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| 00:01:10 | Chimera_ | hi all |
| 00:02:01 | Chimera_ | does anyone have any experience "unbricking" a Sandisk Sansa? |
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| 00:03:35 | Bagder | Chimera_: you read the wiki page? |
| 00:04:06 | Chimera_ | Yes I have, the problem is that the Rockbox Bootloader will not read the original firm. |
| 00:04:42 | linuxstb | Did you install with sansapatcher/ |
| 00:04:43 | linuxstb | ? |
| 00:04:56 | Chimera_ | yes |
| 00:05:09 | Chimera_ | I updated today with the Sansa Update Util :/ |
| 00:05:20 | Chimera_ | (that was a bad idea) |
| 00:05:48 | Bagder | why is that a problem if you follow the unbrick wiki page? |
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| 00:05:55 | linuxstb | What happened then? I would just expect it to remove the Rockbox bootloader. |
| 00:05:55 | Bagder | it mentions recovery mode |
| 00:06:10 | Chimera_ | can u remove the bootloader thru the recovery mode? |
| 00:06:20 | Bagder | again, read the page |
| 00:06:31 | Bagder | yes it can recover completely |
| 00:06:55 | Chimera_ | hmmmm, I will enter recovery mode then, and remove the rockbox loader |
| 00:06:57 | Chimera_ | brb :D |
| 00:07:39 | * | linuxstb wonders what the Sansa Update Util did |
| 00:08:13 | Chimera_ | Sansapatcher does not recognize the Mp3 player in Recovery |
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| 00:08:58 | Llorean | Chimera_: You don't use Sansapatcher. Please read the http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200TroubleShooting page |
| 00:09:12 | Buschel | will leave now, good night! |
| 00:09:20 | Chimera_ | good night :D |
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| 00:09:50 | linuxstb | Chimera_: I still don't understand what the Sansa Update Util did to your sansa/ |
| 00:09:53 | * | Bagder has no further comments on reading wiki pages |
| 00:10:29 | stripwax | Anyone know if any of the iriver iFP patches linked no http://www.mimuw.edu.pl/~tmal/rockbox/0410_patches/ made their way into the codebase (for either ifp or any other arm targets)? |
| 00:11:28 | mpeccorini | linuxstb: I'm installing everything I need to compile the manual. the instructions say I need to copy some unicode support files to a folder in my Tex-path. Do you know where they are? |
| 00:12:21 | bluebrother | mpeccorini: what setup are you using? |
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| 00:12:37 | Chimera_ | installing a mi4 file in Recovery only sends the player back to a reboot loop |
| 00:12:41 | Chimera_ | :( |
| 00:12:50 | Bagder | my god |
| 00:13:13 | mpeccorini | bluebrother: cygwin + tetext gives you an idea? I don't really know what I'm doing :p |
| 00:13:18 | linuxstb | mpeccorini: What instructions are you following? |
| 00:13:26 | Bagder | Chimera_: that is expected, yes |
| 00:13:31 | mpeccorini | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualHowto |
| 00:13:38 | bluebrother | I don't think there are detailed instructions for cygwin. |
| 00:13:53 | mpeccorini | I hate it when you send people to read the manual, so I start there LOL |
| 00:13:57 | linuxstb | mpeccorini: That has a link to the unicode files - in the Linux section (referred to in the cygwin section) |
| 00:14:08 | bluebrother | you need tetex-unicode. Don't know if cygwin has this as a package |
| 00:14:12 | mpeccorini | and by "you" I don't mean specifically you linuxstb :p |
| 00:14:43 | linuxstb | mpeccorini: I know you didn't :) |
| 00:14:51 | linuxstb | mpeccorini: I just send you to write the manual... |
| 00:14:53 | mpeccorini | bluebrother: I know, but the instructions say I need to copy some of those files to my Tex-path |
| 00:15:02 | bluebrother | yes. |
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| 00:15:03 | mpeccorini | bluebrother: I don't know where is my Tex-path |
| 00:15:30 | bluebrother | I guess it's /usr/share/texmf |
| 00:15:32 | mpeccorini | linuxstb: LOL, you're right, that's even worst ;-) |
| 00:15:43 | mpeccorini | bluebrother: great, thanks, I'll try there |
| 00:15:56 | mpeccorini | *worse |
| 00:15:57 | pixelma | bluebrother, mpeccorini: yes it has, I put the files in the package there were cygwin complained when trying to compile - then I ran the "mktexslr" command and it worked |
| 00:16:17 | bluebrother | the following should work (assuming you have that path): |
| 00:16:22 | bluebrother | create a folder /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/unicode |
| 00:16:31 | bluebrother | put the files from the unicode package in that folder |
| 00:16:37 | bluebrother | then run "texhash" |
| 00:17:05 | mpeccorini | the instructions did say I might need to run mktexslr as pixelma suggests |
| 00:17:31 | bluebrother | it might be a bit different on cygwin −− usually you run texhash when adding new package. |
| 00:18:00 | pixelma | I wasn't able to get the tex4ht package running under cygwin though to be able to compile a html manual |
| 00:18:02 | mpeccorini | bluebrother: but those instructions are linux related |
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| 00:18:18 | * | bluebrother notices the instructions mpeccorini means |
| 00:18:27 | bluebrother | sorry, was reading the wrong page |
| 00:18:35 | mpeccorini | ;-) |
| 00:19:08 | bluebrother | but the package for my linux box runs texhash only ;-) |
| 00:19:34 | Chimera_ | So, any ideas? |
| 00:19:45 | bluebrother | hehe: mktexlsr - create ls-R databases |
| 00:19:59 | bluebrother | and the same description for texhash :D |
| 00:20:14 | bluebrother | so I guess both should work |
| 00:20:28 | Chimera_ | is there anyway to access the /System folder on the Sansa? |
| 00:20:51 | mpeccorini | bluebrother: Ok, I'll try and let you guys know. thanks |
| 00:20:59 | linuxstb | bluebrother: one is a symlink for the other on my computer... |
| 00:21:10 | stripwax | does rockbox need to pay Thomson a license fee for the rockbox windows sim? http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/ |
| 00:21:34 | bluebrother | linuxstb: same here ... didn't get that idea |
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| 00:22:53 | robin0800 | stripwax, any chance of having alook at the album art patch and seeing if pearljam's assumptions are correct |
| 00:23:07 | stripwax | robin0800 : - ? |
| 00:24:19 | stripwax | oh, right. yeah, sounds right |
| 00:24:30 | stripwax | I got the same warning just now too :) |
| 00:24:53 | Domonoky | stripwax: i dont think rockbox needs such a license, as the fee is per unit, and you already paid for your unit.. |
| 00:25:59 | stripwax | Domonoky - hm, that would make sense for the 'hardware products' coverage, but not the PC Software Applications (which would cover rockbox sim afaict) |
| 00:26:20 | stripwax | Wonder how Thomson/anyone get fees from linux distros |
| 00:26:26 | Chimera_ | linuxstb: Do you think that the new Update changes the partitions? |
| 00:27:15 | use1ess | if I give my iPod to a fix, can Apple tell a rockbox was ever installed on it? |
| 00:27:20 | Domonoky | hm, jeah the for the sim the fee is not payed, but the simulator is only for development :-) |
| 00:27:50 | Domonoky | and i dont know how linux etc handles this.. |
| 00:28:41 | stripwax | use1ess - if it's still installed on the hard drive, then it's easy to tell :) If you took it off, and that includes the bootloader, then they won't know |
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| 00:29:41 | Chimera_ | Is there a way to access the partition of a Sansa without booting? |
| 00:29:47 | linuxstb | Chimera_: I'm still waiting for you to say what the Update program did to your sansa - i.e. what happened when you tried to use your Sansa after running it? |
| 00:29:56 | Chimera_ | Oh sorry |
| 00:30:08 | use1ess | stripwax: aight. think I've read that once you install the rockbox your warrenty is kind'a off.. but I was thinking about the bootloader thingy, how does it work when you choose to "uinstall it" from the ipodpatcher, does it like overwrite it? because a date must be logged in that case, no? |
| 00:30:16 | robin0800 | Domonoky,if you can use itunes to restore the ipod before sending it back |
| 00:31:06 | Chimera_ | I installed the Update using the Updater in vista, it installs and reboots, after that, the Screen turn White, and it reboots over and over. |
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| 00:31:38 | Nosgoth | good evening |
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| 00:31:49 | linuxstb | Chimera_: So is the Rockbox bootloader still there? |
| 00:32:14 | Chimera_ | linuxstb: i *reinstalled* it after, using recov. mode. |
| 00:32:30 | Chimera_ | i can boot rockbox, but not Orig. |
| 00:32:46 | linuxstb | OK, then that's the mistake - that's not how you install the Rockbox bootloader. |
| 00:33:22 | Bagder | Chimera_: you need to put both the OF mi4 and the BL.rom file in recovery mode |
| 00:33:31 | Bagder | the BL file being the bootloader |
| 00:33:36 | Chimera_ | Ohhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 00:33:51 | Bagder | that recovers it completely |
| 00:33:58 | Chimera_ | thank you both |
| 00:34:00 | Llorean | NOT the Rockbox bootloader |
| 00:34:01 | Chimera_ | so much :D |
| 00:34:10 | Chimera_ | (all three of u) |
| 00:34:21 | Chimera_ | which goes first ? |
| 00:34:38 | linuxstb | Bagder: The SansaE200Unbrick page doesn't mention that. |
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| 00:34:43 | Bagder | 1) start recovery 2) copy both files to the "disk". 3) reboot |
| 00:34:53 | Bagder | linuxstb: I noticed that just now |
| 00:35:09 | Chimera_ | The pages say only to copy mi4 files (but Im just commenting) |
| 00:35:18 | Bagder | yes |
| 00:35:25 | Chimera_ | ok guys, ill try and let you all know how it goes. |
| 00:35:29 | Bagder | that's because 99.9% of all users should only do that |
| 00:35:58 | Bagder | and really, you should only have to do that too... |
| 00:36:27 | Bagder | as rockbox doesn't interfere with the bootloader |
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| 00:37:08 | Bagder | did you really put the original sansa mi4 file in recovery mode? |
| 00:37:44 | * | mpeccorini hates compiling the manual |
| 00:38:15 | preglow | mpeccorini: why? |
| 00:38:20 | Chimera_ | ok guys, i put the Orig. Firm. mi4 (1.00.12) with BL_SD...etc.rom in recov. mode, and now its back to the reboot cycle |
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| 00:38:47 | Bagder | Chimera_: it boots rockbox? |
| 00:39:00 | Chimera_ | it boots nothing, just reboots... |
| 00:39:16 | mpeccorini | preglow: It's been very annoying to setup the environment and it takes forever to compile |
| 00:39:29 | Bagder | mpeccorini: that's cygwin for you... :-) |
| 00:39:37 | stripwax | gnight |
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| 00:39:44 | Chimera_ | bye |
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| 00:39:53 | mpeccorini | Badger: I know :( |
| 00:39:59 | Bagder | Chimera_: and it says nothing on screen? |
| 00:40:11 | Joely | hmm does anyone ever use the mingw compiler for their needed gnu based tools? |
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| 00:40:20 | Joely | (for windows) |
| 00:40:35 | Bagder | sure, I cross-compile some stuff for windows at times |
| 00:40:47 | Chimera_ | it starts, shows Sandisk (whoosh), then about 5 seconds later, the screen fades white, and it occurs again |
| 00:41:04 | Joely | no i meant budding devs....that still use windows ;) |
| 00:41:10 | preglow | mpeccorini: yeah, it's pretty fast on linux here |
| 00:41:17 | Bagder | Chimera_: and recovery mode still works? |
| 00:41:23 | preglow | Joely: sure, i do |
| 00:41:38 | Chimera_ | Yes, thankfully |
| 00:41:49 | Bagder | very strange |
| 00:41:56 | Chimera_ | indeed |
| 00:41:56 | * | mpeccorini wishes he had a linux box |
| 00:41:58 | bluebrother | mpeccorini: about 20 seconds building the h100 manual here on native linux ... ;) |
| 00:42:02 | Bagder | Chimera_: did you mess with the partitions and/or format anything? |
| 00:42:21 | bluebrother | may I suggest the vmware image? afaik this isn't much slower than native |
| 00:42:25 | Chimera_ | earlier today i used e200tool in linux, but had no effect |
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| 00:42:42 | mpeccorini | I see you're using the make-fun-of-the-poor-bastard-that-still-uses-windows method, thanks for the support |
| 00:42:48 | mpeccorini | LOL |
| 00:42:52 | Chimera_ | lol |
| 00:43:02 | preglow | waht, vmware runs under windows |
| 00:43:06 | Bagder | mpeccorini: you're welcome, just ask if you need more ;-) |
| 00:43:07 | mpeccorini | sure |
| 00:43:07 | Thundercloud_ | I never make fun of people for using windows. |
| 00:43:10 | Thundercloud_ | There's just too many. |
| 00:43:28 | preglow | Thundercloud_: if you use posters, you can reach many people at once with minimal effort |
| 00:43:31 | bluebrother | using windows is fun. You never know what's happening next *g* |
| 00:43:40 | Bagder | Chimera_: e200too won't be needed as long as recovery mode works |
| 00:43:49 | Chimera_ | i see... |
| 00:44:00 | preglow | "YOU SUCK" on 4x2m cardboard, for example |
| 00:44:06 | Bagder | Chimera_: going one step further, you could try putting a file in recovery mode named 'sansa.fmt' |
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| 00:44:19 | mpeccorini | bluebrother: you do know what's going to happen, it'll get slower until it crashes |
| 00:44:24 | Bagder | Chimera_: it should cause a reformat |
| 00:44:37 | bluebrother | what exactly crashed? Latex? |
| 00:44:39 | mpeccorini | I have finally compiled the manual though |
| 00:44:42 | Chimera_ | and the file is empty? |
| 00:44:46 | preglow | man, sandisk have really thought about recovery |
| 00:44:52 | bluebrother | congratulations! |
| 00:45:09 | mpeccorini | no, I was just elaborating your "using windows is fun. You never know what's happening next *g*" comment |
| 00:45:43 | Thundercloud_ | preglow: :D |
| 00:45:52 | bluebrother | ah. But seriously, windows crashed rarely for me when using it the last years. |
| 00:46:06 | bluebrother | dumping windows in favor of NT was really a good move ;) |
| 00:46:12 | Bagder | Chimera_: anything, the extension is what matters |
| 00:46:35 | Chimera_ | Ok, i will upload the blank file, and let you know. |
| 00:47:07 | Bagder | Chimera_: you'll probably need to do the mi4+BL.rom dance after the reformat |
| 00:47:15 | mpeccorini | I know, I was just kidding, in fact it is so slow because I use a laptop with a 2 rpm max hdd LOL |
| 00:47:34 | Chimera_ | Formatting ... |
| 00:48:29 | bluebrother | 2 rpm? How good my laptop disk is a bit faster ;) |
| 00:49:29 | mpeccorini | the good thing is: I have my first patch for the manual ready ;-) |
| 00:49:38 | bluebrother | really nice |
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| 00:50:42 | bluebrother | in two weeks I should have some free time to give the manual some care ... :D |
| 00:50:57 | bluebrother | there is quite a lot that summed up on my todo list |
| 00:51:23 | Bagder | time for bed |
| 00:51:44 | Joely | night night Bagder ;) |
| 00:51:49 | Chimera_ | gnight |
| 00:51:55 | Chimera_ | thx alot for your help |
| 00:52:02 | Chimera_ | (still does not work ) |
| 00:52:34 | mpeccorini | gnite Badger |
| 00:53:19 | mpeccorini | bluebrother: you are the only one in charge of the manual ? |
| 00:54:01 | bluebrother | no. But I did some work a while ago |
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| 00:55:22 | mpeccorini | bluebrother: well, now that the PGN viewer patch is committed and the manual is (or will be) up to date, I can finally make chessbox write PGN files. |
| 00:55:38 | mpeccorini | I hate beating GnuChess once every 1000 games and not having the history :p |
| 00:56:05 | bluebrother | gnu chess is too hard for me. I prefer Jewels or sudoku :) |
| 00:56:23 | mpeccorini | LOL |
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| 00:56:52 | bluebrother | but I never was much of a chess player anyway |
| 00:57:01 | Chimera_ | well guys, i formatted, loaded the original bootloader and firmware and still not luck, so i will take it to the store, and ask for another one. |
| 00:57:12 | Chimera_ | no* |
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| 00:57:25 | preglow | haha |
| 00:57:30 | preglow | just don't tell them you tried to put rockbox on it |
| 00:57:39 | Chimera_ | yep, i sure wont |
| 00:57:47 | preglow | anyway |
| 00:57:53 | Chimera_ | thx alot guys |
| 00:57:53 | preglow | all sansas have been able to be recovered so far, i think |
| 00:57:59 | preglow | so yours probably can too |
| 00:58:05 | preglow | given enough persistance |
| 00:58:14 | preglow | i don't have one, so can't help there |
| 00:58:15 | Chimera_ | im sure it can, i will mess around with it more |
| 00:58:37 | Chimera_ | should i dL a specific mi4 version? |
| 00:58:39 | preglow | the thing has layers upon layers of recovery mechanisms |
| 00:58:46 | preglow | wouldn't know, never even touched a sansa |
| 00:58:58 | Chimera_ | hmmmm |
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| 01:00:00 | Joely | ahh sorry i have a sansa...i can try to help you out in a sec |
| 01:00:17 | Chimera_ | sure, im more than happy to explain |
| 01:00:38 | Chimera_ | I had a good install of Rockbox, and the Original was fine |
| 01:01:30 | Chimera_ | So, i updated with the Sandisk Updater Util, and it messed it all up, now it shows the logo at boot, followed by a white screen and it reboots ad infinitum |
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| 01:02:44 | Joely | hmm link to the sandisk updater util? |
| 01:03:16 | Chimera_ | 00 games and not having the |
| 01:03:17 | Chimera_ | +history :p |
| 01:03:17 | Chimera_ | <bluebrother> gnu chess is too hard for me. I prefer Jewels or sudoku :) |
| 01:03:17 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Chimera_ |
| 01:03:17 | Chimera_ | <mpeccorini> LOL |
| 01:03:17 | Chimera_ | *** Signoff: XbooX () |
| 01:03:17 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 01:03:17 | Chimera_ | <bluebrother> but I never was much of a chess player anyway |
| 01:03:19 | Chimera_ | > well guys, i formatted, loaded the original bootloader and firmware and |
| 01:03:21 | Chimera_ | +still not luck, so i will take it to the store, and ask for another one. |
| 01:03:23 | Chimera_ | > no* |
| 01:03:25 | Chimera_ | *** Signoff: ender` (" According to the FAA, the propeller blade didn't break |
| 01:03:27 | Chimera_ | +off, it was just a case of "uncontained blade liberation."") |
| 01:03:29 | Chimera_ | <preglow> haha |
| 01:03:31 | Chimera_ | <preglow> just don't tell them you tried to put rockbox on it |
| 01:03:33 | Chimera_ | > yep, i sure wont |
