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| 00:03:19 | linuxstb | amiconn: I have a disk-related question. I've added a basic "−−format" option to ipodpatcher (to format the FAT32 partition). This seems to to work, but I need to write a function to get the disk geometry (number of heads and sectors per track) for Mac OS X, which I can't work out how to do. Do you know if it's safe to assume values of 255 and 63 for all ipods? |
| 00:04:14 | amiconn | CHS doesn't work for >8GB anyway |
| 00:04:29 | amiconn | In this case, the possible maximum should be set |
| 00:05:25 | DerPapst | doesn't mtools get the diskgeometry in macosx? maybe you could use some of their code |
| 00:10:50 | linuxstb | DerPapst: I can only see Linux code for that in mtools |
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| 00:12:56 | DerPapst | mmmh. was just a guess anyways... and that code doen't work at all in macos? afaik the first one who used mtools successfully on his ipod used a mac. |
| 00:13:32 | linuxstb | The command-line posted in the wiki specifies the geometry explicitly. |
| 00:14:31 | DerPapst | linuxstb: yes i know but he get the values from mtools before. don't know which part of mtools though. |
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| 00:17:17 | linuxstb | DerPapst: The code is a Linux ioctl, surrounded by #ifdef OS_linux - there are no alternatives for other OSes. |
| 00:17:29 | * | ender` yawns |
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| 00:18:18 | DerPapst | mhhh... well. |
| 00:18:25 | DerPapst | sorry then... |
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| 00:22:09 | DerPapst | pixelma: contol scheme is better than before. :) |
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| 00:28:18 | pixelma | DerPapst: thanks, nice to have an opinion of an Ipod owner :) |
| 00:29:45 | saratoga | the first argument to splash is how long its displayed for right? |
| 00:29:50 | saratoga | how long is one HZ? |
| 00:31:11 | dionoea | 1 second |
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| 00:32:52 | DerPapst | pixelma: but i'm still not 100% happy with it. but that can't be chaged with the button defines. i think this patch should go into svn :) |
| 00:35:18 | pixelma | what would you want it to do? |
| 00:36:21 | dionoea | add keys to the ipod i guess |
| 00:36:29 | dionoea | </easy way> |
| 00:36:30 | pixelma | hehe |
| 00:36:40 | saratoga | I could use some advice on how to trouble shoot this problem |
| 00:37:03 | saratoga | i've updated a viewer, and can load a file with it, but hte plugin itself never loads |
| 00:37:15 | saratoga | i just get a "cannot open plugin.rocks" splash |
| 00:37:29 | saratoga | and my splash in the first line of the plugin never gets run |
| 00:37:32 | DerPapst | use menu for up, play for down, long play for info (so far only define changes) and scrolling ff or rew scrolls through the entire field (from left to right, from top to bottom). |
| 00:37:35 | linuxstb | safetydan: What does your line in viewers.config look like? |
| 00:37:40 | saratoga | the .rocks file does get built |
| 00:37:40 | linuxstb | (sorry, saratoga:) |
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| 00:38:09 | saratoga | wma,viewers/wma2wav,- |
| 00:38:33 | saratoga | should that "viewers/" not be inthere? |
| 00:39:13 | linuxstb | And the splash says it can't open "plugin.rocks" ? |
| 00:39:19 | saratoga | no sorry |
| 00:39:26 | saratoga | wma2wav.rocks |
| 00:39:46 | linuxstb | rocks or rock ? |
| 00:39:56 | saratoga | err, "/.rockbox/viewers/wma2wav.rock" |
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| 00:40:09 | linuxstb | And the file is there? |
| 00:40:12 | saratoga | yes |
| 00:40:53 | saratoga | i'm using linux if this makes any difference at all |
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| 00:43:26 | linuxstb | saratoga: And there are no messages displayed in your shell which could help? |
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| 00:47:06 | DerPapst | pixelma: read what i said about the way i would like to see the button defines in minesweeper? |
| 00:48:39 | markun | Llorean: are you there? |
| 00:49:18 | pixelma | DerPapst: yup, not sure if I'd be able to code that up (not in the near future at least, would have to learn some c before...) ;) |
| 00:50:09 | saratoga | linuxstb: thanks, theres a message about an undefined symbol and i'm pretty sure i know why |
| 00:51:24 | DerPapst | pixelma: same here... staring at the source code right now ;) |
| 00:51:38 | DerPapst | minesweeper is a bit more complex than 1D tetris |
| 00:52:08 | DerPapst | well .. not true... arguing with someone in #ipl -.- |
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| 00:58:02 | linuxstb | saratoga: So are you about to do your first speed test on a target? |
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| 01:06:27 | DerPapst | linuxstb: nice comitt :) |
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| 01:08:54 | preglow | speed test? |
| 01:09:01 | * | preglow scans log' |
| 01:10:58 | saratoga | linuxstb: i'm hoping to get to that point today |
| 01:11:01 | saratoga | not sure if i will though |
| 01:11:22 | markun | would be pretty cool to have wma playback already |
| 01:11:28 | saratoga | this plugin I'm trying to use is a huge mess |
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| 01:12:00 | saratoga | i think rockbox is going to be the hard part, i'm not so good at programming, at least compared to math |
| 01:12:06 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:12:22 | preglow | at least with the rockbox part theres plenty of help to get compared to the dsp, heh |
| 01:13:36 | markun | and preglow will probably do the asm optimisations as usual :) |
| 01:13:40 | preglow | heh |
| 01:14:06 | preglow | we'll see |
| 01:15:00 | preglow | saratoga: i feel kind of bad for not being around too much when i should be mentoring, please just mail me/google talk me whatever if you're wondering about anything. i check that more often than irc |
| 01:15:21 | preglow | summer arrived and i'm in demand with various people |
| 01:16:08 | preglow | but definitely anyway, rockbox integration > speedy codec |
| 01:18:32 | saratoga | preglow: thanks |
| 01:19:13 | preglow | but anyway, do whatever keeps your motivation up. i know i definitely gain more of that if i can just optimise stuff for a couple of days, heh |
| 01:19:24 | preglow | but then again, i am weird |
| 01:19:33 | saratoga | yeah i just need to get to the point where i can run something in rockbox |
| 01:19:45 | saratoga | i hate being stuck unable to run anything |
| 01:19:53 | preglow | yeah, i can imagine |
| 01:22:20 | Llorean | markun: I'm here now |
| 01:22:38 | * | linuxstb points optimistically to a Monkey's Audio decoder in need of Coldfire attention if anyone is bored... |
| 01:22:50 | preglow | i happen to not be bored right now, heh |
| 01:23:04 | preglow | i also happen to never use monkeys audio, and speex needs attention first |
| 01:23:18 | preglow | too much stuff needs attention, i'm hoping for more rockbox time |
| 01:23:45 | saratoga | what is the difference between using rb->strcpy and just calling strcpy? |
| 01:23:59 | linuxstb | strcpy doesn't exist in plugins |
| 01:24:01 | preglow | well, for one, you shouldnt be able to call strcpy straight |
| 01:24:05 | preglow | unless youre using the sim |
| 01:24:09 | preglow | on target, forget it |
| 01:24:14 | saratoga | codecs can though? |
| 01:24:16 | preglow | god, these lappy keyboards suck |
| 01:24:17 | preglow | nope |
| 01:24:52 | preglow | ahh, unless theyre in some kind of codec lib |
| 01:24:54 | preglow | and they might be |
| 01:25:06 | preglow | haven't got the rb source here right now, so can't check |
| 01:25:40 | saratoga | ah yeah codeclib has one |
| 01:25:49 | amiconn | preglow: viewvc is your friend.. |
| 01:26:29 | saratoga | so the ci struct is for codecs and the rb struct is for plugins? |
| 01:26:47 | linuxstb | Yes - see plugin.h and codecs.h |
| 01:27:20 | markun | Llorean: the only unassigned button press on the gigabeat remote is long-press on the speaker button, use if for the quickmenu? |
| 01:27:30 | scorche | markun: good timing =) |
| 01:27:38 | scorche | oh...i see it above >_> |
| 01:28:23 | Llorean | markun: As long as the quickmenu works from the remote, sure. The Shuffle and Repeat options seem ideal for the remote, I think. Maybe. |
| 01:28:58 | * | amiconn thinks the quickmenu no longer deserve its name |
| 01:29:11 | linuxstb | scorche, Llorean: Who's who in the devconwest team photo? |
| 01:29:18 | saratoga | another question, the old wma decoder includes plugin.h, but this causes it to not compile with error "rockboxlogo.h: No such file or directory" |
| 01:29:24 | scorche | linuxstb: i am putting that up right now |
| 01:29:54 | markun | amiconn: I never use it myself |
| 01:30:10 | saratoga | without it, i get a runtime error because "ck: undefined symbol ci", presumably because that include is missing |
| 01:30:38 | amiconn | ci needs to be defined in your codec |
| 01:30:45 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, but i'm lazy and very used to "cd, ls and vim" :) |
| 01:31:11 | saratoga | amiconn: I figured it was #included somewhere, let me look into this |
| 01:31:34 | Llorean | linuxstb: In the back: Toffe, Me, Soap, Joely. In the front: HCS, Scorche, Lostlogic |
| 01:31:55 | pixelma | well... |
| 01:32:35 | preglow | Llorean: you can't even make the flash based video feed work? :P |
| 01:32:40 | linuxstb | saratoga: Is it a plugin or codec including plugin.h ? |
| 01:33:06 | scorche | linuxstb: page updated |
| 01:33:11 | scorche | more pictures coming soon |
| 01:33:25 | saratoga | linuxstb: sort of both |
| 01:33:37 | saratoga | its a plugin that calls the half finished codec |
| 01:33:46 | saratoga | evidently it worked last summer |
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| 01:34:00 | preglow | things tend to change... |
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| 01:34:38 | saratoga | so codec.c declares a "codec_api ci" variable |
| 01:34:54 | saratoga | do i need to delcare that as an extern variable in the codec or something else? |
| 01:35:38 | amiconn | No, the codec has to define a struct codec_api * |
| 01:35:43 | linuxstb | codec.c is used by core Rockbox to call codecs. You include codec.h in your codec, and the codec_main() function is called by the core, passing a codec_api struct. |
| 01:35:52 | amiconn | You can call it whatever you want, ci is by convention |
| 01:36:21 | amiconn | The pointer is passed, not the struct... |
| 01:36:51 | linuxstb | saratoga: But it sounds like you're just making life hard for yourself by writing a plugin which looks like a codec... If I was you, I would remove any references to the codec API, and just concentrate on getting it working as a simple wma2wav plugin. |
| 01:37:19 | saratoga | linuxstb: that sounds reasonnible, i hate the current code anyway |
| 01:37:30 | saratoga | it works nicely on linux now, what am i likely to need to change? |
| 01:37:31 | preglow | indeed |
| 01:37:41 | amiconn | linuxstb: Wouldn't it be better to make it a real codec instead? |
| 01:37:50 | preglow | for testing, plugins are best |
| 01:37:54 | preglow | at least afaik |
| 01:38:12 | amiconn | Is that still true? We have test_codec.rock now |
| 01:38:20 | scorche | aww..petur isnt here to find out we are trying the chimay red =P |
| 01:38:20 | linuxstb | A real codec is harder than a plugin - especially when you're first adapting standalone code for Rockbox. |
| 01:39:12 | saratoga | so to get the linux code working, i'll likely need to change the remaining malloc stuff to use the codeclib one, and change a lot of c library calls to use the rb struct functions? |
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| 01:39:40 | preglow | scorche: hell, was that shit already stocked in the minibar or did you bring it? |
| 01:39:51 | preglow | the first sounds really unlikely |
| 01:40:01 | scorche | preglow: we found red and blue in a grocery store |
| 01:40:12 | preglow | chimay in the grocery store... |
| 01:40:16 | preglow | why do i live here? |
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| 01:41:24 | scorche | haha...dont ask me |
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| 01:41:44 | preglow | the answer is because i'm a fool |
