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#rockbox log for 2007-05-27

00:00:01AlldogshipGo is in french
00:03:57BuschelHi, short question: is it correct to disable <#define MAX_PHYS_SECTOR_SIZE 1024> in config-ipodvideo, if I've got a 30GB-model? This line was added for the new 80GB-port
00:05:26LloreanBuschel: Rockbox runs correctly on both 30, 60, and 80GB iPods, you shouldn't be making any changes to the source to make sure it works on a specific one.
00:06:25amiconnSoap: Any news on the codec test set track?
00:06:52saratoga3can anyone here answer a fixed point math question for me?
00:06:57BuschelLlorean: ok
00:07:20SoapI am having a hard time finding something which is _both_ using the full spectrum and passes the high-bitrate lame-v2 test.
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00:08:07stripwaxbah, stupid client
00:08:23stripwaxSoap - what's the lame v2 test?
00:08:28SoapI'm thinking it is a lost cause. Audio with a large amount of energy in the higher frequencies is getting clipped by the psycoacoustic model I think, and producing lower bitrate mp3s, whereas tracks with most their energy down low are consuming more bits.
00:08:58Soapstripwax: we had discussed using the bitrate of a track encoded with lame -V2 as a test of "complexity"
00:09:35amiconn−−preset standard uses -V2 afaik?
00:09:37stripwaxah, i see.
00:09:58BuschelSoap: talking of test signals? high frequency parts of the signal will need only few SMR, whereas low freqs need much higher SMR.
00:10:25Buschelhi-freq signal parts are mostly noisy
00:10:33Soapamiconn: yes, APS has been mapped to -V2
00:10:50SoapBuschel: the goal was to use actual music.
00:10:59amiconnI have quite some tracks which reach or exceed 240kbps when encoded with −−preset standard
00:11:22amiconnUnfortunately we can't just use some arbitrary music because of copyright
00:12:03Bagderwell, if we'd just use a minute or so somewhere in the middle of a song I doubt that will cause us problems
00:12:04saratoga3amiconn: we can use any copyrighted music under 30 seconds in length I believe
00:12:06Soapsame here - I've been blindly downloading .wavs and .flacs from's creative-commons collection - encoding them V2, and looking at the spectrogram (pre MP3)
00:12:53SoapBagder: that was a question I was curious about. HydrogenAudio seems to run under the assumption all their test files (30 seconds in length IIRC) fall under fair use.
00:13:10preglowsaratoga3: shoot
00:13:27SoapI was hopeful to find creative-commons content and avoid any risk, though.
00:13:45XavierGrisn't many clapping hands considered to be "complex" for mp3 etc encoders
00:13:47BagderSoap: I haven't read about a specific length but fair use should apply at some point, but yeah, creative-commons take away the gray areas
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00:14:07SoapXavierGr: that brings up my second concern...
00:14:11preglowsaratoga3: well, what do you expect the code to do
00:14:22XavierGrSoap: which is?
00:14:30SoapIf we use MP3 as the benchmark of "complexity" - we have loaded the codec test with bias.
00:14:48Buschelmp3 will need excessive amount of bits if the input signal is transient
00:14:57Soapvorbis and mp3 differ on what kinds of samples they devote bitrate to.
00:15:54XavierGrall I know is that I would have trouble to benchmark with a song that I dislike :P (or is it just an decoding benchmark?)
00:16:29Alldogshipis any of you good enough with disk reformating on linux?
00:16:29saratoga3preglow: I expect it to spit out a fixed64 value
00:16:35Soapnot a quality test - a decodingcodec-performance test
00:16:43saratoga3however, a fixed32 x fixed64 can't be fixed64 right?
00:16:53saratoga3since the multiply will always shift the decimal point
00:16:57preglowsaratoga3: oh, like that, i think so, but i don't really know for sure. that's more of a c question than a fixed point question
00:17:26XavierGrthen why not just pick randomly one of the non-copyrighted ones?
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00:17:56saratoga3preglow: I mean in terms of the math, I don't see how he can just return a fixed 64 after doing a fixed multiply, wouldn't the result be unnormalized?
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00:18:19preglowsaratoga3: it depends, if y is an integer, for example, it would work
00:18:26preglowsaratoga3: but it all depends on the fixed point format used
00:18:39XavierGras amiconn once said, we could use the "iRiver, catch the digital flow!" theme. :P
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00:18:45SoapXavierGr: we do want something to strain the codecs...
00:18:49preglowsaratoga3: if y uses any fractional values, then yes, it will need shifting, or it will be very unnormalized
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00:20:54XavierGrSoap: but different encoders might encode something more easy than others
00:22:07XavierGrso if you have to choose music for a test track then just choose a genre that is considered to be less "encoder-friendly" than others
00:22:23preglowsaratoga3: but like i said, it depends on how it's used. if you're multiplying a fixed point number by an integer, which is equivalent to a fixed point number with no fractional part, then you need no shifting
00:22:52Alldogshipanyone can help me with a formating problem?
00:23:13Alldogship(last time I ask for today because I don't want to spam)
00:23:43SoapAlldogship: reformatting your DAP?
00:24:11pie-chanhey, Soap
00:24:13AlldogshipSoap: reformatting my ipod. what's a DAP?
00:24:13PaulJamSoap: wouldn't it be best to take some seconds of several song with different music styles and mergr them into one file as test track to get some kind of performance for average usage?
00:24:15pie-chanis there an APE codec?
00:24:17pie-chani didn't see one
00:24:21pie-chani only saw flac wavpack and alac
00:24:23SoapAlldogship: DigitalAudioPlayer.
00:25:12SoapPaulJam: that is something I had been considering as well - wanted to run that idea past amiconn and linuxstb_ since they voiced "interest" in the chosen track.
00:25:30SoapPaulJam: I do like the idea of a "meta-track" myself.
00:26:03XavierGryeah sounds like a good idea
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00:26:33Lloreanpie-chan: Rockbox doesn't support, and is somewhat unlikely to support, Ape
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00:26:54SoapAPE eats CPU like Walt Disney eats Cuban children.
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00:27:06AlldogshipSoap: that. I tried to reformat my gen5.5 ipod 2048 bytes sector in many ways but always failed
00:27:24Soap(gotta go, be back later)
00:28:29AlldogshipI'll put it on the forum in Apple install. have a nice day
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00:33:55pie-chani could have sworn that
00:33:59pie-chani played ape at one point
00:34:00pie-chanon rockbox ~_~
00:34:19pie-chanSoap, why does that remind me of some robot chicken episode i saw
00:36:05saratoga3stupid make question: why do I get this when I try to do a 2 processor make?
00:36:08saratoga3"make[1]: warning: jobserver unavailable: using -j1. Add `+' to parent make rule."
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00:50:11sneakumssaratoga3: check out node "MAKE Variable" in the GNU Make manual; it seems to be something to do with calling make recursively
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01:18:03IkarusAnyone know of the state of a port to the 2nd gen iPod Nano (or wants to suggest an alternative player with the same feature set)
01:18:31n1sIkarus: what features are you loking for?
01:19:15Ikarusn1s: Just the basics, I need playback of MP3, FLAC, Ogg Vorbis, around 8GB memory, compact device
01:19:29LloreanSo, the Sansa e280 is a good idea.
01:19:31Nico_PIkarus: looks like you want a sansa
01:19:52*n1s was going to say sansa too
01:20:05*Llorean doesn't see "poorly labelled buttons and an input method that doesn't offer tactile feedback for unsighted users" a particularly compelling feature set anyway.
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01:29:36*amiconn thinks the sansa isn't exactly compact
01:29:46amiconnIt's quite big and heavy for a flash player
01:30:07LloreanIt is our most compact ~8gb player though, isn't it?
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01:30:41amiconnProbably, but hopefully not for long :P
01:31:07*amiconn just needs to find a vendor where he can actually buy an 8GB MMC
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01:32:06*amiconn knows the sansa has an extension slot as well
01:32:24amiconn...unlike the nanos, which is a big plus imho
01:33:05amiconnThe radio is another pro, as long as you don't get an european model...
01:33:26LloreanYeah, I'm quite fond of the Sansa actually
01:33:31LloreanIt's like a smaller H120.
01:33:38LloreanIt's not "compact" though.
01:33:55LloreanThe giant screen and somewhat kludgy wheel certainly don't help its size
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01:35:38Ikarusamiconn: Radio is a con, I don't want to listen to radio
01:36:11amiconnThen get a european model...
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01:36:46LloreanOr just don't use it..
01:36:56any1how do i install a new theme?
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01:39:32Crendei am soooo frustrated rightt parents wont get me a new mp3 player so I'm stuck with my gigabeat that wont turn on unless plugged into the charger
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01:39:45Crendeanyone know any thing i could use at home to try and fix that issue?
01:39:54IkarusHrm, the Sansa does look like it is made out of flimsy plastic
01:39:59Ikaruswonder if they have it in store here
01:41:42LloreanIkarus: The Sansa is a hell of a lot sturdier than the iPod Nano 1st gen or the 5G iPods.
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01:42:33LloreanCrende: You'd have to determine what the problem is. It could be the battery switch is bad, or the battery is unconnected for some reason, or something has shorted.
01:43:36CrendeWell, it shows that the battery iss charging
01:43:57Crendelike it shows the little plug sign on the screen, but the plug sign never turns green
01:44:02Crendeand I've opened it up
01:44:14Crendeand detached and reattached the battery
01:44:16Crendebut no change
01:47:06saratoga3Crende: shot in the dark, but maybe you need a new battery?
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01:48:09Crendei've thought about that..but I'm not sure where to buy a new one
01:48:43saratoga3Crende: ebay
01:49:16CrendeI was just gonna scrap it because the headphone jack was partially connecting w/ my headphones, but i guess I wont
01:50:08Crendeum, do you know how to reattach the face plat?
01:50:16Crendemine keeps popping off
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02:32:24toffe82Crende: take off the plate completely and try to reinstall it by sliding it in position, check if the top clip is still good
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02:37:31Crendedo you know how to fix headphone jack issues? like if its partially connecting?
02:38:15toffe82what do you mean : the jack fully inserted, you have only one channel ?
02:38:36pie-chando you use an ipod case?
02:39:45CrendeI think the jack fully inserted
02:39:58Crendebecause when I plug in my headphones, I have to shift it around to get a clear sound
02:40:39SoapHave you eliminated the headphones themselves as the connection fault?
