| 00:00:05 | stripwax | it's on the wiki page you downloaded the theme from |
| 00:00:19 | scorche | mud-rb: no it shouldnt...AA is not part of the official build |
| 00:00:21 | apcfreak | hehe, thanks. i didn't download the theme, it came with a build |
| 00:00:33 | apcfreak | ok, thanks guys. |
| 00:00:33 | scorche | mud-rb: but it is in its own entry in the wiki, as it should be |
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| 00:00:43 | stripwax | apcfreak - ask such questions of the build author in future pls! |
| 00:01:00 | apcfreak | Ok, will do |
| 00:01:06 | stripwax | maybe he included an old version of that theme in his build (only he will know..) |
| 00:01:11 | stripwax | ta |
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| 00:08:12 | stripwax | Any dev had any thought on the bitmap version of Sliding Puzzle yet?/ |
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| 00:08:41 | stripwax | (this thing http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7218) |
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| 00:12:49 | markun | AJS: maybe rockbox doesn't work well with the japanese gigabeat firmware |
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| 00:15:00 | Hilikus | hello |
| 00:16:03 | Hilikus | hey omeone told me you can manually change directories in the archos by holding play + right, but that doestn work in my X5, is there a combination for the x5? |
| 00:17:22 | PaulJam_ | isn't this mentioned in the manual? |
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| 00:18:12 | Hilikus | i didnt find it, let my try again, the first time i wasnt looking for that |
| 00:18:43 | * | stripwax chuckles |
| 00:20:14 | mud-rb | wooo, my plugin sort of works, except for all of the features i haven't even looked at |
| 00:22:14 | stripwax | mud-rb - what does it do? |
| 00:23:15 | mud-rb | stripwax: it's a game recorder/viewer for go/igo/weiqi/baduk. right now all you can do is view, and you can't back up at all, but most of the framework is there at least i just need to add some minor logic |
| 00:23:48 | mud-rb | and then there's the problem where all of the code looks like ass, but i can fix that later, haha |
| 00:23:54 | stripwax | heh |
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| 00:37:14 | Quelsaruk | hi |
| 00:37:37 | Hilikus | nop, its not in the manual |
| 00:37:46 | Hilikus | any ideas how to change directory manually? |
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| 00:39:22 | PaulJam_ | Hilikus: form looking at the x5 keymap, it looks as if ther is no special button combination for that, but the short-long press on right should work. |
| 00:40:47 | Hilikus | play is pause, so if i hold play it will go to the current playlist, and if i press right, it will play the selected song |
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| 00:41:59 | PaulJam_ | do the folowing: in the wps skip to the next song and immediately fastforward. |
| 00:42:32 | Hilikus | wow, i think it worked |
| 00:43:03 | Hilikus | oh wait, it froze |
| 00:44:18 | Hilikus | hmmm i does work but the new album starts not at the beginning of the first song due to the fastforward |
| 00:44:40 | Hilikus | oh i got it, is just a timing issue |
| 00:44:43 | Hilikus | greeeeeat! |
| 00:44:48 | Hilikus | best feature ever! |
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| 00:46:47 | Hilikus | it freezes a lot when i do it |
| 00:49:21 | Hilikus | i guess thats why is not documented |
| 00:51:51 | mud-rb | does anyone know if there's been any word on that LCD bug on the sansa with the top two or three lines having garbage in them? |
| 00:53:07 | mud-rb | oh nevermind, i found the bug report for it, doesn't seem like much is happening with it |
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| 00:55:46 | Hilikus | PaulJam_ where did you find about that combination? |
| 00:56:43 | ryanm | its 6:55 pm and rockbox gives the time as '6:M pc' on all the theme i use. how can i change this? i've read the pdf and the nano faq, unless i missed somthing |
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| 00:57:15 | Hilikus | i have that problem too ryann, i thing its a change in the tags |
| 00:58:53 | Febs | ryanm, you need to update the time tag to the correct syntax. |
| 00:59:21 | PaulJam_ | ryanm: the wps tags for the time display have changed a while ago, see the CustomWPS wiki page. |
| 00:59:29 | ryanm | yeah, in the rockbox default theme its fine, but not in the themes. i was hoping i could change that option without figuring out how themes work and changing them manually in a text editor and then reloading |
| 00:59:54 | Hilikus | thats what you need to do |
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| 01:00:01 | Febs | Then those themes need to be updated: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipod4gray/rockbox-buildap2.html#x14-236000B.14 |
| 01:01:13 | ryanm | ok, thanks, i'll look into that. |
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| 01:04:10 | markun | nice wooden binary calculator: http://chaosradio.ccc.de/ctv089.html |
| 01:04:17 | ryanm | last thing. in the apple firmware, if you need to skip ahead in a long audio file quickly, you can double click 'select' and then move your thumb clockwise around the wheel to skip ahead, and then hit select again to give a song a rating and then select one more time to get back to normal. i use that skip ahead function all the time, is there a setting for that behavior in rockbox? |
| 01:04:39 | Febs | No. However, you can set the rate at which fast forward accelerates. |
| 01:04:42 | ryanm | by the way i'm using a nano first gen |
| 01:04:50 | ryanm | ok, thanks |
| 01:05:31 | Febs | ryanm: look at the description of "Fast-Forward/Rewind" here: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodnano/rockbox-buildch7.html#x10-1030007.1 |
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| 01:24:01 | mud-rb | if i do svn update, will it wipe out changes/new files i've made? |
| 01:24:15 | mud-rb | i have backups of course, but it would be annoying, and the svn docs are pretty scary |
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| 01:25:59 | mud-rb | nevermind, figured it out |
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| 01:29:19 | bospaadje | i don't like the scrolling behaviour on my ipod, when I try to scroll slowly it starts skipping entries. Even if I stop scrolling (but keep touching the scrollwheel), then continue scrolling, it skips entries like I never stopped scrolling |
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| 01:30:33 | webguest20 | hey |
| 01:31:11 | webguest20 | neonee here |
| 01:33:17 | webguest20 | ???????????? |
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| 01:34:13 | mud-rb | webguest20: i've never seen an IRC client that doesn't list the people in a chanel |
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| 01:35:11 | ryanm | thanks guys, i fixed my time problem by changing the wps tags. that wasn't so hard. thanks |
| 01:37:02 | webguest20 | can someone help me with installation |
| 01:37:37 | mud-rb | webguest20: did you follow the installation instructions? if you have a specific question just ask it |
| 01:38:40 | webguest20 | yes |
| 01:38:45 | webguest20 | but i wstill cant understand it |
| 01:38:51 | webguest20 | you think you could quickly explain it? |
| 01:38:54 | scorche | what cant you understand about it? |
| 01:39:04 | scorche | it is quite clear in the manual |
| 01:39:08 | webguest20 | i dont know just like when i install it it dosnt work |
| 01:39:12 | webguest20 | like after i press |
| 01:39:13 | webguest20 | ienter |
| 01:39:14 | scorche | what does it do? |
| 01:39:20 | webguest20 | that thing dosnt pop up |
| 01:39:23 | webguest20 | thats supposed to |
| 01:39:26 | scorche | "that thing"? |
| 01:39:35 | webguest20 | yea it sais a box should |
| 01:39:37 | webguest20 | like first |
| 01:39:45 | webguest20 | i extract it to my ipod folder right |
| 01:39:52 | webguest20 | like c documents program files ipod |
| 01:39:58 | scorche | no |
| 01:40:02 | scorche | to the root of your device |
| 01:40:09 | webguest20 | so itunes? |
| 01:40:16 | scorche | did i say itunes? |
| 01:40:20 | webguest20 | no |
| 01:40:22 | webguest20 | whats the root |
| 01:40:23 | webguest20 | though |
| 01:40:45 | scorche | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_directory |
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| 01:41:08 | bospaadje | the folder you see when you access your ipod via My Computer |
| 01:41:20 | webguest20 | okay |
| 01:41:23 | webguest20 | so the c drive |
| 01:41:30 | mud-rb | no, not the c drive |
| 01:41:35 | bospaadje | no, thats your hard drive |
| 01:41:36 | scorche | typically the C drive is your computer..not the ipod |
| 01:41:46 | mud-rb | it will be another named drive, that's only there when your ipod is plugged in |
| 01:41:49 | webguest20 | so like to get to mine |
| 01:41:50 | webguest20 | i go |
| 01:41:59 | webguest20 | do i plug my iopod in before i do anything |
| 01:42:01 | webguest20 | or after? |
| 01:42:11 | mud-rb | your ipod should be plugged in first |
| 01:42:13 | scorche | how are you supposed to access it if it isnt plugged in? |
| 01:42:19 | bospaadje | you need to plug in your ipod to copy stuff onto it |
| 01:42:21 | mud-rb | with magic |
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| 01:42:44 | webguest20 | k so im trying to get to my ipod folder right? |
| 01:43:02 | scorche | you are trying to get to the ipod itself |
| 01:43:15 | webguest20 | okay |
| 01:43:21 | webguest20 | so what would it normally be under? |
| 01:43:29 | scorche | it will appear in My Computer |
| 01:43:42 | webguest20 | i know that but then where |
| 01:44:07 | scorche | a device should come up with a name of "ipod" |
| 01:44:32 | webguest20 | it dosnt |
| 01:44:34 | bospaadje | if it doesnt, you'll need to set that in itunes |
| 01:44:35 | webguest20 | theres |
| 01:44:38 | webguest20 | local disk |
| 01:44:42 | webguest20 | dvd ram |
| 01:44:53 | scorche | is your ipod plugged in? |
| 01:45:04 | webguest20 | yea |
| 01:45:15 | scorche | then you have to enable a setting in itunes |
| 01:45:23 | webguest20 | which one? |
| 01:45:32 | scorche | ...which is offtopic for this channel...use google to find it |
| 01:45:42 | webguest20 | you cant jsut tell me that one thing.. |
| 01:45:47 | scorche | i have never used itunes |
| 01:45:55 | scorche | most of the people here are the same |
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| 01:46:21 | mud-rb | most of us probably have no idea, if someone uses itunes they can probably speak up but google is your best bet |
| 01:46:26 | webguest20 | ok |
| 01:46:27 | webguest20 | i got it |
| 01:46:35 | webguest20 | its under e: |
| 01:46:45 | webguest20 | so now double click that? |
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| 01:46:54 | scorche | you just said it wasnt in my computer... |
| 01:47:01 | webguest20 | i fixed it |
| 01:47:02 | webguest20 | so now it is |
| 01:47:09 | webguest20 | i enabled it so i can manually manage it |
| 01:47:26 | scorche | ok...then follow the instruction in the manual |
| 01:47:57 | webguest20 | for sum reason when i click the manualk |
| 01:47:59 | webguest20 | it dosnt go |
| 01:48:03 | webguest20 | it just freezes |
| 01:48:30 | scorche | you said you followed the installation instructions... |
| 01:48:43 | webguest20 | yea but that was from a link someone gave me of the old manaul |
| 01:48:45 | webguest20 | or somthing |
| 01:48:50 | scorche | what link? |
| 01:48:51 | mud-rb | click on the 'online' link for the manual |
| 01:49:02 | mud-rb | if that doesn't work, you have bigger problems than rockbox can help with |
| 01:49:08 | webguest20 | okk |
| 01:49:10 | webguest20 | got it |
| 01:49:11 | webguest20 | ill try |
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| 01:52:40 | webguest20 | ok |
| 01:52:41 | webguest20 | it worked |
| 01:52:45 | webguest20 | but how come its all so small |
| 01:52:52 | mud-rb | read the manual |
| 01:53:05 | webguest20 | and how come theres no music on it now? |
| 01:53:09 | mud-rb | read the manual |
| 01:53:35 | bospaadje | webguest20, the music is under Ipod_control with very confusing filenames (a "feature" of itunes) |
| 01:53:57 | bospaadje | read the manual to find out how to use the itunes db, or just drop some music on the ipod |
| 01:54:36 | bospaadje | (you can just copy over any mp3 to the ipod drive in My Computer, it'll show up in rockbox under 'files' |
| 01:57:26 | webguest20 | so with rock box |
| 01:57:33 | webguest20 | can i still have playlists etc... |
| 01:57:40 | mud-rb | read the manual |
| 01:57:47 | scorche | not itunes ones...read the...yeah |
| 01:58:09 | webguest20 | i dont get at all how to pput music on to it |
| 01:58:15 | webguest20 | do i totally not use itunes |
| 01:58:26 | scorche | you can if you wish |
| 01:58:37 | webguest20 | ok while having the skins still |
| 01:58:37 | webguest20 | ? |
| 01:58:42 | scorche | skins? |
| 01:59:06 | webguest20 | like the different designs |
| 01:59:09 | webguest20 | for the background |
| 01:59:18 | scorche | well, those are rockbox themes |
| 01:59:46 | webguest20 | yea |
| 01:59:49 | webguest20 | can i still use them |
| 01:59:52 | webguest20 | if i use itunes |
| 01:59:54 | webguest20 | ? |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:01 | scorche | yes |
| 02:00:12 | webguest20 | ok |
| 02:00:17 | webguest20 | so how do i put my music back on? |
| 02:00:28 | scorche | last time...read the manual |
| 02:00:30 | webguest20 | i dont get the manuall |
| 02:00:40 | scorche | what part dont you get? |
| 02:01:24 | webguest20 | where does it say about adding music |
| 02:01:39 | scorche | just read trhough it...you will find it |
| 02:01:47 | scorche | through |
| 02:02:10 | webguest20 | but how to keep themes on it |
| 02:02:14 | webguest20 | and put the music on |
| 02:02:17 | webguest20 | throguh itunes |
| 02:02:25 | scorche | it says in the manual |
| 02:02:30 | scorche | read it |
| 02:03:26 | webguest20 | k well can i also put music on by clicking on my ipod through my cmpute |
| 02:03:26 | webguest20 | r |
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| 02:03:37 | webguest20 | then clicking .rockbox |
| 02:03:50 | scorche | you dont have to click on .rockbox, but yes |
| 02:04:06 | webguest20 | ok so how do i then though because theres no music file |
| 02:04:15 | webguest20 | do i just make a new folder called like rock |
| 02:04:19 | webguest20 | and drag all my rock songs in thre |
| 02:05:10 | webguest20 | ? |
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| 02:05:24 | scorche | i have told you enough times to read the manual |
| 02:06:09 | scorche | you can speak again in 10 min...use that time to read the manual, or do what you will |
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| 02:11:38 | scorche | or you can be impatient and not be able to wait 10 min... |
| 02:11:52 | mud-rb | hahaha |
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| 02:22:43 | saratoga | anyone else have trouble building libdemac in the UI sim lately? |
| 02:23:35 | saratoga | i had to comment it out of the makefile |
| 02:24:14 | mud-rb | if it's part of the normal build, it worked fine for me with the e200 simulator build |
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| 02:45:20 | Falco98 | anyone here feel like going through with me the difference between "queue |
| 02:45:23 | Falco98 | gah |
| 02:45:29 | Falco98 | between "queue" and "queue next"? |
| 02:46:19 | mud-rb | Queue next. |
| 02:46:19 | mud-rb | Queue track(s) immediately after current playing track. |
| 02:46:31 | Falco98 | yes |
| 02:46:49 | Falco98 | and |
| 02:47:00 | Falco98 | i was always under the impression (perhaps directly told) that "queue |
| 02:47:02 | Falco98 | GAH |
| 02:47:07 | Falco98 | (keep hitting enter early, hehe) |
| 02:47:29 | Falco98 | that "queue" would queue something after the last thing queued |
| 02:47:38 | Falco98 | (same thing with "insert" versus "insert next") |
| 02:47:52 | mud-rb | yes...so what's the confusion then? |
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| 02:48:13 | mud-rb | queue: after the last thing you queued/inserted queue next: after what's playing |
| 02:48:14 | Falco98 | i wanted to get confirmation that my thinking was right, because as far as i can tell, it's broken |
| 02:48:19 | Falco98 | like |
| 02:48:28 | Falco98 | i'm in the middle of a long random playlist |
| 02:48:31 | Falco98 | i feel like listening to some albums |
| 02:48:37 | Falco98 | so i select one and "queue next" |
| 02:49:01 | Falco98 | i select another one and simply do "queue", figuring (hoping) that it will be queued after the end of the one i just did a second ago |
| 02:49:17 | Falco98 | but, in fact, the second album has been "queue next"ed |
| 02:49:26 | Falco98 | much to my unending frustration and confusion |
| 02:49:44 | Falco98 | my build is less than a week old, and i just did this paying very close attention, like 2 days ago |
| 02:51:26 | mud-rb | seems to work as the manual states for me |
| 02:53:32 | mud-rb | are you sure you understand the difference between them all? it is a little confusing. the manual is pretty clear though. i guess just try again with the most recent build and make sure it's really broken |