| 01:41:59 | preglow | with no proper sense of priority |
| 01:42:36 | preglow | saratoga: btw, how far from ffmpeg svn are you currently? |
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| 01:44:03 | scorche | mmm...i approve...has a nice little twist in the taste at the end |
| 01:44:08 | saratoga | preglow: lightyears |
| 01:44:24 | preglow | saratoga: as in marsdaddys last patch? |
| 01:44:40 | saratoga | i started with that, and then drifted farther |
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| 01:45:29 | saratoga | merging back into ffmpeg will probably mean going line by line and converting their code to fixed point, using what i have now as an example |
| 01:45:40 | preglow | heh |
| 01:46:06 | preglow | why oh why did the ffmpeg wma fixed point dude disappear |
| 01:46:15 | saratoga | it actually might not be too bad if i could get the SVN ffmpeg code to work at all |
| 01:46:46 | preglow | ahh, yeah, you've still got that problem |
| 01:46:46 | saratoga | as far as I'm concerned, this code is better anyway since it has a lot less of ffmpeg's wrappers and abstractions in place |
| 01:47:11 | saratoga | theres only 1 or 2 functional changes they've made that look interesting to us |
| 01:47:33 | saratoga | the rest is stuff so they can reuse code with their wma encoder and other codecs |
| 01:47:36 | preglow | i don't really care as long as the codec changes themselves are in |
| 01:48:13 | saratoga | i will have to go through again to look at that |
| 01:48:39 | saratoga | i'm not too concerned right now though, since i've got MS's sample WMAs playing fine, 32, 64 and 128k all work |
| 01:51:50 | preglow | which is more than i would have expected, heh |
| 01:52:08 | saratoga | don't worry, i'm sure theres all sorts of weird files that will break it |
| 01:52:16 | saratoga | 20kbps files already do! |
| 01:52:56 | preglow | pffft, who cares! |
| 01:54:25 | saratoga | my goal is just to get 128k working, then i guess they'll be a long period of fixing things once we add the codec and the forums fill with sansa users complaining |
| 01:55:01 | preglow | hahaha |
| 01:55:32 | saratoga | can i just add a subdirectory in the plugins folder, and then a reference to it in the SUBDIRS folder? |
| 01:55:45 | saratoga | then it'll find the makefile in that directory? |
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| 01:56:01 | preglow | i think so, but i've never really tried |
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| 02:00:41 | linuxstb | saratoga: Yes, but you'll obviously need to create the Makefile for your plugin yourself. |
| 02:00:58 | * | linuxstb spots a libasf.[ch] in vlc that could be useful |
| 02:01:50 | saratoga | vlc? |
| 02:01:57 | saratoga | the media player? |
| 02:02:01 | linuxstb | Yes |
| 02:02:33 | saratoga | i'll look at it |
| 02:02:56 | saratoga | also, i defined a debug macro on the PC, now I'd like to have those macros do nothing |
| 02:03:06 | saratoga | is there someway i can redefine them to a null statement? |
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| 02:04:05 | saratoga | will #define dbprintf(args...) " work? |
| 02:04:06 | BHSPitLappy | what's up, #rockbox |
| 02:04:19 | saratoga | or do i actually have to consume the arguments somehow? |
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| 02:04:43 | DerPapst | saratoga: you mean something like #ifndef ? |
| 02:04:46 | linuxstb | saratoga: There's also a libasf here - http://code.google.com/p/libasf/source |
| 02:05:24 | saratoga | DerPapst: basically my code is literally with macros that print out debug info, i'd like to make them not do anything when compiled for rockbox |
| 02:06:57 | linuxstb | saratoga: The line "#define dbprintf(...)" should work |
| 02:06:59 | markun | saratoga: doesn't DEBUG( ... ) do what you want? |
| 02:07:04 | DerPapst | ah.. |
| 02:07:33 | DerPapst | #if 0 then? |
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| 02:08:26 | scorche | more pictures added |
| 02:08:41 | saratoga | markun: i actually have no idea what DEBUG does |
| 02:09:44 | saratoga | i like the chemey |
| 02:09:49 | saratoga | good taste |
| 02:10:02 | scorche | s/chemey/chimay |
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| 02:10:29 | saratoga | the Heinkien seems more questionable though |
| 02:10:37 | markun | saratoga: look at apps/codecs.h |
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| 02:15:08 | saratoga | is it ok for me to comment out the other codecs while i'm testing? they take forever to compile |
| 02:15:46 | amiconn | As long as you don't change them, they won't compile again |
| 02:16:30 | * | amiconn also wonders who calls <1 minute "forever" |
| 02:16:53 | amiconn | Unless you're building on cygwin, but even then it shouldn't be more than 3..5 minutes |
| 02:16:58 | DerPapst | cygwin. > 2 minutes |
| 02:17:21 | preglow | geh |
| 02:17:25 | preglow | cygwin... |
| 02:17:32 | pixelma | he said he's on linux... |
| 02:17:41 | DerPapst | well then... |
| 02:17:50 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I tried building codecs with -O2 - nsf.codec then fails with "region PLUGIN_IRAM is full" :( |
| 02:18:18 | amiconn | (on coldfire) |
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| 02:20:47 | ze | http://hardocp.com/images/news/1166217802IurSrI6yob_1_1_l.jpg |
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| 02:25:59 | jhMikeS | amiconn: is nsf hit bad with -Os too? spc was the only one that I saw negatively affected. |
| 02:26:14 | amiconn | I don't know... |
| 02:26:15 | * | jhMikeS has never tried using nsf |
| 02:26:26 | * | Mouser_X uses it occasionally. |
| 02:26:28 | * | amiconn has no track of either format to test with |
| 02:26:44 | * | Mouser_X uses SPCs more frequently. |
| 02:26:50 | jhMikeS | some googling will find some quickly :) |
| 02:27:23 | preglow | looks like a cool place |
| 02:27:51 | preglow | woop, wrong window |
| 02:29:06 | linuxstb | The 4KB samples[] array in nsf.c looks like it might be movable to the stack - that could help the IRAM problem. |
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| 02:29:32 | preglow | jhMikeS: weren't you going to devconwest? |
| 02:29:33 | amiconn | amiconn->sleep(); |
| 02:29:36 | jhMikeS | nsf needs more IRAM than spc? spc has it to spare |
| 02:30:09 | hcs | lots of tables, I think |
| 02:30:37 | linuxstb | No, I think it's ICODE - only one table is in IRAM. |
| 02:30:43 | jhMikeS | preglow: I wasn't able to obligate to it unfortunately. I hope next year I'll be in a better position if there is one. :( Too much going on that I can't really need to attend to right now. |
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| 02:31:27 | saratoga | linuxstb: i can't get that define trick to work |
| 02:31:29 | jhMikeS | s/I can't/<blank> |
| 02:31:34 | saratoga | it leaves the arguments in place |
| 02:31:42 | saratoga | and just removes the function call around them |
| 02:31:49 | preglow | jhMikeS: can relate to that |
| 02:32:48 | jhMikeS | small repetitive routines don't really benefit from IRAM much...the DSP functions get no speed increase from it since the code will be cached. |
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| 02:35:44 | lostlogic | everyone use profont. |
| 02:35:56 | preglow | acknowledged |
| 02:36:14 | linuxstb | apt-get install profont |
| 02:36:20 | lostlogic | added it ot rockbox. |
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| 02:38:44 | preglow | time for a bedtime-whisky |
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| 02:39:06 | preglow | which is probably going to last me way past my bedtime :/ |
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| 02:46:16 | linuxstb | lostlogic: Are you sure the licensing for profont is OK for Rockbox? It seems to be a "free for non-commercial use" type of license from what I can see. |
| 02:47:40 | lostlogic | it looked like it was just plain free |
| 02:47:47 | lostlogic | Paul and I were lookin' |
| 02:48:23 | Llorean | linuxstb: The only license I could find described it as "freeware" |
| 02:48:50 | linuxstb | See the file profontdoc.txt in http://www.tobiasjung.net/download.php?file=MProFont.zip - which I think we now need to include in Rockbox distributions IIUC. |
| 02:49:17 | markun | linuxstb: but the fonts are downloaded separately, so perhaps it's no problem to have a different license for them? |
| 02:49:38 | linuxstb | And it only talks about distributing unmodified versions afaics. |
| 02:50:40 | linuxstb | Hence we have no right to modify them - which at least isn't in the spirit of Rockbox. |
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| 02:52:49 | lostlogic | the pcf version doesn't even include that file they mentioned |
| 02:52:56 | lostlogic | so I don't think ew are remotely responsible for including it |
| 02:53:07 | lostlogic | honestly I think we're in the clear or I wouldn't have included it |
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| 02:57:11 | saratoga | any idea why make clean doesn't end up calling the clean: command in my plugin? |
| 02:57:17 | saratoga | do i need to regsiter that somewhere? |
| 02:57:31 | preglow | don't think so |
| 02:57:41 | linuxstb | make clean just does "rm -fr" now |
| 02:58:00 | linuxstb | (it was too slow to run all the make clean rules) |
| 02:58:16 | saratoga | thats odd |
| 02:58:36 | saratoga | i've listed my subdirectory in the SUBDIR folder |
| 02:58:40 | saratoga | is there anything else to do? |
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| 02:58:55 | DerPapst | gcc -o sleep.c sleep && ./sleep −−DerPapst |
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| 02:59:15 | lostlogic | saratoga: what clean command are you trying to do? |
| 02:59:25 | lostlogic | the build process should never touch the source dirs |
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| 03:00:12 | saratoga | tahts it then |
| 03:00:20 | saratoga | i'm building the stuff in place with my make file |
| 03:00:25 | lostlogic | ::shakehead:: |
| 03:00:26 | lostlogic | ;) |
| 03:01:13 | preglow | haha |
| 03:01:43 | preglow | lostlogic: anywho, you guys have fun |
| 03:01:45 | preglow | bedtime for me |
| 03:01:51 | lostlogic | nightio |
| 03:01:58 | preglow | good night |
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| 03:04:29 | * | midkay wants to try profont-14 but has to wait for the package to be rebuilt in many hours |
| 03:04:38 | midkay | someone should put .fnt copies up somewhere temporarily.. |
| 03:04:51 | lostlogic | midkay: I will, I have them on my server any way |
| 03:05:00 | midkay | yes! |
| 03:05:42 | lostlogic | midkay: http://test.lostlogicx.com/transfer/profont-x11 |
| 03:05:47 | scorche | midkay: it is a nice font |
| 03:06:00 | midkay | lostlogic: thanks |
| 03:06:24 | midkay | lostlogic: forbidden atm, still uploading or so? |
| 03:06:33 | lostlogic | hmm, I must suck, 1s |
| 03:06:45 | lostlogic | now? |
| 03:06:58 | midkay | yep, thanks. |
| 03:07:16 | midkay | 12.. and 15? oh.. i thought there was a 14.. well well.. |
| 03:08:30 | lostlogic | tey may need renaming, because they are different sizes than other fonts with those numbers, I think. |
| 03:09:41 | linuxstb | lostlogic: Sorry to go back to the license, but my understanding is that if you converted the font from pcf files, and those pcf files came with no license, then you have no right to redistribute them. |
| 03:09:41 | midkay | ah, i see. pretty nice, but *sticks with nimbus-14 or whatever* |
| 03:09:46 | midkay | 29's pretty big. |
| 03:10:04 | lostlogic | hehe |
| 03:10:11 | scorche | it is actually nice looking though, as opposed to many of our current big fonts |
| 03:10:25 | midkay | scorche: sure is.. |
| 03:10:36 | lostlogic | linuxstb: hmm... IANAL, will suck them back out if you think it's necessary :( |
| 03:10:58 | linuxstb | lostlogic: I'ld like to hear Bagder's opinion on it... |
| 03:11:14 | lostlogic | is he sleepin' or just not around ATM? |
| 03:11:25 | linuxstb | sleeping I expect. |
| 03:11:31 | Llorean | linuxstb: My understanding is that the original font was "shareware", someone approached the original author when the old installer wouldn't run anymore and got permission to release it as "freeware", and that's where it stands. Vague terms. |
| 03:11:47 | lostlogic | very. |
