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00:10:52	petur	PaulJam: nice bug you found there, it must have been in the code since day one...
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00:52:05	hcs	I'm trying to do some profiling on the gbs codec, but it doesn't look like the usec timer on my ipod is working...
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01:04:42	markun	hcs: why don't you use the test_codec plugin?
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01:04:52	markun	ah, profiling..
01:04:54	markun	sorry
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01:09:45	hcs	markun: it used to work nicely, but it seems like the resolution is really low, or something, now
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01:13:59	XavierGr	kkbjurn: bingo, sound on Gigabeat is perfect with the patch you made! Sound is choppy on H300 but that is because it can't get more than 55 fps.
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01:48:05	hcs	regarding the USEC_TIMER, it was my mistake, working fine
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02:26:50	*	petur wonders if something was changed to the power thread - had two stkov in power this evening
02:28:29	n1s	petur: amiconn did some power management cleanup recently...
02:29:07	petur	cleanup shouldn't incerase stack usage....
02:29:52	n1s	no, it shouldn't but those were the only recent power related changes.
02:31:19	petur	weird.. I can reproduce just by attaching usb
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02:32:10	petur	this is with my own testbuild, must check with a clean one
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02:38:57	petur	bah now it's ok again :(
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03:43:06	linuxstb	saratoga: Hi
03:43:55	saratoga	hi
03:44:00	saratoga	you're up late
03:44:49	linuxstb	Yes, my sleeping pattern has gone crazy...
03:45:00	linuxstb	(I've just got up...)
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03:45:08	saratoga	heh
03:45:27	saratoga	sadly, I have nothing to report
03:45:27	linuxstb	Did you see my message to you in the logs yesterday?
03:45:32	saratoga	other then moving
03:45:34	saratoga	no, will check now
03:46:07	saratoga	ah very good
03:46:38	saratoga	i'm curious about libasf, what do you consider the advantge of using it verses ffmpeg?
03:46:50	linuxstb	I understand it...
03:47:03	saratoga	you worked on it before?
03:47:08	linuxstb	No.
03:47:32	linuxstb	It's just that ffmpeg is a general purpose library, whereas libasf just does one thing - parse asf files.
03:47:49	linuxstb	So it's simpler.
03:48:09	saratoga	thats true
03:48:25	saratoga	i was leaning towards ffmpeg just because of the time i spent with it, but maybe this would be better
03:48:33	saratoga	can you post the code you've got?
03:48:39	linuxstb	Sure, just a moment...
03:48:40	saratoga	i can read through it now
03:50:23	linuxstb	http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/test1.zip
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03:51:26	saratoga	thanks
03:51:50	saratoga	this is a great way to test if my current problem is in the asf parser or the wma decoder
03:52:18	saratoga	this project would be so much harder if I ever had to actually write my own code, instead of just change other people's
03:52:27	linuxstb	It's now about 6900 lines of code - my old wmaplay was around 14000...
03:53:55	linuxstb	I've been working on trying to make it work like it needs to work in Rockbox - the main.c (my test program) loads the wma file into memory, and then decodes it from there.
03:54:34	linuxstb	Currently the asf parser needs a "read" function which copies the data, but I want to change it so that it just takes a pointer to a buffer, and processes the data directly from there (no copying).
03:55:27	linuxstb	libasf is also using malloc, but I'm slowly getting rid of them.
03:55:56	linuxstb	Does your wmadec.c (and fft/mdct etc) still use malloc?
03:56:40	saratoga	not anymore
03:57:09	linuxstb	Nice.
03:57:29	saratoga	it really should never have used it, since the buffer sizes are essentially fixed
03:58:11	linuxstb	Looking at it, it seemed to allocate buffers based on values read from the stream. Are you saying those values are essentially fixed?
03:58:19	saratoga	yes
03:58:31	saratoga	well, in theory they could have been different, but changing them would have been insane
03:58:56	saratoga	you could have fewer MDCT buffers, but only if your codec didn't use some MDCT window sizes
03:59:31	saratoga	same for FFT, etc
03:59:57	saratoga	i'd be surprised if anyone ever wrote a WMA decoder that did that, but I guess its possible one exists
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04:00:04	saratoga	sorry, WMA encoder
04:01:17	linuxstb	Have you looked at the ffmpeg wma encoder?
04:01:31	saratoga	no I haven't
04:01:38	saratoga	i get the impression that its not used
04:02:00	saratoga	also, I get a warning about lrintf in your code, should I just include math.h?
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04:02:16	linuxstb	That's the odd thing - the warning happens with math.h included...
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04:02:37	linuxstb	But I didn't worry, as I assumed your decoder didn't need it.
04:03:23	saratoga	i don't need it for the int version
04:03:30	saratoga	it doesn't matter for the fp version?
04:03:35	linuxstb	No, it works fine.
04:04:25	saratoga	how much does libasf actually malloc?
04:05:22	linuxstb	At the moment it mallocs quite a lot, but I think it can be made static. The problem is that (I assume), things are not a fixed size in asf streams.
04:05:38	saratoga	a lot of time, or a lot of bytes?
04:05:52	linuxstb	A lot of structures.
04:06:19	linuxstb	It mallocs and then reallocs, and in practice reallocs don't happen in my test streams.
04:06:19	saratoga	the ffmpeg parser doesn't actually malloc all that much memory, just a lot of small buffers and structs
04:06:30	linuxstb	Yes, it's not that much in terms of bytes.
04:06:36	saratoga	realloc is a problem
04:06:41	saratoga	since we dont' have one of those
04:07:25	saratoga	ah this called wma_decode_superframe directly
04:07:27	linuxstb	There are lots of allocs in the metadata parser, but that will need to be rewritten anyway because it needs to go into the core (apps/metadata).
04:07:27	saratoga	how nice
04:07:53	saratoga	do I loath those endless function pointer tables in ffmpeg
04:08:53	linuxstb	The other main mallocs are in the asf_get_packet() function, but I know how that can be rewritten - it shouldn't use it's own buffers, but just return pointers into the input buffer.
04:10:40	saratoga	off hand, do you happen to know how much memory the ogg/mp3/mpc decoders actually use?
04:11:39	linuxstb	Not really, but I don't think they're much better than WMA.
04:11:58	linuxstb	You could check the codec .map files
04:12:11	saratoga	i told you how much the current version uses right?
