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| 00:01:23 | TrueJournals | e-5: 24,872,743 bytes (~23.7 MB) -8: 24,836,771 bytes (~23.6 MB) |
| 00:01:53 | nls | TrueJournals: which version of flac are you using? |
| 00:02:01 | TrueJournals | I duno :-\ |
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| 00:02:26 | nls | TrueJournals: which program are you using to encode? |
| 00:03:07 | TrueJournals | MediaMonkey 3 Alpha 4 |
| 00:03:28 | preglow | gammel dansk time |
| 00:03:37 | nls | :-D |
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| 00:06:03 | nls | TrueJournals: ah, should be latest version, interesting slowdown for -8 for such a small improvement in size... |
| 00:06:15 | TrueJournals | Agreed |
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| 00:24:18 | LycoLoco | hey all, got a friend who's having issues with installing the bootloader on her gigabeat under vista |
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| 00:24:48 | LycoLoco | she says she's got show hidden files and folders turned on but can't see the fwimg01.dat file to rename it |
| 00:24:50 | LycoLoco | any ideas? |
| 00:25:14 | Llorean | You also need to enable showing system files |
| 00:25:18 | Llorean | Hidden files alone is not enough |
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| 00:25:57 | LycoLoco | alrighty, I'll tell her that - thanks! |
| 00:26:12 | amiconn | preglow: Well, creat and delete involve writing to non-contiguous areas. |
| 00:26:46 | mpeccorini | Fellows, I have a patch to submit but it includes a new file. The manual gives some instructions to add a file, but since I don't have an svn account yet, do I just attach the file to the task in flyspray and forget about it? |
| 00:26:57 | amiconn | But 1 resp. 2 files/second is indeed somewhat strange |
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| 00:27:01 | preglow | indeed |
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| 00:27:40 | amiconn | On Ondio I get create: 8 files/s and delete: 20 files/s, and that's also flash |
| 00:27:56 | amiconn | (with a much slower interface than on the nano) |
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| 00:29:17 | preglow | indeed |
| 00:29:21 | preglow | which is why i'm wondering |
| 00:29:39 | preglow | saratoga: hiya, how's coding? |
| 00:30:12 | LycoLoco | got it figured out, thanks guys! |
| 00:30:23 | amiconn | Btw, here are the Ondio results: amiconn.dyndns.org/test_disk_OndioFM.txt">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/test_disk_OndioFM.txt |
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| 00:30:29 | markun | LycoLoco: have fun with rockbox! |
| 00:31:02 | LycoLoco | will do - just tried it out on my dad's sansa, loved it so much that I bought a gigabeat F40 to replace my rio karma |
| 00:31:06 | LycoLoco | and that's sayin something |
| 00:31:34 | saratoga | preglow: not bad, don't know how much i've told you recently |
| 00:31:42 | saratoga | i got the ffmpeg stuff cut out a while ago |
| 00:31:56 | amiconn | hmm |
| 00:32:01 | saratoga | and have been looking into merging some of the fixed point stuff John Paul already did |
| 00:32:14 | saratoga | though his code seems somewhat broken on some files |
| 00:32:17 | preglow | saratoga: coo, that's more than i would have expected |
| 00:32:24 | preglow | saratoga: have you talked to him? |
| 00:32:25 | amiconn | preglow: Maybe the flash has the same problem as the MK8010GAH here? |
| 00:32:28 | saratoga | compared to the FP version anyway |
| 00:32:31 | preglow | amiconn: which would be? |
| 00:32:40 | saratoga | preglow: yeah, I've been emailing him back and forth |
| 00:32:57 | amiconn | If the flash has large blocks, writing 512-byte sectors involves several operations |
| 00:32:59 | saratoga | though he hasn't answered my last email a couple days ago about the problems decoding certain files |
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| 00:33:09 | Lars_G | you guys rule. I love rockbox. |
| 00:33:19 | Lars_G | Btw I was the moron who commented on visas about devcon2008 |
| 00:33:25 | preglow | saratoga: this is cool stuff |
| 00:33:44 | saratoga | i'm actually a little curious why his code was so slow |
| 00:33:49 | saratoga | he seems to have put a lot of work into it |
| 00:34:01 | saratoga | hes got almost everything in a lookup table |
| 00:34:10 | preglow | tested on target or pc? |
| 00:34:30 | saratoga | i'm waiting on Amazon to ship me a target worth using |
| 00:34:36 | preglow | sansa? |
| 00:34:39 | saratoga | yeah |
| 00:34:45 | preglow | yeah, think i read it somewhere |
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| 00:34:56 | preglow | amiconn: i think uses blocks far bigger than 512 bytes, but still, 1 create/sec... |
| 00:34:58 | saratoga | though I did cross compile his fixed point stuff routines, which was interesting |
| 00:35:26 | saratoga | the MAD fixed multiply is 4 or 5 ops, GCC compiles his into 42 ops I think |
| 00:35:29 | preglow | saratoga: anything noteworthy? what kind size operations does he use |
| 00:35:35 | preglow | saratoga: the flaming hell |
| 00:35:45 | mpeccorini | Guys, if I need to submit a new file to svn do I just attach it to the task in flyspray or is anything else I need to do? |
| 00:35:46 | amiconn | preglow: From looking at the performance values, I would guess it uses at least 8KB blocks. You could just test some more block sizes instead of the default 512B, 4KB and 1MB |
| 00:35:47 | preglow | saratoga: x86 even supports a 32x32 -> 64 bit multiply natively |
| 00:35:57 | preglow | saratoga: then i suspect he's using 64x64 -> 64 bit multiplies |
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| 00:36:21 | saratoga2 | sorry |
| 00:36:28 | amiconn | Changing those values in the plugin is simple |
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| 00:36:57 | preglow | saratoga2: have you got the code for his multiply operation? |
| 00:37:00 | saratoga2 | I thought I was looking at 32x32=64 bit multiply, but I could be mistaken |
| 00:37:41 | amiconn | hmm |
| 00:37:43 | saratoga2 | ah you're right |
| 00:37:51 | saratoga2 | he does cast to 64 bit before doing a 32 multiply |
| 00:37:58 | amiconn | The Ondio values were measured on the internal flash btw, which uses 512 byte blocks |
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| 00:38:23 | amiconn | Maybe I should measure my 4GB card, which uses 2KB blocks... |
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| 00:39:01 | preglow | saratoga2: then i get it, yes |
| 00:39:18 | preglow | amiconn: heh, i'll bet money the results will be far worse |
| 00:39:25 | saratoga2 | http://pastebin.ca/506360 |
| 00:39:45 | saratoga2 | i saw the fixed 32 types on the args and assumed it was a 32 mul |
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| 00:40:20 | saratoga2 | i don't really understand then, why do a 64x64 multiply using 32 bit args? |
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| 00:41:19 | goffa | hmm.. wonder if this would work in an x5l |
| 00:41:22 | goffa | http://shopper.cnet.com/hard-drives/seagate-lyrion-st760211de-hard/4014-3186_9-32405258.html |
| 00:43:10 | amiconn | Nope - wrong connector |
| 00:43:36 | goffa | what's the x5l use for a connector? |
| 00:43:40 | markun | goffa: wow, didn't know they were already in production |
| 00:43:54 | preglow | saratoga2: the clipping is nasty |
| 00:43:55 | goffa | yeah.. saw a 100gb toshiba 1.8 today too |
| 00:43:59 | goffa | thats not single platter |
| 00:44:10 | saratoga2 | preglow: yeah I noticed the problems with clipping |
| 00:44:12 | preglow | saratoga2: ideally, you should know what range the arguments are in so you know how to avoid clipping or overflow |
| 00:44:24 | goffa | MK1011GAH |
| 00:44:26 | preglow | saratoga2: but it's not impossible that wma is a bit unfriendly in that department |
| 00:45:01 | preglow | saratoga2: well, he does a 64x32 bit multiply, or a 32x32, depending on how sophisticated gcc is, but i'm almost sure it ends up a 64x64 one |
| 00:45:02 | saratoga2 | preglow: maybe I don't understand what that multiply does then |
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| 00:45:26 | saratoga2 | hold on, i'll get the asm from it in a sec |
| 00:45:31 | preglow | saratoga2: but anyway, x86 has a 32x32 -> 64 bit one natively, so something funky is going on if that isn't used |
| 00:45:35 | preglow | cool |
| 00:46:09 | duckie | gah! I have problems. help :( |
| 00:46:19 | Nico_P | mpeccorini: what kind of patch is it ? |
| 00:46:32 | amiconn | preglow: Test running... |
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| 00:47:29 | linuxstb | duckie: You'll need to give a little more detail than that... |
| 00:47:39 | saratoga2 | preglow: sorry, I'm talking abotu ARM |
| 00:47:48 | duckie | I just got my new gigabeat f40 today. I followed the rockbox instructions to the T, but when I turn it on, it does not load rockbox. |
| 00:47:50 | amiconn | fs manipulation is similar, but writing in 512 byte chunks gets *a lot* slower |
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| 00:47:55 | saratoga2 | I'm dissassembloing the crosscompiler output |
| 00:48:00 | duckie | sorry, I am a slow typer :) |
| 00:48:07 | preglow | saratoga2: sure, same thing |
| 00:48:11 | preglow | saratoga2: i'd love to see that too |
| 00:48:20 | linuxstb | duckie: Did you turn the battery switch off and on? |
| 00:48:22 | preglow | it's the same case as for x86, really |
| 00:48:25 | LycoLoco | duckie: do you get any kind of messages? |
| 00:48:28 | DerPapst | is there a reason for not acceppting FS #4733 (Multifont patch) exept of the red delta that it is adding? |
| 00:48:38 | duckie | no, that wasn't in the instructions. am I supposed to do that? |
| 00:49:07 | linuxstb | Yes - otherwise your gigabeat won't do a proper reboot (the Toshiba firmware just sleeps) |
| 00:49:26 | duckie | that makes sense, I suppose |
| 00:50:11 | linuxstb | But you're right - that step is missing from the install instructions. |
| 00:50:26 | Nico_P | DerPapst: It's not the right approach IIRC |
| 00:50:31 | duckie | okay, that seemed to fix it. |
| 00:50:40 | markun | DerPapst: I have been working on a nicer way |
| 00:50:48 | duckie | now what is the deal with the tiny tiny menu words? |
| 00:51:05 | LycoLoco | you'll wanna get the fonts pack |
| 00:51:09 | linuxstb | duckie: Go to Settings -> Browse Themes and choose a different one |
| 00:51:11 | DerPapst | markun: nice to hear :) |
| 00:51:13 | LycoLoco | and then you can pick whichever font you want, duckie |
| 00:51:24 | Nico_P | markun: fontcache ? |
| 00:52:05 | amiconn | preglow: amiconn.dyndns.org/Ondio%2BADATA_4GB.txt">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/Ondio%2BADATA_4GB.txt |
| 00:52:47 | * | DerPapst think that "have been working" sounds a bit like past.. but that might be due to bad english skills. |
| 00:53:18 | markun | goffa: I see there are also some 120GB dual platter drives: ST7120221CA |
| 00:53:45 | duckie | When I change themes, nothing changes? |
| 00:53:51 | saratoga2 | preglow: here it is compiled with -02 and the standard dev environment: |
| 00:53:52 | saratoga2 | http://pastebin.ca/506378 |
| 00:54:44 | mrk2 | duckie: you need to grab a new one, probably. I'm partial to black glass... |
| 00:55:15 | duckie | I'm an idiot. I don't know how to do that mrk |
| 00:56:09 | goffa | wow.. on the 120gb drive |
| 00:56:21 | mrk2 | one second, duckie |
| 00:56:29 | goffa | would be nice to get one of those and a higher cappacity battery for the gigabeat |
| 00:56:31 | LycoLoco | duckie: http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=240x320x16 |
| 00:56:37 | goffa | don't know if the battery exists though |
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| 00:56:54 | linuxstb | duckie: Did you download and extract rockbox-fonts.zip (see section 2.2.2 of the manual) ? |
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| 00:57:42 | duckie | No, I didn't. I didn't know I had to |
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| 00:58:14 | goffa | still debating what to do with my x5l and h140... i think one is going to hit ebay.. probably the h140 |
| 00:58:31 | XbooX | i bet you have had quite a few people in her in the past couple days |
| 00:58:59 | mrk2 | duckie: fonts: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts.zip |
| 00:59:11 | mrk2 | and you just extract the zip to root on the gigabeat |
| 00:59:30 | mrk2 | themes are here: http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=240x320x16 |
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| 01:01:51 | XbooX | i was wondering if anyone could take a few minites to help me get rockbox working on my 80gb ipod under windows |
| 01:02:24 | duckie | it asks if you want to replace the files and merge the folders. yes? |
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| 01:02:47 | DerPapst | XbooX: drag and drop not easy enogh? |
| 01:03:26 | krazykit | duckie, yeah |
| 01:03:26 | linuxstb_ | XbooX: The Installation chapter in the manual describes the process |
| 01:03:36 | saratoga2 | is the ffmpeg Ogg decoder related to tremor, or are they completely different projects? |
| 01:03:40 | duckie | thanks |
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| 01:03:54 | XbooX | ok brb |
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| 01:04:07 | markun | saratoga: completely different afaik |
| 01:04:21 | markun | it's not fixed-point, is it? |
| 01:04:28 | Lars_G | Errr any idea why an iPod would consistently mount rw and allow me to create and delete files, but not to enter any content into any file or overwrite files? |
| 01:05:45 | mrk2 | oh, a random thing to tell you guys |
| 01:05:49 | linuxstb | Lars_G: Have you checked the filesystem for errors? |
| 01:05:54 | mrk2 | mpegplayer won't play some files of mine |
| 01:05:55 | preglow | saratoga: different |
| 01:06:02 | mrk2 | I really have no idea why... |
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| 01:06:05 | Lars_G | linuxstb: I'll try. |
| 01:06:11 | Lars_G | linuxstb: Sorry you always end up helpingme |
| 01:06:38 | XbooX | Lars_G: read only files? |
| 01:06:45 | mpeccorini | Fellows, I have a patch to submit but it includes a new file. The manual gives some instructions to add a file, but since I don't have an svn account yet, do I just attach the file to the task in flyspray and forget about it? |
| 01:06:49 | Lars_G | There are differences between boot sector and its backup. |
| 01:06:59 | Lars_G | XbooX: Not very possible in fat32 ;) |
| 01:07:00 | amiconn | Hmm, interesting.... |
| 01:07:03 | Lars_G | Unless.... |
| 01:07:18 | linuxstb | mpeccorini: You don't need an account to add a file - it's only added locally until you do "svn commit" (which does require an account). |
| 01:07:32 | markun | mrk2: how did you create those files? |
| 01:07:33 | amiconn | The 4GB MMC seems to use even larger blocks internally than what is addressable |
| 01:07:37 | mpeccorini | Lars_G: linuxstb must be used to that by now, he's the one who always help me too :p |
| 01:07:37 | Lars_G | Hmmm if I try to fix the boot sector anyway: Got 524288 bytes instead of 1907996 at 16384 |
| 01:07:38 | XbooX | dosent explain not being able to overwrite possible read only files tho |
| 01:07:38 | mrk2 | winff, was it? |
| 01:07:50 | mrk2 | it will play the other files encoded with the same settings just fine... |
| 01:08:04 | mrk2 | I'll retry it when I get some time, to be honest |
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| 01:08:22 | mrk2 | I wouldn't want to bother you guys when I can't be fully devoted to it at this time |
| 01:08:34 | Lars_G | XbooX: No, that's not it. |
| 01:08:48 | XbooX | omg it works lol, i thought i had to patch some stuff and what not but thanks anyways guys :) |
| 01:08:51 | preglow | amiconn: well, this doesn't exactly help explain the nano case |
| 01:08:56 | preglow | saratoga: and this was -O2 ? |
| 01:08:57 | preglow | wow |
| 01:09:10 | Lars_G | linuxstb: So it seems even fsck complains... oh hell, not another ipod reset please :( |
| 01:09:14 | DerPapst | lol.. my firewall ask me if i want to allow rockboxui to send a package... |
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| 01:09:41 | saratoga | preglow: yeah O2 |
| 01:09:55 | nikosapi | amiconn: I installed rockbox on my 5.5G 80GB ipod and it works great!!! Not to mention it was ridiculously easy to install :-) |
| 01:09:59 | DerPapst | Lars_G: how have you formatted your iPod? |
| 01:10:06 | Lars_G | DerPapst: Windows format |
| 01:10:09 | Lars_G | FAT32 |
| 01:10:13 | duckie | woooo, I think it is done now. |
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| 01:10:29 | DerPapst | Lars_G: ok.. then i dunno. sorry |
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| 01:11:24 | Lars_G | Thanks anyhow DerPapst |
| 01:11:26 | * | Lars_G sighs |
| 01:11:32 | Lars_G | I'll try backup and reformatr |
| 01:11:44 | amiconn | preglow: Not right now, but digging dow such details might help later, if rockbox learns to handle larger blocks without splitting them |
| 01:11:50 | amiconn | s/dow/down/ |
| 01:11:51 | mpeccorini | linuxstb: when you say "locally" you mean locally in the server but not in svn? |
| 01:12:04 | linuxstb | mpeccorini: I mean locally on your computer. |
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| 01:12:23 | mpeccorini | but I want to send it to you guys so you add it to the source in svn |
| 01:12:35 | mpeccorini | do I attach the plain file to the task in flyspray? |
| 01:12:49 | duckie | yaaaaay. |
| 01:12:49 | mpeccorini | since I can't diff it to anything |
| 01:12:50 | linuxstb | Then you do an "svn diff", which will include the new file along with any other changes (if any) |
| 01:12:55 | duckie | Thanks for the help guys |
| 01:13:09 | Lars_G | you can diff it to the repo like linuxstb said |
| 01:13:17 | mpeccorini | ohh, ok |
| 01:13:30 | mpeccorini | so the patch will include the whole file anyway? |
| 01:13:35 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 01:13:39 | mpeccorini | cool |
| 01:13:52 | linuxstb | But only new files you've "added" with svn add. |
| 01:13:53 | mpeccorini | I have chessbox running as a viewer as you suggested BTW |
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| 01:14:00 | mpeccorini | got it |
| 01:14:09 | * | DerPapst thinks running rockbox with −−zoom 4 is fun :D (fullscreen... yay) |
| 01:14:32 | XbooX | my ipod is finally........complete :D |
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| 01:15:38 | mpeccorini | will the ROCKBOX header be added automatically or do I have to add it to the new files? |
| 01:15:45 | linuxstb | You have to add it. |
| 01:15:49 | DerPapst | you have to add it |
| 01:15:55 | mpeccorini | what about the ID? |
| 01:16:01 | DerPapst | ahh.. i'm a too slow typer |
| 01:16:16 | mpeccorini | :p |
| 01:16:22 | mpeccorini | it was just a millisecond |
| 01:16:35 | linuxstb | Just write $Id$ |
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| 01:17:16 | mpeccorini | ok, thanks |
| 01:17:37 | Lars_G | linuxstb: tell me, you think it's part table or fs? |
| 01:17:50 | Lars_G | Oh fuck reading error now. |
| 01:17:55 | Lars_G | I'll format the whole thing and be done with it |
| 01:18:17 | linuxstb | Lars_G: I don't know |
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| 01:18:49 | Lars_G | Meh someone tols me once to specify the -s with mkfs right? what size? 512? |
| 01:19:09 | DerPapst | -S <whatever> |
| 01:19:15 | DerPapst | ahh |
| 01:19:20 | DerPapst | what gen? |
| 01:20:20 | DerPapst | Lars_G: 5G or 5.5G? |
| 01:20:31 | Lars_G | 1G nano |
| 01:20:38 | DerPapst | -S 512 |
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| 01:20:50 | Lars_G | thanks |
| 01:21:24 | Lars_G | Sigh at least I can write now. |
| 01:21:25 | * | Lars_G weeps |
| 01:21:30 | Lars_G | I think this is my own fault too |
| 01:21:42 | Lars_G | Oh I couldn't save my config!!! GAH |
| 01:21:48 | Lars_G | this time I finish config and SAVE it |
| 01:22:18 | Lars_G | Hmm |
| 01:22:50 | XbooX | im guessing the ipod video manual covers all ipod video's including the 5.5G? |
| 01:23:18 | linuxstb | XbooX: Yes |
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| 01:23:59 | XbooX | ty |