| 01:03:35 | Chimera_ | oops |
| 01:03:37 | Chimera_ | http://mp3support.sandisk.com/downloads/SansaUpdaterInstall.exe |
| 01:04:09 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 01:04:09 | * | Domonoky slaps Chimera_ :-/ |
| 01:04:29 | * | Chimera_ flys back in pain |
| 01:05:26 | Chimera_ | Well, whatever you do, dont update your sansas :/ |
| 01:06:00 | Chimera_ | is there a link to a rockbox.mi4 file? |
| 01:06:02 | Joely | of course i wont...but....i'm going to try some emulation magic! |
| 01:06:22 | Chimera_ | :D |
| 01:08:56 | Chimera_ | well, i just reinstalled part of rockbox using the rockbox.mi4 file :D |
| 01:09:09 | Chimera_ | but i have no .rockbox dir :( |
| 01:09:46 | Chimera_ | now i need to wait until rockbox has USB support :) |
| 01:09:56 | bluebrother | *grrr*. Manual build broken :( |
| 01:10:11 | mpeccorini | bluebrother: was that my fault? |
| 01:10:16 | linuxstb | Chimera_: So you can put rockbox.mi4 on your Sansa, but not an original firmware? |
| 01:10:26 | Chimera_ | yep, thats about right |
| 01:10:33 | bluebrother | mpeccorini: no. |
| 01:10:41 | Chimera_ | unless im loading the wrong mi4's |
| 01:10:55 | Chimera_ | its at daniel's site rite? |
| 01:11:14 | bluebrother | it was a change from two days ago. Forgotten macro definition in a platform file |
| 01:11:40 | mpeccorini | bluebrother: ok |
| 01:12:58 | bluebrother | but I'm looking into your patch. Will go in after some code policing :) |
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| 01:14:46 | mpeccorini | bluebrother: great, thanks |
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| 02:28:40 | ivan` | can rockbox navigate an m3u as a subdirectory? |
| 02:28:56 | ivan` | i'm trying to figure out a way to play the good tracks from an album easily |
| 02:29:05 | ivan` | from pre-existing ratings |
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| 02:32:58 | Nico_P | ivan`: no, it can't |
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| 02:50:08 | jac0b | on the sansa the bookmark feature is not working for me |
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| 02:50:30 | jac0b | isn't the bookamrk feature in the svn now? |
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| 02:54:13 | Joely | hey jac0b, did you get that patch working that you were working on last night? |
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| 03:07:19 | scorche | kkurbjun: ping |
| 03:07:31 | kkurbjun | scorche, what's up? |
| 03:08:31 | flpwch | Am I the only person that feels the need to change the background on their skin most every day? |
| 03:09:34 | flpwch | I guess thats just me |
| 03:09:36 | flpwch | <.< |
| 03:09:38 | ivan` | i use white on black, chicago font, standard interface |
| 03:09:44 | ivan` | i forget that my iaudio is color sometimes |
| 03:10:18 | flpwch | I'm on my Gigabeat, and I always go greyscale. |
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| 03:10:43 | flpwch | The battery, sound, and playtime bars are color, so i figure i don't need more. |
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| 03:18:32 | jac0b | joely: yeah it worked |
| 03:19:00 | jac0b | I see someone uploaded a updated patch for it also |
| 03:19:21 | jac0b | on filespray |
| 03:20:29 | jac0b | joely: are you having a problem with the bookmark feature on the current and last svn |
| 03:21:32 | flpwch | jac0b: joely isn't in this channel, so you know. |
| 03:21:44 | jac0b | oh ok |
| 03:22:22 | jac0b | do I still have to use the patch for the bookmark feature? |
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| 03:22:48 | flpwch | I have no idea what player you are using, i came on here during the middle of the conversation. |
| 03:22:59 | jac0b | the sansa |
| 03:23:25 | flpwch | Honestly, I don't know, but, from experience, it can't hurt. |
| 03:23:37 | jac0b | I see the bookamark on there but when I select "Create Bookmark" nothing happenes |
| 03:23:52 | flpwch | Yeah, you probably need the patch, then. |
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| 03:24:07 | jac0b | I think the bookmark is in the svn now |
| 03:24:17 | jac0b | so I think the patch is not needed |
| 03:24:21 | flpwch | Ok. |
| 03:24:27 | jac0b | but I will try it out |
| 03:24:43 | flpwch | Its just that I haven't been keeping up with the sansa, I've been working on making my buttons flip on my gigabeat when i watch video |
| 03:24:47 | Alldogship | small trouble, wps files aren't working, probably an error at installing them |
| 03:25:18 | flpwch | Alldogship: default wps working? |
| 03:25:41 | Alldogship | flpwch: default, yes. new, no |
| 03:25:46 | flpwch | hmmm |
| 03:25:55 | flpwch | try recopying the files. |
| 03:26:16 | flpwch | I had that problem yesterday on my gigabeat |
| 03:27:01 | Alldogship | flpwch: did it many times with a few themes and wps, even the one I'm trying to do |
| 03:27:20 | flpwch | hmm, so only the default is working? |
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| 03:28:38 | Alldogship | backdrops goes in backdrops, theme in theme, .wps in wps folder but the folder with picts goes where (put in wps folder) |
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| 03:29:01 | flpwch | hm |
| 03:29:05 | flpwch | i think you are missing another bmp |
| 03:29:20 | flpwch | let me wire up my giga to my computer |
| 03:29:21 | Alldogship | ... wait, trying the emulator |
| 03:29:28 | flpwch | k |
| 03:29:45 | Tim_Mitchell | any gigabeat f users here? my brand new rockboxed f40 appears to have died - it had been working fine... |
| 03:29:54 | Alldogship | We open the real file 'archos/.rockbox/wps/frostBox Normal.wps' |
| 03:29:54 | Alldogship | Failed parsing on line 47 : Invalid conditional char (not in an open conditional) |
| 03:30:11 | flpwch | Tim_Mitchell: me |
| 03:30:27 | flpwch | Alldogship: same with the other ones? |
| 03:30:46 | Tim_Mitchell | flpwch: any known issues with rockbox killing gigabeats? |
| 03:30:52 | flpwch | Tim_Mitchell: not that i know of |
| 03:30:56 | flpwch | are you getting the boot screen at all? |
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| 03:31:30 | jac0b | I tried the bookamrk patch but it just errored out |
| 03:31:35 | Tim_Mitchell | flpwch: nope, I can't get anything on the screen, even while just charging, my guess is the power circuit went |
| 03:31:42 | jac0b | bookmark* |
| 03:31:45 | flpwch | probably. |
| 03:32:02 | flpwch | jac0b: i'd suggest asking someone a bit more knowledgeable than me, sorry |
| 03:32:27 | flpwch | Tim_Mitchell: might it be the dock, or the battery at all? |
| 03:32:40 | jac0b | I am asking anyone in here that has any knowledge in the sansa build |
| 03:32:50 | flpwch | or are you not even showing when you plug to usb |
| 03:33:09 | Tim_Mitchell | flpwch: I've never used the dock and I've tried switching the battery switch to see if that'd help - no dice |
| 03:33:17 | flpwch | no usb either? |
| 03:33:26 | Tim_Mitchell | flpwch: no usb either |
| 03:33:38 | flpwch | if anything, it probably wasn't the rockbox. |
| 03:33:43 | Tim_Mitchell | flpwch: it sometimes will say I need to charge the battery but only rarely - usually is just stays blank |
| 03:33:56 | flpwch | you could have a hard drive problem |
| 03:34:10 | Tim_Mitchell | flpwch: I agree, especially since I didn't have the unit on when it died |
| 03:34:13 | flpwch | maybe some internal wiring went loose, i've had that. |
| 03:34:25 | Tim_Mitchell | flpwch: were you able to fix it? |
| 03:34:29 | flpwch | yeah |
| 03:34:39 | flpwch | i just had a little connection on some wire that got frayed |
| 03:34:45 | flpwch | no idea what it was |
| 03:34:46 | Tim_Mitchell | what was lose? I've already taken it apart |
| 03:35:04 | flpwch | it was behind the pad near the batter connection |
| 03:35:10 | flpwch | battyer |
| 03:35:30 | flpwch | so i spun copper wire around it and then put electrical tape around that. |
| 03:35:39 | flpwch | and then i hot glued the case back together |
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| 03:36:20 | Alldogship | found an other theme that worked |
| 03:36:27 | Alldogship | fault line: %ac%fc (%?fb<%fbkbps| >) | %?fs<%fsKB| > |
| 03:36:37 | flpwch | ah |
| 03:36:43 | Tim_Mitchell | flpwch: hmm, I;ll need to take the front off to take a look |
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| 03:37:04 | flpwch | Tim_Mitchell: yeah, but im horrible when it comes to "putting things together", my fix usually involves tape and hot glue. |
| 03:37:24 | Tim_Mitchell | flpwch: do you know of any usb enclosures that I can use with the drive - I have data on it too that I need to get off |
| 03:37:52 | flpwch | usb goes directly to the drive, if i recall. |
| 03:37:57 | flpwch | like a gutted external hard drive. |
| 03:38:02 | flpwch | you should be able just to deshell it |
| 03:38:24 | flpwch | but you need an enclosure, i don't see many around that size. |
| 03:38:53 | flpwch | you'd be best off with a decent sized project-box and cutting some holes in the case |
| 03:39:32 | Tim_Mitchell | flpwch: arg, I am hoping to get the data off and then send it back to toshiba under warranty... perhaps wishful thinking |
| 03:39:47 | flpwch | don't you keep the data backed up? |
| 03:40:04 | flpwch | like, on your own computer or external HD or disk? |
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| 03:41:16 | flpwch | darned wiki |
| 03:41:21 | flpwch | i can't find the winff presets |
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| 03:42:04 | f00f | quick question with regards to the rockboxdev.sh script |
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| 03:42:31 | f00f | It finished sucesfully, but I still get arm-elf-gcc not found |
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| 03:42:40 | webguest12 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer#Using_WinFF_Windows_Linux |
| 03:43:34 | flpwch | woot thanks webguest12 |
| 03:43:39 | Tim_Mitchell | flpwch: i do keep my data backed up - but this is a set of files I got on the go when I wasn't at home - went I got home, it no longer worked |
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| 03:44:00 | flpwch | Tim_Mitchell: hmmm, if at all necessary, there are companies that can do that. |
| 03:44:41 | flpwch | and recover it |
| 03:44:46 | f00f | anyone? |
| 03:45:30 | flpwch | Tim_Mitchell: just hook the hard drive directly into your computer |
| 03:46:20 | webguest12 | is anyone trying to make use of the broadcam chip thingy in the ipod video |
| 03:46:23 | webguest12 | just wondering |
| 03:46:43 | Tim_Mitchell | flpwch: I'd love to, but I what connector fits this drive? - it's some connector I don't have |
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| 03:47:04 | Tim_Mitchell | flpwch: just looked at the front side of the unit, visually everything looks fine |
| 03:47:24 | flpwch | Tim_Mitchell: since your giga is wacked out anyway, you can pull the adapter out on its own |
| 03:47:32 | flpwch | and use that, probably |
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| 03:48:30 | Alldogship | I keep getting emulated codec failiures but I think I fixed the problem |
| 03:49:23 | Alldogship | the guy put | (or) at places for no reasons |
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| 03:55:46 | f00f | quick question with regards to the rockboxdev.sh script. It finished sucesfully, but I still get arm-elf-gcc not found |
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| 03:57:34 | Llorean | f00f: You still need to manually add it to the path |
| 03:57:58 | f00f | ok Thanks. Can't the script do that automatically though? |
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| 03:59:03 | f00f | Llorean, the binary doesn't show up anywhere. I do have a file called cc1 in /usr/local/arm-elf/libexec/gcc/arm-elf/4.0.3/ |
| 03:59:21 | Llorean | You should have an arm-elf-gcc binary |
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| 04:00:15 | f00f | hmm, any idea where the script puts it by default? |
| 04:01:18 | krazykit | /usr/local/arm-elf/bin |
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| 04:13:03 | Chimera_ | linuxstb: Hi, just wanted to let you know that I got the Sansa working again Linux, so thx a lot! |
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| 06:04:31 | oblib | I am looking into a bug report on a patch I did (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6940) and it looks like it's a stack overflow. Anyone have any experience with what would cause that? The patch enables charging mode on the nano, and I haven't seen this problem. |
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| 07:12:01 | JdGordon | is there a philip kao in the channel? |
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| 07:19:24 | JdGordon | Llorean: you round? |
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| 07:20:34 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 07:20:39 | JdGordon | hey |
| 07:20:58 | JdGordon | im using a clea source tree and i am getting a white .mpg icon... |
| 07:21:05 | JdGordon | ... with a blank .icons file |
| 07:21:15 | JdGordon | I tihnk your problem was that the filname was too long |
| 07:22:41 | Llorean | Alright |
| 07:22:51 | Llorean | That makes sense then |
| 07:22:58 | Llorean | Do we know the maximum filename length? |
| 07:23:45 | JdGordon | 32 chars |
| 07:24:01 | JdGordon | for the filename without the path or extension |
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| 07:24:07 | Llorean | Alright |
| 07:24:09 | Llorean | Thanks |
| 07:24:18 | JdGordon | 32 or 20... |
| 07:24:20 | * | JdGordon checks |
| 07:24:34 | JdGordon | 32 |
| 07:24:40 | JdGordon | 31 and the nul char... |
| 07:24:47 | Llorean | Okay |
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| 07:36:34 | midkay | hmm. the gigabeat F/X/S/etc series system is a bit confusing. what 'letter' is a "toshiba MES-60VK"? |
| 07:36:40 | midkay | S? |
| 07:37:52 | Llorean | That might be the V |
| 07:38:03 | Llorean | No, that's the S |
| 07:38:06 | midkay | haha. how confusing... |
| 07:38:14 | Llorean | The K means black |
| 07:38:31 | midkay | oh.. |
| 07:38:32 | Llorean | The F series were "MEG-F40" and then a letter representing color like S for silver |
| 07:38:43 | Llorean | MEG-F(capacity)(color) rather |
| 07:38:54 | Llorean | Apparently the S series are MES-(capacity)(dunno)(color) |
| 07:39:08 | midkay | hmm.. i see. haha. |
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| 07:39:28 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 07:39:37 | Llorean | Honestly, the iHP and iFP naming system at least made sense |
| 07:39:50 | midkay | yeah.. quite a weird system, the gigabeats. |
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| 08:35:19 | GodEater | Llorean: you still awake ? |
| 08:36:02 | GodEater | oh, nvm, my eyes are playing tricks on me |
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| 08:37:23 | Llorean | It's not that late |
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| 08:45:19 | GodEater | I was going to ask about that post in the apple forum from the "genius" who's got rockbox running on a second gen Nano. But it's already locked, so I guess the decision's been made :) |
| 08:46:05 | scorche | sounds like i need to check the forums =] |
| 08:46:36 | GodEater | I'm trying to make my mind up, he's either very very deluded, or a complete troll |
| 08:46:54 | GodEater | I'm guessing whoever locked it decided the latter :) |
| 08:47:39 | GodEater | http://www.boingboing.net/2007/05/29/griffin_itrip_pocket.html <−− not strictly rockbox related, but I like the look of it. A good fit :) |
| 08:48:57 | amiconn | LinusN: Diff view in viewvc is still broken :( (python traceback) |
| 08:49:17 | LinusN | bah, i thought zagor would fix that... |
| 08:49:51 | amiconn | It seems that the script tries to open /dev/null for some reason, and gets denied |
| 08:52:50 | LinusN | yes |
| 08:54:21 | LinusN | i'll let zagor have a look at it, it's his server |
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| 09:00:43 | t3hwiz0rd | hey quick question: i bought an ipod video about december-ish, should rockbox current wor kwith few issues? |
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| 09:04:18 | t3hwiz0rd | anyone?? |
| 09:05:56 | markun | t3hwiz0rd: yes, all ipod videos are now supported |
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| 09:07:10 | PaulJam | JdGordon: are you here? |
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| 09:12:10 | t3hwiz0rd | and how do u install themes? *blushes* |
| 09:12:29 | scorche | no need to blush when you ahve the manual! |
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| 09:15:06 | GodEater | plenty of need to blush if you've not read it. It *is* in the IrcGuidelines as a requirement. |
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| 09:26:35 | t3hwiz0rd | hmmm it seems slow on my ipod video |
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| 09:26:51 | Dorian_ | anyone awake here? |
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| 09:28:07 | petur | yawn |
| 09:29:07 | JdGordon | PaulJam: hey, wassup? |
| 09:29:24 | Dorian_ | yea... so i'm trying to get gnu diff working on my pc and yet i'm not getting anywhere |
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| 09:30:56 | PaulJam | there is still a bug with the double line lists. if you hold the down button then only the last line gets selected and if you then scroll up the selection is wrong. |
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| 09:32:16 | JdGordon | :'( |
| 09:32:19 | ivan | yay 5.5 now supported |
| 09:32:22 | ivan | ok i'm later |
| 09:32:25 | ivan | late* |
| 09:32:26 | B4gder | Dorian_: pc? you mean windows? cygwin installed? |
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| 09:33:54 | Dorian_ | windows. i would asssume i also need cygwin as well? |
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| 09:34:39 | GodEater | Dorian_: what are you attempting to use it for ? |
| 09:34:40 | B4gder | Dorian_: there are stand-alone versions of gnu diff for windows, but then I don't see how it is rockbox-related really |
| 09:34:55 | PaulJam | JdGordon: and concerning FS #7236 : this happens on my h300 too. and if i try to reproduce it in the simulator the remote display does something weird, the first entry gets duplicated somehow. |
| 09:35:02 | * | petur recommends WinMerge on windows |
| 09:35:25 | Dorian_ | well i just want to make a patch for something i wrote |
| 09:36:11 | GodEater | does winmerge produce gnu diff compatible patches ? |
| 09:36:44 | * | GodEater asks out of curiousity only since he'd never dream of using a windows based dev environment for rockbox |
| 09:36:59 | Dorian_ | >.< |
| 09:37:04 | * | petur uses tortoise to make the diffs |
