| 00:02:09 | alienbiker99 | give me a minute ill look on my H10 |
| 00:02:49 | alienbiker99 | yeah it say multi codec jukebox on the back label |
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| 00:15:44 | midkay | haha. |
| 00:15:48 | midkay | darn iriver! |
| 00:16:18 | Mouser_X | Wow! They *finally* got some output from the Gigabeat S. |
| 00:16:28 | Mouser_X | Moments before they left Devcon as well... |
| 00:16:29 | ComputinChuck | is there a way to increase the sensitivity of the scroll wheel on an ipod video? |
| 00:16:36 | Mouser_X | (I barely got back.) |
| 00:16:46 | alienbiker99 | Mouser_X where did you read that |
| 00:16:53 | markun | #gigabeat |
| 00:16:55 | Mouser_X | #gigabeat |
| 00:17:03 | markun | :) |
| 00:17:20 | Mouser_X | I had a typo, otherwise I would have had it first... |
| 00:18:43 | alienbiker99 | oh about now they can debug? |
| 00:18:51 | Mouser_X | Yes. |
| 00:18:52 | | Part tumu |
| 00:19:06 | Mouser_X | Since they're getting output now, they can tell where problems are occuring. |
| 00:19:27 | alienbiker99 | yeah |
| 00:19:54 | petur | they left devconw? |
| 00:20:03 | Llorean | Mostly |
| 00:20:10 | petur | heh |
| 00:20:12 | Llorean | Not all of our flights have left yet. |
| 00:20:36 | saratoga | who are the active gigabeat S devs ? |
| 00:20:51 | Mouser_X | ptw419 and toffe |
| 00:20:58 | Llorean | And lostlogic is still hacking at one idea that he's taken an interest in. It's in SVN, but then we discovered it didn't *quite* work as intended. (It does work, it's just not as flexible as intended) |
| 00:21:07 | Mouser_X | (ptw419 does the coding and toffe does the testing.) |
| 00:21:34 | Mouser_X | Llorean: Hows the GBS codec? |
| 00:21:43 | saratoga | so ptw is the only actual programmer on the S? |
| 00:21:52 | Mouser_X | To my knowledge, yes. |
| 00:21:55 | Llorean | Mouser_X: Haven't listened to it m'self. Heard it running on a sim briefly |
| 00:22:22 | Mouser_X | Ah. I was just wondering how it was coming along. I guess nothing from last night then. |
| 00:22:31 | Llorean | It works on coldfire now |
| 00:22:39 | Mouser_X | Oh, that's new. Cool! |
| 00:22:50 | alienbiker99 | what did lostlogic commit? |
| 00:22:52 | Llorean | It still needs someone to optimize it for given targets, and it doesn't update played time or any of that yet. |
| 00:23:03 | Llorean | alienbiker99: There *is* a changelog... |
| 00:23:06 | Mouser_X | Of course. |
| 00:23:25 | Mouser_X | First though, getting working. The rest can be done later. |
| 00:23:33 | alienbiker99 | i dont know his real name |
| 00:23:50 | * | lostlogic is Brandon Low |
| 00:23:50 | Llorean | Mouser_X: Aye, and now it seems to work, with the primary issue being speed I think |
| 00:24:05 | alienbiker99 | oh ok |
| 00:24:43 | Mouser_X | Speed is usually the biggest issue. HCS had to drop, and alter, a few features for NSF and SPC when he ported thoughs. The same will probably be true for GBS. |
| 00:24:52 | Mouser_X | *those |
| 00:25:28 | Overand | i think there was a lot of precision decrease |
| 00:25:51 | Mouser_X | For GBS, NSF, or SPC? |
| 00:25:59 | Overand | Mouser_X: all I know about was NSF |
| 00:26:10 | Overand | I remember HCS mentioning 'hacking a lot of precision out of it' |
| 00:26:10 | Mouser_X | Yes, I was aware of that for NSF. |
| 00:26:36 | Overand | but my limited understanding of the formats (*not* the codecs) would suggest that at least GBS works similarly |
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| 00:27:55 | Overand | (in unrelated news i discovered one of my 'irl' friends is apparently involved, 'pn' aka 'partiallynothing' was workin on views or something |
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| 00:28:37 | Overand | ugh laptop too hot - peace, talk later |
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| 00:31:53 | saratoga | ffmpeg wants to use "strrchr" |
| 00:32:00 | saratoga | is there some way to get that inside a codec? |
| 00:32:09 | saratoga | or should i just include it in one of my files? |
| 00:33:00 | saratoga | "include" == "write my own strrchr function" |
| 00:36:23 | petur | rockbox already has a strrchr implementation, I don't see why you would write your own |
| 00:37:04 | petur | (frimware/common/strrchr.c) |
| 00:37:19 | petur | bah make that firmware/... |
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| 00:38:25 | saratoga | how do I make it accessible to the codec? |
| 00:38:30 | saratoga | is there an include file for it? |
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| 00:39:07 | petur | codecs aren't really my department but I'll have a look |
| 00:39:38 | amiconn | If it's already in the codec api, use it via ci->strrchr() |
| 00:39:46 | amiconn | If it's not, add it first |
| 00:40:06 | petur | ah, codec interface is similar to plugins |
| 00:40:41 | petur | apps/codecs.c |
| 00:41:00 | petur | and .h of course |
| 00:41:01 | saratoga | I'm not really familar with how c deals with these things, so this is probably a silly question |
| 00:41:17 | saratoga | how do I make it so I can get at the ci struct in all the files used by ffmpeg? |
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| 01:16:32 | Llorean | Alright, lostlogic is victorious: extension colors are working. |
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| 01:17:08 | midkay | Llorean: they weren't before? what exactly is working now? :) |
| 01:17:37 | Llorean | There was a small glitch where folders couldn't be given a color, and where all audio files got the same color since they had the same ATTR |
| 01:17:54 | Llorean | Now it's fully configurable by extension, and folders get their own color. |
| 01:17:59 | midkay | oh, cool. |
| 01:18:15 | midkay | so any extension at all, even like.. *.HEHE? :) |
| 01:18:45 | lostlogic | only any extension that is in the default set or supported by a viewer |
| 01:19:06 | lostlogic | if someone were ambitious they could extend it to add unfound extensions to the list in the process of loading the colors config file |
| 01:19:24 | lostlogic | I considered that, but had a limited time budget |
| 01:19:48 | midkay | oh, i see. so it's extendable in a way, through the viewers.config system? |
| 01:20:11 | Llorean | Pretty much, yes |
| 01:20:15 | midkay | cool. |
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| 01:22:37 | Nico_P | nice feature |
| 01:22:51 | lostlogic | thanks :) |
| 01:23:34 | Nico_P | lostlogic: have you looked at the buffering api proposal and Jdgordon's code for it ? |
| 01:23:34 | midkay | lostlogic: indeed that is cool, nice work. i'll have to try this later tonight. :) |
| 01:23:55 | lostlogic | Nico_P: I looked at it, I like the idea, haven't seen JdGordon's code |
| 01:24:15 | Nico_P | do you think you'll have a bit of time to help me on it this summer ? |
| 01:24:36 | Nico_P | I think your advice could be very helpful |
| 01:24:39 | safetydan | saratoga, I think you can just do "extern codec_api ci" anywhere in the codec you need access to the ci struct. |
| 01:24:40 | lostlogic | Nico_P: Llorean knows how to find me ;) |
| 01:24:46 | lostlogic | we've discussed it this weekend |
| 01:24:52 | Nico_P | ok |
| 01:25:02 | Nico_P | I'll soon be free to start coding almost fulltime :) |
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| 01:26:49 | jameson | hello |
| 01:26:55 | jameson | hi |
| 01:26:57 | jameson | hi |
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| 01:27:01 | lostlogic | Nico_P: awesome −− I'm confident that with you working on it relatively full time you'll be able to do a good job of MoB this summer. |
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| 01:27:31 | jameson | any1 here willin to help me to install rockbox? |
| 01:27:38 | jameson | to a ipod video |
| 01:27:46 | petur | jameson: read the manual? |
| 01:28:03 | jameson | link? |
| 01:28:10 | stup | Hi - I wanted to ask if the irIver H10 will be optimized for both processors anytime in the near future |
| 01:28:20 | safetydan | jameson: it's linked from the front page |
| 01:29:13 | * | petur wonders if it already mentions rbutil and what the status of rbutil is |
| 01:29:14 | jameson | ok currently looking |
| 01:30:21 | safetydan | petur, I don't think it does. |
| 01:30:57 | Llorean | stup: Just as soon as you or someone else interested in it resolves the problems. |
| 01:31:06 | stup | what are the problems? |
| 01:31:33 | stup | I know of the FM radio problem |
| 01:31:42 | stup | on H10 |
| 01:32:01 | Llorean | There are threading safety issues, I believe |
| 01:32:31 | safetydan | There may also be some remaining issues with the shared cache between the two cores IIRC. |
| 01:33:17 | stup | ok - anyway, keep up the great work - I just got an H10 from eBay and Rockbox works great on it |
| 01:33:26 | stup | I just wish Rockboy was a tad bit faster |
| 01:33:27 | stup | :) |
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| 02:00:06 | saratoga | what does a compare to an empty character constant actually do? |
| 02:00:20 | saratoga | example: c == '' |
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| 02:14:08 | ptw419 | in what language? |
| 02:14:36 | ptw419 | i would think the actual numeric value coinciding in ascii(considering you were using ascii) |
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| 02:17:00 | saratoga | i gave up trying to get that code to work in gcc, and found a better version, thanks though |
| 02:17:47 | saratoga | ptw419: you were working on the Gigabeat S right? |
| 02:18:04 | ptw419 | yes |
| 02:18:44 | saratoga | i hear you've gotten some sort of screen driver working? |
| 02:22:30 | safetydan | saratoga, I would have thought that would be a compile error |
| 02:22:52 | ptw419 | i've just been able to write to the framebuffer |
| 02:23:07 | ptw419 | but can't get text to print utilizing rockbox code |
| 02:23:37 | ptw419 | but me and toffe have managed to get output to the serial console for debugging purposes |
| 02:23:49 | ptw419 | hopefully text isn't too far away |
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| 02:30:35 | hcs | anyone have a cell number for lostlogic or llorean? I've lost them at the airport... |
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| 02:37:07 | Mouser_X | Presence: Do you have Cell numbers? |
| 02:37:50 | hcs | it is not essential that I find them, but I'd rather not just be sitting here by myself |
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| 02:38:02 | hcs | and they might be looking for me... |
| 02:39:04 | Mouser_X | Presence stopped by, and gave out his cell number here... If he's around, I thought he might be able to help. |
| 02:39:30 | hcs | well, I have scorche's number, be he's not picking up |
| 02:39:59 | Mouser_X | "Presence\nHacker\n877-I'm-31337" |
| 02:40:08 | Mouser_X | (That's from yesterday, or so.) |
| 02:41:35 | nahun | is the "list acceleration speed" setting suppose to work on a 5th gen ipod? I've got the daily build from today |
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| 02:45:56 | hcs | ok, nm, one of them called me |
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| 02:48:03 | saratoga | when I do "#include <fcntl.h>", where does arm-elf-gcc actually get the include file from? |
| 02:54:51 | JdG|ZZzz | saratoga: the include paths.. so most likely firmware/include |
| 02:55:03 | JdG|ZZzz | then export, then the target tree dirs |
| 02:55:06 | JdG|ZZzz | then apps |
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| 03:00:05 | webguest11 | HEYY! How can i get pacman on it??? |
| 03:00:14 | webguest11 | Where is the ROM file located??? |
| 03:00:37 | JdGordon | google! |
| 03:01:02 | webguest11 | haha |
| 03:01:23 | webguest11 | good specifics |
| 03:01:28 | webguest11 | please? |
| 03:01:53 | nahun | have you tried google? |
| 03:01:59 | JdGordon | google.com/?s=pacman+roms |
| 03:02:01 | webguest11 | yeah |
| 03:02:04 | webguest11 | i have |
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| 03:02:28 | webguest11 | i've tried |
| 03:02:39 | webguest11 | trust me |
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| 03:03:10 | webguest11 | trust me |
| 03:03:20 | webguest11 | i've tried |
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| 03:46:49 | hcs | hi Joel, still sitting in the airport here |
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| 04:22:49 | Presence | Whats up? |
| 04:24:21 | Presence | <hcs> anyone have a cell number for lostlogic or llorean? |
| 04:24:26 | Presence | Only Scorche. |
| 04:25:20 | hcs | yeah, it got worked out |
| 04:25:42 | hcs | apparently there are multiple possible exits from the security checkpoint |
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| 04:39:42 | saratoga | any ideas how to deal with this error in my plugin? |
| 04:39:44 | saratoga | "undefined symbol: sim_open" |
| 04:40:25 | JdGordon | you need to do rb->PREFIX(open)(...) i think |
| 04:41:19 | JdGordon | unless of course you didnt do rb-> at all... then you might not need the PREFIX() part |
| 04:41:53 | * | JdGordon wonders about lostlogic's commit... |
| 04:42:42 | saratoga | JdGordon: where do i need to do that? |
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| 04:43:17 | JdGordon | wherever you are trying to use the plugin API functions.... |
| 04:43:37 | saratoga | you mean the open function? |
| 04:43:41 | saratoga | or all API functions? |
| 04:43:48 | JdGordon | all |
| 04:43:53 | saratoga | what does it do? |
| 04:44:11 | JdGordon | the plugins are not linked to any std c functions... so everything the plugin can do has to be with the plugin lib struct |
| 04:44:26 | JdGordon | plugin.h has all the functions you can use. |
| 04:45:06 | saratoga | do you mean i need to add a PREFIX() to all my calls to rb-> func or that i need to go through and remove function calls that aren't via the rb struct? |
| 04:45:21 | safetydan | saratoga, the second |
| 04:45:50 | saratoga | why was the old plugin/codec combined code able to avoid doing this? |
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| 04:47:19 | safetydan | saratoga, it probably just got lucky |
| 04:50:33 | saratoga | safetydan: is there anyway to trace down where the offending function might be or what it could be called? |
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| 04:51:57 | safetydan | saratoga, all I can think of is a grep of the source for calls to open() |
| 04:52:16 | saratoga | oh so it will be a call to open |
| 04:52:17 | saratoga | thanks |
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| 04:55:15 | wrave | just a quick question if anyone would care to answer just installed rock box to my 5.5g 30g ipod movie everything works fine but why is text so small and seem out of place and how i fix? |
| 04:56:24 | safetydan | wrave, did you install the fonts package? |
| 04:56:35 | wrave | no but i have it downloaded |
| 04:56:47 | saratoga | safetydan: the old code has a #include "file.h" |
| 04:56:56 | saratoga | would that give it access to the rockbox open command? |
| 04:57:28 | safetydan | saratoga, yes, but obviously plugins can't call the directly |
| 04:57:31 | JdGordon | lostlogic: you still round? |
| 04:57:40 | safetydan | wrave, you need to unzip the fonts package on to your iPod |
| 04:57:45 | saratoga | safetydan: why can't they again? |
| 04:58:25 | JdGordon | saratoga: the only header you need to include in your plugin is plugins.h and any from the appls/plugins/lib folder that your use |
| 04:58:42 | wrave | ok thanks trying that now |
| 04:58:48 | JdGordon | any "standard c" function you want to use needs to be called like rb->open() or rb->strcpy() |
| 04:58:55 | saratoga | but the old code, which actually included the inviddual header files, was able to work that way I think |
| 04:59:03 | saratoga | i'm trying to understand what it did |
| 04:59:45 | JdGordon | a bad fluke? |
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| 05:00:02 | saratoga | you mean that it shouldn't be able to do that? |
| 05:00:12 | safetydan | saratoga, no it should not be able to do that. |
| 05:00:41 | saratoga | why exactly shouldn't that work was basically what i'm getting at? |
| 05:01:00 | saratoga | i realize its poor coding |
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| 05:01:25 | saratoga | but what would have stopped it from doing some thing #include "../../../firmware/include/file.h" |
| 05:01:37 | safetydan | Ah, well I'm not overly familiar with the plugin/codec loader, but basically as I undesrand it the only access a plugin has to the rest of Rockbox is through the code_api/plugin_api reference. |
| 05:02:51 | JdGordon | saratoga: well yeah, that might work for the sim because of the order the .h's are included in (so the redefine open to sim_open may not have happened yet which would make it "work") |
| 05:03:01 | JdGordon | but on target there is 100% no way it would compile |
