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| 00:22:04 | Alldogship | I need to do a backup of my ipod partition table. is this command right? dd if=/dev/disk1 of=backup.bin bs=512 count=1 |
| 00:22:41 | linuxstb_ | Yes, if /dev/disk1 is your ipod |
| 00:23:49 | Alldogship | linuxstb: hey! thank you for your help the last time. never found what was wrong so I installed windows. |
| 00:24:11 | Alldogship | now to submit it for the wiki faq |
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| 00:27:52 | linuxstb_ | How did you create it? Did you just restore with itunes? |
| 00:27:55 | Alldogship | changing wiki = bad idea. I think I'll contact one of it's main editor |
| 00:28:18 | Alldogship | restore with Windows itunes, the easiest way |
| 00:28:46 | linuxstb_ | The partition tables aren't hosted on the wiki - they're on download.rockbox.org. |
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| 00:30:02 | linuxstb | Do you have some webspace you can put it on temporarily? Or you could DCC it or email it to me. |
| 00:31:33 | Alldogship | I'm used the fat32 wiki page as instructions so I guessed I should email chapman (he's on the main page, yay!) |
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| 00:31:48 | linuxstb | That would be me... |
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| 00:32:06 | Alldogship | d'oh! uploading it somewhere |
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| 00:36:41 | Alldogship | darn crazy web2.0 file sharing site. http://www.box.net/shared/83ge49oy49 |
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| 00:40:47 | Alldogship | linuxstb: back in 30min to see if all is right |
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| 00:42:41 | webguest70 | hi |
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| 00:43:56 | p3tur | hi |
| 00:44:31 | webguest70 | i need help |
| 00:44:48 | saratoga | webguest: ask a question |
| 00:45:15 | webguest70 | do i need to have iPL in order to install rockbox? |
| 00:45:39 | Domonoky_ | webguest70: no, ipl isnt needed for rockbox |
| 00:45:45 | saratoga | webguest70: no, in fact we do not even support iPL |
| 00:46:26 | webguest70 | so then i only need to "add" or install rockbox over apple software? |
| 00:46:45 | linuxstb | webguest70: The Rockbox manual has installation instructions |
| 00:46:48 | saratoga | webguest70: have you read the manual? |
| 00:46:53 | saratoga | bah too slow |
| 00:47:18 | webguest70 | yes. execute ipodpatcher....copy .rockbox folder...correct |
| 00:47:24 | Nico_P | wow Domonoky_ you just hit r13500 :) |
| 00:47:38 | Domonoky_ | :-) |
| 00:47:44 | linuxstb | webguest70: Almost - do it in the opposite order. |
| 00:48:07 | webguest70 | ya thats what i meant...but i get "no partition found" error |
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| 00:48:43 | linuxstb | webguest70: Do you have a "macpod" ? |
| 00:49:06 | webguest70 | no its fat32.. |
| 00:49:25 | webguest70 | when executing ipodpatcher −−scan, it detects it as winpod |
| 00:49:28 | linuxstb | Which ipod? |
| 00:49:34 | Nico_P | Domonoky_: and it's also a nice commit... makes the manual much easier to read |
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| 00:49:50 | webguest70 | 80 GB video |
| 00:49:59 | Domonoky_ | Nico_P: yes :-) |
| 00:50:18 | linuxstb | webguest70: Are you running the very latest ipodpatcher? It should say "v1.0 with v1.1 bootloaders" when you run it. |
| 00:50:23 | saratoga | do we have a theory why battery life on the Sansa is so much closer to retail then the other PP targets? |
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| 00:51:04 | Llorean | saratoga: My personal theory is that the Sansas have a much bigger battery, but the retail firmware drains it a lot more quickly. |
| 00:51:05 | linuxstb | webguest70: And does the bootloader itself display a version number (before the "no partition found" message) ? |
| 00:51:15 | webguest70 | that is correct |
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| 00:51:49 | webguest70 | IPOD version 0xFFFFFFFF |
| 00:52:00 | Nico_P | Domonoky_: I get a warning with the manual : "HTML anchor x3-20001 does not exist." |
| 00:53:08 | Domonoky_ | Nico_P: thats either a feature the HTML viewer in wxwidgets does not support, or its wrong in the html, i dont know :-) |
| 00:53:14 | linuxstb | webguest70: What about the line before that - "Version: ...." ? |
| 00:53:26 | webguest70 | version 1.1 |
| 00:53:48 | saratoga | Llorean: you're right, google says 750mah |
| 00:53:54 | saratoga | thats bigger then a lot of HD based players |
| 00:53:55 | linuxstb | webguest70: Have you reformatted your ipod yourself at any point? |
| 00:54:09 | webguest70 | yes |
| 00:54:10 | Llorean | saratoga: That's the same as the iPod 5G 60/80, right? |
| 00:54:31 | linuxstb | webguest70: Rockbox only supports FAT32 formatted partitions on the ipods, so maybe you formatted it as FAT16, which won't be recognised. |
| 00:55:10 | webguest70 | in linux i used the mkfs.vfat -F 32 -S 2048 /dev/sda2 that command to format |
| 00:55:16 | saratoga | google says 600mah for the 5.5G |
| 00:55:40 | saratoga | sandisk must really have gotten lazy if they only get 15-20 hours out of that thing |
| 00:55:48 | saratoga | maybe they have the same problem we do! |
| 00:56:11 | linuxstb | webguest70: And the Apple firmware works on your ipod? |
| 00:56:24 | webguest70 | yes |
| 00:57:04 | saratoga | webguest: an easy solution might be to restore your ipod using apple's software |
| 00:57:05 | webguest70 | after messing with it a little bit (read breaking it) i restored my ipod to factory settings by loading the backups |
| 00:57:06 | Llorean | webguest70: What type of partition is your Fat32? |
| 00:57:11 | Llorean | It it 0xb or 0xc? |
| 00:57:27 | linuxstb | Llorean: If it's not 0xb, ipodpatcher wouldn't recognise it... |
| 00:57:35 | Llorean | linuxstb: Ah, right |
| 00:57:40 | Llorean | I forgot that was iPodpatcher |
| 00:57:43 | Llorean | Is it primary? |
| 00:57:46 | Llorean | That's the one that makes it not found |
| 00:57:56 | linuxstb | Again, ipodpatcher wouldn't find it if it wasn't... |
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| 00:58:14 | Llorean | I know we've had people install on iPods where the Fat32 partition isn't marked as primary in the past. |
| 00:58:21 | Llorean | Then the bootloader would say the partition isn't found. |
| 00:58:28 | Llorean | But maybe that was pre-ipodpatcher |
| 00:58:31 | webguest70 | its 0xb |
| 00:58:37 | webguest70 | how do i change that? |
| 00:58:43 | Llorean | webguest70: It's supposed to be 0xb |
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| 01:00:00 | webguest70 | when i run ipodpatcher it says W95 FAT32 (0x0b) |
| 01:01:14 | webguest70 | how do i check if its primary? |
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| 01:08:54 | webguest70 | do i copy .rockbox to /dev/sda1 or /dev/sda2 |
| 01:09:13 | linuxstb | webguest70: I can't remember exactly what the problems were, but I have read people say that filesystems created by mkfs.vfat on the 80GB ipod have problems. The solution for those people was to format it under WIndows... |
| 01:09:42 | linuxstb | webguest70: sda1 is the Apple firmware partition - there is no filesystem to copy files to. |
| 01:10:03 | webguest70 | so then restore it under windows than try again? |
| 01:10:20 | linuxstb | If you can, then I would. |
| 01:10:30 | webguest70 | oh...what if i cant? |
| 01:10:39 | webguest70 | no windows/macs available |
| 01:10:54 | Alldogship | have fun pirating windows and using vmware like me |
| 01:10:59 | linuxstb | webguest70: Then I don't know... |
| 01:11:26 | webguest70 | illtry some things than get back to you if i have more problems |
| 01:11:29 | webguest70 | grazie |
| 01:11:45 | linuxstb | webguest70: amiconn might have some ideas, but he's not around at the moment. |
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| 01:12:37 | linuxstb | Alldogship: I downloaded your MBR - it looks perfect, thanks. |
| 01:14:57 | Alldogship | linuxstb: glad I could help |
| 01:17:10 | linuxstb | Bagder: Can you put this file on the download server (replacing the existing one with the same name) ? http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/mbr-video30gb-2048.bin |
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| 01:58:06 | nightandsnow | I'm using a toshiba gigabeat f40, and rockboy runs too fast. I've looked on the forums and the documentation and have not found a way to decrease the framerate. What can I do to fix this problem? |
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| 02:10:06 | saratoga | if a hunk fails in a large patch, do the other files get written? |
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| 02:20:29 | Llorean | saratoga: Yeah, I believe everything gets written but the failed hunk(s) |
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| 02:24:36 | Nico_P | saratoga: you can check whether the patch applies cleanly before patching with −−dry-run |
| 02:29:49 | Soap | dang learn something new everyday! |
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| 02:31:48 | saratoga | thanks, took me a minute, but i got the hang of it |
| 02:38:00 | Nico_P | Soap: hehe, you can also have all the .rej files written in one single file |
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| 02:39:24 | saratoga | Nico_P: got it fixed, but that sounds useful |
| 02:39:27 | saratoga | whats the switch |
| 02:40:03 | Nico_P | −−global-reject-file=rejectfile |
| 02:40:34 | Nico_P | and this one gets created even when you have −−dry-run |
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| 02:56:19 | saratoga | what does the DSP_SET_SAMPLE_DEPTH parameter control? |
| 02:56:40 | saratoga | i'm wondering what the number of bits you give it actually changes |
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| 03:42:09 | Feral_Kid | I made a slight boo-boo... I was upgrading my firmware and forgot to update the bootloader... Now I can't get into disk mode to make the change and the firmware chokes when loading.... Any way to repair it? |
| 03:43:51 | Llorean | Feral_Kid: The Menu+Select then Select+Play always works if you do it right, you can't mess up the ability to do that. |
| 03:44:24 | Feral_Kid | This on the 4g with unsupported firmware... I thought that if I let the battery die, that it might go into disk mode when a little power came to it, but no such luck... |
| 03:45:00 | Feral_Kid | Llorean> So hod down Menu+Select and then Select+Play? |
| 03:45:35 | Llorean | Yes, as soon as the screen clears from holding Menu+Select, you hold Select+Play to get into disk mode. |
| 03:45:41 | Llorean | It's rare that you need to update the bootloader though |
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| 03:47:21 | Feral_Kid | Llorean> I don't know what the problem might be... And the holding of the Menu+Select does nothing... What I have is a screen that is locked with an attempted boot... |
| 03:47:35 | Llorean | What do you mean "a screen that is locked" |
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| 03:48:51 | Feral_Kid | Llorean> It started trying to boot, and there is some of the boot text, and part of the splash screen.... |
| 03:49:59 | Llorean | Boot text *and* the Rockbox logo? |
| 03:50:37 | Feral_Kid | Ok, I held down the Menu+Select and I am back to looking at the battery charge screen.... |
| 03:51:54 | Feral_Kid | So while it on the charging screen can I do a Select+Play |
| 03:52:18 | Llorean | You don't need to if you're already in one of the apple firmware screens... |
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| 03:53:06 | Feral_Kid | Hmm... Well, I have the device plugged, but it did not mount... |
| 03:55:18 | Llorean | Well maybe there's something else wrong with your iPod. If you've booted into disk mode or the apple firmware and it's not connecting, there's not much more we here can do. Either your computer or your iPod is having issues. But first, I'd suggest rebooting |
| 03:59:00 | Feral_Kid | Ok, how do I reboot it while it is in charging mode... And something interesting happened... I did a Menu+Select and the screen blanked...Then I did the Select+Play, and the ipod when into drive mode for a second... Then went back to the the charging screen... Then it booted again, and now the thing is in drive mode, although it did not mount on my machine... |
| 03:59:29 | Llorean | Well I don't even know what you mean by "charging mode" any more. |
| 03:59:34 | Llorean | There is no "charging mode" |
| 03:59:44 | Llorean | There's "Disk Mode" and "The Apple Firmware" and "Rockbox", and that's it as far as modes go |
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| 04:00:03 | Llorean | You can be chargin in Disk Mode, and you can be charging in the Apple Firmware. |
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| 04:32:53 | saratoga | anyone seen this error before? |
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| 04:34:58 | Zider | the quit error? |
| 04:35:00 | Zider | ;) |
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| 04:37:09 | saratoga5 | test |
| 04:37:12 | Llorean | You're here |
| 04:37:14 | Llorean | For the moment |
| 04:37:22 | saratoga5 | "/apps/recorder/icons.h:30:25: error: rockboxlogo.h: No such file or directory" |
| 04:37:27 | saratoga5 | that would be the error |
| 04:37:36 | saratoga5 | didn't realize my client thought that was a command |
| 04:38:11 | Llorean | rockboxlogo.h is one of those generated files using bmp2rb, right? |
| 04:38:24 | Llorean | You might want to try a make veryclean |
| 04:41:12 | saratoga5 | strangely enough it did get generated |
| 04:41:18 | saratoga5 | i'm guessing this is a bug in the patch |
| 04:41:33 | saratoga5 | are codecs not supposed to have access to plugin.h? |
| 04:44:50 | Llorean | I'm not sure |
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| 05:05:21 | saratoga5 | about creating a patch, how do I include a newly generated file? |
| 05:10:15 | Llorean | svn add it, I believe |
| 05:10:19 | Llorean | Then it should show up when you do the diff. |
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| 05:36:49 | saratoga5 | Llorean: the codec test plugin should work with any codec right? |
| 05:37:06 | saratoga5 | i want to ax the wma2wav test plugin, but I'm not sure if its still needed |
| 05:38:08 | Llorean | It should work with any codec, as far as I know. |
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| 05:38:15 | Llorean | But you'd have to ask linuxstb if there are any specific rules |
| 05:39:33 | saratoga5 | sounds good |
| 05:39:50 | saratoga5 | I'd rather do my codec tests in a way that spits out runtime info anyway |
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| 06:03:42 | sitwon | I looked on the website and forums but did not see any specific information... What is needed to get Rockbox working on Sansa e200R and is there anything I can do to help with that effort? |
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| 06:04:34 | saratoga5 | sitwon: theres a large sansa e200r thread in the new ports forum and a much larger Sansa e200 thread |
| 06:04:43 | saratoga5 | everything thats been done is dicussed in those two threads |
| 06:05:16 | sitwon | Thanks saratoga5 |
| 06:05:19 | saratoga5 | as I recall, the issue is that no one has found a way to get the e200r bootloader to load 3rd party software, so while we can flash an e200 into anything (even an e200r), we can't flash an e200 at all |
| 06:05:37 | saratoga5 | should be "can't flash an e200r at all" |
| 06:06:50 | sitwon | is that because of a difference in hardware? It was mentioned somewhere on the website that there was encryption on the e200r |
| 06:07:13 | saratoga5 | no the hardware is identical, you can even turn an e200 into an R just by flashing the firmware |
| 06:07:29 | saratoga5 | just the firmware that comes on the e200R won't accept third party updates |
| 06:07:36 | saratoga5 | so we have no way to install anything on it |
| 06:07:50 | saratoga5 | short of desoldering the flash chip and reprogramming it |
| 06:08:06 | Llorean | We need to know how to sign it properly. With the e200, you could just essentially tell it "this file isn't encrypted" and it would load it. |
| 06:08:38 | Llorean | We also has the bootloader .rom file which contained the key, if I understand correctly, so we could encrypt if necessary. |
| 06:09:03 | saratoga5 | I remember some speculation that it might be possible to use one of the sansa's many repair modes to overwrite the flash with the stock e200 rom, but I don't believe anyone ever worked out how to do that |
| 06:09:27 | Llorean | saratoga5: It's quite probably using the e200tool someone could manage that. |