| 09:37:20 | GodEater | that'd be a "no" then I guess ;) |
| 09:37:28 | petur | let me try |
| 09:37:54 | JdGordon | PaulJam: 7236 is the pressing down crashes the x5 yeah? |
| 09:38:32 | PaulJam | JdGordon: yes |
| 09:38:44 | JdGordon | nothing wierd happens in the sim here... |
| 09:38:47 | petur | yup, can create 3 types of patches, one of them is unified |
| 09:39:02 | petur | http://winmerge.org/ |
| 09:39:03 | JdGordon | can you send me your config.cfg? |
| 09:39:28 | PaulJam | JdGordon: try entering the settings menu and scroll down to recording settings |
| 09:40:02 | JdGordon | oh, that bug is back :'( |
| 09:40:04 | JdGordon | righto |
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| 09:40:29 | Dorian_ | petur: thanks, ill give that try |
| 09:40:38 | PaulJam | my config was reset when reproducing. |
| 09:40:52 | GodEater | petur, is the format with CR/LF or just LF? |
| 09:41:01 | crop | Llorean, linuxstb: here? |
| 09:41:30 | petur | CR/LF I guess, but you can use notepad2 or other tools to change that |
| 09:41:32 | GodEater | linuxstb isn't out of bed yet, Llorean is borderline on his way there |
| 09:41:57 | GodEater | at least, I would be at that time of the morning if it were me :) |
| 09:42:17 | petur | 9:42 here |
| 09:42:37 | crop | Anyway, I'll just say what I have found out about the list acceleration. |
| 09:43:49 | PaulJam | JdGordon: another thing i just noticed: if you enter the system menu from the root menu and then leave it again, the first two entrys from the root menu are not visible. even though all enrys schould fit on the screen. |
| 09:44:36 | crop | I've looked into the code. The acceleration works like this: when the UP or DOWN key is held long enough, a sequence of REPEAT events is generated (at some fixed frequency, e.g. 5 times per second) |
| 09:46:24 | JdGordon | PaulJam: ok, thats fixed |
| 09:46:33 | crop | With each REPEAT event, the position of the list cursor is advanced by a delta. In the beginning, the delta is 1. And then, it's increased by 1 once per X milliseconds. |
| 09:47:47 | JdGordon | crop: the code is very simple... whats your problem? yes the language of the settings is bad.. suggest better language then.. |
| 09:48:03 | crop | The value of X is set by the "Accel Speed" option. |
| 09:48:52 | crop | JdGordon: I tried to understand what it does since only then can I find the right wording. But 2x/... is definitely wrong IMHO |
| 09:49:15 | crop | It suggests that the delta is doubled every x secs |
| 09:49:37 | JdGordon | yes, didnt I even say it was wrong in the commit message? really it doesnt matter, its just a representatino for the user... |
| 09:50:20 | crop | Why not just use values from, say, 1 to 10. The values don't have to have a meaning for the user other than 1=low acceleration, 10=highest acceleration |
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| 09:51:03 | crop | The current strings suggest a meaning which is wrong |
| 09:51:45 | crop | JdGordon: where are they defined btw? |
| 09:51:57 | * | B4gder just realized nls certainly got a nice highscore yday |
| 09:52:13 | JdGordon | crop: which? |
| 09:52:22 | crop | 2x/3s etc |
| 09:52:30 | JdGordon | settings_list.c |
| 09:52:36 | JdGordon | but dont change the function there... |
| 09:52:46 | JdGordon | the reason I used that was to save bin space... |
| 09:52:55 | JdGordon | that setting is used elsewhere... |
| 09:53:17 | JdGordon | if you really feel strongly, I would suggest chaning the acceleration algorithm to match the string |
| 09:55:24 | crop | JdGordon: I can't change code anyway. But if the same algorithm is used elsewhere (FF/REW accel?) then the string is also wrong there, i.e. it tells something that isn't true |
| 09:55:42 | GodEater | I agree with crop, I think the values displayed in the menu should be an easily understood (by the user) scale. It needn't have any bearing on what's actually going on in the code. |
| 09:55:51 | JdGordon | I guess the algo in the other place is corect |
| 09:56:19 | crop | JdGordon: you mean the speed is really doubled every x secs? |
| 09:57:02 | JdGordon | i dont know.. I havnt looked at that cde |
| 09:57:04 | JdGordon | code |
| 09:57:12 | crop | Yes, the same formatter is used for FF/RW accel |
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| 09:57:46 | JdGordon | PaulJam: yay, fixed both your bugs... just got the one in he forums to fix |
| 09:57:55 | crop | linuxstb: hey! Read a couple of lines above pls |
| 09:58:25 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I don't think it's right to display a setting list which has no relationship to an actual setting, just to save bin space. |
| 09:58:28 | linuxstb | crop: I have |
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| 10:00:31 | crop | linuxstb: and what do you think? (You've only said what you don't think :-) |
| 10:02:00 | linuxstb | I still think the same as yesterday - call the setting something like "list acceleration interval" and display the actual time in ms. I don't really like arbitrary "1-10" scales and would prefer the setting to say what it is. |
| 10:04:06 | linuxstb | (thinking about it, probably not ms, but seconds to 1 decimal place, if we keep that accuracy) |
| 10:04:17 | crop | linuxstb: I can agree with this. |
| 10:05:57 | JdGordon | ms is better... |
| 10:07:50 | GodEater | linuxstb: seen this post -> http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10653.msg81705#msg81705 ? It's got me stumped... |
| 10:08:47 | crashd | just a quick q, does the 'resume' function (ie, on the ipod5g, hold down play until it shuts down, then bootup and hit play again) work on filenames or an index of some kind? |
| 10:10:03 | B4gder | crashd: index in the playlist |
| 10:10:21 | crashd | and the playlist works on filenames, i assume? |
| 10:10:25 | B4gder | yes |
| 10:10:35 | crashd | that's strange |
| 10:10:35 | B4gder | and it saves the random seed for shuffle |
| 10:10:39 | B4gder | so that it can continue |
| 10:10:59 | crashd | if i shutdown, then add some files to the directory the last file played is in, it'll mess up what it's playing |
| 10:11:28 | B4gder | crashd: that's exactly because of that system, since the directory is turned into a playlist and played when you play a song |
| 10:11:56 | crashd | even if i only play one specific file from said directory? |
| 10:12:01 | B4gder | yes |
| 10:12:11 | crashd | oh, i see |
| 10:12:17 | B4gder | since when you press next, it goes to the next song |
| 10:12:44 | crashd | thanks for answering my dim quesiton B4gder :) |
| 10:12:56 | B4gder | no problems |
| 10:13:04 | crashd | that's been bugging me for ages |
| 10:13:12 | B4gder | I wrote lots of that code about 200 years ago |
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| 10:13:46 | GodEater | that was back in the days of the rockbox port to the Babbage Difference Engine then right ? |
| 10:13:54 | crashd | abacii |
| 10:14:15 | B4gder | GodEater: the best rockbox target we had! ;-) |
| 10:14:38 | GodEater | a little unwieldy in your pocket, but excellent feature set. |
| 10:14:53 | GodEater | steampunk rockbox |
| 10:15:14 | linuxstb | GodEater: Do the people having problems have 80GB ipods? |
| 10:15:44 | linuxstb | GodEater: (regarding that forum thread you pointed me to) |
| 10:15:55 | JdGordon | jonno@htpc:~/rockbox/h300-sim$ cd ../h300-sim/ <- stupid muscle memory doin the typing :p |
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| 10:19:16 | Dorian_ | so i just did the diff of two files and i don't think it came out completely corrected http://www.tingreendoor.com/misc/patch |
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| 10:20:40 | B4gder | Dorian_: that looks like you have a newline problem |
| 10:20:47 | B4gder | like different newlines on the files or similar |
| 10:22:29 | Dorian_ | huh? argh |
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| 10:25:08 | GodEater | linuxstb: yes, they're all 80GB iPod owners it seems |
| 10:25:37 | linuxstb | GodEater: And have they all done manual conversions to FAT32, or reformatted somehow? |
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| 10:28:22 | GodEater | linuxstb: unclear - I think that last post implies that particular user has, the windows users doesn't seem to have - but I could be wrong |
| 10:30:37 | linuxstb | If you can, it could be helpful to try reformatting your 80GB and see if Rockbox is still happy with it. |
| 10:33:30 | JdGordon | did anyon look at the left button patch I put on the dev ml? does the lack of comments mean noone cares if thats the way its done? |
| 10:34:02 | GodEater | linuxstb: hmm - I'll think about it |
| 10:34:21 | Dorian_ | B4gder: what do you mean different newlines? |
| 10:34:35 | B4gder | Dorian_: CRLF vs LF only |
| 10:34:58 | Dorian_ | B4gder: yea... um so how would i fix that? |
| 10:35:03 | GodEater | Dorian_: this is why I said I'd never use a windows dev environment for rockbox work |
| 10:35:18 | B4gder | Dorian_: switch to the good side: Linux |
| 10:35:20 | B4gder | :-) |
| 10:35:23 | Dorian_ | lol |
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| 10:35:33 | GodEater | or use cygwin |
| 10:35:35 | linuxstb | Dorian_: Or use a decent text editor (i.e. anything apart from notepad) |
| 10:35:41 | petur | notepad2 |
| 10:35:51 | Dorian_ | hmm, i thought i was using Notepad++ |
| 10:36:21 | linuxstb | Dorian_: Does that have a "line-ending" option ? You want to choose "Unix". |
| 10:36:28 | B4gder | Dorian_: do note that this is my _guess_ based on the look of that patch |
| 10:37:02 | linuxstb | Dorian_: Or you could just open and save the original file, so you convert that to Windows line-endings as well. Then the diff should be OK (if B4gder's guess is right) |
| 10:37:50 | petur | the _only_ problem I had with rb devwork under windows was slow compile time. For everything lese, there are fine tools (some I think are better than under linux) |
| 10:38:00 | petur | s/lese/else |
| 10:38:28 | Dorian_ | hmm, it does have an opiton for converting to unix, did that, reran diff in cygwin same thing |
| 10:38:48 | linuxstb | petur: Maybe you should document them in the wiki... |
| 10:39:23 | Dorian_ | ah, it was a different language from windos |
| 10:39:28 | Dorian_ | thanks guys |
| 10:39:30 | petur | Dorian_: if you are using WinMerge, there's an option to ignore line-endings |
| 10:39:44 | petur | (Edit->Options) |
| 10:40:21 | Dorian_ | petur: just made the file unix and batch language and it was fine when i re ran diff |
| 10:40:36 | Dorian_ | petur:thanks |
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| 10:41:50 | PaulJam_ | JdGordon: now there is a problem with paged scrolling disabled: if you scroll down a long list and reach the end of the list, then the display immediately jumps to the end of the list. |
| 10:41:57 | petur | linuxstb: I already have: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingCygwinAndTortoiseSVN |
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| 10:42:32 | * | JdGordon thought I didnt touch non-paged scrollin code :'( |
| 10:43:17 | darkskiez_ | do i need a newer bootloader to load rockbox on the 80G ? |
| 10:43:33 | GodEater | newer than what ? |
| 10:43:41 | darkskiez_ | newer than the ipodpatcher one on the wiki |
| 10:43:53 | GodEater | use the ipodpatcher linked in the manual |
| 10:44:02 | PaulJam_ | also, when you scroll up from the end of the list, it does a weird jump |
| 10:44:05 | JdGordon | PaulJam_: ah, hmm.. thats bad :p |
| 10:44:08 | GodEater | I've no idea which wiki link you're referring to |
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| 10:44:34 | darkskiez_ | GodEater: http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ipodpatcher/macosx/ that one i used |
| 10:44:39 | JdGordon | dinner... bbs |
| 10:45:16 | darkskiez_ | brb |
| 10:46:22 | GodEater | that looks like the right one |
| 10:48:23 | Dorian_ | so im about to submit the patch, how to a make sure i give myself the right credit? is that with the patch or the submition |
| 10:50:10 | petur | Dorian_: make sure you supply your real name and you'll receive credit ;) |
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| 10:50:27 | petur | (when it gets accepted of course) |
| 10:50:32 | Dorian_ | petur: real name where? |
| 10:50:42 | petur | in the patch tracker |
| 10:50:47 | Dorian_ | kk |
| 10:51:07 | amiconn | JdGordon: anomolys?? |
| 10:51:26 | petur | rofl |
| 10:51:36 | petur | new batteries for Jd :p |
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| 10:53:50 | Dorian_ | ok... patch #7111 is all done i think... |
| 10:54:04 | Dorian_ | yea, i love my podcasts |
| 10:55:59 | Dorian_ | so how likely are patches to be accepted? |
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| 10:59:23 | petur | Dorian_: that patch is in the wrong format |
| 10:59:56 | petur | must be unified format |
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| 11:00:36 | Dorian_ | petur:thanks |
| 11:01:41 | petur | Zagor: still something weird with flyspray, have a look at the history of http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7111 |
| 11:02:22 | Zagor | looking. what's the weird part? |
| 11:02:32 | petur | Notice: Undefined index: 0 in /usr/share/flyspray/htdocs/includes/events.inc.php on line 105 Field changed: Severity ( → Critical) |
| 11:02:34 | Zagor | oh |
| 11:02:36 | Zagor | saw it :) |
| 11:03:35 | Dorian_ | Zagor:that has nothing to me i take it? |
| 11:04:05 | Zagor | no, it's caused by our previously not using the severity field |
| 11:04:15 | Dorian_ | kk |
| 11:04:23 | Zagor | so in some places it's undefined, which causes this error |
| 11:05:05 | Dorian_ | alright, i put my 2cents in... hopefully it'll be accepted and all the fun stuff, now for an hour nap and off to class |
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| 11:06:04 | petur | Dorian_: still not the correct patch format |
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| 11:06:37 | Dorian_ | petur?:what now? |
| 11:06:54 | petur | how do you create the patch? |
| 11:07:32 | Dorian_ | cygwin... winmerge was acting weird |
| 11:08:01 | JdGordon | amiconn: I wold have thought tha by now speeling mistakes and typos in my commit messages would be ignored :p |
| 11:08:11 | petur | Dorian_: see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
| 11:08:39 | petur | use -u |
| 11:10:28 | * | amiconn likes how the apache spellchecker module is called mod_speling |
| 11:10:42 | JdGordon | lol |
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| 11:10:43 | B4gder | that's humor |
| 11:10:46 | petur | hahaha |
| 11:11:18 | B4gder | no wonder the http header is called "referer" (spelled wrong that is) |
| 11:11:20 | * | petur notices the webclient has 10+ seconds lag :( |
| 11:12:08 | * | JdGordon working hard to keep the build servers busy :p |
| 11:12:36 | * | petur asked his boss if the company wanted to sponsor rb but got a 'no' |
| 11:12:50 | Dorian_ | petur: thanks |
| 11:13:14 | JdGordon | petur: hoping for a spotters fee were you? |
| 11:13:35 | bluebrother | seems the list widget is / got quite buggy? |
| 11:13:36 | scorche | petur: ask for a raise and give that amount to Rockbox =P |
| 11:13:55 | petur | getting a raise was not the problem :p |
| 11:14:40 | petur | hmmm that idea of selling those bottles was not so good, no bidders and only 1 day to go... |
| 11:14:46 | JdGordon | bluebrother: shouold be all fixed now |
| 11:15:03 | * | scorche didnt think they would sell, but didnt want to be a downer |
| 11:15:15 | JdGordon | it was a fnny idea anyway... |
| 11:15:19 | petur | well at least I tried ;) |
| 11:15:24 | * | JdGordon would have bought one if he had a credit card |
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| 11:15:58 | Dorian_ | is there a way to remove comments you made on flyspray? |
| 11:16:10 | JdGordon | regular users cant |
| 11:16:52 | PaulJam_ | JdGordon: the issue with holding the DOWN button in lists with double lines seems to be still there |
| 11:16:58 | petur | you want to remove your comment about how you hate windows? I'll do that for you :p |
| 11:17:08 | Dorian_ | lol sure |
| 11:17:43 | Dorian_ | but seriously, just all that other bs would be great |
| 11:17:49 | JdGordon | PaulJam_: doh, forgot about that one |
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| 11:18:40 | petur | Dorian_: you should see my first patches, they were worse ;) |
| 11:19:01 | * | petur didn't mention 'bag of shit' there |
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| 11:19:41 | Dorian_ | ha, well i don't see myself doing any more patches. |
| 11:20:44 | Dorian_ | petur:so im good now? |
| 11:21:07 | petur | yes, now you have to start nagging people to commit it ;) (but not me!) |
| 11:21:25 | Dorian_ | ah... hmm ok |
| 11:21:34 | petur | just be patient |
| 11:21:59 | LinusN | petur: maybe you could sell bottles of shit? |
| 11:22:10 | Dorian_ | i assume if i just leave it be, it should be fine? |
| 11:22:12 | Dorian_ | ha |
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| 11:24:44 | Dorian_ | alright, now to bed. later and thanks again |
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| 11:26:05 | JdGordon | PaulJam_: fixed |
| 11:26:18 | PaulJam_ | JdGordon: thanks |
| 11:27:11 | JdGordon | do e have a policy regarding commiting mostly useless stuff which dont affect the core? i.e to tagnavi.config and plugins? |
| 11:28:21 | LinusN | the policy is "don't commit crap" |
| 11:28:28 | LinusN | :-) |
| 11:28:40 | JdGordon | and completly unrelated.. does the yes/no screen split text if the sentance doesnt fit on the screen |
| 11:29:32 | JdGordon | and what crap? 7111 imo could be done just as easly with tagnavi_custom.config so maybe shouldnt g in the core? but it doesnt actually cost anything to, so shouold it go in? |
| 11:29:45 | JdGordon | + there are a few new game plugins in FS waiting to go in |
| 11:32:07 | lex | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlREm8Rj_1o ! |
| 11:32:08 | lex | spread it |
| 11:34:23 | JdGordon | wtf? |
| 11:34:57 | lex | :) |
| 11:35:27 | JdGordon | amiconn: I tihnk im going to agree with you on the recording dir problem... seems to be the easiest to code also :p |
| 11:44:02 | bluebrother | who cares about games anyway? ;-) |
| 11:44:18 | bluebrother | damn, too much work today to even keep up reading irc :( |
| 11:47:56 | PaulJam_ | JdGordon: there is still a minor issue with the double line lists: if paged scrolling is on and the last item on a page is only half displayed (only the first line) the list should propably jump to the next page when this item gets highlighted. |
| 11:48:28 | JdGordon | yes it shuold |
| 11:48:40 | JdGordon | can you put that on FS? ill look at it tomoorw or later in the week |
