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| 00:01:41 | Dwyloc | dionoea: I also love the interface of jewels on the nano and video so please don’t change it. I have spent many hours playing while listening to my music it and it feels very intuitive. |
| 00:02:53 | dionoea | Doesn't the scrollwheel bother you ? (I wasn't planing on changing it :p) |
| 00:03:08 | Llorean | The scrollwheel doesn't do anything in Jewels, I thought... |
| 00:03:18 | dionoea | It moves in one of the directions |
| 00:03:18 | * | Llorean hasn't picked up his Nano in some time, though |
| 00:03:22 | dionoea | like the cursor keys |
| 00:03:26 | Dwyloc | No i use the scrolllwheel and it works very well |
| 00:03:27 | Llorean | Hm |
| 00:03:35 | Llorean | I always used the buttons, I guess. |
| 00:05:00 | Dwyloc | I use the buttons as well as the wheel. THe wheel to go left and right and the buttons to go up and down |
| 00:07:03 | Dwyloc | dionoea: anyway I have just tested star on the nano and it still locks up strate after selecting play on the menu like before. |
| 00:07:42 | dionoea | ah ... I'll have a look tomorrow then. (Does it lockup in the sim too ?) |
| 00:08:34 | Dwyloc | but if you want to remove wheel support anyware could you remove it from brickmania as it makes it un playable on the nano ;) |
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| 00:09:17 | DerPapst | in jewels you can scrool through all jewels. |
| 00:09:29 | dionoea | Dwyloc: agreed |
| 00:09:38 | DerPapst | if you reach the end of one line it jumps in the next line. |
| 00:09:48 | dionoea | Time to get some sleep. Good night. |
| 00:09:53 | DerPapst | i like this concept too |
| 00:09:59 | DerPapst | night :) |
| 00:10:07 | Dwyloc | I don't thing star lockup on the sim but its been a long time since I tested (some time last year) so I may not be remebering right. |
| 00:10:18 | Dwyloc | good night |
| 00:10:26 | DerPapst | doesn't lock up on ipod video sim here |
| 00:10:35 | DerPapst | not tested on my ipod though |
| 00:12:08 | Dwyloc | DepPast: Yes I now about the scrolling through all jewels but I only use it on the same line. |
| 00:12:45 | Dwyloc | It did not lockup on the video for me as I have played it quite a lot. |
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| 00:15:39 | delorean90 | llorean: if the OF surpasses rockbox battery life should i still run it on the OF till the battery dies just to be sure? |
| 00:15:51 | Llorean | Yes |
| 00:16:02 | Llorean | We KNOW that Rockbox gets less battery life than the OF |
| 00:16:17 | Llorean | We're trying to determine if your battery is old enough that it's getting a decent amount less than it should, over all. |
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| 00:16:55 | delorean90 | oh ok i understad |
| 00:16:59 | delorean90 | brb |
| 00:25:46 | netmasta10bt | anyone know if the sansa fm can pick up aircraft ~131-138MHz ? |
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| 00:26:57 | Bagder | I doubt it |
| 00:27:11 | Bagder | the fm tuner chips often have a more narrow spectrum |
| 00:29:27 | netmasta10bt | would it be as easy as adding a 'aviation' region to the code and trying it let me know |
| 00:30:55 | DerPapst | good night at all |
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| 00:37:19 | jhMikeS | netmasta10bt: not a chance because it only tunes up to about 120MHz |
| 00:39:41 | mpeccorini | n1s: are you around? |
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| 00:43:07 | * | pixelma finds an interesting bug in minesweeper - the info splash shows something like "You found 222 mines out of 43" (Video sim) :D |
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| 00:44:27 | * | mpeccorini wonders if pixelma would take a look at his chessbox patch and get it commited. If she does, he might help with the bug in minesweeper :p |
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| 00:46:06 | linuxstb_ | DerPapst: (if you read the logs) http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-1.1svn.dmg |
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| 00:50:22 | Nico_P | any comments on the proposal in the WPS tokenizer forum thread about allowing semicolon followed by newline as a subline separator to make WPSs easier to read ? |
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| 00:53:22 | pixelma | mpeccorini: well, I'm a bit carefull when it comes to comitting much code... Btw what player do you have? |
| 00:53:35 | mpeccorini | an iPod nano |
| 00:53:47 | mpeccorini | but if the bug shows in the sim I can fix it anyway |
| 00:54:39 | pixelma | no, I asked because of a bugreport on chessbox which only was 100% valid as long as there was no menu... |
| 00:55:25 | mpeccorini | pixelma: I'm not sure if I understand. I added the menu to chessbox, is there a bug in that patch? |
| 00:56:04 | pixelma | you couldn't restart in on the X5 or M5 but now you can through the menu. I asked the reporter if the menu does it or if he still wants to be able to restart it with a button but got no response |
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| 00:56:22 | pixelma | just wanted to know whether I can close it |
| 00:56:48 | mpeccorini | I don't usually go through the bug reports, I was not aware |
| 00:56:54 | mpeccorini | if you want I can fix it anyway |
| 00:57:07 | pixelma | no this bug is from before the menu |
| 00:57:22 | pixelma | that would be something even I could do |
| 00:57:42 | mpeccorini | no reason for it not to work with the keymap, though. don't you think? |
| 00:57:50 | pixelma | I'm just not sure if it's necessary |
| 00:58:15 | mpeccorini | what do you mean by "even I could do"? are you not a developer? |
| 00:58:41 | pixelma | yes, there is a reason. On the X5/M5 there are only button combos with the power button possible (electrically) |
| 00:59:24 | pixelma | I am a committer but wouldn't consider myself a developer - mostly doing graphics and manual stuff |
| 00:59:43 | mpeccorini | according to the code you would have to press SELECT and PLAY simultaneously for the game to restart |
| 00:59:51 | mpeccorini | I see |
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| 01:00:09 | mpeccorini | perhaps that would help the guy who posted the bug report |
| 01:00:26 | mpeccorini | perhaps it's a manual bug, I'll check |
| 01:01:18 | mpeccorini | no, the manual is ok |
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| 01:02:19 | pixelma | no it's not - select+play is not possible on X5/M5... |
| 01:02:47 | mpeccorini | ohh, I had not understand what you meant by " there are only button combos with the power button possible (electrically) ". Do you want me to change the mapping to POWER + PLAY? |
| 01:04:02 | pixelma | no, button combos with power are dangerous IMO, I'd rather have something with long or short presses of a certain button (rec or play I think) |
| 01:04:23 | dwarfy | im watching u ! |
| 01:04:25 | pixelma | or just have it in the menu |
| 01:04:33 | mpeccorini | I agree with you about combos with POWER, but I hate long presses |
| 01:04:46 | mpeccorini | yep, probably we should just leave it in the menu |
| 01:05:04 | pixelma | but I don't want to decide that because I don't use chessbox much |
| 01:05:26 | pixelma | (without an opinion of a chessbox user) |
| 01:05:44 | mpeccorini | I do use it a lot, and to be honest, I've reseted games accidentaly more than once |
| 01:06:01 | mpeccorini | I'll probably remove the reset game keymap from my version :p |
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| 01:07:06 | pixelma | hehe... maybe I can throw that into discussion tomorrow again, since the reporter didn't answer. Now I got at least one opinion :) |
| 01:07:25 | mpeccorini | throw into discussion with who? |
| 01:07:37 | pixelma | here? |
| 01:08:03 | mpeccorini | by the way, I want the patch I talked to you about committed because I have a new patch waiting which will allow the user to configure everything from the menu and store the setup |
| 01:08:14 | mpeccorini | that would allow us to remove the "change level" keymap too :p |
| 01:09:03 | mpeccorini | would the "big guys" spend time discussing so minor changes to chessbox? |
| 01:10:08 | pixelma | you could always try - and in this case, closing of a bugreport would make them happy... |
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| 01:11:12 | mpeccorini | in that case, I'll make sure I read the logs tomorrow just in case I can be of help |
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| 01:13:20 | pixelma | What patch is it? Maybe I can point them to it |
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| 01:18:06 | Llorean | linuxstb: Wouldn't it make sense if there were a "codec" image for WPSes, where it's a single image that is X wide, and Y tall, where Y is a multiple of the number of codecs, so it could automatically show the right codec image based on the codec enum, without using up the normal WPS images (though you'd still need the requisite space for the WPS) |
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| 01:18:36 | pixelma | ah, what do you mean with "have the correct date set"? non-RTC targets coming to my mind.. |
| 01:20:57 | [1]mpeccorini | pixelma: you're right, I didn't consider non-RTC targets !, I'll fix that |
| 01:21:18 | [1]mpeccorini | pixelma: I mean, the header of the game will store the date when the match was played |
| 01:21:59 | [1]mpeccorini | I'll make it store ????.??.?? in non-RTC targets, that's what the PGN specification defines |
| 01:22:50 | pixelma | I don't know how it works but non-RTC targets often use the date info of the build for things like that |
| 01:23:25 | pixelma | Llorean: I had that thought a long time ago, something like the bitmap part system that's often used in plugins (I once counted number of bitmaps in the folder of the H300 iCatcher and it would have been 29 instead of 89 (with rwps) IIRC) |
| 01:23:54 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes, I would like to see support for partial bitmaps - not just limited to codecs though. |
| 01:24:50 | pixelma | that's what I meant too |
| 01:25:55 | Llorean | Partial bitmaps seems a bit complex without some extensive expansion of the WPS context. |
| 01:26:03 | Llorean | But automated partial bitmaps for enums, much less so. |
| 01:26:20 | Llorean | But that's just me, I don't know too much about it. |
| 01:26:31 | Llorean | I'm talking 'complex from the wps design side' btw. |
| 01:27:14 | linuxstb | Do all the enums have a fixed number of values? |
| 01:27:25 | Llorean | I believe all except for the volume enum |
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| 01:27:52 | pixelma | and battery |
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| 01:29:29 | Llorean | Those could both be handled by a WPS tag that tells how many values to expect, then. Perhaps. |
| 01:30:42 | Soap | amiconn: OT, but if adobe reader FF plugin crashes often on you, try the free (as in beer) Foxit Reader. |
| 01:30:44 | alienbiker99 | i keep getting an m68k-elf-gcc: no such file or directory error when i try to build. i have it installed, what should i do? |
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| 01:31:18 | linuxstb | alienbiker99: Add it to your PATH. |
| 01:31:24 | Soap | have you added the installed cross, NVM |
| 01:32:36 | * | amiconn proposed partial bitmap support a looong time ago... |
| 01:33:03 | linuxstb | amiconn: I know |
| 01:33:15 | linuxstb | No-one's done it though... |
| 01:33:39 | alienbiker99 | what is PATH? |
| 01:33:44 | Llorean | amiconn: I think we all like the idea of it |
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| 01:34:25 | linuxstb | alienbiker99: The variable that tells your shell where to look for programs |
| 01:34:50 | linuxstb | Are you in cygwin, vmware, ... something else? |
| 01:35:32 | alienbiker99 | cygwin |
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| 01:36:05 | jhMikeS | Llorean: Then it's also time for symbolic enums to get rid of ordering dependencies in the core namely that of the codec order. I don't wish to see that dependency entrenched even further. :\ |
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| 01:36:48 | linuxstb | alienbiker99: Then see Step 4 here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment#Step_4_Add_the_cross_compiler_di |
| 01:36:58 | alienbiker99 | ok thank you |
| 01:37:46 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Why is that an issue? It's well-documented. |
| 01:37:58 | * | amiconn wonders whether he's the only one who fails to understand jhMikeS' last commit msg |
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| 01:38:59 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: what is? the dependency? should be gone imo |
| 01:39:07 | jhMikeS | amiconn: what part? :) |
| 01:40:05 | amiconn | The message in general... |
| 01:40:06 | jhMikeS | amiconn: the code assumed that MPEG1 was available for recording on all targets because 44.1kHz would be there...on Sansa it's not the case |
| 01:41:16 | amiconn | The sansa can't record at 44.1kHz? |
| 01:41:29 | jhMikeS | I'll try pushing the AS3514 clocking and see but the ADC runs no faster than 1/2 LRCK |
| 01:41:30 | amiconn | Or even 48 or 32.. ?? |
| 01:41:54 | amiconn | Odd target, the sansa... |
| 01:42:02 | jhMikeS | The LRCK is only supposed to go to 48kHz max but the ADC will be running 24 in that case |
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| 01:42:47 | jhMikeS | The recording throws away half the samples since it receives every sample value twice because of that |
| 01:43:53 | jhMikeS | The OF records files as 24kHz (48Khz but with sample duplication) |
| 01:44:12 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: That's what I'm asking - why is the ordering dependency in the list of codecs a problem worth inventing new WPS syntax to solve? |
| 01:44:38 | amiconn | Does the sansa have line in? |
| 01:45:22 | alienbiker99 | thanks linuxstb its working now =D |
| 01:45:23 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I don't know yet |
| 01:45:23 | amiconn | Wouldn't make sense with such a severely crippled recording capability imho |
| 01:45:43 | jhMikeS | maybe in the connector but I haven't looked into it |
| 01:46:34 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: I think a minor addition would be enough to label the bitmaps...and we already did a reording to accomodate PCM in hw codec |
| 01:46:54 | jhMikeS | ...which meant I had to fix a bunch of WPSs |
| 01:48:10 | linuxstb | I didn't think hwcodec supported PCM... |
| 01:48:46 | pixelma | it does, just not in the playback engine yet (wavplay plugin) |
| 01:48:55 | jhMikeS | I'm not sure but amiconn wanted there not to be a hole in the array there so WAV and AIFF were put together |
| 01:49:33 | linuxstb | pixelma: Yes, that's what I meant. |
| 01:49:49 | linuxstb | But there wouldn't be a hole in hwcodec - the others would be #ifdef'd out. |
| 01:50:48 | pixelma | but hopefully it'll be there one day - not being able to create playlists or even have volume control isn't that nice |
| 01:51:25 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: Well, I'll have to look at the array before the BRP...but iirc there would have |
| 01:52:08 | jhMikeS | I was going to just reorder instead of fix the WPSs but amiconn protested :) |
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| 01:53:01 | amiconn | linuxstb: Sure, but that would make wps'es incompatible between hwcodec and swcodec |
| 01:53:40 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I have run the AS3514 at double or more clocking with good sound but I don't know how it will withstand that in general...perhaps it can be uncrippled :\ |
| 01:54:21 | jhMikeS | amconn: ah, yes, that's right |
| 01:54:22 | amiconn | Depends on power consumption and whether it's running stable when clock doubled |
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| 01:54:45 | amiconn | On hwcodec we overclock the MAS when pitching up - up to 200% |
| 01:55:23 | amiconn | Doesn't cause any problems, even when leaving it running at 200% for hours |
| 01:55:38 | jhMikeS | Well, I was only running the DAC not the ADC so who knows but it seems to sound stable at least |
| 01:55:49 | amiconn | (and I misused this feature to generate 96kHz s/pdif signals for testing s/pdif recording on h1x0) |
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| 01:56:15 | amiconn | Played an 48kHz mp3 pitched to 200%.... |
| 01:56:35 | IVampyr3I | any1 know how to convert video? |
| 01:56:41 | jhMikeS | If I can push to 32kHz recording that's good for FM with just the right cutoff |
| 01:56:53 | IVampyr3I | as in from av1 to mpeg and as well as to the nano's screen? |
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| 01:57:18 | amiconn | Yeah, for fm 32kHz would be okay... anything below that is only suitable for voice imo |
| 01:57:53 | IVampyr3I | can any1 help me to convert an mpeg video to fit the ipod nano? |
| 01:58:14 | Llorean | |Vampyr3|: See the PluginMpegplayer page in the wiki, and please be polite and don't repeat the same question in a short period of time |
| 01:58:36 | kkurbjun | how to you tell twiki not to put those ? marks after text |
| 01:58:40 | IVampyr3I | err thanx and sorry i thought noone was paying attention |
| 01:58:56 | kkurbjun | and is there a way to make tables with equal spacing for each column |
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| 02:02:33 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: I think you put an ! before the word to stop it being interpreted as a wikiword |
| 02:03:17 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, thanks I'll try that |
| 02:03:50 | pixelma | g'night all |
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| 02:04:20 | IVampyr3I | nop it says VLC command not found =( |
| 02:04:24 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: labeled bitmaps would make the WPS syntax even more messy IMHO |
| 02:04:44 | Nico_P | I like the idea of one big bitmap array for codecs better |
| 02:05:24 | linuxstb | Nico_P: That could be for any enum, not just codecs. |
| 02:05:32 | Soap | kkurbjun: the ? marks I assume are after WikiWords which don't have a page created to auto-link to. |
| 02:05:45 | Nico_P | linuxstb: yes, of course |
| 02:06:32 | Soap | kkurbjun: Prefix words such as "TuneCast" with an explanation point, as in "!TuneCast" the ! won't show up in normal view, and it will prevent auto-linking of what the wiki assumes is a WikiWord. |
| 02:07:01 | IVampyr3I | is any1 here using osx that can help me convert videos for my ipod nano? im having trouble witht he wiki page |
| 02:07:02 | Soap | and dang I didn't see linuxstb's answer. |
| 02:07:11 | kkurbjun | yep, the ! worked |
| 02:07:40 | kkurbjun | do you guys know if you can make tables format with equal column spaces? |
| 02:08:00 | linuxstb | IVampyr3I: You could try ffmpegx - but you would need to configure it yourself. |
| 02:08:02 | kkurbjun | equal width that is |
| 02:08:27 | IVampyr3I | dang im not good with configuring =( |
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| 02:08:49 | Soap | kkurbjun: can't you force it by making the column headings (first row) all the same size, and at maximum expected cell length? |
| 02:08:53 | IVampyr3I | but what do u mean by configuring? as in writing the file |
