| 00:00:09 | Llorean | What ever happened with the people who had the bootloader freezing if USB was plugged in? |
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| 00:01:04 | linuxstb | I've never seen a report of that. |
| 00:01:35 | amiconn | linuxstb: Ah, the bootloader not unhiding the messages when something failed was a bug... |
| 00:01:57 | * | linuxstb looks away |
| 00:01:59 | * | amiconn got that when experimenting on the 80; flipping hold then unhid the messages |
| 00:02:12 | Llorean | I seem to recall some users having difficulty getting past the bootloader if USB was inserted, but I could be confused. |
| 00:02:16 | Llorean | I've never experienced it. |
| 00:02:38 | linuxstb | I've had problems with Rockbox itself freezing when USB is plugged in immediately. Maybe it's the same. |
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| 00:02:55 | Llorean | Possibly |
| 00:03:02 | Llorean | But those are the only issues I know of regarding the bootloader |
| 00:04:15 | sgarrity | building ipodcatcher from SVN did give me something: http://utils.eurion.net/pastebin/index.php?41780 (pastebin isn't working for me right now) |
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| 00:04:37 | sgarrity | but shouldn't that have given me the option to install? |
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| 00:04:59 | linuxstb | sgarrity: You need to follow the instructions at the top of the Makefile to compile ipodpatcher with the bootloaders |
| 00:05:22 | linuxstb | Or I could just upload a build for you... |
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| 00:06:01 | sgarrity | linuxstb: ah, yes - I'll try that. |
| 00:06:14 | linuxstb | If you want it - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher.gz |
| 00:06:49 | n1s | linuxstb: here's a report of bootloade rcrashing http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6844 |
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| 00:07:45 | sgarrity | linuxstb: Your build worked for me. Thank you. |
| 00:07:45 | linuxstb | n1s: That sounds like Rockbox itself crashing before updating the LCD - I can't think why/how the bootloader could crash, as it doesn't do anything with USB. |
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| 00:08:06 | linuxstb | sgarrity: You're welcome - thanks for testing ;) |
| 00:08:48 | elfeshurikn | hi everybody |
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| 00:09:15 | n1s | linuxstb: ah ok, I'll make the usual "Does this still happend?" comment and close it in two weeks then :-) |
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| 00:10:20 | elfeshurikn | I have some questions about the 5.5G ipod 80go |
| 00:10:33 | n1s | shoot |
| 00:10:35 | elfeshurikn | could someone help me ? |
| 00:10:40 | linuxstb | shoot |
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| 00:11:58 | amiconn | hmmmm.... |
| 00:12:00 | elfeshurikn | I path and compile rockbo, but I don't know how to put the bootloader |
| 00:12:17 | amiconn | Now there is a nasty problem with a write-back sector cache |
| 00:12:21 | linuxstb | Use ipodpatcher - run "ipodpatcher - bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod" |
| 00:12:31 | linuxstb | I meant "ipodpatcher -a bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod" |
| 00:12:46 | amiconn | What should the driver do when the delayed cache flush fails? |
| 00:12:58 | elfeshurikn | ok thks you |
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| 00:13:24 | amiconn | I mean, if it flushes during normal operation, i.e. when the cache is needed for a different sector, there is no problem |
| 00:13:47 | amiconn | But what if flushing the last dirty sector after a timeout fails? |
| 00:15:27 | sgarrity | I'm successfully running Rockbox - thanks for the help everyone. |
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| 00:15:49 | sgarrity | a final question: how do I reboot the iPod now that it does have rockbox installed? Select+Menu doesn't seem to do it. |
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| 00:16:08 | sgarrity | cancel that - it did do it. |
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| 00:16:17 | Llorean | Menu+Select still works, that's a hardware feature, but you shouldn't use it. |
| 00:16:31 | Llorean | It's like the Reset button on old PCs, not necessarily the best way to go about things. |
| 00:16:33 | sgarrity | is there a software way to rebott? |
| 00:16:36 | Llorean | Hold Play/Pause to shut down. |
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| 00:20:57 | amiconn | Hmm, write-back doesn' |
| 00:21:04 | amiconn | t help much either :( |
| 00:21:10 | sgarrity | is the throbber animation in RockBox from Firefox? |
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| 00:22:55 | Llorean | Throbber animation? |
| 00:23:09 | sgarrity | the circle of dots while paused |
| 00:23:28 | sgarrity | oh, I see it's the volume indicator too |
| 00:23:41 | Llorean | Ah, in a specific theme. |
| 00:24:43 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: ping |
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| 00:27:56 | Nico_P | Llorean: I assume he means in iCatcher |
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| 00:28:15 | sgarrity | Nico_P: Yeah, I didn't realize I wasn't using the default theme |
| 00:28:19 | Nico_P | I noticed it only a few days ago |
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| 00:59:50 | webguest16 | i have an iriver H10 6Gb can i have the link for this version of rockbox |
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| 01:00:21 | webguest16 | zxc |
| 01:00:21 | Llorean | webguest16: See the manual. |
| 01:00:23 | webguest16 | i have an iriver H10 6Gb can i have the link for this version of rockbox |
| 01:00:39 | webguest16 | ut theres only one for 5gb |
| 01:00:43 | Llorean | Please don't spam the channel with repeated requests, especially when you've been answered. |
| 01:00:45 | webguest16 | but* |
| 01:00:50 | markun | webguest16: and 20gb |
| 01:00:59 | webguest16 | but i have 6gb |
| 01:01:05 | Llorean | The 5gb and 6gb are the same hardware. |
| 01:01:10 | webguest16 | wut do i use for that? |
| 01:01:12 | webguest16 | ok |
| 01:01:34 | webguest16 | so i use the same as the 5gb |
| 01:01:39 | webguest16 | how? |
| 01:02:09 | webguest16 | how do i use |
| 01:02:09 | markun | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h10_5gb/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 |
| 01:02:10 | Llorean | See the manual. |
| 01:02:22 | webguest16 | THANKS!! |
| 01:02:26 | Llorean | Seriously, you need to read the manual before you install, so that you can be sure to do it right |
| 01:02:32 | webguest16 | is there any chance of bricking |
| 01:03:02 | webguest16 | and what version do i need? |
| 01:03:05 | Llorean | I believe that if you don't follow the directions correctly, you can leave your device in a state that's hard to recover from, but not bricked. |
| 01:03:14 | Llorean | What version of what? |
| 01:03:30 | webguest16 | firmware |
| 01:03:32 | markun | webguest16: just download the lastest version |
| 01:03:38 | markun | 'current build' |
| 01:03:50 | webguest16 | i meen REAL firmware |
| 01:04:06 | Llorean | Rockbox is "Real" |
| 01:04:16 | webguest16 | like from iriver |
| 01:04:23 | DerPapst | ^^ |
| 01:04:23 | Llorean | It is not imaginary. |
| 01:04:24 | Llorean | As for the firmware on your player, Rockbox doesn't care about that. |
| 01:04:36 | webguest16 | ok so i can do it on any firmware |
| 01:04:36 | Llorean | Rockbox is not a patch or modification of that firmware, it's its own software entirely |
| 01:04:57 | markun | Llorean: wow, that manual is pretty confusing |
| 01:05:15 | webguest16 | so i can do it on any iriver firmware that is made by iriver tho rite? |
| 01:05:33 | markun | Llorean: the part about the iriver bootloader which ends with "It is already installed on your player, so it is never necessary to modify this in order to install Rockbox" |
| 01:05:55 | webguest16 | ok im just used to hacking psps |
| 01:06:33 | webguest16 | were do i get the software? |
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| 01:06:47 | webguest16 | link me |
| 01:06:51 | markun | webguest16: the links are in the manual |
| 01:06:53 | DerPapst | webguest16: Llorean already told you. |
| 01:06:56 | Llorean | webguest16: Please, read the manual |
| 01:06:58 | webguest16 | were? |
| 01:07:10 | markun | webguest16: the link I gave you |
| 01:07:10 | Llorean | At the website? |
| 01:07:12 | DerPapst | "2 Installation" |
| 01:07:18 | webguest16 | ok thanks |
| 01:07:20 | Spikey818 | Hi guys, I have a question regarding Rockbox working with Headunits that are Ipod ready |
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| 01:07:48 | * | DerPapst wonders what a headunit is |
| 01:07:50 | Spikey818 | if I have a car head unit that is ipod read, will i still be able to control my ipod from the head unit's controls? |
| 01:08:02 | Spikey818 | a head unit is like the stereo unit for your car |
| 01:08:12 | Llorean | markun: Yes, perhaps the part about the flash bootloader could be clarified somewhat. |
| 01:08:16 | Spikey818 | for example, I have a pioneer DEH-780 |
| 01:08:24 | Llorean | Spikey818: No |
| 01:08:32 | Llorean | Rockbox does not support the Apple Accessory Protocol, which that would require |
| 01:08:36 | DerPapst | Spikey818: i guess that talks to the iPods serial |
| 01:08:45 | Spikey818 | yeah, i see |
| 01:08:53 | DerPapst | what Llorean says |
| 01:08:57 | Spikey818 | and there are no plugins available that you could use to support it? |
| 01:09:11 | Llorean | No. |
| 01:09:19 | Llorean | Nobody who has one has done the work. |
| 01:09:55 | Spikey818 | I would love to do the work but i know nothing about programming |
| 01:10:15 | Spikey818 | i wouldn't know where to start |
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| 01:10:36 | DerPapst | even if you can program.. you have to reserve engenier the protocol first |
| 01:10:43 | Overand | Llorean: does the serial interface itself work? |
| 01:11:05 | Llorean | Overand: Not in Rockbox, though I believe there's some code for it for earlier iPods from iPL that can be used as a starting point for those models. |
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| 01:11:11 | Overand | interesting |
| 01:11:28 | DerPapst | i know it works for some iPod at iPodLinux (3G only?) |
| 01:11:39 | amiconn | G3 and earlier afaik |
| 01:11:43 | Spikey818 | what works for ipodLinux |
| 01:11:47 | Overand | I don't have any iPod accessories - i should get my step-brother and his digital oscilloscope to start looking at it |
| 01:11:47 | Spikey818 | I got a G3 ipod |
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| 01:12:10 | Overand | well if there's code that supports it, it should be portable to rockbox, if it's not too spaghetti'd in |
| 01:12:13 | Spikey818 | so if I have a 3G ipod, I can use Rockbox with my Interface? |
| 01:12:18 | DerPapst | amiconn: right |
| 01:12:45 | DerPapst | Spikey818: that feature isn't included in rockbox. |
| 01:12:47 | Overand | Spikey818: you won't be able to use the interface with rockbox as rockbox stands |
| 01:13:12 | Overand | personally, if i were you, i'd go the rockbox route vs. the iPL route - head unit controls are nice, but I use rockbox on my iPod in the car all the time |
| 01:13:29 | Overand | of course my head unit has a line in - i don't know if you'd be able to use the *audio* part of that interface |
| 01:13:37 | DerPapst | Spikey818: and you still have to reserve engineer it though |
| 01:16:51 | DerPapst | good night everyone. |
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| 01:17:41 | amiconn | hrrrrrrm |
| 01:17:51 | Spikey818 | That's alright I guess...I have 2 ipods anyways |
| 01:18:04 | Spikey818 | There is a firmware for the 3G Ipod right? |
| 01:18:24 | Spikey818 | I got the $40gb that costed $500 when it was released |
| 01:18:48 | Overand | I know there's firmware for the 3G, I don't know how well it works |
| 01:18:53 | Overand | the regulars here would know better than me |
| 01:19:00 | Overand | I've got a 5G (60 gig video) and it works *very* well. |
| 01:19:15 | Overand | I don't use it in 'ipod' mode except for a few DRMd videos I paid for on iTunes, and for faster file transfers |
| 01:19:26 | n1s | Spikey818: rockbox for the 3G is in a pretty undeveloped state and cannot play regular mp3s realtime yet |
| 01:19:45 | n1s | flac and maybe wv lossless should work though |
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| 01:20:57 | Llorean | I thought it could play some MP3s realtime, depending on bitrate |
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| 01:21:23 | zivan56 | new sansa tuner patch is up, this should greatly improve sound quality and properly center on the stations (or very close to it)... |
| 01:22:01 | n1s | Llorean: maybe the lower bitrates play, also tomal posted some patch that could help speed it up if it gets comitted... |
| 01:22:20 | Llorean | n1s: Some work still needs to be done on that to keep it from breaking mpegplayer, I believe |
| 01:23:26 | n1s | ah, yeah, I didn't look into the details (as I don't have a target that it will affect and about 20 mp3s totally) :-) |
| 01:23:55 | Llorean | I really need to try the iFP port at some point, and see just how little it runs. |
| 01:24:05 | * | Llorean would like to test_codec on it, just to see |
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| 01:26:23 | jhMikeS | austriancoder: gnip |
| 01:26:40 | a1titude | A quick question about the 80GB ipod patch, My prefered codec choice is vorbis, but I was wondering if rockbox with the patch is useable for general use before its realeased into the svn, or should I wait for it to be final before useing rockbox? |
| 01:26:54 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: I already got it my self :) audiohw_caps.h |
| 01:28:34 | jhMikeS | that can work but what about two targets using the same audio hw but different crystals? they won't nescessarily have the same samplerates available. |
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| 01:30:00 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: I use audiohw_caps.h at the moment only to see if chip can do bass and treble in hardware... nothing connected with samplerates |
| 01:30:04 | n1s | a1titude: the patch has some bugs and amiconn is working on it, use it if you wish but it _could_ potentially wreck your filesystem... |
| 01:30:22 | Spikey818 | thanks n1s |
| 01:30:32 | Spikey818 | sorry, i'm at work right now, that's why my attention was away |
| 01:30:37 | jhMikeS | austiancoder: that makes sense when something is strictly stuck to the codec chip, yes |
| 01:30:37 | Spikey818 | brb |
| 01:31:07 | a1titude | n1s: thanks thats the answer I was looking for... I'll hold fire for now then! |
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| 01:31:49 | jhMikeS | I'm think about how to properly handle the as3514 which covers a lot of ground that normally multiple chips cover and it's sort of being handled as if it were all separated. |
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| 01:33:46 | zivan56 | FYI you can set LINE_IN1_R/L to 0x30 in the init and you shouldn't have buzzing, but it is more than enough for radio |
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| 01:35:38 | linuxstb | Llorean: DerPapst did some tests with tomal's mp3 patch on the 3g - with the patch applied, a 192kbps MP3 file plays at 154% realtime - which I think should be more than enough for smooth playback. The same mp3 was 118% without the patch. |
| 01:36:42 | a1titude | oh yeah, btw: why is there a recording option in the rockbox menu in the 80GB ipod? |
| 01:37:35 | Llorean | linuxstb: Yeah, 154% realtime is about what some of my MP3s tested on my Nano, if I recall |
| 01:37:50 | Llorean | a1titude: Because it should be able to record from the line in on the dock? |
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| 01:43:02 | DerPapst | Llorean: you're sure 5G iPods can record through line in? |
| 01:43:12 | a1titude | Llorean: ahh, I didn't know the dock did that, I've never seen one. |
| 01:43:19 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Yes, I've done it. |
| 01:43:19 | Llorean | I said "should be able to" not "can" |
| 01:43:27 | * | Llorean wasn't sure |
| 01:43:41 | DerPapst | ohh.. |
| 01:43:51 | markun | austriancoder: is there a reason for having 'extern' before the audiohw_* function definitions? |
| 01:43:52 | DerPapst | seems like i missed that feature :D |
| 01:44:05 | * | DerPapst has no doc :( |
| 01:44:09 | DerPapst | *dock |
| 01:44:28 | austriancoder | markun: i will check this before commiting... and next part takes some time to code |
| 01:45:24 | Llorean | DerPapst: Well, I think generally it's just done by custom adapter for the dock port |
| 01:45:24 | Llorean | I actually don't think the "real" dock has a line in |
| 01:45:59 | DerPapst | yep.. looking at the pinout on the iPL wiki |
| 01:47:17 | linuxstb | DerPapst: The ipod recording code still needs more work though - not all features are implemented (e.g. gain control) and playback doesn't work after recording. So if you're looking for something to do.... |
| 01:47:20 | jhMikeS | zivan56: enabling/disabling those line will be done through the input muxing anyway so if radio is off, the lines will be muted as it should |
| 01:49:14 | jhMikeS | at least as soon as recording get put in anyway |
| 01:49:14 | DerPapst | linuxstb: you're overestimating my coding skills a tiny bit ;) |
| 01:50:35 | zivan56 | jhMikeS: ok, for now I just removed the if 0 from the patch |
| 01:50:42 | zivan56 | I mean svn |
| 01:50:52 | austriancoder | zivan56: is okay |
| 01:50:52 | DerPapst | anyways.. good night at all (this time for real ;) ) |
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| 01:52:58 | zivan56 | overall, this radio is annoying, the only reason it was chosen was probably due to its size, since half of it is software based |
| 01:53:36 | zivan56 | and it only has 2-3 readable registers, and 20 or so write only ones |
| 01:55:24 | markun | austriancoder: when will you start on GSoC? |
| 01:55:34 | austriancoder | thursday |
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| 01:59:22 | markun | austriancoder: which player(s) do you have? petur made some progress with USB on his H380 |
| 01:59:47 | austriancoder | markun: sansa and access to a x5 |
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| 02:00:03 | linuxstb | austriancoder: Will your focus be USB host mode, or disk mode? |
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| 02:01:07 | austriancoder | linuxstb: first goal is to get usb device working.. in general it should be an easy to extand usb stack.. so that usb host should be possible |
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| 02:12:42 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: up for checking the 16-16 pair FIFO writes on any iPods? I'd love to get rid of the shifting from the FIQ for all those. |
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| 02:16:00 | kkurbjun | is it typical for flash memory to require a sector erase before programming data? |
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| 02:18:45 | saratoga | austriancoder: you're working on the Sansa primarily for your GSOC project? |
| 02:19:13 | austriancoder | saratoga: yes |
| 02:19:34 | saratoga | good, i get mine in a few days, and I'm looking forward to having USB :) |
| 02:22:15 | Llorean | The Sansa's just about at the same level as iPods now for usability, I think. |
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| 02:23:59 | * | jhMikeS hopes to surpass that in short (in pp time) order :) |
| 02:24:09 | jurrie_ | Llorean: any idea what the leading cause of "screen meltdown" is on the Sansa? Happens quite a bit while playing plugin games... is it the plugins, the utility APIs, the core "os", or the device drivers? Just seeing where I can start to pitch in. |
| 02:24:37 | Llorean | I've never experienced it myself, but I only use the Sansa for music. |
| 02:24:47 | Llorean | Right now, I keep trying to convince myself to fix the button layout. |
| 02:24:59 | saratoga | Llorean: thats good to know |
| 02:25:04 | jhMikeS | probably a line not set correectly when a data write occurs |
| 02:25:11 | Llorean | Now that someone else has done the Gigabeat for me, I should actually pitch in and bring the Sansa into line. |
| 02:25:18 | saratoga | do we have a battery runtime page setup for the sansa? |
