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#rockbox log for 2007-06-30

00:00:07amiconnTook me a while to find out....
00:00:27amiconnBtw, this game works on nearly every js capable browser
00:00:32dionoeawell ... nobody uses opera6 anymore i guess
00:01:37amiconnIE 4 and up, Nescape 3, 4, Mozilla/Firefox and derivates, Opera 6 (maybe lower versions as well, untested), AWeb, Konqueror
00:03:29dionoeahaha, this is awesome
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00:04:16amiconnThen only browsers I couldn't make it work in are Voyager (Amiga), IBrowse (Amiga), Hotjava and Espial Escape
00:04:33amiconnHotjava is a very buggy browser anyway, lots of fun there with css
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00:09:43DerPapstamiconn: wow... these are some cool minesweeper versions :-D
00:10:18amiconnThe whole game logic is a single 30KB javascript
00:10:56DerPapstnice :D wanna port it ro rockbox :P
00:13:48DerPapstnice script :)
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00:18:06chrisjs169Can someone test something for me?
00:18:23chrisjs169(Possible bug with Sansa)
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00:28:44webguest24What is the working state of nano second gen. i need to kill the apple os
00:29:02dionoeaapple os 1 - rockbox 0 for the time being
00:29:14webguest24ha ha ha very funaye
00:29:21dionoeabasically the nano 2 is completely different hardware
00:29:31webguest24does rock box wrok at all for the nano second gen??
00:29:36dionoeaand better firmware encryption afaik
00:29:46dionoeaso no one knows how to run custom code on it yet
00:29:53dionoeaso rockbox doesn't work
00:30:11webguest24do you know of any software that will work on the 2nd gen??
00:30:24dionoeanone other then the apple os
00:30:46dionoeathere's a thread in the new ports section of the rockbox forums if you need more details
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00:51:03*amiconn is experimenting with the PP clock settings
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01:43:28preglowamiconn: anything new?
01:45:09preglowoops, bbl
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02:31:03DerPapstgood night at all :)
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03:16:20webguest89hey guys... i have a sansa e260 with rb on it and a plugin crashed... how do i reboot the thing without opening it up to take out the battery?
03:16:39mud-rbhold power for 15 seconds
03:17:16webguest89cool thanks... (btw i've only used the software for less than a day now) but so far it seems pretty cool
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03:59:25bizzyhey all
03:59:49bizzyanyone online?
04:00:12mud-rbsorry, we're all bizzy
04:00:36bizzypretty funny
04:00:56bizzyi have a quick question
04:02:37*mud-rb is eagerly waiting
04:02:44bizzyanyone able to help - I have Gigabeat S30 and I can't find the CD that came with it - so I can't even see it on my computer - anyone know where to find it?
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04:05:08bizzyalso - am i able to replace the battery with a longer lasting one?
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04:11:21mud-rbi have no idea, and i'm not willing to go look it up
04:13:22bizzyok - do you know anywhere i could find out if i can replace the battery?
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04:14:29bizzyhaha thanks
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05:43:32GrantinatorPlusHey gang, I'm totally new to irc. do I just submit my questions here?
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05:46:30ansivirusif someone knows the answer they'll let you know....
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05:52:38chrisjs169or not...
06:14:12ansivirusmore than likely :)
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06:17:17w0rd54I tried using EvilG's latest build on my newly purchased apple 5thgen 80GB ipod
06:17:39w0rd54it boots goes to menu but I cannot select anything...any suggestions?
06:18:30scorchethose builds are called unsupported builds for a reason...
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06:19:26w0rd54ha yeah....
06:19:35w0rd54wanted to get this album art working
06:20:00scorcheask in his thread in the unsupported builds forum
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06:26:03t0dk0nDoes the rockbox.ipod still go in the root directory of the ipod? or does it now go into the .rockbox on the ipod and I need a new bootloader update?
06:26:17t0dk0nI haven't updated for a few months
06:27:57scorcheit now resides in the .rockbox folder
06:28:08t0dk0nokie dokie
06:28:17t0dk0nDo I need a new boot loader though?
06:29:19t0dk0nwell, I'll see what happens first without updating it
06:29:45scorchewell, it will likely work, but you will get data abort errors at times
06:30:44t0dk0nI updated the boot loader like 2/3 months ago
06:30:53jhMikeSdoes the Major Changes page update itself or something? :P
06:38:56t0dk0nhas there been any battery life improvements with the ipod build?
06:39:57scorcheslightly, but not much
06:40:16scorchethere really wont be till we figure out what is draining it all
06:40:50t0dk0noh well, I'm thinking of getting a zen vision w
06:41:04scorcheno rockbox there
06:41:08t0dk0nI love rockbox though
06:41:10t0dk0nlol yeah, I know
06:41:24t0dk0nbut their propriety firmware is nice enough to make up for it
06:41:27t0dk0nsort of
06:41:55scorcheif you think so...i dont think anything can really compare to something that you can tweak to your own liking
06:42:28t0dk0nwhich is why I said sort of :P
06:43:13t0dk0nbut perhaps someone in the future will make rockbox builds for the creative lines
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08:36:25chrisjs169what's up with the tracker?
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09:33:16amiconnjhMikeS: The sd card patch decreased binsize by 10KB for sansa?!?
