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#rockbox log for 2007-06-09

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00:11:32DerPapst"<Llorean> He's [DerPapst] already in the credits file, in one way or another" Did i miss something?
00:11:41DerPapstgood morning btw :P
00:11:47LloreanDerPapst: Don't you qualify as the "iPodLinux team"
00:12:28DerPapstwell.. i'm just a user of iPL. but not really part of "the" iPL team. ;)
00:13:06DerPapstbut i'm fine with it :)
00:13:34LloreanDerPapst: Well, you said "I've bumped the latest Loader 2 version to 2.5" so I assumed since you seemed to have control over version numbering of a key element, you were at least in some way part of 'the team' whatever it may be.
00:13:42LloreanBesides, it was a one character change, yeah. :)
00:14:14DerPapst(actuall for such a tiny fix a mention in the credits is a bit unfair)
00:14:52LloreanThey put me in the credits when I wasn't looking before I'd even contributed any code. Heh.
00:16:59DerPapstthe thing by iPL is that only 5% can actually compile any stuff. and i submitted a patch for Loader 2 (fixing the rockbox path and bumping the version) and released compiled version including that patch. but somehow only half the patch was accepted.
00:17:20LloreanThey didn't accept the rockbox path part?
00:17:24DerPapstso in iPL's SVN tree Loader 2's version is still 2.5d6 :D
00:17:38DerPapstthat is accepted
00:18:28LloreanIs most iPL development in the modules, or whatever they're called?
00:18:32DerPapstd is for development version. and since every possible changes have been made i thought it would be ok to bump it to 2.5 ;)
00:19:14LloreanI stumbled across the page for iPL while looking for ours, and it says we make a commit about once ever 2.5 hours, on average, while iPL makes one once per 2.5 days or so.
00:19:26DerPapstyes. everybody can check in self written modules into a repository on our wiki.
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00:20:15DerPapstabout 1/3 are half finished or crash
00:20:36 Quit lostnihilist (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
00:21:02DerPapstsome people just don't understand that they only should publish their modules when they are workin on the desktop build AND the iPod ^^
00:21:45DerPapstsome are even registering a module without publishing anything. just to save the name.
00:22:05*DerPapst is happily deleting such "modules" then :D
00:22:24DerPapstsometimes superpowers are fun :)
00:26:25DerPapstbut i think the iPL project is more or less dead.
00:26:54saratogaIPL did seem rather unintersting once Rockbox was around
00:27:00DerPapstand now where the server is acting up... :-/
00:28:19DerPapstwell.. i use the OF for music and iPL for the fun of it (not gaming).
00:28:49DerPapstand i didn't own a targed to use rockbox.
00:30:22DerPapsti can now use it on my 5.5G ipod thanks to amiconn. (<−− the reason why i'm here so often lately :P)
00:34:05DerPapstgood night at all :)
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02:07:27XavierGrLOL I didn't know that there was a zune on linux page!
02:07:34XavierGrI like their planning
02:07:44XavierGrAlpha 1> Will have a graphical user interface.
02:07:53XavierGrBeta> Will utilize WiFi.
02:07:58XavierGrFinal 1.0 Release> Will be stable enough for everyday use.
02:08:15pixelmaXavierGr: it's (or should be) linux on zune ;)
02:08:20XavierGrthese guys sure know what they are doing :P
02:08:34XavierGrah yes indeed :)
02:08:54*Guile` ecoute The Who - [Who's Next #01] Baba O'Riley
02:09:06Dark_ApostropheHey guys, lu-bao is trying to decide which MP3 player to buy. Something that isn't iPod, but still pretty. Mind helping him out?
02:09:39ThundercloudAnd one which can run rockbox, or?
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02:10:24lu-baoum o.o
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02:10:45lu-baoi never said i wont have iPod xD its a beautiful design :)
02:11:17XavierGrugly if you ask me, and very crappy overall (IMHO)
02:11:24pixelmalu-bao: maybe reading the BuyersGuide in the wiki helps a bit...
02:11:47lu-baofor me i love that design cause there are no buttons with spaces its all flat :)
02:11:57lu-baopixelma buyers guide?
02:12:04Dark_ApostropheHe also found the Asono MX pretty
02:12:13Dark_ApostropheSo you know what type of design he likes
02:12:14lu-baoyeah flat also :P
02:12:17Dark_ApostropheI'm off, bye
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02:12:39lu-baoi dont like designs where buttons come out or so i love flat players with color displays :)
02:12:55pixelmaan overview of rockbox supported players and their features
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02:16:56pixelmaXavierGr: <- fun during devcon
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02:27:59linuxstbjhMikeS: I don't think you meant to say this -
02:30:08jhMikeSLOL...definitely not :)
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02:31:10jhMikeScan the build server work for more than, say 3 builds in a row any more?
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02:36:03MX-Gwell, im n00b at this
02:36:08MX-Gand my english is awfull
02:36:23MX-Gis rockbox compatible with 80 gigs ipods?
02:36:38Soapas long as your English doesn't include "lol" "tk", etc. all will be cool.
02:36:42linuxstbMX-G: Yes.
02:36:50Soapyes it works on the 80 GB iPod.
02:37:09Soapthere are scattered reports of issues, though, which appear to be unique to the 80GB
02:37:38MX-Gcould I install rockbox and original's firmware at the same time?
02:38:00Soapyes, this is the default. You would need to go out of your way to remove the original firmware.
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02:38:47MX-Gwell, how can I install rockbox?
02:39:43linuxstbMX-G: Read the manual -
02:40:03MX-Glet me see it
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02:45:12MX-Gwhich one is the lastest build for ipod video?=
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02:47:58linuxstbThe Current Build.
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02:53:20MX-Gi think i installed rockbox
02:53:35MX-Gi cant see the original firmware
02:56:12linuxstbThat's the idea...
02:56:33linuxstbBut you can dual-boot - turn the hold switch on immediately after turning your ipod on to boot the Apple firmware.
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02:58:10MX-Gcould i install linux too?
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02:59:24linuxstbIf you wanted to. See (when it's working)
03:00:52MX-Git isn't working on 80 gigs?
03:01:09MX-Gisn't it working on 80 gigs?
03:02:36linuxstbI meant that their website isn't working.
03:06:14MX-Ghow can i install it like rockbox?
03:06:18MX-Gdual boot
03:06:54LloreanHelp for installing other peoples' software should be asked of those other people.
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03:25:40MX-Gis there any plugin to read .wmv files?
03:26:03Soapis that windows movies?
03:26:18Soapit's a container, just like .avi
03:26:41Soapdifferent codecs might be inside it. It will probably never be suppoted.
03:29:02Soapyou would (most likely) have to reencode those .wmv files anyhoo to match your screen resolution...
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03:31:02MX-Gat all
03:31:11MX-Grockbox seems to be nice firmware
03:31:18MX-Gafter a few of modifications
03:31:27MX-Gthemes, fonts and those things
03:32:58MX-Ghow can i translate it to spanish?
03:35:10MX-Gand what's rockdoom?
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03:51:33Soaprockdoom is a port of the classic game _engine_ doom
03:51:43Soapinfo can be found in the manual and wiki
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04:03:00MX-Gthanks for all
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04:20:55mlw4428I've got a question with some of the themes
04:21:13mlw4428I'm using the newest build fyi on a ipod video (5th Gen)
04:21:33mlw4428My question is that some of the themes on the site don't look like they should on my ipod
04:22:27mlw4428For example with the Black AA theme the big blue play button (and that "media center" type display doesn't show)
04:22:37mlw4428*Black Glass AA
04:23:05mlw4428All I see is the blackdrop and some bars that move while the music is playing (like a visualizer of sorts)
04:23:10mlw4428Can anyone help?
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04:24:13mlw44280sorry about that
04:24:29mlw44280now could anyone help with my problem?
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04:31:23saratogado you have whatever random patches that WPS requires?
04:35:50mlw44280if they weren't included with the latest build
04:36:11mlw44280where do you go for those?
04:37:17mlw44280I see two different types of patches
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04:37:33mlw44280and Rasher's
04:37:36mlw44280which do I need?
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04:37:53mlw44280ah i see sim is a simulator
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05:04:05kohlmanNEED HELP!!
05:04:28TrueJournalsWITH WHAT!!
05:04:43kohlmani have a 6GB iriver and i am trying to intall rockbox
05:04:50TrueJournalsiriver H10?
05:05:04TrueJournalsWhat problem are you having?
05:05:28kohlmanand i have followed instructions but when i turn it on rockbox dosnt boot
05:05:47TrueJournalsDoes the original firmware boot?
05:06:18kohlmancan u help?
05:06:42TrueJournalsDid you replace the H10.mi4 file in the System directory of your H10 with the rockbox bootloader?
05:07:05kohlmanno it said to rename it to OF.mi4
05:07:25TrueJournalsYou have to rename the ORIGINAL H10.mi4 to OF.mi4
05:07:35TrueJournalskeep the rockbox bootloader named H10.mi4
05:07:46kohlmani will try
05:07:52TrueJournalsWell, glad it was easy to fix ;-)
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05:11:07kohlmannow it wont boot
05:11:19TrueJournalsDoes it show the blue iriver screen?
