| 00:03:01 | saratoga | where do DEBUG messages print in the uisim? |
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| 00:05:39 | Nico_P | saratoga: in the terminal |
| 00:05:51 | saratoga | alright thanks |
| 00:09:44 | saratoga | Nico_P: do you know anything about how codecs are called? |
| 00:10:13 | saratoga | i'm trying to figure out where loading a codec fails |
| 00:10:44 | Nico_P | they are loaded to the main buffer when a track required them |
| 00:11:00 | amiconn | n1s: Padding the struct to simplify indexed addressing will reduce code size - but at the cost of increased ram usage. I don't think this would be desirable |
| 00:11:13 | Nico_P | saratoga: you get "codec failure" ? |
| 00:11:20 | saratoga | i see that "wma.codec" gets loaded, but it skips to the next track immediately, and I do not get the debug message from codec_main |
| 00:11:54 | amiconn | I wonder why gcc goes through hoops just tu avoid mulu :/ It doesn't cost much on coldfire. Compared to numerous shifts and adds it should be faster *and* smaller :/ |
| 00:12:07 | * | amiconn hopes for the m68k improvements in gcc 4.3 ... |
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| 00:12:30 | * | amiconn think he shouldn't expect too much from gcc, this will only be disappointing :\ |
| 00:13:05 | XavierGr | beeing a pessimist is often regarding :) |
| 00:13:40 | saratoga | i'm not sure what code actually tried to load the wma.codec file, so i don't have anything else to trace otu |
| 00:13:50 | Nico_P | amiconn: what's "mulu" ? |
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| 00:14:07 | saratoga | unsigned multiply? |
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| 00:14:30 | Nico_P | saratoga: you probably want to look around plaback.c:1965 |
| 00:14:46 | XavierGr | saratoga: you have a wma codec ready for playback? (I am surprised) |
| 00:15:16 | saratoga | XavierGr: not really |
| 00:15:27 | saratoga | just the old one from last year, and some ideas how to fix it |
| 00:16:09 | saratoga | was hoping to get it to the point where I could run codec_test with it so i can guage my progress as I swap out parts of it |
| 00:16:49 | XavierGr | I didn't know the old one from last year could run... |
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| 00:17:04 | saratoga | it runs on my PC |
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| 00:17:26 | saratoga | though theres some bug I can't quite seem to find in how it unpacks some of the huffman coded data (i think) |
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| 00:19:45 | Nico_P | saratoga: do you know if the codec gets loaded to the ram properly ? |
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| 00:22:55 | saratoga | Nico_P: no idea |
| 00:23:00 | saratoga | i'm not even sure how i'd check that |
| 00:23:10 | saratoga | this is my first day looking at the rockbox source |
| 00:25:11 | Nico_P | codecs.c is the place to look I think |
| 00:25:18 | Nico_P | (apps/codecs.c) |
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| 00:26:12 | Nico_P | you can try adding debug messages to codec_load_file() and codec_load_ram() to see whether they succeed |
| 00:26:20 | Nico_P | or you can try gdb too |
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| 00:28:36 | linuxstb | saratoga: Have you made many changes to wma.c ? |
| 00:32:27 | saratoga | linuxstb: no only a few |
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| 00:33:21 | linuxstb | The version I'm looking at (the last patch on flyspray) doesn't do anything - all the wma functions are commented out. I assume you've put those back? |
| 00:33:23 | saratoga | mostly just fixed some warnings |
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| 00:34:24 | saratoga | linuxstb: no I haven't |
| 00:34:33 | saratoga | i suppose he did that when he wrote that plugin |
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| 00:34:49 | saratoga | will try again |
| 00:36:04 | saratoga | oh wow, yeah hes commented out "wma_decode_data" |
| 00:36:14 | saratoga | thats certainly going to hinder data decoding and such |
| 00:36:20 | saratoga | not sure how i missed that |
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| 00:36:37 | linuxstb | And unless I'm missing something, there's no ASF parsing, and it's calling wma functions which don't exist... |
| 00:37:41 | linuxstb | e.g. wma_syncinfo() and wma_dynrng... |
| 00:38:02 | saratoga | asf parersing should be handled by the ci->request_buffer call |
| 00:38:19 | linuxstb | In fact, it's just a copy of a52.c with a52 replaced by wma - not a wma codec at all... |
| 00:38:21 | saratoga | the buffer fills itself by calling the asf_decode_frame function or whatever its called |
| 00:38:58 | linuxstb | What gives you that idea? ci->request_buffer() just gives you the next X bytes of data from the input buffer. |
| 00:39:15 | linuxstb | There's no container parsing. |
| 00:39:38 | saratoga | you're right |
| 00:39:48 | saratoga | i thought that was the codecconext struct |
| 00:40:47 | linuxstb | Just delete wma.c.... |
| 00:41:44 | saratoga | i wonder what he was trying to do with that file then |
| 00:42:15 | linuxstb | I guess it was just the extremely early stages of a codec. i.e. he took a52.c, spent a few minutes renaming some things, then left it. |
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| 00:43:41 | saratoga | i don't even think he looked at it |
| 00:43:47 | saratoga | just did a find and replace |
| 00:43:54 | saratoga | even the comments have a52 changed to wma |
| 00:44:15 | linuxstb | I thought it looked familiar - it's even got my (C) at the top... |
| 00:45:09 | linuxstb | From what I saw of the plugin, it was a long way from being ready to be a codec anyway. |
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| 00:45:51 | saratoga | linuxstb: I've already got code to init the asf parser and then decoder |
| 00:45:59 | saratoga | do i put that in a function called codec_main? |
| 00:46:09 | saratoga | basically, what does rockbox actually need in wma.c? |
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| 00:47:21 | linuxstb | It needs to call ci->request_buffer() to get a block of data (you can request up to 32KB at a time), decode it, then pass the PCM data back to Rockbox. |
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| 00:47:49 | linuxstb | Basically what wma.c is trying to do... |
| 00:48:22 | linuxstb | After you've processed some of the data (normally one audio frame), you call ci->advance_buffer() with the number of bytes you've consumed. You then continue looping. |
| 00:49:12 | linuxstb | I'm assuming the current implementation is based around reading data from a file ? |
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| 00:51:23 | linuxstb | BTW, I'm not sure why you want to use test_codec to benchmark - you could just do the same in your plugin. |
| 00:51:33 | linuxstb | (assuming the plugin is working) |
| 00:52:15 | saratoga | I haven't actually looked at the plugin |
| 00:52:34 | saratoga | it didn't compile, so I figured it would make sense to use test_codec |
| 00:52:42 | linuxstb | I think all the work was done with the plugin - i.e. there isn't a codec to test. |
| 00:53:12 | saratoga | ok, then i'll look into syncing it |
| 00:53:48 | linuxstb | If I was you, I would just continue with the plugin, and then slowly change it to become more codec-like (i.e. making the codec process data from a memory buffer, rather than accessing the file directly) |
| 00:53:50 | n1s | amiconn: I managed to even reduce codesize for coldfire a little and a bit more for sh by rearranging the mp3entry struct and the track_info struct in which mp3entry is a member (the track_info struct was the main cause of size increase because of a more complicated access, as I am sure you saw Lear posted in here a couple of hours ago, I think I will post a patch with the changes tomorrow. |
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| 01:34:59 | mpeccorini | guys: what flags do I have to set to api->open so the file is appended if it exists and created if it doesn't? |
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| 01:39:27 | linuxstb_ | I think O_CREAT|O_WRONLY|O_APPEND |
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| 01:40:00 | mpeccorini | hmmm, I thought O_CREAT and O_APPEND where mutually exclusive, but that probably makes sense. I'll try that way. thanks |
| 01:40:08 | mpeccorini | *were |
| 01:40:20 | linuxstb_ | You can always check the source to "open" - see open_internal() in firmware/common/file.c |
| 01:41:51 | mpeccorini | you were right, that's the combination |
| 01:42:00 | mpeccorini | linuxstb: thanks again |
| 01:42:16 | linuxstb_ | You're welcome |
| 01:42:41 | mpeccorini | I'm just about to have the PGN writer ready |
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| 03:14:55 | Iriverguy | Hi, I cannot pick a font that I want. How do I do that? |
| 03:15:47 | Noah0504 | Iriverguy: I'm not sure, but does the WPS config have to be altered? |
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| 03:17:15 | Iriverguy | I dont know. I reecently lost my H10 5gb and am strugling to get rockbox configured for my new H10 20gb. |
| 03:17:50 | Noah0504 | Hmm, well, I'm not really sure. Perhaps the Rockbox forums can offer some more help? |
| 03:18:24 | toffe82 | Iriverguy: just go in the settings and choose the font you want in the list |
| 03:18:30 | Iriverguy | I used to be able to just select a font by selecting it, but all my fonts are not there |
| 03:18:51 | toffe82 | reinstall the fonts |
| 03:18:55 | JustinAiken | hello everyone |
| 03:19:06 | Iriverguy | Where do i put the files. there is no directory for fonts |
| 03:19:31 | JustinAiken | quick question... do you have to format the 80GB ipod before installing rockbox, and which build/bootloader do i need? |
| 03:19:36 | Iriverguy | Hello JustinAiken |
| 03:19:40 | toffe82 | use rbutils so you don't have any problem to do it |
| 03:21:28 | Iriverguy | Thanks alot. You guys rock!!! |
| 03:21:46 | scorche | toffe82: received |
| 03:21:53 | toffe82 | Iriverguy: or extraxct the file to the root of your player |
| 03:22:32 | toffe82 | scorche: ;) |
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| 03:22:38 | JustinAiken | quick question... do you have to format the 80GB ipod before installing rockbox, and which build/bootloader do i need? |
| 03:24:01 | Noah0504 | JustinAiken: I don't think Rockbox works with the 80GB model yet. |
| 03:24:14 | Noah0504 | The 5.5g iPod aren't supported yet. |
| 03:24:19 | Noah0504 | You may look though. |
| 03:24:40 | JustinAiken | on the main page under news it says it's supported as of 5-23... |
| 03:24:49 | XbooX | it works on the 5.5G 80GB iPod |
| 03:24:54 | JustinAiken | but then in the current builds there's just the regular 64MB version |
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| 03:25:19 | XbooX | hmm |
| 03:26:00 | scorche | Noah0504: it does |
| 03:26:19 | scorche | JustinAiken: you only need to format if it is formatted HFS+ |
| 03:26:32 | Noah0504 | Ahh, okay. I just remember seeing that the 5.5g models weren't supported yet, but that was a little bit ago. |