04:13:54	linuxstb	No, but I noticed the WMADecodeContext is about 140KB...
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04:15:35	linuxstb	So what do you think of libasf? Better than ffmpeg?
04:15:40	saratoga	its about 490kb for me
04:15:59	saratoga	so far it looks good
04:16:05	linuxstb	Did you remove any of the ffmpeg stuff compared to wmaplay?
04:16:10	saratoga	stripping away the ffmpeg crap was annoying
04:16:21	saratoga	yeah i removed a good bit, but most was in the parser anyway
04:16:54	saratoga	it should be pretty trivial to drop the integer version in
04:17:07	saratoga	the interfaces are the same, just need to convert everything to fixed format
04:17:10	linuxstb	Also, I think using libasf will make it easier to use the current ffmpeg decoder - less of ffmpeg to use.
04:17:24	saratoga	I agree
04:17:46	saratoga	my only concern is how good is the the parser?
04:17:49	linuxstb	And I think that would be worthwhile - I think the current version is a lot faster.
04:18:05	saratoga	faster how?
04:18:29	linuxstb	It works very well for me. The author seems to have taken the best of the videolan and ffmpeg parsers, and cleaned them up.
04:19:01	linuxstb	Just faster - there have been speed-related improvements added.
04:19:22	linuxstb	Which I would expect to also be applicable to an integer version.
04:19:35	linuxstb	But I didn't pay attention to the details.
04:20:19	saratoga	this just outputs raw pcm?
04:20:32	saratoga	other then matlab, is there any good way to play this?
04:22:18	linuxstb	I just use "sox" - the command "play -c 2 -r 44100 -s test.raw" in the Linux command-line...
04:23:13	linuxstb	But you may want to change it to output wav...
04:23:21	linuxstb	(I was lazy)
04:24:07	linuxstb	One thing I haven't worked out yet is how to get the total length of the stream from libasf. I'm not sure if that's easy with wma/asf...
04:25:35	linuxstb	BTW, have you seen the "asfbin" program? It's a nice command-line tool (but closed source) for manipulating asf files.
04:25:47	saratoga	i don't think so
04:26:01	linuxstb	Ah, seems there's now a gui version as well - http://www.radioactivepages.com/english/asfbin.html
04:26:44	linuxstb	The only wma files I have are webcasts, and asfbin lets you cut portions of an asf file, and filter to only extract (for example) the audio stream.
04:29:16	linuxstb	Checking the ffmpeg svn logs, it seems a lot of the optimisations have been assembler optimisations. But the ones I remember are these - "Optimize by building the mdct window and multipying/adding at the same time." and "WMA decoder improvement, output closer to the dmo binary." - so one speed improvement, and one accuracy improvement.
04:30:08	linuxstb	These were both by Ian Braithwaite, who was the person supposedly working on a fixed-point wma decoder for ffmpeg, but he's disappeared.
04:30:27	linuxstb	(he converted the Realaudio Cook decoder to fixed-point)
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04:33:16	saratoga	oh you meant the ffmpeg decoder
04:33:24	saratoga	i thought you were speaking of the asfparser
04:33:34	saratoga	yes the big one I think is the window optimization
04:33:46	saratoga	that needs to be included, but I don't think doing so will be very difficult
04:34:08	saratoga	i think theres a lot of possible optimizations anyway
04:34:21	saratoga	the big thing is ffmpeg tries to use the same mdct for everything for maintainability
04:34:33	saratoga	we can probably be a lot smarter about it
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04:37:44	linuxstb	I'll be leaving that to you and preglow...
04:38:01	saratoga	ok, got wav output implemented, and it decodes correctly
04:38:04	linuxstb	I'm happy to do some more work on the asf parser if you want me to though.
04:38:09	saratoga	YES
04:38:15	saratoga	i will take whatever help i can get
04:38:47	linuxstb	The important thing (speed-wise) is to stop the asf parser copying data. That will also have the advantage of getting rid of all the mallocs.
04:38:55	saratoga	honestly, the asf stuff is quite dull to me
04:39:20	saratoga	and I'd also like to be able to spend more time in the lab this summer, so anybody helping is a double win for me
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04:44:01	linuxstb	BTW, something that may be nice (if it's not that hard to do), is to change the wma decoder so it ouputs each channel into an array of 32-bit ints (with as much precision as you can), instead of the interleaved 16-bit output it generates now. That's how most of the codecs output their data, and (IIUC) what the dsp code requires.
04:45:07	linuxstb	Looking at the code, it seems to do that already - the frame_out[ch] array...
04:45:12	saratoga	sure, thats no problem
04:45:44	hcs	how does one go about using this codec testing plugin?
04:46:10	saratoga	just -2^31 as the negative full scale value and 2^31 as the positive one (or however it maps in twos comp)?
04:46:28	linuxstb	saratoga: And the frame_out array should be passed into the codec as a parameter, so it can be removed from the WMADecodeContext struct.
04:46:58	linuxstb	saratoga: I think it's 28 bits plus a sign bit. preglow would know for sure (or look at other codecs0
04:47:07	saratoga	hcs: I think you just use a context menu and chose open with
04:47:16	hcs	ah, ok
04:47:33	saratoga	you need to compile a build with it enabled though
04:48:02	saratoga	ok thats a bit odd, I will check what the actual format is later
04:48:05	hcs	well, how then is that done?
04:48:20	linuxstb	Just add "test_codec.c" to apps/plugins/SOURCES
04:48:32	hcs	thanks
04:49:01	linuxstb	saratoga: I think it's to give some headroom for the DSP processing - so it doesn't overflow.
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04:49:55	saratoga	that makes sense
04:50:12	gantrixx	I know this isn't the channel for it but is there someone you could message me privately and explain to me how to use gtkpod?
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04:50:22	saratoga	i think we only get something like 12 bit resolution out of the codec anyway
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04:52:04	linuxstb	The floating point version, or your version, or both?
04:52:39	Llorean	hcs: I think you have to add it to the viewers.config file too for it to show up in the open with list.
04:52:52	linuxstb	The viewers.config change is now in SVN
04:53:39	Llorean	Ah
04:53:46	hcs	Llorean: yeah, just building it does it
04:53:49	Llorean	Oh, right, because it gets removed automatically if the viewer isn't there.