| 05:03:11 | safetydan | saratoga, nothing would stop it including that file. But at runtime it's going to fail miserably because of the way plugins are linked. |
| 05:03:18 | JdGordon | it will say undefined reference to open when it tries linking at the end |
| 05:03:38 | saratoga | that makes sense |
| 05:03:55 | saratoga | so i should go through each file and add an #include plugin.h |
| 05:04:07 | saratoga | and that will give me a reference to the rb struct? |
| 05:04:16 | saratoga | or do I need to figure out a way to pass it in on my own |
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| 05:04:56 | JdGordon | add the #include, and in plugin_entry make sure you do rb = api; before calling anything from the struct |
| 05:05:05 | JdGordon | have a look at the hello world plugin |
| 05:05:18 | saratoga | yeah i saw that, just wondering how it works when theres multiple files |
| 05:05:28 | linuxstb | saratoga: Are there any existing .h files included by all your .c files? |
| 05:05:43 | saratoga | probably, or at least most of them |
| 05:06:36 | saratoga | i guess what i'm asking is if its enough to just add the plugin.h to each file or to something they include, or if I have to pass in a reference from the plugin entry point |
| 05:06:48 | linuxstb | You need to do two things in each file - #include "plugin.h", and also declare "extern struct plugin_api* rb;" |
| 05:06:53 | saratoga | ah |
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| 05:06:59 | saratoga | thats easy enough |
| 05:07:08 | linuxstb | And make sure you don't declare rb as "static" in your main plugin file. |
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| 05:07:28 | JdGordon | or p[ossibly better, add the extern struct... line to a .h which you include in each file (NOT plugin.h though) |
| 05:07:37 | safetydan | saratoga, also take a look at the way the doom plugin does things. There's an include file called "rockmacros.h" the defines a bunch of wrappers for various common functions (like open()). |
| 05:08:18 | saratoga | thanks for the help, now i'm going to bed |
| 05:08:24 | saratoga | hopefully get this thing working in the sim tomorrow |
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| 05:19:49 | ithemes | hello |
| 05:20:22 | ithemes | i need to know one thing |
| 05:20:33 | ithemes | and this is gonna make me sound like a nube |
| 05:20:48 | ithemes | could someone please tell me how to install patches??? |
| 05:21:41 | safetydan | ithemes, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
| 05:22:08 | safetydan | oh actually, you'll probably want to figure out how to compile your own build first |
| 05:22:16 | ithemes | ok |
| 05:22:20 | ithemes | thank you |
| 05:22:31 | safetydan | ithemes, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 05:22:31 | ithemes | do you know C++ |
| 05:22:38 | ithemes | ? |
| 05:22:38 | safetydan | no |
| 05:22:42 | ithemes | ok |
| 05:23:00 | ithemes | cause i also need a program to convert a C++ program to a C program |
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| 05:24:07 | ithemes | hi |
| 05:24:16 | ithemes | could you repaste that link??? |
| 05:24:26 | ithemes | my firefox bugged out |
| 05:25:39 | ithemes | could anybody repaste that link that sandman made |
| 05:25:54 | ithemes | edit: safetydan |
| 05:27:09 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 05:27:26 | ithemes | no |
| 05:27:29 | ithemes | the other one |
| 05:27:37 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
| 05:27:50 | ithemes | THANK GOD FOR YOU AND SAFETYDAN |
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| 05:32:09 | ithemes | ok |
| 05:32:12 | ithemes | i got a q |
| 05:32:18 | ithemes | EVERYBODY |
| 05:32:35 | ithemes | always talks about GBA emulations and NES and SNES emulation |
| 05:32:44 | ithemes | but i look everywhere |
| 05:32:56 | ithemes | and IVE NEVER SEEN ANYBODY take initiative |
| 05:33:06 | ithemes | wy? |
| 05:33:38 | ithemes | these are amazing things that could really give Rockbox some popularity |
| 05:33:46 | ithemes | also |
| 05:33:57 | ithemes | we need dual boot without using IPL |
| 05:34:22 | ithemes | those are some of the reasons why people DONT choose ROCKBOX |
| 05:34:26 | ithemes | peace out |
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| 05:35:04 | * | rotator slaps his forehead |
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| 05:43:30 | safetydan | Was that for real? |
| 05:47:05 | alienbiker99 | wow what an idiot |
| 05:49:23 | ptw419 | <ithemes> cause i also need a program to convert a C++ program to a C program |
| 05:49:26 | ptw419 | thats funny |
| 05:50:22 | hcs | I'd like such a program... |
| 05:50:32 | alienbiker99 | hahaha im outta here, cya |
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| 05:53:27 | Mouser_X | If Gameboy emulation is possible, I'd think that NES emulation is possible. GBA? No way... The Gigabeat S maybe, but I strongly doubt anything else could pull that off. Same goes for SNES. |
| 05:53:54 | Mouser_X | (Well, the F might do SNES, if it was optimized enough.) |
| 05:54:23 | alienbiker99 | S is more powerful than the f no? |
| 05:54:38 | Mouser_X | By far. |
| 05:55:02 | Mouser_X | F = 300 mhz CPU (or thereabouts). S = 533 mhz CPU (or so I'm told.) |
| 05:55:34 | alienbiker99 | yeah thats whats in the S, emulation is a huge process though |
| 05:55:43 | Mouser_X | Indeed. |
| 05:56:03 | ptw419 | alien you get my pm? |
| 05:56:13 | alienbiker99 | nope |
| 05:56:13 | Mouser_X | ZSNES ran great on my 200 mhz PC though. Of course, ZSNES also employed a large bit of ASM into it... |
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| 05:56:46 | Mouser_X | Howdy scorche. |
| 05:56:53 | Mouser_X | Devcon page needs an update... |
| 05:57:12 | hcs | heh |
| 05:57:14 | ptw419 | isn't there already a gb emu w/ rockbox? |
| 05:57:19 | Mouser_X | Yes. |
| 05:57:28 | Mouser_X | It's Rockboy. GBA != GB |
| 05:57:34 | ptw419 | ah regular gb |
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| 05:57:41 | scorche | I know it does...havent had my comp set up for a bit |
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| 05:58:02 | Mouser_X | Ah. |
| 05:58:07 | ptw419 | get it now alien? |
| 05:58:14 | alienbiker99 | i just realized my S is faster than my psp |
| 05:58:21 | alienbiker99 | yep i got it |
| 05:58:47 | ptw419 | email me at ptw419@yahoo.com your email address, i'll be happy to get you started |
| 05:59:01 | Mouser_X | alienbiker99: Heh. That's pretty interesting. |
| 05:59:14 | ptw419 | gotta go though |
| 05:59:15 | alienbiker99 | psp proc is 333mhz max |
| 05:59:20 | alienbiker99 | alright bye |
| 05:59:44 | alienbiker99 | im emailing you right now |
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| 06:01:46 | alienbiker99 | the specs between the gba and snes are pretty close in some spots |
| 06:03:28 | Mouser_X | alienbiker99: Indeed. The GBA has been compared to a handheld SNES a few times. Obviously better, but not necessarily a bad comparison. |
| 06:03:50 | alienbiker99 | yep |
| 06:04:06 | alienbiker99 | ive gotta go cya |
| 06:04:22 | Mouser_X | However, for GSF files (GBA audio), it takes a lot of CPU to run. N64 audio files run at around 400 mhz. GSFs often take at least that much, to run full speed. |
| 06:04:35 | Mouser_X | Bye. |
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| 06:06:55 | scorche | oh wow...that ithemes guy was sad... |
| 06:07:17 | Mouser_X | I thought it was kind of funny. |
| 06:07:47 | midkay | ithemes? |
| 06:07:48 | scorche | he needed to be muted... |
| 06:07:52 | scorche | midkay: log |
| 06:08:02 | midkay | oh. |
| 06:08:41 | midkay | haha. |
| 06:09:15 | scorche | oye...i have a lot of notes to summarize |
| 06:11:14 | toffe82 | scorche: I arrive at home safely, thanks for the good time we all spend together |
| 06:11:24 | scorche | thanks for coming! |
| 06:16:29 | toffe82 | I am going to bed now, see you later |
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| 06:20:20 | scorche | hcs: hey there...sorry about not picking up, but i eventually agev them your number =) |
| 06:20:52 | scorche | also, are you able to upload the rest of the pics? |
| 06:21:06 | Soap | except the ones with me in them. |
| 06:21:11 | hcs | I'll see what's left |
| 06:21:12 | homielowe | could someone direct me to a wiki page or some documentation on this newfangled colours associated with filetypes thing? |
| 06:21:24 | Mouser_X | ^ Indeed. |
| 06:21:26 | Soap | my face is copyrighted and not licensed for distribution |
| 06:21:31 | Mouser_X | lol |
| 06:21:37 | scorche | homielowe: look at the commit message... |
| 06:21:40 | Soap | homielowe, not one last time I looked. |
| 06:21:52 | Soap | he documented only in his code comments at this point in time. |
| 06:21:54 | scorche | "See the comments on read_color_theme_file and the sample.colors file provided for how to use this. .colors files go in themes directory for now." |
| 06:22:09 | homielowe | will do |
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| 06:59:02 | hcs | doh, found it, it was indeed a static |
| 06:59:42 | hcs | two, actually |
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| 07:00:15 | hcs | my homemade assert() says "OH NO, MR BILL!" |
| 07:00:36 | hcs | yep, working on the sim now |
| 07:07:55 | hcs | and yay, works on the jiggabeat |
| 07:08:10 | hcs | now to get in position for flight and pick up a drink |
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| 08:08:18 | JdGordon | anyone know a program to fix the playtime of an mp3? it says hours instead of 3min :( |
| 08:09:40 | amiconn | If it's vbr, the xing tag is probably corrupt |
| 08:09:51 | amiconn | On windows I can recommend mp3val |
| 08:10:10 | JdGordon | linux? |
| 08:10:14 | amiconn | no idea... |
| 08:10:25 | JdGordon | actually, how small is mp3val, i might grab it anyway |
| 08:10:42 | * | JdGordon is currently capped to 8k/s down speed :'( |
| 08:11:31 | amiconn | 135KB uncompressed (including its graphical frontend |
| 08:11:34 | amiconn | ) |
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| 08:11:48 | JdGordon | mp3val has the sources, so ill just try my luck compiing it |
| 08:12:21 | JdGordon | awesome, there is a debian package for it :) |
| 08:12:25 | JdGordon | cheers amiconn |
| 08:12:37 | amiconn | Ah, didn't remember it's actually platform independent |
| 08:14:14 | * | lostlogic waves from his next travel destination |
| 08:14:28 | lostlogic | definitely looks like my colors stuff needs some useability study :-P |
| 08:14:59 | amiconn | Strange feature, that |
| 08:15:12 | JdGordon | and a bit annoying to setup :) |
| 08:15:28 | JdGordon | amiconn: the songs are cbr... |
| 08:15:53 | amiconn | I first wondered about the commit msg; the lcd driver always allowed using different text colours... |
| 08:16:09 | lostlogic | JdGordon: definitely annoying to setup, I'm no GUI guy, but I happen to know that you are, so feel free to make it easier to use :) |
| 08:16:22 | lostlogic | amiconn: why strange? I prefer it to icons as a way to identify file types |
| 08:16:26 | amiconn | JdGordon: Then they still can have an info tag, or some broken mp3 frame at the start that causes some players to display wrong playtime |
| 08:16:32 | JdGordon | haha, im no gui guy.. :) |
| 08:16:33 | lostlogic | amiconn: and of course it opens the door to many colored wpss |
| 08:16:53 | lostlogic | JdGordon: hmm... you have done more gui-ish stuff on rb than I at least ;) |
| 08:17:14 | JdGordon | true... but still.... :( |
| 08:17:36 | * | JdGordon was thinking about adding a name->hex function for colours |
| 08:18:10 | amiconn | lostlogic: Hmm, I'm undecided whether this is good or bad. There is already a load of wps'es, but only a very few of them are actually usable |
| 08:19:07 | lostlogic | amiconn: well sure, but maybe this will encourage more plain text WPSs that are pretty and useable |
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| 09:16:05 | Ccase2k | hey guys |
| 09:16:17 | * | B4gder re-heys |
| 09:16:29 | Ccase2k | i have an extreme noob questin |
| 09:16:34 | Ccase2k | question* |
| 09:16:53 | Ccase2k | how do i install .patch files?! |
| 09:17:12 | B4gder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
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| 09:17:36 | linuxstb | You don't "install" them. Patches are changes to the Rockbox source code - you apply the changes specified in the patch and then compile Rockbox to create your modified build. |
| 09:17:52 | Ccase2k | ahhh shit i see |
| 09:18:26 | Ccase2k | ohh boy this is going to be a very long hard trek into the codes lands |
| 09:18:34 | linuxstb | Or you find someone else who has done that with the patch(es) you're interested in and use their build - try the "Unsupported builds" forum. |
| 09:18:45 | Ccase2k | ahhh i see |
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| 09:27:50 | Ccase2k | holy shit this doesnt make anysense |
| 09:28:04 | petur | how? |
| 09:28:14 | Ccase2k | how the hell do i do this because those "patch tools" are confusing |
| 09:28:30 | B4gder | Ccase2k: step 1 should be to get a full development environment working |
| 09:28:40 | B4gder | to be able to build an unmodified build |
| 09:28:56 | B4gder | when that works you can start thinking about patching the sources |
| 09:29:06 | Ccase2k | ahhh damn |
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| 09:32:08 | Red_Wind | can rockbox work on a zen |
| 09:32:21 | B4gder | Red_Wind: not until you make it do so ;-) |
| 09:32:36 | Red_Wind | lol |
| 09:32:51 | Red_Wind | I wish it did |
| 09:33:00 | B4gder | so do we |
| 09:34:05 | Red_Wind | is the manual page on the site up to date, meaning is that all the players that it will work on |
| 09:34:23 | B4gder | rockbox.org's front page lists all supported targets |
| 09:34:58 | Red_Wind | that suck it dosent support any good players |
| 09:35:21 | linuxstb | "good" means "creative" ? |
| 09:35:31 | scorche | there is quite a good amount of good hardware...the original firmware doesnt matter... |
| 09:35:45 | Red_Wind | yeah that the only good players that I have found yet |
| 09:35:50 | B4gder | "good" means zen I guess ;-) |
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| 09:36:05 | B4gder | Red_Wind: no players are "good" without Rockbox... |
| 09:36:07 | scorche | Red_Wind: and why do you consider the others on that list bad? |
| 09:36:17 | Red_Wind | yeah but size and durability also counts |
| 09:36:52 | Red_Wind | durability and size |
| 09:36:56 | B4gder | creative players being particularly durable? |
| 09:37:03 | B4gder | that's news to me |
| 09:37:06 | JdGordon | B4gder: have you seen the lang sorting patch I put on FS? |
| 09:37:12 | B4gder | no |
| 09:37:25 | B4gder | mostly been fighting the daemons of new IP ranges |
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| 09:37:38 | Red_Wind | yeah so far the ipod broke alot more then my zen |
| 09:37:56 | B4gder | rockbox runs on plenty more players than just ipods |
| 09:38:07 | Red_Wind | yeah but mostly ipod |
| 09:38:12 | B4gder | oh no |
| 09:38:55 | Red_Wind | I know it plays with other players but if you compare how many diff players ipod has how you will see whatr I mean |
| 09:39:05 | JdGordon | B4gder: FS #7319, Its a nice simple solution, but probbaly not customizable enough |
| 09:39:11 | linuxstb | Red_Wind: The manual page lists 15 devices which aren't ipods, and 6 which are... |
| 09:40:01 | Red_Wind | yeah |
| 09:40:11 | linuxstb | That can't be called "mostly ipod". |
| 09:40:33 | Red_Wind | ok mostly archos ipod and iriver |
| 09:40:37 | B4gder | JdGordon: someone with a unicode should take a look at it |
| 09:40:41 | B4gder | unicode mind |
| 09:41:05 | linuxstb | Red_Wind: Mostly everyone apart from Creative... But we would like that to change. |
| 09:41:24 | JdGordon | probably.. I just thought you shuold make sure its not breaking the lang files at all |
| 09:41:56 | B4gder | it won't break them if it simply adds a new string |
| 09:42:34 | B4gder | but I don't see why you need the special treatment in genlang |
| 09:42:58 | JdGordon | because it would never be spoken, and possibly nice to keep it at te top of the file? |
| 09:43:48 | B4gder | 1) there are already many strings never spoken and we deal with that in the files, and 2) that would only add a weird special-case I think we should avoid |
| 09:43:57 | Red_Wind | your also missing the zune |
| 09:44:05 | JdGordon | Red_Wind: we are?? |
| 09:44:08 | JdGordon | oh noes! |
| 09:44:10 | B4gder | Red_Wind: again, feel free to make that happen |
| 09:44:15 | B4gder | we are all volunteers |
| 09:44:19 | B4gder | spare time hacking on this |
| 09:44:28 | * | JdGordon was conscripted... they are withholding food from me |
