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#rockbox log for 2007-06-01

00:03:01saratogawhere do DEBUG messages print in the uisim?
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00:05:39Nico_Psaratoga: in the terminal
00:05:51saratogaalright thanks
00:09:44saratogaNico_P: do you know anything about how codecs are called?
00:10:13saratogai'm trying to figure out where loading a codec fails
00:10:44Nico_Pthey are loaded to the main buffer when a track required them
00:11:00amiconnn1s: Padding the struct to simplify indexed addressing will reduce code size - but at the cost of increased ram usage. I don't think this would be desirable
00:11:13Nico_Psaratoga: you get "codec failure" ?
00:11:20saratogai see that "wma.codec" gets loaded, but it skips to the next track immediately, and I do not get the debug message from codec_main
00:11:54amiconnI wonder why gcc goes through hoops just tu avoid mulu :/ It doesn't cost much on coldfire. Compared to numerous shifts and adds it should be faster *and* smaller :/
00:12:07*amiconn hopes for the m68k improvements in gcc 4.3 ...
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00:12:30*amiconn think he shouldn't expect too much from gcc, this will only be disappointing :\
00:13:05XavierGrbeeing a pessimist is often regarding :)
00:13:40saratogai'm not sure what code actually tried to load the wma.codec file, so i don't have anything else to trace otu
00:13:50Nico_Pamiconn: what's "mulu" ?
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00:14:07saratogaunsigned multiply?
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00:14:30Nico_Psaratoga: you probably want to look around plaback.c:1965
00:14:46XavierGrsaratoga: you have a wma codec ready for playback? (I am surprised)
00:15:16saratogaXavierGr: not really
00:15:27saratogajust the old one from last year, and some ideas how to fix it
00:16:09saratogawas hoping to get it to the point where I could run codec_test with it so i can guage my progress as I swap out parts of it
00:16:49XavierGrI didn't know the old one from last year could run...
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00:17:04saratogait runs on my PC
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00:17:26saratogathough theres some bug I can't quite seem to find in how it unpacks some of the huffman coded data (i think)
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00:19:45Nico_Psaratoga: do you know if the codec gets loaded to the ram properly ?
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00:22:55saratogaNico_P: no idea
00:23:00saratogai'm not even sure how i'd check that
00:23:10saratogathis is my first day looking at the rockbox source
00:25:11Nico_Pcodecs.c is the place to look I think
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00:26:12Nico_Pyou can try adding debug messages to codec_load_file() and codec_load_ram() to see whether they succeed
00:26:20Nico_Por you can try gdb too
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00:28:36linuxstbsaratoga: Have you made many changes to wma.c ?
00:32:27saratogalinuxstb: no only a few
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00:33:21linuxstbThe version I'm looking at (the last patch on flyspray) doesn't do anything - all the wma functions are commented out. I assume you've put those back?
00:33:23saratogamostly just fixed some warnings
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00:34:24saratogalinuxstb: no I haven't
00:34:33saratogai suppose he did that when he wrote that plugin
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00:34:49saratogawill try again
00:36:04saratogaoh wow, yeah hes commented out "wma_decode_data"
00:36:14saratogathats certainly going to hinder data decoding and such
00:36:20saratoganot sure how i missed that
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00:36:37linuxstbAnd unless I'm missing something, there's no ASF parsing, and it's calling wma functions which don't exist...
00:37:41linuxstbe.g. wma_syncinfo() and wma_dynrng...
00:38:02saratogaasf parersing should be handled by the ci->request_buffer call
00:38:19linuxstbIn fact, it's just a copy of a52.c with a52 replaced by wma - not a wma codec at all...
00:38:21saratogathe buffer fills itself by calling the asf_decode_frame function or whatever its called
00:38:58linuxstbWhat gives you that idea? ci->request_buffer() just gives you the next X bytes of data from the input buffer.
00:39:15linuxstbThere's no container parsing.
00:39:38saratogayou're right
00:39:48saratogai thought that was the codecconext struct
00:40:47linuxstbJust delete wma.c....
00:41:44saratogai wonder what he was trying to do with that file then
00:42:15linuxstbI guess it was just the extremely early stages of a codec. i.e. he took a52.c, spent a few minutes renaming some things, then left it.
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00:43:41saratogai don't even think he looked at it
00:43:47saratogajust did a find and replace
00:43:54saratogaeven the comments have a52 changed to wma
00:44:15linuxstbI thought it looked familiar - it's even got my (C) at the top...
00:45:09linuxstbFrom what I saw of the plugin, it was a long way from being ready to be a codec anyway.
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00:45:51saratogalinuxstb: I've already got code to init the asf parser and then decoder
00:45:59saratogado i put that in a function called codec_main?
00:46:09saratogabasically, what does rockbox actually need in wma.c?
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00:47:21linuxstbIt needs to call ci->request_buffer() to get a block of data (you can request up to 32KB at a time), decode it, then pass the PCM data back to Rockbox.
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00:47:49linuxstbBasically what wma.c is trying to do...
00:48:22linuxstbAfter you've processed some of the data (normally one audio frame), you call ci->advance_buffer() with the number of bytes you've consumed. You then continue looping.
00:49:12linuxstbI'm assuming the current implementation is based around reading data from a file ?
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00:51:23linuxstbBTW, I'm not sure why you want to use test_codec to benchmark - you could just do the same in your plugin.
00:51:33linuxstb(assuming the plugin is working)
00:52:15saratogaI haven't actually looked at the plugin
00:52:34saratogait didn't compile, so I figured it would make sense to use test_codec
00:52:42linuxstbI think all the work was done with the plugin - i.e. there isn't a codec to test.
00:53:12saratogaok, then i'll look into syncing it
00:53:48linuxstbIf I was you, I would just continue with the plugin, and then slowly change it to become more codec-like (i.e. making the codec process data from a memory buffer, rather than accessing the file directly)
00:53:50n1samiconn: I managed to even reduce codesize for coldfire a little and a bit more for sh by rearranging the mp3entry struct and the track_info struct in which mp3entry is a member (the track_info struct was the main cause of size increase because of a more complicated access, as I am sure you saw Lear posted in here a couple of hours ago, I think I will post a patch with the changes tomorrow.
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01:34:59mpeccoriniguys: what flags do I have to set to api->open so the file is appended if it exists and created if it doesn't?
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01:39:27linuxstb_I think O_CREAT|O_WRONLY|O_APPEND
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01:40:00mpeccorinihmmm, I thought O_CREAT and O_APPEND where mutually exclusive, but that probably makes sense. I'll try that way. thanks
01:40:20linuxstb_You can always check the source to "open" - see open_internal() in firmware/common/file.c
01:41:51mpeccoriniyou were right, that's the combination
01:42:00mpeccorinilinuxstb: thanks again
01:42:16linuxstb_You're welcome
01:42:41mpeccoriniI'm just about to have the PGN writer ready
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03:14:55IriverguyHi, I cannot pick a font that I want. How do I do that?
03:15:47Noah0504Iriverguy: I'm not sure, but does the WPS config have to be altered?
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03:17:15IriverguyI dont know. I reecently lost my H10 5gb and am strugling to get rockbox configured for my new H10 20gb.
03:17:50Noah0504Hmm, well, I'm not really sure. Perhaps the Rockbox forums can offer some more help?
03:18:24toffe82Iriverguy: just go in the settings and choose the font you want in the list
03:18:30IriverguyI used to be able to just select a font by selecting it, but all my fonts are not there
03:18:51toffe82reinstall the fonts
03:18:55JustinAikenhello everyone
03:19:06IriverguyWhere do i put the files. there is no directory for fonts
03:19:31JustinAikenquick question... do you have to format the 80GB ipod before installing rockbox, and which build/bootloader do i need?
03:19:36IriverguyHello JustinAiken
03:19:40toffe82use rbutils so you don't have any problem to do it
03:21:28IriverguyThanks alot. You guys rock!!!
03:21:46scorchetoffe82: received
03:21:53toffe82Iriverguy: or extraxct the file to the root of your player
03:22:32toffe82scorche: ;)
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03:22:38JustinAikenquick question... do you have to format the 80GB ipod before installing rockbox, and which build/bootloader do i need?
03:24:01Noah0504JustinAiken: I don't think Rockbox works with the 80GB model yet.
03:24:14Noah0504The 5.5g iPod aren't supported yet.
03:24:19Noah0504You may look though.
03:24:40JustinAikenon the main page under news it says it's supported as of 5-23...
