#rockbox 2007-06-10

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#rockbox log for 2007-06-10

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00:23:52	SliMM	here's an interesting bug
00:24:00	SliMM	here's an interesting bug
00:24:22	Robin0800	its a double bug
00:25:26	SliMM	if the playback is paused and i rewind/fast forward it starts playing, but the playback status is still flagged as paused and i have todouble click on the pause buttonfor pausing
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00:25:46	SliMM	sorry for double posting
00:25:54	n1s	SliMM: that is known
00:26:03	SliMM	oh
00:26:09	SliMM	:)
00:26:16	n1s	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7257
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00:41:12	perldiver	wow
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01:08:54	Bigavsha	Help! I'm a noob needing help
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01:09:13	Bigavsha	Can anyone help me?
01:09:17	Bigavsha	I have an iPod
01:09:29	Bigavsha	and I downloaded the FMpresets to it
01:09:33	Bigavsha	for Tel aviv
01:09:44	Bigavsha	but I don't know how to turn on the radio on this !
01:09:47	Bigavsha	help?!
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01:10:28	Bigavsha	help please
01:11:13	scorche	please read the manual
01:11:19	scorche	and have a bit of patience please...
01:11:31	Bigavsha	I read it 3 times
01:11:38	Bigavsha	and I still dont have a clue
01:12:01	scorche	well, ipods dont have a radio..
01:12:22	Bigavsha	It says to put the .fmr files wherever u want or even in the .rockbox/fmpresets folder
01:12:31	scorche	the device has to have a radio
01:12:41	Bigavsha	Oh.. I know, but I thought I'd be able to open it with the iPod.. =\
01:13:03	Bigavsha	shit
01:13:05	Bigavsha	ok thankx
01:13:06	scorche	if the device doesnt have a radio, how do you expect to listen to it?
01:13:21	Bigavsha	dunno, thought the Rockbox enabled it
01:13:35	scorche	how can it enable something that isnt there?
01:14:02	Bigavsha	the hell I know
01:14:20	Bigavsha	oh, and another thing, how do I go back to the regular operating system?
01:14:32	scorche	read the FAQ
01:14:35	Bigavsha	I did
01:14:43	scorche	then read it harder
01:14:47	Bigavsha	is that what's called "Disk Mode"?
01:14:51	scorche	no
01:15:01	Bigavsha	I'm afraid to erase everything in here
01:15:13	scorche	why do you need to do that?
01:15:29	Bigavsha	and I've clicked the reboot thingy several times, the "select" + "menu" 10 seconds thing
01:15:53	Bigavsha	could you tell me or what?
01:16:19	scorche	tell you what?
01:16:50	Bigavsha	how to go back to the regular iPod operating system
01:17:00	scorche	the FAQ tells you
01:17:27	Bigavsha	dunno where the FAQ are
01:17:58	scorche	YOU SAID ABOVE THAT YOU READ IT BEFORE
01:18:02	scorche	whoops...caps
01:18:38	Bigavsha	the ones in the forum?
01:18:48	scorche	there are no FAQ in the forum
01:19:23	Bigavsha	do you know... or not?
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01:19:56	scorche	i do, but it is in the guidelines of this channel that you are supposed to have read the manual and FAQ before you speak
01:20:01	scorche	see the link in the topic
01:20:16	Bigavsha	I guess
01:20:21	Bigavsha	but I'm kinda lazy
01:20:45	scorche	so being lazy means that you dont have to follow the guidelines?
01:21:45	linuxstb	Bigavsha: A starting point - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcGuidelines
01:22:14	Bigavsha	yeah I got it
01:23:14	Bigavsha	I don't have time to search through all these questions
01:23:31	Bigavsha	could you reveal the big secret to me?
01:24:01	scorche	the "table of contents" is the big secret...you find which question you have and click on it
01:25:04	Bigavsha	can't find it there
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01:25:27	Bigavsha	begging you to tell me
01:25:33	Bigavsha	cause I can't find the question there
01:26:29	scorche	you dont see " How to start the original Apple Firmware"?
01:26:43	saratoga	are you asking about FM on an Ipod?
01:26:48	saratoga	i don't think thats even possible
01:26:51	Bigavsha	no no
01:27:09	scorche	saratoga: not anymore
01:29:24	Bigavsha	which one is the "hold" button? menu?
01:29:39	scorche	there is a diagram of each button in the manual
01:29:53	Bigavsha	wow u really are a hardass
01:30:22	saratoga	Bigavsha: what exactly are you asking?
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01:31:13	scorche	i am not a "
01:31:25	scorche	hardass...i just like people following the rules ;)
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01:38:34	toffe82	scorche: do you think about something special you like to have at the devcon but you don't have it, or something we should have (hardware stuff, computer...)?
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01:39:40	scorche	there are a few things, yes, but i am planning on just purchasing those
01:40:01	scorche	although, do you happen to ahve a DVI to HCMI cable?
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01:41:24	toffe82	no , you just choose the only thing I don't have :)
01:41:30	scorche	s/HCMI/HDMI
01:42:40	toffe82	yes, you want to connect a computer to a hdtv ?