05:12:11kohlmanya then it say file not found
05:12:43kohlmanemergency connect still works
05:12:52TrueJournalsmake sure it's named H10.mi4
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05:13:00TrueJournalsand it's in the System folder...
05:13:22kohlmanmi4 or m14?
05:14:10kohlmani will try...
05:14:17TrueJournalsLuckily, if you mess things up when installing on the H10, it's not that big of a deal :-)
05:14:51kohlmangainhappened ah
05:15:29TrueJournalsWhat OS are you using?
05:15:43TrueJournalsOperating System
05:15:50TrueJournalsWindows? Mac? Linux?
05:16:06kohlmanshould i name what i got in everything?
05:16:18TrueJournalsJust what Operating System is on your computer
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05:17:16kohlmanssorry something went wrong
05:17:22TrueJournalsThat's OK
05:17:25kohlmansk ya i am using UMS
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05:17:51TrueJournalsUMS is not an Operating System, it's the type of protocol to connect devices...
05:17:56kohlmansand on the root i got .rockbox and all the other stuff
05:18:05kohlmansthen in system i got...
05:18:31kohlmansH10.mi4 and Of.mi4
05:18:45kohlmansand all the other stuff
05:19:07kohlmansso does anythiing seem wrong
05:19:23TrueJournalstry booting it up again
05:19:59TrueJournalsWhich H10.mi4 did you download? The one for UMS devices or the one for MTP?
05:20:38TrueJournalsYou probably need the MTP one
05:20:58TrueJournalsreplace your H10.mi4 in your System folder with the one at
05:21:18kohlmansi have a 6GB but that works with 5gb firmware right?
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05:21:37TrueJournals6GB and 5GB models are exactly the same except for the harddrive
05:21:43kohlmansshould i not do the UMS trick then
05:22:21TrueJournalsno as in you should do the UMS trick to connect your H10
05:24:25kohlmanshmm i took the rockbocks of and is wont boot
05:25:00TrueJournalsIf you are going to remove rockbox, you will need to rename OF.mi4 to H10.mi4
05:25:08kohlmansi did
05:25:40TrueJournalsThen you'll need to use iriver's recovery tool
05:25:46kohlmanswhats that?
05:25:55kohlmanswhere do i get it?
05:27:06TrueJournalsTry to be patient online... it didn't even take me a minute to get that link
05:29:24kohlmansim just worried
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05:32:03kohlmansnow its updating
05:32:18kohlmansshould i try again
05:32:22TrueJournalsNo problem
05:32:28TrueJournalsTry to install rockbox again?
05:32:32TrueJournalsIf you want...
05:32:52kohlmanswhat is so good about it on an irver?
05:33:15kohlmansis it worth it?
05:33:31TrueJournalsIt can play movies, play games, play lossless audio formats... the while playing screen (WPS) is customizeable... there's a bunch of audio things you can play with
05:33:35TrueJournalsI think it's worth it...
05:34:01kohlmansk can u give me a walk through?
05:34:11scorchekohlmans: the manual can
05:34:23kohlmansit briked my iriver
05:34:26kohlmanswell i did
05:34:34TrueJournalsyou did not brick it
05:34:35kohlmanswell close
05:34:39TrueJournalsNot even
05:34:46TrueJournalsIt's VERY hard to brick an iriver H10
05:34:46kohlmanssorry im used to psp
05:34:58scorchethere is no "almost bricked it" either did or didnt...
05:34:59kohlmanscan u help me?
05:35:16kohlmansim tryin again
05:35:17scorchejust follow the manual exactly
05:35:23kohlmansi did!
05:35:32TrueJournalsWell, no, you really didn't...
05:35:41scorcheif it didnt work, you didnt
05:35:46kohlmansi i will try again
05:35:54TrueJournalsIf you have a question about any step, just ask
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05:36:12kohlmansk also dosnt matter my version does it?
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05:36:36kohlmanswhats the best rockbox to get?
05:36:47TrueJournalsWhen you plugged the H10 into the computer when using the original firmware, did it show up as a media device, or an external harddrive?
05:37:08kohlmansum donno
05:37:11kohlmansi will try
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05:37:36TrueJournalsIf it shows up as a media device, you have a MTP player, if it shows up as an external harddrive, you have a UMS device
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05:38:00TrueJournalsThere are no "versions" of rockbox, it's just that the player works slightly differently, so the code has to account for that
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05:38:11kohlmansi think mtp
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05:38:19TrueJournalsThen get the MTP bootloader
05:38:24TrueJournalsSorry, but I have to go
05:38:27TrueJournalsGood luck!
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05:45:12kohlmans so now where do i put songs? still use windows media player?
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05:52:58webguest09i was wondering if i can put videos on my iriver H10
05:53:05webguest09if i have rockbox
05:53:52webguest09anyone there
05:54:25webguest09i need help
05:55:20webguest09r u kidding me
05:55:27scorchei am busy doing other things atm...please have some patience and read the IRC guidelines linked in the topic
05:55:42webguest09k but i need help
05:55:54webguest09its a simple question
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05:56:32webguest09can u say yes or no if i even can put videos on
05:56:51scorcheam i supposed to drop whatever i am doing to help you?...and please do read the guidelines...if you follow them, people will be more willing to help you
05:56:54scorcheyes you can
05:57:02webguest09ok what format
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05:57:20scorcheplease read the is all answered there...
05:57:24webguest09mp4 or avi or what
05:57:33webguest09i looked i cant find it
05:57:58webguest09can u help
05:58:43tw2113i'm trying to install it, and i thought all went well, but my 4g ipod won't boot up with rockbox, it keeps going to apple
05:58:50scorchelast warning...i was typing out a response to you, but if you cant even wait for me to type it, then i am not going to bother helping
05:59:06webguest09ok i will wait
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05:59:29tw2113i'll hold for the moment
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06:00:03scorchetw2113: that wasnt directed at you...does it boot into the apple firmware then?
06:00:19tw2113i know it wasn't at me, but i came in after him
06:00:43tw2113yeah, it goes to apple firmware, and i'm on linux
06:00:43scorchethis isnt a queue ;)
06:00:52scorchedid you install the bootloader?
06:01:11tw2113.rockbox put on root ipod folder
06:01:18webguest09i will wait i guess
06:01:20scorchethat is not the bootloader
06:01:33tw2113might be where i went wrong
06:01:44tw2113do i need to copy what's in that folder into my ipod?
06:01:44scorchefollow the instructions in the manual, and things will work a lot better ;)
06:01:52tw2113i thought i did :D
06:01:58webguest09kan u help me now?
06:02:30scorchewell, there is the "installing the firmware" section, and the "installing the bootloader" sounds as if you only did the first
06:02:31tw2113i'll hang out in here while i try again
06:02:50webguest09k scorche can u help me now
06:03:45webguest09cuz i gotta go soon
06:04:31scorchepatience....go to the wiki page PluginMpegplayer
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06:07:01tw2113brb, restarting since linux doesn't quite like mounting me all the time
06:07:02webguest09I HAVE TO GO NOW
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06:07:23webguest09ARG NOW I WILL NEVER NO
06:07:41scorchewebguest09: i just gave you the stop violating the guidelines
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06:07:59*scorche facepalms
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06:10:41tw2113i'm back
06:13:12tw2113quick question, is it better to do command line to extract the firmware? or is GUI copy/paste or extract-to fine?
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06:14:22tw2113wb scorche
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06:16:17tw2113ok, last time, i took the build zip file, extracted the files, and copied them onto the ipod
06:16:32tw2113this time I tried extracting them directly to the ipod
06:17:02scorche`that is still the installing the firmware step....go to the next step which is "installing the bootloader"
06:17:03tw2113the manual mentions something about a -1 error when starting rockbox
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06:17:30tw2113technically i did that step as well already, but was going backwards to cover my tracks and double check
06:18:10scorche`if it was going directly to the apple firmware, then you did something on that step incorrectly
06:19:07tw2113got it this time
06:20:22tw2113the nice thing is that i'll be able to return to apple boot if needbe
06:20:40tw2113but i'd like to support ogg
06:20:57scorche`read the FAQ ;)
06:21:21tw2113i will if the need arises. now to start using this setup :D
06:22:05scorche`(it tells you how to boot back into apple firmware)
06:22:51tw2113maybe it won't freeze up so much with rockbox
06:23:19tw2113ooh i like the battery and time left info
06:23:40scorche`dont trust the time left ;)
06:24:20tw2113percentage good to go though?
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06:32:05tw2113thanks for the help
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06:41:33kohlmani need some help
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06:43:22kohlmani have an iriver H10 with rockbox installed and I HAVE READ THE MANUAL but still could not find out the format a video needs to be in or how to put it on and where so if anyone could answer it could be great
06:43:43scorche[22:04:23] <scorche> patience....go to the wiki page PluginMpegplayer
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06:45:02scorchebecause your question is answered there...
