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#rockbox log for 2007-06-15

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00:02:54	ompaul	markun, np, I may make my own supply at the weekend, then I know it will take the abuse I want to give it ;-) or I may just fix the one that went, and rehouse it, it was a loud pop so I figure some cap blew.
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00:12:40	webguest85	I see in the current builds it says that you can put rockbox onto a 60/80gb ipod video. Is this true
00:12:43	webguest85	?
00:12:56	safetydan	webguest85, yes
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00:17:09	markun	webguest85: only 80 was a problem for a while
00:21:41	markun	Ozgur: did it work with the plugin?
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00:27:13	Ozgur	markun: I didn't find the SOURCES directory
00:27:32	Ozgur	it is in rockbox right?
00:27:52	webguest85	Is there a guide anywere that can tell me how to put rockboy and doom onto my ipod?
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00:28:33	Ozgur	markun: I am also having dinner, that is why the delay
00:29:07	preglow	it's not a directory, it's a file with a list of everything you want compiled
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00:36:44	evil_core_	hi all
00:37:21	evil_core_	has any work on supporting iRiver u10 started ?
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00:37:52	markun	evil_core_: no
00:38:03	markun	at least no programming
00:38:52	evil_core_	but, is there anything that i can try to run, i.e. rockbox for compatible iriver device
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00:39:28	evil_core_	or there is definetly no possibility for rockbox on u10 in near time ?
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00:40:02	markun	yes, there is nothing, sorry
00:40:20	evil_core_	hmm.ok
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00:40:51	evil_core_	know somebody if i can upgrade flash memory to bigger using official firmware ?
00:40:53	markun	evil_core_: non of the devs has a U10, so it's up to you guys
00:41:24	evil_core_	but, maybe some devs was upgrading in another models
00:42:06	markun	I don't understand what you mean by "upgrade flash memory to bigger using official firmware"
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00:42:48	evil_core_	i want know if after replacing flash memory, iriver will detect it
00:43:50	evil_core_	i bought u10 1GB, because in Poland 4/8GB are very expensive
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00:46:20	markun	evil_core_: it probably will detect it, as there is only 1 firmware update for all the models
00:46:46	markun	but do you think you are up to the taks of replacing the flash chip?
00:46:59	evil_core_	i dont want warranty from you, only information that you heard that somebody done it
00:47:22	markun	I've never heard anyone do it
00:47:27	linuxstb_	No-one comes here to talk about U10 hacking though...
00:47:28	evil_core_	no I, my friend is good electronic
00:48:44	evil_core_	i know that u10 has slower processor than clix, so are you sure, that its driven by identical firmware ?
00:49:26	markun	Ah, the u10 doesn't come in 4 and 8GB?
00:50:24	evil_core_	nope, original u10 is only 1GB
00:50:40	linuxstb_	evil_core_: I think markun meant that there is only one firmware for all the U10 models
00:50:47	evil_core_	2,4 and 8 clix, its look identical, only has quicker processor
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00:51:21	markun	linuxstb_: yes, but I assumed he was talking about the U10 when he said "because in Poland 4/8GB are very expensive"
00:51:28	stripwax	u10 is 512KB or 1GB only.
00:51:37	evil_core_	somebody has dissasebled them, and compared
00:52:01	markun	evil_core_: yes, we have a wiki page about those processors
00:52:11	markun	there are more differences besides the speed I think
00:52:22	evil_core_	http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2006/06/how-to-disassemble-the-iriver-clix-u10.php
00:52:38	markun	evil_core_: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SamsungSA58
00:53:06	stripwax	oh there's a 2gb u10 also.
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00:55:34	evil_core_	maybe its not rebranded yet
00:56:26	evil_core_	ok, thx for help
00:56:52	lazka	just wondering.. who long does it take to mount a sansa? it takes nearly 20 seconds here and that doesn't seem right to me.
00:57:14	Llorean	lazka: Twenty seconds from when?
00:57:28	markun	evil_core_: did you find the chips you want to use for the upgrade?
00:57:34	Llorean	Are you counting all the time it takes to boot up the original firmware too, or are you booting the original firmware by hand then timing how long from USB insert after it's fully booted?
00:58:43	lazka	Llorean: no from the moment nautilus opens because it detects the sansa... i think i will try to mount it it with over commandline
00:59:12	evil_core_	markun, my friend told me to make photos, and he later will look on it, but i was thinking that some of rockbox h4x3rs was doing it :P
00:59:12	Ozgur	markun: I searched for source in \\debian\filesystem\rockbox
00:59:16	Ozgur	there is none
00:59:21	Ozgur	also no SRC
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00:59:37	linuxstb_	You want apps/plugins/SOURCES
00:59:51	markun	did you update your tree?
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01:00:01	Ozgur	inside Rockbox right?
01:00:16	Ozgur	how do I do that?
01:01:01	markun	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingSVN
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01:01:16	markun	your rockbox source tree should look like this: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/
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01:01:35	markun	then you do "svn up" and it updates
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01:02:05	markun	Ozgur: if you can compile the simulator then everything should be there
01:02:15	Ozgur	yes
01:02:23	markun	do you have a 'apps' dir in your source tree?
01:02:26	Ozgur	but no sources
01:02:29	Ozgur	yes
01:02:38	markun	and 'plugins' inside that?
01:02:38	Ozgur	in rockbox I have apps
01:02:53	Ozgur	tree root is rockbox right?
01:03:00	markun	yes
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01:03:11	Ozgur	yes
01:03:22	Ozgur	but not Sources inside that
01:03:23	markun	in rockbox/apps/plugins there should be a file called SOURCES
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01:03:27	markun	it must be
01:03:29	Ozgur	you Oh
01:03:32	stripwax	?
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01:03:41	Ozgur	I thought I am putting it into a folder
01:03:42	Ozgur	sorry
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01:03:45	stripwax	cos it's too heavy
01:04:09	markun	Ozgur: no, you put your plugin in rockbox/apps/plugins and then edit the SOURCES file
01:04:17	Ozgur	OK
01:04:20	Ozgur	I see
01:04:21	Ozgur	sorry
01:04:25	markun	np
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01:05:56	Falco98	i've been having a pesky new problem since about yesterday.. curious whether anyone else has seen something like this..
01:06:45	Falco98	suddenly, every time my h140 idle-power-offs, when it powers back up it loses its playlist, and claims it can't resume anything... and if i manually power it off, it will resume its playlist but lose all settings when powered back on
01:09:20	LycoLoco	yikes
01:09:24	LycoLoco	have you changed builds or what?
01:09:29	Falco98	no change
01:09:34	Falco98	nothing that i can think of whatsoever
01:09:49	Ozgur	markun: OK, at least I could compile it and see the plugin name (even if I got my first error :) )
01:09:57	markun	:)
01:09:59	Ozgur	runtime that is
01:10:02	markun	some progress at least
01:10:08	Falco98	the build i'm using is probably several weeks old, so i was about to update and see if that magically cures the problem... but i wanted to throw this out there first because it would bug me if i didn't figure out what the problem may have really been :-P
01:10:10	Ozgur	I thought I just had copied
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01:17:47	Soul-Slayer	Hey, how come there is no Dual Boot feature on the iaudio series?
01:19:20	LycoLoco	I think it has to do with what they've figured out about the player and the firmware
01:19:32	LycoLoco	they don't have tht for the gigabeat yet either
01:19:58	Soul-Slayer	Well, on the 'Buyers Guide' on the wiki, it says 'No (Officially)
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01:20:12	markun	Soul-Slayer: there is a patch for it in the tracker
01:20:13	LycoLoco	sounds like you could patch it and get dualbooting then
01:20:19	Soul-Slayer	Aha, okay
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01:27:21	markun	good night all
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01:58:29	Ozgur	markun:
01:58:36	Ozgur	are you still there
01:59:35	Ozgur	If anybody who has experience with plugins can tell me the problem with following code, I can also correct it on "How to write plugins" page
01:59:37	Ozgur	#include "plugin.h"
01:59:37	Ozgur	PLUGIN_HEADER
01:59:37	Ozgur	static struct plugin_api* rb;
01:59:37	DBUG	Enqueued KICK Ozgur
01:59:37	Ozgur	enum plugin_status plugin_start(struct plugin_api* api, void* parameter)
01:59:37	Ozgur	{
01:59:39	Ozgur	(void)parameter;
01:59:41	Ozgur	rb = api;
01:59:43	Ozgur	rb->splash(HZ*2, true, "Hello world!");
01:59:45	Ozgur	return PLUGIN_OK;
01:59:47	Ozgur	}
01:59:49	Llorean	Ozgur: Please never paste to the channel
01:59:52	Llorean	Use pastebins instead.
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02:00:03	Ozgur	could you tell me how
02:00:32	Llorean	Just visit a pastebin site such as pastebin.ca, paste there, and paste the URL here.