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| 03:04:26 | Falco98 | i'll try updating |
| 03:04:52 | Falco98 | but i figure that if my description (above) of the way i'm expecting things to work is accurate, then my diagnosis is correct |
| 03:05:15 | Falco98 | can you describe what you do to replicate? |
| 03:05:24 | Falco98 | so i can be sure we're on the same page aobut things? |
| 03:05:26 | mud-rb | which platform is this on exactly? |
| 03:05:30 | mud-rb | sure, let me redo it |
| 03:07:18 | Falco98 | my iriver h140 |
| 03:09:24 | Falco98 | i just tried on my h10 |
| 03:09:43 | linuxstb_ | saratoga: What's your problem with libdemac? Or is it working now? |
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| 03:11:18 | mud-rb | oh hmm, maybe it's doing something weird for directories with more than one file, i was using small directories before...let me try that again |
| 03:11:19 | Falco98 | in the middle of a random playlist... i "queue next" on a beach boys album, making it come up immediately next in my playlist. then i come back to the WPS, rest a few seconds, then go and "queue" on "ben folds live", which is now suddenly queued right after the first track of the beach boys album i just queued |
| 03:11:34 | Falco98 | FWIW i'm doing the operation on playlist files |
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| 03:11:47 | Falco98 | though as far as i know it works identically for directory operations too |
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| 03:12:52 | mud-rb | yeah, it seems to queue after the first track of the queue next, not after them all |
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| 03:13:05 | mud-rb | i wonder if that's what it's supposed to do, because it doens't seem that useful |
| 03:14:15 | Falco98 | correct =) |
| 03:14:25 | Falco98 | that's exactly what i was thinking, hehe |
| 03:14:52 | Falco98 | wonder if Hardeep is around... |
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| 03:18:02 | mud-rb | yeah, i'd put in a bug report because i can't imagine that's the expected behavior |
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| 03:54:03 | Falco98 | alright, i'll do that |
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| 04:25:05 | Hilikus | can somenoe help me with this |
| 04:25:07 | Hilikus | make[1]: *** [rocks] Error 2 |
| 04:25:07 | Hilikus | make: *** [build] Error 2 |
| 04:25:15 | Hilikus | theres no error when compiling |
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| 04:25:23 | mud-rb | scroll up and find the actual error |
| 04:25:24 | Hilikus | how can i check what was the problem |
| 04:25:34 | Hilikus | theres none |
| 04:25:44 | aliask | Hilikus: So the line before that was $ make? |
| 04:26:10 | Hilikus | no, a bunch of, nothing to be done for 'all' |
| 04:26:11 | bonbonthejon | how can I upload a picture for the wiki |
| 04:26:21 | mud-rb | copy and paste the whole thing somewhere (not directly here probably). if there's an error message in there will you give me money? |
| 04:26:29 | mud-rb | because i bet there is |
| 04:26:38 | aliask | Hilikus: Pastebin the entire output from where you typed make, to where it said error 2 |
| 04:27:03 | aliask | bonbonthejon: Click the upload button at the bottom of the wiki page |
| 04:27:06 | Hilikus | hilikus@hilikus-terminal:~/rockbox/build$ make | grep error |
| 04:27:07 | Hilikus | make[1]: *** [rocks] Error 2 |
| 04:27:23 | aliask | Hilikus: That's not exactly helpful. |
| 04:27:23 | Hilikus | i will, but theres no error, thats why im asking for help |
| 04:27:31 | aliask | Don't grep for error |
| 04:27:36 | aliask | And use pastebin.ca |
| 04:27:41 | aliask | Because the output will be long. |
| 04:27:54 | aliask | bonbonthejon: Er, not upload - attach. |
| 04:28:06 | bonbonthejon | aliask: I figure |
| 04:28:07 | bonbonthejon | d |
| 04:28:44 | Hilikus | http://pastebin.ca/591263 |
| 04:29:24 | aliask | Hilikus: Is this with a clean source? |
| 04:29:35 | Hilikus | no |
| 04:29:49 | aliask | Does compiling a clean checkout work? |
| 04:29:58 | Hilikus | but i guess my question is more, where can i see the error, rather than, fix it for me |
| 04:30:00 | Hilikus | yes |
| 04:30:36 | aliask | Well, it looks like it's crashing right near the end of the compile, but I'm not quite sure why |
| 04:30:50 | Hilikus | any ideas why it wouldnt say? |
| 04:30:51 | aliask | Doesn't look like it's gcc that's throwing the error, otherwise you'd get more info |
| 04:31:26 | aliask | Well, the only clue you've really got is that it is something do to with the changes you've made. |
| 04:31:31 | aliask | Which files have you edited? |
| 04:31:38 | Hilikus | a lot of them |
| 04:31:54 | Hilikus | its been a while since i synced and i did so today |
| 04:32:04 | Hilikus | a while being probably more than a month |
| 04:32:35 | aliask | Perhaps there's something wrong with the SOURCES file in the rocks directory |
| 04:33:00 | aliask | Erm, not rocks, plugins |
| 04:33:42 | Hilikus | i played with it, maybe, let me see |
| 04:33:47 | Hilikus | is there a special format for it? |
| 04:34:06 | aliask | Not really. Just one line per file, and #ifdef's etc |
| 04:34:19 | Hilikus | whats interpreting that file? |
| 04:34:31 | aliask | A script in tool iirc |
| 04:34:58 | Hilikus | ohh crap |
| 04:35:00 | Hilikus | i found it |
| 04:35:09 | Hilikus | its a conflict in the svn update |
| 04:35:18 | Hilikus | so there are a bunch of <<< mine things |
| 04:35:27 | aliask | Was it in SOURCES? |
| 04:35:30 | Hilikus | yes |
| 04:35:38 | aliask | Wow, good guess. |
| 04:35:45 | mud-rb | hmm i can't believe that wouldn't give an error of some kind |
| 04:35:46 | Hilikus | if you didnt point me out to that it wouldve been ages |
| 04:35:54 | Hilikus | thanks a lot |
| 04:36:04 | aliask | No worries. |
| 04:36:26 | Hilikus | agree mud-rb |
| 04:36:47 | Hilikus | should i notify someone? |
| 04:39:15 | aliask | Probably, but I don't exactly know who's area this is.. |
| 04:39:29 | Hilikus | sweet, it worked |
| 04:39:36 | aliask | It'll be hard to fix though |
| 04:39:50 | aliask | It's basically just cat-ing the SOURCES file into the make file |
| 04:40:13 | mud-rb | i wish i knew make at all, there must be some error getting supressed somewhere, right? |
| 04:40:22 | Hilikus | mud-rb: you can send me the money through paypal :P |
| 04:40:41 | mud-rb | Hilikus: :( |
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| 04:40:52 | Hilikus | hehe |
| 04:40:57 | mud-rb | Hilikus: what's your bank account #? i'll send it right over wink wink |
| 04:41:37 | Hilikus | i'll better give you my credit card # to make sure it doest go anywhere else |
| 04:41:47 | mud-rb | haha |
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| 04:44:12 | Hilikus | is multi-color text already in the main build or its still a patch? |
| 04:45:22 | mud-rb | i'm pretty sure i saw chatter about it in the svn commits, but i didn't pay much attention |
| 04:45:40 | scorche | main build |
| 04:46:07 | scorche | although, it is only for supported extentions in the browser atm |
| 04:46:25 | Hilikus | the file browser? |
| 04:46:29 | scorche | yes |
| 04:46:52 | Hilikus | ok, thanks |
| 04:47:01 | Hilikus | i love rb |
| 04:47:05 | aliask | Seems like feature creep to me |
| 04:47:40 | mud-rb | yeah multi-color text is kind of a weird feature, but i'm barely qualified to have an opinion |
| 04:48:02 | aliask | I suppose I do like the fact that ls gives coloured output though... |
| 04:48:16 | aliask | But we have icons where ls doesn't. |
| 04:48:18 | Hilikus | i think its stupid, i only need it because so many themes use the patch, so to make them work i have to go and modify a million lines in a million themes |
| 04:48:19 | scorche | aliask: it was actually pretty cool...then again, it was one of those odd projects that happen when you get a bunch of "nerds" together and call it a devcon |
| 04:48:34 | aliask | Heh :) |
| 04:48:52 | Hilikus | whats ls |
| 04:49:09 | aliask | Linux equivelant of dir for DOS |
| 04:49:12 | scorche | it was a start to getting that in the WPS which is a often requested feature |
| 04:49:28 | Hilikus | oh that ls |
| 04:50:11 | Hilikus | i guess its usefu for picture backdrops where the same colour everywhere is not good |
| 04:51:01 | scorche | it is useful for dirs that have many different types of files in them |
| 04:51:18 | aliask | Or similarly named files, with different extensions |
| 04:51:19 | Hilikus | ooh thats why you were talking about ls |
| 04:51:28 | aliask | "Which one was the jpg?" |
| 04:51:29 | Hilikus | yah, thats nice |
| 04:51:52 | Hilikus | brb |
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| 05:06:15 | Hilikus | hey any idea what this library is? |
| 05:06:21 | Hilikus | usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ldemac |
| 05:06:54 | Hilikus | its when trying to link vorbis.codec for the sim |
| 05:06:58 | mud-rb | hmm no, but i think someone mentioned sometihng about having a problem building it earlier today.. |
| 05:07:24 | Hilikus | actually i built the sim without problems before i updated today |
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| 05:50:13 | Hilikus | hey i think i fixed the linker problem, in case someone else asks, you just need to recreate the makefile, so run configure again |
| 05:50:59 | mud-rb | oh, i should have thought of that if you hadn't updated in a while... |
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| 05:58:17 | mud-rb | is there a tempfile interface of some kind of plugins? (get an unused garbage filename easily) |
| 05:58:23 | mud-rb | s/of/for/ |
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| 06:00:43 | atmosphere | hey |
| 06:01:03 | atmosphere | can somebody give me a little help please? :) |
| 06:01:40 | mud-rb | hi :) i'm sure someone can−−it's usually easier if you just ask your question |
| 06:02:11 | atmosphere | ah well i have a sansa e280, and need a bit of help getting it set up because for some reason the rockbox site wont let me download the software for it |
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| 06:02:33 | atmosphere | and i REALLY hate the sandisk crap on it, it lags sometimes for way to long |
| 06:03:04 | atmosphere | oh what the hell |
| 06:03:08 | mud-rb | http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-sansae200/rockbox.zip this is the link you're trying? |
| 06:03:11 | atmosphere | now when i try, it works as soon as i figure this out |
| 06:03:20 | atmosphere | yeah that just started dling on firefox |
| 06:03:35 | mud-rb | ah okay, yeah sometimes the build server gets a bit overloaded |
| 06:03:37 | atmosphere | this computer is so weird.. |
| 06:03:47 | atmosphere | oh lol good i thought it was this vista crap :) |
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| 06:03:57 | atmosphere | was getting worried m$ screwed up again :| |
| 06:04:13 | mud-rb | haha |
| 06:04:49 | atmosphere | all the information should be on the manual right because that didnt load either for a minute before |
| 06:05:08 | mud-rb | yeah the manual and installation instructions are pretty good |
| 06:05:42 | atmosphere | thanks ill stick around for a little to make sure i get it working |
| 06:07:55 | Hilikus | gn guys |
| 06:07:59 | Hilikus | thanks for the help |
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| 06:10:05 | atmosphere | one quick question |
| 06:10:21 | atmosphere | if i have music (as in 30mb left on the device out of 8 gig) it'll still load right |
| 06:10:41 | mud-rb | yeah, that shouldn't be a problem as long as there is enough space for rockbox |
| 06:11:01 | atmosphere | how big is rb cause i might as well do some cleaning up |
| 06:11:05 | atmosphere | few meg/ |
| 06:11:28 | mud-rb | looks like....around 5 megs, without the fonts |
| 06:11:57 | mud-rb | not sure how big the font pack is, probably a few megs |
| 06:12:08 | atmosphere | oh sure then ill be fine |
| 06:12:18 | atmosphere | ill just get rid of some crap i hate anyway |
| 06:15:15 | mud-rb | oh if you want to use the "database" part of rockbox i'm sure that uses some space too...probably is best if you make a little extra |
| 06:16:04 | atmosphere | i just freed up about a gig |
| 06:16:13 | atmosphere | should be enough haha |
| 06:16:15 | mud-rb | haha, yeah i think it'll fit :) |
| 06:16:46 | atmosphere | stupid me i had a cd version of dawn of the dead on there? taking up 771mb ok yeah an hour and a half compressed that low, ehh its somewhat watchable |
| 06:17:11 | mud-rb | wow, i can never watch movies on such small screens.. |
| 06:17:22 | atmosphere | lol its not |
| 06:17:30 | atmosphere | it was under music, not video, and not even sansa-compressed |
| 06:17:37 | mud-rb | oh haha |
| 06:17:39 | atmosphere | you cant do uncompressed on this screen ithe firmware sucks |
| 06:17:56 | atmosphere | errr...should it have worked if i just unzipped it to the sansa haha shit. |
| 06:18:12 | mud-rb | haha you probably want to follow the installation instructions |
| 06:18:20 | atmosphere | i did somewhat |
| 06:18:23 | mud-rb | but that's not going to hurt something, you have to do that eventually |
| 06:18:39 | atmosphere | what should it do |
| 06:18:43 | atmosphere | if its successful |
| 06:18:53 | atmosphere | boot directly to the rockbox? |
| 06:19:10 | mud-rb | haha...you probably want to read the installation instructions, but yes it will boot to rockbox after you install it correctly and reset it |
| 06:19:24 | atmosphere | ahh reset |
| 06:19:27 | atmosphere | could help |
| 06:19:37 | atmosphere | its refreshing anyway |
| 06:19:41 | atmosphere | because i deleted stuff |
| 06:19:48 | mud-rb | yeah, i hate that part |
| 06:20:01 | atmosphere | takes forever |
| 06:20:06 | atmosphere | my old zen never did this |
| 06:20:15 | atmosphere | hard drives i think dont need to? or sansa being annoying |
| 06:20:26 | mud-rb | sansa being annoying |
| 06:20:31 | atmosphere | figures |
| 06:20:37 | atmosphere | k so for reset |
| 06:21:05 | atmosphere | reset all |
| 06:21:08 | atmosphere | on the player? |
| 06:21:18 | atmosphere | or like a ..(fill in here please :D ) |
| 06:21:38 | mud-rb | hmm, i'm not sure what you're talking about... |
| 06:21:41 | mud-rb | reset as in power off and on |
| 06:21:44 | atmosphere | oh |
| 06:21:46 | mud-rb | but did you follow the instructions? |
| 06:21:48 | atmosphere | yeah |
| 06:21:50 | mud-rb | because they're kind of important |
| 06:21:52 | atmosphere | im pretty sure |
| 06:22:01 | atmosphere | i did like look at it and do what it said |
| 06:22:06 | atmosphere | so if it didnt ill do it over |
| 06:22:23 | atmosphere | nope didnt work |
| 06:22:25 | atmosphere | gotta try again |
| 06:22:38 | mud-rb | you probably skipped the bootloader steps.. |
| 06:22:53 | atmosphere | probably :) |
| 06:23:10 | atmosphere | i think msn and aim and tv need to go off |
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| 06:33:49 | atmosphere | mud |
| 06:33:50 | atmosphere | you there? |
| 06:34:00 | mud-rb | yep, what's up? |
| 06:34:09 | atmosphere | thank you |
| 06:34:10 | atmosphere | a lot |
| 06:34:12 | atmosphere | but now |
| 06:34:47 | atmosphere | when im in math next year, and my average is so low, because im busy playing helicopter game and watching fireworks ..on my mp3 player.. i'll blame it on you guys haha :) thanks so much |
| 06:34:54 | mud-rb | lol |
| 06:35:01 | mud-rb | no problem :) have fun |
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| 06:39:40 | atmosphere | does the thing refresh |
| 06:39:42 | atmosphere | every time |
| 06:39:43 | atmosphere | i charge it |
| 06:39:57 | atmosphere | cuz i had it working and i plugged it in |
| 06:40:08 | atmosphere | and now i took it out for a sec and it was refreshing not charging on the thingy |
| 06:40:51 | mud-rb | oh, you probably want to read the manual but: rockbox doesn't know how to deal with usb for transfering files and such so when it is off if you plug it in it will go to the original firmware so you can transfer files and charge |
| 06:40:54 | mud-rb | if that's what you mean |
| 06:41:05 | atmosphere | so then i just |
| 06:41:15 | atmosphere | restart |
| 06:41:17 | atmosphere | hmph |
| 06:41:33 | atmosphere | ahhhh |
| 06:41:34 | atmosphere | i see |
| 06:41:49 | atmosphere | rockbox = 20x faster then sansa crap |
| 06:41:55 | atmosphere | gg sandisk |
| 06:41:58 | mud-rb | haha, yeah |
| 06:42:53 | atmosphere | ty so much man im gonna go, peace |
| 06:42:59 | mud-rb | later |
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| 08:01:11 | bushblows | I am having a weird problem, have been trying for awhile now |
| 08:01:26 | bushblows | no matter what I can not get rockbox to boot on a 30gb ipod video |
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| 08:09:19 | mud-rb | is there some documentation of the do_menu thing for plguins? i don't see it |
| 08:18:09 | bospaadje | bushblows, have you followed the instructions in the manual? |
| 08:18:17 | bushblows | indeed |
| 08:18:33 | bushblows | I allready have bootloader2 installed with ipodlinux, works fine |
| 08:18:58 | bushblows | but rockbox wont boot, the .rockbox dir is in / of the ipod and the bootloader points to it |
| 08:19:16 | bushblows | RockBox @ (hd0,1).rockbox/rockbox.ipod |