| 02:25:29 | Llorean | The fact that there's a separate button for the context menu, and that the Power button brings up the main menu drives me nuts. |
| 02:25:47 | Llorean | saratoga: I don't think so. |
| 02:25:57 | saratoga | hmm |
| 02:26:02 | jhMikeS | makes sense to have the menu key bring up menus, yes |
| 02:26:04 | saratoga | anyone know what the runtime is like then? |
| 02:27:14 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Basically, I want to make the power button "Stop", the bottom button "Menu" on short, and the center button do the Context Menu on long. Much more similar to other players. |
| 02:27:30 | Llorean | The current button layout feels kinda like a "Well, we've got all these buttons, let's start assigning things..." |
| 02:28:55 | jhMikeS | The OF sort of does it as is done now though |
| 02:29:26 | Llorean | Yeah, but that's not a good reason to do it that way |
| 02:29:26 | Llorean | Context menu is long-select on almost every device, for example |
| 02:29:44 | Llorean | The goal is to sort of make Rockbox feel like Rockbox no matter which player you have in-hand |
| 02:29:53 | jurrie_ | having the down button == "Menu" is fine, if the scroll wheel is enabled everywhere |
| 02:30:01 | jhMikeS | true...I get used to the different layouts too quickly :P |
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| 02:30:15 | jurrie_ | I find it confusing as in some contexts down == down and in other down == menu |
| 02:30:22 | Llorean | jurrie_: In situations like Jewels it may not be. |
| 02:30:31 | jurrie_ | true |
| 02:30:36 | Llorean | But within the context of non-plugins, the wheel should always be Up/Down |
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| 02:30:47 | jurrie_ | one place where the scrollwheel should be enabled is bubbles |
| 02:31:07 | jurrie_ | aim & shoot with one finger |
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| 02:31:22 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I'm used to them, as long as I keep using it, but each time I put it down for a couple weeks it trips me up, and I'd really like to have Rockbox have semi-standard controls. |
| 02:31:27 | * | jhMikeS enabled it for spacerocks |
| 02:31:42 | jurrie | yup.... works well there |
| 02:31:55 | jhMikeS | then gigabeat should change too imo |
| 02:32:25 | webguest36 | hi i'm trying to install rockbox on a 4g ipod and whenever i try to unzip the build file a message comes up that says cannot create folder G:/ |
| 02:32:26 | saratoga | about the screen corruption bug on teh 1.1 sansas, since I'm guess i'll get a 1.1, is it bad enough that it would hinder testing on the Sansa? |
| 02:34:24 | * | jhMikeS isn't clear about what any other corruption is besides meltdown...some line on the screen or something? |
| 02:34:40 | zivan56 | IIRC it just affects the first couple of lines on the LCD |
| 02:35:27 | saratoga | then that shouldn't be a problem for me |
| 02:35:28 | zivan56 | http://www.dalcomp.net/sansa/IMG_9337c.JPG |
| 02:36:23 | jurrie | jhMikeS: when I say "meltdown", I'm talking about the whole screen fading to white |
| 02:37:06 | jhMikeS | yes, I get that one but the line thing...I feel like I know, but have no way to probe it :\ |
| 02:37:06 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: jep the whole screen |
| 02:37:08 | jurrie | looks like an invalid pointer dereference |
| 02:37:59 | jurrie | no idea if that is "standard operating procedure" when rockbox detects a crash, or if a null pointer dereference causes Sansa's screen controller to go whacko |
| 02:37:59 | jhMikeS | I think it tranfers the image bottom to top...it could also be a buffer alignment problem |
| 02:38:10 | TrueJournals | webguest36: Is your iPod located at G: ? |
| 02:38:19 | webguest36 | yes |
| 02:38:23 | zivan56 | interestingly enough, when you play video, the corrupt pixels are on the side: http://www.dalcomp.net/sansa/IMG_9339.JPG |
| 02:38:39 | TrueJournals | webguest36: What are you using to unzip? |
| 02:38:45 | jhMikeS | I know what the actual driver chip is well enough and has documentation |
| 02:38:48 | webguest36 | winRAR |
| 02:39:28 | TrueJournals | Hmmm... I don't know then... are you dragging and dropping or what? |
| 02:40:28 | webguest36 | i just click extract to, choose the file path and then click ok, then after several seconds the error message comes up |
| 02:40:40 | jhMikeS | ummm...to me the player just looks upside down |
| 02:41:06 | TrueJournals | webguest36: That's very weird... try browsing to G: and make sure you can see files |
| 02:41:10 | jurrie | my "meltdowns" are similar to what happens to the screen when RockBox's bootloader loads the OF |
| 02:41:25 | webguest36 | actually when i open it nothing comes up |
| 02:41:44 | TrueJournals | webguest36: That's the problem... reconnect your iPod and it should work fine |
| 02:41:48 | jhMikeS | yes, mine too...I think it loses the write data mode somehow for a second |
| 02:41:53 | webguest36 | ok |
| 02:41:56 | webguest36 | thanks |
| 02:42:38 | jhMikeS | The framebuffer might need a larger alignment to work correctly...that's a guess I can't check. Mine only requires 4-byte alignment to work. |
| 02:42:41 | jurrie | jhMikeS: so you're saying that it's just an LCD controller interface issue, and that the RockBox software continues to function normally? |
| 02:42:53 | jhMikeS | it does, yes |
| 02:43:01 | jurrie | ahhhh |
| 02:43:14 | jurrie | you'd think others would experience this as well |
| 02:43:42 | webguest36 | i reconnected it and it doesn't show up in my computer now |
| 02:43:54 | TrueJournals | Did you make sure to reconnect it in disk mode? |
| 02:43:55 | jhMikeS | other do...in fact, I didn't know anyone didn't :) |
| 02:44:04 | webguest36 | yes its in disk mode |
| 02:44:19 | jurrie | :-) |
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| 02:44:39 | TrueJournals | webguest36: Well, sorry, I don't know then... maybe someone else will... |
| 02:44:45 | webguest36 | ok thanks anyway |
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| 02:46:50 | digerati1338 | If I'm getting a SVN failed to add file error is it most likely because of a patch? |
| 02:51:39 | jhMikeS | zivan56: you could try changing the align attribute on lcd_driver_framebuffer from 16 to successive multiples of 352 and see if that cures it. it's the first thing I'd try myself. |
| 02:52:07 | zivan56 | jhMikeS: I don't have a v1.1 player |
| 02:52:16 | zivan56 | I just found those picture on the rockbox forum |
| 02:52:40 | zivan56 | I believe one dev does though... |
| 02:53:01 | jhMikeS | oh...I just assumed. Perhaps I'll post there then. |
| 02:54:13 | zivan56 | so any comments about the sansa radio patch? It's getting annoying syncing it to SVN since it encompasses a bunch of files, I am pretty much stuck at this current method of tuning |
| 02:54:57 | zivan56 | I don't know of that way that was mention before to set the audio source, I am guessing someone already worked it out |
| 02:56:22 | jhMikeS | zivan56: I plan on trying it out soon...I was just obsessed with figuring out the I2S issue :) |
| 02:56:34 | jurrie | wild.... playing bubbles on the Sansa as we speak... screen image just jumped down 1/3 of the way for about 1.5 seconds, then jumped back to normal |
| 02:56:36 | zivan56 | ah, well its definitely a more important one |
| 02:57:07 | zivan56 | (i2s issue) |
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| 02:57:59 | zivan56 | now just fm/mic recording and the sansa should be quite usable :) |
| 02:58:04 | jhMikeS | jurrie: yep, that happens a lot too |
| 02:58:31 | jurrie | and now a "meltdown" |
| 02:58:37 | digerati1338 | is a "svn: failed to add file" error because of a patch, and if so how do I know which patch is causing it |
| 02:59:10 | Soap | I've never seen that error, what command had you issued to get that error? |
| 02:59:16 | Soap | svn up? |
| 02:59:16 | * | jhMikeS has to figure out exactly what those clock divider numbers mean to be able to have as many standard samplerate for recording as possible |
| 02:59:17 | digerati1338 | svn update |
| 02:59:18 | jurrie | OK, so what can I do to help remedy that stuff?.... don't have a build environment set up (yet)... |
| 02:59:34 | Soap | and you have enough free space? |
| 02:59:41 | digerati1338 | yes |
| 02:59:50 | Soap | no wacky file permissions on one of the directories? |
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| 03:00:06 | jurrie | jhMikeS: I don't mind looking at code to find whacky stuff (been doing that for 20 some odd years) |
| 03:00:07 | digerati1338 | more specifically, it says, "object of same name already exists" |
| 03:00:43 | digerati1338 | so I'm guessing a patch I applied created the file and then the file was committed |
| 03:00:48 | * | Soap always reverts before updating... |
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| 03:01:10 | digerati1338 | how do you revert? just run patchname -R"? |
| 03:01:40 | jurrie | jhMikeS: from the sounds of it, you're guessing it's a frame buffer alignment issue.... particular doc/spec to check? Particular driver/API-set to cross reference? |
| 03:01:43 | Soap | "svn revert -R ." from your rockbox directory, IIRC |
| 03:01:50 | jhMikeS | jurrie: by all means ... I've got to figure out why GPIO interrupts refuse to enable which seems not obviously at all atm |
| 03:01:52 | digerati1338 | soap: ty |
| 03:02:09 | Soap | revert -R = recursively. .=starting here |
| 03:02:47 | jhMikeS | jurrie: nope, it's gonna be due to the pp5024 DMA controller requirements if it's that. The lcd driver chip won't care as it's port based. |
| 03:02:55 | jurrie | jhMikeS: is the Sansa behaving so much different in this regard than other Portal-based players? |
| 03:03:33 | jhMikeS | it's LCD operation is more like the Gigabeat and afaik not at all like how others operate |
| 03:03:48 | jurrie | lucky us :-) |
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| 03:05:07 | jurrie | jhMikeS: Ok copied the chat msgs... time for me to scoot... will start to get my feet wet |
| 03:05:49 | jhMikeS | later...good luck finding something...I feel it's simple somehow |
| 03:05:55 | testdasi | I am trying to write a patch to prevent the sansa e200 to refresh its database every time it reboot. I think it is in the "if (disable_rebuild)" of main-pp.c |
| 03:06:39 | digerati1338 | I reverted my source and I am still getting the same error: "svn: failed to ad file 'firmware/export/audiohw.h': object of the same name already exists" |
| 03:06:55 | testdasi | I tried removing the if (disable_rebuild) but it still does not work |
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| 03:09:25 | testdasi | anyone has any idea how to make it work? I tried to compile the bootloader separately but it goes straight into rockbox when pressing << (i.e. it does not boot into the original firmware) |
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| 03:10:29 | digerati1338 | testdasi: let me take a quick look at main-pp.c. I might be able to help. |
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| 03:14:31 | digerati1338 | testdasi: try commenting everything in the if(disable_rebuild) block. I'm not sure but it looks like that block is actually building the database. |
| 03:14:33 | testdasi | digerati1338: thanks |
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| 03:46:35 | TheGooman | Hey, My name is Gustavo Lang and I've just registered in the TWiki. As directed, I'm introducing myself and requesting writing permissions. |
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| 03:48:26 | |unfug| | anyone have any luck install rockbox on an 80gb ipod with the new patch? |
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| 03:51:22 | digerati1338 | TheGooman: I should be able to help you with that. Give me a minute. |
| 03:51:34 | TheGooman | Sure thing, thanks. |
| 03:53:07 | digerati1338 | TheGooman: OK you should be all set. |
| 03:53:30 | TheGooman | Alright, thanks |
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| 04:15:01 | KOReHt | Hello |
| 04:15:24 | KOReHt | Anyone available to help me? |
| 04:15:46 | digerati1338 | yeah |
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| 04:16:32 | KOReHt | ko |
| 04:16:41 | KOReHt | im trying to install ipod linux |
| 04:16:50 | KOReHt | and im at the part where im typing commands in cmd |
| 04:16:50 | midkay | -> #ipodlinux |
| 04:16:54 | KOReHt | Oh |
| 04:16:54 | KOReHt | ok |
| 04:16:55 | KOReHt | sorry |
| 04:16:57 | midkay | :) |
| 04:16:59 | digerati1338 | wrong irc channel |
| 04:17:10 | digerati1338 | try /join #ipodlinux |
| 04:17:13 | KOReHt | thanks |
| 04:17:39 | digerati1338 | :-P |
| 04:18:51 | KOReHt | no one responding.lol. do u think u can help?.. it's probably really easy to answer. |
| 04:19:58 | digerati1338 | possibly. I don't own an ipod though, but may be able to offer advice |
| 04:20:28 | KOReHt | lol.ok |
| 04:20:38 | KOReHt | do u know anything about ipod linux? |
| 04:20:50 | digerati1338 | i've heard of it |
| 04:21:02 | KOReHt | yeah..you cant help me..but thanks :P |
| 04:21:17 | digerati1338 | I can't help you unless you ask a question |
| 04:21:18 | scorche | KOReHt: stop asking about IPL in here |
| 04:21:33 | KOReHt | sorry..just no one answering on other channel |
| 04:21:42 | scorche | so?...this is #rockbox |
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| 04:33:39 | |unfug| | i'm trying to install rockbox on my 80gb ipod with the new patch, ipodpatcher runs successfully, but after i reboot the ipod it just hangs with the black background with the silver apple logo |
| 04:35:05 | Llorean | This usually means that you have not installed a properly patched bootloader |
| 04:35:28 | Llorean | Since current bootloaders actually show text when they error, it sounds like you may have installed the bootloader built into ipodpatcher |
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| 04:38:03 | |unfug| | k, that's probably it, thanks |
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| 05:56:36 | ManaSama | hey can someone hellp me |
| 05:57:01 | ManaSama | i installed rockbox to my video 60 gig ipod and imake a backround it works fine ive done this before n had it all working but got a new one cuz it got stolen |
| 05:57:29 | ManaSama | so i also made a backround for wen its "playing" a song.....i have get the backround to show up it is just showing the main back round |
| 05:57:33 | ManaSama | someone help plz |
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| 06:14:26 | ManaSama | i installed rockbox to my video 60 gig ipod and imake a backround it works fine ive done this before n had it all working but got a new one cuz it got stolen |
| 06:14:33 | ManaSama | someone help plz |
| 06:15:07 | aliask | What is wrong? |
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| 06:17:41 | ManaSama | wen i play a song |
| 06:17:50 | ManaSama | the theme i downloaded and installed doesnt switch over to the playing screen |
| 06:18:00 | ManaSama | it stayed with the backdrop the entire time |
| 06:18:04 | ManaSama | stays |
| 06:18:34 | aliask | So the playing screen's backdrop doesn't change? |
| 06:19:07 | ManaSama | yes |
| 06:19:14 | aliask | That's expected. |
| 06:19:17 | ManaSama | it stayed with the backdrop and doesnt go to the playing screen |
| 06:19:35 | aliask | What stayed with the backdrop? That sentence doesn't make sense. |
| 06:19:59 | ManaSama | the backround picture doesnt change to the now playing screen |
| 06:20:03 | ManaSama | wen i play a song |
| 06:20:19 | ManaSama | it stayes with the main backround |
| 06:20:24 | aliask | Ah I see. |
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| 06:20:33 | ManaSama | u know what i can do? |
| 06:20:44 | aliask | Does the WPS have a backdrop? |
| 06:21:08 | ManaSama | yes |
| 06:21:13 | ManaSama | its the Black Glass one |
| 06:21:20 | ManaSama | theres a file |
| 06:21:23 | ManaSama | bg |
| 06:21:24 | aliask | If you just load the WPS, will the backdrop change, or do you have to load the whole theme? |
| 06:21:46 | ManaSama | i go to settings>brows themes |
| 06:21:56 | ManaSama | then black glass and it loads |
| 06:22:05 | ManaSama | but wen i play a song it doesnt change to the now playing screen |
| 06:22:09 | aliask | Not themes. Go to Settings -> Display -> Browse WPS |
| 06:22:27 | ManaSama | hmm ok lemme try |
| 06:22:28 | aliask | Select BlackGlass and see if it changes the backdrop |
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| 06:24:44 | ManaSama | nope |
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| 06:25:36 | ManaSama | it shows the backdrop |
| 06:25:46 | aliask | Well, it looks like the theme sets the backdrop, not the WPS. If you want to have one backdrop for the WPS and another for the main browser, you should edit the WPS so that it changes the background |
| 06:25:50 | ManaSama | but wen i play a song it does NOT go to the "now playing" new backround |
| 06:26:00 | ManaSama | cuz wen u play a song it shows a different backround |
| 06:27:26 | ManaSama | ?? do u knwo what is wrong? |
| 06:27:33 | aliask | I just told you what was wrong... |
| 06:27:51 | ManaSama | u did? |
| 06:27:54 | ManaSama | can u tell me again? |
| 06:28:07 | ManaSama | this is wierd cuz i had is all perfecxt on my last ipod and now its all wierd |
| 06:28:14 | aliask | Well, it looks like the theme sets the backdrop, not the WPS. If you want to have one backdrop for the WPS and another for the main browser, you should edit the WPS so that it changes the background |
| 06:28:36 | ManaSama | yea.... |
| 06:28:43 | ManaSama | there r 2 totally different ones |
| 06:29:01 | ManaSama | the backdrop and the playing pixcture r different |
| 06:29:12 | aliask | I know. |
| 06:29:18 | aliask | You need to edit the WPS file. |
| 06:29:22 | ManaSama | hmm |
| 06:29:23 | ManaSama | ok |
| 06:29:32 | ManaSama | can u tell me how ...it shouldnt be that hard but i havent done it |
| 06:30:08 | aliask | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
| 06:30:55 | ManaSama | ok soooo |
| 06:31:05 | ManaSama | every single themes i download from the rockbox website |
| 06:31:11 | ManaSama | u need to edit the wps? |
| 06:31:28 | ManaSama | so it will change fromj backdrop to now playing screens |
| 06:32:45 | aliask | Not necessarily |
| 06:32:54 | ManaSama | so just this one? |
| 06:33:06 | aliask | I don't even know if this will fix the problem, it's just a potential fix. |
| 06:33:07 | ManaSama | cuz last time i had my other ipod i downloaded it and dragged n dropped and it worked fine |
| 06:33:18 | aliask | Are you using a custom build at all? |
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| 06:34:06 | ManaSama | no |
| 06:34:12 | ManaSama | its from the rockbox site |
| 06:34:16 | ManaSama | it has a list of all kinds |
| 06:36:02 | ManaSama | i guess ill try a different one |
| 06:36:03 | ManaSama | .............. |
| 06:36:12 | aliask | Hang on, let me test it out. |
| 06:36:18 | aliask | Is it an iPod 5g? |
| 06:37:02 | ManaSama | yes |
| 06:37:03 | ManaSama | 5 gig ipod |
| 06:37:08 | ManaSama | i downloaded black glass |
| 06:37:11 | ManaSama | n just dragged n dropped |
| 06:37:56 | aliask | And which theme was this? The jBlackGlass theme? |
| 06:38:00 | ManaSama | Black Glass AA v1.21 |
| 06:38:12 | ManaSama | Black Glass (Album Art Version) |
| 06:38:21 | aliask | Well, for starters, that theme requires a custom version of rockbox - it won't work with the official one. |
| 06:38:47 | ManaSama | oh |
| 06:38:50 | ManaSama | thats prolly y |
| 06:38:51 | ManaSama | hah |
| 06:38:53 | ManaSama | what version? |
| 06:38:57 | ManaSama | v1.21 |
| 06:39:44 | aliask | Well, when you downloaded it, did you notice the thing saying "but please note you'll need my latest rockbox prebuild binnary [sic]!" |
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| 06:41:19 | ManaSama | no |
| 06:44:03 | ManaSama | it doesnt say that |
| 06:44:33 | ManaSama | A WPS based on the new Window Media Player 11. This version uses the Album Art patch (iPod Experimental Builds). An non-Album Art version is available below. |
| 06:44:33 | ManaSama | Forum Discussion Thread |
| 06:44:33 | ManaSama | * Download: Black Glass AA v1.21 |
| 06:44:33 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK ManaSama |
| 06:44:33 | ManaSama | *v1.21* |
| 06:44:34 | ManaSama | Now makes use of resizing album art patch |
| 06:44:48 | ManaSama | it says nothing like that |
| 06:44:52 | ManaSama | u got it working? |
| 06:46:17 | aliask | Are you looking at the WpsIpod5g wiki page? |
