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#rockbox log for 2007-06-11

00:00:00LloreanIt's impossible to install Rockbox without the hidden partition.
00:00:56LloreanThe Apple flash bootloader loads from the hidden partition, so without one nothing will boot but emergency disk mode and diagnostic mode.
00:02:12Robin0800Llorean,Rockbox is already installed and working its the new ipodpatcher tha cant auto detect it
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00:04:20LloreanRobin0800: If Rockbox is working, why do you think the partition is gone? Feel free to pastebin your partition table and show it to me, I guess, but if it were gone Rockbox shouldn't work.
00:06:11Robin0800Llorean, Thats why I want an old ipodpatcher so Ican see the pation table
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00:07:37LloreanI highly doubt the older one will work if the current one doesn't.
00:07:40LloreanThe older one was just stricter.
00:07:51LloreanThis one should work on more, not less, iPods.
00:08:13LloreanIIUC, the "new" one just runs one less check.
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00:09:54Robin0800Llorean,the old one used to work the new one dosen't I used the old one to install rockbox three months ago
00:10:25LloreanIs this the old, old, one before autodetection and automatic installation?
00:10:49LloreanWithout a version number, I don't know which "old" one you're talking about: ipodpatcher has gone through many changes.
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00:11:19Robin0800Llorean,no auto detection used to work
00:12:09LloreanAnd you've not reformatted or in any way altered your partitions since the old one worked?
00:13:10LloreanNo need to shout.
00:13:16LloreanI'm not sure how I'm supposed to have guessed the answer to that.
00:13:33scorchejust use something like fdisk to see the partition table
00:14:16LloreanIpodpatcher can probably still at least show it to you if you give it the right device as a parameter right?
00:14:25LloreanDidn't it have a −−list option?
00:14:25Robin0800scorche,fdisk isn't in xp
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00:14:48LloreanLike "ipodpatcher 1 −−list" or something similar?
00:14:52*Llorean can't remember the parameters anymore
00:14:53linuxstb_Can't rockbox show the partition layout (in the Debug menu)?
00:17:31Robin0800linuxstb,yes it can I ve just done it
00:18:04linuxstb_And what type is the main partition? As I said, it must be 0xb for ipodpatcher to recognise it.
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00:26:33Robin0800linuxstb, this is the info
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00:28:24linuxstb_That's why ipodpatcher doesn't recognise it - the type of the main partition is C, not B like all other ipods.
00:28:44linuxstb_How did you reformat it? Did you also repartition?
00:29:33linuxstb_And I didn't understand your earlier answer - does the Apple firmware not work, or do you not have the Apple firmware installed?
00:30:39Robin0800linuxstb, i used fat32format for 60gb did not repartion
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00:31:17Robin0800linuxstb,no apple installed
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00:34:04Robin0800linuxstb,thats the T:C you mean?
00:34:41linuxstb_OK, it's fat32format's fault (the source is available, and I've just checked what it does). It changes the partition type to 0xC.
00:35:25linuxstb_Yes, T: means Type.
00:36:26Robin0800linuxstb,I believe there is an HP format tool does thst work correctly?
00:37:54Robin0800linuxstb whats the difference between 0xB and 0xC?
00:39:44Robin0800linuxstb,is this all to do with LBA because of larger thn 32 GB
00:39:52linuxstb_0xc is LBA (required for disks > 137GB). fat32formatter sets that partition type to stop Windows 98 getting confused with large disks - but it does it regardless of the size of the disk.
00:40:30amiconnLBA is already required for >~8GB
00:40:38linuxstb_But anyway, it's no problem to make ipodpatcher look for 0xc partitions as well - try this version -
00:40:57linuxstb_Sorry, I meant 48-bit LBA
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00:41:34linuxstb_I'm just quoting the comments in the fat32formatter source code which try to explain why it changes the partition type...
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00:42:05amiconnlinuxstb: Yeah, but type 0xC is for FAT32 with LBA (all kinds, not only LBA48)
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00:42:29smaddycan you use rockbox with ipod shuffle
00:42:32*linuxstb_ wonders if fat32formatter works on the 80GB - it would be trivial to port to Linux/Mac OS X.
00:42:59n1ssmaddy: no
00:43:10smaddywhy not
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00:43:41Lloreansmaddy: Nobody who owns a shuffle has done the porting work to get Rockbox running on that type of hardware.
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00:48:16smaddywould i able to use ipod shuffle as USB flashdrive?
00:48:48saratogawhat are you asking?
00:49:31linuxstb_Robin0800: Did that ipodpatcher work?
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00:54:28smaddydo i have you use itunes to use ipod shuffle
00:54:56Robin0800linuxstb,80 gb no problem I think the max is 320 gb
00:55:24amiconnlinuxstb: In fact partition type 0xC is the correct one for FAT32 partitions which go beyong the CHS barrier (i.e. all targets with disks >8GB)
00:55:39linuxstb_Robin0800: I meant the 80GB ipod video - some fat32 formatters seem to create filesystems with problems.
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00:57:01linuxstb_amiconn: That's odd - I'm sure all my Rockboxed devices are 0xb. (ipods are definitely all 0xb)
00:57:45andreasgsmaddy: you can probably use gnupod or gtkpod
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00:58:28smaddydo they support drm files?
00:58:33amiconnlinuxstb: Linus' G5.5 also has the wrong type (0xb). All my other large-hdd targets have 0xc
00:59:45Robin0800linuxstb,this is the ipod patcher output
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01:00:09Lloreansmaddy: Your best bet is to go and do some research. This isn't really the appropriate place to find out about those programs
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01:00:51andreasgsmaddy: they're basicly tools to upload stuff to your ipod, they handle uploads and updating the db, it's not firmware
01:01:20smaddydoes rockbox support DRM?
01:01:21andreasgLlorean: you have a point there
01:01:28Lloreansmaddy: No.
01:01:38smaddywhy not
01:01:39amiconnThe mini uses 0xb too, but that's correct (small enough to be chs addressable)
01:01:59Lloreansmaddy: 1) Many of us are philosophically against it. 2) Legal restrictions prevent it from being possible anyway
01:02:28Robin0800linuxstb,change ipodpatcher to look for both?
01:02:52linuxstb_Robin0800: I already have done - that's the ipodpatcher you're using.
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01:03:35Robin0800linuxstb_,great many thanks
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01:04:26linuxstb_Robin0800: The official release hasn't been updated yet, so keep hold of that copy...
01:05:18Robin0800linuxstb,I see mine says win95 fat 32 LBA is that 0xC
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01:06:36linuxstb_I mean yes
01:07:06Robin0800linuxstb,yes ill keep it safe just in case I have to reinstall
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01:11:19saratogais there some trick to get the abs() of a 2's comp int without branches?
01:11:33saratogalike masking off the most significant bit?
01:19:52andreasgif you mask it off you'll have to add it back up to get the correct abs for negative numbers
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01:20:28amiconnThat's only possible on arm afaik (using conditional execution)
01:21:54andreasgyou could perhats shift off the msb store it then right shift and add the stored bit, however I have a feeling there's a better way to do it
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01:22:56saratogathats complicated enough that i'll worry about that optimazation later
01:23:21andreasgsaratoga: well, it saves you a branch :)
01:24:54saratogadoes anyone here know about how fixed point ffts are rescaled at each step?
01:25:02saratogai only sort of understand the idea
01:29:46Robin0800linuxstb,I see its now been commited that was quick can fat32format tool be added somwhere in the wiki not sure where: instalation if dual boot not required?
01:31:47linuxstb_Probably best not to recommend fat32format until a new release of ipodpatcher has been made. You don't need to use it to remove the Apple firmware though.
01:32:59LloreanI wouldn't really recommend any tool that breaks the Apple firmware, considering how often people completely ignore any warnings posted as it is.
01:33:10LloreanWhat license is fat32format though?
01:33:17linuxstb_It's GPL'd
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01:33:57linuxstb_What do you mean about it breaking the Apple firmware? It's just a disk formatter.
01:34:38LloreanAh, I got the impression it did from Robin suggesting it for people who didn't need the Apple firmware
01:34:48Robin0800svn seems to be down?
01:35:39LloreanOn a slightly related note, now that we no longer look for the Apple magic, is it possible to create MBRs that we could distribute with RBUtil so it can do the conversion from HFS on its own?
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01:36:57linuxstb_You don't want to create MBRs - ipodpatcher can read the partition map from a Macpod, so it just needs an option to write it back as a DOS Partition Table.
01:37:44LloreanAh, gotcha.
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03:16:36Doomedshould be getting a replacement mobo for my H120 this week =D. ill be running rockbox on an H120, H340, and a 4g b/w ipod
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04:17:47JdGordonjhMikeS: you round?
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04:29:47_jah_hmm ... i'm getting all kinds of lockups on my 30g ipod photo using the current build ... anyone else in the same boat?
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04:53:53saratogagot WMA integer decoding working properly for my test file :)
04:54:08saratogacan't ABX Windows and ffmpeg Integer
04:56:01LloreanYou going to post a patch to ffmpeg with the integer decoder working once it's 'done'?
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05:04:56saratogaI don't know
05:05:06saratogai'd like to, but its not clear how that would work
05:05:34saratogait would also be a lot of work, sinec I'd have to sync my version with theirs, and they've drifted a lot
05:05:42saratogatime permitting I'd like to though
05:06:03LloreanWell, that makes sense.
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05:07:13saratogaSNR of my decoder verses the fp one is 67 dB
05:07:29saratogashould be enough that no one complains
05:08:37LloreanI get the impression WMA gets used most often in a space saving at the cost of quality capacity anyway.
05:09:06jhMikeSJdGordon: spottily
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05:43:30B1zzi read the manual for rockbox for the iriver h300 series, i did not see anything on video. I was just wondering if there is any video support in rockbox, i mean the original firmware has it.
05:43:50DoomedB1zz look up mpeg player in the wiki
05:44:10B1zzthanks doomed
05:44:40Doomedneed a link
05:44:56B1zznope, looking at it atm
05:45:08Doomedok np
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06:16:04B1zzhow does one apply patches? i have an Iriver h300 series and there is a video patch.
06:16:22scorcheB1zz: see the wiki page SimpleGuideToCompiling
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06:31:29toffe82How do you add a page on the wiki ?
06:33:10scorchetoffe82: type the name you want int the "go to" box, and it will say that that page doesnt exist and ask you if you want to make a new one
06:33:55toffe82ok , thanks, I will post the photo of the gigabeat v30
06:34:56LloreanJust type in what would be the URL for the page, and go from there
06:35:30scorchesame thing =)
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06:44:29Malpinenoob question: how do I find my music?
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06:45:42gantrixxdoes the container (such as ogg or mp4) change the fidelity of the music?
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06:56:08jbahey fellas, it's been a while
06:56:10jbamarkun, you awake?
06:56:39toffe82hey jba
06:57:47jbahey toffe82 long time no see
06:58:00jbai heard you were helping with the hardware effort on the gigabeat s?
06:58:10jbamy x is rocking more than ever
06:58:30toffe82yes and I just upload the photos of the V30 which as the same electronic as the S
06:58:40toffe82I have a X also
06:59:45scorcheLlorean: there?
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07:11:27toffe82you can have a look on the V30 there :
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07:16:23MX-Gwhy i cant be able to play .mp4 files?
07:17:35scorchebecause Mpegplayer doesnt suppot them
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07:18:44MX-Gwhat does it support?
07:19:09scorchesee the wiki page PluginMpegplayer
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07:29:46MX-Gthanks =)
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07:42:29lymecaIs there a way I can have Rockbox *not* enter USB mode and boot Apple's disk mode software when I plug in the USB cable to my 4th gen iPod?
07:42:43lymecaI'd like it to just charge sometimes and listen to music whilst charging off of USB.
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07:43:58scorchehold menu while inserting the cable
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07:47:13lymecascorche: Awesome... should there be any UI notifications of charging status?
07:47:44scorchethe battery icon on the status bar will change
07:47:53lymecaAlso, can I make this the default behavior and hold menu to enter Apple's disk mode? wanted to hold menu to enter apple's disk mode?
07:48:48lymecaYes... I'd rather it merely stay in Rockbox and charge when I plug in to USB
07:48:56lymecaAs a default action anyway.
07:49:12scorchethen not really unless you change it yourself
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07:49:35lymecaYes but is there a way to change it myself other than hacking the code?
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07:51:58neutralrobotboymy h300 appears to be charging via usb while connected to my computer as an external hd. is that right?
07:53:18scorchethose devices do support charging over usb, yes
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07:54:15indigio3anyone know if any seagate drives (especially the lyrions) fit/are compat with the M5L?
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07:54:44scorcheyou were told to ask somewhere else, i believe...
07:56:02indigio3been there.. no help
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08:25:36lch_howdy folks
08:25:50lch_what's the current premier hardware to run rockbox on?