09:38:31Battousaiwell it is micro sd ;)
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09:41:31]RowaN[guys where can i find info on that recent commit that allows different lines of text to be different colours? i cant see anything on the customWPS page
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09:59:57linuxstb_]RowaN[: I don't think it's documented yet, but I remember a forum thread about it.
10:00:50linuxstb_amiconn: Any progress with the PP CPU clocking?
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10:03:27pixelma]RowaN[: and it's not a feature for the wps yet
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10:05:52]RowaN[oh, where is it used, menus?
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10:07:51pixelmayes - a bit like the icons. You can specify different colours for different filesize but I don't know more (and how to) myself
10:08:19peturwhat does gcc produce if you assign structs to each other (ie not doing a memcpy)?
10:08:59amiconnIt either uses memcpy, or some specialised block copy functions, or inlined block copy
10:09:13amiconnDepending on struct size, optimisation level, and cpu arch
10:10:47]RowaN[has anyone looked into finding a lcd flip mode for sansa lcd controller?
10:11:15pixelma]RowaN[: I'm sorry - my statement wasn't clear. It's not used in the menus but in the filebrowser I then....
10:11:56midkayactually, what i'd really like to ask, is has anyone found an lcd mirror mode for any of the lcd controllers?
10:13:45midkaynobody? who wouldn't like to read their filenames and id3 tags in a mirrored state?
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10:15:05JdGordonevening all
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10:15:56]RowaN[well, if you want people to be able to read your WPS in their rear view mirror then mirror mode would be useful. but im just talking about lcd flip - coz i have my sansa round my next and when i look down at the screenwps its obviously upside down
10:16:34JdGordonjhMikeS: nice work :)
10:16:36amiconnmidkay: There is nothing special to find.
10:16:50midkay]RowaN[: now there's a truly practical reason for an lcd mirror mode. and i think a lot more people find themselves reading their displays through mirrors rather than upside-down, so sorry, i think mirror mode will take priority over flip.
10:17:08amiconnAll LCD controllers we have datasheets for can mirror horizontally and vertically. Flip is nothing else than both combined
10:17:39scorchemidkay: when a device is in your pocket, flip is handy
10:17:43midkaywhy doesn't rockbox have a mirror mode then.
10:17:54midkayscorche: unfortunately, pocketed devices are far more rare than mirror-viewed devices.
10:18:11midkayso i think we need a mirror mode immediately.
10:18:19scorchethen code it
10:18:30]RowaN[some rockbox ports do? i think i remember it on my old iriver h120 i *think*
10:18:36*petur has yet to see any practical use for mirror mode
10:18:43midkayscorche: you code it.
10:18:48midkayoh come on. mirror viewing.
10:18:50midkayit's the future!
10:18:51scorchemidkay: i am not the one that wants it
10:19:09midkayscorche: not everybody who wants something codes it. and not everybody who codes something wants it.
10:19:22*petur still not sees it - no real arguments given
10:19:27*pixelma wonders what midkay drank
10:19:51]RowaN[midkay humour is not allowed in this channel, read the rules and oBey!
10:20:14midkaypetur: oh come on. have you never found yourself staring at your rockboxed device through a mirror?
10:20:17scorchepixelma: from the cup of youthful thinking
10:20:24peturn e v e r
10:21:31midkaypetur: weird. i don't think your vote counts because you're obviously biased against mirror-viewing.
10:24:37peturmidkay: I just did a whois to make sure it's actually you... never heard you talk such a nonsense in the past
10:24:39midkayno other objections? alright, it's pretty safe to assume that everyone else wants this mode...
10:26:43amiconn(; saedi driew sah yakdim
10:27:09scorchethis is new how?
10:27:13midkaysee? amiconn can speak Mirror!
10:27:21midkayamiconn: come on, code it up! you have the know-how! :D
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10:27:57midkayno! :(
10:28:12midkayi was just going to switch my display adapter into mirrored mode. we could communicate that way!
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10:31:30ehcrocs(= nuf yna t'nera syug uoy
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10:32:00midkay!era ew erus
10:32:16ehcrocs!ti evorp
10:32:59]RowaN[ti pots
10:33:18midkaysraey eseth lla edom rorrim ni neeb ev'i ,midkay si kcin laer ym
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10:34:06midkay!nuf si siht ,no emoc
10:34:28midkay!ti nmad
10:34:43ehcrocsuoy esol
10:35:08midkay!!ESOL UOY !AH
10:35:18ehcrocs!pu tuhs
10:35:38amiconnehcrocs: ecalp gnorw eht ta saw kram noitseuq ruoy
10:35:49midkay!esufer i ,on
10:39:14ehcrocs?gnihtemos tnaw uoy did :amlexip
10:39:56*petur runs off screaming
10:40:48midkay!edom rorrim deen ew yhw ees uoy won :rutep
10:41:32pixelmascorche: no, at the beginning it may have been funny but it becomes just stupid now.... :P
10:41:33ehcrocsrutep strofmoc em/
10:41:40*JdGordon hopes you guys are doing that in a script....
10:41:53ehcrocst'nsi em/
10:41:59JdGordonyou wierdo :p
10:42:13midkay!i ma rehtien
10:42:51ehcrocstruh niarb ym gnikam si siht :nodroGdJ
10:43:19*petur adds his nick in mirror to the highlight list of his irc client
10:43:38ehcrocsretaehc...hguoht pleh evah uoy
10:43:41midkay!yrotciv .ahah
10:43:53JdGordonsoo.... anyone interesting in getting the recording dir patch commited? we need 7222 or the other one OK-ed first....