| 06:09:32 | Llorean | Of course, it's also relatively dangerous |
| 06:09:55 | saratoga5 | yeah the e200r doesn't seem worth the effort anyway |
| 06:09:57 | Llorean | If the hardware is exactly identical, I believe the e200tool could write an e200 non-R flash bootloader (I think) |
| 06:10:00 | saratoga5 | theres not that many of them out there |
| 06:10:14 | Llorean | Well, it would hardly be an ideal solution anyway |
| 06:10:36 | Llorean | The program doesn't, or hardly, works in windows, is somewhat difficult to use on linux, and requires entering a specialty mode and pressing the right buttons in the right way at the right time. |
| 06:10:55 | sitwon | I was looking for a replacement for my dead Neuros II and had to go to three stores to find an e280 |
| 06:10:57 | Llorean | You'd end up with a lot of "bricked" Sansas from people not quite getting it right, I think |
| 06:11:22 | * | Llorean hasn't even managed to successfully use the tool because it hates his VMWare image. |
| 06:11:25 | sitwon | Radioshack only carries the e260, Bestbuy only caries e200rs |
| 06:11:30 | saratoga5 | sitwon: in the US at least its much cheaper to buy online |
| 06:12:14 | saratoga5 | though i recommend that if you get it from amazon, you pay 5 dollars more for expediated shipping |
| 06:12:24 | saratoga5 | the eta on the free shipping option is currently 3 weeks for me :( |
| 06:12:36 | saratoga5 | should have paid 5 dollars for 4 day delivery |
| 06:12:43 | saratoga5 | or whatever it was |
| 06:13:00 | sitwon | I didn't want to wait so I drove around and finally found an e280 at Circuit City |
| 06:13:45 | sitwon | but my brother already had an e260r and I was hoping i could get Rockbox on his too |
| 06:14:20 | saratoga5 | easiest way would be to try and exchange it |
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| 06:14:33 | saratoga5 | otherwise, you're in for some difficult hardware hacking i think |
| 06:15:15 | Llorean | saratoga5: Well, if e200tool definitely has access to the bootloader image, we could dump it with that, grab the key like we did from the .ROM file, and probably use that. Unless I misunderstand where the holdup is. |
| 06:16:10 | saratoga5 | Llorean: i don't remember much of the details, but i assumed the e200r signed the rom in order to prevent that |
| 06:16:25 | Llorean | Because if I understand, we can create properly encrypted .mi4 files if we know the appropriate key for the bootloader, we just don't normally because you can tell it that the data's all unencrypted and it'll load it (except on the e200R) |
| 06:16:41 | Llorean | Hm |
| 06:16:42 | saratoga5 | oh i see what you mean |
| 06:16:53 | saratoga5 | i'll go flip through that thread and see |
| 06:17:01 | Llorean | I have a friend with an e200R |
| 06:17:15 | Llorean | I haven't really shown much interest because she has no real interest in Rockbox. |
| 06:18:07 | saratoga5 | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9263.msg71411#msg71411 |
| 06:19:59 | Llorean | Ah |
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| 06:23:52 | sitwon | my brother didn't have any interest in Rockbox either until I got mine. I'm actually very delighted with it. I'm nolonger waiting on JoeBorn to deliver on the N3 |
| 06:24:24 | major_works | Speaking of the Sansa, I think jdgordon's last commit today broke the SD Card patch. |
| 06:24:41 | Llorean | major_works: So? |
| 06:24:57 | Llorean | There's no reason to expect a commit not to break one or several patches, it's very common. |
| 06:25:36 | major_works | OK... thanks for clarifying that. Is it equally common for the patch to be repaired? |
| 06:26:22 | Llorean | Patches are features that aren't in official Rockbox. There are hundreds of them out there, and there's no way an author could try every unofficial patch before making a change to Rockbox, just to make sure it doesn't break. |
| 06:26:35 | Llorean | If the author of the patch, or a user of the patch, is interested, it'll get "synced" and work again. |
| 06:26:44 | Llorean | In this case, it's very likely to get fixed when JdGordon has time |
| 06:27:00 | saratoga5 | major_works |
| 06:27:08 | major_works | Excellent. He was the last person to work on that particular patch, so I'd think he has interest in it. |
| 06:27:12 | saratoga5 | major_works: i looked at the patch, easy to fix |
| 06:27:24 | major_works | Maybe for you :-) |
| 06:27:32 | saratoga5 | he just added 3 lines in the middle of where the patch goes |
| 06:27:37 | saratoga5 | you just need to move them |
| 06:27:51 | saratoga5 | or delete them, patch, and put them back |
| 06:28:13 | major_works | I'll wait for Jonathan or another developer. I'm lucky I know how to use the patches and compile a build. |
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| 07:36:01 | w0lfie | heya dudes |
| 07:37:27 | w0lfie | i have a 5th gen 80g ipod with the rockbox daily build from about 5 days ago |
| 07:38:26 | w0lfie | is anyone aware of any problems when playing music for awhile, the rockbox will lock up. the music continues to play but the ui is not updated and no controls work |
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| 07:47:08 | JdGordon | linuxstb: you round? |
| 07:57:09 | Llorean | JdGordon: Does the scrolling acceleration thingummy affect scrollwheel targets or just those with buttons? |
| 07:57:31 | JdGordon | it wrks great on the sansa... |
| 07:58:09 | JdGordon | im not so sure about the ipod though.. that Xo.. guy said it worked, but thining about it, the reason the extra code had to go in was bcuase the ipod didnt send|BUTTON_REPEAT which would mean it wouldnt work |
| 07:58:21 | Llorean | I'll try 'er out on my Nano then |
| 07:58:26 | JdGordon | same for h10/gb if they dont send repeat |
| 07:58:36 | * | JdGordon waiting for sister to get home to use her nano |
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| 08:03:00 | Llorean | Yeah, doesn't seem to scroll any faster than normal |
| 08:03:04 | Llorean | I assume it comes with sound defaults? |
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| 08:07:46 | JdGordon | Llorean: yeah, quite sane defaults |
| 08:08:14 | Llorean | Just making sure I didn't need to set something to see a difference |
| 08:08:15 | JdGordon | doesnt start accelerating for 1 sec, then only increases every 2.5s or something |
| 08:10:24 | midkay | Llorean: it works for me.. |
| 08:10:46 | Llorean | midkay: Scrolling seemed to be the exact same speed on my Nano |
| 08:10:49 | * | Llorean could be wrong |
| 08:10:50 | midkay | Llorean: go to a large list of files, i.e. the Tracks entry in database.. just scroll constantly, it'll start jumping ahead.. |
| 08:10:57 | midkay | it doesn't actually scroll faster, just starts skipping entries. |
| 08:11:14 | Llorean | That's effectively the same thing, though |
| 08:11:18 | midkay | you'll soon notice that it's nearly scrolling by pages instead of lines.. |
| 08:11:22 | Llorean | I meant that the speed it progressed through the list did not seem to change |
| 08:11:30 | midkay | Llorean: works for me. also make sure your finger stays on the wheel constantly.. it only seems to work with button_repeat. |
| 08:11:45 | midkay | i lowered the defaults quite a bit so it speeds up more.. but i was able to notice it, i thought.. |
| 08:12:05 | Llorean | Ah, yeah, I *think* I see a change |
| 08:12:12 | Llorean | I apparently don't scroll well enough myself. :) |
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| 08:12:33 | midkay | haha, i think it's a little subtle with the defaults, especially when you have to make sure your finger stays on the wheel. :) |
| 08:13:03 | JdGordon | defaults can easily be tweaked.. |
| 08:14:00 | midkay | JdGordon: for sure, i think they're plenty fine for button targets.. it just might be a little harder to see an effect on a nano, where it's a rather small wheel and your finger has to stay in constant contact or it gets reset.. |
| 08:15:12 | Llorean | midkay: And I have mine in a rubber case that makes that contact ever so slightly more unreliable |
| 08:15:49 | midkay | Llorean: yeah, so it's a little screwy.. |
| 08:16:46 | JdGordon | aparentyl works great on the video though.. so setting correct defaults could get annoyin :p |
| 08:16:57 | * | JdGordon hates those bloody rubber cases |
| 08:17:41 | Llorean | JdGordon: The only way to get my nano to live in peace with anything else I own |
| 08:17:46 | Llorean | I swear, breathing on the thing would scratch it |
| 08:18:00 | JdGordon | haha |
| 08:18:15 | Llorean | That statement might not be exaggeration. It's terrible. |
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| 08:55:00 | amiconn | hi B4gder |
| 08:55:33 | B4gder | morning |
| 08:56:30 | tbaGGin | anyone link or tell me a good theme? |
| 08:56:35 | amiconn | There are 2 problems with the size delta table: (1) the <td>s in the first column lack a 'nowrap'; the status table has that |
| 08:56:58 | amiconn | (2) The new build server seems to not give the values(?) |
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| 08:57:37 | B4gder | wow, how odd |
| 08:57:46 | amiconn | Hmm, in fact the new server seems to not give back binaries :( |
| 08:57:58 | JdGordon | its not only the new server |
| 08:58:34 | JdGordon | or maybe it is and i clicked the wrong link last night :p |
| 08:58:41 | amiconn | Check current builds: Player and X5 are missing as download and in the delta table - and they were built on the new server... |
| 08:59:16 | * | amiconn wonders whether it has to do with the domain name... |
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| 09:00:06 | amiconn | So (2) is actually a build server problem, only (1) is a table problem (which should be easy to fix) |
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| 09:01:53 | B4gder | yes |
| 09:01:56 | B4gder | (to both) |
| 09:02:03 | B4gder | "101 Warning: couldn't get zip from rbclient@datensalat.eu/build-player" |
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| 09:37:32 | B4gder | amiconn: #1 fixed in the code, #2 fixed by disabling the server (for now at least) |
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| 09:41:02 | webguest48 | I am having a problem loading rockbox on to my gigabeat f40 I ahve tried several times to no avail , do I have to format the giabeat first? |
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| 10:05:19 | sneakums | JdGordon: scroll acceleration works nicely for me when i set it to 500ms and 2x/1s. also it seems i suck at operating the scroll wheel. (80gb ipod.) |
| 10:07:35 | JdGordon | :) |
| 10:08:34 | * | amiconn still wonders why we need extra acceleration |
| 10:08:52 | amiconn | The button driver already does acceleration when holding the button longer |
| 10:09:26 | JdGordon | party pooper :D the butto dirver doesnt accelerate anywhere near fast enough |
| 10:09:40 | sneakums | possibly on the ipod video the line-skipping means fewer updates, so it doesn't bottleneck on screen updates? |
| 10:09:57 | JdGordon | no, it would actually make more updates |
| 10:10:01 | sneakums | assuming it ever does |
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| 10:10:17 | JdGordon | because it can only update 3 lines instead of the whole screen if you only go up/down one line |
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| 10:11:31 | JdGordon | amiconn: have you had a chance to look at the hotswap part of the sdcard patch re the ondio? |
| 10:11:46 | amiconn | nope |
| 10:13:13 | JdGordon | ok, If you d get a chance, plase have a quick look... I think there is nothin stopping that patch going in except we are not sure if it breaks the ondio at all.. |
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| 10:34:42 | JerryLange | my ipod currently says please wait very low battery and has a rotating symbol underneath that. does this mean its charging? |
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| 10:48:43 | JerryLange | amubpdu |
| 10:48:49 | JerryLange | anybody? * |
| 10:53:28 | linuxstb | JerryLange: That's a message from the Apple firmware. I assume you have it plugged into a charger (or your computer) ? |
| 10:53:50 | JerryLange | computer |
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| 10:55:06 | linuxstb | I would turn the hold switch on and just leave it. Turning the hold switch on means that when your ipod boots, it will start the Apple firmware, which currently deals with a very low battery better than Rockbox. |
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| 10:57:08 | linuxstb | B4gder: Can you copy this to the download server (replacing the existing file with the same name) ? http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/mbr-video30gb-2048.bin |
| 10:57:37 | JerryLange | ok im back. Its charging through the computer I think. |
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| 11:00:29 | JerryLange | how to i just make it charge without it connecting to the computer? |
| 11:01:14 | linuxstb | Hold MENU as you insert the USB cable. |
| 11:02:04 | JerryLange | ok and then the ipod still has to be on? |
| 11:02:51 | linuxstb | Yes. ipod's can't be turned off whilst charging. |
| 11:02:57 | linuxstb | I mean ipods |
| 11:03:16 | JerryLange | dangit that sucks. |
| 11:05:18 | sneakums | once you're out of disk mode it'll switch the backlight off, so it's not so bad |
| 11:05:54 | amiconn | Many targets can't be switched off while charging, not only ipods |
| 11:06:25 | amiconn | The only target that can (afaik) is the iriver H100 series |
| 11:06:45 | Llorean | The gigabeat too, sorta. |
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| 11:06:55 | Llorean | It has a charging status display on the screen, but it doesn't boot. |
| 11:07:03 | petur | and the new h300 bootloader.... |
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| 11:07:15 | amiconn | That's not true off |
| 11:07:19 | amiconn | Off = CPU unpowered |
| 11:07:24 | markun | Llorean: toffe found out it even charges when you plug in the USB cable, even if it doesn't show any charging indicator |
| 11:07:54 | Llorean | markun: Ah, I heard that. |
| 11:08:07 | amiconn | A charging screen hence counts as powered on |
| 11:08:24 | Llorean | amiconn: Ah, but markun just said that you can charge from USB without the charging screen. |
| 11:08:27 | Llorean | ;) |
| 11:08:33 | markun | :) |
| 11:08:45 | linuxstb | markun: Do you mean without the gigabeat turning itself on? |
| 11:08:53 | markun | linuxstb: yes |
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| 11:08:58 | markun | I tried it myself and it works |
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| 11:09:02 | Llorean | linuxstb: If you just plug in USB, it doesn't show any sign of activity |
| 11:09:04 | amiconn | Yes. So find out whether it actually charges with the cpu being off, or if it just doesn't enable the display... |
| 11:09:06 | Llorean | I didn't know it charged during that, though |
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| 11:09:46 | markun | amiconn: there is always some power going to the CPU because it's in sleep mode |
| 11:10:00 | markun | 0.71mA |
| 11:10:00 | amiconn | No true off state? Nasty... |
| 11:10:33 | linuxstb | There's a hardware battery switch... |
| 11:10:44 | markun | but then you can't charge of course |
| 11:10:48 | linuxstb | (which annoyingly clears the RTC) |
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| 11:11:22 | * | amiconn wonders why the more 'modern' designs often imply a step back in some respect :\ |
| 11:15:22 | amiconn | Store a fully charged gigabeat ~2 months, and the battery will be empty... |
| 11:15:32 | markun | yes |
| 11:15:52 | amiconn | Very nasty, especially since LiIon doesn't like deep discharges |
| 11:15:53 | markun | they say in the manual that you should switch off the battery in that case |
| 11:16:13 | linuxstb | amiconn: When you were developing 80GB support, did you ever reformat the ipod's FAT32 partition, and if so, which formatting program did you use? Someone reported "no partition found" last night on an 80GB with a partition formatted with "mkfs.vfat -F 32 -S 2048". |
| 11:16:30 | markun | I don't understand why the RTC needs so much power if you can run a digital watch for years on a very small battery |
| 11:16:35 | amiconn | I didn't reformat anything |
| 11:17:16 | amiconn | It's the original apple formatting afaik (unless LinusN reformatted it earlier) |
| 11:18:46 | LinusN | i have run apples reinitialization on it once |
| 11:18:49 | linuxstb | OK. He was going to try some things and come back if he still couldn't get it to work. |
| 11:21:44 | * | amiconn quite likes the G5's LCD |
| 11:22:15 | amiconn | Now if they would have chosen a non-glaring surface (like the blackberries), if would be even better |