| 02:09:02 | IVampyr3I | or as in witing the command |
| 02:09:07 | amiconn | kkurbjun: I don't think that's possible in twiki |
| 02:09:19 | linuxstb | IVampyr3I: As in telling ffmpeg what format the video needs to be |
| 02:09:32 | amiconn | At least not without resorting to dirty tricks like using spacers or the good old 1-pixel gif |
| 02:09:44 | IVampyr3I | oh so i wont need to enter the widht? |
| 02:09:50 | IVampyr3I | *width |
| 02:10:09 | kkurbjun | amiconn, ok, I'll just deal with the way it is |
| 02:10:13 | IVampyr3I | because the wiki page is kinda confusing =( |
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| 02:11:08 | linuxstb | IVampyr3I: It's a wiki - it relies on users to edit and improve it... |
| 02:11:30 | IVampyr3I | ye true |
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| 02:11:47 | IVampyr3I | well in any case im downloading it now |
| 02:12:07 | IVampyr3I | in any case rockbox is amazing =) |
| 02:13:15 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: I thought my idea was a pretty clean extension :) basically a non-change...but I thought of something else too that could work |
| 02:13:37 | Nico_P | what is it ? |
| 02:14:20 | * | Nico_P is waiting for windows to update in the VM and it's taking forever... :( |
| 02:14:45 | jhMikeS | The WPS has it's own array that maps to the codec array...the WPS array never changes order but the codec order can change freely |
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| 02:16:32 | linuxstb | What would that gain us? |
| 02:18:06 | jhMikeS | Order independence but won't address that other problem where a codec gets added for both HW and SW and a hole in the array is not wanted but the hold will only be pointers anyway and not full data structures |
| 02:19:15 | Soap | kkurbjun: The wiki gods /have/ installed the tableplugin. |
| 02:19:18 | Soap | you can do it. |
| 02:20:07 | Soap | &TABLE{ tableborder="1" columnwidths="25%,25%,25%,25%" }% |
| 02:20:48 | Soap | before your table will make (in this example) a border of 1 pixel, and force a 4 column table to equal-width columns of 25% of screen width. |
| 02:21:01 | Soap | you can also use absolute pixel values instead of percents. |
| 02:21:17 | Soap | s/&TABLE/%TABLE/ |
| 02:21:31 | linuxstb | percentages are nicer... |
| 02:21:39 | Soap | more...polite |
| 02:21:50 | saratoga | finally found that wma decoder bug |
| 02:21:57 | saratoga | the last one in my files I hope |
| 02:22:07 | linuxstb | I thought you found it a while ago... Have you fixed it now? |
| 02:22:08 | Soap | sweet |
| 02:22:21 | saratoga | one of the butterfly ops overflows donig a regular addition |
| 02:22:32 | saratoga | not even a fixed multiply |
| 02:22:57 | linuxstb | But not in the floating point version? |
| 02:23:23 | saratoga | it barely overflows, highest I saw was 33000 or so |
| 02:23:33 | saratoga | which is fine for 32 bit float |
| 02:23:36 | Soap | kkurbjun: last thing... http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/TablePlugin |
| 02:23:52 | kkurbjun | soap, great, thanks for that, I'll try it out |
| 02:24:05 | linuxstb | saratoga: So does that mean the fixed-point code is generating correct output now? |
| 02:24:22 | saratoga | i think it will once I decide how to fix this |
| 02:24:52 | saratoga | you think its a good solution to do the fft (onyl thing that needs a butterfly) in a different fixed format then the rest of the codec? |
| 02:25:01 | saratoga | 17.15 wouldn't overflow |
| 02:25:28 | saratoga | or just change the whole codec to 17.15 |
| 02:25:39 | saratoga | and accept that we'll have 1 less bit of precision |
| 02:26:21 | linuxstb | I can't help you with that. |
| 02:26:24 | saratoga | hell, we should just require that people use replaygain with wma |
| 02:26:32 | saratoga | that would solve this overflow problem |
| 02:26:45 | saratoga | well, assuming you ran it before you encoded i guess |
| 02:26:48 | linuxstb | Slightly related though, have you see mplayer's selection of test/problem files? http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ |
| 02:26:48 | saratoga | :) |
| 02:26:58 | saratoga | no, will have a look though |
| 02:27:20 | saratoga | i suppose my 1 128k file that only exercises about 2/3 of the codec's code paths isnt' the best way to determine how well it works |
| 02:30:11 | IVampyr3I | linuxstb can u reccoment something something like ffmpegx? for some reason its not mounting |
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| 02:35:00 | saratoga | linuxstb: sorry missed that before, theres been a few bugs |
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| 02:40:31 | eloel | How do i choose between the iPod 5thg and 5thg 64 MB? |
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| 02:47:09 | IVampyr3I | linuxstb: its not working ffmpegx is not converting it at all |
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| 02:52:59 | IVampyr3I | can any1 help me with encoding a vid for my ipod from mac osx? the wiki page is a bit confusing |
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| 02:59:24 | Yannni | hi |
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| 03:00:29 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: You pinged earlier...what's up? |
| 03:00:51 | JdGordon | hey |
| 03:00:58 | JdGordon | are you watching the sd patch task? |
| 03:01:32 | jhMikeS | Technically but haven't really been reading anything |
| 03:02:10 | JdGordon | if yo get a chance, could you check the latest patch please? your recording commit broke ata-e200.c and I'm not sre if the snc I did is correct |
| 03:02:11 | * | jhMikeS doesn't have an SD card to check anything out |
| 03:02:30 | jhMikeS | how could it have broken it if I'm using my player? |
| 03:02:34 | JdGordon | fs 7134 to save you searching :) |
| 03:02:50 | jhMikeS | Is there a problem yielding in the driver? |
| 03:03:03 | JdGordon | no, i mean your commit broek the patch on that file |
| 03:03:34 | Yannni | would anyone here happen to have the build from like a year ago when they fixed the battery problem on the h300 |
| 03:04:03 | Yannni | cause i just updated a couple weeks ago from that build and now my battery life is like half as good |
| 03:04:39 | jhMikeS | only thing that changed was the use of spinlock_lock/unlock and 1 priority_yield so just keep those |
| 03:04:56 | XavierGr | Yanni: that can't be right |
| 03:05:15 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: ok, thats what I figured, so shhuold be ok |
| 03:05:18 | XavierGr | Yanni: the bettery issue fixed long ago has nothing to do with recent updates |
| 03:05:19 | jhMikeS | oh and spinklock_init instead of mutex_init |
| 03:05:34 | XavierGr | Yanni: are you sure that your battery isn't flacky after all these years? |
| 03:05:45 | Yannni | well it drains completely every day now when i used to only drain to 50% |
| 03:06:07 | XavierGr | hmm have you checked if the disk spin options is set to off? |
| 03:06:25 | Yannni | well it might be but it seem to happen after i updateed |
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| 03:06:46 | XavierGr | actually ignore me I think that option is removed |
| 03:07:00 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: perhaps the awful tick task should be removed from that and use the GPIO IRQs to detect the card insertion |
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| 03:07:49 | Yannni | well is there anyway to get that build |
| 03:08:18 | XavierGr | I am not sure there is |
| 03:08:50 | XavierGr | the build table stores some old builds but not so long before |
| 03:08:57 | webguest76 | can any1 help me convert a vid so i can play it on my ipod nano? the wiki page is a little too confusing to me |
| 03:10:01 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: yeah problably. I dont kow what else in ata-e200.c Toni fiddled with (I tihnk he redid a fair chunk of it thouogh), so best leave it to him |
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| 03:11:37 | Yannni | do alot of people here still use the h320 with no problems |
| 03:12:01 | JdGordon | mine works fine, apart from feeling much slower than my sansa.. and its battery being shot |
| 03:12:05 | Soap | aye, Yannni, no battery life issues when I'm "allowed" to play with the H3xx |
| 03:12:16 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I'm sure he's sick my colliding with his stuff by now. :P |
| 03:12:29 | JdGordon | haha I would think so |
| 03:12:53 | Yannni | just makes me sad when i see it hit like 8% then turn itself off when i get home |
| 03:13:08 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: now we really just need usb working and no mroe need for of :) |
| 03:13:08 | jhMikeS | Well, you could apply the patch to a source before the recording addition, then perhaps do an svn up on that with the patch appied |
| 03:13:18 | JdGordon | thats what I did |
| 03:13:30 | JdGordon | was much easier... but had 2 conflicts, hat I tinhk i did right |
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| 03:13:56 | jhMikeS | What's missing from USB anyway? |
| 03:13:59 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7134?getfile=14064 shows the conflcits aftr than |
| 03:14:12 | JdGordon | a softaware stack r something? |
| 03:15:39 | jhMikeS | 1) just keep the spinlock_init and currcard->initialize = true |
| 03:16:31 | jhMikeS | 2) move priority_yield() to between sd_command and sd_check_timeout .. I think that should work |
| 03:16:32 | JdGordon | sd_wait_for_state has the other one... |
| 03:16:37 | JdGordon | bah, too slow :p |
| 03:18:05 | JdGordon | ah, It looks like i did 2) wrong, thanks |
| 03:18:18 | JdGordon | that hopfully expalins the crashes i've been getting |
| 03:22:26 | Bootit | an any1 help me convert a vid so i can use it on my ipod? the wiki page is confusing =( |
| 03:25:09 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: cheers, I put the priority_yield() in he wrong after the timeout which must have caused problems, working fine now |
| 03:25:37 | JdGordon | breakfast time, then study, then figuring the IRQ stuff in my lunch break :) |
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| 03:27:57 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: just what the buttons do should work |
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| 03:57:01 | Yannni | whats a good player to get that has rockbox support |
| 03:57:22 | alienbiker99 | gigabeat f or x i think |
| 03:57:44 | alienbiker99 | man i was trying to edit this patch with my no knowledge of coding and as expected, it didnt work |
| 03:59:39 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: (GPIOA_INT_STAT & 0x80) is correct for the irq right? (that is the port and bit the sd card triggeres).. |
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| 04:03:32 | JdGordon | hmm... forgot to reset the interupt... 3rd time lucky :) |
| 04:04:37 | JdGordon | :( no worky |
| 04:04:56 | jhMikeS | if that's the line it checks then yes |
| 04:06:17 | jhMikeS | you have to set GPIOA_INT_LEVEL bit 7 level at firmware init and watch for the flip and then set the level to the opposite of the line status at each interrupt |
| 04:06:52 | jhMikeS | GPIOA_INT_EN |= 0x80 is also need to unmask the line |
| 04:07:40 | JdGordon | where? |
| 04:08:39 | jhMikeS | where it enables the GPIOA line |
| 04:11:32 | JdGordon | ah, ok, found it :) |
| 04:14:15 | JdGordon | :'( still no good |
| 04:14:56 | jhMikeS | Are you clearing the interrupt? GPIOA_INT_CLR = (1 << 7)? |
| 04:15:21 | jhMikeS | the countdown thing won't work here btw |
| 04:15:45 | JdGordon | woops, did a & instead of a | |
| 04:15:54 | JdGordon | yeah, i scra[[ed the whole countdown thing |
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| 04:16:09 | JdGordon | not sure if that will cause problems or not though |
| 04:16:52 | JdGordon | I dont need to clear the interrupt before enabli it do I? |
| 04:17:11 | jhMikeS | you should...just look at the button driver |
| 04:17:42 | jhMikeS | clear it, check the line status and set the interrupt level to the opposite at init |
| 04:18:03 | jhMikeS | or actually, clear it after setting the level...whatever works :P |
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| 04:18:32 | JdGordon | woohoo... its working :D |
| 04:19:04 | JdGordon | was working... caused some very wierd behavious though |
| 04:20:51 | jhMikeS | it'll obviously need to generate an insert notification after init to get the initial state at startup |
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| 04:21:46 | JdGordon | yeah, no thats not the problem, Im not insteerting untill rb is finished loading... |
| 04:23:30 | JdGordon | when the card is in the whole thin slows down, and eventually panics |
| 04:24:42 | jhMikeS | Ummm...probably not clearing the interrupt or setting the level correctly and it's flooding with them |
| 04:25:00 | preglow | dfs |
| 04:25:58 | preglow | guess who's drunk |
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| 04:29:56 | * | jhMikeS ? |
| 04:30:50 | preglow | hrm |
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| 04:47:19 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: what shouold the level be set to? doing a striaght copy from the buton driver bvisouly is wrong (http://pastebin.ca/546549), removign the ~ from the current_status = line causes it to do nothing :( |
| 04:48:02 | jhMikeS | to the opposite of the current line level since the interrupt occurs when the line is at the level set |
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| 04:50:09 | JdGordon | grrr.. tha comment is wrong then... bit 8 is set if there is no card insterted... |
| 04:50:14 | preglow | haha |
| 04:50:14 | jhMikeS | GPIOA_INT_LEV = (GPIOA_INT_LEV & 0x80) | (current_status ^ 0x80) |
| 04:50:15 | preglow | you' |
| 04:50:32 | jhMikeS | never mind what I just posted :P |
| 04:50:38 | preglow | you're making my typing look good :)) |
| 04:50:38 | jhMikeS | you have it right |
| 04:51:06 | jhMikeS | but do this: current_status = GPIOA_INPUT_VAL & 0x80 |
| 04:52:40 | JdGordon | woo hooo :D got it working |
| 04:53:13 | JdGordon | there is a very slight delay when inserting it and <microSD> showing up in the tree.. but good enough |
| 04:53:20 | JdGordon | cheers jhMikeS |
| 04:56:37 | jhMikeS | hey, are those SD cards pricey or pretty cheap? I can hardly fit enough music on the internal flash. |
| 04:57:00 | preglow | pretty cheap |
| 04:57:01 | JdGordon | dirt cheap here |
| 04:57:07 | JdGordon | $18 for 1gb |
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| 05:03:34 | jhMikeS | probabaly should add the CPU_INT_EN = HI_MASK and CPU_HI_INT_EN = GPIO_MASK to any init routines that enable them too just to be sure or maybe to the system init routine since they won't appear without a GPIO unmasked anyway |
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| 05:04:08 | Ihavethespeed | hello, anyone here to help |
| 05:04:11 | Ihavethespeed | ? |
| 05:06:25 | Ihavethespeed | pleeaaase |
| 05:07:43 | Soap | ask the question, Ihavethespeed, and someone will be much more likely to answer ;) |
| 05:08:20 | Ihavethespeed | *PANIC* |
| 05:08:21 | Ihavethespeed | Stkov sd |
| 05:08:33 | Ihavethespeed | what is that and why wont it go away? |
| 05:09:17 | Soap | I do not know - more info would be helpful, though. |
| 05:09:50 | jhMikeS | Ihavethespeed: I think that's being worked on right now now |
| 05:10:13 | Ihavethespeed | it just appeared after i tried to apply a theme |
| 05:10:27 | Ihavethespeed | and no buttons will work, sansa e200 |
| 05:10:47 | jhMikeS | how'd you apply a theme with no buttons working? |
| 05:11:44 | jhMikeS | if you're stuck on the panic screen, just hold power for about 10 to 15 seconds until it shuts off |
| 05:12:06 | Ihavethespeed | the buttons stopped working when the error screen popped up |
| 05:12:47 | Ihavethespeed | oh sweet, thanks, i held the button down before, i guess just not long enough |
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| 05:14:26 | Ihavethespeed | soooo, this might sound dumb, but is there a front end? |
| 05:15:04 | Ihavethespeed | i bought this sansa because i wanted to play flac files and rockbox said it could do it, but im not sure where to go from here |
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| 05:20:29 | JdGordon | Ihavethespeed: was that panic with svn code? |
| 05:20:42 | JdGordon | i mean, the official build? |
| 05:21:02 | Ihavethespeed | yea, the latest build |
| 05:21:12 | JdGordon | ok |
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| 05:21:35 | Ihavethespeed | how do i put stuff on it |
| 05:21:50 | * | JdGordon goes to bump that sd stack |
| 05:24:42 | JdGordon | Ihavethespeed: go into the OF (hld left while booting), make sure its usb mode is set to msc then connect the usb cable |
| 05:24:51 | * | jhMikeS thinks a single system thread should handle all these slow tasks like power, usb, sd card, etc. |
| 05:24:54 | JdGordon | rockbox cant cnnect to usb yet.. you have to use the OF for usb |
| 05:25:17 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: the sd thread is the ata tread renamed |
| 05:26:05 | JdGordon | I'm not sure why it cant use the regular ata thread though |
| 05:26:07 | jhMikeS | ah...yes, it is...:) |
| 05:26:55 | jhMikeS | still, more condensation and not using tick tasks where interrupts could be used would be more efficient...for any target |
| 05:27:38 | Ihavethespeed | OF? |
| 05:27:48 | Ihavethespeed | origional frontend? |
| 05:28:36 | JdGordon | firmware... |
| 05:29:34 | Ihavethespeed | soooooo, the only way i can put stuff on it is through the sd card? |
| 05:29:39 | jhMikeS | Original Flotsam |
| 05:29:53 | JdGordon | Ihavethespeed: re-read my above message... |
| 05:30:40 | * | jhMikeS wonders just how much has to be added for having USB ... an entire device stack? ... argh |
| 05:32:15 | Ihavethespeed | still have no idea |
| 05:32:23 | jhMikeS | ...and two devices have to be mountable on sansa |
| 05:32:57 | JdGordon | na, the msd card can be ignored in the first instance.... unless its no big deal to get it working |
| 05:33:52 | * | JdGordon wouldnt care if the mSD card couldnt attach to usb if it meant geting usb working faster |
| 05:38:44 | JdGordon | oh goody, build table is frozen again |
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| 05:42:10 | jhMikeS | I feel like it'll just come with it anyway...there has to be some low level handling of packets or something in hardware though...and there are more FIFOs in the PP5024 |
| 05:43:58 | jhMikeS | First, the remaining screen melt must have the cause found and fixed |
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| 05:49:31 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: did you ever think to try the 16-bit I2S on a 502x based iPod? I can't see why it shouldn't work as well for that as the e200 |
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| 06:56:23 | jurrie_ | Ihavethespeed: still need help? |
| 06:57:48 | jurrie_ | Simply use "Files" to browse your player's file system... select a supported formatted file (i.e. a jpeg) and the image viewer plugin should be started automatically |
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| 07:00:36 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: sorry? whaA? |
