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#rockbox log for 2007-06-06

00:00:08Dwylocdionoea: Thanks for the work on Xobox it now plays very well on my ipod video, while you are working on Xobox it would be nice if you could add a high score feature or score table :)
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00:00:24dionoeaDwyloc: I'm not a high score fan :)
00:01:30dionoeaHum, what draw mode should i use on a mono target to draw a bitmap in inverse mode?
00:01:35Dwylocdionoea: oh well just thought I would ask, just thought it would be nice to use the score for some thing.
00:01:35dionoea(well, only the bits set to 1)
00:01:41bluebrotherhmm. How long should a git-svnimport run?
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00:03:02limbusBagder, how could that be debugged ? change configure to dump the input ?
00:04:15amiconndionoea: What do you mean?
00:04:17Bagderyeah, that's one idea
00:04:49dionoeaamiconn: well if you look at the code i commited. I'd like it to draw the bitmaps i'm giving it as argument and not black (or white) squares.
00:04:59dionoeaAnd i can't find why it's not working.
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00:05:17dionoeaPlayer cursor needs to be drawn in inverse mode (that would be fine for the qixes too)
00:06:05limbusI suppose I cannot modify configure, since the master servers task will checkout upon new, isn't it ?
00:06:12 Quit ender` (" Some people have one of those days. I've had one of those lives.")
00:06:38Bagderit svn updates
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00:07:29limbusthen I could
00:08:53limbusit already does echo $response
00:09:01dionoeaamiconn: any idea how i could do that ? or does lcd_mono_bitmap simply not know about inverse vid mode ?
00:09:04limbusso the buildlog shows it's NOT a newline
00:09:11amiconndionoea: It does
00:09:26amiconnI just can't figure out how it's supposed to work just from the source
00:09:34dionoeaneither can i :)
00:09:53amiconnFrom your source, I mean
00:10:08dionoeai understood.
00:10:20amiconnDo you want '1' bits to set the lcd pixels to white, and '0' bits not change anything?
00:10:37dionoeai want 1 bits to set it to !current color.
00:10:53dionoeaSo 1 bits to set it white on black pixels and black on white pixels.
00:10:58dionoea(like the text does)
00:11:18amiconnThen just use DRMODE_COMPLEMENT
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00:11:46dionoealast time i tried that didn't work :(. Let me try again
00:11:55amiconnBut the code uses many different modes for >1 bit as well
00:12:12dionoeaDRMODE_COMPLEMENT doesn't draw anything (for bitmaps)
00:12:46amiconnIt does
00:12:55dionoeawell it doesn't here :/
00:13:05dionoeaunless i need to | it with something else
00:13:06amiconnText characters _are_ bitmaps
00:13:22dionoeai understand what you're saying. I'm just saying that it doesn't work here.
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00:13:40dionoeafor some obscure reason
00:14:13amiconnMaybe you call it twice by accident?
00:14:20amiconn(with same bitmap & position I mean)
00:15:52dionoeait's only called once as far as i can tell (+ the function begins with a clear_display so i'm sure that it can't be due to code from somewhere else)
00:16:34dionoeaare bitmap sizes smaller than 8x8 legal ? (i'm using 4x4)
00:17:12dionoeahum ... i give up :/
00:17:39amiconnBut I wonder about the logic in refresh_board() in general
00:17:55dionoeawhich part?
00:18:09amiconnFor depth >1 it just sets the background color to black, which doesn't change anything on the display by itself
00:18:21dionoeadepth >1 works fine AFAIK
00:18:23amiconnAnd for depth == 1 it clears everything first
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00:18:37dionoeabecause it overwrites all the screen for depth > 1
00:18:38amiconnIt's not that I doubt that it works for depth > 1
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00:18:52amiconnI just wonder why depth == 1 is so different
00:18:52dionoeawhile it doesn't for depth < 1 (since it doesn't draw empty spaces)
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00:19:39amiconnWhich line is the problematic one?
00:19:53dionoeathe two lcd_mono_bitmap calls
00:20:09dionoeaif you add a rb->lcd_set_drawmode (DRMODE_COMPLEMENT); call right before each of those it doesn't seem to have any effect
00:20:20dionoeawell ... not the wanted effect (looks like it disabled drawing)
00:20:46dionoeaenemies should be drawn a 'o's and the player as an 'x'
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00:27:07webguest35can any1 help me ipodpatcher? i is not working well...
00:28:20webguest35hleo any1 here?
00:28:21amiconndionoea: Is it intended that the player and enemies are pure squares?
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00:28:52webguest35can any1 help me with ipodpatcher issue?
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00:28:58linuxstb_webguest35: Just say what the problem is.
00:28:58DerPapstwebguest35: ask the actual question. maybe someone knows the answer.
00:29:00amiconnThey seem to have only background pixels
00:29:18amiconnThis of course means that you see nothig when drawing with DRMODE_COMPLEMENT
00:29:34webguest35well i run ipod patcher with my ipod unmounted and it says it cannot find an ipod....
00:29:37dionoeaamiconn: no. They're supposed to be the bitmaps defined on lines 235 and 236
00:29:52dionoeaUnless i got those wrong
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00:30:05amiconnHow did you create those?
00:30:14dionoeausing my keyboard
00:30:21amiconnBtw, it would be better to use the bitmap build system for this kind of things
00:30:26*dionoea tries swapping both digits
00:30:32amiconnProtects from mistakes like this...
00:30:49linuxstb_Vampyr3: What kind of ipod do you have? What OS are you using? Which version of ipodpatcher?
00:30:50Vampyr3any1 ave a solution with ipod nano 1st gen ipodpatcher issue?
00:31:12Vampyr3im usin os x 10.4
00:31:22Vampyr3 ipodpatcher not sure lemme check
00:31:22DerPapstVampyr3: ask the actual question
00:31:44Vampyr3err ipodpatcher 1.1
00:31:45dionoeaooh! digit swaping fixed it :)
00:32:03Vampyr3ipod patcher does not recognize my ipod at all
00:32:11Vampyr3says there is no ipod connected...
00:32:13linuxstb_Vampyr3: Did you convert it to FAT32? If so, does your ipod still work normally?
00:32:13*amiconn points dionoea to firmware/drivers/rockbox/lcd-1bit-vert.c line 471 ff
00:32:34amiconnThe format is described there: LSB at top...
00:32:43Vampyr3ye i converted it to fat32 but no it still opens wit itunes but it never boots up into default firmware...
00:32:46DerPapstVampyr3: and are you running it as root?
00:33:08Vampyr3well im an admin on my pc unless u want me to use sudo
00:33:22amiconnThe hex numbers in the comment are wrong.. and there's a stray 1 bit as well
00:33:23linuxstb_Vampyr3: If the default firmware doesn't work, then ipodpatcher won't - you need to get that working first.
00:33:41Vampyr3but how? i have no acces to a windows pc
00:34:01Vampyr3and when i format into fat 32 then it wont work with rockbox
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00:34:16Vampyr3well it will work if i format
00:34:22linuxstb_How are you formatting to fat32? Are you following the instructions on the Rockbox website?
00:34:26Vampyr3it wont work as usual since its formatted
00:34:41Vampyr3i am but odly its not working as it shud
00:35:11Vampyr3wen i formatted it looked all ok seemed like it wrote it and all but then formatted into fat 32 wich made it a disk drive itself
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00:35:37linuxstb_Which instructions are you following?
00:35:38Vampyr3if i unzip the rockbox.zop it writes all the data ok but then when i launch th bootloader it wont work
00:35:47linuxstb_(to convert to FAT32)
00:36:07Vampyr3im running it with terminal
00:36:17Vampyr3except the formatting im using disk util for it
00:37:14Vampyr3any ideas?
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00:38:16linuxstb_Yes - you didn't follow the instructions correctly. If I was you, I would restore your ipod with itunes, make sure it's working, then try the conversion again.
00:38:40linuxstb_These are the conversion instructions -
00:39:02Vampyr3but what difference will it make? since im formatting it wont it completely erase all data off the ipod?
00:39:28linuxstb_We just made those instructions for the fun of it...
00:39:31Vampyr3i was using those instructions all the way..
00:40:58Vampyr3it wont restore
00:42:18Vampyr3so when will tere be a stable release for nano?
00:43:13linuxstb_When it's stable - there are no time estimates in Rockbox.
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00:43:43Vampyr3well it still seems like a good idea
00:43:56Vampyr3all those extra tools are a godsend
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00:47:13Vampyr3ok well thanx for the help ill still be connected for help if i need
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00:57:15Vampyr3nop still the same error
00:57:20Vampyr3[INFO] Scanning disk devices... [ERR] No ipods found, aborting [ERR] Please connect your ipod and ensure it is in disk mode [ERR] Also ensure that itunes is closed, and that your ipod is not mounted. [ERR] Please refer to the Rockbox manual if you continue to have problems. Press ENTER to exit ipodpatcher :
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00:58:12linuxstb_And the original firmware is working on your ipod?
00:58:17DerPapstand you've also done everything that ipodpatcher suggests?
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00:58:36Vampyr3this is the 3rd time it happened
00:58:51Vampyr3shud i eject the ipod again?
00:58:57DerPapste.g. b&w diskmode, diskutil unmound /dev/disk*** and such
00:59:20linuxstb_You shouldn't eject it, just unmount the FAT32 partition.
00:59:20Vampyr3sudo dd if=mbr-nano2gb.bin of=/dev/disk2s3 Password: 1+0 records in 1+0 records out 512 bytes transferred in 0.002675 secs (191398 bytes/sec)
00:59:48DerPapstthat is what you've don?
00:59:59linuxstb_You'll be wanting to do "of=/dev/disk2"
01:00:00Vampyr3then formatted
01:00:13Vampyr3doe it make a difference?
01:00:20DerPapstcorrect me if i'm wrong but afaik it has to be sudo dd if=mbr-nano2gb.bin of=/dev/disk2
01:01:01Vampyr3well when i got the info about the ipodit said disk2s3
01:01:13DerPapstyou've dd'ed the mbr to a wrong place
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01:01:21Vampyr3oh nuts
01:01:24DerPapstremove s3
01:01:31DerPapsts3 is the hfs+ partition
01:01:32Vampyr3so basically i set it to the partition i erased?
01:01:42Vampyr3oh gosh
01:01:50Vampyr3well o wonder it didnt work
01:01:59Vampyr3hmmm ill try it again
01:02:09DerPapstrestore first :P
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01:02:37Vampyr3yepp thats wat im duin
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01:03:36bill123i need serious help...can someone help me?
01:03:56linuxstb_Explain your problem, and if someone can help, they will.
01:04:59bill123Well i wanted to try to remove rockbox, so i just deleted the folder from the ipod. Then i unplugged my ipod from my computer and it was normal.
01:05:14bill123the sleep button didnt work so i rebooted it holding down menu and the center button
01:05:26bill123it rebooted and is now stuck
01:05:38bill123it shows a picture of the apple with a black back ground
01:05:43DerPapsthave you uninstalled the bootloader too?
01:05:46linuxstb_Reboot again, and then immediately press and hold SELECT and PLAY together.
01:06:04bill123(no i havent uninstalled the boot loader
01:06:09bill123ill try it linuxstb
01:06:42linuxstb_The install chapter in the manual has uninstallation instructions.
01:06:45limbusBagder, can it be, because sh is linked to dash instead of bash ? Is there such a big difference in piping input to configure ?
01:06:45Vampyr3nooo!!! argh!!!!
01:07:03Vampyr3its not restoring!!!
01:07:19bill123but now its in disk mode
01:07:28bill123how do i get it out when im done?
01:07:46linuxstb_Reboot again - menu+select
01:07:47DerPapstbill123: do you have the bootloader still installed?
01:08:20DerPapstif you don'T want rockbox anymore i suggest to remove it too
01:08:29bill123i know
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01:08:48bill123im trying to look for the bootloader =[
01:09:14linuxstb_The install chapter in the manual has uninstallation instructions....
01:09:24DerPapstuse ipoaptcher to uninstall it. it's in the manual
01:09:36DerPapstin short: ipodpatcher -d
01:09:44bill123oh ok
01:09:52linuxstb_Even shorter - run ipodpatcher, and select "u" for uninstall.
01:10:09bill123put wasnt there a bootloader that came with rockbocx, and it had the choice install, uninstall, cancle'
01:10:15bill123ok yeah
01:10:16DerPapstif cmd is already running -d is faster :P
01:10:21*DerPapst hides
01:10:36linuxstb_That's ipodpatcher - it's a program that installs (and uninstalls) the bootloader onto your ipod.
01:10:47*bill123 smashes ipod
01:10:59bill123problem fixed
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01:14:10bill123ok wait... i downloaded the manual, HTML version, and i got a file... which file has the uninstaller on it
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01:17:33bill123nvm i found it
01:17:36bill123ty very much
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01:18:43*DerPapst wonders if miepchen^schlaf is sometimes awake too....
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01:21:17pixelmahe must be, I've seen a login from rz.uni-potsdam too - also you can find a line of nonsense in now yesterday's log but probably talking in his sleep...
01:21:21bill123ok how do i know if i uninstalled it completely?
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01:23:04pixelmadionoea: xobox is quite fast on my Ondio (with default settings) but is it on purpose that it is in "inversed colours" to what I would have expected from the greyscale version?
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01:24:25DerPapstpixelma: he's indeed talking strange things :)
01:25:04limbushe ? sounds rather like a she
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01:26:38DerPapstis there something mor neutral instead if he or she?
01:26:40limbussecond proof: talking strange things :)
01:26:48limbus"it" ?
01:26:59DerPapstit sounds a bit mean :P
01:27:09pixelmabut what s/he said yesterday doesn't sound girl-like
01:27:22*limbus looks up
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01:27:47DerPapsttrue... whoever sarnac is.. r.i.p.
