00:00:08 | Dwyloc | dionoea: Thanks for the work on Xobox it now plays very well on my ipod video, while you are working on Xobox it would be nice if you could add a high score feature or score table :) |
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00:00:24 | dionoea | Dwyloc: I'm not a high score fan :) |
00:01:30 | dionoea | Hum, what draw mode should i use on a mono target to draw a bitmap in inverse mode? |
00:01:35 | Dwyloc | dionoea: oh well just thought I would ask, just thought it would be nice to use the score for some thing. |
00:01:35 | dionoea | (well, only the bits set to 1) |
00:01:41 | bluebrother | hmm. How long should a git-svnimport run? |
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00:03:02 | limbus | Bagder, how could that be debugged ? change configure to dump the input ? |
00:04:15 | amiconn | dionoea: What do you mean? |
00:04:17 | Bagder | yeah, that's one idea |
00:04:49 | dionoea | amiconn: well if you look at the code i commited. I'd like it to draw the bitmaps i'm giving it as argument and not black (or white) squares. |
00:04:59 | dionoea | And i can't find why it's not working. |
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00:05:17 | dionoea | Player cursor needs to be drawn in inverse mode (that would be fine for the qixes too) |
00:06:05 | limbus | I suppose I cannot modify configure, since the master servers task will checkout upon new, isn't it ? |
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00:06:38 | Bagder | it svn updates |
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00:07:29 | limbus | then I could |
00:08:36 | limbus | mhm |
00:08:53 | limbus | it already does echo $response |
00:09:01 | dionoea | amiconn: any idea how i could do that ? or does lcd_mono_bitmap simply not know about inverse vid mode ? |
00:09:04 | limbus | so the buildlog shows it's NOT a newline |
00:09:11 | amiconn | dionoea: It does |
00:09:26 | amiconn | I just can't figure out how it's supposed to work just from the source |
00:09:34 | dionoea | neither can i :) |
00:09:53 | amiconn | From your source, I mean |
00:10:08 | dionoea | i understood. |
00:10:20 | amiconn | Do you want '1' bits to set the lcd pixels to white, and '0' bits not change anything? |
00:10:37 | dionoea | i want 1 bits to set it to !current color. |
00:10:53 | dionoea | So 1 bits to set it white on black pixels and black on white pixels. |
00:10:58 | dionoea | (like the text does) |
00:11:18 | amiconn | Then just use DRMODE_COMPLEMENT |
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00:11:46 | dionoea | last time i tried that didn't work :(. Let me try again |
00:11:55 | amiconn | But the code uses many different modes for >1 bit as well |
00:12:12 | dionoea | DRMODE_COMPLEMENT doesn't draw anything (for bitmaps) |
00:12:46 | amiconn | It does |
00:12:55 | dionoea | well it doesn't here :/ |
00:13:05 | dionoea | unless i need to | it with something else |
00:13:06 | amiconn | Text characters _are_ bitmaps |
00:13:22 | dionoea | i understand what you're saying. I'm just saying that it doesn't work here. |
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00:13:40 | dionoea | for some obscure reason |
00:14:13 | amiconn | Maybe you call it twice by accident? |
00:14:20 | amiconn | (with same bitmap & position I mean) |
00:15:52 | dionoea | it's only called once as far as i can tell (+ the function begins with a clear_display so i'm sure that it can't be due to code from somewhere else) |
00:16:34 | dionoea | are bitmap sizes smaller than 8x8 legal ? (i'm using 4x4) |
00:16:59 | amiconn | yes |
00:17:12 | dionoea | hum ... i give up :/ |
00:17:39 | amiconn | But I wonder about the logic in refresh_board() in general |
00:17:55 | dionoea | which part? |
00:18:09 | amiconn | For depth >1 it just sets the background color to black, which doesn't change anything on the display by itself |
00:18:21 | dionoea | depth >1 works fine AFAIK |
00:18:23 | amiconn | And for depth == 1 it clears everything first |
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00:18:37 | dionoea | because it overwrites all the screen for depth > 1 |
00:18:38 | amiconn | It's not that I doubt that it works for depth > 1 |
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00:18:52 | amiconn | I just wonder why depth == 1 is so different |
00:18:52 | dionoea | while it doesn't for depth < 1 (since it doesn't draw empty spaces) |
00:19:32 | amiconn | hmmmmmmm |
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00:19:39 | amiconn | Which line is the problematic one? |
00:19:53 | dionoea | the two lcd_mono_bitmap calls |
00:20:09 | dionoea | if you add a rb->lcd_set_drawmode (DRMODE_COMPLEMENT); call right before each of those it doesn't seem to have any effect |
00:20:20 | dionoea | well ... not the wanted effect (looks like it disabled drawing) |
00:20:46 | dionoea | enemies should be drawn a 'o's and the player as an 'x' |
00:21:06 | dionoea | s/a/as/ |
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00:27:07 | webguest35 | can any1 help me ipodpatcher? i is not working well... |
00:27:48 | webguest35 | any1? |
00:28:20 | webguest35 | hleo any1 here? |
00:28:21 | amiconn | dionoea: Is it intended that the player and enemies are pure squares? |
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00:28:52 | webguest35 | can any1 help me with ipodpatcher issue? |
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00:28:58 | linuxstb_ | webguest35: Just say what the problem is. |
00:28:58 | DerPapst | webguest35: ask the actual question. maybe someone knows the answer. |
00:29:00 | amiconn | They seem to have only background pixels |
00:29:18 | amiconn | This of course means that you see nothig when drawing with DRMODE_COMPLEMENT |
00:29:34 | webguest35 | well i run ipod patcher with my ipod unmounted and it says it cannot find an ipod.... |
00:29:37 | dionoea | amiconn: no. They're supposed to be the bitmaps defined on lines 235 and 236 |
00:29:52 | dionoea | Unless i got those wrong |
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00:30:05 | amiconn | How did you create those? |
00:30:14 | dionoea | using my keyboard |
00:30:21 | amiconn | Btw, it would be better to use the bitmap build system for this kind of things |
00:30:26 | * | dionoea tries swapping both digits |
00:30:32 | amiconn | Protects from mistakes like this... |
00:30:33 | DerPapst | heheheh |
00:30:49 | linuxstb_ | Vampyr3: What kind of ipod do you have? What OS are you using? Which version of ipodpatcher? |
00:30:50 | Vampyr3 | any1 ave a solution with ipod nano 1st gen ipodpatcher issue? |
00:31:12 | Vampyr3 | im usin os x 10.4 |
00:31:22 | Vampyr3 | ipodpatcher not sure lemme check |
00:31:22 | DerPapst | Vampyr3: ask the actual question |
00:31:44 | Vampyr3 | err ipodpatcher 1.1 |
00:31:45 | dionoea | ooh! digit swaping fixed it :) |
00:32:03 | Vampyr3 | ipod patcher does not recognize my ipod at all |
00:32:11 | Vampyr3 | says there is no ipod connected... |
00:32:13 | linuxstb_ | Vampyr3: Did you convert it to FAT32? If so, does your ipod still work normally? |
00:32:13 | * | amiconn points dionoea to firmware/drivers/rockbox/lcd-1bit-vert.c line 471 ff |
00:32:34 | amiconn | The format is described there: LSB at top... |
00:32:43 | Vampyr3 | ye i converted it to fat32 but no it still opens wit itunes but it never boots up into default firmware... |
00:32:45 | dionoea | thanks |
00:32:46 | DerPapst | Vampyr3: and are you running it as root? |
00:33:08 | Vampyr3 | well im an admin on my pc unless u want me to use sudo |
00:33:22 | amiconn | The hex numbers in the comment are wrong.. and there's a stray 1 bit as well |
00:33:23 | linuxstb_ | Vampyr3: If the default firmware doesn't work, then ipodpatcher won't - you need to get that working first. |
00:33:32 | Vampyr3 | shoot.. |
00:33:41 | Vampyr3 | but how? i have no acces to a windows pc |
00:34:01 | Vampyr3 | and when i format into fat 32 then it wont work with rockbox |
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00:34:16 | Vampyr3 | well it will work if i format |
00:34:22 | linuxstb_ | How are you formatting to fat32? Are you following the instructions on the Rockbox website? |
00:34:26 | Vampyr3 | it wont work as usual since its formatted |
00:34:32 | Vampyr3 | ye |
00:34:41 | Vampyr3 | i am but odly its not working as it shud |
00:35:11 | Vampyr3 | wen i formatted it looked all ok seemed like it wrote it and all but then formatted into fat 32 wich made it a disk drive itself |
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00:35:37 | linuxstb_ | Which instructions are you following? |
00:35:38 | Vampyr3 | if i unzip the rockbox.zop it writes all the data ok but then when i launch th bootloader it wont work |
00:35:47 | linuxstb_ | (to convert to FAT32) |
00:35:54 | Vampyr3 | ye |
00:36:07 | Vampyr3 | im running it with terminal |
00:36:17 | Vampyr3 | except the formatting im using disk util for it |
00:37:14 | Vampyr3 | any ideas? |
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00:38:16 | linuxstb_ | Yes - you didn't follow the instructions correctly. If I was you, I would restore your ipod with itunes, make sure it's working, then try the conversion again. |
00:38:38 | Vampyr3 | urgh... |
00:38:40 | linuxstb_ | These are the conversion instructions - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 |
00:39:02 | Vampyr3 | but what difference will it make? since im formatting it wont it completely erase all data off the ipod? |
00:39:28 | linuxstb_ | We just made those instructions for the fun of it... |
00:39:31 | Vampyr3 | i was using those instructions all the way.. |
00:40:45 | Vampyr3 | shit! |
00:40:58 | Vampyr3 | it wont restore |
00:42:18 | Vampyr3 | so when will tere be a stable release for nano? |
00:43:13 | linuxstb_ | When it's stable - there are no time estimates in Rockbox. |
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00:43:34 | Vampyr3 | hmm |
00:43:43 | Vampyr3 | well it still seems like a good idea |
00:43:56 | Vampyr3 | all those extra tools are a godsend |
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00:47:13 | Vampyr3 | ok well thanx for the help ill still be connected for help if i need |
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00:57:15 | Vampyr3 | nop still the same error |
00:57:20 | Vampyr3 | [INFO] Scanning disk devices... [ERR] No ipods found, aborting [ERR] Please connect your ipod and ensure it is in disk mode [ERR] Also ensure that itunes is closed, and that your ipod is not mounted. [ERR] Please refer to the Rockbox manual if you continue to have problems. Press ENTER to exit ipodpatcher : |
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00:58:12 | linuxstb_ | And the original firmware is working on your ipod? |
00:58:17 | DerPapst | and you've also done everything that ipodpatcher suggests? |
00:58:28 | Vampyr3 | yeah |
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00:58:36 | Vampyr3 | this is the 3rd time it happened |
00:58:51 | Vampyr3 | shud i eject the ipod again? |
00:58:57 | DerPapst | e.g. b&w diskmode, diskutil unmound /dev/disk*** and such |
00:59:20 | linuxstb_ | You shouldn't eject it, just unmount the FAT32 partition. |
00:59:20 | Vampyr3 | sudo dd if=mbr-nano2gb.bin of=/dev/disk2s3 Password: 1+0 records in 1+0 records out 512 bytes transferred in 0.002675 secs (191398 bytes/sec) |
00:59:32 | DerPapst | heh |
00:59:48 | DerPapst | that is what you've don? |
00:59:56 | Vampyr3 | ye |
00:59:59 | linuxstb_ | You'll be wanting to do "of=/dev/disk2" |
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01:00:00 | Vampyr3 | then formatted |
01:00:13 | Vampyr3 | doe it make a difference? |
01:00:20 | DerPapst | correct me if i'm wrong but afaik it has to be sudo dd if=mbr-nano2gb.bin of=/dev/disk2 |
01:00:21 | Vampyr3 | *does |
01:01:01 | Vampyr3 | well when i got the info about the ipodit said disk2s3 |
01:01:02 | DerPapst | yes |
01:01:13 | DerPapst | you've dd'ed the mbr to a wrong place |
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01:01:21 | Vampyr3 | oh nuts |
01:01:24 | DerPapst | remove s3 |
01:01:31 | DerPapst | s3 is the hfs+ partition |
01:01:32 | Vampyr3 | so basically i set it to the partition i erased? |
01:01:42 | Vampyr3 | oh gosh |
01:01:50 | Vampyr3 | well o wonder it didnt work |
01:01:56 | DerPapst | yepp |
01:01:59 | Vampyr3 | hmmm ill try it again |
01:02:09 | DerPapst | restore first :P |
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01:02:37 | Vampyr3 | yepp thats wat im duin |
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01:03:36 | bill123 | i need serious help...can someone help me? |
01:03:56 | linuxstb_ | Explain your problem, and if someone can help, they will. |
01:04:06 | bill123 | ok |
01:04:59 | bill123 | Well i wanted to try to remove rockbox, so i just deleted the folder from the ipod. Then i unplugged my ipod from my computer and it was normal. |
01:05:14 | bill123 | the sleep button didnt work so i rebooted it holding down menu and the center button |
01:05:26 | bill123 | it rebooted and is now stuck |
01:05:38 | bill123 | it shows a picture of the apple with a black back ground |
01:05:43 | DerPapst | have you uninstalled the bootloader too? |
01:05:46 | linuxstb_ | Reboot again, and then immediately press and hold SELECT and PLAY together. |
01:06:04 | bill123 | (no i havent uninstalled the boot loader |
01:06:09 | bill123 | ill try it linuxstb |
01:06:42 | linuxstb_ | The install chapter in the manual has uninstallation instructions. |
01:06:45 | limbus | Bagder, can it be, because sh is linked to dash instead of bash ? Is there such a big difference in piping input to configure ? |
01:06:45 | Vampyr3 | nooo!!! argh!!!! |
01:07:03 | Vampyr3 | its not restoring!!! |
01:07:14 | bill123 | ty |
01:07:19 | bill123 | but now its in disk mode |
01:07:28 | bill123 | how do i get it out when im done? |
01:07:46 | linuxstb_ | Reboot again - menu+select |
01:07:47 | DerPapst | bill123: do you have the bootloader still installed? |
01:07:57 | bill123 | yes |
01:08:20 | DerPapst | if you don'T want rockbox anymore i suggest to remove it too |
01:08:29 | bill123 | i know |
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01:08:48 | bill123 | im trying to look for the bootloader =[ |
01:09:14 | linuxstb_ | The install chapter in the manual has uninstallation instructions.... |
01:09:24 | DerPapst | use ipoaptcher to uninstall it. it's in the manual |
01:09:36 | DerPapst | in short: ipodpatcher -d |
01:09:44 | bill123 | oh ok |
01:09:52 | linuxstb_ | Even shorter - run ipodpatcher, and select "u" for uninstall. |
01:10:09 | bill123 | put wasnt there a bootloader that came with rockbocx, and it had the choice install, uninstall, cancle' |
01:10:15 | bill123 | ok yeah |
01:10:16 | DerPapst | if cmd is already running -d is faster :P |
01:10:21 | * | DerPapst hides |
01:10:36 | linuxstb_ | That's ipodpatcher - it's a program that installs (and uninstalls) the bootloader onto your ipod. |
01:10:47 | * | bill123 smashes ipod |
01:10:59 | bill123 | problem fixed |
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01:11:10 | DerPapst | heh |
01:14:10 | bill123 | ok wait... i downloaded the manual, HTML version, and i got a file... which file has the uninstaller on it |
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01:15:51 | bill123 | anyone? |
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01:17:33 | bill123 | nvm i found it |
01:17:36 | bill123 | ty very much |
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01:18:43 | * | DerPapst wonders if miepchen^schlaf is sometimes awake too.... |
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01:21:17 | pixelma | he must be, I've seen a login from rz.uni-potsdam too - also you can find a line of nonsense in now yesterday's log but probably talking in his sleep... |
01:21:21 | bill123 | ok how do i know if i uninstalled it completely? |
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01:23:04 | pixelma | dionoea: xobox is quite fast on my Ondio (with default settings) but is it on purpose that it is in "inversed colours" to what I would have expected from the greyscale version? |
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01:24:25 | DerPapst | pixelma: he's indeed talking strange things :) |
01:25:04 | limbus | he ? sounds rather like a she |
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01:25:36 | pixelma | maybe |
01:26:38 | DerPapst | is there something mor neutral instead if he or she? |
01:26:40 | limbus | second proof: talking strange things :) |
01:26:48 | limbus | "it" ? |
01:26:59 | DerPapst | it sounds a bit mean :P |
01:27:06 | limbus | :) |
01:27:09 | pixelma | but what s/he said yesterday doesn't sound girl-like |
01:27:22 | * | limbus looks up |
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01:27:47 | DerPapst | true... whoever sarnac is.. r.i.p. |
01:28:44 | limbus | it |
01:28:51 | limbus | it is happy about it's dead |
01:29:36 | DerPapst | which is even more odd ^^ |
01:29:55 | limbus | let's hope it hit the wrong shell/window |
01:30:06 | pixelma | I'm a bit scared to meet it on the street... |
01:30:10 | limbus | or reads the log :) |
01:30:27 | limbus | pixelma, you won't: it sleeps |
01:30:40 | pixelma | well... sleepwalker |
01:31:12 | DerPapst | luckily i'm living on the other side of berlin (north-east) |
01:31:32 | limbus | then i'll rather be scared of beeing hit by it |
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01:31:36 | DerPapst | at least 60km (+/- 5) :P |
01:31:50 | pixelma | yeah I know where Buch is ;) |
01:32:15 | DerPapst | pixelma: do you live in berlin too? |
01:32:25 | pixelma | no Potsdam.. :D |
01:32:32 | DerPapst | uh oh |
01:32:46 | DerPapst | better run :P |
01:33:02 | limbus | hihi |
01:33:13 | limbus | Aachen is safe too :) |
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01:33:33 | DerPapst | a tiny bit more.. yes :P |