03:24:49XbooXit works on the 5.5G 80GB iPod
03:24:54JustinAikenbut then in the current builds there's just the regular 64MB version
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03:26:00scorcheNoah0504: it does
03:26:19scorcheJustinAiken: you only need to format if it is formatted HFS+
03:26:32Noah0504Ahh, okay. I just remember seeing that the 5.5g models weren't supported yet, but that was a little bit ago.
03:27:08JustinAiken<schoche> how do i check if it's HFS+ ?
03:27:14XbooXJustinAiken: if you use , i cant remember where i got it. it works really well on the 80GB iPods
03:27:34scorcheJustinAiken: you currently use itunes, correct?
03:28:12scorchedo you have a mac or a windows computer?
03:28:23scorchethen you dont need to format
03:28:38JustinAikenso i just find, and use the regular bootloader?
03:28:55scorcheuse a curent build
03:29:03scorchenot evilg's
03:31:22XbooXJustinAiken im looking for a link
03:31:45JustinAikenwill i use this loader? ->
03:34:13scorchejust follow the instructions in the manual
03:35:18JustinAikenokay, just wanted to make sure, because the manual is from may 19th, before the 80GB was supported
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03:35:44XbooXJustinAiken: should say ipodpatcher v1.0 with v1.1 bootloaders at the top when you run the file
03:35:57scorchethen get a newer manual
03:37:47XbooXJustinAiken: you can find that archive here
03:38:38JustinAikenwhich works better? EvilG's 5/25 build or the official 0529 build?
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03:40:43XbooXhave not tried the official 0529 build
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03:40:52XbooXthe evilg one works great
03:40:54scorcheJustinAiken: those builds have other patches included and are unsupported by us
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03:45:23JustinAikenwoohoo! it's working
03:45:38JustinAikenthanks guys... i've been waiting for rockbox since i bought the 80GB the day it came out...
03:46:38XbooXscorche: do i need to recompile Rockbox to use a patch, or just overwrite/add files?
03:46:47XbooXsame here JustinAiken lol
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04:30:18XbooXEvilG's 80GB Release is much better in my opinion
04:30:47XbooXthe scroll is still not too great in the latest official release
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04:45:28scorchehe quit a while back....
04:45:58kkurbjunis anyone around who can explain how rolo works for the ipods? Is it just that the rolo_restart instruction is placed in IRAM?
04:47:16kkurbjunor the coldfire irivers for that matter
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08:49:00SliMMisn't audio output sent to the dock connector?
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09:28:57pondlifeHmm, I can't logout of Flyspray - it keeps me logged in after I click on Logout...
09:29:34GodEaterdelete your cookie ?
09:29:54pondlifeGuess so...
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09:30:21pondlifeI'd have thought that an explicit logout should overwrite or delete it anyway.
09:31:23GodEaterwell ideally yes :)
09:31:40GodEaterI wasn't offering it as a long term solution, just till Zagor can mend it
09:32:07ZagorI take it this is a new phenomenon?
09:32:35pondlifeNo idea
09:32:45GodEaterwell logging out works for me - maybe it's local to your machine pondlife
09:32:46pondlifeI just wanted to see how Flyspray appeared to a new user.
09:33:21pondlifeHmm, I'm running very standard stuff... well, Windows 2000 and IE6.. for my sins.
09:33:31GodEaterwash your mouth out
09:33:38*pondlife gargles
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09:34:02GodEaterGNU/Linux/Firefox here
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09:45:05servoi've got an old gmini 220 that i'm looking to upgrade firmware, just wondering if that is an option?
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09:45:47B4gderservo: rockbox doesn't run on that player. Room for you to step forward and make it! ;-)
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10:01:35cropIs it possible to NOT to accelerate when scrolling in lists? In the settings, I can't find the 'off' option.
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10:06:02GodEaterList Acceleration Start Display -> off ?
10:06:14GodEateryou get the idea
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10:12:36KiouiHey guys, it works just nearly perfect for iPod 80gb
10:13:40KiouiJust to know, is there someone here workinj on the iPod wheel driver?
10:14:58B4gdernot that i know of
10:15:21KiouiBecause I noticed some strange things when playing with it
10:15:53LinusNKioui: the scroll acceleration is a little...weird...
10:16:09KiouiAnd I would lio also to suggest a little click sound when an action is done
10:16:23LinusNwould be nice
10:16:58teksturiwhen this woderful Rockbox come version for Archos 140 or come it never?
10:17:10KiouiI know that there is a PC-Speaker into the unit (the OF uses it and also the Loader 2 bootloader)
10:17:55Kiouiteksturi: Maybo you will find the answer into the new ports forum (
10:21:10GodEaterKioui: I think you mean the piezo-unit that the OF uses to produce the clicks. It's not a pc speaker as such.
10:22:00B4gderteksturi: it comes to that player whenever owners of that player port rockbox to it
10:22:10cropGodEater: ah yesss! I remember that I've seen 'off' somewhere but looked at the wrong place the last time. Thanks!
10:24:34teksturiB4gder: so if i send my player and await half year or something like this then it work??
10:25:17B4gderteksturi: no, you can send a player, cross your fingers, beg the devs, send beer, send praise and help out from your end. Then it might might might work after a good while.
10:25:48B4gderwe are all spare time developers here
10:25:53B4gdertime is what lacks
10:25:57B4gderand often docs
10:26:19B4gderI mean, spare time hacking in the rockbox project, many of us are full-time developers
10:26:20KiouiGodEater: Yes I mean this thing that plays "clicks"
10:27:36KiouiBut we already have such beeps support (soft-emulated ) when we activate "volume beeps" in reading preferences
10:29:36teksturiOk i understood. What is andress where i send beer :D :D
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10:37:35B4gderteksturi: the same address to where you send the player I guess, so you first need to find a dev interested in receiving and working on a brand new port
10:38:04B4gderdon't count on a team of people running for the opportunity
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10:43:04Zagorteksturi: are you talking about the ancient AV140, or something else?
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10:46:39B4gderbtw the podcast at episode 48 mentions Rockbox a tad bit
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10:53:59GodEaterB4gder: do you listen to these guys much ?
10:54:18B4gderno, I just downloaded that the other day to "try them out"
10:55:06B4gderI want really techy linux/open source podcasts, but there aren't that many good around
10:55:30GodEaterthis isn't what I call "good" :)
10:55:48B4gderthey lack the "tech" part I'd say
10:56:04B4gderI mean, they talk a lot but without knowledge about what's really going on
10:56:14GodEaternot much better than that thing. Two "techies" chatting who actually don't appear to possess a clue between them.
10:56:32B4gderyes, it seems most podcasts are like that
10:56:41B4gdergather a few people who like to talk
10:56:56B4gderfloss weekly is nice
10:56:58markunB4gder: do you know chaosradio?
10:57:04B4gderbut far from "weekly"...
10:57:24markunmostly german
10:57:41markunthe Chaosradio Express casts are quite nice
10:57:42GodEaterI'm currently in the odd posistion of typing input into cgi:irc, and only seeing the output in the rockbox log. Nothing being echoed back in the irc client =/
10:57:46B4gdermy german is... lacking
10:58:07markunThey also have some English podcasts:
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10:59:10B4gderI'll try it out!
11:00:08markunthe normal 3 hour chaosradio podcasts are less interesting than the 'express' ones
11:00:15GodEaterha, access denied here =/
11:00:42markunB4gder: btw, I found out about them when I was googling for rockbox:
11:00:54markununfortunately we were not mentioned in that episode
11:01:32KiouiDoes anyone noticed a bug with the "Lock" on the iPod
11:02:05GodEaterKioui: nope - what have you noticed ?
11:02:17Kiouiby Lock I mean the little lock switch : when I put it to "ON" the ipod keys are locked but when i put it back to unlocked state: no chance to unlock
11:02:39GodEatersome people have reported this issue - it's not happened to me however =/
11:03:05KiouiWhat is ttrange, is that the scren comes back up when not locked, but noway to enter into the menu, change volume or so
11:03:29KiouiI got it with a 80gb ipod
11:03:38GodEaterI also own an 80GB. No such issue here.
11:04:02KiouiHum strange..
11:04:17KiouiMaybe there is a "time condition"
11:04:19markunTalk about rockbox and GPLv3:
11:04:26KiouiWhat i did is :
11:04:31GodEateryou're running a current build Kioui ?
11:04:38Kioui1) Start a directory playback.
