjun	markun, did you get that link?
02:29:46	florin	Sivart0: cp work/ipodlinux/fs/* -dpR /mnt/
02:30:23	florin	_but_ /mnt was a mountpoint for /dev/sda3 instead of /dev/sdb3... which just happens to be my linux root partition.
02:30:52	Sivart0	>_> oh fun
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02:36:03	florin	Joely: how's this debootstrap supposed to work? i assume i'd have to boot from CD, right? and have the files somewhere handy (i can download them using TheOtherOS...)
02:36:52	Sivart0	yo umean windows?
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02:37:03	florin	macos :-)
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02:39:57	Joely	no, i meant from the computer you're on now, just put in a large flash drive or something and do something like `debootstrap _suite_of_debian_ /target/drive' that'll download the files from the web. then just use kexec to boot right back into the kernel of the new system, then copy the flash drive to where it should be (the root partition)
02:40:23	Joely	pm me if you still need help
02:41:23	kkurbjun	markun, also as a note, I think I have a gigabeat now that exhibits those problems run into with the sc606 changes and the USB bootloader mode. I have a patch on the bootloader problem, I want to test it out more, and I want to make sure I run into the freezing problem on shutdown with the updated sc606 driver, but now I can at least test against 2.0 and 3.0 OF
02:41:29	aliask	Hi everyone at devcon! Can I get a wave?
02:41:32	florin	i can't −− my coreutils are already unusable −− i'm stuck with whatever application i have running now (that would be firefox, xchat and a bunch of useless xterms... :-' )
02:41:56	florin	i think i'll think it through tomorrow some time, with some live CD or something.
02:42:20	florin	for now, i'll grab a beer and then go to bed.
02:43:19	florin	but thanks for the debootstrap-hint, i just googled for it. i think you might just have saved me a week's time of software reinstalls...
02:43:22	florin	:-)
02:43:34	Joely	np
02:44:01	*	petur waves at aliask
02:45:23	florin	g'night everybody, thanks for the help with rockbox so far
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02:53:31	XavierGr	ah devcon hackers with rockbox t-shirts! :D
02:53:43	DerPapst	nearly 4am and there are still rb devs awake o.O
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02:54:35	DerPapst	anyways. good night at all
02:54:49	pixelma	DerPapst: I thought you were in Germany? I would be surprised if Dresden was 1 hour ahead
02:55:31	DerPapst	it's 3am here
02:55:49	DerPapst	i thought it's 4am in stockholm
02:56:22	pixelma	nope ... I didn't have to adjust my clock
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02:57:27	DerPapst	heh.. same timezone then
02:57:28	*	petur kicks linux
02:57:45	XavierGr	ah is that petur in the leftmost front of the picture?
02:57:55	Sivart0	yes petur, kick linux
02:57:56	scorche	yes
02:58:04	Sivart0	make it hurt
02:58:06	XavierGr	wow! that's a lot of bottles in front of him! :P
02:58:13	Sivart0	i wanna see
02:58:15	Sivart0	XD
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02:58:23	scorche	Sivart0: topic
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02:58:30	petur	hi XavierGr
02:58:39	XavierGr	hello! nice to see you on devcon
02:58:44	jimmymac	good morning chaps
02:58:55	XavierGr	I wonder how you can program with all this alchohol! hehe
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02:59:12	LinusN	XavierGr: easy, we don't drink it :-)
02:59:28	Sivart0	alcohol kills off weak brain cells
02:59:38	Sivart0	causing the brain to work more efficently
02:59:43	petur	leaves you with only the good ones...
02:59:44	LinusN	:-)
02:59:45	DerPapst	haha
02:59:48	jimmymac	may I ask, what does it mean if my nano is able to play music using both the original firmware and rockbox, appears to function perfectly, yet cannot be accessed in windows (I'm prompted to format it...)?
02:59:49	XavierGr	I guess you are keeping it for those so called "devcon conferences" :D
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03:00:02	LinusN	yeah, i still have my good brain cell left
03:00:16	Sivart0	cell?
03:00:22	Sivart0	as in singular? :D
03:00:29	LinusN	yup
03:00:32	XavierGr	oh amiconn is packing up! are you calling it a day?
03:00:44	LinusN	a night, really
03:00:53	XavierGr	yeah I mean the end of it :P
03:01:03	scorche	Bag.der, zagor, and cassandra already left
03:01:28	XavierGr	what time is it there? 2am (it is 4 am here just got back)
03:01:37	LinusN	3
03:01:41	scorche	XavierGr: look in the lower right corner ;)
03:01:48	XavierGr	oops :)
03:01:51	XavierGr	dummy me
03:01:54	DerPapst	hehe
03:02:02	XavierGr	well it is rather late there too
03:02:07	DerPapst	good night at all
03:02:12	Sivart0	somebody do something stupid :D
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03:02:46	XavierGr	someone make a face at us...
03:02:53	Sivart0	:D
03:03:16	scorche	XavierGr: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/DevCon2007.jpg
03:03:34	Sivart0	XD
03:03:36	Sivart0	ahh
03:03:38	Sivart0	i gtg
03:03:42	Sivart0	laters everybody
03:03:48	Sivart0	have fun devcon peoples
03:04:09	XavierGr	ROFL
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03:05:52	XavierGr	what will you leave for a night picture? I remember a nano with plasma plugin playing all night last year
03:08:25	XavierGr	ah it seems they all left! Goodnight...
03:09:21	LinusN	yup, time to shut down the webcam, night all!
03:09:36	scorche	g'night
03:09:44	scorche	see you in...7 hours?
03:09:54	LinusN	something like that
03:10:50	markun	nighty
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03:12:54	petur	yawn
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07:22:54	ThePredator	I have rockbox on my Ipod nano; for a while I have been able to mount it and put files on it correctly in ubuntu. But for some reason it will only mount it read only
07:23:06	ThePredator	I have tried manually mounting it with -w
07:23:12	ThePredator	but that doesn't work
07:23:22	ThePredator	How do I get it to mount it read-write?
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07:29:52	ThePredator	dosfsck says this
07:29:55	ThePredator	dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN
07:29:55	ThePredator	There are differences between boot sector and its backup.
07:29:55	ThePredator	Differences: (offset:original/backup)
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08:08:12	cadu	yahooo! rockbox conference!
08:08:26	cadu	i can immagine what the guys are doing!
08:09:22	cadu	giving a big party, no, a rave, to test the new random song code, and the party mode, and crossfading, all with beer and whatever! whoa, nice way to test code!
08:09:26	cadu	:P
08:12:28	scorche	they are...sleeping..
08:12:37	cadu	:'(
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09:24:04	RockingD	hello. are there any docs on codec structure?
