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#rockbox log for 2007-06-23

00:00:02mentthe MD sounds like my old 486 hdd
00:00:43pixelmament: when did you last update your rockbox build?
00:00:49mentand everything i can do is list root of the ipod
00:01:23mentpixelma: 3 months ago (build 26/3)
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00:01:55 Quit ender` (" Sometimes I lie awake at night, and I ask, "Where have I gone wrong?" Then a voice says to me, "This is going to take more th")
00:02:01mentnow i got i/o error
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00:02:47pixelmaok, then I'll scrap my theory..
00:03:36mentthanks guys
00:03:42Soap(and gals)
00:04:11mentof course
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00:15:23 Quit thebean69 ()
00:17:43markunhi karim_ !
00:18:50karim_markun, hola, que tal
00:19:02markunbien, gracias
00:19:14karim_Terminé −−00:15:41−−
00:19:14karim_Téléchargement: 643 452 928 octets dans 2 fichiers
00:19:32markunkarim_: no longer in Paris
00:19:48karim_you got your year ?
00:19:52karim_or diploma
00:20:05markunno, it was just an internship
00:20:12karim_just for fun ?
00:20:15markunstill have to finish my report
00:20:19markunno, part of my studies
00:20:26karim_internship doesn't count ?
00:20:34karim_mais tu parles français en principe :D
00:20:46markunwell, I can manage
00:21:00markunand understanding is a lot better than speaking
00:21:08markunand writing is terrible :)
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00:22:29karim_c'est bien, bon garçon
00:26:01karim_hum I trying to mount an iso with fuseiso, I can't read the mount point ...
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00:31:14Darren05anyone here? i need a bit of help
00:33:11DerPapstSoap: i thought so. because i doubt that brigter LEDs increase batterie life about 4 hours ;) dunno if apple has changed anything else though.
00:35:02*DerPapst suggest that the IRC logs should use unicode.
00:35:31Darren05im trying to install Rockbox Installer X v1, and it keeps saying There is no disk in the drive?? what do i do
00:35:50DerPapstuse rbutil instead
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00:36:23Darren05have u got a link to where u can get that>
00:36:54DerPapstif you spell out your wrods maybe...
00:37:15*DerPapst wanted to hit backspace and not return :P
00:37:33DerPapstlaptop keyboards are just too tiny
00:38:32Darren05get a computer then or a keyboard :P
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00:40:38DerPapsti'm too lazy to take a big keyboard with me everytime i want to use my lptop
00:40:43linuxstbDerPapst: I thought Apple's quoted music playback runtime (which is based on playback without backlight IIRC) was unchanged between the 5g and 5.5g?
00:42:23DerPapsti'mk not 100% sure about it but iirc i heard (maybe the dude in the canadian apple store told me) that 5G did 16hours of playback and the 5.5G did about 20.
00:43:40*DerPapst bought his 5.5G in canada about 3 days after it was announced :D
00:48:12Darren05what do i do to install this?
00:48:29DerPapsthave you downloaded rbutil already?
00:48:30Darren05to get themes on my ipod video
00:48:48DerPapstafaik rbutil does install themes too
00:49:02DerPapstnever used it though ;)
00:50:55 Quit moos ("Glory to Rockbox")
00:51:10Darren05so i have to install rb installer x v1 first?
00:51:24Darren05then use rbutil for themes etc
00:51:34DerPapstrbutil installes rockbox
00:51:45Darren05oh ok
00:51:57linuxstbrb installer x is old and broken.
00:52:09DerPapstrb installer x v1 is some odd unsupported and outdated "thing"
00:52:38Darren05so ill just stick to rbutil for installing themes and all that
00:53:10DerPapstrbutil does anything you want (more or less). it installes rb, updates it, installes themes, freedoom wads.
00:53:58DerPapstand it is an official installer
00:54:13DerPapstso you'll always get recent stuff
00:54:55*DerPapst pulls out the rbutil advertising banners
00:55:23DerPapst"download rbutil today and you'll get one free theme of your choise"
00:55:57DerPapstand below that lots of very tiny text ;)
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00:57:37PaulJamcan someone tell me how i can add an albumartist to an id3v2 tag so that rockbox reads it?
00:57:52Darren05ok, whatever the hell i done now test is coming up on my ipod saying cant load rockbox.ipod: file not found
00:59:40SoapDerPapst: on the battery issue. Only (claimed) movie playback times have increased. Audio (claimed) playback times have not increased, nor have Rockbox playback times appeared to be different between 5 and 5.5Gs. I don't _know_, but I strongly suspect there is no difference in battery.
01:01:12DerPapsti think you're right
01:02:08DerPapstas i said that "info" is somewhen from sep 06 and might be wrong ;)
01:02:39DerPapstDarren05: is it a 5G or 5.5G iPod?
01:03:10*DerPapst is confused
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01:03:51DerPapstor at least i'm trying to confuse myself ;)
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01:04:49DerPapstmaybe because it's already 1am and i didn't get much sleep last night :P
01:04:56Darren05i think its 5.5
01:05:21*DerPapst 's mindscanner is running again
01:05:41DerPapsthave you ever formated your ipod in linux?
01:06:46DerPapsthmmm.. then my only idea went *plop*
01:07:05ansivirususe ext2 filesystem
01:07:09Darren05hold on a sec, this things reckin me head
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01:07:25DerPapstor even hfs+ :P
01:07:41ansivirussorry.. didn't mean to butt in :)
01:09:04pixelmaDarren05: did you install the actual rockbox build? It sounds like only the bootloader is installed now.
01:09:42pixelmaI don't know how rbutil works there - never used it and don't even have an Ipod
01:09:44DerPapstyupp.. check if there is .rockbox/rockbox.ipod on your 'Pod
01:10:20Darren05right, i think its done, its in black small text
01:10:39Darren05it had an error so i had to reset somthing on the ipod
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01:11:04Darren05no wait lol
01:11:20Darren05tis still broke :(
01:11:30DerPapstseens like others are confused too...
01:11:49Darren05ill just start all over again
01:12:01Darren05what do i do on rbutill
01:12:15*ansivirus is running an extremely old version of rockbox on an archos jukebox fm recorder :)
01:12:25Domonoky_Darren05: what have you done ?
01:12:46Darren05i tryed to install it, but it said there was no driver found
01:13:06Darren05then on my ipod it was a black screen saying there was a file missin
01:13:32Domonoky_you selected the correct device first ?
01:14:03Darren05yea ipod video 5th gen
01:14:16DerPapstis rbutil up to date on the wiki (except for the new detection stuff)
01:14:20*Domonoky_ thinks you just installed the bootloader..
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01:14:45Domonoky_the rbutil version isnt uptodate, but it should work without problems..
01:14:47DerPapstDarren05: check if there is .rockbox/rockbox.ipod on your 'Pod
01:15:03Darren051 sec
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01:15:23Darren05ipod is in disk mode, how do u get out of it?
01:15:27Domonoky_Darren05: there are 2 buttons for installation in rbutil :-) one for the bootloader, and one for rockbox..
01:15:54Darren05yea i seen that
01:16:12Darren051sec just get this ipod fixed
01:16:31linuxstbHold menu+select (after safely disconnecting)
01:16:38*Domonoky_ has now an rbutil version with nice buttons :-)
01:18:31Darren05right its out of disk mode and it has a black screen saying loading rockbox ... Eroor! cant load rockbox.ipod:
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01:19:27Domonoky_have you checkt if you have this file on your device ??
01:19:37DerPapstDarren05: check if there is .rockbox/rockbox.ipod on your 'Pod
01:19:47Darren05how do I do that
01:19:56DerPapstwindows explorer?
01:20:12Darren051 sec
01:20:52linuxstbDid you click on the button to install Rockbox?
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01:21:35DerPapstDomonoky_: have you hidden that install rb button?
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01:22:21Darren05i was installing the RIX and it had an error saying that it cant find the devise
01:23:34Domonoky_no.. :-)
01:23:51Domonoky_whats RIX ??
01:24:19Darren05rix.exe (rockbox installer v1)
01:24:32DerPapstdelete that crap
01:25:05Darren05it was like 50% and it just had an error, now my ipod is having an error with a black screen
01:25:19DerPapstDarren05: check if there is .rockbox/rockbox.ipod on your 'Pod
01:25:25Darren05and the computer wont pick it up
01:25:27DerPapst^ lol
01:26:03*Darren05 throws the ipod against the wall
01:26:13linuxstbDarren05: We already told you - rb installer x is old and broken...
01:26:14DerPapstso it shows you the b&w diskmode screen?
01:26:27Darren05yea, but this was before
01:26:50DerPapstdoes it says "Do not disconnect."?
01:27:03linuxstbDarren05: Then undo any damage it's done (e.g. restore your ipod with itunes), and use rbutil.
01:27:47Darren05DerPapst:its just a black screen saying rockbox boot kiader verson 1.1, then it says error
01:28:02DerPapstthat is not diskmode
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01:28:35Darren05yea ano
01:28:36DerPapstdiskmode is right after reset SELECT+PLY/PAUSE
01:28:52DerPapstand do that while connected to a pc
01:28:54Darren05ill give it another try
01:30:00DerPapsti guess the bootloader you've installed is too old to work with 5.5G iPods anyways.