11:04:56Kiouia daily build from yesterday
11:05:04Kioui2) Immediately locked the keyboard.
11:05:21Kioui3) several tracks after, tried to unlock and the problem appeared
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11:05:47GodEaterKioui: install the current build, and see if you still get the issue
11:06:39KiouiDaily builds are older than current ones?
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11:07:12GodEaterthe current one is "current", the daily build is only built once a day
11:07:38KiouiGodEater: Unfortunately I dont have my iPod cable here: I'll install it this evening
11:07:57Kiouimeaning in 8 hours
11:09:28*GodEater 's iPod cable goes wherever his iPod does :)
11:11:30markunDon't know if it was mentioned here, but Last.FM was bought by CBS:
11:12:35*Kioui ipod's cable will do the same thing very soon :D
11:19:12*petur has an iriver with standard usb plugs and has standard usb cables everywhere :p
11:19:16GodEatermarkun: what the heck is "tivoisation" ?
11:19:42*GodEater also owns several players which use standard usb cables. Those cables also travel everywhere with him.
11:19:56GodEaterI should have looked there first =/
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11:21:09B4gderie trying to prevent users of linux-runing devices to be able to modify the software
11:21:19markunGodEater: btw, I noticed the original article was already linked from our ArticlesAboutRockbox
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11:23:14B4gderah gplv3 draft 4 is out
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11:32:24*Kioui is trying to reproduce the iPod-lock-bug even if he doesn't use a current build yet
11:32:33*GodEater notes something useful from B4gder's recommended podcast regarding linuxmce
11:33:10KiouiGodEater: linuxmce? like media center ?
11:33:38GodEaterunfortunately it sounds like it sucks
11:34:09Kiouitoo bad: It would be great to have a real dedicated linux MCE box
11:34:54*GodEater will wait until XBMC is ported to linux
11:34:56B4gderKioui: you can still have that
11:39:17KiouiB4gder: Maybe, I didn't really looked at this
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11:57:00KiouiiPod lock-bug: It seems that the lock as nothing to do with this
11:57:34KiouiIf you stay morethan 5 min without touching your ipod, it seems to lock the keyboard
11:57:55KiouiIs jhere such a functionality in Rockbox ?
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12:08:01bluebrotherKioui: none that I know of.
12:09:15markunKioui: and no way to unlock it?
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12:17:02*petur wonders if would make an easy target
12:18:38petura bit short on details, that page :/
12:19:25pondlifeHmm, the browser/list code seems a bit screwy at the moment :/
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12:21:03GodEaterlooks pretty cool :)
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12:21:06pondlifePressing SELECT to go from WPS to the file browser selects the track AFTER the one being played, and there's a lot of blank space displayed where tracks should be..
12:21:35pondlifee.g. if I'm playing track 17, and that's the last track, I get tracks 14-17 displayed, with a lot of blank space after.
12:24:03jhMikeSpondlife: There all sorts of weidness now on e200 with odd list skipping and the scrollwheel not working after exiting some plugins/screens.
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12:25:47linuxstbjhMikeS: Did you implement the repeat events for the Sansa's wheel?
12:25:54jhMikeSlinuxstb: yes
12:26:22linuxstbjhMikeS: How do they work? My understanding is that the wheel is physical, so there's no concept of touching and releasing it.
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12:26:42jhMikeSlinuxstb: simply by velocity
12:27:34linuxstbSo if "current click" happens less than X ticks after "previous click", it's a repeat?
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12:28:13jhMikeSyes, but not if the wheel reverses direction
12:28:27Kiouimarkun: ipodlock-bug: none, only cold-reboot.
12:28:46linuxstbjhMikeS: Is that time constant?
12:29:27jhMikeS30 tick...same repeat as the repeat interval for keys. I spent awhile tweaking all the number to make it me at least :)
12:29:54linuxstbI'm curious because of the bug report that the list acceleration kicks in on the Sansa even when scrolling very slowly. I would have thought that if the user was scrolling slowly, then they wouldn't be repeat events.
12:30:44jhMikeSI never witnessed it until recently
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12:31:03linuxstbYes, it's related to jdgordon's recent list acceleration commit.
12:31:35jhMikeSrepeat events on the sansa shouldn't be taken too seriously I think
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12:32:22pondlifejhMikeS: Looks like I'm seeing two different problems... one is a Follow Playlist oddity:
12:32:35pondlifeThe other is something to do with general list positioning.
12:32:41jhMikeSthey're good for stopping list wrap but that's about it
12:33:01pondlifeI can happily repro the Follow Playlist problem on my H340, but not at all on the sim :(
12:37:43jhMikeSI can't do it on the e200 (which is what's convenient to test atm). :\
12:38:09pondlifeProbably requires a WPS with next track info too.
12:39:18jhMikeSI'm using iCatcher...can't do it.
12:39:43pondlifeI reset settings and now the problem has gone away.
12:40:34jhMikeSnow...which setting really starts that? :)
12:40:51pondlifeNot the WPS or font ...
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12:42:43pondlifeOK, if I reset settings and just enable Follow Playlist, it misbehaves.
12:42:57pondlifeNo need for next track info on WPS at all.
12:43:28jhMikeSI'm way off the stock settings...un momentito
12:44:07jhMikeSJust got a dead scrollwheel though, until I pushed another button...:
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12:47:21jhMikeSnope, not getting it here on e200
12:48:12jhMikeSodd, when I reverted settings, the WPS wasn't reset to default either
12:49:22pondlifeI used the H300 rec-button-on-startup to clear. Not the menu option.
12:49:35pondlifeI can repro a segfault on the sim though!!
12:49:38jhMikeSok...I'll check that
12:50:01pondlifeProbably not related, just one of those days when it keeps collapsing :)
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12:50:32pondlifeNot much of a stack left... (gdb) bt #0 0x00401334 in get_action_worker (context=???, timeout=???, get_context_map=???) at action.c:110
12:51:53jhMikeSI've had stkov's lately in the FM debug screen when holding keys
12:52:46pondlifeWell this is easy to repro... having music playing, press SELECT to go back to file browser then press STOP...
12:54:04pondlifeDoes it from totally cleared settings too.
12:54:17jhMikeSI don't see it on target yet
12:54:26pondlifeNope, this one is sim only
12:54:46pondlifeSo I now have one sim-only and one target-only bug today. Plus one that occurs on both!
12:54:59pondlifeBetter get 'spraying
12:56:34*jhMikeS notices this accel bug is when repeats _aren't_ being flagged and continuing to move in one direction slowly keeps skipping more and more items
12:57:48jhMikeSthe slower I move the worse it is...hrm
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13:44:06croppondlife: here?
13:46:52croppondlife: I've also experienced the bug with the wrong cursor position when going from WPS to the file browser (with follow playlist enabled). But that was not always reproducable. I have H120.
13:48:24croppondlife: it seemed to me first that this occurs when you're at the very start of a song, i.e. while it's still buffering. But then it worked also at this point. So I gave up.
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14:05:21pondlifecrop: I thnk that's the pattern I'm seeing too. Seems to misbehave during buffering..
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14:16:06croppondlife: hmm. iirc, the follow playlist feature relies on the fact that some global (or static) var has the right value between two func calls. And if there's much buffering in between (and hence much thread swapping) then it could break.
14:19:18cropIt was somewhere in root_menu.c I think
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14:20:55cropYes, here: This is what I mean
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15:05:01GodEaterlinuxstb: did you give any more consideration to the FAT32 formatting feature being included in ipodpatcher ?
15:06:24linuxstbIt's somewhere on my to-do list.
15:07:20GodEaterdid amiconn say whether he'd tried to replicate the issue users have reported with mkdosfs ?
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15:08:42linuxstbI don't know
15:09:22linuxstbDo you know if it's just Rockbox that complains about these filesystems?
15:09:43GodEaterfrom what I could gather, rockbox is the one which complains *most*
15:09:47GodEaterin that it doesn't work at all
15:09:59GodEaterallegedly the Apple OS can still read it
15:10:10GodEateralthough one user said "it cant' write to it anymore"
15:10:20GodEaterI'm not sure how he/she arrived at this conclusion though
15:10:34GodEateras the only writing I'm aware the apple os does is back to the iTunesDB on things like play counts
15:11:02GodEaterall computer based OSes managed to mount it ok and write to it I think
15:11:21linuxstbGodEater: Recording?
15:11:46GodEaterah yes, I forget you can do that on iPods too
15:11:47linuxstbAlso, the USB camera connector lets you transfer photos.