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10:31:00	JdGordon	hey all
10:31:06	petur	heya
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10:32:11	JdGordon	hows devcon going?
10:32:24	bluebrother	morning :)
10:32:33	markun	JdGordon: webcam is almost back again
10:32:38	scorche	ooo...yay
10:32:43	JdGordon	skype?
10:33:06	scorche	i was offering to make a conference, but i need a volunteer computer there =P
10:33:18	*	petur is on gizmo
10:35:46	bluebrother	picture!
10:35:49	bluebrother	\o/
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10:37:35	scorche	who is hiding in the back there?
10:37:48	LinusN	anders
10:39:00	scorche	LinusN: so do you have a computer there you can install skype on with a mic and speakers?
10:40:17	LinusN	skype sounds like a bag of shit anyway
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10:41:03	scorche	=/
10:42:12	LinusN	i can see that people seem to be obsessed with two things; beer and skype
10:42:34	petur	beer is good though ;)
10:42:51	LinusN	tastes better than a headset
10:42:55	*	bluebrother agrees
10:42:56	scorche	well, it would be nice for when you guys are talking about decisions to be made and such, so others can pipe in too
10:43:13	bluebrother	setup a shoutcast ;-)
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10:43:25	jaczehack	skype is teh shite
10:43:40	LinusN	well said anders
10:44:50	scorche	hmph....no fun, you are
10:44:55	bluebrother	btw, I noticed that the devcon html page is missing the closing html tag. Not that it matters ...
10:45:57	pixelma	bluebrother: trying to find a good way to get rid of "hard disks" mentioned in manuals for the flash based players. Is there or would there be a possibility to have something in the platform files to use as "\opt" - or do you have a better idea?
10:46:41	LinusN	bluebrother: fixed
10:46:49	LinusN	you can close the report
10:47:01	bluebrother	LinusN, closed :D
10:47:19	JdGordon	LinusN: everyone is obsessed with beer.. the skype is for us cheap buggers who want to participate int he discussions (?) without having to shhuot really loudly...
10:47:25	bluebrother	pixelma, I think introducing a \disk macro in the platform files would be the easiest.
10:47:53	bluebrother	similar to the \dap macro
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10:50:41	pixelma	ok... I'll look into it but I guess it'll turn out to be more work than I would've imagined (if done right, I should replace workarounds that are possibly there atm)
10:51:13	bluebrother	right. But no better idea here.
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10:57:29	AceNik	hey guys good mornign hows it goin?
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10:58:27	petur	yawn
10:58:31	desowin	23:50 the biggest tower of Rockbox ever built ;-) <- what was this ? any photo ?
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11:15:21	B4gder	pics coming up
11:17:42	LinusN	ok, we now have a link to the tower of rockbox picture
11:18:28	JdGordon	haha
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11:19:15	desowin	just what I thought
11:19:17	desowin	great
11:19:21	scorche	LinusN: sounds like a challenge =P
11:20:05	desowin	expensive 'cards' used in it lol
11:20:44	B4gder	that's actually not all targets present
11:26:29	bluebrother	that picture of the agenda was blurry :o
11:26:43	B4gder	hehe indeed
11:27:20	bluebrother	at least it seems the agenda itself isn't that blurry ;-)
11:28:21	JdGordon	whos the dafkanic not wearing his rb tshirt?
11:28:42	bluebrother	what is "dafkanic"?
11:28:52	*	JdGordon couldnt think of a decent english work for that :'(
11:29:09	JdGordon	someone who does everything different fjust to be different :
11:29:21	LinusN	devcon time! down to the conference room
11:29:24	bluebrother	ah.
11:29:54	scorche	take a computer with skype with you!
11:30:00	petur	dada
11:30:01	bluebrother	we're loosing them! aaah!
11:30:06	JdGordon	this is the part we want skype :'(
11:30:08	AceNik	can anyone gimme the link to the tshirts shop
11:30:11	bluebrother	take the webcam with you ;-)
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11:30:46	scorche	they are gone =(
11:30:47	JdGordon	nows our chance.. someone go and nick all their daps :p
11:31:00	Hansmaulwurf	lol
11:31:06	AceNik	lol
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11:31:48	scorche	bah...no one stored an image of the agenda?
11:31:52	*	JdGordon wishes toni would come on irc :'(
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11:40:19	JdGordon	B4gder: a rat just ran through the room......
11:40:53	JdGordon	and took a bit out of one of the laptops
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15:14:09	JdGordon	hey barrywardell
15:14:43	barrywardell	hey
15:14:54	JdGordon	hope you dont mind me putting the partition dumpiong code into the bootloader code? I installed rockbox on my dads e200 and it had a different OF version so i tried to get the dump to fiure out the byte to change
15:15:17	JdGordon	.... but recovery mode screwed up so i lost the old OF and didnt get a abckup... so i'll never know :p
15:15:29	barrywardell	I noticed it. I think it's handy to have it in there
15:15:40	Sivart0	>_>
15:16:07	JdGordon	fortunalty pastebin still had it and google kicks ass :)
15:16:40	barrywardell	maybe someone with some spare time will be able to run through and the dump all the firmware versions
15:17:14	JdGordon	lots of spare time...
15:17:30	JdGordon	I was goin to do it for the latest version of the OF, but its a windows only install and im on linux
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15:18:40	barrywardell	you can get a zip file of most versions from the anythingbutipod forums
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15:25:37	JdGordon	hey Toni1
15:25:47	Toni1	JdGordon: I checked your sd-card patch: Your new timeout check caused the problems here.
15:25:59	JdGordon	ok, I figured as much...
15:26:20	Toni1	arg1 and arg2 should be exchanged :)
15:26:21	JdGordon	so its taking longer than 5s to get the main chip setup?
15:26:35	Toni1	no the check is wrong
15:27:02	JdGordon	in TIME_AFTER?
15:27:02	Toni1	But additionally my d-card sometimes need more than 5s to detect
15:27:07	Toni1	yes
15:27:15	JdGordon	ah, bugger... always get that one confused
15:27:21	Toni1	:)
15:27:36	JdGordon	do we put a retry in after a fwe sec or something?
15:27:57	Toni1	or extend the timeout time here?
15:28:23	bluebrother	more than 5 seconds to initialize a sd card?
15:28:36	*	JdGordon rekons Toni1's card is buggered
15:28:45	Toni1	Would be interesting, if only I get this long detection time or others as well
15:29:02	Toni1	bluebrother: yes :(
15:29:16	JdGordon	shuold we be handling errors properly? instead of just returning?
15:29:21	bluebrother	how are you trying to initialize the card? Repeating ACMD41?
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15:29:53	Toni1	ACMD41?