| 06:46:29 | aliask | Or on the www.rockbox-themes.com website? |
| 06:46:42 | ManaSama | its on both sites |
| 06:47:03 | ManaSama | WpsIpod5g - WPS Gallery for the Ipod 5G. |
| 06:47:06 | ManaSama | imlooking at that one |
| 06:47:47 | aliask | Ah, my mistake, I was looking at the non AA one |
| 06:48:18 | ManaSama | i tried 3 different themes |
| 06:48:18 | aliask | But yes, that one too requires a custom build, which I can't test |
| 06:48:28 | ManaSama | were do i get different builds? |
| 06:48:40 | ManaSama | it needs v 1.21 build? |
| 06:48:48 | aliask | No, that's the version of the WPS |
| 06:48:58 | aliask | "This version uses the Album Art patch (iPod Experimental Builds)" |
| 06:49:05 | aliask | Click the link |
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| 06:51:45 | ManaSama | The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you |
| 06:52:12 | ManaSama | gawd this is so stupid |
| 06:52:42 | aliask | Well, it isn't exactly rockbox's problem, it's an unsupported build that's gone missing by the looks of it |
| 06:53:02 | aliask | There are others which will do what you want though, take a look in the unsupported builds section on the forum. |
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| 08:05:22 | kkurbjun | has anyone here worked with flash devices that are configurable to either write in bytes or words |
| 08:06:09 | kkurbjun | specifically working with D15 and A0 sharing the same pin in byte mode |
| 08:07:16 | LinusN | hmmm, i can't remember i have... |
| 08:08:20 | kkurbjun | LinusN, I was looking for some pointers on writing code to move the lowest address bit out to D15 |
| 08:08:39 | kkurbjun | I'm not too good with bitwise operations on pointers |
| 08:09:02 | kkurbjun | or addressing like it's 8 bits wide and actually putting 16 bits of data on the bus |
| 08:09:02 | LinusN | you need to cast the pointer to a suitable integer |
| 08:09:49 | kkurbjun | by the way, is that a typical setup for flash memories in byte mode? |
| 08:09:59 | LinusN | i must say i'm a little confused now |
| 08:10:23 | kkurbjun | this is the DS I'm looking at: http://www.spansion.com/datasheets/e520911.pdf |
| 08:10:37 | kkurbjun | let me find the page |
| 08:11:26 | kkurbjun | page 22 |
| 08:11:42 | kkurbjun | they talk about byte/word configuration |
| 08:12:27 | kkurbjun | I don't know the pin in the gigabeat to actually toggle the byte pin so I'm stuck in byte mode even though the data and address lines are properly setup for word mode |
| 08:13:23 | kkurbjun | so D0 through D15 are all hooked up to the data lines and A0- A18 are connected to the address lines |
| 08:13:46 | LinusN | well, that only tells you that the A-1 pin is used for the lowest address bit |
| 08:15:00 | amiconn | mo0ning |
| 08:15:27 | kkurbjun | yes, but A-1 is also shared with D15 so I can't just do a normal write to the CPU bus and expect that it will work properly.. unless I'm doing something else wrong, I have all the bytes duplicated in flash |
| 08:15:28 | amiconn | LinusN: Did you read about my speed test results on the 5.5/80 ? |
| 08:15:31 | LinusN | kkurbjun: hang in asec |
| 08:15:53 | kkurbjun | Linusn, ok, thanks |
| 08:16:44 | amiconn | The patch is obviously working fine on all G5s and G5.5s, but sequential writing from a 512 byte buffer on the 80 is *dead* slow compared to all other targets |
| 08:18:11 | kkurbjun | as an added note I'm pretty much following the same style of code as the firmware_flash plugin, and just modifying the command sequences right now |
| 08:18:31 | amiconn | Reading doesn't have that problem. I have a suspicion why that happens - the disk simply doesn't expect the same sector accessed twice. So it throws the sector out of its internal cache after the first access, and hence needs to hit the disk everytime |
| 08:19:46 | amiconn | Write speed from a 512 byte buffer is 2..3MB/s on other G5s, but 23KB/s (!) on the 80 |
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| 08:22:15 | ryran | hey everyone |
| 08:23:05 | ryran | looking for some help with the wps parser... what should I be seeing if I run the sim with the −−debugwps switch? |
| 08:24:51 | ryran | anyone? |
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| 08:27:54 | kkurbjun | ryan, I think Nico_P would be able to answer your question |
| 08:29:06 | ryran | I'm just feeling kind of dumb because it's obviously not loading my wps, but I'm not getting anything and I don't know what to look for. |
| 08:30:45 | amiconn | kkurbjun: I wonder how the flash access can work at all if the bus configuration and device configuration mismatch |
| 08:30:57 | amiconn | Not only for programming, but also for reading... |
| 08:31:06 | kkurbjun | I gotcha, I don't work with the WPS stuff at all so I can't really offer anything though |
| 08:32:44 | kkurbjun | amiconn, reading seems to work fine.. writing is giving me those duplicated bytes.. It seemed to fit with the description of the byte/word mode to a point.. this may not be the problem though. I see the bytes duplicated in flash even if I only execute a single write to the flash |
| 08:33:46 | kkurbjun | that code is identical to ProgramByte in firmware_flash too (except for the commands) |
| 08:34:21 | kkurbjun | and if I execute the commands to do word writes the flash doesn't try and write |
| 08:34:33 | kkurbjun | it only accepts the byte commands |
| 08:35:55 | kkurbjun | and addressing reacts like byte mode as well |
| 08:36:00 | kkurbjun | it is strange though |
| 08:37:47 | kkurbjun | I'm a bit confused on all this though as I haven't really worked with flash devices at all |
| 08:40:15 | kkurbjun | this openOCD jtag debugger is nice, it really works well with the Xilinx Cables |
| 08:42:04 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 08:42:04 | * | amiconn wonders how a single write might cause duplicated bytes... |
| 08:43:03 | amiconn | The only thing I can imagine atm is if there are actually 2 flash chips, one for the even and one for the odd bytes, and you're accidentally writing to both of them at the same time... |
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| 08:43:37 | kkurbjun | that would be an odd setup |
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| 08:45:37 | kkurbjun | I am doing all my memory reads over the jtag chain, but it seems pretty stable to me, all the rest of the flash reads out fine through it |
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| 08:48:31 | kkurbjun | from toffe82's tracing there is no indication that there would be two flash devices in a setup like that either |
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| 09:07:31 | kkurbjun | LinusN, I need to sleep, if you come up with any pointers I would greatly appreciate them. Thanks for looking at it. Thanks amiconn as well. |
| 09:07:41 | LinusN | sleep tight |
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| 09:19:40 | amiconn | LinusN: I think I should commit the patch. Even if small buffer writing is very slow, it works, and it allows to work on larger sector support in fat.c incrementally |
| 09:19:56 | LinusN | i think so too |
| 09:19:56 | amiconn | Btw, dir.c and file.c need to be adjusted as well |
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| 09:20:20 | LinusN | small buffer writing, is that like FAT updates? |
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| 09:20:46 | LinusN | or cfg files? |
| 09:21:03 | amiconn | Yes, but actually it doesn't hit fs performance much, as these accesses are non-contiguous anyway |
| 09:21:09 | LinusN | true |
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| 09:21:28 | amiconn | It's writing sequential files from a 512 byte buffer that suffers most |
| 09:23:39 | LinusN | something we don't do a lot, i suppose |
| 09:24:31 | amiconn | Well, config files, .playlist_control etc are all written that way |
| 09:24:44 | amiconn | But then all these files aren't very large |
| 09:26:04 | amiconn | Compare this: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/test_disk_log_01.txt (results from linuxstb's iPod video) with this: http://amiconn.dyndns.org/test_disk_log_01.txt (results from the 80GB) |
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| 09:28:26 | linuxstb | amiconn: I think you should commit now as well - if it's only write speed you'll be significantly improving, then it won't stop us releasing the bootloader now, so people can start using Rockbox on their 80GBs. |
| 09:31:29 | GodEater | hmm - I've had my iPod lock up a couple of times now if I power it on with the usb cable plugged in |
| 09:31:56 | linuxstb | GodEater: Yes, that problem has been around for a while... |
| 09:32:07 | GodEater | ah good - as long as I'm not suffering alone |
| 09:33:29 | * | GodEater has just sent off a fresh complaint to BT about his lack of internet connection |
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| 09:36:07 | crop | I have a question about a recent change in sound.c, function "sound_get_fn." Why is there the need for the switch? Why can't the func be accessed by index as it was done before? |
| 09:36:12 | GodEater | was your 7:18 commit prompted by my forum post linuxstb ? :) |
| 09:38:02 | linuxstb | GodEater: Partly - I was thinking about changing that yesterday, but your forum post made me do it :) |
| 09:38:12 | GodEater | hehe |
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| 09:38:44 | laure1 | hello |
| 09:39:04 | linuxstb | We should put instructions for rebooting and disk mode in big friendly letters on the front of the Rockbox manual... |
| 09:39:06 | GodEater | me is looking forward to the influx of 80GB related posts that are sure to arrive soon |
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| 09:39:23 | GodEater | linuxstb: next to the words "Don't Panic" perhaps ? |
| 09:39:32 | linuxstb | Nah, we like to panic users... |
| 09:39:39 | GodEater | hahaha |
| 09:39:41 | laure1 | who can help me, I want to apply a patch on my ipod photo, put the patch on the root folder of my ipod and used the patch -p0 patchname from the terminal. But nothing happens in the terminal |
| 09:39:44 | GodEater | otherwise where's the fun |
| 09:40:02 | B4gder | laure1: can you build an unpatched rockbox? |
| 09:40:15 | sneakums | laure1: patch -p0 < patchname |
| 09:40:16 | pondlife | Hmm, is there a new dontpanicf() function? |
| 09:40:16 | linuxstb | laure1: Patches are changes to the Rockbox source code - you need to download the source code, apply the patch, and compile to create a rockbox.zip |
| 09:40:17 | laure1 | jup, Im running rockbox if thats what you mean |
| 09:40:38 | GodEater | laure1: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
| 09:40:43 | laure1 | do I need the < sign in the terminal? |
| 09:41:03 | sneakums | yes, patch reads from stdandard input by default; < will feed the file to standard input |
| 09:41:05 | B4gder | laure1: primarily you need the source code and development environment |
| 09:41:17 | laure1 | ahh ok, I think thats the problem, will give that a try , one moment |
| 09:41:27 | sneakums | oh, root folder of your ipod |
| 09:41:37 | sneakums | laure1: also, what everyone else said :) |
| 09:41:50 | laure1 | ok |
| 09:41:52 | sneakums | i've left out < so many times myself i just jumped on that |
| 09:41:53 | GodEater | we so need to call patches something else |
| 09:42:10 | sneakums | GodEater: "diffs" is another often-used term |
| 09:42:22 | sneakums | although using patch to apply diffs may be just another type of confusion |
| 09:42:24 | GodEater | indeed |
| 09:42:33 | GodEater | alias patch=diff :) |
| 09:42:46 | GodEater | hmm |
| 09:42:49 | sneakums | not sure that'll do what yoy want :P |
| 09:42:51 | GodEater | that might not be so bright however |
| 09:42:54 | linuxstb | I've suggested in the past that we stop referring to them as patches, and call them diffs. |
| 09:42:55 | sneakums | and there's already a "diff" command |
| 09:42:58 | laure1 | hmm Im seeing more right now :) only it says can' t find the file to patch |
| 09:43:03 | GodEater | well it will - but then diff will stop working |
| 09:43:08 | laure1 | do I need to put the patch in the ./rockbox folder? |
| 09:43:13 | linuxstb | laure1: Patches are changes to the Rockbox source code - you need to download the source code, apply the patch, and compile to create a rockbox.zip |
| 09:43:14 | laure1 | .rockbox I mean |
| 09:43:14 | sneakums | laure1: no, see the comments above regarding the source code |
| 09:43:38 | GodEater | laure1: you don't have the source code currently |
| 09:43:38 | laure1 | ok, sorry now I understand |
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| 09:45:19 | laure1 | is there some manual for this, because the working for patches doesnt tell me where to download the right source etc |
| 09:45:48 | GodEater | laure1: search the wiki for instructions on setting up a development environment |
| 09:45:51 | linuxstb | laure1: Try the links in this section - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers |
| 09:45:59 | GodEater | there are about three different methods on the wiki |
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| 09:46:35 | laure1 | ok, but to be sure, the only thing I want to do is run the multiple-fonts patch, do I really need to rebuild the whole thing for this? |
| 09:47:10 | linuxstb | laure1: Yes, or look for an "unofficial build" with that patch included - a version of Rockbox where someone has already applied that patch for you. |
| 09:47:11 | GodEater | laure1: yes |
| 09:47:23 | laure1 | thats a good idea :) |
| 09:48:55 | * | GodEater wonders how up to date with the current source tree the multi-font patch is anyway |
| 09:49:42 | laure1 | what I want to do is use nimbus 12 in the menus and de default font in the play window |
| 09:50:52 | linuxstb | amiconn: If you have a chance, can you copy the MBR from the 80GB - so we can add it to downloads for macpod conversion? They're on the download server, so you'll need to give it to Bagder/LinusN. Can you name it mbr-video80gb-2048.bin ? |
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| 09:53:35 | * | GodEater could do that too |
| 09:53:39 | laure1 | hej I must go, thanks everybody for your help |
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| 09:54:23 | linuxstb | GodEater: I forgot you had an 80GB :) Thanks. Just "dd if=/dev/sdx of=mbr-video80gb-2048.bin count=1" - assuming you haven't repartitioned to add IPL. |
| 09:54:47 | GodEater | the very idea |
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| 09:55:43 | GodEater | do Bagder / Linus have a preferred method for getting it to them |
| 09:56:05 | B4gder | a URL we can get it from |
| 09:56:28 | GodEater | right - I'll hunt down one of those file sharing sites |
| 09:56:44 | linuxstb | You could just email it to me and I can host it easily. |
| 09:56:46 | B4gder | you can email it to us as well if that's easier for you |
| 09:57:16 | B4gder | those sharing sites are usually so annoying |
| 09:59:47 | GodEater | emailed it to you Bagder |
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| 10:00:37 | B4gder | got it |
| 10:01:37 | * | linuxstb downloads it and discovers he already had one (identical md5sum) sitting on his hard disk since january... |
| 10:01:54 | GodEater | I think I've got about 4 copies of it here with various names :) |
| 10:02:05 | linuxstb | Maybe you gave it to me then... |
| 10:02:15 | GodEater | very possibly |
| 10:03:01 | GodEater | shall I delete the IpodEightyGB wiki page now then ? |
| 10:03:15 | B4gder | hm |
| 10:03:26 | B4gder | there's a mbr-video80gb-2048.bin file present already |
| 10:03:47 | GodEater | hahaha |
| 10:03:49 | linuxstb | hm... I just updated the wiki and was surprised the file was there so quickly... |
| 10:04:00 | B4gder | different from GodEater's though |
| 10:04:04 | * | linuxstb loves wasting time |
| 10:04:08 | GodEater | oooh really ? |
| 10:04:28 | GodEater | that's worrying |
| 10:04:36 | * | GodEater promises he's not done anything to his |
| 10:04:51 | linuxstb | I've checked the one already on the server, and that looks fine, so I think we should keep the older one. |
| 10:05:00 | linuxstb | (i.e. the partition table info looks correct) |
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| 10:05:32 | B4gder | @@ -1,4 +1,4 @@ |
| 10:05:32 | B4gder | -00000000 eb 58 90 4d 53 44 4f 53 35 2e 30 02 00 08 00 02 |ëX.MSDOS5.0.....| |
| 10:05:32 | B4gder | +00000000 eb 58 90 4d 53 44 4f 53 35 2e 30 00 08 08 00 02 |ëX.MSDOS5.0.....| |
| 10:05:38 | B4gder | the only difference |
| 10:06:04 | B4gder | the first being the older one |
| 10:06:11 | GodEater | two bytes |
| 10:06:53 | GodEater | I'm not sure what those two bytes do either |
| 10:07:18 | petur | it's bytes per sector |
| 10:07:36 | GodEater | .... |
| 10:07:41 | petur | 02 00 = 512 |
| 10:07:58 | petur | I think |
| 10:09:16 | linuxstb | It's not part of the boot code? |
| 10:09:34 | * | petur is checking |
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| 10:10:18 | petur | errr.. that should have been 00 02 = 512 |
| 10:10:59 | petur | 00 08 = 2048 |
| 10:11:30 | petur | that first one looks strange, did you try to mess with it? |
| 10:11:36 | GodEater | surely the older one is wrong then |
| 10:11:47 | petur | looks like it |
| 10:11:58 | linuxstb | petur: Are you sure that's the sector size? |
| 10:12:19 | petur | yes |
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| 10:12:52 | petur | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAT32#Boot_Sector says so too |
| 10:13:00 | linuxstb | The MBR references I've seen just have code from 0x0 onwards - e.g. http://www.ata-atapi.com/hiwmbr.htm |
| 10:14:51 | * | petur is puzzled by linuxstb's link |
| 10:15:27 | linuxstb | Is the boot sector the same as the MBR? Your link looks like a "superfloppy" - i.e. a single partition without an MBR/partition table. |
| 10:15:44 | GodEater | I didn't think a boot sector was the same as an MBR |
| 10:15:52 | linuxstb | But yes, the MBRs we're getting from ipods seem to match the wikipedia link. |
| 10:16:18 | GodEater | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record |
| 10:17:08 | petur | then why is the name in ascii in that dump? |
| 10:17:34 | linuxstb | Although the two "further structures" are all zeros - just the "common structure" (first 36 bytes) match. |
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| 10:21:02 | GodEater | well the iPod doesn't "boot" from it's disk does it ? It boots from flash - so the "code" there doesnt' actually do anything does it ? It's like 446 bytes of free space.... |
| 10:22:05 | petur | it's a combined MBR/bootsector thing I think, I've seen it before on CF cards |
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| 10:22:34 | petur | it's got me confused quite some times in the past already |
| 10:23:07 | petur | however, I'm pretty sure the 2 bytes behind the name are the bytes-per-sector |
| 10:25:11 | linuxstb | Yes, so GodEater's MBR (the second one) looks correct? |
| 10:25:30 | petur | yes |
| 10:25:35 | linuxstb | (2048 bytes per sector) |
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| 10:26:02 | linuxstb | I have seen MBRs with all zeros at the start though - I think the Linux fdisk creates them like that. |
| 10:26:49 | petur | I think it depends on the first three bytes |
| 10:27:02 | * | Siltaar is interested in language support for plugins |
| 10:27:05 | linuxstb | B4gder: Can you overwrite the old one with GodEater's ? |
| 10:27:09 | Siltaar | someone to contact ? |
| 10:27:16 | petur | FAT/MBR code is a real mess, not a clear standard |
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| 10:27:41 | * | GodEater thinks we should also provide a column with the md5sum for each mbr in the wiki |
| 10:28:29 | GodEater | isn't the 2048 on the end of the 80GB's sector kind of superfluous ? It doesn't come in any other size... |
| 10:28:54 | linuxstb | I guess someone could upgrade a 5g with an 80GB disk... |
| 10:29:03 | GodEater | I suppose so |
| 10:29:15 | linuxstb | But yes, it's kinda surperfluous... |
| 10:31:01 | linuxstb | Siltaar: If no-one is replying to you in IRC, you could try the rockbox-dev mailing list |
| 10:31:43 | linuxstb | Siltaar: But as you've probably realised - there's no infrastructure for language support in plugins, so that needs to be written before you can use it... |
| 10:32:57 | B4gder | GodEater's MBR is now what we offer |
| 10:33:23 | linuxstb | Thanks |
| 10:33:50 | petur | GodEater: did you ever try to change the MBR of your disk? |
| 10:33:57 | GodEater | just need amiconn to commit the patch now |