04:53:53	Llorean	Or rather, not added
04:54:32	hcs	'course, my codec is pretty broken
04:59:53	linuxstb	Is it working in test_codec ?
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05:55:15	chrisjs169_	hey
05:55:18	aarcane	I was shopping for a rockbox-friendly device, and I went to newegg and couldn't find the cowon X5L which I had decided on anymore
05:55:42	aarcane	so I was wondering if any of you could reccomend a place that still sells it, or a different device that newegg still sells.
05:56:13	chrisjs169_	hmm...you're using ipv6? (looking for cowon x5l)
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05:58:13	chrisjs169_	Amazon has an X5...
05:58:14	aarcane	yeah, cowon X5L in the largest size available preferably.
05:59:28	aarcane	I'm looking for the L specifically for the extended battery life
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06:00:15	chrisjs169_	you can 'request this item from another seller' on Amazon - http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/preorder/new/B000AYWP0O/ref=oor_dp_e_re/103-2389935-3674207
06:02:09	aarcane	Mmm
06:02:41	aarcane	I think it'd be better to find a different product all together instead...
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06:14:54	aarcane	so does rockbox work with the ipods currently being sold on the online apple store ?
06:15:11	aarcane	the table makes me think they do, but I'd like to be 100% sure before I'd buy
06:16:31	Llorean	The current iPod Video, yes. The current iPod Nano, no.
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06:30:30	cwelton	so, the website says that the only iriver products supported are the H100, H300 and H10 series. however, I've noted that the chart shows ifp builds −− or at least builds for the IFP-7xx series. Are there any anecdotal instances of it working on this/these hardware(s)?
06:37:12	alienbiker99	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverIfpPort
06:43:35	cwelton	oops, realised I was using the wrong field to search, i see that now. thanks
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10:03:39	JdGordon	good news everybody :) I have the start of a working ring buffer
10:05:36	markun	what are you working on?
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10:06:02	JdGordon	api
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10:17:34	nls	hmm, is there a reason that only about half of what's in the docs dir is included in FILES?
10:19:21	JdGordon	lazy devs? :p
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11:02:14	MonkeyTamer	does anyone have experience with the scrolling margins patch?
11:02:50	*	markun doesn't
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11:03:01	MonkeyTamer	:(
11:03:19	MonkeyTamer	just playing around with the tags; not working how they should
11:03:37	markun	maybe you can write the guy who made the patch?
11:03:52	MonkeyTamer	yeah, that would probably be more helpful
11:05:21	MonkeyTamer	I'm just experimenting a WPS, as I've been inspired to see how much I can cram on the Gigabeat screen with as Album art as large as possible
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11:06:08	MonkeyTamer	not really as easy as I expected
11:08:23	petur	what about looking at some other wps'ses that seem to work?
11:09:25	MonkeyTamer	that's definitely a start, and I'm using one as a template; I'm just having some trouble with the margins
11:09:56	MonkeyTamer	It's basically done, but I have a couple more kinks to work out
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11:24:32	TiMiD[FD]	hello !
11:24:53	markun	hi TiMiD[FD]!
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11:26:09	TiMiD[FD]	hmm
11:26:27	TiMiD[FD]	I'm making the radio pressets for japan
11:26:35	TiMiD[FD]	but it's all in kanjis
11:26:41	markun	:)
11:26:42	TiMiD[FD]	I wonder if it's ok ...
11:26:54	markun	Well, there are very few fonts which you could use with that
11:26:54	TiMiD[FD]	also there are more than 600 towns ...
11:27:15	TiMiD[FD]	anyway japanese people use those fonts ...
11:27:28	markun	true
11:27:35	TiMiD[FD]	but I was wondering if it was ok for upload on the web site
11:28:51	markun	what about these 600 towns? Do you want to make 600 preset files?
11:29:02	TiMiD[FD]	I have 600 presets files
11:29:05	TiMiD[FD]	can't be helped
11:29:08	markun	wow
11:29:17	TiMiD[FD]	674
11:29:21	markun	well, you can zip them
11:29:39	scorche	TiMiD[FD]: heh...i was going to ask about just converting to romaji, but 600 is a lot..
11:29:54	TiMiD[FD]	every town have different frequencies and different stations so ... and since it's a country with a lot of mountains ....
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11:30:14	TiMiD[FD]	I'll first try on my iriver to see if the presets can work
11:31:08	TiMiD[FD]	I mean if the fm preset reader handles unicode ...
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11:31:35	MonkeyTamer	wow, how long did it take for all of that?
11:32:08	TiMiD[FD]	3 years runing the japanese roads with my iriver and an antenna
11:32:23	MonkeyTamer	nice work
11:32:29	TiMiD[FD]	just kidding ...
11:32:41	MonkeyTamer	;p
11:32:42	TiMiD[FD]	I got a station list on a jp website
11:33:00	TiMiD[FD]	and tested here to see if that matched for 2 or 3 towns I went recently
11:33:38	MonkeyTamer	I'm sure it will be quite a service for some people though
11:33:53	TiMiD[FD]	beginning with me
11:33:56	TiMiD[FD]	:)
11:35:11	TiMiD[FD]	7 different preset files just for tokyo
11:35:18	TiMiD[FD]	depending on the area ...
11:35:39	MonkeyTamer	haha, I don't even have a radio in my car
11:35:53	MonkeyTamer	courtesy of the anti-theft code
11:36:03	TiMiD[FD]	where do you live ?
11:36:10	MonkeyTamer	USA
11:36:19	MonkeyTamer	car's a mitsubishi though
11:36:31	TiMiD[FD]	ah usa
11:36:39	MonkeyTamer	so when my battery died, I lost access to the cd player/radio
11:37:07	TiMiD[FD]	do they steal your autoradio there too ?
11:37:11	MonkeyTamer	4 digit code = 10,000 permutations, which is too much to guess for me
11:37:22	MonkeyTamer	it wouldn't be worth it here
11:37:33	TiMiD[FD]	oh only that ...
11:37:57	TiMiD[FD]	cannot be recovered or reset ?
11:38:01	TiMiD[FD]	by the vendor ?
11:38:09	MonkeyTamer	for something like $80
11:38:22	MonkeyTamer	I can buy a new one for the same price
11:39:15	MonkeyTamer	so you use an iriver i'm guessing?