| 09:44:36 | Red_Wind | I know, I am just complaining |
| 09:44:38 | B4gder | we probably "miss" hundreds or possibly thousands of players |
| 09:44:43 | GodEater | We're letting the Zune-Linux guys handle the Zune |
| 09:44:47 | scorche | Red_Wind: if you are just complaining, stop please |
| 09:44:49 | GodEater | they're way better than us |
| 09:44:49 | Red_Wind | if I could do it I would help |
| 09:47:23 | linuxstb | Red_Wind: Ports of Rockbox to new players happen by users of those players. We're all far too busy with our own players to worry about others, and so far no Creative owner has stepped forward. |
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| 09:48:49 | Red_Wind | how do you create the firmware anyway |
| 09:49:08 | scorche | Red_Wind: see the wiki page NewPort |
| 09:49:14 | Red_Wind | k |
| 09:50:08 | petur | if google had given us another student.... |
| 09:50:17 | LinusN | :-) |
| 09:50:27 | * | scorche growls at petur |
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| 09:56:59 | Red_Wind | ok I will read more in depth I need to head to bead I got to get up for work in an hour |
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| 10:02:19 | Zagor | markun: here? |
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| 10:05:53 | B4gder | lovely "debate" on gplv3 on the linux kernel list (again) |
| 10:06:17 | B4gder | linus' style of discussion do feed flames fine |
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| 10:06:28 | linuxstb | B4gder: Can you give us a one-line summary? |
| 10:06:43 | B4gder | linus says gplv3 sucks and that FSF are morons |
| 10:06:56 | linuxstb | Business as usual then... |
| 10:07:01 | B4gder | rather explicitly too |
| 10:07:05 | B4gder | yes |
| 10:07:27 | JdGordon | morns instead of stupid and ugly!? |
| 10:08:10 | B4gder | well, that wasn't his exact words |
| 10:08:14 | B4gder | http://kerneltrap.org/node/8382 |
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| 10:18:45 | B4gder | "If you really thought anything else, you're just uninformed and stupid, and didn't think things through. |
| 10:18:45 | B4gder | " / Linus Torvalds |
| 10:19:11 | B4gder | :-) |
| 10:19:33 | Zagor | sounds like the classic Bill Joy quote |
| 10:19:47 | * | GodEater is still glad Linus wasn't too mean to him on the subject of git :) |
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| 10:33:27 | * | linuxstb wonders why paragraph 3 of the gpl - "complete source code means all the source code for all modules it contains, plus any associated interface definition files, plus the scripts used to control compilation and installation of the executable" isn't being violated by Tivo and friends |
| 10:34:34 | [Ray] | i haven't looked into the tivo code but i can imagine they give you all scripts , source and all |
| 10:34:42 | [Ray] | but leave out their private key to sign the stuff |
| 10:35:22 | B4gder | exactly |
| 10:36:00 | B4gder | and you get all the stuff to build the code fine, you just can't make it run on the hw |
| 10:36:08 | linuxstb | So you can't install it? |
| 10:36:20 | [Ray] | hardware goes nahh not signed by tivo |
| 10:36:22 | [Ray] | lets not run this |
| 10:39:15 | XavierGr | wow a lot of "calling-names" on those mailing lists, I wouldn't expect that from such persons... |
| 10:40:04 | GodEater | XavierGr: guess you don't read that list much :) |
| 10:40:25 | GodEater | linux-kernel-dev list AKA "flame-wars-r-us" |
| 10:40:27 | B4gder | the upside is that all other lists seem very polite and calm ;-) |
| 10:40:28 | XavierGr | indeed |
| 10:41:04 | XavierGr | I would expect them to be more civil, but if it is for a good cause I will pass on that :P |
| 10:43:18 | amiconn | JdGordon: Putting the sort order in the .lang file sounds like a bad idea. It will only work for the selected language |
| 10:43:45 | amiconn | After thinking about the pros and cons of the various methods, I now think going for the sorting tags is the best option |
| 10:44:30 | B4gder | what is the drawback with "only work for the selected language" ? I thought that was the point? |
| 10:44:34 | linuxstb | amiconn: But how can a multi-lingual list of files be sorted anyway? |
| 10:45:51 | amiconn | If they all use latin it will be kinda difficult, but if e.g one is latin and one is cyrrillic, both should be sorted properly |
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| 10:46:13 | safetydan | linuxstb: there's a few algorithms that get it "mostly" right. |
| 10:46:24 | safetydan | european sort order, and the unicode collation stuff are the ones I know of |
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| 10:47:18 | amiconn | Also, sort tags allow accounting for personal preference (e.g. there are 2 ways to sort german umlauts) |
| 10:47:18 | gamma | hey there guys did a bat-bench on a gigabeat f40 - was playing various things from flac of insane bitrates (1200kbs) to oggs and mp3s as well as some periods of heavy menu usage and deleted a couple of folders off the hdd and my result was 19hours 50 minutes |
| 10:47:39 | amiconn | ...and also stuff like leaving out articles, sorting by last name for artists etc |
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| 10:48:12 | linuxstb | But sorting tags have one disadvantage - they're not used by the file browser. |
| 10:48:33 | B4gder | indeed, and I thought that was a central sorting "place" |
| 10:48:52 | gamma | how do i post the batt bench results? |
| 10:49:14 | XavierGr | gamma you can edit the wiki with your final results |
| 10:49:23 | gamma | how? (i'm a wiki editing n00b) |
| 10:49:32 | gamma | oh wait.. i see... |
| 10:49:41 | XavierGr | what player is it? |
| 10:49:47 | gamma | ahh i can't register |
| 10:49:53 | gamma | gigabeat f40 |
| 10:49:59 | scorche | gamma: that is not how we recommend taking a benchmark... |
| 10:50:12 | gamma | oh how come? |
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| 10:50:29 | gamma | oh sorry |
| 10:50:33 | gamma | just read the procedure... d'oh! |
| 10:50:40 | scorche | =) |
| 10:50:44 | amiconn | B4gder: Not sure whether this would be a good idea. Unicode collation needs a lot of resources... |
| 10:50:51 | gamma | i won't bother then.. oh well at least I know with my tweaked settings i got nearly 20hours - yay! |
| 10:51:29 | XavierGr | well when and if you test with the right procedure here is the page to add your results: |
| 10:51:30 | XavierGr | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverRuntime?topic=GigabeatRuntime |
| 10:51:33 | safetydan | this also looks interesting for "quicky" collation http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-crispin-collation-unicasemap-04 |
| 10:51:50 | gamma | thanks |
| 10:52:12 | gamma | ok im off - just thought i'd share some news but you had to go and burst my bubble with your smelly procedures.. haha. |
| 10:52:13 | gamma | see ya |
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| 10:52:51 | JdGordon | amiconn: no, 2 different problems here, sort tags will not fix the language sorting issues |
| 10:53:20 | JdGordon | maybe we load a sort_order.txt file so the user has 100% control over it? |
| 10:54:56 | JdGordon | oh, should the rockbox_default.cfg theme restore all themeable settings (including icons and colours and file colours?) or just the settings it does currently? |
| 10:54:56 | safetydan | JdGordon: at text file could get awfully large awfully quickly. Think about sorting a CJK language for example. |
| 10:55:11 | JdGordon | CJK? |
| 10:55:26 | JdGordon | chinese japanase korean? |
| 10:56:00 | JdGordon | that wouldnt be a problem, because only users who actually use those languages would need a large file |
| 10:56:01 | pondlife | can just kollate? |
| 10:57:21 | safetydan | JdGordon: I have a few J-Pop files that I'd like sorted correctly. Oh and some Farsi ones too. |
| 10:57:55 | JdGordon | so you would need to either live with asciibetical sorting, or create your sort file... |
| 10:58:18 | JdGordon | I would think the vast maority of users would only use one language/alphabet system |
| 10:58:31 | pondlife | lostlogic: Is there an explanation of your colour theme mods anywhere - not technical, just what it offers (maybe a screenshot or 2)? |
| 10:59:18 | JdGordon | pondlife: it lets you choose the text colour for each file extnesion, instead of the icon |
| 10:59:31 | safetydan | JdGordon: I suppose it wouldn't be too large with latin1 + cyrillic + greek... |
| 10:59:38 | pondlife | Ah, I thought it was a WPS thing... that makes sense. |
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| 11:00:01 | JdGordon | IIUC it can be adapted to wps easily now or something? |
| 11:00:06 | pondlife | So multiple foreground colours, basically. |
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| 11:00:27 | pondlife | Hope this won't get in the way of viewports... |
| 11:00:54 | JdGordon | it shouldnt |
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| 11:01:42 | JdGordon | amiconn: 3 days warning... im going to nag you about viewports again on thursday, (last exam is wednesday) going to need something fun to code in all my free time :p |
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| 11:02:28 | ColdSphinX^ | hi |
| 11:03:26 | JdGordon | [19:02:15] [CTCP] Received Version request from ColdSphinX^. <- thats an awefully personal tihng to ask isnt it? |
| 11:03:54 | ColdSphinX^ | my multiprotocol client asks it :/ |
| 11:05:20 | ColdSphinX^ | i've a small question, shouldent "sample.colors" be moved from "docs" to "themes" on svn? |
| 11:05:29 | * | amiconn wonders why people are bothered about version requests |
| 11:05:41 | * | JdGordon was being silly... |
| 11:07:09 | petur | was? |
| 11:07:13 | petur | :p |
| 11:07:16 | JdGordon | ColdSphinX^: docs/ is put in the rockbox.zip anyway isnt it? |
| 11:07:30 | XavierGr | gah I've had enough of these GPL flame-wars these guys get no where.... |
| 11:08:44 | JdGordon | ColdSphinX^: ah, only COPYING.txt and LICENSE.txt is... |
| 11:09:00 | JdGordon | sample.colors (and sample.icons) should both be put there also /me thinks |
| 11:09:01 | petur | as Linus stated oh so nicely, it's a fundamental difference in the understanding of freedom (his comparing with stuff done in the US is spot-on I think) |
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| 11:09:06 | ColdSphinX^ | yes, but I can't find the sample.colors file in the iax5zip, but it was added to the files list, hmm |
| 11:09:20 | JdGordon | different file list I assume |
| 11:10:31 | pondlife | petur: Where's this conversation..? |
| 11:10:40 | JdGordon | shouldnt the profont license be in the .zip also? |
| 11:10:57 | JdGordon | B4gder: any reason to not put the whole docs/ folder in the zip? |
| 11:11:21 | JdGordon | its 300 bytes |
| 11:11:47 | JdGordon | bah, no its not |
| 11:12:09 | JdGordon | 200kb |
| 11:12:18 | petur | pondlife: http://kerneltrap.org/node/8382 |
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| 11:14:20 | markun | Zagor: I am now |
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| 11:14:58 | Zagor | markun: would you consider yourself our main ogg ninja? :) |
| 11:15:07 | markun | no :) |
| 11:15:15 | Zagor | I have a student who wants to ask a few questions about ogg in rockbox |
| 11:15:20 | XavierGr | Wow LinusT is aggresive for sure! Poor Alexandre Oliva :\ |
| 11:15:57 | markun | Zagor: he can always ask me. You don't know the answers to his quesions? |
| 11:16:08 | XavierGr | very offensive way of expressing his view if you ask me |
| 11:16:42 | B4gder | XavierGr: yes he has, I think he mostly is unnecessary brutal |
| 11:17:18 | XavierGr | indeed |
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| 11:18:08 | JdGordon | any objections to http://pastebin.ca/573855? |
| 11:18:39 | JdGordon | (apart from the missin comma) |
| 11:20:25 | ColdSphinX^ | how about adding the whole dir, because there are some useful FAQ's ? |
| 11:21:03 | JdGordon | I dont think the whole one is necassery |
| 11:21:15 | B4gder | that font license is only needed for zips including fonts |
| 11:21:17 | JdGordon | and most would be painful to read on the DAP |
| 11:21:32 | B4gder | most docs in docs/ are outdated |
| 11:22:37 | ColdSphinX^ | then add the profontdoc.txt to the fonts-zip and sample.colors to the build |
| 11:23:23 | JdGordon | fixed |
| 11:26:57 | linuxstb | Zagor: I think Lear has done a lot of the work on vorbis, and maybe preglow. |
| 11:31:17 | Zagor | ok |
| 11:32:17 | JdGordon | ColdSphinX^: doned |
| 11:32:37 | JdGordon | yay :) I remembered my svn password |
| 11:32:50 | ColdSphinX^ | :D |
| 11:33:04 | * | JdGordon gives an evil stare to those who started crying just then! |
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| 11:38:11 | JdGordon | hey Nico_P |
| 11:38:15 | Nico_P | hi |
| 11:38:33 | JdGordon | you mentioned the buffering api and code I put up this morning |
| 11:38:55 | JdGordon | I wouldnt try using that as a base for anything.. I hacked a plugin around it and it failed miserably |
| 11:38:59 | Nico_P | yes. haven't looked at the code yet though |
| 11:39:07 | Nico_P | oh right |
| 11:39:21 | Nico_P | any idea why it failed ? |
| 11:39:42 | JdGordon | a few... partly because I wrote it :p |
| 11:40:21 | Nico_P | :) |
| 11:40:25 | JdGordon | also, the way it unbuffers data is wrong wihch I tihnk is the main problem |
| 11:40:55 | Nico_P | you actually erase the data or just mark it as used ? |
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| 11:42:00 | JdGordon | a pointer is moved, but its all wrong |
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| 11:42:44 | Nico_P | ok |
| 11:42:46 | yeppa | hi there |
| 11:43:01 | Nico_P | I'll have a look anyway, maybe it'll give me inspiration :) |
| 11:43:14 | yeppa | guys, my iriver has bugged |
| 11:43:17 | * | Nico_P is off for a shower now |
| 11:43:28 | yeppa | I currently have a blank screen and don't know how to restart it |
| 11:43:39 | yeppa | (except waiting for the battery to be empty...) |
| 11:43:51 | yeppa | is there a way to restart it? |
| 11:43:52 | JdGordon | which iriver? |
| 11:43:57 | yeppa | ihp120 |
| 11:44:00 | petur | yeppa: the reset hole below the mic |
| 11:44:09 | petur | errr at the bottom then |
| 11:44:22 | yeppa | oh yes :) |
| 11:44:29 | yeppa | thanks didn't know there was a reset button :D |
| 11:45:13 | linuxstb | There wouldn't be a Rockbox port without it... |
| 11:45:32 | yeppa | First time I used rockbox was with an archos |
| 11:45:42 | * | linuxstb imagines a lot of devs have worn out their reset button |
| 11:45:52 | yeppa | I'm so happy to have discovered it exist for my ihp120! |
| 11:45:55 | JdGordon | and usb connectors |
| 11:46:08 | petur | that for sure |
| 11:47:17 | yeppa | I have another question :) |
| 11:47:39 | yeppa | is it possible to have a random on the whole disc? |
| 11:47:44 | yeppa | and not only on a given directory |
| 11:48:18 | yeppa | only way I found was to add each directory to the playlist but it's quite long :( |
| 11:49:30 | JdGordon | if all your music is under 1 folder then just add that (enable the recursive insert setting) |
| 11:49:38 | yeppa | it's not :) |
| 11:49:43 | yeppa | unfortunately |
| 11:49:47 | JdGordon | do you use the database? |
| 11:49:57 | yeppa | I tried |
| 11:50:14 | JdGordon | ok, in the main menu go playlist |
| 11:50:21 | JdGordon | the top option is what you want |
| 11:50:36 | JdGordon | it will create root.m3u(8?) which will have every song in it |
| 11:50:40 | yeppa | ah! |
| 11:50:43 | JdGordon | then just load it and randomise |
| 11:51:21 | yeppa | perfect :) |
| 11:51:39 | yeppa | why it's not possible to have a random on the whole disc? |
| 11:51:48 | yeppa | is there a technical reason not to be able to do so? |
| 11:51:52 | JdGordon | i just showed you it is.... |
| 11:51:57 | yeppa | yes |
| 11:52:01 | yeppa | automatically I mean ;) |
| 11:52:08 | JdGordon | because its not needed. |
| 11:52:16 | petur | rockbox is playlist driven |
| 11:52:22 | JdGordon | if you use the databse, or store all your music under 1 folder its much eaiser |
| 11:52:29 | petur | there's always a playlist involved |
| 11:52:40 | yeppa | yeah will move everything under one single folder then |
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| 11:56:46 | yeppa | if you guys need some graphic stuff, I'd be happy to help |
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| 12:08:48 | JdGordon | shouldnt holding menu when plugging usb in the ipod stop it from rebooting so it just charges? |
| 12:10:18 | dionoea | that hasn't worked on my ipod for like 2 weeks |
| 12:10:50 | JdGordon | hmm... its not showing what I assume is the OF recovery charging screen or something |
| 12:10:53 | dionoea | (+ it boots into the apple firmware if i plug usb when the hold button is switched) |
