00:00:00 | Bagder | nopes |
00:00:11 | amiconn | Why is that? |
00:00:16 | Bagder | in fact, we have several that only do sh due to speed |
00:00:24 | Bagder | a few don't have sdl |
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00:00:41 | limbus | what's wrong with my configure script ? |
00:00:58 | Bagder | very weird problem |
00:01:01 | Cardini | Sorry, misnavigated away from this page. I may have missed anything said to me. |
00:01:39 | limbus | Cardini, you were back very quickly: |
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00:01:52 | amiconn | Bagder: If it's just for speed, it would imho be better to just use preferences rather than hard exclusions |
00:01:52 | Bagder | limbus: can you to login as rbclient and try building? |
00:02:20 | limbus | just executing acbuild or actually build ? |
00:02:21 | Bagder | amiconn: no, not until we do parallel builds |
00:02:24 | amiconn | Cardini: You can look up everything in the logs... |
00:02:28 | limbus | one single config then |
00:02:42 | Bagder | limbus: yes |
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00:02:52 | Bagder | just an actual build as rbclient |
00:03:05 | Bagder | acbuild.pl is tricky to invoke |
00:03:06 | Cardini | amiconn: How? |
00:03:10 | Nico_P | where are the %YES%, %NO% and other variables from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide?raw=on defined ? |
00:03:16 | limbus | whopsie |
00:03:27 | limbus | calling ./acbuild.pl nuked all contents |
00:03:36 | Bagder | exactly |
00:03:37 | Bagder | ;-) |
00:03:45 | Bagder | "svn up" and get the acbuild.pl script again |
00:03:47 | Nico_P | I've been trying to use them in another page without success |
00:03:51 | limbus | yes meant for me yes to the first question :) |
00:04:13 | Bagder | oh |
00:04:38 | Bagder | if you just show me your receipt, you'll get a full refund! |
00:04:48 | Cardini | Say, I'm new to IRC. What does an orange tint on someone's name mean? |
00:05:23 | * | Bagder doesn't know |
00:05:31 | petur | Cardini: it means your nick was mentioned in that line |
00:06:02 | Cardini | Ah. Thanks. |
00:06:05 | * | petur thinks this one was fairly obvious |
00:06:41 | * | Cardini thought that it was the prefixing of a name, but suspected it might be something else. |
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00:07:58 | Bagder | I gotta sleep now, I put your server on the side for now limbus until we have checked the details |
00:08:10 | limbus | mhmkay |
00:08:18 | limbus | it currently builds well h300Sim |
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00:09:49 | Cardini | I've been having problems: after a certain date, any MP3s I add to my player are not in the database, showing up instead in files. |
00:10:06 | amiconn | Nico_P: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TWikiDocGraphics |
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00:10:58 | Nico_P | amiconn: yes, but actually in that particular page they seem to be defined as meta info, but I don't see how to set this meta info |
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00:11:49 | Cardini | Updating my database didn't help, and initializing it resulted in a bug I mentioned earlier. |
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00:21:36 | amiconn | Nico_P: Looks to me like the %YES% and %NO% aren't mapped to icons the normal way. They might be extensions provided by the table plugin (if we have that), meaning they would only work in tables |
00:22:34 | Nico_P | I thought that at one point but looking into the history (at the beginning of it, towards the first revisions), I see some "meta" definitions |
00:25:57 | amiconn | Eh, it's in topic preferences |
00:26:29 | Nico_P | where are those ? |
00:26:38 | amiconn | Select 'more' in the topic's footer. At the bottom you'll find "Edit topic preference settings" |
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00:27:32 | Nico_P | oohh :) thanks |
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00:28:34 | amiconn | Obscure feature, that :\ |
00:28:52 | JerryLange | i noticed just now there is no current build for the ipod 5g |
00:29:19 | limbus | that's my fault |
00:29:30 | limbus | my machine did not properly build it |
00:29:51 | JerryLange | alright. just wondering if something went totally wrong |
00:29:59 | limbus | eh, yes :) |
00:30:14 | limbus | just don't know yet what exactly made my rbclient go mad |
00:30:27 | limbus | it's nothing wrong in the code |
00:30:32 | limbus | must be me or my machine |
00:31:02 | JerryLange | ok well thank you. i have to go though. |
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01:18:30 | chrisjs169 | yay |
01:18:33 | chrisjs169 | i just got my new sansa |
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01:19:10 | * | chrisjs169 isn't too fond of the new backing |
01:21:22 | chrisjs169 | but i got an extra usb cable... |
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01:22:39 | chrisjs169 | but the cable feels different...but it's got a new scrollwheel |
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01:37:23 | chrisjs169 | limbus.dyndns.org is having problems with make - it failed to compile 29builds |
01:37:47 | limbus | jup |
01:38:05 | chrisjs169 | hey - it looks like your server's having problems |
01:38:18 | limbus | that's quite a while ago, happened with the first try to add my server to the farm |
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01:38:34 | limbus | it did not pass the test, so is not part of the farm at the moment |
01:38:57 | chrisjs169 | the build master says differently - http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/serv-20070604T215356Z.html |
01:39:26 | limbus | yes, that was the only one try |
01:39:37 | chrisjs169 | ah, ok |
01:39:57 | chrisjs169 | but now I need to compile a default sansa build from source :P |
01:40:15 | limbus | mhmm |
01:40:27 | limbus | you can make somebody commit anything |
01:40:33 | limbus | :) |
01:40:41 | chrisjs169 | lol |
01:40:41 | limbus | or grab an archived build |
01:41:05 | chrisjs169 | yeah |
01:41:24 | chrisjs169 | or just compile it manually :) |
01:41:34 | limbus | as youlike |
01:42:11 | chrisjs169 | it seems that me new sansa doesn't like my custom build =/ |
01:42:37 | * | petur preps another commit |
01:43:23 | chrisjs169 | yay |
01:43:43 | chrisjs169 | oh fun - my friend emailed me at a no longer working email address, and I forget what his is |
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01:45:58 | markun | petur: what is it? |
01:46:12 | petur | just a lang update |
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01:55:53 | red | I am new to the whole code thing. I found a cool pong patch, and I was wondering how to put in a file on my H10 |
01:56:15 | petur | any programming experience? |
01:56:33 | saratoga | red: go to rockbox,.org, click the index link and read the "working with patches" tutorial |
01:56:45 | red | nope. not mutch, at least |
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01:56:57 | saratoga | however, asking this question basically means that you'll give up in frustration in about 3 hours, maybe less |
01:57:19 | * | petur wonders what's slowing the build down |
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01:57:55 | red | Saratoga; I tried I couldn't figure it out. and I spent AT LEAST 3.68 hours on it... |
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01:58:35 | limbus | petur, at least its neither mine nor goteaters machine |
01:58:47 | petur | ok, all targets have binaries again |
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01:59:38 | limbus | tnx |
01:59:42 | limbus | felt a bit bad |
01:59:47 | petur | off to bed now |
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02:00:25 | markun | if I merge 2 threads in the forum where will it end up? |
02:00:38 | markun | in the thread where I pressed 'merge' or the other thread I selected? |
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02:01:45 | * | limbus does not know the forums |
02:01:55 | limbus | try, split and remerge :) |
02:02:28 | limbus | me is off to bed now too |
02:02:41 | krazykit | markun, iirc, it should merge it into the one where you pressed merge |
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02:04:42 | markun | krazykit: I just tried it and it was merged into the second thread |
02:05:33 | markun | I hope it's no problem that I removed some useless posts while I was at it :) |
02:05:45 | krazykit | wtf. simple machines forums must be weird |
02:06:17 | markun | krazykit: it was what I was expecting, but it still could have been either way |
02:07:02 | krazykit | it really ought to explicitly state one way or the other though |
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02:08:02 | markun | saratoga: do you include your ears when you say "all you're doing with EQ is correcting for the limitations of your hardware"? |
02:10:10 | markun | krazykit: yes, you get prompted where the new thread should be and what the new name should be |
02:13:25 | markun | funny ipod mod: http://web.mac.com/owenmcgarry/iWeb/Downloads/Downloads/10E5A5E6-7AE6-4BFD-B454-11CBC427A9A1.html |
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02:38:51 | dan2 | hi guys |
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03:04:15 | chrisjs169 | hi dan2 |
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03:05:09 | JdGordon | *yawn* morning all |
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03:08:40 | chrisjs169 | *yawn* evening all |
03:12:46 | saratoga | my gigabeat finally came |
03:12:55 | saratoga | i'm actually really impressed with this player |
03:13:53 | toffe82 | it is a F ? |
03:18:10 | Soap | there needs to be a concerted effort to /remove/ powerful CPUs from the hands of developers. ;) |
03:18:33 | Soap | except for amiconn. I have a feeling he is uncorruptable. |
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03:31:38 | saratoga | haha |
03:31:42 | saratoga | yeah I got an F |
03:32:25 | saratoga | for the record, I offered to pitch in a few bucks towards buying a dev a gigabeat S |
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03:39:36 | kokeradio | hi there |
03:39:52 | kokeradio | any news on gigabeat s series? |
03:45:33 | kokeradio | is anything done as of yet? |
03:48:39 | saratoga | someone came up with a hack that lets you run code on the gigabeat S, but no one has written anything of interest for it yet |
03:48:49 | saratoga | i believe theres only 1-2 people working on it |
03:49:07 | kokeradio | hmm |
03:49:31 | kokeradio | i wonder why... the player is much more advanced than f or x series |
03:49:47 | kokeradio | it would be pretty neat |
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03:50:03 | saratoga | since theres few people with the player, development will be slow |
03:53:38 | kokeradio | thanks dude |
03:54:02 | kokeradio | it's good to know that people are working on it |
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04:34:14 | alienbiker99 | should have told him to join #gigabeat |
04:34:27 | toffe82 | and look today logs :0 |
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05:21:34 | saratoga | can anyone help me with a gigabeat question? |
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05:25:53 | midkay | saratoga: only if you actually ask it. |
05:29:58 | saratoga | my gigabeat seems to have lost its system folder |
05:30:05 | saratoga | i'm not entirely sure how or why |
05:30:15 | saratoga | i rebooted, and its gone |
05:30:22 | saratoga | can't boot the gigabeat or see it in Windows |
05:30:30 | saratoga | is there some way to make a new one? |
05:30:48 | saratoga | sorry, can mount the gigabeat, but not see the folder once its mounted |
05:34:42 | saratoga | midkay: you still there? |
