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#rockbox log for 2007-06-17

00:02:42 Quit midgey ()
00:03:19linuxstbamiconn: I have a disk-related question. I've added a basic "−−format" option to ipodpatcher (to format the FAT32 partition). This seems to to work, but I need to write a function to get the disk geometry (number of heads and sectors per track) for Mac OS X, which I can't work out how to do. Do you know if it's safe to assume values of 255 and 63 for all ipods?
00:04:14amiconnCHS doesn't work for >8GB anyway
00:04:29amiconnIn this case, the possible maximum should be set
00:05:25DerPapstdoesn't mtools get the diskgeometry in macosx? maybe you could use some of their code
00:10:50linuxstbDerPapst: I can only see Linux code for that in mtools
00:12:17 Quit Rob2222 ()
00:12:56DerPapstmmmh. was just a guess anyways... and that code doen't work at all in macos? afaik the first one who used mtools successfully on his ipod used a mac.
00:13:32linuxstbThe command-line posted in the wiki specifies the geometry explicitly.
00:14:31DerPapstlinuxstb: yes i know but he get the values from mtools before. don't know which part of mtools though.
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00:17:17linuxstbDerPapst: The code is a Linux ioctl, surrounded by #ifdef OS_linux - there are no alternatives for other OSes.
00:17:29*ender` yawns
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00:18:18DerPapstmhhh... well.
00:18:25DerPapstsorry then...
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00:22:09DerPapstpixelma: contol scheme is better than before. :)
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00:24:16 Quit petur ("Zzzzz")
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00:28:18pixelmaDerPapst: thanks, nice to have an opinion of an Ipod owner :)
00:29:45saratogathe first argument to splash is how long its displayed for right?
00:29:50saratogahow long is one HZ?
00:31:11dionoea1 second
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00:32:52DerPapstpixelma: but i'm still not 100% happy with it. but that can't be chaged with the button defines. i think this patch should go into svn :)
00:35:18pixelmawhat would you want it to do?
00:36:21dionoeaadd keys to the ipod i guess
00:36:29dionoea</easy way>
00:36:40saratogaI could use some advice on how to trouble shoot this problem
00:37:03saratogai've updated a viewer, and can load a file with it, but hte plugin itself never loads
00:37:15saratogai just get a "cannot open" splash
00:37:29saratogaand my splash in the first line of the plugin never gets run
00:37:32DerPapstuse menu for up, play for down, long play for info (so far only define changes) and scrolling ff or rew scrolls through the entire field (from left to right, from top to bottom).
00:37:35linuxstbsafetydan: What does your line in viewers.config look like?
00:37:40saratogathe .rocks file does get built
00:37:40linuxstb(sorry, saratoga:)
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00:38:33saratogashould that "viewers/" not be inthere?
00:39:13linuxstbAnd the splash says it can't open "" ?
00:39:19saratogano sorry
00:39:46linuxstbrocks or rock ?
00:39:56saratogaerr, "/.rockbox/viewers/wma2wav.rock"
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00:40:09linuxstbAnd the file is there?
00:40:53saratogai'm using linux if this makes any difference at all
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00:43:26linuxstbsaratoga: And there are no messages displayed in your shell which could help?
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00:47:06DerPapstpixelma: read what i said about the way i would like to see the button defines in minesweeper?
00:48:39markunLlorean: are you there?
00:49:18pixelmaDerPapst: yup, not sure if I'd be able to code that up (not in the near future at least, would have to learn some c before...) ;)
00:50:09saratogalinuxstb: thanks, theres a message about an undefined symbol and i'm pretty sure i know why
00:51:24DerPapstpixelma: same here... staring at the source code right now ;)
00:51:38DerPapstminesweeper is a bit more complex than 1D tetris
00:52:08DerPapstwell .. not true... arguing with someone in #ipl -.-
00:52:11 Quit ender` (" I like work: it fascinates me. I can sit and look at it for hours. -- Jerome K. Jerome")
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00:58:02linuxstbsaratoga: So are you about to do your first speed test on a target?
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01:06:27DerPapstlinuxstb: nice comitt :)
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01:08:54preglowspeed test?
01:09:01*preglow scans log'
01:10:58saratogalinuxstb: i'm hoping to get to that point today
01:11:01saratoganot sure if i will though
01:11:22markunwould be pretty cool to have wma playback already
01:11:28saratogathis plugin I'm trying to use is a huge mess
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01:12:00saratogai think rockbox is going to be the hard part, i'm not so good at programming, at least compared to math
01:12:06***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:12:22preglowat least with the rockbox part theres plenty of help to get compared to the dsp, heh
01:13:36markunand preglow will probably do the asm optimisations as usual :)
01:14:06preglowwe'll see
01:15:00preglowsaratoga: i feel kind of bad for not being around too much when i should be mentoring, please just mail me/google talk me whatever if you're wondering about anything. i check that more often than irc
01:15:21preglowsummer arrived and i'm in demand with various people
01:16:08preglowbut definitely anyway, rockbox integration > speedy codec
01:18:32saratogapreglow: thanks
01:19:13preglowbut anyway, do whatever keeps your motivation up. i know i definitely gain more of that if i can just optimise stuff for a couple of days, heh
01:19:24preglowbut then again, i am weird
01:19:33saratogayeah i just need to get to the point where i can run something in rockbox
01:19:45saratogai hate being stuck unable to run anything
01:19:53preglowyeah, i can imagine
01:22:20Lloreanmarkun: I'm here now
01:22:38*linuxstb points optimistically to a Monkey's Audio decoder in need of Coldfire attention if anyone is bored...
01:22:50preglowi happen to not be bored right now, heh
01:23:04preglowi also happen to never use monkeys audio, and speex needs attention first
01:23:18preglowtoo much stuff needs attention, i'm hoping for more rockbox time
01:23:45saratogawhat is the difference between using rb->strcpy and just calling strcpy?
01:23:59linuxstbstrcpy doesn't exist in plugins
01:24:01preglowwell, for one, you shouldnt be able to call strcpy straight
01:24:05preglowunless youre using the sim
01:24:09preglowon target, forget it
01:24:14saratogacodecs can though?
01:24:16preglowgod, these lappy keyboards suck
01:24:52preglowahh, unless theyre in some kind of codec lib
01:24:54preglowand they might be
01:25:06preglowhaven't got the rb source here right now, so can't check
01:25:40saratogaah yeah codeclib has one
01:25:49amiconnpreglow: viewvc is your friend..
01:26:29saratogaso the ci struct is for codecs and the rb struct is for plugins?
01:26:47linuxstbYes - see plugin.h and codecs.h
01:27:20markunLlorean: the only unassigned button press on the gigabeat remote is long-press on the speaker button, use if for the quickmenu?
01:27:30scorchemarkun: good timing =)
01:27:38scorcheoh...i see it above >_>
01:28:23Lloreanmarkun: As long as the quickmenu works from the remote, sure. The Shuffle and Repeat options seem ideal for the remote, I think. Maybe.
01:28:58*amiconn thinks the quickmenu no longer deserve its name
01:29:11linuxstbscorche, Llorean: Who's who in the devconwest team photo?
01:29:18saratogaanother question, the old wma decoder includes plugin.h, but this causes it to not compile with error "rockboxlogo.h: No such file or directory"
01:29:24scorchelinuxstb: i am putting that up right now
01:29:54markunamiconn: I never use it myself
01:30:10saratogawithout it, i get a runtime error because "ck: undefined symbol ci", presumably because that include is missing
01:30:38amiconnci needs to be defined in your codec
01:30:45preglowamiconn: yeah, but i'm lazy and very used to "cd, ls and vim" :)
01:31:11saratogaamiconn: I figured it was #included somewhere, let me look into this
01:31:34Lloreanlinuxstb: In the back: Toffe, Me, Soap, Joely. In the front: HCS, Scorche, Lostlogic
01:32:35preglowLlorean: you can't even make the flash based video feed work? :P
01:32:40linuxstbsaratoga: Is it a plugin or codec including plugin.h ?
01:33:06scorchelinuxstb: page updated
01:33:11scorchemore pictures coming soon
01:33:25saratogalinuxstb: sort of both
01:33:37saratogaits a plugin that calls the half finished codec
01:33:46saratogaevidently it worked last summer
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01:34:00preglowthings tend to change...
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01:34:38saratogaso codec.c declares a "codec_api ci" variable
01:34:54saratogado i need to delcare that as an extern variable in the codec or something else?
01:35:38amiconnNo, the codec has to define a struct codec_api *
01:35:43linuxstbcodec.c is used by core Rockbox to call codecs. You include codec.h in your codec, and the codec_main() function is called by the core, passing a codec_api struct.
01:35:52amiconnYou can call it whatever you want, ci is by convention
01:36:21amiconnThe pointer is passed, not the struct...
01:36:51linuxstbsaratoga: But it sounds like you're just making life hard for yourself by writing a plugin which looks like a codec... If I was you, I would remove any references to the codec API, and just concentrate on getting it working as a simple wma2wav plugin.
01:37:19saratogalinuxstb: that sounds reasonnible, i hate the current code anyway
01:37:30saratogait works nicely on linux now, what am i likely to need to change?
01:37:41amiconnlinuxstb: Wouldn't it be better to make it a real codec instead?
01:37:50preglowfor testing, plugins are best
01:37:54preglowat least afaik
01:38:12amiconnIs that still true? We have test_codec.rock now
01:38:20scorcheaww..petur isnt here to find out we are trying the chimay red =P
01:38:20linuxstbA real codec is harder than a plugin - especially when you're first adapting standalone code for Rockbox.