| 03:27:08 | JustinAiken | <schoche> how do i check if it's HFS+ ? |
| 03:27:14 | XbooX | JustinAiken: if you use EvilG-Fusion-60-80G-20070525.zip , i cant remember where i got it. it works really well on the 80GB iPods |
| 03:27:34 | scorche | JustinAiken: you currently use itunes, correct? |
| 03:27:53 | JustinAiken | yes |
| 03:28:12 | scorche | do you have a mac or a windows computer? |
| 03:28:16 | JustinAiken | windows |
| 03:28:23 | scorche | then you dont need to format |
| 03:28:27 | JustinAiken | yay! |
| 03:28:38 | JustinAiken | so i just find EvilG-Fusion-60-80G-20070525.zip, and use the regular bootloader? |
| 03:28:55 | scorche | use a curent build |
| 03:28:58 | scorche | current |
| 03:29:03 | scorche | not evilg's |
| 03:29:28 | JustinAiken | ok |
| 03:31:22 | XbooX | JustinAiken im looking for a link |
| 03:31:45 | JustinAiken | will i use this loader? ->http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ipodpatcher/ |
| 03:34:13 | scorche | just follow the instructions in the manual |
| 03:35:18 | JustinAiken | okay, just wanted to make sure, because the manual is from may 19th, before the 80GB was supported |
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| 03:35:44 | XbooX | JustinAiken: should say ipodpatcher v1.0 with v1.1 bootloaders at the top when you run the file |
| 03:35:57 | scorche | then get a newer manual |
| 03:37:47 | XbooX | JustinAiken: you can find that archive here http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8740.0 |
| 03:38:38 | JustinAiken | which works better? EvilG's 5/25 build or the official 0529 build? |
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| 03:40:33 | XbooX | hmm |
| 03:40:43 | XbooX | have not tried the official 0529 build |
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| 03:40:52 | XbooX | the evilg one works great |
| 03:40:54 | scorche | JustinAiken: those builds have other patches included and are unsupported by us |
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| 03:45:23 | JustinAiken | woohoo! it's working |
| 03:45:38 | JustinAiken | thanks guys... i've been waiting for rockbox since i bought the 80GB the day it came out... |
| 03:46:38 | XbooX | scorche: do i need to recompile Rockbox to use a patch, or just overwrite/add files? |
| 03:46:47 | XbooX | same here JustinAiken lol |
| 03:46:51 | scorche | recompile |
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| 04:30:18 | XbooX | EvilG's 80GB Release is much better in my opinion |
| 04:30:47 | XbooX | the scroll is still not too great in the latest official release |
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| 04:47:16 | kkurbjun | or the coldfire irivers for that matter |
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| 08:51:41 | scorche | that would be a line out that is always outputted through 2 pins |
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| 09:28:57 | pondlife | Hmm, I can't logout of Flyspray - it keeps me logged in after I click on Logout... |
| 09:29:34 | GodEater | delete your cookie ? |
| 09:29:54 | pondlife | Guess so... |
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| 09:30:21 | pondlife | I'd have thought that an explicit logout should overwrite or delete it anyway. |
| 09:31:23 | GodEater | well ideally yes :) |
| 09:31:40 | GodEater | I wasn't offering it as a long term solution, just till Zagor can mend it |
| 09:32:07 | Zagor | I take it this is a new phenomenon? |
| 09:32:35 | pondlife | No idea |
| 09:32:45 | GodEater | well logging out works for me - maybe it's local to your machine pondlife |
| 09:32:46 | pondlife | I just wanted to see how Flyspray appeared to a new user. |
| 09:33:21 | pondlife | Hmm, I'm running very standard stuff... well, Windows 2000 and IE6.. for my sins. |
| 09:33:31 | GodEater | wash your mouth out |
| 09:33:38 | * | pondlife gargles |
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| 09:34:02 | GodEater | GNU/Linux/Firefox here |
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| 09:45:05 | servo | i've got an old gmini 220 that i'm looking to upgrade firmware, just wondering if that is an option? |
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| 09:45:47 | B4gder | servo: rockbox doesn't run on that player. Room for you to step forward and make it! ;-) |
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| 10:01:35 | crop | Is it possible to NOT to accelerate when scrolling in lists? In the settings, I can't find the 'off' option. |
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| 10:06:02 | GodEater | List Acceleration Start Display -> off ? |
| 10:06:08 | GodEater | s/Dislpay/Delay |
| 10:06:12 | GodEater | argh |
| 10:06:14 | GodEater | you get the idea |
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| 10:12:36 | Kioui | Hey guys, it works just nearly perfect for iPod 80gb |
| 10:13:40 | Kioui | Just to know, is there someone here workinj on the iPod wheel driver? |
| 10:14:58 | B4gder | not that i know of |
| 10:15:21 | Kioui | Because I noticed some strange things when playing with it |
| 10:15:53 | LinusN | Kioui: the scroll acceleration is a little...weird... |
| 10:16:09 | Kioui | And I would lio also to suggest a little click sound when an action is done |
| 10:16:23 | LinusN | would be nice |
| 10:16:58 | teksturi | when this woderful Rockbox come version for Archos 140 or come it never? |
| 10:17:10 | Kioui | I know that there is a PC-Speaker into the unit (the OF uses it and also the Loader 2 bootloader) |
| 10:17:55 | Kioui | teksturi: Maybo you will find the answer into the new ports forum (http://forums.rockbox.org) |
| 10:21:10 | GodEater | Kioui: I think you mean the piezo-unit that the OF uses to produce the clicks. It's not a pc speaker as such. |
| 10:22:00 | B4gder | teksturi: it comes to that player whenever owners of that player port rockbox to it |
| 10:22:10 | crop | GodEater: ah yesss! I remember that I've seen 'off' somewhere but looked at the wrong place the last time. Thanks! |
| 10:24:34 | teksturi | B4gder: so if i send my player and await half year or something like this then it work?? |
| 10:25:17 | B4gder | teksturi: no, you can send a player, cross your fingers, beg the devs, send beer, send praise and help out from your end. Then it might might might work after a good while. |
| 10:25:48 | B4gder | we are all spare time developers here |
| 10:25:53 | B4gder | time is what lacks |
| 10:25:57 | B4gder | and often docs |
| 10:26:19 | B4gder | I mean, spare time hacking in the rockbox project, many of us are full-time developers |
| 10:26:20 | Kioui | GodEater: Yes I mean this thing that plays "clicks" |
| 10:27:36 | Kioui | But we already have such beeps support (soft-emulated ) when we activate "volume beeps" in reading preferences |
| 10:29:36 | teksturi | Ok i understood. What is andress where i send beer :D :D |
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| 10:37:35 | B4gder | teksturi: the same address to where you send the player I guess, so you first need to find a dev interested in receiving and working on a brand new port |
| 10:38:04 | B4gder | don't count on a team of people running for the opportunity |
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| 10:43:04 | Zagor | teksturi: are you talking about the ancient AV140, or something else? |
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| 10:46:39 | B4gder | btw the podcast at linuxactionshow.com episode 48 mentions Rockbox a tad bit |
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| 10:53:59 | GodEater | B4gder: do you listen to these guys much ? |
| 10:54:18 | B4gder | no, I just downloaded that the other day to "try them out" |
| 10:55:06 | B4gder | I want really techy linux/open source podcasts, but there aren't that many good around |
| 10:55:30 | GodEater | this isn't what I call "good" :) |
| 10:55:34 | B4gder | exactly |
| 10:55:48 | B4gder | they lack the "tech" part I'd say |
| 10:56:04 | B4gder | I mean, they talk a lot but without knowledge about what's really going on |
| 10:56:14 | GodEater | not much better than that dl.tv thing. Two "techies" chatting who actually don't appear to possess a clue between them. |
| 10:56:32 | B4gder | yes, it seems most podcasts are like that |
| 10:56:41 | B4gder | gather a few people who like to talk |
| 10:56:56 | B4gder | floss weekly is nice |
| 10:56:58 | markun | B4gder: do you know chaosradio? |
| 10:57:04 | B4gder | but far from "weekly"... |
| 10:57:07 | B4gder | nope |
| 10:57:20 | markun | http://chaosradio.ccc.de/ |
| 10:57:24 | markun | mostly german |
| 10:57:41 | markun | the Chaosradio Express casts are quite nice |
| 10:57:42 | GodEater | I'm currently in the odd posistion of typing input into cgi:irc, and only seeing the output in the rockbox log. Nothing being echoed back in the irc client =/ |
| 10:57:46 | B4gder | my german is... lacking |
| 10:58:07 | markun | They also have some English podcasts: http://chaosradio.ccc.de/chaosradio_international.html |
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| 10:59:10 | B4gder | I'll try it out! |
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| 11:00:08 | markun | the normal 3 hour chaosradio podcasts are less interesting than the 'express' ones |
| 11:00:15 | GodEater | ha, access denied here =/ |
| 11:00:42 | markun | B4gder: btw, I found out about them when I was googling for rockbox: https://wiki.chaosradio.ccc.de/Chaosradio_105 |
| 11:00:54 | markun | unfortunately we were not mentioned in that episode |
| 11:01:32 | Kioui | Does anyone noticed a bug with the "Lock" on the iPod |
| 11:02:05 | GodEater | Kioui: nope - what have you noticed ? |
| 11:02:17 | Kioui | by Lock I mean the little lock switch : when I put it to "ON" the ipod keys are locked but when i put it back to unlocked state: no chance to unlock |
| 11:02:39 | GodEater | some people have reported this issue - it's not happened to me however =/ |
| 11:03:05 | Kioui | What is ttrange, is that the scren comes back up when not locked, but noway to enter into the menu, change volume or so |
| 11:03:29 | Kioui | I got it with a 80gb ipod |
| 11:03:38 | GodEater | I also own an 80GB. No such issue here. |
| 11:04:02 | Kioui | Hum strange.. |
| 11:04:17 | Kioui | Maybe there is a "time condition" |
| 11:04:19 | markun | Talk about rockbox and GPLv3: http://lwn.net/Articles/205243/ |
| 11:04:26 | Kioui | What i did is : |
| 11:04:31 | GodEater | you're running a current build Kioui ? |
| 11:04:38 | Kioui | 1) Start a directory playback. |
| 11:04:56 | Kioui | a daily build from yesterday |
| 11:05:04 | Kioui | 2) Immediately locked the keyboard. |
| 11:05:21 | Kioui | 3) several tracks after, tried to unlock and the problem appeared |
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| 11:05:47 | GodEater | Kioui: install the current build, and see if you still get the issue |
| 11:06:39 | Kioui | Daily builds are older than current ones? |
| 11:06:55 | GodEater | yes |
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| 11:07:12 | GodEater | the current one is "current", the daily build is only built once a day |