| 11:48:53 | PaulJam_ | ok |
| 11:49:34 | darkskiez_ | i get can't load rockbox.ipod on my 80Gb, it says partition 1: 0x0B 19045MB which strikes me as wrong tho |
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| 11:50:51 | GodEater | darkskiez_: have you modified your ipod before in any way ? |
| 11:51:19 | darkskiez_ | i used the ipod 80Gb winpod MBR from the wiki to make it a winpod |
| 11:51:45 | darkskiez_ | it works on the apple firmware & hooked to my mac |
| 11:51:53 | DerPapst | GodEater: seen my reply about the 80GB iPods not finding rockbox.ipod? |
| 11:52:03 | GodEater | DerPapst: not yet |
| 11:52:27 | GodEater | Ah, |
| 11:52:30 | GodEater | just read it |
| 11:52:39 | GodEater | that would probably explain darkskiez_ problem too then |
| 11:52:49 | darkskiez_ | ive not seen it |
| 11:53:27 | DerPapst | i wonder if they are any other tools in linux for formatting fat32 partitions besides mkfs. |
| 11:53:31 | JdGordon | amiconn: ping.... |
| 11:54:04 | darkskiez_ | is there something i should try / read / etc ? |
| 11:54:05 | GodEater | you think it's a problem with mkfs on linux? Not OSX ? |
| 11:54:09 | DerPapst | darkskiez_: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10653.30 |
| 11:54:23 | DerPapst | maybe both |
| 11:54:35 | DerPapst | but mkfs on linux has the same issue |
| 11:54:45 | GodEater | how pathetic |
| 11:55:02 | GodEater | and XP won't let you format a FAT32 partition over a certain amount of GBs |
| 11:55:13 | GodEater | unless you use SwissKnife or something |
| 11:55:19 | darkskiez_ | i used osx disk utility |
| 11:55:59 | DerPapst | GodEater: yepp :( winblows refused to format my ipod... |
| 11:56:20 | amiconn | DerPapst: Hmm, maybe that bug only applies when dealing with devices where the device sector size is also > 512 bytes? |
| 11:57:06 | DerPapst | amiconn: yes. i've said the same in the forumpost. |
| 11:57:17 | amiconn | Back when developing the simple method to deal with large virtual fat sectors, I was able to create a fs with 2048 byte viirtual sectors just fine with mkfs.vfat |
| 11:57:33 | amiconn | But that was on a device with 512 byte physical sector |
| 11:58:09 | amiconn | The funny thing was that both linux and rockbox were able to handle that filesystem, but windows couldn't |
| 11:58:37 | GodEater | there's an alternative to mkdosfs on linux I'm sure of it |
| 11:58:41 | GodEater | I just can't think of the ame |
| 11:58:48 | GodEater | s/ame/name |
| 11:58:59 | DerPapst | using mkfs with 512bytes sectorsize works ok with rockbox. otherwise tons of ipl users who formatted their fat32 partition with mkfs whould complain here |
| 11:59:22 | DerPapst | ;) |
| 11:59:35 | darkskiez_ | so, was my flaw using the disk utility to format the ipod ? |
| 11:59:42 | darkskiez_ | should I have used the cmd line |
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| 12:00:04 | darkskiez_ | or will that not actually help |
| 12:00:10 | GodEater | darkskiez_: I don't think it would make any difference |
| 12:00:23 | DerPapst | the interessting thing is when i format my 80GB ipod with mkfs (-S 2048) the aplle fw still can read from the partition but now write to it. |
| 12:00:32 | GodEater | mtools |
| 12:00:35 | GodEater | that's it |
| 12:01:07 | GodEater | you use the mformat utility |
| 12:01:17 | GodEater | is that available for OSX? |
| 12:01:33 | DerPapst | i've tried that with the TuneTalk. it only recorded garbage. |
| 12:01:34 | darkskiez_ | damn, mtools isnt under ports |
| 12:02:12 | GodEater | you've tried what ? |
| 12:02:21 | markun | darkskiez_: freebsd? |
| 12:02:29 | darkskiez_ | darwinports |
| 12:02:52 | GodEater | darkskiez_: http://www.gallery.co.uk/mtoolsosx.html |
| 12:02:56 | darkskiez_ | fink has i |
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| 12:03:11 | GodEater | oh no |
| 12:03:14 | GodEater | that's completely wrong |
| 12:03:15 | GodEater | sorry |
| 12:03:17 | darkskiez_ | :) |
| 12:03:24 | darkskiez_ | i'm building it with fin k |
| 12:03:58 | JdGordon | grr.... petur just lft :( |
| 12:04:07 | JdGordon | rec ording path patch is finished! |
| 12:04:14 | GodEater | darkskiez_: remember, you must have the iPod *unmounted* in order to use mformat |
| 12:04:24 | JdGordon | stalls waiting for input if the rec directory isnt wriatable |
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| 12:07:15 | GodEater | I'm not sure what options to pass to mformat to get it to do the job properly mind you |
| 12:07:23 | GodEater | it might take some experimentation |
| 12:08:20 | GodEater | you also need to play with mtools.conf's content as well |
| 12:08:48 | DerPapst | this sound interesting for windows users... http://www.ridgecrop.demon.co.uk/index.htm?fat32format.htm |
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| 12:09:34 | JdGordon | amiconn: LinusN, whats the story with the two patches on FS to validate the filenames before creatin them? |
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| 12:15:47 | * | GodEater wonders whether it would be possible to create an empty filesystem, zip it up, and post it on the wiki with the mbr's. This could be dd'd to the iPod in the same manner as the mbr and hopefully sort out the problem. |
| 12:17:29 | JdGordon | no reason why not... |
| 12:17:51 | GodEater | I wonder how small we can get an 80GB filesystem though |
| 12:18:06 | JdGordon | use dd to create a file of the desired size, then mkefs.vfat on that file to create it |
| 12:18:57 | GodEater | we'd still hit the bug with the sector size though doing that ? |
| 12:19:23 | JdGordon | oh, yeah, probably |
| 12:19:39 | GodEater | also, I don't have the free disc space to create an 80GB file |
| 12:20:14 | JdGordon | pixelma: you round? |
| 12:22:36 | DerPapst | GodEater: i don't think that's a good idea. I bet a lot of people don't have 80GB space on their pcs/macs/whatever(s) to extract that file. and it could happen that they have iPL installed so the 80GB image would be too big for their fat32 partition |
| 12:23:58 | GodEater | DerPapst: those that have managed to get iPL installed I'd expect to be clued up enough to figure out how to use mtools to fix the issue themselves. |
| 12:24:09 | GodEater | Joe Public on the other hand I think shouldn't be expected to do so |
| 12:24:44 | * | GodEater wonders if it's an option we could build into rbutil |
| 12:25:23 | LinusN | you don't need an 80gb file |
| 12:25:29 | DerPapst | GodEater: do not underestimate the average moron. Most of the guys over at iPL don't know where the root on their ipods is. |
| 12:25:31 | LinusN | you only need the FAT |
| 12:25:42 | GodEater | LinusN: silly me, of course! |
| 12:26:10 | LinusN | i know of at least one who managed to dd his ipod partition image to his linux box |
| 12:26:42 | * | LinusN wanders off to lunch |
| 12:27:06 | * | GodEater is loathe to provide this file system image personally, since he only just finished organising the music on his iPod yesterday =/ |
| 12:27:48 | DerPapst | hehe |
| 12:27:57 | DerPapst | backup ipod_control :P |
| 12:28:28 | GodEater | I don't use iPod_Control |
| 12:28:33 | GodEater | that's kind of the point |
| 12:28:34 | DerPapst | or whatever you used to put music on your 'pod |
| 12:28:42 | GodEater | I moved all the music out of it |
| 12:28:44 | GodEater | and it took AGES |
| 12:28:51 | DerPapst | heh |
| 12:29:21 | GodEater | moving ~40GB of content is not a quick process, even if you have the space to do it, and I'm not sure I do |
| 12:29:40 | DerPapst | :) |
| 12:30:48 | DerPapst | i've only used about 15GB of my ipod right now... but i'm sure you don't want my fatpartition :P |
| 12:35:13 | DerPapst | the fat superblock contains the information how long the partition is? |
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| 12:39:41 | pixelma | JdGordon: looking for someone to try? |
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| 12:40:03 | JdGordon | pixelma: yeah :) if you can have a looky at the rec path patch |
| 12:40:17 | JdGordon | youll need the fat checking patch also if your testing rec t the mcc |
| 12:40:19 | JdGordon | mmc |
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| 12:42:20 | amiconn | JdGordon: pong... |
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| 12:42:52 | JdGordon | dw.. figured it out :) |
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| 12:48:06 | pixelma | JdGordon: there are 2 fatcheck patches in the tracker... |
| 12:48:22 | JdGordon | yeah, so i was told... both do the same thing |
| 12:49:22 | JdGordon | one of them shhuold get cmmited.... |
| 12:51:39 | XavierGr | amiconn: sorry to bother you again about this, but do you remember where do you get the GPIO signal for the ondio backlight mod? |
| 12:52:15 | XavierGr | or is it impossible to get that signal on the old ondio because it doesn't have the right chip? |
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| 12:58:40 | petur | that MS surface computer really looks nice |
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| 13:01:23 | markun | petur: what are you refering to? |
| 13:01:53 | petur | http://www.microsoft.com/surface/ |
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| 13:02:25 | Nico_P | I'm just seeing a black page... |
| 13:02:37 | Nico_P | oh no something arrived |
| 13:02:47 | petur | skip the intro |
| 13:02:51 | XavierGr | isn't that technology an apple thing? |
| 13:03:16 | XavierGr | multi touch screen or how they call it |
| 13:03:27 | petur | putting IR cameras below the surface really is a neat trick |
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| 13:05:05 | DerPapst | but 5000 to 10000 buck is a bit... expensive? |
| 13:05:17 | intgr | Well, all that stuff has been done long ago. |
| 13:05:19 | B4gder | indeed fancy demo videos |
| 13:05:40 | intgr | Microsoft is just putting it all together. |
| 13:05:52 | markun | petur: looks somewhat like this project: http://youtube.com/watch?v=89sz8ExZndc |
| 13:06:46 | markun | maybe it's the same project, bought by microsoft |
| 13:06:58 | B4gder | or just stolen ;-) |
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| 13:07:06 | petur | the MS site says they've been working on it from 2001 |
| 13:07:46 | petur | well multi-touch is one thing, the software behind it is something else |
| 13:07:58 | Zagor | now THIS is cutting-edge ui design: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h-RhyopUmc |
| 13:08:17 | intgr | Yeah, Reactable is cool. |
| 13:08:32 | petur | looking at the speed of it, it's either a trick or attached to a supercomputer. Or they didn't write the OS for it |
| 13:09:26 | markun | petur: some more info: http://cs.nyu.edu/~jhan/ |
| 13:09:29 | intgr | Huh? Any cheap 3D graphics card can do that without the blink of an eye. |
| 13:10:18 | * | petur wonders what "Frustrated Total Internal Reflection" is |
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| 13:12:52 | * | markun wonders why the videos on the MS site are interlaced |
| 13:14:44 | GodEater | because that's the key thing really |
| 13:14:48 | GodEater | not what they're about |
| 13:14:49 | GodEater | :) |
| 13:15:28 | markun | petur: but yes, pretty nice |
| 13:15:35 | intgr | petur: "frustrated total internal reflection (FTIR), a technique familiar to the biometrics community where it is used for fingerprint image acquisition. It acquires true touch information at high spatial and temporal resolutions, and is scalable to very large installations" |
| 13:18:37 | amiconn | XavierGr: The signal should be present on one of the el chip pads |
| 13:19:56 | intgr | I wonder how do they handle the problem of greasy fingerprints. |
| 13:20:26 | petur | markun: damn that thing looks pretty real: http://youtube.com/watch?v=6xZnyC09QbA |
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| 13:25:08 | DerPapst | that's prtty sick too :-D |
| 13:25:52 | B4gder | nono, you always want to see those photos on your coffee table and sit there rotating them endlessly... |
| 13:26:12 | petur | :) |
| 13:27:05 | * | DerPapst solders a wifi chip in his iPod and Photocamera to be up to date |
| 13:27:30 | * | GodEater has just been invited here : http://www.thechap.net/content/section_news/chap-events.html |
| 13:27:35 | * | GodEater is suitable worried |
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| 13:27:43 | GodEater | s/suitable/suitably |
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| 13:28:38 | DerPapst | does the fat superblock contain some information how long the partition is? |
| 13:29:03 | petur | yes |
| 13:29:06 | sbeh | it must |
| 13:29:28 | DerPapst | aw... then i have to format my ipod the sooner or later. |
| 13:29:29 | sbeh | because when use resize partition, the filesystem stays |
| 13:29:42 | sbeh | use = you |
| 13:30:13 | DerPapst | http://pastebin.ca/522283 |
| 13:30:50 | XavierGr | amiconn: you mean the pads lines up oposite from the microphone? (on the old ondio fm picture) |
| 13:31:13 | XavierGr | ah you said the chip |
| 13:31:32 | darkskiez_ | i've build mtools for osx, i cant see the proper invocation on the wiki to format the 80Gb correctly |
| 13:31:33 | XavierGr | so I guess you mean the bigger ones just below the ones I just said |
| 13:32:04 | DerPapst | is there anyway to alter FAT superblock to match the MBR again? |
| 13:32:07 | markun | rbutil also works with the Gigabeat, right? |
| 13:32:08 | XavierGr | amiconn: strange though because last time I measured it I didn't found any voltage on these pads |
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| 13:32:29 | GodEater | darkskiez_: that's because there IS no documentation on the wiki about it - we only just thought of it as a solution remember ? |
| 13:32:39 | darkskiez_ | i dont remmerb |
| 13:32:53 | GodEater | it was like an hour ago |
| 13:32:55 | DerPapst | too much alcohol isn't good for you |
| 13:32:59 | GodEater | when you went off to build it |
| 13:33:26 | Nico_P | markun: yes, it does |
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| 13:34:08 | webguest14 | hi all, im having trouble with rockbox on my iriver H10... when i run it, it makes the player go hot (temperature wize) and the batter only lasts a little...... |
| 13:34:32 | Nico_P | JdGordon: have you fixed FS #7237 ? |
| 13:34:45 | darkskiez_ | GodEater: any guesses on an invocation? |
| 13:34:46 | GodEater | webguest14: it's well published that we don't run very well on PortalPlayer based targets such as the H10 |
| 13:34:57 | GodEater | darkskiez_: nope - read the manual page for mformat |
| 13:35:07 | darkskiez_ | GodEater: i can read, i just dont know the spec |
| 13:35:16 | GodEater | darkskiez_: you'll also have to edit mtools.conf |
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| 13:35:41 | darkskiez_ | ive got mdir working for listing my ipod |
| 13:35:43 | GodEater | darkskiez_: well you have to specify a sector size of 2048, FAT32 file system. That's about it |
| 13:36:22 | darkskiez_ | mformat: Unknown geometry |
| 13:37:34 | GodEater | darkskiez_: which options did you use ? |
| 13:38:11 | darkskiez_ | mformat -F -M 2048 a: |
| 13:38:33 | darkskiez_ | it wants [-t tracks] [-h heads] [-n sectors] i think |
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| 13:40:04 | GodEater | hmm - it shouldn't do |
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| 13:44:35 | darkskiez_ | to make mdir work - Total number of sectors not a multiple of sectors per track! - Add mtools_skip_check=1 to your .mtoolsrc file to skip this test |
| 13:44:42 | darkskiez_ | i dont know if thats part of the problem |
| 13:45:38 | GodEater | yeah I've just got that too |
| 13:45:49 | darkskiez_ | minfo a: |
| 13:45:55 | darkskiez_ | suggests- mformat command line: mformat -t 4781 -h 255 -s 32 a: |
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| 13:46:37 | GodEater | damn the webclient is playing up today |
| 13:48:01 | darkskiez_ | minfo a:- minfo a: |
| 13:48:06 | darkskiez_ | suggests- mformat command line: mformat -t 4781 -h 255 -s 32 a: |
| 13:48:19 | GodEater | saw it in the log, but thanks :) |
| 13:48:56 | GodEater | now I get a *completely* different bunch of numbers to you |
| 13:48:58 | darkskiez_ | what does minfo give for someone that has a working ipod |
| 13:49:54 | GodEater | hang on, I'll post mine to pastebin |
| 13:50:55 | GodEater | http://pastebin.ca/522314 |
| 13:51:07 | GodEater | can you put the full contents of your minfo results there too ? |
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| 13:52:36 | darkskiez_ | http://pastebin.ca/522322 |
| 13:53:00 | GodEater | lord pastebin is slow |
| 13:53:30 | darkskiez_ | its a complicated script :) |
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| 13:54:25 | GodEater | well, I guess you can try the mformat command it suggests for mine |
| 13:54:35 | GodEater | if you have a non-working iPod currently, it cant' hurt :) |
| 13:54:36 | * | DerPapst doesn't like the new look of pastebin |
| 13:54:55 | GodEater | DerPapst: what did they change ? |
| 13:54:59 | darkskiez_ | DerPapst: - Like the new style? Find any quirks in it? Let me know! at the top |
| 13:54:59 | darkskiez_ | :) |
| 13:55:02 | GodEater | it's too subtle for me :) |
| 13:55:21 | GodEater | darkskiez_: you maintain it ? |
| 13:55:29 | darkskiez_ | GodEater: god no |
| 13:55:40 | darkskiez_ | GodEater: i meant to quote that |
| 13:56:13 | GodEater | ah |
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| 13:56:46 | GodEater | when you said "it's a complicated script" followed by that suggestion, I thought perhaps you looked after it :) |
| 13:57:10 | GodEater | going to try that mformat command then from my minfo output ? |
| 13:57:15 | darkskiez | yeh |
| 13:57:20 | GodEater | don't forget -F |
| 13:57:25 | GodEater | to make sure it's FAT32 |
| 13:57:37 | darkskiez | want 8 sector clusters too i suppose |
| 13:58:11 | GodEater | looks like it |
| 13:58:43 | darkskiez | i'll run withut and see what minfo gives back |
| 13:59:00 | darkskiez | christ this is slo |
| 13:59:40 | amiconn | XavierGr: The voltage will of course only be there when rockbox or the of enables the backlight... that's the purpose of using gpio |
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| 14:00:06 | amiconn | It might also be that there is an element missing between the cpu and the empty pad |
| 14:00:39 | darkskiez | Oh, thats crap |
| 14:00:51 | darkskiez | its come back with only 2424 cyls |
| 14:01:49 | darkskiez | i'm removing the -H option / hidden sectors |
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| 14:02:53 | darkskiez | it also only did 512byte sectors.. |
| 14:03:24 | GodEater | right - we need to get it to do the 2048 byte ones too |
| 14:03:43 | darkskiez | adding -S 2048 and -M 2048 (soft/hard sect size) |