01:39:12saratogaso to get the linux code working, i'll likely need to change the remaining malloc stuff to use the codeclib one, and change a lot of c library calls to use the rb struct functions?
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01:39:40preglowscorche: hell, was that shit already stocked in the minibar or did you bring it?
01:39:51preglowthe first sounds really unlikely
01:40:01scorchepreglow: we found red and blue in a grocery store
01:40:12preglowchimay in the grocery store...
01:40:16preglowwhy do i live here?
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01:41:24scorchehaha...dont ask me
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01:41:44preglowthe answer is because i'm a fool
01:41:59preglowwith no proper sense of priority
01:42:36preglowsaratoga: btw, how far from ffmpeg svn are you currently?
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01:44:03scorchemmm...i approve...has a nice little twist in the taste at the end
01:44:08saratogapreglow: lightyears
01:44:24preglowsaratoga: as in marsdaddys last patch?
01:44:40saratogai started with that, and then drifted farther
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01:45:29saratogamerging back into ffmpeg will probably mean going line by line and converting their code to fixed point, using what i have now as an example
01:46:06preglowwhy oh why did the ffmpeg wma fixed point dude disappear
01:46:15saratogait actually might not be too bad if i could get the SVN ffmpeg code to work at all
01:46:46preglowahh, yeah, you've still got that problem
01:46:46saratogaas far as I'm concerned, this code is better anyway since it has a lot less of ffmpeg's wrappers and abstractions in place
01:47:11saratogatheres only 1 or 2 functional changes they've made that look interesting to us
01:47:33saratogathe rest is stuff so they can reuse code with their wma encoder and other codecs
01:47:36preglowi don't really care as long as the codec changes themselves are in
01:48:13saratogai will have to go through again to look at that
01:48:39saratogai'm not too concerned right now though, since i've got MS's sample WMAs playing fine, 32, 64 and 128k all work
01:51:50preglowwhich is more than i would have expected, heh
01:52:08saratogadon't worry, i'm sure theres all sorts of weird files that will break it
01:52:16saratoga20kbps files already do!
01:52:56preglowpffft, who cares!
01:54:25saratogamy goal is just to get 128k working, then i guess they'll be a long period of fixing things once we add the codec and the forums fill with sansa users complaining
01:55:32saratogacan i just add a subdirectory in the plugins folder, and then a reference to it in the SUBDIRS folder?
01:55:45saratogathen it'll find the makefile in that directory?
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01:56:01preglowi think so, but i've never really tried
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02:00:41linuxstbsaratoga: Yes, but you'll obviously need to create the Makefile for your plugin yourself.
02:00:58*linuxstb spots a libasf.[ch] in vlc that could be useful
02:01:57saratogathe media player?
02:02:33saratogai'll look at it
02:02:56saratogaalso, i defined a debug macro on the PC, now I'd like to have those macros do nothing
02:03:06saratogais there someway i can redefine them to a null statement?
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02:04:05saratogawill #define dbprintf(args...) " work?
02:04:06BHSPitLappywhat's up, #rockbox
02:04:19saratogaor do i actually have to consume the arguments somehow?
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02:04:43DerPapstsaratoga: you mean something like #ifndef ?
02:04:46linuxstbsaratoga: There's also a libasf here -
02:05:24saratogaDerPapst: basically my code is literally with macros that print out debug info, i'd like to make them not do anything when compiled for rockbox
02:06:57linuxstbsaratoga: The line "#define dbprintf(...)" should work
02:06:59markunsaratoga: doesn't DEBUG( ... ) do what you want?
02:07:33DerPapst#if 0 then?
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02:08:26scorchemore pictures added
02:08:41saratogamarkun: i actually have no idea what DEBUG does
02:09:44saratogai like the chemey
02:09:49saratogagood taste
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02:10:29saratogathe Heinkien seems more questionable though
02:10:37markunsaratoga: look at apps/codecs.h
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02:15:08saratogais it ok for me to comment out the other codecs while i'm testing? they take forever to compile
02:15:46amiconnAs long as you don't change them, they won't compile again
02:16:30*amiconn also wonders who calls <1 minute "forever"
02:16:53amiconnUnless you're building on cygwin, but even then it shouldn't be more than 3..5 minutes
02:16:58DerPapstcygwin. > 2 minutes
02:17:32pixelmahe said he's on linux...
02:17:41DerPapstwell then...
02:17:50amiconnjhMikeS: I tried building codecs with -O2 - nsf.codec then fails with "region PLUGIN_IRAM is full" :(
02:18:18amiconn(on coldfire)
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02:25:59jhMikeSamiconn: is nsf hit bad with -Os too? spc was the only one that I saw negatively affected.
02:26:14amiconnI don't know...
02:26:15*jhMikeS has never tried using nsf
02:26:26*Mouser_X uses it occasionally.
02:26:28*amiconn has no track of either format to test with
02:26:44*Mouser_X uses SPCs more frequently.
02:26:50jhMikeSsome googling will find some quickly :)
02:27:23preglowlooks like a cool place
02:27:51preglowwoop, wrong window
02:29:06linuxstbThe 4KB samples[] array in nsf.c looks like it might be movable to the stack - that could help the IRAM problem.
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02:29:32preglowjhMikeS: weren't you going to devconwest?
02:29:36jhMikeSnsf needs more IRAM than spc? spc has it to spare
02:30:09hcslots of tables, I think
02:30:37linuxstbNo, I think it's ICODE - only one table is in IRAM.
02:30:43jhMikeSpreglow: I wasn't able to obligate to it unfortunately. I hope next year I'll be in a better position if there is one. :( Too much going on that I can't really need to attend to right now.
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02:31:27saratogalinuxstb: i can't get that define trick to work
02:31:29jhMikeSs/I can't/<blank>
02:31:34saratogait leaves the arguments in place
02:31:42saratogaand just removes the function call around them
02:31:49preglowjhMikeS: can relate to that
02:32:48jhMikeSsmall repetitive routines don't really benefit from IRAM much...the DSP functions get no speed increase from it since the code will be cached.
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02:35:44lostlogiceveryone use profont.
02:36:14linuxstbapt-get install profont
02:36:20lostlogicadded it ot rockbox.
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02:38:44preglowtime for a bedtime-whisky
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02:39:06preglowwhich is probably going to last me way past my bedtime :/
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02:46:16linuxstblostlogic: Are you sure the licensing for profont is OK for Rockbox? It seems to be a "free for non-commercial use" type of license from what I can see.
02:47:40lostlogicit looked like it was just plain free
02:47:47lostlogicPaul and I were lookin'
02:48:23Lloreanlinuxstb: The only license I could find described it as "freeware"
02:48:50linuxstbSee the file profontdoc.txt in - which I think we now need to include in Rockbox distributions IIUC.
02:49:17markunlinuxstb: but the fonts are downloaded separately, so perhaps it's no problem to have a different license for them?
02:49:38linuxstbAnd it only talks about distributing unmodified versions afaics.
02:50:40linuxstbHence we have no right to modify them - which at least isn't in the spirit of Rockbox.
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02:52:49lostlogicthe pcf version doesn't even include that file they mentioned
02:52:56lostlogicso I don't think ew are remotely responsible for including it
02:53:07lostlogichonestly I think we're in the clear or I wouldn't have included it
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02:57:11saratogaany idea why make clean doesn't end up calling the clean: command in my plugin?
02:57:17saratogado i need to regsiter that somewhere?
02:57:31preglowdon't think so
02:57:41linuxstbmake clean just does "rm -fr" now
02:58:00linuxstb(it was too slow to run all the make clean rules)
02:58:16saratogathats odd
02:58:36saratogai've listed my subdirectory in the SUBDIR folder
02:58:40saratogais there anything else to do?
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02:58:55DerPapstgcc -o sleep.c sleep && ./sleep −−DerPapst
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02:59:15lostlogicsaratoga: what clean command are you trying to do?
02:59:25lostlogicthe build process should never touch the source dirs
03:00:12saratogatahts it then
03:00:20saratogai'm building the stuff in place with my make file
03:01:43preglowlostlogic: anywho, you guys have fun
03:01:45preglowbedtime for me
03:01:58preglowgood night
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03:04:29*midkay wants to try profont-14 but has to wait for the package to be rebuilt in many hours
03:04:38midkaysomeone should put .fnt copies up somewhere temporarily..
03:04:51lostlogicmidkay: I will, I have them on my server any way
03:05:47scorchemidkay: it is a nice font
03:06:00midkaylostlogic: thanks
03:06:24midkaylostlogic: forbidden atm, still uploading or so?
03:06:33lostlogichmm, I must suck, 1s
03:06:58midkayyep, thanks.
03:07:16midkay12.. and 15? oh.. i thought there was a 14.. well well..
03:08:30lostlogictey may need renaming, because they are different sizes than other fonts with those numbers, I think.
03:09:41linuxstblostlogic: Sorry to go back to the license, but my understanding is that if you converted the font from pcf files, and those pcf files came with no license, then you have no right to redistribute them.
03:09:41midkayah, i see. pretty nice, but *sticks with nimbus-14 or whatever*
03:09:46midkay29's pretty big.
03:10:11scorcheit is actually nice looking though, as opposed to many of our current big fonts
03:10:25midkayscorche: sure is..