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| 01:24:03 | DerPapst | good night at all. |
| 01:24:13 | XbooX | gnite |
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| 01:25:01 | saratoga | preglow: do you ever use the gmail chat feature? |
| 01:25:22 | saratoga | since i'm often on IRC only really late for you, it might be a better way to get a hold of me |
| 01:25:37 | a1titude | just a question of curiosity, what "can" be done about the ipods shorter battery life? and does anyone know what apple has written in the firmware to get the full batterylife? |
| 01:26:00 | preglow | saratoga: gmail chat, like google talk? |
| 01:26:04 | preglow | saratoga: if so, then yes, i am |
| 01:26:08 | saratoga | yeah |
| 01:26:12 | saratoga | i'm mgiacomelli |
| 01:26:15 | preglow | i am |
| 01:26:24 | nls | a1titude: get better understanding of what apple does and then do what they do, really |
| 01:26:25 | saratoga | and I live on gtalk so that should work pretty much all day everyday |
| 01:26:34 | saratoga | i need to run |
| 01:26:38 | saratoga | thank you for your help |
| 01:26:54 | saratoga | i'll continue to work on the fixed point stuff, and probably have a lot more questions this weekend |
| 01:27:08 | saratoga | i'm ashamed at how rusty my ARM4 is |
| 01:27:09 | preglow | sure, i think i'll be around this weekend |
| 01:27:25 | a1titude | nls: ha both my questions together was the answer! haha - is there anyway to actually look at what apple has done in the firmware? |
| 01:27:27 | preglow | i think we'll survive that |
| 01:28:27 | preglow | i just tried to add you in gaim, but god knows if that worked |
| 01:28:28 | preglow | gaim is shit |
| 01:28:32 | nls | a1titude: disassembling the OF is possible and I guess IPL did a lot of that... |
| 01:28:50 | saratoga | yeah it did |
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| 01:29:15 | a1titude | I use gaim (not had a problem with it) |
| 01:29:20 | nls | a1titude: AFAIU it is very time consuming and difficult... |
| 01:29:58 | a1titude | nls: ahh. ipl might have some info! =P jk lol |
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| 01:32:31 | a1titude | well thanks for the answers, cya |
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| 02:31:43 | duckie | I have a very dumb question.... |
| 02:32:08 | TheGooman | Well don't berate yourself |
| 02:32:14 | TheGooman | what's up? |
| 02:32:23 | duckie | instead of using the gigabeat room software to transfer music, what do I use for my rockboxed gigabeat? |
| 02:32:27 | duckie | haha |
| 02:32:38 | duckie | I always have dumb questions |
| 02:32:47 | kkurbjun | I use windows explorer |
| 02:32:58 | kkurbjun | you could use the command prompt too |
| 02:33:12 | duckie | just windows explorer? |
| 02:33:13 | kkurbjun | or whatever else you want to copy files to the player |
| 02:33:31 | duckie | ...uh.... where do you... put... them? |
| 02:33:35 | TheGooman | yea, just copy them on in whatever directory you wish to have your music organized in |
| 02:33:39 | kkurbjun | yeah, you just have to copy them to the player, wherever you want |
| 02:34:03 | duckie | hrm |
| 02:34:19 | TheGooman | on your gigabeat. I personally have an ipod but I don't think it differs much. I literally copied my music folder into my ipod and done |
| 02:34:27 | linuxstb | duckie: I think most people organise their music as something like /artist/album/NN-track.mp3 |
| 02:34:42 | kkurbjun | if you use the database feature it automatically organises the music by artist album, etc as long as the tags are good |
| 02:34:44 | TheGooman | if you want it to display in the database you will have to initialize/update it |
| 02:34:47 | duckie | but do you put it in the main root folder? |
| 02:34:55 | duckie | or in the file folder |
| 02:35:04 | pearldiver | duckie |
| 02:35:05 | TheGooman | I have it in the main |
| 02:35:08 | pearldiver | create folders like |
| 02:35:09 | pearldiver | music |
| 02:35:10 | pearldiver | video |
| 02:35:11 | TrueJournals | duckie: It might be a good idea to create a folder called "music" and put all of it in there |
| 02:35:11 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK pearldiver |
| 02:35:11 | pearldiver | games |
| 02:35:17 | pearldiver | than inside music |
| 02:35:17 | duckie | Ahhh. |
| 02:35:24 | pearldiver | artist/artist - album |
| 02:35:28 | pearldiver | and off you go |
| 02:35:29 | TrueJournals | It's all up to you though |
| 02:35:39 | pearldiver | yeah completely as you desire |
| 02:35:42 | TheGooman | yups, that's the great thing about rockbox |
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| 02:37:46 | TheGooman | Ok, I've been trying to get aquainted with iconsets and I'm wondering, what's the differences between iconsets, viewer iconsets, and remote viewer iconsets? |
| 02:38:11 | TrueJournals | iconsets: Show for built-in icons/menu icons |
| 02:38:23 | TrueJournals | viewer iconsets: For things like audio files, video files, etc. |
| 02:38:35 | TrueJournals | remote viewer iconsets: viewer iconsets for a remote |
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| 02:39:06 | TheGooman | Ah, ok |
| 02:39:28 | TheGooman | Additionally, are icon files necesary in the implementation of an iconset? |
| 02:39:52 | TrueJournals | Not sure what you mean... |
| 02:39:55 | TheGooman | by icon files i mean extention icon |
| 02:40:08 | TrueJournals | you mean viewer iconsets? |
| 02:40:33 | TrueJournals | No, viewer iconsets are not NECESARY, but everything will look much more together if you have them... |
| 02:41:23 | TheGooman | hmm. I mean, for instance, I dled a theme that implements a new iconset. together with the bmp files there was also a .icon fie |
| 02:41:42 | TrueJournals | Oh! |
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| 02:41:51 | TrueJournals | .icon files are necessary for viewer iconsets |
| 02:42:27 | TrueJournals | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomIcons Might help you out |
| 02:42:39 | TheGooman | Alright, thanks |
| 02:42:57 | TrueJournals | no problem |
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| 02:46:08 | TheGooman | Just what' I'd been searching for, thank you much. |
| 02:46:25 | TrueJournals | Glad I could help |
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| 02:52:24 | TheGooman | A couple of inquiries about the "view battery" screen in the debug menu: does the battery life graph reset every time the DAP reboots? And the graph seems to be on a variable scale - what's this dependant on? |
| 02:57:20 | duckie | ummm, my gigabeat won't play my wma files :( |
| 02:57:32 | TrueJournals | Rockbox doesn't support WMA |
| 02:57:34 | duckie | did I miss that memo? |
| 02:57:41 | duckie | damn |
| 02:57:56 | duckie | I have like, a LOT of music in wma |
| 02:57:56 | TheGooman | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildap1.html#x13-226000A |
| 02:58:02 | TrueJournals | Too bad |
| 02:58:09 | TheGooman | it's not a supported format |
| 02:58:16 | TrueJournals | Shouldn't have relied on a closed format ;-) |
| 02:58:24 | duckie | wow, TrueJournals you don't have to be an ass |
| 02:58:36 | TrueJournals | Sorry |
| 02:58:47 | TrueJournals | I think I'm coming off a bit meaner than I mean to be |
| 02:58:53 | TheGooman | they can always be converted |
| 02:59:01 | duckie | to what? |
| 02:59:06 | TrueJournals | MP3 |
| 02:59:09 | TheGooman | i would rec. mp3's |
| 02:59:10 | duckie | I have them in lossless |
| 02:59:13 | TrueJournals | ... unless they're all DRMed |
| 02:59:23 | duckie | they are all huge files |
| 02:59:47 | duckie | :( |
| 02:59:52 | duckie | fuck |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:15 | TheGooman | No need for that, man |
| 03:00:28 | duckie | for what? |
| 03:01:09 | TrueJournals | for swearing |
| 03:01:18 | TheGooman | Perhaps it's just me but I don' think there's need to swear there |
| 03:01:44 | TrueJournals | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcGuidelines - "It is also a family-friendly channel." - I think most people would consider swearing NOT family-friendly |
| 03:01:46 | duckie | oh. well, maybe if you'd spent all your time ripping your music in a specific format you'd be annoyed too |
| 03:02:19 | duckie | wow. sorry. didn't know that swearing was a death sentence |
| 03:02:22 | maffe | WMA lossless? |
| 03:02:26 | duckie | yes |
| 03:02:43 | Llorean | duckie: It's not a death sentence, but we ask that you try to act respectably in here, and try to keep things appropriate for any audience. |
| 03:02:52 | Llorean | duckie: As well, since they're lossless, just convert them into any other lossless format |
| 03:03:00 | maffe | I'd convert them to FLAC using foobar2000 |
| 03:03:07 | Llorean | Rockbox supports at least 4 I can think of off the top of my head |
| 03:03:22 | BHSPitMonkey | the fact that you have them in lossless should make you relieved, not frustrated |
| 03:03:28 | Llorean | duckie: It's your own fault for choosing the most poorly supported lossless format known to man. |
| 03:03:31 | maffe | :) |
| 03:03:48 | duckie | thanks for the insult |
| 03:04:00 | Llorean | duckie: It's not an insult. It's just the situation. |
| 03:04:01 | duckie | I never clained to be smart |
| 03:04:07 | Llorean | An insult would be if I called you stupid. I didn't. |
| 03:04:11 | TheGooman | we never said otherwise |
| 03:04:13 | Llorean | I said that you chose a format, for reasons that may even be good ones. |
| 03:04:29 | duckie | it was the best I knew of. |
| 03:04:34 | Llorean | You can have good reasons to choose a poorly supported format, for example some program you must use requires it. |
| 03:04:43 | duckie | I'm not a music geek |
| 03:04:48 | duckie | I don't know this stuff |
| 03:04:56 | TheGooman | And no prob there. Now you're learning |
| 03:05:11 | TheGooman | wma's are poorly supported and this includes rockbox |
| 03:05:19 | Llorean | You should be able to find a program that can mass convert the files |
| 03:05:21 | duckie | Yeah, but you guys are making me feel like more of an idiot in the process |
| 03:05:28 | BHSPitMonkey | duckie, the brightest geeks around got where they are through a series of agonizing mistakes |
| 03:05:30 | TheGooman | Sorry |
| 03:06:33 | duckie | so, I need to get something like foobar to convert my files? |
| 03:06:39 | BHSPitMonkey | foobar's nice. |
| 03:06:52 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 03:06:52 | * | Llorean doesn't know if Foobar does WMA Lossless. |
| 03:07:04 | Llorean | But if it does, it'd be ideal |
| 03:07:45 | duckie | I guess I could just re-rip all of my music. yayfun |
| 03:07:57 | linuxstb | Maybe dbpoweramp music converter is another possibility |
| 03:08:01 | Llorean | Re-ripping would be a ridiculously roundabout way to solve the problem. |
| 03:08:03 | Llorean | dBPoweramp is good. |
| 03:08:07 | Llorean | It's easy to use, at least |
| 03:08:18 | Llorean | Can we seek in flacs without seekpoints now? |
| 03:08:24 | Llorean | Err tables.. or whatever those were called |
| 03:08:29 | TrueJournals | Someone (Soap?) was here a while ago saying they were going to make a redistributable pack of various audio codec "samples"... did anyone ever do that? |
| 03:08:34 | maffe | I think I'll re-rip all my FLACs |
| 03:08:57 | Llorean | TrueJournals: Don't think it's started yet. |
| 03:09:06 | Llorean | They'd be ideal for test_codec purposes. |
| 03:09:16 | TrueJournals | Yeah, I figured... |
| 03:09:44 | duckie | ugh, this is not as easy as I thought it would be :) |
| 03:09:44 | TrueJournals | I think I'll try to whip something up. I figure some kind of beat would be fine? I also figure you want a wide range of frequencies? |
| 03:10:33 | linuxstb | TrueJournals: Soap was looking for a "real" audio track to use |
| 03:10:39 | TrueJournals | OK... the results are in... my codec testing: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?p=564175#post564175 |
| 03:10:55 | TrueJournals | linuxstb: Real as in... some sort of real song? |
| 03:11:59 | XbooX | anyone know what the battery capaacity for a 5.5G 80GB ipod is? |
| 03:13:05 | maffe | up to 14 hrs |
| 03:13:48 | XbooX | in mAh? |
| 03:13:54 | maffe | uh, dunno |
| 03:14:01 | linuxstb | TrueJournals: Yes, e.g. from the live music archive at www.archive.org |
| 03:14:02 | Llorean | TrueJournals: Out of curiosity, why did you post at misticriver? |
| 03:14:27 | Llorean | The majority of Rockbox devs and users don't read that site. |
| 03:15:29 | TrueJournals | I'll post at the rockbox forum too |
| 03:15:37 | Llorean | Well, that's not the right place either |
| 03:15:42 | TrueJournals | I visit the misticriver forum more often though... |
| 03:15:46 | TrueJournals | Why not? |
| 03:15:53 | Llorean | Because the forums are for dicussion. |
| 03:15:56 | Llorean | discussion |
| 03:15:59 | TrueJournals | ah |
| 03:16:01 | Llorean | Try putting together maybe a codec result page. |
| 03:16:19 | TrueJournals | For the wiki? |
| 03:16:27 | Llorean | That's where static info belongs |
| 03:16:39 | maffe | :) |
| 03:16:40 | TrueJournals | Let me register... |
| 03:17:05 | Llorean | As for the MP3 results, you might want to get a comparison with SVN MP3 so you can post how much improvement the patch does |
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| 03:17:13 | * | linuxstb was thinking of CodecTesting |
| 03:17:31 | * | TrueJournals downloads SVN... |
| 03:18:25 | * | TheGooman hesitates to ask |
| 03:18:31 | TheGooman | what's SVN stand for?? |
| 03:18:38 | TrueJournals | Subversion |
| 03:18:42 | TrueJournals | Weird, isn't it? |
| 03:18:49 | TheGooman | Yes, actually |
| 03:19:24 | TrueJournals | http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?Acronym=SVN&Find=find&string=exact ;-) |
| 03:19:53 | maffe | Social Venture Network! |
| 03:20:06 | maffe | oh |
| 03:20:10 | maffe | that's also on the page |
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| 03:21:41 | TrueJournals | Someone want to give me write access so i can make this CodecTesting page... |
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| 03:25:17 | linuxstb | TrueJournals: I assume you're Bobby? |
| 03:25:34 | TrueJournals | yes |
| 03:25:59 | linuxstb | OK, added. |
| 03:26:55 | TrueJournals | Thanks |
| 03:27:24 | TheGooman | A couple of inquiries about the "view battery" screen in the debug menu: does the battery life graph reset every time the DAP reboots? And the graph seems to be on a variable scale - what's this dependant on? |
| 03:27:30 | TrueJournals | Using test_codec from a custom build, with an SVN build would be fine, wouldn't it...? |
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| 03:37:28 | * | TheGooman looks around |
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| 03:43:03 | TrueJournals | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CodecTesting |
| 03:43:47 | TrueJournals | But I don't like how the MP3 with mpa_removed_iram.patch came out though... |
| 03:47:40 | LycoLoco | hey guys - congrats on getting rockbox working on the 80 gig 5.5g iPod |
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| 03:52:46 | Lyco|Lap | hey guys - where can I find an incremental changelog of what's goin on with the individual builds of rockbox? |
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| 03:53:29 | TrueJournals | Lyco|Lap: There's a changelog on the front page... |
| 03:53:34 | element_g | hi everyone |
| 03:53:43 | TrueJournals | hey |
| 03:53:45 | Lyco|Lap | but that's for the entire project, right? |
| 03:54:11 | element_g | If the main source of my new WPS is a GPL'd image, does that mean my theme has to be GPL? |
| 03:54:19 | TrueJournals | Lyco|Lap: Oh, you mean for individual platforms? (Like, only Gigabeat progress, or only iriver H100 progress?) I don't think there is one... |
| 03:54:48 | Lyco|Lap | yeah, that's what I was askin for. Ok, just wanted to make sure I hadn't glanced over it. I'll go through the logs for the last 4 weeks |
| 03:54:49 | Lyco|Lap | thanks! |
| 03:54:57 | element_g | I don't mind using GPL( I have the source), I'm just wondering |
| 03:55:04 | TrueJournals | Lyco|Lap: No problem... |
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| 03:59:58 | Maz | :O |
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| 04:00:00 | Maz | i need help please |
| 04:00:11 | TrueJournals | What do you need? |
| 04:00:18 | Maz | my ipod seams to be dead |
| 04:00:23 | Maz | installed rockbox |
| 04:00:31 | Maz | played around with it and uninstalled it with ipodpatcher |
| 04:00:40 | Maz | now its just the apple logo |
| 04:00:46 | Maz | and clicking sound fro mthe harddrive |
| 04:00:50 | TrueJournals | Can you boot into disk mode? |
| 04:01:18 | Maz | what are the buttons to press? |
| 04:02:03 | TrueJournals | plug it in, and hold menu and select while it's booting up |
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| 04:02:32 | Maz | there isnt even that |
| 04:02:38 | Maz | just the ipod apple |
| 04:02:44 | Maz | and no backlight |
| 04:02:48 | Maz | harddrive is clicking |
| 04:02:54 | Maz | like nothing there to read |
| 04:03:09 | TrueJournals | I don't know then... sorry, I'm not iPod expert |
| 04:03:13 | TrueJournals | post on the forums :-\ |
| 04:03:18 | aliask | Maz: What's the problem? |
| 04:03:32 | Maz | i installed rockbox |
| 04:03:39 | Maz | and played around with it |
| 04:03:50 | Maz | than uninstalled it with ipodpatcher |
| 04:03:57 | Maz | now nothing boots when i reset it |
| 04:04:11 | aliask | Can you access disk mode? |
| 04:04:27 | Maz | there isnt any menu's or anything poping up |
| 04:04:34 | Maz | is there any buttons i can press? |
| 04:04:35 | aliask | http://www.google.com.au/search?q=ipod+disk+mode |
| 04:04:39 | TrueJournals | Gotta go... see ya |
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| 04:05:12 | Maz | umm |
| 04:05:19 | Maz | ff + rw buttons |
| 04:05:50 | Maz | :( |
| 04:05:56 | Maz | doesnt look like it |
| 04:05:59 | aliask | No. Click the first link from google, and it'll tell you how to put the ipod into disk mode |
| 04:06:42 | aliask | Or do you have a 3g or earlier ipod? |
| 04:07:23 | Maz | 5.5 video |
| 04:07:31 | Maz | this isnt very cool :( |
| 04:07:42 | aliask | Well, if you read the page, it will tell you how to put it into disk mode |
| 04:07:56 | Maz | doesnt do anything |
| 04:07:56 | aliask | And it's not the ff and rwd buttons. |
| 04:08:20 | Maz | play\pause + mewait a second |
| 04:08:24 | Maz | something just poped up |
| 04:08:35 | Maz | "connect to your computer for itunes to restore |
| 04:08:43 | aliask | Tada - disk mode |
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| 04:09:01 | Maz | ok |
| 04:09:01 | Maz | Cool |
| 04:09:05 | Maz | had it on hold :( |
| 04:09:08 | aliask | lol |
| 04:09:09 | aliask | :) |
| 04:09:15 | Maz | yeah |
| 04:09:19 | Maz | that harddrive clickage didnt sound to good at all |
| 04:09:33 | aliask | Is yours an 80gb one? |
| 04:09:36 | Maz | nope |
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| 04:10:51 | Maz | thanks alot |
| 04:11:14 | aliask | No worries |
| 04:11:31 | Maz | hmm is there an easy way to get loader 2 + rockbox? |
| 04:11:55 | Maz | or a way to get rockbox on but load apple by default and rockbox by the hold button |
| 04:12:02 | Maz | *? |
| 04:12:05 | aliask | Not really. |
| 04:12:14 | Maz | ah ok |
| 04:12:22 | aliask | I don't know mucha bout loader2 though |
| 04:12:37 | Maz | ok thats cool |
| 04:12:40 | Maz | thanks again :) |
| 04:12:46 | Maz | i thought it was done for |
| 04:12:57 | aliask | iPods are pretty hard to break |
| 04:13:39 | Maz | good to know :) |
| 04:13:59 | ivan` | and iaudios are impossible :) |
| 04:15:35 | aliask | ivan`: I would say that they are more breakable than ipods in terms of firmware |
| 04:15:49 | ivan` | yes |
| 04:16:23 | ivan` | but i've dropped one from 5ft onto concrete and it hit a corner, with practically no damage |
| 04:16:50 | Soap | I've done the same with my iPod. |
| 04:17:04 | ivan` | i guess it all works out as long as the hdd isn't spinning |
| 04:17:08 | aliask | I treat my ipod mini like crap |
| 04:17:28 | aliask | Screen is already broken and the rest is metal so I have no fear of doing damage :P |