02:00:41	Ozgur	hmm
02:00:44	Ozgur	thanks
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02:01:36	Ozgur	http://pastebin.ca/567437
02:01:46	Ozgur	here is the code...
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02:04:43	Falco98	grumble.. just updated to the latest build and my custom version of iAmp doesn't work now :-/
02:05:47	pixelma	Ozgur: I _believe_ the parameters for the splash function have changed - you don't need the 'true' anymore. Don't know if it's your only problem as I haven't really coded much myself. I think it should throw a warning during compile time though
02:06:32	Ozgur	nope this code generates runtime error
02:06:51	pixelma	Falco98: most common mistakes are unclosed conditionals and \| which are used outside conditionals and are not escaped
02:06:54	Ozgur	corrupted double link list
02:07:23	Falco98	pixelma: would that explain why it worked before the newer build, though?
02:07:32	Falco98	the .wps file is exactly the same...
02:08:04	pixelma	well, dont know how old your older build was but the wps parser got stricter a few weeks ago
02:09:24	Falco98	ahh okay..
02:09:36	Falco98	could you check and see if you can spot any obvious problems? http://pastebin.ca/567446
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02:09:42	pixelma	if you have a recently compiled sim, you can run it with the −−debugwps flag which will give you some output
02:10:05	Falco98	my last build was april 5th or so.. and just put today's latest one on
02:10:15	Falco98	to fix my "losing playlist after every resume" problem, heh
02:12:51	TrueJournals	Falco98: What DAP do you have?
02:13:01	Falco98	iriver H140
02:13:28	TrueJournals	OK... give me a second...
02:13:46	pixelma	hmm... don't see any obvious at first glance
02:14:37	Falco98	yeah.. keep in mind too that it worked until a few minutes ago :-P
02:15:10	Falco98	(BTW, updating to the latest build, with a clean install, for whatever reason, did fix my "losing playlist on restart after idle poweroff" issue, though i'm annoyed that i couldn't trace it to the actual cause)
02:16:45	TrueJournals	I THINK... re&sh should be re+sh
02:16:53	TrueJournals	line 4
02:16:54	TrueJournals	*40
02:18:06	TrueJournals	Nope, that didn't fix it...
02:18:51	Falco98	hm
02:19:06	TrueJournals	Hold on...
02:19:15	TrueJournals	I can never figure out how to get stderr output on windows...
02:20:11	Falco98	hm
02:20:17	Falco98	well the & is just part of a filename..
02:20:43	TrueJournals	Well, in the original WPS, it's +...
02:21:04	TrueJournals	and the filename is +
02:21:24	TrueJournals	"Failed parsing on line 8 : Unclosed conditional"
02:22:36	TrueJournals	Although I fail to see how...
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02:28:51	TrueJournals	Hmm... well, I have no idea why it's complaining about line 8
02:30:46	pixelma	Falco98: I arbitrarily changed stuff in that line and it seems escaping the hash (so it reads "%#") fixes it, except I did a mistake
02:31:03	Falco98	ok..
02:31:34	TrueJournals	Ah... "Everything that follows a # in a line (including the newline character) is a comment."
02:31:39	Falco98	pixel are you referring to line 8?
02:31:45	pixelma	yes
02:32:00	TrueJournals	"%# : Display a '#'"
02:32:10	Falco98	ahh indeed
02:32:17	Falco98	so what's the whole line supposed to look like now?
02:32:42	TrueJournals	%ac%s%?id<%?in<Track %#%in From The LP\|From The Album>%t12\|%t0>;%?ic<%acComposed by:%t6\|%t0>;%ac%sTrack Info:%t6
02:32:47	Falco98	ah cool then
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02:34:08	Falco98	sweet, it works
02:34:16	Falco98	that was a bit of a subtle change, that's probably how i missed it :-P
02:34:19	Falco98	thanks for the help
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02:36:44	pixelma	:)
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02:57:01	saratoga	where is the rb struct actually declared?
02:57:49	*	jhMikeS proposes an immediate revert of the -Os switch for Coldfire since it utterly destroys the speed. An SPC on my doom test file goes from 72% boost to 95% boost after the patch. Removing the -Os switch from tools/configure and using otherwise current SVN brings it back to what it should be.
02:58:21	Llorean	Does it destroy the speed on multiple/most codecs or is it just an SPC thing?
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02:59:01	safetydan	saratoga, plugin.h I believe
02:59:57	saratoga	safetydan: I don't believe its there
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03:00:08	jhMikeS	Llorean: I think you'll observe it on SPC more readily but I'd expect the same anywhere. I will check on perhaps vorbis which takes some CPU power.
03:00:08	saratoga	i think its in one of the 50 or so h files it includes
03:00:21	saratoga	unfortunately, its so short and so common grep returns almost every file in rockbox
03:01:38	safetydan	saratoga, I'm not sure I follow. Are you talking about the plugin rockbox api struct? It's defined in plugin.h and the actual value is created in plugin.c when the plugin is loaded.
03:03:05	saratoga	safetydan: just wondering where its actually defined, i want to see whats actually in it since i need to resync an old plugin
03:03:22	saratoga	oh
03:03:24	saratoga	plugin.c
03:03:29	saratoga	i understand what you're saying now
03:04:22	safetydan	saratoga, if you want to see what functions are available to plugins through the rb pointer, look at struct plugin_api in apps/plugin.h
03:05:12	saratoga	yeah i see now
03:05:18	saratoga	was forgetting how c worked for a moment
03:05:23	*	jhMikeS will have word about that shortly
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03:22:52	jhMikeS	well, forget that, it actually seems to improve speed on some things...odd
03:25:15	*	jhMikeS still is ticked that one of his favorite codecs is running like molasses :(
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03:30:36	Llorean	jhMikeS: I thought codecs could be given their own compiler flags?
03:32:59	jhMikeS	Llorean: I don't know...
03:35:05	Llorean	jhMikeS: I don't either but I think I remember someone talking about it.
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03:37:40	JdGordon	didnt nls just do that a few days ago?
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03:48:15	jhMikeS	I suppose it's a matter of seeing if it affects primarily c based codecs or it's just the funky way the SPC codec is made up for ARM ... which didn't actually hurt coldfire at all before
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05:16:04	saratoga	what does this mean
05:16:06	saratoga	"conversion lacks type at end of format"
05:16:13	saratoga	when making a call to snprintf
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05:22:27	safetydan	saratoga, some sort of mismatch between your format and your arguments
05:23:12	Tim_Mitchell	any gigabeat savvy people here?
05:23:32	saratoga	safetydan: can you look at this call and give me an idea?
05:23:42	safetydan	Tim_Mitchell, it's easier to ask your question and find out
05:23:45	safetydan	saratoga, sure
05:24:07	saratoga	rb->snprintf(&mighty[ix],1024,"%ll",va_arg(ap,long long));
05:24:30	Tim_Mitchell	my question is actually info that might be useful to rockbox developers concerning the gigabeat
05:24:30	saratoga	some kind of wrapper around snprintf I guess, and gcc seems uneasy about it
05:25:05	saratoga	Tim_Mitchell: most people are here during daytime in Europe, but theres a good chance they'll notice the logs, and if not, you can always try again later
05:26:19	safetydan	saratoga, shouldn't that be %lld?
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05:27:12	Llorean	Tim_Mitchell: You could always post it to the wiki page for the appropriate target.
05:27:15	saratoga3478	i just assumed it ment "long long"
05:27:19	saratoga3478	will look into that
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05:31:56	safetydan	I'm not even sure rockbox sprintf supports %lld. It does support %ld though.
05:32:03	saratoga3478	safetydan: also, i should be using rb->memcpy right?
05:32:41	Tim_Mitchell	OK, here are the details: my rockboxed gigabeat F40 had to go back for warranty service within a month of being new - it was completely dead, wouldn't power on, charge, or power on for USB connections - I haven't received it back yet but the email I got said that the repair was to reinstall corrupted firmware - note I had already unrockboxed it (had to take out the HD) - I guess my question is if rockbox might have caused the failure I'v
05:33:42	saratoga3478	Tim_Mitchell: no
05:34:13	Llorean	Rockbox is more "software" than "firmware" on the Gigabeat.
05:34:18	Tim_Mitchell	saratoga3474: by no, you mean no one else had this problem?
05:34:43	Llorean	Ther'es a firmware layer that handles charging and the initial part of bootup before any Rockbox code is ever run. With the problems you were having, that pre-rockbox code would've been involved in the problem, something Rockbox doesn't modify.
05:35:17	Tim_Mitchell	and there is no way for rockbox to have corrupted that?
05:35:39	Llorean	No.
05:36:19	Llorean	Not unless you made significant modifications to it yourself to add those functions, or used the some of the unofficial modifications to the F40 firmware from the forums.
05:36:30	Tim_Mitchell	completely stock install
05:36:49	saratoga3478	Llorean: are there logs somewhere for #gigabeat?