15:11:58GodEaterwell - they didn't mention how they arrived at that conclusion
15:12:02GodEaterso your guess is as good as mine
15:13:15linuxstbYou can also create on-the-fly playlists...
15:13:25GodEaterreally ?
15:13:32GodEaterwow - never knew that
15:14:12*amiconn doesn't have trust in linux' usb capabilities anymore
15:14:29linuxstbFrom my brief experience, the Apple firmware is decent, as long as you're happy with only using a database and (on most ipods) no gapless.
15:15:07*GodEater just booted into apple os to see
15:15:16GodEaterit's only one on-the-go playlist
15:15:21GodEaterand that *could* just get held in memory
15:15:27B4gderamiconn: so fix it :-)
15:15:50linuxstbGodEater: It's been a long time, but I'm pretty sure you can create many. I don't have any itunes databases to check though.
15:16:11GodEaterif that's the case I have no idea how you do it =/
15:16:29amiconnB4gder: If I knew how... at least my linux box is silently producing data errors via usb without the kernel noticing... :(
15:17:08GodEaterI noticed my PS3 producing "over charge" errors on it's USB ports last night. The kernel noticed them just fine.
15:17:23B4gderI'll admit USB in the linux kernel is... complicated
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15:18:23*B4gder recently ported linux to a MIPS cpu with a usb circuit over PCI blablabla... that was a lot of fun and poking around...
15:18:44amiconnI noticed when first trying flac files (encoded on linux). First I thought rockbox had a problem with gapless... then I noticed the files ending prematurely
15:19:22amiconnThen I did a binary compare of the file on my H300 with the file on the linux box.... at a certain point, they started to be totally different
15:19:32linuxstbHave you asked google?
15:19:42amiconn...exactly the point where rockbox decided to skip to the next file
15:20:40amiconnThen I copied everything to my windows laptop (using samba), and put it on the H180 from there with no single data error
15:21:05peturI think I just saw a strange list behaviour: in a long dirlist, move to one of the last dirs, use the context menu to add the dir to the playlist. When it returns to the dir view, the selection is quite high on the display with the rest below just whitespace...
15:21:11CassandraB4gder, does it run Zune Linux, though?
15:22:20amiconnThereseems to be a problem in the linux ISD200 driver as well (that one *is* noticed by the kernel)
15:23:09B4gderCassandra: yes it does, but then the guy who had all the code took off to a looong trip abroad...
15:23:34CassandraDamn him!
15:23:46GodEaterB4gder: probably to buy a hollow volcano from which to take over the world ?
15:23:47petur... and all he left behind was a bag of shit?
15:23:50CassandraNow we'll never be able to port Zune Linux to Rockbox.
15:24:05B4gderyeah, we seem to be cursed!
15:24:29GodEaterI think we may be in luck, I have a copy of Zune Linux running on my watch
15:24:35GodEaterwe could reverse engineer it from that
15:26:39CassandraAwww. They have a release plan. Bless!
15:27:02*linuxstb just saw that page... ;)
15:27:24GodEaterthey forgot the final step : 'fess up that this is all bullcrap.
15:27:40B4gder"somewhat adequate"
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15:28:49*petur rolls over the floor.... what a way to start the weekend
15:29:12petur"Planning> This is the current state of the Zune Linux Project."
15:29:47CassandraWow. There's a forum user called "koolmanlol". I wonder if that handle is taken on the Rockbox forums. It's so awesome. How come I didn't think of it?
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15:30:45linuxstb"If you want to work with mobile devices and linux. Learn C#.." -
15:31:19amiconnThis roadmap is more adequate imho:
15:32:43peturthis remark is nice too: -> laughing at a MS guy because they think he doesn't know what he's talking about
15:33:21linuxstbAre Zunes even available outside the US yet?
15:33:40B4gderI don't think so
15:33:52linuxstbGoogle tells me 2008...
15:33:58linuxstb(for Europe)
15:34:15Zagorthey'll really be state-of-the-art by then...
15:34:52B4gderzune linux will be kicking ass by then!
15:34:55linuxstbJust as Apple move away from DRM, MS implement yet another DRM scheme...
15:35:00*B4gder giggles loudly
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15:35:34*B4gder tries to do a straight face so that his co-workers don't look at him as much
15:36:10*petur tries to imagine B4gder doing a straight face
15:36:38B4gderI also like their ideas about a distributed effort to crack the key
15:36:43B4gder160bit SHA1
15:36:57B4gderthat ought to be quick!
15:37:29B4gdercompare to how swiftly the 72bit RC5 cracking is going
15:37:43Cassandra"If we could pull the firmware off, then when we develop our own then we may be able to put our own verion on..." - A quote from someone calling himself "TechGuy".
15:38:44GodEaterhe's a genius
15:38:48B4gder"I wonder if DVD-Jon would be interested in helping us with this."
15:38:54GodEaterwe just don't comprehend how clever he really is
15:39:28B4gdernow I need more coffee to get back to the ground again
15:40:10CassandraYou see, that's where previous attempts at Zune Linux have fallen down. They tried to wish Linux onto the device as opposed to actually developing a replacement firmware.
15:40:17CassandraOh, hold on a minute ....
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15:43:36donutman25what are the disadvantages if the binary size increased by 1KB?
15:43:50Cassandranegligable these days.
15:44:09CassandraEventually Rockbox will stop working on Archos targets because it's too big.
15:44:13linuxstbBut it's the principle - lots of unnecessary 1KB increases are bad.
15:44:22*Cassandra nods.
15:44:39CassandraWe don't want any unnecessary increases.
15:44:53B4gderespecially not when removing variables ;-)
15:45:31peturdesowin: that qtscrobbler version you gave me works great. I suggested the creator of LogScrobbler (on misticriver) to abandon his program and join yours.
15:46:11peturdesowin: he wrote it in C# and now he's looking at making a linux version :)
15:46:48*desowin is always open for new developers :-)
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15:47:36linuxstbkkurbjun: Are you still looking for answers about rolo?
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15:47:58kkurbjunlinuxstb, yeah, if you have an explanation on it
15:48:26BockBilboim making a new rockbox theme for the 5g ipods... and i have a question relating to text positioning on the screen
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15:48:47Hilikushi guys
15:49:03BockBilboive been reading the wiki and i've found no information on how to locate the text on the places i want it to be
15:49:07Hilikusany updates on the new wps?
15:49:08linuxstbkkurbjun: There's not much to explain - as you mentioned, the rolo_restart() function is in IRAM, which allows the new firmware being rolo'ed to be copied over existing Rockbox.
15:49:23kkurbjunok, thats what I thought
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15:49:27HilikusBockBilbo: you mean in the wps?
15:49:37kkurbjunthe gigabeat doesn't have iram correct, only a data and instruction cache
15:49:38BockBilboright Hilikus
15:49:45BockBilboim making a new theme
15:49:51linuxstbkkurbjun: I thought it had a tiny amount of IRAM.
15:49:54B4gderHilikus: the new wps?
15:50:00Hilikusits text based, imagine positioning text and pictures in a text doc
15:50:17kkurbjunlinuxstb, do you know what DS would say that?
15:50:24Hilikusso you have to add empty lines
15:50:32kkurbjunI've seen some code in the OF that copies to 0x40000000
15:50:37BockBilboi know hilikus.. the issue is that i already placed the images correctly but cant manage to locate some text right
15:50:39kkurbjunand I was wondering if that was iram
15:50:40Hilikusno wait to position text in an absolute pos
15:50:49linuxstbkkurbjun: "DS" ?
15:50:55BockBilboi want to add the current time on the center of the top of the screeen
15:51:00kkurbjunbut I couldn't find a refrence to is.. datasheet, sorry
15:51:12BockBilbowhich will be b/w the play,pause,shuffle,repeat, hold and battery icon
15:51:13Hilikusif you cant position text correctly itsprobably easier to change the pics to fit the text
15:51:20Hilikusor try a differet font size
15:51:20linuxstbkkurbjun: No, I haven't looked at any gigabeat datasheets.
15:51:43linuxstbkkurbjun: markun would know for sure...
15:51:44HilikusB4gder: the views thingy
15:51:48BockBilboHilikus but how do i mark where to start positioning?
15:52:03BockBilbois there something similar to the margin or padding attributes on css for rockbox?
15:52:22BockBilbosomething like we do with images, giving the x and y coordenates on the screen?
