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| 00:00:10 | * | amiconn expected this to be the current offset |
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| 00:02:57 | Llorean | actually, i might have mistakenly put GMT-8 on the page itself...i will fix it later (scorche) |
| 00:03:22 | Llorean | aye...sorry about that...i have been a bit frazzled atm ;) |
| 00:03:42 | pixelma | split personalities? |
| 00:04:01 | petur | I've always known it :p |
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| 00:04:21 | petur | s/I've/we've |
| 00:05:23 | amiconn | Hmm, build.rockbox.org still doesn't werk... |
| 00:06:40 | amiconn | Neither does download |
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| 00:07:02 | pixelma | both are working for me but crawling |
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| 00:10:37 | petur | build.rockbox.org is ok here (downloads at 1MBps), www still only by IP |
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| 00:25:05 | chrisjs169 | rockbox is up? |
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| 00:26:58 | petur | www working here now :) |
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| 00:29:21 | Zagor | congratulations :) |
| 00:29:49 | Zagor | chrisjs169: yes, you just have to wait for your dns server to get the new ip |
| 00:30:14 | chrisjs169 | Zagor: i'd rather modify my hosts file than wait :P |
| 00:30:43 | Zagor | chrisjs169: you can browse there using the ip directly too |
| 00:31:06 | amiconn | Zagor: No you can't, at least no everything |
| 00:31:28 | petur | many links explicitly point to the domain |
| 00:31:33 | Zagor | true |
| 00:31:34 | amiconn | Try to go to the wiki when www.rockbox.org doesn't resolve... |
| 00:31:34 | chrisjs169 | yeah |
| 00:32:18 | chrisjs169 | http:/91.191.140.131/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome |
| 00:32:30 | chrisjs169 | whoops, extra slash before the ip |
| 00:32:57 | chrisjs169 | it works, but needs to be done manually |
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| 00:36:13 | saratoga2 | ah forums started working for me |
| 00:36:41 | DerPapst | forums should have been working all the time afaik |
| 00:37:21 | petur | they were... |
| 00:38:28 | saratoga2 | not for me |
| 00:39:37 | Zagor | if your nearest dns didn't have the ip cached, it didn't work. the primary nameserver changed ip too. |
| 00:40:23 | RonJon | hi, i just clicked database and scanned then rebooted and now my ipod wont turn back on. |
| 00:40:25 | RonJon | what can i do? |
| 00:40:25 | RonJon | thx |
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| 00:46:14 | RonJon | nevermind, fixed |
| 00:46:17 | RonJon | i shat bricks |
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| 00:46:19 | RonJon | lol |
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| 00:47:00 | SliMM | is sansa e260 supported by rockbox? |
| 00:48:04 | jurrie | yes |
| 00:49:00 | SliMM | great :) |
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| 01:02:58 | petur | Llorean: in the room? |
| 01:04:16 | Llorean | Not yet... |
| 01:04:38 | Llorean | I don't know where all the complications are any more, but it's just taking much longer than expected. |
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| 01:17:09 | jurrie | did somebody gamble away access to the room? |
| 01:18:23 | petur | no, they failed to see the 'K' behind the price :p |
| 01:18:38 | DerPapst | haha |
| 01:18:52 | Llorean | Let's just chalk it up as "communication errors" |
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| 01:20:01 | * | petur sees a flashing led on his memstick but still no usb transfer :/ |
| 01:20:15 | Llorean | So, getting better? |
| 01:20:38 | petur | not quit, the portstatus is still reporting an error |
| 01:21:27 | petur | but I found out the power was being cut, but that doesn't seem to be the only problem |
| 01:27:29 | Quelsaruk | night |
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| 01:28:20 | Llorea1 | Alright, we're in the room |
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| 01:29:11 | Llorean | We are in the room |
| 01:29:17 | Llorean | Sans baggage. |
| 01:29:27 | Llorean | So, things are at least improving. |
| 01:30:47 | thegeek | :) |
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| 02:00:54 | petur | anybody knows what button code 0xD8000000 means? |
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| 02:03:52 | combrains | hi all - managed to get to the site using the ip address in the topic (cheers for that) but before I reboot into linux if figured I'd better ask if the SVN server is still reachable? |
| 02:04:09 | petur | it has always been |
| 02:04:26 | combrains | sweet - thats all I needed cheers |
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| 02:06:29 | petur | anybody with knowledge of button and actioncode around? |
| 02:09:39 | Llorean | I don't need to go directly by the IP any more |
| 02:09:54 | petur | same here |
| 02:10:45 | petur | how's devconwest progressing? |
| 02:12:20 | Llorean | We finally have our luggage in the room |
| 02:12:21 | Llorean | Just now |
| 02:12:46 | petur | you weren't allowed to carry it yourself in there? |
| 02:13:01 | Llorean | Well |
| 02:13:08 | Llorean | We "knew" what room we had in advance. |
| 02:13:19 | Llorean | So we asked them to take most of the stuff up for us while we checked in |
| 02:13:29 | Llorean | Then everything fell apart, and our baggage was put aside *somewhere* |
| 02:13:43 | Llorean | And so once we got to the room it took them some time to track it down and bring it here |
| 02:14:17 | petur | fine hotel you got there ;) |
| 02:15:03 | Llorean | It was partially due to miscommunications in advance. |
| 02:15:10 | * | petur summons somebody with buttoncode knowledge |
| 02:15:12 | Llorean | Now that things are settles it'll be alright I think. |
| 02:18:52 | XavierGr | has devcon-west started already? |
| 02:19:39 | petur | in case a button/action code guru reads the log: I'm seeing action code 0xD8000000 right after a usb disconnect. This causes the ROLO yes/no screen to be exited with abort, effectively breaking auto-rolo support. |
| 02:20:40 | petur | Llorean: any chance of a webcam image any time soon? |
| 02:21:37 | Llorean | petur: I don't think it'll be up until tomorrow now. |
| 02:22:07 | petur | bedtime then... |
| 02:22:12 | pixelma | petur: you weren't around that early but that took a while in Stockholm too |
| 02:22:40 | XavierGr | damn I still have to type manually the ip for the rockbox site :( |
| 02:22:42 | petur | we'll see tomorrow :) |
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| 02:22:59 | Llorean | Well, we depend on Bagder. |
| 02:23:05 | Llorean | Or somethig. |
| 02:23:08 | Llorean | +n |
| 02:23:11 | Llorean | I don't know the whole story |
| 02:23:14 | Llorean | Everyone's still booting up |
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| 02:27:40 | scorche | g'day folks! |
| 02:27:55 | markun | hi scorche |
| 02:28:04 | markun | toffe82: so, you couldn't make it in the end? |
| 02:28:11 | scorche | markun: he is here =) |
| 02:28:18 | toffe82 | hello |
| 02:28:30 | markun | great! |
| 02:28:37 | toffe82 | I leave without saying anything ;) |
| 02:28:41 | markun | with all of your Gigabeats? |
| 02:28:45 | toffe82 | yes |
| 02:29:20 | markun | I emailed today with a guy who made a converter to put a 40-pin ZIF drive in his iriver H340 |
| 02:29:33 | toffe82 | nice |
| 02:29:52 | markun | he was honoured to receive a mail from a rockbox dev because he loves our project so much :) |
| 02:30:34 | scorche | just as a status update, we are a little behind, so i am still getting everythign set up |
| 02:30:39 | markun | toffe82: check out the PDF here: http://www.stolltech.ch/i_projekte.html |
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| 02:35:55 | homielowe | Did rockbox.org die? |
| 02:36:27 | scorche | see topic |
| 02:37:02 | gantrixx | who here has rockbox running on an ipod? |
| 02:37:06 | markun | Llorean: do you think that long-play on the gigabeat remote should also stop playback in the tree browser/menu? |
| 02:37:22 | homielowe | scorche: woops |
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| 02:39:33 | Llorean | markun: I would like it to. |
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| 02:40:27 | lymeca | Will Rockbox on a colour 4th Gen iPod display albuma rt? |
| 02:41:02 | gantrixx | is there a tutorial on how to make .wps themes? |
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| 02:41:32 | markun | Llorean: I'll make it so :) |
| 02:41:56 | markun | should we do anything special with a long press on the 'speaker' button? |
| 02:41:58 | krazykit | lymeca, yes, if you're using a build and theme supporting album art |
| 02:42:05 | markun | any press brings you to the menu now |
| 02:42:18 | gantrixx | hello? |
| 02:42:36 | krazykit | gantrixx, have some patience |
| 02:42:42 | krazykit | gantrixx, check out http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
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| 02:46:01 | krazykit | gantrixx, you can also look at the built-in themes to get a feel for how stuff is done |
| 02:46:20 | gantrixx | so the themes only apply to the "now playing" screen? |
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| 02:46:27 | gantrixx | you can't customize the menus? |
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| 02:47:23 | Mouser_X | gantrixx: You can customize the menus a little. Change the color, and the background, and the icons. |
| 02:47:33 | Mouser_X | And the font. |
| 02:49:03 | gantrixx | I can have a background pic? |
| 02:49:16 | krazykit | yup |
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| 03:01:26 | gantrixx | where do you set the backdrop and icons? |
| 03:01:32 | gantrixx | All I see is show icons |
| 03:01:36 | gantrixx | and clear backdrop |
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| 03:11:14 | gantrixx | what about with the ipod, can you change more than just the "now playing" screen? |
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| 03:11:54 | Mouser_X | Rockbox is pretty much the same across all targets. |
| 03:12:06 | krazykit | the now playing thing is the main thing you customize. anything in the menus is backdrop, icons, font, and text color |
| 03:12:17 | gantrixx | is there any manufacturer that ships their product with rockbox? |
| 03:12:24 | Mouser_X | No. |
| 03:12:52 | safetydan | gantrixx: you might find the manual a useful thing to read |
| 03:13:10 | gantrixx | the manuals seem to tell you how to install it |
| 03:13:13 | gantrixx | and that is about it |
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| 03:14:57 | safetydan | gantrixx: there's a whole section on changing the background? |
| 03:15:05 | safetydan | For example, for iPod Video, http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch9.html#x12-2120009.1.5 |
| 03:15:36 | RoC_MM | Is there still a frequency bug in 4G Greyscale iPods? I haven't used my iPod recently but I'll update from a 2/2006 nightly if it's fixed. |
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| 03:18:26 | gantrixx | I'm reading 10.1.5 right now and I don't see any selection in the file browser that says SET AS BACKDROP |
| 03:18:40 | Llorean | RoC_MM: Yes |
| 03:18:47 | gantrixx | I copied it directly into /.rockbox/backdrops |
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| 03:19:38 | gantrixx | I don't even see how you would browse to the .rockbox/backdrops directory |
| 03:19:43 | gantrixx | oh well, I have to go now |
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| 03:34:58 | chrisjs169 | Bug... |
| 03:35:21 | chrisjs169 | The SMTP connection is not alive and cannot be read from. |
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| 03:37:28 | safetydan | gantrixx: I think you need to turn on "Show all files" and then the .rockbox directory will show up in the files view. |
