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#rockbox log for 2007-05-22

00:00:00pearldiveri think i bricked my gigabeat
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00:00:27pearldiverSYSTEM ERROR 00000010, no matter what
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00:03:02XavierGrpearldiver: ouch
00:03:05XavierGrwhat did you do?
00:03:42linuxstbpearldiver: Can you access the disk via USB?
00:03:45pearldiverwell i tried the rotation build
00:04:09pearldiverwhat i'm getting when i plug the usb and turn it on is:
00:04:19pearldiverone bar in the original gigabeat progress bar
00:04:25pearldiversystem error message
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00:04:31pearldiveroriginal gigabeat usb logo
00:04:42pearldiverand my computer makes a sound that an usb device is connected but i dont see it in the explorer / as a drive no matter what
00:04:52pearldiverhowever, if i go to Safely Remove Hardware properties, the system sees it as Toshiba Mobile Audioplayer with the Toshiba Hard Drive as a component but no letter is being assigned to it
00:05:09pearldiverlinuxstb so as you see i cannot
00:05:38TrueJournalslinuxstb: Just the person I was looking for!
00:05:54*linuxstb is busy reading 3 days worth of IRC logs...
00:05:56XavierGrpearldiver: you have tried to open it and connect it to USB just like the wiki says?
00:06:05pearldiverXavierGr yep, same thing
00:06:11markunpearldiver: maybe there is no more partition?
00:06:25pearldivermarkun thats what i thought
00:06:31TrueJournalslinuxstb: You commented on FS # 6705 that you got even better results removing the synth_full function from IRAM... can you help me do this?
00:06:32pearldiverbut how come it disappeared
00:06:49DerPapstcan anyone tell me how to get the midi player built? i'm not that fammiliar with the build system. (adding something to SOURCES and SUBDIRS?)
00:06:56pearldiveryeah Safely Remove Hardware properties shows that there's no partition
00:07:08pearldivermarkun would this be the end?
00:07:15markunjust make a new FAT32 parition
00:07:37markunor you can just give up of course ;)
00:07:54pearldiverbut how if i can't access it
00:08:25markunpearldiver: how do you create a partition for a HDD which 'shows now drive letter'?
00:08:51markunis there no disk manager tool for windows or something?
00:08:56DerPapstit might be a good idea to add compiling instructions for the midi plugin on the PluginMidiPlay wiki page as well..
00:08:58pearldiverwith the partition soft obviosuly
00:09:15markunpearldiver: but that doesn't work with removable drives?
00:09:26linuxstbTrueJournals: Just change ".icode" to ".text" in the new .S files
00:09:31pearldivermarkun somehow i thought it doesn't :P
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00:09:37pearldiverbut let me try of course
00:09:38TrueJournalslinuxstb: Cool, thanks
00:10:29markunpearldiver: and if windows can't do it there are other OS' which can do it for you
00:10:39DerPapstmarkun: there is something in windows.
00:11:04DerPapstmarkun: Contol pannel... (have to translate...)
00:11:11XavierGrpearldiver: you can format it if windows see the disk but there is no letter to open it
00:11:25XavierGrgo to computer management
00:11:36DerPapstthat was it :)
00:11:53XavierGradministrative tools first
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00:13:27XavierGrthen from computer management you click on the disk management
00:13:37XavierGrif you can find the disk there you can format it
00:13:47pearldiverlet me try it XavierGr
00:13:59XavierGrafter the format you will see the letter in explorer and then be able to put there the OF or rockbox
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00:14:33pearldiverill lose all the date either way, correct?
00:16:01mpeccorinianyone: how much memory is assigned to a plugin buffer?
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00:17:13XavierGrpearldiver" yes you will loose all data
00:17:59pearldiverwhat if i use some partition software ?
00:18:07linuxstbmpeccorini: On the Archos devices, 32KB, on the other devices (apart from iFP7xx), 512KB. I'm not sure about the iFP7xx (it only has 1MB RAM in total...)
00:18:43linuxstbmpeccorini: But Chessbox is a special case on the Archos devices - it takes over the whole available RAM (about 1.5MB).
00:18:53DerPapstso i guess i have to add midi to SUBDIRS at lie 37 or so?
00:18:57mpeccorinilinuxstb: thanks, I'm implementing chessbox as a viewer as you suggested
00:19:07mpeccoriniso far it opens a PGN file and lists all the games
00:19:16mpeccorinithen you select a game and it shows the list of moves
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00:19:26mpeccorinibut I'm malloc'ing a lot of memory for that
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00:19:35XavierGrpearldiver: you may be able to quick format it and then with exact software try to save some of the data
00:19:54XavierGrthe process though won't be failsafe and you might end up with lots of lost data
00:20:05JdGordonlol @ peturs vid :)
00:20:07mpeccorini512 kb sounds like quite a lot though
00:20:10pearldiverXavierGr i see
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00:22:15DerPapstdo i have to add a makefile to midi?
00:22:23*DerPapst is slightly confused
00:22:50DerPapstbecause all the other plugins that are in a seperate dir have one
00:23:08mrmagic526Just want to say great work on the 80 gig ipod this weekend. I do have one question about the patch if anyone can answer it. I just reinstalled cygwin and got the latest svn. I applied the patch and it crashes with an error when building it....
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00:24:20DerPapstmrmagic526: ehat's the error?
00:24:37DerPapstbecause it worked fine for me.
00:25:00mrmagic526it says /home/Default/rockbox/build/apps/settings_list.o undefined reference to '__compound literal. and some numbers
00:25:20mrmagic526says it so many times it scrolls off the screen
00:25:29saratogadoes anyone know what "iconv" is ?
00:26:02mrmagic526collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
00:26:09mrmagic526build error 2
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00:26:32mrmagic526rockbox.elf error 1
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00:26:44mrmagic526if you have a good build could you email it to me?
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00:27:09DerPapststill building. but i guess i can :)
00:27:33linuxstbDerPapst: What are you trying to do? midiplay is already compiled.
00:27:52mrmagic526guess I'll have to check that one....
00:27:59mrmagic526just trying to see how it works on my 80 gig
00:28:15mrmagic526used to use rock box on my 60gig.... i miss rockbox so much lol
00:28:20DerPapstoh? haven't found it .rockbox\rocks
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00:28:39linuxstbDerPapst: RTFM.... "viewers" are in .rockbox/viewers/
00:29:12DerPapstoh. didn't know it belongs to viewers. soryy
00:29:44*DerPapst is new to rockbox
00:29:55linuxstbWe have a fine manual ;)
00:30:12DerPapsthaven't found it there
00:30:24mrmagic526it could be me.... I never used cygwin before. My main computer is down and I'm using a piece of crap win98 machine..... I usually use vmware.... I used to do some custom builds for my 60 gig
00:30:37DerPapsti've searched the pdf for "Midi" with 0 results
00:31:03linuxstbOK, midi itself may not be documented, but it should explain the concept of viewers.
00:31:43linuxstbBe warned the midi plugin doesn't work well on ipods - IIRC, it plays audio at 22.050KHz, but the Rockbox audio driver only supports 44.1KHz...
00:31:48DerPapstwell but how do i know if it belongs to viewers with only looking at the source?
00:32:06bluebrotherlook into apps/plugins/viewers.config
00:32:11DerPapsti'll keep that in mind
00:32:14bluebrotherif it's listed there it's a viewer
00:32:25DerPapstah ok.
00:32:36bluebrotheror at least, you can invoke it as viewer
00:32:54bluebrothersome plugins can be both viewer and regular plugin. Sudoku for example is one
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00:33:10mpeccorinibluebrother: and very soon chessbox too ;)
00:33:52bluebrotherwhatever ... I'm to weak at chess for playing against the gnuchess engine ;)
00:34:07DerPapstheh.. i guess i have to find out the difference between viewer and plugin fist by reading some docs.
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00:34:40bluebrotherif you invoke a plugin as viewer then it gets the filename passed
00:34:50mpeccoriniDerPapst: they're basically the same, but plugins use the filename they receive to do something
00:35:05bluebrotherbut viewers that rely on a file (like jpegviewer) can't be run otherwise
00:35:19DerPapstah ok
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00:36:52DerPapstmrmagic526: do you need the bootloader as well? or do you have some kind of 3rd party bootloader?
00:38:53mrmagic526nah i got ipod linux
00:39:09mrmagic526loader 2.5b6
00:39:11enycmrmagic526: iirc ipodlinux works an older units... rockbox works on newer units
00:39:21DerPapstlinuxstb: one question about ipodpatcher (once again): where does it get the generation from? some mbr magic?
00:39:26mrmagic526i got the 80 gig ipod
00:39:50enycmrmagic526: wel go look at the webpage then... you should find out what "generation" ipod you have exactly
00:39:54mrmagic526i've been hacking ipods for a while. Just got super excited to see rockbox for my 80 gig.... problem is this piece of crap computer isn't compiling it
00:39:57linuxstbDerPapst: From the firmware version number (in the firmware partition).
00:40:01mrmagic526I know what I have
00:40:05mrmagic526it's a 5.5 80 gig
00:40:08DerPapstmrmagic526: ok. but you have to make a loader.cfg for rockbox. autodetectioni is broken in this version.
00:40:09mrmagic526I have linux on it already
00:40:11TrueJournalsmrmagic526: rockbox doesn't work on the 80 gig...
00:40:21DerPapstlinuxstb: thanks.
00:40:26mrmagic526I got a loader config since I have a wikipedia linux on my ipod as well
00:40:29scorcheTrueJournals: actually, it does
00:40:29bagawkTrueJournals: amiconn put up a patch lst night
00:40:30enycmrmagic526: I dont expect you need to compile rockbox? you can just use prebuilt rockbox?
00:40:37DerPapstTrueJournals: wrong ;)
00:40:40mrmagic526enyc not for the 80 gig
00:40:42TrueJournalsAh, OK, my bad...
00:40:44mrmagic526it's not in the svn yet
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00:40:51mrmagic526patch released today
00:40:52bagawkmrmagic526: I can send you a build that works on the 80gb
00:40:58TrueJournalsHadn't heard about that... thanks for letting me know
00:41:07linuxstbDerPapst: There isn't a firmware version (afaik) in the 3g or earlier firmware, so ipodpatcher just assumes a 3g (as that's all Rockbox works on). If you're using it for other reasons, you'll need to solve that issue...
00:41:09mrmagic526cool. I'm on the web irc so email it to
00:42:14DerPapstlinuxstb: i thought about a force function.. if it doesn't find the magic in the mbr
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00:42:27mrmagic526cool thanks
00:42:33bagawkmrmagic526: I assume you have loader2 since you have ipodlinux, in that case just mv rockbox.ipod that is in .rockbox to the root of the ipod
00:42:45linuxstbDerPapst: No, just get rid of the MBR check altogether...
00:42:48mrmagic526I'm pretty good at compiling but my good pc is down and I'm using an old piece of crap that I had to put cygwin on instead of vmware
00:42:56mrmagic526cannot wait to try it
00:43:55mrmagic526yup yup
00:44:15linuxstbDerPapst: I'm not sure if ipodpatcher does, but it should check that the first partition is type 0 (Empty) and the second partition is FAT32 (or HFS for macpods). That should be enough to identify ipods (along with checking the contents of that empty partition for a valid firmware image)
00:44:39DerPapstlinuxstb: done that already. i just wonderd if i have to give ipodpatcher the generation.
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00:45:54DerPapstlinuxstb: i've disabled another check so it prints the partition table of any usb/fiwi device and errors then if's not an ipod.
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00:48:38DerPapstlinuxstb: the force option disables the check in ipodpatcher.c line 169
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00:50:16linuxstbDerPapst: Are you sure it's line 169 in SVN?
00:50:32DerPapstum... no :P
00:50:35DerPapstwait a sec
00:50:49linuxstbI assume you mean the one that checks for "iPod" or the longer string?
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00:51:37DerPapstline 175 :)
00:52:10mrmagic526Holy Fraking hell.... Rockbox on my 80 gig..... YIPEEE........ thanks......... EVERYONE
00:52:21DerPapstyour welcome :P
00:52:58My_Sichie everyone
00:53:20My_Sicplaylist random
00:53:21bagawkmrmagic526: I was pretty excited also last night took freaking forever to build the databse though :P
00:53:47mrmagic526time to get my themes and doom setup and pacman...... I'm so excited I haven't had rockbox since I was an idiot and sold my 60 gig to get my 80 gig the first day thinking rockbox would work ..... dumb stupid me......
00:54:10mrmagic526I'll let it do the database once I get the interface and games setup
00:54:20My_Sicthe random playlist under rockbox, really doesn't work
00:55:28My_Sici have played during many hours 2 albums in the same playlist, with random, and i have never heard some tracks
00:55:40mrmagic526it's been so long I dont even know what half of these plugins are anymore
00:56:24linihey guys, quick wps question - before the ps tag used to be a conditional. now it seems to only display an S when shuffle is on
00:56:43linihow do i create a condition so it displays shuffle instead of just s
00:57:06linie.g. %?ps< %| shuffle>
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01:00:47PaulJamlini: you could try %?ps< %| shuffle|>
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01:04:41My_Sicplease how to display the autoscore in a wps ?
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01:10:52Nico_Plini: what you want is probably %?ps<|shuffle>
01:11:30Nico_PMy_Sic: %ra
01:11:54DerPapstzomg... the database inclused al the soundfiles from the ipodgames.. haha
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01:13:11PaulJamNico_P: isn't it %?ps<on|off> (instead of %?ps<off|on> )?
01:13:12DerPapstand i wondered why i have so many untagged songs :)
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01:13:31linuxstbTrueJournals: I just saw your flyspray posts - I removed more IRAM than just synth_full.
01:13:37linuxstb^more from IRAM
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01:14:01Nico_PPaulJam: yes, you're right. it's a true|false conditional
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01:15:51My_SicDerPapst: not to have the soudfiles from ipodgames in the databases, you can use the songdb perl script (or waiting for FS #5960)
01:15:57TrueJournalslinuxstb: What else did you remove?
01:18:37DerPapstMy_Sic: i don't care to much about it so i guess i'll wait :) but thanks.
01:19:14My_Sicyour welcome
01:19:23linuxstbTrueJournals: I removed synth_full from IRAM (which your patch doesn't do), plus the two .S files (which your patch does do). The patch for synth_full is here -
01:19:46linuxstbTrueJournals: I would be interested to see the tests with synth_full also removed from IRAM - I didn't benchmark them individually.
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01:19:56DerPapstlinuxstb: if i remeber right you wanted 3 days ago someone with a 3G iPod?
01:20:06My_Sicbut the songdb perl script is usefull, because it use less time to make the database
01:20:28My_Sicon my 60go it can be very long with rockbox
01:20:32TrueJournalslinuxstb: My patch didn't include the two .S files... for some strange reason... I'll test what I currently have with what you just gave me later and post the results on FS
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01:21:33linuxstbDerPapst: I did? I can't remember why...
01:21:59linuxstbDerPapst: Ah yes, it's coming back to me now - testing MP3 decoding...
01:22:07DerPapstabout some optimisation of mpegplayer or something (with moving something out of iram)
01:22:12DerPapstor that
01:22:49linuxstbBasically this patch -
01:23:26My_SicNico_P: : is it normal that the %ra tag give only the firt number of the autoscore ?
01:23:45Nico_PMy_Sic: probably not :)
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01:30:18XavierGrpearldiver: I am now but not for long
01:31:04pearldiverim getting a different error but im trying the gigabeat format utility now
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01:31:56XavierGryou are getting an error where exactly?
01:32:15pearldiverat the boot up
01:32:35Nico_Pwhat's the plural of 'parenthesis' ?
01:32:50pearldiveri see the drive alright now but just copying the needed files didnt help
01:33:09Nico_Pand what are '<' and '>' called besides less than and greater than ?
01:33:35XavierGrNico: I don't think that there is a plural of parenthesis
01:33:39XavierGrbut I might be wrong
01:34:31XavierGrpearldiver: I am not exactly a Gigabeat guru, but if you can access your DAP through a PC then I guess that your player is safe for the time being
01:34:39XavierGrdoes it boot at OF or rockbox at all?
01:34:43DerPapstlinuxstb: so i have to apply mpa.patch at first and than the other patch?
01:35:01pearldiverXavierGr i tried only rockbox and it didn't work
01:35:07pearldiverim going to try the OF now
01:35:43Nico_Ppearldiver: the rockbox bootloader has an emergency mode IIRC
01:36:00pearldiverNico_P i had to reformat the player
01:36:04pearldiverits blank now
01:36:27pearldiverso im not really sure what steps to try 1st
01:36:37pearldiverjust copying the needed rockbox files didnt work
01:36:50Nico_Pyou probably need a bootloader
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01:37:27pearldiverincluding bootloader
01:37:52pearldiveri think i need to restore the OF 1st
01:38:05XavierGrjust place the default OF files in the right folders
01:38:08Nico_Pyes, just the rockbox bootloader isn't enough
01:38:13XavierGrthen turn battery off and then on
01:38:21XavierGrand boot up
01:38:30XavierGrif it workd proceed with the rockbox boot loader
01:38:31linuxstbDerPapst: Apply the first (mpa.patch) patch on that page. Then edit dct32_arm.S and synth_full_arm.S to replace ".icode" with ".text" at the top, then apply the patch I posted to pastebin....
