| 00:01:08 | Llorean | PaulJam: Blame the committer, he's from the US. |
| 00:01:13 | Llorean | lostlogic: You around? |
| 00:02:04 | Llorean | lostlogic: Either way, as PaulJam has noted, uncolored files aren't getting foreground color. I'm not seeing clearly why this is happening just yet. If you know, feel free to speak up, otherwise I'll read some more. |
| 00:05:16 | amiconn | preglow: Looks like they are 1st order filter, and the cutoffs match pretty well. Will try to suppress the noise in the diagram at higher frequencies, then provide a screenshot |
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| 00:06:26 | Llorean | lostlogic: Nevermind. I broke it. Fixing now |
| 00:06:39 | Llorean | PaulJam: Alright, the foreground issue should be fixed on next build, about to commit an undoing of my own silly mistake |
| 00:07:14 | PaulJam | ok, thanks |
| 00:07:19 | toffe82 | Joely: are you here ? |
| 00:07:30 | Joely | yup |
| 00:08:06 | Llorean | PaulJam: You fix one bug with what seems like an obvious fix, you create a new one because you forget that there are negative numbers out there. |
| 00:09:02 | toffe82 | Joely : the ideal would be to have everything running from a usb key so you can take it with you and use it on whatever computer (puppy linux has a version like this running with qemu) |
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| 00:10:03 | toffe82 | joely : what distro did you use ? |
| 00:10:44 | Llorean | PaulJam: As for unknown filetypes, that shouldn't be a real problem. It should honestly be trivial for me to add, but I'm not going to just at this moment as I'm working on a few other things, and I'd like a little time to float it in my head before I make another silly mistake in how it gets done. |
| 00:11:06 | preglow | amiconn: that points towards the full eq not being implemented, at least. if they had a full five band eq, i would have expected them to be 2nd order |
| 00:11:09 | Llorean | PaulJam: Feel free to remind me later if it doesn't end up getting done (I can't make any promises about my memory) |
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| 00:11:26 | PaulJam | ok |
| 00:11:34 | Joely | ah yes, however...I really don't want to get yelled at again for contributing something binary. It's going to be my own distro based off of source mage (another package manager written in bash). if you have any suggestions as to how you'd like the interface...by all means tell me. (right now it's using either stdio or lxdiag |
| 00:11:48 | Llorean | PaulJam: Alright, did you ask anything else that I haven't yet addressed? |
| 00:12:11 | Joely | it's just a simple compiling linuxbios kernel (so even the kernel is compressed) |
| 00:12:12 | toffe82 | Joely: I am not the good person to answer :) |
| 00:12:31 | Joely | and some userland utils |
| 00:12:36 | Joely | hehe, ok |
| 00:14:37 | toffe82 | Joely: you are talking of the arm emulator or making a distro for dev rockbox ? |
| 00:15:34 | Joely | toffe82, only for the dev image |
| 00:15:41 | toffe82 | ok |
| 00:17:09 | Llorean | PaulJam: Alright, svn build is finished, so feel free to tell me if I didn't manage to fix it. |
| 00:19:57 | PaulJam | Llorean: it is fixed. |
| 00:20:37 | Llorean | Thanks |
| 00:21:09 | Llorean | I'm about to go try something, I think unknown might be easier than I thought, but I'd prefer to use "unknown" rather than ???, because I've actually seen .??? files |
| 00:22:01 | PaulJam | Llorean: really? windows tells me that questionmarks aren't allowed in filenames. |
| 00:22:15 | Llorean | I could be wrong then |
| 00:22:17 | Soap | they are a wildcard |
| 00:22:19 | petur | hmmm '?' is a wildcard char in dos/windows |
| 00:22:52 | Soap | and in bash |
| 00:22:55 | Llorean | Since it's a fat32 only environment, I guess it shouldn't be a problem, eh? |
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| 00:27:46 | PaulJam | hmm, would it be possible to draw the list titles in the filebrwser in the folder colour? |
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| 00:29:08 | Llorean | PaulJam: I'm sure it *would* be, I'm not sure how to do that yet. Testing a ??? patch though, gimme a minute to see how it turns out |
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| 00:33:38 | Llorean | Alright |
| 00:33:41 | Llorean | Is everyone okay with .??? |
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| 00:33:54 | Llorean | Errr, ??? |
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| 00:36:33 | Llorean | Ah well, trivial change if ??? ends up being a bad idea. |
| 00:38:08 | Llorean | PaulJam: Is it acceptable that ??? sets the colors for *all* filetypes not assigned a custom color, rather than only "filetypes that are not supported' |
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| 00:40:56 | PaulJam | Llorean: it's ok. since you cann always add all supported filetypes to the .colors file if it is a problem. |
| 00:41:08 | Llorean | That's how I felt. |
| 00:41:25 | Llorean | Alright, next build will have that feature then. |
| 00:41:32 | PaulJam | nice |
| 00:42:10 | Llorean | ??? will set the color for all filetypes not given a custom color. |
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| 00:42:24 | Llorean | If ??? is left out, they'll still use foreground color |
| 00:43:05 | * | Llorean waits to find out if he's done anything new stupid. |
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| 00:46:18 | amiconn | preglow: http://www.jens-arnold.net/Rockbox/ipodvideo_spectrum.png |
| 00:47:15 | amiconn | The 4 curves are taken with each of the 4 cutoff settings for low shelf + high shelf (lowest+ lowest etc), at +6dB gain |
| 00:47:41 | Llorean | PaulJam: Alright, it's built. And it works here (tm) |
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| 00:48:13 | PaulJam | downloading... |
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| 00:50:28 | Llorean | PaulJam: I have absolutely no idea what will fall into coloring the current folder line. I've never looked at it before. It could be really trivial. Either way, I'll look at it later, and if it turns out to be the trivial case, it'll probably show up in the next day or so, if not much sooner. |
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| 00:56:43 | PaulJam | Llorean: didn't you say that all files that aren't explicitly given a colour show up in the ??? colour? for me the supported files that aren't in the file have the normal foreground colour. |
| 00:57:22 | Llorean | PaulJam: Hm, maybe I misread what the code did. I essentially changed what it falls back to. |
| 00:58:27 | PaulJam | well, it isn't a problem. i was just a little bit surprised. |
| 00:58:42 | Llorean | Yeah, I think I see where I got a little mixed up. |
| 00:58:57 | Llorean | But doing it any other way is going to take some extra CPU time that's essentially wasted. |
| 00:59:01 | Llorean | So, best to leave it this way. |
| 00:59:18 | Llorean | I think |
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| 01:03:40 | preglow | amiconn: interesting |
| 01:04:32 | preglow | so,you think we should definitely remove the whole hw eq screen? |
| 01:06:47 | amiconn | yes |
| 01:07:02 | preglow | agreed |
| 01:07:05 | amiconn | The question is whether we should keep the cutoff adjustment, and how to present it |
| 01:07:25 | preglow | well, if we do, there are other targets that could use it too |
| 01:07:30 | amiconn | Maybe have separate 'bass cutoff' and 'treble cutoff' settings? |
| 01:07:40 | amiconn | Yes, e.g. the irivers |
| 01:07:45 | preglow | and some ipods |
| 01:07:53 | amiconn | which ones? |
| 01:08:07 | preglow | hmm, the ones i fixed treble/bass controls for |
| 01:08:09 | preglow | nano, and some others |
| 01:08:27 | preglow | another problem is that the cutoff freq usually is sample rate dependent |
| 01:08:30 | amiconn | Btw, do you remember which is the closest matching wm* data sheet for the WM8758? |
| 01:08:45 | amiconn | (i.e. where the hw eq info was from) |
| 01:09:03 | preglow | ahh, no, i'm afraid i don't |
| 01:09:06 | preglow | linuxstb knows |
| 01:09:27 | preglow | the sample rate dependency isn't a problem now, but will be when we start adjusting the dac sample rate |
| 01:09:29 | linuxstb | The comments at the top of wm8758.c know as well ;) |
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| 01:09:49 | safetydan | yay, looks like the cgiirc script is no longer blocked |
| 01:12:40 | amiconn | linuxstb: Hmm, so the wm8750 datasheet was used both for the 8758 and the 8975? |
| 01:13:04 | linuxstb | That sounds unlikely... |
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| 01:16:48 | linuxstb | Where do you get WM8750 from? wm8758.c refers to the WM8983 datasheet, which rings a bell with me. |
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| 01:17:35 | amiconn | For some reason I thought the 8750 was used for the 8975 |
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| 01:17:47 | amiconn | I didn't know what was used for the 8758 |
| 01:18:10 | * | amiconn wonders why there are so many different wm codecs |
| 01:19:25 | amiconn | Hmm, the ipod video of does have eq settings. Now, are these hardware or software? :confused: |
| 01:20:22 | safetydan | the wm8750 datasheet doesn't look like the one I remember working off |
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| 01:21:32 | linuxstb | amiconn: You mean the common "Rock, Pop, Jazz, etc" type of EQ? |
| 01:21:39 | amiconn | yes |
| 01:22:07 | linuxstb | I'm pretty sure all ipods have that, but I don't have retailos on my Color at the moment to check... |
| 01:22:22 | linuxstb | Does your mini have it? |
| 01:22:26 | amiconn | 22 different presets (and off) |
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| 01:22:45 | amiconn | Don't know what the mini of has |
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| 01:24:03 | preglow | all ipods i have seen have those |
| 01:24:09 | preglow | and i'm fairly certain they are software implemented |
| 01:24:32 | preglow | i even found some code for software filtering when i disassembled retailos |
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| 01:29:17 | safetydan | preglow, is the retailos software eq less capable? |
| 01:30:04 | preglow | well, there are only presets |
| 01:30:08 | preglow | i've never even bothered to test it properly |
| 01:30:26 | preglow | rock, pop, classical, jazz |
| 01:30:26 | preglow | etc |
| 01:30:29 | preglow | completely uninteresting |
| 01:31:19 | DerPapst | all iPods have them. i'm pretty sure about it. |
| 01:32:01 | DerPapst | even those with a pp5002 cpu |
| 01:32:43 | preglow | yea |
| 01:35:17 | DerPapst | hehe |
| 01:35:17 | * | DerPapst just found that "hidden" image on the devconwest page... |
| 01:36:34 | preglow | hidden and hidden... |
| 01:36:40 | * | alienbiker99 found it too |
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| 01:39:45 | preglow | me sleepey |
| 01:39:47 | preglow | gnight |
| 01:40:21 | scorche | DerPapst: shush! =P |
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| 01:41:57 | * | Llorean rolls his eyes at scorche |
| 01:42:12 | scorche | Soap made it! |
| 01:43:09 | Soap | I made the physical product, but I in no way, shape, or form am responsible for the idol worship which has grown around it, nor am I responsible for the particular episode we are currently discussing. |
| 01:43:24 | scorche | well, hcs took the photo =P |
| 01:46:40 | Joely | ugh i sure hope my mom doesn't know how to read the internet >< |
| 01:46:45 | Joely | haha |
| 01:49:30 | scorche | well, it is a bit hard to find unless you see the source...then again, i made it a bit obvious by placing it at the bottom |
| 01:50:30 | Llorean | Considering it adds a huge chunk of whitespace at the bottom of the page in my browser, it was kinda incredibly blatant. |
| 01:50:42 | DerPapst | heh.. well it took me like.. um... 5 seconds to see some wired blue and underlined dot. :P |
| 01:51:01 | scorche | well, it wouldnt be any fun if no one noticed =P |
| 01:51:09 | Llorean | If you're going to hide it, at the very least just make it the period on the last line, which is already a link, and override the color to black. |
| 01:51:15 | DerPapst | if you want to hide it make the font colour whithe ;) |
| 01:51:32 | * | Llorean goes off to attempt to purchase a power strip. |
| 01:51:36 | scorche | i reference my above statement |
| 01:51:50 | * | DerPapst agrees |
| 01:52:03 | Llorean | scorche: Sorry, it may be a bit longer before I get to what I expected to do by 6. Been a little busy. |
| 01:52:06 | * | Llorean will be back soon |
| 01:52:32 | scorche | no problem...it can wait a few hours |
| 01:53:01 | DerPapst | me too. and waiting is even easier while sleeping. |
| 01:53:17 | * | DerPapst don'T even know for what he's waiting. |
| 01:54:50 | DerPapst | good night at all |
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| 02:07:42 | oblib | Has anyone that uses a nano seen the following: For no reason I can tell, my nano reports itself as unformatted to Windows. Rockbox works fine on it's own still, and Linux can read the drive without problems. |
| 02:08:20 | oblib | Also, independant of the above question, if I format the drive in Windows, will I be able to reinstall Rockbox, or do I have to restore the ipod through itunes first? |
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| 02:11:47 | linuxstb | Is Windows reporting that your ipod is unformatted, or itunes? |
| 02:11:56 | oblib | Windows. |
| 02:12:15 | oblib | When I pull up itunes, it says I'll probably need to restore it |
| 02:12:37 | oblib | Which is what I've always done in the past when it does this... and it comes back just fine |
| 02:13:20 | oblib | I haven't notice what makes it happen though. I used to think it was when the battery got run completely empty, but this last time it was plugged in the car the whole time |
| 02:13:45 | linuxstb | A few people have reported similar problems (on various ipods I think), but I don't think anyone knows the reason. |
| 02:14:33 | oblib | Do you know if I have to restore with iTunes, or can I just format and recopy .rockbox? |
| 02:14:45 | linuxstb | I don't know - just try it. |
| 02:15:02 | oblib | can I always restore it, even if I format it? |
| 02:15:25 | linuxstb | You _should_ be able to, but I can't tell you how itunes will behave. |
| 02:16:55 | oblib | okay, thanks. I guess I'll just keep my eyes out for some consistent cause to see if we can't nail this bug. |
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| 03:40:32 | JdGordon | dionoea: (post log read) yes, i wanted to have text_reader show the .colors colours, i might do it this arvo |
| 03:40:57 | Llorean | JdGordon: You mean, when a .colors file is loaded with it, it shows the color on the line? |
| 03:41:10 | JdGordon | yep |
| 03:42:40 | Llorean | I intend to rename .colors to .colours later tonight (assuming I don't forget or someone doesn't get to it first) just to give you a heads up |
| 03:42:53 | Llorean | That was a minor oversight but it needs to be fixed fairly soon before too many get used to it. |
| 03:44:30 | JdGordon | great :) |
| 03:44:47 | JdGordon | just rmemeber to do it in tools/buildzip.pl and text_editor.c |
| 03:45:18 | Llorean | I'll probably leave all the function names alone |
| 03:45:23 | Llorean | Since we have "HAVE_LCD_COLOR" anyway |
| 03:45:34 | Llorean | But yeah, I'll make sure to include the text editor bit |
| 03:45:48 | JdGordon | I think the decision last time was code was US spelling and anything the user sees is brittish |
| 03:47:33 | Llorean | Works for me. |
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| 03:54:53 | kohlman | I NEED HELP!! |
| 03:55:26 | JdGordon | have a cookie! |
| 03:55:50 | kohlman | k i have an iriver H10 5gb with rockbox and i am having troubles putting music on it |
| 03:56:50 | kohlman | they are wma so i no they wont work in rockbox but they dont even show up in original firmware |
| 03:57:51 | kohlman | can anyone help? |
| 03:58:10 | kohlman | scorche? |
| 03:58:33 | Llorean | kohlman: This has nothing to do with Rockbox then. You need to follow the instructions for using the original firmware, whatever manual came with your device. |
| 03:58:46 | kohlman | arg |
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| 04:18:33 | JdGordon | hey saratoga, had any luck with the plugin? |
| 04:19:41 | saratoga | still have it crashing |
| 04:19:55 | saratoga | JdGordon: I actually have a question |
| 04:20:03 | saratoga | my calls to rb->write always fail |
| 04:20:16 | saratoga | so i tried to put a debug statement into file.c so i could see which part failed |
| 04:20:27 | saratoga | however, it seems to me file.c doesn't get compiled? |
| 04:20:46 | JdGordon | is it in the makefile? SOURCES? |
| 04:20:49 | saratoga | at least it never shows up in the output of make, and theres no file.o file generated |
| 04:21:19 | JdGordon | its not being compiled then |
| 04:21:59 | JdGordon | im surprised your not getting compile errors if a file isnt being compiled at all... |
| 04:22:02 | saratoga | the sources file says it doesn't get compiled in the sim |
| 04:22:15 | JdGordon | need to fix that then |
| 04:22:52 | saratoga | dir.c is also excluded |
| 04:22:54 | saratoga | shoudl i add that? |
| 04:23:45 | JdGordon | hang on... which files are you fiddling with? |
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| 04:24:03 | saratoga | the SOURCES file in /firmware |
| 04:24:17 | JdGordon | you dont want to do that... |
| 04:24:27 | saratoga | yeah i have my doubts |
| 04:24:46 | saratoga | so if I'm in the uisim, where do calls to write actually go? |
| 04:25:01 | JdGordon | the system call equuivilant |
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| 04:25:27 | JdGordon | show us your rb->write code that fails |
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| 04:26:36 | aidan_47 | Hey guys, i need write permission for the wiki so i can upload my wps |
| 04:27:22 | saratoga | http://pastebin.ca/575513 |
| 04:27:26 | * | JdGordon checks crystal balll for aidan_47's nick |
| 04:27:44 | JdGordon | 404 nick not found |
| 04:27:56 | aidan_47 | ..right |
| 04:28:18 | aidan_47 | oh, btw, my wiki name is AidanWallace |
| 04:28:31 | JdGordon | saratoga: int out is the fd? has it been opened? |
| 04:28:37 | saratoga | JdGordon: that code returns -1 |
| 04:28:41 | saratoga | yes, its been opened |
| 04:28:49 | saratoga | i've verified that, the fd is 9 |
| 04:28:58 | saratoga | the call to open is in a different function |
| 04:28:59 | saratoga | outfile = rb->open(filenameout, 'w'); |
| 04:29:06 | saratoga | and also returns 9 |
| 04:29:21 | JdGordon | open returns >= 0? |
| 04:29:25 | JdGordon | then it worked,,, |
| 04:29:29 | JdGordon | hang on |
| 04:29:41 | saratoga | i can post the entire .c file if you like, its pretty short |
| 04:29:50 | JdGordon | ok |
| 04:29:56 | JdGordon | aidan_47: done |
| 04:31:01 | saratoga | http://pastebin.ca/575521 |
| 04:31:12 | saratoga | bit messy, but I borrowed most of it from the ffmpeg people |
| 04:31:24 | saratoga | works great in linux and cygwin though |
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| 04:32:39 | JdGordon | line 161 is wrong... open <0 is a fail |
| 04:32:45 | JdGordon | >=0 is ok |
| 04:33:22 | saratoga | it returns 9, though, so i don't think thats it |
| 04:33:27 | saratoga | i will recompile though and check |
| 04:33:39 | JdGordon | it wont be that... but thats a good thing too fix anyway |
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| 04:36:19 | saratoga | fixed, but the call to write still fails |
| 04:36:28 | saratoga | i'm going to try and write just a single digit and see what i get |
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| 04:38:03 | JdGordon | i cant see any reason why it would fail... sorry |
| 04:38:54 | JdGordon | oh, instead of putting rb->debugf() you can use DEBUGF() which is the same thing really... |
| 04:39:50 | saratoga | whats another plugin that will have to write to disk? |
| 04:39:50 | JdGordon | I would also suggest checking the strerror(errno) value like you hvae commented out |
| 04:40:07 | JdGordon | almost all of them |
| 04:40:50 | JdGordon | printf out and make sure its still the same value |
| 04:41:23 | JdGordon | line 115 should be outfile= -1; |
| 04:42:37 | saratoga | what do I need to do to make errrno be defined? |
| 04:43:23 | jurrie | you've tried errno.h ? |
| 04:44:02 | saratoga | i was under the impression that plugins should not be including system headers |
| 04:44:25 | jurrie | ah, ok... sorry |
| 04:44:53 | jurrie | then I'd suggest using grep on the rockbox supplied header files |
| 04:46:14 | saratoga | hmm, some othe rplugins include it, so maybe its ok |
| 04:46:16 | saratoga | i'll try that |
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| 04:48:28 | jurrie | that was my next suggestion: check other plugins to see if they use errno |
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| 04:54:32 | saratoga | the error is "Bad File Descriptor" |
| 04:54:50 | saratoga | which makes no sense |
| 04:55:41 | jurrie | which function? |
| 04:57:15 | saratoga | i'm trying to call write on a file descriptor I just opened |
| 04:57:29 | saratoga | the call to open returns nonzero, so i can only assume it worked |
| 04:58:05 | jurrie | and you opened it for write, append, or some such? |
| 04:58:30 | saratoga | out = rb->open("/x.wav", 'w'); |
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| 05:04:14 | jurrie | hmmmm, odd |
| 05:04:40 | jurrie | open generally takes a bit mask for open mode. You're using 'w'. |
| 05:05:05 | jurrie | Not sure if that's how Rockbox's open works, just cross-referencing standard unix calls |
| 05:05:32 | jurrie | fopen() would take a string for open mode, IIRC |
| 05:06:25 | saratoga | the rockbox one uses an int |
| 05:06:31 | saratoga | or char i guess |
| 05:06:36 | jurrie | don't guess |
| 05:06:40 | saratoga | i'll try that though, maybe the sim is different |
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| 05:06:55 | jurrie | no rockbox API doc? |
| 05:08:24 | saratoga | that works |
| 05:08:39 | saratoga | the rockbox api says it takes an int, and the gcc even complains when I try and pass in an int |
| 05:08:49 | saratoga | but if I pass in an int it works, and if I pass in a string it does not |
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| 05:09:15 | jurrie | it's not just the type that I'd be worried about.... the contents matter as well |
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| 05:09:36 | jurrie | shouldn't need to guess. The header file for the open() doesn't include info? |
| 05:09:47 | jurrie | other plugins that use open() may be of help as well |
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| 05:11:40 | saratoga | the non-sim version clearly takes an int, so this is only going to apply to the sim |
| 05:12:06 | jurrie | by definition, one would think they'd be identical |
| 05:12:20 | safetydan | saratoga, if there's a difference between the sim and target for the open call that's a bug. |
| 05:12:44 | jurrie | you can't call something a sim if it, in fact, doesn't |
| 05:13:09 | saratoga | safetydan: i'm assuming its a problem with my install, since theres no way this could havfe gone unnoticed |
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| 05:13:40 | saratoga | where does the call to rb->open get translated to my system's fopen ? |
| 05:13:44 | safetydan | saratoga, must be something very odd for it to break that way for you. |
| 05:14:04 | safetydan | uisimulator/common/io.c I think |
| 05:14:05 | jurrie | you'd think rb->open() would map to open(), not fopen() |
| 05:14:50 | safetydan | jurrie, it does map to open |
| 05:15:16 | saratoga | i didn't know open existed |
| 05:15:23 | jurrie | lol.... sorry |
| 05:15:26 | safetydan | (and _wopen in windows) |
| 05:15:44 | jurrie | fopen() uses open() |
| 05:15:49 | safetydan | saratoga, I believe fopen is a C stdio specific thing. open() is a Unix system call |