06:45:21kohlmanand how to put a backdroup on
06:45:32scorchethat is answered in the manual
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06:46:09kohlmanthanks Jurrie! u r great
06:46:47kohlmano do i need to download this or was it included?
06:47:00scorcheall plugins are included
06:47:25kohlmanso i dont need to download it because i have it included in rockbox?
06:47:57jurriejust use Rockbox' Files utility to point to a video file and select it
06:48:18jurriethe same thing for jpegs, chip-8 files, etc
06:48:30kohlmanso no need to downlod anything??
06:48:48kohlmannever mind it says
06:48:49scorchehe is saying that you just need to "click" on the file
06:48:59kohlmanthanks guys
06:49:36kohlmanarg not mpeg-4
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06:50:08scorchejurrie: there is no "files utility"...just the file browser.....using the other term can be confusing for people
06:50:29kohlmanso how do i put em on? using windows media player to sync or what?
06:50:43scorchejust drag and drop like you do anything else
06:51:05jurriescorche: sorry
06:51:28kohlmanso use windows media playe
06:51:57jurrieprobably not... just drag-and-drop, or copy from the command line
06:52:14jurrieplace the content anywhere on the player that you like
06:52:17kohlmanso like how to put on games
06:52:28jurriewhich games?
06:52:39jurrie"native" games are plugins and should already be there
06:52:45jurriechip-8 can go anywhere as well
06:52:58scorcheread the manual and/or the related wiki page about it
06:53:02kohlmanok so i could put it on the root and it would be found
06:53:20jurrieuse a file extension of .ch8 to play them by selectig them from teh File Browser
06:53:31kohlmani mean videos
06:53:46kohlmani could put them on the root and i could still play em
06:53:55jurrietheoretically... I wouldn't
06:54:02scorchekohlman: it doesnt need to be just play it
06:54:11scorcheplease stop repeating questions..
06:54:27kohlmanwhere do i put the videos then
06:54:49jurriemost players/people will have separate root directories for music, videos, games, pictures, etc.
06:54:50kohlmando i sync or put it on using UMS trick
06:54:55jurriejust copy them
06:55:00kohlmanok thanks!!!
06:55:05scorcheplease...if you are going to be asking us questions, *listen to us when we answer you*
06:55:33kohlmanTHANKS JURRIE....
06:57:55kohlmannot u schorche
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06:59:14jurriesomething tells me he'll be back in 15 minutes with the same questions
06:59:51scorchemeh...i was going to say something, but it is better to hold one's tongue in some cases
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07:01:13scorchei gave him way more chances with violations than i should have though...
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07:04:29jurrieI know.... sometimes things do appear strict here to newcomers. On the other hand, I prefer the more factual/accurate style required in the forums... things can get out of control quickly if you let things go
07:05:13scorchewe have reasons for that though...which is why i say to read the link before speaking...unfortunately, some people just cant be "bothered" to do so
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07:08:39jurriethis was a good week for Rockbox users on Sansa hardware.... I haven't had a single screen meltdown since installing a build from June 6th, radio now works, recording works
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07:32:22daniel1234I want to write a patch to make the voice read the time remaining under the info screen. What is the best way to do this?
07:34:01midkaydaniel1234: i don't know much about the voicing code, but it needs pointing out that you should know how to program in C as well as compile rockbox yourself before you can even get started.
07:34:35Slowking_ManHmm, the latest H10 build doesn't seem to like vorbis
07:34:37daniel1234I can compile rockbox but I can't write in c so do you know anywhere I can learn c from?
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07:36:42tw2113scorche, you there still?
07:36:57scorchei am here and there
07:37:27tw2113weird issue
07:37:41tw2113i'm trying to upload ogg files through amarok, and it's saying that it's not supported
07:37:57tw2113"track not playable on media device"
07:39:02scorchewell, that is an amarok issue, and not a rockbox related one...see if there is a way to make it use regular copying instead of "ipod mode" or whatever it is in....i really have no clue about amarok though, and it is better asked somewhere else
07:39:24krazykittw2113, make sure it's set up as a "generic media device" or whatever amarok is calling it these days
07:39:27daniel1234I can't build voice files with reed voice from the ibm via voice tts synth it just makes about 420 mp3 files but doesn't make the english.voice file. Ms SAPI5 voices work does anyone know what I should try?
07:40:00tw2113stale and orphened?
07:41:38tw2113found it
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07:42:31tw2113kit, any specific folder to store them?
07:43:02tw2113or just anywhere on the media
07:43:22krazykittw2113, no, not really. i always put it in /gigabeat/music
07:43:36krazykitwhatever your player is instead of /gigabeat, i suppose
07:43:57krazykitbut i have a seperate folder for music, playlists, and video
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07:44:49tw2113well, it'll be a learning process for me i suppose
07:45:09krazykiti've redone my folder structure 3 times so far >_>
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07:55:33midkaysorry, daniel1234, i know very little about voice operation/file building/coding.. and the channel's rather dead at the moment :)
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09:29:17jhMikeSyes and on my way to sleep soon
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10:27:02JdGordonbuild dtable still screwed?
10:27:42jhMikeSit's all screwed...what's with all the stuck builds lately? waaay more than normal.
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10:29:00austriancoderjhMikeS: nice work
10:29:27jhMikeSthe latest e200 additions? thanks.
10:30:16jhMikeSor the stuck build? :)
10:30:25austriancoderboth ;)
10:31:08linuxstbIs the only way to access members of a struct in a .S asm file to hard-code the offsets?
10:32:12jhMikeSafaik ... I never did find any other way but maybe I didn't look hard enough
10:32:40linuxstbI assume the assembler doesn't know C, so would expect there to be no other way.
10:35:39jhMikeSI'm not sure why it couldn't at least parse some declaration which would be a nice feature.
10:39:18n1sjhMikeS: iirc you said sometime that the Tremor coldfire asm macros could be helped a bit by avoiding emac stalls, how would one do that, (I have been looking through the programmers manual and other documentation but haven't found anything)
10:40:36jhMikeSdo something useful between a mac and the mov(clr) accx, rx...two instructions or so
10:41:00n1shmmm, ok, seems simple enough
10:42:15jhMikeSone thing is that it's between the mac and any mov(clr) no matter if the particular accumulator was just used or not
10:43:55JdGordonamiconn: you round?
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10:59:27n1shmmm, most of these are basically only mac and movclr... ah well lets' test it out :-)
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11:09:13*JdGordon found an interesting bug with the sdcard patch
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11:12:44jhMikeSn1s: I think the best route would be to redo mdct.c especially for coldfire which would appear to allow loading and some other stuff to be done inparallel
11:13:44n1sjhMikeS: that is currently way over my head :-) guess I will spend some time with these programming mauals an rainy days during the summer :-)
11:17:22webguest89hey guys? does one of you is working on the OTGUSB?
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11:20:04austriancoderwebguest89: yep... At the moment only usb device.. to access files on pp based targets working
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11:21:56JdGordonanyone have any ideas how to add "d card" supprot to the sim?
11:22:06JdGordonsd card*
11:22:21leftrightJdGordon: there's a interesting bug for you #7274
11:23:51JdGordonme confused.... interesting
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11:25:16JdGordonok, reads the last comments.. guess we can fix that :p
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11:31:52leftrightJdGordon, thanks
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11:36:53webguest89you know when will the otg be done?
11:39:47amiconnJdGordon: sort of
11:40:30JdGordonamiconn: hey, quick bug again about the sdcard patch.. which part of the mmc cde was being replicated which sint needed? (trying t get it t a commitable state)
11:41:24amiconnOn Ondio, the CPU uses (has to use) the spi protocol to access the mmc, while the usb-mmc bridge uses the mmc protocol
11:41:44amiconnA card can be switched from mmc mode to spi mode, but switching back requires a power cycle
11:41:48*JdGordon back in 5
11:41:58JdGordonsoz :)
11:42:10amiconnSince the Ondio has no transistor to cut power, it is required to pull the card when connecting usb
11:42:22amiconnThis is the 'Please remove inserted MMC' thing.
11:42:31amiconnI don't think this is necessary on sansa
11:43:01amiconnOnce usb is connected, it's possible to put back the mmc
11:43:42amiconnWith no mmc plugged, you can access the internal flash of the ondio from pc, plugging an MMC switches to that
11:44:40amiconnRockbox (and the of) handles hot plug and hot unplug in this case (the pc will 'see' the usb msd vanish for ~0.5 seconds, then reappear with the new volume)
11:45:01markunwebguest89: it's impossible to guess
11:45:09markunor estimate
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11:46:42markunn1s: -O3 for Tremor didn't help for ARM based targets?