01:28:51limbusit is happy about it's dead
01:29:36DerPapstwhich is even more odd ^^
01:29:55limbuslet's hope it hit the wrong shell/window
01:30:06pixelmaI'm a bit scared to meet it on the street...
01:30:10limbusor reads the log :)
01:30:27limbuspixelma, you won't: it sleeps
01:30:40pixelmawell... sleepwalker
01:31:12DerPapstluckily i'm living on the other side of berlin (north-east)
01:31:32limbusthen i'll rather be scared of beeing hit by it
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01:31:36DerPapstat least 60km (+/- 5) :P
01:31:50pixelmayeah I know where Buch is ;)
01:32:15DerPapstpixelma: do you live in berlin too?
01:32:25pixelmano Potsdam.. :D
01:32:32DerPapstuh oh
01:32:46DerPapstbetter run :P
01:33:13limbusAachen is safe too :)
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01:33:33DerPapsta tiny bit more.. yes :P
01:34:36RincewindKarsruhe seems to be even better to me ^^
01:34:52Rincewinddamn, can't spell my own city :(
01:34:53*DerPapst adds a "l"
01:35:04Rincewindit's too late
01:35:19*Rincewind obviously needs sleep
01:35:21pixelmayou could meet bluebrother...
01:35:38RincewindI know
01:35:53*DerPapst thinks it's kinda strage to talk to a lot of other germans in english...
01:36:03Rincewindactually, I am studying electrical engeneering, like he is
01:36:15DerPapstsame uni?
01:36:30DerPapstsame semester :P
01:36:35Rincewindbut I am second semester and he almost finished
01:36:55limbusever met him, at least ?
01:36:57DerPapstat least he knows most of your profs ;)
01:37:08Rincewindno, didn't meet him yet
01:37:30DerPapstmaybe a tutor in one exercise ^^
01:37:49DerPapst*one of your exercises
01:37:57Rincewindthat would be quite funny ^^
01:38:20limbusget both a rockbox-tshirt, you'll link up very quickly
01:39:07pixelmaI've once seen you both login from an "rz"-address and was thinking "what if they sit almost next to each other"
01:39:41Rincewindthat's because I am in a Wohnheim
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01:40:02limbuscould still be next door :)
01:40:14Rincewindnah, I know all of my neighbours
01:40:51limbusthat's what they all say :)
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01:41:48Rincewindin this case it is true, my wohnheim is selbstverwaltet, not an anonymous Studentwerks-wohnheim
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01:42:19Rincewindsorry for the denglish, can't explain it ^^
01:42:24limbusI see. the better people.
01:43:05Rincewindwell, we can pick who we want to have living with us
01:43:57limbusI'm doing some housesharing/flatsharing on my own
01:43:59limbusnot that big
01:44:10limbusnot that decent network-connection
01:44:14limbusbut comparable
01:44:21limbusand also self-managed :)
01:44:22Rincewindsadly, no rockbox conversions, yet
01:45:04Rincewindwhat are you studying?
01:45:21limbusme ? nothing, sadly
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01:52:38delorean90has anyone here had the problem of abnormally short battery life on the h10 20gb with rockbox
01:54:31Lloreandelorean90: Why don't you run the battery bench as I suggested?
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01:54:45LloreanThat would show us if it's shutting down at a strange voltage or anything. Make sure it's with an official build, etc.
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01:56:00delorean90oh yes sorry about that, right now i am letting the player fully charge, i was playing it before from a full charge and it died at 50% battery in about 45 min
01:56:46LloreanYou never even mentioned which SVN revision you're using, or any other conditions of your playback.
01:57:11delorean90i am using the current svn (i updated an hour ago i think)
01:57:16LloreanA proper battery bench needs to be with an official Rockbox build, cleared settings (no equalizer or other power hungry settings) and preferably with 128 or 192kbps mp3 playlist greater than 32mb
01:58:11delorean90ok, i can do that, i just do not have any songs below 256kbps
01:58:43pixelmadionoea: (probably for the logs) - in xobox on Archos it looks like the calculation whether the "aliens" hit the wall is still based on the size of 8x8 pixels (that's how it looks to me).
01:58:54LloreanWell then after the battery bench, you should try the same songs in the original firmware to see how long it lasts playing them
01:59:12Llorean256 is rather wasteful for MP3 though, unless you have a really bad encoder.
01:59:19delorean90i cannot get the songs to show up in the OF
01:59:34LloreanSo how do you know how long your OF lasts?
01:59:52LloreanYou said your OF still lasts 8-10 hours, but if you can't test it on the same songs, you have no basis for comparison, at all.
02:00:08LloreanOr at the very least, the same bitrate songs.
02:00:18delorean90is 192 better? i have herd mixed opinions, for future cds i will try 192.
02:00:24delorean90would the same playlist work
02:00:46delorean90i could make a playlist of ~50 songs
02:01:07delorean90i could rip a cd at 192kbps
02:01:35LloreanIt just needs to be a fairly level comparison.
02:01:43LloreanSo the same playlist would be ideal
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02:02:57delorean90ok, so ill set up the playlist and cd while the player is charging. the main thing i am hoping is that it is rockbox and not my battery, although the symtoms advise agains the battery being the issue
02:03:38LloreanConsidering most Rockbox on PortalPlayer users aren't experiencing this kinda problem, they do kinda suggest it's your hardware.
02:03:50LloreanBut a battery bench, and an equal-ground comparison against the OF will help tell more
02:04:03LloreanWe'll be able to see if Rockbox is turning off to early or something
02:04:52delorean90could i just upload the batterybench file itself onto the forums, i am not positive on how to set it up on a graph
02:05:15LloreanYeah, just attach the .txt to a post
02:06:58delorean90would 192 or 128 be optimal
02:07:12markundelorean90: do you encode with VBR?
02:07:38delorean90i use wmp11 when i rip cds
02:07:44delorean90oh, no i dont
02:08:07markunit also helps to improve quality while keeping the filesize down
02:08:42delorean90i would do that, but the converter i use only has VBR as a .wma file fromat
02:09:08Vampyr3err... everything works well and all but i do have a problem...
02:09:29markunan extreme example is a track with 10 minutes of silence before a 'hidden track' starts. Encoding the silence at 192kbit/s is a bit of a waste..
02:09:32Vampyr3how come my pc does not see my ipod when plugged in?
02:09:57RincewindLlorean: what do you think about setting up a wiki page with tips ripping, encoding, replaygain, etc?
02:10:14linuxstbVampyr3: Are you using firewire or USB?
02:10:37markunRincewind: sounds like a good idea, but maybe such a wiki exists at hydrogenaudio already?
02:10:54LloreanRincewind: I think if someone wanted to do that it'd be a good idea, so long as it could avoid becoming too much of a debate ground for what's best.
02:11:07Rincewindyes, hydrogenaudio *is* the wiki on such things
02:11:39LloreanMaybe make sure it's focused on portable players. Basically, suggest bitrates that are "unlikely to suffer enough quality loss from CD to be audible beyond the limited quality of portable DACs" and somesuch. :-P
02:11:55RincewindLlorean: exactly
02:12:35markunand maybe put some disclaimer there that people who have a strong opinion should just keep doing what they think is 'the best way'
02:12:43linuxstbVampyr3: What do you see on your ipod's screen when you attach USB?
02:12:56LloreanAlso, concentrate partially on how well Rockbox supports them
02:12:59markunlike people who prefer wav over flac because they can here a difference :)
02:13:13RincewindI wouldn't promote flac very much, just give an overview about secure ripping, encoding in vbr in various formats with the apropriate commandlines, replaygaining with foobar
02:13:13LloreanFor example, AAC, while a decent format overall, isn't well supported in Rockbox and might be best to avoid unless there's good reason for it.
02:14:48RincewindIf I am bored at the weekend, I might start it
02:15:13Rincewindand then someone has to correct my german english ^^
02:15:41delorean90how many songs should i have minimum on the playlist for battery bench
02:15:54delorean90and what is the optimal volume to leave it at
02:16:39Rincewinddelorean90: just use a volume you normally listen at
02:16:58Rincewindand don't forget to plug in the phones, they use power, too
02:18:14Lloreandelorean90: At least 32mb of songs, ideally.
02:18:24delorean90hmm, i never knew that, ok the player is still charging, but i should be able to start soon, unfortunately ill have to wait till tomorow untill i test on the OF, i have to sync all my songs through wmp when i test that
02:18:28LloreanReally the minimum is closer to 29, but 32 is a good safe number
02:18:59delorean9032 mb, ok i deffinately already have that converted
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02:20:15stationearthThe Cowon D2 firmware has a string "Ver:0071" near the beginning
02:20:29stationearthcan anybody help with what file format this could be?
02:21:48DerPapstlinuxstb: the headder you were referring to in #ipodlinux which ipod_fw creates when extracting osos: is that the apple stop sign or something else?
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02:22:41linuxstbSomething else - the header that appears before the firmware itself in the firmware partition. It contains things like loadaddr, entryoffset etc for the image.
02:23:59DerPapstit seems that loader 2 depends on this header to load the apple osos image as a file.
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02:24:27delorean90Llorean: battery bench has started 208 mb of songs, 192kbps, -30db
02:24:49DerPapstgood night at all :)
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02:25:50*limbus too is detaching for tonight.
02:26:02limbussleep well, #rockbox :)
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02:32:19stationearthAnybody with firmware reverse engineering skills around? Could you help me with understanding firmware file format?
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02:36:27markunstationearth: which firmware are you looking at?
02:36:53stationearthI am looking at the Cowon d2 firmware. I noticed a pattern and was wondering if anything was known
02:37:15stationearthmarkun: There is a string "Ver:0071" near the beginning of the firmware
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02:38:12stationearthmarkun: Do you know what format the binary file could be? I also noticed some strings appearing more than once. My guess - there are more than one files packed in the binary.
02:38:53markunstationearth: sorry, I don't have time to look at it now, it's getting quite late here
02:39:23stationearthmarkun: ok. maybe somebody else might be able to tell
02:39:32linuxstbstationearth: I can't look now either, but do you have a link to a copy of the firmware? Preferably not a Windows application...
02:41:23stationearthlinuxstb: sure.
02:42:08stationearthlinuxstb: Its a zip with 3 folders. The link contains instructions to install the firmware. I mostly looked at the file in folder "0" and '"1". The one in "2" are font and images
02:42:17linuxstbDo you know what CPU is in the D2?
02:43:04stationearthlinuxstb: It has a Telechips TCC 7801. A dual core ARM. ARM926EJ-S and ARM946E-S
02:44:00linuxstbThose instructions make Rockbox seem simple to install...
02:44:30stationearthlinuxstb: I don't understand
02:44:49stationearthlinuxstb: Oh I get it. Joke :) Sorry am a bit dazed
02:45:54stationearthlinuxstb: Seems like an internal flash program on finding the files in root, upgrades the firmware and deletes the files
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02:46:19stationearthlinuxstb: could it be that the two files 0 and 1 are for the two processors?
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02:47:31linuxstbThe file in 0 looks like an unencrypted ARM binary at first glance.
02:47:58linuxstbi.e. there are lots of text strings visible, and "arm-elf-objdump -D -marm -b binary d2N.bin" is spitting out something sensible.
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02:48:46linuxstbThe file in 1 is very similar.
02:49:31stationearthdo you know of an arm emulator/simulator I could use to understand what's happening? There is no documentation for 7801
02:50:36linuxstbNo I don't. The only thing I've ever used is arm-elf-objdump, which is probably the worse tool available...
02:50:38stationearthlinuxstb: cool. So I should probably start by setting up the arm tool chain.
02:51:28linuxstbAn easy first test would be to open up one of those files in a hex editor, look for a string that your D2 displays on the screen, and change one letter in it. Then see if you can install it on your player.
02:52:03linuxstbThat will tell you if there is a checksum or other kind of protection in place.
02:52:08stationearthlinuxstb: Now why didn't I think of it before. Will also tell if there is a checksum involved
02:52:27stationearthlinuxstb: :)
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02:53:01stationearthlinuxstb: what would be the next step if there isn't one involved?
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02:54:52linuxstbFind a way to safely run your own code.
02:55:23linuxstbi.e. if you create a 0/d2N.bin file yourself, install it, and then it crashes, do you have a way to recover your player?
02:56:03stationearthI am fishing for the recovery drivers. They are floating out there
02:56:30stationearthAm awaiting an email from somebody who has them.
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02:57:02S_Curranhey, any one there??
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02:57:59S_Curranguys ive got a 3oGB ipod video 5.5g with 1.3.2 firmware, how can i install rockbox on this??
02:58:05linuxstbstationearth: But looking at the files more closely, there does seem to be some header-like information starting at around the 16th byte in. I would guess a checksum is in there somewhere...
02:58:30saratogaS_Curran: read the manual
02:58:45linuxstbS_Curran: Just follow the install instructions in the manual, which is linked to from the left menu on every page of the website.
02:59:13S_Curranok, will it deffinately istall ok on a 5.5g 30gb ipod video?
02:59:31stationearthlinuxstb: Are you referring to the part just before the long string of zeros?
02:59:43S_Currani have got irl loader 2.5 already installed, how can i make it so i boot it from that that i start up my ipod?
03:00:15linuxstbstationearth: Yes. e.g. this is from 0/d2N.bin - "0000010: 7cbb 860d 0000 0000 0d91 2e4e fc7d 1d00 |..........N.}.."
03:00:55linuxstbThe last four bytes there are 0x001d7dfc (ARM is little-endian), which in decimal is 1932796 - the size of the file.
03:01:40linuxstb(the same applies to the same 4 bytes in 1/d2N.bin)
03:02:26stationearthlinuxstb: I was just checking out the other file. Can I give you a link to another file (from a different player) and can you see if they have the same info?
03:03:15S_Currando i just extract the FULL rockbox file to my ipod root folder?
03:03:17stationearthlinuxstb: this one is the M-bird XY-22 rom.