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| 05:16:51 | jurrie | that's true, though most systems provide some sort of open, even if they are not necessarily file descriptor based |
| 05:17:49 | safetydan | saratoga, test_codec.c does some file reading if you want an example |
| 05:24:35 | saratoga | could this be related to me running the ui sim over an SSH session? |
| 05:24:44 | saratoga | i know that screws up the audio buffer |
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| 05:35:04 | saratoga | OH CRAP IT WORKS |
| 05:35:32 | saratoga | turns out the proper flag for open is O_WRONLY rathern then "w" (which is for fopen only) |
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| 05:51:09 | toffe82 | want some fun , listen to this http://zune-linux.com/zune.mp3 ;) to crack the encryption you need two solder point :) |
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| 05:52:08 | saratoga | any ideas what this means? |
| 05:52:10 | saratoga | "nonconstant expression for origin" |
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| 05:58:21 | saratoga | also, any ideas why my makefile builds everything in the source code directory? |
| 05:58:34 | saratoga | i literally copied one of the normal rockbox plugin files and changed it to target my c files |
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| 06:04:07 | JdGordon | toffe82: that was posted last week, and yeah, funny :) |
| 06:04:17 | toffe82 | yes |
| 06:04:29 | toffe82 | sorry I miss it last week |
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| 06:12:04 | shrike42 | so, the big list of #ifdefs at the start of a lot of plugins for CONFIG_KEYPAD for each target, is that the right way to do things or is there something better? |
| 06:12:58 | JdGordon | it depends how much control you need from the buttons |
| 06:13:58 | JdGordon | have a look at lib/pluginlib_actions.h if all your buttons are in one of those arrays (i.e you just need 4 directions and fire) then use that instead |
| 06:14:14 | shrike42 | ah okay, thank you. |
| 06:21:14 | Llorean | JdGordon: Colors->Colours should be done now. |
| 06:21:43 | JdGordon | ok cool |
| 06:22:16 | JdGordon | you got it everywhere? |
| 06:22:53 | Llorean | I believe so. |
| 06:23:07 | Llorean | Well, everywhere user visible |
| 06:23:25 | Llorean | The functions, for example, are still things like get_colors, but the line in the config file is filetype colours, and the files are .colours files |
| 06:23:46 | Llorean | And the comment has been updated to that spelling too |
| 06:24:59 | JdGordon | you missed viewers.config |
| 06:25:31 | Llorean | There shouldn't be anything referencing .colors/.colours in viewers.config |
| 06:25:39 | Llorean | Or did you add that and I missed it? |
| 06:25:56 | JdGordon | I added that for text_editor |
| 06:26:01 | Llorean | I grepped for .colors and didn't see it. =/ |
| 06:26:05 | Llorean | I'll fix it then |
| 06:26:43 | JdGordon | no "." in viewers.config |
| 06:26:49 | Llorean | Aaah, that'd do it yeah |
| 06:27:20 | Llorean | Anywhere else, you think? |
| 06:27:30 | JdGordon | might want to put a message on the user ml letting everyone know about the change |
| 06:27:38 | Llorean | Will do |
| 06:27:42 | JdGordon | I cant think of anywhere else you may have missed |
| 06:27:54 | Llorean | I know that functionally it works fine, so I think it's likely that's the only place I missed |
| 06:28:49 | * | JdGordon goes back to reading lecture notes |
| 06:32:18 | shrike42 | Can someone point me towards some information about making a plugin that can also function as a viewer? Is there an example of this? (I didn't notice one) Or maybe I'm thinking about this wrong, my current project is to create a game recorder/viewer for Go, so I want to be able to create and view game files... |
| 06:33:04 | safetydan | shrike42, chessbox behaves like you describe I think |
| 06:33:13 | shrike42 | oh does it? hmm |
| 06:33:47 | Llorean | Sudoko does as well |
| 06:33:51 | Llorean | Sudoku |
| 06:34:18 | shrike42 | okay, thanks. i'll look at them and see if i can figure out what's going on |
| 06:34:35 | JdGordon | shrike42: that void* parameter will be a filename if it was called as a viewer |
| 06:34:56 | JdGordon | you need to add your plugin to viewers.config for this to work first |
| 06:35:06 | shrike42 | ohhh, i see. okay that's really easy then |
| 06:35:11 | shrike42 | thanks a lot |
| 06:35:12 | JdGordon | yep |
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| 07:04:38 | midkay | btw, does nobody think it's a little odd to have .colours open by default in text_editor? |
| 07:05:17 | midkay | to use themes, you select them. to use WPS', you select them. to load fonts, you select them. to set colors, you.. well.. don't select them, because that'll just edit them. what an odd default. |
| 07:06:10 | Llorean | Neither icons nor colors files are loaded directly |
| 07:06:20 | midkay | well, icons don't do anything at least. |
| 07:06:33 | midkay | colors opens an editor. who wants to edit it on their device? practically no one, and if they do, they know how to do it... |
| 07:06:37 | Llorean | Yeah, well *we* didn't make .colors do anything either. :-P |
| 07:06:44 | midkay | what? |
| 07:07:10 | Llorean | The original .colors commit didn't include using the text editor to change them. |
| 07:07:13 | JdGordon | I think editing on the device is better than on the computer |
| 07:07:16 | Llorean | That was something done while I was sleeping. |
| 07:07:23 | midkay | i'm not pointing the finger at anyone here, just commenting. |
| 07:07:24 | JdGordon | you can see what the colour will actually look like |
| 07:07:49 | midkay | i'm saying it's misleading/unexpected, and definitely inconsistent. it'd be much nicer to have it do nothing at all. |
| 07:07:49 | Llorean | JdGordon: You can edit on the device without making it the default action. People can use open with, right? |
| 07:07:49 | midkay | Llorean: yes. |
| 07:08:08 | midkay | JdGordon: i can't imagine anyone *desiring* to go through the pain of editing it line by line with an often-hard-to-use vkeyboard... |
| 07:08:14 | JdGordon | yeah, remove the line from viewers.config, but then noone will knwo text editro has builtin support for it |
| 07:08:31 | JdGordon | midkay: text editor uses a gui for the colour part |
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| 07:08:59 | midkay | JdGordon: hum? really? i'll have to see this.. |
| 07:09:27 | JdGordon | thats the reason it was added to v.config |
| 07:09:48 | Llorean | Honestly, I'm starting to think that maybe .wps and .font shouldn't have default actions either when launched. I'm kinda liking the idea of .cfg being the only type of file that can actually change a "setting", even if that setting is only "which .wps file do I load at startup" |
| 07:10:04 | Llorean | Or, rather than "no default", the default shouldn't be to load them. |
| 07:10:29 | Llorean | But that's something that just caught up with me, and I haven't examined it for dangers or inconsistencies yet. |
| 07:10:32 | midkay | Llorean: i like the ability to switch fonts or wps' on the go, even if i never use it. why not? |
| 07:11:41 | Llorean | midkay: Just pair wpses and fonts with .cfg files then. I know it means more (tiny) files, but it does create a sort of consistency. |
| 07:11:59 | JdGordon | yeah, I have no problem loading wps/fnts also... maybe .icons and .colours should be loaded also when run? |
| 07:12:16 | Llorean | JdGordon: .icons can't be unless it somehow describes which .bmp is the main icon file. |
| 07:12:38 | midkay | JdGordon: well, that was my idea. i'd rather have it actually load the file, although i just tried the editor and i must say it's pretty nice. |
| 07:12:41 | JdGordon | ah yes |
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| 07:13:22 | Llorean | But very people load just a .wps, rather than a whole theme, these days. |
| 07:13:32 | Llorean | Especially since the vast majority of WPSes require specific height fonts anyway. |
| 07:13:47 | JdGordon | a possibly valid point... |
| 07:14:06 | JdGordon | amiconn will disagree tho (doesnt everyone use the player with only 1 font..? ) :D |
| 07:14:37 | Llorean | On my H120 all my WPSes use the same height font, and the only fonts on the player were (may still be) the same height. |
| 07:15:44 | Llorean | But it'd be trivial to just include with the font zip .cfg files for each one, and with wpses the same thing. Then the "Browse Fonts" and "Browse WPSes" options could show only .cfg files in those folders, rather than unique extensions. |
| 07:15:56 | Llorean | Then you get the option to make the default actions on actual .font or .wps files anything you want. |
| 07:16:09 | Llorean | Perhaps even a font previewer or a .wps editor in the future if anyone gets ambitious |
| 07:16:17 | midkay | that sounds ridiculous, no offense. why so many tiny files. maybe i'm missing the point. |
| 07:17:17 | Llorean | Because it lends itself to a sort of consistency that makes sense to an obsessive compulsive voice in my head: Instead of it being unclear which filetypes change a Rockbox setting to use that file, and which ones open a viewer, have all non-cfg files open a viewer or launch playback. |
| 07:18:21 | * | Llorean shrugs |
| 07:18:24 | Llorean | Either way, it's just an idea. |
| 07:18:29 | midkay | sounds unnecessary to me. for one, fonts have their own icons. |
| 07:18:42 | midkay | you're proposing .cfg files for _every_ font, language, WPS, RWPS, etc? |
| 07:19:16 | Llorean | Something that could be very easily handled with a script, yes. |
| 07:20:52 | midkay | right. something that also results in somewhere around a hundred tiny and effectively unnecessary files. i don't personally see the benefit. fonts and languages and wps' have their own icons, so in fact i think those files on their own are clearer than a big network of .cfg files. |
| 07:21:18 | Llorean | I don't see what "having their own icons" has to do with anything. |
| 07:21:19 | JdGordon | I would accept the idea with one provision.... a new menu item was added "add file to config" then it showed the possible settings which take a filename |
| 07:21:41 | Llorean | JdGordon: That was floating around in my head too. Something like "Create config for this file" |
| 07:22:04 | midkay | Llorean: visual indication that "this is a font" or "this is a language", which obviously will load itself. |
| 07:22:10 | JdGordon | not create config... use in current config... |
| 07:22:18 | Llorean | JdGordon: Or that. |
| 07:22:34 | Llorean | midkay: Assuming A) Enabled icons, B) Current iconset differentiates |
| 07:22:52 | Llorean | As well, it isn't obvious to everyone that clicking on a .lang from the normal file browser enables that language |
| 07:22:58 | Llorean | In fact I'd suspect the majority of our users don't in fact know that |
| 07:23:03 | midkay | Llorean: well, if it has its own icon, it's executable, right? |
| 07:23:15 | JdGordon | no |
| 07:23:25 | midkay | its own specific icon. |
| 07:23:27 | JdGordon | bmps have their icon and are not excetuable |
| 07:23:40 | midkay | JdGordon: that's..... odd, to say the least. |
| 07:23:53 | * | JdGordon is pretty sure bmps have an icon |
| 07:24:03 | midkay | i'm not sure of that. |
| 07:24:30 | Llorean | Having only .cfg change settings, and all other files unable to change settings, offers a sort of protection against accidentally changing a setting too. |
| 07:24:48 | midkay | well, you can as easily click a .fnt file as click a .cfg file. |
| 07:25:44 | Llorean | Yes, but with things like .wps files, where people try to manually edit them on their player, context-menu misses are more forgiving. |
| 07:27:30 | midkay | and how often do users find a need to edit a WPS on their device, and out of those incredibly few times how many do they accidentally click on the file rather than opening the menu. and for the few seconds it might take to rectify the issue (assuming it's a WPS they didn't want loaded, which is probably rare - if you're editing it, you'll want it loaded anyways) it's a moot point, i think. |
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| 07:28:59 | Llorean | Alright then, what do you have against the addition of consistency? Why is the current system better, with a semi-random variety of filetypes being able to change settings, some by way of direct click, some by context menu, and some only by way of a .cfg file (and in one of those cases it's only possible by way of .cfg file without changes to the file formats as they exist now)? |
| 07:29:51 | midkay | Llorean: which files change settings through the context menu? bitmaps? i think that method is flawed anyways. it only works correctly if the files are in a certain folder.. i think that should be left to config files. |
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| 07:30:36 | midkay | Llorean: i despise inconsistency. but i don't think hundreds of useless files is the way to do it. i think clicking on files should load those files, and we can have some CFG files to automate this (themes for visual settings, full cfg files for entire configurations of sound/general/visual settings). |
| 07:30:43 | Llorean | Actually it works how almost all direct-click methods work too: WPSes don't stick unless they're in the right folder, and neither do some others I believe. |
| 07:31:11 | Llorean | The files aren't useless, since they're actually being used. |
| 07:31:15 | JdGordon | all filename settings require it to be in a certain folder to last over the reset |
| 07:31:42 | midkay | well, if the concept were introduced then they would *have* to be used. but i'm saying i think they don't need to be introduced. |
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| 07:31:49 | Llorean | And the files are trivially small, and add consistency. So, please describe objectively why they're bad other than "I don't like it" |
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| 07:32:04 | amiconn | Yup, and all settings involving 'playing' a file are obviously filename settings |
| 07:32:24 | amiconn | Llorean: They aren't kiss, and they waste space |
| 07:32:30 | Llorean | amiconn: See, there's a good one. |
| 07:32:42 | Llorean | As I said, I'm not strongly behind this idea, it was something that pounced upon me at that moment. |
| 07:32:47 | midkay | i think the reason bmp files are loaded as backdrops through the context menu is because it's an odd default. when you click a wps, it makes sense to load and use it. when you click a bmp, you'd probably expect it to open in a viewer. since all we can do now is load them as backdrops, we probably don't want that as default because it'd be against logic. |
| 07:32:50 | Llorean | But I think the space wasted is trivial. |
| 07:33:11 | amiconn | Even a 'trivially' small' file can take 32KB of disk space |
| 07:33:21 | midkay | Llorean: i don't like the idea of having to create cfg files for every wps or font i add myself, either. i'd rather click the font and load it than context-menu -> create cfg -> load cfg it. |
| 07:33:49 | Llorean | midkay: Something you only have to do once per. How many fonts+wpses have you ever made? |
| 07:34:11 | midkay | Llorean: a few. but it's still not simple. it's unnecessarily complicated. |
| 07:34:30 | midkay | click+load makes more sense than navigating menus to create configs in order to load a file. |
| 07:34:38 | JdGordon | midkay: it would be contect-menu->load as... "background bmp, font, language, icons, colours" menu |
| 07:34:50 | JdGordon | not a create .cfg like Llorean is suggesting |
| 07:34:51 | midkay | JdGordon: not in Llorean's proposed .cfg file method... |
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| 07:35:07 | Llorean | midkay: Actually, it could very well be done as he described it in my method |
| 07:35:13 | amiconn | Llorean: In your suggestion, what would be the default action when clicking a wps, font etc? |
| 07:35:33 | Llorean | amiconn: Nothing at the moment, unless a viewer wanted them. They'd then be hidden when browsing the player under "supported" |
| 07:35:49 | amiconn | Imo it would be very counter-intuitive when nothing would happen |
| 07:35:54 | Llorean | As I said, I'm not strongly in favour of the idea, I was just exploring it as a way to make it clear when settings are going to be changed by a file |
| 07:36:01 | midkay | if there's a font, and i click it, why exactly should it not load? |
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| 07:36:16 | midkay | it makes sense. it simply makes sense. |
| 07:36:20 | Llorean | midkay: Because you don't *see* it under "supported", evidence the file is clearly not supported |
| 07:36:33 | midkay | Llorean: why wouldn't a font or WPS be supported? |
| 07:36:39 | midkay | .. we DO support them. |
| 07:36:47 | * | Llorean shrugs. |
| 07:36:56 | Llorean | Then offer another solution to the problem |
| 07:37:14 | JdGordon | the files would have to be shown under supported.. otherwsie the user could never open then :) |
| 07:37:16 | Llorean | Instead of tearing mine apart, one I've openly stated several times I'm not strongly behind, find a better way. |
| 07:37:28 | midkay | what problem?! i fail to see an actual problem. you're proposing alternative methods to something that's already working out. |
| 07:37:34 | midkay | it could be better, but it's working and it's been this way for years. |
| 07:37:48 | midkay | what's the sudden need to clutter up our disks and complicate the loading of files? |
| 07:37:50 | amiconn | And since there is no font viewer etc, and having one wouldn't really make sense, having the default action to load the font is perfectly fine, and most convenient |
| 07:38:10 | Llorean | midkay: You're arbitrarily saying it's complicated. |
| 07:38:18 | amiconn | Using a .cfg would just make it cumbersome |
| 07:38:21 | Llorean | Any properly formatted theme, wps, or etc, would appear the same to the user. |
| 07:38:22 | midkay | Llorean: i agree there are some inconsistencies that could use addressing. but it's not a life-or-death matter. it works fine aside from a few inconsistencies. |
| 07:38:43 | JdGordon | amiconn: why would a font viewer not make sense? |
| 07:38:46 | midkay | Llorean: but behind the scenes it's a mess, and for the user creating his or her own wps it's even odder. |
| 07:39:04 | amiconn | JdGordon: Because you can just test it in rockbox directly |
| 07:39:18 | Llorean | It's hardly a "mess" outside the fact that you have extra files. |
| 07:39:21 | JdGordon | fair enough |
| 07:39:40 | Llorean | And when's the last time a user created *just* a .wps without a .cfg to load it anyway? |
| 07:39:40 | * | JdGordon doesnt like the idea of those little .cfg's everywhere |
| 07:39:42 | amiconn | As long as such a file doesn't reside in its special folder, it doesn't change settings permanently |
| 07:40:08 | midkay | not like it's not as easy as a click to switch it back to the old font.. |
| 07:40:16 | midkay | unless it's Llorean's method, in which you might need a few clicks. :) |
| 07:40:22 | Llorean | midkay: No, you wouldn't. |
| 07:40:27 | Llorean | Which shows you don't understand what I'm saying |
| 07:40:34 | Llorean | Browse Fonts would still show a list, exactly as it does now. |
| 07:40:41 | midkay | Llorean: i understand that. |
| 07:41:15 | midkay | but it's really just a bunch of cfg files mapped to font files... innovative! because loading the fonts directly makes little sense? |
| 07:41:19 | amiconn | If you're browsing them via 'Show fonts' etc, you know that they are settings - and if your're browsing /.rockbox/fonts you must know what you're doing (as it requires 'show files' set to 'all') |
| 07:41:29 | JdGordon | Llorean: If you go "browse fonts" I would for sure expect running the font would apply it |
| 07:41:44 | JdGordon | going to /.rockbox/fonts is a different story though |
| 07:42:19 | Llorean | And if they were .cfg files, the files could be placed anywhere and assume /.rockbox/fonts so nobody could load a font outside that directory, and we'd never again be asked why fonts reset on startup. |
| 07:42:47 | amiconn | Who asked _that_? |
| 07:42:56 | Llorean | amiconn: It's been asked with wpses, themes, and backdrops. |
| 07:43:25 | Llorean | I don't think anyone in the history of Rockbox has actually loaded a .fnt outside the appropriate folder, at least, without knowing clearly what he's doing. |
| 07:43:29 | JdGordon | that btw is an artificial limitation which can be removed |
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| 07:46:40 | amiconn | JdGordon: This limitiation used to be non-artificial, but it also makes some sense to keep it |
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| 07:47:24 | JdGordon | yeah, I know.. but some of the talk sounds like people think there is still a _real_ reason for this |
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| 07:49:31 | amiconn | (a) This way you can test things easier. Even if a font completely messes up display, it will be reset after reboot. (b) a file outside /.rockbox has a higher chance of becoming deleted, ,and then people might wonder why their setting is no longer active |
| 07:51:35 | amiconn | However, I have no strong opinion on this, as there are other ways to reset a bad setting. And (b) will probably cause about the same amount of questions as the old behaviour that file-settings outside /.rockbox don't stick |
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| 07:53:08 | JdGordon | its less work to leave it as is :D |
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| 07:54:47 | sample45 | hello? |
| 07:54:55 | * | sample45 is anyone there |
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| 07:55:23 | Osama | How are .flac files sorted in rockbox? I would like to know so I can sort them better |
| 07:56:03 | JdGordon | same as every other file |
| 07:56:04 | sample45 | i don t know |
| 07:56:11 | sample45 | what a flac file is |
| 07:56:54 | sample45 | is rockbox discontinueing work on the toshiba gigabeat platform? |
| 07:57:04 | sample45 | no real updates seem to be in the works |
| 07:57:07 | Osama | Well with mp3 files they contain easily editable information right from iTunes, what program would I use to edit the artist, album, and etc. information? |
| 07:57:31 | JdGordon | rockbox currently only sorts by filename (unless your in the database...) |
| 07:57:37 | Llorean | Osama: Any decent tag editor should support vorbis comments. If it doesn't, it's not decent. :-P |
| 07:57:56 | Llorean | sample45: What exactly are you expecting? |
| 07:58:08 | Llorean | Nearly all the hardware works, and application-level updates affect all Rockbox targets. |
| 07:58:27 | sample45 | well... i dunno... more skins and plugins |
| 07:58:32 | Osama | By file name? As of now it has different songs in different artist folders, so it must be something beyond that? |
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| 07:59:10 | Osama | I just need to rename some artists, as I'm a neat freak when it comes to my music, so I can always find what I'm looking for |
| 07:59:16 | Llorean | sample45: Skins are entirely up to the community to produce. |
| 07:59:37 | sample45 | i ve got no idea how to produce them.... |
| 07:59:42 | Llorean | sample45: Plugins are generally made for all targets, and are again mostly up to the community. The project itself tends to focus on core features (mostly) |
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| 08:00:07 | sample45 | core features being? |
| 08:00:26 | Llorean | New codecs, bug fixes, etc. |
| 08:00:30 | Llorean | UI updates. |
| 08:00:42 | sample45 | UI means.... |
| 08:00:56 | Osama | user interface |
| 08:00:58 | Llorean | Osama: Are you referring to the database? Folders generally only mean file tree, the database uses filters. |
| 08:01:35 | Llorean | Osama: For the database, yes, you'll need to find something that can edit vorbis comments. On windows Foobar2000 can do this, or The Godfather I believe, as two popular programs. |
| 08:01:39 | sample45 | how come 50% of my music is untagged when i use rockbox but completely legit with anything else |