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01:30:20Darren05right im in the ipod folder
01:31:04DerPapstrestore with itunes
01:31:21DerPapstthen reboot your ipod and use rbutil
01:31:38DerPapstand delete XIR or whatever it was called
01:31:55DerPapstit's too old to even work with your ipod
01:32:41Darren05lol im suprised someone on youtube is telling people to download this
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01:33:32DerPapsti guess even the video is berold
01:33:50Darren05ill send u the link
01:33:52DerPapstdated 2006 or something
01:34:11Darren05'how to hack an ipod' lol
01:35:22Darren05lookin at the comments, it was only added recently
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01:36:20DerPapstyupp april 2007
01:36:24DerPapstbut still
01:36:30DerPapstbetter use rbutil
01:37:04DerPapsti'm surprised the dude who made that video suggests to use loader 2 :D
01:38:06Darren05thats another one
01:38:06*DerPapst is using loader 2 too
01:39:49DerPapstavrilbgd is making lots of typos.
01:40:01DerPapstone of the worst videos i've ever seen.
01:40:29Darren05yea same
01:41:04DerPapsthahaha... 2:30 min... shows a video of a video playing on youtube.
01:41:29Darren05lol yea
01:41:55Darren05would he not just download the video and put it in.... lazy
01:42:01Darren05or just make one himself
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01:46:10Darren05lol @ 5.34 min
01:47:06*Domonoky_ commits nice buttons for rbutil :-)
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01:48:02ComputinChuckis there a way to improve the scroll wheel sensitivity in an ipod?
01:49:57DerPapstafaik no
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01:50:29ComputinChuckok, it seems really slugish to me
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01:55:13ComputinChucklooks like there's a feature request/task entry for it
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02:02:29DerPapstGood night everyone :)
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02:22:28suryeHm... is it impossible to run both apple firmware and rockbox at the same time on an ipod video? (select on boot or something) I ask because I use the h264 video, but I really want to try rockbox
02:23:59scorcheyes...the bootloader is dual-boot by default
02:24:23suryePerfect :)
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02:24:57suryeI had a feeling from the documentation, but I couldn't find it spelled out
02:25:02BigBambisurye: It is possible to dual boot. The manual tells you how
02:25:39suryeFound it!
02:25:53BigBambiThe manual is very good#
02:26:55BigBambiWhilst you are free to ask questions both here and on the forums, but you will find people more inclined to help if you have read the manual first
02:27:45BigBambiEnjoy rockbox, it is ace (although unfortunately performance on iPods is the worst of all targets)
02:27:51suryeYea, I am reading through it now
02:27:58suryeAh, that's too bad :(
02:28:12BigBambiGet a iRiver, iAudio, Gigabeat etc... :)
02:28:34suryeI like having video and 80GB :P
02:28:40BigBambiIt is even more amazing on those (but iPod is still great)
02:28:49BigBambiyeah, 80 gb is nice
02:29:21BigBambiYou will find video playback curently better in the OF on original firmware, but everything else better in RB
02:30:15BigBambiBe aware that on portalplayer targets (iPod, H10, Sansa), battery life is currently a bit worse in RB, but on all other targets it is better
02:30:35suryeIs the issue for video communication with the connexant chip, or just lack of interest?
02:30:54BigBambiIt is a combination:
02:30:54suryeOh, it's Broadcom... silly me.
02:32:30BigBambiThe iPod hardware is completely closed, so all progress has been made by reverse engineering, or datasheets for similar but different hardware, so it is difficult. As only the iPod video has the Broadcom chip, there is less focus on behlaf of core dev's, as they tend to focus on improvements that benefit al targets
02:32:59BigBambiHowever, if someone were to work out the Boradcom chip, it'd be gratefully received :)
02:33:09suryeThat certainly makes sense.
02:35:07suryeI'm curious, how do you debug software for the ipod?
02:35:17suryeOr any target for that matter.
02:35:25BigBambiPersonally, I have an iRiver H160 and a Gigabeat F140, and on those the improvement is unbelievable. The only drawback for you with a 5.5G iPod, is the video and the battery life. Everything else is awesome
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02:35:39BigBambiDebug in what sense?
02:36:14suryeWell, do you write code, then upload and see if it runs, or is there a process you can use gdb or some kind of runtime debugger?
02:36:35BigBambiI'm not an expert by any means - if you mean writing the low level code, dissambly of existing firmware in the absence of dtasheets is a first step
02:36:58suryeI'm interested in playing with the Broadcom chip, but I have little experience in embedded programming, especially in a closed system.
02:37:25BigBambiOnce you have some code running, yes there are debugging functions in rockbox, so you can write code for the system and look at the outputs, or for some higher levelcode use the simulator
02:38:05BigBambiTo get the Broadcom chip going, as there is currently no real idea on how to access it you would likely have to dissamble the Apple firmware to see how they use it
02:38:39suryeIs there any documented work by the RB team yet, notes or something, or is it totally square one?
02:39:01BigBambiAn additional complication is that Apple likely use the Broadcom chip as a black box - they feed it data using protocols specified by Broadcom, and then different data comes out. But as I say, I am not an expert
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02:39:12BigBambiI don't know I'm afraid
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02:39:46suryeSince it processes both audio and video, and seems to be touted as a complete integrated package, I'm guess the broadcome does work as a blackbox
02:39:58BigBambiMost core devs are European, so you are better asking later (it is 02.40 AM here) - linuxstb for instance is an iPod guru
02:40:04surye*integrated solution
02:40:33BigBambiYes, I think so, but I don't know what the detailed level of current knowledge is
02:40:36suryeAh, I'm at -8 :)
02:40:56BigBambi+1 here, I ought to be getting to bed!
02:41:02BigBambiIn a bit :)
02:41:24suryeActually, I'm at -7 right now, silly daylight savings
02:41:56BigBambiyeah, it always gets me. In fact, I've just moved to France from the UK, and I don't even know if it happens here!
02:42:16BigBambiI ought to find out by Sept/Oct time I supose
02:42:21suryeAnyways, I must run, but I am interested in persuing this, and will try to lay some notes and groundwork if nothing else for the other devs
02:42:38BigBambiIf you make any progress you will be lauded as a hero!
02:43:27suryeHeh, well, I shall return. See you.
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03:25:49webguest16Um... On the Bubbles plugin as well as other plugins, How many levels are there?
03:27:29webguest16Anyone there?
03:30:01scorchethere are 100 levels on bubbles...why do you ask?
03:30:33scorcheand please have a bit more patience..
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03:32:54webguest16I was on level 65, and it seems un beatable. have any hints, oh grat scorche
03:33:09scorchethere is no unbeatable level on bubbles
03:33:20webguest16Sorry about the poor english
03:33:49scorcheif you think 65 is hard, wait till 99...
03:34:26webguest16Have you gotten through them all? What does the text show as? YOU WON?
03:34:47scorcheerrr..yes to the completed part
03:35:02webguest16How hard is levle 99
03:35:05scorchethere is no you win animation or spalsh or anything
03:35:35scorchefeel free to code one in though...
03:36:23webguest16Ok. Il keep that in mind. I give kudos to whoever made that game, though
03:38:55webguest16Scorche, what player do you have
03:39:03scorchei have a few...
03:39:33webguest16Which is easier to play bubbles on?
03:39:56scorcheeach has their upsides and downsides
03:42:21webguest16Hmm... I was wondering. In bubbles, can you also controll the x axis as well as the angle for the new bubble?
03:43:52webguest16Would that make the game change at all as in ease?
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04:08:35webguest55can the cradle of the f40 act as a usb hub?
04:09:18webguest55why does it have that extra usb slot?
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04:10:30PhantmShadohey, I'm looking to encode a video for rockbox
04:10:45PhantmShadocan anyone help me as to what is supported?
04:11:07PhantmShado(as in what video and audio codec to use, I'm using ffmpeg for this if that's of any help)
04:11:46LloreanPhantmShado: See the PluginMpegplayer page on the wiki.
04:11:57LloreanMpeg 2 video, mp3 audio @ 44.1 khz
04:12:24Lloreanwebguest55: In the original firmware it can access files from an external device, I believe, such as a camera.
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04:16:25PhantmShadohow do i get to that page/
04:17:13PhantmShadonever mind, found it
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04:56:05Mode"#rockbox +o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
04:56:15Topic"if acts funny, use instead until things settle | An ad we found in Vegas:" by scorche (i=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
04:56:22Mode"#rockbox -o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
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04:57:33scorcheSoap and i found it after you guys all left
04:57:53toffe82good one ;)
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05:51:55alienbiker99hmmmmm anybody know waht moos wanted?
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06:44:55webguest64man i thought it would be easy to sell my S60. but i guess nobody wantz it (o well)
06:45:45scorchewell, it isnt a rockbox target yet, and there are no guarantees it will be...
06:46:32webguest64yea i thought they could use it for partz or somthing
06:47:15webguest64like for the connecter or w/e there working on
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06:53:04toffe82webguest64: is it working ?
06:53:37webguest64yes fully
06:57:30toffe82webguest64: how much do you want for it ?