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| 05:36:28 | Insectoid | Ah I was going to ask if my dns servers were hosed. Thanks for the topic. |
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| 06:02:42 | linuxstb_ | scorche: I was just wondering where devcon were... |
| 06:03:12 | scorche | linuxstb_: i left my box disconnected because we went out to get food, and people were hungry |
| 06:03:30 | scorche | i just have a few things left to do, and then i will start editing the page |
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| 06:05:23 | Presence | Welcome to Vegas, devcon guys! |
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| 06:06:14 | homielowe | don't get TOO distracted with the gambling etc. |
| 06:06:43 | Presence | lotsa good shows and eats to distract before the gambling. |
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| 06:08:32 | Presence | I'm hoping I can cruise by tomorrow and say hi. |
| 06:09:39 | scorche | we are busy removing the TV so we can get access to the DVI port behind =P |
| 06:10:00 | Presence | haha |
| 06:10:13 | Presence | I'd come visit now, but I run shows over at the Venetian. |
| 06:10:54 | scorche | you want to come tomorrow? |
| 06:11:05 | Presence | I'd love to, only to drop off food, drinks, and say "Thanks!" |
| 06:11:28 | Presence | I'm so embarassed I didn't even know this was going on till last night! |
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| 06:14:04 | scorche | well, would you like my number in case? |
| 06:14:24 | Presence | please! |
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| 06:14:48 | Presence | Is it in one of the new condo towers? like, you own one? |
| 06:14:55 | scorche | heh...i wish |
| 06:15:03 | Presence | Thats why I was confused, okay. : |
| 06:15:08 | Presence | yer not local? |
| 06:16:24 | Presence | if not local, is there any hardware or soft goods ya'll could use? extra tables, speakers, monitors, or projector? |
| 06:16:27 | scorche | no...i have lived here in the past (in spanish trails), but not currently |
| 06:16:38 | Presence | plates, cups, coolers? |
| 06:16:43 | scorche | not really...we got most everything covered |
| 06:17:23 | Presence | scorche, whats not covered? Even if I can't code or hang out with you guys, I'm happy to drop off shizzy, even if it means a run for ya'll to Costco or sumthing. :) |
| 06:17:47 | scorche | pretty much everything is...cant think of anything off-hand that isnt...we just went shopping =) |
| 06:17:50 | Presence | if you need anything, IRC here or my cell: 877-463-1337 |
| 06:17:56 | Presence | oh, well, sweet! |
| 06:18:12 | krazykit | your cell phone number is now on the internet |
| 06:18:14 | Presence | otherwise, I'd love to drop by tomrorow and give a thanks. |
| 06:18:21 | scorche | if you really want to, snacks are always welcome, but not necessary at all =P |
| 06:18:23 | Presence | its been on the internets for years. 877-Im-31337 |
| 06:18:37 | krazykit | that's silly |
| 06:18:49 | krazykit | in fact |
| 06:19:00 | krazykit | i bet you have business cards with that on there :P |
| 06:19:23 | Presence | yeah. "Presence\nHacker\n877-I'm-31337" |
| 06:20:04 | Presence | and the little Venetian "Vinnie" logo. :) |
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| 06:38:46 | Insectoid | I'm trying to checkout a clean copy of current revision to ~/rockbox, a directory which didn't exist before my checkout. During the checkout Subversion returned: svn: Can't move '.svn/tmp/unifont.bdf.tmp.tmp' to '.svn/tmp/unifont.bdf.tmp': Device or resource busy −− I have tried this three times, deleting the directory and trying again each time. |
| 06:47:14 | Insectoid | Has anyone any ideas? This is making me rather sad as I go off to college tomorrow and would rather like to have an updated iPOD. |
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| 06:49:33 | Topic | "DevConWest is here! http://www.rockbox.org/devconwest2007/" by scorche (n=_@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
| 06:49:58 | Mode | "#rockbox -oo scorche Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
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| 06:52:38 | Trix | is there a mirror for http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/ ? |
| 06:52:59 | Insectoid | You could try the internet archive |
| 06:53:10 | Trix | That site is giving me a 404 when I try to get the 5.5 firmware 25.1.2.1 |
| 06:53:23 | Trix | Hm i'll try that real quick |
| 06:53:32 | linuxstb | Trix: I'm not aware of a mirror. You could ask fxb in #ipodlinux - it's his page. |
| 06:54:32 | linuxstb | Trix: Just view the source of the page - you'll see the URLs of the .ipsw files there, and they work fine. |
| 06:54:59 | linuxstb | e.g. the 5.5g is here - http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.info.apple.com/iPod/SBML/osx/bundles/061-2790.20061206.iPr9t/iPod_25.1.2.1.ipsw |
| 06:55:34 | Insectoid | linuxstb: Did you get my subversion question? I apologize if so. |
| 06:55:54 | linuxstb | Insectoid: I saw it, but don't know the answer... |
| 06:56:01 | Trix | linuxstb, thanks a lot, thought of something I woudln't have ;) |
| 06:56:10 | Trix | Now hopefully this bricked ipod comes back to life |
| 06:56:12 | Insectoid | linuxstb: You can do a checkout I take it? |
| 06:56:24 | Insectoid | Trix: Have you tried itunes restore? |
| 06:56:37 | Trix | I have, the problem is Windows doesn't see the Ipod |
| 06:56:41 | linuxstb | I've done an update this morning. It doesn't sound like a server problem though. |
| 06:57:12 | linuxstb | Trix: It doesn't even appear as a drive letter? |
| 06:57:31 | Trix | Not that I see, no. |
| 06:57:34 | Insectoid | Maybe silly question but did you make sure stuff like portable storage service was started? Mine dies strangely sometimes and iPod/flash disks/whatever don't show up. |
| 06:58:23 | Trix | I was going to try this method of restoration http://forums.ilounge.com/showthread.php?s=2fd6c696b3b1d492f1096f35f55d65b5&threadid=93059&highlight=fdisk |
| 06:58:38 | Trix | Hm portable storage is started, checked in services.msc |
| 06:58:52 | Trix | well all the services like Plug n play and stuff i went through |
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| 07:00:30 | Insectoid | Does windows see new hardware and just not classify the iPod as a drive? Or just no response when you plug it in? |
| 07:01:18 | Mouser_X | Trix: Have you tried rebooting? |
| 07:01:47 | Mouser_X | My Gigabeat won't show up on my computer. Rebooting would fix that, but I'm trying to go for a record uptime right now... |
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| 07:02:36 | Trix | No response when I plug it in |
| 07:02:43 | Trix | I have tried rebooting ;) |
| 07:02:58 | Mouser_X | Just making sure. It doesn't hurt to ask. |
| 07:03:00 | Insectoid | It does go into disk mode? Do you have another iPod there so you can check your cable? |
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| 07:04:57 | Trix | Well, it keeps going into a cylce of rebooting |
| 07:05:01 | Trix | i hear it click |
| 07:05:11 | Trix | and i see the apple logo, but the weird thing is, there is no backlight |
| 07:05:23 | Trix | and i also see a pleast wait battery very low thing |
| 07:05:36 | Mouser_X | Oddly enough, I think this has happened before... |
| 07:05:44 | Insectoid | Boot it, hold select+play. |
| 07:05:52 | Insectoid | while it's booting |
| 07:05:54 | Mouser_X | It might have been related to a bad battery... |
| 07:06:16 | Mouser_X | (It was in Jan. or Feb., and I don't remeber it well.) |
| 07:06:22 | Mouser_X | *remember |
| 07:07:35 | Trix | hmm holding play it still just continues its cycle of rebooting |
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| 07:09:22 | Insectoid | not just play, select also? |
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| 07:10:36 | Trix | ? |
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| 07:13:25 | Insectoid | you have to hold down select along with play to force disk mode, not just play, Trix. |
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| 07:13:45 | Insectoid | Bloody subversion's gone mad |
| 07:13:50 | Trix | ok |
| 07:14:12 | Trix | insectoid, OMG IT WORKED |
| 07:14:12 | Trix | lol |
| 07:14:19 | Trix | it is like the first thing i've seen in a while |
| 07:14:27 | Insectoid | Plug it in, let it charge. |
| 07:14:32 | Trix | it is in disk mode now |
| 07:14:53 | Trix | now i kinda want to put rockbox on it |
| 07:15:05 | Trix | but after this ipod being kinda weird i dunno if i want to try |
| 07:15:47 | Insectoid | Trix: I would, to substitute for the itunes database, you might think about sorting your music with musicbrainz (musicbrainz.org) that way the rockbox browser has good id3 tags to work with. |
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| 07:16:58 | webguest12 | i just installed rockbox and cant make it play my music files, they dont show up in the file browser, and the database thing just says "building database....3040 found.(off to return)" |
| 07:17:00 | * | tedrock checks out musicbrainz.org |
| 07:17:05 | Trix | rockbox does work with the 5.5G ipod right |
| 07:17:10 | alienbiker99 | yes |
| 07:17:21 | webguest12 | oh, mine is a gigabeat f40 |
| 07:17:33 | webguest12 | someone know why? |
| 07:17:38 | tedrock | Trix: i'm running it on a 5.5g |
| 07:17:45 | Mouser_X | Gigabeat F40 = awesome. |
| 07:18:01 | Mouser_X | (That's what I have.) |
| 07:18:15 | webguest12 | yeah but cant create playlists on the go, which is why i wanna use rockbox. just cant figure this problem out |
| 07:18:22 | krazykit | webguest12, where did you put these files? |
| 07:18:24 | Trix | well now i gotta get the ipod sorta working again it works in disc mode but nothing else |
| 07:18:38 | webguest12 | everything else works, EXCEPT the music. |
| 07:18:43 | Insectoid | Trix: Install rockbox on it. |
| 07:19:02 | Trix | can it install with just disk mode |
| 07:19:05 | webguest12 | what files krazy? |
| 07:19:10 | Insectoid | Yes |
| 07:19:17 | krazykit | webguest12, uh, your music files? |
| 07:19:46 | webguest12 | where ever they go by default when transferred from gigabeat room |
| 07:19:46 | krazykit | like, gigabeat/music, or something else? |
| 07:19:54 | krazykit | ah, there's your problem |
| 07:19:58 | tedrock | Trix: you might wanna restore the ipod first. the OF might be fucked. also the battery thing means you have a deplated battery and it's probably been frozen all this time so it hasn't charged |
| 07:20:03 | webguest12 | folder is called root/aural agony |
| 07:20:08 | tedrock | i did ipod support for apple for a year :P |
| 07:20:17 | tedrock | most issues were resolved by reset, restore, replace |
| 07:20:21 | krazykit | webguest12, those files are now encrypted. rockbox can't play them. see the manual for how to decrypt them for rockbox |
| 07:20:30 | webguest12 | ahuh |
| 07:20:33 | webguest12 | was wondering about that |
| 07:20:38 | Trix | alright |
| 07:20:41 | krazykit | webguest12, look for the "removing sat encryption" part of the manual, or whatever it is |
| 07:20:50 | webguest12 | when set to display all files, they show up with a different extension |
| 07:20:55 | Trix | i download rockbox for the 30Gig ipod video? |
| 07:21:00 | webguest12 | thanks :) |
| 07:21:12 | tedrock | Trix: i just use the utility now. it does all the work for me |
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| 07:22:38 | Mouser_X | tedrock: I'm sure this is a stupid question, but I haven't found a link for rbutil... |
| 07:22:38 | Trix | alright ill go grab 'the utility' |
| 07:23:04 | Mouser_X | (Though, I haven't read the iPod installation either. It could be in there for all I know.) |
| 07:25:57 | Trix | call me stupid, but where is this installer lol |
| 07:26:04 | Trix | i'm looking at http://build.rockbox.org/ |