08:26:03lch_my h340 is slowly dying
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08:28:55amiconnAll the rockbox targets have their pros and cons. It depends on what features you want most
08:29:09lch_afaics, the h340 is the only one with line in and fm and microphone
08:29:14lch_... but honest I never really used those
08:29:26lch_I guess the main thing is realtime FLAC and a color screen
08:29:35lch_and preferably long battery life
08:29:54lch_I saw on the wiki that the ipod 80gb battery life is about half of what Apple's roms gets
08:30:02lch_how's the battery life on the gigabeat f40?
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08:33:44amiconnI don't know
08:34:00amiconnIf you want long battery life, you could consider the X5L
08:34:19amiconnAnd btw, the h300 is not the only one with line in + fm + mic
08:34:37lch_X5L = gigabeat 5gb ?
08:34:49lch_oh, no, I see it
08:34:54lch_"cowon", never heard of it
08:35:06lch_what other players have line in + fm + mic?
08:36:18lch_ah, x5l has those too
08:37:03amiconnStarting from the ooold archos fm recorder and Ondio FM, then the iriver h100 and h300 series, iaudio X5 series
08:37:15amiconn(except the x5v)
08:37:48lch_archos fm was my first rockbox rig−−sadly, it was junk, and unfixable when it failed
08:38:09amiconnNot sure whether the iriver h10 has line in and mic. The Sansa has mic + fm, but no line in. And its recording capabilites are crap, imho
08:38:32lch_it looks like the x5v has above-average audio quality
08:38:43amiconnDon't get the 'v' if you want fm
08:38:46lch_the h340 was sort of the audiophile-preferred rig back in the day, iirc
08:39:04lch_my mistake, I'm looking at the X5L on amazon right now
08:39:21amiconnThe audio quality (at least the headphone out) of the x5 is better than that of the irivers, imho
08:40:15lch_how's the rockbox ui on the iaudio? I'm used to the iriver; people are complaining about the lack of a "stop" button
08:40:31lch_it looks like it just doesn't have enough buttons
08:41:06lch_and you need some weedy external box in order to use usb or power
08:41:45amiconnYes, and line in/out
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08:48:59lch_is the touchpad ui on the gigabeat pretty slick with rockbox?
08:49:06lch_or is it sadly clunky?
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08:50:07LinusNlch_: try it out
08:50:39lch_LinusN: besides buying a gigabeat and installing rockbox... how would I do that?
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08:51:34GodEater_lch_: well how would we know how you define "pretty slick" or "sadly clunkly"
08:52:06amiconnLinusN: Since the 1.8" hdd manufacturers all seem to move towards zif connectors (or ce-ata), do you think it would be possible to make a zif adapter for the irivers and iaudios?
08:52:26amiconnI.e. would such an adapter fit, or isn't there enough room?
08:52:48LinusNi'd say that it would be hard, not much room
08:52:51*amiconn doesn't remember right now, and also didn't fiddle with zif connectors yet
08:53:30GodEater_amiconn: I only changed the battery in my H140 recently, and from that experience I'd say there's absolutely no room at all
08:53:51LinusNamiconn: but worth a try...
08:54:12*amiconn wonders why there are meanwhile 4 different connectors for 1.8" HHDs
08:54:33LinusNyou would have to solder the strip right onto the adapter board
08:55:01lch_GodEater_: I guess I should be more specific. does the rockbox port only support tapping, to simulate button presses, or does it do stuff with press-and-drag?
08:55:18GodEater_it only supports tapping currently
08:55:29GodEater_there are plans to maybe use press and drag
08:55:30LinusNand there would still not be much room for the adapter
08:55:41GodEater_but we don't know what to use it for yet :)
08:55:45amiconnHmm, that could be an alternative
08:55:59amiconnIirc the hdd is connected via a flexible strip in the iaudios
08:56:02LinusNi'd have to compare the dimensions of the two hard drives
08:56:10amiconnOne could replace the whole strip
08:56:46GodEater_this sounds like pretty drastic work with a soldering iron =/
08:56:47LinusNiaudio x5 should be much easier than h100
08:57:07*GodEater_ lacks l33t soldering skills
08:57:08lch_GodEater_: how are the buttons mapped on the WPS?
08:57:36GodEater_lch_: you'd best consult that manual for an accurate listing - I couldn't recite them off the top of my head
08:57:40lch_me too−−I spent hours today trying to fix the dc power socket on my iriver, and have finally given up
08:57:43LinusNfood for thought
08:58:45amiconnThat raises the question where to get the base material for flexible pcbs
08:58:48GodEater_is Antoine Cellerier a new developer?
08:59:00*GodEater_ doesn't recall seeing the name before
08:59:08amiconnI tried to find such material recently (for a completely different purpose), but failed :(
08:59:16amiconnGodEater: nope
09:00:09scorcheGodEater: that is dionoea i believe
09:00:24GodEater_not in the nick list on the wiki
09:00:32GodEater_so I couldn't work it out on my own
09:00:40B4gder :-)
09:00:51amiconnYes, and he's been around for years. #83 in CREDITS
09:01:54*B4gder likes the "comment ratio" ;-)
09:02:35lch_does the ipod port support using the scroll wheel to pick your volume / seek in the current track / scroll through menus, as the native ipod roms do?
09:02:41amiconnWow, these people at ohloh seem to have too much time
09:03:00B4gderamiconn: they do seem to have some sort of business idea...
09:03:12scorchelch_: not seek
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09:09:39lch_well, thanks for the facts; I still haven't made up my mind tho
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09:19:36peturgoodmorning austriancoder, how's usb today? ;)
09:20:57austriancoderpetur: quite good... I have some basic stuff... interface for ep management and at the moment i am looking the for a good way to handle irq's from usb hardware
09:21:49peturusing the wasabi stack as base?
09:22:39*austriancoder thinks rockbox needs a simple doubly linked list implementation
09:23:12B4gderI've been thinking about borrowing some list stuff from the linux kernel
09:23:21B4gderbut I've never gotten around to actually do it
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09:23:45austriancoderpetur: as wasabi is only for otg, and I want to test my hardware interface for device mode, so i have not done anything with wasabi
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09:24:00austriancoderB4gder: sounds like a good idea :)
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09:26:11peturaustriancoder: I'm kicking it around a bit, I hope to get it do the host stuff I want pretty soon. Yesterday, I managed to get some stand-alone code start up an attached device (no transfers), and the same code failed after I let wasabi init the chip. So I feel that if I find the issue in the wasabi init, I may get usbotg rolling...
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09:27:17*petur kicks payed work for making him do overtime
09:27:49*austriancoder hopes to get some basic device stack working today...
09:29:01JdGordonhey all, does ayone mind If 1 letter in one of the fonts is changed sightly to make it more readbale?
09:29:26peturreadbale :)
09:29:35B4gderreadbale is good
09:30:36JdGordonbeh, readable...
09:30:51JdGordonbeh = something between meh and bah :p
09:30:59*pondlife preferred readbale anyway
09:31:29JdGordonso, ah, yes or no?
09:32:01B4gderlots of font stuff have been fixed before, I don't see why we would mind now
09:32:22B4gderimprovements == good imo
09:33:17JdGordonok cool, ill do that a bit later then
09:40:12JdGordonZagor: hey, can you add a line at the top of flyspray to tell people not to post comments saying a patch isnt in sync anymore?
09:40:50JdGordonjhMikeS: still round?
09:46:37ZagorJdGordon: I'll do even better: a line of text just above the comment box
09:47:08JdGordon:) just getting sick of those comments
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09:51:01jhMikeSJdGordon: yus
09:51:30jhMikeSwhat's up?
09:51:38JdGordonis the priority yield really nesaccery? Removing it seems to make the whole thing work
09:52:17JdGordonI actually pinged you because I got confused at what volume you were talking about in the comment :) im fiddling wit the iit sequence to see if that fixes anything
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09:52:32jhMikeSyes, it'll show that is it is. why there should be trouble with that makes no sense.
09:53:30JdGordonjust got the EC_COMMAND panic :(
09:53:35jhMikeSdo you mean just having no yield?
09:54:21JdGordonno, after fiddling with the init
09:54:46jhMikeSI was talking about your comment about removing it
09:55:52JdGordonyeah, removing the yield doesnt cause any extra problems
09:55:55jhMikeSI'm guessing the yield can make a timeout occur and it's really not in the right place anyway. More generous timeout is probably called for anyway.
10:00:04jhMikeShmmm...I'm shooting in the dark about some stuff atm anyway. I need the SD card info to see what really _should_ be done.
10:03:50linuxstb_JdGordon: Why don't you like a "this patch is out of sync" comment in flyspray? IMO, it's useful to have that information in the task so people who are not capable of syncing it know to not attempt to apply it. It also tells a potential committer the current status.
10:04:39peturaustriancoder: that wasabi stack should be able to do both host, device and otg, but I guess the device part is much simpler than host and otg... If we don't need wasabi I'll probably do the host stuff on my own then ( I had kind of hoped you would take a stack that does both host and device (like wasabi) and do the integration stuff so that I only had to focus on getting the isp1362 stuff working)
10:05:06JdGordonlinuxstb_: they annoy me because either the devs are still workin on it, so they know its out of sync, or a potential commiter would realisewhent hey try patching it...
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10:06:20linuxstb_JdGordon: Only a tiny number of patches are currently being actively developed - in general, people post and run.
10:06:45linuxstb_I agree for those kinds of patches, constant "out of sync" messages could be annoying, but in general I think they're helpful.
10:07:25JdGordonOK, yeah I guess that makes sense..
10:08:27austriancoderpetur: at the moment i am only doing a proof-of-conecpt to see how it could work.. I only want to get Standard-Requests working. Then, I will look how to integrate it into wasabi. One thing i dint like that much about wasabi is that its source code is not well formated. You can conzentrate on wokring n isp3292 stuff... hope this is okay for you
10:08:52jhMikeSJdGordon: seems odd the problems only come when using the second card. I'm using the driver right now but no card and things seem to run...but it's not the pure patch.
10:09:32linuxstb_JdGordon: But Zagor obviously agreed with you, and no-one else objected...
10:09:42JdGordonjhMikeS: I guess the internal chip is much faster than the external one which could cause the problem?
10:10:31jhMikeScould there any difference in buffering speed between them?
10:10:54JdGordonlinuxstb_: actually, I think the thing that really pisses me off is getting emails about the patches that they know full well has not ben forgotten about
10:11:15JdGordonjhMikeS: no idea... have we got any way to test that?
10:11:49jhMikeSa steady 1,2,3...and the audio debug screen :)
10:12:17jhMikeSsame data from both sources of course
10:12:40peturaustriancoder: I agree on the wasabi code formatting ;) But as the code isn't actively developed, we can make it our own and clean up as we go. In fact, my hacking around has made it worse :D
10:13:11austriancoderpetur: this sounds like a very good idea
10:13:51ZagorJdGordon, linuxstb_: message removed again, it didn't feel quite right after all. ping me again if it becomes a problem.
10:14:09austriancoderpetur: If I can react on interrupts from sansas hardware, I can tell you more about the device driver side
10:15:14JdGordonjhMikeS: Ive added some code so we can at least try to be scientific about it :p
10:15:30JdGordonhave to get the same tracks on both... gimme a few min and ill let you know how I go
10:15:35peturaustriancoder: I would also think it is a good idea if you would write down what you're doing in a wiki page so that it is easier for me to follow up. Just a short progress report, better updated frequently with short notices than write a lot every week. If you get the idea ;)
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10:16:23austriancoderpetur: no problem.. i have here some handdrawings... will scan them and put them online
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10:18:23jhMikeSmaybe a small plugin to benchmark transfers?
10:20:40*jhMikeS actually added yielding to both loops with a rearrangement of code and everything seems to still run ok
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10:21:49JdGordonjhMikeS: no, added a counter to the playback buffering function
10:22:00JdGordonme put the timer display on the wrong debug screen tohhuogh
10:22:10JdGordonhwcoded instead fo swcodec accidently :p
10:22:46pixelmajhMikeS, JdGordon: there is the test_disk plugin to measure these things I believe (not a 100% sure that's what you're looking for though). AFAIK the svn version only works with the internal memory but amiconn send me one which measures MMC on the Ondio - don't know what's involved to get it working.
10:23:00austriancoderwhat do you think of using a double linked list, for isr? Something like, register_irq/isp(GPIO_PORT, PIN, function_pointer); Then in system-**.c setup for every gpio a list. If an interrupt on a GPIO happen, look on which pin and call all registerd isr routines
10:23:23JdGordonpixelma: ah, thanks
10:25:46jhMikeSaustriancoder: why doubly linked? all ports need polling anyway
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10:27:04*petur wonders who needs to move backwards in a list of chained irq routines
10:27:11jhMikeSfrankly an array would be fine since the list is pretty much stable...and PIN must be a bitmask
10:28:24pixelmabtw. with MMCs there are very noticeable differences in the cards themselves maybe that applays to (micro)SD as well?