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| 11:34:50 | sneakums | i find the ipod's shiny surface useful for checking that my fingerprints haven't been tampered with while i slept - you can't be too careful |
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| 11:39:07 | intgr | Yeah, finger burglars are alarmingly common these days. |
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| 11:43:10 | landan | i would just like to say THANK YOU for rockbox |
| 11:43:14 | landan | only found out about it today |
| 11:43:16 | landan | <3 cue support |
| 11:43:20 | landan | <3 bookmarks |
| 11:43:27 | landan | thank you very much! |
| 11:43:29 | david11 | is there a special reason wha gigabeat's are so much cheeper than iPod's |
| 11:43:43 | scorche | popularity |
| 11:43:55 | scorche | iPods are "hip" |
| 11:44:08 | Llorean | iTunes lock-in as well |
| 11:44:27 | Llorean | You're paying a premium to be able to use the music you've already paid for on the go. |
| 11:45:26 | david11 | but its not because the gigabeat is maybe bad hardware or something like that? |
| 11:45:46 | scorche | the gigabeat has much better hardware in most cases |
| 11:46:12 | scorche | well, it depends on your definition of "better" as well |
| 11:46:51 | david11 | if it accidently falls on the floor |
| 11:46:54 | Llorean | Well, it's got a faster processor, sturdier case, a standard USB port... |
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| 11:47:22 | markun | david11: it's also cheap because it's been out of production for a while and was never very popular I think |
| 11:47:25 | Llorean | david11: They both use the same type of hard disk internally, but I'd bet on the Gigabeat for taking less external damage. |
| 11:47:56 | linuxstb | david11: Also, with the original firmware, Gigabeats are unusable for lots of people.... |
| 11:48:08 | linuxstb | (although some would say the same about ipods...) |
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| 11:52:15 | markun | david11: are you planning to buy one? |
| 11:52:54 | david11 | if my ipod stays dead, yes |
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| 12:08:43 | doktoreas | hi to all |
| 12:08:52 | doktoreas | i just installed rockbox and initialized DB |
| 12:09:05 | doktoreas | now, the guide tolds that i sould go to main menu -> use db |
| 12:09:10 | doktoreas | but i can't see that option... |
| 12:09:36 | linuxstb | Which guide says that? You should just see a "Database" option in the main menu. |
| 12:10:02 | doktoreas | no database in main menu |
| 12:10:20 | doktoreas | Recent bookmarks... |
| 12:10:25 | doktoreas | till info |
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| 12:10:55 | petur | first entry should say 'files' |
| 12:11:29 | doktoreas | Main menu of rockbox? |
| 12:11:32 | linuxstb | doktoreas: Are you running the current version of Rockbox? |
| 12:11:40 | doktoreas | the one i access just pressing menu? |
| 12:11:49 | doktoreas | linuxstb, yes, installed right now |
| 12:11:57 | linuxstb | From which link? |
| 12:12:27 | doktoreas | http://build.rockbox.org/ |
| 12:13:20 | doktoreas | i't Rockbox Main Menu? |
| 12:13:26 | doktoreas | or in one sub-menu? |
| 12:13:46 | linuxstb | It's in the main menu - the menu you first see when Rockbox starts. |
| 12:13:51 | jaczehack | LinusN: one thing about having recording capabilities in the uisim, could it be used to feed audio to plugins if one should fiddle around with some effect processing or such? |
| 12:14:13 | petur | the rockbox main menu goes from Files to System |
| 12:14:20 | LinusN | jaczehack: yes, that might be an interesting use of it |
| 12:14:27 | cax | Hi. What can be done to fix #6896 ? Maybe you need a bootloader from Sansa hardware 1.1 device to understand what's wrong with rockbox bootloader ? If yes, I will try to fetch |
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| 12:15:23 | jaczehack | LinusN: in that case it could be worthwile to add recording to the uisim? |
| 12:15:34 | LinusN | could be, yes |
| 12:15:41 | jaczehack | Good :) |
| 12:15:43 | B4gder | cax: since the 1.1 uses the same bootloader as 1.0 we probably are better off to analyze what they do |
| 12:15:50 | doktoreas | petur, how can i access it? |
| 12:16:02 | jaczehack | but ill have a look at the ata-thing anyway, i think |
| 12:16:05 | linuxstb | doktoreas: When Rockbox starts, what do you see on the screen? |
| 12:16:12 | doktoreas | the files |
| 12:16:26 | doktoreas | and the folders on the ipod root |
| 12:16:29 | cax | B4gder: 10x for answering. Are there any known differences between 1.0 and 1.1 ? |
| 12:16:30 | petur | doktoreas: is this a clean install? |
| 12:16:40 | B4gder | cax: other than that problem: no |
| 12:16:49 | doktoreas | i removed the old .rockbox folder |
| 12:16:51 | doktoreas | and add a new one |
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| 12:16:58 | doktoreas | with update |
| 12:17:00 | linuxstb | doktoreas: Are you using the ipodlinux bootloader? |
| 12:17:07 | B4gder | doktoreas: remove rockbox.ipod from the root dir |
| 12:17:08 | doktoreas | LinusN, yes |
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| 12:17:57 | doktoreas | B4gder, removed...re run the bootloader installer? |
| 12:18:11 | B4gder | doktoreas: just try a reboot first |
| 12:18:19 | B4gder | or |
| 12:18:27 | B4gder | did you say ipl bootloader? |
| 12:18:33 | doktoreas | yes |
| 12:18:33 | linuxstb | doktoreas: The ipodlinux bootloader will look for the rockbox.ipod in the root (unless you install the very latest version of it, or adjust the ipl bootloader cfg file) |
| 12:18:49 | linuxstb | But rockbox.ipod now lives inside the .rockbox folder. |
| 12:19:02 | doktoreas | if i remove the rockbox.ipod file it says that is missing |
| 12:19:12 | linuxstb | That's what I just said... |
| 12:20:15 | doktoreas | ok i removed the old rockbox.ipod |
| 12:20:19 | doktoreas | and re-run the installer |
| 12:20:29 | doktoreas | ./ipodpatcher |
| 12:20:38 | Dwyloc | Anyone know if the resent change in minimum volume on the ipod 5.5G from -73db to -57db has a dilerate change? |
| 12:20:40 | doktoreas | it still says that the file is missing |
| 12:20:54 | jonno | To fix the left button in settings screens at long last) we have 2 options, the hard way - change the context back to CONTEXT_SETTINGS and update each keymap, or the easy way - just chec if BUTTON_LEFT was pressed... which would be best? |
| 12:21:07 | Llorean | doktoreas: That's because the iPL loader looks in the wrong spot. |
| 12:21:11 | linuxstb | doktoreas: What bootloader is ipodpatcher installing for you? Are you using the ipodlinux version of ipodpatcher with loader2 ? |
| 12:21:39 | Dwyloc | I think it happened on the 22nd of this month some time before the first patch for 80GB ipod support and official support. |
| 12:21:54 | Llorean | Dwyloc: I thought the minimum volume on 5Gs was always -57 |
| 12:21:55 | doktoreas | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ipodpatcher/linux32x86/ipodpatcher |
| 12:21:57 | doktoreas | i used this |
| 12:22:09 | midkay | Llorean: on the 5G, yes, it always has been, i know that for sure.. |
| 12:22:19 | linuxstb | doktoreas: OK, so you're now using the Rockbox bootloader? |
| 12:22:24 | midkay | i don't know about the others, but i haven't ever seen such a change. it's always been like that on my 5g. |
| 12:22:40 | doktoreas | linuxstb, yes |
| 12:22:52 | linuxstb | doktoreas: And do you have a rockbox.ipod file inside the .rockbox directory? |
| 12:23:01 | doktoreas | yes, inside .rockbox |
| 12:23:16 | linuxstb | So what does your ipod say when you start it? |
| 12:23:24 | doktoreas | is missing rockbox.ipod |
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| 12:23:35 | cax | Question about licensing. I am working on fMSX port, but the source license is not compatible with rockbox. Code author agreed to binary distribution. The best solution will be Rockbox.c loading pre-compiled binary as shared library. Is it possible ? If not, is there any other solution except distributing emulator myself ? |
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| 12:23:50 | Llorean | doktoreas: What's the exact message, word for word? |
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| 12:24:25 | doktoreas | Rockbox bootloader 1.1 |
| 12:24:30 | doktoreas | Loading rockbox... |
| 12:24:38 | B4gder | cax: there is no solution, and distributing it "yourself" is not one either |
| 12:24:43 | doktoreas | Can't load rockbox.ipod File not found |
| 12:24:49 | doktoreas | then told me to reboot |
| 12:25:27 | linuxstb | doktoreas: No other messages? |
| 12:25:33 | doktoreas | nope |
| 12:26:01 | linuxstb | Does it display information about the disk? |
| 12:26:12 | cax | B4gder: what's wrong with distributing binaries for various devices from my site ? |
| 12:26:24 | Llorean | cax: The GPL requires you distribute the source with them? |
| 12:26:26 | B4gder | cax: because that's a violation of the GPL |
| 12:26:53 | B4gder | you can't make a plugin that is GPL incompatible |
| 12:26:59 | jonno | anyone really care how the left in setting screens work as long as it goes back to being accept instead of cancel? |
| 12:27:09 | Llorean | B4gder: In theory could you make a .target binary that made use of RoLo though? |
| 12:27:27 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes, if you didn't use any Rockbox code... |
| 12:27:27 | B4gder | Llorean: yes, if it has no traces of Rockbox stuff in it, sure |
| 12:27:40 | Llorean | Yeah, it'd be a ridiculous amount of writing new stuff. |
| 12:27:40 | doktoreas | linuxstb, http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=200705281226261280x800sbi4.png |
| 12:27:49 | doktoreas | this is the booloader patch |
| 12:28:01 | Dwyloc | Llorean: Strange maybe I am just getting confused, I have too many rockboxed daps :) I guess I will just have to live with it being a bit loud. |
| 12:28:36 | cax | B4gder: if I publish my sources and give link to fMSX source, so everybody can assemble them himself, will it still be illegal ? |
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| 12:28:51 | Llorean | Dwyloc: The DAC on the 5.5G unfortunately doesn't go very low. But you CAN take advantage of Replaygain to lower it some more. |
| 12:29:00 | B4gder | cax: if you distribute them as binary/binaries yes |
| 12:29:14 | B4gder | cax: since you say fMSX isn't GPL compatible |
| 12:29:57 | doktoreas | on the ipod it say partition 0x0B 3859 |
| 12:30:50 | doktoreas | linuxstb, i can format it to restart all from scratch |
| 12:30:52 | Llorean | doktoreas: Where, exactly, is your .rockbox folder? |
| 12:30:59 | Dwyloc | Llorean: Thanks I had not thought of that work around. |
| 12:31:12 | jonno | anyone?? :'( |
| 12:31:25 | Llorean | jonno: Maybe a post to the mailing list is better. |
| 12:31:40 | jonno | bah woopsies |
| 12:31:42 | doktoreas | Llorean, on root |
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| 12:31:49 | linuxstb | cax: IMO (but IANAL etc) by building your plugin with the Rockbox plugin API, you're including Rockbox code in your binary. Hence your binary must be GPL compatible. |
| 12:31:54 | * | JdGordon might have more luck now :p |
| 12:32:16 | Llorean | doktoreas: We've found users often mean something other than what we mean by root, so please be more specific. |
| 12:32:25 | cax | linuxstb: my own rockbox-side code can be released with GPL, right ? |
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| 12:33:26 | doktoreas | /media/IPOD/.rockbox Llorean |
| 12:33:30 | Llorean | B4gder: In theory, since the fMSX source is available, just not under a GPL compatible license, he could distribute a patch against the fMSX source that a user could use to compile their own Rockbox plugin of it, right? |
| 12:33:38 | B4gder | indeed |
| 12:34:05 | * | linuxstb just wishes emulator authors would release their work under Free licenses. |
| 12:34:20 | B4gder | fMSX seems to use _no_ license |
| 12:34:40 | Llorean | All rights reserved unless you get special permission from the author, I suppose. |
| 12:34:45 | B4gder | "source code available for others to see" |
| 12:35:01 | linuxstb | So you can look, but can't touch? |
| 12:35:06 | B4gder | yeps |
| 12:35:11 | linuxstb | Useful... |
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| 12:37:21 | n1s | cax: there are apparently msx emulators which are licensed under the gpl available, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSX |
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| 12:38:25 | B4gder | yeah blueMSX "considered the best" is GPLv2 |
| 12:38:27 | cax | n1s: believe me, I know about all existing MSX emulators. I am a member of msx.org team :-) |
| 12:38:54 | B4gder | of course that "considered" is from the wikipedia page |
| 12:39:20 | cax | blueMSX is just not ready to be ported at the moment - it has C++ parts of code and is not fast enough |
| 12:39:23 | n1s | cax: ok, just be prepared that if your port isn't gpl compatible it will never be included with rockbox |
| 12:41:18 | n1s | cax: how about openmsx? |
| 12:41:36 | n1s | ah, c++ too... |
| 12:42:35 | linuxstb | cax: Rockbox has no mechanism for shared libraries, so IIUC your approach (writing a Rockbox plugin that loads a binary-only library) requires implementing your own library loader. |
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| 12:45:41 | B4gder | cax: how fast are these anyway? |
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| 12:46:36 | preglow | JdGordon: there's no attached patch |
| 12:46:41 | linuxstb | cax: Why not work on making blueMSX better, rather than putting a lot of effort into circumventing Rockbox's GPL? It would seem a much nicer solution... |
| 12:46:53 | JdGordon | preglow: ah bugger :p 1 sec |
| 12:47:14 | preglow | so, today is gsoc coding start, eh? |
| 12:47:31 | Llorean | So they say |
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| 12:47:59 | markun | my gsoc guy doesn't have time until the 10th |
| 12:49:56 | * | linuxstb wonders why everyone wants three different "accept" buttons in the settings |
| 12:50:50 | LinusN | linuxstb: because having Left cancel is a major annoyance |
| 12:52:16 | linuxstb | So what button is cancel now? |
| 12:52:25 | Llorean | I think every time left is pressed from within the settings it should randomly determine whether to cancel or accept, annoying both sides. |
| 12:52:49 | JdGordon | linuxstb: the menu button would have to be cancel |
| 12:53:16 | otih | linuxstb: any idea, why my server doesn´t build with the others ...? |
| 12:53:59 | linuxstb | JdGordon: So "menu" wouldn't be able to be used as a fast-exit from the menus? |
| 12:54:08 | linuxstb | (unless you press it twice...) |
| 12:54:10 | B4gder | otih: I had to disable it |
| 12:54:14 | B4gder | it was acting weird |
| 12:54:21 | B4gder | no binaries in the zip files! |
| 12:54:27 | JdGordon | linuxstb: menu doesnt d that now in the setting screen.. does it? |
| 12:54:41 | linuxstb | I don't know, but IMO it should/could. |
| 12:55:19 | otih | B4gder: how to fix it? |
| 12:55:23 | Llorean | Menu should pretty much take you from anywhere to the "Main" menu |
| 12:55:34 | Llorean | Much like Play pretty much takes you from anywhere to the WPS |
| 12:55:37 | LinusN | i agree that the menu key should take you to the main menu |
| 12:55:42 | linuxstb | But I'm happy with MENU as cancel - it at least means the same button can be used in all screens for cancel, which left couldn't be used for. |
| 12:55:51 | B4gder | otih: ah, I'm confusing matters. The problems were that somehow the copying of the zip files failed from your server |
| 12:55:52 | JdGordon | then left cannot accept... |
| 12:55:58 | JdGordon | we need a cancel button somehwere... |
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| 12:56:31 | otih | B4gder: perhaps you know a solution, but i have to go ... could we fix this later? |
| 12:56:40 | B4gder | otih: I have not had time to search for the problems |
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| 12:57:19 | Llorean | Left accepting would be contrary to my current usage habits, though I don't know if I was trained by Rockbox to think of left as cancel, or had that already. |
| 12:57:47 | otih | B4gder: you have the login, perhaps you can find any solution ;) see you later |
| 12:58:02 | B4gder | lack of time |
| 12:58:03 | stripwax | if left accepts, how would the ipod cancel a menu? |
| 12:58:12 | JdGordon | menu |
| 12:58:13 | linuxstb | LinusN: I know no-one else agrees with me, but I also think left-as-cancel is consistent with other behaviour in lists. i.e. in the file browser, pressing left takes you out of the current directory and does nothing with the file you had selected. Pressing select/right does something with that file... |