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11:47:07amiconnmarkun: It's even slower with -O3 afaiu
11:47:24kernelsenseihas the rockbox file (for h300) moved ? I unzipped the archive and I can't find the /rockbox bin
11:47:57markunkernelsensei: yes, it was moved to .rockbox/
11:48:09n1smarkun: I coudn't concince anyone to test :-) but as amiconn said -O3 tends to be slower at least on PP based players, feel free to test for gigabeat though :-)
11:48:22Grim_Fandangoi have a question concerning ipodlinux and rockbox (people over at ipodlinux have the server screwed)
11:48:27austriancoderwebguest89: when its done...
11:48:32amiconnIt's probably a memory bandwidth thing
11:48:36kernelsenseimarkun: will the bootloader find the file ? What if I have the old rockbox bin in / ?
11:48:50amiconnn1s: Do we have a standard test track now?
11:49:07Grim_Fandangoi've installed ipodlinux on my 3rd gen with the installer and i wanted to install rockbox too
11:49:12n1samiconn: not, that I know of...
11:49:18markunkernelsensei: which player do you have?
11:49:22n1swe really should tho...
11:49:26kernelsenseimarkun: h340
11:49:30*amiconn doesn't want to start extensive tests until we have that
11:49:35Grim_Fandangoi've found out that i need loader 2.5 because auto-detection doesn't work with 2.4
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11:49:51Grim_Fandangohow can i update to loader 2.5?
11:49:55markunkernelsensei: check if you have the latest bootloader, otherwise it's a good idea to update
11:50:09markunand it will look for the one in .rockbox/ first
11:50:15GodEater_lol @ zunelinux post in forums
11:50:23markunso you will have no problems with the file in the root (which you can remove)
11:50:45scorcheoh no...
11:51:20Grim_Fandangocan anybody help?
11:51:24scorcheshould we tell him about how amusing we thingk he is? =P
11:51:25amiconnn1s: If we agree on a test track, I intend to run tests on all my targets, trying all formats I can encode to
11:51:34GodEater_Grim_Fandango: we don't support it here - try #ipodlinux
11:51:43Grim_Fandangoi know, but the server is down
11:51:54GodEater_scorche: I'm trying really hard not to :)
11:51:57markunGrim_Fandango: I have no clue how to install it, sorry
11:52:07GodEater_Grim_Fandango: so try #ipodlinux
11:52:08kernelsenseimarkun: I've the version 5
11:52:16amiconnAre there free encoders for ac3, aac and alac?
11:52:33Grim_Fandangoand i think "der papst" made the new loader
11:52:34scorcheGodEater: just a subtle "search for zunelinux" will do =P
11:52:36n1samiconn, yes, that would be very good, I'll try to have a look for a good track that we can use (i.e. in public domain) next week
11:52:40amiconnkernelsensei: h300 bootloader v5 is new enough
11:52:51GodEater_scorche: hehehe - it's sooooo tempting
11:53:24GodEater_didn't Bagder post an offer of help AGES ago on their site that they ignored / ridiculed ?
11:53:56markunGodEater_: same for me and toffe
11:54:03markunand zunepet
11:54:20GodEater_I shall wait and see who tells him to stuff off first then ;)
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11:55:22n1samiconn: you can get the itunes encoders free (as in beer) i think (should handle both aac and alac)
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11:55:39*amiconn won't install itunes for sure
11:56:08amiconnWell, at least not directly. Maybe in a vm that can be scrapped afterwards
11:56:13kernelsenseiamiconn: The bootloader found the iriver file after a reboot, thanks
11:56:14*JdGordon back
11:56:34Grim_Fandangothat's why i like rockbox...the site always works, there is enough documentation do install all things,,,the guys over at ipodlinux seem to be very selfish
11:57:14GodEater_Grim_Fandango: in that case - stick to using the rockbox bootloader, and ditch loader2, that way you can be guaranteed of support
11:57:15JdGordonamiconn: ok, ta
11:58:05n1samiconn: apparently there's also the faac encoder, might have the same licensing problems as faad2 though
11:58:23Grim_Fandangoyeah...but do i have the info to uninstall it? no...
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12:01:35amiconnn1s: We also need to agree on some common parameters. My suggestion for the lossy codecs is to have 2 versions of the track: one using the maximum allowed bitrate (or the common supported maximum if there is no defined one), and a common bitrate that roughly equivalent in quality across codecs
12:02:21amiconnFor lossless encoders I'd just just maximum compression, unless compression level causes significant differences in decoding speed, like with ape
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12:05:38n1samiconn: I agree, that sounds like a good plan
12:09:55GodEater_Grim_Fandango: you can use ipodpatcher to uninstall loader2 and then to install the rockbox bootloader instead
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12:19:15*linuxstb suspects a batch mode for test_codec would be useful - testing all files in a directory and writing a log file.
12:19:58GodEater_right - got to pop out, later chaps
12:20:09n1slinuxstb: very :-)
12:20:38Grim_FandangoGodEater: really? does the rockbox ipodpatcher uninstall loader2?
12:21:01markungreat podcast :)
12:21:17scorchemarkun: a but slow =P
12:22:29scorchethat site is such a source of amusement....i spent the last 20 min giggling...
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12:22:48linuxstbamiconn: The Nero AAC encoder is free (as in beer). IIRC, it's just a command-line .exe distributed in a zip, so very unintrusive to install.
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12:24:37markunscorche: well, at least they are past the biggest obstacle: choosing a linux distro
12:25:27scorcheapparently sourceforge hasnt been the "developer magnet" they thought it would be...hardly their fault
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12:28:06markunhe's looking for about 5 dead zunes to send to various universities so 'they' can crack the encryption for him, right?
12:28:21Grim_Fandangothanks for your help guys
12:28:46linuxstbmarkun: Have you heard any news about the Gigabeat S hacking recently?
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12:29:03markunlinuxstb: not in the last few days
12:29:03JdGordonmarkun: no... they are gonna use a wire connction to bypass the encryptio now...
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12:34:28markunJdGordon: what do you mean?
12:34:40markunThe JTAG connector?
12:34:54JdGordonthat mp3 said they rekon they can bypass the encryption with a wire and 1 or 2 solder joints :)
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12:37:45XavierGrand what about others that will want to try it? (if they ever make it work of course)
12:37:54XavierGrthey will have to modify their zune too?
12:38:15JdGordonlooks like it
12:38:22XavierGrsilly people...
12:38:25JdGordondoes anyone take them seriously anymore though?
12:38:53XavierGrno, but it is fun to read what they are talking about
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12:53:23merbananXavierGr: I like their release plan though ->
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13:02:32markunmerbanan: it's good that the first alpha will have a graphical interface!
13:02:45markunare they past the 'pre-alpha' stage yet?
13:03:17JdGordontheir svn repo looks good... nothing commited yet :)
13:03:31markunI wonder what stage rockbox is in
13:03:55markunpost-alpha I would say
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13:05:33markunJdGordon: don't you hate those 'realists'?
13:06:24JdGordonits all just a scam to make money off dead zunes
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13:46:20XavierGrmerbanan: exactly the same thing I said yesterday :P
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14:03:02JdGordondoes anyone know where the fat driver actually accesses the disk?
14:03:20JdGordonI tihnik there _may_ be a bug with mappin he volume number to a disk
14:03:45God_Eater*wanders into mid conversion* −− can you see the calls to ata_read / ata_write ?
14:03:59JdGordonthats what im lookin for...
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14:04:41JdGordonhmm, ok, may have found it
14:07:14God_EaterI've only just realised I can't spell conversation apparently =/
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14:08:18markundoes anyone know the name of the connector on the non-ZIF HDDs from Toshiba?
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14:08:56JdGordonOK, well, I'm slightly confused... does the rockbox FAT driver only allow one volume to actualy be mounted at any one time? there is a fat_bpb->drive variable which is passed around everywhere, but isonly updated on fat_mount
14:11:02*JdGordon doubts he will get an answer before monday :(
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14:17:18JdGordonamiconn: ping?
14:18:41JdGordonhmm... maybe not
14:18:56DomonokyJdGordon: there is multivolume support in rockbox, so somehow it should be possible to mount 2 volumes :-)
14:19:15JdGordonI know... but on seperate disks....
14:19:21*JdGordon slowly following the code
14:20:23JdGordonalthough, it seems to only mount the first on a disk?
14:20:24Avehi.. I'm getting lots of "usb 4-4: device descriptor read/64, error -71" while inserting ipod nano
14:20:36AveI thought it was faulty cable so I got a new one but no dice
14:20:42Aveit mounts maybe 1 time out of 20
14:21:17Aveanyone seen this happen?
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14:23:20Aveif I boot into apple "firmware" it mounts perfectly every time
14:24:24JdGordonyou cant mount the ipod at all if rockbox is running... it reboots into diskmode if you try
14:25:01AveI can, by holding the "menu" key
14:25:18Avethen the device merely starts to recharge the battery
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14:25:45AveI mean err, of course I can't mount it, but this is something else al right
14:26:30Avethat aside, I just keep getting those error and it doesnt go into the diskmode
14:26:36dionoeaAve: try rmmod ehci-hcd
14:26:45Aveehci works for other devices..
