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#rockbox log for 2007-05-19

00:00:04 Join jhulst [0] (
00:00:07florinit also compares against the strings "iPod" and "This is your Apple iPod. [...]" ad index 71 and 0x40...
00:00:08Sivart0the DOS version of fdisk is completely different than the linux version
00:00:19digerati1338I would highly recommend the GPARTed Live CD too. It is a live linux CD that is only about 30 MB and only includes the partition editor
00:00:28jurrieyes, it is. The DOS version on deals with FAT (and now possibly NTFS) partitions
00:00:40 Part TrueJournals
00:00:48digerati1338I use GPARTed whenever I need to partition anything because it can handle all filesystems.
00:00:53Sivart0i dont wanan boot into linux ;-;
00:01:02DerPapstflorin: find out where it trys to detect your iPods generation
00:01:34Sivart0i may have no choice v_v
00:01:38bluebrothersaratoga, I don't think so −− it starts with a capital letter ;-)
00:01:44florinanyone interested in a −−this-is-ipod flag, to disable this one check?
00:01:56Sivart0oh wait, i have more than one computer <_<
00:02:04*Sivart0 slaps Sivart0 around a bit with a large trout
00:02:14florini can fix it to work for me, but i can aswell add a flag, if someone is interested...
00:02:23DerPapstflorin: feel free to make one. i would be interested in it.
00:03:22LloreanI would suggest simply naming it −−force
00:03:36bluebrotherflorin, I think it was left out intentionally but if you post a patch maybe it'll get added
00:03:58florinwhat about that generation check? is in important/needed?
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00:04:26florinoh, and: the reason why my ipod does not have the magic might _not_ be a 5.5g-issue!
00:04:50DerPapstthe generation is important
00:04:51florinit's probably a "florin messed his ipod"-issue :-)
00:05:13DerPapstso you have to pass an argument to ipodpatcher as well to tell it the generation
00:05:33n1sbluebrother: you were right, April 28 was the first commitless day of the year, I was doing a project that took all my time fore the last two weeks of april so I missed it.
00:05:34Domonokyits the "we dont have the correct MBR to convert your ipod" Problem :-)
00:05:44DerPapstflorin: a lot of other users have that image too.
00:06:31 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving")
00:09:09bluebrothern1s, and there was the svn transition period. But I think that doesn't count
00:10:03 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection)
00:11:23n1sbluebrother: yeah, but there were these multi hundred files commits that changed properties an such so I counted them :-)
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00:13:08markunmpeccorini: chessbox menu is committed
00:13:17markunthis was the first devcon commit btw :)
00:13:39DerPapstlooks a bit like school....
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00:14:16dan_aDerPapst: I wish my school desk had all those beer bottles on it!
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00:17:02 Part mpeccorini
00:17:05Sivart0i cant get a partition smaller than 8m
00:17:56Sivart0any suggestions?
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00:20:01raphiSivart0: hmm.... doesn't look to be possible...
00:20:28Sivart0i figured it out ^_^
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00:21:28digerati1338why would you want a partition smaller than 8m
00:23:06 Part Llorean
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00:25:36scorchelook at all the happy rockbox hackers =)
00:26:04*B4gder hands markun his 14 points on a silver plate
00:26:19a1titudeI wonder what there programming! haha
00:26:56scorcheB4gder: well, now that i am awake, shall we get a skype conference going? =P
00:27:02toffe82ther are not there are playing online :)
00:27:12pixelmabeerbox.rock ;)
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00:27:16a1titudehaha, woulden't suprise me
00:27:26B4gderI'm not, I'm going home in a short while
00:28:12a1titudedoes the devcon officialy start 2morrow then?
00:28:31DerPapstthis is just the warming up :P
00:28:42bluebrothernah, may 19 has already started :D
00:28:44a1titudeha, a whole day beein' watched! 0.o
00:29:08B4gderwe do it just for the money
00:29:19DerPapsta bit like bigbrother (<−− never watched that)
00:29:21a1titudeHow does it feel beein' watched by rockbox fans from all over the world
00:29:30scorchejust as long as no one feeds them, it is fine
00:29:32bluebrotheris it paid good?
00:29:48*scorche references the sign that says "please dont feed the code monkeys"
00:29:50markuna1titude: weird
00:29:51B4gderbluebrother: yes, we pay a lot ;-)
00:30:37bluebrotheroooh ... as I'll be looking for a job in a couple of weeks ...
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00:33:32bluebrothershrinked the partition to 0 bytes?
00:34:03bluebrotherand it still works?
00:34:12Sivart0appleos = no
00:34:16Sivart0rockbox = yes
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00:35:07ivanI really hope something for the 5.5gen is out soon
00:35:24a1titudethe 30 or 80! :p haha jk
00:36:33scorcheis amiconn beating up his sister? =O
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00:36:54amiconnJust the wav recording plugin doesn't like me yet
00:36:57B4gdersorry, we're being paid not to tell
00:37:03intgrWhere's the webcam?
00:37:06scorchewhat is that huge pot between you two?
00:37:09*petur blames the beer
00:38:01a1titude <- webcams from a link on that page
00:38:08Mode"#rockbox +o B4gder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
00:38:10Topic"" by B4gder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder)
00:38:13ivanany idea what can be expected for the 5.5?
00:38:33scorcheivan: be patient =)
00:38:43Mode"#rockbox -o B4gder " by B4gder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder)
00:38:58ivanheh :) sorry just it's making me all burn inside
00:39:13scorcheyou might want to get that looked at then
00:39:45courtcclassy ringers btw.
00:40:01Sivart0lalala installing my musics
00:40:10zivan56sansa fm is finally getting more precise, still cant centre on stereo frequency though, but accuracy to +- 0.1Mhz now and AFC takes care of the rest
00:41:33midkayhey mr. core devs (b4gder?) - devcon 2007 weekend logo? :)
00:41:36intgrSo you all came together just to spend time coding Rockbox? :)
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00:42:03florinok, now ipodpatcher said:
00:42:11florin[INFO] Part Start Sector End Sector Size (MB) Type
00:42:12florin[INFO] 0 63 48194 94.0 Empty (0x00)
00:42:12florin[INFO] 1 48195 14651279 28521.7 W95 FAT32 (0x0b)
00:42:12florin[INFO] Ipod model: Video (aka 5th Generation) ("winpod")
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00:42:14florinand then died.
00:42:19florinam i done yet?
00:42:32florin(i.e. is this the "successful" termination?)
00:42:49Domonokyflorin: this is the self compiled ipodpatcher ?
00:42:59DerPapstit "found" your ipod at least
00:43:07florinyes, it is.
00:43:13B4gdermidkay: nice
00:43:20florini "forced" it :-)
00:43:24Domonokyif you compile ipodpatcher yourself the bootloaders arnt built in..
00:43:46Domonokyyou have to download the bootloader and use the install option
00:43:47bluebrother... in which case you also need to specify an action to do
00:43:48DerPapstnow do ./ipodpatcher [your commands] -a the_bootloader.ipod
00:44:31florinthe bootloader would be ipodvideo, right?
00:44:57DerPapstbut you can compile it with the bootlaoders built in
00:45:01DerPapsti did ;)
00:45:13florinbootloader written to device... now hold your breath :-)
00:45:13midkayB4gder: thanks, well, i did one last year and you guys liked it.. thought i'd continue the tradition. :)
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00:45:48DerPapstuhh.. time stapms on the webcam
00:45:51B4gderin place
00:45:55bluebrotherah, nice
00:46:12bluebrotheradd the current svn revision number too ;-)
00:46:13homieloweB4dger: looks nice
00:46:38*Sivart0 holds breath
00:46:41midkayB4gder: yay. :)
00:46:47Sivart0it feels funny O_o
00:46:55florinhangs at apple logo, "No partition found", ipod version 0xffffffff
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00:47:50Domonokyand the second partition is a Fat32 partition ?
00:48:30florini assume, have to check...
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00:49:03DerPapstaccording to his ipodpatcher output it is.
00:49:21florin/dev/sdb2 on /mnt type vfat (rw)
00:49:24florin(yes, it is)
00:49:49florinls -lda /mnt/.rockbox/
00:49:49florindrwxr-xr-x 13 root root 65536 May 17 18:02 /mnt/.rockbox/
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00:50:01Domonokythen, i dont know..
00:50:39DerPapstbut you're getting thos ipod version 0xffffffff from the loader?
00:51:11DerPapstthe ipdopatcher worked.
00:51:12florinprobably related to the 5.5g?
00:51:21DerPapstbut the bootloader fails to read your mbr...
00:51:51florinis the MBR supposed to contain verision information?
00:52:13DerPapstwell.. there is no specail build just for 5.5Gs so the ipodvideo bootloader should work.
00:52:25florinremember, i have a cusom MBR :-)
00:52:46florin-> no version information, if it was _supposed_ to be there, i'm screwed.
00:52:53***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
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00:53:22DerPapsthmm.. might wanna try loader 2? /me hides
00:53:37florinwhats loader 2?