| 12:12:11 | linuxstb | yeppa: The plugins could always benefit from brightening up with nicer graphics... |
| 12:16:35 | dionoea | especialy the new jewels puzzle tiles which look awful |
| 12:17:14 | Zagor | new tiles? |
| 12:18:57 | dionoea | well yeah, i added a puzzle mode which needed new tiles |
| 12:19:26 | dionoea | commited that saturday i think |
| 12:24:37 | yeppa | where can I see that? :) |
| 12:25:25 | yeppa | the one on the site does not look awful |
| 12:27:44 | linuxstb | I don't think the screenshots have been updated for the new puzzle mode |
| 12:33:56 | GodEater | wrt: holding menu on insert of usb on the ipod - works fine here. Using a build I downloaded 2 minutes ago. |
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| 12:35:46 | linuxstb | GodEater: It might be related to the host OS - what are you using? |
| 12:36:04 | GodEater | linux of course ;) |
| 12:36:42 | GodEater | I *do* make sure I hold the menu button down for quite a while - to give all the rockbox threads as much chance as possible to notice the usb connection. |
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| 12:43:51 | crop | Hmm... I was struck (after having used RB for about two years!) by the fact that the file name extensions are not shown in the file browser. Is there an option to display them? |
| 12:47:06 | crop | But OTOH the fact that I haven't realized this is an evidence that the GUI is ok. But still: we can use different icons, now even different colors (this doesn't apply to me, I have H120), but no name extensions? |
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| 12:48:23 | Zagor | crop: when you select "show all files" you also get the extensions |
| 12:48:39 | Zagor | settings->general->file view->show files: all |
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| 12:50:38 | crop | Zagor: thanks! Most of the time I use "music" and escape to "supported" now and then |
| 12:50:50 | crop | I use the quick screen for that |
| 12:50:55 | pondlife | JdGordon: horrible code? :( |
| 12:51:18 | crop | Zagor: shouldn't that actually be two different settings? |
| 12:51:43 | B4gder | crop: it has worked like this for ages with no apparent problems... |
| 12:51:46 | Zagor | crop: we try to keep down the number of settings, so this is combined. |
| 12:52:26 | crop | Ok, you win. Two vs. one :-) |
| 12:53:02 | B4gder | :-) |
| 12:56:06 | * | linuxstb would quite like a separate "show extensions" setting... |
| 12:57:38 | crop | Even Windows Explorer has it! :-P |
| 12:58:08 | B4gder | and since Rockbox basically is a Windows Explore clone... |
| 12:58:12 | B4gder | :-P |
| 12:59:28 | crop | I mean if even such a little and feature poor prog has it it's a shame that RB still hasn't got it |
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| 13:01:14 | B4gder | I don't think the comparison with that tool matters one tiny bit |
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| 13:01:30 | B4gder | but instead if people actually miss it in Rockbox I think it matters a lot |
| 13:01:54 | linuxstb | I think it was different on hwcodec - the icons tell you the filetype. But Rockbox now supports many different types of files, many sharing the same icon. |
| 13:02:02 | B4gder | true |
| 13:02:37 | linuxstb | But I don't want it enough to implement it... |
| 13:02:40 | crop | On a more serious note: was it by accident or a deliberate decision? I.e. if we show only supported files we can use icons to distinguish them but if all files are shown, even with exotic exts, then we have to use the exts. |
| 13:03:13 | crop | But what if I show only music and disable icons? That's the way I do since the screen is not very large. |
| 13:05:06 | crop | And no, I don't really miss it. |
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| 13:24:07 | safetydan | hrm, it's at least 64 kb worth of code to get unicode collation working on coldfire |
| 13:24:18 | B4gder | ouch |
| 13:24:46 | LinusN | still, what is 64K out of 32megs? |
| 13:24:54 | safetydan | well actually it's not code, it's static data |
| 13:25:08 | B4gder | its not a lot, but then its "just" sorting |
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| 13:36:59 | linuxstb | How much code is needed? |
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| 13:37:54 | safetydan | linuxstb: not all that much I hope |
| 13:38:45 | markun | safetydan: is the static data compressed in some simple way? |
| 13:38:50 | markun | or is that not possible? |
| 13:39:15 | safetydan | markun: it's compressed in the sense that it's no longer a 1.something meg text file |
| 13:39:22 | safetydan | but no, no other compression has been applied |
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| 13:39:43 | JdGordon | pondlife: yeah, it was horrible |
| 13:39:52 | markun | safetydan: do you have a link to the data? |
| 13:40:01 | JdGordon | linuxstb: should be easy to add if we want to waste a bit more bin space |
| 13:40:14 | preglow | Nico_P: could you whip up a quick gsoc project status page on the wiki? |
| 13:40:22 | safetydan | markun: http://www.unicode.org/Public/UCA/latest/allkeys.txt |
| 13:40:50 | Nico_P | preglow: not right now but maybe later today... what would you like to see in it ? |
| 13:40:52 | safetydan | markun: http://unicode.org/reports/tr10/ is what you need to figure out what that means |
| 13:40:58 | * | JdGordon still thinks putting a proper full unicode collation thing in is a waste |
| 13:41:26 | GodEater | what does it give us we don't already have ? |
| 13:41:35 | * | GodEater is still a bit lost in the unicode world... |
| 13:41:43 | preglow | Nico_P: that's up to you, really, just something that shows what you're trying to achieve and current status |
| 13:41:48 | preglow | Nico_P: check the ones already at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SummerOfCode |
| 13:42:00 | preglow | Nico_P: plus, you don't _have_ to, but it would be nice |
| 13:42:46 | * | petur hasn't seen austriancoder the last few days :/ |
| 13:43:02 | safetydan | GodEater, nearly "correct" sorting for most languages. Which is also tailorable for specific language rules. |
| 13:43:51 | Nico_P | preglow: I haven't got much to add to the already existing BufferingApiProposal page for the time being, but I've been thinking and I'll be able to start coding in a few days |
| 13:44:03 | Nico_P | my schoolyear is almost over |
| 13:44:48 | pondlife | :) |
| 13:44:50 | preglow | goodie |
| 13:44:54 | JdGordon | Nico_P: how much of the buffering api are you planning on doing for gsoc? the whole thing? or getting mob going with the existing api? |
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| 13:45:50 | pondlife | The buffering API thing was not really meant to be related to M-on-B... more an idea for sorting out the existing code. It may not even be a good idea... |
| 13:46:00 | Nico_P | JdGordon: I think it's important to build MoB over something sane, so I'll probably implement the buffering API and then the MoB part should be much easier |
| 13:46:20 | JdGordon | ok cool |
| 13:46:37 | pondlife | Nico_P: That's the correct attitude, but you may need to find something else sane... ;) |
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| 13:47:02 | * | JdGordon sort of agreeing with pondlife |
| 13:47:03 | markun | safetydan: does sorting by unicode number give much more incorrect results? |
| 13:47:11 | Nico_P | pondlife: maybe... I'll probably make some changes along the way but the general idea seems good to me |
| 13:47:13 | JdGordon | you might end up spending the whole time just getting the new api to work |
| 13:47:30 | safetydan | markun: yes |
| 13:47:35 | * | JdGordon hoping to have a better go later in the week |
| 13:48:02 | markun | safetydan: like what? |
| 13:48:32 | safetydan | markun: well it makes the sort case sensitive for a start, then accented characters always come last as well |
| 13:48:32 | Nico_P | JdGordon: I'll be free and back home on friday so that's around when I'll start coding |
| 13:49:23 | * | Nico_P has an exam now |
| 13:49:26 | Nico_P | bye ;) |
| 13:49:30 | pondlife | good luck |
| 13:49:30 | JdGordon | good luck |
| 13:49:33 | pondlife | :) |
| 13:49:34 | Nico_P | thanks :) |
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| 13:49:56 | markun | safetydan: accented latin comes even after normal greek, or just after normal latin? |
| 13:50:33 | safetydan | markun: after unaccented latin. Check the codepoint tables at unicode.org to see the order. |
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| 13:55:30 | JdGordon | pondlife: did you see my comment on the keyclick patch? |
| 13:56:16 | pondlife | Yes |
| 13:56:39 | pondlife | I think the scrollwheel support is correct doing this. |
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| 13:56:51 | pondlife | I will work on the beep length and frequency... |
| 13:57:08 | JdGordon | I'm not sure, I think on the wheel only it should beep on repeats |
| 13:57:10 | pondlife | A proper click (i.e. very short) is often inaudible, sadly. |
| 13:57:29 | JdGordon | the length is ok, just the frequency is a bit odd |
| 13:57:33 | pondlife | Too low? |
| 13:57:50 | JdGordon | i dunno.. doesnt sound like a click... |
| 13:58:04 | pondlife | I wanted the click to mean "you have got your finger in the right place." :) |
| 13:58:09 | * | JdGordon gonna have a bit of a play with it |
| 13:58:11 | pondlife | so to speak |
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| 14:00:07 | JdGordon | I'm not sure, but isnt the reason for the piezo click on the ipods so you have some sort of feedback on the wheel? so doing a click every repeat would make sense? |
| 14:00:56 | pondlife | Not sure, but I've never used a scrollwheel in my life :/ |
| 14:01:10 | pondlife | So feel free to improve! |
| 14:01:19 | JdGordon | does the click work in the sim? |
| 14:01:24 | pondlife | Should do |
| 14:01:44 | pondlife | But it's hard to simulate the actual input feel..! |
| 14:01:54 | JdGordon | no, but the sound should be the same though right? |
| 14:02:05 | JdGordon | moving the setting out of playback options might be nice also |
| 14:02:11 | pondlife | Yes, I agree. |
| 14:02:17 | JdGordon | sim does click |
| 14:02:29 | pondlife | I (temporarily?) re-used the "beep" setting. |
| 14:02:43 | pondlife | The final patch will probably add a new setting and put it in a sensible place. |
| 14:02:59 | JdGordon | :( click sounds better on the sim than it does on the sansa |
| 14:03:10 | pondlife | I wanted to try it out in theory first... did a lot of driving over the weekend and it was very useful. |
| 14:04:55 | JdGordon | actually, I'm tihnking maybe beeping on repeats is always good, except it should be softer than a normal beep |
| 14:05:17 | pondlife | That would be doable. |
| 14:05:39 | pondlife | I'd really like different pitches for different buttons, but can't see a way to do this in the apps/ code. |
| 14:06:21 | pondlife | Ideally it would be in the firmware/enqueuing rather than apps/dequeuing too, for speed of reaction. |
| 14:06:42 | JdGordon | meh, its good enough in the dequeueing |
| 14:06:45 | pondlife | Well, you can see the long wishlist on the FS entry. |
| 14:06:53 | pondlife | Yes, I suppose it is. |
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| 14:07:44 | JdGordon | seperate pitch for each button sounds a bit excessive, but could be easily added |
| 14:08:05 | pondlife | So you can be sure if you're nearly blind and a bit ham-fisted |
| 14:08:15 | pondlife | like me when driving |
| 14:09:06 | JdGordon | but its too late if you already pressed the wrong button |
| 14:09:23 | pondlife | Yes, but you can learn "down a bit" or "left a bit" |
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| 14:09:47 | pondlife | Just having the feedback improved it lots for me. |
| 14:10:07 | pondlife | The pitch thing might be a cherry on the top, or might just be annoying. |
| 14:10:42 | * | petur wonders how long before somebody makes a piano plugin |
| 14:10:59 | JdGordon | you cant feel the difference between the keys? |
| 14:11:00 | pondlife | Hmm, new virtual keyboard? |
| 14:11:12 | pondlife | JdGordon: Not easily |
| 14:11:21 | JdGordon | operating the ipod blind would be difficult i imagine |
| 14:11:36 | pondlife | The H300 remote has tiny keys for my fat fingers |
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| 14:13:33 | * | pondlife goes OT and fears that Glastonbury is going to be even wetter than last time. |
| 14:13:49 | pondlife | Better go and pack more socks, back later |
| 14:14:30 | GodEater | pack waders too :) |
| 14:14:51 | pondlife | Bought new wellies at the weekend, my trusty old DMs finally started leaking. |
| 14:15:38 | pondlife | They survived '97 '98 and '05 though, so not bad mileage. |
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| 14:17:05 | * | GodEater isn't into the "getting absolutely filthy / wet / cold and living under canvas" thing, so has never been to Glastonbury. |
| 14:17:21 | JdGordon | whats glastonbury? |
| 14:17:21 | pondlife | Well, the filthy is easily avoided. |
| 14:17:36 | pondlife | The wet is ok as long as you don't get cold |
| 14:17:50 | pondlife | canvas prevents hangovers |
| 14:18:03 | GodEater | JdGordon: huge music festival happens every year in the UK |
| 14:18:13 | JdGordon | what type of music? |
| 14:18:17 | pondlife | Everything |
| 14:18:22 | pondlife | It's gigantic |
| 14:18:28 | GodEater | yeah, goes on for a week or so |
| 14:18:33 | pondlife | Not just music either. |
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| 14:18:55 | pondlife | I enjoy it more than my birthday and Christmas. |
| 14:19:08 | * | GodEater thinks that wouldn't be hard |
| 14:19:12 | pondlife | lol |
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| 14:27:44 | AceNik_ | hey guys anyone try the new folder & file color feature yet, does it have a UI settings pane or needs to be in a.cfg file |
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| 14:29:05 | JdGordon | I tried it in the sim very briefly... |
| 14:29:14 | JdGordon | you ave to set it up manually |
| 14:29:20 | AceNik_ | so it has a UI |
| 14:29:23 | AceNik_ | how? |
| 14:29:27 | JdGordon | no, it has no ui |
| 14:29:51 | * | JdGordon might quickly whip up a gui for it in a plugin |
| 14:30:07 | AceNik_ | how to set it up, in a .cfg? |
| 14:30:41 | AceNik_ | but would making a plugin work, might as well make a settings thing in the LCD display pane |
| 14:31:25 | GodEater | why would that be any better ? |
| 14:31:26 | petur | bah, more bytes lost on junk |
| 14:31:30 | JdGordon | well, if its in a plugin I dont have to worry about such annoyances of making it use the lang stuff |
| 14:31:36 | AceNik_ | will it be possible to execute a plugin in Rockbox at a specified time & make it work in the background, like have the ability to switch between, normal mode & plugin mode |
| 14:31:41 | JdGordon | petur: well not really.. its only the colour targets |
| 14:32:00 | petur | right |
| 14:32:21 | AceNik_ | JdGordon: but once you close the plugin then all lost riht |
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| 14:32:30 | JdGordon | that would be silly! |
| 14:32:52 | GodEater | AceNik_: the plugin writes the changes to disk.... |
| 14:33:49 | AceNik_ | Jd: have you used a nokia series 60 phone, it has this feature, where you can switch betwee phone standby mode & an active application |
| 14:34:04 | GodEater | AceNik_: why would this be necessary ? |
| 14:34:08 | JdGordon | no, but it sounds like a similar thing on my SE |
| 14:34:30 | GodEater | JdGordon: he means a phone running Symbian Series 60, rather than a specific model of phone |
| 14:34:51 | JdGordon | still no |
| 14:34:52 | GodEater | I still fail to see why it's necessary |
| 14:35:16 | AceNik_ | GodEater: i just thouht it be more functional, instead of having plugin menus having menus for playback & stuff we could just switch bak & fourth |
| 14:35:19 | * | GodEater met a bunch of Sony Ericsson UI designers on Friday evening and had to resist the urge to shout at them |
| 14:35:27 | JdGordon | haha |
| 14:35:53 | JdGordon | AceNik_: we have that.... |
| 14:35:57 | JdGordon | sort of :p |
| 14:35:58 | linuxstb | GodEater: That sounds like the problem - too many UI designers... |
| 14:36:04 | AceNik_ | GodEater: plus i thouht if we could run a plugin in the background somewhat the plasma plugin & others can be used as screensavers |
| 14:36:34 | B4gder | AceNik_: screensavers in the background? |
| 14:36:43 | linuxstb | AceNik_: Plugins can run in the background (the battery_bench plugin does that), but it can't use the LCD or buttons... |
| 14:36:53 | linuxstb | (the main thread has access to the UI) |
| 14:37:35 | JdGordon | 1) do we need a gui for the .colors file? 2) rock or core? 3) there is no 3! |