05:34:57 | alienbiker99 | hmmm, original firmware? |
05:35:02 | midkay | saratoga: yes, but i don't have or know a thing about the gigabeats, sorry. nothing i could help with |
05:35:19 | saratoga | yeah i figured no one would be around now |
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05:39:33 | saratoga | ah got it fixed thanks to an old thread in the forums |
05:39:38 | saratoga | bizzare though |
05:39:41 | saratoga | i swear i didn't delete it |
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06:31:05 | Hunix | does anyone know if you can get snes games to work in rockbox? any plugins? |
06:32:00 | alienbiker99 | no |
06:32:11 | alienbiker99 | no emulator for snes that i know of |
06:32:20 | Hunix | thats what I thought.... |
06:32:35 | Hunix | too bad Earthbound would have been great on the ipod |
06:32:49 | Hunix | Pokeymon will have to do ahah |
06:33:12 | alienbiker99 | code it yourself? idk if the players are fast enough to support a snes emulator |
06:33:17 | Hunix | doubt it |
06:33:42 | Hunix | gbc is like an 8 bit right? |
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06:33:49 | Hunix | whereas snes is 16 |
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06:33:58 | Hunix | so i guess that makes the big difference |
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08:23:14 | LinusN | another day, another USB daughterboard repair... |
08:27:27 | JdGordon | damn those daughterboards... you dont get that sort of insolence from sonboards do you! |
08:29:51 | LinusN | lol |
08:30:05 | Galois | how long did that subversion import take? |
08:31:48 | JdGordon | turned out that the versino of git I was using was borked, and neither of the time things I set worked, so at least 3 huors, probably cose to 4, but I guess alot of that is pulling the data over the network |
08:32:28 | JdGordon | just waste bandwidth if I started it again with the updated git version... so I wont bother |
08:32:31 | Galois | and how much disk space in the end? |
08:32:49 | JdGordon | the .git folder was about 50mb i tihnk |
08:33:03 | JdGordon | + the 30mb of actual sources |
08:33:57 | Galois | hm, mine was 70MB actual sources and 80MB .git |
08:34:44 | Galois | git-svnimport svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox |
08:36:11 | JdGordon | well, like I said, git was borked, so it never actually created any files outisde of the .git |
08:36:44 | Galois | I don't think my git is borked |
08:36:56 | Galois | what git version do you have? |
08:38:06 | JdGordon | it was 1.4.1, updated to their git source aftr it was all done, so now 1.5.1 or sometgng |
08:38:40 | Galois | I have 1.5.0.6 |
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09:05:08 | B4gder | emacs 22! |
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09:05:10 | B4gder | ;-) |
09:06:06 | GodEater | hurray, proper IRC from work again. The relief! |
09:06:25 | B4gder | welcome to the bright side! |
09:06:43 | scorche | B4gder: i was wondering if you were going to comment on that =P |
09:07:10 | GodEater | B4gder: this means my build server should be available again - is there anything you need to do ? |
09:08:22 | B4gder | GodEater: nah, it should just work |
09:08:44 | B4gder | scorche: there's 650USD flying your way, that should make you agree with me more B*] |
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09:09:37 | scorche | emacs scares me =P |
09:09:46 | B4gder | haha |
09:10:01 | DiDjCodt | yeah ! vim rox0rs ! |
09:10:04 | GodEater | B4gder: even though the ip address has changed ? Won't the ssh client complain ? |
09:10:08 | * | DiDjCodt goes out |
09:10:29 | B4gder | GodEater: I use several of them "hush all complaints" options so I don't think it will |
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09:10:44 | B4gder | I'll try a manual connect |
09:11:27 | GodEater | it should have been working since last night - but I don't see any builds in the tree from me |
09:11:39 | B4gder | no, it was acting funny |
09:11:49 | B4gder | rather, the ssh connections seemed to hang |
09:12:08 | GodEater | peculiar |
09:12:20 | GodEater | I'm ssh'd into it now and it appears ok |
09:12:27 | B4gder | I do too ;-) |
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09:12:51 | GodEater | you do what? act funny? :) |
09:13:10 | B4gder | that I do always, so I don't need to mention that |
09:13:14 | GodEater | heheh |
09:14:39 | * | petur can confirm |
09:14:56 | * | petur should also say that LinusN is worse ;) |
09:15:00 | B4gder | hahaha |
09:15:59 | * | GodEater always looks on the bright side of life |
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09:19:11 | * | amiconn only knows 2 things about emacs. (1) the ooold interpretation as an acronym. (2) the Amiga version (memacs), which he didn't like at all. Unintuitive thing... |
09:19:44 | * | GodEater guesses amiconn isn't keen on vi either in that case |
09:20:29 | * | B4gder uses emacs since 1991! |
09:20:30 | amiconn | vi has exactly one advantage: it's available on nearly all *nix systems |
09:20:38 | * | petur settled on anjuta for now |
09:20:47 | B4gder | yeah, vi knowledge is mandatory |
09:21:34 | amiconn | But other than that, it's a horrible editor |
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09:22:26 | * | amiconn shudders thinking about using vi for anything else than the occasional config file editing |
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09:22:50 | * | GodEater quite likes both vi and emacs |
09:23:02 | JdGordon | isnt that by definition impossible? |
09:23:06 | GodEater | well, "like" is perhaps a strong word. I'm comfortable in both. |
09:23:15 | GodEater | JdGordon: you'd think so from the editor wars ;) |
09:23:22 | GodEater | I'm like the Switzerland of those |
09:23:27 | JdGordon | :) |
09:23:33 | B4gder | full of cheese? ;-) |
09:23:38 | Galois | I use both too!! |
09:23:39 | Zagor | amiconn: you don't think you'd learn the program if you used it more frequently? and hence find it less painful. I know people who write all the code (and everything else) in vi. |
09:23:41 | * | JdGordon hates vi and hasnt used emacs |
09:23:51 | * | GodEater likes fondue |
09:23:53 | Zagor | s/the/their |
09:23:56 | scorche | B4gder: think fast!...favorite cheese! |
09:24:20 | B4gder | I can't think fast, not enough coffee yet |
09:24:37 | B4gder | maybe when I grow older I'l learn... |
09:24:47 | B4gder | (add l where you see fit) |
09:25:11 | scorche | havarti > * |
09:25:35 | GodEater | squeaky cheese |
09:25:42 | * | GodEater likes havarti too |
09:25:47 | * | scorche likes the change of topics from editor wars, to cheese wars |
09:25:58 | JdGordon | Zagor: time to close the FS task about FS bugs yet? |
09:26:04 | Zagor | scorche: is that related to haloumi? |
09:26:17 | Zagor | JdGordon: no, the mime bug isn't fixed yet |
09:26:21 | JdGordon | ok |
09:26:23 | Zagor | or is it? |
09:26:35 | JdGordon | Ihavnt seen any warnings lately.. I tink |
09:26:36 | scorche | Zagor: no clue...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havarti |
09:27:14 | amiconn | Zagor: I know that there are people who use vi much. But I can't imagine using it intensively myself. |
09:27:15 | scorche | havarti is very tasty eaten with grapes or apples.....but it is just as tasty alone |
09:27:16 | GodEater | ah, haloumi is the squeaky cheese |
09:27:26 | GodEater | usually cooked |
09:27:32 | amiconn | It's probably because I prefer gui programs in general |
09:27:58 | * | GodEater finds that odd for a man who likes his low level coding |
09:28:09 | Zagor | amiconn: clicketi-click! ;) |
09:28:10 | amiconn | Nano is okay as an editor for the terminal, but even there I wonder why they settled for those Ctrl-* combos instead the F keys |
09:28:36 | Zagor | because many terminals don't have F keys? |
09:28:58 | B4gder | yeah, F keys if very non-unix |
09:29:02 | B4gder | is |
09:29:09 | scorche | are ;) |
09:29:12 | B4gder | darn |
09:29:18 | Galois | gvim for gui! |
09:30:03 | Zagor | even with friendler interface, I fully agree the vi concept (line-editor) feels strange to me |
09:30:13 | amiconn | Possibly, I don't remember |
09:30:24 | * | amiconn used a real *nix terminal once |
09:30:28 | Galois | line editor would be edlin or (eek) sed |
09:30:40 | amiconn | That was like 15 years ago, an hp-ux machine... |
09:30:43 | B4gder | yeah, vi's thing is more the different modes |
09:30:59 | Zagor | Galois: vi is based on the concept of editing lines. you navigate to a line, then edit it. to edit another line, you first have to exit the line you're on. |
09:31:04 | Galois | er, ed? |
09:31:28 | B4gder | Zagor: you can actually remain in "edit mode" even when you change lines |
09:31:28 | LinusN | "Reason for closing: Fixed |
09:31:28 | LinusN | Additional comments about closing: should be fixed |
09:31:28 | LinusN | " |
09:31:35 | Galois | Zagor, the original vi was like that, but vim lets you arrow around while editing |
09:31:42 | LinusN | as in "someone should fix this" :-) |
09:31:48 | Zagor | Galois: gosh! isn't that heresy? ;) |
09:32:06 | scorche | heh...i used to admin around 30 Tru64 workstations a bit ago...twas interesting working with the "real thing" |
09:32:08 | Zagor | LinusN: lovely comment |
09:32:08 | B4gder | Zagor: no real vi user uses vim anyway, would they? :-) |
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09:32:13 | Galois | it's not any worse than viper-mode in emacs |
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09:32:31 | Zagor | viper-mode sounds scarily like a vi mode for emacs |
09:32:37 | Galois | yes, it is |
09:32:40 | B4gder | does vim have an emacs mode? |
09:32:47 | Galois | sadly, no |
09:33:22 | Zagor | mixing emacs and vi, isn't that like mixing matter and anti-matter? |
09:34:06 | B4gder | brings the worst hangovers |
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09:37:04 | * | linuxstb_ mostly uses emacs, but sometimes uses vi for quick little edits |
09:39:16 | * | GodEater was once forced to use edlin on a VAX |
09:39:20 | GodEater | it was horrible |
09:39:43 | Galois | DOS users had to use edlin too |
09:40:10 | * | petur once used 'copy con' to edit a file (which meant typing it completely) |
09:43:09 | basscadet | edlin is very much like unix's ed, i'm told |
09:43:14 | basscadet | which i sometimes use for fun |
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09:45:12 | B4gder | we had a guy back in the C64 days who coded a program by entering weird characters on the screen and then made the computer execute from the screen memory... |
09:45:32 | B4gder | that's a very useful skill |
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09:47:06 | petur | lol |
09:47:15 | petur | visual coding |
09:47:41 | B4gder | wysiwyg! |
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10:08:37 | limbus | re |
10:08:53 | limbus | B4gder, should we have another look at my server ? |
10:09:20 | B4gder | yeah, soon. gotta pretend to do some real work now for a while first |
10:10:07 | limbus | ok |
10:10:26 | limbus | me needs to leave for work too a certain time |
10:10:33 | limbus | so maybe better this evening |
10:10:54 | B4gder | yeah, or if I get time I'll try a bit from my end |
10:10:59 | limbus | sure |
10:11:06 | limbus | everything is set back up |
10:11:21 | limbus | including the chmod +rx on acbuild.pl |
10:11:30 | limbus | which I might have forgotten yesterday |
10:11:42 | limbus | but I don't see in how this may interfere _tat_ way |
10:11:44 | B4gder | yeah, but I did that before I added your server ;-) |
10:11:51 | limbus | good |
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10:18:46 | * | Llorean will never understand the forumgoer's strange fascination with polls. |
10:22:56 | LinusN | i will never understand forumgoers in general |