| 10:34:02 | GodEater | petur: No - never did |
| 10:34:10 | Siltaar | thanks linuxstb |
| 10:34:26 | petur | then how come there's a difference |
| 10:34:37 | GodEater | we don't know where the earlier MBR came from |
| 10:34:43 | GodEater | so it's difficult to say |
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| 10:36:45 | linuxstb | Checking the IRC logs, I've found when I asked Zagor to put the MBR on the download server, but I can't see any references to me asking anyone for it... |
| 10:37:35 | B4gder | scorche: around? |
| 10:37:51 | scorche | aye |
| 10:38:02 | linuxstb | Ah, it was from DataGhost - I asked him in #ipodlinux. He said it was the original MBR he backed up from an unmodified ipod... |
| 10:38:41 | B4gder | scorche: I'd appreciate if you could make a rough poll around your plausible devcon attendees for tshirt sizes (M/L/XL), so that I can ship them over soon |
| 10:38:48 | GodEater | interesting |
| 10:38:54 | GodEater | maybe he sent you the wrong one |
| 10:38:57 | linuxstb | It's still here - http://dataghost.com/ipl/5.5G-80GB-original-winpod-bootsector.bin |
| 10:39:45 | scorche | B4gder: alright....i was actually wondering if it was worth it to send me a few extra for those in the US that want one so you dont have to send from europe....not sure if that is worth it though |
| 10:39:58 | linuxstb | GodEater: There's also talk about the difference in those two bytes here - http://rainstorm.org/ipod/stats/ipodlinux.log-2007-01-23 |
| 10:40:24 | B4gder | scorche: well, I can easily add a few bonus ones |
| 10:40:53 | scorche | B4gder: well, i dont know if it would be worth it for you, really |
| 10:42:11 | GodEater | linuxstb: around what time in that log ? |
| 10:42:23 | B4gder | well, my primary concern is for the devcon west poeple anyway |
| 10:42:40 | B4gder | I haven't really started planning on the rest |
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| 10:43:12 | linuxstb | GodEater: It's mentioned twice - search for "00 08" |
| 10:43:15 | petur | heh, DataGhost actually says there that his has 02 00 and the other has 00 08 |
| 10:43:29 | petur | 01:48 |
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| 10:43:52 | scorche | B4gder: will do then...there are a couple who are not devs that are attending...should i count for them as well, or not? |
| 10:44:06 | B4gder | scorche: count them too |
| 10:44:20 | GodEater | how curious |
| 10:44:26 | petur | 02 00 seems totally invalid to me, it should be either 00 02 (512) or 00 08 (2048) |
| 10:45:02 | scorche | alright...will do |
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| 10:48:27 | amiconn | I get a different MBR from the 80GB from that on the dl server |
| 10:49:05 | petur | oh how nice |
| 10:49:41 | petur | was it messed with by Linus? |
| 10:49:51 | B4gder | we can't trust that guy |
| 10:50:00 | petur | :) |
| 10:50:36 | petur | anybody who wants abba and ace of bass can't be trusted |
| 10:51:36 | amiconn | It's Ace of Base, btw |
| 10:51:47 | petur | I wouldn't know ;) |
| 10:51:48 | GodEater | amiconn: does LinusN's one look like DataGhost's then ? |
| 10:52:01 | amiconn | Where can I find that one? |
| 10:52:16 | * | scorche sings "Its a beautiful life! ooooh oh oh oh!" |
| 10:52:20 | linuxstb | http://dataghost.com/ipl/5.5G-80GB-original-winpod-bootsector.bin |
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| 10:54:08 | GodEater | linuxstb: is ipodpatcher ready for amiconn's commit too? i.e. with a new bootloader ? |
| 10:54:25 | linuxstb | I can't build the bootloaders until amiconn commits, but yes, I'm ready to build... |
| 10:54:35 | GodEater | silly me |
| 10:55:15 | linuxstb | As I now have a linux-ppc machine (the PS3), I may as well make a PPC build of ipodpatcher as well. |
| 10:55:28 | GodEater | heh |
| 10:56:17 | B4gder | I bet there's a huuuge crowd of users screaming for that! ;-P |
| 10:56:24 | * | linuxstb wonders if the next ipodpatcher should be 0.91 or 1.0 |
| 10:56:33 | GodEater | 1.0!!! |
| 10:58:10 | linuxstb | OK, I guess we can call it stable... |
| 10:58:27 | GodEater | shame it's too early for bubbly |
| 10:58:34 | pondlife | Who says? |
| 10:58:45 | GodEater | ok - it's too early for *me* :) |
| 10:59:09 | B4gder | ok, here's my summary of devcon 2007 => http://daniel.haxx.se/devcon2007/ |
| 10:59:21 | GodEater | oh pooh - I can't look at it :( |
| 10:59:29 | bluebrother | B4gder: \o/ |
| 10:59:36 | GodEater | work proxy hates haxx.se |
| 10:59:40 | B4gder | haha, yeah my site is a nasty hacker's site |
| 10:59:51 | pondlife | Bad hacker! |
| 10:59:54 | B4gder | GodEater: the entire domain or just my part? |
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| 11:00:00 | GodEater | the entire domain |
| 11:00:26 | amiconn | GodEater: Yes, LinusN's 80GB bootsector is identical to DataGhost's |
| 11:00:29 | B4gder | someone told me they had it blocked since the word hacker is used on multiple places |
| 11:00:49 | GodEater | that's probably the brain dead attitude they took here too |
| 11:00:54 | * | linuxstb spots the use of Flash on B4gder's page and wonders what happened... |
| 11:01:11 | pondlife | eBay advert... |
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| 11:01:15 | GodEater | he's been letting Bagder Junior play on his PC again |
| 11:01:15 | B4gder | linuxstb: I just happen to like the bottle ads ;-) |
| 11:01:15 | bluebrother | GodEater: maybe you can a ipv6 gateway like http://ipv6gate.sixxs.net/? |
| 11:01:32 | linuxstb | pondlife: That's no excuse ;) |
| 11:01:35 | amiconn | But the differences near the beginning aren't relevant anyway, since that's just the x86 boot code |
| 11:01:37 | GodEater | bluebrother: hahaha - there's no ipv6 infrastructure here at ALL! |
| 11:01:46 | bluebrother | too bad. |
| 11:01:55 | GodEater | www.anonymouse.org works though |
| 11:01:55 | pondlife | That Tower Of Rockbox is scary to look at |
| 11:02:08 | bluebrother | but I'm annoyed my wlan router doesn't support ipv6 all the time :( |
| 11:02:31 | B4gder | pondlife: christi did look a bit concerned when I stole her targets to improve it ;-) |
| 11:02:37 | GodEater | bluebrother: you mean it supports it some of the time ? :) |
| 11:02:44 | pondlife | Ondios would be safe enough... |
| 11:02:49 | pondlife | But HDDs? |
| 11:03:25 | B4gder | hey, what's the challange with "safe" ? ;-) |
| 11:03:38 | bluebrother | GodEater: unfortunately not. But if I had get a different version of the same router I could add support with a firmware replacement ... |
| 11:03:38 | pondlife | :) |
| 11:04:00 | amiconn | The partition table starts at 0x1be in the MBR. Everything before that is irrelevant as long as one doesn't want to boot an x86 PC from that disk |
| 11:04:18 | * | linuxstb was (appropriately) admiring the leaning tower in Pisa at the time the Rockbox tower was built... |
| 11:04:48 | bluebrother | hey guys, does anyone know this debugger? http://www.amontec.com/jtagkey-tiny.shtml |
| 11:05:10 | bluebrother | I was thinking about getting one for the not-too-far future |
| 11:05:43 | pondlife | Did any progress get made on Viewports? I didn't see any notes... |
| 11:06:00 | pondlife | I mean at DevCon.. |
| 11:08:35 | pondlife | LinusN: Nice moves to "...Bright Side Of Life" there ;) |
| 11:08:42 | LinusN | :-) |
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| 11:09:20 | pondlife | Next year it'll have to be Ma na ma na... |
| 11:09:37 | bluebrother | in such a sad moment? |
| 11:09:51 | B4gder | pondlife: the progress is that amiconn has a complete design in his head ;-) |
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| 11:10:05 | amiconn | yeah, still just there :/ |
| 11:10:10 | pondlife | lol, I thought that was already the case! |
| 11:10:16 | amiconn | But I explained the overall concept a bit |
| 11:10:40 | pondlife | So they didn't attack your head with a can opener to get the concepts out? |
| 11:11:01 | B4gder | pondlife: we were scared what else that might leak out ,-) |
| 11:11:08 | pondlife | Good point :) |
| 11:11:42 | bluebrother | looking at the pictures: why wasn't the projector also showing the irc logs? ;-) |
| 11:11:54 | petur | actually, amiconn had to explain it about three times before one of us started to understand it ;) |
| 11:12:03 | pondlife | Hmm, KISS then? |
| 11:12:14 | pondlife | (Sorry, just joking) |
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| 11:13:42 | LinusN | pondlife: yes, we applied KISS on his head: "Keep It Sealed Stupid" |
| 11:14:02 | pondlife | "Kiss my sealed head" |
| 11:14:25 | B4gder | bluebrother: truly an improvement for next year! ;-) |
| 11:14:28 | LinusN | KMSH |
| 11:14:42 | bluebrother | LOL |
| 11:14:58 | B4gder | kiss is stupid silliness |
| 11:15:06 | LinusN | that would probably have killed that poor computer, it struggled to keep the webcam going |
| 11:15:23 | * | petur looks at LinusN and wonders if he just opened that leftover beer |
| 11:15:32 | pondlife | leftover??? |
| 11:16:11 | petur | one small bottle of kasteelbeer, very dark and sweet (stong to, 11%) |
| 11:16:22 | petur | s/to/too |
| 11:16:35 | pondlife | Huh, you guys weren't working hard enough?? ;) |
| 11:16:37 | GodEater | no wonder it's small... |
| 11:16:59 | petur | pixelma had the other one ;) |
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| 11:18:32 | LinusN | petur: nope, i keep it for the next bootloader release :-) |
| 11:18:46 | petur | ah, which reminds me.... |
| 11:18:49 | B4gder | food |
| 11:18:53 | LinusN | petur: ah, yes |
| 11:19:11 | petur | unless that release is coming soon - I can wait a bit |
| 11:19:27 | petur | but it looked so much better :) |
| 11:19:58 | LinusN | petur: is 1.30eu ok? |
| 11:20:06 | petur | sure |
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| 11:21:49 | petur | this also makes me remember that disconnecting from my (dell) laptop also made yours get stuck in the USB screen |
| 11:22:17 | LinusN | not only the bootloader, right? |
| 11:22:22 | petur | (it was yours I think or was that with mine - bad memory) |
| 11:22:40 | petur | no it was in rockbox itself |
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| 11:33:56 | linuxstb | B4gder: It's not important, but do you know why this page (for example) contains two different timestamps? http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/chlog-20070523T071917Z.html Is one the commit time, and the other the time the build started? |
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| 11:52:39 | The-Compiler | Hi |
| 11:53:18 | LinusN | wow - the compiler speaks to me |
| 11:53:39 | GodEater | you must be like Neo in the Matrix Linus :) |
| 11:53:44 | petur | I wonder what it would say to _you_ |
| 11:53:46 | LinusN | hello gcc, what do you want? |
| 11:56:08 | petur | and gcc says: "better code" |
| 11:56:08 | GodEater | hahaha |
| 11:56:08 | Siltaar | talk_id(P2ID(units[unit_no]), true); |
| 11:56:08 | linuxstb | petur: Isn't that what we say to gcc? |
| 11:56:08 | Siltaar | does anyone know where P2ID is defined ? |
| 11:56:08 | petur | heh |
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| 11:56:08 | linuxstb | Siltaar: Probably lang.h, which you will find in your build directory - it's generated by the build system. |
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| 11:56:08 | GodEater | settings.h according to my grep -R |
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| 11:56:08 | linuxstb | Siltaar: No, I'm wrong.... |
| 11:56:08 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK linuxstb |
| 11:56:08 | linuxstb | It's in apps/settings.h |
| 11:56:18 | GodEater | :) |
| 11:57:13 | Siltaar | Ok thanks, I had been checking : lang.h misc talk version ... ... ... :) |
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| 11:58:10 | Siltaar | but a grep -R would have been quicker... |
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| 11:58:46 | bluebrother | hmm −− I'm wondering which compiler talks to LinusN. Is it gcc at all? |
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| 12:00:28 | Nico_P | LinusN, the man who whispered in the ear of compilers |
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| 12:01:13 | petur | the compilerwhisperer |
| 12:01:33 | petur | soon in a DAP near you |
| 12:01:38 | Nico_P | :) |
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| 12:13:39 | * | linuxstb looks at the "cfg file options" thread and wonders if the rockbox mailing list could bounce emails generated by Outlook Express... |
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| 12:31:53 | ender | linuxstb: you could probably do that at the MTA level :) |
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| 13:01:01 | boris85 | hello there |
| 13:01:28 | boris85 | i have a ipod 80g + rockbox question |
| 13:01:42 | boris85 | about the patch#5 posted on flyspray |
| 13:01:58 | boris85 | #4 sorry |
| 13:02:04 | linuxstb | What's the question? |
| 13:02:44 | boris85 | is it fonctionnal yet |
| 13:02:59 | boris85 | cause i installed it and it won't play |
| 13:03:10 | boris85 | i bet it's normal but just to make sure |
| 13:03:13 | linuxstb | It should work - what are you trying to play? |
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| 13:03:31 | linuxstb | And have you used Rockbox before? |
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| 13:03:37 | linuxstb | (on a different player of course) |
| 13:03:51 | boris85 | well any format really |
| 13:03:51 | boris85 | yup h100 |
| 13:04:02 | boris85 | iriver's |
| 13:04:14 | linuxstb | What happens when you try to play a file? |
| 13:04:18 | boris85 | i been a fan since long |
| 13:04:42 | boris85 | in fact the problem seems to occur before showing the normal rb menu |
| 13:04:50 | boris85 | i only tried it once |
| 13:05:19 | boris85 | since it did not work *that* bad i assumed it was its normal behaviour |
| 13:05:31 | boris85 | i m going to try it once again |
| 13:05:39 | boris85 | chotto matte ne? |
| 13:05:47 | linuxstb | Did you compile both your own bootloader and your own Rockbox? |
| 13:06:02 | preglow | japanese don't use question marks! |
| 13:06:04 | boris85 | i've got ipodlinux bootloader... |
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| 13:06:10 | boris85 | they do |
| 13:06:15 | preglow | i don't care :> |
| 13:06:44 | boris85 | i'm not japanese so i would really know |
| 13:07:03 | linuxstb | boris85: Which version of the ipodlinux bootloader? Older (before January 2007) versions don't work correctly with Rockbox any more. |
| 13:07:11 | boris85 | btw anyway of rebooting an ipod from apple os w/out pressing menu+play? |
| 13:07:18 | linuxstb | No |
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| 13:07:38 | boris85 | no its godeater's boot loader 2 |
| 13:07:49 | linuxstb | I've no idea what that is... |
| 13:07:52 | DerPapst | linuxstb: older ones before that don't even support the 80Gb iPod :P |
| 13:08:04 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Fair point... |
| 13:08:08 | boris85 | it's 2.5d6 |
| 13:08:21 | linuxstb | boris85: But anyway, you still haven't told us what happens... |
| 13:08:35 | boris85 | i've got rb bleeding 070522 |
| 13:08:44 | boris85 | patched w/ #4 |
| 13:08:46 | DerPapst | you might have to make a loader cfg. because autodetection is broken in that version |
| 13:09:30 | boris85 | it sort of hangs for about 20s displaying rb splash |
| 13:09:32 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Do you remember a conversation you had in #ipodlinux with DataGhost in January about different values in the MBR on the 80GB ipod video? 08 00 compared with 00 02 ? |
| 13:09:53 | boris85 | i have a cfg. |
| 13:10:00 | DerPapst | well i read flew over the log... |
| 13:10:11 | DerPapst | s/read// |
| 13:10:20 | boris85 | and then when i go into "files" there isn't any files... too bad |
| 13:10:32 | linuxstb | DerPapst: It's not important, but I'm curious if you ever found the reason for it. |
| 13:10:51 | linuxstb | boris85: Obvious question, but have you copied any files? itunes puts your music in a hidden folder called iPod_Control |
| 13:10:53 | DerPapst | afaik not. |
| 13:11:13 | boris85 | another interesting point i've got 772GB of free space, someone wants to buy my ipod? |
| 13:11:25 | boris85 | (according to system menu) |
| 13:11:31 | DerPapst | hehe |
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| 13:11:46 | boris85 | linuxstb: i sure have! |
| 13:12:05 | DerPapst | boris: did you format your fat32 partition in linux? |
| 13:12:24 | boris85 | i don't know, don't remember... |
| 13:12:29 | boris85 | i think i did... |
| 13:12:40 | DerPapst | you have iPL installed i guess... |
| 13:12:41 | boris85 | you think fat16/32? |
| 13:12:51 | boris85 | yes |
| 13:13:03 | DerPapst | nope. it might be a problem with makefs |
| 13:13:09 | boris85 | urgh |
| 13:13:22 | DerPapst | i had this problem too. |
| 13:13:36 | boris85 | what should i do? |
| 13:13:44 | DerPapst | the apple fw faild to write to the fat32 created with makefs |
| 13:13:49 | boris85 | reformat using window$ |
| 13:13:53 | DerPapst | yes |
| 13:13:59 | DerPapst | would be the easiest. |
| 13:14:52 | boris85 | i've had some problems looking like that (corruptions occuring all the time), but i wouldn't affect rb would it? |
| 13:15:31 | linuxstb | If your filesystem is corrupt, then Rockbox won't be happy... |
| 13:15:35 | DerPapst | the odd thing is when you use makefs to format the fat32 partition linux and windows are happy with it. The apple fw is able to read from this partition but it fais writing it. but rockbox refuses to work with the partition at all. |
| 13:16:06 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Do you have a 30GB or 80GB? |
| 13:16:19 | linuxstb | (I assume you've got a 5.5g?) |
| 13:16:21 | DerPapst | 80GB |
| 13:16:41 | boris85 | i have a cool message : *PANIC* \n Writing on sector\n0[a sort of dotted square] |
| 13:17:07 | linuxstb | Then that sounds like a corrupt filesystem... |
| 13:17:13 | boris85 | happened when i pressed the "menu" button in the system menu. |
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| 13:17:52 | DerPapst | linuxstb: if i recall correctly there is a forum post at rb.org which is about that issue. (30GB 5.5G) |
| 13:18:25 | boris85 | ok so i guess i'll have to transfert all the content of my disk on a pc,format and reupload |
| 13:18:31 | DerPapst | they soved it with re-fromatting the partititon in windows. |
| 13:19:07 | boris85 | can i keep the same db files if i reformat? so that i don't have to copy everything w/ itunes... |
| 13:19:31 | boris85 | see what i mean... |
| 13:20:01 | DerPapst | linuxstb: this one: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8681.0 |
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| 13:23:28 | boris85 | well thank you for your help, i'm definitly going to format! |
| 13:24:06 | DerPapst | do so |
| 13:24:21 | boris85 | thank you also for your work on rb. best thing that happened on my h140, best thing that might happen on my ipod! |
| 13:24:22 | DerPapst | tell me if it worked (i'm reading the logs) |
| 13:24:29 | boris85 | ok |
| 13:24:43 | DerPapst | because windows didn't want to format my 80GB iPod last time i tried. |
| 13:24:49 | boris85 | rb4ever <3 |
| 13:24:52 | boris85 | bye |
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| 13:26:20 | DerPapst | time to go... work ;) |
| 13:26:27 | DerPapst | see you |
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| 13:26:59 | * | GodEater managed to find the email address for the CEO of BT Retail this morning, and sent him a long, but polite, complaint email. Five Minutes later someone from his office called and I'm finally starting to see some action out of BT. Woohoo! |
| 13:27:17 | * | petur just managed to get two young birds back out of the office (flew in through the open window) :) |
| 13:27:20 | GodEater | that's more or less completely off topic but I had to share it |
| 13:27:26 | GodEater | :) |
| 13:28:51 | linuxstb | GodEater: Nice result :) |
| 13:29:17 | Cassandra | Congrats on finding the address. I am in awe. |
| 13:29:21 | GodEater | linuxstb: I'll be happiest when I actually have a working phone line / internet connection - but at least someone's taking the time to call *me* rather than the other way round :) |
| 13:29:28 | Cassandra | I usually send paper mail. |
| 13:29:58 | GodEater | I'm willing to share it if anyone else is having similar pain with them |
| 13:30:08 | GodEater | not that it was that tough to find to be honest |
| 13:30:42 | GodEater | a google search for "ceo" and "BT Retail" turned it up pretty fast |