10:44:27ehcrocsemas eht gnikniht saw i :rutep
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10:45:29pixelmaJdGordon: I'd like to try on my Ondio first
10:45:40pixelmahad forgotten the patch
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10:47:30JdGordonI havnt touched it in ages, but I'd really like to get an ok for the fat filename checking patch sometime soon...
10:48:13pixelmawhich fat check patch should I apply?
10:48:52JdGordoneither of them
10:49:06JdGordon7222 is my one, dunno the number of the other one
10:49:17JdGordonthey do exactly the same thing
10:50:44pixelmahmm... but I want to test a "clean" svn before... in the unlikely case that the microSD patch had some strange effect...
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10:51:47JdGordonI dont think it would
10:52:28JdGordonboth ondios have the mmc right?
10:52:41JdGordonthe diff is funny, one wnt up and one went down on the sdpatch build :p
10:52:43pixelmasure, but one can't record
10:53:58pixelmaif you mean the build table - there seem to be differences depending on what build server compiled the build...
10:56:50amiconnJdGordon: What is weird is that the microsd patch decreased the sansa binsize, and not only slightly...
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10:59:24JdGordonthe ata driver was completly redone for the sansa which is why...
10:59:48JdGordonwell, I assume thats why
10:59:52amiconnIs the new driver fster? I spotted some asm...
11:00:16JdGordonI dont know if anyone has tested
11:02:03pixelmaat least the recdir patch doesn't apply cleanly anymore (/me lazy)
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11:03:30*JdGordon wonders why BOOTDIR is defined if its only used in 1 file in apps
11:04:58amiconnBecause that's almost always better than using magic constants scattered all over
11:05:16JdGordonis there any way we can pass some data from the bootloader to rockbox?
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11:15:52XavierGramiconn: your vmware image is set to german layout :\ do you know how to change that?
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11:17:17XavierGralso why did you change the name of the image? to login from ssh you must use the name debbox (which will confuse those that will upgrade to it from the old one)
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11:19:16XavierGralso it seems that I can't login with username: user and password "rockbox" do you know the user password or you can only log in with root?
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11:19:52desowinXavierGr: vmware image for compiling rockbox ?
11:20:29desowinis cygwin really that slow ?
11:20:36XavierGryes it is
11:21:52desowinouch, compiling on windows must be painful
11:22:02XavierGrwell not with the vmware image
11:22:07scorchevmware is quite easy with samba
11:22:24XavierGrnot to mention that now I don't use the vmware interface at all
11:22:29XavierGrjust putty for commandline
11:22:37XavierGrand windows explorer to get the files
11:23:02scorchei have my editor pulling files from the network share and saving it over the network
11:23:17amiconnXavierGr: I didn't change the name; this vm is created from scratch
11:23:39amiconnThe user login is rockbox/rockbox
11:24:16XavierGramiconn: yes I know it is from scratch still you change the defualt which was debian
11:25:21amiconnTo change the keyboard layout, use dpkg-reconfigure console-data as root
11:26:05amiconnSorry for the german keymap; 'twas too confusing to set it up with us keymap and then I forgot to reset it
11:26:21XavierGrah yes completely forgot that command thanks
11:26:40XavierGryeah I can imagine how confusing it would be
11:26:51*Lear doesn't think cygwin is _that_ slow...
11:27:05XavierGrlear: about 2-3 times slower (maybe more)
11:27:34amiconnCygwin is 3..4 times as slow as the vm, on the same hardware
11:27:58XavierGryeah something like that
11:28:00JdGordonanyone mind me commiting a patch so the BL tries the microSD before the internal for rockbox.mi4?
11:28:00LearYes, something like that, I expect. Not what I'd call painful though.
11:28:04amiconnAnd that's without a virus scanner on windows
11:28:21LearDepends on the scanner...
11:28:30amiconnLear: Rebuilding all my targets and sims can easily take 3 hours in cygwin
11:28:44amiconn(with virus scanner deactivated)
11:28:56LearHm, never tried that...
11:29:41amiconnJdGordon: That would be inconsistent with other targets and confusing imo
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11:29:49JdGordonamiconn: why?
11:30:13The-Compileroops :D
11:30:23amiconnWell /.rockbox is located on the internal storage, and so should be the binary
11:30:31amiconnIf you have an .mi4 on the sd, you can easily copy it over, or use rolo to run it
11:30:46JdGordonyeah, but thats slow and annoying
11:31:31n1sJdGordon: couldn't the bootloader check for a buttonpress and then read the binary from SD?
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11:31:57JdGordonn1s: yeah, if right isnt pressed it will try the msd
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11:32:49JdGordonamiconn: oh, dircache was removed... that why the e200 build went down
11:33:01LearBtw, if anyone has noticed the latest upstream Tremor changes, I'm about to add them to Rockbox.
11:33:58n1sLear: wow, I thought tremor was sort-of dead...
11:34:07pixelmaJdGordon: I'd say nothing pressed should be the default (loading from internal memory) not the other way round
11:34:19LearJust some bugfixes, but...