15:30:28	Toni1	ah, yes ACND41
15:30:28	bluebrother	CMD55 followed by CMD41
15:30:48	bluebrother	have you tried switching to CMD1 after ACMD41?
15:30:56	bluebrother	I had a case where this helped greatly
15:31:14	Toni1	ok, will try later
15:32:56	Toni1	do you know, what CMD1 does?
15:33:02	JdGordon	Toni1: another thing to try, ata-e200.c:704, check ifdisk_mount()==0 and if it does retry it a few times?
15:33:20	JdGordon	I'm not sureif it willl or not bcause the card init returns void?
15:34:14	bluebrother	Toni1, this page might help: http://elm-chan.org/docs/mmc/mmc_e.html
15:34:31	Toni1	ok, thanks
15:34:46	bluebrother	it sums up some things from the sd specs quite shortly
15:35:24	DerPapst	whee.. webcam activity :)
15:35:43	bluebrother	no ... devcon activity ;-)
15:36:19	*	petur burps a bit
15:36:21	TrueJournals	Anyone know what the people at devcon are working on?
15:36:43	JdGordon	Toni1: i.e http://pastebin.ca/496787
15:36:43	petur	nopei
15:36:50	DerPapst	no. they don't even know that theirselfs
15:36:59	TrueJournals	Didn't think so ;-)
15:37:43	bluebrother	the SD Specifications Part 1 - Physical Layer Simplified Specification is also really interesting. It's linked on the SDC entry at wikipedia
15:37:43	JdGordon	petur: anything interesting get discussed? or did you all just drink the beer the whole time?
15:38:03	petur	no beer (just a local one for lunch)
15:38:19	petur	lots of discussion, some more to do soon
15:38:22	bluebrother	oh, those hackers get younger all the time :)
15:38:35	petur	some pics coming up
15:38:58	*	JdGordon wonders if a yield() shold go in that retry loop
15:41:10	DerPapst	it's even in the ipod video driver because bcm_finishup takes 4ms ;)
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15:43:14	Llorean	bluebrother: What did Colombo's deleted post say? Was it offensive or just stupid?
15:43:39	bluebrother	Llorean, what post? I haven't deleted one
15:43:54	Llorean	Hm
15:44:10	bluebrother	and I can't remember reading one Colombo-post recently
15:44:12	Llorean	Oh, I misread the log
15:44:25	Llorean	I was looking at the last post I deleted of his.
15:44:26	Llorean	Okay
15:44:45	Llorean	There's a moderation log, it shows who performs moves/deletions, but doesn't give me the content of deleted posts.
15:44:50	Llorean	I misread it.
15:44:58	bluebrother	ah. No problem ...
15:45:17	Llorean	I got a PM from Colombo this morning, and was surprised that he hadn't posted again, checked the log, saw a deleted post of his in it, and misread it.
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15:45:40	JdGordon	Toni1: ah crap.. sort of good news... it just froze doing a insert with one of my cards...
15:46:31	Llorean	To be honest I was slightly hoping there was an excuse to ban him. Ah well, I'm sure he's going to reach that point soon, but I don't want to ban someone just because I suspect they're going to go too far.
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15:47:48	JdGordon	Toni1: and bugger... couldnt reproduce after reset, and ive done about 20 hotplugs now with 2 sansas and 2 cards and only had the one crash...
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15:55:07	Toni1	JdGordon: so I'm not the only one :)
15:55:50	JdGordon	i tinhk thats about the 4th crash ive had since you got it working... so Its not easy really helkpful
15:57:10	JdGordon	yep, just did another batch of mass hotswapping and al worked fine...
15:57:24	JdGordon	probably going ot break the locking mechanism if i keep doig this :p
15:57:59	Toni1	probably I did already :)
15:58:41	*	petur uploaded some pics at http://users.telenet.be/petur/devcon2007/ and nudges Bagder
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16:00:46	JdGordon	ok.. the whiteboard pics got me curious...
16:01:25	JdGordon	dealing with the 32/64mb ipods?
16:01:31	petur	yups
16:01:34	B4gder	10 points to JdGordon
16:01:48	petur	out of 100 :p
16:01:55	JdGordon	hehe doh!
16:02:05	B4gder	:*)
16:05:25	JdGordon	Toni1: card->initialized is never actually checked to make sure its inited?
16:05:26	DerPapst	hehe... amiconn look like he doesn't like the idea of whomever. http://users.telenet.be/petur/devcon2007/images/dscf0004.jpg
16:05:38	DerPapst	*looks
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16:09:15	Toni1	JdGordon: only in the debug_screen I think
16:09:33	JdGordon	I've added some checks to read/write_sectors
16:09:42	JdGordon	no sureif it will d anytthing though
16:11:00	Sivart0	backness! ^_^
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16:12:11	Toni1	I tried CMD1 here, but I always get freezes.
16:12:24	JdGordon	Toni1: http://pastebin.ca/496857 is the relevant changes from ata-e200.c
16:12:36	JdGordon	I dunno if they will do anything, but shuold probably be added anyway
16:12:51	JdGordon	.. into svn even, unless there is better error handling that could be done?
16:13:43	JdGordon	ignore that 2nd message, not needed untill the sdcard is being used
16:15:23	JdGordon	hmm... maybe I do need to find the db rebuild byte after all :(
16:16:00	Toni1	JdGordon: Did you already have a discussion with other devs reagrding the 'microSD1' name?
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16:17:07	JdGordon	no, havnt spoken to anyon about it
16:17:36	Toni1	So you don't like SDCARD1?
16:18:41	JdGordon	may as well do SD1 then
16:19:34	Toni1	probably it's a matter of personal preference :)
16:19:59	JdGordon	yeah
16:21:02	JdGordon	grr... jhMikeS broke the bootloader.. buttons arnt read
16:21:05	Llorean	jhMikeS: Around?
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16:23:05	JdGordon	is GPIOF_INT_CLR = GPIOF_INT_STAT; in button_int() bad in the bootloader if the interrupts arnt enabled?
16:24:13	DerPapst	yay! my 'pod is fixed :-D exchanged mobo and headphone ribbon cable :-)
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16:33:12	JdGordon	damn dumping the partition takes ages
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16:40:28	Llorean	JdGordon: Going to compare it with a dump while USB connected to look for the don't rescan bit?
16:41:51	JdGordon	done already.... but I have 3 changed bytes
16:41:57	JdGordon	and noe change to 01..
16:42:11	JdGordon	-007839f0 14 00 00 00 1c 38 00 00 05 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 \|.....8..........\|
16:42:11	JdGordon	+007839f0 14 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 \|................\|
16:42:26	JdGordon	1c 38 or 05....