01:42:48	scorche	yup
01:43:30	scorche	how about a whiteboard? =P
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01:43:52	webguest39	hi
01:43:56	TrueJournals	Hello
01:44:10	webguest39	im trying to install rockbox into an ipod nano 2 generation
01:44:21	scorche	you cant
01:44:35	TrueJournals	"Nano 2nd gen is not supported" −− www.rockbox.org
01:44:46	toffe82	scorche : you ask everything I don't have ;)
01:44:50	webguest39	what about linux
01:45:04	scorche	you cant install that either, although that is the wrong thing to ask here
01:45:11	webguest39	untill when I can be able to install it?
01:45:16	scorche	no clue
01:45:20	saratoga	probably never
01:45:28	saratoga	2G Nano is locked down pretty tight
01:45:51	webguest39	well, thanks for all
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01:49:36	toffe82	scorche: this whiteboard will work for you as we have a big screen ? :)
01:49:53	toffe82	http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Communications/Conferencing/HiveBoard-4496.shtml
01:49:56	scorche	either or...or both
01:51:39	scorche	yeah...physical whiteboards are nice though...otherwise, i was just planning on using the screens
01:54:49	toffe82	For the cable, if you don't have time to buy it, there is a big electronic shop not far away from the hotel (Fry's electronic)
01:57:45	*	Soap prefers those huge paper easel tablets to whiteboards.
01:58:00	Soap	there's a Fry's in vegas?
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01:58:10	toffe82	yes
01:58:10	Soap	I need somone to watch me if I drink, then.
01:58:26	scorche	yeah...frys is great
01:58:36	toffe82	just out the higway when you arrive from LA
01:58:42	scorche	toffe82: i used to live in vegas for a little bit, so i know where everything is though....thanks ;)
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03:00:40	tw2113	anyone active?
03:02:25	Soap	aye
03:02:41	saratoga	for a bit longer anyway
03:02:41	tw2113	would you have any idea why my ipod with rockbox wouldn't mount when plugged in?
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03:03:02	saratoga	theres no USB support on the Ipod yet, so you need to reboot into Apple's firmware
03:03:15	saratoga	check back in a month or two once Christian gets somewhere with his USB drive
03:03:17	saratoga	r
03:03:27	tw2113	i have it running overall, it just doesn't always mount itself
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03:03:33	Soap	there is USB /detection/, but it takes a long time for Rockbox to reboot into Apple sometimes it seems.
03:03:35	tw2113	i have successfully copied files onto it
03:03:56	tw2113	it usually does when i restart my setup in linux
03:04:53	tw2113	not a huge deal really, i'd just have to make sure to do all the updating I want before unmounting
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03:07:24	saratoga	peaking of which, someone get christian to setup a status page for his project so i can stop searching the chat logs
03:07:48	Soap	his nick is?...
03:11:08	saratoga	austriancoder
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03:14:32	chrisjs169	everything seems dead =/
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03:16:03	chrisjs169	yay, someone joined
03:16:16	*	chrisjs169 needs someone to talk to while waiting for all of this to download
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03:17:08	Soap	#defocus is a general chat channel. #rockbox is a support/developement channel
03:17:40	chrisjs169	oh yeah - ok
03:17:56	Soap	#rockbox-community would be a great chat channel for people who use rockbox and want to chit-chat, but it's almost empty.
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03:42:29	aaa66	can someone help me to understand rockbox, btw i have a xbox running XBMC, is this anything like that change also i have a sansa mp3 player.
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03:44:45	scorche	not really
03:44:55	scorche	the manual can help with that, as well as the wiki
03:45:13	scorche	what part are you having trouble with specifically?
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05:22:59	xskater	hello
05:24:19	xskater	is anyone here?
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05:27:44	JdGordon	100 in one form of idlesness or another...
05:28:08	xskater	i have a few questions
05:28:14	xskater	if you have the time to answer
05:31:34	airhead	hello
05:32:01	xskater	hey
05:32:16	airhead	whats up
05:32:22	xskater	airhead you up for a few questions?
05:32:29	airhead	real quick
05:32:31	airhead	gotta go in 2 minutes
05:32:31	xskater	hmm just contemplating things
05:32:34	xskater	allright
05:32:52	xskater	is rockbox compatible with itunes, as long as you use some sort of multiboot?
05:33:18	airhead	believe so, check the documentation on the particular firmware
05:33:41	airhead	but i would think so, or how else are you gona get music on the thing
05:33:44	*	JdGordon points xskater to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcGuidelines
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05:34:46	xskater	well it says that questions are allowed
05:35:18	xskater	or were you pointing to something else?
05:35:41	JdGordon	the part about just asking your question.. not asking to ask
05:36:42	xskater	sorry about that, i probably should've given that a look prior to entering
05:38:32	chrisjs169	xskater: assuming you are referring to ipods, they also have disk mode, which I think is what rockbox uses
05:39:33	xskater	yeah im talking about ipods
05:39:47	xskater	also im not to familiar with diskmode
05:40:01	xskater	see i was just fooling around with ipod wizard and then i came across this
05:40:05	xskater	and i was pretty interested
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06:20:41	JdGordon	jhMikeS: you round?
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06:30:48	bry	hello?
06:31:49	BHSPitLappy	sshhh
06:31:56	bry	:[
06:32:09	bry	I just installed rockbox and heard about this channel
06:33:23	bry	Why wont any of the wps themes work?
06:34:24	scorche	what are they doing?