| 04:18:18 | chrisjs169 | Kinda hate to ask on here, but my friend's iPod seems to have had the partition table erased, any idea on recovering it (without reformatting) |
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| 04:18:47 | aliask | chrisjs169: Without reformatting might be a bit tricky. |
| 04:18:58 | aliask | Do you have access to a computer with linux? |
| 04:19:15 | chrisjs169 | aliask: Right in front of me :) |
| 04:20:18 | aliask | You could try using dd to copy a clean partition table from a working ipod |
| 04:20:37 | chrisjs169 | I don't have another ipod though =/ |
| 04:21:03 | aliask | Someone here might have one |
| 04:21:29 | chrisjs169 | ok |
| 04:21:42 | aliask | But short of that I think you might have to format |
| 04:22:09 | chrisjs169 | ok - hope my friend has a backup of all his music |
| 04:22:35 | aliask | Out of interest, how exactly did that happen |
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| 04:43:43 | Maz | hmm |
| 04:54:45 | chrisjs169 | aliask: sorry, was running a few recovery tools on my windows computer (it's found quite a few of the songs) |
| 04:55:31 | chrisjs169 | aliask: I don't know how it happened, as when I got it, the battery was completely dead, although they said that the ipod had the folder/exclamation point icon |
| 04:56:36 | chrisjs169 | he seems somewhat computer literate, so I'm guessing he was in a hurry and just disconnected it while it was still writing or someting |
| 04:58:32 | aliask | Good to hear that at least some of the songs are still in tact |
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| 05:48:54 | bricko | Hello, can anyone help me with install problems on the 5.5gen 80gb ipod? |
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| 05:51:49 | aliask | bricko: What's the problem? |
| 05:52:53 | bricko | Using the current build and bootloader for the 5g 64mb iPod in the way that the manual says, I'm told that there's no partition, and to reconnect to the USB and fix it |
| 05:53:17 | scorche | what format is the ipod? |
| 05:54:02 | bricko | FAT32 |
| 05:58:32 | bricko | I made sure of that several times, given that seems to be an issue for some...aside from that, I guess i'll try the newest build one more time and see what happens |
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| 06:04:41 | Alienbiker99 | redownload the build? |
| 06:05:54 | bricko | yep, i'm on it |
| 06:06:55 | bricko | "No partition found. Insert USB cable and fix it." |
| 06:07:06 | bricko | Can I do this manually and it actually do any good? |
| 06:08:37 | bricko | I've noticed another person or two on the Rockbox forums talking about this exact problem. |
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| 06:16:13 | bricko | Is anyone else having this "No partition found. Insert USB cable and fix it." problem with the 5.5g 80gb iPod? |
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| 07:00:51 | bricko | Anyone on working on the 5.5 80gb iPod? |
| 07:01:28 | XbooX | well kinda |
| 07:01:33 | XbooX | lol |
| 07:02:38 | bricko | What do you mean, lol? |
| 07:02:45 | bricko | having problems or is it working? |
| 07:02:49 | bricko | i'm not doing so well with it. |
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| 07:04:07 | XbooX | bricko PM |
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| 07:12:42 | Llorean | bricko: The "partition not found" message tends to mean that the bootloader you're using is not the 80gb compatible one. |
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| 08:04:09 | bricko | I am being linked to the correct bootloader I believe |
| 08:04:24 | bricko | but it still says partition not found |
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| 08:34:36 | GodEater | good morning everyone |
| 08:39:37 | markun | morning |
| 08:40:14 | amiconn | mo0ning |
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| 08:43:49 | * | GodEater has finally got a working phone line in his new flat. Next step -> Fat ADSL. |
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| 08:54:08 | markun | what do you guys think about making separate subsections for doom and rockboy in the plugins forum? |
| 08:54:46 | markun | then I don't have to read those questions anymore :) |
| 08:55:06 | markun | and we can make some threads sticky in there |
| 08:56:13 | GodEater | that sounds like pure genius :) |
| 08:56:25 | * | GodEater awards markun gold star of the day |
| 08:56:45 | markun | :) |
| 08:56:50 | GodEater | I also get terribly tired of reading those threads |
| 08:57:11 | amiconn | Then don't read 'em... |
| 08:57:22 | markun | amiconn: you don't read the forum |
| 08:58:02 | markun | or did you start doing that? |
| 08:59:34 | GodEater | I *general* our forums signal / noise ratio isn't too bad - but the doom / rockboy threads are very debilitating |
| 08:59:39 | GodEater | s/I/In |
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| 09:02:46 | amiconn | I am reading the forum occasionally |
| 09:03:09 | amiconn | When I do, I ignore the forum structure completely now and just use the recent topics list |
| 09:03:46 | amiconn | Going through that list I find maybe 1..3% of the posts worth reading... |
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| 09:04:28 | NJoin | blithe [0] (n=blithe@stiletto.djblithe.com) |
| 09:04:38 | GodEater | you don't reply very often do you ? :) |
| 09:05:16 | LinusN | amiconn: exactly the same here |
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| 09:05:52 | GodEater | hehe - maybe we should just abandon the structure completely, and just have one BIG forum |
| 09:06:05 | amiconn | GodEater: nope, since like 99% of the questions are something that can be found in the manual and/or wiki anyway |
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| 09:06:58 | amiconn | I posted a lot more often in the earlier days of the forum, when it was split by target |
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| 09:10:04 | ptw419 | how do i upload a file so it can be downloaded from the wiki? |
| 09:10:18 | ptw419 | or rather, am i even able to do this? |
| 09:10:37 | markun | I'm happy with the split by topic. I don't care about WPS for example so just skip that section |
| 09:11:01 | markun | ptw419: there is some 'attach' feature |
| 09:11:03 | amiconn | ...and the remaining questions are often already answered when I check the forum |
| 09:11:33 | * | amiconn posted once during the last month ihrc |
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| 09:12:17 | ptw419 | hmm but i need a server to upload this too |
| 09:13:05 | amiconn | no |
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| 09:13:28 | amiconn | If you attach a file to the wiki, you just upload it there |
| 09:13:39 | markun | ptw419: did you try it? |
| 09:13:53 | ptw419 | i c |
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| 09:18:36 | ptw419 | found it |
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| 09:32:32 | ptw419 | i've uploaded my code injection tool for the gigabeat S |
| 09:32:34 | ptw419 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/GigabeatSInfo/MergeInject.rar |
| 09:33:23 | markun | ptw419: nice one. Do you know anyone who wants to work on a rockbox port for the S? |
| 09:34:58 | LinusN | ptw419: could you write anything about how to use the tool? |
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| 09:37:11 | NJoin | blithe [0] (n=blithe@stiletto.djblithe.com) |
| 09:40:22 | ptw419 | markun: So far just me, toffe, and I think aliask. Zunepet states he will have a preliminary bootloader out soon(which will allow us to divert more attention to a port right away), as well as a similar tool to mine |
| 09:41:11 | ptw419 | LinusN: I can update the README in the file to explain it a little more specifically tommorow. Its pretty much straight forward though |
| 09:41:21 | LinusN | i just read the README |
| 09:41:30 | LinusN | i was more thinking about the wiki |
| 09:41:42 | LinusN | just a few words about what the inject tool is |
| 09:41:44 | ptw419 | oh, yes certainly |
| 09:42:08 | ptw419 | I can do this in the morning, i'm gonna go to sleept right now though :) |
| 09:43:15 | LinusN | sleep tight |
| 09:43:30 | LinusN | ptw419: good work, btw |
| 09:44:13 | ptw419 | ty |
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| 09:50:32 | ptw419 | damn,i have to upload it again, the wrong source file was in there i think. |
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| 10:01:57 | Siltaar | Please help |
| 10:02:04 | Siltaar | dlopen(archos/.rockbox/rocks//sudoku.rock): archos/.rockbox/rocks//sudoku.rock: undefined symbol: vp_dummy |
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| 10:02:30 | Siltaar | From where (the hell) vp_dummy could be ? |
| 10:02:52 | JdGordon | evening al |
| 10:02:54 | JdGordon | all |
| 10:03:11 | Siltaar | greetings for your timezone JdGordon |
| 10:03:19 | Siltaar | :-) |
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| 10:06:06 | morghanphoenix | Quick question: Does anyone have experiance with going back to normal firmware after putting rockbox on thier iPod? Does it work fine or does rockbox forever prevent you from going back to the normal system? |
| 10:06:59 | bluebrother | you can boot the AppleOS file |
| 10:07:02 | bluebrother | *fine |
| 10:07:30 | ptw419 | ok, nm that was the correct code in the rar file |
| 10:07:41 | ptw419 | ok now i really am going to sleep ;P |
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| 10:08:49 | morghanphoenix | Wanting to try rockbox so I can play my flacs and oggs, but needed to be sure I could put the apple firmware back on it if I needed to take it back to the store. They won't cover it if it has rockbox or ipodlinux on it. |
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| 10:09:08 | bluebrother | you can always restore using itunes |
| 10:09:25 | bluebrother | besides, you can uninstall Rockbox at any time if you like to |
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| 10:09:51 | bluebrother | but that's covered in the faq ... |
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| 10:21:18 | daurn | JoshHulst around? |
| 10:21:29 | Siltaar | a quick answer : find *.? -print0 | xargs -0 grep "vp_dummy" |
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| 10:50:05 | Siltaar | extern unsigned char vp_dummy[VIRT_SIZE]; |
| 10:50:17 | Siltaar | /* a space which is defined in stubs.c */ |
| 10:50:17 | Siltaar | extern unsigned char vp_dummy[VIRT_SIZE]; |
| 10:50:58 | Siltaar | is anyone knowing where stubs.c can be ? a find . -name "stubs.c" gives no results |
| 10:51:37 | amiconn | It's the virtual pointer array for language strings. |
| 10:51:47 | Siltaar | yes |
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| 10:52:11 | Siltaar | I would be happy to succed in using it in sudoku plugin |
| 10:52:42 | Siltaar | as everything else seems ok for I18n and vocalisation of the menus |
| 10:53:01 | amiconn | Not sure whether this will work. Another thing to check thoroughly when extending localisation support to plugins |
| 10:53:29 | Siltaar | could it be declared in plugin.h ? |
| 10:53:46 | Siltaar | the vp |
| 10:53:48 | Siltaar | ? |
| 10:54:15 | amiconn | This array shouldn't exist for real on target. For the sim it might be necessary to make it real |
| 10:54:27 | * | amiconn doesn't remember how this is done in the sim core. |
| 10:54:50 | Siltaar | currently, the sudoku menus call static void menu_talk_selected(int m) |
| 10:55:28 | Siltaar | so I hardly hope that if I can put some ID2P(ids) in the menu creation, I would have talking menus |
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| 10:57:43 | amiconn | It won't be that simple. Voice file support needs to be extended to support sectioned voice files |
| 10:59:28 | Siltaar | you mean multiple voice files ? |
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| 11:05:38 | amiconn | No, one voice file with several sections. One for the core, and one for each plugin that supports voice |
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| 11:07:06 | Chrysalid | Hello... I've read the manual but couldnt find a troubleshooting for my problem: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10688.0 |
| 11:07:07 | petur | hmmm you wouldn't load all voice clips of all plugins into the core, right? |
| 11:07:16 | Chrysalid | am I doing something wrong? |
| 11:07:27 | Chrysalid | [INFO] Reading original firmware... |
| 11:07:27 | Chrysalid | [ERR] Short read - requested 1 bytes, received 2227200 |
| 11:07:27 | Chrysalid | [ERR] −−install failed. |
| 11:07:53 | amiconn | petur: Correct, hence the need for several sections |
| 11:09:44 | petur | ah, I thought when you said sections and not multiple files you were meaning all voice clips in one file. But I guess multiple sections in lang file and multiple voice clips after generation |
| 11:10:10 | markun | A while ago I proposed to dynamically change the contrast and backlight brightness in the mpegplayer to increase contrast and runtime. It turns out this is already used in LG LCD monitors and is called Digital Fine Contrast. |
| 11:10:14 | Chrysalid | Anyone? |
| 11:10:25 | Chrysalid | I would like to use Rockbox but I cant install it |
| 11:10:59 | markun | Chrysalid: which player do you have? |
| 11:11:01 | petur | markun: I hope they didn't patent it? |
| 11:11:06 | Chrysalid | ipod nano 1G |
| 11:11:09 | Chrysalid | 4 Gigabyte |
| 11:11:16 | markun | petur: they probably did |
| 11:11:31 | Chrysalid | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10688.0 there is the error |
| 11:11:44 | Chrysalid | Couldn't find a troubleshooting anywhere |
| 11:12:29 | linuxstb | Chrysalid: Does the command "dd if=/dev/sdx1 of=test.bin" work? (replace sdx1 with the device name for the first partition on your ipod) |
| 11:12:59 | amiconn | petur: No, multiple sections in .lng files and .voice files |
| 11:13:14 | amiconn | Think of this as if there were multiple files in one |
| 11:13:27 | amiconn | The core would of course just load the core section etc |
| 11:13:51 | Chrysalid | linuxstb, running the command, please wait |
| 11:14:14 | petur | amiconn: ack |
| 11:14:40 | petur | sounds (!) ok |
| 11:14:49 | Chrysalid | linuxstb, |
| 11:14:50 | Chrysalid | dd: luetaan tiedostoa "/dev/sda1": I/O-virhe |
| 11:14:50 | Chrysalid | 4320+0 records in |
| 11:14:50 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Chrysalid |
| 11:14:50 | Chrysalid | 4320+0 records out |
| 11:14:50 | Chrysalid | 2211840 bytes (2,2 MB) copied, 67,9185 seconds, 32,6 kB/s |
| 11:14:50 | amiconn | This is to reduce clutter, and to make localisation of core and plugins look uniform, encouraging translators to translate everything |
| 11:14:55 | Chrysalid | I/O error :O |
| 11:15:10 | markun | petur: one drawback of this feature is that LG now states their monitors have 3000:1 contrast ratios instead of giving the real value |
| 11:15:15 | Chrysalid | I restored the ipod to factory state in windows |
| 11:15:20 | Chrysalid | before starting rockbox install |
| 11:16:00 | petur | markun: doesn't surprise me one bit |
| 11:16:07 | Siltaar | amiconn, what does miss to have sectionned voice file support ? |
| 11:16:45 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 11:16:45 | * | petur is disturbed by a customer walking around his desk |
| 11:17:19 | linuxstb | Chrysalid: I don't know what to suggest... But it's a hardware issue, rather than a problem with ipodpatcher. Does your ipod still function correctly with the Apple firmware? |
| 11:17:26 | Chrysalid | yes it does |
| 11:17:38 | Chrysalid | Kinda weird. |
| 11:17:49 | linuxstb | Then it would point to a USB issue - either your cable, or the PC |
| 11:17:56 | Chrysalid | hmm. |
| 11:18:10 | Chrysalid | i have a 5 meter usb extension cord |
| 11:18:16 | Chrysalid | maybe I should remove it and try directory |
| 11:18:20 | linuxstb | i.e. the (flash) disk itself is OK, but it can't be accessed via USB. |
| 11:19:07 | linuxstb | Yes, you need to get that dd command working reliably before ipodpatcher can work. |
| 11:19:35 | Chrysalid | okay I removed the extension cable |
| 11:19:40 | Chrysalid | ill boot the thing into disk mode and try again |
| 11:20:19 | Chrysalid | running dd again... |
| 11:20:31 | Chrysalid | hey! |
| 11:20:33 | Chrysalid | it worked now |
| 11:20:36 | Chrysalid | no I/O errors |
| 11:20:37 | Chrysalid | :) |
| 11:20:52 | Chrysalid | I guess the extension cable caused some errors |
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| 11:21:08 | Chrysalid | [INFO] Wrote 5123072 bytes to firmware partition |
| 11:21:08 | Chrysalid | [INFO] Bootloader installed successfully. |
| 11:21:10 | Chrysalid | yay! |
| 11:22:21 | petur | 5 meter is max USB spec so 5m + normal cable is out of spec |
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| 11:23:53 | Siltaar | I found stubs.c : rockbox/uisimulator/common/ |
| 11:24:04 | Chrysalid | hmm, do I extract rockbox.zip into the ipod root |
| 11:24:12 | Chrysalid | with the .rockbox dir or without it? |
| 11:24:32 | Chrysalid | I mean, /media/IPOD/.rockbox/xxx or /media/IPOD/xxx ? |
| 11:25:15 | Galois | the contents of rockbox.zip include .rockbox, so /media/IPOD/xxx |
| 11:25:26 | Chrysalid | okay |
| 11:27:10 | Chrysalid | ha |
| 11:27:11 | Chrysalid | done |
| 11:27:16 | Chrysalid | booted into rockbox |
| 11:29:11 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: you round? |
| 11:34:17 | markun | petur: from the reviews I saw this 'DFC' is not a very nice feature :) |
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| 11:44:29 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: yes, but not for long |
| 11:48:30 | JdGordon | hey, i wanted to ask about your bounce fix for the sansa... but dw |
| 11:48:55 | jhMikeS | just ask :) |
| 11:49:07 | JdGordon | na, dqw |
| 11:49:09 | JdGordon | dw |
| 11:49:13 | * | JdGordon watching tv now |
| 11:49:37 | * | jhMikeS is relieved it didn't break the TV |
| 11:51:18 | Siltaar | and, talking about the sansa, is anyone knowing if plugins work with sansa e250 for instance ? |
| 11:51:47 | bluebrother | Rockbox on the sansa works as on any other player. |
| 11:52:11 | bluebrother | there might be some things still missing like the tuner, but that's it. |
| 11:52:35 | Siltaar | ok, cool, thanks ^_^ |
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| 12:07:09 | Siltaar | concerning the sectionned voice files, I will code it right now if I can get enough info about that |
| 12:07:40 | Siltaar | so 1st question, wont it be easier if we use one voice file by plugin ? |
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| 12:16:15 | petur | lunch! |
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| 12:27:57 | markun | Siltaar: you mean a voice file for every plugin? I think that was the plan. |
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| 13:14:36 | amiconn | markun: One voice file per plugin would mean too much clutter imho. Same goes for .lng |
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| 13:17:49 | petur | it would also mean no voice support for 3rd party plugins (although none really exist atm so this isn't an issue) |
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| 13:19:37 | amiconn | No it's not. And iirc the idea was to support both sections and separate files. In fact that shouldn't even be much different |
| 13:20:04 | petur | ah ok then... |
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| 13:29:35 | petur | forum down |
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| 13:36:55 | Chrysalid | Hey, can I just stick my music files into the ipod root folder, or should I make some directories |
| 13:37:02 | Chrysalid | Couldnt find an answer from the manual |
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| 13:37:10 | petur | organize as you wish |
| 13:37:50 | petur | I use a tree like /music/A/Artist/CD |
| 13:37:51 | Chrysalid | I mean, it does organize them with the id3 tags, not filenames? |
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| 13:38:03 | petur | you can use both ways |
| 13:38:09 | Chrysalid | okay |
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| 13:38:18 | Chrysalid | I assume I have to boot my ipod into disk mode? |
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| 13:38:20 | Chrysalid | to add music |