02:41:58toffe82do you fill like if the jack socket is moving ?
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02:44:38Crendei'm not sure if it's moving
02:44:48Crendebut I do know its not the headphone's fault
02:45:01Soapwhich player?
02:45:07Crendetoshiba gigabeat
02:45:21toffe82perhaps try a contac cleaner
02:45:31toffe82contact ^^ does that work
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02:46:29pie-chanyou put rubbing alcohol on a cue tip
02:46:32pie-chanand rub it on in
02:46:34toffe82you spay the product on the jack , insert it in the socket and move it several times to clean the contact
02:46:36pie-chanand it cleans the contacts
02:47:01*Soap leaves to take a cold shower
02:47:07toffe82or alcohol :)
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02:50:45CrendeI accidently closed the screen
02:51:53Crendesoo I didn't see what was typed last
02:52:00Crendeliek after when I said f10
02:52:56Crendenvm I checked the log
02:53:21Crendeso, you could rub rubbing achohol onto the jack then move it around inside the headphone jack>?
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03:03:25pie-chan<3 rockbox
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03:09:41Crendeanyone watching realworld vegas?
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03:10:23toffe82why ?
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04:26:32jackfusionHi all
04:26:32Crendejust wonderin
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04:28:05jackfusionI want just rockbox on my ipod with out the orignal firmware on there is that possible?
04:28:17BHSPitMonkeyit is
04:28:41BHSPitMonkeydo you have rockbox installed already
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04:29:12jackfusionI have it extracted to the ipod.
04:30:10jackfusionand I copied rockbox.ipod to the root directory.
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04:32:29jackfusionwhen I go and unhook my ipod it tells me that I have to connect it to my computer and use itunes to restore it why is that?
04:36:28saratoga3jackfusion: that sounds like an Apple firmware message, not a rockbox one
04:36:36saratoga3what did you do exactly
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04:39:05jackfusionI have couply wiped the drive and formatted it windows 32, downloaded and extracted .rock to the ipod then copied rockbox.ipod the the root directory.
04:39:19saratoga3did you install the bootloader?
04:40:12jackfusionI am trying to make rockbox the main without the orignal firmware there.
04:40:20badsheepyyou need the original firmware for usb
04:40:32saratoga3jackfusion: regardless, did you install the bootloader?
04:40:44saratoga3the ipod cannot boot without a bootloader
04:40:45n1sbadsheepy: he can use the diskmode that's in flash
04:40:45jackfusionjust checking
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04:45:27rushfanCan you load the default ipod firmware while rockbox is installed?
04:46:25rushfanLlorean: how? (I figured the answer was yes I dont know how
04:46:40LloreanTurn off the device, turn on the device, and immediately after turning it on, turn on the hold switch
04:46:42rushfanAnd btw, could there be a reason that half of my WPS screens dont load?
04:47:14LloreanA lot of WPSes aren't valid, and Rockbox has become stricter about invalid WPSes. Usually there's some small bits of the WPS's code that needs fixed
04:47:22rushfanoh ok
04:47:36rushfanIve noticed none of the WPS screens that support album art work
04:47:38jackfusionwhen I run the ipodpatcher in linux it says there is no ipod
04:47:58Lloreanjackfusion: Which iPodPatcher version are you using?
04:48:16saratoga3jackfusion: i believe if you format your ipod, it screws up detection of it
04:48:19jackfusionthe most recent
04:48:22saratoga3though that was supposed to have been fixed
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04:48:47Lloreanjackfusion: What version number? "The most recent" tells me you think it's the most recent, but that doesn't tell me for sure it really is. When did you download it?
04:49:06LloreanIt's quite often that someone says the most recent, and it turns out not to be.
04:49:56jackfusionI went to the manual online and downloaded the ipodpatcher
04:50:31jackfusionis the download from the manual online the most recent
04:50:41LloreanIt depends on when you downloaded it
04:50:45LloreanAnd whether a proxy interferes.
04:50:58jackfusion30 mins ago
04:51:00LloreanWhich is why I asked for a version number.
04:51:16LloreanIf you downloaded it today it's most likely the most recent version, unless caching has interfered.
04:51:32saratoga3what version number does it give you?
04:51:38saratoga3might as well be sure
04:51:51jackfusionI have 1.0 with v1.1 bootloader
04:52:05LloreanNow what does the partition table on your iPod look like?
04:52:21LloreanPaste it into a pastebin, like
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05:00:54jackfusioncan't get the table because when I cfdisk sdb1 or cfdisk /media/sdb1 it says it can not find the device
05:01:17Lloreansdb1 is a specific partition
05:01:18LloreanTry sdb
05:01:45jackfusionno luck
05:02:15LloreanWell, if you can't find the device like that, it might explain why ipodpatcher can't find it either.
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05:08:35jackfusionI am using PCLinuxOS right not windows to make things easier should I just connect my ipod to a windows machine and reput the orignal firmware and bootloader on itwith the linux boot loader to make things easier?
05:08:52LloreanI'm not sure what you're asking?
05:09:00LloreanYou can just use the windows version of iPodPatcher, sure.
05:09:21LloreanBut I don't know what you mean by "reput the original firmware and bootloader on it with the linux boot loader"
05:10:17jackfusionput the orginal firmware back on the ipod to fix things.
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05:28:14avenged_oneOk, the last post in the thread on the e200r forum is from a while ago so I'd like to ask, Has there been any progress, even slightly, on the R Series Sansa port?
05:28:48LloreanNobody's really working on it.
05:28:57LloreanAt least, nobody who tells us about it.
05:29:06LloreanIt requires some effort from people who actually have e200Rs
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05:36:15avenged_oneWell, I own one, I would be willing to test if it will help progress be made.
05:36:24LloreanIt's not testing that's needed
05:36:39LloreanSomeone who owns one needs to figure out how to load alternate firmware
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05:54:59JdGordondoes the rec screen work for anyone?
05:55:08JdGordonseems to keep crashing for me
05:58:02*JdGordon summons austriancoder!
05:58:31JdGordonwell it was worth a shot anyway :p
06:03:10JdGordonLlorean: ping?
06:03:44JdGordonhave you seen the rec dir patch?
06:04:09LloreanYeah, but I haven't tried it.
06:04:13LloreanI almost never use recording.
06:04:24JdGordonok :)
06:04:29LloreanI do like using the context menu to set the recording folder, and having a clear option that resets it to the root.
06:04:34JdGordonneither, but i did just test it and it works
06:04:43LloreanAs the method I personally would prefer for using it, if I ever did. Heh.
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06:17:36jackfusionI am back
06:17:52jackfusionhi all again
06:29:53jackfusionthank u all for ur help and have a nice evening.
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08:10:18amiconnJdGordon: There is a bug in the multivolume code that was uncovered by the recording dir patch
08:10:40amiconn(multivolume + hotswap, that is)
08:11:40amiconnIf the hotswap volume isn't there, it is possible to create a dir with this name, even though this name is forbidden by not only FAT standards, as it contains < and >
08:12:28amiconnThis dir can't be deleted both from rockbox (because it thinks it's a volume) nor from the pc (because of the < and >)
08:13:29JdGordonyeah, I tihnk i remember the rockbox code not checking the new filname properly for illegal chars
08:13:53amiconnIt does check, but obviously not everything
08:15:15JdGordonstatic int fat_checkname(const unsigned char* newname)
08:15:23JdGordon /* More sanity checks are probably needed */
08:15:23JdGordon if ( newname[strlen(newname) - 1] == '.' ) {
08:15:23JdGordon return -1;
08:15:23DBUGEnqueued KICK JdGordon
08:15:23JdGordon }
08:15:23JdGordon return 0;
08:15:23***Alert Mode level 1
08:15:27JdGordonreally good error checking there.. :D
08:15:51CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
08:15:51*amiconn is puzzled
08:16:02amiconnIirc there were more checks...
08:16:10JdGordonthat is the sum total of the name checking, isnt it?
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08:17:18JdGordonhmm, maybe not
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08:17:27JdGordonwhats this char2dos func?
08:17:55JdGordonswitch on hex values without comments :(
08:18:45[mbm]loaded rockbox on a 5.5 ipod .. runs better than ipodlinux ;)
08:19:53JdGordonno, char2dos definatly should b removing the < and >'s
08:20:14amiconnThat's for longname->shortname
08:20:25amiconnBut < and > aren't even allowed in longnames
08:20:51amiconnAnd the code should fail on creating this dir regardless of the < and >
08:21:15amiconnThat's what's missing for multivolume
08:21:21amiconn...i.e. there are 2 bugs
08:22:03JdGordonwhy shuold the code fail regardless of the < and >? without them its a valid name
08:22:21amiconnOne is that the fat code doesn't check for illegal chars (all targets). The other is that it doesn't check for the reserved multivolume name
08:22:23*[mbm] still trying to figure out the multiple forks, each with their own set of patches like album art
08:23:27amiconnThe multivolume code should probably fails with EEXIST when trying to create <MMC1> and the card is plugged, and a different error otherwise
08:24:45[mbm]seems that addicentally hitting the record button renders the ipod unable to play back until rebooted
08:25:24***Alert Mode OFF
08:25:55LloreanYeah, recording on iPods is still very experimental
08:27:09[mbm]trying to disable that menu option so I don't hit it again
08:29:25[mbm]will be really fun if anyone ever figures out the tv out on the ipod photo/video models
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08:34:22Feral_KidSo do one keep the Ipod 4g from going in to drive mode while charging a battery via USB?
08:34:59Feral_KidI meant to say how does one keep the Ipod 4g from going in to drive mode while charging a battery via USB?
08:35:29LloreanHold menu while plugging it in (while the player is already turned on and in Rockbox)
08:38:02JdGordonamiconn: except its <MMC%d> in the code...
08:38:33JdGordonslight annoyance, but easy to work around
08:39:14amiconnOf course it's %d. Flexible code...
08:39:23JdGordonhang on... if its not plugged, there is no reason to fail the create (except for the <>) because the mmc could then be MMC2
08:39:30JdGordonnot really a big deal
08:39:36Feral_KidLlorean> Hmmm... That doesn't seem to work for me... Even if I am playing a song, a few seconds after I plug in the cable, the ipod reboots and goes into diskmode....