06:57:57webguest64well 100-185usd
06:58:16webguest64somewhere in there
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07:04:32toffe82webguest64: wait that some progress are done on the port of rockbox on the S and you will find a dev who want to buy it :)
07:05:15webguest64yea i guess ur rite
07:07:41toffe82or try ebay they all go above 180 $
07:08:01webguest64yea ill try that thx
07:08:34toffe82or keep it and wait for rockbox ;)
07:09:46webguest64but i just dont want it even wen rockbox comez to it
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09:56:27pixelmaLlorean: around?
09:57:01LloreanActually, yes. I just sat down about 10 minute ago
09:57:50pixelma:) Could you change the occurance of "cvs build" in the "Posting guidelines" ?
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10:00:51LloreanIt now refers specifically to the 'current build' link on the left bar so the terms are more certain.
10:04:37pixelmaah, even better
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10:31:06JdGordonevening all
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10:39:46TiMiD[FD]hello there
10:41:25markunhey TiMiD[FD]
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10:43:04markunTiMiD[FD]: you haven't been here in a long time, right?
10:43:33TiMiD[FD]oh yes
10:43:37TiMiD[FD]a very long time !
10:43:52TiMiD[FD]I still keep an eye on the evolution of the project
10:44:14TiMiD[FD]that's life !
10:44:18amiconnWow, mr. multiscreen is back :)
10:44:27TiMiD[FD]oh you still remember !
10:44:37TiMiD[FD]it has been ... 2 years !
10:44:50markunare you still in japan?
10:45:05markunnice :)
10:45:06TiMiD[FD]I work here now
10:45:26TiMiD[FD]yes working abroad is nice !
10:45:41TiMiD[FD]I mean living
10:45:55TiMiD[FD]there is no way working could be nice ....
10:46:42markunwell, my work is nice sometimes
10:46:52TiMiD[FD]sometimes ... :)
10:46:59TiMiD[FD]you mean during breaks ?
10:47:11XavierGrwow Timid long time no see!
10:47:24TiMiD[FD]yes ...
10:47:35XavierGrStill in Japan eh nice!
10:47:40TiMiD[FD]I've been too busy !
10:47:48XavierGrI can imagine
10:47:54XavierGrdo you like your life there at least?
10:48:08markunTiMiD[FD]: which player do you use these days?
10:48:18TiMiD[FD]if I didn't liked it I would not stay here
10:48:29TiMiD[FD]Japan is a nice place to stay
10:48:41XavierGrthen I am glad that you like it :)
10:49:09XavierGrat sometime I will definitely visit that country
10:49:46TiMiD[FD]oh there are sure some spots to see here, but don't come during summer, it's HOT !
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10:50:11TiMiD[FD]my room temperature is around 35°C now
10:50:29XavierGrTiMiD[FD]: can't be hotter than here
10:50:32TiMiD[FD]markun: I still use my almost 3 years old iriver
10:50:41TiMiD[FD]doing the job just fine
10:51:00TiMiD[FD](had to patch the bootloader this morning to get it start but ...)
10:51:26TiMiD[FD]greece ...
10:52:31markunTiMiD[FD]: how very un-japanese of you to use the old iriver!
10:52:36markunand even a korean player :)
10:53:03TiMiD[FD]that's ok I know a lot of korean there :p
10:53:14XavierGrmarkun: well H100 is a legendary DAP :P
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10:54:09TiMiD[FD]yes, not gonna change it !
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10:54:46TiMiD[FD]whoops got to go
10:55:02XavierGrbye TiMiD and come again ;)
10:55:10TiMiD[FD]sure :)
10:55:11markuntake care
10:55:26TiMiD[FD]thank you !
10:55:31TiMiD[FD]you too all !
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10:57:21XavierGrhas been sometime since I last saw orange in my mIRC window :P
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11:02:18kfazzis anyone else as excited for sansa usb as I am?
11:04:07*JdGordon wonders what kfazz is talking about
11:04:22scorcheGSoC project, i imagine
11:04:37JdGordonphew.. I thought i missed a commit or something :p
11:04:51scorchepetur and austrian's project
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11:15:04PaulJamcan someone tell me if it is intended that when using custom filetypecolours the text of the selected line is drawn in the custom colour instead of the backgroundcolour when no backdrop is used?
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11:17:05markunkfazz: I'm not overly excited about it, but I don't own a sansa
11:19:44kfazzthat would make sense..
11:19:49kfazzi got one a few days ago
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11:21:32betahey there - is it possible to get rockbox to display album art?
11:21:42betai.e. the art thats built into the tag?
11:21:51scorchenot that way, no
11:22:00betawill there ever be a way for that?
11:23:39markunthere is a patch for album art, but it uses bmp files stored in your album folder
11:23:57betaah ok
11:24:27betawhat is rbutil?
11:24:41markuna rockbox installation and update utility
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11:25:55betaoh nice - thanks
11:27:14markunwhich player do you have?
11:28:39betagigabeat f40
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11:28:47markunme too
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11:30:25betai love it - its great
11:30:31betabetter than an ipod 10 fold
11:30:49markunI wouldn't know
11:31:04betai had an ipod for a day... sold it the next day
11:31:09betaand got the gigabeat
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11:31:56markunbut without rockbox the gigabeat is quite useless for me
11:32:13The_entropyhello everyone
11:32:20betayeah - the normal firmware isn't very good...
11:32:23betahello entropy
11:32:34betai just did entropy in my physics exam :-(
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11:52:04x1jmpWhat is the common way to debug Rockbox code on the player?
11:53:11x1jmpMy personal solution is to put some splash() calls into the code, to find the point where it crashes, but it takes a lot of time
11:53:47markunyes, that's what I also used
11:53:53markunand yes, takes a lot of time
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11:55:01markunif you can reproduce it in the rockbox sim it becomes easier to debug
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11:55:13PaulJamSlasheri: little Database question: can i use more than one condition in a format line?
11:56:19x1jmpyes, then I can use gdb, would it be possible to let RB create core dumps on the player to use with gdb?
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11:57:18markunx1jmp: I don't know. Maybe you can look into it
11:59:54x1jmpmarkun: I'm not very common to gdb, I'm happy when I know how to use it at all :)
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12:04:24x1jmpbtw what's the use of debug builds? The don't compile on most players anyway...
12:05:41amiconnDebug builds only work on the archos jukeboxes, and the iriver iFP
12:06:28Genre9mp3FS #7345 seems a very interesting approach for the 52 bmp-limit in WPS
12:07:23amiconnFor these targets there is a gdb stub that allows on-target debugging with gdb. For archos it requires the serial mod, a level converter and a pc with serial i/f.
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12:07:53amiconnI'm not sure what's required for iFP, I only know that it uses usb communication
12:10:47x1jmpamiconn: then I think the debug options shouldn't be displayes for other targets in the configure script, as it has no use
12:13:01SlasheriPaulJam: yes, you can use the and (&) operator
12:13:03peturamiconn: could gdb be used over a usb connection if the correct implementation is made on the target?
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12:13:33SlasheriPaulJam: or if you need or, you can list multiple format lines with the same name
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12:13:46Slasherithe first match applies
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12:14:11PaulJamSlasheri: thanks
12:16:00markunpetur: that's done by the usb driver of the ifp as well, right?
12:16:25peturI don't know, that's why I'm asking
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12:16:55markunI thought it was used for debugging
12:18:03peturwtf? I didn't even know we already had an usb driver....
12:19:29peturI have to compare that chip with the one in the h300... could be used as well :)
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12:21:25markunpetur: the player should then show up as some serial device?
12:33:17peturhmmm.. the isp1582 looks completely different beast :/
12:36:30pixieMy ipod refuses to mount or let me use fdisk and whatever to format it
12:38:21bluebrothertried emergency disk mode?
12:39:12pixieEmergency disk mode?
12:39:18pixieI put it into disk mode manually if that's what you mean
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12:40:30pixieIt'll go in to diskmode normally, but won't boot, it will show a picture of a folder with an exclamation mark on it
12:40:59pixieAnd then when I plug it in while in disk mode the filesystem is just completely borked and it refuses to mount and any partition manager I try it refuses to find it
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12:42:58bluebrotheryes, that's emergency disk mode
12:43:28bluebrothertried rebooting? In emergency disk mode the Ipod is just a removable drive, so you should be able accessing it.
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12:48:44pixiebluebrother: I've rebooted it and reset it more times than I can count
12:48:48pixiebluebrother: It gives the same image
12:49:01bluebrotherpixie: tried rebooting the PC?
12:49:10pixieIt's not the PC.
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12:49:33Overandpixie: sometimes windows and other OSes 'lock' a usb port, more or less
12:49:38pixieI don't use windows.
12:49:40Overandhave you switched ports?
12:49:46Overandany relevent info in dmesg?
12:49:52pixieYes indeed
12:49:56bluebrotherwell, afaiu the PC doesn't show the correct image.
12:50:19Overandthere's an 'un-break your ipod' entry in the wiki
12:50:29bluebrotherso, if the Ipod is in emergency disk mode maybe the usb handling of your pc is somewhat messed up
12:50:46Overandemergency disk mode is a bit clunky - but i've never had it not work
12:51:13pixieWell if its not in emergency disk mode it refuses to go in disk mode at all
12:51:18pixieIt just doesen't boot properly at all
12:51:33bluebrotherhmm. Sounds a bit like a broken hard disk to me :/
12:51:47pixieIt could be, it could not be
12:51:55Overanddoes it spin up?