| 14:04:01 | darkskiez | what do u think about the hidden sectors? add or not? |
| 14:04:06 | GodEater | -S isn't specified as the number of sectors though I think |
| 14:04:11 | GodEater | I'd leave that bit alone for now |
| 14:04:30 | darkskiez | [-S hardsectorsize] [-M softsectorsize] |
| 14:04:37 | GodEater | really ? |
| 14:04:44 | GodEater | -S is "sizecode" is my version |
| 14:04:51 | darkskiez | Mtools version 3.9.9, dated 3 March 2003 |
| 14:04:57 | GodEater | "The sizecode. The size of the sector is 2 ^ (sizecode + 7)." |
| 14:05:20 | GodEater | Mtools version 3.9.10, dated March 2nd, 2005 |
| 14:05:51 | GodEater | hmm, although specifying -h to mformat returns the same thing you just posted |
| 14:05:58 | GodEater | I love consistency in docs =/ |
| 14:06:08 | GodEater | well go with it, see what happens =/ |
| 14:06:15 | XavierGr | amiconn: but of course I tried with backlight enabled build :) |
| 14:06:16 | amiconn | XavierGr: No element in between. Backlight enable signal should be present on pad1 of the SP4403 |
| 14:06:32 | XavierGr | amiconn: I think I found it but I am not exactly sure |
| 14:07:08 | darkskiez | lunch |
| 14:07:50 | XavierGr | amiconn: I found a voltage of around 3.2 volts when backlight is enabled between a pad just under the white sticker and one of those little strip pads that you mount the el chip |
| 14:08:15 | XavierGr | maybe using a transistor I could make a LED switch |
| 14:09:29 | XavierGr | amiconn: on another note, do you think that it would be possible to automatically power the ondio on usb power like e.g the H300? |
| 14:11:44 | amiconn | Should be possible with some modification |
| 14:13:37 | XavierGr | if you happen to know something on it, please inform. |
| 14:13:48 | XavierGr | thanks for your help so far btw |
| 14:16:52 | XavierGr | yup I finally found the signal, voltage will drop after x seconds of inactivity (and x seconds in the backlight settings) |
| 14:17:43 | XavierGr | now I will have to buy a proper transistor, resistor and LED, and hope that it will work out |
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| 14:30:07 | rp- | hi |
| 14:30:34 | GodEater | hello |
| 14:34:47 | rp- | i had mail traffic with AMS today, they wrote me how the sansa port is going on. and i asked them about the port for their new chip, we will arrange a meeting in july, as soon as my contact is back from the US. |
| 14:35:25 | B4gder | nice |
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| 14:37:28 | rp- | would be cool if we had a working port, before the first player is on the market |
| 14:37:38 | rp- | or at least some working drivers |
| 14:38:07 | B4gder | rp-: do you know if they will sell/market it under their own name? |
| 14:38:17 | petur | that would be something new... most ports are for players no longer sold... |
| 14:38:20 | B4gder | AMS is hardly a known brand in this area... |
| 14:39:41 | rp- | no they just sell their chips, i asked them about that on the last meeting, and they said without a known brand you hardly have a chance on that market |
| 14:39:53 | B4gder | yeah, my thinking too |
| 14:40:58 | rp- | i didn't even know that they exists until you said some chip of them is in the sansa player, then i realised that we have such a company in austria :) |
| 14:43:25 | B4gder | :-) |
| 14:44:57 | rp- | anyone know how far austriancoder got with his usb work? |
| 14:45:16 | petur | evaluating stacks I think |
| 14:49:25 | darkskiez | GodEater: YAY, the mformat worked |
| 14:49:44 | darkskiez | mformat -t 2428 -h 255 -s 63 -S 2048 -M 2048 -F |
| 14:50:12 | LinusN | darkskiez: run to the wiki and document it |
| 14:50:35 | DerPapst | wow... lots of args |
| 14:52:26 | GodEater | darkskiez: very definitely put that in the wiki as LinusN says |
| 14:52:33 | darkskiez | just registered |
| 14:52:45 | darkskiez | will add it to the Fat32 Conversion page |
| 14:52:49 | GodEater | with your real name I hope :) |
| 14:52:54 | darkskiez | Yes |
| 14:53:48 | LinusN | darkskiez: i just granted you write permission in the wiki |
| 14:54:03 | darkskiez | ah, merci |
| 14:55:00 | GodEater | I guess we'll need some instructions on where to get mtools from for OSX tool =/ |
| 14:55:08 | GodEater | s/tool/too |
| 14:57:17 | darkskiez | I could make a dmg with mtools built |
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| 15:01:05 | GodEater | that would be very useful |
| 15:01:32 | darkskiez | might be easiest to format one, gzip it up (it'd be tiny) so people could just gunzip it > /dev/diskXs2 |
| 15:01:48 | darkskiez | then no tools would be needed |
| 15:02:04 | * | GodEater has little/no experience with OSX, so whatever you think best. |
| 15:03:11 | darkskiez | should I have rockbox preinstalled on the image ? |
| 15:03:50 | GodEater | probably not |
| 15:04:05 | darkskiez | actually, that'd require writing 80Gb of 0's over USB, not fun |
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| 15:06:46 | JdGordon | Nico_P: no not yet |
| 15:09:46 | t3hwiz0rd | does anyone else seem to have an issue where their ipod video has slow scroll and volume control? and seems to eat battery to the floor? |
| 15:10:31 | GodEater | t3hwiz0rd: yes - everyone that has rockbox on their ipod. |
| 15:10:52 | t3hwiz0rd | hmmm... well thats a shame, if it wasn't an issue, it'd be absolutely perfect :-( |
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| 15:17:26 | GodEater | t3hwiz0rd: we don't choose to make it that way - we'd love to fix it, it's just that PortalPlayer is not documented at all - so we don't fully know how to use it's features. |
| 15:19:39 | B4gder | maybe that battery_suck() function in firmware/ipod/pointless.c should be removed? |
| 15:19:47 | B4gder | :-P |
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| 15:23:55 | Zagor | nah, everyone that cares removes themselves it anyway |
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| 15:24:29 | GodEater | along with the waste_lots_of_cpu_cycles_so_we_scroll_slowly() ? |
| 15:26:19 | darkskiez | Theres a bug in the manual - http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 dead link to ipodpatcher osx dmg, its changed name. |
| 15:26:41 | GodEater | submit a patch? :) |
| 15:27:02 | darkskiez | would do, but i just dont quite care enough. |
| 15:27:15 | darkskiez | its one of those days |
| 15:27:17 | GodEater | that's a shame :( |
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| 15:33:06 | JdGordon | pixelma: petur, did you try out the new rec dir patch? |
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| 15:33:49 | petur | JdGordon: not yet completely... |
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| 16:37:27 | bluebrother | Bagder: the macos ipodpatcher dmg file has now a version number in it. I think it would be best to have a symlink to the most recent version so the manual is always up to date. |
| 16:37:58 | bluebrother | (as the windows / linux version also doesn't have a version number in the file name) |
| 16:38:12 | B4gder | done |
| 16:38:22 | bluebrother | cool :) |
| 16:39:07 | bluebrother | darkskiez: manual fixed :p |
| 16:39:38 | darkskiez | yay |
| 16:40:59 | Nico_P | darkskiez: français ? |
| 16:41:20 | darkskiez | no |
| 16:41:33 | Nico_P | oh |
| 16:41:42 | Nico_P | didn't you say "merci" ? |
| 16:42:08 | darkskiez | perhaps :) |
| 16:42:11 | markun | "Rockbox is the solution, it will make the S a UMS device. It's still probably a good 3 months away from running on the S though." |
| 16:42:16 | markun | from http://www.mygigabeat.com/forum/messages.cfm?threadid=CEC364DE-3048-2906-EAB2F3AD1F34EE82 |
| 16:42:29 | markun | what an optimist :) |
| 16:43:17 | petur | hehe |
| 16:46:19 | bluebrother | what's the main differenct of the S? New encryption or only a new bunch of unknown hardware? |
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| 16:48:29 | markun | bluebrother: there are many differences |
| 16:48:39 | markun | the OF is now windows based instead on linux based |
| 16:49:43 | markun | it has a faster ARM core with a floating point vector unit |
| 16:50:19 | bluebrother | linux based firmware? Wouldn't that require the sources to be available somewhere? |
| 16:50:19 | markun | but it has the same screen as the X |
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| 16:50:29 | markun | bluebrother: I have the source if you want |
| 16:50:41 | B4gder | there are many linux based ones, but they all do the binary-modules dance |
| 16:50:52 | markun | indeed |
| 16:50:53 | bluebrother | blargh :( |
| 16:51:26 | bluebrother | I currently neither have money to buy an S nor time to really hack it. Unfortunately −− guess this would be fun. |
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| 16:54:43 | markun | I wonder why all the components of the Gigabeats have publicly available documentation available (or why this is not the case with other DAP manfs) |
| 16:55:52 | toffe82 | markun: not all component, some are under nda |
| 16:56:06 | markun | toffe82: the LCD? |
| 16:56:22 | toffe82 | the fm chip |
| 16:56:44 | toffe82 | and the video also I think |
| 16:57:56 | toffe82 | but google is still a good friend ;) |
| 16:58:06 | markun | you have both? |
| 16:58:15 | toffe82 | yes |
| 16:58:17 | amiconn | markun: The iriver components also have publicly available docs |
| 16:58:35 | toffe82 | markun: I have all except the lcd |
| 16:58:38 | amiconn | CPU, lcd controller, pmu, usbotg... |
| 16:58:48 | markun | amiconn: true, I forgot about that.. |
| 16:59:07 | amiconn | And the archoses too, except programming docs for the mas |
| 16:59:38 | markun | so it's not so bad after all (or we just choose easy DAPs to port rockbox to :) |
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| 17:00:52 | amiconn | The only nda components which are annoying so far are: the PP chips, the AS3514, and the usbotg controller in the X5 |
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| 17:01:28 | petur | oh... we have no doc on the usbotg of the x5? |
| 17:01:33 | amiconn | (the ones I know of) |
| 17:02:05 | toffe82 | what reference is it ? |
| 17:02:31 | amiconn | ALi M5636 |
| 17:03:11 | amiconn | petur: Correct. But maybe finding that info via RE might not be too difficult; our send-to-sleep driver already works based on REd info |
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| 17:09:18 | amiconn | petur: I think it will become easier to find the necessary information once we got usbotg working on one of the other targets, like H300 |
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| 17:10:23 | petur | Do you think so? I feel the interaction between driver and controller chip is quite complicated |
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| 17:10:46 | petur | many timers, statemachines, statusregisters |
| 17:11:19 | amiconn | We could also try to write to ALi and ask for the datasheet. They say they decide on a case by case basis who gets the datasheet |
| 17:11:50 | amiconn | Then it'd probably also be helpful to have a working usb stack... |
| 17:11:52 | petur | we should do that anyway, you never know how they react |
| 17:12:29 | petur | well host != device stack and I fear device stack will be the focus |
| 17:12:54 | petur | which is why I'm working on that philips usbotg stack |
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| 17:14:27 | * | petur must check out those universal host specs just in case h300 or x5 is compatible |
| 17:17:59 | petur | currently, the stack on h300 fails getting various descriptors from the device. Once that works, it should load the class driver :) |
| 17:18:23 | petur | I probably screwed up the malloc hack I inserted |
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| 17:19:42 | amiconn | gah, malloc |
| 17:19:48 | petur | indeed |
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| 17:21:00 | petur | in this case it's quite normal because you never know how many interfaces the device has, so they allocate mem for each one |
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| 17:25:23 | amiconn | But there is an upper limit (8 afaik) |
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| 17:25:52 | amiconn | Btw, what was the problem with Vbus? |
| 17:26:03 | petur | me not enabling it? |
| 17:26:27 | amiconn | umm |
| 17:26:29 | petur | stupid coding error |
| 17:27:28 | amiconn | Coding errors can indeed be stupid... that's why my 80GB sector cache didn't work in the first try at devcon... |
| 17:27:37 | amiconn | Just forgot to invert a bitmask... |
| 17:27:51 | petur | well I verified that the things we found through RE are correct, so not too bad that I did the tracing |
| 17:29:06 | amiconn | And you know about SMD diodes now ;) |
| 17:29:15 | petur | hehe |
| 17:29:26 | petur | that was stupid indeed |
| 17:29:54 | petur | you'd never guess I actually have a diploma in electronics |
| 17:30:10 | petur | just never did anything with it and I forgot most about it |
| 17:37:00 | markun | rockbox is not really an advantage on the Gigabeat unless you are blind?? http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2007-05/0286.shtml |
| 17:38:04 | GodEater | hahaha |
| 17:38:11 | GodEater | "unless you want all the extra features" |
| 17:38:20 | GodEater | isn't that kind of the point ? :) |
| 17:38:41 | krazykit | the default firmware made me want to kick something, and i only used it for 30 seconds |
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| 17:39:28 | * | GodEater never booted into the OF even once |
| 17:39:33 | GodEater | I don't even know what it looks like |
| 17:39:36 | markun | as if NOT encrypting the music is a feature of rockbox.. |
| 17:39:42 | GodEater | and the install CD that came with it is a coaster now :) |
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| 17:40:00 | amiconn | I cannot comment on the gigabeat OF, but on most targets it's not just more features and format support |
| 17:41:59 | amiconn | It's sometimes even a quantum leap, ranging from longer battery life (except PP targets), better sound quality, easier handling, faster booting, and independency from certain annoyance tools (like itunes) |
| 17:41:59 | * | GodEater is puzzled what it's about in that case |
| 17:42:11 | GodEater | I call all those things features =/ |
| 17:43:00 | markun | GodEater: well, then you agree with that guy, it offers nothing besides the added features :) |
| 17:45:45 | GodEater | I guess so - if you put it like that. He makes it sound like it's a stretch to want them. |
| 17:48:33 | toffe82 | nobody wants a X60, shipping is a little expensive : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=015&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=250117869748&rd=1&rd=1 |
| 17:50:06 | n1s | toffe82: meh, it ships to usa only... |
| 17:50:17 | amiconn | No X80 or X100? |
| 17:50:21 | toffe82 | yes but 35$ for us , it is exepnsive |
| 17:50:34 | toffe82 | amiconn: no ;) |
| 17:51:11 | perldiver | I'd definitely advise rockboxing if blind. If not there |
| 17:51:11 | perldiver | isn't much of an advantage |
| 17:51:13 | perldiver | HA HA |
| 17:51:15 | krazykit | you could probably put one of toshiba's ipod hard drives in the gigabeat |
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| 17:51:45 | krazykit | looks like the same size, but i'd want to check before trying |
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| 17:52:29 | amiconn | toffe82: What type of connector do the gigabeat harddrives have? Classic ata (like the irivers and iaudios) or zif (like the ipods)? |
| 17:52:56 | toffe82 | zif for the X and female for the F |
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| 17:56:38 | Ioon1 | hello |
| 17:57:04 | Ioon1 | its possible to use opengl es in rockbox, where i can found information, thanks |
| 17:58:21 | n1s | loon1: none of our supported targets have open gl hardware |
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| 17:59:11 | Ioon1 | ok |
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| 18:00:19 | desowin | I understand that Gigabeat have 300Mhz, but why pleayer would have GPU ? :O |
| 18:01:13 | markun | Ioon1: I think it's possible with the Gigabeat S |
| 18:01:31 | markun | but that's not rockbox supported (yet) |
| 18:01:54 | krazykit | it'd be cool if it was. there are occasionally really good deals on the S-series |
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| 18:02:11 | perldiver | toffe82 that user doesnt accept paypal |
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| 18:02:30 | markun | Ioon1: http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/overview.jsp?nodeId=02XPgQ8217297336425774 |
| 18:02:36 | perldiver | toffe82 only Money order/Cashiers check |
| 18:02:51 | Ioon1 | ok thans |
| 18:02:54 | perldiver | fishy |
| 18:03:04 | markun | Ioon1: that CPU is also in the Zune |
| 18:03:07 | markun | and Gigabeat V |
| 18:03:17 | toffe82 | perldiver: yes, I just saw this, and it is a new seller also |
| 18:03:34 | perldiver | yeah but he registered in 02 |
| 18:03:54 | Ioon1 | mmm, i have and ipot 5g |
| 18:04:06 | toffe82 | perldiver: you want it ;) |
| 18:04:21 | perldiver | toffe82 im not so sure :P |
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| 18:06:49 | markun | Ioon1: are you working on some project or why do you ask? |
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| 18:07:25 | n1s | markun: according to the GigabeatSInfo page in our wiki the Gigabeat S has the i.MX31L which doesn't have the gpu part... |
| 18:07:43 | toffe82 | perldiver: perhaps he is buinyg to the chinese and resell here, that would explain the 35$ ;) |
| 18:08:14 | Ioon1 | i develop a 3d medical image for nokia mobile. |
| 18:08:37 | perldiver | toffe82 ha, but yes i thought so too, those are connected |
| 18:08:48 | toffe82 | nls : no gpu but 533Mhz, so a lot of cpu power for just sound |
| 18:09:07 | n1s | toffe82: you might even call it overkill :-) |
| 18:09:08 | toffe82 | perldiver: I send him an email |
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| 18:09:12 | Ioon1 | with opengl and c++. I have a ipot and change firmware for backbox, in pluging i see a cube program and think its made with opengl |
| 18:10:02 | Domonoky_ | cube is not opengl, its handcoded.. |
| 18:10:21 | Ioon1 | yes i see, jeje |
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| 18:11:16 | Ioon1 | opengl have and example of the same cube |
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| 18:12:38 | darkskiez | Ioon1: dicom compatible? :) |
| 18:13:00 | Ioon1 | yes |
| 18:13:11 | darkskiez | fancy |
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| 18:23:05 | markun | n1s: ah.. good point |
| 18:23:55 | markun | :) |
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| 18:30:57 | Ioon1 | it's possible compile opengl es from sources in balckbox ¿? |