03:10:36lostlogiclinuxstb: hmm... IANAL, will suck them back out if you think it's necessary :(
03:10:58linuxstblostlogic: I'ld like to hear Bagder's opinion on it...
03:11:14lostlogicis he sleepin' or just not around ATM?
03:11:25linuxstbsleeping I expect.
03:11:31Lloreanlinuxstb: My understanding is that the original font was "shareware", someone approached the original author when the old installer wouldn't run anymore and got permission to release it as "freeware", and that's where it stands. Vague terms.
03:11:59LloreanI think the real concern ends up being what the original author meant, not what terms the new maintainer means by it, too.
03:12:01linuxstbLlorean: Yes, that's the text I read. But that text says you must include that text file with distributions.
03:12:03lostlogicplus the pcf versoin is already a modified version of the original
03:12:10lostlogicas is the 'tweaked' version
03:12:12***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
03:12:17lostlogicwhich is available on that Tobias dude's site.
03:13:00lostlogicscorche says "just cuz he does it doesn't make it right"
03:14:02LloreanMaybe we should just contact the original author?
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03:22:19saratogai'm looking at the chessbox makefile as an example, and I really have no idea what any of that means
03:22:32saratogacould someone help me through it?
03:22:34JdGordon (in about a minute) has all the new fonts if anyone wants them
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03:23:11linuxstbsaratoga: You should just be able to copy and paste a Makefile.
03:24:11linuxstbsaratoga: Sudoku may be an easier example - it uses a SOURCES file, so you just need to put your files in there, and probably just search and replace "sudoku" to "wma2wav" in the Makefile
03:24:20saratogai'll try that
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03:27:41scorchelots of talking
03:27:47scorcheand laughing =)
03:27:53Lloreanlinuxstb: There's been a lot of talk both about what we can do about the WPS gallery (all the unsupported/broken/unlicensed themes, and just the sort of sprawl to it), as well as some discussion about what (we at least) think about RButil
03:27:58scorcheand other misc things that werent really an "event"
03:28:01LloreanSpecifically, "what is it" since there's some question in that area.
03:28:40linuxstbRemoving the WPS gallery would seem a simple solution (leaving
03:28:48scorchelinuxstb: when devcon is over, i will compile my notes into a readable version for those who werent here much like they did for euro, so you will see a bit then ;)
03:28:59Lloreanlinuxstb: We have no control, at all, over
03:29:12linuxstbLlorean: Is that a problem though?
03:29:16LloreanI'm not sure it is.
03:29:25LloreanBut we were working on the assumption that there will be an official WPS gallery
03:29:36LloreanI don't think anybody thought of that, but it is a possibility for sure.
03:30:35JdGordonwell, rbutil seems to make rockbox-themes look official
03:30:46LloreanYeah, which is somewhat unfortunate.
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03:31:08lostlogicour vague plan is to make an actual official themes site that will be rbutil compat
03:31:11LloreanWe were talking about having an rockbox-themes like page on the site, that runs them through the validator and a basic "Does the .cfg file have these lines" checklist.
03:31:12linuxstbPersonally, I would like to see rockbox-themes become official - it's a much better way of organising themes than the wiki.
03:31:49scorcheso this will basically be an official version of that site
03:32:07JdGordonwhy cant that site be the official version of that site?
03:32:45LloreanWell, I haven't seen any real interest in RedBreva making it official (from his end)
03:33:08LloreanAs well, will he go through the effort to maintain copyright issues and licensing issues?
03:33:15linuxstbI haven't seen him around much, or any discussions with him about making it official.
03:33:36Lloreanlinuxstb: I'm pretty sure the *original* plan was for his site to be the official
03:33:48LloreanWhatever the official site is needs to be fairly actively, and openly, maintained.
03:33:53linuxstbI assume it was, as he's using the official html/css
03:34:45scorcheif you are interested, i can post a link to my extremely rough draft of our summaries...they will be cleaned up i said, they are extremely rough and i am not sure how much someone who wasnt here will get off of them, as well as the blank spaes that are in all of our heads
03:35:05scorchelinuxstb: that was one of the things we ask him to remove the sidebar to prevent confusion
03:35:44JdGordonmostly because the links are all changed!
03:35:57JdGordonthat confuesed me heaps last time I went browsing there
03:36:07JdGordonwent to click curent build and got some other random site :p
03:36:16LloreanOne thing we'd like is to have a human verification step on submitted themes. Just make sure there's a .txt file saying that it's under a license that we're happy with for Themes, and doesn't look like it's copyright infringing.">
03:36:37*linuxstb visits and notices it now looks completely different
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03:38:40linuxstbJdGordon: You want to rewrite Rockbox (apps/) from scratch? ;)
03:39:14JdGordonhypothetical discussion....
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03:39:37JdGordonbut yes, sort of... I've been mostly taslked out of it by now though
03:39:38linuxstbOne thing I've noticed is that lack of modularity - every file seems to #include every .h file...
03:51:27Lloreanlinuxstb: I think the most important bit is that rbutil needs to point to something that's an official site that follows the copyright guidelines DevCon Euro decided on. Some place "we" have more control over.
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04:13:42saratogamy plugin quits with an "incompatable model" error message
04:15:41LloreanI've often typed the wrong number when building.
04:15:47LloreanAre you 100% sure you build for the right player?
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04:17:05saratogai'd forgotten the PLUGIN_HEADER macro
04:17:21LloreanAh, that's an important one too.
04:17:31saratogawe should update the PLUGINAPI file to mention it
04:17:42saratogalooking over it, i'd say it hasn't been updated in quite a long time
04:18:00LloreanEntirely possible
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04:18:40saratogawell i got a plugin to run
04:18:51saratogait crashes before writing anyting to the disk, but its a start
04:18:56saratogahave fun at devcon
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04:57:21Mouser_XToo bad.
04:57:41LloreanIt provides absolutely no feedback to tell you what's going wrong.
04:57:46LloreanIt just doesn't work, and doesn't tell you why
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08:11:17iamtowelhello everyon
08:11:24iamtowelanyone awake?
08:16:02iamtowelso i'm installing rockbox for the first time
08:16:10iamtoweli'm really excited
08:16:32iamtowelbut i feel like i have no idea what i'm doing
08:17:10iamtoweli just added it to my sansa e200
08:17:22iamtowelbut now it doesn't auto detect in windows media player
08:17:37Lloreanturn off the player, and plug in USB while it's turned off.
08:17:47iamtowelone sec
08:18:36iamtowelokay so when that happens, it boots to the sansa loader?
08:18:50iamtowellemme play around here a bit
08:19:08iamtoweli'm really hoping to get this set up like this vid i saw on youtube
08:19:24iamtowelwhere this guy was running a GBA emulator in his apps
08:19:36jurrieshould be doable
08:19:40LloreanThere is no GBA emulator
08:19:58jurrieI haven't tried any GameBoy stuff
08:19:59iamtowellemme find the vid to reference
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08:20:50jurrie"regular" gameboy
08:20:50jurriePacman (you supply the ROM files), and a slew of native games work
08:21:23LloreanRockboy is Gameboy and Gameboy color
08:21:41Mouser_XLots of fun too.
08:22:01iamtowelwait i see
08:22:04iamtowelyep i'm an idio
08:22:12iamtowelokay, i see it's not GBA
08:22:16iamtowelstill, it's gbc
08:23:56Mouser_XIt'd be awesome if someone figured out a way to make it multiplayer...
08:24:12Mouser_X(No, that's not going to happen, but it would still be cool...)
08:24:31jurrienext you'll want DS support
08:24:35jurrieand Wii
08:24:51iamtowelwell, if wii were possible, who would baulk at that? :)
08:24:51Mouser_XSomeone already asked HCS for GCN support.
08:25:00Mouser_X(No joke, they did actually ask for it.)
08:25:13iamtoweli no nothing of the programming aspects
08:25:23Mouser_X(They weren't serious when they asked though...)
08:25:29iamtowelbut i am looking forward to enjoying the fruits of many other people's labours
08:25:37iamtoweli know* nothing of the...
08:25:53Mouser_XHCS is making GBS player for Rockbox.
08:26:01Mouser_XApparently, it's running.
08:26:17iamtowelis there an snes player for rockbox?
08:26:24Mouser_X(GBS = Gameboy audio)
08:26:32Mouser_XThere's a SPC player, but no SNES emu.
08:26:33iamtowel(i'm dreaming, bare with me)
08:26:48iamtowelhaving an spc player is kinda like a tease
08:26:51iamtowelit's like
08:26:54iamtowelokay, you can listen
08:26:58iamtowelbut you can't play
08:26:59Mouser_X(HCS ported the SPC player to Rockbox as well.)
08:27:18jurrielots of stuff is *theoretically* possible.... but, they would require more souped up hardware. Remember, the hardware platforms are intended to play back (primarily) mp3 audio files
08:27:24Mouser_XFor me, that's all I ask. It's not like I actually play the games I listen too...
08:27:51Mouser_Xjurrie: The Gigabeat S has a 533 mhz CPU.
08:27:56Mouser_XImagine what that can do...
08:28:16iamtowelman i would love a gigabeat
08:28:26*Mouser_X has a Gigabeat F40.
08:28:28iamtowelthe native interface for its firmware is actually quite nice
08:28:33iamtoweli hadnt seen one before
08:28:36iamtoweland bought this sansa
08:28:40iamtowelhad i realized
08:28:46Mouser_XI never saw the Original Firmware...