12:52:04pixieWhen I boot it?
12:52:27pixieFeels like it, but I could retry to be sure
12:52:31Overandlike - can you hear the drive
12:53:00Overandthat's not a terribly good loking log there
12:53:02Overandlog sec. 0
12:53:33Overandhave you looked at ?
12:53:51Overandit's not likely to work, given what i'm reading here
12:53:54pixieYes, but how can I do that when I can't mount it or view it
12:54:08Overandwell, does the device itself exist?
12:54:17pixieWeird thing is, it fucked up and couldn't boot and I had the exact same problem, but then I could mount it
12:54:21pixiea day later I couldn't
12:54:43Overandif it was a rio karma i'd tell you exactly what to do
12:55:01pixiefdisk just says unable to open
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12:55:13pixieI mean, my machine 'finds' it and calls it sda, but you can't do anything with it
12:55:14Overand(they had a head stiction problem, sometimes they'd power down with the heads in the middle of the patter, and when you'd fire it up again you'd end up with a drive that couldn't spin up)
12:55:21pixieAny other program will just say broken filesystem or nonexistant
12:55:26bluebrothermaybe your cable is broken?
12:55:38pixieThen why would my ipod refuse to boot
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12:55:47pixie(ie. I doubt it)
12:55:49Overand(so on the semi-official rio forums, a rio employee gave a specific suggestion - turn it on, hold it this certain way, and slam it into your hand *really* hard, repeatedly)
12:55:50bluebrotherhmm, good point ;-)
12:55:59Overand(with the angle like that, it would eventually send the head flying, unstuck
12:56:00pixieWell, the disk is spinning
12:56:03pixieSo that's not the issue
12:56:06Overandyou'd get some bad blocks, but it saved it
12:56:09Overandyou know what?
12:56:15OverandIf it were me
12:56:26OverandI'd consider opening it and checking for lose IDE cable
12:56:32Overandloose even
12:56:38Overandis the ipod still under warranty?
12:56:43pixieI should think so
12:56:48pixieI have no idea actually
12:56:54pixieI'd rather not open it though
12:56:56Overandi'm sure there's a way to find out
12:57:07Overandwell - if it's still under warranty then the solution seems clear
12:57:09pixieI could ask my parents, they got it for me :P
12:57:17Overandif we can't figure it out, sendit back
12:57:21pixieWell, even if it is under warranty, I'm not in my home country for the next two months
12:57:25Overandyou may have a toasted drive
12:57:54OverandSCSI i/o error
12:57:55pixieI just wanted to see if there was anything I could do before I try that
12:58:04Overandi wonder why it's using the scsi subsystem
12:59:02bluebrotherusb disks are handled by the scsi subsystem on linux.
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12:59:10pixieWhat bluebrother said
12:59:26Overandi suppose that would explain why they're always SDX
12:59:31*Overand slaps himself in the forehead
13:00:01Overanddo you have another machine to potentially plug this into?
13:00:21Overandi'm aware that the iPod isn't booting, but if your usb subsystem is toasted on your linux install, you may have written a, erm... 'special' firmware
13:00:27pixiewhen I plugged it in a different port dmesg showed something different
13:00:38Overandpastebin it up
13:02:01OverandAre you running fedora?
13:02:10PaulJamSlasheri: do you see something wrong with the following format line? it seems to only check the first condition.
13:02:11PaulJam%format "fmt_title_score" "%02d. %s (von %s)" tracknum title artist ? albumartist == "Various Artists" & tracknum > "0"
13:02:17pixieNo, Debian
13:02:45OverandWell, that's the problem.
13:02:49pixiefu ;)
13:02:50OverandYour distro is too good for your iPod =]
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13:03:00pixieNice one
13:03:01OverandI'm very much a .deb guy
13:03:08pixieI'm currently at debconf :P
13:03:12OverandI have to use CentOS for some work stuff.. and it's fine, it's just..
13:03:16Overandso... windows-y
13:03:31Overand'service restart nameofservice' instead of /etc/init.d/whatever restart
13:03:33Overandsort of stuff like that
13:03:49Overanddoing a google query for your error is leading to some interesting results
13:03:55Overandalright well
13:03:57Overandthat looks sane
13:03:58bluebrotherOverand: you can still call /etc/init.d/scriptname ...
13:03:59Overandcan you mount it?
13:04:03pixielet's see
13:04:11Overandbluebrother: I didn't actually * see* a /etc/init.d dir
13:04:36Overandor i could have been insane
13:04:45Overandoh - i remember, it was something else
13:04:45bluebrotherwell, it works fine on my fedora box as well as on the CentOS4 I tried.
13:04:46pixieWhen I tried that I got the same error in dmesg again
13:04:58Overandbluebrother: yeah
13:05:01Overandapparently i was smoking crack
13:05:09OverandI just SSHed into it and verified it
13:05:28Overandmaybe i had gotten myself stuck in /etc/rc.d mode
13:05:48OverandI keep bouncing from debian/ubuntu-server to freebsd to centos
13:05:55Overandpixie: really?
13:06:03bluebrotherthat's what I like about Fedora / CentOS: you can still use that methods / edit configurations by hand.
13:06:14Overandso you're not getting scsi errors until you try to mount it
13:06:20Overandor fdisk it?
13:06:25bluebrotherdo the same with suse and it'll trash you all configurations once you make the mistake to run yast.
13:06:28pixiewhen I try to mount it it says its nonexistant, and then dmesg changes
13:07:07Overandjust a little food for thought
13:07:56pixieI wonder if it would work on windows :P
13:08:09pixieI once had to use windows to fsck it, and another time windows to mount it
13:08:29pixieBut being at a linux conference the odds of a windows machine around is very slim
13:09:26pixieehci is loaded here though
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13:11:48SliMMis there a new bootloader, because all my settings are reset after reboot :-(
13:11:55SliMMipod 5g 30 GB
13:13:21PaulJamSliMM: have you booted with the hold switch on?
13:13:34SliMMof course not
13:14:00SliMMand from time to time i get data abort
13:15:20bluebrotherSliMM: what's the date of your bootloader?
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13:15:28bluebrotheri.e., when did you install the bootloader?
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13:15:58SliMMit's the one with support for .rockbox.ipod inside /.rockbox
13:16:16SliMMsome time before devcon 2007 (the first one)
13:16:33bluebrotherwell, I don't know exactly when that was added, but a couple of months ago a new bootloader was released.
13:16:44SliMMi have that one
13:16:47linuxstbWhen you boot, do you see any text, or do you just get the Apple logo and then the Rockbox splash?
13:16:52SliMMso it's not the bootloader
13:16:56bluebrotherusing an old bootloader with a new build usually results in data aborts while trying to play music.
13:17:18SliMMapple log, rockbox splash, rockbox (with default settings, like a new installation)
13:18:33linuxstbAnyone have any recommendations for a 48Khz-44.1KHz resampler ? I don't care about speed, just quality.
13:18:50Overandlinuxstb: that's an interesting question
13:18:57Overandare you looking for *code* or just an app to do it?
13:19:27linuxstbJust an app. Preferably for Linux, or capable of running under Wine.
13:19:42Overandi'd personally suggest using Adobe Audition aka cool edit pro
13:19:46Overandbut that's a commercial app
13:20:05Overandif you could track down an old boxed version of 2.0 or 2.1 that would do a lot of amazing stuff
13:20:13OverandI'm prety sure it'll run under wine
13:20:21OverandI'm sure Audacity does it, but i don't know know it sounds
13:20:21linuxstbI don't need lots of amazing stuff, just a resampler...
13:21:02OverandI've got very mixed feelings about it - largely due to it crashing during live performane recording, heh
13:22:40linuxstbI would normally just use "sox" - it sounds fine to me. I was just curious to know if there's any resamplers around known to be exceptional.
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13:24:47amiconnlinuxstb: Definitely not the rockbox resampler ;\
13:26:09markunlinuxstb: "Secres Rabit Code" resampler is supposed to be very good
13:26:16Overandi'd say 'oh, the audacity one is probably great!'
13:26:25Overandbut i have pretty mixed feelings about *all* the features there
13:26:58linuxstbmarkun: Yes, I saw that mentioned on HA.
13:27:14OverandI really hate resampling
13:27:27Overandlinuxstb: dare I ask the application?
13:27:28markunlinuxstb: I can't find the link to the main page, it was a japanese one
13:28:38linuxstbOverand: Converting a capture of a 48KHz digital broadcast to CD
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13:29:39linuxstbmarkun: Google pointed me here -
13:29:47Maddin94hello, i've got a sansa e250 loaded with rockbox. can you tell me, where i can find some plugins like rockpaint?
13:29:57bluebrotherplugins are included.
13:30:01markunlinuxstb: yes, just found that one too, must have been confused with something else
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13:30:09*bluebrother points to
13:30:37bluebrotherif a plugin is not included it's either not supportet on that player or no official plugins
13:31:25Maddin94bluebrother: i know, but i found this page: there are some plugins for other rockbox-systems. are there any plugins for my sansa, too?
13:31:40bluebrotherno. That page is outdated anyway.
13:31:58bluebrotherif you find the sources for those plugins you might be able building them yourself.
13:32:07bluebrotherbut I guess you would also need to adjust them.