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| 07:58:27 | JdGordon | anyone know how many lines are on the archos screens with the default font? |
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| 08:01:05 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: huh, wha? The e200 writes 16-bit L-R pairs directly in to the FIFO but the iPods are still shifting the 16-bit data to 32-bits but since it's now known what to do, I think iPods (at least 502x based) should use that too. It's half as many FIQs afterall for the same number of samples. |
| 08:01:37 | scorche | JdGordon: 8 |
| 08:01:45 | * | JdGordon is a software person... |
| 08:01:53 | JdGordon | no idea what your talking about :) |
| 08:02:06 | JdGordon | scorche: do any apart from the player have less than that? |
| 08:02:25 | amiconn | JdGordon: 8 lines without any bars, 7 with status bar, and 6 with status bar + button bar (recorders) |
| 08:03:03 | scorche | JdGordon: that should be the min |
| 08:03:04 | jhMikeS | ok...thought it could possibly help batt life though and I'd do it if I could test it there |
| 08:03:11 | amiconn | JdGordon: No, all the bitmap archoses have the same lcd |
| 08:03:12 | scorche | although, i dont know about the remotes |
| 08:03:16 | JdGordon | ok, cool |
| 08:05:58 | amiconn | scorche: Which remotes |
| 08:06:21 | JdGordon | the iriver lcd remote has 5 I think with default font |
| 08:06:29 | scorche | amiconn: i was saying that i dont know much about the remotes, so there might be one out there with less lines |
| 08:06:58 | * | amiconn wonders why JdGordon is guessing instead of calculating |
| 08:07:07 | amiconn | All the relevant data is known |
| 08:07:18 | JdGordon | coz im lazy :D |
| 08:08:01 | amiconn | rockbox_default is 8 pixels high. The resolutions of all the lcds are in the device comparison chart, in the config-*.h files, and several other places |
| 08:08:21 | * | amiconn doesn't need to look them up at all - even for targets he doesn't have |
| 08:08:39 | amiconn | And the iriver remote also has 8 lines with the default font |
| 08:08:51 | * | JdGordon _was_ on his way to the device chart before the answers were given... |
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| 08:14:19 | amiconn | Why is it imortant how many lines there are with the default font? All core screens should be adapted to work in a useful way with any font the user selects |
| 08:14:40 | amiconn | (within reasonable bounds) |
| 08:15:13 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: speaking of screen space, the keyboard and color picker were never updated to account for icon size |
| 08:15:39 | JdGordon | amiconn: yeah you right, I thought the rockbox info screen still used the default font... og hell |
| 08:15:51 | JdGordon | and jhMikeS, yeah, need t fix that |
| 08:16:01 | amiconn | Hmm, speaking about that - I think there are more places with an info display, which could use the list widget for show the info |
| 08:16:14 | amiconn | s/show/showing/ |
| 08:16:38 | JdGordon | where else? |
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| 08:17:03 | amiconn | Imho the list widget should have a read-only mode where you can scroll like normal but the cursor (bar or pointer) should be invisible |
| 08:17:25 | amiconn | ...to make it obvious that there is nothing to select |
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| 08:18:04 | JdGordon | that could be done fairly simply... |
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| 08:18:37 | amiconn | JdGordon: Several screens in debug come to mind. Those aren't important for the end user but hopefully using the list widget there would save some space |
| 08:19:00 | JdGordon | they alrerady use the list if it was easy to convert them |
| 08:21:44 | JdGordon | amiconn: the hwinfo and database (and similar) screens? they could be converted, but its a bit of a PITA to do, and not worth the effort imo |
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| 08:21:59 | amiconn | View I/O ports, View battery (except the graph of course), View HW info, View disk info (MMC info on Ondio), View dircache info, View database info |
| 08:22:26 | amiconn | Especially disk info is annoying and ugly |
| 08:23:58 | JdGordon | yeah, but how to we efficiently put that text into a list? a switch for each selection case? |
| 08:24:11 | JdGordon | in the get_text callback I mean.... |
| 08:24:13 | JdGordon | not really nice |
| 08:24:59 | amiconn | There is a switch for each case atm |
| 08:26:21 | amiconn | Okay, this might not save much space then, but it should still be better readable than the current mess |
| 08:26:49 | JdGordon | oh, wow, that code sucks :D |
| 08:26:54 | amiconn | On a related note, the cluster size should be removed from disk info since it doesn't belong there |
| 08:26:59 | LinusN | is it important that the debug code is readable? |
| 08:27:12 | JdGordon | mornig LinusN, care t kick the build server? |
| 08:28:27 | amiconn | Using the list would also help to remove a couple if ifdefs and duplicated code in there (charcell / bitmap) |
| 08:28:53 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: just got a screen melt :( |
| 08:29:18 | jhMikeS | with what? what I just did? |
| 08:29:33 | JdGordon | no, just regular scrolling did it |
| 08:29:42 | JdGordon | with svn from a few hours ago |
| 08:30:16 | jhMikeS | oh, I just did something to stop it messing with the DMA transfer which really doesn't help appearance anyway |
| 08:30:28 | JdGordon | k |
| 08:30:37 | JdGordon | first one in a while also... |
| 08:30:56 | jhMikeS | yeah, the timing change alone didn't quite do it |
| 08:33:03 | * | jhMikeS can't see if the commit will be all green :( |
| 08:33:35 | jhMikeS | oh, guess it's running again :) |
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| 08:41:51 | JdGordon | builds died again? |
| 08:41:58 | JdGordon | no source zip... |
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| 08:53:50 | JdGordon | yep definatly fubar |
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| 08:55:46 | GodEater | JdGordon: unless someone's recent commit has moved rockbox into the same level of complexity as say windows vista ? :) |
| 08:56:15 | JdGordon | it was jhMikeS.... |
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| 08:58:13 | amiconn | linuxstb: there? |
| 08:58:35 | scorche | JdGordon: so quick to point the finger, eh? =P |
| 08:58:55 | JdGordon | deflecting the blame is what i do best :) |
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| 09:00:32 | * | jhMikeS is a mirror for blame :) |
| 09:01:27 | * | B4gder volounters as skapegoat |
| 09:02:21 | GodEater | you can blame me too if you like |
| 09:02:46 | * | scorche volunteers to do all the blaming |
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| 09:08:07 | * | B4gder tries to improve things by adding ServerAliveInterval=30 to the ssh client config for the build master |
| 09:08:50 | B4gder | those ssh connections can somehow fail mysteriously without the master finding out |
| 09:09:09 | B4gder | so it sits there waiting forever on a connection that's gone |
| 09:10:52 | * | GodEater wonders if that might be his build server, since he can't seem to ssh into it this morning |
| 09:10:59 | GodEater | in which case it really would be my fault :) |
| 09:11:15 | B4gder | well, we had problems with that yday and I commented it out |
| 09:11:26 | B4gder | but since we've had problems on several other hosts too |
| 09:11:32 | GodEater | ah |
| 09:11:39 | B4gder | it seems to be a bad build server period |
| 09:11:59 | GodEater | I don't think it's my server per se, I think it's more my flakey ass connection |
| 09:12:18 | B4gder | yeah, and I would even go as far as saying that the ssh client is flawed |
| 09:12:31 | GodEater | blasphemy! |
| 09:12:43 | B4gder | sometimes when it hangs I do "netstat -tn" and check for the IP adress... |
| 09:12:50 | B4gder | and it isn't present... |
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| 09:13:06 | B4gder | yes, like that! ;-P |
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| 09:13:13 | petur | rofl |
| 09:13:30 | GodEater | damn web irc client going silly on me again |
| 09:13:54 | petur | GodEater: watch the log, you missed some important talk ;) |
| 09:13:55 | B4gder | hehe, it came just so well timed |
| 09:14:06 | GodEater | I was watching the log |
| 09:14:21 | GodEater | my "blasphemy" appeared in it, but not in the client =/ |
| 09:14:24 | GodEater | that keeps happening |
| 09:14:56 | GodEater | B4gder: you get 30 seconds or so to try something for me ? |
| 09:15:02 | B4gder | sure |
| 09:17:07 | GodEater | mental note to self, "reboot router before leaving for work - every morning" |
| 09:17:27 | B4gder | it seems our work with limbus' machine was worth the time, as it seems to stick on the top half of the servers build/speed wise |
| 09:17:45 | GodEater | yeah I noticed that |
| 09:18:58 | * | GodEater wonders if it's time to invest in a new box for home |
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| 09:20:20 | B4gder | new boxes are fun! |
| 09:20:33 | B4gder | well, apart from all the install work |
| 09:21:34 | GodEater | I'm so out of touch with PC hardware - I've no idea what to buy |
| 09:21:40 | GodEater | research time! |
| 09:22:17 | B4gder | yeah, I find it better to check that when its time to buy rather than try to keep up all the time |
| 09:22:48 | B4gder | storebror.haxx.se is an athlon 64 X2 5800, and I'm quite happy with it |
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| 09:23:21 | scorche | my processor has come down about 75% since i got it =( |
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| 09:24:34 | * | GodEater wonders about going core 2 duo |
| 09:24:55 | B4gder | they're the best bang per mhz, possibly per buck too now |
| 09:25:30 | scorche | aye..they outperform the amd equivs |
| 09:25:39 | B4gder | yes, per mhz |
| 09:25:57 | B4gder | when I bought my box, amd still outperformed intel for the same money |
| 09:26:15 | scorche | yeah...after the recent amd price cuts |
| 09:26:26 | scorche | well, not so recent anymore |
| 09:26:33 | B4gder | hehe |
| 09:27:25 | GodEater | any comments about "conroe" versus "allendale" ? |
| 09:27:41 | * | B4gder has no clue |
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| 09:40:56 | scorche | GodEater: last mail was nice |
| 09:41:49 | GodEater | on the git list ? |
| 09:41:54 | scorche | aye |
| 09:42:22 | GodEater | I've not read it all the way through yet - it was a bit of an essay :) |
| 09:43:26 | * | GodEater goes off to do that now |
| 09:47:45 | GodEater | having read it: basically we can use git to match our current model, but it'll take some work up front to set up the access control the way we want it |
| 09:48:05 | scorche | yeah, but i cant imagine much |
| 09:48:19 | B4gder | we don't have any fine-grained access control today anyway |
| 09:48:33 | GodEater | you either have it or you don't ;) |
| 09:48:34 | scorche | indeed...would be quite easy |
| 09:49:14 | scorche | if we do it that way, i cant see much disadvantages with switching over to git |
| 09:49:36 | scorche | s/much/many |
| 09:50:02 | GodEater | and we get a lot of advantages to go with it |
| 09:50:10 | GodEater | I particularly like git-bisect |
| 09:50:19 | scorche | i havent gone into that yet |
| 09:50:34 | scorche | what advantages does that have over vanilla git? |
| 09:50:47 | GodEater | it's part of vanilla git |
| 09:51:06 | GodEater | it's a tool to let you track down obscure bugs |
| 09:51:27 | GodEater | scenario : user reports a bug with symptoms "a" |
| 09:52:02 | GodEater | on checking back through your revisions, you find that it was present in a build from several hundred revisions ago |
| 09:52:11 | GodEater | but you're not sure which commit caused it |
| 09:52:32 | * | scorche hands GodEater a book on paragraphs =) |
| 09:52:37 | GodEater | git-bisect basically allows you to track down the offending commit without having to look at each one of those hundreds of revisions |
| 09:52:55 | GodEater | hehe - sorry - I tend to write a line at a time so you don't think I've fallen asleep :) |
| 09:53:26 | scorche | well, you typically never have to do each revision...8 hops is typically enough |
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| 09:54:29 | GodEater | indeed, git-bisect just makes it an easy process - you just identify a build which definitely didn't have the bug, and the most recent one which definitely did |
| 09:54:54 | GodEater | and it checks out a revision somewhere in the middle, and asks you, (after you've built it) - did this contain the bug? |
| 09:55:02 | scorche | ah...so it keeps tracks of your hops pretty much? |
| 09:55:18 | GodEater | and depending on your answer, it works out which direction it needs to move through the revisions to narrow it down further |
| 09:55:42 | GodEater | repeat until bug is located |
| 09:55:54 | * | scorche just usually does it in his head, but that can be useful =P |
| 09:56:05 | GodEater | yeah, especially if you get interuppted |
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| 10:12:09 | B4gder | for all swedish friends => check slackathon.se and a chance to endure a talk by me |
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| 10:12:59 | JdGordon | amiconn: you dont think having a list without the selection mark will make it wierd to view? |
| 10:13:23 | JdGordon | ... especially if the list is longer than the screen, even though the scroll bar will be there |
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| 10:23:25 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: I'm here now. |
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| 10:52:10 | JdGordon | hey Zagor |
| 10:52:17 | Zagor | hi |
| 10:52:28 | JdGordon | still getting mime_magic errors when uploading files, so yeah, its ont fixed |
| 10:52:34 | JdGordon | s/ont/not |
| 10:52:37 | Zagor | ok, thanks |
| 10:53:17 | JdGordon | also, can you make it so only devs can vote on tasks? could make that feature more usefull |
| 10:56:15 | petur | frrr... any way to remove your vote again? |
| 10:58:21 | petur | Zagor ^ ? |
| 10:58:34 | Zagor | petur: no. I asked the devs, and they said "why would you want to do that?" :-) |
| 10:58:41 | B4gder | hahaha |
| 10:59:01 | * | petur learned not to click on links just like that |
| 10:59:10 | B4gder | I had petur's reaction too when I clicked on the vote once |
| 10:59:17 | B4gder | I thought I was gonna get some alternatives or something |
| 10:59:28 | Zagor | I tried to explain that people will test-vote on anything, but I'm not sure I convinced them. We'll see. |
| 10:59:43 | Zagor | yeah, I did that too |
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| 11:00:01 | * | petur adds comment to task to explain he wanted to add a negative vote.... |
| 11:00:11 | Zagor | haha |
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| 11:00:56 | pondlife | Is there a vote regarding the REC button going down? |
| 11:01:15 | B4gder | the votes aren't really useful at this point imo |
| 11:02:08 | Zagor | I think I can pretty easily restrict voting to devs, and with a better text on the vote link they might become useful. |
| 11:02:38 | B4gder | yes, and then we'd like to be able to sort based on votes too |
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| 11:02:52 | Zagor | on the other hand I don't really feel we've been missing a voting feature |
| 11:02:59 | B4gder | me neither |
| 11:03:04 | pondlife | Rockbox is not a democracy! |
| 11:03:13 | pondlife | From the name down.... ;) |
| 11:03:22 | XavierGr | what the hell! Firefox is consuming 332 MB of memory and keep increasing!! :O |
| 11:03:53 | scorche | i have seen it get up to over 600, but it has gotten better lately |
| 11:04:35 | XavierGr | well I have only 3 tabs open at the moment, and it isn't running for more than 1 hour |
| 11:04:45 | XavierGr | I just happen to browse a site with tons of images |
| 11:04:47 | B4gder | any devs use the svn-built source tarball? |
| 11:05:08 | petur | here it is only a mere 45MB.... bloatware it has become.... |
| 11:06:08 | XavierGr | well I don't consider 45 MB bloatware, but seeing 330 MB taken (now 370 MB BTW) just in an hour is crazy. |
| 11:06:12 | XavierGr | serious memory leak |
| 11:06:45 | pondlife | They should avoid using malloc :) |
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| 11:07:13 | B4gder | yeps, just use a fixed-size 300MB array ;-) |
| 11:07:16 | scorche | XavierGr: some extentions can cause a leak as well...they have gotten rid of most of the leaks in firefox itself by now |
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| 11:10:11 | XavierGr | scorche: that may be true but I don't feel confident enough (or willing to bother) to benchmark firefox memory usage with different extension patters... louzy programmers I guess (on firefox or the extensions) |
| 11:10:17 | petur | ha... new strategy: make your app extremely extensible and then blame crashes and memleaks on the plugins :) |
| 11:10:32 | XavierGr | but it is free and I like firefox so I mustn't complain :P |
| 11:10:43 | pondlife | Money back guarantee? |
| 11:10:57 | XavierGr | pondlife: indeed :) |
| 11:11:23 | pondlife | Anyone object if I commit http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7249 - voice settings update?... |
| 11:12:22 | pondlife | In particular, anyone who can build manuals reliably like to check out the manual patch. |
| 11:12:39 | pondlife | Cygwin just doesn't cut the mustard for manuals, I've concluded. |
| 11:12:47 | * | petur clicks the vote link for the fun of it |
| 11:13:08 | B4gder | petur's become a voting machine! |
| 11:13:13 | B4gder | :-) |
| 11:13:20 | pondlife | Watch out for hanging chads. |
| 11:13:35 | * | pondlife votes for beer. |
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| 11:14:14 | petur | hehe |
| 11:16:10 | pondlife | pixelma: A while back, were you trying to get the HTML manual building under Cygwin? |
| 11:17:08 | pixelma | yes, but I gave up... :\ |
| 11:17:12 | pondlife | Me too. |
| 11:17:18 | pondlife | Just wondered... |
| 11:19:14 | JdGordon | B4gder: in overview you can see the most voted for tasks |
| 11:19:27 | JdGordon | and I tihk if the voting was restircted to devs, and was used it would be usefull |
| 11:19:31 | B4gder | aha |
| 11:20:39 | B4gder | the votes are still a bit unclear to me |
| 11:21:28 | B4gder | in that overview it shows the votes are more for the general concept than for the specific patch/bugs that exist |
| 11:21:46 | B4gder | and I don't see a need for that kind of voting |
| 11:22:09 | pondlife | We don't really have time to work on things that other people want... |
| 11:22:22 | JdGordon | well, I see it that is a request or patch has a fw votes then it means its posibly a good candidate to commit/work on? |
| 11:22:36 | JdGordon | pondlife: which is why i say devs only |
| 11:22:58 | B4gder | I don't think votes will cause any surprises |
| 11:23:10 | B4gder | we already pretty much know what "they" want |
| 11:23:46 | B4gder | but of course adding them for devs only probably won't hurt much either |
| 11:23:48 | pondlife | Yes, my point exactly... the demand is not the limiting factor. |
| 11:26:35 | pondlife | Is there anyone here who could build a manual for me? |