00:53:44DerPapstiPLs bootloader
00:53:44bluebrotherIPL's bootloader
00:53:46 Quit B4gder ("Rockbox TCP exception #04123 - connection reset and user kicked out")
00:54:00bluebrotherbut I don't think that will help
00:54:08Sivart0ipod linux
00:54:08bluebrotherIpod Linux
00:54:12florinah ok.
00:54:18bluebrotherdamn. too slow again
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00:54:26florinwhy not.
00:54:30a1titudewhats the "Store This Frame" button do? In the webcam page now.
00:54:31Domonokyit think the best would be, to restore the ipod via windows :-)
00:54:41DerPapstthis time use the -ab switch
00:54:47florinipodlinux would have been my next bet anyway, if rockbox didn't work :-)
00:54:57Zagora1titude: it's for saving Special Moments(tm)
00:55:10Zagoralthough it doesn't quite work yet
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00:55:56florinwith the loader.bin file, right?
00:56:04bluebrotherhow about a link that opens the webcam in a popup without toolbars and stuff?
00:56:18DerPapsti have that already.
00:56:27DerPapstbut i cut the button :P
00:56:29florinlemme first check if the ipod works with the origial fw restored :-)
00:56:36florinok, goes. now ipl
00:56:47bluebrotherdid that for myself and now I have the image without anything around but a black border
00:56:49DerPapstjust istnall the loader for now
00:56:53Sivart0installing rockbox <_<
00:57:02DerPapstthen try if you can launch rockbox with it
00:57:16Sivart0emergency diskmode sucks
00:57:25 Part Domonoky
00:57:30Cyberdog6not for emergencies...
00:57:58florinnot valid FAT superblock
00:58:09Sivart0the appleos diskmode is way faster >_<
00:58:12florinbut i can start into apple os
00:58:18florinform there...
00:58:31DerPapstbut apple_os is stored in ram
00:58:36DerPapstso it's not a big deal
00:58:43scorchedoes he have to drink that right in front of the camera? =P
00:58:44florinyes, i know.
00:58:52element_gjust noticed the big devcon2007 stamp on the rockboxlogo on the homepage, nice ;)
00:58:55bluebrotherare children watching?
00:59:05bluebrotheris this show free for kids anyway?
00:59:09Cyberdog6I might get a bud
00:59:25DerPapstnu duff beer anyone?
00:59:38scorchementioning a "bud" while they are drinking quality beer doesnt do much...
01:00:30DerPapstflorin: can you show me (us) your modifications to ipodpatcher?
01:00:40florinyes, of course
01:00:46florinwant the complete source?
01:01:07bluebrotherunified diffs are usually nicer to read
01:01:16DerPapstthe diff would be ok. but i'm fine with the complete source as well
01:01:20bluebrothersvn diff <file / folder>
01:02:02DerPapstsvn diff ipodpatcher > force.patch
01:02:04DerPapstor so
01:03:04bluebrotherargh. Just realized that < and > might be misleading ...
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01:03:44DerPapstbetter use [ and ] then ;)
01:03:53bluebrothertoo late
01:04:02DerPapstnext time ;)
01:04:06bluebrotherbut they too might have a special meaning ...
01:04:23florin(uploading them ... )
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01:06:01DerPapstja nee.. is klar
01:06:07florin:-) is down, for some reason :-p
01:07:04florinhowever, there's the files now
01:08:02 Quit mpeccorini ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby")
01:08:12bluebrotheroch, noch mehr? ;-)
01:08:20bluebrotherbtw, you can combine multiple files in one diff
01:08:52*florin new to diff... it's patch that i have extensive experience with :-p
01:09:53bluebrotherit's the same −− just the other side ;-)
01:10:04florinthere are some strange formatting issues here and there −− mainly because some brain-dead emacs settings i had enabled by default.
01:10:11florinsorry for that.
01:10:37bluebrotherlike this 1 tab, then 4 spaces to indent?
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01:10:52*DerPapst hides
01:10:59bluebrotherI have seen such strange things with other editors too
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01:11:15*florin needs to get a decent editor... ed or so.
01:11:26*bluebrother suggests gvim
01:11:31AceNikwhich editor do ul sugest to use then ?
01:11:56florinthe 4 spaces were before i set the emacs indentation to 4 chars
01:12:46florintraumatic experience with vi (<- first editor on linux ever, many many years ago :-)
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01:14:06bluebrothertry the "colored" gvim. It has a gui.
01:14:29florinis there a way of finding out what device is the loader trying to load <yourfavoritekernel> from?
01:15:36bluebrotheroh, another one using LaTeX?
01:16:09florinisn't everbody using latex?
01:16:25toffe82where are your sleeping bags ?
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01:17:00DerPapstflorin: from ext2 fat32 hfs+ or even from the fw partition
01:17:38florinrockbox can boot hfs+?
01:17:40DerPapstor i might have read your question wrong :P
01:17:41florinkewl :-)
01:17:47DerPapstit can't
01:17:50florini actually meant the device
01:17:58florinah ok
01:18:08Zagorthe store button works now
01:18:19DerPapsti thought you wanted to know what loader 2 is able to read from...
01:18:56scorcheZagor: store button?
01:19:12Zagorreload the webcam page
01:19:27Sivart0yay rockbox ^_^
01:19:34TrueJournalsSo... who all is here that's at Devcon?
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01:21:04Sivart0appleos no longer exists on my ipod :P
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01:21:17florini'm just trying to figure out why rockbox believes my FAT is faulty
01:21:53scorcheTrueJournals: mar kun, Linu sN, Za gor, ami conn, pixel ma, pet ur, and Bag der and Cassandra are not in the camera's view (i inserted the space in the names because i didnt want to send out a mass highlight to all of them =/
01:22:24scorcheZagor: i hope no one abuses it!
01:22:53florinanother question (slighlty off-topic, but somehow related)
01:23:08florinis anyone here with enough bandwith to stream ogg music?
01:23:14bluebrothershould I post the link to that named picture again?
01:23:27scorcheflorin: that is a bit too off-topic...
01:23:38Zagorscorche: well it will not store the same image more than once. and we've got 37 gigs free at the moment. so if anyone wants to abuse it, he's going to have to work a bit :-)
01:23:39florinok :-/ sorry...
01:23:40TrueJournalsbluebrother: Might be a good idea to link to that on the webcam page...
01:24:01LinusNZagor: is that a challenge? :-)
01:24:17*scorche looks up the code for the button and prepares a script
01:24:33bluebrothercan't do that, and the picture is somewhat unsuited ;-)
01:24:54TrueJournalsah, hmmm... interesting...
01:25:05bluebrotherwhat, you are not saving any picture? ;)
01:25:09scorcheand Zagor is missing from there
01:25:20saratogathats pretty funnym
01:25:20*Zagor calculates room for approx 822000 images. at 5 images/minute that's 114 days worth...
01:25:56bluebrotherhuh? Next beer "was" at 2:01 but it's still 1:25?
01:26:36bluebrotheryou invented a time machine?
01:26:48bluebrother(does it run on Rockbox?)
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01:27:02TrueJournalsawwww.... no iriver H10 represented :'(
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01:27:24LinusNmy silly vmware is acting up
01:27:35TrueJournalsGo coLinux ;-)
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01:27:51AceNikyup there is no one to represent the H10, im following up with that since the wiki page was made
01:28:11Sivart0is anybody representing ipod? =D
01:28:35AceNikok guys just out of curiousity how much does your whole trip to sweden cost on an averae for everyone of you , just an average firgure
01:28:42TrueJournalsmini, nano, and video are represented
01:29:04DerPapstheh.. no 3G. and i have 2 next to me ^^
01:29:13scorcheAceNik: when i was looking at going from the west coast of the US, it was around 800-1k USD....hence why i am not there =P
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01:30:32AceNikhow much did the people who already at devcon roughly be spending on the whole trip?
01:31:38scorchewell, they all live in europe
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01:32:12peturAceNik: flight was 172 euro, some smaller sums for various busses and subway, and an unspecified amount on beer ;)
01:32:21bluebrotherit pretty much depends on where exactly you live and at what time you book
01:33:52bluebrotherI could like watch flight prices going up
01:34:03florindo the bootable-flags play any role in the partitioning?
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01:34:29Sivart0 idont think so
01:34:39bluebrotherit's only a flag. Not sure if rockbox checks for it though
01:34:39*DerPapst doesn'T know the answer to this question
01:34:57bluebrotherWindows does when it comes to booting
01:34:58AceNikthanks for the info on cost , was thinking somethin but dont think it would work
01:35:51bluebrotherhmm, the debug screen shows partition information but nothing about the bootable flag
01:35:56florinwhere are the messages produced that i see when the booloader attepts to load rockbox?
01:36:09florinthe loader code?
01:37:27amiconnbluebrother: Rockbox doesn't check for it
01:38:30amiconnIt doesn't even check for the partition type when it comes to mounting, except for checking that it's not a type 0x05 (extended) partiton
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01:40:47florinis the IPL-booloader able to load rockbox?