08:39:39amiconnIn fact the check for illegal chars in the fat code should be sufficient
08:40:03amiconnThere is a reason to fail.... the < and > are illegal by fat standards, and reserved in rockbox
08:40:39JdGordonthen it shuold fail with bad filename.. not EEXIST
08:41:10amiconnThat will cause problems
08:41:11LloreanFeral_Kid: This seems to happen occasionally for some people. It's really not perfect yet.
08:41:15Feral_KidLlorean> I wonder if that be because I am using one of the unsupported builds...
08:41:31Feral_KidLlorean> Ah... Thanks for the info...
08:41:43amiconnWhen the MMC is actually there, not failing with EEXIST would make the recording code fail when it's set to record in /<MMC1>
08:41:55amiconnHmm, or maybe not...
08:42:17amiconnI think it checks for existing dir first, and only tries to create it if it's not there
08:42:35JdGordonthats how I would expect it to work
08:43:35JdGordonbtw, if we do get the external cards using the volume name as the mount point, setting that as the record path will be a pita
08:44:44amiconnAs per the latest idea, the volume name would be for display in the browser only. Internally we would still use the <VOLn> names
08:45:25JdGordonthe name the browser displays is the name internally....
08:45:33amiconnYes, currently
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08:58:32JdGordonamiconn: im just compiling and testing my correct filename checkin code.. if it works shuold I cmmit?
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09:00:01*amiconn thinks file system code needs good review + testing
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09:00:19amiconnIf there's a bug, the user's data might be at risk
09:00:49*pie-chan licks amiconn
09:00:57JdGordonyay :) didnt let me create <folder
09:01:40amiconnAnd of course the check should be compact, and disallow all the forbidden chars
09:01:51scorchewhatever happened to out previous licker?
09:01:58scorcheforgot his name...
09:02:16*amiconn fetches the fat specs
09:02:35pie-chanthat was me
09:02:37*pie-chan licks scorche
09:02:56scorchewhat was your nick back then then?
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09:03:08pie-chani forget XD
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09:04:08amiconn< and > are legal as per FAT specs...
09:04:28*JdGordon back in 15
09:05:04amiconnignore that...
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09:11:30amiconnHere are the characters forbidden even in longnames: "*/:<>?\| and everything in the control char range (ascci code < 32)
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09:25:34JdGordonso <> are ilegal?
09:26:18JdGordonquick test with the sd card in... I couldnt mnually create a <folder> but <sdcard1> was created, so it wrks..
09:26:22JdGordonill put the patch on FS
09:27:12JdGordonI didnt actually add any code, just moved the check that was already there around
09:27:17amiconnIt shouldn't be possible to create <sdcard1> either
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09:28:07JdGordonno, I meant the browser showed it when the card was inserted... not that it is possible to manually create
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09:29:27JdGordonamiconn: FS #7222
09:31:35*JdGordon voices his frustratio at the vkeyboard on the sansa!
09:32:14LloreanJdGordon: Because of the directions keys placement?
09:33:11JdGordonthe players' vkeyboard would wrk so much better on the sansa than the current one
09:39:41daurnimatorJdGordon: would you happen to have a laptop with a floppy drive?
09:39:59daurnimatoror a 2.5"->3.5" hdd adaptor
09:40:12JdGordonI have the 2nd for sure.. possibly the first
09:40:16JdGordongo to pm...
09:47:50JdGordonis there a way to check if a folder exists without doin the full dir read?
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09:50:42*JdGordon is not sure how to change the rec filename if the requested folder doesnt exist
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09:56:10amiconnJdGordon: Just try to open the folder...
09:56:23amiconnI mean for checking whether it exists
09:56:44amiconnThe dir code does a complete scan of course
09:56:45Bagderbtw, on June 15th will change IP address and get increased bandwidth
09:57:11scorchenew connection for contactor?
09:57:31scorchehow fast?
09:57:33Bagder10mbit from another operator
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09:59:58Bagderso our company is moving from one class C network to another
10:01:29scorcheso a friend of mine got tasked by his work to make an ipod do a few new tricks, including automatically connecting the work servers, and a few other things...i told him to just use rockbox as a base....he said he would rather not touch it and will, instead, program a whole OS from scratch in C#...
10:02:16Bagderthat will 1) take a massive amount of time or 2) fail
10:02:27scorcheand it is in c#...
10:02:39JdGordonhmm... /me missread...
10:02:46JdGordonI read that or as an "and"
10:02:50scorchewell, will be
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10:03:17Bagderwell for c# to run, he need to port a runtime to it first
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10:03:42scorcheit will have a lot of overhead too, no?
10:03:48Bagderoh yes
10:03:58Bagderit'll crawl, when he completes this project in 2013
10:03:58scorcheand he intends to have videos played as well...
10:04:30BagderI guess the "easiest" way to do c# would to run ipl and port mono to it
10:05:05scorchei was mentioning to him about how we have issues with C, and for him to attempt video play as well as other things in C#..
10:05:21JdGordondoes this logic look correct? it shuold only bother with the user path if it knows its not wiritng to the externa card
10:05:23scorchewell, you get teh picture...just thought you could use a laugh today =)
10:05:47JdGordonscorche: maybe he could do with some help from the zune-linux guys?
10:06:03Bagderhehe, yeah they seem to be in the same league
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10:07:05Bagderis the new address btw
10:07:14scorchewhen will this take place?
10:07:18Bagderjune 15th
10:07:32Bagderthat's devcon west date, right? ;-/
10:07:40scorcheyeah =/
10:07:46JdGordonnice sabotage attempt
10:07:47scorchewell, first day
10:07:51Bagderwe can arrange some extra nice chaos
10:08:07scorchefine...forget rockbox then...i will just bring the vodka
10:08:29peturoh... finlandia wodka?
10:08:47*scorche wants to make a few kamikazes
10:15:18Bagderbtw, I noticed Joe Born of Neuros is gonna talk at LRL
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10:19:23Bagderso, there will be a with the new IP address that should be possible to use as soon as the network is connected
10:19:32Bagderduring the transition time when www goes to the new IP
10:25:59scorchei still need to figure out how i shall do the webcam...
10:26:15Bagderyou mean how to publish the images?
10:26:58scorchei might go get one of those nifty webcams that have a webserver built in, or whatever they do...
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10:27:50Bagderif not, I'm willing to give you means to put the images on the rockbox dl server
10:28:23scorchethat would be nice if it doesnt work out...i dont know how much load those can take as well
10:28:40Bagderin both our devcons, we've resorted to do the uploads using our own custom scripts
10:28:51Bagderthe webcam softwares are usually all crap
10:30:09scorcheyes, but i dont know how decent the ones that advertise being able to view the cam from anywhere/network cameras are
10:30:21Bagderme neither
10:30:22scorchethen again, i dont doubt that would be crap too
10:30:34scorchemight as well try it and return it if it doesnt work
10:30:47BagderI figure there must be cam softwares that aren't crap, but I haven't yet seen any
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10:32:02amiconnImo this year's webcam software used at devcon was even worse than that of last year's webcam
10:32:22peturif the cam is video-for-windows compliant you could use anything to post the images (lots of freeware floating around)
10:32:27scorchei would like to get an actual stream going, but i dont know how much load we would be taking, and i wouldnt be surprised if the throttle the connection
10:32:33amiconnThe logitech software didn't even allow to put images in a specified folder... so we had to use an open source alternative
10:33:16amiconnpetur: Yes, the software we used should work with all VfM compatible cams
10:34:03amiconnIt can do ftp upload... but for more complex scenarios (e.g. scp) it still needs an external upload script
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10:45:57Mikeobincan i ask something ?
10:46:09[mbm]you already did
10:46:26Mikeobini have already install rockbox
10:46:31Mikeobinto my ipod 5g
10:46:42[mbm]you're allowed to ask one question per tay, come back tomorrow *grin*
10:47:05Mikeobinso, thems can't changed
10:47:22Mikeobinsorry for my english
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10:47:27Mikeobini'm greek man
10:48:20*[mbm] has only been running rockbox for less than a day .. themes seem to work fine
10:48:29daurnimatoranyone here had experience with hdd passwords?
10:48:34[mbm]using a 80G 5.5 gen here
10:49:07midkayMikeobin: what exactly is the problem? do they not show up, or do they not load correctly, or?
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10:49:48Mikeobinsorry, i can understand, you say to change a theme must have run the rockbox for couple of days less?
10:50:09[mbm]I said it works fine for me on my new ipod
10:50:34Mikeobinmid kay: i choose a theme but the player does not change skin
10:50:37Bagderdaurnimator: you mean ATA-level?
10:51:07Mikeobinthe only thing that changed is background
10:51:18Mikeobinwhen i select a them
10:51:25midkayMikeobin: so what doesn't change? the font, i guess? did you install the font pack?
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10:52:23[mbm]themes usually come as a zip file containing several directories which have to be placed in .rockbock
10:52:47[mbm]if you don't install all the files the theme won't work correctly
10:52:56daurnimatorBagder: yes
10:53:27daurnimatoras it happens, is the only page on the whole internet that partially describes anything like what I hae
10:53:29PaulJamMikeobin: if it loads the default WPS it could be that the WPS file is broken. the WPS pharser got more stricht on errors.
10:53:53daurnimatoras i understand. My hdd is in High Security mode.
10:53:57daurnimatorI know the password
10:54:00Bagderyeah, people tend to come here and ask for hdd password just because of that...
10:54:01daurnimatorI just want to remove it
10:54:09badsheepyatapwd will do it
10:54:16Mikeobina theme contains a folder with bmp files
10:54:19daurnimatori tried atapwd, it didn't find the hdd
10:54:45badsheepymaybe its broken then
10:55:02daurnimatorna, it works fine
10:55:06daurnimatorI run vista on it
10:55:08daurnimatorno problems
10:55:29Mikeobini copy it to rockbox \wps right?
10:55:30daurnimatorjust... i need the password off it in the next 5 hours
10:55:37midkayMikeobin: no, not at all. it's what [mbm] said it was. it should be several folders.
10:55:44midkayor a single .rockbox folder.
10:55:45badsheepydid you run atapwd from a boot disk
10:55:50midkaywith several folders inside it.
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10:57:13Mikeobinmidkay: in witch folder can i copy the files?
10:57:18Mikeobinbmp files?
10:57:30midkayMikeobin: it's not a theme if it's just bmp files. you can't just copy them and have it work.