10:28:30austriancoderjhMikeS: why do all ports need pooling? I thought cpu says that there is an interupt and general irq routine is called.. now in rockbox main irc call we can look for the source and call all registerd function pointers... array is okay and PIN == bitmask
10:29:37jhMikeSyou only know a GPIO interrupt occurred, not which one caused it until inspecting each GPIOx_INT_STAT
10:30:59jhMikeSI suppose multiple GPIO interrupts could happen at once as well
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10:32:41linuxstbsafetydan: Oops, sorry about posting that comment to your sorting tags post at the same time you posted a patch which did what my comment was describing...
10:32:59jhMikeSpixelma: I've been under the impression it's the same memory chips but maybe not :|
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10:35:38pondlifeoops, red.
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10:41:54pondlifeHmm, anyone able to see what I borked?
10:42:19pondlifethe Archos sims fail to link - undefined reference to `_talk_menus_enabled.
10:42:29pondlifeBut talk.c is included (well, talk_id links ok).
10:43:24pondlifeSomething stupid that I can't see on a Monday morning I hope.
10:43:27dionoeaHello. pixelma did you get your minesweeper keymap change for iPod to compile again?
10:43:38austriancoderwhats the difference betwwen DEBUGF and LOGF?
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10:44:23pondlifeLOGF logs to memory, DEBUF to a file...
10:44:32pondlifeDEBUGF, even.
10:46:00austriancoderpondlife: thanks
10:46:02linuxstbpondlife: talk.c is surrounded by #if !defined(SIMULATOR) || CONFIG_CODEC == SWCODEC in apps/SOURCES, so it won't be included in HWCODEC sims.
10:47:21amiconnpondlife: Re the red sims - the hwcodec sims have no audio, hence no voice either.
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10:54:13austriancoderno partion found... whats going on with my sansa :(
10:54:57amiconnDEBUGF doesn't log to a file. In the sim it logs to the console, on target it's only usable when there is some interface to gdb. On archos you can use the serial i/f, and afaik on iFP there is an usb i/f. No other targets offer DEBUGF support afaik
10:55:31pondlifeWhilst it's a bit useless with no audio, could I not remove the #if !defined(SIMULATOR) stuff. That would be the easiest fix, and I always prefer to remove #ifdef SIMULATORS... Voice file memory allocation should be simulated, if not playback...
10:56:08austriancoderamiconn: build rockbock with logf support
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10:58:43*preglow back
10:59:55markunwelcome back :)
11:00:28pondlifeOr I can just add the stubs in .. oh, how I love stubs :/
11:02:55GodEater_Heh - I see the Zunelinux post when precisely nowhere over the weekend
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11:04:44safetydanlinuxstb: no worries. Should have done it in the first place anyway.
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11:15:24markunGodEater_: my guess is that he expected us to say "Great idea! We will all buy zunes and do all the work"
11:16:18GodEater_markun: heheh - yep
11:16:19scorcheim sure if he ever got a few developers to do all of the work for him, he would take all of the credit as "founder of the zunelinux project"
11:16:34markunof course
11:16:38GodEater_I also noticed Zunepet has already posted in the zunelinux forums following the "BIG NEWS UPDATE" mp3
11:16:39JdGordonjhMikeS: ok with my really bad testing method.. it seems the sd card is twice as fst as the internal !
11:16:49scorcheGodEater: yeah...that was amusing
11:16:51GodEater_so I'm guessing he doesn't really want to speak to him
11:17:04GodEater_since Zunepet was less than complimentary :)
11:18:04scorchei love how they have posts asking for oink invites on their forums as well...
11:18:21jhMikeSJdGordon: ummm...hmmmm....shame on SanDisk :)
11:18:22scorchenot to mention most everyone on there are wannabe youngsters ;)
11:18:36markunHe's so modest :)
11:18:59GodEater_markun: I assume that's the "I ate at Taco Bell forever to save money" post ?
11:19:12JdGordonjhMikeS: yeah, na it must be wrong.. im fiddling with test_disk to get it t test both drives now
11:19:16*jhMikeS is a wanna-not-be quite so oldster
11:19:18scorche"OK, so from now on, Fridays will generally be my announcement day. You're not guaranteed a blockbuster announcement (obviously) but I'll let you know exactly what is going on. Hopefully this will silence some of the critics of this project." hehe
11:19:37GodEater_scorche: yeah - so his announcement this week was that there will be announcements
11:19:41GodEater_very informative
11:20:00GodEater_I can barely wait till next Friday
11:20:20scorchei love how he is prioritizing the money donated to go towards buying a vBulletin license to "attract developers to the site"
11:20:27GodEater_which will probably announce he's suspending the annoucements due to a stomach bug picked up at Taco Bell
11:22:32GodEater_he must travel a lot too - to attend classes fulltime at 7 universities
11:22:38scorcheGodEater: i love the post after the linked one =
11:22:58GodEater_hehehe yeah :)
11:23:36scorchehahaha "I'll be sending you all a client shortly to aid in a distributed crack of the Zune key."
11:23:50scorcheeven if he had 100 clients...does he have any idea how long that would take?
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11:25:33GodEater_scorche: lets face it, he has no idea about anything
11:25:51scorcheaye, but it is amusing =)
11:26:01GodEater_endlessly yes
11:27:37dionoeathis kind of reminds me the website ... they got lots of donations but didn't do anything with it. Kind of suspicious
11:27:42dionoea(Linux on Wii)
11:27:44pondlifeIndeed - the "Official release of Zune Linux and global release party. (TBA) " cracks me up every time..
11:28:04pondlifeThe Fundraiser thread is the most active one...
11:29:00peturshow us your wiili :)
11:29:46scorchehmmm...anyone have anything that would be good to talk about for DCW?
11:30:23scorche(just curious if there was anything else people would want discussed)
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11:31:54JdGordonis there a wiki page for test_disk results?
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11:36:06JdGordon! test_disk seems to agree.. my sd card is faster than the internal storage
11:39:14dionoeaAny idea about the difference in power consumption for the SD card compared to the harddrive ? (If that's a target with a harddrive)
11:40:24JdGordonno idea
11:40:40JdGordonthe internal storage is up to 8gb though and the sd is only as much as 2gb cards
11:41:27JdGordonalthough, we arn't using dma for the disk access are we? prob why its so slow
11:42:17preglowi've seen 4 gig cards
11:42:55preglowhas anyone figured out how portalplayer dma works?
11:43:59linuxstbMrH wrote a short description of it, but I don't think anyone has got it working. (I think it's in his NAND flash document on Bagder's site)
11:44:23preglowhe's a saint, i tell you
11:46:52JdGordonhmm.. its only small files which the sd card is faster at.. the big ones are about the same speed
11:49:45linuxstbpreglow: Do you have any idea if it's faster on PP to do ldm/stm operations, or to try and do individual ldr/str commands and interleave them with register-only operations?
11:49:46amiconnSplit block problem... same as on MMC
11:50:06amiconnJdGordon: I take it you're measuring on an e200 with 4gb internal chips?
11:50:21JdGordon2gb internal;
11:50:56JdGordonI assume the numberin he brackets is the filesize?
11:53:24JdGordon512byte tests are al faster with he external card, and 1mb unaligned also
11:53:32JdGordonall* the*
11:55:56amiconnAnd what external card? 1GB?
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11:56:55JdGordontested 2 of them, both very similar speeds
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12:06:11preglowlinuxstb: ldm/stm should be faster
12:06:18preglowlinuxstb: what would the point of them be if not?
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12:12:41preglowhow does sansa charging work? usb?
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12:13:46PaulJamamiconn: you were earlier asking about ZIF connector drives in irivers and iaudios. someone posted this on MR some time ago:
12:14:00PaulJami thought it might interest you.
12:16:01linuxstbpreglow: I guess my question is whether the CPU will continue processing and execute a register-only instruction before the ldr/str is completed?
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12:22:35austriancoderpreglow: yes... usb
12:23:19preglowlinuxstb: not the ipod cpu, arm9 and above might
12:23:46preglowaustriancoder: does it start up when inserting usb, or just start charging silently?
12:24:47preglowlinuxstb: i think doing ldm/stm would be faster anyway if you actually need to do sequantial accesses, each ldr/str is a three cycle (ideally) deal, ldm is num_reg + 2 cycles ideally, or something
12:25:00austriancoderpreglow: if player is off and you connect usb to it, the original fw will be loaded and usb mode starts.. if the player is in rockbox.. usb screen will come and nothing more..
12:25:03preglowlinuxstb: and i don't think more than one cycle will be shaved off ldr/str on arm9, but i don't know
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12:25:42preglowaustriancoder: so rockbox does not handle charging yet? what i'm looking for is pretty much the ipod behaviour where if you plug usb when it's off, rockbox starts and charges
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12:26:11austriancodercharging is done when usb is connected... in usb mode
12:26:56preglowok, so no rockbox charging yet
12:27:04preglowhow's the usb gsoc stuff coming along, btw? :)
12:28:08JdGordonamiconn: im bored, can you explain your viewports idea to me so I can have a play?
12:28:14austriancoderpreglow: it should charge under rockbox too.. (when you see rockbox usb logo)
12:28:44austriancoderpreglow: at the moment i am wokring to get standard usb requests working
12:28:54preglowoh, ok, but it doesn't boot to rockbox if you insert usb when it's off? is that changable?
12:31:24austriancodercorrect.. it does not boot rockbox.. but charing is then done in original fw in usb mode
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12:33:22austriancoderRockbox does not start: No partiton :( If i use a prebuild from it boots...
12:35:05austriancoderI reinstalled compiler and co with tools/
12:38:30nlsaustriancoder: the obvious question, have you made any modifications to your source?
12:42:11linuxstbpreglow: Have you seen ?
12:43:48*nls wants coldfire testers for FS #7264
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12:53:55aLtair27godeater please respond
12:54:08aLtair27i need someone to help me..
12:56:11GodEater_aLtair27: check the forum post again =)
12:57:37GodEater_you can respond here though
12:57:40GodEater_it's probably easier
12:59:15aLtair27i think so
12:59:24aLtair27but also i already posted
12:59:37GodEater_yes, but you also said you'd drained the battery
12:59:48GodEater_I was trying to work out if it had run out now or not
12:59:51GodEater_clearly it hasn't
13:00:05GodEater_otherwise it wouldn't still be displaying that text
13:00:39aLtair27i drained it but after charging it still gives that message
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13:00:57GodEater_so how long have you held the menu+select combo ?
13:01:46aLtair27about 15-20 secs
13:01:59GodEater_hold it longer
13:02:08GodEater_and make SURE you do the hold on->off trick first
13:02:15aLtair27i didi it
13:02:20aLtair27is says now do not disconnect
13:02:25GodEater_ta da
13:02:31aLtair27almost 3 mins i help the menu selct combo
13:02:32GodEater_now copy the files over you missed first time
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13:02:48aLtair27ok now where should i start
13:02:53safetydannls: is there any other way to let gcc optimise memcpy/memset without the wrapper functions in each plugin?
13:03:00aLtair27sorry im slow in responding cuz im not that good in english
13:03:10GodEater_aLtair27: take the, and unzip it to the root of your ipod
13:03:39GodEater_as it says to do in section 2.2.2 of the manual
13:03:45aLtair27so i have to download it in download section right?
13:03:57GodEater_the "current builds" section
13:04:11linuxstbsafetydan: Put them in the plugin lib?
13:04:22nlssafetydan: well, they could be placed in some included file or we could try to find every place where gcc tries to call memcpy/memset and call them through the plugin api explicitly...
13:04:23GodEater_download the ipod Video 64MB build for you ipod aLtair27
13:04:45preglowlinuxstb: i have, and am planning to have a look at that and the musepack patch later today
13:04:48preglowhopefully commit
13:05:00aLtair27mine is 5.5g 80gig so i'll download 64mb build?
13:05:01GodEater_if I had a penny for every time someone said "I've bricked my iPod"
13:05:11GodEater_I'd have about 17 pence
13:05:16preglowsweet lord, it's hot
13:05:31nlspreglow: aye :-)
13:05:37aLtair27btw how can i remove the first program i installed i think it should be removed and start again
13:05:46GodEater_aLtair27: just leave it alone
13:05:50GodEater_aLtair27: it's fine
13:05:58aLtair27ok ^^
13:07:35aLtair27ok now what should i do nxt?
13:07:44GodEater_aLtair27: I've said twice now :)
13:08:03GodEater_if you're still in doubt - re-read section 2.2.2 of the manual
13:08:37aLtair27yeah im gonna put it in my iPod_control folder right?
13:08:45GodEater_it doesn't say to put it there
13:09:15GodEater_also read section 2.2.3 :)
13:09:53aLtair27yeah currently downloading new copy haha lol
13:10:34GodEater_@everyone in general - anyone know why there's no pdf version of the ipod video manual ?
13:10:51GodEater_or more specifically - why there's no link to it
13:11:30B4gderah, I wonder if that broke when we added the 64mb...
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13:11:59GodEater_in the words of Honk Kong Phooey - "could be..."