01:40:59florinwhat would it do?
01:41:00DerPapstloader 2 is able to launch rb
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01:41:39florinhow would it manifest? would rb automatically appear in the menu?
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01:44:42Zagortime to go home
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01:49:38chrisjs169anyone on?
01:50:01chrisjs169ok, i get the idea :P
01:50:06Sivart0in theory anyway
01:50:27chrisjs169if my screen is cracked (sansa) and I RMA it due to another problem, will they accept it?
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02:01:02JavacatIs rockbox extremely accurate at calculating how well charged the battery is in an X5?
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02:01:43HellDragonJavacat: :o
02:01:49JavacatHellDragon: :o
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02:03:42hphamanyone there?
02:04:02HellDragonhi hpham
02:04:17hphamhi i was wondering if someone here could help me with a problem
02:04:29hphammy rockbox works fine
02:04:32DerPapsthpham: not unless you ask
02:04:44hphamit wont boot up the apple os
02:04:46hphamit keeps rebooting
02:04:52hphami have a 5.5g video
02:04:58HellDragonhpham: boot with hold button on hold
02:05:06hphamwhen i do that
02:05:10hphami see the apple logo
02:05:12hphamthen it reboots
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02:05:23HellDragonblack screen then reboot ?
02:05:23ivanHmm waiting something for 5.5 i sout?
02:05:27DerPapsthow did you install the bootloader?
02:05:35ivanI thought 5.5 isn't supported yet
02:05:39HellDragonivan: it is
02:05:42HellDragoni run rockbox on my 5.5
02:05:44DerPapst5.5G 80GB is not
02:05:45DerPapst30GB is
02:05:55HellDragon60gb works too i think
02:06:01hphamfirst i installed loader2 v2.5 then i had the same problem when i selected Apple OS from that bootloader menu
02:06:03DerPapstthere is no 5.5G 60GB
02:06:05hphamso i downloaded ipod patcher
02:06:16hphamand i installed it through there using hte i command after it found my ipod
02:06:24ivan5.5g is 80gb
02:06:32hphami have a 30g
02:07:16Lloreanivan: 5.5G is available in both 30gb and 80gb models
02:07:26hphamany clue how to fix it?
02:07:30ivanI don't think it is
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02:07:46ivanbecause 5.5g is the 80GB
02:07:46DerPapstrestore the firmware and use ipodpatcher from the beginning
02:07:55ivanNano 2nd gen and 80GB Video 5.5th gen are not supported)
02:08:16hpham: ( lol any other way?
02:08:47LinusNthere are 5.5G's in 30 and 60GB sizes, and they work with rockbox
02:08:48Lloreanivan: Trust me. 5.5G is not JUST the 80gb.
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02:09:22DerPapstLinusN: the 60GB video model is 5G
02:09:46DerPapstthe 30GB one can either be 5G or 5.5G
02:09:52kkurbjunmarkun, are you around?
02:10:02markunkkurbjun: more or less
02:10:11kkurbjun: )
02:10:18ivanwouldn't the 30GB the 5g?
02:10:24markunkkurbjun: you can even watch me being more or less around on the webcam
02:10:25ivangah i'm so lost
02:10:35ivanI'm about to give up on G
02:11:25Lloreanivan: There were 5Gs in 30gb and 60gb, then 5.5Gs in 30gb and 80gb
02:11:35LloreanThe drive in the 5.5G 30gb is formatted differently than the 5G one
02:11:41kkurbjunhow do you feel about this latest patch:, we discussed it earlier today/yesterday
02:11:49ivanahh ok
02:11:53kkurbjunyeah, which one are you on the cam?
02:12:13ivanLlorean: sorry about that then.. sorry for arguing with you
02:12:17LinusNkkurbjun: check the link on the bottom of the page
02:12:32ivanbecause I was thinking that only thr 5.5g was the 80GB ver
02:12:41scorchekkurbjun: also look for the beard =P
02:13:01florinhow do youknow which version is which? does the ipod say it somehow?
02:13:05scorche...the darker beard
02:13:08kkurbjunLinusn, nice photo :)
02:13:10florin(how can i tell?)
02:13:26DerPapstflorin: 2048bytes per sector is 5.5G
02:13:29DerPapst512 is 5G
02:14:10LinusNkkurbjun: :-)
02:14:32DerPapstor for those with no clue about sectorsizes: If Johnny Depp from Pirates of the Caribbean is on the front of your iPod packaging, it is a 5.5G. If Bono from U2 is on the packaging then it's a 5G iPod.
02:15:29florinholy sh... i just trashed my linux system.
02:15:33cynicalliberalthat's an interesting way to tell the difference
02:15:37DerPapstuh ohh
02:15:40Sivart0florin: good :D
02:15:41florincopied the ipod-linux to root...
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02:16:07DerPapstlinus has something interesting there
02:16:41homieloweso why everyone congregating?
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02:17:19scorchehomielowe: because it is the euro devcon time!
02:17:40homielowescorche: I meant webcam
02:17:52scorchewhat about the webcam?
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02:18:29DerPapstdo rockbox devs need to sleep as well? doesn't seem so. :P 3:20am
02:18:43LinusNflorin: how many logos are there on the back of your ipod (the CE markings etc)?
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02:19:24florinwhich one is the back? the one with johnny depp? two: the apple and the iPod logo
02:19:36LinusNmy 5.5G has only a crossed-over trashcan and the CE marking
02:19:37floriniPod logo == "iPod" string
02:19:56LinusNbut my 5G has several other logos
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02:20:31florinthe trashcan an CE appear on the bottom edge
02:20:36florin(on my package)
02:20:45LinusNi mean on the ipod itself
02:21:19florinthe fruit, "iPod", the trashcan, CE and the (30 GB) hint
02:21:42florinthe very bottom line is just trashcan+CE
02:21:52LinusNlike my 5.5g
02:21:56DerPapstFC, CE, VCI and a ceck sign on my 80GB 5.5G
02:22:14LinusNdamn :-)
02:22:16DerPapstno trashcan
02:22:36florinactually, my trashcan is slashed *ducks*
02:22:38LinusNi thought i was on to something
02:23:07LloreanYeah, that "Do not throw this away" thing
02:24:06LinusNYou can distinguish the Fifth Generation iPod (Late 2006) from the original Fifth Generation iPod by the last three digits of the serial number. The Fifth Generation iPod (Late 2006) serial number's last three digits will be one of the following: V9K, V9P, V9M, V9R, V9L, V9N, V9Q, V9S, WU9, WUA, WUB, WUC, and X3N. The Fifth Generation U2 Special Edition iPod (30 GB Late 2006) serial number's last three digits are W9G.
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02:25:41LinusNthere you go
02:25:51florindoes anybody know some apt-get magic that could provide me with some sane linux again? as soon as i shut down the computer, i'm not going to be able to reboot again...
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02:26:04LinusNwhy not?
02:26:19ivanhmm I have V9R heh
02:26:21florinas i said: i just copied the ipodlinux-fs into /
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02:26:58florinmaybe some base-package dpkg or something...
02:27:09LinusNi have no idea
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02:27:29Sivart0how did you screw up your linux?
02:27:31Joelyflorin, you could possibly do a debootstrap system....
02:28:08florinwhat's da debootstrap?
02:29:00Joelyit'll download the base packages and everything....then you can chroot into it
02:29:26kkurbjunmarkun, did you get that link?
02:29:46florinSivart0: cp work/ipodlinux/fs/* -dpR /mnt/
02:30:23florin_but_ /mnt was a mountpoint for /dev/sda3 instead of /dev/sdb3... which just happens to be my linux root partition.
02:30:52Sivart0>_> oh fun
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02:36:03florinJoely: how's this debootstrap supposed to work? i assume i'd have to boot from CD, right? and have the files somewhere handy (i can download them using TheOtherOS...)
02:36:52Sivart0yo umean windows?
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02:37:03florinmacos :-)
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02:39:57Joelyno, i meant from the computer you're on now, just put in a large flash drive or something and do something like `debootstrap _suite_of_debian_ /target/drive' that'll download the files from the web. then just use kexec to boot right back into the kernel of the new system, then copy the flash drive to where it should be (the root partition)
02:40:23Joelypm me if you still need help
02:41:23kkurbjunmarkun, also as a note, I think I have a gigabeat now that exhibits those problems run into with the sc606 changes and the USB bootloader mode. I have a patch on the bootloader problem, I want to test it out more, and I want to make sure I run into the freezing problem on shutdown with the updated sc606 driver, but now I can at least test against 2.0 and 3.0 OF
02:41:29aliaskHi everyone at devcon! Can I get a wave?
02:41:32florini can't −− my coreutils are already unusable −− i'm stuck with whatever application i have running now (that would be firefox, xchat and a bunch of useless xterms... :-' )
02:41:56florini think i'll think it through tomorrow some time, with some live CD or something.