| 11:07:38 | Kioui | GodEater: Unfortunately I dont have my iPod cable here: I'll install it this evening |
| 11:07:57 | Kioui | meaning in 8 hours |
| 11:09:28 | * | GodEater 's iPod cable goes wherever his iPod does :) |
| 11:11:30 | markun | Don't know if it was mentioned here, but Last.FM was bought by CBS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6701863.stm |
| 11:12:35 | * | Kioui ipod's cable will do the same thing very soon :D |
| 11:19:12 | * | petur has an iriver with standard usb plugs and has standard usb cables everywhere :p |
| 11:19:16 | GodEater | markun: what the heck is "tivoisation" ? |
| 11:19:42 | * | GodEater also owns several players which use standard usb cables. Those cables also travel everywhere with him. |
| 11:19:44 | B4gder | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tivoization |
| 11:19:56 | GodEater | I should have looked there first =/ |
| 11:20:00 | B4gder | hehe |
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| 11:21:09 | B4gder | ie trying to prevent users of linux-runing devices to be able to modify the software |
| 11:21:19 | markun | GodEater: btw, I noticed the original article was already linked from our ArticlesAboutRockbox |
| 11:21:24 | markun | http://lwn.net/Articles/204130/ |
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| 11:23:14 | B4gder | ah gplv3 draft 4 is out |
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| 11:32:24 | * | Kioui is trying to reproduce the iPod-lock-bug even if he doesn't use a current build yet |
| 11:32:33 | * | GodEater notes something useful from B4gder's recommended podcast regarding linuxmce |
| 11:33:10 | Kioui | GodEater: linuxmce? like media center ? |
| 11:33:20 | GodEater | yes |
| 11:33:38 | GodEater | unfortunately it sounds like it sucks |
| 11:34:09 | Kioui | too bad: It would be great to have a real dedicated linux MCE box |
| 11:34:54 | * | GodEater will wait until XBMC is ported to linux |
| 11:34:56 | B4gder | Kioui: you can still have that |
| 11:39:17 | Kioui | B4gder: Maybe, I didn't really looked at this |
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| 11:57:00 | Kioui | iPod lock-bug: It seems that the lock as nothing to do with this |
| 11:57:34 | Kioui | If you stay morethan 5 min without touching your ipod, it seems to lock the keyboard |
| 11:57:55 | Kioui | Is jhere such a functionality in Rockbox ? |
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| 12:08:01 | bluebrother | Kioui: none that I know of. |
| 12:09:15 | markun | Kioui: and no way to unlock it? |
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| 12:17:02 | * | petur wonders if http://www.turbolinux.com/products/wizpy/ would make an easy target |
| 12:18:38 | petur | a bit short on details, that page :/ |
| 12:19:25 | pondlife | Hmm, the browser/list code seems a bit screwy at the moment :/ |
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| 12:21:03 | GodEater | looks pretty cool :) |
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| 12:21:06 | pondlife | Pressing SELECT to go from WPS to the file browser selects the track AFTER the one being played, and there's a lot of blank space displayed where tracks should be.. |
| 12:21:35 | pondlife | e.g. if I'm playing track 17, and that's the last track, I get tracks 14-17 displayed, with a lot of blank space after. |
| 12:24:03 | jhMikeS | pondlife: There all sorts of weidness now on e200 with odd list skipping and the scrollwheel not working after exiting some plugins/screens. |
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| 12:25:47 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Did you implement the repeat events for the Sansa's wheel? |
| 12:25:54 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: yes |
| 12:26:22 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: How do they work? My understanding is that the wheel is physical, so there's no concept of touching and releasing it. |
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| 12:26:42 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: simply by velocity |
| 12:27:34 | linuxstb | So if "current click" happens less than X ticks after "previous click", it's a repeat? |
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| 12:28:13 | jhMikeS | yes, but not if the wheel reverses direction |
| 12:28:27 | Kioui | markun: ipodlock-bug: none, only cold-reboot. |
| 12:28:46 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Is that time constant? |
| 12:29:27 | jhMikeS | 30 tick...same repeat as the repeat interval for keys. I spent awhile tweaking all the number to make it comfortable...to me at least :) |
| 12:29:54 | linuxstb | I'm curious because of the bug report that the list acceleration kicks in on the Sansa even when scrolling very slowly. I would have thought that if the user was scrolling slowly, then they wouldn't be repeat events. |
| 12:30:44 | jhMikeS | I never witnessed it until recently |
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| 12:31:03 | linuxstb | Yes, it's related to jdgordon's recent list acceleration commit. |
| 12:31:35 | jhMikeS | repeat events on the sansa shouldn't be taken too seriously I think |
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| 12:32:22 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Looks like I'm seeing two different problems... one is a Follow Playlist oddity: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7244 |
| 12:32:35 | pondlife | The other is something to do with general list positioning. |
| 12:32:41 | jhMikeS | they're good for stopping list wrap but that's about it |
| 12:33:01 | pondlife | I can happily repro the Follow Playlist problem on my H340, but not at all on the sim :( |
| 12:37:43 | jhMikeS | I can't do it on the e200 (which is what's convenient to test atm). :\ |
| 12:38:09 | pondlife | Probably requires a WPS with next track info too. |
| 12:39:18 | jhMikeS | I'm using iCatcher...can't do it. |
| 12:39:43 | pondlife | I reset settings and now the problem has gone away. |
| 12:40:34 | jhMikeS | now...which setting really starts that? :) |
| 12:40:51 | pondlife | Not the WPS or font ... |
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| 12:42:43 | pondlife | OK, if I reset settings and just enable Follow Playlist, it misbehaves. |
| 12:42:57 | pondlife | No need for next track info on WPS at all. |
| 12:43:28 | jhMikeS | I'm way off the stock settings...un momentito |
| 12:44:07 | jhMikeS | Just got a dead scrollwheel though, until I pushed another button...: |
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| 12:47:21 | jhMikeS | nope, not getting it here on e200 |
| 12:48:12 | jhMikeS | odd, when I reverted settings, the WPS wasn't reset to default either |
| 12:49:22 | pondlife | I used the H300 rec-button-on-startup to clear. Not the menu option. |
| 12:49:35 | pondlife | I can repro a segfault on the sim though!! |
| 12:49:38 | jhMikeS | ok...I'll check that |
| 12:50:01 | pondlife | Probably not related, just one of those days when it keeps collapsing :) |
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| 12:50:32 | pondlife | Not much of a stack left... (gdb) bt #0 0x00401334 in get_action_worker (context=???, timeout=???, get_context_map=???) at action.c:110 |
| 12:51:53 | jhMikeS | I've had stkov's lately in the FM debug screen when holding keys |
| 12:52:46 | pondlife | Well this is easy to repro... having music playing, press SELECT to go back to file browser then press STOP... |
| 12:54:04 | pondlife | Does it from totally cleared settings too. |
| 12:54:17 | jhMikeS | I don't see it on target yet |
| 12:54:26 | pondlife | Nope, this one is sim only |
| 12:54:46 | pondlife | So I now have one sim-only and one target-only bug today. Plus one that occurs on both! |
| 12:54:59 | pondlife | Better get 'spraying |
| 12:56:34 | * | jhMikeS notices this accel bug is when repeats _aren't_ being flagged and continuing to move in one direction slowly keeps skipping more and more items |
| 12:57:48 | jhMikeS | the slower I move the worse it is...hrm |
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| 13:44:06 | crop | pondlife: here? |
| 13:46:52 | crop | pondlife: I've also experienced the bug with the wrong cursor position when going from WPS to the file browser (with follow playlist enabled). But that was not always reproducable. I have H120. |
| 13:48:24 | crop | pondlife: it seemed to me first that this occurs when you're at the very start of a song, i.e. while it's still buffering. But then it worked also at this point. So I gave up. |
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| 14:05:21 | pondlife | crop: I thnk that's the pattern I'm seeing too. Seems to misbehave during buffering.. |
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| 14:16:06 | crop | pondlife: hmm. iirc, the follow playlist feature relies on the fact that some global (or static) var has the right value between two func calls. And if there's much buffering in between (and hence much thread swapping) then it could break. |
| 14:19:18 | crop | It was somewhere in root_menu.c I think |
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| 14:20:55 | crop | Yes, here: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/root_menu.c?r1=12972&r2=12985&pathrev=13526 This is what I mean |
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| 15:05:01 | GodEater | linuxstb: did you give any more consideration to the FAT32 formatting feature being included in ipodpatcher ? |
| 15:06:24 | linuxstb | It's somewhere on my to-do list. |
| 15:07:20 | GodEater | did amiconn say whether he'd tried to replicate the issue users have reported with mkdosfs ? |
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| 15:08:42 | linuxstb | I don't know |
| 15:09:22 | linuxstb | Do you know if it's just Rockbox that complains about these filesystems? |
| 15:09:43 | GodEater | from what I could gather, rockbox is the one which complains *most* |
| 15:09:47 | GodEater | in that it doesn't work at all |
| 15:09:59 | GodEater | allegedly the Apple OS can still read it |
| 15:10:10 | GodEater | although one user said "it cant' write to it anymore" |
| 15:10:20 | GodEater | I'm not sure how he/she arrived at this conclusion though |
| 15:10:34 | GodEater | as the only writing I'm aware the apple os does is back to the iTunesDB on things like play counts |
| 15:10:35 | amiconn | hmmm |
| 15:11:02 | GodEater | all computer based OSes managed to mount it ok and write to it I think |
| 15:11:21 | linuxstb | GodEater: Recording? |
| 15:11:46 | GodEater | ah yes, I forget you can do that on iPods too |
| 15:11:47 | linuxstb | Also, the USB camera connector lets you transfer photos. |
| 15:11:58 | GodEater | well - they didn't mention how they arrived at that conclusion |
| 15:12:02 | GodEater | so your guess is as good as mine |
| 15:13:15 | linuxstb | You can also create on-the-fly playlists... |
| 15:13:25 | GodEater | really ? |
| 15:13:32 | GodEater | wow - never knew that |
| 15:14:12 | * | amiconn doesn't have trust in linux' usb capabilities anymore |