01:34:36 | Rincewind | Karsruhe seems to be even better to me ^^ |
01:34:52 | Rincewind | damn, can't spell my own city :( |
01:34:53 | * | DerPapst adds a "l" |
01:34:57 | DerPapst | hehe |
01:35:04 | Rincewind | it's too late |
01:35:13 | limbus | :) |
01:35:19 | * | Rincewind obviously needs sleep |
01:35:21 | pixelma | you could meet bluebrother... |
01:35:38 | Rincewind | I know |
01:35:53 | * | DerPapst thinks it's kinda strage to talk to a lot of other germans in english... |
01:36:03 | Rincewind | actually, I am studying electrical engeneering, like he is |
01:36:15 | DerPapst | same uni? |
01:36:21 | Rincewind | yep |
01:36:24 | DerPapst | heh |
01:36:25 | DerPapst | fun |
01:36:30 | DerPapst | same semester :P |
01:36:35 | Rincewind | but I am second semester and he almost finished |
01:36:40 | DerPapst | ah |
01:36:55 | limbus | ever met him, at least ? |
01:36:57 | DerPapst | at least he knows most of your profs ;) |
01:37:08 | Rincewind | no, didn't meet him yet |
01:37:30 | DerPapst | maybe a tutor in one exercise ^^ |
01:37:49 | DerPapst | *one of your exercises |
01:37:57 | Rincewind | that would be quite funny ^^ |
01:38:20 | limbus | get both a rockbox-tshirt, you'll link up very quickly |
01:39:07 | pixelma | I've once seen you both login from an "rz"-address and was thinking "what if they sit almost next to each other" |
01:39:41 | Rincewind | that's because I am in a Wohnheim |
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01:40:02 | limbus | could still be next door :) |
01:40:14 | Rincewind | nah, I know all of my neighbours |
01:40:51 | limbus | that's what they all say :) |
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01:41:48 | Rincewind | in this case it is true, my wohnheim is selbstverwaltet, not an anonymous Studentwerks-wohnheim |
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01:42:19 | Rincewind | sorry for the denglish, can't explain it ^^ |
01:42:24 | limbus | I see. the better people. |
01:42:27 | limbus | :p |
01:43:05 | Rincewind | well, we can pick who we want to have living with us |
01:43:43 | limbus | jup |
01:43:57 | limbus | I'm doing some housesharing/flatsharing on my own |
01:43:59 | limbus | not that big |
01:44:10 | limbus | not that decent network-connection |
01:44:14 | limbus | but comparable |
01:44:21 | limbus | and also self-managed :) |
01:44:22 | Rincewind | sadly, no rockbox conversions, yet |
01:45:04 | Rincewind | what are you studying? |
01:45:21 | limbus | me ? nothing, sadly |
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01:52:38 | delorean90 | has anyone here had the problem of abnormally short battery life on the h10 20gb with rockbox |
01:54:31 | Llorean | delorean90: Why don't you run the battery bench as I suggested? |
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01:54:45 | Llorean | That would show us if it's shutting down at a strange voltage or anything. Make sure it's with an official build, etc. |
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01:56:00 | delorean90 | oh yes sorry about that, right now i am letting the player fully charge, i was playing it before from a full charge and it died at 50% battery in about 45 min |
01:56:46 | Llorean | You never even mentioned which SVN revision you're using, or any other conditions of your playback. |
01:57:11 | delorean90 | i am using the current svn (i updated an hour ago i think) |
01:57:16 | Llorean | A proper battery bench needs to be with an official Rockbox build, cleared settings (no equalizer or other power hungry settings) and preferably with 128 or 192kbps mp3 playlist greater than 32mb |
01:58:11 | delorean90 | ok, i can do that, i just do not have any songs below 256kbps |
01:58:43 | pixelma | dionoea: (probably for the logs) - in xobox on Archos it looks like the calculation whether the "aliens" hit the wall is still based on the size of 8x8 pixels (that's how it looks to me). |
01:58:54 | Llorean | Well then after the battery bench, you should try the same songs in the original firmware to see how long it lasts playing them |
01:59:12 | Llorean | 256 is rather wasteful for MP3 though, unless you have a really bad encoder. |
01:59:19 | delorean90 | i cannot get the songs to show up in the OF |
01:59:34 | Llorean | So how do you know how long your OF lasts? |
01:59:52 | Llorean | You said your OF still lasts 8-10 hours, but if you can't test it on the same songs, you have no basis for comparison, at all. |
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02:00:08 | Llorean | Or at the very least, the same bitrate songs. |
02:00:18 | delorean90 | is 192 better? i have herd mixed opinions, for future cds i will try 192. |
02:00:24 | delorean90 | would the same playlist work |
02:00:46 | delorean90 | i could make a playlist of ~50 songs |
02:01:07 | delorean90 | i could rip a cd at 192kbps |
02:01:35 | Llorean | It just needs to be a fairly level comparison. |
02:01:43 | Llorean | So the same playlist would be ideal |
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02:02:57 | delorean90 | ok, so ill set up the playlist and cd while the player is charging. the main thing i am hoping is that it is rockbox and not my battery, although the symtoms advise agains the battery being the issue |
02:03:38 | Llorean | Considering most Rockbox on PortalPlayer users aren't experiencing this kinda problem, they do kinda suggest it's your hardware. |
02:03:50 | Llorean | But a battery bench, and an equal-ground comparison against the OF will help tell more |
02:04:03 | Llorean | We'll be able to see if Rockbox is turning off to early or something |
02:04:52 | delorean90 | could i just upload the batterybench file itself onto the forums, i am not positive on how to set it up on a graph |
02:05:15 | Llorean | Yeah, just attach the .txt to a post |
02:06:58 | delorean90 | would 192 or 128 be optimal |
02:07:12 | markun | delorean90: do you encode with VBR? |
02:07:38 | delorean90 | i use wmp11 when i rip cds |
02:07:44 | delorean90 | oh, no i dont |
02:08:07 | markun | it also helps to improve quality while keeping the filesize down |
02:08:42 | delorean90 | i would do that, but the converter i use only has VBR as a .wma file fromat |
02:09:08 | Vampyr3 | err... everything works well and all but i do have a problem... |
02:09:29 | markun | an extreme example is a track with 10 minutes of silence before a 'hidden track' starts. Encoding the silence at 192kbit/s is a bit of a waste.. |
02:09:32 | Vampyr3 | how come my pc does not see my ipod when plugged in? |
02:09:57 | Rincewind | Llorean: what do you think about setting up a wiki page with tips ripping, encoding, replaygain, etc? |
02:10:14 | linuxstb | Vampyr3: Are you using firewire or USB? |
02:10:36 | Vampyr3 | usb |
02:10:37 | markun | Rincewind: sounds like a good idea, but maybe such a wiki exists at hydrogenaudio already? |
02:10:54 | Llorean | Rincewind: I think if someone wanted to do that it'd be a good idea, so long as it could avoid becoming too much of a debate ground for what's best. |
02:11:07 | Rincewind | yes, hydrogenaudio *is* the wiki on such things |
02:11:39 | Llorean | Maybe make sure it's focused on portable players. Basically, suggest bitrates that are "unlikely to suffer enough quality loss from CD to be audible beyond the limited quality of portable DACs" and somesuch. :-P |
02:11:55 | Rincewind | Llorean: exactly |
02:12:35 | markun | and maybe put some disclaimer there that people who have a strong opinion should just keep doing what they think is 'the best way' |
02:12:43 | linuxstb | Vampyr3: What do you see on your ipod's screen when you attach USB? |
02:12:56 | Llorean | Also, concentrate partially on how well Rockbox supports them |
02:12:59 | markun | like people who prefer wav over flac because they can here a difference :) |
02:13:13 | Rincewind | I wouldn't promote flac very much, just give an overview about secure ripping, encoding in vbr in various formats with the apropriate commandlines, replaygaining with foobar |
02:13:13 | Llorean | For example, AAC, while a decent format overall, isn't well supported in Rockbox and might be best to avoid unless there's good reason for it. |
02:14:48 | Rincewind | If I am bored at the weekend, I might start it |
02:15:13 | Rincewind | and then someone has to correct my german english ^^ |
02:15:41 | delorean90 | how many songs should i have minimum on the playlist for battery bench |
02:15:54 | delorean90 | and what is the optimal volume to leave it at |
02:16:39 | Rincewind | delorean90: just use a volume you normally listen at |
02:16:58 | Rincewind | and don't forget to plug in the phones, they use power, too |
02:18:14 | Llorean | delorean90: At least 32mb of songs, ideally. |
02:18:24 | delorean90 | hmm, i never knew that, ok the player is still charging, but i should be able to start soon, unfortunately ill have to wait till tomorow untill i test on the OF, i have to sync all my songs through wmp when i test that |
02:18:28 | Llorean | Really the minimum is closer to 29, but 32 is a good safe number |
02:18:59 | delorean90 | 32 mb, ok i deffinately already have that converted |
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02:20:15 | stationearth | The Cowon D2 firmware has a string "Ver:0071" near the beginning |
02:20:29 | stationearth | can anybody help with what file format this could be? |
02:21:48 | DerPapst | linuxstb: the headder you were referring to in #ipodlinux which ipod_fw creates when extracting osos: is that the apple stop sign or something else? |
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02:22:41 | linuxstb | Something else - the header that appears before the firmware itself in the firmware partition. It contains things like loadaddr, entryoffset etc for the image. |
02:23:11 | DerPapst | ah. |
02:23:59 | DerPapst | it seems that loader 2 depends on this header to load the apple osos image as a file. |
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02:24:27 | delorean90 | Llorean: battery bench has started 208 mb of songs, 192kbps, -30db |
02:24:45 | DerPapst | amyways... |
02:24:49 | DerPapst | good night at all :) |
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02:25:50 | * | limbus too is detaching for tonight. |
02:26:02 | limbus | sleep well, #rockbox :) |
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02:32:19 | stationearth | Anybody with firmware reverse engineering skills around? Could you help me with understanding firmware file format? |
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02:36:27 | markun | stationearth: which firmware are you looking at? |
02:36:53 | stationearth | I am looking at the Cowon d2 firmware. I noticed a pattern and was wondering if anything was known |
02:37:15 | stationearth | markun: There is a string "Ver:0071" near the beginning of the firmware |
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02:38:12 | stationearth | markun: Do you know what format the binary file could be? I also noticed some strings appearing more than once. My guess - there are more than one files packed in the binary. |
02:38:53 | markun | stationearth: sorry, I don't have time to look at it now, it's getting quite late here |
02:39:23 | stationearth | markun: ok. maybe somebody else might be able to tell |
02:39:32 | linuxstb | stationearth: I can't look now either, but do you have a link to a copy of the firmware? Preferably not a Windows application... |
02:41:23 | stationearth | linuxstb: sure. http://www.cowonglobal.com/zeroboard/zboard.php?id=C08&page=1&sn1=&divpage=1&bmenu=download&sn=off&ss=on&sc=on&select_arrange=headnum&bmenu=download&desc=asc&no=273&bmenu=download |
02:42:08 | stationearth | linuxstb: Its a zip with 3 folders. The link contains instructions to install the firmware. I mostly looked at the file in folder "0" and '"1". The one in "2" are font and images |
02:42:17 | linuxstb | Do you know what CPU is in the D2? |
02:43:04 | stationearth | linuxstb: It has a Telechips TCC 7801. A dual core ARM. ARM926EJ-S and ARM946E-S |
02:44:00 | linuxstb | Those instructions make Rockbox seem simple to install... |
02:44:30 | stationearth | linuxstb: I don't understand |
02:44:49 | stationearth | linuxstb: Oh I get it. Joke :) Sorry am a bit dazed |
02:45:54 | stationearth | linuxstb: Seems like an internal flash program on finding the files in root, upgrades the firmware and deletes the files |
02:45:58 | stationearth | linuxstb: |
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02:46:19 | stationearth | linuxstb: could it be that the two files 0 and 1 are for the two processors? |
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02:47:31 | linuxstb | The file in 0 looks like an unencrypted ARM binary at first glance. |
02:47:58 | linuxstb | i.e. there are lots of text strings visible, and "arm-elf-objdump -D -marm -b binary d2N.bin" is spitting out something sensible. |
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02:48:46 | linuxstb | The file in 1 is very similar. |
02:49:31 | stationearth | do you know of an arm emulator/simulator I could use to understand what's happening? There is no documentation for 7801 |
02:50:36 | linuxstb | No I don't. The only thing I've ever used is arm-elf-objdump, which is probably the worse tool available... |
02:50:38 | stationearth | linuxstb: cool. So I should probably start by setting up the arm tool chain. |
02:51:28 | linuxstb | An easy first test would be to open up one of those files in a hex editor, look for a string that your D2 displays on the screen, and change one letter in it. Then see if you can install it on your player. |
02:52:03 | linuxstb | That will tell you if there is a checksum or other kind of protection in place. |
02:52:08 | stationearth | linuxstb: Now why didn't I think of it before. Will also tell if there is a checksum involved |
02:52:27 | stationearth | linuxstb: :) |
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02:53:01 | stationearth | linuxstb: what would be the next step if there isn't one involved? |
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02:54:52 | linuxstb | Find a way to safely run your own code. |
02:55:23 | linuxstb | i.e. if you create a 0/d2N.bin file yourself, install it, and then it crashes, do you have a way to recover your player? |
02:56:03 | stationearth | I am fishing for the recovery drivers. They are floating out there |
02:56:30 | stationearth | Am awaiting an email from somebody who has them. |
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02:57:02 | S_Curran | hey, any one there?? |
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02:57:59 | S_Curran | guys ive got a 3oGB ipod video 5.5g with 1.3.2 firmware, how can i install rockbox on this?? |
02:58:05 | linuxstb | stationearth: But looking at the files more closely, there does seem to be some header-like information starting at around the 16th byte in. I would guess a checksum is in there somewhere... |
02:58:30 | saratoga | S_Curran: read the manual |
02:58:45 | linuxstb | S_Curran: Just follow the install instructions in the manual, which is linked to from the left menu on every page of the website. |
02:59:13 | S_Curran | ok, will it deffinately istall ok on a 5.5g 30gb ipod video? |
02:59:31 | stationearth | linuxstb: Are you referring to the part just before the long string of zeros? |
02:59:43 | S_Curran | i have got irl loader 2.5 already installed, how can i make it so i boot it from that that i start up my ipod? |
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03:00:15 | linuxstb | stationearth: Yes. e.g. this is from 0/d2N.bin - "0000010: 7cbb 860d 0000 0000 0d91 2e4e fc7d 1d00 |..........N.}.." |
03:00:55 | linuxstb | The last four bytes there are 0x001d7dfc (ARM is little-endian), which in decimal is 1932796 - the size of the file. |
03:01:40 | linuxstb | (the same applies to the same 4 bytes in 1/d2N.bin) |
03:02:26 | stationearth | linuxstb: I was just checking out the other file. Can I give you a link to another file (from a different player) and can you see if they have the same info? |
03:03:15 | S_Curran | do i just extract the FULL rockbox file to my ipod root folder? |
03:03:17 | stationearth | linuxstb: this one is the M-bird XY-22 rom. http://www.m-bird.se/software/XY-22/XY22SMV1320.rom |
03:03:33 | linuxstb | It's not going to be the same, but the mi4 file format could give you some clues about what the other values mean - http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html |
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03:03:59 | stationearth | linuxstb: somebody in the forums mentioned that they share the toolchain and sdk |
03:06:26 | S_Curran | guys could somebody help please? where is the ipod root folder? |
03:06:56 | linuxstb | stationearth: That's similar, but it doesn't seem to have as many fields in the header. Starting at 0x18 is what looks like real ARM code. |
03:07:21 | linuxstb | S_Curran: It's just the top-level of your ipod - i.e. not inside any folders at all. |
03:07:42 | S_Curran | what is iPod_Control? |
03:07:56 | S_Curran | IPL loader 2.5? |
03:08:04 | linuxstb | That's a folder where itunes stores all your music and its database. |
03:08:08 | stationearth | linuxstb: what tool are you using to glean this information? |
03:08:37 | S_Curran | ok, so could someone help me in the rock box installtion, because i want it to run thru my curent loader |
03:08:52 | linuxstb | stationearth: Just xxd (it displays a file in hex) and arm-elf-objdump (a simple disassembler). |
03:09:00 | S_Curran | do i jsut extract the .rockbox folder to my ipod drive? |
03:09:30 | linuxstb | S_Curran: Yes. The IPL loader should (if it's a recent version) detect it automatically. |
03:10:03 | S_Curran | meaning that the loader will boot up first? allowing me to select ipod os sleep disk mode and rockbox? |