| 08:01:56 | Llorean | sample45: "Anything else" meaning? |
| 08:02:19 | Osama | Thank you much :) |
| 08:02:55 | sample45 | my normal gigabeat software |
| 08:02:58 | sample45 | and my zune |
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| 08:03:29 | Llorean | What format are the songs, and what tagging format are they? |
| 08:03:56 | sample45 | mp3 mostly.... umm i dont know what tagging forms there are |
| 08:04:05 | sample45 | or how to tell |
| 08:04:11 | Llorean | Your best bet is to check the tags in a proper tag editor on your PC. |
| 08:04:21 | sample45 | ive got foobar |
| 08:04:39 | sample45 | and its data base is well organized |
| 08:05:05 | Llorean | That doesn't tell me whether they're ID3v1, ID3v2 or ApeV2 tags |
| 08:06:14 | sample45 | how do i tell? |
| 08:06:39 | Llorean | Foobar2k should be able to tell you, though I'm not sure where to go in it to find out. |
| 08:08:05 | sample45 | i dunno.... |
| 08:08:12 | sample45 | i might figure it out later |
| 08:08:22 | sample45 | what do you have that runs rockbox? |
| 08:09:04 | Llorean | Gigabeat F40, iRiver H120, iPod Nano, Sandisk Sansa e270, AJBR20v1 |
| 08:10:22 | sample45 | you have all of those? |
| 08:10:32 | Osama | Do you know if there is a plugin that allows a song or directory to be played as an alarm? |
| 08:10:49 | sample45 | thatd be tight (osama) |
| 08:11:33 | Osama | Indeed |
| 08:11:44 | Llorean | Osama: I believe there's a patch that allows it to resume playback as an alarm, which means all you'd have to do is queue up the track or folder. |
| 08:12:07 | Osama | Ah, I'll have a look for that :) |
| 08:16:10 | sample45 | so how much could i sell a gigabeat running rockbox for i wonder |
| 08:16:49 | Llorean | I wouldn't pay more than $100 for one. |
| 08:17:00 | Llorean | Assuming the 40gb model |
| 08:17:17 | sample45 | yeah..... its a 20gig |
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| 08:17:58 | sample45 | question |
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| 08:18:46 | sample45 | if i erase my gigabeat completely.... and then add all the files again..... would they run on the normal gigabeat software as well as rockbox.... without the SAT encryption? |
| 08:19:41 | sample45 | feel free to leap to a response |
| 08:20:34 | sample45 | anyone.... i would apreciate an answer |
| 08:20:37 | Llorean | I don't believe the original firmware will play non-encrypted files. As well, Rockbox and the original firmware don't coexist. |
| 08:20:40 | Osama | You do realize that these people don't have to do this, they do it to be helpful. |
| 08:20:41 | Llorean | Also, have patience. |
| 08:20:54 | Llorean | You aren't paying us, and we have lives and jobs to do elsewhere. |
| 08:20:58 | sample45 | yeah.... im just tired |
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| 08:21:27 | sample45 | im running the 3.0 firmware.... |
| 08:21:53 | sample45 | i know they dont coexist but i change them back and forth for s***s and giggles |
| 08:21:57 | Llorean | Anyway, questions about what the original firmware can and cannot do don't belong here. |
| 08:22:15 | sample45 | nice |
| 08:22:37 | sample45 | well... |
| 08:22:50 | sample45 | i suppose i could load all the files twice... |
| 08:22:52 | Llorean | Most Gigabeat users here have never run the original firmware. Those that have don't generally intend to go back. This channel is also #Rockbox, and is provided for support of the Rockbox software. |
| 08:23:02 | sample45 | yeah i know |
| 08:23:03 | Llorean | So please, try to stay on topic to things relating specifically to Rockbox. |
| 08:23:44 | sample45 | is it possible to change a background of a theme without |
| 08:23:57 | sample45 | creating a totally new one |
| 08:24:35 | Llorean | If you mean in the while playing screen, you have to edit the .wps file. If you mean in the menus, you can just select a legal bitmap file and choose to set it as the backdrop from the context menu. |
| 08:25:07 | sample45 | can you chose the bmp from the device? |
| 08:25:40 | Llorean | I don't know what you're asking. |
| 08:25:53 | Llorean | If you mean "while inside Rockbox, can you choose it", I've already told you, you just use the context menu. |
| 08:27:16 | sample45 | then a better question would be.... how do i get to the context menu? |
| 08:29:32 | Llorean | Ah, the proper answer for that one is one you will hear a lot in here: |
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| 08:29:39 | Llorean | Before asking a question, read the manual. |
| 08:29:47 | amiconn | LinusN: Did you see the frequency response graphs I made of the ipod video hw eq? |
| 08:30:03 | LinusN | eh, no |
| 08:30:34 | amiconn | As expected, the peaking filter settings do nothing. Low shelf and high shelf filters are fully working (gain and cutoff) |
| 08:31:02 | amiconn | http://www.jens-arnold.net/Rockbox/ipodvideo_spectrum.png |
| 08:31:06 | LinusN | no surprise there |
| 08:31:21 | amiconn | (yes there's a german tooltip which slipped into the screenshot) |
| 08:31:53 | LinusN | :-) |
| 08:32:14 | amiconn | The 4 curves show low shelf and high shelf set to each of their 4 possible cutoff settings, at +6dB gain |
| 08:33:15 | LinusN | which leaves us to the question: why did we think that there is a hw eq in the first place? |
| 08:35:37 | amiconn | I think it's because the register file matches a wm codec with public datasheet that does have full eq |
| 08:36:03 | amiconn | The wm codecs with only treble/bass have the respective settings in different registers |
| 08:36:16 | amiconn | ...and also in a different format |
| 08:36:17 | LinusN | i see |
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| 08:36:29 | amiconn | linuxstb should know best |
| 08:36:51 | amiconn | It looks to me like this wm8758 is a cut-down version of another type |
| 08:37:46 | amiconn | I think we should use the low shelf and high shelf as treble & bass setting, and offer the cutoff frequencies as separate settings. |
| 08:38:11 | amiconn | The latter makes sense on some other targets as well, e.g. the irivers |
| 08:38:17 | LinusN | sounds fair |
| 08:38:36 | LinusN | RhinoBanga: there? |
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| 08:46:39 | amiconn | The question on iriver is how to handle cutoff frequency <-> max gain interdependency for bass |
| 08:47:32 | amiconn | The uda offers 2 cutoff settings for treble, and 2 for bass. However, one bass cutoff allows for a maximum of +18dB gain, the other allows for +24dB gain |
| 08:48:01 | amiconn | I guess we can just limit it to +18dB .... even that already sounds crappy |
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| 08:49:05 | GodEater | does anyone know if 3G iPods charge over USB, or is it only firewire ? |
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| 09:01:26 | webguest74 | i |
| 09:01:34 | webguest74 | am web gues 74 |
| 09:01:44 | webguest25 | how are things going? in here |
| 09:01:51 | webguest74 | great |
| 09:01:55 | webguest74 | now that ive arived |
| 09:02:01 | | Nick webguest25 is now known as joemoma (i=4208ae1e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3807037a59a82c9e) |
| 09:02:07 | joemoma | w00t name change |
| 09:02:30 | | Nick webguest74 is now known as erm (i=47668e4f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ee0c6aa03e7c9f6b) |
| 09:02:46 | joemoma | so... where do I download the porn? |
| 09:03:05 | erm | to go on my iriver |
| 09:03:29 | joemoma | meh... I never figured out how to download off of irc |
| 09:03:43 | RhinoBanga | LinusN: I'm here |
| 09:04:00 | LinusN | the -1 is correct |
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| 09:04:16 | LinusN | got to go to a meeting, bbl |
| 09:04:21 | RhinoBanga | k |
| 09:04:25 | RhinoBanga | talk l8r |
| 09:04:47 | erm | grrr |
| 09:04:58 | erm | no one wants to help me download porn |
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| 09:05:42 | | Quit erm ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") |
| 09:05:46 | joemoma | aww... people start talking when I leave |
| 09:05:58 | webguest89 | would someone explain to me why there are so many builds a day? |
| 09:06:08 | joemoma | why not? |
| 09:06:12 | Llorean | webguest89: Because there are builds every time there's a commit that changes what would be built? |
| 09:06:16 | joemoma | the more the marrier |
| 09:06:23 | GodEater | oooh, lesser spotted trolls |
| 09:06:44 | joemoma | where's the troll? |
| 09:06:52 | Llorean | webguest89: The distributed build system is an easy way to verify that a change hasn't broken some target, and as well ensures that users have access to fully up to date binaries. |
| 09:07:11 | Llorean | Hasn't broken some target's ability to build, at least. |
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| 09:07:26 | joemoma | shit man... what are you guys talking about? |
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| 09:08:24 | webguest89 | why do we need so many builds though |
| 09:08:33 | webguest89 | and how come there are so few releases? |
| 09:08:45 | webguest89 | id realease something when something major changes |
| 09:08:56 | | Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 09:09:01 | Llorean | Yes, and then people would ask why your "release" versions are so buggy each time. |
| 09:09:06 | homielowe | webguest89: please read the guidelines http://91.191.140.131/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcGuidelines |
| 09:09:13 | Llorean | People tend to expect a certain level of quality from a "release" version. |
| 09:09:25 | joemoma | i'll read it |
| 09:09:55 | webguest89 | i dont like reading |
| 09:09:56 | joemoma | lame rules |
| 09:10:01 | webguest89 | it tends to be boring |
| 09:10:08 | Noah0504 | Hello, all. |
| 09:10:16 | GodEater | amazing - how do you interpret irc without reading |
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| 09:10:41 | joemoma | with brail |
| 09:10:48 | joemoma | internet brail |
| 09:10:49 | webguest89 | i followed all your bloody guidlines |
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| 09:11:33 | Llorean | webguest89: Not when you were going under the name "erm" |
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| 09:11:42 | webguest89 | im unsure why you told me to read that piece of newspaper |
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| 09:11:44 | Osama | You READ braille |
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| 09:11:49 | joemoma | so... |
| 09:11:53 | joemoma | I don't see it |
| 09:11:56 | Osama | So it's still reading |
| 09:12:01 | joemoma | so... you feel it |
| 09:12:03 | joemoma | you don't read it |
| 09:12:11 | webguest89 | do you read a woman? |
| 09:12:19 | joemoma | no... you don't |
| 09:12:24 | webguest89 | no you feel it |
| 09:12:26 | Osama | You read by sight, and you read by touch |
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| 09:12:26 | NSplit | brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
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| 09:12:35 | webguest89 | then you tell it to get back in the kitchen |
| 09:12:36 | Osama | It's still reading |
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| 09:12:42 | joemoma | who's to say that you read by sight at all |
| 09:12:58 | Osama | I am |
| 09:12:59 | NHeal | brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
| 09:12:59 | NJoin | LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) |
| 09:12:59 | NJoin | Hadaka [0] (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) |
| 09:13:02 | Llorean | Osama: Please don't feed the trolls. Answer questions that have to do with Rockbox, ignore anything irrelevant.. by actually humoring 'em you get our logs more spammed. |
| 09:13:07 | * | petur sends webguest89 back hunting |
| 09:13:18 | Osama | I apologize |
| 09:13:21 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 09:13:39 | joemoma | awww... I wanna pet the troll |
| 09:13:45 | webguest89 | omg the logs |
| 09:13:46 | joemoma | ok... here's a valid question |
| 09:13:49 | webguest89 | i say burn them |
| 09:14:02 | joemoma | an troll... is an irc spammer? |
| 09:14:17 | webguest89 | sounds more like a harry potter character |
| 09:14:20 | | Quit Osama ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]") |
| 09:14:23 | joemoma | hehe |
| 09:14:34 | webguest89 | oooh whyd he quit? |
| 09:14:45 | joemoma | he doesn't like out trolling |
| 09:14:49 | webguest89 | he just wasnt feeling it |
| 09:14:50 | joemoma | our* |
| 09:14:52 | petur | webguest89: stop it |
| 09:14:58 | webguest89 | stop what/ |
| 09:15:02 | joemoma | ? |
| 09:15:15 | webguest89 | <petur> webguest89: stop it |
| 09:15:17 | joemoma | why don't you yell at me? why is he the center of attention?\ |
| 09:15:29 | webguest89 | i was here first |
| 09:15:36 | joemoma | i'm not trollish enough? |
| 09:15:38 | webguest89 | troll number 1 |
| 09:15:50 | joemoma | I have a better name |
| 09:15:56 | petur | amiconn? |
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| 09:16:04 | no | you dont |
| 09:16:11 | joemoma | amiconn... yeah |
| 09:16:16 | joemoma | whatever that is |
| 09:16:22 | no | its a guys name |
| 09:16:23 | joemoma | YEAH amiconn |
| 09:16:31 | joemoma | oh.. lol it is |
| 09:16:44 | no | i think its a disease |
| 09:16:48 | no | too |
| 09:16:51 | joemoma | that's a badass name |
| 09:16:57 | no | its not |
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| 09:17:06 | amicon | w00t |
| 09:17:15 | no | 1337 sir |
| 09:17:21 | amicon | I steal your name and slightly change it |
| 09:18:13 | no | you didnt |
| 09:18:15 | amiconn | Please behave. This channel is for discussion about and around rockbox |
| 09:18:42 | no | i dont believe you |
| 09:18:46 | no | provit |
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| 09:19:28 | amicon | ][ \/\/][11 7|2`/ 70 5|>33|< ][|\| 1337 5|>33|< |
| 09:19:29 | no | what does that mean? ^^^^ |
| 09:19:44 | Zagor | no: you don't really think you're anonymous just because you're on a http gateway, do you? |
| 09:19:47 | Mode | "#rockbox +o amiconn " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 09:19:53 | amicon | I don't know |
| 09:19:54 | amicon | why |
| 09:20:00 | no | no i dont think im anonymous |
| 09:20:07 | no | but i could care less if you know who i am |
| 09:20:13 | amicon | I don't even know my own IP... |
| 09:20:21 | no | let alone mine |
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| 09:20:46 | amicon | what's all this about a gateway? |
| 09:21:10 | no | hi daniel |
| 09:21:12 | amicon | yet again... this guy gets all the attention |
| 09:21:18 | amicon | you guys ignor me |
| 09:21:29 | no | i dont |
| 09:21:36 | amicon | I love you no |
| 09:21:43 | no | you dont |
| 09:21:47 | daniel1234 | Hi, just a quick question how do I get revision 12067 of the source and download it |
| 09:21:48 | * | no you dont |
| 09:21:51 | amicon | I can pretend |
| 09:21:53 | daniel1234 | Hi, just a quick question how do I get revision 12067 of the source and download it |
| 09:22:03 | amicon | wait shhh.. he has a question |
| 09:22:08 | GodEater | daniel1234: why that particular revision ? |
| 09:22:08 | Llorean | daniel1234: You'll have to use SVN to check it out. Any specific reason you want an old revision? |
| 09:22:09 | amicon | everybody be quiet |
| 09:22:31 | * | no i dont want to be quiet |
| 09:22:51 | Llorean | daniel1234: Also, please don't repeat questions without waiting a reasonable time for a response. |
| 09:23:00 | no | yeah its rude |
| 09:23:10 | amicon | I hate it when people do that |
| 09:23:29 | * | no repeating things to quickly |
| 09:23:30 | * | no repeating things to quickly |
| 09:23:33 | daniel1234 | I want because the guy who made the patch fs6323 said it should work with 12067 but it doesn't work with the latest. Can you tell me the command |
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| 09:24:00 | amicon | ctrl + w |
| 09:24:04 | amicon | it'll fix it |
| 09:24:14 | GodEater | daniel1234: you need to pass the "-r" switch to svn with 12067 as the argument |
| 09:24:26 | GodEater | daniel1234: when you do your checkout command |
| 09:24:44 | amicon | never mind all that... just press ctrl + w |
| 09:25:39 | amicon | awww... that name... godeater |
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| 09:26:49 | no | hi web gues 73 |
| 09:26:56 | amicon | so... what exactly is rockbox? |
| 09:27:01 | * | no loves web guest 73 |
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| 09:27:28 | webguest73 | hai, I deleted some music from my gigabeat, and did a database update, but the music i deleted is still showing up. can fix? |
| 09:27:30 | daniel1234 | svn checkout svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk -12067 rockbox |
| 09:27:32 | * | no_one loves amicon |
| 09:27:44 | amicon | fuck man I know |
| 09:27:50 | amicon | oh shit |
| 09:27:54 | amicon | I said fuck |
| 09:27:56 | daniel1234 | So like " svn checkout svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk -12067 rockbox |
| 09:27:57 | daniel1234 | " |
| 09:28:00 | no_one | webguest73 |
| 09:28:08 | no_one | turn off ur gigabeat |
| 09:28:12 | no_one | and turn it back on |
| 09:28:19 | webguest73 | yeah, did that too |
| 09:28:24 | no_one | let it buld the database again |
| 09:28:24 | webguest73 | still there |
| 09:28:32 | amicon | oh this is about the gigabeat? |
| 09:28:33 | no_one | or rebuild |
| 09:28:37 | webguest73 | also tried the initialize now command, no avail |
| 09:28:39 | amicon | nice little device |
| 09:28:43 | Llorean | webguest73: Most times this just means you didn't empty the recycle bin. |
| 09:29:00 | amicon | there's a recycle bin for the gigabeat? |
| 09:29:07 | webguest73 | original firmware is terrible though, and sound quality could also be better |
| 09:29:11 | no_one | yeah its next to the stove |
| 09:29:18 | Llorean | Try running the disktidy plugin, then re-initializing. |
| 09:29:24 | amicon | and a stove... I want one now |
| 09:29:34 | webguest73 | k, will try that now thx |
| 09:29:37 | amicon | shit i'm selling my zune and getting a gigabeat |
| 09:29:56 | webguest73 | other than the above two, i got no beef with it |
| 09:29:59 | no_one | ahahaa |
| 09:30:23 | webguest73 | the touch pad is totally groovy |
| 09:30:36 | amicon | and a touch pad?... I want one now |
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| 09:31:48 | Zagor | if all else fails, use kill(1) |
| 09:32:04 | GodEater | +kb not going to work ? |
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| 09:32:36 | webguest73 | doing disk tidy... its at 1050 items and counting, that normal? wtfhax |
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| 09:33:06 | Llorean | webguest73: Sounds like you had a quite full recycle bin? |
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| 09:33:20 | Zagor | GodEater: I don't know, will it? |
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| 09:33:34 | webguest25 | can't you ban my IP? |
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| 09:33:58 | webguest25 | guess not |
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| 09:34:09 | B4gder | yes we can |
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| 09:35:11 | webguest25 | asdf |
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| 09:35:30 | GodEater | the internet has such a wonderfully varied population |
| 09:35:40 | webguest73 | my problem is fixed. thank you to the people of rockbox irc. |
| 09:35:41 | Zagor | B4gder: ah ok, that works |
| 09:35:56 | B4gder | yes it is friendly enough to use the source ip as host mask |
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| 09:43:24 | LinusN | RhinoBanga: back |
| 09:43:38 | RhinoBanga | cool ... I just literally got into the office myself |
| 09:43:45 | RhinoBanga | so the -1 is correct |
| 09:44:10 | LinusN | yes, since the code adds a null byte at the end of the tag |
| 09:44:41 | RhinoBanga | that's what I thought ... however with the -1 in place I get truncated tags as can be seen with the MP3 I sent u |
| 09:45:19 | LinusN | yes, since the TPE1 tag barely fits in the buffer |
| 09:45:33 | LinusN | except for 1 byte |
| 09:45:51 | RhinoBanga | for that file correct, but others get different tags truncated obviously |
| 09:46:09 | LinusN | yes |
| 09:46:27 | RhinoBanga | maybe the short term solution is to increase the local buffer |
| 09:46:32 | LinusN | that's because the COMM tag is so long |
| 09:46:44 | RhinoBanga | I like tagging my files correctly :D |
| 09:46:49 | LinusN | 234 bytes |
| 09:47:16 | LinusN | you could "solve" it either by increasing the buffer size, or place the tags in a priority order |
| 09:47:46 | LinusN | the COMM frame could very well be placed last in the tag |
| 09:48:14 | RhinoBanga | I've got 20,000 tracks ... not going to do that :D |
| 09:48:23 | RhinoBanga | is the buffer malloc'd? if so add an advanced option to specify the size? |
| 09:48:26 | LinusN | hehe, i see :-) |
| 09:48:34 | LinusN | it is static |
| 09:48:43 | RhinoBanga | :( |
| 09:49:12 | LinusN | this problem will be solved in the future |
| 09:49:37 | LinusN | but for the moment, you will have to recompile with a larger buffer size |
| 09:49:37 | RhinoBanga | cool ... any ideas when? atm my tagnav database looks very odd |
| 09:50:04 | RhinoBanga | np ... I use EvilG's build so I'll just go ahead and patch that for now |
| 09:50:49 | LinusN | it will be solved with the much-talked-about "Metadata In Buffer" approach |
| 09:51:11 | scorche | awwwww..i missed the fun |
| 09:51:17 | LinusN | but that may take some time |
| 09:51:20 | RhinoBanga | what's that? caching the tags in memory? |
| 09:51:31 | petur | scorche: and we missed you ;) |
| 09:51:52 | scorche | they didnt know how to ban the webclient IP? |
| 09:51:55 | LinusN | it means that the tag info will be stored in the music buffer instead of a static 300 byte buffer |
| 09:52:06 | RhinoBanga | k |
| 09:52:23 | RhinoBanga | off the top of your head and to save me hunting thru the code is there a #define I can just modify? |
| 09:52:36 | LinusN | also allowing embedded album art |
| 09:52:42 | RhinoBanga | Woohooo! |
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| 09:52:54 | GodEater | scorche: apparently not until B4gder woke up :) |
| 09:53:16 | scorche | perhaps i should have a tutorial made to show all those who have op powers in here =) |
| 09:53:16 | Llorean | LinusN: Are we planning to support embedded album art? Isn't that nearly universally jpeg? |
| 09:53:26 | GodEater | scorche: I assumed they did, so didn't say anything - don't like teaching people to suck eggs |
| 09:53:46 | LinusN | Llorean: i should have said "possibly allowing" |
| 09:53:46 | RhinoBanga | I would say so, although I do have some gif's |
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| 09:53:56 | Llorean | LinusN: Ah, okay. |
| 09:54:13 | LinusN | RhinoBanga: firmware/export/id3.h, char id3v2buf[300]; |
| 09:54:13 | Llorean | Just thought I may have missed a decision, I was pretty sure some minds were very against jpeg decoding in the core. ;) |
| 09:54:24 | Zagor | scorche: I didn't |
| 09:54:30 | RhinoBanga | ta m8y ... I'll make the change in a mo and rebuild my db |
| 09:54:50 | LinusN | have fun |
| 09:54:51 | scorche | Zagor: when i get a chance, i will write a wiki page then... |
| 09:54:54 | RhinoBanga | then I'm going to tackle my 00-2 year issue in the tagnav db |
| 09:55:06 | Zagor | scorche: that would be nice |
| 09:55:15 | LinusN | Llorean: actually, i am not that much against it |
| 09:55:43 | LinusN | i am not that worried about the binary size of the swcodec core |
| 09:56:03 | Zagor | but be need album art on the archos! |
| 09:56:05 | Llorean | And it'd be a feature defined for color LCDs then? |
| 09:56:09 | LinusN | Zagor: hahaha |
| 09:56:17 | Llorean | Since we don't have grayscale lib in the core either. |
| 09:56:19 | GodEater | Zagor: best start porting aalib then :) |
| 09:56:23 | Zagor | :-) |
| 09:56:42 | LinusN | Llorean: exactly |
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| 09:59:06 | Llorean | LinusN: Not bad then. Though I do worry that once jpeg decoding is in the core, people will ask why it can't be used for WPS. Then if it's enabled, why not PNG or GIF, etc, etc. |