06:35:04	bry	well, keep in mind I just installed it and I may be retarded
06:35:16	bry	but i downloaded some rockbox themes
06:35:22	bry	and i go to "browse wps"
06:35:26	bry	and click on a wps
06:35:39	bry	but when I look at the screen while it plays a file its just basic text
06:35:47	bry	and looks nothing like the theme i downloaded
06:35:58	*	scorche hands bry a book on paragraphs ;)
06:36:21	bry	:o
06:36:26	scorche	does the background change?
06:36:43	bry	yeah
06:36:50	bry	it did for one theme that I got
06:36:58	bry	but the text remains the same
06:37:04	bry	and the wps is very basic
06:37:07	scorche	do the little moving bars stay?
06:37:39	bry	no, they move around
06:37:51	bry	ps im using an iriver h320
06:38:11	scorche	well, it sounds like you are just using broken themes
06:38:33	bry	hrrm
06:38:41	bry	so im not doing anything wrong, though?
06:38:53	bry	if you click the wps file it usually just loads a theme, right?
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06:39:02	scorche	yes
06:39:20	scorche	make sure that you have installed the fonts pack and try some others
06:42:00	bry	well, i downloaded the latest release
06:42:07	bry	and it already had some themes
06:42:19	bry	but even those ones don't work
06:42:37	*	JdGordon slaps jhMikeS around with his damn spinlocks!
06:42:56	JdGordon	anyone kow how long a recording I would have t do to make sure I didnt break it?
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08:45:57	leftright	JdGordon, you said you fixed the paged scrolling issue, but I dont see a commit for that in the build table,
08:46:43	leftright	did the build table dump a few commits yesterday
08:46:47	JdGordon	yeah
08:46:52	JdGordon	the build table was screwed
08:46:59	JdGordon	check the last 4 weeks log page
08:47:27	leftright	np, just wanted to ensure that your fix was in, thanks for fixing it
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08:58:33	leftright	JdGordon: I just downloaded the latest current and it still has the #7274 bug
08:59:44	JdGordon	:'( bugger
08:59:56	JdGordon	I was scared of that, pauljam said the same thing last night
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09:00:00	JdGordon	it was working for m in the sim
09:00:30	JdGordon	can you reopen the task?
09:00:33	JdGordon	I'll fix it later
09:00:40	leftright	thanks
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10:04:49	PaulJam	JdGordon: the good news: FS #7274 seems to be fixed now.
10:06:23	JdGordon	yay
10:06:37	JdGordon	yeah, It was fixed last time also.. cept i must have accidently done a bad paste
10:06:40	JdGordon	stupid mistake
10:07:00	PaulJam	the bad news: there seems to be a new bug. if you have a longer folderlist and enter the last folder and exit it again then this folder is the first item in the list which means there is blank space below it.
10:08:02	JdGordon	can you build your own version?
10:08:09	JdGordon	very quick test to fix that...
10:08:59	PaulJam	currrently i can't build. i have some network problems with linux.
10:09:28	JdGordon	grr.. ok..
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10:11:28	JdGordon	have I mentioned I am sick of the bloody list code?
10:15:34	JdGordon	PaulJam: fixed, will cmmit in a few min
10:15:52	PaulJam	ok, thank you
10:26:29	JdGordon	oh bugger...
10:26:34	JdGordon	build table is scrwwed again
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11:03:23	rp-	hi
11:04:01	rp-	who has done the svn changelog on the main page?
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11:11:38	r2tincan	Does anyone know if Rockbox for the ipod video will break 3rd party functionality?
11:12:24	r2tincan	like if i dock my ipod with something
11:12:32	r2tincan	will i still be able to dock with the rockbox firmware
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11:19:30	r2tincan	anyone?
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11:36:06	r2tincan	is anyone here?
11:37:44	Rimidimi	I think you should come back later... most activity herre is in the evening... i dont have an iPod so i cant give you an proper answer ^^
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11:39:30	PaulJam	there is a list of accessories that are known to work/not work with rockbox: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodAccessories
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12:27:20	JdGordon	nice :) green delta from my commit, I was scared it would go red
12:30:10	aLtair27	anyone can give me the link where should i start to learn rockbox for iPod video 5.5g 80gb thankz!
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12:31:47	JdGordon	rockbox.org/manual
12:33:37	aLtair27	the manual doesnt contain the guide for 5.5g xD
12:35:41	JdGordon	its the same manual as the 5g viedeo
12:35:46	JdGordon	video*
12:36:02	JdGordon	the _only_ difference is the hard disk...
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12:42:39	aLtair27	so i can use that guide w/ my iPod ok thankx ^_^
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13:11:55	leftright	are the colour screens readible in bright sunlight /
13:14:38	leftright	there is no way I'm going to go near a dap with a colour screen if its anything like the colour screen on my smart phone
13:20:01	leftright	which is totally unreadible in bright sunlight
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13:20:30	Arathis	can anyone say where the running time is saved and why it's reset every time you charge with rockbox running?
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13:21:39	pixie	leftright: I can barely read mine in bright light..
13:23:09	Domonoky_	leftright: it depends on the player, there are readable and unreadable Displays under full sunlight, but i dont know which player has which .-)
13:23:52	leftright	hmm, interesting that some are better than others,
13:24:09	jvhc	just wondering, what does evilgs build actually do?