03:03:33linuxstbIt's not going to be the same, but the mi4 file format could give you some clues about what the other values mean -
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03:03:59stationearthlinuxstb: somebody in the forums mentioned that they share the toolchain and sdk
03:06:26S_Curranguys could somebody help please? where is the ipod root folder?
03:06:56linuxstbstationearth: That's similar, but it doesn't seem to have as many fields in the header. Starting at 0x18 is what looks like real ARM code.
03:07:21linuxstbS_Curran: It's just the top-level of your ipod - i.e. not inside any folders at all.
03:07:42S_Curranwhat is iPod_Control?
03:07:56S_CurranIPL loader 2.5?
03:08:04linuxstbThat's a folder where itunes stores all your music and its database.
03:08:08stationearthlinuxstb: what tool are you using to glean this information?
03:08:37S_Curranok, so could someone help me in the rock box installtion, because i want it to run thru my curent loader
03:08:52linuxstbstationearth: Just xxd (it displays a file in hex) and arm-elf-objdump (a simple disassembler).
03:09:00S_Currando i jsut extract the .rockbox folder to my ipod drive?
03:09:30linuxstbS_Curran: Yes. The IPL loader should (if it's a recent version) detect it automatically.
03:10:03S_Curranmeaning that the loader will boot up first? allowing me to select ipod os sleep disk mode and rockbox?
03:10:50S_Curranok thanks, now how do i go about installing it on? I cant find the correct way in the manual
03:10:53linuxstbstationearth: Do you have any other versions of the Cowon D2 firmware? That's always useful (to compare)
03:11:28stationearthlinuxstb: There are lots of them. Just a sec
03:11:31S_Curransorry for my noobishness, appologies!
03:11:43S_Curranhow do i go about installing it on? I cant find the correct way in the manual
03:12:22linuxstbJust download the for your ipod, and extract the .rockbox folder to your ipod.
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03:13:17dwarfyhello. I was hoping someone could help me.
03:13:36S_Curranok so a straight extract onto the ipod e drive yes?
03:13:59stationearthlinuxstb: 2.41a previous version. There is also a beta around.
03:14:19dwarfyi think my Q. is simple to answer
03:14:34S_Curranso a straight extract onto the ipod e drive yes?
03:14:45linuxstbS_Curran: Yes
03:15:12dwarfy :)
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03:17:28S_Curranit didnt work, still jsut iplloader 2.5 :( with apple os diskmode and sleep, wtf?
03:17:38f00flatest svn doesn't compile for me
03:18:53markundwarfy: what was the question?
03:19:00linuxstbstationearth: That's interesting. The three "0" files are identical in the three firmware versions. The "1" files are different.
03:20:00stationearthlinuxstb: :) I was just about to say that. btw if you notice the installation instructions for versions, you'll notice that there are 2 parts
03:20:14stationearthlinuxstb: for users with firmware version < 2.41
03:20:30stationearthlinuxstb: and for users with firmware versions > 2.41
03:20:32dwarfymarkun i have had a Archos Rec.v1 for a long time. upgraded to a 40gb and recently to a 100gb. I think i updated the firmware about 3 yrs ago. I just DL the newest build and unzipped it to the Root. Problem is, it isnt accessing files, like the Font, or the Language files, and it says "dir buffer full" when i access some directories.
03:20:49stationearthlinuxstb: The latter are not required to update the 0 binary
03:21:02S_Curranhow do i create a text file pointing to rockbox?
03:21:07stationearthlet me see if I can find a firmware older than 2.41
03:24:04dwarfyit shows the plugins, but it errors if i try to run one. it has directories, but they usually say "no files" when im accessing from the archos. but if i plug it in to the comptuer, there are Language, font, and other config files in the .rockbox directories
03:24:33markundwarfy: did you reboot?
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03:25:11linuxstbS_Curran: You could try moving the rockbox.ipod file from the .rockbox folder into the root of your ipod - that's where older versions of loader2 look for it
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03:25:36dwarfyyes. when i do it has opening screen ROCKBOX v.2.1
03:25:51S_Currani made a loder.cfg file, that ok?
03:26:04markundwarfy: sounds very old
03:26:05dwarfyif i open the menu (via the archos interface) and select Firmware it says No Files
03:26:19linuxstbS_Curran: Yes, that's a better option.
03:26:30dwarfyv.2.1 refers to the firmware right ?
03:26:30S_Curranand put it in notes yes?
03:27:00linuxstbS_Curran: I've no idea - loader2 is part of the ipodlinux project, we can't help you with it here (because we don't use it)
03:27:17saratogadoes one of Rockbox's many sound settings let you adjust the preamp seperately for files with no Replaygain tags?
03:27:29markundwarfy: the last release was 2.5 and that was already a long time ago
03:27:39markunbut I don't know anything about the archoses
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03:27:57S_Curranohh ok sorry man
03:28:18linuxstbmarkun: Read up on your history ;)
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03:28:52markundwarfy: if you come back when it's daytime here in europe I'm sure there will be some people who can help you with archos specific stuff
03:29:00markunah, maybe Bagder_ can help
03:29:04S_Curran what of this do i need to make into a loader.cfg file?
03:29:17markunlinuxstb: shame on me :)
03:29:24S_Curranor shud i rename loader.cfg to ipodloader.conf
03:29:31markuntime to get some sleep..
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03:29:59dwarfyok thank you
03:30:04S_Currannite nite
03:31:30linuxstbstationearth: There seem to be two random-looking numbers in the headers - at 0x10 and 0x18. I would guess one is a checksum, but I can't think what the other could be (unless it's part of the checksum as well).
03:31:38linuxstbstationearth: But I need sleep now - it's 2.30am...
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03:32:05stationearthlinuxstb: do you know of a checksum utility?
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03:32:08S_Curranlinuxstb u got msn dude?
03:32:20S_Curranjust so i can get this cleared up quickly, im UK aswell
03:32:33stationearthlinuxstb: sure. Thanks for all the help you provided.
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03:33:04stationearthlinuxstb: I will investigate the files further and see if I can parse spot any more trends
03:33:07linuxstbstationearth: No. I would just write a little C program, and start experimenting with simple checksums. You could then try crc32... But it's probably still worth trying to change one byte and see if it's accepted.
03:33:37S_Curran# iPodLoader 2.5 config file
03:33:39S_Curranbacklight = 1
03:33:40S_Currantimeout = 10
03:33:41stationearthlinuxstb: Got it. That's my first experiment. Will let you know how it goes
03:33:42S_Currandefault = 2
03:33:43S_Curran# here come the menu choices:
03:33:45S_CurranApple @ ramimg
03:33:47S_CurraniPodLinux @ (hd0,1)/linux.bin
03:33:48S_CurranRockbox @ (hd0,1)/.rockbox/rockbox.ipod
03:33:49S_CurranSleep @ standby
03:33:51S_CurranDisk Mode @ diskmode
03:33:53S_Curranwhich of that needs to b in a loader.cfg file?
03:34:26linuxstbstationearth: Good luck, and goodnight.
03:34:41linuxstbS_Curran: As I said, I don't use loader2, so can't help.
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03:34:51stationearthlinuxstb: thanks. nite.
03:34:56S_Curranwhat do you use m8?
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03:35:26linuxstbS_Curran: The rockbox bootloader
03:36:05S_Curranahh ok, can it boot normal apple os on the ipod and ipod linux etc?
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03:38:05c00ki3hey guys i got a quick question
03:38:15c00ki3what's the fuzz with the 64mb ipod current build?
03:38:44c00ki3All i found is that it utilizes all the ram available
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03:44:48saratogac00ki3: it gives you an extra 32MB of RAM for the HD buffer
03:44:59saratogait doesn't seem to make a big difference though
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04:06:57chrisjs169i'm sure this has happened to a lot of people, but the "Open with.." menu is blank on my sansa
04:07:42chrisjs169nevermind, i think i solved it - the viewers.config file is blank
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04:29:26webguest81Hey i got a quick question im trying to install rockbox i connected my ipod extracted the .rockbox into the home directory of the ipod but when i launch the bootloader it says it cant find the ipod (i have the 30gb video ipod)
04:30:40webguest81anyone has any ideas whats up with it?
04:35:39JdGordonwhat are you launching?
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04:41:25CardiniWhat does " *PANIC* Stkov sd " mean on a Sansa e270 with today build of RockBox?
04:42:07Cardini*Today's, even.
04:42:48LloreanAre you using an official build?
04:43:02LloreanI've only heard of that message showing up in builds patched with the sd card patch
04:44:14CardiniI'm using a build from, from about noon today.
04:45:00LloreanDoes anything you do specifically trigger this?
04:45:27CardiniNot that I know of. I just got the player working after the bug I mentioned yesterday.
04:45:47CardiniI looked at the screen after a minute (I had been in "fonts") and it has that message.
04:46:12LloreanIt basically means that some memory reserved for the sd stack wasn't enough.
04:47:00CardiniYou lost me there. I'm code- and computer illiterate.
04:47:15LloreanTurn off your device, turn it back on, and see if it happens to you again.
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04:47:39LloreanIt's a bug, and it doesn't mean you did anything wrong.
04:48:20webguest81srry i was trying to fix it im launching the lastest stable build for rockbox from the site (<JdGordon> what are you launching?)
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04:49:16webguest81i got it to install before but i formated my ipod after since something messed up but now i cant install it back becayse bootloader wont recognize my ipod drive
04:49:32CardiniIt seems fine now, Llorean. Thanks.
04:50:24webguest81when i go thru the cmd and type in the drive manualy it says error opening disk: the system cannot find the file specified
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05:02:06webguest81ill repeat my question maybe someone else can help me
05:02:53webguest81when i try to install the rockbox i extracted the files into ipod dir then i launched the ipodpatcher but it wont seem to find my ipod i have the 30gb video ipod
05:03:02webguest81anyone have any clues on what to do
05:03:43webguest81oh and i installed it an hour ago but i had to format my ipod maybe this messed me up? i put all the files back do you think i have to update my ipod?
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05:16:02CardiniSo I add these MP3s to my device, and they show up in "files," but not in "database." Should I update or initalize the database?
05:16:32ErifNeerganybody here like podcasts?
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05:25:05ErifNeergeveryone should check out #7111
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05:46:20voidengineernm, I had a question but figured it out
05:46:28voidengineerthanks for just being there, rofl
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05:48:40CardiniWhat is Syncback, how do I stop it, and why did my Sansa sync gigabytes of unrelated files to my player?
05:49:08ErifNeergi dunno but i know patch 7111 is pretty awesome
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05:51:48CardiniRather frustrating to have one's player fill itself up with encryption programs and personal data and...
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07:04:52webguest10how do i transfer flac aac jpg etc to ipod with rockbox
07:05:29JdGordonin whatever file manager you want? just connect it to the comp with usb
07:07:07webguest10when i try to transfer flac i get file not supported error
07:07:30webguest10i mean whenever i try to transfer anything but mp3 i get file not supported error
07:08:39JdGordonin what program?
07:08:49webguest10in konqueror
07:09:02JdGordonthe ipod is monuted?
07:09:41JdGordonare yoiu trin to use some ipod related plugin or something? just copy it across like a normal removable disk
07:10:09webguest10thats what i thought i was supposed to do, but its not working out
07:10:28webguest10when i plug iin my ipod i get a dialogue box....
07:10:34webguest10then open in new window
07:11:41webguest10then i have four folders artist ,playlist, utilities, and a drop music here folder
07:12:10webguest10when i drag and drop my flacs i get the error
07:13:04JdGordonsonuds like you are using something especialyl for ipods... in konquerer just navigate tot eh monut pint
07:13:10JdGordonto the*
07:13:21JdGordonmount point*
07:14:48webguest10then in what folder do i put the files
07:15:09webguest10when i go to the mount point i am presented with the ipods tree structure....
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07:15:52JdGordonput your music anywhere
07:16:02JdGordona folder anemd music is always a nice place for them..
07:17:50webguest10Ok i think i got it now
07:19:42webguest10so then just go to the mount point and transfer that way?
07:20:30webguest10wow wonder what i was doing
07:21:02webguest10then to play the files i play them from the "music" folder and not database
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08:31:24SlasheriJdGordon: now i am
08:31:58JdGordonhad a chance to look at the tagnavi forward referenceing patch yet?
08:32:43JdGordonI rekon if that can go in then the default tagnavi.config can be trimmed down to bare essentials and we can get a wiki page goign with al the different extra items (and fs#7111)
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08:41:30amiconnSlasheri: Speaking about tagnavi - is there a reason why the default allows to browse artists and albums by initial letter, but not tracks?
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08:42:11amiconnTracks is the longest list by far... and I tested adding this once. It worked.
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08:48:50*JdGordon 's custom tagnavi has that
08:51:15midkaywow, i never noticed it was missing.. but i agree, it should definitely be there.
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09:02:02*JdGordon thinks the defauilt tagnavi shhuold only have artist, album, genre, user rating and maybe history, the rest shhuold come in with custom config
09:03:47midkayany reason why? i don't think it needs to be full and bloated, but i don't see why it has to be 'bare essentials' either. it's not like it takes binary size. i like and find useful almost everything it currently comes with.
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09:09:52JdGordoni dunno, just seems like a waste to have the whole thing there...
09:10:10JdGordonif its much smaller and people add their configs to the wiki it would be betetr...
09:10:14midkaya waste.. of...?
09:11:08midkayo rly... and how much RAM do we save by removing a few entries?
09:11:25amiconnI would think the buffer is static
09:11:38JdGordondoesnt it grab it of the audio buffer?
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09:11:59JdGordonbut if we want everything in, is there any reason to not comimt 7111?
09:12:08JdGordonadds a stupid podcast option to the db
09:12:23peturI see no objection
09:12:24midkaya stupid one, huh?
09:12:26amiconnI don't care much whether the default comes with a bare minimum or something more complete, I just wondered why the current default allows to access 2 shorter lists by initial, but not the longest one
09:13:00midkayamiconn: nah, it's JdGordon's movement to get it to the "bare minimum", and i'm skeptical that that will save more than a few bytes, if any - i thought as you did that it might be a static buffer.