11:40:10	TiMiD[FD]	yes
11:40:27	TiMiD[FD]	an old one
11:40:29	TiMiD[FD]	still working
11:40:32	TiMiD[FD]	h140
11:40:41	MonkeyTamer	I've never actually got a chance to use one, but I've heard they work fairly well on rockbox
11:40:51	*	JdGordon summons Nico_P or pondlife :p
11:41:15	TiMiD[FD]	oh mine never worked very nicely
11:41:26	MonkeyTamer	that's a shame
11:41:33	TiMiD[FD]	I was obliged to patch the bootloader to make it detect the drive
11:41:58	TiMiD[FD]	recent builds also have a problem with the dircache
11:42:18	TiMiD[FD]	which is disabled at every reboot
11:42:24	TiMiD[FD]	I don't know why ^^
11:42:25	MonkeyTamer	that's a pain
11:42:41	TiMiD[FD]	recent builds are not very stable anyway ...
11:43:27	MonkeyTamer	sometimes it's a good idea to keep a couple good backups
11:43:43	MonkeyTamer	new features and tweaks can be nice, but they can also cause problems
11:43:52	TiMiD[FD]	yes ... mylast backup is a build from 2005 so ...
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11:44:29	MonkeyTamer	wow, that's quite a while; usually my backups are around a month or two old
11:45:16	TiMiD[FD]	this one was burnt on a cd by error ...
11:45:28	TiMiD[FD]	the cd is 11000km away thougth
11:46:21	MonkeyTamer	how convenient ;p
11:46:34	TiMiD[FD]	ehh ...
11:46:45	TiMiD[FD]	I'm not sure my cd collection would have fit in the plane
11:46:48	TiMiD[FD]	hmm
11:46:52	TiMiD[FD]	I mean in the case
11:47:04	TiMiD[FD]	I'm not that kind of person ^^
11:47:17	TiMiD[FD]	to fit an A380 with CDs ....
11:48:34	nls	:-)
11:48:39	MonkeyTamer	thank goodness for ISOs when it comes to CDs, but you can only store so many
11:48:49	TiMiD[FD]	oh
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11:49:04	TiMiD[FD]	but I store my CD ISOs on DVDs
11:49:15	TiMiD[FD]	so erm ...
11:49:23	MonkeyTamer	that's actually kind of funny
11:49:41	MonkeyTamer	one disc to another
11:49:51	JdGordon	nls: why didnt you just change docs/FILES to "*" ?
11:51:52	MonkeyTamer	eh.. I'm growing to understand why some patches remain as they are.. trying to fix problems with a WPS is hard when they're purely patch-related
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12:01:47	TiMiD[FD]	hmm
12:02:13	TiMiD[FD]	I will split my files by prefectures ...
12:02:21	TiMiD[FD]	anyone knows how to submit radio presets ?
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12:09:10	TiMiD[FD]	grrrmmbll
12:09:22	TiMiD[FD]	the wiki doesn't accept my registration
12:09:50	TiMiD[FD]	hmm registered anyway ....
12:10:48	TiMiD[FD]	would someone nicely add me into the user group ?
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12:17:49	obo	What username?
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12:20:41	linuxstb	I'm not sure there is one - IIRC, you get prompted when you attempt to write.
12:20:49	TiMiD[FD]	ok !
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12:21:54	TiMiD[FD]	hmm ok it works
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12:23:12	JdGordon	freeking woohooo! my buffering is almost working :D
12:24:29	moos	congrates !
12:24:34	moos	;)
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12:45:19	daniel1234	Hi, just a quick question. How can I check if my ipod needs a hard drive replacement. It won't go into disk mode and w won't boot the apple fw
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12:47:28	nls	JdGordon: hmm, dunno, really, guess I just followed the way it was previously...
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12:49:54	MonkeyTamer	yay, only one bug left to figure out on my wps
12:52:07	MonkeyTamer	I wouldn't suppose anyone here is quite familiar with the album art patch?
12:55:17	markun	nope
12:57:00	MonkeyTamer	oh well, the wps is pretty much as done as it's going to be; the only thing I'd want to fix is to have 220x220 album art instead of my random 208x208
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13:25:45	eifzon	does rockbox working on iriver e10?
13:26:19	JdGordon	no
13:26:47	eifzon	ok :'(
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13:52:36	ompaul	eifzon so port it :-) you have the hardware :)
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13:53:23	\sic	Hey guys, i create my playlists for my ipod with floola but rockbox cant read this, why?! Can Rockbox only read m3u playlists?
13:54:40	dionoea	what format does floola create ?
13:55:05	\sic	didnt know :/
13:55:13	dionoea	what extension does it have ?
13:55:47	\sic	didnt know :/
13:55:53	\sic	what can rockbox read?!
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13:57:15	dionoea	.m3u (or .m3u8) AFAIK
13:57:24	aliask	JdGordon: Buffering stuff?
13:57:26	dionoea	but it's possible to add other formats
13:57:37	dionoea	well ... to code support for other formats
13:57:42	JdGordon	aliask: new buffering api
13:57:59	JdGordon	or yes.... depending on what you meant:p
13:58:19	aliask	Yes, that's what I meant. Making much progress?
13:58:47	JdGordon	As long as the buffer doesnt need to wrap it works fine... not sure where the wrapp bug is though
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14:00:13	aliask	I'd take a look, but I don't think I'd be much help :)
14:00:49	JdGordon	I dont think the code is very nice to look at atm :p
14:00:57	JdGordon	youd go crazy before understanding it
14:01:22	aliask	Perhaps that might be a good place to start then?
14:02:46	JdGordon	which part?
14:02:51	JdGordon	the going crazy?
14:02:53	aliask	lol
14:02:56	aliask	damn you beat me to it
14:03:02	JdGordon	:D
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14:19:53	jac0b	can I change the version number to something else?
14:20:07	jac0b	when compiling
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14:21:57	nls	jac0b: yes
14:22:22	jac0b	nls: where do you edit before you compile?
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14:22:59	nls	change line 114 of apps/main.c replace APPSVERSION with whatever you want your version string to be
14:24:09	jac0b	nls: okay thanks
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14:30:47	jac0b	nls: I get a error when I change the APPSVERSION
14:30:49	jac0b	main.c:114: error: 'Simple' undeclared here (not in a function)
14:30:49	jac0b	make[1]: *** [/rockbox/build/apps/main.o] Error 1
14:30:49	jac0b	make: *** [build] Error 2
14:31:38	Domonoky	jac0b: you probably forgot the " "
14:31:39	nls	jac0b: did you put your string inside double quotes like: "whaterver" ?