02:42:20florinfor now, i'll grab a beer and then go to bed.
02:43:19florinbut thanks for the debootstrap-hint, i just googled for it. i think you might just have saved me a week's time of software reinstalls...
02:44:01*petur waves at aliask
02:45:23floring'night everybody, thanks for the help with rockbox so far
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02:53:31XavierGrah devcon hackers with rockbox t-shirts! :D
02:53:43DerPapstnearly 4am and there are still rb devs awake o.O
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02:54:35DerPapstanyways. good night at all
02:54:49pixelmaDerPapst: I thought you were in Germany? I would be surprised if Dresden was 1 hour ahead
02:55:31DerPapstit's 3am here
02:55:49DerPapsti thought it's 4am in stockholm
02:56:22pixelmanope ... I didn't have to adjust my clock
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02:57:27DerPapstheh.. same timezone then
02:57:28*petur kicks linux
02:57:45XavierGrah is that petur in the leftmost front of the picture?
02:57:55Sivart0yes petur, kick linux
02:58:04Sivart0make it hurt
02:58:06XavierGrwow! that's a lot of bottles in front of him! :P
02:58:13Sivart0i wanna see
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02:58:30peturhi XavierGr
02:58:39XavierGrhello! nice to see you on devcon
02:58:44jimmymacgood morning chaps
02:58:55XavierGrI wonder how you can program with all this alchohol! hehe
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02:59:12LinusNXavierGr: easy, we don't drink it :-)
02:59:28Sivart0alcohol kills off weak brain cells
02:59:38Sivart0causing the brain to work more efficently
02:59:43peturleaves you with only the good ones...
02:59:48jimmymacmay I ask, what does it mean if my nano is able to play music using both the original firmware and rockbox, appears to function perfectly, yet cannot be accessed in windows (I'm prompted to format it...)?
02:59:49XavierGrI guess you are keeping it for those so called "devcon conferences" :D
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03:00:02LinusNyeah, i still have my good brain cell left
03:00:22Sivart0as in singular? :D
03:00:32XavierGroh amiconn is packing up! are you calling it a day?
03:00:44LinusNa night, really
03:00:53XavierGryeah I mean the end of it :P
03:01:03scorcheBag.der, zagor, and cassandra already left
03:01:28XavierGrwhat time is it there? 2am (it is 4 am here just got back)
03:01:41scorcheXavierGr: look in the lower right corner ;)
03:01:48XavierGroops :)
03:01:51XavierGrdummy me
03:02:02XavierGrwell it is rather late there too
03:02:07DerPapstgood night at all
03:02:12Sivart0somebody do something stupid :D
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03:02:46XavierGrsomeone make a face at us...
03:03:38Sivart0i gtg
03:03:42Sivart0laters everybody
03:03:48Sivart0have fun devcon peoples
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03:05:52XavierGrwhat will you leave for a night picture? I remember a nano with plasma plugin playing all night last year
03:08:25XavierGrah it seems they all left! Goodnight...
03:09:21LinusNyup, time to shut down the webcam, night all!
03:09:44scorchesee you in...7 hours?
03:09:54LinusNsomething like that
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03:22:45*ivan dreams of rockbox on the 80g
03:22:58scorchestop bringing it up..
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07:22:54ThePredatorI have rockbox on my Ipod nano; for a while I have been able to mount it and put files on it correctly in ubuntu. But for some reason it will only mount it read only
07:23:06ThePredatorI have tried manually mounting it with -w
07:23:12ThePredatorbut that doesn't work
07:23:22ThePredatorHow do I get it to mount it read-write?
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07:29:52ThePredatordosfsck says this
07:29:55ThePredatordosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN
07:29:55ThePredatorThere are differences between boot sector and its backup.
07:29:55ThePredatorDifferences: (offset:original/backup)
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08:08:12caduyahooo! rockbox conference!
08:08:26cadui can immagine what the guys are doing!
08:09:22cadugiving a big party, no, a rave, to test the new random song code, and the party mode, and crossfading, all with beer and whatever! whoa, nice way to test code!
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09:24:04RockingDhello. are there any docs on codec structure?
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10:31:00JdGordonhey all
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10:32:11JdGordonhows devcon going?
10:32:24bluebrothermorning :)
10:32:33markunJdGordon: webcam is almost back again
10:33:06scorchei was offering to make a conference, but i need a volunteer computer there =P
10:33:18*petur is on gizmo
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10:37:35scorchewho is hiding in the back there?
10:39:00scorcheLinusN: so do you have a computer there you can install skype on with a mic and speakers?
10:40:17LinusNskype sounds like a bag of shit anyway
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10:42:12LinusNi can see that people seem to be obsessed with two things; beer and skype
10:42:34peturbeer is good though ;)
10:42:51LinusNtastes better than a headset
10:42:55*bluebrother agrees
10:42:56scorchewell, it would be nice for when you guys are talking about decisions to be made and such, so others can pipe in too
10:43:13bluebrothersetup a shoutcast ;-)
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10:43:25jaczehackskype is teh shite
10:43:40LinusNwell said anders fun, you are
10:44:55bluebrotherbtw, I noticed that the devcon html page is missing the closing html tag. Not that it matters ...
10:45:57pixelmabluebrother: trying to find a good way to get rid of "hard disks" mentioned in manuals for the flash based players. Is there or would there be a possibility to have something in the platform files to use as "\opt" - or do you have a better idea?
10:46:41LinusNbluebrother: fixed
10:46:49LinusNyou can close the report
10:47:01bluebrotherLinusN, closed :D
10:47:19JdGordonLinusN: everyone is obsessed with beer.. the skype is for us cheap buggers who want to participate int he discussions (?) without having to shhuot really loudly...
10:47:25bluebrotherpixelma, I think introducing a \disk macro in the platform files would be the easiest.
10:47:53bluebrothersimilar to the \dap macro
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10:50:41pixelmaok... I'll look into it but I guess it'll turn out to be more work than I would've imagined (if done right, I should replace workarounds that are possibly there atm)
10:51:13bluebrotherright. But no better idea here.
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10:58:31desowin23:50 the biggest tower of Rockbox ever built ;-) <- what was this ? any photo ?
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11:17:42LinusNok, we now have a link to the tower of rockbox picture
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11:19:15desowinjust what I thought
11:19:21scorcheLinusN: sounds like a challenge =P
11:20:05desowinexpensive 'cards' used in it lol
11:20:44B4gderthat's actually not all targets present
11:26:29bluebrotherthat picture of the agenda was blurry :o
11:26:43B4gderhehe indeed
11:27:20bluebrotherat least it seems the agenda itself isn't that blurry ;-)
11:28:21JdGordonwhos the dafkanic not wearing his rb tshirt?
11:28:42bluebrotherwhat is "dafkanic"?
11:28:52*JdGordon couldnt think of a decent english work for that :'(
11:29:09JdGordonsomeone who does everything different fjust to be different :
11:29:21LinusNdevcon time! down to the conference room
11:29:54scorchetake a computer with skype with you!
11:30:01bluebrotherwe're loosing them! aaah!
11:30:06JdGordonthis is the part we want skype :'(
11:30:08AceNikcan anyone gimme the link to the tshirts shop
11:30:11bluebrothertake the webcam with you ;-)
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11:30:46scorchethey are gone =(
11:30:47JdGordonnows our chance.. someone go and nick all their daps :p
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11:40:53JdGordonand took a bit out of one of the laptops
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15:14:09JdGordonhey barrywardell
15:14:54JdGordonhope you dont mind me putting the partition dumpiong code into the bootloader code? I installed rockbox on my dads e200 and it had a different OF version so i tried to get the dump to fiure out the byte to change
15:15:17JdGordon.... but recovery mode screwed up so i lost the old OF and didnt get a abckup... so i'll never know :p
15:15:29barrywardellI noticed it. I think it's handy to have it in there
15:16:07JdGordonfortunalty pastebin still had it and google kicks ass :)
15:16:40barrywardellmaybe someone with some spare time will be able to run through and the dump all the firmware versions
15:17:14JdGordonlots of spare time...
15:17:30JdGordonI was goin to do it for the latest version of the OF, but its a windows only install and im on linux
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15:18:40barrywardellyou can get a zip file of most versions from the anythingbutipod forums
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15:25:37JdGordonhey Toni1
15:25:47Toni1JdGordon: I checked your sd-card patch: Your new timeout check caused the problems here.
15:25:59JdGordonok, I figured as much...
15:26:20Toni1arg1 and arg2 should be exchanged :)
15:26:21JdGordonso its taking longer than 5s to get the main chip setup?
15:26:35Toni1no the check is wrong
15:27:02JdGordonin TIME_AFTER?
15:27:02Toni1But additionally my d-card sometimes need more than 5s to detect
15:27:15JdGordonah, bugger... always get that one confused
15:27:36JdGordondo we put a retry in after a fwe sec or something?
15:27:57Toni1or extend the timeout time here?
15:28:23bluebrothermore than 5 seconds to initialize a sd card?