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| 18:33:22 | Domonoky_ | Ioon1: whats balckbox ? |
| 18:33:35 | Ioon1 | linux distro |
| 18:33:54 | Ioon1 | mmm, sorry, jeje |
| 18:34:04 | Ioon1 | blackbox == rockbox |
| 18:34:14 | Domonoky_ | :-) |
| 18:34:24 | Domonoky_ | so no linux distro.. :-) |
| 18:34:37 | Ioon1 | yes, sorry, sorry |
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| 18:34:40 | desowin | blackbox was C64 cartridge ;-) |
| 18:35:02 | Ioon1 | or gui desktop |
| 18:35:40 | Domonoky_ | and i dont think its possible to compile opengl for rockbox, and it would be a bit overkill on these small machines.. :-) |
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| 18:38:52 | VPN-User | Hello there |
| 18:39:04 | markun | hi VPN-User |
| 18:39:11 | VPN-User | Did anyone dig into the battery problem on the recorders v1? |
| 18:39:24 | VPN-User | Or am I the only one with that problem? |
| 18:40:10 | VPN-User | I know most of you don' t use (test) them anymore |
| 18:40:28 | markun | most of us don't even have one I think |
| 18:40:32 | VPN-User | It' s rather old (but I like it ;-)) |
| 18:40:50 | VPN-User | Yes |
| 18:41:25 | VPN-User | But IMHO its a shame that rockbox doesn' t run properly anymore on this device. I mean rockbox was born on these... |
| 18:41:52 | markun | yes, it's a shame if it doesn't |
| 18:42:01 | markun | maybe amiconn can help you? |
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| 18:42:42 | VPN-User | There were a lot "hm" and "..." last time I mentioned the problem ;-) |
| 18:42:50 | Nico_P | I think there are few people with recorders here |
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| 18:43:33 | VPN-User | Funny thing is: Stock firmware charges the battery properly so it' s defenitely not a hardware problem |
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| 18:47:03 | VPN-User | I guess I have to dig into C, checkout a very old rockbox build and try to backport it into current rockbox code... |
| 18:47:23 | VPN-User | I mean the battery-code |
| 18:48:13 | VPN-User | Or is there anyone with a flashable stock firmware so I can get rid of rockbox? |
| 18:48:49 | VPN-User | O got the rockbox-virus ^^ |
| 18:49:12 | VPN-User | it infected the charging-algorithm :) |
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| 18:51:24 | Domonoky_ | VPN-User: you dont have the backup from when you flashed your archos first ? |
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| 18:52:25 | Bagder | I would guess you suffer from a bug that has been in there for ages |
| 18:52:46 | Bagder | there's just not enough recorder users these days |
| 18:52:55 | Bagder | to discover bugs I mean |
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| 18:57:35 | n1s | is it bad to put the range checking of a function parameter inside the function instead of doing it before calling the function? |
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| 18:59:03 | VPN-User | @Bagder I may help bugfixing |
| 18:59:19 | VPN-User | I experience this problem since rockbox 2.4 |
| 18:59:59 | VPN-User | @Domonoky_: No, I don' t :( |
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| 19:01:13 | mpeccorini | n1s: I think it's better that way, otherwise you end up range checking every time you use the function |
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| 19:02:16 | n1s | mpeccorini: yes I know, I was tinking of moving range checking of the volume into the sound_set_volume function but wonderd if there was a reason it was done the way it was |
| 19:02:25 | mpeccorini | n1s: however, if you do, you need to check the result of the function for errors in the parameter ranges :p |
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| 19:03:36 | mpeccorini | n1s: I would move it, otherwise, someone could call the function with a value out of the range and cause unpredictable results |
| 19:03:41 | n1s | mpeccorini: well, in the case of volume we just do a if(value<min_vol) value=min_vol and if (value>max_vol) value=max_vol |
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| 19:04:09 | n1s | mpeccorini: ok, i will move it, and see if anyone complains :-) |
| 19:04:21 | linuxstb | n1s: IIUC, the general rule in Rockbox is not to range check function parameters inside the function, but to make it the caller's responsibility to do things right. |
| 19:04:21 | mpeccorini | n1s: exactly, that part is better done inside the function, there's absolutely no other way of handling the situation |
| 19:04:37 | linuxstb | But of course there are exceptions... |
| 19:06:36 | n1s | linuxstb: ah, ok, I'll move the wrapper function that checks the value out of gwps-common.c and put it in misc.c and use it in more places instead then :-) |
| 19:06:53 | VPN-User | Question: Why not just revert the old charging-code that worked? |
| 19:07:18 | VPN-User | at least for recorder-builds... |
| 19:07:57 | DerPapst | using the wrapper in more places sounds like a waste of binsize... |
| 19:11:59 | n1s | DerPapst: well, it's a save compared to doing the same checks in many places |
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| 19:18:32 | linuxstb | n1s: That volume changing code looks odd to me. Couldn't the inc/dec code just be "if (volume < max_vol) volume++;" ? (and the same for decrementing). |
| 19:19:24 | n1s | linuxstb: yes, I guess so |
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| 19:21:15 | n1s | linuxstb: hmm, I think it's the way it is because it checks both limits at the same time |
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| 19:21:58 | pixelma | VPN-User: your description sounds a bit vague... (which code to revert to? was it really better at one point?) |
| 19:22:04 | pixelma | you'd have to make sure that it would work correctly _now_ with an older version of rockbox (and the batteries you use). If you can compile yourself, you could try to find out when exactly it broke. |
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| 19:23:12 | VPN-User | pixelma: Yes it was! Rockbox 2.3 at least charged the battery. perhaps not optimal for a long battery lifetime, but at least for long playtime (15h instead of only ~1h now) |
| 19:23:35 | amiconn | Did you use 2.3 with _the same_ batteries _now_? |
| 19:23:55 | amiconn | Batteries vary among manufacturers, and they also suffer from aging |
| 19:24:06 | VPN-User | they are relatively new |
| 19:24:11 | VPN-User | about 4 months old |
| 19:24:17 | VPN-User | 2400mAh |
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| 19:24:25 | amiconn | Yes, so did you test rockbox 2.3 with *this* set of batteries? |
| 19:24:30 | VPN-User | no |
| 19:24:34 | amiconn | see |
| 19:24:38 | VPN-User | hm |
| 19:24:51 | VPN-User | I just sticked to ROLOing to stock firmware for charging |
| 19:24:53 | VPN-User | but this sucks |
| 19:25:17 | amiconn | I know the charging algo on the recorder v1 isn't as good as it could be, but in fact it improved a lot compared to what 2.3 or even 2.5 had |
| 19:25:30 | VPN-User | not for me :) |
| 19:25:36 | VPN-User | it only charges for about an hour |
| 19:25:43 | VPN-User | then changes to top off charging |
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| 19:25:55 | VPN-User | this is way too fast |
| 19:25:58 | amiconn | You can't tell unless you test 2.3 with your current batteries |
| 19:26:05 | VPN-User | I will |
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| 19:26:36 | amiconn | I have a recorder v1 myself, and use it, with 2700mAh batteries |
| 19:26:44 | VPN-User | but the batteries i had before had the same problems BTW |
| 19:26:45 | amiconn | It charges okay, though not optimal |
| 19:27:25 | VPN-User | do you chanrge using 12V? |
| 19:27:26 | amiconn | But then I have bad thru very bad experience with high capacity classical NiMH in general (everything above ~2000mAh) |
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| 19:27:34 | amiconn | I am using the stock charger |
| 19:27:55 | VPN-User | the cable of my stock charger broke |
| 19:28:00 | VPN-User | so i bought another one |
| 19:28:13 | amiconn | The new generation NiMHs (available from several manufacturers now) are a quantum leap |
| 19:28:24 | VPN-User | as i said |
| 19:28:30 | VPN-User | they are relatively recent |
| 19:28:37 | amiconn | The classical ones have a self-discharge rate that makes them unusable over weeks, or even days |
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| 19:29:34 | amiconn | The new ones (like Ansmann max-e, Varta ready-to-run or Sanyo eneloop) promise to keep charge for more than a year |
| 19:29:40 | VPN-User | http://www.akkushop.de/product_info.php?products_id=3734 |
| 19:30:05 | amiconn | classical ones... |
| 19:30:08 | VPN-User | :( |
| 19:30:38 | VPN-User | still |
| 19:30:48 | VPN-User | i wonder why stock firmware charges them good but rockbox does not |
| 19:30:55 | VPN-User | the problem has to be rockbox, nor? |
| 19:30:58 | amiconn | The new generation is only available as 2000mAh (Sanyo) or 2100mAh (most others) |
| 19:31:13 | amiconn | Rockbox, or battery contacts |
| 19:31:26 | VPN-User | contects? |
| 19:31:30 | VPN-User | a |
| 19:31:42 | amiconn | The charging characteristic of some newer cells might be a problem for the rockbox charging algo |
| 19:31:51 | VPN-User | That may be true |
| 19:32:15 | VPN-User | These batteries raise extremely fast regarding voltage during charging |
| 19:32:18 | amiconn | That's fixable, but working on the charging algo is time consuming |
| 19:32:51 | VPN-User | I can imagine :). At least a test-run takes several hours |
| 19:33:25 | amiconn | ...because you need to test full charging cycles over and over, and a proper full charging cycle for 2400mAh cells will take ~10 hours |
| 19:33:43 | amiconn | ANd you have to discharge inbetween |
| 19:33:48 | VPN-User | no :). |
| 19:33:56 | VPN-User | it only takes about an hour :) |
| 19:34:03 | VPN-User | if it takes longer, its fixed ^^ |
| 19:34:06 | amiconn | a *proper* .... |
| 19:34:37 | amiconn | Btw, for me charging *does* take way longer than an hour, but I also don't get full charge from rockbox charging |
| 19:34:52 | amiconn | My estimation is about 80% charge |
| 19:35:05 | VPN-User | 2700mAh is a lot |
| 19:35:12 | amiconn | yes |
| 19:35:18 | VPN-User | most normal chargers even can' t handle that |
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| 19:35:50 | amiconn | Still, I've put a set of those new-generation cells in my archos Studio. *Way* better than the 2700mAh cells in my recorder... |
| 19:36:09 | VPN-User | do you have an url for a set of these? |
| 19:36:22 | VPN-User | so i can look for a shop in germany to get them |
| 19:37:05 | VPN-User | but i really hesitate to just buy new batteries for a problem that has low chances to be solved by this action. |
| 19:39:11 | amiconn | These: http://www.eneloop.info/208.html these: http://www.ansmann.de/cms/de/consumroot/batteries/rechargeable/maxe.html or these: http://www.varta-consumer.de/content.php?path=/1161331557.html&domain=www.varta-consumer.de |
| 19:41:58 | amiconn | Also these: http://www.acculoop.com/ |
| 19:42:01 | VPN-User | so you say the very high capacity batteries are bad? |
| 19:42:48 | amiconn | I have bad experience with them myself. Not only in the archos, but also in other devices |
| 19:43:21 | VPN-User | okay |
| 19:43:32 | amiconn | Even if they were charged fully, after storing the device a few months, batteries are dead when trying to use the device :( |
| 19:43:40 | VPN-User | Ok I consider buying a few of them |
| 19:43:51 | VPN-User | Ansmann sounds like a good name for batteries |
| 19:44:02 | VPN-User | I have an Ansmann charger |
| 19:45:16 | VPN-User | http://www.akku-shop-berlin.de/product_info.php/info/p6009_Ansmann-Max-e-1-2V-2100mAh-Ni-MH-Mignon-AA-im-4er-Blister.html |
| 19:46:39 | VPN-User | In fact I experienced extremely intensive self-discharging with my current batteries |
| 19:46:59 | VPN-User | In a week after charging the rockbox display even did not light up... |
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| 19:50:03 | * | amiconn knows that from his Player, before changing batteries to the new-gen NiMH... |
| 19:50:03 | MikeGR1981 | hi all ipod fans! |
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| 19:50:26 | amiconn | Just that it didn't even take a week, 2..3 days were sufficient |
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| 19:50:52 | MikeGR1981 | can anyone knows about dual boot (rockbox and apple) for ipod 5g |
| 19:50:55 | MikeGR1981 | ? |
| 19:51:17 | desowin | press menu while booting ? |
| 19:51:47 | bluebrother | enable the hold switch while booting |
| 19:52:16 | * | desowin got lost of track :( |
| 19:53:01 | bluebrother | and read the manual, it's stated there |
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| 19:53:14 | MikeGR1981 | nothing... |
| 19:53:15 | bluebrother | (in the "quick start" chapter) |
| 19:53:28 | bluebrother | please define "nothing" |
| 19:53:51 | MikeGR1981 | i try both but nothing |
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| 19:54:41 | bluebrother | did you try in the right moment? Have you got a "settings cleared" message? |
| 19:54:41 | desowin | hold play to shut down player, and then press anything to boot, and while it's booting set on hold |
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| 19:55:52 | MikeGR1981 | sorry |
| 19:55:54 | MikeGR1981 | sorry |
| 19:55:58 | MikeGR1981 | thanx! |
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| 19:56:21 | MikeGR1981 | can i install the ipod linux with rockbox and apple? |
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| 19:56:44 | desowin | yes, but ipodlinux unsupported by rockbox |
| 19:57:05 | Fu7urE101 | but can't I triboot? |
| 19:57:18 | bluebrother | you can. |
| 19:57:28 | Fu7urE101 | coo |
| 19:57:32 | Fu7urE101 | rockbox seems aight |
| 19:57:36 | bluebrother | you can even boot ipl using the rockbox bootloader. |
| 19:57:37 | Fu7urE101 | I'm gonna install today |
| 19:57:44 | Fu7urE101 | yeah |
| 19:57:44 | scorche | use real words please.. |
| 19:57:52 | Fu7urE101 | ... |
| 19:58:02 | * | Fu7urE101 looks for non-real words |
| 19:58:12 | desowin | slang = non-real |
| 19:58:12 | scorche | "coo" aight" |
| 19:58:18 | Fu7urE101 | ummm |
| 19:58:23 | Fu7urE101 | where are your ops? |
| 19:58:28 | scorche | what does it matter? |
| 19:58:31 | MikeGR1981 | bluebrother: is ipodlinux better than rockbox? |
| 19:58:37 | Fu7urE101 | it matters that you can stfu |
| 19:58:40 | Fu7urE101 | because you don't matter |
| 19:58:45 | Fu7urE101 | I wasn't talking to you |
| 19:59:03 | bluebrother | ipl has a completely different target. It's about running uclinux on the ipod. Rockbox is only about playing music (well, mostly ;-) |
| 19:59:14 | Fu7urE101 | yeah |
| 19:59:14 | Mode | "#rockbox +o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 19:59:17 | Fu7urE101 | seems like |
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| 19:59:19 | Mode | "#rockbox +b %Fu7urE101!*@* " by scorche (i=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
| 19:59:25 | | Quit Fu7urE101 (Client Quit) |
| 19:59:29 | desowin | MikeGR1981: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_does_Rockbox_compare_to_i_Po |
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| 19:59:46 | Mode | "#rockbox -b %Fu7urE101!*@* " by scorche (i=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
| 19:59:54 | The-Compiler | MikeGR1981: In my opination, iPodLinux is very unstable and slow |
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| 20:00:21 | The-Compiler | *opinion |
| 20:00:28 | * | scorche sighs |
| 20:00:32 | MikeGR1981 | hm.. |
| 20:00:37 | MikeGR1981 | thanx again |
| 20:00:53 | MikeGR1981 | i'm new ipod user... |
| 20:01:11 | krazykit | i like the line "if you are someone that gets all hot and bothered by seeing a bash prompt" |
| 20:01:32 | desowin | MikeGR1981: if you're useruse rockbox, if you're nerd use ipodlinux, that would be my view |
| 20:02:26 | scorche | most of us are "nerds" and love Rockbox ;) |
| 20:02:51 | desowin | no, most of rockboxers are geeks ;-) |
| 20:02:57 | bluebrother | hmm. Should I consider myself a Rockbox-nerd? ;-) |
| 20:02:57 | scorche | haha |
| 20:02:59 | ducbian | Yeah, i'm a nerd and i like rockbox - besides bash isn't much use with out a keyboard :-) |
| 20:03:01 | * | scorche raises his glass |
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| 20:04:28 | scorche | i do love how people think the rules dont matter just because there is no op in the channel... |
| 20:04:40 | scorche | and welcome back |
| 20:04:50 | | Nick Stalrim is now known as Fu7urE101 (n=bleh@152.12.48.46) |
| 20:04:54 | Fu7urE101 | actually |
| 20:04:56 | scorche | are you going to play nice now just because i am opped? |
| 20:05:00 | Fu7urE101 | I didn't curse at anyone |
| 20:05:00 | Fu7urE101 | no |
| 20:05:05 | Fu7urE101 | I'm playing as I was before |
| 20:05:07 | Fu7urE101 | I came for info |
| 20:05:09 | Fu7urE101 | that's all |
| 20:05:11 | Fu7urE101 | not to idle |
| 20:05:14 | Fu7urE101 | or to even chat |
| 20:05:15 | bluebrother | ip addresses are nice to recognize people :) |
| 20:05:15 | Fu7urE101 | now |
| 20:05:17 | Fu7urE101 | yes |
| 20:05:18 | Fu7urE101 | they are |
| 20:05:24 | Fu7urE101 | but I mean |
| 20:05:26 | desowin | be polite when asking (that would be my suggestion) |
| 20:05:30 | scorche | [11:58:33] <Fu7urE101> it matters that you can stfu |
| 20:05:30 | scorche | [11:58:37] <Fu7urE101> because you don't matter |
| 20:05:34 | Fu7urE101 | ummm |
| 20:05:38 | Fu7urE101 | as I remember |
| 20:05:44 | Fu7urE101 | in my initial conversation |
| 20:05:47 | Fu7urE101 | I was very polit |
| 20:05:49 | Fu7urE101 | and respectful |
| 20:05:51 | Fu7urE101 | until |
| 20:05:56 | Fu7urE101 | You came out of the blue |
| 20:06:00 | Fu7urE101 | with your comment |
| 20:06:01 | desowin | and please write long sentences |
| 20:06:02 | scorche | and use more than one word per sentance please.. |
| 20:06:03 | krazykit | the enter key is not the spacebar :-( |
| 20:06:03 | ducbian | You know, you can actually get more than four words on a line Fu7urE101? |
| 20:06:07 | bluebrother | until what? Someone asked you to follow the channel guidelines? |
| 20:06:08 | Fu7urE101 | wtf |
| 20:06:24 | Fu7urE101 | I've never seen anyone get upset in the way anyone types |
| 20:06:32 | Fu7urE101 | I'll be back |
| 20:06:35 | krazykit | obviously you're not used to support channels then |
| 20:06:36 | Fu7urE101 | afk |
| 20:06:38 | Fu7urE101 | yeah |
| 20:06:39 | Fu7urE101 | well |
| 20:06:43 | Fu7urE101 | yeah I am |
| 20:06:48 | Fu7urE101 | brb |