| 11:26:51 | pondlife | Including the manual patch from http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7249 |
| 11:27:24 | amiconn | linuxstb: Is the tatung elio PP5020, or is it PP5021 or higher? |
| 11:28:17 | linuxstb_ | It's PP5020 |
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| 11:32:09 | rp- | hi |
| 11:32:28 | rp- | JdGordon did you see my last comment on the sd sansa patch? |
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| 11:33:21 | JdGordon | just looking at it |
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| 11:34:04 | * | petur kicks JdGordon and points to his books... |
| 11:34:05 | rp- | k |
| 11:34:11 | JdGordon | thanks petur :) |
| 11:34:24 | JdGordon | rp whats the error on the BL? |
| 11:34:35 | XavierGr | pondlife: you want me to build you a manual? |
| 11:35:01 | JdGordon | and yeah, interesting bug you found there :( |
| 11:35:02 | pondlife | XavierGr: Yes please, if you could just check that my patch doesn't break it. |
| 11:35:31 | XavierGr | ok let me apply the patch |
| 11:35:49 | pondlife | Just the voice_options_manual.patch. |
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| 11:35:58 | pondlife | If it builds, I'll commit it. |
| 11:36:15 | pixelma | pondlife: aren't you able to buils a pdf manual as well? |
| 11:36:19 | pixelma | *build |
| 11:36:19 | rp- | here is the build log: http://rafb.net/p/dVP3D079.html |
| 11:36:20 | pondlife | No |
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| 11:37:02 | pondlife | I did manage once, but not at the moment... and I don't have time to investigate :( |
| 11:37:04 | rp- | JdGordon: i'm sorry for finding the bug ;) |
| 11:37:23 | JdGordon | rp-: ah yes, the BL needs to be built without multi-volume and hotswap... but I want to eventually get it to be able to boot from rockbox.mi4 on the sdcard |
| 11:37:32 | * | JdGordon goes back to studying... |
| 11:37:37 | pondlife | rp-: Never be sorry about finding bugs. |
| 11:37:47 | pondlife | (Well, unless you keep them to yourself.) |
| 11:37:48 | pixelma | pondlife: do you remember the error message? I'm guessing it's the unicode package though... |
| 11:38:03 | pondlife | Lots of them.. "LaTeX Error: \begin{description} on input line 44 ended by \e".. for example. |
| 11:38:26 | rp- | it was ironic |
| 11:38:33 | pondlife | pixelma: And it ends with make[2]: *** [rockbox-build.aux] Error make[1]: *** [manual-pdf] Error 2 |
| 11:39:01 | * | amiconn wonders whether linuxstb will ever pick up his started-and-abandoned ports again :/ |
| 11:39:54 | JdGordon | oh sure... he is allowed to abandon his ports.. but can the rest of us abandon the player... no fair :'( |
| 11:39:59 | * | JdGordon runs away |
| 11:40:08 | scorche | one of these days, i am going to nab an AV300, but i keep missing them on ebay =( |
| 11:41:36 | amiconn | JdGordon: I don't think it will feel odd when the scrolling behaviour is also changed slightly |
| 11:41:42 | pixelma | pondlife: that doesn't sound like UTF-8 problem, must be something else - looks rather like errors in the tex file but if you get that on a svn checkout too... |
| 11:42:26 | JdGordon | amiconn: na, I tired it, i can send you the patch if you want. the threads list is very wierd... you move down and seemingly randomly it changes screens |
| 11:43:14 | XavierGr | pondlife: the patch seems broken :\ |
| 11:43:24 | XavierGr | ah no |
| 11:43:26 | pondlife | Hmm, it's hardly large |
| 11:43:34 | XavierGr | I didn't download the last version |
| 11:43:44 | pondlife | Hmm, there's only one version! |
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| 11:43:56 | pondlife | This is the "_manual" one, right? |
| 11:44:13 | XavierGr | yeah I didnt' got that one |
| 11:44:16 | XavierGr | one moment please |
| 11:44:25 | pondlife | That's the only one you need. Not the others. |
| 11:46:26 | amiconn | JdGordon: That's what I mean with changed scrolling behaviour. It should always scroll when moving up/down, not only when the (invisible) cursor hits the bounbds |
| 11:47:35 | JdGordon | that will complicate the list a bit.. but it could be done |
| 11:47:51 | XavierGr | pondlife: for which target do you want me to build the manual? |
| 11:47:57 | pondlife | H300? |
| 11:48:03 | pondlife | Any should do. |
| 11:48:06 | XavierGr | ok |
| 11:50:31 | XavierGr | hmm I think I can't build manuals, I got a utf file not found error, strange though because I didn't have that error in the past |
| 11:50:51 | pondlife | Hmm, thanks for trying anyway. |
| 11:51:06 | XavierGr | "LaTeX Error: File `utf8x.def' not found." |
| 11:51:22 | XavierGr | after I pressed enter to continue I got other errors |
| 11:51:28 | pondlife | Me too. |
| 11:51:37 | XavierGr | though I got a pdf in the end, but I don't know if it is okay |
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| 11:53:27 | pondlife | Am I right in thinking we use the term "directory", not "folder"? |
| 11:53:40 | pondlife | "folder" is an MS-ism, right? |
| 11:53:45 | XavierGr | yup, even without your patch I still get the same error |
| 11:53:55 | linuxstb | amiconn: I think it's unlikely that I'll continue with the Elio port (I was hoping some other Elio owners would show an interest). But the code does serve a useful purpose in SVN - the bootloader is a generic PP5020 build which should run on any hard-disk based PP5020 device - so it's useful if anyone wants to experiment with other PP5020 devices. But I could remove it from SVN if you think it's in the way. |
| 11:53:56 | pondlife | Me too, and I get a PDF too. |
| 11:54:33 | linuxstb | amiconn: But I'm planning on seriously attempting the av300 port as soon as I'm done with Monkey's. |
| 11:54:51 | pondlife | Hmm, if I commit a manual mod - will I get to see red if it fails to build? Or will I just notice a lack of manuals after midnight? |
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| 11:55:34 | linuxstb | pondlife: Manuals aren't included in the current builds - so you'll just notice a missing manual tomorrow I think. |
| 11:56:01 | pondlife | I feared as much. |
| 11:56:02 | tucoz | pondlife, did you install the latex-ucs package? |
| 11:56:19 | amiconn | jhMikeS: are you around? |
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| 11:57:15 | pondlife | tucoz: I've not found that for Cygwin - any URL you could share? |
| 11:57:16 | tucoz | that enables unicode support. i guess that utf8x.def error is because you do not have latex-ucs installed |
| 11:57:40 | tucoz | pondlife, hmm. i think bluebrother found a page with that |
| 11:58:38 | pixelma | pondlife it's in the ManualHowto page... |
| 11:59:09 | pixelma | pondlife: I could try your patch |
| 11:59:51 | pondlife | Yes please, if you could... it's just a paragraph or two in voice.tex. |
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| 12:00:01 | XavierGr | ah I don't have latex-ucs installed on my vmware debian |
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| 12:00:43 | XavierGr | I think I can test now |
| 12:00:46 | XavierGr | let me see |
| 12:01:18 | pixelma | I'll wait then |
| 12:02:00 | XavierGr | pondlife: I think it has errors :\ |
| 12:02:34 | pondlife | :( |
| 12:03:00 | pondlife | OK, I'll see if I can get my Cygwin working, unless you can spot a silly typo. |
| 12:04:10 | pixelma | I believe it's missing some \end{descriptions} - let me see |
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| 12:04:21 | pixelma | -s |
| 12:09:57 | XavierGr | bah I can't build the html version of the manual |
| 12:10:06 | XavierGr | stupid dependencies... :( |
| 12:11:09 | pixelma | pondlife: yes, that fixed it. Should I attach a new patch in the tracker? |
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| 12:12:54 | pixelma | XavierGr: IIRC the tex package for debian is now a different one... amiconn got it running |
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| 12:14:46 | XavierGr | pixelma: so is there one for debian to install, or it need to be modified? |
| 12:14:51 | XavierGr | +s |
| 12:15:29 | pixelma | I don't know more about it |
| 12:15:51 | nls | amiconn: I posted a working patch for building coldefire builds with -Os if you are interested. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7264 |
| 12:16:34 | JdGordon | latex-ucs - support for using UTF-8 input encoding in LaTeX documents <- thats not the one you want? |
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| 12:16:58 | XavierGr | JdGordon: yes that worked in order to build the pdf manual |
| 12:17:10 | XavierGr | but now I get another error when I am trying to make manual-html |
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| 12:18:11 | voltagex | forgot to let you guys know I fixed the "fried" H340 |
| 12:18:20 | voltagex | so I'm back with Rockbox which is nice. |
| 12:18:28 | XavierGr | is there a wiki page listing all linux packages in order to compile rockbox? |
| 12:18:36 | pondlife | pixelma: Yes please |
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| 12:18:59 | pondlife | pixelma: Also, does the text make sense to you?? |
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| 12:19:33 | pixelma | heh... didn't read too much, yet :) |
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| 12:19:55 | pondlife | I found it surprisingly hard to describe..! |
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| 12:20:39 | webguest21 | Is there a different patchset rockbox can use? I like to listen to lots of midis, so this would be useful. |
| 12:20:46 | DerPapst | linuxstb: thanks for compiling :D |
| 12:22:13 | DerPapst | webguest21: dunno if they are any other patchsets available. maybe yo have to make one yourself. |
| 12:23:00 | webguest21 | ok. i'll try.. |
| 12:23:09 | DerPapst | i haven't gotten midi playback to work well on my iPod Video. |
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| 12:29:34 | pixelma | pondlife: so "use .talk clips" is now an extra option? At least this is how I understand it from reading the description, haven't tried the actual patch |
| 12:30:21 | pondlife | Yes. The main idea is to allow the user who might not have a full set of .talk clips (or who uses the database too) to configure the fallback to be spelt or numbered. |
| 12:30:48 | pondlife | Previously it was hard-coded to fall back to numbered files, which was a bit uselsss in a big database query. |
| 12:31:55 | pondlife | I did consider just using .talk clips if they were present, but that would result in disk spin-ups where dircache is not in use. (And maybe when it is too!) |
| 12:32:05 | pondlife | So thought config was safest. |
| 12:34:10 | pondlife | pixelma: I've updated http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceHowto - that's possibly clearer than the manual... |
| 12:34:59 | pixelma | hmm... trying to imagine what I would think when finding the option in the menu (especially that it takes priority over the other settings which are on the "same level" when looking at the menu) |
| 12:35:55 | linuxstb | DerPapst: You're welcome. I missed you by a few minutes last night... |
| 12:36:02 | pixelma | pondlife: or am I missing something? |
| 12:36:09 | pondlife | I don't understand. |
| 12:36:22 | pondlife | What would you want to achieve? |
| 12:37:01 | pondlife | The .talk clip takes priority if it exists and the option is enabled. |
| 12:37:15 | pondlife | Otherwise it uses the spell/number option (if configured). |
| 12:37:19 | pixelma | it's about the menu structure - explaining it is hard... seems I failed |
| 12:38:00 | pondlife | Indeed. I have had trouble explaining it too :( |
| 12:38:04 | pixelma | (or maybe it's only about the _imagined_ menu structure from reading the manual) |
| 12:38:26 | pondlife | Structure? There are now 5 options, all side-by-side. |
| 12:38:45 | pondlife | The menu doesn't have any "priority".. |
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| 12:41:32 | pondlife | pixelma: OK for me to commit your work? |
| 12:42:19 | DerPapst | LinusN: yep :-D seen that in the log. |
| 12:42:53 | DerPapst | s/LinusN/linuxstb |
| 12:43:16 | pixelma | yes, this is how I understood the manual but I can't imagine that I'd expect to set "use .talk clips" in one setting and then have to it set "spell" to define what happens when there's np .talk clip - if that makes sense :\ |
| 12:43:25 | pixelma | *no |
| 12:43:37 | pixelma | pondlife: sure |
| 12:44:04 | pondlife | OK. Well if you can think of better wording, let me know .. |
| 12:45:27 | XavierGr | I think that in oreder to make html manuals I will have to install the "tex4ht" package |
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| 12:45:38 | XavierGr | but doing so it asks to remove my kernel!! |
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| 12:45:46 | pondlife | XavierGr: That is not easy to find for Cygwin either! |
| 12:45:48 | pixelma | pondlife: it's not the wording (unless I misunderstand) - it's about setting it |
| 12:46:19 | pondlife | Well, I'd hope if the wording is correct then it would be easily undestood. |
| 12:46:22 | XavierGr | so unless I upgrade to debian unstable I won't be able to build html manuals |
| 12:46:53 | B4gder | surely debian testing is enough? |
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| 12:47:14 | * | nls gave up on building the html manual long ango... |
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| 12:52:20 | pixelma | XavierGr: short info about it in the log from 5th of June, search for texlive or tex4ht |
| 12:52:31 | XavierGr | I think I solved my problem |
| 12:52:46 | XavierGr | apt-get install tex4ht then it will ask to remove the kernel |
| 12:52:57 | XavierGr | you say no and then apt-get -f install |
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| 12:53:12 | XavierGr | then apt-get install tex4ht again |
| 12:53:18 | XavierGr | and hopefully that will fix it |
| 12:53:33 | pondlife | I can now make a PDF manual, needed to do a meke clean I think. |
| 12:54:35 | pixelma | pondlife: I think I understand but I'd expect some kind of hierarchy in the setting, but then it's judged from reading about it only... |
| 12:54:35 | XavierGr | but now I get other errors grrr. I will read the log |
| 12:55:43 | pixelma | XavierGr: I'm not sure it'll help you - it's just a short info about it |
| 12:55:53 | pondlife | There was always a heirarchy - the .talk clip would fall back to numbering/spelling if it wasn't present. |
| 12:56:01 | XavierGr | well I am going to install texlive too and see if that can work out |
| 12:56:06 | pondlife | Now the user can choose what it falls back to. |
| 12:57:49 | pixelma | pondlife: what happens if I use .talk clips but have the other voice options set to off? |
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| 13:00:22 | pondlife | It will use .talk clips where present, but otherwise keep quiet |
| 13:00:39 | pondlife | What would you expect? |
| 13:03:35 | pixelma | that's what I'd expect from reading, yes. But I'm not sure if that's good - from just looking at the menu I'd not expect that what I set in the "voice menu" (and so on) has an influence on what is happening when there is no .talk clip present (when using that) |
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| 13:04:13 | pixelma | ... that's so hard to explain ... |
| 13:04:52 | * | JdGordon votes to scrap 90% of the user settings... |
| 13:04:53 | pondlife | Let's see if we get many confused users...? |
| 13:04:56 | JdGordon | too hard to support |
| 13:05:03 | JdGordon | or just scrap the user support :D |
| 13:05:17 | pondlife | Especially the "scrolling" page ;p |
| 13:05:18 | pixelma | eh... and not "menus" but filenames/directories |
| 13:05:44 | pondlife | Menus means menus, it's nothing to do with the browser options. |
| 13:05:52 | pixelma | pondlife: well blind users could end up with no voice and wondering why... |
| 13:06:12 | pondlife | By default, voice menus is enabled |
| 13:06:47 | pondlife | So putting the .voice file in place should allow navigation to enable the browser options. |
| 13:06:50 | pondlife | Same as before. |
| 13:06:51 | pixelma | pondlife: yeah, stupid typo... I know that it only has an influence on voiced filenames |
| 13:07:20 | pixelma | (.talk clips or not) - and directories of course - sigh |
| 13:08:13 | pondlife | The main confusion will be that users of .talk clips will now need to enable the option as a one-off. I'll post on the users ML.... |
| 13:11:02 | pixelma | and the other confusion could be that they get no voice feedback while browsing, no? |
| 13:12:21 | pondlife | That will be the case after upgrading. |
| 13:12:27 | pondlife | They will need to reconfigure. |
| 13:13:03 | pondlife | Maybe there's a way to have it "upgrade" the settings? |
| 13:13:17 | pondlife | JdGordon: Any ideas? |
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| 13:13:31 | * | JdGordon not following convo |
| 13:13:46 | JdGordon | whats the prob? |
| 13:14:02 | pondlife | I've changed the config settings. |
| 13:14:48 | pondlife | Existing users would have something like "Voice dirs: hover". But "hover" is no longer an option, so I assume it will return the default option now? |
| 13:15:24 | JdGordon | yep |
| 13:15:29 | JdGordon | well... it shhuold |
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| 13:16:12 | pondlife | So, is there any way I can make it map to something else? Maybe keep the "hover" option in the file i/o code and remap it? But not allow the user to select it in the menu, |
| 13:16:37 | JdGordon | no, thats a bit nasty imo... |
| 13:17:09 | pondlife | I agree. I'll post on the ML and people will have to reconfig. Voice menus will still be enabled, so it's should be possible. |
| 13:17:26 | amiconn | Why not just fall back to the default? |
| 13:17:27 | JdGordon | well, I guess we could add something like this, and limit it to 2 or 3 settings, but tha will kill load times |
| 13:17:37 | amiconn | You can always put a warning in the commit msg |
| 13:17:47 | pondlife | Erm, too late! |
| 13:18:17 | pondlife | I'll put a nice note on the user ML - that's where msny visually impaired users hang out. |
| 13:18:28 | pondlife | I've updated the wiki and manual too. |
| 13:20:33 | amiconn | pondlife: .talk clips for files doesn't require spinups for each file. The file browser caches whether a file has an associated .talk clip as a special attribute |
| 13:20:46 | pondlife | Ah, so only for directories? |
| 13:20:52 | pondlife | I could remove the file option? |
| 13:21:03 | pondlife | Less options = good... |
| 13:21:12 | nls | indeed |
| 13:21:21 | amiconn | I think the option should stay |
| 13:21:34 | pondlife | It's nice to have symmetry. |
| 13:21:54 | pondlife | Any chance we could cache that info for directories too and scrap both options? |
| 13:22:09 | amiconn | Hmm, now that I think of it, it could also cache this info for dirs |
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| 13:22:30 | amiconn | But even with this caching, enabling .talk clips causes more disk activity |
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| 13:22:47 | amiconn | ...because each file has to be checked whether a corresponding .talk clip exists |
| 13:23:55 | nls | amiconn: well, dircache could help out |
