| 00:00:35 | Llorean | os10: There's no bounty system in place at the moment |
| 00:00:48 | jhMikeS | or...maybe I'm wrong since the button init should be called ?? hmmm |
| 00:00:48 | linuxstb | "at the moment" ? |
| 00:01:02 | Llorean | linuxstb: Well it seems unlikely, but you can't really rule out the future, can you? |
| 00:01:14 | Llorean | I don't think a bounty system would work terribly well here, though |
| 00:01:22 | os10 | ok |
| 00:01:26 | krazykit | sweet, my build works :-D |
| 00:01:44 | krazykit | and i must say, i like the switched buttons on the gigabeat |
| 00:01:47 | jhMikeS | if anyone wants someone rounded up a brought in for randsome, I'm game |
| 00:02:08 | linuxstb | Llorean: Personally I don't like them. Bounties ignore the foundations the person who gets the bounty is building on... |
| 00:02:27 | Llorean | linuxstb: Yeah, that's a pretty significant reason I'm not fond of them either |
| 00:02:43 | Llorean | It's like only giving the gold medal to the last runner on the marathon team. |
| 00:03:57 | os10 | hmm. didn't intend that. more like, the chance to sponsor some features that might not appeal to the majority |
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| 00:05:13 | jhMikeS | Llorean: yes, I guess it is that...right now it's depending on the timer interrupt until this GPIO IRQ is figured out and that's not started there. I suppose a little hackeroo to button_read_device for the BL would work. |
| 00:05:27 | os10 | but if everyone benefits from the extra configurabilty, whiy not..? |
| 00:05:47 | Llorean | jhMikeS: That might be nice. The updated "Do not rescan" bits for the OF require the new bootloader, which then doesn't respond to keypresses (not a necessity in most cases, but still ;)) |
| 00:05:49 | jhMikeS | the scrollwheel is of no consequence there, right? |
| 00:05:54 | Llorean | No consequence at all |
| 00:06:02 | jhMikeS | ok, then it's real simple |
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| 00:07:07 | Llorean | os10: There's often a balancing act in regards to adding features into the core of Rockbox. While plugins are pretty much a shoe-in if they work on all targets, core features often have to overcome several questions relating to how much benefit they offer, vs the binary size increase and overall complexity increase. |
| 00:07:27 | Llorean | os10: This is partially because some older hardware has limitations the new players don't, and partially because it pays in the long run to try to keep things manageable. |
| 00:07:54 | Llorean | That being said, there aren't that many unpopular features that are also likely to get included in SVN Rockbox (in my opinion) |
| 00:08:23 | linuxstb | os10: Do you have any features in mind? |
| 00:08:37 | os10 | undrestood. i'm just... excited about the possibilites that can't seem to be acheived throgh mainstream OEMs. |
| 00:08:47 | Buschel | ok, i will quite now (my wife's complaining since an hour now:) we will see again in the next days |
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| 00:09:39 | linuxstb | os10: Also, I think Rockbox is still going through a major stage of expansion to many different devices - and lots of those ports (e.g. the ipods) are not yet as good as we would wish. |
| 00:09:49 | | Nick midkay_ is now known as midkay (n=midkay@63-226-219-199.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 00:09:59 | Llorean | linuxstb: On the plus side, os10 seems to have tried it on the Gigabeat F, which is pretty solid. |
| 00:10:10 | linuxstb | Indeed it is. |
| 00:10:41 | linuxstb | The Toshiba firmware is still getting in the way, so it will be very nice when Rockbox has a bootloader in flash. |
| 00:10:55 | Llorean | os10: There's no doubt Rockbox offers a lot of possibility. There are some exciting features that may show up by the end of the summer, included better voice functionality for blind users, and maybe even Album Art. |
| 00:12:58 | os10 | for a long time, i held Rio Karma/Carbon firmware as THE stardard. RB is past that, functionally. which is a _huge_ achievement IMO |
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| 00:15:30 | jhMikeS | Llorean: Are buttons supposed to work in the bootloader despite the hold button? |
| 00:15:31 | os10 | Toshiba F40 w/RB is damn near perfect |
| 00:16:42 | Llorean | jhMikeS: No, I don't believe so. |
| 00:19:01 | os10 | LloreanL have you had a chance to handle the Trekstor Vibez..? |
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| 00:25:10 | SliMM | guys |
| 00:25:33 | SliMM | my 5g 30 gb ipood reads from the hdd almost all the time |
| 00:25:50 | SliMM | an i think this causes the playback issues |
| 00:25:54 | SliMM | and* |
| 00:26:11 | SliMM | what should i do? |
| 00:27:44 | Soap | using the most recent current build? |
| 00:28:20 | SliMM | indeed |
| 00:28:38 | Soap | EQ and other sound-shaping options on or off? |
| 00:28:48 | SliMM | it's been doing that for a month or so |
| 00:28:50 | SliMM | eq on |
| 00:29:19 | Soap | does it do it with the EQ off? |
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| 00:29:27 | SliMM | it probably have playback issues due tu the hot weather now |
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| 00:29:51 | SliMM | i don't know, but it shouldn't read from the hdd all the time |
| 00:31:43 | SliMM | it stops playing for a few seconds, it freezes sometimes |
| 00:32:00 | Soap | with the EQ off? |
| 00:32:03 | SliMM | or just skip the current track |
| 00:32:06 | SliMM | no, on |
| 00:32:13 | Soap | and with the EQ off? |
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| 00:32:47 | SliMM | i'll do a test tommorow, butwith eq off it still reads from the hdd all the time |
| 00:32:51 | * | Soap suspects SliMM is using 4 (if not all 5) bands of the EQ and overloading the teeny tiny iPod CPU. |
| 00:33:15 | SliMM | i'm using 5 :) |
| 00:33:36 | Soap | that's your problem. I say that with 95% confidence. |
| 00:33:47 | SliMM | will i have the same problems with hw eq? |
| 00:33:51 | Soap | nope |
| 00:34:19 | SliMM | good, i'll use hw eq then |
| 00:34:22 | SliMM | thanks |
| 00:36:58 | preglow | someone with 5g needs to check out that hw eq once and for all |
| 00:37:04 | preglow | i'd rather just see it become a bass/treble control |
| 00:37:58 | midkay | preglow: what about it? |
| 00:38:11 | preglow | well, right now, it looks like it supports all five bands, no? |
| 00:38:17 | SliMM | what is cuesheet support? |
| 00:38:22 | preglow | while it really just supports lowshelf and highshelf controls |
| 00:38:26 | preglow | SliMM: support for cuesheets |
| 00:38:38 | midkay | preglow: exactly, so.. what do you need to know about it? that's about all there is to know. |
| 00:38:40 | SliMM | cuesheets being what? |
| 00:38:43 | preglow | SliMM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cue_sheet_(computing) |
| 00:38:49 | midkay | the two extremes are all that work, apparently. |
| 00:39:00 | preglow | midkay: well, if the middle ones don't work at all, they shouldn't be there |
| 00:39:05 | midkay | though i'd vote against making it bass/treble, because adjusting the cutoff frequency is useful. |
| 00:39:17 | preglow | there's no point in having something non-functional for all time just in case it might work in theory |
| 00:39:22 | midkay | preglow: ok, i don't see how that requires some investigation by someone with a 5g. :) |
| 00:39:29 | preglow | midkay: we can do that on all the other targets too |
| 00:39:43 | preglow | midkay: i say we choose on of them, and make it a bass/treble control |
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| 00:39:57 | * | midkay votes against.. |
| 00:39:59 | preglow | the fact that we can select cutoff hasn't stopped us on all other targets |
| 00:40:13 | preglow | why should 5g be special? |
| 00:40:16 | SliMM | soap: eq was the problem :P |
| 00:40:21 | midkay | i didn't say that. i don't want to lose that ability is all. |
| 00:40:30 | preglow | well, you never should have had it :> |
| 00:40:36 | midkay | well we should toss bass/treble and introduce a HW EQ for all targets.. or make bass/treble cutoff adjustable. |
| 00:40:42 | midkay | haha. :) |
| 00:41:00 | preglow | i'd just like greater consistence |
| 00:41:08 | preglow | 5g has no bass/treble controls, afaik, yet has a hw eq |
| 00:41:19 | preglow | all other targets with similar hardware is the other way around |
| 00:41:27 | midkay | right, i don't see why we should lose or omit functionality is all. |
| 00:41:39 | preglow | ok, so we should port all other targets to have a hw eq? |
| 00:41:40 | midkay | i vote very strongly against losing my ability - that i already have - to adjust the cutoff. |
| 00:41:45 | midkay | sure, that sounds excellent. |
| 00:41:58 | midkay | or, keep it called bass and treble, but make the cutoff adjustable. same thing. |
| 00:41:58 | preglow | ok enough |
| 00:42:15 | preglow | but we still should adjust the screen as it is, it implies there are controls which don't seem to exist |
| 00:42:30 | midkay | preglow: that makes sense, sure.. it really confused me for a while. :) |
| 00:42:46 | midkay | i only found out on IRC that the three middle filters didn't do anything. |
| 00:42:46 | preglow | i won't do any of this anyway, since i don't have a 5g |
| 00:43:17 | preglow | they are in the docs we have, but the chip in the 5g might not have them, since the doc doesn't match the chip rev exaclt |
| 00:43:20 | preglow | exactly.. |
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| 00:43:30 | midkay | nobody bothered trying? :) |
| 00:48:36 | Soap | iPod is the red-headed stepchild of Rockbox. |
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| 00:48:51 | preglow | i'd rather it be a secret mistress |
| 00:48:56 | preglow | red-headed would still be ok |
| 00:48:57 | Journey | Why is it that I can't hear any sound in doom on rockbox? |
| 00:49:10 | scorche | preglow: partial to redheads? |
| 00:49:24 | preglow | scorche: i'm partial to most women |
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| 00:49:50 | scorche | ah...so the non-partial part would be beer...gotcha |
| 00:50:04 | preglow | which i don't have :/ |
| 00:50:20 | preglow | i was so non-partial towards it, i drank it |
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| 00:50:40 | scorche | well, at least beer is cheaper than women |
| 00:50:53 | preglow | not in norway, heh |
| 00:51:00 | scorche | haha |
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| 00:59:07 | preglow | in socialist norway, beer buy you! |
| 00:59:34 | preglow | i think my humour has regressed to a point where bed would be the only certain cure |
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| 01:00:17 | Soap | or...perhaps more beer? |
| 01:02:36 | scorche | it likely has regressed to the point when you can only be funny when you are full up on ber =) |
| 01:02:50 | scorche | beer even! |
| 01:06:09 | preglow | i have no beer, so the only sane course of action is bed |
| 01:06:09 | preglow | gnite |
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| 01:39:53 | Journey | how come there's no music in doom? I could only enable sounds |
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| 03:21:30 | Journey | can ScummVM run on rockbox? |
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| 03:22:21 | linuxstb | no |
| 03:24:27 | Llorean | And it's rather unlikely for it to be ported. |
| 03:25:25 | saratoga | the problems with the current fixed point wma decoder are strange |
| 03:25:38 | saratoga | gives almost exact results most of the time |
| 03:26:02 | saratoga | then suddenly it'll throw out random crap for 500-1500 samples once and a while, with just a hint of the actual music underneath |
| 03:26:28 | saratoga | it sounds like clipping, but the "clipped" samples are often louder then the correct ones |