| 13:30:57 | Cassandra | GodEater, look at it this way - at least they're not NTL^WVirgin media, who made me wait three weeks, decided they couldn't give me service the day before, cancelled my installation appointment, but didn't seem to think it was worth mentioning this to me. |
| 13:31:04 | Cassandra | There's a word for people like that. |
| 13:31:07 | GodEater | I'm suspecting it was the CC: to watchdog@bbc.co.uk that really spurred the action :) |
| 13:31:28 | GodEater | Cassandra: I'm well beyond three weeks of waiting now! |
| 13:31:40 | * | petur personally knows the Benelux region manager |
| 13:31:45 | petur | of BT |
| 13:31:51 | GodEater | lucky you! |
| 13:31:56 | linuxstb | petur: Can he help get GodEater a phone line in London? |
| 13:32:18 | Cassandra | Speaking as someone who does a lot of this stuff (complaining) in a semi-professional capacity (I volunteer at the Citizens' Advice Bureau), politeness and persistence are the most important factors in getting results. |
| 13:32:18 | petur | he's the bass player of my fav band ;) |
| 13:32:22 | GodEater | this is from when you kidnapped him and threatened to set his feet on fire for a similar infraction on the continent I guess ? |
| 13:32:40 | GodEater | oh - that's a most disappointing explanation |
| 13:32:45 | GodEater | I preferred mine |
| 13:32:52 | petur | he's a very nice guy |
| 13:33:18 | Cassandra | GodEater, BT came round within a week for me (although they charged me 125 quid for the privilage and missed the first appointment, but then they did actually provide phone service, unlike NTL.) |
| 13:33:41 | GodEater | £125?!?!?! |
| 13:33:46 | GodEater | good god that's pricey |
| 13:34:09 | Cassandra | If you need new wire laying, that's what they charge. :( |
| 13:34:19 | GodEater | ah - I'm fortunate there - I don't |
| 13:35:15 | Cassandra | Also why Virgin won't do it. They don't have a legal obligation to provide service, so basically can't be arsed. |
| 13:35:19 | GodEater | to be fair, the chap who spoke to me this morning was equally nice and coherent. It's just the morons at the call centres I object to |
| 13:35:40 | GodEater | especially having to wait for an hour for them to even pick up the phone |
| 13:37:01 | Cassandra | Yeah, that is annoying. |
| 13:37:13 | Cassandra | Particularly when you're on a mobile so it's not free. |
| 13:37:21 | GodEater | and that's what I've had to put up with every day for three weeks |
| 13:37:32 | GodEater | yeah - I started calling from work to avoid that charge |
| 13:37:54 | markun | GodEater: I worked at a call center. It's really a frustrating job and most of the time I felt like I was the only one who cared about customers. |
| 13:38:08 | GodEater | I can only imagine |
| 13:38:35 | Cassandra | markun: It's why when I get a polite and helpful monkey, I always thank them for going the extra mile. |
| 13:38:50 | GodEater | ultimately it's not their fault either - they can only work with the information that's presented to them. If I blame anything directly it's the infrastructure they have for communicating between the departments |
| 13:39:08 | GodEater | it's clearly extremely useless |
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| 13:39:50 | Cassandra | Their system for transferring ADSL tokens also blows goats, if that's any consolation. |
| 13:39:57 | markun | GodEater: the helpdesks are usually a seperate company and a nice way to avoid taking any responsability |
| 13:41:35 | GodEater | markun: yep - same where I work. Our helpdesk is in Hungary :( |
| 13:43:23 | markun | GodEater: I've also did helpdesk work for TDK, that was quite ok. If you wanted to send someone a CD with drivers, firmware updates or have their CD burner replaced it was quite easy to do so. |
| 13:52:05 | GodEater | I used to work on a helpdesk, but it was a pretty specialised company - there were only three of us when I started. |
| 13:53:03 | aliask | I used to work at a call centre, and it was plagued with system downtime, and inconsistent information. It wasn't fun working there. |
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| 14:07:13 | GodEater | amiconn changed his mind about commiting the new ATA stuff ? |
| 14:09:54 | preglow | he's testing it yet |
| 14:10:22 | GodEater | could have sworn he said this morning he was going to commit it |
| 14:10:40 | * | GodEater looks at his coffee suspiciously |
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| 14:21:09 | B4gder | btw, wasn't the 80GB magic art at least partly figured out by rockbox people? |
| 14:22:47 | LinusN | i believe so |
| 14:23:25 | B4gder | given the request from an ipl person that we gave credit to them, I was curious to see if they mention us anywhere... |
| 14:23:37 | LinusN | well, my small contribution was finding out that the 80gb drive only accepted even sector alignment |
| 14:23:46 | B4gder | ... and I failed |
| 14:24:29 | LinusN | ...which is about all the magic there is about that drive |
| 14:25:55 | preglow | doubt you'll find anything |
| 14:26:46 | LinusN | an ipl person has requested credits for the 80gb support? |
| 14:27:04 | B4gder | no, just in general |
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| 14:27:33 | B4gder | but there's a "thanks to XXX we now support the 5.5G 80GB" post on their site |
| 14:27:35 | LinusN | ah, i see |
| 14:28:56 | preglow | there's an "et al" |
| 14:28:59 | preglow | that could be you :O |
| 14:29:25 | B4gder | yay! |
| 14:30:04 | GodEater | As I recall, DerPapst from the iPL project noticed the the iPL kernel wasn't doing as badly as our kernel was at reading from the drive. LinusN then sussed about the even sector alignment and always having to read two blocks at a time. |
| 14:30:22 | GodEater | DataGhost then went and fixed the iPL kernel so it would work properly |
| 14:30:54 | GodEater | oh, and I figured it was an ATA-7 drive I think. Maybe. |
| 14:30:59 | B4gder | yes, I was more curious about the issue in general |
| 14:31:16 | GodEater | those are the names of the key players I believe :) |
| 14:31:17 | B4gder | they have gotten quite some stuff from us |
| 14:31:56 | GodEater | I'm sure they wouldn't argue |
| 14:32:11 | B4gder | but we didn't credit any other projects either our first 6 years ;-) |
| 14:32:19 | LinusN | where is that post btw? |
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| 14:32:23 | preglow | front page, right |
| 14:32:43 | B4gder | yeah => http://ipodlinux.org/blog/?p=33 |
| 14:32:50 | petur | also mentions as a note that we don't support 80GB |
| 14:33:50 | LinusN | well, we don't |
| 14:34:28 | preglow | when's soc coding officially start again? 29th may? |
| 14:34:35 | aliask | 28th |
| 14:34:38 | GodEater | I think we're implied in the et al :) |
| 14:42:29 | aliask | If something mentions "active low" does that mean active if shorted? |
| 14:42:55 | petur | to ground |
| 14:43:11 | aliask | Cool |
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| 15:01:43 | webguest33 | hi i just installed rockbox, now when I plug it in, i'm not sure how to find it since IPOD doesn't appear on my desktop anymore, running on Ubuntu |
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| 15:02:04 | intgr | webguest33: It should appear as a normal removable disk. |
| 15:02:29 | webguest33 | nod well it doesnt apper on the desktop .... |
| 15:02:33 | webguest33 | guess i'll try reboot or something |
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| 15:18:59 | GodEater | can't have been running Ubuntu long |
| 15:19:03 | GodEater | you don't reboot linux!! |
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| 15:20:22 | webguest57 | yea the latest daily build for ipod 3rd gen results in the ipod not being able to be detected as a normal drive by both Linux & Windows |
| 15:20:26 | GodEater | I ssh in at that point and kill the X server |
| 15:20:29 | B4gder | petur: control-alt-backspace |
| 15:20:29 | petur | w2k didn't do that as much as ubuntu :/ |
| 15:20:34 | B4gder | restarts X |
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| 15:21:03 | GodEater | tbh I think the HAL stuff in linux is overcomplicated |
| 15:21:03 | petur | B4gder: I had it at devcon and it didn't help iirc |
| 15:21:10 | B4gder | oh |
| 15:21:19 | GodEater | I had a go a writing my own rules for mounting devices and I couldn't make it work |
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| 15:21:37 | petur | buggy video driver I figure |
| 15:21:41 | B4gder | indeed |
| 15:21:44 | GodEater | webguest57: try typing "dmesg" in a terminal window after you've connected the iPod and see if it reports seeing it |
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| 15:21:54 | B4gder | I have a buggy driver too, nvidia... |
| 15:22:09 | petur | heh, mine is nvidia as well |
| 15:22:14 | * | GodEater uses the intel i810 driver, which is damn near perfect :) |
| 15:22:22 | B4gder | but my problems are usually very minor |
| 15:22:26 | petur | well I'm not using the nvidia supplied one as that was even worse |
| 15:22:27 | GodEater | runs beryl very well if that's your thing too |
| 15:22:56 | B4gder | I find beryl a fun thing but find no real use for it |
| 15:23:00 | petur | I took ubuntu over kubuntu so I think beryl isn't my thing |
| 15:23:22 | B4gder | GodEater: you use the "shaky" windows settings too etc? |
| 15:23:22 | GodEater | I think beryl is DE agnostic |
| 15:23:24 | webguest57 | ender: dmesg is reporting errors |
| 15:23:26 | petur | I tried the desktop animations and it made me sick |
| 15:23:37 | petur | wobbly windows yuck |
| 15:23:41 | B4gder | indeed |
| 15:23:52 | B4gder | made me dizzy ;-) |
| 15:23:57 | GodEater | B4gder: I don't use them no - I DO like the rotaty virtual desktop though |
| 15:24:01 | webguest57 | usb-1.6: device descriptor read/64, error -62 |
| 15:24:05 | webguest57 | i get a bunch of them when i connect it |
| 15:24:09 | * | petur stops OT alarm bell |
| 15:24:19 | B4gder | I find it amusing to rotate the desktop, but i didn't actually _use_ it |
| 15:24:19 | GodEater | webguest57: sounds like the drive may be damaged |
| 15:24:33 | GodEater | I also LOVE window transparency |
| 15:24:37 | B4gder | I had it over two screens too and it was fun |
| 15:24:37 | webguest57 | and usb-1.6: device not accepting address 14, error -62 |
| 15:24:40 | GodEater | it actually comes in useful |
| 15:24:51 | GodEater | webguest57: again, sounds like the drive is damaged |
| 15:24:57 | webguest57 | GodEater: well, with the regular IPOD stuff, it was mounting fine? |
| 15:25:08 | GodEater | webguest57: restore it in iTunes then |
| 15:25:35 | GodEater | webguest57: Rockbox has *NOTHING* to do with the USB support on the iPod - we don't mess with it, so if it's not working, it's nothing to do with rockbox |
| 15:26:33 | GodEater | B4gder: I've never had a machine with enough gfx cards to try multi-head support. One day :) |
| 15:27:02 | webguest57 | kk |
| 15:27:08 | webguest57 | how do i reboot with the original firmware? |
| 15:27:19 | * | petur sees no practical use at all in window transparency |
| 15:27:20 | webguest57 | nevermind found it |
| 15:27:43 | petur | bah, I start talking like a linux geek |
| 15:27:59 | B4gder | haha, you have been assimilated... well soon anyway |
| 15:28:14 | petur | yesterday I was using commandline on windows again |
| 15:28:29 | petur | hadn't done that in years |
| 15:29:38 | webguest57 | yea i just booted into the original firmware and it shows up fine as IPOD on my directory... |
| 15:31:11 | linuxstb | webguest57: I don't think Rockbox on the ipod 3rd gen has ever had USB detection, so you will need to reboot manually into the Apple firmware. |
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| 15:32:07 | GodEater | oh, it's 3rd gen? I missed that. |
| 15:33:17 | webguest57 | yea 3rd gen doesnt have usb support? the 3rd gen guide seems to indicate it does |
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| 15:33:54 | linuxstb | Which 3rd gen guide? |
| 15:34:11 | webguest57 | the one from the rockbox site.. |
| 15:35:22 | linuxstb | I assume you mean the manual? Not many Rockbox people (maybe just one person) has a 3rd Gen, so it's not impossible that the manual is inaccurate in places. |
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| 15:35:59 | linuxstb | webguest57: So if you find inaccuracies, please report them - posting them as bug reports is the most effective. |
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| 15:38:00 | linuxstb | Fair enough... |
| 15:38:46 | GodEater | yeah or just go sulk somewhere |
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| 15:54:21 | petur | LinusN: running your bootloader. there's something wrong in bootloader usb mode: I've had it either not showing up at all in windows, or giving a crash (I03: Address) |
| 15:54:46 | LinusN | strange |
| 15:55:00 | petur | this is on my dell screen hub at work (which somebody told me is only usb 1.1) |
| 15:55:18 | petur | will try at home too tonight |
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| 15:55:38 | LinusN | really odd, it works for me here |
| 15:56:02 | petur | will test more and let you know if I can see some pattern |
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| 15:58:27 | petur | booting into OF since a long time, I haven't seen the corrupted params as I used to, I wonder if that got somehow fixed |
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| 16:00:59 | petur | LinusN: urgh - it hangs at power-up after showing the batt voltage - not doing anything USB related at all |
| 16:01:26 | * | petur puts spare paperclip in wallet to be sure |
| 16:01:38 | LinusN | ouch |
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| 16:02:56 | petur | bah... got it several times in a row, booting now :/ |
| 16:03:37 | LinusN | that sucks big time |
| 16:03:56 | petur | happens at least 50% of the time |
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| 16:04:15 | petur | wonder if it's related to my 80GB disk? |
| 16:04:19 | LinusN | when you insert usb? |
| 16:04:35 | petur | nono, just booting with the ON button |
| 16:04:43 | LinusN | badness |
| 16:04:51 | petur | see, we should have done this at devcon ;) |
| 16:04:56 | LinusN | lol |
| 16:04:58 | B4gder | the brand new rockbox booting game |
| 16:05:04 | B4gder | bootbox! |
| 16:06:31 | XavierGr | petur: what do you mean the new bootloader, the one that fixes USB connection problems for most of us? |
| 16:07:02 | petur | I'll try flashing it again at home (maybe related to those reports that you need to flash it twice) and then I'll revert back to v5 |
| 16:07:27 | petur | XavierGr: don't know which one you use |
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| 16:07:46 | nardul | Heyhey |
| 16:07:49 | XavierGr | strange, for those that had the dreaded bootloader USB mode problem the new "unreleased bootloader" fixed it |
| 16:07:59 | XavierGr | and now you say that you have problems with it |
| 16:08:04 | petur | major baddness here :/ |
| 16:08:14 | XavierGr | it seems that a single bootloader can't keep all users happy |
| 16:08:27 | nardul | I just installed rockbox on my not 2 hours old ipod. I read most o the manual, but it said nothing about where to place the music :P |
| 16:08:46 | petur | nardul: choose your own dir structure |
| 16:08:47 | B4gder | nardul: place it anywhere you like |
| 16:08:48 | XavierGr | nardul: in your dick? |
| 16:08:50 | XavierGr | disk |
| 16:08:52 | XavierGr | oops |
| 16:08:54 | XavierGr | sorry |
| 16:08:57 | XavierGr | lame type |
| 16:08:59 | XavierGr | typo |
| 16:09:07 | petur | rofl |
| 16:09:18 | nardul | eh |
| 16:09:22 | nardul | Right |
| 16:09:26 | nardul | Thanks then :) |
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| 16:09:32 | petur | "a dirty mind...." |
| 16:09:41 | XavierGr | no really sorry, I am ashamed :( |
| 16:10:02 | * | linuxstb is still laughing... |
| 16:12:01 | amiconn | B4gder: 'bootbox' is already taken... |
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| 16:13:06 | * | petur thinks amiconn is spoiling the joke |
| 16:13:24 | petur | amibox! |
| 16:16:26 | * | bluebrother wonders what we should do about FS #7204 |
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| 16:17:36 | B4gder | it goes beyond me |
| 16:19:14 | LinusN | that is pretty hard to make configurable and have good performance |
| 16:19:36 | LinusN | methinks |
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| 16:20:19 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Maybe see what preglow thinks. |
| 16:20:49 | * | amiconn wonders what people want more eq filters for |
| 16:20:52 | crop | Is it possible to customize the layout of the task view in FS? The old layout was way better imho. |
| 16:21:53 | B4gder | I don't think so |
| 16:22:01 | linuxstb | crop: I'm not a big fan of the new look either, but I guess I'll get used to it... |
| 16:22:15 | crop | E.g. there is no vspace between the comments. Very hard to read. |
| 16:22:32 | B4gder | perhaps the css can be tweaked |
| 16:22:39 | preglow | i think it looks good |
| 16:23:03 | crop | What is the advantage of the new version? It should outweigh the bugs in the view |
| 16:23:04 | preglow | could be some vspace, i give you that |
| 16:23:09 | linuxstb | preglow: You know me, just a grumpy old man who doesn't like change... |
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| 16:23:10 | petur | heh... talk about EQ filters and preglow shows up ;) |
| 16:23:27 | linuxstb | Almost as reliable as the B word |
| 16:23:46 | preglow | heh |
| 16:23:59 | preglow | adding more eq features would pretty much only be a gui code job |
| 16:24:05 | preglow | hence, i'm not touching it |
| 16:24:20 | linuxstb | Do you think it's a sensible idea? |
| 16:24:28 | preglow | not really, no |
| 16:24:39 | crop | B4gder: where is that css? Is it http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/themes/Rockbox/theme.css ? |
| 16:24:47 | preglow | one could always argue for more eq bands |
| 16:24:55 | preglow | but i don't see the point in tweaking filter types |
| 16:25:13 | preglow | the arrangement with two shelving filters and the rest peaking filters is pretty standard |
| 16:26:26 | crop | And the placement / alignment of the labels "Username", "Password" etc is... ehm weird |
| 16:29:08 | nardul | How paranoid am i being if i don't want to reboot my computer because i just attached my ipod to load the battery for the first time, and i don't want interruptions? |
| 16:29:51 | B4gder | why would you reboot? |
| 16:30:03 | nardul | Going into windows. A firend wants to play. |
| 16:30:10 | crop | Has any progress on WMA codec been made? I've converted the few wma songs I had to mp3 for now. So that's not very important to me. But just out of curiosity. |
| 16:30:34 | B4gder | crop: saratoga has that project in his lap for the summer |
| 16:30:44 | B4gder | gsoc |
| 16:31:19 | crop | ah... |
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| 16:31:22 | nardul | Anyone? |
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| 16:32:05 | preglow | merbanan: no news on the fixed point wma front, i take it? :/ |
| 16:33:42 | markun | nardul: what does paranoia have to do with it? |
| 16:33:50 | linuxstb | preglow: There's been nothing on the mailing list at least... |
| 16:34:13 | nardul | markun, Just a phrasing, the question is, does it really matter if the initial charge id disturbed for a few seconds? |
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| 16:34:47 | preglow | linuxstb: what he's mentioned about wma fixed point has been conducted off-list, i think |
| 16:34:59 | preglow | linuxstb: at least he tried pinging him off-list |
| 16:35:00 | markun | nardul: I'm not li-ion expert, but I don't think it will be a big problem |
| 16:35:20 | linuxstb | preglow: There was an initial discussion on-list, but nothing since around early April I think. |
| 16:35:28 | markun | nardul: maybe they have an answer: http://www.batteryuniversity.com/ |
| 16:36:01 | markun | nardul: " Lithium-ion is a very clean system and does not need priming as nickel-based batteries do. The 1st charge is no different to the 5th or the 50th charge." |
| 16:36:23 | markun | nardul: so yes, you can just stop charging and continue later |
| 16:36:32 | preglow | linuxstb: that sucks to a major degree |
| 16:36:46 | preglow | i was very much hoping the fixed point part would be out of our hands |
| 16:37:10 | nardul | markun, hmm, weird, sales people are known to be "idiots", but he didn't know that. |