| 08:19:25 | bushblows | that is the line I have in the bootloader.conf |
| 08:20:16 | mud-rb | ...have you asked the ipodlinux people? i certainly have no idea how their bootloader works, not sure if any of the devs do |
| 08:21:54 | amiconn | loader2 is an ipl thing, so ask there about configuration. Afaik you need a new enough version, older versions won't boot a recent rockbox |
| 08:22:59 | bushblows | I will try that now |
| 08:24:43 | * | amiconn wonders why so many people want to use loader2 instead of the rockbox bootloader... |
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| 08:24:59 | amiconn | ...but perhaps it's only those people who run into problems |
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| 08:25:30 | bushblows | does rockbox bootloader allow you to boot IPL as well? |
| 08:25:56 | amiconn | yes |
| 08:26:32 | bushblows | then I dont know, I guess bootloader is more known, I dont know |
| 08:26:56 | amiconn | Don't ask me about the details though. You need to put the linux kernel on the fat32 partition and hold a button at boot |
| 08:27:24 | bushblows | ah see I like bootloader, because it gives many options on boot |
| 08:27:40 | bushblows | ipod firmware, ipodlinux, rockbox, disc mode, sleep |
| 08:28:05 | amiconn | I don't use ipl; have used it once, seen it boot a single time and refusing it to boot again on my mini g2. Then ported rockbox the same day |
| 08:28:20 | bushblows | hehe, cool |
| 08:29:16 | amiconn | The rockbox bootloader also allows to choose between rockbox, apple fw and ipodlinux |
| 08:29:49 | amiconn | I don't know why I would need sleep when booting... |
| 08:31:20 | bushblows | say you turn lock off on accident, then you dont need to boot just to sleep |
| 08:32:17 | amiconn | Booting rockbox is faaast.... probably faster than using loader2, don't know |
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| 08:34:16 | mud-rb | i get the feeling i'm missing a ton of documentation for plugin devel stuff...does it just not exist or is there some repository of information that i'm not aware of? |
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| 08:35:00 | scorche | mud-rb: what sort of information are you looking for? |
| 08:35:27 | mud-rb | well right this second, i'm trying to figure out how to use the menu interface thing (i think it's do_menu in the plugin_api) |
| 08:35:56 | mud-rb | the stuff in docs/ doesn't even mention it, and i don't see anything in the For Developers part of the index or anything.. |
| 08:36:39 | scorche | typically people get by, by staring at teh api long enough and looking at how other plugins did it |
| 08:37:39 | mud-rb | ...i see |
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| 08:41:28 | mud-rb | okay whatever, i'll do without menu |
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| 08:48:22 | Falco98 | hmm.. is BlueBrother a chat member in here? |
| 08:48:34 | Falco98 | he just closed my bug report seemingly without reading it |
| 08:48:42 | amiconn | mud-rb: Just compare how other plugins do it, it's not really difficult |
| 08:48:54 | Falco98 | giving me a condescending "rtfm" even though his comment was (as far as i can tell?) clearly wrong |
| 08:48:57 | amiconn | And if you still have questions, ask JdGordon |
| 08:49:21 | mud-rb | well, there's scary notes scattered all over, like "/* Use these if your menu uses the new menu api. |
| 08:49:21 | mud-rb | REMEBER to call playback_control_init(rb) before rb->do_menu()... */ |
| 08:49:22 | mud-rb | " |
| 08:49:25 | Falco98 | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7363 |
| 08:49:29 | mud-rb | why would i do that, and what does that do? |
| 08:49:48 | markun | Falco98: let me check |
| 08:49:53 | Falco98 | thanx |
| 08:50:05 | markun | and yes, he's a chat member here |
| 08:50:16 | Falco98 | cool |
| 08:51:04 | markun | Falco98: I also think it's a bug |
| 08:51:15 | Falco98 | thanks |
| 08:51:19 | Falco98 | i requested a re-open |
| 08:51:42 | Falco98 | basically quoting the section of the manual he referred to and re-stating that i'm finding its behavior to be incorrect |
| 08:52:10 | Falco98 | can i edit the title of my bug? i should say "incorrect" in place of "inconsistent" |
| 08:52:24 | Falco98 | cuz it *is* consistent i guess.. just consistently wrong :-P |
| 08:53:15 | amiconn | mud-rb: Sounds like a left over comment. Where do you read that? |
| 08:53:59 | mud-rb | it's in apps/plugins/lib/playback_control.h |
| 08:54:04 | GodEater | I think someone needs to do some nice diagrams of how all the insert-next, queue, queue-next stuff works |
| 08:54:10 | GodEater | it makes my head hurt |
| 08:54:20 | Falco98 | haha |
| 08:54:25 | Falco98 | i understand it.. maybe i will :-P |
| 08:54:30 | scorche | GodEater: i believe paul did a nice layout of it in the forums |
| 08:54:36 | Falco98 | i kinda did that once for the different crossfade settings :-P |
| 08:54:38 | GodEater | shame it's in the forums =/ |
| 08:55:15 | GodEater | Falco98: well I personally would find it very useful - so if you do - make sure it goes in the wiki somewhere :) |
| 08:55:26 | Falco98 | ok, i'll try :-P |
| 08:55:28 | amiconn | GodEater: Insert, insert next, queue and queue next are rather simple imo |
| 08:55:36 | Falco98 | should it be like, a diagram then? hehe |
| 08:55:44 | scorche | GodEater: nothing a little searching wont fix |
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| 08:56:11 | GodEater | amiconn: thanks - now I feel stupid :) |
| 08:56:14 | amiconn | And they work as expected with single tracks. The bug report suggests that they don't work correctly with folders or playlists |
| 08:56:39 | GodEater | I think I encountered this same issue once actually |
| 08:56:46 | GodEater | but I just assumed I misunderstoof how it worked |
| 08:56:50 | GodEater | so didn't report it as a bug |
| 08:57:06 | amiconn | I rarely use those functions, I merely use 'insert shuffled' and 'insert last' - sometimes |
| 08:57:24 | markun | I only use 'insert last' |
| 08:57:36 | Falco98 | amiconn, you appear to be basically right... like, it will insert after the *first track* of the most recently inserted thing |
| 08:57:43 | Falco98 | (or, queue) |
| 08:58:00 | Falco98 | another confusing thing is that the actions of insert and queue both seem to be different in similar circumstances |
| 08:59:13 | Falco98 | which would be weird considering that the code for the two things should be nearly identical |
| 08:59:25 | GodEater | insert last seems an odd thing to call it - isn't "Append" a better description ? |
| 08:59:28 | Falco98 | at least, the algorithms for track placement based on prior operations |
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| 09:00:11 | Falco98 | GodEater: perhaps, but maintaining the "insert" and "queue" terminology is necessary both to maintain consistency and to differentiate between insertion and queueing |
| 09:01:24 | Falco98 | I'd kinda like a function called "insert/queue after..." which after selected, takes you to a view of the current playlist, with a little tick-selector you can use to select a track, and your insert/queue job will go in after whichever thing you pick |
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| 09:07:52 | Falco98 | ah, thanks to whoever re-opened my bug report =) |
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| 09:19:12 | amiconn | du??dlow? |
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| 09:35:25 | crop | On which platforms is the calendar plugin present? Only on those with RTC? |
| 09:35:51 | LinusN | think so |
| 09:35:59 | pondlife | lol - http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=54502 |
| 09:36:17 | pondlife | "Is it all over for h3xx rockbox? I know there are official builds still but they suck." |
| 09:36:46 | pondlife | I almost considered registering to respond |
| 09:37:01 | B4gder | hahahaha |
| 09:37:10 | B4gder | must... resist... |
| 09:37:15 | crop | LinusN: wouldn't it be sensible to also enable it for daps without RTC, and just set the date to some initial value, e.g. Jan 01 2000? It would be still useful to check a certain date (what day is it?) |
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| 09:37:44 | LinusN | crop: maybe |
| 09:38:00 | pondlife | B4gder: Did you see my comments about Flyspray notification? - as in, I'm not getting any... |
| 09:38:14 | B4gder | no I didn't... |
| 09:38:31 | crop | LinusN: "make a patch"? That'd probably be your next phase ;-) I know :-) |
| 09:38:38 | pondlife | Well, I'm not! It's not a junk filter at my end.... |
| 09:38:50 | scorche | haha...none of them can bear the thought of using the official build, eh? |
| 09:38:56 | pondlife | It used to work fine, but hasn't for about 1-2 months now. |
| 09:39:10 | LinusN | crop: "show me the code" :-) |
| 09:39:23 | pondlife | I mean, e-mails when watched tasks are updated. |
| 09:39:59 | LinusN | crop: i remember that this has been discussed a long time ago |
| 09:40:05 | pondlife | Ah, nm |
| 09:40:23 | pondlife | Flyspray upgrade must have cleared my "notify type" |
| 09:40:50 | crop | LinusN: very very long time ago? Then I probably missed that. A sensible start date would also be the build date. |
| 09:41:05 | crop | LinusN: and what was the result of the discussion? |
| 09:44:39 | petur | pondlife: thanks for that tip, it was switched off here too.. |
| 09:45:10 | GodEater | scorche: you still around ? |
| 09:45:15 | scorche | i am |
| 09:45:30 | GodEater | did you ever get around to writing up that stuff on git ? |
| 09:45:45 | scorche | oh...the wiki page? |
| 09:46:07 | GodEater | yes |
| 09:46:11 | GodEater | I had some more thoughts |
| 09:46:16 | scorche | no i didnt |
| 09:46:21 | GodEater | ah shame |
| 09:46:23 | scorche | been quite busy ever since devcon |
| 09:46:41 | GodEater | I could just start one I suppose - but it seems a shame for just the one or two points I wanted to make |
| 09:46:51 | GodEater | and I can't remember all the other stuff we chatted about |
| 09:47:22 | scorche | GodEater: there are logs |
| 09:47:48 | GodEater | true |
| 09:48:01 | GodEater | I'll guess I shall have to get off my lazy ass and go look at them :) |
| 09:48:43 | scorche | that reminds me....i still need to send off that main to redbreva... |
| 09:48:47 | scorche | mail |
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| 09:50:06 | LinusN | crop: you would have to look in the code and the patch tracker, and maybe the irc logs and the forum |
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| 09:54:45 | B4gder | I find it amusing that they (in that MR post) blame us focusing on a release |
| 09:54:56 | scorche | how dare we |
| 09:55:03 | B4gder | I thought that was about one of the things we don't focus on ,-) |
| 09:55:28 | scorche | it isnt rockbox that matters...it is the unofficial themes which in no way depend on the actual rockbox project! |
| 09:55:59 | crop | LinusN: ah, there is an entry in FS: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4760. I hope it will be eventually committed (when other daps are supported properly). |
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| 10:15:38 | petur | jhMikeS: there's a bugreport in the tracker claiming that line-in recording on X5 no longer works. Could that be or is his hardware broken maybe? |
| 10:18:34 | crop | jhMikeS: oh, are you here? I haven't noticed. |
| 10:19:19 | petur | probably his client auto-reconnecting |
| 10:19:29 | crop | jhMikeS: do your latest commits fix the FM problem? |
| 10:19:53 | crop | petur: hmm... maybe. He's in the US, right? So must be sleeping now |
| 10:28:33 | petur | 'should be' ;) |
| 10:30:22 | amiconn | crop: The current calendar plugin is for archos recorders *only* |
| 10:30:50 | amiconn | There is another one in the tracker which should work on all rtc targets, but has a couple of problems |
| 10:31:48 | amiconn | Iirc the result of discussion was that the new one should be fixed and then replace the current one. Someone needs to go ahead and do it |
| 10:32:12 | crop | amiconn: do you mean http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4760 ? |
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| 10:33:16 | GodEater | is there a neat way to search through our IRC logs? Or am I looking at "Guess the day we talked about X?" |
| 10:33:34 | crop | petur: you are a samrt guy! :-) |
| 10:33:44 | amiconn | GodEater: I have them all mirrored locally. Then I just grep.. |
| 10:33:54 | crop | GodEater: donload them all and use grep :-P |
| 10:34:03 | obo | GodEater: or adding site:www.rockbox.org/irc to a google search? |
| 10:34:34 | GodEater | obo: I'll try that one first :) |
| 10:35:28 | GodEater | superb - that got it :) |
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| 10:42:13 | scorche | Llorean: perfect timing |
| 10:42:22 | Llorean | That sounds dangerous |
| 10:43:13 | scorche | look at the bottom of http://www.rockbox-themes.org/upload.php ...does that mean that the themes that are submitted to that site are all under cc by sa and therefore can be edited up to date for our gallery? |
| 10:44:09 | scorche | it seems a bit vague about applying to the theme though |
| 10:44:15 | Llorean | scorche: I doubt it. |
| 10:44:43 | Llorean | Since the license comes after the submit/upload button, I think a "reasonable" interpretation is that the page itself comes under that. |
| 10:45:05 | scorche | well there is also things sprinked in that submission page suck as "and to assist with complying with the CC3 licence as specified below." |
| 10:45:06 | Llorean | Even if the intent was otherwise, copyright tends to require you to be very explicit about giving it up. |
| 10:45:22 | scorche | i see...was worth a shot though |
| 10:45:35 | Llorean | The intent is probably to license them under the CC3 |
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| 10:46:07 | Llorean | I'm just saying that the authors can probably argue that they haven't. That being said, I bet most of them think they have, and if they think they have, they have, really. Since they *meant* to by clicking upload. |
| 10:46:26 | Llorean | At least, that would be my guess. |
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| 10:56:42 | crop | B4gder: ping |
| 10:56:49 | GodEater | scorche : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GitVersionControl <−− start of my effort, and I haven't even got to the "ooh, ooh, ooh, I've thought of a great reason to start using git" revelation I had this morning. |
| 10:57:05 | * | B4gder pongs |
| 10:57:12 | * | GodEater holds his nose |
| 10:57:14 | pondlife | Phewee |
| 10:57:24 | scorche | GodEater: nice...i might add a bit to it tomorrow |
| 10:57:41 | crop | B4gder: did you write the script reader.pl for irc? |
| 10:57:48 | B4gder | no, Zagor did |
| 10:58:03 | GodEater | scorche: well keep an eye on it - I'm still going :) |
| 10:58:16 | pondlife | Interesting that the most downloaded WPS from rockbox-themes requires album art... |
| 10:58:19 | scorche | GodEater: well, i am heading off to bed here in the next few min |
| 10:58:45 | crop | B4gder, Zagor: could you tell me in some words how it works? I.e. continuous update. Is it JavaScript that adds rows to the end of the table? |
| 10:58:59 | Zagor | crop: no, it's pure http |
| 10:59:25 | Zagor | using Content-type: mixed |
| 10:59:37 | crop | Zagor: so every time a new post is detected, the whole day log is displayed anew? |
| 10:59:46 | Zagor | nono, only the new line |
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| 11:00:07 | Zagor | the mixed type allows incremental pages |
| 11:00:36 | crop | Zagor: ah! I should read up on this. Thanks. |
| 11:01:07 | Zagor | typo by me. "Content-type: multipart/mixed" is correct |
| 11:01:29 | scorche | heh.... ie6 doesnt like it at all |
| 11:01:32 | pondlife | Zagor: I suppose it'll work on IE when hell freezes over... I'm sure it's a M$ problem but the "Error: 'document.styleSheets.1.cssRules.0' is null or not an object" |
| 11:01:39 | pondlife | isn't nice |
| 11:01:51 | scorche | pondlife: jinx? =P |
| 11:01:53 | pondlife | Line 2, char 1 |
| 11:02:04 | pondlife | Oops, broke the jinx |
| 11:02:35 | Zagor | pondlife: yeah it's a problem in how msie handles the DOM. I'll see if I can fashion a fix somehow. but that doesn't break the page totally, does it? |
| 11:02:44 | pondlife | Yes |
| 11:02:48 | Zagor | badness |
| 11:02:49 | pondlife | I have to view raw |
| 11:02:56 | scorche | Zagor: i get just the header under ie |
| 11:03:09 | Zagor | ok |
| 11:03:14 | pondlife | Which is fine apart from the occasional day when that is badly formatted too. |
| 11:03:18 | Zagor | I'd better look at it then |
| 11:03:21 | pondlife | I mean the raw feed |
| 11:03:40 | scorche | Zagor: sorry to give you more work =) |
| 11:03:43 | crop | Zagor: under IE, I see an empty page |
| 11:03:48 | pondlife | I'm ok at home on Firefox, but then I have Miranda anyway... it's at worrk.. |
| 11:04:05 | pondlife | Where I'm not supposed to install other stuff |
| 11:04:30 | scorche | pondlife: portable firefox does wonders...then again, they probably dont liek USB keys either |
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| 11:05:02 | pondlife | Hmm, they don't like installing but they don't actually disable it (nor check regularly).. but I don't want to risk it |