| 07:26:23 | tedrock | Mouser_X: one sec |
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| 07:28:13 | linuxstb | http://www.google.com/search?q=rbutil |
| 07:28:47 | tedrock | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility |
| 07:29:52 | Mouser_X | Thanks. |
| 07:30:08 | tedrock | Trix: you'll probably want that too |
| 07:30:29 | tedrock | Trix: make sure you install the boot loader first. since you haven't yet. the utility has a button for that |
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| 07:33:43 | Mouser_X | Huh. Funny thing. I've been using the "Pixel" WPS since I installed Rockbox months ago... I just haven't found anything else I like quite as much. |
| 07:34:37 | Trix | alright thanks! |
| 07:36:02 | Trix | do I chose 5th gen, I do not see 5.5 |
| 07:36:33 | krazykit | it's the same, 5.5 is not an official gen |
| 07:36:57 | krazykit | ipod video is ipod video |
| 07:37:12 | Trix | alright |
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| 07:41:45 | tedrock | yah i use 5gen for mine when using hte utility |
| 07:42:19 | Rift | wow, people online at this time of night |
| 07:42:53 | Mouser_X | What? Why wouldn't I be? |
| 07:43:00 | Rift | anyone have time to talk to me about my ipod? |
| 07:43:02 | Mouser_X | So what if I have to get up in 3 hours? |
| 07:43:16 | Rift | hey five hours for me |
| 07:43:43 | Mouser_X | Rift: No one can answer your question if you don't ask it first. |
| 07:43:59 | Rift | okay well i will drop the question then |
| 07:44:17 | Mouser_X | (Unless they're telepathic. However, those people go to bed early. Psychic energies and all that...) |
| 07:44:19 | Rift | i'm really early in the install, running the ipodcatcher.exe |
| 07:44:51 | Rift | it says |
| 07:44:53 | Rift | [INFO] Scanning disk devices... |
| 07:44:53 | Rift | [ERR] No ipods found, aborting |
| 07:44:53 | Rift | [ERR] Please connect your ipod and ensure it is in disk mode |
| 07:44:53 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Rift |
| 07:44:53 | Rift | [ERR] Please refer to the Rockbox manual if you continue to have problems. |
| 07:44:54 | Rift | Press ENTER to exit ipodpatcher : |
| 07:45:12 | Mouser_X | Ipodpatcher maybe? You might want to try rbutil: |
| 07:45:13 | Mouser_X | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility |
| 07:45:33 | Rift | er yeah i mean patcher |
| 07:46:14 | Rift | k brb |
| 07:47:03 | Insectoid | Rift: Is your iPod in disk mode...? |
| 07:47:16 | Rift | it is in disk mode |
| 07:47:21 | Trix | Rbutil says unsupported Bootloader Install method |
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| 07:47:29 | Rift | rockbox util says a similar thing |
| 07:47:34 | Insectoid | And it is connected... and shows up in windows explorer? |
| 07:47:53 | Rift | yep |
| 07:48:12 | Rift | it says "disk mode (\) do not disconnect" on the ipod |
| 07:48:15 | Trix | unsupported bootloader install method a normal thing to say ? |
| 07:48:23 | Insectoid | What drive letter does it have? |
| 07:48:27 | Rift | f |
| 07:48:34 | Rift | and it is named ITARD |
| 07:48:39 | Insectoid | Run an itunes restore on it, then try again. That's rather odd. |
| 07:48:39 | Rift | i see it in my explorer |
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| 07:48:59 | * | Mouser_X has his Gigabeat show up as the "K" drive... |
| 07:49:09 | Mouser_X | (I've got a lot of storage here.) |
| 07:49:20 | krazykit | /media/GIGABEAT |
| 07:49:25 | Rift | my rockbox util is saying the same as trix |
| 07:49:33 | ninja | could someone help me with playlist problem? I select an album to play, and its all good, but when i select another one it gets rid of the previous album and plays only from the most recent selection |
| 07:49:33 | krazykit | silly windows, still using drive letters. |
| 07:49:48 | krazykit | ninja, do you want to append the new album? |
| 07:49:52 | ninja | I want to listen to multiple albums in shuffle mode, how can i do this? |
| 07:50:05 | Mouser_X | ninja: You need to add it using a context menu. |
| 07:50:10 | Mouser_X | It's in the manual. |
| 07:50:10 | Trix | hm, i wonder why |
| 07:50:19 | Trix | this util is supposed to be easy haha :P |
| 07:50:21 | ninja | under what heading? couldnt find it |
| 07:50:35 | Mouser_X | Specifically, you need to hold select for a little bit, and it should show up. |
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| 07:50:56 | ninja | will try that, thanks |
| 07:51:56 | safetydan | ninja: look in the manual under "Browsing and Playing" |
| 07:51:57 | Mouser_X | ninja: In the Gigabeat manual, it's section 3.1.5. |
| 07:52:07 | ninja | got it, thanks :) |
| 07:52:08 | Mouser_X | (Well, mentioned there, at least.) |
| 07:52:14 | ninja | appreciated |
| 07:52:22 | safetydan | there's a whole section on Working with Playlists |
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| 07:52:38 | Insectoid | As my subversion's borked and refuses to give me latest source, and as I need to generate a new voice file as I see the lang has changed, could someone send me latest english.lang, please? |
| 07:52:43 | Insectoid | via dcc |
| 07:55:47 | Rift | here is a thing |
| 07:56:01 | Rift | it's working now but it's not in dosk mode |
| 07:56:06 | Rift | sorry disk mode |
| 07:56:35 | Rift | is it possible that error is misworded and it means "enabled for disk use" |
| 07:56:41 | Trix | even with that error, it started up just fine |
| 07:56:48 | Trix | just gotta put some themes on and woo |
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| 07:58:05 | Hdaackda | hi, can anyone give me the link for installation instructions on an iPod video (5.5g) |
| 07:58:43 | Rift | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-build.html |
| 07:58:53 | safetydan | Insectoid: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/lang/english.lang |
| 07:59:26 | Insectoid | safetydan: Thanks −− thought of that. Got subversion working on another box though. |
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| 08:05:13 | Rift | well, i got it going, thanks for the advice |
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| 08:07:26 | Trix | well guys thanks for your help! i'm now playing doom on the ipd ;) |
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| 08:26:14 | Hdaackda | the album art etc patches, when will they be incorporated in the standard versions of rockbox? |
| 08:26:52 | Llorean | "etc"? |
| 08:27:00 | Llorean | We can't guess which ones you mean by that |
| 08:27:09 | Llorean | But album art will be incorporated just as soon as it's implemented in the right way |
| 08:27:38 | Hdaackda | ok. i meant the scrolling text |
| 08:27:53 | Hdaackda | album art, and all others mainly used for wps' |
| 08:28:53 | Llorean | Scroll margins probably won't be committed. They're really just a lesser case of Viewports, really |
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| 08:51:53 | daniel1234 | Hi I want to create a patch. I know I have to write it in c is that correct? |
| 08:52:12 | lostlogic | ah, another devconwesty |
| 08:52:18 | linuxstb | It depends which part of the code you want to patch, but about 99% is C, yes. |
| 08:52:57 | daniel1234 | what part isn't in c |
| 08:53:30 | linuxstb | The parts which are in assembler - either low-level hardware driver code, or optimisations |
| 08:54:06 | daniel1234 | since I don't know c where should I go to start learning c so I can develop patches |
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| 08:54:33 | linuxstb | Do you know any programming language? |
| 08:54:45 | TnadeN | webside down? |
| 08:54:49 | TnadeN | site** |
| 08:55:01 | TnadeN | or is it just me.. |
| 08:55:21 | linuxstb | It's working, but the DNS changed yesterday - meaning you may still have the old IP address cached for a while. |
| 08:55:24 | Insectoid | TnadeN: Check the topic, dns propagation, use the IP |
| 08:55:52 | linuxstb | Insectoid: The topic has changed... |
| 08:56:13 | daniel1234 | no only the jaws scripts but that is just for my screen reader. it uses variables and if statements so what should I go and learn? |
| 08:56:13 | Insectoid | Ah ... me paying attention again, sorry TnadeN. |
| 08:56:18 | TnadeN | :P |
| 08:56:48 | Insectoid | daniel1234: Learn c, jaws scripting is a horrible mismatch of things and pretents to be some flavor of basic with some c-ness. |
| 08:56:50 | linuxstb | daniel1234: Either buy a book on C, or look for a tutorial on the web. |
| 08:57:35 | daniel1234 | OK i am blind so I guess I only have one option but what should I be reading about I don't want to learn win32 programming do I |
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| 08:58:07 | TnadeN | humm |
| 08:58:35 | TnadeN | are you sure it isn't down... cause i can't even access it with IE7 right now... (haven't been there for ages) |
| 08:58:49 | TnadeN | (the website) |
| 08:58:52 | Insectoid | daniel1234: http://www.blindprogramming.com −− get a basic book on c, think they have teach yourself c in 21 days or something. Failing that, I'd really recommend The C Programming Language, it's by Kernighan and Ritchie, the guys who created . |
| 08:59:00 | linuxstb | daniel1234: C itself isn't related to any particular operating system - most general C books/tutorials will just talk about the language itself, not how to access operating system features. |
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| 09:00:08 | daniel1234 | the website seems to be down the rockbox one I just wnewent to rockbox.org and got the can not find server error |
| 09:00:09 | Insectoid | TnadeN: http://91.191.40.131 |
| 09:00:15 | ninja | how can i get rockbox on a gigabeat to display cover art? |
| 09:00:30 | Insectoid | daniel1234 http://91.191.40.131 |
| 09:00:58 | TnadeN | nope, not there |
| 09:01:01 | safetydan | ninja: at the moment album art requires a custom build |
| 09:01:06 | daniel1234 | How long on average does it take to learn c from scratch so I can start coding rockbox |
| 09:01:57 | linuxstb | daniel1234: I couldn't answer that - it depends how quickly you learn it... |
| 09:02:06 | ninja | where can i get it from? |
| 09:02:26 | daniel1234 | If I keep at it and do about 3 to 4 hourse a day how long would say |
| 09:02:41 | daniel1234 | hours i mean |
| 09:03:01 | TnadeN | Ignore the webpage problem, can someone give me the rockbox file that's supposed to be locaded on the ipod (not the .rockbox dir), bootthingy (second generation ipod) (yes i accedently delete it) |
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| 09:04:07 | scorche | TnadeN: http://download.rockbox.org/ |
| 09:04:12 | scorche | it is on a different server |
| 09:04:20 | TnadeN | ah |
| 09:04:21 | TnadeN | nice |
| 09:04:51 | Insectoid | Is the daily build there? http://91.191.140.131/daily.shtml |
| 09:04:52 | safetydan | Insectoid, TnadeN, it's actually 91.191.140.131 |
| 09:04:59 | Insectoid | oh |
| 09:05:07 | scorche | Insectoid: dont worry about the ip address |
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| 09:05:49 | Insectoid | daniel1234: e-mail q@randylaptop.com, I'll send you some tutorials that should work well with your screen reader. |
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| 09:07:05 | scorche | petur: we found blue and red versions of the chimay in a local grocery store here =P |
| 09:07:20 | petur | congrats! |
| 09:08:06 | * | petur goes for breakfast - bbl |
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| 09:08:44 | * | linuxstb likes that idea and follows petur |
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| 09:18:50 | Bagder | you devconers need anything from me? |
| 09:20:26 | Llorean | Can you arrange coffee and donuts? |
| 09:20:46 | * | Bagder makes the call |
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| 09:35:07 | linuxstb | petur: Welcome to my world... |
| 09:35:53 | petur | linuxstb: the funny thing is this has started since I told you I had none of those problems.... :( |