| 09:59:43 | RhinoBanga | why not have the decoding as plugins? |
| 10:00 |
| 10:00:02 | petur | maybe we need a gfx decoder system like the codecs? swap in the one we need? |
| 10:00:09 | Llorean | RhinoBanga: I was heading toward something like that, but my brain hasn't gotten to the "a way to do it I think might be good" point yet. |
| 10:00:11 | JdGordon | oh dear |
| 10:00:13 | LinusN | petur: that's one option |
| 10:00:13 | GodEater | that's a good idea petur |
| 10:00:23 | Llorean | Is there any way codecs can actually have a return value? |
| 10:00:27 | Llorean | Errr, plugins |
| 10:00:40 | JdGordon | PLUGIN_ERR or PLUGIN_OK |
| 10:00:40 | LinusN | yes |
| 10:01:16 | Llorean | Beyond that, for example, some way to notify the jpeg viewer when called to return a pointer to a jpeg decoded to an array fb_data? |
| 10:01:27 | Llorean | Instead of launching as an actual plugin. |
| 10:02:03 | GodEater | that would still have to be a static sized buffer right ? |
| 10:02:33 | LinusN | i think we might want to separate plugins from overlays |
| 10:02:42 | GodEater | in which case, why not just have a "plugin scratchpad" where any plugin can write a bunch of data that the core might find useful |
| 10:02:47 | GodEater | and keep it at a known address ? |
| 10:02:51 | JdGordon | I guess it would decode the jpeg in place in the MoB area? |
| 10:02:58 | LinusN | yes |
| 10:03:30 | petur | but the jpeg will be much smaller than the resulting graphic |
| 10:03:31 | LinusN | is the jpeg codec really that much code? |
| 10:03:36 | Llorean | But yeah, "image codecs" or some other similar-in-concept system would suitably keep it out of the core, and allow for a lot of flexibility. |
| 10:04:07 | Llorean | petur: Since the resulting graphic is a bitmap, I imagine you could just get the jpeg size from the header and reserve enough space easily? |
| 10:04:20 | JdGordon | Llorean beat me to it :p |
| 10:04:41 | * | JdGordon fears buffering is going to be a very slow process when MoB happens |
| 10:04:51 | petur | ah right, I thought you wanted to put the gfx where the jpg was in memory |
| 10:05:07 | Llorean | LinusN: Only 27k it looks like. Not really very big, no. |
| 10:05:33 | Llorean | I'm not complaining about the size of JPEG, I just think we should expect people to want more image formats available if we do enable it in the core. |
| 10:05:50 | Llorean | Well, 27k for the rock, so clearly less for the decoder itself |
| 10:05:51 | petur | is that just decoding or also the zoom/pan stuff as well |
| 10:06:13 | * | petur sees question answered before he posts it |
| 10:06:23 | Llorean | And it's an ARM rock too, so essentially worst-case for code size. ;) |
| 10:06:26 | Llorean | Err binary size |
| 10:06:33 | JdGordon | it would need the full decoing and zooming functionality any way |
| 10:06:52 | Llorean | The zooming functionality in the jpeg viewer is essentially useless for album art. |
| 10:07:03 | Llorean | We'd want to use the bmpresize code on it. |
| 10:07:29 | petur | unless we can decode to the correct size in one go? |
| 10:07:58 | RhinoBanga | You are going to have to decode to the correct size |
| 10:08:06 | Llorean | petur: That's still technically resizing it, isn't it? |
| 10:08:16 | RhinoBanga | going from jpg to bmp then shrinking will eat up loads of memory |
| 10:08:23 | LinusN | my thinking is this: the framework and complexity to handle loadable gfx codecs is not worth it imho |
| 10:08:29 | RhinoBanga | I have jpg's of 5MB |
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| 10:08:40 | petur | as album art? |
| 10:08:43 | RhinoBanga | yup |
| 10:08:49 | RhinoBanga | high quality scans |
| 10:08:49 | * | petur falls of chair |
| 10:08:51 | JdGordon | LinusN: your saying put it in the core? |
| 10:09:06 | LinusN | JdGordon: that's my opinion |
| 10:09:25 | Zagor | I would agree. at least for a start. |
| 10:09:49 | Llorean | LinusN: And what would be the response to the request for jpeg-in-WPS, and then png-in-WPS etc? |
| 10:10:23 | LinusN | the response would be "convert your images to bmp" |
| 10:10:26 | GodEater | Llorean: tough luck :) |
| 10:10:32 | RhinoBanga | your going to have to support it ... album art is probably the #1 request |
| 10:10:52 | Llorean | RhinoBanga: There's no "have to" about it. |
| 10:10:56 | JdGordon | is jpg and bmp the only AA formats anyone actually uses? |
| 10:11:03 | Llorean | But album art is going to be supported. |
| 10:11:04 | LinusN | Llorean: the thing is, JPG album art is a de facto standard |
| 10:11:06 | * | GodEater doesn't use AA at all! |
| 10:11:12 | pixelma | Llorean: but the jpeg viewer only zooms in steps of 2x, 4x, 8x and so on IIRC - for an album art resize you'll probably need more flexibility... |
| 10:11:17 | Soap | there is many requests for a GBA emmulator - doesn't mean anyone is going to have to do anything. |
| 10:11:18 | Llorean | LinusN: As I said, I'm not against jpeg album art, or even jpeg in the core. |
| 10:11:19 | Zagor | JdGordon: it would be silly to store AA in png or gif |
| 10:11:35 | Llorean | LinusN: But I don't expect it to stay the standard, honestly. |
| 10:11:52 | RhinoBanga | an alternative idea I've used in the past is when building music databases is to build the album art at that point at a fixed/smaller size |
| 10:11:57 | JdGordon | ok cool, so limit AA to only them, and bmps on the wps and nothing else |
| 10:12:00 | Llorean | pixelma: As I said, the inbuilt zoom won't work, we'd need the bmpresize code or equivalent. :) |
| 10:12:30 | Llorean | RhinoBanga: The existing album art patch essentially does that, requiring 100x100 .bmp files |
| 10:12:32 | LinusN | we wouldn't have any problem with embedded BMP AA either |
| 10:12:47 | Soap | which is much more reasonable, RhinoBanga, than expecting an embedded player to handle your 5MB archival scans. |
| 10:12:58 | petur | what? BMP antialiassing? :p |
| 10:13:07 | LinusN | petur: :-P |
| 10:13:13 | RhinoBanga | it would only have to handle it once, when creating the db |
| 10:13:36 | RhinoBanga | from then on it requests the artwork form the db (probably stored as 128x128) then resize that |
| 10:13:45 | Llorean | LinusN: Alright. Well, that works for me, essentially "non-BMP files in the WPS and non-jpeg/bmp album art is a NODO" as a statement of policy unless the situation drastically changes? |
| 10:13:54 | JdGordon | thats the other thing, how long untill someone request tagcace to store all the AA's on the dap? |
| 10:14:03 | Soap | two lines up |
| 10:14:08 | JdGordon | might actually work well.... stored them in bmp format |
| 10:14:26 | Llorean | Is the tagchache building actually handled in the Rockbox core? |
| 10:14:34 | LinusN | Llorean: i wouldn't go as far as having a policy against other formats in the album art |
| 10:14:34 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 10:14:34 | Soap | is there a size limit to tag-embedded art? |
| 10:15:02 | RhinoBanga | don't think so |
| 10:15:07 | LinusN | but i don't see a reason to allow other formats in the WPS |
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| 10:15:28 | Llorean | LinusN: If the decoders are already in the core, though, why not? |
| 10:16:11 | Llorean | Honestly, I'd rather have the option to use jpeg files in other places if I'm never going to use album art but the decoder's in the core. |
| 10:16:43 | JdGordon | may as well allow them, at least for the background images |
| 10:17:02 | JdGordon | I wouldnt tihnk jpg is a good format for fiddling with the small icons the wps needs |
| 10:17:03 | LinusN | Llorean: sure, why not? the decoding will take some extra cpu |
| 10:17:48 | LinusN | i think a lossless format is essential for the WPS, since the transparency requires exact reproduction of the 255,0,255 color |
| 10:17:49 | Llorean | LinusN: Yeah, but the decode is on load, right? So a longer load time at boot, and a crappier looking WPS, but for those people with 50 WPSes on a flash player, maybe room for an extra song or three |
| 10:18:23 | Llorean | Ah, didn't think of 255,0,255 |
| 10:19:56 | Llorean | I just don't see preparing .bmp album art as being that hefty of an additional step. I mean, we could just provide a preprocessor. |
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| 10:20:16 | RhinoBanga | it's very quick |
| 10:21:02 | RhinoBanga | fyi I wrote this ... http://www.jdnet.co.uk/AlbumView/av3_1.jpg |
| 10:21:22 | RhinoBanga | which obviously did loads of image decoding |
| 10:21:30 | * | Llorean had even recommended that feature as part of RBUtil at one point. |
| 10:21:42 | Llorean | To parallel offline database generation. |
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| 10:23:05 | Llorean | Anyway, I've said my piece on this. I thought I didn't feel strongly enough to argue, and yet I seem to have done so more than I've liked. ;) |
| 10:23:24 | GodEater | stick to your principles Llorean ;) |
| 10:23:51 | Llorean | GodEater: Well in this case I'm really just being selfish, I think. |
| 10:24:01 | Mode | "#rockbox +o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 10:24:06 | Topic | "Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcGuidelines | DevConWest highlights and images: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevConWest2007 Summary is on the wiki" by scorche (n=_@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
| 10:24:14 | Mode | "#rockbox -o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 10:24:26 | scorche | consider this your warning...it is a hefty read =P |
| 10:24:46 | * | GodEater settles in with his pomegranate juice... |
| 10:25:23 | LinusN | my opinion is that it should be easy to maintain the music on the player |
| 10:26:17 | markun | rockbox 'fried a Gigabeat' http://www.mygigabeat.com/forum/messages.cfm?threadid=40EE5C0D-3048-2906-EA67FAFCB7412854 |
| 10:26:19 | LinusN | i mean, we talk a lot about rockbox not requiring a separate pc application to load the music |
| 10:26:34 | Llorean | Embedded jpeg is certainly the easiest way from a user perspective in most cases. |
| 10:26:47 | Llorean | But you can't have embedded album art without some sort of tagging program anyway. |
| 10:27:00 | RhinoBanga | what about those people who use foldr.jpg? |
| 10:27:08 | RhinoBanga | or even folder.jpg :D |
| 10:27:17 | Llorean | The current .bmp method allows images by album, by folder, and by individual song, and even allows album art for non-AA formats like SPC and NSF where one might wish to use the box art of the game. |
| 10:27:30 | LinusN | RhinoBanga: if that is a common "standard", i don't see why rockbox couldn't support it |
| 10:27:55 | LinusN | Llorean: i think the systems could work in parallel |
| 10:28:00 | Llorean | Also, I'd like to point out that we have many, many, many users of the current method who haven't seen problem with it enough to inspire an embedded solution to the problem (or patch) |
| 10:28:03 | Llorean | ;) |
| 10:28:05 | LinusN | just with an AA search path |
| 10:28:50 | Llorean | It'd definitely be nice to have album art "just work" for users, of course. |
| 10:29:04 | Soap | Impressive brain dump scorche / LL |
| 10:29:08 | LinusN | i think as many thing as possible should "just work" |
| 10:30:36 | Llorean | It just makes me itch adding a jpeg decoder as a component of a feature I'll probably never use. We can write it off as me becoming a grumpy old man well before my time, say "If someone codes it well, it should go in" and move on with things. :) |
| 10:30:55 | LinusN | we make things a lot easier for ourselves if we make things work without extra inconvenience |
| 10:31:03 | Llorean | True |
| 10:31:04 | LinusN | less support |
| 10:31:53 | LinusN | and rockbox becomes even cooler |
| 10:32:07 | Llorean | Always a very strong point. |
| 10:32:57 | Soap | that's like liquid helium becoming cooler. |
| 10:33:11 | LinusN | :-) |
| 10:33:39 | Llorean | Soap: If it's liquid that means there's still plenty cooler we can get. |
| 10:33:49 | LinusN | lol |
| 10:34:09 | Soap | aye, but at that point you're splitting hairs. |
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| 10:41:48 | Llorean | Anyone know where the code is that draws /root when you're in the root of the filetree, etc? Just in case anyone knows off the top of their head. |
| 10:43:06 | Llorean | Nevermind, I think I found it. |
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| 10:44:15 | Llorean | Zagor or Bagder: viewvc is giving me exceptions. |
| 10:44:39 | Zagor | always, or a specific url? |
| 10:44:55 | Llorean | Any time I try to view a diff, at least three files caused it. |
| 10:45:05 | Zagor | this too? http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/plugins/viewers.config?r1=10258&r2=10479&pathrev=13672 |
| 10:45:24 | Llorean | No, that worked |
| 10:45:25 | Llorean | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/tree.c?r1=13655&r2=13656 doesn't |
| 10:45:38 | Zagor | weird. works for me. |
| 10:46:22 | LinusN | works for me too |
| 10:47:03 | Llorean | Zagor: http://pastebin.ca/575951 |
| 10:47:45 | Zagor | wow, that old /dev/null thing. |
| 10:48:10 | pondlife | Has there been any discusion regarding album art and BMP vs JPG... I'd prefer non-embedded/folder JPEGs... |
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| 10:48:40 | Zagor | pondlife: I'd prefer both :-) |
| 10:49:04 | pondlife | So there's no aversion to JPGs? |
| 10:49:08 | Zagor | Llorean: which browser/os are you on? |
| 10:49:25 | LinusN | i got it now, this time i went to tree.c in the svn browser and diffed from there |
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| 10:49:39 | Zagor | pondlife: no. there was just a lengthy discussion on this. see the log. |
| 10:49:53 | pondlife | Ah, I thought I might have just missed it. Thanks |
| 10:49:55 | LinusN | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/tree.c?r1=13656&r2=13659 fails for me |
| 10:50:02 | amiconn | 'embedded album art' is a contradiction in itself |
| 10:50:03 | Llorean | Zagor: Firefox 2.0.0.4 on Ubuntu 7.04 |
| 10:50:11 | pondlife | amiconn: lol |
| 10:50:17 | amiconn | It should be called track art, that would be correct |
| 10:50:35 | pondlife | file art? cuesheets?? |
| 10:50:35 | B4gder | amiconn: id3 actually added a "LINK" tag |
| 10:50:42 | B4gder | for what seems to be for that reason |
| 10:51:52 | petur | Firefox 2.0.0.4 on W2K does the same |
| 10:52:17 | LinusN | in my opinion, we can't dictate what is the "correct" way of doing AA |
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| 10:52:57 | Zagor | it seems to be triggered by firefox 2.0.0.4. I get it too now. |
| 10:52:59 | LinusN | if the art is in the tag, then rockbox should get it from there |
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| 10:53:38 | amiconn | As for jpeg decoding in the core, I'm not so much concerned about binary size, as it would be a greyscale/colour target feature, but I am concerned about complexity |
| 10:53:39 | LinusN | like all other media players |
| 10:54:07 | amiconn | All low-mem targets are b&w, both hwcodec and the iFP |
| 10:54:13 | B4gder | I agree that rockbox should get it from the tags if it is there |
| 10:54:25 | LinusN | amiconn: do you think jpeg decoding would be that complex? |
| 10:54:38 | B4gder | and if adding jpeg decoding to the core is the way, then sure |
| 10:54:40 | amiconn | Not jpeg decoding itself, but all the handling around it |
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| 10:55:12 | amiconn | If we require a certain format (bmp), then we can impose a rather strict resolution limit as well |
| 10:55:14 | LinusN | but would it be that much more complex than bmp? |
| 10:55:22 | LinusN | jaczehack: salaam |
| 10:55:29 | jaczehack | Salaam |
| 10:55:47 | amiconn | But with embedded jpeg, we need both downscaling on load *and* resizing by a non-integer factor |
| 10:56:22 | amiconn | The jpeg viewer is free to use the whole ram, jpeg display in wps can't as you would obviously not want it to stop playback |
| 10:56:32 | JdGordon | we downscale to whatever is the largest size which can be easily downsized to, and pad the rest with black |
| 10:57:08 | LinusN | amiconn: i think most album art is of a reasonable size |
| 10:57:36 | LinusN | and if it isn't, we could skip it |
| 10:57:51 | amiconn | LinusN: That may be true for embedded art, but not for separate files |
| 10:58:02 | LinusN | same thing |
| 10:58:24 | LinusN | if the user has huge album art, he/she has a problem |
| 10:58:56 | RhinoBanga | why? I use hi res scans for displaying on my 42" plasma |
| 10:58:58 | LinusN | you can't expect an embedded player to do wonders |
| 10:59:05 | amiconn | I keep a cover.jpg in several folders which often is 2Mpixel or larger |
| 10:59:40 | amiconn | Those can be handled by the jpeg viewer by downscaling to 1/8 |
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| 11:00:17 | LinusN | if we can support huge images without a major penalty, i think we should |
| 11:00:23 | obo | could a flyspray admin link FS #7326 to FS #7261, and close 7326? It's a duplicate... |
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| 11:01:01 | amiconn | LinusN: It definitely requires MoB to support such things |
| 11:01:07 | LinusN | of course |
| 11:01:30 | LinusN | that's how this discussion started |
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| 11:04:06 | amiconn | Imo a 'natural' limit would be display resolution *8 for jpeg, so that it can be decoded into a framebuffer-sized buffer |
| 11:04:36 | amiconn | The rest needs to be handled by variable resizing |
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| 11:07:08 | scorche | Zagor, amiconn, other ops: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcAdministration |
| 11:07:25 | scorche | eek...i need to use verbatim on a few of those..hold a sec |
| 11:08:42 | amiconn | scorche: For cgiirc users, I'd rather use *!12345678@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se* |
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| 11:09:26 | B4gder | assuming you add i= in there too |
| 11:09:38 | scorche | well, it is just their IP in hex... |
| 11:09:54 | scorche | and i= is not necessary |
| 11:09:59 | B4gder | no? |
| 11:10:18 | B4gder | well, I must admit I find the dancer ircd (?) weird |
| 11:10:28 | markun | B4gder: did you already know that viewvc.py doesn't work? |
| 11:10:32 | scorche | well, let me test... |
| 11:10:47 | B4gder | markun: zagor has been poked about it |
| 11:10:54 | markun | ok |
| 11:11:00 | Zagor | markun: it works, just not in firefox 2.0.0.4 ;-) |
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| 11:11:07 | markun | weird |
| 11:11:10 | Mode | "#rockbox +o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 11:11:11 | Zagor | very |
| 11:11:28 | Mode | "#rockbox +b %*!d8f13362@* " by scorche (n=_@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
| 11:11:34 | mute_me | sd |
| 11:11:42 | Mode | "#rockbox -b %*!d8f13362@* " by scorche (n=_@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
| 11:11:52 | B4gder | eh, that patteren had a weird first letter |
| 11:11:57 | Mode | "#rockbox -o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 11:12:10 | scorche | it is just hex... |
| 11:12:11 | | Quit mute_me (Client Quit) |
| 11:12:15 | B4gder | ? |
| 11:12:15 | obo | thanks Nico_P :) |
| 11:12:22 | B4gder | "%" is hex? |
| 11:12:34 | scorche | oh...read the wiki page =P |
| 11:12:45 | B4gder | ? |
| 11:12:47 | Nico_P | obo: you're welcome :p) |
| 11:12:55 | B4gder | scorche: check your pattern from a few lines up |
| 11:12:58 | scorche | i explain that in there |
| 11:12:58 | B4gder | it was plain wrong |
| 11:13:05 | B4gder | I explain you here |
| 11:13:08 | scorche | no it wasnt |
| 11:13:17 | B4gder | so what is that first letter? |
| 11:13:23 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 11:13:24 | B4gder | before the asterisk |
| 11:13:33 | B4gder | its not in the wiki |
| 11:13:35 | scorche | /mode #rockbox +q *!*@* |
| 11:13:36 | scorche | This is the suggested first course of action for problem users. This is essentially a mute. To best take advantage of this, fill in the last asterisk (the hostname.domain or IP address section) with the appropriate information. It is the same as setting the mode +b %*!*@*, and will actually show up this way. What differentiates this from a ban is the percent sign before the hostmask. This is best u |
| 11:13:36 | scorche | sed for a period of time in which the problem user can either cool off, or leave. |
| 11:13:56 | B4gder | geeee |
| 11:14:18 | petur | we're not that nice, just kick 'm |
| 11:14:28 | scorche | so yes, as i thought, you dont need the i= or n= as well |
| 11:15:01 | B4gder | but you weren't muted? |
| 11:15:07 | scorche | mute_me was |
| 11:15:12 | B4gder | ? |
| 11:15:22 | B4gder | not here |
| 11:15:25 | petur | didn't look like it |
| 11:15:25 | B4gder | −−- scorche sätter bannlysning på %*!d8f13362@* |
| 11:15:25 | B4gder | <mute_me> sd |
| 11:15:32 | B4gder | sorry for the swedish |
| 11:15:40 | scorche | oh...i missed that |
| 11:15:58 | * | scorche thwaps his head |
| 11:16:26 | scorche | i could swear i have done it without the i= or n=... |
| 11:16:31 | B4gder | and really, I think kickban is the only thing we need to teach |
| 11:16:45 | B4gder | as we do all the polite stuff first |
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| 11:17:25 | Llorean | On an entirely unrelated note: When browsing the filetree, should the "Title" of the list be the same color as folders, or the UI color? |
| 11:17:44 | JdGordon | ui colour |
| 11:17:56 | scorche | well, if you think so...i will likely still use +q though...i quite like it |
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| 11:18:06 | B4gder | scorche: the first sentense on the ircadmin page lacks two asterisks |
| 11:18:35 | LinusN | you need <nop> |
| 11:18:57 | scorche | oh...i hadnt saved my changes |
| 11:19:23 | LinusN | better |
| 11:20:07 | * | scorche blames the beer |
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| 11:31:28 | Nico_P | who has op rights on this channel ? |
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| 11:32:17 | LinusN | i do |
| 11:32:40 | LinusN | or did you want a complete list? |
| 11:32:59 | petur | don't shake them all awake ;) |
| 11:33:06 | scorche | Nico_P: /cs access #rockbox list |
| 11:33:16 | amiconn | markun: viewvc works here... in firefox 2.0.0.4 |
| 11:33:35 | Nico_P | scorche: thanks :) |
| 11:34:05 | Llorean | /cs access #rockbox list |
| 11:34:13 | Llorean | Hm, wonderful |
| 11:34:24 | LinusN | amiconn: even this: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/tree.c?r1=13656&r2=13659 |
| 11:35:09 | pixelma | not here (on ff 2.0.0.4 too ) |
| 11:35:37 | petur | what's 'Level'? |
| 11:35:51 | scorche | petur: basically dictates what they can do |
| 11:36:24 | scorche | see /cs level #rockbox list for what we have that set to |
| 11:36:43 | amiconn | LinusN: This particular example causes a python traceback. Other diff from the frontpage work though, but not all of them |
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| 11:37:18 | LinusN | amiconn: exactly the same symptoms as the rest of us then |
| 11:37:24 | amiconn | ok |
| 11:38:34 | bluebrother | Bagder: the html manuals seem to be broken |
| 11:39:12 | amiconn | These /cs levels are interesting... am I right in thinking that a level >= 10 would allow changing the topic without opping first? |
| 11:40:14 | bluebrother | at least they haven't been updated for a couple of days, while the pdf versions seem to be up-to-date. |
| 11:40:58 | scorche | amiconn: i dont believe so, as it will tell you that you need to be an op to do that |
| 11:41:25 | scorche | (from the mode +t) |
| 11:41:49 | amiconn | scorche: Yes, as you only have level 9 (same as me) |
| 11:42:14 | scorche | i am referring to >10 as well |
| 11:42:27 | scorche | but, there is one way to trst... |
| 11:42:31 | scorche | test |