| 16:37:52 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes, that would have been very nice. Now Saratoga has to work for his money ;) |
| 16:38:01 | preglow | very much so |
| 16:38:32 | markun | nardul: check the site, I think they know what they are talking about |
| 16:38:51 | nardul | I am |
| 16:38:56 | nardul | Thanks!! |
| 16:39:38 | markun | but I have also been told by mobile phone salesmen that it's very important to fully charge the first time and completely drain the battery every time. The first is not true and the last part is not very healthy for li-ion batteries |
| 16:39:39 | preglow | someone code me type of banana that doesn't have a boring taste, please |
| 16:40:14 | petur | soak it in beer? |
| 16:40:25 | preglow | i've tasted banana beer and it was horrible |
| 16:40:45 | markun | preglow: what about coconut beer? |
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| 16:41:02 | markun | and beer with a strong taste of rice |
| 16:41:06 | preglow | i've seen it, but people say it really doesn't taste beer, so i've skipped tasting it thus far |
| 16:43:13 | preglow | i don't think rice really adds much taste to a beer |
| 16:43:23 | preglow | which is why it's used so much in american light beers |
| 16:43:27 | preglow | together with corn |
| 16:44:08 | markun | I once had a very nice beer in a tibetan restaurant with a strong rice taste |
| 16:44:37 | markun | too bad I didn't think to ask for the name of the beer |
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| 16:52:46 | Alldogship | hmm... does rockbox change the ipod firmware? |
| 16:52:57 | B4gder | no |
| 16:53:04 | n1s | Alldogship: it shouldn't |
| 16:53:28 | Alldogship | good, so my problem isn't there |
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| 17:47:52 | GodEater | amiconn ? |
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| 17:52:54 | webguest95 | hi |
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| 17:53:47 | GodEater | hi webguest95 |
| 17:54:01 | webguest95 | where i can find PP5021 datasheet? |
| 17:54:15 | bluebrother | you can't. It isn't publically available |
| 17:54:47 | GodEater | but maybe in a dumpster around the back of PortalPlayer's offices ? :) |
| 17:55:02 | GodEater | and if you find one, can we have a copy ? |
| 17:55:29 | webguest95 | :) |
| 17:55:39 | webguest95 | GodEater> ok. NP :) |
| 17:56:44 | GodEater | seriously, if you find one somewhere - come and talk to us |
| 17:57:36 | webguest95 | ok |
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| 18:03:38 | linuxstb | webguest95: Out of curiousity, why are you looking for it? |
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| 18:06:55 | intgr | If I have an ancient MP3 player with non-upgradeable (to my knowledge) firmware then would it do any good if I uploaded scans to the wiki? |
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| 18:12:50 | preglow | little |
| 18:13:02 | preglow | since it'd be brainsurgery to upload anything new to it anyway |
| 18:15:07 | intgr | Why brain surgery? :) |
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| 19:15:43 | nls | bluebrother: I was just about to close that :-) |
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| 19:26:16 | linuxstb | bluebrother: There's a perfectly suitable fixed-point Realaudio (Cook) decoder in ffmpeg... |
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| 19:32:40 | bluebrother | linuxstb: I was more referring to that "more" with that statement than to a specific format |
| 19:33:25 | bluebrother | but I guess real audio is much less interesting than wma ;-) |
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| 19:34:14 | linuxstb | There are still a fair amount of webcasts and radio stations streaming in realaudio... But it does seem to be disappearing. |
| 19:35:05 | * | ender` yawns |
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| 19:39:41 | E2k | hi anyone here who could help me with a strange rockbox problem |
| 19:39:46 | E2k | ? |
| 19:39:57 | nls | E2k: ask away |
| 19:40:45 | E2k | if i listen to some music after a while the display doesnt change anymone and the keys are not respnsive |
| 19:40:58 | E2k | but if i tuoch them the backlight goes on |
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| 19:41:21 | nls | which player, build and bootloader do you use? |
| 19:41:34 | E2k | ipod 5.5 30gb |
| 19:41:46 | E2k | bootloader link from manual |
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| 19:41:56 | E2k | and the newest build |
| 19:42:20 | nls | so music keeps playing, and the backlight works but the display seems to lock up? |
| 19:42:26 | E2k | jop |
| 19:42:40 | * | amiconn decided to commit the simplest version of the 80GB patch with a single sector cache |
| 19:42:53 | nls | what kind of files do you play? |
| 19:42:58 | E2k | mp3 |
| 19:43:20 | E2k | i pay them throu the database |
| 19:43:27 | E2k | not the file browser |
| 19:43:38 | linuxstb | amiconn: Should I build some bootloaders and make a new ipodpatcher release, or are there improvements coming in the very near future? |
| 19:43:39 | E2k | another stange thing is |
| 19:43:45 | E2k | if i plug in the usb |
| 19:43:52 | E2k | the music stops |
| 19:43:57 | nls | ok, well I have no idea what may cause this issue, have you tried older builds? |
| 19:43:58 | E2k | the display stays |
| 19:44:22 | E2k | and anfter maybe 10 minutes it reboots to hard disk mode |
| 19:44:28 | nls | E2k: if you plugin usb it should enter apple diskmode, and stop music |
| 19:44:37 | E2k | music stops |
| 19:44:42 | E2k | no reboot |
| 19:44:51 | E2k | only after a big while |
| 19:45:44 | E2k | oh and the locked symbol apears at the top |
| 19:45:54 | E2k | but cant swich it off |
| 19:46:06 | E2k | very strange behaviour |
| 19:46:08 | linuxstb | The locked symbol means the hold switch is on... |
| 19:46:18 | E2k | yes but it isnt |
| 19:46:32 | E2k | and hasnt been used |
| 19:46:36 | linuxstb | Have you been using Rockbox for long? |
| 19:46:40 | E2k | nope |
| 19:46:44 | E2k | 2 days now |
| 19:46:57 | linuxstb | So I assume the Apple firmware didn't have the same problem? |
| 19:47:11 | E2k | no the apple firmware seems fine |
| 19:47:15 | E2k | no problems there |
| 19:47:34 | linuxstb | So the lock symbol appears when you insert USB? |
| 19:47:52 | linuxstb | And normally the lock symbol isn't there? |
| 19:47:55 | E2k | it happened just two times |
| 19:48:11 | E2k | when i was listening to music |
| 19:48:22 | E2k | and then tried to swich it off |
| 19:48:33 | E2k | i noticed this bug |
| 19:49:48 | E2k | i am try ing to reproduce it right now |
| 19:49:58 | E2k | resetted the ipod |
| 19:50:43 | E2k | selected the first song of an album in the database |
| 19:51:03 | E2k | lets see if it happens again |
| 19:51:58 | amiconn | linuxstb: I think we should release a new bootloader + ipodpatcher (+rbutil) |
| 19:53:01 | linuxstb | amiconn: OK. rbutil doesn't need updating - it downloads the bootloaders, rather than embedding them. |
| 19:53:06 | amiconn | Changing the FAT driver and fs will be a lot more work and hence won't happen soon. And since the bootloader doesn't need to write, there is no performance problem |
| 19:56:19 | amiconn | linuxstb: Do we now know what amount of RAM the G5.5/30GB has? |
| 19:56:28 | Nico_P | amiconn: hurray ! :D |
| 19:56:39 | linuxstb | amiconn: I assume it's 32MB, but it's only an assumption. |
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| 19:56:50 | amiconn | assume != know |
| 19:57:02 | linuxstb | That's what I said. |
| 19:57:51 | amiconn | Someone should just try a 64MB build on a G5.5/30GB |
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| 19:59:31 | a1titude | I'm so confused by looking at the "todays" irc log, whats happening with the 80gb patch? lol |
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| 20:01:45 | linuxstb | a1titude: It was committed about 5 minutes ago... |
| 20:02:28 | a1titude | really, cool |
| 20:02:31 | amiconn | wow |
| 20:02:56 | * | amiconn wouldn't have expected this piece of code to add almost one KB :( |
| 20:02:59 | a1titude | ahh, its there now! I see it. |
| 20:03:27 | lini | are there any major differences between the patch in FS #6549 and the commit? |
| 20:03:39 | a1titude | Still slow then I take it amiconn? |
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| 20:04:34 | amiconn | lini: There are differences. The latest patch uses 2 sector buffers, the committed version only uses one |
| 20:04:51 | Nico_P | amiconn: it's quite a lot of code... adding 1k is easy |
| 20:04:58 | amiconn | This speeds up directory scan a bit, all other operations stay the same |
| 20:05:04 | lini | ok |
| 20:05:12 | E2k | ok |
| 20:05:18 | E2k | i locked up again |
| 20:05:18 | a1titude | well, good work getting this far! :) |
| 20:05:26 | lini | I noticed that the 5.5G 80gb boots a little bit slower than the 30GB 5G |
| 20:05:36 | amiconn | I could have sped up other directory operations by using 8 buffers or more, but imho it's not worth it |
| 20:05:37 | lini | using the same bootloader/firmware |
| 20:05:45 | lini | but it's no big deal |
| 20:05:52 | E2k | the any ideas |
| 20:06:17 | amiconn | Sequential writing would still stay as slow as now |
| 20:06:28 | a1titude | now the question is, when is it installable? |
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| 20:10:15 | DerPapst | <B4gder> given the request from an ipl person that we gave credit to them, I was curious to see if they mention us anywhere... |
| 20:10:16 | DerPapst | The ipl person was me. And i wanted you to credit the iPL project because rockbox uses a lot documentation from iPL and most of the drivers for 3G to 5G (except the optimized vodeo driver. and we didn't forget that. http://www.ipodlinux.org/blog/?p=26 ) |
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| 20:10:37 | DerPapst | *video driver |
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| 20:11:39 | a1titude | ahh, why is windows update so annoying, well looks like I have to restart my computer again! *sighs* |
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| 20:12:37 | robin0800 | has any one compiled the build for the ipod video by inputing 64? when using make I get an inisilsation warning in plugin.c |
| 20:12:42 | petur | DerPapst: ipl is mentioned in the CREDITS file |
| 20:13:01 | petur | I admit this was done only some days ago |
| 20:13:20 | Lear | Anyone against my bookmark patch? |
| 20:14:05 | Llorean | Lear: You should ask on the mailing list. |
| 20:14:10 | DerPapst | petur: right. after i requested it ;) |
| 20:14:28 | Lear | I've mentioned it there, though it was on the developer list... |
| 20:14:36 | petur | sure, but leaving ipl out was not done on purpose |
| 20:14:38 | Llorean | It's been said pretty clearly now, if you're uncertain about a patch the mailing list is where to go because IRC only necessarily gets seen by the people watching the screen at the right time. |
| 20:14:42 | DerPapst | "requested" sounds a bit hard in this context though |
| 20:15:22 | petur | adding the other projects to the credits file is a direct result of the first meeting of devcon2007 |
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| 20:15:38 | DerPapst | petur: i know. i wasn't complaining or anything. |
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| 20:16:12 | linuxstb | DerPapst: If I was around when the first commit to the CREDITS file was made to add other projects, I would have mentioned IPL as well ;) |
| 20:16:36 | robin0800 | should there be two cvs ipodvideo builds now the 64MB patch is in the cvs build only has 32 at present |
| 20:16:54 | Llorean | There should be no CVS builds because we're on SVN |
| 20:17:10 | robin0800 | ok svn then |
| 20:17:12 | Llorean | But I think there was talk on adding a 64mb build |
| 20:17:42 | Lear | Checked the current build page lately? :) |
| 20:17:42 | amiconn | There is a 64MB build... |
| 20:17:47 | robin0800 | can you see my earlier question |
| 20:17:49 | DerPapst | i just said the abouve because it sounded in log like i've only requested to have iPL in the creditsfile because "we figured out the 5.5G 80GB" which isn't true. It was teamwork of both projects. |
| 20:17:58 | DerPapst | *above |
| 20:18:33 | Llorean | robin0800: I see a 64mb current build. What's the question then? |
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| 20:20:17 | robin0800 | well i get a warning on plugin.c when i use 64mb |
| 20:20:43 | amiconn | The build system doesn't throw a warning |
| 20:20:51 | amiconn | So you must be doing something different |
| 20:21:32 | robin0800 | the build system is built with 32mb isin't? |
| 20:21:43 | Llorean | robin0800: There's a 64mb one too. |
| 20:21:54 | robin0800 | where? |
| 20:22:00 | Llorean | Look at the Current Build page? |
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| 20:22:27 | Llorean | It's the one that says "64MB" after the words "Ipod Video" |
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| 20:22:40 | robin0800 | I mised it sorry |
| 20:23:52 | robin0800 | I have a nasty feeling this must be the album art patch then |
| 20:24:31 | amiconn | Well, "a warning" isn't very specific... |
| 20:25:08 | robin0800 | inislising pointer in plugin.c |
| 20:26:18 | Llorean | Wait, so you complained about an error without testing on a clean build? |
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| 20:31:49 | XavierGr | shouldn't the main page be updated to indicate that 80GB ipods are supported now? |
| 20:32:15 | nls | XavierGr: a new ipodpatcher should be built first... |
| 20:32:16 | XavierGr | (or just remove the "(30GB and 60GB models only)" |
| 20:32:21 | XavierGr | ah okay then |
| 20:32:23 | amiconn | Only after releasing the new bootloader + ipodpatcher |
| 20:33:19 | XavierGr | amiconn: do you think it would be possible to mod my ondio with a normal led? |
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| 20:34:02 | XavierGr | instead of just put the EL foil and the correct circuitry I maybe could stack a LED in there |
| 20:34:14 | XavierGr | I just don't know the wirings or if it requires more than just a LED |
| 20:34:17 | nls | Lear: does building for coldfire with gcc 4.1 bring any benefits? |
| 20:34:46 | Lear_ | Not that I know of, really, but since the change was so small... |
| 20:35:14 | Lear_ | Haven't made any proper test though, e.g., using the new codec tester plugin. |
| 20:35:22 | nls | Lear_: so is it difficult to set up or just compile a new gcc/binutils? |
| 20:36:58 | Lear_ | Well, 4.1.x is pretty easy (IIRC), at least if you use binutils 2.16.1. To use binutils 2.17, you really need 4.3, which isn't out yet (but that really needs a binutils _newer_ than 2.17)... :) |
| 20:36:59 | amiconn | XavierGr: For a LED backlight you would need a proper light frame + diffusor, and there isn't enough room behind the LCD to fit that |
| 20:37:42 | nls | Lear_: ok, thanks I might give it a go... |
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| 20:38:08 | XavierGr | yeah I know about those diffusors to deflect the light properly but I don't have that choice, I just need something to light some part of the screen, I could also cut the front of the LED to make light spread further |
| 20:39:01 | XavierGr | my main concern is do I just solder the LED on the motherboard or do I need further elements? (chips, resistors etc) |
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| 20:39:03 | nardul | Hey |
| 20:39:14 | nardul | A question, how do i get out of usb disk mode? |
| 20:39:23 | nardul | Well |
| 20:39:23 | linuxstb | Testers needed for new ipodpatcher - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-1.1.zip |
| 20:39:32 | nardul | I can unplug it, but is there some way to shut it down? |
| 20:39:57 | linuxstb | New set of bootloaders is here - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/bootloaders.zip (amiconn - can you build for amd64?) |
| 20:40:31 | DerPapst | linuxstb: the version of ipodpatcher still detects my both ipods well (5.5G 3G) |
| 20:40:59 | Llorean | nardul: We have no idea what player you're talking about, so it's a little hard for anyone to help |
| 20:41:42 | DerPapst | linuxstb: since you've only changed the way it detects the ipod i haven't tested the installation of the bootloader or any other functions. |
| 20:41:46 | nardul | Llorean, ah, yeah, an ipod :) It's because i've been in here soo many times. 5.5g |
| 20:42:17 | Llorean | If you're in USB mode because you plugged in a USB cable in Rockbox, unplugging it should lead to it restarting. |
| 20:42:30 | Llorean | If you manually entered USB mode, you'll have to manually restart, that's the way the Apple firmware works. |
| 20:43:04 | amiconn | Llorean: I thought it would be like that on all ipods, but the G5.5/80 is different... |
| 20:43:13 | nardul | Llorean, It's in rockbox, it just says "don't unplug" so i was wondering if there was a way i ought to shut it down first, thanks. |
| 20:43:29 | Llorean | nardul: It's not in Rockbox, Rockbox doesn't have a USB mode. |
| 20:43:33 | Llorean | amiconn: The 80gb requires a manual restart? |
| 20:43:35 | DerPapst | Llorean: if i enter diskmode manually it reboots after 15 seconds if not connected (5.5G 80GB) |
| 20:43:44 | amiconn | Llorean: No, the opposite |
| 20:43:53 | nardul | Llorean, I know, but rockbox automatically reboots into it |
| 20:43:55 | Llorean | Ah |
| 20:43:59 | amiconn | Diskmode reboots after unplugging even if entered manually |
| 20:44:04 | Llorean | amiconn: Ah, interesting |
| 20:44:21 | Llorean | nardul: Yes, but it's not "in Rockbox", I just wanted to make sure you were aware of that. |
| 20:44:36 | DerPapst | the 30GB 5.5G uses the same aupd image.. so in theory it should act the same |
| 20:44:40 | Llorean | nardul: It should automatically reboot after properly ejecting and unplugging then. If it doesn't, you'll have to reset. |
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| 20:45:18 | nardul | Llorean, It does, just wanted to amke sure i didn't have to hold a button. Thanks for your help. |
| 20:45:19 | amiconn | linuxstb: Btw, the debug menu reports that the G5.5/80 has a PP5022C. Iirc the other G5s use the PP5021C ? |
| 20:46:00 | linuxstb | I didn't know the debug menu did that... I wonder where the info comes from. |
| 20:48:34 | amiconn | It reads the PP version string from 0x70000000 and 0x70000004 |
| 20:49:00 | amiconn | And for some reason the HW rev reported on the G5.5/80 is 0xffffffff |
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| 20:49:29 | linuxstb | Yes, I've just got there... The HW revision doesn't work for any 5/5.5g |
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| 20:49:44 | amiconn | hmm |
| 20:50:22 | linuxstb | That's a hack still there from the very early days of the port - it's read a magic location in flash, so is done in the bootloader. Now we remap flash, we could just do it in Rockbox itself... |
| 20:50:55 | linuxstb | It's only needed on the Photo/Color - to help distinguish between the two LCD types. |
| 20:51:46 | amiconn | Well, we could also use it to distinguish mini G1/G2, but there are more differences than just the LCD data ports |
| 20:52:16 | amiconn | ...like buttons+wheel |
| 20:53:32 | linuxstb | The two mini builds don't seem have caused any problems so far, so I can't see a big need for merging them. |
| 20:53:51 | linuxstb | But it's always nice to reduce builds. |
| 20:53:54 | amiconn | Oh, and even the PP |
| 20:54:21 | * | amiconn wonders what PP is in the G5.5/30 |
| 20:55:12 | linuxstb | Interesting, my 30GB 5g (bought very soon after release) also says PP5022C in the debug menu. |
| 20:56:25 | amiconn | Hehe, and my mini G2 says PP5022B |
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| 20:57:17 | Ghoulunatic | hey rockboxers |
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| 20:58:29 | * | linuxstb pings Bagder to do some download server work |
| 20:59:23 | amiconn | Hmm, someone should check PP version on a nano |
| 20:59:28 | * | amiconn has a suspicion |
| 20:59:54 | DerPapst | PP5033A? :P |
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| 21:00:04 | DerPapst | s/33/22 |
| 21:00:16 | linuxstb | I would guess PP5022C |
| 21:00:58 | DerPapst | amiconn: 2G mini? |
| 21:01:19 | Ghoulunatic | Got a question, I need serious halp |
| 21:01:22 | preglow | amiconn: i've got a nano, but i can't in any way open it |
| 21:01:29 | a1titude | when is ipod patcher going to be realesed for the 80GB? sorry I'm really kinda exsited about this! lol |