14:31:58	jac0b	ah I see
14:32:09	jac0b	thank you
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14:36:25	jac0b	that fixed it thanks guys
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15:13:16	floola	hi, I've installed rockBox on my iPod nano. Everything works great. The only annoying thing is that I would like the volume slider to move faster (I have to turn several times the wheel). Is there a setting I can change somewhere?
15:14:59	midkay	floola: not at the moment, sorry.
15:15:10	floola	ok, good to know.
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16:27:48	Nico_P	JdGordon: still not here ?
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16:51:43	JdGordon	Nico_P: hey
16:51:55	Nico_P	hi !
16:52:05	JdGordon	hows the gsoc stuff going?
16:52:08	Nico_P	I've been working on the buffering and I saw you too
16:52:26	JdGordon	I'm close to something almost working
16:52:30	JdGordon	you?
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16:52:49	Nico_P	I have some basics and a lot of ideas :)
16:52:59	Nico_P	but I went for a linked list
16:53:34	JdGordon	your not going to have massive fragmentation? or lost blocks?
16:53:44	Nico_P	I believe the buffering api is a good first step for MoB
16:54:07	JdGordon	for sure
16:54:17	Nico_P	honestly I don't really know...
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16:54:34	Nico_P	I don't think so
16:55:00	JdGordon	depends how its done of course, but I think there is a good chance you will, unless the whole thing gets overly ocmplicated
16:55:02	Nico_P	what makes you think I would ?
16:55:16	JdGordon	a LL might be nicer for mob though
16:55:21	Nico_P	I think so
16:56:02	Nico_P	because with your static array of handles, you'll be limiting the number of buffered files
16:56:42	Nico_P	the problem with the LL is that I won't be able to reclaim space from a file until it's completely finished reading
16:57:00	JdGordon	and I tihnk managing the space will be harder
16:57:21	Nico_P	maybe not but it might be less efficient
16:57:37	Nico_P	space wise I mean
16:57:42	Nico_P	because of what I said
16:58:13	JdGordon	true, I hope your right, :)
16:58:20	*	JdGordon doesnt really like this ring buffer thing
16:58:34	Nico_P	we can't really do without it ;)
16:59:23	JdGordon	wait a sec.. your implementing the LL in the ring buffer?
16:59:29	Nico_P	yes
16:59:37	JdGordon	its 1am here... im alloud to sound stupid :)
16:59:58	JdGordon	OH.... wow, your masocistic :)
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17:00:14	Nico_P	I don't really see another way of doing it
17:00:24	Nico_P	mayeb I can share how I see it
17:00:45	JdGordon	so you wont have fragmentation
17:00:56	Nico_P	I don't think so
17:01:00	JdGordon	you might run the risk of losing the start of the data though
17:01:17	Nico_P	what start of the data ?
17:01:29	JdGordon	the pointer to the first ll block
17:02:02	JdGordon	unbuffering shouldnt be a problem. just cut the chunk in half, and copy the header to just before it, and fiddle with pointers
17:02:40	Nico_P	yeah, hadn't really thought of moving the header, but it could be nice
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17:03:14	Nico_P	yes, the pointer to the first LL block will need to be treated extra carefully, but I don't think it will be too hard
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17:04:48	Nico_P	the only problem I could see was with a track bigger than the buffer... because I inted to store metadata after the actual audio data (so that it remains valid as long as there is audio left for the track) there is a problem
17:04:50	JdGordon	I dont think it will be too difficult to convert my codde to a LL system
17:05:09	Nico_P	but I had an idea which may or may not be stupid : the buffer for the track could be a ring buffer
17:05:36	Nico_P	I've been looking to your code a fair bit and using some of your ideas
17:05:52	Nico_P	I looked at the first version most and it did give me inspiration :)
17:05:53	JdGordon	I think the best thing is to have a seperate buffer for the current tracks metadata which playback can copy from the buffered file/s and buffering shouldnt manage
17:06:28	JdGordon	??? split the buffer into multiple RB's? your crazy :D
17:06:48	Nico_P	I thought about that but I think it could be an unecessary limitation because it'd mean limiting the max metadata size
17:06:59	Nico_P	well actually w'd only have one RB in the main RB :p
17:08:02	Bagder	I agree with you Nico_P, much of the point with mob is to have it all in the single ring buffer
17:08:03	Nico_P	that way the metadata (which can be a big bitmap and a cuesheet and lyrics and all) will remain valid without having to move it around
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17:08:38	Bagder	that makes hardly any size or amount limits and the data won't need copying
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17:09:04	JdGordon	that will only work nicely when the whole track and data needs to fit in the buffer for it to work nicely
17:09:38	Bagder	the metadata needs to fit, yes
17:09:55	Bagder	so I agree with songs biffer than the ring buffer, there's a problem
17:09:59	Bagder	bigger
17:10:01	Nico_P	that's for sure, otherwise we can't display it :)
17:10:24	Nico_P	Bagder: that's why I thought about having the track's buffer as a ring buffer
17:10:52	Nico_P	only when it's too big of course
17:10:55	Bagder	ah, you mean basicially the entire buffer except for part where the meta data is?
17:11:13	Nico_P	yes
17:11:32	Bagder	sounds like a good idea to me
17:11:32	Nico_P	and also the part with the header to the track
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17:11:35	JdGordon	is there a way to get the filesize without reading the whole file?
17:11:52	Nico_P	that's a question I wanted to ask too :)
17:12:04	Bagder	yes, I don't think it reads the whole file for getting the size
17:13:01	JdGordon	filesize(fd)
17:13:04	JdGordon	nice and easy
17:13:15	Nico_P	JdGordon: it works in both rocbox and unix ?
17:13:31	JdGordon	definatly rockbox
17:13:39	JdGordon	common/file.c
17:14:32	Bagder	yes, it is a rockbox thing, not unix/posix
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17:16:04	dionoea	hello
17:16:09	kkurbjun	XavierGr, that patch worked out well for you then?