01:38:35pearldiverNico_P all the needed files were there alright
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01:39:25pearldiverpity it doesn't work with restoring the OF 1st
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01:40:05linuxstbDerPapst: But to perform the actual benchmarking, you'll need to compile the test_codec plugin (another viewer...). Add test_codec.c to apps/plugins/SOURCES, and also add the line "wav,viewers/test_codec,-" to apps/plugins/viewers.config
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01:43:19mrmagic526stupid question time... I just put rockbox on my 80 gig...... a long time ago the doom plugin had sound.... I got doom running but it doesn't have sound...... is the sound gone?
01:43:38XavierGrpearldiver: so did it work?
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01:43:49pearldiverXavierGr will try in a few
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01:43:57pearldiverits formatting now
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01:44:17XavierGrwell there is no need to make a full format, just a quick one
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01:47:03pearldiverit didnt work
01:47:42DerPapstlinuxstb: ok. i'll do the compiling and testing tomorrow. 1:50 am already ;)
01:47:45XavierGrwhat does it say?
01:47:58pearldiverSYSTEM ERROR 00000020
01:48:13linuxstbDerPapst: Thanks - it would be useful to test an mp3 with current SVN using test_codec, then apply the changes to the mp3 decoder and test again.
01:48:13XavierGrI dont know how I can help you any further
01:48:22XavierGrpearldiver: you will have to ask markun for that
01:48:31DerPapstlinuxstb: ok. i'll do so
01:48:52XavierGrpearldiver: does the drive works correctly under windows?
01:48:57linuxstbDerPapst: In fact, apply just mpa.patch (not the extra changes) first, then the extra changes - so we can see how much difference IRAM use makes on the 3g.
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01:49:05pearldiverXavierGr yes
01:49:15XavierGrpearldiver: if yes then I can't think why it doesn't work, wait for markun tomorrow and ask him
01:49:20XavierGrnow I must sleep bye all
01:49:51DerPapstlinuxstb: ok
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02:03:09pearldiverkkurbjun im having trouble getting rockbox to run on a formatted gigabeat
02:03:30kkurbjunwhat problem are you running into?
02:03:43pearldiverit displays SYSTEM ERROR 00000020
02:04:00pearldiveri tried formatting it with gigabeat utility
02:04:08pearldiverand just copying the files over, OF and rockbox
02:04:11pearldiversame error
02:04:19kkurbjunI was running into that problem as well
02:04:27kkurbjunI ended up doing a low level format of the drive
02:04:37kkurbjunso it writes zero's to everything
02:04:44kkurbjunyou won't hav a partition anymore
02:04:45DerPapstgood night at all
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02:05:05pearldiverso just low level format it and copy the files over again?
02:05:06kkurbjunthen I used windows xp's administrative tools, computer management to creat a new partition
02:05:21kkurbjunthen I formatted with the gigabeat formatter
02:05:28kkurbjunand then copied the files over
02:05:36pearldiverjust the rockbox?
02:05:46pearldiverno need to bother with OF?
02:06:20kkurbjun I think that was the tool I used
02:06:44kkurbjunit wiped at least the begining of the drive then I got seek errors so I killed the program and went from there
02:06:51kkurbjunno, I dind't touch the of
02:07:07kkurbjunI just copied over a system folder from one of my other gigabeats
02:07:17kkurbjunI think the system folder has to have special permisions though
02:07:24kkurbjunGBSYSTEM that is
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02:08:45kkurbjunIf you need a system folder I can send you the one I have that works
02:09:03kkurbjunI don't know how I can make an archive that keeps the permissions though
02:09:03pearldiveri have my old one backed up i think
02:09:10kkurbjunok, that's good then
02:09:52pearldiverbut what kind of special permissions?
02:11:48kkurbjunit has to be labeled a system folder I believe, but I don't know how windows labels folders that way or stores that info in the fat, or wherever it puts it
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02:14:38kkurbjunlet me know if the low level format/partition/gigabeat format does/doesn't work
02:15:08kkurbjunadn if you nee any clarity on the steps that I did let me know as well
02:15:15kkurbjundo you have windows xp?
02:15:42pearldiveryeah im doing the low level format now
02:15:49pearldiverwin xp, correct
02:16:29pearldiveri noticed that theres a GBSYSTEM folder inside the toshiba program folder
02:16:41pearldivermaybe i should try with that 1st
02:16:43kkurbjunthat's a backup of what's on your system
02:16:46kkurbjunI mean player
02:17:14kkurbjunI would use the one you have backed up
02:17:40pearldiverso its no problem to boot it the 1st time around with the rockbox bootloader?
02:18:42pearldiverbtw, i lost my partition due to the custom build with rotation patch
02:18:47kkurbjunnope, that's what I did
02:18:55pearldiverso i had to reformat
02:19:06kkurbjunI've never tried that patch/build
02:19:19kkurbjunI wonder how it erased your partition
02:19:25pearldiveryeah i wonder too
02:21:02kkurbjunI'm going to run and buy some solder, I'll be back in a bit
02:21:32pearldiverok, thanks
02:21:39pearldiverlet me know when you're back
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02:36:34pearldiverkkurbjun worked wonders
02:36:39pearldiverthanks again
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02:44:31kkurbjunpearldiver, glad to hear
02:44:53kkurbjundid the lowlever format start giving you seek errors too?
02:45:20pearldiverall went smooth
02:46:00pearldiverhmm, just noticed that BlackGlass theme for the gigabeat disappeared from the gallery
02:46:11kkurbjungreat, It might be a useful wiki article on how to upgrade/recover drives that lost their partitions
02:46:31pearldiverkkurbjun indeed
02:46:39pearldiveri was stuck without your advice
02:51:32pearldiveri even performed the surgery
02:51:46pearldiverwell, at least i cleaned screen heh
02:52:16kkurbjun: )
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02:59:50mschneiderI'm trying to configure a build to patch album art for the sansa
03:00:06mschneiderwhen selecting build type do you just select normal?
03:00:21mschneiderbecause whenever i try to patch i keep getting HUNK 1-4 failed
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03:27:36Soap_if the patching is failing - you need to address that _before_ you attempt a build, and yes, Normal is the type of build you would do.
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03:29:12drequehey could anyone instruct me as to which bootloader I should use for the 80g ipod?
03:29:29drequeI have the build bagawkput together but I don't know which bootloader to use for it
03:29:34bonbonthejondreque: 80gig isn't supported, I think
03:29:47Stygian_It is.
03:29:48Stygian_New patch.
03:30:02Stygian_I'd also like to know the answer to the question, though :)
03:32:30TrueJournalsdreque: I believe you would also need an 80 gig bootloader compiled using the patch...
03:35:31drequehmm ok, I guess unless anybody has a precompiled version, I'll try to do it myself, thanks
03:38:07TrueJournalsdreque: I can try to make you a bootloader if you want
03:39:07drequeThat'd be great, I've been trying to figure it out, but I'll admit I'm lost, it'd be so nice to have rockbox on a player of mine again
03:41:11TrueJournalsOK.. it's making..
03:43:09drequegreat thanks again
03:43:11TrueJournalsThat SHOULD work... I can't test it though
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03:45:13drequegreat thanks
03:45:22TrueJournalsit works?
03:45:59drequeno actually my internet cut out I didn't get the message where you sent It I think
03:46:20TrueJournalsIt should work... I can't test it though
03:49:01drequethanks again I'm going to try and get it running now
03:49:06Stygian_as will I.
03:49:09TrueJournalsgood luck
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04:37:48drequeok so I got the patched bootloader for the 80g ipod, but can someone instruct me as to how I flash this to my iPod?
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04:39:08Stygianipodpatcher, with -a <bootloader-file.ipod>
04:39:42LloreanJust as a note, you're not flashing
04:39:48LloreanIt's just stored in a hidden partition on the disk
04:40:33drequeah, I'm still caught up in my iHP-120 days thanks
04:41:21LloreanYeah, many devices don't require flashing. The bootloader just needs to be in the right place for their bootloader to spot it.
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04:43:49drequeoh ok that makes sense, and I've been trying the ipodpatcher, however everytime I enter in the command it exits out
04:44:25drequejust to clarify my bootloader.ipod should be in the same folder as ipodpatcher.exe correct?
04:46:29LloreanWhat, exactly, are you typing?
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04:46:31dreque"ipodpatcher -a bootloader.ipod"
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04:46:59drequeand afterwards it just hangs on the apple logo
04:47:31LloreanHold right while you boot
04:47:37LloreanYou probably didn't do the rest of the install, did you?
04:48:10StygianThe firmware needs to be patched too, I believe?
04:49:16drequeoh I thought the bootloader would go the apple firmware if it couldn't detect the rockbox firmware
04:49:25drequeand yes I have a patched version of the firmware
04:49:56Lloreandreque: It's supposed to, but doesn't right now
04:50:18Stygianokies. Anyhoo, I've got the source code, and "patch -p0 ipod55g-4.diff" from the rockbox-bleeding directory.
04:50:40StygianI'm now going to go into the 'firmware' and 'bootloader' directories and use the 'build' command. Is that correct?
04:51:47LloreanYou need to patch the source, then just follow the usual compiling instructions for Rockbox
04:52:18Stygianrighto. I'll need the CrossCompiler, then?
04:57:41pearldiverdoes anyone have any idea what happened to the blackglass theme for the gigabeat
04:57:54pearldiverit sort of vanished
05:00:04Soapwiki or rockbox-themes?
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05:06:42SoapI didn't know blackglass was ever on the wiki
05:06:49SoapI don't see it in the page history.
05:06:49pearldiverit was
05:06:56pearldiverat least somewhere
05:07:04pearldivermy bet is rockbox-themes
05:07:19Stygianalright. There's the latest source code. Now to muck around with CrossCompiler
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05:08:45makeshifthow is support for 4G iPods coming along? think it will be stable soon?
05:09:39Lloreanmakeshift: I don't think anyone knows exactly what causes the crash yet
05:09:54LloreanStygian: Try the SimpleGuideToCompiling page in our wiki
05:10:07Stygianwill do; thanks
05:10:21drequewell I got it to load the bootloader, but now it just hangs there
05:10:49Lloreandreque: Have you also installed Rockbox, or just the bootloader?
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05:11:16drequeI've installed both
05:15:35LloreanWhat happens when you hold "Right" immediately after the Apple Logo displays?
05:16:26drequeIt goes into "Rockbox boot loader, Version: 1.0, IPOD version: 0xFFFFFFFF, TOSHIBA MK8010GAH" and then hangs there
05:16:45LloreanThat's the last line it displays?
05:17:09LloreanI don't think you've installed a properly patched bootloader then.
05:17:26drequehmm yeah that's what It seems to be
05:18:11drequeI received the bootloader from TrueJournals, I guess it wasn't patched properly
05:18:20pearldiverSoap no luck finding it?
05:19:20Lloreandreque: Or you didn't install it properly. Ipodpatcher may have installed the inbuilt bootloader instead
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05:21:32drequewell in that case I think I'll try to install this once more
05:22:02drequeis my command correct "ipodpatcher -a filename.ipod"
05:22:21LloreanIt should be.
05:24:06drequenope I got the same thing
05:24:56bagawkdreque: give a second, I can try the rockbox loader on my ipod (I have been using loader2)
05:25:31drequeok thanks
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05:32:38pearldiveroh well, it was a nice theme
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05:35:10bagawkdreque: almost there, I was restoring the original boot partition to git rid of loader2
05:36:11drequeok thanks for your help, I feel like I can't sleep until I figure at least part of this out :)
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05:38:02krustycloim at i want to get rockbox for my ipod mini. what link do i click on for it under the ipod mini table ?
05:38:25Lloreankrustyclo: Read the text at the top of the page...
05:38:54bagawkdreque: that works fine for me, probably just your bootloader
05:39:01krustyclodo i download from the archived daily builds link
05:39:10bagawkdreque: one sec, ill scp mine somewhere
05:39:38drequegreat thanks again
05:40:00krustycloLlorean, can you explain to me what i need to do ?
05:40:23Lloreankrustyclo: You read the manual, and use the links in it.
05:40:38krustycloim confused
05:40:41LloreanBagder: Why does the build table show the lds on the commit that claims it fixes the lds?
05:40:52Lloreankrustyclo: What, exactly, does the manual tell you to download?
05:40:59krustycloi clicked on the link at the top that says "Archived daily builds" then ipod mini 1st gen
05:41:04krustycloit doesnt say
05:41:11krustycloi dont know...
05:41:27LloreanYou are reading the Rockbox manual, right?
05:41:38krustycloi read it earlier
05:41:44krustycloit doesnt tell you exactly which one to download
05:42:05LloreanIt tells you the difference between a "Current Build" and a "Daily Build"
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05:43:02krustycloi clicked on the archived daily builds link at the top of then clicked on "ipod mini 1st gen" is that the most current build available for ipod mini ?
05:43:22LloreanNo, the most current build is the one you download on the current build page
05:43:33LloreanWhat's so confusing about "Below the table are builds of Rockbox"
05:43:39LloreanScroll down
05:43:41krustyclothere isnt one for ipod mini
05:43:52krustyclohave you actually looked at that page
05:44:02krustyclotheres a graphic image for most other ipods but not the mini
05:44:10LloreanIt also says if one isn't currently showing, you either have to wait, or download an old build
05:44:29LloreanIt's pretty clear what your options are.
05:44:30krustyclothats what i did
05:44:37krustycloi clicked in the link at the top!!!
05:44:56LloreanThen why did you ask? It makes it 100% clear that the Daily Build is older than the Current Build, but a current build is not available at the moment due to errors in the build system.
05:45:57LloreanWhat exactly is it that you're confused about?
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05:48:09drequewell it's still hanging on the bootloader
05:48:28drequeI feel as if I'm using ipodpatcher incorrectly
05:48:43krustyclocan i install the boot loader from a mac ?
05:51:22a1titudewell Mac OS X
05:51:58a1titudeits in the manual - at
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06:10:12krustyclook so i set up rockbox now can i add the music to any folder
06:13:20bagawkkrustyclo: you can
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06:14:44krustycloso far so good..
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06:14:53krustyclomusic sounds good....
06:15:09godzirraheya guys. If I use senab's build (god am I so happy to have gotten rid of my zune and gotten a rockbox enabled device again) what do I need to name the jpgs?
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06:16:41krustyclowhen i tried ipodlinux, it didnt work very well
06:16:50krustyclowhats the name of the gameboy emulator ?
06:21:38krustyclonm found it
06:22:15krustycloanyone rockbox developers here
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06:30:20godzirraAnyone have any ideas?
06:30:58aliaskNaming jpegs?
06:31:53aliaskThey can be named anything (anything valid for a fat32 drive), and have the extension jpg or jpeg
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06:40:44krustyclorockbox runs so well
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06:42:39krustyclois anyone here
06:43:13krustyclowhy cant rockbox access the music i added in itunes ?
06:43:21krustycloif you just drag and drop files
06:43:36krazykitbecause itunes randomly renames files and puts them in arbitrary directories
06:43:39krustyclowhy cant it scan the files in the music_control folder and read the id3 tags and add it
06:43:42aliaskIt can, use the database feature
06:44:01krazykitunless the songs are crippled, then they won't play
06:44:14krustycloyou mean use drm ?
06:44:34krustyclonope i refuse to buy drm crippled music
06:48:05krustycloif i enable the database do i have to load it every time i boot my ipod
06:48:12krustycloor only after i add music in itunes ?
06:48:35aliaskIt needs to generate the database once, and then it just monitors any changes from then onwards.
06:49:26krustycloso far i am really impressed....
06:49:46krustyclocan i i erased songs that are in my itunes database from within rockbox ?
06:49:59krustycloor do i have to use apples firmware nd itunes to do that
06:52:16krazykititunes, probably, as rockbox only removes the file, not the .db entry
06:52:57krustycloahh i see
06:53:34krustycloafter i use rockbox and am sure that its still stable i think ill just remove all the itunes db files and add it in rockbox format
06:54:29aliaskThat's a better idea, when you play the files in rockbox, the playlist entry is the filename, not the tags so you get an entry like "EQKA.mp3"
06:55:30krustycloi have seen an entry in that format in the database menu in rockbox
06:56:10aliaskIf you play the song in rockbox, and then go to "view playlist" in the WPS context menu, you will see what I mean.
06:57:13aliaskIt just makes browsing by playlist a little cumbersome
06:57:35krustycloim gonna just go for it and remove everhything from itunes and add it in rockbox
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07:11:49krustycloaliask, ok i removed the music. is it safe to delete /iPod_Control ?
07:12:41aliaskIf you really want. It's a hidden folder though, so rockbox won't see it by default.
07:13:25krustycloi can also add the music in as many sublevels as i want right ?
07:13:35krustycloerr sub folders
07:13:49krustyclobecause i was thinking of putting all my music in /Music
07:16:17krustyclothis is so much better than using itunes
07:16:35aliaskI agree :)
07:17:35krustycloi have over 11K songs and tried using itunes to manage all of my music but its difficult to have 2 databases across 2 computers. especially when one is a mac and the other is a pc
07:18:25aliaskWell the file method will be a lot nicer then.