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08:28:48iamtoweli would have got the gigabeat in a heartbeat
08:29:02Mouser_XI installed Rockbox the second I powered up my Gigabeat...
08:29:04iamtowelhi konek
08:29:27konekif as instal rockbox, i must deinstal my music from ipod
08:29:33koneksorry for my english :)
08:29:36Mouser_XNot so.
08:29:52Soapno, rockbox can play music loaded by itunes
08:29:57Mouser_XYou can keep the music from your iPod, on the iPod, and Rockbox will play it.
08:30:11Mouser_XHowever, the filenames are completely destroyed.
08:30:28konekok, thx :)
08:31:27Mouser_Xiamtowel: I was thinking about buying the iPod, with using Rockbox in mind. I came here, and asked around for suggestions, and markun suggested the Gigabeat. I'm glad he did.
08:31:44Mouser_X(In other words, I did a *little* research first...)
08:32:15iamtowelyeah, that's super cool
08:32:18iamtoweli love the gigabeat
08:32:26iamtowelthough the friend who bought it
08:32:30iamtowelhad his crash recently
08:32:40Mouser_Xiamtowel: Put everything on one line.
08:33:09Mouser_XIt makes it easier to read, and creates less white-space. Thus, clogging up the logs less.
08:33:12iamtowelsorry; i'm in instant messaging mind right now
08:34:18Mouser_XMainly, I'm pointing out that at the *very* least, you should have one sentance be on one line... Not split up into 3 lines, for one sentance...
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08:37:22jurriebe sure you check the codecs required by your existing audio files, not all formats are supported by Rockbox.... most notably Apple's DRM AAC
08:38:38iamtoweldoes rockbox support flac and ogg by defaul?
08:38:48iamtowelman, i'm forgetting the ends of the words... default*
08:38:57jurriemp3 and ogg Vorbis work very well
08:40:13Mouser_Xiamtowel: My favorite formats supported by Rockbox: ADX, MP3 (duh!), SPC, and NSF(e).
08:40:29Mouser_XI use OGG occasionally as well.
08:40:59iamtowelmouser_x: you mentioned SPC before... that's a plugin and not native, right? or does it play SPC straight out of the box?
08:41:27Mouser_XStraight out of "the box."
08:41:38Mouser_XAlong with NSF and ADX.
08:42:04scorcheiamtowel: all plugins that work according to our specifications are included in each build...not many working plugins at all are available that you dont get in the build
08:42:33scorcheso everything that we say rockbox does (unless we say requires a patch), it will do "out of the box"
08:43:23iamtowelcool; thanks for the clarification, guys... i guess i'm just coming into this thinking of it like foobar2000 player
08:43:46iamtoweland with f2k its all plugins that you have to choose and whatnot
08:44:12*Mouser_X uses Winamp.
08:44:43Mouser_XInterestingly, my use of Winamp has sevearly decreased since I got my Gigabeat...
08:46:41PresenceYay, shows over.
08:46:44iamtoweli used to use winamp ages ago, but ceased doing so based on the ram requirements... i found it used far too much ram for me
08:46:47PresenceScorche, mind if I cruse by?
08:47:12iamtoweli switched to f2k simply based on the ram usage on my crappy celeron work pc
08:47:19Presenceput in a thingie at the front gate for "Paul Gorman"?
08:47:37Presenceor ya'll give up for the night?
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08:56:07iamtowelcrap; sorry... i'm still getting used to throwing stuff onto one line. how can i enable album art?
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08:58:35Mouser_Xiamtowel: Album Art isn't part of Rockbox.
08:58:49Mouser_XYou need to compile/build your own copy using a patch, to get that.
08:59:25Mouser_XOr, you could download an unsupported/unofficial build. You can find those in the forums. I don't go to the forums, so I don't know where to find them, beyond that.
08:59:58iamtoweli'm going to have to do some digging it appears... thanks, mouser
09:02:11iamtowelwhen the acronym "WPS" is used on the site, what is this referring to?
09:02:29JdGordonwhile playing screen
09:02:40konekHow long battery holds on Rockbox ? ;]
09:03:25Mouser_Xkonek: On the iPod? Not long.
09:03:26iamtowelawesome, thanks JdG...
09:03:52konekon iPod Video 30GB
09:03:54Mouser_Xkonek: I've heard it's about 60% of the length that the original iPod software lasts.
09:04:20Mouser_XSo, if the unmodded iPod lasts 10 hours, Rockbox would last 6.
09:04:40Mouser_Xkonek: ^ This is what I've heard anyway.
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09:05:17Presencei get 8 full hours on my 60gb ipod with random pushy-buttons-constantly usage.
09:05:38konekvery little :(
09:05:50scorchePresence: so are you home on irc?
09:06:03Presencein car
09:06:10scorcheoh..ok...just making sure =P
09:06:14Presenceright 9utside mgm pkg garage.
09:06:46Presencei called mgm's switchboard, yeah, no love for non regisstered guests parking at the signature. :(
09:07:04scorchethey are pretty strict about that around here
09:07:29Presenceah well. i prolly coulda walked from my office in the venetian faster. heh.
09:08:20scorchebefore i picked the hotel, i was considering the venetian, but they shut me down by saying that only 4 people max in a suite even not staying there/sleeping
09:08:31scorcheonly hotel that said something like that
09:08:52Presenceright, totally anal about over crowding the suites.
09:09:10Presenceactually, anal about *.
09:09:32Mouser_XI've been to a place like that...
09:09:45Mouser_X8 people maximum, including newborn babies.
09:09:48Presencebut, hey, yer all in the newest rooms on the Strip!
09:10:06scorcheso we hear =)
09:10:27scorcheyou should have seen it when we had the bigger version
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09:20:18Presenceworst parking structure evar!
09:20:37LloreanjhMikeS, linuxstb: Either of you around?
09:25:36Presencestudiowalk... hahaah, so much hate.
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09:29:24Presenceon bridge... wow, new.
09:30:44*jhMikeS 's here...lurky
09:31:11LloreanjhMikeS: We thought we found a freeze bug in mpegplayer, but it seems to only affect it when you have "Limit FPS" disabled so it's running full speed.
09:33:03LloreanWhen limit FPS is disabled, it seems to freeze before the end of Elephant's Dream on GIgabeat.
09:33:15LloreanIt completes fine at 'normal' speed
09:34:03jhMikeSI've always had it bomb out near the end of ED because the buffer ahead isn't enough...with "Limit FPS" on.
09:34:21LloreanIt works with limit on just fine for me.
09:34:30LloreanBut with limit off, it bombs out.
09:34:44jhMikeSIt should with it off since the parser will lose its place
09:35:53jhMikeSI have a fix I made to give enough buffer ahead with some low pass filtering on the instantaneous bitrate...nothing I tried after it bombs out. I have to reconstruct it though.
09:40:59LloreanAlright, just wanted to pass the word.
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10:58:38Presence"outsider's report" on devcon west: these dudes are the nerdcore equivalant to "Thunder from Down Under" but with gigi beats.
11:00:22markun"nerdcore" :)
11:00:48markunPresence: are you there now?
11:01:18Presencei just left 'rem, they were preparing the suite for some downtime for a ffew hours.
11:01:37LloreanThere's momentum though
11:01:43LloreanIt takes a LONG time for shutdonw.
11:02:01Presencedude, my ipod touched theirs, its like inherently "better" now!
11:02:38Presenceand llorean didnt slay me for having an unsuport3d build!
11:02:58scorche`we gave a few quips though =P
11:03:06scorche` long as you dont ask for support...
11:03:12*Mouser_X uses an unsupported build.
11:03:16Mouser_XIt has MOD support.
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11:03:38Presencewhy do you think i showed upo!! shit, forgot to ask for full speed DS emulation! damn!
11:03:42scorchegigabeats here have GBS support =P
11:04:02Presenceall the talk about pokemon, and i forgot!
11:04:02markuna new codec?
11:04:12Mouser_XHCS is working on it.
11:04:17scorchehcs has been
11:04:26scorcheMouser_X: are you sure you arent here? =P
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11:04:44Mouser_XHCS talked about it in #usf
11:04:48LloreanHCS is not working on it. HCS is half asleep
11:05:02Mouser_XAlso, I helped him test various GB cores, to find which one to port.
11:05:04linuxstbBut it's too slow for other targets at the moment?
11:05:18Mouser_XIt doesn't even run on coldfire targets.
11:05:19scorchecrashed on coldfire
11:05:21linuxstbAnyone tested the speed in test_codec?
11:05:27scorchenot yet
11:05:42markunlinuxstb: good to have that plugin now
11:05:46Mouser_XI'm sure there's room for improvement.
11:06:06scorchewants to get it working on other targets atm...not realtime on ipod, and as we said, crashes on coldfire
11:06:11linuxstbmarkun: Indeed, I couldn't live without it now.
11:06:33*linuxstb wonders how Soap's test track is coming along
11:06:48scorchefor mpegplayer?
11:06:55scorchehe is asleep atm
11:06:56linuxstbNo, an audio test track
11:07:07linuxstbOne that we can run in test_codec for all codecs on all devices clue then...we have been working on other things
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11:08:31AceNik_hey guys, i made a build yesterday, & all the plugins on execution show "incompatible version"
11:08:48n1sAceNik_: did you install it correctly
11:09:07AceNik_yup like i always do , im not new to this
11:09:14linuxstb"correctly" means to do "make zip" and then unzip that file to your device.