10:24:12 | * | petur will never understand LinusN ? |
10:24:20 | LinusN | hehe |
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10:24:35 | petur | certainly not when talking Swedish |
10:24:42 | B4gder | petur: sssshhh, we promised the hospital we'd take care of him |
10:25:24 | LinusN | petur: i have actually worked as a chef too - bork! bork! |
10:25:50 | petur | rofl |
10:28:51 | Llorean | Does anyone know if Sansa recording has the same issues that iPod recording has, or if that's related to the hardware we actually have documented for the Sansas? |
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10:31:10 | linuxstb | Llorean: ping |
10:31:49 | Llorean | Present |
10:32:20 | linuxstb | Can you check your PMs? |
10:33:11 | Llorean | I'm not seeing one. |
10:34:04 | GodEater | Llorean: would that be a reference to the ipod IR remote post ? |
10:34:09 | linuxstb | Seems I wasn't logged in... |
10:35:30 | Llorean | GodEater: Well, we get about two or three polls like that a week. Instead of asking "How do I do X" there's a poll asking if anyone knows how to do it. |
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10:36:04 | scorche | there was one not too long ago that was "will you help me?" yes/no |
10:36:20 | GodEater | hahaha |
10:36:24 | pondlife | No! |
10:36:35 | * | GodEater has been enjoying the poll on the bbc website re: London's Olympics Logo. |
10:36:46 | pondlife | Anyone in favour?? |
10:36:50 | GodEater | not many |
10:37:01 | GodEater | you get to rate it as gold, silver, bronze, or wooden spoon. |
10:37:08 | GodEater | Last I looked 85% were wooden spooning it |
10:37:16 | GodEater | including me |
10:37:22 | GodEater | it sucks massively |
10:37:26 | scorche | that....doesnt sound right... |
10:37:29 | GodEater | I can't believe they spent £450,000 on it |
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10:38:02 | GodEater | if you squint at it it looks like Lisa Simpson giving someone a blow job |
10:38:08 | pondlife | lol |
10:38:16 | scorche | link to the logo? |
10:38:20 | * | scorche is too lazy to google |
10:38:31 | pondlife | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6719805.stm |
10:38:35 | GodEater | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6719805.stm |
10:38:39 | GodEater | too slow! |
10:38:40 | pondlife | :) |
10:38:43 | GodEater | curses |
10:38:52 | GodEater | tell me you don't agree now that I've said that |
10:39:06 | pondlife | I can't see the poll.... |
10:39:14 | GodEater | I'll attempt to find that too |
10:39:49 | GodEater | http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/olympics_2012/6718243.stm |
10:39:51 | Llorean | It looks like someone crumpled up some colored paper, through it on the floor, and created the logo from a vector outline of the results. |
10:39:56 | Llorean | threw |
10:40:14 | GodEater | ah, it's received a bit more positive feedback now - but it's still strongly disliked |
10:40:26 | GodEater | Llorean: as I said, it sucks :) |
10:40:53 | pondlife | threw - as in threw up |
10:41:11 | Llorean | Clearly then when deciding a new Rockbox logo we'll need to spend a good deal more than £450,000 just to be safe |
10:41:16 | pondlife | :) |
10:41:39 | pondlife | Maybe we can get taxpayers to pay for a new Rockbox logo? |
10:42:04 | GodEater | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/6719747.stm <−− I preferred the first one here |
10:42:10 | pondlife | Or maybe 2016 will be the first Open Source Olympics. |
10:43:04 | pondlife | GodEater: Number 10 would be ok with the correct font. |
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10:43:58 | GodEater | pondlife: I think that one's a little too contrived |
10:44:14 | pondlife | Maybe... I like contrived though. |
10:44:32 | GodEater | heh |
10:46:23 | pondlife | amiconn: As requested... dailty reminder for http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7249... :) |
10:46:29 | pondlife | daily, even |
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10:51:58 | * | amiconn would prefer that in the evening ;) |
10:57:23 | JdGordon | pondlife: hey, is your follow playlist bug still happening? I never managed to reproduce it |
10:58:37 | JdGordon | haha, the recording icon on this icon set is an angry face :D |
10:59:43 | * | linuxstb wonders if recording on the Sansa has the same problem as the ipods and H10 - that it breaks playback after a recording |
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11:00:01 | JdGordon | tell you in a sec... |
11:00:09 | Llorean | I was wondering the same thing. |
11:00:28 | JdGordon | if I can work out the rec screen keys |
11:00:47 | * | linuxstb was hoping jhMike would experience that problem on his Sansa and find the solution... |
11:00:57 | JdGordon | playback is fine after a recrding... |
11:01:12 | JdGordon | unless there is more to it than just startin an mp3 after leaving the rec screen? |
11:01:28 | Llorean | No, that'd break it on iPods I believe. |
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11:02:21 | JdGordon | yep, did 2 recordings, playback worksfine aftr them |
11:03:00 | pixelma | JdGordon: now you can try the recording dir patch with removeable cards yourself ;) |
11:03:06 | JdGordon | yep |
11:03:36 | JdGordon | we als now have _another_ target with a dedicated rec button and nothing using it |
11:05:20 | JdGordon | does anyone else think a really simple "dictaphone" mode would be usefull? i.e as long as the rec button is held it records? |
11:05:40 | * | scorche has his phone for that |
11:06:03 | pondlife | JdGordon: Sorry, haven't updated my H300 yet and that bug never happens on the sim.. |
11:06:20 | pondlife | Will do now though |
11:06:44 | JdGordon | it definatly doesnt happen on my e200, and i thnik i've tried on the h300 but hadnt seen it |
11:07:02 | pondlife | You need to be quite quick perhaps. |
11:07:22 | pondlife | It seems to be a race condition involving buffering |
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11:07:44 | JdGordon | oh? so maybe I misunderstood the report? |
11:07:59 | pondlife | It's certainly not a list issue :) |
11:08:15 | * | JdGordon can ginore it then :) |
11:08:33 | * | amiconn isn't sure which bug pondlife is referring to |
11:08:43 | petur | JdGordon: the list code still acts strange: go from top to bottom and keep scrolling up. The selector first moves to the top of the screen and then the whole list moves down so the selector bar is 1/3 from the top. |
11:08:59 | amiconn | Follow playlist has been buggy for months (though I didn't update any of my targets since list accel went in) |
11:09:26 | pondlife | amiconn: : This is specifically http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7244 |
11:09:51 | JdGordon | petur: with svn? |
11:10:24 | petur | yes |
11:11:08 | petur | just try it in 'browse plugins' |
11:11:50 | JdGordon | works fine here... never goes above the 3rd line on the screen untill its at the top of the list again... |
11:11:54 | pondlife | JdGordon: Yep, still selecting the wrong track reliably... |
11:12:01 | amiconn | pondlife: Aha. Different bug then |
11:12:06 | petur | hmmmm |
11:12:26 | pondlife | amiconn: Yes, this is a new-ish one. |
11:12:55 | petur | JdGordon: I'll check again tonight, no time now |
11:12:58 | pondlife | if shuffle is enabled, it can be seen to be picking the next track to play, not necessarily the next one in the list.. |
11:12:59 | JdGordon | ok |
11:13:09 | amiconn | The bug that annoys me all the time is that follow playlist doesn't work at all when entering the browser after playback stopped (both manually or because the playlist ended) |
11:14:01 | pondlife | Shouldn't it just remember the last track that was being played, regardless? |
11:14:41 | JdGordon | amiconn: you mean it doesnt go into the browser? or it selects the wrong track? |
11:14:45 | pondlife | Ah, I see. If I STOP from WPS it just goes back the last selected place in the browser. |
11:14:53 | amiconn | It doesn't select the last played track |
11:14:57 | pondlife | ..back to... |
11:15:42 | amiconn | Yes, it goes back to wherever you left the browser (and to the root when the playlist was just resumed at startup) |
11:15:46 | JdGordon | well, once the playback has stopped, how is it supposed to know which track was beign played? |
11:15:52 | JdGordon | I didnt tinhk thats stored anywhere |
11:16:13 | amiconn | The wps should set the filetree context to the current track whenever the track changes |
11:16:24 | * | pondlife has a vague suggestion about combining follow playlist and resume into the bookmark handling... |
11:16:40 | amiconn | At least that is what it used to do |
11:16:51 | * | JdGordon has a vague suggestion of deleteing tree.c and a few ther files and starting again :p |
11:17:06 | pondlife | Is the filetree context saved when you power off? |
11:17:07 | JdGordon | amiconn: that could work... definatly better than whats happening now |
11:17:14 | JdGordon | pno |
11:17:19 | JdGordon | pondlife: : no even |
11:17:26 | amiconn | The only situation where this wouldn't work would be if you start a plugin while playing music, and the playlist ends when yoU#re still in the plugin |
11:18:04 | amiconn | Then the browser would show the track you were playing when starting the plugin... not a big issue, and that's btw also what it used to do |
11:18:13 | JdGordon | you also have the problem where if you are i the browser and the track changes it will screw the browser |
11:18:19 | amiconn | nope |
11:18:38 | amiconn | Because when you're in the browser, the wps code isn't running, hence can't change the filetree context |
11:19:05 | JdGordon | true... I thought you meant the playback code would change the track... |
11:19:30 | * | amiconn said wps because he meant wps.... |
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11:19:49 | JdGordon | yeah yeah :p trying to follow too many convos at once here.. |
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11:21:32 | pondlife | Why not have the playlist code keep track of the current track and then all "follow playlist" has to do is make the browser interrogate for a default position when it's displayed? |
11:21:45 | pondlife | That would then handle the plugin case too, no? |
11:22:23 | JdGordon | thats nicer than the wps doing it imo |
11:22:32 | pondlife | So... why isn't it working?? |
11:22:33 | pondlife | :) |
11:22:49 | * | JdGordon twiddles nose |
11:22:51 | JdGordon | all fixed |
11:23:36 | pondlife | Hmm, was there a check on playback status that should have been "is there a last played track"? |
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11:25:52 | pondlife | amiconn: Sorry, but I'd like to commit FS #7249 - could you just see if this was what your intention was? No need to check the code, just to see if the idea is correct. |
11:26:30 | pondlife | i.e. The .talk clip checking is now enabled/disabled seperately, and used if enabled and clip exists. |
11:26:42 | JdGordon | is there a track changed event which can be hooked like the ata_notify "event" ? |
11:26:56 | pondlife | Otherwise use spelling/numbers if configured. |
11:27:18 | pondlife | JdGordon: There should be... look at the scrobbler code maybe? |
11:27:43 | pondlife | But there is also a "track unbuffer" event which isn't the same thing, so don't use that! |
11:28:10 | pixelma | I don't think that's a good idea (to look at the scrobbler code) - it doesn't really work on Archod |
11:28:14 | pixelma | *Archos too |
11:28:27 | pondlife | Well it ought to... |
11:28:42 | pondlife | But we shouldn't rely on unreliable events. |
11:28:59 | * | pondlife thinks JDGordon may have found something else to fix first :p |
11:29:12 | pixelma | and iirc the first track isn't logged on swcodec too |