03:10:14 | linuxstb | Yes |
03:10:50 | S_Curran | ok thanks, now how do i go about installing it on? I cant find the correct way in the manual |
03:10:53 | linuxstb | stationearth: Do you have any other versions of the Cowon D2 firmware? That's always useful (to compare) |
03:11:28 | stationearth | linuxstb: There are lots of them. Just a sec |
03:11:31 | S_Curran | sorry for my noobishness, appologies! |
03:11:43 | S_Curran | how do i go about installing it on? I cant find the correct way in the manual |
03:12:22 | linuxstb | Just download the rockbox.zip for your ipod, and extract the .rockbox folder to your ipod. |
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03:13:17 | dwarfy | hello. I was hoping someone could help me. |
03:13:36 | S_Curran | ok so a straight extract onto the ipod e drive yes? |
03:13:38 | stationearth | linuxstb: http://www.cowonglobal.com/zeroboard/zboard.php?id=C08&page=1&sn1=&divpage=1&bmenu=download&sn=off&ss=on&sc=on&select_arrange=headnum&bmenu=download&desc=asc&no=265&bmenu=download |
03:13:59 | stationearth | linuxstb: 2.41a previous version. There is also a beta around. |
03:14:19 | dwarfy | i think my Q. is simple to answer |
03:14:34 | S_Curran | so a straight extract onto the ipod e drive yes? |
03:14:45 | linuxstb | S_Curran: Yes |
03:14:47 | stationearth | linuxstb: http://download.cowon.com/data/C08/D2_3.50b.zip |
03:14:52 | S_Curran | thhanks |
03:15:12 | dwarfy | :) |
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03:15:48 | dwarfy | hello |
03:17:28 | S_Curran | it didnt work, still jsut iplloader 2.5 :( with apple os diskmode and sleep, wtf? |
03:17:38 | f00f | latest svn doesn't compile for me |
03:18:53 | markun | dwarfy: what was the question? |
03:19:00 | linuxstb | stationearth: That's interesting. The three "0" files are identical in the three firmware versions. The "1" files are different. |
03:20:00 | stationearth | linuxstb: :) I was just about to say that. btw if you notice the installation instructions for versions, you'll notice that there are 2 parts |
03:20:14 | stationearth | linuxstb: for users with firmware version < 2.41 |
03:20:30 | stationearth | linuxstb: and for users with firmware versions > 2.41 |
03:20:32 | dwarfy | markun i have had a Archos Rec.v1 for a long time. upgraded to a 40gb and recently to a 100gb. I think i updated the firmware about 3 yrs ago. I just DL the newest build and unzipped it to the Root. Problem is, it isnt accessing files, like the Font, or the Language files, and it says "dir buffer full" when i access some directories. |
03:20:49 | stationearth | linuxstb: The latter are not required to update the 0 binary |
03:21:02 | S_Curran | how do i create a text file pointing to rockbox? |
03:21:07 | stationearth | let me see if I can find a firmware older than 2.41 |
03:21:55 | stationearth | linuxstb: http://www.cowonglobal.com/zeroboard/zboard.php?id=C08&page=1&sn1=&divpage=1&bmenu=download&sn=off&ss=on&sc=on&select_arrange=headnum&bmenu=download&desc=asc&no=258&bmenu=download |
03:24:04 | dwarfy | it shows the plugins, but it errors if i try to run one. it has directories, but they usually say "no files" when im accessing from the archos. but if i plug it in to the comptuer, there are Language, font, and other config files in the .rockbox directories |
03:24:33 | markun | dwarfy: did you reboot? |
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03:25:11 | linuxstb | S_Curran: You could try moving the rockbox.ipod file from the .rockbox folder into the root of your ipod - that's where older versions of loader2 look for it |
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03:25:36 | dwarfy | yes. when i do it has opening screen ROCKBOX v.2.1 |
03:25:51 | S_Curran | i made a loder.cfg file, that ok? |
03:26:04 | markun | dwarfy: sounds very old |
03:26:05 | dwarfy | if i open the menu (via the archos interface) and select Firmware it says No Files |
03:26:19 | linuxstb | S_Curran: Yes, that's a better option. |
03:26:30 | dwarfy | v.2.1 refers to the firmware right ? |
03:26:30 | S_Curran | and put it in notes yes? |
03:27:00 | linuxstb | S_Curran: I've no idea - loader2 is part of the ipodlinux project, we can't help you with it here (because we don't use it) |
03:27:17 | saratoga | does one of Rockbox's many sound settings let you adjust the preamp seperately for files with no Replaygain tags? |
03:27:29 | markun | dwarfy: the last release was 2.5 and that was already a long time ago |
03:27:39 | markun | but I don't know anything about the archoses |
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03:27:57 | S_Curran | ohh ok sorry man |
03:28:18 | linuxstb | markun: Read up on your history ;) http://www.rockbox.org/history.html |
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03:28:52 | markun | dwarfy: if you come back when it's daytime here in europe I'm sure there will be some people who can help you with archos specific stuff |
03:29:00 | markun | ah, maybe Bagder_ can help |
03:29:04 | S_Curran | http://www.ipodwizard.net/showthread.php?t=23858&highlight=config what of this do i need to make into a loader.cfg file? |
03:29:17 | markun | linuxstb: shame on me :) |
03:29:24 | S_Curran | or shud i rename loader.cfg to ipodloader.conf |
03:29:31 | markun | time to get some sleep.. |
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03:29:59 | dwarfy | ok thank you |
03:30:04 | S_Curran | nite nite |
03:31:30 | linuxstb | stationearth: There seem to be two random-looking numbers in the headers - at 0x10 and 0x18. I would guess one is a checksum, but I can't think what the other could be (unless it's part of the checksum as well). |
03:31:38 | linuxstb | stationearth: But I need sleep now - it's 2.30am... |
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03:32:05 | stationearth | linuxstb: do you know of a checksum utility? |
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03:32:08 | S_Curran | linuxstb u got msn dude? |
03:32:20 | S_Curran | just so i can get this cleared up quickly, im UK aswell |
03:32:33 | stationearth | linuxstb: sure. Thanks for all the help you provided. |
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03:32:37 | S_Curran | sorry if im rushing just its 2:30 as u said :p |
03:33:04 | stationearth | linuxstb: I will investigate the files further and see if I can parse spot any more trends |
03:33:07 | linuxstb | stationearth: No. I would just write a little C program, and start experimenting with simple checksums. You could then try crc32... But it's probably still worth trying to change one byte and see if it's accepted. |
03:33:37 | S_Curran | # iPodLoader 2.5 config file |
03:33:39 | S_Curran | backlight = 1 |
03:33:40 | S_Curran | timeout = 10 |
03:33:41 | stationearth | linuxstb: Got it. That's my first experiment. Will let you know how it goes |
03:33:42 | S_Curran | default = 2 |
03:33:43 | S_Curran | # here come the menu choices: |
03:33:45 | S_Curran | Apple @ ramimg |
03:33:47 | S_Curran | iPodLinux @ (hd0,1)/linux.bin |
03:33:48 | S_Curran | Rockbox @ (hd0,1)/.rockbox/rockbox.ipod |
03:33:49 | S_Curran | Sleep @ standby |
03:33:51 | S_Curran | Disk Mode @ diskmode |
03:33:53 | S_Curran | which of that needs to b in a loader.cfg file? |
03:34:26 | linuxstb | stationearth: Good luck, and goodnight. |
03:34:41 | linuxstb | S_Curran: As I said, I don't use loader2, so can't help. |
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03:34:51 | stationearth | linuxstb: thanks. nite. |
03:34:56 | S_Curran | what do you use m8? |
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03:35:26 | linuxstb | S_Curran: The rockbox bootloader |
03:36:05 | S_Curran | ahh ok, can it boot normal apple os on the ipod and ipod linux etc? |
03:36:57 | S_Curran | ?? |
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03:37:52 | S_Curran | linuxstb msn? |
03:38:05 | c00ki3 | hey guys i got a quick question |
03:38:15 | c00ki3 | what's the fuzz with the 64mb ipod current build? |
03:38:44 | c00ki3 | All i found is that it utilizes all the ram available |
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03:44:48 | saratoga | c00ki3: it gives you an extra 32MB of RAM for the HD buffer |
03:44:59 | saratoga | it doesn't seem to make a big difference though |
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04:06:57 | chrisjs169 | i'm sure this has happened to a lot of people, but the "Open with.." menu is blank on my sansa |
04:07:42 | chrisjs169 | nevermind, i think i solved it - the viewers.config file is blank |
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04:29:26 | webguest81 | Hey i got a quick question im trying to install rockbox i connected my ipod extracted the .rockbox into the home directory of the ipod but when i launch the bootloader it says it cant find the ipod (i have the 30gb video ipod) |
04:30:40 | webguest81 | anyone has any ideas whats up with it? |
04:35:39 | JdGordon | what are you launching? |
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04:41:25 | Cardini | What does " *PANIC* Stkov sd " mean on a Sansa e270 with today build of RockBox? |
04:42:07 | Cardini | *Today's, even. |
04:42:48 | Llorean | Are you using an official build? |
04:43:02 | Llorean | I've only heard of that message showing up in builds patched with the sd card patch |
04:44:14 | Cardini | I'm using a build from www.rockbox.org, from about noon today. |
04:45:00 | Llorean | Does anything you do specifically trigger this? |
04:45:27 | Cardini | Not that I know of. I just got the player working after the bug I mentioned yesterday. |
04:45:47 | Cardini | I looked at the screen after a minute (I had been in "fonts") and it has that message. |
04:46:12 | Llorean | It basically means that some memory reserved for the sd stack wasn't enough. |
04:47:00 | Cardini | You lost me there. I'm code- and computer illiterate. |
04:47:15 | Llorean | Turn off your device, turn it back on, and see if it happens to you again. |
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04:47:39 | Llorean | It's a bug, and it doesn't mean you did anything wrong. |
04:48:20 | webguest81 | srry i was trying to fix it im launching the lastest stable build for rockbox from the site (<JdGordon> what are you launching?) |
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04:49:16 | webguest81 | i got it to install before but i formated my ipod after since something messed up but now i cant install it back becayse bootloader wont recognize my ipod drive |
04:49:32 | Cardini | It seems fine now, Llorean. Thanks. |
04:50:24 | webguest81 | when i go thru the cmd and type in the drive manualy it says error opening disk: the system cannot find the file specified |
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05:02:06 | webguest81 | ill repeat my question maybe someone else can help me |
05:02:53 | webguest81 | when i try to install the rockbox i extracted the files into ipod dir then i launched the ipodpatcher but it wont seem to find my ipod i have the 30gb video ipod |
05:03:02 | webguest81 | anyone have any clues on what to do |
05:03:43 | webguest81 | oh and i installed it an hour ago but i had to format my ipod maybe this messed me up? i put all the files back do you think i have to update my ipod? |
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05:16:02 | Cardini | So I add these MP3s to my device, and they show up in "files," but not in "database." Should I update or initalize the database? |
05:16:32 | ErifNeerg | anybody here like podcasts? |
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05:25:05 | ErifNeerg | everyone should check out #7111 |
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05:46:20 | voidengineer | nm, I had a question but figured it out |
05:46:28 | voidengineer | thanks for just being there, rofl |
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05:48:40 | Cardini | What is Syncback, how do I stop it, and why did my Sansa sync gigabytes of unrelated files to my player? |
05:49:08 | ErifNeerg | i dunno but i know patch 7111 is pretty awesome |
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05:51:48 | Cardini | Rather frustrating to have one's player fill itself up with encryption programs and personal data and... |
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06:17:08 | JdGordon | Slasheri: you round? |
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07:04:52 | webguest10 | how do i transfer flac aac jpg etc to ipod with rockbox |
07:05:29 | JdGordon | in whatever file manager you want? just connect it to the comp with usb |
07:07:07 | webguest10 | when i try to transfer flac i get file not supported error |
07:07:30 | webguest10 | i mean whenever i try to transfer anything but mp3 i get file not supported error |
07:08:39 | JdGordon | in what program? |
07:08:49 | webguest10 | in konqueror |
07:09:02 | JdGordon | the ipod is monuted? |
07:09:05 | JdGordon | mounted* |
07:09:09 | webguest10 | yes |
07:09:41 | JdGordon | are yoiu trin to use some ipod related plugin or something? just copy it across like a normal removable disk |
07:10:09 | webguest10 | thats what i thought i was supposed to do, but its not working out |
07:10:28 | webguest10 | when i plug iin my ipod i get a dialogue box.... |
07:10:34 | webguest10 | then open in new window |
07:11:41 | webguest10 | then i have four folders artist ,playlist, utilities, and a drop music here folder |
07:12:10 | webguest10 | when i drag and drop my flacs i get the error |
07:13:04 | JdGordon | sonuds like you are using something especialyl for ipods... in konquerer just navigate tot eh monut pint |
07:13:10 | JdGordon | to the* |
07:13:21 | JdGordon | mount point* |
07:14:48 | webguest10 | then in what folder do i put the files |
07:15:09 | webguest10 | when i go to the mount point i am presented with the ipods tree structure.... |
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07:15:52 | JdGordon | put your music anywhere |
07:16:02 | JdGordon | a folder anemd music is always a nice place for them.. |
07:17:50 | webguest10 | Ok i think i got it now |
07:19:42 | webguest10 | so then just go to the mount point and transfer that way? |
07:19:51 | JdGordon | yes |
07:20:30 | webguest10 | wow wonder what i was doing |
07:21:02 | webguest10 | then to play the files i play them from the "music" folder and not database |
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08:31:24 | Slasheri | JdGordon: now i am |
08:31:32 | JdGordon | hey |
08:31:58 | JdGordon | had a chance to look at the tagnavi forward referenceing patch yet? |
08:32:43 | JdGordon | I rekon if that can go in then the default tagnavi.config can be trimmed down to bare essentials and we can get a wiki page goign with al the different extra items (and fs#7111) |
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08:41:30 | amiconn | Slasheri: Speaking about tagnavi - is there a reason why the default allows to browse artists and albums by initial letter, but not tracks? |
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08:42:11 | amiconn | Tracks is the longest list by far... and I tested adding this once. It worked. |
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08:48:50 | * | JdGordon 's custom tagnavi has that |
08:51:15 | midkay | wow, i never noticed it was missing.. but i agree, it should definitely be there. |
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09:02:02 | * | JdGordon thinks the defauilt tagnavi shhuold only have artist, album, genre, user rating and maybe history, the rest shhuold come in with custom config |
09:03:47 | midkay | any reason why? i don't think it needs to be full and bloated, but i don't see why it has to be 'bare essentials' either. it's not like it takes binary size. i like and find useful almost everything it currently comes with. |
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09:09:52 | JdGordon | i dunno, just seems like a waste to have the whole thing there... |
09:10:10 | JdGordon | if its much smaller and people add their configs to the wiki it would be betetr... |
09:10:14 | midkay | a waste.. of...? |
09:10:20 | JdGordon | ram? |
09:11:08 | midkay | o rly... and how much RAM do we save by removing a few entries? |
09:11:21 | JdGordon | dunno... |
09:11:25 | amiconn | I would think the buffer is static |
09:11:38 | JdGordon | doesnt it grab it of the audio buffer? |
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09:11:59 | JdGordon | but if we want everything in, is there any reason to not comimt 7111? |
09:12:08 | JdGordon | adds a stupid podcast option to the db |
09:12:23 | petur | I see no objection |
09:12:24 | midkay | a stupid one, huh? |
09:12:26 | amiconn | I don't care much whether the default comes with a bare minimum or something more complete, I just wondered why the current default allows to access 2 shorter lists by initial, but not the longest one |
09:13:00 | midkay | amiconn: nah, it's JdGordon's movement to get it to the "bare minimum", and i'm skeptical that that will save more than a few bytes, if any - i thought as you did that it might be a static buffer. |
09:14:40 | JdGordon | its also more that the standrda tagnavi.config bcomes huge and fairly unreadable, granted not many people would look at the file, but those that want to customise it will and a bi file makes it hard for them |
09:15:23 | midkay | JdGordon: but the syntax has to be learned anyways... if that's all it comes down to, i think it's quite a moot point. |
09:20:53 | * | petur thanks firefox for crashing |
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09:21:47 | amiconn | Firefox crashing? |
09:21:52 | * | JdGordon wonders how perutr got that message off if ff crashed? |
09:22:05 | petur | weird huh |
09:22:09 | amiconn | One of the things I last observed with a 1.0.x version.... |