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11:34:52amiconnAlso, the bootloader should be kiss, and not do more than what's absolutely necessary to boot rockbox (and the of or a rescue firmware if dualboot is implemented)
11:35:30amiconnLooking for a binary in a bazillion places, or even adding multivolume + hotswap support, certainly isn't kiss
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11:36:37JdGordonwell, true... ok, Ill just keep this to myself then
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11:37:09*amiconn would rather want an unzip plugin
11:37:19*JdGordon too
11:37:55JdGordon.. built into the BL :D
11:37:55amiconnThis would allow to install a new build on Ondio (and now Sansa) from the MMC (or SD)
11:37:59*JdGordon runs away
11:38:14*JdGordon doesnt really run away
11:39:56amiconnOh, gpl v3 was released...
11:41:03desowinis rockbox staying with gpl2 ?
11:41:17peturis a license that's more free compatible with GPL?
11:43:47JdGordon looks like it
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12:37:00XavierGramiconn: other than the keyboard layout I think that your version is perfect. Maybe you should upload it to Bagder for inclusion on the wiki (with some comments about the changed hostname and username)
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12:44:06norbusanHi! Can someone tell me what has happened to the tracker? does not respond, the tracker is not available, only the download stuff at is there...
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12:45:31pixelmathere's no problem here...
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12:57:39norbusanpixelma: means that you can connect to
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13:01:51pixelmayes - and the tracker too
13:01:56norbusanHmm, strange.
13:02:09norbusanHere I get: The server at is taking too long to respond.
13:02:26norbusanCan you tell me which ....WAIT .... I AM STUPID ...
13:02:47norbusanDid they move IP addresses?
13:03:46norbusanOk, my failure. Thanks ...
13:04:01amiconnhosts file?
13:04:45norbusanyup, that was it. Some time ago the DNS server of my provider didn't pick up the IP of and I added it by hand to the hosts file. Well. Then it changed ...
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13:39:33DerPapstmorning :)
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13:41:38moosDerPapst: always the morning for you? ;p
13:42:00aliaskSounds like a terrible place.
13:42:14DerPapstnost often ;)
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13:44:05moosaliask: did you see dionoea's interest to commit plugins? I think to your current patches in the tracker.
13:46:47mooswe still doesn't have yet word games, could be a good candidate, but the patche apear doesn't finished...
13:48:13aliaskNo, it's not
13:48:20aliaskI'm in the process of fixing up my other game plugin
13:48:26aliaskBut that target game will be next in line
13:48:41moosnice to hear :)
13:49:58aliaskNice to hear that someone else cares :)
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13:50:54mooshehe :)
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13:54:27haemmyhas anyone already expirienced that the generated DB form rockbox contains much more files than actually are on your device?
13:54:36haemmyusing ipod video 30GB
13:55:10DerPapstdo you have iPodGames on your iPod?
13:55:20moosfiles that already existed on the past?
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13:55:58moosif so, just update the database
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14:06:59haemmy@ moos : i did update the db
14:07:18haemmyalso tried generating a new one
14:08:19moosdid you remove the database files generated in the .rockbox dir?
14:08:26haemmybtw i'm expiriencing that not all tags are read
14:08:39haemmy−−> untagged
14:08:46haemmywhich files?
14:09:53moosthe .tcd files?
14:10:48haemmyah ok
14:11:29haemmyi'll try this out
14:12:02moosremove all those .tcd files on your .rockbox dir. And then rebuild a new one
14:13:23haemmy9 files removed
14:13:35moosand if you want more infos about the "process", go to debug menu and go to database info for see the progress of the building and how much files they are precisely
14:13:49moosgood, rebuild a fresh databse then
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14:16:44haemmylol: at the of the progress it says in debug menu:
14:17:08haemmy-1% 5256 entries
14:17:21haemmy* at the end
14:17:35moosyup that's good, you have to wait the 7th or 8 step of commiting now
14:17:59moosand then it will say you that the db is ready to use
14:18:35haemmyits it is, but i only have about 3000 mp3/mp4s on my ipod
14:19:22moosdid you already the counter plugin?
14:19:51moosit will say you too how much files/di/music you have
14:20:01pixelmait's called stats
14:20:26moosoops :)
14:20:38haemmyit says 3125 pieces of music
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14:21:08moosthen all is fine ???
14:21:52haemmywhen there >5000files in db
14:22:04haemmybut only 3125 songs
14:22:12moosyou have 5256 files, 3124 music files
14:22:30haemmyeven stats says on the whole there are 5098 files
14:22:36moosah ok
14:22:38haemmythe db says there are 5256
14:23:09pixelmais there a trash can or "system volume information folder on your device?
14:23:20haemmypossible a bug of "evilg build"?
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14:23:56mooshaemmy: are your files well tagged?
14:24:04haemmythey are
14:24:28haemmybut thats not important isnt it?
14:24:39moosthen IIUC you have taginformations for music that they aren't?
14:24:44haemmyif they are not theyre shown as untagged
14:25:31moosthe main thing is that you can use your music database and that better that the evil itunes thing
14:25:41moosIf I Understand Correctly
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14:27:39moosis your database usable anyway? (I meant)
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14:28:05haemmyyes it is
14:28:32moosthen enjoy :) bye
14:29:12haemmythats no solution ^^
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15:22:48linuxstbsaratoga: (If you read the logs) I've been looking at libasf this morning, and have got the ffmpeg wma decoder (the old version) working with it. It still needs a lot more work to adapt it to Rockbox's way of working (no file I/O, no malloc/free), but it looks promising. I've also been able to strip out a lot more of the ffmpeg stuff, leaving just what's needed for the wma decoder itself.
