| 00:01:11 | lazka | ok.. rockbox freezes @ splash, i guess that has sth to do with this ;) |
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| 00:03:17 | DerPapst | has to do with what? |
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| 00:16:46 | webguest21 | will rockbox run on gigabeat V60E? |
| 00:16:57 | webguest21 | is there support for 1seg? |
| 00:17:08 | webguest21 | is there any hack with rockbox for 1seg? |
| 00:17:30 | markun | I don't even know what "1seg" is |
| 00:17:36 | webguest21 | hi mark |
| 00:17:47 | webguest21 | 1seg is the digital tv used in japan |
| 00:17:57 | DerPapst | maybe 1 segund? |
| 00:18:10 | DerPapst | s/u/o |
| 00:18:20 | webguest21 | more specifically, i am wondering if rockbox has something for this, so possibly we could change the setting from 1seg freq, to dvb-t |
| 00:18:47 | webguest21 | s/u/o>> ? |
| 00:19:15 | webguest21 | dvb-t is used throughout europe and australia |
| 00:20:08 | webguest21 | mark derpast, what is your favourite thing about rockbox? |
| 00:20:19 | markun | webguest21: which tuner chip is it? |
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| 00:20:38 | webguest21 | i am unsure how to find that out |
| 00:21:12 | markun | open up the player and take pictures |
| 00:21:23 | krazykit | webguest21, rockbox runs on the gigabeat f and x, not the v or s. |
| 00:21:54 | webguest21 | KrazyKit: not at all? never? |
| 00:22:09 | markun | maybe someday |
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| 00:22:24 | webguest21 | is there any other software that you may be able to steer me towards? |
| 00:22:55 | krazykit | not really |
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| 00:23:09 | alienbiker99 | webguest21 work is being done on the s and v |
| 00:23:25 | webguest21 | thanks alianbiker99 |
| 00:23:50 | alienbiker99 | as of last update they are trying to get text to print on the screen |
| 00:23:52 | webguest21 | so nobody can tell me of another site to try and find mods for the gigabeat? |
| 00:24:08 | DerPapst | there aren'T any. |
| 00:24:27 | webguest21 | so i cant even install a different OS on it? |
| 00:24:29 | krazykit | mygigabeat.com has some forums, but there are no alternative softwares. |
| 00:24:33 | krazykit | no, you can't. |
| 00:24:34 | webguest21 | not even full Windows Mobile? |
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| 00:24:40 | krazykit | nope. |
| 00:25:03 | webguest21 | wow, good on toshiba for making it so strong |
| 00:25:06 | markun | webguest21: the main things I like about rockbox are ogg vorbis playback and UMS support |
| 00:25:16 | webguest21 | UMS? |
| 00:25:29 | markun | yes, that you can use the gigabeat as a normal USB drive |
| 00:25:37 | webguest21 | Ah! |
| 00:25:46 | markun | no special media player mode or toshiba software |
| 00:25:59 | webguest21 | ok. |
| 00:26:07 | webguest21 | can i ask one more question |
| 00:26:12 | markun | Maybe we can port rockbox to the sony players one day as they have the same problem |
| 00:26:14 | webguest21 | then i'll leave you all alone |
| 00:26:16 | markun | sure |
| 00:26:32 | markun | just ask, and you can hang around as long as you like :) |
| 00:26:37 | pearldiver | brand new gigabeat f40 for sale from US |
| 00:27:10 | markun | pearldiver: another one? ;) |
| 00:27:16 | pearldiver | same one :P |
| 00:27:44 | markun | webguest21: do you have a japanese Gigabeat V? |
| 00:28:01 | webguest21 | yes |
| 00:28:10 | webguest21 | it was awesome while in japan! |
| 00:28:29 | webguest21 | i could watch and record tv anywhere i went |
| 00:28:43 | markun | I believe that all the components are under a metal cover which you have to unsolder if you want to take a look at them |
| 00:29:09 | webguest21 | only reason it doesnt work here is because 1seg uses a different freq than here. |
| 00:29:35 | markun | otherwise it's the same standard as dvb-t? |
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| 00:29:45 | webguest21 | so i am looking to do 1 of 2 things, these are, find firmware to switch the freq to dvb-t |
| 00:30:09 | webguest21 | or, install a new OS, maybe some light linux variant and see what i can do |
| 00:30:26 | webguest21 | or even the full version of windows mobile |
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| 00:30:52 | webguest21 | google isnt very helpful on this topic |
| 00:31:17 | markun | you make it sound so simple.. |
| 00:31:18 | webguest21 | and i've posted on mygigabeat already.. i think i must be the only person in the world wanting this |
| 00:31:19 | webguest21 | :) |
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| 00:32:34 | webguest21 | what are you thoughts markun |
| 00:33:25 | markun | I think that you don't have many realistic options |
| 00:33:52 | markun | to replace the firmware you will have to do a lot of work |
| 00:34:36 | markun | and you can't just modify it because the firmware is digitally signed |
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| 00:35:19 | markun | there is a way to run custom code on the Gigabeat S which might also work on the Gigabeat V |
| 00:35:30 | webguest21 | really? |
| 00:35:57 | markun | but it has been confirmed that the same trick doesn't work on the Zune which is based on the same hardware |
| 00:35:58 | webguest21 | see the 1seg tv has its own button, and its own applet that runs instead of the windows mobile software |
| 00:36:46 | markun | the applet doesn't run in windows mobile? |
| 00:36:59 | webguest21 | probably does actually |
| 00:37:01 | webguest21 | sorry. |
| 00:37:09 | webguest21 | i guess it has too |
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| 00:38:13 | jhMikeS | preglow: around now for a bit |
| 00:39:52 | markun | jhMikeS: I know you are working on too many things already, but are you still planning to work on the low latency audio mixer stuff? |
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| 00:42:18 | preglow | jhMikeS: looking at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7286' |
| 00:42:37 | jhMikeS | markun: I don't know what to do with it really. I really doubt all devices can handle it. For PP, it will need dual core and for others finer CPU frequency control because of the short length of the output buffer. |
| 00:42:41 | preglow | jhMikeS: do the asm versions of these routines already round, or? i guess that depends on the dsp emac settings |
| 00:43:03 | preglow | which right now seem to be set to not round |
| 00:44:42 | jhMikeS | coldfire won't have a DC offset because of rounding...I used to have it in rounding mode anyway but removed it because I didn't care about it |
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| 00:45:10 | preglow | well, if you don't use rounding mode, how does it not have the dc offset? |
| 00:45:22 | preglow | without rounding mode, movclr just truncates, like the c code |
| 00:46:01 | jhMikeS | right...I'm not talking clearly...but didn't we talk about this :) esp. in the late stage. I was concerned with it. |
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| 00:46:20 | preglow | jhMikeS: we might have been... |
| 00:46:36 | preglow | i don't really know how concerned i am with it now |
| 00:46:41 | jhMikeS | I remember being anal about it not long ago |
| 00:46:49 | Hayward | stupid question every1 |
| 00:47:14 | preglow | i'm actually considering just fixing it in test_codec to ease comparison with pc based codecs |
| 00:47:26 | Hayward | where do u upload to file browers? |
| 00:47:43 | krazykit | Hayward, anywhere you like, except .rockbox |
| 00:47:53 | Hayward | even a video |
| 00:48:06 | krazykit | yep |
| 00:48:14 | krazykit | i have mine in seperate directories though |
| 00:48:24 | krazykit | music, video, pictures, etc. |
| 00:48:25 | Hayward | i have 1 video :P |
| 00:48:56 | krazykit | well, your orginization is up to you :P |
| 00:49:21 | Hayward | damm... didnt fit |
| 00:50:39 | Hayward | i cant see all the video :( |
| 00:51:10 | preglow | jhMikeS: the bit depth conversions happens as the latest possible stage anyway, so the dc offset should really never bother you, unless you happen to do codec testing or something |
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| 00:51:38 | Hayward | anyway of making a video smaller so i can see it all on the screen? |
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| 00:53:03 | jhMikeS | using the divide operator will actually round towards 0 too...or an error term (which is always + with truncation) ... many ways of doing it |
| 00:53:26 | Hayward | what |
| 00:54:23 | safetydan | Hayward, you need to encode the video specifically for Rockbox. Take a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
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| 00:54:52 | Hayward | i didnt do that :P |
| 00:55:50 | preglow | jhMikeS: yeah, but add with shift should be plenty cheaper |
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| 00:55:57 | Hayward | which 1 is the best? |
| 00:56:00 | preglow | jhMikeS: especially on arms, which have no div |
| 00:56:42 | Hayward | WinFF? |
| 00:57:26 | Llorean | Hayward: Different people prefer different ones, though I think for many people WinFF will prove to be the least complicated, especially for converting groups of files. |
| 00:58:04 | Hayward | ipod 4:3 as output? |
| 00:59:07 | Llorean | Is the original video 4:3? |
| 00:59:12 | Hayward | dono |
| 00:59:30 | Hayward | :S |
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| 01:00:51 | preglow | seems it's bedtime now |
| 01:02:22 | jhMikeS | Does that method give eqivalent results? The divides get implemented as shifts if the den is a pow2 constant. |
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| 01:03:26 | preglow | well, yeah, but the shift isn't constant |
| 01:03:31 | preglow | it varies with codec output bit depth |
| 01:04:54 | preglow | it's always a power of two, but try telling the compiler that |
| 01:05:14 | Hayward | i will use 4:3 |
| 01:08:17 | jhMikeS | they're just changing it to essentially (x + (2^(n-1))) / (2^n) if I read right |
| 01:09:01 | jhMikeS | I suppose it almost asm time for all that on ARM anyway |
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| 01:10:15 | preglow | don't expect too much of a gain from it |
| 01:10:25 | preglow | even bursting doesn't seem to matter too much on arm |
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| 01:10:35 | preglow | at least on pp, which is all i've dealt with |
| 01:10:39 | droo | lo guys - anyone alive |
| 01:11:13 | droo | just gettin rockbox on me ipod video - wots this stuff to do with patchs for some of the wps themes ?? |
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| 01:12:47 | DerPapst | good night every one :-) |
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| 01:12:58 | jhMikeS | another thing I want to take advantage of if I can is the fact the FIFOs on PP targets are memory mapped to an address range, not a single port address |
| 01:14:43 | preglow | yep |
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| 01:15:07 | preglow | you know the valid range? |
| 01:16:41 | jhMikeS | The number of slots*4 |
| 01:16:53 | jhMikeS | + base |
| 01:19:18 | preglow | that would mean touching some asm too |
| 01:19:50 | jhMikeS | I have the sd card reading nicely from it using ldmia but something's goofy when writing it. I don't know yet if it's just the driver handling though...I want to find out cause I'm sick of reformatting when the writes mess up :P |
| 01:20:03 | preglow | hahaha |
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| 01:20:54 | preglow | ah, i thought you were talking i2s fifos |
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| 01:23:26 | jhMikeS | all |
| 01:24:04 | preglow | yeah, noticed i2c fifos are memory mapped too |
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| 01:24:37 | preglow | we don't properly use those yet |
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| 01:24:43 | preglow | at least not for writing, i think |
| 01:26:04 | preglow | anywho, bedtime |
| 01:26:07 | preglow | gnight |
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| 01:31:54 | Llorean | safetydan: Apparently iTunes now supports the TSOP etc tags, according to one absolutely unconfirmed source in our forums. |
| 01:33:31 | * | Llorean finds confirmation by reading this "internet" thing a little bit. |
| 01:38:41 | markun | Llorean: I talked to the xiph guys in #vorbis and they didn't know what other people use for TSOP in vorbis tags |
| 01:39:05 | safetydan | Llorean, well now, isn't that interesting. |
| 01:39:39 | safetydan | markun, AFAIK it's ARTISTSORT, TITLESORT, and ALBUMSORT. But there's no official standard, that's just what Musicbrainz and SlimServer use. |
| 01:40:27 | markun | safetydan: I know there is nothing official, but I didn't even know about musicbrainz and slimserver (and neither did they) |
| 01:40:51 | Llorean | Hm. |
| 01:40:57 | Llorean | I wonder where I read what I did then. :( |
| 01:41:21 | safetydan | This has been my reference so far http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/PicardQt/TagMapping |
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| 02:03:51 | peanutb | what is the rockbox kernel based on? or is it its own kernel? |
| 02:04:22 | Soap | aye, it's its own man. |
| 02:05:21 | peanutb | so it was 100% original code (the kernel i mean)? |
| 02:05:53 | Soap | on the 100% question I'll defer to the writers. |
| 02:06:34 | peanutb | but it was built from the ground up. Woo that must have taken some doing |
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| 02:12:36 | safetydan | peanutb, not to understate the effort, but writing a simple operating system kernel is standard stuff for most computer science university degrees. |
| 02:14:37 | Shaid | I never had to do that in my computer science degree. |
| 02:14:46 | Shaid | I was robbed! Robbed! |
| 02:14:52 | peanutb | yes. But getting it to run on closed platforms doesnt seem like it is easy. |
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| 02:18:10 | safetydan | Hrm, there used to be a "History of Rockbox" page somewhere that explained how it got started. |
| 02:18:15 | safetydan | Or maybe I'm just going crazy. |
| 02:22:02 | Shaid | there's a teeny tiny bit of history in the faq |
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| 02:36:23 | pixelma | the "older news" on the front page gives an impression ;) |
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| 03:02:56 | larc | hello |
| 03:03:35 | larc | this is going to be an extremely noobish question, but what software do you use to add songs when using rockbox? |
| 03:04:38 | scorche | anything you want, really |
| 03:05:33 | larc | could I use, say, winamp with the ipod version? or do I still have to use itunes? |
| 03:05:54 | Llorean | You're better off not using anything designed for iPods, unless you really want to use the original firmware for music. |
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| 03:06:08 | Llorean | Most of us just copy the files in explorer, or something similarly simple and basic. |
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| 03:06:46 | larc | oh, so should I just make a music folder and then navigate there with rockbox? |
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| 03:10:35 | Llorean | larc: That's the easiest way, probably. Or at least the most basic. |
| 03:10:39 | Llorean | Works for me, at least. :) |
| 03:11:22 | m_schneider | Does anyone how progress is coming on seeking for mpeg player? |
| 03:12:54 | Llorean | I don't know that anyone's working on it right now. |
| 03:13:14 | m_schneider | hmm |
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| 03:16:04 | Llorean | I believe there's a patch in the tracker that creates a resume point when you stop a file, allowing you to pick up where you left off. |
| 03:21:28 | m_schneider | yes i've applied it |
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| 03:32:22 | m_schneider | is there a way to set the clock in VMware? |
| 03:35:54 | Llorean | safetydan: You here? |