14:27:01dionoeait doesn't always work for me with the ipod in recovery mode
14:27:02Avemaybe rockbox-side ehci is buddy?
14:27:07dionoea(on one of my laptops)
14:27:07Avebuggy even
14:27:19dionoearockbox doesn't have any usb support yet on iPods
14:27:22dionoeaso it can't be buggy
14:27:26AveJun 9 15:24:28 localhost kernel: [71836.576000] usb 4-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 81
14:27:30Avesays apple
14:27:50dionoeathat's not in recovery mode is it ?
14:27:59Aveno its running the regular ipod interface
14:28:10dionoeaok, then what i said still holds then
14:28:12AveI'm trying new svn rockbox version for kicks
14:28:36Avehow does rb detect usb connect?
14:29:14dionoeaI don't know ... but it shouldn't detect any usb connection on your computer until rockbox triggers a reboot into the recovery mode
14:29:49Avewhich you can avoid by pressing the menu while connecting cable
14:30:43Aveyou see, my battery was running flat and I thought I'll do just that and keep listening while it recharges, but lo and behold, after ~20 seconds or so it suddendly jumps into diskmode without me touching anything
14:31:02Aveits like the kernel keeps trying to probe the usb bus due to these errors and finally gets thru or something
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14:40:45JdGordonXavierGr: you have an ondio dont you?
14:46:24Aveok I think I get it.. when I plug in the device, kernel tries to talk with the device, but it doesnt work until ipod boots into diskmode
14:46:56Aveand for SOME reason, if I supress the diskmode boot with menu key, kernel keeps resetting the usb bus or something until the device eventually plops into diskmode
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14:48:28leftrightthe build table has stalled, anyone care to give it a bump
14:50:10leftrightare the downloads current irrespective of the build table ?.
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14:51:07JdGordononly Bagder linusN and zagor can kick the build server :(
14:51:11JdGordonand they arnt around
14:51:12amiconnJdGordon: Rockbox does support multiple volumes if enabled in the config. And they don't need to be located on different drives; multivolume support was tested on a hdd with multiple partitions
14:51:16austriancoderhow can i register an irq handler for a device?
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14:52:04JdGordonamiconn: yeah, I got confused by the code, I understand the volume->drive mappin now... still ver lost as to my bug
14:52:11JdGordonhave you got an ondio + mmc handy?
14:52:35JdGordonaustriancoder: its very simple :) the button code is a good enough example
14:53:05JdGordonif you have jhMikeS around to slap you into the right direction its a bonus :)
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14:54:17austriancoderJdGordon: simple... hmmm.. but will ask jsMikeS
14:54:24austriancoderjhMikeS: ping
14:54:30JdGordonhe's asleep i tihnk
14:54:44JdGordonI can try to help.. I got em working on friday
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14:55:45JdGordonaustriancoder: just registering the handler? or setting up the irq for a set of bits?
14:57:35austriancoderJdGordon: at the moment i am looking how to check if sansas usb chip has "send" an interrupt
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14:58:50JdGordonthis is what was needed to get the irq goin for the sd card... it shuold be simple enough to copy
14:59:23JdGordonjust make sure you change the GPIO port t the right one :p /me forgot a few times ...
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15:05:14austriancoderJdGordon: Will try it..
15:05:28*JdGordon not going anywhere for a while if you get stuck
15:10:53JdGordonft_load() is called 3 times when "files" is enetered the first time after a boot!
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15:17:51*JdGordon found a _big_ file tree bug!
15:18:10JdGordonhmm... or not
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15:19:09jac0bI can't get the bookmark feature to work on the sansa but it works in the sim
15:20:10jac0banyone else having this problem?
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15:21:53JdGordonjac0b: not work as in the item isnt in the menu?
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15:25:14jac0bno its there but when you press the select button to create the bookmark nothing happens
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15:25:57PaulJam_JdGordon: concerning FS #7274, are you sure this is fixed? at least in the h300 uisim it is still reproduceable.
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15:27:19JdGordon:'( really?
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15:27:41CillianAnybody know the spec of the .bmark file format? I.e. how to interpret it?
15:27:49JdGordonI was working off the e200 sim and it was definalty working
15:29:11jac0bjdgordon: did you try it on the sansa?
15:29:35JdGordonjac0b: no, my sansa is bus atm.. im pretty sure select is not the button to crate bmrks though
15:30:21jac0bthe middle button is not the button to create bookmarks?
15:30:29jac0bwhich is it then
15:30:44CillianYou hold select, then go to bookmarks, then create
15:30:46CillianOn the ipod, anyway
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15:32:33jac0bI just tried every button to create a bookmark and still nothing
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15:34:34Soap<amiconn> For lossless encoders I'd just just maximum compression, unless compression level causes significant differences in decoding speed, like with ape
15:35:24SoapThe issue there, is that people use APE mostly because it compacts tighter than FLAC. So APE's maximum compression level is what is seen most often in the real-world.
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15:37:22webguest92hey guys, i thnik ive found a bug on the sansa, i checked FS but couldnt find it
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15:38:52JdGordonwelll spit it out....!
15:39:38webguest92when i use oscilloscope
15:39:55webguest92and swtich back to the main menu i get all junk or sometimes menu entries missing
15:40:09webguest92once i got this whole page of greek letters
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15:42:43Cillianwebguest92: I assume there is a buffer overflow of some kind going on
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15:43:28webguest92kk i dont have a FS account, so can someone report it for me?
15:43:58TrueJournalsWhy not just create a FS account?
15:44:08webguest92im busy playing halo lol
15:44:26Soapand so Rome fell.
15:45:15webguest92erm why cant i use /nick??
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15:47:24TrueJournalsPerhaps because the nick you want is already taken...
15:48:05webguest92nope crash doesnt seem to be in use, its only crashd
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15:49:02TrueJournalsOnly crash d is in our channel... crash just isn't in this channel, still in use though
15:49:11webguest92aah ok
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15:55:41webguest80Where can I download a simulator for a H10?">
15:56:16webguest80OK Thanks!
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16:07:12*JdGordon slowly narrowing down a FAT bug :'(
16:09:21*chrisjs169 can't stand the latest build source not being up for the past 12 hours
16:09:37JdGordonsvn update ?
16:10:09chrisjs169I could
16:11:13chrisjs169if i use SVN, and patch a file, would i need to repatch it the next time I do svn up?
16:12:18Soapif said file was changed
16:12:53thegeekI thought svn would try to merge?
16:13:42JdGordonit will
16:13:52JdGordonunless there is a conflict
16:14:37*JdGordon havin a painful time trying to debug with dumping to the lcd :'(
16:15:19chrisjs169so if the said patched file did get updated in svn, it'd most likely just get merged?
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16:15:41JdGordonyes, unless both update the same few lines of code
16:15:48JdGordonthen there will be a conflict, but it will show you
16:16:24Soapperhaps my method of revert/up/repatch is wasteful?
16:18:06JdGordona bit...
16:19:57*chrisjs169 is interested in using SVN now
16:20:28Soapwhen SVN merges in such a situation, can I assume it's using the same "logic" as the patch command? That the results of my method are likely to be identical to the results of just doing an up?
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16:24:09chrisjs169wow...if rockbox seriously ~100 megs uncompressed (when not using SVN, only the rockbox bleeding source)
16:24:23JdGordonSoap: yep
16:24:38JdGordonif there is a conflict you will notice very quickly when you try compiling
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16:24:50JdGordonyou will get a funny error something like "syntax error: ===="
16:25:06JdGordonchrisjs169: 30mb... svn uses 60
16:25:47chrisjs169then why is du -h ./ saying 176M?
16:25:54*JdGordon 's rockbox folder is 621MB!
16:26:04JdGordonbecause you probaly have compiled builds there
16:26:16JdGordonlots of files gcc creates
16:27:03JdGordonah, manual/ is 25mb alone!
16:27:44chrisjs169no...I just downloaded the source into a new dir
16:27:46JdGordon/2 for the .svn folder
16:28:10chrisjs169ah, that explains it
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16:34:48Dark_ApostropheHey guys, how's your Creative support?
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16:36:00Dark_Apostrophemaffe: Bad connection? :P
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16:36:46linuxstbSoap: What makes you think APE's maximum compression (aka "insane" mode) is the most commonly used? In my (albeit limited) tests, there isn't very much difference in filesize between the higher compression modes, but a huge difference in decoding (and I would guess encoding) speed. If I was to use APE, I don't think I would choose the maximum.
16:36:47krazykitDark_Apostrophe, all the targets supported are on the wiki
16:37:25Soaplinuxstb: only based upon the format discussions/arguments on HydrogenAudio.
16:38:05SoapThe "defenders" of APE in the APE vs FLAC debate are always holding up its superior compression when at max.
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16:38:11JdGordonlinuxstb: how does ape compare to flac filesize wise?
16:38:48linuxstbI made various encodings of a track here -
16:38:50maffeDark_Apostrophe: I checked another computer with my energy meter. I forgot that my router was also connected to it.