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15:24:47\sichey guys
15:24:51\sicany german here?!
15:25:19aliaskI just uploaded a bmp and .diff to the tracker (which seems to have worked), but it spat this out:
15:25:50JdGordonaliask: dont worry about it
15:25:54JdGordonit should have uploaded fine
15:26:03aliaskIt has, but it's unsightly :)
15:26:40\sichow i include a visualisation in my theme like the rockbox.default?!
15:27:04\sic(the two lines beating to the music)
15:27:27aliask\sic: There is only a very simple visualisation possible, which is %pm
15:27:34Febs\sic: Those are called peakmeters.
15:28:11\sici think that too but when i build in to my theme then my ipod load the standart theme...
15:29:03FebsThat means that your theme has an error. When there is an error in the theme, Rockbox loads the default theme.
15:29:20\siccan you look my theme file?!
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15:29:45FebsI suggest you post a thread on our forums:
15:30:27FebsThere are people there more familiar with the WPS syntax than I. Use the "WPS and Customization" forum.
15:30:30\sici think my problem is very simple and i am to stupid for that
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15:31:28\sichere the wps:
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15:32:00FebsTrust me, there have been people far more stupid than you who have managed to post on the forums.
15:33:39\sicmy english sucks :(
15:34:30aliask\sic: Your english is much better than a lot of people who ask questions (even if english is their first language) :)
15:34:54\sicoh, thank you :)
15:35:46\sicoookay, i write a post :/
15:35:53FebsAs far as I know, the format for the peakmeter is %pm. You have additional parameters.
15:37:17\sicmh do you mean without parameters?
15:38:05\sicoh great
15:38:08\sicits works :)
15:41:42chrisjs169I think I may have found a bug...
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15:43:50\sicgive it a standby modus for rockbox?
15:43:57\sicor only on and off?
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15:44:43chrisjs169\sic: If that was directed towards me, I'm referring to a bug not related to what you're talking about
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15:45:13\sici dont understand?!
15:45:15Febschrisjs169: just say what the bug is.
15:46:34chrisjs169Febs: I was testing it in the official build before I was going to say what it was (was using custom before)
15:48:01DerPapst\sic: no stand by for rockbox. but it boots fast enough on most targets so that isn't really an issue :)
15:48:24chrisjs169When using the oscilloscope on the Sansa, when the green 'line' (music doesn't have to be playing for the bug to occur) is verticle, when it reaches the bottom of the screen, the root menu 'gets all messed up'
15:49:20\sicDerPapst german?^^
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15:49:49DerPapstyes. but not very familiar with rockbox.
15:50:11chrisjs169Anyone have a sansa they can confirm the above bug with?
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15:51:39andrew__I have a sansa, I never noticed that before. I could check once I find it
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15:52:26peppohuhm. my rockbox videoipod seems to randomly be booting into apple firmware
15:52:33\sicokay ;)
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15:53:01DerPapstpeppo: randomly means always when the hold switch is on?
15:53:08peppoDerPapst, nopes.
15:53:09\sichow can i install patches like:
15:53:27pepponow when I connected the usb cable, it was sitting on the table
15:53:29peppono buttons held
15:54:01peppoand Hold was even active
15:54:03pepposo that's not an option
15:54:17chrisjs169\sic: you have to download the Rockbox source and compile it on your own
15:55:21chrisjs169I have a custom build though - I could add it to that
15:55:41DerPapst\sic: compiling is acually pretty easy.
15:56:23chrisjs169Last update to that patch was 10 months ago
15:56:43DerPapstthen it is broken for sure
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16:00:16\sicokay i use the standart peakmeter
16:00:38\sicanother question: can i edit the trackbar?! i want to design a new one ;)
16:02:22DerPapstif you mean the progressbar the answer is yes.
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16:02:39\sicäh, yes!
16:04:10DerPapst\sic: checkout some other custom wpses. they give you a good example how to cutomise the progresbaar with own graphics
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16:16:27\siclol i dont understand to customise my progressbar 0o
16:17:17p3turwell you tried for 10 minutes....
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16:18:56\sici think i can only edit the heigh, width, length of the progressbar but not with own images by the ipod mini 2g
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16:20:00peturlook in the wps gallery.... if they can do it, so can you and look at how they did it
16:20:29DerPapstit works on colour targets at least. not sure about b&w ones
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16:21:42DerPapstlooks like one can only use the default one
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16:24:56peturbitmapped progressbar should work for al LCD targets (looking at the code), only backdrop is restricted to color
16:25:15peturuse %P|filename.bmp|
16:26:23\sicyes i have a nano theme with the parameter but i dont understand how its works 0o
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16:29:09DerPapst\sic: have you seen
16:29:24DerPapstit explaines everything
16:30:12\sicmh k
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16:31:33peturI'll build a b/w sim to verify... let's see who gets it working first
16:32:59*DerPapst places his bid
16:34:04\sicdamit, its works!
16:34:17*DerPapst lost his money
16:35:01*petur discovers his sim crashes on playback :(
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16:38:57vitessI'm having an issue with the Sansa e200 and the way Rockbox seems to buffer files - the e200 has an issue with electrical noise when reading from the flash but with the Sandisk firmware it's very brief
16:39:18vitessRockbox seems to spend a lot more time buffering when loading a track (seems to load subsequent tracks in a folder) so the noise lasts around 15 seconds
16:39:32vitessdoes anyone know how to change this buffering behaviour?