| 21:01:35 | preglow | the last time i tried, i just succeeded in bending the back cover somewhat |
| 21:01:37 | amiconn | preglow: Debug->View HW info |
| 21:01:40 | Ghoulunatic | I installed the newest build for my Gigabeat F series, and now I'm getting a "Codec Failure" message |
| 21:01:44 | preglow | amiconn: that i can do |
| 21:02:01 | preglow | pp5022c |
| 21:02:06 | linuxstb | a1titude: Too excited to read the logs? |
| 21:02:09 | * | amiconn expected that now |
| 21:02:21 | amiconn | My suspicion is that the PP5021 doesn't exist |
| 21:02:36 | linuxstb | Dissection photos say PP5021 on the chip |
| 21:02:41 | linuxstb | s/say/show/ |
| 21:02:48 | amiconn | There is no product brief for it unlike the 5002, 5020, 5022 and 5024 |
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| 21:03:17 | linuxstb | I'm sure I've seen references to it though - in press releases etc. |
| 21:03:23 | amiconn | That is probably to confuse people. Iirc there are also PP chips with no printed type number on them |
| 21:03:44 | linuxstb | e.g. here - http://news.worldofapple.com/archives/2006/04/20/portalplayer-loses-deal-with-apple/ |
| 21:03:55 | a1titude | linuxstb: tbh, I don't know what I'm looking for in the log! |
| 21:04:03 | DerPapst | Generation wiki over at iPL says that mini 1G have pp5020 and 2G minis have pp5022 |
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| 21:04:18 | amiconn | DerPapst: Yes, that's correct |
| 21:04:27 | amiconn | There seems to be a revision letter as well |
| 21:04:41 | linuxstb | a1titude: I uploaded the new ipodpatcher here - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-1.1.zip |
| 21:05:01 | amiconn | linuxstb: A simple check: Try to use 128KB of IRAM... |
| 21:05:23 | a1titude | ahh, thank you (well its one of those days where my brain was washed out in the shower! ha) |
| 21:05:28 | bluebrother | Ghoulunatic: this indicates you didn't unzip the file correctly −− you need to replace all files in the .rockbox folder |
| 21:05:35 | Ghoulunatic | ok |
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| 21:05:48 | bluebrother | also, make sure there is no file rockbox.gigabeat in the root folder |
| 21:05:51 | Ghoulunatic | I dunno how that happened, but I'll unzip it again |
| 21:06:03 | Ghoulunatic | ok |
| 21:06:16 | bluebrother | (that file is now inside the .rockbox folder) |
| 21:06:53 | * | preglow wants docs on the nano g2 hardware... |
| 21:07:05 | Ghoulunatic | Ok, now my Gigabeat won't show up in my explorer |
| 21:07:05 | a1titude | so the 80gb ipod port is good to go then I take it... |
| 21:07:15 | Ghoulunatic | I got the confirmation that it connected |
| 21:07:27 | linuxstb | amiconn: Maybe the PP5021 was made especially for Apple (hence no public brief). We know there is 128KB of IRAM, because the reboot-to-USB procedure involves writing some magic to the end of IRAM, and that's based on 128KB for the Nano, Video and 2nd Gen Mini. |
| 21:07:30 | DerPapst | a1titude: already in SVN |
| 21:08:03 | amiconn | linuxstb: But why does it report PP5022C then? |
| 21:08:08 | a1titude | yeah, I've got it! :) thanks - If I find any bugs, I'll keep you updated. |
| 21:08:10 | linuxstb | That I can't answer... |
| 21:08:22 | amiconn | The "real" PP5022 (in the mini G2) says PP5022B |
| 21:09:05 | DerPapst | The PP in the nano is listed as "PP5021C-TDF" in the generations wiki... |
| 21:09:29 | linuxstb | Maybe it started life as a revision of the 5022, and then the marketing people wanted to give it a new number... |
| 21:10:10 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Yes, same as this photo of a 5g shows - http://media.arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/video-ipod.media/ipodvideo-mainchips.jpg |
| 21:10:16 | Ghoulunatic | bluebrother: i just remembered, I forgot to do the Battery switch thing |
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| 21:11:21 | preglow | linuxstb: i assume you don't know of any advances on cracking the samsung chips? |
| 21:11:33 | linuxstb | amiconn: Can you build an amd64 ipodpatcher? I can add it to my zip ready for Bagder. |
| 21:11:43 | * | DerPapst is afk (doing some stupid sports :P) |
| 21:11:49 | linuxstb | preglow: You assume correctly. |
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| 21:13:12 | preglow | linuxstb: they look far nicer than portalplayer... |
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| 21:13:25 | Ghoulunatic | Ok, so now I'm frozen at the splash screen |
| 21:13:28 | linuxstb | They do, none of that dual-core nonsense... |
| 21:14:48 | Ghoulunatic | I'm gonna pull my hair out.. |
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| 21:15:19 | preglow | oh, there is dual core, but the other core is a high performance dsp! |
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| 21:15:38 | preglow | which it's perfectly safe to ignore, to boot |
| 21:16:54 | amiconn | linuxstb: I can try... if I would only remember the procedure :/ |
| 21:17:17 | crichardson | i have a question i was looking at the project and was woundering if a song rating feature has been developed? |
| 21:18:12 | linuxstb | amiconn: Read the top of the Makefile in rbutil/ipodpatcher and download bootloaders.zip from http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/bootloaders.zip |
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| 21:20:40 | Ghoulunatic | So is my Gigabeat bricked? |
| 21:20:46 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:21:20 | linuxstb | Ghoulunatic: Which splash screen does it freeze at? The initial Toshiba screen, or the Rockbox logo? |
| 21:21:32 | Ghoulunatic | the Rockbox logo |
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| 21:21:45 | linuxstb | Ghoulunatic: You've installed the latest bootloader? |
| 21:21:54 | Ghoulunatic | no |
| 21:22:31 | Ghoulunatic | unless there is a way to force a connection to my computer, I can't |
| 21:22:53 | linuxstb | You can hold a button (I think it's MENU) to enter USB mode in the old version of the Rockbox bootloader. |
| 21:23:14 | Ghoulunatic | when do I do that? |
| 21:23:16 | linuxstb | In the new version, the bootloader will automatically enter USB mode if it detects a connection whilst booting. |
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| 21:23:30 | linuxstb | As soon as you start your gigabeat - as the bootloader is running. |
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| 21:23:49 | linuxstb | The screen should display "USB mode" or "Recovery mode" or something similar. |
| 21:23:59 | linuxstb | You can then attach to your computer. |
| 21:24:22 | Lear | He, the 2G Nano supposedly have a 200 MHz ARM CPU, 256 KB internal RAM and CalmRISC16 coprocessor (as well as a MAC something)... |
| 21:24:33 | amiconn | linux is strange... :\ |
| 21:24:38 | Ghoulunatic | I wasn't getting anything from Menu |
| 21:24:40 | preglow | extension to calmrisc doing fast mac |
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| 21:24:40 | Ghoulunatic | so I held A |
| 21:24:42 | preglow | which is good... |
| 21:24:53 | Ghoulunatic | and it said something about returning to original firmware |
| 21:25:04 | Ghoulunatic | and then it said "Woops, should not return from frimware!" |
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| 21:25:23 | linuxstb | Ghoulunatic: Did that work? |
| 21:25:26 | amiconn | linuxstb: amd64 ipodpatcher built successfully, and it can find the G5.5 when plugged |
| 21:25:32 | Ghoulunatic | there we go |
| 21:25:37 | Ghoulunatic | "Entering rescue mode" |
| 21:25:38 | amiconn | But for some reason gnome doesn't want to mount the thing... |
| 21:25:53 | Ghoulunatic | Entering...... |
| 21:26:32 | amiconn | linuxstb: dcc? |
| 21:26:36 | Ghoulunatic | the drive is spinning |
| 21:26:42 | linuxstb | amiconn: I think it's worked in the past... |
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| 21:27:30 | Ghoulunatic | ok, I didn't enter rescue mode |
| 21:27:42 | Ghoulunatic | but the screen says "Rockbox Loaded" |
| 21:27:52 | amiconn | linuxstb: Hmm, that dreaed 'failed' at the end again :/ |
| 21:28:02 | amiconn | What's the md5 of what you received? |
| 21:28:12 | linuxstb | 47fcb2162a812c3fe8c5d90b6a2ee366 ipodpatcher-amd64 |
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| 21:28:28 | linuxstb | 382400 bytes |
| 21:28:35 | amiconn | Ok, matches |
| 21:28:43 | Ghoulunatic | argghhhh |
| 21:28:53 | Ghoulunatic | I'm trying the rescue mode again |
| 21:28:56 | Ghoulunatic | its "Entering" still |
| 21:29:04 | linuxstb | amiconn: OK, thanks, I'll update my zip |
| 21:29:52 | crichardson | any one have a sansa? i am intrested in rockbox because hmm its opensource :) but i was woundering what the diffrents between the original firm/os and rockbox is i looked at the webpage but i didnt notice much diffrents but plugins and filetype support |
| 21:30:12 | Ghoulunatic | linuxstb: I'm still frozen at Entering Rescue Mode |
| 21:30:25 | Ghoulunatic | do I plug it in now? |
| 21:30:39 | linuxstb | Yes, try that. |
| 21:30:43 | Ghoulunatic | ok |
| 21:30:46 | Ghoulunatic | nothing yet... |
| 21:30:53 | Ghoulunatic | maybe I waited too long |
| 21:31:27 | Ghoulunatic | nope.. |
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| 21:31:50 | linuxstb | crichardson: Reading the manual may give you an idea of how it differs. Or just try it - it's easy to uninstall. |
| 21:31:58 | jnitetime | can anyone help me with Video iPod Rockbox? |
| 21:32:29 | linuxstb | Ghoulunatic: Maybe you should wait until someone who knows more about the gigabeat is around, or you could try #gigabeat |
| 21:32:45 | Ghoulunatic | last time I went into #gigabeat, they yelled at me to come here |
| 21:32:46 | linuxstb | jnitetime: Just ask |
| 21:32:46 | Ghoulunatic | I think |
| 21:32:52 | linuxstb | hehe ;) |
| 21:33:12 | linuxstb | In which case, don't tell them I sent you... |
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| 21:33:28 | Ghoulunatic | lol, ok |
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| 21:34:11 | Ghoulunatic | how long do I power cycle for? |
| 21:34:13 | Ghoulunatic | 10 seconds? |
| 21:34:38 | jnitetime | ok, well i followed the manual instructions, and when i booted up my iPod, it only showed the startup Apple, so i figured it was a firmware problem, so i flipped the Hold switch, and it said "Error! cannot load Rockbox.iPod, file not found" |
| 21:34:52 | jnitetime | and.. yeah...kinda need the file to work |
| 21:34:56 | Ghoulunatic | ok, I supposedly got the original firmware loaded |
| 21:34:58 | Ghoulunatic | or the previous |
| 21:35:13 | linuxstb | jnitetime: Did you download and extract rockbox.zip ? |
| 21:35:20 | jnitetime | i did |
| 21:35:54 | jnitetime | i can get the original firmware to boot, just not RockBox |
| 21:35:56 | linuxstb | That should have given you a .rockbox folder (note the leading dot) in the root of your ipod, with a rockbox.ipod file (and lots of other things) inside. |
| 21:36:20 | Ghoulunatic | god dammit |
| 21:36:34 | Ghoulunatic | now its loading the gigabeat splash and the load bar gets half wayup and freezes |
| 21:37:02 | jnitetime | see, the thing with that is, i got a rockbox folder that took up 1.9 MB, but i opened it and nothing was in it, so i copied it to the root of iPod and it took longer to copy than it should for an empty folder |
| 21:37:43 | linuxstb | Ghoulunatic: The worst that can happen is that you need to do the "recovery mode trick" - which involves unscrewing the back case of your ipod, and hot-plugging the disk. The wiki describes the process. |
| 21:37:51 | linuxstb | jnitetime: Are you on a Mac? |
| 21:37:59 | jnitetime | yeah...why? |
| 21:38:39 | linuxstb | 1) The Mac unzip program creates an extra "rockbox" folder not specified in the zip file itself; 2) The Mac OS X finder doesn't show you folders beginning with a dot. |
| 21:38:44 | Ghoulunatic | linuxstb: I'm using a Gigabeat |
| 21:39:14 | linuxstb | Ghoulunatic: Sorry, replace ipod with gigabeat in that sentence... |
| 21:39:18 | Ghoulunatic | oh ok |
| 21:39:33 | Ghoulunatic | I don't even see any screws :X |
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| 21:40:30 | linuxstb | jnitetime: The easiest solution is to try the Rockbox Utility - it's an in-development GUI install tool. It's rough round the edges, but works. You can download the Mac version from here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility |
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| 21:41:22 | jnitetime | so this is like an installer? |
| 21:41:33 | linuxstb | Yes, it's exactly like an installer. |
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| 21:41:41 | jnitetime | ok, i'll try it out, thanks |
| 21:42:29 | mpeccorini | Guys, I'm trying to make the "inverted" efect the menu does with the current selection but I can't find how or where it's done in the menu. Can someone give me an idea? |
| 21:43:16 | linuxstb | I'm not sure, but I expect the menu code calls the list widget code. |
| 21:43:38 | Ghoulunatic | linuxstb: I can't find that tut on the wiki |
| 21:43:49 | linuxstb | The GigabeatFXPort page I think |
| 21:49:12 | jnitetime | Sweet, it worked, thanks much |
| 21:49:18 | mpeccorini | linuxstb: I found it, thanks, but is uses a pointer to a screen structure. How do I get that one? |
| 21:49:56 | mpeccorini | not *is but *it |
| 21:50:38 | a1titude | how much more battery drain do you think the 80gb is going to have (compaired to the 60GB would be the best comparason)? |
| 21:51:45 | amiconn | I think it won't be measurable during normal use (i.e. playback of any kind) |
| 21:52:46 | a1titude | ahh, so I will I be able to get atleast 10hours of battery life out of it? (btw: I'm using the 60mb build) |
| 21:53:11 | a1titude | *64mb |
| 21:54:20 | linuxstb | mpeccorini: What are you trying to do? Display a list of games and allow the user to choose one? |
| 21:57:56 | Ghoulunatic | ok, linuxstb: what isn't supposed to be in the main directory? |
| 21:58:02 | Ghoulunatic | rockbox.gigabeat? |
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| 21:59:24 | linuxstb | Ghoulunatic: Yes, you should only have a rockbox.gigabeat inside the .rockbox folder |
| 21:59:32 | Ghoulunatic | ok... |
| 21:59:33 | mpeccorini | linuxstb: yes, but since a file will have a variable (possibly very large) number of games I've implemented my own dinamicly allocated list of entries |
| 21:59:37 | Ghoulunatic | still freezing |
| 21:59:47 | linuxstb | And you updated the bootloader? |
| 21:59:51 | Ghoulunatic | oh shit |
| 21:59:51 | Ghoulunatic | no |
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| 22:00:37 | linuxstb | mpeccorini: I'm not sure of the details (or where an example is), but I'm sure the list widgets supports dynamic items via a callback function. |
| 22:01:09 | linuxstb | mpeccorini: You can access the screens struct via rb->screens[MAIN_SCREEN] |
| 22:01:55 | Lear | mpeccorini: A rather simple list example is the ID3 Info screen, in screens.c. |
| 22:02:36 | mpeccorini | that will do fine, thanks |
| 22:02:48 | linuxstb | Lear: I've been meaning to ask you what the problem is with non-streaming mp4 files - is it not possible to support them in Rockbox? |
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| 22:03:02 | Lear | mpeccorini: You'd probably want to set the scroll_all argument to false though. :) |
| 22:03:14 | Ghoulunatic | linuxstb: where are the bootloaders? |
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| 22:03:31 | linuxstb | Ghoulunatic: See the Installation chapter in the manual - that has links |
| 22:03:40 | Ghoulunatic | ok |
| 22:03:47 | mpeccorini | Lear: why is that? |
| 22:03:53 | Lear | linuxstb: When MoB is implemented, it can be done properly (i.e., without spinning the disk on track start). |
| 22:04:12 | Lear | mpeccorini: Then all visible items in the list will scroll, not just the selected one. |
| 22:04:17 | mpeccorini | Lear: because it makes the text of all the entries scroll horizontally all at once? |
| 22:04:25 | Lear | Yep |
| 22:04:27 | mpeccorini | Lear: Ok, thanks. |
| 22:04:47 | mpeccorini | that would look funny thou :p |
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| 22:05:48 | linuxstb | Lear: Ah, so there is metadata not parsed by get_metadata() which is at the end of the file, and needed by the decoder? |
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| 22:06:43 | Lear | Yep. The seek table, basically (which is also needed to detect gaps in the data to decode). |
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| 22:07:40 | linuxstb | Do you know which encoders produce such files? Does itunes? |
| 22:07:53 | Ghoulunatic | linuxstb: now it says "Bad Checksum |
| 22:08:16 | Ghoulunatic | and then it shuts down |
| 22:08:24 | linuxstb | Ghoulunatic: You have the latest bootloader, and the latest Current Build of Rockbox? |
| 22:08:26 | Lear | The encoder in Winamp is the one I've seen. |
| 22:08:38 | Ghoulunatic | yeah |
| 22:08:44 | Ghoulunatic | the bootloaders recognizes USB mode |
| 22:09:00 | Ghoulunatic | so what, re-reinstall the latest version? |
| 22:09:40 | linuxstb | Ghoulunatic: Yes, I would delete the .rockbox on the gigabeat (and any copies of rockbox.zip you have laying around) and download the latest current build again. |
| 22:10:08 | linuxstb | Now you have the latest bootloader, you shouldn't have problems - because you can use its USB mode. |
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| 22:12:15 | mpeccorini | linuxstb: I'm sorry to bother, but I can't find "MAIN_SCREEN" declared anywhere |
| 22:13:11 | linuxstb | mpeccorini: Sorry, my fault - it's SCREEN_MAIN.... |
| 22:13:33 | mpeccorini | ok |
| 22:17:26 | Ghoulunatic | oh thank god |
| 22:17:31 | Ghoulunatic | linuxstb: thanks so much |
| 22:17:58 | Ghoulunatic | :O and the side buttons light up |
| 22:18:01 | Ghoulunatic | thats amazing |
| 22:18:40 | linuxstb | Ghoulunatic: Glad it's working. So you had to get a screwdriver out and use the hotswap trick? |
| 22:19:48 | Ghoulunatic | yeah |
| 22:19:55 | Ghoulunatic | wasn't nearly as hard as it sounded |
| 22:20:01 | Ghoulunatic | ok, so my theme doesn't look right |
| 22:20:25 | Ghoulunatic | the peak meter is there and the layout is wrong |
| 22:20:49 | Ghoulunatic | http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=240x320x16 |
| 22:20:52 | nls | Ghoulunatic: did you install the fonts package? |
| 22:20:53 | Ghoulunatic | I'm using Yellowjacket |
| 22:20:56 | Ghoulunatic | no :X |
| 22:21:01 | Ghoulunatic | wait, its been a while |
| 22:21:03 | Ghoulunatic | I think I did |
| 22:23:10 | nls | that theme seems to use album art which is not supported in official rockbox builds |
| 22:23:20 | Ghoulunatic | hmm |
| 22:23:43 | mpeccorini | linuxstb: thanks buddy, works like a charm |
| 22:25:15 | Ghoulunatic | unzip straight to K:\? |
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| 22:29:28 | Bagder | http://shopdd.blog51.fc2.com/blog-entry-524.html |
| 22:29:40 | Bagder | one of the top referer page to the rockbox site this month |
| 22:29:45 | Bagder | pages |
| 22:30:47 | a1titude | whitch is better to use, the apple usb mode or the emergency one that rockbox defaults to? |
| 22:33:06 | jnitetime | my protected files don't show up in RockBox...is this unsolvable? |
| 22:33:12 | Bagder | the main rockbox web site serves 12000 visits downloading 5GB per day, in average |
| 22:33:19 | jnitetime | DRM protected that is |
| 22:33:30 | Bagder | jnitetime: rockbox doesn't support drm |
| 22:33:44 | jnitetime | well...this sucks |
| 22:35:02 | TrueJournals | jnitetime: No, DRM sucks |
| 22:35:35 | jnitetime | well when i said "this sucks" i was including both that DRM exists and that RB doesn't support it |
| 22:35:36 | simmel | No, YOU ALL SUCK!!111 |
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| 22:35:58 | Bagder | ... the rockbox download server gets 2000 visits downloading almost 5GB per day |
| 22:36:04 | TrueJournals | simmel: :'( |
| 22:36:05 | jnitetime | ok... |
| 22:36:16 | a1titude | drm is something that the world could do without, behold the world of opensource, including rockbox. |
| 22:36:28 | preglow | where's that installer app come from? |
| 22:36:39 | Bagder | I don't know |
| 22:36:39 | jnitetime | installer for what? |
| 22:37:03 | preglow | rockbox |
| 22:37:31 | jnitetime | oh...h/o i think i've got the link here |
| 22:37:50 | jnitetime | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility fire this puppy up |
| 22:38:16 | TrueJournals | jnitetime: preglow is referring to the one at http://shopdd.blog51.fc2.com/blog-entry-524.html |