| 13:38:28 | petur | if you only use tags, enable and use the database |
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| 13:39:14 | petur | if you use the database you can keep using itunes, but many users don't want itunes ;) |
| 13:39:47 | Chrysalid | im in linux |
| 13:39:47 | Chrysalid | :) |
| 13:40:00 | Chrysalid | ditched windows a month ago |
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| 13:41:53 | pixelma | the "database error" in the forums looks similar to what one gets when the search is broken (happens from time to time) - and then it has to be kicked by LinusN. Don't know if this needs the same... |
| 13:42:29 | badsheepy | if you only use tags and the original ipod stored files, playlists wont make much sense without a patch |
| 13:44:26 | Chrysalid | Great, the Rockbox database works :) |
| 13:45:23 | GodEater | you sounds surprised... |
| 13:45:56 | badsheepy | any technology.. sufficiently advanced.. etc :o |
| 13:46:01 | GodEater | hehe |
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| 13:53:12 | JdGordon | re FS #7201, do we want user settable rec dir? |
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| 13:54:05 | petur | some users do, and we kept off implementing because of the settings system. So now it should be possible/ok |
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| 13:58:35 | JdGordon | are all the rec_* variables in settings.h not #ifdefed? |
| 13:58:38 | JdGordon | or am i blind? |
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| 14:01:03 | JdGordon | adding the ifdef doesnt break non rec builds which is nice |
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| 14:02:11 | [IDC]Dragon | Hello Rockbox world! |
| 14:02:21 | petur | long time no see |
| 14:02:41 | * | [IDC]Dragon excuses for missing devcon 2007 |
| 14:02:56 | [IDC]Dragon | vacation, no internet |
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| 14:04:46 | [IDC]Dragon | more excuses for no rockbox dev'ing since last devcon... :-/ |
| 14:08:52 | JdGordon | anyone interested in testing the new rec dir setting? |
| 14:09:12 | LinusN | pixelma: fixed |
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| 14:11:27 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Did you already try wavrecord.rock? :) |
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| 14:13:40 | [IDC]Dragon | hi Jens! |
| 14:13:54 | [IDC]Dragon | no, but I happily read about it |
| 14:14:30 | [IDC]Dragon | what did I do wrong with it, back then? |
| 14:14:53 | [IDC]Dragon | (lots of things, probably...) |
| 14:15:14 | amiconn | I dunno |
| 14:15:27 | amiconn | I never checked your source, I worked from wavplay.c |
| 14:15:35 | [IDC]Dragon | me too |
| 14:16:09 | amiconn | yes, but you already changed things I didn't check |
| 14:16:55 | [IDC]Dragon | how was devcon, did your sister like it, too? |
| 14:17:06 | amiconn | The interrupt handling is a bit tricky, plus the recording loop concept from the core won't work (and is too slow in C as well) |
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| 14:17:51 | amiconn | So I did an asm loop based on the older core concept. Had to unroll it to make it fast enough on Ondio |
| 14:18:18 | * | amiconn thinks we should probably go back to the old concept in the core as well, of course as a slow C version |
| 14:18:46 | * | [IDC]Dragon doesn't recall 2 concepts |
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| 14:21:22 | amiconn | The old concept was to read as many bytes as one MAS "DMA" block contains, as opposed to read until the MAS doesn't answer anymore |
| 14:21:39 | amiconn | The "DMA" block size for mp3 is 30 bytes, and for pcm it's 36 bytes |
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| 14:23:33 | [IDC]Dragon | what did we try to improve with the new concept? |
| 14:23:49 | pixelma | LinusN: thanks - still makes me wonder what's up with that... |
| 14:24:10 | pixelma | [IDC]Dragon: yes, I liked devcon as well :) |
| 14:24:30 | [IDC]Dragon | pixelma: nice to hear :-) |
| 14:25:39 | [IDC]Dragon | I got too little sleep there, last time |
| 14:25:44 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Performance... but it seems to do the opposite. And too much performance isn't good for the MAS in mp3 recording mode... |
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| 14:28:03 | Siltaar | markun, so, if we code one voice file per plugin, just have to add one parametter to every functions that calls talk_id in order to say in which voice file the id should be search for no ? |
| 14:30:15 | amiconn | and I no longer think that relying on the dma block size is a bad idea... |
| 14:30:37 | amiconn | Siltaar: Sections, not separate files |
| 14:30:55 | amiconn | Think 25+ languages * 30 plugins... |
| 14:34:51 | JdGordon | anyone want to suggest a name for the "use the user configured" recording dir in the setting? (to g along with "/recording" and "current directory") ? |
| 14:36:20 | markun | Siltaar: better ask amiconn about voicefiles |
| 14:36:57 | petur | JdGordon: maybe it should just be a setting that happens to default to /recording ? |
| 14:37:01 | pixelma | JdGordon: do we still need "current directory" then? |
| 14:37:12 | amiconn | JdGordon: I'd rather want to get rid of the separate options and only have a user seletable dir |
| 14:37:13 | petur | nah |
| 14:37:25 | Siltaar | amiconn, the files are generated only for the configured language no ? |
| 14:37:35 | Siltaar | (the current voice file I mean) |
| 14:37:53 | petur | seems we all agree then |
| 14:37:59 | amiconn | The files are generated on the pc, but that's not the point |
| 14:38:09 | amiconn | Think about offering voice files for download... |
| 14:38:27 | JdGordon | As it is, I have it defaulting to /recordings if one wasnt set, and a context menu for folders to set a recording folder.. but no way to remove the setting.. |
| 14:38:30 | Siltaar | ah ok |
| 14:39:45 | Siltaar | and so currently, how clip position are found in the single voice file ? |
| 14:39:57 | JdGordon | pixelma: i dont know, I never record... |
| 14:40:01 | pixelma | JdGordon: is it possible to set the root directory as recording directory with this context menu? |
| 14:40:09 | JdGordon | its just as easy to remove the choice as it is to keep it... |
| 14:40:16 | Siltaar | we have to introduce a const offset for each section ? |
| 14:40:18 | JdGordon | hmm, no |
| 14:40:38 | amiconn | Siltaar: No, there would be only one section loaded at any time |
| 14:40:59 | Siltaar | a dynamically 'voice compiling created' offset |
| 14:41:41 | petur | JdGordon: have it default to the dir we're using now please |
| 14:42:04 | JdGordon | petur: thats what I have now.... |
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| 14:42:14 | Siltaar | hum... we can't imagine some clips that could be played from rockbox when a plugin runs, such as "low battery" |
| 14:42:23 | JdGordon | pixelma: the only way to d that would be add an option to set it to /.. or set the default to it |
| 14:42:24 | petur | well you typed /recordings so I hope that's a typo then |
| 14:42:39 | petur | oh it is ok - sorry |
| 14:42:44 | * | JdGordon hasnt change the defult define.. |
| 14:42:50 | * | petur slaps forehead |
| 14:43:06 | * | petur hides in case forehead logs in |
| 14:44:21 | pixelma | I don't think that's nice to have it default to the current directory. Imagine to start recording after listening to some music and then the recorded files ends up *somewhere* |
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| 14:45:10 | JdGordon | so default to / ? |
| 14:45:25 | JdGordon | pixelma: default hasnt changed.... |
| 14:45:46 | linuxstb_ | JdGordon: You can't use the keyboard to enter a directory name? |
| 14:46:01 | JdGordon | linuxstb_: adds to bin size... |
| 14:46:07 | pixelma | JdGordon: maybe make the setting in the context menu "use the directory you are in as recording directory" |
| 14:46:26 | JdGordon | thats confusing if you ask me... |
| 14:46:36 | JdGordon | linuxstb_: you can always create the dir then set it |
| 14:47:05 | pixelma | linuxstb_: it can take a long time to enter the path... |
| 14:47:57 | pixelma | bah, I remember having this discussed with amiconn a while ago - I just don't remember what our conclusion was :/ |
| 14:48:07 | JdGordon | :) |
| 14:48:32 | linuxstb_ | Why not just "Set as recording directory" for the context menu item? |
| 14:49:10 | linuxstb_ | And a "clear recording directory" option somewhere which would set it to the root |
| 14:49:39 | JdGordon | Ive just done that, but atm default is /recordins... |
| 14:49:53 | JdGordon | so we want t get rid of the option for current directory? |
| 14:50:09 | petur | I think we *only* need a 'Set as recording dir' context menu for directories |
| 14:50:23 | JdGordon | of course |
| 14:50:33 | petur | and no current dir option and no resetting |
| 14:50:35 | linuxstb_ | I can't see how "current directory" makes sense. Rockbox isn't a DOS prompt... |
| 14:50:37 | JdGordon | does the rec screen crash the sim for everyone? or just me? |
| 14:50:42 | petur | and default as what it is now |
| 14:50:59 | JdGordon | so the only way to rec t / is edit the .cfg file? |
| 14:51:08 | petur | it didn't crash last time I tried |
| 14:51:46 | petur | who wants to rec to the root anyway? |
| 14:52:06 | petur | let's force users to use a clean dir structure ;) |
| 14:52:24 | linuxstb_ | I think I would if I only recorded occasionally - I wouldn't want a Recordings directory there which is empty all/most of the time. |
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| 14:53:12 | pixelma | petur: the "clear" would be a solution to return to the root dir. I think I wouldn't record in the root but who know... |
| 14:53:25 | jief- | hello. any ETA for Nano second gen support? |
| 14:53:35 | jief- | i can't stand that crappy ipod OS anymore |
| 14:53:39 | petur | I'd think clear would reset it to default, no? |
| 14:53:41 | linuxstb_ | jief-: No-one is working on it. |
| 14:54:05 | jief- | bummer ;( |
| 14:54:22 | jief- | my ipod just locked. and i have to wait until the battery runs out before it will work again |
| 14:54:25 | linuxstb_ | petur: I think it's logical for "clear" to actually clear it - i.e. no directory. |
| 14:54:30 | jief- | i wish there was a way to reset them |
| 14:54:46 | Siltaar | that so unfair and counter productive from Apple to crypt the firmware... |
| 14:55:25 | linuxstb_ | Siltaar: I don't lose any sleep - there are more than enough hackable DAPs already... |
| 14:55:27 | JdGordon | petur: linuxstb_: if we dont have the menu option for the setting, clear would have t be reset, which would go back to default |
| 14:55:42 | pixelma | petur: yes atm... but one idea was to change it to be the root because you wouldn't be able to set this with a context menu |
| 14:55:42 | jief- | i shoulda bought a sandisk instead when my first gen nano died |
| 14:55:54 | linuxstb_ | JdGordon: Which menu option for the setting are you talking about? |
| 14:56:05 | JdGordon | the current one |
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| 14:56:23 | JdGordon | "/recordings" or "current directory" |
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| 14:59:23 | linuxstb_ | Another thought - how will a user be able to see what the currently set recording directory is? |
| 14:59:49 | petur | right, this should be visible somewhere |
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| 15:00:03 | petur | but the rec screen is stuffed as it is right now |
| 15:00:06 | jief- | is there a technical reason why no one's working on supporting the nano second gen? |
| 15:00:24 | markun | jief-: yes |
| 15:00:27 | linuxstb_ | jief-: It's well protected from third-party code by encryption |
| 15:00:42 | jief- | ah |
| 15:00:45 | markun | and there is no ducumentation for the components |
| 15:00:59 | JdGordon | petur: why is the rec screen stuffed? |
| 15:01:03 | markun | which are different from all the other ipods (besides the shuffle 2nd gen) |
| 15:01:20 | jief- | i dream of the days when vendors release specs for their damn hardware |
| 15:01:24 | petur | JdGordon: barely fits for some targets |
| 15:01:29 | JdGordon | oh |
| 15:01:58 | petur | we'd need a fixed part and a part you can scroll in or something like that |
| 15:02:03 | petur | or a WRS ;) |
| 15:02:29 | petur | and we're waiting for the viewports before changing all that |
| 15:02:42 | petur | so we don't have to do the work twice |
| 15:02:44 | JdGordon | 4 weeks... unless amiconn actually starts on them :) |
| 15:02:51 | linuxstb_ | jief-: You could always sell your Nano and buy something else... |
| 15:03:04 | GodEater | jief-: also - no-one that owns one has made an effort that were aware of to make rockbox on one happen |
| 15:03:24 | jief- | linuxstb_: im starting to think about that possibility and get a sandisk instead |
| 15:03:33 | jief- | GodEater: well, if i knew how to code, i sure would try |
| 15:03:40 | jief- | but i'm a simple sysadmin ;) |
| 15:04:04 | GodEater | coding is the least of the worries on getting rockbox working on one sadly |
| 15:04:44 | markun | jief-: the CPU in the Nano should be very similar to the ones in the newer irivers and the meizu M6, but we have not encrypted any of the firmwares yet afaik |
| 15:04:58 | otih | hi, i would like to support rockbox with a build server ... any buildserveradmin here? |
| 15:05:24 | GodEater | markun: do you mean "decrypted" ? |
| 15:05:35 | markun | otih: Bagder is the person to talk to |
| 15:05:36 | petur | otih: you'd need Bagder |
| 15:05:42 | markun | GodEater: yes :) |
| 15:06:19 | linuxstb_ | otih: Have you done all the preparatory work? Others here can help you with that before you talk tall Bagder about getting your server added. |
| 15:06:21 | GodEater | markun: I thought I'd missed an email from Steve Jobs to the "therockboxguys@rockbox.org" saying "please encrypt our shiny new firmware for us" :) |
| 15:07:02 | otih | i wrote Bagdar ... but perhaps i need still help ;) |
| 15:07:26 | GodEater | otih: have you read the BuildServer wiki page ? |
| 15:07:39 | otih | of course |
| 15:07:45 | markun | otih: just ask him in here when he gets back |
| 15:08:04 | markun | his nick is sometimes B4gder |
| 15:08:06 | linuxstb_ | otih: Have you installed the cross-compilers, set up the rbclient account etc? |
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| 15:12:29 | JdGordon | anyone game enough to test this patch? my h300 isnt playing nice |
| 15:13:10 | otih | linuxstb_: i wrote you in private. i added the user, but don´t know exactly what i need to install ( debian system ) |
| 15:15:43 | JdGordon | pixelma: petur, wanna test the patch? |
| 15:15:45 | GodEater | anyone use rsync to keep the contents of two similarly sized DAPS the same ? |
| 15:16:13 | petur | JdGordon: sorry, no time now (at work), in a few hours maybe |
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| 15:19:49 | linuxstb_ | otih: Just run the tools/rockboxdev.sh script in the Rockbox source - that will download, build and install all the compilers you need. |
| 15:20:36 | linuxstb_ | otih: You can change the install paths, so if you want, you can set them up to install in rbclient's home directory. |
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| 15:40:00 | JdGordon | are any rocks needed to record? |
| 15:40:23 | JdGordon | is make bin enough that the sim shuold at least open the rec screen? |
| 15:41:53 | petur | should be enough |
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| 15:42:29 | petur | haven't tried sim rec since jhMikeS big changes |
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| 15:46:59 | linuxstb_ | JdGordon: I would expect that the recording codecs will be needed |
| 15:47:13 | linuxstb_ | JdGordon: But I didn't think recording was implemented at all in the sim... |
| 15:47:29 | JdGordon | no, but I was hoping the screen at least would work |
| 15:47:38 | petur | ah yes, it may try to load the codecs |
| 15:47:53 | petur | the screen should just load, no actual recording |
| 15:47:54 | JdGordon | patch is on FS #7201 if your interested |
| 15:48:10 | JdGordon | the screen crashes in the text formatter function |
| 15:48:20 | JdGordon | fmt_gai function even |
| 15:48:24 | JdGordon | fmt_gain |
| 15:48:30 | petur | JdGordon: thanks, I'll have a look tonight |
| 15:48:43 | linuxstb_ | JdGordon: So what did you implement in the end? |
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| 15:49:58 | JdGordon | linuxstb_: context menu item for folders to set the one they want, and a optio in the rec settings to clear it (althought that shhuold say reset) to default "/recordings" |
| 15:50:34 | * | linuxstb_ still thinks "clear" should reset to the root and forget about forcing a certain directory name as the defautl |
| 15:51:05 | * | JdGordon doesnt care one way or the other, so will do whichever has mroe support |
| 15:52:33 | * | petur would be fine with reset pointing it to root too if anybody wanted it (as long as we clearly document it) |
| 15:52:53 | linuxstb_ | IMO, 1) It's logical; 2) It removes the need to use an English word; 3) It solves the issue of not being able to set the directory to the root |
| 15:53:18 | petur | alright, alright ;) |
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| 15:53:36 | JdGordon | haha, who can argue with hat ? :D |
| 15:54:00 | linuxstb_ | And it possibly reduces binary size because we don't need the "Recordings" string... |
| 15:54:09 | pondlife | Hi, all. Should the iPod 5.5g 80GB thread be locked now? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7738.75 |
| 15:54:13 | * | petur falls over |
| 15:54:26 | pondlife | Hmm, I missed all the beer? |
| 15:54:52 | linuxstb_ | pondlife: Yes, New Port threads are traditionally locked when SVN support is added. |
| 15:55:15 | linuxstb_ | pondlife: Can you do it, or shall I? |
| 15:55:22 | pondlife | I don't think I can. |
| 15:55:43 | linuxstb_ | I'm just in the developers group, no special rights... |
| 15:55:51 | pondlife | Same here |
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| 15:56:09 | linuxstb_ | So you should be able to do it - I'm pretty sure I can. |
| 15:56:22 | pondlife | Yep, spotted the button :) |
| 15:57:08 | pondlife | Hmm, it doesn't seem to do anything! |
| 15:57:17 | JdGordon | hey cool.... we can attach/delete files when editing comments on FS now :) |
| 15:57:22 | linuxstb_ | Locked threads aren't obvious... |
| 15:57:44 | pondlife | Ah, I needed to refresh |
| 15:57:52 | linuxstb_ | But it's locked - the reply button has disappeared and there's a little padlock... |
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| 16:02:06 | * | linuxstb_ wonders how the forum thread for Evil_G's build has turned into a multi-page discussion about tags and sorting |
| 16:02:51 | * | linuxstb_ then wonders how the "split" option works... |
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| 16:04:08 | bipolarbear | hmm |
| 16:04:14 | bipolarbear | is mplayer support working yet? |
| 16:04:17 | bipolarbear | with sound and everything? |
| 16:04:21 | bipolarbear | with sound and everything? |
| 16:04:26 | bipolarbear | does anyone know? |
| 16:04:36 | bipolarbear | oops |
| 16:04:41 | pondlife | What's mplayer? |
| 16:05:18 | bipolarbear | hmm |
| 16:05:24 | bipolarbear | ok rephrase |
| 16:05:26 | Siltaar | a multimedia player |
| 16:05:34 | GodEater | I *assume* he's referring to mpegplayer |
| 16:05:35 | bipolarbear | is there any multimedia player for rockbox that works? |
| 16:05:37 | pondlife | :) |
| 16:05:40 | bipolarbear | hehe |
| 16:05:53 | bipolarbear | yeah i ment mpegplayer |
| 16:05:53 | pondlife | Well, sound and video work, but I don't know if that's "everything" |
| 16:06:01 | bipolarbear | well thats enough for me |
| 16:06:04 | bipolarbear | did not work a while back |
| 16:06:05 | GodEater | it doesn't do ff/rw yet |
| 16:06:20 | pondlife | Does MPEG2 support subtitles? |
| 16:06:31 | pondlife | I'm pretty sure those aren't in there ;) |
| 16:06:33 | bipolarbear | thats fine aslong as sound works i am happy :D |
| 16:06:52 | pondlife | It's much improved over the past month or 2. |
| 16:07:01 | bipolarbear | :D yay |