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| 11:05:24 | pondlife | It would only lead to "What is this rockbox thing?" and "Are you working on it on our time?" |
| 11:05:29 | scorche | well, portable firefox doesnt install to the host.. |
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| 11:12:02 | crop | Zagor: is "keep alive" also a word to check? |
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| 11:13:15 | Zagor | crop: no, that's just me pushing out data every 15 seconds to avoid proxies etc closing down the socket |
| 11:14:37 | crop | Zagor: so if you hadn't it the page would still reload automatically? |
| 11:14:45 | Zagor | yes |
| 11:14:56 | petur | pondlife: http://www.ntalk.de/Nettalk/Files/Nettalk6usbv.zip is a version of NetTalk (IRC client for windows) that should run from usb stick. More info on http://www.ntalk.de/Nettalkdoku/doku.php?id=nettalk:faq (in German) |
| 11:16:12 | Llorean | Doesn't Miranda run from a USB stick if configured properly |
| 11:16:16 | Llorean | I seem to recall it being part of PortableApps. |
| 11:16:22 | bluebrother | there are also patches against xchat to run from a usb stick: http://xchat-win32.berlios.de/?page_id=5 |
| 11:16:31 | bluebrother | for those preferring xchat ;-) |
| 11:16:44 | petur | pondlife: from that German text: yoe additionally need to create a file called runmode.ini containing 'singelusermode = 1' and 'noregentry = 1' |
| 11:17:21 | crop | Zagor: but the whole html table is reloaded every x secs? (with x=15 sec) Why doesn't it jump then? Are the modern browsers that smart and good? |
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| 11:17:35 | petur | s/yoe/you |
| 11:17:36 | bluebrother | sing_el_usermode? Urgh. |
| 11:17:42 | amiconn | HydraIRC should run from a stick w/o any extra measure. It stores settings in the app dir |
| 11:18:43 | petur | bluebrother: could be typo on that page? Or German English ;) |
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| 11:19:25 | bluebrother | petur: looks like this stupid error that is quite common on german pages. I've seen tons of "dongel"s :/ |
| 11:20:09 | petur | bluebrother: the usbstick archive already contains the ini file, and it's not a typo in the faq but in his code ;) |
| 11:20:26 | bluebrother | wow. Even worse :( |
| 11:22:44 | pondlife | petur: Thanks, but I don't want to start bringing USB sticks to work either... |
| 11:23:47 | * | amiconn really likes rdp |
| 11:23:52 | bluebrother | pondlife: I used portable apps frequently on a uni machine even without a usb stick −− it's quite nice if you don't need to install something ;-) |
| 11:24:58 | pondlife | amiconn: That's a better idea... |
| 11:25:16 | pondlife | But maybe Zagor can come up with a fix for the many IE users out there... |
| 11:26:56 | * | Llorean wonders how it looks in 7 |
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| 11:27:39 | amiconn | Llorean: IE6 and 7 have the same problem with the irc log viewer |
| 11:27:56 | crop | Llorean: in IE 7, I have an empty page |
| 11:27:56 | pondlife | Llorean: IE7 would force me to upgrade to WinXP.... ain't happening! |
| 11:28:07 | amiconn | Actually there are 2 problems, one of which should be fixable (the css problem) and the other might be unfixable at all |
| 11:28:16 | Llorean | amiconn: I was just wondering because so far only 6 had been specifically mentioned. |
| 11:28:22 | amiconn | I have 7 |
| 11:28:25 | Llorean | Ok |
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| 11:28:35 | amiconn | ...and I tried bioth. Exactly the same problems |
| 11:29:13 | markun | pondlife: which OS are you using? |
| 11:29:30 | GodEater | win2k I guess |
| 11:31:06 | pondlife | Yep |
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| 11:50:51 | GodEater | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GitVersionControl <−− About done I think. Feel free to add comments or other relevant points please. |
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| 12:00:09 | bluebrother | GodEater: how about a git-svn howto so interested people could try using git that way? |
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| 12:01:02 | GodEater | bluebrother: I'm sure there are hundreds of those out there already |
| 12:01:09 | GodEater | if you find a good one by all means link it ;) |
| 12:01:35 | bluebrother | haven't searched intensively yet, but I wondered if I should try using git that way ;-) |
| 12:01:52 | The-Compiler | Hi there |
| 12:02:31 | GodEater | I think a couple of our devs already do |
| 12:03:03 | bluebrother | well, but if devs do so, is there a need to move the main repository anyway? |
| 12:03:55 | GodEater | there's no *need* no |
| 12:04:09 | GodEater | but it would encourage more people to make the change |
| 12:04:24 | GodEater | making the interchange of code a snap |
| 12:04:33 | GodEater | if we maintain a mix of those who do and those who don't |
| 12:04:38 | GodEater | we don't get all the advantages |
| 12:05:27 | bluebrother | well, we want a central server anyway, right? Then we can encourage people to use git anyway. |
| 12:05:53 | bluebrother | as there is no strict dependency for some central server being git itself. |
| 12:06:30 | GodEater | no, but if the central repository was git, then there'd be no question of what other people had to use to get at it |
| 12:06:53 | bospaadje | hi all |
| 12:06:54 | bospaadje | i don't like the scrolling behaviour on my ipod, when I try to scroll slowly it starts skipping entries. Even if I stop scrolling (but keep touching the scrollwheel), then continue scrolling, it skips entries like I never stopped scrolling |
| 12:06:56 | bluebrother | does it work well on windows right now btw? |
| 12:06:58 | GodEater | no encouragement required ;) |
| 12:07:11 | GodEater | bluebrother: it works in cygwin apparently - though I've not tried it personally |
| 12:10:13 | GodEater | as with all things cygwin it's probably dog slow |
| 12:10:13 | bluebrother | bospaadje: disable the scroll acceleration |
| 12:10:13 | GodEater | bospaadje: when did you last update ? |
| 12:10:13 | bluebrother | I haven't tried myself, but I heared that it's dog slow on windows. Plus, it needs cygwin, which is dog slow itself too ... |
| 12:10:13 | GodEater | that behaviour should have gone |
| 12:10:13 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK GodEater |
| 12:10:13 | GodEater | bluebrother: there's always the vmware image :) |
| 12:10:13 | bluebrother | GodEater: now convince those TortoiseSVN users ;-) |
| 12:10:13 | GodEater | a trickier task I would imagine =/ |
| 12:10:13 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK bluebrother |
| 12:10:13 | bluebrother | which is (as far as I read on the net) also a reason why some projects haven't changed to git −− windows support |
| 12:10:13 | bospaadje | bluebrother: thanks, should've known there was a setting for that somewhere |
| 12:10:13 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 12:10:13 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK GodEater_ |
| 12:10:13 | GodEater | yes - the wikipedia article mentions it |
| 12:10:15 | GodEater | mozilla and ruby both decided against git for that reason |
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| 12:11:26 | GodEater | I can't remember what our windows / posix developer mix ratio is |
| 12:12:10 | amiconn | GodEater: The cygwin slowness isn't cygwins fault. It's most probably the windows filesystem layer |
| 12:12:25 | GodEater | amiconn: yes - that's ALSO mentioned in the wikipedia article ;) |
| 12:12:25 | amiconn | Even microsoft sfu suffers from that problem |
| 12:13:13 | bluebrother | GodEater: make a poll ;-) |
| 12:13:22 | GodEater | bluebrother: I think I did - it mostly got ignored |
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| 12:14:20 | bluebrother | grrr. tex4ht is really a pain |
| 12:15:03 | GodEater | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9098.0 |
| 12:15:13 | GodEater | although that's not entirely fair, as I didn't allow windows as a choice |
| 12:15:35 | bluebrother | I even voted on that poll ;-) |
| 12:15:47 | GodEater | hehe |
| 12:15:57 | GodEater | dan_a is our git-svn user as I recall |
| 12:16:46 | bospaadje | GodEater, I updated to the latest build just now and the scrolling problem i had appears to have been fixed :-) |
| 12:17:00 | markun | GodEater: nice wiki article you wrote there |
| 12:17:31 | GodEater | bospaadje: I think you got unlucky, that problem was only in RB for a day I think! |
| 12:17:41 | GodEater | markun: why thank you kind sir :) |
| 12:18:21 | Llorean | But that does reinforce why we ask you to confirm it on the latest build *before* asking. |
| 12:18:43 | GodEater | Llorean: I take it bospaadje hasn't donated yet ? :) |
| 12:19:15 | Llorean | :-p |
| 12:19:43 | bospaadje | yeah sorry, I'll remind that |
| 12:19:55 | bospaadje | *remember |
| 12:20:14 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 12:20:26 | GodEater | bluebrother: so did you ever end up switching? Or are you still a Fedora man ? |
| 12:21:47 | bluebrother | still on fedora. I tried Gentoo on my old box, but that box is painfully slow |
| 12:22:07 | GodEater | not a good thing for a gentoo box to be |
| 12:22:08 | GodEater | :) |
| 12:22:12 | markun | Llorean: what do you think of making (or applying) the forum guidelines less strict and just not answering questions you don't want to answer? |
| 12:22:14 | bluebrother | and currently I really need a working machine. No disk space for a second installation around |
| 12:22:33 | GodEater | markun: the fear is the signal to noise would be even worse if we did that |
| 12:22:36 | markun | I don't mind to point noobs a bit in the right direction from time to time |
| 12:23:23 | markun | GodEater: ok, but now the 'tone' seams a bit agressive sometimes to me |
| 12:23:57 | markun | maybe I'm just too soft, I don't know |
| 12:23:59 | Llorean | markun: The problem is that having fifty topics on the same thing, with some of them answered by people who don't know what they're talking about makes using the search function nearly useless. |
| 12:24:21 | markun | Llorean: yes, that's a problem |
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| 12:24:27 | Llorean | In one manner or other it becomes essential to either make sure they have a clear and proper answer, or prune the repeated topics. |
| 12:24:30 | DerPapst | morning :) |
| 12:24:59 | Llorean | If the rules are too harsh, I'm more than happy to lighten them up in some areas, but they need to be harsh enough to unsure a good "useful information density" and because of that, they do need to be enforced. |
| 12:25:07 | markun | Llorean: but I would prefer to put a link to a thread or other place where the question is answered instead of telling them "read the guidelines" |
| 12:25:12 | Llorean | But they can certainly be changed somewhat |
| 12:25:19 | markun | that also doesn't make searching easier |
| 12:25:33 | Llorean | I can't do that, though. |
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| 12:25:43 | Llorean | People need to be aware that the guidelines exist, and that they most certainly are enforced. |
| 12:25:57 | Llorean | If you aren't going to enforce them, why have them in the first place? |
| 12:26:31 | markun | how about pointing them to the guidelines, pointing them to the answer and closing the thread? |
| 12:26:43 | DerPapst | i've a kind of off-topic/on-topic question... anyone uses SuSE in here and knows how to update the kernel? I'm still running the 2.6.13 kernel which has a nice bug that prevents SDL from compiling or using. |
| 12:27:24 | GodEater | DerPapst: I take it you're not keen on compiling your own ? |
| 12:27:30 | Llorean | markun: I assume you're referencing the recent feature request post. |
| 12:27:46 | DerPapst | GodEater: yep :( |
| 12:27:46 | markun | Llorean: that's one example yes |
| 12:27:50 | Llorean | markun: What "answer" could I have pointed them to? |
| 12:27:58 | Llorean | It doesn't belong in the forums at all. |
| 12:28:15 | GodEater | DerPapst: why? You seem a capable sort of guy, what is your fear ? |
| 12:28:30 | markun | Well, I could have told him that there was someone working on it who was haning around #gigabeat, but I didn't hear from him in a long while |
| 12:28:34 | Llorean | In most cases, they'll be referenced to either the manual or a wiki page, and told to read the guidelines. |
| 12:29:05 | DerPapst | GodEater: the SuSE kernel has lots of other stuff in it afaik. I tried compiling a clean 2.6.21 kernel a while ago but failed. |
| 12:29:05 | GodEater | Llorean: I think you should hand over the admin reins to markun for a month, until he's as bitter and jaded as the rest of us :) |
| 12:29:14 | markun | I think a discussion about non existing rockbox features is so bad |
| 12:29:26 | markun | GodEater: I think you got me convinced already :) |
| 12:29:28 | Llorean | GodEater: I didn't actually lock the thread. |
| 12:29:36 | markun | is NOT so bad :) |
| 12:29:40 | Llorean | I think that was a clear sign anyone was still free to respond to it. ;) |
| 12:30:12 | Llorean | markun: The idea is that feature requests should go to the tracker, so that people interested in feature requests know where to look for them. |
| 12:30:14 | GodEater | DerPapst: where did your kernel fail to work ? |
| 12:30:35 | Llorean | But we *especially* don't need people reposting things repeatedly if they think they're being ignored |
| 12:30:41 | Llorean | Which is what that user was doing, to their own admission. |
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| 12:30:56 | Llorean | Their feature request sat for a whole three weeks, so they felt they needed to post it again. |
| 12:30:59 | markun | Llorean: but if someone would ask "is a quake 2 port possible" do you think it should be a feature request which then later gets closed again? |
| 12:31:36 | markun | or is it a valid question to ask in the forum? |
| 12:31:48 | Llorean | markun: Asking if something is possible is different from saying "I want you guys to do this" |
| 12:32:15 | DerPapst | GodEater: you mean while compiling? dunno to be honest. either somewhere in configure or right after make ;) |
| 12:32:34 | GodEater | DerPapst: ah - you mean it didn't even build - I thought you meant you'd installed it and it didn't boot |
| 12:32:42 | GodEater | I've not seen a kernel that won't compile for while |
| 12:33:00 | Llorean | markun: If someone posts a feature request in the forums, I will do one of two things. Say "It's impossible" or say "Please post this in the proper place" |
| 12:33:21 | mud-rb | i assume suse has a packaging system with kernels in it, do you even need to compile your own if you don't want to? |
| 12:33:24 | DerPapst | GodEater: i dunno what the guys from novell did to SuSE :P |
| 12:33:29 | markun | Llorean: looking at the thread again I think you are right :) |
| 12:33:37 | Llorean | If they say "Is it possible to do this" I will likely say "Yes, why don't you post it as a feature request" and never mention guidelines at all |
| 12:34:10 | GodEater | in fact, I just built a 2.6.22-rc4 for my PS3 |
| 12:34:28 | DerPapst | mud-rb: i thought so too but i haven't found anything. today my package manager updated to 2.6.13-15 or something :-/ |
| 12:34:42 | mud-rb | haha godeater, if you haven't gotten a failed kernel compile you haven't tried very hard :) |
| 12:34:43 | GodEater | that's a very old kernel now |
| 12:34:53 | GodEater | mud-rb: no, I just know what I'm doing |
| 12:34:53 | mud-rb | and sdl just isn't working with that kernel version somehow? |
| 12:35:43 | DerPapst | mud-rb: not at all. it will error whihle compining and it complains when you try to run a pre-built. |
| 12:36:19 | mud-rb | and there's no sdl package of some kind for suse? |
| 12:36:28 | DerPapst | mud-rb: something is broken with the joystick stuff ^^ |
| 12:37:21 | DerPapst | mud-rb: there are packages that claim to work on suse 10.X but they don't if you have 2.6.13 |
| 12:37:48 | mud-rb | ...i see. that sounds scary |
| 12:38:20 | mud-rb | i assume switching to a distro that doesn't have really old kernels and broken major packages isn't an option? |
| 12:39:27 | DerPapst | it is. but i'm lazy :P i hoped there is another way than wiping my SuSE installation. |
| 12:39:36 | mud-rb | hehe, yeah.. |
| 12:39:42 | GodEater | DerPapst: There is - learn to compile a kernel! |
| 12:40:20 | GodEater | DerPapst: do you have a /proc/config.gz ? |
| 12:41:42 | mud-rb | or sometimes there will be a copy of the kernel config in /boot if it's mounted |
| 12:41:55 | DerPapst | GodEater: yes. |
| 12:42:04 | bluebrother | nice. I got htlatex use the name property for anchors instead of id |
| 12:42:18 | GodEater | DerPapst: did you try using that as the .config file when you built your 2.6.22 kernel ? |
| 12:42:35 | DerPapst | no :) |
| 12:42:45 | GodEater | try that then |
| 12:42:48 | GodEater | unzip it obviously |
| 12:42:57 | GodEater | and rename it .config in your /usr/src/linux directory |
| 12:43:03 | GodEater | then just do "make" |
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| 12:43:31 | mud-rb | make oldconfig first sometimes helps, i think it tries to do some fixupsfor things that have changed |
| 12:45:33 | DerPapst | /usr/scr/linux is a symlink that should point to the new downloaded kernel source i guess... |
