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#rockbox log for 2007-05-23

00:00:09LloreanWhat ever happened with the people who had the bootloader freezing if USB was plugged in?
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00:01:04linuxstbI've never seen a report of that.
00:01:35amiconnlinuxstb: Ah, the bootloader not unhiding the messages when something failed was a bug...
00:01:57*linuxstb looks away
00:01:59*amiconn got that when experimenting on the 80; flipping hold then unhid the messages
00:02:12LloreanI seem to recall some users having difficulty getting past the bootloader if USB was inserted, but I could be confused.
00:02:16LloreanI've never experienced it.
00:02:38linuxstbI've had problems with Rockbox itself freezing when USB is plugged in immediately. Maybe it's the same.
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00:03:02LloreanBut those are the only issues I know of regarding the bootloader
00:04:15sgarritybuilding ipodcatcher from SVN did give me something: (pastebin isn't working for me right now)
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00:04:37sgarritybut shouldn't that have given me the option to install?
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00:04:59linuxstbsgarrity: You need to follow the instructions at the top of the Makefile to compile ipodpatcher with the bootloaders
00:05:22linuxstbOr I could just upload a build for you...
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00:06:01sgarritylinuxstb: ah, yes - I'll try that.
00:06:14linuxstbIf you want it -
00:06:49n1slinuxstb: here's a report of bootloade rcrashing
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00:07:45sgarritylinuxstb: Your build worked for me. Thank you.
00:07:45linuxstbn1s: That sounds like Rockbox itself crashing before updating the LCD - I can't think why/how the bootloader could crash, as it doesn't do anything with USB.
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00:08:06linuxstbsgarrity: You're welcome - thanks for testing ;)
00:08:48elfeshuriknhi everybody
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00:09:15n1slinuxstb: ah ok, I'll make the usual "Does this still happend?" comment and close it in two weeks then :-)
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00:10:20elfeshuriknI have some questions about the 5.5G ipod 80go
00:10:35elfeshurikncould someone help me ?
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00:12:00elfeshuriknI path and compile rockbo, but I don't know how to put the bootloader
00:12:17amiconnNow there is a nasty problem with a write-back sector cache
00:12:21linuxstbUse ipodpatcher - run "ipodpatcher - bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod"
00:12:31linuxstbI meant "ipodpatcher -a bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod"
00:12:46amiconnWhat should the driver do when the delayed cache flush fails?
00:12:58elfeshuriknok thks you
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00:13:24amiconnI mean, if it flushes during normal operation, i.e. when the cache is needed for a different sector, there is no problem
00:13:47amiconnBut what if flushing the last dirty sector after a timeout fails?
00:15:27sgarrityI'm successfully running Rockbox - thanks for the help everyone.
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00:15:49sgarritya final question: how do I reboot the iPod now that it does have rockbox installed? Select+Menu doesn't seem to do it.
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00:16:08sgarritycancel that - it did do it.
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00:16:17LloreanMenu+Select still works, that's a hardware feature, but you shouldn't use it.
00:16:31LloreanIt's like the Reset button on old PCs, not necessarily the best way to go about things.
00:16:33sgarrityis there a software way to rebott?
00:16:36LloreanHold Play/Pause to shut down.
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00:20:57amiconnHmm, write-back doesn'
00:21:04amiconnt help much either :(
00:21:10sgarrityis the throbber animation in RockBox from Firefox?
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00:22:55LloreanThrobber animation?
00:23:09sgarritythe circle of dots while paused
00:23:28sgarrityoh, I see it's the volume indicator too
00:23:41LloreanAh, in a specific theme.
00:24:43austriancoderjhMikeS: ping
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00:27:56Nico_PLlorean: I assume he means in iCatcher
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00:28:15sgarrityNico_P: Yeah, I didn't realize I wasn't using the default theme
00:28:19Nico_PI noticed it only a few days ago
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00:59:50webguest16i have an iriver H10 6Gb can i have the link for this version of rockbox
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01:00:21Lloreanwebguest16: See the manual.
01:00:23webguest16i have an iriver H10 6Gb can i have the link for this version of rockbox
01:00:39webguest16ut theres only one for 5gb
01:00:43LloreanPlease don't spam the channel with repeated requests, especially when you've been answered.
01:00:50markunwebguest16: and 20gb
01:00:59webguest16but i have 6gb
01:01:05LloreanThe 5gb and 6gb are the same hardware.
01:01:10webguest16wut do i use for that?
01:01:34webguest16so i use the same as the 5gb
01:02:09webguest16how do i use
01:02:10LloreanSee the manual.
01:02:26LloreanSeriously, you need to read the manual before you install, so that you can be sure to do it right
01:02:32webguest16is there any chance of bricking
01:03:02webguest16and what version do i need?
01:03:05LloreanI believe that if you don't follow the directions correctly, you can leave your device in a state that's hard to recover from, but not bricked.
01:03:14LloreanWhat version of what?
01:03:32markunwebguest16: just download the lastest version
01:03:38markun'current build'
01:03:50webguest16i meen REAL firmware
01:04:06LloreanRockbox is "Real"
01:04:16webguest16like from iriver
01:04:23LloreanIt is not imaginary.
01:04:24LloreanAs for the firmware on your player, Rockbox doesn't care about that.
01:04:36webguest16ok so i can do it on any firmware
01:04:36LloreanRockbox is not a patch or modification of that firmware, it's its own software entirely
01:04:57markunLlorean: wow, that manual is pretty confusing
01:05:15webguest16so i can do it on any iriver firmware that is made by iriver tho rite?
01:05:33markunLlorean: the part about the iriver bootloader which ends with "It is already installed on your player, so it is never necessary to modify this in order to install Rockbox"
01:05:55webguest16ok im just used to hacking psps
01:06:33webguest16were do i get the software?
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01:06:47webguest16link me
01:06:51markunwebguest16: the links are in the manual
01:06:53DerPapstwebguest16: Llorean already told you.
01:06:56Lloreanwebguest16: Please, read the manual
01:07:10markunwebguest16: the link I gave you
01:07:10LloreanAt the website?
01:07:12DerPapst"2 Installation"
01:07:18webguest16ok thanks
01:07:20Spikey818Hi guys, I have a question regarding Rockbox working with Headunits that are Ipod ready
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01:07:48*DerPapst wonders what a headunit is
01:07:50Spikey818if I have a car head unit that is ipod read, will i still be able to control my ipod from the head unit's controls?
01:08:02Spikey818a head unit is like the stereo unit for your car
01:08:12Lloreanmarkun: Yes, perhaps the part about the flash bootloader could be clarified somewhat.
01:08:16Spikey818for example, I have a pioneer DEH-780
01:08:24LloreanSpikey818: No
01:08:32LloreanRockbox does not support the Apple Accessory Protocol, which that would require
01:08:36DerPapstSpikey818: i guess that talks to the iPods serial
01:08:45Spikey818yeah, i see
01:08:53DerPapstwhat Llorean says
01:08:57Spikey818and there are no plugins available that you could use to support it?
01:09:19LloreanNobody who has one has done the work.
01:09:55Spikey818I would love to do the work but i know nothing about programming
01:10:15Spikey818i wouldn't know where to start
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01:10:36DerPapsteven if you can program.. you have to reserve engenier the protocol first
01:10:43OverandLlorean: does the serial interface itself work?
01:11:05LloreanOverand: Not in Rockbox, though I believe there's some code for it for earlier iPods from iPL that can be used as a starting point for those models.
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01:11:28DerPapsti know it works for some iPod at iPodLinux (3G only?)
01:11:39amiconnG3 and earlier afaik
01:11:43Spikey818what works for ipodLinux
01:11:47OverandI don't have any iPod accessories - i should get my step-brother and his digital oscilloscope to start looking at it
01:11:47Spikey818I got a G3 ipod
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01:12:10Overandwell if there's code that supports it, it should be portable to rockbox, if it's not too spaghetti'd in
01:12:13Spikey818so if I have a 3G ipod, I can use Rockbox with my Interface?
01:12:18DerPapstamiconn: right
01:12:45DerPapstSpikey818: that feature isn't included in rockbox.
01:12:47OverandSpikey818: you won't be able to use the interface with rockbox as rockbox stands
01:13:12Overandpersonally, if i were you, i'd go the rockbox route vs. the iPL route - head unit controls are nice, but I use rockbox on my iPod in the car all the time
01:13:29Overandof course my head unit has a line in - i don't know if you'd be able to use the *audio* part of that interface
01:13:37DerPapstSpikey818: and you still have to reserve engineer it though
01:16:51DerPapstgood night everyone.
01:17:03 Quit DerPapst ("So Long And Thanks For All The Fish!")
01:17:51Spikey818That's alright I guess...I have 2 ipods anyways
01:18:04Spikey818There is a firmware for the 3G Ipod right?
01:18:24Spikey818I got the $40gb that costed $500 when it was released
01:18:48OverandI know there's firmware for the 3G, I don't know how well it works
01:18:53Overandthe regulars here would know better than me
01:19:00OverandI've got a 5G (60 gig video) and it works *very* well.
01:19:15OverandI don't use it in 'ipod' mode except for a few DRMd videos I paid for on iTunes, and for faster file transfers
01:19:26n1sSpikey818: rockbox for the 3G is in a pretty undeveloped state and cannot play regular mp3s realtime yet
01:19:45n1sflac and maybe wv lossless should work though
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01:20:57LloreanI thought it could play some MP3s realtime, depending on bitrate
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01:21:23zivan56new sansa tuner patch is up, this should greatly improve sound quality and properly center on the stations (or very close to it)...
01:22:01n1sLlorean: maybe the lower bitrates play, also tomal posted some patch that could help speed it up if it gets comitted...
01:22:20Lloreann1s: Some work still needs to be done on that to keep it from breaking mpegplayer, I believe
01:23:26n1sah, yeah, I didn't look into the details (as I don't have a target that it will affect and about 20 mp3s totally) :-)
01:23:55LloreanI really need to try the iFP port at some point, and see just how little it runs.
01:24:05*Llorean would like to test_codec on it, just to see
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01:26:23jhMikeSaustriancoder: gnip
01:26:40a1titudeA quick question about the 80GB ipod patch, My prefered codec choice is vorbis, but I was wondering if rockbox with the patch is useable for general use before its realeased into the svn, or should I wait for it to be final before useing rockbox?
01:26:54austriancoderjhMikeS: I already got it my self :) audiohw_caps.h
01:28:34jhMikeSthat can work but what about two targets using the same audio hw but different crystals? they won't nescessarily have the same samplerates available.
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01:30:00austriancoderjhMikeS: I use audiohw_caps.h at the moment only to see if chip can do bass and treble in hardware... nothing connected with samplerates
01:30:04n1sa1titude: the patch has some bugs and amiconn is working on it, use it if you wish but it _could_ potentially wreck your filesystem...
01:30:22Spikey818thanks n1s
01:30:32Spikey818sorry, i'm at work right now, that's why my attention was away
01:30:37jhMikeSaustiancoder: that makes sense when something is strictly stuck to the codec chip, yes
01:31:07a1tituden1s: thanks thats the answer I was looking for... I'll hold fire for now then!
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01:31:49jhMikeSI'm think about how to properly handle the as3514 which covers a lot of ground that normally multiple chips cover and it's sort of being handled as if it were all separated.
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01:33:46zivan56FYI you can set LINE_IN1_R/L to 0x30 in the init and you shouldn't have buzzing, but it is more than enough for radio
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01:35:38linuxstbLlorean: DerPapst did some tests with tomal's mp3 patch on the 3g - with the patch applied, a 192kbps MP3 file plays at 154% realtime - which I think should be more than enough for smooth playback. The same mp3 was 118% without the patch.
01:36:42a1titudeoh yeah, btw: why is there a recording option in the rockbox menu in the 80GB ipod?
01:37:35Lloreanlinuxstb: Yeah, 154% realtime is about what some of my MP3s tested on my Nano, if I recall
01:37:50Lloreana1titude: Because it should be able to record from the line in on the dock?
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01:43:02DerPapstLlorean: you're sure 5G iPods can record through line in?
01:43:12a1titudeLlorean: ahh, I didn't know the dock did that, I've never seen one.
01:43:19linuxstbDerPapst: Yes, I've done it.
01:43:19LloreanI said "should be able to" not "can"
01:43:27*Llorean wasn't sure
01:43:51markunaustriancoder: is there a reason for having 'extern' before the audiohw_* function definitions?
01:43:52DerPapstseems like i missed that feature :D
01:44:05*DerPapst has no doc :(
01:44:28austriancodermarkun: i will check this before commiting... and next part takes some time to code
01:45:24LloreanDerPapst: Well, I think generally it's just done by custom adapter for the dock port
01:45:24LloreanI actually don't think the "real" dock has a line in
01:45:59DerPapstyep.. looking at the pinout on the iPL wiki
01:47:17linuxstbDerPapst: The ipod recording code still needs more work though - not all features are implemented (e.g. gain control) and playback doesn't work after recording. So if you're looking for something to do....
01:47:20jhMikeSzivan56: enabling/disabling those line will be done through the input muxing anyway so if radio is off, the lines will be muted as it should
01:49:14jhMikeSat least as soon as recording get put in anyway
01:49:14DerPapstlinuxstb: you're overestimating my coding skills a tiny bit ;)
01:50:35zivan56jhMikeS: ok, for now I just removed the if 0 from the patch
01:50:42zivan56I mean svn
01:50:52austriancoderzivan56: is okay
01:50:52DerPapstanyways.. good night at all (this time for real ;) )
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01:52:58zivan56overall, this radio is annoying, the only reason it was chosen was probably due to its size, since half of it is software based
01:53:36zivan56and it only has 2-3 readable registers, and 20 or so write only ones
01:55:24markunaustriancoder: when will you start on GSoC?
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01:59:22markunaustriancoder: which player(s) do you have? petur made some progress with USB on his H380
01:59:47austriancodermarkun: sansa and access to a x5
02:00:03linuxstbaustriancoder: Will your focus be USB host mode, or disk mode?
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02:01:07austriancoderlinuxstb: first goal is to get usb device working.. in general it should be an easy to extand usb stack.. so that usb host should be possible
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02:12:42jhMikeSlinuxstb: up for checking the 16-16 pair FIFO writes on any iPods? I'd love to get rid of the shifting from the FIQ for all those.
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02:16:00kkurbjunis it typical for flash memory to require a sector erase before programming data?
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02:18:45saratogaaustriancoder: you're working on the Sansa primarily for your GSOC project?
02:19:13austriancodersaratoga: yes
02:19:34saratogagood, i get mine in a few days, and I'm looking forward to having USB :)
02:22:15LloreanThe Sansa's just about at the same level as iPods now for usability, I think.
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02:23:59*jhMikeS hopes to surpass that in short (in pp time) order :)
02:24:09jurrie_Llorean: any idea what the leading cause of "screen meltdown" is on the Sansa? Happens quite a bit while playing plugin games... is it the plugins, the utility APIs, the core "os", or the device drivers? Just seeing where I can start to pitch in.
02:24:37LloreanI've never experienced it myself, but I only use the Sansa for music.
02:24:47LloreanRight now, I keep trying to convince myself to fix the button layout.
02:24:59saratogaLlorean: thats good to know
02:25:04jhMikeSprobably a line not set correectly when a data write occurs
02:25:11LloreanNow that someone else has done the Gigabeat for me, I should actually pitch in and bring the Sansa into line.
02:25:18saratogado we have a battery runtime page setup for the sansa?
02:25:29LloreanThe fact that there's a separate button for the context menu, and that the Power button brings up the main menu drives me nuts.
02:25:47Lloreansaratoga: I don't think so.
02:26:02jhMikeSmakes sense to have the menu key bring up menus, yes
02:26:04saratogaanyone know what the runtime is like then?
02:27:14LloreanjhMikeS: Basically, I want to make the power button "Stop", the bottom button "Menu" on short, and the center button do the Context Menu on long. Much more similar to other players.