09:14:40JdGordonits also more that the standrda tagnavi.config bcomes huge and fairly unreadable, granted not many people would look at the file, but those that want to customise it will and a bi file makes it hard for them
09:15:23midkayJdGordon: but the syntax has to be learned anyways... if that's all it comes down to, i think it's quite a moot point.
09:20:53*petur thanks firefox for crashing
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09:21:47amiconnFirefox crashing?
09:21:52*JdGordon wonders how perutr got that message off if ff crashed?
09:22:05peturweird huh
09:22:09amiconnOne of the things I last observed with a 1.0.x version....
09:22:40peturone browser window gave me the crash dialog, this one stayed ok, until I hit ok in the other one
09:23:03JdGordonff is always crashing here, probaly mplayer or flash doing it though
09:23:04peturfirefox is *very* unstable since 2.x
09:23:27peturI'm considering to drop it and move back to IE
09:23:48amiconnVery odd
09:23:50nlsit haven't crashed for me since 2.00.4
09:23:51Galois2.x is perfectly stable here
09:24:14petur2.0.0.4 is a bit better than I must say
09:24:21Galois1.5 sometimes crashes using flash
09:24:23nlspetur: are java/flas/whatever plugins up to date?
09:24:27amiconn1.0.x was crashing occasionally here. 1.5.x didn't crash, but sometimes started to eat ram. 2.0.x is perfectly stable for me
09:24:35peturthis was its first since upgrade
09:25:17peturnls: how to check?
09:25:33*JdGordon got an email about talking at a LUG converence hre because I put my hand up for gsoc mentoring!
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09:26:16JdGordonexcept the meeting was yesterday??
09:26:19*JdGordon confusled
09:26:20nlspetur: about:plugins will list them but i guess checking is manual :-/
09:26:48peturnls: it's configured to check for updates for firefox+addons - not enough I guess
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09:27:24Galois*shrug* I just use yum update
09:29:55JdGordonis my net still alive?
09:30:40GaloisJdGordon I see you ...
09:30:47JdGordonthat was odd...
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09:59:47SlasheriJdGordon: i will look that soon
10:00:06Slasheriamiconn: not really. if you think that is useful, it can be added
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11:49:20S_Curranhey could some one help me with an installation of rockbox onto my 5.5g ipod vdieo 30gb?
11:54:07JdGordonjhMikeS: you round?
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11:57:35S_Curranguys can sum1 help?
11:58:50nlsS_Curran: tell us what the problem is
11:59:03S_Curranhelp me with an installation of rockbox onto my 5.5g ipod vdieo 30gb
11:59:15S_Curranive extracted the folder to the root, but it isnt booting with ipl loader 2.5
11:59:35nlsS_Curran: we don't support ipoloader
11:59:58S_Curranwell can u tell me how to get rockbox on, and also linux?
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12:02:08nlsS_Curran: find out how to uninstall ipoloader and install the rockbox bootloader as described in the rockbox manual, then you can boot linux by holding some button while starting your ipod, iirc it is the PLAY button.
12:02:38S_Curranand why can i not install rockbox along with the ipod linux using ipl loader?
12:02:45nlsprovided that you have the linux kernel as linux.bin in your fat partition
12:03:21S_Curranlinux is on my ipod now, and booted fine thru the ipl loader, why does rockbox not?
12:03:25nlsS_Curran: yuo can, I don't know how, and we don't support ipl loader, if you want to do that, ask the ipl people
12:04:19nlsI think so
12:04:34S_Curranok do u kno any one that hows to to get it on?
12:05:05S_Curranor any links to help me?
12:05:12S_Curranwhta if i use aloader.cfg?
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12:06:26pixelmathere is a ipl loader thread in the unsupported builds forum - that's all I could offer as help (know nothing about ipl, don't even have an ipod)
12:07:29S_Currancould you link me please?
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12:09:29pixelmasee 2nd hit ;)
12:10:21DerPapstmorning pixelma :)
12:10:39pixelmaS_Curran: sorry - seems it doesn't work
12:11:00S_Curran this one?
12:11:10S_Curranyea lol ill look, does the solution work?
12:11:59pixelmadon't know, maybe DerPapst yould help you... ("morning" too btw.) :)
12:12:36pixelma*could too
12:13:07S_Curranderpast do u know anoytinhg about ipl loader 2.5 with rockbox?
12:17:32JdGordonlinuxstb: hey, do you know if sansapatcher could replace the OF in the hidden partition with a different version? the OF seems to not let me downgrade
12:19:15linuxstbJdGordon: I can't remember what it can do now...
12:19:24JdGordon:) ok
12:19:53S_Currangood morning linuxstb
12:20:02linuxstbS_Curran: Good morning.
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12:28:11*GodEater resolves not to run binaries on his router he has no knowledge of from work next time
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12:30:14GodEaterdiscovering your router really runs linux is cool, but one should definitely read up on it a bit more before fiddling with it whilst sat over a mile away from it :)
12:31:38JdGordona mile isnt that far... only 15min away
12:32:07GodEaterwell it's probably closer to 2 miles really
12:32:17GodEaterwhich would take me my entire lunch hour to walk to and from
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12:33:07GodEaterThat's linksys isn't it Galois ?
12:33:10GodEatermine's netgear
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12:34:47GaloisI had no idea netgear ones ran linux
12:35:31GodEaterwell it came with a big print out of the GPL v2
12:35:35GodEaterthat was my first clue
12:35:45GodEaterand then I found you could turn on the ability to telnet into it today
12:35:56GodEaterwhen I found it was running a 2.4 kernel
12:36:31GodEaterthat doesn't sound right either
12:36:39GodEaterI'm trying to find it on the netgear home page right now
12:37:11Galoiswell google: "netgear open source" returns KWGR614
12:37:48GodEaterwell my model number starts with DG
12:38:30Galoiseven my model is on there
12:38:51JdGordonhang on.. if your at work.. shouldnt you be working? instead of fiddling on that or chatting?
12:39:38*GodEater is waiting on projects to get back to him
12:40:13JdGordonso perfect... give em your mobile number and jump o the bus and fix you router?
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12:40:35JdGordonhere's trouble :D
12:40:40GodEatercould even forward the desk phone :)
12:41:26GodEater <−− that's the one I have
12:42:28cropHello. Where are the strings for the recording frequency (44.1kHz etc) for the recording settings menu defined? I dont quite like 44.1, 22.05, 11.025 and would rather prefer 44100, 22050, and 11025 Hz −− with a space between the number and 'Hz'
12:42:49JdGordonsettings_list.c somewhere
12:43:01S_Curranguys what all can i do with rockbox on an iod video, apart from usic?
12:43:11JdGordonplay doom!
12:43:22GodEaterS_Curran: is something wrong with the rockbox website ?
12:43:47S_Currannope, but im just asking, im setting doom up now! woot :D
12:44:22The-CompilerPlay gameboy-games!
12:44:42S_Curranohh yea, how do i install iboy?
12:45:02GaloisI downloaded the source on that page and it isn't even linux
12:45:09Galoisit's ecos for ARM or something
12:45:12cropJdGordon: hm... I've only found "44,48,32,22,24,16" there, without the fractional part
12:45:20DerPapstiboy = iPL version of GNUBoy. rockbox is rockbox' version of GNUBoy.
12:45:27DerPapstdon't mix 'em up.
12:45:32Galoishey, wait, I do have an arm cc, from rockbox...
12:45:36JdGordoncrop: could be in the formatter for the setting
12:45:56The-CompilerRockboy is already installed with rockbox
12:46:02The-Compileryou need only the games
12:46:10GodEaterGalois: I promise you mine was running linux. Most definitely.
12:46:53Galoiswell then you're lucky
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12:48:40cropJdGordon: isn't it defined individually for every codec?
12:48:51S_Curranwhere do i get the games from?
12:49:13DerPapstS_Curran: google
12:49:29S_Curranwhat do i google? ipod wad games?
12:49:40DerPapstfree wads
12:49:55DerPapstwith or without the s
12:50:35S_Curranand i install them how?
12:51:02S_Curranalso aint it a gameboy emulaotr?
12:51:45DerPapstthen search for free gameboy games.
12:51:48nlsS_Curran: google for gameboy roms open them as you open a filie in the file browser
12:52:09S_Curranbut which directory wud i put the rom in?
12:52:30DerPapstnls: that's too easy :D
12:52:33nlsS_Curran: just as with music files, you can put them anywhere
12:52:41nlsDerPapst: ah sorry :-)
12:53:49S_Curranwhere wud i put the file then?
12:53:59nlsS_Curran: on your ipod
12:54:21S_Curranjust drag is directly into my e drive?
12:54:40DerPapstinto you e drive or create a subfolder first...
12:54:43DerPapstdoesn't matter
12:54:47nlsS_Curran: if that is your ipod, yes you can do that or you can put them in any directry you wish
12:55:13DerPapste.g. "gamebyromswtf"
12:55:17S_Curranok cool! are there any other alications for rockbox that aint already on my ipod?
12:56:10S_Currandead on, thnks for all ur help lads!
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13:10:18The-CompilerDerPapst: Uh? Pacman, Chip8-games and ZX-Spectrum-games aren't already there with Rockbox
13:14:40nlsThe-Compiler: well, the plugins are there yo just need to provide roms
13:20:28DerPapst^ that is waht i meant.
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13:21:56GodEaterthe question was "are there any other applications for rockbox that aren't already there?" - the answer to that question is definitely no.
13:21:58JdGordoncrop: your looking for the strings? or the actual float value?
13:22:17GodEaterit wasn't "are all gameboy roms ever made all included?"
13:23:08The-CompilerBut he has asked "_any other_". But the gameboy-roms aren't there either.
13:23:56DerPapstlinuxstb: mkdmg <volname> <vers> <srcdir>
13:23:57DerPapstWhere <volname> is the name to use for the mounted image, <vers> is the version number of the volume and <srcdir> is where the contents to put on the dmg are.
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13:27:15DerPapstlinuxstb: nvm
13:27:36DerPapstthat was not quiet correct
13:27:47DerPapstmkdmg is a script.
13:28:32linuxstbDerPapst: Thanks, that's a very useful script.
13:29:20linuxstbThose are exactly the steps I do manually in Disk Utility...
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13:30:49DerPapstlinuxstb: but read the comments before.
13:31:04cropJdGordon: yes. But I've also looked for a formatting func. But found nothing.
13:31:07DerPapstseems that the script has some issues
13:31:24JdGordoncrop: last place id suggest is menus/recording_menu.c
13:31:36linuxstbDerPapst: I am now...
13:32:00Nico_PJdGordon: how's it going with git ?
13:32:10JdGordondiven up on it
13:32:11Nico_PI've been playing around a bit
13:32:18JdGordondecided its just a waste of disk space
13:32:20Nico_Poh, pity
13:32:29JdGordonalso started worryign about exams
13:32:33JdGordonfirst is friday... :'(
13:32:44Nico_PI didn't bother pulling th whole history, just the last few revs
13:33:31cropJdGordon: or wait for amiconn or Mike. I think they made it.
13:35:06JdGordonrecfrequency_func in recording_menu.c
13:36:20DerPapsthave to go. work ;)
13:36:34DerPapstlinuxstb: good luck with the script.
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13:36:44cropJdGordon: ah, yes, now I see. I looked in other file. Do you also find display in kHz and without space less readable?
13:37:21JdGordonno idea what your talking about :)
13:37:24*JdGordon doesnt record
13:37:26cropThese (Hz vs. kHz and space) are two independent poits though
13:37:29JdGordonand expects all audio at 44,1khz
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13:38:14peturI wouldn't really care because I know what I configured it at
13:38:23cropJdGordon: no need to do actual recording. Just go to the recording menu, to the frequence setting
13:40:06peturcrop: og ahead if you want to change it, just make sure that whatever you pick fits on the screen ;)
13:41:29croppetur: I don't have a very strong opinion on that. I just think it would look (and be readable) better if it were a. aligned and b. expressed in the same units
13:41:53*JdGordon wonders if langv3 could allow for partial translatios for users...
13:42:22*nls wondes what JdGordonmeans...
13:42:37*JdGordon realises the current langs dont care if some strings are missing d they?
13:43:02*JdGordon has a scary idea for a plugin
13:43:22JdGordonthere is no way it would work tho.. so shutting up
13:43:34peturdo we support ipod serial port yet?
13:43:37nlsor rather, the genlang script uses the english string in the binary lang file if no translation was found
13:44:17linuxstbpetur: No
13:44:56JdGordoncrop: I tihnk a space between the numbers and (k)Hz would look better, but i wouldnt care if it was k or not...
13:45:14JdGordons/better/more readable
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13:48:00cropIf nobody cares I wouldn't submit a patch −− too much overhead.
13:48:22XavierGrpetur: very strange, for me firefox haven't crashed even once after I upgraded to version 2. And I can call my self a heavy user. But for god's sake, if you don't like Firefox then don't go back to IE, Opera is a very good browser too
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13:52:53tucozwhile rockbox is in a lead against ipodlinux, the current trend is downwards (for both projects)
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13:53:26tucozwould be fun to see the numbers used for the y-axis
13:54:25Nico_Ptucoz: what's a trend ? the number of searches on a term ?
13:56:01tucoza trend is what the curve is looking like (i am not a statistician). Like in 2007, we see both curves going downwards
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13:56:23JdGordonaliask: you spamming google with rockbox searches also? melb is #10 citie doing the searches... adelaide is 6 !
13:57:08JdGordonYour terms - zune-linux - do not have enough search volume to show graphs. :)
13:57:25tucozhe he
13:58:56tucozthe zune linux forums should be added in its entirety to the goldenquotes page. that forum is so filled with gems, that it's hard to belive they are for real
13:59:56tucozand as it looks like in 2007, the search volume for both rockbox and ipl is on a downward slope
14:00:26linuxstbtucoz: Very interesting - the start of 2006 was when the Rockbox ipod ports became usable, and the spike in IPL near the end of 2005 was when the ipod video and Nano were launched...