| 03:36:12 | safetydan | Llorean, yo |
| 03:36:43 | Llorean | safetydan: I don't know how you've implemented the sort tags in your WIP patch, and I don't know if this is maybe obvious (or obviously a bad idea and I've missed it) |
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| 03:37:17 | Llorean | But it seems to me the sort tags should have separate entries when creating tagnavi files than the normal tags, and maybe should fall back to their parallel 'display' tag if the sort one isn't found in the database? |
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| 03:38:40 | safetydan | Well at the moment the patch adds sortalbum, sortartist, and sorttitle as additional tagnavi attributes. |
| 03:39:03 | Llorean | Alright |
| 03:39:09 | jurrie | safetydan: I'm with you on your latest post |
| 03:39:31 | Llorean | I don't know, maybe tagnavi needs a way to add a fallback if the requested tag isn't present. |
| 03:39:40 | safetydan | Which I'm not sure is the right way. What I was thinking was that the sort tags are only used by the database to sort the entries and aren't actually stored by tagcache. |
| 03:39:43 | Llorean | jurrie: My preference is for a PC side tool too. |
| 03:40:12 | Llorean | jurrie: Basically, my point was that rockbox could include a plugin (if someone wrote one) for those people who really want everything handled by the player. |
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| 03:40:31 | jurrie | OK.... I'd never run it, though :-) |
| 03:40:36 | Llorean | safetydan: I'm not sure I understand that statement. |
| 03:40:51 | Llorean | jurrie: Nor I. I actually like my "The Blah" in the T section. |
| 03:40:59 | Llorean | Since it doesn't actually make them any harder to find. |
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| 03:42:36 | safetydan | Llorean, tagcache stores all the album titles and so forth presorted (i.e. they're sorted at database build time only). All I think the sort tags should do, is change that sort order. |
| 03:43:03 | Llorean | safetydan: Ah, so when the database is generated, it's generated in a different order but doesn't actually keep the tags? |
| 03:43:11 | Llorean | Will that affect the ability to update the database? |
| 03:43:37 | Llorean | Also, I *think* it might be important to keep the tags around for other purposes. |
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| 03:43:57 | Llorean | But I'm not sure yet. |
| 03:44:18 | safetydan | It shouldn't affect updating the database |
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| 03:44:25 | Llorean | Alright |
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| 03:44:47 | safetydan | I agree it feels kind of odd to just throw away the sort metadata, but I can't see any reason for keeping it. |
| 03:45:30 | Llorean | I can't at the moment either. |
| 03:45:45 | Llorean | Wait. |
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| 03:46:13 | Llorean | You can have a CD with the Artist Sort labelled "Various", but the artist displays proper for the individual tracks. |
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| 03:46:26 | Llorean | If you've thrown away the "Artist Sort" tag, it won't show up as a single album. |
| 03:46:54 | Llorean | But if the tagnavi filters by the artist sort, rather than the artist, you'll see all songs from that album in the album view, even though the artist you selected only has one or two songs on it |
| 03:47:05 | Llorean | Well "apparently" selected. |
| 03:47:27 | Llorean | Does that make any sense? |
| 03:47:40 | safetydan | Sort of. |
| 03:47:48 | Llorean | It's not a perfect solution, by any means. |
| 03:47:58 | Llorean | But there really is no "perfect" solution to various artist albums, I think |
| 03:48:19 | safetydan | the tagcache/database code is something I'm not familiar with so I'm learning as I go |
| 03:48:23 | Llorean | But I think it is a valid use for the sort data, as a user-hack for it. |
| 03:49:38 | safetydan | Actually, the various artist issue I thought was dealt with by the albumartist tag? |
| 03:50:05 | Llorean | Hm, that's a use for that too. |
| 03:50:15 | Llorean | I thought that was used for other things. |
| 03:50:24 | Llorean | Since the "artist" tag is technically "Performer" |
| 03:50:30 | Llorean | But makes sense. |
| 03:50:32 | Llorean | I can be ignored. :) |
| 03:50:51 | safetydan | So albumartist = "Compilation Maker" and artist ="Track Performer" |
| 03:51:11 | Llorean | And I guess Compilation Maker could be "Grammy Nominees 2008" or whatever, yeah. |
| 03:51:21 | Llorean | Or just "Various" |
| 03:51:34 | safetydan | yup |
| 03:52:08 | safetydan | So yeah, I think the sort metadata should only affect the building and updating of the database, not the actual configuration of it (i.e. the tagnavi file) |
| 03:52:31 | Llorean | Works for me. |
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| 03:52:56 | Llorean | Keeps the RAM footprint of the database down when loaded to RAM too, doesn't it? |
| 03:59:08 | safetydan | Llorean, well in theory it should lead to no change in the RAM footprint. |
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| 04:00:33 | Llorean | Which is good. I can imagine the database already getting quite large with some collections. |
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| 05:13:35 | scorche | wow...it is going to be quite toasty in vegas for devcon |
| 05:13:55 | scorche | high of 106 on fri |
| 05:14:11 | JdGordon | thats about 38C isnt it? |
| 05:14:29 | scorche | 41.1111111 |
| 05:14:40 | JdGordon | nice and warm :) |
| 05:15:07 | scorche | good thing we have AC in the suite =) |
| 05:15:30 | * | Llorean is from Texas. |
| 05:15:34 | Llorean | Las Vegas is at least not so humid |
| 05:15:49 | scorche | 8-10% ish |
| 05:15:51 | scorche | quite dry |
| 05:16:44 | scorche | the pool will be nice though =) |
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| 05:17:08 | JdGordon | hmm... according to google its almost the same latitude as melbourne, so yeah, nice n dry |
| 05:17:14 | * | JdGordon loves melbourne summer |
| 05:17:30 | scorche | vegas is pretty bad if you dont have AC |
| 05:17:52 | JdGordon | hot as hell but low humidity... not like sydney :p |
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| 05:18:19 | scorche | yeah...high humidity is the worst in hot weather...you just feel like you are walking out into an oven |
| 05:18:28 | scorche | almost a solid wall |
| 05:18:33 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 05:19:00 | * | JdGordon had that fun getting out of the plane a year or two ago goign waaay up north.. aircom plane to 36C and 110% humidity |
| 05:20:00 | JdGordon | anywho... anyone thing there will be much opposition to having customizable quickscreens? |
| 05:20:19 | * | scorche hides behind a couch to be safe |
| 05:20:20 | JdGordon | I'm fiddlign with the wa settings are handled and it will make doing that easy |
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| 05:24:31 | JdGordon | scorche: you still need stuff to fll the agenda? |
| 05:24:51 | scorche | i never did, but other topics are always welcome |
| 05:25:52 | JdGordon | if you have time, can you bring up a hypothetical talk about starting an experimental branch which starts apps/ again from scratch? see who would be interested... |
| 05:26:28 | scorche | with git, you could do that instantly and not worry about merging back =/ |
| 05:26:39 | * | JdGordon slaps scorche |
| 05:26:45 | scorche | what? =P |
| 05:27:02 | safetydan | JdGordon, what would be the benefit of that? I'd be more interested in seeing more stuff pulled from firmware/ in to apps/ like id3.c |
| 05:28:01 | JdGordon | because, I kee looking a the code and so much of it is hack upon hack up hack, if we started from scratch we could probably have a whole lot of much cleaner code |
| 05:28:31 | scorche | JdGordon: how about i talk about git instead? =P |
| 05:28:39 | JdGordon | but yeah, moving stuff out of firmware shuold be a higher priority |
| 05:28:48 | JdGordon | I tihnk everyone is over the whole git thing arnt they? |
| 05:28:50 | * | safetydan fears the "second system effect" |
| 05:29:13 | scorche | why should one be "over" it? |
| 05:29:36 | JdGordon | second system effect? |
| 05:30:06 | safetydan | JdGordon, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_system_effect |
| 05:30:49 | safetydan | I'd rather see gradual refactoring then a burn-down and rewrite. |
| 05:32:05 | JdGordon | seems to be about the same answer in different form that I got from Linus when I brought this up a week or so ago |
| 05:34:01 | safetydan | Well it's just something you see a lot of in software projects. Rewriting things from scratch almost never goes as well as people hope. |
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| 05:41:43 | Llorean | Maybe we should just chop Apps up into a chart of some sort, and start identifying what's Kludgy or Hackish in individual parts of it? |
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| 05:56:35 | JdGordon | Llorean: or something like a dependancy graph? |
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| 05:59:48 | Llorean | I was thinking something very general, really. |
| 05:59:53 | Llorean | But either way, of course |
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| 07:18:38 | scorche | hrm...will anyone have issues if i stream the video feed with flash? (as in, does anyone not have a flash plugin for their browser?) |
| 07:19:39 | JdGordon | amd64 linux is about the only people who might have a problem i tinhk |
| 07:20:24 | scorche | i ran across http://www.vinz486.com/portal/index.php?ind=home which seems to do what i want |
| 07:30:26 | ze | http://gwenole.beauchesne.info/projects/nspluginwrapper/ alleviates amd64 linux issues with flash (and other 32bit plugins) |
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| 09:04:10 | crop | Has anybody here been following the "Rejection of "ignore the" patch" thread in the forums? |
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| 09:06:08 | crop | Am I right in the assumption that the feature, when implemented, will only have effect in the DB view, not in the file browser? |
| 09:06:48 | markun | crop: I think you are right |
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| 09:09:00 | crop | markun: ok. I'm asking because I never use the DB and rename the folders to achieve the desired sorting (e.g. The Beatles is renamed to Beatles; in the tags it's stilll The Beatles) |
| 09:09:31 | Llorean | If I recall quite some time ago it was decided the alphabetical sort for the filetree should always be based on exactly what the file is named, rather than trying to grab a substring. |
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| 09:09:51 | Llorean | In fact, I think that the original rejected patch, the first one, was for the filetree. |
| 09:10:01 | crop | Llorean: yes, I assume the same and hence rename the files/folders |
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| 09:10:25 | Llorean | But yes, if/when this thing is implemented it'd be a database-only feature. |
| 09:10:44 | crop | Mainly folders since the files are named as nn_title, where nn is the track number |
| 09:10:59 | amiconn | I wonder why this seems so important for some people. |
| 09:11:25 | crop | amiconn: in order to find the songs where you expect them to be? |
| 09:11:44 | amiconn | If they start with 'the' I would just look under 'the' |
| 09:11:50 | * | Llorean agrees with amiconn |
| 09:11:57 | * | petur too |
| 09:12:07 | markun | crop: I do the same |
| 09:12:54 | Llorean | crop: Although, I've been one of the most vocal on the thread. |
| 09:13:08 | Llorean | But that's because I really can't stand behind an idea that's pretty much broken. |
| 09:13:12 | markun | amiconn: would you look for "prodigy" or "the prodigy"? They use both names. |
| 09:13:15 | crop | I'd expect to find "The Beatles" under "B" (like this is e.g. in music shops). But it's just a matter of taste/education/... |
| 09:13:17 | amiconn | There are corner cases, e.g. several versions of a song where one starts with 'The' and the other does not |
| 09:13:58 | amiconn | I would just look in both places when in doubt |
| 09:14:19 | crop | So I decided that for me, in my collection, The Beatles go to B |
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| 09:15:37 | amiconn | markun: The both-names issue only exists for track names imo. For artists it's a tagging consistency issue of one's own collection |
| 09:16:13 | markun | amiconn: consistent with the original CD or with one of the 2 you have chosen? |
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| 09:17:46 | markun | I really like the idea of the sort order tags. That way I can the guy calling himself "µ-Ziq" (greek 'mu') under 'm' |
| 09:19:02 | * | amiconn doesn't like the idea of sort order tags at all |
| 09:19:28 | * | markun doesn't care much about which features amiconn is not going to use as that consists of almost all of rockbox |
| 09:19:39 | amiconn | I'd rather want to have proper collation... I know that's a resource problem |
| 09:20:01 | amiconn | markun: Heh, that's not correct |
| 09:20:29 | markun | imo the sort order tags and proper collation are two separate things |
| 09:21:42 | markun | I think it's just a hack to work around the broken collation with sort order tags in the database |
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| 09:21:46 | amiconn | For instance, the german 'ä' (a umlaut), 'ö' (o umlaut) and 'ü' (u umlaut) would have to be sorted like 'a', 'o' and 'u', respectively. Right now they all go after 'z' |
| 09:23:22 | markun | crop: do you think that "David Bowie" will be under D of B in a store? |
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| 09:23:51 | amiconn | Well, if I'd have to choose between sort order tags and ingnoring 'the', I'd choose the former though |
| 09:23:56 | Llorean | markun: I suspect it depends on which store you go into. |
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| 09:24:39 | markun | I would probably look under B |
| 09:24:42 | amiconn | While I don't really see the need for them, leaving out arbitrary parts of a string for sorting is nasty |
| 09:25:03 | Llorean | As far as I'm concerned, "ignore the" is just broken as long as we try to claim support for multiple languages. |
| 09:25:57 | CaT[tm] | personally, I tried doing that with gtkpod and hated it. I thought of 'the beatles' and immediately went for T. |
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| 09:28:35 | amiconn | Llorean: Yes, and just ignoring 'the' doesn't solve the problem even for english as markun pointed out |
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| 09:35:52 | GodEater_ | I'm personally in favour of putting the sort tags in - although I'd probably never use them as I don't touch the database. |
| 09:36:00 | Tim | Hey folks - I've just installed rockbox on a 1st gen ipod nano |
| 09:36:02 | Tim | now I |
| 09:36:14 | Tim | heard that you can get it to keep playing when charging |
| 09:36:26 | Tim | but I can't find any info on that in the manual |
| 09:36:33 | GodEater_ | Tim: hold "menu" when you plug in the usb cable |
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| 09:37:16 | Tim | Fantastic, thanks :) |
| 09:37:30 | Tim | Also, is there any way to customise the main menu? |
| 09:37:40 | Tim | Like, remove items I'm not going to use from it |
| 09:38:01 | GodEater_ | Tim: alter the source code, rebuild yourself a custom rockbox |
| 09:39:01 | Tim | nods thought that'd be the case :) I'll look in to that. |
| 09:39:28 | Tim | It's a fantastic player - I'm really pleased with it :) |
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| 09:40:08 | GodEater_ | glad you like it |
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| 09:59:14 | crop | markun: sorry, I was a bit off. I'd expect to find David Bowie under B of course. And I name my folders "Bowie, David" |
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| 10:01:01 | markun | crop: what about "Art Blakey" vs "The Art Blakey Quintet"? :) The first under B and the second under A? |