07:19:10krustycloi originally wanted to use rockbox for its ogg support but just noticed that ogg and non-ipod standard codecs dont work anyways with rockbox on an ipod
07:19:42aliaskWhat do you mean? Ogg should work fine on iPod
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07:20:04krustyclowell maybe the RB page isnt up to date
07:20:31krustyclooh wait nm i misread it
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07:27:25krustyclowow this is so much easier with drag and dropping.....
07:29:48*amiconn pings Bagder
07:31:28*amiconn also pings linuxstb and Slasheri
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08:06:36intgrDoes Panasonic's AM2 architecture ring a bell to anyone?
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08:55:48amiconnhi B4gder
08:56:04amiconnSeems the newly added build server has serious problems :(
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08:57:13B4gderdisabled now
08:57:21B4gderchrisjs169: here?
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08:58:34*amiconn wonders whether LinusN will show up today
08:58:42*amiconn has some ata related questions
08:59:02B4gderI believe he plans to
08:59:26*GodEater cranks the handle on the forums to bring them up to speed
09:00:05amiconnGodEater: Did you already try the patch on your 80GB?
09:00:34GodEatercertainly did :)
09:00:50GodEaterthank you very much for your hard work
09:01:24*amiconn needs to add a sanity check for the physical sector size, and wonders which way of sinalling would be better: Just fail in ata_init() with a negative rc, or better panicf() and tell what's wrong
09:02:14*GodEater thinks the latter
09:02:22B4gderme too, since it can't continue anyway from there then
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09:03:28GodEaterbtw Bagder, I was only half serious about Bermuda, it has several other drawbacks : a) No-one we know lives there, so organising a venue would be tricky. b) It has lots of beaches which provide a distraction ;)
09:04:00GodEaterI can't see anyone being happy about getting sand / seawater in their laptops
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09:05:21GodEaterI wonder if South Africa might be a good destination - it's about 10 hours from Europe - and I suspect not *too* bad from Australia. Only thing I'm not sure on is the flight time from the US.
09:05:31GodEateralthough again cost is probably prohibitive
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09:07:52amiconnIf travel costs would be nearly proportional to distance, calculating the best location would just involve to minimize the total travelling distance for all attendees
09:08:14amiconnBut I guess the assumption doesn't hold...
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09:09:18GodEatersadly not no
09:09:31GodEatertravel costs are lowest when you're going to a "hub" location
09:09:59StygianHmmm. Using Cygwin to patch this firmware. I've done everything according to the wiki guild to compiling, and it's doing nothing. "patch −−binary -p0 ipod55g-4.diff"
09:10:00GodEaterit costs me nearly the same to fly to Lisbon as it does to New York from London
09:10:03Stygianand it's hanging.
09:10:11amiconnNot necessarily, but big cities are usually good
09:10:17bluebrotherStygian: patch < patchfile
09:10:17Stygianneed to ctrl+c to be able to do anything.
09:10:24Stygianah, of couse.
09:10:43amiconnThe cheaper airlines do not always fly to the big 'hub' airports
09:10:44bluebrotherotherwise it will wait for the diff on stdin (until EOF)
09:10:47GodEaterStygian: first, why −−binary? second, you need to use "<"
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09:10:56GodEateramiconn - very true
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09:11:23StygianPerfect. Thank you :)
09:11:40Stygianwrong window.
09:12:06scorchethe issue is also having devcon in a city where no one has "connections" such as the contactor building...meeting space can be very expensive, and doing something like i am doing with devcon-west (having it in a large suite in a hotel) is much cheaper than renting meeting space
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09:13:52GodEaterscorche: Heh - the impression I get from too much US TV is that you all live in palacial (compared to European) houses with enough room for 20 guests easily :)
09:14:10austriancodergood morning, please review my patch the last time, as i want to commit it the next 48 hours :)
09:14:11scorchewe arent all rich...
09:14:40amiconnAnother way to reduce travel costs is just setting the date early enough. Flights are cheaper when booked early
09:14:55GodEaterscorche: I don't think it's about being "rich" it's about property prices being WAY lower :) But I do realise it's an idea mostly based on fictional TV
09:15:07scorcheGodEater: depends where you live
09:15:49GodEaterscorche: I'm guessing you could get quite a big place if you live in the middle of, say, Alaska ;)
09:16:42scorchesomething like that out in the middle of nowhere, but in, say, the coast of southern california, property is quite expensive
09:17:12*GodEater wishes he'd taken his chance to go and live and work in Manhattan (all expenses paid!)
09:17:21*scorche would have
09:17:32*GodEater <−−- dumb ass
09:17:47GodEaterwon't turn it down again if I get offered
09:19:02Stygianwoohoo. everything compiled. now to test it.
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09:28:24Stygianwoot. it worked.
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09:34:22StygianIs there still a way to boot into the default apple OS instead of Rockbox, as it's booting up?
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09:34:38B4gderStygian: not with the rockbox bootloader, no
09:35:45GodEaterStygian, not as *default* anyway. You can still boot Apple OS. Just flick the hold switch to "on" as soon as you power up the player.
09:36:13StygianAwesome, exactly what I wanted :) Thanks!
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09:40:05peturthe devcon bottles are now up for sale on e-bay, the shipping cost needs finetuning (I'll get it cheaper)
09:40:38jaczehacka bag of signed bottles
09:40:48peturthe 3 videos I made are being uploaded to
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09:45:40GodEaterpetur: nice :)
09:48:27LinusNit's amazing what a few bottles of beer can do
09:48:51B4gderespecially when we had the beers the day before ;-)
09:49:19LinusNright :-P
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09:51:18LinusNand of course i found my subpack when i got home...
09:51:18B4gderthe meeting vid is very interesting without sound...
09:51:18*B4gder forgot his earplugs at home today
09:52:53LinusNhehe, i called OS X "evil" :-)
09:53:35LinusNand the zune project gets its fair share... :-)
09:53:49LinusNoooo, bad "box" jokes
09:54:00B4gdernow we know why the images-only feed is a good idea ;-)
09:54:02peturif it's too bad I can take it down again ;)
09:55:47LinusNthat was really one of the more important discussions :-)
09:55:57B4gderwhat did it cover?
09:56:01petur"the windows dudes can still manage but the mac dudes are totally lost"
09:56:49peturbagofshit is covered too
09:57:08*scorche doesnt see a meeting vid
09:57:40GodEaterit needs subtitles
09:57:42krustycloLinusN, os x is far from evil
09:57:44scorchehrm....strange...see it now
09:57:58GodEaterthe accoustics in that room are dreadful
09:58:08B4gderkrustyclo: sorry, we have video proof now saying it is
09:58:15krustyclowhat do you mean ?
09:58:22peturmy camera only does 8kHz, sorry
09:58:51B4gderkrustyclo: the video we're talking about where Linus says that about mac os
09:59:04GodEaterso it must be true!
09:59:20B4gderit says so on the internet, then it is true!
09:59:23krustycloi used linux for 12 years or so
09:59:32krustyclothen sold my pc and got a macbook...
09:59:41krustycloid never go back to a pc again... '
09:59:59peturkrustyclo: it's just about the fact that many osx users have a problem unzipping .rockbox to their player
10:00:12krustycloi didnt have any probs
10:00:13peturdon't take it personally
10:00:18krustyclono im not ...
10:00:24krustyclosounds a pebkac problem
10:00:26GodEaterkrustyclo: that's because by running linux you've demonstrated having a clue
10:00:33GodEatermost OSX users don't have one
10:00:42krustycloi didnt switch from windows to os x
10:00:55krustycloso its nice to drop to a command shell and run rm -rf / every now and then
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10:01:14krustycloto keep my system running well
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10:01:33GodEaterwe've had questions from some OSX users on how to start the shell. Then they've no idea what to do with it after they've started it.
10:01:57krustyclooh.. sounds windows newbs
10:02:12krustyclothey houldnt be messin around in terminal if they dunno wtf theyre doing
10:02:29B4gderthe unzip problems the mac os x users have is proof of silliness imho
10:02:39GodEaterit's completely braindead
10:02:42krustyclowhy ?
10:02:46peturexactly. that's why we need an easy tool for those users
10:02:51krustycloos x comes with a built in unzip utility
10:03:21B4gderyes, and that clearly isn't good enough for users
10:03:23GodEaterbecause it unzips the file into a folder called "rockbox"
10:03:32GodEaterinstead of unzipping what's IN the zip file
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10:03:52krustyclothen all you do is copy the contents of the folder to the mp3 player
10:03:54krustyclohow hard is that ?
10:04:03GodEatertoo hard for most of our users
10:04:10GodEateresp. the OSX ones.
10:04:17krustycloagain, a pebkac problem
10:04:21krustycloknow what that means ?
10:04:25B4gderI disagree
10:04:27*petur feels sorry the vid only covers rbutil, but the camera just ran until battery empty, which was after 10mins :(
10:04:31GodEaterI disagree too
10:04:45GodEaterOSX's unzip utility shouldn't invent folders
10:05:06LinusNkrustyclo: and the reason that they fail to copy it is because .rockbox is hidden
10:05:27B4gderyou can't blame the users for not being good at working around flaws in the unzip untility
10:05:28scorchepetur: perhaps next time we should record video through camera and audio though rockbox and sync later? really is dreadful
10:05:29krustyclousually i unzip it in terminal
10:05:37LinusNthere is no way to unzip the contents of the zip directly onto the device using the builtin zip tool
10:05:40krustycloyou know what the real problem is ?
10:05:45scorcheor even have a decent video recorder
10:05:50GodEateryes. "OSX is evil"
10:05:55B4gderkrustyclo: mac os x? ;-P
10:05:55krustycloits a lack of understanding of unix based file systems and naming conventions
10:05:58GodEaterwe already said ;)
10:06:07Zagorkrustyclo: from the osx team, yes
10:06:18krustycloi used linux so i know that files beginning with . are hidden
10:06:41peturscorche: I just made these to let people get an idea how devcon looks and feels
10:06:47GodEaterkrustyclo: and again, most OSX users haven't done that and DON'T know that and they shouldn't HAVE to
10:06:50LinusNkrustyclo: but the majority of os x users don't know that
10:06:50krustyclobut i can see how the windows to os x newb wouldnt know that
10:07:03krustyclowell i guess im ahead of the game
10:07:10GodEaterhow about the "never used windows or linux" OSX users ?
10:07:23Zagorif macosx unzip would just do what you tell it to, none of this would be a problem
10:07:24krustyclothis kind of stuff isnt for them
10:07:29krustycloit does
10:07:34Zagorno it doesn
10:07:41krustyclowho can translate that
10:07:49LinusNi really miss the "B", "P" and "F" in the tracker email subjects...
10:07:57ZagorLinusN: coming soon
10:07:59peturhey, don't talk binary to me like that
10:08:46GodEaterif the unzip utility wasn't so brain dead on OSX, we wouldn't have all the "help!" posts in our installation forums
10:08:55krustycloits not os x
10:09:08krustycloa graphical unzip utility in linux would do the same
10:09:09Zagorno, it's unzip on osx
10:09:12krustyclono it isnt
10:09:16Zagorkrazykit: no
10:09:16krustyclothe file is hidden
10:09:26Zagorthe hidden file is not the problem. the fake folder is.
10:09:41krustyclothats not the utils fault
10:09:52LinusNit definitely is
10:09:55krustyclowhat if there were 10,000 files in the zip
10:09:58Zagorof course it is. the util is inventing a folder that does not exist in the zip
10:10:02krustyclowithout a folder structure
10:10:18krustycloi always extract a zip into a containing folder
10:10:19B4gderthere isn't
10:10:27krustyclohuh ?
10:10:29Zagorkrustyclo: now you want hand-holding and "protect me from my computer"?
10:10:46krustycloim saying, it makes sense to extract into a containing folder
10:10:51krustyclocall it fake if you want
10:10:51GodEaterno it doesn't
10:10:55B4gderwe all think the tool should extract the files that were added to the zip, exactly those files
10:11:02B4gderexcept you krustyclo
10:11:23Zagorkrustyclo: if it was an option, i could agree with you. but not when you can't disable that behavious.
10:11:42Zagorout of arguments?
10:11:43peturok, shall I remove that rbutil vid again and let peace return?
10:12:00GodEaterpetur: no way!
10:13:02krustyclodid anyone get that ?
10:13:12scorchekrustyclo: saying that (the first) in binary does not make it ok..that is against the guidelines...
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10:13:22B4gdersilly arguments event
10:13:23linuxstb_B4gder: Is there a plan to produce 64MB ipod video current/daily builds (sorry if I missed talk of this in IRC - I've been away from home for 4 days and only scanned the logs) ?
10:13:29scorchespeaking in binary is against them as well
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10:13:43B4gderlinuxstb_: yes I'll add such ones
10:13:54krustycloyou guys did an awesome job at rockbox
10:14:03linuxstbB4gder: OK. That means extra detection is needed for ipodpatcher (for when it's used with rbutil)...
10:14:05krustyclowell those of you here who worked on it
10:14:43B4gderlinuxstb: ah yes indeed. BTW, do you know if the 5.5G 30GB has 32mb?
10:14:47GodEaterlinuxstb: which bit of ipodpatcher cares ?
10:15:01krustycloso far i havent had any problems with RB
10:15:12linuxstbB4gder: Not for sure - I've just assumed (like everyone) it's the same as the 5G 30GB.
10:15:29krustycloLinusN, GodEater have you guys tried ipodlinux ?
10:15:39LinusNi haven't
10:15:43GodEaterkrustyclo: nope - it doesn't interest me
10:15:44B4gderGodEater: the part that downloads a particular zip for your target I guess
10:15:53krustyclodont it isnt stable at all
10:15:58GodEateripodpatcher does that ?!?!
10:16:07linuxstbGodEater: ipodpatcher itself doesn't care, but the ipodpatcher detection code is used by rbutil which installs daily/current builds - so it needs to report the 64MB targets.
10:16:08*B4gder thought about rbutil
10:16:17GodEatermakes sense
10:16:39GodEaterdo we know how to detect that then ?
10:16:47GodEaterother than relying on the model ?
10:16:53linuxstbWe can only go by disk size I think.
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10:17:50GodEateris it only the 60 and the 80 that we know of with 64MB ?
10:18:32*GodEater built a 64MB rockbox version yesterday for his 80GB
10:18:50krustycloman i wwish my ipod had a bigger hd
10:19:20Stygianhow big is it?
10:19:25krustyclo:p 4GB
10:20:08krustycloits an ipod mini. i dont think the hd is replaceable
10:20:18krustyclowait minis dont use flash mem do they ?
10:20:23GodEaterI think you can replace the mini's HD with compact flash can't you ?
10:20:27scorcheyou can
10:21:27B4gdershould I add a "current" build for ipod 64mb as well?
10:21:29GodEaterNot sure what size options that gives you though
10:21:40GodEaterB4gder: why bother ? ;)
10:21:57B4gderonly if we have a bunch of such users who want the bleeding stuff
10:22:22GodEaterhang on, current = svn right ? Yes definitely in that case.
10:22:35GodEaterI'd use it
10:22:57B4gderfirst more coffee, then I'll poke on the script
10:23:00linuxstbB4gder: I thought current builds were what we recommend everyone to use?
10:23:08GodEaterbtw - British Telecom are still proving to be the world's biggest pains in the ass, I still have no internet at my new home - but my build server is yearning to come back to the gang.
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10:23:47bluebrotherkrustyclo: you can replace the mini's hard drive with a CF card
10:24:14krustycloyea im reading about it but it looks kind of tricky
10:24:30bluebrotheryou need to make a small adjustment to the RB source, but that's not complicated
10:24:31GodEaterlinuxstb: that's what I think too - we always ask people to use svn over "daily" if they report a problem.
10:24:38bluebrotherI tried that mod, it's really easy.
10:24:53bluebrotherthe only problem is that there are cards around that don't work "good"
10:24:57GodEatertbh, I think we should drop the daily's
10:25:53krustyclobluebrother, it isnt worth doing it even if i get an 8gb compactflash card
10:25:57B4gderthe dailies serve two purposes
10:26:02linuxstbGodEater: The dailies are useful when users report new problems - they can go back over the last 30 days and check.
10:26:19GodEaterah I see
10:26:28GodEatermaybe we should rename them "troubleshooting" builds
10:26:29linuxstbB4gder: two purposes?
10:26:29B4gderand the fact that they're built on a single host also makes the situation somewhat more controlled in case of odd errors
10:26:44B4gderthat has helped us in the past
10:26:48GodEaterin cases of odd binutils behaviour you mean ?
10:26:52GodEateror the like
10:27:02GodEatermakes sense
10:27:38linuxstbB4gder: BTW, I've been reading the devcon report - what does dropping support for ROMbox mean? Will it be removed from SVN, or just left as it is today?
10:28:06GodEaterthere's a report now ?
10:28:19B4gderlinuxstb: mostly that we leave it as it is today, and no actual effort in making it ever work again
10:28:25linuxstbGodEater: The wiki page
10:28:40bluebrotherkrustyclo: depends on what you call worth it. I really like the idea
10:28:40*GodEater goes to read it
10:29:00krustyclobluebrother, isnt the highest capacity that you can get now 8GB ?
10:29:09krustycloas far as compactflash goes ?
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10:29:24bluebrotherI'm not sure, but if not 16GB should be around in some time
10:29:30amiconnhi LinusN :)
10:29:33bluebrotherso the mod itself is quite interesting.