15:28:36*JdGordon rekons Toni1's card is buggered
15:28:45Toni1Would be interesting, if only I get this long detection time or others as well
15:29:02Toni1bluebrother: yes :(
15:29:16JdGordonshuold we be handling errors properly? instead of just returning?
15:29:21bluebrotherhow are you trying to initialize the card? Repeating ACMD41?
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15:30:28Toni1ah, yes ACND41
15:30:28bluebrotherCMD55 followed by CMD41
15:30:48bluebrotherhave you tried switching to CMD1 after ACMD41?
15:30:56bluebrotherI had a case where this helped greatly
15:31:14Toni1ok, will try later
15:32:56Toni1do you know, what CMD1 does?
15:33:02JdGordonToni1: another thing to try, ata-e200.c:704, check ifdisk_mount()==0 and if it does retry it a few times?
15:33:20JdGordonI'm not sureif it willl or not bcause the card init returns void?
15:34:14bluebrotherToni1, this page might help:
15:34:31Toni1ok, thanks
15:34:46bluebrotherit sums up some things from the sd specs quite shortly
15:35:24DerPapstwhee.. webcam activity :)
15:35:43bluebrotherno ... devcon activity ;-)
15:36:19*petur burps a bit
15:36:21TrueJournalsAnyone know what the people at devcon are working on?
15:36:43JdGordonToni1: i.e
15:36:50DerPapstno. they don't even know that theirselfs
15:36:59TrueJournalsDidn't think so ;-)
15:37:43bluebrotherthe SD Specifications Part 1 - Physical Layer Simplified Specification is also really interesting. It's linked on the SDC entry at wikipedia
15:37:43JdGordonpetur: anything interesting get discussed? or did you all just drink the beer the whole time?
15:38:03peturno beer (just a local one for lunch)
15:38:19peturlots of discussion, some more to do soon
15:38:22bluebrotheroh, those hackers get younger all the time :)
15:38:35petursome pics coming up
15:38:58*JdGordon wonders if a yield() shold go in that retry loop
15:41:10DerPapstit's even in the ipod video driver because bcm_finishup takes 4ms ;)
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15:43:14Lloreanbluebrother: What did Colombo's deleted post say? Was it offensive or just stupid?
15:43:39bluebrotherLlorean, what post? I haven't deleted one
15:44:10bluebrotherand I can't remember reading one Colombo-post recently
15:44:12LloreanOh, I misread the log
15:44:25LloreanI was looking at the last post *I* deleted of his.
15:44:45LloreanThere's a moderation log, it shows who performs moves/deletions, but doesn't give me the content of deleted posts.
15:44:50LloreanI misread it.
15:44:58bluebrotherah. No problem ...
15:45:17LloreanI got a PM from Colombo this morning, and was surprised that he hadn't posted again, checked the log, saw a deleted post of his in it, and misread it.
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15:45:40JdGordonToni1: ah crap.. sort of good news... it just froze doing a insert with one of my cards...
15:46:31LloreanTo be honest I was slightly hoping there was an excuse to ban him. Ah well, I'm sure he's going to reach that point soon, but I don't want to ban someone just because I suspect they're going to go too far.
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15:47:48JdGordonToni1: and bugger... couldnt reproduce after reset, and ive done about 20 hotplugs now with 2 sansas and 2 cards and only had the one crash...
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15:50:07*bluebrother would like to help with the sd card but is missing a sansa and a bit more time
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15:53:51bluebrotherout for coffee −− bbl
15:55:07Toni1JdGordon: so I'm not the only one :)
15:55:50JdGordoni tinhk thats about the 4th crash ive had since you got it working... so Its not easy really helkpful
15:57:10JdGordonyep, just did another batch of mass hotswapping and al worked fine...
15:57:24JdGordonprobably going ot break the locking mechanism if i keep doig this :p
15:57:59Toni1probably I did already :)
15:58:41*petur uploaded some pics at petur/devcon2007/"> and nudges Bagder
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16:00:46JdGordonok.. the whiteboard pics got me curious...
16:01:25JdGordondealing with the 32/64mb ipods?
16:01:34B4gder10 points to JdGordon
16:01:48peturout of 100 :p
16:01:55JdGordonhehe doh!
16:05:25JdGordonToni1: card->initialized is never actually checked to make sure its inited?
16:05:26DerPapsthehe... amiconn look like he doesn't like the idea of whomever. petur/devcon2007/images/dscf0004.jpg">
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16:09:15Toni1JdGordon: only in the debug_screen I think
16:09:33JdGordonI've added some checks to read/write_sectors
16:09:42JdGordonno sureif it will d anytthing though
16:11:00Sivart0backness! ^_^
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16:12:11Toni1I tried CMD1 here, but I always get freezes.
16:12:24JdGordonToni1: is the relevant changes from ata-e200.c
16:12:36JdGordonI dunno if they will do anything, but shuold probably be added anyway
16:12:51JdGordon.. into svn even, unless there is better error handling that could be done?
16:13:43JdGordonignore that 2nd message, not needed untill the sdcard is being used
16:15:23JdGordonhmm... maybe I do need to find the db rebuild byte after all :(
16:16:00Toni1JdGordon: Did you already have a discussion with other devs reagrding the 'microSD1' name?
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16:17:07JdGordonno, havnt spoken to anyon about it
16:17:36Toni1So you don't like SDCARD1?
16:18:41JdGordonmay as well do SD1 then
16:19:34Toni1probably it's a matter of personal preference :)
16:21:02JdGordongrr... jhMikeS broke the bootloader.. buttons arnt read
16:21:05LloreanjhMikeS: Around?
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16:23:05JdGordonis GPIOF_INT_CLR = GPIOF_INT_STAT; in button_int() bad in the bootloader if the interrupts arnt enabled?
16:24:13DerPapstyay! my 'pod is fixed :-D exchanged mobo and headphone ribbon cable :-)
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16:33:12JdGordondamn dumping the partition takes ages
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16:40:28LloreanJdGordon: Going to compare it with a dump while USB connected to look for the don't rescan bit?
16:41:51JdGordondone already.... but I have 3 changed bytes
16:41:57JdGordonand noe change to 01..
16:42:11JdGordon-007839f0 14 00 00 00 1c 38 00 00 05 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |.....8..........|
16:42:11JdGordon+007839f0 14 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
16:42:26JdGordon1c 38 or 05....
16:42:35JdGordoncant remember what the other 2 looked like :(
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16:43:20*JdGordon shooting off email to dev ml
16:43:20LloreanOf course, if you just wait for us to have a USB stack, it won't matter so much any more. ;)
16:43:29JdGordonthis is faster...
16:44:44LloreanBagder: ld on 5G Bootloader and Sim
16:46:42*B4gder hits petur's forehead
16:47:23*petur takes beerbottle....
16:47:32B4gderI _did_ have to modify the build script
16:48:40B4gderbtw, try the release link on the site now
16:49:04LloreanThat makes me quite happy
16:49:36B4gdershould make it harder for users to get it by accident
16:49:58JdGordonB4gder: doesnt that imply that the current builds are more supported than we want them to belive?
16:50:15LloreanWe accept bug reports on current builds.
16:50:16B4gderthey're more supported than 2.5 is I'd say
16:50:20LloreanThey really are more supported than 2.5
16:50:37ptw419is devcon still going?
16:51:06B4gderwe con lots of devs
16:51:08JdGordonno, I mean, dont we keep saying that the current builds are development builds and not nesaccerily ready for users?
16:51:34B4gderwell yes possibly
16:51:40B4gderbut 2.5 is for Archos only
16:51:51B4gderand even for Archoses, a current build is what we recommend
16:53:11JdGordonright, but then that page does say that the current build is "ready" for users... maybe add a note that there may be horrible bugs int he current build?
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17:03:01toffe82hello devcon people, did you move since yesterday ?
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17:23:09DerPapsthmm.. anyone knows how to increase the contrast on 3G iPods (except using the setting in the fw).
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17:27:25jac0bI am trying to use mediacoder but can't get it to notice the rockbox extensiont
17:28:05jac0bwhat folder do I put the extensions in?
17:28:38ptw419does anyone know of a program that will dump only machine code of a program?
17:28:50ptw419a disassembler i mean
17:28:54Lloreanjac0b: It looks like it says on the wiki page.
17:29:15ptw419yeah, objdump dumps the code as well...maybe i can use a script to edit this out....
17:29:17jac0bI tried that but there is not folder C:\Program Files\MediaCoder\extensions\
17:29:22LloreanThere's also the beginnings of an ARM disassembler in the patch tracker, right?
17:29:36Lloreanjac0b: Well then figure out where you installed mediacoder to.
17:29:50jac0bI installed the defaults
17:29:54Lloreanjac0b: It's not our software, and someone just added that to the wiki page, so this isn't really the right place to ask for help about how to properly install extensions for it
17:30:05jac0bI found and extenstions folder in C:\Program Files\MediaCoder\htdocs\extensions
17:30:28alienbiker99is anybody selling a working h120 board?