| 16:07:11 | bipolarbear | so someone got back to the code :) |
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| 16:07:32 | GodEater | I thought sound had been working for ages |
| 16:07:41 | GodEater | shows how often I use it |
| 16:08:28 | bipolarbear | nope it has not |
| 16:08:33 | bipolarbear | or atleast not 4 months ago |
| 16:08:35 | bipolarbear | or something like that |
| 16:08:48 | GodEater | 4 months = ages in rockbox terms |
| 16:09:50 | markun | for some things |
| 16:10:03 | GodEater | didn't mpegplayer only go into svn in Jan ? |
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| 16:11:03 | markun | GodEater: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/plugins/mpegplayer/mpegplayer.c?view=log |
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| 16:11:12 | markun | Mon Aug 7 |
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| 16:11:40 | linuxstb_ | pondlife: MPEG2 itself doesn't support subtitles (afaik), but associated standards like DVD and DVB include subtitles. There's also the option of separate .srt (or any of the 100s of subtitle formats) support. |
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| 16:11:59 | GodEater | my mistake |
| 16:12:08 | * | GodEater curses cgi-irc again |
| 16:12:29 | markun | :) |
| 16:13:13 | GodEater | according to that log it was sound support that went in in Jan |
| 16:13:19 | GodEater | I knew I wasn't completely mad :) |
| 16:14:02 | linuxstb_ | Not my fastest work... |
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| 16:15:46 | jac0b | on the sansa is there a way to disable the database refresh when going into the OF |
| 16:16:40 | JdGordon | jac0b: are you the guy who put the request on he tracker? |
| 16:16:51 | jac0b | no |
| 16:17:07 | JdGordon | hmm ok... we need to know what OF version you are running.. |
| 16:17:11 | JdGordon | you on linux? |
| 16:17:19 | jac0b | I saw it on a forum http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14282 |
| 16:17:34 | jac0b | 1.02.18 |
| 16:17:49 | jac0b | no linux |
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| 16:43:23 | * | JdGordon is getting heaps of spam emails aftr replying to the user ml :'( |
| 16:46:38 | otih | linuxstb_: done; what to do next? |
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| 16:52:24 | pixelma | hmm... JdGordon - I thought the recording settings patch would add another setting to the context menu when using it on a folder? |
| 16:52:53 | JdGordon | it should add a "set as recording direcorty" item to a folder context menu |
| 16:53:09 | pixelma | I can't find it here on my Ondio |
| 16:54:04 | pixelma | err.... probably my fault |
| 16:55:15 | linuxstb_ | otih: Checkout a copy of the Rockbox source from SVN in ~rbclient/ and then wait to talk to Bagder/B4gder |
| 16:55:51 | linuxstb_ | otih: You could also do some test builds in rbclient's home directory to make sure the compilers are working (if you haven't already) |
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| 16:57:12 | * | Denstark licks #rockbox. |
| 16:57:51 | JdGordon | ... and on that interesting show of affection... /me goes to bed |
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| 16:58:42 | Nico_P | pondlife ? |
| 16:59:04 | pondlife | Hi |
| 16:59:10 | Denstark | hi |
| 16:59:26 | Nico_P | Hi. Is your buffering API progressing ? |
| 16:59:30 | pondlife | No |
| 16:59:38 | Nico_P | :) |
| 16:59:45 | pondlife | A quick answer! |
| 16:59:49 | Nico_P | indeed |
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| 17:00:07 | pondlife | I mainly put the page up so that interested parties could run with the idea if they had time (and thought it might be useful) |
| 17:00:07 | Nico_P | Because I think it could very well be the first step toward MoB |
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| 17:00:20 | pondlife | Well, you know what to do then ;) |
| 17:00:48 | pondlife | I doubt I will have time to put fingers to keyboard much, but am happy to help consider things if you have questions. |
| 17:00:50 | Nico_P | exactly, and I thought you could be of great help, as you probably had a vision of how it would work |
| 17:01:11 | pondlife | Not much - I've tried to put it all on the wiki. |
| 17:01:17 | zipper | hmm |
| 17:01:26 | zipper | the sound with the mpeg player is really weird |
| 17:01:35 | zipper | fastfplaying |
| 17:01:39 | pondlife | I like the way that the AudioHWAPI was handled on the wiki - test cases and all, so that would be next I think. |
| 17:02:46 | markun | zipper: which samplerate did you use? |
| 17:03:02 | markun | it needs to be 44100Hz |
| 17:03:55 | Nico_P | pondlife: so there would be a buffering thread controlled with the buf*() functions ? |
| 17:04:25 | pondlife | That was my idea, yes. It would pretty much replace the current playback thread I think. |
| 17:05:06 | Nico_P | and it would all be in buffering.[ch] |
| 17:05:27 | pixelma | the recording directory patch seems to have a major flaw... it doesn't handle the case when someone deleted the directory that's set for recording |
| 17:05:33 | pondlife | Something like that, but there are many things still to be considered (and it may not turn out to be viable....) |
| 17:05:33 | Nico_P | well the playback thread would still be needed to handle things like FF/RW and even pause |
| 17:05:52 | pondlife | Yes... hence "pretty much" |
| 17:06:07 | Nico_P | ok :) |
| 17:06:20 | pondlife | Codec swapping and much metadata stuff too.. |
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| 17:06:40 | pondlife | And, sadly, keeping the voice thread going! |
| 17:07:55 | Nico_P | what's codec swapping ? changing codecs when two successive files don't use the same one ? |
| 17:08:08 | pondlife | Yes, and a bit of tracking. |
| 17:08:16 | pondlife | The codecs live in the audio buffer too. |
| 17:08:39 | pondlife | |codec|audio|codec|audio|audio|... |
| 17:08:53 | pondlife | (Or it might be audio then codec, can't remember.) |
| 17:09:13 | Nico_P | I think the codec is before the audi |
| 17:09:14 | pondlife | With the buffering API, those would also be handled as buffered files. |
| 17:09:19 | Nico_P | yes |
| 17:09:45 | Nico_P | the thing is I have no experience in threading |
| 17:09:52 | pondlife | Me neither!! |
| 17:10:01 | Nico_P | haha then I'm reassured :) |
| 17:10:08 | pondlife | Have a look in playback.c at the stuff that starts threads maybe? |
| 17:10:12 | amiconn | Codec swapping is for voice & playback |
| 17:10:17 | pondlife | That too |
| 17:10:36 | linuxstb_ | pixelma: How do you think that should be handled? I can think of 1) Create the directory again; 2) Default to the root; 3) Give an error and don't record |
| 17:10:51 | pondlife | Hopefully that can go away at some point - a dedicated voice codec would be nice (even if it's just a copy of the MPA codec linked at a different address). |
| 17:10:57 | amiconn | pondlife: It's only for that. Crossfading is handled differently |
| 17:11:24 | pondlife | I was referring more to the codecs in the buffer, not in "time". |
| 17:11:35 | amiconn | pondlife: Then one of them cannot use iram anymore (or both can use less) |
| 17:12:34 | pondlife | We need to see if IRAM is really needed for MPA voice, or on which targets? |
| 17:12:57 | pondlife | IIRC it was thought this wasn't need on Coldfire at least. |
| 17:13:12 | pondlife | Mono, limited bitrate etc. |
| 17:13:41 | linuxstb_ | pondlife: If it's OK on Coldfire, then I would expect it's OK on portalplayer (apart from maybe the PP5002) |
| 17:14:00 | pondlife | I might be remembering wrong, this is really still work to be done... |
| 17:14:11 | linuxstb_ | Does the current code swap the codec stack as well as the 48KB? |
| 17:14:11 | pixelma | linuxstb_: (1) isn't always possible, for example in my test case I set the <MMC1> "folder" as recording directory... then removed the MMC |
| 17:14:23 | pondlife | linuxstb_: I think so. |
| 17:14:24 | linuxstb_ | pixelma: Yes, I just thought of that case... |
| 17:14:36 | pixelma | I think it should default to the root |
| 17:14:46 | badsheepy | thats not very nice and guiish |
| 17:15:01 | badsheepy | unless it told you it was doing it first and let you cancel |
| 17:16:00 | pixelma | the error *Panic* only occured when it tried to write the data |
| 17:16:15 | linuxstb_ | pixelma: What about trying 1) (if possible), and then 2). Or is that adding too much complexity? |
| 17:17:34 | amiconn | linuxstb_: The stack doesn't need to be swapped, as the codecs run in different threads, and the stack isn#T in the codec ram or codec iram area |
| 17:18:14 | linuxstb_ | Is the voice thread's stack in IRAM? |
| 17:18:37 | Nico_P | is the sim a good tool to test threading things ? |
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| 17:18:55 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: Not really - the kernel is different to the real kernel. |
| 17:18:56 | pondlife | Nico_P: Not really |
| 17:19:03 | Nico_P | ok :) |
| 17:19:26 | pondlife | You can run multiple threads, but contention is handled differently. |
| 17:19:47 | pondlife | A good way to start playing at least. |
| 17:20:03 | Nico_P | my MoB task is looking more and more like a rewrite of the playback system... scary |
| 17:20:31 | pixelma | linuxstb_: that sounds a bit complex to me but then I'm not a coder... |
| 17:20:46 | amiconn | linuxstb_: In case of the missing recording directory, I think it should try (1) and then (3) |
| 17:20:52 | pondlife | Nico_P: It *is* a rewrite of the playback system, no doubt about it! |
| 17:20:56 | pondlife | And yes, that's scary. |
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| 17:21:15 | * | Nico_P is about to run away screaming :) |
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| 17:21:35 | pondlife | But it should be a good chance to bring a bit more order to it... and I thank you for taking it on! |
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| 17:21:51 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: I'm just thinking that 3) could be annoying if you want to start a recording in a hurry. |
| 17:22:25 | Nico_P | pondlife: I just hope I'll get a lot of help from people like you who know how it's supposed to work |
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| 17:23:30 | Nico_P | pondlife: in the current system, only the audio data is kept in the file buffer ? not the entire audio file ? |
| 17:23:34 | pondlife | Nico_P: I'm not the real expert, just a hacker. Speak to lostlogic (Mr Buffering) and jhMikeS (Mr Threading). |
| 17:23:35 | amiconn | linuxstb_: (1) can only fail in 2 situations: (a) no space left (b) volume removed (Ondio, soon Sansa) |
| 17:23:48 | amiconn | Then it doesn't make sense to default to the root... |
| 17:23:49 | pondlife | Nico_P: I think so, the metadata is pre-removed |
| 17:23:59 | Nico_P | pondlife: sadly, lostlogic isn't very available |
| 17:24:03 | pixelma | that was my first reaction too - especially when one doesn't look at the recording screen thinking s/he started it correctly and as I said the error didn't occur at the beginning of the recording (that could be changed I guess) |
| 17:24:03 | pondlife | I know |
| 17:24:16 | Nico_P | although he's often logged on |
| 17:24:34 | amiconn | On Ondio it could make sense, but not much. Sure someone sets the recording dir to mmc for more available space |
| 17:24:42 | pondlife | Nico_P: If the metadata is on the buffer, I'm not sure if the codecs know how to skip it.... they should do, but I don't know if they do. |
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| 17:25:04 | amiconn | pixelma: The directory recreation would already happen when entering the recording screen |
| 17:25:21 | Nico_P | they probably need the exact location of the compressec audio data, which shouldn't be too hard to give them |
| 17:25:24 | amiconn | This is what it does without the patch for /recordings anyway |
| 17:25:30 | pondlife | I would think more about the structure and test cases before starting to code anything, anyway. |
| 17:25:43 | Nico_P | what do you mean by test cases ? |
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| 17:26:25 | Siltaar | is the current svn revision build ? |
| 17:26:30 | Siltaar | I got make[1]: *** No rule to make target `stubs.c', needed by `/home/nfs/simon.descarpentries/rockbox/build-sansa/apps/filetypes.o'. Stop. |
| 17:26:34 | pixelma | that's true |
| 17:26:35 | pondlife | Make a list of various things that playback needs to be able to do. Ensure that your solution can do them. Things like crossfade - WPS next track info,... |
| 17:27:08 | pondlife | There are lots of them, most will hopefully not be affected too much, but I've not thought about it. |
| 17:27:21 | Nico_P | I see |
| 17:27:24 | pondlife | I'm sure others can chime in - start a section in the wiki |
| 17:29:28 | pondlife | Also bear the MAS targets in mind... they don't use playback.c IIRC; I've no idea how they go about buffering. |
| 17:29:52 | amiconn | One goal here would be to unify things |
| 17:29:58 | pondlife | Yes |
| 17:30:26 | amiconn | Currently the MAS playback engine is in mpeg.c, using parts of mp3_playback.c |
| 17:30:31 | pondlife | amiconn: Am I right to recall that the MAS needs metadata removing to work gaplessly? |
| 17:30:41 | amiconn | The mpeg thread handles both playback and recording |
| 17:30:58 | pondlife | What handles the file reading? |
| 17:31:03 | amiconn | pondlife: Um,, all codecs need that I would think |
| 17:31:28 | amiconn | pondlife: The whole engine is where I said, that includes file reading, buffering etc |
| 17:31:43 | amiconn | It just queries playlist.c for the playlist |
| 17:32:21 | pondlife | OK, so there's a possibility that a generic buffering API could be used by mpeg.c as a stepping stone towards unification? |
| 17:32:41 | amiconn | I don't think that will work |
| 17:32:56 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: OK, I agree 1) and 3) make sense. |
| 17:33:43 | pondlife | amiconn: I know you put some reasons up in IRC before, but if you could put them on the wiki that would be useful. |
| 17:34:10 | pondlife | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BufferingAPIProposal |
| 17:35:19 | pondlife | I know there's the bitswap and metadata removal required... is that it? |
| 17:35:45 | Nico_P | pondlife: is the "Current Status" part of http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoftwareCodecPlayback the current way the playback engine works or the current (at the time) idea of how to implement MoB ? |
| 17:36:10 | pondlife | An idea, I think |
| 17:36:26 | pondlife | Maybe the heading should say "Current proposal" |
| 17:37:03 | pondlife | The bit at the bottom... "Rockbox software codec current audio playback functional description" is more accurate |
| 17:38:21 | Nico_P | it mentions static "worst case size" metadata buffers. I think that isn't possible |
| 17:39:38 | amiconn | pondlife: I think metadata must be removed (and currently is removed) on swcodec as well |
| 17:40:00 | pondlife | Yes, that's what I feared some lines back. |
| 17:40:56 | amiconn | I don't think that's a problem |
| 17:41:50 | amiconn | When opening a new track, the metadata reader first gets the metadata anyway, and puts it in a separate buffer slot. Only the pure audio data is bufferend in the main buffer |
| 17:42:27 | amiconn | For MoB, the metadata buffer slot would "just" be in the main buffer as well, as some kind of header to the audio data |
| 17:42:48 | Nico_P | yes |
| 17:43:04 | amiconn | The metadata won't be fed to the codec, regardless whether that is a codec library or the mas |
| 17:43:13 | Nico_P | and the buffering API would have to keep track of them as two separate things |
| 17:43:52 | amiconn | We will need one (or two) extra slots outside the main buffer, for copying the metadata of the current (and next) track into |
| 17:43:55 | Nico_P | so the buffering thread would simply monitor the playlist in order to know what to buffer next or to unbuffer |
| 17:44:02 | Nico_P | yes |
| 17:44:33 | amiconn | The former because it becomes invalidated after starting the track at the next rebuffer action |
| 17:44:36 | Nico_P | or couldn't they just be accessed in the main buffer |
| 17:44:38 | Nico_P | ? |
| 17:44:46 | amiconn | how? |
| 17:44:51 | pondlife | No, they might not be buffered. |
| 17:44:55 | amiconn | A track can well be longer than the buffer size |
| 17:44:58 | pondlife | Imagine a long track |
| 17:45:19 | amiconn | Very common on archos, and also common on swcodec with lossless formats |
| 17:45:21 | Nico_P | well it could be invalidated only when the track is finished playing |
| 17:45:30 | pondlife | No, |
| 17:45:31 | Nico_P | meaning the track would be buffered in the rest of the buffer |
| 17:45:37 | amiconn | how?? |
| 17:45:49 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: Then you would have a gap in the buffer... |
| 17:45:49 | pondlife | But where would the next track info be? |
| 17:45:53 | * | amiconn even has a 65MB mp3 track |
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| 17:46:06 | Nico_P | OK I see the problem |
| 17:46:19 | pondlife | A suitable test case, right there! |
| 17:46:33 | amiconn | I also have 200MB+ flac tracks |
| 17:47:18 | Nico_P | and where would the buffering thread keep track of the "file handles" ? |
| 17:47:24 | linuxstb_ | There's also other metadata it would be nice to load at buffering time - such as seektables, and any codec "extradata" (as ffmpeg calls it) which is required by the decoder before it can decode any audio frames. |
| 17:47:55 | pondlife | Nico_P: I imagined the "file handles" as actually being offsets to the block of metadata... |
| 17:48:03 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: where is that stored currenty ? |
| 17:48:20 | amiconn | Nico_P: Why would that be needed? No more than one file should be open at any time |
| 17:48:32 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: Either in static buffers in the 512KB codec buffer, or "malloc'ed" out of the 512K codec malloc buffer. |
| 17:48:48 | linuxstb_ | The latter is something that would be nice to eliminate. |
| 17:48:55 | amiconn | pondlife: The metadata blocks could just be a linked list |
| 17:48:56 | Nico_P | amiconn: "Handle: An integer that refers to a particular buffered file, not necessarily the file handle as used by standard file i/o." |
| 17:49:46 | Nico_P | pondlife: offsets probably wouldn't work... what would the handle to an unbuffered piece of data be ? we could have that, couldn't we ? |
| 17:49:51 | pondlife | amiconn: Yes, that's what I was imagining. The "file handles" were just a way for the outside world to find an entry. It could be a list ID... |
| 17:50:08 | Nico_P | that's it, but where is the linked list stored ? |
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| 17:50:32 | * | pixelma now has 2 <MMC1> folders at the same time... |
| 17:50:35 | GodEater | linuxstb_: seen the post in the apple install forum? I'm stumped... |
| 17:50:42 | Nico_P | I did think of a linked list, but where would the structs go ? |
| 17:50:48 | amiconn | Nico_P: Erm, the blocks would just form a linked list (or perhaps a double-linked list) |
| 17:51:02 | amiconn | The blocks *are* the structs... |
| 17:51:06 | Nico_P | amiconn: ok I see |
| 17:51:54 | linuxstb_ | GodEater: Hmm.... I'll reply with some suggestions. |
| 17:52:04 | amiconn | linuxstb_: Why would you need a separate buffer for a list? |
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| 17:52:52 | Nico_P | amiconn: well the data buffer for a block would be out of the struct... we'd have sth like |struct1|data1|struct2|data2| ? |
| 17:52:56 | * | amiconn exaggerated a little |
| 17:53:03 | amiconn | My larges flac track is 171MB |
| 17:53:14 | Nico_P | where data can be a codec, audio data, a bitmap... |
| 17:53:26 | Nico_P | which the struct would inidcate |
| 17:53:32 | amiconn | Yes, sure |
| 17:53:38 | pondlife | Nico_P: Careful you don't cause buffer fragmentation. What about the as-yet-unbuffered files? |
| 17:54:01 | amiconn | pondlife: Unbuffered files don't need metadata either |
| 17:54:20 | amiconn | There won't be any fragmentation from this concept, because everything is written in sequence |