| 11:44:49 | scorche | B4gder: also, freenode uses hyperion, not dancer |
| 11:45:51 | scorche | ...which evolved from dancer, but isnt the same |
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| 11:51:39 | markun | daurnimator: are you there? |
| 11:51:50 | daurnimator | no? |
| 11:52:12 | markun | amiconn: yes, works here too now (also firefox 2.0.0.4) |
| 11:52:53 | markun | daurnimator: the archopen guys have some DSP code for the DM320 to play back audio, right? |
| 11:53:09 | daurnimator | uh |
| 11:53:12 | daurnimator | neuros do |
| 11:53:19 | markun | no |
| 11:53:23 | daurnimator | I don't know if the archopen audio code is on the dsp or not |
| 11:53:47 | markun | I'll PM you |
| 11:54:10 | * | Llorean fixes another bug and feels all... effective. |
| 11:54:21 | JdGordon | how many did you create though ? :D |
| 11:54:27 | * | preglow feels the efficiency |
| 11:54:45 | * | JdGordon 's lecture notes for tomorows exam says 30-50% of bug fixes create more bugs |
| 11:55:13 | Llorean | JdGordon: Technically only one, but it wasn't created, just a transformation of one bug into another. |
| 11:55:13 | bluebrother | well, then we should do only the remaining 70-50% :) |
| 11:55:14 | Llorean | :-P |
| 11:55:41 | LinusN | Llorean: turning it from "unknown" to "known" |
| 11:55:42 | Llorean | The database should now no longer show apparently random colors. |
| 11:56:15 | Llorean | LinusN: I thought he meant how many did I create today. In *theory* this fix doesn't add any new bugs, just turns off the colors feature for database, since it was never intended to work there anyway |
| 11:57:09 | LinusN | i'll miss the random colors |
| 11:57:28 | petur | lol |
| 11:57:33 | LinusN | maybe we should add a "random color" setting? :-) |
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| 11:57:46 | Llorean | Every line a random color? |
| 11:57:50 | JdGordon | oh? why no colours in the db? |
| 11:57:56 | scorche | it was random before we put in this color file business =P |
| 11:57:58 | Llorean | JdGordon: Because nobody's implemented it yet? |
| 11:58:14 | Llorean | JdGordon: There's room for it, but right now colors are only featured in the filetree, based solely on extension. |
| 11:58:19 | JdGordon | i'm sure there is a hippy somewhere that liked the random colours.... |
| 11:58:28 | * | Llorean looks enough like a hippy |
| 11:58:38 | scorche | a nerdy hippy =) |
| 11:58:45 | Llorean | But in the database there's only one "filetype" anyway: Music. |
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| 11:58:56 | LinusN | colors in the database should only work in the Premium edition of rockbox |
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| 11:59:07 | Llorean | I think for it to work in the filetree, the list code would have to gain access to the tag data or something, some other metric for coloring the files. |
| 11:59:16 | Llorean | Err, work in the database rather |
| 11:59:23 | crop | I'll miss random colors on the iPod shuffle! |
| 11:59:31 | LinusN | lol |
| 11:59:34 | scorche | Llorean: speaking of, we have a few more pictures to put on the site once i find that cable...apparently David went around while people were asleep and took a few shots.. |
| 11:59:48 | crop | "These are words that go together well" |
| 11:59:49 | Llorean | scorche: He showed me... |
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| 12:00:20 | scorche | i dont remember it, but apparently i covered my head after sensing what was about to happen =D |
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| 12:00:43 | JdGordon | aaaw how cute... |
| 12:00:46 | JdGordon | you damn wierdos :D |
| 12:00:50 | preglow | shots of the sleeping people, i hope |
| 12:00:55 | Llorean | crop: Perhaps the "All Tracks" list could allow you to choose (in the tagnavi) something like "Highlight by Album" or "Highlight by Genre", which generates a color based on the album string, or whatnot |
| 12:01:00 | preglow | with objects placed on them in strategic places |
| 12:01:26 | scorche | preglow: well, brandon got a few prostitute cards placed next to him while sleeping.. |
| 12:01:37 | preglow | they have cards there? nifty |
| 12:01:43 | preglow | they just yell after you here |
| 12:01:58 | scorche | it is sort of like pokemon...we had to collect tehm all! |
| 12:02:01 | Llorean | GAH |
| 12:02:06 | Llorean | Stupid red build table making me banic |
| 12:02:07 | Llorean | panic |
| 12:02:14 | preglow | don't panic! |
| 12:02:25 | Llorean | I'm all "WHAT DID I DO?!" and it's entirely not my fault |
| 12:02:26 | * | Llorean sighs |
| 12:03:23 | crop | Llorean: is your irony detector on? ;-) I only thought that the song shuffle (core feature on ipod shuffle) would fir color shuffle (=random colors :-) |
| 12:03:41 | Llorean | crop: I didn't mean to append your name at the beginning of that, but somehow managed to. |
| 12:04:04 | Llorean | It was more a statement of "colors in database are probably doable, but by extension really doesn't make much sense there" |
| 12:05:11 | crop | I'm the great hacker! I've managed to put my nick at the beginning of llorean's post! He-he! |
| 12:05:44 | crop | Llorean: yes, coloring by "semantic" information would be really sensible. Like name coloring in the irc log viewer. |
| 12:06:25 | crop | With the color picked automatically maybe. |
| 12:06:45 | Llorean | Yeah, it'd almost have to be automatically, since it's entirely by nearly infinitely variable data. |
| 12:06:57 | JdGordon | ha nice work Llorean :) |
| 12:07:28 | Llorean | Which of course leads to conflicts with backdrops, etc, unless there's somewhere kept a known good list of colors for the theme, and it just works its way through them, and loops if there are more variables than colors. |
| 12:07:38 | JdGordon | B4gder: nice new server borked? |
| 12:08:21 | petur | it's very fast: http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/serv-20070619T095439Z.html |
| 12:08:48 | Llorean | 25 builds in 18 seconds, impressive. |
| 12:09:13 | crop | Llorean: that should be thought out first. There are some problems possible IMHO. Or the coloring rules have to be defined very clear so that the users can understand why the list is colored this and not the other way. |
| 12:09:26 | Llorean | crop: Indeed. |
| 12:09:40 | GodEater | bugger - no SDL |
| 12:09:42 | Llorean | Either way, not something I'm likely to work on, since I neither use database nor have any clue how to address information from it. |
| 12:10:47 | crop | Llorean: exactly my situation. But if the users don't understand how the coloring is made it won't bring anything and will be even confusing (=harm) |
| 12:11:17 | Llorean | crop: Well, I may try to come up with an idea for how it can be consistent/good, since that kinda thing sticks in my brain. |
| 12:11:23 | GodEater | and no ccache either |
| 12:11:29 | Llorean | But if I do, I'll just post a feature request. |
| 12:11:48 | Llorean | But the conditional's already there in tree_get_filecolor, so I'd think anyone who knows how to use database can add the appropriate code for choosing the color. |
| 12:12:37 | JdGordon | it could be easily done in the same way as the extensions are done, but for tags... |
| 12:12:53 | JdGordon | e.g genre: death metal: 00ff00 |
| 12:13:03 | JdGordon | year < 2002: 000000 |
| 12:13:06 | JdGordon | etc |
| 12:13:11 | crop | JdGordon: but there are many tags and combinations thereof |
| 12:13:14 | Llorean | And if a file has both a genre and a year that have assigned colors? |
| 12:13:22 | Llorean | Ooh... additive colors |
| 12:13:23 | JdGordon | which would of course only be useful doing that in the tracks lists |
| 12:13:42 | Llorean | So, death metal is 00ff00, 2002 is cc0000, so death metal from 2002 is ccff00 |
| 12:13:51 | * | JdGordon thinks color = rand(); would be best |
| 12:14:06 | crop | JdGordon: revert the llorean's commit then! |
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| 12:14:22 | Llorean | I fear it wasn't really random. It seemed to be "black, or light gray", at least on my unit. |
| 12:14:45 | Llorean | It would be incredibly trivial to make it random though. :-P |
| 12:16:08 | Llorean | We could take the first three characters of whichever string is visible and use them as the RGB values, making "The" an even worse problem. |
| 12:16:09 | crop | iiuc, the list in the db view is a result of some filtering and sorting. So we can use a different color for each new group of the "lowest level" |
| 12:16:46 | Llorean | crop: So when viewing the artists, color based on artist, viewing the albums, color based on album, viewing the tracks, color based on title? |
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| 12:17:07 | JdGordon | iirc the filename is a tag in the databse info anway, so why not just colour it as per usual according to the extension? |
| 12:17:17 | JdGordon | and s/folder/filters |
| 12:17:18 | crop | Llorean: yes. |
| 12:17:26 | Llorean | JdGordon: Certainly an option. |
| 12:17:34 | Nico_P | Mark Shuttleworth has another interesting post about distributed VCS : http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/126 |
| 12:17:36 | JdGordon | much saner than doing it automagically i tinhk |
| 12:17:48 | Llorean | JdGordon: But that means that until you get to the "track" view, everything's colored just one color |
| 12:18:05 | Llorean | I don't think there's really any semantically useful function for colors in the database. |
| 12:18:10 | crop | Llorean: and if viewing by "artist + album" then for every new album |
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| 12:18:31 | Llorean | crop: That's basically what I meant, if the current level is showing you a list of X, then color by X. |
| 12:18:41 | JdGordon | Llorean: there is a usefullness in colours in the file tree? |
| 12:19:22 | Llorean | JdGordon: Yes, if you don't use icons. |
| 12:19:46 | crop | But I'm just speculating since I never use the DB and I own a greyscale device :-) |
| 12:19:58 | JdGordon | put the greyscale lib into the core! |
| 12:20:11 | JdGordon | 4biit grey list text |
| 12:20:21 | GodEater | if anyone feels like doing another noddy commit, debussy claims to have been mended :) |
| 12:20:25 | Llorean | JdGordon: If icons are disabled, in supported view you don't see extensions so two files with the same name and different extensions, should they happen, are indistinguishable. |
| 12:20:27 | crop | Llorean: that's why I thought about a separate option for displaying file exts |
| 12:21:06 | JdGordon | Llorean: yeah, I guess your right there |
| 12:21:10 | crop | I can live without it but it's weird that it's coupled with "show what?" option (all/supported/etc) |
| 12:21:16 | Llorean | It's not the most common situation, but it is useful there. |
| 12:22:02 | Llorean | I'm not against an "not-useful, but pretty" solution such as using the filetypes for the color in the database, but I think it'd be nice if there were some 'useful' information it could convey |
| 12:22:18 | Llorean | Even if it's just maybe... increasing across a range based on playcount/rating, or something |
| 12:22:48 | Llorean | Either way, since I'm not a user of database, nor am I planning to implement this feature, I leave it to more invested minds. |
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| 12:24:05 | * | JdGordon back in an hour or so |
| 12:25:38 | Llorean | Nico_P: If I read that right, it's essentially saying "git is fine, but bazaar is better because the merges tend to have less conflicts"? |
| 12:26:16 | Nico_P | Llorean: in his series of articles, the general view is that bazaar is stronger but git is faster |
| 12:26:35 | Llorean | I'd noticed that in the last article too. |
| 12:26:48 | Nico_P | one of the killer features of bzr according to him is rename handling |
| 12:27:13 | Llorean | I must admit, being really friendly about renames appeals strongly to me. |
| 12:27:39 | Nico_P | yes it does seem very useful |
| 12:28:22 | Nico_P | and in the case of rockbox, the speed difference between git and bzr can't be that huge... I'll probably give bzr a go soon |
| 12:28:55 | Nico_P | it was considered by the mozilla team but in the end they went for mercurial |
| 12:29:18 | Nico_P | and dropped git from the start because of its lack of native win32 support |
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| 12:35:02 | Llorean | markun: Your 3000 users is a little under the mark. We have 10,000 registered just in our forums. |
| 12:35:14 | markun | Llorean: oop, yes |
| 12:35:27 | Llorean | :) |
| 12:35:29 | DerPapst | GodEater: i would have an idea for a commit... FS #7327 |
| 12:36:22 | GodEater | DerPapst: I don't have commit access however :) |
| 12:36:47 | DerPapst | GodEater: and 3G iPods only charge via FireWire (in case you haven't found it out yourself already) |
| 12:37:40 | * | DerPapst looks at the guys with commit access... |
| 12:38:31 | Llorean | DerPapst: Being initially based on work done by Pixelma, perhaps she should look it over and decide on committing? She has access, right? |
| 12:38:45 | markun | yes, she does |
| 12:38:50 | GodEater | DerPapst: thanks - that explains why this iPod isn't turning on :) |
| 12:40:35 | DerPapst | Llorean: yes but afaik she only does manual commits. |
| 12:40:48 | DerPapst | but true. she should take a look at it first. |
| 12:41:26 | Llorean | I *usually* only do manual commits too. ;) |
| 12:41:43 | Llorean | But sometimes there are just things that need to be fixed. |
| 12:42:22 | pixelma | I have but don't have an Ipod, so wanted to have opinions of "real" users... that patch now does even more - don't know |
| 12:42:27 | DerPapst | heh.. didn't know that. i saw your name too often on the front page :P |
| 12:43:48 | Llorean | pixelma: From the text description, I quite like the iPod controls. |
| 12:43:52 | Llorean | I don't know what "show info" means though |
| 12:44:20 | DerPapst | at least minesweeper is not a lot more usable on 3Gs as well. It's even a bigger pain to play the current CVN version on a 3G than on any other iPod. |
| 12:45:03 | * | GodEater finds someone with a firewire card and cable |
| 12:45:05 | DerPapst | Llorean: some stats. How many mines are there and how many flags you've set. |
| 12:45:07 | pixelma | it'll give you an info splash (it's there already) of how many mines you discovered and how many are on there (though that's buggy atm) |
| 12:45:18 | DerPapst | *SVN |
| 12:45:19 | DerPapst | ^^ |
| 12:45:43 | Llorean | Ah |
| 12:47:01 | pixelma | gave me infos like "You discovered 222 of 43 mines" or somesuch lately |
| 12:47:03 | GodEater | I thought the point of minesweeper was *not* discovering them. You kind of blow up if you do :) |
| 12:47:19 | DerPapst | btw.. have i done the latex stuff right? or have broken somthing? |
| 12:47:34 | pixelma | GodEater: sorry for lacking proper english... |
| 12:47:54 | GodEater | pixelma: I was just being picky :) |
| 12:48:00 | DerPapst | hehe |
| 12:48:02 | Llorean | GodEater: The point is to discover them without triggering them. :-P |
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| 12:51:02 | pixelma | the splash message puts it this way: "You found x mines of out of y" (x being 68 and y 17 on my Ondio at the moment - y could be correct) |
| 12:51:03 | GodEater | I'm feeling very skeptical of all the problems our new 80GB iPod users are having. *None* of them are happening to me =/ |
| 12:52:07 | DerPapst | GodEater: same ofer at iPL. everyone claims that this is an 5.5G only issue. but it has been always a user issue :P |
| 12:52:13 | DerPapst | *over |
| 12:52:14 | DerPapst | doh |
| 12:53:18 | GodEater | I've seen the "reboot into disk mode" thing happen on my iPod, but it only happens if I've not held menu long enough |
| 12:53:20 | pixelma | GodEater: I had an idea about that - could it be database related? Assuming that most devs aren't using it... |
| 12:53:35 | GodEater | pixelma: it could be related to anything I suppose |
| 12:54:01 | GodEater | I shall initialize a database on mine now |
| 12:54:02 | GodEater | and see |
| 12:54:05 | * | DerPapst tries to find that forum post... |
| 12:54:27 | DerPapst | ...but fails. |
| 12:54:50 | GodEater | which one ? |
| 12:55:09 | DerPapst | dunno.. the one you're talking about :P |
| 12:55:19 | GodEater | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10906.0 |
| 12:55:23 | GodEater | that's one |
| 12:55:25 | GodEater | there are others |
| 12:55:46 | GodEater | there's also the spate of "my ipod keeps freezing" posts |
| 12:55:53 | GodEater | which again hasn't happened to me |
| 12:56:07 | pixelma | ah, I thought you were talking about this freezing issue |
| 12:57:42 | GodEater | no - I was referring to the fact that a lot of iPod owners insist that holding menu whilst inserting the usb cable doesn't acheive the desired result of keeping the rockbox interface working and merely charging their iPod |
| 12:58:35 | obo | but the time you need to hold down menu is a bit excessive - it didn't used to need that long |
| 12:59:06 | GodEater | but that's not the same as "it doesn't work" either |
| 12:59:41 | GodEater | our latest poster claims he's "held menu" for 30 seconds and as soon as he lets go it reboots into disk mode |
| 12:59:45 | GodEater | I just don't believe it |
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| 13:00:44 | Llorean | obo: Rockbox didn't used to attempt to differentiate chargers from computers |
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| 13:02:12 | GodEater | okay - database initialized. Will attempt to use it all day today and see if I get a freeze. |
| 13:02:21 | * | GodEater is still skeptical. |
| 13:03:24 | pixelma | was just a thought - because it didn't happen to devs |
| 13:05:12 | obo | true |
| 13:05:52 | obo | as a feature, it doesn't seem to appear in the manual, and in the wiki it's only listed as "Hold down the MENU button as you insert the USB cable" - nothing about needing to keep it held down |
| 13:07:07 | GodEater | obo: I think "hold" as opposed to "press" is the hint.... |
| 13:07:45 | markun | obo: how would you rephrase it? |
| 13:08:17 | * | GodEater is well into his second track launched from DB mode. No freeze so far. |
| 13:08:19 | pixelma | DerPapst: mind if I edit the comment in the flyspray entry - the "show info" button for iaudios is wrong... |
| 13:08:54 | obo | ", and keep it held down for at least 10 seconds afterwards" |
| 13:09:16 | DerPapst | pixelma: do so... |
| 13:10:05 | DerPapst | pixelma: then i guess i've done the same mistakt in the manual patch. |
| 13:10:12 | DerPapst | *mistake |
| 13:11:20 | safetydan_ | anyway to get logf messages to go to stdout in the sim? |
| 13:13:25 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 13:14:53 | pixelma | DerPapst: no, it's right in the manual patch - but I'm only starting to take a closer look now, though |
| 13:15:57 | DerPapst | ewww |
| 13:15:58 | * | DerPapst spots an evil tab in his own patch o.O |
| 13:16:21 | DerPapst | pixelma: thanks :) |
| 13:17:26 | DerPapst | food |
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| 13:18:26 | * | obo wonders if it has anything to do with usb-pp.c:146 |
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| 13:25:11 | * | Llorean finds himself lost in the tangle that is "all functions containing 'puts' in them" |
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| 13:33:06 | DerPapst | see you later |
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| 13:35:42 | GodEater | still no freezes |
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| 14:24:48 | GodEater | it's all gone quiet |
| 14:26:16 | JdGordon | we have 2 always good choices to get some convo appening again... |
| 14:26:28 | JdGordon | s/convo/argument |
| 14:26:35 | aliask | Alpha transparency! |
| 14:26:44 | JdGordon | ok.. 3 |
| 14:26:48 | JdGordon | malloc :D |
| 14:26:49 | B4gder | zune linux! |
| 14:27:02 | JdGordon | and good old sort order |
| 14:27:02 | aliask | Xbox emulator! |
| 14:27:09 | * | markun goes to check zune-linux.com again |
| 14:27:20 | * | aliask does too, always good for a laugh |
| 14:27:20 | preglow | without doubt, they have released now |
| 14:27:42 | preglow | after all, they've already picked a linux distro, so there's little work left to be done |
| 14:27:49 | aliask | toffe82 linked a good one recently: http://zune-linux.com/zune.mp3 |
| 14:28:05 | * | preglow pines for the day when people WROTE stuff |
| 14:28:07 | JdGordon | they found out that they needed 3 wires instead of 2 to bypas the encryption... so the whole thing was canceled becaue its too hard |
| 14:28:17 | preglow | how i hate info distributed as mp3s |
| 14:28:39 | aliask | preglow: Get with the times - it's a podcast, not an mp3! |
| 14:29:20 | aliask | JdGordon: Finished exams? |
| 14:29:21 | preglow | i loathe podcasts! |
| 14:29:28 | aliask | I loathe the word :) |
| 14:29:31 | JdGordon | aliask: 2 more.. finish thrusday you? |
| 14:29:32 | B4gder | I actually learned to like podcasts |
| 14:29:43 | B4gder | perfect commuting listening |
| 14:29:43 | preglow | if they're just music: aok |
| 14:29:44 | aliask | Finish thursday too, but I have tomorrow off. |
| 14:29:50 | preglow | actual info, interviews and shit, text please |
| 14:30:09 | B4gder | text is harder when biking, walking etc |
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| 14:30:22 | preglow | sure |
| 14:30:35 | preglow | i never listen to stuff while biking, though, and pretty much always listen to music if not |
| 14:30:42 | markun | B4gder: not with rockbox's future TTS plugin :) |
| 14:30:42 | B4gder | I' |
| 14:30:47 | B4gder | :-) |
| 14:31:08 | B4gder | preglow: I used to be there too, and then I found that there actually are interesting podcasts being made ;-) |
| 14:31:21 | preglow | heh, might be |
| 14:31:26 | aliask | How are the GSoC students coming along? |
| 14:31:32 | markun | B4gder: maybe you can make a list on your haxx page? |
| 14:31:37 | preglow | mine is chugging along nicely |
| 14:31:41 | B4gder | I should yes |
| 14:31:46 | JdGordon | aliask: they are being lazy bludgers like all students :D |
| 14:31:55 | aliask | Which one was that preglow? |
| 14:31:57 | petur | oh, he's changed the video rendering so it will be better when you broadcast it to another zune over wifi :) |
| 14:32:01 | preglow | aliask: saratoa |
| 14:32:03 | preglow | saratoga |
| 14:32:10 | aliask | WMA, wasn't it? |
| 14:32:13 | preglow | yea |
| 14:32:47 | JdGordon | he was havig fun wresteling with the plugin api this morning :) |
| 14:32:55 | aliask | Yeah, seems like he's doing some good work. Even better is he's been keeping track of his progress. |
| 14:33:31 | preglow | yeah, i like that |
| 14:33:31 | * | aliask likes watching things grow |
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| 14:40:04 | markun | petur: where did you read that? |
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| 14:40:40 | aliask | It's from the MP3 file |
| 14:40:52 | markun | ah, must have missed that |
| 14:40:59 | petur | near the end |
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| 14:42:15 | markun | B4gder: amazing how may1937 is so crazy about the dm320 |
| 14:42:28 | B4gder | yes |
| 14:42:39 | * | GodEater makes backhander motions |
| 14:43:26 | B4gder | but I guess they think they can make a product faster and cheaper using that |
| 14:43:36 | B4gder | since they already have the osd |
| 14:43:48 | markun | but still |
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| 14:45:13 | GodEater | I see "X" never came back to the post he left on our forums. |
| 14:45:21 | B4gder | hehe |
| 14:46:29 | GodEater | and markun was so polite too |
| 14:48:37 | GodEater | OT: /me wonders how many more times he will have to explain to his project manager that when "the package is only available via citrix" means "No you can't have it installed directly on your workstation" |
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| 14:48:52 | Zlasher | Hello! |
| 14:49:51 | aliask | Hello! |
| 14:50:13 | Zlasher | I have some problems with my ipod with rockbox |
| 14:50:37 | Zlasher | got* |