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| 03:28:56 | Llorean | saratoga: Is it at least consistent when it throws the random crap? |
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| 03:30:43 | saratoga | it does it everytime, sure |
| 03:30:50 | saratoga | the decoder is deterministic |
| 03:31:01 | saratoga | just theres nothing obviously different about the troubled parts |
| 03:31:32 | saratoga | they can be blocks of any size, the file i'm using has LR stereo only, and its CBR with fixed frame sizes |
| 03:32:21 | saratoga | unless i'm missing something stupid, the troubled parts and the correct parts pass through the same code paths |
| 03:33:50 | Llorean | I'm just wondering, it couldn't be a buffer overflow or anything? I know I'll start with an assumption like "the audio triggers it" and then discover that it was triggered by the amount of data processed so far instead, which would still result in a deterministic location of the glitch. |
| 03:34:39 | saratoga | i don't think so, since I've tried seeking to the middle of the frame, and I still get it |
| 03:34:52 | Llorean | Gotcha |
| 03:35:00 | saratoga | now that i think about it, it may be due to some rounding error |
| 03:35:09 | saratoga | it seems to happen during drum beats |
| 03:35:25 | saratoga | even though its well below peak, maybe it loses the top most bit or something? |
| 03:35:39 | saratoga | ah, i'll dig into this tomorrow |
| 03:35:47 | Llorean | Rest helps. |
| 03:36:58 | jac0b | I am trying to use the album-art plugin but in my theme it has a big patch missing |
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| 03:40:27 | jac0b | http://home.earthlink.net/~jacob.brooks/untitled.jpg here is my problem |
| 03:40:30 | Soap | I am assuming, jac0b, that you are using a build with album art, and that the theme in question has been updated to the current WPS code, and the theme in question does not also use the BMP resize or scroll margins patches, and your album art is properly named and sized? |
| 03:41:07 | Llorean | It looks like it's a scroll margin issue |
| 03:41:28 | jac0b | do I need to turn off the scroll margins |
| 03:41:32 | Soap | if you remove the line with the volume on it - does the blank space go away? |
| 03:42:52 | jac0b | the space gets smaller when I removed the volume |
| 03:43:28 | mirak | hi |
| 03:43:28 | Soap | and the track time line is the other perp. I assume? |
| 03:44:13 | jac0b | yep that was it the volume and time were messing it up |
| 03:46:29 | Soap | narrows down the tags you need to inspect. |
| 03:46:40 | jac0b | thanks |
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| 03:50:42 | jac0b | why does it do that for those 2 tage and not the others like the codec tag? |
| 03:51:41 | Soap | not seeing the code I can't say - but the answer should be in the difference between those lines. |
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| 03:52:48 | summatusmentis | how does rockbox read the music an ipod? does it read iTunesDB? |
| 03:53:00 | Llorean | What exactly do you mean? |
| 03:53:16 | Llorean | For playing music, the most basic method is just opening the file from the disk and playing it. |
| 03:53:35 | Llorean | If you mean "How does Rockbox index the music in its database", Rockbox scans known filetypes and indexes the tags itself, it doesn't do anything with the iTunesDB |
| 03:53:59 | Soap | Apple isn't really that evil when it comes to the iPod and the Apple Firmware's database. The files are simply renamed, all their tags are left attached. |
| 03:54:24 | summatusmentis | Llorean: so rockbox doesn't touch the iTunesDB, and I could just put more music on the iPod via USB mass storage, and rockbox will add it to the DB? |
| 03:54:53 | Llorean | summatusmentis: It'll add it to Rockbox's Database, yep |
| 03:54:57 | Soap | it will add it to _Rockbox's_ database, Apple Firmware won't see it. |
| 03:55:07 | summatusmentis | Soap: right, that's what I'm asking |
| 03:55:46 | Soap | just making sure - there are a lot of implied questions on here at times. |
| 03:55:47 | summatusmentis | so, assuming I want to keep using apple's firmware in addition to rockbox, my best bet is to add to iTunesDB, and rockbox will add it on it's own, correct? |
| 03:56:03 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 03:56:14 | summatusmentis | Soap: I'm sure :-D |
| 03:56:15 | Llorean | Rockbox only automatically indexes new songs if you have "Auto-update" on |
| 03:56:28 | summatusmentis | Llorean: ok, I'll get to that once I get it installed |
| 03:56:44 | Llorean | But you can also just manually choose "Update" when you know you've added songs, as an alternative |
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| 04:17:43 | summatusmentis | ok, so I screwed up installing, and installed the bootloader before the rockbox |
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| 04:17:50 | summatusmentis | and now I can't mount it in linux |
| 04:19:11 | Llorean | Just turn it off, then turn it on and immediately switch on and leave on the hold switch |
| 04:19:17 | Llorean | And read the manual more carefully next time. ;) |
| 04:23:10 | Llorean | summatusmentis: I do have to ask, what prompted you to skip the section for Installing the Firmware? |
| 04:23:23 | Llorean | It seems people like to skip it, and we haven't figured out how to make it more clear that it needs to be done. |
| 04:23:45 | summatusmentis | Llorean: it's doesn't jump out at you |
| 04:24:14 | summatusmentis | you see installation instructions for the bootloader, and it's OS specific, it just makes you think it should be there... |
| 04:24:23 | Llorean | The section called "2.2.3.  Installing the firmware" doesn't suggest that you need to do it when trying to install the firmware? |
| 04:25:05 | Llorean | In fact, in the bootloader installation section it even asks you to make sure a .rockbox folder exists, so you have to skip that step too. |
| 04:25:11 | Llorean | What would you suggest we add? |
| 04:25:15 | summatusmentis | I was scanning, and I didn't really read it |
| 04:25:25 | summatusmentis | I would just make the install more bold, make sure people see it |
| 04:26:08 | scorche | but it is the same as "installing the bootloader"...i dont see why people see that when installing the firmware is right above it in the same text "installing the bootloader is |
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| 04:26:40 | Llorean | Yeah, it's exactly as bold as installing the bootloader, and since you're trying to install an alternative firmware, you'd think "Installing the Firmware" would be the one that gets done most of the time, and "Installing the Bootloader" is the one that might get skipped |
| 04:28:33 | summatusmentis | I don' know.... |
| 04:28:45 | Llorean | Ah well |
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| 04:30:35 | summatusmentis | It works! is there a way to make the fonts larger on the screen? |
| 04:30:42 | Llorean | Yes, pick a larger font |
| 04:31:04 | Llorean | The manual covers installing the fonts extras zip, and how to change fonts. |
| 04:31:10 | Llorean | Though that's a later section. ;) |
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| 04:33:19 | summatusmentis | just say it, rtfm |
| 04:34:06 | scorche | we believe in being slightly nicer =) |
| 04:34:15 | Llorean | But only slightly. Hehehe. |
| 04:34:31 | scorche | indeed |
| 04:34:35 | * | scorche cracks his whip |
| 04:34:46 | summatusmentis | lol |
| 04:37:31 | krazykit | i suppose here, f stands for fine ;-) |
| 04:37:37 | krazykit | that's the "nicer" bit |
| 04:39:48 | krazykit | oh sweet |
| 04:40:10 | krazykit | the sim worked, now i can hack on my theme |
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| 05:22:08 | terinjokes | ping... good (early!) morning! |
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| 05:43:39 | krazykit | heh, wps is much easier than i thought. |
| 05:46:12 | terinjokes | if your decent with image editing, can make some pretty nice ones too... |
| 05:47:04 | krazykit | right now i'm adding album art to an existing one |
| 05:47:12 | krazykit | modifying it some as well |
| 05:47:38 | krazykit | i suck at image editing though. i need to work on my GIMP skills |
| 05:47:44 | terinjokes | ha! i can never get album art to work on my player... |
| 05:48:01 | * | terinjokes snickers at the though of GIMP |
| 05:48:08 | krazykit | well, i just made my own build |
| 05:49:11 | krazykit | hm, the sim seems to render some things a little funny |
| 05:49:52 | terinjokes | what's your distro? |
| 05:49:56 | krazykit | nm, that's an error in my source files :-( |
| 05:50:06 | krazykit | stupid bad eyes not catching it |
| 05:50:09 | * | krazykit runs debian sid |
| 05:54:00 | terinjokes | i'm in the process of diciding between gentoo and osx (on my iBook G4) |
| 05:54:29 | krazykit | ugh, not gentoo, seriously |
| 05:54:34 | krazykit | especially on a g4 |
| 05:54:40 | krazykit | compile times are a bitch |
| 05:54:57 | terinjokes | krazykit: I'm not bother by it... |
| 05:55:21 | krazykit | i switched away from gentoo :-/ |
| 05:55:53 | terinjokes | I can't stand anything besides gentoo (especially that horror of ubuntu) |
| 05:56:18 | terinjokes | i don't understand why people like ubuntu... |
| 05:56:52 | terinjokes | (in the same regards, I don't understand why people want linux on there ipods... rockbox is just so much better) |
| 05:56:55 | krazykit | i'd rather use debian if i was gonna use it |
| 05:57:14 | krazykit | ubuntu is easy, is why people like it. you don't have to tweak or play with stuff |
| 05:58:03 | terinjokes | ubuntu was the opposite of 'easy'.... gentoo was so much easier... |
| 05:59:19 | krazykit | i guess it depends on why you want gentoo. is it the configurability? the bleeding-edge-ability? ricing? |
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| 06:01:18 | terinjokes | in gentoo everything (besides sleep) kinda just worked... and portage is the easiest (and best) package manager i've ever used |
| 06:01:45 | krazykit | you could use freebsd :-P |
| 06:02:38 | terinjokes | on an iBook? |
| 06:02:56 | krazykit | sure |
| 06:03:06 | krazykit | ppc is supported |
| 06:03:14 | Soap | #Rockbox for all on-topic discussion. #Rockbox-community for all off-topic discussion. |
| 06:03:26 | krazykit | fine, fine |
| 06:03:57 | krazykit | terinjokes, to #rockbox-community with this |
| 06:04:38 | scorche | PMs work too |
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| 06:07:22 | terinjokes | sorry Soap, it started as an on-topic discussion of WPS... |
| 06:07:31 | krazykit | that's irc for you |
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| 07:07:18 | krazykit | would it be a horrible idea to increase the WPS cache size? |
| 07:07:39 | Llorean | Well, any memory you spend there is being removed from somewhere else |
| 07:07:44 | Llorean | It's less memory to buffer audio in. |
| 07:08:05 | Llorean | Which means that everyone who doesn't need it increased still loses a little audio buffer despite that, since it's static sized. |
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| 07:08:17 | krazykit | i see. |
| 07:08:27 | krazykit | probably a better idea to lighten the WPS then. |
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| 07:08:42 | Llorean | Generally speaking, if you've run out of the buffer space you're not doing things as efficiently as you can. |
| 07:09:32 | krazykit | probably. i was hoping to add album-art support to an existing theme |
| 07:09:47 | krazykit | but it looks like it'd be easier to make a lighter wps from the ground up |
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| 08:52:42 | Redbreva | Any Sansa users about? If you go to 'Save Theme Settings' - which button is OK/Accept/Save?? |