10:57:58Mikeobinand the players skin
10:58:13Mikeobini mean when the song play shows a skin
10:58:26Mikeobinthis skin how can i change?
10:59:12[mbm]Mikeobin: if the zip file has a .rockbox then extrac it to the device, if it doesn't have a .rockbox then extract it to the .rockbox of the device
10:59:43Mikeobini exctract it as you said
11:00:01[mbm]it should recreate the directories from the zip file
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11:01:29daurnimatorbadsheepy: any other ideas/
11:01:43Mikeobinafter copying files to ipod i choose from my ipod a theme ok?
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11:02:33Mikeobinand my ipod change the font and the background already
11:03:08Mikeobinbut the problem is... the players skin does not changed yet
11:04:10daurnimatorbadsheepy/bagder: when I run atapwd, it comes up with the cd drive as PM (primary master??) when it isn't. PS, SM & SS are all empty
11:04:15daurnimatorhdd doesn't show
11:04:24stripwaxMikeobin - maybe the theme you downloaded doesn't work. try a different theme?
11:04:44Mikeobini try with all blackglass
11:05:24badsheepyis this on a laptop daurnimator ?
11:05:24Mikeobini try with phkTAPE
11:05:26stripwaxMikeobin - are you using the "official" rockbox build or an "unofficial" build like Evilg, senab, etc
11:05:31daurnimatorbadsheepy: yes
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11:05:40JdGordonhey pixelma
11:05:44stripwaxMikeobin - because blackglass requires patches that are not part of the official rockbox build iirc.
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11:06:01Mikeobini download it from
11:06:16stripwaxMikeobin - did it say it needed a "special" build?
11:06:16pixelmaJdGordon: hey - what's up?
11:06:33JdGordonnm, when you get a chance, can you try out the new patch I just put up?
11:06:38JdGordonit shuold stop your mmc problem
11:07:13pixelmaI have to get rid of the second <MMC1> folder first :P
11:07:23stripwaxMikeobin - yes, phkTAPE should work ok
11:07:27*JdGordon just hought that it shuold probably splash "Recording to /" if the user dir isnt accessable
11:07:40pixelmaJdGordon: where can I find the patch?
11:07:48JdGordonpixelma: you want a custom build to be able to delete it from rockbox?
11:07:50amiconnIf the specified user dir doesn't exist and cannot be recreated, recording should fail imo
11:08:02*[mbm] wonders why the official builds don't include the patches
11:08:10amiconnJdGordon: Nah, we'll delete it with some disk editor magic later today
11:08:20stripwaxmbm - which patches?
11:08:42[mbm]stripwax: things like album art and resizing used by some themes
11:09:02JdGordonfrom my quick look at the rec screen code, I dont know how to check if the file couldnt be opened... so I just work of the drectory name and asume that if its not on the mc then it is always writable
11:09:13stripwaxmbm - well.. because the rockbox devs disagree with the way those patches have been implemented and because they conflict with the way the devs want to extend the ui.
11:09:46[mbm]just a pain that I can't use some themes with the official build
11:09:58[mbm]and there aren't too many unofficial builds for the 5.5 yet
11:10:06JdGordonnoone is forcing you to use the offical build thoigh....
11:10:17stripwaxmbm - or because they have bugs or are incomplete in some way. if you want to use themes that require those patches, you can use a patched build. or build your own :) doesn't evilg have all the patches you need?
11:10:20[mbm](and yes, I can compile but I'm lazy)
11:10:21amiconnJdGordon: The recording screen handles the file issues... just the directory is special
11:11:07[mbm]stripwax: evilg was missing the bmp resize on the 5.5 build
11:11:22pixelma[mbm]: unless you have a 80GB 5.5g you should be fine with the custom builds
11:11:32JdGordonisnt it a safe bet that the only directory which cannot be created is the mmc one? which would only happen if its not inseerted?
11:11:34*[mbm] has an 80G 5.5
11:12:11amiconnJdGordon: No it's not. There is a ton of reasons why a directory cannot be created, also on the internal storage
11:12:20[mbm]only a matter of time before the custom builds catch up I suppose
11:12:25JdGordonbah, ok then
11:12:30[mbm]just an annoyance
11:12:33stripwaxmbm - evilg works on 80g, do you need bmpresize?
11:12:43amiconnDisk full, directory too long, file system inconsistency, whatever
11:12:52[mbm]stripwax: not getting any album art
11:13:03Mikeobinmbm: i must downnload a special build? to work thems?
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11:13:19JdGordonright, but unless the config file was edited manually, the only way to set the rec dir is choosing an already existing directory
11:13:48amiconnJdGordon: And who says that a directory once existing will exist for eternity?
11:13:55stripwaxMikeobin - no, not quite. please read what I said earlier. phkTAPE theme should work on the official rockbox build. Let us know if it does not.
11:14:01JdGordonamiconn: ok you win :p
11:14:30*JdGordon was really just looking for a wa to stay out of the worst of the recording screen code
11:14:40amiconnThe config file can be months old.. or someone could have edited it... the disk could have been cleaned up etc etc
11:14:46stripwaxmbm - hm, what size are your bmps?
11:15:12[mbm]stripwax: hmm good question, most of them were from the itunes automatic album art
11:15:50amiconnImho the recording screen should try to create the lowest-level dir if it's not there. If that fails, just fail with a splash
11:16:02stripwaxI resize all my albumart to 100x100. But.. fullsize albumart images would be handy for this ;-)
11:16:03amiconnIt already does that in case the selected dir is /recordings
11:16:19*stripwax wonders what size itunes albumart comes out at
11:16:30amiconnFor current dir of course no check is necessary
11:17:20JdGordonI still think it shhuold not fail, but write to / instead
11:17:31amiconnI don't think trying to recreate a whole missing tree is necessary (.e.g if recording dir is set to /recordings/concerts and both levels are missing, just fail)
11:17:45amiconnI don't think so
11:17:50[mbm]stripwax: I have no intentions of manually resizing since it would destroy the originals and would probably be a pain in the ass to do
11:18:23stripwaxmbm true
11:18:34JdGordonI barely ever record, but I know that if I set a record and left in a hury only to come back later and see it didnt I would be pissed
11:18:41stripwaxanyway, i'm sure evilg will add bmpresize patch to his build. my local build uses it, seems to work ok
11:18:50amiconn(1) A couple of reasons why creating a dir fails would also make recording to / fail (2) Rockbox should never silently change user-set preferences in the background.
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11:19:13amiconnWe've been through that; it was the reason why the silent treble/bass reduction on high volume was removed
11:19:15[mbm]stripwax: if it comes to it I may start doing my own builds and tossing them on
11:19:20JdGordonI disagre... its the same as displaying the default wps if the user one was borked..
11:19:31amiconnThat's a different thing
11:19:50JdGordonno its not... the output still is the same, just in a different place
11:19:54stripwaxmbm - which patches do you *need* need? I can schlep you a build with albumart, bmpresize + scrolling margins
11:20:02JdGordonthe treble/bass option changes the output
11:20:11amiconnIt's not the same...
11:20:17[mbm]stripwax: I'll take as much eyecandy as I can get ;)
11:20:20*amiconn doesn't want to go hunting recordings
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11:20:31JdGordonno hunting... its either i your dir, or /
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11:21:09amiconnAnd it's not that you would set up a recording, leave and then notice it didn't record...because it would immediately splash the message that the recording dir could not be created *when entering the recording screen*
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11:21:20amiconnIn that case you wouldn't be able to start a recording....
11:21:29pixelmamaybe put it in /recordings (and create the dir if necessary) as it does now?
11:21:40amiconnThat could also fail....
11:21:56amiconnAnd it's not true that changing the dir doesn't change the output
11:22:01pixelmawhat happens atm if it fails?
11:22:10PaulJamI agree with JdGordon here. i mean if you want to record something, the most important part ist the fact that you are recording. you'll always be able to find the recorded file afterwards, especially if it is in the root dir.
11:22:14amiconnIt splashes and exists
11:22:17stripwaxmbm - lemme know if this helps you out at all: it's a 64mb video build with those patches
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11:22:52amiconnImagine wavr ecording on an Ondio, and the dir on a 4GB MMC could not be created... it would start recording on / which is internal flash... only 128MB
11:23:01amiconnNice capacity for wav recording (!)
11:23:45[mbm]stripwax: ok, I'll download it now and try it out later
11:23:53JdGordonthats a very special case though
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11:24:06amiconnpixelma: There's a very easy way to see what it does: Delete an existing /recordings dir, and create an (empty) file called 'recordings'
11:24:29amiconnThen enter the recording screen. It cannot create the dir because a file with the same name already exists
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11:29:11webguest65hi, for some reason there doesn't seem to be a h120 build available on the current build page. is it now the same as the h100/h115 builds?
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11:31:06Mikeobingays i have 13497 version and phtape dosent work!!! can anyone tell me the steps to install a theme?
11:31:10Mikeobinthanks a lot!!!
11:32:06pixelmawebguest65: I don't think so - afaik those have smaller RAM. Looks like an issue with a new buildserver
11:32:50scorchewebguest65: there should be an h120 build there...hence why i paged Bagder
11:33:04scorche"says" i assume
11:33:06stripwaxMikeobin - ok try this
11:33:38webguest65so is there any other way to get a current build? (other than building it myself which I can't do from this computer)
11:33:51stripwaxMikeobin -
11:34:03daurnimatorare there any alternatives to atapwd?
11:34:04scorchewebguest65: wait a bit?
11:34:08PaulJamconcerning amiconns example with recording on ondio and MMC, wouldn't it be possible to solve this by showing a splash "Can't create directory. Recording to /" so the user knows it isn't recording to the MMC card?
11:34:30stripwaxMikeobin - unzip that zip file directly into the root of your mp3 player (so the .rockbox file overwrites the .rockbox file on your mp3 player)
11:34:38webguest65twiddling thumbs...
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11:34:59stripwaxMikeobin - then select that theme on your mp3 player. Let us know if it works.
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11:36:59*stripwax waits .. time passes ..
11:37:12scorchestripwax: doesnt it usually?
11:38:54[mbm]the longer I have to wait the less time passes
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11:43:03Learwebguest65: You can always grab a daily build. Not quite as up to date, but...