| 12:45:41 | mud-rb | exactly |
| 12:46:29 | DerPapst | ok. i'll try it when i get home today after work. |
| 12:46:39 | DerPapst | thank you both :) |
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| 12:47:20 | mud-rb | good luck :) make sure you backup your old so you can at least boot |
| 12:47:37 | GodEater | or just don't overwrite it |
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| 12:47:49 | GodEater | and put the new one is as an new entry to your grub.conf / lilo.conf |
| 12:48:18 | GodEater | which is what I always do incase I do something dumb like "forget to include support for the root filesystem" |
| 12:48:20 | DerPapst | but honestly i think there should be a way to simply update SuSE 10.0 to e.g. 10.2 without downloadin an entire DVD and make a new installation :-/ |
| 12:48:29 | DerPapst | GodEater: Thanks, will do :) |
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| 12:48:38 | * | GodEater loathes rpm based distros |
| 12:52:13 | mud-rb | eh, i wouldn't count suse as a representative sample...it seems rather braindead from everything i've heard |
| 12:52:13 | DerPapst | what do you guys prefer (without starting a distro war) |
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| 12:52:13 | mud-rb | i liked fedora, it was pretty nice, probably going back to it soon. using ubuntu now and it's not horrible |
| 12:52:13 | mud-rb | i used to use gentoo and it's nice if you like tinkering |
| 12:52:13 | * | GodEater has used gentoo for the last four years |
| 12:52:13 | DerPapst | well i'm a long term windows user.. don't overestimate my skills :D |
| 12:52:13 | GodEater | before that I used Mandrake, and learned to hate it |
| 12:52:13 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK mud-rb |
| 12:52:13 | mud-rb | ubuntu is probably the most geared towards newbies/casual users |
| 12:52:13 | GodEater | orignally started off with Slackware in like, erm, 1993/4 I think |
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| 12:52:13 | GodEater | kernel version 1.3 ! |
| 12:52:15 | DerPapst | haha |
| 12:52:36 | GodEater | and gcc produced a.out format binaries |
| 12:52:39 | GodEater | not elf |
| 12:52:44 | mud-rb | der: if that was in regards to ubuntu, it has kde if you want it :) just get kubuntu, that's actually what i use |
| 12:52:46 | GodEater | those were the days ;) |
| 12:53:14 | GodEater | linuxstb: did you actually USE the pre 1.0 kernels ? |
| 12:53:22 | DerPapst | mud-rb: i have a kubuntu dvd flying arround here ;) |
| 12:53:24 | GodEater | you must have had some pretty specific kit to do that |
| 12:53:37 | linuxstb | I'm pretty sure I did. |
| 12:53:41 | GodEater | wow |
| 12:53:54 | amiconn | Well the first SuSE I dealt with had some 0.99.xx kernel |
| 12:53:55 | GodEater | I seem to recall they only supported like one specific SCSI controller |
| 12:54:07 | Ctcp | Ignored 4 channel CTCP requests in 7 seconds at the last flood |
| 12:54:07 | * | GodEater didn't realise SuSE was that old |
| 12:54:08 | amiconn | (iirc) |
| 12:54:33 | linuxstb | I remember downloading slackware on about 50 floppy disks and taking them home from University to install on my PC, and half the disks being corrupted, so having to go back and download them again... |
| 12:54:43 | GodEater | ouch |
| 12:54:48 | linuxstb | ... and then again... |
| 12:54:53 | GodEater | I think I got it off a magazine cover CD |
| 12:55:01 | GodEater | installed it with UMSDOS |
| 12:55:01 | linuxstb | CD? Luxury... |
| 12:55:04 | DerPapst | zomg... hahah |
| 12:55:05 | GodEater | Never, ever ever again |
| 12:55:17 | GodEater | the SLOWEST file system in existence |
| 12:55:34 | * | bluebrother rembers a bad experience with umsdos ... |
| 12:55:35 | * | DerPapst installed windows 95 with floppy disks once... |
| 12:55:37 | GodEater | "No need to repartition" my arse |
| 12:55:42 | DerPapst | took me half a day |
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| 12:55:50 | GodEater | only if you don't mind waiting a gazillion years for anything to happen |
| 12:55:51 | mud-rb | wow i don't even know what umsdos is... |
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| 12:56:05 | mud-rb | oh linux in dos or something? |
| 12:56:17 | GodEater | mud-rb: it was a unix file system on top of the 8.3 format DOS system |
| 12:56:20 | GodEater | so pre-vfat |
| 12:56:32 | mud-rb | oh i see |
| 12:56:41 | GodEater | each file was actually two - one with the content, and one with the metadata |
| 12:56:44 | GodEater | nice idea |
| 12:56:50 | mud-rb | that sounds horrible, i remember the 8.3 DOS file system and it was horrible enough on it's own |
| 12:56:51 | GodEater | absolutely horrific performance |
| 12:57:17 | GodEater | I seem to recall it took about 2 hours for me to delete the install and start again |
| 12:57:27 | mud-rb | nice |
| 12:57:29 | DerPapst | heh |
| 12:57:36 | GodEater | "rd /s" screamed in pain when I started.... |
| 12:57:43 | DerPapst | good ol' times :P |
| 12:57:56 | * | GodEater shudders |
| 12:58:33 | GodEater | I don't even want to think about how fragemented your drive got if you actually used it for any length of time |
| 12:58:56 | mud-rb | clearly it was designed to be slow enough that that problem would never appear |
| 12:59:02 | DerPapst | this really sounds like i've missed a big load of fun while playing with windows 3.11 :-/ |
| 12:59:04 | GodEater | possibly ;) |
| 12:59:24 | GodEater | DerPapst: only if you're the sort of person that considers "sawing your own leg off" as "fun" |
| 12:59:41 | DerPapst | hehe |
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| 13:00:35 | peppo | "device not accepting adress" usb error in Linux is driving me crazy :/ |
| 13:00:42 | peppo | can I somehow help debug it more properly? |
| 13:00:55 | DerPapst | i still have a copy of windows 1.0.1 :D |
| 13:01:35 | DerPapst | but honestly.. windows vista isn't as colourfull as windows 1.0.1 ;) |
| 13:01:44 | GodEater | and that's a bad thing ? :) |
| 13:02:05 | DerPapst | i liked it :P |
| 13:02:06 | mud-rb | haha i got windows 1.0 working in a vm at one point. god was it awful |
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| 13:03:40 | DerPapst | norton commander was better but the old micorsoft/windows logo was some nice piece of ascii art (well it wan't that nice) |
| 13:03:54 | DerPapst | *wasn't |
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| 13:05:31 | GodEater | X-Tree Gold 4 Life! |
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| 13:09:00 | DerPapst | he has all the good games... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Xtreegold-3.0.png |
| 13:10:32 | GodEater | hahaha - so he does! |
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| 13:15:03 | mud-rb | wow, it's like someone went through plugin.h and only documented the functions that are bleeding obvious... |
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| 13:19:43 | B4gder | feel free to improve |
| 13:20:25 | mud-rb | if i ever figure them out i'll do my best...i hate to be a bitch but it really is lame having all of these nice features that i'm probably reimplementing myself because i have no idea what anything does... |
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| 13:23:49 | LinusN | mud-rb: yes, being lame is one of the big virtues in this project |
| 13:24:19 | mud-rb | :) |
| 13:24:33 | linuxstb | mud-rb: But if you have any questions about what's available, just ask... |
| 13:25:10 | LinusN | mud-rb: as with all projects of this nature, time is mostly spent on implementing and not documenting |
| 13:25:39 | B4gder | for some unknown reason, people spend time on what they consider is fun |
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| 13:25:54 | mud-rb | LinusN: oh i understand, and i normall agree but a quick source comment would be nice at least |
| 13:26:06 | mud-rb | like int set_int, what exactly is this last argument? |
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| 13:26:16 | mud-rb | bool (*set_int)(const unsigned char* string, const char* unit, int voice_unit, |
| 13:26:17 | mud-rb | int* variable, void (*function)(int), int step, int min, |
| 13:26:17 | mud-rb | int max, void (*formatter)(char*, int, int, const char*) ); |
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| 13:27:04 | linuxstb | Have you found where the function is implemented? That may give you a clue. Or search for places where it is used. |
| 13:27:11 | mud-rb | it's all NULL |
| 13:27:18 | mud-rb | in every place i know what's going on |
| 13:27:39 | mud-rb | which is probably a clue, but it kind of bugs me not having any idea what it does... |
| 13:27:40 | LinusN | i believe it is a callback to a function to format the string |
| 13:28:17 | linuxstb | A quick grep shows that In settings.c, the "set_sound" function calls it with &dec_sound_formatter - so you can look at what that function does. |
| 13:28:34 | mud-rb | ah i didn't see that, i'll go look for it |
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| 13:29:37 | GodEater | good god, I'd forgotten how truly ugly C can look |
| 13:31:19 | B4gder | http://www0.us.ioccc.org/1986/august.c what do you mean? B-] |
| 13:32:07 | mud-rb | hahah. you know there's only one of those i think i ever understood, and it was the one with a blank .c file |
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| 13:33:39 | GodEater | I preferred the one of those that was ascii art of the "Cat in the hat" |
| 13:33:59 | B4gder | there are many good ones in there, I just quickly picked one at random |
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| 13:34:51 | LinusN | speaking of writing good self-documenting code, "Code Craft" by P.Goodliffe is a pretty good book on the subject |
| 13:35:50 | B4gder | and hey, out of the top-10 rockbox committers I believe I am the one with the highest comment ratio! ;-) |
| 13:36:01 | B4gder | http://www.ohloh.net/projects/3978/analyses/latest/contributors?page=1 |
| 13:36:35 | mud-rb | wow, that's really cool |
| 13:36:36 | B4gder | jdgordon and slasheri covering the other end of the list :-) |
| 13:37:22 | * | LinusN should write more comments |
| 13:37:26 | Zagor | that page shows off my laziness in a quite unacceptable manner |
| 13:38:43 | LinusN | :-) |
| 13:40:37 | LinusN | "Person years" - how politically correct :-) |
| 13:41:22 | Zagor | otherwise the female programmers would be offended. all five of them. ;) |
| 13:41:30 | LinusN | LOL!!! |
| 13:41:41 | * | linuxstb is scared that that he modified 194,455 lines of code |
| 13:42:22 | LinusN | looks like my strategy to commit one file at a time has paid off :-) |
| 13:42:41 | linuxstb | I thought the strategy was multiple oops commits? |
| 13:42:48 | LinusN | that too |
| 13:42:49 | LinusN | :-) |
| 13:43:15 | LinusN | i think i'm leading the "oops" commit league |
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| 13:48:07 | Zagor | we should have a red build toplist :) |
| 13:48:46 | petur | yes, count all the points deltas :) |
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| 13:49:39 | B4gder | we need more blame and guilt involved |
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| 13:52:43 | pixelma | what if they were not your points... ;) |
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| 13:56:04 | petur | pixelma: that's why I said delta |
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| 14:03:14 | crop | In the last commit by Mike Sevakis, wouldn't it be good to define a delay macro with a param? I'll ask him when he shows up here. |
| 14:03:59 | crop | BTW: do other platforms also need such func? Then it could be moved to the target tree. |
| 14:04:29 | crop | If I understand what target tree is, of course :-) |
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| 14:05:15 | crop | jhMikeS: this time really? |
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| 14:12:07 | linuxstb | petur: If you count all the point deltas, everyone will be zero... |
| 14:12:38 | petur | you could count the negatives separately |
| 14:13:02 | petur | and it could encourage to try and fix bugs of others :) |
| 14:13:05 | linuxstb | I guess we've lost the point history now anyway... |
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| 14:52:59 | bluebrother | tried ctags or something similar? |
| 14:53:45 | bluebrother | arg. ignore me. |
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| 15:06:02 | Benedikt | hi |
| 15:06:13 | Benedikt | one question I installed rockbox on my ipod |
| 15:06:22 | Benedikt | with the rockbox boot loader |
| 15:06:48 | Benedikt | and he finds an error at can't load rockbox.ipod |
| 15:06:54 | Benedikt | File not found |
| 15:07:05 | Benedikt | somebody has an idee? |
| 15:07:14 | linuxstb | Did you install Rockbox itself? i.e. download rockbox.zip and extract it to your ipod? |
| 15:07:21 | Benedikt | yes |
| 15:07:32 | Benedikt | i had the windows installer.. |
| 15:07:44 | linuxstb | Which windows installer? Rockbox Utility? |
| 15:08:03 | markun | Benedikt: can you check if the file .rockbox/rockbox.ipod exists then? |
| 15:08:16 | Benedikt | the problem ist |
| 15:08:27 | Benedikt | that i can't go on my ipod |
| 15:08:28 | Benedikt | anymore |
| 15:08:36 | Benedikt | it isn't shown in windows. |
| 15:08:39 | Benedikt | any more ^^ |
| 15:08:55 | Benedikt | Quelle: http://www.rockbox.org/download/rockbox-2.5-install.exe |
| 15:08:55 | Benedikt | Ziel: C:\Documents and Settings\Benedikt\Desktop\rockbox-2.5-install.exe |
| 15:08:55 | Benedikt | Größe: 1,5 MB (1.536.999 Bytes) |
| 15:08:55 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Benedikt |
| 15:08:55 | Benedikt | Übertragen: 1,5 MB (1.536.999 Bytes) |
| 15:09:05 | Benedikt | des packet hab ich ^^ |
| 15:09:11 | markun | 2.5? |
| 15:09:15 | Benedikt | yes |
| 15:09:16 | linuxstb | That's an installer for a very old version of Rockbox that doesn't work on ipods |
| 15:09:22 | Benedikt | oh oke ^^ |
| 15:09:28 | Benedikt | but there was no other ^^ |
| 15:09:30 | linuxstb | You should follow the install instructions in the manual |
| 15:09:38 | Benedikt | oke |
| 15:09:51 | markun | Benedikt: try this one http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility |
| 15:10:01 | markun | linuxstb: what's the key combo to get into disk come? |
| 15:10:03 | markun | disk mode |
| 15:10:09 | bluebrother | Benedikt: the top of that page tells you that it won't work on the Ipod. |
| 15:10:24 | bluebrother | you can use RockboxUtility for installation if you want to |
| 15:10:26 | linuxstb | markun: MENU+SELECT to reboot, then SELECT+PLAY for disk mode. (it's different on 3g and earlier ipods) |
| 15:10:32 | Benedikt | its action an back |
| 15:10:59 | Benedikt | now am in srv diag boot |
| 15:11:37 | bluebrother | what keys have you pressed? Select + Play enters emergency disk mode |
| 15:11:48 | Benedikt | mom |
| 15:11:54 | Benedikt | with my ipod generation5? |
| 15:12:14 | bluebrother | that combination works on all ipods after the 3G |
| 15:12:14 | Benedikt | ahh |
| 15:12:30 | Benedikt | ah now i see |
| 15:12:36 | Benedikt | it in the explorer ^^!! |
| 15:13:22 | bluebrother | hmm. The release download page was changed quite a while ago ... |
| 15:13:31 | Benedikt | oke ^^ |
| 15:14:01 | Benedikt | is the download from the page you gave me supporting ipod gen 5? |
| 15:14:08 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 15:14:08 | * | bluebrother wonders if it's really that hard to understand that 2.5 won't work on all other devices but archos |
| 15:14:11 | Benedikt | because i can't choose it in the devise list.. |
| 15:14:28 | bluebrother | ok. Go to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility |
| 15:14:30 | Benedikt | ah oke ^^ |
| 15:14:31 | Benedikt | sorry |
| 15:14:37 | Benedikt | i just didn't see it ^^ |
| 15:14:43 | krp | hi everyone |
| 15:14:50 | krp | i just wanted to say : rockbox is great :) |
| 15:14:53 | bluebrother | scroll to the download links somewhere in the middle of that page. |
| 15:14:58 | krp | put it yesterday on my sansa e260 |
| 15:15:22 | krp | which made me think: the original sansa firmware is CRAP |
| 15:15:36 | bluebrother | download this: domonoky/rbutil-v0.3.2.5.zip">http://b23.org/~domonoky/rbutil-v0.3.2.5.zip |
| 15:15:38 | krp | i mean it couldn't even play music right |
| 15:16:39 | markun | krp: thanks for the compliment :) |
| 15:17:33 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 15:19:48 | bluebrother | Benedikt: got that? |
| 15:20:08 | Benedikt | bluebrother yes it works now ^^ |
| 15:20:11 | Benedikt | thx |
| 15:20:20 | bluebrother | good. Then please read the manual. |
| 15:20:33 | Benedikt | kk |
| 15:20:36 | bluebrother | http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 15:21:08 | bluebrother | it contains quite a number of important information. Including installation instructions :P |
| 15:22:17 | krp | markun: i was also suprised to see battery usage is ok, maybe even better than with the original firmware |
| 15:22:30 | Llorean | krp: Not on the Sansa. |
| 15:23:00 | Llorean | Most people experience measurably less in Rockbox. |
| 15:24:20 | krp | in the system information |
| 15:24:28 | krp | it gives me "48% 2h38" |
| 15:24:50 | markun | krp: don't trust that info |
| 15:24:56 | krp | should i assume a full battery could let me use it for around 5hours ? |