| 08:54:45 | midkay | couldn't you just try a few different ones? |
| 08:55:36 | Llorean | Redbreva: You may also want to try a long-press of various buttons. |
| 08:56:42 | Redbreva | I have tried loads... so far I have added A, deleted g and cancelled ! - The manual did not help either, not in section 9.3.3 which relates to that menu at least |
| 08:57:59 | Redbreva | Bugger - it's 9 in the sim.... |
| 08:58:28 | midkay | you must not have tried all the buttons. |
| 08:58:40 | Redbreva | True.... |
| 08:59:08 | Redbreva | Life would be easier if all the sims used the same button mapping.... :-( |
| 08:59:15 | midkay | { ACTION_KBD_DONE, BUTTON_UP, BUTTON_NONE }, |
| 08:59:32 | midkay | "up"? |
| 08:59:36 | midkay | did you try that? |
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| 09:00:25 | Redbreva | yep, I have now (9)... just not that intuitive to press UP to accept, but left to cancel I suppose |
| 09:00:50 | midkay | cancel seems to be "power". |
| 09:01:02 | midkay | anyways, i agree that it's not intuitive, but regardless, that's what it is. |
| 09:01:14 | Redbreva | Thanks anyway ;-) |
| 09:01:32 | midkay | sure :) |
| 09:01:48 | Llorean | midkay: On the Sansa, "Up" is the Play/Pause button actually |
| 09:01:53 | Llorean | It's just placed at the top of the wheel |
| 09:02:07 | midkay | i see. |
| 09:02:20 | Llorean | So it's not really "Up" |
| 09:04:48 | midkay | well, i put it in quotations... it says "up" in the file, that's all i can suggest without knowing the sansa keymap. |
| 09:05:11 | Llorean | Yeah, I was more talking in the context of logic |
| 09:05:12 | midkay | if someone told me to press "up" on an iPod without really knowing the keymap, i'd probably assume that if scrolling didn't work, it might be the "menu" button. |
| 09:05:29 | Llorean | While "Up" makes little sense for a confirm button, Play/Pause makes a decent amount of sense |
| 09:05:41 | midkay | oh, i see. |
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| 09:06:31 | Llorean | So I was just trying to explain why I suspected someone picked what, to someone who didn't know the physical keymap, might seem a direction button for the confirmation. :) |
| 09:06:46 | Redbreva | It's the Sims where I have the problems... Play is + on the ipod, but 9 on the Sansa, Menu is . on the ipod, but 1 on the sansa etc... |
| 09:06:50 | midkay | Llorean: thanks, i get it. makes a little more sense. :) |
| 09:06:56 | midkay | yes, quite weird.. |
| 09:07:11 | Llorean | Redbreva: Play is above the wheel on Sansas, below the wheel on iPods |
| 09:07:52 | Llorean | In Jewels, Menu moves upward on the iPods, Play moves upward on the Sansa, and the up button on the cross moves upward on the Gigabeat. |
| 09:08:29 | Llorean | I think there'd be more confusion if you made 9 always be play, than if you tried (somewhat) to line them up with how they're positioned physically (though I'm not sure this is done either) |
| 09:09:38 | amiconn | Why isn't the play/pause button of the Sansa called BUTTON_PLAY in the code? That makes no sense |
| 09:09:59 | Llorean | amiconn: I couldn't begin to guess. |
| 09:10:01 | Redbreva | Sure... I think the sansa keypad mapping is probably more logical than the ipod mapping (again in the sim), but I have got used to the latter! |
| 09:10:25 | Llorean | amiconn: Probably the same reason that the the 'Circle' button on the H10 is called "BUTTON_RIGHT" |
| 09:10:34 | terinjokes | lol |
| 09:11:56 | amiconn | On the Player the play button is also the top one on the 4-button "plate", but still called BUTTON_PLAY. Same goes for the ipod 4G button pad, where Play is at the bottom |
| 09:12:46 | amiconn | Llorean: Left and Right are somewhat special as they are the only buttons existing on all targets. That doesn't mean we cannot break this rule if it's necessary for a target... |
| 09:13:47 | * | amiconn wonders what a circle button is |
| 09:14:01 | Llorean | amiconn: The H10 doesn't really have a Left/Right, but it has those two buttons on the front face that are to either side of the finger slider. |
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| 09:14:29 | Llorean | The one on the right, roughly equivalent to "Select" on other players I believe, is the "Right" button for the H10 |
| 09:14:39 | Llorean | Err, Right/Circle |
| 09:15:17 | amiconn | Do they have some kind of non-generic marking? |
| 09:15:48 | Llorean | As far as I understand, it just has a circle on it |
| 09:15:57 | Llorean | It's used for "Next Track" in Rockbox, so got called "Right" |
| 09:16:02 | Llorean | But in the manual it's referred to as "Select" |
| 09:16:25 | amiconn | And the left one? |
| 09:16:28 | Llorean | No clue |
| 09:16:30 | Llorean | I don't have an H10 |
| 09:16:51 | amiconn | Well, Right duplicates as Select on the Ondio as well |
| 09:16:51 | Llorean | Cancel |
| 09:16:55 | Llorean | With a Left Arrow on it |
| 09:17:04 | Llorean | Hm |
| 09:17:10 | Llorean | There are actual Prev/Next buttons on the H10 too it seems |
| 09:17:16 | amiconn | Okay, then it makes some sense to call them Left and Right |
| 09:17:16 | Llorean | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h10/rockbox-buildch3.html |
| 09:17:37 | amiconn | In the code, I mean |
| 09:18:21 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 09:19:12 | amiconn | But on the Sansa I would call the top and bottom buttons Play and Menu, respectively. |
| 09:19:24 | Llorean | Same here |
| 09:19:25 | amiconn | It's basically the ipod layout mirrored vertically |
| 09:19:34 | Llorean | Of course, it'd also be nice if the bottom button opened the main menu, instead of the context menu |
| 09:19:48 | Llorean | The buttons are a little crazy at the moment on the Sansa |
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| 09:48:33 | pixelma | Llorean, amiconn: it also makes me wonder that for the sansa's scrollwheel the button actions are called "SCROLL_UP/DOWN" in the Code and not "SCROLL_FFWD/REW" like on the Ipods (already mentioned here a while ago) |
| 09:50:38 | webguest08 | is it possible to put videos on the iPod nano with rockbox? |
| 09:51:19 | ptw419 | rockbox for arm platforms only compiles w/ arm-elf-gcc/binutils 2.16 |
| 09:51:20 | ptw419 | ? |
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| 09:55:27 | webguest08 | "<ptw419> rockbox for arm platforms only compiles w/ arm-elf-gcc/binutils 2.16" Was that for me or someone else? |
| 09:55:56 | ptw419 | for whoever was listening and has knowledge on this topic :) |
| 09:56:41 | webguest08 | ok, so it started before i signed then> |
| 09:56:50 | ptw419 | well, I don't know if this is a big deal, but while working on the firmware patcher for the gigabeat S, I noticed that arm-elf-as gave codes that the gigabeat S(or IDA) wouldn't read correctly |
| 09:56:56 | ptw419 | no just started now |
| 09:57:15 | ptw419 | i'm not sure if this is a bug in this version of binutils or w/e |
| 09:58:00 | ptw419 | and i doubt it probably affects any current builds of rockbox b/c i'm sure someone would have brought it up by now. but i guess i just wanted to make someone aware of this |
| 09:59:03 | ptw419 | i tried the current build of gcc/binutils and i got build errors btw |
| 09:59:21 | webguest08 | oh yeah i remembered why i signed in; how do you add songs to the iPod after adding rockbox? |
| 09:59:41 | webguest08 | I added some songs to the F00 folder but they havent showed up :P |
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| 10:01:48 | PaulJam | webguest08: how do you try to access the songs? via filebrowser or via database? |
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| 10:03:00 | webguest08 | database |
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| 10:06:15 | PaulJam | you have to update the database after adding new songs to the player or enable the autoupdate (afaik this requires dircache to be enabled to work). |
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| 10:06:32 | [IDC]Dragon | 'morning |
| 10:07:06 | amiconn | mo0ning ;) |
| 10:07:55 | * | [IDC]Dragon has an OT question, I'm looking for a way to access my mp3 collection from remote |
| 10:08:16 | [IDC]Dragon | somewhat like an FTP server, running under Linux |
| 10:08:22 | scorche | how remote are we talking? |
| 10:08:29 | [IDC]Dragon | internet |
| 10:08:30 | webguest08 | ok i just did that and hit update now also so i'l see what happens |
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| 10:09:06 | scorche | and do you want to access it as in moving/copying/adding, or listening? |
| 10:09:12 | [IDC]Dragon | and give logins to selected people |
| 10:09:21 | scorche | so the first? |
| 10:09:37 | [IDC]Dragon | file copying, but searching and streaming would be a very nice to have |
| 10:09:56 | [IDC]Dragon | and queued downloads |
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| 10:10:23 | [IDC]Dragon | one of the hundreds of file sharing protocols may be suitable |
| 10:10:35 | scorche | well, i have just used FTP for the former, and shoutcast/icecast for the latter |
| 10:11:02 | amiconn | Why not just use a http server with logins? Add ssl if you don't want to have passwords as cleartext over the wire |
| 10:11:42 | [IDC]Dragon | because of the straming and searching part, recursive downloads |
| 10:12:06 | [IDC]Dragon | s/straming/streaming |
| 10:12:23 | webguest08 | thanks <PaulJam> |
| 10:12:24 | amiconn | Searching can be done by a cgi script |
| 10:12:33 | amiconn | Streaming is possible via http |
| 10:13:03 | [IDC]Dragon | and queued downloads at the client side? |
| 10:13:21 | amiconn | Just use a download manager |
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| 10:13:40 | PaulJam | webguest08: btw, there is a manual for rockbox (in case you didn't know) |
| 10:14:06 | [IDC]Dragon | the CGI part is beyond me, are there any canned solutions? |
| 10:14:31 | [IDC]Dragon | how would I do the streaming? |
| 10:14:44 | amiconn | Just hand the http: link to the player program |
| 10:14:56 | * | [IDC]Dragon is glad to have sysadmins in here |
| 10:14:58 | webguest08 | yeah i couldnt find it in the manual, but it was on my moniter for hours yesterday cos i couldnt figure out why i couldnt install it - the reason? WindowsME... |
| 10:15:21 | webguest08 | which was the reason i couldnt update the original firmware too |
| 10:15:23 | amiconn | Of course http streaming is not as reliable as a dedicated streaming protocol, but then mp3 isn't the ideal format for streaming anyway |
| 10:15:44 | [IDC]Dragon | plain IE is too stupid for that, downloads the file and passes it to media player |
| 10:15:51 | amiconn | Shoutcast doesn't do much more than plain http streaming. The only extra is embedding metadata in the stream afaik |
| 10:16:25 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Link->context menu->copy address to clipboard->paste in player program |
| 10:17:25 | amiconn | But you can put the link to the stream in a .pls file (shoutcast playlist) and link that from your webpage |
| 10:17:48 | amiconn | Then the browser will download the .pls and pass it to the configured viewer for .pls |
| 10:18:00 | amiconn | Winamp, Deliplayer, whatever |
| 10:19:12 | [IDC]Dragon | lots of tinkering, I was hoping for a more out-of-the-box solution, since the problem doesn't sound too exotic to me |
| 10:19:39 | JdGordon | hey all |
| 10:19:44 | JdGordon | anyone else not getting FS emails? |
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| 10:34:09 | webguest08 | If I put the iPod video firmware on my nano can I play videos on it? |
| 10:36:27 | [IDC]Dragon | gotty go, cu |
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| 10:36:38 | linuxstb | webguest08: Did you just post that question in the forum? |