13:24:24	leftright	would the colour of the background inflence readiblitiy
13:24:26	linuxstb	leftright: The colour ipods are just about readable in sunlight without a backlight. The gigabeat isn't readable at all. I don't know about the H300, X5 and Sansa.
13:24:43	linuxstb	leftright: Yes, a high contrast theme can help
13:24:51	PaulJam	the h300 display doesn't work well with direct sunlight, but i have heard that the ipod video display is good.
13:25:24	Domonoky_	high contrast theme helps, but it really depends on display technologie..
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13:35:37	obo	Could someone with flyspray rights link FS #7261 to FS #7257, and maybe close 7261??
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13:55:00	Grobbler	Excuse me, I've read the FAQ several times, and I still can't turn on the old Apple Firmware on my iPod
13:55:10	Grobbler	Can anyone help me?
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14:12:52	Domonoky_	switch on hold, directly after starting the ipod
14:14:33	Nico_P	Domonoky_: what is it in rbutil that makes it require wxWidgets 2.8 ?
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14:15:58	Domonoky_	Nico_P: i dont know for sure, i think there was something about MacOsX support..
14:16:10	Nico_P	ok
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14:17:34	Domonoky_	Nico_P: of course there are now function which arent aviable in 2.6, but that could be changed, but it doesnt help when its a problem with MacOsX.. i will investigate a litte bit...
14:18:37	Nico_P	cool :)
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14:19:02	Nico_P	It'd probably be easier for a lot of people if rbutil only required 2.6
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14:19:56	Grobbler	Oh jeez
14:20:01	Grobbler	I'm in deep shit again.
14:20:18	Grobbler	Ok, I had the latest build on the iPod,
14:20:43	Grobbler	and then I downloaded some themes that said they needed the Senab Build
14:20:59	Grobbler	so after installing those themes, I extracted the Senab Build onto the iPod
14:21:30	Grobbler	and now when I try to play the plug-ins, it says: "incompatible version"
14:23:07	Domonoky_	what are the latest wx 2.6 versions aviable in Linux (debian ) ? newer than 2.6.3 ?
14:23:54	Grobbler	please help? anyone? =\
14:24:41	PaulJam	Grobbler: how old is the senab build?
14:24:42	Domonoky_	Grobbler: you didnt install the complete Senab build, and no support for custom, unsupported builds here.. :-)
14:24:58	Grobbler	So what do I do?
14:25:13	Grobbler	I think the first build I installed wasn't Senab
14:25:39	Grobbler	and I installed the latest, from the senab.co.uk site
14:25:51	Domonoky_	it could also be that senab build is to old.. i dont know..
14:26:18	Grobbler	oh, so what do I do? just install the newer build again?
14:26:20	Domonoky_	best to delete all rockbox files on your ipod, and reextract the senab build..
14:26:34	Domonoky_	or use a official build :-)
14:29:11	Grobbler	hmm, also, (I know I'm being an annoying asshole, but the FAQ isn't well orgainzed, I think.. I can't really find my way there)
14:29:32	Grobbler	Is there a place to get more Plug-Ins for the iPod Rockbox?
14:30:20	Nico_P	Domonoky_: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=wxgtk&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
14:30:22	Domonoky_	all plugins are included, asshole .. hehe
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14:35:19	Grobbler	Also, there is a video on youtube of someone playing an AVI file on his iPod using iPodLinux... Is it really possible and how exactly is Linux different from Rockbox?
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14:37:27	Domonoky_	Grobbler: please read the webpage, for ipodlinux read their page.. (video hint: wiki: PluginMpegplayer)
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14:37:45	Grobbler	I did, but they don't have iPod linux for 5g
14:38:08	Grobbler	and MPEG isn't the same as AVI
14:38:59	Domonoky_	AVI is only a container, not a format.
14:40:30	Domonoky_	and you have to resize the video to your screensize ( not enough cpu power) so you can also change the format at the same time..
14:40:46	Grobbler	but I still can't open avi files with my iPod.. I mean, they don't even appear on the file browser
14:41:23	Domonoky_	they are not supported, and to see them change the file view
14:41:57	PaulJam	for g5 ipods i would suggest to use the video functionality of the apple firmware.
14:42:03	Domonoky_	you have to transform your video to the screen size and to mpeg.. see the wiki page..
14:44:06	Grobbler	I am reading the wiki page
14:45:24	Grobbler	btw
14:46:29	Grobbler	how do I change the file view?
14:47:28	Domonoky_	Grobbler: read the manual, its really good :-)
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14:51:36	Grobbler	doesn't say how to see files that aren't in the File Formats list
14:52:23	Nico_P	Domonoky_: what OS do you run ?
14:52:44	Nico_P	is anyone running ubuntu feisty here ?
14:54:37	Domonoky_	Nico_P: win XP and debian in a VM..
14:55:05	Nico_P	does your debian have wxGTK 2.8.4 ?
14:57:03	Domonoky_	on my debian there is 2.8.0 :-)
14:57:20	Nico_P	you don't use it for rbutil ?
14:58:26	Domonoky_	i use it only for rbutil :-)
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14:59:07	Nico_P	ok... are you sure it's 2.8.0 ? 2.8.2 didn't work for me... (wx-config −−version)
14:59:50	Domonoky_	wx-config −−version tells me 2.8.0
14:59:59	Domonoky_	and it works for rbutil...