| 15:14:29 | linuxstb | From my brief experience, the Apple firmware is decent, as long as you're happy with only using a database and (on most ipods) no gapless. |
| 15:15:07 | * | GodEater just booted into apple os to see |
| 15:15:16 | GodEater | it's only one on-the-go playlist |
| 15:15:21 | GodEater | and that *could* just get held in memory |
| 15:15:27 | B4gder | amiconn: so fix it :-) |
| 15:15:50 | linuxstb | GodEater: It's been a long time, but I'm pretty sure you can create many. I don't have any itunes databases to check though. |
| 15:16:11 | GodEater | if that's the case I have no idea how you do it =/ |
| 15:16:29 | amiconn | B4gder: If I knew how... at least my linux box is silently producing data errors via usb without the kernel noticing... :( |
| 15:17:07 | B4gder | wow |
| 15:17:08 | GodEater | I noticed my PS3 producing "over charge" errors on it's USB ports last night. The kernel noticed them just fine. |
| 15:17:23 | B4gder | I'll admit USB in the linux kernel is... complicated |
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| 15:18:23 | * | B4gder recently ported linux to a MIPS cpu with a usb circuit over PCI blablabla... that was a lot of fun and poking around... |
| 15:18:44 | amiconn | I noticed when first trying flac files (encoded on linux). First I thought rockbox had a problem with gapless... then I noticed the files ending prematurely |
| 15:19:22 | amiconn | Then I did a binary compare of the file on my H300 with the file on the linux box.... at a certain point, they started to be totally different |
| 15:19:32 | linuxstb | Have you asked google? |
| 15:19:42 | amiconn | ...exactly the point where rockbox decided to skip to the next file |
| 15:20:40 | amiconn | Then I copied everything to my windows laptop (using samba), and put it on the H180 from there with no single data error |
| 15:21:05 | petur | I think I just saw a strange list behaviour: in a long dirlist, move to one of the last dirs, use the context menu to add the dir to the playlist. When it returns to the dir view, the selection is quite high on the display with the rest below just whitespace... |
| 15:21:11 | Cassandra | B4gder, does it run Zune Linux, though? |
| 15:22:20 | amiconn | Thereseems to be a problem in the linux ISD200 driver as well (that one *is* noticed by the kernel) |
| 15:23:09 | B4gder | Cassandra: yes it does, but then the guy who had all the code took off to a looong trip abroad... |
| 15:23:30 | petur | lol |
| 15:23:34 | Cassandra | Damn him! |
| 15:23:46 | GodEater | B4gder: probably to buy a hollow volcano from which to take over the world ? |
| 15:23:47 | petur | ... and all he left behind was a bag of shit? |
| 15:23:50 | Cassandra | Now we'll never be able to port Zune Linux to Rockbox. |
| 15:24:05 | B4gder | yeah, we seem to be cursed! |
| 15:24:29 | GodEater | I think we may be in luck, I have a copy of Zune Linux running on my watch |
| 15:24:35 | GodEater | we could reverse engineer it from that |
| 15:26:39 | Cassandra | Awww. They have a release plan. Bless! http://zune-linux.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=94 |
| 15:27:02 | * | linuxstb just saw that page... ;) |
| 15:27:24 | GodEater | they forgot the final step : 'fess up that this is all bullcrap. |
| 15:27:40 | B4gder | "somewhat adequate" |
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| 15:28:49 | * | petur rolls over the floor.... what a way to start the weekend |
| 15:29:12 | petur | "Planning> This is the current state of the Zune Linux Project." |
| 15:29:47 | Cassandra | Wow. There's a forum user called "koolmanlol". I wonder if that handle is taken on the Rockbox forums. It's so awesome. How come I didn't think of it? |
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| 15:30:45 | linuxstb | "If you want to work with mobile devices and linux. Learn C#.." - http://zune-linux.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=47 |
| 15:31:19 | amiconn | This roadmap is more adequate imho: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zunelinux/+roadmap |
| 15:32:43 | petur | this remark is nice too: http://www.zune-linux.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=93&pid=973#pid973 -> laughing at a MS guy because they think he doesn't know what he's talking about |
| 15:33:21 | linuxstb | Are Zunes even available outside the US yet? |
| 15:33:40 | B4gder | I don't think so |
| 15:33:52 | linuxstb | Google tells me 2008... |
| 15:33:58 | linuxstb | (for Europe) |
| 15:34:15 | Zagor | they'll really be state-of-the-art by then... |
| 15:34:52 | B4gder | zune linux will be kicking ass by then! |
| 15:34:55 | linuxstb | Just as Apple move away from DRM, MS implement yet another DRM scheme... |
| 15:35:00 | * | B4gder giggles loudly |
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| 15:35:34 | * | B4gder tries to do a straight face so that his co-workers don't look at him as much |
| 15:36:10 | * | petur tries to imagine B4gder doing a straight face |
| 15:36:38 | B4gder | I also like their ideas about a distributed effort to crack the key |
| 15:36:43 | B4gder | 160bit SHA1 |
| 15:36:57 | B4gder | that ought to be quick! |
| 15:37:29 | B4gder | compare to how swiftly the 72bit RC5 cracking is going |
| 15:37:43 | Cassandra | "If we could pull the firmware off, then when we develop our own then we may be able to put our own verion on..." - A quote from someone calling himself "TechGuy". |
| 15:38:44 | GodEater | he's a genius |
| 15:38:48 | B4gder | "I wonder if DVD-Jon would be interested in helping us with this." |
| 15:38:54 | GodEater | we just don't comprehend how clever he really is |
| 15:39:28 | B4gder | now I need more coffee to get back to the ground again |
| 15:40:10 | Cassandra | You see, that's where previous attempts at Zune Linux have fallen down. They tried to wish Linux onto the device as opposed to actually developing a replacement firmware. |
| 15:40:17 | Cassandra | Oh, hold on a minute .... |
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| 15:43:36 | donutman25 | what are the disadvantages if the binary size increased by 1KB? |
| 15:43:50 | Cassandra | negligable these days. |
| 15:44:09 | Cassandra | Eventually Rockbox will stop working on Archos targets because it's too big. |
| 15:44:13 | linuxstb | But it's the principle - lots of unnecessary 1KB increases are bad. |
| 15:44:22 | * | Cassandra nods. |
| 15:44:39 | Cassandra | We don't want any unnecessary increases. |
| 15:44:53 | B4gder | especially not when removing variables ;-) |
| 15:45:16 | donutman25 | ok |
| 15:45:31 | petur | desowin: that qtscrobbler version you gave me works great. I suggested the creator of LogScrobbler (on misticriver) to abandon his program and join yours. |
| 15:46:11 | petur | desowin: he wrote it in C# and now he's looking at making a linux version :) |
| 15:46:48 | * | desowin is always open for new developers :-) |
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| 15:47:36 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: Are you still looking for answers about rolo? |
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| 15:47:58 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, yeah, if you have an explanation on it |
| 15:48:26 | BockBilbo | im making a new rockbox theme for the 5g ipods... and i have a question relating to text positioning on the screen |
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| 15:48:47 | Hilikus | hi guys |
| 15:49:03 | BockBilbo | ive been reading the wiki and i've found no information on how to locate the text on the places i want it to be |
| 15:49:07 | Hilikus | any updates on the new wps? |
| 15:49:08 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: There's not much to explain - as you mentioned, the rolo_restart() function is in IRAM, which allows the new firmware being rolo'ed to be copied over existing Rockbox. |
| 15:49:23 | kkurbjun | ok, thats what I thought |
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| 15:49:27 | Hilikus | BockBilbo: you mean in the wps? |
| 15:49:37 | kkurbjun | the gigabeat doesn't have iram correct, only a data and instruction cache |
| 15:49:38 | BockBilbo | right Hilikus |
| 15:49:45 | BockBilbo | im making a new theme |
| 15:49:51 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: I thought it had a tiny amount of IRAM. |
| 15:49:54 | B4gder | Hilikus: the new wps? |
| 15:50:00 | Hilikus | its text based, imagine positioning text and pictures in a text doc |
| 15:50:17 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, do you know what DS would say that? |
| 15:50:24 | Hilikus | so you have to add empty lines |
| 15:50:32 | kkurbjun | I've seen some code in the OF that copies to 0x40000000 |
| 15:50:37 | BockBilbo | i know hilikus.. the issue is that i already placed the images correctly but cant manage to locate some text right |
| 15:50:39 | kkurbjun | and I was wondering if that was iram |
| 15:50:40 | Hilikus | no wait to position text in an absolute pos |
| 15:50:49 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: "DS" ? |
| 15:50:55 | BockBilbo | i want to add the current time on the center of the top of the screeen |
| 15:51:00 | kkurbjun | but I couldn't find a refrence to is.. datasheet, sorry |
| 15:51:12 | BockBilbo | which will be b/w the play,pause,shuffle,repeat, hold and battery icon |
| 15:51:13 | Hilikus | if you cant position text correctly itsprobably easier to change the pics to fit the text |
| 15:51:20 | Hilikus | or try a differet font size |
| 15:51:20 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: No, I haven't looked at any gigabeat datasheets. |
| 15:51:43 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: markun would know for sure... |
| 15:51:44 | Hilikus | B4gder: the views thingy |
| 15:51:48 | BockBilbo | Hilikus but how do i mark where to start positioning? |
| 15:52:03 | BockBilbo | is there something similar to the margin or padding attributes on css for rockbox? |
| 15:52:22 | BockBilbo | something like we do with images, giving the x and y coordenates on the screen? |
| 15:52:25 | markun | kkurbjun: 4K of SRAM |
| 15:52:30 | B4gder | Hilikus: ah, viewports. That's a complete ui concept for Rockbox, not just a "new wps" |
| 15:52:31 | markun | look at the S3C2440 manual |
| 15:52:55 | Hilikus | i dont know, maybe a patch? but not in the normal distribution i think |
| 15:53:05 | BockBilbo | :/ |
| 15:53:05 | B4gder | Hilikus: ? |
| 15:53:05 | Hilikus | B4gder: ok |
| 15:53:09 | B4gder | ah |
| 15:53:15 | * | B4gder gets confused |
| 15:53:27 | Hilikus | B4gder: you know if there has been any progress withthat? |
| 15:53:43 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, another question, do you know why the ipods, and arms in general dont just put their vector tables at the begining of the bin, but instead copy them to address 0 later on? |
| 15:53:46 | kkurbjun | thanks markun |
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| 15:54:18 | B4gder | Hilikus: I know there hasn't happened a lot, at least not code-wise. amiconn is the man for that really |
| 15:54:30 | Hilikus | i see |