16:39:41JdGordonyou cant
16:40:17vitessJd: do you know if there are any other workarounds?
16:41:54JdGordonI havnt noticed any noise when buffering...
16:41:59peturbah, sims give a segfault when playing an mp3.. anybody else seeing this?
16:42:12n1spetur: 64 bit?
16:42:53n1spetur: well, it's a known issue for 64 bit sims but i thought it worked on 32...
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16:43:44vitessJd: what kind of headphones are you using? it is barely noticable on my full size beyerdynamics, but on my much lower impedence (16 ohm) canalphones it's very clear
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16:44:22peturI tried h300 and h100 sims here and they both crashed. Last thing it prints before the segfault is 'First frame is at 1279'
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16:45:22JdGordonvitess: /me is no audiophile, using the stock standard supplied ones still
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16:48:07peturit seems the build quality of the sansa isn't that good. static when reading flash, static when updating LCD (during recording),...
16:48:40vitessJd: I haven't even unpacked those so I guess I'll do it now - do you happen to know how long the loading/reading icon in the top right corner appears when you first load a song in a folder? curious whether yours behaves the same way
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16:49:19JdGordonnot really.. its likely the problem will be on all
16:49:21\sicthe mini can only 1bit also black/white and NOT grey or?
16:49:26JdGordonthe slow buffering defiantly is
16:50:28vitesswasn't sure if it's buffering more slowly or buffering more than Sandisk's software
16:51:58vitessthe difference seemed to be that Rockbox is buffering subsequent tracks, so you get around 15 seconds of noise on at the start of the first track then no noise on the next few tracks
16:52:29vitesswhereas with the Sandisk software the noise is at the start of every track, but only lasts about 2 secs
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16:55:36The-CompilerThere is a wiki-user "PiSiK0PATR". This name isn't allowed!
16:56:12peturyes, they come in all the time and get cleaned up at some point
16:56:44vitesspetur: I noticed the LCD noise during recording; but the noise when reading flash is at least hidden a bit by the behaviour of the Sandisk software
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16:59:07peturvitess: due to the fact that most targets are hdd based, rockbox tries to buffer as much as possible during disk spinning. Seems reasonable that you don't do this on flash devices...
16:59:33vitessJd: can't really hear it on the stock earbuds; they must be higher impdedence (have to use a higher volume setting to get the same loudness)
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17:03:19vitesspeter: I understand
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17:20:32ShineIn the gameboy emulator which is the start button(sansa 280)
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17:24:11The-Compileri would like to make a Rockbox-quiz. Any suggestions for questions that I can ask?
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17:39:52DerPapstgood bye everyone :)
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17:46:08crazymikewhat do you think how long will you need to port rockbox for sansa e200R series?
17:46:51aliaskcrazymike: There's no way to predict. It might not even happen at all.
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17:50:03kkurbjunjhMikeS, are you around?
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17:53:44peturkkurbjun: did you see ?
17:54:05jhMikeSkkurbjun: yes
17:54:59jhMikeSgood timing btw. I just now peeked in
17:55:32kkurbjunpetur, The sound doesn't repeat the same buffer anymore so there are pauses in the sound instead of looping samples
17:56:01kkurbjunso, which would be worse
17:56:13kkurbjunI guess for him, looping samples are better
17:56:46XavierGr_kkurbjun: I have to agree with him that the sound doesn't sound better after the update, and it made it slower
17:56:49kkurbjunjhMikes, I was thinking about looiking into rolo on the gigabeat, but I wanted make sure you hadn't already worked on it
17:57:09jhMikeSkkurbjun: no, I haven't done anything with that yet
17:57:17XavierGr_even on Gigabit which runs around full speed sounds a little bit worse IMHO
17:57:26kkurbjunok, I'll check it out
17:57:53kkurbjunXavierGr, what framerate is it running at on the games your are playing?
17:58:54kkurbjunit's easy enough to disable the waits, but it messes up the timing on the gigabeat and the game runs too fast
17:58:55XavierGr_well I don't remember but I think that the framerate drop on H300 was about 4-5
18:00:02kkurbjunit's using 44khz now.. which players cannot use 11khz? I would make only those run at 44k, but I don't know which ones support the full frequency range and which ones do not
18:00:17kkurbjunthe gigabeat should be at a steady 60 fps
18:00:31kkurbjuncould you check and let me know, also let me know what game you are playing
18:00:40jhMikeSkkurbjun: HW_HAVE_11 and HW_HAVE_11_() will be defined if the player supports that
18:01:12kkurbjun'all the ones I played had the sound much more lined up. jhMikeS, is there a have 22 also?
18:01:23XavierGr_hmm okay, so what do you want me to test exactly? I remember that on Gigabeat it was realtime but sound was still flawed (in a different way)
18:01:42jhMikeSkkurbjun: there's one for each rate
18:01:44XavierGr_kkurbjun: my main test is Marioland 1
18:01:53XavierGr_"Super Mario Land" that is
18:02:28jhMikeSconfig*.h defines a bitmask of supported samplerates and HW_HAVE_xx and HW_HAVE_xx_() and defined based on the mask
18:02:38jhMikeS*are defined
18:02:52kkurbjunXavierGr, how was the sound flawed? it does sound different from the older builds, but I also synced the sound to the last version of gnuboy - it is expected to sound different
18:03:07kkurbjunjhMikeS, thanks, I will use that then
18:03:08jhMikeSkkurbjun: see pcm_sampr.c and pcm_sampr.c for details
18:03:19jhMikeSpcm_sampr.h :P
18:03:36XavierGr_kkurbjun: when I say flawed I mean it is different and worse than the original, maybe gnuboy is to blame?