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15:00:07	Domonoky_	what error have you got ?
15:00:07	Nico_P	ah
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15:00:47	Nico_P	well when I was using a 2.8.2 the output from wx-config −−version=2.8 −−cxxflags didn't seem to be right
15:01:19	Nico_P	so I built a 2.8.3 from source and now that I've installed the official 2.8.4 it's fine again
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15:01:29	Domonoky_	ah perhaps the version flag isnt right for the newer version ? its only if you have 2.6 and 2.8 installed
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15:01:51	Nico_P	or now that I think about it, the problem could be something else, related to where the exexcutable was
15:02:56	Domonoky_	if you have different wx-config bins on your system, then there could be problems..
15:03:31	Nico_P	yes, that was probably the problem
15:04:38	Nico_P	the problem is that now when I build the deb package, the requirement is libwxgtk2.8 in version at least 2.8.4
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15:06:41	Domonoky_	2.8.4 is required for the deb package ?? why ?
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15:11:40	Domonoky_	ah, now i understand, because the package is build with 2.8.4, it requires 2.8.4 ?
15:12:10	Domonoky_	if so, then i should build a package with 2.8.0, so the requirements are lower :-)
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15:18:35	JdGordon	is it bad if spinlock_init(&lock) is called more than once?
15:20:10	Nico_P	Domonoky_: yes, I built it with 2.8.4 so it needs that
15:20:18	Nico_P	I'll try getting 2.8.0
15:24:13	Domonoky_	Nico_P: would be nice if you try that, i dont have the time to do it, i have to leave in ~ 1 hour for a few days..
15:24:31	Lear	Nico_P: That podcast you PM:ed about is actually too long, that's why it crashes.
15:25:12	Nico_P	Lear: just because it's too long ? generally long files just get skipped
15:25:26	Nico_P	this one crashes the player
15:26:07	Lear	Yes, but this is a borderline case. If it is way too long it causes a clean exit early on (from libm4a). Here it is libfaad that can't handle a NULL return from malloc.
15:28:10	Nico_P	but it's it's only 59 minutes... I have longer podcasts that play fine... is it because it's too large ?
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15:30:21	Lear	Yes, that's because it isn't strictly a question of length; how the file is structured matters too.
15:30:40	Nico_P	OK. and are there reasonable solutions to this ?
15:30:50	Lear	This one is separated into many different chunks, whereas most files I've seen before only have a few.
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15:31:48	Nico_P	Domonoky_: I've managed to gt a hold of v2.8.1... I'll build a package with it
15:32:22	Lear	There might be. Depends on what the decoder actually needs in terms of frame sizes. I.e., do libfaad need to know the size of a single frame (sample in QT terminology).
15:33:18	Lear	If not, libm4a could be rewritten to not simply load a bunch of tables into ram, but rather recalculate them into something smaller.
15:33:51	Nico_P	Lear: that sounds complex... is it ?
15:33:54	Lear	It would mean reduced seek precision, but there could still be tens of thousands of seek points, so it wouldn't matter that much, I think.
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15:35:47	Lear	It is, a little, yes. You could check get_sample_offset (and the seek functions) in m4a.c (libm4a) to get an idea.
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15:37:10	Nico_P	sadly I'm pretty sure I'm not up to the task
15:38:59	Lear	It's not really that complicated. You just need to read up a bit on the QuickTime/MP4 file format, specifically the atoms stsc, stsz, stco and stts.
15:39:41	Lear	They just describe various sizes and offsets of data in the file, but you need all of them to find out what you want.
15:40:40	Lear	Main reason I haven't done it is lack of interest. Don't really use mp4...
15:40:51	Nico_P	pity :)
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15:42:48	JdGordon	I know doing *wbuf++ = DATA_REG; 16 times is faster than a loop, but wouldnt doing wbuf[0...15] = DATA_REG; be faster still?
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15:49:05	Lear	Depends on what kind of code the compiler generates, I guess.
15:49:25	Lear	It's basically a memset of some sort.
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15:50:09	JdGordon	yeah, but i'm thinking, if the wbuf variable doesnt need to be updated, hats 2 less mem access for each one
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15:53:41	Lear	wbuf would likely be in a register in any case, so I doubt it would matter.
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15:59:05	Nico_P	Domonoky_: I've updated the rbutil wiki page with a feisty package requiring v2.8.1
15:59:16	*	JdGordon got the sd card working again :D
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16:00:42	lyakh	any info about this one: http://www.outlet23.eu/product_info.php?language=en&products_id=11&XTCsid=15bdd02c4efce1e0e910b1b46ec295a0
16:01:12	Domonoky_	Nico_P: nice..
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16:10:03	lyakh	as a matter of fact, there appear lots of "cheap" multimedia portable players with multi-GB internal storage, some with card support, (seamingly) capable of playing mpeg4...
16:10:10	lyakh	are there attempts to port rockbox to them or development goes mainly / exclusively to improve support for existing ports?
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16:11:21	Domonoky_	lyakh: ports are done by people owning the hardware, and enough interrest and skills to do the port..
16:12:06	lyakh	anyone sponsored to do new ports?