13:12:09GodEater_or perhaps Hong Kong Phooey
13:12:25*GodEater_ goes to buy typing lessons
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13:13:10B4gderit's too late to learn, let's blame the kids of today instead
13:15:03GodEater_them and their new-fangled computermabobs
13:15:42*GodEater_ realises he still attributed the quote wrong anyway - it was "Henry, the mild-mannered janitor" who said that.
13:16:15aLtair27godeater im actually confused cant relate im confused in what part am i now of installation?
13:16:32GodEater_aLtair27: you've already done section 2.2.4
13:16:40GodEater_aLtair27: you need to make sure you now do 2.2.3
13:17:41GodEater_alberink: also - don't bother doing section 2.2.4 again - once is enough
13:18:01GodEater_oops, wrong nick
13:18:12aLtair27what does root of your player mean?
13:18:21aLtair27i mean specificaly in what folder?
13:18:33B4gderipod video pdf fixed
13:18:43nlssafetydan: I think finding out where gcc calls memcpy and memset and calling them explicitly ourselves is going to be a lot of work and rewriting... what do you think?
13:19:01GodEater_aLtair27: are you running windows on your PC ?
13:19:12aLtair27windows XP SP2
13:19:18GodEater_then the folder is just the drive letter your iPod is connected as
13:19:26GodEater_so if you iPod appears as "I:\"
13:19:35GodEater_then that's the "root" of your iPod
13:19:42safetydannls: would linuxstb's suggestion work?
13:19:42GodEater_well that's where you unzip to then
13:19:45aLtair27so i'll have to put it directly
13:20:08*GodEater_ wonders whether we should have a diagram for this in the manual
13:20:14GodEater_B4gder: thanks for fixing the manual
13:20:43aLtair27so i'll put .rockbox on my F:/
13:20:58GodEater_aLtair27: correct
13:21:01aLtair27im lucky that godeater is born
13:21:07nlssafetydan: I must be blind, or left my memory somwhere else, 'cause I don't know of any suggestion from linuxstb...
13:21:17GodEater_aLtair27: you're also lucky you caught me in a good mood ;)
13:21:27safetydannls: [21:04] <linuxstb> safetydan: Put them in the plugin lib?
13:22:01aLtair27then now im done?
13:22:06nlssafetydan: yes, that would work, do you think it's cleaner?
13:22:18GodEater_aLtair27: yep - you can safely reboot your iPod now
13:22:34safetydannls: well the thing I'm checking at the moment is if it actually makes any difference to the plugins. The assembler output for the jpeg plugin doesn't look at that different.
13:22:45dionoeaIsn't rbutil supposed to make that installation process easier ?
13:23:10GodEater_dionoea: yes
13:23:24GodEater_dionoea: I keep forgetting to send people there.
13:23:40GodEater_is rbutil ready to replace the install section in our manual yet ?
13:23:49aLtair27Disk mode ok to disconnect
13:23:51austriancoderjhMikeS: ping
13:23:55aLtair27reboot again?
13:23:58*dionoea doesn't know. I only tried it yesterday
13:23:59GodEater_aLtair27: yes
13:24:26GodEater_dionoea: I've not actually used it to do an install myself yet either
13:25:31*GodEater_ waits for the obligatory "it looks horrible" question from aLtair27 next.
13:26:29safetydannls: have you measured any performance increase with the mem function wrappers in plugins?
13:27:21nlssafetydan: no, not at all, I put them there to make the plugins link when building with -Os
13:27:50aLtair27thanks to GodEater
13:28:04linuxstbsafetydan: The problem with using the plugin lib is that you need to ensure the rb struct exists and is initialised before the mem* functions could be used.
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13:28:31safetydanlinuxstb: true
13:28:48aLtair27now i should still use iTunes for video and music transfer?
13:28:59austriancoderJdGordon: ping
13:29:02GodEater_aLtair27: you can still use iTunes for music
13:29:06safetydannls: so you're saying those are necessary for gcc to actually link the plugins with -Os?
13:29:12aLtair27and for video?
13:29:18GodEater_aLtair27: rockbox doesn't play back the videos that iTunes supports
13:29:41GodEater_aLtair27: if you wish to watch videos in rockbox, you will need to read the PluginMpegPlayer wiki page
13:29:54dionoeaor reboot to Apple's OS
13:29:55nlssafetydan: yes, LD throws an "undefined reference blahblah" thing otherwise
13:30:06GodEater_aLtair27: although I personally don't recommend it - the iPod Video is (ironically) the worst performing video target we have
13:30:12aLtair27so means i cant play video w/ rockbox??
13:30:22GodEater_aLtair27: so I'd do as dionoea says, and watch them from apple os
13:30:35GodEater_aLtair27: you *can*, you'll just have to do some work to make it happen
13:30:50GodEater_aLtair27: and don't expect them to run as fast as they do when you're running apple os
13:31:42aLtair27but if i install linux in my iPod
13:31:47GodEater_aLtair27: for that matter, I Don't *recommend* using iTunes for anything. I don't personally.
13:31:56aLtair27it's posible if i have 2 operating system in my iPod right?
13:31:56GodEater_aLtair27: won't make a slight bit of difference
13:32:09aLtair27so what should i use?
13:32:11GodEater_aLtair27: if you install linux as well, you'll have THREE
13:32:29GodEater_I'd just copy the files over using windows explorer myself
13:33:15GodEater_but stick to iTunes if you plan to dual boot into the apple firmware
13:33:17linuxstbaLtair27: This page may answer some of your questions -
13:33:17GodEater_it's up to you
13:33:26safetydannls: interesting, it links fine here without those functions
13:34:00nlssafetydan: did you rerun configure?
13:34:38*safetydan looks embarrassed
13:34:46GodEater_that'll be a "no" then
13:34:49safetydannls: apparently no
13:35:18preglowhrm, does the sansa have an rtc?
13:35:21amiconnsafetydan: gcc expects the environment to always provide 4 functions: memcpy, memset, memmove and memcmp. This is documented
13:35:48amiconnLinking might fail if these functions aren't provided, independent of -O level
13:35:50nlssafetydan: ok, I have it working with mem_function_wrappers.[ch] in the plugin lib
13:36:11safetydanamiconn: yes but why would going from -O to -Os break things?
13:36:25preglowsafetydan: because gcc will prioritise using mem* over inlining
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13:36:38safetydanpreglow: ah okay
13:37:16preglownewer gccs have even more heuristics on this point, and will choose between several techniques
13:37:39preglowbut it will always be a problem, i don't think there's anyway to disable using mem*
13:37:41safetydanHow is Coldfire on GCC 4.x?
13:37:44preglowany way
13:38:02nlspreglow, amiconn: any objections to adding the wrappers to the plugin lib?
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13:38:47Matteo_Mhi there
13:39:13Matteo_MI'm having somo troubles installing rockbox on a h320 using OSX
13:39:24Matteo_MI'm not able to patch the firmware
13:39:43preglownls: can't think of any good objections, no, the alternative is modifying code for each occurence
13:39:53peturah right, OSX
13:40:02Matteo_MI read the manual but since I'm not a command line ninja I don't understand how to get it
13:40:16dionoeaMatteo_M: did you try using rbutil?
13:40:20GodEater_haha - command line ninja, that's a good one
13:40:52Matteo_Mdionoea, no. tell me
13:41:23dionoeait's even got a dmg!
13:41:55Matteo_Myes I'm downloading
13:42:00GodEater_dionoea: which is out of date !
13:42:01Matteo_MI hope it works
13:42:16dionoeaGodEater_: yeah ... hopefully that doesn't matter :)
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13:42:30GodEater_I didn't know rbutil did the firmware patching too
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13:43:01dionoeamaybe it doesn't ... but maybe it does :)
13:43:08dionoeaI think that it does for iPods
13:43:22linuxstbIt includes the fwpatcher code, so should do it.
13:43:37linuxstbI don't think that's been tested on a Mac yet though...
13:44:02GodEater_aLtair27: yeeeeeeeeees?
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13:44:30Matteo_Mit seams to work, dionea
13:44:36aLtair27my computer dont disconect my iPod i just copied a song to it directly
13:44:37dionoeanice :)
13:45:07GodEater_aLtair27: you should have an "eject hardware" icon in the system tray to get it to disconnect it
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13:45:52aLtair27The Device cannot be removed right now
13:46:00aLtair27please try again later
13:46:05GodEater_aLtair27: try again, it does that to me sometimes
13:46:09GodEater_second try usually does
13:46:27dionoeaare you using any of the files on the device with some program ?
13:46:37aLtair27actually it's my 3rd XD
13:47:00GodEater_aLtair27: make sure you've closed all the explorer windows that are looking at it
13:47:20GodEater_aLtair27: and also make sure you've shut down the iPod/iTunes services
13:47:54aLtair27yeah right your good just ended it's process at task manager XD
13:48:53aLtair27so im going to themes section now
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13:51:57GodEater_aLtair27: it's probably worth you having a look at rbutil too (see the link above) it does theme installation too (although not all of them work like this)
13:53:28JdGordonaustriancoder: pong
13:53:48JdGordonbounced on the side of the table.. austriancoder coder mises... JdGordon wins 22:20 :D
13:54:10peturJdGordon: pang
13:54:45Matteo_Mdionoea, it doesn't work
13:54:54austriancoderJdGordon: could you help me with some irq stuff?
13:55:01Matteo_Mor maybe I've doen it wrong
13:55:14JdGordonaustriancoder: I can try
13:55:19Matteo_MIt loaded the original firmware without patching it
13:55:53dionoeaI can't help you more since i don't know the specifics for your target :) Someone else here might
13:56:31peturMatteo_M: is the hex file the same size as an unpatched one?
13:57:43austriancoderJdGordon: I want an interrupt for GPIOB port pin 4 (USB Connect) - - I tried it this way: ... the problem.. in a logf build the usb_irq is only called when wheel moves..
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13:59:45aLtair27godeater i can get themes from right?
14:00:00GodEater_aLtair27: I wouldn't have thought so - but perhaps ?
14:00:25JdGordonaustriancoder: you dont have the irq reenabling stuff in the usb irq
14:00:44JdGordonthe _INT_LEV and _INT_CLR lines
14:00:56preglowdoes the sansa have an rtc?
14:01:02austriancoderpreglow: yes
14:01:23austriancoderJdGordon: hmmm.. okay.. will try it
14:02:05preglowaustriancoder: standard pcf deal, or?
14:02:27*aLtair27 slaps GodEater_ around a bit with a large trout
14:02:46preglowaustriancoder: the chip that does rtc and power management in the ipod. i'm not too familiar with the sansa internals
14:03:11austriancoderpreglow: as3514 does audio, power and rtc
14:03:15preglowahh, right
14:03:16austriancoderin sansa
14:03:57austriancoderJdGordon: does this look okay?
14:03:59austriancoder /* reenable irq */ GPIOB_INT_LEV = (GPIOB_INT_LEV & ~0x10); GPIOB_INT_CLR = GPIOB_INT_STAT & 0x10;
14:04:45JdGordonnot sure... I copied it straight from the button irq handler...
14:06:02JdGordonthe _CLR part is wrong though I tinhk
14:07:32JdGordonyeah, that might be right.. as long as the irq is only for when the bit goes high (i think)
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14:11:20aLtair27godeater how can i put themes in my rockbox iPod i can put it directly or should i use iPodWizard??
14:17:02JdGordonaustriancoder: wasnt 7138 commited?
14:17:07JdGordonsholdnt it be closed?.
14:17:54aLtair27anybody can teach me to put a theme in rockbox?
14:17:56austriancoderJdGordon: i have commited only a little part of the whole.. so stay it as open..
14:18:00JdGordonoh ok
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14:25:45peturaLtair27: use rbutil or just unzip the theme on your player and then 'Browse Theme' on your player
14:34:14aLtair27anyone here again? how to have different OS in my Pod?
14:34:23aLtair27is it just the iPodLoader i need?
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14:35:43GodEater_bloody ssh connection
14:35:58*GodEater_ wonders if there was any more git based discussion he's missed in the last few days
14:37:18aLtair27how to install iPodLoader?
14:37:41aLtair27sorry i really need a guide cuz sometimes i dont understand the english in some guides XD
14:38:24GodEater_aLtair27: if you're talking about iPodLinux, then I have no idea - you'll have to ask in #ipodlinux
14:39:47aLtair27take a look at this
14:40:04aLtair27still about rockbox
14:40:27aLtair27the first picture
14:40:52GodEater_yes, the first picture is not a rockbox product
14:40:58GodEater_it's an iPodLinux product
14:41:02JdGordondoes the current recording code do any error checking on the filename it tries to write to?
14:41:03GodEater_which we do not support here
14:41:21aLtair27i see..
14:42:23GodEater_none of the people in this channel see a point in a bootloader which displays a menu
14:44:23peturJdGordon: I don't think so
14:47:56JdGordonok, thats what I was afraid of
14:48:03*JdGordon adding very very siomple directory checking
14:50:35peturwell the call to the filesystem should/will fail
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14:54:19JdGordonpetur: yeah, but the recording screen doesnt appear to actually make sure the file was created
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14:56:01peturJdGordon: I think in the current code the file is only created on first spin-up (I could be wrong there though - check with jhMikeS)
14:57:25JdGordonsounds about right, seen as it doesnt say "disk full" untill i press stop...