05:37:12	scorche\|palm	the link is in the topic
05:37:28	scorche\|palm	http://www.hack.id.au/files/gigabeat/irc/gigabeat/
05:37:58	safetydan	saratoga3478, yes
05:38:12	Llorean	Tim_Mitchell: Then rockbox doesn't have the means to corrupt the real "firmware". Though it's possible they'd refer to the FWIMG*.DAT files as firmware too, in which case those can be corrupted by Rockbox, but would not* be able to cause the problems you ahd.
05:38:40	saratoga3478	so odd, this plugin calls memcpy directly, which fails
05:38:49	saratoga3478	i wonder how that was supposed to work
05:39:25	Tim_Mitchell	I don't think they reinstalled the .DAT file since I copied the original back over to the HD and as you say the problems I had were with the device powering on, etc
05:40:34	Llorean	The code that handles poweron, charging, etc, is outside the scope of Rockbox. Not something we currently change, though there has been talk of replacing it with some of our own code in the future.
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05:43:10	Guest86460	Hello, I was wondering if I could have some help loading music with rockbox?
05:43:43	Guest86460	Is there are specific file or directory to put music?
05:44:16	scorche\|palm	you can put it anywhere you wish, really
05:44:59	Guest86460	Really? So if I put an album anywhere in the .rockbox directory it should go on?
05:45:20	saratoga3478	safetydan: could you take a quick look at this and suggest why it was included?
05:45:21	saratoga3478	http://pastebin.ca/567771
05:45:35	saratoga3478	do codecs and plugins not have access to the same util functions?
05:45:40	scorche\|palm	you /can/ put it there, but you don't really want to put it there
05:46:05	saratoga3478	Guest86460: you probably shouldn't mess around with the .rockbox folder, since its got the firmware in it
05:46:11	scorche\|palm	most common route would be to make a 'music' folder
05:46:33	safetydan	saratoga3478, codecs have their own equivalent of the plugin structure. So yes, if a plugin wanted to start a codec up, it would need to populate the ci structure from the rb one.
05:46:55	Guest86460	Ok, and if I do that the albums etc will appear as normal?
05:47:36	scorche\|palm	if you do what?
05:47:53	saratoga3478	safetydan: could you tell me a bit more about that? i have no idea how rockbox handles these things
05:48:00	saratoga3478	what would be needed by the plugin?
05:48:23	Guest86460	If I make a music folder in the drive directory and put all my albums in there, they will be on the player as normal?
05:49:03	saratoga3478	Guest86460: yes, just try it
05:49:34	Guest86460	thanks a lot!
05:51:58	Guest86460	Yes, it worked. Thanks again
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06:04:43	safetydan	saratoga3478, codecs are basically the same as plugins. They have their own equivalent to the plugin_api called codec_api. The codec_api struct is passed in to the codec when it is started up.
06:06:01	safetydan	At a guess, due to the way the plugin/codec loader works, the function pointers in the codec_api struct won't work when called by a codec running inside a plugin. So that code snippet you posted overwrites some of the function pointers with ones from the plugin_api struct.
06:07:14	safetydan	The test_codec plugin does something similar actually http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/plugins/test_codec.c?revision=13484&view=markup
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07:03:35	ptw419	i have a question regarding getting a custom build working
07:03:57	ptw419	i'm trying to get a preliminary build w/ a gigabeat S target tree working
07:04:31	ptw419	for some reason after bmprb is built, make is not finding the next build
07:04:47	ptw419	is there something in configure, or in the config files i am missing?
07:06:28	JdGordon	ptw419: have you se the cpu manufacturer and model variabls in confirue?
07:12:54	ptw419	yes]
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07:13:32	gantrixx	what is wrong with the website?
07:13:36	ptw419	do you mean the section in the menu selection where you specify what type of arm architecture?
07:14:02	gantrixx	many of the pages time out
07:14:04	ptw419	or maybe a different section that i am not aware of...
07:14:52	ptw419	or you mean the target tree variables?
07:14:56	JdGordon	ptw419: what errors are you getting? If its cant fid include paths then your configure script wasnt done rihgt
07:15:40	ptw419	after bmprb i just get "
07:15:49	ptw419	"*** [all] Error 2"
07:16:04	ptw419	bug make -d output looks like make can't find the targets
07:16:25	JdGordon	pastebin your fixed confgireu script?
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07:16:39	gantrixx	the website is all jacked up
07:16:44	gantrixx	it won't display
07:17:20	JdGordon	2007-06-15: Devcon West 2007 and new IP address and faster connection for www.rockbox.org <- the first news itm... probably your problem
07:17:51	gantrixx	I go to www.rockbox.org
07:18:12	ptw419	http://pastebin.com/929393
07:18:21	gantrixx	it's other pages from their that don't display
07:18:48	ptw419	mainly i just edited the menu selection part for now.
07:19:21	ptw419	its not much different from the regular gigabeat f/x section, could this be the problem?
07:20:06	gantrixx	I can't get to build.rockbox.org
07:20:29	JdGordon	ptw419: you missing appextra="recorder:gui" but I dont tinhk that will matter if you cant get firmware to build either
07:21:37	JdGordon	ptw419: you have created the target tree folders with the necassery -target.h files?
07:22:00	ptw419	none yet
07:22:22	ptw419	would that prevent it from getting past that certain part?
07:22:37	JdGordon	I think so
07:22:52	ptw419	i could try that.
07:23:12	JdGordon	im not sure which -target.h files you actually need thhuogh
07:23:22	ptw419	i could just put in a couple of stubs
07:23:26	ptw419	for now
07:23:53	JdGordon	I gtg, good luck
07:24:08	ptw419	ok thanks for the help :)
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08:28:34	ptw419	i found out what was wrong w/ the build
08:28:49	ptw419	for some reason i had junk in the config.h file...i don't remember how it got there....
08:31:51	amiconn	jhMikeS: are you around?
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08:45:26	amiconn	jhMikeS: (1) Regarding the -Os problem - most codecs don't suffer from it because they use codec libraries which are built with their own -O options
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08:45:50	amiconn	But spc is special in that it does all the decoding in the main spc.c, and has no lib
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08:46:17	amiconn	I think that codecs should all be built with -O2 (and their libraries keeping their own options for tuning)
08:47:18	amiconn	But I would also like to see a way to assign special -O settings to certain source files in a dir, like certain plugins or the dsp code in the core
08:47:51	amiconn	So if you had an idea how to do this...
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08:48:37	jhMikeS	not off hand really...except make a library even if it doesn't have it's own code?
08:50:12	amiconn	(2) Regarding the PP5020 - do you know what special tests could be done? Perhaps I'll have a target for testing available for a few days...
08:50:15	jhMikeS	the sid codec is affected a couple % as well but nothing as severly as spc
08:50:44	amiconn	The codecs are no problem, as they should simply be built with -O2. All of them.
08:51:01	jhMikeS	-Os actually seems to help vorbis
08:51:16	amiconn	I'm not talking about the libs...
08:51:56	jhMikeS	I just changed the global one and saw a benefit
08:52:34	amiconn	Tremor is built with -O3 on cf, and -O2 on arm
08:52:47	amiconn	Only vorbis.c is affected by the main -O level
08:53:11	jhMikeS	oh, and tests on PP5020 re: the dual core stuff?
08:53:18	amiconn	yes
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08:54:58	jhMikeS	I have about a hundred that I'd get led to depending on what happens, but I suspect interrupts are dyning unless cpsr is being fiddled with
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09:07:14	sini	download.rockbox.org is down, so I can't get to the manual first of all...
09:08:08	sini	but my ipod is 'frozen' −− it doesn't respond to controls −− though the backlight does come on when you touch it. When I plug it in under windows it shows up as an unkown device.
09:08:15	sini	And I can't turn it off to reset it
09:08:25	sini	I've held play down for a minute straight :(
09:09:20	sini	I should say it's an ipod photo
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09:11:31	petur	sini: the wiki is accessible: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodPort
09:12:26	petur	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodBoot#Recovering_from_a_crash
09:13:38	sini	Alright thanks. :)
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09:14:03	sini	I was trying every button combination except for that one :-/
09:14:15	petur	are we getting the new IP address today?
09:14:44	*	pondlife wonders if the new address is in place already and hence the "missing" servers?
09:15:05	B4gder	new IP in.. 6 hours
09:15:24	pondlife	Any chance that the build server will be accessible before then?
09:15:56	Presence	Holy crap, there's a freaking rockbox convention here in Vegas!
09:16:02	B4gder	the current problem is unrelated to the new IP stuff
09:17:13	pondlife	Good! I guess :/
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09:22:19	advcomp2019	is there any way i can help with the sansa e200r
09:23:14	*	petur wants this feature in rockbox: http://www.soundofmotion.com/somo/products.jsp
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09:25:49	Zagor	petur: making noise when you drive? ;)
09:26:38	petur	yes, coupled to the speed you drive
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09:26:57	petur	when biking, it would help getting noticed ;)
09:27:11	jhMikeS	amiconn: If I can use mailboxes, a core lock in the scheduler should be basically unneded (but probably won't fix the 5020 issue I'm guessing). The interaction between the schedulers is basically that of waking a thread on another core which can be handled by the core the thread beongs to and that will block the other core until the interrupt is cleared.