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| 20:06:51 | bluebrother | writing one word per line is annyoing. It makes it hard for the others to follow |
| 20:06:57 | bluebrother | well. Too late. |
| 20:07:00 | * | krazykit facepalms |
| 20:07:12 | * | scorche gets "/mode #rockbox -q *!bleh@152.12.48.46" ready |
| 20:07:20 | scorche | errrr...better make that a + |
| 20:07:49 | MikeGR1981 | bluebrother: i have a little problem with crossfading songs with rockbox |
| 20:08:41 | bluebrother | MikeGR1981: don't know if I know the solution, but just ask. Then we'll see ;-) |
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| 20:08:44 | MikeGR1981 | when a song change rockbox dosent crossfading the track |
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| 20:08:58 | bluebrother | I assume you enabled crossfading? |
| 20:09:05 | The-Compiler | MikeGR1981: Have you set a crossfading time? |
| 20:09:40 | MikeGR1981 | crossfading time? |
| 20:10:01 | bluebrother | you can set the time for fade in / fade out separately. |
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| 20:11:01 | The-Compiler | MikeGR1981: Maybe you have set these times to zero, so crossfading is disabled |
| 20:11:28 | * | bluebrother looks at his player and wonders if the value 0 for all those times is the default |
| 20:11:56 | MikeGR1981 | i have set crossfade -always- |
| 20:12:02 | kkurbjun | scorche the ticket prices came down today |
| 20:12:10 | MikeGR1981 | fade in delay 3 sec |
| 20:12:10 | scorche | oooo...goody! |
| 20:12:19 | The-Compiler | bluebrother: it is afaik |
| 20:12:21 | kkurbjun | :) |
| 20:12:25 | MikeGR1981 | fade in duration 3 sec |
| 20:12:38 | MikeGR1981 | fade out delay 2 sec |
| 20:12:47 | scorche | that happens once in a while, but typically it is better to play it safe and buy early still ;) |
| 20:12:50 | MikeGR1981 | fade out delay 2 sec |
| 20:13:02 | MikeGR1981 | fade out mode mix |
| 20:13:31 | kkurbjun | true true |
| 20:13:53 | bluebrother | hmm. Does it really make sense to have fade times of 0 as default while crossfade is disabled anyway? |
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| 20:14:39 | n1s | bluebrother: no :-) |
| 20:16:39 | bluebrother | then we should agree someone to change it ;-) |
| 20:17:44 | MikeGR1981 | ok |
| 20:17:46 | MikeGR1981 | its ok |
| 20:17:55 | MikeGR1981 | thanks a lot |
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| 20:18:31 | MikeGR1981 | have a nice day ! |
| 20:18:36 | MikeGR1981 | Mike From greece! |
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| 20:20:00 | n1s | bluebrother: what would be good defaults? keeping the delays at 0 but setting durations to 4 sec? |
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| 20:21:12 | bluebrother | I'd say something a user will hear, but not too long. Maybe even a bit faster, 2 or 3 seconds. |
| 20:22:16 | n1s | yeah, 2 sec will be good |
| 20:22:23 | * | n1s changes |
| 20:22:28 | bluebrother | but in any case, I think it's better for the user to hear at least something than having it default to 0 |
| 20:22:50 | bluebrother | oh, have we already agreed on that change? That was fast ;-) |
| 20:23:40 | n1s | well, I really don't think anyone will complain :-) |
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| 20:24:12 | bluebrother | hehe |
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| 20:25:00 | bluebrother | n1s: working on binary size reduction? Nice. |
| 20:26:12 | n1s | bluebrother: thanks :-) I see some things when browsing the code sometimes and see if I can make it more compact :-) |
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| 20:46:28 | Fu7urE101 | First I'd like to apoligize because I went to the site again and read the chatroom/forum rules |
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| 20:46:38 | Fu7urE101 | I had no idea there was a lingo regulation |
| 20:46:57 | scorche | that is why we put it in the topic =) |
| 20:47:01 | * | bluebrother points to the topic |
| 20:47:09 | Fu7urE101 | yes i'm just so use to never reading |
| 20:47:12 | * | Fu7urE101 shrugs |
| 20:47:17 | Fu7urE101 | I just don't curse at people |
| 20:47:20 | Fu7urE101 | seems to work |
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| 20:48:57 | bluebrother | reading is something you will get asked to do in the open source world quite often. |
| 20:50:20 | Fu7urE101 | hmmm |
| 20:51:32 | Fu7urE101 | I'll put it in perspective |
| 20:51:40 | Fu7urE101 | I wasn't trying to be disrespectful to the rules |
| 20:51:44 | Fu7urE101 | I was kinda in a hurry |
| 20:51:48 | Fu7urE101 | but usually |
| 20:51:56 | Fu7urE101 | I do read my instructions |
| 20:52:13 | Fu7urE101 | just not irc o_O |
| 20:52:53 | Fu7urE101 | I've seen many users say that once you go rockbox you'll never go back to ipl |
| 20:53:06 | Fu7urE101 | you'd agree? |
| 20:53:30 | bluebrother | I never used ipl seriously. Installed it only to try booting it using the Rockbox bootloader |
| 20:53:45 | Fu7urE101 | ahh |
| 20:53:54 | Fu7urE101 | it didn't overwrite the rockbox bootloader? |
| 20:54:06 | bluebrother | but playing music works fine with Rockbox, while I didn't like podzilla and how playing music didn't work :) |
| 20:54:16 | Fu7urE101 | ahhh |
| 20:54:28 | bluebrother | I installed manually. That installer didn't work, and I didn't want Loader2 anyway |
| 20:54:36 | Fu7urE101 | I understand |
| 20:55:18 | Fu7urE101 | from what I've read rockbox just seems easy and easily customizable |
| 20:55:47 | bluebrother | well, it has a load of options. That might be confusing, also together with its own concept |
| 20:56:05 | bluebrother | which is explained in the manual, and really great once you get used to it. |
| 20:56:23 | bluebrother | I don't understand how people can like apples user concept anymore ;-) |
| 20:56:38 | Fu7urE101 | oh really? |
| 20:56:58 | bluebrother | yes. But I bought the ipod to put Rockbox it anyway. |
| 20:56:59 | Fu7urE101 | and all my previous music is recognized? |
| 20:57:10 | Fu7urE101 | ohh ok |
| 20:57:18 | Fu7urE101 | yeah I'd orignially planned on using ipl |
| 20:57:19 | bluebrother | yes, unless it's encrypted (i.e. itunes music store) |
| 20:57:21 | Fu7urE101 | before I bought it |
| 20:57:23 | Fu7urE101 | ohh |
| 20:57:27 | Fu7urE101 | screw itunes man |
| 20:57:29 | Fu7urE101 | that's a rip off |
| 20:57:50 | bluebrother | I don't care about itunes and their store. I prefer buying CDs. |
| 20:58:19 | Fu7urE101 | indeed |
| 20:58:24 | Fu7urE101 | I mean |
| 20:58:30 | Fu7urE101 | you get an album with 12 songs |
| 20:58:35 | Fu7urE101 | it costs 12 bucks |
| 20:58:39 | Fu7urE101 | but an album with 20 songs |
| 20:58:42 | Fu7urE101 | meh |
| 20:58:50 | Fu7urE101 | they should lower the prices if you ask me |
| 20:58:54 | Fu7urE101 | if they want people go to legit |
| 20:59:49 | bluebrother | they should never started those "copying" protection on CDs (which is in fact selling broken CDs with playback protection) and this DRM nonsense. |
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| 21:00:04 | bluebrother | but they seem to need really long to understand. |
| 21:00:27 | PaulJam | didn't itunes start to sell DRM free music today? |
| 21:00:54 | bluebrother | it did. Nice move, but I still don't want to install itunes. Won't run on my linux box anyway ;-) |
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| 21:01:42 | scorche | still doesnt mean you get meaningful folders with itunes, sadly....or enable you to use more than XX computers with your ipod |
| 21:02:52 | Fu7urE101 | well |
| 21:02:58 | Fu7urE101 | I use all computer with mine |
| 21:03:07 | Fu7urE101 | I just switched it to manual something |
| 21:03:12 | Fu7urE101 | and I drag and drop |
| 21:03:19 | badsheepy | they shouldnt have spent 20 years establishing a music industry built on marketting and greed :o |
| 21:03:29 | Fu7urE101 | of course with movies I have to use videora |
| 21:03:38 | Fu7urE101 | well |
| 21:03:39 | Fu7urE101 | badsheepy |
| 21:03:47 | Fu7urE101 | the country is founded upon marketting and greed |
| 21:03:52 | Fu7urE101 | what could you expect? |
| 21:04:36 | badsheepy | that the public fight back and pirate everything they possibly can until they stop it |
| 21:04:46 | badsheepy | thats what i expected, and lo! here we are now :) |
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| 21:10:48 | Fu7urE101 | no |
| 21:10:54 | Fu7urE101 | pirating is not fighting back |
| 21:11:03 | Fu7urE101 | imeem is a concept that seems to be fighting back |
| 21:11:11 | Fu7urE101 | having music without actually having music |
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| 21:12:27 | The-Compiler | bye there |
| 21:12:59 | tbaGGin | anyone install igames? |
| 21:13:14 | bluebrother | what is igames? |
| 21:13:52 | tbaGGin | the ipod games |
| 21:13:58 | tbaGGin | ones apple sells |
| 21:14:06 | Fu7urE101 | I don't buy |
| 21:14:09 | Fu7urE101 | from apple |
| 21:14:12 | Fu7urE101 | only the hardware |
| 21:14:12 | bluebrother | this channel is about Rockbox, not apple ... |
| 21:14:23 | Fu7urE101 | heh |
| 21:14:26 | tbaGGin | im talking about the games compatibility w/ rockbox |
| 21:14:52 | bluebrother | Rockbox is a completely new firmware. There is no compatibility to any commercial software |
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| 21:15:15 | bluebrother | how should this work anyway? The interfaces of apple aren't publicly available afaik |
| 21:15:18 | tbaGGin | actually i guess its rockbox and ipodloader compatible |
| 21:15:32 | tbaGGin | sorry for confusion |
| 21:15:35 | Fu7urE101 | so...could I rock rockbox with the apple loader? |
| 21:15:41 | Fu7urE101 | or does it not allow dual boot |
| 21:15:56 | bluebrother | partly. You need a recent version of loader2 if you want to load Rockbox |
| 21:16:15 | bluebrother | the Rockbox bootloader can dual boot. It can even boot IPL, though that is a bit harder to set up |
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| 21:16:33 | tbaGGin | can ipl boot rockbox? |
| 21:16:40 | bluebrother | well, I found it even easier to set up, but I also didn't use the installer ;-) |
| 21:16:41 | Fu7urE101 | I believe I saw it could |
| 21:17:03 | bluebrother | scroll 1 minute up: you need a recent version of loader2 |
| 21:17:44 | bluebrother | i.e. some version later than 2.4. Not sure which version exactly. |
| 21:18:00 | bluebrother | with that you can load Rockbox. Older versions will crash with a data abort. |
| 21:18:09 | Fu7urE101 | meh |
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| 21:21:26 | Fu7urE101 | originally |
| 21:21:40 | Fu7urE101 | I thought that rockbox worked on 5.5g ipods |
| 21:21:44 | Fu7urE101 | I see it doesn't :( |
| 21:21:47 | tbaGGin | it does |
| 21:21:50 | Fu7urE101 | ahhh |
| 21:21:52 | tbaGGin | im running now |
| 21:21:55 | Fu7urE101 | the manual said it didn't |
| 21:21:56 | Fu7urE101 | cool |
| 21:22:23 | Fu7urE101 | Does the battery last longer? |
| 21:22:36 | bluebrother | Rockbox works on the 5.5G since quite a while, but only since about a week on the 5.5G 80GB. |
| 21:22:52 | bluebrother | the Ipods have worse battery runtime than using AppleOS. |
| 21:23:07 | Fu7urE101 | ohhh |
| 21:23:24 | Fu7urE101 | so why is rockbox better than appleos? |
| 21:23:25 | bluebrother | if the manual still says the 5.5G is not supported then your manual is outdated. It gets regenerated every day, so just grab a new version. |
| 21:23:32 | Fu7urE101 | ohh ok |
| 21:23:39 | Fu7urE101 | better in your opinion |
| 21:23:59 | * | bluebrother points to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox |
| 21:24:25 | Fu7urE101 | ohh yeah I could read that |
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| 21:24:33 | Fu7urE101 | but I wanted your personal |
| 21:24:39 | Fu7urE101 | it's cool though |
| 21:24:55 | bluebrother | if you are not interested in the additional functionality and supported formats AppleOS might be the better choice for you. But I can't decide that |
| 21:25:07 | bluebrother | most of my music is ogg, so AppleOS isn't working. |
| 21:25:26 | bluebrother | additionally, I used Rockbox before. And I want ReplayGain :) |
| 21:26:34 | Fu7urE101 | Yeah well, I've only used AppleOS for a 2 weeks or so...I don't have a problem learning something new |
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| 21:28:40 | Fu7urE101 | tbaGGin I'd use the ipodvideo 64mb download correct? |
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| 21:29:57 | Fu7urE101 | for the 5.5g |
| 21:31:36 | Fu7urE101 | hmm |
| 21:32:00 | tbaGGin | go to daily build |
| 21:32:06 | bluebrother | for the 60GB and 80GB, yes. |
| 21:32:32 | bluebrother | and use the current build. There are no dailies anymore, only archived builds ;-) |
| 21:32:51 | tbaGGin | 30 gb w/ search = 64 mb?? |
| 21:33:24 | bluebrother | afaik the 30GB has only 32 MiB RAM |
| 21:33:29 | Fu7urE101 | ahh |
| 21:33:40 | VPN-User | "only" |
| 21:33:42 | bluebrother | but you could simply try the 64MiB build and see if it works ;-) |
| 21:34:05 | bluebrother | my trusty old h120 has 32MiB ... |
| 21:34:09 | VPN-User | Mine has 2MiB RAM... |
| 21:34:47 | bluebrother | those archos devices are quite expensive at ebay. |
| 21:35:02 | VPN-User | you mean i should sell it |
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| 21:35:50 | bluebrother | no. I looked after one to have a target for testing but they are too expensive. |
| 21:36:35 | bluebrother | at least too expensive for me ;-) |
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| 21:38:29 | tbaGGin | whats best way to dual boot? |
| 21:39:38 | bluebrother | use the Rockbox bootloader unless you (a) desparately need a graphical boot menu or (b) want to use IPL |
| 21:43:51 | tbaGGin | you know of a write-up on this? |
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| 21:51:07 | bluebrother | write-up on what? IPL's loader2? |
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| 21:52:51 | tbaGGin | no, u said use rockbox bootloader and wondering how to do this to dualboot |
| 21:53:15 | Bagder | tbaGGin: it dualboots by default, as mentioned in the manual |
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| 21:54:51 | tbaGGin | i mean with ipodlinux |
| 21:55:02 | tbaGGin | so triple boot in fact |
| 21:55:10 | Bagder | it can that as well |
| 21:55:28 | Bagder | I just don't remember how to select ipl... |
| 21:56:08 | pixelma | someone ;) mentioned it in the forums... |
| 21:56:18 | tbaGGin | was it you? |
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| 21:56:28 | bluebrother | Bagder: hold Play while booting |
| 21:57:11 | bluebrother | you need to install ipl, put the Rockbox bootloader on the Ipod and put the IPL kernel into the root of the FAT partition named "linux.bin" |
| 21:57:21 | bluebrother | that's it. |
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| 21:58:52 | saratoga | what do i need to add to viewers.config to enable a plugin |
| 21:58:58 | saratoga | I.E. the codec_test plugin |
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| 22:01:19 | bluebrother | saratoga: something like this: mp3,viewers/test_codec,- |
| 22:01:30 | tbaGGin | thanks for the help blue, im going to try now |
| 22:05:40 | saratoga | what does the last number mean? |
| 22:05:43 | saratoga | can i just put a dash? |
| 22:06:18 | bluebrother | the last number denotes the icon. If you put a dash it doesn't use an icon iirc. |
| 22:06:19 | n1s | saratoga: it's the icon index a dash mean sno icon afaik |
| 22:06:46 | bluebrother | not sure if there was a default "no icon" icon or simply empty |
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| 22:13:04 | purplegreendave | can anyone point me in the direction of free software which enables me to a) resize a video and b) change the audio sampling rate? |
| 22:13:16 | krazykit | purplegreendave, winff should do that |
| 22:13:26 | krazykit | and do it easily |
| 22:13:49 | krazykit | mencoder will too, but it's more of a pain to work with |
| 22:14:08 | saratoga | bluebrother: I've now got a test_codec.rock, but it doesn't show up in the plugins menu |
| 22:14:19 | saratoga | do i have to do something else to register it? |
| 22:14:21 | purplegreendave | yeah i tried it and i couldnt get it to work at all. will try winff thanks |
| 22:14:26 | bluebrother | saratoga: it's a viewer −− use the context menu and then open with |
| 22:15:56 | saratoga | thanks |
| 22:16:09 | saratoga | codec_test says mp3 decodes at 38000% realtime |
| 22:16:19 | Bagder | hehe |
| 22:16:22 | saratoga | anyone else had that happen? |
| 22:16:24 | bluebrother | ROTFL. |
| 22:16:31 | bluebrother | cool number :) |
| 22:16:33 | saratoga | tried a few files, all decode instantly |
| 22:17:00 | bluebrother | on what target do you try? |
| 22:17:41 | saratoga | sansa |
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| 22:18:09 | bluebrother | strange. Maybe the test file is a bit short? |
| 22:18:34 | bluebrother | I tried it on the mini, and it was muuuch slower ;-) |
| 22:18:47 | * | linuxstb is impressed with saratoga's mp3 optimisations... |
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| 22:21:04 | saratoga | running the codec_test program on my sansa seems to disable audio |
| 22:21:15 | saratoga | afterwards i just get codec failure messages |
| 22:23:46 | saratoga | linuxstb: you around? |
| 22:24:55 | linuxstb | Yes |
| 22:25:19 | saratoga | i'm building an SVN build now to test the codec test plugin again |
| 22:25:25 | saratoga | have you heard of anyone using it on the sansa? |
| 22:25:27 | preglow | saratoga: so they didn't use a week in getting it to you after all? :) |
| 22:25:49 | saratoga | they said June 11th up until 6 hours after it got here |
| 22:26:16 | saratoga | i actually already had it when I was complaining last night, just hadn't gone outside and noticed the package |
| 22:26:16 | linuxstb | saratoga: I can't remember anyone mentioning using it on the sansa, but I can't think why it wouldn't work. |
| 22:26:23 | preglow | hey, sounds like they share the tracking system with the postal service here |
| 22:26:31 | saratoga | ha |
| 22:27:22 | Faemir | anyone know the button for use in doom plugin, like flip a switch? |
| 22:27:28 | Fu7urE101 | bluebrother: I'm sorry to reask the question, but where do I find loader2? |
| 22:27:29 | Faemir | on an ipod |
| 22:27:54 | Fu7urE101 | I understand |
| 22:28:10 | linuxstb | Fu7urE101: http://www.google.com/search?q=loader2 |
| 22:28:10 | Fu7urE101 | but I thought to dual boot with appleOs instead of rockbox I needed another file |
| 22:28:15 | Fu7urE101 | yeah I searched that |
| 22:28:18 | Fu7urE101 | looking at it now |
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| 22:30:06 | Fu7urE101 | screw it |
| 22:30:09 | Fu7urE101 | i'll just use rockbox |