| 10:04:44 | Llorean | markun: Clearly it's "Quintet, Blakely, Art, The" |
| 10:04:53 | markun | of course :) |
| 10:04:55 | petur | hahaha |
| 10:05:07 | crop | markun: :-) You ask hard questions! My general strategy is that I sort by the last name, if it's the name of a person. I also ignore 'the' (e.g. my folder is 'Alan Parson's Project'). Other cases are handled individually. |
| 10:06:21 | crop | In every name, I (probably) have a piece that the name is assotiated with (just for me). "The Art Blakey Quintet" would probably go under A. |
| 10:07:16 | markun | should we put all of our examples in the 'ignore the' thread? |
| 10:07:17 | crop | Since it's not a name of a person, and "the" is ignored (for sorting, not in the tags) |
| 10:07:22 | markun | just to confuse them a little more :) |
| 10:07:36 | crop | Or in the wiki |
| 10:07:37 | GodEater_ | I don't think we need to :) |
| 10:08:01 | GodEater_ | once the sorting tags go in to svn people can sort on whatever the hell they choose - and we don't have to care |
| 10:08:07 | Llorean | I think everyone, even those in favour of "Ignore The", agree that it's somewhat broken in many circumstances. |
| 10:08:17 | Llorean | Their argument is just "The convenience outweighs the brokenness" |
| 10:08:31 | Llorean | So trying to further prove it's broken doesn't do much good. :) |
| 10:08:38 | markun | GodEater_: the 'left to WPS' guys also became very quiet after we added the main menu |
| 10:08:50 | GodEater_ | Llorean: I think you meant "convenience, the" |
| 10:08:55 | * | Llorean grins. |
| 10:08:58 | GodEater_ | :) |
| 10:09:16 | GodEater_ | and of course "brokeness, the" |
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| 10:11:03 | crop | Yes, I also think that the sort tags will allow everyone to achieve the goal "ignore the" and a lot more, and in a very elegant manner |
| 10:11:14 | * | markun agrees |
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| 10:11:43 | markun | and it doesn't meen we shouldn't have better collation too |
| 10:12:00 | crop | markun: what software do you use for tagging? I use MediaMonkey but I haven't seen sort tags there. |
| 10:12:35 | markun | I use some scripts together I made which use vorbiscomment and vim :) |
| 10:12:50 | crop | Ah, I forget all the time that it's only for the DB so it will be of no meaning for me :-/ |
| 10:13:21 | crop | So I'll stick with my current modus operandi |
| 10:13:40 | Tim | I have a dumb question about menus: |
| 10:13:43 | Tim | why is the "up a level" button the back button, and not the "menu" button? |
| 10:13:46 | Tim | (on the ipod) |
| 10:13:55 | linuxstb | Tim: Because it makes sense... |
| 10:14:03 | linuxstb | MENU is used to enter and leave menus |
| 10:14:15 | markun | Tim: I think it was like this on all targets before we did the ipod port |
| 10:14:21 | Tim | it makes sense on paper, |
| 10:14:21 | markun | is it different in the ipod firmware? |
| 10:14:26 | Tim | yes |
| 10:14:34 | linuxstb | Tim: It makes sense if you don't use Apple's firmware. |
| 10:14:48 | Tim | the problem is that if I'm in the WPS, and I go into the context menu, then want to get back to the WPS |
| 10:14:59 | Tim | I want to hammer the "up a level" button |
| 10:15:00 | linuxstb | Then MENU should do it |
| 10:15:02 | Tim | but if I do that |
| 10:15:13 | Tim | then it'll change song |
| 10:15:17 | Tim | if I press it too much |
| 10:15:20 | markun | wow |
| 10:15:43 | markun | ipod button layout is weird :) |
| 10:16:16 | Tim | hehe, yeah, it sounds weird |
| 10:16:20 | linuxstb | Hmm, MENU from the context menu doesn't leave the menu, but takes you to the main menu instead... |
| 10:16:27 | Tim | but I think they've put a lot of thought into it |
| 10:16:31 | Tim | yeah, it's |
| 10:16:43 | markun | I don't think it should |
| 10:16:55 | Tim | (uh, that last line should read without the "it's") |
| 10:17:08 | linuxstb | Tim: You can also press PLAY to leave the context menu and take you back to the WPS (PLAY takes you to the WPS from most places) |
| 10:17:34 | Tim | On the apple firmware, back + forward are always player commands |
| 10:17:39 | Tim | the center button selects |
| 10:18:03 | Tim | and the menu button brings up the menu from WPS or goes up a level if you're already in a menu |
| 10:18:29 | Tim | linuxstb: so it does, thanks :) |
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| 10:20:04 | linuxstb | Tim: If you can think of a better button layout that gives users access to all the features in Rockbox, plus is as consistent as possible throughout the different screens, please try and document it. |
| 10:20:25 | Tim | I'll have a think about that, and will do :) |
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| 10:20:35 | GodEater_ | Tim: note that this does not mean "copy Apple's firmware" :) |
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| 10:20:50 | Tim | hehe, yes :) |
| 10:21:26 | Tim | I switched to rockbox because apple's firmware is good, but not quite right for everything I want to do |
| 10:21:34 | * | GodEater_ is discovering new ways to control Rockbox on a daily basis, and has been using it for nearly two years. He doesn't think it'll be an easy job. |
| 10:21:49 | pondlife | So many contexts.... ;) |
| 10:21:55 | GodEater_ | yep |
| 10:22:14 | GodEater_ | esp. the context menus on the main menu items. That one was a complete curveball for me yesterday. |
| 10:22:17 | Tim | yeah |
| 10:22:32 | GodEater_ | genius idea though whoever thought of it |
| 10:22:49 | Tim | I also noticed that there's no consistant way to exit plugins |
| 10:22:51 | pondlife | JDGordon I think |
| 10:22:58 | pondlife | Very useful, I agree |
| 10:23:05 | GodEater_ | our dyslexic / bad typing little genius |
| 10:23:27 | JdGordon | linuxstb thoghht of it... I just implemented it |
| 10:23:33 | pondlife | Tim: There should be, wherever possible... but many haven't been updated |
| 10:23:45 | pondlife | On another topic, am I correct in thinking it's a big no-no calling /apps code from /firmware code...? |
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| 10:23:53 | JdGordon | yes |
| 10:24:04 | Tim | ok. What's the 'standard' way to exit a plugin? |
| 10:24:08 | pondlife | Hmm, bang goes my fast responding keyclick |
| 10:25:30 | pondlife | Tim: I would guess the STOP button (on my H300 at least)... |
| 10:25:44 | pondlife | But it probably depends on which device. |
| 10:25:58 | GodEater_ | trouble is some of the plugins require a lot more controls than others |
| 10:25:59 | pondlife | On H300 - STOP = exit, generally |
| 10:26:04 | XavierGr | what? since when menu items have context menu??? |
| 10:26:06 | GodEater_ | you run out of ways to call exit |
| 10:26:07 | pondlife | Some require a menu to be used. |
| 10:26:13 | GodEater_ | XavierGr: welcome to the party :) |
| 10:26:26 | XavierGr | Rockbox still surprises me after 2 years... |
| 10:26:31 | pondlife | XavierGr: Try it, very useful for database updating and access to playback settings |
| 10:26:38 | XavierGr | Indeed |
| 10:27:02 | XavierGr | when was it commited I dont remember anything about it |
| 10:27:10 | GodEater_ | Tim: I think that highlights the mountain you've got to climb if you're going to rethink the control mechanism :) |
| 10:27:36 | GodEater_ | XavierGr: look at the logs yesterday, linuxstb asked the same question |
| 10:27:41 | * | GodEater_ doesn't recall the answer though |
| 10:27:47 | JdGordon | XavierGr: august I tihnk |
| 10:28:08 | GodEater_ | hahaha - it's been there nearly a year, and I only just found it! |
| 10:28:09 | XavierGr | actually it is awesome |
| 10:28:27 | * | GodEater_ needs to read "MajorChanges" more often |
| 10:28:35 | XavierGr | and yeah pitty that I didnt know about it before |
| 10:28:47 | XavierGr | I wonder how I missed the commit message |
| 10:29:29 | XavierGr | like a pure Rockbox-aholic the first thing to do when I get to the PC is check the Rockbox frontpage for new commits |
| 10:29:29 | JdGordon | no, april... not august |
| 10:29:34 | XavierGr | heh |
| 10:29:55 | JdGordon | stupid months sarting with 'a' :p |
| 10:29:56 | GodEater_ | ah - that's an obvious type then JdGordon :) |
| 10:30:02 | GodEater_ | *typo |
| 10:30:05 | GodEater_ | oh the irony |
| 10:30:05 | pondlife | lol |
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| 10:30:12 | pondlife | Of all the words... |
| 10:30:17 | GodEater_ | indeed |
| 10:30:18 | XavierGr | amiconn: have you uploaded your vmware image anywhere? |
| 10:31:11 | XavierGr | mine has dpkg broken since I did the stupid thing to remove the info folder without having a backup |
| 10:31:15 | bospaadje | Tim: in plugins where 'back' (or through a menu) doesn't work, it's mostly menu+select |
| 10:31:41 | bospaadje | see the manual for detailed info on all available plugins, including button mappings |
| 10:32:07 | Tim | GodEater_: heh. Yeah... I'll have to play around with it a bit more. At the moment it feels like it could be improved for the ipod, but it's possible that I just need to be more used to it. |
| 10:33:10 | Tim | bospaadje: thanks, I'll remember that :) |
| 10:33:12 | bospaadje | the only problem with ipod buttons i have currently is that the hold button doesnt switch off properly (i have to scroll first before any buttons work after switching hold off) |
| 10:33:14 | GodEater_ | Tim: I suspect the latter |
| 10:33:18 | Tim | hehe |
| 10:33:50 | GodEater_ | the ipod suffers from nearly the least number of buttons (I think only Ondios have less) |
| 10:34:29 | GodEater_ | it's certainly the only RB target I've used which uses the concept of "press, hold, hold even longer" |
| 10:34:37 | bospaadje | the current mapping is pretty good, considering the small number of buttons |
| 10:34:53 | bospaadje | indeed, though the 'hold even longer' one gets annoying sometimes |
| 10:35:04 | GodEater_ | markun: have you come up with a decent use for the "speaker" button on the GB remote yet ? |
| 10:35:36 | linuxstb | Enable/disable text-to-speech ? |
| 10:35:57 | GodEater_ | that'll be a good use when we have that working :) |
| 10:36:17 | Tim | I think the problem I had with it is that the menu is very hard to get used to coming from the original firmware (this may not be a problem) |
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| 10:38:33 | bospaadje | Tim, i needed some time to get used to that as well |
| 10:40:32 | Tim | I'll keep quiet 'til I'm more used to it then :) |
| 10:42:01 | GodEater_ | Tim: It would be quite difficult for rockbox to be familiar to everyone coming from an original firmware, since they all work differently on different manufacturer's daps |
| 10:43:29 | amiconn | XavierGr: I have no big enough space to upload it to |
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| 10:44:48 | Tim | GodEater_: I agree. Especially as different players have different concepts - and sometimes it's new concepts that you actually want from rockbox (the standard ipod doesn't let you queue or insert songs in the middle of playlists, for example) |
| 10:45:46 | GodEater_ | or any of the other gazillion features rockbox offers over the original firmware :) |
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| 10:46:33 | amiconn | GodEater: Where does the ipod use the concept of 'hold longer' (except for power down)? |
| 10:47:05 | amiconn | Short and long press were invented for the Ondio, btw |
| 10:47:13 | XavierGr | amiconn: dcc? |
| 10:47:27 | GodEater_ | amiconn: only for power down that I know of |
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| 10:48:06 | XavierGr | amiconn: or better ftp if you have a server up on your machine |
| 10:48:29 | amiconn | And whether the ondio or the ipod has fewer buttons depends on how you count |
| 10:49:01 | GodEater_ | amiconn: I only caveated the Ondio because I don't actually own one, so wasn't sure :) |
| 10:49:16 | XavierGr | amiconn: or you could uploade the image to Bagder to put it in the wiki and then we can all get it |
| 10:49:22 | JdGordon | anyone want to have a quick look at a patch to turn more debug screens into lists? |
| 10:49:50 | JdGordon | and I'm not sure what the bin delta would be if I commited... would it be OK to commit, then revert if its too red? |
| 10:50:46 | pixelma | GodEater: you could have compared the drawings in the manuals ;) |
| 10:51:59 | GodEater_ | pixelma: I could - but I'm inherently lazy :) |
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| 11:01:52 | amiconn | GodEater: The Ondio has 6 buttons. The iPod has 5 buttons plus scroll fwd/back |
| 11:01:57 | B4gder | http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/one_plus_one_is_fifty |
| 11:02:03 | B4gder | good reading |
| 11:02:10 | amiconn | And power down being an even longer press is common to most targets |
| 11:03:45 | markun | GodEater_: it will probably be the 'menu' button and long-play for 'stop' like llorean suggested |
| 11:05:54 | pondlife | lol - just noticed the logo for DevConWest |
| 11:06:05 | pondlife | Did the "proper" DevCon get one? |
| 11:07:01 | linuxstb | pondlife: Where is the logo? |
| 11:07:16 | pondlife | Top of the home page |
| 11:07:16 | linuxstb | Ah, on the home page... |
| 11:07:24 | scorche | pondlife: yes it did |
| 11:07:32 | pondlife | I must have blinked |
| 11:07:44 | scorche | http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/4474/rockboxdevconnz8.png |
| 11:07:51 | * | pondlife thinks about Dr Who again |
| 11:07:58 | scorche | good show, that =) |
| 11:08:10 | pondlife | This week's one was particularly good |
| 11:08:24 | pondlife | Possiblly the best one I've ever seen - including Tom Baker era. |
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| 11:09:28 | scorche | pondlife: dont go near any gargoyles... |
| 11:09:56 | pondlife | scorche: I removed a statue from my birdtable already |
| 11:10:00 | scorche | haha |
| 11:10:24 | pondlife | They went all out to scare the kiddies I think!! |
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| 11:11:18 | scorche | when they had the light going out in the basement...that was scary =) ....i like how they did the transcript and the dvd though |
| 11:11:46 | pondlife | Yes. It's about time they made more plot use of time travel. |
| 11:11:52 | pondlife | No pun intended |
| 11:12:32 | pondlife | Back on topic, anyone know if it's possible to monitor the mic on an H300 during playback? |
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| 11:14:43 | markun | B4gder: yes, nice read indeed |
| 11:14:48 | linuxstb | pondlife: I believe so - preglow has been talking about effects plugins forever that would make use of that. |
| 11:14:49 | markun | including some of the comments |
| 11:15:27 | pondlife | linuxstb: I was dreaming of a simple "clap" control... One clap for skip forward, two for stop... |
| 11:15:45 | pondlife | A pipe dream? |
| 11:16:09 | linuxstb | It would make you look crazy on the bus though... |
| 11:16:24 | pondlife | Hah! I already look crazy on the bus. |
| 11:16:32 | B4gder | btw, I threw in a comment to the Neuros N3 people that rockboxers might be interested if they just pick publicly documented hw |
| 11:18:05 | linuxstb | It seems unlikely to be anything other than DM320 though, from what little I've read. |
| 11:19:10 | linuxstb | Curious idea for "lossy FLAC" over at HA - http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=55522 |
| 11:23:12 | markun | linuxstb: now you can't even trust a flac file to be lossless anymore :) |
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| 11:24:06 | scorche | what makes that so when people have transcoded lossy files into flac files in the past? |
| 11:24:19 | Journey | is this the channel for developers? |
| 11:24:28 | scorche | Journey: we only have one channel |
| 11:24:50 | preglow | pondlife: might even be possible in an ordinary plugin right now, if plugins can control playback |
| 11:24:59 | linuxstb | markun: What scorche said (and it's discussed in the thread) - you have no idea about the source WAV that was encoded to flac. |