14:01:41GodEaterit's a shame they don't track the "trail" leading to those terms
14:01:52*linuxstb wonders why there is a huge interest in IPL in Guadalajara, Mexico...
14:02:04GodEaterlike someone starts by searching for "ipod games" and then gets lead to either iPL or Rockbox
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14:05:15tucozGodEater, or rather google revealing the trail to us :)
14:05:37GodEaterthat's sort of what I meant ;)
14:12:38aliaskJdGordon: Nope, it's all in my head, but #10 is impressive :)
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14:15:46pondlifeJdGordon: You definitely not going to tell about your scary plugin? ;)
14:15:58JdGordonyep, definatly
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14:26:49JdGordonpondlife: ok, ill tell
14:27:08pondlifeKnew you'd burst eventually..
14:27:11JdGordona plugin to read a plain text file into the xlation buffer
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14:27:24JdGordonit would have t do some magic with pointers which is why i said its not gonna work
14:28:34pondlifeNot related to events then.
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14:43:55peturamiconn: is that worse than putting code in a header file?
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14:56:34nlsamiconn: re building with -Os for coldfire: The main binary builds with one warning about breaking strict aliasing, but many plugins error with undefined reference to memcpy, do you know a way around that?
14:57:07amiconnIt's probably gcc trying to optimize struct copying with memcpy
14:57:50amiconn2 possible solutions: (1) check the repective plugins where they might be copying structs, and change those places to use rb->memcpy explicitly
14:58:04amiconn(2) declare a memcpy wrapper in those plugins
14:58:43nlsyeah, I tried soulution 2 but it felt kind of hackish...
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15:02:01markunI think we've done it before in some plugins
15:02:21markunnls: libfaad, mp3_encoder, doom, jpeg
15:03:10nlsmarkun: ah, I'll take a look, but with jpeg I had some problems even with the wrapper added...
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15:04:51LearAnother gcc question: -S gives assembler output, but is there an option to annotate that source with the corresponding C code? I seem to recall reading about one, but...
15:05:29markunnls: I was wrong about jpeg.c
15:06:45nlsmarkun: ok, but I got errors even with a wrapper...
15:07:12preglowLear: i think that's going to be pretty hard when optimising
15:07:22preglowLear: code correspoing to one c line might be scattered all over the place
15:08:16LearWell, ordinary debug information is pretty much that, but for an optimized build, that could be harder, yes.
15:10:45preglowi THINK i remember gcc having some such option
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15:10:55preglowbut like i said, i doubt it's of very much use for optimised builds
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15:11:22LearI'd like to give it a shot in one case anyway...
15:12:23amiconnlinuxstb: Is there a reason why the historybuffer isn't used as a real ringbuffer (in libdemac)? Would save the memmoving...
15:12:28LearBtw, -O1 only shouldn't be that bad. It's one some options that makes code "impossible" to debug.
15:12:43linuxstbamiconn: Regarding your "urgh" comment - can you think of an alternative way to do it?
15:13:10LearNot quite what I was after, but "-g -S" does give line of code information...
15:13:35linuxstbamiconn: I'm not sure if I understand you, but if it's a true ringbuffer, you would need to range-check all accesses to the buffer to take account of the wraparound.
15:13:38amiconn...and since HISTORY_SIZE is a power of 2, addressing should be simple
15:13:48amiconnJust &=
15:14:15amiconnAnd on coldfire, the emac mask can take care of that at no extra cost
15:15:28peturand another firefox crash - bbl
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15:19:58preglowamiconn: well, the buffer would need to be aligned with its size, which would mean some memory cost
15:20:05preglowbut not critical in a codec, i guess
15:20:20amiconnpetur: wow.. :/ Btw, I wonder how you can type this if firefox is already crashed...
15:21:52peturamiconn: yes, it's weird. I had two windows open, and one crashed (gives the windows app error + firefox crash report tool), but the second one (with web irc) stays responsive until I hit OK on the crash report, which closes all windows
15:22:10peturI've pinpointed it to one site now I think
15:22:24peturmust be some plugin acting up
15:22:24*amiconn never has 2 ff windows open.... just 20+ tabs in one window
15:22:38*petur has dualhead :p
15:23:00amiconnThe only odd effect I know of is that the adobe reader plugin sometimes freezes.
15:23:25amiconnBut killing acrord32.exe in this case makes it perfectly responsive again
15:23:36*petur is not Zaphod Beeblebrox, it's just my pc that is dual-head
15:24:06peturacrobat does that all the time here
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15:26:02linuxstbamiconn: What's the "emac mask" ? Is that something that would require using asm? (I know no Coldfire asm...)
15:26:47amiconnm68k-elf-gcc doesn't know about the emac
15:27:05linuxstbWell, I think the filters would benefit from being written in asm anyway. The code is relatively short...
15:27:15*amiconn was looking at the filter functions checking how they could be implemented in cf asm
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15:37:37JdGordonamiconn: whats the story with the 2 fat filename checkin patches on FS? is one going to be commited?
15:37:58JdGordon7222 and 6358
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16:01:41JdGordonanyone around? Im adding code to make the rec button useable...
16:01:58JdGordonshort press on sansa, long press on iriver to get to rec screen anywhere?
16:02:06JdGordonor short on both?
16:03:23*petur thought we would make it configurable (being any one of the main menu entries)
16:03:41JdGordoncould do that also..
16:03:47peturlong press on iriver anyway
16:04:08JdGordonI thought the plan was 1 press was going t be configurable, and one was always rec screen?
16:04:39peturimho, there's maybe not enough people who record...
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16:06:14JdGordonshort press works nicely
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16:07:34dwarfyHello I was hoping someone would help with a simple problem i have using my Archos Rec.v.1
16:08:19JdGordonpetur: not enough ppl recording is a reason to leave the key useless?
16:08:58peturno, I mean not enough people recording to make the buttion fixed recording screen
16:09:25peturand I use rec short press to flip on the backlight ;)
16:09:30JdGordonright, so short shuold be ->rec screen, long is customizable
16:09:40*JdGordon doesnt even record...
16:11:53dionoeadwarfy: best way to get help is to ask your question.
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16:12:02peturas I said, I wouldn't fix the recording screen to a button
16:12:23peturon short press that is - long press customizable is fine
16:13:16JdGordonbut the button is clearly labeled REC...
16:13:37*petur looks at the A-B button on his h300 :p
16:14:07*JdGordon looks at the other 6 buttons on the h300...
16:14:13JdGordonthey all are correct
16:14:36linuxstbpetur So you would want "short press" = "turn backlight on", "long press" - customisable?
16:14:39dwarfyI use archos recorder v.1 ... I have had it for about 4 yrs. I upgraded from 20gb to 40gb and now 100gb HD. The problem though is the rockbox installation. When i starts the archos it says ROCKBOX v2.1 and if i menu to Firmware it says "No Files"
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16:15:40Domonokydwarfy: it seems you havent upgraded correctly, is your archos flashed with rockbox ?
16:15:56*JdGordon really doesnt like the idea of a shortcut button
16:16:08dwarfyI flashed it about 3 years ago
16:16:13*petur doesn't know what he wants on rec short press, he'll get used to it ;)
16:16:19dwarfyShould I reflash it ?
16:16:32Domonokydwarfy: then you have to reflash the new version :-)
16:16:42dwarfyHow ?
16:17:03Domonokyi think you have to rolo the new version..
16:17:25Domonokyand then you can flash the new version, ( have a look in the wiki)
16:18:07Domonokyrolo the new rockbox.* via the file browser, not via the browse firmware menü..
16:18:29dwarfyi think i just fixed it
16:18:34Domonokyand the rockbox.* file is now in the .rockbox folder not in the root anymore..
16:19:04dwarfywowzas it works!
16:19:11dionoeawhat did you do ?
16:19:11Domonokydwarfy: du you have now the 2.5 release, or a current build ?
16:19:18dwarfycurrent build
16:19:26Domonokygood, 2.5 is very old..
16:20:10dwarfyi clicked on 'show all files" then i got to the root ajbrec.ajz file and it said "roloing;..."
16:20:30dwarfyafter i initialized that .ajz file in the root dir.
16:20:34amiconnDomonoky: fyi: The firmware file on archos is neither called rockbox.<target>, nor was it moved into .rockbox
16:21:09Domonokyamiconn: sorry i forgot, its not possible on the archos to move the file...
16:21:24*Domonoky havent used his archos for a loong time.. :-)
16:22:03Domonokydwarfy: i think you have to flash the new version, or else you have to rolo everytime you boot :-)
16:22:14dwarfyshame on you. archos is superior to all mp3 players!
16:22:45dwarfyyou are correct
16:25:00*Domonoky only has a archos player, so its not very superior, with a charcell display :-)
16:27:24dwarfyi have two of those.
16:28:22amiconnDomonoky: It depends on what is deemed essential for an mp3 player
16:29:02amiconnThe sound quality of the mas is very good, better than the various dacs of the newer targets
16:29:18Domonokyonly the runtime isnt very good..
16:29:31amiconnI get 15+ hours...
16:29:43Domonokyat least on my player.. i only get like 6 hours with freh batterys..
16:29:44*preglow sweats in the heat
16:29:52*petur too
16:29:59nlsDoom is of course more important than sound quality! (at least if you look in the forums...) :-)
16:30:11*nls loves the heat :-)
16:33:39preglowoh, me too
16:33:45preglowgoing out for a barbecue and some beers now
16:33:48preglowwil be quite excellent
16:33:53preglowwill, yes
16:34:17dwarfyhmm i need to download a but i cannot find it
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16:38:54Domonokydwarfy: have a look a bootbox:
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16:48:12*petur wonders why some patches are sent via the mailing list. testing the server maybe?
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16:55:01dwarfythis is so confusing
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16:57:00*mpeccorini thinks it's because some patches in flyspray take years to be commited and contributors hope the mailing list will be faster ROFL
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16:58:37preglowwell, to guarantee discussion, i guess
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16:58:53preglowlot mor probability of that happening on the ml, but the patches themselves should be posted on flyspray
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17:02:06dwarfyok im not sure if im about to flash this right. cross your fingers.
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17:03:02webguest82greetings from cz :)
17:03:36webguest82hi there, anybody uses dict plugin succesfully ?
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17:07:03webguest82hi linuxstb! plz, have you ever used dict plugin on rockbox ?
17:07:44webguest82hmmm, thx anyway :-)
17:07:55linuxstbHave you searched the forums? Maybe also the misticriver forums.
17:08:02dwarfyso do i need to flash this RomBox first?
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17:08:42webguest82linuxstb: yup, only I've found about is
17:09:04webguest82but according to this it still says, it can't find index file :(
17:09:10*nls is lost in playback.c :-/
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17:10:24amiconndwarfy: If you currently run rockbox from flash, you don't necessarily need to do a full reflash with bootbox, but it's recommended
17:11:07dwarfyi dont think i have bootbox or rombox on my archos. i flashed this thing 3.5-4 yrs ago.
17:11:12linuxstbamiconn: Do you think you may do some Coldfire optimisations for ape, or were you just looking at the potential?
17:11:23amiconnHowever, the ability to run _directly_ from rom doesn't exist anymore for current recorderv1 builds, due to increased size of rockbox
17:12:10amiconnSo you could just choose the simple way and only flash the .ucl into your old flash framework (which has archos as a fallback)
17:12:53dwarfyim so confused
17:13:13dwarfythe download i got has .bin files for flashing
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17:13:43dwarfyi downloaded it from the bootbox page
17:14:13amiconnWell, did you run your old rockbox version from flash?
17:14:29dwarfyyeah i think so. basically.
17:14:36dwarfyit loads with v.2.1 so thats really old
17:14:45dwarfyit still loads like that even now
17:14:48*amiconn isn't sure since when the ability to flash existed.
17:15:07amiconnIt's been soooo long ago, I don't remember...
17:15:20dwarfybut if i do a F1-boot and then load the new daily build on my archos... and then go to plugins>flash firmware....
17:15:33dwarfyi have these new .bin files in my root,... i can flash it then ?
17:15:55amiconnYou don't use flash_firmware to bring in a current build once you did your first-time flash
17:16:29amiconnYou just "run" rockbox.ucl, which will kick up rockbox_flash, and only flash the second (main) image
17:16:51amiconnBut you _can_ do a full flash, and in case of your old flash image, I would even recommend it
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17:18:01amiconnIf you want that, you have to fetch from
17:18:05dwarfyoh there i think i reflashed it
17:18:20amiconn...unzip that to your recorder, and then run firmware_flash and follow the instructions
17:18:24dwarfydo i need to run the .ucl file now? or is that just obsolete
17:18:35amiconnDon't reboot yet.
17:18:57amiconnSet 'show files' to 'all', go to .rockbox and run rockbox.ucl
17:19:05amiconnAgain, follow the instructions
17:19:30amiconnThis will add your current rockbox build as the main image in the flash
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17:19:48amiconnAfter that, shut down and reboot.
17:20:01amiconnIf you reboot normally, the current rockbox should start
17:20:33amiconnIf you hold F1 while booting, bootbox will kick in (recognisable by it being text mode only) and in turn load rockbox from disk
17:21:53amiconnFor further rockbox upgrades, you just run rockbox.ucl and follow the instructions. No need to do a full reflash every time
17:22:55dwarfythank you sir
17:23:10dwarfyi believe we have acheived success
17:24:14amiconnYou can also delete the .bin files from the root now
17:24:44dwarfyand i will get the fonts!
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17:30:39Bloodseeker666Any life in this chat? :D
17:30:57peturBloodseeker666: http
17:31:13Bloodseeker666lol, what u doing? :D
17:31:49peturlife in this channel ;)
17:31:57Bloodseeker666Good good :)
17:32:43dwarfythanks amiconn
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17:36:04Nico_Pnls: playback.c is a big maze
17:36:36peturNico_P: the earth is round, water is wet,.... nothing new
17:40:02nlsNico_P: it gives me a warning a bout dereferencing a type-punned pointer when compiling witj -Os but I don't understand how to fix it...