13:32:40Maddin94ok, thanks
13:33:31bluebrotherplugins need to match the Rockbox version so I don't think it's useful to have binary plugins distributed separately somewhere anyway
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13:35:08Maddin94oh, i see
13:35:57bluebrotherto be exact, plugins don't need to match the exact version but the plugin api, which changes from time to time.
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13:37:33amiconnbluebrother: They don't need to match the exact api version, just something between min api version and current
13:40:47amiconnAnd the very reason for this mechanism was to make life easier for third party plugins
13:41:27amiconnBut the mechanism wasn't used much, and to day with the dozens of targets it makes less sense than ever
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13:44:04Maddin94nice support. thanks!
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13:48:15bluebrotheroh, wasn't aware of the min api version thing. Hopefully I'll remember once the question comes up again ;-)
13:49:22Maddin94but in wikipedia i read from a dictionary-plugin, is it available for sansa-rockbox, too?
13:55:54x1jmpMaddin94: the dict plugin is available on all targets
14:01:23Maddin94oh, i have found in on my sansa
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14:37:25Bertrixis it technically possible to get touchwhell input on an ipod with the hold switch on?
14:38:57markunI'm not sure
14:38:59Bertrixsince my hold switch is broken, in the on position
14:39:19bluebrotherafaik it's possible.
14:39:22markunI believe the buttons are disabled in hardware by the hold switch
14:39:33Bertrixmarkun, that is what i was wondering
14:39:43bluebrothercan't you just open up the Ipod and switch the broken hold switch?
14:40:02bluebrotherhmm. Doesn't rockboy use the hold switch for some function?
14:40:02Bertrixi'm afraid to damage the housing
14:40:21Bertrixif all else fails, that'll be the only option ofcourse
14:40:30Bertrixsince apple refuses RMA
14:40:31markunit would be my 1st option
14:40:36bluebrotherwell, can you turn on the Ipod with hold enabled btw?
14:40:55bluebrothermy Ipod doesn't turn on with hold enabled.
14:40:59Bertrixby inserting usb cable and pulling it straight out againg, it goes to rockbox, which resets since hold is on
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14:41:35bluebrotherah. Usually I don't have a usb cable and port around when I want to use the player ...
14:42:30bluebrotherwhat Ipod is it btw? Opening is quite easy on the mini.
14:42:57Bertrix2nd gen
14:43:11Bertrixdamn typo 1'st gen
14:43:47bluebrotherhmm. No idea about the nano. But I guess there are enough opening guides around on the web.
14:43:55pixieSuppose my ipod is broken..
14:43:58pixieShould send it in
14:44:01pixieBut I think my warranty is void
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14:44:06pixieBecause its 1,5 years
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14:44:11Bertrixtried, but they refuse to give warranty
14:44:12pixieAnd I think the warranty is one year.
14:44:17Bertrixalthough in belgium they should give 2 years
14:44:39Bertrixi'll never buy one again
14:44:49Bertrixhad a problem after 6 months
14:45:05pixieI've never had problems until this exact moment
14:45:07Bertrix"thats a user error that your usb cable is broeken"
14:45:31Bertrixit was half open even in the box when it was new, just became worse
14:50:34Bertrixi pushed the hold button really hard, now it's stuck in off position
14:53:33Bertrixnow need a way to lock the keys in software the touchwheel goes crazy in my pocket
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15:03:26DomonokyBertrix: if you can code, a software lock is possible..
15:03:43Bertrixyeah I can code, i'm reading the input code now
15:03:46Bertrixshouldn't be that hard
15:03:55DomonokyBertrix: the functionality is already there (used with the archos players)
15:04:22Domonokythe old archos player didnt had a hold, so there is a software hold somewhere
15:04:29Bertrixnow only find a good way how ti trigger it
15:04:38Bertrixsomething that wont happen in my pocket
15:04:46Domonokya button combination.
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15:18:10peturI think there's already some virtual hold code in rockbox
15:18:49peturAnd I once wrote a patch for somebody to use play (long press) as hold but that was for an iriver
15:19:32SliMMwell, i wasn't right back, but i now am back
15:19:38peturBertrix: petur/virtual_hold.patch">
15:19:52SliMMi don't think it's the bootloader
15:19:53peturbut it was just for recording
15:20:17SliMMif you haven't recently released a bootloader (in the past week or so) i have, tha latest one
15:20:38SliMMsorry for the typos
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15:35:05Bertrixpetur, tx
15:37:58PaulJamSliMM: you could try running chkdsk in case there is a corrupt filesystem preventing rockbox from saving/loading the config.
15:38:21SliMMhow do i do that? :)
15:38:34PaulJamare you using windows?
15:38:41SliMMyes :-<
15:42:47PaulJamthen goto start=>run and enter "cmd". and then type "chkdsk H: /F" (replace the "H:" with the driveletter of your player) in the console.
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15:53:03Bertrixthe hold is back on now, so i opened and flipped the switch
15:53:12Bertrixstill on hold, the switch is broken internally...
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15:59:22betahey a tiny bug found on rockbox for gigabeat f40
15:59:38markunbeta: only one? :)
15:59:42betaha :-P
16:00:54betawhen i'm playing a song and stop/pause it mid way, and then go and select a different song, it will play the song that was previously playing for about a second or so before swapping to the new song... maybe there should be some way of flushing out the buffer on loading a track?
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16:01:26markunbeta: ok, I'll try to reproduce it
16:03:05markundo you have crossfading on?
16:03:34markunit happens both when stopped and when paused?
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16:03:43betai believe so.. let me check
16:05:34betamore so on pause than stop, but yes on both
16:05:35markunwith pausing I can reproduce it
16:05:43markunI'll try stop again
16:05:50betastop seems like it does it a LOT less
16:05:52betabut it's still there
16:06:22betaa millisecond maybe
16:06:34markunI can't hear it
16:06:46betahm.. hang on let me try again..
16:07:04markunperhaps it depends on other settings
16:07:51betamy mistake
16:07:53betajust on pause
16:08:53betaanyway, there you go! i'd better get off... I expect to see a bug fix in the next 5 minutes... haha :-P
16:09:03markunI'm not that quick
16:09:09betahehe - see you!
16:09:13markunbye bye
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16:14:33shitwolfHi everyone!
16:15:08shitwolfI just got my ipod color repaired after having it laying around useless in a drawer for about a year....
16:15:34shitwolfI installed rockbox on it last year, but i forgot all bout how i did it.
16:15:55peturshitwolf: check out RockboxUtility
16:16:09shitwolfNow i see there's finally a movieplayer and everything, and would like to upgrade my rockbox-version.
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16:18:16markunshitwolf: some info on the movie player:
16:19:48shitwolfbut, what i was wondering... to upgrade to a newer version, is all i have to do download it and unpack it to root level on my ipod (and rename the already existing .rockbox dir to .rockob.old)?
16:20:38peturshitwolf: your bootloader will be too old, install the newer one
16:21:16peturand remove rockbox.ipod from the root
16:22:26shitwolfok. thanks! but will i have to install the bootloader for everytime i want to upgrade? or is it just that i have one thats one year old?
16:22:39peturjust because itś so old
16:22:52peturthings changed quite a bit in 1 year
16:23:25*petur curses the int.keyboard implementation of linux
16:23:36shitwolfcool! is the rockboxutil stable and safe from linux?
16:24:29peturshould work
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16:25:22shitwolfnice! just got visitors, so i'll have to go ahead with it tomorrow. I'll probably be back to bug you then.
16:25:38shitwolfthanks for the advice and keep up the good work!
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16:25:53peturhaha, I'm probably not here tomorrow :)
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16:29:25peturDomonoky: what do I need to do to make rbutil build again after your commit? make clean didn't help
16:29:56Domonokyah, you have to build bin2c in the icons dir..
16:30:16Domonokyand run bin2c like this: "bin2c *.png"
16:30:53bluebrotherpetur: I added some Makefile thingy shortly ago on my tree.
16:30:56Domonokythen you have to adatp the Makefile so it builds and links those generated files to rbutil..
16:31:12peturgimme :)
16:31:16Domonokybluebrother: you made some Makefile for this ?
16:31:26Domonokybluebrother: check it in if it works :-)
16:31:30bluebrotherI extended the Makefile a bit.
16:35:02bluebrotherwhat do you think about that? I'm not sure if I should handle the icons that way ...
16:36:12peturrbutilFrm.cpp:(.text+0xb73f): undefined reference to `rembootloader_btn_png'
16:36:37Domonokynot, thats in the generated file..
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16:37:42Domonokyand the resulting .o files are linked to rbutil ?
16:38:01peturseems I missed a step
16:38:27bluebrotherpetur: tried my Makefile diff or building by hand?
16:38:30peturwhy do we have a make file when there's this extra stuff to be done
16:38:39Domonokyhm, the makefile bluebrother posted should link it to rbutil..
16:38:49peturbuilding by hand, will now try your diff
16:38:56bluebrotherI just rechecked, the diff works for me.
16:39:02Domonokybecause i am no makefile guru, and Code::Blocks does it for me :-)
16:39:14bluebrotherI also made the compiling output a bit nicer −− everyone ok with that?
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16:39:33Domonokyno problem, please enhance it :-)
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16:40:01bluebrotherMakefiles aren't that hard, you just need to make sure you won't get lost in it ;-)
16:40:10peturok, that worked
16:40:51bluebrotherI was wondering if I should let to the Makefile in the icons folder the initial compiling step.