09:27:14	*	petur was able to avoid an accident again yesterday
09:28:18	Zagor	petur: I can't quite see the connection to Rockbox though
09:28:44	Zagor	build/svn/download server is back up
09:29:00	petur	attach a speed measuring device to my player and let rockbox do the sound generation
09:29:29	petur	if I get usbotg working ;)
09:29:57	Zagor	...and connect an USB speaker
09:30:06	Zagor	that doesn't require external power
09:30:26	petur	sounds like a plan ;)
09:30:36	Zagor	having the noise in your headphones won't help much :-)
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09:31:37	advcomp2019	i was wondering how can i help get rockbox working on the sansa e200r's
09:32:28	Zagor	advcomp2019: let me turn the question around: how can you help us? do you have such a player? do you know how it works internally? are you a programmer?
09:33:50	B4gder	advcomp2019: are you familiar with the problems we have on the R?
09:35:38	advcomp2019	i have a sansa e280r... i was wondering if i could help... i am not a programmer... i like the idea of rockbox but put it on my e280r
09:36:19	B4gder	then I'm not sure what you can do
09:36:28	B4gder	we need to figure out how to replace the bootloader
09:36:58	B4gder	I would assume the "best" way to do that is to learn more from the extracted one
09:37:04	B4gder	reading assembly mostly
09:41:16	merbzt	B4gder: isn't the best way just to patch the return from the signature check ?
09:41:48	B4gder	well, to patch that we need to put a patched version on the player
09:42:04	B4gder	and the question is how
09:42:18	B4gder	mrh made us a patched version
09:42:35	merbzt	so the issue is how to write to the player
09:42:39	B4gder	yes
09:43:00	B4gder	they changed the way completely from the vanilla to the R
09:43:17	merbzt	they changed the hardware also ?
09:43:21	B4gder	there's even the slight risk that it just isn't possible
09:43:37	B4gder	merbzt: not that we know
09:43:52	B4gder	but I don't think I've seen any proper R model dissect
09:45:08	merbzt	so the code that updates the boot loader on non R models don't work when run on the R models ?
09:45:16	B4gder	exactly
09:45:44	B4gder	since the R models don't store/read the bootloadeer from the same place
09:46:50	merbzt	ok, does the R model have the feature to update the BL even ?
09:46:54	B4gder	nope
09:47:01	B4gder	not in their bootloader
09:47:40	merbzt	well then we just have to break their signature :)
09:47:51	B4gder	haha, yeah
09:47:58	B4gder	160bits ain't that many ;-P
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09:53:13	merbzt	B4gder: do you know where the firmware is stored ?
09:53:27	B4gder	no
09:53:46	B4gder	we just don't know that much about the R models
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09:54:51	merbzt	so it might even be stored on rom for all we know
09:55:06	B4gder	no, I believe you can upgrade
09:55:22	B4gder	just not the bootloader
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10:00:26	merbzt	I meant that the BL could reside in ROM
10:00:40	B4gder	yes
10:01:20	merbzt	but that would mean another chip which costs money so it unlikely
10:02:19	merbzt	back to square one
10:02:35	B4gder	anyway, figuring this out is tricky
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10:16:28	lazka	how good is the emulator for the sansa?
10:17:56	B4gder	try it and find out ;-)
10:18:34	*	B4gder did a little rant for neuros
10:19:51	lazka	B4gder: ok :)
10:20:05	B4gder	I never tried the emulator as it is windows only
10:20:24	lazka	B4gder: oh, win only, so not for me
10:20:28	lazka	crap
10:20:48	B4gder	yeah, but once we get in in svn we can join in and make it multi platform
10:21:30	B4gder	I would also like to see if we can use it as a more generic emulator for other arm-based targets too
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10:34:32	pondlife	petur: Let me know if you get speed detection working ;) I've long wanted a car stereo that knows to turn up the volume as the diesel engine revs up...
10:35:03	petur	hehe
10:35:20	B4gder	my stereo changes volume based on speed
10:35:23	petur	seems the idea is not soooo bad
10:35:36	pondlife	B4gder: Which model of stereo?
10:35:47	B4gder	a built-in saab one
10:35:54	*	petur has no aux on his car radio :(
10:36:11	B4gder	it has aux in too ;-)
10:36:14	pondlife	Ah, ok. I've not seen an aftermarket stereo with a speed/revs input
10:36:18	petur	well I have, but it's used by the cd changer
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10:36:29	Zagor	pondlife: no, it's a stock-stereo thing
10:36:51	*	pondlife has an old car which came with an AM/cassette only
10:37:15	pondlife	Stock-stereos have improved in the past 20 years.
10:38:03	Zagor	you really want speed, not revs...
10:38:38	pondlife	Back OT, what is stopping us providing daily voice files? Quality of Festival, licensing..?
10:38:52	B4gder	nothing really
10:38:56	B4gder	I have a script pending
10:39:05	B4gder	festival isn't top notch but it works
10:39:08	pondlife	Ding! That's the right answer
10:39:26	B4gder	I even made a fancy caching system for the strings
10:39:40	pondlife	No chance of a MS-Mary one? I assume that would need farming out to a Windows box :/
10:39:50	B4gder	yeah, I can't do that part
10:40:04	pondlife	I could provide the Windows box
10:40:22	pondlife	Slow uplink speed, but not too bad for a daily thing.
10:40:48	B4gder	then perhaps I should just provide my script and perhaps it can be run on cygwin on a windows box
10:41:02	pondlife	Hmm, can Cygwin access SAPI?
10:41:11	B4gder	I don't know crap about that stuff
10:41:12	pondlife	I was using the .vbs method
10:41:31	B4gder	yeah, my script might not offer much good for windows
10:41:43	pondlife	I could happily set up a job to build a new file and put it on an FTP site...
10:42:16	B4gder	would you be able to provide rsync access?
10:42:23	pondlife	Hmm, not sure.
10:42:32	B4gder	the download server pulls stuff using rsync atm
10:42:36	pondlife	Does it need anything more than a new file uploading (or downloadable)?
10:42:49	pondlife	OK, very probably - it's just an IP port to open, right?
10:43:01	B4gder	yes, it is just one port
10:43:10	pondlife	Or does it need a service/daemon to be running?
10:43:19	B4gder	that too
10:43:21	pondlife	:(
10:43:38	amiconn	pondlife: It's just some scripting that's necessary to get sapi voice building working in the build system
10:43:39	pondlife	The box concerned is my PVR too, I'd rather keep it clear of background stuff.
10:44:10	pondlife	Maybe I'll see how I like the output from Festival or whateve first.
10:44:14	amiconn	That's one of the tasks sitting on my todo list for a too long time :(
10:44:37	pondlife	pixelma pointed out how slow new options are to get voiced.
10:44:54	amiconn	The build system can lauch whatever is reachable via the path, so running a vbscript (via cscript.exe) is no problem
10:45:58	Zagor	could it be possible to make ms-mary in a wine environment?
10:46:15	Zagor	or, rather, create a wine-environment that can make ms-mary voices
10:46:18	amiconn	Most probably not
10:46:28	B4gder	the need for automated voices will be noticable once we go target-specific voice files
10:46:29	amiconn	It would require installing sapi under wine
10:46:47	pondlife	I'm assuming that MS-Mary sounds nicer than any Festival output.... or any other freely-distributable voice.
10:46:58	B4gder	that's my assumption too
10:47:08	amiconn	I wouldn't know how to do that - sapi integrates tightly with the os
10:49:04	Zagor	amiconn: here's an article about that: http://www.texttospeechblog.com/2007_02_01_archive.html
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10:52:49	Zagor	or, rather, this is the proper link: http://nextup.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3349
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10:57:13	amiconn	think it'd be easier to just build the voices on windows
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11:13:17	austriancoder	petur: ping
11:13:37	petur	plonk
11:14:07	austriancoder	have you looked in wasabi for device stuff?
11:14:28	petur	ah no time... sorry
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11:15:07	petur	but it should be there as the demo app can browse files of the attached demo app
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11:15:35	austriancoder	but there are no descriptors defined in the whole source
11:16:00	petur	hmmm
11:17:12	austriancoder	could you check it for me over the weekend? it also could be that i have overseen it
11:17:30	petur	I'll really try to look at it tonight or tomorrow
11:18:19	petur	this week has been really bad and next week will be worse, major deadline here at work and doing lots of overtime
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11:18:41	peppo	I'm about to try rockbox on my ipod 80gb 5.5th generation. which manual applies, "iPod Video"?