15:52:25markunkkurbjun: 4K of SRAM
15:52:30B4gderHilikus: ah, viewports. That's a complete ui concept for Rockbox, not just a "new wps"
15:52:31markunlook at the S3C2440 manual
15:52:55Hilikusi dont know, maybe a patch? but not in the normal distribution i think
15:53:05B4gderHilikus: ?
15:53:05HilikusB4gder: ok
15:53:15*B4gder gets confused
15:53:27HilikusB4gder: you know if there has been any progress withthat?
15:53:43kkurbjunlinuxstb, another question, do you know why the ipods, and arms in general dont just put their vector tables at the begining of the bin, but instead copy them to address 0 later on?
15:53:46kkurbjunthanks markun
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15:54:18B4gderHilikus: I know there hasn't happened a lot, at least not code-wise. amiconn is the man for that really
15:54:30Hilikusi see
15:54:43kkurbjunI moved the vector tables to the begining of the linker for the gigabeat to match our other non-arm targets and I was able to get it to work fine and it simplifies the crt0 code, but I was wondering what the reason was
15:55:37Hilikushey, im using (and loving) the random album change after a current album finishes, does anybody know if there is a way to skip a directory instead of a song? kind of like when you press DISC+ in a car stereo
15:56:00linuxstbkkurbjun: No, I don't know. I _think_ that was implemented by tomal for the iFP port.
15:56:27Hilikuscause sometimes the album(dir) chosen randomly is an album i dont want to listen to, so i would like to jump to any other randomly selected dir
15:57:12BockBilbothat's the design im working on
15:57:38Hilikusoh you speak spanish
15:57:43Hilikusits nice btw
15:58:12Hilikusis it for an ipod?
15:58:21BockBilbofor the 5g
15:58:42BockBilboi have place the images correctly, but somehow cant manage to place the time on the top
15:58:56Hilikusi had the problem of aligning text with pictures, and theres no easy way to solve itr
15:59:18BockBilbobut some people have done it properly
15:59:21linuxstbYou should do it the other way around - position the text first, then draw the pictures around it.
15:59:25Hilikuswhat dpo u mean, it is on the top
15:59:44BockBilboHilikus that's an image of the design ive made with the gimp
15:59:54BockBilboi see linuxstb
16:00:13linuxstbWPSs are based on lines of text - you can't position text at any position on the screen.
16:00:20Hilikusthe text just doesnt appear or what
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16:01:05BockBilboohhh linuxstb ok
16:01:23BockBilboso once i place the text, how should i do to set the images on the positions i want?
16:01:42linuxstbTake a screenshot, and work from that.
16:01:43kkurbjunhmm, ok, well I've been adding alot more code to CRT0.s for all the bank initialization on the gigabeat, I think for now I'll just try and look for a clean way to simplify the s3c code and then if someone wants to mess around with the rest of the arm targets they can, eventually when all the work is done it will require a new boot loader, but none of this will be committed before the bootloader is working in flash (if I'm lucky and
16:01:53Hilikusso any ideas on how to change directory randomly? to like choose a new album randomly
16:02:04kkurbjunmarkun, what do you think about committing the lcd initialization code at least from shoora?
16:02:26markunsure, do it
16:02:35markunI wanted to do it myself and then forgot about it again :)
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16:03:02linuxstbkkurbjun: I had one comment about that - it includes "black magic" taken from the original firmware. It would be nice to add a comment to that effect, so people looking at the code in the future understand where it came from.
16:03:07kkurbjun:), ok, I'll do that later today then
16:03:23kkurbjunok, I can do that
16:04:37linuxstbkkurbjun: If the crt0.S has become very specific to the s3c, you could always just create a crt0-s3c.S and leave the generic ARM version alone.
16:04:41markunlinuxstb: maybe we can play with the values a bit to find out what they do
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16:06:21tsygrlDoes anyone know if the Sansa M240 is compatible with rockbox ? I do not have a tiny screwdriver to open it and look at the chip.
16:06:37B4gdertsygrl: it is not
16:06:37linuxstbNo it's not - just the E200 series.
16:06:41BockBilbothanksa lot linuxstb i got it now :)
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16:07:02GodEaterfortunately a tiny screwdriver is not required to find out if it's supported or not :)
16:07:19tsygrlwell thanks.
16:07:25B4gderwell, you should of course still crack it open to see
16:07:29B4gderfor the fun of it! ;-)
16:07:50pondlifeAnd to start a new porr :)
16:07:56pondlifeport, even
16:08:06tsygrlwhat is rockbox based on ?
16:08:11tsygrlany OS ?
16:08:20pondlifeNo, just rockbox-OS
16:08:21B4gderit is rockbox
16:08:24B4gderbased on nothing else
16:08:30bluebrotherRockbox is Rockbox. Written from scratch
16:08:38tsygrltiny little OS just for that purpose.
16:10:37BockBilbolinuxstb, is there any modification of the wps system beeing worked on right now?
16:10:39linuxstb$6,000,000 worth of tiny little OS...
16:11:27markuntsygrl: if you want you could try to help with a port to the M240
16:11:31linuxstbBockBilbo: A planned feature in Rockbox (not just WPSs) is viewports - which should allow more control over text positioning. Basically, you will specify a window on the screen, and draw in that.
16:11:39markuntsygrl: any idea what's inside?
16:11:45tsygrlnot an idea
16:11:53tsygrli could open it up tonight.
16:11:56linuxstbmarkun: Maybe a blackfin... ;)
16:12:13markunlinuxstb: I'll buy one :)
16:12:18tsygrlthe only hint i have is that a battery lasts 17 hours in it.
16:12:20BockBilboand will it be able to configure the menus and the recording screen?
16:12:21tsygrlcool ;-)
16:12:46tsygrli could not get it into diag mode by the e200 directions.
16:12:48BockBilboit seens very interesting
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16:13:13linuxstbBockBilbo: Customising the menus and recording screen are separate things. I'm sure it will happen eventually, but I don't know of anyone planning to do it.
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16:13:41tsygrlwell - if folks really want to make a m240 port i might be willing to buy hardware, but need talk later gotta go work now.
16:13:58BockBilboand in which stage is the development of the viewports right now?
16:14:03BockBilbois it on early development?
16:14:10tsygrlwell - you could make the menus in a linked list that could be changed.
16:14:44tsygrltalk later all.
16:14:52tsygrl−−-> work
16:15:08linuxstbBockBilbo: I don't think any code has been written - one person has shown a willingness to implement it, but we're all doing Rockbox in our spare time, so can't predict when things will happen.
16:15:55linuxstbWhich reminds me, this isn't my spare time...
16:16:19BockBilbohehe :/
16:16:33GodEaterwasn't viewports one of the GSoC sponsored projects ?
16:16:59B4gderor rather, there was someone who submitted something that coudl've been viewports
16:17:00linuxstbWe have USBOTG, WMA, Text-to-speeh and metadata-on-buffer.
16:17:01GodEaterso it wasn't
16:17:14linuxstbtext-to-speech even
16:17:29GodEatertext to speech is something I'm keen on seeing happen :)
16:17:37*markun too
16:17:46*linuxstb is keener on hearing it happen
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16:17:57GodEaterI was going to make that gag
16:18:01GodEaterbut I decided not to
16:18:04markunlinuxstb: hey, it's be the original bag of shit sound you expect from rb :)
16:18:17markun"it'll" even
16:18:18GodEaterI guess the album art crowd will be pleased with MoB
16:18:43linuxstbThey won't care - they already have a patch which works well enough for them.
16:18:46GodEaternot very excited about USBOTG and WMA tho =/
16:19:03GodEaterlinuxstb: true, but they don't have to keep using unsupported builds to use it
16:19:15GodEaterthen they can whinge to us when it breaks :)
16:19:15BockBilbolinuxstb, with MoB I'll be able to load the albumart from the tags, right?
16:19:17markunI don't think it will be USBOTG but just a USB device stack
16:19:25linuxstbBockBilbo: No, that's not a planned feature.
16:19:25GodEaterBockBilbo: no
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16:19:38BockBilbooks.. i guess i missunderstood it
16:19:53linuxstbBockBilbo: It's more an internal change that users won't immediately notice - making Rockbox use memory more efficiently.
16:20:21XavierGrdoes anyone know which is the best way to solder an smd led to a wire?
16:20:36XavierGrit is so difficult to solder these tiny beasts
16:21:57BockBilboone last question related to wps... ive noticed that not all fonts converted from ttf look fine on rockbox... is that because of the aliasing?