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| 13:24:32 | pixelma | I still don't like the fact that one has to know s/he has to set numbers/spell in a different option to define what happens when there is no .talk file present :\ |
| 13:25:03 | pondlife | Well how else to make it configurable? I could maintain the old "numbers" behaviour... |
| 13:25:15 | pondlife | But it seems more sensible to make it fully configurable. |
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| 13:25:34 | pondlife | I agree the transition may prove a little unpleasant. |
| 13:25:43 | pondlife | But the end product is more logical. |
| 13:25:56 | * | pondlife needs petur's book of Sentences.. |
| 13:27:12 | amiconn | nls: On archos? |
| 13:27:33 | nls | amiconn: hmm, no not for archos... |
| 13:28:12 | petur | eh? |
| 13:29:25 | XavierGr | well I have to say that firefox now (without reboot) dropped to 50MB of memory usage after leaving it alone for some time (about an hour I think) |
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| 13:30:02 | pixelma | pondlife: what I also wanted to tell you but was carried away with the general discussion... one tiny tiny thing about the description in the manual... I don't like the sentence starting with ".talk clips" |
| 13:30:26 | JdGordon | XavierGr: you had lots of tabs open? |
| 13:31:30 | XavierGr | no, not at all |
| 13:31:49 | JdGordon | ok then... |
| 13:31:51 | XavierGr | JdGordon: 3 tabs open at the time which It hit 400MB and 3 tabs open now |
| 13:32:10 | XavierGr | the difference was that I was browsing a webpage with a massive ammount of images |
| 13:32:40 | XavierGr | so I could see from the task manager that memory usage was increasing as firefox was struggling to show all these images |
| 13:33:19 | pixelma | XavierGr: the 400MB seem to be fixed - I got 2 instances open currently, both with a lot of tabs) |
| 13:34:24 | pondlife | pixelma: Feel free to reword it... I couldn't find a clearer way to put it... I agree with you though! |
| 13:34:39 | * | amiconn has 25 tabs open, and firefox needs just a little more than 80MB ram |
| 13:35:04 | XavierGr | pixelma: what do you mean seem to be fixed? I am sure I have the latest firefox version, though yes I agree that my case might not be a memory leak |
| 13:35:20 | pixelma | pondlife: just put a "The" at the beginning? I just don't like it starting with a dot |
| 13:36:10 | petur | you can configure the caching alot through about:config |
| 13:36:27 | petur | there was an article on /. recently I think |
| 13:36:46 | JdGordon | amiconn: ah, your right, forcing the list to always move if selection is hidden works fine |
| 13:37:49 | pixelma | XavierGr: no I meant that it takes the same amount of memory here even though I have more tabs open - but that doesn't seem to be right provided what amiconn said... |
| 13:38:23 | XavierGr | yay after 80 mb of packages I managed to build an html manual (though still it nags about a mutlirow file?) |
| 13:38:50 | XavierGr | for the record: in order to manage to build html manual you may need texlive and/or tex4ht |
| 13:39:15 | pondlife | pixelma: Which sentence starts with .talk ? I can't see it... |
| 13:40:08 | pondlife | Ah, I see it. |
| 13:40:17 | pixelma | 2nd sentence under "Use directory .talk clips" - it... ok |
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| 13:42:37 | JdGordon | amiconn: shuold it be allowed to wrap? |
| 13:44:19 | amiconn | iMHO IT SHOULDN'T |
| 13:44:23 | amiconn | oops |
| 13:44:28 | pondlife | Ow, my ears |
| 13:44:42 | amiconn | damn caps lock |
| 13:44:43 | JdGordon | :D |
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| 13:45:21 | pixelma | pondlife: are you working on the wording still? |
| 13:45:36 | pondlife | Yes, well about to commit... |
| 13:45:54 | pondlife | Suggestions? Or shall I commit and let you pick it up? |
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| 13:46:22 | JdGordon | amiconn: ok, it works fine as long as the list is always started at item 0... |
| 13:46:30 | JdGordon | otherwise it goes a bit funny.. |
| 13:47:05 | pixelma | maybe there should be a sentence in the "Voice directories" sections to point out that the setting there is important what happens when using .talk clips? |
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| 13:47:37 | pondlife | Yes |
| 13:47:38 | pixelma | pondlife: and "Voice filenames" |
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| 13:48:21 | amiconn | pondlife: Hmm, I think the option can't be removed even when ignoring the disk accesses |
| 13:48:43 | amiconn | ..because it may be that you don't want to hear the .talk clips even if they exist |
| 13:48:49 | pixelma | obviously I'm not good at putting that in words today... |
| 13:48:50 | pondlife | It also can save loading the voice file into memory. |
| 13:49:07 | pondlife | pixelma: It's ok, I thnk I understand... ;) |
| 13:51:08 | pixelma | thanks for your understanding... ;) |
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| 14:02:29 | JdGordon | ok, who has a better name for the function which stops the selection line/cursor from showing that "gui_synclist_hide_selection" which is obviously very bad? |
| 14:02:57 | pondlife | What does it do again? |
| 14:03:16 | pondlife | Hide Selection seems reasonable... |
| 14:03:26 | * | JdGordon adds _marker to above function and commits |
| 14:03:51 | * | pondlife loves extra _'s... :/ |
| 14:05:08 | * | JdGordon loves them in the target tree... |
| 14:05:21 | JdGordon | backlight_on(), _backlight_on(), __backlight_on() :D |
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| 14:07:24 | pondlife | JdGordon: Good job we don't mix C and C++ here ;) |
| 14:07:41 | JdGordon | ah, but we could.... |
| 14:07:46 | JdGordon | think of the possibilites! |
| 14:07:47 | pixelma | yeah, like linuxstb, linuxstb_, linuxstb__ :P |
| 14:08:07 | * | JdGordon votes to port rockbox to C# to get more developers joiing! |
| 14:08:07 | * | B4gder giggles |
| 14:08:20 | B4gder | they'll joing all right |
| 14:08:27 | JdGordon | bah |
| 14:08:29 | markun | JdGordon: I read in some forum that you need C# anyway for embeded development :) |
| 14:08:32 | B4gder | ;-] |
| 14:08:47 | markun | (zune-linux forum of course) |
| 14:09:07 | JdGordon | are all our fonts monospaced? (is that the right word?) |
| 14:09:29 | JdGordon | all letters the same width |
| 14:09:33 | markun | JdGordon: they are not all fixed with no |
| 14:09:34 | B4gder | no, they're not |
| 14:09:39 | markun | what made you think that? |
| 14:09:47 | JdGordon | wishful tihking |
| 14:09:51 | JdGordon | thinking* |
| 14:10:08 | markun | dangerous thinking |
| 14:10:29 | * | JdGordon wonders how many spaces to add on the second line of the partition item... without the selection shown its hrd t see which is which |
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| 14:11:47 | JdGordon | 3 it is then... |
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| 14:17:24 | pondlife | pixelma: Updated voice options text in the SVN manual now FWIW. |
| 14:17:39 | amiconn | JdGordon: Why 2 lines? |
| 14:17:57 | JdGordon | 2 lines where? |
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| 14:22:28 | amiconn | RuleSet{ |
| 14:22:28 | amiconn | name={} |
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| 14:22:29 | amiconn | global={0} |
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| 14:22:47 | JdGordon | wrong window? |
| 14:23:00 | amiconn | ooops |
| 14:23:24 | amiconn | No, clipboard mistake |
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| 14:24:50 | * | JdGordon balmes red delta on amiconn... it was his idea :D |
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| 14:34:39 | amiconn | The partition items... |
| 14:36:11 | JdGordon | because thats the way it always was.. the first line is P# S:<something> the next is T:<type?> <size> |
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| 14:53:53 | linuxstb | nls: Thanks for fixing FILES... |
| 14:54:36 | pixelma | pondlife: there is a typo in your last manual commit "conttols" but I also expected something like a note to explain that when using .talk clips and a clip is not present, it falls back to what is set in "Voice directories/filename", because I think that's important (sorry if that wasn't clear in my last comment) |
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| 15:18:26 | JdGordon | whats the general feeling about changing letters in fonts? |
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| 15:23:47 | nls | linuxstb: np, it's very easily forgotten... |
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| 15:26:15 | nls | B4gder: is there any (good) reason why we can't just tar a regular svn checkout? |
| 15:27:04 | JdGordon | the .svn folders? |
| 15:27:06 | B4gder | I guess we can, but we want to exclude some stuff and get a proper name etc |
| 15:27:30 | B4gder | the script is meant to work for everyone even with builds etc present |
| 15:29:04 | nls | B4gder: aha, ok, well, it's just a minor annoyance, with it being forgotten, and breaking the tarballs (which almost no-one uses anyway so it often goes undetected for a long time) |
| 15:29:14 | B4gder | yeah |
| 15:29:16 | * | nls can not type coherently |
| 15:30:42 | Llorean | Out of curiosity, with all the problems the tarball seems to crop up here and there, and the fact that a linux-like environment is needed to compile (meaning usually ready access to SVN), why do we have the tarball? Is there a specific reason, or is it a general "keep everyone's options open" kinda thing? |
| 15:31:03 | linuxstb | I think some people have firewall problems with svn |
| 15:31:20 | B4gder | yeah, some people can't get it from svn |
| 15:31:36 | Llorean | Ah, okay |
| 15:31:42 | B4gder | that's really the only reason I think is valid |
| 15:32:00 | Llorean | Yeah, that's a good one. |
| 15:32:01 | JdGordon | B4gder: you have web stats for each file dont you? is the tarball actualy download that often? |
| 15:32:08 | linuxstb | nls: I wouldn't agree that forgotten FILES changes go undetected for a long time - people seem to quickly appear to complain about build problems. |
| 15:32:21 | B4gder | I don't have stats for the build.rockbox.org site just yet |
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| 15:32:24 | JdGordon | ok |
| 15:33:56 | nls | linuxstb: maybe I haven't been paying attention :-) |
| 15:34:10 | linuxstb | I've fixed it quite a few times myself in the past.. |
| 15:35:35 | * | JdGordon is guilty of forgetting that file a few times... |
| 15:37:08 | haemmy | which compiler is used for compiling the Ipod Video source? |
| 15:37:21 | nls | haemmy: arm-elf-gcc |
| 15:37:46 | nls | 4.0.3 iirc or maybe 4.0.4 |
| 15:37:54 | B4gder | and the answer to the next question is tools/rockboxdev.sh ;-) |
| 15:38:18 | haemmy | hm? |
| 15:38:24 | haemmy | which question? ^^ |
| 15:38:30 | Llorean | Usually the next question is "Where do I get arm-elf-gcc" |
| 15:38:57 | haemmy | ah |
| 15:39:32 | haemmy | http://www.siwawi.arubi.uni-kl.de/avr_projects/arm_projects/#winarm here? |
| 15:39:46 | intgr | Use GNUARM. |
| 15:40:21 | B4gder | I advice against all prebuilt packages except those we provide on rockbox.org |
| 15:41:00 | haemmy | are there any for win too? |
| 15:41:07 | B4gder | for cygwin, yes |
| 15:41:13 | linuxstb | haemmy: You also need more than just gcc to build Rockbox - it requires a unix-like shell environment (bash, Perl, Make etc) |
| 15:41:22 | haemmy | ok ^^ |
| 15:41:43 | haemmy | then i put that plan away for a while |
| 15:41:56 | haemmy | until i have machine with linux running |
| 15:42:08 | intgr | Cygwin works reasonably well. |
| 15:42:14 | B4gder | there's also a vmware image |
| 15:42:36 | intgr | Or coLinux. |
| 15:42:54 | haemmy | ah was just intersted, but its not so important |
| 15:43:34 | B4gder | come on, you know only weaklings run prebuilt rockbox binaries! ;-P |
| 15:44:32 | * | Llorean looks at his players running prebuilt binaries and holds back a sob. |
| 15:44:38 | B4gder | haha |
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| 15:49:02 | amiconn | JdGordon: Hopefully converting the mentioned debug screen will save a bit. It's not much increase for the new list feature |
| 15:49:29 | amiconn | Also, this hiding should be used for other readonly lists as well (like the id3 viewer and rockbox info) |
| 15:49:30 | JdGordon | right, but finding the time to do the conversion isnt easy.... |
| 15:49:34 | JdGordon | seen as how boring it is :D |
| 15:50:33 | pondlife | Not as boring as updating the manual's voice section... :( |
| 15:50:47 | * | JdGordon flatly refuses to work on the manual... |
| 15:51:05 | JdGordon | although, i think you all rejoice over that :D think of al the typo cmmit that would bring |
| 15:51:15 | JdGordon | commits* |
| 15:51:18 | nls | the manual i loads of fun, until latex starts messing with the whitespace, arg! |
| 15:51:19 | JdGordon | all* |
| 15:52:23 | * | Llorean has found "building the manual" is one of the things he hasn't yet worked out how to do on Ubuntu |
| 15:53:04 | nls | Llorean: there is a patch in the tracker that makes it build with dash |
| 15:53:24 | nls | or you can link SH to bash |
| 15:53:35 | Llorean | Ah, that's it then? |
| 15:54:06 | nls | Llorean: well, you need a couple of packages too of course |
| 15:54:24 | * | ender` can't run the prebuilt binaries because they lack some patches :) |
| 15:54:52 | Llorean | nls: I've got the right packages. |
| 15:54:52 | JdGordon | amiconn: I just tested the id3 viewer with the selection marker hiden, I dont know if I like it... |
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| 15:55:00 | Llorean | nls: I just didn't realize about the dash thing |
| 15:55:08 | | Part LinusN |
| 15:55:29 | JdGordon | besides the fac that there seems to be a bug with moving up and down which only affects multi-line lists |
| 15:55:29 | amiconn | JdGordon: In fact I don't like the 2-line list item thing, marker hidden or not |
| 15:55:40 | JdGordon | I agree |
| 15:55:43 | JdGordon | but they work |
| 15:55:45 | JdGordon | usually... |
| 15:56:36 | nls | Llorean: FS #6919 has the patch |
| 15:56:42 | JdGordon | well... umm... |
| 15:56:51 | amiconn | They work, but they're confusing |
| 15:56:54 | JdGordon | they are better than having an entire screen scrolling |
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| 15:58:03 | JdGordon | I tried getting it to only show the first line of items which arent selected once, but failed miserably... |
| 15:58:06 | Llorean | nls: I think I'll go the other way, I don't like having patches in my tree, for fear of accidentally committing them when I'm just fixing a typo or clarifying a step somewhere |
| 15:58:12 | JdGordon | don know if that would make them any better though |
| 15:59:10 | amiconn | Why not just put the info on one line, e.g. in the id3 viewer |
| 15:59:16 | amiconn | Artist: blah |
| 15:59:22 | amiconn | Album: blubb |
| 15:59:30 | amiconn | Instead of using 4 lines... |
| 15:59:50 | pondlife | I agree - it has to scroll quite often anyway. |
| 15:59:56 | B4gder | that album is great! |
| 15:59:58 | amiconn | Might require some horizontal scrolling on small screens... |
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| 16:00:10 | JdGordon | lots of horizontal scrolling... |
| 16:00:29 | * | pondlife uses big fonts, so is probably overused to horizontal scrolling |
| 16:01:07 | JdGordon | even with small fonts, the sansa screen (and nano) issnt wide enough for a mildly long name |
| 16:01:26 | pondlife | Apropos nothing much, I wish the ID3 viewer just skipped blank fields rather than including them as "No info". |
| 16:01:35 | markun | B4gder: blubb? |
| 16:01:47 | JdGordon | pondlife: not so easy though :( |
| 16:01:52 | pondlife | markun: It's a great album, you should hear it |
| 16:01:54 | * | linuxstb prefers blah's self-titled debut album |
| 16:02:12 | JdGordon | is that the one with the blorf single? |
| 16:02:28 | pondlife | JdGordon: As it is, there's plenty of vertical scrolling involved to use the ID3 viewer... |
| 16:02:56 | * | JdGordon prefers vertical then horizontal |
| 16:03:13 | pondlife | Horizontal happens without any button pressing.... |
| 16:03:39 | pondlife | It's not a biggie, but I'd like to try it the other way maybe.. |
| 16:04:13 | * | JdGordon prays to the lcd gods for a rotatable lcd driver... |
| 16:04:30 | Llorean | nls: Know what to do about utf8x.def? I don't recall running into this one when I first set up latex for the old, old vmware image I used to work with |
| 16:05:23 | nls | Llorean: do you have the latex-ucs package installed? |
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| 16:06:42 | Llorean | nls: Probably not. |
| 16:06:55 | Llorean | Alright, that fixed it. |
| 16:08:12 | Llorean | nls: Thanks, that was it. |
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| 16:10:49 | markun | pondlife: it just took me a while to realise about which 'great album' he was talking :) |
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| 16:17:16 | Nico_P | nls: about the bash/dash thing... why not just call bash directly instead of sh ? |
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| 16:18:01 | nls | Nico_P: I have no idea, haven't had a look at any of the manual build scripts myself |
| 16:18:23 | B4gder | because it isn't a bash requirement |
| 16:18:29 | B4gder | it is a non-dash requirement |
| 16:18:52 | B4gder | I would feel bad to restrict us more than necessary |
| 16:19:16 | Nico_P | ok I see |
| 16:19:48 | B4gder | we should all just flame ubuntu and then we'll feel better ;-) |
| 16:19:54 | pondlife | pixelma: OK, my *final* manual update is now committed... please let ther be no more typos! |
| 16:19:57 | Llorean | It's an easy fix, and apparently Ubuntu users are likely to run into the same problem with myriad other scripts anyway. |
| 16:20:08 | Nico_P | B4gder: I'm using kubuntu so no flaming for me :) |
| 16:20:09 | B4gder | indeed |
| 16:20:12 | B4gder | haha |
| 16:20:21 | B4gder | Nico_P: that's not using dash by default then? |
| 16:20:33 | Nico_P | actually it is |
| 16:20:34 | B4gder | afaiu, they changed to dash rather recently |
| 16:21:02 | Nico_P | any idea of the reason for that ? |
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| 16:22:45 | B4gder | Bug #61463 in ubuntu requests a revert => rejected |
| 16:23:27 | B4gder | basically saying all scripts that break due to this are bad and should be fixed |
| 16:23:30 | B4gder | not the other way around |
| 16:23:52 | Nico_P | that's not entirely false |
| 16:24:02 | B4gder | from their viewpoint, sure |
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| 16:24:15 | B4gder | it just depends on what you claim is the right way |
| 16:24:41 | Llorean | Honestly, you'd expect a stricter distro to do something like that. Isn't Ubuntu's focus on "The user just sees it working, without having to know how or why"? |
| 16:24:44 | Nico_P | well having scripts that are independant of the shell is always better, isn't it ? |
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| 16:24:50 | B4gder | it seems they changed because dash is smaller and runs faster |
| 16:25:13 | B4gder | Nico_P: sure, but in this case I'm not at all sure dash is right |
| 16:25:19 | Llorean | Scripts exploding at innocent Dell users doesn't seem to be a good way to build up Linux's usability image. |