02:27:30LloreanThe current button layout feels kinda like a "Well, we've got all these buttons, let's start assigning things..."
02:28:55jhMikeSThe OF sort of does it as is done now though
02:29:26LloreanYeah, but that's not a good reason to do it that way
02:29:26LloreanContext menu is long-select on almost every device, for example
02:29:44LloreanThe goal is to sort of make Rockbox feel like Rockbox no matter which player you have in-hand
02:29:53jurrie_having the down button == "Menu" is fine, if the scroll wheel is enabled everywhere
02:30:01jhMikeStrue...I get used to the different layouts too quickly :P
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02:30:15jurrie_I find it confusing as in some contexts down == down and in other down == menu
02:30:22Lloreanjurrie_: In situations like Jewels it may not be.
02:30:36LloreanBut within the context of non-plugins, the wheel should always be Up/Down
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02:30:47jurrie_one place where the scrollwheel should be enabled is bubbles
02:31:07jurrie_aim & shoot with one finger
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02:31:22LloreanjhMikeS: I'm used to them, as long as I keep using it, but each time I put it down for a couple weeks it trips me up, and I'd really like to have Rockbox have semi-standard controls.
02:31:27*jhMikeS enabled it for spacerocks
02:31:42jurrieyup.... works well there
02:31:55jhMikeSthen gigabeat should change too imo
02:32:25webguest36hi i'm trying to install rockbox on a 4g ipod and whenever i try to unzip the build file a message comes up that says cannot create folder G:/
02:32:26saratogaabout the screen corruption bug on teh 1.1 sansas, since I'm guess i'll get a 1.1, is it bad enough that it would hinder testing on the Sansa?
02:34:24*jhMikeS isn't clear about what any other corruption is besides meltdown...some line on the screen or something?
02:34:40zivan56IIRC it just affects the first couple of lines on the LCD
02:35:27saratogathen that shouldn't be a problem for me
02:36:23jurriejhMikeS: when I say "meltdown", I'm talking about the whole screen fading to white
02:37:06jhMikeSyes, I get that one but the line thing...I feel like I know, but have no way to probe it :\
02:37:06austriancoderjhMikeS: jep the whole screen
02:37:08jurrielooks like an invalid pointer dereference
02:37:59jurrieno idea if that is "standard operating procedure" when rockbox detects a crash, or if a null pointer dereference causes Sansa's screen controller to go whacko
02:37:59jhMikeSI think it tranfers the image bottom to could also be a buffer alignment problem
02:38:10TrueJournalswebguest36: Is your iPod located at G: ?
02:38:23zivan56interestingly enough, when you play video, the corrupt pixels are on the side:
02:38:39TrueJournalswebguest36: What are you using to unzip?
02:38:45jhMikeSI know what the actual driver chip is well enough and has documentation
02:39:28TrueJournalsHmmm... I don't know then... are you dragging and dropping or what?
02:40:28webguest36i just click extract to, choose the file path and then click ok, then after several seconds the error message comes up me the player just looks upside down
02:41:06TrueJournalswebguest36: That's very weird... try browsing to G: and make sure you can see files
02:41:10jurriemy "meltdowns" are similar to what happens to the screen when RockBox's bootloader loads the OF
02:41:25webguest36actually when i open it nothing comes up
02:41:44TrueJournalswebguest36: That's the problem... reconnect your iPod and it should work fine
02:41:48jhMikeSyes, mine too...I think it loses the write data mode somehow for a second
02:42:38jhMikeSThe framebuffer might need a larger alignment to work correctly...that's a guess I can't check. Mine only requires 4-byte alignment to work.
02:42:41jurriejhMikeS: so you're saying that it's just an LCD controller interface issue, and that the RockBox software continues to function normally?
02:42:53jhMikeSit does, yes
02:43:14jurrieyou'd think others would experience this as well
02:43:42webguest36i reconnected it and it doesn't show up in my computer now
02:43:54TrueJournalsDid you make sure to reconnect it in disk mode?
02:43:55jhMikeSother fact, I didn't know anyone didn't :)
02:44:04webguest36yes its in disk mode
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02:44:39TrueJournalswebguest36: Well, sorry, I don't know then... maybe someone else will...
02:44:45webguest36ok thanks anyway
02:44:49Aloneaer, gomen. program is screwy here...
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02:46:50digerati1338If I'm getting a SVN failed to add file error is it most likely because of a patch?
02:51:39jhMikeSzivan56: you could try changing the align attribute on lcd_driver_framebuffer from 16 to successive multiples of 352 and see if that cures it. it's the first thing I'd try myself.
02:52:07zivan56jhMikeS: I don't have a v1.1 player
02:52:16zivan56I just found those picture on the rockbox forum
02:52:40zivan56I believe one dev does though...
02:53:01jhMikeSoh...I just assumed. Perhaps I'll post there then.
02:54:13zivan56so any comments about the sansa radio patch? It's getting annoying syncing it to SVN since it encompasses a bunch of files, I am pretty much stuck at this current method of tuning
02:54:57zivan56I don't know of that way that was mention before to set the audio source, I am guessing someone already worked it out
02:56:22jhMikeSzivan56: I plan on trying it out soon...I was just obsessed with figuring out the I2S issue :)
02:56:34jurriewild.... playing bubbles on the Sansa as we speak... screen image just jumped down 1/3 of the way for about 1.5 seconds, then jumped back to normal
02:56:36zivan56ah, well its definitely a more important one
02:57:07zivan56(i2s issue)
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02:57:59zivan56now just fm/mic recording and the sansa should be quite usable :)
02:58:04jhMikeSjurrie: yep, that happens a lot too
02:58:31jurrieand now a "meltdown"
02:58:37digerati1338is a "svn: failed to add file" error because of a patch, and if so how do I know which patch is causing it
02:59:10SoapI've never seen that error, what command had you issued to get that error?
02:59:16Soapsvn up?
02:59:16*jhMikeS has to figure out exactly what those clock divider numbers mean to be able to have as many standard samplerate for recording as possible
02:59:17digerati1338svn update
02:59:18jurrieOK, so what can I do to help remedy that stuff?.... don't have a build environment set up (yet)...
02:59:34Soapand you have enough free space?
02:59:50Soapno wacky file permissions on one of the directories?
03:00:06jurriejhMikeS: I don't mind looking at code to find whacky stuff (been doing that for 20 some odd years)
03:00:07digerati1338more specifically, it says, "object of same name already exists"
03:00:43digerati1338so I'm guessing a patch I applied created the file and then the file was committed
03:00:48*Soap always reverts before updating...
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03:01:10digerati1338how do you revert? just run patchname -R"?
03:01:40jurriejhMikeS: from the sounds of it, you're guessing it's a frame buffer alignment issue.... particular doc/spec to check? Particular driver/API-set to cross reference?
03:01:43Soap"svn revert -R ." from your rockbox directory, IIRC
03:01:50jhMikeSjurrie: by all means ... I've got to figure out why GPIO interrupts refuse to enable which seems not obviously at all atm
03:01:52digerati1338soap: ty
03:02:09Soaprevert -R = recursively. .=starting here
03:02:47jhMikeSjurrie: nope, it's gonna be due to the pp5024 DMA controller requirements if it's that. The lcd driver chip won't care as it's port based.
03:02:55jurriejhMikeS: is the Sansa behaving so much different in this regard than other Portal-based players?
03:03:33jhMikeSit's LCD operation is more like the Gigabeat and afaik not at all like how others operate
03:03:48jurrielucky us :-)
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03:05:07jurriejhMikeS: Ok copied the chat msgs... time for me to scoot... will start to get my feet wet
03:05:49jhMikeSlater...good luck finding something...I feel it's simple somehow
03:05:55testdasiI am trying to write a patch to prevent the sansa e200 to refresh its database every time it reboot. I think it is in the "if (disable_rebuild)" of main-pp.c
03:06:39digerati1338I reverted my source and I am still getting the same error: "svn: failed to ad file 'firmware/export/audiohw.h': object of the same name already exists"
03:06:55testdasiI tried removing the if (disable_rebuild) but it still does not work
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03:09:25testdasianyone has any idea how to make it work? I tried to compile the bootloader separately but it goes straight into rockbox when pressing << (i.e. it does not boot into the original firmware)
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03:10:29digerati1338testdasi: let me take a quick look at main-pp.c. I might be able to help.
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03:14:31digerati1338testdasi: try commenting everything in the if(disable_rebuild) block. I'm not sure but it looks like that block is actually building the database.
03:14:33testdasidigerati1338: thanks
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03:46:35TheGoomanHey, My name is Gustavo Lang and I've just registered in the TWiki. As directed, I'm introducing myself and requesting writing permissions.
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03:48:26|unfug|anyone have any luck install rockbox on an 80gb ipod with the new patch?
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03:51:22digerati1338TheGooman: I should be able to help you with that. Give me a minute.
03:51:34TheGoomanSure thing, thanks.
03:53:07digerati1338TheGooman: OK you should be all set.
03:53:30TheGoomanAlright, thanks
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04:15:24KOReHtAnyone available to help me?
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04:16:41KOReHtim trying to install ipod linux
04:16:50KOReHtand im at the part where im typing commands in cmd
04:16:50midkay-> #ipodlinux
04:16:59digerati1338wrong irc channel
04:17:10digerati1338try /join #ipodlinux
04:18:51KOReHtno one do u think u can help?.. it's probably really easy to answer.
04:19:58digerati1338possibly. I don't own an ipod though, but may be able to offer advice
04:20:38KOReHtdo u know anything about ipod linux?
04:20:50digerati1338i've heard of it cant help me..but thanks :P
04:21:17digerati1338I can't help you unless you ask a question
04:21:18scorcheKOReHt: stop asking about IPL in here
04:21:33KOReHtsorry..just no one answering on other channel
04:21:42scorcheso?...this is #rockbox
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04:33:39|unfug|i'm trying to install rockbox on my 80gb ipod with the new patch, ipodpatcher runs successfully, but after i reboot the ipod it just hangs with the black background with the silver apple logo
04:35:05LloreanThis usually means that you have not installed a properly patched bootloader
04:35:28LloreanSince current bootloaders actually show text when they error, it sounds like you may have installed the bootloader built into ipodpatcher
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04:38:03|unfug|k, that's probably it, thanks
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05:56:36ManaSamahey can someone hellp me
05:57:01ManaSamai installed rockbox to my video 60 gig ipod and imake a backround it works fine ive done this before n had it all working but got a new one cuz it got stolen
05:57:29ManaSamaso i also made a backround for wen its "playing" a song.....i have get the backround to show up it is just showing the main back round
05:57:33ManaSamasomeone help plz
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06:14:26ManaSamai installed rockbox to my video 60 gig ipod and imake a backround it works fine ive done this before n had it all working but got a new one cuz it got stolen
06:14:33ManaSamasomeone help plz
06:15:07aliaskWhat is wrong?
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06:17:41ManaSamawen i play a song
06:17:50ManaSamathe theme i downloaded and installed doesnt switch over to the playing screen
06:18:00ManaSamait stayed with the backdrop the entire time
06:18:34aliaskSo the playing screen's backdrop doesn't change?
06:19:14aliaskThat's expected.
06:19:17ManaSamait stayed with the backdrop and doesnt go to the playing screen
06:19:35aliaskWhat stayed with the backdrop? That sentence doesn't make sense.
06:19:59ManaSamathe backround picture doesnt change to the now playing screen
06:20:03ManaSamawen i play a song
06:20:19ManaSamait stayes with the main backround
06:20:24aliaskAh I see.
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06:20:33ManaSamau know what i can do?
06:20:44aliaskDoes the WPS have a backdrop?
06:21:13ManaSamaits the Black Glass one
06:21:20ManaSamatheres a file
06:21:24aliaskIf you just load the WPS, will the backdrop change, or do you have to load the whole theme?
06:21:46ManaSamai go to settings>brows themes
06:21:56ManaSamathen black glass and it loads
06:22:05ManaSamabut wen i play a song it doesnt change to the now playing screen
06:22:09aliaskNot themes. Go to Settings -> Display -> Browse WPS
06:22:27ManaSamahmm ok lemme try
06:22:28aliaskSelect BlackGlass and see if it changes the backdrop
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06:25:36ManaSamait shows the backdrop
06:25:46aliaskWell, it looks like the theme sets the backdrop, not the WPS. If you want to have one backdrop for the WPS and another for the main browser, you should edit the WPS so that it changes the background
06:25:50ManaSamabut wen i play a song it does NOT go to the "now playing" new backround
06:26:00ManaSamacuz wen u play a song it shows a different backround
06:27:26ManaSama?? do u knwo what is wrong?
06:27:33aliaskI just told you what was wrong...
06:27:51ManaSamau did?
06:27:54ManaSamacan u tell me again?
06:28:07ManaSamathis is wierd cuz i had is all perfecxt on my last ipod and now its all wierd
06:28:14aliaskWell, it looks like the theme sets the backdrop, not the WPS. If you want to have one backdrop for the WPS and another for the main browser, you should edit the WPS so that it changes the background
06:28:43ManaSamathere r 2 totally different ones
06:29:01ManaSamathe backdrop and the playing pixcture r different
06:29:12aliaskI know.
06:29:18aliaskYou need to edit the WPS file.
06:29:32ManaSamacan u tell me how shouldnt be that hard but i havent done it
06:30:55ManaSamaok soooo
06:31:05ManaSamaevery single themes i download from the rockbox website
06:31:11ManaSamau need to edit the wps?
06:31:28ManaSamaso it will change fromj backdrop to now playing screens
06:32:45aliaskNot necessarily
06:32:54ManaSamaso just this one?
06:33:06aliaskI don't even know if this will fix the problem, it's just a potential fix.
06:33:07ManaSamacuz last time i had my other ipod i downloaded it and dragged n dropped and it worked fine
06:33:18aliaskAre you using a custom build at all?
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06:34:12ManaSamaits from the rockbox site
06:34:16ManaSamait has a list of all kinds
06:36:02ManaSamai guess ill try a different one
06:36:12aliaskHang on, let me test it out.
06:36:18aliaskIs it an iPod 5g?
06:37:03ManaSama5 gig ipod
06:37:08ManaSamai downloaded black glass
06:37:11ManaSaman just dragged n dropped
06:37:56aliaskAnd which theme was this? The jBlackGlass theme?
06:38:00ManaSamaBlack Glass AA v1.21
06:38:12ManaSama Black Glass (Album Art Version)
06:38:21aliaskWell, for starters, that theme requires a custom version of rockbox - it won't work with the official one.
06:38:50ManaSamathats prolly y
06:38:53ManaSamawhat version?
06:39:44aliaskWell, when you downloaded it, did you notice the thing saying "but please note you'll need my latest rockbox prebuild binnary [sic]!"
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06:44:03ManaSamait doesnt say that
06:44:33ManaSamaA WPS based on the new Window Media Player 11. This version uses the Album Art patch (iPod Experimental Builds). An non-Album Art version is available below.
06:44:33ManaSamaForum Discussion Thread
06:44:33ManaSama * Download: Black Glass AA v1.21
06:44:33DBUGEnqueued KICK ManaSama
06:44:34ManaSamaNow makes use of resizing album art patch
06:44:48ManaSamait says nothing like that
06:44:52ManaSamau got it working?
06:46:17aliaskAre you looking at the WpsIpod5g wiki page?
06:46:29aliaskOr on the website?
06:46:42ManaSamaits on both sites
06:47:03ManaSamaWpsIpod5g - WPS Gallery for the Ipod 5G.
06:47:06ManaSamaimlooking at that one
06:47:47aliaskAh, my mistake, I was looking at the non AA one
06:48:18ManaSamai tried 3 different themes
06:48:18aliaskBut yes, that one too requires a custom build, which I can't test
06:48:28ManaSamawere do i get different builds?
06:48:40ManaSamait needs v 1.21 build?