| 03:11:59 | Llorean | I think the real concern ends up being what the original author meant, not what terms the new maintainer means by it, too. |
| 03:12:01 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes, that's the text I read. But that text says you must include that text file with distributions. |
| 03:12:03 | lostlogic | plus the pcf versoin is already a modified version of the original |
| 03:12:10 | lostlogic | as is the 'tweaked' version |
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| 03:12:17 | lostlogic | which is available on that Tobias dude's site. |
| 03:13:00 | lostlogic | scorche says "just cuz he does it doesn't make it right" |
| 03:14:02 | Llorean | Maybe we should just contact the original author? |
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| 03:22:19 | saratoga | i'm looking at the chessbox makefile as an example, and I really have no idea what any of that means |
| 03:22:32 | saratoga | could someone help me through it? |
| 03:22:34 | JdGordon | http://users.monash.edu.au/~jdgor1/rockbox-fonts.zip (in about a minute) has all the new fonts if anyone wants them |
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| 03:23:11 | linuxstb | saratoga: You should just be able to copy and paste a Makefile. |
| 03:24:11 | linuxstb | saratoga: Sudoku may be an easier example - it uses a SOURCES file, so you just need to put your files in there, and probably just search and replace "sudoku" to "wma2wav" in the Makefile |
| 03:24:20 | saratoga | i'll try that |
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| 03:26:44 | * | linuxstb reads the devconwest page and wonders if anything is happening apart from food, beer and arcades ;) |
| 03:27:41 | scorche | lots of talking |
| 03:27:47 | scorche | and laughing =) |
| 03:27:53 | Llorean | linuxstb: There's been a lot of talk both about what we can do about the WPS gallery (all the unsupported/broken/unlicensed themes, and just the sort of sprawl to it), as well as some discussion about what (we at least) think about RButil |
| 03:27:58 | scorche | and other misc things that werent really an "event" |
| 03:28:01 | Llorean | Specifically, "what is it" since there's some question in that area. |
| 03:28:40 | linuxstb | Removing the WPS gallery would seem a simple solution (leaving rockbox-themes.org) |
| 03:28:48 | scorche | linuxstb: when devcon is over, i will compile my notes into a readable version for those who werent here much like they did for euro, so you will see a bit then ;) |
| 03:28:59 | Llorean | linuxstb: We have no control, at all, over rockbox-themes.org. |
| 03:29:12 | linuxstb | Llorean: Is that a problem though? |
| 03:29:16 | Llorean | I'm not sure it is. |
| 03:29:25 | Llorean | But we were working on the assumption that there will be an official WPS gallery |
| 03:29:36 | Llorean | I don't think anybody thought of that, but it is a possibility for sure. |
| 03:30:35 | JdGordon | well, rbutil seems to make rockbox-themes look official |
| 03:30:46 | Llorean | Yeah, which is somewhat unfortunate. |
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| 03:31:08 | lostlogic | our vague plan is to make an actual official themes site that will be rbutil compat |
| 03:31:11 | Llorean | We were talking about having an rockbox-themes like page on the site, that runs them through the validator and a basic "Does the .cfg file have these lines" checklist. |
| 03:31:11 | lostlogic | ible |
| 03:31:12 | linuxstb | Personally, I would like to see rockbox-themes become official - it's a much better way of organising themes than the wiki. |
| 03:31:19 | lostlogic | right. |
| 03:31:49 | scorche | so this will basically be an official version of that site |
| 03:32:07 | JdGordon | why cant that site be the official version of that site? |
| 03:32:45 | Llorean | Well, I haven't seen any real interest in RedBreva making it official (from his end) |
| 03:33:08 | Llorean | As well, will he go through the effort to maintain copyright issues and licensing issues? |
| 03:33:15 | linuxstb | I haven't seen him around much, or any discussions with him about making it official. |
| 03:33:36 | Llorean | linuxstb: I'm pretty sure the *original* plan was for his site to be the official |
| 03:33:48 | Llorean | Whatever the official site is needs to be fairly actively, and openly, maintained. |
| 03:33:53 | linuxstb | I assume it was, as he's using the official html/css |
| 03:34:45 | scorche | if you are interested, i can post a link to my extremely rough draft of our summaries...they will be cleaned up post-devcon....as i said, they are extremely rough and i am not sure how much someone who wasnt here will get off of them, as well as the blank spaes that are in all of our heads |
| 03:35:05 | scorche | linuxstb: that was one of the things we concluded...to ask him to remove the sidebar to prevent confusion |
| 03:35:44 | JdGordon | mostly because the links are all changed! |
| 03:35:57 | JdGordon | that confuesed me heaps last time I went browsing there |
| 03:36:07 | JdGordon | went to click curent build and got some other random site :p |
| 03:36:16 | Llorean | One thing we'd like is to have a human verification step on submitted themes. Just make sure there's a .txt file saying that it's under a license that we're happy with for Themes, and doesn't look like it's copyright infringing. |
| 03:36:35 | scorche | scorche.cleansoap.org/rockbox/DevconTopics.txt">http://scorche.cleansoap.org/rockbox/DevconTopics.txt |
| 03:36:37 | * | linuxstb visits rockbox-themes.org and notices it now looks completely different |
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| 03:36:46 | scorche | those are the rough notes...keep in mind they are extremely rough |
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| 03:38:40 | linuxstb | JdGordon: You want to rewrite Rockbox (apps/) from scratch? ;) |
| 03:39:14 | JdGordon | hypothetical discussion.... |
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| 03:39:37 | JdGordon | but yes, sort of... I've been mostly taslked out of it by now though |
| 03:39:38 | linuxstb | One thing I've noticed is that lack of modularity - every file seems to #include every .h file... |
| 03:51:27 | Llorean | linuxstb: I think the most important bit is that rbutil needs to point to something that's an official site that follows the copyright guidelines DevCon Euro decided on. Some place "we" have more control over. |
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| 04:13:42 | saratoga | my plugin quits with an "incompatable model" error message |
| 04:13:45 | saratoga | ideas? |
| 04:15:41 | Llorean | I've often typed the wrong number when building. |
| 04:15:47 | Llorean | Are you 100% sure you build for the right player? |
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| 04:17:05 | saratoga | i'd forgotten the PLUGIN_HEADER macro |
| 04:17:21 | Llorean | Ah, that's an important one too. |
| 04:17:31 | saratoga | we should update the PLUGINAPI file to mention it |
| 04:17:42 | saratoga | looking over it, i'd say it hasn't been updated in quite a long time |
| 04:18:00 | Llorean | Entirely possible |
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| 04:18:40 | saratoga | well i got a plugin to run |
| 04:18:51 | saratoga | it crashes before writing anyting to the disk, but its a start |
| 04:18:56 | saratoga | have fun at devcon |
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| 04:35:46 | lostlogic | the webcam has completely defeated 2.5 of us, we appologize. |
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| 04:57:14 | Mouser_X | "We all officially hate the camera" Heh. |
| 04:57:21 | Mouser_X | Too bad. |
| 04:57:41 | Llorean | It provides absolutely no feedback to tell you what's going wrong. |
| 04:57:46 | Llorean | It just doesn't work, and doesn't tell you why |
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| 06:01:52 | ptw419 | sounds the the gigabeat S? |
| 06:02:25 | Llorean | Hm? |
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| 08:11:17 | iamtowel | hello everyon |
| 08:11:19 | iamtowel | e* |
| 08:11:24 | iamtowel | anyone awake? |
| 08:12:52 | jurrie | oui |
| 08:16:02 | iamtowel | so i'm installing rockbox for the first time |
| 08:16:10 | iamtowel | i'm really excited |
| 08:16:32 | iamtowel | but i feel like i have no idea what i'm doing |
| 08:17:10 | iamtowel | i just added it to my sansa e200 |
| 08:17:22 | iamtowel | but now it doesn't auto detect in windows media player |
| 08:17:37 | Llorean | turn off the player, and plug in USB while it's turned off. |
| 08:17:44 | iamtowel | hmm |
| 08:17:45 | iamtowel | k |
| 08:17:47 | iamtowel | one sec |
| 08:18:36 | iamtowel | okay so when that happens, it boots to the sansa loader? |
| 08:18:40 | iamtowel | sweet |
| 08:18:45 | iamtowel | thx |
| 08:18:50 | iamtowel | lemme play around here a bit |
| 08:19:08 | iamtowel | i'm really hoping to get this set up like this vid i saw on youtube |
| 08:19:24 | iamtowel | where this guy was running a GBA emulator in his apps |
| 08:19:36 | jurrie | should be doable |
| 08:19:40 | Llorean | There is no GBA emulator |
| 08:19:52 | iamtowel | hmm |
| 08:19:58 | jurrie | I haven't tried any GameBoy stuff |
| 08:19:59 | iamtowel | lemme find the vid to reference |
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| 08:20:50 | jurrie | "regular" gameboy |
| 08:20:50 | jurrie | Pacman (you supply the ROM files), and a slew of native games work |
| 08:21:11 | iamtowel | http://youtube.com/watch?v=9m0lIm8dSTc |
| 08:21:23 | Llorean | Rockboy is Gameboy and Gameboy color |
| 08:21:36 | Mouser_X | Indeed. |
| 08:21:41 | Mouser_X | Lots of fun too. |
| 08:22:01 | iamtowel | wait i see |
| 08:22:04 | iamtowel | yep i'm an idio |
| 08:22:07 | iamtowel | t* |
| 08:22:12 | iamtowel | okay, i see it's not GBA |
| 08:22:16 | iamtowel | still, it's gbc |
| 08:23:56 | Mouser_X | It'd be awesome if someone figured out a way to make it multiplayer... |
| 08:24:12 | Mouser_X | (No, that's not going to happen, but it would still be cool...) |
| 08:24:31 | jurrie | next you'll want DS support |
| 08:24:35 | jurrie | and Wii |
| 08:24:51 | iamtowel | well, if wii were possible, who would baulk at that? :) |
| 08:24:51 | Mouser_X | Someone already asked HCS for GCN support. |
| 08:25:00 | Mouser_X | (No joke, they did actually ask for it.) |
| 08:25:13 | iamtowel | i no nothing of the programming aspects |
| 08:25:23 | Mouser_X | (They weren't serious when they asked though...) |
| 08:25:29 | iamtowel | but i am looking forward to enjoying the fruits of many other people's labours |
| 08:25:37 | iamtowel | i know* nothing of the... |
| 08:25:53 | Mouser_X | HCS is making GBS player for Rockbox. |
| 08:26:01 | Mouser_X | Apparently, it's running. |
| 08:26:04 | Mouser_X | :) |
| 08:26:17 | iamtowel | is there an snes player for rockbox? |
| 08:26:24 | Mouser_X | (GBS = Gameboy audio) |
| 08:26:32 | Mouser_X | There's a SPC player, but no SNES emu. |
| 08:26:33 | iamtowel | (i'm dreaming, bare with me) |
| 08:26:37 | iamtowel | right |
| 08:26:40 | iamtowel | shucks |
| 08:26:48 | iamtowel | having an spc player is kinda like a tease |
| 08:26:50 | iamtowel | :P |
| 08:26:51 | iamtowel | it's like |
| 08:26:54 | iamtowel | okay, you can listen |
| 08:26:58 | iamtowel | but you can't play |
| 08:26:59 | Mouser_X | (HCS ported the SPC player to Rockbox as well.) |
| 08:27:18 | jurrie | lots of stuff is *theoretically* possible.... but, they would require more souped up hardware. Remember, the hardware platforms are intended to play back (primarily) mp3 audio files |
| 08:27:24 | Mouser_X | For me, that's all I ask. It's not like I actually play the games I listen too... |
| 08:27:51 | Mouser_X | jurrie: The Gigabeat S has a 533 mhz CPU. |
| 08:27:56 | Mouser_X | Imagine what that can do... |
| 08:28:16 | iamtowel | man i would love a gigabeat |
| 08:28:26 | * | Mouser_X has a Gigabeat F40. |
| 08:28:28 | iamtowel | the native interface for its firmware is actually quite nice |
| 08:28:33 | iamtowel | i hadnt seen one before |
| 08:28:36 | iamtowel | and bought this sansa |
| 08:28:40 | iamtowel | had i realized |
| 08:28:46 | Mouser_X | I never saw the Original Firmware... |
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| 08:28:48 | iamtowel | i would have got the gigabeat in a heartbeat |
| 08:28:57 | konek | hi |