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11:46:57JdGordonanyone object to me closing FS #7223? its a nice idea but not really possible with the current code
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11:52:08pixelmaPaulJam, JdGordon: IMO there should at least be a splash to show that there's a problem - when entering the recording screen and maybe when you start the recording. And in my eyes it's not an Ondio only issue, there can be other reasons why rockbox can't create a certain directory (not enough diskspace, too long path or whatever)
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11:52:53JdGordonfor sure there shhuold e a splash.. the argument is weather it shhuold record or not :)
11:53:36JdGordonif path is too long then it makes sense to rec to /
11:53:46JdGordonif there is n disk space then the rec would fail anyway
11:54:01srhi. I am looking for info on how to play video on my rockbox
11:54:16sr.mpg are really slow
11:54:27*JdGordon put a poll on the forums for this
11:54:35srI can't found any clear info on the wiki
11:54:48Mikeobinstripwax : i'm there
11:54:53Mikeobinstripwax : i'm here
11:55:07Mikeobinfor the delay
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11:56:03stripwaxsr - transcode to a lower bitrate perhaps?
11:56:10stripwaxMikeobin - so ..did it work?
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11:56:44stripwaxsr - any of this info help?
11:56:55stripwax(e.g. limit fps, skip framse)
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12:01:21srstripwax, that not really easy :-/
12:02:26srI'll try, thanks
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12:23:28JdGordonis the tagnavi_custom.config file read instead or tagnavi.config? or its adds to it?
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12:24:17stripwaxdid i miss anything?
12:25:07srstripwax, it works! thx
12:25:20sreven if this is annoying
12:25:34stripwaxsr - cool. what's annoying?
12:25:38stripwaxMikeobin, how about you?
12:26:11stripwaxis there a rockbox constant for native lcd bit depth in bytes? i.e. 2 iff LCD_DEPTH==16 or 1 otherwise?
12:28:40srstripwax, to have to convert the video
12:29:28stripwaxoh, right. it's common for all mp3 players (except dedicated video players) to transcode the video to lower bitrates (I think itunes even does this for ipods automatically)
12:29:29srbut, I'll write a shell command, something like "mvid2rb" which convert and then mv the file
12:31:04srw00t! tango icon set is really really great!
12:31:10srI like it so much
12:31:29*sr just updated his rockbox to the last build
12:31:50srrockbox is really a wonderful thing :-)
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12:32:37JdGordonSlasheri: ping?
12:32:56SlasheriJdGordon: pong
12:33:33JdGordonhow does the tagnavi_custom.config file work? is it a replacemtn for tagnavi.config? or can you use it to extend it?
12:33:46JdGordonI cant seem to find much inf on it
12:41:02Mikeobinok.your theme already works. but phtape theme doesn't work!
12:43:34stripwaxMikeobin - (it's not my theme). Probably, phTAPE needs updating. Rockbox has been improved recently and as a result some themes don't work anymore (those themes have errors)
12:51:46stripwaxMikeobin - which phkTAPE theme did you install? it worked for me..
12:53:24srmhh, is there a backdrops: property?
12:53:50stripwaxhow do you mean, "property"?
12:54:36stripwaxsr - a theme can set a backdrop using the "backdrop: /.rockbox/backdrops/blah.bmp" tag in the theme file
12:56:13srmhhh, I doesn't want to load my backdrop :-/
12:56:47stripwaxsr - does the file exist, does it have the right dimensions
12:57:12stripwaxsr - can you run the rockbox simulator ? if so it should show an error message if it can't load the backdrop..
12:57:36*sr is looking for the simulator on the wiki
12:57:45stripwaxsr - what device do you have
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12:58:04sriAUDIO X5
12:59:12stripwaxsr - your bitmap is 176x132 pixels. This iaudio x5 has a screen size of 160x128 ..
12:59:35stripwaxwhich is why i asked, does it have the right dimensions ...
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13:03:41srstill doesn't want to load it!
13:07:54srwhat the heck!
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13:08:34stripwaxsr - is it just the backdrop that doesn't load or some other part of the theme? can you set the backdrop explicitly (from the display settings menu)?
13:10:26srin which menu?
13:10:43srsettings->general->display->main lcd->?
13:12:00stripwaxsr - my mistake. no, navigate to the bmp file using the file list, and then from the context menu "Set As Backdrop"
13:12:02PaulJamin the display settings you can only clear the bechdrop. you set it from the context menu if the bitmap
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13:14:41stripwaxJdGordon - thanks for the followup on my sliding puzzle patch. Taking out the AA dependency has another advantage: with the current AA patch the mp3entry only includes the AA path if the WPS has albumart . Just getting the pathname means the sliding puzzle will work not matter what WPS you have
13:16:24srstripwax, it works now. thx!
13:17:03stripwaxsr - so it worked from the context menu but not when you load the theme? sounds like the theme isn't set up correctly
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13:19:42Alldogshipanyone knows how I can backup my ipod partition table? I got a fixed version for the 30GB Video (2048-byte sectors)
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13:23:55sneakumsAlldogship: i don't think you need to do anything to the default partition table for rockbox to work anymore
13:24:52Alldogshipthe one they gave in the wiki to convert from hfs+ to fat32 on a mac was wrong
13:25:28sneakumsoh, i don't know anything about hfs+ ipods, so never mind then.
13:26:15AlldogshipI finaly was able to download a windows iso, emulated it and now I got all my 30 gb space
13:26:57AlldogshipI thought there could be a "dd if=... of..." command to save it
13:27:55sneakumssomething like dd if=/dev/sda of=blort bs=512 count=1, changing if= and of= to suit
13:28:07sneakumsin particular if= needs to point to the whole disk device, not to a partition
13:28:11sneakumsdunno what those are on os x though
13:28:35Alldogshipbs is byte sector? mine has 2048 b sector size
13:29:00sneakumsthe mbr is just the first 512 bytes regardless
13:29:56sneakumser, for x86-type disks anyway
13:30:03sneakumsmac partition tables are different, i just remembered
13:30:21*Alldogship got intel
13:31:37sneakumsoh, i thought you had a hfs ipod
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13:32:41Alldogshipi had. I installed windows for the 100% sure way to convert it
13:33:28sneakumswell, a hfs ipod will have a mac-style partition table
13:34:42Alldogshipnow I finaly got fat32 with rockbox and my full 30gb
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13:35:22Alldogshipwill try reinstalling late with this partition table before submitting it
13:37:14Alldogshipthank you for your help
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13:40:34kaydehow do i install a theme into a 4g ipod?
13:40:43kaydewhere do i put the fule?
13:40:45stripwaxkayde - what does the manual say?
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13:41:03kaydestripwax: nothing
13:41:38kaydestripwax: where do i place the downloaded file?
13:42:20stripwaxkayde - if it's a zip file, extract it into the root of your mp3 player
13:42:34kaydenot into the.rockbox folder?
13:42:35stripwaxif it's a zip file it should contain a folder called ".rockbox" by the way
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13:42:43stripwaxkayde - what does the zip file contain
13:42:58kayde.rockbox, then a few sub-folders
13:43:10kaydei want to install a few choices
13:43:28stripwaxkayde - unzip the zip fil into the root of your mp3 player
13:43:42otihis there any chance zu build all rockboxes with the script for myone, to have all models in ccache?
13:43:53stripwaxotih - I don't know what that means
13:43:53otih( build server )
13:44:49otihmy server is one of the buildservers ... i wanna build all rockbox models, so i have all in ccache ... i wanna compile faster
13:44:55stripwaxkayde - this page tells you to do the same thing:
13:45:08stripwaxright at the top - "extract the zip file into the roto folder of your player"
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13:46:49stripwaxotih - sorry, I won't be able to help with that (hopefully one of the official devs can pitch in)
13:48:08otihstripwax: np ;)
13:48:31kaydestripwax: thnx mate
13:48:51stripwaxkayde - did it work?
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13:50:30otihis there any rockbox merchendise? ;)
13:51:07stripwaxotih - of course!
13:51:16stripwaxwait ... wrong link :-D
13:51:41stripwax ;-)
13:52:59stripwaxI don't know if there's any non-us equivalent however
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13:54:24stripwaxlooks like we could set one up at ..
13:57:32otihi lost my, could anybody give me this file?
13:58:01stripwaxkayde - I guess I'll take that at as a yes .. 8|
13:58:04otihok i have. done;
13:59:29SlasheriJdGordon: sorry for the delay :) tagnavi_custom.config is included in tagnavi.config and can be used to extend or replace the default navigation
13:59:45JdGordonthanks, figured it out :)
14:00:01JdGordonyou cant replace a submenu of the tagnavi.config with it thuogh can you?
14:00:13JdGordoninstead of replacing the whole menu, or just includin it in
14:00:41Slasherihmm, i don't think you can replace anything.. just add new things
14:00:51Slasheriand change the root_menu setting so user wont see the old menu
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14:09:04stripwaxShould the first arg to read_bmp_file be const?
14:09:44JdGordonthe filename?
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14:10:18JdGordondoesnt make a difference...
14:10:33JdGordonread_bmp_file doesnt change it.
14:10:40stripwaxJdGordon : - it does if I'm writing code that has a const char * , because then the compiler complains ..
14:11:01JdGordonjust typecast it then
14:11:23stripwaxif a fn doesn't change the contents of its pointer args, shouldn't the referenced data be of const type? (apols if I'm missing something).
14:11:36Nico_Pstripwax: I think it should
14:11:38*stripwax thought that was the point of const-correctnes
14:12:46stripwaxNico_P - thanks. making it const sounds right to me too
14:13:03Nico_PI'm no C guru though
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14:14:59stripwaxJdGordon - sliding puzzle patch updated (including typecase to remove the const-ness from the filename)
14:15:50JdGordonill have a looky son
14:16:08stripwaxNico_P - "const" is an indication to other developers that the function does *not* modify the data pointed to by the arg (so they can use it safely without e.g. having to make a copy). So const filenames for APIs should be const ..
14:16:14*JdGordon sort of has foreground colour matching workin with user icon
14:16:31stripwaxi gotta head out, back later
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14:16:37Nico_Pstripwax: yes, that's how I understood it... I have a few of those in the WPS code
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14:16:53daurnimatorhey, JdGordon, I found out why atapwd didn't work
14:17:02stripwaxNico_P - yep, that's how it should be ;-)
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14:17:07daurnimatorits a bloody sata drive!