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| 10:38:40 | webguest08 | i posted it cos this keeps glitching on me, iv had to close it 3 times and restart and none of my messages came up, sorry |
| 10:39:08 | webguest08 | it hadnt come up (10 minutes after posting) here so i went to the form |
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| 11:20:32 | PaulJam | any mpegplayer experts around? |
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| 11:42:24 | markun | PaulJam: I don't think I'm an expert, but what's the problem? |
| 11:45:24 | PaulJam | to me it seems as if the mpegplayer skips to the next keyframe as soon as the decoding is a few frames behind and the video then runs at ~2 fps until the audio is in sync again. |
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| 11:48:15 | markun | PaulJam: better wait for jhMikeS then |
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| 11:48:42 | PaulJam | and i was wondering if it wouldn't be better if the player would only jump to the next keyframe when the audio is at the position of the keyframe. so the video decoding might have the chance to keep up with the audio before the next keyframe. |
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| 12:01:25 | preglow | amiconn: pong... |
| 12:02:22 | amiconn | Wow, round trip time 15240 seconds... ;) |
| 12:02:44 | amiconn | preglow: What would be needed to figure out the hw eq capabilities on the G5? |
| 12:03:02 | amiconn | Maybe use a frequency sweep, and record the output of the ipod? |
| 12:03:20 | preglow | amiconn: i really don't know, since the docs aren't known to be exact, and retailos isn't sure to be using the hardware either |
| 12:03:43 | preglow | well, you'd hear it if you managed to trigger peaking filters |
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| 12:04:00 | amiconn | I mean when using it in rockbox, so that we can tell for sure whether the peaking filter work or not |
| 12:04:13 | preglow | a sweep would work well, yes |
| 12:04:15 | * | amiconn isn't sure he would hear that |
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| 12:04:33 | preglow | a logarithmic frequency one |
| 12:05:56 | preglow | or a linear one if you're just going to look at the results on a spectrum analyser |
| 12:06:16 | preglow | logarithmic sweeps make it easier to obtain an impulse response to use in modelling, but we don't probably want to do that |
| 12:07:00 | amiconn | Hmm, when using a spectrum analyser, white noise should work too? |
| 12:07:17 | * | amiconn isn't sure whether audacity can do spectrum analysis |
| 12:07:30 | preglow | it can, but it's really crap at it |
| 12:07:43 | preglow | i haven't yet found a Good spectrum analyzer in linux |
| 12:08:44 | preglow | white noise can work, but it's hard to see changes in the amplitude response that are small, due to the random fluctuations in the spectrum |
| 12:10:38 | * | amiconn is running windows |
| 12:11:45 | preglow | cool edit's (now adobe audition...) spectrum analyzer rocks |
| 12:12:07 | amiconn | That one 's not free software... |
| 12:12:57 | preglow | indeed not |
| 12:13:11 | preglow | but free software and audio so far go badly together |
| 12:13:45 | preglow | probably isn't even a demo now that adobe has bought it |
| 12:17:50 | * | amiconn thinks about performing some tests regarding the hw eq on LinusN's G5.5 |
| 12:18:38 | preglow | would be very cool, i don't like the half-assed solution we have now |
| 12:18:52 | preglow | if it only has bass/treble controls, that's what they should be called |
| 12:20:23 | amiconn | The lcd is indeed decent, in that it is readable w/o backlight |
| 12:20:41 | amiconn | Depends a little on the colour scheme though |
| 12:21:20 | amiconn | Maybe we could modify the lcd driver to update the lcd to pure b&w (or just the 8 pure RGB colours) whenever the backlight is off |
| 12:21:37 | preglow | hmm |
| 12:21:45 | amiconn | Meh, now I even think about getting such a beast myself :/ |
| 12:21:46 | preglow | yeah, that might work well |
| 12:21:59 | pixelma | markun: seen http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/7202 ? Somehow I thought you updated the manual as well... |
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| 12:22:30 | n1s | pixelma: he did |
| 12:23:52 | n1s | the reporter is seeing the old button behaviour in rockbox but the new one described in the manual, I asked him to try the latest build a couple of days ago... |
| 12:24:00 | pixelma | ah... now I read your comment ;) |
| 12:25:09 | * | amiconn doesn't like the fingerprint feature of the ipod video though |
| 12:25:24 | preglow | all the ipods come with that now |
| 12:25:51 | preglow | dirt, smudge and fingerprint mode |
| 12:26:07 | crashd | they do get filthy, that's for sure |
| 12:26:12 | amiconn | Except the Nano G2, which has the same nice case as the ipod mini |
| 12:27:01 | preglow | arghg |
| 12:27:06 | preglow | i still want the docs for that hardware! |
| 12:33:35 | Lear | You |
| 12:33:51 | Lear | You've seen the Linux4Nano's work on it, I guess? |
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| 12:39:17 | markun | Lear: I didn't. Do you have a link? |
| 12:40:13 | markun | found the link |
| 12:40:56 | markun | but I don't see any of the work they did |
| 12:41:34 | Lear | A PDf doc is here: http://www.linux4nano.org/drupal/files/hardware_synth.pdf |
| 12:41:50 | Lear | Information about the chips used, and some more... |
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| 12:51:54 | * | amiconn wonders why they're all copying the mistakes from each other |
| 12:52:29 | amiconn | The sdram chip is clearly 256Mbit == 32MB, not 256MB |
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| 12:55:17 | n1s | "This data might be directly stored in the Samsung SOC. We do not have the detailed datasheet of this chip yet" |
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| 12:55:41 | * | n1s wonders when they'll get it... |
| 12:59:11 | jhMikeS | PaulJam: on and off no thanks to my ISP :) |
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| 13:02:14 | markun | jhMikeS: did you see that PaulJam is having problems with mpegplayer skipping too many frames? |
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| 13:02:56 | jhMikeS | markun: no...with what? my experience is that it tends to skip too few when it needs to more. |
| 13:03:40 | markun | check the logs, about 1 hour and 15 minutes ago |
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| 13:06:31 | * | jhMikeS needs someone to check _with OF_ the sanyo chip pin 31 and see if a clock signal is present...if they have an e200 conveniently setup for that |
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| 13:10:53 | * | jhMikeS knows he'll have to solder a probe to the darn thing :P |
| 13:13:19 | jhMikeS | PaulJam: BTW, it does play frames early if it's been late and plays frames at least every 1/2 second if available. if it skipped a I or P frame, it must wait till the next I frame but it has to be really late. If you want good frame skipping on low-power CPUs, make sure you code plenty of B-frames in there as they can be skipped arbitrarily. |
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| 13:23:41 | PaulJam | jhMikeS: ok thanks, i'll have a look at the mencoder manpage to see how to get more b-frames. my current workaround was to force a keyframe every second. |
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| 13:25:23 | jhMikeS | PaulJam: That's ok to do but you might only have I (key) and P. |
| 13:25:48 | pixelma | Lear: pity the decreases/increases of binary size due to your commit isn't the other way round... |
| 13:26:23 | Lear | For rombox, you mean? |
| 13:26:43 | crashd | i can't imagine it's great, but has anyone done battery tests on rockbox on the ipod 5g playing vids |
| 13:26:44 | preglow | never trust anyway who thinks the plural of scenario if scenarii |
| 13:26:46 | preglow | is |
| 13:27:47 | PaulJam | jhMikeS: do you know how to check the file? virtualdub gives me an error. propably because the file is encoded at 12 fps. |
| 13:27:59 | pixelma | Lear: in general - just wondering why the differences are this great |
| 13:28:17 | pixelma | err... big |
| 13:28:39 | preglow | these people plan all of kind of fancy-ass stuff like monitoring cpu heat and the lcd bus |
| 13:28:45 | preglow | why don't they just bloody dump the flash contents? |
| 13:29:28 | jhMikeS | PaulJam: not offhand except for adding a dump to mpegplayer during playback :\ |
| 13:31:14 | Lear | At least for the player, the bookmark display code was much smaller and simpler. Don't really understand why the code is bigger for the rest of the archoses... |
| 13:32:39 | crashd | p |
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| 13:37:30 | pixelma | Bagder: in the delta table the data for the rec build is missing - looks like it has something to do with the new build server |
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| 13:42:05 | emacsen | Hey, anyone here written a Rockbox plugin? |
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| 13:55:20 | n1s | Lear: I think you forgot to change LANG_BOOKMARK_SELECT_INDEX_TEXT to VOICE_BOOKMARK_SELECT_INDEX_TEXT and the same for _TIME in bookmark.c because you marked these strings as deprecated... |
| 13:55:46 | desowin | emacsen: if you need help ask particular question |
| 13:55:57 | PaulJam | jhMikeS: thank you, the trick with the b-frames seemed to have worked. |
| 13:56:45 | emacsen | desowin, well I'm thinking of what it would take to write something that would be a lot like the current UI but more focused on podcasts |
| 13:57:16 | emacsen | so it'd offer the ability to delete things you've heard, and automatically bookmark and return to media you break out of |
| 13:57:51 | Lear | n1s: It appears so, yes. Thanks for noticing. |
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| 14:18:59 | sneakums | emacsen: rockbox can automatically save bookmarks already, i believe |
| 14:20:42 | amiconn | Lear: Strange deltas... saving space on coldfire, almost indifferent on arm, and increasing size on SH (which has the most compact code in general) |
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| 14:23:32 | amiconn | Maybe it has something to do with the number of parameters to functions. |
| 14:24:09 | amiconn | On the SH (and also on arm) it pays off to have at max 4 parameters, as then those archs can use regparms |
| 14:24:22 | amiconn | Didn't check out the code yet... |
| 14:25:17 | * | amiconn remembers the 700+ bytes on SH due to Slasheri's endianess stuff, which was mostly because of exceeding 4 parameters for a number of functions |
| 14:31:15 | Lear | Not many (new) calls to > 4 param functions, so it ought to be something different... |
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| 14:53:56 | AceNik | hey uys have you noticied this , "keep crossfade on to always, fade-out to "12", fade mode "mix", fade-in "0" ", then try playing a track & change 3 tracks or so continous, this causes some sounds to come , & music playback is changed to these noises, it hurts, then only becomes fine by shutting down player & restarting |
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| 14:54:45 | n1s | AceNik: does it happend every time you try it? |
| 14:55:51 | AceNik | everytime , i figure whenever the processor is occupied fully , it occurs , cause this happens even when the playr starts & the disk is being read , & if you press the play button then try changing tracks , it occurs |
| 14:55:59 | AceNik | should i pot a bug report |
| 14:56:07 | AceNik | if yes under what topic? |
| 14:56:36 | n1s | AceNik: I think there's one but maybe you should add a description of how to reproduce it... |
| 14:57:49 | AceNik | well im checking the bgs by searching crossfade , playback cant find any |