| 11:25:12 | linuxstb | (unless you encoded it yourself) |
| 11:25:32 | GodEater_ | does anyone know an easy way of switching between a standard library and it's debug version when building with gcc/make ? |
| 11:25:38 | scorche | well, you can also trust it if a log file is included as well |
| 11:25:56 | linuxstb | scorche: Not really - the CD could come from a lossy source. |
| 11:25:58 | preglow | how does anyone expect rockbox to be able to cancel noise? |
| 11:26:11 | scorche | linuxstb: yeah...i thought of that right after i hit enter ;) |
| 11:26:25 | preglow | are there headphones with mics near the actual speakers? |
| 11:26:45 | scorche | preglow: there has been people wanting to play doom3 on the ipod as well...not a far off departure, really |
| 11:26:58 | Journey | great :) I downloaded the source code, but the docs don't seem to tell much about what tools are used to compile it, and which processors each build is meant for. What would I need to be able to compile assembly level code for a particular player? |
| 11:27:01 | linuxstb | preglow: Thinking about the "dc bias" patch, wouldn't that break lossless decoding? |
| 11:27:21 | Journey | I think it's GCC, but that's about as much asd the docs say |
| 11:27:27 | scorche | Journey: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers |
| 11:27:46 | preglow | linuxstb: how would it do that? |
| 11:27:56 | Journey | great thanks |
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| 11:28:48 | linuxstb | preglow: I misunderstood, ignore me... |
| 11:29:32 | markun | linuxstb: ah, it's the Replay Gain guy |
| 11:29:36 | preglow | bias should only be added if shifting is needed at all, if it isn't, then nothing extra happens, if shifting is needed, then this will just further enhance the output we have now, even from lossless codecs |
| 11:30:10 | preglow | i'm just waiting to hear jhMikeS' further output on the coldfire asm code before commiting |
| 11:32:33 | amiconn | This 'lossy flac' idea sounds odd |
| 11:32:55 | amiconn | Dropping the bits below a certain level would increase quantisation noise afaiu |
| 11:33:21 | preglow | well, if all there is there is noise... |
| 11:33:29 | preglow | then you're just changing the shape of the noise |
| 11:34:21 | amiconn | yes |
| 11:34:30 | amiconn | But for the worse, I think |
| 11:35:31 | preglow | well, there you go |
| 11:35:32 | preglow | it's lossy |
| 11:35:44 | preglow | the fact it's changed for the worse should be no surprise |
| 11:36:30 | * | GodEater_ guesses no-one knows |
| 11:36:50 | * | preglow guesses he knows no-one |
| 11:37:58 | * | linuxstb avoids the urge to type "/nick no-one" |
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| 11:47:44 | Llorean | What's silly is the people talking about how he should rename it, or how he's "forking" FLAC. I never realized preprocessing your audio before encoding with a separate encoder qualified as modifying the audio. I wonder if I've forked MP3 by transcoding from lossless... |
| 11:48:26 | Llorean | I'll be interested to see what comes of it, at least. |
| 11:49:11 | JdGordon | I have a little problem... the current setting screen code (set_int/sound/bool/option) copies the the setting info from settings_list.c into a smaller struct which IMHO feels a bit mor hacky than it should, So I spent a while cleaning up the code to use the setting_list.c code for items directly, and I tihnk the code looks better, but because of the extra flexibility needed it blew out the bin size by a fair bit... |
| 11:49:29 | linuxstb | Llorean: I think that came from the suggestion of implementing it as an option in the flac encoder. |
| 11:49:41 | pondlife | JdGordon: A fair bit? |
| 11:49:44 | JdGordon | are we happy with the current code and s scrap the changes...? or are we ok with adding more bin for better flexibility? |
| 11:49:50 | GodEater_ | there goes that 20K again |
| 11:49:51 | GodEater_ | :) |
| 11:49:58 | JdGordon | pondlife: ~1k i tihnk |
| 11:50:09 | * | pondlife was thinking "is a fair bit >= 20k" too |
| 11:50:13 | JdGordon | i cant do preoper checks here. this comp is stuffed :p |
| 11:50:38 | pondlife | Of course, many targets didn't gain 20k (yet) |
| 11:51:11 | JdGordon | this extra code will make things like customizable quickscreens, and inline settings ( in the menus) much easier to add |
| 11:51:21 | pondlife | JdGordon: I would generally vote for simpler code, but it probably depends on the effect on an Archos buffer size. |
| 11:52:29 | pondlife | Do you know what resulted in the larger BIN? Removing duplicated data should've made it smaller, I'd think... just pointers. |
| 11:53:14 | JdGordon | the differene was instead of using one struct which had data, we now use the 4 avilable in settings_list |
| 11:53:53 | pondlife | But those 4 were already there? So there's extra new code required to look at all 4 parts? |
| 11:54:03 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 11:54:46 | JdGordon | ok, WTF? just did a clea build, then he patched build for h300... -200 delta... |
| 11:54:48 | JdGordon | ignore me :p |
| 11:55:00 | * | pondlife ignores JdGordon |
| 11:55:03 | JdGordon | the e200 build was bigger... |
| 11:55:19 | * | JdGordon has renewed motivation to finish this patch :p |
| 11:55:24 | pondlife | What about Archos? |
| 11:55:26 | pixelma | customisable quick screens? The Ondio doesn't have a quick screen at all and I don't really miss it |
| 11:55:50 | JdGordon | my sh gcc is fubar, and I ran rockboxdev.sh today again and still not correct |
| 11:56:34 | pondlife | With Cygwin, I'm stuck on GCC 3.4.4. No good for binsize checking. |
| 11:56:35 | JdGordon | pixelma: it would allow you to put alomost any of the settings on the screen where you want it. (up to 4 settings per screen...) maybe allow different setting for the different quickscreen contexts :) |
| 11:57:53 | pixelma | on what screen? |
| 11:58:40 | JdGordon | the quickscreen |
| 11:59:37 | pixelma | read my first comment again... |
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| 12:00:27 | pixelma | though on my M5 I can reach the quick screen, I still don't use it much |
| 12:00:41 | JdGordon | I read it... on the targets which do have it, it would be great if the settings wernt so bad |
| 12:02:47 | pondlife | bad? |
| 12:03:10 | JdGordon | hmm... I'm just thining about which 4 setting I use the most (or would actually want on the QS) and cant think of any ;p |
| 12:03:57 | pondlife | I would rather the quick screen was select .CFG if anything... Not that I have a problem with the menus as they are. |
| 12:04:18 | pondlife | I most often select "Car.cfg" or "Normal.cfg" |
| 12:04:43 | pondlife | via the main menu context menu :) |
| 12:04:45 | petur | great idea... I have headphones.cfg and lineout.cfg on mine ;) |
| 12:05:05 | * | JdGordon just has config.cfg |
| 12:05:28 | petur | have a quickscreen that lists a number of config presets |
| 12:05:46 | JdGordon | tat could be possible also |
| 12:07:44 | pondlife | I suspect that most users have no idea how flexible .cfg files are. |
| 12:08:49 | JdGordon | they are flexible? |
| 12:08:50 | Llorean | So, replacing the quickscreen with the "Browse .cfg files" screen might give them incentive to learn. ;) |
| 12:09:18 | Llorean | The entire menuing system could actually be replaced with a clever directory structure of one-line config files. |
| 12:09:27 | Llorean | I'd say that's "pretty flexible" |
| 12:09:38 | * | Llorean has just solved the customizable menu problem! |
| 12:09:49 | JdGordon | we would even wi the award for the worlds worst UI if we did that |
| 12:09:56 | Llorean | Indeed |
| 12:10:00 | pondlife | And support hell! |
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| 12:10:10 | linuxstb | And disk spin-up hell... |
| 12:10:18 | Llorean | Actually, if you did it cleverly, any "list" style menu would look the same |
| 12:11:09 | petur | add desktop.ini style stuff in them to change the icon |
| 12:11:15 | * | petur ducks |
| 12:11:39 | * | pondlife throws rocks |
| 12:11:45 | pondlife | .rocks, even |
| 12:11:47 | JdGordon | the only thing bad about this is localisatio wouldnt work |
| 12:11:49 | petur | lol |
| 12:12:12 | Llorean | Bah, just distribute zips of localized .cfg files rather than language files. Problem solved. :-P |
| 12:12:39 | JdGordon | brilliant :) |
| 12:12:43 | * | linuxstb starts to worry about what devconwest will throw up |
| 12:13:13 | Llorean | I promise not to suggest replacing the menuing system with an extensive hierarchy of foldered .cfg files during DevConW |
| 12:13:22 | petur | from my experiences in the state, bad beer.... |
| 12:13:34 | JdGordon | ah, but there is nothing stoping you from actually doing it.... |
| 12:13:39 | pondlife | bad beer does get thrown up, yes. |
| 12:13:49 | Llorean | I do *not* however promise not to put together a basic menu hierarchy so that next time someone asks for configurable menus I can point them to a wiki page and say "Try this instead" :-P |
| 12:14:11 | pondlife | Those people won't care about spin up probably anyway.. |
| 12:14:18 | JdGordon | dircache.... |
| 12:14:27 | pondlife | Still has to read the file contents |
| 12:14:30 | JdGordon | only get spinups if you actually change anything |
| 12:14:40 | petur | or read! |
| 12:14:52 | * | pondlife realises there is no such thing as bad beer, only misunderstood beer. |
| 12:14:55 | petur | the contens of files isn't cached |
| 12:15:09 | JdGordon | pondlife: you havnt had carton light ice then |
| 12:15:37 | pondlife | Logically, if there is no such thing as bad beer, then if it is bad, it can't actually be beer. |
| 12:15:54 | JdGordon | ah.. haha :D |
| 12:16:04 | pondlife | And no, I've not tried it. |
| 12:16:26 | JdGordon | kangaroo piss is the unfortunate subsitute for the heavenely brew tha goes into light ice |
| 12:16:50 | pondlife | Ah, well roo_piss != beer... |
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| 12:17:34 | * | pondlife is enjoying the keyclick thing - anyone else who's a bit blind tried it? |
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| 12:29:25 | preglow | only reason i want to go to the us is for the beer, heh |
| 12:30:04 | * | petur invites preglow to Belgium. It's closer and the beer is better ;) |
| 12:30:13 | JdGordon | umm.. wtf? since when does the us have good beer? |
| 12:31:24 | preglow | since craft beers started popping up about twenty years ago |
| 12:31:40 | * | petur walks away for lunch |
| 12:31:51 | pondlife | preglow: Where in the world are you? |
| 12:31:58 | preglow | no, budweiser and millers still is shit, but now you get stuff like anchor, brooklyn brewery and dogfish head |
| 12:32:02 | preglow | pondlife: norway |
| 12:32:27 | pondlife | Ah, not Canada... |
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| 12:33:50 | preglow | not canada... |
| 12:33:51 | preglow | heh |
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| 12:40:31 | Tim | sooo..... prepares to be pelted with rocks ...I wanna customise the menus a little bit... |
| 12:40:50 | Tim | Am I right in thinking that I just need to change the MAKE_MENU calls? |
| 12:41:11 | Tim | so they have different things in them? |
| 12:41:14 | Mode | "#rockbox +o preglow " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 12:41:20 | preglow | :-) |
| 12:41:33 | Mode | "#rockbox -o preglow " by preglow (n=thomj@rockbox/developer/preglow) |
| 12:42:00 | Soap | is it "The Ignore" or "Ignore, The"? ;) |
| 12:42:10 | preglow | i wonder why someone haven't done a patch for it yet |
| 12:42:13 | Tim | (in places like apps/menus/main_menu.c) |
| 12:42:16 | preglow | it seems to be popular |
| 12:44:00 | JdGordon | Tim: yep |
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| 12:44:57 | Tim | JdGordon: Awesome, thanks. Where are the menu names stored? (I don't think I'll want to change them, just curious). |
| 12:47:37 | B4gder | iaudio 7 claims 60 hours runtime and plays flac/ogg in the OF => http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/14/cowons-iaudio-7-packs-8gb-of-flac-on-flash/ |
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| 12:48:03 | B4gder | (8GB flash) |
| 12:48:31 | B4gder | we haven't started a new port in a while ... :-) |
| 12:48:42 | Tim | Nevermind, I found it. |
| 12:49:12 | pixelma | preglow: you mean "ignore 'The', The"? |
| 12:50:28 | Tim | Well, there is a group called "The The"... |
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| 12:50:59 | * | preglow gets confused |
| 12:51:04 | * | linuxstb ponders how to sort The A Team |
| 12:51:08 | preglow | B4gder: any hardware details? |
| 12:51:10 | preglow | linuxstb: hahahah |
| 12:52:14 | B4gder | preglow: nope |
| 12:52:24 | B4gder | but it is priced at 229000 won ;-O |
| 12:52:55 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 12:53:18 | B4gder | "the nose which is ting function, text and image file pyu it equipped." |
| 12:53:24 | * | B4gder giggles |
| 12:53:33 | B4gder | don't you love automated translations? ;-) |
| 12:53:56 | * | preglow gives up trying to understand anything |
| 12:54:32 | linuxstb | B4gder: That's quite expensive - 246 USD... |
| 12:54:38 | B4gder | ouch |
| 12:58:26 | linuxstb | What do people think about 90 degree LCD rotation? Is it a wanted feature (if implemented as efficiently as possible) ? |
| 12:59:25 | pondlife | I would think it useful to do at a low-level. Should be more efficient and resolve numerous other Sansa hacks...? |
| 12:59:37 | pondlife | Key map rotation is probably the trickier bit. |
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| 13:00:09 | linuxstb | Rockbox already supports keymap rotation - for the LCD flip |
| 13:00:31 | pondlife | OK, so that could be extended to 90 degrees too? |
| 13:00:41 | linuxstb | Exactly. |
| 13:01:06 | preglow | i don't see any point in any of them, so don't ask me... |
| 13:01:20 | linuxstb | I'm thinking that most of the work for the LCD is already done by the screens API - it uses a set of function pointers for the LCD drawing and lcd_width/lcd_height are variables for each screen. |
| 13:02:09 | linuxstb | So one option would be a new set of LCD drawing functions that do the drawing rotated, and you just modify the screens API to point to those new functions when rotating the screen. |
| 13:02:43 | markun | linuxstb: do you want the screen to always be rotated? I think there are people who like the WPS to be rotated on the Gigabeat but not the rest for example |
| 13:02:58 | linuxstb | Or the alternative is to make LCD_WIDTH and LCD_HEIGHT variables in the lcd driver itself, and perform the rotation in lcd_update(). |
| 13:03:07 | linuxstb | markun: I think it only makes sense to be changable at runtime. |
| 13:04:17 | linuxstb | So potentially different screens could use different rotations, but I'm not sure if that would make sense. Gigabeat owners need to make more WPSs.... |
| 13:04:52 | linuxstb | I remember ipod video/nano owners complaining that all the nice WPSs were for the H300... |
| 13:04:55 | markun | I think the WPS rotation should be separate |
| 13:05:32 | markun | what happens to the selected WPS when you want to change the screen rotation because you think that's nicer for browsing through your file list.. |
| 13:05:36 | merbzt | linuxstb: http://codecs.multimedia.cx/?p=52 |
| 13:06:06 | merbzt | linuxstb: probably wont take more then a month before we have a native decoder :) |
| 13:06:50 | * | pondlife thought we already did |
| 13:07:01 | linuxstb | merbzt: What do you mean by "native" ? |
| 13:07:07 | markun | merbzt: good news about the range coding! |
| 13:07:24 | preglow | ppc native? |
| 13:07:47 | linuxstb | merbzt: Have you changed nicks to confuse me? |
| 13:07:55 | scorche | just checking once more, if i were to have the devcon feed in flash, would anyone be excluded around here? |
| 13:08:12 | preglow | i don't have flash :-) |
| 13:08:19 | markun | me neither |
| 13:08:26 | * | pondlife neither neither |
| 13:08:26 | preglow | livin la vida amd64 |
| 13:08:37 | amiconn | I think lcd rotation would open a whole can of worms |