16:42:35	JdGordon	cant remember what the other 2 looked like :(
16:42:40	Llorean	Ah
16:42:42	Llorean	=/
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16:43:20	Llorean	Of course, if you just wait for us to have a USB stack, it won't matter so much any more. ;)
16:43:29	JdGordon	this is faster...
16:44:44	Llorean	Bagder: ld on 5G Bootloader and Sim
16:46:02	B4gder	hm
16:46:34	B4gder	ah
16:46:42	*	B4gder hits petur's forehead
16:47:23	*	petur takes beerbottle....
16:47:32	B4gder	I _did_ have to modify the build script
16:48:40	B4gder	btw, try the release link on the site now
16:49:04	Llorean	That makes me quite happy
16:49:36	B4gder	should make it harder for users to get it by accident
16:49:58	JdGordon	B4gder: doesnt that imply that the current builds are more supported than we want them to belive?
16:50:08	B4gder	no
16:50:15	Llorean	We accept bug reports on current builds.
16:50:16	B4gder	they're more supported than 2.5 is I'd say
16:50:20	Llorean	They really are more supported than 2.5
16:50:37	ptw419	is devcon still going?
16:50:57	B4gder	yes
16:51:06	B4gder	we con lots of devs
16:51:08	JdGordon	no, I mean, dont we keep saying that the current builds are development builds and not nesaccerily ready for users?
16:51:33	ptw419	heh
16:51:34	B4gder	well yes possibly
16:51:40	B4gder	but 2.5 is for Archos only
16:51:51	B4gder	and even for Archoses, a current build is what we recommend
16:53:11	JdGordon	right, but then that page does say that the current build is "ready" for users... maybe add a note that there may be horrible bugs int he current build?
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17:23:09	DerPapst	hmm.. anyone knows how to increase the contrast on 3G iPods (except using the setting in the fw).
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17:27:25	jac0b	I am trying to use mediacoder but can't get it to notice the rockbox extensiont
17:27:31	jac0b	extenstions*
17:28:05	jac0b	what folder do I put the extensions in?
17:28:38	ptw419	does anyone know of a program that will dump only machine code of a program?
17:28:50	ptw419	a disassembler i mean
17:28:52	B4gder	objdump
17:28:54	Llorean	jac0b: It looks like it says on the wiki page.
17:29:15	ptw419	yeah, objdump dumps the code as well...maybe i can use a script to edit this out....
17:29:17	jac0b	I tried that but there is not folder C:\Program Files\MediaCoder\extensions\
17:29:22	Llorean	There's also the beginnings of an ARM disassembler in the patch tracker, right?
17:29:36	Llorean	jac0b: Well then figure out where you installed mediacoder to.
17:29:50	jac0b	I installed the defaults
17:29:54	Llorean	jac0b: It's not our software, and someone just added that to the wiki page, so this isn't really the right place to ask for help about how to properly install extensions for it
17:30:05	jac0b	I found and extenstions folder in C:\Program Files\MediaCoder\htdocs\extensions
17:30:28	alienbiker99	is anybody selling a working h120 board?
17:30:34	jac0b	alright I will try the mediacoder forums
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17:39:35	toffe82	cell phone are not allowed in the class room :)
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17:42:18	B4gder	linus talks to his daughter...
17:44:07	Llorean	B4gder: Can we by chance get a decision about the H100 record button during devcon? It seems people are beginning to talk about it again.
17:44:33	B4gder	a good idea
17:44:37	Llorean	I think almost everyone will agree long press going to the recording screen is a decent idea. It's short press that's the more debatable one (ideas include: Playlist viewer or FM Radio)
17:44:47	*	B4gder adds it to his agenda paper
17:44:51	Llorean	Thankee
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17:46:44	toffe82	perhaps this was asked before, but is there a way that the plug ins used the selected font, I have problem with some plugins because the font is really small ?
17:47:09	Sivart0	what does that paper say?
17:47:21	B4gder	the agenda with my notes on
17:47:32	B4gder	but it isn't really visible on th ecam
17:47:37	Sivart0	ahhh
17:50:05	Sivart0	lol @ Cassandra's face
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18:07:03	AceNik	hehe
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18:53:02	andrewy	has anyone used a toshiba gigabeat meg-f40 with rockbox? does it work fine?
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18:53:34	toffe82	yes, it works really good
18:54:08	toffe82	particularly the mpeg viewer
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18:55:07	andrewy	does it work with last.fm like the iriver?
18:56:13	B4gder	yes
18:56:21	Llorean	Features of Rockbox that don't depend on special hardware (like a color screen, or an FM Radio) are nearly identical on all non-Archos players
18:57:26	andrewy	ah, cool
18:58:26	andrewy	my iriver won't start unless its plugged in, but if I plug it in to turn it on and then unplug it, it can run for a long time. anyone have any idea why that would be?
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18:58:50	andrewy	I would think it was a dead battery, but it runs on the battery fine once I plug it in to start it
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19:01:31	LinusN	andrewy: which model?
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19:02:39	andrewy	LinusN: h320
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19:03:07	andrewy	it happens with the official firmware too, and i've tried several different versions
19:04:32	LinusN	i guess the PCF50606 powerbutton input is broken
19:04:47	LinusN	so the CPU can sense the button but not the pcf50606
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19:04:59	andrewy	anything I can do to fix that?
19:05:08	LinusN	unfortunately not
19:05:30	LinusN	(provided my theory is correct of course)
19:05:40	andrewy	it fits
19:05:49	andrewy	i'll just get a gigabeat then
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19:06:55	markun	andrewy: join the club :)
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19:10:55	a1titude	Is there any close-up shots of cassandras computer? It looks kinda intresting...
19:11:36	petur	Iĺl take a pic
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19:13:02	Nico_P	what kind of computer is it ?
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19:13:36	petur	tablet pc
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19:15:26	petur	http://users.telenet.be/petur/DSCF0034.JPG (rotate it yourself ;) )
19:15:35	TrueJournals	OK... Do I need to do something to get the test_codec plugin to compile correctly? I added it to FILES... do I need to do something else?
19:15:39	TrueJournals	*SOURCES
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19:16:19	TrueJournals	So THAT'S what the projecter shows... ;-)
19:16:44	a1titude	thats pretty neat!
19:17:37	a1titude	Thats a good camera too!
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19:20:06	bluebrother	TrueJournals, you need to add it to viewers.config
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19:20:18	element_g	midkay here?
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19:21:55	petur	a1titude: pic taken without flash (slow shutter speed), good thing we haven't started on the beer yet ;)
19:22:10	a1titude	haha
19:22:19	TrueJournals	bluebrother: Still getting errors while compiling: http://www.pastebin.ca/497126
19:25:25	Mode	"#rockbox +o Cassandra " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
19:25:32	Topic	"#rockbox http://www.rockbox.org/devcon2007/ - the badgers still haven't arrived yet." by Cassandra (n=Cassandr@dhcp101.contactor.se)
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19:26:35	TrueJournals	bluebrother: any idea?