| 09:37:23 | Llorean | Bagder: Scorche is having connection issues. He'll be back shortly |
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| 09:39:06 | petur | Can anybody explain why I'm getting action code 0xD8000000 after a USB disconnect (on h300) ? I couldn't immediatly find what 0xD8000000 means anyway... |
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| 09:41:34 | petur | bbl - other stuff to do |
| 09:41:47 | linuxstb | Any FAT experts know what the "HiddenSectors" field in this Windows IOCTL means? http://msdn2.microsoft.com/En-US/library/aa365451.aspx |
| 09:42:37 | Lear | linuxstb: have you tried test_codec in the sim? If fails reading the test track here... |
| 09:43:24 | linuxstb | Lear: I haven't tried it recently, but it worked when I was developing it. |
| 09:44:06 | Lear | Strange thing is I only get -1 from the read call. get_metadata worked though... |
| 09:45:08 | linuxstb | How big is your test file? |
| 09:45:23 | Lear | 700 kB or something. |
| 09:45:27 | * | linuxstb compiles a sim |
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| 09:45:58 | Lear | No, less than that, 100 kB. The wav was more like 700. :) |
| 09:46:35 | linuxstb | Have you just tried one format? |
| 09:47:09 | Lear | Yes. |
| 09:47:39 | Lear | On the other hand, it is the read call at line 563 that fails... |
| 09:48:09 | Lear | Tried another format, same problem. |
| 09:49:23 | linuxstb | OK, I get the same problem... |
| 09:50:16 | linuxstb | Ah, I see "codec_stack_size" isn't initialised to anything in the sim... |
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| 09:51:49 | Lear | So what does that got to do with read? |
| 09:52:09 | linuxstb | Fix committed. |
| 09:53:01 | linuxstb | The codec_stack_size is subtracted from the audio buffer size to give the size of the main buffer for the file. So that buffer was possibly very small (or negative). |
| 09:54:01 | linuxstb | No, in fact audiobuf was probably just a very bad address |
| 09:54:46 | Lear | Oh, so an argument check in the OS barfed... |
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| 09:55:27 | linuxstb | I guess so. |
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| 09:56:38 | Lear | Works now, thanks. |
| 09:57:05 | linuxstb | Good. |
| 09:59:18 | Lear | Wav writing is useful. Helps me see where the gapless trim for AAC fails. |
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| 10:01:49 | linuxstb | I assume itunes and Nero's encoder write different gapless info? (I'm also assuming Nero writes it) |
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| 10:04:39 | Lear | Nero is supposed to, yes, but I don't know where. Doesn't seem to be the same as iTunes (assuming the Nero encodes I did do include gapless info...) |
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| 10:09:47 | linuxstb | Lear: OK, so you're just working on itunes gapless atm? |
| 10:10:02 | JdGordon | hey all |
| 10:10:30 | Lear | Yes. If I can find out Neros way of doing it, I might add it too. |
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| 10:12:51 | Lear | Looks like I've got it right now. :) (And a test sine sounds just right) |
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| 10:18:11 | hcs | live, from Las Vegas, it's Saturday Morning! |
| 10:18:54 | Bagder | yay, live IRC! ;-) |
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| 10:19:12 | * | pixelma cheers with coffee from a blue mug ;) |
| 10:19:42 | * | Bagder swings his mug as well |
| 10:20:46 | pixelma | Bagder: did you remove the html-download versions of the daily manuals on purpose (guess no-one used it)? |
| 10:20:57 | Bagder | I didn't... |
| 10:21:27 | pixelma | well they are missing on http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 10:21:46 | Llorean | Then the daily build on that failed? |
| 10:22:03 | * | Bagder checks |
| 10:22:16 | pixelma | wonder why the online version is available then |
| 10:22:31 | n1s | hmm, rockbox.org was reachable 5 minutes ago but times out now... |
| 10:23:37 | Bagder | hm yes |
| 10:23:41 | Bagder | no html-zips today |
| 10:24:04 | Bagder | pixelma: the online version is proably the one from yday |
| 10:24:19 | Bagder | I assume name resolving problems that'll go away soon |
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| 10:24:50 | pixelma | ahh, we'll see |
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| 10:26:41 | * | Lear still can't reach rockbox.org. :( |
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| 10:27:40 | JdGordon | did anyone have a look at the setting patch I put on the ml? does the lack of comments mean no one cares? |
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| 10:29:56 | markun | are there some devcon west photos online? |
| 10:30:46 | hcs | I've got... one, and photos from the walk over |
| 10:30:57 | markun | and is there a webcam? |
| 10:31:05 | hcs | there's a camera, don't know |
| 10:31:25 | hcs | anything scorche touches won't work |
| 10:31:29 | markun | :) |
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| 10:34:18 | amiconn | rrrrr |
| 10:34:50 | Bagder | rockbox.org had two NS regged, but one of them had died and the other changed IP so there'll be some glitches until the news are propagated all over |
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| 10:35:57 | scorche` | markun: hrm...let us upload the few that he have taken before our "photographer" (hcs) arrived |
| 10:36:10 | markun | that would be nice |
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| 10:36:31 | markun | then WE can spy on YOU for a change :) |
| 10:36:40 | Bagder | I'll have to take off now and go blurb for openbsd guys |
| 10:36:49 | markun | Bagder: good luck |
| 10:36:55 | markun | curl talk right? |
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| 10:37:10 | Bagder | yeah, with a more "how to do open source projects properly" angle |
| 10:37:21 | markun | perhaps you can mention rockbox :) |
| 10:37:28 | Bagder | I will |
| 10:37:50 | Bagder | I consider rockbox a good example of a fine open source project |
| 10:39:01 | markun | me too |
| 10:39:32 | Presence | anyone awake in the suite? |
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| 10:39:42 | markun | sometimes you read things about why open source doesn't work or that it's in the end only done by payed employees of companies |
| 10:39:58 | markun | and then you look at rockbox and you see that's not the case at all |
| 10:40:21 | scorche` | Presence: just toffe has gone to bed |
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| 10:40:44 | markun | scorche`: what did you guys do so far? |
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| 10:41:04 | scorche` | markun: i have the page relively current |
| 10:41:06 | Presence | yeah? hmm, passing by on way home, but bah |
| 10:41:12 | Presence | too tired right now. |
| 10:41:13 | scorche` | relatively ;) |
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| 10:42:00 | markun | scorche: sorry, I don't understand what you mean |
| 10:42:12 | markun | which page? |
| 10:42:13 | scorche | markun: the page up in the topic |
| 10:42:19 | markun | ah :) |
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| 10:43:38 | Presence | okay, yeah, i pass tonight. i'll drop by around 2 or 3 tomorrow. :) gleee! |
| 10:44:02 | scorche | no problem |
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| 10:45:06 | scorche | markun: just shrinking them down and they shall eb up |
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| 10:47:05 | * | GodEater_ wishes he could see the devconwest page |
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| 10:51:47 | pixelma | GodEater_: maybe try directly... http://scorche.cleansoap.org/rockbox/dcw.html (that's where I get redirected) |
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| 10:55:19 | GodEater_ | pixelma: thanks :) |
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| 11:01:25 | PaulJam | hi, JdGordon. I noticed some list weirdness when changing to a font with a different height. i guess it's quite easy reproduceable, just randomly change the font. |
| 11:01:59 | JdGordon | what sort of wierdness? |
| 11:04:07 | PaulJam | the scrollbar is wrong intil you scroll, and if you change to a bigger font the cursor can be off screen and if you change to a smaller font the list has blank space at the bottom (even if you are not at the end of the list). |
| 11:04:47 | JdGordon | ok |
| 11:05:14 | pixelma | that's been this way before (until first redraw) |
| 11:06:02 | tedrock | what musicbrainz tagger do you guys use? |
| 11:06:31 | tedrock | just not sure what one to t |
| 11:06:34 | tedrock | try |
| 11:06:40 | n1s | JdGordon: I noticed another list weirdness, when scrolling up in a list the view moves when the selector is two items from the top but when scrolling down the view moves when the selector is one item from the bottom. |
| 11:07:37 | JdGordon | yeah, I know about that one, but I dont know if the scrolling up code is correct or the scrolling down code is, so i;ve just left it :p |
| 11:08:16 | n1s | JdGordon: I like it with one item from the border... :-) |
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| 11:09:24 | JdGordon | na, a fwe off the border is better than 1 |
| 11:09:47 | n1s | JdGordon: also, your patch in the mailing list it seems to fix FS #7311 :-) |
| 11:10:13 | JdGordon | cool :) whats 7311? |
| 11:10:34 | n1s | JdGordon: nasty 64bit-sim only crashes... |
| 11:10:48 | JdGordon | hehe cool |
| 11:11:13 | n1s | which affected the clock plugin and the vu_meter plugin when I converted it to the new menu api, which is very nice btw :-) |
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| 11:13:25 | karo | helle |
| 11:13:28 | amiconn | n1s: There are also some 32bit-sim only crashes... check e.g. FS #7245 :( |
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| 11:14:37 | scorche | Pics are up |
| 11:14:49 | scorche | errr...hold |
| 11:14:55 | * | scorche smacks head |
| 11:15:04 | n1s | amiconn: yes, I know about those, very strange indeed... And even if I was remotely good at debugging I couldn't test it without getting some sort of VM set up... |
| 11:15:39 | scorche | there we go |
| 11:16:01 | n1s | amiconn: did you figure out a good way to fix the 64 bit crash in libmad btw? it would be very useful to be able to test voice stuff in the sim... |
| 11:16:05 | amiconn | VMs are often very useful |
| 11:16:44 | karo | di have a question |
| 11:16:53 | n1s | karo: ask |
| 11:16:54 | scorche | markun: enjoy ;) |
| 11:17:07 | markun | thanks! |
| 11:17:16 | karo | ii have a ipod 4g special u2 |
| 11:18:23 | karo | and i would like to know if i can install the rockbox firmware on it |
| 11:18:36 | markun | karo: you can't kill, but you can install |
| 11:18:49 | markun | eh, what did I say? |
| 11:18:59 | * | n1s wonders the same thing :-) |
| 11:19:02 | markun | yes, you can install rockbox on it :) |
| 11:19:03 | karo | what do you mean by i can't kill |
| 11:19:12 | markun | I don't know :) |
| 11:19:22 | bluebrother | scorche: how about a who's who picture? ;-) |
| 11:19:55 | scorche | bluebrother: we will take a group shot |
| 11:19:59 | scorche | errr...tomorrow |
| 11:20:05 | bluebrother | :) |
| 11:20:20 | amiconn | scorche: No webcam? |
| 11:20:22 | karo | ok so i will try thans |
| 11:20:42 | scorche | amiconn: not at the moment, no...anything i tough hasnt worked |
| 11:20:47 | scorche | s/tough touch |
| 11:20:50 | * | scorche sighs |
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| 11:21:55 | scorche | on the last pic going clockwise from the guy sitting at the table in the middle, Joely, me, lostlogic, llorean, toffe, soap |
| 11:22:20 | scorche | adam took the pic, so he is behind there ;) |
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| 11:28:17 | scorche | bedtime!...g'night folks |