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16:25:08GodEaterBockBilbo: it's probably more the conversion process - it's not perfect
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16:25:46peturmarkun: I'll protest if he only makes a USB device stack, and then I'll resume in porting the philips stack to h3x0
16:25:46BockBilbowhich conversion process the one mad by the font convertor?
16:27:34BockBilbo*made, sorry
16:27:39BockBilbook thanks GodEater
16:27:48GodEaterthe ttf font format is vector based, whilst the .bdf fonts we use are pixel based - so the process can't be perfect
16:28:08GodEaterIIRC :)
16:28:40markunpetur: I know nothing about USB so I don't really know how difficult each of the tasks will be
16:31:02linuxstbOn the PP targets (which I think is all austriancoder has), a software disk mode is most needed in Rockbox...
16:31:35peturhe as a sansa iirc
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16:31:57Hilikuswma support?? why??
16:32:03B4gderhe at leased used to have an x5 too
16:32:07saratogawhy not
16:32:21Hilikuswho uses wma??
16:32:34linuxstbPeople who accept the defaults in Windows.
16:32:37saratogaanyone know why cygwin and linux have very different ideas about what an int64 should be typedefed as?
16:32:40linuxstbi.e. many, many people.
16:32:40peturI have no troubles that he works on device mode first, but I think it would be nice if the stack he ports has host mode too. If not for the h3x0/x5, then for a later target maybe
16:32:44saratogathis is driving me insane
16:33:04linuxstbsaratoga: Don't typedef - just use int64_t
16:33:12linuxstb(stdint.h iirc)
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16:33:36saratogalinuxstb: the code I have was written in cygwin and does not compile in linux because of disagreements abotu what an int64_t is
16:34:01saratogalots of " error: syntax error before "uint64_t" messages
16:34:07linuxstbHow are you defining int64_t - are you just including stdint.h ?
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16:35:02Hilikusa new absolute positioning UI would be more useful to the majority of users, more than wma. if you take windows defaults you probably wont be able to install RB anyway :P
16:35:19Hilikusjust my oponion of course
16:35:27B4gderHilikus: rockbox development is very little about what's most useful to the majority
16:35:33saratogalooks like it imports "#include <sys/types.h>"
16:35:33linuxstbHilikus: People work on what they want to work on - either because they need it themselves, or it's fun.
16:35:39GodEaterHilikus: see our goldenquotes page for the dev's opinion's on wma :)
16:35:53Hilikusi will
16:36:01saratogai get nothing but crap for this wma project
16:36:14saratogawell that and hours of help from linuxstb and preglow
16:36:30B4gderyou'll get praise from users
16:36:45saratogayeah but users who want wma aren't the kind i want to talk to i think
16:36:50B4gderand I love seeing rockbox cover yet another "white spot"
16:37:00Hilikusand doing ANYTHING for RB will get you praise
16:37:36GodEatersaratoga: I think you'll get a lot of respect for doing it. It's not like it's easy. I just don't think most of us here present will actually ever make use of it in a meaningful way ;)
16:37:45saratogaso i should delete the import of types.h and import stdint.h instead?
16:37:48*linuxstb praises nls for managing to remove some variables and not increase binary size by 1KB
16:38:11linuxstbsaratoga: I wouldn't have expected types.h to conflict with stdint.h
16:38:27Hilikuswouldnt it cost to support wma though? like royalties crap?
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16:38:49Hilikusor its only for encoders?
16:39:08saratogalinuxstb: theres no import of stdint (in the code anyway), though maybe stdint.h does?
16:41:22GodEaterHilikus: there already exist opensource codecs for wma. As far as we know, they have not incurred royalty payments.
16:41:35linuxstbHilikus: Technically I guess a patent holder could persue Rockbox, but the only case I'm aware of is Dolby and the open source DTS decoder.
16:42:34linuxstbsaratoga: Have you found where your uint64_t is being defined?
16:43:20linuxstbsaratoga: Unless you've changed it, I see libwma/dtypes.h defines them. You should remove those definitions and #include stdint.h
16:44:48linuxstb"typedef unsigned long uint64_t" looks wrong to me...
16:45:15*linuxstb notices they are commented out...
16:45:17saratogalinuxstb: deleteing the types.h and changing it to stdint.h seems to placate it
16:45:34saratogaor at least it shifts all the errors to code i've actually written
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16:45:47linuxstbI'm guessing that maybe on Cygwin, types.h include stdint.h, but not in Linux.
16:45:58saratogathat would make sense
16:46:00*amiconn thinks wma support is quite important
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16:46:12saratogayou know, i'm starting to see why subsequent languages did not include a preprocessor
16:46:21saratogathat was something i never really appreaciated before
16:46:28amiconnThis is because several original firmwares support wma, and not supporting it in rockbox stops users from switching
16:47:24linuxstbI agree - probably all original firmwares support it, apart from ipods (and Archos of course).
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16:47:45amiconnThat said, I don't have any wma files (as a source)
16:48:00amiconnMaking some is no problem at all though
16:48:37Sanitcould someone tell me if the iPod 80GB is offically supported yet? I have been looking around the forums but can't find a deffinate answer
16:48:42amiconnlinuxstb: Hehe, that reminds me - in the Ondio faq, archos promised to add wma support in a later firmware release...
16:48:56linuxstbSanit: Yes it is - check the front page of the Rockbox website.
16:49:15SanitYeah, I noticed it was missing from the little note at the top of the page. :D
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16:49:24linuxstbSanit: And the news item?
16:49:24Sanitgood work guys, you made my day.. thanks
16:49:55linuxstbamiconn: Maybe Micronas promised a codec, but then couldn't deliver...
16:49:56Sanitooh, ok. Sorry... I am so used to the news not changing much, i didn't check.. i guess, sorry anyway
16:50:13Sanit;-) Thanks guys
16:52:25amiconnIt's even still there.... lol
16:52:35markunlinuxstb: what kind of audio are we looking for for our codec test files?
16:52:46amiconn...last item under "Music MP3"
16:53:05linuxstbamiconn: :) They've certainly been working for a long time...
16:53:49linuxstbmarkun: I think the concensus was that we wanted a file that was hard to encode - so it tests the codecs. The test was suggested by amiconn - see what bitrate lame -V2 generates.
16:54:15markunwhat kind of bitrate should we be aiming for?
16:54:30amiconnThat's probably a bit biased though - music which is hard to encode as mp3 might not be hard to encode to other formats
16:54:31markunI'll try some creative commons flac files
16:54:56amiconnAfaik Soap was looking for a suitable piece of music
16:55:01linuxstbamiconn: That's true, but it's going to be impossible to be perfect.
16:55:40linuxstbIt's just that I noticed Soap's first test track decoded faster than my other test files.
16:55:56linuxstbSo I think it was an unusually "easy" track.
16:56:16linuxstbThat was with some lossless codecs though.
16:57:09linuxstbmarkun: It's probably best to encode the middle of a song - so you don't get the silent/quiet start.
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17:00:21markunlinuxstb: so what kind of bitrates did you get?
17:00:36markunthe first file I tried got 175
17:01:05markunwait, that didn't work out very well :)
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17:01:46amiconnI will happily provide mp2 and mp1 versions once we've decided on a test track
17:02:00markunit was 216
17:02:51amiconnFor lossy format, we should probably have 2 versions per format, one with a "typical" bitrate and one with the maximum
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17:04:59linuxstbmarkun: I didn't try anything... 216 doesn't seem too bad.
17:05:27markunlinuxstb: I tried the 2nd track of this EP:
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17:08:14AceNikhey guys whats up
17:08:50markunhi AceNik
17:09:12AceNikhey hows u
17:10:07markunlinuxstb: that site looks very nice, I'm sure we find something if we look hard enough:
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17:10:28AceNiklisten i was thinking is there a way somehow where we have tabs for the pictures & videos to be shown in the database view , but by selection of custom folder locations, not by scanning the whole disk
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17:10:52linuxstbmarkun: Yes, it does. I'm not sure how to decide on a track though...
17:12:09linuxstbAceNik: I'm not sure what you mean. Do you want to be able to have menu entries in the database browser which point to folders?
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17:12:40AceNikis that possible
17:12:58AceNikso in this way we would b able to have our pictures & videos shown in the database
17:13:10SlasheriAceNik: not (yet) possible
17:13:15markunlinuxstb: should it be nice to listen to? I got some experimental electronic music which encoded at 248 :)
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17:13:47AceNiklinuxstbthis website u prvide a link fr does it have free music?