09:22:40 | petur | one browser window gave me the crash dialog, this one stayed ok, until I hit ok in the other one |
09:23:03 | JdGordon | ff is always crashing here, probaly mplayer or flash doing it though |
09:23:04 | petur | firefox is *very* unstable since 2.x |
09:23:27 | petur | I'm considering to drop it and move back to IE |
09:23:41 | JdGordon | :O |
09:23:42 | amiconn | really? |
09:23:48 | amiconn | Very odd |
09:23:50 | nls | it haven't crashed for me since 2.00.4 |
09:23:51 | Galois | 2.x is perfectly stable here |
09:24:14 | petur | 2.0.0.4 is a bit better than 2.0.0.3 I must say |
09:24:21 | Galois | 1.5 sometimes crashes using flash |
09:24:23 | nls | petur: are java/flas/whatever plugins up to date? |
09:24:27 | amiconn | 1.0.x was crashing occasionally here. 1.5.x didn't crash, but sometimes started to eat ram. 2.0.x is perfectly stable for me |
09:24:35 | petur | this was its first since upgrade |
09:25:17 | petur | nls: how to check? |
09:25:33 | * | JdGordon got an email about talking at a LUG converence hre because I put my hand up for gsoc mentoring! |
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09:26:16 | JdGordon | except the meeting was yesterday?? |
09:26:19 | * | JdGordon confusled |
09:26:20 | nls | petur: about:plugins will list them but i guess checking is manual :-/ |
09:26:48 | petur | nls: it's configured to check for updates for firefox+addons - not enough I guess |
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09:27:24 | Galois | *shrug* I just use yum update |
09:29:55 | JdGordon | is my net still alive? |
09:30:40 | Galois | JdGordon I see you ... |
09:30:47 | JdGordon | that was odd... |
09:30:52 | JdGordon | anywho |
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09:59:47 | Slasheri | JdGordon: i will look that soon |
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10:00:06 | Slasheri | amiconn: not really. if you think that is useful, it can be added |
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11:49:20 | S_Curran | hey could some one help me with an installation of rockbox onto my 5.5g ipod vdieo 30gb? |
11:54:07 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: you round? |
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11:57:35 | S_Curran | guys can sum1 help? |
11:58:50 | nls | S_Curran: tell us what the problem is |
11:59:03 | S_Curran | help me with an installation of rockbox onto my 5.5g ipod vdieo 30gb |
11:59:15 | S_Curran | ive extracted the folder to the root, but it isnt booting with ipl loader 2.5 |
11:59:35 | nls | S_Curran: we don't support ipoloader |
11:59:58 | S_Curran | well can u tell me how to get rockbox on, and also linux? |
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12:01:55 | S_Curran | well?? |
12:02:08 | nls | S_Curran: find out how to uninstall ipoloader and install the rockbox bootloader as described in the rockbox manual, then you can boot linux by holding some button while starting your ipod, iirc it is the PLAY button. |
12:02:38 | S_Curran | and why can i not install rockbox along with the ipod linux using ipl loader? |
12:02:45 | nls | provided that you have the linux kernel as linux.bin in your fat partition |
12:03:21 | S_Curran | linux is on my ipod now, and booted fine thru the ipl loader, why does rockbox not? |
12:03:25 | nls | S_Curran: yuo can, I don't know how, and we don't support ipl loader, if you want to do that, ask the ipl people |
12:04:01 | S_Curran | #ipodlinux? |
12:04:19 | nls | I think so |
12:04:34 | S_Curran | ok do u kno any one that hows to to get it on? |
12:04:44 | nls | no |
12:05:05 | S_Curran | or any links to help me? |
12:05:12 | S_Curran | whta if i use aloader.cfg? |
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12:06:21 | The-Compiler | Moin |
12:06:26 | pixelma | there is a ipl loader thread in the unsupported builds forum - that's all I could offer as help (know nothing about ipl, don't even have an ipod) |
12:07:29 | S_Curran | could you link me please? |
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12:09:29 | pixelma | see 2nd hit http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=search2 ;) |
12:10:21 | DerPapst | morning pixelma :) |
12:10:39 | pixelma | S_Curran: sorry - seems it doesn't work |
12:10:57 | pixelma | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9658.0 |
12:11:00 | S_Curran | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9658.0 this one? |
12:11:10 | S_Curran | yea lol ill look, does the solution work? |
12:11:59 | pixelma | don't know, maybe DerPapst yould help you... ("morning" too btw.) :) |
12:12:36 | pixelma | *could too |
12:13:07 | S_Curran | derpast do u know anoytinhg about ipl loader 2.5 with rockbox? |
12:16:04 | S_Curran | ?? |
12:17:32 | JdGordon | linuxstb: hey, do you know if sansapatcher could replace the OF in the hidden partition with a different version? the OF seems to not let me downgrade |
12:19:15 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I can't remember what it can do now... |
12:19:24 | JdGordon | :) ok |
12:19:53 | S_Curran | good morning linuxstb |
12:20:02 | linuxstb | S_Curran: Good morning. |
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12:30:14 | GodEater | discovering your router really runs linux is cool, but one should definitely read up on it a bit more before fiddling with it whilst sat over a mile away from it :) |
12:31:38 | JdGordon | a mile isnt that far... only 15min away |
12:32:07 | GodEater | well it's probably closer to 2 miles really |
12:32:17 | GodEater | which would take me my entire lunch hour to walk to and from |
12:32:31 | Galois | WRT54G? |
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12:33:07 | GodEater | That's linksys isn't it Galois ? |
12:33:10 | GodEater | mine's netgear |
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12:34:47 | Galois | I had no idea netgear ones ran linux |
12:35:02 | S_Curran | lol |
12:35:31 | GodEater | well it came with a big print out of the GPL v2 |
12:35:35 | GodEater | that was my first clue |
12:35:45 | GodEater | and then I found you could turn on the ability to telnet into it today |
12:35:56 | GodEater | when I found it was running a 2.4 kernel |
12:36:13 | Galois | KWGR614??? |
12:36:31 | GodEater | that doesn't sound right either |
12:36:39 | GodEater | I'm trying to find it on the netgear home page right now |
12:37:11 | Galois | well google: "netgear open source" returns KWGR614 |
12:37:48 | GodEater | well my model number starts with DG |
12:38:25 | Galois | woah, http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/n101238.asp |
12:38:30 | Galois | even my model is on there |
12:38:51 | JdGordon | hang on.. if your at work.. shouldnt you be working? instead of fiddling on that or chatting? |
12:39:38 | * | GodEater is waiting on projects to get back to him |
12:40:13 | JdGordon | so perfect... give em your mobile number and jump o the bus and fix you router? |
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12:40:35 | JdGordon | here's trouble :D |
12:40:40 | GodEater | could even forward the desk phone :) |
12:41:26 | GodEater | http://www.netgear.com/Products/RoutersandGateways/SuperGWirelessRouters/DG834GT.aspx <−− that's the one I have |
12:42:28 | crop | Hello. Where are the strings for the recording frequency (44.1kHz etc) for the recording settings menu defined? I dont quite like 44.1, 22.05, 11.025 and would rather prefer 44100, 22050, and 11025 Hz −− with a space between the number and 'Hz' |
12:42:49 | JdGordon | settings_list.c somewhere |
12:43:01 | S_Curran | guys what all can i do with rockbox on an iod video, apart from usic? |
12:43:11 | JdGordon | play doom! |
12:43:22 | GodEater | S_Curran: is something wrong with the rockbox website ? |
12:43:47 | S_Curran | nope, but im just asking, im setting doom up now! woot :D |
12:44:22 | The-Compiler | Play gameboy-games! |
12:44:42 | S_Curran | ohh yea, how do i install iboy? |
12:45:02 | Galois | I downloaded the source on that page and it isn't even linux |
12:45:09 | Galois | it's ecos for ARM or something |
12:45:12 | crop | JdGordon: hm... I've only found "44,48,32,22,24,16" there, without the fractional part |
12:45:20 | DerPapst | iboy = iPL version of GNUBoy. rockbox is rockbox' version of GNUBoy. |
12:45:27 | DerPapst | don't mix 'em up. |
12:45:32 | Galois | hey, wait, I do have an arm cc, from rockbox... |
12:45:36 | JdGordon | crop: could be in the formatter for the setting |
12:45:41 | DerPapst | s/rockbox/rockboy |
12:45:56 | The-Compiler | Rockboy is already installed with rockbox |
12:46:02 | The-Compiler | you need only the games |
12:46:10 | GodEater | Galois: I promise you mine was running linux. Most definitely. |
12:46:53 | Galois | well then you're lucky |
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12:48:40 | crop | JdGordon: isn't it defined individually for every codec? |
12:48:51 | S_Curran | where do i get the games from? |
12:49:13 | DerPapst | S_Curran: google |
12:49:29 | S_Curran | what do i google? ipod wad games? |
12:49:40 | DerPapst | free wads |
12:49:55 | DerPapst | with or without the s |
12:50:35 | S_Curran | and i install them how? |
12:51:02 | S_Curran | also aint it a gameboy emulaotr? |
12:51:45 | DerPapst | then search for free gameboy games. |
12:51:48 | nls | S_Curran: google for gameboy roms open them as you open a filie in the file browser |
12:52:09 | S_Curran | but which directory wud i put the rom in? |
12:52:30 | DerPapst | nls: that's too easy :D |
12:52:33 | nls | S_Curran: just as with music files, you can put them anywhere |
12:52:41 | nls | DerPapst: ah sorry :-) |
12:53:41 | S_Curran | http://www.gameboyroms.org/main.php?platform=Gameboy |
12:53:49 | S_Curran | where wud i put the file then? |
12:53:59 | nls | S_Curran: on your ipod |
12:54:21 | S_Curran | just drag is directly into my e drive? |
12:54:40 | DerPapst | into you e drive or create a subfolder first... |
12:54:43 | DerPapst | doesn't matter |
12:54:47 | nls | S_Curran: if that is your ipod, yes you can do that or you can put them in any directry you wish |
12:55:13 | DerPapst | e.g. "gamebyromswtf" |
12:55:17 | S_Curran | ok cool! are there any other alications for rockbox that aint already on my ipod? |
12:55:30 | DerPapst | no |
12:56:10 | S_Curran | dead on, thnks for all ur help lads! |
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13:10:18 | The-Compiler | DerPapst: Uh? Pacman, Chip8-games and ZX-Spectrum-games aren't already there with Rockbox |
13:14:40 | nls | The-Compiler: well, the plugins are there yo just need to provide roms |
13:20:28 | DerPapst | ^ that is waht i meant. |
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13:21:56 | GodEater | the question was "are there any other applications for rockbox that aren't already there?" - the answer to that question is definitely no. |
13:21:58 | JdGordon | crop: your looking for the strings? or the actual float value? |
13:22:17 | GodEater | it wasn't "are all gameboy roms ever made all included?" |
13:23:08 | The-Compiler | But he has asked "_any other_". But the gameboy-roms aren't there either. |
13:23:56 | DerPapst | linuxstb: mkdmg <volname> <vers> <srcdir> |
13:23:57 | DerPapst | Where <volname> is the name to use for the mounted image, <vers> is the version number of the volume and <srcdir> is where the contents to put on the dmg are. |
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13:25:38 | * | DerPapst just noticed that this was not quiet the right channel.. :D |
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13:27:15 | DerPapst | linuxstb: nvm |
13:27:36 | DerPapst | that was not quiet correct |
13:27:47 | DerPapst | mkdmg is a script. |
13:27:49 | DerPapst | http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20020311215452999 |
13:28:32 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Thanks, that's a very useful script. |
13:29:20 | linuxstb | Those are exactly the steps I do manually in Disk Utility... |
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13:30:49 | DerPapst | linuxstb: but read the comments before. |
13:31:04 | crop | JdGordon: yes. But I've also looked for a formatting func. But found nothing. |
13:31:07 | DerPapst | seems that the script has some issues |
13:31:24 | JdGordon | crop: last place id suggest is menus/recording_menu.c |
13:31:36 | linuxstb | DerPapst: I am now... |
13:32:00 | Nico_P | JdGordon: how's it going with git ? |
13:32:10 | JdGordon | diven up on it |
13:32:11 | Nico_P | I've been playing around a bit |
13:32:18 | JdGordon | decided its just a waste of disk space |
13:32:20 | Nico_P | oh, pity |
13:32:29 | JdGordon | also started worryign about exams |
13:32:33 | JdGordon | first is friday... :'( |
13:32:44 | Nico_P | I didn't bother pulling th whole history, just the last few revs |
13:33:31 | crop | JdGordon: or wait for amiconn or Mike. I think they made it. |
13:35:06 | JdGordon | recfrequency_func in recording_menu.c |
13:36:20 | DerPapst | have to go. work ;) |
13:36:34 | DerPapst | linuxstb: good luck with the script. |
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13:36:44 | crop | JdGordon: ah, yes, now I see. I looked in other file. Do you also find display in kHz and without space less readable? |
13:37:21 | JdGordon | no idea what your talking about :) |
13:37:24 | * | JdGordon doesnt record |
13:37:26 | crop | These (Hz vs. kHz and space) are two independent poits though |
13:37:29 | JdGordon | and expects all audio at 44,1khz |
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13:38:14 | petur | I wouldn't really care because I know what I configured it at |
13:38:23 | crop | JdGordon: no need to do actual recording. Just go to the recording menu, to the frequence setting |
13:40:06 | petur | crop: og ahead if you want to change it, just make sure that whatever you pick fits on the screen ;) |
13:40:15 | petur | s/og/go |
13:41:29 | crop | petur: I don't have a very strong opinion on that. I just think it would look (and be readable) better if it were a. aligned and b. expressed in the same units |
13:41:53 | * | JdGordon wonders if langv3 could allow for partial translatios for users... |
13:42:22 | * | nls wondes what JdGordonmeans... |
13:42:37 | * | JdGordon realises the current langs dont care if some strings are missing d they? |
13:42:46 | nls | nope |
13:43:02 | * | JdGordon has a scary idea for a plugin |
13:43:22 | JdGordon | there is no way it would work tho.. so shutting up |
13:43:34 | petur | do we support ipod serial port yet? |
13:43:37 | nls | or rather, the genlang script uses the english string in the binary lang file if no translation was found |
13:44:00 | nls | s/uses/puts |
13:44:17 | linuxstb | petur: No |
13:44:56 | JdGordon | crop: I tihnk a space between the numbers and (k)Hz would look better, but i wouldnt care if it was k or not... |
13:45:14 | JdGordon | s/better/more readable |
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13:48:00 | crop | If nobody cares I wouldn't submit a patch −− too much overhead. |
13:48:22 | XavierGr | petur: very strange, for me firefox haven't crashed even once after I upgraded to version 2. And I can call my self a heavy user. But for god's sake, if you don't like Firefox then don't go back to IE, Opera is a very good browser too |
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13:51:55 | tucoz | hi |
13:52:53 | tucoz | while rockbox is in a lead against ipodlinux, the current trend is downwards (for both projects) http://www.google.com/trends?q=rockbox%2C+ipodlinux&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 |
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13:53:26 | tucoz | would be fun to see the numbers used for the y-axis |
13:54:25 | Nico_P | tucoz: what's a trend ? the number of searches on a term ? |
13:56:01 | tucoz | a trend is what the curve is looking like (i am not a statistician). Like in 2007, we see both curves going downwards |
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13:56:23 | JdGordon | aliask: you spamming google with rockbox searches also? melb is #10 citie doing the searches... adelaide is 6 ! |
13:57:08 | JdGordon | Your terms - zune-linux - do not have enough search volume to show graphs. :) |
13:57:25 | tucoz | he he |
13:58:56 | tucoz | the zune linux forums should be added in its entirety to the goldenquotes page. that forum is so filled with gems, that it's hard to belive they are for real |
13:59:01 | tucoz | Nico_P, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_trends |
13:59:56 | tucoz | and as it looks like in 2007, the search volume for both rockbox and ipl is on a downward slope |
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14:00:26 | linuxstb | tucoz: Very interesting - the start of 2006 was when the Rockbox ipod ports became usable, and the spike in IPL near the end of 2005 was when the ipod video and Nano were launched... |
14:01:41 | GodEater | it's a shame they don't track the "trail" leading to those terms |
14:01:52 | * | linuxstb wonders why there is a huge interest in IPL in Guadalajara, Mexico... |
14:02:04 | GodEater | like someone starts by searching for "ipod games" and then gets lead to either iPL or Rockbox |
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14:05:15 | tucoz | GodEater, or rather google revealing the trail to us :) |
14:05:37 | GodEater | that's sort of what I meant ;) |
14:12:38 | aliask | JdGordon: Nope, it's all in my head, but #10 is impressive :) |
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14:15:46 | pondlife | JdGordon: You definitely not going to tell about your scary plugin? ;) |
14:15:58 | JdGordon | yep, definatly |
14:16:17 | pondlife | :( |
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14:26:49 | JdGordon | pondlife: ok, ill tell |
14:26:57 | pondlife | Hah!! |
14:27:08 | pondlife | Knew you'd burst eventually.. |