| 15:54:43 | kkurbjun | I moved the vector tables to the begining of the linker for the gigabeat to match our other non-arm targets and I was able to get it to work fine and it simplifies the crt0 code, but I was wondering what the reason was |
| 15:55:37 | Hilikus | hey, im using (and loving) the random album change after a current album finishes, does anybody know if there is a way to skip a directory instead of a song? kind of like when you press DISC+ in a car stereo |
| 15:56:00 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: No, I don't know. I _think_ that was implemented by tomal for the iFP port. |
| 15:56:27 | Hilikus | cause sometimes the album(dir) chosen randomly is an album i dont want to listen to, so i would like to jump to any other randomly selected dir |
| 15:57:02 | BockBilbo | http://www.goikoetxeta.com/example.png |
| 15:57:12 | BockBilbo | that's the design im working on |
| 15:57:38 | Hilikus | oh you speak spanish |
| 15:57:43 | Hilikus | its nice btw |
| 15:57:54 | BockBilbo | ;) |
| 15:58:02 | BockBilbo | thanks |
| 15:58:12 | Hilikus | is it for an ipod? |
| 15:58:16 | BockBilbo | yeah |
| 15:58:21 | BockBilbo | for the 5g |
| 15:58:42 | BockBilbo | i have place the images correctly, but somehow cant manage to place the time on the top |
| 15:58:43 | BockBilbo | :/ |
| 15:58:56 | Hilikus | i had the problem of aligning text with pictures, and theres no easy way to solve itr |
| 15:59:18 | BockBilbo | but some people have done it properly |
| 15:59:21 | linuxstb | You should do it the other way around - position the text first, then draw the pictures around it. |
| 15:59:25 | Hilikus | what dpo u mean, it is on the top |
| 15:59:44 | BockBilbo | Hilikus that's an image of the design ive made with the gimp |
| 15:59:51 | Hilikus | oh |
| 15:59:54 | BockBilbo | i see linuxstb |
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| 16:00:13 | linuxstb | WPSs are based on lines of text - you can't position text at any position on the screen. |
| 16:00:20 | Hilikus | the text just doesnt appear or what |
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| 16:01:05 | BockBilbo | ohhh linuxstb ok |
| 16:01:23 | BockBilbo | so once i place the text, how should i do to set the images on the positions i want? |
| 16:01:42 | linuxstb | Take a screenshot, and work from that. |
| 16:01:43 | kkurbjun | hmm, ok, well I've been adding alot more code to CRT0.s for all the bank initialization on the gigabeat, I think for now I'll just try and look for a clean way to simplify the s3c code and then if someone wants to mess around with the rest of the arm targets they can, eventually when all the work is done it will require a new boot loader, but none of this will be committed before the bootloader is working in flash (if I'm lucky and |
| 16:01:53 | Hilikus | so any ideas on how to change directory randomly? to like choose a new album randomly |
| 16:02:04 | kkurbjun | markun, what do you think about committing the lcd initialization code at least from shoora? |
| 16:02:26 | markun | sure, do it |
| 16:02:35 | markun | I wanted to do it myself and then forgot about it again :) |
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| 16:03:02 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: I had one comment about that - it includes "black magic" taken from the original firmware. It would be nice to add a comment to that effect, so people looking at the code in the future understand where it came from. |
| 16:03:07 | kkurbjun | :), ok, I'll do that later today then |
| 16:03:23 | kkurbjun | ok, I can do that |
| 16:04:37 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: If the crt0.S has become very specific to the s3c, you could always just create a crt0-s3c.S and leave the generic ARM version alone. |
| 16:04:41 | markun | linuxstb: maybe we can play with the values a bit to find out what they do |
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| 16:05:35 | tsygrl | hihi |
| 16:05:51 | markun | hi |
| 16:06:21 | tsygrl | Does anyone know if the Sansa M240 is compatible with rockbox ? I do not have a tiny screwdriver to open it and look at the chip. |
| 16:06:37 | B4gder | tsygrl: it is not |
| 16:06:37 | linuxstb | No it's not - just the E200 series. |
| 16:06:41 | BockBilbo | thanksa lot linuxstb i got it now :) |
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| 16:07:02 | GodEater | fortunately a tiny screwdriver is not required to find out if it's supported or not :) |
| 16:07:13 | tsygrl | ;-) |
| 16:07:19 | tsygrl | well thanks. |
| 16:07:25 | B4gder | well, you should of course still crack it open to see |
| 16:07:29 | B4gder | for the fun of it! ;-) |
| 16:07:50 | pondlife | And to start a new porr :) |
| 16:07:56 | pondlife | port, even |
| 16:07:56 | tsygrl | ;-) |
| 16:08:06 | tsygrl | what is rockbox based on ? |
| 16:08:11 | tsygrl | any OS ? |
| 16:08:20 | pondlife | No, just rockbox-OS |
| 16:08:21 | B4gder | it is rockbox |
| 16:08:21 | bluebrother | none |
| 16:08:24 | B4gder | based on nothing else |
| 16:08:30 | bluebrother | Rockbox is Rockbox. Written from scratch |
| 16:08:38 | tsygrl | tiny little OS just for that purpose. |
| 16:08:39 | tsygrl | cool |
| 16:10:37 | BockBilbo | linuxstb, is there any modification of the wps system beeing worked on right now? |
| 16:10:39 | linuxstb | $6,000,000 worth of tiny little OS... |
| 16:11:04 | tsygrl | ;-) |
| 16:11:27 | markun | tsygrl: if you want you could try to help with a port to the M240 |
| 16:11:31 | linuxstb | BockBilbo: A planned feature in Rockbox (not just WPSs) is viewports - which should allow more control over text positioning. Basically, you will specify a window on the screen, and draw in that. |
| 16:11:39 | markun | tsygrl: any idea what's inside? |
| 16:11:45 | tsygrl | not an idea |
| 16:11:51 | BockBilbo | great |
| 16:11:53 | tsygrl | i could open it up tonight. |
| 16:11:56 | linuxstb | markun: Maybe a blackfin... ;) |
| 16:12:13 | markun | linuxstb: I'll buy one :) |
| 16:12:18 | tsygrl | the only hint i have is that a battery lasts 17 hours in it. |
| 16:12:20 | BockBilbo | and will it be able to configure the menus and the recording screen? |
| 16:12:21 | tsygrl | cool ;-) |
| 16:12:46 | tsygrl | i could not get it into diag mode by the e200 directions. |
| 16:12:48 | BockBilbo | it seens very interesting |
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| 16:13:13 | linuxstb | BockBilbo: Customising the menus and recording screen are separate things. I'm sure it will happen eventually, but I don't know of anyone planning to do it. |
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| 16:13:41 | tsygrl | well - if folks really want to make a m240 port i might be willing to buy hardware, but need talk later gotta go work now. |
| 16:13:58 | BockBilbo | and in which stage is the development of the viewports right now? |
| 16:14:03 | BockBilbo | is it on early development? |
| 16:14:10 | tsygrl | well - you could make the menus in a linked list that could be changed. |
| 16:14:44 | tsygrl | talk later all. |
| 16:14:52 | tsygrl | −−-> work |
| 16:15:08 | linuxstb | BockBilbo: I don't think any code has been written - one person has shown a willingness to implement it, but we're all doing Rockbox in our spare time, so can't predict when things will happen. |
| 16:15:34 | BockBilbo | :) |
| 16:15:55 | linuxstb | Which reminds me, this isn't my spare time... |
| 16:16:14 | B4gder | ssshhhh |
| 16:16:19 | BockBilbo | hehe :/ |
| 16:16:33 | GodEater | wasn't viewports one of the GSoC sponsored projects ? |
| 16:16:40 | B4gder | nope |
| 16:16:59 | B4gder | or rather, there was someone who submitted something that coudl've been viewports |
| 16:17:00 | linuxstb | We have USBOTG, WMA, Text-to-speeh and metadata-on-buffer. |
| 16:17:01 | GodEater | so it wasn't |
| 16:17:14 | linuxstb | text-to-speech even |
| 16:17:29 | GodEater | text to speech is something I'm keen on seeing happen :) |
| 16:17:37 | * | markun too |
| 16:17:46 | * | linuxstb is keener on hearing it happen |
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| 16:17:57 | GodEater | I was going to make that gag |
| 16:18:01 | GodEater | but I decided not to |
| 16:18:04 | markun | linuxstb: hey, it's be the original bag of shit sound you expect from rb :) |
| 16:18:17 | markun | "it'll" even |
| 16:18:18 | GodEater | I guess the album art crowd will be pleased with MoB |
| 16:18:43 | linuxstb | They won't care - they already have a patch which works well enough for them. |
| 16:18:46 | GodEater | not very excited about USBOTG and WMA tho =/ |
| 16:19:03 | GodEater | linuxstb: true, but they don't have to keep using unsupported builds to use it |
| 16:19:15 | GodEater | then they can whinge to us when it breaks :) |
| 16:19:15 | BockBilbo | linuxstb, with MoB I'll be able to load the albumart from the tags, right? |
| 16:19:17 | markun | I don't think it will be USBOTG but just a USB device stack |
| 16:19:25 | linuxstb | BockBilbo: No, that's not a planned feature. |
| 16:19:25 | GodEater | BockBilbo: no |
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| 16:19:38 | BockBilbo | oks.. i guess i missunderstood it |
| 16:19:53 | linuxstb | BockBilbo: It's more an internal change that users won't immediately notice - making Rockbox use memory more efficiently. |
| 16:20:05 | BockBilbo | ok |
| 16:20:21 | XavierGr | does anyone know which is the best way to solder an smd led to a wire? |
| 16:20:36 | XavierGr | it is so difficult to solder these tiny beasts |
| 16:21:01 | BockBilbo | xD |
| 16:21:57 | BockBilbo | one last question related to wps... ive noticed that not all fonts converted from ttf look fine on rockbox... is that because of the aliasing? |
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| 16:25:08 | GodEater | BockBilbo: it's probably more the conversion process - it's not perfect |
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| 16:25:46 | petur | markun: I'll protest if he only makes a USB device stack, and then I'll resume in porting the philips stack to h3x0 |
| 16:25:46 | BockBilbo | which conversion process the one mad by the font convertor? |
| 16:27:15 | GodEater | yes |
| 16:27:34 | BockBilbo | *made, sorry |
| 16:27:39 | BockBilbo | ok thanks GodEater |
| 16:27:48 | GodEater | the ttf font format is vector based, whilst the .bdf fonts we use are pixel based - so the process can't be perfect |
| 16:28:08 | GodEater | IIRC :) |
| 16:28:40 | markun | petur: I know nothing about USB so I don't really know how difficult each of the tasks will be |
| 16:31:02 | linuxstb | On the PP targets (which I think is all austriancoder has), a software disk mode is most needed in Rockbox... |
| 16:31:35 | petur | he as a sansa iirc |
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| 16:31:57 | Hilikus | wma support?? why?? |
| 16:32:03 | B4gder | he at leased used to have an x5 too |
| 16:32:07 | saratoga | why not |
| 16:32:21 | Hilikus | who uses wma?? |
| 16:32:34 | linuxstb | People who accept the defaults in Windows. |
| 16:32:37 | saratoga | anyone know why cygwin and linux have very different ideas about what an int64 should be typedefed as? |
| 16:32:40 | linuxstb | i.e. many, many people. |