17:40:55Nico_Pnls: that's in the SVN code or in code you added ?
17:41:55nlsNico_P: in the SVN code but with the -Os switch added to gcc when building...
17:42:03Nico_POK, what line is it ?
17:43:07linuxstbnls: I tried -Os (on ARM) for my Monkey's audio decoder, and it halved the size of ape.codec, but made it slower.
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17:43:38nlslinuxstb: slower than -O ?
17:43:50amiconnI think codecs are compiled with -O2
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17:44:21nlsamiconn: yeah, most of them, iirc mad is compiled with just -O for arm
17:45:05nlstesting with coldfire I got O3 > O2 > Os > O1 speeds for vorbis
17:45:19linuxstbnls: Yes. -O, -O2 and -O3 were very similar (between about 84% and 86% realtime, -O3 being the fastest), but -Os was around 73%
17:46:05linuxstbBut I'm explicitly inlining a lot of functions.
17:47:47nlslinuxstb: well, O2 was supposedly slower than O for libmad so it's not very surprising, come to think of it maybe someone should try Os for libmad on an ipod
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17:48:20netmasta10btdoes anyone know if bookmarking is fixed since 070530
17:49:16LearSince when was it broken?
17:49:34netmasta10btits broken on my sansa on the 070530 build and the one i had on it before
17:49:52netmasta10btit was working before sound was fixed
17:50:47netmasta10btnow if you load a bookmark it opens the podcast shows the correct time into the cast and then locks up −− have to 15second poweroff
17:50:57linuxstbnetmasta10bt: Have you tried to isolate which build broke it? You can download the last month's daily builds from the website.
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17:51:33netmasta10btI have not - I figure someone else had noticed −− I will try to isolate it
17:51:40LloreanAre you trying on the same files?
17:51:43LearAh, so you get a lock when playback starts. Have you tried resuming on startup, rather than bookmarks?
17:51:44LloreanOr are you trying with newer podcasts?
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17:51:55netmasta10btI have tried with several different podcasts
17:51:57markunLlorean: do you have a remote with your Gigabeat?
17:52:10netmasta10btresuming on startup works fine
17:52:15Lloreannetmasta10bt: Yes, but are any of them specific files (not podcasts, but individual files) that worked before?
17:52:22Lloreanmarkun: Yes, I do.
17:52:35LearThat's strange. Resume and bookmark is fairly similar...
17:52:55netmasta10btLlorean: i have not tried on a file that worked before
17:52:58markunLlorean: what do you think is a nice thing to assign to the button with the little speaker with the +?
17:53:25markunI was thinking of assinging MENU to it so you can navigate almost everywhere with the remote
17:53:39markunalthough that has nothing to do with that icon
17:53:53Lloreanmarkun: What does long press play/pause do right now?
17:54:11markunnothing I guess
17:54:27GodEateron the remote or on the keypad ?
17:54:28Lloreanlong play/pause could be "Stop" (like iPods) and that button could be Menu allowing for full navigation.
17:54:32LloreanGodEater: Remote
17:54:42markunLlorean: yes, good idea
17:54:58Lloreanmarkun: Long Play/Pause could stop, and very-long could shutdown, like iPods, so you basically have full iPod style control from the remote, except no explicit select button (which isn't really necessary)
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17:55:14LloreanAnd "Speaker" serves the menu button functions
17:55:57GodEaterpet peeve of mine with the GB is when you've managed to hit one of the buttons on the main unit in your pocket, which has gone into the menu, and then the remote apparently ceases to work
17:55:59LloreanThough I guess long-speaker would have to be Context Menu, rather than Quick Menu for the remote, to fill in that one hole in the control scheme
17:56:08LloreanGodEater: Turn on hold on the main unit
17:56:13netmasta10btit does the same on a 1:47min file, the UI does not lock, I can attempt to pick other files but the song does not change, but I can issue a shutdown and restart −− it does not crash
17:56:43GodEaterLlorean: I could have sworn I tried that, and it caused the remote to cease to function too
17:56:43netmasta10btrather I dont have to HW poweroff
17:56:49GodEateralthough I've not tried it in a while
17:56:53markunGodEater: that was fixed
17:57:00GodEaterah well there you go then :)
17:57:04LloreanGodEater: It used to cause the remote to cease to function, because the LCD power off code didn't work well
17:57:18*GodEater struggles to see the connection :)
17:57:25LloreanBasically, the remote would be delayed
17:57:33LloreanWhen the LCD came back on, several buffered remote events would trigger
17:57:36*Llorean doesn't know why, though
17:57:38markunwell, it was the 'ignore first button press' code which caused the problem
17:57:41GodEaterwell if it's fixed now it doesn't matter
17:57:50Lloreanmarkun: Even when that feature was turned off?
17:57:54*GodEater hauls his GB out to make sure he's up to date
17:58:09LloreanAt least, I thought I turned that feature off... it was my first guess. =/
17:58:12markunLlorean: I think it worked with that feature off
17:58:14LloreanMaybe I didn't.
17:58:33markunbut yes, there was also some problem with the LCD off code
17:58:52LloreanEvery boot I'd have to go into the debug menu to disable it before using my remote. :)
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17:59:30Learnetmasta10bt: Finding the most recent build that works would be useful. Much easier to find the change that introduced the problem that way.
17:59:55netmasta10btLear: ok I will try to track it down
17:59:56LearDon't have a Sansa, so I can't fix it, but still...
18:00:19LearAlso, bookmarking works find on my H140, so it ought to be something target specific.
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18:00:48nlsNico_P: I managed to fix it :-) No idea what impact my changes will have tho :-)
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18:01:33Nico_Pnls: how did you fix it ? I looked at that line and saw nothing wrong with it, although it's a bit twisted
18:02:37nlsNico_P: it was the casts that were the problem
18:02:46Nico_Pso you removed them ?
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18:03:15nlsvoicebuf is of type char and was casted to unsigned char and voice remaining is size_t and was casted to int
18:03:49nlsNo, I changed voicebuf to an unsigned char and voice_remaining to unsigned int (it's a hack)
18:03:58Nico_Pyeah well that's what the function requires as args but it's roughly the same
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18:04:25nlsbut now it doesn't throw warnings at me :_)
18:04:33Nico_Pok so no need for casts anymore :)
18:05:32Nico_Pthe main problem was probably on the signed/unsigned thing, because size_t is a synonym of int IIUC
18:05:44netmasta10btLear: Do you have a recent build? I wonder if the bug was introduced with the update on May 26th to the bookmark code to show them as lists
18:06:00GodEaterhow bloody irritating
18:06:03nlsNico_P: I think size_t is unsigned and ssize_t is signed
18:06:15GodEatergentoo have finally manged to sort out hald in my most recent update
18:06:23GodEaterand it's now auto mounting things
18:06:36GodEaterbut not actually telling me it's done it
18:06:51Nico_Pnls, oh that's right
18:07:05Learnetmasta10bt: No, I've used bookmarks lists quite a bit since then. And I made that change, so I've used it more than that. :)
18:07:16Nico_Pbut size_t vs. unsigned int can cause problems on 64 bit machines
18:07:26GodEaterwoo - the button lights work too :)
18:07:34LearThe build I use may be 2-3 days old, but clearly later than that.
18:07:48nlsNico_P: yeah, I will fix it properly later :)
18:07:52GodEateronly the settings for them appear to have hung my GB :(
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18:21:43dwarfymaybe i should get a new mp3 player. any suggestions?
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18:25:09linuxstbdwarfy: Anything Rockbox supports apart from the ipods, H10 and Sansa...
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18:28:15nlsamiconn: what is a normal fps for h300 in test_fps?
18:29:03nlsah, thanks
18:32:20nlsok, no lost performance in either test_codec or test_fps with the -Os build
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18:32:46*linuxstb is trying to add an APE icon to iCatcher, but some versions are already using 52 bitmaps...
18:33:00linuxstbThe ones which don't are using 51...
18:33:09nlslinuxstb: remove something :-)
18:35:03linuxstbThat weird circular volume icon?
18:36:21XavierGrnot that, that one is nice
18:36:31XavierGrand I don't find it weird at all
18:37:34linuxstbBut looking at iCatcher on the h1x0, the codec icon is appearing over the top of the album name - so maybe it could just go...
18:37:53XavierGrthat doesn't sounds right
18:39:06XavierGrI just looked on my H100, the codec icon is definitely not over the album name
18:39:19XavierGrit is opposite from the bitrate
18:39:28linuxstbSorry, it's artist name.
18:39:31linuxstbWhat bitrate?
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18:39:53XavierGrlinuxstb: are you sure you are using the right version of iCatcher?
18:40:34linuxstbNo :)
18:40:44XavierGrfrom the bottom: Next track, then progress bar and then bitrate on the left side of the screen with Codec icon on the right side of the screen
18:40:55XavierGrmodified version for your preference?
18:41:46pixelmaXavierGr: I think it wouldn't look weird to have the codec info as text there instead of the bitmap - I mean the bitrate on the other side is text too. But I don't want to decide...
18:41:52linuxstbNo, a completely different theme ;) I'm not sure what it was...
18:42:03linuxstbiCatcher looks fine...
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18:42:24XavierGrpixelma, yeah I don't disagree to remove the codec icon, I am against removing the volume circle
18:42:48XavierGralthough if codec icon could stay there I think it would be better
18:43:07XavierGrtoo bad Genre9mp3 isn't here to decide
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18:43:35XavierGr1 more month for him and then maybe he will get office work like Slasheri did
18:43:56XavierGryeah :\
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18:44:22pixelmaiCatcher uses nedore-9 which is quite small on my M5 - the actual pixels are smaller than on the H100s display...
18:44:41XavierGrpixlema: so it looks strange on M5?
18:45:00pixelmait's not very handy
18:45:03linuxstbpixelma: I think I would agree about iCatcher on the h1x0 - text for the icon would it in much better than the icon.
18:45:11linuxstb^codec icon
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18:45:46XavierGrbtw what is the plan about the default wps on some targets?
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18:46:02linuxstbI think we're waiting for a theme to appear that no-one hates...
18:46:06XavierGrI think that Rockbox should pick one as soon as possible
18:46:08pixelmalinuxstb: maybe you could combine the "bottomline" etc. and use the backdrop tag for it, would gain 3 slots if I see correctly (H100) version
18:46:26XavierGrlinuxstb: my opinion is that we will never find on that no-one hates
18:46:30LloreanXavierGr: I don't see that it's a rush, we don't have a release version anyway.
18:46:32webguest34is someone making rockbox use the broadcam video prcessor in the ipod video
18:46:37XavierGrlinuxstb: the big heads must pick one
18:46:38webguest34just wondering
18:46:39pixelmamaking it one background picture I mean - currently it is put together
18:46:42LloreanRight now the important people are interested developers, anyway.
18:46:55XavierGrLlorean: I don't find a relation between a release and a default wps
18:47:40LloreanWhy does a better default WPS matter: To impress users. Why does a version number matter: To impress users. We can spend time focusing on bugfixing and such without a release, both are really just things that users tend to like.
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18:47:46markunwebguest34: I don't think anyone is working on it
18:47:48linuxstbMy argument is simple - iCatcher gives a much better first impression than the default, at least on colour targets.
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18:47:57pixelmalinuxstb: I mean "upbar" and "bottomline" - freeing 2
18:47:59linuxstbLlorean: But it's five minutes effort - I've already posted a patch...
18:48:06Lloreanlinuxstb: Have you looked at Denny's candidate for Default?
18:48:10XavierGrthere is no point to delay it
18:48:21XavierGrit doesn't have to be iCatcher but I think there is a need to pick one
18:48:35LloreanXavierGr: Until recently iCatcher was the only option. It did have to be it.
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18:49:00pixelmaiCatcher is the only candidate I've seen so far that looks fairly decent on all targets (with almost the same feel)
18:49:13XavierGrif you ask me I agree, but the option to change the default is always delayed
18:49:29Lloreanpixelma: Does Denny's candidate have grayscale / B&W versions yet?
18:49:30markunXavierGr: do you as a fellow colour blind person also like the "Rockboxed" theme? :)
18:49:47linuxstbLlorean: Yes, I prefer iCatcher... I don't like those colours, and find it looks busier than icatcher.
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18:49:52XavierGrmarkun: actually I hate the colour of it
18:50:00XavierGrmarkun: and it is too minimalistic for my taste
18:50:10pixelmaLlorean: there's an H1x0 version - mini and Archos is missing still - and I don't like the H1x0 version too much
18:50:26Lloreanlinuxstb: I thought it looked a lot simpler to me than iCatcher.
18:50:33XavierGrmarkun: but my main turn off is it's colour
18:51:04markunLet's just make iCatcher the default, we can always switch
18:51:12XavierGrI fully agree
18:51:38XavierGrit is just a detail that rockbox must not delay over and over again
18:51:44LloreanWhy mustn't it?
18:52:02*Llorean honestly can't stand iCatcher. At all.
18:52:06XavierGrbecause I find it important to give a good impression on the user that first-tries rockbox
18:52:10linuxstbLlorean: Then don't use it :)
18:52:12LloreanI'm probably arguing pointlessly, but I truly loathe that theme's volume display.
18:52:20LloreanXavierGr: Then fix the bugs.
18:52:28mpeccoriniimho, shouldn't it just let you choose the theme you want the first time it runs?
18:52:41LloreanThere are plenty of more significant poor first impressions right now.
18:52:43XavierGrwhy bugs have to do with the default theme?
18:53:12XavierGrmy point is that many times users join here and ask why the interface and wps is so weird and we always have to redirect them to the fonts and theme pages
18:53:36XavierGrwith a default wps we get around at least at the first bad impression that rockbox gives them
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18:53:54markunLlorean: do you think the current default is better?