06:48:48aliaskNo, that's the version of the WPS
06:48:58aliask"This version uses the Album Art patch (iPod Experimental Builds)"
06:49:05aliaskClick the link
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06:51:45ManaSamaThe topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you
06:52:12ManaSamagawd this is so stupid
06:52:42aliaskWell, it isn't exactly rockbox's problem, it's an unsupported build that's gone missing by the looks of it
06:53:02aliaskThere are others which will do what you want though, take a look in the unsupported builds section on the forum.
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08:05:22kkurbjunhas anyone here worked with flash devices that are configurable to either write in bytes or words
08:06:09kkurbjunspecifically working with D15 and A0 sharing the same pin in byte mode
08:07:16LinusNhmmm, i can't remember i have...
08:08:20kkurbjunLinusN, I was looking for some pointers on writing code to move the lowest address bit out to D15
08:08:39kkurbjunI'm not too good with bitwise operations on pointers
08:09:02kkurbjunor addressing like it's 8 bits wide and actually putting 16 bits of data on the bus
08:09:02LinusNyou need to cast the pointer to a suitable integer
08:09:49kkurbjunby the way, is that a typical setup for flash memories in byte mode?
08:09:59LinusNi must say i'm a little confused now
08:10:23kkurbjunthis is the DS I'm looking at:
08:10:37kkurbjunlet me find the page
08:11:26kkurbjunpage 22
08:11:42kkurbjunthey talk about byte/word configuration
08:12:27kkurbjunI don't know the pin in the gigabeat to actually toggle the byte pin so I'm stuck in byte mode even though the data and address lines are properly setup for word mode
08:13:23kkurbjunso D0 through D15 are all hooked up to the data lines and A0- A18 are connected to the address lines
08:13:46LinusNwell, that only tells you that the A-1 pin is used for the lowest address bit
08:15:27kkurbjunyes, but A-1 is also shared with D15 so I can't just do a normal write to the CPU bus and expect that it will work properly.. unless I'm doing something else wrong, I have all the bytes duplicated in flash
08:15:28amiconnLinusN: Did you read about my speed test results on the 5.5/80 ?
08:15:31LinusNkkurbjun: hang in asec
08:15:53kkurbjunLinusn, ok, thanks
08:16:44amiconnThe patch is obviously working fine on all G5s and G5.5s, but sequential writing from a 512 byte buffer on the 80 is *dead* slow compared to all other targets
08:18:11kkurbjunas an added note I'm pretty much following the same style of code as the firmware_flash plugin, and just modifying the command sequences right now
08:18:31amiconnReading doesn't have that problem. I have a suspicion why that happens - the disk simply doesn't expect the same sector accessed twice. So it throws the sector out of its internal cache after the first access, and hence needs to hit the disk everytime
08:19:46amiconnWrite speed from a 512 byte buffer is 2..3MB/s on other G5s, but 23KB/s (!) on the 80
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08:22:15ryranhey everyone
08:23:05ryranlooking for some help with the wps parser... what should I be seeing if I run the sim with the −−debugwps switch?
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08:27:54kkurbjunryan, I think Nico_P would be able to answer your question
08:29:06ryranI'm just feeling kind of dumb because it's obviously not loading my wps, but I'm not getting anything and I don't know what to look for.
08:30:45amiconnkkurbjun: I wonder how the flash access can work at all if the bus configuration and device configuration mismatch
08:30:57amiconnNot only for programming, but also for reading...
08:31:06kkurbjunI gotcha, I don't work with the WPS stuff at all so I can't really offer anything though
08:32:44kkurbjunamiconn, reading seems to work fine.. writing is giving me those duplicated bytes.. It seemed to fit with the description of the byte/word mode to a point.. this may not be the problem though. I see the bytes duplicated in flash even if I only execute a single write to the flash
08:33:46kkurbjunthat code is identical to ProgramByte in firmware_flash too (except for the commands)
08:34:21kkurbjunand if I execute the commands to do word writes the flash doesn't try and write
08:34:33kkurbjunit only accepts the byte commands
08:35:55kkurbjunand addressing reacts like byte mode as well
08:36:00kkurbjunit is strange though
08:37:47kkurbjunI'm a bit confused on all this though as I haven't really worked with flash devices at all
08:40:15kkurbjunthis openOCD jtag debugger is nice, it really works well with the Xilinx Cables
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08:42:04*amiconn wonders how a single write might cause duplicated bytes...
08:43:03amiconnThe only thing I can imagine atm is if there are actually 2 flash chips, one for the even and one for the odd bytes, and you're accidentally writing to both of them at the same time...
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08:43:37kkurbjunthat would be an odd setup
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08:45:37kkurbjunI am doing all my memory reads over the jtag chain, but it seems pretty stable to me, all the rest of the flash reads out fine through it
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08:48:31kkurbjunfrom toffe82's tracing there is no indication that there would be two flash devices in a setup like that either
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09:07:31kkurbjunLinusN, I need to sleep, if you come up with any pointers I would greatly appreciate them. Thanks for looking at it. Thanks amiconn as well.
09:07:41LinusNsleep tight
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09:19:40amiconnLinusN: I think I should commit the patch. Even if small buffer writing is very slow, it works, and it allows to work on larger sector support in fat.c incrementally
09:19:56LinusNi think so too
09:19:56amiconnBtw, dir.c and file.c need to be adjusted as well
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09:20:20LinusNsmall buffer writing, is that like FAT updates?
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09:20:46LinusNor cfg files?
09:21:03amiconnYes, but actually it doesn't hit fs performance much, as these accesses are non-contiguous anyway
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09:21:28amiconnIt's writing sequential files from a 512 byte buffer that suffers most
09:23:39LinusNsomething we don't do a lot, i suppose
09:24:31amiconnWell, config files, .playlist_control etc are all written that way
09:24:44amiconnBut then all these files aren't very large
09:26:04amiconnCompare this: (results from linuxstb's iPod video) with this: (results from the 80GB)
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09:28:26linuxstbamiconn: I think you should commit now as well - if it's only write speed you'll be significantly improving, then it won't stop us releasing the bootloader now, so people can start using Rockbox on their 80GBs.
09:31:29GodEaterhmm - I've had my iPod lock up a couple of times now if I power it on with the usb cable plugged in
09:31:56linuxstbGodEater: Yes, that problem has been around for a while...
09:32:07GodEaterah good - as long as I'm not suffering alone
09:33:29*GodEater has just sent off a fresh complaint to BT about his lack of internet connection
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09:36:07cropI have a question about a recent change in sound.c, function "sound_get_fn." Why is there the need for the switch? Why can't the func be accessed by index as it was done before?
09:36:12GodEaterwas your 7:18 commit prompted by my forum post linuxstb ? :)
09:38:02linuxstbGodEater: Partly - I was thinking about changing that yesterday, but your forum post made me do it :)
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09:39:04linuxstbWe should put instructions for rebooting and disk mode in big friendly letters on the front of the Rockbox manual...
09:39:06GodEaterme is looking forward to the influx of 80GB related posts that are sure to arrive soon
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09:39:23GodEaterlinuxstb: next to the words "Don't Panic" perhaps ?
09:39:32linuxstbNah, we like to panic users...
09:39:41laure1who can help me, I want to apply a patch on my ipod photo, put the patch on the root folder of my ipod and used the patch -p0 patchname from the terminal. But nothing happens in the terminal
09:39:44GodEaterotherwise where's the fun
09:40:02B4gderlaure1: can you build an unpatched rockbox?
09:40:15sneakumslaure1: patch -p0 < patchname
09:40:16pondlifeHmm, is there a new dontpanicf() function?
09:40:16linuxstblaure1: Patches are changes to the Rockbox source code - you need to download the source code, apply the patch, and compile to create a
09:40:17laure1jup, Im running rockbox if thats what you mean
09:40:43laure1do I need the < sign in the terminal?
09:41:03sneakumsyes, patch reads from stdandard input by default; < will feed the file to standard input
09:41:05B4gderlaure1: primarily you need the source code and development environment
09:41:17laure1ahh ok, I think thats the problem, will give that a try , one moment
09:41:27sneakumsoh, root folder of your ipod
09:41:37sneakumslaure1: also, what everyone else said :)
09:41:52sneakumsi've left out < so many times myself i just jumped on that
09:41:53GodEaterwe so need to call patches something else
09:42:10sneakumsGodEater: "diffs" is another often-used term
09:42:22sneakumsalthough using patch to apply diffs may be just another type of confusion
09:42:33GodEateralias patch=diff :)
09:42:49sneakumsnot sure that'll do what yoy want :P
09:42:51GodEaterthat might not be so bright however
09:42:54linuxstbI've suggested in the past that we stop referring to them as patches, and call them diffs.
09:42:55sneakumsand there's already a "diff" command
09:42:58laure1hmm Im seeing more right now :) only it says can' t find the file to patch
09:43:03GodEaterwell it will - but then diff will stop working
09:43:08laure1do I need to put the patch in the ./rockbox folder?
09:43:13linuxstblaure1: Patches are changes to the Rockbox source code - you need to download the source code, apply the patch, and compile to create a
09:43:14laure1.rockbox I mean
09:43:14sneakumslaure1: no, see the comments above regarding the source code
09:43:38GodEaterlaure1: you don't have the source code currently
09:43:38laure1ok, sorry now I understand
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09:45:19laure1is there some manual for this, because the working for patches doesnt tell me where to download the right source etc
09:45:48GodEaterlaure1: search the wiki for instructions on setting up a development environment
09:45:51linuxstblaure1: Try the links in this section -
09:45:59GodEaterthere are about three different methods on the wiki
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09:46:35laure1ok, but to be sure, the only thing I want to do is run the multiple-fonts patch, do I really need to rebuild the whole thing for this?
09:47:10linuxstblaure1: Yes, or look for an "unofficial build" with that patch included - a version of Rockbox where someone has already applied that patch for you.
09:47:11GodEaterlaure1: yes
09:47:23laure1thats a good idea :)
09:48:55*GodEater wonders how up to date with the current source tree the multi-font patch is anyway
09:49:42laure1what I want to do is use nimbus 12 in the menus and de default font in the play window
09:50:52linuxstbamiconn: If you have a chance, can you copy the MBR from the 80GB - so we can add it to downloads for macpod conversion? They're on the download server, so you'll need to give it to Bagder/LinusN. Can you name it mbr-video80gb-2048.bin ?
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09:53:35*GodEater could do that too
09:53:39laure1hej I must go, thanks everybody for your help
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09:54:23linuxstbGodEater: I forgot you had an 80GB :) Thanks. Just "dd if=/dev/sdx of=mbr-video80gb-2048.bin count=1" - assuming you haven't repartitioned to add IPL.
09:54:47GodEaterthe very idea
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09:55:43GodEaterdo Bagder / Linus have a preferred method for getting it to them
09:56:05B4gdera URL we can get it from
09:56:28GodEaterright - I'll hunt down one of those file sharing sites
09:56:44linuxstbYou could just email it to me and I can host it easily.
09:56:46B4gderyou can email it to us as well if that's easier for you
09:57:16B4gderthose sharing sites are usually so annoying
09:59:47GodEateremailed it to you Bagder
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10:00:37B4gdergot it
10:01:37*linuxstb downloads it and discovers he already had one (identical md5sum) sitting on his hard disk since january...
10:01:54GodEaterI think I've got about 4 copies of it here with various names :)
10:02:05linuxstbMaybe you gave it to me then...
10:02:15GodEatervery possibly
10:03:01GodEatershall I delete the IpodEightyGB wiki page now then ?
10:03:26B4gderthere's a mbr-video80gb-2048.bin file present already
10:03:49linuxstbhm... I just updated the wiki and was surprised the file was there so quickly...
10:04:00B4gderdifferent from GodEater's though
10:04:04*linuxstb loves wasting time
10:04:08GodEateroooh really ?
10:04:28GodEaterthat's worrying
10:04:36*GodEater promises he's not done anything to his
10:04:51linuxstbI've checked the one already on the server, and that looks fine, so I think we should keep the older one.
10:05:00linuxstb(i.e. the partition table info looks correct)
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10:05:32B4gder@@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
10:05:32B4gder-00000000 eb 58 90 4d 53 44 4f 53 35 2e 30 02 00 08 00 02 |X.MSDOS5.0.....|
10:05:32B4gder+00000000 eb 58 90 4d 53 44 4f 53 35 2e 30 00 08 08 00 02 |X.MSDOS5.0.....|
10:05:38B4gderthe only difference
10:06:04B4gderthe first being the older one
10:06:11GodEatertwo bytes
10:06:53GodEaterI'm not sure what those two bytes do either
10:07:18peturit's bytes per sector
10:07:41petur02 00 = 512
10:07:58peturI think
10:09:16linuxstbIt's not part of the boot code?
10:09:34*petur is checking
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10:10:18peturerrr.. that should have been 00 02 = 512
10:10:59petur00 08 = 2048
10:11:30peturthat first one looks strange, did you try to mess with it?
10:11:36GodEatersurely the older one is wrong then
10:11:47peturlooks like it
10:11:58linuxstbpetur: Are you sure that's the sector size?
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10:12:52petur says so too
10:13:00linuxstbThe MBR references I've seen just have code from 0x0 onwards - e.g.
10:14:51*petur is puzzled by linuxstb's link
10:15:27linuxstbIs the boot sector the same as the MBR? Your link looks like a "superfloppy" - i.e. a single partition without an MBR/partition table.
10:15:44GodEaterI didn't think a boot sector was the same as an MBR
10:15:52linuxstbBut yes, the MBRs we're getting from ipods seem to match the wikipedia link.
10:17:08peturthen why is the name in ascii in that dump?
10:17:34linuxstbAlthough the two "further structures" are all zeros - just the "common structure" (first 36 bytes) match.
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10:21:02GodEaterwell the iPod doesn't "boot" from it's disk does it ? It boots from flash - so the "code" there doesnt' actually do anything does it ? It's like 446 bytes of free space....
10:22:05peturit's a combined MBR/bootsector thing I think, I've seen it before on CF cards
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10:22:34peturit's got me confused quite some times in the past already
10:23:07peturhowever, I'm pretty sure the 2 bytes behind the name are the bytes-per-sector
10:25:11linuxstbYes, so GodEater's MBR (the second one) looks correct?
10:25:35linuxstb(2048 bytes per sector)
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10:26:02linuxstbI have seen MBRs with all zeros at the start though - I think the Linux fdisk creates them like that.
10:26:49peturI think it depends on the first three bytes
10:27:02*Siltaar is interested in language support for plugins
10:27:05linuxstbB4gder: Can you overwrite the old one with GodEater's ?
10:27:09Siltaarsomeone to contact ?
10:27:16peturFAT/MBR code is a real mess, not a clear standard
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10:27:41*GodEater thinks we should also provide a column with the md5sum for each mbr in the wiki
10:28:29GodEaterisn't the 2048 on the end of the 80GB's sector kind of superfluous ? It doesn't come in any other size...
10:28:54linuxstbI guess someone could upgrade a 5g with an 80GB disk...
10:29:03GodEaterI suppose so
10:29:15linuxstbBut yes, it's kinda surperfluous...
10:31:01linuxstbSiltaar: If no-one is replying to you in IRC, you could try the rockbox-dev mailing list
10:31:43linuxstbSiltaar: But as you've probably realised - there's no infrastructure for language support in plugins, so that needs to be written before you can use it...
10:32:57B4gderGodEater's MBR is now what we offer
10:33:50peturGodEater: did you ever try to change the MBR of your disk?
10:33:57GodEaterjust need amiconn to commit the patch now
10:34:02GodEaterpetur: No - never did
10:34:10Siltaarthanks linuxstb
10:34:26peturthen how come there's a difference
10:34:37GodEaterwe don't know where the earlier MBR came from
10:34:43GodEaterso it's difficult to say
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10:36:45linuxstbChecking the IRC logs, I've found when I asked Zagor to put the MBR on the download server, but I can't see any references to me asking anyone for it...