17:16:12	dionoea	Bagder: ready to change the build page ? :)
17:16:17	Nico_P	JdGordon: for unix : http://users.actcom.co.il/~choo/lupg/tutorials/handling-files/handling-files.html#sys_file_stat
17:16:38	Bagder	dionoea: possibly tonight, but don't count on it...
17:17:01	dionoea	ah :/ ok
17:17:30	JdGordon	Nico_P: stat() is limited to 32bit... shold be fine for us, but important to remember.....
17:17:55	Bagder	stat is not limited to 32 bit
17:18:05	Nico_P	JdGordon: I'll just write a wrapper so that the same code works under linux and rockbox
17:18:14	Bagder	but for rockbox I guess it doesn't matter
17:18:18	JdGordon	accordng to the page i looked at it is
17:18:29	Bagder	then the page is wrong
17:18:38	Bagder	or rather
17:18:56	Bagder	stat is transparently altered when you use/build large-file capable
17:19:02	JdGordon	Jan 31 2004 10:36PM messages near this date
17:19:04	XavierGr	kkurbjun: yes at least for Gigabeat it is perfect
17:19:06	JdGordon	wrong, or outdated :p
17:19:17	XavierGr	kkurbjun: on H300 it is choopy but that's cause the low fps
17:19:26	kkurbjun	XavierGr, how is the frame skip on the H300?
17:19:38	kkurbjun	Unfortunately the hd on mine died..
17:19:43	XavierGr	even with frameskip to 6 it won't reach 60 fps
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17:19:56	XavierGr	it will go around 50 though the frameskip counter will report only 2
17:19:56	kkurbjun	is it any worse than it was before?
17:20:15	XavierGr	you mean performance wise on the rendering?
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17:20:38	kkurbjun	XavierGR, at somepoint frameskip doesn't matter, the cpu emulation code just isn't fast enough
17:20:40	Nico_P	JdGordon: do you want to see my code ?
17:20:50	JdGordon	ok
17:20:53	XavierGr	kkurbjun: you HD died? :(
17:21:04	Nico_P	it's not much yet but you'll probably see a glimpse of where it's going
17:21:40	JdGordon	have you seen the newest version of mine i put on the wiki?
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17:21:49	Nico_P	yes
17:21:50	kkurbjun	I mean, at the same frameskip setting before the commit and after my patch on flyspray, does it run at the same number of FPS
17:22:15	kkurbjun	yes, on the H300 it died.. I don't think those hard drive player like snow skiing
17:22:17	XavierGr	I think there is a small difference but I am not sure
17:22:47	kkurbjun	I use my nano now with a compact flash card when I go skiing
17:22:50	XavierGr	but the patch made it faster than the current version (which was slower than before tha audio commit)
17:22:57	kkurbjun	ok, great
17:23:19	XavierGr	kkurbjun: so now you are left with the gigabeat and the nano?
17:23:34	kkurbjun	I'm sorry, a mini
17:23:41	kkurbjun	yes, gigabeat and a mini
17:23:56	XavierGr	damn H300 is really a nice dap!
17:24:02	XavierGr	are you going to get another hd?
17:25:15	kkurbjun	I have a nano that I can get ahold of for testing when i need to.. I might, I'm going to china soon for 2 weeks, and it was really nice to have it to copy pictures off my camera, and for the long flight over
17:25:29	XavierGr	indeed
17:26:02	XavierGr	you should try to resurrect it, you can't find good daps like it anymore...
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17:27:05	kkurbjun	I can almost get a used player for the cost of a new hard drive though. I had replaced the battery in the H300 also and since it's been sitting out it's started to balloon a bit, so I will need to replace that also.
17:27:45	XavierGr	what about the old battery?
17:29:42	kkurbjun	it didn't hold a charge anymore - too many cycles on it
17:30:01	XavierGr	ah
17:30:32	XavierGr	so do you think that rockboy can be optimized anymore to run realtime on coldfire?
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17:32:19	kkurbjun	I'm not going to commit that patch yet, I would like to finish bringing in the rest of the visualboy sound code - it adds quite a bit to the way the audio is rendered. It definitely could be sped up, but I don't want to spend the time to write an assembly core or anything like that.
17:33:04	kkurbjun	Eventually I want to get back to working on the gigabeat flash
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17:35:44	XavierGr	kkurbjun: yeah gigabeat sure needs that, the OF bootloader is irritating
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17:38:57	Nico_P	Bagder: would it be possible to track work in a special place of svn without flooding the index page with changes ?
17:40:02	JdGordon	... and causing the builds to get built
17:40:17	The-Compiler	Can anyone here help me with the Loader2? I get the error " ext2fs not found \| Not valid FAT superblock". My current partition table: www.pastebin.ca/598686
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18:02:15	linuxstb	kkurbjun: Have you looked at the iboy source? That's also based on gnuboy, but I think it's been more actively worked on than rockboy has over the years.
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18:13:28	mickleby	newbie, sad I know, cannot understand why the keypad isn't mapping properly: cygwin ipod video simulator. The BUTTON_MENU maps to keypad '0' instead of '.' and BUTTON_SELECT doesn't seem to be mapped at all.
18:15:07	dionoea	mickleby: this is the mapping: http://pastebin.ca/598735
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18:23:58	mickleby	dionoea: ty, yes that is my expectation of keymapping. Yet for some reason BUTTON_MENU is mapped to SDLK_KP0 instead of SDLK_KP_PERIOD. I will verify the SDL.dll; I hadn't realized that was involved in the keymapping. I am clueless, really, why the mapping would be wrong. I can build (n)ormal and the app works on my iPod, but building (s)imulator results in this funky keymapping.
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18:24:46	linuxstb	dionoea: Does the reversi plugin you committed implement AI opponents? IIRC, the version I tested didn't have that, and it seemed a bit pointless without it.
18:25:11	dionoea	linuxstb: yeah, that's what i found out afterwards :) I'm going to have a look at the AI implementation
18:26:20	chrisjs169	jhMikeS: apparently the MicroSD problem wasn't only affecting my Sansa - there's a user on AnythingButiPod complaining about how their sansa is frozen on the logo as well
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18:28:08	linuxstb	dionoea: OK. I was just wondering why you had committed it...
18:30:00	jhMikeS	chrisjs169: really? hmmm, have they tried the same trick you did?