| 08:29:02 | Mouser_X | I installed Rockbox the second I powered up my Gigabeat... |
| 08:29:04 | iamtowel | hi konek |
| 08:29:27 | konek | if as instal rockbox, i must deinstal my music from ipod |
| 08:29:33 | konek | sorry for my english :) |
| 08:29:36 | Mouser_X | Not so. |
| 08:29:52 | Soap | no, rockbox can play music loaded by itunes |
| 08:29:57 | Mouser_X | You can keep the music from your iPod, on the iPod, and Rockbox will play it. |
| 08:30:11 | Mouser_X | However, the filenames are completely destroyed. |
| 08:30:28 | konek | ok, thx :) |
| 08:31:27 | Mouser_X | iamtowel: I was thinking about buying the iPod, with using Rockbox in mind. I came here, and asked around for suggestions, and markun suggested the Gigabeat. I'm glad he did. |
| 08:31:44 | Mouser_X | (In other words, I did a *little* research first...) |
| 08:32:15 | iamtowel | yeah, that's super cool |
| 08:32:18 | iamtowel | i love the gigabeat |
| 08:32:26 | iamtowel | though the friend who bought it |
| 08:32:30 | iamtowel | had his crash recently |
| 08:32:40 | Mouser_X | iamtowel: Put everything on one line. |
| 08:33:09 | Mouser_X | It makes it easier to read, and creates less white-space. Thus, clogging up the logs less. |
| 08:33:12 | iamtowel | sorry; i'm in instant messaging mind right now |
| 08:34:18 | Mouser_X | Mainly, I'm pointing out that at the *very* least, you should have one sentance be on one line... Not split up into 3 lines, for one sentance... |
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| 08:37:22 | jurrie | be sure you check the codecs required by your existing audio files, not all formats are supported by Rockbox.... most notably Apple's DRM AAC |
| 08:38:38 | iamtowel | does rockbox support flac and ogg by defaul? |
| 08:38:43 | scorche | yes |
| 08:38:48 | iamtowel | man, i'm forgetting the ends of the words... default* |
| 08:38:57 | jurrie | mp3 and ogg Vorbis work very well |
| 08:38:57 | jurrie | yes |
| 08:40:13 | Mouser_X | iamtowel: My favorite formats supported by Rockbox: ADX, MP3 (duh!), SPC, and NSF(e). |
| 08:40:29 | Mouser_X | I use OGG occasionally as well. |
| 08:40:59 | iamtowel | mouser_x: you mentioned SPC before... that's a plugin and not native, right? or does it play SPC straight out of the box? |
| 08:41:27 | Mouser_X | Straight out of "the box." |
| 08:41:38 | Mouser_X | Along with NSF and ADX. |
| 08:42:04 | scorche | iamtowel: all plugins that work according to our specifications are included in each build...not many working plugins at all are available that you dont get in the build |
| 08:42:33 | scorche | so everything that we say rockbox does (unless we say requires a patch), it will do "out of the box" |
| 08:43:23 | iamtowel | cool; thanks for the clarification, guys... i guess i'm just coming into this thinking of it like foobar2000 player |
| 08:43:46 | iamtowel | and with f2k its all plugins that you have to choose and whatnot |
| 08:44:12 | * | Mouser_X uses Winamp. |
| 08:44:43 | Mouser_X | Interestingly, my use of Winamp has sevearly decreased since I got my Gigabeat... |
| 08:46:41 | Presence | Yay, shows over. |
| 08:46:44 | iamtowel | i used to use winamp ages ago, but ceased doing so based on the ram requirements... i found it used far too much ram for me |
| 08:46:47 | Presence | Scorche, mind if I cruse by? |
| 08:47:12 | iamtowel | i switched to f2k simply based on the ram usage on my crappy celeron work pc |
| 08:47:19 | Presence | put in a thingie at the front gate for "Paul Gorman"? |
| 08:47:37 | Presence | or ya'll give up for the night? |
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| 08:55:41 | iamtowel | hmmm |
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| 08:56:07 | iamtowel | crap; sorry... i'm still getting used to throwing stuff onto one line. how can i enable album art? |
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| 08:58:35 | Mouser_X | iamtowel: Album Art isn't part of Rockbox. |
| 08:58:49 | Mouser_X | You need to compile/build your own copy using a patch, to get that. |
| 08:59:25 | Mouser_X | Or, you could download an unsupported/unofficial build. You can find those in the forums. I don't go to the forums, so I don't know where to find them, beyond that. |
| 08:59:58 | iamtowel | i'm going to have to do some digging it appears... thanks, mouser |
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| 09:02:11 | iamtowel | when the acronym "WPS" is used on the site, what is this referring to? |
| 09:02:29 | JdGordon | while playing screen |
| 09:02:40 | konek | How long battery holds on Rockbox ? ;] |
| 09:03:25 | Mouser_X | konek: On the iPod? Not long. |
| 09:03:26 | iamtowel | awesome, thanks JdG... |
| 09:03:52 | konek | on iPod Video 30GB |
| 09:03:54 | Mouser_X | konek: I've heard it's about 60% of the length that the original iPod software lasts. |
| 09:04:20 | Mouser_X | So, if the unmodded iPod lasts 10 hours, Rockbox would last 6. |
| 09:04:40 | Mouser_X | konek: ^ This is what I've heard anyway. |
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| 09:05:17 | Presence | i get 8 full hours on my 60gb ipod with random pushy-buttons-constantly usage. |
| 09:05:38 | konek | very little :( |
| 09:05:50 | scorche | Presence: so are you home on irc? |
| 09:06:03 | Presence | in car |
| 09:06:10 | scorche | oh..ok...just making sure =P |
| 09:06:14 | Presence | right 9utside mgm pkg garage. |
| 09:06:46 | Presence | i called mgm's switchboard, yeah, no love for non regisstered guests parking at the signature. :( |
| 09:06:54 | scorche | yeah |
| 09:07:04 | scorche | they are pretty strict about that around here |
| 09:07:29 | Presence | ah well. i prolly coulda walked from my office in the venetian faster. heh. |
| 09:08:20 | scorche | before i picked the hotel, i was considering the venetian, but they shut me down by saying that only 4 people max in a suite even not staying there/sleeping |
| 09:08:31 | scorche | only hotel that said something like that |
| 09:08:52 | Presence | right, totally anal about over crowding the suites. |
| 09:09:10 | Presence | actually, anal about *. |
| 09:09:32 | Mouser_X | I've been to a place like that... |
| 09:09:45 | Mouser_X | 8 people maximum, including newborn babies. |
| 09:09:48 | Presence | but, hey, yer all in the newest rooms on the Strip! |
| 09:10:06 | scorche | so we hear =) |
| 09:10:27 | scorche | you should have seen it when we had the bigger version |
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| 09:20:18 | Presence | worst parking structure evar! |
| 09:20:37 | Llorean | jhMikeS, linuxstb: Either of you around? |
| 09:21:51 | Presence | citywalk... |
| 09:25:36 | Presence | studiowalk... hahaah, so much hate. |
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| 09:29:24 | Presence | on bridge... wow, new. |
| 09:30:44 | * | jhMikeS 's here...lurky |
| 09:31:11 | Llorean | jhMikeS: We thought we found a freeze bug in mpegplayer, but it seems to only affect it when you have "Limit FPS" disabled so it's running full speed. |
| 09:33:03 | Llorean | When limit FPS is disabled, it seems to freeze before the end of Elephant's Dream on GIgabeat. |
| 09:33:15 | Llorean | It completes fine at 'normal' speed |
| 09:34:03 | jhMikeS | I've always had it bomb out near the end of ED because the buffer ahead isn't enough...with "Limit FPS" on. |
| 09:34:18 | Llorean | Wow. |
| 09:34:21 | Llorean | It works with limit on just fine for me. |
| 09:34:30 | Llorean | But with limit off, it bombs out. |
| 09:34:44 | jhMikeS | It should with it off since the parser will lose its place |
| 09:35:53 | jhMikeS | I have a fix I made to give enough buffer ahead with some low pass filtering on the instantaneous bitrate...nothing I tried after it bombs out. I have to reconstruct it though. |
| 09:40:59 | Llorean | Alright, just wanted to pass the word. |
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| 10:58:38 | Presence | "outsider's report" on devcon west: these dudes are the nerdcore equivalant to "Thunder from Down Under" but with gigi beats. |
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| 11:00:22 | markun | "nerdcore" :) |
| 11:00:48 | markun | Presence: are you there now? |
| 11:01:18 | Presence | i just left 'rem, they were preparing the suite for some downtime for a ffew hours. |
| 11:01:37 | Llorean | There's momentum though |
| 11:01:43 | Llorean | It takes a LONG time for shutdonw. |
| 11:02:01 | Presence | dude, my ipod touched theirs, its like inherently "better" now! |
| 11:02:10 | dionoea | :) |
| 11:02:12 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
| 11:02:38 | Presence | and llorean didnt slay me for having an unsuport3d build! |
| 11:02:58 | scorche` | we gave a few quips though =P |
| 11:03:06 | scorche` | ...as long as you dont ask for support... |
| 11:03:09 | scorche` | ;) |
| 11:03:12 | * | Mouser_X uses an unsupported build. |
| 11:03:16 | Mouser_X | It has MOD support. |
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| 11:03:38 | Presence | why do you think i showed upo!! shit, forgot to ask for full speed DS emulation! damn! |
| 11:03:42 | scorche | gigabeats here have GBS support =P |
| 11:03:54 | Mouser_X | Lucky. |
| 11:04:02 | Presence | all the talk about pokemon, and i forgot! |
| 11:04:02 | markun | a new codec? |
| 11:04:08 | Mouser_X | Yes. |
| 11:04:12 | Mouser_X | HCS is working on it. |
| 11:04:17 | scorche | hcs has been |
| 11:04:26 | scorche | Mouser_X: are you sure you arent here? =P |
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| 11:04:36 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
| 11:04:44 | Mouser_X | HCS talked about it in #usf |
| 11:04:48 | Llorean | HCS is not working on it. HCS is half asleep |
| 11:04:49 | scorche | ah |
| 11:05:02 | Mouser_X | Also, I helped him test various GB cores, to find which one to port. |
| 11:05:04 | linuxstb | But it's too slow for other targets at the moment? |
| 11:05:09 | Mouser_X | Yes. |
| 11:05:18 | Mouser_X | It doesn't even run on coldfire targets. |
| 11:05:19 | scorche | crashed on coldfire |
| 11:05:21 | linuxstb | Anyone tested the speed in test_codec? |
| 11:05:27 | scorche | not yet |
| 11:05:42 | markun | linuxstb: good to have that plugin now |
| 11:05:46 | Mouser_X | I'm sure there's room for improvement. |
| 11:06:06 | scorche | wants to get it working on other targets atm...not realtime on ipod, and as we said, crashes on coldfire |
| 11:06:11 | linuxstb | markun: Indeed, I couldn't live without it now. |
| 11:06:33 | * | linuxstb wonders how Soap's test track is coming along |
| 11:06:48 | scorche | for mpegplayer? |
| 11:06:55 | scorche | he is asleep atm |
| 11:06:56 | linuxstb | No, an audio test track |
| 11:07:07 | linuxstb | One that we can run in test_codec for all codecs on all devices |
| 11:07:12 | scorche | ah...no clue then...we have been working on other things |
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| 11:08:31 | AceNik_ | hey guys, i made a build yesterday, & all the plugins on execution show "incompatible version" |
| 11:08:48 | n1s | AceNik_: did you install it correctly |
| 11:09:07 | AceNik_ | yup like i always do , im not new to this |
| 11:09:14 | linuxstb | "correctly" means to do "make zip" and then unzip that file to your device. |
| 11:09:29 | markun | linuxstb: I still think track 2 could be nice: http://www.archive.org/details/motomotomoto_flac |
| 11:09:33 | AceNik_ | does it make a different to patch plugins everytime you compile |
| 11:09:47 | AceNik_ | yes i did unzip n make zip |
| 11:10:09 | Mouser_X | linuxstb: A test track for all codecs would be difficult, unless you exclude the emulated audio formats. |
| 11:10:21 | AceNik_ | the only think bein , i have a sokoban plugin patch, i didnt repath it , just did a make |
| 11:10:39 | markun | Mouser_X: we'll exclude them as we don't have an encoder for them anyway |
| 11:10:44 | linuxstb | markun: I don't really care any more - I just want a track so I can start benchmarking ;) We should point Soap to that track, see what he says. |
| 11:10:57 | linuxstb | Mouser_X: Of course. I meant "normal" codecs... |
| 11:11:20 | Mouser_X | markun: I can provide an ADX encoder. |
| 11:11:33 | markun | ok |
| 11:11:54 | linuxstb | AceNik_: I don't understand what you mean by "patch plugins everytime you compile" |
| 11:11:58 | n1s | AceNik_: you don't have to reapply the patch every time you compile |