16:41:17bluebrotherbut something screwed up when I tried it. Guess I'm not good enough with Makefiles yet ;-)
16:41:18Domonokywould be good..
16:42:09bluebrotherI also somewhat dislike that I need to add all icon files to the top of the Makefile ...
16:42:59Domonokywe need a makefile guru.. this should be possible to avoid :-)
16:43:25Domonokythe bmp building system of rockbox already does something like this.. *who wrote it?* :-)
16:45:56bluebrothernot me. But I can look into the Makefile ;-)
16:46:09bluebrother(well, I'm trying to do)
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17:06:05JdGordonPaulJam_: hey, you mentioned the line colours before... you sayign the selection shouldnt use the chosen colour?
17:06:17*bluebrother found a problem with this Makefile stuff
17:08:54PaulJam_JdGordon: well, after i accidently removed my backdrop. i was a little bit surprised when i entered the filebrowser, because my custom colours differ only slightly form my foregroundcolour. so there was only little contrast between the selectorbar and the actual text.
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17:09:52PaulJam_why doesn't the selectorbar use the custom colour?
17:10:02JdGordonbecause that looks very wierd
17:10:17PaulJam_ah, ok
17:10:29*JdGordon thought that looked more wierd that having the text coloured
17:10:36JdGordonits just up to the user to set normal colours
17:10:48JdGordonsong finshed... bed time, we'll pick this up tomrow :p
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17:11:20markunPaulJam_: which colour does it have now?
17:11:27markunalways black?
17:11:51PaulJam_the selectorbar uses the foregroundcolour
17:12:12markunand which colour were you expecting?
17:13:47markunmaybe I should first try to find out what 'the custom colours' before I ask all these questions
17:14:01PaulJam_i was expecting that the text uses the backgreundcolour/transparent like when using a backdrop.
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17:16:26PaulJam_but i think there was some talk about makung the colour of the selectorbar customiseable too.
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17:30:35bluebrotherok, looks like I got the Makefile thing working ... somebody want to try? petur?
17:31:12bluebrothersame url as before.
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17:33:32peturbluebrother: link not working?
17:34:44bluebrotherworked for me 2 mins ago ... looks like my uni has problems with the web server atm :(
17:34:54peturso I see ;)
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17:39:02peturbluebrother: worked ok...
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17:39:30bluebrotherok, then I'll commit
17:40:33LloreanPaulJam: Basically, I think the idea is to separate "Inverse" from "Highlight"
17:41:28LloreanWith "Highlight" the select bar would be a user-selected color, the text would not change colors (unless text color == highlight color, in which case the text is shown as the background color, similar to currently).
17:41:55LloreanWith "Inverse" it follows the old behaviour, the highlight bar uses the color the text would've been, and the text uses the background/backdrop color
17:42:29LloreanRight now it's kinda a bad point between the two
17:42:39bluebrotherso now only the MacOS makefile is left adjusting. Don't know enough about that though ...
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17:45:03Domonokythats a job for linuxstb :-)
17:45:34bluebrotherpetur: you're on ubuntu?
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17:45:54bluebrothercool, so it works with my beloved dash :)
17:46:50bluebrotherI really don't understand why ubuntu uses that as default shell. Debian, Gentoo, etc. I could imagine much more doing such a step
17:47:05bluebrotheranyway, as it's working ... ;-)
17:48:47LloreanIf I understand correctly, it was suggested for Debian and they rejected it.
17:49:03LloreanBut yeah, it really doesn't seem like the kind of thing a "Just works" distribution would do.
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17:50:47PaulJamLlorean: thanks for the info. sounds good.
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17:54:54sujdikhey y'all.. can anyone tell me if there's a project to control rockbox on a pc? I mean, like a Gui to change the config.cfg, build database, these kind of things..
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17:57:28rabHey im on linux using an iPod mini 2nd gen. ipodpatcher errors when i try to install the bootloader, my ipod is at /dev/sdg
17:58:30Domonokywhat are the errors ?
17:58:48rabbad boot sector size
17:59:15rabSector size = 2048 bytes
17:59:50Domonokyhave you somehow modified the contents of the hd of your ipod ?
18:00:29bluebrotherDomonoky: where is the used configuration stored? In rbutil.ini?
18:01:03Domonokybluebrother: there are two configurations, the fixed one rbutil.ini and a user configuration..
18:01:29bluebrotherok. Which is the user configuration file?
18:01:45rabDomonoky: can i just reformat my ipod?
18:02:19raband split it back into 2 partitions, or would that be useless
18:02:32Domonokyrab: better not, use itunes to restore, is better..
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18:02:33bluebrothershould that be placed in the same folder as rbutil?
18:02:44bluebrotheras I seem to fail finding that file
18:02:52Domonokybluebrother: it gets created somewhere.. :-)
18:02:54*rab has no itunes :/
18:03:01Domonokydepending on the system..
18:03:07bluebrother"somewhere" sounds good :)
18:03:30*bluebrother found it.
18:03:41Domonokythe code says: its in the app dir, or in the normal "userDataDir" ..
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18:04:16Domonokythis UserDataDir is from wx and point to a fitting position, depending on the OS.. :-)
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18:05:37*Domonoky would suspects its somewhere in your home dir in Linux..
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18:08:46rabDomonoky: what shall i do
18:09:21Domonoky_i dont know, does the original firmware work ?
18:10:09Domonoky_and how are you calling ipodpatcher ?
18:10:30rab./ipodpatcher /dev/sdg1
18:10:42Domonoky_start it without the parameter..
18:11:00rabNo ipods forun
18:11:01Domonoky_it should detect it it self..
18:11:25rabyeah but it doesnt.
18:11:29Domonoky_so, somehow you ipod hd doesnt look like a normal ipod..
18:11:45Domonoky_and you its really a mini 2g and not a nano 2g ?? :-)
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18:12:01rabipod mini2g
18:12:13sujdikrab: why don't you download itunes, run on wine, restore your ipod and try again?
18:12:24Domonoky_best would be to restore it with itunes..
18:12:31bluebrotherrab: have you installed something to the Ipod? Like IPL?
18:12:39linuxstb_rab: ipodpatcher needs a whole disk device, not a partition - use /dev/sdg
18:12:58rabwait, this is a nano
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18:13:06rabmy bad :/
18:13:13bluebrotherbesides, there is a way of manually restoring the Ipod. No urgend need for Itunes
18:13:25sujdikhows that?
18:13:28bluebrothererr, it's a nano 2G or 2 Gig?
18:13:54rab2ng gen
18:13:59rab2 gig
18:14:17bluebrotherRockbox won't run on the 2nd gen Nano.
18:14:17markunif it's 2nd gen you are out of luck with rockbox
18:14:33rabjust my luck
18:14:37bluebrotherit runs on the 2nd gen mini, but unfortunately not nano
18:14:52markunand it might be a long wile before we can support it if ever
18:15:08linuxstbAround the same time as the Zune...
18:15:24bluebrothernah, I guess the zune will come a tiny bit later ;-)
18:15:28rabwhat can i do with it. Ipod linux?
18:15:35linuxstbSell it...
18:15:53linuxstbThere's no third-party software you can run on it at the moment.
18:16:04bluebrotherrab: the nano 2nd gen is a completely different beast than all other Ipods. Different hardware, and the firmware is completely encrypted
18:16:16bluebrotherthus, nobody has run own code on that Ipod.
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18:16:29markunlinuxstb: I even read a post about a 'zune hacker' over at zune-linux who wanted to make an OS for the zune, keep the source closed and charge money for it
18:16:31rabi will wait i guess
18:17:04markunlinuxstb: such nice people over there
18:17:52GodEater_markun: look on the bright side - he's going to get very frustrated trying to run his own code on it ;)
18:19:41markunlinuxstb, GodEater_:
18:20:16markuneh, sorry, that was not the right post I guess :)
18:20:27rdswill someday FS #5960 be merged?
18:20:58markunit is the right post, I misread "at which point no part of it will be released fully opensource"
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18:22:03bluebrotherhehe ... "you sound serious"
18:24:01linuxstbAnd a nice post from zunepet bringing him back to earth...
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18:25:13markunalways out to ruin someone's fun :)
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18:32:19markunlinuxstb: damn, they found us :)
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18:37:41markunthegeek: what's the matter?
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18:37:52thegeekI sooo badly want to crush all those idiots
18:38:28thegeekstupid kids with stupid expectations "I'm sure it will be done eventually, _everything_ is cracked eventually"
18:38:50markunjust dreamers
18:38:57thegeekwhenever a breakthrough happens it is usually because a few very talented people work very very hard
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18:39:22thegeekI'm preaching to the wrong guys;P
18:40:14alienbiker99how long did it take to crack the cps3 or w/e its called arcade system? that just got cracked like last week
18:40:59thegeekone very talented guy picked it up and worked on it
18:44:05*bluebrother looks at the front page and notices an accumulation of one first name :)
18:44:46GodEater_are you only allowed to work on rbutil if you're name is Dominik now ? :)
18:46:05Domonokyhehe :-)
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18:48:34bluebrotherGodEater_: maybe? Or I shouldn't commit changes to rbutil anymore ;-)
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18:49:06bluebrotherbut as I finally got around doing some actual work on Rockbox again ... ;-)
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18:50:10*Domonoky is happy to see more people working on rbutil..