19:28:24	Llorean	TrueJournals: What target are you compiling for?
19:28:45	TrueJournals	Llorean: h10
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19:29:40	Llorean	And I assume the usual caveats of "clean build directory, no other patches" applies?
19:29:52	TrueJournals	Yes
19:30:04	TrueJournals	Let me try getting a fresh SVN, just to make sure
19:31:02	Llorean	You can check for modified files with "svn st"
19:31:15	TrueJournals	didn't think about that ;-\
19:31:18	TrueJournals	*:-\
19:33:52	TrueJournals	trying to compile again...
19:35:08	Llorean	Definitely doesn't work
19:35:26	Llorean	You'll just need to fix the button mappings
19:35:32	Llorean	Since I guess the H10 doesn't have a BUTTON_SELECT
19:35:43	B4gder	yes, looks like that
19:35:50	TrueJournals	Heh
19:36:02	Llorean	With the H10 slider, couldn't we make a short tap of the very center "Select"
19:36:07	Llorean	Kinda like on the Toshiba cross?
19:36:17	TrueJournals	Well, I would make the "O" button "Select"
19:36:40	Llorean	I thought the H10 had less buttons than other targets already
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19:36:59	TrueJournals	Well, I don't really know what other buttons are being used there that would interfere
19:37:15	Llorean	B4gder: Your commit broke things
19:38:20	Llorean	Hm, the Circle button is already referred to as "Select" in the manual
19:38:27	*	Llorean wonders why the define isn't BUTTON_SELECT then
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19:38:36	TrueJournals	Which is why I was thinking that's how we should have it...
19:38:44	TrueJournals	it's used for the right button in some plugins
19:38:57	TrueJournals	Where would this need to be defined?
19:39:09	B4gder	in the test plugin
19:39:25	B4gder	I mean, within the code there is no SELECT right now
19:40:01	B4gder	see firmware/target/arm/iriver/h10/button-target.h
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19:40:38	TrueJournals	It's because it's defined as BUTTON_RIGHT
19:40:56	*	bluebrother returns
19:41:17	TrueJournals	But if I just do a define of BUTTON_SELECT and map it to the same thing as BUTTON_RIGHT, would it work fine?
19:41:24	B4gder	yes
19:41:38	B4gder	#define BUTTON_SELECT BUTTON_RIGHT
19:43:01	TrueJournals	Well, it compiles fine now... There won't be any complications with that, will there? (Or can't you say?)
19:43:22	B4gder	I doubt that, but I haven't looked at the code
19:43:29	TrueJournals	ok
19:43:30	bluebrother	nice to see this amount of tasks getting closed :)
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19:47:03	a1titude	How do you developers feel the devcon is going?
19:47:10	B4gder	yeah, just wait for all the "please re-open this" request to fly in ;-)
19:47:50	B4gder	a1titude: apart from Linus' bad jokes, we're greaaaat
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19:48:40	TrueJournals	Hmmm... I think I need to recompile the bootloader too...
19:48:52	a1titude	rofl, bad jokes? Theres no such thing! :p
19:49:07	TrueJournals	Let's hear one ;-)
19:49:09	B4gder	that's easy to say when you don't hear them! ;-O
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19:50:06	B4gder	Jens said "grr, I have this freezing problem!", with Linus' response "oh, you think we should adjust the air conditioner"
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19:50:19	TrueJournals	nice
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19:50:36	a1titude	lol thats funny!
19:51:29	TrueJournals	Great... now rockbox won't boot...
19:51:47	B4gder	booting is soo overrated anyway
19:51:52	B4gder	:-)
19:52:03	a1titude	yeah
19:52:06	TrueJournals	...
19:52:13	TrueJournals	And you say Linus' jokes are bad?
19:52:37	B4gder	I'm infected!
19:52:44	a1titude	I've heard worse blond jokes
19:53:13	a1titude	Like, Did u hear about the blond at the stop sign? Shes still there!!!! :)
19:53:48	TrueJournals	B4gder: Bootloader message: http://www.pastebin.ca/497174
19:53:48	bluebrother	hehe, freezing problem :D
19:53:52	TrueJournals	And then... nothing happens...
19:54:31	Llorean	Same thing happens on my Sansa
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19:54:42	TrueJournals	Somebody broke rockbox...
19:54:47	bluebrother	this binary size value looks somewhat small to me
19:54:54	bluebrother	assuming it's bytes
19:55:43	TrueJournals	yeah, the binary is 456 KB...
19:56:51	Llorean	456kb is roughly the expected size
19:57:11	Llorean	But SVN binaries for the Sansa e200, and apparently H10, aren't booting right now
19:57:16	Llorean	iPod Nano works fine though
19:57:18	TrueJournals	Yes, but according to the bootloader, mi4 size is 72000 (72 KB I'm guessing....)
19:57:38	bluebrother	any idea what this value was before it stopped working?
19:58:00	TrueJournals	Want me to try yesterday's daily?
19:58:17	Llorean	Did someone mess with the MI4 generation code?
19:58:29	bluebrother	might help. Unless someone else can tell use more details −− I'm not familiar with mi4
19:58:46	TrueJournals	Are there daily builds anymore? I don't see a link...
19:58:56	bluebrother	look for "archived builds"
19:59:22	TrueJournals	Ah, I see
19:59:37	B4gder	I find it very strange that my commit made the sansa build 2 bytes smaller
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20:00:49	Llorean	B4gder: Well some recent commit broke the MI4 players, it seems
20:01:05	TrueJournals	bah, text goes to fast...
20:01:15	B4gder	yeah
20:01:59	TrueJournals	mi4 size using yesterday's daily shows up at 72000
20:02:18	TrueJournals	(Using today's bootloader... let me try an older one)
20:02:38	bluebrother	todays bootloader?
20:02:47	TrueJournals	I compiled a bootloader today
20:02:50	Llorean	Why?
20:02:56	TrueJournals	because I wasn't sure if that was the cause
20:03:15	Llorean	It's not a generally good idea to just update bootloaders without knowing there's a reason to
20:03:25	Llorean	bluebrother: But it is a problem with known-good bootloaders
20:03:27	bluebrother	that might be a problem. There is a reason why bootloaders aren't released with svn builds
20:03:43	Llorean	bluebrother: I have the "official" bootloader on my Sansa and experience the same problem.
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20:04:00	bluebrother	ah. If it's known that the problem also exists with a released bootloader we can at least be sure that it's something different
20:04:35	TrueJournals	Well, I have to go...