| 22:38:23 | TrueJournals | Which looks nothing like rbutil |
| 22:38:24 | jnitetime | ah |
| 22:38:49 | jnitetime | sorry 4 the confusion |
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| 22:39:05 | TrueJournals | To answer the question... http://www.ipodwizard.net/showthread.php?t=15153 |
| 22:39:46 | TrueJournals | However, at this point rbutil is the better answer to installing rockbox |
| 22:39:53 | preglow | wouldn't surprise me at all |
| 22:40:02 | amiconn | a1titude: Depends on the target. For some unknown reason on iPod Video and Nano the emergency disk mode is significantly slower than the one in the apple firmware |
| 22:40:03 | TrueJournals | Rockbox Installer X is no longer active |
| 22:40:06 | linuxstb | Bagder: Can you update ipodpatcher and the ipod bootloaders on the download server? |
| 22:40:10 | amiconn | On the other ipods it doesn't matter |
| 22:40:26 | jnitetime | iPod Linux is ok...i prefer RB, simply because i can access most of my music easily |
| 22:40:38 | Bagder | linuxstb: sure |
| 22:40:58 | linuxstb | Bagder: ipodpatcher is here (all platforms, including the much sought-after PPC) - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-1.1.zip |
| 22:41:21 | Bagder | got it |
| 22:41:30 | linuxstb | Bagder: The bootloaders are here - www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/bootloaders.zip - can you replace the existing bootloaders.zip with that file, plus also unzip it. |
| 22:41:43 | linuxstb | You may also want to archive some things in ARCHIVE, but I'll leave that to you.... |
| 22:42:02 | a1titude | amiconn: I heard that, I just wanted a confermation, so I guess for large files (or lots of files) the apple one is the go, thanks |
| 22:42:11 | linuxstb | Bagder: You can then update the news page ;) |
| 22:43:06 | * | amiconn wonders when the website will start using the svn www module again, or if it ever will... |
| 22:44:00 | Bagder | amiconn: the day someone does all the work of fixing it |
| 22:44:38 | TrueJournals | Can someone committ http://www.pastebin.ca/506070 ? It adds the BUTTON_SELECT mapping for the h10 so that test_codec will actually compile on the h10 |
| 22:45:23 | linuxstb | TrueJournals: That's not the right way to do it, but I'll change test_codec. |
| 22:45:33 | TrueJournals | OK, whatever you want to do |
| 22:46:00 | Bagder | dl server updated |
| 22:47:19 | linuxstb | Bagder: OK, then Rockbox officially supports the 80GB... |
| 22:47:26 | Bagder | cool indeed |
| 22:49:17 | TrueJournals | "(Video - 30GB and 60GB models only)" should probably be removed from the list of supported players then... |
| 22:49:47 | Nico_P | amiconn: what do you mean ? what's the svn www module ? |
| 22:50:15 | amiconn | Nico_P: The website sources are in svn, the same way as they were in cvs |
| 22:50:32 | amiconn | They're outside trunk/ so they don't get checked out by default |
| 22:50:57 | Nico_P | is that a problem ? |
| 22:51:05 | amiconn | But the copy in svn doesn't match the current website atm, and they're not used anymore |
| 22:51:19 | Nico_P | ah now I see the proble |
| 22:51:34 | amiconn | With cvs, they were used, and committing something to cvs updated the site, offloading some work from the server admins... |
| 22:51:37 | Nico_P | if it were in SVN we could all improve it :) |
| 22:52:06 | linuxstb | TrueJournals: Fix for test_codec committed - thanks. |
| 22:52:21 | TrueJournals | Thank YOU :-) |
| 22:52:50 | Nico_P | amiconn: what would the fix need ? |
| 22:53:40 | amiconn | Syncing svn with what's currently on the site, plus fixing some server side scripts I presume |
| 22:54:02 | Nico_P | so that when a commit is done the website gets updated ? |
| 22:54:54 | amiconn | Static pages aren't stored as-is in svn, they have a .t extension and used to be preprocessed on commit to generate the actual html |
| 22:55:15 | amiconn | (using cpp) |
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| 22:57:05 | Nico_P | what's cpp ? not the C preprocessor ? |
| 22:57:18 | amiconn | it is the C preprocessor |
| 22:57:34 | amiconn | YOu could just check out the www module to see what I mean |
| 22:57:42 | TrueJournals | To compile test_codec correctly... I need to add it to SOURCES, viewers.config, and... anything else? I feel like I'm missing something... |
| 22:57:50 | Alienbiker99 | so 80gb is officially added? |
| 22:58:03 | amiconn | There's also a sub-dir containing pictures from the first devcon, including the first attempts to build a tower of rockbox ;) |
| 22:58:06 | * | Nico_P looks at http://svn.rockbox.org |
| 22:59:04 | Nico_P | when was the first devcon ? |
| 22:59:09 | amiconn | svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/www/ <wherever you want it> |
| 22:59:37 | linuxstb | amiconn: How would you summarise the status of the 80GB port? (I'm updating the IpodStatus wiki page). What work is left to do? |
| 22:59:49 | amiconn | According to index.t in that dir, 2002-04-19 |
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| 23:00:02 | amiconn | It wasn't an official one |
| 23:02:27 | linuxstb | TrueJournals: That's it, SOURCES and viewers.config |
| 23:02:49 | linuxstb | Alienbiker99: Yes. |
| 23:02:54 | TrueJournals | linuxstb: OK, thanks |
| 23:07:07 | amiconn | linuxstb: Basically what my commit msg says. It works now, but I think the filesystem and fat driver should be adjusted to use larger sectors directly |
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| 23:07:36 | amiconn | The advantage of the solution in the ata driver is that this work can be done in several steps |
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| 23:08:07 | linuxstb | amiconn: I've summarised it (for users) as "More work on optimising the disk writing code is needed." |
| 23:08:52 | zerogmr | does rockbox for the original black/white 20g ipod let you play videos |
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| 23:09:57 | preglow | amiconn: have you got a 5.5g ipod now? |
| 23:10:18 | nikosapi | I would like to say thank you to whomever checked in the support for the 80GB iPods. I can't wait to play my ogg files!!! |
| 23:10:32 | preglow | nikosapi: then amiconn is the one you should thank |
| 23:10:37 | amiconn | preglow: I just borrowed Linus' 5.5g, and will send it back soon |
| 23:10:50 | nikosapi | amiconn: Thank you! |
| 23:11:20 | preglow | amiconn: okay, are you keeping it long enough to do any further work on the issue? |
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| 23:11:46 | amiconn | Hmm |
| 23:11:58 | nikosapi | I've been waiting probably 3 - 4 months for this, to bad I have to wait till tomorrow to play with it.. |
| 23:12:06 | preglow | nikosapi: why? |
| 23:12:11 | * | amiconn is supposed to work on viewports, and time is a finite resource :\ |
| 23:12:27 | nikosapi | I'm supposed to be studying... |
| 23:12:42 | preglow | nikosapi: that does qualify as a reason, albeit not a good one :> |
| 23:12:54 | preglow | amiconn: well, at least it's working now, i don't think you'll head many complaints on performance... |
| 23:13:02 | nikosapi | I'm off, I can't thank you enough. bye! |
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| 23:13:22 | preglow | s/head/hear |
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| 23:13:34 | Bagder | amiconn: very nice work! |
| 23:14:06 | linuxstb | amiconn: Now crack the 2nd Gen Nano... ;) |
| 23:14:13 | preglow | yes! that! |
| 23:14:14 | amiconn | preglow: fat driver performance sucks somewhat in general... |
| 23:14:15 | Bagder | hehe |
| 23:14:18 | zerogmr | does Rockbox let you have videos on your ipod |
| 23:14:19 | a1titude | will my ipod charge while booted to rockbox? I can't seem to find any infomation in the manual. |
| 23:14:30 | preglow | amiconn: sure, but top-performance isn't exactly very essential for what we do |
| 23:14:38 | linuxstb | zerogmr: Yes, but not very well at the moment on the greyscale LCDs. |
| 23:14:46 | preglow | my typing sucks again :/ |
| 23:15:02 | bluebrother | a1titude: yes. |
| 23:15:29 | bluebrother | but if you connect it to usb for charging the charging might be slower than the power drain from operating |
| 23:15:31 | TrueJournals | Bah, someone figure out how to use the radio on the H10! |
| 23:15:36 | amiconn | preglow: Most of the time it's not, but there are 2 operations where fs performance makes a big difference: (1) database build/update, (2) Deleting large directories, e.g. using disktidy |
| 23:16:30 | amiconn | Using dircache for (1) means roughly a 10x speedup, just because of the improved open() performance (everything else in the fs stays at the same speed or even becomes slightly slower) |
| 23:17:11 | linuxstb | zerogmr: See the PluginMpegplayer wiki page - but support for greyscale LCDs in mpegplayer should only really be considered experimental. They may not be usable. |
| 23:17:20 | amiconn | I was surprised of how quick the full db rebuild on my H180 finished... |
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| 23:17:55 | amiconn | linuxstb: It's not usable on any greyscale ipod, because the load from the greyscale lib makes sound stutter |
| 23:18:25 | preglow | amiconn: everything else becoming slower using dircache is expected, i think, since the physical operation has to be done in addition to the dircache update itself, since we have no long-term fs caching |
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| 23:18:31 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, that's what I thought. I wonder if the latest libmad optimisations solve that. |
| 23:18:37 | * | amiconn would like to see test_disk logfiles from a nano |
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| 23:18:55 | preglow | amiconn: i can do one now |
| 23:19:37 | a1titude | bluebrother: how do you mean, connect it to usb for charging? Its as usb charger.. Or do you mean opposed to a wall outlet usb charger |
| 23:19:50 | a1titude | *a not as, lol |
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| 23:20:36 | bluebrother | a1titude: if you hole menu while plugging in the usb cable Rockbox won't reboot into disk mode |
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| 23:21:08 | bluebrother | that way you can charge from a usb port. But this currently doesn't draw that much power that the usb port can deliver, so charging is really slow |
| 23:21:12 | preglow | amiconn: one run without dircache and one with? |
| 23:21:29 | amiconn | would be nice |
| 23:21:31 | bluebrother | but there are Ipods around that come without a usb charger but only a usb cable |
| 23:22:41 | amiconn | preglow: Expect one run to take roughly 5 minutes, and make sure there is enough free space. |
| 23:22:50 | bluebrother | so ... anyone cracked the nano 2G yet? ;-) |
| 23:23:03 | amiconn | The plugin needs enough space for ~10 seconds of writing data, so ~100MB should be enough |
| 23:23:18 | a1titude | Mine didn't come with a usb charger, just a cable, but I already had a usb charger that I bourght for my iAudio U2 - so am I better to use the wall charger or charge it in diskmode via the computer? |
| 23:23:43 | preglow | create 1 files/sec, what the hell |
| 23:23:50 | amiconn | wow! |
| 23:24:00 | amiconn | Slower than all others, even the Ondio |
| 23:24:10 | amiconn | ...and the G5.5/80 |
| 23:24:13 | preglow | does these tests depend on file system structure? |
| 23:24:17 | preglow | i have tons of small files lying around |
| 23:24:18 | linuxstb | preglow: For reference, here's my log from my ipod video - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/test_disk_log_02.txt |
| 23:24:44 | amiconn | preglow: It just creates file for 10 seconds and counts them |
| 23:25:09 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, and file system structure has no effect on how fast creat() is? |
| 23:25:13 | amiconn | Those files are all empty, so fragmentation *should* not have a significant effect |
| 23:25:23 | preglow | i know nothing about fat |
| 23:26:07 | preglow | so far the results look lousy |
| 23:26:13 | preglow | far worse than linuxstb's |
| 23:26:43 | petur | as long as the file only needs one fat cluster fragmentation does not do much, but maybe how full the disk is may have some influence (hunt for empty clusters) |
| 23:27:29 | amiconn | petur: Well, fragmentation will hit if the directory needs to be extended |
| 23:27:36 | preglow | i'll tidy up the disk and try again just for kicks |
| 23:27:48 | petur | ah yes, that's true |
| 23:28:13 | amiconn | But since it creates 1 file/second, there can't be more than 19, and one dir sector allows for 32 entries (and on the nano one cluster is most likely larger than 1 sector) |
| 23:28:33 | amiconn | (19 because of simple integer division) |
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| 23:29:25 | preglow | but why would the nano be so slow? |
| 23:29:33 | preglow | the flash itself should be capable of far, far more |
| 23:29:47 | preglow | and if the ata->flash bridge is causing this, the designers have to be seriously incompetent |
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| 23:30:25 | amiconn | preglow: Did I say fat driver performance sucks somewhat? |
| 23:30:34 | bluebrother | sounds somewhat like this nano is dog slow in emergency disk mode thing |
| 23:30:52 | amiconn | linuxstb's Video is the one that creates the highest number of files per second |
| 23:30:52 | preglow | amiconn: well yeah, but why would flash perform worse than hd using the same fat driver? |
| 23:30:53 | bluebrother | fat isn't suited well for flash memory |
| 23:31:38 | preglow | delete 2 files/sec |
| 23:31:42 | preglow | that's just bloody nasty |
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| 23:32:02 | preglow | and this thing isn't even half-full |
| 23:32:03 | preglow | 2 gigs |
| 23:32:29 | amiconn | File create: Recorder: 12 files/s, H340: 10 files/s, G5.5/80: 9 files/s, Ondio: 8 files/s, mini G2: 7 files/s |
| 23:32:44 | preglow | writing seems to be faster than reading |
| 23:32:46 | preglow | ehh... |
| 23:32:55 | amiconn | Yes, that's a known effect |
| 23:33:22 | preglow | any good explanation? |
| 23:33:38 | amiconn | Caching |
| 23:33:49 | preglow | right |
| 23:33:50 | amiconn | Happens on all PP targets |
| 23:33:56 | preglow | U/A is unaligned/aligned, yea? |
| 23:34:08 | amiconn | yup |
| 23:34:18 | preglow | is write & verify needed? |
| 23:34:39 | amiconn | That's not a speed test, but a data correctness test |
| 23:34:47 | preglow | sure, but do you want me to run it? |
| 23:34:51 | amiconn | no |
| 23:34:57 | preglow | okiedoke, doing dircache test now |
| 23:35:05 | amiconn | Iirc you already did, with the old simple version of test_disk |
| 23:35:23 | preglow | ahh, yes |
| 23:35:25 | preglow | yes i did |
| 23:35:27 | amiconn | (which only measured read & write speed for one very large buffer size) |
| 23:35:56 | amiconn | Writing is also faster than reading on the hdd based archoses |
| 23:36:20 | * | petur reverts his h300 back to v5 bootloader |
| 23:36:24 | preglow | why? |
| 23:36:25 | amiconn | For those there is a very clear explanation looking at the cpu features |
| 23:36:48 | nls | petur: did the svn version give you problems? |
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| 23:37:10 | petur | nls: yes, it hangs at boot 50% of the time :( |
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| 23:37:57 | amiconn | preglow: Was that referring to me or petur? |
| 23:37:59 | nls | nasty, heard any word about what's left before v6 can be released (apart from fixing that bug) |
| 23:38:03 | preglow | amiconn: oh, petur |
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| 23:38:11 | amiconn | k |
| 23:38:20 | preglow | but it's a valid question for you to, for that sake :) |
| 23:38:26 | preglow | so feel free to answer |
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| 23:38:56 | petur | I wanted to flash it during devcon but forgot, and the build Linus gave me today hangs after displaying batt voltage, about half the time |
| 23:39:11 | amiconn | The explanation for archos is in frmware/target/sh/archos/ata-as-archos.S line 138ff |
| 23:39:11 | petur | I get the impression it's a disk timing problem |
| 23:39:40 | TrueJournals | What's an "average" compression level for FLAC (like, 128kbps is an "average" rate for MP3, and other codecs...) |
| 23:39:40 | nls | petur: I remember there was a disk timing problem with an older version too |
| 23:39:42 | amiconn | Hehe, and there's a typo |
| 23:39:51 | petur | when it hangs the disk spins up just a bit later |
| 23:40:38 | preglow | warp mode? :> |
| 23:40:57 | amiconn | Maybe that can be used as an abbreviation: inctruction == increment instruction ;) |
| 23:41:17 | preglow | but what the hell is warp mode? |
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| 23:41:28 | amiconn | preglow: warp mode == simultaneous access to internal & external bus |
| 23:42:03 | nls | TrueJournals: about 900kbit/sec dependign on the content tho, and compression level, encoder used etc.. |
| 23:42:21 | amiconn | It's something that can be enabled in the SH cpu |
| 23:42:37 | w0lfie | hey all |
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| 23:43:07 | w0lfie | has anyone had any experience with rockbox on an ipod 5th gen 80g player? |
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| 23:43:22 | TrueJournals | nls: The encoder I'm using just gives me one option... Compression level... I want to test the H10's decoding ability using an "average" compression level... what should I use? |
| 23:43:23 | w0lfie | i'm looking at buying one and am wanting to get any feedback on it? |
| 23:43:30 | a1titude | TrueJournals: personaly I would use the highest setting (8 I think) but I don't use lossless. I'm actually questing what codec I should use! lol |
| 23:43:42 | preglow | http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~thomj/rockbox/test_disk_log_nano.txt |
| 23:43:44 | preglow | http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~thomj/rockbox/test_disk_log_nano_dircache.txt |
| 23:44:07 | a1titude | w0lfie: rockbox just came out today, but It seems to be working really well on my 80GB as far as I can tell. so far. |
| 23:44:15 | preglow | create and delete speeds are extremely funky, but at least consistent |
| 23:44:16 | preglow | any theories? |
| 23:44:23 | nls | TrueJournals: iirc -5 is the standard compression level but with the latest flac -8 is fast enough for mee... |
| 23:44:48 | TrueJournals | OK, thanks |
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| 23:45:04 | w0lfie | a1titude: that's good to know. have you given it a decent thrash yet? |
| 23:45:17 | linuxstb_ | TrueJournals: I agree with a1titude and n1s - just use -8. It's _very_ slightly slower to decode than -5, but gives the best possible compression ratio. |
| 23:45:31 | linuxstb_ | (all my music is flac, and I only use -8) |
| 23:45:41 | a1titude | w0lfie: I haven't had the time yet. |
| 23:45:51 | TrueJournals | I'll do a test with 5 and a test with 8 |
| 23:46:16 | TrueJournals | In my testing, I'm also going to listen to the files to see if I can hear a difference in sound (I'm not really an audiophile :-\) |
| 23:46:24 | amiconn | preglow: Wow, open() is fast even without dircache... |
| 23:46:27 | TrueJournals | I would really consider myself an average person... |
| 23:46:36 | a1titude | next time I go to calgary will probably be the test, although I can't see that happening anytime soon... (6 hours_ |
| 23:46:50 | amiconn | preglow: What size nano is that? |
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| 23:49:21 | linuxstb_ | TrueJournals: I would be curious to see the result of test_codec with a -5 and -8 encoding of the same file... |
| 23:49:33 | TrueJournals | Then I'll do those first ;-) |
| 23:49:47 | linuxstb_ | You could also try -0 (the simpliest form of FLAC) |
| 23:51:49 | a1titude | Cue sheet maby? :p lol |
| 23:51:53 | TrueJournals | I'll do that... |
| 23:55:00 | preglow | amiconn: 2 gigs |
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| 23:55:34 | preglow | amiconn: well, open() bloody well SHOULD be fast without dircache, what i can't understand is why the hell creat and delete isn't |
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| 23:56:08 | preglow | i mean,C[C[C[C come on, a _second_ for creating a file, that's beyond insane |
| 23:56:15 | preglow | what the hell happened in that line |
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| 23:58:08 | TrueJournals | linuxstb_: http://www.pastebin.ca/506247 |
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