| 11:28:35 | markun | nighty |
| 11:30:35 | n1s | Slasheri: have you seen FS #7316 ? it seems to have been triggered by the -Os build thingy I comitted but I don't know where to look... |
| 11:31:35 | Slasheri | hmm, haven't seen that yet.. |
| 11:32:32 | Slasheri | ah, it seems the eeprom driver fails with the -Os |
| 11:32:41 | Slasheri | so it doesnt write the setting data properly at shutdown |
| 11:33:00 | amiconn | Does the eeprom driver contain asm? |
| 11:33:32 | Slasheri | afaik nope |
| 11:33:55 | Slasheri | unless i2c is in asm now |
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| 11:34:46 | Slasheri | no it isn't |
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| 11:36:59 | Slasheri | maybe the code just has been gotten faster and the retry count needs to be increased.. i will be testing soon |
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| 11:43:25 | The-Compiler | are there any goals for the devcon west? Or only coding, coding, coding? |
| 11:45:58 | preglow | theres a list of stuff they intend to do on the wiki page |
| 11:48:00 | Lear | jdgordon: I noticed one list issue, perhaps related to the one n1s reported: Use a font that leaves room for an odd number of lines on the screen (and paged scrolling enabled). Now show a multi-line list (like the ID3 info list) and move down to select the partially visible entry. Note that scrolling does not happen. Move to the next item, which then gets displayed at the top of the screen. |
| 11:49:45 | The-Compiler | preglow: ahh, thanks, i've only looked at http://scorche.cleansoap.org/rockbox/dcw.html |
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| 13:05:20 | * | petur2 taps JdGordon on the shoulder |
| 13:05:24 | JdGordon | pixelma: what recording can you do on the irvers which you cant on the sansa? |
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| 13:05:30 | JdGordon | sup petur? |
| 13:05:47 | petur | Can you explain why I'm getting action code 0xD8000000 after a USB disconnect (on h300) ? I couldn't immediatly find what 0xD8000000 means anyway... |
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| 13:06:55 | JdGordon | on phone... |
| 13:07:00 | petur | np |
| 13:09:51 | pixelma | JdGordon: the sansa has 3 major problems I've heard of: it only records to 22,05kHz atm (jhMikeS said he might get some more out of it), no line-in yet (and afaik no-one knows yet if it's even possible) and background noise when backlight is on (said to be present in the of as well) |
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| 13:14:49 | pixelma | see jhMikeS post there now ;) |
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| 13:18:47 | JdGordon | 0xD8 isnt SYS_USB_DISCONNECTED is it? |
| 13:19:06 | JdGordon | pixelma: ah ok |
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| 13:23:43 | petur | JdGordon: where would that be defined? |
| 13:24:09 | petur | (I'm doing totally other stuff and just noticed you around) |
| 13:25:27 | JdGordon | kernel.h.. its SYS_USB_DISCONNECTED_ACK |
| 13:26:25 | petur | thanks, I'll have to filter for that one in the yesno screen as it causes it to abort |
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| 13:28:11 | JdGordon | actually... i could be wrong, its definatly a SYS_ event though |
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| 13:33:44 | petur | JdGorgon: it's SYS_CHARGER_DISCONNECTED, could that be? |
| 13:34:25 | * | petur hates the way those events are #defined - unreadable |
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| 13:34:44 | JdGordon | its one of them :p |
| 13:35:05 | petur | I mean, writing 11 << 27 is really very clear if you're hunting a hex value |
| 13:35:18 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 13:35:23 | petur | yours? |
| 13:35:26 | JdGordon | not mine |
| 13:35:52 | petur | lucky you, I had already grabbed an empty beerbottle ;) |
| 13:36:12 | JdGordon | svn blame says Bagder is to blame |
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| 13:43:30 | petur | JdGordon: bingo, that was the event :) |
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| 14:02:02 | disorganizer | i got a small question: would it make sense to have a bootloader on the sansa which does not boot into the OF when connected to usb, but stays in a kind of low-power mode for charging the battery? the idea would be: connected with power-button pressed=usb mode, connected without buttonpress=charge mode. |
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| 14:07:45 | JdGordon | disorganizer: I'm not sure if the sansa can chagre from usb in rockbox.. so no... |
| 14:08:58 | JdGordon | if it can though, then sure, but it would have to boot the OF as default as its the only way we have usb. |
| 14:12:31 | JdGordon | petur: wouldnt it make sense to ignore all SYS_ events except a usb connected in the yes/no screen? |
| 14:12:52 | petur | what about poweroff? |
| 14:13:01 | petur | that's why I didn't do it... |
| 14:15:23 | JdGordon | ok, but I mean, wouldnt it be better to explicitly case the ones we dont want to ignore instead of the ones we do? |
| 14:15:39 | petur | feel free to change ;) I'm busy now... |
| 14:16:57 | * | amiconn thinks those definitions (n << 27) are quite logical and readable... |
| 14:17:13 | disorganizer | @jdgordon: as far as i understood the charging in sansa-rockboxed doesnt make sense because of the huge power consumption. but if the bootloader could somehow boot into a "minimum power consumption" setup (not rockbox, not OF, but something which only allows charging), wouldnt this possibly help? |
| 14:24:27 | JdGordon | no, because we can still only trun off the parts of the chip which we know how to... but I thuoght rockbox only charged at 100mA so it was either ueless or too slow to work? |
| 14:27:23 | disorganizer | ah. so that was the problem. ok. thought it was the power consumption. but now as you mention it... |
| 14:27:50 | JdGordon | I'm not sure, dan_a or Barrywardell would know bettr |
| 14:28:40 | disorganizer | do you think it will be worth putting it into a feature-request? |
| 14:28:59 | JdGordon | not especially :p |
| 14:30:25 | disorganizer | ok. tnx anyways. g2g now, cul8r |
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| 15:14:58 | Lear | Ouch. Wanted to close a task. Got an error message beginning with "The SMTP connection is not alive". |
| 15:18:23 | * | JdGordon also |
| 15:18:31 | JdGordon | just refresh.. it shhuold be cose |
| 15:18:32 | JdGordon | d |
| 15:18:35 | JdGordon | closed |
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| 15:20:07 | * | JdGordon has an idea how to add proper alphabetical ordering into the lang files :) |
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| 15:31:50 | markun | JdGordon: what's your idea? |
| 15:32:21 | markun | just have a string containing all the letters from the alphabet? |
| 15:33:13 | JdGordon | pretty much |
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| 15:41:06 | Lear | Indeed it was. Didn't look nice though. :) |
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| 16:02:44 | Redbreva | Is everyone else still getting e-mails for SVN commits? My last one was for the 'Force Mono' voice update... |
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| 16:05:15 | JdGordon | the english string is used when a string isnt translated right? |
| 16:06:05 | DerPapst | afaik yes. |
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| 16:08:19 | PaulJam_ | Lear: does the latest commit for gapless playback also work for files in mp3 format that were ripped by itunes or only aac? |
| 16:09:13 | moos | RedBreva: same here |
| 16:09:31 | Lear | PaulJam: Only AAC for now. |
| 16:09:40 | PaulJam_ | ok, thanks |
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| 16:12:40 | Redbreva | moos: OK, Thanks |
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| 16:13:17 | moos | RedBreva: de rien |
| 16:14:01 | JdGordon | well that was surprisinly simple :) |
| 16:18:24 | * | DerPapst likes surprises |
| 16:19:58 | daurnimator | JdGordon: would you call it strange that NONE of my friends are answering their phones? |
| 16:20:17 | JdGordon | no... :) |
| 16:20:18 | daurnimator | i've called about 10 people tonight, they all ring out to voicemail |
| 16:20:20 | JdGordon | the are avoiding you |
| 16:20:38 | JdGordon | turn off caller id before you ring |
| 16:21:17 | markun | Lear: where did you find the info about iTunSMPB? |
| 16:21:18 | * | daurnimator wonders what he said/did |
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| 16:21:59 | Lear | markun: hydrogenaudio.org |
| 16:23:10 | Lear | Now, if I only could get it working for Nero-encoded stuff... |
| 16:23:11 | daurnimator | JdGordon: uh, how, I just tried it, and it didn't work |
| 16:23:59 | JdGordon | there is a * code you prepend fto the phone number.. i dunno what it is though |
| 16:24:10 | JdGordon | depends on your telco |
| 16:25:02 | JdGordon | yay FS is fubar tonight :p |
| 16:25:18 | daurnimator | FS? |
| 16:25:29 | JdGordon | flyspray |
| 16:25:38 | daurnimator | yay, I did it |
| 16:26:33 | JdGordon | hehe maybe i realy do have slight dyslexia... inpedendat :p |
| 16:28:02 | daurnimator | wel... someone answered :( |
| 16:28:14 | daurnimator | but, they are absolutly pissed... |
| 16:28:50 | petur | FS is working here, JdGordon... |
| 16:29:21 | JdGordon | I keep getting fatal errors which aparently arnt very fatal.. the request still goes through |
| 16:30:19 | markun | Lear: Is the data after "(iTunNORM)[eng]:" in id3 the same format as the value used in MP4? http://dekstop.de/weblog/2006/06/stripping_itunes_podcast_id3/ |
| 16:30:31 | daurnimator | JdGordon: do you know what time trains finish? |
| 16:30:51 | JdGordon | 2am on sat nights isnt it? or is that trams? |
| 16:31:04 | * | JdGordon points daurnimator to victrip.com.au or whatever they are now |
| 16:31:19 | Lear | markun: I'd expect so. Haven't tested/looked myself though. |
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| 16:31:44 | markun | What's the problem with the nero encoded files? |
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| 16:34:15 | daurnimator | JdGordon: damn..... 11:50 |
| 16:34:21 | Lear | They're not gapless. The encoder is supposed to make it possible. |
| 16:34:22 | daurnimator | i swear they had later ones... |
| 16:35:01 | markun | Lear: I read something about an "encoder delay" which also needs to be taken into account |
| 16:36:31 | Lear | Yes, that's the problem. But the delay is encoder specific (I think), so it should be read from somewhere. |
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| 16:53:14 | markun | Lear: what do you think about splitting up metadata.c? |
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| 16:53:47 | Lear | In what way? |
| 16:54:39 | markun | move the mp4, ape, ogg etc specific stuff to separate files |
| 16:54:52 | markun | because it's getting quite big |
| 16:55:16 | markun | and keep shared functions in metadata.c |
| 16:56:04 | markun | and does id3.c have to stay in firmware/ ? |
| 16:56:28 | Lear | Yes, id3.c is used by mpeg.c, also in firmware. |
| 16:57:00 | markun | maybe mpeg.c has to move too then? |
| 16:57:23 | Lear | Regarding metadata.c, I haven't really thought it to be too big, but if someone would do it, I guess I wouldn't complain. |
| 16:57:46 | markun | I started doing it, just wondered if you had anything against it |
| 16:58:56 | Lear | Moving mpeg.c is pretty much is pretty much what the playback unification is all about. |
| 16:59:10 | markun | ok, good |
| 16:59:13 | Lear | I.e., move all buffering stuff to apps and merge it with the swcodec stuff. |
| 16:59:29 | markun | is anyone actively working on it? (amiconn?) |
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| 16:59:52 | Lear | Not sure. There's been some thoughts about it at least. |