| 22:30:43 | linuxstb | The Rockbox bootloader lets you dual-boot. Or are you wanting to use IPL? |
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| 22:32:40 | robin0800 | in mailing lists rockbox.cvs commits exists should this nnow be rockbox.svn commits? |
| 22:32:40 | Fu7urE101 | I was gonna use ipl bootloader |
| 22:32:41 | Fu7urE101 | that's all |
| 22:32:42 | Fu7urE101 | really |
| 22:32:43 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Fu7urE101 |
| 22:32:43 | Fu7urE101 | but |
| 22:32:57 | Fu7urE101 | rockbox can't see my original music files? |
| 22:33:59 | linuxstb | Fu7urE101: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ |
| 22:34:27 | Fu7urE101 | thx |
| 22:34:28 | Fu7urE101 | whoops |
| 22:34:29 | Fu7urE101 | Thanks |
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| 22:37:18 | saratoga | linuxstb: do I need to make an entry in the viewers file for each format I want to use with codec test? |
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| 22:38:28 | linuxstb | saratoga: No, just one. |
| 22:38:40 | saratoga | does the file extension even matter then? |
| 22:38:45 | linuxstb | No. |
| 22:38:47 | Fu7urE101 | Installing themes/fonts and such I just copy to the root folder? |
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| 22:41:44 | Bagder | you find the manual unclear? |
| 22:42:14 | Fu7urE101 | well Im reading it |
| 22:42:18 | Fu7urE101 | but if someone were to say |
| 22:42:21 | Fu7urE101 | 'yes; |
| 22:42:27 | Fu7urE101 | that would make it a lot easier |
| 22:42:29 | Fu7urE101 | if I do it once |
| 22:42:30 | Fu7urE101 | I have it |
| 22:42:32 | Bagder | ok then: no |
| 22:42:35 | Fu7urE101 | thank you |
| 22:42:54 | Bagder | or perhaps yes |
| 22:42:59 | Bagder | it depends on what you mean |
| 22:43:25 | Fu7urE101 | just themes |
| 22:43:27 | Fu7urE101 | and fonts |
| 22:43:36 | Fu7urE101 | rocbox.org provides the downloads |
| 22:43:50 | Fu7urE101 | but no instruction with them |
| 22:43:51 | Fu7urE101 | not sure |
| 22:43:55 | Fu7urE101 | if I have to unzip the files |
| 22:45:27 | Fu7urE101 | I think I got it |
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| 22:45:58 | saratoga | linuxstb: thanks, stock SVN build works with test codec, must be the wma patch I was experimenting with that broke it |
| 22:47:51 | Fu7urE101 | no I didn't |
| 22:48:48 | linuxstb | Fu7urE101: Compare the directory structure in the zip you're trying to install with the directory structure already on your ipod in the .rockbox folder - it should then become clear. |
| 22:49:47 | Fu7urE101 | well, I unzipped the theme I'd like to the theme folder and the fonts to the rockbox folder |
| 22:49:52 | Fu7urE101 | I got fonts to work I believe |
| 22:49:57 | Fu7urE101 | but as far as the theme |
| 22:49:57 | Fu7urE101 | meh |
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| 22:51:26 | Faemir | funnily enough, i'm having the same problem |
| 22:51:41 | Faemir | :\ |
| 22:52:03 | Fu7urE101 | ohh |
| 22:52:06 | Fu7urE101 | I might have fixed it |
| 22:52:28 | Fu7urE101 | I copied the theme out of the theme folder within that unzipped files to the base theme folder in rockbox |
| 22:53:17 | Fu7urE101 | no :( |
| 22:53:42 | bluebrother | well. It's in fact quite easy, especially when you have a look at the present folder structure |
| 22:53:56 | bluebrother | there is a file with the extension wps, this goes into /.rockbox/wps |
| 22:54:11 | bluebrother | there is a file called <themename>.cfg, this goes to /.rockbox/themes |
| 22:54:18 | bluebrother | and .fnt file go to /.rockbox/fonts |
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| 22:54:47 | bluebrother | a theme zip should usually provide this folder structure so you can extract it to the root of the player |
| 22:54:52 | Faemir | do themes only work in the daily builds? or both version? |
| 22:55:40 | bluebrother | there is no real difference between daily and current build. In fact, you should use the current build unless there is a reason |
| 22:56:31 | Fu7urE101 | sweet |
| 22:56:32 | Fu7urE101 | thanks |
| 22:56:44 | webguest14 | Hello, Is it possible to have an option while downloading something that allows NON-zipped files to be downloaded? I have a trial version of Win-Zip and it is a pain to open the files. |
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| 22:57:01 | saratoga | webguest14: theres tons of free zip software |
| 22:57:06 | Faemir | 7zip |
| 22:57:12 | Faemir | i would recommend for windows |
| 22:57:12 | saratoga | i recommend you install something like 7zip |
| 22:57:16 | Faemir | :P |
| 22:57:21 | webguest14 | Does it work as well? |
| 22:57:24 | Faemir | yes |
| 22:57:32 | webguest14 | Oh... |
| 22:57:33 | Faemir | though it doesn't read .ace |
| 22:57:42 | Faemir | though that's mostly mac only stuff |
| 22:57:42 | webguest14 | Thanks |
| 22:57:43 | saratoga | rockbox doesn't use ace |
| 22:57:46 | bluebrother | who needs that strange format anyway? |
| 22:57:54 | webguest14 | ;) |
| 22:58:07 | bluebrother | I don't use winzip or winrar anymore. Both crap :p |
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| 22:58:24 | Fu7urE101 | I still like winrar |
| 22:58:24 | Faemir | i use tar >=3 |
| 22:58:45 | Faemir | bluebrother, what would you say is the best free one for windows? |
| 22:58:51 | bluebrother | 7zip can do tar, gz and bz2. Everything that's really needed ;-) |
| 22:59:04 | bluebrother | I only use 7zip on windows. |
| 22:59:05 | Faemir | :D |
| 22:59:32 | bluebrother | the interface might not be the most polished, but it works the way I want to and doesn't nag me to buy it. |
| 22:59:37 | Faemir | yup |
| 22:59:53 | Faemir | though it would be nice if there was an easy way to replace those icons |
| 22:59:57 | Faemir | perhaps a set of .pngs |
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| 23:00:00 | badsheepy | at the cost of a nag button, winrar is much much more functional imo |
| 23:00:15 | Faemir | why? |
| 23:00:31 | badsheepy | well for a start it supports all the archive formats 7zip does |
| 23:00:36 | badsheepy | as well as all the ones it doesnt |
| 23:00:43 | Faemir | which are 99.99% of the time all you need |
| 23:00:49 | badsheepy | not if you need a rar :P |
| 23:00:52 | Bagder | rar is evil |
| 23:01:00 | badsheepy | any particular reason :) |
| 23:01:01 | Nico_P | why ? |
| 23:01:05 | Faemir | why would you /need/ to compress to rar |
| 23:01:07 | Bagder | because its closed |
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| 23:01:25 | Faemir | you might /need/ to open a rar, which it can do. |
| 23:01:28 | bluebrother | why use winrar when 7zip supports the same formats? |
| 23:01:46 | Faemir | except .ace and a few other obscure ones |
| 23:01:50 | bluebrother | for these rare cases there is unrar x :) |
| 23:02:10 | Faemir | i don't suppose anyone can clarify whether ipods can support themes /at all/? |
| 23:02:11 | badsheepy | so your objection is proprietary, my objection is functionality |
| 23:02:14 | bluebrother | the nag button of winrar is what made me install 7zip at my work pc. |
| 23:02:18 | badsheepy | guess its just where your priorities are :) |
| 23:02:41 | linuxstb | Faemir: Yes, Rockbox supports themes on ipods. |
| 23:02:44 | Faemir | thanks |
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| 23:03:07 | Faemir | it's just i have all the things in the right folders, yet when i select them it just makes the bg white, fg black >_> |
| 23:03:16 | Fu7urE101 | thanks everyone |
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| 23:03:41 | Faemir | i have icons enabled, is there anythign else i need to enable? |
| 23:05:07 | n1s | Faemir: which theme are you trying to use? |
| 23:05:17 | Faemir | any of them |
| 23:05:23 | Faemir | though preferrably tango |
| 23:05:38 | n1s | and all of them make the colors go black/white? |
| 23:06:12 | Faemir | or don't change anything |
| 23:06:17 | n1s | and what happends if you select one of the included themes? |
| 23:06:41 | Faemir | unicatcher is default isn't it? |
| 23:07:25 | n1s | nope, the umm rockbox default is |
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| 23:07:34 | n1s | very dull thing with peakmeter |
| 23:07:51 | Faemir | icons-rockbox-default? |
| 23:08:02 | Faemir | or rockbox-default-icons? |
| 23:08:36 | n1s | try the one called rockboxed |
| 23:08:41 | Faemir | done |
| 23:08:45 | Faemir | it makes the bg yellow |
| 23:08:51 | Faemir | black text, changes the font |
| 23:08:57 | Faemir | still the nasty icons :P |
| 23:09:16 | n1s | Faemir: ok so that works ok |
| 23:09:18 | Faemir | if they can be called icons |
| 23:09:38 | Faemir | i will put current build back on instead of daily |
| 23:09:49 | bluebrother | all shipped themes use the same icons |
| 23:09:53 | n1s | Faemir: yes, they are the default icons, they can be customized tho |
| 23:09:57 | bluebrother | you need to download other icons separately |
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| 23:10:01 | Faemir | i did |
| 23:10:02 | saratoga | i'm trying to update the wma decoder to at least load in rockbox, however I get a "No File!" message when rockbox tries to load a WMA file |
| 23:10:04 | Faemir | that's the dodgy thing |
| 23:10:08 | saratoga | any ideas where I should start looking? |
| 23:10:33 | n1s | Faemir: so when you say that themes don't work you mean that the themes work but the icons don't change? |
| 23:10:56 | jac0b | the new hotswap patch for the sansa is failing on line 46 |
| 23:11:12 | Faemir | the icons don't change, the background doesn't change (except rockboxed changes it to plain yellow), and usually the font doesn't change |
| 23:11:56 | linuxstb | saratoga: Is the wma decoder a viewer plugin? |
| 23:12:06 | saratoga | no, its an actual codec |
| 23:12:08 | Faemir | (oh and also, what is the different between ipod video and ipod video 64mb, or rather when do you use the 64mb one instead?) |
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| 23:12:18 | bluebrother | the default themes aren't too fancy. Don't expect too much to change |
| 23:12:19 | saratoga | i wanted to be able to use the test_codec plugin to run it |
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| 23:12:35 | Faemir | bluebrother, i downloaded the entire lot |
| 23:12:37 | n1s | Faemir: when you have a 60 or 80 GB ipod video |
| 23:12:44 | bluebrother | the 64MiB build is for the 60GB and 80GB models. They have a bigger memory |
| 23:12:47 | Wasmuth | Can anyone tell me what the iPod 64 build is all about? |
| 23:12:48 | n1s | or maybe a 30 GB 5.5G |
| 23:12:54 | Faemir | which i have |
| 23:13:01 | n1s | Wasmuth: read the last fe lines |
| 23:13:02 | linuxstb | saratoga: Is this the one on the patch tracker? |
| 23:13:03 | Wasmuth | ok |
| 23:13:10 | bluebrother | maybe? Afaik the 30GB is always 32MiB |
| 23:13:12 | saratoga | linuxstb: yes |
| 23:13:21 | saratoga | though i've modified it a good bit to make it compile |
| 23:13:33 | n1s | bluebrother: iiuc it's not confirmed for the 5.5G |
| 23:13:36 | Wasmuth | woo Hoo! I have the 60GB - so I should be using the 64 version? |
| 23:13:47 | n1s | yes |
| 23:13:53 | Faemir | xD |
| 23:13:53 | Wasmuth | Thank you very much |
| 23:13:56 | bluebrother | n1s: ok. |
| 23:14:34 | n1s | bluebrother: basically the test would be to install a 64MB build abd if it works it has 64MB ram |
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| 23:15:57 | Faemir | i think i know why the icons aren't working. i cannot open them, seems they are corrupt now somehow :\ |
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| 23:16:47 | linuxstb | saratoga: That patch isn't a codec, just a plugin. |
| 23:17:05 | linuxstb | saratoga: Ignore that... |
| 23:17:07 | frosty | hi |
| 23:17:34 | frosty | I have a slight problem that's appeared since putting Rockbox on my iPod (nano, 1st gen) earlier |
| 23:17:43 | frosty | (Rockbox seems pretty awesome, by the way :) ) |
| 23:17:48 | Faemir | damn right :D |
| 23:17:56 | linuxstb | saratoga: The codec is there, but there is no change to the core code to use it (as far as I can see). |
| 23:17:56 | Faemir | (frozen bubble FTW) |
| 23:18:13 | frosty | I can't play any of my music purchased from the iTunes store - using the normal Apple firmware! |
| 23:18:21 | frosty | It just skips all the tracks. |
| 23:18:50 | frosty | I presume (hope) it'd work if I completely restore my iPod, but I'd like to keep both firmwares on there :( |
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| 23:19:04 | frosty | any ideas why this is? |
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| 23:19:42 | saratoga | linuxstb: just found this page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToWriteCodecs |
| 23:19:46 | Faemir | perhaps god is punishing you for using the itunes store :P (sorry) |
| 23:19:54 | saratoga | i'll look into make the other changes |
| 23:20:08 | bluebrother | Rockbox doesn't touch the files synced by apple. Have you changed something in the iPodControl folder? |
| 23:20:22 | bluebrother | sounds like the songs are present in the database but missing on the hard disk |
| 23:20:23 | frosty | I haven't. |
| 23:20:26 | n1s | saratoga: I think the get_metadata function at the end of metadata.c is a place to look |
| 23:20:36 | frosty | bluebrother: hmm :/ |
| 23:20:49 | frosty | I've tried resyncing, but no good :/ |
| 23:20:57 | bluebrother | or your Itunesdb is corrupt. You could try floola |
| 23:21:06 | frosty | like I say, I imagine a proper restore would fix it |
| 23:21:08 | frosty | floola? |
| 23:21:10 | * | frosty googles |
| 23:21:20 | bluebrother | not sure if I spelled the name correctly. It should be able rebuilding the database |
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| 23:23:31 | Faemir | :\ |
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| 23:24:59 | Faemir | bleh, the files keep getting messed up. probably because i'm not safe disconnecting. |
| 23:25:16 | f00f | Hi. I just finished setting up the dev environment. I'd like to know how to go about compiling the helloworld plugin. Does the Makefile decide which plugins get built? |
| 23:25:39 | Bagder | f00f: the SOURCES files decide what to compile |
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| 23:26:02 | Bagder | f00f: the SOURCES files decide what to compile |
| 23:26:02 | saratoga | f00f: theres a sources file in lots of directories, that lists which c files get made |
| 23:26:14 | f00f | thanks |
| 23:26:50 | f00f | Adding that to the wiki would probably be useful :) |
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| 23:32:18 | saratoga | how much actually needs to be defined just to get the codec to load? |
| 23:32:25 | saratoga | i've added an entry to filetypes.c |
| 23:33:12 | n1s | saratoga: wma is already included in the filetypes table |
| 23:33:34 | saratoga | opps |
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| 23:33:42 | saratoga | so what else do i need to edit? |
| 23:33:48 | saratoga | the page only lists some stuff about ID3 tags |
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| 23:33:55 | saratoga | is that really necesarry? |
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| 23:34:28 | n1s | saratoga: saratoga I think rockbox uses the metadata reading to find out which codec to use |
| 23:34:31 | Faemir | hmm, the icons are still not loading :( |
| 23:34:41 | linuxstb | saratoga: Yes, everything on that page is needed... |
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| 23:35:22 | saratoga | ok then |
| 23:35:24 | saratoga | thnaks |
| 23:35:33 | frosty | hmm |
| 23:35:43 | frosty | Floola broke on startup and I had to force quit it |
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| 23:37:04 | n1s | saratoga: I think the codectype member of the mp3entry struct is important for example |
| 23:37:31 | Faemir | anyone got any ideas why no themes will work? |
| 23:38:13 | bluebrother | frosty: sorry, I just have heard it can fix those issues. No more ideas from my side, unfortunately |
| 23:38:17 | robin0800 | perhaps they need patches |
| 23:38:32 | frosty | bluebrother: ok, thanks |
| 23:38:36 | Faemir | woop |
| 23:38:43 | Faemir | they worked this time for some reason :S |
| 23:38:57 | bluebrother | Faemir: (a) broken theme (the parser is now more strict than some time ago), (b) theme wrongly installed, (c) theme needs patches |
| 23:39:10 | Faemir | yeh, for some reason they worked this time |
| 23:39:13 | Faemir | i didn't even change anything |
| 23:39:22 | Faemir | just connect to pc then disconnected :S |
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| 23:48:01 | HappyGUYfromSWE | hi everyone..! |
| 23:48:10 | frosty | hmm |
| 23:48:22 | frosty | well, I can play the songs off my ipod with floola |
| 23:48:26 | frosty | so they are on there |
| 23:48:41 | HappyGUYfromSWE | Rockbox works well on my 5.5G 80GB..! ^^ YES YES YES!!!! |
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| 23:48:47 | Bagder | :-) |
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| 23:50:17 | HappyGUYfromSWE | Does someone have a sugestion of how to add songs? there are some ways to go now. |
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| 23:50:52 | Bagder | many people just copy the songs using whatever method |
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| 23:51:04 | frosty | HappyGUYfromSWE: I just put rockbox on my nano, and just synced it normally with itunes |
| 23:51:09 | frosty | and got rockbox to scan for them |
| 23:51:23 | frosty | apparently that's not necessarily the best way, though |
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| 23:51:30 | frosty | you get odd filenames |
| 23:51:36 | HappyGUYfromSWE | that works. i use winamp ^^ |
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| 23:51:47 | HappyGUYfromSWE | It uses the itunes DB |
| 23:52:03 | frosty | I don't think it does - just the tags from the files |
| 23:52:08 | f00f | another silly dev question: is it possible to build a single plugin without having to go through make && make install? |
| 23:53:09 | f00f | which takes a while |
| 23:53:11 | HappyGUYfromSWE | hmm... i will sleep on this.. :-) sleep tight.. Zzzzz |
| 23:53:24 | bluebrother | I think there is make plugins |
| 23:53:51 | bluebrother | for the make install step you can simply copy the plugin output file. |
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| 23:54:19 | f00f | but that checks for all plugins? |
| 23:54:49 | bluebrother | yes. |
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| 23:58:54 | stripwax | the rockbox forum page uses an inordinate amount of cpu time on my laptop due to the fader.js - could it be rewritten to not call a jscript callback every 20ms please? |
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