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| 12:58:55 | Llorean | linuxstb: I was thinking that too, actually |
| 12:59:31 | stripwax | fwiw linuxstb I agree with you |
| 12:59:38 | * | JdGordon also does |
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| 13:01:18 | * | XavierGr is very happy that this devcon decided against left = cancel behaviour! :) |
| 13:01:31 | XavierGr | that splash thing displaying "canceled" is the most annoying thing |
| 13:01:34 | linuxstb | But arguing against myself, left-as-cancel can't be used everywhere (the colour picker, eq, keyboard entry....), so at least in some screens, another button needs to be cancel, and I don't like assigning the same action to multiple keys. |
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| 13:01:51 | stripwax | JdGordon - which would you prefer, putting the bmp resizing in the pluginlib or just in the sliding_puzzle plugin? |
| 13:01:56 | Llorean | linuxstb: Those are non-list screens though. |
| 13:02:04 | JdGordon | stripwax: how big is it? |
| 13:02:06 | linuxstb | Llorean: So? |
| 13:02:26 | Llorean | linuxstb: Just in regard to the user logic, having a different button exit them isn't so strange, I think. |
| 13:02:28 | stripwax | JdGordon - how big is the bmpresizing patch? |
| 13:02:36 | LinusN | my view is this: leaving a directory is not the same as "cancel" |
| 13:02:41 | XavierGr | exactly |
| 13:02:49 | stripwax | It resizes on the fly, it'd be hard to remove from the read_bmp_file logic |
| 13:02:50 | preglow | indeed not |
| 13:02:52 | JdGordon | stripwax: yeah, if its not so much then put it in the lib, otherwsie just the plugin |
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| 13:03:01 | linuxstb | Llorean: But that's just an excuse - ideally I would want buttons to be consistent everywhere. |
| 13:03:13 | stripwax | JdGordon - will take a look |
| 13:03:46 | JdGordon | whats the tracker # for the bmpresize patch? |
| 13:04:16 | * | JdGordon found it |
| 13:04:16 | stripwax | let me search for you |
| 13:04:18 | stripwax | ok |
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| 13:04:24 | Llorean | linuxstb: Honestly, I'd rather have the ability to change most options with just the thumbstick on my H120, than all options with identical controls but requiring a side button for cancelling. But that's personal preference. |
| 13:04:27 | LinusN | since you use Left to leave lists, directories and menus, it is natural to use Left to leave the settings as well, but not to revert the setting yo have just chosen |
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| 13:04:52 | LinusN | it is simply unnecessary to have to confirm settings |
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| 13:05:00 | Llorean | I suppose this is true. |
| 13:05:12 | Llorean | Why not remove the cancel button altogether? |
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| 13:05:47 | LinusN | i guess we could |
| 13:05:54 | JdGordon | no! |
| 13:06:00 | * | JdGordon puts his foot down there |
| 13:06:11 | JdGordon | :D we need a cancel button |
| 13:06:14 | Llorean | Why? |
| 13:06:20 | JdGordon | because.... |
| 13:06:41 | Llorean | If a user wants to keep their settings, they just leave the screen from the initial selection |
| 13:06:44 | JdGordon | well... not reallly |
| 13:06:51 | Llorean | That way there's never _any_ ambiguity over what setting you're getting. |
| 13:06:56 | * | JdGordon starting to not actually care abou the cancel button |
| 13:07:17 | LinusN | it's useful, of course, to be able to revert the setting if you decide not to change it and forgot what it was before |
| 13:07:21 | Llorean | You could even go so far as having pressing the menu button confirm which setting you're on, and take you back to the menu, so there's no way to accidentally cancel. |
| 13:07:36 | LinusN | Llorean: i agree |
| 13:07:46 | Llorean | LinusN: I think the only settings really complex enough that you can forget what they were on before are multisettings like the EQ, where you can't effectively cancel the whole thing anyway. |
| 13:07:58 | LinusN | true |
| 13:08:06 | linuxstb | Why can't you cancel the EQ? |
| 13:08:17 | Llorean | There's not a way to do so at the moment, at least (afaik) |
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| 13:09:22 | * | Llorean honestly only uses it to cut some noise from a few audiobooks. |
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| 13:10:01 | * | LinusN doesn't use it at all |
| 13:10:09 | JdGordon | stripwax: hmm.. the patch looks messy and seen as nothing in the core uses it (yet....) I tihnk you shuold put the resizing bmp_read_file() in the plugin lib |
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| 13:11:30 | stripwax | JdGordon: - ok will take a look |
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| 13:12:20 | JdGordon | stripwax: I guess all youd need to do is apply the patch, then copy the patched gui/bmp.[ch] to appls/plugin/lib and fix some funtion calls there? |
| 13:12:52 | linuxstb | I guess the difference is that I don't think I've chosen a setting until I accept it with select/right - the same way I haven't chosen a file or other list item until I select it. |
| 13:13:15 | JdGordon | but the settings are (90% of them anyway) live... |
| 13:13:35 | linuxstb | I think of that as a preview of the setting. |
| 13:13:44 | linuxstb | i.e. what will happen if I choose it. |
| 13:16:10 | cax | linuxstb: blueMSX maintainers are working now on making it faster and more portable. When they finish their work, I will modify my Rockbox-for-fMSX code to work with blueMSX. Until then I will continue playing fMSX on my Sansa (except sound everything is working now, and it took me just a week to port) |
| 13:17:09 | JdGordon | petur: you liked the idea of creating a "rec theme" config yeah? which folder should they be saved to? |
| 13:17:26 | petur | good question |
| 13:17:42 | JdGordon | /.rockbox/recsettings? |
| 13:18:25 | petur | no, I'd rather have .rockbox/recpresets |
| 13:18:30 | stripwax | JdGordon : - hmm, actually, taking a look at rockpaint, since that also resizes.. |
| 13:19:17 | stripwax | oh, wait. right. the bmpresize patch includes a patch for rockpaint. |
| 13:19:22 | stripwax | ignore me |
| 13:19:26 | JdGordon | petur: recpresets it is then :) |
| 13:20:02 | * | petur gets the feeling this rec presets thing will cause another jump in the codesize |
| 13:20:19 | JdGordon | shuoldnt |
| 13:20:30 | petur | re-using common settings code? |
| 13:20:45 | JdGordon | all code is beign reused, except the menu item |
| 13:20:51 | petur | ah nice |
| 13:21:11 | JdGordon | the worst part is flagging the settings we want as a recsetting |
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| 13:23:54 | LinusN | linuxstb: yes, that's a way of thinking about it, but i think that is quite inefficient |
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| 13:24:35 | LinusN | also, that's actually how rockbox used to work, before the cancel was introduced |
| 13:25:09 | LinusN | i miss those days :-) |
| 13:25:37 | linuxstb | cax: So do you still intend to try and find a way to distribute your fMSX port in the meantime? |
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| 13:25:56 | linuxstb | LinusN: I'm not sure I understand why pressing right instead of left is inefficient... |
| 13:26:31 | LinusN | because you intuitively press left to leave the setting when you're done |
| 13:26:38 | LinusN | at least i do |
| 13:26:47 | * | petur too |
| 13:27:09 | * | JdGordon thought the desicion from devcon was final? and just cared about the actual implementation.... |
| 13:27:18 | LinusN | it is |
| 13:27:40 | B4gder | nothing is ever final! |
| 13:27:49 | linuxstb | No users (apart from long-term Rockbox hackers) seem to be complaining that it's unintuitive though... |
| 13:28:18 | * | Llorean is voting for either "Left to cancel" or "No cancel at all", but not "Left to accept, and some other button to cancel" because that seems more confusing to him than either of the other two |
| 13:29:48 | petur | voting is useless now :) |
| 13:30:18 | Llorean | petur: Well, if I'm lucky I can get "no cancel at all" since that's just a method of implementing it. :-P |
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| 13:33:02 | JdGordon | why is having a cancel so bad? |
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| 13:33:07 | LinusN | i won't miss the cancel function much |
| 13:33:25 | petur | most of the time you're changing a setting, which takes effect the moment you select it. I feel it natural that you have to cancel explicitly and accept automatically, since accepting is what you do most of the time |
| 13:33:52 | petur | 'stop' (on h300) can cancel, no? |
| 13:34:02 | LinusN | seems like a natural choice |
| 13:34:06 | linuxstb | Shouldn't "stop" stop playback? |
| 13:34:12 | Llorean | I think stop should stop playback. |
| 13:34:13 | LinusN | not in the settings |
| 13:34:35 | * | petur suggests we have another devcon |
| 13:34:40 | Llorean | Especially with live settings (ones that take effect when you highlight them), why can't cancel just be "highlight the one you had before" |
| 13:35:01 | LinusN | that's as good as anything |
| 13:35:12 | linuxstb | Llorean: Now _that's_ inefficient - meaning you have to scroll back to where you were before, instead of pressing one button. |
| 13:36:07 | LinusN | i would think that you most often cancel the setting when you don't intend to fiddle with it anymore |
| 13:36:25 | LinusN | so i guess it makes sense to leave the screen when you cancel |
| 13:36:58 | Llorean | To me at least, you don't often actually go to a setting screen, highlight something, and decide not to use it. |
| 13:37:25 | Llorean | Especially with settings that update when highlighted, you feel like the setting is already in effect, confirmed simply by highlighting it rather than by pressing a button after. |
| 13:38:51 | linuxstb | I go into settings to see what they are set to, and like the fact that I can press a cancel button to ensure I haven't accidentally changed it. |
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| 13:45:34 | petur | is it me or is 'rolo required' detection broken again? |
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| 13:50:32 | n1s | petur: it has been working fine for me... |
| 13:50:46 | JdGordon | petur: patch is finished except for flagging the rec settings, shuold I go and cmmit so others can choose which settings to put in the config? |
| 13:51:02 | JdGordon | the diff is tiny :) |
| 13:51:15 | petur | I would put all rec related settings in it |
| 13:51:27 | * | JdGordon doesnt know which they are |
| 13:51:28 | petur | rec dir, encoder settings, ... |
| 13:51:47 | petur | gain levels, AGC settings |
| 13:52:01 | petur | rec trigger, ... |
| 13:53:14 | petur | can you put it in the tracker? I got to go real soon but I may build quickly and look at it while enjoying real life ;) |
| 13:53:44 | JdGordon | faster over dcc |
| 13:54:03 | petur | ok, received, thanks |
| 13:54:13 | JdGordon | only the ui is there... without the flagging done it wont actually save anything to the config |
| 13:55:19 | petur | ok |
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| 13:58:57 | otih | B4gder: hi, i build rockbox myone and downloaded it from your archive, this is exactly the same. and i can run it on my ipod ( i only build the ipod 4G gray port ) |
| 13:59:58 | B4gder | as I said, the proplem was that the build master failed to copy (scp) the zips from you |
| 14:00 |
| 14:00:07 | B4gder | the build logs show it |
| 14:00:15 | otih | ah ok ;) |
| 14:00:22 | otih | then i missunderstood |
| 14:00:23 | B4gder | I don't know why it did |
| 14:00:43 | B4gder | well, I was very clear so the fault was probably mine |
| 14:00:47 | B4gder | was NOT |
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| 14:01:45 | otih | hmm, any idea? i haven´t one |
| 14:02:02 | B4gder | nope |
| 14:02:07 | B4gder | it works fine for the other servers |
| 14:02:16 | XavierGr | JdGordon: I say commit it first and then we could talk about it all over again :P |
| 14:02:49 | otih | hmm |
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| 14:08:48 | alperkanat | hey there.. i have freezes when i try to create a database even if i don't have any music files on my ipod video (5g) |
| 14:09:26 | badsheepy | are you sure you dont have freezes ONLY when you dont have any music files |
| 14:09:47 | alperkanat | ? |
| 14:10:01 | alperkanat | sorry, i couldn't understand ? |
| 14:10:06 | badsheepy | well when you have music on there does it still break? |
| 14:10:32 | alperkanat | i'm copying music files to it right now.. i'll tell you that in a few minutes |
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| 14:44:48 | chrisjs169 | ping? |
| 14:46:44 | * | stripwax pongs |
| 14:47:08 | * | B4gder unfolds the table and hands the players a ball |
| 14:47:30 | * | chrisjs169 starts |
| 14:47:55 | * | chrisjs169 pings stripwax |
| 14:48:11 | intgr | (Ping timeout?) |
| 14:48:32 | chrisjs169 | i guess |
| 14:48:35 | stripwax | Okie dokie. I've copy+pasted+tweaked the bmpresize code and moved it into the plugin lib, and changed my sliding_puzzle patch to use that and local fns instead of the bmpresize and albumart patches. Just rebuilding to test a few different platforms. Sound ok? |
| 14:48:38 | stripwax | pong |
| 14:49:07 | * | chrisjs169 pings B4gder |
| 14:49:14 | * | B4gder jumps |
| 14:49:30 | chrisjs169 | lol |
| 14:50:03 | B4gder | chrisjs169: so are you wanting anything in particular or are you just here for the ping of it? |
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| 14:51:42 | chrisjs169 | well, i originally wanted to see if anyone was on....everything being quiet and all, then it somehow seems to have turned into a game |
| 14:54:31 | chrisjs169 | and....it's dead again =/ |
| 14:55:00 | otih | we´re working ;) |
| 14:55:05 | preglow | if you don't want anything in particular, there's no need to ping people |
| 14:55:27 | linuxstb | B4gder: ping |
| 14:55:54 | B4gder | I'm around if there's something quick |
| 14:56:04 | linuxstb | A download server update? |
| 14:56:05 | B4gder | shoot |
| 14:56:24 | linuxstb | http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/mbr-video30gb-2048.bin |
| 14:56:34 | linuxstb | (replace the existing file with the same name with that version). |
| 14:56:57 | linuxstb | The previous version was broken and gave people 15GB ipods... |
| 14:57:11 | B4gder | done |
| 14:57:16 | linuxstb | Thanks. |
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| 14:58:27 | otih | linuxstb: i have a problem with my server. the zip coul´nt transfered with scp after building ... could you help me with this, or do you have any idea? B4gder haven´t one ... |
| 14:58:55 | linuxstb | So the zip is created correctly, but not copied? |
| 14:59:06 | otih | right |
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| 15:00:57 | linuxstb | Does the master build server initiate the scp? |
| 15:01:23 | XbooX | linuxstb i dunno what happened after i fixed the Apple Firmware, but i have like negitive 1 million or billion gigabytes of space left on my ipod in itunes lol. not a big deal tho, i use Anapod anyways ;) |
| 15:01:24 | otih | http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/dbg-20070527T150932Z.log |
| 15:01:28 | otih | i think so |
| 15:02:35 | otih | ( datensalat.eu ) |
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| 15:03:30 | linuxstb | Did B4gder attempt copying the zip file manually? |
| 15:03:42 | otih | don´t know |
| 15:04:43 | linuxstb | Can you scp files from your server OK? |
| 15:05:00 | otih | yes, of course, i do everythink with scp |
| 15:05:01 | otih | ;) |
| 15:05:17 | linuxstb | Have you tested the rbclient account? |
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| 15:05:35 | B4gder | the zip file is deleted together with the rest of the build files after the (failed) transfer |
| 15:05:42 | B4gder | so we can't test it manually afterwards |
| 15:06:57 | otih | i haven´t tested it, but i must be ok ... or the server woun´t compile anything, does it? |
| 15:07:13 | B4gder | the account works to login to, yes |
| 15:07:21 | linuxstb | But it looks like the masterbuild log file is scp'ed OK? |
| 15:07:26 | B4gder | yes |
| 15:07:33 | B4gder | it seems only the build zips fail |
| 15:08:02 | linuxstb | Is the zip definitely created? |
| 15:08:17 | LinusN | maybe the zip tool is missing? |
| 15:08:17 | otih | yes, i think so |
| 15:08:26 | otih | zip is installed |
| 15:08:54 | otih | if i build it manually, all is ok |
| 15:09:23 | linuxstb | And there's nothing odd with file/directory permissions? |