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18:53:59LloreanA backdrop for the menu, and a better font choice would do it better than the WPS
18:54:23XavierGrLlorean: yes there are more significant things, but if we can solve one why don't solve it
18:54:27markunI think that almost any change is better than what we have now
18:54:42Lloreanmarkun: I agree that a default WPS should be chosen, but I don't agree it needs to be such a rush that we should choose what I consider a 'bad' one, just so we can change it again later.
18:54:51pixelmaLlorean: but it also has volume info as number, at least on anything but the Archos
18:55:09markunI think it's better to do something badly than not do it at all :)
18:55:10*Llorean shrugs
18:55:22XavierGrLlorean: again, if there is a solve for one of the problems why not fix it (even if it is temoporal)
18:55:23LloreanI prefer the default WPS without peakmeters over iCatcher, but that's me.
18:55:27markunMy first crossfeed sucked and make someone want to fix it :)
18:55:33LloreanI don't think iCatcher is a solution
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18:55:37LloreanMaybe fix the colors on Rockboxed instead
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18:56:01markunpixelma: is Rockboxed still monochrome on the grayscale targets?
18:56:05XavierGrLlorean: I am not talking only about iCatcher (which I support), I am talking about changing the default
18:56:19pixelmaRockboxed is not a good choice on greyscale and mono
18:56:25LloreanXavierGr: No, you _are_ talking about only iCatcher, because you're unwilling to wait for anyone else to submit default candidates.
18:56:37LloreanXavierGr: At the moment iCatcher is the *only* default theme that can really be considered.
18:56:46XavierGrgood lord there is no default wps candidate for over 1 year or more I think
18:56:50markunI'm unwilling to wait as well
18:56:51pixelmaand Rockboxed is also still missing remote lcd versions
18:56:58LloreanGive it until the end of Summer
18:57:13LloreanSeveral people have stated they're working on something to try to be a default, let's just see what they come up with.
18:57:18XavierGrI don't find any reason to wait more, if there is a better one we can always change it
18:57:39pixelmamarkun: yes Rockboxed is mono an greyscale
18:57:58markunLlorean: what's the problem with having iCatcher as the default until someone comes up with something better?
18:58:18XavierGrhe obvisoulsy hates the volume icon :P
18:58:24LloreanI hate the whole theme.
18:58:39markunWell, the default theme is not intended to be used by everyone I think
18:58:48LloreanI think it's a little too inspired by the iPod, and not really good for what we should present "Rockbox" as looking like.
18:58:48markunjust to give rockbox a less text-mode feel
18:58:48XavierGrwell I hate rockboxed too, but I am not against changing it to the default (though it isn't ready for it anyway)
18:58:57LloreanI'm all for giving Rockbox a less text mode feel
18:59:18pixelmaI think the "paused" animation is a bit too much but I still think it's the best option there is atm (even though I don't use it myself)
18:59:18LloreanBut I think it needs to have an idea of what "Rockbox" is supposed to look like, graphically, rather than just picking any image we have around until we can decide on a new one.
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18:59:33LloreanThe problem is, picking a default theme, is like picking the "Face" of Rockbox.
18:59:53LloreanYou don't just change to a new visual style every time one comes around, it's not a good way to go about things.
19:00:12XavierGrand sure its not good to not have a visual style at all for more than 2 years
19:00:16LloreanWhy not?
19:00:21LloreanWhat is lost?
19:00:39XavierGrand people coming here complaining
19:00:46LloreanAnd then they get pointed to themes.
19:01:03XavierGrrockbox must be ironed out at all fronts if we can iron out one then I think there is no point to delay it
19:01:09LloreanPeople are going to come here and say "I don't like the way it looks" no matter what theme you have
19:01:16LloreanBecause the ONLY people who come in are people who don't know how to change it.
19:01:27XavierGryou miss the point
19:01:32LloreanNo, I don't.
19:01:39LloreanWhat, in a practical sense, do we gain from making it look better?
19:01:57XavierGrwe end a problem that has to do with default behaviour
19:02:03LloreanWhat is the problem?
19:02:03XavierGrit is the same as the icons
19:02:22XavierGrwhy did jdgordon introduced icons? because it was better that way
19:02:34linuxstbLlorean: We change people's (mis)conceptions of what Rockbox is.
19:02:50Lloreanlinuxstb: If anything, why not pop up a themes menu on first install with multiple default choices?
19:02:54XavierGrI can't really understand why you are so negative about the change
19:03:06XavierGryeah hell that would be good too than nothing
19:03:06LloreanI'm negative because the only valid option right now is iCatcher
19:03:22linuxstbLlorean: I'm not sure why you think it's ipod-like - it's nothing like an ipod...
19:03:29XavierGrand what is wrong with it? your personal preference?
19:03:54Lloreanlinuxstb: Centered lines, progress bar at the bottom, same general layout with extra information stuffed in around the edges.
19:04:00pixelmaLlorean: and I bet Genre9mp3 would be fairly upset if you tell him it looks ipod-like
19:04:09Lloreanlinuxstb: It looks, to me at least, like an iPod screen that was built up.
19:05:02LloreanLook, you guys don't have to listen to me. Any of you can commit it, and I'm not going to do anything crazy like revert it.
19:05:02XavierGrGenre9mp3 actually tried to design something completely different than the iPod screen, but anyway this is not the point
19:05:16markunIf it's an obvious copyright violation of the ipod UI then maybe we shouldn't do it
19:05:18LloreanI'm just saying I really don't think iCatcher is what "Rockbox" should look like.
19:05:25Lloreanmarkun: It's not a copyright violation at all
19:05:34LloreanIt has an iPod "feel" to me, rather than a direct correlation
19:05:38linuxstbipod -
19:05:40linuxstbicatcher -
19:05:57XavierGrthe discussion isn't about iCatcher, I think rockbox should try to pick a defualt one
19:06:23LloreanYes, and I agree we should pick a default
19:06:29*petur thinks iCatcher has *no* ipod feel at all
19:06:38LloreanBut I think if the only option for default is iCatcher, we should at least wait until there's a second option
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19:06:41*XavierGr agrees with petur
19:06:50*linuxstb too
19:06:59peturand imo iCatcher is the neatest of all included themes atm
19:07:03XavierGrLlorean: define how much rockbox should wait for that...
19:07:04markunwe need some first time users to decide
19:07:12LloreanXavierGr: I said earlier: August
19:07:27LloreanWe've put out a request for default themes, and several people have said they're actually waiting for it.
19:07:29Lloreanerr working on it
19:07:35XavierGrI wonder what those 3 months can get you more than the already 1 year that we are waiting
19:07:42XavierGrbut anyway this is definitely not my call
19:07:45pixelmalinuxstb: seen my suggestion how you could gain a slot for another bitmap in iCatcher?
19:07:46LloreanXavierGr: A year ago, we didn't ask people for it.
19:07:57LloreanIf you don't tell anyone you want a cross-platform default theme, you can't expect people to work on it.
19:08:13XavierGrthat's why I am putting this into the table, i want to make the developers to take a decision, whatever that is
19:08:21LloreanXavierGr: A year ago, we also didn't have people tell us that they're, right now, beginning work on one
19:08:33pixelmalinuxstb: (at least in the greyscale versions I think)
19:08:33LloreanSo it's a fallacious comparison.
19:08:34peturand more IMO, the default theme should have some nice sleek graphics so we don't put off new users who judge on first looks
19:08:37linuxstbpixelma: Basically create a backdrop?
19:09:13Lloreanpetur: I think the most important thing about the default theme is that it looks like what we want people to see Rockbox as. It represents, to a more or less extent, the whole of the firmware. People think of the WPS screen when they think of it.
19:09:20pixelmalinuxstb: yes - combining the upbar/bottomline and use the backdrop tag
19:09:21LloreanSo, some sleekness, some idea of the scope of features, etc.
19:09:34XavierGrLlorean: I don't think that creating a multi-platform wps is THAT time consuming, how much long does your default wps contest exists?
19:09:34markunI like the Nudel Green theme, but now that I saw the iPod UI it looks even more like it..
19:10:09peturLlorean: are you one of those 'corporate image branding' guys? :p
19:10:10pixelmaXavierGr: tried it - it _is_ hard if you want good looking for all different displays
19:10:11LloreanXavierGr: I posted it a month ago
19:10:23LloreanXavierGr: Why don't you make a cross-platform WPS then, if you think it doesn't take long, and you want one?
19:10:36XavierGrpixelma: it is hard indeed, that's why there are not many candidates
19:10:47XavierGrbut I don't think that is has to do with time
19:10:52markunpixelma: did you ever try to design a WPS which works for multiple players?
19:10:58Lloreanpetur: I'm one of those "If we're going to change it with the primary reason being 'we need a good first impression' then we also NEED to think about what exactly that impression says" guys. :-P
19:11:01pixelmaI'm trying too, but I'm not pleased with what I got so far
19:11:30LloreaniCatcher, to me, doesn't say "Powerful, flexible audio tool"
19:11:42pixelma(especially on the bigger displays - to markun :D )
19:11:42*Llorean shrugs
19:11:56LloreanAnyway, I've said all I have to say about it, since I can see I'm not really winning over people, ;)
19:12:01linuxstbLlorean: But it doesn't say crappy UI with tiny fonts either...
19:12:15Lloreanlinuxstb: True.
19:12:17XavierGrLlorean: you are still staying into subjective issues
19:12:21LloreanI'm all for changing the default.
19:12:27LloreanXavierGr: "A good first impression" IS subjective
19:12:44LloreanXavierGr: I saw the Rockbox default WPS and responded "Nice, simple and informational, and that's it"
19:12:52XavierGragain I am not saying put iCatcher as the default I am saying let's pick one
19:13:04peturLlorean: define how rockbox looks like? Rockbox doesn't 'look' like anything because it is software. And you can make the gui part attractive or not. But I don't think rockbox (as a name) has an 'image' that must be translated into a GUI.... That's marketing and corporate branding talk I don't like
19:13:16linuxstbpixelma: Any tips for easily combining the bitmaps?
19:13:16pixelmamarkun: but I got one which I made versions for Ondio/Mini/H1x0s which I like using myself
19:13:22Lloreanpetur: But to "users", Software has a "look". And we're doing this for common users.
19:13:45pixelmalinuxstb: maybe a screendump and erasing the icons/text
19:13:52Lloreanpetur: If we're doing it just for a look change, to attract and keep users, it IS marketing.
19:15:10peturLlorean: we're themeable, we have a first look to take care of, and it must be on the same level as original firmwares of today
19:15:12LloreanI'm all for picking a default, I just don't see why it hurts so much to wait for people who've said they're working on something to show us what they've got.
19:15:13pixelmaXavierGr: on the backlight mod pic, I didn't see iCatcher ;)
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19:15:30XavierGrpixelma: yes indeed iCatcher is not a good choice for car usage
19:15:47XavierGrthis is my own text only wps with big font
19:16:04XavierGr(on all other targets I use iCatcher :P)
19:16:06*Llorean shrugs
19:16:22*Llorean would still rather a 1strun theme picking, with previews, by way of a .rock and bitmap previews of the wps, or something similar.
19:16:37LloreanThat solves two problems, rather than one
19:16:46peturI'd say iCatcher is maybe a bit dull and could use more color contrast on targets that can handle it
19:16:50LloreanYou show a better appearance, and you make it clear that Rockbox is themable to every first time installer
19:17:28LloreanOr even better, just make RBUtil prompt if you'd like to install themes, and show previews, and give it the ability to set the theme in the config.cfg for you
19:18:12XavierGrLlorean: that would be good too, but that doesn't evade the need to just have a "default" one
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19:19:19LloreanYes, it does.
19:19:42LloreanIf rbutil becomes the only official install process, it'll prompt you about themes on first install
19:19:54LloreanSo there is no default one, except when you've got a bad theme, or no themes present.
19:20:02LloreanAnd that one shouldn't have graphics, to save on binary size.
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19:21:00XavierGrwell there is always the option of manual isntallation...
19:21:27LloreanAnd manual installers can manually install themes...
19:21:47LloreanThese are people who refuse to follow the official install process, right?
19:25:55linuxstbpixelma: I've created the backdrop, and it works fine. I've noticed that the WPS backdrop isn't cleared when entering the USB screen from the WPS though...
19:29:59pixelmaoh, true. Never noticed because I've never entered the USB screen from the WPS... maybe that's something for Nico_P then
19:30:14linuxstbI've just committed a fix.
19:30:30peturweird... I remember fixing such a bug in the past
19:30:36linuxstb(just a forgetten #if change when greyscale targets got backdrops)
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19:31:16linuxstbI think it only affected WPS -> USB screen, where the WPS has a backdrop of its own.
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20:40:27peturDerPapst: me?
20:40:52peturlots of wind ;)
20:40:59peturin the bad direction
20:41:01DerPapstyou go by bike?
20:41:13DerPapstah :)
20:41:23peturgreen guy ;)
20:41:41*DerPapst goes by bike daily too :)
20:41:57peturgood... now the rest should do it too
20:42:09DerPapsthehe.. yes :D
20:42:15peturbut now first eat some food... bbl
20:43:55*pixelma went home by bike too from work today (partial) ;)
20:45:05DerPapstalso by train?
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20:59:07Nico_Pcrop: you'll even be banned for such an abuse :)
21:00:03Nico_Pjust kidding... I don't think anyone will mind right now seeing how the channel is quiet
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21:02:09cropNico_P: ok. Does anybody know a unicode aware tool for synching/merging directories? For MS Windows. WinMerge and XEmacs seem to be not unicode enabled.
21:03:16oborsync or unison?
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21:05:28oboyes, both open source
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21:06:08Nico_Pthey work on windows ?
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21:06:49obothere is a native windows build for unison, and versions of rsync built for windows (i.e. cwrsync - uses cygwin paths)
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21:08:21DerPapstcan't you just download the cygwin1.dll thingly then and place it in systems32?