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14:17:36JdGordonin which case nothing i have would have helped
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14:18:10daurnimatorits queer actually
14:18:23daurnimatorI was damn sure its a pata drive
14:18:30daurnimatorspec sheet even implies it
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15:06:35Domonokylinuxstb: would it be possible to detect a 64MB ipod video with ipodpatcher ? (would make the support for this builds easyier in rbutil :-) )
15:07:28Nico_PDomonoky: can't you know that from the disk size ?
15:08:42DomonokyNico_P: that would be possible, but if you upgrade the harddisk in a ipod, you would have a problem :-)
15:09:17Domonokyand it would be nice to have it in ipodpatcher, because i use ipodpatcher to detect the connected Ipod in rockbox..
15:09:22Nico_Pgood point
15:09:57JdGordonI doubt you would be able to get that with ipodpatch
15:10:07RondomDomonoky: well, it think the device-id will differ (not sure, never looked at them)
15:11:10Domonokyat the moment i dont use usb device ids for detecting device, ( i dont know enough about it to make it multiplatform compatible ) :-)
15:12:07Domonokybut it would be nice if someone could code something.. but there are also conflicts between Device IDs on different Devices, but it would be a step forward ..
15:14:31Rondomshould be easy under linux
15:14:41Rondombut no sure how to do that under windows
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15:15:00DomonokyRondom: but not so easy in windows, and i dont know about osX
15:15:45Domonokyand i think Windows and MacOsX are the important platforms for rbutil.. linux users are more techie :-)
15:15:47RondomDomonoky: yeah, if you are lucky you also have usbfs (or something similiar) in osx
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15:16:38Domonokyi thought about using libusb (its multiplatform) but a bit overkill and would add a depencie..
15:16:40linuxstbDomonoky: Even though that patch has been committed, I would still like to do automatic detection, so we can use one build for all memory sizes.
15:17:07Domonokylinuxstb: that would be even better.. so i dont bother with it in rbutil ? :-)
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15:17:54Domonokybut device detection is still a issue in rbutil, it the moment it can only detect ipods and sansas..
15:17:57linuxstbDomonoky: Wanting to do something and actually doing it are two different things though...
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15:22:00DerPapstmaybe you could better detect it with scsi inquiry. mot sure if you are able to get the ram size of an ipod with that though.
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15:23:17DerPapst adds that to the iPL installer. it works on linux and windows.
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15:24:18linuxstbDerPapst: Yes, I've been following that. I may add it to ipodpatcher in the future - to try and allow ipodpatcher to be used on very broken ipods.
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15:27:55DerPapstlinuxstb: ok :)
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15:29:21Mikeobinmidkay are you there?
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15:41:20XbooXanyone know how many mHa the stock 80GB ipod video is?
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16:04:03rofflenow it will only play minidiscs
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16:05:33][shmaelHowdy, even
16:05:35][shmaelanyone awake this early on a Sunday?
16:06:14][shmaelGuess not...I'l check back later
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16:10:38JdGordonwhats the bst prog to do a binary diff on files?
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16:15:39DerPapsti like UltraCompare.. but it's comercial.. :-/
16:15:54XbooXhey DerPapst
16:16:02JdGordonsansa possibly have become turds with the latest e200 OF...
16:16:19XbooXi registered finally
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16:17:22DerPapsti've used it at my university.
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16:20:56JdGordonNico_P: hey, were there any bugs with the list accel patch?
16:21:34Nico_PJdGordon: pages scrolling issue
16:21:44Nico_Papart from that, I don't think so
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16:21:54JdGordonok, ill have a look at tha now
16:22:27Nico_Pit's still not suited for ipod or sansa ?
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16:23:50JdGordonim going to try it on the sansa.. but im guessing it wont feel right
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16:24:06JdGordonalso, Im pretty sure the ipod will still av the bug it had when i first put it up
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16:24:52Nico_Pon my gigabeat it feels nice
16:25:07Nico_Punfortunately I don't have anything else to test it on
16:27:13JdGordonworks fine on th sansa :)
16:28:00XbooXanyone know how to speed up searching for artists by first letter or when scrolling the list of all the artists on a 5.5G 80GB ipod?
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16:29:43JdGordonNico_P: whats the problem with page scrolling? sure it goes way to fast... but is that all?
16:30:26Nico_Pthere's no serious problem besides that I think
16:30:42XbooXi wish that was my problem :/
16:30:44JdGordonany ipod users around?
16:30:49XbooXright here
16:30:59JdGordoncan you try out this patch?
16:31:13Buschelhi there, does anyone of you know how to disable LCD on an 5G-ipod? i feel like having searched the whole web without any proper result...
16:31:18JdGordonshold make scrolling throuygh really long lists much less painful
16:31:25Nico_PXbooX: searching by first letter is a database feature IIRC
16:31:26JdGordonXbooX: can you compile your own builds?
16:31:49JdGordonok, ill do one for ya
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16:31:55XbooXcool bro
16:32:31XbooXis there a tutorial on compiling builds for rockbox anyware?
16:32:37JdGordonin the wiki
16:32:44JdGordonSimeGuideToCompiling iirc
16:33:48XbooXhonestly tho when i pick all the artests that start with A for example it locks it up for a good 2-3 min
16:33:54XbooXi had ignore on
16:33:56XbooXone sec
16:34:09JdGordonXbooX: if you could try that build and scroll up and down in the list, see if it does anything wierd
16:34:11XbooXsend away
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16:34:40XbooXwill do
16:34:48JdGordonI think the problem before was if yo stopped scrolling, the next one would still skip items as if you had kept scrolling
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16:40:29XbooXJdGordon: genious
16:40:35XbooXworks like a charm
16:40:50Nico_PJdGordon: looks like your patch is ready for commit :)
16:41:24XbooX5.5G 80GB iPod BTW
16:41:24JdGordonXbooX: nothing wierd happening?
16:41:39JdGordoncool :)
16:42:02XbooXdidnt do anything for searching A to Z
16:42:17JdGordondid you stop halfway for a tiny bit then continue?
16:42:18XbooXbut its a million times better going threw the list of them all
16:42:24JdGordonor go back the opposite drection?
16:42:52XbooXone sec gotta wait for the search of e to end
16:43:28XbooXhitting play/pause to abort dosent do anything here it seems
16:43:30JdGordonneed a better name for the List Acceleration Speed setting
16:43:43JdGordonmenu to abort i tihnk
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16:43:53srrmf, my rockbox is fucked :-/
16:43:53srit can't read files anymore
16:44:25XbooXi got a codec failure
16:44:27XbooXone sec
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16:46:40XbooXi cant play music at all
16:46:59JdGordonyeah, youll need to go back t whatever build you were using
16:46:59XbooXshould i try rescaning the database?
16:47:53XbooXthat totally fixed that problem tho
16:47:54JdGordondid you try changing directions?
16:48:08XbooXworks wicked
16:48:13JdGordonok sweet
16:48:32JdGordonwhos good at making setting names?
16:48:40XbooXi could get to the M's before id hit the B's before
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16:52:36*JdGordon blames XbooX for any complaints on the ipod
16:53:49XbooXhe he he
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16:58:57XbooXwhat exactly did you change JdGordon? will i be able to see that easy enuf?
16:59:30JdGordonthe list scrolling...
16:59:33JdGordonnothing else
16:59:51JdGordon4.0.3 is the correct gcc for sh right?
17:00:12JdGordonamiconn: you round?
17:01:31Nico_PJdGordon: that's the version I have
17:01:45JdGordoncan you do a rec build with the patch please?
17:01:51*JdGordon is getting a nasty error
17:01:58JdGordongood thing I checked before commit
17:02:11JdGordon/usr/local/sh-elf/lib/gcc/sh-elf/4.0.3/../../../../sh-elf/bin/ld: region IRAM is full (/home/jonno/rockbox/rec/apps/rockbox.elf section .ibss)
17:04:11Nico_Ptrying now
17:04:51Nico_Pno problem here
17:05:35JdGordonrec v1?
17:05:54Nico_Pyup... target n° 1 in tools/configure
17:06:19JdGordonah, seems im using a unpatched gcc... probably the reason
17:06:25JdGordoni guess its safe to commit then?
17:06:25Nico_Pyes, mine is patched
17:06:34Nico_PI think so
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17:07:35*JdGordon hopes your right :p
17:08:24*Nico_P too :)
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17:09:06JdGordonand off it goes
17:09:19JdGordonthanks for doing the sync btw :)
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17:09:35Nico_Pyou're welcome ;)
17:10:05Nico_Pany idea about the delta ?
17:10:30JdGordonno :) i did the compile to see...
17:10:36JdGordonwanna spoil the surprise though?
17:10:48Nico_Pno, I didn't look either
17:10:56JdGordon243564 is the rec size of svn
17:11:19Nico_PI've already deleted the build I made :p
17:11:21JdGordonshhuoldnt be more than 1 or 200 bytes
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17:15:58*JdGordon broke theplayer did me?
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17:17:53Soapso, JdGordon, does this do anything for iPods or not?
17:18:05JdGordonit does
17:18:13Soapi see your comment in the FS entry that "ipod code was removed because it didn't work at all..."
17:18:37JdGordonyeah, I saw that too :p
17:18:47JdGordonbut apparently it does
17:18:59JdGordonXbooX up there tested it.. blame him if it fals over :p
17:19:27JdGordon388b on sh is a bit :(
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17:24:13XbooXsorry i didnt test the play functionality right away
17:24:19XbooXi didnt think it would affect that
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17:24:44JdGordonnot play.. just the list scrolling
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17:25:28*JdGordon has to be awake in 8 hohuors, but is completly awake :(
17:25:34JdGordondamn insomnia
17:26:07*aliask knows the feeling
17:26:15*markun doesn't know it
17:26:19*petur yawns
17:26:54*JdGordon is off... and leaving too :p
17:26:54*aliask catches it from petur
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17:26:59aliaskYeah, me too.
17:27:06aliaskg'night all
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17:27:42*XbooX want to make it so when he plugs in his usb cable it just charges and doesnt go into transfer mode with rockbox
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17:28:53linuxstb_Nico_P: I was about to ask jdGordon, but as you synced it, you may know - can you explain briefly what the patch does? i.e. how it handles the acceleration?