11:09:29markunlinuxstb: I still think track 2 could be nice:
11:09:33AceNik_does it make a different to patch plugins everytime you compile
11:09:47AceNik_yes i did unzip n make zip
11:10:09Mouser_Xlinuxstb: A test track for all codecs would be difficult, unless you exclude the emulated audio formats.
11:10:21AceNik_the only think bein , i have a sokoban plugin patch, i didnt repath it , just did a make
11:10:39markunMouser_X: we'll exclude them as we don't have an encoder for them anyway
11:10:44linuxstbmarkun: I don't really care any more - I just want a track so I can start benchmarking ;) We should point Soap to that track, see what he says.
11:10:57linuxstbMouser_X: Of course. I meant "normal" codecs...
11:11:20Mouser_Xmarkun: I can provide an ADX encoder.
11:11:54linuxstbAceNik_: I don't understand what you mean by "patch plugins everytime you compile"
11:11:58n1sAceNik_: you don't have to reapply the patch every time you compile
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11:12:45AceNik_then i dont unmderstand why i get "incompatible version"
11:12:47n1sAceNik_: do you have a rockbox.whatever file in the root of your player?
11:13:00n1sdelete it
11:13:09markunlinuxstb: hm, the songs ends in silence, so that should be cut off
11:13:17linuxstbmarkun: Yep.
11:13:21AceNik_the rockbox.mi4 , delete it ? you sure
11:13:32linuxstbDo you also have a rockbox.mi4 in the .rockbox folder?
11:14:14AceNik_no sorry i only have it in the rockbox folder
11:14:41Mouser_XADX encoder (I don't know how recent/what version this is...):;3627398;/fileinfo.html
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11:15:21n1sAceNik_: okay, then do a 'make' then 'make zip' and unzip it to your player again
11:16:23AceNik_ n1s:ok ill try that again now , gimme soem time , ill probably do asvn revert n re patch everythin, cause im bored of doing it again n again , wnna do it fresh once n for all
11:16:43Mouser_Xmarkun, linuxstb: Here's the ADX Encoder that I downloaded. I'm pretty sure this one is the most recent version:
11:17:44Mouser_X(In case you want to make a test track for ADX as well as the other "normal" codecs.)
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11:28:24AceNik_what do you type to et fonts in your buld "make fullzip"
11:28:52AceNik_hey how r u ?
11:28:57markunfine :)
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11:33:46scorcheg'night folks
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11:46:10AceNik_guys i recompiled my whole build , plugins still show incompatible version please help
11:46:49linuxstbDid you start with a clean build directory?
11:47:00AceNik_yup deleted it fully
11:47:15AceNik_new build fresh , patched again
11:47:23n1sAceNik_: hmm, could you try an official build from
11:47:28markundo you get this for all plugins?
11:48:21safetydanAceNik_: check that you don't have two rockbox.mi4 files. There should only be one inside .rockbox on your player.
11:48:33AceNik_no i dont
11:48:41safetydanAlso make sure that you overwrite everything in the .rockbox folder when you extract your zip files.
11:48:56AceNik_i deleted the earlier build
11:49:09safetydanSo you deleted the .rockbox folder and then extracted a new build?
11:49:21AceNik_& extracted this new one , also did the "hold button clear settings"
11:50:08linuxstbDid you try deleting the .rockbox folder from your player before extracting the new one?
11:50:43AceNik_thats what i said i did, i deleted the whole rockbox folder n extracted a new one
11:50:59n1sAceNik_: did you try an official build?
11:51:16linuxstbAnd to build Rockbox, you're typing "../tools/configure ; make ; make zip" ?
11:51:19AceNik_no , but ill try one now
11:51:36AceNik_yup linuxstb im not new, to this buddy
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11:53:08AceNik_im trying a current build now
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11:59:20linuxstbAceNik_: What patch(es) are you applying?
11:59:36AceNik_do you wants links to them or names?
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11:59:50linuxstbLinks would be useful.
12:00:07AceNik_k hold on please
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12:00:39linuxstbIf you're building and installing correctly, then the only problem left is that one of your patches is breaking something.
12:01:03AceNik_ya i thought of that , but didnt know which could it be
12:01:26AceNik_H10 smoth scroll:
12:01:41linuxstbYou could start with a clean build, then apply the patches one by one to find the one that breaks it.
12:01:47AceNik_html parser:
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12:02:03linuxstbCompiling your own clean build will also confirm that the patches are the issue.
12:02:08AceNik_none of them break it, all apply smooth with all hunks succeeded
12:02:21AceNik_i did compile a clean buil
12:02:21linuxstbJust because they apply doesn't mean they're not broken.
12:02:58AceNik_random album:
12:03:07linuxstbAnd a clean build you compiled yourself worked?
12:03:33AceNik_full screen logo : i dont have the link yet
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12:04:11AceNik_no i have to still compile a clean , build , but i did reptch n recompile thouh
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12:07:13AceNik_linuxstb: i guess it is possible all the plugins , patches gone wrong , cause over the past few days , there has been a commit "some memory wrapper" that has changed the way plugins function , i think all the patches of plugins become redundant
12:08:00linuxstbNo, that shouldn't affect things . The memory wrapper macro is only needed if a plugin fails to compile (with errors about memset or memcpy).
12:08:18AceNik_then what could be the problem ?
12:09:05linuxstbI would start by compiling a clean build - to determine if the problem is your build environment/installation or if the problem is definitely with one or more of your patches.
12:09:29AceNik_ok im doing that now
12:10:01AceNik_whats the thing where you build with " -Os" for memory wrapper
12:13:28The-CompilerIs there any productive result of the devcon west?
12:15:20linuxstbIt's been concluded that Chimnay Red is tastier than Chimnay Blue. Also, a gameboy sound codec is in the process of being written.
12:16:04AceNik_linuxstb: thats cool, cause this squeekin in the ear was hurting in gameboy
12:16:17linuxstbIt's nothing to do with Rockboy.
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12:16:49linuxstbIt's a codec to play .gbs sound files.
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12:57:03AceNik_linuxstb: it worked finally , it was the HTML parser plugin patch
12:57:11AceNik_now everything working fine
12:57:33peppoI have a little question. I've been using my Rockbox iPod (5.5g, 80gb) with GNU/Linux, and I've had no problems. however, when I tried to connect it to a friend's Windows XP computer, the machine froze, and after 5-10 minutes said that the device had to be formatted to work with iTunes/Windows. what gives? the device is fat32 after all...
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13:00:56linuxstbMaybe the filesystem is corrupt, and the computer was trying to do a virus scan on it?
13:02:11linuxstbBagder: Around?
13:02:31markunor maybe itunes doesn't like rockboxed ipods
13:03:12linuxstbIt seems quite common for itunes to say that about ipods, but I've no idea what the cause is...
13:06:07The-CompileriTunes works fine with my 5.5G rockboxed iPod
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13:15:22peppoweird. I'd really like to be able to transfer files to my girlfriend's windows machine
13:15:28peppoit refuses to mount it
13:19:27The-CompilerHow can I launch the Quick Screen on a Sansa?
13:20:01linuxstbIt's normally a long-press on whatever button brings up the menu
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14:47:37*Domonoky detects talk about rbutil in the logs..
14:50:13oboaliask: you're not alone - it's been an issue since the server moved to a new IP
14:50:39aliaskAh, cool. I guess I'll just wait it out then.
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16:11:20gloriousjobhi, would anyone know how well rockbox works with podcasts?
16:11:37gloriousjobspecifically if it works with arranging them according to date or even listing the date of the podcast
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16:20:16markunTTSbox: hi
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16:54:45JdGordonmy internet is so slow now, it was faster to compile all 3 cross-compilers than it is to do a full svn co!
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17:18:43gkahlaquestion: accidentally entered "Recording" mode on my 5th gen video ipod - how do I get it to return to the main menu?
17:21:09dionoeamenu + select ? long press on menu ? long press on select ? (I don't have a clue)
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17:28:50gkahlalong menu doesn't work
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17:29:07gkahlamenu+select doesn't work
17:29:33gkahlalong select doesn't work
17:29:54gkahlathing's not responding to being plugged in either
17:30:28dionoealong play ?
17:30:33dionoea(that'll shut it down)
17:30:39dionoeaworks on my ipod
17:30:43gkahlagive me a moment
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17:31:29gkahlalong play doesn't work either - hence my concern
17:31:48dionoealong menu + select should force a reboot (that's hardware controlled)
17:31:59DerPapstmenu + center works always thogh
17:32:02gkahlalet's give that a shot
17:32:39gkahlalong menu + select has rebooted it!! hurrah!
17:33:46gkahlanow to sort out how to create playlists... thanks for the recommendations, dionoea and DerPapst
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17:40:30gkahlathanks again folks - I'm learning slowly...
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17:58:28pondlifeAny news on when the news feeds might be working again? I might have missed it in the logs...
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18:08:20OverandSo, my rockbox'd iPod doesn't display that text anymore on bootup - did I install a weird version of the bootloader? (iPod 5G)
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18:08:29OverandI last installed the bootloader maybe... several months ago
18:09:12markun"that text"?
18:09:42OverandAs in, "loading rockbox..."
18:09:50Overandor "loading original firmware..."
18:09:59OverandI have the apple logo, period, until either firmware boots
18:10:23OverandI didn't even notice it was missing until I was playing with my friend's 30gig 5G and saw it again
18:10:29DomonokyOverand: i think it now only shows the text if you press "left" while booting..