11:18:52	B4gder	peppo: yes
11:18:53	GodEater__	peppo: yep
11:19:01	austriancoder	petur: no problem.. i also have my this and next week to do some stuff for university
11:20:30	petur	ok
11:21:18	austriancoder	jhMikeS: ping
11:21:57	petur	all that pinging is bad for the whales, you know
11:22:43	*	austriancoder ...
11:24:00	austriancoder	I think I will write him a mail...
11:24:23	petur	consider the timezone....
11:24:57	B4gder	is mike going to devconwest?
11:25:30	B4gder	nah seems not
11:31:58	pondlife	GodEater_: What time were you thinking for "DevConPub"?
11:32:18	petur	lol
11:32:30	jhMikeS	austriancoder: pong
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11:33:14	austriancoder	jhMikeS: check your mails :)
11:33:18	jhMikeS	ok
11:33:43	pondlife	brb
11:39:05	peppo	is this tool not functional now: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ConvertiTunesDBtoTagCache
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11:48:35	pondlife	peppo: I believe that's obsolete
11:49:25	pondlife	Slasher will know for sure
11:49:33	pondlife	Slasheri even
11:49:41	peppo	seems to have worked
11:49:51	pondlife	Well, shows how little I know!
11:49:55	peppo	is there a preferred place to put music on my ipod w/rockbox?
11:50:09	pondlife	Not really, anywhere you want..
11:50:16	Slasheri	i don't think that tool has been updated
11:50:37	pondlife	peppo: Probably best not under the .rockbox directory though
11:50:40	peppo	and I am slightly unsure, will the drive contents be rescanned every time, or do I need to update the database?
11:51:02	pondlife	Depends if you enable database updating
11:51:35	pondlife	If you do it will rescan occasionally. Or you can just force an update - context menu from the Database option is the easiest way
11:52:09	pondlife	Slasheri: That reminds me - what triggers the auto-update? I've left it for 2 hours and it didn't do it...
11:54:02	jhMikeS	austriancoder: response transmitted
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11:54:47	peppo	rockbox seem to be working fine on my 5.5g 80gb ipod
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11:56:07	lymeca	Does Rockbox use Tremor to decode the Vorbis audio format?
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12:08:28	austriancoder	jhMikeS: mail :)
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12:11:08	[Ray]	austriancoder: descriptors are in dc_chap9.c
12:12:51	austriancoder	[Ray]: ok found.. this source code looks very dirty
12:15:25	[Ray]	yah it is, i'm amazed you guys picked that one, i'm used to lpcusb and love the simplicity of it
12:16:54	markun	[Ray]: the reasons are here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsbSoftwareStack
12:17:18	austriancoder	[Ray]: petur is working with it to get otg working with wasabe... I did my stuff from scratch, but will be merged later
12:18:39	PaulJam	hi, i have a little question about h300 buttonmapping: in the "browse plugins" list PLAY goes to the wps, but in all the other "browse xxx" lists PLAY only goes up one level. is this intended?
12:18:40	[Ray]	markun: i read those can't help the feeling the only reason wasabi was really chosen because it has implementation of some default classes
12:19:21	markun	[Ray]: well, I guess petur and austriancoder are the people to ask about that
12:19:32	[Ray]	austriancoder: i'm playing with the otg stuff, but haven't got it as far as it actually reads a packet and responds to it
12:20:39	austriancoder	[Ray]: for otg you must ask petur.. I am doing atm only the device part of it
12:21:18	[Ray]	well i meant the otg usb controller thing , i too only care about implementing devices with it
12:21:34	[Ray]	implemented a G15 LCD device on the lpc once
12:21:37	[Ray]	that was a ton of fun
12:21:46	[Ray]	should be cool for rockbox too
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12:39:29	guyzmo	hi
12:39:58	guyzmo	I'm still getting file missing rockbox.ipod not found at rockbox startup on my 5.5g ipod
12:40:17	guyzmo	all the messages I read from the forum says that 2.2.2 from the manual has not been correctly followed
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12:40:50	guyzmo	but I can assure I did follow the manual, that I have extracted the .zip at the root of the ipod
12:41:03	guyzmo	and it can't boot
12:41:31	DerPapst	guyzmo: have you formated the fat32 partition in linux?
12:41:41	guyzmo	DerPapst - I think so
12:41:44	guyzmo	I don't have windows
12:42:06	DerPapst	it's a problem with makefs and 5.5G iPods
12:42:11	guyzmo	urgh
12:42:18	guyzmo	is there a way to correct that ?
12:42:20	DerPapst	you have to format the fat32 partition with mformat
12:42:32	guyzmo	uhuh
12:42:39	DerPapst	wait a sec...
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12:43:18	DerPapst	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32#For_5_5G_80Gb_iPods
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12:44:11	DerPapst	but the args passed to mformat are for 5.5G 80GB iPods. you have to change them to fit your 30GB one
12:44:37	DerPapst	-S and -M can stay
12:45:12	DerPapst	-t has to canged definitely
12:45:31	DerPapst	not sure about -h and -s
12:45:34	guyzmo	I have a 80GB :)
12:45:42	guyzmo	ok that rocks
12:46:03	DerPapst	oh...
12:46:11	DerPapst	then i missread something :P
12:46:22	guyzmo	thank you
12:46:31	GodEater	would be nice if we could find someone with a 30G 5.5G and get the ths numbers from it
12:46:57	DerPapst	-t should be 909 for the 30GB one
12:47:15	DerPapst	but i have no idea what -s and -h are for
12:47:22	GodEater	sectors and heads
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12:48:48	DerPapst	GodEater: maybe you could add that to the wiki page and tell them that 30GB 5.5G owners have to do this step as well and that they have to figure out the -s and -h values first
12:49:03	guyzmo	gotta go
12:49:08	guyzmo	but really that rocks :)
12:49:12	guyzmo	thank you
12:49:24	DerPapst	np :)
12:51:18	GodEater	DerPapst: do we actually know that 30GB owners do need to do it ?
12:51:36	DerPapst	btw.. do we already know for sure that the 30GB 5.5G iPod has "only" 32MB ram?
12:51:44	DerPapst	GodEater: yes
12:51:50	GodEater	DerPapst: no we don't know that either
12:52:20	DerPapst	There are reported cases about that issue on the IPL wiki
12:52:37	GodEater	what did those users do ?
12:52:42	DerPapst	for 30GB 5.5G iPods (missing rockbox.ipod)
12:52:56	GodEater	why on EARTH are they posting to iPL about it ?1?!
12:53:01	DerPapst	format the iPod with makefs.vfat in linux
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12:54:07	GodEater	so mformat wasn't required ?
12:54:16	DerPapst	GodEater: this was at the early beginnings of a working 5.5G port in iPL... and rockbox already had support for the 30GB iPods
12:54:27	indigio3	can anyone tell me the type of drive the gigabeat F40 uses? I want to upgrade it to a 60gb or 80gb
12:54:41	DerPapst	and they assumed something was wrong on the instructions over at iPL
12:54:42	markun	indigio3: which one do you have now?
12:54:50	indigio3	F40
12:55:01	indigio3	oh wait soryr
12:55:08	DerPapst	GodEater: the one who reported that formatted his iPod in windows again
12:55:20	indigio3	the one that comes with it (i havent got the gigabeat yet.. it's on its way..)
12:55:53	DerPapst	GodEater: since you can create 32GB fatpartitions in windows without problems that option works.
12:55:55	markun	indigio3: then you can update to a 60 or 80 1.8" drive from Toshiba with a 40-pin ata connector (not the ZIF connector)
12:56:07	GodEater	DerPapst: indeed :)
12:56:11	markun	amiconn: which model is it for the 80GB one?
12:56:13	DerPapst	GodEater: but not for linux users :P
12:56:31	indigio3	markun: thanks - can you point out the ones that would suit me on this website as I am such a n00b.. :-) http://www.span.com/
12:56:37	GodEater	well we need a savvy linux user to come and work it out for us
12:56:43	GodEater	one that owns the required iPod
12:56:47	markun	indigio3: sure, just a minute
12:56:54	indigio3	markun: thanks dude
12:57:05	DerPapst	GodEater: in case you edit the wiki could you also please add that reformatting the Fat32 partition on 30GB iPods works but not on 80GB ones?
12:57:21	DerPapst	*in windows of course
12:57:23	GodEater	reformatting from windows you mean /
12:57:24	GodEater	right
12:57:28	DerPapst	:)
12:57:43	GodEater	you don't have wiki rights yourself ? :)
12:57:46	markun	indigio3: http://www.span.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=23_504_1801&products_id=6016&osCsid=c3748a8193ea5f81f225fc417335515a
12:58:12	indigio3	excellent - so basically is it any of the drives ending in GAH?
12:58:30	markun	indigio3: so, MK6007GAH or MK8007GAH
12:58:40	DerPapst	GodEater: no. i tried once and was too dumb to read the instructions.