11:29:26 | JdGordon | scrobller seems to do it in the codec_load_next_track() function... |
11:29:48 | pondlife | Urgh. That's not a good idea. (And it's SWCODEC only) |
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11:30:09 | JdGordon | does something like the ata_notify for this sound like a good idea? |
11:30:22 | pixelma | strange thing is that once in a while it logs a folder on Archos too... |
11:30:30 | pondlife | :) |
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11:30:43 | pondlife | Hmm, there's no playback.c on Archos - how can that be? |
11:30:45 | pixelma | never found a clue about the circumstances |
11:31:03 | Nico_P | pondlife: the playback code for archos is in firmware/ |
11:31:19 | JdGordon | mpeg.c isnt it? |
11:31:26 | Nico_P | mp3 something and mpeg.c I think |
11:31:29 | pixelma | I believe obo tried to use the ata_notify there too, there's a bug report about it... |
11:31:43 | pixelma | trying to find it |
11:31:53 | pondlife | Yes, but is codec_load_next_track() in there too? |
11:32:01 | JdGordon | ata_notify wouldnt work well... I guess it could be used as a horrible hack... |
11:32:29 | petur | there is at least one logscrobbler patch in the tracker that fixes some issues but probably not the HWCODEC problem |
11:32:29 | pondlife | ata_notify wouldn't work as it's only called when we spin up, right? |
11:32:43 | pondlife | We change track much more often than we spin up. |
11:32:49 | pondlife | Potentially. |
11:33:14 | petur | can't we have events sent to queues by the playback engine? |
11:33:31 | JdGordon | pondlife: no on hwcodec... it would work because most tracks are >2mb... |
11:34:14 | pondlife | Yes, but think unified... one day! |
11:34:20 | * | JdGordon has an idea... |
11:34:25 | * | pondlife runs and hides |
11:34:47 | JdGordon | how about a SYS_TRACKCHANGED event which is broadcast like the other ones... then it would be handled by the default handler? |
11:34:56 | JdGordon | that would work on hw and sw codec |
11:35:05 | * | petur was suggesting that |
11:35:10 | JdGordon | as long as any extra data could be got at |
11:35:15 | pondlife | Do we even need an event for this? |
11:35:22 | * | JdGordon missed petur's comment |
11:36:26 | pondlife | It's just a bit more global state - "last started track"... |
11:36:26 | JdGordon | doing an event would mean not having to worry about the platform... and would simplfy playback.c by removing code which doesnt belong there |
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11:38:00 | pondlife | JdGordon: Are you meaning to also revamp the buggy scrobbling? |
11:38:14 | JdGordon | that would be a very nice side effect... |
11:38:26 | amiconn | There is a track_changed event... but iirc these events (track_buffer, track_changed and track_unbuffer) only support a single callback |
11:40:28 | pondlife | Both the scrobbler and the database could both consume this sort of event... they need to know both the start of a new track and what happened to the previous track (i.e. skipped, how far through, playback stopped)... |
11:40:30 | pixelma | related bugreport http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/6639 |
11:41:38 | pondlife | Can a Rockbox system event have multiple recipients? I assume so.... |
11:41:43 | JdGordon | amiconn: yeah, looks like that is the case... there are a few events which playback.c triggers, but they are all single callback |
11:42:09 | pondlife | I'm all for removing that stuff from playback.c. |
11:42:56 | amiconn | how? |
11:43:12 | pondlife | No idea! But it's certainly not SWCODEC-only... |
11:43:19 | amiconn | Only playback knows when a track is buffered or unbuffered |
11:43:31 | amiconn | And for hwcodec, mpeg.c supports the same callbacks |
11:43:51 | * | amiconn added them, back when the first db was being developed |
11:44:00 | pondlife | Why s buffering/unbuffering the event. Track playback started/finished would be more useful, no? |
11:44:31 | amiconn | A trackchange event does also exist |
11:44:58 | amiconn | The buffer/unbuffer events exist to prevent extra spinups in conjunction with some database features |
11:45:15 | pondlife | Doesn't the database only update on ata_notify now? |
11:45:22 | pondlife | In which case it can avoid spinups... |
11:45:46 | pondlife | I mean the runtime stuff, of course. Not the db building. |
11:45:57 | amiconn | idk |
11:46:14 | * | amiconn never used the runtime stuff (or rating) with the new db |
11:46:34 | * | pondlife tried, but has to rebuild too often (and forgets to export/import). |
11:46:35 | * | amiconn doesn't understand the purpose of rating |
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11:47:07 | amiconn | Why should I rate songs on my own player? I know what I like... |
11:47:37 | Slasheri | pondlife: currently db format is rarely changing so no need to export/import often :) |
11:47:45 | scorche | one would think that you would just not put ones that would be "rated low" on the device in the first place |
11:47:58 | Slasheri | amiconn: you can for example "tag" songs by giving them some number code |
11:47:59 | pondlife | Slasheri: Yes, but if I rebuild (reinit), doesn't it lose the runtime info |
11:48:04 | JdGordon | scorche: not when you have a 80gb hard disk.... |
11:48:06 | Slasheri | i use that feature just for tagging |
11:48:20 | scorche | i have a 160gb hard disk and i do |
11:48:29 | Slasheri | pondlife: yes, but why would you need to do that? |
11:48:29 | LinusN | amiconn: well, to rate music, you need to listen to it in the first place, and the dap is a listening device, so... |
11:48:32 | JdGordon | you use flacs do you? |
11:48:46 | pixelma | JdGordon: on Archos? |
11:48:47 | scorche | this is on my archos, so mp3 only |
11:49:00 | amiconn | LinusN: Yes, but when I listened to the music, I know what I like. And tracks I don't like are simply deleted... |
11:49:04 | pondlife | I like most of the music on my DAP, but I rate stuff for "general" consumption - i.e. party-friendliness... |
11:49:06 | JdGordon | you have 160+gb of mp3s? |
11:49:17 | scorche | yes...i like music =) |
11:49:22 | JdGordon | wow |
11:50:12 | scorche | and the majority of them, i need to re-encode from the souce to something like APX (i ripped most when i didnt know what was decent) |
11:50:24 | pondlife | Anyway, first thing to do is to work out which events (and what data) is needed by the consumers (scrobbler, database,...).. |
11:50:49 | pondlife | Then see if system events will allow this to work, and be simpler. |
11:51:03 | pondlife | (and which events are needed) |
11:51:38 | JdGordon | I have an idea for a genetic callback system which I can already tell is far from KISS but shuold be nice and efficient and work |
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11:51:47 | JdGordon | pauls back! |
11:51:55 | Llorean | Hehehe |
11:52:05 | * | Llorean banishes Paul to the dark regions. |
11:52:05 | scorche | but, is it worth doing this, instead of just moving forward with the unification? ;) |
11:52:08 | pondlife | Woah, schizophrenia! |
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11:52:22 | pondlife | scorche: This will help with unification. |
11:52:32 | pondlife | It's one less aspect to deal with. |
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11:52:50 | Llorean | Zagor: Thanks, you were right, I was expecting things to be far more complicated than they are, my phone works lovely under Linux. |
11:52:54 | pondlife | Also it might actually fix bugs |
11:53:18 | Zagor | Llorean: nice, congratulations! |
11:53:21 | scorche | but, is it just something that would get written over again if/when the unification comes? |
11:53:34 | JdGordon | scorche: no |
11:54:01 | Slasheri | pondlife: btw, the database update should work quite well atm, at least currently i don't know any bugs that exists with it (with the very latest code) |
11:54:09 | * | scorche pops back into his corner then |
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11:54:20 | pondlife | Slasheri: Maybe I've not trusted the update enough. |
11:55:05 | pondlife | Certainly I've found that auto-update resulted in a broken (or very incomplete) database in the past... |
11:55:06 | Slasheri | pondlife: and if it fails, please report the problem :) |
11:55:11 | Slasheri | not using it isn't a solution |
11:55:17 | pondlife | Of course :) |
11:55:23 | Slasheri | yes, that is true in the past |
11:55:43 | pondlife | I just got into a habit of re-initing when I loaded new music. |
11:56:25 | Slasheri | :) |
11:57:19 | * | amiconn always does a full init when changing sth |
11:57:37 | LinusN | that's a general problem for us developers, we don't use all the features of rockbox ourselves |
11:58:09 | Llorean | And a lot of the discussion of problems with those features happens 'out of earshot' like at misticriver or anythingbutipod. |
11:58:14 | LinusN | we don't eat our own dog food - it's disgusting! :-) |
11:59:21 | LinusN | wasn't it paul newman who literally ate his own dog food on the letterman show? |
11:59:38 | * | petur learns that Sweden has a ban on importing alcohol and wonders how his luggage ever made it without being emptied |
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12:00:08 | LinusN | well, you can import it if you carry it yourself |
12:00:15 | GodEater | LinusN: paid someone off at the airport |
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12:00:55 | petur | LinusN: ah... I'm reading an article that the EU doesn't like it so maybe good news for you guys ;) |
12:01:02 | LinusN | yup :-) |
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12:09:30 | XavierGr | Linus: do you have any kind of tips about soldering smd LEDs to normal or transformer wire? |
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12:24:32 | pondlife | JdGordon: Quick list acceleration question? |
12:24:48 | JdGordon | if you must :D |
12:25:13 | pondlife | If I hold DOWN on a long long list, it accelerates several times.. then slows oown and re-accelerates... |
12:25:19 | pondlife | If that makes any sense |
12:25:22 | XavierGr | http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/5275/ondio1kt0.jpg |
12:25:22 | XavierGr | http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9821/ondio2ff7.jpg |
12:25:22 | XavierGr | http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8364/ondio3ri3.jpg |
12:25:34 | XavierGr | some pics of my ondio backlight attempts |
12:25:36 | pondlife | I'd expect it to get to full speed and then stay there until I release |
12:25:55 | XavierGr | failed miserably cause I can't close the damn case without breaking the connection between the smd leds :( |
12:26:38 | B4gder | ipodpatcher for windows, has already been downloaded >2000 times during June 2007 from the download server |
12:26:59 | Llorean | >2000 in 5 daysish |
12:27:00 | JdGordon | pondlife: thats odd... |
12:27:09 | B4gder | 4 days of logs |
12:27:12 | pondlife | On H300 target with current SVN |
12:27:17 | Llorean | That's a lot of installations |
12:27:32 | B4gder | the online html manual for ipod video is the single most downloaded file on that server |
12:27:32 | pondlife | I wonder how many Rockbox users there are in total... |
12:27:58 | B4gder | that is, the front page of it |
12:28:01 | Llorean | B4gder: Possibly because every time someone looks at it, they come in here to ask a question and four of us have to go double check that it's in the manual before suggesting they re-read it. ;) |
12:28:10 | B4gder | hehe, yeah |
12:28:10 | pondlife | JdGordon: Are there acceleration settings? If so, where? |
12:28:25 | Llorean | pondlife: Off the top of your head, what percentage of Rockbox users would you assume ever register for the forums? |
12:28:25 | B4gder | rockdoom.zip, downloaded 568 times |
12:28:48 | pondlife | Llorean: Not many.... I';d guess 10% |