10:29:57LinusNamiconn: hi!
10:29:58bluebrothermy problem is only that those cards aren't too cheap and I don't have too much money to spend on something like that
10:30:13amiconnlinuxstb: Just the fact that we accept rombox became too big for most archoses nowadays.
10:30:20krustycloi dont want to shell out a lot just to go from 4-8gb
10:30:28amiconnOf course we should still try to write nice compact and efficient code
10:30:42bluebrotherhehe. I did that anyway because I replaced the battery
10:30:44GodEateramiconn: of course :)
10:30:59amiconnThe 2 targets where rombox still fits will of course continue to provide it as long as possible
10:31:07amiconn(Ondio SP and Player)
10:31:15B4gderat next commit there should be a 64mb video version built
10:31:36amiconnLinusN: Where did you find something that says identify word 47 bit 8 is a "validity" bit?
10:31:50GodEaterI assume detecting the amount of memory and allocating the right amount at runtime is non-trivial ?
10:32:02amiconnNone of the ata-5, ata-6 and ata-7 specs I checked say that, and none of my hdd targets have that set
10:32:12B4gderGodEater: for the 64mb you mean?
10:32:40B4gderGodEater: it requires us to re-arrange where we put stuff in memory somewhat
10:33:03amiconnI also checked the multisectors reported by my 6 hdd targets. All report 16 except the mini G2's microdrive, which even does report 32
10:33:36linuxstbamiconn: Does your patch still need testing on "normal" ipod videos?
10:33:40B4gderGodEater: here's amiconn suggesting how to fix it "properly": petur/devcon2007/images/dscf0011.jpg">
10:33:43amiconnBut the ata specs say that '0' is a reserved value, so the G5.5/80's hdd violates the ata specs here
10:34:13amiconnlinuxstb: Yes. I am also interested in a filesystem performance test patched vs. unpatched, if possible
10:35:39krustyclohey bluebrother
10:35:41krustyclostill here ?
10:37:11GodEaterB4gder: is one of those the current layout, and the other the proposed one? And if so, which is which ? :)
10:37:45B4gderthey're both the same
10:37:46linuxstbamiconn: OK, I'll do that, but it won't be until this evening. Adding support for the 80GB means a new ipodpatcher released with updated bootloaders, and there are some things I would like to fix in ipodpatcher (and the bootloaders) before doing that. But I should be able to do that this evening as well.
10:37:55krustyclobluebrother, you here ?
10:38:00B4gderGodEater: just one using a fixed name and the other a dated one
10:38:33GodEaterI meant in amiconn's diagram
10:38:54B4gderGodEater: the left is the current, and the right is the proposed new one
10:38:55GodEaterI assume the one on the left is the ideal layout
10:39:03GodEaterI meant right
10:39:10linuxstbGodEater: The problem is that plugins and codecs are compiled and linked to be executed from fixed addresses at the end of RAM. The suggested fix (amiconn's diagram) is to move plugins and codecs to the start of RAM instead.
10:39:30GodEaterand then just extend the buffer off into space...
10:39:34GodEaternice idea
10:40:01GodEaterdoes that mean that the codecs / plugins will now have to fit into a given amount of space ?
10:40:21peturthey already had to
10:40:24B4gderthis pic is a bit clearer petur/devcon2007/images/dscf0014.jpg">
10:40:24linuxstbThat's how it works at the moment - two 512KB buffers at the end of RAM
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10:40:54GodEaterwhen will I remember not to click on a link in this thing ?
10:41:02GodEatercan you post that last one again B4gder ?
10:41:06B4gderthis pic is a bit clearer petur/devcon2007/images/dscf0014.jpg">
10:41:13GodEaterthanks :)
10:41:20B4gderits the same diagram, just a better pic of it
10:41:38GodEateryep - a bit easier to read
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10:43:02amiconnlinuxstb: I'll extend test_disk.rock to also test file create/open/delete performance, hopefully tonight
10:43:25linuxstbWas the operation of the bootloader discussed? i.e. should Rockbox be loaded directly to the destination address or continued to be loaded to the start of RAM and copied?
10:43:25amiconnIt would be nice to see disk performance patched vs. unpatched on a G5 (or G5.5/30)
10:43:39linuxstbamiconn: No problem, I can do that.
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10:48:00amiconnlinuxstb: I think the bootloader should continue to work like it does, and if we have a target where rockbox is split somehow in memory, crt0 should do that. It already handles several memory related inits anyway (iram, bss)
10:48:46amiconnZagor: around?
10:51:06amiconnI know why the irc irc reader script breaks in IE: While mozilla uses document.styleSheets[m].cssRules[n], for IE it must be document.styleSheets[m].rules[n]
10:51:26Zagoroh great...
10:51:31amiconnUnfortunately it's hard to test without having the .pl script available as well...
10:51:43Zagordo you want it?
10:52:52amiconnDoes that script have further special requirements, or does it just monitor the plaintext log file?
10:53:34Zagorit jst reads "current" or if you send it a date param
10:53:58LinusNamiconn: the validity bit check is wrong in my patch, it is supposed to check word 59 and not 47
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10:54:51amiconnLinusN: My new patch just checks for the reserved multisectors value instead. Do you think that's a problem?
10:55:07Zagorand vavawoom, here I spot a vulnerability in that script. download it now, because I'm taking down the .txt link.
10:55:31LinusNamiconn: i'm not sure, but since the spec defines a validity bit, perhaps we should use it
10:57:33linuxstbamiconn: Do you have any interest in doing the 64MB reorganisation?
10:58:13amiconnLinusN: This validity bit is for the actual setting, not for the capability reported in word 47
10:58:35LinusNah, of course
10:58:46amiconnBut word 59 bits 0..7 "might" tell us the preferred value for the disk
10:59:01*amiconn loves simple and clear specs </sarcasm>
10:59:28LinusNeven more when the manufacturers abuse them
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11:00:09GodEaterhave they abused them? Or are they just as confused as us ?
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11:00:23amiconnAnyone around with a G5.5 30GB?
11:02:16LinusNGodEater: in this case it is a clear error, where they report a reserved value for the multisector capability
11:02:56GodEaterlets petition Toshiba and tell them what we think of them :)
11:04:21B4gderbluebrother: your fsstrip thing has been added
11:06:38*LinusN adds Toshiba to HitList
11:07:12B4gdercan we buy Toshiba with the Rockbox fund?
11:07:42*Zagor checks the bank account
11:07:48Zagorwhat do they cost?
11:08:08Zagorthey can't be very expensive, can they?
11:08:38B4gderI doubt it, they're japanese and I hear a yen is almost nothing ;-)
11:09:13GodEatermake them an offer...
11:10:15B4gder"hello sir, we in the Rockbox project have decided we want to buy your cute company. We offer you the sum of 1000 yens for a quick deal. Agree?"
11:10:48markunB4gder: we could even take the old Gigabeat back into production!
11:11:45*austriancoder will commit in 5 minutes, if nobody says somthing aginst it in the next 5 minutes
11:11:46GodEaterwe could mass produce our own ideal platform
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11:12:08B4gderaustriancoder: that's not really a good way to proceed
11:12:13B4gder5 minutes is nothing
11:12:38LinusNat least allow some time for the hitmen to arrive
11:12:39*GodEater hides so that he can miss going on to LinusN's hitlist
11:13:08austriancoderB4gder: the patch is there for more than 5 minutes in the tracker and I told the irc to review it yesterday.. i only want to go for sure, that everybody is okay with it
11:13:27B4gderaustriancoder: lots of devs didn't see that yday or saw this today
11:13:40B4gderas jdgordon can tell you...
11:14:02B4gderasking things on IRC like "speak up if you object or I commit" is not good
11:14:18B4gdersince at any single moment, most devs are not present
11:14:43austriancoderB4gder: okay.. review it and if everything is okay i will commit it in 48 hours
11:15:17B4gderif you posted such a request on the dev mailing list I would consider it ok
11:15:41B4gderbecause 1) I'm not the one to review it anyway and 2) the stuff I said about devs reading the IRC right now
11:16:13B4gderbut then I'm not saying you necessarily must have it reviewed
11:16:18LinusNi think the patch looks OK
11:16:45austriancoderB4gder: indirectly it did it:
11:16:55LinusNand if you feel confident about it, and are prepared to handle any immediate problems, feel free to commit
11:18:07austriancoderLinusN: thanks...
11:19:14linuxstbaustriancoder: I've only just looked at the patch briefly, but have one comment - could you make audiohw.h include the low-level .h file (e.g. uda1380.h), instead of the other way around?
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11:21:51linuxstbI think that would also mean you could get rid of the useless mas35xx.h file.
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11:29:00markunlinuxstb: I wonder if he doesn't reply because he is already committing..
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11:37:31bluebrotherB4gder: nice.
11:37:32pondlifescorche: Thanks
11:37:44scorchepondlife: revenge is sweet, no?
11:37:54pondlifeIs it too early for beer-fuelled violence in this channel?
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11:38:55pondlifeWhat's up with the build system, btw?
11:39:22ender`looks like one of the servers doesn't quite work
11:39:58pondlifeJust one? It's being fed plenty of builds to do..
11:40:54pondlifePerhaps the build system could spot a build time of <2 seconds and temporarily eliminate that server?
11:41:27pondlifeBuild times of ( 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0) are very "impressive", no?
11:42:29ender`yup :)
11:42:50*pondlife wonders if that's in binary or not
11:47:13LinusNdamn, someone enabled the nuclearscripting server again, i disabled that one last week
11:47:39pondlife"Christmas time is here again"
11:47:48ender`what's wrong with that server (aside from not building stuff)?
11:48:11safetydanwoo, upgrading libspeex to 1.2beta2 makes it go 0.6% faster on coldfire
11:48:25*safetydan thanks linuxstb for the test_codec plugin
11:48:30LinusNender`: last week it made the entire build system freeze for some reason
11:48:38Zagorwhee, B/P/F prefixes added again
11:48:53linuxstbsafetydan: You're welcome :) I'm constantly thanking myself for it, and wondering why I didn't do it two years ago...
11:49:27pondlifeShould sound on 80GB iPod be added to te
11:49:33pondlife I mean
11:49:41linuxstbpondlife: Only when it's in SVN
11:49:42LinusNnot until we commit it
11:49:59pondlifeAh, ok. I thought it was the "Ladies and Gentleman" we triggered on.
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11:50:19pondlifeOr at least on the front page.
11:52:37pondlifee.g. "2006-03-28: Sound on iAudio X5!."
11:53:47linuxstbIsn't disk access on the 80GB the news, rather than sound?
11:53:54LinusNi agree about the front page
11:54:13pondlifeIt was still a L&G...
11:54:31linuxstbpondlife: I'm partly referring to that...
11:54:50pondlifeAlthough suvch a post may trigger a flood of 80GB n00bs to our support channels :(
11:55:20linuxstbYes, it will give an influx of new users.
11:55:41pondlifeIndeed, and new devs too, ultimately.
11:59:20amiconnLinusN: I think the patch can be simplified a bit more. We don't really need 2 cached sectors; one will be enough
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11:59:57amiconnI didn't think about that before, I just chose 2 because on the Ondio we need 2 (because of the bitswap running in the background)
11:59:59LinusNamiconn: i haven't studied the patch yet
12:00:10LinusNah of course
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12:08:25B4gderLinusN: I re-enabled that server since chrisjs169 was here and he re-installed the box
12:08:45LinusNnot a very good reinstall i must say :-)
12:09:21B4gderclearly not
12:10:17linuxstbB4gder: Do both ipodvideo builds get the "ipvd" magic?
12:10:29linuxstb(in the scramble header)
12:10:52B4gderpossibly we should change that
12:11:29linuxstbYes, I think so. I'll think about that as part of issuing the new set of bootloaders.
12:12:14B4gderyes, we'll get more people using the wrong builds otherwise
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12:13:05*amiconn thinks we should probably not change too much for the separate 64MB builds
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12:27:18linuxstbamiconn: Why? Are you planning on doing the require reorganisation to allow a single build?
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12:34:16markunlinuxstb: yes, I think the idea is to move the plugins and codecs to the start of the memory
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12:35:23markunon ARM right after the vectors
12:36:06B4gderi think the plan is to only do that on the targets that need it
12:36:24linuxstbThat idea has been around for over a year - I assumed that because the simple solution (separate builds) had been committed, that no-one was stepping forward to do the nice way.
12:36:38B4gdera correct assumption I'd say
12:36:46B4gderbut perhaps amiconn has seconds thoughts ;-)
12:37:31linuxstbAlthough maybe the nice way will be easier, given all the effort (updating rbutil, bootloaders, documentation etc...) required for separate builds.
12:38:00markuncan we also detect the 8MB mod for the archoses?
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12:39:03Nico_Pwhat changes does the "nice way" invlove ?
12:40:57amiconnI think the ram rearranging won't be difficult, but it involves a rather large memcpy, so I'm not sure whether we want that on all targets
12:40:58linuxstbChanging the .lds files, changing crt0-pp.S to relocate the main firmware code, and maybe changing some config.h variables (I'm not sure about all the places the plugin/codec load addresses are)
12:41:20amiconnThe most difficult part would be adjusting the linker script
12:41:34amiconnIf we go that route, we should probably do it for all targets
12:41:48linuxstbThe memcpy was why I suggested the bootloaders simply load to the correct address to start with.
12:42:13amiconnIt would even allow to unify the h100 and h120 builds, if we use the memory size information also to adjust for the only other difference between h100 and h120
12:42:38amiconnlinuxstb: There is no single 'correct address', at least not on arm, because of the vectors
12:43:08linuxstbWe don't know how big the vectors are?
12:43:46amiconnWe know, but the binary nees to be distributed to 2 different addresses
12:44:04linuxstbIsn't it just the vectors that need copying?
12:44:17amiconnVectors must stay at 0 on arm, and everything else moved up by sizeof(codec_ram)+sizeof(plugin_ram)
12:44:50linuxstbYes, so we load at 1MB+a little bit from the start of RAM, and just copy the vectors.
12:44:54amiconnOr you load everything 1MB up, and then copy the vectors the other direction
12:45:08B4gdersounds like a better memcpy...
12:45:19amiconnIt would be exactly 1MB, because the vectors could still be at the start
12:45:31Nico_Perr, silly question: what are the "vectors" ?
12:45:39linuxstbThe interrupt vectors
12:45:56Nico_Pah ok
12:46:46linuxstbBut the downside is yet another forced bootloader upgrade...
12:47:12amiconnYes, and we need to make sure new bootloaders won't load old binaries and vice versa
12:47:38amiconnOr perhaps they could continue to support old binaries for a while, but that means even more checking
12:48:00pondlifeWould it be possible to put a nice warning so the main code can tell the user to update their bootloader, or will a memory rearrangement make some kind of Abort the only option?
12:48:38amiconnAnd on archos we cannot just change the load address, because rockbox is loaded by the archos loader unless it's flashed
12:49:09amiconnOtoh it woulöd be less of a problem with the self-decompressing binary on rec v1
12:50:50pondlifeHmm, Flyspray has the "by <nick>" back in it's mailing subject :(
12:52:03pondlifeVery likely my fault for using OE to read the newsgroup, but I find it breaks the threading display.
12:54:31chrisjs169B4gder: so what's up with my server?
12:54:46B4gdersee the build page
12:54:56B4gder'ld' errors
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12:55:17linuxstbB4gder: It's not even 'ld' errors - the build never starts.
12:55:34B4gderright, they show up as ld errors in the table
12:55:57peturmaybe it fails to svn update?
12:56:59B4gderthat seems to work
12:57:09B4gderthe master script does that first for all servers
12:57:32chrisjs169petur - I think you're right - I just did svn up and it updated a few files
12:57:39peturstrange error it gives
12:57:55peturlike it missed some files in the tools folder?
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12:58:15chrisjs169looks like they're all there
12:59:46petursomethings wrong with the build size table, it doesn't like the extra 64MB target
13:00:15pondlifeIt's just the total column needs a heading, isn't it?
13:00:16B4gderyeah, but I don't think its worth working a lot with
13:00:29pondlifeAh, it has one...
13:00:47peturthe non-existing builds don't have a cell
13:00:57chrisjs169I think I found the problem
13:00:59chrisjs169odd one though
13:04:04amiconnB4gder: The images in the table header cells still need width and height properties...
13:05:24amiconnThe jumping table when the images aren't cached is annoying...
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13:07:15B4gderit never jumped for me
13:07:36B4gderit just struck me all the images are of the same size so it is quite easy to add it
13:08:54amiconnIt jumps for me every few days
13:09:10B4gderI should make the small device pics use sizes too
13:09:15amiconnFirefox reserves more space than the actual width of the images
13:09:47amiconnSo the table is wieder first (even wider than my hi-res screen), and then shrinks horizontally as the images get loaded
13:10:28peturyou German? :p
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13:13:02chrisjs169Well I figured out what's wrong
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13:13:14chrisjs169but don't have any clue how it happened...
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13:16:07chrisjs169this is odd...
13:16:11markunchrisjs169: what was it?
13:16:49chrisjs169arm-elf-gcc etc weren't installed....i'm running again, but it isn't even creating the directory for it...
13:17:19peturdid you remove the old dir it created last time?