14:57:40JdGordonim putting the folder check in when the rec screen in entered, instead
14:57:51JdGordonso if it cant be created you cant record
15:01:20JdGordoncan someone please choose which of 6358 and 7222 to commit... both do the same thing - add proper filename checking to the fat driver.. and I think we need this bfore my recording dirs patch goes in
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15:09:42JdGordonpetur: pixelma: new rec path patch ready.. wanna test?
15:10:27peturJdGordon: serious lack of time here, I can remember the delayed write was there to reduce spinups which in term delayed recording start, so beware what you're changing there
15:10:52*petur reminds JdGordon he's at work and should be doing just that
15:11:17JdGordonbah, work...
15:11:38peturit helps to pay the bills though
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15:12:39*JdGordon has no idea how to not check for the directory untill ready to write _and_ let the user know the directory isnt writable before they start
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15:14:26peturas long as you start recording before checking the file it should be ok. Previous code did it the other way around, so you could never enter the rec screen and start recording immediatly, so you missed several seconds if you were in a hurry
15:15:15JdGordonok, better do some rearranging then
15:16:20peturBUT I don't know how this all works since jhMikeS changed stuff around
15:16:48peturcould well be there's already a spinup due to encoader loading
15:17:18JdGordonok, Ill ask him tomorow if i remember
15:17:21amiconnJdGordon: The main reason why file creation is delayed is to allow (short) mic recordings without spinup noise on hdd targets
15:17:31amiconnSo this has to stray
15:17:42peturah yes, that too
15:18:35JdGordonThen how can you say you want it to abort instead of write to / (if there is enough disk space) in the event it cant write to the user directory?
15:18:41amiconnAnd directory doesn't need to be checked with svn because either you selected /recordings, in which case the code tries to create it and if it fails, exists the recording screen or you selected current_dir, which always exists for obvious reasons
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15:35:53nlshmmm, if I add memcpy and memset wrappers to the pluginlib, the linker will link all plugins against them but the plugins need to call an init function to set the api pointer correctly for the mem* functions, if this call isn't in a plugin it will silently freeze when it tries to use one of the mem* functions...
15:36:48nlsand the linker will not complain because it sees the mem* functions...
15:39:53nlsand the real badness is because the compiler decides which plugins call these functions...
15:41:52nlsmaybe I should just put them in a macro and include that in every plugin that needs it...
15:42:03*nls keeps talking to himself ;-)
15:42:56*JdGordon just got a pm from an idiot who registered just 5 min ago askin for help
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17:35:37VeinorI installed rockbox on my video iPod, and it froze; is there any way to force a reset?
17:35:50pixiehold menu and select
17:35:54pixieuntil it reboots
17:36:10Veinorah, there we go. guess I wasn't holding it long enough.
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17:41:30Veinorok, now I'm having issues with playlists
17:41:56nlsVeinor: have you read the stuff about playlists in the manual?
17:44:02Veinorit's... less than helpful.
17:44:23nlsVeinor: well, then how should it be improved?
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17:46:15Veinorah, never mind, misread it.
17:51:18Veinorhmm. it's not seeing the playlists that I already had.
17:52:29Veinoralso, when i go to 'view current playlist', I get file names like kpod0769573
17:52:56pixieI keep misreading that manual too :P
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17:53:48VeinorI can't get Amarok to send playlists to it :-/
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17:54:56Veinoris there any way to do so?
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17:56:47peturRockbox uses simple m3u playlists
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17:57:38Veinoryes, and amarok can export them; so would I need to just export them to the /Playlists folder?
17:57:56dionoeato any folder
17:58:56Veinorthe other thing that I'm noticing is that if I go to 'view current playlist', I get names like 'kpod' and then a bunch of numbers
17:59:00dionoeaand then you just play them by selecting the playlist file in the file view
17:59:47Veinoris there any way to change the thing that displays in 'view current playlist', or is that a bug, or what?
18:00:17Veinorah, that appears to be the filename.
18:01:18tedrockwhere exactly do i look up error codes? everytime i pause a song i get a Data abort at 0002F72C
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18:01:42dionoeaI doubt that this is an error code. Looks like an address in memory to me
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18:01:49tedrockoh i guess that makes sense
18:01:52peturit is
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18:02:01tedrockso maybe restore and then reinstall
18:02:35peturtedrock: using a recent bootloader and rockbox version, or upgraded one of them recently? And what ipod?
18:03:13tedrock30g ipod video i downloaded and installed it all yesterday. i think it occured when i went from a recent version of rockbox to a daily version
18:03:26tedrocki tried to go back to the earlier verion which may not have helped the issue
18:03:47*petur summons ipod support
18:03:53dionoeaworks fine here :)
18:04:05dionoeaare you using one of the unofficial builds ?
18:04:24tedrocknope. right from i tried yesterdays daily build
18:04:48*dionoea tries pausing
18:05:04tedrockfigured that was maybe what caused it so i went back to the current build
18:05:05dionoeano data abort :(
18:05:42*dionoea doesn't know if that kind of bug can be codec specific
18:06:16tedrocki'm just trying it for the first time. i'm liking the idea and getting used to the whole thing. pretty sure i might keep using it after i work this out
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18:07:14Lloreantedrock: When did you first install, or last update, your bootloader?
18:07:40LloreanAnd which iPod?
18:07:47*Llorean hasn't been in the room for the whole conversation
18:07:53tedrock30g ipod video
18:07:57tedrock2nd gen
18:08:10tedrockthe funny thing is i do tech support for apple :P
18:08:34LloreanAnd what kind of message are you getting?
18:08:40tedrockdata abort
18:08:46tedrockwhen i pause a song
18:09:07tedrockactually it also seems to happen when i'm playing and i feel the hard drive spin up
18:09:11LloreanYour best bet is to just post that to the patch tracker, with the address of the data abort.
18:09:19Lloreanpatch/bug tracker, rather
18:09:25tedrockgot a link? :D
18:09:33LloreanIt's the "bug" link on the left side of every page of the website
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18:09:45tedrockalright cool thanks
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18:10:16tedrockso if i were to reinstall would it be just delete .rockbox and put a new one on? do i need to run the bootloader again?
18:10:21LloreanThe new code for the 80gb seems to not be 100% reliable, and your problem *might* relate to that
18:10:32chrisjs169_anyone notice that on the newer sansas, the scrollwheel doesn't come off?
18:10:40LloreanYou don't need to run the bootloader install again, but it's highly unlikely that a reinstall will change anything.
18:11:14tedrocki wish they made installing themes easier.
18:11:49LloreanProperly formatted themes are pretty easy to install.
18:11:58LloreanYou just extract a zip, and point your extraction tool at the drive that is your player
18:12:15LloreanOr use RBUtil, which has a nice, easy graphical interface, to pick the themes you want, and it'll do it for you.
18:12:41tedrocksee i did that for some and it just put a folder on the ipod with the theme name. but it probably wasn't properly formatted
18:13:43LloreanSince it's a wiki, it's hard for anyone to enforce proper formatting of the archive. But you could also try
18:13:54tedrockwhat should i call my ipod on the report to make it easier for people to understand what i have. i see ipod3g and stuff like that
18:14:52tedrockyou folks are extremely helpful i thank you
18:16:22LloreanYou have a 5G
18:16:43tedrockok so that's all they need to know
18:16:44LloreanBut in the report, mention that it's a 5.5G 30GB (5.5G is the common name around here for the Late 2006 model iPod Videos)
18:16:54tedrockyah i saw that somewhere
18:17:44VeinorRight now, if I go to 'view current playlist', I just get 'kpod' and then a bunch of numbers; is there a way to configure it to use the song title instead of the filename?
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18:18:11LloreanVeinor: Not at this time, no
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18:18:19LloreanAn M3U playlist is simply a list of filenames.
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18:19:18LloreanI believe there's a patch that makes use of the database to do it though
18:21:24LloreanYeah, in the patch tracker somewhere. I've seen mention of it somewhere.
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18:24:49steveireCan I ask why the latest official builds don't support album art? I'm looking for a few themes, and they seem to require unofficial builds.
18:25:40steveireAlso, I don't know if any developers are around, but rockbox is incredible. I just got an iAudio, and there's no way I could have used the firmware that it came with.
18:26:40peturthe albumart is not implemented the way we want it so the patch is not accepted. But it is part of a google summer of code project to do it right
18:27:51steveirepetur: Great. Is there any plan to implement a 'play random track' or 'play random album feature'?
18:28:42peturI think rockbox has random playback features (I've never used them)
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18:29:10pondlifeRandom track is easy enough - just make your playlist and shufle it, or run with shuffle mode enabled.
18:29:16LloreanRockbox has both "shuffle tracks" and "shuffle albums"
18:29:24LloreanThough shuffling the albums requires launching a plugin to configure the feature.
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18:29:43LloreanWell, not really "shuffle albums" so much as "shuffle folders" if I recall
18:29:59LloreanBut if your filetree is suitable sorted, it works, I hear.
18:30:01LloreanI've never used it.
18:30:59steveireLlorean: Sounds like something I might try to do myself. Do you know what plugin does it?
18:31:25LloreanIt's name pretty much tells you what it is, but I can't remember the exact name
18:31:31LloreanIt's like "Random_folder_advance" or something
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18:34:50VeinorI can't get Amarok to interact properly with rockbox; if I try to send a playlist, it says the playlist uses nonexistent files
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18:36:39LloreanVeinor: That's really an Amarok problem...
18:36:55VeinorLlorean: true.
18:37:18VeinorI was just wondering if anybody here uses amarok as well and knows what to do.
18:37:36LloreanA lot of people here don't really use a management program
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18:40:05bospaadjeVeinor, maybe amarok uses absolute filepath in the playlists? there is an option in the config for that at least
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18:40:37Veinorafaik, it seems to be creating them on the basis of their location on my hd
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18:40:49Jetonis it possible to have a patch/plugin for Sansa so that when you for example hold the Select button and you rotate the scrollwheeel, to have the function of fast forwarding a song?
18:41:09pixelmadionoea: yep, got it working (sorry for answering this late) - wanna try/have a patch?
18:42:07markunJeton: sounds possible
18:42:55steveireI've installed the icon pack from, but all icons I try look squashed. How do I change the line spacing>
18:43:04steveireAnd shouldn't it be automatic?
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18:43:34Jetonactually the whole concept is from the OF, you select "Scroll thorough this song" and the scrollwheel does just that.
18:43:44JetonI'm filing a feature request ;)
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18:47:00LloreanJeton: Why isn't the existing fast forward sufficient?
18:48:12Jetonit is, especially it's good that you can configure the "speed" of the fast forwarding. But i just thought that a patch would simply complement the function of the scrollwheel.
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18:52:15Jeton (the LCD fade ) was synced to SVN, but it doesn't work on Sansa.
18:52:27steveireI've chosen the tango theme, which makes my fonts bigger neccessarily. That's fine, but it messes up the 'now playing' screen. Can you recommend a 'now playing' theme to use with tango? Currently I use zezayer.
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18:53:57LloreanJeton: It was synced in May
18:54:03Lloreanthe patch is well out of date again.
18:54:13webguest31hey, wiil rockbox play wma soon?
18:54:14LloreanAnd "synced" just means that patch version is "up to date"
18:54:20markunwebguest31: probably
18:54:44markunsaratoga is working on it
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18:57:46markunwebguest31: are your files DRM protected?
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18:59:51steveireWhat font/theme/icons combination do you guys use?
18:59:59Jetonlater people
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19:00:56markunsaratoga: I use "Rockboxed" but I'm also colour blind :)
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19:01:50saratogais this where i brag about getting my one WMA file to decode correctly in int?
19:02:45markunthe others don't decode correctly?
19:03:22markunwhat's next on your todo? malloc stuff?
19:03:23saratogai'm 99% sure any low bitrate files won't decode correctly, since they use all sorts of special features i haven't figured out how to test
19:03:35saratogabut 128k and above stuff looks ok
19:04:02saratogayeah the malloc needs to go, but thats not hard, it only uses it a few times, and theres no need for any of it since all the sizes are hard coded
19:05:00markunthe only use I would have for WMA would be to record and playback some online radio stream, that would be low bitrate usually.
19:05:51markunand after that the first try at turning it into a rockbox codec?
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19:08:19markunI wonder if it will playback realtime on the gigabeat
19:08:37steveireArggh. I can't get nice icons and a nice theme. Is there a way to have a font size for menu and a separate font size for the 'now playing' section?
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19:10:28markunsteveire: currently not
19:11:47steveiremarkun: I might have to edit the theme I want to use? The problem is with larger fonts, there's too much space between lines, and the 'next track' section falls off.
19:14:47markunyes, you need to edit it to be usable with a different font
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19:15:18steveireIf you use non standard fonts, can you tell me what theme you use?