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18:51:59*bluebrother wonders how much work it would be to use Qt instead of wx
18:53:14*Domonoky thinks this is to much works..
18:53:37Domonokybut it wouldnt be to bad.. but you have to rewrite many things..
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18:54:28thegeekthe definition of the zune-linux project:
18:54:28bluebrotherwell, I wanted to get some knowledge of Qt anyway. Let's see how my spare time evolves, maybe I'll give it a try.
18:55:42Domonokybluebrother: sure if find time to try this.. i am happy to help..
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18:59:07markunthegeek: interesting experiments
18:59:48thegeekthe results are not very suprising though;)
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19:09:39markunthegeek: not really no
19:10:43markunI've noticed myself that you it feels like you know less and less the more you learn about a subject
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19:13:33*jhMikeS seeks to lessen his ignorance: markun, did you ever try running the Gigabeat at 399 MHz? anything preventing that that you know of?
19:14:10markunjhMikeS: the CPU is rated at 300MHz (the -30 suffix on the chip) so I never tried it
19:14:30markunthere are also versions of the same chip with a -40 ad -53 suffic
19:15:03jhMikeSah, I see...I just read the datasheet and saw 400Mhz. :P the -53 would be nice.
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19:15:54markunjhMikeS: could it be a marketing thing?
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19:16:18markunjust putting -30 on it while it can still be clocked at 400 or maybe even 533
19:16:31jhMikeScould be but iirc they make chips and test them to get a rating
19:17:09markunmaybe the heat is not the problem but it just becomes unstable
19:17:13jhMikeSnot every one in the batch is I suppos it amounts to having fewer rejects ... something like that
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19:18:37alienbiker99wehat are you talking about?
19:18:47markunalienbiker99: the CPU in the Gigabeat F/X
19:18:57jhMikeSthat what I've read about it from various overclocking sites anyway in the past
19:19:29alienbiker99ah i see
19:19:56markunjhMikeS: we didn't seem to get a longer runtime by clocking the CPU to 200, so I guess at 400 it will not decrease either
19:20:27LloreanUnless we're making full use of the 400, in which case it might.
19:20:31markunof course
19:20:32*Llorean contemplates VCD again.
19:20:59LloreanIt might be worth adding to the debug menu with a warning, at least.
19:21:34jhMikeSYou'd really only need it with video anyway. I seriously doubt automatic boost would ever kick in for any audio except monkey's.
19:21:56markunjhMikeS: enabling boost did decrease the runtime
19:22:06markunwell, CPU scaling
19:22:27markunI don't know what caused it, didn't think there would be a lot of overhead
19:22:29jhMikeSI was think 300MHz would be CPUFREQ_NORMAL, and 400MHz would be CPUFREQ_MAX
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19:22:57markunmaybe toffe can check again with a multimeter
19:23:09markunor I should stop being lazy and do it myself :)
19:24:33jhMikeSno addition clocks are turned on for scaling, right? seems odd it should eat more power.
19:24:44markunyes, we thought so too
19:24:57markunbtw, there is still a strange problem on the Gigabeat
19:25:19markunwhen you start rockbox it consumes more in idle than when playing music
19:25:34markunif you stop playback and go back to idle it consumes less
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19:26:12jhMikeShmmm...anything we turn on besides IIS when playback starts and don't turn off?
19:26:35jhMikeSwhat if a voice clip plays? same thing?
19:26:52markunwe didn't test
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19:27:29markunthe 70mA you see is only after booting
19:27:45markunI don't remember what it was after playing a song, 45 maybe
19:27:46jhMikeSI've been messing with the pcm stuff more to have it do stops promply so while I'm in there switching stuff around...
19:28:40markunjhMikeS: and chance of connecting a multimeter to your gigabeat to check for yourself?
19:30:10jhMikeSsuppose I could
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19:33:34jhMikeSI can't remember if I blew the safety fuse in mine ... gotta check that ... I've done it many times
19:33:36markunjhMikeS: from the #gigabeat logs: "cold boot : lcd on 135 lcd off 72" "wps : lcd on 98 lcd off 30" "stop song : lcd on 96 lcd off 32"
19:34:57markunso something is wasting an extra 40mA
19:38:24jhMikeSno blown fuse...good to go :)
19:38:40markunwho knows, maybe the problem is already fixed
19:38:50markunjhMikeS: good luck
19:40:02*jhMikeS notices there's no rb revision/build date on the currents page :(
19:43:32xOrphenochxjust tried rb before work yesterday and its pretty nice, just wish the stats on the top when not playing took the form of the theme being used
19:44:22markunxOrphenochx: yes, a themable status bar would be nice
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19:47:27rdswill someday FS #5960 be merged?
19:48:43Lloreanrds: As is noted in the comments, someone really needs to come up with a more user friendly way to do it.
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19:52:28jhMikeSmarkun: If I have this right, without scaling, there's no extra consumption at boot over stop without scaling?
19:52:46markunjhMikeS: I think it's with and without scaling, but not sure
19:53:21markunwhen toffe did the measurements in that document he didn't know that there was a difference before and after playing a track
19:54:18markunso it's possible that the idle current with no scaling was measured after playing a song
19:55:45jhMikeSdo I have to do soldering for this?
19:58:33markunto measure the current you have to put the multimeter between the battery and the player, right?
19:58:46markunand not just on the + and - to get the voltage
19:59:07markunI don't know if toffe did any soldering for this
19:59:08jhMikeSI thought maybe I could put clips on the batt switch with the switch off
19:59:46markunwell, then you need to make rockbox stop shutting down when the ADC returns 0 volt
20:00:47markunwe can check for the position of the battery switch with GPG9
20:00:59markunbest would be to ignore the voltage when the switch in off
20:02:49saratogai haven't opened the F yet, but if you're shorting the battery switch with the DMM, rockbox should see it as closed
20:03:06saratogasince the DMM has an internal resistance of ~0
20:03:56jhMikeSnot a ganged switch?
20:04:16*markun is lost
20:05:45*jhMikeS looks for markun
20:06:30saratogaI don't really see what the point of having a ganged switch would be, since all it could do is switch between high and low voltage, which is all the main switch terminal does
20:06:37saratogabut its possible
20:07:33saratogahow hard is it to open the gigabeat?
20:07:46markunsaratoga: not very hard
20:07:57*jhMikeS wonders what beach the sand he found in the HD shock aborber when doing the hotswap came from
20:09:02markunjhMikeS: sand from a previous owner?
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20:09:43jhMikeSmaybe toffe knows since it's one of his
20:10:59saratogathats actually a pretty common connector
20:11:11saratogai'll have to dig around and see if i can find one
20:11:29saratogai know a lot of PC power supplies use it for the 80mm fan
20:12:00saratoganot a lot, but some i guess
20:12:01*jhMikeS is now wondering where he dropped the batt switch handle :P
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20:15:09jhMikeSusing the switch is out of the good clip points
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20:19:44jhMikeSthat connector is way smaller than the fan ones that I've seen
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20:26:35peturfor those looking for a HDD upgrade: there are three 80GB MK8007GAH on ebay for 214,95 euro (shipping from Germany)
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20:48:41markunjhMikeS: any luck?
20:49:34*jhMikeS is glad he saves old electronic for old cd player has those connectors for the motors :)
20:50:53markunand when you DO trow something away you find out you need it one week later
20:53:20jhMikeSnothing get tossed here like that, just reduced to manageable sizes
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20:54:17jhMikeSthat CD players been here almost a decade :)
20:55:40*scorche is considering going over to zune-linux and writing something about exactly why we "laugh at them" in the hopes they see what they are doing wrong and fix it
20:56:47HawkSlayerany gigabeat hardware experts present?
20:57:04HawkSlayergigabeat f10*
20:57:11peturheh... timing is perfect these days
20:57:42markunHawkSlayer: more or less
20:57:45HawkSlayeroh hm.
20:58:08markunHawkSlayer: sorry, didn't see your PM before
20:58:14HawkSlayerwell this is whats wrong.. my pc doesn't read it as a drive.. but tries to install the drivers for it but fails.
20:58:20HawkSlayerthats alright markun.
20:59:25HawkSlayerit tells me to charge it all the time.. the only way i can get it to start up, is if i have the power cord plugged into it.. if its not in there it tells me to charge it.. but i kept it in over night charging.
20:59:27markunHawkSlayer: can you repeat in here what you told me (about the DVD charger)
21:00:12HawkSlayeri tried charging my gigabeat f10 with my portable dvd player charger and the mp3 player just turned off.. and ever since then it hasn't been working very well.
21:00:22HawkSlayerthe charger is 9V
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21:00:54markunjhMikeS: the fuse you were talking about, is it inside the Gigabeat?
21:01:29jhMikeSno, in the amp meter
21:02:00markunHawkSlayer: are you connecting your PC directly to the Gigabeat or to the cradle?
21:02:11HawkSlayerdirectly to the gigabeat
21:02:42markunand you see the Gigabeat entering USB mode?
21:02:51HawkSlayermy pc does not read the gigabeat at all if connected to the cradle.. the gigabeat doesn't even show the usb logo when connected to the gigbeat.