| 15:09:49 | B4gder | the copy also seems to fail rather quickly |
| 15:09:49 | otih | no, all belongs to rbclient |
| 15:10:01 | LinusN | or something like odd characters in the path to the file? |
| 15:10:07 | LinusN | like spaces |
| 15:10:21 | otih | no nothing, i think |
| 15:11:43 | otih | but perhaps, somebody could look ... |
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| 15:16:43 | otih | i don´t know what went wrong |
| 15:17:53 | pixelma | JdGordon: seen this post http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10746.msg81501#msg81501 ? |
| 15:18:02 | linuxstb | otih: If you look at the very start of this IRC log, you'll see Bagder describing how to test running the acbuild.pl script remotely - http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20070506.txt |
| 15:18:23 | linuxstb | You could try that, and try and debug it by mimicing the build server's communication. |
| 15:19:46 | otih | ok, i´m going to test it ;) |
| 15:20:33 | B4gder | the buildmaster.pl script is available as a reference as well |
| 15:21:52 | otih | perhaps anybody else could help me with that? |
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| 15:26:44 | B4gder | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/www/tools/buildmaster.pl?view=markup |
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| 15:29:37 | entheh | mmmmmm, I ate mushrooms today |
| 15:29:57 | entheh | (mushroom mushroom) |
| 15:30:00 | otih | ok, thx. but i wanna support you, and don´t wanna read all you buildscripts ;) |
| 15:30:07 | * | entheh is off |
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| 15:31:42 | B4gder | and how is that not supporting? |
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| 15:32:14 | B4gder | to get your server working, we need to find the flaw |
| 15:33:37 | otih | yeah i know, but you know your scripts better, than me ... ;) and if i read all your stuff i could´t work for other things ;) |
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| 15:34:05 | otih | i thought you could find a solution faster ;) |
| 15:35:18 | B4gder | well, since I haven't yet and you seem to have the time... |
| 15:35:57 | otih | i have also to do a lot of work ;( |
| 15:36:20 | JdGordon | pixelma: thanks, reoplyin now |
| 15:36:33 | B4gder | otih: really? |
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| 15:43:18 | stripwax | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7218 updated, let me know your thoughts please |
| 15:43:52 | NHeal | pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
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| 15:49:49 | JdGordon | stripwax: looks good :) |
| 15:50:38 | stripwax | JdGordon - actually, I need to fix a small bug first.. two mins.. |
| 15:50:46 | JdGordon | except plugins/SOURCES isnt in the diff? |
| 15:50:53 | JdGordon | plguins/lib.SOURCEs even? |
| 15:51:16 | JdGordon | oh woops... bmp.c was already there |
| 15:51:20 | stripwax | JdGordon - yep :) |
| 15:51:31 | linuxstb | B4gder: Can you give me a copy of acbuild.pl? I've just accidentally deleted it from my build server.... |
| 15:51:52 | B4gder | http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/acbuild.txt |
| 15:52:09 | B4gder | and yeah, it is a bit too keen on deleting stuff ;-) |
| 15:52:19 | JdGordon | stripwax: only for colur targets? |
| 15:52:36 | stripwax | JdGordon - not at all, works on H120 too. (or did when I built the sim) |
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| 15:53:08 | JdGordon | lib/bmp.c is only compiled on colour targets... |
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| 15:53:41 | stripwax | ah. oh. |
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| 15:53:50 | linuxstb | B4gder: I'm going to stop experimenting with it... |
| 15:53:50 | * | stripwax tries rebuilding h120 sim |
| 15:53:58 | JdGordon | hehe you still have some debug info going on before the bmp is loaded? |
| 15:54:31 | stripwax | only when trying to locate an albumart image |
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| 15:55:07 | stripwax | Does that compile to nops on target or should it be taken out |
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| 15:56:06 | JdGordon | stripwax: I tihnk remove it... |
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| 15:56:17 | stripwax | will do |
| 15:56:22 | JdGordon | putting a splash saying "loading bmp" would be betters |
| 15:56:50 | JdGordon | the rockbox logo looks funny when tis resized to fit the screen :) |
| 15:56:57 | JdGordon | also, i loaded the wrong one |
| 15:57:01 | stripwax | JdGordon :-) |
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| 15:58:59 | linuxstb | stripwax: It seems odd to search for album art bitmaps when Rockbox doesn't support album art... |
| 16:00 |
| 16:00:16 | linuxstb | Also, why change the aspect ratio of the image? Could you instead change the aspect ratio of the "squares" that you move about? |
| 16:02:09 | stripwax | linuxstb - why does it seem odd to search for album art bitmaps when rockbox doesn't support album art? When I made this change I *wanted* it to generate a sliding puzzle from the current albumart, and JdGordon suggested I make that behaviour so that it doesn't depend on the AA patch. Do you think I should just remove that behaviour altogether? (seems rather unfair) |
| 16:02:20 | stripwax | linuxstb - changing the aspect ratio of the image is easier. |
| 16:02:58 | * | JdGordon doesnt see a reason to not search for the AA in the plugin |
| 16:05:12 | stripwax | linuxstb - if you have another suggestion for which bitmap to display in the sliding puzzle, I'm open to ideas. I've not implemented any kind of "random bitmap" logic. |
| 16:06:22 | linuxstb | I guess the reason I don't like the idea of committing it to SVN is that (I assume) it will need rewriting when album-art support is committed. |
| 16:06:55 | JdGordon | is not like hat will happen any time soon though... |
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| 16:07:30 | linuxstb | JdGordon: That's never stopped us refusing patches in the past because they're not the "right way". |
| 16:07:40 | JdGordon | true |
| 16:07:58 | stripwax | so this patch is going to be refused *because* rockbox doesn't implement albumart the right way yet? |
| 16:08:00 | linuxstb | The danger is that things which do stuff the wrong way will never get fixed in the future. |
| 16:08:18 | stripwax | how about this - when rockbox supports AA, *I'll* update the sliding_puzzle |
| 16:08:38 | B4gder | its only a plugin, I don't see any harm in committing it now |
| 16:09:03 | NJoin | Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484877F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 16:09:03 | JdGordon | stripwax: where is the AA seac code? |
| 16:09:10 | stripwax | seac? |
| 16:09:14 | JdGordon | search sorry |
| 16:09:16 | stripwax | sliding_puzzle.c |
| 16:09:35 | stripwax | everything is there (except the bmpresize which is in the pluginlib) |
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| 16:09:48 | * | stripwax moos |
| 16:09:54 | JdGordon | found it... |
| 16:10:18 | JdGordon | linuxstb: when AA is added, it appears that exactly one function would need updating... get_albumart_bmp_path() |
| 16:10:26 | JdGordon | so it would be no big deal.... |
| 16:12:22 | linuxstb | I accept it's a small change, and only a plugin, it just feels wrong to add features to SVN that depend on patches. i.e. in order for this to be useful, a user needs album art, which they won't have unless they're running an unofficial build. |
| 16:13:17 | JdGordon | stripwax: also, 80char wide lines and extra DEBUGF()'s need removing |
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| 16:13:48 | stripwax | JdGordon - yep, will do that |
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| 16:14:09 | JdGordon | linuxstb: I see what your saying, and your probably right |
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| 16:14:37 | stripwax | linuxstb - the game works perfectly fine without any albumart on the dap. |
| 16:14:39 | JdGordon | but it is only a plugin,and.. umm... |
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| 16:15:52 | jazzis | I have a sansa question. I see Bagder is online so I hope you can reply. |
| 16:16:23 | JdGordon | stripwax: also, if #if on line 251, is it needed? |
| 16:16:32 | JdGordon | it seems to go till the end of the file |
| 16:16:48 | JdGordon | s/if #if/the #if |
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| 16:17:30 | JdGordon | ... does it break the plugin on mono targets? thats bad! |
| 16:17:31 | jazzis | Has anyone started work on the pitch features for the Sansa? and b. the A-B repeat feature stoppped working on a recent build, is that being looked into? |
| 16:18:32 | jazzis | In both cases the menus are not available. |
| 16:20:40 | JdGordon | jazzis: a-b mode wrks |
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| 16:21:01 | JdGordon | the keys are terrible thuogh |
| 16:21:14 | linuxstb | stripwax: Going back to my aspect ratio question - of course it's easier to reshape the image, but I can't imagine it looks very nice... |
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| 16:21:27 | stripwax | JdGordon - lemme check. it works (worked..) when I built for archos recorder last |
| 16:21:58 | stripwax | linuxstb - perhaps that could be a future incremental improvement |
| 16:23:15 | Nico_P | stripwax: does it choose a random bitmap on the DAP's disk ? |
| 16:23:16 | JdGordon | the picthscreen is all software based isnt it? |
| 16:23:41 | stripwax | Nico_P - no (see above, I haven't written any random bmp behaviour) |
| 16:24:29 | Nico_P | stripwax: and another question : how does the bitmap resizing work ? i.e. what does it aks as entry and what resizing algorithm does it use ? |
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| 16:24:46 | Nico_P | can it resize a bitmap in memory ? |
| 16:24:48 | stripwax | Nico_P- don't know, I didn't write it. |
| 16:24:52 | Nico_P | ok |
| 16:24:52 | stripwax | take a look at the code :-) |
| 16:25:01 | Nico_P | I will |
| 16:25:05 | stripwax | Nico_P - it resizes *while loading* |
| 16:25:23 | stripwax | pretty sure it's just pixel scaling (saw no indication of interp) |
| 16:25:50 | Nico_P | anyway I'm in favour of committing it. sliding puzzle has needed a touchup for a long time |
| 16:26:09 | JdGordon | jazzis: seems the pitchscreen isnt compiled for the sansa at all... not sure why though |
| 16:26:15 | stripwax | JdGordon : - the #endif is on line 461 ish. mono targets have none of that code. |
| 16:26:43 | JdGordon | ah yes, missed it |
| 16:27:04 | stripwax | recorder uses the old fishes picture |
| 16:27:23 | stripwax | (as will all other 1bpp targets) |
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| 16:28:37 | stripwax | JdGordon - oops, looks like I did break recorder build (but not for that reason :-). Will update once I've made sure again that these targets all build again |
| 16:29:04 | JdGordon | jazzis: wierd... works mostly fine I think if its enable |
| 16:29:04 | JdGordon | d |
| 16:30:21 | stripwax | JdGordon - so, how should .rockbox/rocks/sliding_puzzle.bmp be built? (It's just a file in my patch .zip for now) |
| 16:30:54 | JdGordon | do you want to compile it in? |
| 16:31:25 | JdGordon | it can be added in the build script easily enough... |
| 16:31:29 | stripwax | No, I don't think so, it should be possible for users to replace it with a different bmp if they so wish. |
| 16:31:46 | stripwax | The build script just needs to take the bmp and stick it in the rocks directory |
| 16:31:59 | joshin | Does anyone here have a GigabeatF running a recent build? I'm having control issues with Firmware later than around 5/1. |
| 16:32:20 | joshin | It seems to only respond to the up and down controls. |
| 16:32:36 | markun | joshin: I don't have that problem |
| 16:32:43 | markun | and a later than 5/1 build |
| 16:32:49 | markun | do the side buttons work? |
| 16:33:18 | stripwax | anyway - updated patch on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7218 |
| 16:33:19 | joshin | Nope, they stay lit the whole time and nothing happens. Reverting to 20070428 is working fine. |
| 16:34:42 | joshin | I'll dig further and see if I can figure anything useful/helpful out. |
| 16:35:14 | markun | joshin: do you have the latest bootloader? |
| 16:35:24 | joshin | Yes, the one from 4/21 |
| 16:35:24 | markun | (april 21) |
| 16:35:27 | markun | ok |
| 16:35:41 | joshin | markun: how many songs do you have on it? |
| 16:35:48 | markun | about 5000 I think |
| 16:36:11 | markun | but I don't see how that's related to the buttons |
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| 16:37:04 | joshin | Me neither but I'm looking for differences. :) |
| 16:37:56 | markun | can you still turn off the player by holding POWER? |
| 16:38:35 | markun | maybe you can try to reset the settings by holding "A" while booting |
| 16:39:00 | joshin | Not with the post 5/1 build and I'll try that. |
| 16:39:12 | markun | try it with the latest build |
| 16:39:37 | markun | renaming config.cfg should also work |
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| 16:43:20 | preglow | btw, any people involved with cuesheet support here? |
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| 16:45:25 | preglow | if so, why isn't a cuesheet loaded if there's only one audio file and one cue file in a directory, even if they don't share file names? |
| 16:45:33 | preglow | a fairly common arrangement, afaik |
| 16:48:34 | linuxstb | You think Rockbox should scan the directory and count files? |
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| 16:50:45 | preglow | it could do a restricted scan |
| 16:50:58 | preglow | the disk is spinning anyway |
| 16:52:53 | linuxstb | I'm not sure it's worth the effort - afaik, you're the only person to complain about Rockbox not doing that... |
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| 16:55:09 | * | amiconn wonders what a restricted scan is |
| 16:55:14 | preglow | sounds weird, most mp3/cue combos i've seen are affected by that, so it doesn't really work for me |
| 16:55:30 | preglow | amiconn: just scan files until a. cue file is found, b. x number of files have been scanned and nothing happened |
| 16:55:35 | amiconn | A directory scan is a directory scan, regardless what files you're searching for |
| 16:56:29 | amiconn | On average you have to scan half of the directory, and a directory can have up to 65536 entries on fat(32) |
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| 16:56:59 | preglow | sure, but just not a full one. restrict name search to a given number of files, so you don't waste time if there are tons of files |
| 16:57:06 | preglow | well, i don't really have a clue how fat works |
| 16:57:26 | amiconn | You always have to walk the directory entry by entry |
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| 16:57:37 | amiconn | The directory isn't sorted |
| 16:57:42 | preglow | sure |
| 16:58:28 | amiconn | ...and there are often more entries than what's visible in the browser. Long names take more than one entry, and deleted entries are just marked |
| 16:59:23 | stripwax | Nico_P/JdGordon - does the committed list_accel.patch work on ipod? |
| 16:59:38 | Nico_P | not sure |
| 16:59:52 | JdGordon | it shuold |
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| 17:00:41 | JdGordon | you might have to adjust the settings though |
| 17:00:52 | Nico_P | preglow: As linuxstb said, I'm not sure it's worht the effort |
| 17:01:07 | Nico_P | (Im the one who adde cuesheet support, with JdGordon's help) |
| 17:01:32 | stripwax | JdGordon- do the default settings not work on ipod? hrmm.. |
| 17:01:49 | JdGordon | stripwax: they worked fine on the video.. apparently the nano isnt as nice |
| 17:02:16 | stripwax | interesting. well, i've got a video not a nano, so .. |
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| 17:04:58 | joshin | markun: I rebooted into the original Toshiba firmware and the controls are fairly intermittent there too. So never mind, it does not seem to be a rockbox issue. Now to figure out how to disassemble it and realign the buttons/controls. |
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| 17:05:10 | joshin | Is there a way to check the controls in the rockbox bootloader? |
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| 17:06:05 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I think the problem is most likely the repeat events - it's very easy to momentarily remove your finger from the clickwheel whilst scrolling, so an event gets sent without the repeat bit set. And IIUC, that will reset the acceleration. |
| 17:06:47 | JdGordon | it will |