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| 17:54:33 | Nico_P | pondlife: well what should bufopen() do in case the buffer is full ? return <0 ? |
| 17:54:44 | pondlife | Ah, I was thinking Nico_P was also referring to a list of future files to be buffered. |
| 17:54:47 | Nico_P | or maybe keep a queue of the requests |
| 17:55:01 | pondlife | A seperate queue I guess |
| 17:55:20 | Nico_P | yes maybe so that as soon as some buffer space is freed it can start buffering the next file |
| 17:55:23 | pondlife | The buffer will be full much of the time, especially with monster files. |
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| 17:55:27 | pondlife | Nico_P: No |
| 17:55:41 | pondlife | The buffering will wait until it really has to spin up the disk |
| 17:55:49 | Nico_P | true |
| 17:55:58 | pondlife | The aim is to reduce disk spin-ups, not to keep the buffer full. |
| 17:55:58 | amiconn | The 'list of future files' is the playlist.... |
| 17:56:33 | amiconn | No need to copy that as it can be queried as needed |
| 17:56:46 | Nico_P | that's true |
| 17:56:59 | pondlife | Makes sense, although we might need to allow MPEG2 files into the playlist one day. |
| 17:57:04 | Nico_P | pondlife: so we spin the disk when the buffer runs low ? |
| 17:57:20 | pondlife | When we think we are in danger of failing a bufread() |
| 17:57:27 | amiconn | In case the api should be made generic it could specify a callback for that, which would hook to the playlist code in case of music playback |
| 17:57:28 | Nico_P | and then buffer as much of the playlist as possible ? |
| 17:57:44 | pondlife | Yes, while the disk is spinning we fill the entire buffer |
| 17:58:18 | Nico_P | and what if the buffer is almost empty but there is a buffered file still used that's right in the middle of it ? |
| 17:58:28 | Nico_P | and everything else has been bufclosed |
| 17:58:45 | pondlife | That can't happen. bufclose() is just an indicator... |
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| 17:59:26 | Nico_P | what do you mean ? we overwrite even if bufclosed for that particular handle was never called ? |
| 17:59:35 | pondlife | A section of a file may be overwritten in the buffer before bufclose(), but it would need re-reading if a subsequent bufread() required it. |
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| 18:00:00 | pondlife | Yes, absolutely. Have a look at how the current code reacts (in the debug View Audio Thread screen)... |
| 18:00:26 | pondlife | Then play with some large/small tracks and skip forward/backward etc. |
| 18:00:31 | The-Compiler | Hi |
| 18:01:03 | pondlife | The only point of bufclose() would be to free up a handle, but if the playlist handles all of this, then bufopen and bufclose can be removed. |
| 18:01:51 | pondlife | The whole API becomes much more about controlling the access to the buffer, not much else! |
| 18:02:43 | Nico_P | how does the playlist remove the need for bufclose and bufopen ? |
| 18:03:17 | pondlife | You'll just rely on the playlist itself for your "list of files to buffer" |
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| 18:04:24 | pondlife | i.e. just like now, but with a bigger fence around the buffer ;) |
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| 18:07:10 | Nico_P | without bufopen we don't have handles anymore, do we ? |
| 18:07:28 | pondlife | Nope, just whatever index the playlist uses. |
| 18:08:09 | Nico_P | yes but a playlist item relates to several pieces of data |
| 18:08:45 | Nico_P | the audio data, the AA bitmap, the cuesheet, the metadata |
| 18:09:00 | pondlife | Ah, true.... forget it, keep bufopen/bufclose and have a small structure to track "handles" |
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| 18:09:23 | pondlife | We can put a limit on the number of buffered files, I think I suggested 64 would be plenty. |
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| 18:10:28 | Nico_P | well we might not even need a limit if the "files" form a linked list |
| 18:10:29 | pondlife | Currently playback allows up to 32 tracks to be buffered (although it gets a bit confused if you achieve that) |
| 18:10:42 | nls | I thought MOB was a way to get rid of the limit |
| 18:11:07 | * | linuxstb_ wants 5000 SID tracks in RAM at once... |
| 18:11:20 | pondlife | Fair enough |
| 18:11:21 | Nico_P | an another test case ! ;) |
| 18:11:26 | * | linuxstb_ should point out he was joking |
| 18:11:39 | pondlife | Nico_P: You're getting the hang of it.. ;) |
| 18:12:41 | Nico_P | :) |
| 18:13:12 | Nico_P | does it sound reasonable that the buffering thread would monitor the playlist ? |
| 18:13:55 | Nico_P | the current audio thread does that anyway, doesn't it ? |
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| 18:20:11 | pondlife | Nico_P: I was thinking that the playback thread would monitor the playlist, and call bufopen(). But that might be one abstraction too far... |
| 18:21:23 | Nico_P | seems more logical to me if it's the buffering thread |
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| 18:25:45 | Rincewind | hi |
| 18:26:48 | Rincewind | I have a question for the sansa users: What happens when USB is plugged in when the Sansa runs Rockbox? Does it charge? |
| 18:26:53 | mpeccorini | Guys, I just registered myself in the wiki, can I get write permissions please? |
| 18:27:05 | bluebrother | mpeccorini: what's your wiki name? |
| 18:27:42 | mpeccorini | bluebrother: MauricioPeccorini |
| 18:28:21 | bluebrother | mpeccorini: done. |
| 18:28:28 | mpeccorini | bluebrother: thanks a lot |
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| 18:34:32 | a1titude | looking at the ipod runtime wiki page, no 80gb submissions yet I take it! As soon I have time, I'll conduct a test. |
| 18:36:53 | nls | a1titude: more battery benchmarks are always welcome, even if others are available |
| 18:37:29 | nls | anyone want's to test a small iram optimization that gives me about 2% speedup in vorbis decoding? |
| 18:37:46 | nls | want's/wants |
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| 18:38:32 | a1titude | nls: will it give more batterylife in vorbis playback? :p |
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| 18:40:06 | nls | a1titude: it might give a very small increase, I am interested in tests on pp players to see if it helps there |
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| 18:40:33 | a1titude | I woulden't know how to compile it, but I'm willing to do a test. |
| 18:41:06 | nls | a1titude: ok, what player do you have? |
| 18:41:12 | a1titude | ipod 80gb |
| 18:41:36 | nls | it's just aregular ipod video build, right? |
| 18:42:26 | nls | ok, building |
| 18:42:28 | a1titude | yeah |
| 18:44:11 | markun | nls: with 64MB? |
| 18:44:35 | markun | well, doesn't really matter, 32 works on all |
| 18:45:05 | nls | ok, built with 32, now I just have to figure out the address to my ftp... |
| 18:45:22 | The-Compiler | A 5.5G 80GB has as fair as i know 64, but 32 works too |
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| 18:45:33 | Rincewind | markun: did you get those creative headphones? |
| 18:46:09 | linuxstb_ | nls: Is IRAM enabled for PP targets in Tremor? IIRC, it was disabled in the past because Tremor used too much IRAM on ARM. |
| 18:46:34 | nls | linuxstb_: I think i's used for some things... |
| 18:47:20 | Chrysalid | Hey, I added two tracks, then enabled the database, then added some more songs but now the database menu seems to be stuck |
| 18:47:38 | Chrysalid | I tried "Recently added" but its not displaying anything |
| 18:47:38 | linuxstb_ | nls: Is your change ICODE or IDATA/IBSS? |
| 18:47:47 | nls | IBSS |
| 18:48:01 | nls | anyway the patch is here http://pastebin.ca/507521 |
| 18:48:30 | * | linuxstb_ wonders if Soap is still searching for that perfect test track |
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| 18:49:01 | nls | a1titude: test build with patch applied and test_codec plugin |
| 18:49:03 | nls | http://home.student.uu.se/niwa5341/rockbox.zip |
| 18:49:27 | linuxstb | a1titude: You also need to run test_codec with a normal build - as a comparison |
| 18:49:29 | crichardson | does rockbox allow you to rate songs? |
| 18:51:32 | linuxstb | nls: I don't understand your patch - the codec stack is in IRAM, so you've just moved the variable from IRAM to IRAM... |
| 18:52:11 | linuxstb | So if your test is accurate, it means global variables are faster than local ones... |
| 18:52:21 | nls | linuxstb: are you sure? it gives a reproducible 2% speedup on my h300 |
| 18:52:57 | a1titude | so should I do a test with the normal rockbox firmware before I do it with that version? |
| 18:54:06 | nls | a1titude: any order will do but you need the test_codec plugin which I included... |
| 18:54:28 | linuxstb | nls: The "real" codec thread has an IRAM stack, and unless test_codec is buggy, the test_codec thread should be in IRAM as well. |
| 18:54:36 | a1titude | ok |
| 18:54:54 | a1titude | I'll wait for it to charge now! :p |
| 18:55:29 | nls | linuxstb: hmm, where is that stack (which .map file?) |
| 18:55:43 | a1titude | nls: do you want a batterybenchmark test? Or just the test_codec? |
| 18:55:51 | amiconn | pondlife: One main point of MoB is that we do *not* have to impose a limit on the number of files in the buffer anymore |
| 18:56:07 | nls | a1titude: only test_codec |
| 18:56:13 | a1titude | ok |
| 18:56:18 | a1titude | will do |
| 18:56:41 | linuxstb | You'll need to copy .rockbox/viewers.config from the build with test_codec as well |
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| 18:57:28 | linuxstb | nls: The real codec stack is codec_stack in rockbox.map. test_codec steals that stack for its own use, so it isn't in any map |
| 18:57:33 | amiconn | It should be able to handle both very large files, where audio can't be completely buffered at once, and very small files, of which hundreds might fit in the buffer at once |
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| 18:58:38 | linuxstb | nls: In fact it's "static", so isn't in the map... |
| 18:59:10 | amiconn | If the track headers in the buffer form a linked list, this should be possible without any separate array, and hence not impose a limit on the number of tracks |
| 18:59:28 | a1titude | do I need to let the battery drain or just leave it for an hour or so? :p |
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| 19:00:19 | nls | a1titude: no, just open the context menu on a vorbis file -> open with... -> test_codec -> speed test |
| 19:00:21 | amiconn | We only need one fixed slot to copy the header data into once playback of this track has started, since it is then possible that the in-buffer copy gets overwritten before the track finishes |
| 19:00:50 | nls | a1titude: it should only take a few minutes, depending on file length of course |
| 19:00:55 | a1titude | ok |
| 19:01:18 | * | linuxstb wonders if it would be useful to include test_codec in the builds |
| 19:01:33 | amiconn | A second fixed slot might be used for reading the header data of the next file in advance even if the audio data can't be buffered yet, in order to provide next_track info at all times |
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| 19:01:59 | amiconn | But that's optional, and should be left out for low-mem targets |
| 19:02:33 | nardul | Evening, on an ipod, with the build from last night, how would i make rockbox support æ ø å's? |
| 19:04:11 | linuxstb | nardul: What do you mean? You want to view non-ASCII characters? |
| 19:04:35 | Neovanglist | track lists i dansk :) |
| 19:05:04 | pixelma | depends on how your tags were written, provided you mean in tags |
| 19:05:45 | nardul | Not only in tags, but names, yeah |
| 19:05:50 | nardul | And yes, danish char's |
| 19:06:11 | Nico_P | amiconn: would the main buffer still need to be a ring buffer ? |
| 19:06:13 | nardul | linuxstb, Afaik those are ascii chars. |
| 19:06:27 | bluebrother | nardul: you need a font that supports unicode |
| 19:06:33 | amiconn | I can't imagine how it could work otherwise... |
| 19:06:41 | bluebrother | or, at least that has this glyphs. |
| 19:07:04 | Nico_P | amiconn: why ? |
| 19:07:06 | amiconn | nardul: No, they aren't ascii. |
| 19:07:16 | bluebrother | some fonts are quite limited and don't provide much more than plain ascii, others (like unifont) a much greater range of unicode glyphs |
| 19:07:18 | pixelma | bluebrother: those characters are part of the extended latin part - should be supported by most rockbox fonts |
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| 19:07:27 | Slasheri | i still think the audio buffer could be fully dynamic, a pool of fixed size memory allocation slots |
| 19:07:42 | Slasheri | *codec buffer |
| 19:07:44 | amiconn | Nico_P: How would continuous playback be possible for files larger than the buffer without using a ring buffer? |
| 19:07:45 | bluebrother | iirc those characters are part of latin1 |
| 19:07:47 | nardul | pixelma, I'll try another font then. |
| 19:08:02 | bluebrother | I think rockbox_default only has ascii. |
| 19:08:15 | a1titude | 01 Wasted.ogg |
| 19:08:15 | a1titude | 174266 of 274266 |
| 19:08:15 | a1titude | Decode time - 126.41s |
| 19:08:15 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK a1titude |
| 19:08:15 | a1titude | File Duration - 274.26s |
| 19:08:15 | a1titude | 216.96% realtime |
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| 19:08:15 | a1titude | (for the modded firmware) |
| 19:08:18 | nardul | And i think you're right bluebrother |
| 19:08:24 | amiconn | bluebrother: rockbox_default has full iso8859-1 |
| 19:08:30 | bluebrother | but yes, most fonts support at least latin scripts. |
| 19:08:44 | Nico_P | amiconn: OK I see now :) |
| 19:08:49 | nardul | amiconn, I'm using it and it's not really working. Maube utf8 |
| 19:09:35 | Nico_P | Slasheri: why the codec buffer ? |
| 19:09:40 | bluebrother | nardul: what files are you using? Or more specifically: what type of tags? |
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| 19:10:11 | Slasheri | Nico_P: that is the largest memory area available, and could be used for dynamic memory allocation as well |
| 19:10:12 | pixelma | nardul: what is your "default codepage" set to? In "Settings > general settings > display > default codepage" ? |
| 19:10:19 | bluebrother | there are a couple of id3 variants around that don't store the used encoding, so in that case you might need to change the "default codepage" setting |
| 19:10:42 | linuxstb | Slasheri: How would that work when audio codecs require contiguous blocks of data? It could mean a lot of memcpying into some kind of guard buffer. |
| 19:10:46 | Slasheri | there just would be a dynamic memory manager used to allocate fixed size chunks from the pool |
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| 19:10:49 | Nico_P | Slasheri: the codec buffer is the biggest memory available ? isn't it the file/main/audio buffer ? |
| 19:10:57 | amiconn | Not that dynamic memory allocation discussion again. please |
| 19:11:06 | Slasheri | linuxstb: indeed, a guard buffer would be necessary |
| 19:11:13 | nardul | bluebrother, OGG vorbis files. Don't know about the tag type though |
| 19:11:16 | nardul | pixelma, One sec |
| 19:11:21 | amiconn | We've been throguh that many times... |
| 19:11:23 | bluebrother | but amiconn is right, rockbox_default has all latin1 characters |
| 19:11:27 | Slasheri | linuxstb: but if chunks are quite big (for example 64 kB), it should be quite efficient |
| 19:11:45 | Slasheri | amiconn :) |
| 19:11:49 | bluebrother | nardul: vorbis comments are always utf8. So if they show up correctly on the pc they also should on the player |
| 19:11:57 | amiconn | Slasheri: Forget that. It won't work for module formats |
| 19:11:58 | Slasheri | Nico_P: codec buffer is the file/main buffer |
| 19:12:00 | nardul | pixelma, isro8859-1 |
| 19:12:00 | linuxstb | Slasheri: But when the inevitable fragmentation happens, you'll end up needing the guard buffer for almost every read... |
| 19:12:26 | nardul | bluebrother, Oh, wait, these are mp3 tags. It's for podcasts. |
| 19:12:29 | amiconn | Mod players need the whole module contiguous, and that can be several MB e.g. in case of IT modules |
| 19:13:25 | nardul | Another question, is it possible to center the writing on the screen, instead of it being top right |
| 19:13:26 | nardul | ? |
| 19:13:35 | bluebrother | what writing? |
| 19:13:43 | bluebrother | in the wps you can center lines. |
| 19:13:43 | nardul | bluebrother, File listing, menu's |
| 19:13:48 | nardul | Not in the wps |
| 19:13:48 | bluebrother | no |
| 19:13:53 | nardul | Okay, thanks |
| 19:14:06 | bluebrother | at least, not without hacking the code ;-) |
| 19:14:11 | nardul | hehe |
| 19:14:16 | nardul | I'm not at that level yet :) |
| 19:14:24 | nardul | Would just look better with it centered. |
| 19:14:43 | Slasheri | linuxstb: hmm, indeed.. of course if buffer is "smart" enough, it would only copy the necessary data to fullfill the request to the guard buffer |
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| 19:15:11 | nardul | bluebrother, You seem to know stuff :) Could you tell me if people are working on the battery usage on ipods? And if they're making progress? |
| 19:15:31 | linuxstb | Slasheri: I don't think you'll be able to convince people dynamic memory is a good idea... ;) |
| 19:15:37 | Slasheri | hehe :) |
| 19:16:33 | bluebrother | nardul: the battery issue has a main problem: there are no public datasheets available for the processor, and no one knows what is causing the battery drain. |
| 19:17:07 | bluebrother | people _are_ interested in solving this issue, but without documentation it's simply guessing around |
| 19:17:25 | nardul | hm, okay. So it'l ta<ke a while i guess. |
| 19:17:31 | bluebrother | and as the processor is a SoC you can't simply measure which chip gets hotter when running Rockbox. |
| 19:18:15 | nardul | Wyhat annoys me if the futility of it. |
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| 19:18:40 | nardul | Wish i'd be able to help, but hey. |
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| 19:26:08 | nls | linuxstb: I can't see any changes in boost percentage with the patch, but that could be that it is too small a difference to spot, however the test_codec score is entirely reproducible I get about 319%realtime with an svn build and 326 with the patch, so if it isn't a bug in test_codec I'd like to commit it... |
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| 19:29:12 | linuxstb | nls: What were the decode percentages with and without the patch on Coldfire? |
| 19:29:38 | pixelma | nardul: should be alright... if the tracks in question are mp3s - what ID3 version do the tags have (I think the rockbox_default.wps displays this information)? Or (and?) are the filenames not showing up correctly? |
| 19:29:50 | linuxstb | nls: It would be useful to understand the reason for it though - maybe it's just gcc generating more efficient code when the variable isn't on the stack... |
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| 19:31:42 | nardul | pixelma, It's not working correctly, so no. But io'll try to figure it out, i think it might be my podcast clinet. |
| 19:32:35 | nls | linuxstb: on my h320 and my vorbis -q4 test track I get an average of 319,2 % realtime with svn and 326,1 % realtime with the patch, and I am not fluent in coldfire assembly so I don't know what gcc does... |
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| 19:34:24 | linuxstb | nls: I'm not fluent in Coldfire either, but for example if the binary size is reduced with your patch, that could imply simpler code. |
| 19:34:35 | linuxstb | nls: I'm compiling your patch now, and will see what it looks like. |
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| 19:40:45 | Lear | nls: patch available somewhere? |
| 19:40:53 | linuxstb | Lear: Just http://pastebin.ca/507521 |
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| 19:42:06 | Lear | Oh, just moving that to iram? Doesn't change code at all, just location of a struct. |
| 19:42:28 | linuxstb | IIUC, it's already in IRAM - on the stack. |
| 19:43:17 | Munsch | hey, guys... you know Nibbler?? |
| 19:43:52 | Lear | True, it should be... |