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20:12:30	*	amiconn seems to have finally found the problem
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20:22:14	petur	beer time :D
20:29:05	jaczehack_	that was a good piece of beer
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20:37:48	toffe82	can you ship a pack of chimay to the US ;)
20:38:23	petur	I figure preglow would like a pack of those too :)
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20:41:14	avenged_one	hmm
20:41:22	avenged_one	wuts up with the forums?
20:41:38	a1titude	Is there any rule against changing my name in the forums?
20:41:56	avenged_one	idk
20:42:04	RogerBacon	uhh .... canadien beer is better :)
20:42:16	B4gder	they have beer in canada?
20:42:20	*	B4gder ducks
20:42:21	petur	avenged_one: what with the forums?
20:42:30	avenged_one	but yeah, i was looking in the e200r thread and there are 1 or 2 less posts then there was last night
20:42:41	RogerBacon	B4gder : yes
20:42:45	B4gder	well, that thread gets heaps of usless posts
20:42:55	*	petur hits RogerBacon with a Chimay bottle
20:43:21	bagawk	petur: most beer come in that large of a bottle there?
20:43:32	B4gder	and I find wildly suggesting a buffer overflow approach without even understand what it is is quite useless too...
20:43:44	*	RogerBacon brb, will take a great beer and go outside ...
20:43:49	RogerBacon	;)
20:44:12	midkay	element_g: yes!
20:44:53	petur	bagawk: no, most are 25 or 33 cl but some brands offer 75cl, 1.5L and 3L :)
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20:45:19	petur	woohoo new build score record
20:46:53	avenged_one	So does anyone have any information on progress on getting the e200r to play a custom bootloader
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20:47:16	Llorean	avenged_one: Any progress would be in the thread, most likely
20:47:34	avenged_one	ok, in that case there has been none for 4eva
20:47:40	avenged_one	haha
20:47:43	B4gder	there's no progress and I don't know of anyone actually trying anything
20:47:43	avenged_one	ok thanks tho
20:48:22	B4gder	no R model owner seems to be interested and skilled enough
20:48:39	avenged_one	well that sux
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20:49:39	XavierGr	wow I couldn't imagine that amiconn could score so high! :P
20:50:00	B4gder	we give him a good taunting for that
20:50:10	Llorean	a1titude: I don't see any reason to disallow it. If someone figures out a way to cause problems by doing it, then it might be prevented later, but I can just turn off the function if it's a problem. Since name changing is still turned on, go ahead.
20:50:44	a1titude	Thanks!
20:51:15	DerPapst	petur: afaik amiconn scored a while back even higher. about 24.000 or so ;)
20:51:27	XavierGr	hehe indeed
20:52:50	XavierGr	bagder you must update the build script to store the high scores tables, or at least store the highest for historic reasons :D
20:52:55	*	amiconn is da breakah
20:52:57	petur	ok, I admit I don't really keep a highscore list ;)
20:53:21	amiconn	It's just that the function added to the api uncovered an .h file name collision between core and zxbox
20:53:27	*	amiconn is about to commit the fix
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21:00:13	toffe82	I asked something this morning and it seems nobody answer : is it possible for the plugins to use the selected font ? can this be in the guideline for plugins ?
21:00:50	B4gder	I don't understand the question
21:00:58	B4gder	yes the plugins can use the font
21:01:14	toffe82	but not the one you can select in the menu
21:01:25	Llorean	They should be able to use user font.
21:01:44	Llorean	But it doesn't make sense to do so in many cases, because the user font can be ridiculously large and make things not fit on screen.
21:01:44	toffe82	but no plugin use this
21:01:51	bluebrother	there are a couple of plugins that use the user font
21:02:09	bluebrother	e.g. the stats plugin, or the credits
21:02:14	toffe82	there are some plugin , I can't red because of the font
21:02:22	toffe82	read ^^
21:02:52	bluebrother	eh −− you telling no plugins use the user font, but you can't read some plugins because of the font?
21:03:22	bluebrother	what do you mean exactly? Those plugins using the userfont don't work nicely if the font is rather large or what?
21:03:38	Llorean	toffe82: Which plugins do you have troubles with?
21:03:51	Llorean	bluebrother: I think he means that for some plugins, the use of the sysfont makes them difficult to read.
21:04:21	amiconn	hrrrrm
21:04:26	toffe82	example : brickmania use small fonts even if the one selected is bigger
21:04:52	toffe82	I used the ajax themes which has big font
21:05:01	Llorean	Brickmania uses bitmapped words.
21:05:15	toffe82	even the help ?
21:05:34	Llorean	Not the help
21:05:36	bluebrother	nope. The help text needs to get adjusted.
21:05:49	toffe82	bubbles ?
21:05:54	Llorean	But too large a font for the help would require that it then have code to scroll
21:05:58	bluebrother	a generic text-widget like thing would be nice for that.
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21:06:16	toffe82	Llorean: yes
21:07:00	bluebrother	it's easier to just use the sysfont ;-) But like the screens in the core itself, all plugins should be capable handling the user font
21:07:44	Llorean	toffe82: So, feel free to update any plugin you feel should be using the userfont.
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21:11:51	toffe82	;) if one day I have time to do something
21:12:15	amiconn	Llorean: A number of plugins has code to reflow help texts depending on the selected font
21:12:19	amiconn	(e.g. solitaire)
21:12:43	Llorean	amiconn: Yes, my point wasn't that it can't be done. Just that it was probably easier for the authors this way
21:12:50	amiconn	Perhaps this code is a candidate for the plugin lib
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21:13:06	Llorean	A good set of flowing text routines would probably be helpful
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21:15:05	toffe82	it would be nice to have the same font everywhere
21:15:30	B4gder	it would be nice to have no bugs
21:15:31	toffe82	except if there is a need for a specail font
21:15:37	toffe82	:)
21:16:26	a1titude	it would me nice to have 80gb ipod support! haha jk :p
21:18:15	amiconn	svn obviously doesn't like me today :\
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21:33:15	Zagor	now with officially sanctioned shirt
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21:46:43	n1s	Zagor: ooh :-)
21:47:17	bluebrother	cooool :)
21:47:36	n1s	nice cleanup in the tracker btw
21:48:02	bluebrother	will we get FS 0.9.9?
21:49:10	Zagor	0.9.9.1 even
21:49:59	*	bluebrother does the new-flyspray-dance
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21:51:31	bluebrother	hehe ... this is hillarious: http://blog.flyspray.org/archives/2007/03/28.html
21:52:29	DerPapst	hahahaha
21:52:48	bluebrother	maybe we should have something like that for new user registration ;-)
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21:53:09	B4gder	now that's something for us to copy!