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| 11:12:45 | AceNik_ | then i dont unmderstand why i get "incompatible version" |
| 11:12:47 | n1s | AceNik_: do you have a rockbox.whatever file in the root of your player? |
| 11:12:54 | AceNik_ | yup |
| 11:13:00 | n1s | delete it |
| 11:13:09 | markun | linuxstb: hm, the songs ends in silence, so that should be cut off |
| 11:13:17 | linuxstb | markun: Yep. |
| 11:13:21 | AceNik_ | the rockbox.mi4 , delete it ? you sure |
| 11:13:32 | linuxstb | Do you also have a rockbox.mi4 in the .rockbox folder? |
| 11:14:14 | AceNik_ | no sorry i only have it in the rockbox folder |
| 11:14:41 | Mouser_X | ADX encoder (I don't know how recent/what version this is...): http://files.filefront.com/ADX_encoder/;3627398;/fileinfo.html |
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| 11:15:21 | n1s | AceNik_: okay, then do a 'make' then 'make zip' and unzip it to your player again |
| 11:16:23 | AceNik_ | n1s:ok ill try that again now , gimme soem time , ill probably do asvn revert n re patch everythin, cause im bored of doing it again n again , wnna do it fresh once n for all |
| 11:16:43 | Mouser_X | markun, linuxstb: Here's the ADX Encoder that I downloaded. I'm pretty sure this one is the most recent version: http://www.newwavemugen.com/~aokmaniac13/adxencd.exe |
| 11:17:44 | Mouser_X | (In case you want to make a test track for ADX as well as the other "normal" codecs.) |
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| 11:28:24 | AceNik_ | what do you type to et fonts in your buld "make fullzip" |
| 11:28:39 | markun | yes |
| 11:28:39 | AceNik_ | ? |
| 11:28:52 | AceNik_ | hey how r u ? |
| 11:28:57 | markun | fine :) |
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| 11:46:10 | AceNik_ | guys i recompiled my whole build , plugins still show incompatible version please help |
| 11:46:49 | linuxstb | Did you start with a clean build directory? |
| 11:47:00 | AceNik_ | yup deleted it fully |
| 11:47:15 | AceNik_ | new build fresh , patched again |
| 11:47:23 | n1s | AceNik_: hmm, could you try an official build from rockbox.org? |
| 11:47:28 | markun | do you get this for all plugins? |
| 11:47:47 | AceNik_ | yup |
| 11:48:21 | safetydan | AceNik_: check that you don't have two rockbox.mi4 files. There should only be one inside .rockbox on your player. |
| 11:48:33 | AceNik_ | no i dont |
| 11:48:41 | safetydan | Also make sure that you overwrite everything in the .rockbox folder when you extract your zip files. |
| 11:48:56 | AceNik_ | i deleted the earlier build |
| 11:49:09 | safetydan | So you deleted the .rockbox folder and then extracted a new build? |
| 11:49:21 | AceNik_ | & extracted this new one , also did the "hold button clear settings" |
| 11:49:30 | AceNik_ | yes |
| 11:50:08 | linuxstb | Did you try deleting the .rockbox folder from your player before extracting the new one? |
| 11:50:43 | AceNik_ | thats what i said i did, i deleted the whole rockbox folder n extracted a new one |
| 11:50:59 | n1s | AceNik_: did you try an official build? |
| 11:51:16 | linuxstb | And to build Rockbox, you're typing "../tools/configure ; make ; make zip" ? |
| 11:51:19 | AceNik_ | no , but ill try one now |
| 11:51:36 | AceNik_ | yup linuxstb im not new, to this buddy |
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| 11:53:08 | AceNik_ | im trying a current build now |
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| 11:59:20 | linuxstb | AceNik_: What patch(es) are you applying? |
| 11:59:36 | AceNik_ | do you wants links to them or names? |
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| 11:59:50 | linuxstb | Links would be useful. |
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| 12:00:07 | AceNik_ | k hold on please |
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| 12:00:39 | linuxstb | If you're building and installing correctly, then the only problem left is that one of your patches is breaking something. |
| 12:01:03 | AceNik_ | ya i thought of that , but didnt know which could it be |
| 12:01:26 | AceNik_ | H10 smoth scroll: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6678 |
| 12:01:41 | linuxstb | You could start with a clean build, then apply the patches one by one to find the one that breaks it. |
| 12:01:47 | AceNik_ | html parser:http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7114 |
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| 12:02:03 | linuxstb | Compiling your own clean build will also confirm that the patches are the issue. |
| 12:02:08 | AceNik_ | none of them break it, all apply smooth with all hunks succeeded |
| 12:02:21 | AceNik_ | i did compile a clean buil |
| 12:02:21 | linuxstb | Just because they apply doesn't mean they're not broken. |
| 12:02:35 | AceNik_ | pong:http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5855 |
| 12:02:58 | AceNik_ | random album:http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6960 |
| 12:03:07 | linuxstb | And a clean build you compiled yourself worked? |
| 12:03:11 | AceNik_ | sokoban: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6702 |
| 12:03:33 | AceNik_ | full screen logo : i dont have the link yet |
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| 12:04:11 | AceNik_ | no i have to still compile a clean , build , but i did reptch n recompile thouh |
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| 12:07:13 | AceNik_ | linuxstb: i guess it is possible all the plugins , patches gone wrong , cause over the past few days , there has been a commit "some memory wrapper" that has changed the way plugins function , i think all the patches of plugins become redundant |
| 12:08:00 | linuxstb | No, that shouldn't affect things . The memory wrapper macro is only needed if a plugin fails to compile (with errors about memset or memcpy). |
| 12:08:18 | AceNik_ | then what could be the problem ? |
| 12:09:05 | linuxstb | I would start by compiling a clean build - to determine if the problem is your build environment/installation or if the problem is definitely with one or more of your patches. |
| 12:09:29 | AceNik_ | ok im doing that now |
| 12:10:01 | AceNik_ | whats the thing where you build with " -Os" for memory wrapper |
| 12:13:28 | The-Compiler | Is there any productive result of the devcon west? |
| 12:15:20 | linuxstb | It's been concluded that Chimnay Red is tastier than Chimnay Blue. Also, a gameboy sound codec is in the process of being written. |
| 12:16:04 | AceNik_ | linuxstb: thats cool, cause this squeekin in the ear was hurting in gameboy |
| 12:16:17 | linuxstb | It's nothing to do with Rockboy. |
| 12:16:39 | AceNik_ | then? |
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| 12:16:49 | linuxstb | It's a codec to play .gbs sound files. |
| 12:16:58 | linuxstb | (IIUC) |
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| 12:57:03 | AceNik_ | linuxstb: it worked finally , it was the HTML parser plugin patch |
| 12:57:11 | AceNik_ | now everything working fine |
| 12:57:16 | AceNik_ | thanks |
| 12:57:33 | peppo | I have a little question. I've been using my Rockbox iPod (5.5g, 80gb) with GNU/Linux, and I've had no problems. however, when I tried to connect it to a friend's Windows XP computer, the machine froze, and after 5-10 minutes said that the device had to be formatted to work with iTunes/Windows. what gives? the device is fat32 after all... |
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| 13:00:56 | linuxstb | Maybe the filesystem is corrupt, and the computer was trying to do a virus scan on it? |
| 13:02:11 | linuxstb | Bagder: Around? |
| 13:02:31 | markun | or maybe itunes doesn't like rockboxed ipods |
| 13:03:12 | linuxstb | It seems quite common for itunes to say that about ipods, but I've no idea what the cause is... |
| 13:06:07 | The-Compiler | iTunes works fine with my 5.5G rockboxed iPod |
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| 13:15:22 | peppo | weird. I'd really like to be able to transfer files to my girlfriend's windows machine |
| 13:15:28 | peppo | it refuses to mount it |
| 13:19:27 | The-Compiler | How can I launch the Quick Screen on a Sansa? |
| 13:20:01 | linuxstb | It's normally a long-press on whatever button brings up the menu |
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| 14:37:04 | aliask | It seems I've fallen off the rockbox mailing lists, just wondering if this is a temporary thing or if I should re-register for them. |
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| 14:50:39 | aliask | Ah, cool. I guess I'll just wait it out then. |
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| 15:23:50 | lostlogic | yawn |
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| 16:11:20 | gloriousjob | hi, would anyone know how well rockbox works with podcasts? |
| 16:11:37 | gloriousjob | specifically if it works with arranging them according to date or even listing the date of the podcast |
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| 16:20:16 | markun | TTSbox: hi |
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| 16:37:43 | lostlogic | yawn |
| 16:37:46 | lostlogic | oops, |
| 16:37:53 | lostlogic | slow morning? |
| 16:38:36 | n1s | very |
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| 16:54:45 | JdGordon | my internet is so slow now, it was faster to compile all 3 cross-compilers than it is to do a full svn co! |
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| 17:18:43 | gkahla | question: accidentally entered "Recording" mode on my 5th gen video ipod - how do I get it to return to the main menu? |
| 17:21:09 | dionoea | menu + select ? long press on menu ? long press on select ? (I don't have a clue) |
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| 17:28:50 | gkahla | long menu doesn't work |
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| 17:29:07 | gkahla | menu+select doesn't work |
| 17:29:33 | gkahla | long select doesn't work |
| 17:29:37 | gkahla | spoot |
| 17:29:54 | gkahla | thing's not responding to being plugged in either |
| 17:30:28 | dionoea | long play ? |
| 17:30:33 | dionoea | (that'll shut it down) |
| 17:30:39 | dionoea | works on my ipod |
| 17:30:43 | gkahla | give me a moment |
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| 17:31:29 | gkahla | long play doesn't work either - hence my concern |
| 17:31:48 | dionoea | long menu + select should force a reboot (that's hardware controlled) |
| 17:31:59 | DerPapst | menu + center works always thogh |
| 17:32:02 | gkahla | let's give that a shot |
| 17:32:39 | gkahla | long menu + select has rebooted it!! hurrah! |
| 17:33:46 | gkahla | now to sort out how to create playlists... thanks for the recommendations, dionoea and DerPapst |
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| 17:36:33 | DerPapst | :) |
| 17:40:30 | gkahla | thanks again folks - I'm learning slowly... |
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| 17:58:28 | pondlife | Any news on when the news feeds might be working again? I might have missed it in the logs... |
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| 18:08:20 | Overand | So, my rockbox'd iPod doesn't display that text anymore on bootup - did I install a weird version of the bootloader? (iPod 5G) |
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| 18:08:29 | Overand | I last installed the bootloader maybe... several months ago |
| 18:09:12 | markun | "that text"? |
| 18:09:42 | Overand | As in, "loading rockbox..." |
| 18:09:50 | Overand | or "loading original firmware..." |
| 18:09:59 | Overand | I have the apple logo, period, until either firmware boots |
| 18:10:23 | Overand | I didn't even notice it was missing until I was playing with my friend's 30gig 5G and saw it again |
| 18:10:29 | Domonoky | Overand: i think it now only shows the text if you press "left" while booting.. |
| 18:10:34 | Overand | ahh. |
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| 18:10:42 | Overand | Maybe *he's* running the old one. |
| 18:10:49 | Domonoky | to have a nicer booting :-) |
| 18:11:11 | Domonoky | Overand: then your friend should update :-) |
| 18:11:23 | Overand | well, the weird thing is he's only had said iPod for ~2 weeks or so |
| 18:11:47 | Llorean | Then he installed an outdated or unofficial bootloader |
| 18:12:01 | Llorean | The main one doesn't update the LCD unless certain buttons are pressed, or something goes wrong |