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18:10:42OverandMaybe *he's* running the old one.
18:10:49Domonokyto have a nicer booting :-)
18:11:11DomonokyOverand: then your friend should update :-)
18:11:23Overandwell, the weird thing is he's only had said iPod for ~2 weeks or so
18:11:47LloreanThen he installed an outdated or unofficial bootloader
18:12:01LloreanThe main one doesn't update the LCD unless certain buttons are pressed, or something goes wrong
18:12:15LloreanThis makes it look a bit nicer (in the opinions of some of us), and slightly speeds up boot (I think)
18:15:01pondlifeBagder: Is it known that none of the news feeds for the ML (or Flyspray) are working? Or have they moved from
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18:16:52LloreanFlyspray's feed isn't on gmane, is it?
18:17:00LloreanIt's part of flyspray
18:17:04*Llorean thought, at least
18:17:08pondlifeYes, well it used to be readable there
18:17:43LloreanAh, so it's not the flyspray feed, its the gmane feed of the flyspray feed?
18:18:08pondlifeA couple of misnomers in there... ;)
18:18:19LloreanThe flyspray feed is
18:18:32pondlifeI don't do RSS yet.
18:18:58pondlifeGuess I should do, but am happy with the NG feed.
18:19:21LloreanI'm not really fond of the formatting on the gmane one, when you try to use it as RSS.
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18:35:42dionoeaon sansas, which partition are the files on ? sd.1 or sd.2 ?
18:35:47dionoea(i don't own a sansa :( )
18:36:17Lloreansd1, if I recall
18:36:27LloreanThe hidden partition is the second one, if memory serves
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18:36:47dionoeaok, thanks
18:37:08dionoeaI'll commit my rbutil patch and see if anyone complains :)
18:37:26*Domonoky sees rbutil ...
18:38:03Domonokydionoea: whitch patch ?
18:38:09dionoeajust commited
18:43:42*DerPapst looks a 220 points
18:44:19pondlifeYep, fixed that... :)
18:44:36Domonokydionoea: so it guesses the mount point and prefills it on Linux and Mac ?
18:44:44dionoealinux only
18:44:55dionoeamac doesn't have a /proc/mounts
18:46:24dionoeaand windows must be easy using some MS api ... but i don't use windows
18:47:34pondlifeWooh, Flyspray gives a nice list of warnings/errors when you add a comment .... :/
18:47:35DomonokyMS API is strange, i dont call that easy :-)
18:47:54pondlife"Warning: mime_magic: invalid type 0 in mconvert(). in /usr/share/flyspray/htdocs/includes/class.flyspray.php on line 967"
18:48:15pondlife"Fatal error:
18:48:16pondlifeUncaught Error of type [swift_connection_exception] with message [The SMTP connection is not alive and cannot be read from. (fsockopen: #) ]"
18:53:56Domonokydionoea: i see a copy an paste bug in your patch..
18:54:09dionoeawhere ?
18:54:13Domonokysansa cant work, you took the diskname of the ipod.. :-)
18:54:20dionoeaoops :)
18:54:26Domonokyin the AutoDetect function ..
18:55:03Domonokyyou should also add yourself in the credits.h file
18:55:30Domonokyotherwise your patch is fine, go one and work more on rbutil :-)
18:55:31dionoeaI'll do that next time i change stuff
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19:14:55major_worksPondlife: I'm having problems compiling due to pcm_playback.c I get a syntax error in line 328.
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19:18:14Lloreanmajor_works: Have you tried to compile without whatever patches you're using, cleanly?
19:18:34major_worksI'll try that next and see what happens.
19:18:48major_worksI know patches are problems at times.
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19:22:01major_worksLlorean: One thing I can say is that none of the patches I typically apply touch that file.
19:24:18PaulJammajor_works: have you updated your source after pondlifes commit?
19:24:43major_worksYes, it was brand-fresh checked-out source.
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19:25:12major_worksTo Llorean's point, I did apply patches before compiling but as I'd said, none of them alter that file.
19:25:24Lloreanmajor_works: And the build table is green
19:25:38LloreanSo either it's your patches, or some difference between your setup and the official one.
19:25:45major_worksYes, I see that. I know there are all kinds of interdependencies.
19:26:15LloreanBut of course, I suspect you're not actually SVN current
19:26:42major_worksI just trashed my entire source tree and am checking out fresh SVN.
19:27:02pondlifemajor_works: That was the error my commit fixed
19:27:15pondlifeHopefully you just missed it :)
19:27:29major_worksMaybe that's the case... you just did that fix real recently, yes?
19:27:43major_worksOK... I'll be back in a few.
19:30:01markunpondlife: thanks for fixing it :)
19:30:16markunI was planning to move the pnx0101 stuff to the target tree
19:30:24pondlifemarkun: Thanks for giving me something to fix :p
19:31:22markunI could probably break a few more things if you want
19:37:02major_worksPondlife: OK, with clean, fresh SVN, the compiler sailed past pcm_playback.c with no problems.
19:37:10major_worksThanks to all for your help.
19:38:06markunmajor_works: sorry for breaking it..
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19:46:19Learmarkun: You did see the size increase from the metadata split? :)
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19:52:42markunLear: I did, any suggestions what I can do about it?
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19:54:17LearNot really. I guess it's mainly a question of the complier being able to do various kinds of inline-related optimizations.
19:55:04markunyes, I was already thinking about turning the helper functions in metadata_common into inlines
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19:55:08lostlogicwho can tell me how / where themes are loaded?
19:55:37lapesettings - browse themes
19:57:01markunI don't think he's asking about that :)
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19:57:32markunlostlogic: are you?
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19:57:54linuxstb_lostlogic: afaik, a theme is just a .cfg file, so it's loaded like any other .cfg
19:58:11linuxstb_... in the settings code somewhere...
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19:59:12lapeDoes anyones know if there's any codecs for playin xvid/divx on ipod 30Gb?
19:59:18lostlogiclinuxstb_: cool, nothing special.
19:59:28markunlape: there isn't
19:59:47markunlape: there's only
20:00:07lapetheres only mpeg1 & 2 pluggins...
20:00:39lapedo you know why?
20:00:51markunlape: and there is this:
20:00:56linuxstb_Because no-one has written one...
20:01:09markunlape: are you a coder?
20:01:10linuxstb_And also, it's very likely to be even slower than the mpegplayer.
20:01:30markunlinuxstb_: but it's what people seem to want :)
20:01:44linuxstb_markun: I wouldn't be upset if someone wrote one...
20:01:58markunme neither, but I'm not planning to do it
20:02:11lapemarkun: no coder at all....but I wish
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20:05:59markunlape: but even if you could playback xvid you would have to reencode to the right size
20:06:36*linuxstb_ wonders how life is in Las Vegas today...
20:07:06toffe82quiet ;)
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20:07:20markuntoffe82: most have left?
20:07:34toffe82no still everybody here
20:09:30chrisjs169i'm here :P
20:11:17Lloreanlinuxstb_: We have inspired what may be a pleasant surprise. No hints until it's done though, there's some active work going on on it.
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20:54:05The-Compileris the middle-button from a sansa e200 press-able?
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21:06:46jurrie_The-Compiler: huh? I don't understand the question. You can press it and software can detect the press.
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21:08:22The-CompilerOn it is written that the sansa has 6 Buttons. But it has 8 buttons (the four navigation-buttons, center, rec and power) plus a scrollwhel
21:08:42The-Compilerjurrie: I ask because I haven't a sansa and I was not sure
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21:09:26jurrieah.... yup, the 4 directions + power + record + scroll left + scroll right
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21:10:43jurriethings in the GUI are a bit inconsistent at the moment. Some places use the power button to go to a menu, sometimes it's the down button (which has a menu graphic on it), and I think I recall at least one plugin which uses the record button
21:11:44jurrielikewise, some plugins as well as the core allow the user to scroll & wrap around menus/lists, while others don't
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21:15:27GimblefishDoes anybody know if I can use Rockbox to disable the HOLD button?
21:16:13GimblefishOn an ipod
21:16:24linuxstb_You mean use the buttons whilst the hold switch is on?
21:17:37Gimblefishyeah, it's been stuck for months. I can't unlock the ipod without taking the back off and bending the whole circuit board
21:18:16linuxstb_No, it's a hardware hold switch - Rockbox doesn't know that buttons are being pressed if the hold switch is on.
21:19:28GimblefishSo it's still just an expensive flash drive.. thanks ayway
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21:20:25markunGimblefish: why do you need to bend the cicuit board?
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21:22:34Gimblefishmarkun: It's the only way to get the thing to unlock and respond anything. Pulling the little black switch 'should' be enough but..
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21:23:14linuxstb_So it doesn't stay unlocked?
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21:24:05GimblefishNo it's locked all the time except for a few seconds when you twist the ipod just right
21:24:48linuxstb_Maybe a remote would work (not in Rockbox though).
21:25:29GimblefishA remote for an ipod nano?
21:25:38GimblefishI don't quite follow
21:25:54linuxstb_I'm sure you can buy wired remotes that plug into the dock connector.
21:26:37GimblefishThat overide the lockinging mechanism?
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21:28:03linuxstb_I would expect so - it would make sense to be able to put the main unit on hold which using a remote.
21:28:32linuxstb_^whilst using a remote.
21:28:58GimblefishI've found what you may mean on you know that might work
21:29:40linuxstb_I've never used a remote with an ipod though, so can't say for sure it will work for you...