17:30:34jac0balright I will try the mediacoder forums
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17:39:35toffe82cell phone are not allowed in the class room :)
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17:42:18B4gderlinus talks to his daughter...
17:44:07LloreanB4gder: Can we by chance get a decision about the H100 record button during devcon? It seems people are beginning to talk about it again.
17:44:33B4gdera good idea
17:44:37LloreanI think almost everyone will agree long press going to the recording screen is a decent idea. It's short press that's the more debatable one (ideas include: Playlist viewer or FM Radio)
17:44:47*B4gder adds it to his agenda paper
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17:46:44toffe82perhaps this was asked before, but is there a way that the plug ins used the selected font, I have problem with some plugins because the font is really small ?
17:47:09Sivart0what does that paper say?
17:47:21B4gderthe agenda with my notes on
17:47:32B4gderbut it isn't really visible on th ecam
17:50:05Sivart0lol @ Cassandra's face
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18:04:37AceNikhey guys
18:06:34amiconnHmm, JdGordon isn't here :/
18:06:42peturace of base?
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18:53:02andrewyhas anyone used a toshiba gigabeat meg-f40 with rockbox? does it work fine?
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18:53:34toffe82yes, it works really good
18:54:08toffe82particularly the mpeg viewer
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18:55:07andrewydoes it work with like the iriver?
18:56:21LloreanFeatures of Rockbox that don't depend on special hardware (like a color screen, or an FM Radio) are nearly identical on all non-Archos players
18:57:26andrewyah, cool
18:58:26andrewymy iriver won't start unless its plugged in, but if I plug it in to turn it on and then unplug it, it can run for a long time. anyone have any idea why that would be?
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18:58:50andrewyI would think it was a dead battery, but it runs on the battery fine once I plug it in to start it
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19:01:31LinusNandrewy: which model?
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19:02:39andrewyLinusN: h320
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19:03:07andrewyit happens with the official firmware too, and i've tried several different versions
19:04:32LinusNi guess the PCF50606 powerbutton input is broken
19:04:47LinusNso the CPU can sense the button but not the pcf50606
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19:04:59andrewyanything I can do to fix that?
19:05:08LinusNunfortunately not
19:05:30LinusN(provided my theory is correct of course)
19:05:40andrewyit fits
19:05:49andrewyi'll just get a gigabeat then
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19:06:55markunandrewy: join the club :)
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19:10:55a1titudeIs there any close-up shots of cassandras computer? It looks kinda intresting...
19:11:36peturIĺl take a pic
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19:13:02Nico_Pwhat kind of computer is it ?
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19:13:36peturtablet pc
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19:15:26peturpetur/DSCF0034.JPG"> (rotate it yourself ;) )
19:15:35TrueJournalsOK... Do I need to do something to get the test_codec plugin to compile correctly? I added it to FILES... do I need to do something else?
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19:16:19TrueJournalsSo THAT'S what the projecter shows... ;-)
19:16:44a1titudethats pretty neat!
19:17:37a1titudeThats a good camera too!
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19:20:06bluebrotherTrueJournals, you need to add it to viewers.config
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19:20:18element_gmidkay here?
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19:21:55petura1titude: pic taken without flash (slow shutter speed), good thing we haven't started on the beer yet ;)
19:22:19TrueJournalsbluebrother: Still getting errors while compiling:
19:25:25Mode"#rockbox +o Cassandra " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
19:25:32Topic"#rockbox - the badgers still haven't arrived yet." by Cassandra (
19:26:11Mode"#rockbox -o Cassandra " by Cassandra (
19:26:35TrueJournalsbluebrother: any idea?
19:28:24LloreanTrueJournals: What target are you compiling for?
19:28:45TrueJournalsLlorean: h10
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19:29:40LloreanAnd I assume the usual caveats of "clean build directory, no other patches" applies?
19:30:04TrueJournalsLet me try getting a fresh SVN, just to make sure
19:31:02LloreanYou can check for modified files with "svn st"
19:31:15TrueJournalsdidn't think about that ;-\
19:33:52TrueJournalstrying to compile again...
19:35:08LloreanDefinitely doesn't work
19:35:26LloreanYou'll just need to fix the button mappings
19:35:32LloreanSince I guess the H10 doesn't have a BUTTON_SELECT
19:35:43B4gderyes, looks like that
19:36:02LloreanWith the H10 slider, couldn't we make a short tap of the very center "Select"
19:36:07LloreanKinda like on the Toshiba cross?
19:36:17TrueJournalsWell, I would make the "O" button "Select"
19:36:40LloreanI thought the H10 had less buttons than other targets already
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19:36:59TrueJournalsWell, I don't really know what other buttons are being used there that would interfere
19:37:15LloreanB4gder: Your commit broke things
19:38:20LloreanHm, the Circle button is already referred to as "Select" in the manual
19:38:27*Llorean wonders why the define isn't BUTTON_SELECT then
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19:38:36TrueJournalsWhich is why I was thinking that's how we should have it...
19:38:44TrueJournalsit's used for the right button in some plugins
19:38:57TrueJournalsWhere would this need to be defined?
19:39:09B4gderin the test plugin
19:39:25B4gderI mean, within the code there is no SELECT right now
19:40:01B4gdersee firmware/target/arm/iriver/h10/button-target.h
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19:40:38TrueJournalsIt's because it's defined as BUTTON_RIGHT
19:40:56*bluebrother returns
19:41:17TrueJournalsBut if I just do a define of BUTTON_SELECT and map it to the same thing as BUTTON_RIGHT, would it work fine?
19:41:38B4gder#define BUTTON_SELECT BUTTON_RIGHT
19:43:01TrueJournalsWell, it compiles fine now... There won't be any complications with that, will there? (Or can't you say?)
19:43:22B4gderI doubt that, but I haven't looked at the code
19:43:30bluebrothernice to see this amount of tasks getting closed :)
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19:47:03a1titudeHow do you developers feel the devcon is going?
19:47:10B4gderyeah, just wait for all the "please re-open this" request to fly in ;-)
19:47:50B4gdera1titude: apart from Linus' bad jokes, we're greaaaat
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19:48:40TrueJournalsHmmm... I think I need to recompile the bootloader too...
19:48:52a1tituderofl, bad jokes? Theres no such thing! :p
19:49:07TrueJournalsLet's hear one ;-)
19:49:09B4gderthat's easy to say when you don't hear them! ;-O
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19:50:06B4gderJens said "grr, I have this freezing problem!", with Linus' response "oh, you think we should adjust the air conditioner"
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19:50:36a1titudelol thats funny!
19:51:29TrueJournalsGreat... now rockbox won't boot...
19:51:47B4gderbooting is soo overrated anyway
19:52:13TrueJournalsAnd you say Linus' jokes are bad?
19:52:37B4gderI'm infected!
19:52:44a1titudeI've heard worse blond jokes
19:53:13a1titudeLike, Did u hear about the blond at the stop sign? Shes still there!!!! :)
19:53:48TrueJournalsB4gder: Bootloader message:
19:53:48bluebrotherhehe, freezing problem :D
19:53:52TrueJournalsAnd then... nothing happens...
19:54:31LloreanSame thing happens on my Sansa
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19:54:42TrueJournalsSomebody broke rockbox...
19:54:47bluebrotherthis binary size value looks somewhat small to me
19:54:54bluebrotherassuming it's bytes
19:55:43TrueJournalsyeah, the binary is 456 KB...
19:56:51Llorean456kb is roughly the expected size
19:57:11LloreanBut SVN binaries for the Sansa e200, and apparently H10, aren't booting right now
19:57:16LloreaniPod Nano works fine though
19:57:18TrueJournalsYes, but according to the bootloader, mi4 size is 72000 (72 KB I'm guessing....)
19:57:38bluebrotherany idea what this value was before it stopped working?
19:58:00TrueJournalsWant me to try yesterday's daily?
19:58:17LloreanDid someone mess with the MI4 generation code?
19:58:29bluebrothermight help. Unless someone else can tell use more details −− I'm not familiar with mi4
19:58:46TrueJournalsAre there daily builds anymore? I don't see a link...
19:58:56bluebrotherlook for "archived builds"
19:59:22TrueJournalsAh, I see
19:59:37B4gderI find it very strange that my commit made the sansa build *2* bytes smaller
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20:00:49LloreanB4gder: Well some recent commit broke the MI4 players, it seems
20:01:05TrueJournalsbah, text goes to fast...
20:01:59TrueJournalsmi4 size using yesterday's daily shows up at 72000
20:02:18TrueJournals(Using today's bootloader... let me try an older one)
20:02:38bluebrothertodays bootloader?
20:02:47TrueJournalsI compiled a bootloader today
20:02:56TrueJournalsbecause I wasn't sure if that was the cause
20:03:15LloreanIt's not a generally good idea to just update bootloaders without knowing there's a reason to
20:03:25Lloreanbluebrother: But it is a problem with known-good bootloaders
20:03:27bluebrotherthat might be a problem. There is a reason why bootloaders aren't released with svn builds
20:03:43Lloreanbluebrother: I have the "official" bootloader on my Sansa and experience the same problem.