| 14:50:40 | aliask | Well go ahead and ask, I'm sure someone here will know what's up. |
| 14:52:25 | GodEater | perhaps there isn't a question - it was just a statement... |
| 14:52:32 | Zlasher | when i try to play some of my music it gives my some strange noice and a error messege |
| 14:52:35 | aliask | Haha :) |
| 14:52:45 | GodEater | Zlasher: what's the error message ? |
| 14:53:41 | Zlasher | GodEather,Depends on which file i play somtimes i get "prefecth abort *****" or "data abort *******" |
| 14:54:12 | GodEater | Zlasher: is the music purchased from itunes music store at all ? |
| 14:54:17 | Zlasher | nope |
| 14:54:23 | GodEater | what format is it then ? |
| 14:54:35 | GodEater | and when did you last update your bootloader ? |
| 14:54:39 | Zlasher | downloaded from: http://remix.kwed.org/ in mp3 format |
| 14:54:50 | Zlasher | I installed rockbox today |
| 14:54:58 | GodEater | for the first time ? |
| 14:55:01 | Zlasher | yea |
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| 14:55:21 | * | GodEater looks at the playback.c crowd |
| 14:55:33 | GodEater | or possible the mp3 codec crowd :) |
| 14:56:06 | aliask | Could it possibly be a bootloader issue? |
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| 14:56:33 | Zlasher | I have one file thats playable |
| 14:56:37 | GodEater | not if he only installed today |
| 14:56:59 | GodEater | that would imply he has the latest bootloader |
| 14:57:19 | GodEater | assuming he followed our install procedure, and not Rockbox Installer X or somethin |
| 14:57:31 | Zlasher | It could be some problems with the mp3 codecs |
| 14:57:37 | aliask | Zlasher: Did you use the bootloader mentioned in the manual? |
| 14:57:39 | Zlasher | i read the manual |
| 14:57:43 | Zlasher | yes |
| 14:57:51 | aliask | Ok, well there goes my idea. |
| 14:57:53 | GodEater | Zlasher: can you tell me which tracks you've downloaded from that site? |
| 14:58:00 | GodEater | so I can try and see if I get the same issue |
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| 14:58:16 | Zlasher | http://tracker.slayradio.org/index.php?category=RKO RKO Q1 remixes |
| 14:58:18 | Zlasher | hmm |
| 14:58:45 | Zlasher | http://remix.kwed.org/files/RKOfiles/Boz%20-%20Comic%20Bakery.mp3 |
| 14:59:03 | GodEater | one moment |
| 14:59:23 | * | GodEater downloads |
| 14:59:25 | Zlasher | Thanks |
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| 15:00:44 | GodEater | so much for my database test =/ |
| 15:01:04 | GodEater | Zlasher: do you get the error immediately |
| 15:01:05 | GodEater | ? |
| 15:01:09 | Zlasher | bope |
| 15:01:13 | Zlasher | nope* |
| 15:01:17 | GodEater | how far into the track then ? |
| 15:01:18 | Zlasher | it takes some seconds |
| 15:01:27 | Zlasher | maby 5 seconds |
| 15:01:31 | GodEater | I'm 35 seconds in... |
| 15:01:34 | GodEater | sounds fine to me |
| 15:01:40 | GodEater | if not entirely my cup of tea :) |
| 15:01:53 | Zlasher | You're using a ipod? |
| 15:02:02 | GodEater | yep |
| 15:02:09 | Zlasher | hmm.. |
| 15:02:19 | Zlasher | 5g? |
| 15:02:22 | GodEater | 5.5g |
| 15:02:32 | GodEater | what OS you using on your PC ? |
| 15:02:48 | * | GodEater stops listening at 1:44 - can't stand any more |
| 15:03:09 | Zlasher | Linux and windows, installed rockbox with windows |
| 15:03:42 | GodEater | want to compare md5sum on the file then ? |
| 15:03:47 | GodEater | make sure you downloaded it ok ? |
| 15:04:07 | Zlasher | ok |
| 15:04:10 | aliask | Even if it's corrupt, rockbox should be dying like that |
| 15:04:26 | GodEater | aliask: what would you expect then ? |
| 15:04:50 | GodEater | Zlasher: ad9b30db131dc7bbb7072fd4a28ef4ca |
| 15:04:57 | Zlasher | were can i download a md5 checksum checker? |
| 15:04:59 | aliask | mpa codec to reject the data, and move to the next file. |
| 15:05:07 | GodEater | Zlasher: your linux box should have one already |
| 15:05:25 | Zlasher | Then i need to reboot |
| 15:05:28 | GodEater | oh |
| 15:05:34 | GodEater | there should be one for windows kicknig around somewhere |
| 15:05:39 | GodEater | google should get you one |
| 15:05:44 | Zlasher | ok |
| 15:06:13 | GodEater | http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/using_md5sums.html |
| 15:06:16 | GodEater | first hit |
| 15:06:25 | GodEater | there are links on that page for windows checkers |
| 15:06:38 | Zlasher | already found one |
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| 15:07:37 | Zlasher | 181C76E62B0BD25ED2ADA88E556B19C5 rockbox.zip |
| 15:08:55 | Zlasher | or which file should i check :P |
| 15:09:15 | GodEater | your mp3 :) |
| 15:09:20 | preglow | oooh, comic bakery |
| 15:09:21 | Zlasher | :> |
| 15:09:22 | Zlasher | ok |
| 15:10:03 | preglow | how many chiptune covers i've heard of this |
| 15:11:01 | GodEater | preglow: it's a bit plinky plinky for me |
| 15:11:23 | preglow | then you should hear the chiptune versions |
| 15:11:27 | GodEater | worse ? |
| 15:11:35 | preglow | depends how much you like chiptunes :> |
| 15:12:06 | preglow | i think i remember playing this thing on c64 |
| 15:12:10 | preglow | but no, file plays fine here too, ipod nano |
| 15:12:11 | markun | preglow: I'm a bit crazy so I transcribed the podcast :) http://130.89.160.166/zune-transcription.txt |
| 15:12:12 | Zlasher | AD9B30DB131DC7BBB7072FD4A28EF4CA Boz - Comic Bakery.mp3 |
| 15:12:33 | Zlasher | <−−- Big C64 fan :) |
| 15:13:18 | preglow | this guy is so full of shit |
| 15:13:24 | GodEater | same checksum as I got then |
| 15:13:29 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 15:13:35 | markun | preglow: I thought he had some good points ;) |
| 15:13:37 | preglow | Zlasher: then you do of course know that rockbox plays sid files |
| 15:13:44 | GodEater | I'm stumped as to why it blows up on your player |
| 15:14:09 | preglow | why would he need umpteen dead zunes to check out the hardware? |
| 15:14:24 | GodEater | so he can make them work again and sell them on ebay ? |
| 15:14:29 | preglow | haha |
| 15:14:36 | thegeek | hahahah |
| 15:14:38 | GodEater | I'm so cynical |
| 15:14:41 | thegeek | that transcript is hilarious |
| 15:15:02 | markun | thegeek: you're not talking about my spelling errors, are you? |
| 15:15:05 | markun | :) |
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| 15:15:09 | aliask | Yeah, he's really praying on people's hopes here to make a quick buck. |
| 15:15:12 | thegeek | hehe, no;P |
| 15:15:41 | thegeek | yeah aliask, that or he is just truly delusional;P |
| 15:15:47 | GodEater | what a dumb choice of distro too |
| 15:15:55 | GodEater | if he were even halfway serious |
| 15:15:59 | GodEater | which he isnt' of course |
| 15:16:02 | markun | GodEater: why? it runs on the Zune perfectly! ;) |
| 15:16:05 | thegeek | choosing any distro at all is stupid;) |
| 15:16:09 | Zlasher | I'm starting to geting used to things like this |
| 15:16:09 | thegeek | heheheee |
| 15:16:37 | GodEater | pixelma: see the forums for a pretty emphatic "No, it's not using the database which causes the lock up issues" |
| 15:17:09 | aliask | I love it, Zunepet is the ONLY rational person on the forums, I'm reading now. |
| 15:17:36 | markun | thegeek: this guy had a good suggestion: http://www.zune-linux.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=130 |
| 15:17:50 | markun | but then you get replies like "But I'm sure you guys have already started development with DSL, so this really isn't an option." |
| 15:18:01 | markun | (that was about using Matchbox btw) |
| 15:18:58 | aliask | Sounds like ZunePet is about to explode there, at the bottom of that thread |
| 15:19:06 | markun | poor guy |
| 15:21:01 | markun | preglow: maybe he's randomly soldering wires on the PCB and checking if it somehow bypassed the encryptions |
| 15:21:17 | preglow | gotta be something like that, yeah |
| 15:21:23 | aliask | That WOULD need a lot of dead zunes then. |
| 15:21:32 | Zlasher | tested again : Prefetch abort at 6629385E |
| 15:21:39 | preglow | prefetch abort, wow |
| 15:21:44 | preglow | and at THAT address |
| 15:21:45 | petur | they are looking for some pin to short so it boots in debug mode (seems xbox does this) |
| 15:21:53 | preglow | that's just plain weird |
| 15:21:58 | * | GodEater looks expectantly at preglow |
| 15:22:09 | preglow | pretty much sounds like a bugged install to me |
| 15:22:14 | preglow | wipe everything, download a new build and try again |
| 15:22:39 | Zlasher | ok |
| 15:22:40 | GodEater | Zlasher: which ipod do you have exactly ? |
| 15:22:41 | Zlasher | :( |
| 15:22:56 | Zlasher | A black 5.5g 30gb ipod |
| 15:23:03 | GodEater | which build did you download ? |
| 15:23:09 | Zlasher | Direcly boght from Apple |
| 15:23:10 | preglow | it tried to execute code in the middle of i/o memory space, and that shouldn't happen unless something is seriously wrong |
| 15:23:15 | Zlasher | Current |
| 15:23:26 | GodEater | Zlasher: but which model ? |
| 15:23:47 | Zlasher | Ipod Video ..... :P ops |
| 15:24:06 | GodEater | so not the 64MB build by accident then ? |
| 15:24:07 | Zlasher | 60Gb/80Gbb ... hmm |
| 15:24:29 | Zlasher | http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipodvideo64mb/rockbox.zip |
| 15:24:30 | GodEater | oh - we renamed it :) |
| 15:24:35 | GodEater | yeah - you don't want that one |
| 15:24:38 | Zlasher | thats the one |
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| 15:24:44 | Zlasher | :P |
| 15:24:50 | GodEater | *someone* do a commit and get a build going again! |
| 15:25:15 | markun | did Llorean know he got 310 points? |
| 15:25:24 | JdGordon | ye he knows |
| 15:25:42 | GodEater | Zlasher: try an archived build from yesterday |
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| 15:25:49 | Zlasher | ok |
| 15:25:52 | GodEater | there should be a 30GB Video ipod build there |
| 15:25:57 | GodEater | until we can get a current build out for you |
| 15:26:11 | Zlasher | ;) |
| 15:26:12 | * | GodEater apologises for the state of the build page :( |
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| 15:26:45 | GodEater | it's all my fault |
| 15:26:57 | Zlasher | :P |
| 15:27:02 | Zlasher | No problems |
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| 15:27:32 | Zlasher | that one? http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipodvideo/rockbox-ipodvideo.zip |
| 15:28:12 | GodEater | that's the one |
| 15:28:20 | Zlasher | Thanks |
| 15:28:25 | GodEater | no problem - sorry for the confusion |
| 15:29:17 | | Part maffe |
| 15:29:24 | preglow | and once again preglow is right |
| 15:29:31 | GodEater | yep |
| 15:29:38 | * | GodEater applauds |
| 15:29:41 | preglow | hooray for me, hooray for preglow |
| 15:29:59 | * | GodEater throws his hat in the air |
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| 15:30:35 | * | B4gder wants to throw preglow's hat too and wait in line |
| 15:30:49 | * | GodEater catches said hat and hands it to B4gder |
| 15:31:00 | GodEater | woohoo - five whole people for the London DevConPub :) |
| 15:31:33 | aliask | I'll be attending the melbourne one! |
| 15:31:47 | JdGordon | aliask: a melb one? i'm not invited? |
| 15:31:48 | * | aliask looks at JdGordon |
| 15:31:50 | GodEater | I might attend that next year |
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| 15:31:56 | GodEater | assuming there will be one |
| 15:32:08 | JdGordon | aliask: what time is your exam thrusday? am or pm? |
| 15:32:14 | aliask | JdGordon: 2:30 |
| 15:32:26 | JdGordon | bah, there goes that idea :p |
| 15:33:09 | aliask | Yeah, all my exams have been really late (which is juuuuust fine by me :) ) |
| 15:35:09 | JdGordon | haha yeah, 2.30 is much better than 9.30 |
| 15:35:19 | aliask | My thoughts exactly. |
| 15:38:40 | * | GodEater waits to hear if Zlasher was successful |
| 15:41:04 | GodEater | B4gder: I have the boot sector from a 3G ipod now - the 40GB model - is it worth putting on the wiki with all the others ? |
| 15:41:45 | chrisjs169|afk | regarding FS7134, even when using the latest patch from this morning, my sansa still freezes on boot |
| 15:42:01 | Zlasher | Going to test my ipod now |
| 15:42:08 | GodEater | fingers crossed |
| 15:42:20 | GodEater | no reason why it shouldn't work now though |
| 15:42:20 | JdGordon | chrisjs169|afk: with a card inserted? |
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| 15:43:41 | chrisjs169|afk | JdGordon: with no card inserted (I don't have one) |
| 15:43:58 | JdGordon | ok, thats a problem then |
| 15:44:22 | chrisjs169|afk | after about an hour or so it says Error SDCard: 10 |
| 15:44:26 | PaulJam | wouldn't it be possible for the 64MiB builds to check the available amount of memory dirung startup and present an error message if it has less than 64MiB? |
| 15:45:16 | Zlasher | Seems to work! Thanks |
| 15:45:28 | preglow | didn't devcon people discuss and find a nice way to just have a single build? |
| 15:45:54 | B4gder | yes, but it hasn't been made |
| 15:46:04 | pixelma | GodEater: oh well... there goes that theory then |
| 15:46:15 | petur | it involves moving some stuff around in memory |
| 15:46:39 | petur | (see picture of whiteboard) |
| 15:47:50 | preglow | well, to me, it just looked like what we've been talking about for along time: moving the plugin and codec buffers to the start of memory |
| 15:47:53 | petur | http://users.telenet.be/petur/devcon2007/images/dscf0014.jpg |
| 15:48:15 | GodEater | preglow: get cracking then :) |
| 15:48:20 | B4gder | preglow: yes it is that thing, nothing really new |
| 15:48:39 | GodEater | Zlasher: good news :) Enjoy Rockbox ! |
| 15:49:05 | preglow | hmm |
| 15:49:18 | preglow | i'm fairly certain amiconn had some gripes with that way of doing it |
| 15:49:21 | preglow | can't remember what, though |
| 15:49:47 | GodEater | preglow: I think in the other pics of the whiteboard, it was amiconn doing the drawing... |
| 15:49:53 | preglow | yeah... |
| 15:49:59 | B4gder | yes, he drew that |
| 15:50:14 | petur | http://users.telenet.be/petur/devcon2007/images/dscf0013.jpg |
| 15:50:15 | GodEater | would be odd if he had gripes with his own plan :) |
| 15:50:15 | preglow | well, then he obviously has nothing against the idea now :) |
| 15:50:33 | preglow | can't remember who had that idea first, but it wasn't amiconn |
| 15:50:43 | B4gder | I figure we should load the main image at ~1MB, then copy the vectors down to the start |
| 15:51:21 | preglow | relocatable plugins!!!11 :DD |
| 15:51:30 | B4gder | preglow: he didn't present it as his own idea either, we were just discussing how to do it and he showed the bunch |
| 15:51:33 | preglow | i wonder how much of a performance hit that would mean |
| 15:51:43 | preglow | B4gder: sure, just telling GodEater |
| 15:52:00 | * | GodEater is busy taking notes :) |
| 15:52:15 | GodEater | in case there's a test later |
| 15:52:26 | GodEater | B4gder: did you see my 3G MBR comment above ? |
| 15:52:28 | JdGordon | chrisjs169|afk: well, it seems my computer doesnt want to play nice tonight, so cant test the new patch |
| 15:52:43 | chrisjs169|afk | JdGordon: ok |
| 15:53:05 | B4gder | GodEater: yes, but i have no idea/opinion really |
| 15:53:17 | GodEater | B4gder: ok - I'll wait till linuxstb is around and ask him |
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| 15:57:53 | JdGordon | chrisjs169|afk: your start screen isnt the file browser is it? |
| 15:57:56 | JdGordon | or db? |
| 15:59:50 | chrisjs169|afk | JdGordon: I believe it's just the menu |
| 15:59:54 | JdGordon | ok |
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| 16:00:06 | JdGordon | crap... does a panic turn the backlight on? |
| 16:01:33 | chrisjs169|afk | I'm not sure - before the backlight wouldn't turn off, and up until a few days ago the backlight turns off, but rockbox still doesn't load - not sure about when it panics though |
| 16:07:38 | JdGordon | grr!!! annoying bugger on the forums |
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| 16:10:20 | pixelma | isn't that the one who wants to get the REP working on the sansa? |
| 16:10:29 | JdGordon | posibly |
| 16:10:45 | JdGordon | I didnt really read his REP posts thourolghy |
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| 16:10:51 | * | JdGordon apologises for that spelling |
| 16:15:09 | JdGordon | chrisjs169|afk: when it crashes... were you doing anything to try to make it reproducable? or just listening to music? |
| 16:15:34 | chrisjs169|afk | JdGordon: I was turning it on... (it freezes right at the rockbox logo) |
| 16:15:55 | chrisjs169|afk | JdGordon: is there any debug code I could add to get an idea on where it is locking up? |
| 16:15:58 | JdGordon | and after the hours? |
| 16:16:00 | JdGordon | hour*? |
| 16:16:13 | chrisjs169|afk | after the hour wait or so, it says Error SDCard: 10 |
| 16:16:43 | JdGordon | oh, it freezes for an hour then spits out the error? |
| 16:16:58 | JdGordon | I thought you meant it crashed after an hour of being on and working |
| 16:17:07 | chrisjs169|afk | yeah, about an hour (I've never timed it, but it's around one hour) |
| 16:17:37 | * | JdGordon can turn off his sansa then |
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| 16:19:15 | JdGordon | chrisjs169|afk: ok, shouldnt make any difference, but which model do you have? |
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| 16:19:38 | chrisjs169|afk | JdGordon: e250 |
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| 16:20:05 | chrisjs169|afk | I noticed that it uses two 1GB memory chips on the daughterboard, which could (possibly) make a difference |
| 16:20:05 | JdGordon | bah, same as me then |
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| 16:20:29 | chrisjs169|afk | JdGordon: do you have the newer Sansa? |
| 16:20:35 | JdGordon | that is possible |
| 16:20:38 | JdGordon | i have no idea.. |
| 16:20:48 | JdGordon | i havtn opened mine enough to check the daughetr board |
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| 16:22:25 | pondlife | JdGordon: haha, you're being very patient on the forum... |
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| 16:22:51 | JdGordon | this is what happens wen i should be studying :p |
| 16:23:11 | pondlife | Back to your books! |
| 16:23:26 | JdGordon | na, past midnight... your supposed to say goto bed |
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| 16:25:50 | chrisjs169|afk | JdGordon: is it possible for me to modify the bootloader/rockbox to echo debug information before the rockbox logo appears? (or while it's at the logo) |
| 16:26:08 | JdGordon | sure |
| 16:26:21 | JdGordon | not sure what you would want to dump though |
| 16:27:47 | chrisjs169|afk | it may help figure out what's causing it to crash though |
| 16:28:05 | JdGordon | well i got the front cover off... how do i get to the daughter board? |
| 16:28:05 | linuxstb | GodEater: Yes to your 40GB 3G MBR - the more we can collect, the better. I think you need to give it to Bagder so he can put it on the download server, then add a link on the wiki page. |
| 16:29:15 | chrisjs169|afk | JdGordon: the silver casing is made of plastic - carefully get the usb connector up over the casing |
| 16:29:57 | chrisjs169|afk | make sure you don't break the plasic though :P |
| 16:30:19 | JdGordon | got it :) |
| 16:30:23 | JdGordon | only 1 chip on the db |
| 16:30:37 | chrisjs169|afk | you sure? |
| 16:31:07 | JdGordon | unless its under it |
| 16:31:16 | * | linuxstb curses Debian. I did "apt-get install iceweasel" and Debian decided to uninstall Gnome, which I didn't notice until I closed the X session... And after reinstalling Gnome, it just boots into a blank screen with nothing running. |
| 16:31:22 | chrisjs169|afk | does the chip say 2048? |
| 16:31:34 | JdGordon | it has a sticker over it |
| 16:31:35 | B4gder | linuxstb: ! |
| 16:31:38 | B4gder | pain |
| 16:32:33 | chrisjs169|afk | JdGordon: so it looks like this: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/images/sandisk-sansa-e200/sandisk-sansa-e200-apart-8-thumb.jpg |
| 16:32:50 | chrisjs169|afk | (bigger picture: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/images/sandisk-sansa-e200/sandisk-sansa-e200-apart-8.jpg ) |
| 16:32:56 | linuxstb | B4gder: I can start gnome-terminal from the console, and then start apps from there, but that's not quite ideal.... |
| 16:33:24 | JdGordon | chrisjs169|afk: yep, thats what it looks like |
| 16:33:43 | chrisjs169|afk | JdGordon: =/ Ok, let me get a picture of mine |
| 16:34:24 | JdGordon | is there a pic of the fm chip? |
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| 16:35:53 | chrisjs169|afk | i'm not sure - if you know where on the board it is i can get a pic |
| 16:36:18 | JdGordon | i dont :p i cant find any obviously missing chips |
| 16:36:22 | JdGordon | unless its under the lcd |
| 16:36:55 | chrisjs169|afk | here's a review on ABi with pics |
| 16:37:14 | chrisjs169|afk | no chips under the lcd |
| 16:38:01 | JdGordon | chrisjs169|afk: yours looks like http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200/pics/t_board1.jpg ? |
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| 16:38:58 | chrisjs169|afk | wtf - this has completely different parts |
| 16:39:27 | chrisjs169|afk | i see an uhh...nvidia logo |
| 16:39:51 | JdGordon | nvidia bought PP or something |
| 16:39:55 | chrisjs169|afk | ok |
| 16:39:56 | B4gder | exactly |
| 16:40:15 | B4gder | on the 5024 chip I take it? |
| 16:40:21 | chrisjs169|afk | yes |
| 16:40:28 | chrisjs169|afk | the hynix chip is different |
| 16:40:57 | B4gder | no surprise really, ram chips seem to come and go very fast |
| 16:41:31 | JdGordon | looks like it would be a massive PITA to solder an external mic onto it |
| 16:41:51 | chrisjs169|afk | reading "SEC 713 BG75 [new line] K4M56163PG [new line] AQB59520" |
| 16:42:37 | chrisjs169|afk | but yes, mine lloks like the one on daniel.haxx.se (only with both chips saying 1024) |
| 16:43:03 | JdGordon | maybe the lack of bankswitching is causing you problems? |
| 16:43:09 | B4gder | K4M56163PG seems to be a samsung sdram |
| 16:43:43 | chrisjs169|afk | JdGordon: possible i suppose |
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| 16:45:02 | chrisjs169|afk | anything else i need to look at? |
| 16:46:45 | B4gder | "The K4M56163PG is 268,435,456 bits synchronous high data |
| 16:46:45 | B4gder | rate Dynamic RAM organized as 4 x 4,196,304 words by 16 bits, |
| 16:46:45 | B4gder | fabricated with SAMSUNG?s high performance CMOS technology." |
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| 16:51:26 | saratoga | I got the wmaplugin working in the sim, but it still fails when i try and compile it for a target |
| 16:51:50 | saratoga | "/home/mgg6/rockbox/wmaplugin/gigabeat/apps/plugins/wma2wav/link.lds:4 nonconstant expression for origin" |
| 16:52:07 | saratoga | i'm open to suggestions |
| 16:52:33 | JdGordon | http://www.wcw.dk/billeder/DSC00630.jpg shows where the fm chip is.. under the DB... |
| 16:52:52 | * | JdGordon puttng ansa back together |
| 16:53:20 | B4gder | saratoga: do you have your own lds file for the plugin? |
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| 16:55:50 | saratoga | B4gder: no I do not |
| 16:56:32 | saratoga | could you elaborate on what an LDS file? |
| 16:56:36 | saratoga | does |
| 16:56:46 | petur | linker file |
| 16:57:00 | B4gder | it tells the linker how to put things in memory |
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| 16:59:15 | n1s | petur: would dumping the rom(s?) on a h300 be a good test for the i2c driver? |
| 16:59:40 | JdGordon | chrisjs169|afk: put a comment on the tracker saying yours has 2 chips and mine only has one.. both are e250's though... might help.. |
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| 17:00:12 | petur | n1s: dumping and writing back, yes |
| 17:00:32 | n1s | petur: writing back just the eeprom, right? |
| 17:00:43 | petur | yes |
| 17:00:48 | chrisjs169|afk | JdGordon: |
| 17:00:50 | n1s | petur: thanks |
| 17:00:51 | linuxstb_ | saratoga: You shouldn't need your own .lds file. Which Makefile did you use as the basis for the one in your wmaplug directory? |
| 17:00:54 | chrisjs169|afk | JdGordon: ok |
| 17:01:00 | petur | n1s: debug screen last option |