10:37:35B4gderscorche: around?
10:38:02linuxstbAh, it was from DataGhost - I asked him in #ipodlinux. He said it was the original MBR he backed up from an unmodified ipod...
10:38:41B4gderscorche: I'd appreciate if you could make a rough poll around your plausible devcon attendees for tshirt sizes (M/L/XL), so that I can ship them over soon
10:38:54GodEatermaybe he sent you the wrong one
10:38:57linuxstbIt's still here -
10:39:45scorcheB4gder: alright....i was actually wondering if it was worth it to send me a few extra for those in the US that want one so you dont have to send from europe....not sure if that is worth it though
10:39:58linuxstbGodEater: There's also talk about the difference in those two bytes here -
10:40:24B4gderscorche: well, I can easily add a few bonus ones
10:40:53scorcheB4gder: well, i dont know if it would be worth it for you, really
10:42:11GodEaterlinuxstb: around what time in that log ?
10:42:23B4gderwell, my primary concern is for the devcon west poeple anyway
10:42:40B4gderI haven't really started planning on the rest
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10:43:12linuxstbGodEater: It's mentioned twice - search for "00 08"
10:43:15peturheh, DataGhost actually says there that his has 02 00 and the other has 00 08
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10:43:52scorcheB4gder: will do then...there are a couple who are not devs that are attending...should i count for them as well, or not?
10:44:06B4gderscorche: count them too
10:44:20GodEaterhow curious
10:44:26petur02 00 seems totally invalid to me, it should be either 00 02 (512) or 00 08 (2048)
10:45:02scorchealright...will do
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10:48:27amiconnI get a different MBR from the 80GB from that on the dl server
10:49:05peturoh how nice
10:49:41peturwas it messed with by Linus?
10:49:51B4gderwe can't trust that guy
10:50:36peturanybody who wants abba and ace of bass can't be trusted
10:51:36amiconnIt's Ace of Base, btw
10:51:47peturI wouldn't know ;)
10:51:48GodEateramiconn: does LinusN's one look like DataGhost's then ?
10:52:01amiconnWhere can I find that one?
10:52:16*scorche sings "Its a beautiful life! ooooh oh oh oh!"
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10:54:08GodEaterlinuxstb: is ipodpatcher ready for amiconn's commit too? i.e. with a new bootloader ?
10:54:25linuxstbI can't build the bootloaders until amiconn commits, but yes, I'm ready to build...
10:54:35GodEatersilly me
10:55:15linuxstbAs I now have a linux-ppc machine (the PS3), I may as well make a PPC build of ipodpatcher as well.
10:56:17B4gderI bet there's a huuuge crowd of users screaming for that! ;-P
10:56:24*linuxstb wonders if the next ipodpatcher should be 0.91 or 1.0
10:58:10linuxstbOK, I guess we can call it stable...
10:58:27GodEatershame it's too early for bubbly
10:58:34pondlifeWho says?
10:58:45GodEaterok - it's too early for *me* :)
10:59:09B4gderok, here's my summary of devcon 2007 =>
10:59:21GodEateroh pooh - I can't look at it :(
10:59:29bluebrotherB4gder: \o/
10:59:36GodEaterwork proxy hates
10:59:40B4gderhaha, yeah my site is a nasty hacker's site
10:59:51pondlifeBad hacker!
10:59:54B4gderGodEater: the entire domain or just my part?
11:00:00GodEaterthe entire domain
11:00:26amiconnGodEater: Yes, LinusN's 80GB bootsector is identical to DataGhost's
11:00:29B4gdersomeone told me they had it blocked since the word hacker is used on multiple places
11:00:49GodEaterthat's probably the brain dead attitude they took here too
11:00:54*linuxstb spots the use of Flash on B4gder's page and wonders what happened...
11:01:11pondlifeeBay advert...
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11:01:15GodEaterhe's been letting Bagder Junior play on his PC again
11:01:15B4gderlinuxstb: I just happen to like the bottle ads ;-)
11:01:15bluebrotherGodEater: maybe you can a ipv6 gateway like
11:01:32linuxstbpondlife: That's no excuse ;)
11:01:35amiconnBut the differences near the beginning aren't relevant anyway, since that's just the x86 boot code
11:01:37GodEaterbluebrother: hahaha - there's no ipv6 infrastructure here at ALL!
11:01:46bluebrothertoo bad. works though
11:01:55pondlifeThat Tower Of Rockbox is scary to look at
11:02:08bluebrotherbut I'm annoyed my wlan router doesn't support ipv6 all the time :(
11:02:31B4gderpondlife: christi did look a bit concerned when I stole her targets to improve it ;-)
11:02:37GodEaterbluebrother: you mean it supports it some of the time ? :)
11:02:44pondlifeOndios would be safe enough...
11:02:49pondlifeBut HDDs?
11:03:25B4gderhey, what's the challange with "safe" ? ;-)
11:03:38bluebrotherGodEater: unfortunately not. But if I had get a different version of the same router I could add support with a firmware replacement ...
11:04:00amiconnThe partition table starts at 0x1be in the MBR. Everything before that is irrelevant as long as one doesn't want to boot an x86 PC from that disk
11:04:18*linuxstb was (appropriately) admiring the leaning tower in Pisa at the time the Rockbox tower was built...
11:04:48bluebrotherhey guys, does anyone know this debugger?
11:05:10bluebrotherI was thinking about getting one for the not-too-far future
11:05:43pondlifeDid any progress get made on Viewports? I didn't see any notes...
11:06:00pondlifeI mean at DevCon..
11:08:35pondlifeLinusN: Nice moves to "...Bright Side Of Life" there ;)
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11:09:20pondlifeNext year it'll have to be Ma na ma na...
11:09:37bluebrotherin such a sad moment?
11:09:51B4gderpondlife: the progress is that amiconn has a complete design in his head ;-)
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11:10:05amiconnyeah, still just there :/
11:10:10pondlifelol, I thought that was already the case!
11:10:16amiconnBut I explained the overall concept a bit
11:10:40pondlifeSo they didn't attack your head with a can opener to get the concepts out?
11:11:01B4gderpondlife: we were scared what else that might leak out ,-)
11:11:08pondlifeGood point :)
11:11:42bluebrotherlooking at the pictures: why wasn't the projector also showing the irc logs? ;-)
11:11:54peturactually, amiconn had to explain it about three times before one of us started to understand it ;)
11:12:03pondlifeHmm, KISS then?
11:12:14pondlife(Sorry, just joking)
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11:13:42LinusNpondlife: yes, we applied KISS on his head: "Keep It Sealed Stupid"
11:14:02pondlife"Kiss my sealed head"
11:14:25B4gderbluebrother: truly an improvement for next year! ;-)
11:14:58B4gderkiss is stupid silliness
11:15:06LinusNthat would probably have killed that poor computer, it struggled to keep the webcam going
11:15:23*petur looks at LinusN and wonders if he just opened that leftover beer
11:16:11peturone small bottle of kasteelbeer, very dark and sweet (stong to, 11%)
11:16:35pondlifeHuh, you guys weren't working hard enough?? ;)
11:16:37GodEaterno wonder it's small...
11:16:59peturpixelma had the other one ;)
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11:18:32LinusNpetur: nope, i keep it for the next bootloader release :-)
11:18:46peturah, which reminds me....
11:18:53LinusNpetur: ah, yes
11:19:11peturunless that release is coming soon - I can wait a bit
11:19:27peturbut it looked so much better :)
11:19:58LinusNpetur: is 1.30eu ok?
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11:21:49peturthis also makes me remember that disconnecting from my (dell) laptop also made yours get stuck in the USB screen
11:22:17LinusNnot only the bootloader, right?
11:22:22petur(it was yours I think or was that with mine - bad memory)
11:22:40peturno it was in rockbox itself
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11:33:56linuxstb B4gder: It's not important, but do you know why this page (for example) contains two different timestamps? Is one the commit time, and the other the time the build started?
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11:53:18LinusNwow - the compiler speaks to me
11:53:39GodEateryou must be like Neo in the Matrix Linus :)
11:53:44peturI wonder what it would say to _you_
11:53:46LinusNhello gcc, what do you want?
11:56:08peturand gcc says: "better code"
11:56:08Siltaartalk_id(P2ID(units[unit_no]), true);
11:56:08linuxstbpetur: Isn't that what we say to gcc?
11:56:08Siltaardoes anyone know where P2ID is defined ?
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11:56:08linuxstbSiltaar: Probably lang.h, which you will find in your build directory - it's generated by the build system.
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11:56:08GodEatersettings.h according to my grep -R
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11:56:08linuxstbSiltaar: No, I'm wrong....
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11:56:08linuxstbIt's in apps/settings.h
11:57:13SiltaarOk thanks, I had been checking : lang.h misc talk version ... ... ... :)
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11:58:10Siltaarbut a grep -R would have been quicker...
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11:58:46bluebrotherhmm −− I'm wondering which compiler talks to LinusN. Is it gcc at all?
12:00:28Nico_PLinusN, the man who whispered in the ear of compilers
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12:13:39*linuxstb looks at the "cfg file options" thread and wonders if the rockbox mailing list could bounce emails generated by Outlook Express...
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12:31:53enderlinuxstb: you could probably do that at the MTA level :)
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13:01:01boris85hello there
13:01:28boris85i have a ipod 80g + rockbox question
13:01:42boris85about the patch#5 posted on flyspray
13:01:58boris85#4 sorry
13:02:04linuxstbWhat's the question?
13:02:44boris85is it fonctionnal yet
13:02:59boris85cause i installed it and it won't play
13:03:10boris85i bet it's normal but just to make sure
13:03:13linuxstbIt should work - what are you trying to play?
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13:03:31linuxstbAnd have you used Rockbox before?
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13:03:37linuxstb(on a different player of course)
13:03:51boris85well any format really
13:03:51boris85yup h100
13:04:14linuxstbWhat happens when you try to play a file?
13:04:18boris85i been a fan since long
13:04:42boris85in fact the problem seems to occur before showing the normal rb menu
13:04:50boris85i only tried it once
13:05:19boris85since it did not work *that* bad i assumed it was its normal behaviour
13:05:31boris85i m going to try it once again
13:05:39boris85chotto matte ne?
13:05:47linuxstbDid you compile both your own bootloader and your own Rockbox?
13:06:02preglowjapanese don't use question marks!
13:06:04boris85i've got ipodlinux bootloader...
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13:06:10boris85they do
13:06:15preglowi don't care :>
13:06:44boris85i'm not japanese so i would really know
13:07:03linuxstbboris85: Which version of the ipodlinux bootloader? Older (before January 2007) versions don't work correctly with Rockbox any more.
13:07:11boris85btw anyway of rebooting an ipod from apple os w/out pressing menu+play?
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13:07:38boris85no its godeater's boot loader 2
13:07:49linuxstbI've no idea what that is...
13:07:52DerPapstlinuxstb: older ones before that don't even support the 80Gb iPod :P
13:08:04linuxstbDerPapst: Fair point...
13:08:08boris85it's 2.5d6
13:08:21linuxstbboris85: But anyway, you still haven't told us what happens...
13:08:35boris85i've got rb bleeding 070522
13:08:44boris85patched w/ #4
13:08:46DerPapstyou might have to make a loader cfg. because autodetection is broken in that version
13:09:30boris85it sort of hangs for about 20s displaying rb splash
13:09:32linuxstbDerPapst: Do you remember a conversation you had in #ipodlinux with DataGhost in January about different values in the MBR on the 80GB ipod video? 08 00 compared with 00 02 ?
13:09:53boris85i have a cfg.
13:10:00DerPapstwell i read flew over the log...
13:10:20boris85and then when i go into "files" there isn't any files... too bad
13:10:32linuxstbDerPapst: It's not important, but I'm curious if you ever found the reason for it.
13:10:51linuxstbboris85: Obvious question, but have you copied any files? itunes puts your music in a hidden folder called iPod_Control
13:10:53DerPapstafaik not.
13:11:13boris85another interesting point i've got 772GB of free space, someone wants to buy my ipod?
13:11:25boris85(according to system menu)
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13:11:46boris85linuxstb: i sure have!
13:12:05DerPapstboris: did you format your fat32 partition in linux?
13:12:24boris85i don't know, don't remember...
13:12:29boris85i think i did...
13:12:40DerPapstyou have iPL installed i guess...
13:12:41boris85you think fat16/32?
13:13:03DerPapstnope. it might be a problem with makefs
13:13:22DerPapsti had this problem too.
13:13:36boris85what should i do?
13:13:44DerPapstthe apple fw faild to write to the fat32 created with makefs
13:13:49boris85reformat using window$
13:13:59DerPapstwould be the easiest.
13:14:52boris85i've had some problems looking like that (corruptions occuring all the time), but i wouldn't affect rb would it?
13:15:31linuxstbIf your filesystem is corrupt, then Rockbox won't be happy...
13:15:35DerPapstthe odd thing is when you use makefs to format the fat32 partition linux and windows are happy with it. The apple fw is able to read from this partition but it fais writing it. but rockbox refuses to work with the partition at all.
13:16:06linuxstbDerPapst: Do you have a 30GB or 80GB?
13:16:19linuxstb(I assume you've got a 5.5g?)
13:16:41boris85i have a cool message : *PANIC* \n Writing on sector\n0[a sort of dotted square]
13:17:07linuxstbThen that sounds like a corrupt filesystem...
13:17:13boris85happened when i pressed the "menu" button in the system menu.
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13:17:52DerPapstlinuxstb: if i recall correctly there is a forum post at which is about that issue. (30GB 5.5G)
13:18:25boris85ok so i guess i'll have to transfert all the content of my disk on a pc,format and reupload
13:18:31DerPapstthey soved it with re-fromatting the partititon in windows.
13:19:07boris85can i keep the same db files if i reformat? so that i don't have to copy everything w/ itunes...
13:19:31boris85see what i mean...
13:20:01DerPapstlinuxstb: this one:
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13:23:28boris85well thank you for your help, i'm definitly going to format!
13:24:06DerPapstdo so
13:24:21boris85thank you also for your work on rb. best thing that happened on my h140, best thing that might happen on my ipod!
13:24:22DerPapsttell me if it worked (i'm reading the logs)
13:24:43DerPapstbecause windows didn't want to format my 80GB iPod last time i tried.
13:24:49boris85rb4ever <3
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13:26:20DerPapsttime to go... work ;)
13:26:27DerPapstsee you
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13:26:59*GodEater managed to find the email address for the CEO of BT Retail this morning, and sent him a long, but polite, complaint email. Five Minutes later someone from his office called and I'm finally starting to see some action out of BT. Woohoo!
13:27:17*petur just managed to get two young birds back out of the office (flew in through the open window) :)
13:27:20GodEaterthat's more or less completely off topic but I had to share it
13:28:51linuxstbGodEater: Nice result :)
13:29:17CassandraCongrats on finding the address. I am in awe.
13:29:21GodEaterlinuxstb: I'll be happiest when I actually have a working phone line / internet connection - but at least someone's taking the time to call *me* rather than the other way round :)
13:29:28CassandraI usually send paper mail.
13:29:58GodEaterI'm willing to share it if anyone else is having similar pain with them
13:30:08GodEaternot that it was that tough to find to be honest
13:30:42GodEatera google search for "ceo" and "BT Retail" turned it up pretty fast
13:30:57CassandraGodEater, look at it this way - at least they're not NTL^WVirgin media, who made me wait three weeks, decided they couldn't give me service the day before, cancelled my installation appointment, but didn't seem to think it was worth mentioning this to me.
13:31:04CassandraThere's a word for people like that.
13:31:07GodEaterI'm suspecting it was the CC: to that really spurred the action :)
13:31:28GodEaterCassandra: I'm well beyond three weeks of waiting now!
13:31:40*petur personally knows the Benelux region manager
13:31:45peturof BT
13:31:51GodEaterlucky you!
13:31:56linuxstbpetur: Can he help get GodEater a phone line in London?