| 15:24:57 | krp | ah |
| 15:25:11 | markun | rely on the time your sansa works before it shuts down |
| 15:25:20 | krp | i trust the 48%, of course i don't trust on the time |
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| 15:33:34 | crashmatrix | is it safe to dd my ipod video hd and then start a new fs from scratch? |
| 15:37:00 | crashmatrix | I guess there is a RTFM lurking around here somewhere, but I can't quite seem to find it |
| 15:37:06 | linuxstb | crashmatrix: No |
| 15:37:24 | linuxstb | The hard disk also contains the firmware, and if you erase that, your ipod won't boot |
| 15:38:06 | linuxstb | This page may be helpful though - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore |
| 15:39:40 | crop | jhMikeS: peng |
| 15:40:11 | crashmatrix | ah, good |
| 15:40:34 | crashmatrix | so I can't fuck it up beyond repair, and I'm already dd-ing the entire hd so it's cool |
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| 15:40:38 | crashmatrix | thanks linuxstb |
| 15:41:01 | crashmatrix | (with dd-ing, I mean dd backup to a raw copy of the fs) |
| 15:41:44 | GodEater | crashmatrix: so just the second partition then ? |
| 15:42:34 | crashmatrix | GodEater, so just the second partition what exactly? |
| 15:44:07 | crashmatrix | What happened was; when I hooked it up, I noticed that the fat32 part of the ipod was only, say 7 gigs large, hence I was thinking about cfdisking the whole thing and starting from scratch so I won't miss like, 23 gigs of space :/ |
| 15:44:45 | GodEater | dd'ing the whole ipod will not give you "a raw copy of the fs" it'll give you the whole disk - including the firmware partition |
| 15:45:54 | crashmatrix | GodEater, I know that |
| 15:46:10 | crashmatrix | that's why I'm doing so, just to be on the safe side |
| 15:46:14 | GodEater | so my question was "are you only dd'ing the second partition?" |
| 15:46:30 | crashmatrix | no, the entire disk, from 0 to 30 gigs |
| 15:47:58 | crashmatrix | which includes the second partition, but the "problem" is, there are three seperate spaces, first a non-fat32 block with what I assume to be firmware from apple, then a small fat32 partition and THEN 23 gigs of nothing |
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| 15:49:01 | GodEater | so your image will end up with 23 gigs of nothing in it. Not very efficient if you ask me, but whatever blows you hair back. |
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| 15:49:33 | crashmatrix | GodEater, I'm not stupid, I'm running it through a gzip, the image is barely 250 megs large atm |
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| 15:52:18 | GodEater | yes, but you're still reading through 23 gigs of nothing at all for no reason I can see. But like I say, it's your party. |
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| 15:53:03 | crashmatrix | GodEater, before I asked here, I didn't know what the hell was in there, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't going to ruin it all by making one mistake |
| 15:53:39 | crashmatrix | Seems to me being safe and sure is better then scratching behind my ear in a couple of hours thinking "if only" |
| 15:53:49 | GodEater | anyone object to me putting a .ebuild for rbutil up onto the wiki (as soon as I've finished writing it) ? |
| 15:54:23 | GodEater | crashmatrix: I'm not arguing with you. Feel free to do it twice if you like. |
| 15:55:14 | crashmatrix | Course it's my party, off course it seems useless now, and yes I should feel less attacked on irc, damn I fall for that every time :/ |
| 15:55:19 | crashmatrix | sorry if I seemed rude or anything |
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| 16:01:27 | Nico_P | GodEater: nice page about git :) |
| 16:02:20 | Nico_P | videolan has a page desciribing basic use and a bit of git-svn : http://wiki.videolan.org/Git |
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| 16:04:54 | GodEater | Nico_P: as I said earlier, if anyone feels I missed anything on the page - please do add it :) |
| 16:05:22 | Nico_P | I'll probably get round to it |
| 16:06:11 | Nico_P | It'd be great if I could have a git repo hosted for my GSoC work... |
| 16:06:36 | * | GodEater knew he'd find at least one fan of that idea ;) |
| 16:08:03 | Nico_P | are you using git-svn ? |
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| 16:08:35 | AdministratorTom | hey people |
| 16:08:36 | * | petur has been considering git for his usbotg hacking - could use some versioning |
| 16:08:50 | GodEater | Nico_P: no - I tried from the rockbox svn but something broke =/ |
| 16:09:08 | GodEater | I've not tried since |
| 16:09:10 | Nico_P | I think I've gotten a hold of how it works |
| 16:09:21 | GodEater | besides, since I lack commit access it's a bit pointless for me |
| 16:10:15 | AdministratorTom | does anyone no if they hav efixed the problem with the battery in iriver H10 5GB ? is the battery still only 3 hours? |
| 16:10:27 | pondlife | AdministratorTom: Still the same AFAIK |
| 16:10:46 | AdministratorTom | yea damn im thinking i need to upgrade my player |
| 16:10:46 | pondlife | We need someone to sneak some PortalPlayer documentation our way |
| 16:11:27 | AdministratorTom | hey guys whats a good player that is around the same storage size that has good rockbox support? |
| 16:11:35 | GodEater | AdministratorTom: Gigabeat F or X |
| 16:11:48 | GodEater | although they technically have more storage |
| 16:11:48 | AdministratorTom | do u have one? |
| 16:11:50 | pondlife | Iriver H100/H300 |
| 16:11:51 | GodEater | I do |
| 16:12:05 | GodEater | Iriver H100 = $$$$ these days :) |
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| 16:12:12 | GodEater | not so sure about the H300 |
| 16:12:18 | AdministratorTom | yea im lookin for the cheaper option |
| 16:12:22 | pondlife | IAudio X5? |
| 16:12:29 | GodEater | Gigabeat F40's are v. cheap on ebay |
| 16:12:32 | AdministratorTom | i liove hte x5 but its expensive and hard to come by |
| 16:12:32 | GodEater | I got mine for less than $100 |
| 16:12:54 | AdministratorTom | is that US |
| 16:13:15 | jhMikeS | crop: pong |
| 16:13:17 | pondlife | GodEater: Was that an auction? |
| 16:13:23 | GodEater | pondlife: yep |
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| 16:13:31 | GodEater | I think I won it for like $48 |
| 16:13:33 | AdministratorTom | was it new? |
| 16:13:35 | pondlife | And is the F40/S ok? |
| 16:13:43 | GodEater | no hang on - that was pounds :) |
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| 16:13:51 | GodEater | I paid £100 TOTAL - including shipping to the UK |
| 16:13:54 | pondlife | Ah - that makes more sense |
| 16:13:56 | GodEater | AdministratorTom: as good as |
| 16:13:56 | AdministratorTom | oh damn |
| 16:13:58 | AdministratorTom | lol |
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| 16:14:11 | AdministratorTom | australia exchange rate from us is really good but not so with the pound |
| 16:14:15 | GodEater | so I think I won it for like $98 |
| 16:14:27 | crop | jhMikeS: aha! Now you are really here? Do your last commits fix the FM problem? |
| 16:14:30 | GodEater | is you're in Australia they're easier to find AdministratorTom |
| 16:14:43 | pondlife | I see them for about £120 regularly, but don't consider that cheap. |
| 16:14:45 | GodEater | you needn't get it shipped from the US |
| 16:15:01 | jhMikeS | crop: yes, the delay loops were being removed and so then the CPU was boosted the radio didn't work. it also couldn't be read. |
| 16:15:04 | GodEater | pondlife: well what do you see H1x0s for ? |
| 16:15:07 | AdministratorTom | oh thats not an option then cause of the warrenty concerns |
| 16:15:13 | pondlife | GodEater: Haven't looked! |
| 16:15:18 | GodEater | I'm scared to |
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| 16:15:25 | * | GodEater treasures his H140 |
| 16:15:35 | pondlife | I'd like an upgrade from my H300, but it's hard to beat |
| 16:15:39 | AdministratorTom | if money was no option i wud get the X5L |
| 16:15:47 | pondlife | What's Gigabeat battery life like? |
| 16:16:10 | GodEater | pondlife: ~20 hours ? |
| 16:16:11 | crop | jhMikeS: and wouldn't it be good to introduce a parameterized macro for asm delay loops? |
| 16:16:29 | pondlife | GodEater: Great - I think an F60 would be ideal for me, if I can find one for less than £150 |
| 16:16:42 | GodEater | F60s were definitely thinner on the ground in ebay when I looked |
| 16:16:45 | GodEater | otherwise I'd have got one too |
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| 16:16:53 | jhMikeS | it probably would but atm I was looking to ensure they dont' get optimized away nor bloat the binary...gcc does some stupid stuff |
| 16:16:54 | crop | jhMikeS: I'll try it out. And thanks! That was really fast. |
| 16:16:57 | GodEater | but the F40s were much easier to find |
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| 16:18:43 | petur | GodEater: there are several h140 available on ebay that aren't that expensive |
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| 16:19:03 | AdministratorTom | are any of the Gigabeat F or X still in production? |
| 16:19:33 | GodEater | AdministratorTom: nope |
| 16:20:10 | AdministratorTom | i googled them |
| 16:20:17 | AdministratorTom | and the tope 5 results were all rockbox related |
| 16:20:28 | petur | GodEater: http://stores.benl.ebay.be/roadpal |
| 16:20:57 | petur | you can only find them if you search for iHP140 |
| 16:21:14 | GodEater | I think that's actually what mine is marked as |
| 16:21:17 | AdministratorTom | any current models with good rockbox support? |
| 16:21:24 | AdministratorTom | no ipods tho |
| 16:21:35 | GodEater | wow, €76 |
| 16:21:55 | GodEater | AdministratorTom: Sansa ? |
| 16:22:32 | pondlife | Sansa is still PortalPlayer though, right? |
| 16:22:55 | pondlife | Which means battery life issues... |
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| 16:23:10 | AdministratorTom | yea |
| 16:23:16 | AdministratorTom | how much battery tho? |
| 16:23:21 | pondlife | Might as well carry on with H10 I'd guess. |
| 16:23:23 | AdministratorTom | like is it as bad as the iriver h10? |
| 16:24:28 | crop | jhMikeS: where do you have all that info from? I.e. the delays needed, read/write sequences etc. |
| 16:26:24 | jhMikeS | the i2c spec in part. the delays were just kept which I _assume_ were verified. they seems a little short to me though. |
| 16:27:39 | AdministratorTom | which Sansa e200? |
| 16:27:50 | AdministratorTom | or is that a stupid question |
| 16:31:21 | AdministratorTom | well the Sansa E200 has a 20 hour battery life so even if it loosees half of its battery life it should be much better than my current h10 with its 3-4 hours worth |
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| 16:33:20 | Benedikt | hi |
| 16:33:24 | Benedikt | one question ^^ |
| 16:33:36 | Benedikt | how can I put music on my ipod with rockbox? |
| 16:33:41 | Benedikt | with my normal itune? |
| 16:33:47 | Benedikt | or any other special toolß |
| 16:33:48 | Benedikt | ? |
| 16:34:29 | AdministratorTom | copy and paste |
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| 16:34:45 | Benedikt | in which folder? |
| 16:35:00 | AdministratorTom | have u installed the rockbox software? |
| 16:35:04 | Benedikt | yes |
| 16:35:17 | Benedikt | on my ipod ther is the folder .rockbox. |
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| 16:35:19 | Benedikt | .. |
| 16:35:40 | AdministratorTom | just put it in like any folder u want |
| 16:35:44 | AdministratorTom | not a hidden one tho |
| 16:35:46 | AdministratorTom | thats what i do |
| 16:35:57 | Benedikt | ah oke ^^ |
| 16:36:04 | AdministratorTom | do u like ittunes/ |
| 16:36:10 | AdministratorTom | ? |
| 16:36:17 | Benedikt | no not really ^^ |
| 16:36:29 | AdministratorTom | well u can say goodbye to it |
| 16:36:32 | AdministratorTom | i hate itunes |
| 16:36:35 | Benedikt | very good ^^ |
| 16:36:37 | AdministratorTom | what ipod are u using |
| 16:36:49 | Benedikt | ipod generation 5.. |
| 16:37:00 | AdministratorTom | hows the battery life on it? |
| 16:37:10 | Benedikt | mmh |
| 16:37:29 | Benedikt | music about 8 hours |
| 16:37:31 | Benedikt | i think ^^ |
| 16:37:44 | Benedikt | watching films just 2 hours |
| 16:37:55 | AdministratorTom | is that with the rockbox software or normal? |
| 16:38:48 | Benedikt | with normal software |
| 16:38:58 | Benedikt | i just have rockbox until one hour ago ^^ |
| 16:39:27 | AdministratorTom | why did u put it on? just curious |
| 16:39:46 | Benedikt | because normal software just sucks ^^ |
| 16:39:50 | Benedikt | i wanted good games |
| 16:39:53 | Benedikt | like doom ^^ |
| 16:40:04 | petur | oh no |
| 16:40:10 | Benedikt | and i like the design of software better than the original one ^^ |
| 16:40:32 | AdministratorTom | doom? does that work well? |
| 16:40:33 | Benedikt | first i wanted to put on linux |
| 16:40:38 | Benedikt | yers of course ^^ |
| 16:40:45 | Benedikt | good old doom ^^ |
| 16:40:54 | AdministratorTom | i saw that there but i was sure how well it was ported |
| 16:40:57 | Benedikt | on my ipod it works pretty good ^^ |
| 16:41:18 | Benedikt | one question |
| 16:41:31 | Benedikt | you know how to get pokemon working on ipod? |
| 16:41:45 | Benedikt | a friend of mine did this with his gen 3 ipod ^^ |
| 16:41:56 | Benedikt | but I don't know what software he used.. |
| 16:42:01 | AdministratorTom | i wudnt have a clue myself |
| 16:42:17 | Benedikt | oke well then I have to search google ^^ |
| 16:42:18 | AdministratorTom | i just use it because it lets me change the menus into big fridnly easy to see letters and has better equalisers |
| 16:42:35 | Benedikt | yes |
| 16:42:41 | Benedikt | thats also an advantage ^^ |
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| 16:54:30 | GodEater | any Makefile gurus here ? |
| 16:57:03 | linuxstb | Is it an easy question? |
| 16:58:41 | GodEater | "Why does 'make install' not work for rbutil?" <−− is that easy enough ? |
| 16:58:58 | crop | linuxstb: you mean GodEater's question about makefile gurus? |
| 16:59:15 | crop | linuxstb: :-) |
| 16:59:41 | linuxstb | GodEater: Because no-one has implemented it? |
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| 17:00:19 | GodEater | linuxstb: well it appears to be in the make file as far as I can see |
| 17:00:25 | GodEater | it just says "Nothing to be done for install" |
| 17:00:38 | GodEater | my Makefilefu is very weak though |
| 17:00:47 | GodEater | so I could be missing something obvious |
| 17:01:05 | GodEater | I'm not sure what all the .PHONY stuff does for example |
| 17:01:35 | petur | GodEater: rbutil has its own makefile in the rbutil folder, just run make there |
| 17:01:47 | GodEater | petur: that's the Makefile I'm referring to |
| 17:02:00 | GodEater | not another one somewhere else |
| 17:02:02 | linuxstb | Damn, "svn blame" blames me for adding those lines... |
| 17:02:04 | petur | just make and the exe should be there |
| 17:02:09 | GodEater | linuxstb: hahaha |
| 17:02:11 | linuxstb | And I have no recollection of them... |
| 17:02:22 | GodEater | linuxstb: does it need a "clean:" after the PHONY: clean ? |
| 17:02:31 | GodEater | it's the only difference I can see between it and the other targets |
| 17:02:42 | linuxstb | "FS #6443 from Jonas Häggqvist - add an "install" target." |
| 17:02:45 | GodEater | I mean "install:" |
| 17:02:49 | GodEater | not "clean:" |
| 17:02:53 | GodEater | <−−−− complete moron |
| 17:03:15 | GodEater | and clearly also I meant ".PHONY: install" too |
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| 17:03:29 | GodEater | but I have NO idea what's going on there |
| 17:03:46 | linuxstb | I think ".PHONY" means it's a not a file that Make should check for. |
| 17:03:55 | GodEater | ah |
| 17:04:20 | GodEater | in that case I can only see that there's no actual label for the install action as there is with all: and clean: |
| 17:04:24 | linuxstb | But no, I don't understand why it doesn't do anything... |
| 17:04:44 | GodEater | IYSWIM |
| 17:04:52 | linuxstb | Ah, of course - there's no label... |
| 17:05:00 | GodEater | yay, points for me |
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| 17:06:14 | GodEater | would you be so kind as to insert one for me please ? |
| 17:06:17 | linuxstb | GodEater: Fixed in SVN. |
| 17:07:15 | GodEater | thanks |
| 17:07:21 | GodEater | I can put a .ebuild up for rbutil now |
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| 17:11:20 | linuxstb | GodEater: What's needed to make an ebuild? Is that something to add to SVN? |
| 17:12:18 | GodEater | no - something to put on the wiki page |
| 17:12:23 | GodEater | I mean, it *could* go in svn I suppose |
| 17:12:31 | GodEater | it's gentoo's package format |
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| 17:13:40 | linuxstb | I know nothing about ebuilds. So it's just a file that gentoo users can download and use to build and install rbutil? |
| 17:14:12 | GodEater | pretty much |
| 17:14:34 | ze | its basically just metadata + basic build/install script |
| 17:14:35 | GodEater | you do "ebuild rbutil-0.8.ebuild install", and it goes off to svn, downloads the code, compiles it, and installs it |
| 17:15:04 | GodEater | although for some reason the one I've just written still doesn't appear to install right =/ |