19:15:33steveiresorry, non-standard icons, not fonts markun
19:16:00markunI use the "Rockboxed" theme with the default font
19:16:07jac0bI have noticed in the last 2 builds that the bookmark feature doesn't work on the sansa
19:16:11markunnimbus-14 I think
19:16:32steveiremarkun: Which icons?
19:16:42markunlet me check
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19:17:09jac0bhas anyone had a problem with the bookmark feature on any other builds?
19:17:35steveireOh, I see that doesn't display the next track. I like that feature.
19:18:14markunsteveire: Tango 20x16x16
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19:20:14steveireI like tango, and the zezayer theme. But no font fits both. I think a more integrated theming system should be available to care for fonts/icons/theme.
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19:21:26markunif you want it bad enough.. get programming :)
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19:22:56steveiremarkun: Seems that'll be neccessary. I find it odd though that rockbox can look so much better than it does by default in each of the three categories, but I can't get a combination that works.
19:22:58webguest31hellodoes rockbox sill play wma soon?
19:23:23markun18:54 < markun> webguest31: probably
19:23:23markun18:54 < markun> saratoga is working on it
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19:24:09markun18:57 < markun> webguest31: are your files DRM protected?
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19:29:23saratogamarkun: I want to get a version working on rockbox this week if at all possible
19:29:39saratogano idea what that will involve, but i need to so i can start benchmarking and see how slow the codec really is
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19:32:19markunare there tools to remove the DRM protection from WMA files?
19:32:55markun.. for people who bought music online for their Gigabeat and will not be able to play their music in rockbox
19:32:58markunjac0b: thanks
19:33:45markunjac0b: although it's not exactly what I was hoping for
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19:34:28jac0bits easier to rip apple drm that wma drm
19:35:30Learsaratoga: Step one: put the right stuff in iram (important for coldfire at least). (Maybe you knew that already.)
19:37:01jac0bmarkun: you can also burn a fake audio CD if you have a virtual drive
19:37:24markunjac0b: I'm not really interested in transcoding
19:37:29markunfor that we don't need wma playback
19:37:41markunjust remove the DRM protection
19:38:21*amiconn wonders why so many people buy drm encumbered music
19:38:39*markun wonders if there are really that many people doing that
19:39:25amiconnThere must be enough... otherwise those online music stores couldn't survive
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19:39:46amiconnI mean, one such track costs ~1EUR in average here
19:40:14amiconnBut it's limited in how I can use it _and_ encoded lossy
19:40:45Lear1 billion tracks can't be wrong? :)
19:40:46amiconnIf I buy the CD, I pay roughly the same, but I get full quality, and a physical backup at the same time
19:41:22amiconnAnd I can use it the way I want, as long as it's for private use
19:42:15LearYes, but you need to fuss about getting it on your computer/DPA. Not hard, but some don't want that. And they can buy just the tracks they want.
19:42:32jac0bthey should just make CD's cheaper and maybe people will buy them
19:44:27amiconnImho CDs are quite cheap, unlike those crippled tracks from online stores
19:45:26*amiconn will never buy those non-CDs with "copy protection" though
19:46:17jac0bno way CD's are cheap when I first started buying CD's they were $7-10 now they are close to $20
19:46:24ender`i usually borrow them in the library, then apply a bit of permanent marker (if it hasn't been applied yet)
19:51:34dionoeapixelma: sure, i'd love to try a patch
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19:59:22markunjac0b: I think this is what I was looking for:
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20:02:37jac0bmarkun: I couldn't that one to work for me
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20:11:49jac0bhas anyone got the bookmark feature working on their player?\
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20:16:05tedrockwow when mine crashes it kills the usb port on my mac i'm using. fancy
20:17:20GodEatertedrock: I believe linuxstb has experienced that too
20:17:37GodEatersome vagary of the OSX platform it seems
20:17:57tedrockmeh. i was just messin around with it at work. i got a list of errors i gotta put on the bug tracker
20:18:19LloreanA list?
20:18:33tedrockyep. i got more error codes in addiontion to the one i was gettign earlier
20:18:46tedrockundefined instructions and other things
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20:19:50tedrockquick question. if you go the LCD backlight settigns it has a thing where it says when plugged in. if i set that to ON it should be staying on when i have it connected to USB right. or am i confused
20:20:36LloreanCurrently, USB doesn't register as "plugged in" for some reason
20:20:48tedrockah. then that would explain it
20:21:37tedrocki am pretty impressed so don't worry i won't be giving up anytime soon. i just gotta stop using itunes to sync it so i can make my own play list and stuf fi guess
20:21:51tedrockOH YAH i can't get video to play. is that bugged right now too?
20:22:08LloreanWall chargers that use USB (not firewire) are, afaik the only iPod chargers currently that register as "plugged in"
20:22:27LloreanAre you following our instructions for playing video, or just trying to play iTunes/MP4 videos?
20:22:38tedrocklatter :D
20:22:52LloreanWell, those aren't supported at all.
20:23:00*petur dumps the manual on tedrock
20:23:02LloreanWe can't use the Broadcom chip, and the main core is far, far, far too slow to decode H.264
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20:25:36tedrockhrmm having an issue finding anything about video in manual. i'll keep lookin
20:26:25tedrockwell i just learned about the OPEN WITH option. good to know
20:26:28LloreanSee the plugins section.
20:26:41LloreanWhich is actually in the viewers category of the plugins section I believe.
20:26:57LloreanThere's also a wiki page of the same name which goes into more depth, and has links to some programs for converting your own videos.
20:27:08LloreanON the iPod Video though, you're best using the original video support rather than ours
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20:27:33tedrocki remember something i read on the wiki yesterday and now i can't find it
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20:27:57GodEaterLlorean: re that theme thread - should we perhaps arrange for rockbox to clear down the menu backdrop when applying a new theme ?
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20:28:14GodEateror is that overkill ?
20:28:15LloreanGodEater: Absolutely not.
20:28:16tedrocksomething that said about viewer plugins not needing to be selected and they load on demand or something around those lines
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20:28:42LloreanGodEater: If there's no Backdrop: line in the .cfg, nothing should change. If there's a Backdrop: line that's blank after, it should clear the backdrop
20:29:12LloreanThings shouldn't change unless explicitly told to, but you should be able to explicitly clear it without setting it to something else.
20:29:28tedrockthere i found it
20:29:36Lloreantedrock: Yes, viewers load when you click on a file they're supposed to handle. .mpeg and .mpg for MpegPlayer
20:29:42GodEaterLlorean: I find that an odd stance to take :)
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20:30:02tedrockso i guess i won't be playin my video podcasts with this :D
20:30:11LloreanGodEater: I have many themes that change the WPS and font, but I don't want them changing my backdrop. :-P
20:30:29GodEaterthen put the backdrop in those themes
20:30:34GodEaterthat seems a much better way to make them work
20:30:51LloreanIn *every* other .cfg line, if the line isn't present, the value isn't changed
20:31:05LloreanThemes are just ordinary .cfg files
20:31:05GodEaterbecause then we avoid this particular issue with the user interface
20:31:09GodEateryou gotta admit it's a PITA
20:31:15LloreanWith the auto-reset, if an equalizer .cfg is loaded, it'd reset the backdrop
20:31:37GodEaterI think make backdrop a special case
20:32:07LloreanMake it a special case *and* make the theme.cfg handler a special handler, AND figure out some way to load differentiate them when clicked on from the filetree so they're loaded with the special handler?
20:32:34GodEaterlol - I can see I'm going to lose this discussion
20:32:38LloreanAnd have "Load config files" guess whether the missing backdrop line means "reset" or "no backdrop should be set"
20:32:48LloreanI'm just saying, how would you do it from a practical sense?
20:33:16GodEaterI'd only trigger the reset from when the cfg file is loaded from the "browse themes" menu
20:33:36GodEaterand secondly, I wouldn't care if there was a backdrop line or not
20:33:38GodEaterI'd ALWAYS clear it
20:33:40LloreanThen the same .cfg file causes different things when loaded from different screens.
20:33:53LloreanWhich means it breaks the whole "a .cfg file is a .cfg file" philosophy
20:34:02GodEaterfine, then lose the themes menu thing
20:34:18LloreanEvery time *any* .cfg is loaded, reset the backdrop?
20:34:18GodEateroh no, that doesn't work either
20:34:27GodEaterI'll think about it
20:34:33GodEatergimme a day or two :)
20:34:45LloreanI still think having a "Backrop: " line in a .cfg meaning "reset the backdrop" is good enough
20:34:56LloreanWe already depend on the author not setting the font color to the same color as the background
20:34:58GodEateryou're still relying on theme authors writing well behaved themes
20:35:10LloreanSee above line. :-P
20:35:15LloreanWe *have* to depend on them
20:35:23GodEateryes but in that case the author is consistent within his own theme
20:35:25LloreanIf they wanted to they could load a backdrop that's black, with a black font.
20:35:26GodEaterhe's not hacv
20:35:32GodEaterhaving to worry about someone else's
20:35:42tedrocki'm gonna make a theme soon. i'll follow your theme guildlines :D
20:35:49GodEaterright - forget it
20:36:08LloreanWe depend on theme authors to do a lot of things, is all.
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21:08:46bluebrotherLlorean: why can I use only one simley in the forums? If I quote someone who already used a smiley I'm already out of smilies ...
21:10:06Lloreanbluebrother: I'd earlier restricted it to 3, and for some reason I decided that was too many still. I'll set it back to 3.
21:10:22LloreanFor the most part, I don't think smileys are really that useful for our forums, either way though.
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21:14:34steveireDo any of you guys use amarok
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21:15:11steveireI'd like to know whether to connect my iaudio as an ifp device or generic or what...
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21:18:14Lloreansteveire: This isn't an Amarok support channel. You might try their documentation.
21:18:27LloreanAlthough I'd guess "generic" knowing absolutely nothing about the program at all.
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21:23:21bluebrothersteveire: as Rockbox doesn't depend on some special database or file organization you can use generic. Using something else should work too (but I haven't tried)
21:24:13steveirebluebrother: It opens as generic alright, but that's a file browsing mode. I'd like music browsing mode, but it's definitely an amarok issue.
21:24:20steveireCheers. I'm away
21:24:38desowinmusic browsing mode - initialize database in rockbox
21:24:52steveiredesowin: Huh?
21:25:21steveiremake amarok connect to the rockbox database?
21:25:31steveiremakes sense. I'll look into it later.
21:25:31desowinthere's no such thing yet
21:25:42steveiredesowin: But that's what you meant?
21:26:22desowinsettings->general->database->initialize now
21:26:57desowin(in rockbox)
21:27:28steveiredesowin: Thanks. I'm off.
21:27:37desowinbut keeping files organised is best way
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21:31:22GodEaterdoes amarok understand the rockbox database then ?
21:33:16LloreanIt's been suggested that someone add that, but I don't think anyone has
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22:04:54TofuSCHNITZELiv got a question about the sandisk sansa players
22:05:19Bagderask away
22:06:25TofuSCHNITZELwhat does the "Sansa E200 series (the R models are not supported)" <−−−− mean?
22:06:42LloreanThat the e200R series don't work, but the e200 do
22:07:12LloreanBasically, the "Rhapsody" versions do not work
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22:07:33SaLaDDo any of you think that Rockbox could eventualy become a media-centered distrobution of Linux?
22:08:12BagderSaLaD: why rockbox become linux?
22:08:14TofuSCHNITZELwhats special about the "Rhapsody"
22:08:17Bagderwhy would even
22:08:47SaLaD Could it be anything else?
22:08:51tedrockanyone else havin issues with voice menus?
22:08:54BagderTofuSCHNITZEL: we've written a lot about it both on the mi4/sansa pages and in the rockbox forums
22:09:00BagderSaLaD: rockbox is not linux
22:09:02LloreanTofuSCHNITZEL: They have a different bootloader that prevents us from loading our own code until someone figures out a way past it.
22:09:34TofuSCHNITZELbut do they look different?
22:09:46TofuSCHNITZELi bougt the sansa e280 with fmtuner
22:09:50SaLaDIts so confusing when 4 conversations are going on...
22:09:57TofuSCHNITZEL(german site)
22:09:58tedrockor is voice menus not working right now?
22:10:02GodEaterSaLaD: welcome to IRC :)
22:10:07BagderTofuSCHNITZEL: they look the same, but the R models start with a Rhapsody logo and similar
22:10:21LloreanSaLaD: Rockbox is not Linux. That's about all that's been said to you.
22:10:42Lloreantedrock: They should be working.