13:32:18CassandraSpeaking as someone who does a lot of this stuff (complaining) in a semi-professional capacity (I volunteer at the Citizens' Advice Bureau), politeness and persistence are the most important factors in getting results.
13:32:18peturhe's the bass player of my fav band ;)
13:32:22GodEaterthis is from when you kidnapped him and threatened to set his feet on fire for a similar infraction on the continent I guess ?
13:32:40GodEateroh - that's a most disappointing explanation
13:32:45GodEaterI preferred mine
13:32:52peturhe's a very nice guy
13:33:18CassandraGodEater, BT came round within a week for me (although they charged me 125 quid for the privilage and missed the first appointment, but then they did actually provide phone service, unlike NTL.)
13:33:46GodEatergood god that's pricey
13:34:09CassandraIf you need new wire laying, that's what they charge. :(
13:34:19GodEaterah - I'm fortunate there - I don't
13:35:15CassandraAlso why Virgin won't do it. They don't have a legal obligation to provide service, so basically can't be arsed.
13:35:19GodEaterto be fair, the chap who spoke to me this morning was equally nice and coherent. It's just the morons at the call centres I object to
13:35:40GodEaterespecially having to wait for an hour for them to even pick up the phone
13:37:01CassandraYeah, that is annoying.
13:37:13CassandraParticularly when you're on a mobile so it's not free.
13:37:21GodEaterand that's what I've had to put up with every day for three weeks
13:37:32GodEateryeah - I started calling from work to avoid that charge
13:37:54markunGodEater: I worked at a call center. It's really a frustrating job and most of the time I felt like I was the only one who cared about customers.
13:38:08GodEaterI can only imagine
13:38:35Cassandramarkun: It's why when I get a polite and helpful monkey, I always thank them for going the extra mile.
13:38:50GodEaterultimately it's not their fault either - they can only work with the information that's presented to them. If I blame anything directly it's the infrastructure they have for communicating between the departments
13:39:08GodEaterit's clearly extremely useless
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13:39:50CassandraTheir system for transferring ADSL tokens also blows goats, if that's any consolation.
13:39:57markunGodEater: the helpdesks are usually a seperate company and a nice way to avoid taking any responsability
13:41:35GodEatermarkun: yep - same where I work. Our helpdesk is in Hungary :(
13:43:23markunGodEater: I've also did helpdesk work for TDK, that was quite ok. If you wanted to send someone a CD with drivers, firmware updates or have their CD burner replaced it was quite easy to do so.
13:52:05GodEaterI used to work on a helpdesk, but it was a pretty specialised company - there were only three of us when I started.
13:53:03aliaskI used to work at a call centre, and it was plagued with system downtime, and inconsistent information. It wasn't fun working there.
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14:07:13GodEateramiconn changed his mind about commiting the new ATA stuff ?
14:09:54preglowhe's testing it yet
14:10:22GodEatercould have sworn he said this morning he was going to commit it
14:10:40*GodEater looks at his coffee suspiciously
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14:21:09B4gderbtw, wasn't the 80GB magic art at least partly figured out by rockbox people?
14:22:47LinusNi believe so
14:23:25B4gdergiven the request from an ipl person that we gave credit to them, I was curious to see if they mention us anywhere...
14:23:37LinusNwell, my small contribution was finding out that the 80gb drive only accepted even sector alignment
14:23:46B4gder... and I failed
14:24:29LinusN...which is about all the magic there is about that drive
14:25:55preglowdoubt you'll find anything
14:26:46LinusNan ipl person has requested credits for the 80gb support?
14:27:04B4gderno, just in general
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14:27:33B4gderbut there's a "thanks to XXX we now support the 5.5G 80GB" post on their site
14:27:35LinusNah, i see
14:28:56preglowthere's an "et al"
14:28:59preglowthat could be you :O
14:30:04GodEaterAs I recall, DerPapst from the iPL project noticed the the iPL kernel wasn't doing as badly as our kernel was at reading from the drive. LinusN then sussed about the even sector alignment and always having to read two blocks at a time.
14:30:22GodEaterDataGhost then went and fixed the iPL kernel so it would work properly
14:30:54GodEateroh, and I figured it was an ATA-7 drive I think. Maybe.
14:30:59B4gderyes, I was more curious about the issue in general
14:31:16GodEaterthose are the names of the key players I believe :)
14:31:17B4gderthey have gotten quite some stuff from us
14:31:56GodEaterI'm sure they wouldn't argue
14:32:11B4gderbut we didn't credit any other projects either our first 6 years ;-)
14:32:19LinusNwhere is that post btw?
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14:32:43B4gderyeah =>
14:32:50peturalso mentions as a note that we don't support 80GB
14:33:50LinusNwell, we don't
14:34:28preglowwhen's soc coding officially start again? 29th may?
14:34:38GodEaterI think we're implied in the et al :)
14:42:29aliaskIf something mentions "active low" does that mean active if shorted?
14:42:55peturto ground
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15:01:43webguest33hi i just installed rockbox, now when I plug it in, i'm not sure how to find it since IPOD doesn't appear on my desktop anymore, running on Ubuntu
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15:02:04intgrwebguest33: It should appear as a normal removable disk.
15:02:29webguest33nod well it doesnt apper on the desktop ....
15:02:33webguest33guess i'll try reboot or something
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15:18:59GodEatercan't have been running Ubuntu long
15:19:03GodEateryou don't reboot linux!!
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15:20:22webguest57yea the latest daily build for ipod 3rd gen results in the ipod not being able to be detected as a normal drive by both Linux & Windows
15:20:26GodEaterI ssh in at that point and kill the X server
15:20:29B4gderpetur: control-alt-backspace
15:20:29peturw2k didn't do that as much as ubuntu :/
15:20:34B4gderrestarts X
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15:21:03GodEatertbh I think the HAL stuff in linux is overcomplicated
15:21:03peturB4gder: I had it at devcon and it didn't help iirc
15:21:19GodEaterI had a go a writing my own rules for mounting devices and I couldn't make it work
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15:21:37peturbuggy video driver I figure
15:21:44GodEaterwebguest57: try typing "dmesg" in a terminal window after you've connected the iPod and see if it reports seeing it
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15:21:54B4gderI have a buggy driver too, nvidia...
15:22:09peturheh, mine is nvidia as well
15:22:14*GodEater uses the intel i810 driver, which is damn near perfect :)
15:22:22B4gderbut my problems are usually very minor
15:22:26peturwell I'm not using the nvidia supplied one as that was even worse
15:22:27GodEaterruns beryl very well if that's your thing too
15:22:56B4gderI find beryl a fun thing but find no real use for it
15:23:00peturI took ubuntu over kubuntu so I think beryl isn't my thing
15:23:22B4gderGodEater: you use the "shaky" windows settings too etc?
15:23:22GodEaterI think beryl is DE agnostic
15:23:24webguest57ender: dmesg is reporting errors
15:23:26peturI tried the desktop animations and it made me sick
15:23:37peturwobbly windows yuck
15:23:52B4gdermade me dizzy ;-)
15:23:57GodEaterB4gder: I don't use them no - I DO like the rotaty virtual desktop though
15:24:01webguest57usb-1.6: device descriptor read/64, error -62
15:24:05webguest57i get a bunch of them when i connect it
15:24:09*petur stops OT alarm bell
15:24:19B4gderI find it amusing to rotate the desktop, but i didn't actually _use_ it
15:24:19GodEaterwebguest57: sounds like the drive may be damaged
15:24:33GodEaterI also LOVE window transparency
15:24:37B4gderI had it over two screens too and it was fun
15:24:37webguest57and usb-1.6: device not accepting address 14, error -62
15:24:40GodEaterit actually comes in useful
15:24:51GodEaterwebguest57: again, sounds like the drive is damaged
15:24:57webguest57GodEater: well, with the regular IPOD stuff, it was mounting fine?
15:25:08GodEaterwebguest57: restore it in iTunes then
15:25:35GodEaterwebguest57: Rockbox has *NOTHING* to do with the USB support on the iPod - we don't mess with it, so if it's not working, it's nothing to do with rockbox
15:26:33GodEaterB4gder: I've never had a machine with enough gfx cards to try multi-head support. One day :)
15:27:08webguest57how do i reboot with the original firmware?
15:27:19*petur sees no practical use at all in window transparency
15:27:20webguest57nevermind found it
15:27:43peturbah, I start talking like a linux geek
15:27:59B4gderhaha, you have been assimilated... well soon anyway
15:28:14peturyesterday I was using commandline on windows again
15:28:29peturhadn't done that in years
15:29:38webguest57yea i just booted into the original firmware and it shows up fine as IPOD on my directory...
15:31:11linuxstbwebguest57: I don't think Rockbox on the ipod 3rd gen has ever had USB detection, so you will need to reboot manually into the Apple firmware.
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15:32:07GodEateroh, it's 3rd gen? I missed that.
15:33:17webguest57yea 3rd gen doesnt have usb support? the 3rd gen guide seems to indicate it does
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15:33:54linuxstbWhich 3rd gen guide?
15:34:11webguest57the one from the rockbox site..
15:35:22linuxstbI assume you mean the manual? Not many Rockbox people (maybe just one person) has a 3rd Gen, so it's not impossible that the manual is inaccurate in places.
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15:35:59linuxstbwebguest57: So if you find inaccuracies, please report them - posting them as bug reports is the most effective.
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15:38:00linuxstbFair enough...
15:38:46GodEateryeah or just go sulk somewhere
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15:54:21peturLinusN: running your bootloader. there's something wrong in bootloader usb mode: I've had it either not showing up at all in windows, or giving a crash (I03: Address)
15:55:00peturthis is on my dell screen hub at work (which somebody told me is only usb 1.1)
15:55:18peturwill try at home too tonight
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15:55:38LinusNreally odd, it works for me here
15:56:02peturwill test more and let you know if I can see some pattern
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15:58:27peturbooting into OF since a long time, I haven't seen the corrupted params as I used to, I wonder if that got somehow fixed
16:00:59peturLinusN: urgh - it hangs at power-up after showing the batt voltage - not doing anything USB related at all
16:01:26*petur puts spare paperclip in wallet to be sure
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16:02:56peturbah... got it several times in a row, booting now :/
16:03:37LinusNthat sucks big time
16:03:56peturhappens at least 50% of the time
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16:04:15peturwonder if it's related to my 80GB disk?
16:04:19LinusNwhen you insert usb?
16:04:35peturnono, just booting with the ON button
16:04:51petursee, we should have done this at devcon ;)
16:04:58B4gderthe brand new rockbox booting game
16:06:31XavierGrpetur: what do you mean the new bootloader, the one that fixes USB connection problems for most of us?
16:07:02peturI'll try flashing it again at home (maybe related to those reports that you need to flash it twice) and then I'll revert back to v5
16:07:27peturXavierGr: don't know which one you use
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16:07:49XavierGrstrange, for those that had the dreaded bootloader USB mode problem the new "unreleased bootloader" fixed it
16:07:59XavierGrand now you say that you have problems with it
16:08:04peturmajor baddness here :/
16:08:14XavierGrit seems that a single bootloader can't keep all users happy
16:08:27nardulI just installed rockbox on my not 2 hours old ipod. I read most o the manual, but it said nothing about where to place the music :P
16:08:46peturnardul: choose your own dir structure
16:08:47B4gdernardul: place it anywhere you like
16:08:48XavierGrnardul: in your dick?
16:08:57XavierGrlame type
16:09:26nardulThanks then :)
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16:09:32petur"a dirty mind...."
16:09:41XavierGrno really sorry, I am ashamed :(
16:10:02*linuxstb is still laughing...
16:12:01amiconnB4gder: 'bootbox' is already taken...
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16:17:36B4gderit goes beyond me
16:19:14LinusNthat is pretty hard to make configurable and have good performance
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16:20:19linuxstbbluebrother: Maybe see what preglow thinks.
16:20:49*amiconn wonders what people want more eq filters for
16:20:52cropIs it possible to customize the layout of the task view in FS? The old layout was way better imho.
16:21:53B4gderI don't think so
16:22:01linuxstbcrop: I'm not a big fan of the new look either, but I guess I'll get used to it...
16:22:15cropE.g. there is no vspace between the comments. Very hard to read.
16:22:32B4gderperhaps the css can be tweaked
16:22:39preglowi think it looks good
16:23:03cropWhat is the advantage of the new version? It should outweigh the bugs in the view
16:23:04preglowcould be some vspace, i give you that
16:23:09linuxstbpreglow: You know me, just a grumpy old man who doesn't like change...
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16:23:10peturheh... talk about EQ filters and preglow shows up ;)
16:23:27linuxstbAlmost as reliable as the B word
16:23:59preglowadding more eq features would pretty much only be a gui code job
16:24:05preglowhence, i'm not touching it
16:24:20linuxstbDo you think it's a sensible idea?
16:24:28preglownot really, no
16:24:39cropB4gder: where is that css? Is it ?
16:24:47preglowone could always argue for more eq bands
16:24:55preglowbut i don't see the point in tweaking filter types
16:25:13preglowthe arrangement with two shelving filters and the rest peaking filters is pretty standard
16:26:26cropAnd the placement / alignment of the labels "Username", "Password" etc is... ehm weird
16:29:08nardulHow paranoid am i being if i don't want to reboot my computer because i just attached my ipod to load the battery for the first time, and i don't want interruptions?
16:29:51B4gderwhy would you reboot?
16:30:03nardulGoing into windows. A firend wants to play.
16:30:10cropHas any progress on WMA codec been made? I've converted the few wma songs I had to mp3 for now. So that's not very important to me. But just out of curiosity.
16:30:34B4gdercrop: saratoga has that project in his lap for the summer
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16:32:05preglowmerbanan: no news on the fixed point wma front, i take it? :/
16:33:42markunnardul: what does paranoia have to do with it?
16:33:50linuxstbpreglow: There's been nothing on the mailing list at least...
16:34:13nardulmarkun, Just a phrasing, the question is, does it really matter if the initial charge id disturbed for a few seconds?
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16:34:47preglowlinuxstb: what he's mentioned about wma fixed point has been conducted off-list, i think
16:34:59preglowlinuxstb: at least he tried pinging him off-list
16:35:00markunnardul: I'm not li-ion expert, but I don't think it will be a big problem
16:35:20linuxstbpreglow: There was an initial discussion on-list, but nothing since around early April I think.
16:35:28markunnardul: maybe they have an answer:
16:36:01markunnardul: " Lithium-ion is a very clean system and does not need priming as nickel-based batteries do. The 1st charge is no different to the 5th or the 50th charge."
16:36:23markunnardul: so yes, you can just stop charging and continue later
16:36:32preglowlinuxstb: that sucks to a major degree
16:36:46preglowi was very much hoping the fixed point part would be out of our hands
16:37:10nardulmarkun, hmm, weird, sales people are known to be "idiots", but he didn't know that.
16:37:52linuxstbpreglow: Yes, that would have been very nice. Now Saratoga has to work for his money ;)
16:38:01preglowvery much so
16:38:32markunnardul: check the site, I think they know what they are talking about
16:38:51nardulI am
16:39:38markunbut I have also been told by mobile phone salesmen that it's very important to fully charge the first time and completely drain the battery every time. The first is not true and the last part is not very healthy for li-ion batteries
16:39:39preglowsomeone code me type of banana that doesn't have a boring taste, please
16:40:14petursoak it in beer?
16:40:25preglowi've tasted banana beer and it was horrible
16:40:45markunpreglow: what about coconut beer?
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16:41:02markunand beer with a strong taste of rice
16:41:06preglowi've seen it, but people say it really doesn't taste beer, so i've skipped tasting it thus far
16:43:13preglowi don't think rice really adds much taste to a beer
16:43:23preglowwhich is why it's used so much in american light beers
16:43:27preglowtogether with corn
16:44:08markunI once had a very nice beer in a tibetan restaurant with a strong rice taste
16:44:37markuntoo bad I didn't think to ask for the name of the beer
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16:52:46Alldogshiphmm... does rockbox change the ipod firmware?