| 13:08:39 | markun | maybe I could install it through linux emulation |
| 13:08:43 | scorche | hrm...nvm then, i suppose |
| 13:08:57 | B4gder | preglow: "vivo la vida" if I may ;-) |
| 13:09:37 | linuxstb | scorche: I thought Rockbox was an open source project, promoting open standards? ;) |
| 13:10:00 | scorche | linuxstb: well, it is an open source streamcast =P |
| 13:10:13 | B4gder | we only make rubbish anyway |
| 13:10:24 | preglow | shit, if i may say so |
| 13:10:31 | GodEater_ | by the bag |
| 13:10:38 | merbzt | linuxstb: merbzt when I'm at work, merbanan at home |
| 13:10:38 | markun | a theora stream with mpc audio or something obscure like that :) |
| 13:10:57 | B4gder | "Seems everyone is too busy implementing rubbish like the demo's and stupid games" |
| 13:10:59 | merbzt | linuxstb: s/native/ffmpeg native/ |
| 13:11:01 | B4gder | one of the early favourites |
| 13:11:16 | pondlife | Ah, those demo's |
| 13:11:16 | linuxstb | merbzt: OK :) Then it's obvious what you meant by native. |
| 13:11:30 | markun | B4gder: I forgot which important things he suggested us to work on instead.. |
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| 13:11:49 | scorche | hrm...anyone have an idea how to do an mjpeg stream content? |
| 13:12:11 | B4gder | markun: he didn't suggest anything other than "Bye and have fun. I'm reverting to the Archos firmware. I didn't buy a |
| 13:12:11 | B4gder | gameboy and I don't want to take aspirin." |
| 13:12:30 | * | pondlife likes aspirin |
| 13:12:33 | B4gder | what fun would rockbox be without the whiners? |
| 13:12:35 | scorche | preglow: btw, http://gwenole.beauchesne.info/projects/nspluginwrapper/ would take care of the flash/amd64 issue, i suppose |
| 13:12:52 | markun | I'm always so sad to see them leave.. |
| 13:13:36 | preglow | really? even with sound? even the native 32 bit plugin running under 32 bit opera doesn't do sound here |
| 13:13:52 | preglow | guess i'll have to try |
| 13:13:54 | merbzt | preglow: the wrapper works for me |
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| 13:20:04 | JdGordon | linuxstb: screen rotation would be sweet, but it shhuold b done in the lcd driver, not a screen-drawing decision... |
| 13:20:16 | markun | linuxstb: will you talk to Kostya about the APE decoder in ffmpeg? |
| 13:23:11 | linuxstb | JdGordon: What do you mean by "not a screen drawing decision" ? |
| 13:23:40 | pondlife | It should be transparent to the apps? |
| 13:23:45 | JdGordon | I mean, either the whole ui should be rotated, or nothing... |
| 13:23:53 | linuxstb | amiconn: What problems do you see with screen rotation? |
| 13:24:04 | JdGordon | I might have misread though, but you mentioned an exra lcd funcito to draw rotated? |
| 13:24:35 | dionoea | would that rotation be a compile time option or runtime ? |
| 13:24:37 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Yes, one way is extra lcd functions, but the apps/ code doesn't need to know about them - it continues using the screens API. |
| 13:24:51 | pondlife | dionoea: runtime, I hope |
| 13:25:07 | linuxstb | Compile-time rotation is trivial - there's already a patch for it. |
| 13:25:18 | dionoea | so all the LCD_HEIGHT / LCD_WIDTH related macros in plugins and stuff would need major changes, no ? |
| 13:25:29 | JdGordon | linuxstb: that would limit it to only the drawing which actually uses the screen api. in the driver it would work much better |
| 13:25:46 | linuxstb | dionoea: plugins are a separate issue. I'm just thinking about the core for now. |
| 13:26:14 | linuxstb | JdGordon: But all the apps code (including plugins) _should_ be using the screens API... |
| 13:26:27 | JdGordon | _should_ being the important bit there... |
| 13:26:29 | JdGordon | alot doesnt |
| 13:26:48 | linuxstb | I know - implementing rotation would mean finishing the screens API transition, at least for 100% of the core. |
| 13:26:53 | JdGordon | actually... no im getting confused |
| 13:27:21 | pondlife | linuxstb: Are there older UI APIs we could scrap too? |
| 13:27:55 | linuxstb | I don't think so - the apps/ code needs to stop calling the lcd driver directly, and go via the screens API. |
| 13:28:08 | linuxstb | But the screens API uses the lcd driver functions, so no code can be removed. |
| 13:28:32 | preglow | any news on gigabeat s, btw? |
| 13:28:54 | B4gder | preglow: we expect the devconwest guys to have the port done by sunday! ;-P |
| 13:29:02 | preglow | damn straight! |
| 13:29:08 | preglow | and to hell with them if they haven't |
| 13:29:15 | scorche | preglow: there was a bit today, i believe.,..check #gigabeat 's log |
| 13:29:47 | scorche | well, toffe had some emergency work, so he might not be coming till later =/ |
| 13:30:08 | preglow | he does surgery on people as well as gigabeats? :> |
| 13:30:13 | amiconn | linuxstb: The fact that width and height become variable. Lots of places aren't prepared for that. Also, how would you handle stuff like wps positioning, or backdrops? |
| 13:30:14 | JdGordon | hehe new logo :) |
| 13:30:40 | linuxstb | amiconn: That's my point about the screens API - lcd_width and lcd_height are variables there. |
| 13:30:52 | amiconn | You cannot handle everything in the screen api |
| 13:31:06 | scorche | preglow: it was a tomato emergency, actually |
| 13:31:58 | preglow | tomatical emergency |
| 13:33:08 | amiconn | Also, how would the lcd framebuffer look like? Some plugins (have to) use that directly... |
| 13:33:38 | JdGordon | and other nasty stuff like buffer allocation... |
| 13:34:04 | linuxstb | The framebuffer would change format depending on screen orientation. Plugins would need to explicitly set an orientation. |
| 13:34:17 | linuxstb | But the framebuffer is obviously still the same size.... |
| 13:35:02 | linuxstb | I agree it's not straightforward though, which is why I'm asking if people think it's worthwhile... |
| 13:35:18 | linuxstb | But I don't think any of the issues are unsolvable. |
| 13:36:27 | JdGordon | the framebuffer isnt the only buffer which is allocated by the LCD_WIDTH or HIEGHT |
| 13:36:45 | JdGordon | and some might only use one of them, so the bffer would change size size |
| 13:37:11 | linuxstb | If they only use one, then you define it as MAX(LCD_WIDTH,LCD_HEIGHT) |
| 13:37:16 | dionoea | maybe you could bundle lcd rotation code with memory allocation code :D |
| 13:37:39 | JdGordon | linuxstb: thats no good for static buffers.... |
| 13:37:47 | preglow | how does one make twiki not try to make alink out of a camelcase word? |
| 13:37:47 | linuxstb | But I'm not aware of many buffers like that. |
| 13:37:53 | linuxstb | !CamelCase |
| 13:37:56 | preglow | leet |
| 13:38:06 | JdGordon | 1337 if you must... |
| 13:38:20 | B4gder | preglow: <nop>CamelCase |
| 13:38:37 | JdGordon | he patch for the gigabeat rotation makes a new define REAL_LCD_WIDTH and REAL_LCD_HEIGHT doesnt it? tha could wrk |
| 13:39:28 | preglow | just cleaning up the gsoc page to remove all stuff that was accepted this year |
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| 13:39:34 | Soap | though if after the no-link header "−−++!! |
| 13:40:00 | Soap | you need a space before the ! to prevent WikiWord autolinking |
| 13:40:15 | Soap | −−++!! !NoLink |
| 13:40:18 | Soap | for example |
| 13:40:25 | Soap | not ==++!!!NoLink |
| 13:40:31 | * | B4gder 's brain hurts |
| 13:40:42 | Soap | oops, not −−++!!!NoLInk |
| 13:40:45 | pondlife | ???!! |
| 13:41:37 | preglow | stopit!"¤ |
| 13:42:46 | linuxstb | JdGordon: How could that help? In my mind, you would keep LCD_WIDTH and LCD_HEIGHT as the real dimensions of the LCD, but their use would be forbidden in calculating display positions etc. |
| 13:43:31 | JdGordon | linuxstb: for buffer allocation. yeah, they would have to be off limits for screen positioning |
| 13:43:32 | linuxstb | (which it already is via the screens API to a large extent - there isn't much use of LCD_WIDTH/LCD_HEIGHT left in apps) |
| 13:44:04 | Soap | (I keep messing up) three dashes and a plus is top level heading, two plusses is second level heading, three is third level etc. putting two !'s after the plusses prevents the heading from being in an auto-created Table Of Contents. If you are trying to prevent auto-linking to a WikiWord you need a space between the !!s which prevent TOC creation and the ! which prevents WikiWord linking. |
| 13:44:24 | scorche | doubleplusungood... |
| 13:45:22 | JdGordon | pondlife: adding talking got the patched h300.iriver larger than the svn one :( |
| 13:45:26 | preglow | dystopianbox |
| 13:45:41 | pondlife | JdGordon: Much larger? |
| 13:45:57 | JdGordon | 200bytes |
| 13:46:03 | pondlife | JdGordon: Do you mean for your settings simplification? |
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| 13:46:16 | JdGordon | yah |
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| 13:46:55 | pondlife | Hmm, simpler shouldn't be bigger.... any idea why? Can't you re-use any more existing lookup code? |
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| 13:47:52 | pondlife | And are the structures memory-aligned sensibly? |
| 13:47:58 | JdGordon | dunno |
| 13:48:10 | JdGordon | will look for more optimizing when its actually finished |
| 13:48:48 | preglow | anyone gotten their gsoc shirts, btw? :) |
| 13:49:13 | B4gder | JdGordon/pondlife: can't it be the "nls-effect" ? |
| 13:49:40 | JdGordon | it just might be |
| 13:49:42 | dionoea | preglow: you get them at the end of the project i think |
| 13:49:44 | markun | preglow: not yet |
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| 13:50:16 | Febs | Bagder, could the "iPod Video" and "iPod Video 64MB" links on the current build page be renamed "Ipod Video 30GB" and "iPod Video 60/80 GB" respectively? |
| 13:50:25 | preglow | bah! |
| 13:50:31 | B4gder | not a bad idea |
| 13:50:33 | Febs | I think it would clear up a lot of confusion among users as to which build to download. |
| 13:51:05 | Febs | We're seeing a lot of this in the forums: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=11064.msg74696 |
| 13:51:23 | JdGordon | ! when was the 64mb build added? |
| 13:52:46 | B4gder | JdGordon: 3 weeks, 4 days ago |
| 13:53:28 | JdGordon | righ about when all the build server problems started again... conspiracy anyone? |
| 13:54:11 | pixelma | Bagder: since the introduction of the rockbox-info.txt there is an error message at the end of building a pdf-manual "rockbox/manual/platform/mkinfo.pl: Command not found" - any ideas? |
| 13:54:56 | pixelma | it doesn't make the build fail, it's just a bit annoying... |
| 13:54:57 | B4gder | Febs: try now |
| 13:55:06 | Soap | Febs, how about naming the 32MB one "iPod Video 30/60/80" or "iPod Video All" it's not clear the 64MB version is always ideal for 64MB targets. |
| 13:56:14 | B4gder | pixelma: puzzling... I'll need to work on that |
| 13:56:17 | Febs | B4gder: I like it. Soap: I didn't realize there were any disadvantages to using the 64MB build on the players that support it. |
| 13:56:58 | Soap | Febs: it appears to add very little (if any) to runtime, and those runtime tests were performed under a situation perfect for taking advantage of the larger buffer. |
| 13:57:09 | linuxstb | Febs: If you skip a lot, a lot more unrequired buffering will happen compared to the 32MB build. |
| 13:57:28 | Soap | if people skip tracks they are wasting the disk reads used to fill the large buffer, and _probably_ incurring a greater cost. |
| 13:58:37 | preglow | workout time |
| 13:59:35 | pixelma | B4gder: if this observation helps any... when I tried to track it down yesterday I started with a checkout from right before, then updated step by step and the error didn't occur until I started to reconfigure and make clean - so I had to went back and clean up for every revision I tried |
| 14:00 |
| 14:00:16 | Soap | but w/o putting an ammeter in-line I don't know how to calculate the cost/benefit |
| 14:00:53 | Febs | linuxstb, soap: couldn't you then reduce that argument to its extreme and say that for people who skip a lot, Rockbox should only load the currently playing song onto the buffer? |
| 14:01:50 | Soap | why not? If you are a user who is constantly dumping buffer contents you should probably use a small buffer. |
| 14:02:13 | Febs | It seems to me that the build chart should contain only one option for any given platform. |
| 14:02:21 | B4gder | well, there's a punishment to spin up the disk as well |
| 14:02:39 | linuxstb | Febs: I'm not strongly convinced by my own argument anyway.... I think for the sake of simplicity, we should rename the builds "ipod video 30GB" and "ipod video 60GB/80GB" (assuming we still assume the 30GBs all have 32MB) |
| 14:02:42 | B4gder | skip with a larger buffer will just skip data, not necessarily spin disk |
| 14:03:22 | linuxstb | Although maybe the manual could be used to describe the actual differences in the builds. |
| 14:03:28 | GodEater_ | Febs: did you see the map I posted last night ? |
| 14:03:32 | Soap | it won't necessaritly spin the disk, but by skipping data in the buffer haven't you effectively wasted the power used to fill that skipped area of the buffer? |
| 14:03:56 | Febs | GodEater: Yes! It looks like we'll be close by. |
| 14:04:16 | Febs | I also got the impression that you approve of my choice of hotel. |
| 14:04:21 | GodEater_ | Febs: yep - definitely walking distance, but only if you're not scared of getting lost |
| 14:04:31 | GodEater_ | Febs: yes - most Hilton's in London are nice :) |
| 14:04:49 | Shaid | *insert Paris Hilton jail joke here* |
| 14:04:52 | B4gder | Febs/GodEater/linuxstb: if you feed me with your preferred tshirt sizes and a postal address to one of you guys, I'll contribute something to your meeting |
| 14:05:06 | GodEater_ | B4gder: that's very kind of you :) |
| 14:05:14 | GodEater_ | XL for me :) |
| 14:05:18 | Febs | GodEater_: I travel constantly for work, so I have accumulated many, many Hilton points and I'm now taking advantage of them. |
| 14:05:30 | Febs | B4gder: L for me. Thanks! |
| 14:06:07 | GodEater_ | B4gder: do you already have linuxstb's address ? |
| 14:06:18 | linuxstb | B4gder: Probably a L for me as well... |
| 14:06:33 | B4gder | nope, no address here |
| 14:06:38 | * | GodEater_ feels fat now :) |
| 14:06:53 | GodEater_ | ok - I'll volunteer to bring them then |
| 14:06:54 | linuxstb | B4gder: I'll PM you my address (assuming I've been volunteered to act as postman) |
| 14:06:58 | pixelma | Zagor must have had linuxstb's address *remembers* waffle iron ;) |
| 14:07:00 | linuxstb | OK, then GodEater... |
| 14:07:10 | B4gder | pixelma: assuming he kept it... |
| 14:07:23 | linuxstb | GodEater: I work from home most of the time, so maybe it's easier for me? |
| 14:07:38 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: we have a porter - but if you prefer :) |
| 14:07:44 | * | GodEater_ isn't fussed |
| 14:07:54 | linuxstb | Then make use of your porter. |
| 14:08:19 | linuxstb | If you see him wearing a Rockbox shirt one evening, you know the plan has failed... |
| 14:08:26 | B4gder | hahaha |
| 14:08:28 | GodEater_ | lol |
| 14:08:48 | GodEater_ | or that he's secretly been to a devcon ? |
| 14:09:06 | B4gder | _that_ is a failure too |
| 14:09:55 | * | GodEater_ had been wondering how to do the "red carnation" routine for the meet, and now he doesn't have to |
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| 14:10:30 | Febs | You just need to make sure you're the first one there. |
| 14:10:50 | GodEater_ | that won't be tough |
| 14:10:58 | linuxstb | GodEater_: Do you have a pub in mind? |
| 14:11:04 | GodEater_ | not so far |
| 14:11:14 | GodEater_ | what's the drinking preference ? |
| 14:11:18 | GodEater_ | Pimms or Beer ? :) |
| 14:11:31 | * | linuxstb likes www.beerintheevening.com |
| 14:11:35 | Febs | By the way, my wife will be with me, and her only request is somewhere will decent food. |
| 14:11:40 | Febs | will/with |
| 14:11:54 | GodEater_ | how decent ? |
| 14:12:17 | Febs | Just decent enough that we can make a meal of it. |
| 14:12:24 | Febs | Doesn't have to be fancy. |