16:12:29	JdGordon	you need to find someone willin to start a new port if you want to sponsor them
16:13:04	Domonoky_	rockbox doesnt have paid developers, but it would be nice :-)
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16:13:55	lyakh	oh, did I say I wanted to sponsor anyone?...
16:14:03	lyakh	:-)
16:14:11	lyakh	yeah, pity
16:14:20	Lear	Any Win32 wizard who can explain why FormatMessageA in io.c (uisimulator code) fails? :)
16:14:50	JdGordon	win32 or sdl?
16:15:03	Lear	It complains about an incorrect parameter.
16:15:32	JdGordon	passing a NULL string or somthing?
16:15:38	Lear	SDL sim, but I think the code in question is very old...
16:16:01	Lear	Can't see anything wrong, unless the mingw headers are incorrect or something. :)
16:20:27	lyakh	so, manufacturers arew not interested?...
16:20:56	lyakh	have there been any requests from them, resp., are there players with rockbox preinstalled?
16:24:42	*	chrisjs169 waits for another SVN commit
16:25:00	JdGordon	sansa was th eonly manufacturer with any real nicety towards us... rockbox was given a few e200's but no docs so nothing really usefull
16:25:14	*	JdGordon wonders why chrisjs169 wants a commit
16:25:41	chrisjs169	I'm trying to test something, and want to make sure it's working
16:26:07	Lear	Ah, it requires a value for va_list...
16:29:25	lyakh	I guess, if there were any, they'd be in huge red letters on rb web:-)
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16:30:46	*	JdGordon listening to music on the micro SD card again :D
16:30:50	*	JdGordon kicks ass
16:36:42	JdGordon	Slasheri: you round?
16:37:10	Buschel	preglow: are you there?
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16:58:38	Nico_P	chrisjs169: you've set your mail filter up ?
16:59:15	chrisjs169	Nico_P: yup :D
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16:59:37	Nico_P	nice :)
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17:08:34	chrisjs169	I think theres a bug with 7134 (MicroSD)
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17:24:39	chrisjs169	so yeah - with 7134, rockbox freezes on startup
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17:35:23	chrisjs169	Soap: you wouldn't have any idea why the MicroSD patch is causing rockbox to freeze up would you?
17:35:39	Soap	FS # ?
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17:56:22	Buschel	anyone around who is expert in dsp.c?
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17:58:44	Lear	Well, I did a major overhaul of it, though it was a while ago.
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18:00:07	Buschel	lear: i am not sure if the 16bit-output is done correct. it seems we have a dc-offset of about +0.5 of 32768
18:01:10	Lear	Oh? Doesn't sound much, but... :)
18:01:16	Buschel	* -0.5 of 32768 *
18:02:01	Buschel	yes, but it's a pain when trying to check accuracy of codec output vs. reference deocder
18:02:22	Lear	Ah. :) But this is on an arm target?
18:02:33	Buschel	yes
18:04:38	Lear	So clip_sample_16 that could introduce that offset, I guess.
18:05:43	Buschel	i guess sample_output_stereo should do (x + 1<<(scale−−1) )>>scale instead of x>>scale for each sample
18:06:20	Buschel	if I add this amount to the decoders output the dc-offset has gone
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18:10:30	Buschel	same happens with dithered output
18:11:12	Lear	Since it is a constant that is added, it shouldn't affect speed much.
18:11:33	Doomed	does anybody know of a patch that ignores the A in an artist when sorting with database? im trying to merge to patches together because i dont know how to code
18:12:35	Buschel	lear: but this constant depends on the codecs, so it is calculated from a variable...
18:13:19	Lear	Yes, but it doesn't need to be done within the loop.
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18:13:35	Buschel	ok, you're right ;)
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18:15:16	linuxstb_	Buschel: How are you testing accuracy? test_codec doesn't use the DSP code.
18:16:25	Buschel	ah! I didn't know, yet... gotta check the code there
18:17:22	Buschel	linux: it does the same...
18:17:55	linuxstb_	Yes, but you also mentioned dithering...
18:18:14	Buschel	yep, when enabling dithering the same amount of dc-bias is added.
18:19:40	linuxstb_	OK, I just wanted to make sure you weren't being misled.
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18:45:10	daurn	hey all
18:45:18	daurn	did anyone see the archos 5th gen pictures?
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19:22:26	kohlman--	hey
19:22:47	kohlman--	umm where do i put GB roms on my iriver?
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19:23:28	kohlman--	???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
19:23:56	kohlman--	is any1 here??
19:23:58	desowin	anywhere
19:24:09	desowin	you just click on them
19:24:17	kohlman--	ok
19:24:22	desowin	this plugin works as viewver
19:24:28	kohlman--	so right into rockbox?
19:24:47	desowin	anywhere you want
19:25:02	kohlman--	ok so i can make like a roms folder?
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19:25:18	kohlman--	and can it play GBA roms?
19:25:54	desowin	yes, roms folder sounds good, no it can't play GBA
19:26:06	kohlman--	just GB
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19:26:10	kohlman--	ok...