12:58:46	DerPapst	:P
12:58:47	indigio3	markun: right... but it says on the site "50 pin"
12:58:51	markun	indigio3: yes, any drive with GAH, but not with a ZIF connector
12:58:56	markun	ok, 50 it is then :)
12:58:57	indigio3	ok
12:58:58	GodEater	hahahaha
12:59:16	indigio3	markun: ahh.. im confused with all these connectors.. so i deffo is the 50 pinner?
12:59:20	markun	yes
12:59:29	indigio3	right
12:59:38	indigio3	another quesiton (can I PM you?)
12:59:54	markun	sure
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13:00:17	markun	indigio3: petur also has such a 80GB drive
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13:00:20	pixelma	GodEater: IIRC Slasheri has such a 5.5g 30GB Ipod
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13:08:41	petur	indigio3: the GAH indication is not related to the connector, the MK8007GAH was the last one (highest capacity) to have a 'normal' ATA connector (not ZIF)
13:08:45	amiconn	markun: MK8007GAH is correct. Will fit the iriver H140, H340, X5 60GB, M5 40GB, gigabeat F40
13:09:16	amiconn	The MK8009GAH has a zif connector and won't fit mentioned targets
13:09:30	petur	sadly it seems nowhere to be found nowadays
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13:13:58	petur	whoa... seagate lists 1.8" 120GB drives (sadly also ZIF)
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13:15:27	pixelma	petur: yes they also have a 60GB single platter (without the right connector though :\ )
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13:15:45	markun	petur: do you think we could make convertors for the connectors?
13:15:53	DerPapst	does the ipod video have ZIF?
13:16:04	markun	I think so
13:16:19	markun	the Gigabeat S also has a ZIF connector
13:16:27	petur	there's a site that has details on that (zif <-> ide), I forget the url all the time
13:16:27	markun	don't know if it's ZIF-40 or ZIF-18
13:16:53	markun	petur: the voltage is different, right? 3.3 instead of 5?
13:17:19	petur	no idea
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13:21:07	PaulJam	markun: here is a description of a selfmade IDE ZIF adapter for h300: http://www.stolltech.ch/iriver.pdf
13:21:19	markun	thank!
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13:21:55	DerPapst	iPod Videos are using ZIF-40
13:21:55	petur	yes, that's the url I forget
13:22:22	peppo	I've added some music in a folder called "musik" in the root of my iPod 80GB. however, the database is not detecting the music
13:22:50	PaulJam	peppo: have you enabled auto update?
13:23:13	peppo	PaulJam, no, I forced an update
13:23:18	peppo	(in background)
13:23:22	peppo	however, a reboot solved it
13:24:03	DerPapst	gtg.. work
13:24:06	peppo	thanks bye
13:24:07	DerPapst	see you
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13:24:41	PaulJam	peppo: i think it works without a reboot if you have database in RAM enabled.
13:24:46	markun	PaulJam: I wonder what the "ZIF kanal" connections are going to
13:26:43	safetydan_	hrm, this sorting tags thing isn't that easy :(
13:28:11	peppo	explicit reboot doesn't work here
13:28:15	peppo	I press Menu and the Middle button
13:28:18	peppo	for many seconds
13:31:34	peppo	"Please reboot to enable"
13:31:47	peppo	when I try to enter the Database menu. but I'm not able to reboot
13:32:36	pixelma	you should be able to reboot normally (hold "Play" to switch off)
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13:45:23	markun	petur: do you think there would be interest here in the rockbox community for these ZIF converters?
13:46:57	petur	possibly.... but not that many I fear
13:48:09	markun	I would like to buy a cheap Gigabeat F10 and add one of these 60GB toshiba drives
13:48:49	markun	or maybe a harddiskless Gigabeat from toffe
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14:16:31	daurnimator	hey
14:16:34	daurnimator	when is the devcon starting?
14:16:46	B4gder	in... 10 hours or so
14:18:18	B4gder	and in less than 1 hour we'll shutdown the www.rockbox.org site for network change
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14:20:03	petur	time to switch webirc server then :)
14:20:13	B4gder	yeah
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14:22:45	chrisjs169	ok, just noticed B4gder mention a network change, does that explain the weirdness of download.rockbox.org?
14:22:58	B4gder	no
14:23:10	B4gder	what weirdnesS?
14:23:35	chrisjs169	don't tell me this computer is eff'd up again
14:23:59	chrisjs169	i can't really explain it
14:24:05	chrisjs169	it's in uhh....japanese
14:24:09	B4gder	that server was down previously today, but should work fine now
14:24:19	B4gder	or rather apache was down, not the server itself
14:25:15	B4gder	time to go yank cables
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14:29:12	chrisjs169	here's a screenshot of what i'm getting
14:29:36	chrisjs169	http://i17.tinypic.com/6g9t8hs.png
14:30:45	Zagor	chrisjs169: your local dns is on drugs :)
14:31:21	chrisjs169	Zagor: That's what I thought, but wget says otherwise
14:31:36	Zagor	well it doesn't look like that from here anyway
14:32:19	chrisjs169	that's sort of the problem - yesterday Google and Digg both on showed HitboxGateway[version number]
14:33:22	chrisjs169	meh, now it's working, but this is starting to get weird
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14:34:18	Zagor	chrisjs169: well you're on verizon, what can you expect? ;)
14:34:45	chrisjs169	Zagor: Yeah, but I thought my DNS entries were for opendns
14:34:56	chrisjs169	...and they're not
14:35:37	chrisjs169	now they are :P
14:35:42	Zagor	well, now I'm off to reconfigure our local net
14:36:01	Zagor	expect some downtime to www
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14:41:38	*	amiconn advises to use real clients :P
14:42:21	*	petur asks amiconn to have a chat with the network admin here at work
14:42:35	petur	"no chatting!"
14:42:52	*	petur should try that port 8000 trick
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15:04:20	petur	this connecting to port 8000 is really nice, wish I had known it before...
15:06:29	XavierGr	petur: are you on a real irc client (and which)?
15:06:35	XavierGr	+now
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15:08:12	petur	hmmm nick highlighting not 100%
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15:16:58	klndz3	before I go searching
15:17:14	klndz3	does anyone have this same problem with an ipod video
15:17:20	klndz3	specifically the 80gig
15:17:41	klndz3	My battery meter has gone down 6 percent in 10 minutes
15:17:55	klndz3	and it says only around 2 hours and some odd minutes
15:18:06	klndz3	the ipod is brand new
15:18:52	petur	remaining time is unreliable and ipod batterylife under rockbox is bad
15:19:04	klndz3	ok
15:19:12	klndz3	so I shouldn't even worry about that?
15:19:21	petur	there's a wiki page (ipodruntime I think)
15:19:52	klndz3	I found it
15:19:54	klndz3	Thank you!
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16:10:52	Lynx_	did the website ip change?
16:10:59	Ozgur_	eSpeak is written in C++. Is it no problem?
16:11:06	Ozgur_	Flite is pure c
16:11:11	Ozgur_	mostly ansi
16:11:17	markun	Yes, that's a slight problem
16:11:26	markun	but almost all is just pure C
16:11:32	Ozgur_	hmm
16:11:59	markun	It's just the translator class which needs to be replaced by a struct with function pointers
16:12:31	markun	I talked to the author about it and he wouldn't mind having espeak in C
16:12:44	markun	but at the time he thought it would be easier to implement it this way
16:13:26	The-Compiler	Uh? Is the rockbox-website down?
16:13:54	markun	yes, it is
16:14:18	The-Compiler	why?
16:14:27	The-Compiler	because the new server?
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16:16:48	markun	I guess so
16:18:43	Lynx_	is the website down, or just IP change?
16:19:20	Llorean	I seem to recall mention of a planned IP change.
16:19:37	Llorean	Which is good, really, I thought my connection was just being a hassle
16:19:57	Ozgur_	markun: yes it seems mostly c to me : http://espeak.sourceforge.net/speak_lib.h
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16:20:29	Lynx_	hmm, ok
16:20:35	bonbonthejon	is the website down?
16:20:55	SaltShaker	yes
16:21:04	SaltShaker	IP change
16:21:12	bonbonthejon	ok, wanted to make sure it wasn't a problem on my end
16:21:15	markun	Ozgur_: yes, it's really just the Translator class
16:21:33	Ozgur_	but, mrola is not open source
16:21:38	Ozgur_	mbrola
16:21:41	markun	no, it isn't
16:21:59	Ozgur_	it is given as a dll Mbrola.dll: http://www.tcts.fpms.ac.be/synthesis/mbrola/mbrolatools.html
16:22:10	Ozgur_	so we can not port it I assume
16:22:14	Ozgur_	BRB
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16:29:50	markun	Ozgur_: you can use "/query markun" for example
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16:37:41	chrisjs169	About how long is the site expected to be down?