| 14:12:59 | GodEater_ | we should be able to accomodate that |
| 14:13:19 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: beerintheevening claims there are 1546 pubs near Farringdon tube station... |
| 14:13:25 | GodEater_ | that's a heck of a pub crawl |
| 14:13:27 | JdGordon | yay, back under svn size |
| 14:13:29 | * | Febs googles "Pimms" ... |
| 14:13:31 | Febs | :) |
| 14:13:47 | GodEater_ | Febs: v. traditional summer beverage in the UK |
| 14:14:57 | * | GodEater_ refines search with "pool table" and "serves food" |
| 14:15:02 | pondlife | And a sure way to get drunk slowly by accident |
| 14:15:13 | GodEater_ | pondlife: very true =) |
| 14:15:19 | GodEater_ | or perhaps %) is more accurate |
| 14:15:35 | Febs | I'd probably be drinking beer. Mrs. Febs doesn't drink, so not an issue for her. |
| 14:16:07 | * | GodEater_ takes issue with beerintheevening's idea of "close" |
| 14:16:24 | GodEater_ | Southwark, Islington, and St. Pancras are not "close" in my world |
| 14:16:37 | pondlife | Islington?? |
| 14:17:00 | pondlife | That's almost my side of London. |
| 14:17:19 | pondlife | Anyway, time for lunch |
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| 14:25:07 | JdGordon | anyone interested in testing a patch that fiddles with the setting code? |
| 14:25:27 | * | JdGordon getting sick of having to fix code after is cmmited :p |
| 14:30:41 | B4gder | Need to get 296MB of archives. |
| 14:30:42 | B4gder | After unpacking 586MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 14:30:56 | B4gder | ... this is just to get the rockbox manual to build ;-) |
| 14:34:22 | GodEater_ | good lord |
| 14:34:32 | GodEater_ | that's a lot of tools! |
| 14:34:44 | B4gder | indeed |
| 14:35:30 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: : http://www.pintsearch.com/ |
| 14:36:05 | JdGordon | http://mappyhour.nerl.net/ |
| 14:37:10 | * | GodEater_ is sad to see London isn't in the top 15 happiest cities :( |
| 14:39:22 | JdGordon | get to work then.... |
| 14:39:29 | JdGordon | the site is horribly slow though |
| 14:40:54 | * | GodEater_ prefers pintsearch on reflection - there are more london pubs on it |
| 14:41:01 | GodEater_ | not surprising really though |
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| 14:49:15 | JdGordon | :'( data abort on the player, wrks fine in the sim |
| 14:52:52 | petur | rearranging structs? |
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| 14:54:47 | JdGordon | no |
| 14:55:21 | JdGordon | last time this happened it wasbecause I as trying to access a bool like an int, but checked that and its correct |
| 14:57:23 | chrisjs169__ | is FS6860 (some kind of battery status handling for the Sansa) still worth using? |
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| 15:00:42 | JdGordon | bah, misuse of bitmasks... |
| 15:04:17 | linuxstb | :) I think this person needs to be offered a refund - http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/flac-dev/2007-June/002218.html |
| 15:05:21 | dionoea | :) |
| 15:05:57 | JdGordon | haha |
| 15:06:01 | GodEater_ | www.anyoneforpimms.com <−− for the international / curious crowd :) |
| 15:06:31 | GodEater_ | my word - he's a bit upset and no mistake |
| 15:07:46 | B4gder | friendly chap, we should invite him to rockbox |
| 15:07:49 | JdGordon | I thought my mum was the only person who drank pimms! |
| 15:08:05 | JdGordon | doesnt he do by the name dongs? |
| 15:08:11 | B4gder | haha |
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| 15:17:34 | JdGordon | grrrrrrr! still data aborting :'( no idea why there is a problem now |
| 15:18:21 | JdGordon | also, no idea why it crashes on the play selected first setting, but its fine on the party mode setting, both are setup exactly the same way in setting_list.c |
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| 15:19:57 | chrisjs169__ | Is FS6860 worth using? |
| 15:21:54 | JdGordon | wasnt most of it commited? |
| 15:22:30 | JdGordon | ah no, diffrent patch |
| 15:22:57 | JdGordon | ah no.. it was commited |
| 15:25:50 | markun | linuxstb: wasn't the FLAC code the one which emulated OO in C? |
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| 15:30:21 | JdGordon | nothing wrong with a ncie healthy dose of faked OO... |
| 15:30:46 | B4gder | it's not faked |
| 15:30:49 | amiconn | JdGordon: You cannot access a bool as an int. On arm this will crash in 75% of all cases, as a bool is a single byte there |
| 15:30:58 | amiconn | However, you shouldn't rely on this mapping |
| 15:30:59 | B4gder | you can do OO in C you know |
| 15:31:18 | JdGordon | amiconn: yeah, I gues thats whats happening, just trying to find where |
| 15:32:51 | markun | B4gder: well, from the fact that flac went from one of the slowest to one of the fastest codec by switching to the ffmpeg code I figured it hadn't been done in a nice way |
| 15:33:04 | markun | but maybe the OO part was not to blame, I don't know |
| 15:33:13 | B4gder | I remember the code and I still wake up screaming at times... :-) |
| 15:41:38 | linuxstb | markun: Yes, that's the one... |
| 15:47:56 | pondlife | hehe...can we also have a wonderful change of our shit? |
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| 15:54:53 | chrisjs169__ | JdGordon: (ah no.. it was commited) - so that patch isn't needed? |
| 15:55:10 | JdGordon | yep |
| 15:55:36 | pondlife | So couldn't it be closed? |
| 15:57:01 | pondlife | Actually it looks like it wasn't committed |
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| 15:57:24 | pondlife | Looking at powermgmt.c it still has the pre-patch values |
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| 15:58:12 | pondlife | battery_cal01.patch is missing, at least. |
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| 16:01:22 | webguest24 | .. |
| 16:01:49 | TrueJournals | ..? |
| 16:01:57 | webguest24 | the rockbox ports.. r they for both Wintel and Apple versions? |
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| 16:02:30 | TrueJournals | If you have a mac-formatted iPod, you will have to convert it to Windows-formatted first, but yes |
| 16:02:40 | webguest24 | ty |
| 16:02:49 | TrueJournals | no problem |
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| 16:16:11 | linuxstb | merbzt: I've now posted a comment to that blog entry. |
| 16:21:05 | preglow | always the talk about beer |
| 16:21:43 | petur | got triggered? ;) |
| 16:21:54 | preglow | got back from a workout, then see talk about beer |
| 16:21:56 | preglow | i hate you!!1 |
| 16:22:18 | petur | it wasn't me |
| 16:22:41 | pondlife | Sorry preglow |
| 16:22:50 | preglow | when's your london meet on? |
| 16:22:52 | petur | well not all me |
| 16:22:58 | pondlife | Hey, you did your workout - you earned your beer ;) |
| 16:23:26 | pondlife | London meet is July 11th I think |
| 16:23:44 | preglow | beh, i might be in england, but that'll be later in july |
| 16:23:55 | pondlife | I'll be in England, but probably not in London. |
| 16:23:56 | preglow | not too far from london either |
| 16:24:08 | pondlife | preglow: Not west of London? |
| 16:24:20 | preglow | i'll be in the vicinity of gillingham/chatham |
| 16:24:32 | preglow | an hours train from london, so i'd come if i were in england at all, heh |
| 16:25:00 | pondlife | Suppose I'm only 30 mins train from London, but another 30 mins across London to the meet.... will consider it. |
| 16:25:11 | pondlife | But I'd only get drunk and rant about APIs.... |
| 16:25:27 | preglow | i wish i could see anything bad in that |
| 16:25:42 | pondlife | Work on Thursday? |
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| 16:26:07 | preglow | me? what? |
| 16:26:24 | preglow | oh, right |
| 16:26:27 | preglow | it's on a wednesday :> |
| 16:26:58 | pondlife | All my weekends are booked until August anyway |
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| 16:40:42 | B4gder | but hey, I'll throw in a shirt for you too if you go there ;-) |
| 16:42:36 | GodEater_ | are the shirts able to cure hangovers ? |
| 16:42:37 | GodEater_ | :) |
| 16:42:43 | B4gder | oh yes |
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| 16:42:51 | GodEater_ | no problem then :) |
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| 16:48:26 | linuxstb | I thought that was what the mugs were for (when filled with black stuff). |
| 16:49:03 | preglow | stout? |
| 16:49:09 | GodEater_ | Guinness you mean ? :) |
| 16:49:13 | linuxstb | Indeed :) |
| 16:49:14 | GodEater_ | damn, preglow beat me |
| 16:49:15 | preglow | surely you don't mean that coffee cures hangovers |
| 16:49:15 | preglow | haha |
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| 16:50:19 | linuxstb | GodEater_: Did I mention that I would be upset if you chose one of the few pubs in London that didn't sell Guinness? |
| 16:50:30 | GodEater_ | you didn't, but I shall bear it in mind |
| 16:50:34 | GodEater_ | normal or extra cold ? :) |
| 16:50:54 | GodEater_ | I guess you *won't* be drinking Pimms then |
| 16:51:03 | linuxstb | I always ask for "normal", just because the pub I go to never has any... |
| 16:51:12 | linuxstb | (but the tap is there, claiming it) |
| 16:51:33 | preglow | haha |
| 16:51:43 | GodEater_ | ooookay |
| 16:51:47 | preglow | the extra cold guinness tastes tap water |
| 16:51:49 | preglow | so don't go for that one |
| 16:52:07 | preglow | i tend to be sceptical to any beer that is "extra cold" |
| 16:52:22 | GodEater_ | I liked that "Arc" lager you could get in London a few years ago |
| 16:52:29 | GodEater_ | most places don't do it anymore :( |
| 16:52:49 | preglow | but then again, i'm not your run-of-the-mill person either |
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| 16:53:10 | GodEater_ | it was the only lager I've ever seen that needed *infrastructure* to pour |
| 16:53:16 | preglow | hahahah |
| 16:53:57 | GodEater_ | the barrels were kept at below freezing temp, and the lines to the pump at the bar were pressurised to stop the beer freezing on route |
| 16:54:08 | GodEater_ | and then the pump itself had a little turntable you put the glass on |
| 16:54:21 | GodEater_ | which span it whilst freezing cold water was sprayed on the glass to cool it right down |
| 16:54:32 | linuxstb | Sounds economical... |
| 16:54:51 | preglow | guess why it's not around anymore |
| 16:54:52 | preglow | haha |
| 16:54:54 | GodEater_ | and as the beer left the nozzle, there were tiny ultra-sonic emitters which made ultra-fine ice crystals appear in the beer it poured |
| 16:55:07 | linuxstb | And how much was a pint? |
| 16:55:08 | GodEater_ | so the top inch or so of the glass you got was like beer slush puppy |
| 16:55:17 | GodEater_ | about £4.50 ;) |
| 16:55:30 | GodEater_ | *so* worth it though |
| 16:55:37 | GodEater_ | just to watch the whole process was fun |
| 16:55:42 | linuxstb | And the secret was that the barrels were filled with Fosters... |
| 16:55:47 | preglow | hahahaha |
| 16:55:55 | GodEater_ | while I cannot disprove that theory |
| 16:56:07 | GodEater_ | it was *claimed* the beer had to be super strong for it to taste of anything at that temp. |
| 16:56:16 | GodEater_ | certainly got me drunk v. quickly |
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| 16:56:29 | preglow | haha |
| 16:56:40 | preglow | so you get the lovely taste of alcohol with your slush |
| 16:56:44 | GodEater_ | which I guess made it worth the price :) |
| 16:56:51 | GodEater_ | you only had to have two to get legless |
| 16:57:03 | GodEater_ | I seem to spend a lot more than £9 in an evening these days :( |
| 16:57:27 | preglow | that's bloody nothing compared to what i have to spend :///\\\\/// |
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| 16:57:54 | GodEater_ | you in sweden too ? |
| 16:57:58 | preglow | norway |
| 16:58:05 | preglow | so almost |
| 16:58:06 | GodEater_ | ah - never been |
| 16:58:15 | GodEater_ | is beer the same ludicrous price as your neighbours ? |
| 16:58:15 | preglow | it's hell if you like beer |
| 16:58:22 | preglow | it's worse by a very fair margin |
| 16:58:26 | GodEater_ | wow |
| 16:58:30 | GodEater_ | that's fairly impressive |
| 16:58:33 | GodEater_ | I thought Sweden was expensive |
| 16:58:34 | preglow | lets see |
| 16:58:53 | preglow | your standard price for half a litre (if you're lucky) of stock bland lager is about 50-60 nok |
| 16:59:08 | preglow | around 5 pounds |
| 16:59:10 | * | GodEater_ is unaware of gbp->nok exchange rate |
| 16:59:17 | GodEater_ | ah thanks |
| 16:59:22 | amiconn | preglow: whoa |
| 16:59:27 | preglow | amiconn: whoa indeed |
| 16:59:54 | GodEater_ | me wonders where his employer keeps their internal exchange rates... |
| 16:59:56 | preglow | if you want anything more fancy or something with more alcohol in it: it'll be more expensive, again by a fair margin |
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| 17:01:12 | GodEater_ | considered moving ? :) |
| 17:01:54 | preglow | haha |
| 17:02:08 | preglow | the day i am because of beer prices, i'll consider checking into some clinic |
| 17:02:08 | * | petur recommends .be :p |
| 17:02:27 | preglow | heh |
| 17:03:01 | preglow | well, they say belgium and the us are the best beer countries |
| 17:03:12 | GodEater_ | whoever says the us is no beer drinker |
| 17:03:12 | preglow | gb not being too far behind |
| 17:03:21 | preglow | i say so, and hell yes, i am |
| 17:03:30 | preglow | us has _tons_ of nice beer |
| 17:03:38 | preglow | and there's absolutely lots and lots of it |
| 17:03:41 | GodEater_ | shame they choose to flood the world with Budweiser then |
| 17:03:46 | preglow | and no, i'm not talking about budweiser and millers :) |
| 17:03:56 | GodEater_ | thank god |
| 17:04:00 | GodEater_ | or Coors I hope |
| 17:04:01 | The-Compiler | a mate of me has a problem: Nothing happens if he presses i in the sansapatcher |
| 17:04:14 | preglow | none of the light untastable lager stuff, no |
| 17:04:28 | GodEater_ | actually, I had a nice-ish US beer the other day, "Brooklyn Lager" or some such |
| 17:04:31 | GodEater_ | was pretty nice |
| 17:04:36 | GodEater_ | never had it before though |
| 17:04:56 | preglow | GodEater_: that is pretty nice, yes, you should taste brooklyn black chocolate stout if you like dark beers :> |
| 17:05:12 | GodEater_ | if I could find somewhere that sold it - perhaps I would :) |
| 17:05:20 | preglow | but yeah, brooklyn breweries is one of the guys making good beer in the us |
| 17:05:20 | * | pondlife gets deja vu. |
| 17:05:39 | pondlife | Didn't we already use up our OT beer conversation for today?? ;p |
| 17:05:49 | * | preglow looks at the ot gauge |
| 17:05:53 | preglow | turns out we did |
| 17:05:59 | pondlife | She's gonna blow!! |
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| 17:06:13 | * | preglow goes for dinner |
| 17:06:20 | * | pondlife apologises and goes back to work. |
| 17:06:46 | * | GodEater_ continues fighting with websphere |
| 17:10:16 | GodEater_ | websphere loses |
| 17:11:05 | markun | linuxstb: I don't see your comment in his blog. |
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| 17:14:15 | * | GodEater_ wonders which blog is being talked about |
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| 17:17:56 | linuxstb | markun: Maybe it's moderated |
| 17:18:49 | markun | GodEater_: http://codecs.multimedia.cx/?p=52 |
| 17:18:49 | linuxstb | GodEater: http://codecs.multimedia.cx/?p=52 |
| 17:18:53 | markun | :) |
| 17:18:55 | * | linuxstb too slow |
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| 17:22:42 | markun | me too now |
| 17:24:07 | pondlife | Mmm, right justified... |
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| 17:52:51 | preglow | anyone know if svn commit can append the commit info to a file, ala ChangeLog? |
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| 18:02:25 | pondlife | Hmm, Flyspray isn't mailing me when a watched item has a comment added. |
| 18:03:00 | n1s | pondlife: checked your spam filter? |
| 18:04:46 | tedrock | with the rockbox utility i can choose archived build or current build |
| 18:04:53 | tedrock | is archive the same as daily? |