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18:30:43	jhMikeS	probably not or else you'd have said that :P
18:32:15	chrisjs169	jhMikeS: I told them to try it - it isn't really hard to fix, but I find it a hassle to get a MicroSD card simply to get Rockbox to load for the first time
18:32:25	dionoea	linuxstb: tu AIs from hinversi look simple enough to port
18:33:15	dionoea	s/tu/the/
18:33:25	dionoea	and they don't use fancy stuff like malloc ... which is perferct :)
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18:33:36	dionoea	(and they're GPL)
18:33:42	dionoea	I'll commit those tonight
18:34:30	jhMikeS	chrisjs169: I agree but if it works for more that one person ... well if they could look on System\|Debug\|View I/O Ports and tell the value of GPIO_A _before_ inserting anything it might say something
18:36:17	jhMikeS	it shoud of course be done on an older build before the commit
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18:42:04	Eimann	moin
18:42:35	Eimann	is there a way to charge the ipod while rockbox is running? (charging via usb cable, ipod mini first gen
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18:48:20	kkurbjun	linuxstb, I have looked at iboy, but still uses the same sound code as the original gnuboy.
18:48:44	jhMikeS	chrisjs169: did you ever try resetting settings before doing the card insert thing? I can't recall if you did.
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18:51:06	The-Compiler	Opps, should be in #ipodlinux :)
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19:00:06	Domonoky_	jop
19:00:39	mickleby	n00b, lost and looney, keymapping problem ipod video simulator (cygwin xindows xp home sp2 gcc 3.4.4 make 3.81 ld 2.17.50 sdl.dll 1.2.9 toshiba satellite l35-s2151) Not a show stopper issue, can build working (n)ormal app. Laptop keypad uses function keys, these were broken by Windows update not long ago, perhaps this is related? Will build a test rig to echo keypress values, this should isolate a hardware issu
19:01:15	bluebrother	what do you think about handling the "shared" manuals with rbutil.ini?
19:01:35	bluebrother	I changed that, diff is here: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/manualname-in-cfg2.diff
19:01:40	Domonoky_	would be good.. :-)
19:01:45	Domonoky_	cool a patch :-)
19:02:18	bluebrother	sure ... I also played around with Qt a bit. Too bad there is no ready-to-use html browser that is network capable
19:02:46	Domonoky_	bluebrother: patch looks good, commit it :-)
19:02:56	bluebrother	ok, I'll do :)
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19:03:13	bluebrother	just wanted to make sure you like the idea at all
19:03:36	Domonoky_	jeah its good..
19:03:46	jhMikeS	faking out rockbox into thinking it's mounted and not having anything inserted doesn't seem to keep it from booting but I have an idea I'll try out since that test isn't really conclusive
19:03:57	jhMikeS	s/mounted/inserted/
19:04:02	Domonoky_	Cassandra wanted to remove the inline html view of rbutil, and just present the link..
19:04:26	Domonoky_	so not html viewer in qt isnt a problem..
19:05:59	bluebrother	well, QTextBrowser in fact is quite good displaying the html. AFAICT it's even better than the wx viewer.
19:06:09	bluebrother	especially the stylesheet works
19:06:34	bluebrother	but no viewer is even better −− less work ;-)
19:06:37	Domonoky_	and it works with proxies i think :-)
19:07:07	Domonoky_	so, if someone has the time to port to QT i am for it :-)
19:07:26	bluebrother	well, QHttp works fine with proxies. I just haven't got a good idea how to integrate it into QTextBrowser
19:07:54	bluebrother	well, I played around with it a bit. Let's see how far I'll get −− and how much time RL leaves me for trying
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19:08:09	bluebrother	but it's a good chance to learn Qt a bit, something I wanted to do for years :D
19:08:09	Domonoky_	so its the same as with wx? wxURL works with proxys, but wxHtmlView... :-)
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19:08:30	*	Domonoky_ already has done some work with QT..
19:09:10	Domonoky_	for rbutil i would suggest, to start building a base app, and then slowly porting the functionality of rockbox..
19:09:59	Domonoky_	most of the Functionality shouldnt be hard to port, if the framwork for it is ready..
19:10:18	bluebrother	yeah. The GUI is really quick done with qt-designer
19:10:26	Domonoky_	�h.. me should drink more Coffee..
19:10:48	bluebrother	:)
19:10:58	Domonoky_	bluebrother: you want to generate the GUI ? i like it more to do it by hand..
19:11:28	*	Domonoky_ doesnt like generated code :-)
19:14:58	bluebrother	well, it isn't too bad.
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19:15:30	bluebrother	I started with designer because it's faster, but once I'm more used to Qt I guess I'll also build UIs myself ;-)
19:16:11	Domonoky_	well, if you start a QT version of rbutil, make it aviable somewhere, and i will step in and help :-)
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19:56:58	webguest41	Hi. Is there software to view PDFs using rockbox?
19:57:10	dionoea	no
19:58:46	webguest41	just wondering.. is c++ an only language to develop plugins for rockbox?
19:59:00	bluebrother	no. You need C. Not C++
19:59:44	webguest41	thank you =)
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21:21:02	Llorean	Maurice: There aren't any official non-English support locations.
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21:30:09	Maurice	bluebrother?
21:30:14	Maurice	do you have ICq
21:30:39	Maurice	because my nick isn't registered and so IRC think it is spam
21:30:57	petur	so register....
21:31:10	Maurice	How?
21:31:48	petur	/msg nickserv help
21:31:52	bluebrother	Maurice: you can receive PM's on freenode even if unregistered ...
21:32:04	bluebrother	or check freenode.org on how to register.
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21:32:29	Maurice	Bluebrother aren't you German? I Thought so...
21:32:40	bluebrother	yes I am.
21:32:46	Maurice	oki
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22:02:09	floola	Hi, I updated the mpeg-resume patch to work with latest SVN and iPods. I made the diff (guess ok, but never made one before). Now what, where should patches be sent?