16:53:04n1sAlldogship: it shouldn't
16:53:28Alldogshipgood, so my problem isn't there
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17:47:52GodEateramiconn ?
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17:53:47GodEaterhi webguest95
17:54:01webguest95where i can find PP5021 datasheet?
17:54:15bluebrotheryou can't. It isn't publically available
17:54:47GodEaterbut maybe in a dumpster around the back of PortalPlayer's offices ? :)
17:55:02GodEaterand if you find one, can we have a copy ?
17:55:39webguest95GodEater> ok. NP :)
17:56:44GodEaterseriously, if you find one somewhere - come and talk to us
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18:03:38linuxstbwebguest95: Out of curiousity, why are you looking for it?
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18:06:55intgrIf I have an ancient MP3 player with non-upgradeable (to my knowledge) firmware then would it do any good if I uploaded scans to the wiki?
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18:13:02preglowsince it'd be brainsurgery to upload anything new to it anyway
18:15:07intgrWhy brain surgery? :)
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19:15:43nlsbluebrother: I was just about to close that :-)
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19:26:16linuxstbbluebrother: There's a perfectly suitable fixed-point Realaudio (Cook) decoder in ffmpeg...
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19:32:40bluebrotherlinuxstb: I was more referring to that "more" with that statement than to a specific format
19:33:25bluebrotherbut I guess real audio is much less interesting than wma ;-)
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19:34:14linuxstbThere are still a fair amount of webcasts and radio stations streaming in realaudio... But it does seem to be disappearing.
19:35:05*ender` yawns
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19:39:41E2khi anyone here who could help me with a strange rockbox problem
19:39:57nlsE2k: ask away
19:40:45E2kif i listen to some music after a while the display doesnt change anymone and the keys are not respnsive
19:40:58E2kbut if i tuoch them the backlight goes on
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19:41:21nlswhich player, build and bootloader do you use?
19:41:34E2kipod 5.5 30gb
19:41:46E2kbootloader link from manual
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19:41:56E2kand the newest build
19:42:20nlsso music keeps playing, and the backlight works but the display seems to lock up?
19:42:40*amiconn decided to commit the simplest version of the 80GB patch with a single sector cache
19:42:53nlswhat kind of files do you play?
19:43:20E2ki pay them throu the database
19:43:27E2knot the file browser
19:43:38linuxstbamiconn: Should I build some bootloaders and make a new ipodpatcher release, or are there improvements coming in the very near future?
19:43:39E2kanother stange thing is
19:43:45E2kif i plug in the usb
19:43:52E2kthe music stops
19:43:57nlsok, well I have no idea what may cause this issue, have you tried older builds?
19:43:58E2kthe display stays
19:44:22E2kand anfter maybe 10 minutes it reboots to hard disk mode
19:44:28nlsE2k: if you plugin usb it should enter apple diskmode, and stop music
19:44:37E2kmusic stops
19:44:42E2kno reboot
19:44:51E2konly after a big while
19:45:44E2koh and the locked symbol apears at the top
19:45:54E2kbut cant swich it off
19:46:06E2kvery strange behaviour
19:46:08linuxstbThe locked symbol means the hold switch is on...
19:46:18E2kyes but it isnt
19:46:32E2kand hasnt been used
19:46:36linuxstbHave you been using Rockbox for long?
19:46:44E2k2 days now
19:46:57linuxstbSo I assume the Apple firmware didn't have the same problem?
19:47:11E2kno the apple firmware seems fine
19:47:15E2kno problems there
19:47:34linuxstbSo the lock symbol appears when you insert USB?
19:47:52linuxstbAnd normally the lock symbol isn't there?
19:47:55E2kit happened just two times
19:48:11E2kwhen i was listening to music
19:48:22E2kand then tried to swich it off
19:48:33E2ki noticed this bug
19:49:48E2ki am try ing to reproduce it right now
19:49:58E2kresetted the ipod
19:50:43E2kselected the first song of an album in the database
19:51:03E2klets see if it happens again
19:51:58amiconnlinuxstb: I think we should release a new bootloader + ipodpatcher (+rbutil)
19:53:01linuxstbamiconn: OK. rbutil doesn't need updating - it downloads the bootloaders, rather than embedding them.
19:53:06amiconnChanging the FAT driver and fs will be a lot more work and hence won't happen soon. And since the bootloader doesn't need to write, there is no performance problem
19:56:19amiconnlinuxstb: Do we now know what amount of RAM the G5.5/30GB has?
19:56:28Nico_Pamiconn: hurray ! :D
19:56:39linuxstbamiconn: I assume it's 32MB, but it's only an assumption.
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19:56:50amiconnassume != know
19:57:02linuxstbThat's what I said.
19:57:51amiconnSomeone should just try a 64MB build on a G5.5/30GB
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19:59:31a1titudeI'm so confused by looking at the "todays" irc log, whats happening with the 80gb patch? lol
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20:01:45linuxstba1titude: It was committed about 5 minutes ago...
20:02:28a1titudereally, cool
20:02:56*amiconn wouldn't have expected this piece of code to add almost one KB :(
20:02:59a1titudeahh, its there now! I see it.
20:03:27liniare there any major differences between the patch in FS #6549 and the commit?
20:03:39a1titudeStill slow then I take it amiconn?
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20:04:34amiconnlini: There are differences. The latest patch uses 2 sector buffers, the committed version only uses one
20:04:51Nico_Pamiconn: it's quite a lot of code... adding 1k is easy
20:04:58amiconnThis speeds up directory scan a bit, all other operations stay the same
20:05:18E2ki locked up again
20:05:18a1titudewell, good work getting this far! :)
20:05:26liniI noticed that the 5.5G 80gb boots a little bit slower than the 30GB 5G
20:05:36amiconnI could have sped up other directory operations by using 8 buffers or more, but imho it's not worth it
20:05:37liniusing the same bootloader/firmware
20:05:45linibut it's no big deal
20:05:52E2kthe any ideas
20:06:17amiconnSequential writing would still stay as slow as now
20:06:28a1titudenow the question is, when is it installable?
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20:10:15DerPapst<B4gder> given the request from an ipl person that we gave credit to them, I was curious to see if they mention us anywhere...
20:10:16DerPapstThe ipl person was me. And i wanted you to credit the iPL project because rockbox uses a lot documentation from iPL and most of the drivers for 3G to 5G (except the optimized vodeo driver. and we didn't forget that. )
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20:10:37DerPapst*video driver
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20:11:39a1titudeahh, why is windows update so annoying, well looks like I have to restart my computer again! *sighs*
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20:12:37robin0800has any one compiled the build for the ipod video by inputing 64? when using make I get an inisilsation warning in plugin.c
20:12:42peturDerPapst: ipl is mentioned in the CREDITS file
20:13:01peturI admit this was done only some days ago
20:13:20LearAnyone against my bookmark patch?
20:14:05LloreanLear: You should ask on the mailing list.
20:14:10DerPapstpetur: right. after i requested it ;)
20:14:28LearI've mentioned it there, though it was on the developer list...
20:14:36petursure, but leaving ipl out was not done on purpose
20:14:38LloreanIt's been said pretty clearly now, if you're uncertain about a patch the mailing list is where to go because IRC only necessarily gets seen by the people watching the screen at the right time.
20:14:42DerPapst"requested" sounds a bit hard in this context though
20:15:22peturadding the other projects to the credits file is a direct result of the first meeting of devcon2007
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20:15:38DerPapstpetur: i know. i wasn't complaining or anything.
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20:16:12linuxstbDerPapst: If I was around when the first commit to the CREDITS file was made to add other projects, I would have mentioned IPL as well ;)
20:16:36robin0800should there be two cvs ipodvideo builds now the 64MB patch is in the cvs build only has 32 at present
20:16:54LloreanThere should be no CVS builds because we're on SVN
20:17:10robin0800ok svn then
20:17:12LloreanBut I think there was talk on adding a 64mb build
20:17:42LearChecked the current build page lately? :)
20:17:42amiconnThere is a 64MB build...
20:17:47robin0800can you see my earlier question
20:17:49DerPapsti just said the abouve because it sounded in log like i've only requested to have iPL in the creditsfile because "we figured out the 5.5G 80GB" which isn't true. It was teamwork of both projects.
20:18:33Lloreanrobin0800: I see a 64mb current build. What's the question then?
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20:20:17robin0800well i get a warning on plugin.c when i use 64mb
20:20:43amiconnThe build system doesn't throw a warning
20:20:51amiconnSo you must be doing something different
20:21:32robin0800the build system is built with 32mb isin't?
20:21:43Lloreanrobin0800: There's a 64mb one too.
20:22:00LloreanLook at the Current Build page?
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20:22:27LloreanIt's the one that says "64MB" after the words "Ipod Video"
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20:22:40robin0800I mised it sorry
20:23:52robin0800I have a nasty feeling this must be the album art patch then
20:24:31amiconnWell, "a warning" isn't very specific...
20:25:08robin0800inislising pointer in plugin.c
20:26:18LloreanWait, so you complained about an error without testing on a clean build?
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20:31:49XavierGrshouldn't the main page be updated to indicate that 80GB ipods are supported now?
20:32:15nlsXavierGr: a new ipodpatcher should be built first...
20:32:16XavierGr(or just remove the "(30GB and 60GB models only)"
20:32:21XavierGrah okay then
20:32:23amiconnOnly after releasing the new bootloader + ipodpatcher
20:33:19XavierGramiconn: do you think it would be possible to mod my ondio with a normal led?
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20:34:02XavierGrinstead of just put the EL foil and the correct circuitry I maybe could stack a LED in there
20:34:14XavierGrI just don't know the wirings or if it requires more than just a LED
20:34:17nlsLear: does building for coldfire with gcc 4.1 bring any benefits?
20:34:46Lear_Not that I know of, really, but since the change was so small...
20:35:14Lear_Haven't made any proper test though, e.g., using the new codec tester plugin.
20:35:22nlsLear_: so is it difficult to set up or just compile a new gcc/binutils?
20:36:58Lear_Well, 4.1.x is pretty easy (IIRC), at least if you use binutils 2.16.1. To use binutils 2.17, you really need 4.3, which isn't out yet (but that really needs a binutils _newer_ than 2.17)... :)
20:36:59amiconnXavierGr: For a LED backlight you would need a proper light frame + diffusor, and there isn't enough room behind the LCD to fit that
20:37:42nlsLear_: ok, thanks I might give it a go...
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20:38:08XavierGryeah I know about those diffusors to deflect the light properly but I don't have that choice, I just need something to light some part of the screen, I could also cut the front of the LED to make light spread further
20:39:01XavierGrmy main concern is do I just solder the LED on the motherboard or do I need further elements? (chips, resistors etc)
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20:39:14nardulA question, how do i get out of usb disk mode?
20:39:23linuxstbTesters needed for new ipodpatcher -
20:39:32nardulI can unplug it, but is there some way to shut it down?
20:39:57linuxstbNew set of bootloaders is here - (amiconn - can you build for amd64?)
20:40:31DerPapstlinuxstb: the version of ipodpatcher still detects my both ipods well (5.5G 3G)
20:40:59Lloreannardul: We have no idea what player you're talking about, so it's a little hard for anyone to help
20:41:42DerPapstlinuxstb: since you've only changed the way it detects the ipod i haven't tested the installation of the bootloader or any other functions.
20:41:46nardulLlorean, ah, yeah, an ipod :) It's because i've been in here soo many times. 5.5g
20:42:17LloreanIf you're in USB mode because you plugged in a USB cable in Rockbox, unplugging it should lead to it restarting.
20:42:30LloreanIf you manually entered USB mode, you'll have to manually restart, that's the way the Apple firmware works.
20:43:04amiconnLlorean: I thought it would be like that on all ipods, but the G5.5/80 is different...
20:43:13nardulLlorean, It's in rockbox, it just says "don't unplug" so i was wondering if there was a way i ought to shut it down first, thanks.
20:43:29Lloreannardul: It's not in Rockbox, Rockbox doesn't have a USB mode.
20:43:33Lloreanamiconn: The 80gb requires a manual restart?
20:43:35DerPapstLlorean: if i enter diskmode manually it reboots after 15 seconds if not connected (5.5G 80GB)
20:43:44amiconnLlorean: No, the opposite
20:43:53nardulLlorean, I know, but rockbox automatically reboots into it
20:43:59amiconnDiskmode reboots after unplugging even if entered manually
20:44:04Lloreanamiconn: Ah, interesting
20:44:21Lloreannardul: Yes, but it's not "in Rockbox", I just wanted to make sure you were aware of that.
20:44:36DerPapstthe 30GB 5.5G uses the same aupd image.. so in theory it should act the same
20:44:40Lloreannardul: It should automatically reboot after properly ejecting and unplugging then. If it doesn't, you'll have to reset.
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20:45:18nardulLlorean, It does, just wanted to amke sure i didn't have to hold a button. Thanks for your help.
20:45:19amiconnlinuxstb: Btw, the debug menu reports that the G5.5/80 has a PP5022C. Iirc the other G5s use the PP5021C ?
20:46:00linuxstbI didn't know the debug menu did that... I wonder where the info comes from.
20:48:34amiconnIt reads the PP version string from 0x70000000 and 0x70000004
20:49:00amiconnAnd for some reason the HW rev reported on the G5.5/80 is 0xffffffff
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20:49:29linuxstbYes, I've just got there... The HW revision doesn't work for any 5/5.5g
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20:50:22linuxstbThat's a hack still there from the very early days of the port - it's read a magic location in flash, so is done in the bootloader. Now we remap flash, we could just do it in Rockbox itself...
20:50:55linuxstbIt's only needed on the Photo/Color - to help distinguish between the two LCD types.
20:51:46amiconnWell, we could also use it to distinguish mini G1/G2, but there are more differences than just the LCD data ports buttons+wheel
20:53:32linuxstbThe two mini builds don't seem have caused any problems so far, so I can't see a big need for merging them.
20:53:51linuxstbBut it's always nice to reduce builds.
20:53:54amiconnOh, and even the PP
20:54:21*amiconn wonders what PP is in the G5.5/30
20:55:12linuxstbInteresting, my 30GB 5g (bought very soon after release) also says PP5022C in the debug menu.
20:56:25amiconnHehe, and my mini G2 says PP5022B
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20:58:29*linuxstb pings Bagder to do some download server work
20:59:23amiconnHmm, someone should check PP version on a nano
20:59:28*amiconn has a suspicion
20:59:54DerPapstPP5033A? :P
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21:00:16linuxstbI would guess PP5022C
21:00:58DerPapstamiconn: 2G mini?
21:01:19GhoulunaticGot a question, I need serious halp
21:01:22preglowamiconn: i've got a nano, but i can't in any way open it
21:01:29a1titudewhen is ipod patcher going to be realesed for the 80GB? sorry I'm really kinda exsited about this! lol
21:01:35preglowthe last time i tried, i just succeeded in bending the back cover somewhat
21:01:37amiconnpreglow: Debug->View HW info
21:01:40GhoulunaticI installed the newest build for my Gigabeat F series, and now I'm getting a "Codec Failure" message
21:01:44preglowamiconn: that i can do
21:02:06linuxstba1titude: Too excited to read the logs?
21:02:09*amiconn expected that now
21:02:21amiconnMy suspicion is that the PP5021 doesn't exist
21:02:36linuxstbDissection photos say PP5021 on the chip
21:02:48amiconnThere is no product brief for it unlike the 5002, 5020, 5022 and 5024
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21:03:17linuxstbI'm sure I've seen references to it though - in press releases etc.
21:03:23amiconnThat is probably to confuse people. Iirc there are also PP chips with no printed type number on them
21:03:44linuxstbe.g. here -
21:03:55a1titudelinuxstb: tbh, I don't know what I'm looking for in the log!