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21:30:09Gimblefishthanks a lot ;)
21:30:14GimblefishI'll look into that
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21:31:58Tachikomahow do i change the boot picture in rockbox?
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21:33:55linuxstb_You need to modify the source code, replace the image, and compile your own build of Rockbox.
21:35:35Tachikomawhich compiler?
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21:36:14linuxstb_Either arm-elf-gcc, m68k-elf-gcc or sh-elf-gcc, depending on which kind of player you're using.
21:36:52Tachikomai am trying to do this from windows
21:36:55linuxstb_If you download the Rockbox source code, there's a script (tools/ which will install any or all of those compilers for you.
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21:38:28linuxstb_There are lots of instructions in the wiki - e.g.
21:38:56linuxstb_(that comes with the compilers installed)
21:39:18Domonokycan someone with windows and an ipod test this rbutil version ?
21:40:08Domonokytest if the autodetection button still works, and if you try to install rockbox, if the "mount point" is correctly prefilled ?
21:40:26*Domonoky needs feedback .. !!! :-)
21:40:39linuxstb_How are you finding the drive letter?
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21:40:53Domonokylinuxstb_: windows api magic :-)
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21:41:13*n1s builds rockbox with the latest gcc 4.3 snapshot, gets hard freeze on startup :-)
21:41:21Domonokyi can also get the vendor and product id, to make a better detection.. but first this :-)
21:41:48linuxstb_Domonoky: Is it independent to ipodpatcher's detection?
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21:42:24Domonokylinuxstb: yes, completely independed, so it coud find another usb drive letter, its just a guess..
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21:43:23Domonokythe linux version of "finding the mountpoint" uses the diskname which ipodpatcher delivers, but i couldnt use this on windows..
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21:44:22linuxstb_OK, because I have a feeling the new −−format option in ipodpatcher isn't going to work because the drive is normally mounted. If I can find the drive letter, I think I can unmount it.
21:45:54dionoeaDomonoky: oh! you added the windows auto detect code?
21:46:14Domonokyjeah i am coding at it..
21:46:23dionoeacool :)
21:46:39Domonokyi hope you dont add code there at the moment, because i completely restructed the autodetection..
21:47:19Domonokyif someone can tell me if the version i posted works on windows with ipod, i commit it :-)
21:47:53Domonokylinuxstb_: can we distinguish the ipods via the product and vendor id ?
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21:48:06linuxstb_I've no idea.
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21:48:20linuxstb_I think there's a wiki page with product/vendor ids on though.
21:48:23Domonokyif so, i can give you code to get the drive letter reliably.. ( i think )
21:48:52Domonokythats also the next step for rbutil, but i think there are conflicts in the ids ..
21:49:13linuxstb_Yes, seems they do have unique ids -
21:49:39Domonokymini first and second gen clash..
21:50:24Domonokyall archos are not detectable but, otherwise it could work nice..
21:50:33linuxstb_Just noticed that... Time for someone to unify the two mini builds ;)
21:51:05linuxstb_I guess where ids are not unique, you can just give the user a reduced drop-down list to select from.
21:51:43linuxstb_From the drive letter, is it possible to determine the physical drive?
21:51:59linuxstb_(i.e. what ipodpatcher searches for)
21:52:03dionoeaDomonoky: i'll give your thing a try on windows. 2 secs
21:52:14*dionoea uninstalls iTunes
21:52:52Domonokynot with the code i have..
21:53:05amiconnYes that's possible
21:53:29amiconnlinuxstb: Btw, I juist verified that the G5.5 has the same device id as the G5
21:54:29*amiconn wonders whether there are ipods with PID 1202, 1206, 1207, 1208
21:55:18Domonokyi think getting pid and vid under linux is easy, but i dont know about OSX ..
21:57:42linuxstb_amiconn: Thanks, I've updated that wiki page.
21:58:56dionoeaDomonoky: doesn't work ;-(
21:59:11dionoeaautodetected it as D: instead of J: (IIRC D: is default in the code)
21:59:37Domonokybut it detected the ipod ?
22:00:15Domonokygood, then i can commit, its not worse than before..
22:00:28Domonokyand it enables future work on this.. :-)
22:00:28dionoeabut it's not better :)
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22:03:09ComputinChuckhey, i just installed rockbox this morning on my ipod video and i've made it freeze somehow. is there any way to hard reset or force a reset?
22:03:31dionoealong press on select + menu
22:04:26ComputinChuckok, cool
22:05:22dionoeayou're welcome
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22:09:12tumuanyone seen "undefined instruction at 00000420" crashes on sansa when updating database?
22:09:19dionoeatumu like "the tumu" ? :)
22:09:26tumuhi dionoea :)
22:09:28tumuthe same
22:10:03tumudionoea, i haven't forgotten my promise
22:10:09dionoealong time no see ... we don't have any people who complain on #videolan anymore :p
22:10:16tumulol :D
22:10:59tumui should return there, just been busy with other things
22:11:20tumui just got interested on rockbox when i bought sansa
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22:13:38tumuwell, the crashes happen mainly when using initialize database and then trying to use the database option on main menu
22:13:55 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear)
22:13:56tumuusing init db and then update db seems to workaround it
22:14:25tumusort of
22:14:40tumuit doesn't regen the db everytime
22:14:46LearAnyone used mpegplayer on an h120 recently?
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22:15:40linuxstb_Lear: Problems?
22:15:41saratogafor any gigabeat F owners, I bought that bestskinever thing and cut it for use on the F and it works great
22:16:03LearYes, stack overflow (main).
22:16:06markunsaratoga: for which player was it originally?
22:16:26saratogathey sell a generic one
22:16:32LearHaven't tried an official build though...
22:16:34saratogaso you can cut it to any shape
22:16:50saratogai just cut out a rectangle for the back, and a square to cover the screen
22:17:08saratogathe + is unprotected, but I don't really mind if that gets scratched
22:17:16saratogait was about 6 dollars shipped
22:18:25linuxstb_Lear: There's a 4608 byte array on the main stack, but that's all - the video and audio have their own threads (and stacks).
22:18:40LearNo difference on the official build.
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22:18:48markunsaratoga: is it glued to the case or something?
22:19:17saratogayeah its kind of weird
22:19:29saratogasheet of thin plastic, you went it and it becomes incredibly sticky
22:19:46saratogaslide it on and it locks in place, though you can pull it off again and it doesn't appear to leave glue
22:19:53saratoganot sure how it works, but i like it
22:20:48linuxstb_Lear: Can you try a daily build from before the -Os change?
22:21:18*linuxstb_ isn't sure why that would be a problem though...
22:23:13LearNo difference on June 12 build.
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22:23:52LloreanLear: Is this with the Elephant's Dream video?
22:24:04LearYes, the one on the Wiki.
22:24:16LloreanI had no problem with a build from last night.
22:24:17dionoeaDomonoky: * Copyright (C) 2008 Dominik Wenger
22:24:21linuxstb_Domonoky: TABs? Also, did you forget to commit the Makefile changes?
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22:24:23dionoeaAre you from the future or something ?
22:24:32LearLlorean: Device?
22:24:43LloreanGigabeat F
22:25:06LloreanSVN revision 13648 played through Elephant's Dream without a problem.
22:26:13linuxstb_I'm sure we would have heard if mpegplayer was broken on Colour targets...
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22:26:50AceNik_hey Domonoky how su
22:27:36AceNik_join this channel please #rockbox-Ace
22:27:53dionoeadoes rbutil compile fine in cygwin?
22:28:18AceNik_dionea: you need widgets too with it to compile first
22:28:23Domonokyi use Code::Blocks, i dont know if it compiles in cygwin :-)
22:28:35Domonokysure you need wx 2.8 ..
22:28:49Domonokybut i think the make file for this isnt up to date..
22:29:22AceNik_domonoky join the channel please i wanted to start on the gui for rbutil
22:29:40linuxstb_Why not discuss rbutil here?
22:30:16LearLlorean: Different cpu, and color LCD. Would be interesting to know if it works on an H320...
22:30:46AceNik_linuxstb: well im a total noob with coding, ill embarass myself in public
22:30:50dionoeaDomonoky: if you can compile a windows version with some debug output (like printf or something) i might be able to help pinpointing what fails
22:30:53LloreanLear: Unfortunately, DevCon is lacking in color coldfire targets.
22:30:54LloreanNot ONE.
22:31:02n1sLear: will test
22:31:49dionoeaDomonoky: btw, s/scann/scan/ in the comments
22:31:57Domonokydionoea: i am busy trying to make a detection via the usb ids, that i can test my self ( i have a h120 )
22:33:34n1sLear: elephant's dream 224x176 works on h320 here
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22:35:00LearThanks. Looks like a grayscale issue then. But main thread just inits the grayscale lib, and that doesn't use much stack, AFAICS.
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22:36:14dionoeaDomonoky: btw, why don't you use the PhysicalDrive returned by the ipod detection code to find the logical drive letter ?
22:36:48Domonokydionoea: i dont know how .. if you have code, or a link.. tell me :-)
22:37:13dionoeaI have a link to do the conversion the other way arround:
22:37:21dionoeaso i guess that the reverse can also be possible
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22:39:56Domonokyi do it this way, so i "only" have to query other info..
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22:48:08amiconnMapping from drive letter to physical drive is unambiguous, mapping from physical drive to drive letter is not
22:48:22amiconn...because there can be more than one partition
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22:49:32amiconnIt's also possible to mount volumes on directories (*nix like) instead of assigning drive letters
22:49:49*amiconn wonders whether rbutil will handle that
22:50:12LloreanYeah, I used to have Win2K doing that.