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| 14:58:28 | n1s | AceNik: I din't find any either so please post a new bug with as much details as possible |
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| 15:01:27 | AceNik | k ill do that |
| 15:01:32 | AceNik | wait 2 minutes |
| 15:01:56 | AceNik | nls: what player do you use |
| 15:02:04 | n1s | AceNik: h300 |
| 15:02:33 | AceNik | nls:how do i be sure this will occur on other players,since if it is a CPU issue this wont reproduce, i have a H10 [20GB] |
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| 15:03:23 | n1s | well, you can't if nobody tests on othe rdevices, but I can test for you |
| 15:03:42 | AceNik | can you try it now ont he H300 |
| 15:04:02 | AceNik | so if i am posting a bug shoul i limit it to the H10 or keep it open |
| 15:08:22 | n1s | AceNik: I can't reproduce it on my player, set it to h10 for now, we can change that if we find out that it affects other targets |
| 15:08:41 | AceNik | ok thanks for testing making a bug |
| 15:08:57 | AceNik | adressign it to playback with crossfade |
| 15:09:13 | n1s | btw if i change tracks fast enough so that it would be crossfading 3 tracks at the same time I get a regular skip without fade |
| 15:10:58 | AceNik | well thats what i expected , since the h300 is better tuned with the processor |
| 15:11:20 | AceNik | do you have features like directory cache, load DB to ram also on? |
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| 15:12:33 | AceNik | NLS:forget this for the monet im posting a bug, but i had a suggestion for a way to save battery on rockbox |
| 15:13:11 | n1s | AceNik: nope, no dircache, no database |
| 15:13:44 | AceNik | well gimme 2 minutes, just making the bug list , should i attach my settings file there, just incase ppl wnat to use that |
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| 15:14:23 | n1s | AceNik: yes that is a good idea |
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| 15:30:13 | AceNik | nls try this: crossfade: always |
| 15:30:13 | AceNik | crossfade fade in delay: 0 |
| 15:30:13 | AceNik | crossfade fade out delay: 0 |
| 15:30:13 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK AceNik |
| 15:30:13 | AceNik | crossfade fade in duration: 0 |
| 15:30:13 | AceNik | crossfade fade out duration: 12 |
| 15:30:15 | AceNik | crossfade fade out mode: mix |
| 15:31:09 | n1s | AceNik: those are the exact settings I tested with before |
| 15:31:46 | AceNik | nls: ok i thought i said fade out delay , cause thats 0, duration is 12 |
| 15:33:11 | AceNik | nls: FS #7214 - Playback With Crossfade & Startup Glitchy |
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| 15:35:40 | n1s | AceNik: looks good, let's hope someone takes a look at it and finds a solution |
| 15:36:13 | AceNik | n1s:yup lets hope that soon |
| 15:36:49 | AceNik | n1s: also whoever is intereste din this , i have thought of a way for the battery life to somewhat improve on rockbox |
| 15:38:32 | AceNik | N1s: you there |
| 15:38:44 | n1s | yep, what's your idea |
| 15:38:55 | Domonoky | AceNik: battery life is only bad on ipods and similar players.. |
| 15:39:14 | n1s | Yeah but it's always good to improve it |
| 15:40:53 | AceNik | well you know we have load DB to ram, Dircache,update DB tracks, & other stuff that happens on startup each time |
| 15:41:23 | AceNik | so when these thin occur they do take 2 minutes to happen & finish & let the player settle down |
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| 15:41:57 | AceNik | so i was thinkin if rockbox could have 2 modes in startup |
| 15:43:19 | AceNik | where the first one is where these functions do take place to do the need ful , but once they stored their data to be used by the player somewhere , the second time when a user shuts down the player it goes into a semi state n starts in 2 seconds, & ready with the needed data |
| 15:43:34 | AceNik | so it doesn't calculate the stuff neede again |
| 15:44:20 | n1s | AceNik: ah, you want a sleep mode |
| 15:44:22 | AceNik | & thus if a user feels he has updated his music collection or added any new data on his DAP he can select that his next startup be the original one , & things can be refreshed aain |
| 15:44:38 | AceNik | kind of a sleep mode if you call it that way |
| 15:45:06 | Domonoky | AceNik: disable auto-update of the db and update manually, that does the same :-) |
| 15:45:15 | n1s | AceNik: dircache however has to be updated whenever the disk has been changed... |
| 15:46:11 | AceNik | Domonoky:n1s: both of these functions are just a part of the data processed, the bootloader itself does a lot of calulation n processing |
| 15:46:51 | AceNik | i was thinking if this data could be stored in ome place n if a state be created by the player to start up at |
| 15:46:53 | Domonoky | AceNik: thats not true.. the bootloader does onyl minimal initalisation.. |
| 15:47:00 | n1s | AceNik: I agree, a sleep mode could be useful to lot's of people |
| 15:47:24 | n1s | Domonoky: but on many of the newer targets startup is pretty slow |
| 15:47:34 | AceNik | Domonoky: well think of it does you player start in exactly 1 second |
| 15:47:56 | AceNik | Domonoky: if no it does some processing which is also consuming battery |
| 15:47:56 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 15:47:56 | * | n1s whishes someone made rombox for h300... |
| 15:48:00 | Domonoky | on most players the OF loader tkaes the most time.. |
| 15:48:17 | AceNik | Domonoky: i mean this mostly also for the ipods n h10 which suffer with poor battery |
| 15:48:35 | AceNik | Domonoky: Of is no where associated with this |
| 15:48:37 | Domonoky | AceNik: a sleep mode would waste battery, not save.. |
| 15:49:08 | Domonoky | AceNik: the OF loader normally loads the rockbox loader, whitch in turn loads rockbox ( on most players) |
| 15:50:27 | Domonoky | and if you flash a h1x0 or an archos player, it will start in 1-2 secondes.. :-) |
| 15:50:49 | AceNik | Domonoky: im refering to mostly the ipods n irivers |
| 15:50:55 | PaulJam | AceNik: afaik what you suggest is already the case where it is possible. for example on h100 when the firmware is in flash the dircache doesn't get rescanned if no usbconnection was established, but when there is still the possibility to boot the OF and modify files there then has to rescan the files on every boot (because it isn't aware if the OF was started). |
| 15:51:01 | n1s | Domonoky: yeah but this is a pretty frequently requested thing and would get around both slow of loaders and dircache scanning takin time, I do however agree that it will not likely save battery unless users power on and off their players frequently |
| 15:52:29 | Domonoky | i dont think the rockbox people would like a sleep mode, it wastes battery, better optimise the loading process, and/ or figure out to how to flash a firmware in those players |
| 15:52:59 | AceNik | PaulJam: i know thats the dircache works on all players, but the question here is can we get around to making this happen where the user selects the mode to start up in , |
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| 15:53:50 | AceNik | Domonoky: ok then lets make the start up smarter, |
| 15:54:08 | AceNik | but for that all the other processes like dircache, DB need to be made smarter |
| 15:54:13 | n1s | Domonoky: I agree that that should be the long-term goal but we are pretty far away on anything except coldfire targets and the old archoses |
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| 15:55:06 | Domonoky | AceNik: dircache can load the cache from harddisk, but it only does it, when it can be shure that no modification of the filesystem could happen.. (so only possible on h1x0 flashed with rockbox) |
| 15:55:25 | AceNik | like once the player shut, allt he data calculated with dircache , DB loaded to RAM everythin is lost , can we make it possible to preserve it & then reuset hat data itslef, so that even if the Dircache is off, that same data is used without being processed again |
| 15:55:46 | Domonoky | it would be very bad if the dircache differs form the actual harddisk content.. |
| 15:55:57 | n1s | AceNik: well it needs to be sure that it is correct |
| 15:56:24 | n1s | but with rombox we get around these issues in a nice way |
| 15:56:38 | Domonoky | a wrong dircache could give dataloss, so you have to be very shure, its correct .. |
| 15:56:44 | justthisguy | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_can_I_charge_the_iPod_via_US <−− I'm using an ipd 2g mini, and this doesn't seem to work. Can anyone help? I'm using rockbox 13373-070512 |
| 15:56:52 | PaulJam | AceNik: but if the user has the choice of the startup mode, what would happen if he accidently starts in the i_haven't_modified_files-mode when he has actually modified files? |
| 15:56:59 | AceNik | Domonoky: it also happens on the H10, when the usb is made it updates, but the point here is can it be sure of reusing the data is calculated earlier, thats y i suggested a sleep mode, where if data has been added the player knows a usb was amde & it starts up normal , otherwise it starts up int he state it was closed in |
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| 15:57:13 | Domonoky | nls: its not rombox, witch solves this, its the flashing of rockbox.. |
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| 15:57:32 | AceNik | n1s: rombox is going obslique as discussed at devcon2007 |
| 15:57:51 | n1s | Domonoky: yeah, right, confused flashed rockbox with rombox, sorry |
| 15:58:03 | AceNik | justthisguy: keep the menu button pressed while inserting usb |
| 15:58:08 | n1s | AceNik: well, rombox IS available for h100 |
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| 15:58:15 | justthisguy | AceNik: I am. |
| 15:58:34 | Domonoky | rombox, is the rockbox variant where rockbox is executed directly from flash.. not copyed to ram.. ( to save ram) |
| 15:59:10 | Domonoky | AceNik: you cant be shure if the user didnt start the OF firmware.. and the the dircache would be corrupt.. |
| 15:59:22 | AceNik | anyone know formatting codes i by mistake have underline coming in my text |
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| 16:00:34 | AceNik | well thats y im saying there be 2 modes where the user decides what to start with , once he starts his player & shuts it ,before shuting down he decides whether he would like a normalstartup |
| 16:00:58 | webguest12 | Hey, I need help. Help of any kind will be greatly appreaciated. Why has the Rockbox interface changed? And why when I installed the new Rockbox the WPS theme is set to the default black and white one? |
| 16:01:24 | AceNik | & i also suggest if all the data requires the the rockbox firmweare be there somewhr ina temporary place on the disk which it uses to exeute in the sleep mode |
| 16:01:35 | Slasheri | rombox/"rambox" for iriver does exactly that.. it preserves dircache&tagcache (hibernates them on disk) |
| 16:01:43 | justthisguy | anyone? |
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| 16:02:35 | AceNik | Slasheri: but the point is integration into the rockbox itself , whichneeds to be possible , the iriver h10 Of has it , can we learn from those codes |
| 16:02:36 | Domonoky | webguest12: perhaps you deleted your config ? or you updatede from a very old build.. |
| 16:03:09 | webguest12 | but.. i just downloaded the theme. |
| 16:03:19 | Domonoky | AceNik: i dont think the work needed for a sleep mode, would be worth it, but if you like you could code it of course :-) |
| 16:03:20 | stripwax | webguest12 : - or maybe the WPS theme you're using no longer works with the latest rockbox. |
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| 16:03:39 | stripwax | webguest12 : - does that WPS work on the simulator? |