| 18:04:59 | n1s | tedrock: yes |
| 18:05:07 | tedrock | k. then i shall keep installing that everyday |
| 18:05:12 | pondlife | n1s: Yes |
| 18:05:38 | n1s | pondlife: hmm, it works for me... has it just recently stopped working for you? |
| 18:06:05 | pondlife | I just noticed one today ... |
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| 18:07:01 | markun | tedrock: usually current is just as stable as the archived build |
| 18:07:40 | tedrock | markun: how often is current updated? |
| 18:08:16 | markun | tedrock: every time someone makes a change to the source code |
| 18:09:50 | tedrock | then what is the difference! |
| 18:10:34 | GodEater_ | current can be as many as ten revisions behind |
| 18:10:35 | markun | the archived build is only built 1 time per day |
| 18:10:43 | GodEater_ | we get a lot of commits a day |
| 18:10:53 | markun | GodEater_: no, current is always up to date |
| 18:11:04 | GodEater_ | I meant archived ;) |
| 18:11:07 | GodEater_ | silly me |
| 18:11:12 | * | GodEater_ goes back to his corner |
| 18:11:42 | tedrock | so which should i be installing, current or archive |
| 18:11:50 | markun | try current |
| 18:12:08 | GodEater_ | yeah current |
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| 18:12:08 | * | tedrock screams |
| 18:12:13 | markun | and if it crashes your player you can always try archive :) |
| 18:12:21 | tedrock | good plan |
| 18:12:22 | GodEater_ | or wait till the *next* current |
| 18:12:29 | markun | :) |
| 18:13:12 | tedrock | i tried to play a mpeg on my player yesterday. real tears came to my eyes... they were not tears of joy |
| 18:14:36 | * | petur wonders why people insist on trying to look at video's on tiny screens |
| 18:14:50 | * | GodEater_ finds it an odd thing to do as well |
| 18:14:51 | tedrock | because i like to watch it at work |
| 18:14:59 | petur | ha! |
| 18:15:01 | tedrock | i USED to tihnk it was a dumb idea |
| 18:15:18 | tedrock | i was like "i'll never get one" |
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| 18:16:07 | GodEater_ | when I watch at work, I use my monitor. |
| 18:16:30 | tedrock | i cannot |
| 18:17:10 | tedrock | i use an emac at work as well they blocked youtube, google video and you cannot mount external devices like ipods |
| 18:17:41 | * | GodEater_ is pretty much a domain admin at work and can do what the hell he likes :) |
| 18:17:48 | petur | tedrock: sounds like they should ban devices that can play video too |
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| 18:17:56 | tedrock | they kinda have :P |
| 18:18:09 | petur | work is for working, you know... |
| 18:18:26 | tedrock | i work for AppleCare |
| 18:18:29 | krazykit | silly petur. who does work at work? |
| 18:18:38 | tedrock | sometimes there is 5-10 minute wait between calls. i get bored |
| 18:19:04 | petur | tssss |
| 18:19:17 | petur | do something constructive with spare time |
| 18:19:23 | * | GodEater_ does work at work. He's good at multi-tasking. |
| 18:19:32 | tedrock | well i tried masturbation but apperently that's frowned on |
| 18:19:48 | tedrock | so i don't play THOSE vidoes at work anymore |
| 18:19:57 | petur | rofl |
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| 18:20:48 | tedrock | i just watch video podcasts on it anyway. i don't download TV shows or movies for it |
| 18:21:00 | tedrock | do you know what it's like to watch a movie in 5 minute intervals?! |
| 18:21:10 | krazykit | choppy and confusing? |
| 18:21:24 | tedrock | very confusing. i gave up after a bit |
| 18:21:29 | * | GodEater_ still recommends the OF for movie watching on the ipod video |
| 18:21:37 | tedrock | OF? |
| 18:21:57 | krazykit | original firmware |
| 18:22:00 | tedrock | yah id o that |
| 18:22:04 | tedrock | that's how i watch my podcasts |
| 18:23:02 | tedrock | i'm really enjoying the database and how you can make your own filters for it so rockbox is mostly taken over for my music part of my ipod |
| 18:23:35 | tedrock | one thing. does the database update on the fly. so if i have a list called "unplayed" as soon as i play a song from it and it finishes does it get removed? |
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| 18:26:20 | tedrock | you guys are gonna make me test to find out aren't you |
| 18:26:42 | krazykit | isn't that the most fun way to find out? |
| 18:27:19 | tedrock | i donno, do you remember being a child and finding out for the first time the stove is hot? |
| 18:27:31 | krazykit | yep |
| 18:27:41 | krazykit | i learned quickly not to do that again. |
| 18:28:05 | tedrock | or that superglue is NOT a good lubricant |
| 18:28:17 | krazykit | i never had a misconception like that. |
| 18:28:26 | tedrock | you're lucky |
| 18:28:41 | krazykit | or just reasonably intelligent? |
| 18:29:09 | markun | tedrock: you can have it update on the fly, but you need to enable that and also need to have 'dircache' on for it to work |
| 18:29:36 | tedrock | ok i'l do that now |
| 18:30:36 | tedrock | is that under database? |
| 18:30:45 | markun | it should be |
| 18:30:52 | markun | if you can't find it check the manual |
| 18:31:16 | n1s | tedrock: general settings -> system -> disk |
| 18:31:20 | tedrock | ah |
| 18:31:33 | tedrock | n1s: are you the interactive manual? |
| 18:31:54 | tedrock | i wish you'd guys put a searchable manaul on the device. would be useful |
| 18:31:54 | n1s | tedrock: when I'm in the mood :-) I did write a good portion of it |
| 18:32:58 | tedrock | i already had it on :) |
| 18:33:05 | tedrock | brb |
| 18:33:15 | tedrock | not that you really care |
| 18:33:24 | markun | :) |
| 18:33:39 | netmasta10bt | how would i know which version of the BL i have on my e200 |
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| 18:45:11 | tedrock | hrmm. is it a known issue that rockbox dies if you connect your ipod to USB while it's off or sleeping? |
| 18:45:41 | tedrock | for volume it will show a -22 which i notice at startup but normally changes to the triangle |
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| 18:46:17 | Galois | old versions of rockbox had no problem with that, but sometime in the last month I noticed too that it dies if you plug it in while it's off |
| 18:46:37 | Tunster | hi everyone |
| 18:46:39 | Galois | however I am not sure if a bug report has been filed or even if it's considered a bug |
| 18:46:53 | tedrock | yah. i just have to reset, unplug and then plug it in while it's on and active |
| 18:47:14 | tedrock | windows will say the device is unrecognized or something too |
| 18:47:25 | Tunster | as much as there's not much more info since April about the Nano 2nd Gen port, have there been anymore developments? |
| 18:47:41 | Galois | I mean, IMO the previous behavior where it resets your config settings if you plug it in with the hold switch on is definitely a bug |
| 18:48:05 | tedrock | woah. never experinced that |
| 18:48:24 | Galois | they claimed that was intentional, because it's a failsafe way to reset your config settings |
| 18:48:41 | Galois | but it used to make me accidentally erase the settings all the time, just by plugging it in with the hold switch on |
| 18:48:48 | The-Compiler | How can I start the original-firmware on a sansa? |
| 18:48:54 | tedrock | i had a really bad install before this one. it would freeze everytime i paused a song. but i used the utility now and it's never had an issue... unless i'm usin ghte XBOX theme |
| 18:48:56 | Galois | however, it doesn't do that anymore, it just crashes, so in that sense I consider it an improvement |
| 18:49:14 | tedrock | Galois: yah i would consider it an improvement |
| 18:49:42 | Galois | you can still reset your settings on purpose just by turning it on with the hold switch off, and then changing the switch quickly to on before it boots up |
| 18:50:10 | Galois | I'm happy with that, since it's impossible to do what I just described by accident, whereas it is very possible to plug it in with the hold switch on by accident |
| 18:50:51 | tedrock | i flip the whole switch when starting it up but htat's to got to OF so i guess i do it early enough it's not an issue |
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| 19:05:02 | Hayward | can some1 help me |
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| 19:06:20 | krazykit | Hayward, only if you ask the question first |
| 19:06:25 | Hayward | :P |
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| 19:06:39 | guyzmo | hi |
| 19:06:46 | Hayward | well i have tried putting a video on my ipod and each time i play is i cant see all of the video |
| 19:06:58 | Hayward | i have used both 4:3 ratio and 16:3 ration but nothing |
| 19:07:00 | Hayward | any ideas |
| 19:07:03 | guyzmo | I got a "can't find rockbox.ipod" error on boot |
| 19:07:16 | guyzmo | and my guess is that I have 2 partitions on my ipod |
| 19:07:29 | guyzmo | (I installed ipodlinux before installing rockbox) |
| 19:07:46 | * | dionoea wonders why the mem function wrappers need to be defined with a macro and not just defined in plugin.h (and inlined) |
| 19:07:52 | guyzmo | am I wrong ? any hints why if I'm wrong ? |
| 19:08:33 | dionoea | is the fat partition the 1st or 2nd one ? |
| 19:08:52 | Hayward | any idea on my prob :) |
| 19:09:28 | guyzmo | Part 0 : Empty 125 MB / Part 1 Fat 32 75GB / Part 2 Linux 500 MB |
| 19:10:22 | tedrock | so i was reading in the wiki that 3.0 will be able to read the track_rating and rating tags/comments. does that mean it will be able to read itunes ratings then? |
| 19:11:12 | krazykit | itunes ratings are part of the itunes database, as i understand it... which rockbox does not read. |
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| 19:11:42 | tedrock | oh. i thought it was added to the tag. crap |
| 19:12:30 | krazykit | it might be, but since it's an ipod, i assumed they would just do it some silly nonstandard way |
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| 19:14:42 | Hayward | i guess no1 can help me |
| 19:15:23 | Siltaar | Hayward, about what ? |
| 19:15:41 | Hayward | cant view all of the video i have placed on my ipod |
| 19:15:57 | tedrock | because they probably aren't mpeg |
| 19:16:03 | Hayward | mpeg-1 |
| 19:16:09 | Siltaar | just someone or no-one entirely ? |
| 19:16:16 | Hayward | what |
| 19:16:22 | Siltaar | the video |
| 19:16:31 | Hayward | can see top half but not all of it |
| 19:16:33 | krazykit | Hayward, did you convert them like it says on the wiki? |
| 19:16:37 | Hayward | yes |
| 19:16:46 | Hayward | used mediacoder |
| 19:17:42 | dionoea | guyzmo: are you sure that you have a rockbox.ipod file on that fat partition ? |
| 19:18:46 | krazykit | Hayward, and you've checked the video on your computer to make sure it's 320x240? |
| 19:19:03 | krazykit | or 320x176 for 16:9 |
| 19:19:04 | Hayward | i dont think so.. i downloaded it from google videos |
| 19:19:14 | krazykit | no, the one you converted |
| 19:19:41 | Hayward | dono |
| 19:19:55 | krazykit | ...can you check? |
| 19:20:06 | Hayward | how :S |
| 19:20:38 | dionoea | open it with a media player on your PC |
| 19:20:49 | Hayward | yeah |
| 19:20:57 | dionoea | doesn't that sound kind of obvious? |
| 19:21:07 | Hayward | i have opened it with VLC |
| 19:21:10 | krazykit | any decent media player should have info on the dimensions |
| 19:21:25 | dionoea | Hayward: look in the stream and info dialog in VLC |
| 19:21:29 | dionoea | it'll give you the dimensions |
| 19:21:48 | tedrock | file explorer actually will tell you the dimensions under details view |
| 19:22:01 | tedrock | just everyday windows exploer |
| 19:22:18 | n1s | dionoea: they have to be a macro to allow people to call the api pointer in the plugin whatever they want (which we allow) it could be simpilfied if we required that everyone stuck to rb... |
| 19:22:40 | dionoea | ah ... ok. |
| 19:22:41 | * | amiconn wonders why dionoea is wondering what linuxstb was already wondering y'day ;) |
| 19:22:50 | * | dionoea doesn't read all the logs :) |
| 19:22:53 | Hayward | video size is 320 x 240 |
| 19:23:25 | dionoea | n1s: can you just force people to use the api pointer ? (instead of adding some kind of weird work arround) |
| 19:23:52 | Hayward | so now what |
| 19:23:53 | krazykit | that's good. that means it's of the proper dimensions, Hayward. and that's the file that's on your ipod? you're using an ipod video, right? |
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| 19:24:02 | Hayward | no nano |
| 19:24:11 | dionoea | 320x240 is for video ipods |
| 19:24:14 | krazykit | oh, there's your problem |
| 19:24:15 | dionoea | nano screens are smaller |
| 19:24:19 | n1s | dionoea: yes, we can force people, but gcc has a mind of it's own... |
| 19:24:21 | krazykit | ipod nano is 176x132 |
| 19:24:29 | Hayward | so what can i do? |
| 19:24:48 | krazykit | re-encode them smaller? |
| 19:24:48 | n1s | dionoea: that's why this was required, gcc expects to be able to call these functions everywhere |
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| 19:25:03 | dionoea | oh.... ok |
| 19:25:05 | Hayward | how can u recode them smaller? |
| 19:25:18 | dionoea | bbl |
| 19:25:20 | krazykit | Hayward, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 19:25:34 | Hayward | i have mediacoder.. i aint getting anything else |
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| 19:26:35 | krazykit | Hayward, if you've bothered to read the page, you'd have seen what the ipod nano's screen resolution is. from that, you should be able to tell mediacoder what to do. there also should be an "ipod nano" option in the rockbox plugin. |
| 19:28:33 | guyzmo | re |
| 19:28:37 | guyzmo | sorry had a call |
| 19:28:40 | guyzmo | dionoea - I do |
| 19:29:02 | guyzmo | dionoea - I checked it, and it is in /.rockbox/ as expected... |
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| 19:29:19 | guyzmo | -rwxrwxrwx 1 guyzmo guyzmo 521228 Jun 14 17:12 ZMOPOD/.rockbox/rockbox.ipod |
| 19:31:49 | Tunster | anyone heard anymore developments on the ipod nano 2nd gen? |
| 19:31:55 | preglow | no |
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| 19:41:18 | otih | j #debian |
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| 20:16:41 | * | n1s is getting a crash in a function that really shouldn't be called... |
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| 20:19:59 | n1s | GAAAAAAA! |
| 20:20:10 | * | n1s curses the simulator |
| 20:21:19 | n1s | it turns out everything works fine on target but gives an obscure segfault in settings.c :-/ |
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| 20:39:41 | pixelma | pondlife: one problem with your changes to the voice system - the new settings are in no officially posted voice file yet... |
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| 20:45:00 | amiconn | n1s: Btw, did you compare plugin performance with -Os versus -O (for plugins where it matters) |
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| 20:46:43 | preglow | i thought only the core went Os |
| 20:46:47 | n1s | amiconn: hmm, no, I didn't but plugins that it matters for usually have their own makefiles (with their own gcc options, right?) |
| 20:47:15 | n1s | preglow: no, the core shares with everything that doesn't use its own makefiles |
| 20:47:36 | preglow | roit |
| 20:47:48 | n1s | which is most of the plugins, and for example the nsf codec |
| 20:48:11 | amiconn | Most yes, but not all |
| 20:48:19 | amiconn | mandelbrot is an example that does not |
| 20:48:42 | n1s | amiconn, I'll look into it, any good way to benchmark any of those? |
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| 20:49:45 | amiconn | I'm using a quite primitive method to measure mandelbrot performance... maybe I should come up with a better one |
| 20:50:07 | amiconn | I have an idea for a small mandelbrot speedup on coldfire |
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| 20:58:16 | markun | preglow: there is my GSoC guy :) |
| 20:58:22 | * | markun points to TTSbox |
| 20:59:17 | * | n1s stares at TTSbox |