| 18:12:15 | Llorean | This makes it look a bit nicer (in the opinions of some of us), and slightly speeds up boot (I think) |
| 18:15:01 | pondlife | Bagder: Is it known that none of the news feeds for the ML (or Flyspray) are working? Or have they moved from gmane.org? |
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| 18:16:52 | Llorean | Flyspray's feed isn't on gmane, is it? |
| 18:17:00 | Llorean | It's part of flyspray |
| 18:17:04 | * | Llorean thought, at least |
| 18:17:08 | pondlife | Yes, well it used to be readable there |
| 18:17:43 | Llorean | Ah, so it's not the flyspray feed, its the gmane feed of the flyspray feed? |
| 18:17:55 | pondlife | gmane.comp.systems.archos.rockbox.sourceforge |
| 18:18:08 | pondlife | A couple of misnomers in there... ;) |
| 18:18:19 | Llorean | The flyspray feed is http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/feed.php?feed_type=rss2&project=1 |
| 18:18:32 | pondlife | I don't do RSS yet. |
| 18:18:58 | pondlife | Guess I should do, but am happy with the NG feed. |
| 18:19:21 | Llorean | I'm not really fond of the formatting on the gmane one, when you try to use it as RSS. |
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| 18:35:42 | dionoea | on sansas, which partition are the files on ? sd.1 or sd.2 ? |
| 18:35:47 | dionoea | (i don't own a sansa :( ) |
| 18:36:17 | Llorean | sd1, if I recall |
| 18:36:27 | Llorean | The hidden partition is the second one, if memory serves |
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| 18:36:47 | dionoea | ok, thanks |
| 18:37:08 | dionoea | I'll commit my rbutil patch and see if anyone complains :) |
| 18:37:26 | * | Domonoky sees rbutil ... |
| 18:38:03 | Domonoky | dionoea: whitch patch ? |
| 18:38:09 | dionoea | just commited |
| 18:43:42 | * | DerPapst looks a 220 points |
| 18:44:11 | DerPapst | nvm |
| 18:44:13 | DerPapst | :) |
| 18:44:19 | pondlife | Yep, fixed that... :) |
| 18:44:36 | Domonoky | dionoea: so it guesses the mount point and prefills it on Linux and Mac ? |
| 18:44:44 | dionoea | linux only |
| 18:44:55 | dionoea | mac doesn't have a /proc/mounts |
| 18:45:00 | Domonoky | okey.. |
| 18:46:24 | dionoea | and windows must be easy using some MS api ... but i don't use windows |
| 18:47:34 | pondlife | Wooh, Flyspray gives a nice list of warnings/errors when you add a comment .... :/ |
| 18:47:35 | Domonoky | MS API is strange, i dont call that easy :-) |
| 18:47:54 | pondlife | "Warning: mime_magic: invalid type 0 in mconvert(). in /usr/share/flyspray/htdocs/includes/class.flyspray.php on line 967" |
| 18:48:15 | pondlife | "Fatal error: |
| 18:48:16 | pondlife | Uncaught Error of type [swift_connection_exception] with message [The SMTP connection is not alive and cannot be read from. (fsockopen: #) ]" |
| 18:53:56 | Domonoky | dionoea: i see a copy an paste bug in your patch.. |
| 18:54:09 | dionoea | where ? |
| 18:54:13 | Domonoky | sansa cant work, you took the diskname of the ipod.. :-) |
| 18:54:20 | dionoea | oops :) |
| 18:54:26 | Domonoky | in the AutoDetect function .. |
| 18:55:03 | Domonoky | you should also add yourself in the credits.h file |
| 18:55:30 | Domonoky | otherwise your patch is fine, go one and work more on rbutil :-) |
| 18:55:31 | dionoea | I'll do that next time i change stuff |
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| 19:14:55 | major_works | Pondlife: I'm having problems compiling due to pcm_playback.c I get a syntax error in line 328. |
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| 19:18:14 | Llorean | major_works: Have you tried to compile without whatever patches you're using, cleanly? |
| 19:18:34 | major_works | I'll try that next and see what happens. |
| 19:18:48 | major_works | I know patches are problems at times. |
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| 19:22:01 | major_works | Llorean: One thing I can say is that none of the patches I typically apply touch that file. |
| 19:24:18 | PaulJam | major_works: have you updated your source after pondlifes commit? |
| 19:24:43 | major_works | Yes, it was brand-fresh checked-out source. |
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| 19:25:12 | major_works | To Llorean's point, I did apply patches before compiling but as I'd said, none of them alter that file. |
| 19:25:24 | Llorean | major_works: And the build table is green |
| 19:25:38 | Llorean | So either it's your patches, or some difference between your setup and the official one. |
| 19:25:45 | major_works | Yes, I see that. I know there are all kinds of interdependencies. |
| 19:26:15 | Llorean | But of course, I suspect you're not actually SVN current |
| 19:26:42 | major_works | I just trashed my entire source tree and am checking out fresh SVN. |
| 19:27:02 | pondlife | major_works: That was the error my commit fixed |
| 19:27:15 | pondlife | Hopefully you just missed it :) |
| 19:27:29 | major_works | Maybe that's the case... you just did that fix real recently, yes? |
| 19:27:34 | pondlife | Yes |
| 19:27:43 | major_works | OK... I'll be back in a few. |
| 19:30:01 | markun | pondlife: thanks for fixing it :) |
| 19:30:16 | markun | I was planning to move the pnx0101 stuff to the target tree |
| 19:30:24 | pondlife | markun: Thanks for giving me something to fix :p |
| 19:31:22 | markun | I could probably break a few more things if you want |
| 19:37:02 | major_works | Pondlife: OK, with clean, fresh SVN, the compiler sailed past pcm_playback.c with no problems. |
| 19:37:10 | major_works | Thanks to all for your help. |
| 19:38:06 | markun | major_works: sorry for breaking it.. |
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| 19:46:19 | Lear | markun: You did see the size increase from the metadata split? :) |
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| 19:52:42 | markun | Lear: I did, any suggestions what I can do about it? |
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| 19:54:17 | Lear | Not really. I guess it's mainly a question of the complier being able to do various kinds of inline-related optimizations. |
| 19:55:04 | markun | yes, I was already thinking about turning the helper functions in metadata_common into inlines |
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| 19:55:08 | lostlogic | who can tell me how / where themes are loaded? |
| 19:55:37 | lape | settings - browse themes |
| 19:57:01 | markun | I don't think he's asking about that :) |
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| 19:57:32 | markun | lostlogic: are you? |
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| 19:57:54 | linuxstb_ | lostlogic: afaik, a theme is just a .cfg file, so it's loaded like any other .cfg |
| 19:58:11 | linuxstb_ | ... in the settings code somewhere... |
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| 19:59:12 | lape | Does anyones know if there's any codecs for playin xvid/divx on ipod 30Gb? |
| 19:59:18 | lostlogic | linuxstb_: cool, nothing special. |
| 19:59:28 | markun | lape: there isn't |
| 19:59:47 | markun | lape: there's only http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
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| 20:00:07 | lape | theres only mpeg1 & 2 pluggins... |
| 20:00:39 | linuxstb_ | Sorry! |
| 20:00:39 | lape | do you know why? |
| 20:00:51 | markun | lape: and there is this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2848 |
| 20:00:56 | linuxstb_ | Because no-one has written one... |
| 20:01:09 | markun | lape: are you a coder? |
| 20:01:10 | linuxstb_ | And also, it's very likely to be even slower than the mpegplayer. |
| 20:01:30 | markun | linuxstb_: but it's what people seem to want :) |
| 20:01:44 | linuxstb_ | markun: I wouldn't be upset if someone wrote one... |
| 20:01:58 | markun | me neither, but I'm not planning to do it |
| 20:02:11 | lape | markun: no coder at all....but I wish |
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| 20:05:59 | markun | lape: but even if you could playback xvid you would have to reencode to the right size |
| 20:06:36 | * | linuxstb_ wonders how life is in Las Vegas today... |
| 20:07:06 | toffe82 | quiet ;) |
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| 20:07:20 | markun | toffe82: most have left? |
| 20:07:26 | lape | risky |
| 20:07:34 | toffe82 | no still everybody here |
| 20:09:30 | chrisjs169 | i'm here :P |
| 20:11:17 | Llorean | linuxstb_: We have inspired what may be a pleasant surprise. No hints until it's done though, there's some active work going on on it. |
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| 20:54:05 | The-Compiler | is the middle-button from a sansa e200 press-able? |
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| 21:06:46 | jurrie_ | The-Compiler: huh? I don't understand the question. You can press it and software can detect the press. |
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| 21:08:22 | The-Compiler | On http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart it is written that the sansa has 6 Buttons. But it has 8 buttons (the four navigation-buttons, center, rec and power) plus a scrollwhel |
| 21:08:42 | The-Compiler | jurrie: I ask because I haven't a sansa and I was not sure |
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| 21:09:26 | jurrie | ah.... yup, the 4 directions + power + record + scroll left + scroll right |
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| 21:10:43 | jurrie | things in the GUI are a bit inconsistent at the moment. Some places use the power button to go to a menu, sometimes it's the down button (which has a menu graphic on it), and I think I recall at least one plugin which uses the record button |
| 21:11:44 | jurrie | likewise, some plugins as well as the core allow the user to scroll & wrap around menus/lists, while others don't |
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| 21:15:27 | Gimblefish | Does anybody know if I can use Rockbox to disable the HOLD button? |
| 21:16:13 | Gimblefish | On an ipod |
| 21:16:24 | linuxstb_ | You mean use the buttons whilst the hold switch is on? |
| 21:17:37 | Gimblefish | yeah, it's been stuck for months. I can't unlock the ipod without taking the back off and bending the whole circuit board |
| 21:18:16 | linuxstb_ | No, it's a hardware hold switch - Rockbox doesn't know that buttons are being pressed if the hold switch is on. |
| 21:18:51 | Gimblefish | damn... |
| 21:19:28 | Gimblefish | So it's still just an expensive flash drive.. thanks ayway |
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| 21:20:25 | markun | Gimblefish: why do you need to bend the cicuit board? |
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| 21:22:34 | Gimblefish | markun: It's the only way to get the thing to unlock and respond anything. Pulling the little black switch 'should' be enough but.. |
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| 21:23:14 | linuxstb_ | So it doesn't stay unlocked? |
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| 21:24:05 | Gimblefish | No it's locked all the time except for a few seconds when you twist the ipod just right |
| 21:24:48 | linuxstb_ | Maybe a remote would work (not in Rockbox though). |
| 21:25:29 | Gimblefish | A remote for an ipod nano? |
| 21:25:38 | Gimblefish | I don't quite follow |
| 21:25:54 | linuxstb_ | I'm sure you can buy wired remotes that plug into the dock connector. |
| 21:26:37 | Gimblefish | That overide the lockinging mechanism? |
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| 21:28:03 | linuxstb_ | I would expect so - it would make sense to be able to put the main unit on hold which using a remote. |
| 21:28:32 | linuxstb_ | ^whilst using a remote. |
| 21:28:58 | Gimblefish | I've found what you may mean on apple.com... you know that might work |
| 21:29:40 | linuxstb_ | I've never used a remote with an ipod though, so can't say for sure it will work for you... |
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| 21:30:09 | Gimblefish | thanks a lot ;) |
| 21:30:14 | Gimblefish | I'll look into that |
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| 21:31:58 | Tachikoma | how do i change the boot picture in rockbox? |
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| 21:33:55 | linuxstb_ | You need to modify the source code, replace the image, and compile your own build of Rockbox. |