22:50:38tumuonly on ntfs tho
22:51:14Domonokyhow should rbutil handel this ?
22:52:05Domonokyi think just no autodetection of the drive letter, let the user chose.. and you can chose a dir :-)
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22:52:57amiconnIt should still be possible to autodetect in this case
22:53:44dionoeasince we know the physical drive, can't we ask windows: "where is the second partition on this physical drive mounted" ?
22:53:47steveireHey. I have rockbox on my iAudio. The battery seems to drain a lot even when the player is powered off. (overnight etc.) Could this be a rockbox issue?
22:53:50dionoeaI'm sure that they have apis for that
22:53:59amiconnYou can also query volumes
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22:54:42Domonokythen a windows guru have to do this :-) i dont know enough about win Api..
22:55:08amiconnThe nice thing about the windows api is that it's documented in a central place, msdn
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22:56:19Domonokybut you need much time to find info, and to find out how this works :-)
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22:57:17Lloreansteveire: People generally experience equal or greater battery life with Rockbox. When did this problem start, and when did you install Rockbox? Have you tried restoring the original firmware and comparing battery lives?
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22:59:54steveireLlorean: I installed rockbox last week, the day I bought the player. I am going to replace the original firmware today and see if the problem persists. It's just that I saw here: that power management is 10% complete. Not sure exactly what that means, so thought I'd ask.
23:01:44LloreanI believe that page is somewhat out of date.
23:02:01saratogai think the iaudio power management could probably be put to 100%
23:02:21saratogathe 10% thing was probably from when the USBOTG was left on draining the battery
23:02:32saratogathough i'm not that familar with the X5 port
23:02:47LloreanIt's probably in the 80-90 range I suspect
23:03:03saratogaI'll put it to 80% then?
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23:03:24LloreanI'd suggest asking someone who's an iAudio dev first.
23:03:26LloreanJust to be sure
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23:03:58saratogathat would be amiconn right?
23:04:33LloreanI guess he'd be a good starting place
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23:12:39amiconnsaratoga: iaudio pm is definitely not 100%
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23:13:10*Bagder poked the mail server
23:13:12amiconnRuntime is longer than with of, but charging still needs some work
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23:14:02LloreanBagder: Have you seen the logs regarding Profont?
23:14:08steveireYeah. Actually what I think is happening is that the battery monitor is getting confused, and that's confusing me. My player just powered off because I had an 'empty battery'. When I power on again, it says it has an hour of playtime left.
23:14:22LloreanThere may be license ambiguity, which would be unfortunate.
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23:15:35Bagderlog at what time?
23:15:42*amiconn always charges in the cowon loader because of this
23:15:48LloreanThe problem lies in the term "freeware", mostly. The original author gave a new author permission to release it as freeware. It's then been released, and modified, but there doesn't seem to be a clear explicit license for the pcf font version that was needed to convert.
23:16:33Bagderwhat is profont anyway?
23:16:51LloreanIts a very, very nice very minimal font.
23:17:00LloreanIt's particularly readable at very small font sizes for smaller screens.
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23:17:30LloreanAnd that was lostlogic finishing up our semi-surprise DevConW feature.
23:18:02LloreanWell, it was finished a bit ago but we did some live testing and "ooh, nifty" passing around.
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23:18:42steveireamiconn: You reload the cowon firmware each time you want to charge the player? So you experience the same bug as me?
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23:18:50LloreanBagder: Around 03:11 in today's log it seems. Ish.
23:19:24amiconnsteveire: No, I just plug the charger when the iaudio is turned off -> it turns on and the cowon loader goes into charging mode
23:19:41amiconnNo reloading of the full firmware necessary
23:19:47linuxstbBagder: I posted a link to the closest thing I could find to some license text at 2.48.50
23:19:58*amiconn didn't use the original firmware for anything
23:20:36steveireamiconn: Oh, right. I think I've done that a couple of times. Didn't know it was relevant. The orig firmware is unusable. So do you experience the same bug as me?
23:21:27saratogaamiconn: any reason I shouldn't up the % complete on the iaudio power management from 10% to say 80%?
23:21:36amiconnIt's just that rockbox may charge fast, slow or not at all. But when the battery is fully charged, it behaves as it should
23:21:40saratogaas i recall, battery life on that player is now somewhere around "amazing"
23:21:46steveireamiconn: Hmmm. Do you think the issue is in representing the amount of battery power remaining, or could there be a real drain?
23:23:00n1samiconn: I played around with a snapshot of gcc4.3 and got it to build rockbox for h300 (which crashed before showing the logo) I thing I will go for a stable version tomorrow maybe any version you find especially interesting? 4.0/4.14.2 ?
23:24:19Bagderthe profont "license" does not seem compatible with gpl, but then I don't think fonts need to be that
23:25:11Bagderit is also very sparse and leaves a few questions...
23:25:22linuxstbIt does seem to prohibit modification though.
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23:26:35linuxstbAnd we must include profontdoc.txt with any copies...
23:27:43linuxstbAnd "modification" could be interpreted as conversion to .fnt ?
23:27:59Bagderthat's one of the questions I think is very unclear
23:28:42linuxstbIt talks about "Profont Distribution", which it describes as containing 7 items...
23:30:28BagderI would say he doesn't seem to want others to ship the font the way we do
23:30:56Bagderanyone tried emailing the guy?
23:31:05Bagder"If you have questions about redistribution, please contact..."
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23:34:19lostlogicBagder: tried to find an email address for Andrew Welch but had difficulty
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23:36:21BagderI have to admit your tower of rockbox was impressively nice
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23:38:39LloreanBagder: Until Scorche got overly ambitious
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23:40:08Bagderno html zips today either...
23:40:14Bagderdid they break?
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23:40:42tedrockanyone know a tagger for windows that updates the genres for your songs. much like how musicbrainz works (it doenst do genre)
23:41:01Bagderimho, genre tags is useless anyway
23:41:29tedrocki use it for the database for moods and also so i can pick the genre of music i want
23:41:52tedrockdoesnt have to be spot on but it's nice when you just wanna hear some stuff that's related in mood and sound
23:43:34tedrocki know how hard it is to classify music though
23:43:38midkayBagder: hey, wanted to run this by you. i modified the logo to say "open source mp3 player firmware" instead of "jukebox" firmware, since we now support like 500 other targets than the original jukeboxes. :) i got it to look very similar to the original:
23:43:54LloreanI don't like "MP3 player"
23:44:15midkaydigital audio player?
23:44:21LloreanI'd much prefer that
23:44:24BagderI don't think of "jukebox" is strictly bound to a particular target
23:44:27LloreanThough it's just a "Llorean is nitpicky" kinda thing
23:44:35Bagderbut to a box that plays songs
23:44:44*Llorean can agree with that too
23:44:48midkayBagder: nah, but .. well. i always associated it with the archoses, never really seemed to apply to the newer ones.
23:45:00LloreanMost people haven't heard of the newer ones, so don't get any confusion. ;)
23:45:03saratoga"open source audio player"
23:45:04LloreanErr, older ones
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23:45:40PaulJamthe h300 has "multi codec jukebox" written on it.
23:45:59peturindeed it has
23:46:14midkayah, so it does.
23:46:18Bagder... and after this, we can argue if it truly is a "firmware" in all cases... and if so, what exactly does "firmware" mean ;-)
23:46:34midkaywell here it is with 'audio player'.
23:46:38BagderI have that debate regularly at work
23:46:39saratogai agree its not really a firmware generally, but if we say software people will try and put it on a PC
23:47:04saratogai like that one
23:47:05stripwaxis rockbox really just an "audio player" ? ;-)
23:47:14midkayARGH! enough semantics! ;)
23:47:28saratogawe can update it once someone brings mpegplayer into the core
23:49:53midkayby the way Bagder, you better update the summary text on the main page then: "Rockbox is an open source replacement firmware for mp3 players." <−− ALERT! :)
23:50:29BagderI've learned to accept the fact that it is never fully covering, whatever we say
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23:51:41*Bagder runs off to try his pillow until morning
23:52:08midkayBagder: but you just complained about the logo that summarized it to "mp3 player" (which requires summarization, since there's limited space) but not on the main page where you can put thousands of words for a description if you wish? i don't mind if the logo's rejected, but say you don't like it rather than make up a half-excuse. :)
23:52:31BagderI didn't complain on mp3 player
23:52:40LloreanI complained on MP3 player
23:53:31midkayhaha, right, and then bagder argued firmware. :E what's with audio player then? better, or is there simply no way to improve it over 'jukebox'?
23:53:51Bagderand I actually rather stay with the old original rather than trying to craft something new trying to be "accurate" when we really can't anyway so then I think the original wins for being original
23:53:57LloreanI'm really fine with jukebox or audio player, or anything that doesn't sound MP3 centric.
23:54:07LloreanI'm quite fine with the original
23:54:36Bagderbut now I really am leaving, I'm sure we'll continue this later on as well ;-)
23:54:41midkayBagder: ok, i was just thinking it might be a little confusing for newer users. but then again i suppose our firmware isn't exactly oriented toward users unfamiliar with the concept of an mp3 player altogether.
23:54:46midkaynight Bagder.
23:57:52amiconnBoth cf iriver series have 'multi codec jukebox' written on them. Don't know about the h10
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