| 14:37:44 | linuxstb | Being able to "sleep" a plugin and switch to the WPS would be nice though... |
| 14:37:50 | AceNik_ | ya i thought if like after a "timeout" a screensaver or a plugin like "fire, starfield etc" could run] |
| 14:37:52 | JdGordon | yes there is.. 3) if in core, where? screens.c? |
| 14:38:16 | AceNik_ | JdGordon: is this how we assin color in a .cfg "folder:808080 |
| 14:38:19 | AceNik_ | ipod:00B0B0 |
| 14:38:19 | AceNik_ | mp3:00FF00" |
| 14:38:26 | * | B4gder won't use the .colors anyway so there's no opinion from me |
| 14:38:26 | JdGordon | yes |
| 14:39:50 | JdGordon | :) /me going to modify text_editor.rock to handle it |
| 14:39:54 | AceNik_ | ok uys one quick question , once the Backlight is off & the LCD sleep thing is done , is there any processing happening for the WPS's like progressbars, or animations |
| 14:41:02 | B4gder | unless nico_p fixed that, there's no stopping of what updates on the screen |
| 14:41:07 | linuxstb | JdGordon: BTW, I was looking at lostlogic's patch for colours, and wondered why he implemented a separate array, rather than adding the colour as a field in the filetypes struct. I then noticed the custom icons do the same, and so assume lostlogic just copied that. Was there any particular reason for the separate array? |
| 14:41:39 | GodEater | AceNik_: what player do you have ? |
| 14:41:41 | AceNik_ | is it necessary for te WPS''s to still be calculating & performing once the lcd display is off? |
| 14:41:47 | B4gder | AceNik_: no |
| 14:41:59 | AceNik_ | H10[20 GB] |
| 14:42:04 | B4gder | for other reasons than when you bring it back alive, you want to have it there |
| 14:42:30 | GodEater | AceNik_: using a "screensaver" whilst playing music would be a BAD idea on that player |
| 14:43:01 | B4gder | it's a bit odd to be discussing switch off displaying of things and at the same time speak about screensavers... |
| 14:43:10 | * | GodEater was thinking that too |
| 14:43:22 | JdGordon | linuxstb: to save space? inbuilt_filetypes is const so cant be used to modify the colours/icons anyway |
| 14:43:28 | AceNik_ | then cant the extra processing , be used for somethin like screensavers or something , like having horizontal peakmeters or something |
| 14:43:47 | GodEater | AceNik_: what extra processing ? |
| 14:44:18 | GodEater | AceNik_: the PortalPlayer targets struggle as it is - asking them to do even more is a dumb(tm) idea IMHO |
| 14:44:24 | AceNik_ | B4gder: i know my player isnt optimised yet , but im just askin if there is a possibility, to make rockbox have a few more features |
| 14:44:46 | B4gder | well, it is always possible |
| 14:45:07 | B4gder | the question is rather what features that are useful and interesting enough for someone to work on |
| 14:45:21 | linuxstb | AceNik_: "optimised" means not wasting CPU.... |
| 14:45:30 | * | GodEater wouldn't be interested in a screen saver. |
| 14:45:44 | B4gder | making a screensaver functionality should be very easy |
| 14:45:52 | B4gder | but I don't see what good it would bring |
| 14:46:02 | JdGordon | DEV_EN &= ~(DEV_EN&DEV_LCD) is the screensaver isnt it? |
| 14:46:13 | AceNik_ | linuxstb: im sorry im just looking out for ways to have more features if it is coming in the way of optimisin stuff , reject it |
| 14:46:18 | JdGordon | that of course is wrong... but the general idea is there |
| 14:46:37 | JdGordon | DEV_EN ^= DEV_LCD |
| 14:47:21 | * | GodEater runs off to his C book to remind himself what &= and ^= do |
| 14:48:56 | AceNik_ | secondly , coming back to being able to switch between 2 modes, picture this: 1. suppose ur in a plugin, pressing a button combination, causes the screen to push back a little inside, & causing rotation & making the wps screen appear, then if you want to o back , the same i applicable |
| 14:49:38 | B4gder | yeah, putting a plugin "on hold" would be nice |
| 14:49:58 | GodEater | not sure about the UI sugar that does with it in that description mind you |
| 14:49:58 | AceNik_ | besides all these extras can be the users choice of keeping & using, i dont think optimising normal performance would be an issue, like if it performs fine , otherwise , there can be something done later |
| 14:50:50 | JdGordon | can we run plugins in their own thread, so they can be switched out of? |
| 14:51:54 | JdGordon | I mean, we can do this now with tsr plugins, but putting proper support for this is wouldnt be all _that_ difficult would it? |
| 14:52:30 | * | GodEater is waiting to hear about swap files now :) |
| 14:52:32 | B4gder | it would also need more thoughts than just that |
| 14:52:49 | B4gder | like when you start a new plugin while another one is put on hold |
| 14:53:31 | JdGordon | you couldnt, only 1 plugin thread |
| 14:53:42 | JdGordon | or yeah, we bring in swap files and nasty stuff |
| 14:53:59 | B4gder | exactly, but I would prefer the new one to just run over the previous one then |
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| 14:54:07 | AceNik_ | no guys , you dont introduce the feature for running multiple plugins |
| 14:54:23 | B4gder | multiple plugins are far far far away |
| 14:54:39 | JdGordon | start barrty_bench, then start another plugin, BB asks if you really want it to quit |
| 14:55:07 | AceNik_ | just have the ablilty to run one pluin & switch between rockbox mode & the current plugin playing, & posssibly have another thread for a few selected plugins that function like a screesaver |
| 14:55:18 | GodEater | you'd definitely want to make sure the "on hold "plugin shut down cleanly |
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| 14:56:46 | AceNik_ | well i ahve an application to show how the idea functions on my computer in XP its made for XP, it allows you to set 4desktops, , i thought of this on the same lines, would be ood to have this run the same way |
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| 14:57:37 | markun | AceNik_: why do you want a screensaver? |
| 14:57:58 | * | GodEater is curious about that too |
| 14:58:09 | GodEater | "lcd =off" is good enough for me |
| 14:58:11 | AceNik_ | guy goole for " yodm3D " check this out, while switching, it takes the shape of a cube & switches modes |
| 14:58:36 | GodEater | think you seriously overestimate the processing power of your DAP... |
| 14:58:43 | B4gder | we have cube already, run that ;-) |
| 14:59:05 | AceNik_ | markun: well i thought of horizontal peakmeters first to play when the music is playin, then i thought of screensavers, just a nice feature |
| 14:59:05 | linuxstb | Just put the contents of the main menu on each side of the cube... |
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| 14:59:23 | RhinoBanga | afternoon folks |
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| 14:59:44 | markun | hi RhinoBanga |
| 14:59:58 | RhinoBanga | any rb developers on here to discuss a possible bug in the id3 tag parsing? |
| 15:00 |
| 15:00:29 | * | GodEater watches all the devs run off and hide |
| 15:00:40 | RhinoBanga | lol |
| 15:00:41 | * | markun stays to listen to the bug |
| 15:00:54 | AceNik_ | GodEater: well i now mine sucks, but what i dont under estimate is rockbox, its been a good one year with you guys , woul like to constantly make my bid to make the "OS" something powerful , since its opened up a new realisation of what programming can do for me , before rockbox i was not aware of anything |
| 15:01:01 | linuxstb | RhinoBanga: Probably best to just describe the problem... |
| 15:01:23 | RhinoBanga | some of my id3 tags were not being parsed properly |
| 15:01:30 | RhinoBanga | when viewing in the database |
| 15:01:58 | linuxstb | Do they show correctly in the WPS? |
| 15:02:11 | RhinoBanga | nope |
| 15:02:22 | RhinoBanga | traced the bug into id3.c |
| 15:02:23 | GodEater | RhinoBanga: what did you use to tag them with ? |
| 15:02:25 | B4gder | id3 2.4? |
| 15:02:45 | RhinoBanga | helium2 etc, show the tags are fine and when I looked at then in a hex editor they are ok |
| 15:03:20 | linuxstb | Do you have a patch to fix the problem? |
| 15:03:21 | LinusN | RhinoBanga: i'd like to have that file for analysis |
| 15:03:30 | RhinoBanga | I fixed line 826 in id3.c |
| 15:03:54 | RhinoBanga | to remive the -1 |
| 15:03:57 | RhinoBanga | *remove |
| 15:04:05 | RhinoBanga | since it was truncating my tags |
| 15:04:12 | B4gder | 824 then I take it |
| 15:04:26 | RhinoBanga | maybe ... my code is a few days old so it may have changed |
| 15:05:02 | RhinoBanga | now my tags are ok however I don't know if the -1 was to cater for a NULL terminator |
| 15:05:16 | B4gder | so what id3 version is it? |
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| 15:05:23 | LinusN | RhinoBanga: i'd like to have that file for analysis |
| 15:05:47 | | Quit midgey () |
| 15:06:01 | RhinoBanga | helium is reporting v2.3.0 |
| 15:06:09 | | Part maffe |
| 15:06:34 | B4gder | but I agree that the code looks wrong |
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| 15:06:53 | GodEater | LinusN: louder :) |
| 15:07:01 | LinusN | :-) |
| 15:07:04 | RhinoBanga | I'll upload the file somewhere in a mo however fyi WMP, JR Mediacenter, etc report the tags fine ... so the chances are it's the buffer calculation |
| 15:08:28 | LinusN | the -1 sure looks odd there |
| 15:08:39 | B4gder | yes, it looks wrong |
| 15:08:52 | RhinoBanga | do u want the file? |
| 15:09:06 | LinusN | RhinoBanga: i /msg:d you |
| 15:09:24 | RhinoBanga | cool ... I didn't see it |
| 15:11:16 | markun | LinusN: svn blames you for that line :) |
| 15:11:22 | RhinoBanga | uploaded to http://linus.haxx.se/upload/files/06 - She Moves Through The Fair.mp3 |
| 15:11:34 | LinusN | lovely |
| 15:11:49 | LinusN | markun: hush hush... |
| 15:12:00 | markun | ;) |
| 15:12:00 | RhinoBanga | LOL |
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| 15:12:03 | GodEater | markun: so quick to blame.... ;) |
| 15:12:21 | LinusN | RhinoBanga: thanks |
| 15:12:22 | RhinoBanga | don't u just hate source code revision histories :D |
| 15:12:24 | RhinoBanga | np |
| 15:12:32 | B4gder | ... so convenient to know linus' svn password at times... ;-) |
| 15:12:44 | RhinoBanga | going to work on the other niggles I've seen ... so I may be back :D |
| 15:12:45 | GodEater | hahaha |
| 15:13:02 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 15:13:09 | markun | RhinoBanga: or stay! |
| 15:13:49 | RhinoBanga | actually you guys can guide me in the right direction |
| 15:14:06 | RhinoBanga | I posted this on the forum: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=11032.0 |
| 15:14:55 | GodEater | detecting a strong hint of tagnavi question in that post. Need bascule! |
| 15:15:05 | RhinoBanga | Do you folks think that the year issue is a bug, or something not implemented in your DB? |
| 15:16:34 | LinusN | good question :-) |
| 15:17:11 | * | linuxstb looks around for Slasheri |
| 15:17:55 | RhinoBanga | No worries, I'll just poke around in the code to see why it's defaulting to 00-2 for the year |
| 15:19:58 | RhinoBanga | brb |
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| 15:20:46 | RhinoBanga | back |
| 15:20:54 | RhinoBanga | using a decent irc client now :D |
| 15:24:09 | GodEater | B4gder: I assume Positive Internet singularly failed to get back to you in the end ? |
| 15:24:37 | B4gder | yes I never heard anything more |
| 15:25:17 | * | GodEater rolls his sleeve sup |
| 15:26:13 | * | GodEater to bloke at Positive Internet "Did you get fired, or just lose interest in this ?" |
| 15:26:23 | pondlife | Or both? |
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| 15:26:31 | pondlife | One can lead to the other |
| 15:26:34 | GodEater | indeed |
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| 15:26:46 | GodEater | I'll wait and see what he says |
| 15:26:50 | GodEater | if anything |
| 15:30:20 | JdGordon | yay :) my horrible gui for colours is ready |
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| 15:34:15 | * | linuxstb wonders if the .colors file should be extended for the other UI elements - scrollbar, status bar, cursor, etc... |
| 15:35:20 | JdGordon | all in goo time |
| 15:35:23 | JdGordon | good* |
| 15:35:25 | * | dionoea wonders if monochrome icons should use the text's color |
| 15:35:31 | dionoea | in fact i'm not wondering at all :) |
| 15:35:34 | JdGordon | definatly |
| 15:35:56 | JdGordon | thats a bug which hopefully will be fixed when the lcd drawing function is reworked or something? |
| 15:35:59 | dionoea | default icons are black and my text is set to white so it doesn't look very good |
| 15:36:20 | JdGordon | there is a white version of the defaults on the wiki |
| 15:36:44 | dionoea | well changing the icons is an ugly work arround imo :) |
| 15:37:18 | GodEater | B4gder: check your inbox :) |
| 15:38:50 | JdGordon | 350GB/month! |
| 15:39:10 | Zagor | JdGordon: we're popular :) |
| 15:39:13 | B4gder | yeah mucho traffico |
| 15:39:34 | JdGordon | is the mostly the static files? or the svn builds? |
| 15:39:42 | B4gder | GodEater: great, I'll respond later tonight with a plan or so |
| 15:39:45 | Zagor | JdGordon: about 50/50 |
| 15:39:47 | GodEater | it's all those script kiddies keep download our entire twiki to search for vulnerabilities so they can delete it again |
| 15:39:56 | B4gder | JdGordon: about 50/50 |
| 15:40:05 | Zagor | GodEater: no, the www site is not included in those 350... |
| 15:40:20 | GodEater | Zagor: ah yes, silly me |
| 15:40:24 | dionoea | we did 330 GB in the last 5 hours on the videolan.org server .... hehe |
| 15:40:33 | * | JdGordon wonders if bittorent would help with the vmware/colinux images |
| 15:40:34 | GodEater | show off |
| 15:40:37 | linuxstb | dionoea: bloatware ;) |
| 15:40:39 | dionoea | ;) |
| 15:40:48 | B4gder | haha |
| 15:41:17 | B4gder | 330GB in 5 hours? that's... 47000 GB/month |
| 15:41:26 | dionoea | we don't pay for bandwidth :) |
| 15:41:31 | dionoea | we get it free |
| 15:41:33 | GodEater | or 47TB |
| 15:41:43 | B4gder | I'm just amazed |
| 15:41:50 | B4gder | what the heck are people getting from there? |
| 15:42:01 | B4gder | 47TB per *month* |
| 15:42:04 | GodEater | dionoea's pr0n collection |
| 15:42:04 | dionoea | and we released a bugfix version yesterday so that migh explain a bit higher traffic |
| 15:42:18 | dionoea | or just VLC |
| 15:42:50 | B4gder | that's rougly 160mbit/sec in average |
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| 15:43:14 | dionoea | http://stats.videolan.org |
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| 15:43:21 | dionoea | B4gder: ^ |
| 15:45:05 | B4gder | a bigger package and a lot more downloads |
| 15:45:25 | B4gder | still, that connection is expensive for whoever provides it |
| 15:45:36 | dionoea | Free.fr (a french ISP) |
| 15:45:44 | B4gder | nice guys |
| 15:46:02 | dionoea | since they mostly have downloads any upload doesn't cost them anything |
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| 15:46:13 | dionoea | due to their peering contracts |
| 15:46:30 | dionoea | (or whatever that's called) |
| 15:47:11 | B4gder | well, if a company would offer to do the same for us I don't think we'd decline ;-) |
| 15:47:42 | B4gder | those cheap bastars in Haxx think about money too much! |
| 15:48:41 | LinusN | haxx == greed |
| 15:51:44 | PaulJam | hmm, i just tried the new color feature in the sim, but only the colors for aufiofiles change with the sample.colors file. does someone have an idea what i'm doing wrong? |
| 15:52:43 | * | JdGordon idiot :'( |
| 15:53:44 | GodEater | B4gder: the chap at Positive also seems to indicate we could share some space on their Debian / Ubuntu package mirror |
| 15:54:18 | GodEater | we'll see what he says about the traffic requirements (although I imagine the throughput on their debian mirror will make rockbox look insignificant) |
| 15:54:45 | B4gder | sounds likely, yes |
| 15:54:54 | Zagor | quite |
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| 15:58:51 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: was the speedups in the sd patch for both chips? or just the external one? |
| 16:00 |
| 16:03:00 | JdGordon | yay, crash/freeze first hotswap |
| 16:05:14 | amiconn | B4gder: Bandwidth requirements will increase when we start providing per-target voice files |
| 16:05:27 | | Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") |
| 16:05:44 | B4gder | yes most likely |
| 16:06:26 | JdGordon | when that happens, will they be built daily/automated when english.lang is changed? |
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| 16:06:46 | dionoea | B4gder: I'm sure that we could host some rockbox downloads if you want. (just saw your email) |
| 16:06:47 | B4gder | that's the plan |
| 16:07:06 | JdGordon | ok cool |
| 16:07:21 | JdGordon | btw... change topic time? |
| 16:08:15 | GodEater | yeah, does anyone know what happened at the devconwest ? scorche seemed to write about food / beer a lot :) |