| 17:15:06 | linuxstb | Is it likely to change at all? It could go in SVN, and still have a download link in the wiki |
| 17:15:20 | linuxstb | But I need to run, bbl. |
| 17:15:34 | ze | basic as in it has almost nothing for a non-weird source tarball, thanks to some big python library of related functions and complexities hidden from it |
| 17:15:37 | ze | heh |
| 17:16:30 | ze | a properly written one will only need renaming for version updates unless some part of the build/install changes |
| 17:16:33 | ze | generally |
| 17:16:45 | GodEater | ze, have you written them before ? |
| 17:16:57 | ze | GodEater: kinda sorta, i usually find a close one and cannabalize it |
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| 17:18:34 | GodEater | would you mind checking this one over then ? It's the first one I've written =/ |
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| 17:18:54 | ze | well if you still want, i'll check it later |
| 17:18:56 | ze | tired, going to bed |
| 17:19:05 | GodEater | oh ok |
| 17:19:18 | GodEater | linuxstb: I also have to run - I'll check back with you about svn later. |
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| 17:28:54 | konam | hi |
| 17:30:06 | konam | i was reading the documentation to encode vids to the ipod nano |
| 17:30:50 | konam | some of you can tell me how can i make this entry to encode 'just video' (without sound): <params>-acodec mp3 -ar 44100 -vcodec mpeg2video -s 176x128 -b 256kb -strict -1</params> |
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| 17:51:24 | Kingstone | hello |
| 17:51:26 | Kingstone | i have rockbox installed |
| 17:51:32 | Kingstone | how can i go to the original firmware for a sec? |
| 17:51:39 | Kingstone | or the only way is uninstalling rockbox? |
| 17:51:41 | bluebrother | depends on your player. |
| 17:51:42 | Kingstone | ipod 5g |
| 17:51:51 | Kingstone | i do reset and? |
| 17:51:54 | bluebrother | flip the hold switch while booting. |
| 17:51:58 | Kingstone | ok thanks |
| 17:52:05 | bluebrother | and check the manual, it has information about this ;-) |
| 17:52:24 | Kingstone | i've read the installation |
| 17:52:30 | Kingstone | it didn't say there so i thought |
| 17:52:31 | Kingstone | sry |
| 17:52:46 | bluebrother | well, it's described in the following chapter ;-) |
| 17:52:46 | Kingstone | do you understand technically in rockbox? |
| 17:53:00 | Kingstone | i mean programaticaly |
| 17:53:07 | Kingstone | do you edit the boot image on the ipod? |
| 17:53:25 | Kingstone | i mean there is image tables soso, dpua, crsr |
| 17:53:40 | Kingstone | do you actually edit them or just change offsets? |
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| 18:06:27 | bluebrother | you can change the logo |
| 18:06:47 | bluebrother | soso, dpua, crsr? |
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| 18:19:20 | Kingstone | not logo |
| 18:19:27 | Kingstone | i mean image |
| 18:19:30 | Kingstone | not a graphical one |
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| 18:29:41 | ice8lue | hey everybody... could u help me with an mpegplayer problem? |
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| 18:41:51 | GodEater | yay - ebuild appears to work! |
| 18:44:20 | GodEater | uploaded to wiki |
| 18:45:30 | desowin | ebuild to what ? rbutil ? |
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| 18:47:48 | GodEater | yep |
| 18:48:50 | desowin | why not put on gentoo bugzilla ? |
| 18:49:25 | GodEater | erm |
| 18:49:56 | GodEater | because then people that *know* how to write ebuilds will look at it and I'll get very embarassed ? :) |
| 18:50:23 | desowin | where it is, I could take a look |
| 18:50:43 | GodEater | on the rbutil wiki page |
| 18:50:45 | desowin | I made some ebuilds and some even got into portage |
| 18:51:04 | GodEater | besides, I'd also have to commit to maintaining it as well - and I have the attention span of a peanut |
| 18:51:17 | GodEater | you're welcome to submit it if you awnt |
| 18:51:19 | GodEater | *want |
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| 18:55:48 | desowin | I have no idea why you did those src_compile and so as they're standard ones |
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| 18:56:04 | GodEater | desowin: because I couldn't make it pull from svn without them |
| 18:56:14 | GodEater | it just kept saying "Make: no targets" and giving up |
| 18:56:15 | GodEater | :( |
| 18:56:23 | GodEater | but if you know how to fix it - please do so! |
| 18:56:53 | desowin | ok, I'll make few alternations and put it on gentoo bugzilla |
| 18:57:47 | GodEater | cool |
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| 18:58:18 | GodEater | I've also not tested it on a machine without wxGTK already installed |
| 18:58:22 | GodEater | it *should* pull it in in theory |
| 18:58:24 | desowin | oh, and regarding cvs/svn/git/any-other-version-control ebuilds - those aren't usually being introduced into portage, and if those do, those appear without keyword, so to unmask them you need to accept ** on those |
| 18:58:26 | GodEater | but I've no idea if that works either |
| 18:58:45 | GodEater | yeah - I didn't think it'd really get accepted in that state |
| 18:58:57 | GodEater | so you'll take my keywords out too I guess ;) |
| 18:59:10 | desowin | I'll make an release ebuild too |
| 18:59:24 | GodEater | thank you for you help :) |
| 18:59:31 | GodEater | *your |
| 18:59:32 | desowin | no problem |
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| 18:59:57 | GodEater | linuxstb wanted to put it in svn, but I don't really see the point myself |
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| 19:00:12 | sa1 | hi |
| 19:00:15 | desowin | bad idea imo |
| 19:00:19 | sa1 | I got a quick question |
| 19:00:40 | desowin | it looks like he wants to raise his lines changed in stats ;-) |
| 19:00:41 | GodEater | yah, mine too |
| 19:00:45 | GodEater | hahahaha |
| 19:00:56 | GodEater | and get away with a zero delta increase to boot :) |
| 19:01:28 | GodEater | sa1: we're not psychic, so just ask it |
| 19:01:47 | sa1 | I bought a zune loving its hardware, just to find out its software sucks is there a rockbox version planned? |
| 19:02:13 | GodEater | sa1: not really |
| 19:02:19 | GodEater | we have a post in our new ports forum |
| 19:02:22 | GodEater | but it's not moved anywhere in months |
| 19:02:36 | GodEater | as far as we know - no-one has managed to execute unsigned code on the Zune |
| 19:02:47 | sa1 | why not? its one of the only mp3 players with wifi, you could make a mobile web browser |
| 19:02:51 | sa1 | it would be awesome |
| 19:02:53 | GodEater | see above |
| 19:03:01 | sa1 | oh |
| 19:03:03 | sa1 | hmm |
| 19:03:12 | GodEater | also - a *lot* of our devs are in Europe |
| 19:03:17 | GodEater | where the Zune is not on sale |
| 19:03:23 | GodEater | so they don't even have one to try with |
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| 19:04:04 | GodEater | sa1: You could *try* looking at the zune-linux forums - but we don't really take their project very seriously |
| 19:04:15 | sa1 | ok I got to go talk to mr.gates then |
| 19:04:21 | desowin | hmm, app-misc or where it would fit better ? |
| 19:04:23 | GodEater | the only person there we have any respect for is Zunepet, and he's not making much progress |
| 19:04:26 | * | sa1 grabs sniper rifle |
| 19:04:29 | GodEater | desowin: x11-apps |
| 19:04:41 | GodEater | at least, that's where I was going to put it |
| 19:05:00 | sa1 | well at least i know somebody is somewhat trying |
| 19:05:03 | sa1 | there's hope |
| 19:05:27 | sa1 | well, i'm planning on an iphone, so i can pawn that thing off on my sis |
| 19:05:44 | amiconn | jhMikeS: An asm volatile (""); should never get optimised away |
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| 19:06:24 | GodEater | I can't believe I just sent someone to the zune-linux forums in all seriousness :( |
| 19:06:35 | GodEater | I think I need a lie down |
| 19:06:39 | alienbiker99 | ahaha |
| 19:07:22 | amiconn | Making the delay loops target specific is an option, but imo this should be done in a reusable way (target tree .h file) |
| 19:07:47 | amiconn | Perhaps something like udelay() on pp targets |
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| 19:09:12 | preglow | indeed |
| 19:09:36 | desowin | GodEater: your ebuild installs rbutil into /bin, it wouldn't be packaged in portage for sure ;-) |
| 19:09:54 | GodEater | oh |
| 19:10:00 | GodEater | ${D}/usr ? |
| 19:10:05 | amiconn | Unlike on pp, this wouldn't be a precise amount of microseconds though (could be approximated, but not 100% reliable) |
| 19:10:06 | GodEater | I wondered about that. |
| 19:10:16 | desowin | never fear, I'll make it working |
| 19:10:32 | Twat | Anybody can help me with a progressive rock server/room? |
| 19:10:48 | GodEater | desowin: this is the first ebuild I ever wrote - I'm amazed it works at all ;) |
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| 19:13:35 | jhMikeS | amconn: is does |
| 19:13:49 | preglow | amiconn: wouldn't a simple sleep() that takes number of cycles work good? |
| 19:13:59 | jhMikeS | or rather the code around it does |
| 19:14:36 | jhMikeS | verified by looking at disassemblies |
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| 19:15:20 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The 'volatile' marks an asm block as having side effects the compiler cannot know precisely. So it is not allowed to optimised it, or the code around it, in anyway that changes how often the block is executed |
| 19:15:28 | amiconn | If it does, it's a bug in the compiler |
| 19:17:17 | amiconn | preglow: A certain number of cycles can vary a lot in terms of actual time on targets with cpu scaling. I'd rather want an udelay() to take that into account |
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| 19:17:46 | amiconn | On PP and on archos it's simple; PP has the microsecond timer and archos is fixed frequency |
| 19:19:15 | jhMikeS | why can it not remove code in the block legally but keep the part declared volatile? |
| 19:19:17 | amiconn | Taking the frequency into account isn't too difficult, and it should also be reliable unless it's used in an isr |
| 19:19:42 | desowin | archos.ico is offical rbutil app icon ? |
| 19:20:28 | amiconn | jhMikeS: It can remove code in the block, but it must not remove the loop around it, or move the block out of the loop |
| 19:21:06 | amiconn | I mean it can remove code from the loop except the 'asm volatile' block itself |
| 19:21:09 | jhMikeS | the only loop around it is a do {} while(0) |
| 19:21:21 | jhMikeS | which is empty |
| 19:21:45 | amiconn | I am taking about this one: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/target/coldfire/iriver/h100/adc-h100.c?r1=13724&r2=13725 |
| 19:21:47 | amiconn | (left side) |
| 19:22:23 | preglow | amiconn: but won't a udelay have too coarse a resolution to be used in some of the places loops are currently used? |
| 19:22:26 | amiconn | If the compiler removes the for loop around the asm volatile, it has a bug |
| 19:22:52 | amiconn | preglow: Then make an ndelay()... |
| 19:22:58 | preglow | heh |
| 19:23:34 | jhMikeS | ah yes, I may have put my semicolon in the wrong spot |
| 19:24:11 | amiconn | The semicolon is correct afaics |
| 19:25:23 | jhMikeS | the one there is...I could have mistakenly done : do { int _x; for (_x=0;_x<20;_x++); asm volatile(""); } while(0); and not noticed |
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| 19:27:12 | jhMikeS | that would give the problem I experienced for sure |
| 19:28:04 | amiconn | yes |
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| 19:28:34 | amiconn | You could double check that, but to be honest, a gcc bug wouldn't surprise me much |
| 19:28:48 | * | jhMikeS just gets ticked off at gcc really easily and applies the truism "if you want something done right..." :) esp. when really tired. |
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| 19:30:23 | AJS | llorean , hi i posted the message yestarday |
| 19:30:45 | AJS | i also added the question at the forum http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=11256.msg85306;topicseen#msg85306 |
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| 19:34:48 | jhMikeS | why can't the generic driver be employed for the radio and flash on H100? I'd think with delay adjustment to account for function call overhead it would be just fine. |
| 19:36:06 | The-Compiler | Is there any way to recieve the SVN-chanches and new patches via a RSS-feed? |
| 19:37:46 | jhMikeS | another thing was loops using "volatile int _x;" cause gcc to save _x to the stack and reload it on every loop |
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| 19:41:34 | crop | jhMikeS: I confirm that the FM works as it should now on my H120. Thank you! |
| 19:42:26 | desowin | oh, found bug in rbutil - it should check if device is mounted before installing |
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| 19:44:19 | desowin | is rbutil.ini intended to change ? in sense does rbutil write to this file ? |
| 19:46:48 | desowin | oh, also rbutil segfaults if there's no rbutil.ini in dir where rbutil is (and there's no /etc/rbutil.ini) and there's player connected (atleast it segfaults with my iPod mini in such situation) |
| 19:50:02 | * | jhMikeS wonders why the generic driver needs to be passed bus_address and double check things instead of just receiving an i2c_interface pointer |
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| 19:50:32 | desowin | I found that it writes config into ~/.rbutil, so I assume rbutil.ini isn't intended to be changed by app, but could anyone confirm ? |
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| 19:59:30 | desowin | linuxstb: rbutil's Makefile should handle rbutil.ini |
| 19:59:45 | desowin | (install) |
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| 20:01:57 | Nico_P | The-Compiler: there is |
| 20:02:54 | Nico_P | for the FS tasks it's on the tracker |
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| 20:03:41 | Nico_P | and for SVN commits it's on http://cia.vc/stats/project/rockbox |
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| 20:07:31 | The-Compiler | Nico_P: Thank you |
| 20:08:07 | Nico_P | you're welcome ;) |
| 20:09:19 | The-Compiler | Nico_P: But on the tracker, there is only a feed for all flyspray-entries. I would like to have one with only the patches. |
| 20:09:37 | Nico_P | I'm not sure that's possible |
| 20:09:38 | desowin | GodEater: don't you have anything against deleting your ebuild from wiki ? it's broken |
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| 20:12:42 | desowin | Domonoky: <desowin> is rbutil.ini intended to change ? in sense does rbutil write to this file ? |
| 20:12:44 | Domonoky | desowin: rbutil.ini is static configuration.. |
| 20:12:54 | desowin | ok,thanks |
| 20:12:56 | * | Domonoky just read the log :-) |
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| 20:13:32 | Domonoky | rbutil: should check if the ini is there, and abort if it isnt, and not segfault.. i will check the code.. |
| 20:14:05 | desowin | and archos.ico is the offical icon, isn't it ? |
| 20:14:15 | Domonoky | about the mounting... thats linux specific, so if some linux guru writes a check for it, it would be nice :-) |
| 20:14:35 | Domonoky | it is, but it is old, and should be changed.. |
| 20:14:53 | Domonoky | because rockbox isnt only archos anmore :-) |
| 20:15:22 | desowin | GodEater: only make ebuild a big nicer, test it few times, and done :-) |
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| 20:22:19 | * | Domonoky just fixed the segfault if there is no rbutil.ini file.. |
| 20:23:05 | desowin | can anyone remove rbutil-0.8.ebuild from wiki ? I'll upload fixed one soon |
| 20:23:40 | Domonoky | desowin: use the "replace" function of the wiki..with the new one.. :-) |
| 20:24:03 | desowin | access denied |
| 20:24:21 | desowin | new one will have different name |
| 20:24:58 | Domonoky | then upload the new one, and hide the old one.. |
| 20:25:16 | Domonoky | delete is only aviable for admins i think.. |
| 20:25:55 | Domonoky | as u see, there are many old files there, just hidden.. :-) |
| 20:28:20 | desowin | could you give a short description, a bitmore informational than "The Rockbox Utility" ? |
| 20:29:38 | Domonoky | hm.. |
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| 20:30:51 | Domonoky | i would say something like: "The Rockbox Utility, all you need for installing an managing rockbox" .. :-) |
| 20:31:18 | Llorean | Though it's not *yet* to that point. ;) |
| 20:31:27 | Domonoky | or: rbutil: pimp you dap :-) |
| 20:32:01 | desowin | it''ll aapper in .desktop file ;-) so keep it rather useful ;-) |
| 20:32:31 | desowin | "The Rockbox Utility, all you need for installing an managing rockbox" sounds good though |
| 20:33:20 | Domonoky | The official rockbox utility, .. but its not there at the moment :-) |
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| 20:33:55 | Domonoky | but its working.. just missing things, and polishing.. |
| 20:34:23 | desowin | I think "all you need" is good in this case, as it's still being developed |
| 20:34:41 | Domonoky | i thing especially the install dialogs needs more work, to include all necessary infomation.. ( things rbutil cant do.. like restarting or such things..) |