| 16:32:40 | petur | I have no troubles that he works on device mode first, but I think it would be nice if the stack he ports has host mode too. If not for the h3x0/x5, then for a later target maybe |
| 16:32:44 | saratoga | this is driving me insane |
| 16:33:04 | linuxstb | saratoga: Don't typedef - just use int64_t |
| 16:33:12 | linuxstb | (stdint.h iirc) |
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| 16:33:36 | saratoga | linuxstb: the code I have was written in cygwin and does not compile in linux because of disagreements abotu what an int64_t is |
| 16:33:47 | B4gder | ! |
| 16:34:01 | saratoga | lots of " error: syntax error before "uint64_t" messages |
| 16:34:07 | linuxstb | How are you defining int64_t - are you just including stdint.h ? |
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| 16:35:02 | Hilikus | a new absolute positioning UI would be more useful to the majority of users, more than wma. if you take windows defaults you probably wont be able to install RB anyway :P |
| 16:35:19 | Hilikus | just my oponion of course |
| 16:35:27 | B4gder | Hilikus: rockbox development is very little about what's most useful to the majority |
| 16:35:33 | saratoga | looks like it imports "#include <sys/types.h>" |
| 16:35:33 | linuxstb | Hilikus: People work on what they want to work on - either because they need it themselves, or it's fun. |
| 16:35:39 | GodEater | Hilikus: see our goldenquotes page for the dev's opinion's on wma :) |
| 16:35:53 | Hilikus | i will |
| 16:36:01 | saratoga | i get nothing but crap for this wma project |
| 16:36:14 | saratoga | well that and hours of help from linuxstb and preglow |
| 16:36:19 | B4gder | haha |
| 16:36:30 | B4gder | you'll get praise from users |
| 16:36:36 | Hilikus | true |
| 16:36:45 | saratoga | yeah but users who want wma aren't the kind i want to talk to i think |
| 16:36:50 | B4gder | and I love seeing rockbox cover yet another "white spot" |
| 16:37:00 | Hilikus | and doing ANYTHING for RB will get you praise |
| 16:37:36 | GodEater | saratoga: I think you'll get a lot of respect for doing it. It's not like it's easy. I just don't think most of us here present will actually ever make use of it in a meaningful way ;) |
| 16:37:45 | saratoga | so i should delete the import of types.h and import stdint.h instead? |
| 16:37:48 | * | linuxstb praises nls for managing to remove some variables and not increase binary size by 1KB |
| 16:38:11 | linuxstb | saratoga: I wouldn't have expected types.h to conflict with stdint.h |
| 16:38:27 | Hilikus | wouldnt it cost to support wma though? like royalties crap? |
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| 16:38:49 | Hilikus | or its only for encoders? |
| 16:39:08 | saratoga | linuxstb: theres no import of stdint (in the code anyway), though maybe stdint.h does? |
| 16:41:22 | GodEater | Hilikus: there already exist opensource codecs for wma. As far as we know, they have not incurred royalty payments. |
| 16:41:35 | linuxstb | Hilikus: Technically I guess a patent holder could persue Rockbox, but the only case I'm aware of is Dolby and the open source DTS decoder. |
| 16:42:34 | linuxstb | saratoga: Have you found where your uint64_t is being defined? |
| 16:43:20 | linuxstb | saratoga: Unless you've changed it, I see libwma/dtypes.h defines them. You should remove those definitions and #include stdint.h |
| 16:44:48 | linuxstb | "typedef unsigned long uint64_t" looks wrong to me... |
| 16:45:15 | * | linuxstb notices they are commented out... |
| 16:45:17 | saratoga | linuxstb: deleteing the types.h and changing it to stdint.h seems to placate it |
| 16:45:34 | saratoga | or at least it shifts all the errors to code i've actually written |
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| 16:45:47 | linuxstb | I'm guessing that maybe on Cygwin, types.h include stdint.h, but not in Linux. |
| 16:45:58 | saratoga | that would make sense |
| 16:46:00 | * | amiconn thinks wma support is quite important |
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| 16:46:12 | saratoga | you know, i'm starting to see why subsequent languages did not include a preprocessor |
| 16:46:21 | saratoga | that was something i never really appreaciated before |
| 16:46:28 | amiconn | This is because several original firmwares support wma, and not supporting it in rockbox stops users from switching |
| 16:47:24 | linuxstb | I agree - probably all original firmwares support it, apart from ipods (and Archos of course). |
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| 16:47:45 | amiconn | That said, I don't have any wma files (as a source) |
| 16:48:00 | amiconn | Making some is no problem at all though |
| 16:48:37 | Sanit | could someone tell me if the iPod 80GB is offically supported yet? I have been looking around the forums but can't find a deffinate answer |
| 16:48:42 | amiconn | linuxstb: Hehe, that reminds me - in the Ondio faq, archos promised to add wma support in a later firmware release... |
| 16:48:56 | linuxstb | Sanit: Yes it is - check the front page of the Rockbox website. |
| 16:49:15 | Sanit | Yeah, I noticed it was missing from the little note at the top of the page. :D |
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| 16:49:24 | linuxstb | Sanit: And the news item? |
| 16:49:24 | Sanit | good work guys, you made my day.. thanks |
| 16:49:55 | linuxstb | amiconn: Maybe Micronas promised a codec, but then couldn't deliver... |
| 16:49:56 | Sanit | ooh, ok. Sorry... I am so used to the news not changing much, i didn't check.. i guess, sorry anyway |
| 16:50:13 | Sanit | ;-) Thanks guys |
| 16:52:25 | amiconn | It's even still there.... lol |
| 16:52:29 | amiconn | linuxstb: http://www.archos.com/support/customer_support/faq/en/faq_ondio_128.html?country=gb&lang=en |
| 16:52:35 | markun | linuxstb: what kind of audio are we looking for for our codec test files? |
| 16:52:46 | amiconn | ...last item under "Music MP3" |
| 16:53:05 | linuxstb | amiconn: :) They've certainly been working for a long time... |
| 16:53:49 | linuxstb | markun: I think the concensus was that we wanted a file that was hard to encode - so it tests the codecs. The test was suggested by amiconn - see what bitrate lame -V2 generates. |
| 16:54:15 | markun | what kind of bitrate should we be aiming for? |
| 16:54:30 | amiconn | That's probably a bit biased though - music which is hard to encode as mp3 might not be hard to encode to other formats |
| 16:54:31 | markun | I'll try some creative commons flac files |
| 16:54:56 | amiconn | Afaik Soap was looking for a suitable piece of music |
| 16:55:01 | linuxstb | amiconn: That's true, but it's going to be impossible to be perfect. |
| 16:55:40 | linuxstb | It's just that I noticed Soap's first test track decoded faster than my other test files. |
| 16:55:56 | linuxstb | So I think it was an unusually "easy" track. |
| 16:56:16 | linuxstb | That was with some lossless codecs though. |
| 16:57:09 | linuxstb | markun: It's probably best to encode the middle of a song - so you don't get the silent/quiet start. |
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| 17:00:21 | markun | linuxstb: so what kind of bitrates did you get? |
| 17:00:36 | markun | the first file I tried got 175 |
| 17:01:05 | markun | wait, that didn't work out very well :) |
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| 17:01:46 | amiconn | I will happily provide mp2 and mp1 versions once we've decided on a test track |
| 17:02:00 | markun | it was 216 |
| 17:02:51 | amiconn | For lossy format, we should probably have 2 versions per format, one with a "typical" bitrate and one with the maximum |
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| 17:04:59 | linuxstb | markun: I didn't try anything... 216 doesn't seem too bad. |
| 17:05:27 | markun | linuxstb: I tried the 2nd track of this EP: http://www.archive.org/details/motomotomoto_flac |
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| 17:08:14 | AceNik | hey guys whats up |
| 17:08:50 | markun | hi AceNik |
| 17:09:12 | AceNik | hey hows u |
| 17:10:07 | markun | linuxstb: that site looks very nice, I'm sure we find something if we look hard enough: http://www.archive.org/details/opensource_audio |
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| 17:10:28 | AceNik | listen i was thinking is there a way somehow where we have tabs for the pictures & videos to be shown in the database view , but by selection of custom folder locations, not by scanning the whole disk |
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| 17:10:52 | linuxstb | markun: Yes, it does. I'm not sure how to decide on a track though... |
| 17:12:09 | linuxstb | AceNik: I'm not sure what you mean. Do you want to be able to have menu entries in the database browser which point to folders? |
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| 17:12:35 | AceNik | yup |
| 17:12:40 | AceNik | is that possible |
| 17:12:58 | AceNik | so in this way we would b able to have our pictures & videos shown in the database |
| 17:13:10 | Slasheri | AceNik: not (yet) possible |
| 17:13:15 | markun | linuxstb: should it be nice to listen to? I got some experimental electronic music which encoded at 248 :) |
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| 17:13:47 | AceNik | linuxstbthis website u prvide a link fr does it have free music? |
| 17:14:45 | GodEater | AceNik: can you try to use proper english please ? |
| 17:15:08 | AceNik | Slasheri: well i was thinking the rockbox_advance_directory plugin scans for a list of custom folders & lets you edit it to make a .dat file with your selection , so can the databse use this .dat file to show folders |
| 17:15:51 | AceNik | linuxstb: the website you provided a link for does it provide free music |
| 17:17:03 | linuxstb | markun: Maybe it's just because I don't listen to electronic music that I'm biased against it... I suppose that ideally we should take a range of tracks, encode them all in a few formats, and take the one which is closest to the average... |
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| 17:17:32 | linuxstb | AceNik: What website? I didn't provide any links... |
| 17:18:14 | AceNik | markun: you provided some link , rearding open surce music |
| 17:19:05 | markun | AceNik: yes, free music |
| 17:20:10 | AceNik | well is is posiible we somehow can work on a way to include our pictures & videos in the database view, & can we make custom folder selection posiible for database view |
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| 17:22:10 | Slasheri | AceNik: yes, i would like to implement directory links to the database. But i don't have much time atm |
| 17:22:46 | AceNik | Slasheri:can you tell me how t somehow ill work on it |
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| 17:23:32 | Slasheri | AceNik: just modify the tagtree.c and filetree code to support entering file view from the tag browser |
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| 17:25:44 | AceNik | i was alos of the view that the "directory cache" functions on the point where a usb connection is made & scans the whole HDD, wouldnt it be better if the user could manually exeute it when he did some major change, & if dircache could use data processed from a file on the hdd instead |