| 21:34:39 | Tachikoma | blah |
| 21:34:56 | Tachikoma | hmm |
| 21:35:35 | Tachikoma | which compiler? |
| 21:35:54 | linuxstb_ | gcc |
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| 21:36:11 | Tachikoma | ok |
| 21:36:14 | linuxstb_ | Either arm-elf-gcc, m68k-elf-gcc or sh-elf-gcc, depending on which kind of player you're using. |
| 21:36:52 | Tachikoma | i am trying to do this from windows |
| 21:36:55 | linuxstb_ | If you download the Rockbox source code, there's a script (tools/rockboxdev.sh) which will install any or all of those compilers for you. |
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| 21:38:28 | linuxstb_ | There are lots of instructions in the wiki - e.g. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform |
| 21:38:56 | linuxstb_ | (that comes with the compilers installed) |
| 21:39:18 | Domonoky | can someone with windows and an ipod test this rbutil version ? www.b23.org/~domonoky/rbutil.zip |
| 21:40:08 | Domonoky | test if the autodetection button still works, and if you try to install rockbox, if the "mount point" is correctly prefilled ? |
| 21:40:26 | * | Domonoky needs feedback .. !!! :-) |
| 21:40:39 | linuxstb_ | How are you finding the drive letter? |
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| 21:40:48 | webguest01 | hi |
| 21:40:53 | Domonoky | linuxstb_: windows api magic :-) |
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| 21:41:13 | * | n1s builds rockbox with the latest gcc 4.3 snapshot, gets hard freeze on startup :-) |
| 21:41:21 | Domonoky | i can also get the vendor and product id, to make a better detection.. but first this :-) |
| 21:41:48 | linuxstb_ | Domonoky: Is it independent to ipodpatcher's detection? |
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| 21:42:24 | Domonoky | linuxstb: yes, completely independed, so it coud find another usb drive letter, its just a guess.. |
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| 21:43:23 | Domonoky | the linux version of "finding the mountpoint" uses the diskname which ipodpatcher delivers, but i couldnt use this on windows.. |
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| 21:44:22 | linuxstb_ | OK, because I have a feeling the new −−format option in ipodpatcher isn't going to work because the drive is normally mounted. If I can find the drive letter, I think I can unmount it. |
| 21:45:54 | dionoea | Domonoky: oh! you added the windows auto detect code? |
| 21:46:14 | Domonoky | jeah i am coding at it.. |
| 21:46:23 | dionoea | cool :) |
| 21:46:39 | Domonoky | i hope you dont add code there at the moment, because i completely restructed the autodetection.. |
| 21:47:19 | Domonoky | if someone can tell me if the version i posted works on windows with ipod, i commit it :-) |
| 21:47:53 | Domonoky | linuxstb_: can we distinguish the ipods via the product and vendor id ? |
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| 21:48:06 | linuxstb_ | I've no idea. |
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| 21:48:20 | linuxstb_ | I think there's a wiki page with product/vendor ids on though. |
| 21:48:23 | Domonoky | if so, i can give you code to get the drive letter reliably.. ( i think ) |
| 21:48:52 | Domonoky | thats also the next step for rbutil, but i think there are conflicts in the ids .. |
| 21:49:13 | linuxstb_ | Yes, seems they do have unique ids - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceDetection |
| 21:49:39 | Domonoky | mini first and second gen clash.. |
| 21:50:24 | Domonoky | all archos are not detectable but, otherwise it could work nice.. |
| 21:50:33 | linuxstb_ | Just noticed that... Time for someone to unify the two mini builds ;) |
| 21:50:43 | Domonoky | :-) |
| 21:51:05 | linuxstb_ | I guess where ids are not unique, you can just give the user a reduced drop-down list to select from. |
| 21:51:43 | linuxstb_ | From the drive letter, is it possible to determine the physical drive? |
| 21:51:59 | linuxstb_ | (i.e. what ipodpatcher searches for) |
| 21:52:03 | dionoea | Domonoky: i'll give your thing a try on windows. 2 secs |
| 21:52:14 | * | dionoea uninstalls iTunes |
| 21:52:52 | Domonoky | not with the code i have.. |
| 21:53:05 | amiconn | Yes that's possible |
| 21:53:29 | amiconn | linuxstb: Btw, I juist verified that the G5.5 has the same device id as the G5 |
| 21:54:29 | * | amiconn wonders whether there are ipods with PID 1202, 1206, 1207, 1208 |
| 21:55:18 | Domonoky | i think getting pid and vid under linux is easy, but i dont know about OSX .. |
| 21:57:42 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Thanks, I've updated that wiki page. |
| 21:58:56 | dionoea | Domonoky: doesn't work ;-( |
| 21:59:11 | dionoea | autodetected it as D: instead of J: (IIRC D: is default in the code) |
| 21:59:37 | Domonoky | but it detected the ipod ? |
| 21:59:42 | dionoea | yup |
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| 22:00:15 | Domonoky | good, then i can commit, its not worse than before.. |
| 22:00:28 | Domonoky | and it enables future work on this.. :-) |
| 22:00:28 | dionoea | but it's not better :) |
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| 22:03:09 | ComputinChuck | hey, i just installed rockbox this morning on my ipod video and i've made it freeze somehow. is there any way to hard reset or force a reset? |
| 22:03:31 | dionoea | long press on select + menu |
| 22:04:26 | ComputinChuck | ok, cool |
| 22:05:14 | ComputinChuck | thanks |
| 22:05:22 | dionoea | you're welcome |
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| 22:09:12 | tumu | anyone seen "undefined instruction at 00000420" crashes on sansa when updating database? |
| 22:09:19 | dionoea | tumu like "the tumu" ? :) |
| 22:09:26 | tumu | hi dionoea :) |
| 22:09:28 | tumu | the same |
| 22:10:03 | tumu | dionoea, i haven't forgotten my promise |
| 22:10:09 | dionoea | long time no see ... we don't have any people who complain on #videolan anymore :p |
| 22:10:16 | tumu | lol :D |
| 22:10:59 | tumu | i should return there, just been busy with other things |
| 22:11:20 | tumu | i just got interested on rockbox when i bought sansa |
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| 22:13:38 | tumu | well, the crashes happen mainly when using initialize database and then trying to use the database option on main menu |
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| 22:13:56 | tumu | using init db and then update db seems to workaround it |
| 22:14:25 | tumu | sort of |
| 22:14:40 | tumu | it doesn't regen the db everytime |
| 22:14:46 | Lear | Anyone used mpegplayer on an h120 recently? |
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| 22:15:40 | linuxstb_ | Lear: Problems? |
| 22:15:41 | saratoga | for any gigabeat F owners, I bought that bestskinever thing and cut it for use on the F and it works great |
| 22:16:03 | Lear | Yes, stack overflow (main). |
| 22:16:06 | markun | saratoga: for which player was it originally? |
| 22:16:26 | saratoga | they sell a generic one |
| 22:16:32 | Lear | Haven't tried an official build though... |
| 22:16:34 | saratoga | so you can cut it to any shape |
| 22:16:50 | saratoga | i just cut out a rectangle for the back, and a square to cover the screen |
| 22:17:08 | saratoga | the + is unprotected, but I don't really mind if that gets scratched |
| 22:17:16 | saratoga | it was about 6 dollars shipped |
| 22:18:25 | linuxstb_ | Lear: There's a 4608 byte array on the main stack, but that's all - the video and audio have their own threads (and stacks). |
| 22:18:40 | Lear | No difference on the official build. |
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| 22:18:48 | markun | saratoga: is it glued to the case or something? |
| 22:19:17 | saratoga | yeah its kind of weird |
| 22:19:29 | saratoga | sheet of thin plastic, you went it and it becomes incredibly sticky |
| 22:19:46 | saratoga | slide it on and it locks in place, though you can pull it off again and it doesn't appear to leave glue |
| 22:19:53 | saratoga | not sure how it works, but i like it |
| 22:20:48 | linuxstb_ | Lear: Can you try a daily build from before the -Os change? |
| 22:21:18 | * | linuxstb_ isn't sure why that would be a problem though... |
| 22:23:13 | Lear | No difference on June 12 build. |
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| 22:23:52 | Llorean | Lear: Is this with the Elephant's Dream video? |
| 22:24:04 | Lear | Yes, the one on the Wiki. |
| 22:24:16 | Llorean | I had no problem with a build from last night. |
| 22:24:17 | dionoea | Domonoky: * Copyright (C) 2008 Dominik Wenger |
| 22:24:21 | linuxstb_ | Domonoky: TABs? Also, did you forget to commit the Makefile changes? |
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| 22:24:23 | dionoea | Are you from the future or something ? |
| 22:24:32 | Lear | Llorean: Device? |
| 22:24:43 | Llorean | Gigabeat F |
| 22:25:06 | Llorean | SVN revision 13648 played through Elephant's Dream without a problem. |
| 22:26:13 | linuxstb_ | I'm sure we would have heard if mpegplayer was broken on Colour targets... |
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| 22:26:50 | AceNik_ | hey Domonoky how su |
| 22:27:36 | AceNik_ | join this channel please #rockbox-Ace |
| 22:27:53 | dionoea | does rbutil compile fine in cygwin? |
| 22:28:18 | AceNik_ | dionea: you need widgets too with it to compile first |
| 22:28:23 | Domonoky | i use Code::Blocks, i dont know if it compiles in cygwin :-) |
| 22:28:35 | Domonoky | sure you need wx 2.8 .. |
| 22:28:49 | Domonoky | but i think the make file for this isnt up to date.. |
| 22:29:22 | AceNik_ | domonoky join the channel please i wanted to start on the gui for rbutil |
| 22:29:40 | linuxstb_ | Why not discuss rbutil here? |
| 22:30:16 | Lear | Llorean: Different cpu, and color LCD. Would be interesting to know if it works on an H320... |
| 22:30:46 | AceNik_ | linuxstb: well im a total noob with coding, ill embarass myself in public |
| 22:30:50 | dionoea | Domonoky: if you can compile a windows version with some debug output (like printf or something) i might be able to help pinpointing what fails |
| 22:30:53 | Llorean | Lear: Unfortunately, DevCon is lacking in color coldfire targets. |
| 22:30:54 | Llorean | Not ONE. |
| 22:30:55 | Llorean | :( |
| 22:31:02 | n1s | Lear: will test |
| 22:31:49 | dionoea | Domonoky: btw, s/scann/scan/ in the comments |
| 22:31:57 | Domonoky | dionoea: i am busy trying to make a detection via the usb ids, that i can test my self ( i have a h120 ) |
| 22:33:34 | n1s | Lear: elephant's dream 224x176 works on h320 here |
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| 22:35:00 | Lear | Thanks. Looks like a grayscale issue then. But main thread just inits the grayscale lib, and that doesn't use much stack, AFAICS. |
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| 22:36:14 | dionoea | Domonoky: btw, why don't you use the PhysicalDrive returned by the ipod detection code to find the logical drive letter ? |
| 22:36:48 | Domonoky | dionoea: i dont know how .. if you have code, or a link.. tell me :-) |
| 22:37:13 | dionoea | I have a link to do the conversion the other way arround: http://www.blino.org/notes/windows/physicaldrive.html |
| 22:37:21 | dionoea | so i guess that the reverse can also be possible |
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| 22:39:56 | Domonoky | i do it this way, so i "only" have to query other info.. |
| 22:40:02 | dionoea | ok |
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| 22:48:08 | amiconn | Mapping from drive letter to physical drive is unambiguous, mapping from physical drive to drive letter is not |
| 22:48:22 | amiconn | ...because there can be more than one partition |
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| 22:49:32 | amiconn | It's also possible to mount volumes on directories (*nix like) instead of assigning drive letters |
| 22:49:49 | * | amiconn wonders whether rbutil will handle that |
| 22:50:12 | Llorean | Yeah, I used to have Win2K doing that. |
| 22:50:38 | tumu | only on ntfs tho |
| 22:51:14 | Domonoky | how should rbutil handel this ? |
| 22:52:05 | Domonoky | i think just no autodetection of the drive letter, let the user chose.. and you can chose a dir :-) |
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| 22:52:57 | amiconn | It should still be possible to autodetect in this case |