21:04:03DerPapstGeneration wiki over at iPL says that mini 1G have pp5020 and 2G minis have pp5022
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21:04:18amiconnDerPapst: Yes, that's correct
21:04:27amiconnThere seems to be a revision letter as well
21:04:41linuxstba1titude: I uploaded the new ipodpatcher here -
21:05:01amiconnlinuxstb: A simple check: Try to use 128KB of IRAM...
21:05:23a1titudeahh, thank you (well its one of those days where my brain was washed out in the shower! ha)
21:05:28bluebrotherGhoulunatic: this indicates you didn't unzip the file correctly −− you need to replace all files in the .rockbox folder
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21:05:48bluebrotheralso, make sure there is no file rockbox.gigabeat in the root folder
21:05:51GhoulunaticI dunno how that happened, but I'll unzip it again
21:06:16bluebrother(that file is now inside the .rockbox folder)
21:06:53*preglow wants docs on the nano g2 hardware...
21:07:05GhoulunaticOk, now my Gigabeat won't show up in my explorer
21:07:05a1titudeso the 80gb ipod port is good to go then I take it...
21:07:15GhoulunaticI got the confirmation that it connected
21:07:27linuxstbamiconn: Maybe the PP5021 was made especially for Apple (hence no public brief). We know there is 128KB of IRAM, because the reboot-to-USB procedure involves writing some magic to the end of IRAM, and that's based on 128KB for the Nano, Video and 2nd Gen Mini.
21:07:30DerPapsta1titude: already in SVN
21:08:03amiconnlinuxstb: But why does it report PP5022C then?
21:08:08a1titudeyeah, I've got it! :) thanks - If I find any bugs, I'll keep you updated.
21:08:10linuxstbThat I can't answer...
21:08:22amiconnThe "real" PP5022 (in the mini G2) says PP5022B
21:09:05DerPapstThe PP in the nano is listed as "PP5021C-TDF" in the generations wiki...
21:09:29linuxstbMaybe it started life as a revision of the 5022, and then the marketing people wanted to give it a new number...
21:10:10linuxstbDerPapst: Yes, same as this photo of a 5g shows -
21:10:16Ghoulunaticbluebrother: i just remembered, I forgot to do the Battery switch thing
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21:11:21preglowlinuxstb: i assume you don't know of any advances on cracking the samsung chips?
21:11:33linuxstbamiconn: Can you build an amd64 ipodpatcher? I can add it to my zip ready for Bagder.
21:11:43*DerPapst is afk (doing some stupid sports :P)
21:11:49linuxstbpreglow: You assume correctly.
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21:13:12preglowlinuxstb: they look far nicer than portalplayer...
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21:13:25GhoulunaticOk, so now I'm frozen at the splash screen
21:13:28linuxstbThey do, none of that dual-core nonsense...
21:14:48GhoulunaticI'm gonna pull my hair out..
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21:15:19preglowoh, there is dual core, but the other core is a high performance dsp!
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21:15:38preglowwhich it's perfectly safe to ignore, to boot
21:16:54amiconnlinuxstb: I can try... if I would only remember the procedure :/
21:17:17crichardsoni have a question i was looking at the project and was woundering if a song rating feature has been developed?
21:18:12linuxstbamiconn: Read the top of the Makefile in rbutil/ipodpatcher and download from
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21:20:40GhoulunaticSo is my Gigabeat bricked?
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21:21:20linuxstbGhoulunatic: Which splash screen does it freeze at? The initial Toshiba screen, or the Rockbox logo?
21:21:32Ghoulunaticthe Rockbox logo
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21:21:45linuxstbGhoulunatic: You've installed the latest bootloader?
21:22:31Ghoulunaticunless there is a way to force a connection to my computer, I can't
21:22:53linuxstbYou can hold a button (I think it's MENU) to enter USB mode in the old version of the Rockbox bootloader.
21:23:14Ghoulunaticwhen do I do that?
21:23:16linuxstbIn the new version, the bootloader will automatically enter USB mode if it detects a connection whilst booting.
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21:23:30linuxstbAs soon as you start your gigabeat - as the bootloader is running.
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21:23:49linuxstbThe screen should display "USB mode" or "Recovery mode" or something similar.
21:23:59linuxstbYou can then attach to your computer.
21:24:22LearHe, the 2G Nano supposedly have a 200 MHz ARM CPU, 256 KB internal RAM and CalmRISC16 coprocessor (as well as a MAC something)...
21:24:33amiconnlinux is strange... :\
21:24:38GhoulunaticI wasn't getting anything from Menu
21:24:40preglowextension to calmrisc doing fast mac
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21:24:40Ghoulunaticso I held A
21:24:42preglowwhich is good...
21:24:53Ghoulunaticand it said something about returning to original firmware
21:25:04Ghoulunaticand then it said "Woops, should not return from frimware!"
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21:25:23linuxstbGhoulunatic: Did that work?
21:25:26amiconnlinuxstb: amd64 ipodpatcher built successfully, and it can find the G5.5 when plugged
21:25:32Ghoulunaticthere we go
21:25:37Ghoulunatic"Entering rescue mode"
21:25:38amiconnBut for some reason gnome doesn't want to mount the thing...
21:26:32amiconnlinuxstb: dcc?
21:26:36Ghoulunaticthe drive is spinning
21:26:42linuxstbamiconn: I think it's worked in the past...
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21:27:30Ghoulunaticok, I didn't enter rescue mode
21:27:42Ghoulunaticbut the screen says "Rockbox Loaded"
21:27:52amiconnlinuxstb: Hmm, that dreaed 'failed' at the end again :/
21:28:02amiconnWhat's the md5 of what you received?
21:28:12linuxstb47fcb2162a812c3fe8c5d90b6a2ee366 ipodpatcher-amd64
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21:28:28linuxstb382400 bytes
21:28:35amiconnOk, matches
21:28:53GhoulunaticI'm trying the rescue mode again
21:28:56Ghoulunaticits "Entering" still
21:29:04linuxstbamiconn: OK, thanks, I'll update my zip
21:29:52crichardsonany one have a sansa? i am intrested in rockbox because hmm its opensource :) but i was woundering what the diffrents between the original firm/os and rockbox is i looked at the webpage but i didnt notice much diffrents but plugins and filetype support
21:30:12Ghoulunaticlinuxstb: I'm still frozen at Entering Rescue Mode
21:30:25Ghoulunaticdo I plug it in now?
21:30:39linuxstbYes, try that.
21:30:46Ghoulunaticnothing yet...
21:30:53Ghoulunaticmaybe I waited too long
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21:31:50linuxstbcrichardson: Reading the manual may give you an idea of how it differs. Or just try it - it's easy to uninstall.
21:31:58jnitetimecan anyone help me with Video iPod Rockbox?
21:32:29linuxstbGhoulunatic: Maybe you should wait until someone who knows more about the gigabeat is around, or you could try #gigabeat
21:32:45Ghoulunaticlast time I went into #gigabeat, they yelled at me to come here
21:32:46linuxstbjnitetime: Just ask
21:32:46GhoulunaticI think
21:32:52linuxstbhehe ;)
21:33:12linuxstbIn which case, don't tell them I sent you...
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21:33:28Ghoulunaticlol, ok
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21:34:11Ghoulunatichow long do I power cycle for?
21:34:13Ghoulunatic10 seconds?
21:34:38jnitetimeok, well i followed the manual instructions, and when i booted up my iPod, it only showed the startup Apple, so i figured it was a firmware problem, so i flipped the Hold switch, and it said "Error! cannot load Rockbox.iPod, file not found"
21:34:52jnitetimeand.. yeah...kinda need the file to work
21:34:56Ghoulunaticok, I supposedly got the original firmware loaded
21:34:58Ghoulunaticor the previous
21:35:13linuxstbjnitetime: Did you download and extract ?
21:35:20jnitetimei did
21:35:54jnitetimei can get the original firmware to boot, just not RockBox
21:35:56linuxstbThat should have given you a .rockbox folder (note the leading dot) in the root of your ipod, with a rockbox.ipod file (and lots of other things) inside.
21:36:20Ghoulunaticgod dammit
21:36:34Ghoulunaticnow its loading the gigabeat splash and the load bar gets half wayup and freezes
21:37:02jnitetimesee, the thing with that is, i got a rockbox folder that took up 1.9 MB, but i opened it and nothing was in it, so i copied it to the root of iPod and it took longer to copy than it should for an empty folder
21:37:43linuxstbGhoulunatic: The worst that can happen is that you need to do the "recovery mode trick" - which involves unscrewing the back case of your ipod, and hot-plugging the disk. The wiki describes the process.
21:37:51linuxstbjnitetime: Are you on a Mac?
21:38:39linuxstb1) The Mac unzip program creates an extra "rockbox" folder not specified in the zip file itself; 2) The Mac OS X finder doesn't show you folders beginning with a dot.
21:38:44Ghoulunaticlinuxstb: I'm using a Gigabeat
21:39:14linuxstbGhoulunatic: Sorry, replace ipod with gigabeat in that sentence...
21:39:18Ghoulunaticoh ok
21:39:33GhoulunaticI don't even see any screws :X
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21:40:30linuxstbjnitetime: The easiest solution is to try the Rockbox Utility - it's an in-development GUI install tool. It's rough round the edges, but works. You can download the Mac version from here -
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21:41:22jnitetimeso this is like an installer?
21:41:33linuxstbYes, it's exactly like an installer.
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21:41:41jnitetimeok, i'll try it out, thanks
21:42:29mpeccoriniGuys, I'm trying to make the "inverted" efect the menu does with the current selection but I can't find how or where it's done in the menu. Can someone give me an idea?
21:43:16linuxstbI'm not sure, but I expect the menu code calls the list widget code.
21:43:38Ghoulunaticlinuxstb: I can't find that tut on the wiki
21:43:49linuxstbThe GigabeatFXPort page I think
21:49:12jnitetimeSweet, it worked, thanks much
21:49:18mpeccorinilinuxstb: I found it, thanks, but is uses a pointer to a screen structure. How do I get that one?
21:49:56mpeccorininot *is but *it
21:50:38a1titudehow much more battery drain do you think the 80gb is going to have (compaired to the 60GB would be the best comparason)?
21:51:45amiconnI think it won't be measurable during normal use (i.e. playback of any kind)
21:52:46a1titudeahh, so I will I be able to get atleast 10hours of battery life out of it? (btw: I'm using the 60mb build)
21:54:20linuxstbmpeccorini: What are you trying to do? Display a list of games and allow the user to choose one?
21:57:56Ghoulunaticok, linuxstb: what isn't supposed to be in the main directory?
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21:59:24linuxstbGhoulunatic: Yes, you should only have a rockbox.gigabeat inside the .rockbox folder
21:59:33mpeccorinilinuxstb: yes, but since a file will have a variable (possibly very large) number of games I've implemented my own dinamicly allocated list of entries
21:59:37Ghoulunaticstill freezing
21:59:47linuxstbAnd you updated the bootloader?
21:59:51Ghoulunaticoh shit
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22:00:37linuxstbmpeccorini: I'm not sure of the details (or where an example is), but I'm sure the list widgets supports dynamic items via a callback function.
22:01:09linuxstbmpeccorini: You can access the screens struct via rb->screens[MAIN_SCREEN]
22:01:55Learmpeccorini: A rather simple list example is the ID3 Info screen, in screens.c.
22:02:36mpeccorinithat will do fine, thanks
22:02:48linuxstbLear: I've been meaning to ask you what the problem is with non-streaming mp4 files - is it not possible to support them in Rockbox?
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22:03:02Learmpeccorini: You'd probably want to set the scroll_all argument to false though. :)
22:03:14Ghoulunaticlinuxstb: where are the bootloaders?
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22:03:31linuxstbGhoulunatic: See the Installation chapter in the manual - that has links
22:03:47mpeccoriniLear: why is that?
22:03:53Learlinuxstb: When MoB is implemented, it can be done properly (i.e., without spinning the disk on track start).
22:04:12Learmpeccorini: Then all visible items in the list will scroll, not just the selected one.
22:04:17mpeccoriniLear: because it makes the text of all the entries scroll horizontally all at once?
22:04:27mpeccoriniLear: Ok, thanks.
22:04:47mpeccorinithat would look funny thou :p
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22:05:48linuxstbLear: Ah, so there is metadata not parsed by get_metadata() which is at the end of the file, and needed by the decoder?
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22:06:43LearYep. The seek table, basically (which is also needed to detect gaps in the data to decode).
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22:07:40linuxstbDo you know which encoders produce such files? Does itunes?
22:07:53Ghoulunaticlinuxstb: now it says "Bad Checksum
22:08:16Ghoulunaticand then it shuts down
22:08:24linuxstbGhoulunatic: You have the latest bootloader, and the latest Current Build of Rockbox?
22:08:26LearThe encoder in Winamp is the one I've seen.
22:08:44Ghoulunaticthe bootloaders recognizes USB mode
22:09:00Ghoulunaticso what, re-reinstall the latest version?
22:09:40linuxstbGhoulunatic: Yes, I would delete the .rockbox on the gigabeat (and any copies of you have laying around) and download the latest current build again.
22:10:08linuxstbNow you have the latest bootloader, you shouldn't have problems - because you can use its USB mode.
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22:12:15mpeccorinilinuxstb: I'm sorry to bother, but I can't find "MAIN_SCREEN" declared anywhere
22:13:11linuxstbmpeccorini: Sorry, my fault - it's SCREEN_MAIN....
22:17:26Ghoulunaticoh thank god
22:17:31Ghoulunaticlinuxstb: thanks so much
22:17:58Ghoulunatic:O and the side buttons light up
22:18:01Ghoulunaticthats amazing
22:18:40linuxstbGhoulunatic: Glad it's working. So you had to get a screwdriver out and use the hotswap trick?
22:19:55Ghoulunaticwasn't nearly as hard as it sounded
22:20:01Ghoulunaticok, so my theme doesn't look right
22:20:25Ghoulunaticthe peak meter is there and the layout is wrong
22:20:52nlsGhoulunatic: did you install the fonts package?
22:20:53GhoulunaticI'm using Yellowjacket
22:20:56Ghoulunaticno :X
22:21:01Ghoulunaticwait, its been a while
22:21:03GhoulunaticI think I did
22:23:10nlsthat theme seems to use album art which is not supported in official rockbox builds
22:23:43mpeccorinilinuxstb: thanks buddy, works like a charm
22:25:15Ghoulunaticunzip straight to K:\?
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22:29:40Bagderone of the top referer page to the rockbox site this month
22:30:47a1titudewhitch is better to use, the apple usb mode or the emergency one that rockbox defaults to?
22:33:06jnitetimemy protected files don't show up in this unsolvable?
22:33:12Bagderthe main rockbox web site serves 12000 visits downloading 5GB per day, in average
22:33:19jnitetimeDRM protected that is
22:33:30Bagderjnitetime: rockbox doesn't support drm
22:33:44jnitetimewell...this sucks
22:35:02TrueJournalsjnitetime: No, DRM sucks
22:35:35jnitetimewell when i said "this sucks" i was including both that DRM exists and that RB doesn't support it
22:35:36simmelNo, YOU ALL SUCK!!111
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22:35:58Bagder... the rockbox download server gets 2000 visits downloading almost 5GB per day
22:36:04TrueJournalssimmel: :'(
22:36:16a1titudedrm is something that the world could do without, behold the world of opensource, including rockbox.
22:36:28preglowwhere's that installer app come from?
22:36:39BagderI don't know
22:36:39jnitetimeinstaller for what?
22:37:31jnitetimeoh...h/o i think i've got the link here
22:37:50jnitetime fire this puppy up
22:38:16TrueJournalsjnitetime: preglow is referring to the one at
22:38:23TrueJournalsWhich looks nothing like rbutil
22:38:49jnitetimesorry 4 the confusion
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22:39:05TrueJournalsTo answer the question...