21:53:26	bluebrother	maybe add it to the download page as well ;-)
21:55:27	bluebrother	btw, has anyone ever though about a developer's blog for Rockbox?
21:55:35	bluebrother	(but I guess there won't be much interest)
21:56:34	Zagor	I think there is lots of interest to read it, but very little to write it :-)
21:56:43	DerPapst	The recent svn activity is better than any blog ;)
21:56:58	B4gder	I once tried to update one
21:57:05	B4gder	I failed rather soon
21:59:30	*	B4gder does some build scripts fiddling in the background and hopes it won't show...
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22:00:35	*	bluebrother gets himself a beer −− unfortunately no belgium one
22:02:18	bluebrother	skal!
22:03:33	B4gder	skal!
22:03:34	petur	bluebrother: here's to you ;)
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22:03:48	bluebrother	petur, thanks :)
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22:08:11	AceNik	hey guys the t-shirts u wearing are different where can one get them & for how much
22:08:23	Zagor	there, no more pesky bug reports ;)
22:08:41	B4gder	AceNik: come here and you'll get one for free! ;-)
22:08:43	AceNik	i did visit cafepress they dont have these blue stripes u have n the shirts
22:09:00	DerPapst	Zager: true.. 404
22:09:02	Llorean	AceNik: Approximatley the cost of a flight to sweden, within the next 15 hours or so
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22:09:09	AceNik	B4gder:another 3 yrs definately im in
22:09:14	AceNik	hehe
22:09:15	bluebrother	403 here
22:09:32	B4gder	these shirts are donated by Haxx
22:09:38	AceNik	B4gder:i need to finish graduation first
22:09:48	AceNik	B4gder:they cool nice ones
22:11:22	B4gder	well, Haxx only does cool stuff ;-P
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22:12:02	bluebrother	doesn't the name imply this? :p
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22:18:29	AceNik	what des this statement imply , "There should be more badgers in Rockbox"
22:18:43	AceNik	i thought badger was someone's name?
22:19:15	LinusN	we should hire competent developers instead of us lamers
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22:19:43	Cassandra	Well put it simple layman's terms, it means that there should be more small black and white stripey mammals with attitude in Rockbox.
22:19:59	LinusN	zebras?
22:20:01	AceNik	] LinusN: You kidding me , cme on dont be modest
22:20:17	AceNik	hehe
22:20:17	B4gder	no zebras are good
22:20:19	B4gder	we need them
22:20:21	AceNik	well i got the point
22:21:19	AceNik	so basically an all rounder at rockbox aye?
22:21:19	Cassandra	zebras aren't small.
22:21:22	B4gder	point? no stripes!
22:21:31	AceNik	what fields particularly?
22:21:34	LinusN	compared to an elephant they are
22:22:10	Cassandra	Indian or African?
22:22:32	LinusN	:-)
22:23:01	AceNik	(themes: lean, consistent and modern look rather than a focus on "eye candy".) i agree but somewhat eye candy is needed dont you think
22:23:42	AceNik	so basically an all rounder at rockbox aye? is a badger?
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22:26:18	bluebrother	more badgers for Rockbox? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badger
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22:37:35	ptw419	is someone available who is good with a text formatting program like awk or sed
22:37:38	ptw419	or grep even
22:38:06	B4gder	ask the question instead and you'll find out
22:38:37	ptw419	i'm trying to extract machine code from objdump -d output
22:39:07	ptw419	i've gotten i=match($2,[:xdigit:]
22:39:19	ptw419	str=substr($2,i,9)
22:39:33	ptw419	i get what i want but also additional output not needed
22:39:54	bluebrother	hmm, tracker is still 403 :(
22:40:23	B4gder	you mean just the hex ?
22:40:33	pixelma	bluebrother: currently fixing some typos and stuff from the latest manual commit - but at the same time there seems to be problems with dealing with the new credits but I don't know how that works...
22:41:04	ptw419	yes
22:41:18	bluebrother	pixelma, checking
22:41:20	B4gder	ptw419: then why not just use hexdump or od?
22:42:22	bluebrother	ah, it's the underscores in the game music emu team
22:42:42	ptw419	aww, not familiar with those, but i'll try that instead.
22:43:11	*	DerPapst is still missing "The iPodLinux Team" in the credits file...
22:43:16	ptw419	maybe it'll be easier then writing a script ^_^
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22:43:32	pixelma	bluebrother: right, so you know what has to be done?
22:43:44	B4gder	ptw419: if hexdump is all you want, hexdump is a better tool ;-)
22:44:12	ptw419	hmmm...
22:44:21	bluebrother	manual/credits.pl needs to escape them. Working at it ...
22:44:22	ptw419	thanks badger, this maybe easier
22:45:10	pixelma	bluebrother: thanks :)
22:45:12	*	B4gder is now badger
22:45:15	B4gder	not
22:45:30	B4gder	hehe
22:45:31	DerPapst	hehe
22:46:58	B4gder	DerPapst: ipl team added
22:47:16	DerPapst	B4gder: thanks :)
22:47:38	B4gder	I think it feels good to finally get the credits done better
22:50:39	B4gder	http://zune-linux.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=80
22:51:48	LinusN	what a gem!!!
22:51:58	n1s	I love the "Ease of use" feature :-)
22:52:01	Zagor	I would like ease of use too
22:52:39	LinusN	i don't
22:53:15	bluebrother	hehe. Skype on the zune
22:53:29	B4gder	http://code.google.com/p/zune-linux/
22:53:40	*	B4gder giggles
22:53:43	DerPapst	i would be astonished if they ever get the kernel to run
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22:54:59	x1jmp	hmm... "hard drive access" on the 13th place of the top15 wishlist...
22:55:09	DerPapst	hehe
22:58:11	ptw419	i wonder if they've even made any progress...
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23:00:21	x1jmp	http://www.zune-linux.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=47 it sounds promising
23:00:28	petur	http://zune-linux.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=47
23:01:23	LinusN	"we need to learn to program so we can take a more pro-active approach"
23:02:01	DerPapst	c# on embedded devices -.-
23:02:59	ptw419	why would you need to know c# to program embedded?
23:03:04	*	petur wonders if he really needs to roll on the floor in front of the webcam to write ROFL
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23:04:06	Llorean	That starts to take it to the point where you wonder if even they are taking themselves seriously, or if it's an intentional hoax. I mean that pushes it a bit.
23:05:40	bluebrother	pixelma, fixed.
23:07:27	pixelma	ah...nice - the other fixes will follow in a minute
23:08:33	bluebrother	just noticed a typo that prevents the gigabeat manual from building
23:08:43	bluebrother	already fixed that? Otherwise I'll commit ...