| 17:07:21 | JdGordon | but if we want to work aronud this we need to try adding that ipod only code back in which caused problems last time :( |
| 17:07:33 | linuxstb | I'm not sure of the best solution - maybe change the ipod button driver to try and avoid sending those "non-repeat" events. |
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| 17:12:32 | stripwax | ok, i'm outta here |
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| 17:13:03 | Davide-NYC | after a loooong absence I am back for a little bit |
| 17:13:31 | Davide-NYC | I just want to chime in about this user-selectable recording directory |
| 17:15:06 | Davide-NYC | JdGordon: I think a splash screen stating that dir doesn't exist and cannot be created plus the remaining space on device followed by a confirmation to record should suffice |
| 17:15:40 | Davide-NYC | I.E. We have a problem... You have xxMB. Wanna goa ahead in root anyway? Y/N |
| 17:15:42 | JdGordon | tht could work.. not exaclty the simplest solution... |
| 17:15:56 | Davide-NYC | It is a single splashscreen |
| 17:16:09 | JdGordon | i dunno... |
| 17:16:11 | * | JdGordon gone |
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| 17:16:38 | Davide-NYC | Was it something I said? |
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| 17:21:27 | mpeccorini | nls: are you around? |
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| 17:23:32 | n1s | mpeccorini: yes |
| 17:23:54 | mpeccorini | Hi, I'm the one who submitted that bug-plenty patch for chessbox |
| 17:24:10 | mpeccorini | I was wondering what player you were using? |
| 17:24:11 | n1s | mpeccorini: yes I know, but it wasn't that bad |
| 17:24:45 | n1s | mpeccorini: I tested in the h300 sim, but I can test on the player if you think it will work better there. |
| 17:24:52 | mpeccorini | well, the missing variable was because I was working on two patches at the same time and I had a mess :( sorry about that |
| 17:25:13 | mpeccorini | no, it's ok, |
| 17:25:26 | mpeccorini | it's probably a missed keyboard mapping |
| 17:25:52 | mpeccorini | I use the scroll whell in the iPod |
| 17:25:59 | n1s | mpeccorini: tell me when you have a new patch and I'll test it |
| 17:26:16 | mpeccorini | great, thanks. but I have another question |
| 17:26:32 | mpeccorini | what's the difference between inverted and reversed ? |
| 17:27:18 | mpeccorini | I copied that part of the code from other plugin, so I thought that would have been the right way to do it |
| 17:27:37 | n1s | reversed = background and foreground colors are switched inversed = background color is drawn in inverse color and foreground too. |
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| 17:28:24 | n1s | mpeccorini: it's not a big deal, just that it looks funny when one menu is drawn with reversed colors and one with inversed |
| 17:28:24 | mpeccorini | so I should just change the foreground/background colors and paint the selection? |
| 17:28:45 | n1s | I'm not entirely sure how it's usually done |
| 17:32:42 | jazzis | On the Sansa, hold play and press left(or right) does not activate the A-B repeat marker. when in A-B repeat mode. |
| 17:34:13 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: Do you need me to do anything in thee coming days? (as you can prob surmise, my free time has evaporated) |
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| 17:35:06 | Davide-NYC | I'm setting up my long lost cygwin install and will be compiling for RTC going forward. Willing to test stuff if you make it easy for me? ;-) |
| 17:35:36 | Davide-NYC | (the question mark should have been an exclamation mark) |
| 17:36:54 | mpeccorini | n1s: ok, thank you very much, I'll look into all the things and let you know when you can test again. |
| 17:38:14 | cax | linuxstb: you've asked me whether I still want to find a way to legally distribute fMSX-Rockbox. Sure yes, and if I understand things right, the only way is to distribute my part of the code under GPL, and give the link to fMSX sources, so the user should compile it himself |
| 17:39:42 | pixelma | jazzis: the description of the keys you have to press is wrong in the sansa's manual (it's red to show "fixme") - but I don't know how it's done there (don't have a sansa) |
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| 17:41:17 | n1s | jazzis: it should work with powe+right/left |
| 17:41:18 | cax | linuxstb: I understand that this task is not for the average user, but it seems there is no other solution until blueMSX will be optimized for rockbox, and it may take months or even more. |
| 17:41:23 | n1s | power |
| 17:42:32 | jazzis | Ah Thank you so much it is power Right left the manual is wrong |
| 17:43:45 | n1s | jazzis: I don't see those keys at all in the sansa manual, where did it say that it was the play button? |
| 17:44:27 | pixelma | n1s: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch7.html#x10-1030007.1 |
| 17:44:33 | jazzis | page 45 chapter 7 under shuffle and A-B |
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| 17:45:26 | n1s | ah ok I was looking at the wps key table where it's mentioned for other targets... |
| 17:45:34 | * | n1s will fix |
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| 17:46:19 | jazzis | I was working using the Play Left-Right combo a week or so ago, something changed i guess |
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| 17:46:52 | linuxstb | cax: If you do that, it's inevitable that people will start distributing binaries. I've also been where you've been - I ported an early version of MAME to Rockbox, before realising the MAME license didn't allow me to. So I abandoned it, and ported PIE (a GPL'd pacman arcade emulator) to Rockbox instead... |
| 17:47:41 | donutman25 | how do do i enable pitch screen on the sansa |
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| 17:47:48 | donutman25 | ? |
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| 17:48:10 | n1s | linuxstb: yeah, if you had released a working mame port, it'd be in every unofficial build... |
| 17:48:57 | cax | linuxstb: does it mean you will ask me to stop distributing sources ? |
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| 17:49:37 | pixelma | donutman25: it should be in the wps context menu (as the manual chapter 4.3.3 tells me) |
| 17:49:43 | jazzis | Someone told me earlier that the sansa pitch screen has just been left out of the build. maybe, just an oversight? |
| 17:50:22 | pixelma | oh? Don't know then :/ |
| 17:50:28 | linuxstb | cax: I wouldn't ask you to do that, and I don't think I even have any right to. I'm just saying that once you share your sources, other people will pay less attention to licenses than you. |
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| 17:53:50 | cax | linuxstb: and ? will that do any harm ? fMSX for Windows is not free, but fMSX for Symbian is, and fMSX for Unix has all sources downloadable. There exist tens of fMSX ports for various platforms, and most of them are distributed under dual license: fMSX part with original license, and platform-specific code undel GPL. |
| 17:54:48 | otih | linuxstb: could you help me with fixing the build server problem? |
| 17:55:11 | mpeccorini | n1s: how strict is the rule of not having lines longer than 80 characters? I have some lines like "color[locn[ply->row_to+(j*rk_offs[i][0])][ply->column_to+(j*rk_offs[i][1])]] == ply->player" which would be harder to read if they're split |
| 17:55:21 | donutman25 | ok thanks |
| 17:55:44 | mpeccorini | that one is not really over 80 but it gets well over 80 because of indentation |
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| 17:56:35 | n1s | mpeccorini: well, readability is the more important aspect, break the rule where it makes sence but try to stay below 80 |
| 17:57:38 | cax | linuxstb: and I even didn't started talking about ROMs and disk images to be used with emulators, that 99% of their users have no right to use |
| 17:58:15 | mpeccorini | n1s: got it, thanks |
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| 18:00:06 | linuxstb | cax: I'm fully aware about ROMs and disk images, and that emulators are generally used illegally. But that doesn't mean I want to encourage people to make parts of Rockbox "non-free" (in the GNU meaning of the word free). |
| 18:01:54 | mpeccorini | n1s: I looked at the mappings for the H300 and the selection on the list should change with BUTTON_UP|BUTTON_REPEAT or BUTTON_DOWN|BUTTON_REPEAT. |
| 18:02:22 | amiconn | hmmmm |
| 18:02:25 | mpeccorini | n1s: I don't know exactly how you do that in the H300, but perhaps holding BUTTON_UP and BUTTON_DOWN for a while |
| 18:02:38 | * | amiconn needs a command line mp3 tagger that does id3v2.3 |
| 18:02:43 | linuxstb | otih: I'm not sure what I can do unless you wanted to give me ssh access to your build server. I attempted to test acbuild.pl on my own build server, and accidentally deleted most of rbclient's home directory.... |
| 18:02:46 | amiconn | ..for windows |
| 18:03:39 | n1s | mpeccorini: ah, yeah that works but it's really strange, and should work with just pressing the button too |
| 18:03:44 | otih | linuxstb: you could get access ... |
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| 18:04:16 | * | mpeccorini thinks amiconn would like this link http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man1/eyed3.1.html |
| 18:04:18 | n1s | mpeccorini: also it moves the wrong way, if i hold the up button the selector moves down |
| 18:04:44 | mpeccorini | ok, but it moves \o/ |
| 18:05:02 | otih | linuxstb: perhaps you have time tonight or tomorrow? i have to go to a friend fixing something |
| 18:05:23 | mpeccorini | they're wrong because in the iPod it makes sense to scroll down if you "scroll forward" with the whell |
| 18:05:34 | mpeccorini | m1s: I'll change that for all the other players |
| 18:05:50 | mpeccorini | n1s: do you think I should take the "BUTTON_REPEAT" out? |
| 18:06:04 | linuxstb | otih: See your PMs |
| 18:06:32 | mpeccorini | n1s: or do I handle both options? |
| 18:06:37 | n1s | mpeccorini: IMO it sould work on both |
| 18:07:03 | amiconn | mpeccorini: Not quite... |
| 18:08:05 | joshin | markun: FYI, I removed the front cover on my GB F40 and the bare touchpad was working fine. Put the cover back on and all is well (with minimal scratches to the case from opening it). Thanks for the help! |
| 18:08:24 | markun | joshin: no problem, glad it's fixed |
| 18:08:33 | mpeccorini | amiconn: doesn't it do what you wanted? |
| 18:08:38 | linuxstb | amiconn: Have you looked at this? http://www.synthetic-soul.co.uk/tag/ |
| 18:08:59 | amiconn | mpeccorini: for windows... |
| 18:09:05 | mpeccorini | n1s: ok, I'll do that |
| 18:09:15 | mpeccorini | amiconn: ohh, ok, sorry |
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| 18:12:47 | amiconn | linuxstb: thanks :) |
| 18:12:56 | linuxstb | Does that do what you want? |
| 18:14:01 | amiconn | I thinks so... |
| 18:14:32 | amiconn | I am writing a script that converts a folder of FLACs to wav, then encodes to mp3 with -nogap |
| 18:14:56 | amiconn | It needs to extract the tags from the FLACs and add them to the MP3s |
| 18:15:25 | amiconn | Extracting can be done with metaflac as well, but I needed a soltion for adding the tags to mp3 |
| 18:15:30 | linuxstb | Shame you don't want vorbis - oggenc converts from FLAC to vorbis and keeps the tags... |
| 18:15:48 | linuxstb | s/don't want/can't use/ |
| 18:15:51 | amiconn | flac->anything track by track isn't a problem |
| 18:16:01 | LycoLoco | amiconn: wait, why are you going from flac to wav to mp3? |
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| 18:16:11 | amiconn | But anything->mp3 with -nogap _and_ preserving the tags is |
| 18:17:49 | amiconn | LycoLoco: how would you do that? |
| 18:18:10 | LycoLoco | amiconn: well, I'd just go from flac to mp3, as it's still lossless |
| 18:18:27 | amiconn | lame can't process flac input.... |
| 18:18:39 | LycoLoco | but programs like dbpoweramp can |
| 18:18:42 | amiconn | And I need to pass all tracks _at once_ to lame |
| 18:18:51 | amiconn | ...because I want -nogap |
| 18:18:59 | LycoLoco | ah |
| 18:19:08 | amiconn | That's the whole point |
| 18:19:48 | amiconn | For albums without seamless tracks it's simple; I transcoded using foobar (and then had to run mp3tag over it since foobar only writes id3v2.4 which I don't want) |
| 18:19:50 | donutman25 | can someone tell me where in source i have to go to enable the pitch screen for sansa? |
| 18:21:39 | linuxstb | donutman25: I think it's the firmware/export/config-e200.h file |
| 18:21:49 | donutman25 | ok thanks |
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| 18:25:39 | n1s | amiconn: do you know if ab repeat is supposed to work for the player, it has AB_REPEAT_ENABLE defined but no keys in the keymap. |
| 18:26:03 | amiconn | Umm, I have no idea... |
| 18:26:22 | amiconn | Can't test right now |
| 18:26:56 | n1s | ah, ok, I'll not add anything about it in the manual then |
| 18:27:51 | * | amiconn never used AB repeat at all... |
| 18:30:14 | linuxstb | amiconn: What's wrong with id3v2.4? (I don't know the difference...) |
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| 18:31:29 | pixelma | linuxstb: he can't answer atm... he doesn't want to use it (if avoidable) because many pc apps don'r support it |
| 18:31:41 | pixelma | *don't |
| 18:31:54 | linuxstb | Ah, OK. |
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| 18:33:04 | mpeccorini | n1s: I've submitted a new patch file with all your comments taken care of. |
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| 18:33:27 | amiconn_ | hrrrrm. |
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| 18:34:00 | * | amiconn got a visit from mr. blue screen :( |
| 18:34:09 | n1s | mpeccorini: ok, I will test |
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| 18:34:35 | mpeccorini | n1s: by the way, I did the reversed colors swapping foreground/background. You're right, it looks different |
| 18:35:15 | mpeccorini | n1s: let me know if the mappings work for you this way. I suggest you try the "repeat", some files could have more than a thousand games |
| 18:36:19 | linuxstb | mpeccorini: I've been meaning to ask why PGN files store multiple games? Why don't people want to store one game per file? |
| 18:37:32 | mpeccorini | linuxstb: it's defined that way in the PGN specification. I think it may be because you can have millions of games and you don't want too many files |
| 18:38:14 | mpeccorini | linuxstb: also, that way, you can store together all the games of a tournament, for instance. Or all the games that share the same opening |
| 18:39:04 | linuxstb | You could just put them in the same directory. But I'm guessing the actual game data is tiny, and lots of very tiny files isn't good... |
| 18:39:42 | mpeccorini | linuxstb: yes, that's probably the strongest argument, a single game fits in less than 1 Kb |
| 18:39:44 | * | amiconn also lost his script, even though saving frequently :( |
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| 18:42:00 | n1s | mpeccorini: I get lots of errors about redefinitions in chessbox_pgn.[ch] |
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| 18:43:19 | mpeccorini | n1s: :( I don't understand why, mine compiles ok. I must have done something wrong when generating the patch file |
| 18:43:23 | mpeccorini | n1s: ... again |
| 18:43:41 | n1s | hmm, it seems patch messed up and included the file twice... |
| 18:44:16 | linuxstb | n1s: Did you still have an older version of those files in your local tree? |
| 18:44:54 | n1s | linuxstb: ah, yes that's probably it I did a svn revert but those files were added by the patch |
| 18:45:08 | linuxstb | n1s: That would do it... I've had that problem before. |
| 18:45:08 | n1s | compiles fine now :-) |
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| 18:45:16 | mpeccorini | \o/ |
| 18:45:27 | a1titude | http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=54631&view=findpost&p=494812 |
| 18:45:27 | a1titude | "The poor ipod runtime is due to no one knowing how to disable all the onboard crap on the PP CPU used in the Ipod." ? |
| 18:45:27 | a1titude | Does anyone know what they mean? |
| 18:45:59 | Bagder | a1titude: that we don't know the PP chips enough to make the run-time as good as the ipod original? |
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| 18:47:09 | linuxstb | Bagder: I've just logged onto otih's build server (ssh rbclient@....) and built a version of Rockbox, then scp'ed the zip file from my PC, and it all went smoothly. Nothing seems odd to me there at all... |
| 18:47:10 | AceNik | guys what is this change in the sound.h file , everything in it has changed, do we have a volume limit in it now |