| 16:25:24 | Shaid | is dash open source? |
| 16:25:28 | B4gder | yes |
| 16:25:40 | Nico_P | So we change dash :D |
| 16:25:48 | Shaid | :) |
| 16:26:12 | Nico_P | why correct the script when you can easily correct the shell ! |
| 16:28:38 | B4gder | yes, that's assuming they agree with you it being a fault in the first place |
| 16:28:55 | B4gder | I would expect they don't |
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| 16:30:56 | B4gder | here's some very cool info: |
| 16:31:06 | B4gder | Until IEEE Std 1003.1 2004 Edition, the spec said that POSIX compliant implementations of the shell "need not" support options. |
| 16:31:16 | B4gder | It appears that the ash developers decided to *not* support options to echo, while the bash developers decided to *allow* options to echo, for whatever reason. |
| 16:31:30 | B4gder | The standard was changed in 2004 to specify that echo "shall not" accept options, leaving bash in a state not only of non-compliance, but also with a long list of shell scripts that depended on the echo command being able to accept options. |
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| 16:32:01 | Zagor | how do you perform echo -n without options? |
| 16:32:17 | B4gder | "It is not possible to use echo portably across all POSIX systems unless both -n (as the first argument) and escape sequences are omitted." |
| 16:32:30 | B4gder | that's from the acutal standard text |
| 16:32:41 | Zagor | very weird decision indeed |
| 16:32:43 | B4gder | the last quote I mean |
| 16:32:48 | B4gder | indeed |
| 16:32:58 | Nico_P | yeah, strange |
| 16:33:07 | Nico_P | so dash is actually right |
| 16:33:15 | Zagor | so all shell scripts written in the last, what, 15 years? should be rewritten. yeah, great idea. |
| 16:33:19 | Nico_P | somebody want to fix the makefile ? |
| 16:33:32 | * | Nico_P got to go |
| 16:33:40 | linuxstb | What about using printf instead? |
| 16:34:20 | B4gder | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dash/+bug/61463 |
| 16:34:31 | B4gder | contains the heated debate |
| 16:34:54 | B4gder | printf could work |
| 16:35:09 | linuxstb | I've just tested, and the problem striing - "\newline" can be displayed with printf "\\\newline" in both dash and bash. |
| 16:35:42 | linuxstb | (I mean \newcommand) |
| 16:35:44 | Zagor | yeah printf seems to work in most shells. |
| 16:35:54 | Zagor | I didn't even know it existed as a shell command :-) |
| 16:35:59 | B4gder | it's not part of the shell is it? |
| 16:36:10 | B4gder | it's a separate command |
| 16:36:12 | Zagor | ah, that's why |
| 16:36:17 | Zagor | even better |
| 16:36:28 | pondlife | Blimey, even Cygwin supports it... |
| 16:37:10 | Zagor | it is built-in in bash though |
| 16:37:19 | Zagor | (at least according to the man page) |
| 16:37:24 | B4gder | aha |
| 16:37:58 | linuxstb | According to the dash manpage, it's optional to build-in printf |
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| 16:42:52 | B4gder | http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/printf.html |
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| 16:42:59 | B4gder | printf in POSIX |
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| 16:44:46 | linuxstb | I've just added a patch to FS #6919 to use printf - any Ubuntu users around to test it? |
| 16:48:03 | Llorean | linuxstb: Will in just a minute |
| 16:48:19 | linuxstb | Thanks |
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| 16:49:55 | Llorean | linuxstb: Seems to work, about to skim the pdf |
| 16:50:02 | Llorean | Wow, dash is quite a bit faster, too |
| 16:51:13 | Llorean | It didn't copy the .pdf file out of the /manual folder in my build folder, I *think* it used to do that, didn't it? |
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| 16:51:50 | Llorean | And I think the error at the end is different from the error at the end I used to get. Heh. |
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| 16:54:01 | XavierGr | Llorean: can you build html manuals? |
| 16:54:32 | himmelstrutz22 | does ipod nano 8gb work well with rockbox? |
| 16:54:44 | nls | himmelstrutz22: it doesn't work at all |
| 16:54:45 | GodEater | himmelstrutz22: it doesn't work at all |
| 16:54:52 | GodEater | there's an echo as usual |
| 16:54:53 | Llorean | XavierGr: What's the command for that? |
| 16:55:07 | himmelstrutz22 | oh, damn. |
| 16:55:18 | himmelstrutz22 | will it work in the future? |
| 16:55:29 | XavierGr | Llorean: make manual-html |
| 16:55:30 | Llorean | himmelstrutz22: If someone who has one figures out how to get unsigned code running on it. |
| 16:55:38 | Llorean | XavierGr: Ah, I tried html, and html-manual |
| 16:55:44 | XavierGr | heh :P |
| 16:55:52 | XavierGr | yeah I tried that too then looked the makefile |
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| 16:56:39 | himmelstrutz22 | ok. well. could someone please recommend a good +8gb portable player that works well with rockbox? I can't be without ogg vorbis, but one thing that I can be with out is video/photo/big ass display. |
| 16:57:35 | GodEater | himmelstrutz22: how about looking at the front page of www.rockbox.org, and picking one from the list of supported players there ? |
| 16:57:39 | Llorean | XavierGr: manual-html seems to work fine |
| 16:57:59 | XavierGr | interesting |
| 16:58:10 | XavierGr | do you have texlive or tex4ht installed? |
| 16:58:20 | Llorean | tex4ht |
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| 16:58:30 | XavierGr | yeah that's probably it |
| 16:58:42 | himmelstrutz22 | godeater: I thinking about asking a human for a direct recommendation.... but of course I could look at the list at the homepage. |
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| 16:59:10 | himmelstrutz22 | but its a jungle out there, and I would need a machete to get by. |
| 16:59:12 | markun | himmelstrutz22: maybe one of the iaudios? |
| 16:59:13 | XavierGr | well i had major problems building html manuals and texlive and/or tex4ht did the job (although it still nags me about a missing file) |
| 16:59:21 | GodEater | himmelstrutz22: oddly enough, the page at www.rockbox.org was *written* by humans |
| 16:59:30 | GodEater | amazing I know. |
| 16:59:35 | himmelstrutz22 | godeater: no way! |
| 16:59:40 | Llorean | XavierGr: I thought tex4ht was considered 'required' |
| 16:59:42 | markun | himmelstrutz22: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide |
| 16:59:51 | himmelstrutz22 | markun: thanks |
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| 17:00:02 | XavierGr | Llorean: yeah, maybe I didnt know about it until now |
| 17:00:04 | GodEater | another dusty corner of the wiki I didn't know about there markun ;) |
| 17:00:05 | himmelstrutz22 | thats what I needed |
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| 17:00:46 | Llorean | XavierGr: I just remember that when going through the packages picking what to install, I remember "Right, I need tex4ht" |
| 17:00:58 | Llorean | So someone apparently said it within my hearing at some point. :) |
| 17:01:06 | GodEater | linuxstb: I've been trampled in the rush of people responding to the London social meet thread. So where do you want to go for a beer? :) |
| 17:01:17 | Llorean | linuxstb: Did you see my responses re the patch? |
| 17:01:36 | jac0b | is there a plan to implement the SD-card function into the sansa build? |
| 17:01:45 | XavierGr | Llorean: is there a package with all the required packages? because when I was making the VMware enviroment I didn't install that one |
| 17:01:50 | linuxstb | GodEater: :) I should reply in the forum - try and show it's not just you... |
| 17:01:59 | XavierGr | (I dont know if it is included in the new image) |
| 17:02:05 | Llorean | XavierGr: I believe it's tetex-base, tetex-extra, latex-ucs and tex4ht |
| 17:02:06 | markun | himmelstrutz22: look at the amazing runtime of the M5L |
| 17:02:12 | XavierGr | Llorean: package = wiki page (sorry) |
| 17:02:20 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes, I read the logs. So it seems OK to commit? |
| 17:02:21 | Llorean | XavierGr: I don't believe there's a wiki page, at least I couldn't find one. |
| 17:02:37 | himmelstrutz22 | markun: my eyes just dropped. |
| 17:02:45 | Llorean | linuxstb: As far as I can tell. Works perfectly, cuts the pdf manual build time significantly (using dash rather than bash does, at least). |
| 17:03:01 | Nico_P | "/bin/sh: Syntax error: "(" unexpected" |
| 17:03:04 | Llorean | There's still a few error: 2s at the end of the build, but if I recall that's somewhat normal anyway. The manual itself seems fine. |
| 17:03:20 | Nico_P | that's what I get when I try to build the manual with the patch |
| 17:03:35 | pixelma | yes, tex4ht is what's needed fot the html manual and I'm unable to install it manually on cygwin (no prebuilt package available) :\ |
| 17:03:37 | Llorean | Nico_P: But do you have a manual pdf in the /manual folder? |
| 17:03:43 | Nico_P | oh yes I do have it |
| 17:03:52 | Nico_P | rockbox-build.pdf |
| 17:03:56 | XavierGr | no errors for me with texlive and tex4ht installed (except that I have to press enter once in a while because it nags about a mutlirow file missing) |
| 17:04:12 | himmelstrutz22 | what's the difference between iAudio M5 and iAudio M5L? just size? |
| 17:04:19 | himmelstrutz22 | (and prize?) |
| 17:04:23 | Llorean | Well, I *thought* the errors were normal. It's just as likely I'm wrong. |
| 17:04:34 | Llorean | himmelstrutz22: M5L has a much larger battery |
| 17:05:05 | XavierGr | I don't know for sure I will try to search more for it when I come back from work |
| 17:05:17 | pixelma | himmelstrutz22: the L is for "larger battery" but therefore can only fit a single platter drive - 20GB |
| 17:05:43 | GodEater | the H1x0 is missing off that page |
| 17:05:53 | GodEater | I know they're hard to find, but we should include it... |
| 17:05:58 | himmelstrutz22 | pix/llorean: ok. seem to be the player for me. 40 gb is too much today. thanks! |
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| 17:06:21 | Llorean | pixelma: Should be upgradeable to 40 these days, and 50 soon, I imagine. |
| 17:06:54 | pixelma | himmelstrutz22: I could only find a store on ebay.uk (mp3 direct) who sells them |
| 17:07:18 | pixelma | Llorean: sure, but that's not what they come with |
| 17:07:31 | himmelstrutz22 | pixelma: oh damn. typical. |
| 17:08:19 | pixelma | for example the X5L comes in 2 "sizes" 20GB and 30GB |
| 17:09:13 | pixelma | Llorean: the stock M5L is only available with a 20GB drive |
| 17:09:14 | markun | himmelstrutz22: a Gigabeat F40 can be found online for around USD 100, but I don't know if it is the right player for you |
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| 17:09:58 | markun | it works very well with rockbox, but has no recording or radio |
| 17:10:22 | pixelma | himmelstrutz22: I bought mine from there, the ship to germany but only accept paypal |
| 17:10:32 | markun | it is very fast and has a nice screen, but you stated you don't care much for that |
| 17:11:04 | pixelma | downside: the charger that comes with it has UK plugs |
| 17:12:21 | himmelstrutz22 | *: I will try something that exists in store today, here in norway! =) my old iriver just got smashed so I need a new one right away! =) |
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| 17:13:53 | bloodskin | so rockbox cant play videos that youve transfered with itunes? |
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| 17:14:18 | bloodskin | ive been looking for about 4 hours for some kind of info on it, and have gotten mixed signals |
| 17:14:31 | Llorean | It cannot. |
| 17:14:33 | bloodskin | (rockbox for the ipod video that is) |
| 17:14:35 | Llorean | No official documentation claims it can. |
| 17:14:40 | bloodskin | ok, thanks |
| 17:14:47 | Llorean | Where do you feel you're getting mixed signals from, specifically? |
| 17:15:08 | bloodskin | i read somewhere that there was a plugin but i couldnt find it |
| 17:15:47 | Llorean | Did you try looking in the manual? |
| 17:15:49 | markun | bloodskin: there is a video plugin |
| 17:15:55 | markun | but for a different format |
| 17:16:08 | bloodskin | avi mpg? |
| 17:16:11 | markun | bloodskin: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 17:17:52 | bloodskin | i see. its built in |
| 17:18:13 | GodEater | wow - someone who gets it straight away! |
| 17:18:39 | bloodskin | where can i download it? |
| 17:18:39 | bloodskin | :p |
| 17:18:41 | bloodskin | jk |
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| 17:19:44 | bloodskin | is there any way i can give back to the community? |
| 17:19:54 | GodEater | paypal ? |
| 17:19:59 | bloodskin | XD |
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| 17:20:16 | GodEater | usually a heartfelt thank you is well received too :) |
| 17:20:22 | markun | bloodskin: do you know how to program or write documentation? |
| 17:20:39 | bloodskin | im leaning visual basic ATM |
| 17:20:59 | bloodskin | i could build a rockbox mirc script |
| 17:21:22 | bloodskin | like, have it themed like roxkbox, and have an auto updater |
| 17:21:23 | * | GodEater suspects it'll be a while before rockbox sports a VB Runtime Engine |
| 17:21:24 | desowin | ? |
| 17:21:44 | desowin | bloodskin: I have no idea how you would do this |
| 17:21:45 | bloodskin | and such |
| 17:22:00 | bloodskin | easy. themes are easy |
| 17:22:21 | bloodskin | the updater would just check the DB for the latest build and log the current build you have |
| 17:22:23 | * | GodEater wonders if he can write a hald rule to autoupdate his DAPs when they get plugged in |
| 17:22:25 | Slasheri | i hope there will be never anything like basic in rockbox |
| 17:22:53 | markun | bloodskin: another thing you can do is just use rockbox and report problems or come up with suggestions on how to improve it |
| 17:23:08 | bloodskin | all ive built in vb so far is a WMP controller that launches a we radio station |
| 17:23:20 | bloodskin | and has links to the site and a mirc launcher |
| 17:23:35 | desowin | well, rockbox is coded in c |
| 17:23:41 | bloodskin | i see |
| 17:23:51 | GodEater | and assembler |
| 17:23:58 | desowin | and it's rather impossible to run VB code on music players |
| 17:24:04 | markun | desowin: I'm sure I'm not the only one who stated with basic |
| 17:24:24 | markun | learned programming I mean |
| 17:25:06 | desowin | basic was bundled in 8bit computers |
| 17:25:09 | bloodskin | have you guys seen the new patent by apple |
| 17:25:21 | pondlife | Here's a barmy idea... Supposing Rockbox could have a compressor built in... would it be possible to have a realtime expander? If so, would it be able to undo the overcompression of badly mastered music? |
| 17:25:29 | bloodskin | the one where the scroll wheel is on the screen and the back is a touch screen thing |
| 17:26:05 | desowin | such patents are crazy |
| 17:26:37 | bloodskin | it would be cool if they brought it to life |
| 17:26:42 | * | GodEater started with ZX81 basic |
| 17:26:58 | * | bloodskin started with mirc scripting. WHUT |
| 17:27:16 | * | amiconn started the same way as GodEater |
| 17:27:24 | * | pondlife too |
| 17:27:40 | * | markun with gwbasic on a 286 |
| 17:27:40 | pondlife | Ah, actually I had access to a Commodore PET about '79... |
| 17:27:53 | * | linuxstb skipped the zx81 and started with vic-20 basic |
| 17:28:00 | pondlife | But it was ZX81 that I really coded on. |
| 17:28:00 | * | GodEater saw a PET once. Never got to use it though. |
| 17:28:27 | * | GodEater went from ZX81 to an Acorn BBC Model B |
| 17:28:41 | * | markun feels young :) |
| 17:28:43 | * | linuxstb couldn't afford a BBC Model B, he only had an Electron |
| 17:29:04 | amiconn | zx81 basic -> zx spectrum (and KC85) basic (and later asm as well) |
| 17:29:32 | pondlife | ZX81 -> Spectrum -> BBC B -> IBM AT... |
| 17:29:52 | GodEater | zx81 -> BBC B -> Atari ST -> 486 |
| 17:30:08 | himmelstrutz22 | would it be stupid to buy a ipod nano 8gb? does it work well with debian/linux? even that it doesn't work with rockbox....... |
| 17:30:10 | amiconn | Bagder: r u there? |
| 17:30:21 | GodEater | odd move from spectrum to bbc b there. |
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| 17:30:44 | desowin | himmelstrutz22: I would sugest sansa e280, but it's just my opinion |
| 17:30:44 | * | amiconn moved from spectrum to amiga (500 first, later 4000) |
| 17:31:17 | * | GodEater got to play with an Archimedes at school |
| 17:31:19 | himmelstrutz22 | desowin: I've heard those displays get damaged easily.......... |
| 17:31:20 | markun | himmelstrutz22: "I can't be without ogg vorbis" :) |
| 17:31:21 | linuxstb | vic-20 -> BBC Electron -> Tatung Einstein -> 8086 PC clone -> Amiga 1200 -> 486 -> ... |
| 17:31:32 | himmelstrutz22 | markun: well... damn, I need one today! =/ |
| 17:31:45 | bloodskin | i dont think the new nanos work with anything. they are encrupted like a mo fo |
| 17:32:00 | markun | can you buy the sansa's in norway? |
| 17:32:08 | himmelstrutz22 | yes, I believe so. |
| 17:32:20 | himmelstrutz22 | but I haven't heard anything good about them. |
| 17:32:31 | himmelstrutz22 | except that rockbox supports it. |
| 17:32:41 | markun | did you hear bad things about them? |
| 17:33:03 | himmelstrutz22 | I just read a review, that was very negative. |
| 17:33:07 | bloodskin | the old nanos are real fragile. drop them once and you get a line thats about 15 pixels going through the middle of your screen |
| 17:33:30 | markun | himmelstrutz22: do you have a link? |
| 17:33:30 | bloodskin | my gf did it twice |
| 17:33:40 | bloodskin | hers and her dads |
| 17:33:50 | linuxstb | himmelstrutz22: Negative of the software, or negative of the hardware? |
| 17:33:51 | himmelstrutz22 | do I sell my soul to the devil if I buy a ipod? I have never had one before. |
| 17:34:01 | himmelstrutz22 | markun: its in swedish, still want it? |
| 17:34:05 | markun | sure |
| 17:34:16 | markun | will be good to practice :) |
| 17:34:48 | linuxstb | himmelstrutz22: If you want to use Rockbox, there are better devices than ipods to run it on. |
| 17:34:50 | himmelstrutz22 | ........and its only a user review...... well, hold on. |
| 17:35:02 | bloodskin | wmv is unsupported, correct? |
| 17:35:02 | himmelstrutz22 | linux: I understand. |
| 17:35:09 | desowin | himmelstrutz22: no, but if you're not using mac os nor windows, then Apple doesn't care about iPod users |
| 17:35:46 | bloodskin | desowin, use wine |
| 17:36:07 | himmelstrutz22 | http://se.pricerunner.com/pu/11-560796/MP3-spelare/SanDisk-Sansa-e270-6GB-Black-anvaendarrecensioner <−−- sansa |
| 17:36:11 | desowin | iTunes doesn't handle iPod connection under wine |
| 17:36:19 | markun | himmelstrutz22: maybe the Trekstor Vibez is something to consider for as well |
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| 17:36:35 | bloodskin | do you need to transfer stuff? if so use winamp |
| 17:36:40 | bloodskin | or something |
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| 17:36:59 | bloodskin | there has to be a way to use your ipod with linux |
| 17:37:12 | desowin | yes, there is |
| 17:37:31 | desowin | but IMO Apple should care about it, and not hope to someone reverse engineer their iTunesDB |
| 17:37:31 | himmelstrutz22 | markun: does it work with rockbox then? |
| 17:37:48 | bloodskin | valid point |