16:38:19	n1s	chrisjs169: we don't estimate dates/times :-)
16:38:44	*	Llorean hopes it's up in the next 5 hours.
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16:47:11	*	petur thinks is't funny to refer to the www server in the channel topic when it's down
16:48:40	Llorean	Shouldn't I still be able to get to forums. still?
16:48:53	markun	I'm on the forum right now
16:48:57	n1s	Llorean: you should, I can
16:49:17	Llorean	Alright, so I'll mark that one down to "cingular hates Paul"
16:50:42	amiconn	petur: hehe, you're right
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16:54:06	gantrixx	are there instructions someplace on how to install the themes?
16:54:24	gantrixx	someplace on the web that is up?
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17:14:48	chrisjs169	n1s: isn't the download server down as well?
17:15:04	n1s	chrisjs169: nope
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17:15:32	chrisjs169	n1s: maybe my dns is messed up then
17:16:00	n1s	chrisjs169: they changed the ip so it's likely that the dns hasn't updated yet
17:16:10	n1s	you dns I mean
17:16:18	n1s	your even
17:18:02	chrisjs169	apparently ns1.rockbox.org (and ns2) are timing out
17:20:11	n1s	you can read the build table here :-) http://83.168.254.42
17:21:33	n1s	and download current builds
17:24:07	chrisjs169	yeah, i got the ip
17:31:32	n1s	amiconn: I found a mandelbrot bug (I think) if i zoom in like 50 times the screen filles with one solid colour, blue on player, red in sim and zooming out does only show the solid colour too after that happends.
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17:45:07	amiconn	It's a known effect. You simply reached the precision limit of the fixed point arithmetic
17:45:19	n1s	ah, ok
17:46:01	amiconn	Perhaps the plugin should prevent zooming that far
17:46:13	amiconn	Or add 64 bit arithmetics for super-zoomers ;)
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17:46:45	n1s	might be nice, but it's painfully slow at that level already so I don't think it's important
17:47:32	amiconn	64bit would be significantly slower
17:48:09	amiconn	Regarding speed, were you testing on cf or arm?
17:48:27	n1s	amiconn: cf but not with your latest change
17:48:52	n1s	but it is like 5 seconds per frame at the highets zoom levels
17:49:12	amiconn	It's more if you increase the # of iterations
17:51:01	amiconn	And cf is significantly faster than arm
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18:17:59	AceNik_	hey uys is the website down?
18:18:06	SaltShaker	IP Change
18:18:08	SaltShaker	so yes
18:18:16	AceNik_	how much time?
18:19:55	AceNik_	has the devcon started, is the webcam up?
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18:34:03	pixelma	if we only knew with what... i.e. just ask your question and if someone knows the answer (and it is a rockbox question) s/he will ;)
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18:38:46	n1s	Cl0wn: what's the problem?
18:40:04	Cl0wn	[n1s]: u know if i can install that games(apple) for ipod on rockbox OS ?
18:40:47	n1s	Cl0wn: no you can't run the apple games in rockbox
18:41:14	Lear	Itunes AAC has a pretty large encoder delay, it seems...
18:41:28	Cl0wn	[n1s]: ok tks
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18:43:40	n1s	hmm, at least 4 plugins crash in the 64 bit sim, two with a segfault in settings.c but the others with segfaults in libc.so and something to do with pthreads...
18:43:57	*	n1s is no god at debugging...
18:44:06	n1s	no good either
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20:11:53	Doomed_	is the rockbox site down?
20:12:35	PaulJam_	see topic
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20:13:07	mpeccorini	Doomed: it appears so
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20:17:16	BigBambi	Is the site back up yet? I ask as I'm behind a stupid proxy, and I think it may have not updated the IP yet. If it is up, can someone throw me the IP so I can do it manually?
20:18:32	Doomed_	oh nvm then =D
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20:29:25	chrisjs169	forums and download server are up
20:30:31	drofdarb	word
20:30:43	chrisjs169	...word?
20:31:05	drofdarb	just doing some maintenance?
20:31:33	chrisjs169	Look at the topic
20:31:35	chrisjs169	"The channel topic is "Planned downtime of www.rockbox.org: IP change "
20:31:40	drofdarb	hehe
20:31:42	drofdarb	=)
20:31:46	chrisjs169	lol
20:31:57	*	drofdarb has his head buryed in the first meal of the day ;)
20:32:25	*	drofdarb pulls his head out of his ass =P
20:32:43	chrisjs169	lol
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20:34:49	drofdarb	I'm really surprised that no one has risen to the challenge of competing against rockbox yet
20:35:43	petur	how
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20:36:21	petur	I think you underestimate the effort required to create and maintain rockbox
20:36:31	drofdarb	With all the other OSS projects competing against each other, I'm just surprised that there isn't another project with similar goals as rockbox.
20:36:43	drofdarb	petur: definitely don't underestimate the effort
20:36:56	drofdarb	Just took a course in digital systems and have begun to understand ;)
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20:37:16	drofdarb	But *nix stuff has to be someone similar (in concept that is)
20:37:26	petur	OSS is a lot easier if only software is involved, we're talking abour reverse engineering hardware here
20:37:56	drofdarb	petur: I know ;) I just said I took a course in digital systems (IE circuitry)
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20:39:48	drofdarb	Don't get me wrong, I'm not dissatisfied with rockbox in the least. I just think that having a couple other groups around might spread the area covered in terms of devices.
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20:42:04	drofdarb	<3
20:42:07	*	linuxstb is sorry to ask this (but he can't read the IRC logs) - what's the new IP address, and are the servers alive?
20:42:28	petur	not seen 'm yet
20:43:35	chrisjs169	if there is a new ip, we haven't seen it yet
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21:05:33	The-Compiler	And the site is dooown.... \|-)
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21:07:11	amiconn	Hmm, am I the only one who can access forums but not download?
21:07:38	amiconn	I want to adjust the topic to better reflect current status
21:08:07	DerPapst	afaik the www server is down.. how can you access the forums?
21:08:25	amiconn	forums.rockbox.org
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21:08:34	amiconn	It's a completely different server
21:08:39	DerPapst	ah
21:08:43	amiconn	...een on a different continent
21:08:48	amiconn	s/een/even/
21:09:04	DerPapst	heH :)
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21:11:05	Topic	"Planned downtime of www.rockbox.org: IP change \| Forums are reachable: http://forums.rockbox.org/" by amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn)
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21:11:54	DerPapst	maybe the stuff that is uploaded to the forums is hosted on the www server?
21:14:05	The-Compiler	www.rockbox-themes.org works, too
21:14:25	amiconn	That's not an official rockbox site
21:14:48	The-Compiler	But it works :P
21:16:48	The-Compiler	have anyone of you a clue, how long the downtowne takes?
21:17:42	DerPapst	5 more days
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21:25:59	drofdarb	Hm, well I was going to look up information regarding wps screen building. But perhaps you guys have an answer to my question. Is it at all possible to use different fonts between the wps screen and the menu screen?
21:26:54	TrueJournals	BLARGH... I can't get to rockbox.org :'(
21:27:03	drofdarb	Yes, we know
21:27:10	PaulJam	drofdarb: not with the official build
21:27:22	TrueJournals	Is it just still changing and everyone's having this problem?
21:27:47	TrueJournals	What's the new IP address?
21:28:23	chrisjs169	we don't know...
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21:30:28	TrueJournals	Does anyone remember what the old IP was?
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21:31:42	drofdarb	die
21:33:11	amiconn	I don't know the current state, but even when done, the IP change will take some time to propagate
21:33:39	TrueJournals	Yes, but I was going to edit my hosts file to point rockbox.org to the new ip
21:33:42	*	amiconn hopes the guys were clever enough to reduce the ttl of teh dns entry beforehand
21:34:41	TrueJournals	I can't even get to the forums right now...
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21:49:19	major_works	This has probably been asked, but is the Rockbox website down?
21:50:13	DerPapst	yup
21:50:22	TrueJournals	See the topic
21:50:41	major_works	Thanks. Any ETA for getting it online again?
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21:53:43	TrueJournals	hi
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21:58:26	major_works	Ha... I finally figured out "see the topic" from TrueJournals. I didn't think that was for me but now I get it. Just a little slow here. Thanks all.
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21:58:51	TrueJournals	;-)
21:59:27	Bagder	www2.rockbox.org might work sooner
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22:27:01	The-Compiler	Zagor: after the homepage isn't longer down?
22:27:07	The-Compiler	*after this
22:27:19	Bagder	it is already up
22:27:52	The-Compiler	I can't access it
22:28:01	Bagder	that's because you still have old DNS data
22:28:06	Bagder	try www2.rockbox.org
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22:28:49	The-Compiler	Bagder: doesn't work, either
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22:29:06	Bagder	then you have to wait
22:29:16	Bagder	since it isn't a problem with the server, it is DNS-related
22:29:53	Bagder	you can add "91.191.140.131 www.rockbox.org" in /etc/hosts ;-)
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22:30:35	RonJon	soo, rockbox is back? :)
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22:31:25	Topic	"www.rockbox.org is up, but the DNS propagates slowly \| Forums are reachable: http://forums.rockbox.org/" by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder)
22:31:58	petur	maybe put the IP there too?