17:14:45GodEaterAceNik: can you try to use proper english please ?
17:15:08AceNik Slasheri: well i was thinking the rockbox_advance_directory plugin scans for a list of custom folders & lets you edit it to make a .dat file with your selection , so can the databse use this .dat file to show folders
17:15:51AceNiklinuxstb: the website you provided a link for does it provide free music
17:17:03linuxstbmarkun: Maybe it's just because I don't listen to electronic music that I'm biased against it... I suppose that ideally we should take a range of tracks, encode them all in a few formats, and take the one which is closest to the average...
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17:17:32linuxstbAceNik: What website? I didn't provide any links...
17:18:14AceNikmarkun: you provided some link , rearding open surce music
17:19:05markunAceNik: yes, free music
17:20:10AceNikwell is is posiible we somehow can work on a way to include our pictures & videos in the database view, & can we make custom folder selection posiible for database view
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17:22:10SlasheriAceNik: yes, i would like to implement directory links to the database. But i don't have much time atm
17:22:46AceNikSlasheri:can you tell me how t somehow ill work on it
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17:23:32SlasheriAceNik: just modify the tagtree.c and filetree code to support entering file view from the tag browser
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17:25:44AceNiki was alos of the view that the "directory cache" functions on the point where a usb connection is made & scans the whole HDD, wouldnt it be better if the user could manually exeute it when he did some major change, & if dircache could use data processed from a file on the hdd instead
17:27:01Slasherino, dircache must invalidate itself after a usb connection
17:27:42Slasheriotherwise rockbox will crash if the cache isn't valid
17:28:30AceNikbut cant we change the code for it or mke it smarter to ask the user if dircache should run or not, cause frankly if im usin my HDD for dat storage & browsin only music most of the time , ill be bothered to update "dircache info" only if i added any music
17:29:21Slasherino, dircache must always match the disk contents because it's low level code and open() for example uses startcluster information stored in the cache
17:29:54Slasheriif you have iriver H120/140, you can flash rockbox so dircache is able to hibernate on disk as well
17:29:58AceNikis reading from cache faster than reading from a file ?
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17:30:30AceNikSlasheri:well the sleep mode on rockbox is a differet debate altogether
17:30:32Slasheriof course, cache is kept in ram
17:31:10AceNikSlasheri: im seeing, the filetree.c & tagtree.c , well im not much of hlp here
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17:32:50GodEaterlater all, have a good weekend
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17:36:08AceNikwell do the ram contents need to be refreshed everytime ?
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17:48:59kennncan someone tell me what to use to store music on rockbox for ipod because when playlist are made in itunes the same playlists are not located in rockbox
17:50:30markunkennn: you can just drag-n-drop your music onto you ipod with rockbox
17:51:56kennnand then what about playlist do i have to make it in rockbox, bec that will take a long time, i dont make playlist by id3 tags
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18:40:11tsygrlis there any effort to create a flashviewer for rockbox ?
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18:41:41LloreanNobody who's expressed interest in it has actually done any work on it, so far as we know.
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18:42:00LloreanMost of them just ask if there is one, and when told there isn't say "It'd be really great" and that's about it.
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19:21:24Chrysalidhmm, if database auto update is on, does it update the new songs each time I start up rockbox in stand alone mode?
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19:44:15BockBilboi finally finished my theme
19:44:29BockBilbothis was the original idea:
19:44:38BockBilboand this is what Ive end up with:
19:45:06BockBilboit sucks that i couldn't use the same font as the one from the gimp
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19:55:47riftBockBilbo: it's for ?
19:55:57BockBilbothe 5g ipods
19:58:22servoare there any channels for archos gminis?
19:59:00BockBilborift, any suggestion?
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20:01:16riftput a current time in the midle of total time/ramaining
20:01:21linuxstb_servo: You could try
20:02:14BockBilborift i had that on my initial theme, but though that it's not totally necessary
20:02:30BockBilboi think that by putting it i fill the screen with too much information
20:02:39BockBilboI wanted to do a simple theme
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20:04:44rifti have to port it to ipod nano :)
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20:10:17BockBilboim uploading it to rockbox-themes
20:10:24BockBilboim also going to add it to the wiki
20:17:31BockBilbowhere do i register on the wiki in order to upload a theme?
20:18:35BockBilbonevermind, found
20:18:41desowinregister and tell your name here to someone give you edit permission
20:19:02riftwhat's your theme name ?
20:21:42BockBilboim alredy registered
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20:21:47BockBilbothat's my wiki name
20:21:53BockBilborift, GkTxT
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20:24:21BockBilboit's already on the rockbox-themes web
20:26:49BockBilbocan someone give me permissions on the wiki to edit the WPsIpod5g page?
20:26:57BockBilboi need to attatch my theme there
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20:28:03desowinBockBilbo: is Unai real name ?
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20:30:21Osyrashello. I have a sansa e260 and was attempting to test rockbox and now I am left with the error "data abort at 00041744"
20:30:33OsyrasI am unable to reset the device and it will not power off
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20:31:00BockBilbodesowin, that's my name
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20:31:09Osyrasi have done a search of the forums an dnot found this
20:31:20Osyrashas anyone seen this before?
20:31:34Osyrasand save from taking the cover off and ripping out the battery is theer a way to recover?
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20:32:09BockBilbothanks :)
20:32:13desowinBockBilbo: done, it's first time I see such name, no offense, just wanted to be sure
20:32:29BockBilboit's a basque name
20:33:12BockBilboin the case you don't know, basque is the oldest language in europe and is spoken in the northern part of spain and southern france, in the pirinees
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20:34:09Good_Apollohi having a little problem with rockbox
20:34:23desowinGood_Apollo: ask instead asking to ask
20:34:26toffe82just ask :)
20:34:36Good_Apollookay =]
20:34:43bluebrotherOsyras: I assume you installed the newest bootloader and build?
20:34:55Good_Apollowell, whenever i am in file view, i scroll ipod starts to slow down and freeze
20:34:55Osyrasas far as I can tell
20:35:09Sanitare you using the latest build?
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20:35:47Osyrasmay 31st 2007 is file date of the buld
20:36:37bluebrotherhmm. Does the sansa don't have any reset mechanism?
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20:37:21BockBilbointo which category should i add the theme?
20:37:33BockBilboNo Author/ Single submissions gallery?
20:38:05Osyrasthe battery is user replaceable
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20:38:20Osyrasso i was just going to take the 4 screwes off and try reseting that way
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20:49:45Osyrasremoved the battery and put back in, booted up, but i rmeoved the bootloader
20:49:51Osyrasgonna try re-adding it.
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20:51:13Good_Apollowhenever i am in file view, i scroll ipod starts to slow down and freeze. and idea what might be wrong?
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20:55:37bluebrotherGood_Apollo: do you have dircache enabled?
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20:56:53linuxstb_Good_Apollo: What do you mean by "freeze" ? Does Rockbox crash, meaning you have to reset with MENU+SELECT?
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20:57:50Good_Apollothan does it again
20:57:53Good_Apollostops the scroll
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20:58:17bluebrotheris Rockbox buffering at that time? Look for the disc icon in the statusbar.
20:58:26Good_Apolloyes its buffering
20:59:11bluebrotherand do you have dircache enabled?
20:59:20Good_Apolloi believe i do
20:59:24linuxstb_What format music are you playing (mp3, vorbis, ...) and what bitrate?
20:59:46Good_ApolloMp3, around 200kb
21:00:12Good_Apolloa few are in wav, and AAC
21:00:46linuxstb_Do you get the same problem playing WAV?
21:01:06Good_Apolloits not playing the music..its scrolling through file view
21:01:08Good_Apolloit plays music just fine
21:01:28bluebrotherdo you use a backdrop? And on what ipod?
21:01:41Good_Apolloyes i do, 30 GB video ipod
21:02:01bluebrotherdoes it work better when you disable the backdrop?
21:02:13linuxstb_Good_Apollo: I'm trying to see if the problem is just CPU-related - i.e. you're doing a lot of cpu intensive things at the same time?
21:02:52Good_Apolloit stays the same with backdrop, and ill try to free up some space and see if it goes a little faster
21:05:00Good_Apolloi have useless files i can clear out
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21:09:52Dorian_would anyone know why my ipod is saying it only has about 3hrs of batterry at 98% ?