22:11:02tedrockas i go through menus it says the wrong name for everything and says "X" after everything it says
22:11:10TofuSCHNITZELbut with an fm tuner does not mean Rhapsody
22:11:11SaLaDCould rockbox turn into something LIKE an OS, for a PC
22:11:17tedrocklike when i got to dispaly settings it might say "Equalizer X"
22:11:24Bagderfm tuner means with fm tuner
22:11:34GodEaterSaLaD: very unlikely, its not really geared for a full blown PC
22:11:54GodEaterSaLaD: the memory model would be most inefficient on a PC
22:12:15BagderSaLaD: rockbox is both OS and app collection
22:12:16*GodEater tries to image coding out of a 1GB+ buffer
22:12:17Lloreantedrock: Are you sure that your Voice Files were made for the same build of Rockbox you have installed (or at least generated recently enough that the menus haven't changed)?
22:12:53tedrockhrmm no i am not sure. i just out a few from the main website. are those not current?
22:13:00TofuSCHNITZELk thx i was some kind of shocked cause i found a site where it sais Rhapsody and with fm tuner so i thought Rhapsody = with fm tuner
22:14:07TofuSCHNITZELand do u know how rockbox handles the microSD slot?
22:14:18Lloreantedrock: Most of them aren't. People have to contribute voice files to the main website, and they have to be redistributable. Many people seem to prefer hosting questionable ones offsite instead, so they aren't updated often.
22:16:07tedrockhrmm so i gotta find these up to date ones else where
22:16:07SaLaDDoes any body know the status of the H10 radio support? And why do all mp3 players with a Radio usualy only pick up FM?
22:16:21tedrockLlorean: just google rockbox voice might work eh?
22:16:31BagderSaLaD: because they use fm tuner chips
22:16:48TofuSCHNITZELand does rockbox support the sansa fm tuner?
22:16:49Bagderprobably because the world uses FM mostly
22:17:25SaLaDWhat about my first question
22:18:52BagderTofuSCHNITZEL: yes
22:22:46LloreanSaLaD: If it's not in the official version, you could check to see if there's a patch, and what the patch's status is.
22:22:52bluebrotherSaLaD: well, looking at the sources it doesn't seem there is support yet.
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22:24:32bluebrotherhmm, looking at the SansaFAQ page I'm wondering if there really should be some summary of the buttons
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22:25:16TofuSCHNITZELcool thx guys
22:25:18SaLaDIf they dont get the radio on the H10 working...........
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22:25:39desowinuse real english words
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22:26:21SaLaDTofuSCHNITZEL: Say ONLY what matters
22:26:31SaLaDNever mind...
22:26:43BagderSaLaD: Rockbox is "we", not "they" ...
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22:27:17Bagderand I'm sure your fellow h10 owners will be happy when you join in and help making the fm work
22:28:33TrueJournalsWho's helping to make the radio on the H10 work? :-D
22:28:47SaLaD"I" Am not Rockbox though. And I cant do anything about the FM Radio IF I DONT EVEN KNOW IF IT IS BEING WORKED ON or IS POSSIBLE!!!!!
22:28:51TrueJournals(well, not that I'm helping... but I'm hoping someone will get it working)
22:29:02GodEatereasy SaLaD no need to shout
22:29:16BagderSaLaD: you learn
22:29:16SaLaDi am a follower, not a leader
22:29:45LloreanSaLaD: That's a choice you make.
22:29:45GodEaterthere are no "leaders" as such here
22:29:48GodEaterjust contributors
22:29:54LloreanIf you're not willing to contribute, you don't have to.
22:30:00tedrockodd. i just unplugged my headphones. the theme shows it's paused yet the progress bar and counter is still going
22:30:06LloreanBut if nobody contributes, it's pretty obvious exactly how far Radio support will get.
22:30:33SaLaDWell I am not one of the contributers either ;)
22:30:36tedrockLlorean: i fixed issues i having before with the utility you told me about :D
22:31:04LloreanSaLaD: EVERYONE is a potential contributor.
22:31:20TrueJournalsSaLaD: Barry Wardell, the leader of the H10 port, did a lot of working trying to get the radio working, but never quite got it...
22:31:24SaLaDI would give 1000 USD to anyone who gets the radio working
22:31:43obotedrock: known issue - see FS #7257 and 7261
22:31:43LloreanSaLaD: Please, if you're not willing to work on it, be quiet about it.
22:31:56tedrockobo: it did it once. doesnt' seem to be happening again
22:32:13BagderSaLaD: I believe Barry once started the work on it but had problems and never got anywhere "real"
22:32:32*Bagder is an echo
22:32:43*Bagder stands in the corner
22:32:53GodEaterhey, I was here first
22:32:57GodEaterquit shovin
22:33:07Bagderdarn, this is one crowded corner!
22:33:11obotedrock: only happens if you unplug whilst paused, and you have rewind on unplug enabled
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22:34:14tedrocki actually disabled the rewind thing so that's probably why i did not happen again
22:34:35tedrockim so happy i fixed the crashing.
22:34:45oboit also happens if you rewind/ff using the buttons while it is paused
22:35:06tedrocki also just got voice menus to work... then disabled it. gets annoying after 5 minutes of using it :P
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22:35:51peturtedrock: I'm sure our visually impaired users won't agree ;)
22:36:07tedrocki shall poke my eyes and see... err hear
22:36:36bluebrothertedrock: maybe just closing the eyes for a test would be sufficient ... ;-)
22:36:48tedrockbut then i might cheat
22:37:07SaLaDI didnt know he was working on it. I couldn't find any information on it before. How hard is it to get the code to get power to a certain chip?
22:38:32BagderI doubt powering it is the problem
22:38:44tedrockthis can't read PDFs or HTML files can it...?
22:38:44SaLaDread the page
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22:38:51tedrockthen i coudl read the manual on my ipod
22:39:13TrueJournalsBagder: According to Barry, getting power to the device actually was the problem...
22:39:38Bagderseems odd to me
22:39:46SaLaDtold you
22:40:31BagderI guess disassembly is what it takes
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22:41:23SaLaDWho Voluntieers Their H10 ;)
22:41:54peturyou... there's your chance to contribute ;)
22:42:11LloreanSaLaD: Disassembly refers to a process you put the original firmware through, not the player. It's tracking what the original firmware does.
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22:42:36TrueJournalsHasn't the H10 firmware been dissassembled?
22:43:03Bagderparts of it certainly
22:43:21tedrockLlorean: i even fixex my issue where it was turning off the LCD while plugged in. thank you again for suggesting the utility
22:44:31SaLaDis there any problens with "Dissassembling" it ALL the way?
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22:44:59Bagderwell, just converting to assembly isn't
22:45:12Bagderbut understanding it and using it for something is quite some work
22:45:22LloreanAnd 99% of the code is just going to be pointless buffering stuff, and codecs, and other things we have no interest in anyway
22:46:00SaLaDwell that 1% is probly what we need
22:46:05TrueJournalsSo... pretty much somebody who knows assembly needs to go through the whole thing and figure out what has to do with the radio, and what doesn't...
22:46:38SaLaDTrueJournals: Yup.
22:47:09TrueJournalsWell, good luck with that :-p
22:47:15LloreanOr get the ARM emulator working for H10, and use it.
22:47:28Bizzehhey, JUST this second found out about rockbox from #reactos looks pretty cool. are there any plays for mpeg4 video and/or the avi/mp4 containers?
22:47:32Bagderyeah, that's in fact a cooler idea
22:47:48BagderBizzeh: no
22:48:00LloreanBagder: I imagine it'd actually be less tedious to whoever tries to do it, at least.
22:48:26BagderLlorean: indeed a more rewarding/interesting challenge I'd say
22:48:45LloreanBlizzeh: On portable players, you usually have more extra space than you have extra processing power, making MPEG2 a better choice overall most likely.
22:49:38SaLaDWhy is the scrollpad for my H10( as you probably figured out I have an H10) so jumpy when I play games like wormlet. It screws me up!!!!
22:50:02LloreanSaLaD: Feel free to improve the scrollpad driver.
22:50:15LloreanAgain, for things to be improved, someone who owns the hardware has to come up with a better way of coding it.
22:50:34bluebrotherLlorean: for getting the emulator working for h10, wouldn't one need to know how the tuner chip is connected anyway?
22:50:37desowinSaLaD: maybe it's just me, but sentectes like " It screws me up!!!!" doesn't bring in anything good
22:50:40BizzehLlorean: this is why most portable players have specialist mpeg4 decoder hardware
22:50:56Lloreanbluebrother: That's the interesting thing: Get it up to the point where you can select to start the radio, then catch what it attempts to do when you choose to.
22:51:10LloreanI believe that's how some of the hardware was gotten working.
22:51:10BagderBizzeh: "most" ?
22:51:13TrueJournalsSaLaD: The values recieved from the player are very jumpy, so the scrollpad is jumpy
22:51:27Bizzehok, "most modern"
22:51:31Bagderif ipod video is "most" then sure
22:51:33bluebrotherhmm, right. Maybe I'm a bit tired for thinking hard enough right now ;-)
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22:51:41BagderBizzeh: that's not true at all
22:51:55Bagder"most modern" players have CPU and DSP enough to it
22:51:56LloreanIn fact, outside the PSP and the iPod Video, I don't think any are known to, are they?
22:52:08LloreanI mean there's the DSPs, but that's not exactly the same thing.
22:52:19Bizzehseveral philips payers
22:52:27Bizzehsamsung have a few
22:52:29BagderBizzeh: name a few please
22:52:37GodEatereven if true, that's still not "most"
22:52:47LloreanBizzeh: And remember, Supporting MP4 is not the same as "Having a chip for it"
22:52:49Bizzehi dont know the models, i just see the list of features in a catalog
22:53:01BagderBizzeh: see what Llorean said
22:53:09BizzehLlorean: yes, but "hardware assisted mpeg4" means, "has a chip in it"
22:53:12Bagderlots of players support "mp4"
22:53:16LloreanBizzeh: No, it doesn't
22:53:21LloreanI means that hardware assists the decoding.
22:53:23LloreanSuch as a DSP
22:53:48Bagderyeah, like the telechips and TI dm320 and all
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22:54:20bluebrotherthere are even cheap "mp4" players around which are in fact mp3 player with not much more
22:54:22LloreanAnyway, anyone's more than welcome to write a mpeg-4 player. The Gigabeat at least might be able to play MPEG-4 video (though not h.264)
22:54:33bluebrothersometimes with a similar design like the ipods ...
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22:54:49SaLaD o f s n
22:55:06LloreanSaLaD: Please stop spamming the channel...
22:55:45desowinbluebrother: such "mp4" players imo doesn't even contain hardware in it, I have no idea how it plays music
22:56:05LloreanThose are usually the s1mp3 hardware, aren't they?
22:56:12LloreanBasic AAC/MP3 player, and that's about it?
22:56:19Bagderyes, many seem to be
22:57:21SaLaDHow is THAT spam? Take the first letter on the top, and match it up with the letters on bottom. Makes perfect sense!
22:57:31Bizzehanyway, sorry but rockbox doesnt seem like its for me. very very feature lacking, very primitive looking/feeling, and the dev group/support group seem reluctant to want common formats implemented. bye
22:57:33desowinread rules
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22:57:39krazykitSaLaD, it's offtopic and irritating to boot.
22:58:04Bagderhe should find another alternative firmware to use
22:58:24_SALAD_thank you, Badger
22:58:32bluebrotherSaLaD: that matching doesn't work for me ...
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22:58:45LloreanSaLaD: There are guidelines for this channel. Perhaps you should read them.
22:59:03pearldiverwhats with people and mpeg4 playback
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22:59:11Lloreanpearldiver: It's a buzzword.
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22:59:23Bagdermpeg4 is a holy grail of some sorts
22:59:26LloreanThey've never tried MPEG2 on a small screen, and don't realize that it's pretty much fine.
22:59:31bluebrotherrockbox is "very very feature lacking"?
22:59:35*bluebrother shakes head
22:59:36LloreanI will say, h.264 is delicious.
22:59:44desowinbluebrother: didn't you know it ?
22:59:45LloreanBut for XViD/DivX, naah
22:59:53SaLaDWhat? It Spells CoNFUSInG
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23:00:56bluebrotherindeed. If it's not displayed aligned it isn't easy to "just" match it
23:00:58pearldiveryeah h.264 is at least something that halfs the size and offers the same quality
23:01:13krazykitbut man is it cpu intensive.
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23:01:59LloreanAnd takes about six years to encode.
23:02:31krazykitmy laptop won't decode h264 @ native resolution :-(
23:02:36pearldiverit is but it's not really the point here. people repeat the words "avi, mpeg4" like mantra
23:02:47bluebrotherwhat's native resolution for h.264?
23:02:54Lloreanbluebrother: I think he means "DVD resolution"
23:03:02krazykiter, yes.
23:03:14bluebrotherhmpf. My nick hilight seems still to be broken :(
23:03:15Lloreanpearldiver: I think the problem is that people don't realize they HAVE to transcode to fit the screen, so whatever format it was before doesn't matter
23:03:32Lloreankrazykit: The PSP plays 720x480 h.264, though it hitches a bit here 'n there.
23:03:39krazykitwell, people don't understand that avi is merely a container format
23:04:03desowinI have completly no idea why people would like to watch movies in high resolution on such small displays
23:04:11LloreanThe display is 480x272
23:04:16pearldiverLlorean yep, nobody wants to do a little research but everybody likes to jump to conclusions. same old.