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| 17:01:05 | moos | not sure that we have someone knowing both engines well enough for unifie them |
| 17:05:19 | PaulJam | the new gapless feature for aac seems to work nice. |
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| 18:32:00 | konek | hi |
| 18:32:21 | konek | do rockbox work in ipod video 5.5 G 30 GB ? |
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| 18:33:13 | konek | ?? ;] |
| 18:33:20 | Domonoky | yes |
| 18:33:47 | konek | Surely ? |
| 18:34:37 | konek | On truth? * |
| 18:34:41 | Domonoky | yes, see www.rockbox.org |
| 18:34:43 | konek | sorry for my english :D |
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| 18:35:01 | konek | o yeah :D |
| 18:35:03 | konek | thx :) |
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| 18:40:30 | * | petur thinks the devconwest guys deserve a slapping with a large trout for buying heineken |
| 18:40:44 | scorche | meh....it is what was there |
| 18:41:01 | petur | what, in the room already? |
| 18:41:23 | scorche | no...just at the store...US beer selection is quite limited |
| 18:42:06 | petur | I know, I've been in the US before and shopping was absolute horror if you wanted some EU standards stuff... only found junk |
| 18:42:27 | scorche | i was quite surprised that we even found those 2 bottles of chimay |
| 18:42:36 | petur | me too.... |
| 18:42:44 | petur | expensive? |
| 18:43:00 | scorche | forgot how much, actually |
| 18:43:14 | petur | those sell 4.50 euro here |
| 18:43:31 | petur | but now... dinner time - bbl |
| 18:43:45 | * | Mouser_X doesn't drink. |
| 18:43:55 | Mouser_X | As such, no need to buy beer of any kind. |
| 18:44:06 | DerPapst | me neither |
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| 19:01:37 | ptw419 | if it wasn't so early i'd be thinking about beer :) |
| 19:02:18 | markun | Bagder: anything you have to say about the choice to stick with the DM320? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=11084.msg84084#msg84084 |
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| 19:26:43 | Llorean | markun: I was more interested in their flash decision. Maybe a suggestion that if they're going flash, go CompactFlash for some flexibility? |
| 19:28:36 | krazykit | CF cards are so big though |
| 19:29:07 | krazykit | SDHC would be a better choice, really. it's backwards-compatible with regular SD |
| 19:29:19 | krazykit | not to mention that SD cards are dirt cheap nowadays |
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| 19:32:46 | bluebrother | SDHC are not 100% compatible to SD. |
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| 19:36:20 | krazykit | bluebrother, i'd have sworn the sdhc readers were fine with regular sd cards |
| 19:36:20 | bluebrother | especially, they aren't strictly required to support SPI mode anymore. |
| 19:36:32 | krazykit | aaah. |
| 19:36:51 | petur | I think CF cards are available in bigger capacity and their hw interface is simple |
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| 19:37:08 | bluebrother | cf cards can be accessed in an 8 bit mode |
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| 19:37:28 | bluebrother | also, addressing works differently between SD and SDHC |
| 19:37:45 | bluebrother | the differences are small though. |
| 19:38:00 | krazykit | hm. |
| 19:38:46 | krazykit | still though, CF cards are relatively large compared to most DAPs |
| 19:39:05 | bluebrother | well, at least you can't easily swallow a CF card ;-) |
| 19:39:34 | Mouser_X | True |
| 19:39:46 | krazykit | i guess that's a benefit, somehow |
| 19:40:03 | krazykit | if you're 2 :P |
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| 19:40:10 | Mouser_X | I've heard that you can build an adapter either for CF cards to use them as a hard drive, or the other way around... |
| 19:40:20 | bluebrother | men are children, aren't they? |
| 19:40:26 | Mouser_X | (I think HCS has a laptop that is now using a CF card as the HDD.) |
| 19:40:39 | bluebrother | you can quite easily do that. The interface is similar |
| 19:40:45 | Mouser_X | If that was the case, people coould modify their player to use a HDD. |
| 19:40:53 | petur | krazykit: I think we just have a different view on DAPs, like I can't understand why peaople buy players with 8GB or less (I recently upgraded my h340 to 80GB because of space issues) |
| 19:41:07 | Mouser_X | This would be one reason to use CF cards. People could then add a HDD if they wanted. |
| 19:41:19 | bluebrother | similar to replacing the Ipod mini's hard disk with a CF card. |
| 19:41:29 | petur | s/peaople/people |
| 19:41:43 | krazykit | petur, neither can i, which is why i was sad when the Rio Karma's successor was announced to be 8&12 gigs |
| 19:41:53 | krazykit | i loved my karma :( |
| 19:42:19 | petur | CF just has more space for bigger capacity |
| 19:42:23 | * | Mouser_X really likes his Gigabeat F40. |
| 19:42:28 | krazykit | i |
| 19:42:30 | Mouser_X | I wouldn't mind having a larger drive though... |
| 19:43:20 | krazykit | i'm pretty happy with my gigabeat+rockbox. still a few little issues that i want to figure out / open a feature request / learn some c and make a patch for. don't remember what they are off the top of my head though |
| 19:43:29 | petur | devconwest people, what's up? |
| 19:44:00 | * | krazykit would just worry that neuros would make another player the size of the n1 jukebox |
| 19:44:18 | Mouser_X | petur: HCS is working on porting a GBS player to Rockbox... |
| 19:44:26 | Mouser_X | I'd like that. |
| 19:44:29 | Mouser_X | :P |
| 19:44:45 | * | petur looks up GBS |
| 19:44:51 | Mouser_X | Gameboy audio. |
| 19:44:53 | krazykit | gameboy sound? |
| 19:45:28 | hcs | we'll see if I get anywhere with it, nothin' else planned for the day |
| 19:45:55 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
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| 19:55:40 | markun | does anyone care to comment on my metadata-splitup patch? http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/metadata_split.diff |
| 19:57:01 | markun | petur: you maybe? |
| 19:57:35 | petur | errrr it would be the first time I would look at that code ;) |
| 19:57:52 | petur | I can have a peek though |
| 19:58:05 | markun | I don't think you need to know what it does |
| 19:59:06 | markun | the thing I was not so sure about are the metadata_*.h files |
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| 20:00:00 | markun | and I forgot to put the copyright part back |
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| 20:00:19 | saratoga | markun: i like the idea of splitting it up |
| 20:00:40 | saratoga | just starting to get into it now for the wma decoder, and it seems a bit ugly as it is right now |
| 20:00:59 | markun | saratoga: perhaps I can just commit it and then fix it later if people have better suggestions |
| 20:01:17 | saratoga | moving some of the format specific stuff out makes sense |
| 20:01:20 | markun | yes, better to keep your stuff in asf.h |
| 20:01:22 | markun | .c |
| 20:02:28 | saratoga | i certainly wouldn't mind you committing it |
| 20:02:44 | saratoga | though if you do, could you please update the "writing rockbox codecs" wiki page? |
| 20:03:08 | saratoga | i'm having enough trouble getting the last 12 months changes straight in there |
| 20:03:12 | markun | I can't get the sh1 compiler to build to test the archoses |
| 20:03:28 | markun | saratoga: good point |
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| 20:08:27 | tedrock | anyone know any good programs out there that will update/add the genre to tags something like how musicbrainz works |
| 20:08:45 | markun | saratoga: I updated the patch, but it's so big that I don't know if you can get a clear picture of what I did |
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| 20:10:01 | lostlogic | markun: yeah, hard to look at a patch that really just moves tons of code from file to file. At a glance it looks fine though. |
| 20:10:04 | krazykit | tedrock, any decent tagging app should do that. |
| 20:10:36 | markun | lostlogic: I think I'll just commit it now |
| 20:10:52 | krazykit | tedrock, i'd think tag&rename or the godfather will do that, though i'm not familiar with windows apps |
| 20:11:00 | petur | the first version build ok for archos, I did get two patch errors (could be my fault) |
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| 20:11:23 | tedrock | krazykit: aww i just started using musicbrainz picard and really like it but it doesn't do genre :( |
| 20:11:37 | markun | petur: oops, I need to fix that |
| 20:12:23 | petur | apps/metadata.c hunk 1 failed at 1 hunk 2 failed at 39 |
| 20:12:39 | petur | I got to go now, back in 30 minutes |
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| 20:21:39 | markun | amiconn: I just committed my metadata splitup, could you take a look at it |
| 20:22:33 | amiconn | I'm not sure whether I like this split by format |
| 20:22:44 | markun | why not? |
| 20:23:02 | amiconn | I would think a split by tag format would be better (vorbis comments etc) |
| 20:24:05 | markun | yes, perhaps some can be moved together |
| 20:24:28 | saratoga | where did the ID3 stuff end up? |
| 20:25:02 | markun | it's in firmware/id3.c I think |
| 20:25:07 | amiconn | id3 has to stay in firmware/ as long as there are the 2 playback engines |
| 20:25:14 | The-Compiler | Hm? Why is the site down again? Today noon it has worked. |
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| 20:28:42 | markun | red in the build table... |
| 20:29:57 | bluebrother | wow. 700 bytes delta by only splitting up the parser? |
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| 20:31:49 | markun | bluebrother: perhaps it has something to do that I had to remove the 'static' keywords to get rid of some warnings |
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| 20:44:19 | petur | The-Compiler: site access is fast here, I guess it's on your end... |
| 20:45:01 | The-Compiler | petur: But all other sites does work |
| 20:45:38 | amiconn | DNS irregularities |
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| 20:48:42 | The-Compiler | amiconn: How can I fix they? |
| 20:48:54 | drofdarb | What kind of technical knowledge would be required to port to a new device? |
| 20:49:02 | The-Compiler | As I said, at ca. 11 it's work fine |
| 20:49:47 | drofdarb | For instance, if I was interested in porting to the clix second generation? |
| 20:50:37 | saratoga | drofdarb: depending on how open the hardware was, you'd need some experience doing embedded programming, operating systems, and probably reverse engineering software |
| 20:51:00 | drofdarb | saratoga: thanks |
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| 20:57:47 | saratoga | drofdarb: have you seen this? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
| 20:58:25 | drofdarb | saratoga: no, I didn't see that yet. I'll check it out though. Thanks :) |
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| 21:00:50 | drofdarb | If I end up purchasing this clix, I may look into beginning a port for it (though I'm in college full time when I'm not co-oping so it wouldn't be anything quick). |
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| 21:15:55 | kkekdosn | hey |
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| 21:16:13 | kkekdosn | has anyone tried to hook their rockbox up to a modded xbox? |
| 21:16:31 | saratoga | kkekdosn: yeah someone posted about doing that last summer in the forums |
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| 21:16:33 | kkekdosn | cause i have a usb conversion and i want a quick way to transfer on the go |
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| 21:16:43 | Exclamation | im guessing it wont work |
| 21:16:53 | kkekdosn | i wonder why |
| 21:16:57 | Exclamation | because the xbox uses a diffrent filesystem |
| 21:17:06 | kkekdosn | not a modded xbox |