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| 18:47:33 | a1titude | haha It just confused me, it dousn't seem to fit with what I know about rockbox. |
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| 18:48:41 | Bagder | linuxstb: puzzling indeed |
| 18:49:29 | n1s | mpeccorini: well, now the list works fine :-) the selection appears to dissapear when a line starts to scroll though, and I get segfaults in the sim if I wait until one of the longer lines has scrolled to the end and then press select. |
| 18:49:40 | AceNik | also will the H10 scrollpad acceleration patch be affected with the recent scroll acceleration in the list |
| 18:50:04 | Bagder | AceNik: 1) try it or 2) ask the patch author |
| 18:50:53 | AceNik | ill try it, but can u help me with the sound problem i described above |
| 18:51:15 | Bagder | AceNik: it mentioned no problem, just a question |
| 18:51:18 | Bagder | and the answer is no |
| 18:51:35 | mpeccorini | n1s: you're right, it disappears, I don't know how to make it stay inverted |
| 18:51:50 | Bagder | I'll bbl |
| 18:51:55 | mpeccorini | n1s: but I don't get the segfaults, I wonder what that can be |
| 18:53:51 | n1s | mpeccorini: gdb tells me that it's crashing at line 559 in chessbox_pgn.c (although this might be one of the very nice 64 bit related crashes... |
| 18:54:08 | mpeccorini | linuxstb: do you know how to make a scrolling text keep the colors it was displayed with? |
| 18:54:21 | linuxstb | mpeccorini: I don't think you can. |
| 18:56:42 | mpeccorini | n1s: you should have a chessbox.log file in the rocks folder. can you send it to me please. |
| 18:56:59 | mpeccorini | n1s: are you using the PGN file I attached to the patch or a different one? |
| 18:57:29 | AceNik | badger: where has this gone now , can you help with wht replaced this code in the sound.h enum { |
| 18:57:31 | AceNik | SOUND_VOLUME = 0, |
| 18:57:31 | AceNik | SOUND_BASS, |
| 18:57:31 | AceNik | SOUND_TREBLE, |
| 18:57:31 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK AceNik |
| 18:57:31 | AceNik | SOUND_BALANCE, |
| 18:57:31 | n1s | mpeccorini: I'm using the attached one |
| 18:58:49 | mpeccorini | n1s: which game? |
| 18:59:51 | linuxstb | AceNik: Check the "commits in the last 4 weeks" link on the front page of the website - that will show you the SVN commit that changed it. |
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| 19:00:04 | AceNik | guys can someone verify if the solitaire games work properly cause they seem to have a problem with the games they manage to arrange , very few of them are enuine n get over |
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| 19:00:57 | AceNik | linuxstb: i know the commit that changed it , the <audiohw> commit, but i dont possibly c how to ix the patch now, cause the whole file doesnt have enum in it any more |
| 19:01:00 | Domonoky_ | is there a script to make .talk files with the free text2speak programms (like flite or Festival) ? |
| 19:02:25 | linuxstb | AceNik: Have you looked in all the files changed by that patch? |
| 19:02:47 | n1s | mpeccorini: move the selector to the games that begins with Onat Imham and wait until the line has scrolled to the end then press select, this gives me a segfault |
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| 19:02:57 | AceNik | linuxstb:ill be back gimme 2 min s |
| 19:04:05 | mpeccorini | n1s: it worked fine here ... |
| 19:04:08 | linuxstb | Domonoky_: The build system includes the ability to make the .talk files - just select "V" for voice (instead of N for normal, etc) |
| 19:04:24 | n1s | mpeccorini: weird, ah well |
| 19:04:26 | mpeccorini | n1s: can you look for chessbox.log after getting the error please |
| 19:04:30 | linuxstb | Domonoky_: Or am I confusing .talk with something else? |
| 19:05:35 | Domonoky_ | linuxstb: i meant the files you need to have your dirs and files talking.. (thinking about integrating it in rbutil ) |
| 19:05:49 | linuxstb | Domonoky_: Then yes, I'm confused so ignore me. |
| 19:06:24 | Domonoky_ | linuxstb: i think the build system can generate the voice file for taking menüs.. |
| 19:06:35 | n1s | mpeccorini: sure |
| 19:07:27 | n1s | http://pastebin.ca/516309 |
| 19:07:39 | AceNik | ok here's a question sometimes while patching, when rej files are formed, they mention to cut the statements are all the statements meat to be cut blindly , or some of them could be not meant to be cut |
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| 19:08:24 | ipodguy | does anyone know if rockbox is develouping for ipod nano 2nd gen |
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| 19:10:13 | mpeccorini | n1s: definitely weird, parsing the game was not the problem, but the line were you got the error is inside that routine. |
| 19:10:58 | mpeccorini | n1s: the log is written right before the line that gave you the error, so I would definitelly have spotted an error parsing that file |
| 19:12:56 | mpeccorini | ipodguy: no, not yet, at least |
| 19:13:15 | mpeccorini | ipodguy: and since apple changed the chips, I think it will be kind of hard to do |
| 19:15:10 | n1s | mpeccorini: it seems like it has nothing to do wiht scrolling jus which game I select, the one that starts with Lee also crashes |
| 19:17:18 | mpeccorini | n1s: that one works fine here too :( |
| 19:17:31 | mpeccorini | n1s: are you still using the simulator? |
| 19:17:44 | mpeccorini | n1s: perhaps I should setup the simulator too and test that way |
| 19:17:51 | n1s | mpeccorini: yes, do you want me to test on my payer |
| 19:18:03 | mpeccorini | if it's ok with you |
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| 19:18:37 | Izuil | Hi |
| 19:19:30 | a1titude | just dooing a search on portalplayer and apparently its now owned by nvidea.... haha I compleatly missed that news, how long ago was it? Maby I need to re-think my choice in blogs! :p |
| 19:19:38 | a1titude | hi |
| 19:20:26 | AceNik | hey guys which of these statements is right : 1.#elif CONFIG_KEYPAD == IRIVER_H10_PAD or 2.#elif (CONFIG_KEYPAD == IRIVER_H10_PAD) |
| 19:20:40 | AceNik | ie without brackets or with |
| 19:20:56 | linuxstb | Both work the same - I think it's just personal preference. |
| 19:21:10 | AceNik | ok |
| 19:22:25 | Izuil | Just wondering how much knowledge do I have have to have to be able to back engineer my mp3 player? |
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| 19:24:08 | linuxstb | Izuil: This page briefly describes the process of porting Rockbox to a new device - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
| 19:24:33 | Izuil | okey, thanks :) will check it out now :) |
| 19:24:58 | n1s | mpeccorini: ok it works nicely on my player, the list is a little weird though, both the invisible selector and that the lines scroll so very slow. |
| 19:25:07 | n1s | no crashes at all |
| 19:26:24 | Domonoky_ | n1s: thanx for fixing the typo in rbutil, feel free to improve it more :-) |
| 19:27:38 | n1s | Domonoky_: I today realized that feisty had the correct version of wxwidgets in the repo so I wanted to try it out :-) maybe I'll take a better look at it sometime |
| 19:28:19 | Domonoky_ | :-) please do.. |
| 19:29:07 | AceNik | uys im making changes to the sokoban improvements patch #6702, kindly please sync it to the svn this time , please |
| 19:29:18 | mpeccorini | n1s: I don't know why it was very slow at the beginning, but it improved after restarting |
| 19:31:24 | mpeccorini | n1s: can it be because it's still writing the log file? I can take that part away if you want |
| 19:32:08 | n1s | mpeccorini: did you test with the sim on your maschine? |
| 19:33:07 | mpeccorini | n1s: no, I've never used the sim |
| 19:33:14 | donutman25 | linuxstb: was there any specific reason the pitchscreen was left out for sansa? |
| 19:33:53 | mpeccorini | n1s: I installed it once, but when I replaced the .rock file it didn't work, so I figured I was supposed to compile with the sim everytime |
| 19:34:13 | n1s | mpeccorini: could you? it would be useful to find out if it is a problem with my computer (or 64 bit assuming you don't run 64 bit) |
| 19:34:36 | n1s | mpeccorini: yes, you need to compile rocks with the sim for them to work |
| 19:35:15 | mpeccorini | n1s: so do I just make a different build folder for sim, configure it that way and then I can copy the .rock file to the simulator? |
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| 19:36:04 | n1s | mpeccorini: no, just make another build forder, configure, make then make install and it should have all the plugins included |
| 19:36:49 | mpeccorini | where will it "install" rockbox? |
| 19:37:03 | mpeccorini | will it create the simulator executable inside that folder? |
| 19:37:10 | n1s | in a subfolder calle darchos inside the build folder |
| 19:37:25 | n1s | the executable will be inside the build folder |
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| 19:37:48 | mpeccorini | n1s: ok, thanks |
| 19:38:40 | mpeccorini | n1s: do you want me to use any specific target? |
| 19:39:37 | n1s | mpeccorini: i tested with the h300 sim but it shouldn't matter |
| 19:40:04 | mpeccorini | n1s: ok, I'll use iPod nano then |
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| 19:52:06 | Izuil | Hmm I've just written a mail to kingston too see if they can release the schematics and stuff like that |
| 19:52:25 | Izuil | Let's say they do that, what's left to do then? |
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| 19:59:11 | dmdfan | hi |
| 19:59:37 | dmdfan | I was just curious, does Rockbox improve boot time on Sansa? |
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| 20:27:08 | AceNik | finally finished patch for sokoban gr8 improvements #6702, please please sync this , commit it to the svn please |
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| 20:38:28 | justthisguy | AceNik: don't you need to commit it yourself? |
| 20:39:09 | AceNik | i never have committed a patch , can i ? how do u commit it then , dont i need someone to approve of it |
| 20:39:33 | bluebrother | you can't |
| 20:39:49 | bluebrother | unless you have commit access. You can submit a patch to the tracker though. |
| 20:39:57 | justthisguy | bluebrother: oh, no commit access |
| 20:40:12 | AceNik | i did submit it to the tracker , #6702 |
| 20:40:18 | bluebrother | he wouldn't be nagging if he had commit access, would he? ;-) |
| 20:40:25 | AceNik | please approveof it , n commit it someone |
| 20:41:37 | bluebrother | AceNik, you comment is _really_ hard to read. Please write proper english and use correct sentences instead of worms |
| 20:42:21 | AceNik | i have already synced & improved the patch , please approve of it , & kindly commit #6702 |
| 20:44:41 | bluebrother | again: your comment on that patch is really hard to read. |
| 20:45:05 | bluebrother | there is at least some possibility that a couple of people simply don't read it because of this. |
| 20:45:24 | bluebrother | and as I'm absolutely not interested in sokoban I won't look into it. |
| 20:45:45 | AceNik | bluebrother: just go ahead & see the #6702 if you can do help fine otherwise buzz off , u *** |
| 20:46:45 | bluebrother | oh, are we polite? |
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| 20:49:56 | mpeccorini | n1s: are you around? |
| 20:50:15 | n1s | mpeccorini: yep |
| 20:50:56 | mpeccorini | n1s: I tested the patch in the simulator and it did crash in the same games it was crashing on your computer |
| 20:51:03 | mpeccorini | n1s: so it's not 64 bit related |
| 20:51:21 | n1s | aha, but simulator specific, fun :-) |
| 20:51:31 | mpeccorini | n1s: yep |
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| 20:51:56 | mpeccorini | n1s: I'll dig in the code a little and make a new version of the patch |
| 20:52:12 | mpeccorini | n1s: at least now I have the sim setup :p |
| 20:52:43 | n1s | yeah, it's kind of bad to commit stuff with know crash-bugs :-) |
| 20:53:08 | mpeccorini | I agree. It should work in the sim too |
| 20:53:34 | mpeccorini | I was hoping to start working in the next features thou |
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| 21:02:17 | amiconn | linuxstb: Hmm, turns out 'tag' doesn't do what I need :/ It can read id3v1 and v2, but only writes v1 |
| 21:02:23 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 21:02:23 | * | amiconn googles |
| 21:02:44 | bluebrother | how about using foobar and its mass tagger plugin? Won't that work? |
| 21:03:25 | amiconn | I need a command line tagger |
| 21:04:13 | amiconn | ...because I know of no single gui transcoder that can use lame -nogap when transcoding to mp3 |
| 21:04:31 | amiconn | So I wrote a vbscript, using various command line utilities |
| 21:07:40 | bluebrother | have you checked cdex? iirc you can use arbitrary command lines when setting up a custom encoder |
| 21:07:59 | bluebrother | but it's a while since I used it ... not sure if my memory serves me right |
| 21:08:21 | amiconn | −−nogap requires to pass all files at once |
| 21:08:35 | amiconn | No ripper or transcoder I know of can do that |
| 21:08:56 | bluebrother | ok, then I guess I'm remembering wrongly |
| 21:09:49 | amiconn | Most of them can pass arbitrary parameters, that's not the problem |
| 21:10:08 | bluebrother | another idea: perl's MP3::Tag module? |
| 21:10:10 | amiconn | Plus, the files are already ripped to flac, and Iwon't rip them again |
| 21:10:18 | amiconn | In vbscript? |
| 21:10:39 | bluebrother | run a perl script from vb? ;-) |
| 21:10:54 | * | bluebrother doesn't know vb |
| 21:12:31 | amiconn | In fact that might even work, but I'll try 'id3' first |
| 21:12:40 | amiconn | And vb != vbscript |
| 21:13:15 | amiconn | ActiveState perl sort of integrates into the windows scripting engine |
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| 21:20:07 | amiconn | wee, works :) |
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| 21:35:28 | element_g | Hey everyone |
| 21:36:36 | element_g | I've made some bugfixes to some unlicensed themes, can I post a link on the wiki page to where I've hosted them externally? |
| 21:37:23 | n1s | unlicensed == usin gcopyrighted images whithout permission? |
| 21:37:58 | petur | Cassandra removed most themes that violate some copyright |
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| 21:38:45 | petur | element_g: yes, post them to the same wiki page, add them as remark to the theme you fixed |
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| 21:42:10 | element_g | thanks petur |
| 21:43:07 | element_g | n1s: unlicensed means that the author has not stated the license of the theme, therefore I can't upload fixed/modified versions to the wiki. |
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| 21:53:09 | moos | n1s: the names of people are supposed to be at the end of the names list before teams name |
| 21:53:22 | moos | in the credits file I mean |
| 21:54:02 | linuxstb_ | moos: Are they? |
| 21:54:44 | moos | I thought that yes, remenbered something like this |
| 21:55:10 | midkay | me too, makes more sense to me that they should.. |
| 21:55:17 | moos | en plus, that's better to have them separated, no? |
| 21:55:28 | midkay | or we've got like 200 names, then out of nowhere about 20 different teams, and then more names? |
| 21:55:33 | midkay | makes little sense. |
| 21:55:40 | bluebrother | speaking of this, I wondered if it would better to have a separate file for those? |
| 21:55:43 | moos | indeed, same here |
| 21:56:11 | midkay | bluebrother: even that would make good sense.. but mixing them up doesn't look nice. |
| 21:56:19 | bluebrother | yeah, I agree |
| 21:56:52 | moos | that remind me that there is a patch for scroling the names IIRC |
| 21:57:06 | bluebrother | by having two files we could add some kind of titles to the lists. Like "contributors" and "contributing projects" |
| 21:57:15 | midkay | right.. and yes, moos, there is. :) |
| 21:57:22 | midkay | (have to run now though.. back later.) |
| 21:57:26 | Joely | hey..I'm _still_ working on that crazy IR module for rockbox.. and i was talking over the design with some people...they all (like i thought) said to get some more input from the rockbox community... well...here's a quick diagram of the design i'm currently working on! : http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9306/diagram2qe4.png any suggestions are welcome. |
| 21:57:32 | moos | midkay: c you |
| 21:59:02 | bluebrother | Joely, can you explain that a little? I don't see what's the ir stuff in there (except that there is a receiver) |
| 21:59:31 | Joely | well the whole device node to the left is the ir module |
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| 22:00:04 | bluebrother | or for starters like me, what is it supposed to do? Doesn't look like just an ir receiver |