13:17:40chrisjs169that's the odd part - it almost looks like it didn't create a dir last time
13:18:04chrisjs169guess i'll try waiting for it to finish
13:18:06chrisjs169i g2g
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13:19:15B4gderisn't there still a lack of a 64bit patch applied to one of them gcc builds?
13:19:28*B4gder has a foggy recollection of something like that
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13:25:32chrisjs16932 bit
13:25:33preglowcoldfire needs a patch for gcc4 and above on 64 bit plats, i think
13:25:37preglowbut we don't use those
13:25:49chrisjs169i think it's working though, but don't enable the server yet
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13:31:38markunpreglow: you missed some nice beer
13:32:29preglowi saw...
13:33:11markunnext year?
13:33:21peturyou could get tan empty bottle :p
13:34:11preglowpetur: got more than enough of them, heh
13:34:27preglowmarkun: sure, i would have come this year too if i didn't already have plans
13:35:52peturwe need a devcon2008 date asap ;)
13:36:16desowinstart collecting beers ;-)
13:36:44peturnah, plenty of good shops nearby ;)
13:37:05amiconnBagder: The binary size table has a problem with the added build, unlike the status table...
13:37:17B4gderI know
13:37:20B4gderbut I don't care
13:37:25B4gderit'll get sorted out
13:37:41B4gderafter about 18 more commits
13:38:04peturlet that be a hint, amiconn :)
13:38:33B4gderor perhaps there actually is something else that is wrong as well
13:38:50B4gdertime will tell
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13:41:10B4gdercheck the devcon2007 page now
13:41:56peturno, bottles
13:42:06pondlifeSigned bottles :)
13:42:21*pondlife wants signed beer.
13:46:31peturB4gder: maybe also add a link to the rockbox movie group at dailymotion?
13:47:32XavierGrpetur: which of those beers was the best in your opinion?
13:48:20peturtripel karmeliet is my fav, but I like the chimays a lot as well
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13:48:54peturand westmalle of course
13:49:04peturand .... ;)
13:49:08preglowit would be hard to choose, yes...
13:50:25petur8 people per bottle was a bit too much though, we didn't actually drink much beer
13:53:43preglowit won't be if i come
13:54:18preglowif any surplus would occur, i'd just buy the extra bottles from you :)
13:54:23preglowand probably drink them five seconds after
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13:54:30peturI can't bring much more, I was already 0.5kg over my allowance
13:55:03peturhome->devcon 20.5kg devcon->home 13.5kg
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13:55:29XavierGraren't there any good beers in Sweden?
13:55:40linuxstbDerPapst: Thanks for testing - 154% realtime for MP3 on the 3G is looking almost usable...
13:56:15preglowlinuxstb: is it just me or is faster without the iram on pp5020?
13:56:25linuxstbIt's faster without iram...
13:56:43linuxstbSee my (and TrueJournal) comments in flyspray...
13:57:10linuxstbBut (unsurprisingly), iram gives speedups on the 3g (see DerPapst's results)
13:57:24preglowi don't understand why no iram would give better results
13:57:28preglowi don't understand that at all
13:57:31linuxstbHave you had a chance to look at the accuracy of the patch?
13:57:48preglowno, but i'm going to do so today if i can
13:57:56linuxstbNo, nor do I. I can only assume it's related to the cache, and the cache must be faster than IRAM.
13:58:00preglowi think it'll be acceptable
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13:58:18preglowthat would be... interesting
13:58:41linuxstbBut no, I can't really think of a logical explanation...
13:59:02linuxstbUnless maybe it's long-calls between SDRAM and IRAM...
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14:21:34PhoeniXYZHello. I've got a question about Rockbox. When I change the font to 6+12x13 everything is not aligned anymore. But thats kinda the only font with support for Japanese characters I found. What can I do to align everything correctly?
14:22:41linuxstbI'm assuming you're talking about the WPS? WPSs are normally designed with a specific font in mind, and don't work correctly with different ones.
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14:23:48PhoeniXYZSo... can I modify the font used somehow?
14:24:49linuxstbIt's probably easier to modify the WPS, or try different ones until you find one which looks acceptable with your font.
14:26:05GodEateror find one which uses your font in the first place
14:26:19linuxstbOr that...
14:26:44GodEateror make your own from scratch!
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14:27:25PhoeniXYZI doesn't necessarily need to use that font. I need including a font with Japanese chars.
14:27:44linuxstbUniCatcher probably supports Japanese.
14:28:20linuxstbThere's a wiki page showing which fonts support which character sets (but I forget the name)
14:28:43linuxstbUnicodeFonts -
14:29:05PhoeniXYZa thanks
14:29:09markunno japanese there I think
14:29:10GodEaterit's rasher's site ?
14:29:49markunGodEater: there is a link to rasher's font page in the UnicodeFont page
14:29:57GodEaterah - my bad
14:30:44PhoeniXYZin this table there is japanese, but only for unicode and 6+12x13
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14:31:57markunPhoeniXYZ: it's a lot of work to draw kanji for a font, maybe you can ask pixelma to update the nimbus fonts ;)
14:32:02GodEateryep - that's about the size of it
14:32:47GodEater6x13 claims to have some support as well - but not much
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14:33:30markunGodEater: well, 6+12x13 is basically the 6x13 + 12x13 fonts
14:33:32GodEateryou're welcome to have a hunt for other .bdf fonts that do include more CJK support
14:33:56GodEaterI think the rockbox ones are ones we've found that have a clear license for us to distribute them
14:34:03GodEaterit doesn't stop you using others right ?
14:34:14markunor you can try to convert some ttf fonts to bdf, but the quality it not always very good
14:34:28PhoeniXYZi just wanted to ask whether that's possible markun
14:38:23PhoeniXYZah great, thank you
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14:41:04aliaskZagor: Would it be possible to get subscribed tasks sent via a cc in the original mail from the tracker, rather than a seperate mail?
14:42:13Zagornot without major patching
14:42:34markunPhoeniXYZ: there is a font in the tracker which at least has support for korean, don't know which other languages.
14:42:55Zagoraliask: but you can disable personal notifications in your profile, and thus only get from the mailing list
14:46:10aliaskZagor: It was nice how it was before, gmail would note that you were CC'd the mail as well and give it a little ">" next to it. If it involves patching, don't worry about it though.
14:46:44Zagoraliask: the way flyspray sends mail has changed, so it cannot do it the same way anymore
14:51:54*petur reads Stockholm is getting an ABBA museum and plans to buy LinusN a ticket
14:52:14GodEaterthey're having the singers stuffed and mounted ?
14:52:47markunpetur: maybe it's time for him to discover other bands besides ABBA and Ace of Bass, don't you think?
14:53:15peturat least we tried during devcon but he kept asking for them
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14:56:28GodEaterhe didn't ask for any Roxette ?
14:57:18GodEaterso it's not enough that the band be swedish? There's some other odd criteria too ? :)
14:58:48ZagorI noticed there are rules set up in FlySprayHowto in wiki about how to use severity. does that mean we actually use it nowadays?
14:58:54GodEaterwho's hiding behind LinusN in the team picture? Or is that his second head ?
14:59:00Zagori.e. should I unlock it for reporters again?
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14:59:40peturimho, those rules were set up because reporters kept using illogical choices
15:00:05peturso we're better off without that field
15:00:07B4gderI don't think we need severity at this point at least
15:00:26Zagorpetur: right, that's why I locked it...
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15:02:15Zagori'll remove that from the wiki page then, and put a link to it from the Open New Task page
15:07:18PhoeniXYZthanks for the font issue :) but i've got another problem. when looking at my songs in database mode then the songs in albums with more than one disc are sorted in the wrong way. there are the two first songs first, then the second songs... and so on. is there any chance to force rockbox to sort by the disc tag in id3v2?
15:08:18PhoeniXYZ"thanks for help concerning the font issue" i wanted to say, sorry
15:09:17linuxstbPhoeniXYZ: I don't think Rockbox supports a disc number tag, although I seem to remember seeing a patch for it.
15:10:07linuxstbA workaround would be to number the first disc's tracks as (e.g.) 101-115 and the second disc as (e.g.) 201-213.
15:10:27GodEateror name the albums with the disc number in (as I do)
15:10:31*amiconn just indicates the disk number in the album tag
15:10:50PhoeniXYZthat would result in a big rework for my whole library
15:11:17linuxstbGodEater/amiconn: But that wouldn't show them as a single album in the database.
15:11:28GodEaterNo it wouldn't
15:11:36*GodEater accepts this limitation
15:11:46PhoeniXYZi found a patch but that just adds the feature right? the gui wouldnt display it?
15:11:53*amiconn too
15:11:59*linuxstb too ;)
15:12:05amiconnlinuxstb: Track numbers are limited to 2 digits
15:12:19linuxstbThey are? Even for norwegian language courses?
15:12:40B4gderRockbox is surely not norwegian compliant
15:12:50*GodEater hopes not
15:12:52amiconnEven when the database guesses track numbers, which is still in there and it's annoying :(
15:13:02*linuxstb trusts Nico will fix the norwegian bug
15:13:42linuxstbWhat limits track numbers to 2 digits?
15:13:48GodEaterlord knows
15:14:07GodEaterI thought I'd seen bluebrother post something about using tagnavi syntax to get three digit ones
15:14:14GodEaterso that would imply there's no limitation
15:14:21GodEaterbut I trust amiconn's knowledge of the source
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15:14:33PhoeniXYZok.. one last question for now, how to apply a .patch file?
15:14:46linuxstbIn id3.h, "track_string" is a char* (same as the other strings), and tracknum is an int.
15:14:49amiconnI didn't check the source, but limiting track numbers to 2 digits is common
15:15:05amiconnThe database definitely only displays 2
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15:15:23linuxstbMaybe it's a database issue then (%02d) ?
15:15:58amiconnAudio CDs can't have more than 99 tracks per red book, that's where the limit comes from
15:16:28aliaskPhoeniXYZ: It's not really an easy one step thing. You need to recompile rockbox from the source.
15:17:28aliaskBut for now, I'm off.
15:17:33PhoeniXYZso its hard without unix experience?
15:17:48aliaskThere's a tutorial on the wiki somewhere
15:17:51GodEatertagnavi defaults to the %02d format
15:17:58*GodEater just looked
15:17:58PhoeniXYZhm ok...
15:18:02PhoeniXYZso thank you
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15:18:21linuxstbPhoeniXYZ: It helps to be comfortable on the command-line (any command-line...), but as aliask said, there is lots of documentation about it.
15:19:29godzirraheya guys. If I use senab's build (god am I so happy to have gotten rid of my zune and gotten a rockbox enabled device again) what do I need to name the jpgs?
15:19:47PhoeniXYZconvert them into 100x100 .bmps
15:19:49linuxstbWhat jpgs?
15:19:55godzirraAhh ok. And name them what?
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15:20:15PhoeniXYZcover.bmp i think :)
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15:20:23godzirraGot it.
15:21:12godzirraHrm. I wonder if there's an easy way to find all the jpgs in subdirectories and convert them into 100x100 bmps.
15:21:31PhoeniXYZi didn't find one yet
15:21:33GodEaterimagemagick + bash scripting :)
15:21:44godzirraMy mp3s are on my windows pc.,
15:21:58GodEaterimagemagick + bash scripting + cygwin then
15:22:12markunI think there are some tools for windows
15:22:32markungodzirra: you didn't find anything in the forums?
15:22:44linuxstbOr the wiki page about album art?
15:23:02godzirra... I havent started looking yet. Sorry, it didnt occur to me to look since it wasn't an official rockbox build.
15:23:14*godzirra goes to read.
15:24:58godzirraI'm reading it now.
15:26:00markunwere there many complaints yet after Cassandra removed all those WPS'?
15:26:32peturnly some but I think most haven't noticed
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15:27:42PaulJamgodzirra: it works pretty well with irfan view and its batch processing
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15:31:05godzirraI'm reading up now. Thanks. ;) I've got to jet to work but I'll finish reading shortly.
15:32:05linuxstbWas there any discussion about ?
15:32:13linuxstb(e.g. making it more official)
15:33:16B4gderbut we should!
15:33:24pondlifeIt's a nice site, just need to remove the copyright infringers, and perhaps tone down the number of "My Humps".
15:33:53pondlifeBTW, what was the copyright problem with the ones Cassandra removed? Winamp icons?
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15:34:41linuxstbIMO, the two issues are 1) Copyright - does the webmaster of want to restrict it to "100% legal" WPSs ? 2) WPSs requiring patches - are we happy to distribute them?
15:34:46Zagorpondlife: "my humps"?
15:34:59linuxstb(and of course, 3) - does the webmaster want to make it official?)
15:35:27pondlifeZagor: Look at the H300 page for a sample....
15:36:03pondlifeThe Sahara theme should certainly be using "My Humps though ;)
15:36:33Zagorsame person making all screenshots?
15:37:15pondlifeGuess so.. pity they had to use that track.... ;)
15:37:44*pondlife doesn't like it much, that's all
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16:02:39GenjuroXLgood afternoon
16:03:25GenjuroXLanybody know if there is a codec speed comparison available somewhere? (speed in rockbox, obviously)
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16:03:35GenjuroXLgoogle didn't really answer my question :)
16:03:46B4gderI don't think we have one (yet)
16:04:04GenjuroXLhm, i need some proof that flac and musepack are the fastest codecs in rockbox
16:04:10peturbut we now have a tool to make one ;)
16:04:24GenjuroXL(random mpc haters on hydrogenaudio questioning the mpc decoding speed)
16:04:25linuxstbGenjuroXL: That's not a very scientific approach... ;)
16:04:47B4gderGenjuroXL: we have a tool you can run to test codec speed in rockbox
16:04:54GenjuroXLi don't even have a portable :)
16:05:09GenjuroXLalso, i do use a scientific approach now and then (studying physics :b)
16:05:17linuxstbFLAC definitely isn't the fastest lossless codec - wav/aiff would be first, then shorten, then FLAC.
16:05:39GenjuroXLwav and aiff are usually just pcm
16:05:44GenjuroXLnot really lossless compression :)
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16:05:59B4gderthey're lossless, not compression ;-)
16:06:04linuxstbGenjuroXL: I just mean you should be asking which are the fastest codecs, not asking for evidence to support a guess...
16:06:12simmelIsn't wavepack faster and better than FLAC?
16:06:16GenjuroXLlinuxstb: that's fine too
16:06:27GenjuroXLthat's why i asked for a comparison table in the first place :)
16:06:50GenjuroXLsimmel: i think they're on par on machines with FPU, no idea about fixed point decoders
16:07:20B4gderI'd like one of those tables too
16:08:24GenjuroXLsimmel: wavpack compression ratio is definitely better than flac :)
16:08:26linuxstbGenjuroXL: Also, you should be careful to make it clear you're just talking about Rockbox, not the codecs in general. Not all of Rockbox's codecs have had the same level of optimisation effort applied to them. e.g. on ipods, vorbis used to be faster than mp3, but I think with optimisations, mp3 is now faster than vorbis....
16:08:44GenjuroXLi remember reading that mpc is the fastest lossy codec in rockbox with speed comparable to flac
16:09:08GenjuroXLand didn't Buschel submit a speedup patch for mpc decoding the other day?
16:09:38linuxstbYes, he did.
16:09:53GenjuroXLlinuxstb: actually, mpc doesn't only win in rockbox :)
16:10:02krazykitsimmel, somewhat, but wavpack isn't nearly as widely supported
16:10:02GenjuroXLit's the fastest in FP mode too
16:10:17GenjuroXLbut that's not relevant here
16:10:28amiconnwavpack decoding is definitely slower than flac decoding in rockbox
16:11:44amiconnscorche: Didn't you want to make a set of codec test files, or was that Soap?
16:12:10linuxstbGenjuroXL: But I'm sure we would all like someone to arrange such a test. How would you compare two codecs though? Same bitrate, or same "quality"?
16:12:22linuxstbamiconn: That was Soap.
16:12:41linuxstbamiconn: But he wasn't happy with his chosen track, so is still (afaik) searching for something better.
16:12:45krazykitlinuxstb, both, ideally
16:13:08GenjuroXLlinuxstb: bitrate shouldn't really matter when it comes to decoding speed
16:13:15linuxstbGenjuroXL: It does
16:13:20GenjuroXLbigger files, sure
16:13:28GenjuroXLbut isn't that a non-issue?
16:13:32B4gder"shouldn't really" is not good for scientific comparisions...
16:13:55linuxstbGenjuroXL: Try it yourself - check the decoding speed of 128kbps vs 320kbps with any lossy codec.
16:14:06GenjuroXLcbr is old
16:14:19GenjuroXLi'll compare mpc q5 and q10, ok?
16:14:21krazykityou'd want to test files with the accepted transparent cd quality of the various codecs
16:14:22linuxstbYes, but it's a fairer test of decoding speed.
16:15:51linuxstbGenjuroXL: OK, but then also compare two files at the same quality with different bitrates
16:17:45preglowbitrate has a large impact
16:17:52simmelkrazykit No, wavepack is alsmost completley unknown.
16:17:53preglowand matters very much
16:18:42GenjuroXLlinuxstb: 328x for q5 and 304x for q7
16:18:49preglowGenjuroXL: buschel's patch helps very much, but i'm still haven't decided what i think of trading quality off for speed
16:19:07GenjuroXLpreglow: wonder if it matters in a portable environment
16:19:13preglowand we need to decide what stance we have on codecs' output being depedent on target cpu
16:19:20preglowGenjuroXL: bitrate?