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| 19:45:28 | jnitetime | anyone here? |
| 19:48:42 | bluebrother | only something more than 100 people, so I'd say, yes. |
| 19:49:03 | a1titude | haha |
| 19:49:41 | bluebrother | hmm. irssi seems to not want to show me the exact count of users online. Well. |
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| 19:50:39 | jnitetime | ok let me rephrase |
| 19:50:44 | jnitetime | anyone here who will talk? |
| 19:51:06 | linuxstb | jnitetime: If you have a question, just ask it... |
| 19:51:43 | nls | Lear: yes, if it is already in iram the test results are rather strange... |
| 19:52:05 | linuxstb | nls: Have you tried removing it from IRAM (i.e. global, but without IBSS_ATTR) ? |
| 19:52:20 | nls | linuxstb: hmm, no, will do |
| 19:53:05 | linuxstb | But I'm guessing that when the struct is global, the individual variables are at fixed locations in RAM. When it's on the stack, you're always calculating an offset. |
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| 19:53:09 | jnitetime | well, i installed RB, and i found that my DRM songs wouldn't play, so i used a program called DRM Dumpster to convert them all to regular AAC files, but they still won't show on RB |
| 19:53:34 | Lear | nls: also, have you run the same test a couple of times, to see how large the variation is? |
| 19:53:45 | linuxstb | What do you mean by "regular AAC" ? |
| 19:53:50 | jnitetime | un protected |
| 19:54:16 | linuxstb | Yes, but what format (e.g. raw AAC, AAC in MP4), what filename extension? |
| 19:54:39 | jnitetime | h/o lemme check |
| 19:54:49 | nls | Lear: yes, doesn't vary more than .3% |
| 19:55:08 | linuxstb | And when you say "won't show on RB" - does that mean they don't appear in the file browser, don't appear in the database, or.... |
| 19:55:11 | jnitetime | m4a |
| 19:55:18 | jnitetime | database |
| 19:55:31 | jnitetime | and i tried updating the database, still nothin |
| 19:55:40 | linuxstb | Do they play from the file browser? |
| 19:56:14 | jnitetime | haven't tried |
| 19:57:26 | jnitetime | where do i get to the file browser? |
| 19:57:53 | linuxstb | Choose "Files" in the main menu. |
| 19:57:54 | markun | jnitetime: it's in the main menu |
| 19:58:24 | jnitetime | i'm at the main menu... i don't see file browser |
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| 19:58:35 | linuxstb | jnitetime: What's the top menu item? |
| 19:58:45 | jnitetime | files, but there's no music in there |
| 19:58:47 | nls | Lear, linuxstb: here are test results with test_codec http://pastebin.ca/507663 |
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| 19:59:04 | linuxstb | jnitetime: You let itunes copy the music? |
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| 19:59:29 | jnitetime | was i not supposed to?' |
| 19:59:52 | markun | jnitetime: you can, but itunes gives you files very strange names |
| 19:59:58 | linuxstb | It's up to you, but if you do, then itunes renames all the files and puts them in a hidden folder called iPod_Control |
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| 20:00:40 | linuxstb | jnitetime: When in the file browser, hold MENU for a second or so until the "quick menu" comes up, then press PLAY until the "Show Files" option changes to "All", then press MENU again. |
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| 20:01:20 | Lear | Had a look at the generated code. Using a static vf frees up a data register (just use a hard coded address rather than a calculated one stored in a reg), and that seems to simplify some calculations quite a bit. Not quite sure why though, and if these calculations are done in the decoder loop... |
| 20:01:31 | Lear | But I'll be away for a little while now... :) |
| 20:01:51 | jnitetime | ok, then go to iPod_Control? |
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| 20:02:17 | linuxstb | Yes, but you'll struggle to identify the songs from the filenames itunes has given them... |
| 20:03:55 | jnitetime | yeah i've encountered the files b4 and just gave up...so...is there a way to access all my music from both Rockbox and the original ipod firmware? |
| 20:04:26 | linuxstb | The database should work - but I never use it, so can't help you with it. |
| 20:05:11 | linuxstb | You could always just copy one track without itunes and test that Rockbox can play it. |
| 20:05:36 | jnitetime | just place it in the iPod's root folder? |
| 20:06:25 | linuxstb | Yes |
| 20:06:39 | linuxstb | Anywhere you can find it again... |
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| 20:07:27 | * | nardul is off to watch weird anime!!! |
| 20:07:29 | nardul | Latesr |
| 20:07:31 | nardul | Laters |
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| 20:08:11 | jnitetime | but i still don't understand why my music isn't showing up in the database |
| 20:10:29 | bluebrother | have you initialized the database? |
| 20:10:40 | bluebrother | plus, have you rebooted after database initialization finished? |
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| 20:14:06 | jnitetime | yes and yes |
| 20:14:12 | Ph1r3ph0x | hi |
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| 20:14:30 | Ph1r3ph0x | i've got a question |
| 20:14:34 | jnitetime | shoot |
| 20:14:44 | Ph1r3ph0x | my rockbox is very slow atm |
| 20:14:51 | Ph1r3ph0x | i have a ipod 5g |
| 20:15:04 | Ph1r3ph0x | is it a bug or is that normal? |
| 20:15:06 | jnitetime | and it's running slowly? are you using an alternative theme? |
| 20:15:14 | Ph1r3ph0x | yes |
| 20:15:27 | Ph1r3ph0x | not the default theme |
| 20:15:35 | bluebrother | which theme? Do you use a current build? |
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| 20:15:42 | bluebrother | and, was it slow in the past too? |
| 20:16:16 | jnitetime | is it slow on the original firmware? |
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| 20:16:52 | Ph1r3ph0x | yes the actual build. Theme X HighBar 1. |
| 20:17:37 | Ph1r3ph0x | i dont know if it had been slow in the past... mhm. Maybe its because of the theme |
| 20:17:44 | Ph1r3ph0x | i'll test ist w8^^ |
| 20:17:51 | Ph1r3ph0x | *it |
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| 20:20:06 | Ph1r3ph0x | mhm |
| 20:20:16 | Ph1r3ph0x | changing the theme makes no difference |
| 20:20:31 | Chrysalid | Is there any way to make the menu items a bit bigger? Using the clickwheel is a bitch when you try to hit the too small options |
| 20:20:41 | jnitetime | ok.. so it's not the theme, test the original firmware |
| 20:20:47 | Chrysalid | I tried to adjust the clickwheel speed from the settings |
| 20:20:52 | Chrysalid | But it didnt quite help |
| 20:21:08 | jnitetime | change the font to a larger size |
| 20:21:13 | XavierGr | amiconn: ping |
| 20:21:18 | a1titude | change the font, I guess, it might mess up your theme, but I actually like the small font |
| 20:21:30 | pixelma | Ph1r3ph0x: are you using equalizer, crossfade or other sound options? |
| 20:21:32 | Chrysalid | well i have ipod nano and the menu items are too nano for me |
| 20:21:44 | Ph1r3ph0x | jnitetime: original firmware?? shell i reset my ipod?? |
| 20:21:59 | Ph1r3ph0x | yes equalizer is enabled ;) |
| 20:22:27 | jnitetime | yes reset the ipod and turn the hold switch on while it is rebooting |
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| 20:24:04 | Ph1r3ph0x | jnitetime: works usual |
| 20:24:37 | Ph1r3ph0x | jnitetime: the original firmware |
| 20:24:49 | jnitetime | hmmm, when did it start running slow? |
| 20:25:26 | Ph1r3ph0x | i dont know, sry |
| 20:25:40 | jnitetime | how is it running slow? lag? |
| 20:25:52 | jnitetime | like delayed response when you click something |
| 20:26:18 | Ph1r3ph0x | but a lot of mp3 are lagging when playing and that's new. |
| 20:26:27 | Ph1r3ph0x | delayed response when you click something −−> yes |
| 20:27:34 | jnitetime | have you installed any plugins or anything of the like? |
| 20:27:41 | Ph1r3ph0x | no |
| 20:28:35 | pixelma | Ph1r3ph0x: maybe try and see what happens when you disable the equalizer. It takes a lot of CPU and might cause the UI to slow down during playback |
| 20:28:55 | Ph1r3ph0x | i'll try |
| 20:29:23 | a1titude | do you know if there is anyone trying to gain batterylife for the pp player chip based devices? |
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| 20:30:09 | jnitetime | haven't heard anything about it |
| 20:30:58 | Ph1r3ph0x | GREAT |
| 20:30:59 | Ph1r3ph0x | ^^ |
| 20:31:05 | Ph1r3ph0x | works fine now |
| 20:31:05 | Ph1r3ph0x | ^^ |
| 20:31:17 | Ph1r3ph0x | thx |
| 20:31:18 | Ph1r3ph0x | =) |
| 20:31:33 | Ph1r3ph0x | i turned off the equalizer |
| 20:31:35 | Ph1r3ph0x | =) |
| 20:31:38 | jnitetime | no prob, what we're here for, even though i didn't actually find the solution |
| 20:31:40 | jnitetime | :0 |
| 20:31:46 | jnitetime | :)* |
| 20:33:38 | jnitetime | well i'm gonna go now, later |
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| 20:34:04 | * | Bagder summons a commit |
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| 20:35:45 | a1titude | how much hardware exeleration is there possable on the pp player? would that effect batterylife in a posative way if it was implemented? (sorry about these wierd questions about batterylife, I'm just kinda intrested about it today... lol) |
| 20:35:52 | a_commit | you called? |
| 20:36:12 | Bagder | :-P |
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| 20:39:05 | nls | Bagder: tweaking the buildsystem? |
| 20:39:20 | Bagder | just adding a new server this time |
| 20:40:14 | Bagder | but experience tells there's often something minor forgotten when a server is added |
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| 20:43:01 | Rincewind | I have a question for the sansa users: What happens when USB is plugged in when the Sansa runs Rockbox? Does it charge? |
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| 20:44:34 | preglow | a1titude: what do you mean with hardware acceleration? |
| 20:45:09 | Bagder | and what do you mean with "the pp player" |
| 20:45:27 | SliMM | i too have a questionfor the devels: why doesn't rockbox play audio files smoothly? |
| 20:45:44 | preglow | it should, and if it isn't, something is wrong |
| 20:45:59 | preglow | like the file requires too much cpu to decode |
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| 20:48:07 | a1titude | portable player chip series |
| 20:48:30 | preglow | do you mean portalplayer? |
| 20:48:53 | Bagder | a1titude: the portalplayer chip has no hardware acceleration |
| 20:48:59 | a1titude | and I know the 5.5 gen ipods has some hardware that was added that increased batterylife for the video (that kinda thing) |
| 20:49:05 | a1titude | and yeah, thats what I ment! :p |
| 20:49:15 | Bagder | that's a separate broadcom chip |
| 20:49:23 | a1titude | ahh |
| 20:51:10 | a1titude | would implementing drivers for that effect batterylife of the ipod or just video playback? |
| 20:52:03 | Bagder | since that chip is involved for all lcd updates, a better understand of it might help overall |
| 20:52:14 | Bagder | but it would mostly be for improving video playback |
| 20:52:37 | a1titude | ahh, thanks. |
| 20:54:12 | preglow | using that chip would probably just decrease battery life anyway |
| 20:54:28 | preglow | but since we know nothing about it, it's hard to say |
| 20:54:45 | Nico_P | Bagder: I have an awesome commit at hand : change "CVS" to "SVN" in one of the docs :) |
| 20:54:51 | Bagder | yay ;-) |
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| 20:55:06 | a1titude | hmm, so is the infomation about it freely avalable or not? |
| 20:55:14 | Bagder | a1titude: it is not |
| 20:55:28 | a1titude | thats annoying... |
| 20:55:28 | Nico_P | Bagder: should I go for it ? |
| 20:55:35 | * | amiconn wonders how long a rockboxdev.sh run will take |
| 20:55:45 | Bagder | Nico_P: please do |
| 20:56:07 | Bagder | amiconn: 20-40 minutes I'd say for all compilers on a decent linux machine |
| 20:56:10 | nls | amiconn: it kind of depends on the speed of the machine and how many compilers you build :-) |
| 20:56:10 | amiconn | Bagder: Btw, when some program needed by the script is misssing, it sometimes fails with odd messages... |
| 20:56:14 | preglow | a1titude: no information at all is public, and yes, that is very annoying |
| 20:56:22 | * | amiconn had that with bzip2 missing |
| 20:56:40 | amiconn | Bagder: Not sure whether this one is 'decent' |
| 20:56:45 | bluebrother | bzip2 missing? /me can't live without bzip2 |
| 20:56:46 | preglow | a distro with no bzip2? |
| 20:56:47 | preglow | that's special |
| 20:56:50 | amiconn | I'm trying to build a text-only debian vm |
| 20:56:51 | Bagder | I should make a list of required tools to check for at start |
| 20:57:01 | bluebrother | SliMM: have you read the FAQ about playback problems? |
| 20:57:27 | amiconn | preglow: debain testing with only the base installed. gcc, make binutils added via aptitude, but didn't even expect bzip2 wouldn't be there |
| 20:57:28 | SliMM | bluebrother: no, i hacen't |
| 20:57:47 | nls | Is it a bug that its' impossible to enter the quickscreen in the menu? |
| 20:57:57 | XavierGr | amiconn: I want to change the way my Ondio boots with USB power, currently it is mapped OFF = USB mode MENU + OFF = normal operation. I want the opposite. do I just change the defines in "firmware/usb.c"? |
| 20:57:58 | SliMM | but the problems started when i updated to a post-devcon build :) |
| 20:58:14 | amiconn | This text-only vm will have samba + the mingw32 sdl packages installed |
| 20:58:15 | bluebrother | have you reset the settings first? |
| 20:58:19 | preglow | amiconn: that is weird, bzip2 is fairly standard these days |
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| 20:59:31 | a1titude | do we know the chip number atall? I'm kinda curious now. lol |
| 20:59:36 | amiconn | It just finished... |
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| 21:00:24 | Bagder | so I'll add a check for gcc bzip2 make |
| 21:00:28 | Bagder | anything else? |
| 21:00:36 | amiconn | wget |
| 21:00:45 | bluebrother | maybe zip for the make zip step? |
| 21:00:50 | Bagder | wget and curl are already checked for |
| 21:00:56 | amiconn | ah |
| 21:01:28 | Bagder | bluebrother: hm, yes but it isn't strictly needed for rockboxdev.sh... |
| 21:01:37 | bluebrother | hmm, right. |
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| 21:01:47 | bluebrother | maybe just add a notice when the script finished then? |
| 21:01:47 | Bagder | oh, but patch is |
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| 21:02:00 | Bagder | (sometimes) |
| 21:02:17 | alfo_ | There is something that I don't understand on the front page and I think it could help me |
| 21:02:41 | alfo_ | "Support for drives with large physical sectors and no support for partial access in the firmware" |
| 21:03:46 | alfo_ | my 30GB with 2048 bytes sectors Ipod 5.5gen looses half its space when I reformat in Fat32 (I got a mac) |
| 21:04:40 | Lear | nls: those code changes only affected how stuff is written to the vf struct; no real difference in the loop. |
| 21:04:51 | Nico_P | Bagder: has the build hung or is it just late ? |
| 21:05:16 | nls | Lear: does it make sense that it decodes 2% faster then? |
| 21:06:00 | Bagder | Nico_P: it hung... |
| 21:06:00 | Lear | nls: Not that I can see... |
| 21:06:27 | nls | Lear: do you have a coldfire taget to test on? |
| 21:06:30 | amiconn | rockboxdev.sh doesn't clean up... |
| 21:06:47 | Lear | I have... Using gcc 4.0.4, btw. |
| 21:06:52 | Bagder | no, I never meant it to |
| 21:06:56 | Bagder | but perhaps I should make it |
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| 21:07:35 | amiconn | Imho it should at least either ask whether it should clean up or inform about the temp stuff |
| 21:07:36 | nls | Lear: can you reproduce the increased performance it may be some quirk in gcc3.6x |
| 21:08:10 | jnitetime | i'm back, and most of my files still won't show |
| 21:08:17 | nls | Bagder: also, rockboxdev.sh doesn't patch the gcc source with the neccesary patch when building for m68k on amd64 |
| 21:08:41 | Bagder | and that is necessary even with gcc 3.4.6? |
| 21:09:02 | Nico_P | Bagder: any idea why it hangs like that sometimes ? |
| 21:09:13 | Bagder | this particular time I do |
| 21:09:25 | Bagder | I just noticed a bug in the script |
| 21:10:16 | nls | Bagder: yes it is needed on gcc-m68k < 4.2 on amd64 |
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| 21:10:57 | Bagder | but only amd64 running 64bit userspace |
| 21:11:05 | nls | yeah |
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| 21:11:34 | Bagder | I want to change how rockboxdev does the patching, so maybe this is a good time |
| 21:12:52 | amiconn | New binutils in debian-unstable... |
| 21:12:55 | amiconn | -7 |
| 21:13:06 | Bagder | tried it? |
| 21:13:11 | amiconn | not yet |
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| 21:22:42 | DerPapst | Nico_P: whlie you're doing "useless commits: i have one for you in /rbutil/sansapatcher/bin2c.c you could change some "ipod2c"'s to "bin2c"'s ;) |
| 21:23:10 | Nico_P | DerPapst: it was an order from Bagder himself :) |
| 21:23:39 | Nico_P | I might have a look though but right now I'm making some dinner for myself |
| 21:23:46 | DerPapst | :) |
| 21:24:08 | DerPapst | Enjoy your meal |
| 21:24:26 | * | DerPapst is haunting some food as well |
| 21:24:33 | Nico_P | thanks |
| 21:24:38 | * | petur just did the dishes ;) |
| 21:24:52 | DerPapst | *hunting |
| 21:25:17 | bluebrother | DerPapst: is it still alive? Or already? |
| 21:25:24 | Lear | nls: Only .2 difference, if I did things correctly... |
| 21:26:01 | nls | Lear: between svn and patched? |
| 21:26:05 | Lear | Yes. |
| 21:26:22 | DerPapst | bluebrother: still ;) |
| 21:26:32 | nls | I posted my test results here http://pastebin.ca/507663 |
| 21:26:50 | nls | I guess there's something strange going on then... |
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| 21:27:18 | Lear | iram vs no iram difference I can understand... |
| 21:27:32 | amiconn | Hmm. configure prints a somewhat strange line when configuring for h120 (and probably others) |
| 21:27:37 | amiconn | 32memory! |
| 21:27:55 | bluebrother | the h120 has 32MiB memory ;-) |
| 21:27:55 | amiconn | It's obvious what it means, but a strange way to write it... |
| 21:28:31 | * | Bagder has a strange feeling that is his fault |
| 21:29:01 | Bagder | yes, a leftover debug output |
| 21:29:19 | a1titude | how do you do that on irc (the "badger has a strange..." thing)? |
| 21:29:30 | Bagder | a1titude: "/me moos" |
| 21:29:47 | * | ender` yawns |
| 21:29:49 | amiconn | Bagder: It's not the right time ;) |
| 21:29:50 | bluebrother | hmm. but why a new prompt when configuring for the video? |
| 21:29:58 | Bagder | :-) |
| 21:30:07 | bluebrother | why not default to 32 MiB and leave the setting for the advanced menu? |
| 21:30:08 | Bagder | bluebrother: for the 32/64 MB build |
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| 21:30:19 | Bagder | now now I already made this ;-) |
| 21:30:24 | * | a1titude is testing |
| 21:30:32 | Bagder | or rather I applied a patch that made it this way |
| 21:30:35 | a1titude | woah, thats neet thanks |
| 21:31:14 | bluebrother | I was just a bit surprised −− the memory size setting for the archos one was moved to the advaned menu iirc some while ago |
| 21:31:21 | * | DerPapst wonders how to do that /me thing as well |
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| 21:32:13 | Lear | nls: I don't have a gcc 3.4.6 build around, so if you could send me a dump of codec_main from vorbis.elf (using m68k-elf-objdump -d) from the two versions, I could take a look at the code. |
| 21:32:37 | amiconn | bluebrother: It's a bit different. The archos requires a hardware mod for 8MB, but the larger videos come with 64MB by default |
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| 21:32:46 | nls | Lear: will do, thanks for investigating :-) |
| 21:32:59 | * | a1titude roflmao at what DerPapst is wondering |
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| 21:33:08 | kkurbjun | oy |
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| 21:34:04 | Lear | nls: Btw, 295% vs 304% on not iram vs iram here. |