| 22:53:44 | dionoea | since we know the physical drive, can't we ask windows: "where is the second partition on this physical drive mounted" ? |
| 22:53:47 | steveire | Hey. I have rockbox on my iAudio. The battery seems to drain a lot even when the player is powered off. (overnight etc.) Could this be a rockbox issue? |
| 22:53:50 | dionoea | I'm sure that they have apis for that |
| 22:53:59 | amiconn | You can also query volumes |
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| 22:54:42 | Domonoky | then a windows guru have to do this :-) i dont know enough about win Api.. |
| 22:55:08 | amiconn | The nice thing about the windows api is that it's documented in a central place, msdn |
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| 22:56:19 | Domonoky | but you need much time to find info, and to find out how this works :-) |
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| 22:57:17 | Llorean | steveire: People generally experience equal or greater battery life with Rockbox. When did this problem start, and when did you install Rockbox? Have you tried restoring the original firmware and comparing battery lives? |
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| 22:59:54 | steveire | Llorean: I installed rockbox last week, the day I bought the player. I am going to replace the original firmware today and see if the problem persists. It's just that I saw here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioPort that power management is 10% complete. Not sure exactly what that means, so thought I'd ask. |
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| 23:01:44 | Llorean | I believe that page is somewhat out of date. |
| 23:02:01 | saratoga | i think the iaudio power management could probably be put to 100% |
| 23:02:14 | steveire | Ah. |
| 23:02:21 | saratoga | the 10% thing was probably from when the USBOTG was left on draining the battery |
| 23:02:32 | saratoga | though i'm not that familar with the X5 port |
| 23:02:47 | Llorean | It's probably in the 80-90 range I suspect |
| 23:03:03 | saratoga | I'll put it to 80% then? |
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| 23:03:24 | Llorean | I'd suggest asking someone who's an iAudio dev first. |
| 23:03:26 | Llorean | Just to be sure |
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| 23:03:58 | saratoga | that would be amiconn right? |
| 23:04:33 | Llorean | I guess he'd be a good starting place |
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| 23:12:39 | amiconn | saratoga: iaudio pm is definitely not 100% |
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| 23:13:10 | * | Bagder poked the mail server |
| 23:13:12 | amiconn | Runtime is longer than with of, but charging still needs some work |
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| 23:14:02 | Llorean | Bagder: Have you seen the logs regarding Profont? |
| 23:14:08 | steveire | Yeah. Actually what I think is happening is that the battery monitor is getting confused, and that's confusing me. My player just powered off because I had an 'empty battery'. When I power on again, it says it has an hour of playtime left. |
| 23:14:22 | Llorean | There may be license ambiguity, which would be unfortunate. |
| 23:14:27 | Bagder | oh |
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| 23:15:35 | Bagder | log at what time? |
| 23:15:42 | * | amiconn always charges in the cowon loader because of this |
| 23:15:48 | Llorean | The problem lies in the term "freeware", mostly. The original author gave a new author permission to release it as freeware. It's then been released, and modified, but there doesn't seem to be a clear explicit license for the pcf font version that was needed to convert. |
| 23:16:33 | Bagder | what is profont anyway? |
| 23:16:51 | Llorean | Its a very, very nice very minimal font. |
| 23:17:00 | Llorean | It's particularly readable at very small font sizes for smaller screens. |
| 23:17:00 | lostlogic | Commit! |
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| 23:17:30 | Llorean | And that was lostlogic finishing up our semi-surprise DevConW feature. |
| 23:18:02 | Llorean | Well, it was finished a bit ago but we did some live testing and "ooh, nifty" passing around. |
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| 23:18:42 | steveire | amiconn: You reload the cowon firmware each time you want to charge the player? So you experience the same bug as me? |
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| 23:18:50 | Llorean | Bagder: Around 03:11 in today's log it seems. Ish. |
| 23:19:24 | amiconn | steveire: No, I just plug the charger when the iaudio is turned off -> it turns on and the cowon loader goes into charging mode |
| 23:19:41 | amiconn | No reloading of the full firmware necessary |
| 23:19:47 | linuxstb | Bagder: I posted a link to the closest thing I could find to some license text at 2.48.50 |
| 23:19:58 | * | amiconn didn't use the original firmware for anything |
| 23:20:36 | steveire | amiconn: Oh, right. I think I've done that a couple of times. Didn't know it was relevant. The orig firmware is unusable. So do you experience the same bug as me? |
| 23:20:44 | amiconn | nope |
| 23:21:27 | saratoga | amiconn: any reason I shouldn't up the % complete on the iaudio power management from 10% to say 80%? |
| 23:21:36 | amiconn | It's just that rockbox may charge fast, slow or not at all. But when the battery is fully charged, it behaves as it should |
| 23:21:40 | saratoga | as i recall, battery life on that player is now somewhere around "amazing" |
| 23:21:46 | steveire | amiconn: Hmmm. Do you think the issue is in representing the amount of battery power remaining, or could there be a real drain? |
| 23:23:00 | n1s | amiconn: I played around with a snapshot of gcc4.3 and got it to build rockbox for h300 (which crashed before showing the logo) I thing I will go for a stable version tomorrow maybe any version you find especially interesting? 4.0/4.14.2 ? |
| 23:24:19 | Bagder | the profont "license" does not seem compatible with gpl, but then I don't think fonts need to be that |
| 23:25:11 | Bagder | it is also very sparse and leaves a few questions... |
| 23:25:22 | linuxstb | It does seem to prohibit modification though. |
| 23:25:48 | | Part n1s |
| 23:26:04 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:26:35 | linuxstb | And we must include profontdoc.txt with any copies... |
| 23:26:43 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:27:43 | linuxstb | And "modification" could be interpreted as conversion to .fnt ? |
| 23:27:59 | Bagder | that's one of the questions I think is very unclear |
| 23:28:42 | linuxstb | It talks about "Profont Distribution", which it describes as containing 7 items... |
| 23:30:28 | Bagder | I would say he doesn't seem to want others to ship the font the way we do |
| 23:30:44 | lostlogic | :( |
| 23:30:56 | Bagder | anyone tried emailing the guy? |
| 23:31:05 | Bagder | "If you have questions about redistribution, please contact..." |
| 23:31:50 | * | linuxstb afk |
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| 23:34:19 | lostlogic | Bagder: tried to find an email address for Andrew Welch but had difficulty |
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| 23:36:21 | Bagder | I have to admit your tower of rockbox was impressively nice |
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| 23:38:39 | Llorean | Bagder: Until Scorche got overly ambitious |
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| 23:38:52 | Bagder | haha |
| 23:40:08 | Bagder | no html zips today either... |
| 23:40:14 | Bagder | did they break? |
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| 23:40:42 | tedrock | anyone know a tagger for windows that updates the genres for your songs. much like how musicbrainz works (it doenst do genre) |
| 23:41:01 | Bagder | imho, genre tags is useless anyway |
| 23:41:29 | tedrock | i use it for the database for moods and also so i can pick the genre of music i want |
| 23:41:52 | tedrock | doesnt have to be spot on but it's nice when you just wanna hear some stuff that's related in mood and sound |
| 23:43:34 | tedrock | i know how hard it is to classify music though |
| 23:43:38 | midkay | Bagder: hey, wanted to run this by you. i modified the logo to say "open source mp3 player firmware" instead of "jukebox" firmware, since we now support like 500 other targets than the original jukeboxes. :) i got it to look very similar to the original: http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9408/rockbox4003ww6.png |
| 23:43:54 | Llorean | I don't like "MP3 player" |
| 23:44:15 | midkay | digital audio player? |
| 23:44:21 | Llorean | I'd much prefer that |
| 23:44:24 | Bagder | I don't think of "jukebox" is strictly bound to a particular target |
| 23:44:27 | Llorean | Though it's just a "Llorean is nitpicky" kinda thing |
| 23:44:35 | Bagder | but to a box that plays songs |
| 23:44:44 | * | Llorean can agree with that too |
| 23:44:48 | midkay | Bagder: nah, but .. well. i always associated it with the archoses, never really seemed to apply to the newer ones. |
| 23:45:00 | Llorean | Most people haven't heard of the newer ones, so don't get any confusion. ;) |
| 23:45:03 | saratoga | "open source audio player" |
| 23:45:04 | Llorean | Err, older ones |
| 23:45:17 | | Part Domonoky |
| 23:45:40 | PaulJam | the h300 has "multi codec jukebox" written on it. |
| 23:45:59 | petur | indeed it has |
| 23:46:14 | midkay | ah, so it does. |
| 23:46:18 | Bagder | ... and after this, we can argue if it truly is a "firmware" in all cases... and if so, what exactly does "firmware" mean ;-) |
| 23:46:27 | midkay | haha. |
| 23:46:34 | midkay | well here it is with 'audio player'. http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/2346/rockbox4004hu9.png |
| 23:46:38 | Bagder | I have that debate regularly at work |
| 23:46:39 | saratoga | i agree its not really a firmware generally, but if we say software people will try and put it on a PC |
| 23:47:04 | saratoga | i like that one |
| 23:47:05 | stripwax | is rockbox really just an "audio player" ? ;-) |
| 23:47:13 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 23:47:14 | midkay | ARGH! enough semantics! ;) |
| 23:47:28 | saratoga | we can update it once someone brings mpegplayer into the core |
| 23:47:55 | midkay | haha. |
| 23:49:53 | midkay | by the way Bagder, you better update the summary text on the main page then: "Rockbox is an open source replacement firmware for mp3 players." <−− ALERT! :) |
| 23:50:29 | Bagder | I've learned to accept the fact that it is never fully covering, whatever we say |
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| 23:51:41 | * | Bagder runs off to try his pillow until morning |
| 23:52:08 | midkay | Bagder: but you just complained about the logo that summarized it to "mp3 player" (which requires summarization, since there's limited space) but not on the main page where you can put thousands of words for a description if you wish? i don't mind if the logo's rejected, but say you don't like it rather than make up a half-excuse. :) |
| 23:52:31 | Bagder | I didn't complain on mp3 player |
| 23:52:40 | Llorean | I complained on MP3 player |
| 23:53:31 | midkay | haha, right, and then bagder argued firmware. :E what's with audio player then? better, or is there simply no way to improve it over 'jukebox'? |
| 23:53:51 | Bagder | and I actually rather stay with the old original rather than trying to craft something new trying to be "accurate" when we really can't anyway so then I think the original wins for being original |
| 23:53:57 | Llorean | I'm really fine with jukebox or audio player, or anything that doesn't sound MP3 centric. |
| 23:54:07 | Llorean | I'm quite fine with the original |
| 23:54:36 | Bagder | but now I really am leaving, I'm sure we'll continue this later on as well ;-) |
| 23:54:41 | midkay | Bagder: ok, i was just thinking it might be a little confusing for newer users. but then again i suppose our firmware isn't exactly oriented toward users unfamiliar with the concept of an mp3 player altogether. |
| 23:54:42 | midkay | haha. |
| 23:54:46 | midkay | night Bagder. |
| 23:57:52 | amiconn | Both cf iriver series have 'multi codec jukebox' written on them. Don't know about the h10 |
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