| 17:27:01 | Slasheri | no, dircache must invalidate itself after a usb connection |
| 17:27:42 | Slasheri | otherwise rockbox will crash if the cache isn't valid |
| 17:28:30 | AceNik | but cant we change the code for it or mke it smarter to ask the user if dircache should run or not, cause frankly if im usin my HDD for dat storage & browsin only music most of the time , ill be bothered to update "dircache info" only if i added any music |
| 17:29:21 | Slasheri | no, dircache must always match the disk contents because it's low level code and open() for example uses startcluster information stored in the cache |
| 17:29:54 | Slasheri | if you have iriver H120/140, you can flash rockbox so dircache is able to hibernate on disk as well |
| 17:29:58 | AceNik | is reading from cache faster than reading from a file ? |
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| 17:30:30 | AceNik | Slasheri:well the sleep mode on rockbox is a differet debate altogether |
| 17:30:32 | Slasheri | of course, cache is kept in ram |
| 17:31:10 | AceNik | Slasheri: im seeing, the filetree.c & tagtree.c , well im not much of hlp here |
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| 17:32:50 | GodEater | later all, have a good weekend |
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| 17:36:08 | AceNik | well do the ram contents need to be refreshed everytime ? |
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| 17:48:59 | kennn | can someone tell me what to use to store music on rockbox for ipod because when playlist are made in itunes the same playlists are not located in rockbox |
| 17:50:30 | markun | kennn: you can just drag-n-drop your music onto you ipod with rockbox |
| 17:51:56 | kennn | and then what about playlist do i have to make it in rockbox, bec that will take a long time, i dont make playlist by id3 tags |
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| 18:40:11 | tsygrl | is there any effort to create a flashviewer for rockbox ? |
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| 18:41:41 | Llorean | Nobody who's expressed interest in it has actually done any work on it, so far as we know. |
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| 18:42:00 | Llorean | Most of them just ask if there is one, and when told there isn't say "It'd be really great" and that's about it. |
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| 18:44:53 | bluebrother | no |
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| 19:21:24 | Chrysalid | hmm, if database auto update is on, does it update the new songs each time I start up rockbox in stand alone mode? |
| 19:21:32 | Chrysalid | (not connected to the cable) |
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| 19:44:15 | BockBilbo | i finally finished my theme |
| 19:44:16 | BockBilbo | :) |
| 19:44:29 | BockBilbo | this was the original idea: |
| 19:44:31 | BockBilbo | http://www.goikoetxeta.com/example.png |
| 19:44:38 | BockBilbo | and this is what Ive end up with: |
| 19:44:42 | BockBilbo | http://www.goikoetxeta.com/final.png |
| 19:45:06 | BockBilbo | it sucks that i couldn't use the same font as the one from the gimp |
| 19:45:06 | BockBilbo | :/ |
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| 19:55:47 | rift | BockBilbo: it's for ? |
| 19:55:57 | BockBilbo | the 5g ipods |
| 19:56:05 | rift | k |
| 19:58:22 | servo | are there any channels for archos gminis? |
| 19:59:00 | BockBilbo | rift, any suggestion? |
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| 20:01:16 | rift | put a current time in the midle of total time/ramaining |
| 20:01:19 | rift | remaining |
| 20:01:21 | linuxstb_ | servo: You could try archopen.org |
| 20:01:44 | rift | like http://dayzof.info/index/ipod/dump%20070414-235017.bmp |
| 20:01:59 | The-Compiler | Moin |
| 20:02:14 | BockBilbo | rift i had that on my initial theme, but though that it's not totally necessary |
| 20:02:30 | BockBilbo | i think that by putting it i fill the screen with too much information |
| 20:02:39 | BockBilbo | I wanted to do a simple theme |
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| 20:04:44 | rift | i have to port it to ipod nano :) |
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| 20:10:02 | BockBilbo | lol |
| 20:10:17 | BockBilbo | im uploading it to rockbox-themes |
| 20:10:24 | BockBilbo | im also going to add it to the wiki |
| 20:17:31 | BockBilbo | where do i register on the wiki in order to upload a theme? |
| 20:18:35 | BockBilbo | nevermind, found |
| 20:18:41 | desowin | register and tell your name here to someone give you edit permission |
| 20:19:02 | rift | what's your theme name ? |
| 20:21:38 | BockBilbo | ok |
| 20:21:42 | BockBilbo | im alredy registered |
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| 20:21:45 | BockBilbo | UnaiGoikoetxeta |
| 20:21:47 | BockBilbo | that's my wiki name |
| 20:21:53 | BockBilbo | rift, GkTxT |
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| 20:24:21 | BockBilbo | it's already on the rockbox-themes web |
| 20:26:49 | BockBilbo | can someone give me permissions on the wiki to edit the WPsIpod5g page? |
| 20:26:57 | BockBilbo | i need to attatch my theme there |
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| 20:28:03 | desowin | BockBilbo: is Unai real name ? |
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| 20:30:21 | Osyras | hello. I have a sansa e260 and was attempting to test rockbox and now I am left with the error "data abort at 00041744" |
| 20:30:33 | Osyras | I am unable to reset the device and it will not power off |
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| 20:30:52 | BockBilbo | yes |
| 20:31:00 | BockBilbo | desowin, that's my name |
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| 20:31:09 | Osyras | i have done a search of the forums an dnot found this |
| 20:31:20 | Osyras | has anyone seen this before? |
| 20:31:34 | Osyras | and save from taking the cover off and ripping out the battery is theer a way to recover? |
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| 20:32:09 | BockBilbo | thanks :) |
| 20:32:13 | desowin | BockBilbo: done, it's first time I see such name, no offense, just wanted to be sure |
| 20:32:24 | BockBilbo | ;) |
| 20:32:29 | BockBilbo | it's a basque name |
| 20:33:12 | BockBilbo | in the case you don't know, basque is the oldest language in europe and is spoken in the northern part of spain and southern france, in the pirinees |
| 20:33:13 | BockBilbo | ;) |
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| 20:34:09 | Good_Apollo | hi everyone..im having a little problem with rockbox |
| 20:34:23 | desowin | Good_Apollo: ask instead asking to ask |
| 20:34:26 | toffe82 | just ask :) |
| 20:34:36 | Good_Apollo | okay =] |
| 20:34:43 | bluebrother | Osyras: I assume you installed the newest bootloader and build? |
| 20:34:55 | Good_Apollo | well, whenever i am in file view, i scroll down..my ipod starts to slow down and freeze |
| 20:34:55 | Osyras | as far as I can tell |
| 20:35:09 | Sanit | are you using the latest build? |
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| 20:35:47 | Osyras | may 31st 2007 is file date of the buld |
| 20:36:37 | bluebrother | hmm. Does the sansa don't have any reset mechanism? |
| 20:36:51 | Osyras | nope |
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| 20:37:21 | BockBilbo | into which category should i add the theme? |
| 20:37:33 | BockBilbo | No Author/ Single submissions gallery? |
| 20:38:05 | Osyras | the battery is user replaceable |
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| 20:38:20 | Osyras | so i was just going to take the 4 screwes off and try reseting that way |
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| 20:45:55 | amiconn | pixelma: ping... |
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| 20:48:47 | BockBilbo | done |
| 20:48:48 | BockBilbo | :) |
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| 20:48:50 | BockBilbo | thanks! |
| 20:48:53 | BockBilbo | i gotta go now |
| 20:48:55 | BockBilbo | bye! |
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| 20:49:45 | Osyras | removed the battery and put back in, booted up, but i rmeoved the bootloader |
| 20:49:51 | Osyras | gonna try re-adding it. |
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| 20:51:13 | Good_Apollo | whenever i am in file view, i scroll down..my ipod starts to slow down and freeze. and idea what might be wrong? |
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| 20:54:05 | Good_Apollo | hmm.... |
| 20:55:37 | bluebrother | Good_Apollo: do you have dircache enabled? |
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| 20:56:53 | linuxstb_ | Good_Apollo: What do you mean by "freeze" ? Does Rockbox crash, meaning you have to reset with MENU+SELECT? |
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| 20:57:45 | Good_Apollo | freeze..it stops moving, that it slowly starts back up |
| 20:57:50 | Good_Apollo | than does it again |
| 20:57:53 | Good_Apollo | stops the scroll |
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| 20:58:17 | bluebrother | is Rockbox buffering at that time? Look for the disc icon in the statusbar. |
| 20:58:26 | Good_Apollo | yes its buffering |
| 20:59:11 | bluebrother | and do you have dircache enabled? |
| 20:59:20 | Good_Apollo | i believe i do |
| 20:59:24 | linuxstb_ | What format music are you playing (mp3, vorbis, ...) and what bitrate? |
| 20:59:46 | Good_Apollo | Mp3, around 200kb |
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| 21:00:12 | Good_Apollo | a few are in wav, and AAC |
| 21:00:46 | linuxstb_ | Do you get the same problem playing WAV? |
| 21:00:54 | Good_Apollo | nope |
| 21:00:57 | Good_Apollo | well |
| 21:01:06 | Good_Apollo | its not playing the music..its scrolling through file view |
| 21:01:08 | Good_Apollo | it plays music just fine |
| 21:01:28 | bluebrother | do you use a backdrop? And on what ipod? |
| 21:01:41 | Good_Apollo | yes i do, 30 GB video ipod |
| 21:02:01 | bluebrother | does it work better when you disable the backdrop? |
| 21:02:13 | linuxstb_ | Good_Apollo: I'm trying to see if the problem is just CPU-related - i.e. you're doing a lot of cpu intensive things at the same time? |
| 21:02:52 | Good_Apollo | it stays the same with backdrop, and ill try to free up some space and see if it goes a little faster |
| 21:05:00 | Good_Apollo | i have useless files i can clear out |
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| 21:09:52 | Dorian_ | would anyone know why my ipod is saying it only has about 3hrs of batterry at 98% ? |
| 21:11:27 | Good_Apollo | Directory cash would probably help it alot |
| 21:11:55 | Dorian_ | how would i do that? |
| 21:12:23 | markun | Dorian_: it's probably just because the remaining time calculation was not calibrated for the ipod |
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| 21:13:22 | markun | If it says 3hrs and you can play for 6 then just ignore the remaining time info |