14:27:11 | JdGordon | a plugin to read a plain text file into the xlation buffer |
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14:27:23 | pondlife | xlation? |
14:27:24 | JdGordon | it would have t do some magic with pointers which is why i said its not gonna work |
14:27:28 | JdGordon | translatation.... |
14:28:34 | pondlife | Not related to events then. |
14:29:09 | JdGordon | nope |
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14:42:23 | amiconn | urgh |
14:42:41 | amiconn | libdemac includes a .c file .... |
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14:43:55 | petur | amiconn: is that worse than putting code in a header file? |
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14:56:34 | nls | amiconn: re building with -Os for coldfire: The main binary builds with one warning about breaking strict aliasing, but many plugins error with undefined reference to memcpy, do you know a way around that? |
14:57:07 | amiconn | It's probably gcc trying to optimize struct copying with memcpy |
14:57:50 | amiconn | 2 possible solutions: (1) check the repective plugins where they might be copying structs, and change those places to use rb->memcpy explicitly |
14:58:04 | amiconn | (2) declare a memcpy wrapper in those plugins |
14:58:23 | amiconn | s/declare/define/ |
14:58:43 | nls | yeah, I tried soulution 2 but it felt kind of hackish... |
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15:02:01 | markun | I think we've done it before in some plugins |
15:02:21 | markun | nls: libfaad, mp3_encoder, doom, jpeg |
15:03:10 | nls | markun: ah, I'll take a look, but with jpeg I had some problems even with the wrapper added... |
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15:04:51 | Lear | Another gcc question: -S gives assembler output, but is there an option to annotate that source with the corresponding C code? I seem to recall reading about one, but... |
15:05:29 | markun | nls: I was wrong about jpeg.c |
15:06:45 | nls | markun: ok, but I got errors even with a wrapper... |
15:07:12 | preglow | Lear: i think that's going to be pretty hard when optimising |
15:07:22 | preglow | Lear: code correspoing to one c line might be scattered all over the place |
15:08:16 | Lear | Well, ordinary debug information is pretty much that, but for an optimized build, that could be harder, yes. |
15:10:45 | preglow | i THINK i remember gcc having some such option |
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15:10:55 | preglow | but like i said, i doubt it's of very much use for optimised builds |
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15:11:22 | Lear | I'd like to give it a shot in one case anyway... |
15:12:23 | amiconn | linuxstb: Is there a reason why the historybuffer isn't used as a real ringbuffer (in libdemac)? Would save the memmoving... |
15:12:28 | Lear | Btw, -O1 only shouldn't be that bad. It's one some options that makes code "impossible" to debug. |
15:12:43 | linuxstb | amiconn: Regarding your "urgh" comment - can you think of an alternative way to do it? |
15:13:10 | Lear | Not quite what I was after, but "-g -S" does give line of code information... |
15:13:35 | linuxstb | amiconn: I'm not sure if I understand you, but if it's a true ringbuffer, you would need to range-check all accesses to the buffer to take account of the wraparound. |
15:13:38 | amiconn | ...and since HISTORY_SIZE is a power of 2, addressing should be simple |
15:13:48 | amiconn | Just &= |
15:14:15 | amiconn | And on coldfire, the emac mask can take care of that at no extra cost |
15:15:28 | petur | and another firefox crash - bbl |
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15:19:58 | preglow | amiconn: well, the buffer would need to be aligned with its size, which would mean some memory cost |
15:20:05 | preglow | but not critical in a codec, i guess |
15:20:20 | amiconn | petur: wow.. :/ Btw, I wonder how you can type this if firefox is already crashed... |
15:21:52 | petur | amiconn: yes, it's weird. I had two windows open, and one crashed (gives the windows app error + firefox crash report tool), but the second one (with web irc) stays responsive until I hit OK on the crash report, which closes all windows |
15:22:10 | petur | I've pinpointed it to one site now I think |
15:22:24 | petur | must be some plugin acting up |
15:22:24 | * | amiconn never has 2 ff windows open.... just 20+ tabs in one window |
15:22:38 | * | petur has dualhead :p |
15:23:00 | amiconn | The only odd effect I know of is that the adobe reader plugin sometimes freezes. |
15:23:25 | amiconn | But killing acrord32.exe in this case makes it perfectly responsive again |
15:23:36 | * | petur is not Zaphod Beeblebrox, it's just my pc that is dual-head |
15:24:06 | petur | acrobat does that all the time here |
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15:25:32 | * | linuxstb curses his ADSL connection (again) |
15:26:02 | linuxstb | amiconn: What's the "emac mask" ? Is that something that would require using asm? (I know no Coldfire asm...) |
15:26:32 | amiconn | yes |
15:26:47 | amiconn | m68k-elf-gcc doesn't know about the emac |
15:27:05 | linuxstb | Well, I think the filters would benefit from being written in asm anyway. The code is relatively short... |
15:27:15 | * | amiconn was looking at the filter functions checking how they could be implemented in cf asm |
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15:37:37 | JdGordon | amiconn: whats the story with the 2 fat filename checkin patches on FS? is one going to be commited? |
15:37:58 | JdGordon | 7222 and 6358 |
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16:01:41 | JdGordon | anyone around? Im adding code to make the rec button useable... |
16:01:58 | JdGordon | short press on sansa, long press on iriver to get to rec screen anywhere? |
16:02:06 | JdGordon | or short on both? |
16:03:23 | * | petur thought we would make it configurable (being any one of the main menu entries) |
16:03:41 | JdGordon | could do that also.. |
16:03:47 | petur | long press on iriver anyway |
16:04:08 | JdGordon | I thought the plan was 1 press was going t be configurable, and one was always rec screen? |
16:04:39 | petur | imho, there's maybe not enough people who record... |
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16:06:14 | JdGordon | short press works nicely |
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16:07:34 | dwarfy | Hello I was hoping someone would help with a simple problem i have using my Archos Rec.v.1 |
16:08:19 | JdGordon | petur: not enough ppl recording is a reason to leave the key useless? |
16:08:58 | petur | no, I mean not enough people recording to make the buttion fixed recording screen |
16:09:25 | petur | and I use rec short press to flip on the backlight ;) |
16:09:30 | JdGordon | right, so short shuold be ->rec screen, long is customizable |
16:09:40 | * | JdGordon doesnt even record... |
16:11:53 | dionoea | dwarfy: best way to get help is to ask your question. |
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16:12:02 | petur | as I said, I wouldn't fix the recording screen to a button |
16:12:23 | petur | on short press that is - long press customizable is fine |
16:13:16 | JdGordon | but the button is clearly labeled REC... |
16:13:37 | * | petur looks at the A-B button on his h300 :p |
16:14:07 | * | JdGordon looks at the other 6 buttons on the h300... |
16:14:13 | JdGordon | they all are correct |
16:14:36 | linuxstb | petur So you would want "short press" = "turn backlight on", "long press" - customisable? |
16:14:39 | dwarfy | I use archos recorder v.1 ... I have had it for about 4 yrs. I upgraded from 20gb to 40gb and now 100gb HD. The problem though is the rockbox installation. When i starts the archos it says ROCKBOX v2.1 and if i menu to Firmware it says "No Files" |
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16:15:40 | Domonoky | dwarfy: it seems you havent upgraded correctly, is your archos flashed with rockbox ? |
16:15:56 | * | JdGordon really doesnt like the idea of a shortcut button |
16:16:08 | dwarfy | I flashed it about 3 years ago |
16:16:13 | * | petur doesn't know what he wants on rec short press, he'll get used to it ;) |
16:16:19 | dwarfy | Should I reflash it ? |
16:16:32 | Domonoky | dwarfy: then you have to reflash the new version :-) |
16:16:42 | dwarfy | How ? |
16:17:03 | Domonoky | i think you have to rolo the new version.. |
16:17:25 | Domonoky | and then you can flash the new version, ( have a look in the wiki) |
16:18:07 | Domonoky | rolo the new rockbox.* via the file browser, not via the browse firmware menü.. |
16:18:29 | dwarfy | i think i just fixed it |
16:18:34 | Domonoky | and the rockbox.* file is now in the .rockbox folder not in the root anymore.. |
16:19:04 | dwarfy | wowzas it works! |
16:19:11 | dionoea | what did you do ? |
16:19:11 | Domonoky | dwarfy: du you have now the 2.5 release, or a current build ? |
16:19:18 | dwarfy | current build |
16:19:26 | Domonoky | good, 2.5 is very old.. |
16:20:10 | dwarfy | i clicked on 'show all files" then i got to the root ajbrec.ajz file and it said "roloing;..." |
16:20:30 | dwarfy | after i initialized that .ajz file in the root dir. |
16:20:34 | amiconn | Domonoky: fyi: The firmware file on archos is neither called rockbox.<target>, nor was it moved into .rockbox |
16:21:09 | Domonoky | amiconn: sorry i forgot, its not possible on the archos to move the file... |
16:21:24 | * | Domonoky havent used his archos for a loong time.. :-) |
16:22:03 | Domonoky | dwarfy: i think you have to flash the new version, or else you have to rolo everytime you boot :-) |
16:22:14 | dwarfy | shame on you. archos is superior to all mp3 players! |
16:22:23 | dwarfy | oh |
16:22:45 | dwarfy | you are correct |
16:25:00 | * | Domonoky only has a archos player, so its not very superior, with a charcell display :-) |
16:27:24 | dwarfy | i have two of those. |
16:28:22 | amiconn | Domonoky: It depends on what is deemed essential for an mp3 player |
16:29:02 | amiconn | The sound quality of the mas is very good, better than the various dacs of the newer targets |
16:29:18 | Domonoky | only the runtime isnt very good.. |
16:29:25 | amiconn | huh? |
16:29:31 | amiconn | I get 15+ hours... |
16:29:43 | Domonoky | at least on my player.. i only get like 6 hours with freh batterys.. |
16:29:44 | * | preglow sweats in the heat |
16:29:52 | * | petur too |
16:29:59 | nls | Doom is of course more important than sound quality! (at least if you look in the forums...) :-) |
16:30:11 | * | nls loves the heat :-) |
16:33:39 | preglow | oh, me too |
16:33:45 | preglow | going out for a barbecue and some beers now |
16:33:48 | preglow | wil be quite excellent |
16:33:53 | preglow | will, yes |
16:34:17 | dwarfy | hmm i need to download a flash_rec.zip but i cannot find it |
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16:38:54 | Domonoky | dwarfy: have a look a bootbox: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=BootBox |
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16:48:12 | * | petur wonders why some patches are sent via the mailing list. testing the server maybe? |
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16:55:01 | dwarfy | this is so confusing |
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16:57:00 | * | mpeccorini thinks it's because some patches in flyspray take years to be commited and contributors hope the mailing list will be faster ROFL |
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16:58:37 | preglow | well, to guarantee discussion, i guess |
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16:58:53 | preglow | lot mor probability of that happening on the ml, but the patches themselves should be posted on flyspray |
16:58:56 | preglow | more... |
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17:02:06 | dwarfy | ok im not sure if im about to flash this right. cross your fingers. |
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17:03:02 | webguest82 | greetings from cz :) |
17:03:36 | webguest82 | hi there, anybody uses dict plugin succesfully ? |
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17:07:03 | webguest82 | hi linuxstb! plz, have you ever used dict plugin on rockbox ? |
17:07:27 | linuxstb | No |
17:07:44 | webguest82 | hmmm, thx anyway :-) |
17:07:55 | linuxstb | Have you searched the forums? Maybe also the misticriver forums. |
17:08:02 | dwarfy | so do i need to flash this RomBox first? |
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17:08:42 | webguest82 | linuxstb: yup, only I've found about is http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6697 |
17:09:04 | webguest82 | but according to this it still says, it can't find index file :( |
17:09:10 | * | nls is lost in playback.c :-/ |
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17:10:24 | amiconn | dwarfy: If you currently run rockbox from flash, you don't necessarily need to do a full reflash with bootbox, but it's recommended |
17:11:07 | dwarfy | i dont think i have bootbox or rombox on my archos. i flashed this thing 3.5-4 yrs ago. |
17:11:12 | linuxstb | amiconn: Do you think you may do some Coldfire optimisations for ape, or were you just looking at the potential? |
17:11:23 | amiconn | However, the ability to run _directly_ from rom doesn't exist anymore for current recorderv1 builds, due to increased size of rockbox |
17:12:10 | amiconn | So you could just choose the simple way and only flash the .ucl into your old flash framework (which has archos as a fallback) |
17:12:53 | dwarfy | im so confused |
17:13:13 | dwarfy | the download i got has .bin files for flashing |
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17:13:43 | dwarfy | i downloaded it from the bootbox page |
17:14:13 | amiconn | Well, did you run your old rockbox version from flash? |
17:14:29 | dwarfy | yeah i think so. basically. |
17:14:36 | dwarfy | it loads with v.2.1 so thats really old |
17:14:45 | dwarfy | it still loads like that even now |
17:14:48 | * | amiconn isn't sure since when the ability to flash existed. |
17:15:07 | amiconn | It's been soooo long ago, I don't remember... |
17:15:20 | dwarfy | but if i do a F1-boot and then load the new daily build on my archos... and then go to plugins>flash firmware.... |
17:15:33 | dwarfy | i have these new .bin files in my root,... i can flash it then ? |
17:15:55 | amiconn | You don't use flash_firmware to bring in a current build once you did your first-time flash |
17:16:29 | amiconn | You just "run" rockbox.ucl, which will kick up rockbox_flash, and only flash the second (main) image |
17:16:51 | amiconn | But you _can_ do a full flash, and in case of your old flash image, I would even recommend it |
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17:18:01 | amiconn | If you want that, you have to fetch bootbox_rec.zip from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BootBox |
17:18:05 | dwarfy | oh there i think i reflashed it |
17:18:20 | amiconn | ...unzip that to your recorder, and then run firmware_flash and follow the instructions |
17:18:24 | dwarfy | do i need to run the .ucl file now? or is that just obsolete |
17:18:35 | amiconn | Don't reboot yet. |
17:18:44 | dwarfy | ok |
17:18:57 | amiconn | Set 'show files' to 'all', go to .rockbox and run rockbox.ucl |
17:19:05 | amiconn | Again, follow the instructions |
17:19:30 | amiconn | This will add your current rockbox build as the main image in the flash |
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17:19:48 | amiconn | After that, shut down and reboot. |
17:20:01 | amiconn | If you reboot normally, the current rockbox should start |
17:20:33 | amiconn | If you hold F1 while booting, bootbox will kick in (recognisable by it being text mode only) and in turn load rockbox from disk |
17:21:53 | amiconn | For further rockbox upgrades, you just run rockbox.ucl and follow the instructions. No need to do a full reflash every time |
17:22:55 | dwarfy | thank you sir |
17:23:10 | dwarfy | i believe we have acheived success |
17:24:14 | amiconn | You can also delete the .bin files from the root now |
17:24:41 | dwarfy | ok |
17:24:44 | dwarfy | and i will get the fonts! |
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17:30:39 | Bloodseeker666 | Any life in this chat? :D |
17:30:57 | petur | Bloodseeker666: http |
17:31:03 | petur | argh |
17:31:12 | amiconn | www |
17:31:13 | Bloodseeker666 | lol, what u doing? :D |
17:31:16 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/current.txt |
17:31:49 | petur | life in this channel ;) |
17:31:57 | Bloodseeker666 | Good good :) |
17:32:43 | dwarfy | thanks amiconn |
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17:36:04 | Nico_P | nls: playback.c is a big maze |
17:36:36 | petur | Nico_P: the earth is round, water is wet,.... nothing new |
17:36:58 | Nico_P | :) |
17:40:02 | nls | Nico_P: it gives me a warning a bout dereferencing a type-punned pointer when compiling witj -Os but I don't understand how to fix it... |
17:40:55 | Nico_P | nls: that's in the SVN code or in code you added ? |
17:41:55 | nls | Nico_P: in the SVN code but with the -Os switch added to gcc when building... |
17:42:03 | Nico_P | OK, what line is it ? |
17:42:38 | nls | 1241 |
17:43:07 | linuxstb | nls: I tried -Os (on ARM) for my Monkey's audio decoder, and it halved the size of ape.codec, but made it slower. |
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17:43:38 | nls | linuxstb: slower than -O ? |
17:43:50 | amiconn | I think codecs are compiled with -O2 |
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17:44:21 | nls | amiconn: yeah, most of them, iirc mad is compiled with just -O for arm |
17:45:05 | nls | testing with coldfire I got O3 > O2 > Os > O1 speeds for vorbis |
17:45:19 | linuxstb | nls: Yes. -O, -O2 and -O3 were very similar (between about 84% and 86% realtime, -O3 being the fastest), but -Os was around 73% |