18:05:40kkurbjunXavierGr, I just don't understand what is worse, the samples are not overwriting themselves anymore on the gigabeat, everything should be locked properly now, does it sound like samples are missing? Are there extra noises that were not present before?
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18:07:20kkurbjunOn the gigabeat I was testing with a frameskip of 0 or 1 to make sure the game was running at a steady 60 fps
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18:07:28XavierGr_kkurbjun: yeah I will have to try again that one, because I don't remember how it was, on H300 though that I did test with the older version it still sounded more weird (maybe has to do that now it is slower)
18:08:10kkurbjunXavierGr, I will write up a patch to run it on the H300 at 11khz again, would you test it when I have it ready?
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18:09:06XavierGr_of course
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18:12:04XavierGrhmm how can I compile a specific revision in svn?
18:13:05desowinyou mean you want checkout specific revision ?
18:13:39desowinsvn up -rREVISION_NUMBER
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18:13:46XavierGrah thanks
18:13:58XavierGrdamn dinner's ready I will have to test it later
18:14:19rumaxihi there. Folks, i've got ATA Error: -32 on startup. what is this ?
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18:15:12rumaxiHDD is seems to be alright and able to RW via usb on desktop . fsck.vfat didn't found any errors
18:21:41peturrumaxi: what player?
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18:22:08rumaxiCowon X5
18:26:00peturthat code seems to be generated in firmware/drivers/ata.c on line, and it's got something to do with reading some registers from the disk
18:26:15petur*line 739
18:26:49peturdid this happen just like that?
18:26:51rumaxiso it's hardware problem with reading registers ?
18:26:54jhMikeSthe player must have just come back from Cowon service :)
18:27:21peturrumaxi: it is writing and reading back registers
18:29:08rumaxiwait, i'll download sources by myself, i'am russian so i understand C better then english :D
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18:29:46peturthe function is check_registers() in firmware/drivers.ata.c
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18:30:50peturand that is called from init_and_check() which adds -30 to the retval giving the total of -32
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18:31:44rumaxiit means initialization of hdd failed ?
18:33:29peturit means that reading back values that were written to some registers failed
18:33:47rumaxii see
18:34:29rumaxiworkaround ?
18:34:40peturhow did this start?
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18:36:33rumaxiit's my fault i think, i replaced original battery with nokia's one :-) but i didn't even touch hdd..
18:37:04rumaximaybe static or something else, i don't know
18:37:46peturyou could buid rockbox yourself and see if it works with the call removed
18:38:22rumaxiok, i'll try to coment this return
18:38:51kkurbjunxaviergr, I see what you mean in super mario land, there is a high pitch sound that rides on top of it, all of the gameboy color games I have tried are much better and most of the gameboy original games, there are a few that have that high pitch sound riding on them.
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18:41:35rumaxipetur: have you got toolchain to build iaudio's rockbox ?
18:42:34rumaxii just don't want to mess my own binutils and gcc
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18:43:00peturyou want me to build you a patched build?
18:43:42rumaxii'll be very glad if you do it for me
18:44:01rumaxiif it's not difficult for you
18:44:30vitesspetur: I think I came up with a sort of nasty workaround for the buffering / electrical noise issue with the sansa; I increased the "max files in dir/playlist" to ridiculous sizes in order to reduce the free buffer - bringing it down from 30MB to around 10MB, and that has greatly reduced the amount of buffering when playing the first song in a folder
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18:44:51vitesshoping it doesn't have any negative effects...
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18:46:15peturrumaxi: do you get this error in the bootloader or when rockbox itself starts?
18:47:24rumaxion bootloader after Version abd batt strings
18:48:03rumaxiso it's not rockbox problem..
18:48:33peturbetter not risk things with a bootloader anyway
18:49:10peturI've had my player get stuck after displaying bthe batt voltage when my battery was borked
18:49:28peturdid you already try to put the original battery in?
18:49:36rumaxiso it might be a batt problem ?
18:49:46rumaxibut why this error message ?
18:49:51peturno idea....
18:50:36peturI do know that I have seen disks not working ok due to faulty powersupply
18:51:28peturI'm a bit out of ideas, maybe somebody else has an idea? Too bad amiconn isn't here...
18:51:40rumaximy disk's mount via usb fine while on internal power
18:52:50petursure the usb doesn't also feed power?
18:53:31peturwell, dinner time here, got to cook some food...
18:53:34rumaxioh, u're right
18:55:31n1smarkun: are you fammiliar with the font cache stuff?
18:58:54kkurbjunrockbox uses unsigned 16 bit samples for sound natively correct?
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19:01:40Spec_hey, the site seems wonky...where can i get the bootloader/firmware? (rbutil)?