21:08:37DerPapstahh.. read something wrong -.-
21:11:54cropobo: just for the case: both unicode-aware? I.e. they can handle file names with non latin chars in them?
21:13:10oboI'm fairly sure both can, yes
21:13:38cropHm... unison needs GTK+ runtime env :-/
21:14:08cropThe download page states that
21:14:23peturstrange, the winmerge homepage mentions unicode support... maybe not for filenames
21:15:40croppetur: yes, I've never had problems when merging files. But failed with dirs
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21:36:57cropobo: still here?
21:37:48cropobo: I've tried unison on a small example dir. Non latin files were ignored by the text version.
21:39:36oboI've only used the GUI before, and currently I'm not using Windows, but I have in the past and I don't remember any issues with odd characters
21:40:47cropI've just run unison with debug mode (-debug all) and see that non latin files are listed as "????" Probably non unicode version of win API is used.
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21:41:34cropMy console is in unicode mode, DIR shows all the files correctly. But I'd better stop to spoil this channel
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21:49:47DanielWi pressed wild on the buttons of my up and then i got a srv diagnose screen. what is the key compination for that?
21:50:29DerPapstwhich player?
21:51:35DanielWapple ipod g5
21:51:56DerPapstrew + center
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21:52:42DanielWok, and now i can not switch it off or reset
21:52:54DanielWselected "SDRAM Full Test"
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21:53:15DanielWok should be MENU + SELECT to reset?
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21:55:37gilsterhelp with ogg files on sansa?
21:56:18Bagderwhat about them?
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21:57:20gilsterBadger: i want to know how efficiently (power battery) they work with sansa and latetes rockbox
21:57:30gilsteri am using ccphans build
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21:57:50BagderI'm not aware of any codec speed tests on a recent sansa rockbox
21:59:02gilsteri understood from assorted comments in the forum that playing oggs is more CPU intensive, reducing battery drastically
21:59:39BagderI don't think the difference is huge
22:00:00LloreanIt's more cpu intensive, but on the arm targets (including Sansa) I'm pretty sure it's not too big a difference.
22:00:24LloreanAt least, it didn't used to be.
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22:01:25gilsterok thanks. same goes for AAC/mp4 files?
22:01:46LloreanI believe those are worse than Ogg/Vorbis, but I'm not sure.
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22:01:53stationearthlinuxstb: are you around? Do you have time?
22:03:00gilsterok thanks for letting me know
22:03:49gilsteri had a bunch of AAC files on the player from previous cd rips and i found that battery life did last quite dramatically less.
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22:15:14peturwow 14KB increase on sansa...
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22:15:28Bagderok, limbus box is now re-added to the list to see if it works
22:16:28Bagderanyone has any commit pending?
22:17:03Lloreanpetur: With what?
22:17:03*petur crawls under a rock(box)
22:17:21Bagderthe fm tuner support added that
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22:23:25pixelmaBagder: there is still the "The the" in line 12 here... ;)
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22:24:22Bagdera spell fix commit is what we need! ;-)
22:24:30Bagderwell, language fix
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22:26:19cropobo: still here? :-)
22:26:43Bagderpixelma: will you commit it?
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22:27:22cropobo: there is file sync powertoy from MS. Very nice.
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22:27:39pixelmaBagder: thought I leave it up to you
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22:28:24obonice find. Could come in handy should I have to resort to the dark side again :)
22:29:13cropobo: yes. Many say MS is evil but they do produce good software.
22:29:38*DerPapst knows some other typos too
22:30:18DerPapstin /rbutil/sansapatcher/bin2c.c
22:30:51DerPapstsome "ipod2c"'s have to be changed to "bin2c"'s
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22:32:12BagderDerPapst: I'll save them if I need some follow-up commits ;-)
22:32:29DerPapsthehe ok :)
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22:33:40delorean90if the iriver OF dosent recognize anything located on my player do i just do a database refresh?
22:34:38cropdelorean90: I'd say you first check that the HD is still ok
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22:35:45delorean90oh the hd is fine im positive of that, it works fine with rockbox, i just need to swutch to the OF to see if either my battery is shot, or that there is a problem with rockbox causing my <20min battery life
22:36:48cropdelorean90: iriver what? I.e. what model? There are no problems with h1xx and h3xx afaik
22:36:59croph10 is a different beast
22:37:07delorean90oh yes sorry, it is an iriver h10 20gb
22:37:53delorean90i understand there are stil issues wit the h10, but i have had 5-6 hours on earlier builds (before march 20th) and now i get practically none
22:38:27cropdelorean90: then yes, there can exist problems with battery (I think) Since h10 is more like iPods IIRC and there, not all problems have been ironed out
22:38:58cropdelorean90: I can't tell more since I don't own h10
22:39:06delorean90yes, from what i understand there is alot to be done with battery life on those afformentioned players
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22:43:31Bagderseems limbus nailed the problem
22:47:25Bagder17 servers ain't bad
22:48:27peturbut still 6 minutes...
22:48:47peturwhy are some builds taking so much longer
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22:48:52Bagderyes, but that's due to they builds not being parallel and some builds are so slow
22:50:01BagderI intend to work on that
22:50:10Bagderthe parallel builds I mean
22:50:32Bagderto basically keep all servers busy until all builds are done
22:50:51Bagderthen kill all remaining builds
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23:04:04PiemanCan you explain how to download a rockbox build for an iPod Video?
23:04:21BagderPieman: you tried reading the manual?
23:04:33PiemanAll it says is to download the build
23:04:38Piemandoesn't explain how
23:04:47Bagderclick on the image
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23:05:11alienbiker99build is updating
23:05:21alienbiker99nvm its done
23:05:28PiemanI'll check again
23:05:52PiemanOkay, I see the build. How do I download it?
23:06:11Bagderclick on the picture with the ipod video on it
23:06:31Bagderget the 64MB build if you have a 60 or 80GB version
23:06:31alienbiker99Pieman is it an 80gb video?
23:06:43PiemanI have a 30gb video
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23:08:26PiemanJust out of curiosity...why is it so complex trying to find the download? There's no big sign that says "DOWNLOAD HERE"; we're just left to find it out eventually.
23:08:42PiemanI clicked the link next to the build at first
23:09:05BagderPieman: the site has a menu to the left where it says "downloads"
23:09:19Bagderthere it has an entry saying "current build"
23:09:30Pieman*That's where I went
23:09:35PiemanI'm talking about on the build page itself.
23:09:49PiemanWho would think to click the iPod without knowing anything about the page?
23:09:54Bagderwell, you're not downloading a release version
23:10:04Bagderyou're downloading a snapshot of a development version
23:10:25BagderPieman: most people seem to have no trouble doing that
23:10:45PiemanOh, I'm not having trouble doing it.
23:10:51PiemanIt just seems rather inobvious.
23:11:00Bagderbut then, we have been discussing providing an "easier" page
23:11:07PiemanI guess the people that download this, for the most part, are used to poor webpage designs
23:11:24BagderPieman: everyone who ever used internet should be used to that
23:11:26Piemananyways, I'm going to read the manual on how to install this now...
23:12:47dionoeaDoes rockbox have an official coding style ?
23:12:52Piemananyways, I'm all set with this.
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23:13:16Bagderdionoea: somewhat, yes
23:13:28Bagdersee docs/CONTRIBUTING
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23:13:54dionoeaok, great. /me can't bear the xobox coding style :) ... especially the '{' on the same line as the loop or if instructions
23:14:31dionoeaah, looks like that isn't part of the rockbox coding style
23:14:36dionoeaI leave it as it is then
23:15:15pixelmadionoea: seen my report(s) about the xobox Archos version?
23:15:35dionoeaI'm not sure. But i commited a few archos related fixes a few minutes ago
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23:19:46pixelmaah, sorry - didn't see that. Yes, the first commit looks like fixing the thing I noticed. :)
23:20:46pixelmaand I just wondered why it is "inverted" to what I expected from looking at the greyscale version
23:21:08dionoeathe colors ?
23:21:48pixelmaif one can call that colours... yes ;)
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23:22:25amiconnWell, it can be called colours... at least on an unmodded recorder ;)
23:22:35amiconnGreen clearly is a colour...
23:22:53pixelmait's not important - just not what I expected
23:23:02limbusBagder, why 'M' ? Because I modified the configure script ?
23:23:08limbusI can relink sh -> bash
23:23:17dionoeawell ... it's most likely due to the fact that i never ran the greyscale version
23:23:27limbusbut I'd say that if the configure NEEDS bash, it should not request any shell
23:23:29Bagdersince the rev number is extracted with 'svnversion', it adds an M if the source is modified
23:23:33pixelmadionoea: it's also coloured on my Ondio - black on cyan :D
23:23:51Bagderlimbus: I don't think it needs bash, it mostly just don't need dash
23:24:03limbusI'll relink it
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23:27:02pixelmadionoea: I think the greyscale version is closer to the (real) colour version, i.e. the "board" is black in the beginning... Btw xobox is quite fast on the Ondio, nice work.
23:28:11DanielWwhat is xobox?
23:28:27dionoeaIf you really want to you can change the color :) I really don't have a preference :p (about the speed issue: the original code was written to take loads of time to compute ... as if it was done on purpose)
23:29:29limbusBagder, done, sh -> bash
23:29:57pixelmaDanielW: browse your plugins (assuming you use rockbox)
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23:30:26dionoeafor each block on the screen the algorithm would (in the worst case) go through all the empty blocks and check if a qix was there. Which means about (height*width/(8*2))^2 check if a qix is on this block operations.
23:30:34DanielWyeah using rockbox, but haven't tried most of the plugins yet
23:30:41dionoeaNow it's more like (height*width/(8*2))^1 checks
23:31:24dionoeaDanielW: if you ever get bored on a bus / train / plane, i recommend the xobox, solitaire, star and sokoban plugins
23:31:38dionoea(the only issue with star and sokoban is that they're no fun once you know the levels
23:31:45dionoeamazeman is also quite fun
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23:35:05DerPapstdionoea: maybe expand the levels then :P
23:35:27DanielWif often find it hart to leave the plugins
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23:35:54dionoeaDerPapst: Creating fun sokoban or stars levels requires elite skills that i don't have :)
23:36:21dionoeaDanielW: hum, almost forgot. Jewels can be fun too (except on iPod where the wheel interferes with cursor movements)
23:36:42dionoeabtw, does anyone here play minesweeper on an iPod ? I find the default keymap impossible to use
23:36:59*DerPapst agrees
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23:37:15DanielWi can not leave this worm plugin
23:37:36dionoeaeither long menu, or long select or menu+Select will leave most plugins
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23:37:57dionoea(for ipods)
23:37:57DanielWok thanks,
23:38:07DanielWyes ipod
23:38:31pixelmadionoea: eww - I almost forget. It bugged me when I tried on a Mini and I think I might still have a patch flying around here
23:38:44dionoeafor minesweeper ?
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23:39:41DerPapstdionoea: minesweeper: center to "click" on the field menu: up p/p: down flag: center+ply/pause
23:39:42pixelmahmm, yes. Let me have a look
23:39:53DerPapstand select+menu short to leave
23:40:00dionoeapixelma: that's be awesome :)
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23:40:37DerPapstthat would be mine preferred scheme ;)
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23:42:30dionoeaDerPapst: center + other key to put a flag while center unveils the block would be a bit dangerous IMO
23:42:51dionoeamaybe "scroll the wheel" could be used to flag the block
23:42:58pixelmaDerPapst: I had something like "short select" - set the flag and "long select" - reveal fild. Mostly because this is similar to what I got on my Ondio with "mode" and "long mode"
23:43:05dionoeawell, to toggle through "flaged / question mark / empty"
23:43:17dionoeaah, that would be fine too
23:43:18Tekradanyone doing at91 development?
23:43:21DerPapstpixelma: that sound pretty good :D
23:43:41BagderTekrad: that sounds really way off rockbox, but yes ;-)
23:43:48dionoeaah, /me didn't provide a question mark flag in minesweeper
23:43:52dionoeamakes it easier to handle :)
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23:44:23Tekradcan you point me to where people are doing at91 dev work?
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23:44:44BagderTekrad: the linux-arm kernel mailing list, if you mean linux on at91 I guess too
23:45:18TekradBagder: seem pretty knowledgable
23:45:25Tekradno luck on
23:45:37BagderI've worked a bit with at91s
23:45:42Tekradtrying to figure out how to secure specific pages of mem
23:45:50Tekradsame here
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23:49:42pixelmaBagder: hanging build?
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23:50:53DerPapstpixelma: how can i define short and long button presses for a certain button? Something like (BUTTON_SELECT | ???) ?
23:51:24*DerPapst can't find any example
23:52:05dionoeayou need to use the new keyboard/action API IIRC
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23:52:49pixelmaDerPapst: look for the BUTTON_REPEAT and sometimes it needs a _PRE define to tell short and long presses apart
23:52:50Dwylocdionoea: while you are working on the star plugin do you fancy fixing it so it works on the ipod nano again. It has lockedup the nano on screen transition effect since it was introduced. I believe the Gigabeet had the same problem so the effects were disabled on the gigabeet.
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23:53:16dionoeaDwyloc: My last commit fixed the lockup on iPod video too ... might have fixed it on nano
23:53:24dionoeayou should give it a try (I cant :p)
23:54:05pixelmadionoea: I found the patch in an ooold checkout - have to update first
23:54:17dionoeacool :)
23:54:27DwylocLast time I tested on the video (last night) it did not lockup it was just very slow.
23:54:53dionoeaIt locked up when i tested (once only) 2 or 3 days ago.
23:55:08DwylocBut I can test again on the nano if you like.
23:55:16dionoeathat'd be nice
23:55:21alienbiker99man setting up cygwin takes a long time
23:55:44Dwylocthe nano lockedup ever time, I filled a bug report at the time but no one fixed it.
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