16:39:15Dark_Apostrophemaffe: Ok
16:39:26linuxstb(it's only one track, so of course may not be representative)
16:39:27Dark_Apostrophemaffe: Are you norwegian? (Based on your hostname)
16:39:54maffeI use a norwegian Jabber<->IRC transport
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16:40:09maffeI'm from Germany
16:40:29Soapso, linuxstb, I don't have a single bit of evidence outside the anecdotal
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16:41:03Dark_Apostrophemaffe: Ok
16:41:11Dark_Apostrophemaffe: Why not just use a regular IRC client?
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16:44:13maffeDark_Apostrophe: I use Miranda, and the IRC plugin for Quakenet. In theory, it should be possible to copy the IRC dll to use another network. But when I tried that, there were some settings in the two DLLs interfering with each other :|
16:45:03JdGordonmaffe: 2 dlls dont wrk anymore? bummer...
16:45:21JdGordonvisit #miranda-im on freenode... they'll help you out
16:45:28*JdGordon longs for miranda on linux
16:45:41JdGordon#miranda even
16:45:49linuxstbSoap: I'm thinking that for the set of distributed test tracks, I would just pick a middle compression level for each of the lossless codecs (maybe whatever the default settings are). People can always do their own encodings if they want to test how encoder settings affect a particular codec.
16:46:22Soapaye - default compression level for lossless makes the most sense.
16:46:52SoapI'll almost finished with my "meta track". a mixture of "rock", country, classical, dance, etc.
16:47:26SoapI've been amazingly busy with physical-world life...I apologise for the delay.
16:48:49maffeJdGordon: Maybe it works with the current version (which I have), but I don't really care since the Jabber transport satisfies me
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16:50:48JdGordonlinuxstb: have you seen 7276? resume for mpegplayer..?
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16:51:50JdGordonexcept his patch stll has some garbage i it
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16:54:15chrisjs169yeah, i noticed three hunks of nothing
16:56:46Nico_Pwow the Zune Linux founder *himself* posted on the rockbox forum to suggest we wrok with them ^^
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16:58:08JdGordonI saw! so maybe they were genuiune?
17:01:05SoapI'm very happily suprised the Zune Linux thread hasn't turned into a Zune Linux bash thread.
17:01:08*Nico_P is listening to the zune linux "podcast"... the guy his so convincing !!
17:01:21Dark_ApostropheZune Linux?
17:01:26Dark_ApostrophePeople actually buy Zune?
17:01:29Nico_PI think I'm going to buy a zune and break it to send it to him
17:02:10Dark_ApostropheI'm a Microsoft hater. :)
17:04:24maffeDark_Apostrophe: I think I'll continue using Miranda (Windows) and Gajim (Linux) :)
17:04:26Soapthough, Zune-Linux could get (just a little bit) more respect if their forum mods didn't openly discuss the usage of copyright-violating bittorrent trackers.
17:06:30Domonoky_are any blind rockbox users here ? i would be interested how accessible rbutil is for the blinds..
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17:21:28jac0bdid anyone look at the bookmark bug?
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17:58:16Soapis someone with an iPod 5th gen willing to spot-check one or two of my Mpegplayer fps numbers in the performance area of the wiki page?
17:58:42SoapI'm not seeing nearly the improvement on my 5th gen I saw earlier on my Nano...
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17:59:59Soap(not seeing a real improvement at all)...perhaps the Nano numbers were older than I thought...
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18:01:16LloreanThe nano numbers were quite old. I think, immediately after sound support was added even, maybe.
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18:40:10chrisjs169This isn't really Rockbox related (well, sorta is) but how would I be able to have 'svn up' run on my computer every time something changes in SVN?
18:47:11Nico_Pchrisjs169: what I can suggest is a mail filter that executes a script when you get a mail from the rockbox-cvs ML
18:47:33Nico_PI could quite easily set this up in KMail... don't know about other mail clients though
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18:50:00XavierGrJdGordon: yes I have an ondio (though on my car can't test right now) tell me what you want me to test for you and I will try to do it as soon as possible
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18:50:40chrisjs169Nico_P: I've got KMail installed, but never used it before
18:50:52Nico_Pchrisjs169: what mail client do you use ?*
18:51:39chrisjs169I mainly just use webmail (RoundCube) since it just seems easier, but I wouldn't mind using KMail
18:52:45Nico_Pwell you'd just need to subscribe to the rockbox-cvs ML, set up KMail for your mail account and add a filter in it
18:53:55Nico_Palso you'd need to write a small script that does svn up in your local copy dir
18:54:05Nico_Pif you need help, ask me ;)
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18:54:57chrisjs169ok :)
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19:04:57chrisjs169lol - "Use an account from a more intelligent company"
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19:08:21Nico_Pchrisjs169: where did you get that ?
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19:08:38poksdfposhello, I need help with my rockbox
19:08:48poksdfposI want to search in my native language and I have no idea how to do that
19:08:49chrisjs169that notice about Verizon on
19:09:16Nico_Poh yes
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19:10:24n1spoksdfpos: take a look here to learn how to make a custom keyboard (which is used to enter search terms) could i set this filter to run in the background?
19:11:38poksdfposn1s, if i define the keyboard with one language does that mean i can no longer searchi n englih?
19:11:41poksdfposin english*
19:12:19n1spoksdfpos: you can have any unicode characters in your keyboard, or save several custom ones and switch
19:13:36poksdfposmay i have an example of a .kbd file?
19:13:44poksdfposmaybe the .kbd file that is already in the rockbox...?
19:14:16n1spoksdfpos: that one is compiled in, but the page I linked describes it pretty well, also there's an example at the bottom
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19:15:09poksdfposI don't get it
19:15:16poksdfposwhy does the file down looks wierd
19:15:21poksdfposit doesn't look like a keyboard layout
19:16:24n1spoksdfpos: the opti2.kbd file on that page is indeed a rockbox keyboard layout
19:17:03Nico_Pchrisjs169: it'll filter every mail you get
19:17:04poksdfposit makes no sense, there aren't any weird characters
19:17:10poksdfposlike there's on the regular rockbox keboard
19:17:15Nico_Pchrisjs169: you want to have you inbox checked every now and then
19:17:42Nico_Pevery time a mail matches the filter, the command you set will be run
19:18:03Nico_Pthe filter editor is quite self explanatory IMHO
19:18:19poksdfposok so where should i add the other language in the opti2.kbd?
19:18:33n1spoksdfpos: it's an _example_ it doesn't include everything, just add what you want to a regular text file, save it as .kbd and klick it in the rockbox file browser
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19:18:59poksdfposso what i'll be running
19:19:03poksdfposwill be an addition to the keyboard
19:19:04poksdfposnot instead
19:19:24Nico_Pchrisjs169: the filer you want here is "List-Id", "contains" (or its equivalent), and "<>"
19:19:53n1spoksdfpos: whatever you put in your .kbd file will replace the built in keyboard
19:20:12poksdfposso I want it to be the opti2 + another language
19:20:21poksdfposif i put the other language in the end of the file will it work?
19:20:27n1sfor example yes
19:20:34poksdfposyey :)
19:20:40poksdfposthank you very much, i'll give it a shot
19:20:42n1sthen your new language will be at the lower half of the keyboard
19:20:47n1sdo so :-)
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19:49:32poksdfposhmm i built a .kbd file
19:49:48poksdfposand it doesn't work
19:49:55poksdfposwhat should i do?
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19:54:22BoD[]Hello, world!
19:55:22frizilleno idea poks
19:56:25PaulJam"it doesn't work" isn't a very exact description of your problem. what happens if you try to loat the .kbd file?
19:56:26frizillei've got an ipod 80gb question if anyone knows anything about em
19:56:29BoD[]Hey ... Does anybody know if it's normal that if I plug to my pc my ipod (video) when it's off, then rockbox hangs and windows doesn't recognize it. But if I turn on the ipod first, wait for rockbox to load, and THEN plug it, then it works ok. Is it a known problem?
19:57:12poksdfpossorry for the delay
19:57:36poksdfposPaulJam, I ran the file, it says loading and then I went to the search and there wasn't any hebrew =\
19:58:08PaulJambut did the keyboard layout change?
20:00:26PaulJamcould you upload the .kbd file somewhere?
20:00:40poksdfposi could send you via dcc
20:00:42poksdfposis that ok?
20:01:24frizillefor the 80gb ipod video 5.5 - does the new bootloader fix get things running enough to make it usable or is the FAT fix gotta be done first?
20:01:49poksdfposcan you say slow upload?
20:02:52poksdfposPaulJam, this is better
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20:04:04PaulJamhave a little patience
20:04:14linuxstbfrizille: I don't understand your question. The current bootloader and current Rockbox work fine on the 80GB.
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20:04:45poksdfpossorry for being inpatient..
20:05:12frizilleok, cool. have been waiting on the 80gb patch thing - here:
20:05:28frizilleread the patch notes but mentioned this:
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20:05:41frizilleHere is the first patch for the ATA driver and the disk partition code for the iPod 5.5G 80Gbyte version. The ATA driver can find out the logical and physical sector size, and disk_init can find the partition correctly. It can not yet mount the filesystem.