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19:56:36	XavierGr	I think that multirow.sty file should be commited to svn along with the other *.sty files on the /manual directory
19:57:45	XavierGr	I am compiling the manual and it will nag about that specific file, I've searched the interent to install it manual but even when I put it manuall on the tex folders it will still nag about it (unless put on the /manual folder of the repository)
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20:00:08	Ice8lue	hey there, congrats for getting recording working on the sansa =)
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20:20:36	proog	i have rockbox installed on my ipod, but since i updated the apple firmware, i cant get into rockbox anymore. how do i install the boot loader so i can get to rockbox again?
20:20:53	petur	rbutil
20:21:31	proog	rbutil?
20:21:58	petur	please read the manual: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml
20:22:49	n1s	proog: just do it like when you installed rockbox, ie with oipodpatcher (rbutil works too but is not what's described in the manual)
20:22:59	n1s	-o
20:23:13	*	petur just discovered the manual doesn't mention rbutil
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20:23:52	proog	ok
20:24:58	n1s	petur: iiuc the long-term plan is to make rbutil the official supported method of installation, which means that it should get into the manual and replace the ipodpatcher/sansapatcher/fwpatcher stuff
20:25:50	petur	I even fail to find anything on rbutil in the wiki using just links (not searching)
20:27:25	Soap	is it ready for "primetime" - or should we still be directing people to the methods currently in the manual? I am not clear on this point.
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21:05:43	chrisjs169	i don't tihnk anyone said anything about the issue with FS7134 - any idea why it freezes on the newer sansas?
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21:11:08	reppel	Hi, are there news for Ipod 2nd gen support?
21:13:29	linuxstb	Which 2nd gen?
21:14:06	reppel	ops sorry
21:14:13	reppel	2nd gen nano
21:14:13	petur	nano probably, answer = no
21:14:47	reppel	thanks guys
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21:20:45	SliMM	since it's pretty much work to do at a cubis-like game, what do you think of a game like this: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/315702
21:20:47	SliMM	?
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21:30:33	chrisjs169	any idea why using FS7134 causes the newer sansas to freeze at the rockbox logo during boot?
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22:01:07	theone	resolution should be to not start playback
22:01:36	theone	build = 070603, so sorry if it's been known and been fixed
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22:27:53	Robin0800	ipod patcher can't see my ipod now
22:29:19	Robin0800	I think it is the recent changes to detection that has broken this
22:30:22	linuxstb	What does your partition table look like?
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22:33:53	indigio3	Hello
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22:35:07	florentinschirme	Monkeys Audio is lagging on my h120
22:35:15	florentinschirme	is this an known problem?
22:35:32	linuxstb	Yes, it's stated everywhere. Only -c1000 is realtime on the h120 at the moment.
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22:36:03	indigio3	can anyone give me a hand choosing a hard drive for a M5L? I have read forums/messageboards etc before i'm flamed
22:37:04	indigio3	was wanting a 60gb single platter but not sure on the connector
22:39:39	florentinschirme	Are the Chances good to get a lagging free MA?
22:40:07	linuxstb	florentinschirme: Not really. It's a very complex codec. Do you know what compression mode your files are?
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22:41:54	linuxstb	indigio3: All I know is that the X5 has a MK2006GAL - I would guess all the X5/M5 variants use the same connector as that.
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22:42:47	petur	so it's not a ZIF but a normal IDE connector
22:43:26	petur	doesn' the M5L use a sinle platter drive?
22:43:32	petur	*single
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22:44:00	Bagder	M5L is single platter
22:44:25	PaulJam	do 60GB single platter drives even exist?
22:44:34	Bagder	I don't think so
22:44:42	indigio3	yes they do
22:44:46	indigio3	seagate made one, as did samsung
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22:44:52	Bagder	can you buy them?
22:44:54	indigio3	however, i'm having a hard time finding a distributor
22:45:03	petur	and they probably are ZIF...
22:45:06	indigio3	thats the problem.. im not even sure if they are the right interface
22:45:07	indigio3	exactly
22:45:27	indigio3	is it hard replacing the drive in the M5L?
22:45:34	chrisjs169	what would need to be done to find the key for the e200R firmware?
22:45:51	petur	indigio3: try iaudiophile.net
22:45:58	Bagder	chrisjs169: we know the key already
22:46:14	indigio3	petur: tried it
22:46:25	chrisjs169	so what's preventing rockbox from going onto the e200R series?
22:46:41	Bagder	chrisjs169: I've explained that numerous times
22:46:49	PaulJam	is it possible to use a harddrive from a different manufacturer? i thought you could only use toshiba drives.
22:46:51	Bagder	in the forums
22:47:16	Bagder	chrisjs169: basically: figure out how to replace the bootloader
22:47:45	chrisjs169	Bagder: oh, ok - sorry about that
22:48:28	chrisjs169	Bagder: are there any ideas for replacing it?
22:48:55	Bagder	I would say it takes some research
22:49:17	chrisjs169	ok
22:49:32	Bagder	the R models don't have the second partition like the vanilla ones
22:49:46	chrisjs169	yeah
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22:49:56	indigio3	what are the screws like on the case of the M5L? (I dont own one yet, see....)
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22:51:35	indigio3	torx?
22:52:53	chrisjs169	Bagder: can the bootloader actually not be replaced (without e200tool) or has the filename simply not been figured out yet?