| 16:08:27 | B4gder | dionoea: I'm interested, yes |
| 16:08:41 | Mode | "#rockbox +o B4gder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 16:08:54 | GodEater | B4gder: Positive man : "We won't even notice 350GB / Month :)" |
| 16:09:02 | B4gder | hehe |
| 16:10:29 | GodEater | I've forwarded you the bit of the email relevant to the mirroring - I'll do the build server bit myself |
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| 16:12:23 | B4gder | GodEater: thanks, I'll respond tonight |
| 16:12:59 | GodEater | that should ease the bandwidth burder quite quickly then :) |
| 16:13:04 | GodEater | *durden |
| 16:13:08 | GodEater | of for god's sake |
| 16:13:23 | * | GodEater runs screaming from the keyboard |
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| 16:14:08 | B4gder | that shows us all how typing with your nose easily leads to many errors |
| 16:14:22 | JdGordon | my secret is out! |
| 16:14:56 | B4gder | :-) |
| 16:15:10 | * | JdGordon 's internet is fubar, did my commit come out green? |
| 16:15:20 | B4gder | it did |
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| 16:15:44 | JdGordon | yays |
| 16:15:45 | JdGordon | thanks |
| 16:16:07 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: The faster reading should help both |
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| 16:17:48 | JdGordon | hotswapping is very unreliable now |
| 16:17:49 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: you got a crash? I can swap it in and out with no problem |
| 16:18:07 | JdGordon | freeze, not crash. wheel light still works |
| 16:18:25 | JdGordon | sdcard: 1 panic again |
| 16:19:05 | jhMikeS | sure you have the right patch? I used it for hours on my player without a single problem. wtf |
| 16:19:27 | JdGordon | unless you updated in the last 10min |
| 16:19:59 | jhMikeS | no, just #4 ... is it a sansa brand card or somethign else? |
| 16:20:13 | JdGordon | its apacer branded |
| 16:20:41 | JdGordon | and yeah, definatly got the right patch, did a reformat so thats the only one on the hard drive |
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| 16:21:09 | jhMikeS | hmmm...I picked up SanDisk 1GB cards...could be the difference |
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| 16:21:57 | JdGordon | I hope not :( |
| 16:22:05 | JdGordon | ah, you added asm, you crazy person :) |
| 16:22:10 | jhMikeS | :) |
| 16:23:05 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: Mine's an e260...yours? |
| 16:23:21 | JdGordon | 250 |
| 16:23:29 | JdGordon | shouldnt make any difference though, should it? |
| 16:24:21 | JdGordon | no radio in mine, but again, that shouldnt matter |
| 16:24:52 | jhMikeS | I wouldn't think so, x-cept the other card brand could need some other treatment. No way should it have to init from scratch on every transfer. :\ |
| 16:25:13 | jhMikeS | I take it that OF does read the card? |
| 16:25:31 | * | JdGordon checks |
| 16:26:17 | jhMikeS | Of course we have to know if it actually adds files to the database and doesn't abort it or something. :) |
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| 16:26:42 | JdGordon | only have mp3s on it so it will show if it worked |
| 16:27:16 | JdGordon | yep, it definatly works |
| 16:28:27 | JdGordon | hmm... working fine again |
| 16:28:52 | jhMikeS | the only thing that made your card work in rb was reinit every transfer? |
| 16:29:16 | JdGordon | no, it seems to be fine again after a reboot |
| 16:29:23 | JdGordon | it wasnt inserted when booting |
| 16:29:58 | JdGordon | just did a dozen or so hotswaps and its fine :( |
| 16:30:19 | jhMikeS | So it's only when attempting to mount the FS at boot that it did it? |
| 16:30:39 | JdGordon | nope, seems to be random |
| 16:30:49 | JdGordon | booting with it in works |
| 16:31:41 | jhMikeS | you have svn after the tuner commit? |
| 16:31:48 | JdGordon | got one you might be able to reproduce... go into /<microSD1>, then back to main menu, then remove the card, reinstert and go files |
| 16:31:54 | JdGordon | yes, clean svn with the sd patch |
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| 16:32:02 | chrisjs169|afk | what would cause SDCard error 10? |
| 16:32:22 | JdGordon | EC_COMMAND |
| 16:33:08 | jhMikeS | no problem doing that at all |
| 16:33:34 | JdGordon | it might be my cheap card then |
| 16:33:42 | * | JdGordon not buying a 3rd one though :p |
| 16:33:57 | pondlife | And lots of people go for the cheap cards... |
| 16:34:23 | JdGordon | nearly $10 cheaper than the sansa branded one |
| 16:34:37 | jhMikeS | I got mine cheap on amazon.com :) |
| 16:35:14 | JdGordon | how much? |
| 16:35:16 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: Maybe a longer sleep would help? |
| 16:35:30 | jhMikeS | About $12 a piece to the door |
| 16:35:33 | JdGordon | its not even 1am yet... im fine... |
| 16:35:33 | JdGordon | :D |
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| 16:35:43 | jhMikeS | haha :) |
| 16:35:53 | JdGordon | thats about the same price i paid :( |
| 16:35:58 | JdGordon | sleep where? |
| 16:36:23 | jhMikeS | where it has sleep(HZ/30) ... worth a check anyway |
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| 16:36:58 | jhMikeS | Without the delay, things pretty much act as you describe even for me |
| 16:38:31 | JdGordon | testing with a HZ sleep instead.. |
| 16:38:49 | jhMikeS | should be waaaay longer than ever needed |
| 16:38:53 | pondlife | That's more sleep than you usually get Jd |
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| 16:39:04 | beta | Hey there i've got a suggestion for the gigabeat (if not, all platforms); when the mains is plugged in, change to profile 'x' with the settings for plugged in mode so when the player is sat in a cradle, the brightness increases, updating of database can take place in the background etc and then when unplugged, profile swaps and brightness decreases and everything back to normal |
| 16:39:27 | JdGordon | pondlife: na, getting about 9-10 hours atm, dependisng on how late i sleep in till :) |
| 16:39:55 | * | pondlife dreams of 8 hours |
| 16:40:01 | * | pondlife dreams of dreaming |
| 16:40:24 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: seems to work, having the sleep after an unmount seems a bit silly though |
| 16:41:08 | markun | beta: I think it's not a bad idea |
| 16:41:17 | jhMikeS | I suppose it might be. I wonder what's a reasonable length then. |
| 16:42:01 | beta | markun: I reckon it's an excellent idea. When I sit the gigabeat in the cradle i'm squinting because the brightness is way too low and don't really want to go through all the menus |
| 16:42:04 | JdGordon | beta: doing that would certainly better than having seperate settings for when we are charging (like the backlight has) |
| 16:42:13 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: trying with HZ/10 now |
| 16:42:23 | beta | indeed |
| 16:43:10 | beta | but the database update in the background I reckon would also be able to take place automagically - it should only take a few moments and then an icon could be displayed to show there is new material and a restart is required when it is convenient with the user |
| 16:43:34 | JdGordon | an update doesnt require a restart... |
| 16:44:16 | beta | oh doesn't it? Okay.. my mistake.. I was trying to get into the database and it said "Updating... 2130 track found" everytime i clicked on it |
| 16:44:23 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: HZ/10 seems fine, as long as you dont enter the file browser if the disk light is on |
| 16:44:25 | beta | *tracks |
| 16:44:58 | beta | but anyway, food for thought! i thought that would be an excellent addition - i certainly think so. |
| 16:45:21 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: |
| 16:45:21 | markun | JdGordon: yes, we could remove that backlight while charging setting. Do we have more of these settings? |
| 16:45:25 | JdGordon | spinlock_lock(&sd_mtx); |
| 16:45:25 | JdGordon | card_info[1].initialized = false; |
| 16:45:25 | JdGordon | spinlock_unlock(&sd_mtx); |
| 16:45:26 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK JdGordon |
| 16:45:26 | JdGordon | ? |
| 16:45:42 | JdGordon | markun: i tihnk 1 or 2 others |
| 16:46:15 | pondlife | markun: I like the idea, but think about how you could make it easier to use and obvious to the user... |
| 16:46:27 | markun | that's exactly what I wanted to say :) |
| 16:46:38 | jhMikeS | I don't want to mess with that variable while a thread is inside one of the functions |
| 16:47:09 | beta | what do you mean? easier food for thought! i thought that would be an excellent addition - i certainly think so. |
| 16:47:09 | beta | <JdGordon> jhMikeS: |
| 16:47:09 | beta | <markun> JdGordon: yes, we |
| 16:47:12 | beta | sorry |
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| 16:47:37 | JdGordon | howd the exam go Nico_P? |
| 16:47:37 | beta | what do you mean? make it more obvious to the user that the "profile" has changed? |
| 16:47:51 | markun | beta: making the profiles in the first place |
| 16:47:54 | Nico_P | JdGordon: pretty well, thanks :) |
| 16:47:57 | JdGordon | markun: a very quick check shows only the backlight and remote backlight timeout |
| 16:47:59 | beta | ah right |
| 16:48:02 | Nico_P | it was about operating systems |
| 16:48:09 | beta | A "profile" option on the main menu? |
| 16:48:29 | markun | and inside it? |
| 16:48:34 | beta | Or settings −−> profile and then it just automatically changes between the two profile modes |
| 16:48:57 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: I'm not sure I like the order in the SD_HOTSWAP case |
| 16:48:59 | beta | inside it.. specific settings i.e profile name, brighness in this profile, hard drive spin time, database scanning should take place every x minutes in this profile etc |
| 16:49:05 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I can enter the file browser without trouble during buffering or whenever...hmmm. What speed does the card show in the info screen? |
| 16:49:10 | JdGordon | shouldtn the SYS_HOTSWAP_INSERTED event be the last thing to happen? |
| 16:49:23 | markun | beta: what kind of database scanning? |
| 16:49:28 | beta | maybe not the latter |
| 16:49:37 | markun | no, probably not :) |
| 16:50:02 | beta | but making a charging/portable profile would be excellent and maybe some custom place holder ones |
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| 16:50:22 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: speed:25Mbit/s and Tsac:40ms Nsac:0ms |
| 16:50:32 | jhMikeS | It was the first before and was posted from the IRQ...frankly I've no idea about what is expected from the messaging order of HOTSWAP and FILESYSTEM |
| 16:50:52 | beta | in the menu you could also have "fade in/out off" options because (correct me if im wrong) little things like that require slightly more processing power therefore slightly more battery |
| 16:51:15 | jhMikeS | The sansa ones show Tsac 1.50ms :P |
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| 16:51:51 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: my guess is nothing checks for SYS_HOTSWAP_EXTRACTED but my gut feeling says it should be fired after the disk is ready |
| 16:51:53 | markun | beta: what would happen if you change the backlight brightness in the normal menu? |
| 16:52:05 | markun | will it be saved into the current profile? |
| 16:52:43 | JdGordon | we can save to config_charging.cfg instead of config.cfg easily |
| 16:52:50 | JdGordon | VERY easily :) |
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| 16:53:09 | pondlife | Often I'd want changes to affect both powered and unpowered though... |
| 16:53:21 | beta | markun: create a menu option |
| 16:53:21 | JdGordon | you cant do that |
| 16:53:31 | beta | markun: i.e. settings->profiles |
| 16:53:45 | beta | markun:then in that have a "Make new profile" button |
| 16:53:51 | JdGordon | beta: we have "profiles" but not automatic ones... |
| 16:53:58 | JdGordon | settings > browse configs |
| 16:54:00 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 16:54:00 | * | amiconn doesn't like this profile idea |
| 16:54:06 | beta | markun:then in that, have options like you have currently in the main menu i.e. LCD brightness |
| 16:54:07 | markun | amiconn: of course not :) |
| 16:54:08 | amiconn | Loading .cfg's every time... |
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| 16:54:41 | beta | markun: So create a profile called "Plugged in" and a setting in that profile could be "When plugged in, brightness = 100%" |
| 16:55:01 | beta | markun:and another profile... "Battery powered" or something could have "Brightness = 50%" etc.. you get the idea |
| 16:55:05 | markun | beta: yes, I understand your idea, but what would happen if you change the LCD brightness NOT in the profile menu |
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| 16:55:22 | beta | the current settings would be determined by the current selected profile setting |
| 16:55:31 | beta | i.e. all the settings are determined via profiles |
| 16:55:37 | beta | you MUST have a profile selected |
| 16:55:51 | beta | like that on a mobile phone.. most phones will have a default profile |
| 16:56:22 | markun | beta: but then you don't need to replicate the settings in your profile menu |
| 16:56:41 | beta | Ok, im not sure about the technical details, but you can gather what im trying to say |
| 16:56:42 | markun | and what about setting which you want to have globaly (the same in all profiles) |
| 16:56:55 | JdGordon | amiconn: this should decrease bin size... at least 1 less setting |
| 16:57:00 | beta | All i know is that I want my brightness to automatically get higher when it's plugged into my cradle so i can see the screen from my bed |
| 16:57:17 | pondlife | JdGordon: Loading cfgs = more spin up ? |
| 16:57:20 | markun | it would be very anoying if you change something, plugout the charger and then have to change it again |
| 16:57:31 | JdGordon | pondlife: not on the sansa :) |
| 16:57:42 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: moving the broadcast seems to fix everything |
| 16:57:46 | pondlife | markun: That's my main objection |
| 16:58:06 | beta | markun: i dont understand... |
| 16:58:19 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: interesting...just the order? |
| 16:58:20 | JdGordon | the setting writing code isnt smart enough to merge two cfg's so there is no smart way to do it |
| 16:58:27 | JdGordon | possibly the timeout also |
| 16:58:36 | JdGordon | HZ/10 instead |
| 16:58:45 | beta | maybe a rewrite? i don't know as I have said it is an idea |
| 16:58:47 | JdGordon | can a queue_broadcast cause a context switch? |
| 16:58:54 | jhMikeS | no |
| 16:58:59 | beta | maybe instead of "Load config file" you have "load profile mode..." |
| 16:59:15 | markun | beta: yes, that's not the part we are worried about |
| 16:59:23 | beta | i don't know how it works; I'm not a programmer! ;-) |
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| 17:00:20 | jhMikeS | it can wake threads but they won't run yet...it's just a bunch of queue_post calls really |
| 17:00:20 | amiconn | JdGordon: (1) I don't want a disk spinup everytime I plug or unplug the charger... it could even cause serios problems on low bat |
| 17:00:38 | markun | amiconn: yes, that's also a problem |
| 17:00:51 | amiconn | (2) There aren't many settings which make sense as being part of a "profile", as markun said |
| 17:00:54 | JdGordon | only load the profile if we have more than X batt remaining? |
| 17:01:09 | markun | or keep them in memory |
| 17:01:12 | amiconn | And I certainly don't want to configure everything twice |
| 17:01:14 | beta | then omit that option.. but a brightness increase i.e. like when you plug a laptop into the mains to charge would be handy, and an option to disable it fiddling with the brightness when plugged in |
| 17:01:33 | beta | so it can satisfy both end users |
| 17:02:39 | JdGordon | beta: it looks like the anser for the short term is copy your config.cfg to charging.cfg and manually load it when you plug in the charger |
| 17:02:49 | markun | amiconn: I could imagine that gigabeat users could use a 'cradle' profile which disables crossfeed and has different EQ settings |
| 17:02:50 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: so changing that stuff lets lets you play things off the card just fine and browse card 0 while buffering? |
| 17:02:51 | amiconn | That's something different.. just extend the separate backlight settings for plugged/unplugged to include brightness |
| 17:03:14 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: didnt actually test with buffering... hang on |
| 17:03:50 | * | jhMikeS will of course emphasize again that it does work on his player :) |