12:28:49 | JdGordon | pondlife: display > scorlling |
12:28:58 | Llorean | pondlife: Based off that guess we'd have 100,000 users then |
12:29:01 | Llorean | ish |
12:29:09 | PaulJam | JdGordon: concerning FS #7237, are you sure that this is fixed? for me it still happens in the h300 uisimulator. i haven't tried on the target yet. |
12:29:10 | B4gder | I would guess less than 10% |
12:29:12 | pondlife | Wooah |
12:29:33 | pondlife | JdGordon: Hah, I assumed Scrolling meant "horizontal/long-line scrolling" |
12:29:34 | pondlife | ! |
12:30:04 | JdGordon | PaulJam: which s that? the multi-line lists? |
12:30:34 | pondlife | Hmm, lots of options - I'm on default settings for them all I think. |
12:31:10 | JdGordon | bottom 2 are for acceleration |
12:31:22 | PaulJam | JdGordon: yes, here is the link: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7237 |
12:31:43 | JdGordon | pondlife: maybe a stary BUTTON_NONE gets in and messes it up? |
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12:32:20 | JdGordon | PaulJam: ah yeah, I thought it was fixed? the only place i know its not 100% is on the remote lcd when there is only 3 lines on the display |
12:32:25 | JdGordon | everywhere else it works |
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12:32:37 | * | JdGordon didnt want to add extra code for that case |
12:34:18 | pixelma | pondlife: what list are you scrolling through? |
12:34:21 | amiconn | Slasheri: Btw, did you fix the double query issue? It seems to be fixed... |
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12:35:44 | DerPapst | B4gder: how are you able to check how often a certain file was downloaded? |
12:35:58 | pondlife | JdGordon: Maybe, it looks like that. |
12:36:06 | B4gder | DerPapst: web server stats |
12:36:14 | pondlife | pixelma: My database All Tracks - 20000 of them |
12:37:05 | amiconn | XavierGr: I told you, didn't I? |
12:37:12 | DerPapst | B4gder: i mean is there any fancy command i can do on my webserver to see how often file was downloaded on my server? |
12:37:28 | B4gder | awstats is nice |
12:37:28 | pondlife | Llorean: Out of interest, what % of users would you reckon bother registering for a forum? |
12:37:35 | amiconn | If you want to be able to close the case and have a decent backlight, the only solution is EL |
12:37:36 | DerPapst | add a "a" where it fits |
12:37:46 | pondlife | I may be biased because I prefer IRC and newsgroups... |
12:38:15 | DerPapst | B4gder: ah ok. i thought there was some build in magic :P |
12:39:11 | pixelma | pondlife: I was told that it stops after scrolling the lines that are set in "max files in dir" due to "chunked scrolling" when I abserved these short interrupts when browsing that list on my Ondio... don't know if it should happen on H300 too |
12:39:25 | Llorean | pondlife: I'd guess less than 10%, but I really couldn't say. I mean, a lot of them probably never even see our forums. |
12:39:47 | pondlife | pixelma: Good point... it's very regular. |
12:39:57 | pondlife | I'll try different settings there. |
12:40:09 | PaulJam | JdGordon: i just tried it on my h300 with the current build and there it happens too. in the main display. with all settings reset except for paged scrolling. |
12:40:55 | JdGordon | ok crap, guess it needs reopening then :( |
12:41:03 | linuxstb | B4gder: Is there a reason there's no webserver stats page? I thought you liked stats... ;) |
12:41:42 | pondlife | JdGordon: I can confirm it's related to the "Max files in directory" setting. |
12:41:53 | B4gder | linuxstb: not really, but Zagor is the guy for most of the web server admin stuff on that server |
12:41:53 | pondlife | It resets when it starts a new chunk. |
12:42:09 | pondlife | With that setting up at 10000 (!) it works lovely... |
12:42:59 | JdGordon | pondlife: wtf? must be stalling the code for more than HZ/10 then... |
12:43:43 | XavierGr | amiconn: yes you are right indeed, I am going to try once more with a smaller trasformer wire. smd leds and the transistor with the resistor can fit in the case it is just so difficult with all the wirings not break them when you try to close it |
12:43:45 | pondlife | Probably takes longer than that to read the next chunk (sometimes)? |
12:44:09 | pondlife | JdGordon: Do we really need this to be timing dependent on non-wheel targets? |
12:44:53 | JdGordon | sort of... |
12:45:10 | JdGordon | although, maybe not seen as button targets send button_rel events |
12:45:11 | pixelma | amiconn explained this chunked browsing effect a while ago... |
12:45:12 | pondlife | One other point, PLAY + UP does a paged scroll, but repeat events seem to do a line-by-line accelerated scroll |
12:45:39 | pondlife | It should be using paged scrolling until the user releases PLAY. |
12:45:54 | pondlife | Or until the user releases UP/DOWN... |
12:46:51 | Nico_P | wow recording code added 32K on the e200 ?? |
12:47:40 | JdGordon | the e200 always seems t have huge deltas |
12:47:52 | JdGordon | gcc-arm sucks? |
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12:48:45 | JdGordon | ok, my callbcks abominatio is almost finished, I'm heading out for a few houos.. shuold i stick it on FS or leve it till i get back? |
12:49:59 | JdGordon | bassically, all I've done is make the ata_notify code much more generic |
12:50:06 | pondlife | FS is always good in my book. |
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12:50:31 | Nico_P | woohoo ! green delta :D |
12:50:50 | pondlife | JdGordon: How can you even consider going out when you've not completed the callback work??? ;p |
12:51:38 | JdGordon | yeah yeah, i kow :D |
12:51:49 | pondlife | moo |
12:52:09 | JdGordon | :) |
12:52:47 | JdGordon | http://rafb.net/p/7TrQdf46.html |
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13:48:59 | markun | scorche: what's APX? |
13:49:33 | pondlife | I'm not convinced it's reasonable to rely on timing for this purpose... if the key is still down, it's still down. Scrollwheels may need something timing related, but maybe in their button drivers? |
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13:57:45 | intgr | GodEater: You should also consider other distributed RCSes too −− all of them provide the same basic features that Linus talked about. |
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13:59:36 | crop | Nico_P: In your last commit, I find the lines "bmp_names[MAX_IMAGES] = wps_bufptr + 1;" and "bmp_names[MAX_IMAGES + 1] = wps_bufptr + 1;" a little bit confusing. I'd rather use "bmp_names[MAX_BITMAPS-2] = wps_bufptr + 1;" and "bmp_names[MAX_BITMAPS-1] = wps_bufptr + 1;" The effective index is the same but it's now clear that we're not writing beyond the end of array. |
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14:00:26 | GodEater | intgr: few of them possess the same speed |
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14:01:05 | intgr | git totally sucks at speed when you don't have the majority of your repository in the disk cache. |
14:01:18 | GodEater | define "totally sucks at speed" |
14:02:00 | intgr | Tapping fingers and listening to the HD grinding insanely, wondering if the disk surrenders before git finishes. |
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14:02:29 | GodEater | intgr: you can suggest an alternative |
14:02:31 | GodEater | ? |
14:03:11 | intgr | Mercurial is the only contestant performance-wise, theoretically. |
14:03:21 | intgr | Haven't tried it out with repositories as large as Linux though. |
14:03:24 | GodEater | this is commerical however isn't it ? |
14:03:30 | intgr | No |
14:03:39 | intgr | http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/ |
14:05:13 | intgr | But quite a few big projects are using Mercurial these days; including Java, OpenSolaris and Mozilla. |
14:05:21 | GodEater | I see that from the site :) |
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14:11:22 | B4gder | well, all somewhat used SCMs can boast lots of projects ;-) |
14:11:57 | * | petur sees no reason to move away from svn in near-term |
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14:21:20 | GodEater | eww, mercurial is implemented in python? |
14:21:33 | idnar | of course |
14:21:59 | B4gder | there must be at least one scm for every script language! ;-) |
14:22:11 | B4gder | s/for/written in |
14:22:37 | B4gder | haskell anyone? B-] |
14:22:45 | GodEater | already is one |
14:22:55 | GodEater | dARC I think |
14:22:57 | idnar | darcs |
14:22:58 | B4gder | yes |
14:23:13 | GodEater | that's the one |
14:23:13 | linuxstb | vbscript ? |
14:23:24 | idnar | SourceSafe is written in vbscript, write? |
14:23:24 | GodEater | now you're just being silly |
14:23:25 | Zagor | no more python code on our server, PLEASE |
14:23:25 | idnar | *right |
14:23:27 | idnar | *duck* |
14:23:35 | * | GodEater is with Zagor on this one |
14:23:45 | idnar | what's wrong with python code? |
14:23:50 | idnar | (not that I care) |
14:23:55 | GodEater | the headaches it gives Zagor mostly |
14:24:10 | Zagor | it changes filenames for half the library every few releases |
14:24:24 | Zagor | so building chroots for it is a major headache |
14:25:24 | GodEater | as a result, I think it'll be a cold day in hell before mercurial is used by Rockbox |
14:26:00 | B4gder | and we only chose systems that have my code in them... :-P |
14:26:48 | Zagor | haha |
14:26:59 | LinusN | company policy |
14:26:59 | B4gder | hm, but I think mercurial does |
14:29:07 | linuxstb | B4gder: Does git comply with that policy? |
14:29:12 | B4gder | yeps |
14:29:17 | B4gder | they're heavy libcurl users |
14:30:05 | B4gder | actually, very many SCMs these days use it, but not svn |
14:30:27 | B4gder | in svn I had to do a massive amount of commits - every single one of my 17 commits were invaluable! |
14:30:53 | * | B4gder is a hit and run committer |
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14:32:59 | Zagor | B4gder: is svn using a native network implementation or some other library? |
14:33:32 | B4gder | it uses/used neon |
14:33:42 | B4gder | going now towards serf |
14:33:58 | B4gder | serf being an apache project to write a... http library |
14:34:33 | Zagor | how NIH of them |
14:34:35 | B4gder | a slight case of nih |
14:34:37 | B4gder | yes |
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14:36:41 | Zagor | so what is the "official" reason to not use libcurl? |
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14:36:53 | Zagor | it doesn't have an apache.org address? ;) |
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14:37:09 | B4gder | there was no real decision, one of the more core dudes write neon and neon is webdav and svn uses webdav |
14:37:33 | B4gder | when going to serf, they said they wanted something that used APR and other apache concepts |
14:37:54 | B4gder | and going serf they did because neon isn't good enough |
14:38:03 | B4gder | for things like pipelining etc |
14:38:06 | tumu | any update on fs#6896, the sansa lcd corruption bug? |
14:38:09 | Zagor | so let's rewrite it once more... |
14:38:31 | B4gder | ah yes, they also wanted a pull interface instead of the pull one of neon |
14:38:37 | B4gder | isntead of the push one |
14:39:30 | B4gder | libcurl of course offers both ways ;-) |
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15:56:50 | JdGordon | GodEater: it went bad, my git version was too old or something, git-svnimport seemed to work except only the .git folder was created... not wasting the bandwidth to try again though |
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16:16:40 | JdGordon | hey Nico_P |
16:16:49 | Nico_P | hi |
16:16:58 | JdGordon | is the only cuesheet code in playback.c the one variable which is commented for it/ |
16:17:12 | JdGordon | prev_track_elapsed |
16:17:37 | crop | err... nico_p has arrived? |