| 16:03:53 | webguest12 | so erm.. how do i identify which themes are compatible with the latest rockbox? |
| 16:03:59 | PaulJam | webguest12: the new wps parser is more strict concerning syntax errors in the wps and loads the default one if there is an error |
| 16:04:19 | AceNik | webguest12:during recent changes to the WPS parser all the wps's have beeen affected so please open up the .wps files in an editor & if you c a space between any conditionals omit it , like it should be %?ia<> & not %?ia <> |
| 16:04:30 | stripwax | webguest12 : - try them ;-) |
| 16:04:47 | stripwax | if you run the simulator, it should output error messages if the wps doesn't parse |
| 16:04:54 | AceNik | webguest12:omit spaces in the conditionals |
| 16:04:55 | webguest12 | oh |
| 16:05:08 | stripwax | webguest12 : - which WPS, could you point us to it? |
| 16:05:09 | Slasheri | AceNik: correct bootloader is the key that it can detect changes to the disk, there is no magic |
| 16:05:21 | AceNik | Domonoky: if i was of that brilliance in programming a code i would have left a patch already |
| 16:05:31 | webguest12 | thanks for the help. i'll go try that now |
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| 16:06:35 | AceNik | Slasheri:the thing is not only the dircache , its even the bootloader processing , if there could be a state where it has already gained access to the disk & saved all it processed data somewhere & starts up from there again |
| 16:06:37 | stripwax | Nico_P did you get any stats on how much more efficient the tokenised wps display code is compared to the old code? |
| 16:06:53 | Nico_P | stripwax: do, I didn't |
| 16:06:57 | Nico_P | err, no |
| 16:07:17 | stripwax | ok |
| 16:08:03 | Domonoky | AceNik: i dont think you took a look at the bootloader, thats wrong, the bootloader is normaly very minimal.. |
| 16:08:25 | PaulJam | btw, is there a compiled windows binary of the standalone checkwps tool available somewhere? |
| 16:10:42 | Nico_P | PaulJam: there is one as a patch |
| 16:11:14 | Nico_P | FS #7179 |
| 16:11:35 | Nico_P | not sure it works under windows though, but I don't see a resaon why it shouldn't |
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| 16:12:23 | webguest12 | I omitted all the spaces and the problem still persists. Any other way to solve the problem? |
| 16:12:35 | PaulJam | yes, i know. but it would be nice if there would be a compiled version available, so people who experience problems with their wps can use it without learning how to compile. |
| 16:12:46 | Nico_P | webguest12: try the WPS in the sim |
| 16:12:49 | AceNik | webguest12: which theme is it ? |
| 16:12:54 | webguest12 | black glass |
| 16:12:56 | AceNik | send me the file if you wnat |
| 16:13:05 | Nico_P | webguest12: on an SVN build ? |
| 16:13:21 | webguest12 | err, whats that? =x |
| 16:13:30 | stripwax | webgues12 - doesn't black glass require a patched build? |
| 16:13:42 | webguest12 | by chris banes |
| 16:13:42 | Nico_P | PaulJam: sorry, I read your question too quickly... there's no windows compiled version that I know of |
| 16:13:56 | stripwax | webguest12 : - we don't really support patched builds... |
| 16:14:05 | stripwax | Nico_P - lemme build one for ya |
| 16:14:21 | Nico_P | stripwax: it's for PaulJam :) |
| 16:14:37 | stripwax | ^ to PaulJam too :) |
| 16:14:40 | webguest12 | so, err.. what can i do now? |
| 16:14:55 | Nico_P | I'm on linux and I can compile ;) |
| 16:15:16 | stripwax | webguest12 - ask chris banes why that wps doesn't work? |
| 16:15:34 | stripwax | webguest12 - (or ask in the thread for the senab build) |
| 16:15:38 | Nico_P | webguest12: other suggestion : fiund a WPS that works |
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| 16:15:57 | PaulJam | stripwax: don't need it myself. |
| 16:15:58 | Nico_P | webguest12: but another thing you can check is that there are no album art tags |
| 16:16:17 | Nico_P | webguest12: unless you're using an unofficial build that supports album art |
| 16:16:25 | webguest12 | i dont even have album art. |
| 16:16:30 | stripwax | Nico_P - senab build supports album art btw.. |
| 16:16:50 | Nico_P | webguest12: that's not the point... does the WPS have it ? does the build have it ? |
| 16:16:55 | webguest12 | so, erm. anyone here knows any problem-free rockbox theme? |
| 16:16:59 | stripwax | webgues12 - could you point us to the wps you're using |
| 16:17:08 | webguest12 | i dont think so |
| 16:17:14 | stripwax | webguest12 - the wps gallery on the rockbox wiki should contain wps that work |
| 16:17:28 | stripwax | webguest12 - where did you download black glass from? just tell us .. |
| 16:17:30 | webguest12 | ok |
| 16:17:33 | webguest12 | thanks for the help all |
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| 16:18:16 | justthisguy | strange. If I plug the cable into the ipod first, and then into the computer, it seems to work, but not the other way round. $B"L(B.$B"L(B |
| 16:19:03 | * | stripwax is confused, but oh well |
| 16:21:09 | stripwax | why can the iriver port power off the hdd but the ipod port can't? is it just that we don't know how to do that yet? |
| 16:23:27 | justthisguy | stripwax: probably, it'll just be different hardware and stuff |
| 16:23:41 | justthisguy | anyway, I thought I saw an option for harddisk spindown |
| 16:23:45 | webguest12 | finally, the WPS works! THANKS GUYS. |
| 16:24:11 | stripwax | webguest12 - what did you need to do to get it to work. |
| 16:24:27 | webguest12 | i realised that the album art version needed a patched build |
| 16:24:29 | justthisguy | yeah. Is spindown not the same thing as poweroff? |
| 16:24:37 | webguest12 | i used the non album art version and it worked. (: |
| 16:24:44 | stripwax | webguest12 - yep, makes sense :-D |
| 16:24:52 | webguest12 | lol =D |
| 16:24:58 | stripwax | although if you're using chris banes build it already has album art o_O? |
| 16:25:25 | stripwax | justthisguy - no, spindown is just 'standby' and the hdd still draws power, poweroff is 'off' |
| 16:25:34 | justthisguy | ok |
| 16:26:13 | webguest12 | erm, another question. besides the database, how is the updated rockbox better than the previous version? |
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| 16:26:29 | stripwax | webguest12 - depends when your previous version was? :-) |
| 16:26:53 | PaulJam | webguest12: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges |
| 16:27:11 | webguest12 | oh. thanks. that makes things so much easier :D |
| 16:27:24 | stripwax | PaulJam - oh, nice link - I never new about that |
| 16:30:05 | webguest12 | gee, rockbox sure has changed alot. unlike ipodlinux, which hardly changes. :/ |
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| 16:41:36 | stripwax | www.beermex.com/checkwps.exe |
| 16:41:53 | stripwax | it's a cygwin build so might need cygwin1.dll |
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| 16:49:33 | stripwax | PaulJam ^ - someone wanted that? |
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| 16:57:30 | jac0b | I am trying to build a simulator but it looks like the fmradio patch for the sansa is giving a error |
| 16:57:47 | jac0b | does anyone have a workaround |
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| 17:02:54 | jac0b | jdgordon: did you look at the .mi4 to prevent the database refresh |
| 17:03:58 | JdGordon | havnt had time |
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| 17:06:40 | PaulJam | hmm, strange. the checkwps tool doesn't seem to work correctly. the only line it complained about was "%?xc<%xdG|>" after i removed it it showed "WPS parsed OK" even thougt the wps still contains scrolling margins and album art tags. |
| 17:07:23 | webguest92 | hey guys |
| 17:07:53 | Nico_P | PaulJam: what does the sim say on this WPS ? |
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| 17:08:55 | VPN-User | hello all |
| 17:09:43 | Nico_P | hi |
| 17:12:51 | PaulJam | Nico_P: i don't know, i'm currently on windows and the uisim for windows doesn't output anything on the console. |
| 17:13:01 | Nico_P | ah |
| 17:13:37 | Nico_P | if the checkwps tool was compiled from a patched build, it would explain why it doesn't complain about scrolling margins and AA |
| 17:14:15 | Nico_P | other than that I don't know... it's compiled from the WPS source code, so it should behave exactly like the sim |
| 17:14:24 | VPN-User | I downloaded a recet nightly build a few days ago for my recorder v1. There battery charging bug still has not been solved yet? |
| 17:14:27 | VPN-User | wtf |
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| 17:15:42 | PaulJam | Nico_P: i used the binary that stripwax posted earlier. i'll build one later myself from a clean source and test. |
| 17:16:19 | VPN-User | My recorder charges for about ten minutes |
| 17:16:26 | VPN-User | then it changes to trickle charge |
| 17:16:44 | VPN-User | from 5% to 60% is only a matter of 2-3 minutes |
| 17:17:04 | VPN-User | runtime from 100% down is only about an hour |
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| 17:17:23 | VPN-User | I remember times of over 15h of playtime with stock firmware... |
| 17:20:00 | VPN-User | Does no one else has this problem?!? |
| 17:20:10 | jac0b | I am getting a error while the sim is building for the sansa |
| 17:20:13 | jac0b | fmradio.c: In function `tuner_init': |
| 17:20:13 | jac0b | fmradio.c:82: error: parse error at end of input |
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| 17:25:54 | VPN-User | Would be ROLOing the stock firmware solve the charge problem? |
| 17:26:45 | VPN-User | Just downloaded v1.27d stock firmware from archos.com |
| 17:29:42 | VPN-User | 100 ppl in here and no one knows anything about it? |
| 17:30:10 | VPN-User | damn |
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| 19:18:16 | aerach | Hi i've just updated rockbox on my ipod 5g 30gb and now whenever I try to play a file it says data abort. I was wondering if anyone can help? |
| 19:18:59 | PaulJam | aerach: i think this happens with an outdated bootloader. |
| 19:19:59 | aerach | Thanks I'll give that a go |
| 19:20:46 | PaulJam | Nico_P: i have now built the checkwps tool from a clean source and now it works as expected. so it seems that the previously posted one was built with album art and margins. |
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| 19:26:54 | Nico_P | PaulJam: nice to hear :) |
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| 19:29:55 | stripwax | PaulJam - I built it too, did mine not work for you? |
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| 19:30:40 | stripwax | ah, right, I see what you mean. My local build had both those patches |
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| 19:50:50 | PaulJam | TheGooman: you shouldn't do such things in the chat window. |
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| 19:51:13 | TheGooman | oops ^.^;; |
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| 20:06:39 | PaulJam | little question about the bookmark feature. whhen i create a bookmark in the h300 uisim it shows a splash with "Bookmark Failed!" but the bookmark appears in the recent bookmarks menu. why does it show that it failed? |
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| 20:07:27 | JerryLange | can i delete everything off my ipod? (ie: calanders, contacts, ipod_control and the notes folders? |
| 20:07:28 | preglow | because the bookmark code is old and grumpy |
| 20:07:33 | preglow | JerryLange: sure |
| 20:07:38 | preglow | JerryLange: as long as you only want to use rockbox |
| 20:07:54 | PaulJam | hmm, now the sim crashed when i selected a bookmark |
| 20:07:54 | JerryLange | yes |
| 20:08:04 | preglow | JerryLange: apple os will recreate it if it doesn't exist anyway, afaik |
| 20:09:03 | JerryLange | alright |