17:30:46Nico_Pfrom what I understand it gradually skips more and more items in the list
17:31:09peturXbooX: read the manual, I think you should hold some button when plugging usb
17:31:15Nico_Pbut actualy it was quite a simple sync so I didn't look at the code much
17:32:10XbooXty petur
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17:42:46Buschelhi there, does anyone of you know how to disable LCD on an 5G-ipod? i feel like having searched the whole web without any proper result...
17:43:51XbooXBuschel: why would you want to disabe the LCD?
17:44:19Buscheljust for power saving
17:44:44Buscheli often use it at night
17:45:58XbooXi cant really help you there
17:46:21XbooXjust thought id ask why someone would want to do such a thing
17:46:40Buschelthat's ok :)
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17:52:47riftanybody use mpegplayer on ipod nano ?
17:53:01riftwith mpegplayer i have only 7/87fps
17:53:03riftwith mpegplayer i have only 7/8fps
17:53:08riftit"s normal ?
17:57:13n1srift: are you using the official rockbox bootloader?
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18:00:24XbooXn1s: what is the difference between the ipod linux boot loader and the rockbox one?
18:00:29XbooXor is it the same?
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18:01:42n1sXbooX: no, they are not the same, some people have had that exact problem caused by ipod linux loader, I think the new versions are okay tho...
18:01:59n1sbut as always we can only support the rockbox bootloader here...
18:03:01BuschelXbooX: You've tested the acceleration patch? I cannot see any effect when scrolling...
18:03:34n1sthe older versions of both ipl-loader and the rockbox bootloader do not start the COP correctly, which leads to some strange things..
18:03:43linuxstb_Buschel: I doubt anywhere on the web apart from Rockbox or ipodlinux will have any info about programming the ipod hardware.
18:04:01markunrift: no, it's not normal
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18:04:38Buschellinuxstb: a pitty, that's what i feared
18:05:51markunBuschel: has any of your sansa power saving stuff been committed?
18:06:44Buschelmarkun: no, that's what i was asking about. without further information one cannot improve the power saving. the sansa-patch does not work on ipod.
18:07:03markunBuschel: but it works on the sansa I assume..
18:07:26markunso committing (some of) it doesn't sounds completely useless
18:07:55Nico_PBuschel: to see the effects of the scroll accel patch you need to change the settings
18:08:29Buschelmarkun: i think so (haven't got one). the LCD-stuff has no effect on iPOD, i also disabled some device via evil hardcoding and using the define of PP5020.h -> also no effect on power consumption
18:08:57linuxstb_How are you measuring power consumption?
18:08:59BuschelNico: what do i need to change?
18:09:28Nico_PBuschel: the last two settings in display > scrolling
18:09:28markunBuschel: ah sorry, I assumed to sansa patch was also your work
18:09:46Buschellinux: via quite time-consuming battery bench and analyzing steepness of voltage over time
18:10:24Buschelnico: i changed these, no effect. do i have to restart or change other setting as well?
18:10:42Buschelmarkun: no problem
18:10:47Nico_PBuschel: in that case I don't know... you should see an accelration on long scrolls
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18:13:32markunBuschel: a multimeter would be a much simpler way, don't you think?
18:14:15Buschelmarkun: yes, in fact. but i've got none. so, after coding i go to bed and let the battery bench do the work
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18:14:57Buschelnico: did jgordon submit the version without iPOD-support?
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18:17:27peturI think it was for all targets
18:18:08*petur goes away to cook dinner
18:18:25linuxstb_Buschel: I've just tried it on my ipod, and can't notice any difference either...
18:20:03Buschelsomeone should tell JGordon...
18:21:07linuxstb_Although I don't have any long lists to test it properly.
18:21:19XbooXBuschel i did test that patch and it made a HUGE difference on my 80GB ipod
18:21:35XbooXsorry for the delay
18:21:42BuschelXbooX: but you haven't got the source, do you?
18:21:49XbooXno i dont
18:22:15XbooXJdGordon made it
18:23:10Buschelas far as i understand from the setting it should start to accelerate after some seconds of scrolling and accelerates each seconds then. my lists are definately long enough ;)
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18:23:35linuxstb_XbooX: What values did you set the settings to?
18:23:58XbooXfor the scroll speed?
18:24:14XbooXone sec
18:24:24XbooXi will tell you all the values you want to know
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18:24:57riftmarkun: i have used the video on the wiki page
18:25:27linuxstb_rift: Are you using the ipodlinux bootloader?
18:25:59linuxstb_Then upgrade it to the newest version. Or use the Rockbox bootloader.
18:26:50XbooXlinuxstb: speed 15, start delay 1000ms, step size 6px, bi limit 50%, screen scroll step size 16px
18:27:18linuxstb_XbooX: It's the list accelleration settings which affect the scrolling in lists.
18:27:26riftlinuxstb: do you know a we page to upgrade the ipodlinux bootloader ?
18:27:36XbooXlinuxstb: can i load the apple os from a file with the Rockbox loader?
18:27:44linuxstb_rift: No
18:27:49linuxstb_XbooX: Yes
18:28:59XbooXlinuxstb: got a link to the Rockbox loader?
18:29:36Buschel@all: Could anyone test my mpc-patch (#7166) against non-iPOD ARM-based players and non-ARM/non-Coldfire players (are there any?)? of interest is performance compared to trunk
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18:29:58linuxstb_XbooX: It's in the manual - the installation chapter. You may also want to read this page about advanced usage of ipodpatcher -
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18:31:39XbooXi set it to 0 stays the same speed the whole time, but on 15 without the patch it goes fast for the first page or so then it crawls horrably slow, with the patch it was working exactly the way you would figure it would on 15
18:31:42otihlinuxstb_: i have send you in private
18:32:26linuxstb_otih: Please just ask in this channel - other people may be able to help.
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18:34:32XbooXlinuxstb: is there any way to compare this file to the ipodpatcher i already have?
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18:34:57linuxstb_Compare what file?
18:35:09n1sBuschel: the only non-arm, non-coldfire players rockbox supports are the old archoses (which use SH1 processors iirc) and they are not swcodec, so arm and coldfire is all you have to worry about :-)
18:35:49Buscheln1s: that's one problem less :)
18:36:05XbooXok i must not be following and its in the manual im sure
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18:40:00riftipodlinux loader not start rockbox
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18:40:49riftFile : (hd0,1)/ROCKBO~1.IPO Err: open failed
18:40:59desowinit's in .rockbox/ directory
18:41:38desowinrift: (hd0,1)/.rockbox/rockbox.ipod
18:43:14riftnow the mpegplayer work fine
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18:53:12Buschel@all: ok, so my question is if someone with non.iPOD ARM-target could test patch #7166 regarding mpc-decoding performance. i am trying to check whether the compile-option -O1 will also bring better performance for non-iPOD, currently it is only set for iPODs.
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18:55:58otihok, there is my question: my server is one of the build servers, but it took a long while to compile the stuff with a new commit. Because of that i wanna compile all models manual with the dev script to have all stuff in the ccache. how to manage this?
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19:01:29XbooXrift: im loading rockbox from the root directory with ipl loader 2.5
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19:01:49XbooXis that a bad idea?
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19:13:13XbooXis there a difference between the ipod linux boot loader ipodpatcher, and the Rockbox boot loader ipodpatcher files?
19:13:28linuxstbotih: I'm not sure what you mean by "dev script", but I think you just need to build all targets (in your rbclient home directory, so you're using the same copy of the Rockbox source).
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19:14:54rifti don't know
19:15:22XbooXim totally confused with the loader part of this now, i got iPL 2.5 so im guessing this is the ipod linux one witch i used ipodpatcher to get on there.
19:15:35linuxstbXbooX: You should ask that in #ipodlinux - the official version of ipodpatcher is the Rockbox one, I don't know if the IPL version have released a modified version.
19:16:00linuxstbI mean I don't know if the IPL devs have released a modified version.
19:16:11linuxstbOr they may just link to the Rockbox website.
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19:17:12linuxstbipodpatcher is a tool to modify the firmware partition on an ipod. The version I release on the Rockbox website also has the Rockbox bootloader embedded inside it, so it can install that directly without needing it in a separate file.
19:18:05XbooXis there a way to get version info on the loared that is embedded into it?
19:18:40linuxstbIt displays that when you run it.
19:20:41XbooXipodpatcher v0.9 with iPL Loader 2.5d6 SVN-1409
19:21:15XbooXthat would oviously be the ipod linux one
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19:21:27linuxstbXbooX: Yes, so don't ask about it here...
19:21:39sevenwordshello everyone, what's shakin'?
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19:21:45XbooXwasnt planning on it ;)
19:22:10lxxso now rockbox working on ipod 80gb ?
19:22:39lxxwithout problems?
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19:22:51linuxstbNo more than any other ipod
19:23:05sevenwordsI was looking in the manual and I didn't see anything in the PDF about the WPS conditional tags for lock & unlock, would anyone happen to know what they are offhand?
19:23:27linuxstbTried the CustomWPS wiki page?
19:24:48XbooXlinuxstb should i uninstall the old bootloader or is it safe to just overwrite it?
19:25:22linuxstbIt should be OK to overwrite it.
19:25:30XbooXk thanks
19:25:40lxxafter i install rockbox can i return to official firmware?
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19:26:39lxxhow i can do that ?
19:26:50riftwith itunes
19:27:01otihlinuxstb: how to do that ;)
19:27:11XbooXnow i understand why rockbox goes into transfer mode the way it does lol
19:27:14linuxstblxx: Just turn the hold switch on as your ipod boots - before the backlight comes on.
19:27:24linuxstblxx: That will start the original firmware.
19:27:44linuxstblxx: Or just follow the uninstall instructions in the manual if you want to remove Rockbox permanently
19:28:02linuxstbotih: You haven't built Rockbox yourself?
19:28:16otihi have but without ccache
19:28:46linuxstbYou don't have to do anything special - the configure script will detect ccache and automatically use it
19:29:31otihok ;) thx
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19:36:02XbooXlinuxstb: the latest loader is loading rockbox.ipod from /.rockbox is that right?
19:36:19linuxstbAll Rockbox bootloaders have done that.
19:36:32linuxstbI mean all versions of the Rockbox bootloader.
19:37:20XbooXthankyou for your time
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19:38:21lxxrockbox its only one in the world alternate firmware for ipod or not?
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19:38:54*n1s doesn't understand the question...