17:46:05 | linuxstb | But I'm explicitly inlining a lot of functions. |
17:47:47 | nls | linuxstb: well, O2 was supposedly slower than O for libmad so it's not very surprising, come to think of it maybe someone should try Os for libmad on an ipod |
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17:48:20 | netmasta10bt | does anyone know if bookmarking is fixed since 070530 |
17:49:16 | Lear | Since when was it broken? |
17:49:34 | netmasta10bt | its broken on my sansa on the 070530 build and the one i had on it before |
17:49:52 | netmasta10bt | it was working before sound was fixed |
17:50:47 | netmasta10bt | now if you load a bookmark it opens the podcast shows the correct time into the cast and then locks up −− have to 15second poweroff |
17:50:57 | linuxstb | netmasta10bt: Have you tried to isolate which build broke it? You can download the last month's daily builds from the website. |
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17:51:33 | netmasta10bt | I have not - I figure someone else had noticed −− I will try to isolate it |
17:51:40 | Llorean | Are you trying on the same files? |
17:51:43 | Lear | Ah, so you get a lock when playback starts. Have you tried resuming on startup, rather than bookmarks? |
17:51:44 | Llorean | Or are you trying with newer podcasts? |
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17:51:55 | netmasta10bt | I have tried with several different podcasts |
17:51:57 | markun | Llorean: do you have a remote with your Gigabeat? |
17:52:10 | netmasta10bt | resuming on startup works fine |
17:52:15 | Llorean | netmasta10bt: Yes, but are any of them specific files (not podcasts, but individual files) that worked before? |
17:52:22 | Llorean | markun: Yes, I do. |
17:52:35 | Lear | That's strange. Resume and bookmark is fairly similar... |
17:52:55 | netmasta10bt | Llorean: i have not tried on a file that worked before |
17:52:58 | markun | Llorean: what do you think is a nice thing to assign to the button with the little speaker with the +? |
17:53:25 | markun | I was thinking of assinging MENU to it so you can navigate almost everywhere with the remote |
17:53:39 | markun | although that has nothing to do with that icon |
17:53:53 | Llorean | markun: What does long press play/pause do right now? |
17:54:11 | markun | nothing I guess |
17:54:27 | GodEater | on the remote or on the keypad ? |
17:54:28 | Llorean | long play/pause could be "Stop" (like iPods) and that button could be Menu allowing for full navigation. |
17:54:32 | Llorean | GodEater: Remote |
17:54:42 | markun | Llorean: yes, good idea |
17:54:58 | Llorean | markun: Long Play/Pause could stop, and very-long could shutdown, like iPods, so you basically have full iPod style control from the remote, except no explicit select button (which isn't really necessary) |
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17:55:14 | Llorean | And "Speaker" serves the menu button functions |
17:55:57 | GodEater | pet peeve of mine with the GB is when you've managed to hit one of the buttons on the main unit in your pocket, which has gone into the menu, and then the remote apparently ceases to work |
17:55:59 | Llorean | Though I guess long-speaker would have to be Context Menu, rather than Quick Menu for the remote, to fill in that one hole in the control scheme |
17:56:08 | Llorean | GodEater: Turn on hold on the main unit |
17:56:13 | netmasta10bt | it does the same on a 1:47min file, the UI does not lock, I can attempt to pick other files but the song does not change, but I can issue a shutdown and restart −− it does not crash |
17:56:43 | GodEater | Llorean: I could have sworn I tried that, and it caused the remote to cease to function too |
17:56:43 | netmasta10bt | rather I dont have to HW poweroff |
17:56:49 | GodEater | although I've not tried it in a while |
17:56:53 | markun | GodEater: that was fixed |
17:57:00 | GodEater | ah well there you go then :) |
17:57:04 | Llorean | GodEater: It used to cause the remote to cease to function, because the LCD power off code didn't work well |
17:57:18 | * | GodEater struggles to see the connection :) |
17:57:25 | Llorean | Basically, the remote would be delayed |
17:57:29 | GodEater | ah |
17:57:33 | Llorean | When the LCD came back on, several buffered remote events would trigger |
17:57:36 | * | Llorean doesn't know why, though |
17:57:38 | markun | well, it was the 'ignore first button press' code which caused the problem |
17:57:41 | GodEater | well if it's fixed now it doesn't matter |
17:57:50 | Llorean | markun: Even when that feature was turned off? |
17:57:54 | * | GodEater hauls his GB out to make sure he's up to date |
17:58:09 | Llorean | At least, I thought I turned that feature off... it was my first guess. =/ |
17:58:12 | markun | Llorean: I think it worked with that feature off |
17:58:14 | Llorean | Maybe I didn't. |
17:58:33 | markun | but yes, there was also some problem with the LCD off code |
17:58:52 | Llorean | Every boot I'd have to go into the debug menu to disable it before using my remote. :) |
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17:59:30 | Lear | netmasta10bt: Finding the most recent build that works would be useful. Much easier to find the change that introduced the problem that way. |
17:59:55 | netmasta10bt | Lear: ok I will try to track it down |
17:59:56 | Lear | Don't have a Sansa, so I can't fix it, but still... |
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18:00:19 | Lear | Also, bookmarking works find on my H140, so it ought to be something target specific. |
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18:00:48 | nls | Nico_P: I managed to fix it :-) No idea what impact my changes will have tho :-) |
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18:01:33 | Nico_P | nls: how did you fix it ? I looked at that line and saw nothing wrong with it, although it's a bit twisted |
18:02:37 | nls | Nico_P: it was the casts that were the problem |
18:02:46 | Nico_P | so you removed them ? |
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18:03:15 | nls | voicebuf is of type char and was casted to unsigned char and voice remaining is size_t and was casted to int |
18:03:49 | nls | No, I changed voicebuf to an unsigned char and voice_remaining to unsigned int (it's a hack) |
18:03:58 | Nico_P | yeah well that's what the function requires as args but it's roughly the same |
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18:04:25 | nls | but now it doesn't throw warnings at me :_) |
18:04:32 | nls | :-) |
18:04:33 | Nico_P | ok so no need for casts anymore :) |
18:05:32 | Nico_P | the main problem was probably on the signed/unsigned thing, because size_t is a synonym of int IIUC |
18:05:44 | netmasta10bt | Lear: Do you have a recent build? I wonder if the bug was introduced with the update on May 26th to the bookmark code to show them as lists |
18:06:00 | GodEater | how bloody irritating |
18:06:03 | nls | Nico_P: I think size_t is unsigned and ssize_t is signed |
18:06:15 | GodEater | gentoo have finally manged to sort out hald in my most recent update |
18:06:23 | GodEater | and it's now auto mounting things |
18:06:36 | GodEater | but not actually telling me it's done it |
18:06:51 | Nico_P | nls, oh that's right |
18:07:05 | Lear | netmasta10bt: No, I've used bookmarks lists quite a bit since then. And I made that change, so I've used it more than that. :) |
18:07:16 | Nico_P | but size_t vs. unsigned int can cause problems on 64 bit machines |
18:07:26 | GodEater | woo - the button lights work too :) |
18:07:34 | Lear | The build I use may be 2-3 days old, but clearly later than that. |
18:07:48 | nls | Nico_P: yeah, I will fix it properly later :) |
18:07:52 | GodEater | only the settings for them appear to have hung my GB :( |
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18:10:28 | markun | I wanted to google for "rockbox sucks" through the search field in firefox but I didn't have to type it all the way because firefox already suggested it to me :) |
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18:21:43 | dwarfy | maybe i should get a new mp3 player. any suggestions? |
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18:25:09 | linuxstb | dwarfy: Anything Rockbox supports apart from the ipods, H10 and Sansa... |
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18:28:15 | nls | amiconn: what is a normal fps for h300 in test_fps? |
18:28:51 | linuxstb | nls: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LcdFrameRate |
18:29:03 | nls | ah, thanks |
18:32:20 | nls | ok, no lost performance in either test_codec or test_fps with the -Os build |
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18:32:46 | * | linuxstb is trying to add an APE icon to iCatcher, but some versions are already using 52 bitmaps... |
18:33:00 | linuxstb | The ones which don't are using 51... |
18:33:09 | nls | linuxstb: remove something :-) |
18:35:03 | linuxstb | That weird circular volume icon? |
18:36:21 | XavierGr | not that, that one is nice |
18:36:31 | XavierGr | and I don't find it weird at all |
18:37:34 | linuxstb | But looking at iCatcher on the h1x0, the codec icon is appearing over the top of the album name - so maybe it could just go... |
18:37:49 | XavierGr | eh? |
18:37:53 | XavierGr | that doesn't sounds right |
18:39:06 | XavierGr | I just looked on my H100, the codec icon is definitely not over the album name |
18:39:19 | XavierGr | it is opposite from the bitrate |
18:39:28 | linuxstb | Sorry, it's artist name. |
18:39:31 | linuxstb | What bitrate? |
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18:39:53 | XavierGr | linuxstb: are you sure you are using the right version of iCatcher? |
18:40:34 | linuxstb | No :) |
18:40:44 | XavierGr | from the bottom: Next track, then progress bar and then bitrate on the left side of the screen with Codec icon on the right side of the screen |
18:40:55 | XavierGr | modified version for your preference? |
18:41:46 | pixelma | XavierGr: I think it wouldn't look weird to have the codec info as text there instead of the bitmap - I mean the bitrate on the other side is text too. But I don't want to decide... |
18:41:52 | linuxstb | No, a completely different theme ;) I'm not sure what it was... |
18:42:03 | linuxstb | iCatcher looks fine... |
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18:42:24 | XavierGr | pixelma, yeah I don't disagree to remove the codec icon, I am against removing the volume circle |
18:42:48 | XavierGr | although if codec icon could stay there I think it would be better |
18:43:07 | XavierGr | too bad Genre9mp3 isn't here to decide |
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18:43:35 | XavierGr | 1 more month for him and then maybe he will get office work like Slasheri did |
18:43:50 | petur | army? |
18:43:56 | XavierGr | yeah :\ |
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18:44:22 | pixelma | iCatcher uses nedore-9 which is quite small on my M5 - the actual pixels are smaller than on the H100s display... |
18:44:41 | XavierGr | pixlema: so it looks strange on M5? |
18:45:00 | pixelma | it's not very handy |
18:45:03 | linuxstb | pixelma: I think I would agree about iCatcher on the h1x0 - text for the icon would it in much better than the icon. |
18:45:11 | linuxstb | ^codec icon |
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18:45:46 | XavierGr | btw what is the plan about the default wps on some targets? |
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18:46:02 | linuxstb | I think we're waiting for a theme to appear that no-one hates... |
18:46:06 | XavierGr | I think that Rockbox should pick one as soon as possible |
18:46:08 | pixelma | linuxstb: maybe you could combine the "bottomline" etc. and use the backdrop tag for it, would gain 3 slots if I see correctly (H100) version |
18:46:26 | XavierGr | linuxstb: my opinion is that we will never find on that no-one hates |
18:46:30 | Llorean | XavierGr: I don't see that it's a rush, we don't have a release version anyway. |
18:46:32 | webguest34 | is someone making rockbox use the broadcam video prcessor in the ipod video |
18:46:37 | XavierGr | linuxstb: the big heads must pick one |
18:46:38 | webguest34 | just wondering |
18:46:39 | pixelma | making it one background picture I mean - currently it is put together |
18:46:42 | Llorean | Right now the important people are interested developers, anyway. |
18:46:55 | XavierGr | Llorean: I don't find a relation between a release and a default wps |
18:47:40 | Llorean | Why does a better default WPS matter: To impress users. Why does a version number matter: To impress users. We can spend time focusing on bugfixing and such without a release, both are really just things that users tend to like. |
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18:47:46 | markun | webguest34: I don't think anyone is working on it |
18:47:48 | linuxstb | My argument is simple - iCatcher gives a much better first impression than the default, at least on colour targets. |
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18:47:56 | XavierGr | exactly |
18:47:57 | pixelma | linuxstb: I mean "upbar" and "bottomline" - freeing 2 |
18:47:59 | linuxstb | Llorean: But it's five minutes effort - I've already posted a patch... |
18:48:05 | XavierGr | indeed |
18:48:06 | Llorean | linuxstb: Have you looked at Denny's candidate for Default? |
18:48:10 | XavierGr | there is no point to delay it |
18:48:21 | XavierGr | it doesn't have to be iCatcher but I think there is a need to pick one |
18:48:35 | Llorean | XavierGr: Until recently iCatcher was the only option. It did have to be it. |
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18:49:00 | pixelma | iCatcher is the only candidate I've seen so far that looks fairly decent on all targets (with almost the same feel) |
18:49:13 | XavierGr | if you ask me I agree, but the option to change the default is always delayed |
18:49:29 | Llorean | pixelma: Does Denny's candidate have grayscale / B&W versions yet? |
18:49:30 | markun | XavierGr: do you as a fellow colour blind person also like the "Rockboxed" theme? :) |
18:49:47 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes, I prefer iCatcher... I don't like those colours, and find it looks busier than icatcher. |
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18:49:52 | XavierGr | markun: actually I hate the colour of it |
18:49:56 | markun | :) |
18:50:00 | XavierGr | markun: and it is too minimalistic for my taste |
18:50:10 | pixelma | Llorean: there's an H1x0 version - mini and Archos is missing still - and I don't like the H1x0 version too much |
18:50:26 | Llorean | linuxstb: I thought it looked a lot simpler to me than iCatcher. |
18:50:33 | XavierGr | markun: but my main turn off is it's colour |
18:51:04 | markun | Let's just make iCatcher the default, we can always switch |
18:51:12 | XavierGr | I fully agree |
18:51:38 | XavierGr | it is just a detail that rockbox must not delay over and over again |
18:51:44 | Llorean | Why mustn't it? |
18:52:02 | * | Llorean honestly can't stand iCatcher. At all. |
18:52:06 | XavierGr | because I find it important to give a good impression on the user that first-tries rockbox |
18:52:10 | linuxstb | Llorean: Then don't use it :) |
18:52:12 | Llorean | I'm probably arguing pointlessly, but I truly loathe that theme's volume display. |
18:52:20 | Llorean | XavierGr: Then fix the bugs. |
18:52:28 | mpeccorini | imho, shouldn't it just let you choose the theme you want the first time it runs? |
18:52:41 | Llorean | There are plenty of more significant poor first impressions right now. |
18:52:43 | XavierGr | why bugs have to do with the default theme? |
18:53:12 | XavierGr | my point is that many times users join here and ask why the interface and wps is so weird and we always have to redirect them to the fonts and theme pages |
18:53:36 | XavierGr | with a default wps we get around at least at the first bad impression that rockbox gives them |
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18:53:54 | markun | Llorean: do you think the current default is better? |
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18:53:59 | Llorean | A backdrop for the menu, and a better font choice would do it better than the WPS |
18:54:23 | XavierGr | Llorean: yes there are more significant things, but if we can solve one why don't solve it |
18:54:27 | markun | I think that almost any change is better than what we have now |
18:54:33 | XavierGr | exactly |
18:54:42 | Llorean | markun: I agree that a default WPS should be chosen, but I don't agree it needs to be such a rush that we should choose what I consider a 'bad' one, just so we can change it again later. |
18:54:51 | pixelma | Llorean: but it also has volume info as number, at least on anything but the Archos |
18:55:09 | markun | I think it's better to do something badly than not do it at all :) |
18:55:10 | * | Llorean shrugs |
18:55:22 | XavierGr | Llorean: again, if there is a solve for one of the problems why not fix it (even if it is temoporal) |
18:55:23 | Llorean | I prefer the default WPS without peakmeters over iCatcher, but that's me. |
18:55:27 | markun | My first crossfeed sucked and make someone want to fix it :) |
18:55:33 | Llorean | I don't think iCatcher is a solution |
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18:55:37 | Llorean | Maybe fix the colors on Rockboxed instead |
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18:56:01 | markun | pixelma: is Rockboxed still monochrome on the grayscale targets? |
18:56:05 | XavierGr | Llorean: I am not talking only about iCatcher (which I support), I am talking about changing the default |
18:56:19 | pixelma | Rockboxed is not a good choice on greyscale and mono |