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| 21:00:15 | * | n1s also hopes JdGordon will read the logs and take a look at FS #7310 :-) hint, hint ;-) |
| 21:00:27 | * | Domonoky says greetings to the future hero of the blind rockboxers :-) |
| 21:01:48 | markun | I wonder if he can see our messages |
| 21:03:37 | preglow | our webirc solution is a bit sucky if he can't |
| 21:03:58 | TTSbox | Oh I saw this now |
| 21:04:03 | markun | he has trouble connecting with xchat |
| 21:04:05 | TTSbox | I am trying to set a client |
| 21:04:19 | TTSbox | rather than the web interface |
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| 21:04:38 | TTSbox | it keeps giving this error |
| 21:04:39 | TTSbox | * Looking up irc.freenode.net |
| 21:04:39 | TTSbox | * Connecting to irc.freenode.net (213.92.8.4) port 6667... |
| 21:04:39 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK TTSbox |
| 21:04:39 | TTSbox | * Connection failed. Error: An established connection was aborted by the software in your host machine |
| 21:04:49 | preglow | weird |
| 21:05:03 | preglow | don't think i've even seen that before |
| 21:05:20 | preglow | probably some firewall stuff or something |
| 21:05:28 | markun | that's what I thought |
| 21:06:07 | TTSbox | And that firewall wouldn't be a problem for web interface |
| 21:06:11 | TTSbox | ? |
| 21:06:32 | preglow | TTSbox: no, since you're connecting by port 80 instead of 6667 |
| 21:06:45 | TTSbox | Oh ok |
| 21:06:55 | preglow | few firewalls block web access by default |
| 21:06:57 | markun | TTSbox: do you know when GSoC ends? |
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| 21:07:08 | preglow | late august or something, no? |
| 21:07:14 | TTSbox | so I should go to settings of windows firewall |
| 21:07:22 | TTSbox | end of summer |
| 21:07:32 | TTSbox | july 15 is midterm |
| 21:07:45 | TTSbox | end of august is final evaluation |
| 21:07:46 | amiconn | The windows firewall never blocks outgoing connections |
| 21:07:55 | preglow | well shit, then i'm on vacation |
| 21:08:07 | preglow | i'll see if i can bring some net access with me |
| 21:08:14 | amiconn | That is, the one in xp doesn't. Don't know about vista... |
| 21:08:28 | TTSbox | mine is xp |
| 21:08:47 | obo | try port 8000 instead of 6667? |
| 21:08:54 | TTSbox | OK |
| 21:10:36 | markun | obo: does the irc server run on that port too? |
| 21:10:41 | obo | yes |
| 21:11:22 | TTSbox | I couldn't find where to change it :( |
| 21:12:15 | markun | TTSbox: which client did you try? xchat? |
| 21:12:19 | TTSbox | yes |
| 21:12:24 | preglow | just do /server irc.freenode.net:8000 or something |
| 21:12:37 | preglow | i think that's universal enough to work everywhere |
| 21:12:37 | TTSbox | OK |
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| 21:13:56 | TTSbox | * Looking up irc.freenode.net:8000 |
| 21:13:57 | TTSbox | * Unknown host. Maybe you misspelled it? |
| 21:14:51 | markun | TTSbox: try /server irc.freenode.net 8000 |
| 21:16:17 | petur | nettalk (www.ntalk.de) supports custom irc port |
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| 21:16:30 | preglow | and there we go |
| 21:16:32 | markun | ha, there he is! |
| 21:16:38 | markun | Ozgur: welcome :) |
| 21:16:45 | Ozgur | :) |
| 21:16:47 | Ozgur | Thanks |
| 21:17:05 | markun | you can probably edit the 'freenode' preset to use port 8000 so you don't have to connect by hand |
| 21:17:11 | preglow | so, you guys decided on an engine yet? flite or espeak? |
| 21:17:11 | Ozgur | good to see you |
| 21:17:21 | Ozgur | will try now |
| 21:17:29 | Ozgur | flite |
| 21:17:33 | markun | preglow: I think he will use flite and I will port espeak when I have time some day |
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| 21:17:52 | preglow | flite sounded better anyway, i think :> |
| 21:18:32 | Ozgur | yes certainly... Marcoen must have shown good patience to get used to eSpeak |
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| 21:20:20 | TTSbox | Hi Domonoky, yes I would like to see it work on Rockbox too. I myself enjoy listening audiobooks a lot |
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| 21:21:03 | TTSbox | and I am becoming a rockbox fan in the meantime :) |
| 21:21:15 | Domonoky | :-) |
| 21:21:48 | TTSbox | Now I will keep only the client and exit from this nick |
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| 21:23:14 | * | markun loves eSpeak |
| 21:23:45 | markun | flite can't even read in esperanto! ;) |
| 21:24:19 | n1s | anyone up for a really quick test using a 32 bit sim? |
| 21:24:25 | markun | Ozgur: you don't have a rockbox target yet, right? |
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| 21:25:02 | Ozgur | nope |
| 21:25:10 | Ozgur | I am planning to get one soon |
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| 21:25:20 | Ozgur | I will install an ebay sniper |
| 21:25:22 | Ozgur | :) |
| 21:25:26 | Ozgur | and buy one |
| 21:25:45 | Ozgur | f40 seems very good for price |
| 21:26:04 | Ozgur | especially rockbox giving the ability to show video to its good screen |
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| 21:26:07 | Domonoky | f40 is good, but very powerfull.. |
| 21:26:25 | Ozgur | some friends here can test it on other targets |
| 21:26:42 | Ozgur | i guess I can not limit the power right |
| 21:26:55 | Domonoky | i think not, i dont know.. |
| 21:26:59 | linuxstb_ | Are you planning on doing low-level (i.e. asm) optimisations? |
| 21:27:03 | Ozgur | maybe I can try loading extra jobs to the processor :) |
| 21:27:39 | Ozgur | I don't have expertise in low-level optimizations |
| 21:27:47 | Ozgur | you mean assembly? |
| 21:27:54 | markun | Ozgur: it would make me happy if you bought a F40 :) |
| 21:28:10 | markun | although the code will probably not be very optimized that way.. |
| 21:28:11 | linuxstb_ | Ozgur: Yes. |
| 21:28:22 | Ozgur | I think FLite must already have optimisations |
| 21:28:52 | preglow | it's probably very possible to squeeze more out of it, but that's not a first-priority at all anyway |
| 21:28:54 | Ozgur | Lite means that |
| 21:28:54 | linuxstb_ | Ozgur: The F40 is a nice target, but it will spoil you - it's about 3-4 times as fast as most of the other Rockbox targets. |
| 21:28:58 | Ozgur | for embedded |
| 21:29:18 | Ozgur | OK |
| 21:30:02 | Ozgur | if I could have it running before devcon, maybe I could join to test it on other targets |
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| 21:30:42 | linuxstb_ | Isn't devcon tomorrow? |
| 21:30:57 | n1s | could anyone try something on a 32 bit sim? I think I found another "fun" 64 bit only bug... |
| 21:30:57 | petur | hehe |
| 21:31:01 | Ozgur | let me check |
| 21:31:25 | Ozgur | wow |
| 21:31:27 | Ozgur | yes |
| 21:31:30 | Ozgur | time flies |
| 21:31:35 | linuxstb_ | You have a busy night ;) |
| 21:31:43 | Ozgur | :) |
| 21:32:11 | Ozgur | I was thinking 2 weeks or something |
| 21:32:23 | markun | Ozgur: there are always enough people in here to try out your patches |
| 21:32:36 | Ozgur | OK |
| 21:33:22 | n1s | anyway just try changing the settings in the clock plugin such as the "show date" setting, it segfaults here... |
| 21:33:33 | linuxstb_ | Is the intention to compile flite into the core? |
| 21:34:07 | Lear | n1s: H300 has a clock? (All I know is my H140 does not...) |
| 21:34:18 | amiconn | Lear: yes |
| 21:34:18 | petur | Lear: yes |
| 21:34:28 | petur | echo echo |
| 21:34:55 | markun | linuxstb_: what do you think? I'm not sure |
| 21:35:00 | Lear | I'll give it a try, once I've built the sim then... |
| 21:35:24 | n1s | Lear: thanks :-) |
| 21:36:28 | linuxstb_ | markun: I'm not sure either.... |
| 21:36:56 | linuxstb_ | Do we have any idea what the memory footprint will be (code, const data, working data) ? |
| 21:37:23 | markun | I think several MB for flite |
| 21:37:26 | markun | Ozgur: do you know? |
| 21:38:26 | n1s | markun, linuxstb, Ozgur: maybe it could be loaded in the same way as a voice file is?, I mean stean an appropriate chunk of buffer and it's not like you would have both voicefile and tts loaded at the smae time... |
| 21:38:27 | linuxstb_ | I guess we could have a dedicated "tts codec buffer" where the tts codec is loaded. If tts isn't enabled, that buffer will just be consumed by the audio buffer. |
| 21:38:53 | Ozgur | it was 6 MB |
| 21:39:09 | linuxstb_ | Ouch... |
| 21:39:31 | Ozgur | total program size |
| 21:39:39 | Ozgur | with voice files |
| 21:39:47 | Ozgur | for one language |
| 21:40:31 | Ozgur | I have seen those games RockBoy |
| 21:40:38 | Ozgur | Are they lighter? |
| 21:40:44 | Ozgur | just curious |
| 21:41:13 | Ozgur | Anyhow, I guess most of FLite is voice files |
| 21:41:30 | Ozgur | wrt memory |
| 21:42:25 | markun | linuxstb_: vs a few 100 kb for espeak I think :) |
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| 21:43:34 | Ozgur | though I don't understand, it should be 1000 recordings of lenght 1 sec |
| 21:43:38 | linuxstb_ | Ozgur: Rockboy is large, yes - it takes over the entire DAP (stopping music playback) |
| 21:44:01 | Ozgur | with compression it shouldn't take this large |
| 21:44:07 | Lear | n1s: No problem here (in Cygwin). |
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| 21:44:38 | markun | Ozgur: perhaps you can work on rockboy after you're done with the TTS stuff :) |
| 21:44:41 | n1s | Lear, thanks :-) Then I can commit my patch, and not worry about it :) |
| 21:44:41 | petur | nls: and no problem here (linux) |
| 21:44:55 | n1s | petur: 32 bit? |
| 21:44:57 | Ozgur | Oh i am not into games |
| 21:45:01 | petur | yes |
| 21:45:11 | Ozgur | I'd rather continue improving something about TTS |
| 21:45:24 | Ozgur | there will always be improvements |
| 21:45:36 | Ozgur | games look good though |
| 21:45:38 | n1s | petur: thanks |
| 21:45:41 | Ozgur | to impress people |
| 21:45:47 | Ozgur | about the power of rockbox |
| 21:45:59 | markun | Ozgur: btw, if you have some questions for our blind users: a lot of them are on the rockbox user mailinglist |
| 21:46:15 | Ozgur | that's goog |
| 21:46:17 | Ozgur | good |
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| 21:46:35 | Ozgur | I just became a member to the mailing list too |
| 21:46:48 | Ozgur | while reading documentation yesterday found about them |
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| 21:48:52 | Ozgur | you didn't give me editing right yet for wikis |
| 21:50:10 | Ozgur | What name is better for my project; TTSbox? |
| 21:50:21 | Ozgur | iSpeak? :) |
| 21:50:33 | Ozgur | or iRead? |
| 21:50:56 | Ozgur | FLiteBox |
| 21:51:40 | markun | Ozgur: you have wiki rights now |
| 21:51:48 | markun | and nothing with i* please :) |
| 21:51:56 | * | n1s doesn't like the i* names either |
| 21:52:53 | * | petur wonders if it will sound like a bag of shit ;) |
| 21:53:06 | Llorean | How 'bout just SpeechforRockbox |
| 21:53:16 | markun | petur: it has to if it goes through rockbox :) |
| 21:53:23 | petur | indeed |
| 21:54:20 | * | linuxstb_ points Ozgur to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GoldenQuotes so he understands the joke |
| 21:54:26 | n1s | Llorean: too easy to understand ;-) |
| 21:54:26 | Ozgur | what do you mean? Is there some problems with rockbox sound |
| 21:54:35 | petur | hahaha |
| 21:54:35 | Ozgur | OK |
| 21:54:51 | Llorean | n1s: I'm getting tired of RockNoun and NounBox ;) |
| 21:55:20 | petur | some of our users are blind, and some are deaf ;) |
| 21:55:32 | n1s | :-D |
| 21:57:32 | Ozgur | I haven't heard the sound of rockbox |
| 21:57:44 | Ozgur | I compiled only the UIsimulator |
| 21:58:03 | n1s | Ozgur: it can play music :-) |
| 21:58:22 | Ozgur | how should I run mp3 files on simulator |
| 21:58:33 | markun | Ozgur: I don't think there is anything wrong with the sound of rockbox |
| 21:58:33 | Ozgur | is there a special directory to put the files |
| 21:58:36 | tedrock | vary carefully |
| 21:58:56 | Ozgur | OK |
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| 21:59:04 | n1s | in the dir where your simulator is built and installed there should be a dir called archos put them in that |
| 21:59:08 | Ozgur | I am no audiophile myself |
| 21:59:15 | Ozgur | I won't realise anything :) |
| 21:59:35 | linuxstb_ | I think most people think Rockbox sounds equal to or better than the original firmwares it replaces. |
| 21:59:51 | tedrock | i just went through the fun experince of changing to a theme that used a black background with black text |
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| 22:00:06 | markun | but we don't have some special DSP stuff like SRS-WOW which some people seem to like |
| 22:00:30 | tedrock | and by fun i mean utter pain in the ass |
| 22:02:08 | markun | tedrock: well, if you know how, it's pretty easy to reset the settings again |
| 22:02:26 | tedrock | yah but doesn't that reset them all? |
| 22:02:33 | markun | yes |
| 22:02:39 | tedrock | then i like my method better |
| 22:02:48 | markun | if you have your settings perfect it's a good idea to save them |
| 22:02:51 | markun | just in case |
| 22:02:58 | tedrock | thats not a bad idea there |
| 22:03:07 | tedrock | better then smashing it on a rock... i tried taht first. |
| 22:03:43 | markun | the old smashing-on-rock-reset trick.. |
| 22:04:36 | tedrock | yah. should make a wiki article on it |
| 22:04:42 | tedrock | what size and shap of rock and such |
| 22:04:45 | tedrock | shape |
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| 22:05:39 | tedrock | when is someone gonna make a plugin to let me play WoW on this thing :P |
| 22:06:26 | * | petur finds another deaf user |
| 22:06:58 | tedrock | umm |
| 22:08:30 | Ozgur | I copied the file to arhos |
| 22:08:33 | Ozgur | archos |
| 22:08:39 | Ozgur | and IUsim finds it |
| 22:08:45 | * | n1s hopes jdgordon reads further in the logs and takes a look at FS #7311 instead of 7310 which is now closed... |
| 22:08:51 | markun | yes, that's the name of the root dir for historical reasons |
| 22:09:05 | Ozgur | but says "No codec for: <songname>" |
| 22:09:44 | petur | you did do make install, right? |
| 22:09:53 | scorche | g'byeeveryone...see you again at the devcon =) |
| 22:10:07 | petur | no, we see you... |
| 22:10:35 | n1s | Ozgur: did you do a 'make install' ? |
| 22:10:37 | Ozgur | I did make |
| 22:10:46 | Ozgur | but don't remember install |
| 22:10:57 | Ozgur | I guess I did make UIsimulator |
| 22:11:04 | petur | just do "make install" |
| 22:11:05 | Ozgur | or somethinglike that |
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| 22:13:30 | Ozgur | Yeah :) |
| 22:13:40 | Ozgur | I heard rockbox for the first time |
| 22:13:42 | Ozgur | :) |
| 22:13:49 | Ozgur | sounds good for me |
| 22:13:51 | Ozgur | :) |
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| 22:14:35 | n1s | Ozgur: you will have to do 'make install' everytime you build a simulator with changes to either codecs or plugins |
| 22:14:44 | Ozgur | OK |
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| 22:45:01 | Bagder | Neuros seems anxious to get us involved in the n3 discussions |
| 22:45:54 | Bagder | http://groups.google.com/group/Neuros-DM320Hardware/browse_thread/thread/b64fa011bc2c22b5 |
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| 22:48:24 | preglow | might be interesting |
| 22:48:31 | Bagder | indeed |
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| 23:39:18 | Ozgur | I have read how to develop a plugin. Copied the helloWorld c program to a file |
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| 23:39:40 | Ozgur | now how do I included that to rockbox source? |
| 23:40:10 | markun | add it to apps/plugins/SOURCES |
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| 23:41:57 | Ozgur | markun: that is it? than when I say configure it will add it to the makefile? |
| 23:42:18 | markun | no, just run 'make' |
| 23:44:44 | Ozgur | not make install? |
| 23:44:50 | markun | also |
| 23:46:03 | ompaul | kind of offtopic kind of ontopic anyone got issues with iaudio h/w chargers going "pop" - iaudio itself is okay but the charger just died |
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