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| 17:01:21 | petur | and check in OF |
| 17:01:25 | linuxstb_ | saratoga: ^ I mean wma2wav direcoty. |
| 17:01:47 | n1s | petur: check, like see if settings change? |
| 17:02:15 | petur | yes, or set it to A, dump, set to B, restore, check |
| 17:02:27 | petur | OF stores its settings in EEPROM |
| 17:02:36 | n1s | petur: ok, thanks |
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| 17:03:50 | JdGordon | bed time, cyaz |
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| 17:09:29 | saratoga | linuxstb: I just grabbed one of the other random plugins and changed the paths and names |
| 17:09:48 | saratoga | looking through, it did mention an archos.lds, so I changed that to say plugin.lds, but it didn't fix things |
| 17:09:55 | saratoga | should i not have any reference to an lds file? |
| 17:10:36 | saratoga | also, while i'm dealing with this, how do i get the makefile to not build in the source code folder |
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| 17:13:31 | markun | saratoga: make some build dir and run tools/configure |
| 17:13:57 | linuxstb_ | saratoga: Does the Makefile make use of a SOURCES file? |
| 17:14:27 | linuxstb_ | The archos.lds will be for plugins which work as overlays on Archos. Probably best to avoid those Makefiles. |
| 17:14:33 | saratoga | linuxstb: no, just a SRC = utils.o futils.o cutils.o parser.o \ line |
| 17:15:10 | linuxstb_ | If I was you, I would use the Sudoku makefile as your example. And delete any .lds files you've created. |
| 17:15:34 | linuxstb_ | And then list your source files in a SOURCES file in your plugin's directory. |
| 17:16:47 | linuxstb_ | Some other tips - your .c files should only ever include plugin.h (and the plugin lib .h files) - not any other (system) .h files. |
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| 17:23:08 | saratoga3 | i think my last few messages didn't go through |
| 17:23:31 | linuxstb_ | Check the logs... |
| 17:23:44 | saratoga3 | i've switched to the suduko makefile, edited it to reference wma2wav, then created a sources folder and made sure that there were no lds files |
| 17:23:55 | saratoga3 | however, the result is the same |
| 17:24:28 | linuxstb_ | The only other change outside your wma2wav directory is to add "wma2wav" to apps/plugins/SUBDIRS ? |
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| 17:25:08 | saratoga3 | i believe i also added it to viewers |
| 17:25:14 | linuxstb_ | And you're compiling Rockbox as normal - i.e. mkdir build-dir ; cd build-dir ; ../tools/configure ; make ? |
| 17:25:32 | saratoga3 | should i have rerun configure? |
| 17:25:50 | linuxstb_ | Probably not, but it's safest to start with a clean build directory. |
| 17:26:14 | linuxstb_ | So at the very least, a "make clean" |
| 17:26:34 | petur | I hope you're not using cygwin ;) |
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| 17:26:51 | saratoga3 | linux |
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| 17:27:19 | linuxstb_ | If it doesn't work in a clean build directory, I'm happy to have a look if you zip up your wma2wav directory. |
| 17:28:20 | * | n1s realizes that h100 and h300 have completely different i2c drivers... |
| 17:28:34 | * | linuxstb_ suspects there is zero possibility of the N3 not being DM320 based... |
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| 17:29:07 | * | GodEater is back from the gym and ready to send the 3G MBR to Bagder for him to put on the download server |
| 17:29:21 | linuxstb_ | You just missed him I think... |
| 17:29:31 | GodEater | perfect timing then as usual |
| 17:29:53 | n1s | any h100 users around that could test the patch I posted in FS #7321 ? |
| 17:29:58 | linuxstb_ | DevConPub is on track to be bigger than the other two. I wonder why... |
| 17:31:12 | markun | :) |
| 17:31:13 | GodEater | little to do with Dev'ing and lots to do with drinking I suspect ;) |
| 17:31:31 | markun | perhaps I should check the budget airlines to London :) |
| 17:31:45 | * | GodEater votes we don't try and build a tower of rockbox. I don't want my gigabeat to end up at the bottom of a half drunk pint glass |
| 17:32:00 | linuxstb_ | And they'll probably just get stolen... |
| 17:32:09 | GodEater | Holborn's not *that* bad :) |
| 17:32:12 | saratoga3 | linuxstb: would you take a look at my folder? |
| 17:32:15 | saratoga3 | also, is 7z ok? |
| 17:32:20 | GodEater | markun: that's a jolly good idea - I think you should :) |
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| 17:32:29 | linuxstb_ | saratoga3: I can live with 7z |
| 17:32:50 | GodEater | linuxstb: do you know anything about mending slightly broken ipods ? |
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| 17:33:18 | linuxstb_ | No. I've been fortunate, none of my mp3 players have ever broke. |
| 17:33:30 | GodEater | I've been given a slightly broken 3g (30GB this time) |
| 17:33:33 | linuxstb_ | I can't even figure out how to open my ipod.... |
| 17:33:35 | saratoga3 | http://www.duke.edu/~mgg6/rockbox/wma2wav.7z |
| 17:33:43 | GodEater | which if I can make go again, would be useful for more mbr stealing |
| 17:33:58 | GodEater | I think I have ipod dismantling tools at home |
| 17:34:04 | GodEater | I'll have a look at it there |
| 17:34:12 | GodEater | I'm hoping a connection has come loose |
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| 17:34:19 | GodEater | but it's possible the HD is completely shafted |
| 17:35:02 | linuxstb_ | saratoga3: First thing - SOURCES should contain .c files, not .o |
| 17:35:35 | linuxstb_ | It should probably also be a Unix text file, not DOS |
| 17:36:03 | markun | GodEater: it's 10 euro with Ryanair! (single flight) |
| 17:36:12 | markun | including taxes |
| 17:36:34 | linuxstb_ | Plus about 25UKP for the return train fair from Stansted airport to London... |
| 17:36:51 | markun | ah :) |
| 17:37:01 | linuxstb_ | I meant fare |
| 17:37:05 | GodEater | markun: nice :) |
| 17:37:09 | saratoga3 | that fixed the "builds in source code folder" problem |
| 17:37:14 | saratoga3 | making now to see if it links |
| 17:37:25 | GodEater | Stansted has a cheek calling itself a London airport |
| 17:37:30 | GodEater | it's halfway to Cambridge |
| 17:37:47 | linuxstb_ | saratoga3; Also, a few of your source files are DOS format. One (common.h) is a mixture of the two... |
| 17:38:02 | saratoga3 | i blame ffmpeg |
| 17:38:11 | linuxstb_ | None of the "London" airports (apart from City) are in London though... |
| 17:38:12 | saratoga3 | is it enough to just open them and save as (unix format)? |
| 17:38:25 | GodEater | linuxstb: Heathrow is close enough to qualify |
| 17:38:26 | linuxstb_ | "dos2unix filename" might work |
| 17:39:19 | linuxstb_ | saratoga3: Also, you should rename "config.h" to something like "wma_config.h" - to avoid confusion with the Rockbox system config.h |
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| 17:39:58 | markun | linuxstb_, GodEater: will it be a pub with internet so we can watch you through a webcam? :) |
| 17:40:08 | GodEater | markun: not if I can help it :) |
| 17:40:16 | linuxstb_ | saratoga3: If you type "file *" in your wma2wav directory, that will tell you the line-endings of all the files. |
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| 17:42:54 | linuxstb_ | GodEater: I have a spare 20GB 1.8" drive (from my Gigabeat F20) if it will help your 3G come alive |
| 17:43:40 | saratoga3 | linuxstb: still no change in results |
| 17:43:49 | saratoga3 | any idea what the link.lds file it mentions is? |
| 17:44:01 | linuxstb_ | saratoga3: It compiled fine for me... |
| 17:44:17 | GodEater | linuxstb: well it might help it come alive - but it certainly won't magically contain an iPod mbr :) |
| 17:44:41 | linuxstb_ | You don't have access to itunes? |
| 17:44:58 | GodEater | linuxstb: oooh - didn't think of that. I guess I could use the girly's laptop |
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| 17:45:22 | markun | saratoga3: I see many link.lds files in my build tree |
| 17:45:34 | GodEater | I'll see if I can rescue the 30GB drive first |
| 17:45:54 | GodEater | if not, the 20GB might be a plan |
| 17:46:02 | Febs | GodEater, dare I ask what the "Griffin" is? :) |
| 17:46:15 | linuxstb_ | saratoga3: Here's my wma2wav directory - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/wma2wav.zip |
| 17:46:38 | linuxstb_ | I cleaned it up, fixed the line-endings, fixed SOURCES, and renamed config.h to wma_config.h |
| 17:46:38 | markun | linuxstb_: so you have a working wma decoder now? |
| 17:46:49 | saratoga3 | markun: in the uisim anyway |
| 17:46:50 | GodEater | Febs: see PM |
| 17:46:50 | linuxstb_ | Didn't try running it... |
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| 17:48:47 | markun | linuxstb_: I get undefined references to read, write, close, malloc and free |
| 17:48:54 | markun | and realloc |
| 17:48:59 | linuxstb_ | With my zip ? |
| 17:49:01 | markun | yes |
| 17:49:08 | linuxstb_ | For sim or target? |
| 17:49:12 | markun | target |
| 17:49:14 | linuxstb_ | I only tested building in a sim. |
| 17:49:24 | linuxstb_ | So that will need fixing... |
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| 17:49:59 | linuxstb_ | saratoga3: Even if you don't test running it on a target, it's best to compile for a target and make sure it compiles cleanly - as markun discovered... |
| 17:50:09 | markun | I don't know if it's against the gsoc rules, but I wouldn't mind working a bit on it if it's in svn |
| 17:50:48 | saratoga3 | linuxstb: what did you change ? |
| 17:51:04 | dionoea | Bagder: did you get my messages ? |
| 17:51:21 | markun | saratoga3: "fixed the line-endings, fixed SOURCES, and renamed config.h to wma_config.h" |
| 17:51:37 | saratoga3 | missed that |
| 17:51:47 | saratoga3 | i didn't change the config |
| 17:51:52 | GodEater | dionoea: he's marked away at the moment |
| 17:51:57 | saratoga3 | will look into that link error now |
| 17:52:13 | markun | saratoga3: or just continue with linuxstb_'s folder |
| 17:52:40 | markun | or do you mean the missing malloc etc? |
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| 17:55:46 | saratoga3 | yes, looking at malloc now, fixed the rest |
| 17:55:59 | saratoga3 | where do I get at malloc in rockbnox? |
| 17:56:02 | saratoga3 | rockbox |
| 17:56:53 | linuxstb | You write one yourself... |
| 17:57:06 | saratoga3 | preglow told me we had a malloc function now |
| 17:57:14 | saratoga3 | so i stopped removing calls to malloc |
| 17:57:17 | linuxstb | The codec lib contains a simple malloc - you could use that. |
| 17:57:33 | saratoga3 | yes, theres jsut a few calls left, i think a basic one would be fine |
| 17:57:44 | saratoga3 | how do I link it? |
| 17:57:59 | linuxstb | You don't link the codec lib to your plugin - copy and paste the code |
| 17:58:07 | saratoga3 | ok |
| 17:58:26 | linuxstb | You need to initialise it with some memory - is your plugin grabbing the audio buffer? |
| 17:59:06 | markun | saratoga3: but if you think some mallocs are not needed it's a good idea to remove them anyway |
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| 18:08:33 | saratoga3 | linuxstb: can I just unsigned char mallocbuf[65000]; for the malloc buffer? |
| 18:14:52 | markun | saratoga3: I don't think the codec buffer is that big, is it? |
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| 18:36:20 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: having dismantled this 3G, it's pretty clear it's not a loose connection, but a dead hard drive - so that 20GB drive you have might be necessary |
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| 18:42:43 | linuxstb_ | saratoga3: The plugin buffer (the entire space for your code and data is 512KB). If that 65000 byte array fits (the linker will complain if it doesn't), then yes, that's fine. |
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| 18:43:32 | * | GodEater_ wonders wth linuxstb is doing |
| 18:43:49 | * | linuxstb shouldn't have two xchats running at the same time, both with auto-login enabled... |
| 18:43:58 | GodEater_ | hehe |
| 18:44:32 | GodEater_ | dismantling that ipod wasn't quite as tricky as I thought - the tools make it quite easy |
| 18:44:52 | linuxstb | But after an apt-get disaster, I now have gnome back. Although it's a newer version of Gnome, and the theme I was using before (the default I expect) doesn't appear... I don't like change. |
| 18:46:55 | GodEater_ | I can't think what the default gnome theme was called |
| 18:46:57 | Soap | off topic I bet, but a good and small and simple code-highlighting editor for X? |
| 18:47:05 | GodEater_ | it's "Human" with ubuntu |
| 18:47:13 | GodEater_ | Soap: Gedit ? |
| 18:47:27 | GodEater_ | or are you adverse to the rest of gnome ? |
| 18:47:38 | Soap | Gnome just is. ;) |
| 18:47:51 | Soap | I'll look |
| 18:48:21 | GodEater_ | there's always gvim too :) |
| 18:48:39 | GodEater_ | think that's just GTK based, rather than gnome based. |
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| 18:49:53 | Soap | ahh, I see now where gedit can do what I like. |
| 18:50:11 | Soap | I'm color blind, and never even noticed it was changing the color of the text. |
| 18:50:26 | Soap | I prefer black text and colored highlighting, but I see now I can do that. |
| 18:50:38 | GodEater_ | excellent |
| 18:50:39 | GodEater_ | :) |
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| 19:37:16 | amiconn | [16:31:27] * linuxstb curses Debian. I did "apt-get install iceweasel" and Debian decided to uninstall Gnome.. <== See, that's why I prefer graphical package manager. |
| 19:38:20 | markun | amiconn: can you help this guy? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=11140.0 |
| 19:39:07 | amiconn | GodEater: Is the G3 single platter or dual platter? And do these old ipods use the standard ata connector or zif? |
| 19:39:34 | markun | amiconn: are there dual platter 30GB drives? |
| 19:39:42 | amiconn | I don't know |
| 19:39:56 | markun | me neither actually |
| 19:40:48 | XavierGr | linuxstb: didn't apt-get informed you that it will uninstall gnome if you choose to install it? |
| 19:41:10 | dionoea | XavierGr: some people never learn to read the apt messages |
| 19:41:13 | amiconn | markun: No I can't. I don't have an fm recorder myself, and it also seems to affect only some of them |
| 19:41:43 | dionoea | (in fact i began reading those after it uninstalled a few packages once which happened to mess up my system) |
| 19:41:44 | amiconn | The fm chip is probed by rockbox, and if it's not found, the radio menu is disabled |
| 19:42:09 | amiconn | Something is obviously going wrong with the probing, but I don't know what it is |
| 19:45:04 | GodEater_ | amiconn: looks to be single platter - the drive is tiny |
| 19:45:29 | GodEater_ | it's an MK3004GAH |
| 19:45:37 | amiconn | Then it's dual platter |
| 19:45:41 | GodEater_ | really ? |
| 19:45:42 | GodEater_ | wow |
| 19:45:49 | amiconn | GAH == dual platter |
| 19:45:54 | amiconn | GAL == single platter |
| 19:46:16 | GodEater_ | does it tell you the connector too ? |
| 19:46:26 | GodEater_ | I've not seen a ZIF so I don't know what it looks like |
| 19:47:26 | amiconn | Unfortunately not, as the product archives at storage.toshiba.eu don't list the 3004GAH |
| 19:47:38 | GodEater_ | 50 pin connector, two rows of 25 |
| 19:47:49 | amiconn | The ata connector is nearly the full width of the hdd, and 50 pin |
| 19:47:58 | GodEater_ | probably ata then :) |
| 19:48:05 | amiconn | The zif connector is only 1/3 of the width, and 40 pin |
| 19:48:11 | GodEater_ | not ZIF then |
| 19:48:24 | amiconn | I have an MK4004GAH lying around here... |
| 19:48:43 | amiconn | It's a bit more noise than usual, but apart from that perfectly working |
| 19:49:04 | GodEater_ | probably easier if I get linuxstb's 20GB into it |
| 19:49:20 | GodEater_ | besides, I already got a 40GB image |
| 19:49:24 | amiconn | (it's the one from my H140 I replaced with an MK8007GAH) |
| 19:50:08 | * | amiconn thinks our device comparison chart should list the hdd connector type for 1.8" hdd targets |
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| 19:52:20 | GodEater_ | good idea |
| 19:54:13 | markun | amiconn: there is also a ZIF-18 variant, but I don't know if it's used in any DAPs |
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| 19:54:50 | amiconn | 1.8" HDDs have a huge variety of connectors |
| 19:56:04 | amiconn | In addition to 50-pin ATA and ZIF, I know 3 more: (1) 44-pin ATA *at the long side* (same connector as 2.5" ATA drives) |
| 19:56:31 | amiconn | (2) the new CE-ATA, which is based on the MMC protocol |
| 19:56:36 | amiconn | (3) PC-Card |
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| 20:08:51 | DerPapst | good morning :) |
| 20:12:45 | Buschel | good evening :) |
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| 20:14:12 | amiconn | DerPapst: Confused AM and PM? ;) |
| 20:14:37 | Buschel | 20:14, that's clear definition :) |
| 20:14:47 | amiconn | yes, sure |
| 20:17:18 | DerPapst | hehe ;) just returned from work |
| 20:18:07 | Buschel | me too, first beer is opened already :) |
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| 20:45:43 | duckx | Latest build for ipod color failed to load with a -5 error ... |
| 20:45:48 | duckx | Any idea ? |
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| 20:47:08 | obo | duckx: how old is your bootloader? |
| 20:48:41 | duckx | Hmm, pretty old :) |
| 20:48:52 | duckx | About 8 mounth old |
| 20:48:58 | obo | yeah, it needs an update |
| 20:49:03 | GodEater_ | duckx: definitely update it |
| 20:49:07 | duckx | OK |
| 20:49:21 | GodEater_ | duckx: try using rbutil :) |
| 20:49:22 | duckx | What is the latest version of the boot loader ? |
| 20:49:26 | duckx | OK |
| 20:49:28 | GodEater_ | duckx: 1.1 |
| 20:49:54 | GodEater_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility |
| 20:50:28 | GodEater_ | anyone thinking putting that particular URL in the topic is a good idea ? |
| 20:50:43 | GodEater_ | and mention it on our front page more ? |
| 20:50:50 | duckx | Thx |
| 20:50:58 | duckx | Still working for Linux ? :) |
| 20:51:15 | linuxstb | GodEater_: We don't want to make it too easy... |
| 20:51:24 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: of course - we like the challenge :) |
| 20:51:55 | duckx | lol, thx for the tips, will try that deb |
| 20:52:32 | * | linuxstb notes that he did read the apt-get messages, but expected a reinstall to work. Turns out a 400MB apt-get upgrade was necessary to revive Gnome |
| 20:53:39 | * | GodEater_ hugs portage |
| 20:54:39 | duckx | Hmm, do you know where I can get the deb sources ? |
| 20:54:49 | duckx | I need to rebuild it for amd64 ... |
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| 20:56:22 | duckx | Ok got the SVN link |
| 20:56:28 | duckx | Go for compilation ! |
| 20:58:26 | linuxstb | duckx: If you just need to install the bootloader, just run ipodpatcher - it's available as a linux amd64 binary. Instructions and links are in the manual |
| 20:58:39 | duckx | Ok thx |
| 20:58:43 | duckx | I go for it :) |
| 20:58:49 | linuxstb | But "error -5" normally means you've installed the wrong build, or the rockbox.ipod file is corrupt. |
| 20:59:06 | linuxstb | Although you will definitely need a new bootloader for the current Rockbox builds. |
| 20:59:22 | linuxstb | (you'll get different problems to your error -5 if you don't) |
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| 21:00:02 | * | linuxstb wonders why Gnome has started to pop up a window prompting for a passphrase whenever he uses ssh |
| 21:01:10 | The-Compiler | Uh? Where is the build fot th |
| 21:01:12 | The-Compiler | Ups |
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| 21:01:21 | The-Compiler | *for the iPod Video 30GB? |
| 21:02:11 | linuxstb | Check the build status table (the first table on the current builds page) - there was a problem on the last set of builds. |
| 21:02:28 | cgoncalves | hi. i have a ipod 5g (video) 30GB. what is the correct tarball that should i download? the 30gb isn't listed on the website only 60/80GB (http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipodvideo64mb/rockbox.zip) |
| 21:02:59 | linuxstb | cgoncalves: Click on the "Archived daily builds" link at the top.of the download page. |
| 21:03:29 | cgoncalves | linuxstb: thanks |
| 21:03:37 | DerPapst | GodEater: You don't need any mbr if you get linuxstb's 20Gb hdd for your broken 3G. fdisk will do. |
| 21:03:52 | * | linuxstb makes a trivial commit to start some new builds |
| 21:03:54 | DerPapst | *GB either |
| 21:04:02 | DerPapst | i have one |
| 21:04:21 | The-Compiler | Now no build is there :D |
| 21:04:21 | DerPapst | FS'7327 |
| 21:04:22 | cgoncalves | linuxstb: ipod video or ipod video 64mb? |
| 21:04:50 | linuxstb | cgoncalves: "ipod video" is for the 30GB, "ipod video 64mb" is for the 60GB/80GB |
| 21:04:50 | The-Compiler | cgoncalves: There was a problem with the build-page |
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| 21:05:03 | The-Compiler | You should use the normal build |
| 21:05:16 | cgoncalves | The-Compiler: which is...? |
| 21:05:18 | duckx | Is there a way I sent the deb for amd64 if it builds fine ? |
| 21:05:24 | The-Compiler | Wait a moment, and the iPod Video should be there |
| 21:05:28 | The-Compiler | http://build.rockbox.org/ |
| 21:05:46 | cgoncalves | ok |
| 21:06:06 | * | linuxstb wonders how rbutil deals with missing current builds |
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| 21:10:07 | duckx | Damn segfault |
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| 21:10:20 | duckx | rbutil just segfaults when I launch it :( |
| 21:10:36 | duckx | Well not really, when I detect the device type |
| 21:10:43 | linuxstb | duckx: I doubt it's been well-tested on 64-bit |
| 21:11:00 | duckx | Do I need the rbutil.ini ? |
| 21:11:05 | duckx | in /etc ? |
| 21:11:52 | linuxstb | Yes, it needs to be somewhere. Not sure where though - I normally run rbutil from the build directory, where rbutil.ini lives as well. |
| 21:12:20 | * | linuxstb pings Domonoky to answer rbutil questions |
| 21:12:41 | duckx | Ok, works better |
| 21:13:11 | * | linuxstb pings Bagder to kick the build server |
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| 21:18:43 | GodEater_ | crap it fell over ? |
| 21:18:50 | * | GodEater_ hopes that isn't his fault again |
| 21:19:18 | GodEater_ | rbclient still hard at work here |
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| 21:19:57 | Widget | 'lo |
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| 21:22:37 | Widget | i've just bought an iriver h320 off a friend. i've updated the copy of rockbox on it to the latest version, and tried the mpegplayer. It just crashes with "PANIC Stkov main", even on the elephant's dream video. should it work? |
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| 21:25:47 | linuxstb | Widget: Someone reported that problem on a h140 the other day, and someone else tested on a H300 and it worked... |
| 21:26:10 | * | Domonoky sees rbutil questions.. |
| 21:26:51 | Domonoky | and yes it segfaults if there is no ini file.. :-) but it cant work without, so its not too bad.. |
| 21:27:55 | * | Domonoky dont think he can get a device detection via pid and vid working for rbutil on windows.. :-/ |
| 21:28:11 | Widget | should I try a different build or something then? |
| 21:28:31 | GodEater_ | Domonoky: that's what Cassandra said too |
| 21:28:40 | Lear | Almost sound like it could be a setting thing... |
| 21:29:06 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: is the build server stuck in a loop handing out jobs ? |
| 21:29:13 | GodEater_ | my server seems to be continually building! |
| 21:29:40 | GodEater_ | and it normally only manages to do about 2 |
| 21:29:53 | linuxstb | GodEater: I don't think Bagder knows the reason... |
| 21:30:16 | * | Domonoky could need ideas to detect / distiguish devices, the red mark devices on the bottom of this page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceDetection needs detection ideas :-) |