22:53:29	Bagder	the R bootloader cannot "upgrade" bootloader
22:53:37	chrisjs169	ok
22:53:42	Bagder	but funnily we know the filename
22:54:05	Bagder	the bootloader also verifies the digital signature "properly"
22:54:10	Bagder	so it refuses to run our code
22:54:11	petur	indigio3: afaik, only pixelma has one
22:54:34	chrisjs169	ok
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22:58:13	saratoga	Bagder: does the R series allow the same array of recovery modes as the normal firmware?
22:59:08	Bagder	I think so, but since we don't know enough about it we can't for example recover the bootloader using e200tool etc
22:59:39	Bagder	someone bricked his R by screwing it badly with e200tool
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23:02:17	chrisjs169	Anyone know why FS7134 causes the latest sansas to freeze during bootup?
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23:05:59	saratoga	chrisjs169: no idea, but whats different about the new sansa's scrollwheel?
23:08:37	n1s	Anyone around that wants to test a patch? :-)
23:08:44	chrisjs169	saratoga: the 'ridges' are a lot closer together
23:08:51	chrisjs169	n1s: what kind of patch?
23:09:02		Quit DrMoos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
23:09:18	n1s	the FS #7264 one, what player do you have?
23:09:33	chrisjs169	n1s: e200
23:10:11	chrisjs169	not a coldfire target though
23:10:23	n1s	chrisjs169: well, iy shouldn't affect that, but a verification that playback and voice still works would be nice :_9
23:10:33	n1s	s/iy/it
23:10:52	chrisjs169	ok, so you want me to test it out anyway?
23:11:08	n1s	chrisjs169: yes please :-)
23:11:18	chrisjs169	n1s: ok
23:11:22	n1s	thanks
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23:14:19	linuxstb	Robin0800: What does the partition table look like on your ipod which ipodpatcher isn't recognising?
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23:14:25	saratoga	does anyone know how quickly errors propigate through an FFT?
23:14:53	indigio3	VERY!!! you're going to die!!! arggh.. ;-)
23:15:00	indigio3	sorry...
23:15:17	chrisjs169	n1s: it's just about done compiling - should have results in a min
23:16:32	n1s	chrisjs169: very nice
23:16:38		Quit PaulJam (".")
23:18:42	saratoga	also, i just noticed that both eq.c and fixedpoint.c both declare the same fsincos() function to compute trig functions with CORDIC
23:18:56	saratoga	is there some reason we don't just use one for both?
23:19:19	chrisjs169	n1s: ok, testing it
23:19:54	chrisjs169	playback works
23:20:19	n1s	chrisjs169: ah, good, could you test voice too?
23:20:46	chrisjs169	voice/recording works
23:20:50	n1s	also did you use the newest patch (the one on the bottom)
23:21:03	chrisjs169	yes
23:21:18	n1s	chrisjs169: thank you very much :-)
23:22:06	chrisjs169	n1s: no problem :)
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23:24:59	NotSoap	does it need to be said that my (work laptop) Core Duo compiles about 10,000 times faster than my K6-III 450?
23:25:07	NotSoap	dang this is nice
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23:26:57	Robin0800	linuxstb, will get back to you when i find a tool to show it ipod patcher used too but of course not lately
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23:39:48	linuxstb	Robin0800: The most likely cause is that your main partition isn't labeled as FAT32 (type 0xb). If you reformatted it, how did you do it, and does it still boot the Apple firmware OK?
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23:44:10	andreasg	Hi, I just installed the current build of rockbox on my iPod Video Black 5th Gen., it booted up fine and I could build the music database, play music and change themes, but then as I went back to the musicplayer after browsing around it just hangs and holding down play doesn't shutdown rockbox. For now I'm just waiting for the battery to empty to boot it again. How can I debug crashes?
23:47:08		Join Vic [0] (n=vmark@fctnnbsc16w-156034239056.nb.aliant.net)
23:47:17	Vic	Hello everyone.
23:47:56	Vic	I just put rockbox on my sansa and love it. I'd like to start contributing by starting out small with Wiki Access
23:48:10	Vic	I have an fm presets file for my area
23:48:30	Vic	My name is Mark Veinot
23:49:03	midkay	Vic: done. :)
23:49:28	Robin0800	linuxstb,no not apple only rockbox which of couse works fine
23:49:48	Vic	midkay: thanks! I look forward to being part of this community :)
23:49:52	saratoga	wow this fixed point fft really is garbage
23:50:06	n1s	andreasg: hold down MENU+SELECT to reset it, I dunno about on-target crash debugging on ipods
23:50:12	midkay	Vic: great, all help is useful and appreciated :)
23:50:26	saratoga	given identical inputs as the fp version, its output diverges by at least 20 bits
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23:51:32	andreasg	n1s: The battery just went out so I'm good for now :)
23:51:48	andreasg	n1s: I did hold down MENU+SELECT and that didn't work
23:52:36	n1s	andreasg: it should, but I've heard of people having to hold those buttons down for as long as 30 sec to make it reset
23:52:54	Robin0800	andreasg, it will eventualy honest
23:53:07	andreasg	ok, but does the threading system deadlock?
23:55:06	n1s	andreasg: that function is a hardware reset and should work regardless of what caused the crash
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23:55:40	andreasg	n1s: ok
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23:55:54	Robin0800	linuxstb,any one got an old ipod patcher befor the magic was taken out
23:57:55	Llorean	There shouldn't really be a use for the old one.

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