16:19:20GenjuroXLi don't like the idea of sacrificing quality for speed either
16:19:38GenjuroXLpreglow: that speed test was on windows on my pc
16:19:41GenjuroXLbitrates are
16:19:46preglowGenjuroXL: it does matter, and more than that
16:19:55GenjuroXL182 kbps for q5 and 241 kbps for q7
16:20:57GenjuroXLq7: 1,2614107883817427385892116182573 kbps/1x decoding speed
16:21:11preglow128kbps MP3: 345.93% realtime
16:21:12preglowVBR MP3: 180.73% realtime
16:21:14preglowlike that, for example
16:21:27preglowthe same will apply for musepack, somewhat
16:21:48GenjuroXLerr, actually no.. calc.exe hates me
16:21:55preglowthe huffman decoding step is quite intensive
16:22:13GenjuroXL0.79 for q7 and 0.56 for q5
16:22:38GenjuroXL</useless numbers>
16:22:52GenjuroXLpreglow: btw, have you tried porting sv8 over to rockbox?
16:23:41preglowlittle time for rockbox as it is, and i'm going to wait with that job until you're done
16:23:50GenjuroXLfair enough
16:23:53GenjuroXLit's not final yet
16:24:01GenjuroXLr2d is working his ass off, though
16:24:12GenjuroXLsv7->8 converter is nice
16:24:22preglowwhich is good, but the less i have to do, the better, so i'll wait
16:24:36GenjuroXLonce it's done it should be as easy as updating libmpcdec
16:24:50preglowit won't be, but it won't be too much work either
16:25:14preglowstock libmpcdec wouldn't ever run realtime in rockbox
16:25:32GenjuroXLneeds more asm
16:26:08preglowdepends what target, doesn't need too much on arm, but on coldfire it needs asm and iram usage
16:26:20GenjuroXLcoldfire is that m68k clone, right?
16:26:34GenjuroXLamiga500 on steroids :)
16:26:34preglowi had quite some fun making it work fast enough on that
16:27:06GenjuroXLwhich players use a coldfire?
16:27:07preglowthere's actually still some potential for speedup, but i can't be bothered when it's as fast as it is on coldfiore
16:27:26preglowsansa too
16:27:28preglowand gigabeat
16:27:55GenjuroXLapple is cheating by using DSPs to decode their stuff :)
16:28:04preglowthey use the arm
16:28:09GenjuroXLipod decodes in software mode?
16:28:14GenjuroXLthat's new :)
16:28:14preglowthey only use something else for video and audio in videos
16:28:26preglowordinary audio files are decoded on the arm
16:29:01preglowmusepack being fast isn't weird
16:29:04preglowit's a pretty low complexity codec
16:29:17preglowlayer2 with enhancements, more or less
16:29:36GenjuroXLsplit signal into subbands, quantize subbands
16:29:38preglowgiven more effort than already put into it, it can be even faster
16:29:42GenjuroXLcompress losslessly
16:30:11GenjuroXLwell, more speed means more battery life, so it might be worth it
16:30:26preglowsure, but i stop caring once it reaches a certain point
16:30:31preglowwhich has happened long since for musepack
16:31:00preglowi still have to maintain some kind of motivation for doing what i do, and that vanishes if i have to write half the codec in asm, heh
16:31:22GenjuroXLblame the linux people
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16:31:31GenjuroXLolder musepack made heavy use of asm
16:31:40GenjuroXLthen people wanted a C version of the lib
16:31:53GenjuroXLbecause pure C is the best (tm)
16:31:59preglowsure, it is
16:32:01preglowbut why remove the asm?
16:32:08preglowyou could use it if applicable for target
16:32:17GenjuroXLno idea, ask Lefungus and r2d :)
16:32:46preglowstill wouldn't help us much, though, unless you had arm and coldfire asm
16:33:09pondlifeAnyone know what sort of hard drive connector is used in the H340?
16:33:21markunpreglow: which brings us back to giving more of our changes to the original projects
16:33:28GenjuroXLpreglow: we need some oldschool amiga programmers, those people know about m68k asm :)
16:33:49preglowmarkun: i tried that with musepack, met plenty of indifference
16:33:56preglowso i keep them local
16:34:10preglowdoesn't matter much for me anyway
16:34:30GenjuroXLindifference probably because decoding speed is more than fast enough on PCs
16:34:45preglowsure, i don't harbor i grudge
16:34:56preglowasm is a pain in the ass to maintain too
16:35:03preglowsince few people do it
16:35:12markunpreglow: it's only interesting for people who want to use the codecs on similar platforms
16:35:13preglowbut if the code is factored properly, it's just a case of disabling it
16:35:57pondlifeJust wondered if the MK6008GAH is a suitable replacement drive for an H340 - e.g.
16:36:28markunpreglow: does it have a ZIF connector?
16:36:29B4gderpondlife: petur replaced his hd in h3xx
16:36:34markuneh, for pondlife
16:36:47peturyes but mine was a 8007
16:36:52preglowspeex guy seemed interested in our changes, but we have none yet
16:37:14peturand the last digit is the revision, so anything above 7 might be a problem
16:37:32PaulJampondlife: the MK6008GAH has a zif connector that doesn't fit into the h300. you would need to find a MK6006GAH.
16:37:51pondlifeAh, so what's the connector of the ...06GAH called?
16:38:00pondlifeA different sort of ZIF..? ;)
16:38:17peturATA or IDE
16:38:31peturthey mention ZIF it is ZIF
16:38:37pondlifeOld school notebook ATA then...
16:39:04PaulJampondlife: but you could make an adapter like described here:
16:39:07*petur finally got through to toshiba's list of disks
16:39:23pondlifeATA 50 pin, right?
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16:40:23pondlifepetur: Which drive did you use again? It was a bit pricy for me IIRC...
16:41:24peturI no longer find those online now, seems I got one just in time
16:41:42pondlifeSo it seems
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16:45:21pearldiverjust to let you know, the solution was the low level format
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16:45:58XavierGrso is it fixed now?
16:46:14XavierGrnice ot hear that
16:46:16pearldiveras it turns out the fw writes to the 0 sector
16:48:07pearldiverso the whole procedure is: low level format/new partition/gigabeat utility format/copying back up folders with rockbox
16:49:34linuxstbpearldiver: I missed the start of your story - what happened to stop your gigabeat working?
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16:49:53pearldiverlinuxstb one of the custom builds erased my partition
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16:50:57pearldiverso i had to reformat but the normal format didn't help at all, i kept getting system errors at boot up
16:51:24linuxstbI didn't think low-level format tools existed any more...
16:51:57pearldiver(thanks to kkurbjun for that)
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16:53:35GodEaterquery nickserv
16:53:59GodEaterbeats typing in your password by accident mind you
16:54:19linuxstbI never talk to nickserv in a channel window for that reason...
16:54:53pearldiverlinuxstb i took my gigabeat apart while at it and the weird thing it started to sound "louder" when i put it back together
16:54:56GenjuroXLyou don't have to talk to him at all
16:54:58GodEaterindeed - I've learnt that lesson the hard way
16:55:02GenjuroXLthe /chanserv alias works just fine
16:55:13ender`just use /nickserv, it's the safest (assuming your irc client doesn't convert that to /msg nickserv)
16:55:22GenjuroXLoops, yeah, /nickserv
16:55:44GodEaterwhat does it do ?
16:56:03GenjuroXLbasically the same as /msg nickserv blah
16:56:06GenjuroXLbut more secure
16:56:22GodEaterso if I leave off the /, I'll still transmit my password to the channel
16:56:26GenjuroXLi.e. to identify just use /nickserv identify <password>
16:56:30GodEateror mistype it in any other way
16:56:38GenjuroXLGodEater: that's why you're using the server tab for those things
16:56:38GodEatersay with a leading space
16:56:56GenjuroXLnever enter any sensitive data in channel tabs
16:57:07*GodEater shrugs. I prefer a direct communication with nickserv
16:57:25GodEaterthe trouble with the webirc client is it changes tab without warning
16:57:33GenjuroXLoh god, webirc
16:57:49GenjuroXLircing from work, are we? :)
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16:57:59GodEatercheck my mask :)
16:58:29GodEateronce I've got the home internet working again I'll be back to Xchat via a tunnel ssh connection
16:58:31GodEaterbut till then :)
16:59:46GenjuroXLtried chatzilla?
17:00:04GodEateryes. <shudder>
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17:04:07amiconn/nickserv can even be shortened to /ns
17:04:26*GodEater writes this down
17:06:16amiconnGodEater: The web client allows to identify from the aqdvanced login tab. No need to use those /ns messages at all
17:07:53GodEaterI thought that password field was for a secured irc server
17:08:03GodEaterrather than a nickserv password
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17:14:45*petur reads mails and also votes against US based devcon next year
17:15:21*GodEater points to
17:15:29GodEater(regarding travel to the US)
17:15:37GodEatermade me laugh anyway
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17:17:27*petur remembers arriving in a big US airport and failing to find anybody speaking english to ask directions. no habla espaniol
17:17:43GodEaterpetur: which airport was that ? :)
17:18:06bluebrotherus −− isn't that the country that treats europeans like gangsters?
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17:18:30GodEaterI'll take a phrasebook if ever I go to Seattle then
17:18:34peturIt'd require I get a new passport
17:18:39GenjuroXLbluebrother: everyone, not only europeans
17:18:48krazykitbluebrother, silly youropeens. we americans are xenophobes
17:18:56*GodEater has already been fingerprinted and photographed by US immigration :(
17:19:09GenjuroXLi had to do some weird stuff back in 96
17:19:09bluebrotherpetur: too bad the meeting video is quite hard to understand because of the sound quality
17:19:12GenjuroXLfill out questionnaires
17:19:15krazykitthough i got away with being canadian in germany. saved a lot of grief
17:19:23GenjuroXL"are you planning to commit a crime while in the USA?"
17:19:31GenjuroXLwhoo, UPS just kicked in
17:19:33*bluebrother needs to get a new passport before these stupid germans start with that digital fingerprint thing
17:19:35GenjuroXLfucking thunderstorm
17:20:06bluebrother"are you planning to commit a crime" −− how stupid is that question?
17:20:09netmasta10btanyone speculate on the feasability of a active noise canceling plugin for those targets with mics?
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17:20:24GenjuroXLbluebrother: my thoughts exactly :)
17:20:30peturbluebrother: I know, but the intention was not to record it for archiving purpose. I just had this Idea to let my camera record and then saw it had flat batteries anyway
17:20:31GenjuroXLi was >< this close to writing "YES!!111"
17:20:39peturand it only does 8kHz mono sound
17:20:50krazykitGenjuroXL, and you'd never be seen again
17:21:01bluebrotherGenjuroXL: then they would have send you back for sure.
17:21:06peturGenjuroXL: don't, because they'll take your word for it and lock you up
17:21:07GenjuroXLkrazykit: we europeans don't hate you
17:21:10GenjuroXLjust your government
17:21:11bluebrotherpetur: it's nice to have the video around anyway
17:21:13GenjuroXLand your war on terror
17:21:15GenjuroXLand your war on drugs
17:21:33krazykitGenjuroXL, yeah. once we stated that we hated bush too, there was much rejoicing
17:21:45krazykitone guy said he liked bush, though.
17:21:51GenjuroXLwonder who will be the next tard after bush
17:21:57krazykithe was also the one that said to waiters, "ich bin gut"
17:22:10*bluebrother isn't keen on going to the US under any circumstance
17:22:11pearldiverstay on topic please
17:22:33peturdevcon2008 is a topic :p
17:22:34bluebrotherpeople and country might be nice, but ...
17:22:41GenjuroXLok, so you voted for bush, pearldiver :)
17:22:55krazykitregardless, getting into the us is a pain
17:23:02krazykiteven as a citizen :-/
17:23:18GenjuroXLit was bad enough in 96, can't imagine how bad it must be now
17:23:41pearldiverpolitics is a boring topic, that's all
17:24:04bluebrothershouldn't we first check where the interested people live?
17:24:26pearldiverno matter how long you talk about it, nothing changes
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17:26:08GodEaterbluebrother: it looked to me like a roughly 50/50 split between western europe and the US, with a smattering of other people from Australia.
17:26:28GodEaterI must take a closer look as Rasher's map :)
17:26:32 Part juxtap
17:27:22GodEaterhahaha - I like his google maps "Updated! will no longer crash your computer!"
17:28:04GodEaterwow - we have a dev living on a boat in the middle of the Indian Ocean
17:28:44markunI wonder why rashed added that guy
17:29:16GodEaterwell you add yourself don't you ? And he's got a disclaimer that says some people might add themselves as devs when they're not.
17:29:47peturimho, he should go over that dev list and clean out all non-devs, way too many blue icons
17:31:04GodEaterhmm - that's odd - I'm apparently a dev on that list, and I'm fairly certain I didn't add myself as one :(
17:31:28desowincan anyone look at ? I'm testing this patch since it's available, and I can't find any side-effect, would be nice to have it in svn
17:31:36linuxstbpetur: Maybe he doesn't know all the devs - I'm pretty sure I don't...
17:31:57peturI'd at least restrict to the CREDITS list
17:32:09peturoh wait, maybe that list is so big
17:32:37linuxstbAnd is "contributors" rather than strictly just developers./
17:32:46Gursikhi/j ##mediation
17:33:19peturbut I agree we could use a list of devs (with commit access)
17:33:41GodEateroh, I think I'm in the contributors list
17:33:50GodEateror CREDITS file or whatever
17:35:10amiconnpetur: 8kHz audio seems to be common for video on digitall still image cameras
17:35:33*amiconn 's camera does the same
17:35:45peturif the remote works :p
17:36:08amiconnIt does, if you know that you need to enable the option :P
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17:56:13a1titudeHi, when is the 80gb out of testing, I would like to try it but I'm a little confused on what to patch with the ipod55g-4.diff file, and how to do it.
17:56:58markunamiconn: do you have a build for a1titude to try?
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18:00:06Arathisanyone tried midi playback on an h10?
18:00:28linuxstbaustriancoder: hello
18:02:57Arathismidi is much too fast on my h10 and I get a mass of "Buffer miss!" errors
18:02:58bluebrotheraustriancoder: ipod mini is red.
18:03:21austriancoderlinuxstb: I dont want to get rid of the mas35xx files.. becuase I will fill them in following commits with some parts of the audiohw_api... e.g. audiohw_set_bass
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18:05:59linuxstbaustriancoder: I was only talking about the mas35xx.h file. But my main question was about #including audiohw.h in the codec-specific .h files. Could you do it the other way around (i.e. include the codec .h file from audiohw.h) ? That way, the higher-level parts of the code would only ever need to include audiohw.h.
18:06:28austriancoderlinuxstb: after i have fixed the reds :)
18:06:41linuxstbYou've committed already?
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18:10:45bluebrotherhmm, do we have a specific policy about (c) adding to files?
18:11:18markunbluebrother: we had some talk about it a while ago. What do you want to know?
18:11:37bluebrotherI was just wondering looking at the diff of sound.c
18:11:44Arathisbarrywardell: ever tried midi playback on your h10?
18:12:00barrywardellno, I haven't
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18:13:04bluebrotheraustriancoder: btw, why don't you just return foo(); in those sound_set_fn cases?
18:13:56linuxstbbluebrother: I've never seen a written policy, but generally the initial author of the file stays the sole copyright holder. SVN logs tell the rest of the story.
18:14:13austriancoderbluebrother: dont know...
18:14:31Cassandraamicon: Does the 5.5G patch still need testing on other 5G models?
18:15:18bluebrotherhmm, maybe we should have a written policy or guidelines for that.
18:15:55Cassandrabluebrother, I suspect in practice copyright is assigned to the project.
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18:16:26linuxstbCassandra: AFAIK, it can't - there isn't any legal entity called Rockbox.
18:16:43CassandraWell, yes.
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18:16:58CassandraDaniel is currently looking into fixing that.
18:18:26linuxstbAlthough that wouldn't really deal with the copyright issues - we can't force every contributor to sign over copyright in their code, just to license it under the GPL.
18:18:49major_worksMikeS: Are you about?
18:18:55CassandraWe couldn't even track down every contributor, I suspect.
18:19:13CassandraAt least one is dead, of course.
18:19:30a1titudeyeiks that sounds bad
18:19:30linuxstbYes. historical code would be impossible. It would be same problem as if we ever wanted to change licenses.
18:20:21major_worksWould anyone know if the e200 changes that were just committed obviate the need for FS #6908?
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18:21:36markunlinuxstb: what about copyright rules of different countries. I believe that in germany you cannot sell or give away your 'urheberrecht'
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18:22:34CassandraI'm pretty sure the Linux kernel managed to get around all of these issues.
18:22:38CassandraBut I forget how.
18:22:55markunCassandra: something to put on your todo list then :)
18:22:59a1titudeahh, iTunes won't load, just gets a error report everytime I try 2 start it! haha, the sooner I go to rockbox the better! lol
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18:23:29markuna1titude: you are aware that rockbox "sounds like a bag of shit", right?