| 17:37:56 | markun | no, but these guys seem to love it: http://dapreview.net/news.php |
| 17:38:06 | markun | and it supports ogg vorbis |
| 17:38:18 | bloodskin | wmv is unsupported, correct? |
| 17:38:40 | markun | bloodskin: unsupported by what? |
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| 17:39:12 | bloodskin | rockbox |
| 17:39:20 | bloodskin | for the ipod video |
| 17:39:21 | markun | bloodskin: rockbox only has the mpegplayer, but you can transcode your wmv files |
| 17:39:43 | bloodskin | i read somewhere that it has an avi player too |
| 17:39:44 | bloodskin | i think |
| 17:39:52 | markun | great, but it's not true |
| 17:40:05 | himmelstrutz22 | bah. god. I think I will drop these mp3players....... for some days. there's just too many to choose from. I will go back to my old 80's cassette portable! that's real freedome. no firmware at all. |
| 17:40:25 | markun | although we could pretty easy support avi playback, as long as it contains mpeg2 with mp3 |
| 17:41:26 | amiconn | mpeg1 too, and mp1/mp2 audio |
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| 17:42:53 | bloodskin | where the hell is my mechanic? |
| 17:43:07 | bloodskin | he was supposed to be here 2 hours ago |
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| 17:45:28 | markun | bloodskin: with "avi player" you mean one which supports the xvid/divx codecs I assume? |
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| 17:47:45 | bloodskin | i guess. it just said avi/mpg playback |
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| 18:21:22 | pixelma | hmm... there is a bugreport about not being able to restart chessbox on X5 with a button press (it's right, the chosen button combos doesn't work) - but now one can restart through the new menu which has the restart option. I asked the reported if that'll do for him or whether he still wants to be able to restart with a button press but got no response. Does anyone have an opinion about it? |
| 18:22:15 | pixelma | *reporter too |
| 18:23:00 | petur | I'd close it as fixed with the note on how to restart... |
| 18:23:35 | mpeccorini | petur: this morning? it was open last night |
| 18:24:00 | * | petur re-reads what he wrote |
| 18:24:41 | * | pixelma doesn't understand too |
| 18:25:20 | mpeccorini | petur: I think this is another bug report |
| 18:25:29 | mpeccorini | FS #7116 |
| 18:25:29 | petur | s/I'd/I would |
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| 18:25:58 | mpeccorini | ohh, sorry, I'm still learning english :p |
| 18:26:39 | pixelma | ok.. have to look into a correction of the manual then :) |
| 18:26:52 | mpeccorini | pixelma: as I told you yesterday, I would even take the key mapping away from other targets |
| 18:27:08 | mpeccorini | it does happen that you restart the game by accident |
| 18:27:21 | mpeccorini | and as you can imagine, that can be pretty annoying |
| 18:29:01 | pixelma | yeah, I know. Any news on the other patch (regarding non-RTC targets)? |
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| 18:32:57 | mpeccorini | I have it done in a couple minutes |
| 18:33:09 | mpeccorini | s/I/I'll :p |
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| 18:50:23 | mpeccorini | pixelma: are you around? |
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| 18:52:27 | pixelma | yes |
| 18:53:11 | mpeccorini | are you going to change the manual so the key mapping is not shown in X5/M5? |
| 18:53:19 | mpeccorini | I have a patch for the manual too :p |
| 18:53:33 | mpeccorini | please let me know if you change it so I sync the patch |
| 18:54:05 | mpeccorini | I posted the fix for non-RTC targets BTW |
| 18:54:14 | mpeccorini | thanks for pointing that out |
| 18:58:09 | mpeccorini | BRB |
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| 19:54:29 | * | amiconn wonders how the license libffmpegflac, libmusepack, libspeex, libwavpack and tremor are under is called. Same for the license of libalac |
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| 19:55:56 | petur | regarding licenses: according to ohloh.net we are not 100% GPL ( http://www.ohloh.net/projects/3978/analyses/latest ) |
| 19:56:25 | petur | 1 file LGPL and 38 BSD |
| 19:57:30 | amiconn | sure |
| 19:57:39 | amiconn | In fact these numbers can't be correct |
| 19:57:48 | x1jmp | which targets would be affected by the configurable REC-Button? |
| 19:58:26 | amiconn | There is more than one LGPL file, since the ffmpeg flac code is all lgpl |
| 19:58:31 | Llorean | x1jmp: H1xx, H3xx, Sansa e200, I believe |
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| 20:00:02 | x1jmp | and how can I check with pluginlib_actions if this button was pressed? |
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| 20:02:44 | x1jmp | or what would be a good solution to access buttons that aren't available on all targets with the action system? |
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| 20:12:44 | zanexx297 | Hey guys, just downloaded Rockbox about 3 hours ago.Im using an iPod 80GB 5.5G,I downloaded the latest build.The problem is that it is now frozen and doesn't respond to anything I do |
| 20:14:51 | zanexx297 | I just wanted to report this,and ask for help as I've even tried plugging it back into my PC to regain control,and that didn't even work |
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| 20:16:39 | zanexx297 | I'll be right back |
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| 20:20:10 | zanexx297 | I'm back |
| 20:22:36 | zanexx297 | Guys any suggestions on how to get control of my iPod back? |
| 20:23:35 | zanexx297 | Ummmm, is anyone listening (or should I say reading)? |
| 20:26:16 | x1jmp | I don't own an Ipod but you might find an answer there http://www.google.de/search?q=ipod+reset+button |
| 20:27:38 | zanexx297 | Thanks man but the normal reset button doesnt work if you load rockbox,I know this because ive already tried |
| 20:28:15 | Llorean | Menu+Select works pretty much no matter what. |
| 20:30:03 | zanexx297 | Llorean normally you would be right but at the moment its not working, looks like im gonna have to wait till it runs flat! :( |
| 20:30:28 | Llorean | zanexx297: Have you tried the official method of doing it? |
| 20:30:37 | Llorean | Turning hold on, then off, then holding them down for ~15 seconds? |
| 20:32:42 | zanexx297 | nope, doesnt work.Not even plugging it into pc changes its state |
| 20:33:21 | Llorean | Plugging into a PC can't change its state if it's frozen. |
| 20:33:30 | zanexx297 | :-/ |
| 20:33:32 | Llorean | But Rockbox can't prevent the reset combination from working, the real one. |
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| 20:33:51 | Llorean | Which means odds are you're not doing it right, often your fingers wiggling a little bit (enough to cause a scroll) can prevent it from working. |
| 20:34:13 | zanexx297 | i just dropped it and it works again(i dropped it :( it works :) ) |
| 20:34:40 | Llorean | Well that suggests it was a hardware thing that was wrong with it, then. |
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| 20:37:13 | zanexx297 | btw i have reset it many times before and i know how to do it, but thanks anyway |
| 20:39:09 | Llorean | Many people have said that in here, but then upon trying it a few more times, find it works. So I have to say that. |
| 20:39:40 | Llorean | Most people don't even know that you *have* to do the hold on/off thing for it to work properly, because most times just holding Menu+Select will do t. |
| 20:40:24 | zanexx297 | i know they hold thing i mean it does stand in your ipod manuel and iv had my pod since christmas |
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| 20:40:34 | zanexx297 | anyway man thanks so much for the help |
| 20:40:39 | zanexx297 | i gotta run now |
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| 20:44:01 | mpeccorini | guys: is there a "complete" implementation for |
| 20:44:05 | mpeccorini | arg... |
| 20:44:17 | mpeccorini | ... implementation of malloc for plugins? |
| 20:44:53 | mpeccorini | I'm using a couple simple functions borrowed from dict.c, but it doesn't have the means to deallocate memory |
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| 20:56:28 | Nico_P | mpeccorini: I think doom has a malloc |
| 20:56:41 | mpeccorini | ok, thanks, I'll take a look at it |
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| 20:58:29 | pixelma | but doom doesn't run on all targets - in opposite to chessbox, don't know if that's important... |
| 20:59:19 | * | mpeccorini needs to remember to take other targets into account all the time |
| 20:59:52 | Nico_P | pixelma: the malloc code probably works on all targets |
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| 21:00:06 | Nico_P | mpeccorini: are you sure you need a malloc though ? |
| 21:00:19 | mpeccorini | well |
| 21:00:29 | mpeccorini | yes, I think I do |
| 21:00:37 | mpeccorini | I use it for two purposes |
| 21:01:09 | mpeccorini | 1. Load the list of games from a file. A single file can have between 1 and a couple thousand games |
| 21:01:39 | mpeccorini | 2. Keep the history of a match. A match can have between 8 or 10 and almost 100 moves |
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| 21:02:48 | mpeccorini | the list of games is used when running as a viewer so it's not needed if you're playing against the chess engine |
| 21:03:18 | mpeccorini | the chess engine on it's side, has a table of moves where it analyzes what move it should do |
| 21:03:40 | pixelma | just so you can imagine it a bit better... chessbox (in its current state) needs a bit more memory, so that it only works on the Archos targets when music is stopped... |
| 21:03:56 | mpeccorini | if I make the list of games an array I would be limiting the memory it can use to analyze moves and it could play poorly |
| 21:04:22 | Nico_P | ok I see |
| 21:04:38 | mpeccorini | pixelma: to be honest, I think I could fix that |
| 21:05:06 | mpeccorini | the guy who wrote the plugin made the table I mentioned a fixed array because there was no malloc |
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| 21:07:06 | sexten | hello. I was just wondering if there is any way to get Rockbox to use the iTunes-ratings? (I know the ratins is stored in a separate database-file). |
| 21:07:11 | johnzorn | hi, is there an easy way to find out if my ipod video is the normal one or the 64mb one? |
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| 21:09:14 | DerPapst | sexten: rockbox doesn't support the iTunesDB file |
| 21:09:41 | DerPapst | johnzorn: 60GB and 80GB ipods have 64MB ram |
| 21:09:56 | johnzorn | ok thanks |
| 21:10:23 | DerPapst | btw.. do we already know for sure if the 5.5G 30GB iPod has 32MB or 64MB? |
| 21:10:29 | sexten | yeah, but is there no way to convert the iTunesDB-file to something Rockbox can read as "score"? |
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| 21:11:36 | sexten | and where is the Rockbox-ratings/scores stored? |
| 21:11:41 | DerPapst | sexten: not unless you write it. here is a good documentation of the iTUnesDB file http://www.ipodlinux.org/ITunesDB (when the server is up again) |
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| 21:12:06 | DerPapst | or you wait long enough |
| 21:12:14 | sexten | if I had the time/knowledge I would give it a try at least:) but I'm no expert at computers/databases:( |
| 21:13:09 | DerPapst | rockbox is using its own database format. don't know where the rating is saved |
| 21:13:22 | The-Compiler | I've an idea with the image-tags in iCatcher: You can include this "button" where the codec is displayed in the backdrop, and can display the codec as text. |
| 21:13:42 | sexten | DerPapst: ok. thanks for your help:) I guess this matter have been discussed before? |
| 21:13:45 | The-Compiler | by the way: what's the difference beetween iCatcher and UniCatcher? |
| 21:15:08 | DerPapst | sexten: not that i know of (but i'm not often here though) |
| 21:15:32 | sexten | oh, ok. guess it's just me that is SO dependant of the rating-system, hehe |
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| 21:21:33 | sexten | DerPapst: do you know if iPodLinux have some kind of support for the iTunes rating system? |
| 21:22:47 | DerPapst | sexten: look what i'Ve found :-D http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ConvertiTunesDBtoTagCache |
| 21:23:01 | DerPapst | dunno if it's that what you want tough |
| 21:23:44 | DerPapst | no. afaik podzilla0 doesn't care about ratings. but i can be wrong. |
| 21:24:09 | sexten | yeah I've seen that one but I doubt it includes ratings, but I will give it a shot. thank you:) |
| 21:26:21 | sexten | heh, my DB-file is 16MB |
| 21:33:26 | sexten | yeah, it doesn't convert the ratings |
| 21:36:55 | sexten | I found an iTunes Rating Importer script for Amarok though |
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| 21:37:24 | XavierGr | what would you suggest for Rockbox compiling usage, debian stable or unstable? |
| 21:37:58 | Llorean | I think Stable had problems because of the age of some of the tools. |
| 21:38:49 | amiconn | stable should be okay now (since March) |
| 21:39:01 | amiconn | But I would use testing for normal purposes |
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| 21:39:08 | XavierGr | well stable was a problem at the time I picked it |
| 21:39:13 | XavierGr | but then I didn't know about it |
| 21:39:14 | amiconn | If you want cutting edge, use unstable |
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| 21:41:27 | amiconn | But then be prepared to run into some version and dependency conflicts every now and then |
| 21:41:55 | * | amiconn runs unstable on amd64, and testing on all x86 installations |
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| 22:38:02 | Uffish | Hey. I updated my rockbox recently and some WPSs stopped working (I'm getting the default WPS instead). I also heard something about a "new WPS parser". Where can I find out more about that? |
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| 22:38:25 | Flaffl21|Matt | Hai guyz |
| 22:38:32 | Flaffl21|Matt | Well, I have a Zune, and i put rockbox on it |
| 22:38:37 | Flaffl21|Matt | now it is truly fucked up |
| 22:39:05 | * | petur falls off his chair |
| 22:39:19 | petur | you should have put zune-linux on it |
| 22:39:25 | Flaffl21|Matt | GIZE |
| 22:39:30 | Flaffl21|Matt | I CRIED WHEN THIS HAPPENED |
| 22:39:33 | petur | rockbox doesn't work on zune |
| 22:39:33 | Flaffl21|Matt | MY ZUNE IS RUINED |
| 22:39:44 | Flaffl21|Matt | WHICH I GOT OFF OF EBAY FOR 500 $ |
| 22:39:54 | Flaffl21|Matt | off of ebay! |
| 22:39:54 | petur | stop shouting |
| 22:39:57 | Flaffl21|Matt | last week! |
| 22:40:02 | Flaffl21|Matt | i'm crying |
| 22:40:04 | Flaffl21|Matt | not shouting |
| 22:40:08 | Flaffl21|Matt | you don't even understand me |
| 22:40:23 | petur | yes, but you screwed up, not we |
| 22:40:26 | Flaffl21|Matt | yes you did |
| 22:40:29 | Flaffl21|Matt | peTOUR |
| 22:40:30 | Flaffl21|Matt | HELP ME |
| 22:40:36 | Flaffl21|Matt | my life is ruined |
| 22:40:39 | Flaffl21|Matt | thanks to your assholeness |
| 22:40:43 | petur | we do not support zune at all |
| 22:40:49 | Flaffl21|Matt | y |
| 22:40:50 | Flaffl21|Matt | y |
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| 22:41:07 | Flaffl21|Matt | well i dont support your family |
| 22:41:12 | Flaffl21|Matt | in darfur |
| 22:41:30 | * | petur summons channel op with big boot |
| 22:41:39 | | Nick Flaffl21|Matt is now known as HelpMeMyZuneRuin (n=Flaffl21@c-69-247-221-2.hsd1.ks.comcast.net) |
| 22:41:49 | HelpMeMyZuneRuin | hai gize |
| 22:41:55 | HelpMeMyZuneRuin | help me with my zune |
| 22:42:01 | HelpMeMyZuneRuin | I put rockbox on it |
| 22:42:04 | HelpMeMyZuneRuin | as i told you earlier |
| 22:42:14 | HelpMeMyZuneRuin | and the thing just gets stuck at the apple logo |
| 22:42:26 | Uffish | Matt, the guy just said they don't support Zune. What are you asking for? |
| 22:42:28 | petur | zune has no apple logo |
| 22:42:33 | HelpMeMyZuneRuin | yes it does |
| 22:42:37 | HelpMeMyZuneRuin | are you blind |
| 22:42:40 | pixelma | amiconn, scorche? |
| 22:42:40 | HelpMeMyZuneRuin | you fuck |
| 22:42:44 | HelpMeMyZuneRuin | you miserable piece of living fuck |
| 22:42:48 | HelpMeMyZuneRuin | go get some lasik surgery |
| 22:42:53 | HelpMeMyZuneRuin | for your fuck existence of eyes |
| 22:43:00 | HelpMeMyZuneRuin | ps <3 |
| 22:43:03 | HelpMeMyZuneRuin | jaykay |
| 22:43:19 | HelpMeMyZuneRuin | petour can i cut your medula oblongata |
| 22:43:20 | HelpMeMyZuneRuin | please |
| 22:43:29 | | Nick HelpMeMyZuneRuin is now known as petour (n=Flaffl21@c-69-247-221-2.hsd1.ks.comcast.net) |
| 22:43:33 | petour | kay |
| 22:43:35 | petour | hi gize |
| 22:43:43 | petour | zune has no apple logo and i take everything as serious shit |
| 22:43:49 | petour | wow zune zunezune no help4u |
| 22:43:51 | petour | y |
| 22:43:51 | petour | idk |
| 22:44:10 | * | petour slaps petour around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:44:11 | petur | Bagder? |
| 22:44:11 | petour | k petur |
| 22:44:16 | petour | y ur haxin ma naem |
| 22:44:21 | * | petour slaps petour around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:44:28 | | Nick petour is now known as puter (n=Flaffl21@c-69-247-221-2.hsd1.ks.comcast.net) |
| 22:44:29 | puter | wut |
| 22:44:32 | Uffish | So, nobody knows anything about the supposedly new WPS parser which makes some WPSs stop working? |
| 22:44:41 | | Nick puter is now known as Offish (n=Flaffl21@c-69-247-221-2.hsd1.ks.comcast.net) |
| 22:44:42 | Offish | i r gay |
| 22:45:01 | | Nick Offish is now known as pewter (n=Flaffl21@c-69-247-221-2.hsd1.ks.comcast.net) |
| 22:45:05 | pewter | o |
| 22:45:06 | petur | Uffish: did you see if the wps has been updated in the wiki? |
| 22:45:08 | pewter | theres a pewter city |
| 22:45:14 | Mode | "#rockbox +o amiconn " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 22:45:17 | pewter | pyoodur siddy |
| 22:45:19 | petur | ah |
| 22:45:19 | Llorean | Uffish: It doesn't make them stop working. They were broken beforehand, just in more subtle ways. Now they have to be syntactically correct. |
| 22:45:35 | | Nick pewter is now known as LIorean (n=Flaffl21@c-69-247-221-2.hsd1.ks.comcast.net) |
| 22:45:37 | LIorean | i have no life |
| 22:45:38 | Llorean | Uffish: All you need to do to fix them is visit the CustomWPS wiki page, and figure out where the errors are in the WPSes that don't work. |
| 22:45:43 | Uffish | Liorean: what changed? what should I look for? I don't mind fixing it myself but there's no documentation. |
| 22:45:45 | LIorean | i wish i had friends |
| 22:45:46 | LIorean | and a girlfriend |
| 22:45:50 | LIorean | to talk about rockbox with |
| 22:45:54 | LIorean | and a weiner i could see |
| 22:46:00 | LIorean | b& |
| 22:46:01 | Mode | "#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 22:46:03 | LIorean | yay |
| 22:46:09 | LIorean | WHICH ONE IS IT |
| 22:46:10 | LIorean | CAN YOU DO IT |
| 22:46:14 | LIorean | CAN YOU FACE THE TEST OF LIFE |
| 22:46:19 | Mode | "#rockbox +b *!*@c-69-247-221-2.hsd1.ks.comcast.net " by amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) |
| 22:46:27 | Kick | (#rockbox LIorean :Bagder) by Bagder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder |
| 22:46:38 | Uffish | DIAF, asshole. |
| 22:46:47 | Uffish | damn that guy was annoying. |
| 22:47:06 | Mode | "#rockbox -o Bagder " by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 22:47:20 | Mode | "#rockbox -o amiconn " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 22:47:30 | * | petur thanks Bagder |
| 22:48:02 | Uffish | LIorean: can you describe the changes? the CustomWPS page hasn't changed in years and it seems my WPS is syntactically correct. I'm using EscapePod-AA btw, if that helps anyone. |
| 22:48:31 | * | pixelma thanks teamwork ;) |
| 22:48:36 | petur | desowin: around? |
| 22:48:43 | desowin | yes |
| 22:49:20 | Llorean | Uffish: The ONLY changes were instead of ignoring bad WPSes, it doesn't load them. |
| 22:49:21 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 22:49:25 | petur | that qtscrob patch you gave me is bad, I had to remove it again to be able to scrobble more than 10 tracks |
| 22:49:25 | Llorean | Uffish: The syntax itself didn't change. |
| 22:49:46 | Llorean | Uffish: The most common are conditionals that haven't been closed with a > |
| 22:49:50 | desowin | petur: thanks |
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| 22:50:16 | pixelma | Uffish: most of the times it's unclosed conditionals or | that are used as characters which have to be escaped now - also album art tags make it fail on non album art builds |
| 22:50:26 | zylche | Guys, .aac files should be able to play in rockbox, right? |
| 22:50:48 | petur | zylche: yes |
| 22:51:00 | Uffish | Llorean/pixelma: thanks. My build has album art since other album art WPSs work, but I'll check the conditionals and the pipes. |
| 22:51:03 | zylche | I've been trying some, but they don't seem to work |
| 22:51:14 | Uffish | So the loading of the default WPS is by design now? |
| 22:51:20 | Llorean | zylche: How were they created? |
| 22:51:37 | Llorean | Uffish: If the WPS is invalid, it falls back to the default rather than displaying a possibly broken WPS, yes. |
| 22:51:38 | zylche | Wouldn't know, I'll try and get the codec info |
| 22:52:01 | Uffish | Llorean: thanks. now if only there was a WPS syntax highlighter... :) |
| 22:52:40 | petur | isn't there a wps parser debug option? |
| 22:52:43 | saratoga | zylche: .aac is a raw aac stream |
| 22:52:51 | saratoga | i don't know if rockbox can parse those |
| 22:52:57 | saratoga | they're not commonly used |
| 22:53:05 | Llorean | petur: With the UI sim, yes, you can have it give debug output |
| 22:53:16 | Llorean | I think you can also compile a standalone WPS verifier now, maybe? |
| 22:53:18 | zylche | Ahh, *looks up a way to mass convert* |
| 22:53:32 | pixelma | Uffish: if you are able to run a sim, you can start it with the −−debugwps flag (IIRC) and it'll give you some debug info |
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| 22:53:42 | saratoga | zylche: I believe foobar can put them into mp4 |
| 22:53:53 | saratoga | if not, try some other mepg4 utility like mp4box or whatever |
| 22:53:54 | zylche | foobar2000? |
| 22:53:57 | saratoga | yes |
| 22:54:05 | zylche | Arr, thar be a problem there. Linux |
| 22:54:47 | saratoga | either use wine, or one of the open source mp4 utilties then |
| 22:57:56 | jgarvey | I'm running an Archos Fm Recorder, that frequent (1-3 times per day), locks up. It's running the June 06, 2007 build. The error message that is reported is that it can't access the playlist. I can hear disk retrys. Going into the menus and trying to look at the files will also fail after the error. Powering down, and then up again, and it all works fine. It seems to happen independently of the battery level. Any ideas what's happenin |
| 22:57:56 | jgarvey | g? |
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| 22:59:39 | amiconn | jgarvey: Either one of the 2 battery cells doesn't have proper contact anymore (common problem on fmrs afaik), or the disk is going bad |
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| 23:01:01 | jgarvey | amiconn: I loaded rockbox immediately after getting it. I've replaced the battery (and wouldn't the battery monitor indicate something), and it's been this way since I got it. |
| 23:01:07 | Nico_P | Uffish: ther$ |
| 23:01:11 | Nico_P | oops |
| 23:01:20 | Nico_P | Uffish, Llorean: there is a tool to check the WPS |
| 23:01:22 | amiconn | No, the battery monitor wouldn't show it |
| 23:01:30 | amiconn | The 2 cells are connected in parallel |
| 23:01:43 | Uffish | Nico_P: where/what? |
| 23:01:45 | amiconn | If one doesn't have proper contact, 2 things happen |
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| 23:02:11 | Nico_P | zylche: there are several programs that can create an MP4 from your AAC file : MP4Box and mpeg4ip are the first that come to my mind |
| 23:02:14 | amiconn | (1) runtime is reduced to about 50% of the usual value - but only if the contact problem is permanent |
| 23:02:27 | DerPapst | damn |
| 23:02:35 | * | DerPapst has missed all the fun :-D |
| 23:02:40 | Nico_P | Uffish: you can use the sim as pixelma said, or you can build the checkwps program that's in the tools dir of the source |
| 23:03:18 | jgarvey | amiconn: I've been running it about 10 hours so far today, and the battery monitor is at 45 right now. |
| 23:03:28 | amiconn | (2) Since one cell has to power the whole thing, voltage might be unstable during high power requirements (i.e. disk spinup), which might cause effects like the one you observed |
| 23:03:36 | Uffish | Nico_P: thanks, but I'm trying to solve this without getting the source (plain lazy). The sim won't work since this is an album art build. I'm also on linux if that matters. |
| 23:03:46 | Uffish | I'll just check it by hand I guess. |
| 23:03:51 | amiconn | Hmm |
| 23:04:00 | Nico_P | Uffish: you can send it to me if you want |
| 23:04:08 | zylche | Checking dir2ogg and soundkonverter currently |
| 23:04:22 | amiconn | 10 hours doesn't sound like one cell is permanently disconnected. Note that I don't have an fmr myself so I can't tell for sure |
| 23:04:34 | amiconn | What's the hdd type? |
| 23:04:35 | Nico_P | Uffish: also what you can do is comment out the AA tags and try your WPS in the sim |
| 23:04:43 | Uffish | oh, good idea. |
| 23:05:05 | Uffish | but then I'd have to comment out any scrolling margins and the like... and it's possible the problem is there. |
| 23:05:10 | jgarvey | amiconn: It's 20GB, but I have no idea about further details.... is there a way to get it from the rockbox menus? |
| 23:05:12 | amiconn | (Info->Debug-View disk info) |
| 23:05:29 | Uffish | Anyway, how hard can it be? It's half a screen of code, I've dealt with worse things :) |
| 23:05:37 | * | amiconn somehow expects Hitachi |
| 23:05:43 | Nico_P | Uffish: oh yes if there are scrolling margins too then it might be harder to find the problem... you'd need a sim with those patches |
| 23:06:09 | Uffish | I doubt I can get one for linux and I don't want to build anything from source. I'll do it manually. |
| 23:06:22 | Nico_P | Uffish: look for spaces in conditionals, like "%?it <" |
| 23:06:34 | Nico_P | or unclosed conditionals |
| 23:06:41 | Uffish | yeah, I got that tip before :) |
| 23:07:10 | Uffish | spaces are allowed INSIDE conditionals though, right? Like %it< look! a space! |noSpaceOnThisOne> |
| 23:07:17 | jgarvey | amiconn: my disk is a Hitachi DK23DA-20 |
| 23:07:43 | Nico_P | Uffish: yes. it's just that the syntax must be respected to the letter |
| 23:07:43 | amiconn | Exactly the type I expected |
| 23:08:04 | amiconn | The Hitachi DK23DA series is a known problematic one |
| 23:08:05 | Nico_P | I know the new parser can be a bit annoying because it's very strict, but it's for the better |
| 23:08:25 | jgarvey | amiconn: problematic how? |
| 23:08:46 | * | jgarvey thinks duh it gliches |
| 23:08:54 | zylche | rockbox /can/ play ogg, right? [triple-checking] |
| 23:08:58 | Uffish | yup |
| 23:09:13 | amiconn | If something isn't perfect, like voltage fluctuating a bit much, this disk simply stops responding |
| 23:09:24 | Uffish | (woohoo! I'm also answering questions! this is like so web2.0 and shit!) |
| 23:09:33 | amiconn | ...unlike others, which just wait until conditions are okay, and then continue |
| 23:10:00 | jgarvey | amiconn: ok, that sounds right. |
| 23:10:12 | Nico_P | zylche: but I think you should try muxing your aac in an mp4... no transcoding is always a much better option |
| 23:10:25 | amiconn | Rockbox retries the request in this case, but sometimes the disk simply doesn't want to talk to rockbox again at all |
| 23:10:52 | Uffish | (some disks are such assholes) |
| 23:10:58 | saratoga | I'm just wondernig where the heck someone gets raw aac streams from |
| 23:11:35 | Uffish | I'm off. Thankyou to everybody who helped me, and goodbye. |
| 23:11:36 | jgarvey | amiconn: so the solution would be a new disk... two questions: Recomended replacement disk? and How do I format the new disk (vfat?) to put for the new system? |
| 23:11:44 | amiconn | jgarvey: If everything else is okay (like batteries + battery contacts), your only option to make your fmr behave would be to change the hdd |
| 23:11:47 | | Part Uffish |
| 23:12:21 | amiconn | You need a standard 2.5" notebook hdd (standard 44-pin parallel ata, not sata) |
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| 23:14:08 | amiconn | You can put up to 120GB in with standard rockbox. For larger ones you either can't use everything above 128GB (or 136GB as the hdd manufacturers calculate), or need to build rockbox yourself and then use the rest of the disk as a second partition with some trickery |
| 23:14:43 | jgarvey | amiconn: 40 GB would probably hold all the music I own. |
| 23:14:45 | chrisjs169 | i know there's a patch for album art and all, but is there one for 'integrated' album art (integrated into the music file) |
| 23:15:16 | amiconn | Formatting up to 32GB can be done with any system. Partitions larger than that can't be formatted as fat32 with windows xp, so you need a different method. There are several. |
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| 23:15:58 | amiconn | (1) Use win 2K or win 98 (needs drivers). (2) Use a tool on win xp like swissknife or h2format |
| 23:16:06 | amiconn | (3) use linux |
| 23:16:10 | jgarvey | amiconn: I a linux bigot |
| 23:16:19 | zylche | Yay, it's converting! |
| 23:16:26 | * | jgarvey can't type straight today |
| 23:16:28 | zylche | 8th time lucky |
| 23:17:37 | jgarvey | amiconn: So, get a nice 40GB 2.5" ata drive, format on linux with fat32, copy what's on the existing drive over, and swap drives, right? |
| 23:17:58 | amiconn | yes |
| 23:18:09 | amiconn | You can even format it in the recorder |
| 23:18:28 | chrisjs169 | am i getting confused, or did the devs find a way to get sdhc to work with the Sansa? |
| 23:19:13 | Bagder | is sdhc even for microsd? |
| 23:19:18 | saratoga | chrisjs169: my understanding is that no SDHC microsd cards are available at the moment, but that it might be possible |
| 23:19:28 | amiconn | It's just a protocol thing |
| 23:19:44 | chrisjs169 | ok |
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| 23:19:54 | Bagder | yes, but why ask about it if there are no card |
| 23:19:56 | Bagder | s |
| 23:20:06 | amiconn | I would expect that it's possible to support sdhc, but I don't know whether our driver already does that |
| 23:20:10 | sticky-note | hello you all |
| 23:20:14 | Llorean | saratoga: I've seen pictures of what are supposedly MicroSDHC cards, as in "These aren't on sale yet but coming soon" pictures. |
| 23:20:28 | Llorean | With all the usual Sandisk paint on them |
| 23:20:29 | amiconn | hrrrm |
| 23:20:31 | jgarvey | amiconn: Ok, backup the files on my Archos to my laptop, swap in a nice 40 GB drive, format the drive as fat32, restore my files, right? |
| 23:20:52 | amiconn | 8GB MMCs are supposed to be coming soon for almost a year now :( |
| 23:21:21 | jgarvey | amiconn: So the assumption here is that the archos flash provides USB access. |
| 23:21:25 | amiconn | jgarvey: Yes. This way you don't need extra adapters or such |
| 23:21:51 | amiconn | The archos flash does provide usb access. YOu can also run rockbox from flash if you want |
| 23:22:06 | amiconn | (which also provides usb access of course) |
| 23:22:09 | sticky-note | i have a q: can rocketbox support multilanguage? |
| 23:22:23 | jgarvey | amiconn: very cool. One last question. You've avoided suggesting a drive. How do a avoid buying a drive with a gotcha like my Hitachi? |
| 23:22:26 | Bagder | sticky-note: what's multilanguage? |
| 23:22:34 | jgarvey | amiconn: is there a list somewhere? |
| 23:22:55 | amiconn | The Hitachi DK23DA is the only known bad series |
| 23:23:05 | jgarvey | amiconn: ah that makes it simple. |
| 23:23:07 | sticky-note | i mean that i can see ID3 in other language than english |
| 23:23:18 | amiconn | I have such a thing lying around here (from my Studio 10) |
| 23:23:23 | Bagder | sticky-note: yes you can |
| 23:23:30 | sticky-note | like hebrew or arabic or cerilic atc |
| 23:23:38 | jgarvey | amiconn: thank you very much! |
| 23:23:42 | sticky-note | how can it be |
| 23:24:00 | sticky-note | i need to download rocketbox in my language? |
| 23:24:10 | Bagder | sticky-note: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeGuide |
| 23:24:16 | sticky-note | 10x |
| 23:24:23 | sticky-note | and one more thing |
| 23:24:44 | saratoga | is there some elegant way to see if adding 2 integers will overflow short of doing it at a higher precision and checking the result? |
| 23:25:17 | sticky-note | rocketbox doesnt fuck the original system of my mp3 player>? |
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| 23:25:39 | Llorean | Rockbox isn't in the habit of having carnal relations with anything. |
| 23:25:50 | Llorean | But yes, properly installed, it's reversible. |
| 23:27:05 | Bagder | saratoga: in assembly you often get a condition flag set when operations "overflow", but in plain C I can't think of a quick and easy way |
| 23:27:50 | * | amiconn finally notices saratoga around |
| 23:28:17 | amiconn | saratoga: If you change the fixedpoint format to 17.15, what would be the impact on final output? |
| 23:28:24 | Llorean | Couldn't you just compare the result to either of the two values added together, and see if it's less than them? (I don't know anything about this sort of operation, I'm applying untested logic) |
| 23:28:40 | amiconn | The final output is used as 16 bit samples, isn't it? |
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| 23:28:55 | saratoga | amiconn: I put it back afterwards |
| 23:29:09 | sticky-note | hey you all again |
| 23:29:23 | saratoga | so the output gets converted after the imdct, but it didn't work too well anyway |
| 23:29:34 | sticky-note | i have another q: is the rocketbox rehearsable? |
| 23:29:43 | saratoga | fixed some of the problems, but I still got half of the problem samples or so overflowing |
| 23:29:49 | amiconn | The important thing with fixedpoint conversions is, as I understand it, to use the precision you need, which isn't always the possible maximum |
| 23:30:31 | amiconn | So if 17.15 (or 18.14) yields sufficient precision, why use more? |
| 23:30:39 | saratoga | yes, i think the real problem is that the decoder isn't makeing use of precision correctly, because the fp version never exceeds 2^15 for any sample |
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| 23:31:10 | amiconn | Sometimes it also makes sense to use different formats for different variables |
| 23:31:19 | saratoga | thats what i'm thinking about |
| 23:31:43 | saratoga | it seems like i must be not using the available range efficiently at some stage to get such rounding problems |
| 23:31:44 | Bagder | sticky-note: it is called "Rockbox" nothing else. what is "rehearsable2 ? |
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| 23:33:12 | saratoga | amiconn: are you familar with any fixed point codecs? |
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| 23:34:19 | amiconn | I'm not really familiar with any codes. |
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| 23:34:45 | amiconn | I had a look at some parts of codecs, like flac (namely the lpc decoder) |
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| 23:35:02 | amiconn | But I also did some fixed point work, e.g. in mandelbrot |
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| 23:35:58 | amiconn | I also tried to get my head around the rice decoder in flac... |
| 23:36:09 | guest294800 | rehearsable i mean that i can delete it wont causes any damage to my mp3 |
| 23:36:19 | saratoga | i'm mostly wondering if they play around with the precision at times |
| 23:36:42 | saratoga | i guess MS probably designed this codec with fixed point in mind, so it seems like theres probably some solution to this that makes it all work in 32 bits |
| 23:36:59 | amiconn | I think so too |
| 23:37:05 | Bagder | guest294800: I'd call that reversable... but yes, Rockbox can be removed again. We don't give any guarantees of course. |
| 23:37:24 | guest294800 | i c |
| 23:37:28 | guest294800 | 10x anyway |
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| 23:38:15 | amiconn | Those el cheapo players available nearly everywhere usually play mp3 and wma, and I don't think these cheap chips (often sigmatel) can handle floating point |
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| 23:42:39 | saratoga | amiconn: theres actually commercial decoders which work on 24x24 bit mul units some DSPs have |
| 23:42:44 | saratoga | no idea how that works though |
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| 23:49:09 | webguest71 | Can anyone help me install Rockbox on a Toshiba Gigabeat F10? |
| 23:49:48 | saratoga | webguest71: did it the other day |
| 23:49:55 | saratoga | just follow the instructions in the manual |
| 23:50:00 | saratoga | takes about 2 minutes |
| 23:50:24 | webguest71 | Where do I extract the files to? There's only 'My Music' and 'Pictures.' |
| 23:50:54 | webguest71 | When I go to 'Toshiba Gigabeat' from My Computer, that is. |
| 23:51:01 | saratoga | webguest71: you have to show hidden files |
| 23:51:05 | saratoga | i believe this is in the manual |
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| 23:53:54 | webguest71 | How do I make those show up? |
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| 23:55:36 | saratoga | tools > options |
| 23:55:40 | saratoga | somewhere in there |
| 23:55:56 | DerPapst | if anyone is interested.. there is a bug in xobox. If you've selected 75% as difficulty you have to remove 76% of this black thingy. |
| 23:56:07 | DerPapst | in xobox.c line 788 |
| 23:56:17 | DerPapst | it should be: |
| 23:56:17 | DerPapst | if (percentage_cache > difficulty) { |
| 23:56:24 | DerPapst | *it is |
| 23:56:34 | DerPapst | and it should be: if (percentage_cache >= difficulty) { |
| 23:56:36 | DerPapst | :) |
| 23:57:47 | saratoga | DerPapst: might as well submit a patch if yo'ure fixed it |
| 23:57:52 | * | DerPapst thinks that making a bug report for that is a bit overkill ;) |
| 23:58:34 | DerPapst | saratoga: i should make a patch for that tiny change? |
| 23:58:42 | DerPapst | i can do so.... |
| 23:58:46 | Llorean | I'll fix it. |
| 23:58:53 | DerPapst | thanks :) |
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