23:04:19bluebrotherI guess because they don't want to transcode
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23:04:42bluebrotherand they assume scaling it down doesn't eat up much power ...
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23:04:57krazykittranscoding to any rockbox target's screen size doesn't take THAT long on a modern machine.
23:05:23LloreanAnd with proper settings, MPEG2 gives you fine filesizes and video quality for such a small screen
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23:05:31tedrockanyone know a quick and easy way to convert itunes playlists into something rockbox can use?
23:05:50bluebrothertedrock: IIRC there was a patch for that in the tracker
23:05:54pearldiveri bet people would start comparing rockbox to iphone when it's out.
23:06:06LloreanNo, they'll ask for iPhone Ports
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23:06:19amiconnTalking about research - why do people keep speaking about the avi 'format'? AVI is a container, like mov, wav, ...
23:06:22pearldiveroh that too of course
23:06:24LloreanThough the iPhone is designed to be able to run unsigned code, I hear.
23:06:33pearldiveramiconn thats and old old issue
23:06:35LloreanSo someone should port the simulator to it.
23:06:42pearldivereverybody and their dog think that avi is a format
23:06:52LloreanThen people can ask why we did the iPhone so quickly but won't do NanoG2
23:07:04nlsLlorean: if we got a donation of a cent everytime someone asked for a port to a phone...
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23:07:28krazykitLlorean, sure, as long as you port sdl to the iphone first :-P
23:07:41bluebrothermaybe we should add a "stupid question" button to the website which asks the questioner for donating 1ct?
23:07:43GodEaterLlorean: has steve jobs changed his position on the iPhone then /
23:07:53LloreanGodEater: So I've heard.
23:08:14LloreanI couldn't point to the source any more but it seemed reliable when I read it a few days ago.
23:08:18GodEaterI just remember him saying "Verizon don't want their network crashed by some dude with a crappy app on his phone"
23:08:21tedrockumm how does one apply a .patch file... is their a directory for it?
23:08:22GodEaterand assumed that was that
23:08:28LloreanI imagine it'll be restricted.
23:08:33LloreanNo access to the phone radios or anything
23:08:43GodEateroh, a hypervisor you mean ?
23:08:46Lloreantedrock: You'll have to compile.
23:08:47bluebrothertedrock: to apply a patch you need to recompile
23:08:47GodEateror similar
23:08:47krazykittedrock, you patch the source code and compile it yourself
23:08:53LloreanGodEater: I can't imagine there not being one.
23:08:59bluebrothercheck the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page
23:09:30tedrocksounds a little beyond me. information on wiki about this?
23:09:32nlsGodEater: their network must be very crappy if you can bring it down with one malfunctioning device...
23:09:35pearldiverLlorean not that easy
23:09:39tedrockyou answered my quesiton :D
23:09:42pearldiveri think you need to purchase and deploy a web server just to develop an app
23:10:06Lloreanpearldiver: Of course it wouldn't be simple. It's Apple. :-P
23:10:10GodEaternls: well my sentiments exactly
23:10:13krazykitnls, oh, verizon's network IS that crappy.
23:10:16GodEaterI run all sorts of cool stuff on my phone
23:10:26LloreanFortunately, the iPhone isn't *on* Verizon's network.
23:10:27GodEaternot a single one is signed by the phone manufacturer
23:10:36GodEaterand my network hasn't threatened to sue me yet :)
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23:10:47*bluebrother uses his mobile phone for ... phone calls :)
23:10:51GodEaterLlorean: well - whoever's network it was then
23:10:57LloreanAT&T/Cingular. Ugh.
23:10:59GodEaterI don't live in the US - i'm not familiar with them :)
23:11:02pearldiverLlorean plus its all should be under Safari
23:11:19pearldiveri bet nothing worthwhile will surface under such conditions
23:11:29LloreanBut yeah, my phone is reserved for connectivity in general, and that's it. I like to keep my devices separate, a position I've mentioned before. ;)
23:11:43LloreanPerhaps the iPhone should go on the NoDo?
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23:12:48bluebrotherhow about adding a "emulate xyz's OF" to the NoDo as well?
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23:13:55XavierGramiconn: installing vmware tools without X is possible
23:14:08pearldiverit would have quite enthusiastic "hacking scene" though i presume
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23:15:30nlsipl = iphone linux? :-)
23:16:15krazykitcuz i know i want a zsh prompt on my phone.
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23:18:49Bagderand quite suitably "Mobile Linux group releases first specifications" was announced today ;-)
23:20:20LloreanDid the Zune Linux guys ever make any further attempt to 'collaborate' beyond the post in our forum, btw?
23:20:30Bagdernot that I've seen
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23:21:33LloreanI'm honestly just kinda curious if they've actually done anything, and if so, what.
23:21:43Bagderme too
23:21:49Bagderbut I doubt they did anything
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23:21:55LloreanThat's my feeling too.
23:21:56krazykitlooking on their forums, they've picked what distro they want to port
23:22:12krazykitpuppy linux
23:22:16Bagderwhat an achivement
23:22:20krazykitwhich, as far as i know, still runs on 2.4
23:22:35bluebrotherwell, it's important to have a distro first.
23:22:36Bagderwell, ipl is on 2.4 too
23:22:55bluebrotherthe skills can come later ...
23:23:00krazykiti'd have picked emdebian or something :-/
23:23:27BagderI'd not bothered at all until my kernel at least partly booted
23:23:42pearldiverthe only progress was made by zunepet
23:23:52krazykitbut their userbase sounds like people just wanting Some Other Software than actually knowing anything about coding or cracking the hardware's encryption.
23:23:52*bluebrother googles for emdebian
23:23:52LloreanDo you really *need* a distro, so much?
23:23:59pearldiverbut i think it was all posted in the thread
23:24:13Bagderkernel and busybox take you a very long way
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23:25:15LloreanI'd imagine considering the uniqueness of the platform, you're more or less creating your own distro anyway.
23:25:19XavierGrI get this error when trying to configure binutils: C compiler cannot create executables. Any ideas how I can fix it?
23:25:47BagderLlorean: well, it is an arm with a mmu so there are existing distros you probably can use more or less out of the box
23:25:54bluebrotherwow. Safari for windows?
23:26:19krazykitXavierGr, sounds like your toolchain isn't set up properly
23:26:36bluebrotherXavierGr: is your host compiler working properly?
23:26:43DerPapstBagder: i doubt they will come so far. they haven't even found a way to run own code.
23:27:01Bagderyes, we were just saying that
23:27:11LloreanI'd actually be interested in the Zune if there were an unsigned code exploit.
23:27:18DerPapstX suggested to solder some wires in the zune to bypass the encryption :D
23:27:27LloreanI'd like a full-size player with FM Radio again.
23:27:31XavierGrbluebrother: I am not sure, all I know is that I have installed gcc and make
23:27:45krazykitLlorean, me too. i liked that feature on my old Rio Riot
23:28:02Bagdersoldering really is the best tool to beat encryptions ;-)
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23:29:03*Llorean wonders where the wires go in the e200R
23:29:16basscadetXavierGr: there may be information about what went wrong with the compiler in config.log
23:29:30basscadetxkthat file should be in the directory you were in when you ran configure
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23:33:38XavierGrjust great, it can't compile the hello world program, it says that can't find <stdio.h>
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23:35:02amiconnXavierGr: If this happens while building gcc 4.1 as crosscompiler, it's a known problem
23:35:10austriancoderjhMikeS: ping
23:35:27amiconnlibssp doesn't like to be crosscompiled, so you need to disable it. See irc log 20060321
23:35:42XavierGrbut I get that when I try to build binutils not gcc 4.1
23:36:01amiconnWhat version of binutils?
23:36:17*amiconn didn't get far with 2.17.x
23:36:17XavierGrand last time I tried (something else went wrong) it succesfully configured and compiled it
23:36:21XavierGrlet me check
23:36:38amiconnHmm, that should work...
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23:37:05XavierGrevery time I want to build a vmware envirnment from start I have to reinstall linux like 4 times
23:37:29XavierGrall people say that linux are quite sturdy but I can break them quite easily without knowing what went wrong
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23:37:41XavierGrand then the only option if you don't know what to do is reinstall
23:37:55XavierGrI still think that Windows are much simpler at some aspects
23:38:15krazykityou could ask the distro's channel for support, of course.
23:38:45XavierGryes you can always do that, but right now I think I will get the reinstall path
23:38:57XavierGr(and keep a backup of the clean install disk)
23:39:19krazykitisn't there a vmware image with the build environment already set up?
23:39:23amiconnWith vmware it's really simple... just take a snapshot and work from there
23:39:36XavierGrkrazykit: yes but I want to make a new one
23:39:50XavierGrwith amiconn's idea or sdl on framebuffer
23:39:55amiconnIf something goes wrong, revert to snapshot
23:40:03XavierGramiconn: I thought snapshots work only for RAM
23:40:10amiconnIf you finished and everything is ok, delete the snapshot
23:40:58amiconnWith vmware workstation you can even have multiple snapshots (but ws isn't free)
23:41:18XavierGramiconn: "snapshots" have to do with disk data?
23:41:37amiconnSnapshots save the whole machine state
23:42:06amiconn...which is just disk if the machine is powered down when taking the snapshot, and disk+ram when taking a live snapshot
23:42:16XavierGrgreat I will do that next tim
23:42:27XavierGrI thought it was just like a hibernation feature
23:42:41XavierGrbtw amiconn: how is your vmware image going?
23:43:02amiconnDidn't work on it recently...
23:43:09XavierGrwhat's missing?
23:44:06amiconnThe ability to build the html manual successfully... and making it smaller
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23:44:22XavierGrmaking to build the manual is tricky
23:44:32XavierGramiconn: try installing texlive and/or tex4ht
23:44:36amiconnpdf manual is simple
23:44:41amiconnThat already works
23:44:59XavierGralthough even if you do that you will need to add multirow.sty on your repository
23:45:05amiconnThe image still uses tetex, as it's based on debian testing
23:45:08XavierGralong with the other stys
23:45:48amiconnThe strange thing is that my full fledged vmware image (which has gnome etc) does build the html manual, and it's also debian testing...
23:46:12krazykittesting? from how long ago?
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23:47:19amiconna few weeks
23:47:38amiconnI am updating more or less regularly
23:49:00XavierGramiconn: by updating all the time it will be difficult to make the image small in size
23:49:20amiconnUpdating the small image is cumbersome though. No intuitive package manager available as there is no x11
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23:49:29XavierGrlinux tends to live many garbage files in the filesystem :\
23:49:55*amiconn didn't have that impression
23:50:00*Bagder neither
23:50:11amiconnWindows leaves far more junk than linux
23:50:25amiconnBut on linux the junk is harder to find imo
23:50:25XavierGrwell apt-get remove package would not delete every trace of the installed files for me
23:51:38XavierGrit is just that on Windows I am experienced and I know how and when to remove the junk, but on Linux I don't have a clue where it might left undeleted files
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23:51:59amiconnSimply removing a package doesn't clean its configuration data
23:52:00oboXavierGr: try it with the −−purge option
23:52:18*amiconn was about to mention purging
23:52:20XavierGrobo: I will have that in mind thanks
23:52:38amiconnThat's the nice thing with package gui managers - you see what's happening
23:52:58amiconn^ find the 2 words which need to be swapped :/
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23:54:31obogui and console? ;)
23:54:37krazykithm. i thought tetex was dropped from lenny. must've been some other tex package
23:54:53krazykitamiconn, check out aptitude?
23:55:18amiconnkrazykit: sure. I use it, but it's not intuitive for sure
23:55:20tedrockanyone care to help me a bit with this playlist patch. i get a message saying "can't find file to patch at input line 8"
23:55:37krazykitamiconn, i find it much friendlier than synaptic or whatever
23:55:41*amiconn wants a text-mode equivalent of synaptic :/
23:56:10tedrockalso they provide a .c file and i donno what to do with this file. i assume that relates to my problem
23:56:12LloreanA text-mode synaptic would be quite nice.
23:56:38XavierGryeah synaptic was good back when I was trying to convert to ubuntu
23:56:43krazykittedrock, if the file it can't find and the one it provided are the same, put the .c where it's expecting it. or read the readme
23:56:51amiconnkrazykit: For some reason I think exactly the opposite. Synaptic is nice and straigtforward, unlike aptitude
23:57:26krazykitamiconn, i found synaptic to be unbearably slow in searches and i didn't like being tied to x. diff'rnt strokes.
23:57:27tedrockkrazykit: i wish there was a readme
23:57:28*amiconn updates vms
23:57:44krazykittedrock, fs#?
23:57:56tedrockkrazykit: 4771
23:58:28amiconnSearches just take a few seconds... and being tied to X is only a drawback if you want a machine without X... that's why I would like a text mode equivalent
23:59:00tedrockkrazykit: i donno where to put the iPlay.c

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