23:08:52	pixelma	yes fixed
23:09:02	pixelma	there were a few more
23:09:12	bluebrother	good, then I don't need to bother
23:09:55	ptw419	hmm almost got this script
23:10:09	bluebrother	Zagor, you're aware that the tracker is still not working? Get a 403 forbidden :(
23:10:35	Zagor	yeah, I've disabled access while configuring it
23:10:45	bluebrother	ah, ok.
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23:11:38	markun	I'm redoing the plugin buttons for the Gigabeat. Anyone who wants to look at the patch before I commit when it's done?
23:12:03	Llorean	Redoing how?
23:12:09	Llorean	Changing which buttons do what?
23:12:19	LinusN	http://zune-linux.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=67
23:14:14	petur	LinusN stop it, it starts to hurt
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23:17:58	bluebrother	"JTAG machine"?
23:18:08	bluebrother	those guys are kinda funny
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23:22:48	LinusN	they are hilarious
23:23:19	LinusN	whenever you feel down, go to their site and then you suddenly feel very competent again
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23:29:05	element_g	Cassandra here?
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23:31:13	Cassandra	Hello, yes?
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23:32:30	element_g	I noticed your changes to the WPS gallery and had some questions so I emailed you
23:32:59	element_g	Then I remember you're at Devcon, and probably busy, so I thought it'd be quicker if I went here
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23:33:20	Cassandra	What would you like to know>
23:34:18	*	petur updated his devcon pictures page
23:34:24	LinusN	we are all busy doing the norwegian hammer dance
23:34:30	element_g	I understand that the WPS's removed may have some copyright issues like you said. The WPS gallery page states that themes would be removed at the owner's request. I just wanted some info.
23:34:48	element_g	LinusN: ;)
23:35:04	Cassandra	Basically we felt we needed to be a bit more proactive about removing WPSes which infringe.
23:35:10	Zagor	the new flyspray is really ... new
23:35:25	Cassandra	So that we're not complicit in copyright infringement.
23:35:53	element_g	Cassandra: I see, what do you mean by complicit?
23:36:25	element_g	Zagor: so new that it's Forbidden?
23:36:32	petur	hmmm machine code on the new flyspray pages
23:36:39	LinusN	:-)
23:36:42	Zagor	:-) I'll open it up
23:36:59	element_g	Cassandra: could we have a non-free WPS gallery?
23:37:01	Zagor	there you go
23:37:55	Zagor	lots of cosmetics left to do. please don't comment about that.
23:38:09	Cassandra	element_g, it's not a "free" vs non-free issue. It's a legal thing. Sorry.
23:38:12	Zagor	if the page looks completely weird though, you need to reload to get the new css file.
23:38:16	Llorean	Zagor: I'm getting a blank white page.
23:38:35	LinusN	Llorean: better than nothing :-)
23:38:42	Zagor	Llorean: yeah for some reason the raw index doesn't work either... use http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=1
23:38:50	Cassandra	Other sites may well host such themes, but the offiicial project has to be seen to operate within the bounds of the law.
23:39:24	Cassandra	Believe it or not, going through the wiki looking for copyrighted images is not exactly my idea of fun.
23:39:32	Llorean	Zagor: Ah, good, I thought it was a nice white on white visual theme, what with the talk of cosmetics needing work. ;)
23:39:39	Zagor	hehe
23:39:43	element_g	Cassandra: Thanks, glad to have this cleared up
23:39:57	Cassandra	complicit means that by not preventing it, we
23:39:58	element_g	What about Rockbox-themes.org?
23:40:06	Cassandra	re implying we approve.
23:40:13	Cassandra	Atleast in some people's eyes.
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23:40:28	Cassandra	element_g, we don't run rockbox-themes.org.
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23:40:45	element_g	so that's up to RedBreva then?
23:40:56	Cassandra	Exactly.
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23:42:01	element_g	As he's in the process of improving the site, I'm sure he'd like to know. If he doesn't remove them he should at least separate the compliant themes from
23:42:07	element_g	the ones that have issues
23:42:31	Cassandra	element_g, I probably would if I were him, but that's up to him.
23:42:47	element_g	Yea, I'm just a stickler for consistancy
23:43:39	element_g	Zagor: is this flyspray or my browser? Notice: Undefined index: 0 in /usr/share/flyspray/htdocs/includes/class.flyspray.php on line 344
23:44:05	Zagor	element_g: sounds like flyspray. where do you get that?
23:44:58	element_g	on a patches tracker page, I'm getting the white page on the tracker homepage
23:45:24	Zagor	yeah it doesn't show anything if you don't pass any parameters
23:45:38	Zagor	element_g: please paste the url that gives that error message
23:46:18	element_g	Zagor: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7113?pagenum=15 The white page comes from clicking the rockbox logo
23:46:39	element_g	Cassandra: forgot to thank you for all the info
23:46:53	bluebrother	hmm, that "tasklist" button doesn't work −− I get only a white page
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23:47:16	Llorean	The new version of flyspray at least seems to work in things the old one didn't (for me) such as looking for tasks opened by a specific person
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23:49:42	bluebrother	hmm, shouldn't the default order be newest first?
23:50:09	Llorean	So far it's always been most critical/severe first, so far
23:50:45	XavierGr	the new flyspray looks a bit weird
23:51:24	bluebrother	anyone against rejecting FS #6837?
23:51:35	bluebrother	I'd rather call it unused ;-)
23:51:50	bluebrother	(or maybe unfamiliar)
23:51:51	XavierGr	ah but zagor said that lots of cosmetics left to do, so I will wait more
23:52:18	Zagor	XavierGr: if it's all jumbled you need to reload to get the new css file.
23:52:52	Llorean	bluebrother: I'm not sure what to do about feature requests for plugins.
23:52:53	bluebrother	there seems to be an issue with stripslashes()
23:53:40	bluebrother	or magic_quotes_gpc in php.ini
23:53:59	XavierGr	much better
23:54:17	Cassandra	element_g, no problem
23:54:45	DerPapst	wheee.. the new flyspray looks neat
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23:55:25	element_g	bluebrother: fun? maybe useful? not at all about sums up my thoughts
23:56:17	bluebrother	yeah. But the thing is: does anybody want to do it? Is it likely to happen? Is it useful?
23:56:49	Llorean	Yeah, but if it's a plugin, do we really reject it because nobody around right now is interested in it?
23:57:24	Llorean	With core features, we can reject it by saying "We don't want to clutter the core with this" but for plugins... it's still an idea if someone new comes along and wants to contribute but doesn't have ideas of his own
23:58:04	element_g	Llorean: I suppose not, I know that most coders are some of the busiest people on the planet, but if somehow a coder were bored and looking through feature request wouldn't it make sense to keep it?
23:58:28	element_g	I agree it should be a plugin though becuase it seems logical that the code would be big

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