21:03:27markunHawkSlayer: is the switch on the cradle set to "USB"?
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21:04:33markunjhMikeS: maybe the USB2ATA bridge is fried?
21:05:07markunHawkSlayer: did you connect the 9V charger to the cradle or to the Gigabeat?
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21:05:26HawkSlayerI connected it to the Gigabeat.
21:05:59HawkSlayeroh and i forgot to mention that I get a System Error 00000001 message when i turn the mp3 player on.
21:06:10markunah, you forgot that :)
21:06:22markunwell, it sounds pretty bad
21:06:37HawkSlayerand i also tried the hot swap thing and it still won't work right... the pc still doesn't read it as a hdd.
21:06:54markunyes, if you get a system error the hotswap thing will not help
21:07:00HawkSlayercould it be the battery? and if not, would it be worth trying to replace it to see if it really is the battery or not?
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21:07:45markunHawkSlayer: maybe you should ask toffe when he gets back
21:07:51markunhe has repaired a lot of Gigabeats
21:08:14markunperhaps you could even send it to him for repair if he has enough spare parts
21:08:15jhMikeSmarkun: that could be
21:08:20HawkSlayeralright will do.
21:08:26HawkSlayeroo that would be good.
21:09:04jhMikeSok, ready to rig it up. must concentrate. no reversed polarity!
21:09:44markunjhMikeS: yes, be careful
21:10:00HawkSlayeralright, thanks markun. :)
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21:10:18markunHawkSlayer: some of his spare gigabeat motherboards!">
21:10:27markundon't know how many are still working
21:11:06HawkSlayerwow! thats a lot of gigabeat's!
21:11:22markunjhMikeS: I friend my DIY amp by putting 70 volts on it with reversed polarity..
21:11:33HawkSlayeri hope he's got a working one! i'd really like to get mine fixed so i don't have to buy a new mp3 player.
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21:12:00markunHawkSlayer: maybe you can even upgrade if he has a 20GB drive laying around
21:12:02jhMikeSsure did it yourself :)
21:12:22scorcheHawkSlayer: you have no idea how many other spare parts and gigabeats were in that pile...
21:12:37markunjhMikeS: but I had enough spare parts (and it was a simple chip amp) to try it again a few hours later with the right polarity :)
21:12:39jhMikeSI color coded the connector with permanent marker with the batt installed first
21:12:44scorches/were in/he had but werent in
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21:14:06HawkSlayeroo i'd love to upgrade to a 20GB hdd. i already filled up the gigabeat hdd and was hoping to find a new hdd with more space.
21:14:39HawkSlayerbut how much money would he be asking for?
21:14:45markunI have no idea
21:15:06markunmaybe he doesn't even have the right parts to fix your player, so don't get your hopes up too high
21:15:11scorchehe is quite reasonable...too reasonable many times ;)
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21:15:56HawkSlayerdamn markun that would suck if he didn't have the right parts! bah! don't make my hopes go down now! :)...
21:16:05HawkSlayerwell then scorche, thats good!.
21:16:52markunHawkSlayer: he only speaks french, so I hope you payed attention in school (just kidding)
21:17:59markunis it expensive to send things around the USA by mail?
21:18:03HawkSlayerhaha, nah, i think i actually failed french :D.
21:19:13HawkSlayerhm, well it depends where its being sent to. if its overseas then it could be.. hm i don't really know.. possibly about $10.. i'm not 100% sure, i don't really send stuff to people via mail. i've only done it once but i didn't do it at the post office.
21:19:50HawkSlayerbut i think i'll be able to afford it.. i can get my mom to pay for it! haha! :)
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21:24:47markunHawkSlayer: I will move your forum thread to the hardware section
21:25:52HawkSlayeralright, thanks.. sorry about that!
21:26:08markun(or should it be hardware/repairing ...)
21:26:28markuntoo late :)
21:27:10HawkSlayerwhen do you expect toffe to be back?
21:27:32markunno idea
21:27:49markunbe he's here almost every day I think
21:28:02HawkSlayeralright.. then i shall wait in here for him to return! :)
21:28:50markunHawkSlayer: or maybe you can send him an email:;u=8198
21:29:22HawkSlayerit says his email is hidden.. should i just PM him?
21:30:33markunyes, PM
21:30:50HawkSlayerso should i tell him what i told you?
21:31:15markunalso a good idea
21:31:51markunjhMikeS: and?
21:32:15markundid it work and do we still have the 'cold boot' problem?
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22:00:45jhMikeSproblem is still there
22:01:14jhMikeSif a voice clip is played when it boots to the menu, it's the same as if a music is played and stopped
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22:08:33jhMikeSisn't there battery current monitoring available?
22:09:34amiconnI don't know of any target that has current measuring hardware
22:10:10jhMikeSI thought x5 did
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22:49:51jhMikeSone thing I noticed already is that the audio chip is made IIS master at boot but the default for the CPU is IIS master and isn't put into slave mode until the first audio is played.
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23:20:21scorchethe last of the DCW pictures have been uploaded
23:20:26markunjhMikeS: did you try to change it to slave?
23:20:42markuneh, I mean make the CPU master on boot
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23:22:54jhMikeSI'm gonna turn I2S off in system init for one and also make sure it's slave immediately before initializing the audio driver. This should be done no matter what anyway.
23:23:51amiconnjhMikeS: Some random thoughts regarding the pp5020: (1) maybe the 2 cores have some bits coupled in cpsr/spsr? (design bug?) (2) maybe we're setting cache mode for iram wrong, so iram is cached causing inconsistencies?
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23:25:35markunjhMikeS: nice that you now have a tool to really tell what the impact is of optimizations and other power saving stuff like turning off the LCD controller
23:25:44jhMikeSamiconn: (for the logs) 1) I've wondered and of course never had it looked into 2) mpegplayer runs w/o the patch and dies a quick death if certain ram is cached
23:25:46saratogai'm having a lot of trouble getting my plugin to run on the device
23:25:50saratogait works great in the sim
23:25:59saratogaand i'm not linking any libraries outside of plugin.h
23:26:17saratogais there anything else i could be forgetting?
23:26:23markunsaratoga: what happens when you run it?
23:26:43saratogaundefined instruction at some random address
23:26:51saratogasometimes in memory i've allocated, sometimes not
23:27:10saratogaright now i'm getting it at 0x0013e544
23:27:16saratogawhich I don't even think is in RAM
23:27:19jhMikeSmarkun: more reason to cache parts from dead electronics for a sunspot cycle :)
23:28:25jhMikeSthe stuff I need at any moment seems to often be the oldest ... weird
23:28:45petursaratoga: sounds more like a bad pointer that doesn't cause a problem on the sim because the sim has no mem limitation
23:33:42jhMikeSsaratoga: those thing often come from an incoherent cache (but that a _guess_). which player?
23:33:43markunjhMikeS: I don't have a lot of old stuff laying around, but a guy in my house does so I turn to him in such cases
23:34:32saratogajhMikeS: Gigabeat F
23:35:15jhMikeSah, then that shouldn't be a factor
23:36:37saratogadoes the debug api have any easy way to log messages to a file on the disk while running on a target?
23:36:48saratogausing splash screens is kind of tricky
23:38:07saratogathanks, i'll look at that
23:38:49peturrun configure, select advanced and then logf
23:39:22peturbut I'm not an expert on that
23:39:35saratogawhich file does it log to?
23:40:36peturdon't know, I onlu used it to look at the output on the remote
23:41:55petursearch relealed this:
23:42:43peturA new function for debugging has been introduced: logf(), which adds a message to an internal buffer. This buffer can be viewed, and dumped to a file through the "Info > Debug" menu on builds with logf support enabled. This is particularly useful on the as of yet unreleased iriver h1x0 port, where it displays the messages on the LCD remote.
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23:45:03jhMikeSfor plugins it's LOGF() though
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23:46:28*petur wonders where min and max of settings are stored these days
23:46:32jhMikeSmaybe it should be in all places for consistency? building a plugin is detected with #ifdef PLUGIN ??
23:47:15jhMikeSin the config file but there's some audio defaults hanging out the settings.c iirc
23:47:37jhMikeSor settings_list.c
23:47:37peturconfig file?
23:47:55peturah.. thanks
23:48:42peturI used to understand that part of the code but somebody rewrote it ;)
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23:50:39saratoganow i'm getting it rebooting on me
23:50:49saratogaall i changed was to add more splashes
23:50:49peturprogress :)
23:51:01saratogaactually, not really a reboot, it just gives me a yellow rockbox screen
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23:54:39jhMikeSit's supposed to do that :P
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23:56:06saratogai put two splashes back to back with no statements between them
23:56:14saratogathe first prints, the second does not before it crashes
23:56:18Soul-SlayerHello, I'm aware there was work started (by linuxstb I believe) on the Tatung Elio?
23:56:34Soul-SlayerDoes anyone know whether it actually boots/functions at all yet?
23:56:48petursaratoga: you got some mem corruption I think
23:57:19PaulJamSoul-Slayer: see if there is a tread in the new ports forum.
23:57:22jhMikeSsaratoga: are you using timers or anything?
23:58:23saratogajhMikeS: no timers or anything like that
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23:58:48saratogai'm sure the memory is getting corrupted given the random messages I was getting, but i have no idea how or why

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