22:39:46TrueJournalsHowever, at this point rbutil is the better answer to installing rockbox
22:39:53preglowwouldn't surprise me at all
22:40:02amiconna1titude: Depends on the target. For some unknown reason on iPod Video and Nano the emergency disk mode is significantly slower than the one in the apple firmware
22:40:03TrueJournalsRockbox Installer X is no longer active
22:40:06linuxstbBagder: Can you update ipodpatcher and the ipod bootloaders on the download server?
22:40:10amiconnOn the other ipods it doesn't matter
22:40:26jnitetimeiPod Linux is ok...i prefer RB, simply because i can access most of my music easily
22:40:38Bagderlinuxstb: sure
22:40:58linuxstbBagder: ipodpatcher is here (all platforms, including the much sought-after PPC) -
22:41:21Bagdergot it
22:41:30linuxstbBagder: The bootloaders are here - - can you replace the existing with that file, plus also unzip it.
22:41:43linuxstbYou may also want to archive some things in ARCHIVE, but I'll leave that to you....
22:42:02a1titudeamiconn: I heard that, I just wanted a confermation, so I guess for large files (or lots of files) the apple one is the go, thanks
22:42:11linuxstbBagder: You can then update the news page ;)
22:43:06*amiconn wonders when the website will start using the svn www module again, or if it ever will...
22:44:00Bagderamiconn: the day someone does all the work of fixing it
22:44:38TrueJournalsCan someone committ ? It adds the BUTTON_SELECT mapping for the h10 so that test_codec will actually compile on the h10
22:45:23linuxstbTrueJournals: That's not the right way to do it, but I'll change test_codec.
22:45:33TrueJournalsOK, whatever you want to do
22:46:00Bagderdl server updated
22:47:19linuxstbBagder: OK, then Rockbox officially supports the 80GB...
22:47:26Bagdercool indeed
22:49:17TrueJournals"(Video - 30GB and 60GB models only)" should probably be removed from the list of supported players then...
22:49:47Nico_Pamiconn: what do you mean ? what's the svn www module ?
22:50:15amiconnNico_P: The website sources are in svn, the same way as they were in cvs
22:50:32amiconnThey're outside trunk/ so they don't get checked out by default
22:50:57Nico_Pis that a problem ?
22:51:05amiconnBut the copy in svn doesn't match the current website atm, and they're not used anymore
22:51:19Nico_Pah now I see the proble
22:51:34amiconnWith cvs, they were used, and committing something to cvs updated the site, offloading some work from the server admins...
22:51:37Nico_Pif it were in SVN we could all improve it :)
22:52:06linuxstbTrueJournals: Fix for test_codec committed - thanks.
22:52:21TrueJournalsThank YOU :-)
22:52:50Nico_Pamiconn: what would the fix need ?
22:53:40amiconnSyncing svn with what's currently on the site, plus fixing some server side scripts I presume
22:54:02Nico_Pso that when a commit is done the website gets updated ?
22:54:54amiconnStatic pages aren't stored as-is in svn, they have a .t extension and used to be preprocessed on commit to generate the actual html
22:55:15amiconn(using cpp)
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22:57:05Nico_Pwhat's cpp ? not the C preprocessor ?
22:57:18amiconnit is the C preprocessor
22:57:34amiconnYOu could just check out the www module to see what I mean
22:57:42TrueJournalsTo compile test_codec correctly... I need to add it to SOURCES, viewers.config, and... anything else? I feel like I'm missing something...
22:57:50Alienbiker99so 80gb is officially added?
22:58:03amiconnThere's also a sub-dir containing pictures from the first devcon, including the first attempts to build a tower of rockbox ;)
22:58:06*Nico_P looks at
22:59:04Nico_Pwhen was the first devcon ?
22:59:09amiconnsvn co svn:// <wherever you want it>
22:59:37linuxstbamiconn: How would you summarise the status of the 80GB port? (I'm updating the IpodStatus wiki page). What work is left to do?
22:59:49amiconnAccording to index.t in that dir, 2002-04-19
23:00:02amiconnIt wasn't an official one
23:02:27linuxstbTrueJournals: That's it, SOURCES and viewers.config
23:02:49linuxstbAlienbiker99: Yes.
23:02:54TrueJournalslinuxstb: OK, thanks
23:07:07amiconnlinuxstb: Basically what my commit msg says. It works now, but I think the filesystem and fat driver should be adjusted to use larger sectors directly
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23:07:36amiconnThe advantage of the solution in the ata driver is that this work can be done in several steps
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23:08:07linuxstbamiconn: I've summarised it (for users) as "More work on optimising the disk writing code is needed."
23:08:52zerogmrdoes rockbox for the original black/white 20g ipod let you play videos
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23:09:57preglowamiconn: have you got a 5.5g ipod now?
23:10:18nikosapiI would like to say thank you to whomever checked in the support for the 80GB iPods. I can't wait to play my ogg files!!!
23:10:32preglownikosapi: then amiconn is the one you should thank
23:10:37amiconnpreglow: I just borrowed Linus' 5.5g, and will send it back soon
23:10:50nikosapiamiconn: Thank you!
23:11:20preglowamiconn: okay, are you keeping it long enough to do any further work on the issue?
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23:11:58nikosapiI've been waiting probably 3 - 4 months for this, to bad I have to wait till tomorrow to play with it..
23:12:06preglownikosapi: why?
23:12:11*amiconn is supposed to work on viewports, and time is a finite resource :\
23:12:27nikosapiI'm supposed to be studying...
23:12:42preglownikosapi: that does qualify as a reason, albeit not a good one :>
23:12:54preglowamiconn: well, at least it's working now, i don't think you'll head many complaints on performance...
23:13:02nikosapiI'm off, I can't thank you enough. bye!
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23:13:34Bagderamiconn: very nice work!
23:14:06linuxstbamiconn: Now crack the 2nd Gen Nano... ;)
23:14:13preglowyes! that!
23:14:14amiconnpreglow: fat driver performance sucks somewhat in general...
23:14:18zerogmrdoes Rockbox let you have videos on your ipod
23:14:19a1titudewill my ipod charge while booted to rockbox? I can't seem to find any infomation in the manual.
23:14:30preglowamiconn: sure, but top-performance isn't exactly very essential for what we do
23:14:38linuxstbzerogmr: Yes, but not very well at the moment on the greyscale LCDs.
23:14:46preglowmy typing sucks again :/
23:15:02bluebrothera1titude: yes.
23:15:29bluebrotherbut if you connect it to usb for charging the charging might be slower than the power drain from operating
23:15:31TrueJournalsBah, someone figure out how to use the radio on the H10!
23:15:36amiconnpreglow: Most of the time it's not, but there are 2 operations where fs performance makes a big difference: (1) database build/update, (2) Deleting large directories, e.g. using disktidy
23:16:30amiconnUsing dircache for (1) means roughly a 10x speedup, just because of the improved open() performance (everything else in the fs stays at the same speed or even becomes slightly slower)
23:17:11linuxstbzerogmr: See the PluginMpegplayer wiki page - but support for greyscale LCDs in mpegplayer should only really be considered experimental. They may not be usable.
23:17:20amiconnI was surprised of how quick the full db rebuild on my H180 finished...
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23:17:55amiconnlinuxstb: It's not usable on any greyscale ipod, because the load from the greyscale lib makes sound stutter
23:18:25preglowamiconn: everything else becoming slower using dircache is expected, i think, since the physical operation has to be done in addition to the dircache update itself, since we have no long-term fs caching
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23:18:31linuxstbamiconn: Yes, that's what I thought. I wonder if the latest libmad optimisations solve that.
23:18:37*amiconn would like to see test_disk logfiles from a nano
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23:18:55preglowamiconn: i can do one now
23:19:37a1titudebluebrother: how do you mean, connect it to usb for charging? Its as usb charger.. Or do you mean opposed to a wall outlet usb charger
23:19:50a1titude*a not as, lol
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23:20:36bluebrothera1titude: if you hole menu while plugging in the usb cable Rockbox won't reboot into disk mode
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23:21:08bluebrotherthat way you can charge from a usb port. But this currently doesn't draw that much power that the usb port can deliver, so charging is really slow
23:21:12preglowamiconn: one run without dircache and one with?
23:21:29amiconnwould be nice
23:21:31bluebrotherbut there are Ipods around that come without a usb charger but only a usb cable
23:22:41amiconnpreglow: Expect one run to take roughly 5 minutes, and make sure there is enough free space.
23:22:50bluebrotherso ... anyone cracked the nano 2G yet? ;-)
23:23:03amiconnThe plugin needs enough space for ~10 seconds of writing data, so ~100MB should be enough
23:23:18a1titudeMine didn't come with a usb charger, just a cable, but I already had a usb charger that I bourght for my iAudio U2 - so am I better to use the wall charger or charge it in diskmode via the computer?
23:23:43preglowcreate 1 files/sec, what the hell
23:24:00amiconnSlower than all others, even the Ondio
23:24:10amiconn...and the G5.5/80
23:24:13preglowdoes these tests depend on file system structure?
23:24:17preglowi have tons of small files lying around
23:24:18linuxstbpreglow: For reference, here's my log from my ipod video -
23:24:44amiconnpreglow: It just creates file for 10 seconds and counts them
23:25:09preglowamiconn: yeah, and file system structure has no effect on how fast creat() is?
23:25:13amiconnThose files are all empty, so fragmentation *should* not have a significant effect
23:25:23preglowi know nothing about fat
23:26:07preglowso far the results look lousy
23:26:13preglowfar worse than linuxstb's
23:26:43peturas long as the file only needs one fat cluster fragmentation does not do much, but maybe how full the disk is may have some influence (hunt for empty clusters)
23:27:29amiconnpetur: Well, fragmentation will hit if the directory needs to be extended
23:27:36preglowi'll tidy up the disk and try again just for kicks
23:27:48peturah yes, that's true
23:28:13amiconnBut since it creates 1 file/second, there can't be more than 19, and one dir sector allows for 32 entries (and on the nano one cluster is most likely larger than 1 sector)
23:28:33amiconn(19 because of simple integer division)
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23:29:25preglowbut why would the nano be so slow?
23:29:33preglowthe flash itself should be capable of far, far more
23:29:47preglowand if the ata->flash bridge is causing this, the designers have to be seriously incompetent
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23:30:25amiconnpreglow: Did I say fat driver performance sucks somewhat?
23:30:34bluebrothersounds somewhat like this nano is dog slow in emergency disk mode thing
23:30:52amiconnlinuxstb's Video is the one that creates the highest number of files per second
23:30:52preglowamiconn: well yeah, but why would flash perform worse than hd using the same fat driver?
23:30:53bluebrotherfat isn't suited well for flash memory
23:31:38preglowdelete 2 files/sec
23:31:42preglowthat's just bloody nasty
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23:32:02preglowand this thing isn't even half-full
23:32:03preglow2 gigs
23:32:29amiconnFile create: Recorder: 12 files/s, H340: 10 files/s, G5.5/80: 9 files/s, Ondio: 8 files/s, mini G2: 7 files/s
23:32:44preglowwriting seems to be faster than reading
23:32:55amiconnYes, that's a known effect
23:33:22preglowany good explanation?
23:33:50amiconnHappens on all PP targets
23:33:56preglowU/A is unaligned/aligned, yea?
23:34:18preglowis write & verify needed?
23:34:39amiconnThat's not a speed test, but a data correctness test
23:34:47preglowsure, but do you want me to run it?
23:34:57preglowokiedoke, doing dircache test now
23:35:05amiconnIirc you already did, with the old simple version of test_disk
23:35:23preglowahh, yes
23:35:25preglowyes i did
23:35:27amiconn(which only measured read & write speed for one very large buffer size)
23:35:56amiconnWriting is also faster than reading on the hdd based archoses
23:36:20*petur reverts his h300 back to v5 bootloader
23:36:25amiconnFor those there is a very clear explanation looking at the cpu features
23:36:48nlspetur: did the svn version give you problems?
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23:37:10peturnls: yes, it hangs at boot 50% of the time :(
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23:37:57amiconnpreglow: Was that referring to me or petur?
23:37:59nlsnasty, heard any word about what's left before v6 can be released (apart from fixing that bug)
23:38:03preglowamiconn: oh, petur
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23:38:20preglowbut it's a valid question for you to, for that sake :)
23:38:26preglowso feel free to answer
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23:38:56peturI wanted to flash it during devcon but forgot, and the build Linus gave me today hangs after displaying batt voltage, about half the time
23:39:11amiconnThe explanation for archos is in frmware/target/sh/archos/ata-as-archos.S line 138ff
23:39:11peturI get the impression it's a disk timing problem
23:39:40TrueJournalsWhat's an "average" compression level for FLAC (like, 128kbps is an "average" rate for MP3, and other codecs...)
23:39:40nlspetur: I remember there was a disk timing problem with an older version too
23:39:42amiconnHehe, and there's a typo
23:39:51peturwhen it hangs the disk spins up just a bit later
23:40:38preglowwarp mode? :>
23:40:57amiconnMaybe that can be used as an abbreviation: inctruction == increment instruction ;)
23:41:17preglowbut what the hell is warp mode?
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23:41:28amiconnpreglow: warp mode == simultaneous access to internal & external bus
23:42:03nlsTrueJournals: about 900kbit/sec dependign on the content tho, and compression level, encoder used etc..
23:42:21amiconnIt's something that can be enabled in the SH cpu
23:42:37w0lfiehey all
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23:43:07w0lfiehas anyone had any experience with rockbox on an ipod 5th gen 80g player?
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23:43:22TrueJournalsnls: The encoder I'm using just gives me one option... Compression level... I want to test the H10's decoding ability using an "average" compression level... what should I use?
23:43:23w0lfiei'm looking at buying one and am wanting to get any feedback on it?
23:43:30a1titudeTrueJournals: personaly I would use the highest setting (8 I think) but I don't use lossless. I'm actually questing what codec I should use! lol
23:44:07a1titudew0lfie: rockbox just came out today, but It seems to be working really well on my 80GB as far as I can tell. so far.
23:44:15preglowcreate and delete speeds are extremely funky, but at least consistent
23:44:16preglowany theories?
23:44:23nlsTrueJournals: iirc -5 is the standard compression level but with the latest flac -8 is fast enough for mee...
23:44:48TrueJournalsOK, thanks
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23:45:04w0lfiea1titude: that's good to know. have you given it a decent thrash yet?
23:45:17linuxstb_TrueJournals: I agree with a1titude and n1s - just use -8. It's _very_ slightly slower to decode than -5, but gives the best possible compression ratio.
23:45:31linuxstb_(all my music is flac, and I only use -8)
23:45:41a1titudew0lfie: I haven't had the time yet.
23:45:51TrueJournalsI'll do a test with 5 and a test with 8
23:46:16TrueJournalsIn my testing, I'm also going to listen to the files to see if I can hear a difference in sound (I'm not really an audiophile :-\)
23:46:24amiconnpreglow: Wow, open() is fast even without dircache...
23:46:27TrueJournalsI would really consider myself an average person...
23:46:36a1titudenext time I go to calgary will probably be the test, although I can't see that happening anytime soon... (6 hours_
23:46:50amiconnpreglow: What size nano is that?
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23:49:17robin0800Posted comment on flyspray, album art patch producing warning in latest svn
23:49:21linuxstb_TrueJournals: I would be curious to see the result of test_codec with a -5 and -8 encoding of the same file...
23:49:33TrueJournalsThen I'll do those first ;-)
23:49:47linuxstb_You could also try -0 (the simpliest form of FLAC)
23:51:49a1titudeCue sheet maby? :p lol
23:51:53TrueJournalsI'll do that...
23:55:00preglowamiconn: 2 gigs
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23:55:34preglowamiconn: well, open() bloody well SHOULD be fast without dircache, what i can't understand is why the hell creat and delete isn't
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23:56:08preglowi mean,C[C[C[C come on, a _second_ for creating a file, that's beyond insane
23:56:15preglowwhat the hell happened in that line
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