20:05:46PaulJampoksdfpos: it looks as if the file isn't saved as unicode
20:06:05frizillelooked like they had the bootloader working but were doingmore work on the FS
20:06:21frizillewasnt sure if they had it working enough to use with the current filesystem
20:07:39poksdfposi'll try again...
20:09:40poksdfposwow it worked
20:09:44poksdfposhowever the layout is stupid
20:10:13poksdfposand the language is backwords
20:10:26poksdfposas in, if i search in hebrew the word is backwords =\
20:11:19poksdfposit searches the right word
20:11:25poksdfposbut it writes it backwords
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20:12:33linuxstbfrizille: Just read the front page of the website, including the News section and the list of supported devices.
20:13:33frizilledamn... i feel retarded
20:13:51frizilleskipped right past it and went to the forum i had bookmarked
20:14:01frizillethank you sir
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20:14:56pixieWhen I boot my iPod with cable, it shows a triangle with an '!' in it, and gets an image of a battery with a lightning bolt through it shortly after, refuses to boot
20:15:12pixieeither that, or it boots rockbox and doesen't charge it, just shows a picture of a usb cable, and reboots shortly after
20:15:18pixieWithout the cable it boots fine
20:15:24pixieAny ideas?
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20:16:54pixieOH yay, 50 reboots later and it works.
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20:19:23gfatherwassup guys
20:19:30gfatheri solved my problem
20:19:34gfatherand made it work
20:19:49gfatherbut i have a new problem
20:20:08gfatheri have itrip
20:20:14gfatherand its not working with it
20:20:23gfatherhow can i make it work
20:20:38gfatherits a small device that will trnsmit it to radio
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20:22:33gfatherso , what i have to do
20:22:57jhMikeSnoone's been around to kick the build server _yet_? or is my browser hallucinating?
20:23:55krazykitgfather, has a list of what works
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20:31:35Soapit's a work in progress, gfather.
20:32:11SoapIf your model of iTrip (it really a generic product _line_ name) isn't listed, I'd greatly appreciate the info so that the wiki can be added to.
20:33:51gfatherwell im trying to figure out if my moddel is supported or not
20:34:39gfatherpleas chek it out
20:36:22gfatheris it supported
20:36:47Soapyou can read the wiki as well as I. Is it listed?
20:37:00gfatheri just read it
20:37:13gfatherthe modles is not listed exactly
20:37:36gfatherno serials like TRP30BK iTrip
20:38:40gfathercan i make it work , or i have to wait ?
20:38:46gfathercant i do anything
20:38:47SoapIf I Recall Correctly I had added photos of all the iTrip models on that wiki page
20:39:53gfatherno , not listed
20:40:18gfatherits like the iTrip Dock
20:40:38gfatherbut its black and have other serial
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20:41:23SoapI don't think case colour makes a difference. ;)
20:41:37Soapand the numbers currently in the wiki are most likely FCC ID numbers.
20:41:52gfatherso :) , im doomed
20:41:58Soapthe more I look, the more I'm positive the model you have is the iTrip dock.
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20:42:41gfathercan i do anything to make it work
20:43:55Soapthere is an ugly hack out there for one of the dock-connecting FM transmitters.
20:44:03SoapI don't recall which one, google might.
20:47:17gfatherthat one , he connect wires to it , and make another power supply
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20:47:55gfatheror the hack is another one
20:48:47Soapthat one
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20:51:27gfathercan i use a usb ligher
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20:52:02Soapnot sure what that is
20:52:14gfatherthe i trip has a samll usb
20:52:46gfatheri get i lighter powersupply ., the one used in cares , and connected throught usb to the itrip
20:53:13gfatherto give it power supply , as the hack need another source of power supply
20:53:37gfatherthats will be better , right
20:53:38gfather ?
20:53:46SoapI'm not familiar with the details of the hack.
20:56:18Soapreading the link you posted above - an external USB power source is not in and of itself the whole solution.
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20:57:19SliMMllorean: are you there?
20:58:04SliMMi guess he isn't :)
20:58:04*Soap doesn't see LL in the user list −−−−−−>
20:58:32SliMMHow can i get an artist badge?
20:58:57SliMMi've posted a theme to thewiki:
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20:59:16Soapgfather: are you FrankieF?
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21:00:17SliMMSoap: can you certify my theme please? :)
21:00:35gfatherfrankief ? ? loool
21:01:16Soapgfather: he was asking about the exact same model iTrip today as well.
21:02:48SliMMsoap: please? :)
21:03:20SoapSliMM: the "seal of approval" isn't finalized yet - give it 10 more days.
21:03:40Soapis the backdrop image unencumbered by copyright?
21:03:53Soapand under what license are you releasing the WPS?
21:04:14SliMMthe bg is gpl
21:04:23Soap(just a few things which will need to be clear for the SoAp) :)
21:04:24gfatherahh ok , well i think its a model that is good to have it support becouse allot of people have it
21:05:19Soapgfather: it is not that simple. An iPod serial protocol would need to be written and commited to Rockbox, and then the relevant commands to turn on said iTrip would need to be discovered.
21:05:21SliMMshould i specify that in the wiki?
21:05:58SoapSliMM: theme guidelines are on the agenda to be discussed next weekend...
21:06:39SliMMSoap: ok, should i ask llorean for a badge, or is it more to do for one?
21:06:43gfatherwell it is simpler than doing the whole rockbox project right
21:07:07SoapSliMM: yea, the Artist Badge is a seperate thing - looks like you qualify, IIRC.
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21:07:23gfathercan u extract the protocole as it is , and just add it to rockbox
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21:07:57SliMMsoap: coding badge it's far more difficult to get
21:08:03Soapgfather: that is correct. Most likely implementing the serial protocol on iPods will take less hours than the Rockbox project has taken up to this point.
21:08:09SliMMmaybe i'll get one after i finish cubis
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21:08:26Soapgfather: extract it from where?
21:08:45Soapok, let me rephrase SliMM. What is cubis?
21:08:55SliMMa game :))
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21:09:43gfatherfrom the ipod
21:09:54Soapand, for future reference, SliMM. Do you see in your WPS wiki entry how "BlurPod" is highlighted and followed with a question mark?
21:09:56gfatherfrom the apple software
21:10:16SliMMwhat does that mean?
21:10:25Soapthis is because the wiki software thinks any word with TwoCaps is a "WikiWord" and tries to make it a link.
21:10:59Soapyou can tell TWiki that "BlurPod" is not a wiki word, so it doesn't try to auto link it, by preceding it with an !
21:11:12Soapthe ! won't be visible in normal view.
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21:11:30Soapso "BlurPod" gets replaced with "!BlurPod"
21:12:26frizillequestion for the group: what do you guys like to use to transfer stuf to rockbox?
21:12:50SliMMi must go now
21:12:58Soapthe file browser. (Windows Explorer, etc.)
21:13:02SliMMcould you please do that for me? :)
21:13:15Soapyes SliMM.
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21:13:45Soapfrizille: though sometimes I use Foobar2000 if I am transfering lots of folders and I want to auto-rename during transfer.
21:14:05frizilleanyone use winamp? trying to find a good app to keep stuff organized
21:14:23frizillethx soap, i'll check it out
21:14:40SliMMsoap: when will something like scrolling margins will be in the svn?
21:15:16SoapSliMM: do not know.
21:15:48SoapI don't know if that is going to wait until/be solved by Viewports, or if it has a chance to be added earlier.
21:15:49SliMMtried to use images, but it didn't fully work (without %s works fine)
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21:16:07SliMMviewports sound great
21:16:14SliMMbye now
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21:16:44gfatherguys how can i boot to normal ?
21:20:02gfatherhow can i reboot to apple
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21:22:34gfatherreally guys
21:22:38gfatheri dont know how
21:23:39Soaplong hold of play to shutdown Rockbox
21:23:43SoapSelect to power back on
21:24:04Soapas soon as you power on (see the apple logo) switch the hold switch to the "on" (red) position.
21:26:39gfatherthanks allot man
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21:43:54webguest63hello, need it possible to autostart a music file when turning on the ipod?
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21:49:32XavierGrI love, thanks Bagder or who helped into making it :)
21:49:35Robin0800see bookmarks
21:49:47XavierGr(I hope that it will compile all crosscompilers without a hitch)
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22:04:25*petur discovers his ISP is finally considering increasing upload speed - about time
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22:08:55gandhijeehey guys, where can i a find a list of features that rockbox supports on my player?
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22:09:43peturand the manual of course
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22:10:19peturgandhijee: what player?