| 21:30:23 | GodEater_ | I just wondered if your build server was doing the same |
| 21:30:26 | linuxstb | Lear: Was it you that had the h140 problems with mpegplayer? |
| 21:30:32 | Lear | Yep. |
| 21:30:53 | linuxstb | Did you go back and try any older (archived) builds? |
| 21:31:15 | Lear | Yes, backed to June 12 or so (right before -Os introduction). |
| 21:31:25 | Lear | I'll just do a reboot, be right back. |
| 21:31:25 | linuxstb | But nothing earlier? |
| 21:31:29 | Lear | No. |
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| 21:34:09 | Domonoky | do the iaudio players have any files in as system directory (like in FIRMWARE) which must be there for normal operation ? |
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| 21:36:02 | Widget | so I'm guessing it's not worth me trying any other builds? |
| 21:37:11 | Lear | linuxstb: should I go back further (if so, any suggestion on how far)? |
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| 21:41:38 | duckx | Hmm |
| 21:41:55 | duckx | The boot loader just keep telling me: wrong checksum ... |
| 21:42:48 | duckx | I dowloaded the latest daily build |
| 21:42:57 | Domonoky | duckx: have you safely disconnected ? |
| 21:43:02 | DerPapst | also for the correct type? |
| 21:43:03 | duckx | Yop |
| 21:43:18 | duckx | It just gives me the same bad checksum |
| 21:43:36 | duckx | Finish with a D an not F (From what he expects) |
| 21:43:44 | Domonoky | which player do you have, and which version did you download ? |
| 21:43:47 | duckx | I safetly disconnected the drive |
| 21:43:59 | duckx | I got an Ipod video 30G |
| 21:44:15 | duckx | And I dl the video version (As I allways did ;) |
| 21:44:37 | duckx | Well, I will remove the .rockbox dir |
| 21:44:40 | duckx | And retry |
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| 21:45:08 | linuxstb | Lear: You could try the oldest available build, and take it from there... |
| 21:45:55 | Lear | Actually, I have older local builds than that... |
| 21:46:04 | Lear | 2 years old, in fact. :) |
| 21:46:06 | linuxstb | duckx: I thought you said you had an ipod color... |
| 21:46:13 | * | GodEater_ 's build server is currently working on the ipod-color, having gone through the entire chart so far |
| 21:46:17 | linuxstb | Lear: No chance of a segfault in mpegplayer there then... |
| 21:46:25 | linuxstb | s/segfault/stack overflow/ |
| 21:46:39 | linuxstb | GodEater_: Very generous... |
| 21:46:59 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: I like to feel like I contribute somehow :) |
| 21:47:48 | Widget | is there some way of debugging rockbox to find the cause of the panic? |
| 21:49:07 | Lear | linuxstb: May first work. A bit sluggish video, but it works. |
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| 21:50:25 | Lear | May 28 is good too... |
| 21:50:53 | Domonoky | H10 users: are there any system files in the SYSTEM/ dir which are different on the differen H10 players ?? |
| 21:51:18 | PaulJam | Llorean: can i pm you? |
| 21:51:31 | Llorean | Sure |
| 21:51:45 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: is your build server doing anything at all ? |
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| 21:52:03 | GodEater_ | I just checked on debussy - and rbclient is connected, but doing nothing |
| 21:52:58 | * | DerPapst likes to listen to debussy |
| 21:53:13 | GodEater_ | think this debussy would be most uninspiring |
| 21:53:20 | GodEater_ | unless you like the sound of cooling fans / hard drives |
| 21:53:31 | DerPapst | hehe |
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| 21:57:31 | Widget | do I understand it's relatively easy to test different builds? I'll do it as well, if so |
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| 21:58:09 | Domonoky | hm.. combine patchers and file checking could detect nearly all players. Only the H100/H120/H300 players are undetectable with this.. :-/ |
| 21:58:10 | GodEater_ | testing them is as easy as getting the zip file for them and unzipping it to your player Widget |
| 21:58:31 | Widget | won't it overwrite the currently working one, though? |
| 21:58:37 | GodEater_ | correct |
| 21:58:46 | GodEater_ | so back that one up |
| 21:59:50 | Widget | i thought I saw something about just running a different firmware from the old one by opening it in the file menu thing |
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| 22:00:04 | GodEater_ | you can do that too |
| 22:00:18 | GodEater_ | but you may run into issues with different versions of codecs |
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| 22:00:28 | GodEater_ | or other such incompatibilities |
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| 22:03:40 | Lear | linuxstb: Ok, now I'm pretty sure where it crashes: in init_settings, calling configfile_save. |
| 22:04:15 | Lear | An older build didn't have that problem, and once the config file existed, the newer versions worked too. Removing it makes it crash again. |
| 22:05:21 | Widget | Lear: what config file is this? |
| 22:05:41 | Lear | mpegplayer.cfg, in .rockbox/rocks |
| 22:06:13 | Widget | yeah, I don't have that |
| 22:08:51 | markun | Widget: do you have the latest bootloader? |
| 22:09:01 | Widget | markun: version 5, it says |
| 22:09:05 | markun | ok |
| 22:09:29 | Widget | that good? |
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| 22:10:41 | Llorean | Domonoky: Wasn't there some talk of having a file in place to identify the rockbox version, or are you talking about identifying them for the purposes of install? |
| 22:11:14 | markun | Widget: yes, it's the latest |
| 22:11:23 | Domonoky | if rockbox is installed its easy to detect, but the first time.. |
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| 22:13:58 | Widget | ahh, creating the cfg file empty fixes it |
| 22:14:09 | Widget | i can now watch top gear on my iriver |
| 22:14:15 | Llorean | Domonoky: I don't know if there's really a solution for first time install. |
| 22:15:59 | * | GodEater_ has a nasty suspicion that the build script is waiting for his server to build all of the rockbox distributables all on it's own |
| 22:16:02 | GodEater_ | might be a while yet |
| 22:18:06 | Widget | hmm, the a/v sync appears to wander +-5 seconds or so - that#s a shame |
| 22:18:31 | Llorean | Widget: What device do you have, and what framerate is the file? |
| 22:18:47 | GodEater_ | H320 I think he said |
| 22:19:33 | Llorean | So, then the important questions become "what resolution and framerate" |
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| 22:19:57 | Widget | it's supposed to be 10fps |
| 22:20:17 | markun | Widget: and a/v sync is fine on your computer? |
| 22:20:41 | Widget | 176x140 resolution |
| 22:20:48 | markun | I didn't have any sync problems for a long while |
| 22:21:08 | Llorean | Widget: What did you use to encode it? |
| 22:21:14 | Widget | mencoder |
| 22:21:34 | Llorean | At 176x140 it should play back without any concerns. |
| 22:21:49 | Llorean | Have you tried turning off frame limiting and frame skipping, and turning on show fps to see how fast it decodes? |
| 22:21:53 | markun | linuxstb: build hangs again? |
| 22:21:58 | Widget | i have done that |
| 22:22:06 | GodEater_ | markun: yeah it's got stuck somewhere |
| 22:22:16 | GodEater_ | and no handy swedes to sort it out |
| 22:22:17 | markun | GodEater_: your fault again? :) |
| 22:22:23 | GodEater_ | not this time! |
| 22:22:40 | GodEater_ | my server just keep getting handed build after build |
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| 22:23:22 | Widget | i have the mencoder line I used if that helps? |
| 22:23:33 | Llorean | Widget: "I have done that" doesn't tell me what it's actually decoding at. |
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| 22:24:11 | Widget | Llorean: good point - it varies a lot, it's between 11 and 14 atm |
| 22:24:31 | linuxstb_ | Lear: What does the debug thread display as the thread usage of the main stack after you successfully run mpegplayer? |
| 22:24:41 | Widget | Llorean: i don't know what the next two numbers mean |
| 22:24:52 | Llorean | Widget: They aren't important for our purposes right now. |
| 22:25:16 | Llorean | Widget: Have you tried the Elephants Dream test files? The one at 176x128 is expected to run at 18fps and 224x128 at 16fps. |
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| 22:25:41 | Widget | yes, I have the 224x128 one here, one sec |
| 22:25:42 | obo | GodEater_: same with my build server... |
| 22:26:06 | Widget | says 7.4 here |
| 22:26:18 | Widget | and is a bit jerky |
| 22:26:29 | Llorean | It's expected to be jerky |
| 22:26:36 | Llorean | Give it time to finish buffering, too. |
| 22:26:52 | Lear | linuxstb: 92% |
| 22:26:59 | Llorean | And both Frame Skipping and Framerate limiting are off? Both? |
| 22:27:00 | Widget | well, it's staying at 7 |
| 22:27:05 | Widget | off, or on? |
| 22:27:08 | Widget | one sec |
| 22:27:08 | Llorean | Off |
| 22:27:27 | Llorean | You can't test the decode speed with them on, they should always be on for normal playback, but we're trying to see about decode speed. |
| 22:28:05 | Widget | Llorean: now it's 10.7 |
| 22:28:15 | Widget | slowly speeding up |
| 22:28:38 | Widget | stopping at 10., actually |
| 22:28:43 | Widget | 10.8, even |
| 22:28:58 | Llorean | So the 11fps in your other file was with framerate limiting and skipping enabled. |
| 22:29:08 | Widget | yes, sorry |
| 22:29:41 | Widget | now it's about 15fps |
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| 22:30:16 | Llorean | Your other file should be decoding fast enough, then, that it's not decode speed that's the sync issue, if it's absolutely definitely 10fps |
| 22:30:30 | Llorean | Have you tried encoding it either under different settings, or with a different tool? |
| 22:30:49 | Widget | not yet |
| 22:30:55 | markun | Widget: and you are sure the 10fps file plays fine on your PC? |
| 22:31:14 | Widget | markun: i tested it just before copying it to check it works |
| 22:31:19 | markun | ok |
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| 22:31:37 | Widget | but not checked the sync in detail |
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| 22:31:49 | markun | could you check it again? |
| 22:32:13 | n1s | Lear: which newre version of gcc and/or binutils was it that you used to build rockbox? |
| 22:32:20 | markun | if it plays fine and you still get this problem with the skip and limit options on there is a problem with mpegplayer |
| 22:32:24 | Widget | markun: i will do, just on the phone, sorry |
| 22:32:47 | Lear | 3.4.6 (patched)/2.16. |
| 22:33:02 | linuxstb_ | Lear: OK... Any thoughts about a solution? mpegplayer puts a 4608 byte libmad buffer on the main stack, so it's in IRAM... I'm not sure if we should remove that. |
| 22:33:15 | n1s | Lear: didn't you use 4.1? if so with which binutils? |
| 22:33:47 | Lear | linuxstb: Not really. save_settings works when called from mpegplayer.c directly though... |
| 22:34:15 | Lear | n1s: I did. Used 2.16 then too. |
| 22:34:49 | linuxstb_ | Lear: You mean configfile_save works when called directly from mpegplayer.c ? |
| 22:34:59 | Widget | markun: well, elephant's dream plays fine from my pc |
| 22:35:23 | Lear | linuxstb_: Yes, it seems so. I fiddled a bit with the settings. Don't know for sure if it actually saved anything though. :) |
| 22:35:26 | Widget | markun: and so does my copy of topgear |
| 22:35:41 | n1s | Lear: ah, ok thanks, was playing around a bit in the weekend snapshot gcc 4.3 broke rockbox as did binutils 2.17... |
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| 22:35:50 | linuxstb_ | Lear: So that probably means it's only a few bytes over... |
| 22:36:07 | markun | Widget: and you have both skip and limit on when you watch the videos? |
| 22:36:12 | Lear | Pretty sure I saved now. Stack usage increased to 97%... |
| 22:36:16 | Widget | markun: yes |
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| 22:36:59 | linuxstb_ | Lear: Any idea how much stack a Coldfire function call needs? |
| 22:37:53 | Lear | Usually number of args + 1 * 4. |
| 22:38:12 | Widget | markun: the wiki says H300 users may want to apply some patch |
| 22:38:15 | GodEater_ | wouldn't that depend on the type of argument ? |
| 22:38:15 | Lear | And any saved registers by the called function, whatever that is. |
| 22:38:28 | Lear | Gcc might defer argument popping though. |
| 22:38:35 | Widget | markun: could that apply to the h320 as well perhaps? |
| 22:39:08 | markun | Widget: h300 = h320 or h340 |
| 22:39:09 | markun | :) |
| 22:39:15 | Widget | markun: thought so |
| 22:39:23 | linuxstb_ | Lear: I think we have two options - 1) Remove that large 4608 byte array from the stack; 2) Increase the main stack. It seems too close for comfort otherwise. |
| 22:39:30 | Widget | markun: but I still presume the framerates listed are without the patch |
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| 22:39:39 | markun | Widget: but it shouldn't fix the a/v sync |
| 22:39:53 | Widget | ah, i see |
| 22:40:40 | markun | but if you can't even get elefants dream in sync then I have no idea what you can do |
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| 22:44:28 | Widget | oh |
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| 22:44:57 | Widget | how do I check if anything is running in the background? like a database update or something? |
| 22:45:30 | markun | there is a hdd activity icon |
| 22:45:57 | markun | you can wait for it to go away before starting a movie |
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| 22:46:55 | Widget | can't see one, can't hear HD activity either (apart from when starting a film) |
| 22:47:16 | Widget | the mplayer video is a lot worse than the elephant's dream one |
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| 22:48:50 | Widget | can I encode in just 10fps or something? |
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| 23:03:10 | markun | Widget: yes, you can set the output fps to 10 with mencoder |
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| 23:03:49 | Widget | markun: ah yes, it likes that a lot more |
| 23:04:52 | Widget | markun: oh no, it's now completely lost sync and is running the video too fast |
| 23:05:44 | Llorean | Widget: Did you remember to turn frame rate limiting and skip frames back on? |
| 23:06:03 | Widget | good poitn |
| 23:06:04 | markun | I have to say I also have problems with mencoder from time to time |
| 23:06:22 | markun | but then the videos also play back wrong on my PC |
| 23:06:22 | Widget | yes i did |
| 23:06:33 | Llorean | I've only tried vlc and winff, so I don't know what quirks mencoder has |
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| 23:09:10 | Widget | it's a shame nuvexport doesn't do just mpeg2 |
| 23:13:37 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:13:51 | Bagder | one of the build servers fail in an interesting way, causing the build server script to go nuts |
| 23:14:05 | Bagder | I'm working on a fix |
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| 23:14:38 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: GodEater said that his server was repeatedly being asked to perform builds. |
| 23:14:47 | Bagder | exactly |
| 23:15:00 | linuxstb_ | So his server was failing in some way? |
| 23:15:05 | Bagder | nope |
| 23:15:11 | Bagder | all servers get this |
| 23:15:14 | Bagder | "Warning: rbclient@linuxstb.rockbox.org failed with ssh exit code: " |
| 23:15:23 | Bagder | (that's an exception) |
| 23:15:44 | linuxstb_ | Ah, so it's my fault? |
| 23:15:54 | markun | linuxstb_: can you take a look at this patch? http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/mpegplayer_fps_fix.patch |
| 23:16:01 | GodEater_ | hahaha |
| 23:16:14 | GodEater_ | linuxstb is to blame!! |
| 23:16:17 | Bagder | linuxstb_: it actually is, or rather that problem makes my script misbehave really badly |
| 23:16:21 | markun | it resets the fps counting after you leave the menu |
| 23:16:28 | markun | so you don't have to restart the video |
| 23:16:29 | Bagder | so while the problem still exist, I'm trying to sort it out |
| 23:16:50 | linuxstb_ | My computer's had a bad 24 hours... |
| 23:17:04 | amiconn | Bagder: We already had that once some weeks ago |
| 23:17:21 | Bagder | this problem? |
| 23:17:28 | amiconn | (runaway build script that handed out builds over and over, in a seemingly random way) |
| 23:17:31 | Bagder | I've not seen this before |
| 23:17:38 | amiconn | LinusN killed it iircv |
| 23:17:40 | amiconn | -v |
| 23:17:46 | Bagder | killing doesn't help this... |
| 23:17:55 | linuxstb_ | markun: You're patch doesn't look right - have you changed line-endings or whitespace? |
| 23:17:56 | Bagder | since it bounces back to the same pattern again |
| 23:18:16 | markun | what makes you say that? |
| 23:18:27 | markun | beacause I moved button_loop? |
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| 23:19:06 | linuxstb_ | markun: Ah, OK. It doesn't make it easy to see what you changed... |
| 23:19:13 | markun | yes, I know |
| 23:19:20 | markun | but it doesn't compile without the change |
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| 23:19:50 | markun | I could do it in 2 commits if you want (the first one breaking the builds) |
| 23:19:59 | linuxstb_ | Did you change the button_loop function? |
| 23:20:02 | * | amiconn wonders about nls' fix |
| 23:20:03 | markun | or the first one moving button_loop of course :) |
| 23:20:13 | amiconn | gcc isn't supposed to optimise away delay loops... |
| 23:20:38 | markun | linuxstb_: yes, look at the end of "case MPEG_MENU:" |
| 23:21:54 | markun | linuxstb_: do you like it in principle? |
| 23:21:54 | linuxstb_ | I don't recognise that code - it must be all jhMike's... |
| 23:21:57 | GodEater_ | more blame shifting... |
| 23:21:57 | markun | I |
| 23:22:05 | markun | I'll commit it in 2 times |
| 23:22:28 | linuxstb_ | So the FPS counter isn't paused when you enter the menu? |
| 23:22:53 | GodEater_ | Bagder: did debussy get commented out of the script ? |
| 23:23:02 | GodEater_ | I fixed it's lack of SDL / ccache |
| 23:23:04 | GodEater_ | =/ |
| 23:23:17 | Bagder | yes, I'll add it again soon |
| 23:23:24 | markun | well, it calculates the fps by looking at the total playback time and the total frames shown |
| 23:23:49 | Bagder | the table got some gaps now... :-! |
| 23:24:15 | markun | so pause doesn't matter |
| 23:24:53 | linuxstb_ | markun: I'm sure pause paused the timer in the past. |
| 23:25:17 | markun | linuxstb_: well, pause is not the problem |
| 23:25:22 | markun | that works fine already |
| 23:25:39 | linuxstb_ | So the menu doesn't pause playback? |
| 23:25:53 | markun | but this patch changes the fps calculation, so you don't need to restart the video to see the result of the changed settings |
| 23:25:58 | markun | it does pause |
| 23:26:13 | linuxstb_ | I mean that in the past, the fps counter was paused when playback was paused. |
| 23:26:25 | markun | yes, it is now as well |
| 23:26:27 | Llorean | linuxstb_: If you go to the menu, disable limit FPS, and resume playback, the new FPS value is valid instead of including time when limit FPS was on. |
| 23:26:31 | Llorean | If I understand correctly |
| 23:26:47 | markun | Llorean: exactly |
| 23:27:47 | markun | linuxstb_: for example, the gigabeat can playback a video at 55fps but the video is limited to 24fps, when you turn off limit it doesn't jump to 55, but slowly goes to 55 (and might never reach it) |
| 23:28:04 | markun | with my patch it does jump to 55 |
| 23:28:07 | linuxstb_ | Ah, OK, now I understand... |
| 23:28:16 | linuxstb_ | Yes, I guess that makes sense. |
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| 23:29:14 | linuxstb_ | But apart from benchmarking, users should never need to disable the limit FPS option anyway. We should probably move them into a "Debug! Keep Out!" menu... |
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| 23:30:19 | prestwick | I have been sent to make merry and annoy in equal measure! |
| 23:30:37 | Bagder | I take the merry part please |
| 23:30:50 | * | DerPapst finds that "Debug! Keep Out!" menu funny... a menu on his own hardware he isn't allowed to access ;) |
| 23:31:06 | prestwick | Sold! Righto, I have kdesvn, how do I go about getting ahold of the 60gb/80gb ipod video build? |
| 23:31:27 | amiconn | DerPapst: In german it doesn't say 'keep out'... |
| 23:32:05 | Bagder | prestwick: you mean the binary or the source code? |
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| 23:32:28 | DerPapst | amiconn: i use the english version. in fact i don't even know how to change it ;) |
| 23:32:42 | prestwick | binary, I wish to install on my ipod without delay! |
| 23:32:52 | DerPapst | prestwick: http://build.rockbox.org/ |
| 23:32:59 | Bagder | prestwick: then please follow the instruction in the manual |
| 23:33:01 | * | petur wonders if the german version says 'raus' |
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| 23:33:35 | amiconn | petur: No, deutsch.lng just says "Entwicklerbereich" (already long enough a word) |
| 23:34:20 | prestwick | Ah, okay, I've found the link to the 60/80gb build but its a dead link. |
| 23:34:35 | DerPapst | Entwicklerbereich is nicer than Keep Out! |
| 23:34:51 | prestwick | Auchung! Minen! |
| 23:35:01 | petur | oh oh |
| 23:35:09 | DerPapst | heh |
| 23:35:31 | prestwick | Ah! It works now. |
| 23:35:33 | DerPapst | sure a menu entry that says "Enter me and i'll blow up your DAP!" |
| 23:36:06 | Bagder | prestwick: fleshly cooked for you |
| 23:36:09 | Bagder | freshly even |
| 23:36:38 | prestwick | Hurrah! Thanks :D |
| 23:37:03 | Llorean | linuxstb_: I'd definitely be in favour of the limit fps and skip frames options being under a "Do not change - Debug" menu, or something similar. |
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| 23:39:17 | Bagder | GodEater_: check if debussy has zip installed |
| 23:39:32 | Bagder | "Warning: couldn't get zip from rbclient@debussy.pauken.co.uk/build-recorderv2" ... |
| 23:39:43 | Bagder | need to run |
| 23:40:17 | prestwick | Heeey |
| 23:40:20 | prestwick | tiny writing! |
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| 23:41:34 | DerPapst | Bagder: GodEater is already asleep. |
| 23:43:39 | prestwick | It lives! My rockbox'ed iPod lives! |
| 23:43:41 | Widget | hmm, i'm completely failing to use ffmpeg or transcode to encode to mpeg2. i think i'll give up on that |
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| 23:45:55 | prestwick | Hmmm |
| 23:46:05 | prestwick | Now my next question, how do I quit solitaire? |
| 23:46:44 | dionoea | doesn't the manual mention that ? |
| 23:47:02 | dionoea | else it's most like like long select or long menu or select+menu |
| 23:47:14 | dionoea | s/like/likely/ |
| 23:48:22 | prestwick | Yeah, just checked it. |
| 23:49:10 | prestwick | Can I output video to a TV with this? |
| 23:49:47 | linuxstb_ | Not with Rockbox. |
| 23:50:05 | prestwick | Aw snap |
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| 23:51:47 | Widget | btw, can rockbox on the h320 still play music and do stuff whilst connected/charging on usb? |
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| 23:54:54 | DerPapst | linuxstb: could you as an iPod user take a look at FS #7327 and tell me if you like the change? |
| 23:55:06 | petur | Widget: only while charging |
| 23:55:31 | DerPapst | s/linuxstb/linuxstb_ |
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| 23:55:38 | Widget | petur: charging not from usb, right? |
| 23:55:50 | DerPapst | brb |
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| 23:55:56 | petur | charging from usb |
| 23:56:29 | petur | you have to hold a button while connecting so it doesn't connect to the pc |
| 23:56:49 | Widget | petur: oh right |
| 23:56:58 | petur | gtg |
| 23:57:09 | Widget | which button |
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| 23:57:14 | Widget | ah, too late :) |
| 23:57:57 | Widget | night all |
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