21:11:27Good_ApolloDirectory cash would probably help it alot
21:11:55Dorian_how would i do that?
21:12:23markunDorian_: it's probably just because the remaining time calculation was not calibrated for the ipod
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21:13:22markunIf it says 3hrs and you can play for 6 then just ignore the remaining time info
21:13:40Dorian_ah, ok but i thought i should get 8-12
21:14:14markunwell, if you get 8-12 that's even better
21:14:46markunDorian_: here are some runtimes:
21:15:15bluebrotherDorian_: it's an estimation. You will never get an exact time value anyway
21:15:42Dorian_true, but i have a 60 and getting 8-10 i'd fine
21:16:02markunbluebrother: I wouldn't call it an estimation if it's so far off
21:16:30bluebrothermarkun: right. But it's intended to be an estimation, so ...
21:16:43bluebrotheron the ipods it's just a completely broken estimation ;-)
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21:20:10CassandraHmm. Just been playing around with my Arcam Ipod lead.
21:20:37CassandraWe're doing something wrong. The line out has a nasty high pitched whine on it that's not present in the Apple f/w.
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21:23:36Dorian_well one thing i found out that the battery setting was at 400mAh instead of 600
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21:23:51Dorian_but no change
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21:27:31markunDorian_: don't worry about it, it doesn't influence the actual runtime
21:27:56Dorian_what's disk spindown?
21:27:58markunjust keep an eye on the battery percentage if you want to know how much there is left
21:28:21markunthe hard disk consumes less power with the disk not spinning
21:28:51markunbut if rockbox needs to read from the disk and it's not spinning it will take a little while to get it to spin again
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21:29:45markundoes that answer your question more or less?
21:30:36Dorian_so that little while is the time you select?
21:31:41markunthe time you select is how long it should wait until it stops spinning
21:32:23markunif you have dircache off and you browser through your files a lot, it's very anoying if you set this time too short
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21:33:11markunI have dircache on and the spin down value low
21:33:17pixelmaCassandra: maybe that's what a bag of shit sounds like ;)
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21:36:17peturbag of pitch?
21:37:09Dorian_petur! ah, you reminded me how i should let everyone know of my patch and get them to comment on it
21:37:33peturaka nagging ;)
21:37:40*pixelma wonders whether petur now gets triggered on "bag" or ...
21:37:42Dorian_lol... yes
21:38:11*petur checks his highlight config
21:38:16Dorian_everyone should check out task #7111 and be in awe
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22:06:15BRi7XIs the person who recommended I get the Gigabeat F around at all?
22:06:34linuxstb_I think that will depend on your next question...
22:09:16BRi7XWell...heh. I'm not having a very shpadoinkle day today, and my ever so epic clumsiness has gotten the best of me... in short, the Gigabeat F fell out of its case and smacked into the ground flat on its back (or front?)... Hard disk a clappin'. I was researching getting a new HD for it, but I noticed the HD alone was actually almost as much as a new player, so I'm thinking of getting a new player... But should I go with the Gigabeat agai
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22:10:02linuxstb_What size disk was it?
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22:11:49linuxstb_I'm not sure if many hard-disk DAPs would survive a drop like that. Were you happy with the giabeat before that?
22:12:52BRi7Xbut, it only lasted about 20 days...
22:12:53linuxstb_Does the gigabeat still turn on OK?
22:13:16linuxstb_I'm not sure you can blame the gigabeat for that though...
22:13:19BRi7Xturns on, but the load bar gets this far: [##−−−−−−−−]
22:13:36BRi7Xoh no, it's my clumsy fault... actually no, i don't blame me fully... it's partly the design of the case
22:14:03BRi7Xbut i am known to be quite clumsy, i guess that's just another drawback of asperger's syndrome
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22:15:21BRi7Xfor christmas's sake, my diepod lasted longer than that... and it still at least turns on.. if the HDs were just a little bit more similar, i could do a swap, but alas... the problem with my diepod is the headphone connector , only comes out of one year.. i'm again resorting to using my nintendo ds as a music player until i settle this
22:16:00linuxstb_Maybe you should get a flash-based player - they're much more rugged.
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22:16:55BRi7Xwell the issue there is capacity of course... meh.
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22:17:23BRi7Xi think i may give the gigabeat another go actually, it's pretty cheap compared to others... and i had an idea to rubber band the gigabeat into the case to better secure it
22:17:41markunBRi7X: there are also some silicon cases from zCover
22:19:01BRi7Xfor the f40?
22:19:39BRi7Xhow's the progress on the S coming? near-usable? soon, not soon? i couldn't really tell from the S info page
22:20:29markunThere is a way to run code on the Gigabeat S and all the datasheets are available
22:20:45markunbut no rockbox port has been started yet
22:20:51peturmarkun: what connector did the gigabeat harddisk have? zif as well?
22:21:14markunpetur: the S has a ZIF connector, the F doesn't
22:21:33peturso the F has a normal 50pins ide?
22:21:37BRi7Xso at this point, it's "pwnable" but not "pwned" yet in other words, like the ipod80gb?
22:21:38linuxstb_petur: I bought the same 80GB drive for my gigabeat as you bought.
22:22:02markunBRi7X: yes, a bit like that, but there will be a lot more work involved
22:22:17*petur has a spare 40GB hdd lying around and looks at BRi7X's broken player
22:22:31markunbut you never know, if someone has some free time and skill a port could go pretty fast
22:23:04linuxstb_markun: Are the people hacking the S interested in porting Rockbox, or something else?
22:23:06BRi7Xan... MK4006GAH?
22:23:11markunor BRi7X could sell his Gigabeat to petur :)
22:23:29*petur was thinking the latter ;)
22:23:55BRi7Xso, you want the gigabeat, and i'll just buy another one?
22:24:10linuxstb_BRi7X: Which part of the world are you in?
22:24:30markunlinuxstb_: I think ptw419 wants a rockbox port but I don't know about zunepet
22:24:35peturthe disk is an MK4004GAH in fact
22:24:51peturBRi7X: where do you live?
22:25:10BRi7Xpa, usa
22:25:36toffe82linuxstb markun
22:25:48toffe82zunepet is more interested on the zune
22:26:22markunbut he did quite a lot of work for the Gigabeat S while he already knew it didn't apply to the Zune
22:27:13markuntoffe82: interested in buying a broken Gigabeat F40 btw? :)
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22:28:48BRi7Xpetur: you wanted to buy the gigabeat f from me? or sell me the hard drive? which?
22:28:50toffe82not now, I am actually looking for a broken S60 (broken lcd) which finish tonight on ebay and only 1 bid for the moment at 1$ ;)
22:29:25markundo you have any Gigabeat S with a working screen?
22:29:56toffe82yes 2 S30 , so if I can get this one, I can make a s60 working
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22:30:36BRi7Xso i should buy a new one for sures?
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22:32:22toffe82markun: it is more a pmp than a dap, it is a little big to put in your pocket
22:32:29peturBRi7X: depends on how much you're asking and if the hdd is the only thing broken
22:33:10BRi7Xpetur: pretty much name a price and i'll do it
22:33:31toffe82markun: I don't know why they don't use the lcd from their E800 pda to make a dap (4 inch VGA touch screen would be nice)
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22:48:12kristnjovhey guys
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22:51:26kristnjovhow are things today?
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22:52:30Bagderthings are on the slow side today
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23:34:07nlsamiconn: I posted the reworked mp3entry struct changes here if you're interested
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23:40:58linuxstb_nls: struct mp3entry is also part of the plugin API...
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23:41:19nlslinuxstb_ ah crap, :-)
23:44:24linuxstb_How did you determine the best way to arrange the structs?
23:45:24nlslinuxstb_ well I tried to take mpeccorini's comments about arrangement into mind but also a lot of trial & error...
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23:46:28linuxstb_OK. So there's nothing more you could add to the comments about it?
23:47:58nlslinuxstb_: hmm, not really, the bigges change was grouping the chars and bools together in mp3entry.
23:48:17*petur wonders how the patch will do on 64bit sims
23:48:44markuncan't we tell GCC to choose the best order for some structs?
23:49:25nlspetur: no more broken than before that I can tell, still can play oggs etc.
23:49:35nlsmarkun: I dunno, can you?
23:50:54*markun is googling for "gcc struct packing"
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23:53:18*mpeccorini thinks you can't
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23:58:00markunmpeccorini: I think you are right
23:58:24mpeccorinisad to hear that, it would be a nice feature for the compiler

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