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| 20:10:53 | JerryLange | i am guessing to run the ipod patcher you have to have the root of the drive? |
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| 20:11:49 | JerryLange | have it on the root of the drive* |
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| 20:15:43 | JerryLange | so all you do is extract the .rockbox folder and then run the botloader? this is how it seems in the manual. |
| 20:17:46 | JerryLange | is this the bootloader i use to install to the 80gb? http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ipodpatcher/ipodpatcher.exe |
| 20:18:32 | n1s | JerryLange: yes |
| 20:19:00 | n1s | that will install the bootloader, and you need to have admin rights to install it |
| 20:19:06 | JerryLange | ok i was kinda worried because the bootloader window took awhile. didnt know how long it would take |
| 20:19:18 | JerryLange | yeah im the only one on this computer. |
| 20:19:34 | n1s | it has to do some moving of data on the ipod |
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| 20:20:41 | JerryLange | now all i have to do is install fonts and it should be running fine. i already copied the .rockbox folder |
| 20:21:52 | n1s | yes, just unzip the fonts as you did with the rockbox.zip so they end up in a folder called fonts in the .rockbox folder |
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| 20:22:55 | n1s | PaulJam: Lear committed a major overhaul of the bookmark ui today, might that be the cause? |
| 20:22:55 | JerryLange | then tell the computer to disconnect the ipod and unhook it and it will run? wow this was easier then i thought. |
| 20:23:26 | n1s | JerryLange: yes, also you might need to hold down menu+select to reset it |
| 20:23:41 | PaulJam | nls: yes i know. that's why i was trying it out. |
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| 20:24:04 | use1ess_ | hi, I added some albums on iTunes and they don't appear on the rockbox. Is there any way I could scan my files again? |
| 20:24:10 | JerryLange | is select play/pause button? |
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| 20:26:12 | n1s | JerryLange: no, select is the one in the middle, please take a look in our fine manual |
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| 20:27:18 | JerryLange | ok thank you |
| 20:28:10 | use1ess_ | Anyone? :) |
| 20:28:21 | PaulJam | oh, i'm silly. the bookmark failed message was propably because my music is on a read-only ntfs partition. |
| 20:29:52 | PaulJam | use1ess_: tried "update now" in the database menu? |
| 20:36:21 | use1ess_ | well yaeh, |
| 20:36:23 | use1ess_ | *yeah |
| 20:36:27 | use1ess_ | still doesn't show up, though. |
| 20:36:50 | n1s | use1ess_: are they drm encrypted? |
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| 20:39:36 | use1ess_ | n1s: Not that I know of. |
| 20:40:03 | use1ess_ | in fact, after updating again −− it now detects the new albums, |
| 20:40:16 | use1ess_ | but kind of got rid of 50% of the other files I've had there. |
| 20:41:01 | * | use1ess_ frowns. |
| 20:41:52 | TheGooman | Hey, I'm trying to use a sim to debug a WPS but I can't get the debug option to function. I'm using Win XP so I goto the appropriate dir in cmd and type "rockboxui.exe −−debugwps" and am only given a new command line |
| 20:42:30 | use1ess_ | there, another update and now it's okay. :) |
| 20:42:37 | use1ess_ | anyone has a clue why it's like that, though? |
| 20:42:52 | n1s | TheGooman: does it work if you run it without switches? |
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| 20:43:49 | TheGooman | n1s: Yes. Also, if I run it with −−background it also performs as it should (if that's of any significance). |
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| 20:44:45 | n1s | TheGooman: hmm, it works fine on linux here... |
| 20:46:01 | PaulJam | unfortunately the uisim on windows doesn't have console output. |
| 20:46:26 | TheGooman | Meaning? |
| 20:47:05 | PaulJam | the −−debugwps option has no effect |
| 20:48:02 | TheGooman | Ahh...well that would explain it. Any way around this? |
| 20:50:15 | TheGooman | Or perhaps another way to check a WPS? |
| 20:51:02 | n1s | TheGooman: ther's this http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7179 |
| 20:53:48 | TheGooman | Alright, thanks. I'm thinking, though, I'm using a patched build; How would this factor into the use of this tool? |
| 20:55:43 | n1s | TheGooman: if the patches affect the wps in any way you will have to build the tool with the patches included but somone experienced problems earlier when using patched sources and building the tool |
| 20:56:56 | stripwax | TheGooman - which patches are you using? www.beermex.com/checkwps.exe has the scrollmargins and albumart patches built in |
| 20:58:33 | TheGooman | stripwax: Ah, thanks. I'm using Evilg's Fusion build. |
| 20:58:56 | stripwax | What's the recommended way (in a plugin) to load a random .bmp file from (anywhere on) the drive .. ? Do I have to do the full directory traverse myself? |
| 20:59:54 | TheGooman | stripwax: http://evilg.cleansoap.org/README-EvilG-Fusion-20070525.txt |
| 20:59:57 | stripwax | I'm extending the sliding_puzzle game to pick an arbitrary bitmap. Works nicely so far, although I've hardcoded the bitmap path for now |
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| 21:00:31 | TheGooman | Oh, nice |
| 21:01:08 | TheGooman | n1s: I'm pretty much a novice at this...how would I go about building the tool? |
| 21:01:38 | stripwax | TheGooman - hm, almost all of those patches will change the wps tags built into the checkwps tool. might be best to ask EvilG to provide a copy of the tool? |
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| 21:03:17 | n1s | TheGooman: yes asking EvilG for a patched tool is probably best, cause he knows about what changes he has made to the wps code. |
| 21:04:56 | TheGooman | I agree. He has a sim for the build I'm using but, as mentioned before, the sims aren't working for me. For now, the WPS I'm looking to clean up don't make use of those patches so I could definately use the exe you (stripwax) provided. I would like to know, however, how to build the tool from the diff file given on the tracker |
| 21:06:18 | n1s | TheGooman: you would have to set up a development environmen, no need for a full blown one with crosscompilers unless you want to make your own builds of rockbox. |
| 21:07:41 | n1s | TheGooman: here is everything you need to know about rockbox dev environments http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers |
| 21:12:48 | TheGooman | n1s: Mhmm. I've already got Cygwin so I'll have to do some more things to it then. Thanks, I appreciate it. |
| 21:13:12 | n1s | TheGooman: if you have cygwin all you need is gcc and svn |
| 21:13:37 | TheGooman | Yup |
| 21:15:02 | TheGooman | stripwax: when I run the checkwps you linked to I get a flash of cmd and then nothing |
| 21:15:29 | n1s | TheGooman: it is a command line tool, run it from a command line :-) |
| 21:15:32 | stripwax | TheGooman - you need to run it from the cmd line itself. run command prompt, then "checkwps yourfilename" |
| 21:15:42 | TheGooman | Ah, gotcha |
| 21:21:34 | TheGooman | Thanks all, c'ya later. |
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| 21:31:43 | pie-chan | has anyone used the installer made by dataghost to install 5.5g ipods? |
| 21:31:53 | pie-chan | im trying to figure out how to add rockbox to it with that installer ~_~ |
| 21:32:19 | n1s | pie-chan: we only support the official tools and instructions here |
| 21:35:12 | pie-chan | found it... Rockbox @ (hd0,1)/rockbox.ipod |
| 21:36:13 | krazykit | hrm. how do you change the font color in a wps? i'm not seeing anything about it in the wps docs |
| 21:37:23 | PaulJam | krazykit: in the display settings. are no separate colour settings for the wps. |
| 21:38:02 | krazykit | ah, ok |
| 21:41:42 | stripwax | PaulJam/krazykit - unless you use an (unofficial, unsupported) patch |
| 21:42:35 | krazykit | i think i saw that patch, but decided not to apply it to my build |
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| 21:48:14 | stripwax | krazykit - you can do it as part of a Theme of course. |
| 21:48:29 | krazykit | yeah, i just found that bit |
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| 21:50:15 | pie-chan | :( |
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| 22:09:50 | pie-chan | okay~ |
| 22:09:54 | pie-chan | now that i have rockbox working~ |
| 22:10:14 | pie-chan | i take it rockbox can't mount the windows partiton? (iPodControl)? |
| 22:10:34 | Llorean | Rockbox mounts the fat32 partition fine. |
| 22:10:42 | Llorean | In fact, that's the only partition it works with. |
| 22:10:58 | pie-chan | Llorean! hi! |
| 22:11:07 | pie-chan | thanks for your work on the 80 gig ipods :) |
| 22:11:50 | Llorean | Oh, I had nothing to do with those, I believe that was mostly Amiconn. |
| 22:11:58 | pie-chan | what i mean is... the folder that contains the music from the original ipod firmware isn't showing up |
| 22:12:10 | pie-chan | i see calendars, contacts, notes |
| 22:12:11 | Llorean | Set the file view mode to show all files, rather than just music |
| 22:12:15 | pie-chan | omg. |
| 22:12:18 | Llorean | I believe the ipod_control folder is marked as hidden. |
| 22:12:30 | Llorean | And Rockbox respects hidden files and folders except in the "All" mode |
| 22:12:58 | pie-chan | i see :> |
| 22:13:06 | Llorean | In Music, Supported, or Playlists, the iPod_Control folder will be hidden. |
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| 22:13:26 | Llorean | You may also want to read about the Database feature in the manual. If your music is in the iPod_Control folder, it's got crazy filenames, so Database might make it easier to use |
| 22:13:28 | pie-chan | how about a way to make font bigger? |
| 22:13:35 | pie-chan | oh, i used to use rockbox a long time ago :P |
| 22:13:44 | pie-chan | did you guys fix the bugs in DB? |
| 22:13:54 | Llorean | Just browse fonts from the menus, and choose the font of your choice |
| 22:14:03 | Llorean | The fonts pack is available from the Extras page at Rockbox.org |
| 22:14:09 | pie-chan | <3 |
| 22:14:45 | Llorean | As for "the bugs in the DB", I'm not sure which ones you refer to. Bugs come and go and occasionally come back. Heh. |
| 22:15:04 | pie-chan | yeah, well |
| 22:15:06 | pie-chan | the main one i had was |
| 22:15:14 | pie-chan | i had to remake the DB after sleeping or restarting, each time |
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| 22:15:59 | Llorean | Did you ever file a flyspray task about it? |
| 22:16:17 | pie-chan | well, almost |
| 22:16:25 | pie-chan | i was also going to take a look myself |
| 22:16:36 | pie-chan | but my ipod was stolen shortly after |
| 22:16:38 | pie-chan | karma, i guess ~_~ |
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| 22:17:25 | pie-chan | off of memory, what was the way to connect the ipod through a cable? |
| 22:17:29 | pie-chan | hold menu while plugging in? |
| 22:17:41 | pie-chan | yeah, thats it ^-^ |
| 22:17:42 | Llorean | Holding Menu prevents connection, so it charges instead |
| 22:18:03 | pie-chan | oh... |
| 22:18:11 | pie-chan | its the opposite for me (?) |
| 22:18:17 | Llorean | Are you using an official build? |
| 22:18:24 | pie-chan | actually, i think this is |
| 22:18:25 | pie-chan | evilg |
| 22:19:03 | Llorean | Unsupported builds often have a variety of changes. |
| 22:19:09 | Llorean | Sometimes that even includes button mappings |
| 22:19:49 | pie-chan | how do you disconnect after connecting the cable, Llorean |
| 22:19:59 | pie-chan | without just pulling the cable out |
| 22:20:06 | pie-chan | no button combination on the ipod? |
| 22:20:10 | pie-chan | you need to disconnect via windows, right? |