19:02:39Spec_ah, videolan.rockbox =p
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19:07:11jhMikeSkkurbjun: signed 16bit
19:08:45kkurbjunjhMikeS, I am trying to convert the 8 bit signed samples in rockboy to (now) signed 16 bit.. should I be concerned about any of the u or A law stuff? Is rockbox linear?
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19:10:42XavierGrkkurbjun: there?
19:10:49kkurbjunxaviergr, yes
19:11:15kkurbjunI tried marioland, it has an extremely high pitched sound riding on the output
19:11:22XavierGrwell prior to your version on Gigabeat rockboy runs more than it should
19:11:41XavierGrkkurbjun: indeed that's why I said that it sounds bad
19:11:53XavierGrand 44.1khz makes it worse
19:12:00kkurbjunI heard that on some of the gameboy games, but none were that bad -
19:12:02XavierGrat least on that specific game
19:12:26XavierGrwhat's your suggestion? which game should i test?
19:12:54kkurbjunyes, dr mario does it also, the majority of games I tried did not do it though, and the color games sound much better in general.. legend of zelda, gameboy color version - could you let me know how that sounds?
19:13:28XavierGrok I will try them out (good thing I own most of them :P)
19:13:44XavierGrthough I have to say that 44.1 khz is an overkill for devices that can go lower
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19:14:24kkurbjun:), I have that fixed in my version, I will post a patch once I figure out that noise
19:14:33kkurbjunthe 11khz thing that is
19:15:20XavierGrdoes gnuboy has a windows version tha I can try? maybe the emulator is bad on ondio emulation
19:15:58kkurbjunthere is a windows version
19:16:42kkurbjunlet me see if I can find it
19:16:55XavierGrI will try that version and see what the sound sounds like :P
19:17:19XavierGrfound it
19:17:37kkurbjunyou have to run it from command line
19:19:16XavierGrgah it sounds horrible
19:19:35XavierGrthere is an echo like effect that ruins everything
19:20:26kkurbjunthat's on the windows version?
19:25:11kkurbjuntry setting SDL_AUDIODRIVER=waveout before you run it
19:25:43kkurbjunI can't run it on my computer, it just crashes
19:27:03XavierGrwell it seems that gnuboy sucks on sound emulation, virtualboy's playback for example is perfect
19:28:38jhMikeSkkurbjun: it's linear
19:29:39kkurbjunjhMikeS, ok, thanks
19:33:13XavierGrkkurbjun: what SDL_AUDIODRIVER=waveout does?
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19:37:00kkurbjunit was just something that was in the FAQ for gnuboy, it is supposed to get rid of some noise
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19:41:44XavierGrkkurbjun: yeah it fixed the sound issue quite well but it lags like hell now
19:44:57XavierGrkkurbjun: thing is that on rockboy sound sounds wrong on all games that I am trying
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20:05:44XavierGrwasn't there a metronome plugin in rockbox?
20:08:56XavierGrah probably it isn't compiled for the sim
20:10:27n1sXavierGr: correct, it relies on some timer thingy that isn't implemented in the sim
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20:18:18n1shmm, buildserver seems stuck :-/
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21:18:21TTSbox_Hi, I am trying to compile Flite TTS system for rockbox as a plugin
21:18:47TTSbox_I have done a sample helloworld plugin with a seperate directory too
21:18:48DomonokyTTSbox_: cool :-)
21:19:03TTSbox_but this Flite code has more directories
21:19:35TTSbox_Should I have sources listed as directory/filename
21:19:59TTSbox_or rockbox makefile looks recursively?
21:20:35TTSbox_Thanks Domonoky I hope I manage this first porting
21:20:40TTSbox_I undertook
21:21:05TTSbox_They have their own makefiles
21:21:08DomonokyTTSbox_: hm i think if you add your plugin dir to SUBDIRS, then the makefile in this folder will be called..
21:21:35TTSbox_that may be good
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21:22:08TTSbox_but I think I will need to add some stuff from makefiles of other plugins
21:22:20TTSbox_right Domonoky?
21:22:35Domonokyjeah you have to adapt the Makefile in your plugin dir..
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22:29:53kkurbjunXavierGr: here is a patch, could you try this out on the gigabeat and H300 and let me know how it sounds:
22:31:22mud-rbkkurbjun: looks like you forgot to attach the patch
22:32:11kkurbjunI started adding in some sound code from VisualBoyAdvance - It only adds in some of the code for sound channel 3 (out of 4), and it seems to work well on the gigabeat, but I'm not sure how fast or slow it will run on the H300
22:32:23kkurbjunmud-rb, thanks I just attached it
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23:30:09peturPaulJam: here?
23:33:52PaulJam petur yes
23:34:33peturre the corruption you saw when moving a dir, was that with or without dircache?
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23:38:00PaulJamwhen i tested it with the official build i had used default settings (dircache off), but when i observed it with the unsupported build i had dircache enabled, so i guess it has no influence.
23:38:19peturok thanks
23:38:37peturmeans I can rule out dircache
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23:53:18mud-rbdoes one of these scripts in the tools directory make a .zip for each target?
23:53:52whoa_nicefuck YA
23:56:53peturmud-rb: if you type 'make zip' a zipfile is made
23:57:52mud-rbno, i mean like i was hoping there was a script to make a zip for each target, so i don't have to keep doing ../tools/configure and such over and over
23:58:29peturah... maybe talk to amiconn when he's around, he has some setup to builds all targets
23:58:37mud-rbah okay, thanks

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