18:56:25 | Llorean | XavierGr: No, you _are_ talking about only iCatcher, because you're unwilling to wait for anyone else to submit default candidates. |
18:56:37 | Llorean | XavierGr: At the moment iCatcher is the *only* default theme that can really be considered. |
18:56:46 | XavierGr | good lord there is no default wps candidate for over 1 year or more I think |
18:56:50 | markun | I'm unwilling to wait as well |
18:56:51 | pixelma | and Rockboxed is also still missing remote lcd versions |
18:56:58 | Llorean | Give it until the end of Summer |
18:56:59 | Llorean | August |
18:57:13 | Llorean | Several people have stated they're working on something to try to be a default, let's just see what they come up with. |
18:57:18 | XavierGr | I don't find any reason to wait more, if there is a better one we can always change it |
18:57:39 | pixelma | markun: yes Rockboxed is mono an greyscale |
18:57:43 | pixelma | *on |
18:57:58 | markun | Llorean: what's the problem with having iCatcher as the default until someone comes up with something better? |
18:58:18 | XavierGr | he obvisoulsy hates the volume icon :P |
18:58:24 | Llorean | I hate the whole theme. |
18:58:39 | markun | Well, the default theme is not intended to be used by everyone I think |
18:58:48 | Llorean | I think it's a little too inspired by the iPod, and not really good for what we should present "Rockbox" as looking like. |
18:58:48 | markun | just to give rockbox a less text-mode feel |
18:58:48 | XavierGr | well I hate rockboxed too, but I am not against changing it to the default (though it isn't ready for it anyway) |
18:58:57 | Llorean | I'm all for giving Rockbox a less text mode feel |
18:59:18 | pixelma | I think the "paused" animation is a bit too much but I still think it's the best option there is atm (even though I don't use it myself) |
18:59:18 | Llorean | But I think it needs to have an idea of what "Rockbox" is supposed to look like, graphically, rather than just picking any image we have around until we can decide on a new one. |
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18:59:33 | Llorean | The problem is, picking a default theme, is like picking the "Face" of Rockbox. |
18:59:53 | Llorean | You don't just change to a new visual style every time one comes around, it's not a good way to go about things. |
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19:00:12 | XavierGr | and sure its not good to not have a visual style at all for more than 2 years |
19:00:16 | Llorean | Why not? |
19:00:21 | Llorean | What is lost? |
19:00:29 | XavierGr | looks |
19:00:35 | Llorean | Exactly |
19:00:39 | XavierGr | and people coming here complaining |
19:00:46 | Llorean | And then they get pointed to themes. |
19:01:03 | XavierGr | rockbox must be ironed out at all fronts if we can iron out one then I think there is no point to delay it |
19:01:09 | Llorean | People are going to come here and say "I don't like the way it looks" no matter what theme you have |
19:01:16 | Llorean | Because the ONLY people who come in are people who don't know how to change it. |
19:01:27 | XavierGr | you miss the point |
19:01:32 | Llorean | No, I don't. |
19:01:39 | Llorean | What, in a practical sense, do we gain from making it look better? |
19:01:57 | XavierGr | we end a problem that has to do with default behaviour |
19:02:03 | Llorean | What is the problem? |
19:02:03 | XavierGr | it is the same as the icons |
19:02:22 | XavierGr | why did jdgordon introduced icons? because it was better that way |
19:02:34 | linuxstb | Llorean: We change people's (mis)conceptions of what Rockbox is. |
19:02:50 | Llorean | linuxstb: If anything, why not pop up a themes menu on first install with multiple default choices? |
19:02:54 | XavierGr | I can't really understand why you are so negative about the change |
19:03:06 | XavierGr | yeah hell that would be good too than nothing |
19:03:06 | Llorean | I'm negative because the only valid option right now is iCatcher |
19:03:22 | linuxstb | Llorean: I'm not sure why you think it's ipod-like - it's nothing like an ipod... |
19:03:29 | XavierGr | and what is wrong with it? your personal preference? |
19:03:54 | Llorean | linuxstb: Centered lines, progress bar at the bottom, same general layout with extra information stuffed in around the edges. |
19:04:00 | pixelma | Llorean: and I bet Genre9mp3 would be fairly upset if you tell him it looks ipod-like |
19:04:05 | XavierGr | indeed |
19:04:09 | Llorean | linuxstb: It looks, to me at least, like an iPod screen that was built up. |
19:05:02 | Llorean | Look, you guys don't have to listen to me. Any of you can commit it, and I'm not going to do anything crazy like revert it. |
19:05:02 | XavierGr | Genre9mp3 actually tried to design something completely different than the iPod screen, but anyway this is not the point |
19:05:16 | markun | If it's an obvious copyright violation of the ipod UI then maybe we shouldn't do it |
19:05:18 | Llorean | I'm just saying I really don't think iCatcher is what "Rockbox" should look like. |
19:05:25 | Llorean | markun: It's not a copyright violation at all |
19:05:34 | Llorean | It has an iPod "feel" to me, rather than a direct correlation |
19:05:38 | linuxstb | ipod - http://www.markforrester.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/ipod-vs-zune.jpg |
19:05:40 | linuxstb | icatcher - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5297?getfile=11577 |
19:05:57 | XavierGr | the discussion isn't about iCatcher, I think rockbox should try to pick a defualt one |
19:06:23 | Llorean | Yes, and I agree we should pick a default |
19:06:29 | * | petur thinks iCatcher has *no* ipod feel at all |
19:06:38 | Llorean | But I think if the only option for default is iCatcher, we should at least wait until there's a second option |
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19:06:41 | * | XavierGr agrees with petur |
19:06:50 | * | linuxstb too |
19:06:59 | petur | and imo iCatcher is the neatest of all included themes atm |
19:07:03 | XavierGr | Llorean: define how much rockbox should wait for that... |
19:07:04 | markun | we need some first time users to decide |
19:07:12 | Llorean | XavierGr: I said earlier: August |
19:07:27 | Llorean | We've put out a request for default themes, and several people have said they're actually waiting for it. |
19:07:29 | Llorean | err working on it |
19:07:35 | XavierGr | I wonder what those 3 months can get you more than the already 1 year that we are waiting |
19:07:42 | XavierGr | but anyway this is definitely not my call |
19:07:45 | pixelma | linuxstb: seen my suggestion how you could gain a slot for another bitmap in iCatcher? |
19:07:46 | Llorean | XavierGr: A year ago, we didn't ask people for it. |
19:07:57 | Llorean | If you don't tell anyone you want a cross-platform default theme, you can't expect people to work on it. |
19:08:13 | XavierGr | that's why I am putting this into the table, i want to make the developers to take a decision, whatever that is |
19:08:21 | Llorean | XavierGr: A year ago, we also didn't have people tell us that they're, right now, beginning work on one |
19:08:33 | pixelma | linuxstb: (at least in the greyscale versions I think) |
19:08:33 | Llorean | So it's a fallacious comparison. |
19:08:34 | petur | and more IMO, the default theme should have some nice sleek graphics so we don't put off new users who judge on first looks |
19:08:37 | linuxstb | pixelma: Basically create a backdrop? |
19:09:13 | Llorean | petur: I think the most important thing about the default theme is that it looks like what we want people to see Rockbox as. It represents, to a more or less extent, the whole of the firmware. People think of the WPS screen when they think of it. |
19:09:20 | pixelma | linuxstb: yes - combining the upbar/bottomline and use the backdrop tag |
19:09:21 | Llorean | So, some sleekness, some idea of the scope of features, etc. |
19:09:34 | XavierGr | Llorean: I don't think that creating a multi-platform wps is THAT time consuming, how much long does your default wps contest exists? |
19:09:34 | markun | I like the Nudel Green theme, but now that I saw the iPod UI it looks even more like it.. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g#Nudel_Green_5G |
19:10:09 | petur | Llorean: are you one of those 'corporate image branding' guys? :p |
19:10:10 | pixelma | XavierGr: tried it - it _is_ hard if you want good looking for all different displays |
19:10:11 | Llorean | XavierGr: I posted it a month ago |
19:10:23 | Llorean | XavierGr: Why don't you make a cross-platform WPS then, if you think it doesn't take long, and you want one? |
19:10:36 | XavierGr | pixelma: it is hard indeed, that's why there are not many candidates |
19:10:47 | XavierGr | but I don't think that is has to do with time |
19:10:52 | markun | pixelma: did you ever try to design a WPS which works for multiple players? |
19:10:58 | Llorean | petur: I'm one of those "If we're going to change it with the primary reason being 'we need a good first impression' then we also NEED to think about what exactly that impression says" guys. :-P |
19:11:01 | pixelma | I'm trying too, but I'm not pleased with what I got so far |
19:11:30 | Llorean | iCatcher, to me, doesn't say "Powerful, flexible audio tool" |
19:11:42 | pixelma | (especially on the bigger displays - to markun :D ) |
19:11:42 | * | Llorean shrugs |
19:11:56 | Llorean | Anyway, I've said all I have to say about it, since I can see I'm not really winning over people, ;) |
19:12:01 | linuxstb | Llorean: But it doesn't say crappy UI with tiny fonts either... |
19:12:15 | Llorean | linuxstb: True. |
19:12:17 | XavierGr | Llorean: you are still staying into subjective issues |
19:12:21 | Llorean | I'm all for changing the default. |
19:12:27 | Llorean | XavierGr: "A good first impression" IS subjective |
19:12:44 | Llorean | XavierGr: I saw the Rockbox default WPS and responded "Nice, simple and informational, and that's it" |
19:12:52 | XavierGr | again I am not saying put iCatcher as the default I am saying let's pick one |
19:13:04 | petur | Llorean: define how rockbox looks like? Rockbox doesn't 'look' like anything because it is software. And you can make the gui part attractive or not. But I don't think rockbox (as a name) has an 'image' that must be translated into a GUI.... That's marketing and corporate branding talk I don't like |
19:13:16 | linuxstb | pixelma: Any tips for easily combining the bitmaps? |
19:13:16 | pixelma | markun: but I got one which I made versions for Ondio/Mini/H1x0s which I like using myself |
19:13:22 | Llorean | petur: But to "users", Software has a "look". And we're doing this for common users. |
19:13:45 | pixelma | linuxstb: maybe a screendump and erasing the icons/text |
19:13:52 | Llorean | petur: If we're doing it just for a look change, to attract and keep users, it IS marketing. |
19:15:10 | petur | Llorean: we're themeable, we have a first look to take care of, and it must be on the same level as original firmwares of today |
19:15:12 | Llorean | I'm all for picking a default, I just don't see why it hurts so much to wait for people who've said they're working on something to show us what they've got. |
19:15:13 | pixelma | XavierGr: on the backlight mod pic, I didn't see iCatcher ;) |
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19:15:30 | XavierGr | pixelma: yes indeed iCatcher is not a good choice for car usage |
19:15:46 | Llorean | Actually... |
19:15:47 | XavierGr | this is my own text only wps with big font |
19:16:04 | XavierGr | (on all other targets I use iCatcher :P) |
19:16:06 | * | Llorean shrugs |
19:16:22 | * | Llorean would still rather a 1strun theme picking, with previews, by way of a .rock and bitmap previews of the wps, or something similar. |
19:16:37 | Llorean | That solves two problems, rather than one |
19:16:46 | petur | I'd say iCatcher is maybe a bit dull and could use more color contrast on targets that can handle it |
19:16:50 | Llorean | You show a better appearance, and you make it clear that Rockbox is themable to every first time installer |
19:17:28 | Llorean | Or even better, just make RBUtil prompt if you'd like to install themes, and show previews, and give it the ability to set the theme in the config.cfg for you |
19:18:12 | XavierGr | Llorean: that would be good too, but that doesn't evade the need to just have a "default" one |
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19:19:19 | Llorean | Yes, it does. |
19:19:42 | Llorean | If rbutil becomes the only official install process, it'll prompt you about themes on first install |
19:19:54 | Llorean | So there is no default one, except when you've got a bad theme, or no themes present. |
19:20:02 | Llorean | And that one shouldn't have graphics, to save on binary size. |
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19:21:00 | XavierGr | well there is always the option of manual isntallation... |
19:21:27 | Llorean | And manual installers can manually install themes... |
19:21:47 | Llorean | These are people who refuse to follow the official install process, right? |
19:25:55 | linuxstb | pixelma: I've created the backdrop, and it works fine. I've noticed that the WPS backdrop isn't cleared when entering the USB screen from the WPS though... |
19:29:59 | pixelma | oh, true. Never noticed because I've never entered the USB screen from the WPS... maybe that's something for Nico_P then |
19:30:14 | linuxstb | I've just committed a fix. |
19:30:30 | petur | weird... I remember fixing such a bug in the past |
19:30:36 | linuxstb | (just a forgetten #if change when greyscale targets got backdrops) |
19:30:50 | petur | ah |
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19:30:53 | pixelma | I see |
19:31:16 | linuxstb | I think it only affected WPS -> USB screen, where the WPS has a backdrop of its own. |
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19:33:01 | * | pixelma wonders what would happen on the iaudio's remote when using a rwps backdrop... |
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19:38:24 | DerPapst | linuxstb: had success with the mkdmg script? |
19:40:02 | linuxstb | I haven't tried it yet. |
19:40:30 | DerPapst | ok. |
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20:03:44 | amiconn | Wow, a fix for an obscure bug.... |
20:03:57 | * | amiconn would never have noticed that one |
20:04:04 | DerPapst | heh |
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20:04:49 | Slasheri | hmm, the gui/list code seems to be very buggy when paginated scrolling mode is selected. (just updated to the latest build) |
20:06:06 | Slasheri | the line selector disappears and whole list goes blank some times |
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20:07:09 | pixelma | yeah, I believe PaulJam is nagging JdGordon a bit about it - I believe there is a (reopened) bugreport for it too |
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20:39:38 | DerPapst | 30 minutes... good time :P |
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20:40:27 | petur | DerPapst: me? |
20:40:38 | DerPapst | yupp |
20:40:52 | petur | lots of wind ;) |
20:40:59 | petur | in the bad direction |
20:41:01 | DerPapst | you go by bike? |
20:41:06 | petur | yup |
20:41:13 | DerPapst | ah :) |
20:41:23 | petur | green guy ;) |
20:41:41 | * | DerPapst goes by bike daily too :) |
20:41:57 | petur | good... now the rest should do it too |
20:42:09 | DerPapst | hehe.. yes :D |
20:42:15 | petur | but now first eat some food... bbl |
20:43:55 | * | pixelma went home by bike too from work today (partial) ;) |
20:45:05 | DerPapst | also by train? |
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20:46:17 | pixelma | yes |
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20:56:42 | * | Nico_P is installing WinXP in a VM and it's sloooooww... |
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20:58:28 | crop | May I ask an OT question? Or will I be kecked? |
20:59:07 | Nico_P | crop: you'll even be banned for such an abuse :) |
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21:00:03 | Nico_P | just kidding... I don't think anyone will mind right now seeing how the channel is quiet |
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21:02:09 | crop | Nico_P: ok. Does anybody know a unicode aware tool for synching/merging directories? For MS Windows. WinMerge and XEmacs seem to be not unicode enabled. |
21:03:16 | obo | rsync or unison? |
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21:05:20 | crop | obo: both freeware? |
21:05:28 | obo | yes, both open source |
21:06:01 | crop | obo: tanks, I'll try |
21:06:08 | Nico_P | they work on windows ? |
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21:06:49 | obo | there is a native windows build for unison, and versions of rsync built for windows (i.e. cwrsync - uses cygwin paths) |
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21:08:21 | DerPapst | can't you just download the cygwin1.dll thingly then and place it in systems32? |
21:08:37 | DerPapst | ahh.. read something wrong -.- |
21:11:54 | crop | obo: just for the case: both unicode-aware? I.e. they can handle file names with non latin chars in them? |
21:13:10 | obo | I'm fairly sure both can, yes |
21:13:38 | crop | Hm... unison needs GTK+ runtime env :-/ |
21:14:08 | crop | The download page states that |
21:14:23 | petur | strange, the winmerge homepage mentions unicode support... maybe not for filenames |
21:15:40 | crop | petur: yes, I've never had problems when merging files. But failed with dirs |
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21:36:57 | crop | obo: still here? |
21:37:04 | obo | yes |
21:37:48 | crop | obo: I've tried unison on a small example dir. Non latin files were ignored by the text version. |