22:03:05	dionoea	in the FlySpray interface
22:03:16	amiconn	hi dionoea
22:03:53	floola	ok
22:04:03	amiconn	dionoea: The "jewels" puzzle tiles on H1x0 look strange
22:04:12	amiconn	(at least one of them)
22:04:24	dionoea	they look stange on all the DAPs IMO :)
22:04:36	amiconn	I guess it's because they're simple stretched and anti-aliased
22:04:40	dionoea	i just didn't feel like doing nice graphics (and i'm no good at it either)
22:04:51	dionoea	and yeah, they only look sharp on iPod Video resolutions
22:05:57	*	bluebrother noticed that puzzle tiles strangeness too
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22:08:23	dionoea	amiconn: feel free to draw new puzzle tiles :)
22:08:32	amiconn	hmpf
22:09:08	dionoea	I could have stolen those from MonsterZ ... but i doubt that they'd look good after being downscaled
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22:17:08	senab	just put my new WPS up on the wiki if anyone's intereted
22:17:14	senab	*interested
22:17:40	senab	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g#slant
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22:56:52	mickleby	n00b bluz, resolved by testing! what a concept... keypad problem rockbox simulator ipod video cygwin BUTTON_MENU not mapped to SDLK_PERIOD. The toshiba satellite l35-s2151 function NumLk needed to get NumPad input. Fn+'.' doesn't equal [Fn+NumLk]'.'... How embarrassing to be me.
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22:59:00	dionoea	mickleby: hehe
22:59:34	petur	been there before ;)
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23:03:27	dionoea	yeah! I won a game of reversi!
23:04:13	markun	dionoea: congrats! :)
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23:04:55	Bagder	I recall there's a site on the net somewhere where you can let your computer othello game play agains other engines...
23:06:07	*	dionoea needs to port a better AI ...
23:07:22	dionoea	Bagder: btw, the builds page is still stuck
23:07:42	Bagder	oh
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23:11:44	ShadowSponge	Where ,ay I find Plugins to Browse with Artist and Title like in the Apple OS
23:12:27	petur	use database
23:12:30	*	amiconn found something interesting...
23:13:01	dionoea	you increased battery life on pp targets ?
23:13:19	amiconn	PP register 0x6000602c is set up depending on some logarithm of the cpu clock in the OF ... perhaps some kind of voltage setting?
23:15:13	petur	sounds reasonable
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23:16:49	amiconn	I need to find out what this (rather complex) logaritm function actually calculates. It has 2 arguments
23:17:22	amiconn	Perhaps I should just put it into a plugin and let it calculate values on target
23:18:02	amiconn	It almost looks like the type of log function I already implemented somewhere
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23:20:39	Bagder	the stick worked
23:20:48	dionoea	:)
23:25:16	dionoea	amiconn: so you believe that Apple lowers the CPU voltage to get longer battery life?
23:25:25	amiconn	yes
23:25:48	amiconn	Same thing as many mobile processors do: lower voltage at lower clock
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23:26:16	petur	desktop cpu's too
23:26:31	dionoea	what is that log function used for ? fix clock reads ?
23:26:42	*	petur runs his pc without cpu fan most of the time
23:27:04	amiconn	Iirc the clock -> voltage dependency is roughly logarithmic
23:27:29	petur	that would only make sense if they did moany speed points, no?
23:27:32	amiconn	Actually there is another register (0x70000034) that we don't know, and which is set with some kind of logarithm
23:27:41	petur	normally you would use a lookup table
23:27:53	dionoea	ok, so they use that to estimate what's the optimal voltage they can use given the fact that they need enough processing power to do task xyz?
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23:29:35	saratoga	strange to allow software control over voltage
23:29:49	petur	not strange at all
23:29:51	amiconn	The clock setting function has 3 arguments
23:29:57	saratoga	you'd think they'd just lock it to a given voltage for each clock speed
23:30:01	amiconn	I'm not yet sure what each of them means
23:30:28	saratoga	at least I can't think of any reason you'd want to adjust voltage without also changing the clock speed
23:31:30	petur	that's why I said that I would expect a lookup table
23:32:01	amiconn	Then you would need several tables
23:32:08	amiconn	This function has 2 arguments
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23:32:31	petur	in a bootloader at work we use a table and the constants are calculated at compile time
23:32:58	saratoga	maybe the voltage is determined by the state of various components on the SOC?
23:33:24	saratoga	that might make a lookup table too large
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23:52:12	amiconn	Haha, found the OF udelay()
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23:52:29	amiconn	PP5020 relock time is 500us, PP5022 has a relock status bit
23:52:47	saratoga	what does rockbox use now?
23:52:53	DerPapst	nice work :)
23:52:55	amiconn	2000us
23:53:13	saratoga	wow that should make boosting a bit nicer :)
23:53:14	markun	amiconn: are you reading some disassemblies?
23:53:20	amiconn	markun: yes
23:53:29	amiconn	mini g1 firmware to be precise
23:53:47	amiconn	But mini g1 and minig2 actually seem to be just different versions of the same firmware
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23:54:05	amiconn	This is nice because the g1 is PP5020 while the g2 is PP5022
23:54:18	amiconn	So I have code for both in a single disassembly
23:54:23	DerPapst	is there any way to check if a 3G iPod is build with defines? Something like #ifdef IPOD_3G
23:54:57	Llorean	Bagder: It seems one of our buildservers is GCC 3.4.5 for the iRivers, and H120 is showing some strange behaviour that may be connected to this difference?
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23:55:35	Bagder	ah, ihme.org...
23:56:01	amiconn	I am now sure about 2 arguments of the clock setting fn (just numerator and denominator for the PLL) but not yet sure about the 3rd
23:56:22	Llorean	Bagder: It may not be the cause of the joystick weirdness, but at least so far there's some correlation.
23:56:24	amiconn	It seems to have a range of 0..3, and is only used directly for PP5022, but used indirectly for both
23:56:37	Bagder	Llorean: I'll disable m68k builds on that until I can get hold of Slasheri to upgrade it
23:56:47	Llorean	Cool
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23:56:57	amiconn	There is a little magic involved in PP5020 clock setup:
23:57:23	amiconn	Set value for PLL_CONTROL, write magic value to PLL_STATUS, and set PLL_CONTROL again
23:57:40	Bagder	done
23:57:44	amiconn	This is not used for PP5022, and probably the problem we are having
23:57:49	Llorean	Bagder: Alright, hopefully that'll fix it.
23:58:10	Llorean	amiconn: So that might be the fix for the PP5020 clock scaling bug?
23:58:17	amiconn	Yes it might
23:58:22	Llorean	Great news
23:58:32	Bagder	amiconn: very cool progress at least
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23:58:44	amiconn	But I first want to find out what some_type_of_ln() does (as I called it in my comments)

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