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| 17:04:05 | markun | beta: we'll think about it. in principle I think it's a nice feature, but the implementation is difficult to do right |
| 17:04:05 | JdGordon | works fine |
| 17:04:18 | JdGordon | as does pulling the sd while the currently playing song is on it :) |
| 17:04:39 | JdGordon | just dont do ACTION_WPS_BROSE :D |
| 17:05:29 | jhMikeS | ummm...*after* pulling the card I take it :) |
| 17:05:38 | JdGordon | yeah |
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| 17:06:20 | jhMikeS | yeah, and that sort of thing should really be fixed big time |
| 17:06:51 | jhMikeS | care to pastebin your changes real quick? |
| 17:07:35 | JdGordon | http://pastebin.ca/574367 |
| 17:07:57 | JdGordon | there is still an annoying delay after removing the disk, but that might be the tree not redrawing |
| 17:08:25 | JdGordon | which isnt happening now :p |
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| 17:08:59 | jhMikeS | your did browse the main card while buffering from the sd card...just want to be sure the test was what I thought |
| 17:09:18 | JdGordon | i did the opposite |
| 17:09:20 | JdGordon | hang on |
| 17:09:24 | beta | sorry guys went off.. okay thanks markun |
| 17:09:45 | JdGordon | yep all fine |
| 17:10:08 | jhMikeS | Both ways require frequent card switching anyhow |
| 17:10:57 | JdGordon | the ata/sd thread stack can be shrunk a bit |
| 17:11:12 | JdGordon | its at 39% here |
| 17:11:25 | JdGordon | not that it really makes much difference |
| 17:11:27 | jhMikeS | what was blowing it up before? |
| 17:11:38 | JdGordon | disk_mount iirc |
| 17:11:50 | jhMikeS | 39% here too |
| 17:12:13 | JdGordon | 29.475mb buffer, and exta 100k wont make any difference |
| 17:12:33 | beta | i'm off! goodbye. |
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| 17:12:40 | markun | bye bye |
| 17:12:42 | jhMikeS | I'd be happy with 75-80% |
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| 17:13:16 | JdGordon | no more than 80% though, as the setting saving is done in that thread |
| 17:13:39 | JdGordon | main COP should be shrunk also, 4% usage |
| 17:13:57 | amiconn | Test with a fat32 formatted sd card before shrinking the stack... |
| 17:14:08 | JdGordon | power/backlight/usb all under 10% |
| 17:14:10 | jhMikeS | I want to just eliminate main COP actually...it needs a little tricky thing though |
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| 17:15:43 | amiconn | JdGordon: usb thread on pp targets doesn't count... on other targets it needs a lot more stack |
| 17:15:43 | JdGordon | how do I format it fat32? |
| 17:15:44 | jhMikeS | I take it the 39% is including the setting saving? |
| 17:15:53 | amiconn | (usb thread does the remount after usb unplug) |
| 17:16:04 | JdGordon | amiconn: I know, untill we get usb going though its a waste |
| 17:16:23 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: not necasserily |
| 17:16:25 | amiconn | 8KB or so being a waste? |
| 17:16:42 | JdGordon | if your music is wavs it is :D |
| 17:17:10 | amiconn | I'd rather not go the route of having target specific stack sizes |
| 17:17:20 | JdGordon | is msdos for vfat fat32 in linux? |
| 17:17:21 | * | jhMikeS 's card is just FAT |
| 17:17:28 | jhMikeS | ok, reformat |
| 17:17:30 | JdGordon | s/for/or |
| 17:17:53 | amiconn | It could lead to very nasty effects for new targets, or if something changes (like usb getting implemented) etc |
| 17:19:35 | jhMikeS | I wonder if that made any difference re: mounting things then |
| 17:19:54 | JdGordon | what? |
| 17:20:18 | jhMikeS | my card wasn't FAT32, just FAT |
| 17:20:45 | JdGordon | I have no idea if mine is FAT16 or 32 |
| 17:20:54 | JdGordon | or 12 is used on removable disks isnt it? |
| 17:21:33 | jhMikeS | umm...floppy disks iirc |
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| 17:22:28 | PaulJam | markun: concerning the discussion about the profiles for charging, maybe it would be possible to implement it similar to the fixed.cfg. so that you can have for example two additional cfg files (e.g charger.cfg and battery.cfg) which get loaded on dis-/connection of the charger. |
| 17:22:50 | JdGordon | thats how I was going to do it PaulJam |
| 17:23:01 | JdGordon | config_charging.cfg and config.cfg |
| 17:23:33 | petur | FAT12/16/32 is related to max disksize, you can't really make a 1GB card FAT12 ;) |
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| 17:24:55 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: recording works to your card too? |
| 17:25:17 | JdGordon | I would assume so.. havnt tried, dont really want to atm... might wake ppl up |
| 17:25:42 | pixelma | you should be testing the recdir patch... ;) |
| 17:25:50 | JdGordon | its ready to go |
| 17:26:06 | JdGordon | just needs one of the filename checking patches to be commited/OK'ed first |
| 17:26:17 | pixelma | tested with removeable device? |
| 17:27:04 | JdGordon | the latest version lets you choose if you want it to check the recording dir or not |
| 17:27:20 | JdGordon | which apparently isnt needed, as long as the disk spinup is before it starts |
| 17:27:48 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: yep, got 3 newly recorded files here |
| 17:28:28 | jhMikeS | :) ... of people snoring or complaining? |
| 17:28:58 | JdGordon | me tapping the mike and whispering |
| 17:29:06 | JdGordon | minor problem... |
| 17:29:18 | JdGordon | booted with the disk in, tried going into <msd> and its frozen |
| 17:29:47 | jhMikeS | I get 45% on ata/sd with FAT32 |
| 17:30:09 | JdGordon | dw, reboot fixed it |
| 17:30:43 | jhMikeS | I wonder if some sort of delay might be needed before attemping a device mount at boot as well |
| 17:32:32 | JdGordon | na, I rekon it was a fluke.. just went into <msd> while the ata led was on, and it was fine, i.e startight after a boot |
| 17:33:24 | | Quit bospaadje ("great minds run in great circles") |
| 17:33:27 | * | jhMikeS doesn't like flukes ... flukes must be hunted down |
| 17:35:29 | * | JdGordon doesnt worry about semi-frequent random crashes... used windows for too long :p |
| 17:35:54 | GodEater | so you know to just re-install right ? :) |
| 17:35:58 | jhMikeS | It's gotta be from attempting a device init a filesys mount too soon after ata_init |
| 17:37:00 | jhMikeS | argh...and everyone should send all the crash reports to microsoft when the dialog comes up...should bring them to their knees :) |
| 17:38:09 | * | petur sees no crashes on his W2K boxes, must be a user issue :p |
| 17:38:27 | petur | or cheap unreliable hardware with buggy drivers |
| 17:38:55 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: how much of the commented code are you expecting to uncomment? |
| 17:38:56 | petur | I've seen my linux laptop do more bad stuff since I have it then my W2K pc |
| 17:39:51 | GodEater | can't remember the last time any of my linux machines did anything bad |
| 17:40:34 | GodEater | but then I've been admining linux boxes in general for about 12 years now |
| 17:40:51 | * | GodEater remembers running with kernel 1.3.somethingorother :) |
| 17:42:12 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: those // thingys? it'll probably all look quite different once I make progress minimizing the card switch |
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| 17:43:08 | JdGordon | oh, you dont want to commit this so we know we have a working base before more fiddling? |
| 17:43:10 | * | jhMikeS usually finds debian running on a fake machine running on XP runs longer than XP itself ... using a saved state |
| 17:44:10 | jhMikeS | well...then I'll remove the comments altogether, commit, then go from there |
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| 17:49:02 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: usb.c calls ata_init() which could cause problems because it will do spinlock_init() again |
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| 17:52:28 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: hmmm...it's not just the e200 doing that |
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| 17:53:43 | JdGordon | that cant be good... can it? |
| 17:54:14 | jhMikeS | usb.c ought to have a special mini-init that doesn't do the bootup init |
| 17:55:05 | JdGordon | or if (!initialized) is put above the spinlock_init() call |
| 17:55:11 | JdGordon | in ata.c |
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| 20:19:27 | GodEater_ | Llorean: nice tower of Rockbox there :) |
| 20:20:25 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 20:20:25 | * | scorche nervously shuffles to the side |
| 20:20:37 | GodEater_ | hehe |
| 20:20:47 | GodEater_ | bad scorche for knocking it all over :) |
| 20:20:56 | * | scorche hangs his head in shame |
| 20:21:11 | GodEater_ | it was pretty impressive though |
| 20:21:18 | GodEater_ | that was a LOT of gigabeats |
| 20:22:03 | GodEater_ | shame the vid feed never happened |
| 20:22:08 | scorche | there were a couple that were being worked on that didnt make it to the tower as well |
| 20:22:10 | GodEater_ | I could have watched the collapse in real time |
| 20:22:39 | GodEater_ | I've been meaning to ask - the progress updates were great - but not a lot of anything to do with rockbox :) |
| 20:22:47 | GodEater_ | so what did you guys do besides eat and drink ? :) |
| 20:23:01 | scorche | the summary will be up soon |
| 20:23:06 | GodEater_ | cool |
| 20:24:15 | GodEater_ | not that there's anything wrong with just hanging out eating and drinking of course |
| 20:24:18 | Llorean | GodEater_: We got a new codec, and a new UI feature done. Plus some heavy discussion on RBUtil, and the theme gallery. |
| 20:24:32 | GodEater_ | ooh - which codec ? |
| 20:24:32 | Llorean | Well, the codec obviously isn't "done" or it'd be in SVN. |
| 20:24:45 | scorche | GBS |
| 20:24:47 | Llorean | The GBS codec, that was HCS's work. |
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| 20:24:57 | * | GodEater_ is unfamiliar with it |
| 20:25:08 | Llorean | Gameboy Sound format |
| 20:25:11 | GodEater_ | ah |
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| 20:29:06 | Llorean | Have you tried the custom line colors by extension feature yet? Some of us at least think it looks _very_ nice. |
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| 20:29:25 | GodEater_ | not yet |
| 20:29:31 | scorche | especially with profont ;) |
| 20:30:13 | GodEater_ | are there screenshots ? |
| 20:30:16 | Llorean | Though there's a bug report on it in the tracker already, for 5G iPods. I'm not *wholly* sure what he's saying, exactly. |
| 20:30:50 | Llorean | GodEater_: No screenshots yet, I don't think. Basically, you can make all your .mp3 files show up red, .flac orange, .spx maroon, etc. |
| 20:31:14 | Llorean | Filetypes not "supported" by rockbox or a viewer, the scroll bar, and the status bar, and the "Inverse" bar (or line pointer) all show up in "Foreground" color still |
| 20:31:17 | GodEater_ | oh ok I get it |
| 20:31:24 | Llorean | As well as any filetypes you don't define a color for. |
| 20:32:07 | Llorean | It's much more 'at a glance' than icons, for some of us. |
| 20:32:39 | linuxstb | Llorean: The bug seems valid to me - colours shouldn't be stored in (signed) shorts. They should be fb_data, which is an unsigned short on the 16-bit colour targets. |
| 20:32:52 | scorche | Llorean: it seems he just has an issue with the short > int commit, which didnt do much |
| 20:33:05 | scorche | it doesnt seem like a *bug* really |
| 20:33:21 | Llorean | linuxstb: I didn't say it was valid, just that I was too dense to understand what was being said. :) |
| 20:33:53 | linuxstb | Llorean: I didn't mean to imply you did - I was just trying to explain what I understood by the bug report... |
| 20:33:55 | Llorean | linuxstb: The part that confused me was him saying it "didn't work", but he didn't describe any symptoms, just bad code. |
| 20:34:07 | scorche | s/short > int/int > short |
| 20:34:08 | Llorean | Alright, so changing the shorts to fb_data should resolve it? |
| 20:34:10 | linuxstb | I'm guessing the symptom will be wrong colours displayed. |
| 20:40:08 | * | Domonoky wants to see a summary of the rbutil discussion on the wiki :-) |
| 20:40:19 | scorche | Domonoky: working on it =P |
| 20:40:46 | * | scorche 's notes were more randomized than he thought ;) |
| 20:44:24 | Llorean | Domonoky: Our discussion mostly led to two things. A sort of 'open feature request' (things we'd either like to see, or wouldn't mind seeing some day from someone) and a general feel for what we don't want RBUtil to grow into. |
| 20:44:40 | Llorean | Specifically that it shouldn't try to do general non-Rockbox jobs (music management, etc) |
| 20:46:03 | Domonoky | thats fine.. |
| 20:46:36 | Llorean | Well, the question at hand was sorta "How far should / can RBUtil go?" |
| 20:47:49 | Domonoky | it should only do direktly rockbox related tasks, but if possible, all of them :-) |
| 20:47:56 | Llorean | That's about what we said, yes. :) |
| 20:48:15 | scorche | and server as a frontend for things as much as possible |
| 20:48:20 | scorche | -r |
| 20:48:34 | Llorean | The general feeling was for things like video conversion, it could serve as a front end to another tool (like WinFF to ffmpeg), but should try to incorporate most of the /tools folder that's appropriate (font conversion, database generation, etc) |
| 20:48:45 | * | GodEater_ hasn't looked at rbutil for a while |
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| 20:49:13 | GodEater_ | does it provide a "one click" way to keep your DAP up to date with the current rockbox build ? |
| 20:49:45 | Domonoky | GodEater_: shure, just use the rockbox install button.. |
| 20:49:58 | GodEater_ | in which case, I have another question |
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| 20:50:05 | Domonoky | its not really "one click", but it remebers your selections.. |
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| 20:50:14 | GodEater_ | does it *also* check when you do this step, that your bootloader is upto date ? |
| 20:50:24 | Domonoky | nope |
| 20:50:32 | GodEater_ | I was thinking this would be a useful feature |
| 20:50:39 | Domonoky | how could it do this ? |
| 20:50:46 | GodEater_ | I have a plan ;) |
| 20:51:05 | GodEater_ | we currently maintain a rockbox-info.txt for the main build correct ? |
| 20:51:13 | Domonoky | yes.. |
| 20:51:37 | Domonoky | its not really used.. (at least not in rbutil) but for future uses :-) |
| 20:51:42 | GodEater_ | I was thinking we could include in this a checksum for the most up to date bootloader required for the build |
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| 20:52:04 | GodEater_ | we would, however, also require something stored on the DAP to indicate what's actually installed currently |
| 20:52:12 | GodEater_ | (bootloader wise) |
| 20:52:30 | GodEater_ | that way should we introduce some feature into rockbox which requires a new bootloader |
| 20:52:33 | GodEater_ | (rare I know) |
| 20:52:35 | jac0b | does anyone in here own a gigabeat? |
| 20:52:42 | alienbiker99 | what kinda |
| 20:52:43 | GodEater_ | rbutil can take care of updating that too |
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| 20:52:51 | GodEater_ | anyone think that's a good idea ? |
| 20:53:15 | * | GodEater_ is hoping it'll cut down on the number of bootloader related issues in the forums |
| 20:53:19 | Domonoky | GodEater_: the rbutil part is easy, the server part ( to know when to update) isnt.. :-) |
| 20:53:20 | Llorean | GodEater_: Well, other than the H100 and H300 series, I think that RBUtil could check the bootloader version itself. Well, and flashed Archoses, but that's not quite the same. But once flashing happens for other players too it becomes harder. |
| 20:53:28 | amiconn | Domonoky: I have a suggestion for improved target auto detection in rbutil for first-time installation (archoses in this case) |
| 20:53:45 | GodEater_ | Llorean: I disagree, we don't need to read the flash |
| 20:53:53 | GodEater_ | just arrange that when rbutil does a bootloader install |
| 20:54:04 | Llorean | GodEater_: I'm saying that for non-flash targets, we don't need a special file. |
| 20:54:10 | GodEater_ | it also writes a similar file to rockbox-info.txt |
| 20:54:12 | Domonoky | it would be good, to put suggestions to rbutil on the wiki, it will get lost on irc.. |
| 20:54:25 | jac0b | I am trying to find out if the used for the gigabeat is a USB−−>USB mini |
| 20:54:28 | GodEater_ | Llorean: I think it would be better to keep the behaviour consistent across all targets |
| 20:54:43 | GodEater_ | regardless of it it's actually required or not |
| 20:55:11 | GodEater_ | as for checking the server - we could store a SHA1 hash of each bootloader version somewhere on download.rockbox.org |