16:17:46 | Nico_P | crop: yes :) |
16:18:07 | Nico_P | JdGordon: I don't really understand what you mean but prev_track_elapsed has nothing to do with cuesheet |
16:18:20 | JdGordon | crap.. sorry, i meant scrobbler |
16:18:24 | JdGordon | which isnt your patch... |
16:18:27 | * | JdGordon shuts up |
16:18:50 | crop | Nico_P: any comment to the msg from 13:59? It's more philosophy than real code but... |
16:19:13 | * | Nico_P goes get the log |
16:20:45 | Nico_P | crop: good point... I also considered adding defines... something like PB_BMP and BACKDROP_BMP |
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16:22:25 | Nico_P | the problem with "MAX_BITMAPS-2" and "MAX_BITMAPS-1" is that if someone wants to add a new bitmap (for example the progressbar slider bitmap), MAX_BITMAPS would be incremented, so MAX_BITMAPS-1 wouldn't be the same thing |
16:22:40 | Nico_P | whereas MAX_IMAGES+1 is still the same thing regardless of MAX_BITMAPS |
16:24:33 | Nico_P | anyway maybe I should add a few comments about all this |
16:26:00 | crop | Nico_P: yes, special names would be even better |
16:26:19 | Nico_P | crop: also there's something that doesn't work with what you suggested : the value of MAX_BITMAPS depends on the target's screen |
16:26:30 | Nico_P | (LCD_DEPTH > 1 or not) |
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16:31:32 | crop | Nico_P: isn't the piece of code ifdef'ed? Anyway: I wrote it immediately under the impression of the index MAX_xxx + 1. |
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16:45:41 | kynes | hi everyone, I've got a project idea (may be useless.. yet it's an idea) |
16:45:57 | kynes | there's a text-to-speech project now on google soc |
16:46:14 | kynes | my idea is speech-to-text just for calling files/artist folders/songs |
16:46:32 | kynes | this would be great for blind people |
16:46:52 | B4gder | kynes: I bet you'll get lots of testers when you submit your patch! |
16:46:58 | kynes | or even people who'd like to just "call" their songs from headphones w. microphones |
16:48:18 | Nico_P | kynes: this isn't widespread even on desktop computers, so I don't see how it could possibly be done on a DAP |
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16:48:34 | Nico_P | speeche recognition is very complex |
16:48:39 | kynes | my idea is that, today, many mp3 album folders include album art with them.. consider they also included a "name record", that is the name of the song recorded by a good intonation, that can be matched with error detection checks |
16:49:34 | kynes | when matched, it would bring the name from the hashtable or just return the name as a string.. I just came up with this because I don't think that mp3 domain is not a big domain to do this |
16:49:43 | kynes | the general problem is though |
16:49:48 | markun | things like this are done in mobile phones |
16:49:55 | kynes | but matching specific names shouldn't be that tough |
16:50:08 | markun | kynes: maybe you can look for some open source projects which can do it |
16:50:09 | kynes | markun, yes I know.. |
16:50:44 | kynes | markun, you mean open source projects for mobile phones? |
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16:51:01 | Nico_P | if you have a hashtable with prerecorded sample it's probably simpler but with the number of audio files you can have on a DAP it would probably still be quite hard |
16:51:07 | markun | no, just techniques for very simple speech recognition |
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16:51:37 | kynes | markun, yes I plan to get involved |
16:51:38 | Nico_P | I know about that on mobile phones, but you generally only have it for a small number of your contacts |
16:51:58 | markun | but simple things like "stop", "next", "back" could probably work |
16:52:27 | Nico_P | yes |
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16:53:27 | kynes | markun, doing incremental speech recognition and using it for incremental search on a suffix array could decrease search time.. yet you're right, the problem's tough |
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16:59:55 | Nico_P | crop: see my commit from roughly now |
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17:00:33 | Nico_P | it also happens to fix a possible but very unlikely bug on targets with a monochrome screen and a progressbar bitmap |
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17:01:26 | * | JdGordon slaps Nico_P |
17:01:38 | JdGordon | sif commit right when i do a new checkout on the old revision! |
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17:01:54 | Nico_P | haha sorry about that |
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17:03:35 | JdGordon | :) gives me practice doing git-svn fetch :p |
17:03:37 | bluebrother | hmm. Why move to another version control system again? |
17:03:49 | bluebrother | any problems with svn? |
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17:05:04 | JdGordon | coz its more interesting than studying |
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17:05:49 | crop | Nico_P: is "for (n = 0; n < BACKDROP_BMP; n++)" (line 935) always safe? Isn't some sort of #if necessary? |
17:06:15 | crop | And then: BACKDROP_BMP is defined even if the dap doesn't support them. |
17:06:19 | Nico_P | no, because I defined BACKDROP_BMP even when the target isn't capable of backdrop |
17:06:46 | gromit` | nin |
17:06:50 | gromit` | oops sorry |
17:07:12 | crop | Nico_P: yes, that's what I meant. I think it's not very clean. |
17:07:48 | Nico_P | crop: I didn't find a better way... it could've been PROGRESSBAR_BMP+1 but I wanted to make it clear that it was supposed to be "all bitmaps but the backdrop" |
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17:09:54 | linuxstb | What about putting those images at the start, and defining something like FIRST_USER_BITMAP ? |
17:10:15 | Nico_P | what I really wanted was MAX_BITMAPS if there's no backdrop support and MAX_BITMAPS-1 if there is backdrop support (in the previous commit I used MAX_BITMAPS-1, which could have caused the bug I mentioned a bit earlier)... BACKDROP_BMP is equivalent to that |
17:10:16 | crop | Nico_P: maybe use "<=PROGRESSBAR_BMP"? |
17:10:28 | Nico_P | crop yes but that's still no good if you add bitmaps |
17:11:02 | crop | I like the idea by linuxstb. Put the variable part at the start |
17:12:19 | Nico_P | the problem is that these "named bitmaps" are accessed much more than the progressbar and backdrop bitmaps, so it would mean replacing "n" by "FIRST_USER_BMP + n" in a lot of places |
17:12:29 | crop | Is such a nitpicking ok here? |
17:13:18 | Nico_P | or maybe what I'm saying is stupid because we're just talking about the names array here... |
17:14:04 | crop | Why shouldn't the backdrop be processed in that loop? Why is it so special? |
17:14:40 | Nico_P | it needs to be loaded with load_wps_backdrop() or load_remote_wps_backdrop() |
17:15:38 | crop | So we can't make it completely generic... hrm... |
17:16:16 | Nico_P | yes it's annoying... what made me want to make it more generic is the problems I had when considering tarred BMP support |
17:17:26 | Nico_P | about linuxstb's idea... I'm not sure it's much better because it would introduce a shift between the indices for the names array and the indices for the actual wps images array... it would be a bit confusing IMO |
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17:18:40 | crop | Nico_P: well, if the fixing is not very trivial then the current code is good enough. You surely have other things to do so don't worry about it! :-) |
17:18:56 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Do the names of the progressbar and backdrop bitmaps need to be in the array at all? |
17:19:35 | Nico_P | linuxstb: before today they were in separate variables, but honestly I prefer them being in the array |
17:20:54 | Nico_P | it allows doing almost everything in single loops instead of having special cases all the time, and if we were to add other special bitmaps, the benefit would be even greater |
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17:34:26 | PaulJam | JdGordon: i have just noticed a strange behaviour. when i enter a directory in the fileteree it appears as empty but it shows an empty scrollbar. the files are there and if i press navi the file starts to play. the files become visible again when i press up, so that it jumps to the end of the list. |
17:35:45 | PaulJam | do you have an idea what could cause that or should i try to investigate this furter. (this happens only with one directory, the others work fine) |
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17:39:14 | GodEater | question about the callback patch, which probably has a really simple answer, and will make me feel very dumb. Why can't the current system work? Surely all you do is write one function for the callback which then calls all the other things you need? |
17:39:46 | GodEater | please, race amongst yourselves to explain to me why this is dumb :) |
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18:29:46 | Dwyloc | Resent versions of rockbox on the ipod (both nano and 80GB Video) appear to have an interesting bug. If you pause playback then unplug the headphones playback starts again and the progress bar starts moving but the WPS still displays the paused status. The disk also spins up and rockbox starts rebuffering. |
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18:31:07 | Dwyloc | I have also noticed that if you press pause before seeking the same thing also happens. |
18:32:15 | Dwyloc | has anyone else seen this problem or is it just something strange about by config |
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18:38:53 | Dwyloc | It also looks live the pause on headphone unplug option is broken un the current SVN build. |
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18:58:42 | * | linuxstb commits Monkey's Audio support |
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19:06:13 | Dwyloc | Ok I have logged the bugs in flyspay as they still happen after I clear my config with the current rockbox build for the 64MB ipod video, not just my private build. |
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19:16:40 | pearldiver | wow, .ape support |
19:19:35 | GodEater_ | completely OT question but : does anyone happen to know if there's a difference between microfilters for "regular" ADSL and ADSL2 ? |
19:20:15 | linuxstb | No, but I know they can vary a lot in quality. |
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19:20:48 | pixelma | linuxstb: is it already prepared for the codec (enum) tag in the wps? |
19:21:30 | linuxstb | pixelma: It should be - it should just appear at the end. Will you add some nice "APE" bitmaps? |
19:22:12 | pixelma | where? |
19:22:26 | * | GodEater_ prepares to swap the filter out in that case |
19:22:37 | pearldiver | just out of curiosity, does anyone use monkey audio these days? |
19:25:06 | linuxstb | pixelma: In the WPSs in SVN. I thought that was why you were asking. |
19:25:44 | markun | linuxstb: congrats! |
19:25:59 | linuxstb | markun: Thanks. |
19:26:05 | linuxstb | pearldiver: I don't know. Probably not... :) |
19:26:23 | markun | now let's hope somebody will actually use the codec :) |
19:26:25 | linuxstb | pearldiver: You need to make the Gigabeat's CPU do something though... |
19:27:16 | pearldiver | linuxstb hehe |
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19:31:12 | pixelma | linuxstb: well I just wanted to know how that will work now, but maybe I'll look into it. I'd need an ape track though to be able to try out in a sim... |
19:36:45 | linuxstb | I'll add them to iCatcher, as I use that WPS. But if you want to look at the others, an APE track is here - http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/lossless/luckynight.ape |