| 22:20:29 | Llorean | Yes, tell windows to eject the device |
| 22:22:09 | pie-chan | does rockbox support unicode? |
| 22:22:30 | Llorean | As long as the font you choose does |
| 22:22:39 | * | pie-chan huggles rockbox |
| 22:23:37 | markun | pie-chan: any language in particular you are interested in? |
| 22:24:43 | pie-chan | japanese |
| 22:24:54 | pie-chan | the font size is good, but a little bigger would help |
| 22:25:15 | pie-chan | well, russian would help too |
| 22:25:20 | pie-chan | but i didn't rip the music with russian fonts |
| 22:25:23 | pie-chan | ill rerip it |
| 22:30:26 | preglow | heh |
| 22:30:32 | preglow | not too many japanese bitmap fonts around |
| 22:30:39 | pie-chan | yeah, i know :P |
| 22:30:41 | preglow | but if you do find one that you think is perfect, yes, we can use it |
| 22:30:49 | preglow | thanks to markun, rockbox does utf-8 |
| 22:30:51 | * | pie-chan thinks |
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| 22:39:40 | amiconn | Llorean: Regarding the 80GB iPod, I just wrote the necessary code. Figuring out why the disk behaves strange was done by several others, including GodEater and LinusN |
| 22:40:24 | amiconn | Thanks to devcon I got access to such an ipod, otherwise I couldn't have done it. |
| 22:41:31 | Llorean | amiconn: Ah, I was only referring to the writing of the code that allows it to work, but yes, I should've been more clear. |
| 22:41:50 | * | pie-chan licks amiconn |
| 22:42:21 | pie-chan | you made a lot of people happy, at least |
| 22:43:17 | amiconn | At devcon we decided to do it in the ata driver (the simple solution, with some performance penalties as a drawback). The advantage is that it works now, and can be improved gradually by adjusting the fat and filesystem layer |
| 22:43:38 | amiconn | In the end it might be possible to remove the sector caching again |
| 22:43:40 | pie-chan | what are the cons |
| 22:43:45 | pie-chan | slower or something? |
| 22:45:26 | amiconn | Yes, in some cases. But it doesn't hit overall rockbox performance much |
| 22:46:18 | amiconn | Llorean: Once we worked out the basic idea, writing that code wasn't that much work, especially since the MMC driver has to do a similar thing |
| 22:46:33 | pie-chan | yay teamwork! |
| 22:46:41 | pie-chan | what are the plans for the future, amiconn? |
| 22:46:49 | pie-chan | also, what is the video support for video ipods? |
| 22:47:07 | Llorean | Same as the rest of Rockbox. See the PluginMpegplayer page in the wiki for full details |
| 22:47:17 | * | amiconn estimates the time for actually working on that code as roughly 5 hours. The rest was just testing, lots of testing |
| 22:47:38 | pie-chan | so it plays mpeg. |
| 22:47:47 | Llorean | amiconn: Oh, this seemed like something you might have an opinion on: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7213 |
| 22:47:53 | Llorean | pie-chan: MPEG1/2, not MPEG4 |
| 22:48:09 | pie-chan | oh :( |
| 22:48:12 | pie-chan | no h264 for me then |
| 22:48:25 | Llorean | We can't use the broadcom chip, so have to do all decoding on the main CPU |
| 22:48:31 | Llorean | Far, far, far too slow for h.264 on that screen |
| 22:50:55 | amiconn | Llorean: Looks a bit too simplistic to be safe (== not cause unwanted glitches) |
| 22:51:46 | pie-chan | Llorean, why is it not possible to use that chip? |
| 22:51:51 | amiconn | It's not really worth the hassle; the slowdown from unaligned reads is minimal on all swcodec targets I made (or got) disk speed logs of |
| 22:51:59 | Llorean | Alright. |
| 22:52:17 | amiconn | But with MoB we will most probably have to do something like that anyway |
| 22:52:26 | pie-chan | is it because only the apple firmware can use it? |
| 22:52:28 | Llorean | amiconn: I just know that on the 5G, some people were claiming Rockbox seems to spend a very long time buffering, and was wondering if this could help improve that. |
| 22:52:43 | amiconn | (in a safe way, i.e. the data header will contain the correct data length |
| 22:52:49 | Llorean | pie-chan: It's because there's no hardware documentation, so we don't know how to make it do anything but the very few things we have it doing already. |
| 22:53:21 | pie-chan | Llorean, we did it with the 5.5g ipods |
| 22:53:27 | pie-chan | :P |
| 22:53:30 | amiconn | Llorean: The logs from G5 show that read speed difference between aligned and unaligned is <5% |
| 22:53:36 | Llorean | pie-chan: Did what with the 5.5G iPods? |
| 22:53:40 | pie-chan | got them working |
| 22:53:55 | Llorean | Yes, but that's not equivalent |
| 22:54:01 | pie-chan | i know it's like playing with something in the dark |
| 22:54:05 | Llorean | Not the same, though |
| 22:54:06 | pie-chan | but im sure with time and effort |
| 22:54:07 | pie-chan | :( |
| 22:54:25 | amiconn | The very long buffering time has another cause: too much CPU load (enabling eq, crossfeed etc, with codecs already running near the limit) |
| 22:54:50 | Llorean | So, dual core will probably help that a good deal? |
| 22:55:18 | pie-chan | oh |
| 22:55:24 | Llorean | pie-chan: With the HD issues on the 5.5G, it was a case of them doing something that was strictly legal, but not "suggested" if I understand something. It was an unknown cause, but within known bounds. |
| 22:55:24 | pie-chan | doesnt apple's firmware have a good font |
| 22:55:28 | pie-chan | with japanese/russian support? |
| 22:55:36 | amiconn | Priority scheduling gives more cpu to the codec in that case, in an effort to prevent skipping. All other threads suffer, which includes the playback thread which does the buffering |
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| 22:59:17 | Soap | pie-chan: Even if Apple's font does, and even if you were able to extract it, you still have the copyright issues. |
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| 23:00:37 | stripwax | Hrm, if you own an ipod and have the apple firmware installed on it, and run rockbox on it, does having rockbox load the ipod font constitute a breach of copyright? |
| 23:01:04 | Llorean | stripwax: Rockbox wouldn't be able to use the Apple font. |
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| 23:01:48 | stripwax | Llorean - right - but not for copyright reasons |
| 23:02:04 | Llorean | Well, if copyright was the issue, it would be the user violating it if anyone. |
| 23:03:43 | Bagder | and hardly if they just used it on their own ipod |
| 23:04:04 | Llorean | It's probably one of those gray areas. |
| 23:05:40 | Llorean | One of those "If it came to prosecution, with the right lawyer you'd find out it was okay after spending a bunch of money, but the current letter of the law says 'you aren't licensed to use it in that way, so you can't'" or some such. |
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| 23:10:00 | preglow | what does copyright have to do with that? |
| 23:10:04 | preglow | we're not copying it |
| 23:10:10 | preglow | we're just using what is there |
| 23:10:19 | stripwax | Off topic totally, is bmp_resize patch likely to make it to svn? |
| 23:10:32 | stripwax | Would come in v handy for my updated sliding_puzzle game |
| 23:10:48 | stripwax | And if not, what could I do to help get that patch committed |
| 23:11:02 | stripwax | ^that^that bmpresize |
| 23:11:19 | stripwax | btw FS #5697 |
| 23:12:29 | Llorean | Outside of Album Art and plugin-specific uses, does it offer anything else? |
| 23:13:46 | stripwax | you mean is it useful to the core? probably not, but I could see multiple plugins wanting to do something similar. Is there a prospect of a 'more fully featured' graphics api just for plugins? (e.g. scaling, rotating, translucency) |
| 23:15:43 | Llorean | How much binary size does that patch add? |
| 23:16:02 | midkay | yes, it's certainly a possibility, we already have some "extended LCD functions" in the plugin library for triangle drawing etc.. i know someone already created a transparency patch as well. |
| 23:16:12 | midkay | it'd be nice to have such things available for plugin use at least. |
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| 23:19:16 | stripwax | Llorean : - good question, I don't know. It adds at least one static rgb array of 1280 pixels.. the functional changes themselves are smallish. I'll try a build later on and see what impact is. |
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| 23:23:13 | Alldogship | I'm back with my partition table problem with more details (iPod Vid 5.5gen 30GB). |
| 23:23:34 | Alldogship | an I'm on a mac plus ubuntu |
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| 23:44:17 | * | Llorean wonders why people continually refer to the size of the 30 Gb, and such iPods as 30 Go |
| 23:44:32 | amiconn | They're french.. |
| 23:45:27 | Llorean | But Go is supposed to technically differentiate between the marketing Gb and the binary Gb |
| 23:45:36 | Llorean | Shouldn't Go be the one you explicitly don't use in regards to the iPods? |
| 23:45:49 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:45:49 | * | Llorean may misunderstand |
| 23:45:56 | amiconn | 'o' stands for octet, i.e. 8 bits. They're trying to avoid the too much english-sounding word 'byte' |
| 23:46:14 | amiconn | It has nothing to do with binary vs. decimal |
| 23:47:45 | pie-chan | does anyone know of a program that can find any folder with a certain file type in it |
| 23:47:49 | pie-chan | and copy it to another location? |
| 23:48:35 | Llorean | Ah, I was introduced to it as "Gigabyte is too ambiguous, Gigaoctet specifically means 2^30, whereas Gigabyte can mean 2^30 or 10^9", but I only had that one person's definition. |
| 23:49:42 | Bagder | I was thinking about gibibyte |
| 23:49:53 | amiconn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octet_%28computing%29 |
| 23:50:08 | Llorean | Bagder: It's entirely possible he was too. |
| 23:51:26 | stripwax | Go and Mo are definitely French |
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| 23:51:32 | amiconn | The archos Ondio firmware uses Mo even when set to german. Clearly a sign of its origin... |
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| 23:52:46 | pie-chan | anybody? |
| 23:53:03 | pie-chan | anyone know if i can have a program scan a bunch of folders for *.flac and copy them to the ipod? |
| 23:53:12 | stripwax | pie-chan - ls? search? dir? |
| 23:53:21 | stripwax | xcopy? |
| 23:53:37 | pie-chan | windows, stripwax |
| 23:53:41 | pie-chan | trying to mark any folder with flac |
| 23:53:47 | pie-chan | and copy the whole thing to the ipod |
| 23:53:59 | pie-chan | the whole thing, not just the flac files |
| 23:54:13 | stripwax | search in windows explorer, dude |
| 23:54:20 | pie-chan | and i see the flac files |
| 23:54:29 | pie-chan | and their respective folders |
| 23:54:37 | stripwax | yeah |
| 23:54:39 | pie-chan | but i need the cue files and the album art too |
| 23:54:42 | pie-chan | and the folder structure |
| 23:54:45 | amiconn | SOunds like a task for a script |
| 23:54:51 | pie-chan | :( |
| 23:55:05 | amiconn | In windows I'd use vbscript for such things |
| 23:55:39 | Llorean | If you had your music all under a /Music/Artist/Album/Genre or even /Music/Format/Artist/Album/Genre folder structure, you wouldn't be in this problem today. :-P |
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| 23:55:54 | pie-chan | yeah Llorean |
| 23:56:00 | pie-chan | but i don't sort by format :( |
| 23:56:07 | pie-chan | i stick to the primative |
| 23:56:20 | pie-chan | /Album |
| 23:56:20 | pie-chan | XD |
| 23:57:59 | Soap | Llorean: if we're going to be pedantic, shouldn't it be "GB" not "Gb"? |
| 23:58:14 | Soap | Byte, not bit? |
| 23:58:41 | pie-chan | omg |
| 23:58:43 | pie-chan | he's right |
| 23:58:47 | pie-chan | B is byte, b is bit |
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