| 20:55:30 | GodEater_ | and keep this value in the local file on the DAP |
| 20:55:31 | alienbiker99 | jac0b yeah usb-a to usb-b |
| 20:55:40 | Domonoky | amiconn: whats the suggestion ? at the moment there is no detection for archos.. :-) |
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| 20:55:48 | alienbiker99 | same thing as the H120, H320 |
| 20:55:49 | jac0b | alienbiker99: thanks |
| 20:56:06 | Llorean | GodEater_: Well, official bootloaders should just have a version number. A hash shouldn't be necessary. |
| 20:56:22 | amiconn | Domonoky: Yesterday there was talk about checking usb vid and pid to detect targets |
| 20:56:37 | Llorean | For example iPods are at 1.1 right now, H100s at v6, H300s at v5, etc. I think this isn't true for *all* bootloaders yet, but we can make it true. |
| 20:56:45 | GodEater_ | Llorean: true - I was trying to imagine a worse case where someone gains access to the server again |
| 20:56:45 | Domonoky | yes, thats future work i plan to do (when i find time) :-) |
| 20:56:58 | GodEater_ | don't want rbutil downloading broken bootloaders in that case |
| 20:57:05 | GodEater_ | but sure - it doesn't HAVE to be a hash |
| 20:57:26 | Llorean | Well all the has does would be to prevent it from downloading the same bootloader. |
| 20:57:32 | GodEater_ | I could have sworn H100 was at v7 |
| 20:57:37 | amiconn | Some targets have identical vid and pid: (A) player and recorder v1 (usb1.1 models) (B) recorder v1 (usb 2.0 models), fm and v2 (C) Ondio FM and Ondio SP |
| 20:57:38 | Llorean | If it's a "new" bootloader, the only thing you can trust is the "new" hash that says it's good. :-P |
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| 20:57:53 | Llorean | GodEater_: v7 is the "Rockbox from ROM" version, which is unofficial afaik. |
| 20:57:58 | GodEater_ | ah |
| 20:58:07 | Domonoky | amiconn: correct, your solution ? :-) |
| 20:58:08 | * | GodEater_ is clearly unofficial :) |
| 20:58:08 | amiconn | There is a solution for (A) and (C): checking which files exist in the player's root |
| 20:58:32 | amiconn | (A) player has archos.mod, recorder has ajbrec.ajz |
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| 20:59:03 | amiconn | It is possible that none of the 2 are there, then rbutil can't autodetect and needs to fall back to presenting a list |
| 20:59:25 | Domonoky | amiconn: thats a good idea.. |
| 20:59:29 | GodEater_ | Llorean: in the case of the new download mirrors we're getting, checking a hash against multiple servers would be a good check imho |
| 20:59:47 | GodEater_ | if they're inconsistent - something is wrong :) |
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| 21:00:31 | GodEater_ | it may be unnecessary paranoia though |
| 21:00:44 | amiconn | (C) Ondios have the same firmware file name (ajbrec.ajz), but the settings file of the archos firmware is different: ondiost.bin for the FM, ondiosp.bin for the SP |
| 21:00:44 | GodEater_ | I'm just suggesting it is all |
| 21:01:02 | Llorean | GodEater_: I know, and they aren't bad suggestions. I'm just offering the "it could be simpler, though you lose some security" view. :) |
| 21:01:09 | amiconn | Again, none of the 2 might be present -> fallback to list |
| 21:01:25 | GodEater_ | Llorean: not *much* simpler :) |
| 21:01:35 | GodEater_ | you're still downloading a text string at the end of the day |
| 21:01:56 | amiconn | No solution for (B) yet though... |
| 21:02:51 | amiconn | Hmm, for all archoses, the firmware file header can be checked to find the model |
| 21:02:59 | GodEater_ | rbutil would also have to know the "real" names of all download mirrors too - it couldn't rely on the DNS round robin Bagder has in mind |
| 21:03:05 | amiconn | (if firmware file is present - that's not required) |
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| 21:04:44 | DerPapst | good morning :) |
| 21:04:55 | GodEater_ | afternoon |
| 21:04:57 | GodEater_ | :) |
| 21:05:10 | petur | evening ;) |
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| 21:05:59 | DerPapst | anyone here good at rockbox configure script magic? I just tried to build a Sansa E200R UI sim and i got the following erroR (keep cool only one line :P): |
| 21:06:02 | DerPapst | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `UI-e200r.bmp', needed by `/home/Alexander/rockbox/build_sansa/UI256.bmp'. |
| 21:06:30 | DerPapst | i think it would be overkill to add a new UI bmp |
| 21:06:59 | DerPapst | the one from the E200 should be ok too (or?) |
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| 21:09:34 | GodEater_ | DerPapst: I would guess so :) |
| 21:10:15 | DerPapst | i don't know if it has any additional buttons because of the radio though |
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| 21:11:02 | DerPapst | i've stared about 5 minutes at the configure script and the makefile but then i decided to give up :P |
| 21:11:29 | DerPapst | ... and come here and start complainig ;) |
| 21:12:06 | GodEater_ | hehehe |
| 21:12:24 | GodEater_ | I think the usual E200's have radios as well |
| 21:12:28 | GodEater_ | at least some of them anyway |
| 21:12:29 | Domonoky | DerPapst: easy solution, copy the UI-e200.bmp to UI-e200r.bmp :-) |
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| 21:13:28 | DerPapst | Domonoky: heh... |
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| 21:38:27 | peppo | ehum :/ |
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| 21:38:40 | peppo | ever since I installed rockbox, I've been getting these USB errors when connecting it: |
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| 21:38:55 | peppo | http://rafb.net/p/qB3aNI37.html |
| 21:39:02 | peppo | worked fine with the apple firmware |
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| 21:40:33 | PaulJam | rockbox has no own usb mode on the ipods, it reboots to the apple (emergency) usb mode |
| 21:40:47 | peppo | well, strange. |
| 21:40:55 | peppo | it has stopped working properly after I installed rockbox. |
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| 21:41:34 | peppo | would there be any use in trying out newer snapshots? (using a 2-3 day old build) |
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| 21:43:26 | PaulJam | well, before reporting a bug or something like that it is recommended to install the current build to see if it wasn't already fixed. |
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| 21:45:34 | PaulJam | what happens if you manually boot into the emergency diskmode? do you get these errors then too? |
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| 21:46:54 | DerPapst | pixelma: If you're there could you please take a look at FS #7327 ? |
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| 21:47:18 | DerPapst | and any other one with an iPod, iAudio or Sansa too ;) |
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| 22:02:54 | peppo | PaulJam, how is that done (emergy diskmode)? |
| 22:03:55 | PaulJam | i'm not sure i think by holding play and select or something like that while booting. |
| 22:04:29 | bluebrother | to enter emergency disk mode reset the Ipod first by holding Menu + Select. |
| 22:04:44 | bluebrother | then, when the Ipod is booting, immediately press Play + Select. |
| 22:06:31 | peppo | it worked fine in this mode |
| 22:06:41 | peppo | it seems that the device errors do not happen every connect |
| 22:07:15 | peppo | but now at another reboot I get the errors |
| 22:07:43 | peppo | but after aosm resets it works |
| 22:07:45 | peppo | http://rafb.net/p/WoKCxd62.html |
| 22:07:48 | peppo | this is the sequence of events |
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| 22:15:56 | amiconn | peppo: I have a suspicion what causes these errors. Unfortunately I don't know a simple way to fix them |
| 22:16:25 | amiconn | Windows isn't susceptible to them, it always recovers properly |
| 22:17:19 | preglow | which errors? |
| 22:17:44 | amiconn | See log at 21:39 |
| 22:18:13 | amiconn | I think this is because rockbox enables the usb chip, but only uses it for detecting the usb connection. |
| 22:18:32 | preglow | right, never saw that |
| 22:18:41 | amiconn | The time from detecting usb to actually enabling it (in edm) is simply too long for linux, so it runs into a timeout |
| 22:19:16 | amiconn | Even windows complains ('usb device could not be detected properly') but then recovers |
| 22:20:08 | amiconn | I only observed it with the ipod video; the mini reboots fast enough into disk mode so the error doesn't occur |
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| 22:20:34 | amiconn | I guess the nano also reboots quite fast |
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| 22:21:33 | peppo | ipod video here, 5.5g 80gb |
| 22:21:54 | * | Domonoky args.. the windows code i have to read the vid and pid, reads the ids of the harddisk, not the player .. :-/ |
| 22:23:22 | dionoea | Llorea1: would it be possible to display each line using its color when editing the colors.conf file in the text editor? |
| 22:23:52 | dionoea | oops |
| 22:23:58 | dionoea | that was meant for JdGordon |
| 22:25:21 | amiconn | linuxstb: around? |
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| 22:39:18 | amiconn | rrrrr |
| 22:40:04 | amiconn | swcodec recording has a huge delay (several second) between button press and actually starting the recording |
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| 22:47:12 | amiconn | And there is a bug concerning dircache and recording... |
| 22:47:17 | amiconn | Slasheri? |
| 22:48:24 | petur | amiconn? |
| 22:48:34 | amiconn | ? |
| 22:48:39 | petur | bug? |
| 22:48:41 | amiconn | Yes |
| 22:49:03 | amiconn | Easy to reproduce |
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| 22:50:23 | amiconn | Have dircache enabled. Put the cursor on the 'recording' item in the main menu. Connect USB. Then disconnect USB, and enter the recording screen _while the dircache scan in the background is still running_ |
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| 22:51:08 | amiconn | It doesn't crash, it even records correctly, but disk accesses are going on for an extended time |
| 22:51:16 | petur | ah, you call that easy ;) |
| 22:51:52 | amiconn | Sure, the dircache scan lasts for several seconds |
| 22:52:07 | amiconn | Very easy to happen by chance if you're using the iriver for recording the frequency response of the ipod video's hw eq |
| 22:52:50 | amiconn | But the huge delay is way more annoying |
| 22:54:02 | preglow | amiconn: ooooh, cool |
| 22:54:17 | preglow | please let me know when you've got some data on it |
| 22:54:55 | amiconn | The peak filter settings do nothing |
| 22:55:18 | amiconn | Well, at least pf1 does, I'll verify the other 2 soon |
| 22:55:40 | * | petur begins to understand why amiconn had that sine sweep plugin... |
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| 22:55:57 | amiconn | petur: plugin? |
| 22:56:06 | amiconn | low shelf and high shelf are working; will check whether the frequency settings works or not |
| 22:56:32 | petur | oh it wasn't a plugin... |
| 22:56:35 | amiconn | hrrrrmmm! |
| 22:56:57 | * | amiconn will disable dircache immediately |
| 22:58:08 | preglow | amiconn: you have a plugin for generating a log sweep? |
| 22:58:25 | amiconn | No, I just generated a .wav file containing a sine sweep which I am playing with repeat enabled |
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| 22:59:39 | amiconn | It would be more convenient to use the PC for recording, but my laptop sound chip is too crappy. Too much low freq and high freq attenuation |
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| 23:04:18 | preglow | i don't think i've seen a laptop with a good sound chip yet |
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| 23:11:15 | Jolt | Finally installed Rockbox on my iriver h320, it works amazingly, Thanks for the good job guys. |
| 23:11:54 | petur | you're late :p |
| 23:12:04 | Jolt | I know ;) |
| 23:12:15 | amiconn | Bah, swcodec recording feels really cumbersome compared to hwcodec |
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| 23:12:48 | Jolt | But the warranty went out on my player So I thought I would give it a try, been looking at it several times. |
| 23:13:09 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:13:19 | petur | amiconn: I just checked here and recording starts immediatly here |
| 23:13:39 | amiconn | Hmm? Strange... |
| 23:13:41 | Jolt | Right now I am just playing around with the themes. |
| 23:13:45 | petur | amiconn: prerecording on/off? |
| 23:13:48 | amiconn | off |
| 23:14:41 | amiconn | With prerecording off, I expect the recording to start when I press the button (or a few dozen milliseconds later), not more |
| 23:14:55 | amiconn | But it first spins up the disk, then starts recording |
| 23:14:58 | amiconn | (on H180) |
| 23:15:04 | petur | it does here... |
| 23:15:23 | Jolt | Oh well I wont disturb you guys anymore, Thanks for a good replacement to the old iriver h300 series firmware. |
| 23:15:29 | amiconn | Here it definietly doesn't |
| 23:15:29 | petur | even with prerec off, it starts quickly |
| 23:15:32 | Jolt | See you :) |
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| 23:15:58 | amiconn | Also, when stopping and pressing stop a second time, I'd expect it to leave the recording screen after stopping, but it doesn't |
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| 23:16:08 | petur | amiconn: starting recording doesn't spin the disk at all |
| 23:16:20 | amiconn | petur: H300? Might be very different because of rtc |
| 23:16:29 | petur | h380 |
| 23:17:07 | petur | I agree with pressing stop twice, the second stop is ignored |
| 23:17:25 | amiconn | It only leaves the recording screen when pressing stop the second time after it has fully stopped |
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| 23:20:11 | amiconn | preglow: low shelf and high shelf filters are fully working (cutoff and gain). Peaking filters do nothing at all |
| 23:20:34 | amiconn | Now if I knew a program that is able to calculate and divide 2 spectrums... |
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| 23:28:58 | preglow | amiconn: freqs and gains are matched to datasheet specs |
| 23:28:59 | preglow | ? |
| 23:29:46 | amiconn | I only have qualitative results right now (from looking at the sweep in audacity) |
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| 23:30:06 | Llorean | Alright, I'm here. Are any of the people who were asking questions about colors while I wasn't around still around? |
| 23:31:04 | amiconn | For quantitative results, I need to calculate the spectrum of the recorded linear sweep, plus the ones with the various low shelf and high shelf settings, then divide |
| 23:35:33 | amiconn | Ah, nice :) Audacity can export the calculated spectrum |
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| 23:36:46 | * | amiconn fires up ooo calc |
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| 23:45:45 | PaulJam_ | little question about the .colors files. is it normal that filetypes that are supported but are not in the .colors file are displayed in white even if the foregroundcolor is black? |
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| 23:50:08 | Llorean | PaulJam: They were supposed to show as the foreground color. |
| 23:50:12 | * | Llorean checks behaviour on his device. |
| 23:50:26 | PaulJam | i have a h300 if that matters |
| 23:51:33 | Llorean | No, I'm getting the same behavior you are. |
| 23:52:58 | Joel1 | toffe82, I'm finishing up the qemu image, i decided to actually make it a bash script that can create/update the image from inside or outside qemu! (in other words, it's an installer and package manager) |
| 23:53:24 | Joel1 | how's it going on the jiggabeat s? |
| 23:54:03 | PaulJam | it would be nice if it was possible to specify a color for unknown/unsupported files. maybe with "???" as fake extension in the .colors file. |
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| 23:54:17 | toffe82 | Joel1: we just hve the console port running before we left the hotel on sunday |
| 23:54:47 | toffe82 | so now we have a tool we can use to debug |
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| 23:56:34 | dionoea | Bagder: looks like no project member objects to mirroring rockbox stuff on our server. Which means that i can set it up as soon as you give me instructions. |
| 23:56:47 | toffe82 | Joely: normally we should be able to run the image from a usb key, if we don't install the accelarator , this should be good for people not using their computer |
| 23:58:59 | PaulJam | btw, why is the extension .colors? shouldn't it be .colours? (i thought rockbox uses british english) |
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