19:40:11 | pixelma | ah, alright... and thanks :) |
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19:41:47 | miepchen^schlaf | :> |
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19:45:30 | miepchen^schlaf | fc |
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19:54:47 | pixelma | linuxstb: the test track "stutters" on my M5 though I'm using a wps with peakmeters... |
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19:56:30 | pixelma | happens with iCatcher too |
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20:01:34 | lowlight | why the binary increase for adding a codec? |
20:02:17 | linuxstb | pixelma: Yes, it's a "-c2000" file, and that's not quite realtime on Coldfire. It would be fine on a gigabeat though... |
20:02:28 | linuxstb | lowlight: Codecs add code to the core as well. |
20:02:58 | linuxstb | (mainly in metadata.c) |
20:04:28 | lowlight | yes, just suprised it was 600 bytes |
20:08:34 | linuxstb | Hmm, seems iCatcher is missing bitmaps for SID, ADX, NSF, SPEEX and SPC... |
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20:51:17 | limbus | rehi |
20:52:23 | limbus | Bagder, ready to fix my server |
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20:57:29 | Llorean | Anyone around who knows what packages I need to work on the manual? |
20:58:22 | Rincewind | i tried it with tetex, but it didn't work |
20:59:19 | Llorean | Yeah, you needed two tetex packages, if I recall |
20:59:40 | Llorean | Last time I set it up was in an older version of the debian image, and I've long since forgotten what I had to get. |
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21:00:38 | Llorean | Did you get tetex-extra? |
21:01:45 | Rincewind | aptitude says that I have tetex-extra tetex-base and tetex-bin |
21:02:00 | scorche | markun: APX = alt-preset-extreme in LAME |
21:02:05 | Llorean | Hmm, I'm pretty sure you just needed tetex-base and tetex-extra, but I could very easily be wrong |
21:02:19 | Llorean | At least for the pdf manual |
21:02:24 | Llorean | I think you needed something more for the html one. |
21:02:36 | Rincewind | i have used tetex for something other, and tried to build the manual just for fun but got compiler errors |
21:03:58 | amiconn | You also need text4ht |
21:04:03 | Rincewind | ! LaTeX Error: Missing \begin{document}. |
21:04:09 | amiconn | * tex4ht |
21:05:21 | Rincewind | strange, I get and error, and suddenly I am inside vim |
21:05:21 | amiconn | Oh, and btw, if you run debian unstable: tetex was replaced by texlive recently, if you have that you need like a dozen+ packagesd |
21:05:23 | amiconn | -d |
21:06:11 | Llorean | Actually, I'm trying out Ubuntu for the moment |
21:06:21 | * | Rincewind is on ubuntu edgy |
21:07:07 | * | amiconn has no real idea how the various ubunty versions map to debian, but thinks that ubunty still uses tetex |
21:07:15 | amiconn | *ubuntu |
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21:07:40 | amiconn | Why can't they use version numbers like any sane project? |
21:07:51 | Llorean | I'm using 7.04 |
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21:08:01 | Llorean | I don't know what alliterative phrase I'm associated with. |
21:08:18 | * | Llorean couldn't be bothered with that nonsense. |
21:08:25 | Rincewind | it's called feisty fawn |
21:08:37 | Rincewind | at the moment I am afraid of upgrading |
21:10:00 | pabs | amiconn: the version numbers in ubuntu are the year.month of release |
21:10:57 | Rincewind | and everything gets wrong if they are behind schedule sometime... |
21:12:29 | amiconn | pabs: I know.. but it seems that more people are using these odd names rather than the version number when referring to an ubuntu version |
21:13:09 | pabs | amiconn: good point :D |
21:13:20 | Rincewind | well, f_eisty comes after e_dgy in the alphabet, so that is kind of a version number, too |
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21:14:17 | Rincewind | it is easier to remember than the difference between 6.04 and 6.10 |
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21:16:22 | * | amiconn is better in remembering numbers |
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21:21:50 | Lear | amiconn: Btw, I gave a GCC 4.3 snapshot a go on a H140 build. The lcd*_bitmap_part functions grew by about 50%, making the iram section too large. Don't really know why... |
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21:25:17 | tucoz | Rincewind: check out http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualHowto#Ubuntu_users_apply_the_patch |
21:25:55 | tucoz | ubuntu uses dash instead of bash as sh, which means that the echo command differs. that is why you get that error |
21:26:32 | Rincewind | thanks |
21:27:04 | tucoz | np |
21:28:12 | tucoz | remeber to get the latex-ucs package as well |
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21:29:26 | tucoz | you need that to get the correct glyphs in especially the credits section |
21:29:35 | tucoz | it enables unicode support |
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21:33:51 | Nico_P | apparently my adding that to the wiki wasn't useless :) |
21:34:24 | Nico_P | I ran into the same problem and had to ask here so I thought it would be easier for everyone if it was mentioned somewhere outside the tracker |
21:37:54 | Rincewind | since /bin/sh is using bash anyway, wouldn't it make sense to use bash in the build script directly? |
21:39:03 | Nico_P | that sounds like a good idea |
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21:42:07 | webguest48 | hey guys |
21:42:33 | webguest48 | im a longtime rockbox user on my iriver h140. which i managed to fry today |
21:42:45 | markun | nokia charger? |
21:42:48 | webguest48 | so i need to get a new player. which would you folks recommend? id prefer to continue using rockbox if possible |
21:42:53 | webguest48 | heh no, soup |
21:43:13 | markun | what kind of features are important for you? |
21:43:29 | markun | recording, digital-in/out, fm radio, etc.. |
21:43:48 | webguest48 | pretty much just sound quality and battery life |
21:43:51 | webguest48 | line in would be nice |
21:43:54 | webguest48 | but not necessary |
21:44:08 | webguest48 | i loved the 2 lineouts on the iriver, but probably cant get that again |
21:44:26 | markun | webguest48: here's some info: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide |
21:44:47 | markun | I'm happy with my Gigabeat, but it lacks a lot of features of the iriver |
21:45:33 | webguest48 | would be nice if i could buy another h140 |
21:45:40 | webguest48 | couldnt really find any tho |
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21:45:46 | markun | indeed |
21:46:03 | Rincewind | webguest48: in what country do you live? |
21:46:08 | webguest48 | usa |
21:46:21 | webguest48 | hm, cool link. i see the ipods still have low battery life |
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21:46:35 | Galois | wait, does rockbox actually support line in recording on the ipod like it says in the chart?? |
21:47:10 | Rincewind | webguest48: the iAudio x5 or m5 is the closest possible to the iriver |
21:47:14 | Galois | cause I kind of tried that once, and couldn't do it, and gave up, but I'd make some effort to try again if I knew it worked |
21:47:19 | markun | Some can, but I don't think the nano and video can |
21:47:29 | webguest48 | has anyone here used the iaudio series? |
21:48:02 | Galois | it says on the page the code is unstable, but ... I'll take unstable |
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21:50:02 | markun | Galois: ah, I somehow thinking recording through the headphone connector.. |
21:50:29 | Nico_P | hmm I'm starting to like git-svn and git |
21:51:04 | Galois | I have the iMic or whatever piece of hardware it's called that lets you record on the OF |
21:53:01 | dionoea | yay! I really fixed xobox on ipod video :) |
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21:58:47 | Rincewind | Nico_P: how much space does the local git repository use on disk? |
21:59:01 | Buschel | Just commited last version of my musepack optimization patch. After all only assembler optimization were left (+13-15% on iPOD, +3-5% on Coldfire) |
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22:01:24 | Nico_P | Rincewind: the repo + a wroking copy with two branches is 85 MB |
22:01:59 | Nico_P | the .git subdir is a little less than 19 MB |
22:02:03 | markun | Buschel: did it introduce some loss of precision? |
22:02:34 | Buschel | markun: no. all accuracy reductions were dropped |
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22:02:59 | Rincewind | wow, the local svn copy is 66mb, I expected the whole git rep to be much larger |
22:06:35 | amiconn | The local svn copy is actually the source x2, so git _does_ need more space |
22:06:50 | amiconn | (iiuc) |
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22:07:08 | Rincewind | I know, but since git is 'all the changes from the dawn of time' it is not very much |
22:07:09 | Llorean | Can you revert in git? |
22:07:22 | Llorean | Do you just revert to a point in your local history? |
22:07:48 | linuxstb | Galois: Rockbox can record via the line-in (3 pins in the dock connector) on the ipod Nano, Video and 4g/Color/Photo. It can also record via the headphone socket on the 4g/Color/Photo. |
22:08:22 | Nico_P | Rincewind: I only have a few revisions of history |
22:09:19 | Rincewind | I see, then it is not very surprising anymore |
22:09:48 | Nico_P | My SVN working copy is 140 MB |
22:10:05 | Rincewind | Nico_P: that's because of the build dir(s) |
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22:10:13 | Nico_P | no, without the build dirs |
22:10:30 | Rincewind | hm |
22:10:32 | Nico_P | (the build dirs are 283 MB) |
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22:11:14 | dionoea | what resolution does the timer have on rockbox ? (well, the sleep function) |
22:11:17 | dionoea | Is that target dependant? |
22:11:34 | linuxstb | 100Hz |
22:11:46 | linuxstb | And it's the same on all targets afaik. |
22:11:51 | dionoea | ok, thanks. |
22:12:03 | Bagder | Nico_P: the git dir just can't contain the same data |
22:12:21 | Bagder | the manual dir alone is 20MB in my checkout |
22:12:43 | Bagder | of course svn makes everything twice the size |
22:13:42 | Nico_P | Bagder: it's compressed and I don't have many revisions, but my understanding is that the complete git repo would be much smaller than the complete SVN repo |
22:14:08 | Bagder | but the checkout. don't you have like all files in a tree? |
22:14:35 | Bagder | how can it be smaller than half the size of a svn checkout? |
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22:15:46 | Nico_P | Well it doesn't seem to be... half of 140 MB is 70 MB and I have 66 MB of rockbox dirs in my git working copy |
22:16:08 | Bagder | very puzzling |
22:16:17 | Nico_P | so it does work... there is 19 MB left for the actual repo |
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22:17:14 | Nico_P | did JdGordon wait for the complete SVN repo import to end ? |
22:17:22 | Bagder | I believe it failed |
22:17:33 | Nico_P | oh |
22:19:56 | Nico_P | Bagder: just saw your comment on emacs 22 :) |
22:20:03 | Nico_P | how'd you like it ? |
22:20:12 | Rincewind | Badger: my manual dir is only 6mb, how can yours be 20mb? |
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22:20:26 | Bagder | Rincewind: hm, good question |
22:20:36 | Bagder | Nico_P: I don't use it (yet) |
22:20:44 | Bagder | I quite happy with the existing version |
22:20:47 | * | Rincewind uses emacs 23 |
22:21:00 | Bagder | 21.4.1 atm |
22:21:17 | Rincewind | mostly because of the nice xft fonts |