18:23:57desowinGolden Quotes are best
18:24:00bluebrotherin germany there is a company which owns (at least some) rights on "rockbox"
18:24:02markunit's true, let me look up a link
18:24:18*Cassandra still wants a "bag of shit" plush toy with the Rockbox logo on it, like we discussed at Devcon.
18:24:30Cassandra(That didn't make it into the official minutes for some reason.)
18:24:41*bluebrother likes that idea :)
18:25:34linuxstbmarkun: I wasn't aware of that - so another argument against assigning copyright to "Rockbox"...
18:25:36markunCassandra: we will have to send one to this guy
18:27:38markunlinuxstb: well, I wouldn't mind it really
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18:28:35*austriancoder has fixed everything -> no red builds :)
18:28:44CassandraAFAIK, no-one has actually re-assigned any copyrights.
18:29:02linuxstbmarkun: I'm not 100% sure what assigning copyright to someone else implies, but would expect that I would no longer be free to use that code myself (apart from under the license the other party chooses).
18:29:05a1titudeI have to restart my computer in attempt to get itunes back. lol bye
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18:29:14CassandraCertainly under UK law the copyright statement at the top of the file isn't legally binding.
18:29:28amiconnaustriancoder: But red deltas, especially on archos :(
18:29:31CassandraWhat would anyone want to do that?
18:30:22austriancoderamiconn: I hope to get green deltas with following commits
18:32:08pixelmabtw... was it tested on any Archos?
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18:32:56markunI didn't expect the binary size to be any bigger
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18:36:04major_worksjhMikeS: Did the e200 changes you made earlier eliminate the need for FS #6908?
18:38:30jhMikeSmajor_works: umm...lemme check :)
18:38:37a1titudewith the 80gb ipod do I use the normal ipodpatcher.exe or do I need a modified one?
18:39:11jhMikeSmajor_works: yes, it really should
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18:39:36n1sa1titude: you need a modified bootloader but can use regular patcher afaik
18:40:14major_worksjhMikeS: OK, bear with me as I'm not too code-savvy...
18:40:17*n1s curse the combination of 64 bit linux and realplayer video
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18:40:36major_worksSo I should be able to compile a new build with updated SVN and omit that patch?
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18:41:03jhMikeSmajor_works: clean build, no patch needed
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18:41:25major_worksjhMikeS: Cool... I'll give it a try and let you know. OK?
18:41:38JetonjhMikeS: looks like Toni found the reason for the static?
18:41:58jhMikeSmajor_works: unless all the e200 have entirely different hw it should :)
18:42:12major_worksI hear you. Thanks!
18:42:13jhMikeSJeton: that's what I was talking about the other day
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18:42:41Jetonso what's muting linein1?
18:43:01Jetoni'm not familiar with patching and compiling :(
18:43:12jhMikeSJeton: the mute was taken off linein1 to facilitate fm radio experimentation :\
18:43:48jhMikeSimho, it should be part of the fm radio patch but oh well
18:44:29Jetonso the static will be gone now, with newest build? or until the radio patch is added it will still be there ?
18:47:10amiconnCassandra: I would like to see the patch tested some more. Especially I would like to see a speed comparison patched vs. unpatched on a non-80GB video
18:47:49amiconnI am about to extend test_disk for this, to not only measure large-block read/write speed (which will be almost unaffected), but also file create/open/delete performance
18:48:07CassandraOK. Let me know when you're done then.
18:48:11*amiconn recommends Cassandra using tab completion on nicknames
18:48:26amiconnI didn't spot your question because you missed an 'n'
18:48:54jhMikeSJeton: I haven't touched that as I didn't add it but ... hmmm
18:49:30CassandraYeah. I forget sometimes.
18:49:39*jhMikeS should comment it out so zivan56 can just have the patch change it
18:49:40CassandraWhat does your nickname come from anyway?
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18:50:58amiconnIt's a combination of syllables referring both to the Amiga and Star Trek
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18:55:24a1titudewhat has the iPod 80GB patch been tested on already?
18:55:45preglowi thought people had enough sense to stop using bx by now
18:56:13Cassandrapreglow, never underestimate people's abililty to lack good sense.
18:56:54*preglow huggles irssi
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18:58:45*markun too
19:00:04bluebrotherspeaking of irssi: can someone point me to the docs how I get irssi to kill my ghost on reconnects?
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19:00:47major_worksjhMikeS: OK... so does this newest change break the radio patch?
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19:03:54jhMikeSmajor_works: the one I just did will but you can just take the #if 0/#endif out
19:04:52major_worksjhMikeS: OK, that's what I'll do. Hopefully, Zivan56 will note the change and do the Line1 muting on his end.
19:05:21major_worksOr I may omit the radio temporarily. I get a weird heterodyne all the time anyway.
19:05:23jhMikeSI don't doubt it'll be updated...not much to do really :)
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19:06:11major_worksAnd I can't get his presets to save for some reason. Probably operator error on my end.
19:08:03jhMikeSI can't see why it should matter but I haven't looked at that in detail so I don't know
19:08:43major_worksNo problem... thanks for all your help, Mike. Keep up the great work!
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19:11:06daniel2024jhMikeS is Mike Sevakis?
19:12:55daniel2024Mike −− thanks for all the work you've done with the e200 −− it's coming along nicely, and I'm loving my sansa player
19:14:06jhMikeSthank Toni1 too, his emulator is a huge help with this stuff
19:15:36daniel2024thank you Toni1 (and everyone else)
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19:25:49major_worksaustriancoder: For me, your FS #7138 is causing compiler errors in sound.h
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19:39:04BRi7Xtrahello,, I have this rockbox installed here on a gigabeat f.. I was in class and had a few minutes to kill and I changed the theme. now my screen is completely blacked out. any suggestions?
19:39:27toffe82bad theme
19:39:54BRi7Xtracould you help me "de-suck" it?
19:40:24BRi7Xtrai posted on the forum, one sec... i'll pull up the post
19:40:31toffe82you can reset the setting when you press A when booting if I remember, markun can confirm
19:40:43BRi7Xtraso pressing a?
19:40:45BRi7Xtrahold on
19:41:14BRi7Xtrathank you so much, you've saved the day
19:41:37BRi7Xtrai shall remember that from now on, i just have to remember what theme screwed me up
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19:52:48BRi7Xtraanother question for the gigabeat f though, the date doesn't display properly in the theme i use (rockamp)... it says...
19:53:03BRi7Xtra"May dc, 1:MPc"
19:53:22Nico_PBRi7Xtra: that's because the format for the RTC tags has changed
19:53:46BRi7XtraI have to go now, my class is changing, I'll be back when I get home... until then...
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20:04:01a1titudewhat capasity is the 80gb ipod battery for the setting in rockbox?
20:04:29scorchedont worry about that setting
20:04:42a1titudeok thanks
20:05:30case_hi there
20:06:07case_i know it's slightly off topic, but has anyone used rythmbox with a Sansa e260 ?
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20:20:00a1tituderockbox on the 80 works amazing... just I can't seem to change the wps! haha :p My fault probably... lol
20:20:09perldiverso 80gb ipods are good to go as of now?
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20:21:01]RowaN[ah, update.mi4, at least for the 1.03.01H beta firmware i had on there
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20:31:46case_anyone know if any of the softwares available for linux to manage ipod or other portable players work for the Sansa e260 ?
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20:33:01motshi, i just found my h340's accu-cable again and started charging it
20:33:12motsbut the display doesn't seem to work
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20:33:56motsi can turn the device on, and hear the hdd spinning (i can even mount it as external hdd), but i don't seem to get any other life signs
20:33:59motsany ideas?
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20:35:12thegeekcharge it some more?
20:35:47motsso it may be an accu-problem?
20:36:19mots(the accu never was that empty before and i don't want to lose that quite expensive device)
20:36:26motsno idea how to call it
20:37:03a1titudeso, well now to get my libary into a nice, friendly vorbis format! :p Rockbox rocks! lol
20:37:05motsare rechargable batterys still called battery in english?
20:37:42thegeeka battery is a battery
20:37:59linuxstbperldiver: 80GB ipod support only exists as a patch at the moment - it isn't in SVN yet.
20:38:12thegeekI want to test it on my 80gb
20:38:17motswell, in my native languuage, the term battery is incorrect for rechargable mobile power sources
20:38:18thegeekbut I neeeed to study for my exam tomorrow
20:38:23thegeekmots: I see;P
20:38:33thegeekbut yeah
20:38:40thegeekIf you just started charging it
20:38:43thegeekand it was completely dead
20:38:50thegeekI would let it charge for some time
20:40:30linuxstbamiconn: Is it worth me testing your 80GB patch now, or should I wait for the updated test_disk?
20:40:35motswell, g2g
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20:42:07DerPapstlinuxstb: should i test a VBR mp3 too regarding the MPA patches?
20:43:16linuxstbDerPapst: It would be interesting, but your test has already answered the question - that we need to keep that code in IRAM on the PP5002, but we can remove it from the PP502x.
20:43:34linuxstbSo only if you're bored...
20:44:03DerPapstwell.. not too much ;)
20:44:59amiconnlinuxstb: I am working on test_disk right now
20:45:10linuxstbBTW, I'm working on ipodpatcher at the moment - any requests? I'm removing the check for the MBR magic, replacing it by a check that the first partition is type 0 (empty) and the second is type 0xb (or HFS for a macpod).
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20:45:36linuxstbamiconn: Perfect - I'll carry on with ipodpatcher and the bootloaders, so they're ready to release when your patch is.
20:45:46DerPapstlinuxstb: any idea how to get mpegplayer to compile again if that code runs in iram too?
20:45:52a1titudeWhy does rockbox use the emergency disk mode?
20:45:59amiconnSome random but maybe interesting values from a test_disk run on archos recorder: Create: 12 files/s, Open: 16 files/s, Dirscan: 1026 files/s, Delete: 67 files/s
20:46:03DerPapstno usb driver?
20:46:06a1titude*(on the ipod)
20:46:13linuxstbDerPapst: On which target?
20:46:23a1titudethe ipod
20:46:25DerPapst3G iPod
20:46:31amiconnYou see, the fat driver is indeed not really fast when it comes to actual file operations
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20:46:58amiconnBtw, the speed test part of test_disk is much inspired by the AMiga program "DiskSpeed"
20:47:34DerPapsta1titude: rockbox has no usb driver for the iPod. so if you want to sync your ipod you either have to use diskmode or the OF
20:47:50linuxstbDerPapst: We just need to disable those IRAM optimisations for mpegplayer - the build system now compiles libmad separately for the main codec and mpegplayer, so that's straightforward.
20:48:14a1titudeDerPapst: ahh, thanks
20:49:22DerPapstlinuxstb: so moving mpegplayer out of iram means that it runs even slower than it does already now on 3Gs?
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20:53:34linuxstbDerPapst: Yes... But mpegplayer isn't really suited for greyscale LCDs - it should eventually get replaced by a port of the greyscale video player in Rockbox.
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20:54:57DerPapstlinuxstb: ok
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20:58:51patrick__I installed rockbox on my 30GB iPod Photo about an hour ago, and so far it seems to work rather nice....I only have one question that I hope can be sorted out here
21:00:39patrick__my question pertains to the themes available for download. I have tried several themes, but I will just use Ajant Blue as an example. After installing the theme, disconnecting the iPod and then choosing the theme in doesnt come out looking anything like the screenshot
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21:01:14linuxstbpatrick__: The theme is probably out of date - the theme parser became more strict recently, and not all themes are compliant.
21:01:14patrick__after fiddling around, I believe it has something to do with the wps folder, but I can't seem to dig up any explanation for it
21:01:31patrick__that would make sense
21:01:58linuxstbSomeone else mentioned a problem with Ajant Blue last week.
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21:03:03amiconnpatrick__: Another possible problem is that you might not have installed the font pack
21:03:06patrick__so there's probably not much that can be done aside from waiting for the themes author to update it
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21:04:12patrick__amiconn: I installed the fonts from the zip I downloaded from rockboxes website
21:04:52amiconnJust wanted to make sure... it's a common mistake
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21:05:03patrick__though it seems several themes come with empty font folders
21:05:24patrick__np, all solutions are welcome ^^
21:05:34pixelmathe Ajant theme has quite a lot of code errors - I tried to help the guy last weak and found at least 2 of them but it still didn't work for him, so he dropped it
21:06:19patrick__are there any graphical themes you know of that I might attempt to get working on the latest build of rockbox?
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21:07:43godzirra Anyone else use cover art aggregator and have problems with it just randomly stop working?
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21:08:12godzirraas in, its retrieving a cover, and it just sits there with its wheels spinning?
21:08:43chrisjs169Bagder - I think my build server's working now
21:09:34chrisjs169Builds are compiling now
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21:18:42patrick__aha, found a nice theme that works (JBlackGlass)
21:19:22patrick__now I can have slick looks with all my .ogg files ^^
21:19:44patrick__I'm really glad I decided to give rockbox a go
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21:22:33perldiveri already asked but im going to ask again, does anyone know what happened to the BlackGlass theme for the gigabeat?
21:23:15DerPapstmaybe it got deleted due to copyright violation
21:23:32DerPapstdid it show the windoes logo or any other logos?
21:23:35linihey guys
21:23:51liniit says that i have to talk to the staff in #rockbox
21:23:58liniabout write wiki rights
21:24:14perldiverDerPapst well all other BlackGlasse's stayed
21:24:24linuxstbperldiver: Check the history of the page - if it was removed by Cassandra within the last few days, then it was most likely a copyright issue.
21:24:42perldiverlinuxstb again, all other BlackGlasses ports stayed
21:25:10linuxstbperldiver: Was it removed by Cassandra in the last few days?
21:25:35perldiverlinuxstb the thing is, it never was on the wiki page, only rockbox-themes one
21:25:57linuxstbAh, so you're asking why it was removed from
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21:26:35perldiverit sort of dissappeared and yes, i wonder why
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21:28:11linuxstbperldiver: BlackGlass is still on
21:28:38perldiver*goes to check again*
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21:29:21perldiveri swear it wasnt there yesterday
21:29:35linuxstbMaybe the site was being reorganised or something...
21:30:54*DerPapst thinks there some pretty ugly wps'es availabe...
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21:33:14*n1s discovers ctrl-shift-T in firefox... :-)
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21:34:13DerPapstiGoogle? ftw?
21:34:51DerPapstwhy does everyone put an "i" inform of their app/product?
21:35:23DerPapsthey i think we should rename RockBox to "iRockBox" ... duh
21:35:27n1sbecause it's cool!11!!!11!
21:35:37n1siBOX of course...
21:36:09markunDerPapst: what's iGoogle?
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21:37:16markunnever mind, I found it
21:37:56perldiveri jClix is still the most original WPS
21:38:28perldiveri tried it on gigabeat with the rotation patch
21:38:43perldiverits quite impressive
21:39:08DerPapstrotation patch?
21:39:33perldiverphkTAPE WPS is fun too
21:39:53perldiverDerPapst yes, there's a rotation patch for gigabeat that lets you use it in the landscape mode
21:41:04DerPapstah.. that kind of rotation :)
21:41:25perldivermarkun you should try the resume patch
21:41:50markunis it a patch to the flash?
21:41:53perldiverthe player boots in 1,5 seconds with it
21:42:11markunthat's really good!
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21:42:48perldiveri dont think its flash
21:42:58perldiversome sort of "boot ram" rather
21:43:10markunit's flash
21:43:25perldiverah ok
21:43:26markunhm, maybe I should first check it out :)
21:43:32markunbefore I make a fool of myself :)
21:43:40pixelmaDerPapst: are you from eastern germany?
21:43:47perldiveri think the author describes it on FS
21:44:06perldivermarkun also now you dont have to press power to restart
21:44:17perldiveryou can restart from debug
21:44:32perldiverand it remember the last orientation used if you use the rotation patch for example
21:44:35perldiverquite handy
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21:45:07perldiverand of course you can switch orientations without actually turning the player off
21:45:14perldiverso all in all its great
21:45:26DerPapstpixelma: berlin ;)
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21:46:56pixelmaDerPapst: maybe have a look at the Mixtape theme for IpodVideo then (on if that tells you something ;)
21:47:14patrick__could someone point me in the right direction to get album art showing on rockbox? (the theme I'm using supports it)
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21:48:06n1spatrick__: you need an unofficial patched build, look in the unsupported build ssection of the forum
21:48:45markunperldiver: you were right, you don't need to change the flash bootloader
21:49:20pixelmapatrick__: you should have a look at the AlbumArt wiki page too
21:49:23patrick__n1s: I'm using the prebuilt rockbox-jbuild, is that it or is it something specific to album art I should look for?
21:49:54godzirraSo I need to figure out what cool new stuff rockbox has added over the past 6-9 months. I've not had a chance to use it since then.
21:50:16DerPapstpixelma: do you mean the manufacturer of the tape?
21:50:17Bagderquite a few things have happened during that period
21:50:25perldivermarkun good :P
21:50:37godzirraBagder: like what?
21:50:49markunperldiver: maybe I can start to commit small parts of that patch
21:50:54n1spatrick__: well, if it has the album art patch applied it should work, but as pixelma said look at that wiki page, and search the forums, we cannot support these builds
21:51:04godzirraBagder: thanks
21:51:21XavierGrjessh just updating the ondio build on the player itself takes ages to be copied
21:51:29patrick__alright thanks, glancing over the album art wiki now
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21:52:06pixelmaDerPapst: sure
21:52:08godzirraFYI, the newest installer of the bootloader, is freaking awesome.