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| 21:34:55 | nls | will vorbis.o work, I can't find a vorbis.elf file... |
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| 21:35:57 | nls | ah, was looking in the wrong place, found it |
| 21:35:58 | zobo | Quick question. Is it possible to stop certain files from being indexed by the DB indexer. I have some MP3s that I would like to listen to, but would prefer if they didn't show up in the DB... |
| 21:36:05 | Lear | nls: .elf is better, more debug info. Good. :) |
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| 21:41:44 | XavierGr | strange, my compiled ucl bootloader is only 27.8 kb while the normal one is 156kb (same with the .ajz file). I am sure I don't understand something |
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| 21:42:41 | nls | Lear: http://home.student.uu.se/niwa5341/vorbis.elf-patch.txt and http://home.student.uu.se/niwa5341/vorbis.elf-svn.txt |
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| 21:46:56 | Journey | I just saw super mario bros running on video ipod on youtube. OMG. This rockbox thing is great! |
| 21:47:38 | DerPapst | hehe |
| 21:49:03 | Journey | I thought all I could get were those shitty breakout clones |
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| 21:49:16 | Lear | nls: Hm, code is pretty much identical - as expected, I'd say... |
| 21:49:39 | kkurbjun | I like breakout clones |
| 21:50:10 | Journey | and lame tv series game spinoffs |
| 21:50:43 | kkurbjun | tv series games spinoffs? |
| 21:51:07 | Journey | Lost the game |
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| 21:51:25 | Journey | and crappy puzzlers |
| 21:51:56 | Journey | I can run doom in this! How powerful exactly is the video IPod? |
| 21:52:30 | Journey | I can't believe my uncle gave it away to me after he thought it had broken down since it fell in salt water |
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| 21:53:07 | Journey | a few weeks of rest and bam! it works perfectly |
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| 21:55:20 | kkurbjun | the ipod has 2 80 Mhz cores in it |
| 21:55:24 | kkurbjun | doom only uses 1 |
| 21:55:46 | kkurbjun | I dont' think any plugins use both cores actually |
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| 21:55:55 | DerPapst | mpegplayer does |
| 21:55:57 | linuxstb_ | And it's only running at 75MHz... |
| 21:56:00 | webguest47 | ipodpatcher can't find my ipod - 1st gen, 2gig |
| 21:56:16 | kkurbjun | DerPapst, yes, forgot about that |
| 21:56:26 | Journey | and doom runs emulated at full speed |
| 21:56:27 | DerPapst | 1 gen isn't supported by rockbox. it starts at 3G |
| 21:56:29 | Journey | ? |
| 21:56:45 | desowin | webguest47: 1st gen, you mean nano first gen ? |
| 21:56:45 | Bagder | 1gen mini or nano perhaps? |
| 21:56:49 | kkurbjun | effectively yes, it runs at full speed, it's not emulated |
| 21:56:57 | kkurbjun | it's a full port to rockbox |
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| 21:57:00 | DerPapst | Journey: no sound and 2.5d |
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| 21:57:06 | linuxstb_ | webguest47: Which OS are you using? (Linux, Mac OS X, Windows, ....) |
| 21:57:09 | kkurbjun | doom has sound |
| 21:57:13 | webguest47 | yeah, sorry, 1st gen nano |
| 21:57:14 | kkurbjun | no music |
| 21:57:21 | DerPapst | oh k |
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| 21:57:49 | linuxstb_ | kkurbjun: Second core for the midi playback... ? |
| 21:57:54 | kkurbjun | :) |
| 21:57:58 | desowin | DerPapst: btw. 1gen iPod didn't come in 2gb variant |
| 21:58:01 | kkurbjun | I would like to do that eventually |
| 21:58:08 | kkurbjun | I want to do it on at elast teh gigabeat |
| 21:58:14 | DerPapst | desowin: heh true ;) |
| 21:58:15 | kkurbjun | I need to figure out the overlay stuff though |
| 21:58:25 | kkurbjun | I ran out of space for doom |
| 21:58:31 | XavierGr | amiconn: for your info, I flashed a modded build on my ondio, mainly the only change was the keymaps for the USB power modes. Now I can boot with only holding OFF button but the combo MENU + OFF wont start up the USB mode. |
| 21:58:35 | webguest47 | in the "safely remove hardware" it is recognised as an ipod, it is in disk mode and the .rockbox folder is located at e:\ |
| 21:58:36 | kkurbjun | it's using nearly the full plugin buffer |
| 21:58:56 | XavierGr | well at least I can have USB mode with batteries, else I wouldn't be able to update the firmware again :D |
| 21:59:02 | linuxstb_ | webguest47: Are you logged in as Administrator? (or a user with admin rights) ? |
| 21:59:28 | webguest47 | there are no login profiles (WinME) |
| 21:59:43 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, I can get 40 fps out of the gigabeat in doom, and there's not much done on the arms in terms of optimization either |
| 21:59:55 | linuxstb_ | I don't think ipodpatcher works in WinME - it needs a WinNT kernel |
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| 22:00:04 | kkurbjun | but right now I'm more interested in flash |
| 22:00:17 | webguest47 | you are kidding me... crap |
| 22:00:32 | mpeccorini | linuxstb: isn't there a way to change the firmware without ipodpatcher? |
| 22:00:46 | mpeccorini | I think I read about that somewhere |
| 22:00:50 | webguest47 | can it be done with a live cd of dsl? (damn small linux) |
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| 22:00:55 | DerPapst | ipod_fw perhaps? |
| 22:01:07 | DerPapst | but it requires dd |
| 22:01:10 | XavierGr | hmm now it worked as normal.... |
| 22:01:18 | DerPapst | which requires WinNT too? |
| 22:01:23 | mpeccorini | that doesn't sound like a lot of fun |
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| 22:02:01 | XavierGr | what the hell? now it works like it was before |
| 22:02:08 | webguest47 | what is dd? |
| 22:02:16 | mpeccorini | at least not for me, I hat dd'ing things :p |
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| 22:02:40 | linuxstb_ | webguest47: Yes, a Linux live CD should work. |
| 22:03:13 | webguest47 | ok, now i just need to configure the wireless dongle :( |
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| 22:03:36 | XavierGr | ah found it, short press OFF = USB mode, long press OFF = USB power mode |
| 22:04:20 | webguest47 | windows me = cr*p |
| 22:04:37 | DerPapst | even worse |
| 22:04:44 | mpeccorini | old cr*p |
| 22:04:46 | mpeccorini | :p |
| 22:05:04 | robin0800 | PaulJam's Comment on albumart patch http://pastebin.ca/507905 anyone confirm This And if Confirmed fix? |
| 22:05:13 | desowin | webguest47: so switch to something better, and don't announce that windows me is crap |
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| 22:07:04 | webguest47 | ok thanks and bye, and @desowin: I cant afford to upgrade, and I am in the process of learning how to use damn small linux so there isnt much i can do at the moment |
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| 22:08:31 | webguest09 | Hello. I backed up my H10 5gb a few months ago on my PC. Now that I have lost my fateful H10 5gb and expanding to a H10 20gb, can I just put the backed-up files on my H10? Thanks!! |
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| 22:14:52 | Journey | is the 5.5g IPod video the same as IPod Video 64mb? |
| 22:15:04 | a1titude | no |
| 22:15:11 | a1titude | the 64mb is the 60 and 80gb ipod |
| 22:15:57 | a1titude | for the 30gb ipods you need teh normal build |
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| 22:18:58 | Journey | I have the Ipod video 30g late 2006 |
| 22:19:29 | Journey | that means I download the one that says "IPod Video"? |
| 22:19:43 | Journey | sans the 64MB? |
| 22:19:54 | amiconn | That one will awork on all iPod videos |
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| 22:20:38 | amiconn | The 64MB build will only work on the ones with 64MB RAM, i.e. the 60GB and80GB models. We're not sure about the G5.5 30GB |
| 22:21:04 | Journey | oh ok, then I'll use the normal one |
| 22:21:08 | Journey | thanks |
| 22:21:29 | webguest09 | Can anyone answer my above question? (and instead of expanding, It should be expanded. I got a new H10 20gb). |
| 22:21:48 | TrueJournals | webguest09: What was your question? |
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| 22:23:36 | a1titude | I'm asking a question about batterylife again, :p Is the sorthened batterylife of the ipod just unoptimesed (compaired the official firmware) code or just compleatly unknown? |
| 22:23:51 | Bagder | a1titude: unknown |
| 22:24:40 | a1titude | haha thanks.. I'm kinda batterylife obsessed today, I have know idea why. lol well thanks for putting up with all the questions. |
| 22:25:19 | a1titude | *no idea |
| 22:25:45 | * | a1titude is tpyo obsessed today too, apparently |
| 22:26:20 | webguest09 | H10 20gb, can I just put the backed-up files on my H10? Thanks!! |
| 22:26:32 | TrueJournals | webguest09: Yes |
| 22:26:34 | TrueJournals | Well |
| 22:26:40 | webguest09 | My question was... Hello. I backed up my H10 5gb a few months ago on my PC Now that I have lost my fateful H10 5gb and expanding to a |
| 22:26:49 | TrueJournals | you will need to download a new bootloader (for the 20 GB) if you want to use rockbox |
| 22:27:16 | webguest09 | Sorry...out of order. copying and pasting is more diffucult than it seems |
| 22:27:29 | webguest09 | OK Thanks |
| 22:27:38 | TrueJournals | No problem |
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| 22:30:13 | a1titude | DockPod? (GeoffStokes's Fixed Version) theme for the video ipod isn't displaying the date correctly on my ipod, it says "May dc 14:Mc" |
| 22:31:38 | DerPapst | Read the CustomWPS wiki page and fix that. |
| 22:32:29 | mpeccorini | Can someone tell me how do I get the system date in a plugin please? I've looked for it but haven't found it yet |
| 22:33:58 | amiconn | Bagder: The new debian-unstable binutils no longer crash |
| 22:34:15 | Bagder | nice |
| 22:35:28 | DerPapst | s/debian-unstable/debian-stable ? |
| 22:35:29 | amiconn | Now we need to make build server admins with debian unstable upgrade to -7 |
| 22:36:00 | Bagder | yeps |
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| 22:36:22 | Bagder | DerPapst: nope |
| 22:37:00 | DerPapst | Bagder: ;) </bad_joke> |
| 22:37:29 | Bagder | amiconn: my debian mirrors don't even list the -7 binutils package yet |
| 22:37:35 | Bagder | oh |
| 22:37:38 | Bagder | sorry |
| 22:37:41 | Bagder | I'm just blind |
| 22:38:06 | * | DerPapst hands Bagder some glases |
| 22:38:45 | * | pixelma hands DemPapst another "s" ;) |
| 22:39:00 | * | petur2 hands pixelma an 'r' |
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| 22:39:29 | pixelma | no... that was on purpose |
| 22:39:53 | petur | I guessed so but I wanted to continue the row ;) |
| 22:40:01 | DerPapst | hehe |
| 22:42:13 | pixelma | petur: just doing something for your "actions" count in the IRC statistic? :P |
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| 22:42:58 | w0lfie | hey all |
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| 22:43:46 | w0lfie | i'm wanting to chuck rockbox on my ipod 5th gen 80g, there isn't a specific rockbuild for this. does it come under the ipod video build? |
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| 22:46:10 | DerPapst | later one |
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| 22:46:44 | Bagder | w0lfie: you can/are advised to use the 64mb build |
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| 22:47:38 | petur | pixelma: no, just getting bored with strugling with some network equipment that needs configuring |
| 22:47:52 | w0lfie | Bagder: cheers :) |
| 22:48:31 | petur | (as a side note, I now know how to connect to wireless networks in ubuntu, only a week too late ;) ) |
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| 22:52:43 | a1titude | DerPapst: fixed (I can't test it right now, my ipod is dooin' a battery test) Although I'm just going to cansel that and do it overnight |
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| 22:59:51 | a1titude | can I submit the re-fixed DockPod_Aqua-fixed wps? |
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| 23:03:07 | Journey | ok how do I install the font package after I donwload it? |
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| 23:05:59 | * | Bagder updated IPL's wiki about rockbox on 5.5G |
| 23:07:12 | petur | heh |
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| 23:08:44 | Bagder | IPL seems to have had _one_ commit during the last month... |
| 23:08:54 | a1titude | Recap: There was a bug in DockPod_Aqua-fixed wps, I fixed it, is it worth submitting it to the wiki, I have a user account for the wiki, no permission. should I update the DockPod_Aqua-fixed file with the corrected date display? |
| 23:09:26 | petur | a1titude: give us your wiki name and you'll get write access |
| 23:09:38 | a1titude | DanielBlanche |
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| 23:10:55 | petur | done |
| 23:12:00 | petur | Journey: just unzip it the way you unzipped rockbox |
| 23:14:00 | a1titude | Thanks, what kind of code is this madeup of? haha, I might be a while! lol |
| 23:14:16 | desowin | Bagder: send Colombo (user from rockbox forum) to iPL forums ;-) |
| 23:14:18 | a1titude | (apart from the HTML) |
| 23:14:36 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 23:15:18 | * | amiconn now has a nice 'debbox' |
| 23:15:23 | petur | a1titude: there's a help link on the page you get when editing |
| 23:15:35 | linuxstb | Journey: Exactly the same was as you installed the main rockbox.zip |
| 23:17:30 | a1titude | petur: just replace the location with a new attatched one then? |
| 23:18:19 | petur | yes, and maybe remove the old attachment |
| 23:18:43 | a1titude | ahh got it |
| 23:19:51 | a1titude | done |
| 23:20:17 | a1titude | should I leave credit for the 2nd fix? |
| 23:20:49 | petur | always credit whoever helped |
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| 23:21:25 | a1titude | I'll add my name then. :) |
| 23:21:43 | petur | yes, don't put your name on top ;) |
| 23:22:23 | a1titude | I won't haha |
| 23:23:52 | XavierGr | grr my ondio doesn't want to get unscrewed :( |
| 23:24:18 | a1titude | petur: can we check thats right? |
| 23:24:31 | a1titude | ahh, didn't add info on what I did! :p |
| 23:25:10 | a1titude | Where should I put the info? |
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| 23:27:12 | petur | I would put your comment between his name and yours: "blabla" −− name 1 "blabla" −− name 2 |
| 23:27:15 | Soap | linuxstb: |
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| 23:27:20 | * | Soap has been sick as a dog. |
| 23:27:25 | * | DerPapst discovers the iPL wiki has a new contributor. |
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| 23:31:17 | a1titude | petur: done, can that be checked? |
| 23:32:14 | zamzon | Hi! Does anybody know if rombox.ucl for RecV1 should be generated by the make process in current builds, when Tag Database has been disabled? Is there an error msgs if binary is to big? |
| 23:32:17 | petur | how do you mean, checked? look at the page or at the diff (bottom of the page has '<' symbols between page versions) |
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| 23:33:02 | a1titude | petur: I want to know I didn't do anything wrong, as that was my first time. |
| 23:33:11 | petur | looks fine |
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| 23:33:18 | * | bluebrother notices the same question here as in the forums |
| 23:33:21 | Bagder | zamzon: you need to edit the configure script first, then rerun the script |
| 23:33:36 | Bagder | remove the comment from the line 'archosrom=""#"$pwd/rombox.ucl"' |
| 23:33:45 | Bagder | or rather remove the hash sign |
| 23:33:53 | Bagder | line 619 |
| 23:34:02 | zamzon | OK, thank you I'll have a look.. |
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| 23:34:17 | a1titude | petur: thank you! :) |
| 23:34:31 | Bagder | zamzon: when that is done, you will get an error output if it still is too big |
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| 23:40:26 | Bagder | yeps |
| 23:40:36 | zamzon | Damn. :-) |
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| 23:41:06 | zamzon | Am I able to finde out how many bytes are missing? |
| 23:41:36 | Bagder | yes, the .map file contains that info |
| 23:41:45 | zamzon | Thank you! |
| 23:41:48 | Bagder | even if not perhaps the easiest thing to understand |
| 23:41:49 | saratoga | preglow: i wanted to ask you last night, why does doing a 64x64 multiply make any difference if the inputs are only 32 bit anyway? |
| 23:42:41 | preglow | saratoga: not at all |
| 23:43:00 | preglow | saratoga: we use 32x32 -> 64 bit muls pretty much exclusively in rockbox |
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| 23:43:35 | preglow | saratoga: misread that somewhat, doing a 64x64 bit multiply and a 32x32 gives the same result for 32 bit ops |
| 23:44:16 | preglow | i think the reason arguments are casted to long longs usually is to make the c compiler understand you want a 64 bit result |
| 23:44:16 | saratoga | i tried doing a 32x32 multiply and it actually just crashes the program |
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| 23:44:28 | preglow | i don't know if it's possible to make c produce a long long result from multiplying two longs |
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| 23:44:29 | saratoga | so i assume it must have some purpose |
| 23:44:34 | saratoga | oh |
| 23:44:50 | preglow | any of the c gurus here should answer that |
| 23:45:00 | saratoga | i assumed int_64 var = 32bit1 * 32bit2 did that |
| 23:45:12 | preglow | i think that produces a 32 bit result, then casts it to 64 bir |
| 23:45:13 | preglow | bit |
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| 23:45:17 | saratoga | ha |
| 23:45:19 | preglow | again, verify with c gurus |
| 23:45:21 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:45:21 | saratoga | ok then, makes sense |
| 23:45:30 | saratoga | i'll dissassemble it to make sure |
| 23:45:53 | preglow | yeah |
| 23:46:09 | preglow | 32x32 -> 64 is what we use in rockbox, and we almost always do so via asm, so we don't have that particular problem |
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| 23:50:27 | saratoga | you guys are right, it did a 32 bit mul |
| 23:51:05 | preglow | yup |
| 23:53:36 | saratoga | i want to reuse as much of the existing integer decoding as possible |
| 23:53:49 | saratoga | since a lot of work was already put into it |
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| 23:54:03 | saratoga | how difficult is it going to be to get it to load in a modern version of rockbox? |
| 23:55:18 | bluebrother | saratoga: out of curiousity, what are you working on? |
| 23:55:41 | saratoga | the integer wma decoder |
| 23:55:45 | merbanan | preglow: no word from the fixpoint guy, I pinged him several times |
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| 23:56:07 | saratoga | merbanan: which fixed point guy? |
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| 23:56:16 | bluebrother | ah :) |
| 23:56:35 | saratoga | unfortunately, i only half understand how wma works, so this is slow going |
| 23:56:37 | merbanan | saratoga: the one who did the cook port |
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| 23:56:51 | merbanan | saratoga: what do you need to know |
| 23:56:54 | merbanan | ? |
| 23:57:03 | saratoga | i've seen cook in the ffmpeg source, but don't know what it is |
| 23:57:13 | saratoga | you're familar with wma? |
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| 23:57:15 | merbanan | real audio codec |
| 23:57:24 | merbanan | yes |
| 23:57:28 | saratoga | ok! |
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| 23:57:31 | saratoga | so many questions |
| 23:57:53 | saratoga | what is the relationship between block size and the MDCT transform size |
| 23:58:17 | merbanan | 2 IIRC |
| 23:58:36 | saratoga | i thought MDCTs were either 256 or 2048 samples? |
| 23:58:51 | saratoga | ive seen block sizes of 128, 256, 512, 1024 and 2048 |
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