22:10:26gandhijee3rd gen iPOd
22:10:41toffe82XavierGr: on ubuntu 7.04 , it is missing build-essentials to build the cross compiler
22:10:44gandhijeei can't seem to find a nice comprehensive list
22:10:58peturnot as good as the others, audio may not all be ok
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22:11:50gandhijeeguess i will have to use the other firmware
22:12:29peturgandhijee: you can always try and go back if not ok
22:13:11peturgandhijee: I think some audio formats play, others may skip
22:13:59gandhijeei am most concerned about FLAC
22:14:09XavierGrtoffe: compiling on a clean debian stable distro
22:14:18peturlucky you, FLAC seems to work
22:14:41petur(FLAC seems to be the only one working ok on 3rd gen ipoo
22:15:22gandhijeeyeah, but i have high bitrate MP3's too
22:15:34gandhijeemany above 192
22:15:47peturgandhijee: the problem is that there is no longer a developer with an ipod 3rd gen
22:16:03gandhijeei'm not surprised
22:16:22gandhijeei got lucky and gotta free drive for mine so it came back to life
22:16:48peturwhich reminds me...
22:16:54*petur pings BRi7X
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22:30:44XavierGrwow compiling all the cross compilers sure is a long procedure....
22:31:09XavierGr45 minutes now
22:31:26kremlincompiling compilers tends to be a lengthy process
22:31:51gandhijee45min isn't bad
22:31:57XavierGryeah I remember that the first time I manually compiled them, but still it amazes me
22:32:01gandhijeeis rockbox written in C?
22:32:09Domonokyc and asm
22:32:10XavierGrgandhijee: well it is still compiling
22:32:33scorcheXavierGr: takes quite a bit
22:32:47XavierGrΙ don't want to imagine how is to debug staff like that :\
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22:33:23peturXavierGr: under ubuntu? what system?
22:33:53gandhijeeXavierGr: what kinda machine you compiling it on?
22:36:44XavierGrpetur: debian stable with no gui on vmware
22:36:55XavierGrpentium 4 @ 3ghz
22:37:45peturiirc, it took a little over 20 minutes on my new laptop (core2duo 2GHz)
22:37:59peturthat's native ubuntu :)
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22:38:40Soapditto on all three (processor, speed, distro)
22:43:50DomonokyBagder: if you have time, can you move domonoky/"> to the download server
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22:44:46XavierGrw00t finished
22:44:57XavierGr1 hour it is then
22:45:28XavierGrpetur: damn petur that reminds me that I don't have a laptop and haven't upgraded my box for more than 2 yeas (iirc)
22:45:30n1sDomonoky: I had an idea for rbutil, it could prompt users to install fonts none are present...
22:46:37BagderDomonoky: done!
22:50:05toffe82On a virtual machine ubuntu on winxp , it took me less than 1/2 hour on my laptop
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22:50:48XavierGrBagder: thanks again for creating it really made my life easier to create a new vmware image
22:50:55*Bagder bows
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22:51:19XavierGramiconn's idea is brilliant
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22:51:47XavierGrusing sdl to compile (from linux) the sim for windows is great
22:52:06XavierGrnow I only have to ssh to vmware image and open the filetree with samba
22:52:21XavierGrand a full working enviroment nearly the same as cygwin but much faster
22:52:37XavierGrthough this won't work for linux or Mac users
22:52:38*n1s finds 5 feature requests for almost the same feature...
22:54:10Domonokyn1s: do you think rbutil should nag about such things ? the font install button isnt far in rbutil :-)
22:54:47n1sDomonoky: I think it could be useful if it detects that there are no fonts, but maybe it will be annoying...
22:55:36Domonokya really nice feature for rbutil would be to install voice files for rockbox, but theres no daily build voice files.. :-/
22:56:13Bagdernot yet at least ;-)
22:56:24BagderI have scripts around that do it
22:56:26Domonoky*hint hint* :-)
22:56:33toffe82another one should be to detect if the installed version is the same as the current
22:56:51Bagderthe only little problem is that the linux-generated voices are rather crappy in comparison to some of the windows ones
22:57:18DomonokyBagder: but better no voice file, or an outdated one..
22:57:47Bagderyes, and soon we very well might have target-specific voice files
22:58:14Domonokyso it would be really good to have automated building..
22:58:28Domonokyif its there, i will implement the rbutil side of it :-)
22:58:35Bagderyes, I've been intending to start my scripts for real then
22:59:04Bagderit'll also hit our servers even more...
22:59:51n1sBagder: you could make it really fancy so that it only updates voicefiles if the .lang files change :-)
23:00:04Bagdervery true
23:00:43Bagderbut then it already "caches" mp3 versions of all strings
23:01:00Bagderso generated a new chunk with no new strings is rather quickly done
23:02:30Domonokyn1s, toffe82: if you finde time to implement some of those detecting things for rbutil, go ahead :-))
23:03:17n1sDomonoky: I looked around a bit but was very confused by c++ and vx stuff...
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23:05:03Domonokyn1s: yeah the wx stuff is a bit confusing..
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23:08:05Domonokyone thing i dont like in rbutil, is, that it has to relay on for the themes and this isnt official... :-/
23:08:46Domonokywe either need a official rockbox-themes site, or i need to find a way to do the same with the wiki :-)
23:10:46*Bagder heads to bed - early night tonight
23:11:05*scorche adds rbutil and wps relationship to his list of devcon topics and facets of the wps discussion
23:12:00Domonokythanks scorche :-)
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23:17:43*n1s thinks we should include dummy plugins in the plugins list called rockboy, mpegplayer etc. and make them say "rtfm!" or something when started, and also wonders why no-one ever wonders why the text viewer or jpeg viewer isn't in the list...
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23:24:35Soapthere's no time for text viewing when there is demon-spawn on Mars to kill!
23:25:31n1sSoap: I just find it interesting that most people expect to view a jpeg by clicking it in the browser but an mpeg by starting a plugin...
23:25:35scorcheDomonoky: so how do you make it download from r-t that isnt available off the wiki?
23:26:02Soapn1s: but on your desktop that is the behavior.
23:26:23SoapYou click an image to view it, yet launch your Doom game or GB emmulator.
23:26:48Soapmpegplayer I have a harder time understanding, though.
23:27:02n1sSoap: yeah but I also click a video to view it, I don't start vlc then open the menu to point it to th file...
23:27:07Domonokyscorche: rockbox-themes is php and provides a special url for rbutil which delivers a list with the themes and the urls
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23:27:46Domonokyrbutil parses this list, and presents them in the gui, thats a difficult with the wiki.. :-/
23:27:52n1sSoap: yes I can understand why they think rockboy/zxbox/chip8 should be started first
23:28:30scorcheDomonoky: i see...
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23:29:50scorchehrm...perhaps we could have a .php or something as an attachment on the wiki that the util can load?
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23:31:19Domonokyif there is a well defined list somewhere, wiki, or else where, rbutil could also parse another list..
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23:32:28scorcheso the wiki would work if it was organized in a certain way?
23:32:31Domonokyi would need a URL for the zip, a URL for the preview, and a description in this list, and only themes which work without patches..
23:33:11Domonokywiki could work...
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23:34:11Domonokythe problem is only that it needs a well defined format for the list, and nobody should break it :-)
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23:37:59scorchewould this format be ill-suited for both rb use and use over a browser by viewers?
23:38:00Domonokythis could possibly be combined with the soap approved list, a wiki page with restricted access, and a well defined format ( wiki page for every display size would be needed)
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23:39:08Domonokyno, i can parse what you like, as long as it is well defined, and has the nessecarry info..
23:39:41scorchecan i see the page that rbutil uses?
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23:41:01SliMMare php scripts accepted in the utils part of the svn?
23:41:15Domonokyone sec..
23:42:25Domonokyrbutil uses a list like this at the moment
23:43:02Domonokybut this is not really human readable.. but it would also be possible to parse a human readable page
23:43:32n1sSliMM: we have shell scripts, pearl, java, so why not? :-) but what is it and why is it php?
23:44:37scorcheDomonoky: well, what timezone are you in, and what are you doing next weekend? =P
23:46:26DomonokyGMT+1, and next weekend, its weekend so what schould i do :-)
23:47:03Domonokyah Devcon West... :-)
23:47:18Domonokyi will be in irc if i have time :-)
23:47:33scorcheok =)
23:47:50scorchewe have quite a few things to hash out, so we shall see
23:48:43SliMMn1s: because i know php and i started working on a script for thumbnail creating
23:49:11n1sSliMM: thumbnails of jpegs?
23:49:50SliMMfor fast jpeg viewer decoding
23:49:55n1smaybe that is something to hack into rbutil? ;-)
23:50:19SliMM:-? could be
23:50:40n1sSliMM: but really I don't have a final say in this, you should ask bagder but I don't see why php should be refused...
23:51:12SliMMBagder: what do you think?
23:51:34scorche[15:10:36] * Bagder heads to bed - early night tonight
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23:52:20n1sscorche: it's 23:10 im our timezone :)
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23:53:40Domonokyits 23:53 in my timezone.. .. strange world :-)
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23:56:46n1sDomonoky: I mean't that it _was_ 23:10 when he posted that, although i guess going to bed at 15:10 qualifies as an early night too :)
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