21:52:19godzirraI ran it on windows, and its sooo much less painful than it used to be.
21:52:55n1sgodzirra: linuxstb finally caved in after too many whining users ;-)
21:53:11Bagderhe sure is weak that guy
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21:54:26godzirraIts amazingly nie and simple.
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21:54:53DerPapstpixelma: ehh. then i guess i'm a but to young ;) (still born in the glory DDR but while listening to Traumzauberbaum & Co never checkt who produced the tabes)
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21:56:29*Bagder makes the buildmaster cleanup on the build server after build + transfer
21:56:43Bagdershould reduce the amount of necessary disk space
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21:58:34markunBagder: thanks :)
21:59:07Bagderand for the curious minds, I'll also commit the script
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22:02:33XavierGramiconn: do you remember the combo to start my ondio from disk and not from flash?
22:02:50amiconnLeft while power on
22:03:13amiconnBut why not just rolo the new build? Did you mess up the flashed version?
22:04:05XavierGrI just upgraded to a new build, but I get that plugins are incompatible, so I assume that the player boots from flash and can't find the compatible plugins which were replaced by the new ones
22:04:37amiconnA simple rolo should fix that, followed by flashing the new .ucl afterwards
22:04:53XavierGrah yes
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22:05:17amiconnRockbox on archos always boots from flash by default if it's flashed, that's the whole point: faster boot
22:05:29XavierGryes that's what I thought
22:05:35XavierGrI just forgot about the rolo function
22:05:57towliebanif i use the database feature to load my itunes database, is it possible to play music that is drm crippled ?
22:06:16Bagdertowlieban: no
22:06:28Bagdernot with rockbox at least
22:06:37Bagderyou can still boot up in apple os and play those
22:06:45towliebanoh that sucks...
22:07:00Bagderyes, tell that to Apple
22:07:19towliebanwell if its true they might start selling drm free music soon
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22:10:58badsheepyyou could always buy music elsewhere :)
22:12:14*petur only buys on CD
22:12:31towliebanyep completely 100% drm free
22:12:38towliebancan be added to any mp3 player
22:12:53peturand keep the CD as backup ;)
22:13:16amiconnpetur: What about "copy protected" CDs?
22:13:22*amiconn avoids them by all means
22:13:26towliebantheres few of those
22:13:42robin0800and rip them in whatever format you want
22:13:45DerPapstthey can be ripped too.
22:13:52DerPapstlot of them.
22:13:57peturI copy protected CD's with CloneCD to a CDRW which then rips fine ;)
22:14:01towliebando those copy protected cds work on a mac as far as the copy protection goes
22:14:16amiconnI know, but then they ought to be avoided
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22:14:35peturmost labels stopped selling them anyway
22:15:37towliebanafter all that crap that sony got for their rootkit infected cds
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22:19:05zivan56hmm, I managed to implement the algorithm for the sansa fm tuner and now it tunes to receive perfect audio...but the frequency set has nothing to do with the actual frequency it tunes to
22:19:29krushhey guys! I wrote a plugin. Does somebody wants to help me to verify this one? What do I have to do to provide it to the rockbox-project?
22:19:44markunkrush: what kind of plugin did you write?
22:19:48krusha game
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22:20:40markunkrush: can you upload it to our patch tracker?
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22:20:56krushwhat do I have to do? how?
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22:21:29Gabriel10000hi, does anyone know where i can get the rockbox devkit by cyborg
22:21:33Gabriel10000the link seems to be broken
22:21:45Bagderwhy would you want that?
22:21:56Bagderit is outdates since a few years ago, iirc
22:22:21Gabriel10000o, is there any development kit that is more current i could use?
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22:22:45XavierGrexcept the monty pythons clip, is there any more rockbox devcon files we can view/listen?
22:23:21peturXavierGr: my pics are online too
22:23:26BagderXavierGr: the 10 minute meeting clip and pics
22:23:33peturbut no other movies / soundfiles
22:24:05towliebanare 30GB ipod videos supported by rockboz ?
22:24:18Bagdertowlieban: yes
22:24:25peturI can also post my scrobbler.log - my h380 was attached to the soundsystem most of the time (except at the end where Monty Python came) ;)
22:25:24amiconnFile creation on H300 is even slower than on archos recorder :|
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22:25:39XavierGrpetur: links please?
22:26:09XavierGror where I can find them?
22:26:16peturof the pics? the devcon2007 page
22:27:04XavierGr and the audio stream?
22:27:14peturwarning - features nudity ;)
22:27:30peturaudio stream?
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22:27:37markunsorry for all the red in the build table :(
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22:28:01Bagderlots of it
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22:28:10XavierGrgah I meant 10 minute clip, sorry
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22:28:28BagderXavierGr: for all videos
22:28:35Bagderall three
22:28:53XavierGrthank you
22:29:20*XavierGr sits back and enjoys the show
22:30:58*petur hands out some popcorn
22:32:48XavierGrtoo bad I cant understand most of it :\
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22:33:35peturit wasn't meant to be a log of the meeting, just give an idea how it went
22:34:02petursorry I picked a rather dull subject too
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22:35:14XavierGrno worries, it seems rather interesting, it is just that that audio quality is low and can't make what you are talking about in many parts
22:36:30DerPapstwhoo... the midi plugin misses its buffers ^^
22:36:52*pixelma should have kept her about 60min wav-file she recorded on her Ondio...
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22:37:25pixelmaafter the wavrecord plugin commit on saturday evening
22:37:45pixelmabut for some stupid reason I deleted it afterwards
22:37:48peturyou recorded through a mic?
22:37:59pixelmanah - just internal
22:38:07peturbut still...
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22:38:59*DerPapst is enjoying a lightshow...
22:39:13DerPapstsmall thunderstorm :)
22:39:33peturnot a faulty backlight driver?
22:39:48Nico_PBagder: putting the various www scripts in the SVN repos is a great idea :)
22:39:58Nico_Pmaybe someday I'll try to understand them
22:40:17Bagderat least people _can_ read them and help out with them now, if wanted
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22:40:46BagderI intend to put more (most?) of my web scripts there over time
22:40:59pixelmapetur: I deleted it because it wasn't really understandable in the beginning (especially when someone spoke who wasn't near enough) - but maybe there would've been useful parts
22:41:08XavierGrhaha petur and markun eating, but I have to say that the food seems to be low in quantity :P
22:41:09peturDerPapst: you made that... now?
22:41:27DerPapstpetur: yep. :)
22:41:39DerPapstnot now. about a week ago
22:42:02markunXavierGr: yes, but it was enough and very good
22:42:23*petur agrees
22:42:25XavierGryeah seems of high quality
22:42:28DerPapsttoghether with about 25 other pics containing a big black nothing.
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22:45:00DerPapstheh.. the midiplugin crashed my 'pod
22:45:06a1titudelong exposure solves that! :p
22:45:31a1titude*(the 25 black photos)
22:46:03DerPapsti think 16 seconds should do the trick
22:46:42a1titudedepending on the intensity of the storm, you would think so! :)
22:49:09Nico_PBagder: there's something about anonymous contributors I'm wondering about and that isn't mentioned in the wiki page: taking code from an anonymous contributor under one's responsability and committing it
22:49:52Bagderwe generally don't like that either
22:49:53Nico_Pdid you discuss that at devcon ? does the policy have something to say on that ?
22:50:15Bagderif the code piece/change is small, then we can consider it fair use
22:50:19XavierGrwell I don't see a problem if the anonymous contributor is ok with that
22:50:19bluebrotherpetur: did you post the devcon scrobbler file already (and me missed that?)
22:50:44BagderXavierGr: if we would be ok with that, we could just as well allow anonymous contributions
22:50:58peturI just asked if I should post the scrobbler log
22:51:01amiconnlinuxstb: I've just committed the extended test_disk stuff
22:51:09XavierGrwell some contributors don't like to just "dontae" the code under a different name
22:51:24bluebrotherI'd be interested in that playlist ;-)
22:51:30BagderXavierGr: yes, so we don't accept their code
22:51:53Nico_PBagder: then maybe adding something about it in the various pages about contributing would be good
22:51:57XavierGrBagder: ok but what about those that are willing to just pretend that the commiter coded it?
22:52:27BagderNico_P: that we should, yes
22:52:49BagderXavierGr: as I said, that too is not what we want
22:52:50*Nico_P is changing the FlySprayHowTo page
22:53:15XavierGrBagder: but that's what I understand from the wiki
22:53:25Bagderthen we should fix the wiki
22:53:32Bagderwhere does it say that?
22:53:32XavierGrthat adoptions are okay if the original author accepts it
22:53:37XavierGrhm let me see
22:54:10badsheepywhy dont you allow anonymous contributors anyhow?
22:54:28XavierGrah it was a suggestion on the Devcon wiki page
22:54:54*amiconn notices that the build table images now have width and height properties :)
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22:55:22Bagderyeah, but not for all pics on that page
22:55:38XavierGrBagder: under the agenda: real-name policy: find a way to deal with anonymous code (suggestion: by allowing a committer to adopt it if the writer accepts this)real-name policy: find a way to deal with anonymous code (suggestion: by allowing a committer to adopt it if the writer accepts this)real-name policy: find a way to deal with anonymous code (suggestion: by allowing a committer to adopt it if the writer accepts this)
22:55:46XavierGroops sorry about that :\
22:55:57Bagder"suggestion" being the keyword
22:56:04XavierGryeah I noticed that now
22:56:52Bagderand really, very many larger projects these days reject anonymous contributions
22:57:00Bagderso its not like we are unique or anything
22:57:16badsheepywhats the reasoning behind rejecting them
22:57:29badsheepyi dont see how it hurts anything?
22:57:31XavierGrwell again, I thought that the problem arised with people that did want to take credit
22:58:03Bagderbadsheepy: two reasons: we want the project to be by real people with real names
22:58:15XavierGrbut if the commiter adopts it as his code then there is no anonymosity
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22:58:18Bagderand there's possibly a legal angle to it, but that is the lesser reason
22:58:27BagderXavierGr: yes there is
22:58:42XavierGrwell not practically at least
22:58:58Bagderwe loop the discussion now
22:59:22XavierGrbut okay I won't argue about it, I just think it would be a shame when some really usefull snippet is rejected
22:59:43Bagderwell, that's very rare
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23:00:43peturXavierGr: petur/devcon2007/devcon_scrobbler.log"> (many songs are from recordings of belgian bands I made and wanted to share with the others
23:00:46badsheepyperhaps made rarer by the unwillingness of people who want to remain anonymous to do anything when they know it wont be accepted?
23:01:01Bagderof course
23:01:31bluebrotherXavierGr: have you watched the google video "How to protect your open source project from poisonous people"?
23:01:40bluebrotherthey also talk a bit about the contribution issue
23:01:46XavierGrBagder: well I guess that if someone doesn't want credit then he could simply make up a fake name...
23:01:50bluebrotherbesides, it's quite interesting anyway
23:02:00XavierGrbluebrother: no I will have a look
23:02:04bluebrothera link was posted a couple of days ago
23:02:19XavierGrpetur: thanks
23:02:36amiconnouch... file write speed with 512 byte chunks is indeed s-l-o-w on 80GB/G5.5 with the simple write through cache
23:02:59linuxstbamiconn: I'm just about to test now...
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23:05:48amiconnHmm, dircache speeds up file opening a lot (roughly 15x on H340), but slows down file creation and deletion by ~15%
23:07:10linuxstbWith SVN at 30MHz, Create: 22 files/s, Open: 39 files/s, Dirscan: 4472 files/s, Delete: 57 files/s, Create (512,A): 2857KB/s, Write (512,A): 3036 KB/s, Read (512,A): 1513 KB/s, Create (512,U): 2868 KB/s, Write (512,U): 3034 KB/s, Read (512,U): 1555 KB/s, Create (4096,A): 4762 KB/s, Write (4096,A): 5060 KB/s, Read (4096,A): 2129 KB/s, Create (4096,U): 4758 KB/s, Write (4096,U): 5056 KB/s, Read (4096,U): 2109 KB/s, ....
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23:07:21linuxstbamiconn: How many tests are there? ;)
23:08:39amiconn4 tests for directory manipulation, and file create/write/read for 3 different block sizes, aligned and unaligned
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23:08:43linuxstb1MB,A: C=5160, W=5479, R=2192. 1MB,U: C=5145, W=5485, R=2177
23:09:08amiconnYou could just put up the log file somewhere...
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23:09:22linuxstbNow you tell me there's a log file ;)
23:09:35amiconnThe commit msg states that...
23:09:51linuxstbI didn't read it - I just saw your msg to me...
23:10:11preglowhmm, using 32 bit l/r iis transfers might be cool on ipods too
23:10:34linuxstbamiconn: Does the log file get overwritten?
23:10:51amiconnIt uses create_numbered_filename()
23:11:13linuxstbOK. Do you want the 75MHz version as well?
23:11:32amiconnA test with the patch applied would be more interesting
23:11:34linuxstbSo I'll do the same with your 80GB patch?
23:11:48*amiconn notices linuxstb has dircache disabled
23:12:25*linuxstb looks over his shoulder
23:15:17linuxstbFirst figures coming in... Create: 21 files/s, Open; 39 files/s Dirscan 4430 files/s, delete 48 files/s
23:17:35amiconnLooking good... there shouldn't be significant deviations from the first test
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23:20:22linuxstbamiconn: logfiles here - (and 02). 01 is SVN, 02 is with your patch.
23:21:27linuxstbAlmost no change in read speed, a small drop in write/create.
23:22:00amiconnLooking really good
23:22:38amiconnThe values are very similar to what I get on the G5.5/80, except for creating and writing in 512 byte blocks
23:22:41linuxstbBTW, this was ipod55g-4.diff, hopefully that's the latest.
23:23:00amiconnIt is, except for a missing sanity check in ata_init()
23:24:10amiconnThe write through cache seems to be too simple a solution :(
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23:26:22linuxstbamiconn: Do you need anything else from my ipod?
23:26:50amiconnNope. Thanks for testing :)
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23:27:25linuxstbYou're welcome. Are you planning to commit tonight?
23:28:06amiconnNot sure yet. I'll try a few more things regarding more compact and/or faster code
23:28:21amiconnFirst thing is a single sector cache instead of 2
23:28:41amiconnMaybe it's just constant seeking that hits performance here
23:29:13amiconn~2MB/sec on an "ordinary" video vs. 23KB/sec on the 80GB is a shame
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23:30:19amiconnAll these changes won't influence other targets or even other G5s
23:31:10amiconnYour test was for verifying that this statement holds, and that the additional condition checks don't hit performance too much
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23:43:25sgarrityipodcatcher is telling me "[ERR] No ipods found, aborting", though the iPod (4Gb iPod Nano) is mounted at /media/iPod - I'm using Fedora Core 6. Any ideas?
23:43:40sgarrityrunning as root doesn't change anything
23:43:58Bagdersgarrity: I think it wants it unmounted
23:44:16Bagderor am I possibly just tired?
23:44:16sgarrityBagder: ah! I'll try that
23:44:59LloreanI think it does need to be unmounted for linux users, yes
23:45:01sgarrityBagder: no, that didn't change anything
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23:45:21Lloreansgarrity: Have you ever: Repartitioned the Device, installed Linux, used another Filesystem on it?
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23:45:55sgarrityLlorean: it's a used device, so I can't be certain - but I don't think so
23:46:40n1ssgarrity: you could try to build ipodpatcher from svn, a fix for this was comitted today
23:46:49LloreanUnless they've uploaded the newest version of ipodpatcher, the current version looks for some magic information as part of determining if a device is an ipod
23:47:00LloreanAttempts at manually repartitioning it can destroy that information.
23:47:25sgarrityso trying the latest version from SVN is worth a shot?
23:47:29n1ssgarrity: also, your nano isn't second generation, is it?
23:47:37sgarrityn1s: I think so, yeah
23:48:25n1swell, rockbox does not support second gen nanos...
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23:48:46sgarrityit's a second gen Mini
23:49:03sgarrityoh, I see...
23:49:11LloreanMini and Nano are two different things.
23:49:13sgarritySorry for wasting your time - thanks for the help.
23:49:13n1sah, but second gen min will work
23:49:13Bagder2g mini should work fine
23:49:52sgarrityok, so I'm good.
23:50:15n1s how to identify your ipod
23:51:10sgarrityyeah, it's the iPod mini (4 GB Second Generation) - which seems to be supported
23:51:23n1syep, that is supported
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23:53:46sgarritydoes the ipodcatcher source live in the same repo as the rest of rockbox?
23:54:17linuxstbYes, under "rbutil/ipodpatcher/"
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23:56:41linuxstbLlorean: Apart from users getting just an Apple logo (and no errors) which I've fixed, do you know of any other ipod bootloader problems? When amiconn commits his 80GB patch to SVN, I'll take the opportunity to release a new set.
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23:58:36amiconnWow, the apple fw takes ages to boot
23:58:38Lloreanlinuxstb: It doesn't reboot to apple when Rockbox.ipod isn't present.
23:58:47LloreanI'm not sure if it's supposed to any more.
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23:58:53*amiconn first thought it hung
23:58:57linuxstbLlorean: Yes, so users know rockbox.ipod isn't present...

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