| 21:17:21 | kkekdosn | i just need it to reconize the ipod |
| 21:17:27 | kkekdosn | then i could play it right off it |
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| 21:17:59 | kkekdosn | i can ftp to it, and it can read all types of formats |
| 21:17:59 | alienbiker99 | kkekdosn xbox 360 |
| 21:18:05 | kkekdosn | no, origional |
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| 21:18:28 | alienbiker99 | the original cannot read drives over 4gb externally |
| 21:18:29 | kkekdosn | not softmod, i wrote over the origional bios chip |
| 21:18:35 | Exclamation | which dashboard are you using? |
| 21:18:36 | kkekdosn | o crap |
| 21:18:47 | Exclamation | media center? |
| 21:18:50 | kkekdosn | i have alot of them |
| 21:18:58 | kkekdosn | right now imt rying xbmc |
| 21:19:08 | kkekdosn | i dont think evox will make a difference |
| 21:19:23 | Exclamation | nope, xbmc is probably your best bet |
| 21:19:35 | kkekdosn | everything ive tried to look up has something with 360 in it |
| 21:19:47 | saratoga | XBMC can read USB thumb drives, but with a 4GB lmit, so it probably won't work on most ipods |
| 21:19:55 | kkekdosn | the wierd thing is that it will charge through the xbox, but it wont look |
| 21:20:04 | saratoga | linux should though, and maybe some other software |
| 21:20:06 | saratoga | not sure though |
| 21:20:07 | kkekdosn | well, i have a nano i let a friend borrow |
| 21:20:17 | beta | hello anybody have a mk8007gah they want to part with? |
| 21:20:30 | petur | never :) |
| 21:20:30 | beta | or can anyone poitn me in the direction of one? they're hard to come by |
| 21:20:33 | beta | d'oh |
| 21:20:49 | petur | I think you're a few months late |
| 21:20:58 | petur | haven't seen them lately |
| 21:21:16 | beta | i am haha - i just got a gigabeat f40 today and slapped rockbox on (I am indigio by the way... just changed names) |
| 21:22:13 | beta | ebay has 1 for 190 dollars |
| 21:22:16 | Mouser_X | The problem I'm having is the price. The availability doesn't help, but even if it wasn't hard to find, it'd still be expensive. |
| 21:22:25 | beta | exactly |
| 21:22:26 | kkekdosn | does rockbox have any plugings that read avi or any other formats like this for movies and such |
| 21:22:38 | saratoga | mpegplayer |
| 21:22:41 | Mouser_X | MPEG 1 and 2. |
| 21:22:45 | Mouser_X | AVI isn't supported. |
| 21:23:37 | kkekdosn | oh, okay, thanks |
| 21:23:49 | * | Mouser_X has watched nearly all of Gargoyles, all of ReBoot, and is starting Full Metal Alchemist using his Gigabeat... |
| 21:24:12 | beta | what other makes of drive/models fit the gigabeat f40? (I.e. anything equivalent to the toshiba mk8007GAH..) |
| 21:24:14 | petur | beta: indeed, there's one available now, get it while you can |
| 21:24:22 | beta | nooo I can't afford it |
| 21:24:30 | beta | i just shelled out a load for an f40 |
| 21:24:31 | petur | a 60GB will be lots cheaper |
| 21:25:22 | beta | grr still it's money money money... |
| 21:25:35 | beta | do you think (i dont know how the trends work) that one will be avaliable in about 6 months? |
| 21:26:57 | petur | I've seen them less and less available, but I can't predict the future. However, all new players use ZIF so it is unlikely things will get better |
| 21:27:08 | beta | bollocks |
| 21:27:10 | beta | i mean... |
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| 21:27:27 | beta | whats the dif with zif drives? |
| 21:27:34 | beta | are they better at power management? |
| 21:27:36 | petur | the connector |
| 21:28:19 | petur | and the newer 80GB drives will bet better of course, and ZIF only :( |
| 21:28:48 | XavierGr | petur: there is a zif to ide procedure right? |
| 21:28:54 | XavierGr | if that's the case then no worries |
| 21:29:08 | mschneider | Is anyone familiar with the Micro SD patch for Sansa? |
| 21:29:25 | petur | yes thereś a german site that details a convertor cable |
| 21:29:45 | petur | the issue is room and stability of the soldering of course |
| 21:30:01 | beta | will the MK6006GAH fit the gigabeat f40? |
| 21:30:15 | Mouser_X | I think toffe built a ZIF converter/connector. |
| 21:30:16 | * | petur hates intl keyboard implementation of ubuntu |
| 21:30:19 | XavierGr | petur: as long there is a path for this then I am happy that one day I might be able to buy an 120GB zif 1.8 drive for my H300 |
| 21:30:43 | petur | pffff I have 80 now... :p |
| 21:30:54 | XavierGr | currently my 60GB drive is perfect for my needs |
| 21:31:22 | beta | what other models of 80gb fit the f40? or is it just the MK8007GAH? |
| 21:31:53 | petur | yes |
| 21:32:03 | petur | all the newer ones are ZIF |
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| 21:32:26 | beta | ok and the 60gb MK6006GAH as i asked above... will that fit? |
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| 21:33:14 | petur | have to check |
| 21:33:38 | beta | ok thnks |
| 21:33:40 | beta | *thanks |
| 21:34:57 | PaulJam | according to a thread on MR a company called savanna systems is planning to produce/sell ide zif adapters that can be used in daps for those who dont want to build one theirselves |
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| 21:35:33 | petur | MK6006GAH is ATA so that's ok |
| 21:36:21 | kkekdosn | does anybody know if when i hook up the 4gb nano up to the xbox if there is anything specific i have to do to get it to show up, or will it show up as another drive on xbmc |
| 21:36:23 | kkekdosn | ? |
| 21:36:32 | beta | thanks petur - i've found one on ebay (not sure if I should order one from the UK (where I am!) or from the US.. it's 10 pounds cheaper from the US but I'm not sure if it will survive the shipping)... |
| 21:37:51 | beta | its an ipod drive i was looking at.. so if i just open up the gigbeat, switch the drives and plug the USB into the gigabeat, should it come up in windows explorer? |
| 21:38:02 | saratoga | kkekdosn: ask the XBMC people |
| 21:38:55 | petur | beta: no idea how this goes for gigabeat... ask toffe82 or markun |
| 21:39:10 | beta | ok thanks for your help :-) |
| 21:41:11 | The-Compiler | How is the new IP of the site? I still can't access the site, so I try it with a entry in the /etc/hosts |
| 21:42:48 | desowin | rockbox.org (91.191.140.131) |
| 21:44:24 | The-Compiler | Now it works |
| 21:44:40 | The-Compiler | But is build.rockbox.org another IP? |
| 21:44:54 | The-Compiler | build.rockbox.org don't work.... :( |
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| 21:45:13 | scorche | no...build.rockbox.org is still on the www server |
| 21:45:26 | petur | is it? |
| 21:46:18 | petur | nope, different IP |
| 21:47:17 | * | petur hates it when sample code manipulates bits that are marked 'reserved' in the datasheet |
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| 21:50:09 | scorche | hooray!...we have a group pic....now to add names |
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| 21:50:40 | scorche | pixelma: around? |
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| 21:51:57 | pixelma | just came back |
| 21:52:41 | scorche | we have a much better group shot for you...just a sec while we shrink it and host it |
| 21:53:11 | scorche | or, we arent shrinking it =P |
| 21:54:11 | pixelma | well, wouldn't be a big problem |
| 21:55:31 | scorche | we have decided to shrink it, as we dont like the zoomed in version on our faces |
| 21:56:15 | desowin | The-Compiler: build.rockbox.org (83.168.254.42) |
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| 21:56:31 | Mouser_X | Heh. I can see that Devcon West is being *very* productive! |
| 21:56:38 | scorche | we are! |
| 21:56:55 | alienbiker99 | is that sarcasm??? |
| 21:57:01 | scorche | we just got everything about the themes sorted out (as in planning) |
| 21:57:02 | saratoga | are you spending a lot of time on the Gigabeat? |
| 21:57:12 | The-Compiler | desowin: thx |
| 21:57:18 | Mouser_X | A little (sarcasm, that is.) |
| 21:57:22 | The-Compiler | desowin: Do I need other IP's? |
| 21:57:33 | scorche | joely and toffe have been working on the gigabeat pretty much the whole time with a few breaks, actually |
| 21:57:42 | desowin | The-Compiler: you mean ? I'm just average joe here |
| 21:57:42 | Mouser_X | Cool. |
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| 21:58:03 | Mouser_X | I'm hoping there's a working S port soon. |
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| 21:58:38 | Mouser_X | What about the IR thing? Joely was going to work on that, wasn't he? |
| 21:58:45 | saratoga | scorche: hows the progress on that coming? |
| 21:58:52 | scorche | was going to being the operative word =P |
| 21:58:59 | Mouser_X | Ah. |
| 21:59:02 | scorche | saratoga: ask toffe82 |
| 21:59:12 | alienbiker99 | join gigbeat |
| 21:59:19 | Mouser_X | Pretty much, yes. |
| 21:59:23 | saratoga | i've been skimming their logs actually |
| 21:59:31 | Mouser_X | Logs are down. |
| 21:59:42 | saratoga | but i only have an F, and I don't think preglow would be happy about me slacking on the wma project |
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| 22:00:08 | Mouser_X | WMA? You mean someone is actually going to get that working? |
| 22:00:22 | scorche | Mouser_X: GSOC project |
| 22:00:31 | Mouser_X | Ah. |
| 22:00:56 | Mouser_X | I should have figured. If you're getting paid to do it, then sure, why not? |
| 22:01:34 | toffe82 | saratoga: working with ptw419 , we still have some problem ... |
| 22:02:02 | saratoga | have you gotten a display driver working? |
| 22:02:46 | toffe82 | not yet, we are working on it |
| 22:02:53 | Mouser_X | That's their problem. Still nothing displaying to the screen. |
| 22:09:18 | Bagder | markun: I actually already stated my opinion about them considering the dm320 |
| 22:09:28 | Bagder | so I added a URL for that now |
| 22:09:41 | * | linuxstb isn't sure about the metadata.c split |
| 22:13:13 | markun | linuxstb: sorry |
| 22:13:28 | markun | you don't like it at all or just how I've done it? |
| 22:13:36 | saratoga | so right now, the old wma2wav plugin calls a function in the wma deocoder that pulls some of the codec functions pointers |
| 22:13:43 | saratoga | stuff like strcpy and such |
| 22:14:04 | saratoga | is there some reason I can't just do like testcodec.c does and get those pointers directly without calling the decoder? |
| 22:15:31 | linuxstb | markun: I guess I didn't see it as a problem needing to be fixed. It's now almost a case of one file per function, which has gone to the other extreme... |
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| 22:16:00 | saratoga | fwiw, I though the old way was a little messy |
| 22:16:13 | saratoga | since i didn't really want to dig through the spc code just to figure out how to add a new codec |
| 22:16:35 | saratoga | but then i'm not really an experienced c programmer, so maybe that sort of this is normal |
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| 22:18:53 | markun | linuxstb: but which extreme do you think is better? |
| 22:19:20 | markun | perhaps some code be put in the same file, but I don't see what that would gain us |
| 22:19:59 | saratoga | markun: well there is that 700 byte increase, so perhaps that could be improved? |
| 22:20:06 | markun | saratoga: I hope so |
| 22:20:25 | markun | I wonder what caused the increase |
| 22:20:53 | markun | for coldfire it's 280, but still a lot |
| 22:21:09 | saratoga | i think the second commit upped the coldfire mroe |
| 22:21:28 | markun | no, the first commit didn't build for coldfire |
| 22:21:44 | markun | the 340 you see is from the gapless AAC commit |
| 22:21:51 | saratoga | ah |
| 22:21:56 | saratoga | my mistake |
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| 22:27:45 | scorche | pixelma: sorry for the wait, but it is on the site on the top section...just needs some names added =) |
| 22:29:20 | Bagder | nice shirts! ;-) |
| 22:31:08 | saratoga | why does codeclib.c have malloc? |