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20:04:00bluebrotherah. If it's known that the problem also exists with a released bootloader we can at least be sure that it's something different
20:04:35TrueJournalsWell, I have to go...
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20:22:14peturbeer time :D
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20:37:48toffe82can you ship a pack of chimay to the US ;)
20:38:23peturI figure preglow would like a pack of those too :)
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20:41:22avenged_onewuts up with the forums?
20:41:38a1titudeIs there any rule against changing my name in the forums?
20:42:04RogerBaconuhh .... canadien beer is better :)
20:42:16B4gderthey have beer in canada?
20:42:20*B4gder ducks
20:42:21peturavenged_one: what with the forums?
20:42:30avenged_onebut yeah, i was looking in the e200r thread and there are 1 or 2 less posts then there was last night
20:42:41RogerBaconB4gder : yes
20:42:45B4gderwell, that thread gets heaps of usless posts
20:42:55*petur hits RogerBacon with a Chimay bottle
20:43:21bagawkpetur: most beer come in that large of a bottle there?
20:43:32B4gderand I find wildly suggesting a buffer overflow approach without even understand what it is is quite useless too...
20:43:44*RogerBacon brb, will take a great beer and go outside ...
20:44:12midkayelement_g: yes!
20:44:53peturbagawk: no, most are 25 or 33 cl but some brands offer 75cl, 1.5L and 3L :)
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20:45:19peturwoohoo new build score record
20:46:53avenged_oneSo does anyone have any information on progress on getting the e200r to play a custom bootloader
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20:47:16Lloreanavenged_one: Any progress would be in the thread, most likely
20:47:34avenged_oneok, in that case there has been none for 4eva
20:47:43B4gderthere's no progress and I don't know of anyone actually trying anything
20:47:43avenged_oneok thanks tho
20:48:22B4gderno R model owner seems to be interested and skilled enough
20:48:39avenged_onewell that sux
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20:49:39XavierGrwow I couldn't imagine that amiconn could score so high! :P
20:50:00B4gderwe give him a good taunting for that
20:50:10Lloreana1titude: I don't see any reason to disallow it. If someone figures out a way to cause problems by doing it, then it might be prevented later, but I can just turn off the function if it's a problem. Since name changing is still turned on, go ahead.
20:51:15DerPapstpetur: afaik amiconn scored a while back even higher. about 24.000 or so ;)
20:51:27XavierGrhehe indeed
20:52:50XavierGrbagder you must update the build script to store the high scores tables, or at least store the highest for historic reasons :D
20:52:55*amiconn is da breakah
20:52:57peturok, I admit I don't really keep a highscore list ;)
20:53:21amiconnIt's just that the function added to the api uncovered an .h file name collision between core and zxbox
20:53:27*amiconn is about to commit the fix
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21:00:13toffe82I asked something this morning and it seems nobody answer : is it possible for the plugins to use the selected font ? can this be in the guideline for plugins ?
21:00:50B4gderI don't understand the question
21:00:58B4gderyes the plugins can use the font
21:01:14toffe82but not the one you can select in the menu
21:01:25LloreanThey should be able to use user font.
21:01:44LloreanBut it doesn't make sense to do so in many cases, because the user font can be ridiculously large and make things not fit on screen.
21:01:44toffe82but no plugin use this
21:01:51bluebrotherthere are a couple of plugins that use the user font
21:02:09bluebrothere.g. the stats plugin, or the credits
21:02:14toffe82there are some plugin , I can't red because of the font
21:02:22toffe82read ^^
21:02:52bluebrothereh −− you telling no plugins use the user font, but you can't read some plugins because of the font?
21:03:22bluebrotherwhat do you mean exactly? Those plugins using the userfont don't work nicely if the font is rather large or what?
21:03:38Lloreantoffe82: Which plugins do you have troubles with?
21:03:51Lloreanbluebrother: I think he means that for some plugins, the use of the sysfont makes them difficult to read.
21:04:26toffe82example : brickmania use small fonts even if the one selected is bigger
21:04:52toffe82I used the ajax themes which has big font
21:05:01LloreanBrickmania uses bitmapped words.
21:05:15toffe82even the help ?
21:05:34LloreanNot the help
21:05:36bluebrothernope. The help text needs to get adjusted.
21:05:49toffe82bubbles ?
21:05:54LloreanBut too large a font for the help would require that it then have code to scroll
21:05:58bluebrothera generic text-widget like thing would be nice for that.
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21:06:16toffe82Llorean: yes
21:07:00bluebrotherit's easier to just use the sysfont ;-) But like the screens in the core itself, all plugins should be capable handling the user font
21:07:44Lloreantoffe82: So, feel free to update any plugin you feel should be using the userfont.
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21:11:51toffe82;) if one day I have time to do something
21:12:15amiconnLlorean: A number of plugins has code to reflow help texts depending on the selected font
21:12:19amiconn(e.g. solitaire)
21:12:43Lloreanamiconn: Yes, my point wasn't that it can't be done. Just that it was probably easier for the authors this way
21:12:50amiconnPerhaps this code is a candidate for the plugin lib
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21:13:06LloreanA good set of flowing text routines would probably be helpful
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21:15:05toffe82it would be nice to have the same font everywhere
21:15:30B4gderit would be nice to have no bugs
21:15:31toffe82except if there is a need for a specail font
21:16:26a1titudeit would me nice to have 80gb ipod support! haha jk :p
21:18:15amiconnsvn obviously doesn't like me today :\
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21:33:15Zagornow with officially sanctioned shirt
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21:42:21*Zagor initiates upgrade of Flyspray
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21:46:43n1sZagor: ooh :-)
21:47:17bluebrothercooool :)
21:47:36n1snice cleanup in the tracker btw
21:48:02bluebrotherwill we get FS 0.9.9?
21:49:10Zagor0.9.9.1 even
21:49:59*bluebrother does the new-flyspray-dance
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21:51:31bluebrotherhehe ... this is hillarious:
21:52:48bluebrothermaybe we should have something like that for new user registration ;-)
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21:53:09B4gdernow that's something for us to copy!
21:53:26bluebrothermaybe add it to the download page as well ;-)
21:55:27bluebrotherbtw, has anyone ever though about a developer's blog for Rockbox?
21:55:35bluebrother(but I guess there won't be much interest)
21:56:34ZagorI think there is lots of interest to read it, but very little to write it :-)
21:56:43DerPapstThe recent svn activity is better than any blog ;)
21:56:58B4gderI once tried to update one
21:57:05B4gderI failed rather soon
21:59:30*B4gder does some build scripts fiddling in the background and hopes it won't show...
22:00:35*bluebrother gets himself a beer −− unfortunately no belgium one
22:03:34peturbluebrother: here's to you ;)
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22:03:48bluebrotherpetur, thanks :)
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22:08:11AceNikhey guys the t-shirts u wearing are different where can one get them & for how much
22:08:23Zagorthere, no more pesky bug reports ;)
22:08:41B4gderAceNik: come here and you'll get one for free! ;-)
22:08:43AceNiki did visit cafepress they dont have these blue stripes u have n the shirts
22:09:00DerPapstZager: true.. 404
22:09:02LloreanAceNik: Approximatley the cost of a flight to sweden, within the next 15 hours or so
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22:09:09AceNikB4gder:another 3 yrs definately im in
22:09:15bluebrother403 here
22:09:32B4gderthese shirts are donated by Haxx
22:09:38AceNikB4gder:i need to finish graduation first
22:09:48AceNikB4gder:they cool nice ones
22:11:22B4gderwell, Haxx only does cool stuff ;-P
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22:12:02bluebrotherdoesn't the name imply this? :p
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22:18:29AceNikwhat des this statement imply , "There should be more badgers in Rockbox"
22:18:43AceNiki thought badger was someone's name?
22:19:15LinusNwe should hire competent developers instead of us lamers
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22:19:43CassandraWell put it simple layman's terms, it means that there should be more small black and white stripey mammals with attitude in Rockbox.
22:20:01AceNik] LinusN: You kidding me , cme on dont be modest
22:20:17B4gderno zebras are good
22:20:19B4gderwe need them
22:20:21AceNikwell i got the point
22:21:19AceNikso basically an all rounder at rockbox aye?
22:21:19Cassandrazebras aren't small.
22:21:22B4gderpoint? no stripes!
22:21:31AceNikwhat fields particularly?
22:21:34LinusNcompared to an elephant they are
22:22:10CassandraIndian or African?
22:23:01AceNik(themes: lean, consistent and modern look rather than a focus on "eye candy".) i agree but somewhat eye candy is needed dont you think
22:23:42AceNikso basically an all rounder at rockbox aye? is a badger?
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22:26:18bluebrothermore badgers for Rockbox?