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22:22:11 | Nico_P | JdGordon should've read a bit more about git-svn and git... it's normal not to have anything outside the .git dir at first |
22:22:39 | Nico_P | I was puzzled too at first but it's quite simple... you need to checkout a copy of your repo :) |
22:23:06 | dionoea | Is the usb charge while holding menu broken on iPods ? |
22:23:14 | dionoea | (doesn't work with a trunk build) |
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22:25:07 | Bagder | yet another sound format support is way cool |
22:25:46 | Nico_P | indeed... and soon WMA :) |
22:26:54 | linuxstb | We can all retire soon... |
22:28:29 | amiconn | Not until you get ape realtime on coldfire + pp ... ;) |
22:28:53 | Bagder | haha |
22:29:43 | linuxstb | At least you're not asking for SH... |
22:29:56 | Bagder | he's getting softer indeed |
22:30:07 | amiconn | I don't know how these ape compression levels relate to actual compression ratios, but from the commit msg it looks like a *very* half-baked support on anything but gigabeat... |
22:30:23 | amiconn | linuxstb: Okay, then I am asking for MAS DSP asm... ;) |
22:30:51 | linuxstb | :) |
22:32:38 | linuxstb | The compression ratio does increase with compression level, but not significantly IMO. Here are the sizes of my test file at the 5 different compression levels - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/ape.txt |
22:33:16 | linuxstb | (refresh the page - I've just added flac -8 as a comparison) |
22:33:26 | amiconn | That's missing the reference size (i.e. uncompressed)... |
22:33:44 | linuxstb | refresh again... |
22:34:01 | dionoea | how does flac decoding perform in terms of CPU use ? |
22:34:23 | amiconn | Looks like ape -c1000 is similar to wavpack -h |
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22:35:14 | bluebrother | Rincewind: /bin/sh is pointing to dash on ubuntu. Which is the problem. |
22:35:16 | linuxstb | amiconn: Refresh again... |
22:35:17 | amiconn | The higher modes indeed don't improve compression ratio much? How do they compare in terms of cpu load? |
22:35:47 | bluebrother | I was looking in making a real fix to that issue over the weekend, but didn't got around to finish it |
22:35:48 | Rincewind | bluebrother: I learnt that. I suggesting using bash explicitly in the first place |
22:36:04 | bluebrother | will need to wait for another couple of days |
22:36:19 | bluebrother | well, make calls sh ... |
22:36:22 | linuxstb | amiconn: The higher modes need a _lot_ more CPU. I listed some decoding times here - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7256 |
22:36:24 | Rincewind | ok, then I wait for it. |
22:37:01 | bluebrother | the patch tucoz mentioned works fine, it's just a bit inefficient which I want to improve before committing. |
22:37:23 | amiconn | linuxstb: wow.... :( |
22:37:27 | Nico_P | bluebrother: why not use bash as Rincewind suggested ? |
22:37:38 | amiconn | linuxstb: Do those filters use the emac on coldfire? |
22:37:48 | Nico_P | /bin/bash instead of /bin/sh |
22:37:49 | linuxstb | amiconn: No, there's no asm yet. |
22:38:09 | linuxstb | I spent some time optimising IRAM usage on Coldfire, but that's all. |
22:38:52 | bluebrother | Nico_P: can we really rely on bash being present in future versions of ubuntu? |
22:39:22 | Rincewind | a linux version without bash?? |
22:39:23 | Nico_P | bluebrother: why would they remove it ? |
22:39:24 | linuxstb | bluebrother: I'm sure it will always be there, at least as a package. |
22:39:45 | Nico_P | is bash becoming old ? is dash "better" ? |
22:39:58 | preglow | beh |
22:40:05 | Nico_P | I always believed bash was state-of-the-art... |
22:40:10 | bluebrother | dash is a PITA. |
22:42:42 | Buschel | linuxstb: did you try to use -O1 for libdemac on iPOD / PP? on libmad and libmusepack this seems to increase performance by some reasonable amount |
22:44:03 | linuxstb | No, I haven't tried different -O options, but I will, thanks. |
22:46:41 | alienbiker99 | does rockbox not use both cores on Portal player targets? |
22:46:52 | basscadet | bash can't really go away, since dash is an awful user shell, although it's a good user shell on my 32meg arm widget |
22:47:27 | preglow | Buschel: been away on a trip for a while now, back now |
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22:48:05 | Buschel | preglow: good to have you back here |
22:48:12 | _ke_vin | hello |
22:48:19 | preglow | yeah, i'm not so pressed for time right now either, so i'll have a bit more time |
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22:49:17 | _ke_vin | I have Ipod Video (5G). I want to use the scroll wheel in doom. I d/l an unsupported version. Scrollwheel works fine, but for strafe. I want to use scrollwheel to turn left and right and keys for strafe. How to do it? |
22:49:20 | _ke_vin | thx |
22:50:00 | Bagder | _ke_vin: ask the person who provides the build for you |
22:50:15 | _ke_vin | it's not an option to set? |
22:50:22 | _ke_vin | it's done at compile time? |
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22:50:53 | Bagder | _ke_vin: in general if they provide a custom version that have some things changed, how can we tell what else they have changed? |
22:51:10 | Bagder | in specific, I know nothing about doom |
22:51:34 | Buschel | preglow: i dropped all the 32bit-mult-stuff. on the one hand you needed to tweak so much (for having few loss of accuracy), the performance was comparable to ARM-assembler with full precision. on the other hand the very fast multiplies did have flaws on high energy signals. |
22:51:40 | _ke_vin | ok, I think you're right, I will ask the person who compiled that. |
22:51:44 | _ke_vin | thanks |
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22:52:15 | Buschel | preglow: so, finally only new ARM-assembler survived. output is of high precision and comparable to trunk |
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22:53:32 | * | amiconn pings Bagder |
22:54:07 | * | limbus makes it a multi-source-cast |
22:54:53 | preglow | Buschel: interesting, i'm plowing through all my rockbox mail now and will read the flyspray entry later |
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22:57:23 | Buschel | preglow: ok, no problem. i'll go to bed now −− early and evil meetings tomorrow :/ |
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22:59:20 | preglow | linuxstb: wow, monkey's audio |
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23:12:20 | amiconn | limbus: Muti-source cast? ;) |
23:12:33 | limbus | something new |
23:12:39 | chrisjs169 | hmm - the microsd patch is causing my Sansa to freeze on startup? bug? |
23:12:45 | limbus | you need to be innovative sometimes :) |
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23:18:45 | dionoea | amiconn: i've got xobox working on recorder |
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23:21:56 | pixelma | dionoea: nice... how slow is it? |
23:22:02 | dionoea | It's fast on the sim :) |
23:22:10 | dionoea | haven't tried on real target yet |
23:22:10 | pixelma | hehe |
23:22:41 | pixelma | that's what theli told me about zxbox last year too ;) |
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23:23:02 | dionoea | well i about optimsed it 20 times in the last 3 days |
23:23:11 | dionoea | so i'm confident that it'll work |
23:23:13 | dionoea | Let me check |
23:26:07 | * | DerPapst has encountered a wired "bug" in the sim... |
23:26:13 | DerPapst | The sim plays music fine even if it's not the active window in wondows. But whenever firefox is the active window musicplayback stops. But the sim doesn't halt/freeze or anything. Animations are still running ^^ |
23:26:24 | amiconn | dionoea: nice :) |
23:27:04 | amiconn | Do you think using grayscale would improve appearance significantly (vs. pure b&w)? |
23:27:15 | dionoea | no. Looks fine in b&< |
23:27:17 | dionoea | b&w |
23:27:21 | dionoea | (in the sim) |
23:27:27 | amiconn | ok |
23:27:49 | petur | the nice thing about wired bugs is that they can't run away |
23:27:51 | dionoea | gra ... i can't remember how to mount my recorder ... must be missing a kernel module |
23:28:09 | amiconn | huh? |
23:28:16 | amiconn | Do you have an USB1.1 version? |
23:28:31 | dionoea | I have the slow version ... so yeah, must be 1.1 |
23:28:37 | dionoea | (non flashable too) |
23:29:21 | Bagder | ehci_hcd is your friend |
23:30:03 | dionoea | in what way? Doesn't help much here |
23:30:16 | Bagder | well, that's the module for usb2 |
23:30:45 | * | amiconn would rather think the isd200 driver is needed |
23:30:48 | dionoea | the kernel doesn't detect any mass storage device with ehci or uhci loaded :( |
23:30:57 | Bagder | amiconn: not for the recorder |
23:31:07 | amiconn | No? |
23:31:13 | Bagder | recorder is isd300 |
23:31:16 | amiconn | I thought only the 20GB versions are usb2.0 |
23:31:31 | Bagder | ahm... |
23:31:54 | dionoea | mine definitively doesn't have usb2 |
23:31:57 | Bagder | is this an old recorder we talk about? |
23:32:01 | dionoea | yup |
23:32:10 | dionoea | and i'm missing that module |
23:32:17 | dionoea | must have disabled it |
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23:32:40 | Bagder | drivers/usb/storage/isd200.c |
23:33:04 | dionoea | already found it in menuconfig :) |
23:35:06 | dionoea | Is the ondio's screen like the recorder's ? |
23:35:38 | pixelma | yepp |
23:35:50 | amiconn | Just without backlight (unless modded) |
23:36:01 | dionoea | ok, i just need to add key defs then |
23:36:51 | DerPapst | in xobox... if you removed half of the black "thing" where the white diamonds are living in... is it normal that when you go from most left point in the right direction that it doesn't stop where the black "thing" ends? |
23:36:58 | * | DerPapst sucks at bug reports. |
23:37:05 | DerPapst | illustration: http://web.inf.tu-dresden.de/~s5242253/rockbox/better_explanation.bmp |
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23:40:25 | pixelma | DerPapst: yes it's normal if there's nothing in the way (at least this is how I know it, only got to know the rockbox version though) |
23:40:52 | limbus | I know it stopping as soon as possible |
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23:41:56 | * | DerPapst tries an older version of the xobox plugin |
23:43:00 | dionoea | ok, got it to mount :) |
23:43:21 | DerPapst | pixelma: you're right... somehow i remebered it like the way descibed in the image... |
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23:46:02 | dionoea | pixelma: speed is perfect on real target :) |
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23:48:41 | pixelma | great, congrats! :) |
23:50:31 | dionoea | Hum looks like the bitmaps aren't redering as i'd like them to be ... could some check the code i just commited ? |
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23:55:17 | amiconn | eummm |
23:55:27 | bluebrother | hmm, limbus.dyndns.org seems to have problems ... |
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23:55:39 | amiconn | limbus' build server doesn't seem to play by the rules... |
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23:55:49 | dionoea | woops, it's all red |
23:55:53 | limbus | didn't know I'm part of the farm again |
23:56:15 | Bagder | now you're out again ;-( |
23:56:32 | limbus | darn |
23:56:54 | limbus | I can su to rbclient and build every of the targets that failed yesterday |
23:56:57 | Bagder | I don't understand why though |
23:57:04 | limbus | it's in the configure |
23:57:14 | limbus | considering the output |
23:57:43 | Bagder | yeah, "Please select a supported target platform! " indicate it gets weird input |
23:58:47 | Bagder | like a newline or whatever |
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