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| 22:31:19 | saratoga | i thought rockbox did not use malloc? |
| 22:31:25 | Bagder | it's a "fake" malloc |
| 22:31:29 | Bagder | some of the codecs use it |
| 22:31:44 | saratoga | is there a downside to using it? |
| 22:32:02 | saratoga | i've removed most of the malloc calls in my stuff, but i won't bother doing the rest if theres no need |
| 22:32:09 | Bagder | it is very simple and should be used by caution |
| 22:32:19 | Bagder | or "with" ... :-) |
| 22:33:02 | linuxstb | saratoga: Ideally we would want to remove it, so if you can avoid using it in new codecs, it would be good... |
| 22:33:21 | saratoga | ok, i will put that on my todo list |
| 22:33:32 | saratoga | i don't think the codec actually needs malloc anyway, i think people were just lazy |
| 22:34:21 | saratoga | also, while we're talking about memory, wma has a ridiculous number of lookup tables |
| 22:34:33 | saratoga | has the extra iram on some targets been enabled? |
| 22:36:09 | lostlogic | markun: why did the metadata split cause a change in code size? |
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| 22:36:58 | bluebrother | hmm. I somewhat like the idea of grouping by tag type |
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| 22:37:31 | kohlman | hey i need some help |
| 22:38:16 | kohlman | i was wondering what .wps files are because i have some but not sure what they do |
| 22:38:34 | Mouser_X | WPS = While Playing Screen |
| 22:38:34 | kohlman | they came with a theme i downloaded |
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| 22:38:50 | kohlman | so what do they do |
| 22:38:57 | bluebrother | they customize the look of the playing screen |
| 22:39:38 | kohlman | also some of my wma files dont work on rockbox but they do in regular why? |
| 22:39:49 | Bagder | only some? |
| 22:39:52 | bluebrother | Rockbox doesn't support wma |
| 22:39:54 | saratoga | because i haven't finished the wma decoder yet |
| 22:39:55 | bluebrother | at least not yet. |
| 22:40:06 | kohlman | o.. |
| 22:40:17 | bluebrother | if you have wma files that play then those files aren't wma at all ... |
| 22:40:31 | * | bluebrother points to the fine manual ... |
| 22:40:41 | kohlman | they play in the actual firmware |
| 22:40:47 | * | Bagder points to saratoga ;-) |
| 22:41:23 | bluebrother | well, most people in here don't care about OF's |
| 22:41:23 | kohlman | so what file work both in original and rockbox |
| 22:41:41 | kohlman | well what type of files should i use |
| 22:41:41 | Bagder | ditch the original and you'll be happier! |
| 22:41:48 | kohlman | well what type of files should i use?? |
| 22:41:55 | Bagder | anything but wma |
| 22:42:04 | Bagder | or wait until it supports wma |
| 22:42:04 | bluebrother | you might want to check the wiki SoundCodecs page ... |
| 22:42:12 | * | Mouser_X likes ADX. |
| 22:42:29 | bluebrother | bah, ditch wma. :) |
| 22:42:30 | Mouser_X | However, that's generally not actually recommened for use when encoding your audio files. |
| 22:42:39 | Mouser_X | ^ ADX |
| 22:42:47 | drofdarb | New Toshiba F40 for 96 bucks a good deal? |
| 22:42:51 | alienbiker99 | yeah |
| 22:42:54 | drofdarb | I've never had a chance to actually play with one |
| 22:42:56 | Mouser_X | Dang good deal! |
| 22:42:59 | Bagder | is indeed |
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| 22:43:17 | Mouser_X | Link? I'll buy it. (I already have one though..) |
| 22:43:23 | drofdarb | Heh |
| 22:43:32 | drofdarb | I'm between it and a clix 2 |
| 22:43:37 | kohlman | k so what program should i use to convert |
| 22:44:00 | Mouser_X | I use Exact Audio Copy. |
| 22:44:00 | kohlman | ? |
| 22:44:05 | bluebrother | anything you like |
| 22:44:08 | Mouser_X | Or Oggdrop. |
| 22:44:14 | alienbiker99 | mediamonkey |
| 22:44:21 | kohlman | and what do u reccomend i convert it to? |
| 22:44:34 | linuxstb | mp3 will work everywhere... |
| 22:44:35 | alienbiker99 | ..mp3? |
| 22:44:46 | kohlman | ok thanks |
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| 22:45:53 | amiconn | linuxstb? preglow? |
| 22:48:12 | saratoga | has anyone ever gotten the uisim to work over an SSH session? |
| 22:48:22 | Bagder | sure |
| 22:48:41 | saratoga | it complains about audio for me |
| 22:48:51 | Bagder | ah, audio... |
| 22:49:00 | Bagder | I never did audio much with the sim |
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| 22:49:09 | bluebrother | well, audio over ssh ...? |
| 22:49:21 | Bagder | right, it just won't work |
| 22:49:24 | saratoga | i don't really need to hear anything, but i think the audio buffer doesn't work righht without something to empty it |
| 22:49:43 | saratoga | not a huge deal right now, but still a little annoying |
| 22:50:21 | linuxstb | amiconn? |
| 22:50:48 | amiconn | linuxstb: Iirc you mentioned a tool to create sine sweeps? |
| 22:51:00 | amiconn | Audacity can do that (latest beta), but only linear... |
| 22:51:03 | linuxstb | No, I don't think it was me. |
| 22:51:09 | Bagder | lear seemed to have one |
| 22:51:36 | dionoea | can i ask what a "sine sweep" is ? |
| 22:51:44 | * | amiconn needs a logarithmic sweep |
| 22:51:54 | dionoea | or a "* sweep" in fact :) |
| 22:52:14 | amiconn | Full range 20-20000, lossless |
| 22:52:20 | saratoga | its a tone that plays a sin of variable frequency |
| 22:52:30 | dionoea | ah ok. Thanks. |
| 22:53:02 | saratoga | i guess you could write one by calculating a bunch of sins and using windows to overlap their outputs |
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| 22:57:38 | linuxstb | markun: I think your metadata split is growing on me. A few comments though: 1) Should metadata.[ch] be in metadata/ as well? 2) I think you forgot the keywords property on the new files; 3) get_itunes_int32 seems to belong in mp4.c, not metadata_common.c; 4) I didn't write everything, so probably shouldn't have been given copyright on all the files. But that probably needs other people to claim copyright and change the headers. |
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| 22:58:38 | beta | dense question; if i'm updating to the newest build of rockbox, how do i go about it? |
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| 22:58:46 | beta | extract over the current .rockbox dir? |
| 22:58:49 | dionoea | yup |
| 22:59:07 | beta | what about config file? |
| 22:59:18 | beta | don't i loose all my preferences? |
| 22:59:19 | dionoea | it's not saved in a file |
| 22:59:26 | dionoea | so you won't lose anything |
| 22:59:27 | markun | linuxstb: I thought that the itunes parser might be used for gapless playback of itunes generated mp3 as well |
| 22:59:40 | beta | dionoea - oh ok where is it saved? |
| 22:59:52 | Bagder | dionoea: it is saved in a file these days... |
| 22:59:52 | saratoga | markun: itunes just reads the lame header, so assuming they don't remove that, it should be fine |
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| 23:00:04 | dionoea | ah ... it changed :) |
| 23:00:08 | saratoga | though i don't know if its own encoder can write gapless info |
| 23:00:11 | dionoea | Anyway, you won't lose your config |
| 23:00:18 | markun | it does, the same as for WMA |
| 23:00:22 | markun | ehh, AAC :) |
| 23:00:34 | beta | ok... if i loose all my settings... you know who ill be blaming... ;-) |
| 23:00:37 | saratoga | are you sure its actually writing the info? |
| 23:00:47 | saratoga | i konw itunes will guess gapless info if theres none there |
| 23:01:07 | saratoga | i wouldn't be surprised if they didn't bother to update their encoder |
| 23:01:14 | saratoga | apple hasn't touched it since the OS9 days IIRC |
| 23:01:20 | markun | saratoga: let me look up a link for you |
| 23:02:57 | markun | saratoga: look at the id3 info in the thread: http://forum.funkysouls.com/dump/f34t19639.html |
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| 23:03:18 | markun | iTunNORM and iTunSMPB are stored in comments |
| 23:03:29 | linuxstb | markun: Also, the get_vorbis_metadata() function should probably be called get_ogg_metadata() and moved to an ogg.c (the speex version of the Ogg parser could maybe also be in ogg.c, and hopefully merged with the vorbis one) |
| 23:03:41 | markun | linuxstb: yes, I was thinking about that too |
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| 23:04:50 | saratoga | markun: yes I know, however, for LAME files, those values are dervived from the lame tag, and if there is no lame tag, they're just estimated by itunes using silence detection |
| 23:04:50 | markun | linuxstb: 2) how do I add the property? |
| 23:05:03 | linuxstb | See the UsingSVN wiki page |
| 23:06:02 | markun | saratoga: so itunes generates this for every file, not only the ones generated by their encoder? |
| 23:06:44 | linuxstb | markun: In fact, maybe it's clearer to keep the names for now (get_vorbis_metadata and get_speex_metadata), but put them in an ogg.c. If the two functions get merged, then it can be called get_ogg_metadat... |
| 23:07:10 | saratoga | markun: thats correct |
| 23:07:26 | saratoga | let me see if i can find the post where the apple codec guys explain it |
| 23:07:38 | markun | ok |
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| 23:17:03 | saratoga | markun: i was wrong, the LAME tag info is stored in the database, but not rewriten to the id3 tag |
| 23:17:07 | saratoga | http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=48231&st=125# |
| 23:17:15 | saratoga | kincaid is one of the Apple codec guys, fwiw |
| 23:18:05 | markun | well, let's just assume that if they use the iTunSMPB to make AAC gapless it will do the same for MP3 |
| 23:18:19 | markun | can't hurt to add support for it |
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| 23:35:36 | pixelma | dionoea: talking about sweeps... did you try out the minesweeper patch on your Ipod? |
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| 23:37:50 | saratoga | in the UIsim, how do i pull up a context menu? |
| 23:38:02 | * | amiconn now has a nice 20..20000Hz sine sweep :) |
| 23:39:18 | saratoga | i've tried every key i can think of |
| 23:39:39 | linuxstb | saratoga: Long-press on enter? |
| 23:40:25 | markun | amiconn: I've once made a simple sine sweep generator, are you interested? |
| 23:40:52 | markun | ah :) |
| 23:41:03 | amiconn | I found and used this: http://www.dsp4swls.de/sigen/signalgeneng.html |
| 23:41:28 | saratoga | linustb: sorry, long press of which key? |
| 23:41:33 | saratoga | enter doesn't do much |
| 23:42:22 | dionoea | space ? F8 ? Insert ? |
| 23:42:41 | linuxstb | Sorryhink it's space... |
| 23:42:49 | linuxstb | I mean "Sorry, I think it's space...." |
| 23:43:01 | amiconn | I depends on whch target you simulate... |
| 23:43:13 | saratoga | space it is |
| 23:43:15 | saratoga | thanks! |
| 23:43:16 | pixelma | depends on the sim (which target). Do you run the sim with "−−background"? Helps to find out the keymappings... |
| 23:44:04 | dionoea | doesn't help much if you're using a laptop's keyboard :) |
| 23:44:17 | dionoea | pixelma: i didn't try the patch yet. |
| 23:44:48 | amiconn | Laptops also have numlock... |
| 23:45:12 | dionoea | yeah but that messes up half the keyboard |
| 23:45:45 | amiconn | Well, some sim keys don't have no-numlock equivalents... |
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| 23:50:50 | DerPapst | pixelma: where is the patch? |
| 23:51:41 | pixelma | DerPapst: don't have it here and already took it off of my webspace - maybe dionea could send it to you... |
| 23:51:56 | DerPapst | ah.. ok |
| 23:52:06 | * | DerPapst looks at dionoea |
| 23:52:09 | dionoea | dionoea.chewa.net/minesweeper_keymap.diff |
| 23:52:41 | DerPapst | thank you both :) |
| 23:54:36 | DerPapst | amiconn: heh.. i thought you want to have example code to create sinewaves on your dap ^^ |
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