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22:37:35ptw419is someone available who is good with a text formatting program like awk or sed
22:37:38ptw419or grep even
22:38:06B4gderask the question instead and you'll find out
22:38:37ptw419i'm trying to extract machine code from objdump -d output
22:39:07ptw419i've gotten i=match($2,[:xdigit:]
22:39:33ptw419i get what i want but also additional output not needed
22:39:54bluebrotherhmm, tracker is still 403 :(
22:40:23B4gderyou mean just the hex ?
22:40:33pixelmabluebrother: currently fixing some typos and stuff from the latest manual commit - but at the same time there seems to be problems with dealing with the new credits but I don't know how that works...
22:41:18bluebrotherpixelma, checking
22:41:20B4gderptw419: then why not just use hexdump or od?
22:42:22bluebrotherah, it's the underscores in the game music emu team
22:42:42ptw419aww, not familiar with those, but i'll try that instead.
22:43:11*DerPapst is still missing "The iPodLinux Team" in the credits file...
22:43:16ptw419maybe it'll be easier then writing a script ^_^
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22:43:32pixelmabluebrother: right, so you know what has to be done?
22:43:44B4gderptw419: if hexdump is all you want, hexdump is a better tool ;-)
22:44:21bluebrothermanual/ needs to escape them. Working at it ...
22:44:22ptw419thanks badger, this maybe easier
22:45:10pixelmabluebrother: thanks :)
22:45:12*B4gder is now badger
22:46:58B4gderDerPapst: ipl team added
22:47:16DerPapstB4gder: thanks :)
22:47:38B4gderI think it feels good to finally get the credits done better
22:51:48LinusNwhat a gem!!!
22:51:58n1sI love the "Ease of use" feature :-)
22:52:01ZagorI would like ease of use too
22:52:39LinusNi don't
22:53:15bluebrotherhehe. Skype on the zune
22:53:40*B4gder giggles
22:53:43DerPapsti would be astonished if they ever get the kernel to run
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22:54:59x1jmphmm... "hard drive access" on the 13th place of the top15 wishlist...
22:58:11ptw419i wonder if they've even made any progress...
23:00:21x1jmp it sounds promising
23:01:23LinusN"we need to learn to program so we can take a more pro-active approach"
23:02:01DerPapstc# on embedded devices -.-
23:02:59ptw419why would you need to know c# to program embedded?
23:03:04*petur wonders if he really needs to roll on the floor in front of the webcam to write ROFL
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23:04:06LloreanThat starts to take it to the point where you wonder if even *they* are taking themselves seriously, or if it's an intentional hoax. I mean that pushes it a bit.
23:05:40bluebrotherpixelma, fixed.
23:07:27pixelmaah...nice - the other fixes will follow in a minute
23:08:33bluebrotherjust noticed a typo that prevents the gigabeat manual from building
23:08:43bluebrotheralready fixed that? Otherwise I'll commit ...
23:08:52pixelmayes fixed
23:09:02pixelmathere were a few more
23:09:12bluebrothergood, then I don't need to bother
23:09:55ptw419hmm almost got this script
23:10:09bluebrotherZagor, you're aware that the tracker is still not working? Get a 403 forbidden :(
23:10:35Zagoryeah, I've disabled access while configuring it
23:10:45bluebrotherah, ok.
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23:11:38markunI'm redoing the plugin buttons for the Gigabeat. Anyone who wants to look at the patch before I commit when it's done?
23:12:03LloreanRedoing how?
23:12:09LloreanChanging which buttons do what?
23:14:14peturLinusN stop it, it starts to hurt
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23:17:58bluebrother"JTAG machine"?
23:18:08bluebrotherthose guys are kinda funny
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23:22:48LinusNthey are hilarious
23:23:19LinusNwhenever you feel down, go to their site and then you suddenly feel very competent again
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23:29:05element_gCassandra here?
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23:31:13CassandraHello, yes?
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23:32:30element_gI noticed your changes to the WPS gallery and had some questions so I emailed you
23:32:59element_gThen I remember you're at Devcon, and probably busy, so I thought it'd be quicker if I went here
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23:33:20CassandraWhat would you like to know>
23:34:18*petur updated his devcon pictures page
23:34:24LinusNwe are all busy doing the norwegian hammer dance
23:34:30element_gI understand that the WPS's removed may have some copyright issues like you said. The WPS gallery page states that themes would be removed at the owner's request. I just wanted some info.
23:34:48element_gLinusN: ;)
23:35:04CassandraBasically we felt we needed to be a bit more proactive about removing WPSes which infringe.
23:35:10Zagorthe new flyspray is really ... new
23:35:25CassandraSo that we're not complicit in copyright infringement.
23:35:53element_gCassandra: I see, what do you mean by complicit?
23:36:25element_gZagor: so new that it's Forbidden?
23:36:32peturhmmm machine code on the new flyspray pages
23:36:42Zagor:-) I'll open it up
23:36:59element_gCassandra: could we have a non-free WPS gallery?
23:37:01Zagorthere you go
23:37:55Zagorlots of cosmetics left to do. please don't comment about that.
23:38:09Cassandraelement_g, it's not a "free" vs non-free issue. It's a legal thing. Sorry.
23:38:12Zagorif the page looks completely weird though, you need to reload to get the new css file.
23:38:16LloreanZagor: I'm getting a blank white page.
23:38:35LinusNLlorean: better than nothing :-)
23:38:42ZagorLlorean: yeah for some reason the raw index doesn't work either... use
23:38:50CassandraOther sites may well host such themes, but the offiicial project has to be seen to operate within the bounds of the law.
23:39:24CassandraBelieve it or not, going through the wiki looking for copyrighted images is not exactly my idea of fun.
23:39:32LloreanZagor: Ah, good, I thought it was a nice white on white visual theme, what with the talk of cosmetics needing work. ;)
23:39:43element_gCassandra: Thanks, glad to have this cleared up
23:39:57Cassandracomplicit means that by not preventing it, we
23:39:58element_gWhat about
23:40:06Cassandrare implying we approve.
23:40:13CassandraAtleast in some people's eyes.
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23:40:28Cassandraelement_g, we don't run
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23:40:45element_gso that's up to RedBreva then?
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23:42:01element_gAs he's in the process of improving the site, I'm sure he'd like to know. If he doesn't remove them he should at least separate the compliant themes from
23:42:07element_gthe ones that have issues
23:42:31Cassandraelement_g, I probably would if I were him, but that's up to him.
23:42:47element_gYea, I'm just a stickler for consistancy
23:43:39element_gZagor: is this flyspray or my browser? Notice: Undefined index: 0 in /usr/share/flyspray/htdocs/includes/class.flyspray.php on line 344
23:44:05Zagorelement_g: sounds like flyspray. where do you get that?
23:44:58element_gon a patches tracker page, I'm getting the white page on the tracker homepage
23:45:24Zagoryeah it doesn't show anything if you don't pass any parameters
23:45:38Zagorelement_g: please paste the url that gives that error message
23:46:18element_gZagor: The white page comes from clicking the rockbox logo
23:46:39element_gCassandra: forgot to thank you for all the info
23:46:53bluebrotherhmm, that "tasklist" button doesn't work −− I get only a white page
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23:47:16LloreanThe new version of flyspray at least seems to work in things the old one didn't (for me) such as looking for tasks opened by a specific person
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23:49:42bluebrotherhmm, shouldn't the default order be newest first?
23:50:09LloreanSo far it's always been most critical/severe first, so far
23:50:45XavierGrthe new flyspray looks a bit weird
23:51:24bluebrotheranyone against rejecting FS #6837?
23:51:35bluebrotherI'd rather call it unused ;-)
23:51:50bluebrother(or maybe unfamiliar)
23:51:51XavierGrah but zagor said that lots of cosmetics left to do, so I will wait more
23:52:18ZagorXavierGr: if it's all jumbled you need to reload to get the new css file.
23:52:52Lloreanbluebrother: I'm not sure what to do about feature requests for plugins.
23:52:53bluebrotherthere seems to be an issue with stripslashes()
23:53:40bluebrotheror magic_quotes_gpc in php.ini
23:53:59XavierGrmuch better
23:54:17Cassandraelement_g, no problem
23:54:45DerPapstwheee.. the new flyspray looks neat
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23:55:25element_gbluebrother: fun? maybe useful? not at all about sums up my thoughts
23:56:17bluebrotheryeah. But the thing is: does anybody want to do it? Is it likely to happen? Is it useful?
23:56:49LloreanYeah, but if it's a plugin, do we really reject it because nobody around right now is interested in it?
23:57:24LloreanWith core features, we can reject it by saying "We don't want to clutter the core with this" but for plugins... it's still an idea if someone new comes along and wants to contribute but doesn't have ideas of his own
23:58:04element_gLlorean: I suppose not, I know that most coders are some of the busiest people on the planet, but if somehow a coder were bored and looking through feature request wouldn't it make sense to keep it?
23:58:28element_gI agree it should be a plugin though becuase it seems logical that the code would be big

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