21:39:36 | obo | I've only used the GUI before, and currently I'm not using Windows, but I have in the past and I don't remember any issues with odd characters |
21:40:47 | crop | I've just run unison with debug mode (-debug all) and see that non latin files are listed as "????" Probably non unicode version of win API is used. |
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21:41:34 | crop | My console is in unicode mode, DIR shows all the files correctly. But I'd better stop to spoil this channel |
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21:47:47 | DanielW | mhh |
21:47:49 | DanielW | hi |
21:48:43 | DerPapst | lo |
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21:49:47 | DanielW | i pressed wild on the buttons of my up and then i got a srv diagnose screen. what is the key compination for that? |
21:50:29 | DerPapst | which player? |
21:51:35 | DanielW | apple ipod g5 |
21:51:56 | DerPapst | rew + center |
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21:52:42 | DanielW | ok, and now i can not switch it off or reset |
21:52:48 | DerPapst | reset |
21:52:54 | DanielW | selected "SDRAM Full Test" |
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21:53:15 | DanielW | ok should be MENU + SELECT to reset? |
21:53:19 | DerPapst | yes |
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21:55:37 | gilster | help with ogg files on sansa? |
21:56:18 | Bagder | what about them? |
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21:56:44 | DerPapst | brb |
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21:57:20 | gilster | Badger: i want to know how efficiently (power battery) they work with sansa and latetes rockbox |
21:57:30 | gilster | i am using ccphans build |
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21:57:50 | Bagder | I'm not aware of any codec speed tests on a recent sansa rockbox |
21:58:18 | gilster | ok |
21:59:02 | gilster | i understood from assorted comments in the forum that playing oggs is more CPU intensive, reducing battery drastically |
21:59:39 | Bagder | I don't think the difference is huge |
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22:00:00 | Llorean | It's more cpu intensive, but on the arm targets (including Sansa) I'm pretty sure it's not too big a difference. |
22:00:24 | Llorean | At least, it didn't used to be. |
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22:01:25 | gilster | ok thanks. same goes for AAC/mp4 files? |
22:01:46 | Llorean | I believe those are worse than Ogg/Vorbis, but I'm not sure. |
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22:01:53 | stationearth | linuxstb: are you around? Do you have time? |
22:03:00 | gilster | ok thanks for letting me know |
22:03:49 | gilster | i had a bunch of AAC files on the player from previous cd rips and i found that battery life did last quite dramatically less. |
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22:15:14 | petur | wow 14KB increase on sansa... |
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22:15:28 | Bagder | ok, limbus box is now re-added to the list to see if it works |
22:16:28 | Bagder | anyone has any commit pending? |
22:17:03 | Llorean | petur: With what? |
22:17:03 | * | petur crawls under a rock(box) |
22:17:21 | Bagder | the fm tuner support added that |
22:17:29 | petur | yep |
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22:23:25 | pixelma | Bagder: there is still the "The the" in line 12 here... http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/docs/UISIMULATOR?r1=6886&r2=13085&pathrev=13085 ;) |
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22:24:22 | Bagder | a spell fix commit is what we need! ;-) |
22:24:30 | Bagder | well, language fix |
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22:26:19 | crop | obo: still here? :-) |
22:26:43 | Bagder | pixelma: will you commit it? |
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22:26:51 | obo | yup |
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22:27:22 | crop | obo: there is file sync powertoy from MS. Very nice. |
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22:27:39 | pixelma | Bagder: thought I leave it up to you |
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22:28:22 | Bagder | ok |
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22:28:24 | obo | nice find. Could come in handy should I have to resort to the dark side again :) |
22:29:13 | crop | obo: yes. Many say MS is evil but they do produce good software. |
22:29:38 | * | DerPapst knows some other typos too |
22:30:18 | DerPapst | in /rbutil/sansapatcher/bin2c.c |
22:30:51 | DerPapst | some "ipod2c"'s have to be changed to "bin2c"'s |
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22:32:12 | Bagder | DerPapst: I'll save them if I need some follow-up commits ;-) |
22:32:29 | DerPapst | hehe ok :) |
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22:33:40 | delorean90 | if the iriver OF dosent recognize anything located on my player do i just do a database refresh? |
22:34:38 | crop | delorean90: I'd say you first check that the HD is still ok |
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22:35:45 | delorean90 | oh the hd is fine im positive of that, it works fine with rockbox, i just need to swutch to the OF to see if either my battery is shot, or that there is a problem with rockbox causing my <20min battery life |
22:36:48 | crop | delorean90: iriver what? I.e. what model? There are no problems with h1xx and h3xx afaik |
22:36:59 | crop | h10 is a different beast |
22:37:07 | delorean90 | oh yes sorry, it is an iriver h10 20gb |
22:37:53 | delorean90 | i understand there are stil issues wit the h10, but i have had 5-6 hours on earlier builds (before march 20th) and now i get practically none |
22:38:27 | crop | delorean90: then yes, there can exist problems with battery (I think) Since h10 is more like iPods IIRC and there, not all problems have been ironed out |
22:38:58 | crop | delorean90: I can't tell more since I don't own h10 |
22:39:06 | delorean90 | yes, from what i understand there is alot to be done with battery life on those afformentioned players |
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22:43:31 | Bagder | seems limbus nailed the problem |
22:43:53 | Bagder | ubuntu... |
22:47:25 | Bagder | 17 servers ain't bad |
22:48:27 | petur | but still 6 minutes... |
22:48:47 | petur | why are some builds taking so much longer |
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22:48:52 | Bagder | yes, but that's due to they builds not being parallel and some builds are so slow |
22:50:01 | Bagder | I intend to work on that |
22:50:10 | Bagder | the parallel builds I mean |
22:50:32 | Bagder | to basically keep all servers busy until all builds are done |
22:50:51 | Bagder | then kill all remaining builds |
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23:03:49 | Pieman | Hi. |
23:04:04 | Pieman | Can you explain how to download a rockbox build for an iPod Video? |
23:04:21 | Bagder | Pieman: you tried reading the manual? |
23:04:33 | Pieman | All it says is to download the build |
23:04:38 | Pieman | doesn't explain how |
23:04:47 | Bagder | click on the image |
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23:05:11 | alienbiker99 | build is updating |
23:05:21 | alienbiker99 | nvm its done |
23:05:23 | Pieman | Ah. |
23:05:28 | Pieman | I'll check again |
23:05:52 | Pieman | Okay, I see the build. How do I download it? |
23:06:11 | Bagder | click on the picture with the ipod video on it |
23:06:30 | Pieman | Okay. |
23:06:31 | Bagder | get the 64MB build if you have a 60 or 80GB version |
23:06:31 | alienbiker99 | Pieman is it an 80gb video? |
23:06:40 | Pieman | No. |
23:06:43 | Pieman | I have a 30gb video |
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23:08:26 | Pieman | Just out of curiosity...why is it so complex trying to find the download? There's no big sign that says "DOWNLOAD HERE"; we're just left to find it out eventually. |
23:08:42 | Pieman | I clicked the link next to the build at first |
23:09:05 | Bagder | Pieman: the site has a menu to the left where it says "downloads" |
23:09:19 | Bagder | there it has an entry saying "current build" |
23:09:23 | Pieman | That |
23:09:30 | Pieman | *That's where I went |
23:09:35 | Pieman | I'm talking about on the build page itself. |
23:09:49 | Pieman | Who would think to click the iPod without knowing anything about the page? |
23:09:54 | Bagder | well, you're not downloading a release version |
23:10:04 | Bagder | you're downloading a snapshot of a development version |
23:10:25 | Bagder | Pieman: most people seem to have no trouble doing that |
23:10:45 | Pieman | Oh, I'm not having trouble doing it. |
23:10:51 | Pieman | It just seems rather inobvious. |
23:11:00 | Bagder | but then, we have been discussing providing an "easier" page |
23:11:07 | Pieman | I guess the people that download this, for the most part, are used to poor webpage designs |
23:11:09 | Pieman | :) |
23:11:24 | Bagder | Pieman: everyone who ever used internet should be used to that |
23:11:26 | Pieman | anyways, I'm going to read the manual on how to install this now... |
23:12:47 | dionoea | Does rockbox have an official coding style ? |
23:12:52 | Pieman | anyways, I'm all set with this. |
23:12:55 | Pieman | Thanks. |
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23:13:16 | Bagder | dionoea: somewhat, yes |
23:13:28 | Bagder | see docs/CONTRIBUTING |
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23:13:54 | dionoea | ok, great. /me can't bear the xobox coding style :) ... especially the '{' on the same line as the loop or if instructions |
23:14:31 | dionoea | ah, looks like that isn't part of the rockbox coding style |
23:14:36 | dionoea | I leave it as it is then |
23:15:15 | pixelma | dionoea: seen my report(s) about the xobox Archos version? |
23:15:35 | dionoea | I'm not sure. But i commited a few archos related fixes a few minutes ago |
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23:19:46 | pixelma | ah, sorry - didn't see that. Yes, the first commit looks like fixing the thing I noticed. :) |
23:20:46 | pixelma | and I just wondered why it is "inverted" to what I expected from looking at the greyscale version |
23:21:08 | dionoea | the colors ? |
23:21:48 | pixelma | if one can call that colours... yes ;) |
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23:22:24 | limbus | juhuuu |
23:22:25 | amiconn | Well, it can be called colours... at least on an unmodded recorder ;) |
23:22:35 | amiconn | Green clearly is a colour... |
23:22:53 | pixelma | it's not important - just not what I expected |
23:23:02 | limbus | Bagder, why 'M' ? Because I modified the configure script ? |
23:23:08 | limbus | I can relink sh -> bash |
23:23:10 | Bagder | yes |
23:23:17 | dionoea | well ... it's most likely due to the fact that i never ran the greyscale version |
23:23:27 | limbus | but I'd say that if the configure NEEDS bash, it should not request any shell |
23:23:29 | Bagder | since the rev number is extracted with 'svnversion', it adds an M if the source is modified |
23:23:33 | pixelma | dionoea: it's also coloured on my Ondio - black on cyan :D |
23:23:51 | Bagder | limbus: I don't think it needs bash, it mostly just don't need dash |
23:24:00 | limbus | okay |
23:24:03 | limbus | I'll relink it |
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23:27:02 | pixelma | dionoea: I think the greyscale version is closer to the (real) colour version, i.e. the "board" is black in the beginning... Btw xobox is quite fast on the Ondio, nice work. |
23:28:11 | DanielW | what is xobox? |
23:28:27 | dionoea | If you really want to you can change the color :) I really don't have a preference :p (about the speed issue: the original code was written to take loads of time to compute ... as if it was done on purpose) |
23:29:29 | limbus | Bagder, done, sh -> bash |
23:29:57 | pixelma | DanielW: browse your plugins (assuming you use rockbox) |
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23:30:26 | dionoea | for each block on the screen the algorithm would (in the worst case) go through all the empty blocks and check if a qix was there. Which means about (height*width/(8*2))^2 check if a qix is on this block operations. |
23:30:34 | DanielW | yeah using rockbox, but haven't tried most of the plugins yet |
23:30:41 | dionoea | Now it's more like (height*width/(8*2))^1 checks |
23:31:24 | dionoea | DanielW: if you ever get bored on a bus / train / plane, i recommend the xobox, solitaire, star and sokoban plugins |
23:31:38 | dionoea | (the only issue with star and sokoban is that they're no fun once you know the levels |
23:31:45 | dionoea | mazeman is also quite fun |
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23:35:05 | DerPapst | dionoea: maybe expand the levels then :P |
23:35:27 | DanielW | if often find it hart to leave the plugins |
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23:35:54 | dionoea | DerPapst: Creating fun sokoban or stars levels requires elite skills that i don't have :) |
23:36:10 | DerPapst | hehe |
23:36:21 | dionoea | DanielW: hum, almost forgot. Jewels can be fun too (except on iPod where the wheel interferes with cursor movements) |
23:36:42 | dionoea | btw, does anyone here play minesweeper on an iPod ? I find the default keymap impossible to use |
23:36:59 | * | DerPapst agrees |
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23:37:15 | DanielW | i can not leave this worm plugin |
23:37:36 | dionoea | either long menu, or long select or menu+Select will leave most plugins |
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23:37:57 | dionoea | (for ipods) |
23:37:57 | DanielW | ok thanks, |
23:38:07 | DanielW | yes ipod |
23:38:31 | pixelma | dionoea: eww - I almost forget. It bugged me when I tried on a Mini and I think I might still have a patch flying around here |
23:38:44 | dionoea | for minesweeper ? |
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23:39:41 | DerPapst | dionoea: minesweeper: center to "click" on the field menu: up p/p: down flag: center+ply/pause |
23:39:42 | pixelma | hmm, yes. Let me have a look |
23:39:53 | DerPapst | and select+menu short to leave |
23:40:00 | dionoea | pixelma: that's be awesome :) |
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23:40:37 | DerPapst | that would be mine preferred scheme ;) |
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23:42:30 | dionoea | DerPapst: center + other key to put a flag while center unveils the block would be a bit dangerous IMO |
23:42:51 | dionoea | maybe "scroll the wheel" could be used to flag the block |
23:42:58 | pixelma | DerPapst: I had something like "short select" - set the flag and "long select" - reveal fild. Mostly because this is similar to what I got on my Ondio with "mode" and "long mode" |
23:43:05 | dionoea | well, to toggle through "flaged / question mark / empty" |
23:43:16 | pixelma | *field |
23:43:17 | dionoea | ah, that would be fine too |
23:43:18 | Tekrad | anyone doing at91 development? |
23:43:21 | DerPapst | pixelma: that sound pretty good :D |
23:43:41 | Bagder | Tekrad: that sounds really way off rockbox, but yes ;-) |
23:43:48 | dionoea | ah, /me didn't provide a question mark flag in minesweeper |
23:43:51 | Tekrad | :) |
23:43:52 | dionoea | makes it easier to handle :) |
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23:44:23 | Tekrad | can you point me to where people are doing at91 dev work? |
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23:44:44 | Bagder | Tekrad: the linux-arm kernel mailing list, if you mean linux on at91 |
23:45:13 | Bagder | at91.com I guess too |
23:45:18 | Tekrad | Bagder: cool...you seem pretty knowledgable |
23:45:25 | Tekrad | no luck on at91.com |
23:45:37 | Bagder | I've worked a bit with at91s |
23:45:42 | Tekrad | trying to figure out how to secure specific pages of mem |
23:45:48 | Tekrad | cool! |
23:45:50 | Tekrad | same here |
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23:49:42 | pixelma | Bagder: hanging build? |
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23:50:22 | Bagder | sigh |
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23:50:53 | DerPapst | pixelma: how can i define short and long button presses for a certain button? Something like (BUTTON_SELECT | ???) ? |
23:51:24 | * | DerPapst can't find any example |
23:52:05 | dionoea | you need to use the new keyboard/action API IIRC |
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23:52:49 | pixelma | DerPapst: look for the BUTTON_REPEAT and sometimes it needs a _PRE define to tell short and long presses apart |
23:52:50 | Dwyloc | dionoea: while you are working on the star plugin do you fancy fixing it so it works on the ipod nano again. It has lockedup the nano on screen transition effect since it was introduced. I believe the Gigabeet had the same problem so the effects were disabled on the gigabeet. |
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23:53:16 | dionoea | Dwyloc: My last commit fixed the lockup on iPod video too ... might have fixed it on nano |
23:53:24 | dionoea | you should give it a try (I cant :p) |
23:54:05 | pixelma | dionoea: I found the patch in an ooold checkout - have to update first |
23:54:17 | dionoea | cool :) |
23:54:27 | Dwyloc | Last time I tested on the video (last night) it did not lockup it was just very slow. |
23:54:53 | dionoea | It locked up when i tested (once only) 2 or 3 days ago. |
23:55:08 | Dwyloc | But I can test again on the nano if you like. |
23:55:16 | dionoea | that'd be nice |
23:55:21 | alienbiker99 | man setting up cygwin takes a long time |
23:55:44 | Dwyloc | the nano lockedup ever time, I filled a bug report at the time but no one fixed it. |
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