| 20:56:47 | desowin | GodEater: check out my ebuild (attached to wiki) |
| 20:57:53 | desowin | and I asked in #gentoo where if fits, and I got told that media-sound is place for it |
| 20:58:04 | desowin | s/if/it/ |
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| 21:23:35 | MrKeuner_ | hi, what distro is rockbox based on? |
| 21:23:47 | mud-rb | it's not |
| 21:23:57 | Domonoky | MrKeuner_: rockbox is not linux based !! |
| 21:24:20 | MrKeuner_ | Domonoky: what is the kernel then? |
| 21:24:28 | Domonoky | rockbox :-) |
| 21:25:00 | Domonoky | its just a small kernel, so its completly written by rockbox devs.. |
| 21:25:11 | MrKeuner_ | but I see some GNU/Linux games here, so all of them were ported? |
| 21:25:22 | mud-rb | yes |
| 21:25:44 | Domonoky | jeah, they are ported, thats not to difficult with the plugin system rockbox has.. |
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| 21:25:51 | MrKeuner_ | how can I compile my application for rockbox? |
| 21:26:16 | MrKeuner_ | I guess it is not compiled on rockbox :) |
| 21:26:17 | Domonoky | you have to rewrite/change it, so it is a plugin.. |
| 21:26:41 | mud-rb | it's almost certainly going to take non-trivial porting time |
| 21:26:44 | Domonoky | have a look at the wiki for what you need do develop for rockbox.. |
| 21:27:10 | Domonoky | yes.. ist more then make, you need to be able to code :-) |
| 21:27:28 | MrKeuner_ | OK, but wouldn't it be more portable if linux kernel was used? |
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| 21:27:37 | mud-rb | probably |
| 21:27:43 | mud-rb | that doesn't mean it's a good idea |
| 21:27:56 | MrKeuner_ | what are the drawbacks |
| 21:28:08 | Llorean | Lots more overhead? |
| 21:28:12 | Domonoky | there are too much things in the linux kernel you dont need on a dap.. |
| 21:28:24 | MrKeuner_ | Domonoky: even after removing all modules |
| 21:28:31 | Domonoky | yes.. |
| 21:28:37 | Llorean | Rockbox is not desined to be a full operating system, it's designed to be an MP3 player firmware. |
| 21:28:50 | Llorean | designed |
| 21:28:52 | Domonoky | for example the sheduler is way more complicated in linux than in rockbox.. |
| 21:29:21 | saratoga | linux would be pretty bloated for some of the targets rockbox supports |
| 21:29:40 | Domonoky | so it doesnt really make sense, just compare ipodlinux with rockbox.. *hehe* :-) |
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| 21:30:04 | MrKeuner_ | hehe I see |
| 21:30:26 | MrKeuner_ | well I haven't tried it though, but what you tell makes sense to me |
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| 21:30:34 | MrKeuner_ | thanks for the good work, it is really great |
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| 21:38:09 | mud-rb | is there any way to write strings rotated by some chance? |
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| 22:12:18 | mud-rb | is dealing with MENU_ATTACHED_USB still necessary or is that old code? it seems like 1/2 do and 1/2 don't |
| 22:12:34 | mud-rb | (in do_menu) |
| 22:13:33 | MrKeuner_ | do I really need to set my battery amperage correctly. If it is not correct does it drain sooner, or does any other harm? |
| 22:14:11 | Llorean | MrKeuner_: For most players it's only used for estimating playtime remaining |
| 22:14:14 | mud-rb | MrKeuner: i believe that's only for estimating the time left |
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| 22:14:35 | Llorean | On one of the old Archoses (Recorder? I'm not sure which) I believe it's used for calculating the percentage too, but I'm not sure. |
| 22:15:36 | amiconn | The battery capacity is only used for runtime estimation on all targets except the Archos recorder v1 |
| 22:16:13 | amiconn | The latter has software controlled charging, and hence uses te capacity setting for the charging safety timer |
| 22:16:53 | MrKeuner_ | so, actually I hosuld better set it correctly anyways :) mine is ipod nano 1st gen |
| 22:17:05 | MrKeuner_ | working with NO problems here |
| 22:19:04 | amiconn | The default setting should be correct on all targets as long as the stock battery wasn't replaced by a different one. The only exceptions are the Iaudio 'L' variants (X5L and M5L), which can't be distinguished from the non-L variants in software |
| 22:19:34 | MrKeuner_ | I guess I have played with it, the default is 1300 mAh? |
| 22:20:52 | amiconn | Hmm... that's the rockbox default for nano, but it looks like a mistake |
| 22:21:10 | amiconn | http://www.ipodbatteryfaq.com/ipodbatteryandpower.html says the stock battery in the nano is 300mAh |
| 22:22:25 | Llorean | I don't believe the proper defaults have been set on the iPods yet |
| 22:22:34 | Llorean | Though I thought I'd read somewhere that the Nano was 400 |
| 22:22:36 | * | Llorean shrugs |
| 22:23:49 | MrKeuner_ | well, 1300 mAh is the lowest that I can set in my version of rockbox |
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| 22:27:18 | MrKeuner_ | does lower amp batteries last longer? |
| 22:27:32 | MrKeuner_ | in terms of running time |
| 22:28:08 | Bagder | no, higher amp is more power |
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| 22:28:22 | mud-rb | no, mAh is a measure of mA (current) times hours (time), longer is better. changing the setting is rockbox is not going to have much effect except in estimating how much battery is left |
| 22:28:27 | Bagder | mah = milli ampere hours |
| 22:28:33 | slash | hey whats up guys |
| 22:29:02 | slash | one question do you guys plan on releasing a rockbox for the zune? |
| 22:29:14 | slash | it's my only motive for buying it -) |
| 22:29:16 | Bagder | one answer: we don't "plan" new releases at all |
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| 22:29:30 | Bagder | but no, the zune is far away from a port |
| 22:29:31 | slash | can you clarify please? |
| 22:29:38 | slash | oh ok |
| 22:29:48 | Llorean | slash: People who own the hardware, and are interested in it, do the port. |
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| 22:30:10 | slash | oh yeah open source |
| 22:30:40 | slash | hey anyone know how to open the channel through mirc? im using mozilla right now |
| 22:30:51 | MrKeuner_ | which license is rockbox using? |
| 22:31:00 | saratoga | GPL |
| 22:31:01 | scorche | MrKeuner_: GPL |
| 22:31:09 | Bagder | slash: #rockbox on irc.freenode.net, isn't that all you need? |
| 22:31:27 | MrKeuner_ | GPL, that's cool too |
| 22:31:49 | slash | im kind of noob at this whole irc thin |
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| 22:38:12 | MrKeuner_ | why does sound start ranges from like ~-70 to +6 ?Do I have to set that somewhere? |
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| 22:38:38 | Llorean | Set what? |
| 22:38:40 | mud-rb | it's in units of the decibel change to apply to music |
| 22:38:56 | mud-rb | negative means quieter than it would otherwise be |
| 22:39:45 | MrKeuner_ | Llorean: I do not know really, since it was not symmetric, I thought may be it needs adjustment for my hardware |
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| 22:40:13 | mud-rb | you'll almost never want to go positive...on my player anything about -20 is unbearably loud |
| 22:40:14 | Llorean | MrKeuner_: I don't know what you mean by symmetric in this case... |
| 22:40:24 | Llorean | mud-rb: Not to mention positive means a fair chance of clipping |
| 22:40:33 | mud-rb | Llorean: i think he is just confused why it's not 0-100 or something |
| 22:40:44 | MrKeuner_ | Llorean: I would expect -70 to +70 or -6 to +6 |
| 22:40:59 | Llorean | MrKeuner_: Why would you expect that? Are you familiar with the decibel scale? |
| 22:41:13 | MrKeuner_ | :) OK I surrender |
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| 22:41:47 | mud-rb | you could probably work up a patch pretty easily to offset the displayed values if it really bothers you i guess :) |
| 22:42:13 | scorche | but then it wouldnt have much meaning.. |
| 22:42:23 | MrKeuner_ | mud-rb: It doesn't bother knowing that it is expected |
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| 22:47:13 | mud-rb | if i get PLUGIN_USB_CONNECTED or MENU_ATTACHED_USB, am i allowed to do cleanup that could possibly take some time? like can i poll the user or is that bad? |
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| 22:58:21 | Bagder | thesansa.com is officially not liked by me |
| 22:59:09 | Llorean | Any particular reason? |
| 22:59:19 | Llorean | I understand they spammed the anythingbutipod forums at one point. |
| 22:59:27 | Bagder | they spam me all the time |
| 22:59:31 | Bagder | with "newsletters" |
| 22:59:49 | Llorean | Aaaaah |
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| 23:00:37 | mud-rb | wow the forums look painful...there's no less than 3 "how do i skin the original firmware with rockbox installed" posts just on this first page |
| 23:00:37 | Bagder | since I once registered there and had a checkbox left marked "allow admins to contact me" |
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| 23:02:11 | petur | what's this 'rockbox installer'? |
| 23:03:21 | mud-rb | isn't there some sort of unofficial installer for rockbox? i assumed they meant that |
| 23:03:37 | linuxstb | People like to hack together installers... |
| 23:04:12 | petur | does it include code from rockbox.org? I only see a link to a binary |
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| 23:05:00 | * | linuxstb wonders what we're talking about |
| 23:10:48 | mud-rb | really, anyone know if i can relax if i get one of the indications that USB is connected, or will rockbox freak out somehow? i could just try it, but i'm going to have to change how my program works depending on the answer... |
| 23:11:09 | mud-rb | (i need to know if i can poll the user for a filename to save to before i exit out) |
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| 23:11:37 | Domonoky | mud-rb: i think it shouldnt take too long.. and user interaction isnt good i think.. |
| 23:11:44 | linuxstb | IIUC, your plugin should exit cleanly asap. Why not ask the user for the filename earlier? |
| 23:12:06 | mud-rb | thanks, i guess that's what i'll have to do |
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| 23:12:26 | linuxstb | Is there any reason a user will want to use your plugin, but not save? |
| 23:12:35 | mud-rb | yes |
| 23:12:38 | amiconn | Rockbox won't run into trouble if usb acknowledge is delayed, but the host system you're connecting to will |
| 23:12:56 | mud-rb | oh, so it is kind of important...okay i'll have to take that into account somehow |
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| 23:13:50 | amiconn | On windows it will cause 'usb device blah couldn't be detected' and a non-working connection, but no serious problem |
| 23:14:09 | mud-rb | maybe i'll just have a panic file that it saves to if none is set...that shouldn't be too horrible |
| 23:14:18 | amiconn | Disconnecting and reconnection (without delay) will fix it. Linux might need a reboot to make its usb stack working again |
| 23:14:24 | mud-rb | ahh |
| 23:14:37 | mud-rb | yeah, that sounds like i should avoid it, even if it's not very likely anyone would run into it |
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| 23:16:46 | linuxstb | Would it make sense to a temporary file that is used to save the current state? So a user can enter and leave your plugin without needing to explicitly load/save. |
| 23:17:24 | linuxstb | (not really a temporary file) |
| 23:17:26 | mud-rb | hmm, yeah that's a really good idea actually |
| 23:17:35 | mud-rb | i should probably do that |
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| 23:17:58 | mud-rb | hehe, thanks :) |
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| 23:19:25 | linuxstb | Don't forget to add a header with a version number - so future versions of your plugin can reject old files. |
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| 23:19:57 | mud-rb | hmm, yeah i'm actually using a standard game format file so that should already be taken care of |
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| 23:21:33 | linuxstb | I think Sudoku does something similar (I wrote it, but my memory is hazy...). IIRC, there's a "sudoku.ss" file in the rocks folder, which is opened when the plugin is started via "browse plugins". Or a user can select a different .ss file via the rockbox file browser, and start sudoku as a viewer for that .ss file. |
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| 23:22:24 | mud-rb | oh i forgot about sudoku...i should have looked more at that for the structure of my plugin i bet. i tried looking at chessbox but it got scary. |
| 23:22:25 | Telemorphic | Hi all, I've recently had all my equalizer settings messed up and I was wondering if somewhere there is a list of the default settings? |
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| 23:23:10 | linuxstb | Isn't the default zero for all bands? |
| 23:23:11 | Telemorphic | anybody? |
| 23:23:29 | preglow | zero db is default |
| 23:23:34 | Telemorphic | no I don't think it is |
| 23:23:37 | preglow | it is |
| 23:23:41 | Llorean | I believe there's even a "default" preset. |
| 23:23:47 | Llorean | And I'm quite certian 0 in all bands is the default |
| 23:23:51 | Telemorphic | I |
| 23:23:56 | Telemorphic | I've set it to default |
| 23:24:02 | Telemorphic | but the problem still happens |
| 23:24:02 | preglow | zero db gain, 1.0 Q except for shelves, which is 0.7 |
| 23:24:07 | preglow | freqs i can't remember |
| 23:24:20 | mud-rb | what problem are you having that you think the EQ is causing? |
| 23:24:22 | preglow | what problem is that? |
| 23:24:25 | Llorean | 60, 200, 1000, something, something? 6, and 15? |
| 23:24:50 | preglow | i never liked the default freqs |
| 23:24:50 | Telemorphic | it's hard to explain |
| 23:25:00 | mud-rb | ...try? |
| 23:25:27 | Telemorphic | parts of songs get washed out |
| 23:25:50 | linuxstb | IIU settings_list.c, the freqs are 60, 200, 800, 4000, 12000, Q is 7, 10, 10, 10, 7 and dB is zero everywhere. |
| 23:26:14 | Llorean | linuxstb: Sounds right. |
| 23:26:17 | Telemorphic | Like when I listen to Ether by Gang of Four, all teh back talk is almost too quiet to hear |
| 23:26:37 | mud-rb | hmm, and the song sounds fine on another player i assume? |
| 23:26:37 | linuxstb | What if you just turn the eq off? |
| 23:26:39 | preglow | and you're absolutely certain all the bands are set to 0 dB gain? |
| 23:26:49 | preglow | try disabling the eq, yeah |
| 23:26:57 | preglow | that should definitely kill it |
| 23:27:19 | Telemorphic | all I can do is enable it over and over |
| 23:27:53 | Telemorphic | is disable the same as Enable EQ -> No? |
| 23:27:58 | linuxstb | Yes |
| 23:28:46 | Telemorphic | that does the same thing as defaulting |
| 23:29:02 | Llorean | Then the problem has nothing to do with the EQ. |
| 23:29:16 | Llorean | Have you tried listening to these songs in the original firmware, or on another player, with no EQ? |
| 23:29:26 | linuxstb | Do you have other sound settings enabled - e.g. bass, treble ? |
| 23:29:27 | preglow | perhaps you've managed to enable crossfeed? |
| 23:29:32 | Telemorphic | My bet is that one setting is way off, I don't think they had to time to really change |
| 23:29:42 | Telemorphic | Yeah I am listening to them now on Foobar |
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| 23:29:56 | preglow | a sure bet is just saving your current settings, then resetting to default |
| 23:30:00 | Telemorphic | and they are the same as when I was listenign to them on my way to work yesterday morning |
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| 23:30:27 | Telemorphic | I don't even have my own settings |
| 23:30:43 | Telemorphic | is there a simple way to reset to default? |
| 23:30:50 | mud-rb | oh, just go to Settings->Manage Settings->Reset Settings then |
| 23:31:10 | Telemorphic | General Settings? |
| 23:31:24 | mud-rb | no, under that |
| 23:31:47 | Telemorphic | Oh ok I found it |
| 23:31:48 | Telemorphic | thanks |
| 23:32:59 | Telemorphic | Oh I guess I did have one setting |
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| 23:33:40 | Telemorphic | where do I change my volume and battery to be numerical? |
| 23:35:00 | midkay | general settings.. that's a DISPLAY setting, obviously.. and it involves the STATUS BAR.. :) |
| 23:35:12 | midkay | i.e. general settings -> display settings -> status bar. |
| 23:35:34 | Telemorphic | I really appreciate how apparent you are making my noobery |
| 23:35:37 | Telemorphic | :p |
| 23:35:55 | midkay | no problem, remember to use some common sense! |
| 23:35:57 | midkay | :) |
| 23:36:01 | Llorean | And the manual! |
| 23:36:18 | Telemorphic | I prefer people to both those things |
| 23:36:35 | mud-rb | haha |
| 23:36:44 | Llorean | Telemorphic: Unfortunately, we prefer people who follow the channel guidelines. |
| 23:37:02 | Llorean | As many of us have already typed the same thing into the manual, and don't see why having us type identical statements again really benefits anyone. |
| 23:37:48 | Telemorphic | Well next time I promise to check the manual, as for this time though... thanks? |
| 23:37:56 | preglow | sure |
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