| 21:13:40 | Dorian_ | ah, ok but i thought i should get 8-12 |
| 21:14:14 | markun | well, if you get 8-12 that's even better |
| 21:14:46 | markun | Dorian_: here are some runtimes: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime |
| 21:14:53 | Dorian_ | thanks |
| 21:15:15 | bluebrother | Dorian_: it's an estimation. You will never get an exact time value anyway |
| 21:15:42 | Dorian_ | true, but i have a 60 and getting 8-10 i'd fine |
| 21:16:02 | markun | bluebrother: I wouldn't call it an estimation if it's so far off |
| 21:16:30 | bluebrother | markun: right. But it's intended to be an estimation, so ... |
| 21:16:43 | bluebrother | on the ipods it's just a completely broken estimation ;-) |
| 21:16:49 | markun | indeed |
| 21:16:54 | Dorian_ | >.< |
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| 21:20:10 | Cassandra | Hmm. Just been playing around with my Arcam Ipod lead. |
| 21:20:37 | Cassandra | We're doing something wrong. The line out has a nasty high pitched whine on it that's not present in the Apple f/w. |
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| 21:23:36 | Dorian_ | well one thing i found out that the battery setting was at 400mAh instead of 600 |
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| 21:23:51 | Dorian_ | but no change |
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| 21:27:31 | markun | Dorian_: don't worry about it, it doesn't influence the actual runtime |
| 21:27:39 | Dorian_ | blah |
| 21:27:41 | Dorian_ | thanks |
| 21:27:56 | Dorian_ | what's disk spindown? |
| 21:27:58 | markun | just keep an eye on the battery percentage if you want to know how much there is left |
| 21:28:21 | markun | the hard disk consumes less power with the disk not spinning |
| 21:28:51 | markun | but if rockbox needs to read from the disk and it's not spinning it will take a little while to get it to spin again |
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| 21:29:45 | markun | does that answer your question more or less? |
| 21:30:36 | Dorian_ | so that little while is the time you select? |
| 21:31:41 | markun | the time you select is how long it should wait until it stops spinning |
| 21:32:23 | markun | if you have dircache off and you browser through your files a lot, it's very anoying if you set this time too short |
| 21:32:39 | Dorian_ | ok |
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| 21:32:52 | Dorian_ | thanks |
| 21:33:11 | markun | I have dircache on and the spin down value low |
| 21:33:17 | pixelma | Cassandra: maybe that's what a bag of shit sounds like ;) |
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| 21:36:17 | petur | bag of pitch? |
| 21:37:09 | Dorian_ | petur! ah, you reminded me how i should let everyone know of my patch and get them to comment on it |
| 21:37:33 | petur | aka nagging ;) |
| 21:37:40 | * | pixelma wonders whether petur now gets triggered on "bag" or ... |
| 21:37:42 | Dorian_ | lol... yes |
| 21:38:11 | * | petur checks his highlight config |
| 21:38:16 | Dorian_ | everyone should check out task #7111 and be in awe |
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| 21:55:06 | mpeccorini | bluebrother: are you around? |
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| 22:06:15 | BRi7X | Is the person who recommended I get the Gigabeat F around at all? |
| 22:06:34 | linuxstb_ | I think that will depend on your next question... |
| 22:09:16 | BRi7X | Well...heh. I'm not having a very shpadoinkle day today, and my ever so epic clumsiness has gotten the best of me... in short, the Gigabeat F fell out of its case and smacked into the ground flat on its back (or front?)... Hard disk a clappin'. I was researching getting a new HD for it, but I noticed the HD alone was actually almost as much as a new player, so I'm thinking of getting a new player... But should I go with the Gigabeat agai |
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| 22:10:02 | linuxstb_ | What size disk was it? |
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| 22:10:44 | BRi7X | 40GB |
| 22:11:49 | linuxstb_ | I'm not sure if many hard-disk DAPs would survive a drop like that. Were you happy with the giabeat before that? |
| 22:12:29 | BRi7X | yeah |
| 22:12:52 | BRi7X | but, it only lasted about 20 days... |
| 22:12:53 | linuxstb_ | Does the gigabeat still turn on OK? |
| 22:13:16 | linuxstb_ | I'm not sure you can blame the gigabeat for that though... |
| 22:13:19 | BRi7X | turns on, but the load bar gets this far: [##−−−−−−−−] |
| 22:13:36 | BRi7X | oh no, it's my clumsy fault... actually no, i don't blame me fully... it's partly the design of the case |
| 22:14:03 | BRi7X | but i am known to be quite clumsy, i guess that's just another drawback of asperger's syndrome |
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| 22:15:21 | BRi7X | for christmas's sake, my diepod lasted longer than that... and it still at least turns on.. if the HDs were just a little bit more similar, i could do a swap, but alas... the problem with my diepod is the headphone connector , only comes out of one year.. i'm again resorting to using my nintendo ds as a music player until i settle this |
| 22:16:00 | linuxstb_ | Maybe you should get a flash-based player - they're much more rugged. |
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| 22:16:55 | BRi7X | well the issue there is capacity of course... meh. |
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| 22:17:23 | BRi7X | i think i may give the gigabeat another go actually, it's pretty cheap compared to others... and i had an idea to rubber band the gigabeat into the case to better secure it |
| 22:17:41 | markun | BRi7X: there are also some silicon cases from zCover |
| 22:19:01 | BRi7X | for the f40? |
| 22:19:13 | markun | yes |
| 22:19:39 | BRi7X | how's the progress on the S coming? near-usable? soon, not soon? i couldn't really tell from the S info page |
| 22:19:50 | markun | BRi7X: http://www.zcover.com/zCover_index_Gigabeat.htm |
| 22:20:29 | markun | There is a way to run code on the Gigabeat S and all the datasheets are available |
| 22:20:45 | markun | but no rockbox port has been started yet |
| 22:20:51 | petur | markun: what connector did the gigabeat harddisk have? zif as well? |
| 22:21:03 | BRi7X | ah |
| 22:21:14 | markun | petur: the S has a ZIF connector, the F doesn't |
| 22:21:33 | petur | so the F has a normal 50pins ide? |
| 22:21:36 | markun | yes |
| 22:21:37 | BRi7X | so at this point, it's "pwnable" but not "pwned" yet in other words, like the ipod80gb? |
| 22:21:38 | linuxstb_ | petur: I bought the same 80GB drive for my gigabeat as you bought. |
| 22:22:02 | markun | BRi7X: yes, a bit like that, but there will be a lot more work involved |
| 22:22:17 | * | petur has a spare 40GB hdd lying around and looks at BRi7X's broken player |
| 22:22:23 | BRi7X | ooh? |
| 22:22:31 | markun | but you never know, if someone has some free time and skill a port could go pretty fast |
| 22:23:04 | linuxstb_ | markun: Are the people hacking the S interested in porting Rockbox, or something else? |
| 22:23:06 | BRi7X | an... MK4006GAH? |
| 22:23:11 | markun | or BRi7X could sell his Gigabeat to petur :) |
| 22:23:29 | * | petur was thinking the latter ;) |
| 22:23:55 | BRi7X | so, you want the gigabeat, and i'll just buy another one? |
| 22:24:10 | linuxstb_ | BRi7X: Which part of the world are you in? |
| 22:24:30 | markun | linuxstb_: I think ptw419 wants a rockbox port but I don't know about zunepet |
| 22:24:35 | petur | the disk is an MK4004GAH in fact |
| 22:24:51 | petur | BRi7X: where do you live? |
| 22:25:10 | BRi7X | pa, usa |
| 22:25:36 | toffe82 | linuxstb markun |
| 22:25:48 | toffe82 | zunepet is more interested on the zune |
| 22:26:22 | markun | but he did quite a lot of work for the Gigabeat S while he already knew it didn't apply to the Zune |
| 22:26:49 | toffe82 | yes |
| 22:27:13 | markun | toffe82: interested in buying a broken Gigabeat F40 btw? :) |
| 22:27:19 | toffe82 | :) |
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| 22:28:48 | BRi7X | petur: you wanted to buy the gigabeat f from me? or sell me the hard drive? which? |
| 22:28:50 | toffe82 | not now, I am actually looking for a broken S60 (broken lcd) which finish tonight on ebay and only 1 bid for the moment at 1$ ;) |
| 22:29:25 | markun | do you have any Gigabeat S with a working screen? |
| 22:29:56 | toffe82 | yes 2 S30 , so if I can get this one, I can make a s60 working |
| 22:30:01 | markun | toffe82: http://dapreview.net/comment.php?comment.news.3971 |
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| 22:30:36 | BRi7X | so i should buy a new one for sures? |
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| 22:32:22 | toffe82 | markun: it is more a pmp than a dap, it is a little big to put in your pocket |
| 22:32:29 | petur | BRi7X: depends on how much you're asking and if the hdd is the only thing broken |
| 22:33:10 | BRi7X | petur: pretty much name a price and i'll do it |
| 22:33:31 | toffe82 | markun: I don't know why they don't use the lcd from their E800 pda to make a dap (4 inch VGA touch screen would be nice) |
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| 22:48:12 | kristnjov | hey guys |
| 22:51:16 | Bagder | 'ello |
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| 22:51:26 | kristnjov | how are things today? |
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| 22:52:30 | Bagder | things are on the slow side today |
| 22:52:43 | kristnjov | sweet |
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| 23:34:07 | nls | amiconn: I posted the reworked mp3entry struct changes here if you're interested http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7251 |
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| 23:40:58 | linuxstb_ | nls: struct mp3entry is also part of the plugin API... |
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| 23:41:19 | nls | linuxstb_ ah crap, :-) |
| 23:44:24 | linuxstb_ | How did you determine the best way to arrange the structs? |
| 23:45:24 | nls | linuxstb_ well I tried to take mpeccorini's comments about arrangement into mind but also a lot of trial & error... |
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| 23:46:28 | linuxstb_ | OK. So there's nothing more you could add to the comments about it? |
| 23:47:58 | nls | linuxstb_: hmm, not really, the bigges change was grouping the chars and bools together in mp3entry. |
| 23:48:17 | * | petur wonders how the patch will do on 64bit sims |
| 23:48:44 | markun | can't we tell GCC to choose the best order for some structs? |
| 23:49:25 | nls | petur: no more broken than before that I can tell, still can play oggs etc. |
| 23:49:35 | nls | markun: I dunno, can you? |
| 23:50:54 | * | markun is googling for "gcc struct packing" |
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| 23:53:18 | * | mpeccorini thinks you can't |
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| 23:58:00 | markun | mpeccorini: I think you are right |
| 23:58:24 | mpeccorini | sad to hear that, it would be a nice feature for the compiler |
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