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| 22:01:23 | Joely | oh sorry, i thought i `spammed' the rockbox irc enough about it that everyone would hate (and thus know!) me by now ;) |
| 22:01:54 | bluebrother | maybe it was just me who missed it ;-) |
| 22:02:08 | bluebrother | can you give me a date? Then I can look it up in the logs |
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| 22:05:57 | Bagder | bluebrother / moos: I added the teams to the current credits file for laziness mostly (to avoid having to touch any scripts) and I think the real names should be kept in the list before the team names |
| 22:06:41 | n1s | bagder,moos,bluebrother: fixed now |
| 22:07:11 | bluebrother | Bagder, do you think we should move the teams to a separate file at some later point? |
| 22:07:12 | Bagder | we could perhaps introduce a separator |
| 22:07:34 | Joely | bluebrother , http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevConWest2007 has my little idea in a few sentences.. but most of it has been scattered through a bunch of dates on irc... :-/ |
| 22:07:58 | bluebrother | Joely, ok. grepping the logs ;-) |
| 22:08:07 | preglow | hmm |
| 22:08:14 | preglow | would be cool if the credits were scrollable |
| 22:08:16 | preglow | list is kinda long, hhe |
| 22:08:39 | Bagder | yeah, up/down could possible do page up/down or so |
| 22:08:44 | Bagder | possibly |
| 22:08:52 | moos | we have a patch for this |
| 22:08:59 | moos | a pending one I mean |
| 22:09:34 | moos | petur: wasn't you looked at it? (maybe I have bad memory) |
| 22:09:58 | petur | the patch causes crashes |
| 22:10:08 | moos | ah :( |
| 22:10:32 | petur | if scrolling near the end of the list, things went boom |
| 22:10:35 | Bagder | well, that too makes the list end faster ;-) |
| 22:10:41 | bluebrother | Joely, sounds crazy :) Guess I'll just wait for the results from devcon-w |
| 22:10:49 | moos | Bagder: hehe :) |
| 22:11:03 | petur | must check if the poster updated his patch |
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| 22:11:45 | bluebrother | hehe. How about a "this list will self destruct^W^Wcrash in 5 seconds" at the end? ;-) |
| 22:11:53 | moos | :-) |
| 22:12:15 | moos | using voice |
| 22:12:30 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6854 - no reply from patch creator |
| 22:13:12 | * | petur sees he tried that in his hotel room in Bromma :) |
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| 22:17:48 | bluebrother | Joely, btw: have you thought about summing up your ideas in the wiki? Might possibly help the discussion. |
| 22:18:18 | Joely | where is a good place to put them? |
| 22:18:51 | bluebrother | I'd suggest to create a new page and link it from the devcon-w page |
| 22:23:27 | mpeccorini | guys, if I'm using the simulator, do I need to "make install" every time I "make"? |
| 22:23:40 | Bagder | yes, if you want the plugins to get "installed" |
| 22:24:07 | mpeccorini | can I just copy the individual .rock I need? make install takes quite a while ! |
| 22:24:11 | Bagder | make install is basically "make zip" and then unzipping that in the fake root dir |
| 22:24:28 | Bagder | so sure, copying works fine too |
| 22:24:37 | mpeccorini | ok, thanks |
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| 22:25:29 | dmdfan | Anyone know, does Rockbox improve boot time on Sansa? |
| 22:25:40 | Llorean | Yes |
| 22:25:43 | Bagder | it does |
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| 22:25:56 | dmdfan | significantly? |
| 22:26:15 | Llorean | Noticeably |
| 22:26:18 | Bagder | install it and you can measure for yourself! |
| 22:26:38 | dmdfan | I will, should arrive this week ;) |
| 22:26:43 | Bagder | :-) |
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| 22:38:02 | * | petur sips some tea from a blue mug |
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| 22:45:18 | mpeccorini | n1s: are you there? |
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| 22:45:58 | * | amiconn just had an idea where to point petur to |
| 22:46:02 | amiconn | http://aminet.net/package/mods/kicko/beerbottles ;) |
| 22:46:45 | petur | pffff |
| 22:46:59 | * | mpeccorini wonders if Visual IRC can be set to blink in the task bar when his nick is written in the channel |
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| 22:48:33 | preglow | so, do we have any official rockbox gsoc routine we want followed? |
| 22:48:44 | preglow | for us mentors, that is |
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| 22:49:57 | webguest30 | is anyone trying to get album artwork in rockbox |
| 22:50:13 | Bagder | preglow: nope, anything particular you think we should discuss/agree on? |
| 22:50:28 | Bagder | webguest30: yes, there's a gsoc project for it |
| 22:50:30 | n1s | mpeccorini: I'm here for a short while |
| 22:50:46 | krazykit | mpeccorini, any half-decent irc client should support that |
| 22:51:01 | webguest30 | ok thanks |
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| 22:51:10 | mpeccorini | n1s: I've fixed the crash in the simulator |
| 22:51:15 | landan | does the pause-on-headphone-unplug work on the Nano? |
| 22:51:16 | preglow | Bagder: i can't think of anything |
| 22:51:21 | preglow | landan: aye |
| 22:51:40 | n1s | mpeccorini: ah, nice, what was the problem? |
| 22:51:46 | landan | cause its turned on, just doesnt pause :S |
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| 22:52:02 | mpeccorini | n1s: I made a change to allow castling to be expressed with zeros instead of capital "O", and that was making it think the result 0-1 (black won) was a valid token |
| 22:52:07 | petur | preglow, Bagder: we at least need some mid-term target or evaluation (google requires it I think) |
| 22:52:35 | mpeccorini | n1s: castling is O-O or O-O-O, but some people writes it as 0-0 or 0-0-0 |
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| 22:52:41 | preglow | petur: yeah, but that's a google thing, not a rockbox thing |
| 22:52:47 | n1s | mpeccorini: ok, have you posted the new patch so that I can commit it? |
| 22:52:55 | mpeccorini | n1s: yes |
| 22:53:17 | mpeccorini | krazykit: how do I do that? |
| 22:53:38 | krazykit | mpeccorini, iunno, depends on the client. there ought to be some sort of "nick notification" or "windows notification" option somewhere |
| 22:53:58 | preglow | oooh, new belgian beer available here |
| 22:54:06 | preglow | petur: ever had slaapmutske tripel? |
| 22:54:15 | petur | nope |
| 22:54:29 | preglow | i think i'll just have to try it out |
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| 22:54:32 | amiconn | strange name... |
| 22:54:44 | amiconn | (iiuc) |
| 22:54:46 | preglow | amiconn: indeed |
| 22:54:56 | preglow | i don't even know what it means, it just sounds weird |
| 22:54:56 | preglow | haha |
| 22:54:58 | petur | slaapmutske is how we call the last drink before going to bed :) |
| 22:55:07 | preglow | haha |
| 22:55:12 | preglow | that explains the logo |
| 22:55:29 | amiconn | petur: I think there's an exact german translation |
| 22:55:44 | amiconn | ...and it's not only related to drinks |
| 22:55:49 | petur | triple nightcap |
| 22:56:11 | mpeccorini | krazykit: I guess Visual IRC is not even "half-decent" then, perhaps I should not be using a free client :p |
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| 22:56:34 | krazykit | mpeccorini, or use something like xchat (crossplatform) |
| 22:57:03 | petur | preglow: another brewery close to where I live :) |
| 22:57:22 | mpeccorini | krazykit: I think I found it ! |
| 22:57:58 | amiconn | There are other free irc clients for windows |
| 22:58:02 | preglow | petur: i get the feeling breweries are many and close together in belgium... |
| 22:58:02 | petur | mpeccorini: NetTalk can do it but you need to run their highlight script and is a bit clumsy to configure, works great once done |
| 22:58:04 | krazykit | mpeccorini, http://xchat-win32.berlios.de/ is the best build, i'm told |
| 22:58:07 | * | amiconn still prefers HydraIRC |
| 22:58:14 | krazykit | irssi for life |
| 22:58:20 | petur | preglow: feel free to visit me :) |
| 22:58:34 | * | petur hugs konversation |
| 22:58:43 | preglow | petur: ghent, was it? |
| 22:58:52 | petur | yup |
| 22:59:10 | preglow | closest airport being? |
| 22:59:16 | Zider | krazykit: silverex is imo the best one for windoes |
| 22:59:19 | petur | Brussels |
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| 22:59:40 | petur | all airports are close here ;) |
| 22:59:43 | krazykit | Zider, i had to go on what i was told, as i haven't had to deal with windows software for a few years now :-P |
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| 23:00:00 | preglow | petur: haha, so i see |
| 23:00:02 | * | stripwax uses Miranda IM for chat and irc |
| 23:00:07 | preglow | petur: how far in travel time to ghent? |
| 23:00:18 | mpeccorini | krazykit, Zider: thanks. |
| 23:00:42 | petur | by train from Brussels airport = 50 minutes I think |
| 23:00:46 | Zider | krazykit: same here, I've been freew from it for over 2 years now :D |
| 23:01:02 | preglow | hah |
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| 23:01:08 | * | preglow hugs small countries |
| 23:01:55 | Zider | they gotta be REALLY small for you to get your arms around them ;) |
| 23:02:33 | preglow | my love trancends physical dimensions |
| 23:02:45 | Zider | ;) |
| 23:02:55 | preglow | especially for a country so rich in beer as belgium |
| 23:03:06 | Zider | beer, eww |
| 23:03:17 | krazykit | beer, mmm |
| 23:03:18 | preglow | beer, wee |
| 23:03:33 | preglow | gheh, more tea |
| 23:03:39 | krazykit | that was my favorite part of germany .75EU beer |
| 23:03:54 | Zider | beer is just disgusting imo :P |
| 23:04:48 | preglow | small-ass country, and it still has nearly twice as many people in it as norway |
| 23:04:49 | preglow | haha |
| 23:04:54 | preglow | too cold here, i guess |
| 23:05:46 | * | moos notices again an alcohlic deviation : ) |
| 23:05:50 | * | petur likes big cold countries |
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| 23:07:02 | preglow | i was actually brewing alcohol a little over an hour ago |
| 23:07:16 | preglow | left my bread yeast/water/sugar solution standing a bit too long, heh |
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| 23:07:19 | petur | desperate are we? :p |
| 23:07:49 | preglow | i did manage to not drink it |
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| 23:08:01 | preglow | the day i'll drink that, i think i'll join the local monastery |
| 23:08:26 | krazykit | the day you drink that, you'll probably join the morgue |
| 23:08:34 | n1s | :-D |
| 23:08:38 | moos | preglow: my recurrent proposition for a free addiction consultation is still available ;-P |
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| 23:09:01 | preglow | i'm not addicted, i can quit any time i want to! |
| 23:09:27 | petur | preglow: you'd better join a Belgian monastery, some of them brew beer ;) |
| 23:09:29 | moos | please add "" for an recurent sentence used by addicted ones |
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| 23:09:33 | moos | :) |
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| 23:10:21 | preglow | petur: yeah, i hope westvleteren allows non-christian foreigners |
| 23:10:26 | n1s | mpeccorini: hmmm, well now everything works ok, except I think you should use the list widget for displaying the list of games, since your colorswapping solution does not work on monochrome targets without some tweaks and the list does the line scrolling so that the selection is still visible too |
| 23:10:49 | n1s | an example of a plugin that uses it is the text_editor |
| 23:11:27 | mpeccorini | n1s: all right |
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| 23:13:10 | n1s | I promise I will commit it tomorrow if you have fixed that :-) |
| 23:14:39 | stripwax | linuxstb - latest thoughts on sliding puzzle patch? |
| 23:14:55 | mpeccorini | n1s: LOL, no need to make promises, if it's ready it's ready, if not, I'll make it ready |
| 23:14:58 | stripwax | I'd check the irc logs but this page isn't working http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl?date=20070528 |
| 23:15:07 | mpeccorini | n1s: I appreciate your help |
| 23:16:03 | n1s | mpeccorini: it feels like I come up with new reasons to not commit it whenever you fix somethin, that's all, but yeah no point in rushing |
| 23:16:11 | n1s | gnight |
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| 23:17:40 | bagawk | someone should create a BAC calculator plugin for rockbox ;) |
| 23:19:20 | mpeccorini | bagawk: what's a BAC calculator? |
| 23:19:40 | krazykit | blood alcohol concentration |
| 23:20:01 | mpeccorini | LOL |
| 23:20:04 | moos | bagawk: and sharing high scores :) |
| 23:20:49 | krazykit | "the rockbox project is not responsible for any DUIs recieved after using this tool. it is purely for entertainment purposes only" |
| 23:22:42 | Llorean | "The Rockbox project thinks that if you're using this tool at all, you should probably hand your keys off until the morning." |
| 23:22:43 | Llorean | :-P |
| 23:23:21 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:23:44 | * | petur would like a plugin that displays a golden quote at random |
| 23:24:06 | petur | bagofshit.rock |
| 23:24:52 | linuxstb_ | stripwax: I don't think any more was said after you left. I still wouldn't want to commit a patch related to album-art, but jdgordon and Bagder seemed in favour. |
| 23:25:43 | stripwax | ok |
| 23:26:32 | stripwax | well, the patch has only a small part related to album art, so could be committed without that part if you'd prefer |
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| 23:28:11 | PaulJam | petur: the plugin should then be called autostart.rock (with the autorock function enabled). |
| 23:28:22 | petur | yeah |
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| 23:48:35 | kokeradio | guys anything new regarding gigabeat s30? |
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| 23:50:04 | saratoga | someone came up with a way to run code on it |
| 23:50:19 | saratoga | so a port is now possible, but I don't htink anyone has done much more then that |
| 23:50:38 | saratoga | once someone picks it up, the port should be pretty quick, every piece of hardware in the gigabeat is well documented |
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| 23:50:49 | saratoga | just a matter of someone sitting down with the stuff and doing it |
| 23:51:47 | preglow | hmm |
| 23:51:52 | kokeradio | thanks |
| 23:52:00 | preglow | isn't the gigabeat s the zune-like thing? |
| 23:52:12 | saratoga | es |
| 23:52:14 | saratoga | yes |
| 23:52:15 | kokeradio | yea |
| 23:52:19 | saratoga | with the insane processor |
| 23:52:26 | saratoga | 500 MHz ARM11 w/ FPU |
| 23:52:30 | preglow | you got an url for run code on it thing? |
| 23:52:38 | preglow | i'd be very fecking interested in one of those things |
| 23:52:55 | saratoga | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatSInfo |
| 23:53:01 | kokeradio | i personally find the zune to be ugly |
| 23:53:04 | saratoga | he actually updated our wiki! |
| 23:53:10 | saratoga | nice guy |
| 23:53:11 | kokeradio | dunno how big the 2.0 gonna be |
| 23:53:27 | saratoga | the spec sheet for that arm core brought tears to my eyes |
| 23:53:32 | saratoga | 2300 pages |
| 23:53:44 | saratoga | has EVERYTHING you could want to know |
| 23:54:31 | preglow | hahah |
| 23:54:36 | preglow | not only is it an fpu |
| 23:54:37 | preglow | it's a vector fpu |
| 23:54:42 | kokeradio | i'm sorry i don't understand a single thing from that page:) |
| 23:54:58 | saratoga | yeah i know |
| 23:55:04 | saratoga | could probably run ffmpeg unmodified on that thing |
| 23:55:15 | preglow | haha |
| 23:55:21 | preglow | would be our first floating point target |
| 23:55:27 | preglow | god, someone bloody pay me to code rockbox yet |
| 23:55:43 | saratoga | haha |
| 23:56:10 | preglow | ahahha |
| 23:56:12 | preglow | it runs java |
| 23:56:18 | preglow | sweet lord, this thing is overkill |
| 23:56:25 | saratoga | I know, its so wonderful |
| 23:57:14 | saratoga | i guess thats the future though |
| 23:57:22 | saratoga | got to figure out something to do with all those transistors |
| 23:57:23 | preglow | hahaha |
| 23:57:27 | preglow | image processing unit |
| 23:57:34 | preglow | go away portaplayer |
| 23:57:34 | preglow | you suck |
| 23:58:08 | preglow | GPU? |
| 23:58:17 | saratoga | not ont hat model i believe |
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| 23:58:22 | saratoga | i think its optional |
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| 23:58:34 | preglow | ahh, it's the l, yes |
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