22:32:16	Topic	"www.rockbox.org (91.191.140.131) is up, but the DNS propagates slowly \| Forums are reachable: http://forums.rockbox.org/" by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder)
22:32:21	drofdarb	hah, I flushed my dns cache and now I can't even find rockbox.org or 91.191.140.131
22:32:22	drofdarb	=P
22:32:25	drofdarb	wonderful
22:32:26	RonJon	:)
22:32:35	The-Compiler	oops, maybe i should edit the file as root :)
22:32:40	Zagor	apache is down for the upgrade. back up soon.
22:32:45	drofdarb	ah
22:32:47	drofdarb	okay
22:33:04	Zagor	now
22:33:10	The-Compiler	Haha, it works with the /etc/hosts
22:33:13	petur	"Inte någen server her inte." means?
22:33:30	Bagder	that you send the wrong Host: header ;-)
22:33:31	Zagor	it means you shouldn't type the ip address in your browser :)
22:33:48	petur	grrrr
22:33:51	Bagder	it means "there's no server here"
22:34:28	krazykit	is that dutch?
22:34:35	lazka	why is there no "virtual server" for no subdomain?
22:34:38	Bagder	lemme check if I can poke on it to make rockbox the default
22:34:46	Bagder	lazka: ?
22:34:52	Zagor	www2 should work for everyone
22:34:57	drofdarb	no
22:35:08	Zagor	wasn't that set up several days ago?
22:35:20	Bagder	yes, but the problem is that rockbox.org is still regged with one bad NS
22:35:29	Bagder	I think
22:35:37	Bagder	one good, one bad
22:35:40	The-Compiler	Zagor: www2 doesn't work for me, only the thingy in the /etc/hosts
22:35:52	drofdarb	questions: is apache still down or is it up now?
22:36:02	Zagor	up
22:36:05	drofdarb	fux
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22:36:46	Zagor	the page looks funny because stylesheets and icons are loaded from www
22:36:59	Bagder	ah, right
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22:37:23	Bagder	mine are cached
22:37:36	Zagor	luxury!
22:37:52	The-Compiler	But http://build.rockbox.org/ doesn't work at all
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22:38:24	Bagder	yes it does
22:38:37	Zagor	The-Compiler: then you have strange problems. build hasn't moved.
22:39:09	Zagor	it too looks funny due to missing stylesheets, but it is there
22:39:14	pixelma	build works slowly here and it's missing some css
22:39:16	The-Compiler	Zagor: The rest of the site works with a entry in the /etc/hosts
22:40:07	The-Compiler	If I remove that entry, then nothing works
22:40:35	Zagor	the dns will take a while to propagate. that is normal.
22:40:40	The-Compiler	ok
22:40:46	drofdarb	what was the ip of the new site?
22:40:55	Zagor	91.191.140.131
22:40:58	drofdarb	thanks
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22:41:38	drofdarb	Meh, now it works
22:42:32	The-Compiler	for me it doesn't work :(
22:42:47	RonJon	same The-Compiler
22:43:09	drofdarb	Have the manuals been moved?
22:43:22	Bagder	no
22:43:56	RonJon	if i have the rbutil.exe file, how would I get it to download the needed stuff from the new ip etc
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22:44:26	Bagder	you probably wait until things settle a bit
22:44:41	RonJon	ahh i see
22:44:41	RonJon	thx
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22:47:22	drofdarb	Anyone with access to the manuals mind sending me a copy?
22:48:43	drofdarb	nevermind. found access to the manual through the wiki
22:50:19	The-Compiler	Now www.rockbox.org works without the entry in the hosts-file for me, but build.rockbox.org doesn't work
22:50:36	Bagder	really, just wait
22:50:41	Bagder	there's no need to tell us this
22:50:53	The-Compiler	ok
22:51:36	The-Compiler	Hmm... I go to bed. Without the newest rb-Build \|-)
22:51:42	The-Compiler	:)
22:52:08	petur	any news from devconwest?
22:52:32	Bagder	I expect them to start at around midnight CEST
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22:52:55	Bagder	we're +9 from them
22:53:08	Bagder	hours I mean
22:54:45	*	petur wonders what else
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23:03:55	obo	has the IP of the master build server changed?
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23:04:04	Zagor	no
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23:04:22	pulsar_	hi there!
23:04:33	RonJon	hi der
23:05:21	pulsar_	great, the topic just answered all my questions :)
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23:06:04	jurrie	Bagder: where did you order the mugs? Any way to order some?
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23:07:05	Bagder	they're made by a swedish company
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23:07:19	Bagder	and I may have a few leftovers to get rid of later on
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23:07:44	Bagder	I haven't gotten to that yet
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23:08:43	jurrie	OK..... they look nice... I wonder if cafepres has any mugs like that
23:09:25	petur	they are nice
23:11:12	jurrie	looks like cafepress only offers white mugs... the 'box mug color is much nicer
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23:11:47	Bagder	dedicated manufacturers of these things do better stuff in general than cafepress
23:14:27	jurrie	I'll have to take a shot of a mug put it on my Sansa and ask a local place "can you make any like these?"
23:15:16	Bagder	hehe
23:15:33	jurrie	now on to Rockbox stuff: is Mac OS X a viable dev't platform for Rockbox or do the crosscompiler, simulator and other tools do much better on Linux, BSD or *dows?
23:16:27	Bagder	I think those things work as well on OS X but I don't know
23:17:23	jurrie	OK... just wondering if you knew if anyone else was using that platform. I'll have to give it a shot.
23:18:59	pulsar_	since the website has some serious performance issues, can anybody help me out with fonts? i am usig rockbox on an iriver ihp120, i presume i can download some contributed fonts? Or were alternative fonts dropped some time ago?
23:20:09	Bagder	http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts.zip
23:20:25	pulsar_	thanks!
23:22:55	linuxstb	jurrie: I don't know about the sim, but Mac OS X works as well as Linux for me for compiking Rockbox.
23:23:41	jurrie	cool... good to know.
23:23:42	*	petur wonders why firefox needs 50% cpu trying to find the rockbox site :/
23:24:04	jurrie	it's trying extra hard
23:24:12	petur	and failing
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23:32:18	Bagder	http://91.191.140.131/ works too now
23:32:57	petur	indeed
23:33:31	petur	better update that frontpage ;)
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23:37:12	gantrixx	I think so
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23:45:57	lostlogic	DNS propogation or registrar/whois propogation that's the problem?
23:46:09	krazykit	yup
23:46:13	krazykit	the former
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23:47:12	lostlogic	sounds fishy, because I have my own DNS server and I just flushed it and still no go.
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23:51:03	Llorean	Hi guys, this is DevConW. There's been a small confusion with our rooms, but it looks like things are getting sorted very soon. Just wanted to let people know we're not in them yet.
23:51:37	amiconn	Bagder: was it impossible to lower dns ttl beforehand? Would have made change propagation much faster...
23:52:16	ze	Q5: Is Guitar Pro available for Mac Os or Linux? Haut de page
23:52:16	ze	YES, there is a MAC version. In fact, at the time of the purchase of Guitar Pro 5, you buy at the same time the Windows version and the MAC one.
23:52:18	lostlogic	Llorean: I'll be there in uhh 6 hours :-P
23:52:20	ze	err wrong win
23:52:40	Llorean	lostlogic: We just mainly wanted to make sure Bagder knew we hadn't forgotten he was waiting up.
23:53:20	DerPapst	ze: but still interesting to know :P
23:53:21	Zagor	amiconn: it was lowered beforehand
23:53:33	amiconn	AH okay
23:53:36	ze	DerPapst: no linux ver though
23:53:37	ze	:p
23:53:54	amiconn	So it shouldn't take the whole day to propagate...
23:54:12	lostlogic	I'm tellin' ya, it's a whois problem, the root server doesn't know where to find ns1.rockbox.org or some such.
23:54:15	obo	have the nameservers disappeared?
23:54:35	DerPapst	ze: would have wondered if there was ;)
23:54:50	amiconn	Bagder: Btw, as devcon-west is GMT-8, it's CEST-10, not -9
23:55:18	obo	it's BST -8 I think?
23:55:28	Llorean	It's 2:55 PM here, work it out as you will. :-P
23:55:48	lostlogic	I think that's GMT-7
23:56:45	*	DerPapst is GMT+2
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23:57:24	petur	so CEST-9 it is
23:57:28	amiconn	ok
23:57:36	saratoga2	whats the actual ip for the forums?
23:57:41	*	amiconn wonders where he read that it's GMT-8
23:57:54	lostlogic	it is in winter
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