19:39:25Soaprockbox and ipodlinux are the only two.
19:39:52lxxjust two?
19:40:05p3turlxx: and then I think there are some tools to modify the original ipod firmware
19:40:29Buscheli will leave, see you
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19:40:32Soapipodwizard is a resource editor for the stock firmware.
19:42:32Soapbut, to answer your question directly, yes: There are only two alternative firmwares for ipods. Count yourself lucky - most have none or one.
19:44:06lxxwhat's the difference between
19:44:17lxxrockbox and ipodlinux
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19:44:45n1slxx: that's like asking about the difference between apples and oranges...
19:44:56Soaprockbox is an audio player. IpodLinux is linux on the ipod. It can play audio, but not as well IMHO, and it can do lots of other things.
19:47:16lxxipodlinux support lossles formats like flac or ape?
19:47:25XbooXis it possible to load the apple os from within rockbox without using the loader? or fix my apple firmware with ipodpatcher?
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19:49:43lxx ipodlinux support lossles formats like flac or ape?
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19:50:44[7WoRds]ok so i looked in the wiki and the only lock and unlock tags are for the iriver and ipod. is there a locked player/unlocked player wps tag for the gigabeat?
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19:52:04lxxbut what file formats support rockbox?
19:52:19desowinlxx: rockbox supports flac and if you want just player firmware, use rockbox, it keeps battery life longer than ipodlinux
19:52:54linuxstbXbooX: Why can't you just restore with itunes if your Apple firmware is broken?
19:53:21XbooXi would rather not kill everything on it
19:53:33n1s[7WoRds]: yeah, those tags should work for the gigabeat.
19:53:49linuxstblxx: For supported audio formats, see the table at the very bottom of this page -
19:55:44n1s[7WoRds]: or rather the "mh" tag for keylock on the main unit should, HAS_REMOTE_BUTTON_HOLD does not seem to be defined for the gigabeat
19:56:17[7WoRds]thank you n1s, i will try them now
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20:00:34lxxwhy rockbox dont support ape?
20:01:22n1slxx: because ape is iirc not released under a gpl compatible license and is a very complicated codec for an embedded platform -> it would be slow
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20:02:42LycoLocoalso it's lossless (right?) so it's easy enough to transcode to FLAC which does work
20:05:01lxxyeah but if uncompress flac to wav its be working on ipod?
20:05:41n1slxx: rockbox can play both flac and wav files
20:06:28lxxofficial firmware can play wav?
20:09:15LycoLocoI don't think there's a single DAP that doesn't play WAV
20:10:02XbooXlinuxstb: would it be possible to use the hold to load the iPL boot loader instead of the apple os?
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20:16:13SoapXbooX: the Rockbox bootloader will load IPL.
20:16:19Soapyou don't need both bootloaders.
20:16:57linuxstblxx: Out of curiousity, what compression level are your APE files compressed with?
20:18:26XbooXis there a rockbox loader configuration file?
20:19:14lxx<linuxstb> i have so much i dont know
20:20:00linuxstbXbooX: No
20:20:25linuxstbXbooX: To load IPL with the Rockbox bootloader, put an IPL kernel called "linux.bin" in the root of your FAT32 partition, and hold PLAY as you boot.
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20:36:43XbooXif im going to update rockbox is it safe to not overwrite the themes folder? should i just overwrite the files that are in the new version?
20:39:26linuxstbYou should extract everything from the, overwriting everything. But that won't affect any extra themes you've installed.
20:40:11XbooXlooks like it wont affect my database ether will it?
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20:44:39jmusitshey all, I'm trying to load rockbox on my 1st gen nano and it seems to be stalling out while initializing the db any advice?
20:45:27SlasheriXbooX: database is affected only the internal structure has been changed (in that case export/import is necessary)
20:45:32badsheepymine did that when i had no files on it
20:45:59jmusitsyeah I've got no files,so should I just throw some on there?
20:46:37badsheepyeven a single one should fix it
20:46:47jmusitsok, cool thanks badsheepy
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20:48:16XbooX this has the scroll issue fixed for the 5.5G 80GB iPod
20:48:17z0de0has anyone returned a x5l to cowan with rockbox on it?
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20:48:34z0de0mine died :(
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20:48:48z0dethats better
20:49:30z0deno one?
20:51:20LycoLocoz0de: died how?
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20:52:47z0deit quit mid song and wont respond to anything
20:52:57LycoLococan you do a hard reset?
20:53:10z0dehow would i do that?
20:53:40z0deor do you mean the reset button on the x5
20:53:55LycoLocoI dunno, I'm just asking generic questions that I would use on my player
20:54:13XbooXhow can i force rockbox to go into usb data transfer mode when i plug in the cable?
20:54:18z0deoh right. then yes ive reset it
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20:57:15XbooXhold down memu XD
20:57:57z0deit wont switch on or respond to charger
20:58:01z0deor usb
20:58:42LycoLococan you pull out the battery?
20:58:42z0destill on warrent but with rockbox
20:58:49z0denot without opening it
20:59:33z0defairly sure is a hardware problem and not software
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21:03:41XbooX is it possible to fix the apple os/firmware with ipodpatcher?
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21:04:50desowinXbooX: ipodpatcher is to patch bootloader, to fix apple firmware use either iTunes, or if you're on linux use instructions from wiki
21:05:23XbooXdamn, i guess i gotta redo all my stuff then?
21:05:29linuxstbXbooX: Yes - see the answer I just wrote to your same question in #ipodlinux...
21:05:39linuxstbI mean yes to your first question...
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21:20:30z0deso anyone got any ideas on what i could do?
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21:30:35lxxrockbox support audiobooks?
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21:32:11z0deaudio books = music file with a person reading a book?
21:32:37lxxbut i mean bookmarks
21:32:44lxxwhen i stop listen
21:33:06lxxand when star listen again its starts from bookmark
21:33:09z0deyou can bookmark, may depend on the player
21:33:24lxxi have ipod80gb
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21:34:00z0dei dont know but i assume it would. might be worth checking the guide/wiki/mauna;
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21:35:09jac0bdo I have to reapply patchs to my build when I update my svn to current?
21:35:59lxxbut i dont know i cant upload mp3files audiobooks with bookmarks support books uploaded via itunes just like mp3 file how i need upload audiobooks?
21:36:27z0dei dont know, hang around and someone might anwser.
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21:37:19badsheepyyeah im sure you can just turn on bookmarks, i did it by mistake once and it confused me for hours :o
21:40:30n1sjac0b: that kinda depends on what's changed in svn since your last update, but it will complain about conflicts if there are any...
21:41:14jac0boh so when I update my svn it will complain about a conflict
21:41:27jac0bon the patched files
21:41:45lxxbadsheepy where i need turn on bookmarks?
21:42:07badsheepyi was looking, but i cant find my ipod to tell you sorry :o
21:42:08n1sjac0b: yes
21:42:28*pie-chan eats badsheepy
21:42:48jac0bcool so when I get a conflict I need to reapply the patches
21:43:04jac0bn1s: thanks
21:43:05n1slxx: General settings -> Bookmarking -> bookmark on stop
21:44:15linuxstb_jac0b: No, when you get a conflict you need to fix the conflict. If you tried to reapply the patch to a clean copy of SVN, the patches would fail in the same place.
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21:45:44lxxbut when i upload audiobook they dont shown in ipod in audiobooks folder its in folder with other mp3 files what i need to do to copy audiobooks in audiobooks folder on my ipod?
21:46:17linuxstbCreate a folder called "Audiobooks", and copy the files there...
21:47:53lxx<n1s> i dont find this settings
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21:54:29lxx <n1s> lxx: General settings -> Bookmarking -> bookmark on stop - i dont have this settings in my ipod
21:55:22linuxstb_lxx: Do you have "General Settings" ?
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22:04:40k0rnzwhat is a good video converter to convert DVD movies to ipod format?
22:05:21linuxstb_Do you mean ipod format (i.e. Apple's firmware) or Rockbox format?
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22:05:49k0rnzwhichever one
22:06:12linuxstb_Which ipod do you have?
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22:06:20k0rnzi want to mod both my ipods to rockbox and also convert some of my favorite DVDs to ipod video format
22:06:35k0rnz5th Generation 30Gb, and the new 80Gb
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22:07:02k0rnzgoing on a long trip around the world and want to get the program before I leave
22:07:16linuxstb_On the video ipods, you will want to use Apple's firmware to watch videos, not Rockbox. Discussion of Apple's firmware is off-topic in this channel though.
22:07:26k0rnzok thanks
22:07:48Lloreank0rnz: Try, if I recall the site properly
22:07:58LloreanIt's video conversion in general, but it's likely to have some help
22:08:08k0rnzoh yeah, its been years since I been there
22:08:16k0rnzthanks Mr. DeLorean
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22:12:24lxx<linuxstb_> yes
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22:13:03lxxi hava settings
22:13:09lxxnot general
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22:14:01a1titudeis there a way to change the backlight brightnes on the iPod?
22:14:06linuxstb_lxx: In the Settings menu, you should have an entry "General Settings".
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22:15:13lxxno i dont have it
22:15:26linuxstb_lxx: You are running Rockbox?
22:15:59lxxofficial firmware
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22:16:29linuxstb_lxx: We're telling you how to do things in Rockbox...
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22:23:55lazkaam i the only one who thinks the settings menu needs some work? most items are placed kind of random
22:24:41badsheepyi dont think its entirely intuitive, took me a while to find dircache to begin with
22:25:10linuxstb_lazka: No, I think everyone agrees the settings need reorganising
22:25:15Lloreanlazka: They make sense to the people who put them where they did, but anyone's free to try to come up with a better layout.
22:25:27LloreanThey're far from the most understandable for new people
22:25:40n1sand, the's so many :-)
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22:27:12*lazka is looking for a bug/feature report about this
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22:28:04n1slazka: there's some discussion about it in the wiki I think, or the forum maybe, the main problem though is that everyone want's it to be different...
22:29:12lazkahm, k thx. i just wanted to know if people are aware of this
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22:30:16lazkaat least i would split the display menu into "appearance" and "display"
22:36:48badsheepysee i would hate that
22:37:08badsheepyhow do you decide what the difference is?
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22:39:28lazkabadsheepy: everything that changes how things look (wps, fonts, colors) -> appearence - everthing that changes hardware stuff (brightness, backlight, timings) -> display
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